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And the goal of U C E is to teach the easiest, most straightforward scientific techniques for meditation and psionic self mastery to the world. They provide support to give students the maximum opportunity to learn while applying the skills of self mastery. If you'd like to learn more, go to university of conscious evolution dot com. And with that, I welcome Randy Kramer to dare to dream. It is great to have you here. Thanks for having me Debbie. Yep, finally, finally. So I want to start because I love this idea of meditation and we'll dive into it a little later too. But I understand that by the age of 10, you were meditating. What caused such a young boy probably at a time when that wasn't very popular to start getting into meditation? Strangely enough, I had a weird best friend and I was a little weird as a junior high kid myself. I wasn't I mean, we were smart and smart kids can be a little weird about that age. And so he managed to find this book, which was probably about that thin that was something, some teeny little book that was probably printed out in late 1960s that was about you and your psychic powers. And it was literally in the library of our of our middle school library. He pulled it out. He was just like, dude, look at what I found. And I was just like, OK, and we just started flipping around and kind of goofing around with some of the stuff that was in there. And I mean, so basically I I probably it probably was by the time I was 12 that I started that I picked up like my first book on like meditation out of the public library in town, which was at a bigger selection of some sort of weird interesting stuff for kid my age back in, you know, circa 1982 or whatever. And it just flowed kind of naturally and it just there always seemed to be and I'm sure this comes from training that I had as a kid that I didn't fully remember where I just knew there was more if I just kept going, you know, like, oh, this is something if I can master my brain and strengthen my brain muscles, I can do some stuff with it. And so it was just a real like in your bones feeling of that, even though I didn't necessarily have a reality outside of me around me that was reinforcing that or anything. So it really was just my best friend who found this crazy book in the library. And so what kind of meditation did you start doing? What was that like? I think the first book I picked up was on Zen meditation, which is the simplest really practice of meditation as far as technique, because there's not much to it. You sit real still and you try to empty your thoughts and be one with the void, which is not a lot of instruction to be honest with you. But what I found over the years is that there's kind of a disconnect between what meditation teachers want to teach people and how they're teaching it to them. And I think the disconnect is that how they're teaching it to them is in a very, very, very old way, which is a little more right brain, which is not exactly how we work in a modern society. We have computers and machines and cars or left brains are a lot more active at this point in our evolution than they were two hundred years ago, three hundred years ago because of all the things that our left brain has to be able to keep track of in a way that you didn't necessarily have to two hundred years ago or even a hundred years ago. So the technology makes a huge difference on what's happening with the brains. And I don't think that there's a lot of good communication about what to the left brain about what's happening. And there turns out to be some dogma in some of the traditional schools when you start. Oh, yeah, like some of the traditional schools of, you know, Tibetan Buddhist meditation and some Vedic schools. You start talking about brainwave science and brainwave mastery and brainwave techniques on the go. No, you got to be more spiritual. And I always I just think that's putting the cart before the horse, trying to tell people that you have to be spiritual in order to be able to meditate. I don't think that's true.    It's just what has to happen. And usually, maybe not always, but usually that is an act that will make a person a better, more centered, more grounded person. Well, isn't that what a more spiritual person is? A more centered, grounded person. So I don't think saying, telling people you have to be spiritual or pick some kind of spiritual path in order to learn to meditate is very kind to people or going to get people to really learn how to meditate. If you tell them you have to do all of these precursor things that you don't really have to do. The science of meditation says you don't have to do any of those things in order to get people to somehow do something that's good for them. Why would you want to make so many obstacles to something that's good for people? That's just healthy for people's brains, their bodies, their emotional states. Why would you want to inhibit people from access to that? Why would you want to make it hard? Why would you want to make their hurdles that make it more difficult?  And the main thing there is regularity. Teaching meditation is easy. You want to build the strength of your mind muscles. That takes daily regularity. And that's one of the most difficult things for people to keep up with. And why we encourage students to have a program and have a schedule and, you know, we track things out over time so that there's your building habits and patterns out of something. Because it's one of the hardest things I think for people to do is to develop a healthy pattern around meditating. But I don't know why people want to make it hard. So the whole goal here from my own, my lifetime of experience of reading every book, going to every class, learning every technique that I ever could and just kind of coming to the conclusion that, OK, I get what's happening here. I get what people are trying to do on a very broken down level. There's a lot of like you're trying to do a to accomplish B to get to C. But there's just a lot of talk, a lot of words and a lot of dogma around that. And a lot of we have to do this or do this when brainwave science comes along, brainwave meditation comes along. Thanks to a gentleman by the name of Maxwell Cade and a former mentor of my named Anna Weiss, who both passed away, who started this work back in the 70s, essentially developing an EEG that checks out what your brainwaves are doing in different states of activity, meditative consciousness and so forth and found that there were ideal brainwave patterns that occur when a person meditates, when a mathematician, a genius mathematician is working a problem when a concert violinist is playing, you know, in their zone, when people are in their zone, these ideal or awakened brainwave patterns occur again and again and again and again, telling us that what's happening in your mind when we're doing anything inside your brain, that your mind is inside your brain, what's happening there is really about brainwave states. And once that was understood that it was about brainwave states, we could really just dump all this other crap that we don't need and just say, OK, this is about brainwave states. This is about going from beta states to alpha states to theta states without dropping into delta states, period. And there is a simple way to teach that. There are simple ways to teach all of the things that work around that. And you can build and stack on top of that with the basic, basic, basics of what meditation is and how to do it. It's not rocket surgery. A 12 year old can do it. A 12 year old can do it. And guys, I could do it when I was 12 and a 12 year old can do it. It's not hard. You just have to break it down into the easy parts.  And you're also finding this resonance with things, psychic, meditation and so forth. And then somewhere along your timeline of life, you suddenly start having these memory disturbances. Can you talk about that? And also, what was the recall at that time? What starts happening? So the that process, if I'm to look back at it from here all the way back, there were things that popped up from the time that I was a kid, but they were isolated instances, which I had no context for. And therefore my brain couldn't do anything other than just go with that. In hindsight, looking from a future place, I could look back and go, OK, there was probably something going on there. That was probably telling me something. So there were little hints that my own subconscious was trying to drop to me the whole time, things that was trying to let me know, things that would come up in recurring dreams and things that I had no context for, but again, made sense later. So but when but I would say that in almost immediately from the time of the return of my tour of duty, which was 17 years old, there were vivid flashes of things that would, you know, I could be in a waking moment sitting at the breakfast table in my car driving and just have the most vivid picture pop into my brain of something that was usually horrific, usually bloody bodies, you know, scattered across the ground and so forth. That kind of fun stuff, sarcastic, not fun at all. And I was I was finding myself just being very shocked when that would happen and going, wow, where's that coming from? And I'm not sure what to do with that. And but the more that I continued to meditate as a person as an individual and the closer I would get to these places in my brain, I would hit these areas which were at the same time horrifying and terrifying and at the same time, completely like drawing me to them and repulsing me from them at the same time. So then I can tell that there were these compartments of experience that were happening inside my. Because I was getting pretty familiar at what it was like to swim around in the subconscious at that point, which is also what you're really doing when you're meditating over time. You're just taking little dives and swimming around in your subconscious and there's all kinds of stuff. So I was getting pretty familiar with what memory packets felt like, what a memory area felt like. And I was like, OK, these are isolated packets of memory that I want to look at, but I can't look at. And they just are absolutely horrifying and terrifying to even think about it. And I mean like adrenaline response, like, you know, the feeling of it is just like heart pumping adrenaline, wanting to pop right out of your chest from, you know, the intense, intense adrenaline response of something that's just overwhelmingly horrifying or terrifying.   And the closer and closer I got and the farther along I got, it was really easier and easier to eliminate insanity, you know, as one of the list of options. I had this really great friend who was a psychiatrist. Passed away from Lou Gehrig's disease a number of years ago, unfortunately. And I was chatting with him and I was saying, look, I have some issues I'm going to be honest with you and I'm not 100 percent sure like what's going on. I either have some weird post-traumatic stuff that I'm not sure what to do with or, you know, something else is really wrong with my brain, given the stuff that's happening. And he was nice enough to say, all right, let's look it up. And at the time, the book was the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual number four or the DSM four. And so we popped it out and we started flipping through it. And we went through all of the symptomology for all of the disorders. And I just didn't check boxes. I just didn't check enough boxes at all for the disorders and checked like 17 out of 18 boxes on post-traumatic stress disorder. So I was like, I was nice enough to have a friend who was a psychiatric doctor who was like, well, let's look at your diagnosis and, you know, go, OK, no, you're not crazy. You check almost all the boxes for post-traumatic stress disorder. Here, I know a therapist. Maybe you should talk to her. And so it was a person who had worked with experiencers and worked with abductees. So I was able to sit with someone who wasn't going to go, that sounds crazy. And just started getting memories back at that point. And once it started, I was like, can you give us just some kind of glimpse into some of the reference points of things that you started to recall and know you had been through various scenes and various planets, people, all of that. Sure. I mean, the first and foremost thing is just, like I said, snapshots or what I would call short video snips of just horrible battle violence, just horrible battle violence. That was most of it at first. And then it was just out of context, places that I don't remember ever being in a chronological way, doing things that made no sense, using tools that made no sense because they seemed, excuse me, way too technologically advanced to be available of usage. Anything that had alien life or any sort of xenobiology, you know, I was just putting into the categories of like, wow, I have weird nightmares, but I knew that that wasn't the case. Like, you know, the closer I got and the more I just knew it was something more than that. I didn't want it to be that. There was a part of me was just like, please don't be, please don't be, please don't be, please don't be, please don't be alien, please.  And did you know, did you have any sense working with this person as these scenes are coming up in these memories that are so visceral? Did you think at any point or the person you're working with, these are past future parallel lives going on that you were calling? Was that ever on the table? It was, it was on the table up until there was a moment of recollection that was so emotionally visceral. And I'd done past life work, you know, before back in my 20s, I started that in my early 20s. So, you know, I knew the difference between feeling something that's still visceral from a past life versus something that happened in this life, which is way more visceral. So there was a moment where it was just like, oh, no, that's way too intense and way too visceral to be anything other than something that happened to me personally. And at that point, the chronology was starting to take shape. I was like, OK, I kind of remember something that happened at this point. And then later and then here and here. So it was coming in chunks that started to paint a timeline that started to make sense. Again, I didn't like it. I didn't want it. I was like, oh, please, no, not that. But it was starting to make sense. And so by that time, I was I was able to at least go, well, OK, lot logically, this is where the compass is pointing. This is where the path, the breadcrumbs are leading. I don't want that to be the case. I really hope that's not the case. But let's keep going and get all the information so we know for sure. But it was starting to look pretty apparent at what was going to. And what is it that you came to know?  What did you piece together? Oh, that I'd spent, you know, decades serving as a soldier for United States Marine Corps Special Section and the Earth Defense Force, which is covert military space program military operations for global earth and solar defense.  So it was a shock in some ways. I mean, I was prepared because of the trail of events.   And and I was just very shocked that to just kind of have to try and absorb all of that. But it was that was after enough chunks of memory that really made it very, very clear of what was going on and what had happened that I could I could finally go, well, all right, I can't just no way I can deny this no matter how it are. Well, your parents aware. Did you did your parents know at all what about your training? No. No, not at all. No, no, it's it's a completely covert experience as far as they come into your room at night, take the kids out, bring them back later. They can we call it trace amounts of time travel or use so that you return someone a few minutes after they left so that it doesn't seem like they ever went. Using wormhole jump gate technology to get in and out of places. When I was super, super young back in the early 70s before they had the jump gate technology, they would actually drive around in white vans and put everybody to sleep with a delta emitter, walk into the house, don't pick you up to the van. The van will take you to a shuttle. The shuttle would take you was it was way more crazy. It sounds a little bit like that TV show Squid Game. If you saw it on Netflix, I have not. It was good. I have not seen it's different. Of course, they take them in a white. They put them to sleep, take them in a white van, but they take them to an island to play this murderous game. But kind of the same, you went to another planet.  Are you still? Oh, yeah, no, I'm active duty officer of the United States Marine Corps Special Section. I'm the official public relations officer and spokesperson for the command staff of the United States Marine Corps Special Section. Beautiful. And so what I want also to establish here is it is a federal offense for you in your position to lie, right? A list of them. Yeah, impersonating an officer is felony lying about duty stations, medals, award certificates as a felony, defrauding the public, which is, you know, making claims and, you know, having people pay me any money for a consultation or a class would be considered to me using that to commit fraud. Oh, no, there's a list of felonies that it would be if that were true. So speaking, you are you are speaking the truth. You are true. Oh, yeah. Well, here's what let me finish what I have said many, many times over the years. I have told any person I say, look, you think I'm committing fraud. Here's what you do. Pick up the phone. You call the FBI and report my house. And so I have encouraged anybody who thinks I'm committing fraud.  And I would love for them to pick up the phone and call me and talk to me. Haven't heard from them. No, no, and if and if that were true, if I if they people have made complaints and I know they have, I know they have. And the FBI were to investigate that and conclude that I was in fact committing fraud. I would have gotten a letter by now. My lawyers have said I would get a cease and a letter that says that I have to show proof for cease and desist, which then my attorney is writes the letter back and says, wait, we'd love a hearing. We'd love to show proof, but we want a hearing. And then they go, we don't want to give you hearing. So that's why that process is never going to happen, because no, they don't want me to have a hearing. They would rather just have plausible deniability and then just go, oh, that guy, whatever, and then we'll get right on that. And then I but if I were committing crimes, I've been doing this for over 10 years. I would have heard from now. I would have gotten a letter, would have gotten a phone call, something. And I have not. So yeah, you've been on TV. I that's I've seen your interview. So I know you've been around magazines, many shows. I and so you talked about a life you would live to a certain point and then go back and live. And what would that establish for you today? What age are you in 3D right now and what age are you actually? This body, what I'm touching right here isn't my original. It's not the first one.  So they give you new ones and transfer your consciousness or whatever. So this is not my first body. This body is 52. I, my chronological age, the chronological memory of age that I have from birth to this moment right now is 96 years. So there's a tour time. There's a training period time that all adds up to that, but it's 96 years. And why did you bridge the gap from being in the Marine Corps and all your experiences to now establishing an online university? How did that come about? My breeder general and I have had many discussions about what kind of things that I should talk about that are helpful to talk about. We have this. I mean, he doesn't tell me what to say. We just have conversations about it. And many years ago, he asked me, what do you think is the most important thing that people need to learn or know? And I was like, psionics. And he was like, OK, teach that. And I was like, what? And he was like, no, I teach a class from the manual or something. Go ahead. And I was like, what? I was I was honestly shocked that it was response. He was just like, yeah, I teach a class, get some civilians together. Good.  And then COVID happened. And so that was not going to happen for a minute. And I was like, well, someone really was just like, dude, you don't learn course. And I was like, OK. And so it really just turned into an online course out of, you know, sort of necessity of the inability to do in-person classes that was going to be for a minute and do them online. And so it was a journey of just like people need to know psionics. People need to understand this stuff. My what my experience has been talking to people, even experienced meditators, people who have some kind of a practice is when people have problems, they're having issues, they're having hurdles or blocks or obstacles. More than anything, my answers are always basics and fundamentals, basics and fundamentals, basics and fundamentals, basics and fundamentals. So I feel like there's a real lack of basics and fundamentals. I love it. And I just want folks, in case they don't know what psionics means, it's the practical use of psychic powers or paranormal phenomena, such as psionic communication. So if that is so, then, Randy, what for you is psionic development? Oh, so the very, very act of daily meditation does something to your brain and to your mind that I do this little muscle building gesture, it is literally like curls for your brain. It's curls for your mind and the more that you do it. And there are also developmental skill disciplines, if you will, for certain specific abilities, like precognition, dowsing, remote viewing, telekinesis, which are the four that I teach in the advanced course that are like double weights when you do those exercises, when you work those disciplines, but just the act of meditating every day and doing a practice is like curls for your brain and for your mind. And so what it does over time, again, this is consistency. It will make you smarter. It will make your ability to perceive spatial mathematics, spatial geometry increase. It will increase the speed at which your brain can process information. It will increase the ability for your conscious brain to communicate with your subconscious brain, which is where all the stuff is in your subconscious brain. So the act of the mind communicating with the conscious and the subconscious brain, that's really where self mastery comes in. Because when. So let's just say your conscious brain is going to be general about anybody and everybody. And we're going to say, let's say your IQ is 120, which is above average, hundreds of average. This is a sad fact for people who don't know this. 100 is average, means half the population is under 100. Scary. And the other half is over 100, right? Also kind of scary. So but let's just say because everyone listening to you is above average that you have a 120 IQ, that's in your conscious brain.  So the very act of connecting your conscious and subconscious brains doesn't just make you like smarter.  It makes the capacity for what your mind can do at any given moment bigger. These are things that are what really drive personal human evolution is the mind, is development of the mind and the brain. And it is these tools and skills that you do these little curls with. And then eventually, which depending on the person and the practice level of experience, age, you start to see manifestation of psionic ability that just starts to happen, just starts to happen because you're building the muscles that can make the outputs happen. I know you said that was psionic said every thought, every fear, every anxiety is what exactly? Energy, psionic is psionic energy, psionic outputs. Every thought, first law of psionics is that every thought produced, all thought produces psionic energy. So which we in the lab, when we're registering and dealing with psionics, we register them in something called science per second, which is a form of work for anybody who's physics people out there. So it's, you know, force over time. So but we call it science per second. And there's kind of this threshold for most abilities to happen where you have to be above 10, 15, 20, science per second for them to occur. So let's just say this is a threshold of 15, science per second. Most people, you know, are they're going up and down all the time. And maybe you get over that thing for a moment and something happens. You go, Oh, I did something. And but then you just kind of drop right back into sort of a 13 or a 12 science per second. And then you think, Oh, I can't do it anymore. Of course, you can do it. It's just about getting those outputs so that they're over threshold. And it is that daily practice, daily diligence that builds the brain muscle, builds the mind muscle so that those science per second, you break the thresholds and then just stuff just starts to happen. And what about using psionics for self defense or for attacks? How would one do that? We have a section on psionic self defense. Certainly there are ways in which many ways in which a person creates shielding around themselves and can maybe do tricky things like affect probability around themselves as a form of defense. So there's lots of little tricks that you can do other than just basic shielding. I do not teach my students psionic attack because they can be very dangerous. And I'm not going to teach people how to do that. But I will tell you this. Anyone who wants to do the curriculum and go through the beginning course and go through the advanced course, they'll figure it out if that's what they want to learn how to do. You'll figure it out. Yeah. I know you also talk about dream walking. Oh, yeah. Have you successfully yourself dream walked? And if so, can you talk us through the experience or experiences? Oh, that's one of my best skills. Yeah, dream walking turns out to be one of my best skills. So dream walking is really just the ability to decide whose dream you want to walk in. So I can walk right out of mine and walk right into somebody else's and then just wander around, see what's going on. Or maybe get up to some shenanigans. But, you know, I don't want to tell too many stories. But yeah, one is for you. It's a very lucid experience. You're completely aware and you can direct and control where you're going, what's going to happen or what you're not going to do. You know, I understand you take a lot of caution to a degree. Yeah, to a degree. I mean, you're really at that point kind of wrestling with the psionic output of the mind of the person. So a weak minded person is easy to go in and like just make them dream whatever you want to make them dream or do whatever. But someone with a stronger mind can be much more difficult to penetrate and difficult to get around there and do stuff.   I'd be like, no, no, no, not my dreams. But so someone who is really tough could do that, kick me out of their dreams. But I try not to be mean and obtrusive, you know, if I'm checking stuff out. I try to keep it to Intel gathering for the most part. Just fascinating, because it's all down there. Everybody's thoughts are down in the subconscious. You want to do Intel gathering on someone? I'm telling you, there's nothing like walking through a dream to figure out what's going on. I got to ask you so because that's like beyond remote viewing. Does the government use this dream walking? There are some psionic specialists who are skilled at it. Yeah, I mean, I learned it through a government program. So OK, military program. Got it. Well, if I see you. No, no, no. Make it good. No, no, I will not promise. I will not be coming to your dreams. I promise. OK, deal. Can you share usable tips, self healing, self mastery? Can you tell the audience some usable tips that they can incorporate for self healing and self mastery? Yeah, I mean, I think that there's there's steps that have if I were teaching a student that there are some steps that I would probably say, you're going to start here. You're going to go there and so forth, but we'll skip steps for a second and I'll just throw out some info. So the have you have you happened to seeing the water crystal books by Dr. Imodo? Absolutely. Yes. OK, most of the people have by now, but they've been around. It's been a while. So sometimes when I mentioned that, OK, so we know scientifically through double and triple bind studies from Dr. Imodo's work that the mind has the ability to change the shape of water crystals, right? So we know that on a very tiny, tiny level, the brain, the mind has the ability to affect matter, especially water, for some reason. And there's some reasons that I can explain about that is because it's soft, right? That has a lot to do with it. Water is soft, molecularly. So the ability to move it, shift it and change it is easier than trying to move or shift a piece of lead. But to be honest, moving the subatomic molecules in a piece of lead and in water are the same. This one's just a lot harder. These are molecules are stuck together. They're way more viscous. They're way more solid and making the move is going to be more difficult. But in something like water, which is already a fluid, is much easier. So we know that that's a thing, right? So your body is mostly water, right? So talking to your body's water to tell because your cells are water, right? You're not just talking to the water around your cells. You're talking to the water that's in your cells. So you're talking to everything. So talking to the water in your body is a way of communicating to all the cells in your body in a way that they really listen. Right? Now I'm going to throw in an extra additive for that one. So when people talk about their DNA and wanting to change their DNA through a meditative actor, through metaphysical practice of some kind, most people don't know how to do that. Most of the practices that people are doing to do that are probably not going to work. But I can give you this much of a tip. The way to understand how to change your own genetics is to understand that DNA is fluids of different and varying viscosity and being that they are fluids of varying and different viscosity, not solid matter. They are not solid matter. Your DNA is not solid. It's a liquid. It's a liquid. DNA is liquid, but not a flowing liquid like water is. It's a it's a it's a stable liquids. Right? The TGACs are a stable liquid of biological material. So it's fluids of different and varying viscosities. So once you understand how you can move water and change water and affect water in your body, it's just one more that will skip to genetics because your genetics are also water of varying and different viscosities. There you go. There's a freebie. Amazing tip, by the way. Um, oh, OK. I know there's some people that can do something with that. So yeah. OK, and you teach us also in the course. I the beginning course, I don't think this is a topic I've covered or that we're covering in the beginning course. The advanced course, absolutely. It's like the wizard course. Just make a quick distinction here. Yeah, the beginning course is what we feel are the essential tools to start with, right? So it's basic meditation. It's a general understanding of what you're. We don't call them chakras. We call them psionic foci, which are psionic foci are doing, how they operate, what is important about them and balancing them in your meditative backs, psionic self-defense, manifesting and a few other fun stuff. The advanced course is advanced. And we cover mark of a training, some more complicated things about field programming, how different ways in which your mental, emotional, psionic personality affect development and how you have to sort of understand those things is kind of a tripod of development, as well as actual, practical, but more advanced psionic self-defense than what we're going to teach in the basic course, the beginning course has basic psionic self-defense, more advanced psionic self-defense for the advanced course. And then we cover four disciplines for the development of four specific psionic skills, and that's dowsing skill, remote viewing skill, precognition skill and telekinesis. OK, amazing. So I teach students how to build a TK trainer, telekinesis trainer, and what the basic technique for making a very tiny object in a near frictionless environment is, and I've had students replicate it, that the only thing disappointing, I'm going to admit, the only thing disappointing about teaching telekinesis in the online course is I'm not having a hundred percent success with students that I did in the physical course. When I taught this in person in a classroom where I could walk around with every person, every single person in the class could replicate the technique. I could teach every single person in those classes how to do telekinesis on a very tiny object in a near frictionless environment. So maybe when the when the university really takes off, you can start doing in-person retreats. We're talking about all kinds of things. And what I'm based on sort of how the beta went last year, I think what we're going to have to do is just have a clinic, kind of a clinic on it where we get students can say, OK, let's really specifically work on, you know, what what people aren't getting in order to make it move. And there's a mental block for most people.  And so and anyway, there's a way in an in-person class, especially because of the demonstration, talk about it, demonstrate the technique, show everybody that they could do it and then just get each person to replicate the technique. And I'm only a little disappointed that I haven't hit 100 percent at being able to get students to replicate that technique in the online course, but some students have. So nobody else in the world is teaching you telekinesis. So take their course otherwise, if you want to. But if you want to move stuff with your mind, take our course. Cool. You also teach self healing for emotional wounds, which is. Oh, yeah, that's Kendra's course. Give us some examples. Have you used it on your life? Have you used it on people you've worked with who have healed traumas or wounds? How does that? What does that look like? How does that manifest? That's actually kind of your question. The emotional healing course is her course and it's really her baby. Kendra must be behind the camera somewhere. Yeah. Do you want to try to answer that question? Oh, she's like, you didn't hear the question. Go ahead. Can you repeat the question real quicker? Yes, absolutely. I understand that you also teach self healing. I'm speaking loud like she's a million miles away. I understand you teach it's just a brief question. Hey, nice to finally meet you. You teach self healing for emotional wounds. I'm asking for examples from your lives. If you've healed any emotional wounds or people you've worked with or you teach who have healed traumas or wounds, emotional wounds, what does that look like? How does it manifest going to take? Oh, absolutely. It manifests on so many different levels because so many different people have just different levels of trauma in their life, you know? And if we have stagnant trauma from something minor from when we were little or something major, that'll manifest over time in a lot of different ways. So some of my great success stories are, you know, women that were in abusive situations that came out and they're free and clear and making tons of money and supporting their families and stuff like that. So and your university in general, like how long is the entire course or how long is each segment? How does that work? That's a thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, sweetheart. So we've. Again, learning lessons from the beta run that we did last year. We're attempting to make this very navigable. So we've broken things. No, excuse me, into tiny bits so that when you're going, when a student is going back and looking, OK, wait, wait, what was that part about on the second foci? Instead of having to try and sift through a 20 minute lecture on the subject, the topic is broken up, the whole lecture is broken up into lots of little video segments so that it's very navigable and goes through a kind of what we consider that here's where you should start and work this part and then this part and then this part and then go all the way forward. So I think we've got a little over 30, I think videos for the basic course we've calculated about 33 or 34 for the advanced course and they're anywhere from a couple minutes to five or six minutes long or and the guided meditations, which are longer, obviously, the five or six minutes, the one I did the other day was about 20 minutes long for that one.  You don't have to know how to build a bicycle to ride a bicycle. And so this is really a how to course more than anything. So I cut down a lot of the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah that I did in the older course in order to just say this is the simplest bit of information you need to get on the bicycle, start peddling. And because it is the act of doing that will really get people to understand why it's important to do or why you should want to do it or why it's good for you. Like I can talk about it all day long and a person can sit there and go, oh, that's cool or like your experience of it. You sit down, meditate for a month. And then if you come back and go, I haven't learned anything and I haven't developed at all and I don't feel smarter or stronger in any way. I'm like, well, then maybe you're doing it wrong. But pretty much everyone else, if they do it consistently, we'll come back and go, wow, I feel better. This is happening in my life. I have this much awareness about this. I must react to this. I don't get angry at my kids anymore. Like all these things start to happen and change. So it is the act of doing it that will convince people. This is why this is good for you. And I don't benefit from people learning to meditate. I just want them to learn how so that it benefits. Well, you do.  So sure, sure, sure. It's so worth it.  Kind of talk, if you will, universal everything. Sure. Do you know of a specific ET advanced technologies that earth humanity, earth slash humanity would benefit from? What kind of technology are you willing to disclose here? Well, I mean, we need all the technology to be honest with you. So I mean, we can talk about. I mean, medical technology, you know, I've discussed holographic medical bed technology before. There's no rush, unfortunately, on that being developed at this point. We've spent wasted 10 years talking to people with venture capital to try and do anything with it. And we're just not going to make the money that way to work the project. I think we're more likely to see these technologies come in daring or post alien invasion, which is coming up. And that's probably what's going to happen sooner than anything else. But in our life, what's that in our lifetime? Oh, yeah. Super soon. We're at the World War Three phase alien invasion phases next. Oh, I'm sorry. Let me go back a second. So in December of 2019, at the beginning of the pandemic, I said, here's what's going to happen. We're about to enter the pandemic. Oh, yeah, I nailed it. I researched you said before it happened. It was going to happen that pandemic phase, civil disruption phase, World War Three phase, alien invasion phase. And may I ask you because only one left? Yes, I have so many sources who talk about the contact that's about to happen very much in the time frame you're talking about. But they never use the word invasion. They're very clear to talk about the benevolent beings who've been watching after us and probably keeping us pretty much alive for a long time that will be making the contact. Are you saying something contrary to that? I'm saying that's wishful thinking. And if people want to have wishful thinking, they're welcome to it. But we understand that there has been a planned process for this for some time, which is really based around inevitability. And I realize there's some confusion when I talk about this and people think, oh, it's a false flag, it's a fake invasion, I'm sorry, fake alien invasion. No, this is a series of inevitability that are coming to a loggerhead and they are going to fight like hell for control and domination of the planet that we live on. This is mostly because Nazis are going to not see and we didn't get rid of them at the end of World War Two and they're coming back for another run at the fourth rite and they're going to make sure that we get this whole thing brought in with an invading force and a disclosure event that is just going to be a trouble. I'll tell you that right now because I'm Jewish. So it's going to be good news for me. Let me tell you this, Nazis aren't good news for anybody. They're bad for everybody. And let's just make that as clear as possible. And Nazis bad, Nazis always bad.  And we've watched these things come closer and closer. And there's a collision point that we're in, we're in that collision point. And as all of these things come and collide in this collision point, there are certain inevitabilities. And I mean, look, as I will say as much as anybody else, I'd love for this to go nice and peaceful, like that'd be great. I'm not against that. I'm not saying I want and prefer there to be an invasion scenario. I'm saying that as near as we understand, this is not going to happen peacefully. It's not going to happen peacefully. And I will also say this about our intergalactic neighbors and friends. They're wonderful people and they are helping. But this is not their home. This is not their planet. This is not their house. So they don't get to decide what's happening here. They don't get to tell us what to do. They don't get to decide who's going to do what. They don't get to come down and tell us who's going to fight who or who's not going to fight who or who they don't get to tell us how this is happening. We're deciding how this is happening. Terrence are deciding how this is happening. And fortunately or unfortunately, there are some Terrence who are Nazi assholes that want to have it out. And the rest of us kind of feel like it's long overdue to finally have it out with and say, OK, let's just finally have it out once and for all. And winter take all. And the survivor will murder the rest of the other side so that it's not a problem anymore. And do you feel, Randy, on the E.T. Human Terrestrial Affairs, that there is a future in store for us of a planet with open borders, with trade to the intergalactic community? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Post-invasion, we go into the. So when I do the stages, one, two, three, four, pandemic stage, civil disruption phase, world growth, three phase, alien invasion phase, there's a fifth phase. Fifth phase is the reconstruction phase. The reconstruction phase is why we have to do all of this the other way. Because if we don't get to the reconstruction phase, we will not fix the problems and we're all going to die. Not going to be enough air to breathe, not going to be enough water. All the forests are going to burn up. We're all going to die if we don't fix the problems.   When you were on Mars at one point in one of your missions, you battled the reptilians. I've actually been called out once making a blanket statement about reptilians as though they're bad, the bad guys. And somebody said, no, you know, that race, there's good, bad, etc. Oh, yeah, it's it's speciesist. Exactly, it's speciesism. Yeah. And were you were you dealing with Martian reptilians and did you ever get to know any or did you just battle them? Oh, yeah, the native indigenous reptoids are real nice. Well, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that. The ones that I got to meet and hang out with, we developed a trusting relationship and I think they're real nice. But some of the other they were pretty clear that some, especially the southern tribes are pretty rough and you're probably not going to make friends with them and they're probably just going to eat you. So they're kind of they can they have kind of a rough culture as far as what life and death means and whether, you know, you get to come anywhere near their space and live because you crossed over a rock line.  They're not. I mean, they're not like they're not mean spirited by any means in my experience. They're they're they're quite kind hearted. They just have a very, very fierce attitude about boundaries. So they're pretty cool. The draconians did attempt an invasion while we were there. That's a whole story. They're a different in reptoid species from somewhere very far away. They look real different. They act real different. They behave real different. I hate them very much and we killed them whenever possible. But that's I mean, two completely different examples of a developed species that just happened to be reptiles. So yeah, it's speciesism to say that reptiles are bad. They're not have an indigenous reptoid species here on the planet. That's subterranean. They're also what I would say kind hearted with pretty fierce boundaries. You know, so I wouldn't say that they're mean spirited or awful in any way, shape or form. But a lot of people might find them cold and impersonal. But I mean, I think that they're just they have a very specific way of doing things and they have agendas about bigger pictures and things and are concerned about the well being of the planet for millennia down before. So and then there's the insectoid manta, wow, these words. Insectoid mantid civilizations. Yeah. And so are these typically always the doctors, the healers? What was your experience with them? No, not at all. I mean, they again, insectoids have a very wide range of expression that they can find for their culture and for their species and for their civilization. They can. I mean, you try and put it this way. So. I've met more than one insectoid species that I would say, even when we say mantids, I don't think they look anything like a praying mantis. And I think culturally, socially, they're way more like ants than they are. Like mantises, mantises are a very solitary insect. These are collective hive insects, it's much more like ants or termites, but more like ants, to be honest with you, as far as they're sort of being productive and sort of industrious. So to me, they're more like an evolution of an ant species. So an evolution of, let's say, a wasp species wasps are assholes, right?  So I've met, you know, an advanced, developed wasp species. They're assholes.  So that's a completely different expression, but they're also being devolved from two completely different kinds of insects. Yeah, it's fascinating. You know, when you were in the, well, you still are, but this portion of your life, the USM CSS, this covert, unacknowledged special access program, it was signed into law as a legal and covert branch of the US military in 1953 by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and he mandated a code to meet the ex of political questions of extraterrestrial biological entities and extraterrestrial vehicles. And then I'm just wondering what it was like for you. Was it a full circle? Because I know that you were interviewed by his great granddaughter, who's been on this show before, Laura Eisenhower. What was that like for you? Um, I mean, there was a little like a kind of a weird, circly thing there. Yeah. I mean, I it's I mean, it's it's a it's a weird thing because not just I mean, not just my military career, but pretty much my very biological existence wouldn't exist if that hadn't happened. So in some very weird way, you know, I sort of have Dwight Eisenhower personally to thank for the fact that I even exist and then I'm alive in any way, shape or form. So that's a little weird. But you know, it's it's it's just more interesting to me how one person's decision can just impact so much later in life. I think there's anything that makes me think that I should always be careful and thoughtful with my decisions, because I never know when one is going to have a long lasting impact. Yeah, because you're not the only person, right? There are other men and women and you are predicament. Oh, the same thing. Yeah, lots. So I yeah, definitely being able to talk about it over the years. If there's one thing that I feel probably. The most like I can pat myself on the back for its people who have come forward, who have had memory repression issues, we've been able to there's a whole protocol that we have that we can help sort people out and getting people back on track whose lives are just a dumpster fire because of sort of the state that they're left in and being able to do some very specific, no protocol techniques, get into the brain and tinker with some stuff and get people back on track. That's incredibly satisfying feeling to know that I turn a person's life around by just being able to go get this way. Oh, OK. And that's very satisfying for sure, because those people's lives are a mess. My life was a mess, too, when I was in that state. So I understand what kind of a mess it's like to be in. And it's very satisfying to be able to help turn someone out of that mess into something better and productive for themselves. My last space question for you is what were the conditions like in space for you? What were the conditions like for you on Mars? Depends. Really, to be honest, as a military soldier, my rank and position had a lot to do with sort of the situation that I was in in the general sort of either stress, comfort or lack of, you know, was present. So when I was a private, you know, I had to bunk with a room full of people with no privacy and it was hard every day and we were grinding out of the desert every day and it was brutal and it was awful. Later on in my career, by the time I was a pilot, the officer had my own room. So, you know, I'm on quarters and I had a few more perks and got to drink at the bar and stuff like that. I mean, so there were times later in the career when I felt pretty cushy, to be honest, compared to the earlier parts. But the earlier parts were just rough, just rough and tough and brutal. Well, thank you. I'm so grateful you came on and we're here at the end, Randy. What are you next year to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? Oh, we're thinking real big about what we want to do with this course. And there's a whole future set of projects that we have planned that is really about expanding reach and accessibility to people and getting reaching more and more and more and more and more people. So I'm not going to give away what all our ideas are. But we plan to do this on a large scale as we move forward and reaching lots of people. So my goal here, our goal is to make meditation and self-mastering development accessible to as many people as possible, everybody if possible. So. Beautiful. Well, thank you. It's been a pleasure. I've really enjoyed that. Can I throw one more thing at you? I'm going to throw you a coupon code so anybody who's watching your show, if they want to go to our website and sign up for a class, they can get like 15 percent off on a tuition. So let's call it SpaceDeb. We'll call it SpaceDeb. We'll make a coupon code called SpaceDeb since yellow space back there. And then anyone who's listening, you can post that or whatever for people. And then they can get a coupon code to get a break. That is so generous. Beautiful. So folks, if you're interested in his online university, in these courses, go to UniversityOfConsciousEvolution.com. You want to use SpaceDeb as in Debbie, Space-D-E-B for your 15 percent off. And I end today's show with this quote from Demi Lovato. I believe in aliens. I think it would be way too selfish of us as mankind to believe we are the only life forms in the universe. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation. Weekly Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger. If you're listening on a podcast and you want to see us, please go to YouTube.com slash Debbie Daschinger and check us out there. Next week on the show, Vita Kulhoff is coming to us. Her fourth, fifth, sixth time, something like that on the show. She channels Arjun of the Yael. And we're going to be discussing global news and learning from Arjun about his planet, his role and his relationships with his people. I promise you, as always, through Vita and Arjun, it's lots of wisdom. Thank you so much for joining us today on the show. And remember, don't just dare to dream, dare to make all your psionic dreams come true.


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Today, our children need men and women of faith who will love, encourage, and protect them. Nicknamed Smiling Bob, singer-songwriter Bobby Marquez is reaching crowds far and wide on radio, television, and tours across the United States, Australia, and Ireland, earning Grammy nominations, CMA, a Texas award, and many top 10 on music charts. While on the road one evening, he received a call from his wife that would test his faith. At the age of 40, Bobby was told a secret. He was adopted. This is his story. This is today's Nashville. This is faith. Bobby, I am so excited to sit down with you. What a beautiful day in Nashville. It is. It's beautiful. Well, thank you for inviting me here. Oh, you're welcome. Absolutely. Thank you for coming out. I saw on social media that I follow you and you were all over the place. You just got in last night from a tour. I did. I had my tip of the hat tour. We toured up to Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, and it's just a great tour, you know, to get up there and meet new fans and stuff, but yeah, it was a lot of driving. How long were you on the road for? I was on the road for probably two weeks, about a good two weeks. Yeah. Are you glad to be back? I'm glad to be back for at least for a little while while I go back out in a few more weeks. We'll head back out. So tell me about you. Yeah. You know, absolutely. I grew up in a small little town, a little town called Freer, Texas, that's F-R-E-E-R, which is south of San Antonio, Texas. I grew up there my whole life. I was born and raised in Texas. You know, I didn't really get into music to probably, I was probably about 13 years old, and I got a good story for you too. So I had a cousin of mine who we used to, I used to go with her all the time, and we just, you know, throw the football around, play baseball, stuff like that. He had this little Martin Marquise guitar, I mean it was just like one of the small little ones you can get, you know, for a couple dollars or whatever.  And he's sitting there, sitting there, he was getting really angry and getting mad, you know? And I said, what's wrong? He goes, I can't play this thing, and I'm just going to throw it away. And I said, I was like, really? You're going to throw it away? He said, yeah. He actually went and he got the guitar, and he went and threw in the trash can. And I was like, okay, this is kind of weird. So when I left his house, I said, his name was Mark. And I said, Mark, I said, do you mind if I take the guitar, I keep it? He says, I don't care. You do whatever you want with it. I said, okay. So when I went and I grabbed the guitar, I took it home. And I just started playing, like, to all the songs that were on the radio, and I didn't even know how to play the acoustic guitar, okay? So I had this little chord booklet, you know, that I had for my brother, because my brother played a little bit of guitar.  I would sit there by the radio and just play everything from guys from Johnny Cash to George Jones and everything.  And then one day, my mom walked in and she goes, what are you doing? And I said, I was just playing guitar and she was asking me where I got the guitar, you know, and I told her.  And I said, no, I don't. I don't sing at all. And she's like, well, no, you sound good because I heard you. And I was like, no, I don't sing. So that's how it all kind of started. Now, how old were you? I was 13 years old, 13 years old when that happened.  I just got to started writing songs and until my mom told me, she said one day, and then all of a sudden I got, I was like, oh, I don't know if I want to do this.  I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, I don't know if that's going to happen in front of everybody.  So I did that. I finally got the nerve up to do it. And I did it. And all of a sudden I was like, you know, people were pat me in the back going, God, you sound great. And I was like, hey, this is kind of cool. You know, I'm looking around going, wow, this is neat. And then I just kind of started playing from there, you know. So tell me about the guitar though, were you playing with the same guitar or did you get a new one? No, I actually, I had the guitar for many, many years and I still have it. You do? I still have it today. But that was a guitar that I had wrote like about 10, 15 songs, my first song that I wrote. You still have your songs? I do. Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah, so I mean, you know, I don't know, it was just quite an experience because at that point I just fell in love with music, you know, and growing up in high school when I got into high school, well, I guess my whole life, I was always a baseball player. I loved playing baseball since I was in the Pee Wee League, the Little League, to senior league all the way to high school. Wended up winning the state championship in high school. And I was really good. I was really good baseball player and I had a lot of offers to go play major league baseball. What position? I kind of played everything. I played like catcher, pitcher, second base, outfield, pretty much like everything. But I had a lot of offers come in, you know, when I got out of high school. And so I had to choose because really baseball was actually really my first love. And it just came natural to me more than singing did. I don't know, after all those years, I had to sit there before I went to college. I had to pick and choose. I mean, was I going to play baseball or was I going to turn my music into a career? And that was really hard. I had to sit down and my mom was a very religious lady.  She was a devout Baptist. You know, we grew up Southern Baptist. But she was always a devout Christian and she always taught us, you know, what was right, what was wrong. I don't know. I just, you know, I started singing too in the choir, you know, at church. And I just kind of fell in love with the music thing more than I did baseball after a while, you know. And so I had to pick and choose and I chose music. And at that point when I was in college, where'd you go to school? I went to UTSA. The University of Texas at San Antonio is where I went, you know. I started a band. I got a band together called it was Bobby Marquez and the out of the shoot band was where I had actually was it was actually the hired hands was the first band. And then my second band was the out of the shoot band. And I just kind of started playing, you know, and we would do all kinds of parties and weddings and just all kinds of stuff. And then, you know, I just kind of made it into a career until all of a sudden, everybody's telling me, why don't you go to Nashville? You know, how old were you then? Oh, gosh, I was probably. I don't know, maybe 22, 21, 21, 22 years old when that happened.  And I was like, well, yeah, you know, I guess we could probably, but I was scared to death because I didn't know anybody. I hadn't been out of the state of Texas my whole life.  But when I came to Nashville, how'd you get here? Oh, gosh, OK, it's a it's a funny it's a funny story because I had this little Corsica, it was a Corsica Chevrolet and my dad had got it for me and it was a used car and I was I was driving that, you know, when I was in college and stuff and that that's what got me here. But the funny story was I got all the way to California. I got all the way to Jackson, Tennessee and it broke down. I broke down on there. Forget I had to stay at a hotel that night and I was like, this is not going good. I'm like here I am coming to Nashville and I've already broken down. I don't have hardly any money. I'm staying with a friend of mine who was a drummer up here in Nashville and we're living on the bad side of town, you know, just to try to be a singer and a musician. And I'm like, wow, this is this is crazy. But, you know, it all worked out after a while. And, you know, until I started meeting more songwriters and friends and stuff and started trying to get more to the business, you know. Well, I tell you, Nashville is the place to be and but when you got here and we're going to talk about this when we come back, your life changed dramatically in the music. And then you're finding out who you really were. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And we're going to talk about it when we get back. Bobby, you were talking earlier that your mom was very dedicated to the church and you were in church every Sunday, every Wednesday. You took a leap of faith, moved to Nashville. How did your faith at that point pull you into Nashville and starting your music career? It's funny because I always carried a Bible with me all my whole life. My mom had given it to me and she had written all kinds of little things in it, you know, just for me to read every day. And when I got to Nashville, gosh, like I said, I didn't know anybody. I mean, there was nobody. The only person I knew was the drummer that I moved in with. So I came basically here not knowing anybody. But after a while, once I started meeting people and everything, you know. But I'll never forget it because there was one night where I was having a hard time, you know, trying to meet people. And I just, I just sat there by my bed and I just prayed and I said, I said, God, if this is what you want me to do, show me the way. Because I didn't know if this was, if I chose the wrong path, if it was baseball that I should have gone with or if it was music that I should have gone with. And I'll never forget that night. I just said, God, just show me the way. And all of a sudden it was like the doors just went wide open. And I started meeting people. I started doing songwriters nights with different songwriters and just meeting, you know, different musicians. And then all of a sudden one night I was playing the Bluebird Cafe and I had a cousin of mine who was a big rep over at CSAC. You know, they do all the licensing for music. And he became my manager. And he had set up this little showcase thing for me at the Bluebird Cafe. I'll never forget it. And so I had a couple of my guys from Texas that had played with me in my band. They came up and backed me. And that night changed my whole life. I had a guy from Arista Records had come up to me and offered me a record deal that night right after that. And I thought, this can't be true. You know, I just kept thinking, this can't be true. This is not real. And sure enough, I mean, the next few weeks my manager had called him. And all of a sudden I was in the studio recording with the great Jerry Crutchfield who produced everybody from Tanya Tucker to Shenandoah to Lee Greenwood, everybody. And I'm sitting there and I'm going, gosh, this can't be happening. You know what I'm saying? He's good. It was just like, God had just opened up the doors. And everything was going so fast. And I was in the studio recording some of my own songs. And we got to the point to where I had recorded six sides with Arista Records. And then all of a sudden it was like everything just kind of stopped. And they ended up not wanting to put a record out on me. They didn't want to finish the rest of the album. All we needed was four songs to finish it. And they just kind of sat there. And then all of a sudden it just kind of died. And all of a sudden they didn't put the record out. And I was just sitting there going, wow, everything started so fast. And now everything's kind of starting to curve. What were you thinking?  And all of a sudden everything was so easy. And then all of a sudden now it's hard. And I didn't know what to do. I was just kind of like, wow, is this the way things go? Is this what? But, you know, I was kind of happy that it didn't because I think God knew, even though he opened the door, I think he knew that I wasn't ready and prepared. I think I was a little bit too young and immature to handle everything. I don't think I could have gone on the road for 300 dates the way everything was handling like that. I think I needed to kind of mature a little bit. And I think God knew that I needed to kind of mature a little bit. So I think he just kind of put the halt on everything right then and there and just said, you know what? This is going a little bit too fast for you. Let's end it now. And he did. And then later I got another opportunity. You know, after a couple more years, I ended up signing with Sony Music Nashville and we had a showcase and everything. And they ended up signing me. And I was like, wow, we're back. You know, this is good, right? This is good. And I'm prepared this time. I'm all ready. So it took a couple years.  And I feel like I was ready as a person to go ahead and start doing this. And then all of a sudden I go the next day and I'm looking through the paper, through the Tennessee and and Sony Nashville merged with RCA Records. And they got rid of everybody on Sony Nashville, including me. And so I was like, here we go again. I was like, wow, this is this is everything opened up. And then all of a sudden here's the whole house again. So I didn't know what to do. Did you question God? I did. You know, I did because when I left to come to Nashville, I had actually, I could feel that God wanted me here. And I didn't know why I didn't know how what I was going to do. I don't know if I was going to be a songwriter. I didn't know if it was going to be me being a singer or if it was going to be eventually lead to something maybe later in my life. I don't know. I mean, but I just knew I needed to be here. But when that happened again, I was like, okay, God, I'm like, this is not funny anymore. I'm like, here we go. Two record deals and now nothing again, right? And at that point in Nashville, I mean, Nashville's Nashville is very cutthroat. So at that point, it's like, you know, once you have a record deal, and then it just kind of seemed like nobody wants you anymore. And the music business is kind of like you're an outcast, like, well, you know, and so it kind of took another year or two before, you know, I started to think about giving up. I did. Yeah. I mean, I was actually, I was mad and wanted to give up and, you know, but I didn't. I just kept persevering and kept writing more songs, getting in with more songwriters until I met a great songwriter by the name of Karen Staley. She's probably one of my best friends to this day. She's written a lot of songs. I mean, she's written like Keeper of the Stars for Tracy Bird. Take me as in for Faith Hill. And I'll never forget it because my wife, Jennifer, had met her at a party, at a music real party. And my wife had asked her, you know, hey, would you like to write with my husband? And she was like, yeah, sure, I'd love to, you know. And my wife had come home and gave me her phone number and I'm like, she's not going to write with me because there was a lot of hit songwriters, you know, that I met that were just kind of like they tell you, here's my business card and then you try to call them and they wouldn't return your phone calls. And that's the way Nashville is a lot like that, you know. But I called. She answered the phone and she said, oh yeah, I talked to your wife, you know. And she was, I'd love to get together, you know, let's go have lunch, you know. And we went and had lunch and we kind of talked about some different things. We went back to my place and that's when I wrote a song called That's Life, which was about me growing up in a small town in Texas and being raised by my grandmother. And all of a sudden, you know, that song led to some other stuff. But I'll never forget it because that day that we were writing that song, she had another song that she was going to wanted me to hear. And it was a song called She's Not From Texas, which I had on my first album. And she had a demo and she said, this song is going to be perfect for you. I just know it is, you know. And I'm like, okay, okay. She was about, I want you to hear it, you know. We're in the middle of writing That's Life, right? You know. And she goes, okay. And so she went and she played it to me and everything. And I was like, wow, okay. And I could hear, I could hear me singing this song. I was like, okay, yeah, that does sound like me. So I picked up my guitar, started kind of singing a little bit.   And she said, well, you should record it. You know, we'll go in and do a demo on it. And I'm like, were you pitching it to anybody else? She said, yeah, yeah. She goes, I've got it pitched to a few other people. And I'm like, well, who's won in the song? She said, well, Tracy Bird wants a song. You know, he wants to record it. And I'm like, well, Karen, it's okay. You don't have to give it to me. I'm nobody at this point. Okay, I'm not going to make you any money. Let Tracy record it. She's like, no. She goes, if it fits you and it's going to help you, this is what a great person she is. She said, if it's going to help you in your career, she goes, let's go into the studio and record it. And I said, okay. And so we went into the studio, recorded the demo. And again, here it goes again. My whole life changed again from one song, because I had the demo and I got it back. I had some DJs in Texas that was asking for some songs. And I was like, well, and I didn't want them to play it. I just wanted them to listen to the song. And so a couple of DJs had listened to the song and they were like, this is a great song. You need to put this hat on Texas radio. And I'm like, yeah, but it's just a demo. It's not the master quality yet. And so they ended up putting it out on Texas radio. And by the time you knew it, it went into the top. 30, then it went to the top 20. Then it got into the top 10 on the Texas music chart. And by the time you knew it, almost a whole state of Texas was playing the song and I'm sitting there going. Isn't God amazing?  And it just opened up my whole career into the whole music thing. And we're going to talk about what else happened in your life that just totally shocked you. Yes. Yes. And we're going to talk about it when we get back. Bobby, when God opened those doors this time, he kept those doors open, didn't he? He definitely did. You know, the song had shot up into the top 10 and it reached up to number seven on the Texas charts. Like I said, a whole state of Texas was playing it. And all of a sudden it was like, what's going on? I mean, because I wasn't even prepared. I didn't even have an album. Right. I just had the demo out there. So now I got all these radio stations asking me, where's the album? And I'm like, I don't have one. What am I going to do? I don't have any money to spend for an album. So I just kind of let it be. I just kind of let it be. I just let the song write out. And it opened up more shows for me. It opened up just all kinds of stuff in the music business for me. And eventually it opened up for me to open up my own label and open up my own publishing company. And I just kind of did everything together. You know. And I was just kind of following God's path of what He wanted me to do. And all of a sudden He led me to put the album out. And we put the album out. And more doors started opening. And it just led to another thing. And it just kept going from there. From there, not too long ago, something happened in your life that just took you back a few steps. Tell me about it. Yeah. I was on tour. And I was coming back home. I was about halfway home. And my wife calls me and tells me, Bobby, you need to come home as fast as you can. And I'm like, why? You know, something wrong? And she says, no. You just need to come home. And I'm like, well, why? You know, what's happening? And she tells me on the phone, she says, well, I've had this woman call me and she's claiming to be your mother. And at that point, I just kind of went, hmm, I knew. I knew right away that I was adopted. I knew it my whole life. Did you were you told? Or did you just kind of have that feeling? I had that feeling. I had that feeling. And there's a lot of people that have been adopted. They tell me the same thing that they just had that feeling their whole life. Did you ever question it? Do you ever question your mother, dad? I did. I had asked when I was young. I was probably like eight years old, nine years old.  They tease me about it because they would always tell me, you don't look anything like your brother.  And I'm like, I'll never forget it because I went and asked my mom.  Am I adopted? My mom goes, no, no, no, no, you're not adopted, honey. No, no, no, no, you're mine. You know, so I just kind of let it be. But I knew deep down inside it, you could feel it that it didn't feel right. There was something there that you could just feel. Not that I didn't love my parents that raised me, but you could just feel it. You know, there's a blood thing there that you can feel that it just doesn't feel right. So I knew when my wife got that phone call and she told me that, I told her on the phone, I said, I'm adopted, ain't I?  So I came home. I called my so-to-be mom and got on the phone with her and she was claiming to be my real mom. And then we kept talking on the phone for a few more weeks, you know, and just try to get to know each other better. And then I called my parents too, you know, and told them what was happening. Because the whole thing was, is everybody was trying to keep it a secret, you know? They didn't want to ruin what I had going here in Nashville, you know, and they didn't want that to interfere with my life, you know, from going forward. So that's why a lot of it, they didn't want to tell me. But there were still a lot of other secrets that were going in there. I was 40 years old when I found out. How did, did you feel betrayed from your parents?  Were you? Yeah, I mean, I felt, I felt betrayed. I felt I was upset because I didn't understand why they, why they couldn't tell me a lot earlier.  And, you know, I'm already a grown man. And now it's hard to go back and try to, you know, rehash a lot of things. And so I was upset. I mean, it took me a long time.  It was really a big shock to me.  And at this point, I really don't, I don't, I don't, it doesn't, I don't, it doesn't bother me to a point to work because I'll never forget it. I was, I was crying one night because I couldn't understand why they couldn't tell me who my dad was. And I was bawling, crying, bawling, crying. And all of a sudden, I heard this voice and I could hear it loud and clear. It said, Bobby, you're going to be okay because you don't need to know who your father is. I'm your father. And, and I knew it was God talking to me. And he said, he said, you know, I'm your father. And, and so at that point, I just kind of, you know, I moved on from there, you know, and that's powerful. It was, and it was, and a lot of people, a lot of people, when I say that, they're just kind of like, oh, you're hearing things. No, I heard that voice loud and clear and I could hear it loud and clear. And, but I just got all my thoughts and all my feelings together and just kept pushing more towards the music and do what I'm doing, which it's led to more things here. So I couldn't have chosen my path any better than what God has chosen it for me, you know. Well, what's next for you? You know, I had just come out with the, with the, with the, my latest album, you know, here a year and a half ago, which led to a lot of things. I wrote a song called Speak Love. Speak Love, I was going to say, tell me about that. Speak Love was, it was, Speak Love was another song that I wrote with the great Karen Staley. And it was, when COVID happened, you know, everything was going on with COVID. I was like, what is going on? I got on Facebook, you know, and I was looking at social media and everybody was arguing and friends that had been friends for years, for 25 years, they were all arguing and ruining friendships over just little things that, well, gosh, you know, you don't drink that Dr. Pepper, you don't drink that Coke, you know, and, and it was just kind of like, it was just really, it was crazy. It was ridiculous. You know, I went and got my Bible and I opened up my Bible because I was like, what's going on in this world? And I was reading it and then I saw one of the verses and it was, God was saying that love was probably the biggest thing that he had given mankind. And I was like, wow, if we just spoke a lot more love to one another, this world would be a happier place. And then I just kind of went, oh, that's a song. So I started writing the song, you know, I got about halfway, you know, and I couldn't finish it. So I called Karen Staley up and I played her some of the song and she said, wow, this is going to be a great song, Bobby. She goes, yeah, we need to finish this one. And so we ended up finishing it, the impact that it's given a lot of people. I haven't had a song like that that has been this big impactful like this. Well, I think you're going to be writing many, many songs and I can't wait to see what God is going to, where he's going to take you and how many people that you're going to change their lives. Bobby, thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much for having me, yeah. You know, and I said, I can't wait for God to lead me in another direction and see where it takes me. I think it's going to be a great place. I think it is too.  Let Jesus whisper in your ear, you belong to him. This is today's Nashville. This is faith.