Okay, so let's go and get started. So welcome to the next Network Service Mesh meeting If you have not done so please add yourself to the participants list so Before we get started. Do you does anyone have any agenda items? It would like added to the agenda Guess we are oh, I mean At least I am adding something in the end I saw something here. I don't know Rampke if this was you which says distributed class use case and the same workflow deep dive Is this a leftover from the previous times or is it something new we wanted to discuss? Rampke Premier so I think I believe what Rampke wanted to give us basically there was a Document that was created with all cleanup done on the use case So that's where I think he wanted to have a quick review on some of the use cases and Overview put the document So let's let's make sure it's added to the to the agenda as well. It's waiting for my My Google Docs actually start working. It's Having a little trouble. Is anyone able to share the agenda as well? This is Taylor. I can share it Great. Thanks. I'm doing it now. Yeah Rampke shared cool. Oh, thanks. Okay, so So we have Some events coming up. So first we have some recurring meetings So besides this particular group, we have the NSM documentation, which is Every Wednesday at 8 a.m. Pacific time and on Friday. We also have the use case Call front out on also at 8 a.m We also encourage people to go to the CNC of test bed Which is every first and third Monday if you're able to make it so NSM And NSM definitely has a good role to to play there So events coming up. We have service mesh day That That is coming up in March 28th through 29th. So I have a talk that was accepted So I need to finish up the last couple things to fully accept the talk We have on April 2nd We also have another talk coming up, which is the Intel out of the box In Santa Clara. So this is at had Intel's site And so I'll be talking about what network service mesh is and and what's and also I I'm organizing to see if I can get them to give me what's called. I basically a workshop So I'm Prem will be very familiar with us The idea basically is that people would get some hands-on experience with network service mesh Over a period of I think two to three hours We have on us coming up on April 3rd or 5th, and we have a few talks that We encourage you to intend to to attend and and to help get the word out We have MPLS SDN NFV Which I don't think we have any talks to but it's worth going just to hearing what people have to say if you're if you happen to be in Paris Container world in April 17th through 19th with a talk accepted by Prem. I Cube con EU so Nicola I mentioned a couple of the talks were rejected. I'm still waiting to hear from some of the others So we'll we'll know for sure what's going on without soon We have we do have a co-located event at cube con EU So the co-located event we we can definitely get some network service much talks there since we're using vital in an interesting way We also have cube con in China and Shanghai for I Don't believe anyone submitted any talks there And we have we finally have on s in Europe in which is gonna be Antwerp Hey, the call for paper is currently open and closes in June 16th. So If you would like to give a talk at on s Europe Definitely let us know and we can we can help Oregon we can help craft a craft a compelling talk Finally, we have Semi F 2019 in November 18th and We have cube con North America in San Diego both of those are the same time So we'll have to we'll have to work that out Finally We have the CNCF talk application. So if you haven't reviewed the talk application We are going to eventually submit The link is in the the link is in the chat We so With that let's go and get into some of the into the main items So we have a kind cluster provided provided demo by by Nikolai So Nikolai you have the floor Yeah, okay, so Can I can I take over just to share my screen and to show some things? Okay Okay, apparently my zoom crushed. Let's see if I share like this. Do you see my screen? It's just starting. Yeah, I'm able to see yeah. Yeah Okay, so we have over the last couple of days We have integrated a Thing called kind So it's essentially a Kubernetes Quick Deployment tool which uses docker images This is the homepage of the project and It essentially is a faster way so this is Essentially not for production. This is just for you know development purposes So currently our main way to deploy and to the develop Is to use a vagrant virtual machines We are able to bring I mean depending on your hardware specs of the of your computer. You are able to To spawn two virtual machines, I mean, this is what we have as a default And then one is the master the other is a worker and then you deploy loads across them with the current Deployment that we have with kind We are getting Let's just do time here. We are getting three Notes to like a master and to two worker nodes And what I want to show you is how quickly so of course the very first time that you have to deploy Because it's based on docker. It essentially downloads and prepares an image And once this image is prepared. So there's essentially this kind of nodes V. Of course This is the version of the Kubernetes that it Yes That it deploys so after that it's just as quickly as what you're seeing now This is a Kind of fast way to To do your development, of course, we already found some limitations like mounting host volumes We know that there might be some instabilities Fortunately turns out we have we Kind of know some some people that are related to the development of kinds or I guess that that it will be a good So, okay, as you see it's just like a minute and something Then essentially you have to do this we have a No, this is the class You can get notes and see and see that you have The three notes that still not ready But Essentially the idea is that that this Makes it more Accessible for people to develop to try it without, you know, all the complex setup that we have up till now You have to download the virtual box. If you are on Linux, you have to use KVM If you want to so all the different things that we have in our quick start guides I think that that it's much much easier to do it this way just depending on Docker and then relying on kind to do What is there? It's true that kind is still kind of alpha version but yeah The other thing that that actually means it's still not You can do infrared deploy deploy all the images but the other thing that We were trying And trying to evaluate is if we if we we we can use this as a part of as a part of our Continuous integration So today our as we use circle CI as a way to build images and then all these images are pushed to docker hub And then from docker hub. They are Downloaded in packet where we spawn physical machines and then we have two nodes Kind of creating a similar situation as what we have with vagrant but We are trying to evaluate how how this project can help us in speeding up our CI So today we have like I think a little bit less than 20 minutes maybe 15 16, I don't know But we want to improve our testing like out more test scenarios and if we find a faster way to spin up the cluster Quickly run tests and then spin down then Then this could help over on the project So that's it. I don't know. I don't know if anyone has any questions or want to see something else So I'd like to point out that Nikolai is using OS X and so this works in a yes Environment and it should work in a Linux environment without any issues Yeah, maybe it's slightly better there because you don't have an additional virtual machine to run the docker Yeah, I find the I find the the power usage of running another VM slightly annoying but acceptable but Yeah, I find In that scenario This this is compatible with OS X and we do have people who are well at the start We have Nikolai and myself who will be using in the OS X environment. So if you're It would be interesting to see how this works in in Windows as well. Like there are some problems There are some problems with make files and so on within within Windows and how and how How it all works together, but It is but it's I think it'd be a good place to start if someone if someone is Really wanting to get windows environment up. This would be a really good place to to initiate that I'm just I'm just suggesting that if they want to get windows that they they it's running They can they can also start with using kind there as well because they can install docker without any issues and So that'd be a good a good starting place Great, is there any questions about this particular environment Nikolai could you please? Tug in the the link to that the kind cluster So that's what I was showing so in in in our master branch. You can find a guide Where actually it explains all these arguments what you have to do and of course we are on I'll see If you have questions you can file issues also on github Okay, okay We also have Romkin Prem who are going to talk about a distributed cloud use case or For enterprise and telco with a NSM workflow deep dive so I'll let you both decide who's gonna talk Yep, I can I will share my screen are you able to see my screen Yes So one of the things Prem and I did as part of this exercise was sort of Not just come up with these use cases, but also sort of look at the Other use cases which have been put together the world use case document and then almost There is a cleanup version. So for example We are seeing one more use case coming together From John if there is potential interest to carry that forward that's from Paul or two So and also essentially clarifying the fact that there are Several protocols into consideration, but it's not a use case for example segment routing. It's kind of a protocol to You know to realize these use cases right some of those clarifications also we added So with that said essentially We have spent some time on the use cases themselves last couple of calls It's quickly like to get the next level of detail. The only change from last time was When we discussed with additionally, there is an internet breakout as you can see so basically we talked about enterprise corporate corporate access last time right traffic coming hitting the P and then going to You will be gateway or escape it in 4g terms for, you know, mobile processing session processing and then heading to Enterprise so the other path is like essentially you directly bake out the internet right from the after you You know Go through your mobile session processing. You don't hit to the enterprise But you go to the internet but at that point you hit a DPA engine the DPA is primarily for reverse traffic But you know to keep it symmetric you pass both directions of the traffic So basically you'll have a fork right at the You know after you do the P gateway escape it gets gateway processing whether you choose to go to internet or choose to go to directly to the enterprise private cloud So Essentially to summarize what would happen is We'll talk about some of the details but from an SM connectivity role When there is in short summary when there is no SRAOV or smart think or any sort of hardware acceleration. There is an additional in additional tunneling needed But if they're using hardware acceleration notably SRAOV is smart like essentially You can just leverage the existing tunneling mechanism because for example gtpu is a UDP tunnel on top of customer packets Same goes with IPsec or L2TP So Then on the SDVAN use case supreme do you want to talk a little more on little on this? Yeah, sure So this is Becoming more common the SDVAN use case particularly with edge picking up Varan the main scenario here is You have core cloud which is which can be an enterprise case which can be a Main data center and then you have edge cloud which are closer to that of the customer premises Where you are providing services There are a bunch of use cases where and it becomes very important So in that case the scenario what we are talking about here is what what would How would NSM play a role in building the infrastructure as well as helping out The apps to seamlessly access the resources both in each cloud as well as on the IT cloud so that's about the SDVAN scenario and also I have just Put the link Varan. There is also in the One that is specific article about how Kubernetes and SDVAN plays a role for example you have scenarios Varan Within a metropolitan Area network a man network you would essentially have the Kubernetes master Sitting on the IT cloud and you would have the cluster formed across this edge cloud and Another important thing is the edge cloud has to be really efficient in terms of its footprint beat hardware or software and also in certain scenarios this edge cloud would essentially be Instantiated And then it can it instantiated based on the requirement and also brought down once the requirement is met So so this is primarily Varan. How do you play out edge cloud using Kubernetes NSM? Yeah So before jumping into the connectivity you walk through So it's a you know, how NSM plays a role I do want to point out I just sent an email from right from the Kubernetes scaling group So essentially a distributed and as cloud scenario, how will Kubernetes work? So essentially a potential Potential deployment model could be going beyond Actual physical data center where basically latency is the order of microseconds to you can take it to milliseconds basically Decase there is you know, like an enterprise as devan or the telco distributed cloud where a hub site Which could cover several small? Ed sites like as an example an enterprise example is the branch office right probably just have one server there It's in cover. You don't need to install a Kubernetes master there But as long as the hub site is within a few millisecond away latency away record and officially confirmed by the Kubernetes six scale group with that Or essentially the millisecond you can call it metro distance right within a metro it should be fine But definitely not overvan, right? But also the key point is you don't need to have a Kubernetes cluster in each and every location Like if you just have a single server, it's not necessary to just dump a Kubernetes cluster there With that so going to the connectivity walk through so essentially there are three layers, right? So coming from inside out, right? So the first is of course the tenant or the customer payload, right? So basically There you have the tenant customer overlay or the IP header overlay L3 or the IP header or overlay L2 or the max header, right? So this is tenant or customer information. This is true for all cases are again the next level of tunneling for all cases So for example, we saw You know IP sec being used with both in the distributed telco cloud use case or in the SD van use case and segment routing of course the tunneling mechanism of which is popular more in the telco world but it's very much possible in the enterprises V1 because it's typically multipaths you have the Packets of the internet using IP sec But then some critical traffic would go with MPLS network at that point you'd be using segment routing and At that point the tunneling could use other MPLS IP tunneling mechanisms, but the key to note here is this is essentially a talking underlay here and in this case all these packets are all routed, right?  It's all routing at this underlay level Right and L2 header is basically providing the max header, but the packet is still routed you at each Routing hop you look up the mac address and you take action on it So now as you peel down the layers In if there is sri over your smart Nick so essentially what happens is at that point you can you have the mac address to Process either it could be if the global mac address it could be processing directly or if you want to deal with private Mac addresses then the you need to bring in the outer Wheel underlay or outer wheel and tag also into the equation right to model But what gets interesting is if in the absence of SRIO in smart Nick. So what happens is? From a host perspective you have only one mac address exposed right typically one or a few right? So then that's when you go with a tunneling example. This is the x-lan, right? The typical one I mean it could be the x-lan etc as a right come could be Jenna or something else or so the rational for here essentially what you're doing is You're still routing with respect to you You know the underlay, but you're able to come convey the entire L2 payload I mean this whole payload everything, you know Including the GRE or IP sec tunnel is a payload for it, right? is you're able to convey to your part of interest or Kubernetes managing VM VM of interest and This is kind of nicely depicted in this workflow here, right? How this is flowing through From NFC one to NFC two where essentially we are depicting to Essentially there are two interfaces and this example is also catering at the multi tenancy There's a single tenant then you would just need one additional interface I wouldn't like to besides Kubernetes interface, but in the case of multi tenancy and if you want superior isolation, this is a typical deployment model and with that background so essentially what we said was Let's go into now what the current NSM scope looks like and what we need to do and Thanks, Frederick for the great discussion. I think we did Talk about a lock of a lot of this last Friday, but we will double click more on this Before we go on is is it possible to share the the Document or that I miss it so that other people in their own time can can also review. Oh Yeah, this one is also thanks to Nicolay is also published actually this document Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put this So I think if you click into The use case calendar, it will have the meeting notes on this document Okay, right So the current NSM scope supports I mean again to be very specific one endpoint for anything the network's at least description, right? What if I'm a description perspective? But then and of course it supports software and hardware actually to see an eye from interconnection. It's like very flexible Working with the device plug-ins and then automate the end-to-end Or non-creator spot endpoints also like the ENSF, right? So so now if you the enhanced NSM scope you're looking at a sort of a We definitely need from a multi-tenancy use case perspective support multiple endpoints for NSE the network service description so the the in In basically if you go externally we call it nsd network service descriptor so basically from that perspective, right? For multi-tenancy. We definitely need to support multiple endpoints If you go to long I mean from a long term This is actually really looking at implementing a full-blown HPA policy and there are different types of policies But the thought processes for a simple I mean first step This is actually could be one of the HPA policies where Typically, there's a fault in it in the path scenario There is a fault in an endpoint that typically it's an indicator of the good problem because you will be hitting Essentially the you know both the endpoints no matter what even if they're going to different network functions We'll be hitting the same hose perhaps the same. I mean the nick are the Or the socks which we switch right so basically one HPA policy could be simple in this case We just killed the entire network function and recreate the part, right? I thought this is a good first step, but essentially this is coming to implementing full-blown HPA policies and Daniel others were experts in segment routing know this more than me So basically it's pretty elaborate. How you want to fail over and take a different path, right? You know routing paths, right? So the next one is essentially again the use cases multi-tenancy, but this is getting into another detail All right, so basically We talked a little bit about you know Say the case where how you manage the two cases, right? So one is the SRIO we are smart nick is there. How do you manage the MAC address site? so basically It could be a global MAC address or outer MAC address and you know, which could be private and then a VLAN But also the more important one is Essentially, I think you have to capture the detail here. So the Support endpoints par grouping for interconnect policy. Let me explain a little more so let's say we went to the domain where Essentially, there is no SRIO smart nick, which is a very popular case. For example, using VBP or OBS or you know Dmware v-switch, which I think there's so many v-switches, right? So basically what happens at that point? You have to critically look at how you manage the ID space One simple way is say, I mean if you're looking at VXLan one simple way would be go back and say, hey All these interconnects. I mean, you basically have a network service description Which which has several network functions and you can say hey all of them belong to the same BNI All right, basically there are point-to-point connections But you make that simplifying assumption same BNI and then differentiate based on just the method, right? So this is a scalable approach Versus you say hey, well, I'm gonna I need fine-grained isolation like each of the Interconnect password need to be completely isolated and then start using BNI then So basically you could say scalability issues in your deployment So some things to that is an important thing to keep in mind So that's sort of the notion of the end-point that grouping for interconnect policy, right? So So basically we need to have this policies, but we can start small saying, you know One simple policy could be hey It's just either I mean two or two policies one is full isolation or no isolation keep it simple But then we can start going into more fine-grained policies as we make progress And also do want to stress the point all these standard tunneling points Mechanisms which are using or the more popular ones are always routed from an underlay perspective, right? Basically each hop is a router. That's how these I mean the popular tunneling protocols are and Essentially the next one is around traffic management. So basically Based on the interconnect policies and also the multi-tenancy you you basically support Interconnect usage monitoring it could be construed independent of the previous one also no matter multi-tenancy or not We need to look at interconnected usage monitoring, right and figure out what is going on from an interconnect perspective, you know packets in now and then you can take it to and This could be for example useful for figuring out if there is some sort of DDoS attack happening, right? and then take further action and This is to second the next one is more of a repeat saying this should be done for both software and hardware activity C&I not for one or the other right the same interconnect usage monitoring and The last one is essentially support bandwidth management, right? This is the again a very interesting and critical one So the use case is QoS. So if you look at the You know the compute side K8S supports elaborate policy for example, you know for their service there are three levels from a compute perspective that a CPU and memory you call it best effort Or guaranteed or a min guarantee model, right? Or best effort min guarantee or absolute guarantee Right and in our case This would also entail K8S scheduler changes if you want to go that route but we could come come through that a long-term activity, but as a first step at least You know building the enforcement which can happen right at our layer itself to the C&I and for certain either you're using the Software software path or the hardware activated C&I This is sort of I went through a little fast and now completely open to questions and deeper dive So I had one you sort of wave past Segment routing and VX LANA kinds of overlay. That's fine. It's all good, but there's a problem there. I think of Who's authorized to use which kind of overlay if you were doing the enterprise use case that you suggested and used SR then that simply wouldn't fly because There's somebody in the middle between who's got to agree that SR is actually permissible and workable so I Think if you I mean, I'm guessing that one of your next steps here is to break this down to some sort of call sequence I think when you do that, then you've got a cross administrative domain issue that will show up So you're talking about the segment routing use case Well, I'm talking about using segment routing segment routines at all It's not a use case and to be fair your point about quality of service is the same. I would argue. It's a tool not a use case Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, sorry.   It will still be The packets to be routed, right? So what within the tunnel the packets will appear to be rooted. Yes, I'm not debating that I'm more trying to work out how Your I mean we're NSM here. So the question is how you set up the mesh and so The question I'm asking myself is how I would set that measure with a sequence of calls to NSM managers and That's where this sort of loses its track Yeah, I to add on to what to what Ian is saying and correct me if I'm wrong So like people it's it's not that someone wants segment segment routing is that they want some They want some feature functionality that could render into They could render into segment routing and so So part of so part of what would be useful, I think would be to try to work out What is what is that high-level use case that? That we can drive towards to say then segment routing can can help with this scenario And make sure that that that use case works as opposed to just saying we do we do segment routing Yeah, I could do ready the thing is that overlay. It's not clearly a network service endpoint but nevertheless that overlay is an important a significant part of the The the mesh that you're setting up. So you're asking for something specifically by property and I'm not quite sure how that request would happen and again particularly because this crosses an administrative boundary between an enterprise and a service provider that's quite an important question because the The call might result in asking the service provider for something rather than asking segment reaching by name Yeah, it's the same advice that that I gave to the network service funding group on their inaugural meeting when they were talking about multiple interfaces and it's like Okay, it's not the thing those people want is not the multiple interface It's actually you have to look at why why are they asking for that feature? It might be for a faster data plane or it might be for something that they can get more more predictable performance or quality of service on In in in order to solve a very specific use case and the actual quality of service mechanism or The fact that it rendered into another interface is is not actually what what the user was was looking for It was just a means to an end so So we should we should try to work out what some of the more popular things are like why why do people bring in a service? SRV or SRV six is an example and then ask question like, you know, why, you know What what use case do we drive from from that? So like basically like step up one level higher So, um, so that's at least the thought process and I mean basically this is So there are two aspects to it, right? Of course if Protocol like SRV six bring some additional value more I would say with respect to The end-to-end service itself sort of maybe you can argue QoS, correct But we also have to look at Look at what does it exactly mean from an NSM perspective? At least if you go back to These Architectural impact, right? So basically the use cases it would sort of then fall into the QoS aspect perhaps, right? Or the traffic management more towards that. So basically segment routing If you're using segment routing, you can do some fine-grained two ways between these two end points and then the way That will actually percolate to NSM is more of the QoS, right? Okay, or even classic MPLS you can do bandwidth management, but it's sort of more of the implication rather than Anything else is the thought process, right? Yeah, but again the problem at the moment is is you've got Use cases described quite well and implementations You know components that you can use to implement those use cases and NSM is the glue between the two And I'm just not seeing the link here. So the the really it comes down to Effectively use cases tools and how NSM would assemble those tools to make the use case work And I think that's what this document's a little bit scattershot in that regard at the moment It mixes together and it's not clear separation between them So Yeah, yeah, and so the the bad aspect essentially we are I think probably Are you looking at sort of so now once you have clarity and we have Some idea of what you're going to do I mean we want to double click into sort of a workflow to make that bring that clarity saying hey This is how it will look like or Anything else because I think many of this is it's probably Clear and people who are extremely similar with this in their mind, but sort sort of it still not Reflecting the workflow right? I mean I think I mean to be fair I'm pretty damn familiar with service provider networking and the use cases that you're explaining and Yes, absolutely. I think that's exactly what you should do. You need to double click into What the calls would be to NSM to set this up and would be on failure as well because you sort of hand-wave that one off slightly Because that is precisely the detail we need to actually work out whether the current Description of NSM actually applies to this use case or whether we're missing something and that's what we need to understand If we're missing if what we're doing isn't quite going to work then then you know examining a use case is precisely how we fix it Yeah, I agree Yes, so I think a good way to start as well as if you if you scroll up to the image that you provided So So if we look at like this particular Scenario where we were actually ignore the fact that's NSE or OBS or physical Nick and just imagine like the standard You know, you have the some some client connecting to some set of services And you could build the chain out longer if you like and the fact that there's two connections here What you're trying to express is that is that multi-tenancy? So we start with that basic premise and then we start asking the question like how do we ensure? Isolation between between the two customers How do we how do we how do we ensure the user gets the throughput that they're looking for? How do we ensure the user gets the security they're looking for with with NSM? How do we ensure when a failure occurs with a link or one of the services that they get rerouted? And so I think if we look at it each one piecemeal in that scenario To start off with and that that would probably be a good way to start And then what we can do is starts to compose them saying how do we get auto healing plus security plus Plus whatever and start to drive to a to a full end to end Use case so I think that you're starting off really well like you're asking the right side of questions the the feedback I think is that Is to focus primarily at the top level use case like what is it that we want? You know if we had 30 seconds to to tell an executive Who is going to make a decision on this what we provide them? You know we saying things like oh we provide quality of service and we provide you know Those things are important, but we have to be able to drive a Effective narrative that helps lead people to see how this solves it at a holistic view Yeah, I would argue in fact the NSM is job isn't to provide quality of service It's to provide The ability to connect services together that give you things like quality of service as well. So exactly just And that's what I'm trying to understand from your document. You've reeled off a list of And again part the problem with the document is it's a mix of two things together One is high-level use cases which should have under them You know enabling features that will make them better and one perhaps is low-level features that you might use to enable those use cases But the more important question, which is completely unanswered as yet, which is totally understandable is how NSM Enables you to use the features you're talking about to deliver the use cases that you're interested in and that's what you've skipped over in There it's just you've mixed the two up and then the missing component just isn't obviously missing I think Yeah, I think Yeah, those are the fair points. I agree with you and so what we have done is essentially We took a more of a top-down approach where and first define the use cases Then get into the details of what would be the requirement from a NSM perspective and I agree as a next step What we can do is we can identify the components and then more like a call flow or a sequence diagram between them Which essentially enumerates the details on how things would Would essentially look in both the use cases. Yeah, so Pull pull your implementation bits out from from the use case For the time being and stick it in a separate section So it's clear that this is the use case you have and these the building blocks you've used to solve it And then you know the answer the demonstration is how you glue the two things together Yeah, I think it's a very very fair point and I'll definitely we will probably definitely look into it and Just to other aspect was like precisely this in a sense you wanted to get some early feedback the agile and Yes, this particular step what you felt was you probably need the experts such as Fred and Nicolay, right? I mean, so who know the code inside out, right? That matter so basically they are the people who have been looking at the workflows and you want to make sure first of the have at least them You know basically direction. We are sitting here with the distributed cloud and as it looks like I think there is good interest and also basically alignment and This is more of saying first setting that stage for that That's what we are thinking in mind rather than if you do everything and we find that oh my god These use cases themselves are busted. Then it's a bigger problem. You're facing, right? Yeah, that's precisely it I'm trying to make sure and it's not about the fact that they know the code. It's about they fact They know what they're trying to do But yes, the point about your use cases it evaluates whether their current thinking is the right one or whether we need to change Direction slightly. That's exactly what you're trying to do. Yeah, just to Just to be clear. I think this is a fantastic start like literally we've had what one or one or two meetings at the most two meetings and when we're already up to to having this information Discussed and in a in a scenario that is that is digestible. So so so I do want to make clear like you're off to a really great start so we So, yeah, we just we want to make sure that it's that this thing is heading towards a towards a direction to To make it very very clear as to not only what is it what use case? We're trying to solve but also make it very clear like this is the part that make network service mesh provides And then this is the part that you have to plug in, you know Things like firewalls and so on like we're not going to provide a firewall for you but you can bring in your your favorite firewall Provided you can you can plug in or create your own endpoint for it. So So in that scenario like I think I think this is a fantastic a fantastic start. So I'll definitely make sure my time is available to help to to help you Work out Not only high-level stuff, but also details as well Thank you for it will continue for the call flows because yeah, we need basically you have a thorough understanding of what is there and you know, how things are lining up. Yeah So Yeah, I think even before we get into the call flow right what I was thinking is at least zoom into further details on How would it? How would a typical deployment look like right and then what we can do is we can bring in call flow So that's what I was thinking probably one level of further Getting into the details on for example Beat an edge clone or beat in the scenario. What would be the components? What would a service be and what will happen when a service gets deep but things like that? Yeah, yeah, certainly, I mean and in fact that's that we could even Whiteboard it out. Yeah, possible rather than I think I mean basically and then the agile and a little bit faster like whiteboard and then of course Capture all those pictures and then quickly progress the call flow step because that's when we bring to this audience then Be clear on who's doing what right? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay So before we finish up, do we have any last? questions in this particular topic also We are probably calling out for more people who can get in because definitely this is this team has a lot of experience and Probably whoever is interested can probably join and help us in defining the details Because once the rubber hits the road then you definitely have a lot of unknown or a lot of questions and more the Team size better it is as well. I have a standing conflict with the Friday call, but I'm hoping to eventually reschedule that Because I have a lot of questions on this Especially since it tries to like span both the service provider network and the enterprise network and the considerations for like What it actually means when an enterprise peers with a service provider directly like wants to become a BGP peer this and that like I think a lot of this stuff looks good on paper And I think that the technology is there to support it But that doesn't necessarily mean that the business processes or the way that service providers on board customers necessarily is there to support it unless you're Surely just going to ask for you know a BGP peer and then do tons of tunneling over everything or you know I saw SD WAN was in there But like I said, that's even that still You could have an SM make all these calls to the SD WAN But if it only controls the overlay then nothing actually happens on your underlay And so you say increase this to 500 megs and you still only have 100 meg line I mean, there's lots and lots of considerations if you want to start playing in the service provider space that I think There's just weird caveats that don't apply in the enterprise space that will have to account for Another way of looking at it is you're almost trying to change the world by giving service providers API And that actually might be the right answer for what it's worth, but Well, that's what meth is doing, right? So I mean like you said well And that's what we've been working on like when I've been like working on like the meth standards for API's and stuff is like If it like Romkey, I recommend you Google after this I'm just looking to the interlude API and the Sonata API and stuff and at least, you know Charter and a few others we've been looking into the meth space on doing exactly what Ian just described where we present an API and If resources available, you could potentially make requests for changes to the underlay. This is still in its earlier ly infancy But um, it's something that at least in the Ethernet space like standards and you know Day models and whatnot are starting to like See their infancy. I mean I worry that like anything in the service provider space There'll be 15 different standards and then nobody will use them, but these are considerations And like NSM at that point and this is where Mine and Ed's definitions of data plane get a little wonky because in this case that interlude API for service You know modification to the underlay would essentially be your data plane as far as NSM's concern And you would make a request to the service provider to not only you know Get that overlay change what you would do to the SD-WAN platform But then also make a request for the underlay change so that you know the MPLS configurations Underpinning everything actually bump your circuit capacity up Yeah, I think Ed's view on it is sort of like a certain phrase about turtles all the way down applies You know, it's data planes all the way down Right The model we're going with that's fine But in this case like I said, I mean the service provider itself is the data plane, right? I mean you could make that argument because it's what's passed in your packets for you in your frame So I get it. It's just it's a nebulous way for me to look at it as a service provider engineer But then at that point, yeah, like in a sim would only be calling interlude Sonata versus, you know, you're not going to go into provision some service providers interface, right? Like on a switch somewhere like in a hub or underneath a cell tower like zero chance that that ever happens So if this API thing comes to fruition and methods successful Then that might be how a use case like this fully materializes from end to end Yeah, I think we can't absolve ourselves of this by saying it's all the data planes problem Because in many regards the data plane here is just another kind of service again, particularly when it's it's cross one and it's got specific behavior So, you know, we have to deal with the consequence of having Services that people bring along that implement, you know, end-to-end connectivity Yeah, I And the question is going to be what what are you doing? What things do we want to lift from the from the data plane into into NSM? So we can so we can do the right kind of negotiation between disparate things so That's that's going to be a very interesting question and may actually be different between certain Between certain types of data planes So so we definitely have a lot of things to look at in that space, but with that we're we're actually out of out of time So yeah, I'm good point and also good point and met for Jeffrey So similarly, probably we should also be looking at if there is anything to leverage from Etsy, right? I mean they have I'm not saying they run a fantastic job on the network service descriptor But that could also be leverageable. I mean as public as we walk through all this and So one request to the team. So if you think do you think that this Friday is a little I mean basically Not the most convenient time the Friday morning. I mean, I can't make it, but I don't I'm one person the collectives More important. So I'll see if I can move some stuff around but Fridays are at the moment a hard no for me Yeah, my my recommendation is if we're worried about people not being able to show up would be to run doodle poles and see if Like Friday versus Thursday Works but I Know that Ed has has a conflict on Fridays So I'll definitely I can definitely show up to them, but yeah You're right. I mean you ran the doodle pole between Friday and Monday and so We and we do want to keep the meetings to before 9 a.m. Pacific, right? respecting I Anyways, let's let's talk about this at a at a later time because we're we're starting to go Yeah, I will then Thanks, Fred. So we'll we'll probably it'll be great if we can meet up and then make some offline progress especially in the workflows Sure, I'm happy to I'm happy to do that as well as long as we share back and discuss in the community Okay with with that is there's If there's no other urgent News then thank you everyone for for your time and we will see you all next week at the same time. Thank you


Stem cells are usually thought of as possible treatments for diseases like spinal cord injuries or type 1 diabetes in which cells need to be replaced. But increasing evidence suggests they may be able to help with sepsis, a life-threatening complication of infection. Sepsis is one of the most deadly and expensive syndromes, killing a quarter of a million people and incurring $20 billion in hospital costs every year in the United States alone. Classically, sepsis has been thought of as a problem of an overactive immune system. As immune cells respond to infection, they unleash a torrent of inflammatory cytokines, or what's called a cytokine storm, which can lead to organ failure. But recently, doctors have discovered that sepsis is more complicated and if someone survives this early hyper-inflammatory stage, they are still at risk of succumbing later when the syndrome switches over to being immune-suppressive. Currently, there are no treatments beyond antibiotics, which need to be given early to be fully effective. Multipotent stromal or connective tissue cells known as mesenchymal stem cells may be ideally suited to fighting sepsis. Preclinical studies have found that they can strengthen the immune response to pathogens while limiting host damage and boosting tissue repair. And because the cells have few antigen-presenting molecules on their surface, they are less likely to be rejected. This means that they can be taken from a donor, stored and transplanted into another patient, much like we do with blood products today. In animal models of sepsis, researchers have found that stem cells are protective and operate through a variety of mechanisms. The cells reduce bacterial growth with antimicrobial peptides and activate macrophages to phagocytose and kill pathogens. At the same time, stem cells keep the immune response in check by promoting T-regulatory cells and producing the right mix of cytokines and chemokines to keep neutrophils from spreading into healthy tissues. The cells also pass mitochondria onto the epithelium to reduce injury in the lung. These studies demonstrate the potential for stem cells to radically improve sepsis treatment, but substantial hurdles remain. Clinical trials are mostly just getting started, and those in progress or completed for other diseases have struggled to replicate some of the animal results, indicating the need for caution. Complicating things is the fact that no one marker can identify mesenchymal stem cells, and they're a heterogeneous population anyway. We don't yet know which sources may be better at fighting sepsis or what the best doses are and when to give them. Finally, while the cells appear mostly safe, there are still concerns about infusional toxicity and whether they can contribute to cancer. More work is needed to investigate what goes on in the body during sepsis and whether stem cells will ultimately be an effective treatment for one or more subtypes of the condition.


Hey man, should I date someone that I'm not attracted to? I mean, they are Christian and I don't know many Christians. That's a good question, but I would definitely say no. That doesn't mean that attraction couldn't grow over time, but it does mean that it's unfair to pursue someone for the purposes of dating if you're not actually attracted to them at all. God designed attraction. It's not a dirty thing. We shouldn't undervalue its importance in romantic relationships. That makes sense. At the same time that we shouldn't overvalue physical beauty's role in making someone attractive. Though that definitely plays a role. There's also personality, character, and the person's values. So you're saying no, don't date them, at least not now, but don't entirely write them off. Being friends is a good place to be when you're in a context to get to know them better. Who knows, maybe attraction will grow or you'll meet somebody else. Don't sweat it man. God's got you. Thanks man.


represent the results of ongoing projects which are based on specific archaeometric analysis and was conducted by several of researchers with different kinds of science. So you can see these people on this first picture. And this research was conducted on pottery from cemetery in Wichina. As you know, the on-files are very well known from the enormous amount of pottery and we know that and you can read the assumption which were made for two sites, so Wichina and Domazwap, so a really huge amount of pottery. From Poland, from the southwestern part of Poland, we know something about 300 locations of on-file period. So the vast majority of these are cemeteries, so this is a small conclusion that pottery is the main source of knowledge for this period. And traditionally in traditional way pottery are developed, are elaborated in a very traditional way so they are used to determine the chronology and the culture, as you can see on this picture, the table of chronology and typology was made for the Białowice group. It was noticed that the pottery involves a similar repeatable set of vessels which, thanks to the shape, suggest contact with liquids. That's why the idea was born. Funeral pottery made only for funeral rite and no use on settlement. Additionally, set of typical domestic pottery as conical necked vessels and pots but in materialized version were also placed in the grave. Another factor confirming this assumption was grave good arrangement that indicates ritual actions connected to ritualized drinking symposium libation. So as we can see in the inner group and the manifestation of domestic space as we can see in this outer group. These features observed at this cemetery in Białowice group were also observed in Wichina Cemetery which is elaborated by our research team. The conception of symposal drinking set and feasting customs were taken from the Mediterranean world. In connection with the situation of access to materials from the settlement and from the nearby cemetery in Wichina, there was an opportunity to take a different look at ceramics. We posted a few questions about the pottery. First of all, our vessels produced and used in the settlement were used as funeral ones. The second one, our vessels were made specially for burials. And third, what was the pathway from the settlement to cemetery how it looks like, how it could look. So pottery derived from the famous settlement Wichina which was discussed today. But I would like to mention that these materials were published only from the excavation conducted in the period 2008 and 2011. And the funerary materials derived from the nearby cemetery have never been elaborated until the project in 2016 was started. And now we will focus on these pottery assemblages. So the Wichina fortified settlement the frequency forms of ceramic items on the settlement show the most frequent occurrence of pots on flora and bolts. So you can see those forms. Comparing to the cremation cemetery engraves the most frequently were bolts, miniaturals, vessels and then vases. So we can assume that the ceramic forms are very similar from a stylistically point of view but the differences are the frequency of particular forms. The next step was to choose samples, pottery samples to archerometric analysis. So as you can see on this picture the samples were very similar both to the cemetery and to the settlement. The samples from the cemetery was derived from the three phases of functioning this cemetery but the most frequently was the samples from graves dated to the Halstead Sea period. And the results from petrographic analysis, thin sections analysis from settlement established beside the types, the amount and size of inclusions but they also indicate some ways of surface treatment. Namely the added slip layers were recognized on the surface both so-called kitchen and table pottery. And I hope that you see in these thin sections pictures these added layers. Chemical analysis indicates two different source of raw materials which will be located in the closest neighboring to the settlement. So now the analysis which were conducted in our project, so cemetery. So petrographic results show the most common inclusions. That's where mineral grains also organic material and grog were also used but particularly in the pottery dated to the Halstead Sea. The latter inclusions did not occur in the settlement samples. So both petrographic analysis from settlement and cemetery show that a prehistoric pottery workshop was characterized by the lack of the required combination of recipes. Another set of analyzes namely using the scanning electron microscopy allows to observe the process of surface treatment. A common characteristics were very careful surface treatment sometimes leading to the surface polishing. In the scanning image of many samples one can observe parallel grooving typical for ceramic surface smoothed with a hard tool with a smooth surface such for example as a pebble. On this picture 3 you can see rarely protruding sharp edged rock fragments. The next picture, this 4 picture show outer surface of the same sample where the canvitas formed as a result of smoothing residual organic matter is visible as traces of blackening process during filing. We can see increased carbon content the presence of diagnostic peaks of sulfur and nitrogen in the small picture here below so in the EDS spectra. At the edge of the same sections are seen thick layers characterized by small amount of grains and orderly arrangement of clay minerals. So this picture show it very clearly the layers distinguished by the green color in the last 3 pictures. So this is compared to this inner ceramic mass, basis ceramic mass. The same surface finishing were established at the settlement samples so we have these very similar features. On the outer surface of the one weasel it can be observed the characteristic of two step application of the slip so at the symmetry we have two layers of slip. The confirmation of the hypothesis about the possibility of using local raw materials will be tests of ceramic samples and raw material using the thermal and x-ray diffraction analyzes. So this is in progress and we don't have all the results of these tests. But physical features aimed to determine the degree of water absorption total porosity and wateredness so the features that are mind the potential suitably of ceramics for storing liquid substances and the technological level of pottery. Four groups were distinguished with degree of range of values. First groups were the lowest porosity and water absorption so the pottery are the best containers so it indicates that pottery could be the best containers for the storage of liquids. The group third and fourth, so these groups have the worst physical parameters so the fluid permeability is very high. We could observe no big weasels and amphoras and drinking set in the third and fourth group. Miniature weasels and special forms occur in the third and fourth group. The most of the domestic weasels according to the results of these analyzes could be big weasels, big amphoras, both pots and almost this assemblage of pottery is the most typical pottery of Białowice group. Ceramics have been also exercised for potential of organic residue by using chromatography analyzes. By examining the components that have been absorbed into pottery it is possible to explore pottery function in the past. This examination reveals remains of cereals, vegetable materials, pine pitch and resin, paraffin wax and bitumen. Comparing these results to physical characteristics and these four groups, this is the group of physical characteristics revealed that cereals will exist in each of these four groups. The most interesting are samples which pine pitch and resin, paraffin wax and bitumen. This material indicates to sealing the surface of pottery, comparing the physical features, samples of drinking set, so bowls and cups, but also pots and weasels were placed in the two first groups. So it is. So represent the best conditions to domestic activity. Sensor, so this item. The item compared to model of the oven has also remains of pine resin, what could indicate some time of the combust or of fragment substances. At the last interesting samples is represent by this large conical necked vessel where both pine pitch and vegetable material were established. It should be added that this vessel was an urn in grey. So we could suppose that first these vessels were used as container to storage plant material and then reused as a grave's good. So to conclude and sum up this multidisciplinary research we could say that some of vessels could be reused as funerary pottery, the most large vases and amphoras. Some of pottery like this very small vessels, miniature vessels and as pointed jaglets and pots which seems to have replaced large storage and cooking vessels were produced only for symbolic use for one use like for the funerary rights. In functional interpreting the pottery we should not be suggested only by the shape. The same forms of vessels could be used in different ways. And we have hoped that this positive results of our investigations could bring comparing analysis of physical parameters of pottery and trace or organic materials. And this direction, this way of conducting research could shed a new light to the enormous amount of pottery which is found at the Orphard period. So thank you very much.


Okay, traders, welcome to this week's live market analysis session with me, Patrick Munnley. If you can hear me and you can see the Ticknell welcome screen, if you just type a Y in the chat box. Good stuff. Okay, let's get going here. Before we do start, as always, we want to adhere to the risk disclaimer. By now, I'm sure, we're all aware of the inherent risk involved in trading any financial instruments and the possibility of losing more money than you actually have on deposits. And secondly, and most importantly, for today's discussion, the views expressed by me today are solely mine. And they are not indicative or representative of Ticknell. Let me just turn off this seconds, just give some audio feeds. So yeah, not indicative of Ticknell. So before we jump into the charts, a brief introduction for those who are here for the first time. My name is Patrick Munnley, like I say, after I graduated from King's College, I joined a city PLC consulting firm. After a couple of years of learning the ropes, I left with a couple of colleagues and went on to co-found and successfully exit the consulting startup post a merger in late 2004. I then moved on to explore my passion for markets. So with some capital to play with and some time in my hands, I started day trading or more appropriately day gambling, the S&P 500. And after some early beginners luck, I wrapped up some solid gains. However, as is often the case, my beginners luck ran out and as the market phase changed, operating without a plan really or any idea of what I was doing. I began to average down into positions, very quickly gave back all my gains and ultimately I experienced a six figure financial hit on my personal capital. To say this is a gut wrenching and sobering experience is an understatement. I had to stand back and figure out if it was really feasible for me to make a living from the markets. So I decided to get serious about trading and sort out a mentor with an excellent track record in trading, working with that mentor over an 18 month to two year period. It was a period in which I up not just my technical game in terms of researching and developing a strategy to suit my personality, which I sent to me back and forward tested and developed a rigorous risk management approach. But most importantly during this period of mentorship I significantly developed my mental game. And probably the most important change I made or water shed shift so to speak was from being a highly oriented, highly goal oriented and focused on financial gains to becoming purely process oriented. So what does that actually mean well it means I have to stop focusing on what I could make from the markets and really start focusing solely on managing my mindset to allow me to consistently execute my trading strategy. Often in time, often during periods of negative feedback from the markets in the in the form of losing trades. But once you become process oriented and you have a professional trading mindset, and you understand the true nature of trading being really a numbers game in which you're simply playing the probabilities. You then can let go of the emotional attachment and investments and that hellish roller coaster of living and dying by the outcome of individual trades. I'm no longer concerned with the outcome of individual trades or a small string of trades. My focus is on the next 100 trades, because I know that if I focus on excellence in execution, my edge will demonstrate itself over an extended series of outcomes. My multi strategy approach has delivered annual positive returns since 2008. Since 2013, I've also been managing investor capital through my management account service, delivering annual positive returns. Sorry about that. And you can see the results of the management account service on the screen. And I'm now responsible for managing a multi million dollar portfolio. Since 2010 I've also personally mentored over 100 private traders of really all experienced levels from complete novices to former CME floor traders in developing the technical and mental skills to read consistent returns from the markets. I've started to numerous brokers and trading education brands, contributing written content webinars and live presentation on a range of topics from market analysis to trading strategy development and execution. In addition to my fund management and private mentoring. I'm also the resident market expert for TITMA providing market and trade analysis I provide a daily market outlook and a chart of the day which is a setup that I'm watching for the session ahead. My other passion project is as head of trading and trader education for a leading trading education brand called FXcareerswap.com offering development and more importantly funding to retail trading talent. At FXcareerswap we don't just develop retail traders market and trading strategy knowledge work on mindset development through a structure program that culminates in managing the firm's capital at zero personal financial risk on a profit share basis for those that are interested. If you want me to drop a link in the chat at the end of today's presentation I'll do so. And you can you can follow up on that separately. Okay, so that gives you a flavor of where I'm coming from so let's jump into into the charts. First of all, as we start new month October it's always useful to check in, or certainly it's something I do is check in with the seasonal patterns that may may play out in the markets during the month ahead. What you have on the screen here is a heat map that shows the best and worst months for each market. So what we can see here for October is the Australian dollar could could do some. We could see some positivity in terms of the Australian dollar, it being the third best month of the year for the Australian dollar. Back it's the worst month of the year during October and November, and the dollar index traditionally this is going back over a 20 year period. So we could see the October November period, the period period during which prices are supported now the slight, or the King with respect to this at the moment is that obviously we're heading into this election cycle, and, and that brings with it. One of the specific seasonal patterns, one of which I've highlighted previously is this idea that we will see weakness in terms of the equity markets, heading into into these elections, but historically once we get the election out out of the way. Then we could see, we could see risk assets pick up. So that said, let's, let's take a look at some of the charts that I'm watching at the moment and some of the patterns. Firstly, I want to highlight this fractal pattern that I've shared previously. This is the dollar index, the, the broad dollar index versus six currency pairs. What we can see here is the similarities in terms of the price action during the 2017 period into a into the December low, the January low for the dollar, and we're seeing a similar pattern play out this year. Now, as always, like I've said, with these fractal patterns we don't necessarily, we're not necessarily going to get the, the exact replica of price action, but we can use these as a guide for, for what we may see develop. And certainly at the moment this is tracking pretty well in terms of, in terms of the pattern, you can see here that we were looking for a low, a September low in the dollar index and then a move off those lows. So we've got a low just at the beginning of September, and we've since seen the dollar expand to the upside we're now seeing a pullback and I highlighted to the traders on my trading team this morning that we're actually seeing the same pullback, or potentially the same pullback that we saw during late 2017. So what does this mean? Well, when we look on the, the actual execution charts in a minute, you'll be able to see what I think we might, what we might be able to do in terms of trading opportunity using this, this fractal pattern, but certainly what we'd be looking for now is for the dollar index to carve out a secondary low here, and then extend to the upside into the elections really. And I think then post the election, we could see the next leg of meaningful downside in terms of the dollar index. So how does this feed into the majors? Well, similar story with the euro really. We're looking at this same pattern playouts here in the corrective phase for the euro in 2017, and you can see we're mirroring it pretty closely. And what we anticipate now is that we retest and hold these prior range lows in and around this 11750 to 11780 area. And again, in a minute, when we look on the execution charts, you'll see where I think where I potentially see the opportunity for a for a trading setup. So that's the euro similar deal with sterling. Different in terms of scale, that we're slightly different scale in terms of the pattern, but you can still see the similarities in price structure. And sterling would anticipate a, as is often the case with sterling sterling a messy corrective loads we made here, we're obviously getting headlines left, right and center at the moment with respect to the UK trade negotiations. Yes, coming into today, we had the EU striking a rather resilient turn in terms of the fact that they didn't see, didn't see talks progressing. And then lo and behold, an hour later, we get an FT reporter coming out saying that the UK government think everything's on track and, you know, we're going to get a deal and so that's whipsawing the price action around here. And I think that, you know, we can see this continue. Certainly we'll have tomorrow morning, the chief negotiator negotiators both Barney and Frost Barney also representing Europe and Frost UK. They'll do their press conference update tomorrow. So we can see some more wippy price action in terms of cable but ultimately what I think we could see here is a tradeable low in terms of cable, and then a move to the upside. Again, we'll look on the daily timeframe shortly. Dolly Yen continues to trade in a relatively tight range here, supported as I've highlighted in previous sessions below this, below this 105 level for now. And as it does, I think we've got scope to make a move up potentially to see 108 the Aussie. In terms of the Aussie I think we're coming into a potentially a corrective phase now obviously we have that seasonal pattern that I just highlighted that suggested some strength for the Aussie. I think we've got in terms of trading opportunities I think we've got a bit of work to do, potentially on the downside this would obviously coincide with the idea that dollar index is going to have a bit of a lift here. So I'm watching the Australian dollar and I'll show you that the actual trading pattern I'm looking for in a minute. Similar story in the loony here. I'm looking for, you can see that the similarities in terms of the downside here in 2017 made that low into September low here into September, and we've had this initial move off the lows and it's all out but ultimately we tracked higher. Again this would coincide with that idea of dollar indexing a bit more strength. So watching see if we can make another low here in around this 13260 area to get another leg of upside in terms of the loony. Suisse similar story I think we potentially going to carve out a rather tricky bottom here in terms of the Suisse you can see the similarities in terms of the scope and scale of price action that we saw during the 2017 period, replicating itself over here. And finally, we have the Kiwi. The story in the Kiwi really, I think we, we could have a nice trading pattern developing in the Kiwi and again, I'll go through that now and we look at specific opportunities. So those are the fractal patterns that I'm using just to as guidance really and see how they play out but certainly they've tracked very well, and I'm giving great trading opportunities using these as a, as a market map so to speak. So let's check in with the daily timeframe charts and look at some potential trading opportunities. So with respect to the Euro, I'm looking for the Euro to basically test, obviously first day of the month so we have new monthly pivot in place now monthly pivot comes in at 1780. We have the descending trend line resistance. 1790. We have all these prior lows here to potentially now act as resistance in around this area. So I'm watching for price action in this in this zone to potentially do something on the short side, looking ultimately really for a test or a retest of this high which will put us back down into the lower parallel channel here. So somewhere just below 115 would be the ideal objective for this corrective pattern to complete and then certainly I'll be looking on the upside so watching really how we respond at this 1770 to 1790 area as an opportunity to do something on the short side in the Euro dollar index. We have obviously had the inverse pattern playing out there. This is the broad dollar index like I say we're testing into the symmetry swing support zone here versus this last decline. We also obviously have ascending trend line support coming in just ahead of that we have the new monthly pivot 1943 40 so watch for potential reversal in this area to ultimately set up another leg of upside in the dollar index and what I'd ideally be looking for is is a move. So we take it down in here and then we get a third leg higher off this interim low here to take us up into this zone and that would broadly coincide with this the fractal pattern completing as it did in 2017 so this move and then from there we can see the decline resume in terms of the dollar index so let's see if we can hold this term line support watch for bullish reversal patterns in and around this 93 30 area to to ultimately give us an opportunity to do something on the upside. Obviously if we take out the monthly pivot and this more importantly this 93 20 area then all bets are off with respect to upside and we could could be resuming the downside so paying close attention to test some some pivotal areas here as we start the month. The loony was looking at this this morning we've held to the tick at the moment this symmetry swing support in the loony. We've got a nice reversal pattern from the from symmetry swing resistance I posted this as a chart of the day yesterday, if we can take out this the current days lows then I probably look at doing something on the short side here on the basis I can get in with a relatively relatively tight stop just above today's highs and the weekly pivot see if we can get down take out the monthly pivot and then we could see a roll over here in terms of the loony trading down to test this descending trend line projected support down to 128 at the moment though like I say we're holding that symmetry swing support pretty much to the pit and if we do then I think we can look for a five way pattern to develop here as the first leg of a corrective move higher. And so again if we go back to the fractal pattern here and we take and we check in with the loony. So you can see here we got that shallow pullback initial move off the low shallow pullback and then higher so that's what I'm watching with respect to the loony. You're we've just talked about a couple of other your trades that are quite interesting got the euro Aussie here and trading you know in a pretty well defined range obviously with with respect to the euro Aussie so we have. This is our range resistance which is held now numerous times and then obviously we have relatively well defined range support. She also has held numerous times so we're just trading within a nice nice range environment here offering about 500 pips. So we're at the midpoint of the range now if we can break down we're training below the new monthly pivot training below the weekly pivot, we've got the monthly VWAP which is now bearish. If we can take out the current lows that should flip the weekly VWAP bearish you've also got the daily VWAP bearish and we've got the RSI stochastic nice and negatively diverge there so that should open up I think a move to if we can take out the overnight lows here. We can get a move back down to test to test range support down to 6150. And again, you can use relatively tight risk reward in terms of these setups because when you get these, what I refer to as Asian range breaks, you can, you can use the days high plus 10 or 15 pips as a protective really great risk reward in terms of in terms of these setups. Euro Kiwi is another one that I'm watching, got an order in place on this and Euro Aussie. So, again, with respect to the Euro Kiwi we're holding slightly more narrow range but we've pinned it a couple of times now. And so what I look for is, is a move here in terms of the Euro Aussie to get us back down into range support. Now if you can take out range support and we can, we can get things going on the downside. And this has got scope then to move down to the broader range support down here towards the current weekly S3. So we could see this down at 172. But the first port of call is going to be, is going to be this 175 area. So, again, thinking in terms of risk and reward always with respect to to setups or chart patterns. But not every the markets always moving and you know there's endless opportunity, but to get successful and you know to really build a career in trading, what you have to be able to do is kind of identify asymmetric opportunities with respect to to risk reward. So what we're looking at here is like I say we're trading in the middle of the range if we get a break lower here we're going to take out to actually take out the monthly pivot. We're trading below the weekly pivot. So pressure building to the downside we've got the daily VWAP bearish nice big reversal candle yesterday from the range resistance. So if we get through this these overnight lows, then again what I'm thinking is from a protective stop perspective, getting a stop in 10 or 15 pips above the day's high, and seeing if this thing can break down and get down to to test that initial 175 if the buyers aren't home here, then we then we can look lower to 172 sterling obviously whipsaw of a day you can you can see the candles. Certainly, in some of these higher beta trades, we have we've certainly seen a whip around here. No, certainly here. So Cal, I mean, if you if you'd sold this pattern here, the equality objective at 172 44 one point this morning you're up 250 pips let's say, and now you're almost back to back to scratch on that. It's, it's tricky trading, especially where you've got these. Again, it's, it's, you're basically trading a new cycle, and that can be incredibly incredibly tricky and incredibly frustrating and incredibly costly. So nothing to do for me at the moment is selling, but certainly what I pay attention to is that is that we're coming back up now into test this monthly pivot for the first time from below 130 20. This is prior lows over here, so I'll be paying attention to how we respond here if we get through here. Then the upside starts to open up sterling and we could be taking a look at that 136, which is the long term trend line resistance that I've talked about in previous sessions. So paying attention to a close through 130 50 let's say, opening up 136 Aussie. So in terms of the Aussie, looking really for this trend line, this that we that we've been or this trend channel we've been trading in for most of the summer, looking to see if we can get a test now of the new trend line from below. You can see we've got this potential new trend line here. This will be the third test and as most of the guys who work with me know third test of the one I'd like to pay attention to. So we can ping up into the 73 area, certainly one paying attention to how price responds there because it could be an opportunity to get in on the short side in the Aussie here. There isn't one on the radar for next week probably similar story really in the Kiwi. This one I prefer actually we've got a potential head and shoulders scenario developing here. Since there we have. This is going to be our left shoulder. We've got our heads, double top here. Nice. We've got to look for our right shoulder to develop in and around here. So again, paying attention to price action as we trade into this 6715 area, watching potential reversal patterns to do something on on the short side through here, then the next stop in terms of the Kiwi. This will be up into third touch here at this trend line resistance ascending trend line resistance by that stage and this is something I really like to pay attention to is divergence. So we could, you know, we could easily we could work higher here through the 6720 get up and test 6850. But once we get up there want to pay attention to price action and certainly if the psychic in the case of momentum study back in testing into this descending trend line resistance. We have a really nice divergence trade on our hands. And I'm all meaningful top in place in terms of the Kiwi Cadien Cadien to make a retest of the monthly pivot and again, former trend line support potentially now actors resistance attention to Cadien, how we trade when we test up into this 7960 area. And let's just check in some of these risk markets. So, but the S&P, whilst we hold 3430 as resistance I'm still looking for 3137 on the downside. And this, you know, this corrective move could be over here. We've technically completed an ABC pattern for the earlier waivers amongst us. And from here, we, you know, we could easily make new highs. What I've been watching would be this trend line now. So if we get up through there into that 120, sorry, the 3720 area. And if I can just move this around or show you why this has additional significance because what we've got there is the 127 pivot extension. So this is a great topping pattern. And that's the significance of terms of the S&P. So if we can, if we do take out this swing high, and we get up through the prior highs, this is going to be a real area of interest, certainly as we head into these elections. At the moment, in terms of risk sentiments, we're really just being driven by stimulus, you know, will they won't they announce me stimulus bill. And sorry, more likely not they will announce this in this bill, and that will give the markets a sugar high.  No, but certainly, this is an area of interest for me and I've been long watching for and seeing if we do get into that area, because what again in terms of divergence, it appears unlikely to me that we will make a new high in terms of momentum. That's a nice divergence on our hands by the time we get up there. Now, it could be that we double top, which is another scenario in a game, double top with divergence high probability trading set up so paying attention to these two key levels in terms of the S&P. And so the Nasdaq already on it's already trying to make its move here that the Nasdaq into its trend into the top of its trend channel would actually be a 200% extension. Sorry, 100% extension of the decline to the upside again. These levels have a tendency to see reactions in terms of price so 1280, 128 C950 would be the area to watch in terms of the Nasdaq. Hasn't quite tested the support zone that I'm looking for. You can see now we've got a some resistance here developing I think around this 1940s. So if we can get into this 1940 area, get another leg of downsides to basically complete this corrective pattern then I become more constructive on gold. And certainly, as we head into the election and the the unknown election outcome and the potential for that the election to be contested. We might be moving past the idea of an election night or even an election week and we could be thinking in terms of an election month in the US that would create a huge amount of uncertainty. And as such, gold will probably catch a bid there so looking for ideally a move down to test this 1820 to 1810 area, and then like I say become more constructive on gold. Obviously this 1840 needs to hold as resistance. Crude oil. Whilst we have this swing high in place at 4130. I'm looking for a corrective pattern equality objective at 3393 for we see more upside and crude. And last but not least, copper here copper coming back up to the underside of its channel, and we're seeing a bit of weakness here. So that and certainly that will have implications for the commodity currencies. So whilst we hold the current swing high, and we can see copper get down to test support back in to these is 283 handle is is the area of interest. This gives you a brief overview of the opportunities I'm watching where I see opportunities developing and and how I'm looking to play the markets for the week ahead. So this stage I can open the floor to any questions if you've got a microphone, I can unmute your mic and you can ask me live, or you can just type in the chat box if there's a chart you'd like me to take a look at that I haven't covered. So that's, or like I say, raise your hand by the Q&A and I can unmute your mic. Charlie, basic question, could you quickly go over pits and tips. This varies Charlie depending upon the instrument you're talking about if it's, if you're talking about the futures like the S&P 500 or the E-mini S&P 500, a tick is 0.25 of a one full point or one full dollar. So if you're thinking about pips, a pip is the lowest percentage move possible. So, you know, here let's say 13289 point 13289 so we're going to trade 13290 we've moved one pip. You can see here this internal number that they've got, which is basically counting between 89 and 90, you could refer to that as a tick. So we generally in terms of, in terms of our migrating anyway, I'm always just thinking in terms of pips I'm not looking at a tick so sweet. Does that make sense Charlie? Good stuff. Any other questions? If you don't have a question, if you could type an N in the chat box that would be useful so that I know that we're all on the same page. Cameron, I'm long term EUROSD but yeah, I'm bullish the Euro Cameron myself. I'm just waiting for the entry level. Like I said that I'm looking at, I'm looking for a test this 115 before getting in on the long side. Now obviously if we take out this trend line resistance here, then I'd be looking at the potential for us to retest highs and break higher to test 121-122 but in terms of longer term I see as trading 130 plus Cameron is my view. I think we're just, you know, I don't know if you saw these prior slides but I mean to my mind we're moving into a secular bear market in terms of the dollar index. This chart gives you a rough idea of what it is I'm thinking in terms of the dollar so obviously the inverse then being true for the Euro. Does that make sense Cameron? Okay, if there aren't any other questions I'm going to wrap this one up here. I hope you all have a good weekend and a good week in terms of trading next week and we'll reconvene at the same time next week. Thanks very much for your time.


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We're doing 2020 Bowman Chrome Hobby 12 box case break round on teams number five or sorry number four actually Number five is actually on the website already already down to 25 left But this is break number four that sold out earlier today And again 30 spots all teams in all-card ship So let's roll the dice and we got ourselves a full six and a six 12 times one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven and twelve Down to Jeff twelve times here now one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven and twelve Blue Jays down to the Phillies Karen with the blue Jays Thomas of the Reds and Brewers Emery last one was a pirate Jeff with the Yankees Christian with the Dodgers Tony with the Angels Joe Pearson with the Royals Jeff A's TJ with the Red Sox Jeff with the Mets Sean with the Rangers Sean Maddock William with the Cardinals Richard fraud us with the Giants Karen with the Marlins Aaron Clark with the brave Sean Kirkham with the Mariners Ryan D with the Tigers Jeff with the D-backs David H big big was a little seven with the Colorado Rockies Matthew with the Orders Richard Madden with the Nationals Matthew with the Indians Jeff with the White Sox Sean Mercer you have the Cubs which fraud us with the twins Emery with the Padres Tony with the Astros Sean Kirkham with the rays and Jeff with the Phillies So again trade window is open You guys a minute maybe two Start proposing trades In the meantime we'll turn on Nick Kim and open up this case That way Interception Cubs national's and Rockies for trade any of you three wants to propose a trade between each other or if not I'm gonna close it in the next minute. 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But I'm really happy that Herbert actually got the start today although in unfortunate circumstances that Tarar got injured He's been doing pretty well today You're done. I know what happened Joey. Honestly, I mean, I wasn't watching the game. Obviously what happened, man We would have made my day so much better Matos Robert base Rosa Reina. I know that football makes you look pretty nice and so does the basketball mixture Hopefully we can do it one or both of those Denneberg, Longoria, Shimmer, Garcia, Colorado Go to David H, Zach Dunning Refractor, and Seth Brown Run Herbert, run for the first down. Kevin Smith. Oh, yeah, William, it probably is We often don't really do those those hip those like little filler pack breaks for a lore stone Thank you for reading the description of William, but yeah, I'm sure it's a I'm sure it's just a little He forgot to delete that part. 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If you've never had acupuncture before, it can be really difficult to know what to expect. Am I supposed to expect results in the next five minutes? When it begins? Should I expect them an hour after acupuncture? Two days? Seven days? Does it take five years? You know, most of us are accustomed to going to see our doctor and you're usually given a prescription and unless it's something acute and emergent and you need antibiotics you often don't go back that often. But Chinese medicine and most forms of holistic medicine are often built sequentially over time. Now in this video I want to share what I think of as the 48-hour effect of acupuncture as well as something else that will be very, very helpful in your healing journey. Hey, I'm Dr. Alex Hine, author of the Health Book Master of the Day, licensed acupuncturist and doctor of oriental or Chinese medicine. So I've included two very important links below this video. The first is if you'd like to become a patient of mine locally or via telemedicine, there's a link beneath this video to get more info and email me. And the second is for a free download on four daily rituals that can help you out years to your life with traditional Chinese medicine. That's a little case study and that is right below this video, the first link. Now one of the most common things that I've seen with my own patients is that sometimes what happens is that somebody comes in and they have a chronic complaint. The issue could have been there for six months or it could have been there for 10 years. And they say, you know, what do I expect with the acupuncture? Because almost all my patients are getting both acupuncture as well as a customizable formula. And the expectation is really not so clear. Do I come once, once a month, once every six months? And then when I explain that what I recommend is weekly in the beginning and then gradually getting more and more spaced out, people often want to know why. Now, one of the things I see the most often clinically is that let's say for example, you're coming in for anxiety and Zomia. You get acupuncture and you feel good, you feel different. The same day, maybe the next day and two days after. And that 48 hour window seems to be a pretty predictable magic window in acupuncture where people say, you know what, I saw you on Thursday and I felt really good Friday and Saturday. I felt calm. Those are my only two good nights of really good deep rest. But then after that, you know, like Sunday until our appointment today on Thursday, I'm kind of back to feeling the same. And I wanted to bring this up because that only is very common. It's very normal. There tends to be in acupuncture at the beginning a variable stick rate. Right? We say like how long did the treatment hold or how long was it efficacious for? And the 48 hour number seems to come up quite a lot as a middle number. You have people who will respond amazingly. You have people who won't respond at all. And then most people who are somewhere in the middle. And one of the ways I think about that is the degree of resources you are working with with that person. So a person who is very, very chronically ill or very, very elderly, and they don't have a lot of resources to manifest a healing response can take a long time to begin responding. But most people will respond from the first treatment and will have this kind of 48 hour effect. Now, the reason it's so important to know is that number one, if you feel better for 48 hours and then back to how you were before, that's okay. That's normal for a lot of patients, but in addition to that, the goal is that over time, those windows will get bigger and bigger and bigger. So let's say your migraines significantly decrease or your bloating decreases for just the 48 hours, the two days after treatment, but then it all comes back. Well, over the next maybe eight weeks, if I see you weekly or 12 weeks, or maybe I start to see you every third week in a month, but you're on a formula in intervening time. The goal is for that treatment to then be stretched out the three days to four days to six days, et cetera, et cetera. Now, that's also the value of taking Chinese formulas. Since that's the area I specialize in and internal medicine, my patients, if I see them once every three weeks, will often be on a formula every day, the intervening months, so that they're still getting those little like multiple acupuncture treatments every day by taking the formula of a dosage two or three times per day. So that's kind of the 48 hour effect is something to be expected. It's common, it's normal, doesn't mean anything's gone wrong, but over time that window will tend to expand longer and longer. And even if it doesn't, if you're taking formulas in between, that is something that is like getting acupuncture every day in effect.  All right, so this video, I just wanted to share a very quick clinical observation that I think is useful to know. I would have liked to know that. Again, if you'd like to learn more on becoming a patient of mine locally or via telemedicine, below this video you'll see a link for my clinic. And there's also a free download below the video, which has four daily rituals that can help you add years to your life with traditional Chinese medicine. All right, check those things out and before you go, I have two related videos on this topic right here.