I don't know what happened.   I hit go live and it worked, yeah. So if you want me to play the intro again, I could. No, that's okay. I would keep you dancing. I've heard it. They were probably singing it and waiting for us. Yeah. Well, you guys are still here anyway. So yeah, we had fun with that.  By sharing my screen. There we go. And say, we've got a big thing happening. We got a big thing getting ready to happen. We're getting ready to hit one million members. So what you do to help this happen, we're at 980. Let me look at real quick. 980, where are we? 998, 177. So we are so close to being there. So that's a lot of people being on our, yeah, so. And there's a guess. There's a G2G post where you can guess. Great, Steve Greenwood put it up. Guess the day and the time that we're gonna hit. The million. That's pretty cool. I didn't see that. Where can you see the running total of members? Is it on the homepage? Here we go, here we go. Okay, here's this tab. So it's the one million member pool. When will we cross? All right, so I'm gonna move that up. Yep, there we go. And as some of you may have noticed, we're rather close to crossing one million. So they're doing a guess. So this post serves as a place for existing members to guess. Don't post a comment, people. Post a real live June 5th at 116. Graham Olney says, Star Wars Day. May the 4th. Of course. See what you, yeah. It might be the 18th at 6 p.m. It might be. That doesn't sound like a very solid guess. Let me, okay. So head on over there and do that if you want to check that out. Hey, everybody. Good morning. Hey. Good morning. People talking about food in the chat this morning. John Tynor's here. Hey, John Pop Tarts. I love Pop Tarts. Yeah, I used to like them as a kid, but I don't know, cardboard with jelly slanted on it. And then crunchy frosting, you know. Yeah, so sweet potato souffle. Sweet potato souffle, but not with marshmallows. She likes the sweet potato castor. That's anti-patic. Nice. Southern girl, so. What's that? I'm just wondering about that, yeah. We never grew up with sweet potatoes, but one Thanksgiving a few years ago, we started it. We did a Thanksgiving, or sweet potatoes with marshmallows and, yeah. So now we always do it. Did you like it? We did. Oh, we always do it now. It's a cloud. Except the one year when I was in charge of the marshmallows, and I thought more is better. More is not necessarily better. More's are better, more's are better. Yeah, well, the way we do it, we do it as a souffle, and the very top of it has brown sugar and pecans. Oh, that's awesome. They're caramelized and toasted, and it's so good. June, but God. Look at her pancakes. She's a woman after my heart, she truly is. You're living the dream. Living the dream. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Saturday Morning's livecast. We haven't even started yet, and we're just, we're off on our own little things. Good morning to everybody, or hello to everyone who's watching us afterwards too. That's right, yes. Yeah, we're gonna, if you're watching the recorded version, come back and watch us again, and again, and again, if you wanna see us again, and again, and again. Congratulations to Betsy. Betsy was a part of a competition this week, and she did really well. And congratulations to Greg. He walked away with a very prestigious award from the Ontario Math, let's show it, show it. Ontario, yes. There was the Provincial Math Conference was this week. I actually did a workshop on genealogy and mathematics, and I was also presented with an award for outstanding contribution to mathematics. And Greg, Greg, besides doing it at the mathematics, he's much more excited about that. He'll also be presenting that presentation at the Eastern Systematic Genealogy Conference in Maryland in October.  So yeah, I am on my sofa. Oh no. Yeah, I need it by the fourth. So I've left the chipmunks who do the tech stuff in our house know that we need to get my computer back up and running by then. So whose computer are you using? I'm on my laptop. It was my desktop that blew up, where I usually sit and do my, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we had, our oven is blown up, so yeah. We had a lot of stuff blow up. I don't know what happened. So was it a lightning strike? I don't know, I was at the cottage, so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.  Really? Yeah. We'll talk about that in a minute. So good morning everybody, welcome. And if you want to see us again, go back and watch our recording. Make sure you give us an upvote down there at the bottom.  How many minutes are we already into this? Already. If you. We're already, you said seven minutes, okay. Yeah. Yeah, let me, let me get my screen share going again. Here, screen share. And where do I have it? There we go. Just make sure I have it in the right place. Question of the week. Oh, while you're finding that. You see this? It's June's wedding anniversary. Oh. It is. What? It is, it is June. Yeah. Bonne fête. Bonne anniversary. So here we go. Let me get my screen up bigger, bigger and bigger. The question of the week was a fun one this week. What's a funny anecdote that you found in your research? Can you imagine that we did find some funny anecdotes? Thank you very much for whoever just did that.  Question of the week. What's your funny anecdote? What have you found? What funny story have you found while doing genealogy research? 19 answers. Not a lot of answers, but thank goodness, because there were some novels in here. There's two in this one, but I really like this, is Lucy Draper moved to and died in Union County, South Carolina. The cemetery was located on their property about 70 years ago. The South Carolina Department of Transportation decided to build a road right through the cemetery. And I wouldn't travel that road at night and check this out. There's a car trailer to do all those. Oh. Yeah, yeah. There's another one that the SCDOT on I-85 heading north outside of Spartanburg towards Charlotte, that there's a cemetery that's in the middle of the median. But it's like in the median up on a hill. And so that one, they just went around it on either side of the road. And here's another great picture. So long with that. I think that's his, he does them up this week. Is that Donald Draper? David Draper. Donald Draper was from Ad Moon. Oh, right. Yes, that's right. Donald Draper was the madman. That's hilarious, Greg. David Draper. So let's see. Yeah. Have you seen his profile? When I was opening the profiles for Profiles of the Week, I guess he's the week you can remember the week, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. I opened his and I didn't realize. And so I was reading and I thought, where's the connection to the theme? But it was just so hilarious. I don't have to share that. OK. Yeah, I'm not going to do that right this second. But that sounds like fun. Yeah. Dear A1, my great-great-grandfather Charles Glenn has a birth certificate in New York City. In 1871, written in German and English, he was delivered by Mrs. Stork. That is great. And then Anonymous Reed says, oh, that's a good one. I was delivered in early April by Dr. Lamb. That was cool. Yeah. Let's see. A lot of these are stories about how people met. My aunt recently told me a story that after World War II, when they moved from the country back to Lisbon near Belfast, her elderly great-aunt accompanied them. Their city house had no electricity. The aunt kept complaining that the electricity didn't work because it wouldn't turn on the oil lamps. She would flip the switch and the oil lamps wouldn't come on. Right. It's taken you guys a few minutes to get that one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Let's see, my second great-grandfather, that was from Eric Bain, from Kathy Webster, my second great-grandfather, Jacob Bonham, was a police officer in Cincinnati. He seemed to get mentioned in the papers quite a bit from various shenanigans. That's great because, as genealogists, we want to find that. By far the best article I found was the story of him working as a night watchman at Spring Grove Cemetery, going to investigate a noise he encountered, a swan. Apparently the swan was named Jack. The swan reportedly, as being four feet tall, attacked Jacob and succeeded in carrying away a handful of Jake's whiskers. That's funny, if you guys know swans and they're very protective of their turf. They can be quite a group. Yeah. Yeah, they can. Let's see. No, not that one. I love this one. While researching my third great-grandfather, Asa Lord Gardner, I found this for an article in the Scranton Republic in 1896. This is from Kathy Bauer. Must clean sidewalks for offenders arrested and fined by Mary yesterday. The mayor took a decided stand yesterday morning in the matter of enforcing the order with regard to cleaning of the sidewalks of Snow and Ice, A.L. Gardner, Harry Brown, Mary, Harry Walker, and G. Overturn were, before his honor yesterday, charged with the offense and each mulked, not sure what it, a dollar and 25 cents, mulked in MUL, I don't know if that was a typo or... Is that a fine? This is hilarious. Look at this. Margaret Jesse Takenby. This is Richard Cheek, obituary index used Takenby, taxed from the headline and indexed by my cousin by Takenby and not her actual name. So Margaret Best Takenby Death. Isn't that, look, that's A.I., A.I. How would you ever find that? Wow. Yeah, yeah. Who would think to look for that Takenby? You would hope that some astute genealogist doing a transcription maybe set it up correctly in the indexes? Yes, yeah. That's funny though. I like that one. That might be the best one, who knows. And I just like that Kay Smith. Kay, now if you follow our Saturday morning question of the week, Kay Smith often has very interesting commentary on himself or other people's posts. So I'm just saying the majority of my relatives seem to have focused on drama, not hilarity. Now, I don't believe that. Okay, just saying Kay. Oh, this is kind of funny. So in the late 70s, this is Richard Leach and he's kind of telling on himself, but we'll let him do that. So in the late 70s, I hung out with a friend who had a cousin in the Newport Fitzfield area of Maine. We'd go down to Brooklyn, Maine to the area outside of Waterville to hang out and my cousin and his cousins. France, one day, one of the group told me a story about his grandfather, seems the guy, a young fella, was working on highway construction in the early 1900s and was storing dynamite in his parents' basement. Oh, is this story gonna end well? No. One night the dynamite blew. His parents ended up in their bed in the basement. I think the guy said there weren't any injuries. That's a good thing. Okay, roll ahead to the 1990s. I'm living in Lowell, Massachusetts and I headed to Springfield one day with my mother's 1940s photo album looking for her relatives. Of course you did.  I visited three of her cousins after quite a research in the family. I visited a name of Pete. He told me a very similar story about my grandfather. I commented on hearing that story from a young guy in Maine and they said that was their son who was working in a textile mill in Waterville. Small world, small world. It was his grandfather. Isn't that funny? And he had heard the story. Oh, when he heard the story first, he didn't realize it was his own family. No, no, no. Oh, wow. Interesting the stories we don't pass down. That would be a story that I would be telling. Oh, wow. I don't know about you guys. Let's see, my second great-grandmother, widow's practical joke. I'm gonna, it's a long story. I'm gonna paraphrase it for you. So this lady who was a widow, she decided to make her friends, stop telling her she needed to get remarried. And so she sent out wedding invitations to all of her friends, invited them over for a specific time. She had a big curtain set up behind which everything was gonna take place. She was gonna open the curtains and all of this. And she, everybody gets there at 7.30. She says, I'm sorry, he just texted, or just called. This was way back when. He just called and he stuck at the train station but he's on his way. And so eventually she goes out and everybody's really curious and somebody goes and pokes their head behind the curtain and it's a mannequin. It's not a real wedding. No. Her friends stopped bugging her to do that. So yeah, isn't that funny? Epic, epic joke. Let's see. I like this one on. So here's the story about how my paternal grandparents met. Dad told me the story. John Miller from a small town in Oklahoma. In 1956 and 57, he was in Korea on the way home. They stopped in Japan. They went to an army base in Washington state. My grandmother, Charm Galloway, what a great name, worked at the army base. The night the soldiers returned, there was a party being held in their honor. My grandmother was a big Elvis fan. My grandfather hated Elvis. My grandmother went up to the jukebox during the party and put a quarter end to the machine and played the latest Elvis song.  She then walked up to my grandfather who was talking with his friends and punched him. Lo and behold, the two of them got married. Somewhere in between the punch. Yeah. Yeah. Sparks flew. Maybe the stars that he saw in his eyes were like, oh, look, it's an angel from heaven. Very similar story of, wait, here's a, this is a good one. This is a story of shenanigans that people play in the countries when somebody gets married. So one of these, and I don't know if she actually names what it is, but they used to get out in the house, surround the house and fetch the couple by screaming and yelling and partying outside the house like the night of the wedding or whatever. So granddad and grandma eloped because they lived on a farm and she lived in her parents' town. And they didn't want her to marry him because she thought he could do better. Well, after the marriage, they had to go back to the farm and they moved in with his mother who was deaf. And they hear the headlights. I see the headlights coming down the country road and the lights got turned off and they didn't pass the house. So they slipped out the back door and they did. The friends came to the house and started beating on the pans, making quite the noise. But nobody came to the door, but they could see that the deaf mother was sitting inside who didn't move because she didn't realize all this was going on. Well, after a while, the friends realized that newlyweds were in their midst, making as much noise as the rest of them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Only once were they discovered that they invited their friends in. That's a great story. I love that. That is good, yeah. Love it. Oh, let's see. Five times in all five husbands died a year before, a year and a half before the marriage was, yeah, after the marriage was not, no, no. I don't have one of those black widows. Let's see. No, no, no, no. Let's look here. I'm looking for one specifically. Oh, that's pretty funny. Okay, so my grandmother went, was active in the national politics and local government in Knoxville, Tennessee. Back into the early 1900s, when her children were young and in grammar school in the early teens, she played a very active role in the PTA. The school's floors had cracks between the boards. This is a bad part of the story. It was a two-story building you could see between the floorboards and bad weather. Some of the children wouldn't go outside so they messed themselves. And unfortunately, it went through the floorboards occasionally, not a good thing, not a good thing. So my grandmother, along with the PTA members, tried numerous times to persuade the school board to install restrooms to no avail. They wouldn't put restrooms inside the school. So they came up with a solution and forced the school board to install the restrooms inside on Halloween night. The PTA members and the grandmother took big ropes, pulled the outhouse down. That stopped succeeding in getting the school board to install the inside bathrooms. There you go. Oh, let's see. G.I. Bill Clarkson College. My grandmother grew up in the town and operated stable. She was riding her horse past the college when my father started to tease her. She turned her horse around and chased him into the building. Yes, they started dating shortly after that. It's funny, I have a friend who just is refurbishing an old cabin up in the Appalachians up in North Carolina and is new. And they go up and stay at the cottage, at the cabin while they're working on it. Well, today she left the dogs out really early this morning for them to do their business. And she's got these really big French, I don't know what kind of dogs they are, but they're like mastiffs. And she left the dogs out. And apparently there was a forte run that was going by her house. The dog, one of the dogs chased one of the runners. Oh no. I just thought I'd share that. I made me think of that. Isn't that awful and funny? Awful, funny anyway. Oh yes. I would, I asked her if the guy won the race. I was gonna say it probably improved his time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, let's see, let's see. Oh, now this is kind of funny from Susan Ellen Smith, irony. I am from a Smith family that's long lived in Long Island for several years. There's a Smith town and the Smith town is named after Richard Bull Smith. My friends always thought my family was related to the old legendary Bull Smith. I joke because there's a story about him and local natives in a bull. Cow tipping is what I can think of. I don't know what was going on. But the joke is on my ex-husband. When I did the family tree on Ancestra, I discovered that Richard Bull Smith is actually his eighth great-grandfather. Isn't that funny? Oh, let's see. All right, another great story. Oh, and Brian always has such great information. been so blessed to have been found, but found and convinced the archivist at what was then the College of Cape Breton to create a digital copy of an interview. Researchers made about people from the coal mining area of Cape Breton and my great-grandmother Elizabeth Baxter in June 1977. Now, he didn't post a link to that article. I'm assuming it's online and available somewhere. How cool. There's over an hour, one hour of some beautiful memories shared, many stories. One of them was a home remedy where somebody got whooping cough and they took him into the mine and made him sleep on the floor. And that remedied, in a coal mine, it's gonna remedy that whooping cough. Yeah, they would be going, the CPA would be going, the Children's Aid Society would be going, but there's a cute family of all of them. Isn't that fun? And then finally, there's a picture. This guy, Eric Weddington, Eric, I don't know if you're in here today, going through pictures from the family and he sees a picture of, let's see, Aunt Bessie, my wife's, Bessie was my wife's mother's much older sister who passed away several years ago. There's a cat sitting next to Aunt Bessie in the picture, in one of the pictures. And he stares at the photo for a bit and he says, well, it kinda looks like a lion come to me. I don't know why they would have such a thing. Well, five or 10 minutes later, they come across a paper about Bessie. It was a short biography about her when she was in the nursing home, apparently. And here it was, Bessie had a lion for a while. Some connections to Ringling Brothers at Barnum and Bailey Circus. How fun is that? And then I said, where's this picture? You should be, we should post the picture and send a copy to Sarah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so those, those are our questions of the week. And I hope you enjoyed that, that's fun. Let's see, Brian says it is an audio file that I've used. Oh, it's cool, and videos and stuff, that's nice. Nice. But I don't have the whole file online, but I still post a link to one of your snippets there. Brian, that would be cool to see, that's fun. Okay, so that's the question of the week. And, yeah, yeah. So I'm still picturing the guy in the North Carolina mountains running as fast as he can. Probably finished the race and went way far beyond. Yeah, the poor guy. Okay, so, so yeah, it looks, I'm just on the Wiki Tree homepage right now and it does, there is a number here. So I'm wondering if that's, so when we started the live cast, it was 900, yeah, 998,183. If I refresh the page, let's see. It was 997, wasn't it? Was it? I think so. Oh, 189. What was it before? Was it 183? Now it's jumped to 189. You said it was 997. Well, now it's 998, 189. So we've got six more users in, since we started our live cast. Yeah. I wonder if our tech people, our webmasters can make it so that we see the remaining number to one million. In addition to that, you know. It was 998, 177 when we started. Oh, so I hit this after you started talking about the number and it was 183 at that point. Now it's 189. Wow. Keep it up, kid. We're just, yeah. Well, from my workshop yesterday, we got one more Wiki Tree member from that. So I helped contribute to the one million. There you go. So it's 1,811 left to go. That's pretty cool. I think that they should send a text message out to all of us. Like an early warning siren for a tornado. One million. One million. Now, Hilary says she doesn't have, they don't have many new members. She's greeting. Interesting. I wonder what rate warrants, you know, many new members at a time. So I don't know. I might have pulled up that number before the live cast, but it wasn't long before the live cast. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So before I go into the profiles of the week, which are all about police officers, let me just show you Dave's profile. Where's Dave's profile? Oh, funny. Because I opened up his along with all the other profiles that I'm gonna talk about by mistake. Well, I mean, I wasn't paying attention when I just clicked on the list. Yeah. First off, he's a caricature.  I think, hmm, I don't recognize what, you know, police officer, you know, character that's from, but maybe it's from a cartoon.  That's nice. You know, I'm reading down, born in the 50s. Okay, that's fine. And then I'm thinking, wow, look at this extensive page with, you know, all these sections. Wow. The person who did this profile was, and then this is the, you know, he has his, you know, the information, the bullet point information about it. So left hand information entered by Dave Draper registration, I think, wow, a famous police actor who entered their own information on WikiTree. I mean, I was clueless. It took me a long time to clue in what I'd done than the birth. No actual name, like, I mean, at this point I'm thinking, wow, but then I read the stickies here. Is it large enough for you to read? Dave Draper is living the dream in McLean County, Illinois.  I thought, where can I add that? And then the next one, David spends way too much time on WikiTree added by his wife. Then the marriage and the children, burial, death to be announced, burial. During donations of science, maybe doctors can find how genealogy can make a brain go insane. Currently best remembered for neglecting family and friends, spending too much time down the rabbit holes on WikiTree, helping others find their ancestors. That's a good thing to be remembered for. I like this one, upsetting my family by constantly giving updates of family discoveries. What no one remembers. You don't know that one. Yeah, and so what no one remembers is actually probably his professional life.  Lifetime sign painter and sign builder. He's an artist, paints and does music. He's done a CD album with 12 original songs and a performer played piano at the surgical waiting area of the local hospital. When I thought, okay, well, was he playing piano while his wife was giving birth? You know, was he doing that? Oh, yeah. You know, anyways, I'm guessing this is- Does he do these cartoons? He, I think he does. Isis, and then he's got, but anyway, you go further and he's got, he's collected stories and family trees and pictures of the tombstones of his, like it's very impressive. So kudos to you, Dave, for being- Right. Wikitree member of the week. I mean, that alone is worth an honorable mention, but your profile is just, is just amazing. So way to go. So I just think that's fantastic. We don't often celebrate the Wikitree member of the week on, maybe we should start doing that more often. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I just wanted to share that with you because he was, that was very cool. So, but the actual, the theme for all the other profiles is which TV police officer are you most closely connected to? And in keeping with the past ones, I've got a little map here. Here's where they all are. Most of them are actors who have played police officers in American television or Canadian, American, there's a Canadian as well. But there is one French person and one from Australia. Indigenous person from Australia, an Aboriginal actor. So that's where it is. But what's interesting, so last time I mentioned how I, you get that list and you do, you find the Wikitree ID of all of them, you put them in the search text. So that gives you the 11 profiles and you click the link to the map. But I thought I'd just show you that when you're on the map, you can actually customize what you see on the map. And so I had to go into, I went into the background and opened up and clicked on the open street map. You could click on Google Maps as well. Both of them will give you the map of the world as a background. And then under Persons, you can choose what information you wanna overlay. So you can actually color it. If you color it by century, then instead of blue and, instead of those colored dots, red for birth and blue for death, you get all the different colors based on the generation. Now, because they're all current actors, they're all in their century, they're all in the current century. So that's kind of boring in this scenario. But what's interesting is you could also put the migration. And so what it does is it adds little arrows. So if you have location and dates in your Wikitree profile, it'll show where you moved at certain times. And look at this, what's really telling is, look how many people were born on the Eastern keyboard and moved to Hollywood. Right? So I thought that was kind of a neat thing. So getting down to business, here we have the main profile of the week, Lance Solomon Reddick, born 7th of June, 1962 in Baltimore, Maryland, died on St. Patty's Day this year, 2023, at the age of 60, way too young. American actor and a musician. His best known, of course, for playing Cedric Daniels in the HBO series, The Wire, and also Philip Royles in Fringe, and for playing Sharon in the John Wick series of films. And I don't know if he was starting to, if he was in the one that's the most recent one, or the, is there still one more that's being made? John Wick, I can't recall, but. I don't know. But anyways, way too early. Somebody in the chat will probably tell us. Yeah, I'm sure. But he started off as a musician. He went to school, studying classical composition at the Eastman School of Music in Rochester, New York. But when his music career didn't take off, he moved into acting, and went to the Yale School of Drama in 1991. And then, of course, he landed the role as the Baltimore police officer in The Wire and then went on Fringe, which had John Noble, but I didn't, I actually haven't, I only saw the, I've only seen the first bit of the first season of Fringe. I think I'm gonna have to go back and finish that one, because I didn't realize Leonard Neumann was in it. And then he's also voiced some characters in video games in another series called Bosh. It says, and then he says he died. And I don't, doesn't say the cause of death. Was it cancer, or do you know, anyone remember? I did not think to look that up in time. Anyways, 60 is way too young. And there's also, there's a wiki tree shorts video on Lance. Oh, nice. Yeah, so if you just look in the channel, it's, yeah. Yeah, shows his. Very cool. So here's that French, the European dot that we saw, Bruno Jean-Marie Crémet, Nélesis-Octobre, 1929, à Saint-Mendé, et moi le 7 août 2010, à Paris, de Narteur Franco-Belge. Anyway, there is an actual in English, English biography, but basically it's, you know, he was born on the 6th of October, 1929, died the 7th of August, 2010 in Paris. He's French in Belgium, in origin. And he's best known for playing Jules-Mont-Magré. Actually, I think I thought it was Jean-Magré, but in the series, television series with that name. Anyways, Magré is a very famous French detective. Trying to think of the author, I can't remember the author offhand, but I have read one of his novels, very good. His father was the writer Stephen Crémet. No, he's the father of a writer, Stephen Crémet, Stephane Crémet. And then moving on, Angie Dickinson, who was the star of Police Woman. She was born Angie Brown. Her parents were Leo Henry Brown and Frédéric Herr. She became Angie Dickinson in 1952 when she married a football player named Jean Dickinson in 1952. Later, she married composer Bert Brockrock. I didn't realize that. Yeah, Bert Brockrock, famous for many, many popular songs. That's exactly what I was gonna say in Closet and Rain Drops. And there's a nice candid photo of the two of them, yeah. But Police Woman wasn't her first. She first got into acting in 1954, New Year's Eve of all days in an episode of Death Valley Days. Hadn't heard of that, but and then she appeared in many anthology series, Western's Gun the Man Down in 1956 with James Arnes. She was in the film Rio Bravo with John Wayne and got Golden Globe Award for the new star of the year. So that's coming back. 50 different films over her career. And then it was 1974 that she had a hit in the story, in the anthology series, Police Story, and so popular that she got her own show, Police Woman. I loved that show. Yeah, I don't think we ever watched it.  Did you get a lot of US channels? No, we only got the Canadian channels, CBC and CTV and then Global when Global came along, but it wasn't even an option originally until later, until high school, I think for me. But so we'd get some American stuff on. Like the last profile, the FBI show, that came on one of the channels that we watched. So I'd seen that one, but Police Woman, I hadn't seen. Or maybe it just wasn't something that my parents like watching. So it's not like- You were aware at all. Growing up, one did not, we didn't have a lot of control of the TV set, you know, most nights. Now this guy, I love Don Knotts, Jesse Donald Knotts. Born on the- He is my closest, of course. He and Leslie Nielsen are my closest. And I also, Greg, or Betsy, he's one of your closest. He's one of mine too, I think.  Yes. And 21 from Kyra Sedgwick. Yeah, Kyra Sedgwick and Don Knotts are your closest. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, the two comedians are mine. I just love him. I mean, I've seen the shakiest gun in the West, I don't know how many times. But I need to watch it again, because it's just such a classic. I just love it. Anyways, maybe it doesn't stand up the test of time. Maybe it's too silly, but I still love it. Anyways, born 1924, Morgantown, West Virginia, passed away at the age of 81, which still seems too young for him, 24 February of 2006 in LA. He was a native West Virginian, was an actual veteran of the World War II. And this is, I love, is that, so he actually won a number of medals, the World War II Victory Medal, the Philippine Liberation Medal, the Asiatic Pacific Campaign Medal with four bronze service stars, Army Good Conduct Medal, I'm sure he's a kid. But he won the Marksman badge in the honorable service lapel. He won a badge for being a Marksman. And then one of the best movies he ever did, I think, is the Shake He Has Gone in the West. I mean, that is true. And on Mayberry, how many times did he shoot himself in the foot? I know, Barney Fife. Yeah, like, really, it's just hilarious. I just think it's great. The Ghost in Mr. Chicken, Donna Garver versus that one up. Yeah, the incredible Mr. Limpit. Now, I don't think I've, have I seen The Ghost in Mr. Chicken? Maybe once. It's pretty funny. Okay, I'll have to watch, I'll have to find these movies somewhere. There must be a service where you can watch them for free. Or maybe they're part of, I don't know, does Netflix have those? Well, if you just, Well, I'm just researching. Just Google the movie. It'll tell you all the places you can find that movie. Okay. I'll have to do that afterwards. Okay, great. Anyways, and it looks like this is a quote from an obituary here. And it's with Jesse became one of the best-loved characters of all. For it was Jesse, Jesse Don Knotts, who brought us Barney Fife. Oh, nice. Very neat. James Oswald Liffle. So, okay, so if you notice this time, I have to keep increasing, every time I go to a new tab, I have to keep increasing it. I'm using Safari this morning, instead of Chrome for my Wiki Tree profiles. And I have got, you can see, I don't know if you can tell or not, but I have the browser extension installed because we're working through getting that working. So I'm testing it out. And it's working really cool. One of the things about the browser extension is one of the options is putting a quick link to the categories at the top of the profile so that you can, if you want to get to the categories, you don't have to keep scrolling and scrolling, you can just click on this. And it'll take you. I love that feature of the browser extension, yes. Well, you hovered, but if you click it, it actually takes it to you to it. Right. Or it should click it to see if it works. No, uh-oh. Oh, there it is. No, it still didn't take it to it, but it did show it to you, so. Yeah. Yeah. And Chrome, it takes you down all the way down. If you hovered, it'll give you the categories in that little window and then it'll take you. That's how I always get down to yours so fast. Ah, good. I was gonna say. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a cool thing. Anyways, moving on. So James Oswald, Jimmy Little. This is our person from Australia. Born on the 1st of March, 1937 in New South Wales, passed away at the age of 75, the 2nd of April, 2012. Again, New South Wales, Dubo, New South Wales. So it starts off saying, you know, there's an excellent biography, already exists for this Indigenous singer, musician and actor and teacher. And then it has a link to his biography in the Australian Dictionary of Biographies and the Indigenous Australian Dictionary of Biographies. So this profile is not meant to compete with them, but just to emphasize the ancestry.  So if you want to find even more details, you can go to those. He's born, talks about where he was born on the Kumurajunga Aboriginal Mission of New South Wales on the side of the Murray River, which had been established in 1883 after the governor of New South Wales had petitioned for a place to call home. The name means our home, so that's neat. He's the eldest of five surviving children of Ewan Mournarow-Man, James Edward Little, who himself was an entertainer and a gumleaf band musician. Gumleaf? Yeah, gumleaf.  And even though she may not be in the same exact place, she may know that, but I'm going to go with gumleaf. Gumleaf? What is it, gumleaf? Gumleaf musician. Yeah. Oh, okay. There's a YouTube video. Okay. And they actually have a leaf of a plant that they play. Really? Oh. They blow on the leaf. So the vibrations probably make different tones, right? Yep. Wow. Interesting. That's amazing. You have to check out that video. Yeah. That's right. He went, he became- Oh, that's funny. They're going out, they're in the video right now. They're walking out and he tells me, we have to be careful to make sure there's no snakes in the grass. No snakes in the grass? Yeah, you wouldn't want that. He's like, I'm not playing that. No, no. Okay. He started out bean picking on the south coast of New South Wales. Then had to go back to school because he was too young at this point. Then he performed at local concerts and went on to the amateur hour radio talent show in Sydney in 1953. Came a singer, songwriter, guitarist, influenced by Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Jim Reeves. And then he went to live in Sydney. Moved to Western Sydney, they had a daughter. And then he became a teacher. He became a teacher at a Betsy in 1970 and then turned to acting. And then unfortunately, kidney failure happened in 2002 and some other complications and such. So anyways, very impressive. Nice photos there too of the families. Helen Mirren. Dame Helen. Dame Helen Mirren, yes. So her connection to this category was her portrayal of Detective Jane Tennyson. So I don't know if you've seen any of those shows that she's quite good, quite good in that. And obviously like the character, the brilliant character, but she also has to put up because it takes place, 70s or 80s, maybe 80s, still has to put up with a bunch of BS from male colleagues and stuff. And she portrays that and that struggle and that frustration really well because she's just such an amazing actress. But she was born in, born 26th of July, 1945 in Hammersmith, London, England. Her parents were Vasily Mirrenov and Kathleen Rogers. Her ancestry is mixed. Her mother came from a very large family with children being born in various parts of London. Now, this is a protective profile, so I can't edit it, but there is a mistake here. So someone who can edit it, if there's anyone on the chat here who's part of this group who can edit this protected profile, it says her paternal grandfather, Henry Rogers, but that's wrong, it's her maternal grandfather, her mother's grandfather. Mother was Rogers. Her father's line is Russian. So this should be her maternal grandfather. Came from Whitcombe in Somerset and he was a master butcher. The butcher, in fact, for Queen Victoria. Wow. Yeah, but her father, Helen's father is Vasily Petrovich Mirrenov, born in Russia in 1913, but came to England two years old when he was two-year-old just prior to the Russian Revolution. He came from Russian nobility. His father, Pyotr Vasilyevich Mirrenov, was a aristocrat, as was his grandmother, whose name was Lydia, where Helen got her middle name. And Pyotr had served as a colonel in the Imperial Russian Army and was descended from Count Mikhail Fedorovich Makhmensky, who was a general in the Napoleonic Wars, so very cool. The silly changed his name to Basil to Anglicize it. Apparently he played viola in the London Philharmonic Orchestra, but during World War II he became an ambulance driver and served during the Blitz. Now, I have. Oh. So that's kind of cool, right? So, but I thought it was very cool. His, her father played the viola. So I was wondering, if Helen's father owned a number of those instruments and they were all painted green, but then there was a serious earth-shaking thunderstorm, you could say that Vasily's various vertiginous violas vibrated violently. Some nice alliteration there. I saw, I saw the beginning of that sentence and I just had to go with it. Mags is speechless. I know. Mags leaves me speechless a lot. Maybe I'll just park it on the side of the stage here. Yeah, there you go. How did it fade? I don't know where you think you are, Buster. I just had to go there. I'm looking for the thing that goes butt on bumps. I'm looking, I'm gonna just keep talking. If I find out, I'll let you know.  But what was cool is when she was raised in an area, Leon's Essex, which is apparently a very anti-monarchist environment. And again, another irony, she grew up in an anti-monarchist environment, but one of her most famous roles is playing Queen Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth. In fact, she's the, according to this, she's the only actress who's played both Elizabeth, Elizabeth I and Elizabeth II. That's fascinating. That's kind of cool. She dared. She dared. But then of course, the role which qualifies her for this category or for this profile of the week is her one with the, as Jane Tennyson in prime suspect, which I talked about. Oh, another thing about the gum leaf is if you want to play one, you have to keep it in your pocket or they crack. That hurt yourself. Just updating on the instruments situation there. Okay, cool. Neat. Okay. I will put that away and we'll move on. Noriyuki Morita, or Pat Morita. American film, television actor, best known as Arnold from Happy Days, Matsuo Arnold Takahashi. Also, Mr. Murat, probably even more well known as Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid movies. Well, I say that, but I wonder, do people watch the Karate Kid movies still these days? It's a classic. It's a classic. Wax on, wax off. Exactly, yeah. Then he was also, so yeah, I think it's classic. He also was, I didn't realize this, but he was the voice of the emperor of China in the Mulan animated film by Disney. I hadn't realized that. And also, Sanford and Son, we talked about Sanford and Son a couple of weeks ago, he played Achu in Sanford and Son. I remember there was a, yeah, there was. You never get away with having a character name like that these days. You would never get away with having a character name like that these days. No, you wouldn't, no, no. But that was back in the early, that was back in the 70s. I mean, I don't think you could have a show like All in the Family with Archie Bumper. No. There's a lot of TV that was in today's. All in the Family was a character of life, so maybe you could. Maybe, if people realized. Anyways, here's our Canadian content for this week. Okay, okay, of all the people who would be connected to him, the last one, John Tiner would not be the person that I would think would be related to Pat Merida. Wow. That's wild, yes. Nope. Sorry, go ahead. Lesson Nielsen. Born. One of my closest. Your closest? One of my closest, they're tied. God not to him. I told you, that takes comedians. That's right, the comedians, yeah. I'm 24 degrees from him, how far are you? I've closed my screen, I'm not looking it up. Anyways, born in 1926, that's in Regina. A lot more. And then died in November, 2010, at the age of 84 in Fort Lauderdale. Best known, of course, for many of comedic roles, airplane, surely, no, don't call me Shirley, right? Sure, don't call me Shirley. Yeah, that's right. That is said in our house a lot. Oh, I know, same year. I'm pretty sure Chris said it already. Oh, there he is. Surely it can't be serious. Nick and Gunn, police squad, officer Frank Darreben, lots of fun stuff. His father, Ingvard Everson Nielsen, was a Royal Canadian Mounted Police Constable. That's pretty cool, an RCMP officer. Very neat. He himself was married four times and made an officer of the Order of Canada in 2002. Way to go. Kyra Sedgwick is my cousin, 11 cousin, quite removed. And I just wanna say, I looked at my pathway to her and it is a result of work I did during the Connect the Fun. Really? Yeah. Wow, that's fantastic. Yeah, it was exciting to see. That's neat. It says that Leslie Nielsen's brother was a deputy prime minister. Ooh, wow. That's crazy. Which deputy prime minister? I don't know. Did he have his brothers listed? No. No, they're living. Yeah, they'd be living. I don't remember a Nielsen. Okay, I gotta look this up. You get to talk amongst yourselves. Yeah, that's right. Anyways, Kyra won Golden Globe in for her role in The Closer, an enemy award in 2010, born in New York City, daughter of Patricia Rosenvalt, a speech teacher and an English family therapist and Henry Dwight Sedgwick the fifth. Wow, imagine the fifth person, same name. Wow, that's pretty wild. He was a venture capitalist. Her father was a Episcopalian English heritage and her mother was Jewish. On its father's side, she's a descendant of Judge Theodore Sedgwick and a Caught Peabody, William Ellery, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and John Lathrop, an American minister and the great granddaughter of Henry Dwight Sedgwick the third, thus the correspondent niece to his brother Ellery Sedgwick, who was the owner and editor of the Atlantic Monthly, a prestigious publication. And she's married to actor Kevin Bacon. Just by the by. Well, yeah. You know, so. Tom Selleck has a very short biography but he's well-known to probably, most people here are familiar with him. My distant cousin, American actor best known for his TV roles, Thomas Magnum and Magnum PI and I am enjoying watching him as police commissioner Frank Reagan from Blue Bloods. But he's done lots of stuff. Hey, Greg, I have a question. Yeah. On the right side, right column, there's pink and blue sort of towards the top. Yeah. What is, is that a wiki tree browser extension feature? It is. Yeah, so this, so one of the options that I have and can I get to, let me think now, I'm just, I'm just going, how do I get to this? This is Safari, how do you do this? It is Safari. He's testing it, he's testing it. I'm testing it, I'm trying to think where as I go to customize the, there it is up here. I click on this and I go to the extension options and end, oh no, I didn't want to do that. Under profiles, family lists, I click, I moved them to the right-hand side, that's this checkbox here and I made them vertical so that instead of sort of going, scrolling the one person per line, the coloring, blue for men, pink for women or whatever, happened automatically. I don't, it doesn't look like there's a checkbox so that might have been part of, even without the extension. So those are ancestors or descendants or? Oh, this is his son, he's the son of, these are his parents, these are siblings and they're his children. Very cool, I'm going to have to play with that. Yeah, so if I turn this off, option off, and then refresh the page, no, that's not the same, refresh the page, his parents, his people are there. Oh, but I like you. The people are there. The people are there, the people are there. The people, the people, the people. The people, his parents, siblings and offspring are on the right side in the bulk of the thing, but I kind of like, let me go back to it. That's why I couldn't see Leslie Nilsen's siblings. I was looking in the wrong place. You get used to your eye automatically expecting to see the arrow on the left and DNA connections on the right. Yeah, yeah. I like that feature, I'm going to add that. Yeah, it took me a lot, once I did this, it took me a long, I was the same way, I was thinking, oh, why is there no parents? It took me a long time to see that. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, well, it takes a while to use it. What I really do like though, I do like that. I want to see the DNA connections there instead. Well, if you had DNA connections. Maybe it wouldn't, no, I think it did actually trumps the DNA connections. It shifts it down. Well, it would shift it down, but I don't think it removes it. No, no, not trumps it, no, not trumps it. That means one of the examples is to hide that too, if you want it, but why would you do that? Anyways. And I believe Ephraim is our final one. Ephraim Zimboli's cleaner. Mr. FBI himself. Yes, exactly. Is this his famous line from that show? Does anybody remember? I don't. I haven't watched it since the 70s. I don't know. You're under arrest. You haven't watched it since the 70s? Well, I mean, I didn't do rerun. You are a closet FBI show watcher. I would love to. Again, I have to find where all these shows are now. Anyway, is he graduated from Yale? But look at this. He also produced an opera. Did he compose the music or did he just produce it? A producer. So producer means the person who puts it on stage, right? Right, right, right. So he didn't write it, but he made it happen sort of thing. Won a Pulitzer Prize. And of course, as an actor. But he was in the 77 Sunset Strip, which isn't a show I'd seen, but I heard of. And of course, the police series, the FBI. And being Ephraim Zimboli's junior, as expected, his parents and his father was Ephraim Zimboli's. And his mother was Elma Gluck. What are the origins of that name? Can we figure that out? Zimbalist? Where are they from? Someone who plays a Zimbal. I don't know. You're hitting on all. I'm hitting on all. Let's look at his ancestors. I'm not tired from your conference. I am a little tired from my mom's presentation. I have witnessed this in you. Personally. That's right. So there's his, his ancestor chart there. Russian Empire. There we go. Looks like. Is that British spreading? Yeah. Or is it really? No, that's. I can't see it well enough to tell you. I can zoom in more. Let me get my binoculars out. Look at that. I'm on my laptop. All right. Yeah. As am I. Is this. Is this Jewish script? Russian. Yeah. It says Russian. No, no. But it's not. It's Hebrew. Hebrew. Hebrew. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. He is not experiencing a glitch. He is banging on all cylinders. Chris. That's very kind of you. So anyway, he's won lots of awards and stuff. But what I really like is, where was it here? The society of former special agents of the federal Barov investigation honored the character in 85 with a set of retired credentials. So they gave the character, you know, a retirement. And then he got a, he was honored with a plaque honoring his work in the series by the actual FBI director. Susan Anderson is correcting us and she's saying that the writing is actually Yiddish. Yiddish. Which is the women's language of Hebrew. Yiddish. So the mother's language, I think is what, what it's called. Oh. Yiddish. Okay. And so there we have, there we have the profiles of the week. Well done. Well done. Well done. We digressed a little bit. I'm going to move you all the way to the bottom, Greg. Next time. Go ahead. I deserve to be putting the basement now. Well, we shared a few new tips and a few new features we show. Right. We did. We did. Let's see. Photo of the week. Today is your panel.  I'm sorry. I don't want to get into it. Mel Bishop. Heaven help us all. He's right. According to Wikipedia, a symbolist, early symbolist is a surname that means one who plays the symbol, traditional string instrument of Central and East Europe. I, yeah, thanks, Mel. No, thanks. Oh, Mel. You're the best. Oh, that's great. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So today- Don't encourage him. Oh wow! I know, I know, right? John Thompson, put these up. Today is your penultimate day to add a couple's photograph. Because- Oh. Yup. So John put up these two really fun photos. Early teens. I remember my father telling me about his polo playing friend, Harry Hastings, in California, and the memory had stayed with me ever since. Randomly removing photos from his album in search of identification. This one, 1925, had written on the back, Harry Hastings and his fiance, Amy Angela Raich, her Cadillac behind, Inspiration Point, Santa Cruz Mountains, California. Now further searching on Google produced a middle name for Harry Coghill Hastings. And from there, I was able to find him on Wiki Tree. Look at that, the car, the Cadillac. Yeah. Wow. They look like they're having a grand outing. So it's two different couples or two guys and a lady. I think it's two different couples. Well, I'm looking at the hat. The hat and the coat look different. Yeah, it's, the lady looks the same. I need to get my binoculars out. Yeah, the lady looks the same in both photos, but the man looks different. The man is definitely different hat, different clothes. It looks like he has a mustache in the lower photograph. Yeah. They're all wearing their riding outfits though. Yeah. They've got job furs on. Those are the pants when you're horse riding, job furs? Yes. Yeah, mixed couples. Oh, mixed, yeah, that's excellent. So the photo theme for May is children. Oh. So go through your photo albums and see what you got for us. And if there's anything new that comes in in the next 36 hours on couples, we'll show it next week. Okay, tip of the week. Tip of the week is the family, the Wiki Tree Family Search Connection app. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. So the way to find this app, well, maybe I should show that to just walk through the steps systematically.  Oh, nice. I like that they have done that with the apps. Yeah. Yeah. So as you can see, I'm already signed in as me and then you sign in, you log in your family search credentials, which I've already done. And let's see. Once, now I'm gonna go to another screen where I'm already logged in. So you will get this. Sam, now I'm signed in. And these are all the people on my watch list. They are alphabetical by last name, which just makes it easy. And what you can do, let's look at Anna Perkins for example. You can see that this is a possible family search match. And you can look at this and then you can create it if you feel. And you can say certain or uncertain. For those of you who may be watching who have no idea what family search is, it is another global family tree that is complimentary to WikiTree. And it's run by the LDS church. And it is an incredible resource, resources and information, but they also have that global family tree component. And that is what this is talking about, the integration between these. And this has been a long going for WikiTree. And that, sorry, Becky. Yeah. Who are you? Yeah. Now you can see that Anna, Anna is from this sort of one of my prominent lines. So she actually, she has two family search profiles. So I would want to carefully look at each of these and see. And you can request that those are merged on family search. Family search is trying to go with the one person per profile, it's something they're starting to work on. So you can ask to have that merged too. Yeah, there are aspects of both. Like the parents that you have in yours are from the top one, but the spouse you have is not from the bottom one. So... Right, right. So I have gone ahead and I've done this merge for one person. Now I'm going to go to his WikiTree tag. Really? Nice. This is the one I worked on last weekend for the Connect-a-thon. And you can see, if you go down here under research, that it's his family search and there's his ID. So if I click on that, it takes me right to his family search. What a seamless integration. Yes. But wait, there's more. There's more? There's more. For me. There's more. So what you can do... Buy one, you get more. Here's what I think is really great. If I go to the sources. Yeah. I have also added him his WikiTree ID on family search. So that someone who is on family search, but unaware of WikiTree will be looking through and say, what's this? And hopefully it's looking at it. I saw a post yesterday in GDG, was in GDG or on family search or on Facebook, where somebody was actually questioning whether WikiTree should be listed as a source anywhere for anything. Because WikiTree in and of itself is not technically a source. Yeah. I thought that was an interesting conversation. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And actually, do we have time to like live demo doing this? Sure, sure. Okay, because I think that's interesting. Your question. We don't have lives, don't worry about us. Yeah, we don't have. Yeah, I guess my question was, does that extra step, does the connection get made two ways automatically or do you have to do it? No, no, so that's why I thought it would be beneficial to walk through this. So if I go back to this page, okay. And now I'm gonna look for my great-grandmother, Grace Greenwood Menzee, let's see. Hang on a second. Oh, you know what's it? Can you do a control F? Can I? Well, let's see. Control F Menzee. What do you know? Hey. All right, I found all the Menzees. You're in the right neighborhood. Yep. You know what? Let me do Grace or Greenwood. That would be more Greenwood. Oh, it doesn't come up with any. Is it showing like page one of the pages? Yeah, you know what? I'm just gonna go back. I know she's on page five because I was- Oh, okay. I was playing with this last night and I'm on page six. So that's probably my problem. See, we do prepare for the live cast. We do prepare. I was burning the midnight oil. Okay, McMurray, McMurray, Menzee, Menzee, Menzee, Menzee. Frank, getting close. Eugene, oh, wait a sec. Wait, no? George. Myron, Francis. Bueller. Okay. Okay. Good grief, Greg. Stop it. Just stop it. Megs, to be fair, he warned us that he was punchy. Yeah, yeah. For our sleep, folks. For our sleep. We were. Poor Julie. Who named the row? Julie, run. Open the door and run. Okay, well, you know what? I might just do somebody else. I was all set to go with her profile. But let me just- And I hope that Greg's mischief has not thrown you way off. I'm sorry. It's all right. I will do my grandfather because his birthday was yesterday. Oh, nice. Happy birthday. William John McMurray. Okay. And he was born in 1899. So is, let's see, are you seeing- Niagara Falls? Yeah, Niagara Falls. You're seeing what I'm seeing. Okay. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna, I've looked at his family search profile and there is only one. So I'm gonna go ahead and create match. And it's creating. It's creating. Okay. Oh, I, oh, stop that earworm now. Thank you. It was her. Oh, you know what? Look, I settled on him and right underneath- Look underneath that. There's my nanny. Oh, there's no green one. It's just Grace's- Yeah, that's why the green one didn't pull it up. Look at that. Strange why it's not, it did not take this long last night. It's because we're live. Of course. At least we're pretending to be live. Oh, wait a minute. Well, all right, then I'll go to- Well, just go to, yeah, let's go back, Grace. Let's see. We should have the logo spin in circles when we were sitting and not saying it. Or the shaking tree. Yeah, yeah, I do like that on your logo. I like that shaking tree. I might have to borrow that for one of my apps. All right, I'm gonna go another way because there's another way to do this. Which is- Please do. Yes. Now I'm on her profile and if I go down to that area, you'll see this. Ah. Add family source ID, ha ha. And this is a way to do it just one at a time. So L, Y, 3D, 193, I am certain, connect. And now we're connected. And now we're connected. Yay! And this will show up that I have made the connection. But what I was hoping to show is that there's a way to use the app to put that wiki tree ID on the family search source list. Right. So, but that may not happen today. Thank you Betsy, you're welcome. Thank you. That's very cool. And, and kind of sorta, we have what's happening around wiki tree. Let me make sure I've got that big enough. There we go, I do. So we do have some things going on around wiki tree as you're actually wanted us to mention that the cookbook, there's a cookbook they're doing for wiki tree's 15th anniversary. So you can answer a GDG post if you'd like to add a recipe. And you have to have the recipe and the wiki tree ID of the ancestor. There's the new wiki games trailer that's coming or up. Connection finder short on Lance Riddick goes live at 7.30 on the 27th of April. This is for the social media people to share. The spotlight short on Aretha Franklin. R-E-S-P-E-S-E-T, no. And the Blues Hall of Fame space goes live at 7.30 on the 28th of April. And going live a half hour before today's roundup was the information about the millionth member. I wanna make sure I get to that. And then there was something else. Oh, there's a YouTube video. I don't know if I can play that, but there's also a YouTube video. Let me grab that and I'll show that to you. This is for the one millionth member. I'll get that posted here. Thank you for the cookbook information. So there is the cookbook link is here. Leave that up for a second. And here is the other one. That is the short for the million members. And so we got some stuff going on. Did you mention the wikitree games trailer? Oh, yes. Yes, you mentioned it. Cool. So on the third Ask Alesh. Yep. What are you guys talking about this week, you know? Well, we're gonna do a little bit more on wikitree plus sort of the introductory to it. We talked about the suggestions tab first. We're gonna talk more about the search one this time. And then whatever the other question people ask. So yeah, go to that post and ask your questions. The title of the thing is Ask Alesh. It is Ask Alesh, so. And then there is the new member Q and A with Betsy Coe. The fourth and the seventh. Yeah, the fourth and the seventh. Wikitree Saturday Roundup. You guys know where we are. You're here now. We're gonna be talking about the wikitree challenge coming up the week of the 11th through the 18th. And look who that is. It's MidaWideDNA.org. Now they're doing it because MidaWideDNA.org is a non-profit. And also it's very integrated with wikitree. But also you don't have to know anything about DNA to do the challenge. It's all about the genealogy of people who just have very deep lines on the Y and the mitochondrial DNA line. So it's still genealogy. You don't have to know anything about the DNA. It's just they're recognizing people that have that. So that's cool. And the 15th, wikitree tours more with the wikitree browser extension. Is that you, Craig? I'm not doing that one. That's usually Julie and Edwin and Azure. Oh, okay. So the month long challenges and events are that we will rock you with nominations. We will rock you seeking volunteers for June. Ongoing events are places to find unconnected profiles and how to increase a country's presence on wikitree, very important. And of course, the very next comment is check the England project for challenges. So go to the G to G feed for what's happening around wikitree in May 2023 and give it a rock vote. And I'll vote this video as well. I also have the social media tab up, but I kind of covered it since Azure asked us to do specific stuff coming up this week. So question of the week. So she's got all of the links here for all the social media places to put up putty. What is putty? Project putty. Oh, that's the one name study project putty. Putty. One name study. That is- That's the last name. Sir name. Yes. Yeah, I figured that. I smart sometimes. The one place that study Wednesday, Pressman's home in Tennessee, wikitree plus with ask a lesh. And the project showcase don't know what that one is going to be yet. And I have that over there in that column. New member zoom. 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All right, there's Frederick. Looks like the gang's all here Nikolai Frederick, I was wondering if you guys might just catch me up But you worked on like two weeks that I was out in the document space I was out last week to solve. Not sure. Oh unacceptable Nikolai Sorry No, so According to the agenda Week ago just so far away Yeah, I I said I was gonna start on the first draft of the release notes that was shown off yesterday We may want to go over them again if you're up for it And Nikolai and I are going to work on documentation for I guess you say updating and adding links to the quick start guide and see if we can We're trying to come up with a guide for basically idea for for a CNF developer for our talk And then we want to try to work out how to how to tie that into a into a presentation and also into Into a future into a future quick start cool redo in mind Our lab right now so I could beta test these quick guides for you Cool and Watson also has either volunteered or been volunteered to work on videos and Those videos are basically like It says it says Watson would like to go through an install and write a concise set of install steps So it would be covered in the script, which are four steps operator persona Building with the pre-built containers deployed with helm. The second one would be applying connecting to NSM basic version Basically like colonel using a kernel connectivity to start off with in the future the another one where they use a shared memory client Third one is a CNF developer building something simple for NSM And the fourth one is something for NSM developers. At least those are the four personas and They draft script for what NSM is and how do you use it for different personas and then creating a video based upon the script And A week before we end up talking about release notes The what is NSM On the on the website, so the what is NSM needs to be Completely changed or are modified. There's actually two things one of them is the what is NSM Document the second one is we need to come up with a very simple. What is NSM that we could stick on the on the front page And I have some ideas towards that and see if we can get them so we can get them included in there not Yeah, I can help you with some of that stuff too. I can write like a couple drafts and send them to you Have we identified anybody to who's gonna like just kind of help us give the website itself a facelift Yes, in fact, we have someone from the CNCF who is working on that. Let me pull up his name Luke Perkins Okay, cool So Luke Perkins is he's doing an initial draft and then he's gonna he's gonna tell me when he's ready to to show off a Draft and I've had some detailed conversations with him about What we're trying to do with NSM and how we're trying to onboard people and personas and so on so he should be he should be well aligned with what we're doing here and I Would like to see by getting them engaged with this particular group as well so that we can make sure that We're all in sync and that we can produce content Based upon what he's building and he can build his site based upon what we're expecting to put up. Oh One thing on the side actually it has pushed the PR yesterday with the new logo I don't know if you have seen it but I Mean the new logo is orange and the rest of the site is not I'm I don't know if we should we should just merge it so that the guy from CNCF can work on top of it or any ideas I Think the site just needs a lot of love overall It still says change to draft next to the what is in this and that I did and even though it's a draft It's still showing up. So we just need to give it a little TLC Yeah, so Luke should have access to the new logo. So once it becomes available, he's gonna Slurp it up and then he'll design the websites based on that but Yeah, for for now, I mean, we definitely need to make sure that our website is at least acceptable, you know, it looked like it was done by a bunch of of Infrastructure programmers and not That is Actually five-year-old probably do a better job than I would I Have posted the link to the temporary deployment of the site in the chat So if someone is interested can check it there with the logo. I mean, I was talking into mute So, yeah, we just need to make sure we're tracking this stuff Frederick, I'll help you with some of the what is an SM stuff like just Put some words on paper for you that we can then start to attack Do you or Nicola? I want to share now though and we can start looking at them release notes and go into those Sure, so let me grab the release notes then I will stick them in the meeting notes and that's already there Yeah, the release notes are currently in Google. They're not in They're not in the website yet, okay, I got a link so whoever's typing give me a second There we go, they make sure that that's editable to everyone as well Yeah, it's that so anyone who had the link in that edit it So my recommendation is to start off with comments. All right, I've shared the Document as well Can it can everyone see it? So first from the From the table of contents Does this look like a reasonable order like does this convey the information that we that we want or is there any other Information that we want to that we want to add in I think table contents wise it looks good We don't want to make sure that the second to last getting started section is Really well fleshed out and makes it super easy for people to Find what they're looking for Cool So in terms of the ordering of it as well Like I stuck downloads at the at the top It is this Does this look reasonable or do you want to stick it at the bottom and have network service mesh release notes up first? I put downloads right after getting started So you read through getting started and then here's all the links pointing to all the stuff that you might want to go Snatch up Okay, that sounds reasonable Are you watching Blade Runner in the background? No, I've no idea what the hell that is. I think it's a neighbor like between using a power tool or something Yeah, that's the neighbor Okay, I Live in Blade Runner by the way. Okay, so then I need to change this as well to be Maybe smaller so this currently heading to needs to be hitting three there we go any other See a special note from the committers. That was right, so How's that? How does that look at this point then? Nikolai, are there any other major components that we need should call out? In the reference architecture as well when you jump down to the reference architecture I mean, I know that our glossary is a bit long and probably includes kind of some not directly connected definitions, but Yeah, we probably need to so so for example, we don't have here the the definition of the network service I mean the the network service I Manifest that we I don't know. I don't remember if this was part of the Glossary tool, but we have the we have the dimension of the data plane We have the registry we have the client and the controller, but then we don't Explain how because all these things are essentially bound together by a thing called network service Which we have a yeah You mean the the network service resource Yeah Yeah, okay Yeah, it's interesting to sort of figure out how you want to define Sort of running software components versus resources that are used by those components. That's always an interesting thing Yeah, I agree, but we say a reference architecture here. I mean, yeah For some context I skipped ahead as well because I feel like this is the area highest risk But for context though is saying what's new And rather than just this bunch of whole requests, I thought what we'll do especially for this release We'll do it more structure more structured and say network service mesh is brand new Explaining what it is the API itself saying that And just giving a quick description of what it is and then Calling the stuff that we've built at the moment the reference architecture Guess I'm gonna take the API build a bunch of stuff out and never use a reference architecture and it's still NSM Yeah, I would I would tend to actually focus rather than on the resources Because the resources for things like network service measures with certain extent an artifact of the fact that the reference architecture uses Kubernetes API database as its database It might be better to focus on the API's Particularly the PIs that are broadly applicable, right? So for example the API that network service manager uses to talk to the network service mesh data plane That API is sort of specific to the fact we're running in Kubernetes You know, you could certainly run a different network service mesh data plane But it's probably not what you would choose to do if you were trying to drive a physical network But some of the API is like the remote dot network service API and the registry API Those APIs I think are generally applicable And so it may be worth calling those out and some of those like the registry API Does return information that is effectively equivalent to some of these resources? Okay, so perhaps so we should do so these particular ones were the actual Applications themselves, but our same perhaps what we should do is call out the API's to look at Yeah, I particularly the the sort of globally applicable API's Because the thing I occasionally see people confused about is there are some API's like I mentioned the network service Manager to MSMD. They're kind of locally applicable You could totally do it differently if you wanted to and interoperate just fine With the broader network service mesh But if you don't implement remote network service and you don't implement the registry API's You're gonna have a super hard time getting along with the rest of the network service mesh Okay, so I think there's two things that we need to do in this scenario then first is call out the specific API's Globally applicable and the second to do sounds like we need to create a visualization as well showing like where they where they fit in in those global API's That show only the API's they don't have to show anything else And that way that people when they see this they'll say, okay, so that's a cross-connect or rather That's the MSM, MSM and and so on I Think it's important to start with the global API like paradigm as well And then specifically calling out that Kubernetes is just the first reference architecture. We're working on So if someone who's like an ECS wizard, you know, and they do all their stuff in Amazon and they like that container You know scheduler they can come in here. You know, if you're a no-mad guy like we Position it as a tool that can be used across multiple, you know Cloudy type technologies and we just happen to do Kubernetes as our first reference architecture because it's the most widely adopted something to that effect I think that's definitely a very important Because a lot of people Because we talk so much about Kubernetes, there are a lot of people who do Relicability if I had a nickel for every time it said someone has said this is awesome But I have this for VMs and physical networks Only to say look that actually is the way the architecture is built. We're focusing on the implementation Exactly, so we just need to make sure that that's it's apparent that this is like a reference architecture and we just started with Kubernetes, right because I get the same things and We've got like this small group of people who like to use no-mad for whatever reason and trying to like, you know Sell them on the idea that this isn't just a Kubernetes tool, especially since we put the heptagon right inside of our Our logo we might want to CNCS gave us a home and you know, Kubernetes is the most widely adopted one But there is a lot of people that like use ECS, right and it runs in Amazon So we need to make sure that people understand that there's global APIs that aren't directly, you know tied to only Kubernetes Maybe we should ask them to switch the heptagon to the CNCS for I like the logo Me too. Let's leave it I'm super super pleased with the logo and in fact, I'm so pleased I'm just gonna drop this into the chat because I'm kind of super happy If you're curious what it looks like on the current site, this is a preview from a PR I'm playing with Yeah, Nikolai sent us this he's lamenting though that the rest of the website is in blue and green So there is Luke who's running loose who is is threatening to to make improvements in that department No, he's he's already started and he sent me he sent me a Netflix fly Samation where he's where he's gonna stand it all up. So right now. He just has a very basic General template that he starts with well and the other thing I'm super happy about with this link is if you the fava cons work Which means we get a really good proof point that the logo is still usable down to fabric on size Yeah, one one recommendation is it possible to change github documentation for the events menu to match the orange And that'll make it blend in a little bit more The darker orange I don't see why not one of the things I was going to ask Alex is if she would be so kind Is to help us with producing a color palette? Because I do not have the right eye to produce a matching orange. I just don't and I'm not sure how many folks we have in the community who do So I have to get my family involved Cool so in terms of Okay, so so for so this will I'm going to rewrite portions of this to emphasize that the this is a reference Kubernetes architecture and Describe I'll describe what it is and describe that that's the That there's other architectures that Can fit in with Kubernetes is not a required component of network service mesh The requirement is you implement the API? well, and so for the For the reference architecture sections then I just stole the the definitions from from the glossary and Made some very minor modifications to make them fit in what I'm The thing I'm a little concerned about though is that there might be some very something that are specific in the glossary that rely on other Definitions on the glossary so people may not know what like what a remote monitor is or anything like that So the way to handle that is just put at the very beginning that you know Certain definitions may have dependencies and the full definitions list can be found at link to get hub glossary But I glossary link here and explanation that additional, you know dependencies can be found there Okay, then that means that whatever we link to needs needs to be something that doesn't that doesn't change so well, we'll have to find the the Well, so Nick Nikolai put, you know, at least our text version of the glossary in get and at this point changes have to come through PR So it should be semi-static Okay, and and that's scenario What I what I may do then is pick a pick a specific Get this tag and and look it from there. Yeah, I mean probably our best bet is is exactly what you described So He's a get get tag for Glossary and reference the tag And the tag will make it human readable so they don't have Type a 3 2 7 9 whatever Do we want to go over into the actual definitions themselves or are we comfortable with since we've gone over them in glossary already? I'm comfortable I've listed as well that we are see and see if Sandbox member I was so delighted to see the call out this morning from the tech press about You know saying nice things about us because we're an open community Cool, I haven't I usually look for never service mesh news in the morning But this morning I just got up and jumped on the meeting. So I haven't seen it yet. It was on Twitter It wasn't an article. Thanks for fixing that anonymous lemur Speaking of on Twitter and stuff to we should have on something in the getting started guide That's like not just the technicals, but since this is the very first release like a small little section of different community resources so when you say Community resources your can you give a Explanation so like getting started, you know, we have like the getting started guide Which is the technicals, but there should also just be like as part of the getting started a Like this is how you get involved with the community. Here's our Twitter. Here's our this, you know Check out our calendar for weekly things. But yeah, like exactly how to get involved Perfect, just because it's the very first release, right? So when people look at these release notes, I'm like, oh, this is interesting You know, how do I get involved in this they can there'll be a section right there So I might get a point to how to get involved to add that into every talk that we do and I think it should be part of every Release that we do as well Yep, I think that's important because you know as different reference architectures come out, you know There's going to be different types of those four personas you were talking about that Watson's going to help us engage as Different personas are involved. They might come in five releases in and if we've cut it out at that point They're gonna be sitting there trying to hunt for information versus it just being readily available Cool. So is there any others that we want we have the meetings slack Twitter mailing list Yeah, those are the communication channels that come to mind probably a good place to crew from is the page Look at which page Community page on the website. I just put the link in the chat cool, so Say, of course, it doesn't make it easy to get to your chat I'm sure Okay, so we have mailing list slack meeting No, we should stick get up on there as well You could never visit any of these four and still get involved with issues and for requests and So one of the things that I that's been bothering me a little bit is I actually like the idea of listing out as many people as we can remember To as part of the as part of the release and saying these are the people who have helped us out But one of the problems I run into is that I know for certain that There's so many people would have helped us out that we're going to miss important people And so I'm So I'm trying to work out like you how to how to deal with this Because you know, some people will just post things like on the on pull request and say, oh These people have committed to to the code But I think our community is way more than just like who's contributed to And then the thing is no absolutely not just way more than who's contributed code We're super blessed to have people who very early in the community picking up They're incredibly important And and even things are not obviously our community So for example the unbelievable amount of support that the skydive team has provided for us I mean they various points have literally turned features overnight in skydive in response to wouldn't it be great if we could And and so we just had just unbelievable amounts of support from a large number of folks. Well, I think inevitably we're going to forget some people But maybe we can start working on the list and I guarantee you we will not get it right at first But we will get closer as we go in time That makes sense Yeah, that makes sense to me because I would love to just like be able to list every group every every Person because like for me like every person who's got involved in helping some way whether it's jumping in and producing code and landing Committer status all the way down to Even just like asking like, you know, what does this mean and that helps us clarify, you know Even if it's even if it's just a couple questions Oh, yeah, I mean and it all helps some of the you know, like the whole Sarah story literally came because Someone at IBM who was asking hard questions and said well, how would you solve this use case? And that was Mike spritzer. Yeah, Mike spritzer. It was like, oh, that is an awesome use case We're gonna we're gonna run with that They showed up for just like one week and after a couple questions and then oh, yeah, I don't know He asked really good questions and then And then Sarah happened Okay, so maybe we should do that as a start off as a separate document and then we can work out how do we want to Yeah, and I like to make that sort of world World-editable so people can share because there are lots of people in the community with lots of experiences and I Also sort of tend personally towards sort of calling out You know More more more personal anecdotes are some of the contributions of people, you know So one of the one that comes immediately to mind for me and this goes way way back was You know Prem when he was basically, you know, the literally the day after the first network service mesh Fock Was willing to stand in for a brainstorming session In the phyto cape and lead that discussion because like I couldn't make the time that everyone else could make Yeah, and so I think I think these are sort of you know, these are the kinds of memories I think we want to codify appreciating in our community Okay, so I'm gonna add I'm gonna add this section in just now. We'll have to work out how we want to word it and Then well we can go ahead and I'll add that to the to the link if I can manage to get the You know There it is it's under a submenu ridiculous And is that is the document at that link relatable? If it's not it will be actually, let me let me double check Get sure of a link. No, no, let me Let me copy this one instead and see if it's different. Okay. It appears to be the same except it has equal sharing instead So we'll use that one Says you only when I click on the link Try refreshing it again. I will I see anyone can edit just me change it there That is our Yeah so add yourself add yourself down and We'll And we'll we'll spread it out and we'll we'll put together a initial initial list and depending on the size of it We'll find a way to Call it out. Anyways, you know Yeah, and I I do like the notion of adding sort of specific memories of people's contributions that that makes me super happy when I think about it Yeah It also helped because if we stuck if we stick mike's name on this I said, why am I on that? But then we stick Ask questions that led to sarah's use case being created.  Yeah, you Yeah, we're going over release notes. This is going in the release notes. That's it technically documentation. I'm documenting everybody's name right now Watson you want your full name? That's good And don't forget Denver I put him up higher He retired my book then wants it Actually, he just popped up higher up on the uh zoom list the Taylor who's in my a today?  There it is. So we also have um Kyle Messery and uh certain and Sergei to stick on there as well. I don't know how to spell Sergei's name I think there's a T in there somewhere I think it's like that We'll double check them Look it up real quick. I think we should be easy to find him Yep. M-e-s-t-e-r-y Yeah, this is going to get to be a to get to be a really lovely list and I Super ecstatic about us doing this. It really speaks to the culture that we've built as a community How do you spell prim's last name? I think it's Sankar S-a-n-k-a-r We'll double check it Romkey, how do you spell romkey's last name? No idea Yeah, me either We'll float this at the uh next network service match meeting as well and just say Add yourself in Eventually when we get someone who fixes uh primarily focuses on fixing bugs, we'll call them McLeaner For those of you who know the cinematic history there. Oh, no, this is going to involve nicknames too, isn't it? Oh, this is going to come dramatically out of control I can see already Next thing you know, we're going to have we're going to have icons to go with it I think somebody's saying something but it's not coming over the microphone All right friends. I need to drop a little bit early. Um, predrick, I will Help you work on that. What is an sm over the next 48 hours? fantastic and I'll I'll go over you with you on offline as to as to what my thoughts are Okay, sounds good cool. We still have around A little over 10 minutes so back to Back to the document I'll ask you the same question ed as I asked everyone else since we were not here at the time Is there anything in the release notes that are That are in that are not in here? And what do you think of the ordering? So I think this is actually good not only because it actually lays out a good set of initial release notes, but It sort of drives some of the release motion as well, right? So downloads for version 0.1.0 Kind of begs the okay, how we put it somewhere to be downloaded So Yeah Have you seen what is to is doing mean you essentially get an archive with all the helm charts and Some that is actually super useful. God knows we've productively stolen so much from a steal already Take a look at their one point our release And There are older releases. There are older releases. Let's see what their zero that one looked like Okay We are better than this, right? Oh, we're we're different from this Is the initial release? No, so next time someone asks so so how is this different from this to you? You can say look dude look compare the release notes Well, may 24 2017, okay, can we make may 24 as our release date that would be great when like two years later? Oh, that would be funny That's a one from May, June, July, so One year and two months. It's actually not too bad It took us a year to get our first official alpha release out. So But you know starting from community zero to To to this so I think we're doing a good job Well, and quite frankly what we have is unbelievably better than what we would have had if we had inverted the order Completely agree. Okay. So So the downloads, I originally had it up here and then we moved it back down here again But then I'm thinking maybe maybe it doesn't make sense to stick it right at the top So the so here's a question. Do we get more value for downloads being after like right at getting started? Or do we feel more value on getting it straight at the top? Oh, I would I always tend to put the getting started at the top and I would tend to put the downloads under getting start as a sub bullet under getting started because We all know how engineers think the first thing they're going to want to know is okay. How do I run it? They may not even bother to understand what it is um, so I would sort of put getting started you've got sort of the um and and I tend to think not so much in terms of download for getting started, but I tend to think in terms of Day zero day one day two right day zero is how do you and NSM enable your cluster day? One is how do you install a network service into your cluster day two is how do you consume it? um and That's sort of how my brain works and then we talked about wanting to have a list of demos Um that we could actually point people to and I think under getting started. We also want those demos so they they basically have The most immediate sense of oh, okay. This is how we do it And they can get you know the faster something works and they feel good about it the the happier they're going to be okay, so Does that look more more reasonable? That's definitely a more reasonably more reasonable direction from my perspective, but please note. I'm not necessarily known for reasonableness Well If we weren't if we were if we were reasonable by By years ago by a one years ago's definition cool, so I think something that I would really enjoy some help with on this if people have time Would be to help fill this document it up make it more clear Make sure that there's no typos you know make making making it look really Making them look really good. And then when we're ready to do so We will we will copy it over to to github once the release branch has been well When the release branch has been cut and we'll start to to Throw in all of the information There for the for the release notes so if this looks If this looks reasonable this disordering Is so jeffreys definitely going to help is is there anyone else that wants to help with anything any of the specifics on this? That's not be a problem. So jeffreys and I I think can can handle it And then what we'll do is next week We'll we'll circle back up on tuesday and wednesday meetings and get more feedback on this So I want to have a couple iterations before we before we do our release to make sure that it's That it's clear that people are generally happy with it the network and that we're good to go Um, so I think we only have I think we only have five more minutes left Is there anything else that we want to cover? I think we're good Cool, well in that scenario Thank you everyone for your time and thank you jeffreys if you are watching this in the future for letting me hijack your session And With that, uh We'll see you again next week at the same time. Take care