physical therapy for a better life. I'm your host, Christine Lenders, physical therapist and board certified orthopedic clinical specialist. I am here today with holistic esthetician, Ivy Delane, who's gonna tell us all about the microbiome of our skin. Welcome Ivy. Nice to see you. Thanks for having me. Nice to see you too. I'm so excited.  And we've all been having so much fun with that. So, so thank you. So yeah, you in December, you mentioned something else besides the lymphatic drainage that piqued my interest in that was the microbiome. And a lot of my patients are talking about, I want to know about that. And I never heard of it until you mentioned it. And tell us all, what is the microbiome of the skin? What does that, what does that mean? Okay, so it starts in utero that we start gaining like microbiome in our gut, right? So as just like our guts, we have microbiome on our skin. So through birth, typically starts like getting the healthy but microbiome. So that's why they say vaginal birth is the best because you're getting all of that healthy flora onto your skin in the beginning of your life. So that's kind of where it starts and begins. So on our skin and in our gut, in our self as a being, we have the trillions of microbiome and they make up of different microorganisms such as like fungi, viruses, bacteria. And basically what we want to do in our throughout our lifetime is keep the diversity of these microbiomes on our skin so that everything is pretty much equal. And that's where you have glowing and healthy skin. So that's just kind of the start of it. So through the- Yeah, healthy skin. Yeah, so like even the acne bacteria, that's on our skin and we need that there, right?  And a lot of people say that those causerous asia in big balances, in big, if there's too many of them. So the two of them together kind of keep the everything is almost balanced. So the point of it is keeping everything in balance. It's very, very important and just keeping everything first. That makes a- So when you- Yeah. Like good guys and bad guys need the equal amount. My friend, Michelle was talking about some bone broth and gut healing and broth, you know, and that kind of stuff too. And she explains to her kids when she wants to give them something that maybe they don't want to have.  And so we are good guys right now because you're not feeling well and that's interesting. We also need it on our skin. Wow. Yes, yes, yes. So when I see a lot of times in skincare, well, I've become more of the holistic side of estheticians probably about five or six years ago and I used to do peels and, you know, kind of what people wanted, the peels, the microdermabrasion, you know, the train of thought, you know, in school and still to this day is, you know, get those layers off and get that, you know, your skin glowing. The problem with that is that you take away, yes, you can take away some sunspots, but you're also taking away the microbiome that is actually there to protect you. So that microbiome helps to hold in water in your skin. So once it's gone, now you all of a sudden have hydrated skin that starts sagging. The microbiome helps to heal the skin.  If you are using a foaming hand wash, you know, like that just says antibacterial, which we've all been told to use the past couple years, right? So, and you get a cut and it's gonna take a lot longer to heal because that microbiome is not there. So it all of that stuff together works together to heal the skin. And so these, I call them pretty aggressive treatments for the skin, I believe that they do a little bit more harm than good because initially you can like look in the mirror and be like, wow, this looks amazing. Like look at my glow. I looked a little dull before but what has happened is you've just taken off such important part of our ecosystem off of your face and it takes a while to come back. Wow, so that's really eye-opening for all of us who's ever done any kind of glycolic, that's the word I was trying to think of before, a glycolic something, which is like a little bit of an acid that they rub on that's supposed to like help dead skin stuff, right?  So for people, myself included in the past, I haven't done it in a really long time but I do know what you're talking about. You get it done. You're like, wow, look at this glow. It's really amazing how I know how to glow otherwise but what do you do? Like is there like theorems or things that you can eat or put on your face, your skin to promote flourishing of that flora? Okay, I just want to back up. I will answer that question but there was something you said that I wanted to comment on. As you said, something about taking off the dead skin cells. So, so many people say this and so many people believe that, even estheticians. There's no dead skin cells on your body until it hits the floor. So anything that's on your skin is still alive until it's not under, it's until it hits the floor, right? So those dead skin cells that people are trying to take away, it is the very, very last layer. They are ready to go but there is some form of protection and by just really blasting them away is you're bringing now like baby skin cells that don't have a microbiome there, that don't have the protective layer up and are going, okay, like I guess I'm ready even though I'm not. And then you cause all kinds of risk, more sun damage, more hyperpigmentation, more of all that. So that's just part of that. Because that's a myth that I hear so often.  Yeah. So they're not really dead until they're off of you. And yes, there are ways to bring your microbiome back. So first of all, there's some culprits of, it's not just over-exfoliation, like it can be painkillers, it can be processed foods, antibiotics, certain things like that can also disrupt the microbiome of your skin. Some things you can't get away from, but from my side, just as an ascetician in skincare, that's what I focus mostly on. Staying away from, I can't tell you how many people are using the wrong skin product. They're using foaming cleansers.  A lot of people really want that and especially people I find that have had skin issues in the past, they really want that feeling. But that's not the way that our skin is naturally. And then also over exfoliation, in my opinion, I exfoliate with a very gentle exfoliator once a month, maybe if I feel like I need it. Sometimes people say, oh, well, how often should I exfoliate? Should it be once a month, once a week, every other day? And I say, first of all, feel your skin. If it feels like a lot of roughness, start with a wash cloth, just start lightly there. So, and also I don't always recommend people to wash their face twice a day, because I mean, unless you really feel like you have to, but you always want to use a very, very gentle cleanser, either gel-based or just like any kind of a creamy base, nothing that foams up at all, because typically those have surfactants in them and that's like washing your dishes. You want to get the grease off, right?  And that's not what we want for our face. So, that's like so much information. It's great information. I'm thinking in my head of everything I've used in the past, like you said, people use all the wrong cleansers, they use so many different things.  And then somebody told me I should exfoliate. So I went and got like an exfoliator and it says like do it twice a week. So I was like, okay, let me get rid of this dull, dry, winter skin and I was using a foaming cleanser and then exfoliating and it's crazy. I've also used like some oil stuff too because I felt like I needed to put the oils on after because I was dry, but I was doing all the wrong things. Sorry. Yeah, well oils are good. I'm definitely about oils. The problem with certain oils is like if you're using, let's just say at a cheap brand or something that isn't sourced the right way or they're using cheap oils, a lot of times the oils can go rancid, right?  So it's really all about, I mean, in my opinion, finding someone that you can trust in skincare, not quite believing the mass marketing that's going on, which is all over all the time, even subliminally, I believe. And I'm totally down for like my clients or people just to even start small. Like let's get you on one or two things today that I think that you could use. So things that bring the microbiome back to that question. So just a gentle cleanser if needed. I really like to, one thing that I think is overlooked is hydrosols or elixirs. They're usually water-based what we call, or what people call toners back in the day and probably still now, I think it's a little less, but toners used to, people used to think of them as, oh, you tone your skin. Usually they would have some alcohol in it and get the rest of your makeup off and you could actually look at the cotton ball and see, oh, look, this is actually really working. A lot of that is just oils that you're really seeing.  So in the line that I use, I use a lot, it has very supportive ingredients in the hydrosols. So there's like herbs and nutrients and it's water-based, but you know, like these herbs are soaked and they're in there and they're there for a specific reason.  So using a good quality hydrosol is awesome and then like going in with your serums and balms or moisturizers. Another thing I wanna mention is using like a hydrosol of water-based product with an oil-based product, the two together really work well. If you're looking to bring your microbiome back or if you're feeling like you have dry skin or if you're aging or if you wanna help soften your wrinkles, the two together work wonders. So it's a hydrosol is something I think that it is always really overlooked. That's so lucky. I have so many questions right now. I remember in Connecticut, I was using, I forgot what it was, I was in Poland of all places. I was looking for my family and I went and got a facial when I was in this very old town and she had this same thing, my dry skin, all that kind of stuff and from the winter, she gave me a cream and I told her I had this oil and I put like a couple of drops of the oil in my, it was like moisturizer or the, she's like, what are you using for moisturizer? And I was like this, she's like, well, that's not really a moisturizer. That's like this. And so I remember putting a drop of oil in with my moisturizer and then putting it on my face and how much more moisture I felt. But the other thing I was thinking of is that at night, now I will spritz my face and I wanna ask you, is this like kind of a hydrosol? It's like a rosewater spritz. So I will spritz my face with that and then I put a couple of drops of, what is it? It's an oil. And then I rub it together and then I put the oil on and then I do my, not like drainage.  Like she's something different. I'm like, I did my like two minute lymphatic drainage with this spray and the oil and I go to bed that way. Cause in the morning, I don't have time. I wish I did, but at night I wash my face with a gel cleanser because I had it and it's now I'm burned over, right? And it's so much better. I totally agree. Like I definitely see the difference in my face. It just feels nice after washing it with a gel cleanser. It doesn't feel dry or squeaky. It feels nice. Yeah, definitely.  And yes, back to that rosewater. Yes, that would be this thing. I think is that the one in the red bottle or pink bottle, rosewater? It's a white, it's plastic. I got like a little sampler of like a hyaluronic, something or other gel cleanser and then one other probably hyaluronic for your eyes when it's brand in New York City. And so I just, I was using, when after I saw you, I'm gonna use this. I've got the gel, I've got the spray. Yeah, I like the sounds of all of that. I do, I do. I mean, I would probably stay away from, I mean, I'm not sure, like I don't know if I trust drugstore brands so much, but that's just me. But yeah, that actually sounds nice. And I know that there is a rosewater that some of my clients use from like Whole Foods or something. They love it. And I say, you know what? Do that, that's fine. You know, like let's put your money maybe somewhere else, maybe into a nice serum or, you know, just something else. But, but yeah, that is kind of the theory of it. I do agree with what you said though, the, you get what you pay for because I remember over the years of being a physical therapist, I've talked to many practitioners from many different realms. And I remember this one was a homeopathic pharmacist and I was asking about the glucosamines. This is in 2002 when everybody's wondering like, do glucosamines can join and does it help you with arthritis? And there was research studies and he came and he's like, listen, he's like the one that they had a Costco, he's actually actually pretty good. He goes, but the thing is, is don't go get the cheapest brand over the counter because the fillers and binders are cheap fillers and binders. You know, if you can't afford the most expensive brand go somewhere in the middle because then the quality of the products they're putting into that are more expensive which is why it's more expensive. And it just helps your body to absorb it. So I fully, I fully agree with what you say. Yeah. And I'd love to get some from you. It is, it's the same, you know they put all the binders and fillers in and maybe a 1% of an orange and call it a vitamin C serum or you know what I mean, that's just how it is regulated. So it is important to be a little bit educated on that kind of stuff too because you can be, you know people I think sometimes they take my advice and then they go and go and buy, you know this stuff at a more reasonable price and then they come back to like well it's not really working, you know and I'm like well, you know it's there's like sciences about it, you know it's not just, yeah. So a couple of things like you mentioned that so I think too like the times that I bought the stuff from someone like you and like that, I feel like they always say like don't use too much and I'm like really? And I put a little and the little goes a long way whereas when I buy stuff from the store not to knock the stuff in the store because I've used that plenty of times. Right. I feel like I need to use more or I put it on and like I need to have a little more and so maybe the cost actually balances out because the high quality product is very potent and you don't need much to cover your whole face whereas the other stuff low quality you feel like you gotta put more on to get the same feel of your skin or look or look maybe. Yeah, no I agree. It's like sometimes like when I'm in certain stores I like to look at the, I mean products in there I don't feel are very cheap sometimes I'm like really? Like for this like, I mean I don't know the line that I carry is not very much more expensive than that. I mean it is, but you know what I mean? So it's kind of shocking to me that they can get away with that but I know that some people that's what they can do. And so that's fine do what you can but just to be I guess my point would be just to be as aware of as possible of what you're actually using. Look at ingredients and you know try to figure out what they are if possible. Yeah, so would something that has fewer ingredients be better for kind of like the keeping your microbiome balanced and healthy? I would think so, yeah, yeah. The more ingredients you see in something and I'm not gonna say like even ingredients that you can't read. Like there are some things that I know are good for you that I still can't read and they're in, you know what I mean? They're not particularly in my line but like in good lines and I would like have to be like what was that again? You know, so it's not just about that but I would say definitely the smaller amount of ingredients and at least the first you know, few things that are in them that you understand what they are. You know. Okay, I know that's good. So me being like anyone watching the show so now, because we're all kind of like oh yeah I've done that, oh yeah I've done that. So now we have kind of off balanced our microbiome and our skin and we just wanna kind of get it back to healthy. We're noticing more wrinkles, we're noticing with like more tire, we're noticing the skin just isn't very like nice and we wanna know why. Like where do we start? Like what do we do? I know we need a gel cleanser to start washing our face like maybe one day at the end, right? To get all this stuff off. Maybe use a washcloth because I've done that before and seen a huge glow in my skin. Maybe use a washcloth as an exfoliator instead of a pretty thing because it's more gentle and then it gets rid of your non-dead skin that's ready to jump off your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  But then, then what? Yeah, no tell me, tell me. What else? Okay, one tip that I love to give people it's a mask. It's super easy and great for you. It's a like a raw organic honey mask, okay? So honey has enzymes in it so it's a little bit exfoliating, right? But it's gonna give you the good kind of exfoliation. It's just gonna kind of eat away what might be ready to go. It's a humactant so it's also hydrating and it's also antibacterial. So it's fine for people with blemishes or anything like that. And so if you put, and I recommend it to be raw and organic you could put that on your face. There's no time limit. It can sit there for 20 minutes, five minutes, 30 minutes. It does kind of start to melt on your face especially in this climate to be aware of what you're wearing or maybe have a little towel here. And fun, as funny as it sounds a lot of people are like, isn't it hard to get off? And it's not hard to get off at all. Like I just go to the sink. I have my little washcloth. I put it by my sink. I rinse my, it rinses off really nice and gives a great glow. And that brings the microbiome back. So that's a really fun tip. And I've been using that one for years. Oh my gosh, so I'm gonna do that tonight. I'm gonna go get some raw organic honey. And then I, how often can you do that one? I think, well, maybe not every day only because of the exfoliating part but I would say you could probably do that once a week. Okay, all right. I wanna know because I don't wanna like, I don't want anybody to like overdo it. I also am like, oh, I'm looking kind of tired lately. Let me do this a few more times. Yeah, and you know, like it can be a little, like some people, if you have super sensitive skin which a lot of times it has to do with the microbiome. So be a little careful because it can bring a little bit of redness.  A lot of people come to me and they're like, I have the most sensitive skin ever. And I start looking at them asking what they use and I'm realizing that they're, I don't think that they were born with sensitive skin. I don't think that I think it's because their microbiome is gone and so stripped that anything that they put on their skin is like, they're almost to a point where they can't use anything because they can't use anything that they would think that they could use. There are certain things that they can they just have to start really slow and it has to be very specialized, I would say because it's so stripped that anything that, any product that you put on your skin is just gonna make a blur. So it's definitely, it's baby skin that like really just needs like it's almost like raw, you know? And it needs like some very slow nourishing.  I would only probably give them a hydrosol. Start with, and maybe a gentle cleanser and then just start there. And then as their microbiome comes back then you start adding more. But part of the thing, another thing I wanna mention is that a lot of people come to me and they're like, I think I have acne or I have rosacea. I have sensitive, I have melasma. I want my melasma guns, all these issues that I hear all the time. But I would say, I am going to say probably 79% of my clients have a strip microbiome when I first see them. And there's really nothing we can do to help that melasma to help the acne, to help, you know, the rosacea without bringing the microbiome back first because we can't go in with any kind of, you know sometimes I use certain things, not super harsh, but like, you know, I do have like a nice vitamin C mass that helps lighten things and certain things like that. But I can't do that unless their skin is intact. So it's always the first thing that has to happen to move forward into these other conditions. Wow, that's very enlightening. Very enlightening. I have so many questions and we have like one minute left. So what I do want to touch on though, briefly if you can is so like, what about serums? So you're like, you know, you're gel cleansing, you're hydrosoling, then maybe putting a SPF or something afterward, but is there like a serum that you put on after the hydrosol to, I don't know, do something? I always recommend a serum. Yep, I always recommend a serum if your microbiome is not in a great place, there's, you want to use something super gentle, vitamin C might be too much. I always tell people to be on vitamin C serum unless they have a stripped microbiome because then it's just a little too harsh for them. But serums are very, yeah, they're very beneficial to your skin, it usually has smaller molecule that goes in and then the moisturizer kind of just sits and holds everything together. So that's kind of the series as it goes.  That's blowing me away. Yeah, it's fun. It's so fun, I love it, I love it. I have a lot of fun with it, yeah. Gosh, I mean, I have fun with it now too.  I felt like I was having fun and I looked better afterward too, you know, but so that only took me a few minutes. Eliza, anything else you wanna say to wrap up? No, I mean, I'm always here. If anyone has questions, I'm Hawaii Holistic Skin and you can DM me and I love helping people with this because I feel like there's so much misinformation out there and it's hard to find someone that kind of is authentic and true and knows what they're doing. So I'm always here for questions. You can DM me on Instagram and I'm also at Satori Salon and Kailua. If you wanna make an appointment, I would love to have you in. So thank you for having me, Christine. That's so nice to see you, yeah. It's great to see you, yeah. So everybody go and get on Ivy's Instagram and see how you can see her at Satori. So many of my patients have gone and my mom, my mom, we love it and thanks to everyone for being here. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. 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So very excited here to conclude the Firefly Hyperledger launch event today. It's been actually a great week talking with people and the culmination in a number of months of working with Brian and the Hyperledger team. So I guess I think Brian, myself, Steve, and also Andrew, one of our developers, who will do a demo as part of this session. Just for some quick intros in case someone is not familiar with Brian. Maybe you could say a few words about yourself? Yep. I'm a second year director of Hyperledger based in the Bay Area. I've been working for the Linux Foundation for over five years now and on Hyperledger and a number of new things recently. But just really excited to welcome Firefly to the community and call it out really as well. Thanks, Brian and Steve. Hi, everyone. I'm one of the co-founders of Kaleido along with Sophia. And Kaleido is a technology startup company that's focused on enterprise blockchain solutions, specifically for enterprise. So we've worked across a lot of major industries, helping customers. And our story is Firefly story. And Firefly story is our story. And as we've spent the last six years in this space, and we really are excited about what this new community could do to accelerate the larger space. Great. Well, let's jump in. We wanted to start, I guess, with a couple of thoughts with Brian. Steve was saying we've been living this space for about almost four years now. It's Kaleido, and felt really motivated and passionate to open this up, to grow a real community, although we'd open sourced portions of this before. And it had had some people on our previous panel who had been touching the tech, I guess. So we're really excited about growing the community. I wanted to hear from you, Brian, some initial thoughts. What gets you excited about Firefly and sparks your interest with project? Yeah, well, I think Firefly addresses have been a longstanding challenge, which feels very much like the early days of the Linux operating system when to compile your own kernel, when the user interface was a very, very basic X window stuff that had been ported over from Solaris or whatever. And it very much felt like a hacker-only kind of environment. And over time, obviously, you had GNOME and you had other parts of the stack emerge. And finally, a usable operating system that you could put under Chromebooks, you could put in anything else. And we had a couple of early projects that tried to build the bridge between a low-level plumbing and the developer-friendly kind of environment, things like Composer, which I know you're all familiar with. And Composer really was best as like a design tool, a design thinking tool, but people wanted to use it to build and manage their production systems. So that was always a challenge, and that was one reason I think the Composer team themselves decided to pull back on that project and it wasn't the right approach to a high-level tool to be able to build and manage apps that balance this on-chain, off-chain kind of thing. So the project of now having a tool again that makes it easy to build and one that has the benefit of being able to work across multiple ledgers, which matches very neatly our objective since the beginning at Hyperledger, which was to say, there's fabric and it's really market-leading and has all this power and complexity. It's like a gigantic chainsaw, right? But there's other ledger platforms in Hyperledger, including Beizu, which obviously inherits the Ethereum stack. So the multi-ledger nature of Firefly is super important to us, and I'm really happy to see now this backbone is kind of forming that other things could potentially plug into other projects of Hyperledger. That led into a second question I wanted to ask just about the Hyperledger greenhouse. And you have a collection of co-bases that are really focused on enterprise blockchain communities. You mentioned Beizu and fabric. In having to feel Firefly, there's a multi-protocol aspect of it and more broadly, having to see Firefly relating to other communities in Hyperledger. The other question. Good question. Well, I'm happy to see that there is now fabric supporting those just beginning, right? And it's been very clear that there's a lot of interest from the fabric team, especially those who recently put out the fabric smart clients to figure out how to collaborate early on, maybe even combine efforts in some really interesting way. And make it a first class supported platform and underneath Firefly. And in addition, obviously I'm hoping Beizu in the community around that rallies in a similar way. But some of the other projects might be interesting too. Like it'd be interesting to see if there was a common design pattern or paradigm for doing cross-chain interoperability where being able to adopt the primitives being built inside of cactus might be something interesting to slot into there. Also, it would be interesting to see if there were cryptographic primitives that were recurring in the design of Firefly-based apps that meant pulling in Ursa, which is a library of cryptographic primitives, would be really useful too. So I actually think there's potential to collaborate with probably all of the different projects in Hyperledger and have them fit into this kind of framing. Because I think very few of them were designed primarily with like making life very, very easy for the first-time developers, for the early developers, the people who really focus on the business here. And I think this is a nice path to being able to get there. That's an avenues and collaboration in store in the coming months, just within the Hyperledger community alone. And then more broadly, there's other tech where open-source communities like Node-Red and others that have already communicated with us. So we're excited to see that grow. I guess the last question I was gonna ask you, just as you, with people come out of today, the Firefly Hyperledger day, what do you think they should keep an eye out for, or what sort of activities would you recommend or invite them to? That's a good question. Well, definitely having a responsive core maintainer community involved, participating in chat on the mailing list, helping make sure that the developer experience is smooth. Having that activity will build confidence in the part of other people, and they'll jump in as well. And I think that's a faster way to build community than something that kind of launches and then looks almost like a ghost town, right? So maintaining that momentum is pretty cool. The other thing is, the best projects really don't have advocates out there who are presenting at meetups, virtual meetups as they are now sort of thing, or even at other conferences. The Linux Foundation produces over 100 different conferences a year. And like the upcoming Open Source Summit in September in Seattle, which will be a hybrid virtual real one. But all over the world, and once we reopen again, most of us will go back to being face to face. So presenting at those, getting out there writing, post for medium, or for other sorts of like channels, tweeting about updates, those are all things obviously, we at Hyperledger wanna help the project do and do with a Hyperledger voice and through the channels we've set up. So the more that we can collaborate on that and that kind of advocacy, the more effective we will be at building both the user community and a contributor community. Thanks, Brian. And yeah, we have our eyes on us, Tom. So we're gonna submit some sessions for that. And I've been in talks with Ryan, David and others about that, but that's great advice. Well, thanks again, Brian, for your support. Getting ahead of this week and here with us today to launch sort of an invitation to the community to join. I really appreciate your perspectives and ongoing support. Think with that, we'll transition to, I would like to get a little bit of the business context for Firefly and see if we'll get into walking over, through what it actually is and does. Think from a business context, one thing we've been talking some of the panels and other activities today. If you look at Enterprise Blockchain and sort of the promise of Enterprise Blockchain, people look at solving deep problems around transparency, trust that go all the way back into the core systems of record companies. And until now we didn't have a technology that could really provide that shared view of the data and that shared application logic. And then as we went through COVID over the last year and a half, we saw all the implications to supply chain, the inefficiencies, a lot of issues will be just, as the society things started breaking down. So I think there's a big spotlight on how can we do a better job as people are digitally transforming and moving to the cloud to solve some of these economic inefficiencies and social problems that result through some of the misfunction of these systems. We've seen that during COVID, some industries such as insurance industry has told us in North America, their digital transformation roadmaps have accelerated by decade. Across all industries, various analysts have done research on this and they're saying there's about seven to eight year acceleration of that. So we have the industry drivers and business drivers but behind some of these changes. McKinsey did some recent research and saw that only 8% of companies believe that their current business models will remain viable if they don't digitize. So they're seeing this digital transformation in the back office as a real imperative. And they, and digital ecosystems are estimated to account for 30% of global corporate revenues just in the next four or five years alone. It's interesting to see some of the research as well just as applied to different industry sectors and you see sort of a blending of cross industry sort of value and now the value of the network is the network rather than one company's product. It's the health of the network and who they're associating with and then the type of business outcomes and value they could generate for their end users. So with all of this, we see some of the business drivers and some of the movements in the industry to where the ecosystem economy is arriving and in some sectors is already arrived. But the technology over the last five, six years of enterprise blockchain has really struggled to reach the promise and to deliver that promise. And there's some reasons for that that have become evident to all the parties in the blockchain space. You know, these cross party flows are pretty sophisticated in terms of the needs on privacy and security. Overall, enterprises have requirements around privacy compliance and integration with existing core systems and sources of data for their production ready solutions. But meanwhile, as they're adopting these new emerging technology sets, they're dealing with new cutipier frameworks, new programming languages, new containerization and other constructs that can be new internally. So they really struggle when they pick up and just try to build all the components needed on a blockchain solution, especially when the actual running of the node and the blockchain piece of it from a node perspective might be five to 10% of the solution. And there's many decentralized off-chain tech components as well as the app in the middleware that they need to pull together in order to provide a viable solution. So what basically they think the job initially is writing some smart contracts, starting a blockchain node, building a web app and then just deploying. So a couple of components, a few months, four to six months maybe to do that. What the job really becomes is like looking at sort of the architecture and design and how do you actually use blockchain and then getting into looking at the architecture and design of all the different off-chain pieces so that the apps can talk to each other, you're exchanging documents, private documents between parties, solving problems that are needed for the solution, but it's much beyond just running the node or writing a smart contract. And then struggling to code to the blockchain APIs and the different protocols or different levels of sophistication and use abuse around that aspect. So it's a blocker for traditional enterprise developers and we're looking for RESTful APIs. So then they come to the realization that deployment can be pretty far off and it's really more like 40 components and it can be two to four years to get into production with some of these ambitious projects that get announced with the fanfare and then they run into the reality of what it really looks like to build one of these solutions. So what should the job be? We believe it should be modeling the assets and the data, defining the process orchestration, workflows, coding to simple APIs and clicking deploy. So one platform and now something that took years could be done in weeks. Just to transition with the last spot, you know what does this mean in terms of business impact and really helping industries move forward to be able to use these decentralized multi-party solutions? First, there's a huge cost savings from what we see as the gen one way for looking at a blockchain and gen two which some consortia have already moved towards in some industries and we're hoping now by open sourcing Firefly to help the whole blockchain space move towards a more efficient way of working. And what does that look like in terms of a distribution of effort? In the past with the gen one, maybe half of what you were doing was all on the plumbing layer, things like architecture, infrastructure design, reusability were smaller pieces and then the business value or use case ended up being a very thin slice. So people would have a very ambitious goal for their consortium or project and then spend so much time and money on the plumbing that they end up building sort of a simple calculator app when they really needed a very complex financial market exchange was the initial vision. Now with this gen two, a way of working, the plumbing is greatly simplified and you see the demo and you'll see what that looks like in terms of what you get versus lines of code as an example. A lot of the design is sort of baked in so that bringing in the commodity type pieces of architecture and with the opportunity to centralize new components along with the blockchain, you don't need to have a PhD to do all of this. So really democratizing access to building blockchain solutions to all of the enterprise developers out there and then really getting to the business value now being the majority of what you're doing and able to deliver to clients, companies and consumers. So with that, I think I'm gonna hand the baton over to Steve who's gonna talk a bit more about our play. All right, thanks Sophia. And I think, you know, Firefly setting out, it's an ambitious goal for a project to really take a half-stack back and look at that graph and say, okay, something's off here. If you're really spending most of your budget on a project on plumbing, right? Which we've seen over and over again. You know, how can we invert that? You know, plumbing is a great candidate to build an open source community around and just solve it as an ecosystem, as a community and sort of allow that budget to be inverted. And so what we're introducing today is Firefly, a part of the hyperledger community coming in at the lab stage and looking to grow and advance through the community there and be incubated is what we're calling a multi-party system. And I'm gonna come back to that term a few times over, but the idea of sort of a larger system that's a bit broader than a blockchain, but it's really focused on data flows and that cross-party flow of data. But before I get into that detail, I wanna start with an analogy because we've found this is really helpful. If you think about Docker and the first time that you've used it or saw it, maybe you're younger and you just take it for granted, but some of us saw the world before Docker where software was all over the place. And in those days, your budget, your IT budget for a project was dominated by not your business application, but dealing with a lot of plumbing, essentially type of operations. So Docker came along and said, hey, let's put all software into the same box. And if we do that, we can standardize networking, we can standardize security, we can standardize how we do high availability and scalability, very hard problems, that you could solve once in a uniform way. And that was great for a developer running a Docker container on their laptop, but for an enterprise to go into production with a hundred or a thousand Docker containers, it was just not possible or feasible. And so the market sort of became stuck or there was a need for a larger system. And along came Kubernetes really sort of standing in the gap there and giving you that broader control plane upon which to build and orchestrate and manage how many ever hundreds of Dockers. And it was designed to be really pluggable. So there's more than one choice for networking and the cloud providers have come in and plugged in underneath and technology providers have come along and plug in and built tools around this. And you have this larger system, this enterprise system around Docker, which importantly delivered the initial promise of Docker itself, right? The breakthrough of all software fitting in the same box. It's now achievable or consumable. How about blockchain? So if you think about blockchain, wow, when it came along, there's like, it just makes sense if you've been in the enterprise software space, if you've seen the back office of companies in the sprawling estate of hundreds of systems, if you've seen the size of business networks, hundreds, thousands of participants in a supply chain or in a financial network or in a value chain in the insurance space or whatever it is, right? And just the lack, the total amount of inefficiency, the lack of coordination, it just makes sense. However, I think it's pretty clear to say that enterprises just can't get into production. It's really hard technology to manage. And we see Firefly as coming along and providing an enterprise system. So similar to how Kubernetes was sort of a larger, pluggable, extensible control plane and system around Docker, we see Firefly as a multi-party system being a larger system where there's a blockchain still there, right? But we're also looking at all the other layers of the stack and all the plumbing that we were just talking about a minute ago that can dominate the budget for an enterprise blockchain solution, right? All these layers in the middleware space, connecting the back office systems and securely, privately connecting across the business network and managing member onboarding and the DevOps around shared IT assets. And on top of all of that, a workflow, right? So those sorts of things. And I think if you apply an open source lens to this, it's really interesting to observe just how much innovation has happened in the past years towards the bottom of that stack. But to date, no comprehensive open source project that's trying to really drive that simplification all the way up to the application layer and encapsulate multiple layers into a pluggable framework. And it's really just a quick review on what data flows look like inside of a decentralized business network where each member in these dotted line circles has a full stack of its own technology, right? That stack we were just talking about, it doesn't exist once, it exists in every organization's IT realm. And that stack needs to connect privately back office. But it also needs to connect across the business network, right? And we see multiple kinds of operations here. They're happening, of course, there's the ledger of the blockchain itself, but almost always, almost always in an enterprise project, there's private data exchange, usually the more private the better, that's quite commonly is coupled with some form of broadcast as well. So it's not just one of the other, we often see both. And then having that shared ledger building digital assets and using tokens and so on, is a really powerful programming construct. So it's all of those things together that this is the shape of the problem that you need to solve just to build and deploy one blockchain use case across the business network. This is all that, all these lines are plumbing, right? All these rectangles in the stack are plumbing in different parts of the solution. So with that, I'd like to introduce Firefly, a multi-party system built and designed for cross-organization data flows. That's what it's about at the end of the day. Understanding decentralized architecture and the fact that all organizations are gonna be running a stack. And because there are so many lines of collaboration and places for data to flow, having a very event-driven system and framework to really tie together and coordinate all the disparate systems that exist within a business network and also the legacy and core back-office systems that exist around the business network as well. So all of that coordination is really a business process feat of engineering. And so trying to make that part of the problem orders a magnitude simpler for a poor old developer who's just trying to get a piece of data from point A to point B often, right? And really importantly, just like Kubernetes, a flexible technology framework, because A, there's lots of different technologies, B, there's different implementations of how to do messaging or data exchange. But most importantly, C, there's also emerging technologies, confidential computings, your knowledge proofs and so on that really ought to fit into this larger multi-party system. So as you put the system in place, it can evolve with technologies, different blockchains, as well as off-chain technologies. Just a quick word on the seed of the contribution. This is coming from primarily from Kaleido, the initial 80,000 lines of code that are Firefly within Hyperledger now. This is our six years of learnings as well as three years of active development. So we've had this, these capabilities in-house as Kaleido products, but we're convinced and we have very large customers, some of them spoke throughout the day today that are running on the Kaleido proprietary version of the code. It became clear to us that the right thing for a big, ambitious sort of platform like this to really put it in the open, to invite others to contribute, to help, to let the community help shape how the investments go into this code going forward and to really build a stronger product. We were just talking with Brian a few minutes ago about the synergies across different Hyperledger communities and we wanna explore those going forward as sort of like an umbrella project we sometimes refer to Hyperledger, excuse me, to Firefly to date and plugging in some of those other cross-pollinations as well going forward. So just zooming in for a second on the Firefly node itself. There will be recordings up soon if you wanna really dig into the technical workshop. There also are pointers available in the booth if you need help being routed into the community through the larger Hyperledger website. But just really quickly on the node itself, the core is essentially the brain that's there, that's the thing that you interact with as a developer building your application. It's there to give you really simple APIs and web hooks to say, hey, I wanna send this piece of data. Hey, give me a callback when you've received it. You know, provide, give me the proof with the blockchain.  Can you just make that simple for me please and abstract that away from me? And that's what the core is doing. Sitting underneath the core are a layer of connectors that are doing the heavy lifting that are interacting with the different runtimes. These connectors have a standard unified, you know, interface that they conform to to make it really pluggable. So that the blockchain interface, which is definitely doing a lot of heavy lifting, you know, there's one there for Ethereum, you'll see in the Firefly, there's also, you know, ETH Connect, but there's also Core to Connect sitting alongside of it. There are discussions today about Fabric Connect and getting that launched and built. And there may be even another community out there that wants to help merge some code in to make that possible. But alongside the blockchain, really importantly, bringing Sophia said five to 10%, well, what about the other 90% all these other forms of plumbing that until today you've had to do to build a blockchain use case.  So if I send something to you privately, let's pin that to the blockchain, let's get global ordering and finality and keep that into the puzzle. I already mentioned multi protocol that's really important to us to give that flexibility and choice, but also to tap into the strength of unique attributes of some of these underlying protocols. So they're still there. That power is still available while there are easy interfaces into them, that the existing interfaces are still there. You still write, you know, arbitrarily complex smart contracts or chain codes if that's what you desire to do. And that's there for that 5% of the time. But for the rest of the time when you're using, you know, what we now recognize are pretty common patterns. Firefly is there to give you simple APIs to accomplish that. Almost like a database. Crud operations are great most of the time.  And so that we see that similarity there. Firefly is ready for enterprise. It is an active code base, but it is designed for enterprise use. You know that and you understand that with the hyperledger community and the licensing that it applies as well as the open governance that it brings.  And so it's cloud ready. It's scalable and resilient. And I've already mentioned why being highly pluggable is important for this project as well. So fire, your blockchain runs better with Firefly. You're still getting global ordering, finality, you know, the immutability of data. Awesome things like tokens and NFTs triggering, but we take that a level up. So it's not just triggering, it's event streaming. It's not just getting transaction in, it's automatic batching. There are simple API, restful APIs so that it's not low level RPC calls and so on. And then unifying the identity. So everything has an identity construct built into it. Your choice for off-chain messaging may not be the same as identity sort of system as the blockchain itself. And so having an identity registry with organizations and simple member management and onboarding, putting all of that in one place almost like an address book is another really important piece of how Firefly works. So finally, just real quickly on the road ahead. Today as a launch, it's a beginning. Fortunately, we're not starting from standing still. We have a running start, as I mentioned, the three years of active development and six years in the blockchain space. Seating this contribution has already been a jolt of energy from different parts of the hyper ledger space and even beyond about wanting to get involved. We encourage everyone to get involved. The community building process is now officially underway. So there will be all the things you would expect happening, maintainer selections, open meetings happening on a regular basis. There's a rocket chat channel set up on the hyper ledger chat tool. So you can get plugged in there. You can certainly download the code today. But looking forward at the roadmap, there are definitely some high priority items that are already feedback in from the community fabric I talked about as well as looking at some specific token use cases, which are quite common again, almost like the CRUD versus stored procedure example I was using a minute ago. There's some common things that happen with tokens. We want to extend Firefly to make those a whole lot easier than they are today. One simple example of delivery versus payment. I send you data or a thing, an asset. I want tokens back, value tokens back in exchange. So how do you make that happen atomically? There are common ways to do that. So those sorts of things are that the Firefly community is already active on. And if you're interested in those things, do plug in. And then finally, all this trending towards a 1.0 release, we envision and we hope that that's later this year, maybe towards the end of the year, something hardened, scale tested, ready, security audited, and so on. And so stay tuned for how that evolves and get involved. And so with that, what I'm going to do is actually transition over and stop my share here and invite Andrew from the team to come in.


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