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If you find yourself having some signal issues you can just leave the meeting by clicking leave meeting and then come right back in by clicking join and entering the code like you did in the beginning and join us in the zoom room and then you're back and now let's just join into a deep experience together thank you so much okay well hi everybody welcome to our Wednesday night movie gatherings nice to have you here we've got a beautiful movie in store tonight so yeah i'll cross it over to david thank you thank you peter yeah you can see us all we're here we're all nestled in for another movie night i see there at the monastery camas yeah i see there they are there it is lecasa it's a big crowd over there at lecasa and all around we're all gathered in and we're excited again to to go toward clarity on a couple themes that that people voted for over the week and i think for the first time in a while our english poll and our spanish poll came out identical and now paulina has joined us so maybe in coming weeks we might even have a portuguese poll uh but right now the both the spanish and english polls came out the top vote getter actually by far a runaway was miracle mindedness so you asked for a miracle mindedness movie and we've got it for you and the second place in both polls out of like four or five six different options second place in both polls was taking back projections so that's a good one too taking back projections i i was looking at the workbook lesson i think it might have been very recent maybe yesterday or yesterday or today it was i can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts it's today i can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts and that's the kind of idea that is so helpful in releasing anger it's so helpful in releasing resentments and grievances i can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts is that it's that's like a byron katie turnaround in a course in miracles because if it's just your thoughts then you can release those thoughts those are just attack thoughts so i can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts is really a later version in the workbook of lesson number 23 uh i can escape from the world i see by giving up attack thoughts so that's really the first presentation of the idea where he gives the full presentation i can escape from the world i see by giving up attack thoughts and how we do that is we through miracles that's why it's called a course in miracles we become more and more consistently miracle minded we become more in alignment with the holy spirit we start to become more gentle more meek uh and we grow in strength our mind we we recover or remember the power of the mind through our meekness through our non-judgment through our relinquishment of attack thoughts and that lesson number 23 i can escape from the world i see by giving up attack thoughts it does remind me a bit of the first matrix movie when neo finally gets to meet morpheus for the first time that's my nickname my friend tarana in india she always calls me morpheus when she came all the way from india she's like morpheus at last like neo at last and when he meets morpheus morpheus says the matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth so it's a perceptual world that's being used by the ego as a way to keep you fooled into thinking that you're in a real place interacting with real people and real things and to help you forget that you can be hurt by nothing but your thoughts if the world seems real then it seems like the people are real people it seems like the hurricanes are real hurricanes i think there's a hurricane coming up right now towards mexico uh yeah it's coming hurricanes typhoons tsunamis uh volcanic eruptions pandemics all kinds of things the ego has come up with and it's just part of a pre-arranged script it's like a movie that's it's an intricate ingeniously designed movie to keep you from knowing who you are to keep you from seeing it's all just your thoughts and these aren't even your real thoughts they're just a bunch of illusory thoughts that are mesmerizing hypnotizing the mind into thinking that it's separate from god and all of these thoughts and images come from the ego so we are going to watch a movie tonight that will help us free our mind from the egoic belief system and the egoic thoughts because as long as you try to escape it as a person and you have your faith in being a person you will at some point discover as in the movie dark city there was an inspector a detective who basically said as it was inspector walensky who said there's no way out i've tried everything it's circular it's a circular trap so it's kind of like a hamster on the wheel it doesn't matter how fast you pedal and paddle you don't get out from inside the wheel you have to get outside the wheel and so that's what we're going to do with tonight's movie that's really important as far as becoming miracle minded because if you try to become miracle minded still as a person like personally miracle minded and then you get into maybe you use things like the the secret and manifesting and you can create your own reality and the power of positive thinking and affirmations and mantras and there's all kinds of different things that the ego can take it and it can turn it just enough so that you don't get out of that wheel you can seem to try to make a better illusion is what the ego will say you're not satisfied with it with your life make it better and yet um francis and i were talking right before we came over about how ingenious this trap is of the world because um actually francis was reading the urancha book and it was talking about the times back around jesus and how there was the ruling class which we'll say basically is the romans the romans might the roman strength of the roman empire they basically are the ruling class so a punches pilot and the the rulers the ones that are put in charge basically they can live the best life that the world has to offer it had nice little swimming pools and baths and have nice fruit and dancing girls and belly dancers and you know if you're a roman back at the time you know you're going to try to make the best of it and and then there's there's as francis was describing there's layers and levels of slavery where there's many different levels that are underneath the ruling class and then all of these levels everybody's in part of a system where they have to do whatever the rulers say there's not many of the rulers and then there's there's levels of slavery and then you could even pay and you could get paid you get paid you can get paid as a slave you can get a salary as a slave which makes you feel like you're a little bit better than somebody else and even though you're still a slave you get paid it's part of the ego's trick to keep you believing in the whole system and nowadays we have jobs and careers it's it's slavery but it's got all the perks of technology and all kinds of comforts conveniences gadgets and distractions on the internet you know people can access the internet now in wider and wider ways and they say you tell me that the pornography on the internet is like the the big thing casinos online and pornography they said that's the most lucrative thing I think there's I mean if you're going to be a spiritual teacher there's the create your own reality group where they work on manifesting and material abundance and everything and that's a pretty sneaky thing too because you can seem to have the best of both worlds the spiritual world and the ego's world oh but Jesus says they don't meet they don't mix and so we were talking on the way over about Francis was saying well nothing has really changed in the last 2000 years we have a more sophisticated prison and that the ego is ingenious so it just invents more and more sophisticated distractions and more and more sophisticated ways of keeping the mind asleep because if the mind wakes up then it's game over for the ego and that's not what the ego wants the ego wants it game over for God and and the ego is the game so we were talking too is that one of the things that I learned not just from reading the course but from watching Gandhi from reading and watching St. Francis Mother Teresa Romana Maharshi all the great saints we showed Yogananda's movie was that last week yeah it's all happening so fast it's simultaneous I can't even remember was that yesterday's less than today was that Yogananda yeah it's all happening simultaneously but for me it wasn't just picking up the course but I was feeling moved by non-possession by non-control by no ownership by why don't we share everything why is it so difficult to share and share everything you know even when I would would travel around and people would take me into their homes I would kind of marvel at all when I was traveling at all the different houses all the different cars and that each house had its own set of silverware its own couches its own beds its own cars and its own light fixtures and fans and everything and I was like wow it's everybody has their own they're like yeah that's the way it is on this planet everybody has their own you know this isn't David the world is not some kind of commune the world is not some kind of big living breathing community it's individualism it's autonomy it's each one to his own and I thought well what that's not what the saints were teaching and that's really not what Jesus is teaching and so this idea for me of non-possession and non-ownership some people were even telling me that's radical David you better better not say that you're not going to get invited to any course conferences if you start talking about non-attachment non-possession non-ownership that's too radical you're just going to call you a cult and a sect and they're just going to label and dismiss you and you're going to end up in the dusts by the side of the road if you start talking about those radical things I say well what book are you reading well the same one but what's the lesson 128 say to you the world I see holds nothing that I want what part of nothing that I want don't you understand you know David watch out that's too radical come on now you're not gonna you're not gonna make it if you start going too radical come back to planet earth but actually every time I watch a Jesus movie or a st. Francis movie or Gandhi or whatever I'm always struck by the peacefulness the simplicity the happiness and it's not coming from the images of the world and so when you start to understand the metaphysics you see that that the ego made this time space cosmos and this world to keep you mindless it doesn't want you to know that that there is such a thing as a mind it may talk about thoughts but it doesn't want you to actually think that they're completely invisible like this completely invisible thing called a state of mind in fact the ego even likes it when you talk about rewiring the brain or thoughts being like little neurotransmitter that are moving in the gray matter a little electrical impulses the ego likes to take something like thought and put it into the brain as if a brain thinks and then Jesus comes along and he says no the body doesn't feel the body doesn't think even though if you point up here a lot of times to the head it's like again reinforcing the thoughts are little neurotransmitters happening in the brain and no thoughts are not neurotransmitters and thoughts are not in the brain and the mind is not the brain and the body he tells us the body is outside you and he says that in order to in lesson 135 in order to free yourself and free your mind and wake up to the kingdom of heaven you have to see the body actually as something quite apart from you because it's the longest lesson in the book and he says anytime you you do anything for the body you plan for it you do anything for its betterment you do anything to protect it you do anything to preserve it you do anything at all that involves the body you're always dealing with the past or the future you cannot know the mind except in the holy instant the divine mind and you cannot know who you are till you access the holy instant the present moment and he says in that lesson you know he says don't activate the past don't organize the present and don't plan the future whoa that's amazing that's amazing that just he's actually giving the big I need do nothing invitation right there and I think it's the same lesson where he talks about the you can't know the problem that the plan was meant to solve the means and and the outcome you can't know the outcome which is best in any situation you cannot know the outcome which is best the means by which to achieve the the solution or you cannot even know the problem that the plan is meant to solve talk about being clueless you have to be super super super clueless to to not activate the past organize the president plan the future did not know the means outcome which is best or the problem the plan is meant to solve when I look at that I actually was going through that lesson today mentally and I was just thinking oh my gosh it's it's got everything in it because all of the even the ethics of this world the the legal systems of the world the rules of this world the social norms the morays even in your family if you have certain codes of behavior or beliefs that are operating in the family all of those things are defenses against the holy instant so you have to really be willing to to let it all go oftentimes in spirituality you know there there is a sense at at trying to achieve a balance and I think even when we talk about balance we we really have to be really clear what we're talking about when we talk about balance because the world is of duality was set up by the ego to keep the mind ping-ponging back and forth between opposites so that it would never know the stillness of be still and know that I'm God it's set up a world of opposites and even when you talk about balance and equilibrium you have to be careful that you're not talking about equilibrium between things in the world because the peace of God is not reached through any kind of in-betweenness because in-betweenness implies two or more multiplicity and that's a projection of the ego and that's how sneaky this ego is even if you think you oh I'll have peace if I have harmony in my house uh you know Jesus is saying well it's not actually going to come about in your house it's it's in your mind and to me living a life of non-possession non-control non-competition of of diving into miracles diving into purpose diving into function going for this I think really the only way that you can actually come to a consistent state of peace or happiness and joy is you have to radically go for the teachings of Jesus Christ I mean radically not have heartedly not 80 90 95 percent you still will encounter the prison even with a 95 percent of effectiveness but what we want to do tonight that's why I think it's number one in the poll miracle mindedness is that's our that's our direction buddha called it the middle way I think Jesus just calls it the miracle and he's leading us to be consistently right minded what is a miracle but it but a a state of mind that simply sees the false is false it literally comes from above it the miracle is inspired by the Holy Spirit and then the miracle comes into consciousness which is the domain of the ego and the miracle comes in and it starts to light the mind up and then the more you start to tune into that those messages from above those beautiful beams of light those miracle beams that start coming like laser beams into your consciousness the more consistently you start to line up then the mind does light up and you do have feelings and experiences that you are not of this world you have real surreal experiences sometimes mystical experiences that are so transcendent that you you get a glimpse of heaven from the mystical experiences but as your mind lights up basically it's just the awareness that mind is causative and there is nothing outside of mind everything is mind last weekend was just a flash but last weekend I was talking about the involuntary nature of miracles that and then I was saying actually when you see this then you quickly start to see that everything is involuntary nobody's causing anything nothing's happening in the world there there aren't forces at work in the world there aren't dynamics at work in the world no the whole thing is being orchestrated by Jesus and and if you you know that's also I think in lesson 135 I keep talking about that what could you not accept if you but knew that everything is is planned by one who who knows your who knows your good if you could see the perfect orchestration of everything then you wouldn't have a care in the world because you wouldn't believe there's a world to care about you know you you would be so in your mind your divine mind so unified that you would not react or respond to the images anymore and Jesus is a great example of that I mean going through his his earth life those three years of public teaching ministry including the crucifixion and the resurrection that was a great example in fact we had a good list of maybe seven eight nine movies but we've chosen a Jesus movie again because what better way can we find the miracle mindedness than by watching the master and not only the master this Jesus movie is a little bit different angle than most of your Jesus movies this is we just recently not too long ago we had an angle through Mary Magdalene which was a beautiful angle now we're going to get a different angle we're going to get kind of the angle of a roman centurion a non-believer someone who's who's watching the whole thing from his self-concept of a roman centurion from of being a roman soldier a leader and and to me this is probably even more spectacular because the contrast is amazing when your whole belief system is based on an external world which for a roman centurion it definitely is Julius Caesar is at the top of the slave system I think he's pretty much on top of the whole world at this point I think well if you look at history there were some clashes even Caesar you know there's always competition Cleopatra they oh there was things going on there in the middle east Caesar thought oh I got the Mediterranean underground then Cleopatra you know but see this has been going on for centuries and centuries and centuries but here we've got a roman guard who's right there at the time of Jesus and the other thing I was just telling the group here I really like clavius that's it clavius I got the name right I don't want to just sound like a jello or something uh clavius the roman centurion you know he's got he thinks he's basically got a job to do as a soldier as a leader but in his heart he's really not so caught up with this whole idea of war and killing people he has a wife a family back in Rome and he would really like things to settle down so he can get back to his family his wife and family and just get a house outside of Rome somewhere in the country and just live a peaceful life so even the roman centurion is yearning for peace and he's yearning for it in the future like a few other billion people on the planet are looking for peace but it seems like a future achievement and then Jesus is coming along with his beautiful message of the kingdom of heaven is at hand and he's teaching a state of mind that is readily available but is covered over by schemes of slavery hierarchies possession competition and all the things that this world seems to have as part of the mask or the the veil that covers over the the christ so tonight we will watch the movie risen and we are kind of on a jesus role because we're working our way towards the our retreat coming of the beginning of november which is titled jesus our beloved elder brother jesus our beloved elder brother so we are on a jesus role and even though i i did really try to consider a lot of different movies then but the number one poll sitter was miracle mindedness so it's pretty obvious that uh this movie really gets at the miracle mindedness because uh of of one of the characters in the movie is jesus and he kind of it's it stacks the deck miracle mindedness so so i think we're going to enjoy it and um i think um i think susan jamison weren't we talking recently about the the uh our favorite jesus in all the jesus movies wasn't it was it this one it wasn't you it was somebody else well this is this definitely has to be one of the best jesus's because it's he's such a happy peaceful uh jesus you know we always like the laughing jesus but this is really a very happy peaceful jesus and uh some people have told me he kind of looks mexican uh we live around this every day we so we we get we get a lot of it uh but but that's part of our it's a state of mind i think you just draw forth the witnesses but i think i think in this case um they still i think we still see a crucifixion um scene of jesus on on the cross but that gets used as part of a contrast for our our clavius our roman centurion because um that's a pretty big contrast between a a crucified jesus and a resurrected jesus even in the world of images that's like that's a mind blowing um uh image to see uh from what you think you saw what you think you knew and then have your entire thought system inverted uh in one instant and and that's basically what the miracle does it it puts cause and effect back in the proper order and it shows that you're dreaming a dream and that that what you think you see is is actually not the truth but for those of us who have have been watching this dream for many many years um we do need our miracles and our glimpses and our our you might say radical shifts of mind to start to show us the things as they really are not as we have believed them to be from our past perspective so sit back enjoy the movie and i will pop in during the movie for a little bit of commentary as we go to escape the matrix and we rise up ourselves in in the light okay we have a jesus movie that's starting off with it is finished and starting off with the crucifixion scene uh so this gives us a good um context for this world because we can see that even compared to today's standards this is a pretty seemingly barbaric world um even into by today's standards and but it's more than barbaric and more than overtly violent seemingly there's there's clashes between the romans and the jews there's clashes inside in between people that are part of the the jews the zealots are like the rebellious nature barabas and the zealots were fighting in the first scene uh the romans the romans are there to rule and to keep order and so basically pilot has has sent clavius out to keep order like set things right and we also see this is this is not too different from today's politics i mean anything that seems political we we seem to have a lot of political clashes that are going on in the world in the united states the polarization seems to have grown greater and greater and again this this world we're seeing gallally 2000 years ago is is really showing that that polarization of course that's what the ego has done it's made a projection of of the hatred it's taken its own hatred of god the ego has a huge hatred of god and then it's projected out on onto the world and yet it it always wants god to grant reality to the dream world and so there's a lot of rage that god hasn't granted the wish that the ego wished this world of time and space be real god would not be god with that kind of granting that wish so that wish is not granted and yet the projection of that hatred goes out on to to the world so it's an interesting beginning in the sense that now we can really start to look closer at the ego and all of its motives and backstories because in most jesus movies you know we have the so-called virgin birth it even rolls back before the virgin birth and then it rolls all the way through jesus becoming a teacher the messiah three years of public teaching then a crucifixion and then as a resurrection so we're starting this movie at the time of of him uh bleeding on the cross and again this is just helpful for us whenever you're tempted to watch the news whenever you're tempted to take a side a political side whenever you're ever wanting to advocate for or against something of this world in in the world we perceive today this is where a teaching device like this comes in handy remember our workbook lesson for the day is i can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts the ego does not want you to realize that because as soon as you realize that then that is the beginning of the end for the ego belief system in your mind because without projection and without denial and repression the ego it just gets exposed and then when you expose it and you look at it you think i can't i don't want to invest my mind energy in this anymore talk about russian roulette or talk about a death wish why would you give your mind over to a death wish that you saw exactly as it was but if you didn't see it exactly as it was and you just saw an external world where some things looked attractive some things looked unattractive some things look like they were worth pursuing worth striving for worth fighting for other things look like they're worth destroying or worth avoiding but it's a trick the things jesus says in the course the dreams that you think you'd like can hold you back as much as those in which the fear has entered i'll say that again the dreams that you think you like can hold you back as much as those where the fear has entered so so much for the secret so much for manifesting the the world of your dreams um if as long as there's a hierarchy of illusions and you've got some illusions that are better than others that just denies that they're all illusions how can you have good illusion and bad illusion illusion is it means by definition not real so that would be like having good not real and bad not real attractive not real and unattractive not real this is where the metaphysics of the course are so helpful they're really saving us time collapsing the alpha and the omega showing it's all simultaneous because it's it's saying don't be tempted to take a side or don't be tempted to before or against anything in this world sometimes when people hear that they go wow that sounds really passive that's passive and i think in our last retreat to the weekend uh eric had that quote forgiveness is quiet what's it does nothing forgiveness is still and quietly does nothing forgiveness is still and quietly does nothing it looks and waits and watches judge is not if you want to call that passive be my guest if you want to call that passive that sounds meek to me that's as meek as you get but but now we're watching some pretty intensely from the ego's perspective intensely violent scenes and you can see that clavius is like he looks like somebody who's got a job that he's not too happy with you know even when he's all bloodied and he comes in from a battle you know the the prefect wants to see you you know ponsious pilot and and so he goes in there and and basically he gets a few jokes from the from ponsious pilot and then go out there and keep the order restore order because that's part of governing when you're on top of the chain that covers what uh francis said there was all these layers of slavery when you're the one governing it the one thing you have to do to keep the rule to keep on top of the system of slavery is you have to keep some semblance of order if everything turns a chaos and mayhem then you then you that topples over the the ruling class that top it topples over the few that seem to be in charge so even from the ego system the ego doesn't care if you minimize fear as long as you don't let it go that's what all defense mechanisms do they they actually keep the ego in place by minimizing fear and and and yet keeping the fear keeping the guilt so we'll see where it goes from here but wow if you think that was graphic at the beginning we're just getting warmed up here but this is a great forgiveness movie this is fantastic forgiveness movie because if you have any emotions reactions that come up you can see that that even though jesus has been crucified the threat is perceived as as still there and this is really showing us that this is a world of ideas and the the issue that we've got going on is conflicting ideas in the mind there was Joseph of Arimathea a sanhedrin but but actually mourning yes she was passing saying he was special and then we have Caiaphas and the other sanhedrin and it they went in there like a political mob to pilot they're like saying oh you need to uh either burn the body or you need to make sure that this body doesn't disappear now you can see the pressures on it's not enough to have a dead jesus but the pressure is he said he would rise again and they're saying they don't even expect that they don't think he's going to rise again but a missing body oh that just turns the mythology of jesus they're like now we're never going to hear the end of this that there's Yahweh one god instead of many god there is Yahweh and that jesus came and he said he would rise again and if and now the sanhedrin are going oh my god worst nightmare if that body disappears if that stone if that that we need a seal we need to get some something that we can fight this idea of a risen jesus so it's clearly showing us that it's it's it's the idea is where the threats are it's not that people are threats it's conflicting ideas in the mind because jesus has come he's taught his teachings he he went through the the crucifixion and now he's been put in joseph obera matthias family's tomb and the concern for pilot and the concern for the sanhedrin is they have to have a body and they have to have the evidence they're very concerned about the outcome not just the death but they have to have a dead body to show to disprove the myth they're thinking what jesus was talking about about rising again is a myth we cannot have that myth there'll be more unrest if the jews go he's the one he was the one and he said he would rise again and now his body's he's rose again and for years to come decades centuries to come there was yeah he he did and so they don't even aren't even anticipating a resurrected body they just know that they have to have a body isn't this the same when we have crime scenes and murders if if if somebody is killed then it's like the ego shifts into overdrive who did it where is the body you know agatha christie what would agatha christie ever done with her murder novels if it wasn't about finding the body except this time it's with jesus like the sanhedrin are going oh no you have to you have to have we have to have a body we have to have a body of evidence that this zealot rebel who who was blaspheming all the time you can see from the sanhedrin point of view he was the enemy he was the enemy to traditional judaism he's the enemy of all traditions and judaism because he would say your sins are forgiven they ready to stone him when he'd say that because what do you mean who do you think you're god to forgive sins the jewish believe only god can forgive sins now we have the course god does not forgive for he has never condemned boy they'd really have the stones out it's a good thing we're here in 2020 we just have a a plague to deal with not going around saying god didn't create the world and and you know and god doesn't forgive here come the rocks but actually you can see that this is really showing us this movie is showing us that the problem is conflicting ideas and that's why the holy instant the present moment that's why the atonement is so important because the atonement is saying there aren't conflicting ideas that forgiveness comes from the holy spirit but forgiveness is a unifying belief it's it's an illusion because in in heaven there's nothing to forgive but in terms of the separation it's a unifying belief that's why forgiveness is one it's one unified mind it's like the quantum field it's completely unified it's not multiple it's not diverse it's not it's not dualistic it's just one it's one correction with a capital C that's the atonement and that's what jesus was teaching and demonstrating so i think this is a fascinating movie because now now we're seeing the the the power that the ego gives to the belief in martyrdom martyrdom it's the ego says martyrdom is dangerous because people may believe something and other people may believe something else and it could be a big conflict and this goes on all the time when somebody dies some say oh so-and-so was a murder some say they were a saint some say good things about them some say bad things but it's really showing us that the conflict is going on in the mind and as long as you have conflicting beliefs in the mind that is the definition too of a split mind and jesus is saying the ego is unreal the holy spirit is the remembrance of of reality the ego is a death wish the holy spirit is the remembrance of eternal life and that's our choice and believe me they don't conflict why because one is real and one is not and jesus says that in the course truth does not fight against illusions nor do illusions battle with the truth illusions battle only with themselves as long as you have conflicting ideas that you're trying to hold on into your mind jesus calls this dissociation he says you're trying to believe things that that aren't true and you're trying to hold on to things and even in terms of of the ego and the holy spirit he's saying the definition of a split mind is you want them both you want them both in your mind and that's dissociation you're you are deluded if you think that love and fear can coexist he's saying you are deluded if you believe that now jesus is going to demonstrate to us that that you don't have to believe in both you actually can hear one voice and you can actually line up totally with the light and and have nothing to do whatsoever with the ego and with the darkness but these scenes are just packed and loaded because they're giving us huge insights of of what we need to do to escape the conflict and the escape is not going to come from something in form from a form outcome in this case the sanhedrin do not want the myth of of jesus the messiah to continue on they want to put a rest put to an end the belief in a jesus as a messiah and in order to do that they just only need one piece of evidence one thing a body and if you think agatha christie had to have a body search you're going to see one of the strongest body searches now because pilot needs a body he he's got a group of people the sanhedrin that are that are like saying you think it's bad now you you ain't seen nothing if if you don't prove and bring an end to this messiah complex you better bring a quick end to the messiah complex or you're really going to to get it and and of course pilot's joking with him he's yeah yeah i thought you're not supposed to work on the Sabbath and they're coming to him on the Sabbath so he's like let me enjoy my sunday here and he's pointing out their contradiction but you know they they said no no no this is really important so we're going to see now coming up one of the the the strongest body searches in the history even colombo would have been impressed with this one because this is like a major body search because the motive underneath it is have to have the evidence to stop the the messiah myth from growing too big in proportion so clavius is is is quite disturbed at the first first witnesses that he's interviewed because it it goes against his belief system he he is interrogating them in order to find the evidence and and ultimately to try to find the body that's what he's looking for a body of evidence uh to support the belief system and this is what jesus says in the workbook he says that when the mind is asleep and believes in the ego it's constantly trying to justify its thoughts with the projected world it's always looking for evidence all of the legal systems all of the ethical systems all of the systems of rulings and judges and all these outcomes jesus says are just attempts to justify these ego thoughts and that's why he says in the course anger is never justified and then he says the beginning of the next paragraph pardon is always justified because he's teaching us that whenever you use anything in form or any form outcomes to support your thoughts you are wanting to be right rather than happy you are you are caught up in an delusional system where you're trying to collect evidence that was even projected by the ego you're trying to collect evidence to prove being right about something to make a point to win an argument to be right about anything is to try to use witnesses of the world and evidence from the world to justify the thinking and he's saying it won't work you actually have to give up these judgments that's why he thought judge not you can't ever use anything of the world as a justification for what you're thinking or feeling because your thoughts and your feelings and your beliefs have produced the world so it's a closed system the attack thoughts and the projected world are a closed loop and that's why it's that's why people commit suicide that's why people are clinically depressed that's why people go through panic attacks anxiety is because it's a closed loop system between jesus would say the thoughts you think you think and the images you think you see and it's so tight it's it's completely closed there's no way anything can enter except a miracle he says you you may believe you would need a miracle to see something different yes you do he says you you need a miracle to come and intervene between your mind and these thoughts you think you think and these images you think my mind is preoccupied with past thoughts my meaningless shots thoughts are showing me a meaningless world he's describing a tight loop of ego so here he's seen some some witnesses and he kind of looking at his assistant like oh great now you're bringing me a blind one he just gives him a look like blind woman great great and then she comes in and witnesses he loved me you know he lifted me up he lifted you up you know he's just now he's he's everything but but even the first two witnesses the woman the blind woman i heard his voice i heard his voice on the street i hear voices yeah yeah you hear voices you know you can see this the sarcasm of clavius you know because he's like wow i'm getting nowhere here but nothing really has prepared him for this next witness this next witness is like someone from our community to go in who's into no private thoughts and no people pleasing who's into you promise to swear the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god and now this clavius is not prepared for because he's used to meeting a bunch of scared jewish people even the the blind woman and the the first one that he saw you know you know it's like oh you're a roman yeah yeah there's fear but not this next witness now we have true empathy coming in who doesn't seem to care about the world or the romans or the jews or the sanhedrin or anything because we have actually a disciple of he's asking the disciples because he's on a body hunt but now he finds one who's going to come in so let's enjoy this because this is the beginning of the unraveling of clavius's egoic thought system and it takes a witness to a miracle to unravel something that's so tightly wound in there with so much evidence um you know he he thinks he doesn't really know what to believe about jesus but he's still on the pathway of following his boss to find the body and and be able to protect rom and the sanhedrin from this mythical belief that a risen messiah will come back to overthrow rome and overthrow the whole jewish traditional religion that's that's a big threat to in the eyes of the roman empire the messiah to overthrow you know they've heard that wait till the messiah comes you know barabbas told him eubis wait till the messiah comes so now talk about egg on your face pie cream pie in the face the romans do not want that and the sanhedrin don't want that either they want to keep the people subservient to the the jewish ruling class and the romans want to keep the the jewish ruling class and everybody else subservient to caesar so there's a lot at stake here and here we go he's he's asking for witnesses so here we go i think this is our this is our return something to your eyes and if it's a video something to your ears and this is what every search is about and and clavius based on his belief system based on his entire perception of the world it's all based on finding the solution every murder mystery every curiosity of the world is the same search and and yet that's why we have a course in miracles because there is a moment when everything stops and you suddenly realize that perhaps you were wrong about everything absolutely everything that you've ever believed ever so here we go this is the beginning of miracle-mindedness when he's found he's seen mary magnella in the upper room and he's charging one piece of evidence that contradicts everything that he's ever believed and now he's kind of in the middle he doesn't know what what to do that's what's so good about this movie it's for all of us the first time we start to have these experiences you know it's uh it's it's a talk about a turnaround wow now we should we have we could have byron katie comment on that turnaround when he walks upstairs into that upper room and sees that it's in the whole thought system has been contradicted he wrote that in his letter that he left you know i've seen two contradictory things i've seen a man who's dead and i've seen the same man alive and and that just that one experience is what we can call like a crack there's a crack in the cosmic consciousness there's a crack in the belief system and it does take that crack to begin the process of miracle-mindedness to be convinced by miracles but it just takes one moment of evidence that contradicts every single thing that you believe and then that's that's the crack right there and then it just opens the mind up to what it's called miracle-mindedness it's it's called that's the number one theme on our poll the miracle-mindedness it has begun when there's an experience that doesn't fit with what came before it doesn't fit with what the past has taught no longer can the past be relied on as sure it has a crack in it a crack in the armor of of defenses so you know he's at this point he is following along the apostles as they head towards Galilee and and he's heard Mary Magdalene say that that he he will appear again and so they're into listen and follow they're just following this guidance that they've heard and and happily moving along and trusting which they've been doing for three years of Jesus's public ministry but but the fascinating thing is Clavius because Clavius is now he's he doesn't consider himself an apostle he doesn't consider himself a disciple and I don't think he's sure what he is now if somebody asked him are you a believer it's just been one flesh kind of like the guard that's talked about the flesh that happened at night when they were sleeping and he had fear of this flesh and he told the story and when Clavius said you had been drinking you know it you had the liquor that was tainted in some way you know it was doctored with and then that was something he could really you think so oh you know he he was looking for any kind of evidence that could explain what he went through on that night and Clavius was offering something that he was like oh but he said or it could be that what we what I saw was the truth you know and and that's what happened to Clavius now he is he doesn't know what to make of anything and I think that's that's very common on the spiritual journey on the journey of awakening it there comes disorientation there comes disillusionment there comes a sense of of doubt of wondering suspecting wandering Jesus says in the course doubt will come and go and go to come again yet is the ending certain he's pointing towards the light but he's saying there's going to be a lot of back and forth and a lot of wavering and just the way Clavius is positioned at a distance you can tell he has seen enough for him to follow along from a distance like he is not ready to get too close because again there's something about what he perceived if that is true then he must have been very completely mistaken about a lot of things and he's got a lot of question marks flying around in his his mind but I think that's what makes this into a really good teaching movie when you start to take it in when you start to really take it in you can start to see wow this is what I'm confronted with as I go through a day times I I see things that that don't measure up evidence-wise and yet this is the transition of opening to become more miracle minded and consistently miracle minded it's a convincing it's like the Holy Spirit has to convince the mind that it's been completely wrong about absolutely everything that it's perceived and that's why we have a course in miracles starting off with lesson number one nothing I see means anything it's a it's a mind training program that's actually designed to take you right there where Jesus is is leading but I find it fascinating to to watch this because in one sense this angle on the whole thing is is a very very different angle you never read the book of clavius in the new testament but actually it could be there if you see what he's seen and and how his mind has just been turned in in that one sighting then that is definitely a crack to to miracle mindedness I mean I thought I'd be even showing some comedy movies like bruce almighty and there's definitely a turnaround that occurs in there but morgan freeman playing god has to do quite a lot of convincing of bruce in a comical way to convince him that that it's much different than what bruce thinks it is but in this movie this is is striking because you know the this roman man has was quite sure of himself until that one scene and then everything started to dismantle and loosen so it's a beautiful movie I just I hope you're enjoying it as much as I am watching that face on clavius when he goes in that room and then he kind of staggers out and and tells his assistant stand down tell them all to stand down because in his mind he's he's standing down he couldn't really say anything else I don't think he could come up with another word or another set of words because his mind was totally stunned by that and that that has got to be one of the best moments in beautiful beautiful beautiful I think yeah as I was watching that it reminded me of the the past weekend where I was talking about miracles are involuntary and and everything just comes down to pray listen and follow and then that's the convincing when you do that in fact in the urtext it was I think it was edited out of the public published edition of the course but there was a part in the urtext where Jesus was basically saying I I need active miracle workers and he he gave an instruction there in the urtext and it was listen learn and do and actually I had a friend of mine from Hong Kong was writing asked me all kinds of questions about practicing his workbook lesson and and and I did write to him he said well how how is this going to work and what is the key and I said wow it's practical application he said question mark and more you know he was typing texting me on facebook messenger and I said you know listen learn and do listen and follow that that is everything and I noticed in this movie that after clavius went up searching searching to find the the apostles opened the door and saw what he saw that was the that was his turnaround moment and then he heard what he heard which is basically Mary Mary mangling said I have heard because they were all the disciples are wondering apostles saying what do we do what do we do and she said you've heard it from him go you know go to Galilee and he will he will see you there and so that was a decision point right there for clavius you know does he flee does he return back to pilot in his position does he follow the apostles he followed he followed along that was his big turning point his listen and follow and then he stayed his distance but then once it came to a point when the the Roman soldiers and the tracker were getting closer and closer then that's exactly how the Holy Spirit works as soon as you take the step to follow and you follow and you follow then even if you're keeping your distance the Holy Spirit's MO which is method of operation is you will be given opportunities soon as you say yes as soon as you follow then here come the opportunities and then he immediately said you know that they have a tracker they can't know that we're up here the apostles said they already do and he sprung right into action trying to help the apostles escape from the top of the ridge where they were through through the crevices and the cracks only to come upon his assistant his loyal assistant here we go this is exactly how the Holy Spirit works oh you're gonna follow yes at a distance but you're following yes still had his defenses up you know when Simon Peter came to bring him water he he the old test reactions came out as he jumped into defense mode only to have Peter say it was water and pour the whole canteen out water he sliced me on the on the leg for the water I was bringing you know and then he took uh Clovis's sword and hurled it like that is not helpful here not helpful at all and yet after that he did he was given the opportunity by the Holy Spirit to spring into action and when confronted with his assistant seemingly ready to cry out and give their location and everything you know he did come to that point where he was able to say to his former assistant there are no enemies here and so there was he was springing immediately the spirit had him springing into action what Jesus tells us in the course is teach what you would learn and teach only love for that is what you are he he went from from this role that he had of serving pilot and to to this role of of teaching peace and teaching there are no enemies here and eventually as as he told his former assistant just go just walk forward and say nothing and um and then made sure the apostles were able to to get away you could see that that that's exactly how we lay aside the past we lay aside the former roles his his role of serving Caesar and of serving Pontius Pilate had ended and uh and he taught it he taught it right there he taught it his first chance this is exactly how the Holy Spirit works he he has you open yourself to ideas open yourself with faith open yourself to believing and then we he brings in these teach what you are these uh i guess that's the second lesson of the Holy Spirit you know the first lesson is to have give all to all the second lesson of the Holy Spirit is to have peace teach peace to learn it and there it was he had to step out of the role and he had to see his assistant as a brother and he had to teach peace and he did and he had to be very strong in his faith he was called upon to have his faith right there and that's the convincing it just goes it just are presented with situations where you teach what you would learn and that's the method of of awakening that's how spiritual awakening occurs and then as he went to the Sea of Galilee and he saw the faith that they all had and he followed them out into the fishing boat and he watched as they threw their net out and and the fish it came in with fish and he watched as as Simon Peter saw Jesus and followed what Jesus had said from the shore throw cast your net to the right of the boat and and then he watched them run out into the water with such glee and happiness and run over and surround Jesus so so happy and again these are the witnesses these are the witnesses of faith he has to teach what he would learn his tender brand new faith is put to the test and off he goes and including that night before Jesus was ready to disappear you know when he went up and sat next to him and said I don't even know what to ask and he had this beautiful calm tranquil very friendly soft encounter with Jesus and you can see in one sense I feel like he had turned the corner he was on his way it's kind of like that he was on his way his way was set and he could say to the man that was hosting him at the at the very beginning and end of the movie he could say I believe he had turned the corner he had turned the corner of belief and that is no small thing that is no small thing I was talking to a friend recently who was going through some fear and resistance and everything and was really pondering things pretty deeply and I said well I said you know it still comes down to faith I said even Helen Shuckman who's somewhere in her mind agreed to take down this course in miracles as her conscious perception of herself as a research the atheistic research psychologist at a prestigious Colombian Presbyterian Medical Center resisted and fought and kicked and and had enormous difficulty scribing the course over seven years and then after the course received a couple more pamphlets psychotherapy pamphlets sung a prayer and then as her life continues on it did not get easier she didn't quite have it in her to turn the corner she was very protective after the course first came and she was would say things to Bill like I can't believe what they're doing with my course she was she was you know like a mother who had given birth to a child and the course was now her baby I can't believe what these people are saying and doing about my course so she was kind of like very protective mother and also very extremely resistant to the teachings so much so that Helen Shuckman was quoted as saying when asked about the course is the course is the course really true Helen said oh I know it's true I just don't believe it so there you have it from the scribe but there you see Flavius Flavius 2000 years ago Roman working for Caesar working for things and of course he had in his fighting in appearance that was pretty strong talk about a crack in cosmic consciousness that was a crack and the first time I saw this movie I was just wow I love it on the big screen what a scene he follows Mary Magdalene with his with his sword pushes the door open and walks through and oh the unexpected nature of the miracle you never know when it will strike but that that was enough that was enough of a crack that he followed he followed he still was staggered he still was disoriented you could tell he could he was walking very slowly when he went back into that room the second time those legs were moving very very slowly he looks he looked like a boxer that got hit on the chin you know he was still on his feet but he was he was staggered he was walking very slowly and then he slumped down against the wall and just took it in it reminded me of that in Solaris that movie I used to teach spiritual awakening where the the Chris Calvin played by George Clooney you know when he comes to the little boy at the end and the ship is getting closer to Solaris with the kind of the pink light and then the little boy comes over to him and and he Chris Calvin just the psychologist like just crumples up against the wall very much like Clavius did just crumpled up and then the little boy reaches out his hand that's like the Christ child saying you know have faith have faith i'm here i'm with you as Solaris the lights are getting more in the ship seems to be being engulfed in Solaris which to me was just symbolic of of the divine law as you as you give so show you receive except the closer they got to Solaris and that's why his his wife Rhea appeared to him and and he was so frightened when she appeared because that broke his his belief that when the in the dead and gone he thought Rhea had committed suicide and she was dead and gone in that movie and then when she appeared again he was so terrified it broke his perception so radically that he put her in a little space capsule and he ejected her out into the cosmos that's a good symbol of of the fear of the light and yet we saw it on the the guard's face you know the flesh that he talked about you know the rope the ropes burst and the and the the stone was hurled away like a little fish you know he was and and that that shattered his perception and he is hoping that he was drunk because if he wasn't drunk then okay how do i handle that how do i handle take something in where does that fit into my belief system because it's so far outside but we saw with with clavius you know he it shattered his um his belief system in the world and then he had a choice right there and he's he came back in there right where he had seen the scene the first time and he crumpled against the wall and he listened and when they said it's gala lee we're you know we're going to go see him again in gala lee he followed at at a distance but he followed and then he was given his opportunities and that just to me that movie is so symbolic for all of us on the on the journey yes we have things that that shatter our perception you know we we have these subtle unconscious beliefs in the future and they are projections of our past and we do project through the ego we project into a future how will it go or some of you might remember the truman show uh when um what was her name silvia showed up on on came to the library to see truman and she had a pin that she was wearing a sweater a red sweater and a pin how how will it end you know we have those how will it end thoughts and we take thoughts from the past and we project them in the future and we say how will it end and then we have this small still voice inside and it's telling us relax it was never begun you're in a conundrum you're in a conundrum wondering how will this impossible situation end what will become of me in the future if i keep having the faith to follow this already we draw forth mixed witnesses in this egoic world and yet there's something that grows stronger and stronger and slowly it's not so much about how will it end but but it comes back to the present moment it comes back to what all the mystics and saints have talked how am i now is is the question it's never how will it end it is always how am i now what what am i willing to accept of myself now the ego asked the first question what am i but christ never asked that question christ doesn't have a question and and that is the the certainty that that beckons to us and calls to us so i think i think even those lines from jesus at the end you know that were meant to be really holy spirit coming through as a comfort like you know go go share the message share the good news and share it to the ends of the world he's just saying listen now and follow i bring to you the holy spirit i i deliver the holy spirit to you now here is my commandment listen and follow you know love god and love your neighbor as yourself and listen and follow to the comforter that i i have delivered to you i have i have hand delivered it the kingdom of heaven is at hand i've hand delivered the holy spirit now it's up to to you to listen and to follow and he did say that when you know imagine those that have not seen he knew clavius had seen and witnessed things that had cracked his cosmic perception wide open but he said imagine those that have not seen this it's his teaching from the bible you know blessed are those that have seen and and believed far greater blessed are those who have not seen and believed you know he was talking about faith how much faith it takes because the faith is going to be in a different direction than everything of history and everything of time and space the most accepted beliefs of all of history doesn't matter which ones you you even choose are are all false forgive your your brother for what he did not do what for what he did not do it must be that that everything that was believed about linear time and space had no validity whatsoever i kept feeling that strong when i was going through lesson 135 today my defenselessness my safety lies i was like wow it's just just so clear just so clear like don't don't give a thought for the morrow take no thought for the morrow and he's just asking us to come back to listen and follow he's just saying you really really need not plan or prepare to try to make your way back into the kingdom of heaven but you you can listen and follow and that everything will be given you everything every instruction everything that you need will be given in this moment so thank you what a what a profound movie we had to i can't think no wonder it's the miracles are involuntary i can't even imagine another movie for teaching miracle lamb chop is giving us the thumbs up thank you so let's open it wide open up to everybody and let's just see what everybody experienced and what everybody's feeling and and just what a beautiful profound opportunity we have to share this together anybody would like to raise their hand i've put the instructions in the chat there okay and um you can start with ester go ahead hi david hi hi um this miracle mindedness um is what i want to think about um allen was saying you know try not to plan and you know like with my mother or anything just bring presence to the um situation and um presence has gotten me to have her open the course as an oracle and the print is too small so i read it to her and it used to be that um she would have to stop me in the middle and say she can't take it and now she's sitting quietly and and listening we do a lesson we've done it two days in a row now and yet um i find myself still having myself reminding her about brushing her teeth and um and using things for her teeth um and i'm not feeling very joyful about it even though because i think because i still invest i don't know i don't know what's going on i i had a great day with her and yet i don't feel joyful about it i i feel burdened and i i don't understand it everything that i've ever wanted was to communicate with her the course she doesn't believe it uh the course but she's now willing to listen to it it's amazing um we had we have great days together what am i missing well i think the thing that the lesson is is that we cannot ever judge the form so when you pray to join with your mother when you pray to to be with your mother when you pray to share your heart and to be fully connected and everything to her that's the prayer of your heart and god answers the prayer of the heart with an experience and yet we cannot really accept and and fully embrace that experience until we let go of judging the form when when people study the course in miracles it's like the course is directly meant for the mind that is encountering and experiencing the course the course really isn't for people it's kind of funny to me that we have these bodies and these little eyes these little eyes that go back and forth back and forth and read this book but but god knows the prayer of your heart before you utter a word before you read the course or even with your mother not wanting to read the course but let me ask you a question does does sarah ever sing prayers in hebrew that's that's that's her connection you see now she likes now she wants to hear the course i said to her you know you're reading the bible let's do the course too and she's willing it's interesting i never saw anything like it well that's the the beauty of it is if you hold the prayer in your heart you've done your part because everything else is is totally up to the spirit and and we're asked to follow what is on our heart and we've been practicing this every wednesday where we come into the clarity of okay what am i hearing what do i need to follow and then as far as what other people need to do how other people need to act or react what they're supposed to do or not supposed to do we simply trim those away and we let go of all expectations and here you have your mother sarah singing prayers in hebrew i would actually enjoy that i think if some if i was with somebody and they started chanting or singing in hebrew i probably would just close my eyes and start looking like steve wonder right away i'd be like i put my sunglasses on just ah you know i would find that delightful now if you if you have any expectations they're just past thoughts and the learnings and beliefs about mom mom is this way mom has these conditions mom needs to we talked about that mom needs to brush her teeth good daughter ester mustn't be the enforcer like uh arnold arnold sports today or must enforce the teeth brushing uh but you see we we approached this last week to the point where you just you can still say the thing mom did you remember to brush your teeth and you've done your part that's it you just lay it on the altar and and offered you've got something to speak but you're not chasing the outcomes and and i was talking about that at the beginning lesson 135 you know you can be so fully present with her that you don't activate the past organize the present or plan the future you don't need to know the means you don't need to know the goal you don't need to know the problem the plan was meant to solve you can be as clueless as chauncey gardener in uh being there and as happy as chauncey gardener as peaceful as chauncey gardener but just like in this movie clavius you know we saw him outgrow uh his his role in fact he had that ring on all the way through the out outgrowing of the role he certainly wasn't acting like the character that he had been before and then at the end he slides the ring off and he punks it down on the table and he says payment he's offering payment for the man that took him in and fed him and that was an amazing moment because to me and then he said i believe when he took that ring off and he said i believe that is very much like in the mary magdalene movie when when mary goes into the water to be baptized by jesus that's not an event that comes very far after her leaving her family behind leaving her father behind leaving her sister behind leaving her brother behind and she goes into that water to be baptized and she just totally gets herself over and jesus takes her head back into the water and then back again you know you i saw that as a mary magdalene surrender moment and i think you know our clavius had the same thing that he went through too where he both of them met jesus and then as soon as they met him that was it it was all over it was effectively over the ego was down for the count it was it was like it was on the mat it was on the floor and off they were going to follow jesus and and and even the time when clavius was saying to the one apostle and did you doubt did you think that he would come back and he said well he said he would but we doubted we doubted it and then he goes further this to say why why do you follow him and then he goes over to the uh what's it the leper and and and ministers to the leper and the leper you know goes and is clean his skin everything is completely clean uh and off he goes and they all witness it and he said that's why uh it's so direct the faith is there but we have to we have to find that faith inside of us you know their ego will throw up lots of evidence for doubting lots and lots and lots of evidence but but but clavius you know he really he kept the faith and then by the end of the movie you know he was walking on his way i think as as a disciple uh he he was a disciple there he was in even in a disciples robe he was not in all the armature and the the color and with the sword and everything you know he had totally outgrown that so that's part of your time there with alan and also the time with sarah is that you are actually praying and praying and opening up to be shown you are are walking through this and it is a letting go it's like you're taking some layers off you're peeling away layers in your mind um of of false beliefs and false concepts and then every time you join in with us at the movie you know there's another rinse you know it's we we could come up with a movie one week called rinsing ester we watch your face every week you're such a a willing participant to this rinse you're uh you're showing us all it can be done with willingness did you have something else i saw you put your hand up maybe we can get you unmuted there one of the things that came up for me today when i was this whole thing with her and stuff so beautiful was i was starting to feel that i was losing my identity and i was scared but then of course i would talk to alan if i were to talk to him he would say well you know who is that that's what came up that that i'm losing my identity mom's happy i'm happy and that's but i go away from there and i i wasn't happy so i think it's what you're saying is it must have been the expectations yeah yeah you have had so much support you have so much support you're practicing the course you're you have alan right there with you and these movies are helping witness and and i know when you've written me emails you've talked about ramana maharshi's teachings and and brian actually mentioned that when we watched um awake the life of yoga nanda he mentioned that at the end where he said actually there was a time when yoga nanda went back to india and went and sat with ramana and and he's yoga nanda still had some things that were stirring in his soul and and brian who followed ramana maharshi and yoga nanda said finally ramana says to yoga nanda who suffers i remember that and so that's no different than you got alan you don't have ramana but they're telling you but now it's playing out as alan with with ester who's who suffers who's the one who's the one that's upset at mom right now you see so it's it's all there it's all the ingredients all the help you can need is given and you're just really like i was saying like with clavius you're in a listen follow um situation where you're just being guided day by day step by step toward the kingdom of heaven within and you're following that that glorious guidance and even if you seem to forget or you seem to blank out for a bit about the purpose then it comes back this the the reminders are there you you read something in the course or you remember something that ramana thought or you you have alan telling you or i'm telling you or somebody you know the witnesses are there you know you your your way is set and now it's just a matter of of being very willing to to listen and follow and and walk through this i mean you have shared how how intense that was when your father died it was so intense that you couldn't really even hold the thought of him dying in your mind it was so too intense and now here you are getting an opportunity with sarah to walk through that you know it's like jesus is right there he's got your hand and he says yeah we can we can look at these things together you know i've got you and you're holding my hand and and we're walking through this and this time you won't be paralyzed with fear this time you'll remember who's got your hand and who walks with you and i love that workbook lesson where jesus says who walks with me this question can be asked a thousand times a day he says in the workbook and see how friendly and happy he is who walks with me this question can be asked a thousand times a day or if you knew who walks beside you on the way that you have chosen fear would be impossible and again that's all we have to do is come back to the moment and remember who walks with us just one thought takes us back into the peace just one thought we're only one prayer away from peace of mind and that's one version of it who who walks with me and bill setford you know used the prayer here i am lord you know which is more it's not a question it's more of a declaration oh yeah here i am lord not interested in the distractions here i am lord yeah so thank you ester thank you for your transparency yeah thanks mr next we have uh diana at uh kamiske living come meet that i'm david just like i'm gonna put uh opinion you know they're all tech savvy they know how to pin pin me on the screen there you are no teachers here okay um david i'm so this was amazing oh my god this was um this movie was amazing and i've shared before that i just never i never watched movies so all these all these shows like this is the first time i've seen these and the thing that stood out the most to me in this movie was um when claudius was guiding the disciples down into the canyon away from the roman soldiers and he was telling them get low get low and then all of a sudden his the assistant that he used to have when he was a when he was a roman soldier and now he's like with the disciples i can't remember his name but the assistant came up to him and he had the knife at him and it was like all of a sudden it was it went it went quantum the experience was just quantum it was there was no time the the dialogue between the two was i wrote it down some of it i wrote down no one dies today like it was language from the heart it wasn't the words but it was how the message was being spoken you it was almost like you could hear the message in the wind kind of thing the quantum the quantum-ness that you feel in the wind that was the eeriness of of that experience like there was just yeah it was just timeless no one dies today no one go on until no one it was almost like he did a reverse ego uh hypnotic on him you know like the like the ego possessive but it was reverse it was spirit hypnotic no one dies today and and the assistant's like that's right no one and you're going to go and tell no one and it went just like that it was like oh my god that was so beautiful and if i was if i was the assistant and looked into your eyes as you're saying that i that's i would melt too just like that right that's right that's how it's going to happen that's it i love you david so i love you too that's the power of god you know just going into that state of mind we're totally cared for and they're obvious was showing us all you know how it's done i love that you're seeing these movies for the first time because that that's the most precious thing you know it's like they're just quantum quantum experiences when you just get these flashes and these insights and these lessons that you know through time without your willingness and without your prayer it just seems to take so long and then when you're ready for it it just they come fleshing through the mind healing fleshes across the mind it is very quantum that's beautiful thank you okay next we can go to susan janison i'll meet the stuff there there we go oh i don't want to see me you yes there hi hi there hi susan hi wow what a great movie um um yeah i don't even know what to say except i'm hearing an echo oh i know why because i have my phone on too i've got this sound syncing going on don't ask but um i just saw this film in 2016 with my second partner and um he was a mexican indian who looked very much like yogananda very much but we knew we were separating at the time so um it was a very emotional film when i saw then and it was again tonight especially the the scene that was the big wow scene um where clavius meets jesus and boy the really are no words but the unconditional love that seeming transmissions of god that happened to clavius was like you know and and sitting here again i remember crying then and crying tonight and just feeling wow isn't this our purpose you know just to be with christ with to be with jesus like like you always say and and to meet our brother that way no matter who it is but to go with that love you know and it's not us it's just holy spirit and jesus holding our hands and being present with people and i was just blown away by that tonight you know um yeah it reminds me of how i know how i wish i had been christian and with my first husband whose mother was very very devout catholic and patrick was the oldest of seven and whenever we would visit them in canada all the siblings would run when irine showed up because all she wanted to talk about was jesus and i said oh i'll go and i would just sit with her and we would talk for hours and everybody was relieved but i i always walked away like oh you know just to be with jesus this way so i'm so grateful and i i see ester i have to say that my mother lil's sister was ester so the very first retreat i ever did and i saw ester connected so hi so anyway i i also i love you i love you all and uh yeah it's so powerful yeah just so beautiful and became so real and truly practical because you just want to love yeah i just want to look at all of you and just you know love you and i know that's who we are we're all brothers sisters of christ together so thank you thank you and yeah what a beautiful gentle mexican you know that that jesus is so beautiful so i agree with that so thank you yeah thank you for recounting that that you call it the wow moment um because when glavius came in you know um there there was a lightness there they were so happy to see jesus and and you could feel a lightness like a lightness and a softness and a playfulness in the room in fact there was one point when uh there was like a gentle laughter in the room and that's because of the miracle they they weren't thinking here we are jesus and the apostles and here comes a a roman soldier through the door they that was not in their mind you could hear the gentle laughter it was soft it was conversational it was uninterrupted and and that reminds me of the onah talking about that scene too uh where she called it the this quantum scene and it was like the speaking the wind was speaking and everything and i have to say that that's when i've got into the course i just got into it following jesus deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and then something happened where suddenly i could see my happiness and my function were one and that that i actually had dislodged my mind from from thinking about people or situations in kind of a linear way you know like a typical linear way i mean i would meet people on the street or meet people in a restaurant or on a plane or a train or out walking or whatever and it would be these huge full orchestrated like revivals in a muffler shop you know i'm just sitting in there waiting to have my core fixed and then and i'm sitting there and i'm looking around and everybody's quiet in the Midas muffler shop and looking and then just in quiet prayer looking and i'm having some eye contact with some of the people in the waiting room of the Midas muffler and then looking and then our eyes are like sparkling and we connect across the room and then and then it's all quiet and then all of a sudden i didn't say anything it just would be like praise god and then all glory to jesus over there and then the guy with the Midas hat on praise god you know i would just be like oh this is cool this is so cool and it happened so many times i mean i remember at the peace house one time they were they were having some kind of a party at the main town the main street and this tiny little place called spring grow village at the time and i remember my friend Kathy and i said well let's there's some kind of a festival or something going on they're supposed to bring bring your lawn chairs and bring a cooler or something so i let's go we went there they had shut down the whole main street in this tiny little spring grow village and they were having a birthday party for jesus in the summer and in the rancher book i think it says that he was actually born in a summer month it's just the they put it december 25th but it says here and and there it is seven churches in this tiny tiny little village that i lived in with this peace house seven churches had banded together and they decided to throw a birthday party for jesus in the middle of the summer so we bring our lawn chairs and there's a parade they're marching and they've got a theater they brought in a theater act and they've got a christian choir and we are totally with our little coolers and drinks and our little lawn chairs we're like watch i'm i'm looking at Kathy going this is a birthday party for jesus i said is it this course of miracles what do you think look at this we know now we're watching a birthday party for jesus at this tiny little village it just happens over and over right one time i was in stock home and was walking with my friend helena unison and i was i was so happy i was talking about jesus jesus and she said well we're in stock home now david she said you know it's not exactly the jesus uh capital of the world you know you're not gonna you're not gonna necessarily meet people or people aren't i'm not really going to be talking much about jesus and i said i don't know i'm just feeling it i'm just feeling it and then i turned and looked and here comes a parade down the street and people are all dressed up in the costumes and it's it's a jesus parade i said that's a jesus parade she she i mean these are just like witnesses you know even when i went to bonus areas one time i was down there and i was flying around and going and then i was driving around with some friends and i said what's that it was a jesus amusement park no kidding the whole amusement park was jesus i've had restaurants that were entirely jesus restaurants i was with lisa one time we were out i think it was um maybe arizona and and we're driving around we pull in there's a restaurant over there let's go over there we part pull in the parking lot we go in open the menu up it's all jesus everything the bible and jesus every single item i'm like look at this it's all jesus and then the waitress comes up and talks about jesus the people are all talking about jesus and i'm like this is surreal and i said what what is going on here lisa was like what's going on what's going on she'd never seen anything like it either she grew up in a quaker near a quaker community in pennsylvania but we'd never seen like this she said oh well you're in the town of snowflake i said it's okay we're in snowflake and we're in a jesus completely jesus restaurant in snowflake and she we said what is snowflake and she said well years ago there were two mormon families the snows and the flakes and we're like oh but here we go we heard the whole story of the snows and the flakes found in the town and now there's the mormons the jesus restaurant but there's hundreds of these kind of experiences but i do remember the ones i remember the most is like the oni was talking about where i meet a couple a few people at a restaurant we're in a restaurant and all of a sudden we get into this real inspired conversation and it's like the oni said you could it's almost in the wind and i'm lit up and i've lost track of david and the people and where i'm at and i might be might as well be in a boat on the sea of gallilee because i'm fired up and it's just pouring through and it's coming through with with stories and parables and i'm all lit up and i'm all lit up and i'm just totally lost track of time and space i'm not thinking i'm in a public restaurant but i'm doing it doing it doing it doing it and then in the middle of the talk i'm talking and i look to the side and the people on the booths are all smiling and they're listening to the parables in a public restaurant and the whole thing and it happened to me a number of times but one time i was i met this person we i did the whole thing in there and then i finally got up to leave and everybody in the restaurant just stopped and watched me leave because they heard all the parables in the public restaurant and they went and i went out into the parking lot to get in my car and i looked and all the faces were still in the window following me in the parking lot like what have we beheld what what what are we be holding here what happened what just happened now but it it's all based on listen and follow like once you start to merge with the purpose then that's it that's all she wrote then you you just can just go through life just with a sequence of of holy encounters and that's the only purpose that they have it's to inspire to bless there's no other purpose not to analyze not to fix not to give advice not to cross talk not to all the typical things there's no competition there's no there's nothing it's just that and eventually you do find that that's where that's the happiness and joy and then you could fully appreciate this movie that was intense when you first saw it with your your mexican indian partner to break even during a breakup watching that movie it has to be intensely beautiful and then now you've got to see the wow scene again you can't beat that that's miracles that's miracle mindedness at its best thank you thank you okay so we've got uh robert at monastery come you down hello david hi robert from the monastery say hi wow uh wow wonderful movie um you you mentioned that this has become the favorite Jesus movie of the uh the ministry i guess and it's it's mine too it's uh i like the way that they depict Jesus in this movie uh first of all uh chris felt inspired to share two words uh jesus joy jesus joy and uh i'm feeling that too i have two questions uh this is such a powerful movie for uh demonstrating there's this uh in the principles of miracles the 10th principle is that miracles should not be used as spectacles to induce uh belief it's a misunderstanding of their purpose and you know these types of miracles would really induce belief in me and the holy it's been said that the holy spirit has a convincing job and we should always be vigilant for miracles and holy spirit uses miracles to convince us and i was just kind of wondering how all this flows together maybe you could speak on that and the the second question i have is i came in here super motivated to see this movie i've been wanting to see it for a long time now and i really enjoyed it and everything but for some reason i kept nodding off at certain times and the only thing i can think of i wasn't tired when i came in here i'm not tired now and the only thing i can think of is that it's resistance coming up at me like somehow the eagles slip in one pass slip in one pass me and i was wondering if you have any tips just how to i mean i guess a disciplined mind can achieve anything but maybe some tips how to put the ego in this place so that it doesn't keep doing this stuff to me and uh that's all thank you thank you robert well the first question about um miracles should not be used as spectacles to induce belief it it really relates to the idea that miracles come from god and come into the mind and extend through consciousness and then radiate out and into a holistic perception of the world and and so from the ego perspective if people even watch this movie or they actually try to conceptualize it it seemed like jesus healed people it seemed like in this movie he went over and and he touched and embraced the leper and the leper said you're touching me like no one touches me that was the first thing so uh he went there and he seemed to to embrace him and to touch him and and then uh he the man rose up and then he he walked off and then we saw as he walked off at some distance he looked back and and his his face his complexion his arm everything had changed the the symbols of the leprosy were gone and so people watch this and they go wow that that was so impactful and jesus healed healed the leper but actually this is the way that it works when you identify with the christ mind and you're in the i am presence that's very much what i talked about um a lot even uh recently about mary baker eddy uh there's no mind and matter there's no life true substance intelligence and matter it's it's a recognition in the mind of what's real and true it's what jesus calls true empathy so it wasn't like he was healing the people because when jesus went back to nazareth for example in the bible it says jesus went back he visits nazareth and the bible says there were no miracles that's kind of that gets your attention he everywhere he goes there's miracles and he goes back to nazareth and there's no miracles what's going on well this is what's going on when he went back to nazareth there was too much past associations in the mind of those that were perceiving jesus you know they they watched him grow up they saw him entirely as a man and not as the messiah in fact they probably had some snickers uh oh boy look who's in nazareth now it's jesus they say he's the messiah i watched him grow up as a little boy you know i i know jesus he's just he's just a guy and there were no miracles because why because the receptivity for the miracles wasn't there when jesus would seem to heal somebody you would hear things like by your faith you are healed you would say that's the key by your faith he's wherever he goes he's just in the i am presence and in the i am as god created me he's he's so he's the living word of god it's it's a state of mind it's pure blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see god he's in the state of purity and then those that come up to him if they have the faith they are healed uh there's even the woman who comes up behind jesus when he's walking and and touches the hem of his garment remember that parable from the bible the woman comes up touches the hem of his garment from behind him and jesus says who touched me now that's really impersonal who touched me he doesn't turn around call her by name and say whoa lay lay hands on her and everything she's healed the instantly instant she touches him even though he says who touched me why because it's totally impersonal it's just the i am presence and when the mind opens up instantly it receives the healing and that's why he says in the work in the manual for teachers he said even upon the point of death he's talking about like seemingly dying in the body even upon the point of death you could simply rise up and say i have no need for this at all and be healed he's he's clearly pointing is the state of mind so when he says by your faith you're healed or who touched me if you really watch what he's how he's sharing you start to get the sense that he's in a state of of connected mind he's connected with god but the ones that have the symptom removal the ones that that rise up from the dead the ones that that the lepers are healed the the blind that are healed the lame that are healed all those it's coming from a decision and he's telling us that it's a decision in our mind just like he says in lesson 136 sickness is a decision so you it's a decision to shift from the wrong mind to the right mind and that's that's what a miracle is and then what seems to be symptom removal is like a byproduct of that decision if you choose to be healed that's his message if you choose to align with me and be healed you can be if you choose not to be healed he says i will wait for you he's very patient he's just like the i am presence and and it's just it's always there it's always an option so that's why he was saying miracles are not used as spectacles to induce belief and that comes through in the orantia book and it comes through in the bible that he wasn't trying to change the form hoping to get more believers he wasn't you know if if if he was out there trying to do spectacles in terms of things it was already radical enough multiplying the fishes and the and the loaves raising people from the dead is what how it was interpreted healing people casting out demons that was enough and yet he basically was just letting this the will of god the spirit come through him in that quantum way that diona talked about in every situation even that mary magdalene movie we just watched remember she just had a conversation with him about saying the women are too afraid they're afraid to get baptized they're too afraid to speak up because what it may bring on them you know from their husbands and their brothers and the men you know they're not even supposed to pray except in a synagogue they can't even pray in their house because of the the conditioning that's going on soon as she talks to jesus about it and says the women are too afraid well they walk on to the next town and the women are are washing clothes it's mostly women washing clothes there and the apostles you know they're just kind of saying peter and and judas and well we're not even going to stop here like this is not a good stop because it's not a good place to teach it's just a bunch of women that are washing clothes this is not if you're doing a public speaking tour this is not this is like a a one on the scale of one to ten and what does jesus do he takes a beeline right into the little village and then he stands there and doesn't even speak and he just keeps looking over at mary magdalene and then finally another apostle says you better get over there he's he's looking at you he's the holy spirit's using the whole situation as a teaching device to show that women are are completely accepted into the kingdom of heaven as much as men that it's not a male female thing it's nothing to do with gender and if you some of you remember what he spoke uh on that i think one of his first questions was who should we follow our husbands or god and he doesn't even blink god he just fire do you talk about uh flowing past cultural conditioning he does it on the first question and and you see this is exactly he wasn't doing that it's a spectacle to induce belief but he was not believing in order of difficulty in miracles he wasn't he wasn't thinking that there was anything restrictive about that it's the presence of god's love actually uses things and i've enjoyed that over the years where i'm just kind of in an involuntary state of mind and and the way people are brought together you might have seen the francis's movie where take me home where jen replaces francis francis romero in the kitchen and it's a big deal and then at some point i'm sitting there and we're watching a movie about undoing roles in in this little house and i'm sitting there on the couches with these two and jen and francis romero had been kind of a very tense situation like between the two one uh jen who you know she doesn't know how to cook or put together a menu she can't do toast and then francis romero has had her own kitchen her own restaurant and francis romero has been replaced by the one who can't do toast and there's a lot of tension and friction but one day i just said well i'll show a movie it was that movie with catherine zeta jones no reservations i'm going to show a food movie of undoing beliefs and roles because there's a big tension in that movie and so i showed the movie and i would pause it and and we all were sitting around jen francis romero and myself sitting on couches watching and i did a movie gathering to help loosen the tensions so that was no spectacle that was just a good old-fashioned movie gathering to relieve tension and start to come back and start to feel the connection again and they did you saw it in the movie they actually came to a point where they hugged each other and there was genuine you know connection sisterly love that came through so the main thing is you don't try to do spectacles to try to induce belief even though i've had people tell me in dreams that a friend of mine theresa who was in the movie that the orange on she told me when i visited her in portugal she said oh david i see you in a big it we're in i'm we're in a big stadium and you're talking and there's all these miracles and i'm thinking well it sounds more like billy graham than than me but but jesus you know he wasn't even the most talkative one peter was more talkative than jesus he did more speaking and preaching than jesus jesus was more like the jesus in this movie he was just happy go lucky friendly welcoming and he did a few teachings here and there but but actually peter did most of the oratory work for the apostles because jesus was not interested in changing the world you know he says seek not to change the world seek rather to change your mind he was more like showing up in friendliness and happiness and kindness and demonstrating with his attitude the kingdom of heaven with some words occasionally to go with it now the second question you had was about your resistance fatigue and resistance and i remember when i was going through some of that in the early times when i was working with the course when my eyes would get heavy i do remember just kind of stopping and praying and i will never forget the time when i just stopped everything i just prayed prayed for a while and then i opened the book like an oracle and when i opened the book my eyes dropped down on the line it said when you find resistance high and dedication weak you are not ready do not fight yourself i went thank you jesus close the book and i think i went off and had a had a walk or did something fun uh that's what jesus wants us to do always keep in mind relax enjoy yourself have some fun and when you find yourself resisting there's that there's a push going on in the mind like the ego is is trying to make a point or trying to force something and you know we know even working with children you can't force children to learn things you have to you have to really connect with them and they have to feel relaxed and they have to feel like an invitation in their heart before they can take something in to really practice it and live it um and so we have to be that kind and gentle with ourselves and if you if you start to find resistance in everything um like if if i ever started like feeling like really tired and when i was reading the course jesus would say just stop and take a nap i'd be okay or you know or take a walk or go for a swim or you know that's the kind of guidance i got from jesus he wasn't saying now you've only read two paragraphs and your eyelids are already heavy david what kind of dedication and devotion is this no he'd say go take a nap go to have a walk you know it's like for him there's no time pressure to this there's no push there's nothing pushing it's the ego that's will even try to turn a course of miracles into a big obstacle course you know push push push push so i do remember a song that uh my friends amon and shanti uh they kind of went their own separate way but i went up and met shanti when i was up on mercer island off the coast of uh washington state and she um she did a played an instrument like a harpsichord and she played a little concert for me just a one one-to-one concert she sang all these songs and then she i did remember shortly after that her ex-partner oman ken um wrote a song for her called be gentle with yourself and so here was she was remarried to marshal and and they remained really close friends her and her so-called ex and then he sent her as a gift be gentle with yourself one of the most beautiful songs i've ever heard and i kept playing that over and over because for me that was for my mind you know it was jesus kind of telling me be gentle so i would say just just remember that that song just to be real gentle with yourself and i just know your heart you're just you know you're just so much showing up uh to live this as best you can but but the ego always tries to to do some kind of a push and that's where the the resistance seems to rise up thank you thank you robert that's a beautiful heart very symmetrical yeah well we have a few hands up do you want to keep on going yeah yeah we've got if we've got hands up let's go okay yeah we've got to be in kayla you can unmute yourself hi kayla i think i'm unmuted now yes we hear you okay um this is my first time talking at one of these things i'm surprisingly not quite as nervous as i thought i would be i think i think being in line kind of helped a little bit um first of all i just want to say it has been such an incredible journey since um i found living miracles in in july of this year um i just feel like somehow i i've rediscovered my path and um i just want to thank all of you and all of the people that show up but various things online and especially you david for sharing your love um it's it's really incredibly beautiful um my you've answered pretty much my question in a way but i just wanted to also share that um a couple of weeks ago i read lesson 72 probably for the fourth or fifth time but uh it was very much like i hadn't ever read it before and it kind of my ego grabbed me and shook me around for a few days and i think it was because i all of a sudden saw the tremendous egoic hypnotism that we are all facing and um it really it was shocking to me um and the beautiful thing about this movie and mary magdalene is that there's an opposite view that i just love seeing that and i've been watching movies for years um applying course and miracles principles to them often on and i love this that you it was such a validation to me to see that you had a book about um being enlightened by movies which was just fantastic it was amazing so this is my first um movie with you but i've listened to commentaries and and watched um the movies that you have had listed in your book and they've and that you've had commentaries for online um i just i i just feel like the scenes um that you guys have already talked about where mary magdalene was baptized and the two scenes in tonight's movie that we already talked about were just so powerful and impactful and i'm just so grateful to be able to be a part of it thank you thank you we love you thank you we feel your heart so beautiful that you could be with us and and speak share next we can go to uh peter block if you want to unmute yourself there thank you peter hi peter hi david how are you going yeah i you'll have to give me a bit of time today because i didn't even think i was going to share or go on today we maybe just seem to um really add up something in me today and um it's been there for a long time uh i think when i watched the when i did the take me home retreat i don't know probably three months ago roles came up and at the time i was doing a lot of undoing but the biggest role was a parent so i've got um two young girls and that's sort of scared me i think that that role really scared me and i've been meaning to share time after time but i keep putting it back not sharing it and there's been this roadblock i feel for me i've mentioned it a couple of times and i'm sure today that's what that's what it is and during the movie i just kept getting so upset but i could feel that kept coming up during the movie because i'm not sharing it and i think it's a bit of the ego coming in telling me things about giving up that role or leading that role go like i might be asked just to give it up at once and go overseas um i hear that in my head and then i think spirit's really telling me or i'm telling myself that it's just i'm it's okay just let it undo slowly and bit by bit and wait and see it happen i've been praying to spirit to be gentle and let it happen gently but then i hear this other voice saying no it's just going to happen all at once and these kids are going to be left out so yeah i've been as i said i've been meaning to share for a long time and i wasn't going to share a date because i thought i couldn't i thought i'd write to you maybe because i just sort of couldn't share it but i decided to and i've seen people like gene on my last retreat she shared she was so open so honest and asked as always open and honest and i really wanted to do it so yeah i just thought i'd ask you because it's i've been putting it off for so long and it's just something i really struggle with i don't i feel like i'm done so much but excuse the shit out of me yeah yeah the spirit is yeah thank you for sharing that because that's that's the first step when we have something that we that we feel we have to hold on to or hide in some way then it just seems to like you said it's very difficult you've had a few several very difficult weeks and months because something for some reason it's like a censored or kept from being shared and then as soon as you share it the ease starts to come in immediately because your willingness to share it with all of us is also your willingness to just share it with the Holy Spirit and and offer it up and say here you know the way and the Holy Spirit knows that that the mind is is terrified of sacrifice absolutely terrified of sacrifice and and that's why the Holy Spirit is so gentle and that everyone is given like an individualized version of the curriculum where it's it's brought in as just how it can be brought in because the Spirit knows it's there's such a fear of a sacrifice of loss of losing something and so i know for myself over the years even back in the 1990s i remember i had a student who who had the same thing that was coming up and she was feeling this just terror around losing her children and i said well you know this is where you you can't figure it out and you can't um you don't set the the way the plan will go you know you come back to that faith and trust that everything is gently planned by one who knows your good and that the Holy Spirit would never take away something that still seems to hold a very strong value in the mind in fact there's one part in the course that Jesus is something to the effect of the Holy Spirit will never take away um something that you are still uh holding on to um and what it means is that it's like a like a melting and an integrating process with my friend who my student she kept saying oh my gosh i i really feel i do just need to take a little road trip with you and go out and just go to some of these places that you're going to and just open up and shine my light but i'm i'm just terrified of of leaving my children even for a little road trip like a little teeny one she said there's a there's a fear there i'm afraid of uh what could happen and i said well just pray on it and and then just we'll see how it goes and then she prayed on it and then i was i mean it's going about two or three stops in the same state that's where she lived so it was you know very local and she said to me one point okay i i really feel it i prayed and i'm supposed to go with you so we went we had like three stops and every single stop that we stayed in there were children and every single stop we stayed in the children would run up to her and and hug her knees and kiss her like she was their mother and it was powerful for her because that the first time it happened she kind of looked over at me like are you seeing this like you believe this and then we went on to the next one and it happened again and we went in the next one and it happened again and i said this is how gentle the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit is gently bringing you symbols that you can relate to and that warm your heart to teach you that there's no sacrifice and this happened also i remember one time when i was up in i think i was in wisconsin with kirsten and she woke up in the morning and she just said to me i don't know i've got fear in my mind today i i'm just in a really really fearful or kind of a funky state of mind and i don't know i can't i've been praying and i can't can't get out of it so i just prayed and i said well let's let's go to this cute little town here in uh wisconsin let's go there and we went there and as soon as we were walking in the town i saw a dairy queen and jesus is like take her to the dairy queen it's a it's like a ice cream soft ice cream place and so i said oh come on kirsten let's go let's go get some ice cream so we walk into the dairy queen and nobody's in there it's but it's open and there's just a guy with a little red dairy queen dq hat on and a little red shirt and he looks like it's it's he loves working the dairy queen he sees us come in and he's all sparkly and waiting for us to come to the counter and so we walk up to the counter and she's in kirsten's is a real funky kind of a fearful mood so i walk up to him and i'm real lighthearted and happy and i just said to the guy i said i said kirsten's from new zealand and you know she's never been in the dairy queen before well his chest just popped out he was now he was prouder than ever his little dq hat so i said so give her the give her the whole show tell her what you got you show this kiwi what we've got up here in wisconsin from dairy queen and he's like i will so he spent the next 10 minutes we got the blizzards and this and a cone and we could jimmies and i mean we could put cookies and no do the you know Reese's PCs you know i mean he went on for 10 minutes and she just was smiling at the end of the 10 minutes and then finally she's like that's a lot uh what would you recommend he said well actually i think the best is that and then she said okay well give me that then and she got it and oh she said oh she just got the biggest smile on her face now that's how jesus handles fear dairy queen ice cream and it happened over and over with different ones i would travel with i remember one time i was traveling with rml in california we were going all these stops and the first place we stayed at we were hosted at a home and they made us a big beautiful salmon dinner and then we went to another stop hundreds of miles away we did another gathering and they brought and again the host big salmon dinner we go to another place another big beautiful salmon dinner we go another place and then when they came out with the salmon i just looked at rml and she just got a little smile on her face and she said i like salmon i said i see this and and so jesus is so playful there was a time when i was traveling in australia up and down the coast of australia doing gatherings and this woman helen i was traveling with me and she would notice that everywhere we would go whether it was a house a church a synagogue or whatever that i was always completely perfectly color coordinated with this with the backdrop of the place where i was speaking and she noticed this every single time she would say she would show up i was color coordinated and she was not and that started to bother her after we went to three four five stops along the coast of east coast of australia until finally she thought wisely i'm just going to get up and i'm going to not dress until david dresses and then when david dresses i will know how i can be color coordinated i will i will follow how the holy spirit dresses david and then i will be and then she did it and she was so happy she would she would show up and she'd go look and i'd say yeah that really does you are really color coordinated see to me was i was unaware i i'm not thinking what i should how i should dress myself but that just comes more in the involuntary nature where jesus just has so much fun he'll use ice cream he'll use salmon he'll use clothes and and in like the student of mine he brought all he brought in the children the real huggy squeezy kissy children came in because he knew that she was afraid and she had a fear of that and so he had to start to teach her very gently that the that the symbols will not be ripped away from you the holy spirit never rips away the symbols it's just that things have to be slowly slowly reinterpreted where you can she felt happy she felt and i've had also other ones that travel with me that that really loved miss their dog and then we'd have like seven different dogs coming coming at us at seven different houses and i'd finally see the smile on their face like oh holy spirit knows i was missing my dog and then he sent in seven dogs that's exactly how the holy spirit works so there really is no sacrifice in this it's it's just the ego is trying to you know scare the mind that's that's what happens yeah i think it's what made it hard for me is i separated about three years ago and then about 80 months ago my ex was being very abusive and they're part of two my kids and i had to go through a stage where i had to take those girls away and give them back and we got very messy and very horrible so that went through a very very hard time in their life and it just seemed scary at the moment um thinking about i think it's more of the ego they're kicking in saying that's all going to be they're going to be thrown to the wolves and you're gonna be asked to do that but i just had to express that i feel i don't believe that will happen but it's been getting away at me that i just thought that it might happen um and the other situation is just with the role of being a parent too i'm trying to undo that as well looking after the children which i sort of don't want to be in but it looks like a catch 20 or two like you're in a sort of don't want to be in it because it takes up so much time as well so yeah that's just what i'm working through at the moment so i just sort of already express it but yeah that's all i needed to do yeah yeah that's beautiful peter i'm glad that you're sharing it because that's that's kind of launches the healing process because the ego always wants to use time to its advantage you remember it invented linear time so it's always trying to use something from the past to project out a fearful outcome or consequence in the future in this case with your children and it's trying to scare the mind uh it reminds me of this um star trek episode called the thaw which i think probably i have an mwge but uh where they go to this planet where the people have put themselves to sleep in a computer generated world to because it's a global it's a it's a disaster a planetary disaster and then when they go in to try to find out what's going on they find out that they're the people are in there and they're they're very fearful and every time one of them tries to escape or even thinks of escaping this ego generated world then they cut the ego cuts their head off he put he has a guillotine and just uh slices their head off if they think about escaping the world so i've done it's only like a 50 minute show but i've done a whole commentary there so in your case the ego is just projecting out a fearful scenario and because it knows it will get you it'll bother you with that you know it'll say yeah you know you you just let them go and abuse you know you're you could just do the same thing that you've seen them go through and and then then how will you feel you see how it it does that and i find that happens too when people start to get even just a little body symptoms seemingly the ego will have them with one foot in the grave they they have a few coughs cough cough and now they're thinking i've got covid and i've only got two weeks to live and this i mean i do talk to people they they really get shaken up with the slightest uh symptom and the ego runs it out in their mind to the worst-case scenario which is them dying uh and and so i always say yeah this is the oldest trick in the book the ego playing with the time game to try to to throw as many fearful scenarios in there as possible so it's good that you're speaking it up because then we can join on this and you can start to feel oh okay this is just this is not a realistic fear this is just the ego trying to play its uh its fear game thank you peter next we have uh hazel there hazel you can unmute yourself oh hello david hello everybody hi hi so i you know clearly we're we are all one mind because you know i can relate to everything that most things that are being shared and and the movie that was shown was um was wonderful thank you for that and um i've been um kind of reluctant to to express but um i i just really want to join the party and um and um your um you know your gatherings are just wonderful and um i just resonate with them so so so deeply so i just really want to thank you for for um you know being the guide david in in the um the channel for all of this uh to come through and for having been the uh the um you know the the the one that's open to leading this this journey and um it i also just um want to share like i i've i've jumped on the jesus bandwagon and um like i'll i mean it's he's he's just a part of who we all are and all of humanity and there was a time in my life where i was a non-believer and um just really doubting and questioning and and um eventually you know of course miracles came along and i was like yeah okay there's definitely something to this it's a very strong um draw here and um and i've had it in my possession for ever since it was published essentially and i just kind of kept dabbling with it and it was just a very powerful kind of i shelved it and went into it and dabbled from here here and there but when i retired last year um last july that's when i i did the first online retreat and i've just kind of pretty much done everyone since then and then in in the at the december retreat it was very clear i i heard a message it was clearly from jesus to go to mexico and i just kind of went yeah no that's not going to happen and and by the end of december i you know or the end of january i you know i i was on my way down there and and those those two afternoons that i spent with you and suave and um you know some of the others in the community were where the most fun i had had in a long time and you know i still relish those those experiences and um and uh it's so grateful that that you know that you actually took the time to join with with me i'm just very very grateful for that and and um you know it was scary for me too to reach out to you and to try and contact you and i thought i would be rejected and it just wouldn't have never come about but since since i've come back um for that from that month uh in mexico we we put our house on the market we sold it during march um april may and june we were just purging and sorting and packing and storing uh july and august you know just frantically house hunting and you know downsizing substantially and and um for most of um uh september you know we've we've we've still been kind of moving we've been moving into much smaller home and um like we're still moving we're still transitioning but the um the tinnitus tinnitus balding's 40 days and 40 nights with jesus were were 30 days into that now and um um and i you know i acknowledge that your the next retreat online retreat that you are offering is is on jesus so jesus is just like first and foremost like at the at the top of of you know of what's happening and um you know i've i've recently purchased some of her books this one here uh jesus my autobiography is just sort of um so deeply um powerful you know it's his direct channeling through her and um and so i'm just i just really want to share in the in the celebration of of jesus and you know i'm grateful for this online community this sort of virtual community to to um to share that with because um i'm starting to be more outspoken with it with my daughter and with with my partner john and but you know i've mentioned it to some people and they've just kind of you know thought i was the work of the devil and but others have come around and really embraced this whole 40 days and 40 nights with with jesus and and i'm i'm i'm so i'm so so pleased that you know that it's not me that's doing it it's just what is being rinsed away and so there's a constant you know a deep deep profound ongoing rinsing away it's and like with what ester sharing and with what everybody is sharing you know i just acknowledge how attuned we all are with um um the support that we're receiving through uh from from jesus through you and tina and other um channels that are are here to to guide us and um so um i would just i would like to be uh of service i would like to be uh helpful up here from you know canada my my my my my time sort of is opening up now where where i'm just just really wanting to participate with um the the living community or miracles community and uh you know if there's anything that i can do to to help from this end or uh you know please i would i would be willing to to to meet and join and go deeper so just want to put that out um beautiful with with you know gratitude and fear there is fear but um i'm willing just to keep pushing through that beautiful thank you hazel thank you for for that because that's when we were talking about the movies tonight it was like well we're we're just on a jesus role here and and so it was our obvious choice for tonight and then we've got that retreat coming up also it's like everything seems to be made very obvious like like the last retreat i talked to how miracles are involuntary so i have the same to a few people today it's kind of a we have a kind of a portuguese flavor uh polinha has just come here from uh brazil and i was on a call with uh three three brazilians two from sub sub polo they just moved away from that out to a mountain uh outside of sub polo uh and i'm good we're talking about doing a retreat uh the the 28th and 29th of november so it's almost like the spirit just brings us together even in online calls uh just for oh this is this will be great oh yeah it's john monday we'll get him in there and and carolina carada and and you know we just have discussions and these uh online collaborations happen and uh so we're just enjoying even with the the jesus uh retreat coming up um we just just put out the the flyers and everything we had fun with that last weekend coming up with with the title and a poem uh from our friend subin in germany and and so it is a kind of a collaborative vibe miracles are collaborative and then we're just having that it's a jesus party it's an ongoing jesus party so it's great and i have heard a couple people have been doing the 40 day 49th and they've been sharing with me and and very much enjoying it and uh this this whole event coming tonight you know was based on our poll and then you know just coming up praying and get the getting the movie that really suited the the poll so thank you for being with us and and thank you for your willingness and we'll we'll keep you in mind if there's any way that comes to mind we're inspired by we'll we'll be in contact with you and and in terms of you going through the the big shifts this summer now and into the fall with a new house or with packing moving traveling you've been doing a lot of that and now downsizing a major uh downsizing maybe you could watch if you haven't seen it already the matt daemon movie is in downsize downsizing or downsize if you that was funny you know him and his his partner are going to uh retire and shrink their bodies and all their possessions and everything down into a tiny tiny downsize and then she gets cold feet and so she's full size and and he goes through the whole procedure and he's downsize matt daemon and then oh boy does that bring up all of his emotions when he's this teeny teeny little in this teeny little house and so but sometimes that's way jesus is is very playful see a funny movie uh that seems to have some of the same themes but you know it's just it's we keep things light so i feel it i feel you're enjoying it and i did enjoy your visit down here i coming to the mall with me and with saba and all the and moving around meeting all the people that was fun those were the days my friends pre pandemic days my friend i've been in the same house now for eight eight months and the day you know it yeah it is what it is i guess but uh i i get out they do let me out of the house ken keeps the car in shape and then i get to take a three minute ride and you know it's kind of like a the truman show or something but it's surreal but it's it's a lot of fun i mean i've traveled for so many years and now i'm a homebody but homebody for jesus so so we just flow with it you know we just flow with it but thank you okay well we have our last hand up from uh staven so you can unmute yourself then hey thank you um i'll be really quick here david this is really fun i've got these two um cd cases that i keep in in my office i just love that having them out because they're just in my mind these this is the power couple right here we got to get clavius and mary together uh like mary and clavius sitting in a tree k i s s i and g and just boy these things just are in so impactful and so fun to watch i think i want to see the sequel where we have clavius walking in the desert and then mary's giving the message and then they meet and then where they meet is in my mind so thank you these are just tremendous but it's a lot of fun but i just watch them over and over and just more stuff comes through and i thought yeah these are sitting out i'm gonna watch these and just have them there in my mind but what a couple things that caught me you talked earlier a lot of people talked about the wow moment you know that that beautiful moment but and one of the scenes for me is when he the close-up of dropping of the sword and boy that's just a relinquishment of the attack thought i love that and i had a relationship in my life where the competition became who can drop the sword first and in my mind that was that was the competition of practicing whenever that challenge comes up or don't want to be right or that attack thoughts who can drop the sword first and then put a shift that that happens what i loved about that scene was it was booking it led right into the scene where he was talked about earlier where he he's leading him he's following him and he says no no one no no one's going to die today there'll be no one died today and that was his day without death and he had talked about that earlier with punch's pilot and in the in the tub he longed for a day without death and then again at the end when he's talking with jesus and jesus said certainty piece a day without death perhaps and how that was so like yes we want that day without death that that that decision for the atonement and and that's that's the key and how that all was pulled together and then during that last scene somebody's out there preaching about the path of the sword or the path of love and i just liked how that all came together and just what a visual that is for me of that that close-up of the really letting the sword drop the in my in my defenselessness my my state lies and how beautiful that is another scene that really i love is when he's inquiring of the disciples and it's almost like he wants to attend a comedy kind of way will you bring me a blind woman and and so here's merriam and and he and i noticed and i and i focused in on on a previous watching of he's using that plant and i thought okay this is intentional what's going on with this plant and he's using it and it's a rosemary and i thought oh this is great because here's the hour glass and in one scene when merriam is talking about how um he loved her and and he lifted her up if you look closely that it's it's um framed that scene is framed by the hourglass and by the rosemary and i just look at the rose and merriam is the symbol of innocence and that's it and they used it back then i researched it because i was just curious why is that in there why is he using that to clean his hands and it's the only thing they could get rid of the stench of death they could get clean it got rid of that stench of death and there you got the time green green and there's the choice for me there's the choice do you want the innocence do you want the rose do you want merriam the virgin the