All right, welcome. It's Jenkins documentation office hours. It's the 3rd of May. And Kristen, thanks for joining us in the dark hours of your night. So agenda topics to propose. Why are pseudo car had sent me an email proposal of an outline for a possible project to work on Jenkins on Kubernetes basically taking the Google season of docs ideas and starting on them. And so I wanted to spend some time today talking about that, even if pseudo car is not here. Let's talk about it anyway, just to get your insights on where should the kind of this kinds of information be put, etc. Then I put a placeholder in for jcasc for dirage. She called Africa, I think Meg you and I should probably talk through and Kristen we should talk through what that was. Oh, I've got a, and I've got the retrospective scheduled a retrospective poll has been sent. Please respond. So that's for everybody to respond to right. The idea is we would really like a one final we've got some really great retrospective comments already and I'll like, well, we'll talk about that when we get to it. Contributors summit as well new next topic. Any other topics you'd like to be included. I'm good that should keep us busy. Okay. Yeah, I don't have much. So, so Kristen the one that I think is would be most powerful for us to discuss with you here is the Jenkins on Kubernetes topic. So one of the things that Sudakar suggested was, Hey, let's include some additional Kubernetes concepts in the installing Jenkins on Kubernetes. Let's add our intro to the helm charts. And then the big one was used to plug in installation manager. And this is updating plugins with plugin installation manager. And managing plugin updates as code. Right poll requests, etc. That's reasonable to you. I, I, I love plugin installation manager I know we're using it in Jenkins info now. Any reason not to put this into standard documentation. Oh no, especially if it gets more easily using it and kind of make sure that's up to date. People have questions about it so that would be a good decision. Okay so and in terms of looking at where it might go. The placement of things is oftentimes a puzzle for me so we've today we've got installing Jenkins and the Kubernetes page and it's got helm. YAML Jenkins operator. Would we envision it.  Oh sorry sorry like it would this be more general or would it be like very hyper focused to that that's what I'm wondering is should plug in installation manager be outside of installing because it applies both to and to Docker. So maybe it's it's in managing or in system administration. I'm open to. I'm not clear on which of those but it feels like maybe it should be a whole separate dedicated chapter on plugin installation manager. Right which it could be referenced from here. Yeah, but now what about here.  No, no, I was going to change the subject so okay because I was like, yeah because then we could reference to it to it from like each of these different things because each of these different installations of Jenkins probably the only thing that's very specific is going to be like the plug in directory location, and then we can make sure that that's, I mean that's like always the Jenkins home, but maybe some examples or like screenshots of where everything is located can be done specifically but I think it's generic enough that it may be underneath managing Jenkins. Okay, so let's, well and managing Jenkins has things about agents. Yeah, and about scripting and about users so it seems. Now what the sys admin is more about sort of the hardware you're on. Yeah, so, so for me, it feels like managing Jenkins is a good home for it. Okay, good so I'm going to put, I'm going to put a proposal into the notes then with the idea that as a chapter under managing Jenkins. It actually has a section on managing plugins. Managing Jenkins. Oh yes it does right okay so it can. Well so. We need that but then, you know, is the next one and then we can say now there's a cooler way you can do this or. Well, or is it just a part of this or is it just a part of that yeah. Yeah, we get excited by a new feature and want to go out and write a separate book about it but. But the reality is yeah so it's, I think you're right so extend the managing plugins page. Okay, that one that one feels really good, because now conceptually we've got installing a plugin updating a plug in removing a plug in pin plugins and then a new section plugin installation manager. Okay, now in Jenkins, can they manage plugins through cats your jcask also. They cannot. Well, well they joined us perfect timing. Hello dirage, they can manage them through it but what they do is. Well, they can but I guess I would call it an anti pattern it's using jcask to do the in the copy of plugins gives you a very brittle installation you want to have them already inside your Docker image. Before jcask get started. Okay, so I would think it would be nice if that section made a mention it shouldn't I mean the jcask documentation we separate, but just because if you're doing this stuff you're going to hear about that and just the question so you can do and just what you said. And I loved I just I don't have to talk to you about the word brittle. I just got things on it. I'm so happy to hear you use it. Right. Okay, good so then, then, then. We've got installing Jenkins on Kubernetes agreed using plugin installation manager into the plug it managing plugins page. Now then his next proposal was using configuration as code. And now we're back to. I would love to have configuration is code. Where do we put it does it belong in system administration. Because of its, its ability to configure things all the way up. So is it closer to reverse proxy config and monitoring and backup and restore, or is it closer to tool management plugin management and time zones. I think it's very similar for the system administration one, because I think it's very similar. I think it could kind of be very similar to backup of school. On the previous page there was a I saw configuring the system over on the left. Yeah, there's that empty. Ah, lovely. But but this could this could conceivably be a place where we put configuration as code as the first entry on this page. And Kristen your your sense was, because it's it's closer to a backup and restore concept. Yeah, that's kind of where it's like maybe I think it's really close to that. That kind of concept in general unfortunately there's not something there. Well, but to me it's a, it's the entire systems configuration, and it's almost like creating a backup, but in a code way, rather than. Well, and and okay to further support your, your, we've got sections for chef and puppet incomplete but we've got them there. Those are similarly, how you get the system configured. So I think this makes sense to me let's call it for system system admin. Meg are you okay with that. I'm yeah. All of this stuff is circular and it needs just references you know. The beast. Right exactly insert as an as a new. New page new section or no new page in system administration. Okay, all right. Okay, and then then the final topic was the Kubernetes solutions page and the solutions pages are here. And this is a case we don't even have a Kubernetes solution page yet so we've got Java we've got Python but nothing for that. So, this has been one. Absolutely it's, it just goes in there. The content that he was suggesting included helm chart use cases and this one. I was curious. You and I have had discussions in the past about how do we describe all the ways we use agents and this is a sort of a classic example of it okay ephemeral agents in the same cluster. ephemeral agents, borrowing capacity from a different cluster, or static agents outside the cluster as in, let's see, somebody's Raspberry Pi or an Android phone or an iPhone or a Mac. Or free BSD. I mean they're all sorts of use cases where you need static agents outside a cluster are those are any of those things that we'd say oh no we should actually embed those into some other part of the documentation something. Would I ever want static agents inside the cluster. Well, Kristen, can you have static agents inside a cluster I guess you can. I just don't know why you would because the Kubernetes elasticity is the thing. I guess. Okay, what we all know that I know just enough about anything to be real dangerous. But they're oh shoot, what is the name of that feature. There is the feature where you can make your force your whole pipeline to run on the same agent. You mean the reuse reuse node. Sequential stages. Okay. And that would be. I don't completely understand any of it so I'm just looking at dots that look like maybe they connect.  That's a good answer Kristen often. I'm sitting here and like, maybe back into a lot more back into Jenkins because I don't really know. Yeah, and so, so make I guess my question was, okay, we've got, we've got a page page now on managing nodes or managing agents. What we don't have though is any concept of ephemeral agents and static agents that's been presented in the documentation. And that was one that that that lack of that conceptual gap right now seems like a great thing to put inside managing nodes. But then the question is okay. Is that in managing nodes or in managing nodes, and the same for the agents static agents as well for me I think that really belongs in the managing nodes thing. Probably yeah. Also, is there something about shared versus dedicated nodes. And, and that concept is unique to to cloud these solutions. So that's not on the that's that won't be on the Jenkins, the Jenkins site. Oh, okay. Okay. A good question. Thanks for asking. Oh yeah that's yeah that's right without yeah okay. All right, so well so back to where we were then so any any other insights to offer on the Jenkins on Kubernetes outline. For me that's sufficient I think we're ready to talk about Jenkins configuration as code with the Raj. Yeah, I have one quick question I don't know we need to go into it. But something that I see is it might be nice to end that section with a tour of managing Jenkins that just has notes. And these tasks you know do, you know, this is going to be like backup I'm thinking is going to be quite different on Kubernetes. Then it would be on a traditional you know, and we don't we don't necessarily want to rewrite that. But say, you know, or unless it's something that it's just totally different don't ever do this the way it is and if you're in Kubernetes you got to do it completely. So just like as a high level overview like these are the specific gotchas or. Right, sort of the above I, I, I like a little avuncular piece don't rewrite everything assume that I know it or I can click to it, but say it's just like that except for this. Or you can also do this or be sure you use this directory of your own, you know or whatever. Yeah, just because they're all pretty close but there's a couple little gotchas family all over the place.  Good. All right. Okay, that's, yeah. Okay, good. Due to Kubernetes. So dear, thanks for joining us. I want to put the topic on the list of plug in jcask plug in documentation on the theory that you might join us and want to have asked some questions or share with us what you've learned etc. Did you want to take some time today. Hello. Hello. Okay, thank you. So, yes, last time when we discussed so you told me with the help of a demo that how we can extract it, the configuration from the UI so that was very helpful. And so last time I pointed out that we need to have a developer documentation. So that is one thing that we can discuss about right now. Other than that, I don't think there's anything specific because that was the main concern like having a developer documentation for jcask would be a really great thing for new contributors. And so specifically when you're when you're describing developer documentation for jcask this is things like how to make my plug in able to use jcask is that the kind of thing that you're you're envisioning there. Just further on the kinds of things you'd see in developer documentation would it be, I want to add some new feature to jcask or is it rather I want my plug in to support jcask. First of all, how to use jcask with my Jenkins instance. And how do my plug in uses jcask or that would be good thing as well. And then, how can I contribute to jcask. That would be third thing for interested people who want to contribute. And I think these are major things like I can think as of now. Okay, and so that that first one using configuration using configuration as code seems like a good one that we cover it we would like to cover in the Jenkins on Kubernetes work so yeah agreed so see Jenkins on Kubernetes project so that's a good one. That's focused focused on on users so at least is that did I understand your curriculum you said using jcask in my instance that's me as a Jenkins administrator how can I best use configuration as code to help my life be better and easier. Yes, exactly. Okay. And then. And so this is focused on administrators on Jenkins administrators. And then adapting my plug into support jcask that's focused on plug in plug in maintainers. Okay, and then contributing to jcask development focused on jcask maintainers. Good. Okay, and, and now I was, I thought we had at least the contributing to jcask. Yeah, now I haven't done the, the details to prove that it's there but I thought that we had in docs here contributing that would tell people okay this is how you can help with how you can run it configure it in your ID. Okay, so, and then is there more in the docs directory. Oh yes plugins. And this was, and, and again this is there could be all sorts of interesting challenges here. Okay, so they plug into. And I know we don't have anything on using jcask in a Jenkins instance at least not in the Jenkins.io documentation set. Good. All right. I also have a desire for a reference page for especially Jenkins or especially the YAML file that what Jenkins.yaml file.  Oh, no, that would be great. Oh, you were I love that optimism I was thinking you must come more often I like this to against one. Oh yeah sure let's do reference. See, my challenge with that one is what you just described Meg is this page. Well no it's this page I'm going to show you the page that it mirrors. Let's see it is. What you just described is this page. Yeah. And for configuration is called right because isn't each plugin can contribute each plugin can contribute YAML snippets to the configuration. That's right. And therefore, it would mean the same systematic thing of, Oh, here are here are the YAML fragment references for for all the plugins that have support and I think it's doable right Kristen Kristen's proven it when she wrote this tool originally that you certainly can iterate over all the plugins and extract based on their class structure, extract documentation from them. Yeah, because well the problem that I've seen in my limited exposure to tasks and jcasket is that we don't have complete documentation about the configuration either, whatever we have about the configuration isn't the GUI. And it says you know, are you having a nice day today somewhere in the background that is translated to something called Hudson dot curious dot nosy about your status. I don't know what the valid values.  And, and it's just, you know, the first time somebody demonstrated this to me, they went through all the screens on the configuration that I'd seen 100 times and all the time, and then they opened up this file. Now granted a certain amount of it I can figure out but I don't know what is, you know, what are legitimate values, what will the system prevent me from putting in as a bad value, etc. And I think what you're what you're describing is the reality that we we we rely very nicely on view configuration to tell me this the setup of my current configuration to give me a valid configuration so it in fact knows this is how I define a JDK installation and it looks like that and I can copy and paste that right into my configuration file. But for me that's, that's similar to the pipeline syntax snippet generator. Go ahead, Kristen. Yeah, I would agree. I was kind of the most the same. I love this page. Maybe being able to see this. Yeah, maybe it's, yeah, maybe that needs to be documented. I hadn't seen that before. But, but still are are they all. I don't know if all the values in there are just obvious as to what the value should be. Not right. The trick there is, if I want to do something I have to configure Jenkins and then export it so if I say ooh I want, I want to X, I want to change my JDK configuration I are here. Let's, let's do the, the one that is very familiar to me. We're going to change the git configuration. I'm going to click here and I make changes. Okay, I mean it's now going to be get to is the program that, and that will now be saved. The next when I click save here that thing will then appear as a change and I can go grab it out of the out of that save file. But, but you've got a good point that we don't have we don't have a YAML based configuration as code equivalent to the pipeline steps reference. Yeah. And with that in, we can make a task, but you know just make a doc ticket for it. Right. Look at that as well even to know. I think there are still things that you can configure on the UI that is do not that Jcast does not handle right. Correct, like all the plugin. I was just talking about right, just to know that that is a whole situation that you need to do separately new better ways or hopefully coming. And I suspect that users for the plugins that are in the suggested use that users may not always think about those as plugins that are separate from Jenkins itself. Some of those real basic ones. Yeah. Always there. Okay. But I don't know. I'm just, I spent too many years writing Unix for man pages so. But you didn't put a file in the system without a man page that documented every field on it. Right. Exactly. Anything else on on Jake any other Jcast plugin documentation topics. How is it going dear. Is it fun. Is it interesting. Yes, everything is very interesting. All right, then next topic proposal was she code Africa contribute on. So make anything you want to share there I've certainly got a topic or two around retrospective. I'd like to hear that yeah I was I think it was a great project I hope we do it again. I'm going to drag in the notes because we've got some notes, actually it may be worth here just getting some gathering some more discussion on because we've got you and me and Kristen here. Yes, maybe let's talk retrospective one more time. Kristen you were you were in the Friday session though weren't you. Yeah, yeah so we've well but here here again here's a chance for us to look one more time so we what we did during the Friday session we asked each of the. Those attending so on yinye Esther and Cynthia each of the three attended and we asked them specific questions. Hey what could we do to reduce technical problems. What could we. What could where their hardware issues that are equipment issues that have caused your problem. What did you learn from other documentation that you would have liked to have known in advance. Next, those kind of things. Do we have this is a nice list do we have like a list of I don't know top the top five things that if we did this again, we would change. No, that's what the retrospective will do right so we've got a proposal to do a retrospective, and, and this was just trying to gather data for it. Okay, started a section here in this document on retrospective. So, here it was okay. Everybody give your comments what went well. And what were the problems you encountered as a contributor as a mentor. And what should we do differently, right what should we improve great. Now I'm, I'm happy to add more text here if, if Meg if you would like to give comments or Kristen, you're welcome to do them here. I can type for you. I think I only put one comment and I think it was a question. Oh good okay so but you have seen this section and right I would I thought I mean you everything else that everybody else had said was good. My frankly I'm not going to put it in writing but I think the first session, the second Monday meeting was worth less thanks to me, but Okay. Oh, do we have on this maybe what we could turn that in that we, we need to do it. We did not just throw them in the middle of the lake and see if they can swim that we ought to start out with have the have them do the classes, a couple of classes or maybe we present. Yeah, and I think that was self paced training course links was here. Yes. Yes. So, so that's a good one. Absolutely. And then for us now. I mean we could have, should we have at the beginning started out and said okay your fruit, we should have sent benchmarks to or milestones that sort of we expect this to have so. So we weren't there in the second week. On India had submitted 20 PRs and a couple of the others were still reading the documentation that they have some way to pace, and that we have a point to know. Okay, you're in trouble here. But then she would say so this week, and then maybe you go through and demo it, the steps that they have to do so they get to watch it record it and they've got that. And I don't think that comment came in. That's a good one to add here. It was sort of talking about in the ad should just, I mean, and there's two ways one of it is that maybe we want to learn to learn that an open source you get some rough instructions and you go out and you figure it out. And, you know, and call for help if you do if it doesn't work. But, but they're young. This is all new. You know, I think most of them were new to dev ops and to Jenkins a bunch of new Java there was so much stuff. It would have helped if they'd seen, you know, this is what you're going to do first and then we would have had, and the big one that we should have hit then is when they got to the point of adding new information is how do you research this. And now tell me more about that one so guidance on how to how to research a, a topic is that what you're saying how to what is what is this argument to this step main. And I think I think some of the best stuff came from Googling and finding stuff on stack overflow. So, should we make sure that the plugin developers themselves, the, for the plugins that we've selected are on board. Yes, they, that would be sort of the number one they should be able to just say, oh, you know what is this supposed to be and what kind of a string or whatever. Yeah, and that comment we had, we had an advance but or we've had that one other time but good to have it. So they can, they can ask they should review the code and see what they can figure out from the code. I get the feeling that people don't very often add comments that are useful right. And as a writer I love admitted or developers who put copious comments in their code but they're few and far between. Look at the code look for comments talk to the pipeline owner or maintainer or the plugin maintainer and Google out there and see what you find in other blogs and stack flow and stuff. And our post to get her, I don't know what priority what we want them all to do but, but I think you know they all hit that wall and it's like, okay, I'm ready to do this. Right. Good. Okay. Kristen you've been set up what do you what do you think was where do we have the more social to work more on building a team out of this group to. We at least had our suggestion from Cynthia to do ice breakers to do introductory segments to get to know each other. Right. I mean, another thing that I wonder is if we should give them. Like the first week is getting set up and getting everything maybe we should have a second week where they work in pairs. I don't know if they would like that. That I mean some some of these plugins like a lot of these are big enough that the two of them could work on it together if they would like, would they like that I don't know. Yeah, I think maybe so so actually this is kind of. So, these were mostly like college students. Okay, because like that could also help target it to, because I think we may have treated them a little bit more like older, like maybe even more of a professional status like more of a student status.  Absolutely. Or like, or like a little bit more of a hand holding onboarding process, because I did, I like me personally being the mentor. I think I, you know, it's hard to remember sometimes how it's like to join open to join communities and speak or talk on channels. It's really intimidating at first. It is. It's very, very intimidating, especially if you are coming in as you know a student you're like, oh my gosh these people have so much so much more experience like what if I come in and say something that, you know, may not be right. I'm embarrassed. It's just, I mean, we don't get you know we're all like yeah like come on in and join and talk, but it just having that reinforcement. I think it's a little bit more personal encouragement might encourage personal encouragement might allow them to speak earlier in the process and I feel like in the second week. I kind of was, you know, hey, no one's really saying anything. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I feel like about the second week that almost everybody was in trouble. Yeah, everybody was scared to say anything right and then in the third week you guys started having man mentoring sessions. And then that was all those then and then things. I wish it had been two months actually. I agree. I agree, Meg, that was a bit of, it felt like we're just starting to get going. And it's just like, oh, so you have those sessions a little bit earlier and also just kind of maybe also that will help with the perspective of not really knowing where they are because it would take a long time to even send me the documents for awesome work that you set up like they were so great. But it would help maybe have them communicate where they are. Kind of as a check in basis, maybe that's something to show them like at the end of your day. Like every day every two days because I don't want to like do a check in the most kind of where are you working on. Do you have any. You know, it's almost like an agile status. Right. I don't know if that wants to encourage like certain people that they think they need to deliver something every day but as more of just a gentle favor in the channel. What are you working on if we notice someone is working on something for a long time like just reach out to them individually and ask if they have a question. Maybe that would help. It is such a short period. And maybe it just needed to happen. Maybe we need to ask for free. Maybe rather than blanket statement. Hey, any reviews. It's just more of a what are you working on right now. Like is everything I can help with. And that would help. Does he have is there any possibility of doing these things for two months. The duration is absolutely a choice that they're making. They chose 30 days for this one intentionally because they wanted to avoid collision with Google Summer of Code. And they were very wise to do that because if they told me we want to do two months. I'd have had to say I'm sorry I cannot give you the month of May, because I will that's I begin we begin the mentoring for Google Summer of Code mid May. Right. So, so they, they intentionally chose the month of April to avoid a collision with Google Summer of Code. Maybe next year, they could start in March. Right, right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so maybe we can. That's a good way to get it in right is like, hey, please. We could have, we could have and should have done some things to get them going a little bit sooner, but you know, I think they were all just getting to the point where they were comfortable enough with what they were doing that they could have had some real fun with the project. It's like a new job there's those first things that you do and everybody else is oh this looks great and you're like I have no idea what I'm doing. And then there's that point where it starts to make sense. Right. And I feel like we cut them off right at that point. And that just the nature the learning curve that maybe two months would be a better. So we really we had that good third week and then the fourth week we're starting to do retrospectives and wind down. So we really ended up with only kind of one week. We might. We did things differently we might have gotten two weeks out of that but that's still not a lot. So, okay, Chris, I wanted to go back to your, I'm kept putting words in your mouth and I apologize for doing that but it's specific activities to encourage questions increase participation and break barriers. What if we asked each participant to show something at every mentoring session, you must show me a screenshot of something or share your screen to show how you're doing this as a way to encourage them to interact with us but even then that may be too difficult, they won't interact and they just show it and say they're done. And we ran into the hardware I did on that. That disaster second meeting. I was, I tried to have a couple of the ones show where they were and they couldn't show they couldn't show their screen their internet kept blowing out. Okay, all right. And then luckily, because I, I had stuff I could have showed what it what I will be talking about any of her what it was, I could have done it but I really wanted one. On yinye jumped in and she did it and did a brilliant job of it. But I had a, I also had a feeling the others rapidly started to get scared of on because they were, I think they had a little bit of a notion that they were competing with each other and you know, Oh, oh no, was such as I mean she was such a rock star out the gate.  But, but yeah, there's back to the, is there anything we can do, you know, well we can't do anything about their internet I'm sure whether we can get the better hardware. Not, not, not effectively right telling telling she code Africa hey in addition to the 500 that you're giving them for this one month of work. You also need to provide them equipment that they, I don't think there's any way it would work. Right there's, there's just not going to be able to do it. They pre qualify them to assure they have adequate equipment.  Yeah. And so make back to the back to the show something if we had. If we had show a screenshot from each participant. That could be done by the mentor without putting a demand on the participants internet bandwidth right if we just go into their participant document say hey. Cynthia here's what we see as your most recent screenshot tell us about that. Right. That's a good idea. Yeah, I was going to say they could post them to slack just before the meeting but that's better. It's in the dock. Just anything to kind of encourage a little bit of, or if you're stuck and can't make progress maybe before the meet you know before the meeting to start asking some questions. Right. Right. And the idea is let's motivate let's encourage that hey we were all going to encounter problems and everybody's we're going to have many of the problems will be different unique to you and we talk. Okay, I will and I wonder if that. Maybe we do it two steps we take Cynthia's idea and icebreaker. I'm Cynthia here's a little bit about me and here's my screenshot and the problems I had. And then we go to the next one hi I'm so and so, and here's my thing. We could do a mix of them where we say, combine one and the other. Maybe that will also help them feel less like they're competing with each other as well. That's a really good point. Right. I really wanted to feel like we wanted them to help each other or like you feel like they could help each other a little bit more, but it's harder when it was, there was not as much chatter. Right. Yeah. Okay. I wonder, actually, they like slack so well. It's hokey and I don't do it but I wonder if we had something like the honey pot in in slack for them to thank each other when they helped each other if that would. Anything. Yeah, that's. And as I'm too old and jaded I don't get excited about it every once in a while I feel guilty and go out and give some people some thanks for it. Yeah, and I'm not sure if the honey pot app is installed on the CDF slack it's a, I don't don't know enough about it to the yes. I think the honey pot like the honey pot honey pot is very like a cloudy thing but I mean there's nothing that says there's not a thanks for some. Oh okay so that is that is not a general that's not a general. Yeah, there's like there was something else that we were using and and there was a problem with there's something so we went out and did our own. But there was a generic one. And it would, but even just, you know, even a separate channel for thanks, you know would just something. Good. Okay, very good idea. Excellent. All right. All of the sums together. I know one of the things I think that we fell down on is we didn't have enough peer to peer activity. Right. Yeah, it was it was mentor to mentoring and back and forth. Well and and that one echoes with on Union and Cynthia both commenting. Hey they wanted to talk with a broader set of people in the Jenkins community now, had we pre registered or pre subscribed plugin maintainers we might have already achieved that one so that that one may be achieved just by. Okay if we're going to if we're going to invite you to work on a plug in we need to be sure that the maintainers agreed to assist us during this one month. Right. Yeah, and I confess the reason I didn't bother to subscribe the plugin maintainers was I falsely assumed that hey this is just documentation they'll of course accept it and immediately merge it. I was just wrong. That that that was not at all. And even if they did that's from the writer standpoint, we didn't have the research support. And that's what we really, because I mean let's face it you and Oleg and actually could look at most these PRs and make a reasonably good guess as to whether or not you're okay to merge. Right. But if they wanted to know what this argument match, and it wasn't written any place you were kind of hope you didn't have that background. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I kind of like that I, the only like positive I guess about how I felt like it was taking a long time is that you know it's maybe just kind of showing that open source does take a little while. But yeah, it's not a great experience for a month long project. Okay, we had thought that they would we were thinking they would post together to with questions. And I think that would just scared them too much. They were a little bit scared asking us questions until almost the end. Well, and I think that's acknowledging that the slack channel did work better. And even there there were some flaws right we had one of the one of the participants that didn't actually get subscribed to the channel until two days before the project ended. Right. And so yeah, oops, that's a that's an easy checklist item to be sure everybody at the start post something to the communication channel to confirm that we know they know how to talk to us. Right. Okay. Any any other insights to share on the retrospective. All right, well, thanks. Excellent feedback. Let's see, let's put a hyperlink to the well, lots of things there that need to be digested summarized, etc. Yeah, are we going to get feedback. Because I have a hunch that they're that there are feelings out there that these people are still aren't telling us that they might tell her about things that they don't go well. And I'm sure that that they I am confident that she code Africa will tell us what the comments were from the participants. Absolutely. There's no question there. I think they're still processing it. And I'm not not confident we'll have it before the retrospective happens. Okay, let me find the link to the poll just actually each of you, Kristen and Meg you should have received the email that invited you to respond to the poll. We did I saw it just a few little while ago. Okay, good. All right. Okay, anything she code Africa contribute on I need a blog post I got to remove it from the jambotron. And I've got the idea to propose a talk for DevOps world. Yes, and you've even got some of our people are going to join you. Right. Awesome. Next topic was contributor summit. So June 25 be sure you're registered for contributor summit. Yes, this is the page you go to yes you kick that click the big red button register here. The proposed coordination Google doc is right here and it's got a segment in it for the documentation track. All right. And so I had put into this. Google season of docs now it'll have to be. Yeah, it's got Jenkins and Kubernetes. We've already talked about that here on boarding improvements and content improvements were topics I had if you've got other topics you'd like. I'll propose them as suggestions this document. Okay. And I think that's, that's about it any other topics we want to discuss before we call it a end of the session. All right, I'll post the, the recording after this, after the processing is sitting is complete. Thanks everybody. Thanks. Take care. Thanks.


Okay, so they didn't support my son, right? Right. Not even the street niggas.  And I feel like it makes you question cause I did everything right.  So if I did everything right in the streets, you know, it's supposed to be a such thing as a full benefits package. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk. Man, Jazzy Mack came on the show and she said that Fort Worth wasn't supporting your son.  For example, Twisted Black out of Fort Worth, you know what I'm saying? Man, I remember that boy. We used to be in Peabody Town together. I ain't gonna ever forget that. He a legend. That nigga was dope. I just picked this son up from a pun shop and he was trying to get a bike.   I like that. Oh no, we gon' get grid. Niggas, no, that's why niggas act like they're with me. They don't wanna pass me and I'm like, cause I'ma say everything they need to say. Did you get him a bike?  I'm finna make these niggas come together with me and get this man in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How is he? He in his early 20s. Oh yeah, oh. Yeah, yeah. Really? You know what I'm saying?   That's what you was depended on. No, that's dope, man. I think you're doin' the right thing and if you need our help on somethin', hit me up. And this was probably. Two years ago when she said that? Almost two years ago.  You know what I'm sayin'? She said that they wasn't supportin'. She's supported them, of course, but. I remember that interview. Yeah, how did, two years ago, when she said that? Cause I ask about y'all, I'm one of them dudes, man. Cause you don't realize it, but me and you used to be a peepin' time together, nigga. I'm a real OG, nigga. I got the gold card still. You can't play me in here. I really am one that can go there with you. I seen you in the military get out. I had mine on, nigga. I had my stuff on. I'm a real stumped-down nigga. Do-right was it today? Yeah, nigga, don't play with me, man. I'm a real one. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? So, what I'm telling you is, when I tell you these stories, I really knew you. I seen you. I was in there. You know what I'm sayin'? Me and another nigga that got killed, that Keith McFadden used to be there, too. And for all of them back in the day, nigga, I'm real. I'm not nobody to play with when it comes down to these streets. I was there, but I'm in Cognigro because I'm not there to be seen. I'm a real street nigga, too. But we ain't tryin' to be seen when we out there. We try, not if you're at a rapper. I'm not a rapper. So, I'm a nigga that's trying to get away from everything that got light. Oh, he's shining light, I move over here. You know what I'm sayin'? I'ma go next door. I think, well, KJ was the nigga, they could throw the percent on the food. You know, I'm a real one.  Listen, man, yeah, he's like, this nigga, no. Oh, man. Yeah, all that. I'm down. Yeah. Yeah, he was there. You can't make that.  Like, I deal with Charlotte Lowe's son here. Just give me a rundown on who you are and kind of how it all began.  No, no, with you just coming up as a kid. Oh, well. We go all the way back. Okay, all the way back. You know, all right, man. Charlotte Lowe's junior, AKA, Harlow Walker, you know, my dad is who he is. Charlotte Lowe, Bankhead, Born Homes, you know. I deal with, Oh, they talked about Pem C son. Yeah, they talked about Pem C son.  Who else son did I deal with? Oh, LaSoldier Slim. How did you feel hearing it on the radio? I mean, I cry, but I don't really, like, I can't really reflect back on the exact emotion of these, the exact emotions that I have. You block it out as much as you could after growing up to payin'? Um, I blocked it out as much as I could, but it really affected me, like, in the most, in the most times, the most crucial times, why I needed a father. It wasn't really mainly about. That's real. It wasn't really mainly about him being Soldier Slim, because actually, I ain't understand that in the beginning anyway. That didn't even matter to me, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm one of them, if I'd have knew your son, your son probably would have been sitting in that seat. I'm one of them type, dude. I would have really appreciated it. I'm one of them dudes, I done did. You gon' watch Boss Talk, you gon' see that. But at the end of the day, like, what was the things that you said to encourage him while you was locked up? Cause you had to have a community blink. My son, that's a good question. I know it is, I'm Boss Talk. That's a good one. And how old was he when you left? He was 13. Man, 13. Yeah, he 39, so. I said that's a good question because I just put that in a song called Without Me. Wow. And okay, so they didn't support my son, right? Right. Not even the street niggas.  And I feel like it makes you question, cause I did everything right.  So if I did everything right in the streets, you know, it's supposed to be a such thing as a full benefits package. That's right. That we get. For the family. That's what you would think. That's an illusion. In some cases, in your case, you're speaking about your case, right? They didn't give, man, my son's super talented. He's out, we working on his album as we speak. That's hard. Guess what? I came home.  Are you kidding me? I mean, he gon' have a laugh, too. Thank you. He's going down. Yeah. I got home and he wanted to play me all this music, right? And I listened to a few songs and it was, I had been hearing it while I was locked up anyway, you know? So, and, but he don't know when that, when he played the music, it's killing me because I'm like, okay, you these tracks. Who did this recording?   Anyway, yeah, they didn't get behind him. So I'm a little, if anything, I'm, you can say what you want to about me. Just don't get in my personal space. Yeah. Okay. If you do that, then whatever I do, according to the law, I can do that. Yeah. Then if you're just more man than me on that day, then so be it. But if you come in my personal space, then you gon' get what you're looking for. Yeah. Dilling with my son. Child, right. That's a little different. You feel me?  But again, I always say, and he, he shaking said sometimes when I say this, but everything happens for a reason. It does. And in its own time. Yeah, it does.  You know what I mean? So God don't make no mistakes. Did your son have any kids? Yeah, he got a son too. How old is he? 10. Wow. Let's go. Stop playing. The generations are there. Grandpa. Everything that you couldn't do when you had the chance to do it, you can put it into that 10 year old and bring it all the way back. So all this stuff is just ways that God done prepared you. I promise. Come on, man. So this whole thing ain't nothing. Hey man, listen, man. Ain't nothing stopping, nothing. Listen, I'ma tell you something. I'm trying not to get too comfortable, but you're making me get comfortable. That's what everybody's saying. That's what everybody's saying. Him, listen, a lot of people, because a lot of people that are around me now, my good friends, Jason, Ty, Nolan, Trevor, Big, they all see it and they're like, damn, black, different.  Because it's a hell of a feeling when you know out of everybody, God saw you and heard you. You know what I mean? Come on now. I was in some dark places. But it's heavy right there. I was down there, man.  We know what we just signed up for. I was in some dark places because everybody can do their time, but it's the losses you take. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. 101.


Okay, so this, like I said, this one's a follow-up to that last question we did. And I noticed I raised the k, kA expression so we could figure it out again. Okay? So the first thing we need to do for this problem, what is the molar concentration of hypochromous acid if the hydromium ion concentration is 4.01 molar and the anion concentration is 0.125 molar. Well, the first thing we need to do is figure out the kA. And remember, the kA is going to be given to you but you also need to figure out the expression for kA. Okay? So we know that the kA from the table is 2.3 times 10 to the negative 9. And the expression for kA, remember, is the products over the reactants. So we're going to have the concentration of VRO minus the concentration of hydromium ion divided by, so that again equals to kA. In order to get the concentration of hypochromous acid, we're just going to manipulate this equation and isolate this variable. Okay? So we'll just take this, multiply it over there and divide it by kA. Okay? So our new expression will be the concentration of HVRO equals divided by. So now all we need to do is plug those numbers in. VRO minus is 0.125. H3 plus is 0.401. And kA is 2.3 negative 9. So that should give us the concentration of HVRO concentrations for this problem. But if we wanted to do this, it would be a huge concentration for the acid. Unfortunately, this problem isn't going to work out very well, but this is what you get for making up the problem right on the spot. So the number I got was 2.1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 7 mole. Yeah, that's an enormous problem.


Over 90% of my clients are now doing an inheritance protection trust because they realize, after I talked to them about that, they realize that when they give assets to their children and their children get married and then the children mix up those assets with that of their spouse and there's a divorce, that's when problems happen and that's what an inheritance protection trust can solve for you and your loved ones. Why do clients even consider doing an inheritance protection trust? Well the problem is California and community property. You give your son, daughter, other loved one an inheritance and if that inheritance gets mixed up, the technical word is commingle, if that gets mixed up with the stuff with their spouse or the marriage, the presumption is it's community property. That means what you gave your loved one can end up going to someone else that you don't even intend it to go to. Like here's an example, let's use that house. What you give your children or other loved ones, they would use that money to buy assets and that asset or those assets would be held in the name of their inheritance protection trust. So if your son or daughter bought this house with money you gave them, it would be titled in the name of their inheritance protection trust. But what about commingling? Let's pretend that your son or daughter bought a house with their spouse. Alright, how would that look? It would be co-owned. Let's say your son or daughter owned 60% of it. That 60% would be held in the name of their inheritance protection trust and the other 40% would be held by the other spouse or by the husband and wife, by the spouses together. In other words, you can even mix assets and still get the protection of an inheritance protection trust. But what I'm talking about doesn't apply just to houses. It applies to bank accounts, investment accounts. All kinds of other assets can be owned by these inheritance protection trust. The important thing is we want to control how our son, daughter or other loved ones enjoy what we've worked so hard for. That's the beauty of an inheritance protection trust.


Check 1, 2, 3. Today is June 10, 2011 at Harvard University Law School after an extraordinary, extraordinary symposium at the Beckman Center. Internet law, society, surveillance, public space, hyper-public configurations were dealt with today with a swift hand by a number of dramatic speakers. It's been a very rich day. We've covered a lot of grounds. We had, you know, speakers from various disciplines introduce their views and perspectives on the topic privacy and the public and how, you know, digital technologies actually blurred the lines between these two poles. For me, the delight is actually to watch people from different disciplines come together and really grapple with really hard sessions. So the nice thing about this community is you bring together the folks who are really thinking about design and architectures, sort of an historical sense, people who are thinking about technology, people who are thinking about law and sort of social sciences. It's amazing how we can see sort of common threads and total disconnect. The difference in perspective between those who are engaged largely in managing and developing information infrastructures versus the perspective of people involved in big curation and construction of actual physical public spaces at the intersection between the two brought a very rich set of perspectives that don't necessarily converge in terms of their core values. It certainly expanded my notion of the alternatives to privacy. And I think that the ways in which we're able to see today different definitions of publicness, the move between physical and virtual spaces was really exciting. Very deep observation on human communication, which is not only always about communicating, but also about creating groups, finding your identity in self-formed groups. And it's also about inviting people in and keeping people out of communications. I found this very interesting.


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And you can also watch any of our programming at youtube.com backslash town meeting TV where you can also watch this program with auto-generated captions. I'm here today in the studio with Alexander Yin and Kamal Dahal, School Board reps. Welcome and thank you for joining us. And they're gonna walk us through the Winooski School District budget, the FY24 budget. And maybe also just because we throw out terms like FY, just say what FY means and when your budget year is, things that we assume folks know.  Thank you. Thank you, Megan, for that introduction. Like Megan said, my name is Kamal Dahal. I am a Winooski School District Board member and I am joined today by my fellow board member, Dr. Alex Yin. And we are here to present the fiscal year 2024 budget for Winooski School District. And first of all, Megan, Alex and I would like to thank CCTV for giving us an opportunity to use this media platform to keep our community informed regarding their upcoming vote. Excellent. So with that, let's go to the next slide, Alex. So on this slide, as you can see, we have our end statement. This end statement developed via community focus group input in 2012. And it has been the vision driving the work of our board since then. For those who are not able to see this or read this, I'm gonna go ahead and read this out loud. It's worth reading it out loud. All the students will graduate from the Winooski School District College and Career Ready at a cost supported by a majority of Winooski community. Winooski School District students will lead healthy, productive and successful lives and engage with their local and global community. So with that, let's go to the third slide, please. So on this slide, we have our district's graduate expectations or GACCs such as communication, critical thinking, well-being, creativity, and so forth. The rubric that are linked on this slide, each of these GACCs details how a student can move up through different levels of proficiency stages. So let's go to the next slide and discuss graduate proficiencies or GPs. So as you can see, on this slide, we have a list of graduate proficiencies areas for each of this proficiency subject listed below, students are assessed using the proficiency rubric from the previous slide as a guide. Let's move on. So on this slide, we have listed our district's strategic priorities for upcoming year. The strategic priorities for our district for the upcoming year is literacy and mathematics curriculum, instructions and assessment, equity and anti-racism, climate, which is the social and environmental, educational environment at a school and whether it creates a positive setting for learning, academic achievements and students' growth, proficiency-based learning, student support or multi-trial systems of support, and of course operations, transportation facilities. So next slide. So this slide is just a snapshot of our district's current enrollment data. As you can see, we have a total enrollment of 796 28% of whom receive special education services, 35% of the students identify as multilingual learners and 61% of Winiski students identify as PIPOC. 56% of the students live in a low-income household. So to educate all 796-in-role students listed in the previous slide and to ensure they're excelling through the proficiency level, we need to have a budget. And that's why we're here today. So for the next year, the district doesn't foresee any increases in staffing or supplies except for the ones listed on this slide here. So those are two federally funded teaching position moved to the local budget, also known as iLab teacher positions, increased operation expenses for maintaining, heating and cooling new facility, curriculum materials, JFK planning time or two general instructional assistance negotiated as a part of current teacher contract, snow plowing services. In fact, it's no plowing services until this year was provided by the city of Winiski and that is no longer gonna be the case. So there's $100,000 allocated for either contracting out those services or purchasing plow and hiring a staff to run that plow. And there is a 1.65 million increase for capital project debt service compared to this year. So let's move on to the next slide. So if you look at the numbers here, our budgets have increased 20% compared to the last year's budget. And if you break it down by function, you can see that the debt service long-term that is plus 115% is the primary driver for that increase. And just to make it clear that the capital debt service is for the next year increase is because we are going to pay the full amount of the bond. The budget increase could increase the estimated property tax by 9.66%. But just to be clear, that doesn't necessarily translate that you are going to pay that much of an increase because your exact property tax increase are determined by your income property values and other factors. Likewise, our estimated education spending per pupil increase is 16.16%. So on this slide, it dives a little bit more into the capital service debt. Again, a primary driver for our budget increase next year. The fiscal year 2024 budget includes the first full payment to the USDA for our capital project loan. That is $3,050,210. In 2019, when the Winiski School District Board presented the capital project bond vote to the Winiski voters, they estimated needing to borrow $57.8 million at an interest rate of 3.63%. The total cost of 30-year loan would have been $91,416,447 with the first year's payment estimated at 3.7 million. In October of 2022, the Winiski School District Board closed on a 55 million loan with the USDA at the historically low interest rate of 2.25%. The total cost of 30-year loan is $74,181,234. So I just want the voter to see the difference between that 91 million and 74. And to be clear, this capital project is for building the new high school. Correct. So I think that's important for folks like capital. What does that mean? Buildings, yeah. And I want to make sure that when we get it right, it's not just building, it was renovating some of the old space. Like for folks who don't remember, we had a boiler that was from 1955. Like it had gone past its life cycle, 20 to 30 years. And what folks might not remember is the fact that if the boiler went down, which could have gone on on that really cold day that we just had, the only way to fix it was to eBay the parts because those companies don't exist. Yeah, yeah. So I appreciate you mentioning capital because we take it for granted that it's just, what does that really mean and stuff? And so the fact that that was built when it was built, it came in at about 16 million under the expectation. Right, over the lifetime of the loan because I think we estimated the interest rate to be a little bit higher at 3.14%. And I appreciate you asking this because it shows that like when we pass the bond vote, and let's be fair, the bond vote only passed by 22 votes. Right? Yep. We took that, yes, we were excited that we got the bond to go help build the school for the residents, for the students that we know that they deserve. But the administration and the school board still work tirelessly to ensure that we could make it at a cost that was affordable to our resident, leading by what Kamal had stated at the very beginning about a cost that is affordable to all residents in our community. And not to spend too much time there. And I'm not from Onitski, but is that the high school campus or is that the... And for those who are not familiar with the Winooski kind of district, the Winooski district, it's a building from all the way from pre-K to 12. This was also an opportunity, like one of the things that we know in our community that was asked for is like, how do we handle pre-K? And we created more space so that most of our working families have an option for pre-K. Now it's been hard to staff because of certain restrictions in the state, but we also created that space so that our community can grow with the building. And there's also a health clinic in that space is that correct? And once again, this is really appreciation to some of our senators who helped kind of got some federal funds to help that because we also understood that as you all know, education is not just, hey, a student sits in the classroom and just gets knowledge. There's a lot of environmental factors and we have a working class community where they can't necessarily take time to go take their child to the doctors. So we have a health clinic, a dentist that's right there so that parents don't have to take off time for work. Students don't have to miss a lot of class time. Students can actually get the health services that they deserve. And once again, this is not Winooski paying for the health service. We created space so that the health services could be closer to the community in need and all that. The payment of the health services is still done by the parents. Great, thanks. So on this slide. To the numbers. Yeah, we get to the number in dollar amount. So the budget in fiscal year 2023 was, as you can see here, 21,287,921. And that has increased to 25,447,670, which is a 20% increase like we've mentioned before. So likewise at spending for equalized pupil has gone up from 19,829 to 23,034, which is a 24.5% increase. And can you help me on this? So when you say that spending per pupil, I mean, does it cost more to educate a kindergartner than it costs a high school student? Does it, I mean, this is sort of an average across the. Yeah, I'll talk about when the last two years of my work, right, like in advocating, you're right, you know, Kamal earlier shared a slide that showed that we only had 800 students. So like, what do you mean we have 900 students? And if you look at the education funding formula in Vermont, it recognizes that it costs more to educate certain types of students, right? I think it costs more to educate high school students than it does a fifth grader. In the 1997, like when they created this funding formula, I think there was a recognition that, you know, a little bit recognition for poverty, a little bit recognition for not as much on the multi-language learners, but there were like these little weights that kind of do that. And that's why, like when you look at this, you're going like, oh, how did we get to 908? It's those special kind of like extra additional weights that go into this. And from this point, you can see that we had a small decrease, but it's kind of like you're setting up for the next kind of slides for us to talk about the next story about how our district was not happy with a 1997 funding formula that a faculty research done by University of Vermont in Rutgers said that this was outdated and it was pretty much promoting inequities in our system that made it struggle for our community to actually properly fund our students. And we worked really hard on getting those funding formulas upgraded. And I'll show you what the results are as we move on to the next slide. And I think this is me, right? And one of the things that we wanted to share with folks is that we actually are going to apply some of our funding balance to help lower the tax rate. About 1.47 million is available so that we can really lower and build a bridge for the fiscal year 25. And what ACT 127 is, is what we just discussed a little bit. A little bit about how, hey, it costs actually a lot more to educate a student in multi-language. And once again, I don't want to say that there's a negative. It's just a matter of fact. Our multi-language learners help provide the liaison to our community. Whereas a lot of, sometimes when money is just tied to federal grants, it's only for the instructional need. But we all know that education is a family endeavor. So it costs us with multi-language layer who do a great job of connecting our families who don't speak English, to kind of be involved in the education system, right? There's also other needs. Like, you know, we do try to provide clothing, warm shoes, warm socks when we notice. And so these weights have been readjusted and that's why we're using our federal funds, our reserve funds to kind of lower the tax rate knowing that next year if our legislators don't change anything, which is always something that we worry about and we're monitoring on that, that if they don't change anything, we should have a better tax rate and more what they call taxing capacity, meaning more money for our buck and how we can properly educate and give the equity that our students deserve in our district. But what we also wanted to just say that, like applying this fund is 15%, but I wanted to kind of give a breakdown. Like, our fund balance as of June 30th of 2022 is about 3.3, 3.4, rounded up a million and there's things that we care about like that campus climbing to equity. And so we have an anti-racism steering committee that we also are kind of funding out our fund balance because a lot of people think equity doesn't cost money. That's not true. You need to kind of pay for the support that we're looking, we invested in that. We actually had a little bit of overrun because we rescinded some teachers. We were gonna cut two teachers from the previous budget, but after the fact, we rescinded that. So that's an additional money, capital project needs. So our projected balance is 2.6 million at the end of this kind of fiscal year. And our auditors recommended that we should always have about 4% of our operating budget. And so that comes down to about 1.1 million dollars-ish of our operating budget. So this gave us 1.46 million dollars from our fund balance to apply to lower the tax rate to 9.88%. And we thought that that was a wise decision because we didn't wanna make cuts that will rescind the good work that we've been doing knowing that we had a good bridge year coming ahead. Can you just explain on the bottom left there it says the result is a tax rate that is 15 cents lower than it otherwise would have been. Yeah, and I think so, you know, people always wonder, how does the math work? Like you increase the budget 20% and it only means your tax rate 9.8, right? Truthfully, if we actually didn't apply to any fund balance, our tax rate actually would have been 17% and stuff. So that 15 cents lower is kind of that math to say like, hey, we're applying this fund balance so that we can lower the tax rate. And yes, I'm not gonna say that 9% is a great number, it's hard. But this, we wanted to keep it as affordable too, like as many of our members and that's what we did. And maybe you're gonna get into this, but I think the question that I would have as the voters, what's the impact on me as a homeowner or a renter? That's a good, another segue. Jumping ahead on me, Megan. And one of the things, what is ACT 127? ACT 127 is gonna change the equalized of people, so if we had the weights this year, our equalized people count what goes from 900 to 1,242. This meant that our estimated tax rate should have been 1.56, right? Which would have been a decrease. It's actually calculates as a decrease of 14.4% with the same budget increase, right? So this is projecting forward for FY25 potentially, maybe. This is what would have happened if the law had applied this year, right? So if our legislators, our state reps, if you want, make sure a tail is small, like Daisy Probeco, are aware that they are not gonna change this act on us. So, you know, tax rate calculations come in in kind of two kind of buckets, homestead tax rates which involve why we focus on the equalized spending because it has impact. And then the other big thing is the CLA, which is the common level of appraisal, which basically says that like, how much of our home selling compared to the rate that's on the common list of approval? And unfortunately, this is the other hard part. In Winooski, we haven't had an appraisal and so that's around 76%, which means it also increases our tax, you know, it increases our tax rate. And there's also the income sensitized tax rates, which only is based on the per pupil spending and also on the income yield, which is not determined as you well know until May and the legislators kind of do this. So when people ask us, how much property taxes do I pay? Like we recommend that they go do this website to kind of learn, but it's hard.  If you're below 90,000, then you do the income. If you're between 90,000, your household income, if you're between 90,000 and 134,800s, it's between your house, it's a mixture of your house and your income. And if you're above 134, it's totally based on your house. So when you look at it like, you know, what does this mean? So say you have a house cold income at 90,000, in FI 23, we had a 2.3% kind of increase. So you were paying $2,106. With our current proposed budget, it's now gonna increase to 2,358, a difference of 12%. And but it increased overall in dollar amount, 252. But what's that based on the house value of? Nope, because this is, remember it's household income. If you're 90,000 and below and you own a house, it's totally on your household income. Got it. And so this is how it plays out if your household income is below 90,000, if you did some calculations on that, right? Now, the hard part is actually like trying to do a slide that's in between a household income and like property value. So we skipped that one and just said, let's say your household income is above 134,000 and 8,000, then it is completely based on your house site assessed value. Got it. And so if you had, so your income is above a hundred, your household income is above 134,000 and 8.8, right? $800.  And FY 23, you're paying 3,239. So your difference is, this is the 9.66% of your tax increase.  Got it. More on that. We want as a Winooski residents to say, like, you know, there is a relief credit and like everybody should be filling out their, if they own a home, they should fill out form HS-122 schedule HI-144 because Vermont does provide some tax credit and relief on your home and most people are eligible, but they have to file it or someone in their bank has to file it for them if they're paying a mortgage. So that is an announcement. When you come to vote on the day of voting, you're actually voting on two budget. One is a federal fund budget, which is basically money. We're basically saying, hey, as a town we're gonna accept these federal funds. If we don't accept, like let's say if we vote no on this, this means that the town has to come up with 3.491 million dollars. So that's one budget that we wanna make sure that people know. And then like I think our caveats is, is that because of income yield and property yield and the equalized people, some of these numbers aren't exact until the state Senate kind of gets it. And so there's always revision by legislation. And if you have opinion, please don't be afraid to call our representatives, Taylor Small, Daisy Barbeco, the speaker of House, Jill Koronsky and the governor Phil Scott. And then just a little bit more information. Here's your school board. Everybody in our town will be getting a budget flyer mailed out, but we're also doing a city and Winooski School District budget presentation for the community on February 9th at 5.30 p.m. at the O'Brien Community Center. And then we'll do another presentation, our annual on March 6th and stuff, so. And I assume we're probably gonna be recording that. Oh, cool. Looking to see if we're getting a nod on that or not. Right. We're getting a look. Hopefully. And so, you know, early voting does begin February 15th, March 7th, 7 a.m., sevens are wild here. So like, you know, come down and vote at the senior citizen, Barlow Street, please vote. This is the... Can we just rewind? So you're saying voters are gonna see one language or you're saying they're gonna see two pieces of language on the budget. Two pieces of language. One is for the federal, accepting the federal funding. And then the second one is accepting the school budget. And at this point, it's gonna look like it's a 9% tax increase. Yes, at 9.66, I should be careful, you know, and so. And if folks want to, they can find this information at WinooskiVT.gov to see sort of the expectation and to find more information about how to file for, file their HS122 for some relief, if need be. Right. We only have about one minute. I'm just, do we have, is there anything more that you wanna make sure that folks know? I appreciate what you just said earlier on that this is a voting for all residents. And I think this is a big part because if you look, we have a large new American population. And I really encourage our new American population to know that their voice matters. And being in a place that's about democracy.  And you're gonna, you know. Right, and I hope that what we have set as an example in Winooski is that your voice matters and that our voice is loud because that's why we built the school for all of our students, you know. And I do, and I'm gonna emphasize this one more thing, and I'm sorry, Kamal, is that this is truly an investment, not just in our children, but an investment in our community and it is an investment in our democracy. And so I hope everybody comes out and votes. Great, thanks so much. Kamal, any final words from you? I would reiterate the same thing that Alex said. No matter how you vote, please do and participate and vote. That's important thing. Yeah, great. So March 7th, polls are open seven to seven and we will have our results show here tonight. I mean, that night we'll be bringing you the results as we get them from the clerks and community members and I hope you can come in and join us and give us an update on election night about how the vote's gone. Thank you all for watching and continue to tune into our programming here at town meeting TV. That's all, good night.


Hello everybody, Andrea Trosti here with Dental Health Tutoring. So let me show you all how to fill out your 2018 self-assessment tool. You do have to fill this out and it is easy, but make sure to do so because if you don't, you will automatically be audited for your portfolio in 2018. And I mean, it's not a huge thing, but if you don't have to get audited, trust me, you don't want to be right. So make sure to fill this out. You have until January the 31st, but I speak from experience. It's quite easy to forget. So I would probably do this now. Okay, so make sure all you have to do is log in to your CVHO Smile Portal and then make sure to select up here the year 2018. So 2018 right here. And then you just have to click down here where it says self-assessment. So I'm actually doing mine now. So that's why there's still an X over here. So you just click on that and then just read through all of them. Now you might not meet all of the standards for everything. So keep that in mind. That is okay. So a lot of people just probably click yes to everything, but you might not meet pretty much everything, right? So make sure to read through it. Like I clicked partially met for I seek opportunities to participate in mentorships. And I did that because I do know what it is, but I don't have time. So I can't say that I met the standard because I didn't. I do know about it, but do I actually seek opportunities? No, I've looked into it. So that's why I said I partially met because I did look into it. If I had no idea what it was, then I would probably click on I do not meet the standard. It's totally up to you, but that's just a perfect example of looking through everything to make sure that it's that it is actually applicable to you. So there's a lot to read through, but that's okay. It is super easy and then click at the end. I'm all done. So I'm doing that right now to show you guys whoops and see it says that I didn't select an option. So obviously I forgot. So then move down to the end again. I'm all done. Yes, you're sure just takes usually a couple minutes. So you just have to wait. And then that's it. And then as you notice my self assessment tool for 2018 now has a check mark instead of an X. So this is just one last thing that I have to worry about. So I would probably stop the video now and I would fill this out before you forget because if you forget you will be audited and that's just something that if you don't have to be you don't want to be right. So yeah, so I would fill that out now. I hope this helped and thank you so much for watching.


The IAEA has broken ground on its Nuclear Security Training and Demonstration Center to help prevent and combat the threat of nuclear terrorism. One of the agency's core responsibilities is to help strengthen nuclear security globally. Member states are increasingly requesting practical nuclear security training from the IAEA to complement their national activities. The new center will allow the agency to step up the hands-on nuclear security training it already provides in Vienna and throughout the world. This includes training on physical protection of nuclear material and facilities, investigation and crime scene management, and nuclear forensics techniques. There will also be training on how to check for radioactive sources in preparation for major public events and how to sweep an area for any possible radioactive material, among many other skills related to nuclear security. What we are celebrating today is the fact that, for the first time, the IAEA or the international community as such, we have a training center for nuclear security. The new state-of-the-art center will provide more space for large exercises, as well as offering computer security and virtual reality training. It will be built in the agency's laboratories in Cybersdorf, Austria.


Good morning folks Steve Rhodes coming to you live from the shores of a well cloudy in cool Delray Beach, Florida. This year 11 am update. We've got a mixed bag out there. The mix goes like this. It's the dollars trading on 54 points, New York Stock Exchange is off seven, the other US indices are trading the upside S&P's up 19, NASDAQ's up 191, one and one fourth percent out there. The Russell's basically flat, the semis are not flat, 3% move to the upside, 122 points. Gold's up nine bucks, Silver's up seven cents, slides recruit up a buck. Natural gas is down 12 cents, 30 year treasury, we're putting out $1208 that's off 17 ticks out there. Let's go take a look at what all this means by looking at that nine panel market update chart. We begin with the upper left hand side, we've got the EES mini. What is it doing? Well it's just trading below the bottom of again the profile levels that we have established here on the black background chart. That is resistance. Resistance is 47.99. If we take a look at the spot bulletinics, it's still above the 50 day exponential moving average. That means these markets are not out of the woods and what we're seeing here is an oversold rally, at least that's the message at the moment. If in fact the spot bulletinics were to close below 1373 today that would signal that buyers are the ones that have the edge. If we take a look at the NQ, the NQ is trading above the top of its profile. In fact a close, yes it was a bearish and golfing candle. That actually confirmed a roadsman to Mindicator top. But a close above yesterday's high, 17033.75 when they gate that signal. In the case of the US dollar index, likely targeting 104.66, you've got a bit of a bounce here in gold but it's still below profile. It's got an 80 peak, we'll see any pattern. To the downside, 1986 is its first price projection level. Silver's still holding its TD9 account bottom. If in fact we get a close below 2263, we've got another leg lower inside of Silver. Lights we've crude, just trading in between us descending and its rising price channel as well with inside its profiles out there. But it's really that little wedgie and at some point in time, price is going to break out of that and then we'll have a measured move that's equal to that wedge. If we take a look at natural gas, odds favor that it's going to pull back towards the 261 to 269 level. That's its bowler structured by zone out there. Close below 2.611 is going to send us all the way back to the most recent lows. In the 30 year treasury, it's completed or it's confirmed an A to B equal CD to the downside. It's initial price projection, 1.1827-ish type level out there. That folks is your market update for Thursday. Yeah, it's already Thursday, January 18th. Have a terrific day. Stay tuned for the Trader Said Show but if you have to start your day, have a wonderful one. I look forward to speaking with you again soon. Take care, guys.


Alright, alright. So some of the biggest news going around right now is how Spill was exposed as an actual company. YouTube creators like D'Angelo Wallace and Petty Page have made videos about this. More and more people are talking about it. But in this video, I want to discuss why Spill being a company isn't necessarily a bad thing. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem, but focus on the solution. And if you're new to my channel, what I try to do is take different topics going on in the YouTube community and try to see what lessons we can pull from them to improve our own mental and emotional well-being. So if you're into that stuff, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell. And those of you who don't know because I'm going to be touching on some of these topics in this video, my brand new book, Canceled Inside YouTube Cancel Culture, is out now. Check out the description. Check out the pinned comment down below. It's over at my website. So if you want to kind of a behind the scenes look about cancel culture in the YouTube community, I share my own personal experience. I talk about some experiences of others that have gone on in the YouTube community, but check it out. There's an e-book and an audio book available. All right.   And yeah, some of you came to my channel because you saw my original video titled Why I Hate Spill. All right. But anyways, yeah, it looks like Spill is a company. This is a theory that I've had for a very long time and now it's true. So in this video, we're going to be talking about why that's not necessarily a bad thing. All right. But first, let's talk about some of the bad things. All right. Like one of the one of the main things that we need to talk about is like deception. Okay. Like this is something that is a growing problem on YouTube. Hell, look at the Tana Mojo and Jay Paul situation, right? Like YouTube was this platform that was originally created for like authenticity for creators to hop on and be themselves and everything like that. And we're starting to see this kind of blurred line where we don't necessarily know what's real and what's not real. So my biggest issue with Spill is just trying to promote the idea, the reality that they are just some kids working on this and they even made their own video to kind of expose themselves. And it's just like, you guys just come out with it. And I think D'Angelo Wallace did a great job discussing why companies and corporations try to humanize themselves a little bit more, especially in this day and age of social media. And you know, it's something like, let's talk about Jarvis Johnson. If you're not subscribed to Jarvis, you best go subscribe to Jarvis, right? But Jarvis has talked about this multiple times, like when he reviews like different corporate Twitter accounts and how they interact and like, you know, just try to be like actual people and stuff like that. But when it comes to Spill, when we're talking about, you know, promoting this idea that, you know, this is the reality when it's really not like Jarvis does a lot of videos on the channel, the YouTube channel actually happened. It's an animated channel where they promote these stories as being real, even though there's evidence to support that they're not real. So deception is just, it's something that is, it's tricky in this day and age with social media because social media is supposed to be like real people doing their thing because like, we already spent the last, you know, almost 100 years with, you know, TV shows and corporations doing this thing and YouTube was supposed to be this platform of authenticity and things like that. Now, for those of you who didn't watch my previous video on Spill, like, I don't have a problem with companies and corporations coming onto YouTube. So in my last video about Spill, I asked you, the audience, I said, Hey, how many videos do you watch on a specific topic? And most people, it was anywhere from like three to five, some people said six or seven, right? So I don't, I don't agree with the idea that, you know, companies coming in, it's going to take away views from other channels and individual creators because that's not what happens. All right, people watch multiple videos, like just because you're subscribed to one channel, doesn't mean you're not subscribed to another. All right, sometimes you would prefer to watch a video from this creator than another, but I'm actually really proud of you, the audience. All right, because a lot of you said that you watch multiple videos on a subject to get different perspectives to help you form your own opinions, something that I get worried about a lot when it comes to cancel culture and mob mentality is just, you know, just following what everybody else says. So I'm really proud of anybody who's watching, you know, different videos to get different perspectives on situations. But yeah, it seems like Spill, being a company, they're trying to do what they see works on YouTube, right, which is drama, which is animation. They even started their new channels and stuff, and they're taking these different angles of successful genres on YouTube. All right, so let's talk about why this isn't necessarily a bad thing. And drama channels out there, commentary channels out there, I'm sorry, but I'm just going to speak the truth. All right, so the first thing is, my original video, why I hate Spill, right, like there are so many comments like, you're just jealous, you're just jealous. And yes, it was a video about jealousy and what we do when we start to get jealous or envious of other people. So like, here's the thing, like, I know a lot of drama channels and, you know, people out there trying to expose Spill, they're trying to be like, aha, look, I'm doing this for the greater good. Like, they are full of it if they aren't willing to admit that there's some jealousy behind this.  It sucks, like, watching Spill's growth and how they did it and all the effort that they can put in to a video that us individual creators can't. Like, it sucks, right? But like, it's something that we just have to deal with. It's the same as when you open up a mom and pop store in your town and there's a Walmart across the street. They have more resources, they have more money and they can do that. You know what I mean? But in this digital platform, we're not at the same risk as a mom and pop store of being put out of business by these people. But I think that's part of that fear. But I think it would be helpful if the other drama channels or commentary channels or news channels would just admit that, like, part of it is just like, wishing that, you know, wishing that we could do what Spill does with the animation, the research, the captioning, all of that stuff. You know what I mean? So the biggest reason why Spill being on YouTube isn't a bad thing is because of drama channel bias. All right? Like, I look at this constantly because I'm researching different topics and everything like that to get ideas of how, what angles I want to take and everything. And you guys, like, it is clear as day that influencers, specifically people in the beauty community or just kind of in that, that realm, like, man, they manipulate the hell out of drama channels. And I was thinking about doing a whole separate video about this and I might, but you guys, like, they're such a bias. And when it comes to Spill, since they're trying to take a more journalistic approach and they are a company, like, you can kind of rest, be rest assured that their opinions on certain subjects aren't going to be swayed. Like, if you guys pay attention, check out your favorite drama channels, right? And look at how they cover different influencers. There are different influencers that each drama channel wants to, you know, kind of be friends with or get clout from, you know, or whatever. And you could see, like, when they cover stories about those people, they're very soft, they're very light. But then there's other influencers who they don't like, who they want nothing to do with, and they are so hard on them. You see what I mean? Like, there is such a bias.  If you think that I'm crazy, all right? I think it's cool when influencers hang out with, like, the drama channels or commentary channels or whoever. I love when influencers interact, but it does sway their opinion.  I know that Trisha Paytas has hung out with some channels. All right? So check out those channels who they hung out with. See how they cover stories about the people they've hung out with versus how they cover stories about other people, specifically people like Jacqueline Hill, people like James Charles, right? So there is this major bias that's happening with these stories that are getting covered, whereas, like, these drama channels are almost holding influencers hostage, like, listen, if you're not nice to me, if you don't hang out with me, I'm going to come after you in videos, right? And this is something that we don't have to worry about with Spill. So not only is Spill well researched, right? And the production's great. And they go really in depth. We also don't really have to worry about them being influenced for the sake of, like, clout or being friends with these big influencers. All right? But the last thing I want to talk about, and this is something that I talk about in my book, canceled extensively. And it's just the reality of it. All of us channels, whether you do commentary, drama, news, like with exceptions like Philip DeFranco and a few others, like there is no journalistic standard or integrity that has to be upheld. All right? Like, I talked to quite a few journalists who cover like YouTube stories and stuff like that. And here's what I mean. Like, when drama channels and commentary channels and news channels, when they put information out there, like they have no responsibility when it comes to it. Like, there are so many situations where they have put out lies or misinformation and there are no repercussions. Like, I watched so many stories and I have talked with different journalists. I'm like, what would happen at your job if you released this story and it was found out to be wrong? Like, we have seen so many times lately. They're like, oh, I'd get fired, right?  They don't have to correct stories. And listen, this is something that I'm really passionate about because it happened to me. It happened to me. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of videos out there that are just spreading lies and misinformation about me and nothing can be done about it.  Because at least they're trying to take a journalistic approach when it comes to these things. They're trying to get stories right. So when you combine that with them not having this kind of bias of being swayed by different influencers, like more power to them. So some of you watching this, you know my history, there is an infamous Trisha Paytas apology video. I put that in quotes because it wasn't really a Trisha Paytas apology video. That was deleted. And if you read my book, I discussed this story in detail. But that video, I was seriously considering looking into legal options because of the slander that was happening about me. And with the people I talked to who understand law and everything like that, they're like, yeah, Chris, you have a case. You have a case and you can go after these people. But one of the issues is when you're an independent creator, if you take legal action against another creator, it is pretty much career suicide. Imagine what would happen. And that's one of the reasons I didn't do it because I didn't want to set that precedent.  But I appreciate that spill is covering these topics in a way that actually has some integrity behind it because we don't have to worry nearly as much about bias, slander, and all those other things. All right, so you may completely disagree with me, but I'm telling you right now, company or not, spill is still the best tea channel drama channel, whatever you want to call it on the platform. Anyways, let me know your thoughts on this subject down in the comments below. And don't forget before I let you go, my brand new book canceled inside YouTube cancel culture, go get yourself a copy, ebook and audio book are available now down in the description down in the pin comment below. All right, anyways, that's all I got for this video. If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up. If you're new, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell and a huge, huge thank you to everybody supporting the channel over on Patreon. You're all amazing and a huge thank you to everybody who supports the channel in other ways, buying merch, buying my books and all that good stuff. All right, thanks again for watching. I'll see you next time.