iate the israeli argument that this is more than a squabble between tribes over some small territory but israel being on a front line of the war against global jihad and that hamas is also other things linked to his fellow link to iran linked even to ices at least holistically i think u.s guts all that but as we just heard from vice president they have no particular desire to be involved with troops on the ground remember that the american public uh what was uh clearly overwhelmingly tired of what became known as forever wars in iraq and in fghanistan and gaza has potential to be even more forever than any either of those if if outsiders get involved that said uh among the scenarios being thrown around for a possible day after uh reality in gaza should hamas really be deposed i believe the foreign forces including u.s forces and maybe arab forces as well is is one of the more plausible dan stay with us we've got much more to discuss right now rocket siren sounding in some southern communities let's go straight to al khamda sahochi joins us from southern israel what update can you share this hour khamda well look beneath of the israeli military is continuing to strike targets inside of the gaza strip and the military has been firm about what their tactics are going to be with this new ground operation inside the gaza strip saying that it is progressing now on the other side of the border residents are reporting that they're unable to leave the northern part where a lot of these airstrikes have been taking place but the military is saying that upon further entry into the gaza strip troops encountering a number of hamas cells eliminating them eliminating anyone who tried to attack them using various methods like helicopters drones and the tanks that were inside so the strikes continue at this hour as the rocket fire still seems to emanate from several uh places into israeli territory give us a sense of the scale the number of communities in the south that have evacuated since the seventh of october while rocket fire continues for day 24 of the war many communities there are not staying in their homes right now that's right all over israel you're talking around 125 000 people who have been evacuated both north and south but a lot of those numbers actually around 100 000 are from these southern communities that the military has now declared a militarized zone there's really only press here no one is really still here because of the constant alerts because of the threats um that do pose the southern community you're talking about mortars you're talking about artillery fire things not just relating to rockets so while the military is also advancing moving troops farther south moving them toward the front line the people here have left at the military and the defense ministry's requests so while all these areas are still evacuated they the people are now in state funded guest houses or hotels you could hear a little bit of that artillery fire outgoing the israeli military still striking targets inside of daza bonita as the sun sets behind you correspondent khamdas al hoot stay safe live from southern israel thanks khamda and now for more we welcome mechmut agutsu former turkish diplomat joining us from london mechmut thank you very much for your time recep Tayyip Erdogan has made several speeches since this war started the last one was very critical of israel he's called benjamin netanyahu a terrorist he says israel is not a state and is an occupier he's also calling khamas a liberation group what is your take on this rhetoric from the turkish president your thoughts actually to be honest i wasn't expecting such a rhetoric to come from president Erdogan as well because he made a great deal of effort to improve relations with israel as you remember relations have been restored together ambassadors exchange there was a pipeline project being discussed and at such a critical stage of course hamas attack appeared than israeli retaliation and he was pollutioning himself as a possible fair intermediator between the two parties but if you have such a harsh rhetoric no matter what the original reason for this is it makes it impossible for now erdogan to be a intermediary between hamas israel and other countries also reconstruction effort of the worst securing peace and so it's not a matter of rights and wrongs but as a statesman if you want to play a constructive role i think now this is over because it is going to take israel to the as a war criminal a declaration to the world and then one day suddenly unexpectedly turkish army might be mobilized so these are very dangerous wars and things that if you cannot translate into these you should never speak i'm sure that the turkish foreign minister and minister of economy were not happy about these statements because they were trying to make efforts to restore confidence between the two sides and also turkish economy is not in great shape right now as we know minister of economy it might seem shaky was touring around the world to attract more finance and investment and so it remains to be seen but if the conflict is going to spread which we hope will not burst to egypt then perhaps to iraq syria and finally iran which is the most dangerous one i think in terms of conflict being intensified turkey will not benefit from this either so i think there is a need for a country like turkey which is the largest regional power to reckon with all the way from china to uh germany russia to saudi arabia right expecting as a former diplomat president to play a more moderating role no matter how emotionally he is of course attached to the palestinian cause i think real politic requires that turkey could have played a more constructive role between israel and palestinians right i must say only palestinians as we know you have a fatty and also israel is living there so uh a golden opportunity has been missed in this regard to push forward israeli turkish relations and to play a constructive role in this conflict written region let's see how it's going to evolve perhaps you know other players in turkish like the former minister right well as you well know the president was supposed to be visiting israel that trip obviously is canceled right now help us understand there were reports that turkey asked hamas leaders to leave the country following the terror attacks on the 7th of october those reports were vehemently denied what did actually happen on that front what can you share well to the best of my knowledge uh i think when the hamas leaders in turkey at that time showed such a great sense of uh victory uh after the hamas attacks and the turkish foreign ministry asked them uh gently to leave the country because they knew that this was going to complicate the situation and also yes i mean they don't come turks don't consider hamas as a terrorist organization but what happened you know 1400 people being massacred and such organization if you call them freedom fighters then there will be repercussions of this for turkey as well with pkt wife exactly turkey is fighting them these terrorist organizations but then your allies will start calling them as freedom fighters you will be in difficult position as well perhaps i think i don't think that the president has thought at great length about this but i i carefully look at these notes it wasn't a you know written speech normally on such critical issues president is provided talking points then he reached official lines but this time i think he spoke as freely about 55 minutes so hamas leaders i mean turkey never hosted hamas military video as far as i know and the hamas political leaders were you know shouting between katar and turkey and this was one way of also constraining them perhaps to play the contractual industry guard rather than promoting them in such a way that they will you know the post a serious threat to israel's security so we appreciate your insight thank you so much for speaking to asia mechmet or go to former turkish diplomat live from london thank you very much for your time all right thanks and now to southern israel many residents have returned to the scene of the terror attacks at their homes for the first time in more than three weeks our correspondent mary mcowdough is actually puts near us and filed this report well we see the signs of devastation here in this community we also see the signs of life that once were the communities the families that once lived here and i want to show you this wall over here it's something probably many people who are watching this have had in their similar homes i know my family also had one when we were younger tracking the ages of the children throughout the years and the various heights just want to look at this youngest one the smallest child uvall this was taken august 2016 the most recent entry for uvall was july 10th 2023 just a few months ago this is one of the houses that have been held hostage the people here who once lived here on this line of houses most of the people here have been kept as hostage or they think at least they're held hostage still here we don't have many answers they're still families without any answers who think maybe their relatives were took hostage but could have been murdered but are still reported missing and still waiting for answers still waiting for closure to find out exactly what happened this is a situation for most of the people here in nero's where there's not one family who hasn't been affected by what happened on october 7th heartbreaking report there from our correspondent mary mcowdough and still with the hostage situation 239 hostages being held by Hamas right now abducted during their terror rampage in southern israel hadas calderon is waiting for word on her two children and their father and two other relatives she spoke to i-24 news from nero's after returning to the kibbutz for the first time since the 7th of october last message i got from them 8 30 in the morning it told me they jumped from the window and hid in the bush behind the house just imagine your child your small child been kidnapped from his bed with pyjama no shoes cruelly way taken from his bed and now he's disappeared they disappeared they've been a very we've been very peacefully nice happy family he loved all these plants and flowers always very static way everything was so sad now it's gone nothing they burn our souls they really burn our soul what can i say it's a hell we have nightmare three weeks of nightmare to bring them home bring my children home and their father that's all i want i don't care how i'm not an army and political woman i want them home the whole world have to understand it's not just our private story it's can be it's can happen everywhere today it's here tomorrow it's in your house in your house and your child you must understand it's a like worse than a cry though it's like monsters and a new man very cool crime israeli mother hadas calderon speaking to i-24 news no words now we go to jerusalem our senior correspondent oan ultiman joins us and oan so hard to hear the heartbreak from an israeli mom you are at a moving display there empty beds symbolizing the hostages being held by hamas tell us more that's right benita here in saffron square by the jerusalem municipality building in the center of the city you can just take a look with all our viewers the empty beds the empty bed signifying the 239 maybe more hostages being held by hamas by others in gaza and you see among the beds there are also cribs maybe we can take a quick look the cribs of course denoting the children the babies there are at least 30 children being held in gaza as hostages we just heard the report from mary we just heard that mother speaking as well about the horrible hardship that these families are going through of course we also had just over the last few hours that video released by hamas with the signs of life at least from three hostages of course this just the latest display in the latest part of the bring them home movement benita the movement by the families and by their supporters to try to raise awareness about the hostages both in israel and internationally i was out at the tent camp in televiv yesterday across from the zireli military headquarters meant to send a message from their perspective to the military leadership and to the political leadership and here in the center of israel's capital you just saw the beds and you just understood what they mean so difficult to actually comprehend what these families are all going through senior correspondent oh and ultimate life from teresal and thank you so much still with me in studio dan perry and dan you've covered this region for a long time this is a nation that has been through a lot of pain but when you hear the screams the urging from an israeli mom saying i just want to know that my family is okay give us an assessment of your take on the feeling on the ground 24 days into this war we're hearing the ports out of what is happening in the gaza strip we know what the idf is planning to do but the temperature on the ground the israeli psyche right now you know throughout israel's history it suffered terrorist attacks a plenty but simply never anything like this so there is such a tremendous contrast between a startup nation and a country's per capita gdp's higher than germany's and britain's and a little bit of the hubris that i think israeli's were sensing that the the real dangers have passed and what we saw here i mean a monumental massacre equivalent per capita of 40 or more 9 11's and the level of barbarism with which it was carried out will mess with your mind it'll create a level of anger that that might affect the intelligence of your reaction as well or maybe a reaction doesn't need to be intelligent after something so viscerally insane it's such thoughts what to do such total confusion such a sense of betrayal by the leadership or that there is no one to depend on for security are obviously devastating for the national psyche of a country i would add it's a challenge because so many people are so tempted to conclude from this something that sounds like dehumanization of the enemy i think it's very important that is rarely should remember something that i often am addressing to foreign audiences which is that there remains an important distinction to be made between the palestinians and the criminal barbarians called hamas i'm not saying that have no political support in palestine but you're not going to get anywhere if you don't make that distinction and i would also address that to hamas is useful idiots on u.s campuses these progressives in the united states who think that standing with palestine is standing with hamas they're wrong desperately wrong uh criminally wrong and some of those israelis that think that all palestinians are hamas that all palestinians are hamas we need to maintain some humanity even when inhumanity has been imposed on us it's interesting you raise the issue of students younger people who are more active on social media because one of the extra shocking aspects of this terror attack on the 7th of october was the fact that hamas filmed it and hamas wanted the world to see the savage attacks that took place hamas wanted the evidence to be shown globally and yet on campuses that you are describing not all campuses but the ones that you are alluding to the sentiment is not outrage about the children who were burnt in front of their parents it's not outrage about the people who were slaughtered while at a music festival why is that what is your take very briefly there's an element of anti-semitism uh there's an element of anger at israel's policies against the palestinians and disinterest in the details of who killed who and there is the rank stupidity of youth and the combination of all these things basically is leading to what we see in gen z in america and it really needs to be addressed because the level of nihilism that is suggested by what we see from what poll suggests is half of the youth in america will lead to very bad things on other fronts as well if left unchallenged and unfixed you are certainly raising some grave concerns and this conversation will definitely be continuing but for now international affairs analyst and perry former europe editor at the associated press thank you for being here in studio and that is a wrap for this edition of breaking news coverage i'm benita levine in tel aviv thank you for watching israel is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking more than a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped we just don't know anything entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity i24 news coming to you live from tel aviv on this day 24 of israel's war with hamas and hamas has released a propaganda video showing three of the 239 hostages who are being held in gaza the three women have been named and their families are expected to give a press conference later this evening well after several hours of quiet rocket fire resumed this afternoon from gaza with a barrage fired at jerusalem for the first time in several days no casualties were reported and in the last hour a barrage of rockets fired at central israel as well several mortars were fired from lebanon at israeli military posts along the northern border setting off sirens across the western galley again no casualties and the idf says it did strike a terror cell in south lebanon today that was preparing to launch mortars well let's find out what's happening in gaza now our correspondent hamda salhout is down at israel southern border hamda just give us a sense what is the latest this hour well look the israeli military continues to strike targets inside of the gaza strip all via land air and sea now you can see a little bit behind me of those lights those are renewed airstrikes and renewed attacks by the israeli military on those targets inside gaza they've been focusing primarily on the northern part where they have asked citizens to evacuate however sources inside of the gaza strip are telling me as the bombardment continues it is becoming increasingly difficult to evacuate to more southern areas now the military is saying this is the next step of their war moving ground forces further inside of gaza to assist with targets overnight even an earlier today they said they encountered several hamas cells that they eliminated the assistance of attack helicopters tanks and drones so the military continuously hoping to achieve their initiatives inside of gaza you could hear some of that outgoing artillery rocket fire renewing from the gaza strip the military has also been trying to focus on these rocket launching sites however there have still been large barrages of rockets fired at several places in israel not just in these southern communities where we are so as the military prepares itself for even the next phases of its war the airstrikes and the artillery continue laura and does the strategy then hamda this phase two of the war as the defense minister puts it does this seem to be that the idf is incrementally taking over parts of northern gaza using tanks and military vehicles well of palestinian media reported today that is really tanks were stationed in a position at a junction that was very strategic inside of the gaza strip on a road that connects the north to the south a road that stretches almost 45 kilometers down the strip so the military is inching closer and closer into those targets however this is not the full flage ground offensive that we have been seeing so while the military continues to strike these targets they are hoping to achieve more of those objectives a big one is actually to bring the hostages home the more than 230 turn 39 israelis and foreigners that are inside of the gaza strip you saw a video released today by hamas of three of those hostages continuously playing into the psychological warfare on both sides so the war is still a very active situation as this time as the Israeli military continues to pound targets inside of gaza hamda thank you very much hamda sakhut there is down at israel's border with gaza as the military offensive continues on this day 24 let me introduce my studio guests to you now uh lieutenant colonel doron avital is a former commander of the special forces in the idf welcome to you doron we're also joined by ben draw yemeny he's the senior journalist at the yediot ahonot daily welcome to you ben as well um let's talk a bit about this um propaganda video um the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has called it a cruel psychological propaganda this is three women who are among the 239 hostages um basically making an an angry uh call on the government saying you let us down you didn't keep us safe we want to cease fire we want you to bring us home now um your initial thoughts on that doron i think the enemy knows our weak spots and he really targets those weak spots and he knows also the the big divide in his valley society prior to the war and he's in this video whoever has seen it you can really feel it it resonates there so we have to be steadfast careful it's a sign of life we can use it and and continue with the aim to in the end release as many hostages as we can while of course conducting this war and i should point out i-24 news has made the decision not to play the video because uh it is uh how much propaganda after all uh ben draw your your thoughts on that many media channels decided not to play this video and correctly so rightly so because uh this is part of these how much propaganda as we understand now now we are in a stage of a propaganda war i mean what they are trying to do is look we are human you can see the women and and and uh you can release them by a ceasefire the ceasefire the meaning of a ceasefire is and actually that they will escape from the israeli retaliation nobody wants it i mean we know we know exactly what the story is and the story is that israel cannot continue no country can continue this kind of threat constant trade which is coming with rockets to civilian population no we cannot continue with it it should be clear to the world and we are so sorry about the images coming from the gaza strip yes people are suffering but they are suffering because of the hamas hamas have has an option right now immediately to declare a ceasefire we uh don't war anymore take all the rockets surrender yes so i mean this is the only way i mean instead of destruction but they sacrifice the people of gaza they sacrifice not israel israel is doing just what the united states did in in muscle in other places i mean we have to do it in order to uphold this kind of hamas nobody can stop us from doing it but but we don't want this bloodshed well the criticism is and i've seen comparisons with raka and in syria and morsel in in in iraq where there was a campaign to destroy the islamic state the difference is that the civilians inside gaza now cannot leave they're prevented from leaving by egypt it's it's a it's a very good point first of all they are asked to leave and if they cannot leave it's because of the hamas not because of israel that's one just to remind you one more battle i think it was in 2004 in fallujah they just evacuated the us army just evacuated almost the whole city evacuated or that they escaped and so many people anyway were kid speaking about innocent civilians so so nobody but nobody can teach us a lesson how to defend ourselves from this kind of terror you did it when it was so many thousand kilometer from your house from your country and you're telling us not to do it when we are speaking about rockets on tel aviv but any minute as as we know it happened to us in this kind of broadcast any minute there might be an alarm and we will have to hide ourselves i mean we cannot live like that not anymore i don't think that one person in washington is willing to live like that not in new york not in washington not in chicago so i think we're seeing live pictures right now coming to us from over gaza uh these are flares right door on to allow the idf to see the targets that it wants to strike yeah exactly i mean these are flares in order to see the targets i think the army the strategy right now is very clear it's uh under this headline of the next phase we no longer thinking the old terms in the next phase is really those ground incursions in which we are slowly slowly as hamsa said inching in and closing on gaza and we do think on the army think that this goes hand in hand this pressure that is exerted on the hamas with the idea of releasing the hostages we don't see it as an ideal but as the two moves work together and this is how the army works there's also a great fog of war intentionally i mean the army doesn't disclose exactly what's up so we look we just can figure out the picture and i think it's part of the strategy and the tactic i think it's the right strategy the right tactic we are moving in closing in but with an eye to the hostages all the time i think we have a map we can bring up perhaps of gaza to talk a bit about what is what is going on because we're seeing these nightly limited incursions aren't we dawn rather than a major all out ground offensives a lot of people were expecting yeah it was a smart move everybody were expecting it everybody were thinking in terms this is the red line that would wake up his bala and so on but no we are slowly there we are we can see the map there if you want to comment on that exactly coming from the north coming also now there was a sighting of tanks in in the salahadine street on that main street through the center of god so it's like from the south i think the army has a plan clearly and i think the plan works in the meantime well of course it's going to take a long time isn't it a long time it's also trigger some of the Hamas to come out of their tunnels and then they meet our army we succeeded to eat many Hamas operatives coming from those tunnels we gather a lot of intelligence this intelligence is crucial to the next move so i think the army works right now well but of course it takes time it does it very measured and very slowly but measured it's not only it's not only the us just let's remember that it was also russia against chechnya the rebels now it took them something like five minutes of blockade in order to enter speaking about uh yeah about five six months and they destroyed the capita they completely can't respond to grozny they they destroyed and now now russia is trying to tell us what i don't think anyone is taking military lessons from russia are they yeah but they are now collaborating with the Hamas which is but the united states is not putting pressure on israel yeah not not for now but we hear what we hear some senators here and there are members of the house and we know not yet but but the images coming from gaza our terrible images we have to we have to know it we have to know that it's going to be even worse but not because of israel because of the Hamas a terror organization that must be uprooted but but when you hear reports for example that doctors inside gaza say they cannot evacuate a hospital because it's physically impossible whereas you've got israel providing evidence that that very hospital is being used as a a terrorist base it's a it's a it's a big dilemma for israel it's a big dilemma but i think even the chief of staff was very the chief of staff was very clear talking about being very precise and exact in the way you figure the target and as you enter in you get a more intelligence you can be even more exact and more targeted but this is part of the warfare that we are having and of course we have to understand there would be a window in terms of the alliance that support us and the us and europe and this window we have to utilize to the best of the that we can all right well details of the atrocities committed by Hamas terrorists on october 7th are still being revealed almost a month later our correspondent mary mccauliffe has been visiting the kibbutz of near oz where more than a quarter of the community was either murdered or kidnapped here's her report well we see the signs of devastation here in this community we also see the signs of life that once were the communities the families that once lived here and i want to show you this wall over here it's something probably many people who are watching this have had in their similar homes i know my family also had one when we were younger tracking the ages of the children throughout the years and at various heights just want to look at this youngest one the smallest child you've all this was taken august 2016 the most recent entry for you've all was july 10th 2023 just a few months ago this is one of the houses that have been held hostage the people here who once lived here on this line of houses most of the people here have been kept as hostage or they think at least they're held hostage still here we don't have many answers there's still families without any answers who think maybe the relatives were took hostage but could have been murdered but are still reported missing and still waiting for answers still waiting for closure to find out exactly what happened this is a situation for most of the people here in near oz where there's not one family who hasn't been affected by what happened on october 7th mary mccauliffe they're visiting one of the worst hit kibbutz near oz more than a quarter of the residents were either murdered or taken hostage and yet another victim of the october 7 attacks has been identified today 23 year old german-israeli woman shani luke was kidnapped from the nova music festival shani was seen early on on a hamas propaganda video where she was being paraded half naked and broken her leg clearly broken on the back of a pickup truck while men spat on her body she has now been confirmed as deceased president hetzog says she was beheaded her family have been notified so just one atrocity beautiful girl shani luke was 23 years old when she was murdered by hamas terrorists so as you can see the full horror of what happened on october 7th is still being revealed more than three weeks later ben doi i mean a reminder of why israel is fighting this war um just one mark i was there and and it's in the oz yeah i mean many settles just next to the border and and it's not like what you see in in the videos because of the smell because of the atmosphere because of the blood stains which are still i mean you see it and and you understand and you understand that there is a problem a real problem and i mean i wrote it several times in the last ten years that hamas is actually speaking the leaders of the hamas they speak about extermination they are not speaking about end of closure or end of occupation no it's not it's not and what they speak about is about extermination and attempt to genocide according to some league like that exactly i mean but people did not want to hear i mean so many people i'm speaking about people who demonstrate now against israel what you are demonstrating in favor of of the islamo nazism that we are facing what they spoke about extermination by the way they did not even speak only about extermination of jews they spoke also about extermination of the west of christians i i i presented all the videos of the leaders speaking about it but so many people just ignore it i don't want anybody to suffer i don't want the people from the gaza strip to suffer they are suffering why because everywhere but everywhere where you have this kind of radical islam of jihad there is destruction and bloodshed it's not only it's not the struggle between israel it's it's a global phenomena look what's happening in the syahil countries in africa and so on and so on and so on wherever they are revealing we have destruction and bloodshed now what do you want us to give up what do you want us to surrender what do you want us to continue there's an effort on on some countries to kind of separate the the the circumstances surrounding israel and its ongoing conflict with the palestinians from the fight against islamo fascism that you've just spoken about it's a very good question i'll tell you why because i'm supporting peace any peace initiative that was in the last 20 years from clinton to whatever i think we need peace i think the palestinians have the right for their determination i never i was never against it i'm speaking on my behalf not speaking about on behalf of the government the point is and we have to understand it the radical islam will not let it happen do you want peace eliminate jahamas that's the rule you want peace you have to eliminate do you think the palestinian authority can deliver on maybe after maybe after right now to speak about peace it will be a kind of wow out of context first of all we have to eliminate the hamas if we have the hamas they will always they will always do whatever they can in order not to let it happen just one last sentence about this issue maybe we'll talk about it later i mean why did it happen now it happened now because of the mega deal between the us so the arabia and israel they wanted to fail it and that's why i hope they will not succeed but just let's let's let's well Saudi Arabia has indicated it would like to continue with normalization it's great news if it will really happen because that's what they wanted to prevent i think once this war ends and i hope it will end soon and that our prices will not be too high to civilians and so on i think the alliance that is behind israel the us europe nato even in the context of this so the initiative that bendor was mentioning would demand some kind of resolution and i think the agent of this resolution in terms of the palestinian is the palestinian authority however weak it is over elderly the current president i mean there is no other palestinian there's not exactly no other representative however it's not that respectable in its own population the problem of corruption but there's no other option so i think we should expect after a very hard war where we can expect this well i mean these are hard lessons that have been learned by by the west by the united states in their wars in iraq and afghanistan um is it i mean how can you go into a war when you don't have an idea of what it might look like afterwards there is no plan but the context our context a little bit different this is a long we have a long israeli arab conflict that was of course as was mentioned earlier a long national and self-determination lines and now moved with hamas to this religious war of islam or extreme islam against the westerners and jews and israelis that take over the land the holy land but i think if we can bring it back to the old context okay and try to get to move forward in the old terminology maybe there's some future to this to this region and i can just say in the last 10 minutes the german chancellor has confirmed the death of shani luke he says it shows the barbarity of hamas shani luke was a dual israeli german citizen and this is part of the reason that european america is standing so strongly with israel many of their citizens are hostages many of their citizens were murdered uh it just it just emphasized the fact that we are not speaking about a conflict between israel and hamas no it's not a story it's not about blockhead and it's not about the siege it's something something which is much larger speaking about blockhead how come they have so many rockets how come they have this kind of huge industry of death i think this is how come i mean if there is a blockhead i mean first of all they smuggled whatever they wanted they smuggled whatever they wanted i mean not only and and every day hundreds of of of trucks came from israel to the gaza street almost 20 000 people from gaza came to work in israel i mean what are you talking about and and and none were going into egypt or very few very good point very good no no one went to they came to work in israel i mean actually the whole the whole economy in the gaza street i mean the money that they made in israel was much more speaking about each month much more than what they received from from qatar and iran all together and what did they do with the money what did they do with them we know nothing but nothing for prosperity for welfare for education only but only the tunnels it i don't know how much it could cost a hundred of millions of dollars in the infrastructure of death so to to argue against israel about the what about the siege about the blockhead what are you talking about what people what are you talking about when you're talking about this kind of siege i'm just saying the agenda of hamas was clear and extreme islamic agenda and but i was sad because of course that we didn't notice that the magnitude of the infrastructure and the magnitude of the attack plans and we were hoping some of us were hoping that pragmatically they would go for economical measures working in israel and so on in the end it blew up in our face and now we have to reconsider of course we are in a war that was the famous concept that's been spoken about the the hebrew word for the the philosophy pertaining to hamas the netanyahu government tried to treat hamas as a rational actor one which would make economic considerations seek a better life for its people obviously even we know now that that they were playing us out they were trying to show to tell us that they are instigating only the operatives in the west bank while on the other hand they were planning this attack this terrible surprise attack a terrible setback but now we are back and we are fighting back bend or i mean in terms of the political situation the other policy of the netanyahu government was to develop the settlements in the west bank do you think that that is also kind of diverted attention away from gaza it's a very good question because i'll tell you um first of all uh to criticize israel is quite legitimate i mean we do it i mean in israel it's a democracy and i would say that 80 percent of the journalist in israel including me by the way we criticize the policies of the government concerning the west bank concerning the settlements i have to admit i'm totally against it i'm totally against it you're in favor of dismantling all of the west bank i'm in favor of any peace initiative that's what i am and i'm against and i have to say it i mean even now i'm against the policy of this government concerning the construction in the west bank no i guess i'm against it but it is nothing to do with the global jihad nothing to do you want to criticize israel about uh some policies fair enough we do it by the way we do not need you we do not need this kind of international bds because bds is not against that's a boycott dimension no it's not yeah bds boycott the sanctions and so on against israel it's not about it's not about settlements it's not against our compassion it's against the very existence of israel just listen to what the leaders of the bds are saying they are part of the the axis of evil iran chamas and the people who are against the very existence of israel but but if israel didn't have a presence in the west bank what's to stop the west bank palestinians arming to the same extent that they did in gaza and then you would have the same security challenge on a much bigger scale yeah the point is that you know most of israel is supported the disengagement from the gaza street yeah they supported it i mean we had many polls and and after arielle charon who was a pilot arielle charon who was a prime minister when he initiated it there was a big debate in the israel society the in the election immediately after his party he was not there anymore but his party won yeah i was there because the israeli public opinion supported this kind of disengagement and it was clear that if it's going to succeed in the gaza street it's going to be also in the west bank but no what did they do what lesson did they teach us the lesson was if you disengage we are going to have the rule of the of the radical islam which was very sad so people many times do not understand how comes it's a right wing party which i do not like i have to admit how comes that they eventually eventually form the government it happened one of the reasons one of the reasons is okay you cannot speak anymore about evacuating the west bank because we are going to get a new gaza we don't want it what is the right solution we have we will have to discuss it immediately after this crisis we cannot continue from one hand with settlements in the gaza in the west bank we cannot evacuate all sorts of west bank from the other end we will have to find a good solution a right solution that that the radical islam will always want to sabotage to fail i think shul was not of the idea of disengaging from the west bank it meant that in the west bank there would be some arrangement according to some line you remember the road famous road map that he presented to president bush and of course always a military presence on the jordan river so it was a different story and there was some aspirations of independence of statehood for the Palestinian people all right we're going to take a very short break do stay with us we'll be back in a moment with all the very latest you're watching i-21 news don't go away is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity and in israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with israel visit israel bonds.com and invest now made for me a unique concept in israel custom made men's fashion to your measurements made for me designer of all your events schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il made for me official dresser of i-24 news good evening ladies and gentlemen you're watching i-24 news coming to you live from televiv on this day 24 of israel's war with hamas and some good news released in the last few minutes the idf has managed to rescue a soldier female soldier private ori magi dish there she is with her family she was kidnapped by hamas terrorist on the 7th of october she has been freed by idf soldiers during an overnight raid into gaza we don't know the details of what exactly happened she is the first person to have been freed by the idf her name is ori magi dish she's in a good medical condition she's been with her family the idf and the intelligence services the shinbet say they will continue to make every effort to bring about the release of all the abductees all the hostages ori magi dish is free after an operation by the idf a reminder 238 hostages at least are still being held in gaza well sirens blaring off across northern israel today after rockets were fired in a number of towns in the western galley no casualties reported let's go to the north of israel now our correspondent robert swift is there robert was the latest so there's been two major security events taking place on the northern border in the last few hours the more recent of these was an anti-tank attack which took place around about two hours ago i'd say and this was fired at communities that are in sort of the center of the northern border area about five anti-tank missiles were fired across the border with no casualties reported it's understood that the israeli military responded to this attack with artillery fire and then further to the west right towards israel's coastline though a series of communities there came under target came under a fire from mortars with the israeli military responding there with artillery fire and mortar rounds of its own so rob we saw there was a house hit by a rocket last night we saw i think 10 rockets fired into israel from lebanon last night would you say that we've been seeing a significant escalation in the last few days it's it's kind of it's hard to say because essentially hezbollah wants to give the impression that it is escalating but at the same time it appears that it might be trying to avoid crossing a certain threshold which would embroil it in a full-on war with israel so although yeah there has been you know an escalation in the last few days there's been escalations for many days over the over the last two three weeks so it's hard to say exactly where that's going all right well thank you very much robert swiftare he's in the north of israel and let's take a quick listen to prime minister benjamin netanyahu who gave a statement a short while ago and in it he addressed the terrorist organization hezbollah take a listen i must say that we give full confidence both in the system and in the leadership under the chief of staff and we do this as the entire people and the entire leadership of the people there will also be further steps it is impossible to detail them here we are talking about them within the war cabinet at the same time we are working to actively deter the northern front and i repeat to hezbollah you will make the mistake of your life if you decide to fully intervene in the campaign you will receive a blow that you cannot even imagine at the same time we are continuing our efforts to free the hostages even during the maneuver and the maneuver even creates opportunities to release the hostages and we will not miss them this campaign will take time there will be bumps there will be difficulties there will be losses there will also be surprises but in the end i promise you one thing chamas will be beaten chamas will be defeated gaza will be different and a reminder of my guest is our lieutenant colonel doran avital is a former commander of these special forces in the idf ben droh yemeni is a senior journalist at yedi yod welcome to you both and joining us now on the liner shadi halul is a hezbollah expert and the director of strategic partnerships at the alma research center great to have you with us again shadi and we just got an update on what's going on in the north and i wanted to draw your attention to some comments by the lebanese prime minister naji mikati he says he's trying hard to keep his country out of the war and he appeared to be saying that hezbollah had been kind of limited in its attacks on israel so far do you agree with that well of course mikati is actually trying to keep his country safe because at the end he knows the destruction that this terrorist group that is no difference from high isis hamas will bring to lebanese people and his country the destruction on that country will be even greater than 2006 and then what they expect so mikati trying to actually try to save his country i understand but hezbollah is playing another game and hezbollah actually careless about the lebanese people and lebanon and he just cares about the ayatullah ali khamenei in iran and the islamic revolution orders if it's if their interests they will launch a attack according to their orders and not according to mikati and what he says and shadi i mean we saw a hit in kyria shaman to take a direct hit from a missile last night thankfully nobody was hurt and but we have been seeing an escalation haven't we in the north in recent days do you agree with the way the idf has been responding so far well let me tell you i am i was myself an officer in the idf i was paratrooper major and idf and i served in that actually south and lebanese security zone before we withdrew from there in 1996 1997 and believe me that when you are in the ground is not the same like you are in the sitting in your home or in the at tv speaking and trying to translate so i i i trust the idf knows exactly what we need to do and i hope that this time they learn that we have an enemy that even it's a greater monster than hamas in the south and that at the end this enemy should be eliminated how i trust the idf knows the answer and the timing of this incident and how it should be treated all right well shadi stay with us i want to bring in doha navital um hezbollah an even worse monster than hamas um if that is even possible um but are you worried about the escalation of capabilities there's no question this is a mighty enemy that we know well we fought with him in 2006 and i think right now our strategy in the north works well because we even have the upper hand and we showed that we react to every provocation and it seemed that right now they don't have the inclination to to escalate but this can change in a minute and of course we are very much wait for any we wait and see whether some threshold would be crossed and then we'll operate the full force that we have this is the tragedy it works and until now and i think this is going forward i must i must say that shadi khaldur is a good friend of mine first second yeah he's a good friend hi shadi if you are still with us uh anyway just to emphasize something i mean many some of the viewers do not know he's not even jewish he's not even jewish and and we have many soldiers and officers like him muslims arabs they are part of us and and we have a common enemy we have a common help from the hezbollah in the north from the south with hamas and i guess many of them not all of them maybe but many of them do understand now more than before that we really we are in the same boat jews and arabs in israel yes it's a jewish state but with full rights to whoever is not jewish and and we have to bear it in mind and this is exactly what the hamas and the hezbollah are against they are against this kind of cooperation they are against this kind of coexistence and we have to fight for our democratic values that they do not accept and and i hope we will succeed and and shadi khaldur is a good example of what israel should be there you are shadi i don't know if you heard that good friend of yours here in the studio with us bendria many actually i miss him so much since this war we couldn't be able to speak but i want to tell you that as a maronite christian and aramaic israeli citizen i have another community that the same people live in the northern side of the border and it is maronites in central mountains of libanon and actually so close to the libanese israeli border from the other side and they suffer from hezbollah and they are actually taking hostages by hezbollah and used as a human shield today and we know some reports about how hezbollah is using them actually actually they came to their homes and sitting in their homes and firing rockets and missiles and anti-tank missiles toward israeli forces in order to they knowing that the israeli army will respond to the source of fires and destroy christian homes in libanon and then the word will know in the news this propaganda that israeli also attacking christians and not aiming to attack only hezbollah and chiya terrorists of hezbollah so this is something that israeli should be aware of and also i call all my christian maronite people in libanon that count around one million people in libanon if you see hezbollah coming to your area don't let them in because you will be actually attacked by our forces in israel not because of you but because of hezbollah and we in if war will be escalated we will eliminate this hezbollah monster and i ask all of you not to collaborate and cooperate with this enemy and monster yeah we know that that's the strategy of terrorist groups isn't it to embed themselves uh among civilians we've seen it in gaza we're seeing it in lebanon as well just briefly shani do you think that the uh that hezbollah was expecting such a strong response from the united states well i think the united states didn't bring all these forces here for nothing in case and and biden president biden they say that they clearly clearly and warn them don't and he said this word three times don't don't don't so if hezbollah and with the iranian chiya proxies in this region include iranian themselves will dare to attack israel and combine this what we call unification of friends and attack israel at once i think the us army will protect israel and together with the idf will act together against this actually enemy in order to prevent israel from having a greater damage in our community this is why why they are here it's a kind of deterrence now and hopefully we won't have this full escalation war but this is hopefully but i wish that we will eliminate this force and without a war a full-scale war we will not be able to eliminate this enemy and people will not return to their homes here in the northern borders communities because they fear this monster will wake up one day and will they will find them like another september 7 in the north shadi thank you very very much indeed we appreciate it as always shadi khalal there at alma thank you so much thank you well let's remind you of the good news that we have had this hour the idf has managed to rescue a captured israeli soldier who was kidnapped by hamas terrorists on october 7 her name is ori magidish she's been rescued she's the first hostage to have been rescued by the idf soldiers have been going into gaza nightly for the past few nights she's been medically examined she's in good health good condition and she has met with her family so there she is the first hostage to be freed by israel ori magidish was rescued during a ground operation into gaza she is now safe sound back in israel with her family 237 hostages remain in gaza the idf and the shinbet say they will continue to make every effort to bring them all home but ori magidish good news she's back home tonight well the united nation security council is set to hold an emergency meeting tonight on gaza it's at the request of the united arab emirates abu dhabi is seeking a binding resolution demanding that israel accept a humanitarian pause to the fighting the ua e is an ally of israel it's also one of the only arab states to have condemned hamas and to have demanded an immediate return to the hostages we're joining us now from abu dhabi lawi al-sharif is a peace activist and an expert in arab-israeli relations good to have you with us lawi it's been a while good to see you again and the ua e as i as i pointed out is one of israel's strongest allies in the region um it's no secret though this war has put a strain on israel's um partnerships in the region talk us through the ua e starts so the you uh first of all hello laura um i hope for you and the people of israel are holding up and uh i hope that this war ends the right way with the end of what's really started this war so i just want to say that the ue stands the official stance of the ua e is um working towards a humanitarian ceasefire a ceasefire that would allow humanitarian aid into gaza um the um the official stance of the ua e laura is to help the palestinians as people and differentiate between palestinian as people and hamas now you have to know that there is a big campaign happening in the ua e called in arabic tarahum and agil gaza or sympathize with gaza were uh hundreds of of the citizens and residents contribute to send humanitarian aid to the people of gaza but don't forget laura that it's the only arab state that explicitly condemned hamas for its barbaric and heinous crimes on october 7th and this is why i always have to tell my israeli and and western friends to manage their expectations when it comes to the when it comes to the ua e so you have to know that uh it shows great support for the palestinian people it said the uh her excellency lima hashin from minister of foreign affairs she said that uh the ua e stands with the palestinian people stand with the palestinian cause and reject the collective punishment on the people of gaza at the same time the ua e condemns and and calls the crimes calls what hamas did on october 7th heinous and barbaric crimes and this is something that is unique when it comes to the absolutely well and of course um israel fully supports efforts to get humanitarian aid to the innocent civilians in gaza israel's uh concern is when it comes to aid falling into the hands of the of the hamas terrorists so certainly no one would criticize the ua e for for being at the forefront of of of raising uh aid efforts um but what do you think longer term lawy do you think that this will inevitably harm cooperation uh between the ua e and israel i don't think so i i think in the long run when this war ends inshallah everything will reconcile the arab and israeli relations will reconcile muslim and jewish relations will reconcile um you know you know laura people deep down uh decision makers and people who are wise enough in the gulf they know that this war is ugly this war is unnecessary this war could have been avoided this war sparked when um hamas militants uh broke into israel mass murdered 1400 uh innocent people and civilians and to be very honest this war uh wasn't really there is no purpose for this war and and if you if you noticed laura um a couple of weeks before this war a couple of days even for this war saudi arabia was talking about normalizing relations with israel and the crown prince was talking about bringing uh uh concessions to the palestinians so everyone was working towards uh a betterment uh for the palestinians but unfortunately hamas blew it up i personally believe that the two state solution is is dead its death certificate was signed on october seven that's my personal opinion but i believe in the long run when this war ends things will reconcile in the middle east because the future of this region laura the future of our region is stability thriving and prosperity and we cannot allow those who believe in in that should win our loving one not win and laura of course you've always been an advocate for cooperation between jews and muslims uh you speak arabic and hebrew of course you you know you you've read uh so much about these you really are a scholar on on jewish and uh islamic history and we've seen a real spike in anti-semitic incidents and attacks around the world and what do you think can be done about that particularly in the arab world very unfortunate but what needs to be done about it is education you need to teach people more about the commonalities between jews and muslims i always say this laura by the way i understand where these people come from because one day i was in their shoe i was raised this way to be anti- jewish anti-semitic or standing against the jews but you know when when you get to know the jews when you get to know judiism when you when you educate yourself you would really change so education is the key education is a very important thing to to play and now the at this difficult time at war people are on the edge they don't really want to accept hearing this or that so let's just hope that when this war ends inshallah ends the right way ends in a way that october 7th couldn't uh wouldn't be repeated ends in a way that would bring peace and calm to the region ends in a way that arabs and israelis build this region together and muslims and jews and christians and other minorities also build this region together inshallah i believe with education we can change people's hearts and minds and peace will prevail laura i'm very optimistic i know it's very it's very hard to say this in this tough time but i'm very optimistic and uh and in this tough time laura if we don't speak up the truth if we don't stand against the power of darkness if we don't stand with the power of light then we don't have the right to speak in the easy times we speak in the difficult times it's not about standing with israel it's about standing with humanity versus extremism fundamentalism and terrorism well i meant to that lawy wise words as always we appreciate it thank you so much lawy al-sharif there um we could not say you were you were very much on the same page yeah yeah because i know i have a lot of a lot of friends from uh bahrain from uh the amirates and yes we hear a lot of voices like that i mean and they sometimes you see the israeli flag something was that you cannot see not in egypt and not in jordan and yes there is a change in the airport i hope i hope hamas will not change it that's okay let's talk about the soldier then because this is big news isn't it ori maghadeesh um a young female soldier has been rescued by the idf after she was kidnapped by hamas terrorists and held in gaza uh dawn this is the first time hostages are great news and i think it's also an indication that the way we spelled out the strategy of the idea really proves itself in the meantime i mean inching in into gaza gathering intelligence because you have to understand that those hostages will be in different localities even under different organizations so whenever in a military force would find some such locality with some special forces that i'm sure accompany those uh those unit that are entering into gaza we have a chance either by negotiation or by fighting get the hostages out so this is one thing i think even bibin ethania indicated it in his press conference this is an indication that the two aims of the war can be simultaneously uh followed and this is good news i hope more to come right because there has been an argument hasn't there that uh that one excludes the other the the fighting has to hold um and allowing uh hamas to release the hostages they obviously have been calling for that but it looks like israel wants to do it on their terms i think this evening at seven o'clock they're supposed to convene in a way even to demonstrate against the ground invasion i guess i guess that what happened today with this kind of release of one hostage it's a kind of you see we were right i mean the government is going to tell them you see we were right the ground invasion uh maybe just maybe is the best way in order to free the hostages so our heart is with the families needless to say but in between ground invasion and ceasefire that maybe will enable a kind of negotiation uh i i think that the ceasefire the demand of the hamas for a ceasefire it's only in order to escape japanese but yeah yeah so we we do exert pressure on hamas on the way to negotiate a negotiation offering the hostages by force but it's important has to be in tandem and the two missions are right now working in tandem this is a good indication and that's all for more right because i mean when you see night after night the extent of the the bombing that's been done in northern gaza i mean a lot of people have been very fearful you know our hostages are in there exactly i think and this way intelligence is so crucial because if you know where are the tunnels and we know where to hit and i think the idea really the idea i want to i mentioned it a few times appointed the general whose mission is only this and one of the best generals we have the hostages the intelligence gathering the following up with them the special unit that might work with the major forces i think there's a whole plan underneath the the strategy of the idea and i hope it will pay off getting a young soldier out who who apparently wasn't injured at all um will be a completely different story to rescuing some of the elderly children babies yeah maybe she was held also by some family or by some civilians you don't know who who was holding her because we know that there were people were kidnapped by different organizations even by civilians so they are scattered so we have to really follow up the lead and this is a great story that's the the first bit of good news we've had in a while isn't it certainly will be good for morale as well which is very important for what is this it is it is important it is important and and just to emphasize that for us for us for Israel human lives are highly important i mean i mean this is it and it doesn't mean that uh that we don't care about human lives of others of the people of Gaza we do care we do care that's why we are against the Hamas and just as the guy from the Emirates said we have to really distinguish between the Hamas and the people of Gaza we have nothing against the people of Gaza we have a lot against the Hamas i hope the good sometimes good sign in the battlefield indicates the future let's hope this is the good sign and let's hope our strategy works well i think when we look at retrospect the way we didn't preempt a strike in the north was a good move we are preparing not to strike in the north you know exactly that we balance our forces we show the hezbollah our hand and then the way we move to the next phase shows itself we have to be just very careful in the way we use the fire because and and we're very careful about the window of operation that might be open in terms of our the alliance behind us but in the meantime we're working in a good way yeah because israel really has to keep many plates in the air at this time the diplomatic window as we've talked about the hostages and even talking about climate if the winter enters there's a lot of consideration military operation is very complicated in terms of it sounds absurd but in terms of the weather what kind of weather conditions favors israel for example sight i mean because we have to be in sync with the the air force the artillery the the so you don't want to foggy you don't want the fire that comes from the sea the fire that comes from the sea the intelligence gathering there's a whole thing that you the weather weather is one of us as we know the rain the rain will be upon us soon when of course it's not good for every military it's not good for the for the israeli general weather of course going into the winter is not good for the idea it's not good for the enemy either if they're intolerant but they are they live within their surroundings so they have the better understanding of where they are i think we better complete this operation before the winter ends as we all know napoleon really lost his mission in live in in moscow so weather weather plays a crucial role so we would like the rain to stay away for now all right well good news is our orimagiti


Hello, and so a little bit delayed, but I kind of start my presentation after having achieved HDMI input to the projector and My name is Evin Koalos. I'm involved in the GIMP project and And my initial education was in fine art I went to art school in a place in Spain called Cancerat where we last year had Wilbur week as we called it week-long meeting of the GIMP developers on a Masia in Catalonia and And when it comes to color, which is a private thing this presentation is about even before I went to art school I was rather deeply immersed in it because my father was a machine repair technician for Norway's largest paint manufacturer who Offers this wide spread of colors available for all interior paint colors that you would use inside your house But these were not colors that you they wouldn't have One liter and three liter and ten liter buckets of all those quite a few thousand colors In each color shop in paint shops, they would have a set of I believe it was six base colors and then they had pure pigments in a Water solution that got mixed in and they had recipe books of how to generate all these colors It's similar to a Pantone kind of swatch system whereas these fans are Another system called the natural color system, which is common in Scandinavia In Germany, there's another system which has used on some metallic paints from the same manufacturer This is called the roll, which is common for such color matching So I grew up since I was nine ten years old in a household where there are rather hardcore color signs teaching books and similar and The actual thing I want to talk about today is how you can match colors for printing and This is book for painters printed in 1725 about How as a painter you can Reduce coloring to mechanical practice what we would call an algorithm today So it is a book that Has color illustrations This is an example of a painter's color palette in a book printed in 1725 And this is an example of the pictures that this J.C. Leblanc Has so this is a full color the result he wanted to illustrate and The illustrations in this book they actually are explaining for a painter how to do things but the interesting thing is that he actually had full color illustrations of both of both the palette and this thing and and What he actually did was that he invented four color printing basically and He didn't use Simon Gent and yellow. He used red blue and yellow and Also added black for Additional color and and It is one of the kind of earlier of kind of painters color science books that actually kind of gets things much more, right? he praises Isaac Newton if you see the last line about paragraph and And he understood the differences between additive and subtractive color mixing Whereas even when I went to art school back in the late 90s the color science We got which is items color science is not really how color works, but it's Thinking about how it might be working so Isaac Newton Made a discovery that when you pass light through a prism it splits into colors and What happens when this light goes into the prison is that we take energy distribution on many different frequencies and we spread it apart we get the rainbow and the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum is only a small part and On the sides of the visual Parts we have ultraviolet light and infrared light, but also microwaves and radio waves and And X-rays are part of the exact same physical phenomenon It's just that our visual system is only attuned to a small part of it other animals are attuned to other parts and To show yet another kind of illustration on top of the spectrum I'm going to be showing quite a few this type illustrations This is the energy distribution of daylight In the northern hemisphere is also known as the d65 illuminant So this is how the combination of like the Sun and the Sky which illuminates things when we are outdoors. This is the total amount of energy there is and An interesting question is what is color at all and Quite a few people they come to the conclusion that color is a subjective experience and it only exists in the minds of humans and and After having gone to art school and up in the University in Norway that just around that time was starting up in the region color laboratory and There Focus was on printing and Something that is known as colorimetry and colorimetry is the study of color as it is perceived by humans and One central part of that is this and this shows which part of the visible range of light We are sensitive to in that perceiving it as luminance, but I co-bride something is and It's in the middle of the spectrum where Small amount of energy would give the same as a high amount of energy On lower or higher wavelengths and But the way our vision system works is also quite strange and interesting because These spectrums we get we don't actually really sense them we we get some Three-dimensional value kind of like almost like RGB ends up going into our visual cortex these illustrations show the spectral distribution of primaries of different types of displays and monitors and And if you have a laser-based projector, you have this very narrow spikes on very specific wavelengths whereas CRT screens with phosphors you have this much wider spread functions and And in the end you can show images on these screens and you calibrate the screens and you get the perception that they are the same and in studying how and how to achieve that consistency and We've been or humans have been studying on all our own visual visual system since the early 1900s it kind of in detail and in 1931 a Standard called CIE XY set was developed and This was done by studying how using a Red light green light in the blue light Ideally with very narrow spectrums similar to the laser projector If it was possible to mix the colors of the rainbow so one would start out at 400 nanometers and Generate a spectral light monochromatic light of that blue color who knows the spectrum distribution and then then we'd have people trying to use faders to adjust a Red light a green light and a blue light and match the color you have and One went through the entire spectrum to create such matches It turns out that there are some colors that one could not match but one had those three red green and blue and But it was a workaround a hack one could use when you use the split screen And you had the spectrum color on one side and then you were mixing red green and blue lights But then you couldn't achieve the color you allowed to add colors also on the side with the spectral light source and That was considered to be a negative amount of light to achieve the mixture So this graph shows the CIE RGB 1931 color space. So that is the Each of these curves show how high each of those faders for the red green and blue lights needed to be to match each wavelength and Both the red and the green and the blue go slightly below for some wavelength and People didn't like this. This is 1931. We don't have computers Computations are done with slide rules and negative numbers are difficult So what create the distance that so this is CIE RGB and this is CIE XYZ and what one did to create this space is that one decided that it would be nice if One of the components of the color space was exactly the same as this So this is kind of like how sensitive whole luminous we consider something to be so they took the three-dimensional RGB space and Rotated and scaled it using a fine transform until they achieved these response curves instead and if you integrate an Emission spectra or a reflectance of a surface Over these curves the result you get out is XYZ This is yet another similar RGB space and But this is the short medium and long wavelength response functions and these response to the Kind of RGB colors which are on the retina of the eye Neither these functions nor these actually have it do the retina they have to do those color matching experiments So these are kind of the spectral sensitivities of the retina This is not sufficient for doing the full model of the human visual system because the lens Also changes the color you perceive and the color of the lens even changes as we age So the color perception is actually gradually changing as a human gets older Quite a few years ago I present this more lightning talk at LGM where I was playing around with spectral mixing of colors and That was the thing I wanted to talk about here today as well and For me, this is kind of one thing I've been playing with in kind of returning to play around with drawing and art things This is a drawing where I've done a cheap separation to Cyanish blue green and black and generated This separation plates and then I've drawn those separation plates by hand in with cross hatching And this is another example of an image where I've used red and green ink and the fun thing with red and green in the subtractive mixing is that red and green and basically becomes black so You get a quite wide range of colors from just mixing two separate colors Me when you do mixing of just lights which you're pointing and That you do on computers or GB you have what you call additive color And if you were to do additive color with spectra, you would just sum them together. So You have what we actually have here is a blue at the top and a yellow and light source But this is actually how it ends up in subtractive mixing and in subtractive mixing You take a vague wavelengths and color when you mix so the more you mix you go closer to black more more get absorbed What could even imagine that this curtain? And in some sense as that the color only exists in our mind But if you will say that this actually had the color it would be every color with this Burgundy red color here because the light hits it and the light that sticks into it are only the wavelengths which are a reddish and Or rather the only thing was reflected are the burgundy reddish ones. So the curtain itself and Is all the other colors because it absorbs those wavelengths. So I'm gonna show a demo of this separation engine and Illustrates kind of get some custom separations done on the fly. So I have a little scripting language and This spectral color simulation I Initially call them inks I had there but that's not strictly true because I try to actually model how both ink or paints or similar types of coats would behave So I can both specify an RGB triplet or directly a color and Or I could even write out a full spectrum saying starting at this wavelength with gaps of this size and then list all the spectral measurements and Well, I'm gonna replace that with cyan dark magenta, these are spectral measurements that have been done and yellow and it It doesn't get to the full RGB image back it gets slightly Dissaturated and I was quite happy when that ended up being the case because that means I'm doing things quite right but more interesting might be to Not go side magenta, then I failed to actually print properly But to do the example I mentioned to have red and green and To me that is a quite good result for red and green. I would like to ask are there any color deficient people in the room? Color blind color deficient Normally when there's many designers, there's some of them at least amongst open-source designers And not going to mention names But for people who actually Are color deficient The most common one there the red green type of color deficiency. They find this to be Nice color image if you use yellow or orange ish and blue for mixing as to Complementary base colors and the pellets you can create with those which is quite wide range of pellets as well Those they say yeah, that's colorful, but if you do the thing I did first with Red and green I've asked this to someone actually is color deficient and he says that just looks a very desaturated image It's Not good at all, but the blue and yellow blue orange is like yeah, that's a color image So yeah you for Color deficient people it turns out you don't need three or four color printing two might be enough But those observations is also something if we're to actually design pellets for use in something One can kind of use the knowledge that Gradients from the gray axis towards blue and yellow. That is something that 95% or more population can easily perceive So this thing I'm doing here, I'm gonna come back to that the experiments here It's got like my kind of attempt of doing this It's got a debate in pole of learning by doing or in the programmers case learning by coding I don't really understand how something works until I try to implement it and Figure out what about the gaps in my understanding are But things you can do when you Specify colors in this way and you generate more custom things is that one could also imagine to create a t-shirt Which maybe was green so we say we had a green substrate and then we want to have a Print white on it, but a I Have two things there It's just code one equals white and code one black equals and that's RG C O C O C O which is black But I'm gonna say that the first coat and Is white if you draw it on white, but if you draw it on black, it's also going to be white And then I'm gonna add a final layer of black and What this does is that it? generates two inks And and imagine that you have like a green t-shirt 30 than abs white to create the highlights and then create black and I can say that I don't want to separate and proof I just want to oh wait. Let's do separate and proof. So I That is what it will print in white and that is what it will print in black or just a separation as kind of plates it generates those two a starting points for and and This type of Proofing is something that would be useful in GIMP or inkscape or similar applications For simulating printing on such things, but I'm not sure if my code is what one should use there. I'm gonna come back to Developments that have happened since I was playing with this Before the LGM in Leipzig. I Also had one more version of that And separation operation that instead of Doing the inputs as a script only has sliders for doing it. So if we But this is something that doesn't really do the true thing because it Generates the spectral measurements of the color based on the RGB triplet and And at least the way I'm currently doing it I'm almost doing like the color matching experiments. I have a Rather wide band red green and blue components of a scale and I have made sure that I end up with the correct color values out the thing that we use for printing in the world mostly is ICCv4 and that's doing Colorimetric color management and colorimetric color management is only based on these Three-dimensional RGB things and doesn't take the spectral thing into account. So it says that a human perceives it as being the same There's extensions to ICCv4 called ICC Max. ICC Max Goes beyond colorimetry It allows spectral measurements of spot colors But it also allows you for for simulating metallic inks and it allows things like Colors that look different depending on the angle you hold the paper something on its goniometry and And the goal is to do all the things that they know about light and color And push the envelope as far as possible It's a playground for color scientists, but the industry has also started adopting things so the most important thing is CXX CXF X-4 which is an ISO standard for exchanging spot color measurement data and I just want to show my current way of storing colors. I store them the same way that I store the spectrums but it's I have this long Lists of numbers Starting out with the starting nanometers the gap between the spectral bands measured a scaling factor for all of them Not really necessary and then all the spectral measurements CXXF-4 is Exactly the same data, but wrapped up in X-Mouth file format and The first time I stumbled across it. I was quite happy Because I discovered that the measurements that are needed for the full spectral characterization is Printing the color on both white background and black background Which is the kind of the basis of how I was doing my experiments in simulation as well, which means that At some point if I end up using spectral measurements I would be able to feed in the ISO standard way of measuring spot colors into the engine and The full standard goes beyond just having this solid color printed on white and black you also print the a Gradient a ramp of the color to have a transfer response curve and Tell by gamma function or a dot density So you measure measure the spectra of both just a paper and 10% 20% 30% until you have full coverage of ink both on a white background and a black background There is simpler versions of the spectral characterization where you either only have the solid printed on white or Only the ramp on white, but having a full behavior of how the color behaves You need to have almost all these measurements. This is many more measurements than you do with the color of metric isa cv4 But you are able to predict a lot when you do this The thing I compute when I have this information is that I figure out whether the colors behave more like inks or more like paints for each individual wavelength and Then I do one computation for this is how it would be if it was pure inks And this is how it would be if it was paint and then I do a weight between them depending on that computation This is another thing I've been playing with which is Printing roster images with plotters And for those experiments I was also doing very simple color measurements But I didn't kind of pull it far enough to get something else very happy with This is one actually the only color print I've tried I've I'm traveling around too much and I haven't been in the space with my 3d normal 2d drawing machine Since January The code for my engine for playing with this which is quite compact C is on my github and I've decided to call the project for loose flight Spanish for light and On my website there is a gallery of an earlier run of this color simulation project and I'm going to update the results there with how it currently generates results and But I think I should open up for questions maybe It's a you find it both in the Library of Congress in the US and you find it in the French National Library It has been scammed the scammed version in the Library of Congress is bad because Half of the illustrations are missing you have to fold them out And they have just scanned the pages without holding out the illustrations but the one in the National Library of France you can get the PDF of it and it's an interesting book in that Okay, you want the photo of it on the front page It's interesting this is English Okay, you have characters are not used to anymore even in English. It's readable, but it is Bilingual it's printed in both French and in English so it's a book with red yellow blue black four-color printing bilingual from 1725 and This JC Leblanc is basically considered to be the inventor of the four-color process and it's kind of an Oddity that the subject is that he writes a book for painters on kind of like a More proper color theory, but he's doing magic himself and creating full-color illustrations He was doing it in Mesosint. So he was engraving the plates manually in Mesosint, and it's basically equivalent to half toning For the experiments I had to get my own sources and it was measurements I got from a former colleague of mine at the ColourLab in Norway and I also Found some other measurements here and there that I copied in the data for the CI XYZ response functions and similar you find on The international color consortium's own pages you have the measurements But there's also another source of spectral data, which is the Freya Farbe They have those spectral measurements of all of their test prints of LAB. I think they have done ink separation and I think they printed them and then measured them again But yeah, they're spec spectral measurements of those colors, but they for each Sealab or CLCH color. There are many spectral curves, which would give you the same Perception of them. So this is just an example of one at least plausible achievable spectrum that would yield those colors and I think it would be more interesting to Add the ability to Work on arbitrary combinations of colors and There's one thing that I forgot to stick in the slides and that is that this ICC max. I should I jump to a web page What was it called again? Yeah For ICC v4 It was kind of the compromise between people in industry of how much they wanted to collaborate and get to get color management even working And but for ICC max the international color consortium actually has made an open source Project, which also contains an engine for doing Similar things to what I was doing in GIMP Simulation of spot colors and they go much further than what I'm doing. They do include the things about metallic inks and and the Goniometry the angle that you hold the measurement and The goals for them is to be able to do packaging designs say beer cans Where you have a metal surface and you have then inks on top of it and to create 3d model soft proofs So you can see how it changes in the shine as you move it in your hand So you could simulate the whole printing process Without actually doing test runs and test runs and test runs I've looked at it New of this year is that kayuva barman, which some of you know of has added CMake Build files, so it's possible to build it an early nooks now. It used to only build under windows and on the Mac Okay


I noticed that your wrist tattoo matches the same font on your glove. Yeah, so I got this in after the 2021 season, just kind of went for it, honestly. And the glove is suede by 44. They had the Nasty Nestor patch in there, specialized just for me. They did this during the All-Star game, and they kind of just kept it and ran with it. Every glove has this on, so I'm super excited about that. The webbing, it's like simulating a baseball. That's pretty cool, I feel like. And then obviously, Hylia Kidd, because I'm from Hylia, and that was my nickname I put during one of the player weekends back in 2019. So they've also said that, and then I got 65 stamped in there as my baseball number. So leather is pretty good, I love this glove. I've actually, they sent me two of these, so I'll be using this all season. Is it your favorite? One of my favorites. I have a couple favorites, but this is definitely out there. Why suede? Good question. I used the suede in 2021, and I loved how it fell throughout the whole year. And I kind of told them that I wanted to feel the suede again. They don't make the navy blue suede, which is what I want. They told me they were working on it, so hopefully 44 can make that happen for me. Alright, thanks Esther.


Hey everybody, welcome back to my Star Wars channel. My name is David, and today we're going to look at the Dia Dostini build your own X-Wing build. R2, that stabilizer is broken loose again. See if you can't lock it down. Hey, welcome back to the channel. Thanks for being here. Wow, a ton of stuff has happened, right? A ton of stuff has happened. The Mandalorian season ended. All the Disney parks have closed because of the coronavirus, and I think a lot of people that were planning to go to Galaxy's Edge are broken, right?  But the good news is, right, this will pass. This will totally pass, and we'll all eventually go. We'll all see it. So our thoughts and prayers are with everybody. That's just going through this right now, and everybody that's in the medical profession probably saw that they announced that Ahsoka, her character is going to be in Mandalorian season two, and saw that a lot of fans of Ashley Eckstein were upset that they didn't use her as the character. I understand. I can understand. But you know, we got to respect the people down at Mandalorian. They know what they're doing, right? That's a great, great season. I wanted to revisit my X-Wing build, and if you didn't watch the first one, my brother gifted me this, which is crazy because, I mean, it's a huge, huge gift. So a huge thanks to Patrick for this, and he asked me if I wanted a box every single month, or if I wanted to save up, you know, a several months' worth, and they would arrive in one box, and I chose the second. So when I get a little white box, it's filled with maybe five months' worth of build parts. So I'm not just sitting there building, you know, six parts, and then I'm done for an entire month. I get a box, and I actually get to sit down for an hour or two at a build. But then the flip side of it is, you know, you get a box, and you're like, ah, I have to build for an hour, or however long it's going to take me. So I've been taking some pictures, taking some progress shots. Obviously, it's not the typical over-the-shoulder, you watch everything and fast-forward while I narrate it, that kind of thing. I'm just showing you, this is just a highlight reel, right? This is just a highlight reel. This is just to inform you how the build's going, and to give you a little bit of idea as to what goes into some of these builds, if you were to build your own, right? Build your own. So we're going to cut over to that footage, and I'll just kind of walk you through day one. So we can start by looking at the instructions that come with the builds. As you can see, the very first box had eight months, or eight issues worth inside.  The insides are beautiful, tons of graphics. The first packages were in these little sealed boxes like this, and they haven't come like this since. So doing the canopy for the X-Wing, this is the shell of it, and I haven't put it together yet. There's no glass. There's really nothing else besides this. I kind of balanced it together just so that you could see what it would look like. I should have put an action figure in there though, just to show you like the scale of it. I'll show it to you compared to my son's X-Wing toy. So this is a normal, you know, X-Wing that you would put a figure in, so you can see how it would look. So the next couple of months, or the next couple of issues, came in these little bags, and that's kind of how everything has come since then. The next thing after the cockpit was one wing. So this is just the underside of a single wing. And just to let you know, I'm not even done now. Putting the gun together, it does light up with LED. There's a little battery tester. That's what that box is up there. But as you can see, the red LED was bleeding through, and I did not like that. They even said in the instructions like, it might be bleeding through. Well, it did. And I didn't want it to bleed through in the final build. So I took it all apart and spray painted what I could black. So the inside, and I probably shouldn't have used spray paint. Just letting you know, you probably should use model paint because it's a little thicker. So after building, this is what I had. Not the gun almost finished, parts of R2-D2, the underside of the cockpit and the cockpit. Here's a little piece that was giving me some trouble. This was the decoration on the side of the wing. I couldn't figure out how to push it down with my own thumb. So I used the edge of a pair of pliers, and it was the right size, and it was rubbery. So it didn't, you know, it wasn't metal tipped, so it wouldn't break the model, and I just pushed really hard. Here, I've just balanced the gun on the wing just to kind of give you a scale of how big this is going to be. The next month, I'll be doing the engine. And here's a little video footage of just the length of the gun compared to a gun on a toy. So as you can see, this is going to be massive. I can't imagine where this is going to go in my house. I really can't. The wire sticking out of it, that's the LED lead. So that'll have to all get plugged into something, right? There'll have to be batteries in this. So here's my R2. He was not fun to build. Lots of small parts. Had to put all the little clear pieces in his skull in, so that was a lot of fun. But they light up. So again, testing him. Again, he's bleeding through. The light's bleeding through. Probably should have painted the inside of his body with some white testers paint just to keep that from happening. And put everything back in a box. And I'm going to wait for next month's shipment and put all that together for you as well. All right. So that was my day one build. How do you like it so far? What do you think? This thing is going to be massive, I think. This is going to be massive. I don't even... I think my problem now is... Well, I don't know. It's not my problem now, but it's my problem in the future. Where is this going to go? Do you remember the old school days of Disneyland and going to Space Mountain? When you went through the line and you went upstairs and you were standing on the roof of the theater, you were able to look over into the other building to the arcade and they had an X-wing, like a one-third scale X-wing, tied to the ceiling. That's probably what I'm going to have to do. This thing is going to be so big I'm going to have to tie it to my ceiling somehow. I don't know. Hey, thanks for watching guys. May the force be with you. I'll see you next time. Bye.