Hey guys, it's Drew with GeoArm and I am back to talk to you about the 2GIG Edge and the 2GIG E-Series flood and temperature detector. This is a pretty cool part because it's a multi-loop device. Super easy to install. And by the way, the part number on this is 2GIG-FT6E-345. Once again, this is the actual flood detector. It's got little probes down here. So what we're going to do is we're going to actually learn this in in this video as a Flood detector. So we'll go ahead and we'll get that going first here. What you want to do is you want to get yourself into programming by pressing the little gear button in the bottom right hand corner and entering your installer code, which should be 1561 if it's still factory. Okay, once you're in programming, you need to scroll down and go to installer toolbox. Once the new menu pops up, you're going to click panel programming. And then on the new menu that pops up, you're going to click wireless zones. Once you're in this menu, you're going to go ahead and choose whichever the next available wireless zone is for you. In this case, this is a fresh panel, so I'm going to be using zone one. So we'll go ahead and we'll click edit zone. Now for the equipment code for the flood detector, it was the, let's see here. 2065 for the E-Series flood detection device. So 2065 is the equipment code. Once you've got that entered in there, you press the down arrow, it'll bring you to sensor type. So in this case, we're going to go ahead and choose a 24 hour auxiliary, which means that it's going to be monitoring this zone 24 hours a day for that flood detection. Press the down arrow. It's going to ask you what you want to program this in as. So like I said, we're going to be doing a flood detector. So we'll set it as water. And then we'll go ahead and hit the down arrow. At that point, they want us to go ahead and learn the sensor in. Now this sensor is pretty cool to learn in. It's got three little probes on the bottom, gold probes. So what you're going to do is you're going to hit learn. And then you're going to press all three of those probes down at the same time. As you can see, the number pops up. You're going to go ahead and hit accept after you've confirmed that that is in fact your serial number. Now for the flood detection, that is going to be on loop one. So we're going to go ahead and leave that after pressing the down arrow. It'll ask you for it, of course. Hit the down arrow again, because it is on loop one. At this point, it's going to ask you to enter a voice descriptor. Go ahead and hit edit voice descriptor. We'll call this basement. So you'll see basement pop up, click basement, and then we'll say flood and then click flood. It's done. Now we have our voice descriptor. You don't really need a chime on this. Go ahead and press the down arrow again, by the way. It's going to ask you if you want to put a chime. You don't need a chime on this. This is going to be for the next after you press a down arrow, it's going to ask you for your smart areas assignment, which is basically a partition. Just asking you where you want to assign this.  It's going to ask you if you want to transmission delay on this. It's asking if you want an additional delay beyond the initial delay in order for this thing to transmit to the central station. I would typically say no in that regard unless it's a troublesome device or one you know you can take a little more time on. Sensor reports after you press a down arrow, they should be enabled because you do want it to report to the central station. And then press the down arrow. Finally, sensor supervised. You do want it supervised because that means that this device is going to be checking back in with the actual panel itself to tell it that it's all right. At this point, we are good to go. So what you would do is you would just go ahead and hit the back arrow. Hit the back arrow again. All the way out of programming, keep hitting the back arrow till you're at the home screen. At this point, you're ready to get this device tested. If you guys have any questions or any comments, please leave them below. Take care. Make sure to subscribe to our YouTube page and click the show more tab underneath the video where you can view valuable links pertaining to this product, similar how-to videos, and our low-cost no-contract alarm monitoring services.


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This coming Saturday May 6th at 10 a.m. We're gonna be doing a ribbon-cutting at All-Star Field. We're gonna be unveiling our new restroom facility. We're very excited for the community because they're very excited for the citizens of the community and our goal is to unveil the restroom facility but also to have a collaboration with Servant Connect and to include our Columbia Police Department for a kickball game. So we're gonna invite some of the kids from the community. It's going to be a host of fun with our council members, our mayor potentially. So we're just excited about this opportunity. Again that's going to be on this Saturday May 6th at 10 a.m. and All-Star Field of course is located behind North Point of States. It's all for Lester Drive. So we're excited about participation. We're excited for our children and looking forward to seeing everyone there.


So you know Kershaw is back and that's great news and we've been hearing all about his velocity and we know it's diminished we understand that but what do you really expect now from him going forward Mark? Well you look at Clayton Kershaw it may be the back half of his career and not the Cy Young Award guy because he's gone through a lot of injuries and if Clayton Kershaw tonight is going to be good he's going to you're gonna have to look for his secondary stuff and it has a lot to do with that slider the slider is what he gave the home run up to Yasio Pueg it's not that finish he didn't have spring training this year so you're wondering if that's gonna be there we've seen a good curveball but you're wondering if Kershaw is that same guy anymore because of all of those injuries because of not having spring training. I worry about Clayton because of all of the bullets that he's thrown but this is a guy that's always relied on four pitch mix and if he didn't have one that night he still could dominate a lineup. Well Mrs. spring training is big for a starting pitch of his caliber but one thing about him he has the ability to pitch and pitch at a high level and you said he mixes four pitches now when he's at his best he had two pitches basically to get you out and now he's pitching with four pitches I don't worry about Clayton Kershaw because he's gonna find a way to get it done. If you think about the injury history that you that you have with Clayton Kershaw a lot of its back and then he so many times he's been through there the shoulder the bicep two back DLs and now the shoulder too much injury and plus they they ended up serving up that contract to him last year. For Clayton Kershaw I think the comp is a Zach Grenke. If you look at Zach Grenke that velocities dip down the differentials are very similar to the secondary stuff with the fastball so it makes it a little bit easier for the offensive guys to make those adjustments against how much easier Frank if you're taking if you this fastball is at 89 it's sitting at 8 9 90 tonight if his fastball is there how much easier is it for you to deal with the other well I mean I think you're able to sit back on the breaking ball more because you're not worried about the fastball blowing by you but what's gonna be cute with him is gonna be that cut that cutter he's gonna have to do that hard-slider cutter down and in to keep guys on his end I'll make his fastball better. All right we'll keep watching Kershaw tonight making his debut but it's Reds with a 2-1 lead in LA. This is a bad start. This is a bad start. They're 6-11 right now they just don't look good so is this simply World Series hangover for you? I think it's fatigue. I mean they're pitching staff they just been up and down. Chris Sell looks a little a little hurt I wouldn't I'm not saying he's hurt but he's not himself and it starts with your ace and he's been bad every outing so far this year. I just think this team is this not a hangover I think it's fatigue playing late in October. Everything went perfect for this team last year they hit on I mean every day the hit line drives went in big ball games they played incredible defense and they pinch well from starter staff to the bullpen when everything goes perfect like this the next year you can expect that because baseball is a different season every year. Yeah and I think it is a hangover because if you think of it though the way they started the season last year they started 17 and 2 and just just rolled the rest of the year everything went perfectly as Frank talked about I think this is the first adversity Alex Cora is doing and it's ever had so it's a test for him he's already built that trust factor in the locker room so I don't worry about this team moving forward but I do worry about Chris sale and I also worry about Mookie Betts and he was even commenting today about the way he is started 222 batting average three home runs seven RBI's this is the MVP and he did everything right last year can he jump on and have a hot stretch yes of course we all expect it because of what he puts into his craft but when you are struggling you look to your stars to get yourself out of it and I think Mookie Betts is gonna write the ship and then you're gonna not talk about the hangover that's going on now you're gonna say this is the talented team that is going to be where they're supposed to be right we so we've seen yellow and what he's doing to start the year when you in looking again it still is a small sample size but when you win an MVP as you have done how hard is it to now now that the bar is up here to say well that's the new bar especially playing in a place like Boston that's the bar you said it high league MVP you did everything won a batting title and then you come out and started like 220 people look at you like whoa whoa you're not getting done I mean baseball is year-to-year Mookie Betts is an incredible player he's gonna figure it out he's gonna figure it out fast and you think about it too I mean I spent a lot of time watching stars like Frank Thomas and they set the bar but they had expectation the next year even if they went through struggles they had expectations that they were gonna have their numbers at the end of the year it was gonna be where it's at I think Mookie Betts is at that point in his career and he's that star that has that expectation that's why he's disappointed yeah and mix mix in this the Red Sox starting staff the RA is 7.1 wow that is not gonna get it done so that's got to get better


is nice when you can call on a familiar face when you need some help when you need a little bit of assistance you can hit up the right person and they can be like okay yeah I got you and this is what the Ravens are doing with signing Kevin Seymour which they are doing to the active roster now Kevin Seymour he's been on the Ravens practice squad since around September 15th of this year so he's been there early on in the season and with him being there that has allowed him to gain some familiarity with the Ravens system with their defense which is always a good thing because we know how crazy and how complex this defense can be he's somebody that had a couple of call-ups this year I know one for sure in the I want to say the Chiefs not not the Chiefs game was the Chiefs game I forget because it was it was so long ago it feels like this season has been it's gone so fast and it seems like those early games it seems like they were like years ago almost from how much has gone on especially in this Raven season because this thing has been crazy but anyway he is on the official 53 now he takes our Darius Washington place so they gonna be announcing him probably to IR probably today maybe like around four because Ravens with roster moves they usually announced them super like not even necessarily late but they usually announced them like at their line time they might not even announce this till tomorrow because the game is tomorrow night so um I'm not sure how anyway you get the point they'll announce it soon enough so they just flip spots our Darius goes out Kevin Seymour goes in now he's somebody he spent some time with Buffalo he spent some time with the Panthers he also spent some time in Philly hasn't really started many games because when you look at everything in Buffalo 2016 he started three games for them in 2017 he started two games for the for the Panthers and after that he he hadn't started at all anymore okay he got called up three times this year one of them was a COVID call up though so that didn't count towards his call-ups now the the Ravens they must have definitely had some value with him a saw some value with Kevin Seymour reason being because he has been one of the guys that they have protected on the practice squad and whenever you protect somebody like every week you can protect four players on the practice squad so what that means unlike Trace McSawley who obviously wasn't protected if you protect though any one of those four guys they cannot be signed off your practice squad they can't so again Trace McSawley he was not protected but with Kevin Seymour being protected Ravens knew like hey this guy yeah we know how our cornerbacks get we know how our secondary gets so we know that we take hits there every single year and it's like no matter how deep our secondary is every single year we sing in the same song every single year and this year is no different so now with him being on the active roster you depending on Jimmy Smith status I don't know what that's gonna be depending on Anthony Averett status I don't know what that's gonna be depending on Tavon Young status I don't know what that's gonna be I would expect to see him play tomorrow cuz I know we a lot of people question if Talva who we also just signed if he was gonna be playing in the game tomorrow night against the Browns but no I I wouldn't expect that you never know but I wouldn't expect and then it all actually would all just depend on who's available and who's not cuz Marlon Humphrey he'll be good to go Chris Westry he'll be good to go but it's just everybody else who we don't know about I think Tavon Young he should be good to go but it's not 100 yet so come tomorrow round about 6 35 I think some I wouldn't have before the game that's when we'll get those official actives inactive so that should be neat between today and tomorrow just to give you a quick little update we have a loaded loaded loaded loaded episode of NFL questions from subscribers it is loaded I'm thinking about yeah like I said either dropping that to either later tonight or tomorrow morning early tomorrow morning so y'all let me know whichever one you prefer we'll get it figured out but either way it will be dropping within the next 12 hours so you can stay on the lookout for that make sure you turn your notifications on cuz I do not want you to miss not one single video cuz I know the videos could be a lot it could be a lot of videos I know the videos they could they could go on and we have a lot of fun with the videos y'all know we could talk about Ravens literally forever I mean we talk about Raven literally 365 days a week I mean 365 days out of the year I mean we I think we might talk about them 365 days a week too but we talk about Ravens a lot sometimes two times a day sometimes three times a day we talk about these Ravens literally every single day of the year so I know it's a lot of videos it's a lot of content to consume but I appreciate y'all for watching it shout out to the patrons shout out to just everybody y'all just thank you thank you thank you thank you the game tomorrow night it's all Kareem Hunt he got activated so that's that's that's nice that's nice and Brown's offensive lineman is it Conklin he got activated too so Brown's Brown's again healthier they get healthier tomorrow night it's gonna be a showdown man it is going to be a showdown I just I feel like however whichever way the game goes I feel like it's gonna be a two-point game I just I don't see either team blowing the other team out I just I can't see that and like we of course we know Ravens football and I mean this year we just don't know Ravens football as a matter of fact we don't know what this team is we don't know what to expect from them week after week after week we just don't know and literally every time every time when you think oh I got this figured out alright these are the Ravens that's getting ready to show up no completely different team shows up completely different team and it's like oh okay even though in the Bears game I didn't think that was gonna be a blowout I didn't then I think that was gonna be a blowout cuz just cuz what we saw in the Dolphin game really what we've been seeing all year Ravens the only blowouts that they had or the Chargers game and the Broncos game and that was it like the Broncos game wasn't even like a blowout but it was decided well into the fourth we knew Ravens were gonna take care of business and the same with the Chargers game just to floor the game Ravens have been taking care business throughout even with the two interceptions even with those they had still been taking care business but this team again Raiders overtime chiefs down to the wire Lions down to the wire Colts down to the wire Chargers okay blowout Broncos okay blowout Dolphins Yikes Bengals Yikes Vikings down to the wire overtime as a matter of fact overtime the Raiders the Colts the Vikings and then the Bears down to the wire so you get my point these Ravens this is a this is the normal Ravens this is this is the normal Ravens this is what we have been used to for so long especially under Joe Flacco and them these are the Ravens that we know that the stress Ravens the Ravens that's like man what are you doing for three quarters and all of a sudden the fourth quarter they decide to wake up but that's why we get so frustrated with just a lot of decisions that are made sometimes with execution when they're not executing the right way with some of the decisions that coaching would do and it's why we get so frustrated because we know these guys are better than the what they put out there we know they are the offensive line has been a big issue this year for sure but it's it's an issue that you you have some options some different things that you could try before you at the point where it's like I it ain't no hope for it you got you got some different options that you could try especially since Patrick McCarrey is back you can move him around you can move Bradley Bozeman around put in Tristan Cologne Castillo you got some options that you could do move Tyree Phillips you got some options at linebacker that issue has been fixed Patrick Queen was it was rough for the Ravens they were humble about that one they showed humility about that one like hey you know what maybe Patrick Queen right right now he ain't it right now all right Josh Bynes can you come through can you save us so that was good I appreciated that was good but in order for Ravens to fix their issues they got to be willing to admit their issues they are seven and three they are a beautiful seven and three that record is just wonderful love it but is if they keep doing the same stuff that they've been doing now of course they've been winning they've been winning a lot which is great we love that but again can't stress it enough Browns Browns Steelers Steelers Bingles Packers Rams you gotta step it up gotta step it up so this is the time where hardballing them winking them G-roll and them this is a perfect time for them to hit that hit a stride it's perfect time you get Lamar Jackson Beck Hollywood he'll probably be back but you you know your nucleus of players and you you've been given plenty of examples of what they can what they can't do what they're good at what they struggle with you have plenty of film to go over you have plenty of games that you've seen them perform in so now it's time to put that all together and come up with a Grand Master plan and a Grand Master plan that that has room to be changed because you can't go into every single game thinking the same way you can't go into against every single opponent having the same view of them you have to be willing to make changes based on your opponents because all your opponents are not the same all your opponents are not carbon copies of each other and even in this this last half of the season your adjustments will be tested more than ever why because in this last half of the season two times you will play the same team twice twice so you'll play the Steelers twice you'll play the Browns twice and get this here's the kicker and a team that you already played earlier you'll be playing them again so Ravens have been very stubborn they go into a lot of game plans very stubborn sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't sometimes it barely works but hey the results speak for themselves I guess but now your coaching will be tested more than ever ever I've said this before years ago I hate when we look back at a game and be like man coaching lost that one I feel like there should never be a game where coaching lost it I feel like it should all be on the players I feel like it should all be on the players my opinion though that's just me I'm not a coach I'm not a professional anything I'm just I'm just on here talking having some fun but that's my opinion so I just going into this last portion of the season I don't want that to be it if Ravens lose let it be alright man man Lamar was missing on those today oh man that offensive line wasn't blocked oh man they couldn't get the running ankle all receivers dropping it oh man they just weren't tackling good enough oh man that cornerback just got beat I just don't feel like it should ever be on coaching I feel like coaching should be putting these guys in the best position to succeed and really just trying to get the best out of these guys too now and this ain't a video to rip on the coaches anything like that and just to give all the praise to the players because it is both sides share blame for sure no doubt coach is shared blame player shared blame both of them share blame so they gots to get this thing right fast because if you don't things could fall apart like that you seven and three you mess around slip up against the Browns you be seven and four okay no we cool then you got Steelers up next you mess around you could be seven and five then you mess around you go to Cleveland this time you mess around you could be seven and six season could change immediately immediate right away this is why it's so important that you you play your best you coach your best you bring your best every single week we had a question from subscriber the other actually that we was doing today it got sent to me the other day but we just did all of our questions from subscribers today all of them every single last one of them so y'all will see that very soon but um he talked about how you you can't and it was somebody that said that they've been on both sides of the ball they said he's played on both sides of the ball and he's also coached so he got experience doing both which is cool so shout out to him but he said you cannot coach effort you can't can't coach effort somebody either got it or they don't and I feel like that's true you can tell somebody today you need to give me your best you need to get more you can tell them that you can try to motivate them but effort that that starts with them they have to want to be willing to do whatever it is that they are doing and they have to be willing to show effort so again it's on players to show that effort to be coached and to really put it out there when they play it's on coaches to show effort like hey i'm the coach here but i'm also and i got great experience and i've had a lot of success in this league but i'm also willing to to change some stuff so again it's on both sides both sides for sure but anyway team keep it clean i love y'all i appreciate y'all and like kevin seymour isn't but we are i'm out man we're gone


Well, thank you for coming today. Thank everybody else's vast audience for coming today. Appreciate it. So yeah, your book sounds very interesting. Thank you. I'll get a copy and we'll get you some publicity here. Oh, thank you. I'm Camille Smalley. I wrote The Sacco Drive-In or Cinema Under the Main Sky. So my first plug is that my friend Charlie Wittes took all the photos for this book and he's an amazing photographer. It's a great website if you're interested. That was part of our deal. I paid him in chocolate chip cookies to take the photos and publicity. So does anybody hear about last year's Honda push to save drive-ins and the big campaign that we had? Okay, great. So last summer was a monumental year for drive-ins across the country, including The Sacco Drive-In. 2014, this year, marks the end of the production of film. So last year, drive-ins needed to convert to a digital format. Most drive-ins still run off of 35-millimeter or more film projection, which was great when it first opened, but now it's definitely becoming obsolete. Hollywood has decided that they don't want to produce any films actually on film anymore and that they were all digital. This means that drive-ins nationwide has to convert to digital. Now, it sounds simple. You just go to the store and buy a digital projector, except the projectors cost about $80,000. That's for the lowest model. So it's a very expensive endeavor for these amusements that are only open from May, maybe April, if we have a really good warm-up through September or October. Now, if you're a drive-in in, say, Texas or Georgia, you have much more even weather all year round and can be open much longer as most of them are. Unfortunately for those of us in Maine, especially with this winter that we all remember too well, the drive-in didn't open until late April and normally we try to open in early April. So there again, there's some revenue loss. So last year, we participated in this big project called Project Honda, which we actually approached Honda at the beginning of last year. We knew we had to convert to digital and we thought, how are we going to do this? So Rye Russell, the manager of the drive-in and Justin Shinet, who's the Soco State Representative and myself, because we're all friends, got together and decided how are we going to fundraise and save one of Soco's biggest icons. So we thought, we have a great plan. We are going to approach the car dealerships on the Soco Auto Mile for sponsorships to save the drive-in. That's right. No money down, zero APR. So our plan was to offer them advertising. They put down, you know, $5,000. We can negotiate a package for their advertisements to run on the new digital projector. So we figured we could easily fundraise maybe $10,000 and then have five to seven auto dealerships sponsor the digital projector. Cars, you know, sales. It all goes together, right? We all got told, oh yeah, you have to talk to So and So and funding, So and So never answered the phone. So that didn't work so well. So what we ended up doing was we approached Honda and they said, well, you know, this is a very interesting idea, we'll think about it. Well, after all the other answers, we thought, yeah, sure, you'll think about it like everybody else thinks about it. Then we got a call in July. Well, we thought about it and we've talked to some other drive-ins and, yes, this digital projector is in need. So we're going to run this contest called Project Honda to have people vote the public, vote for the drive-ins that they want to win digital projectors. We thought, well, this is great. This is, you know, our golden egg because we had had three fundraisers and we raised about $5,000, which is $75,000 short of a digital projector. So we filmed the Honda campaign at the drive-in and they filmed it a few other locations. We did a huge Facebook push. We had people voting every day. You could vote by text, you could vote by Facebook. It was a marathon all last summer. And part of the fundraising effort we thought was, well, we'll produce an e-book and people can purchase the e-book and that'll be part of our fundraisers. So I put out a call to the Soccer Historical Society as well as people around town in different press releases and tried to spread the reach out and said, hey, if you have a memory of the soccer drive-in, please send it to me and it'll be included in this e-book that you could purchase. I think we put the price at $5 on Amazon and hopefully that would help us push us toward our goal. So as we're going, I get the e-book out. People really enjoyed it. And then it comes to be September when they're going to announce who won the digital projector. It was a nail biter and they decided they were going to announce one winner over the next 10 days, which is the most painful thing I've ever experienced. I had talked to myself in the mirror in the morning and said, you're not going to win and it's going to be fine. Even though you put your whole life full this summer into this, it'll be okay. So I go to work at the Soccer Museum and I'm at work and I get a phone call from Rai Russell, the manager of the drive-in. And he says, come on, I just heard from Honda and we won. And I was like, Rai, you're kind of a prankster. Are you sure? Are you sure it was Honda and not someone calling you and saying they're Honda? And he was like, no, we won. And so he had to convince me. And then I started crying and then he started crying and we're all crying on the phone. And we decided that we were going to have a party that evening to celebrate the drive-in winning the digital projector. So after all of that press, because we got press from Boston News, Portland News, and actually even as far as Virginia for winning the digital projector, which is amazing. Things from Soccer rarely trickle out past Portsmouth. So getting Boston News was great. And then a few days later, I get an email from Rai that's a forward from someone else. And I open it and it's the history press asking me if I wanted to write a book about the history of the drive-in. And I thought, oh my goodness, this is great. And so I emailed her back and said, sure, I've already written an e-book. So they looked at the e-book and they said, oh, this is great. It's a great 6,000 word narrative. It had to be 33,000 words. Well, as I previously mentioned, last winter already it's a good thing. It was so cold so I could stay in and write instead of wanting to go out and do things. So it was a good experience writing the book. What I did was, is because it starts off, the e-book started off with the history and then went into people's stories. So what I did was I expanded the original concept to include soccer history from pretty much the point of contact of people coming here and starting a fishing village. And then I followed the way that transportation had changed. So I kind of chronicled the development of roads, how we started to have roads, and how the soccer automobile kind of developed around the drive-in, the history of drive-ins, kind of 30s, 40s culture. And then I have people who submitted their memories and I talk about those. And I actually, through this process, got to meet some really interesting people. One of the people I got to meet was a gentleman who worked as an usher at the drive-in. His name is Don Whidham. He worked there from 1945 on. He had returned from war and decided to work at the drive-in. So I got some really good information from him and I'll read his story in a minute. So the theater opened in July of 1939 with a comedy starring June Clive and Jimmy Durant. Then admission was only 35 cents a person. Now it's $15 a car. So I think the amount is about the same reasonably 35 cents a person then versus $15 a car now. So it's still a really affordable amusement. The theater was advertised as a place to enjoy the talkies and watch a movie from the privacy of your own car. The theater gained popularity opening in June through the summer season and it closed in October. In 1942, the theater went dark as the government issued blackout curtains. I figured they didn't want the Germans to be circling watching the end of the movie before they made their wartime decisions. However, even though the theater went dark it promptly reopened the next summer. As I mentioned, I met with Don Whidham and I will read you his piece which was probably my favorite. He still lives right next to the drive-in. I met with him at his house.  After I interviewed him he said you're going to write these notes down, right? Because I'm probably just going to talk. And I said that's fine. I will write your notes and I will turn them into the narrative that it should be. He's like okay good because I can't write all this down. It's just going to come out. That's fine. And he sweetly patted me on the shoulder and told me he was so glad to have met me and talked to me that day. So it was just a very fun experience. So this is Don Whidham, from Scarborough to Soco Drive-In Usher. I was born in Dunstan, Scarborough and remember going to the drive-in when it first opened in 1939. I rode my bike with some friends from Scarborough to Soco and the ticket man said I was too young for the film. I was ahead Usher at the drive-in from 1946 through 1956. After World War II I came home and Mr. O'Neill, one of the owners along with Eugene Borogene asked me if I wanted to work at the drive-in. I said yes. Mr. Borogene specifically were very nice people. Eugene Borogene was a happy-go-lucky man who really enjoyed having families and children at the drive-in. He really focused on the drive-in playing family movies and he actually knew someone in the film business to get those first-run films. That summer, in 1946, I met my wife Jean. She was working as a ticket taker in the ticket booth at the drive-in and we were married that fall for 43 years until her death. In 1946 until about 1947 the Soco Drive-In had only one large speaker on top of the screen. It blared so loud that the people all the way down to Pine Point could hear the sound. People often complained about the noise from the theater but no one ever actually did anything about it. When the individual speakers came along I placed them on the cars and also fixed them when anything was wrong. Sometimes I helped in the projection room with the two projectors that ran on carbons. They took up the entire room together. You had to unwind the film wheels and watch carefully to prevent a break in the film. When the film broke you used special cells to piece it back together. Of course, at times, bugs came in and got stuck on the glass and skipped the film. In the early days, the capacity was 125 cars. After the theater switched to individual car speakers the space without the large speaker made room for more cars, bumping the drive-in up to 300 cars. A stock-aid fence was added after the loudspeaker was removed. About 1954, a new panoramic screen was installed. In the late 1940s the drive-in sold hot dogs from the ticket booth and you didn't even have to buy a ticket to buy a hot dog. Then, later, there were two concession stands one behind the projection room which is still there and one to the far right upon entering the theater and the building is still there. Both stands sold hot dogs, ice cream, hamburgers, soda and coffee. The playground was off to the right and had slides and swings for the kids. We had many popular films, the Soco Drive-In, back in the 40s and 50s. I remember we had the greatest show on earth play in 1956 or 1957 from Dusk Till Dawn. The drive-in was packed. This movie came out in about 1952 with Charlton Heston, Jimmy Stewart and Betty Hutton. Everyone loved it. We also had Cecil A. Moore known as Mush Moore about his adventures about running a dog sled race from Lewiston to Alaska. Many people enjoyed the Soco Drive-In in those days. Having speakers come to the drive-in was something a lot of other drive-ins also did. It was another way to bring people in and try to make more money. Even though the film when they were printing on film it was hard for drive-ins to get first run films. A lot of times they played movies on their third run or their fifth run and they were often two years old so it was really hard to get first run films. It was really special for the Soco Drive-In to actually be able to play more current films. The second film was often a later film. They also had various things come to the drive-in like talent shows and things like that just to try to get people excited and like I said make more money so they can afford better films. A few different drive-ins like one in New Jersey actually had a place where you can fly your airplane in and watch the movie. Of course that didn't happen in Soco much. So next to the Soco Drive-In I don't know if anybody remembers but the Cascades Inn and their big shore dinners. So that was on the corner. Of course now it's kind of a strange strip mall and a beverage redemption or something. So that was of course right next to the drive-in which the drive-in very much benefited from being located so close to Old Orchard Beach which it still does. Eugene Boregene who is the most known owner of the drive-in. He also named the drive-in the motor in theater and the Soco motor in theater before he called it the Soco Drive-In. He was an Italian immigrant transplanted from New York and he owned the theater with his wife Helen. One of my favorite parts of this the drive-in history is that Eugene Boregene one of the original owners was an Italian immigrant. He was a house painter in New York according to the census records. I would love to go back in time and my TARDIS and ask him why did you move to make it open a theater when you were a house painter. I haven't quite been able to figure that out but inside the drive-in in some of the photos in the book that I received he actually painted a mural that's on the inside of the concession stand. It's been painted over since unfortunately but in the book you can see big palm trees and just that he was very talented. So that's kind of something that I think is one of those kind of American dream kind of stories that shows the drive-in is really an American invention. So Boregene like I mentioned he didn't mind having families and children at the drive-in and with Cascades being next door of course a lot of families would come. Well Cascades had a large wait staff and a lot of times the wait staff would work the late night shift and then have to open in the morning. So they had dorms on site at Cascades for the wait staff to live in and think of the movie Dirty Dancing. So with the dorms being there even if you lived on Flagpond Road which isn't that far going at night home and then coming back early in the morning is a lot for you know a teenager. So they'd often sleep over. So I was told a little story that sometimes they would sleep over and then sneak over to the drive-in. So I got this story from actually the development officer at the soccer museum Nancy Tripp her sister used to do this. I worked at Cascades restaurant while I was in my late teens during the summers in the 1950s. I worked a variety of shifts sometimes closing one evening and opening for breakfast the next morning. Cascades had dormitories for servers particularly in that situation. I had several friends who did not live very far from Cascades or from the soccer drive-in but when you work those back to back closing and opening shifts even going three miles seems to be too much. After closing up in the evening a group of us would climb through the shrubs and watch films at the soccer drive-in without actually going into the drive-in. We couldn't hear the movie but it was free and a great way to blow off steam after work. Which, who can argue with that? I suppose most of us that go to the gym you can't really hear the TV anyway but we know what's going on it's still entertaining. So families have enjoyed the soccer drive-in for 75 years. This year marks the 75th anniversary of the soccer drive-in and it's incredible for a small family-owned, always family-owned business in Maine which is definitely something to celebrate. So I'm going to read to you some of my favorite stories that people submitted to me from the drive-in. So this story is from Alexis Moody who's from Scarborough, Maine. There is nothing like packing up a cooler, bringing some blankets the comfortable lawn chairs with the cup holders and watching a movie at the soccer drive-in. For my family it's something that happens every summer and multiple times per season. Money is tight for us and it has been a while but thanks to the great prices of the soccer drive-in we can take all three of our kids out to enjoy two movies for the matinee prices of two adults tickets at a regular theater. Not counting food. I don't know how the soccer drive-in is able to do this but I'm grateful. Our family enjoys time outdoors with great film together. Last season we went and saw Monsters University and the entire drive-in was packed. I think they sold out that weekend. I can't recall the second film but there were so many families laughter and smiles. And that's something that keeps Rai Russell running the drive-in is having a place where all these families can come and enjoy movies together and the fact that it's still 75 years later is such a good family atmosphere. I think it speaks to kind of our culture about families and being together and spending time together being important. So this story I really appreciated when it came in because when I think of drive-ins I think of horror cheesy movies that they showed at drive-ins especially in the 60s because they weren't getting as good of films then and of course drive-ins started closing in the 70s and then in the 1980s they often showed adult films as I have had many people different volunteers at the soccer museum say to me that place showed dirty films and I just had to like hold back a giggle because it was so funny the way they would say it to me. So we're really lucky that the soccer drive-in made it through those really lean times that has been able to show modern films and then family films again. So this memory kind of speaks to that 1970s, 1960s, horror kind of gory films that they showed at the drive-in. This is from Constance Downs and she didn't give me a location. I went to the soccer drive-in with my boyfriend quite often in the early 1970s. My mother thought I was going with a group of girlfriends but she never knew that I was actually meeting up with my boyfriend at the drive-in. I'm sure she'd be horrified to know that now. I remember seeing films like Night of the Living Dead, House on Haunted Hill, Last House on the Left and other incredibly gory films. Most people I know who went to the drive-in enjoyed those films too. Well, when they were paying attention. By then, there were not as many families at the theater as there had been when I was a child. It was more those of us teenagers who have had a newfound freedom with the car. I think the drive-ins gave us freedom to just be and experience life on our own. So I think that's also true. Another piece of the drive-in history is this kind of movement from being so family centric to being a place, you know, kind of a safe place for teenagers to go and then, of course, coming back around to being more of a family place like it is now. Of course, they try to play a more variety of films with having a kid's movie first or of a, you know, late teens adult movie second so that way families can leave if they want to or, you know, the kids fall asleep in the car and so then you can watch the adult movie and take them home and put them to bed in their pajamas. Which was also a story I got a lot from different people was I remember taking the kids to the drive-in in their pajamas and carrying them home. And it's funny because spending nice to the drive-in last summer, various times this summer I still see kids playing in their pajamas and playing catch cookouts and it's very cyclical this whole notion of, you know, the drive-in being this great place and that it has, the best part to me is that it has nostalgia and history but it's still current.  So the book has more stories and more history but do you have any questions? I totally relate to the the 50's going to the Portland Drive-In. That was a really nice thing. Me too. But in recent years not with you. In recent years my grandson, well this is going to be 10 years ago they live out of state because they had never been to a drive-in so it was a whole new concept for them. So I took them to the Pride's Corner which is closest to me. They had no idea what it was. So we're going to the drive-in movie there. And there was two feature films and I thought well they were older but they'll watch the first film and then fall asleep. It never happened. They were wide away from both things and we'd get home to laugh at midnight and I was beat. But that was whenever they came to visit me from out of state that's what we scheduled. Oh yeah. I'm a recent major so I don't remember this place at all or any of these others but Long Island, New York is where I grew up. We had drive-ins there and some of these things you're saying are totally the same thing. We had a playground, had concession stands and I can remember the concession stand ads that you had on top first. The dancing popcorn thing. And my mom would put my brothers in their pajamas before we went because they would fall asleep in the back seat of the car and yeah it was a lot of fun. Yeah the drive-in actually originated in New York or I mean in New Jersey is where the first drive-in opened and then after that it just became very formulaic and everywhere had a drive-in. In the back of the book I actually have an appendix of all the drive-ins that were in Maine almost every single town had a drive-in. Kenny Bunk, Sanford you know, Bitterford didn't but they're just everywhere. They're going to Bridgeston right? Yep there's still, there's five active ones in Maine still. We have the Sacco Drive-In we have the Pride's Corner Drive-In, the Bridgeston Drive-In the Scout Hegan Drive-In and the Madawaska Drive-In. And the funny thing is that the Madawaska Drive-In opened in 1972 which is as of course drive-ins are closing Madawaska goes, hey we have a great drive-in. I can look, it's in my appendix. I don't have any with me because my dad bought all of my drive-in books. Because he insisted on it but if you buy them I will gladly come sign them for you. So the Portland Twin Drive-In opened in 1949. So that was only ten years after the Sacco Drive-In and the Sacco Drive-In was the first drive-in in Maine and the second in New England beat out only by Weymouth Massachusetts by a couple of years. How many different people have owned it in this history? Supposedly the first owner the first there was a co-owner in the beginning and Eugene Boregine came and there were three of them. From most of the older people I've spoken to that worked at the drive-in there was a Mr. O'Neill a Mr. Boregine and another guy who wasn't very nice who only came in once a week. I've only heard of this other guy as being the guy who wasn't very nice so I'm assuming he must have been the financial guy. And then Boregine bought them out and owned it outright and he sold it and it was owned by the person who owned also the Scarborough Drive-In so that I think it was the Hoyt's Cinemas, they owned both of those and then it's currently owned by the Roberge family of Roberge construction in Biddaford. So it's really only had a few when I was looking for business records to try to track that I actually emailed the city of Sacco and they said oh we don't actually have to keep those for longer than five years so it became a little difficult to try to figure that out. Is your book selling well? It is, it's doing pretty well. I haven't gotten a commission check yet but I'm sure that's in the mail. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.


Do hey Terrence, okay, I guess we will go ahead Hello Don't know what April is So far just us it's been very quiet in the channel today if you noticed I've noticed most slack sick channels aren't super super active Yeah, well, I mean a lot of people I know in the land of cloud native are involved with the protests in some way Yep That and like I think mailing lists tend to be the primary form of communication. Yeah Anyway Well, really I Honestly have to admit that Don't pay a lot of attention to the mailing list. I Just know a lot of the since you have communication seems to happen into the mailing list So I think I know with like at least the other sick that involved is the app delivered six Yeah, we just use the mailing list for announcements though There's no real discussion the So Given that if In the event that April does not show up We'll just end up taking up the whole meeting for the whole end user requirement discussion So in the meantime because it's being recorded, let me do the obligatory stuff Howdy I this is officially a meeting of the CNCF governance working group This is being recorded for CNCF documentation purposes We are also subject to the CNCF code of conduct And so everybody on this call promises to be a nice responsible human being at least while they're on this call Um the And so that out of the way we can discuss stuff just wait did you used to work in heroku? I Still work at heroku. We still work at heroku. Yeah, cool. We were you there when Craig and Peter were there? Yes because they're both friends of mine, so Your name does sound familiar, but I can't yeah place why I Showed up in the office a number of times I used to be a postgres committer, so Gotcha Okay, so There is the notes feel free to add anything you want to that We will focus Pretty much entirely on the end user stuff because it's you and me and punt on the other issues until next meeting or some other time So Now one of the things in our profits this with is I actually kind of don't feel like the end user requirements is really a governance issue But looking at it there's no other good place for it to be You know and since we are dealing with a bunch of the other titular requirements. It seems It's not really governance, but it's not really anything else either So it might as well be us But later on somebody might decide that they actually are going to lay claim to the requirement I mean if not you then the TOC I guess is the fallback right? Yeah I know and you never want stuff to originate in the TOC Yet honestly what you'll get is you will get an updated requirement that is equally confusing So I guess as just for context I think you weren't at the last TOC meeting last week or something. I was not and so that Harry actually from the After delivered sick brought this up because it's like blocking their whatever recommendation on Bill packs of like What they want to say with regards to it for incubation and yeah, I came up in the meeting I think the thing that was kind of decided was like Case by like basically very unsatisfactory like case-by-case basis shrug question mark like I guess we'll see when it comes in I Mean that those are terrible because what that means is projects That have a project contributor who's on the TOC Get okayed and and projects that don't don't Which is not how we should be deciding things but Um, yeah, maybe maybe worth re-watching that like five-minute segment or whatever from okay to see But I I believe that was like kind of the conclusion like it was brought up And there was some examples like I know even for app delivery say like this is a thing that cloud events Which is an incubation project? Brought this up because it's you know an even more stringent requirement going into graduation, right? Like what are end users? What what does that mean? It's like mostly a spec tools projects in that regards like how do you consider what the end users should be? Yeah Well, I guess So I guess two questions that I have there is I mean number one one of the problems I'm going through with the TOC in general is that we have this list of requirements for incubating and graduated But not one of the window a couple of them do but most of them have No rationale behind them as to why those things are requirements and Without the rationale it's really hard to figure out how to judge these Right because like you have two possible definitions of end user, right in end user could be specifically how this has sort of put on The CNCF website, but that's really for the end user council, which is companies that are not vendors as a company, right? But then you also potentially have this other definition, which could be You're an end user if your company Is not in a position to ever Have a product Based on the project if you follow me Yeah, that makes sense Which would be a second potential definition and not one we'd want to use for the end user council But potentially one we'd want to use for an individual project And without the TOC telling us what the rationale for the end user requirement is then I Don't know if that's completely reasonable So like if we were to actually make the requirement of the end users just have to be companies that Do not and are not likely to have a product That is in some way based on the project then that would solve the problem for build packs and cloud events Yeah, I mean, I guess my question is like why is it problematic to have like I get in certain cases where that's true, but like Yeah, I think specifically for build packs too for me It's just when I think about end user like the people we were most interested in initially of like targeting our people that very much are producing products on Top of the software that we're building not because we're making money off of that But because like it has the largest breadth of in rent or like of like kind of reach so like if for instance like Heroku for instance, right like has a pass that uses build packs as the way to build stuff for it like And they may like for sure like broken makes money off of that, right? But like I would personally count that as an end user if you follow me They're not selling build pack They're using build pack to build something and then selling that thing, right? Yeah, it's just like if I'm General motors. I'm not a Linux vendor. I'm using Linux to put it on the onboard system to sell a car So Yeah, I guess that distinction is definitely not clear to me Well, so so I think part of the for my perspective part of the problem here is The CNCF is trying to use the same definition for the end user council and for the end user requirement for projects and I think personally, I think those two should be different Because the purpose the end user council is to have involvement in the CNCF by companies where the entire company is not a vendor I can come up with a couple of possible rationales for the end user requirement So I'm trying to take notes at the same time I speak So rationale number one is obviously Potentially to push all of the individual projects to help build the end user council Right, that's a possible goal of the CNCF right obviously end user involvement in the CNCF helps the entire CNCF and Therefore individually all of its projects and therefore the CNCF maybe wants a requirement to push projects to actively participate in this But another possible reason for that requirement is what I call avoiding the C++ problem I Don't know if you ever did any C++ very limited mostly in school, but not in a professional context So back during the peak year of C++. There was this International committee called the object management group Also colloquially known as oh my god for lots of very good reasons And the object management group's job was to meet twice a year somewhere in the world and Pass a bunch of C++ specs and The way these specs work is a Vendor would write a spec They would get a couple of their partners to support it They would shove it through and no one in the world would ever use that spec to ever write any actual code and That's the other possible rationale for the end user requirement if you follow me because The companies that are most heavily involved in the CNCF are vendors and because the vendors often partner with each other There is the possibility of creating basically shell projects That is projects that are good for each company's marketing even though nobody actually uses them And the CNCF as an organization doesn't want to get in a position Where they are promoting a bunch of shell projects because that harms the CNCF brand and harms the brand of the Individual of the actual projects that do have users Do those companies also not use that project that they are putting in? Oh, yeah I Can't go into specifics because I work for a vendor But let me say I could name quite a number of Projects created in the cloud native space that are used by nobody including the company that originated them So I guess like as a more concrete example like I know in our case right for Bill Pax like I put down both of the two companies involved as example end users because we are using it in a context where like We are actually we want to use the thing the reason we're working on this because we want to use the thing We're building right, but we also wanted to work kind of outside of just the scope of the two things the two companies involved Right are those like good examples of end users or do you not want to count end users that are basically founding members of that project? Well, I mean the problem with say the originating company having internal end users Is that anytime you're talking about a single company? We have this issue with the maintainer diversity thing also? that company can have a company wide policy change and Then a race support for the project The however The reason why I was going over those two possible rationales And why I really want the TOC to pick one of the two as The primary rationale is because which one is the primary rationale really makes a huge difference, right? If the primary rationale is to get more end users for the you see then we have to stick to the definition for the end user council Right, and you have to find companies that are not software vendors who will say yes, we're interested in this but If the goal is to avoid publishing empty specifications, then it's very different, right? then VMware could be an in not VMware, but then Red Hat could be an end user for cloud native build packs because we don't have anybody contributing to it But we could use it if you follow me right and so You know what the rationale is kind of makes a huge difference in in how this is supposed to be implemented Now in the case of cloud native build packs, I don't see why you wouldn't have SIs I see companies using it. I mean cuz theoretically anybody who develops containerized applications should be able to use it, right? Yeah, no requirement that it be a big company You know, you could have a I'll tell you from some of the existing projects They've made use of end users that are really three-person consulting companies, but that's still considered legit as far as You know any of this is concerned so we listed one one company that an RFC that I think is like in that vein where they are like three or four people maybe and they are using it internally As well, but There's also I guess like because there's distinction between like like Harry from the absolute base he made us differentiate between end users By I guess like the end user council definition and like cloud vendors So there's I mean like a lot of interest from the majority of stuff tends to be like cloud vendors that are interested in adopting this so like Yeah, for instance, like get lab, right? Like they want to use build packs as a mechanism for people to be able to run Get containerized stuff for CI right like as example, and that's why they're involved the project like right technically like they're a cloud vendor So Google is also a cloud vendor Microsoft's also a cloud vendor, right? Salesforce cloud vendor right like building a platform on top of it. So a lot of our people that we interact with tend to be that type of At least at the stage of the project is now like they're definitely are this other group of people like you're saying but they It's hard for us like I guess like find that information out. Yeah, it has been so far Yeah. Oh, no, it's always it's always difficult.  Yeah, I mean that was always a huge challenge because like, you know Because consultants talk to each other like we knew that say The army in the Coast Guard were using postcards, but that doesn't mean we were allowed to publish that information Right. Yeah. I mean, I know that even at heroka, right? Like we're not allowed to talk about our customers unless they're on the marketing page Yep, you know of like all these people that are using your product, but you can't say anything about it the so Yeah Okay, so But you see so overall I mean like I think our next steps are to pressure the TOC to make a judgment call on what the primary goal of the end user requirement is Because and and you wanted this for everything not Because as I was saying so right now we're arguing about the whole maintainer diversity thing is and I have to say look We need to stop making these stupidly simple rules that Makes the assumption that everything is black and white Because in every single open source project is its own special snowflake and we actually need guidelines more than we need rules Because like for example if we say this is if we say like If we say the requirement is the purpose of the CNCS requirement is that projects should need Users to participate in the end user council Then That's actually kind of a different requirement to be following Yeah, in which case you could even say hey the requirement is actually to recruit a certain number of users for the end user council Not to publish them on your website because that might actually be different Right particularly like for example Say that one of my end users was a bank. I Would actually have an easier time getting them to join the CNCF end user council Then admitting publicly which software they actually used Because a lot of the banks have policies not to ever disclose what specific software they use Right, the CNCF is so big that just like yeah Yeah, or if the requirement is hey, we want to avoid empty specs and show that projects have actual adoption Before they advance Then there should be substitutes right it should be even hey this project can be used entirely by cloud vendors But if you have five or more cloud vendors who have adopted it then it clearly has industry wide adoption And it's not going to go away tomorrow Yeah, I do get the sense it is more likely the latter based on the conversations from the Meeting last week, but yeah, it'd be good to get clarity. Yep So and you know and then if we get clarity we can proceed because I it is harder for some projects than others and most definitely is The I mean in the meantime given that the TOC tends to take a long time to make decisions on anything I would suggest Trying to probe in your various community meetings and stuff to see if you can find some ICs or SIs because those count And if you can find three of those then you've met the letter of the requirement And and you know we stop having to We don't have to argue out the larger issue for cloud-nated build packs specifically get passed if you follow me No so the and it's interesting because there's also this distinction on cloud vendor because like I Would honestly not have considered heroku a cloud vendor by the CNCF definition Just because Well, I don't know did did cloud native build packs originated heroku. I thought it originated at VMware It clouded well, so build packs originated at heroku and clouded build packs is built is a joint effort between both Heroku and Pivotal basically Pivotal who's now VMware and heroku who's now Salesforce through acquisitions Like taking the things we learned over running this thing in production for nine years from different angles and trying to We had kind of a fragmented build packs ecosystem So it was like we want one build pack ecosystem that's built around basically kind of containers and tooling and leveraging all that stuff versus our own like Proprietary really proprietary tar ball slugs and said use container images and like build the thing kind of with a new spec And a new thing kind of taking those ideas and bring them forward and that was kind of the premise of it So we were both like co-equally co-founding this project and that's how we got into sandbox Yeah, I don't know if they answered your question, but yeah, I know it's just well One of the things I was thinking about is is the sort of fuzzy line between cloud vendor and cloud service provider Right, right because if you're to take sales force the parent company They're kind of not a cloud vendor if you follow me they use other people's cloud technology to supply a cloud service Right, it's like to give you an example of one that's all the way on the other end, right? That is nevertheless in the cloud business automatic with one T Not automatic with two T's which is a cloud consulting company therefore on the border but automatic with one T is a company That allows you to use the cloud in order to do things with your vehicle That is they basically connect the cloud to the vehicle computer readout in a whole variety of cars That's definitely an end user though, right? They're never going to have their own Kubernetes distribution or you know and it's highly unlikely they would ever sponsor a project to the CNCF And then you get into some of these fuzzy things right of well, okay, what about a company if you have a company That never has sponsored a CNCF project, but potentially could someday in the future Where do they fall on it or if you have a company whose main business is something else entirely right general motors could sponsor a CNCF project I mean they haven't but technically they could you could imagine there being a future in which they did I don't know the whole end user thing confuses me because there are things that are obvious right red hat is obviously a vendor VMware is obviously a vendor right But there's a whole bunch of companies in the middle where it's like is this an end user or not Yeah, I mean I guess to me like most of this stuff comes from the app delivered sake of like telling me that these are vendors and so that's kind of how I bucketed it but Maybe part of even the end user thing is like what is the definition of vendor it probably also fits under it's worth clarifying what that is Like I basically split it up into end users cloud vendors and then the third category was like open source software projects because for instance There are open source software projects that obviously they're not a service or anything like it's open source software that uses cloud and a bill packs as part of like they have support for cloud and bill packs as part of that Wait, wait, so actually hold on let me look at the requirements because I'm not sure that the end user requirement says company And if it doesn't say company then an open source project would count and for that matter if the open source project has a foundation, it would also count Yeah, and that's actually I basically just listed those three categories and put a bunch of things in there and basically left it up to the TOC or whatever to kind of make a decision on that Okay, the limitation there though which would make it difficult with open source projects is used in production Which actually believe it or not it could cloud native bill packs could be used in production by an open source project If the open source project is distributing their software via cloud native bill packs And the project itself is not staffed by a vendor company then I would list that so where it becomes sticky is if it's if the cloud if the open source project is staffed is primarily staffed by a vendor company right because you could say hey fedora is You know releasing cloud native bill packs for applications, not that they are but if they were and then turn around and say, but fedora is primarily staffed by red hat and red hat is a cloud vendor and therefore this doesn't count Yeah, we definitely have some of that stuff with VMware has a bunch of open source projects that use it but they aren't the only ones. Yeah, I guess is there distinction between Like a contributor who is like not part of the core team but like is an extra contributes project so for instance like Google has open RFC's and has made patches the project and we're trying to get them to be a contributor Because they are pretty active in it, but they have projects that use it kind of independent from the people I guess that are actually running that actually contributing to cloud native bill packs right like And parts of Google like so scaffold for instance or kf from Google side both have cloud native bill packs as part of their documentation. The Yeah, so Okay, and you said you actually have to run now yeah Yeah If it's helpful I can link the due diligence doc to you. I don't know if that is Sure Here is the I mean I think you're all of the issues you're bringing up our lack of clarity issues that you know already kind of readily apparent when you read the requirements Because you know they give you listings of obvious examples of companies that fall clearly on one side of the line or the other but there's a whole bunch of entities in the middle The and again the rationale matters right because if it's the empty spec thing then showing it had broad enough vendor support would also cover it Yep Okay Yeah, I guess for next steps is that the say just talking to or the governance or you're talking Yeah, I'm going to take this up with the to see because I'm already pushing for clarification on a bunch of the other requirements because I'm like look I'm about to write detailed guidelines for you guys on how to implement these requirements But I can't do that if you won't explain why the requirements exist Sure The but the problem is that the requirements were not necessarily created by the current to see And they don't actually know why they exist and so they have to hash out from scratch Sure Make sense Probably without the next to see if they had that information to Yeah So so that's the next step for me is to take this to the to see and start a discussion and ask hey we need clarification here The next step for The next step for you I would say the thing I would advise doing because again that discussion may take a while in the in the to see is you know do don't just focus on the big companies look for smaller organizations that would call As end users because if you could meet the letter of the requirement and you've met all of the other requirements you'll probably get passed So The and honestly it's not even the letter of the requirement right if three completely independent s eyes found the software useful it's useful it doesn't matter whether we're talking a three guy consulting shop Or unisys Right Because honestly unisys may say we're using this but they're only using it on one project whereas the three person I see might use it for 10 projects so The it's still legit it still counts and I my general my personal experiences consultants are a lot more willing to talk about what they do Then Then more established companies often who have a PR process etc Right Makes sense Okay Thanks for the advice Oh, you're welcome Let's know how it goes and you know how to communicate And I'll let you know what happens with the to see or you can just follow the to see mailing list and the issue that we opened on governance WG Sounds good Yeah Thanks Ash And that's it for this meeting Thanks all


The Indian startup ecosystem has come a long way. If you go back 10 years ago, we had no unicorns, right? This year, at the end of 2021, we'll have over 70 unicorns. And in fact, this year, we've doubled the number of unicorns. 10 years ago, we had less than a billion dollars of funding per year going into startups. This year, we'll have over 30 billion. And I credit a large part of this to the extraordinary focus that our honorable Prime Minister, Modi, as well as our government, has had on startups, right? The whole startup India movement really started accelerating since about 2015. And we've seen every year the movement getting stronger and stronger.