Welcome back to theCUBE as we continue our coverage here at AWS re-invent 22, or of course, in the Venetian here in Las Vegas. It's Wednesday, day, I guess, two and a half of the show. Things are going really well here and we're going to move our attention now to banking and tech. Like so many other verticals that financial industry making huge moves with their digital plays and we're going to talk about that with a couple of guys that know what that is all about. Ken Meyer, Chief Information and Experience Officer at Truist, Ken, good to see you, sir. Good to have me, thank you very much. It is, and Heis Heiman, who is a principal at Deloitte, the lead though for Converge Prosperity. We'll explain that in just a second. Heis, good to see you as well. Yeah, awesome having me. So jump in on that for Converge Prosperity so we understand what the product is and or what the opportunity is for what Deloitte brought to market for what folks like Truist are putting into practice. And so Converge Prosperity is really our focus where we're building solutions, production-ready solutions for the financial services industry. So if you think about the demand on the bank side right now is they want to launch new products, new services, those innovative products and services that they want to take to market. And they also want to modernize a lot of their legacy infrastructure and modernize some of their components within their architecture. So we together with AWS actually are co-investing in a multi-year strategy where we're saying let's build these solutions that we can take to market that can sort of help these banks be more agile, launch products faster to market and also help address the modernization journey for the banks. And that's really sitting within the Converge Prosperity business unit within Deloitte. And Ken, for you, what was the attraction or what is the attraction in terms of that kind of an offering? Well, I think when you think about the banking journey to the cloud a lot of folks look on the channel experiences and they've leveraged cloud to create differentiated experiences that are just they couldn't build before with the speed and the scale and everything else. But the challenge is that many banks have is once you get below that layer there's a lot of legacy type technology that lives in the product offerings that we all offer. So the idea of these folks or others that are trying to make that a little bit easier to kind of connect that front end to that back end all with the true modern stack is something that's differentiated. Here I'm pulling this big old weight along with me, right? I've got all this old stuff but I still have to use some of the old stuff. Well, some of the old stuff works, right? It runs. So why would you want to mess up anything that's running? And so even that, if these folks and others can find ways to start breaking it into more modular pieces so we can consume things differently than we've done before versus take that big old elephant on every time it's a differentiator. So what's the trick then in making sure that what is new is working with what is old because what is new these days obviously faster, sleeker, we go on and on as opposed to what you were working with in the legacy. So what's the trick there, Heiss, in making sure that you're doing the right matchup? It's part of the approach. I mean, you can either do a big bang approach which is sort of lengthy and high risk for the bank which is obviously, we don't see a lot of appetite in the banks to take the big bang approach or the large transformational approach. And then the approach that we sort of take to this is to say, and that we're seeing that success in the market is around more a phased approach which we call on the edge is really to say, how can we launch something on the side and take that to market really quick to show the benefit to the business and demonstrate success? And at the same time have a really sort of modular architecture that you can say, you don't have to have this monolith solution that you need to plug or replace your existing one that you can really sort of componentize that and say which are the components that we want to start replacing in a phased approach with these new next generation technologies? And the part that he mentioned there at the end on modular architecture is 100% the key. I mean, architecture matters probably now more than ever. When you're trying to stitch all of these things together and you can find ways to make it a little bit more seamless versus some of the monoliths that we've dealt with in the past, it's extremely helpful. So give us some examples here for what your experience has been then.  Yeah, we'll leave that one alone. But no, I mean, I think some of the on the edge stuff that Heist has been talking about, we're a large bank, we have subsidiaries, we have a subsidiary, which is our national lending platform and Lightstream is an example and we decided to say, hey, let's really learn from what we could do with a more modern core banking platform. And we ultimately stood that up in production and we're close to going generally available, but we've got production accounts on modern core platforms that we're learning every day from. So, and it's not just the learning on the tech side, that tech side might be the easy part, to be honest. The change in this technology and the different technologies that are available, it really is impacting how we run our operations. So moving from batch processing, which has always been how banks operate to this concept of real-time processing. That's a big step and not only does it change in the operations and how we service our clients, but now you got to think about compliance and legal and all of the risk elements of changing security, it's all a part of that change. So you could say that the tech is really hard and it's difficult and we got to look at the architecture, but at the end of the day, it's about bringing the entire organization back to the table to say, how do we do this different? And how do we create a better experience and create new value for our clients through the technology?  I think operationally is the biggest change, in my opinion. I mean, when you start thinking about the way in which we've worked for years around this concept of batch processing. So yes, you make a deposit at your ranch and that's really nice and we might credit you and you do the memo post and it's, but it doesn't clear until the night runs and you finish your batch process at 3 a.m. and then all your downstream systems run and all of that and even the concept of collecting checks and thinking about all the item processing aspects of that. When you start talking about real time and it immediately, you make your deposit and immediately balances your general ledger and it clears and it's all right there at that point in time. All of those processes go away, right? The batch processes change, the way in which all the downstream impacts for reporting and analytics and all of those things, it all changes. And so that can be really scary but it also can be really exciting when you think about creating new products and new services that are truly real time and changing the way in which we operate with our clients. So scary and exciting, right? A couple of moods or situations that maybe some folks in banking don't want to be in, right? I don't like scary. I want here. Well, change is scary for a lot of people, right? But there's an evolution in this business. What are you seeing with your experiences in terms of? I think the other thing that it also creates opportunity to lay the foundation of how do you coexist between the old world and the new world and these modern technologies really allow you to sort of put an event-driven platform in place to say, you know, understand that the banking world is fairly batch-driven right now as Perkins comment and also the broader banking ecosystem is still batch-driven but it allows us to put a platform in place to say, how do we coexist with that batch environment and the real-time environment? And the other thing that the banks are trying to do is they're trying to work with a number of sort of the fintechs out there in the market, these leading fintechs that are offering new products and services that they can embed into their offering and then offer as a service to their customers at the end of the day. But doing that with existing banking technology is difficult because it's not as modular and it's not as open. We need these next generation technologies and certainly the solution that we're building with AWS is really sort of that power strip or that fabric layer where we are allowing fintechs to plug in easier into that ecosystem and into the bank's ecosystem as well. I think with Goldman Sachs, is that when it comes to mind of repurposing and making it available to their client base? They're certainly building a platform model where they're bringing other ecosystem partners into their platform and then they're offering out to as business services to their customers. So Ken, how do you get buy-in on this? I mean, because it sure looks good on paper, right? But when it comes to the time to actually execute and implement, you need buy-in for more than just your slice of the business, right? Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of different elements that come into getting that buy-in and kind of making that leap and starting to experiment. One is our clients, right? So our clients are demanding new products, new services. They don't expect things like maintenance windows and they want what they want when they want it. So if you're listening to your clients and they want more product innovation and they want everything available when they need it, that's clear. Cloud and security, everything that we've ever done when it comes to moving workloads or building experiences with the cloud has been by continuing to increase our security posture. So we can create a more secure environment and a more available environment because we have deployments that are spanning different regions and they're continuously available and the automation and the speed in which we can go to market. I mean, when you can create a new product and launch a new product in weeks versus months or years in the past with all of the complexity and create simplicity while also using modern capabilities to create intelligent experiences, that's a game changer and it's hard to argue with it but I think the other part of it that's a reality is that we're facing a really interesting time where there's not a whole lot of cobalt programmers laying around these days and so at some point there's going to be a workforce issue. Skills gap. Absolutely. Yeah, so looking at it with your Deloitte lens then that's a very real threat, right? Is it not to all of a sudden not a regression but certainly a delay in progress? How do we overcome that as far as training and skills and whatever? We believe that this on-the-edge approach also that the other benefit to the bank is it allows the benefit to sort of test and learn a little bit with these new technologies. These new cloud, native cloud-based technologies are very different, a different skill set that you need in the design side, in the build side and also in the maintain and operate side but it allows the bank to sort of take more of a phased approach and sort of get the training wheels around the skills, get comfortable around how these different platforms work and how do you slowly sort of phase that into the organization which makes a big difference. So what's the training part of that then? What does that look like? It's training at the engineering level to say there are a new set of tools if you think about the cloud, the infrastructure layer, those technologies are very different from servicing the on-premise technologies that the banks are used to servicing so that's certainly at the engineering level there's a difference in training but there's also a different training required at how do you configure and work with these new next generation core platforms which opens up a whole set of opportunities of what are the types of financial services products that the banks can take to market but they work very differently than your sort of your traditional more monolithic technologies and I think the bigger area as Ken mentioned is on the servicing side, the bank has now got to say we are now introducing a new solution together with the old solution and how do we coexist and how do we create a servicing layer for the customer to have that sort of consistent experience across all the new but also, you know, your middle office and your back office and your front office, you know, people have got to work on this platform and how do you not give them a broken experience in that? Well, and your clients don't care about what your black-in platforms are like, right? So it's got to be seamless, it doesn't matter if it's 100 years old or if it's 10 days old, it doesn't matter, right? Right, you talked about the modular configurations, right? Are some more critical than others? I mean, not knowing, you know, what that looks like or have you been able to give feedback on the converged prosperity side and say, you know, fine, okay. We won't do this review right now. All right, good, all right. So let's not. I think that we've done a lot of learning together throughout all of these processes because before they had this really fancy converged prosperity thing, we were just working together, right? And we've been able to learn along the way and there's some learnings that are great for us and there's other things that they can tailor for a broader set of clients, which is great. I mean, that's what the partnerships about is continuing to learn together and Heisen and his team have been phenomenal partners as we think about being very, very intentional about how we launch products on these new platforms and we give a lot of feedback on, hey, these are areas that might be really important for you to think about as you look to build out your side of the platform and some of those things we might consume, some of those things we might not. And that's okay, but for us it's about truly partnering and doing that test and learn and trying to learn about how does this impact all of the downstream stuff because it's not just about technology, although we think it is every once in a while, this is about clients. And so you gotta continue to put them in the front and then similarly our teammates that we have because they're servicing those clients on the front lines every day. Yeah, they'll tell you if it's working. They will tell you. You'll know right away. Absolutely, they're not sure. You can see what kind of use we have going on here and 100% with something's broken or not. Just real quick about the relationship going forward then like you've launched Converged Prosperity, right? It's been out in the marketplace less than a year but you've got it up and running. Things are going well. What, when you hear feedback like this from Ken and others, what kind of fine tunings going on and here with you and then from your side of the equation too, what do you want more of? What do you want to see more of here in 2023? Yeah, I mean we really, I mean we work with sort of the non-traditional banks out there. So we work with FinTechs that want to launch banking offerings. So there are a lot of lessons that we learn from them in terms of what are the features and capabilities that they're looking for. We work with some of the larger banks that are saying we want to be more modular in terms of how we consume the banking suite solution. We don't want to take sort of an end-to-end proposition. We really want to take selective components of that banking suite solution and embed it into our existing or new infrastructure. And I think the lessons for us is really just around what are the new customer capabilities that their customers are looking for that we should be building for in our platform. I think the other thing that you need to look at is these new next generation core banking platforms. They are like any new software business. They are growing, they are learning, and they are maturing. So you're also looking for customers that have the appetite to grow with some of those and whose product roadmap aligns with those vendors out there. So I guess for us it's important to work with partners that are willing to work with us and walk that journey. But we also feel that these technologies and solutions are really, banks are moving past design, past thinking. They are really now thinking about how do we start implementing and making it real? And how do we take that initial use case sort of to market out there? Yeah, I would say, you know, if I simplify what Heisen team have done, they've taken modernization of commodity services. So banks don't want to just go out and build commodities all the time. That's not how we're going to differentiate. So we need to be thinking about what are the different ways that we can create a competitive advantage against everybody else who has a lot of difference in similar products and service offerings. So if we can continue to look and help influence roadmaps and also consume some of those types of services that are truly commoditized and we can go focus on the modernization of the areas that are the biggest possible competitive advantages for us, then there's a lot of value in that type of value problem. I know we didn't have time for this, but do you have a pick by the way in the national championship in college football? I'm a dog. I know you are. I'm a dog. How about them dogs? How about them dogs? All right, thanks for the time guys. Thanks. We really appreciate it. Really great session. We're talking about banking and what's going on at the bottom really is AWS. You're driving things and making it happen. All right, you've been watching theCUBE. Of course, the leader in high tech coverage.


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of the speed of light a cloud of dust and a hearty high oh silver the Lone Ranger with his great horse silver and his faithful Indian companion tanto the mast rider of the planes fought crime and criminals throughout the western United States no man did more to bring law and order to a lawless frontier now return with us to those thrilling days of the early west when eventually at the end of every trail from out of the past come the thundering hoof beats of silver the Lone Ranger rides again two sisters the Crawford girls had a long hard trip from Louisiana into the West Molly the older of the two was rather dignified and stately while the younger Betty was full of life and thrilled with the great new country into which they were traveling as our first scene opens we find the sisters on the last day of their journey there's only one other passenger in the stagecoach with him a man who pays no apparent attention to their lively talk isn't it wonderful I suppose it is Betty but I'm scared half the depth of my hair for Billy there's nothing to be afraid of but the Indian wild animals and everything and we'll travel alone I think you're just trying to frighten me Molly why it isn't like it used to be five years ago out here and it's nothing like it was when Uncle Dan came out here ten years ago just after the war but it's still in the civilized it is too in his last letter Uncle Dan said there were regular cities out here with low courts and everything well if some of the places we pass through are what Uncle Dan meant by cities and I don't think much of them that last one wasn't more on a crossroad with two stars but it doesn't care fair you're just prejudice because that tall good-looking cowboy we met talk more to me than it did to you but you're just impossible that's why I don't think it was wise of you to talk to him as you did when you never met me oh my you actually invite him to come to Bar Square Ranch and see you of course I did we'll be pretty loachy there if it's at all like what Uncle Dan said you'll be busy enough on the ranch without having a lot of worthless cowboys hanging around pardon, senator oh I have not spoken before until now I do not hear you mention the Bar Square yes that's our ranch we are going there now so he's very far from Rancho you are fortunate better to be there no hush out mother I'll talk if I want to you will ride the stage to within five miles at Rancho see that's what we were told to do they're going to be horses there to meet us this annual Daniel Crawford he's related to you he's our uncle he wrote to us and asked us to come out and live on the ranch after mother Dan you have not heard from him since then no why he has died oh oh yes how do you know I know this part of the country very well permit me I'm the senior Pablo Venero I have great ranchers in this country but oh he was shot shot life is most uncertain in this part of the country I'm very sorry to have to be the one to tell these things to you then then Molly we'll have to take over things right away won't we ah I don't know that's Mr. Vanada can tell us what's happened to the ranch since I've been done that is much has happened it is too bad but there was some trouble about the cattle what kind some of it were brands that were not of the Bar Square I do not say that this annual Crawford stole the cattle but he was most fortunate in having many strange cattle come by an accident into his herd don't you dare say my uncle was a cattle thief I say no such thing seniorita who's running the ranch now the Hormones help I do not know but I still am on my way to turn on business that concern the Bar Square you are what is this business Mr. Vanada he's to investigate the legal claims I may have against the Bar Square it is quite possible that I may call on you at a later day see we are not going to have any visitors Mr. Vanada thanks just the same while the two girls and Pablo Vanada continue their journey the Lone Ranger and his faithful Indian companion tanto were carrying out an investigation of their own we see them now in the Bar Square range riding slowly among the scattered cattle observing them closely tanto there's another cow with Pablo's brand we've been riding for only two hours and we've seen no less than a hundred like it not he strange I would have sworn Dan Crawford was no wrestler him good fellow this seems to bear out what Pablo claimed Pablo they ran someday along to him if Dan really stole all these cows Pablo would almost have an honest claim to the Bar Square another cow with Pablo's brand there's something wrong about this not what tanto think Dan Crawford wouldn't have been foolish enough to steal another man's cat without changing their brands even if he were dishonest not right there was never any question about his honesty until he suddenly disappeared Pablo say Dan dead if Dan was killed where's his body and Pablo was the first to spread the story of Dan's death tanto know that Pablo has been in several crooked deals before this nothing could be proved against him even plenty smart fellow I feel sorry for those two girls if he's plotting against them you talk with them I spoke to Betty while she and Molly were waiting for the stage and that's another thing what's that Pablo was waiting for the same stage he might have been looking for an opportunity to get acquainted with them that may be right you sure you heard Pablo say he'd have the Bar Square before long him talk plenty big him say him get ranch soon now and he told that to the sheriff but he couldn't claim the ranch without proof of ownership no matter how many of his cows are found on this Pablo say him show laman proof the only proof he could have would be a deed signed by Dan not right he's got something up his sleeve I wonder what it is Bar Square riders they've seen us, they've stopped their horses I'm shooting them we're leaving tanto I don't want to get close enough to be recognized them breeds they are come on you understand now why I didn't want to be recognized I don't know there were no breeds on this ranch when Dan was here they looked to me like some of Pablo's men from across the border not right that proves something is wrong as long as they don't know us we can keep an eye on them come on Silverberg Molly and Betty saddened by the report of their uncle's death took up their residence in the large Bar Square ranch house we see Molly two days later in the living room she has just heard Betty's hurried steps on the porch outside Molly, what is the excitement Betty? Molly, what do you think? I think you've been running faster than a good boy I was just talking to a half breed and he said Uncle Dan had been a cattle thief I was just talking to him that's why I ran to tell you you don't believe that I don't know he said nearly all the ranches around here got their start that way where did that breed come from? you remember the man we met on the stage Senior Venado? that's the one the man I talked to was with him they ever came just beyond our range what in the world are they doing there? I thought Senior Venado was a rancher I don't really know there's something about business here I guess business? this man I was talking to said most of the cattle uncle stole belonged to Venado he can't be, I just know it can't be oh honest Molly I don't like to believe it myself but who's that? what? what's Pablo? the man we met on the stage the other man's where the stars the sheriff can we come in? of course your sheriff he did not believe the word of Pablo when he told you we should meet again what is your business here? I have the paper to show you a paper? what is so? I don't understand you read the paper it will explain itself give it to me Molly what is it? I'll better just wait I what? why this says that Uncle did the ranch over to Pablo Venado as I told you before I am Senior Pablo Venado no but how? it looks legal enough to me miss according to that they're writing the bar square belongs to Pablo here all right but Uncle wouldn't do a thing like that I'm right sorry but and is it the Senior Crawford who wished to pay me what he owe me? what he owes you? he stole my cattle he started this ranch with what he's mine without what he's still he have nothing Molly it's just what the cowboy was telling me I don't know what to do what to see look here Mr. Pablo or Senior Venado or whatever you call yourself how did you get that paper? your Uncle he write it out when he sees about to die and do not wish to die without paying the debt but where is Uncle? who knows but surely pardon miss but Pablo said two hombres brought in the paper then let out well why would they do a thing like this? shucks that's easy to figure out maybe they were the fellas that shot your Uncle and maybe they figured they'd be hung for it even if they wasn't a blame and you say this paper's legal? looks to me like it oh Barry what do we do? I don't know if only that cowboy I talked to when we were waiting for the stage was here I'll bet he'd know what to do you were pleased to leave this ranch at once oh no you would do as I say or else I'd see it hold on that Pablo I'm backing up your play because you seem to have the right on your side but I ain't going to stand by and let you throw these here girls off the place without no notice thank you Sheriff when I will give you three days when I earn the third day what the? a mess Comrade who are you? let me see that paper an outlaw get out hey Sheriff what is it you want? I look at that paper Miss Crawford but there Sheriff he would destroy it there ain't nothing I can do Pablo here you are I've seen all I need to you didn't even tell me that he's my man there you are you're not going your way what? get out both of you very Sheriff we'll call the men they'll tap to these hombres I'm coming I'll take my chance on that but I have no time to explain have you a copy of your uncle's handwriting? there's a letter that'll do quickly it's on the table here who are you? why are you here? listen to me don't leave the ranch until I see you again but can't you tell us what? not now is that the letter? yes but I don't understand I'll tell you everything later the men are coming after you may I have this letter? yes somehow I feel I can trust you I'll leave by that open window but remember what I said don't give Pablo the ranch before you hear from me Harry you'll be caught steady civil war the curtain falls on the first act of our thrilling lone ranger drama before the next exciting scene please permit us to pause for just a few moments now to continue the story when Molly and Betty Crawford arrived from Louisiana at the bar square ranch owned by their Uncle Dan Crawford they were told that Dan had been shot and also that he had deeded the ranch to Pablo Venado just before his death the lone ranger investigating the circumstances surrounding Dan's disappearance inspected the deed produced by Pablo and warned the girls not to give up the ranch before they heard from him again now as our second act opens we see the masked man and Tonto riding just beyond the bar square range Pablo's camp isn't far from here Tonto Pablo's not there now no this is the day he threatened to take over the ranch I saw him riding the town to get the sheriff but several of his men are in camp they won't join Pablo until the ranch is actually his that's right I still don't believe that Dan Crawford is dead Tonto think you're right if he were dead his body would be found and Pablo's story about getting that deep from men who disappeared right away doesn't ring true you think sheriff crooked no but he was too easily convinced by Pablo you remember when I visited the bar square the other day Tonto remember I saw the paper that Pablo claimed had been written by Dan just before he died what did he say just what Pablo said he did but when I let Pablo and the sheriff leave the ranch house I got a sample of Dan's handwriting why you do that I wanted to compare it with the paper Pablo showed I saw the paper for only a moment but I think it's a clever forgery not bad I told Pablo and the sheriff to get out of the house so that Pablo wouldn't know I was after more of Dan's handwriting oh now we're going to see if we will write about all this Pablo can't not find now yes it's just over the next hill maybe better you leave Tonto now huh you know exactly what you're to do Tonto no ride into their camp tell them the story I suggested I'll be watching to see that you come to no harm Tonto not afraid isn't a royal now ride this way Tonto see you later right come on silver maybe we catch Pablo color him plenty smart white friend of Tonto plenty smart too there there Pablo camp white color and there color named Kiko Tonto talk with you oh me he tell him you no you not listen you get in heap bad trouble what is this news you speak of Kiko who is this Indian wait one it is something of importance you have to say well out with it you know color name Dan Senor Crawford that's right what about him Tonto see him what is that it is impossible Tonto tell truth listen you try to play the trick on Kiko and you will die where is it you see the gringo him ride to town if you have a scare he's still one you are sure you do not make the mistake him big fella where red whisker Senor Crawford has your head mustache Tonto no I'm good what perhaps Pedro let Senor Crawford get away if that is so then Pablo will get in trouble it is for us to make sure say I'm not once Tonto go now you will please not to move one move an eye Kiko will shoot you I will get my horse why you keep Tonto here you know too much you will stay where I can watch you you think Tonto not tell truth that is something it will not take much time to learn and if you have not what then you will die I am ready Kiko good make haste to learn to gringo I've escaped see if you have we must ride the one Pablo if you have not then we shall see where the Indian have tried to trick us now go get up he gave an Indian pray that you have not lied to Chico or if you have it shall be my pleasure to show you what can be done with a knife while Pablo accompanied by the sheriff prepared to take possession of the bar square his servant the breed one was riding away to learn whether or not Dan Crawford had escaped as Tonto claimed you see the other breed Chico as he stands guard over Tonto several hours later why does not one come it should not take him this long to make his journey Tonto think him come now me hear horse not far off it is it is warm him ride plenty fast what what is it you have learned the Indian he lies and your Crawford is safe say Pedro keep watch on him night and day there is no way for him to escape you will see the gringo with your own eyes I saw him talk with him caramba what have you to say Tonto not talk what you will see this knife see how the blade she shines you not scare Tonto and the edge how sharp she is one stroke like this and you know tell no more lies do not waste time talking Chico I waste no more time I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will I will Molly is speaking. Shelf, do we have to leave the ranch? I sure am sorry, Miss, but the three days is up, and I can't make Pablo wait no longer. Rancho is mine. Why should I wait? I wish I could be sure about that. You do not yet believe it? No, I don't. That do not matter. I have the paper, wrote by Samuel Crawford, your uncle. I have the share fair to see that I got what is mine. That is nothing that you can do. I'm afraid he's right, Betty. I see that the two of you get back to town all right. And I will be most happy to pay your fares back to where you came from. We wouldn't take anything from you.  That is for you to decide. We're all packed. Yes, I'll just get the bag. There's a buckboard out in front, Miss. Thank you. I'm so very sorry that you come here only to meet with so great disappointments. But Dan, what would you have? I'm ready. I'll take that bag, Miss. What's under a just seen Dan Crawford riding this way? What's that? You couldn't have Dan's dad. I think I don't know Dan when I see him. He's coming this way with two fellas and big white horses. I do not believe it. If it's really Dan, I'll tell you it is. I've seen him when he was topping the rise over Yonder. He's just like Pablo. Do not move. He's true. Dan's alive. You lie to us, Pablo. Something has gone wrong, but you will not catch Pablo Vinado. Blast you on him. Then raise your arms. Good. Now Miss Malley and Miss Betty, you will work out of this house ahead of me. What are you doing?  Do not hesitate. Otherwise I should be forced to shoot.  But I have. Not much. Well, we'd better do as he says, Malley. One false move will be the last. You can't get away with this, Pablo. I will soon be across the border, and then your law cannot touch me. What the girls? If I am safe, then they will be sent back. If I am followed, then who can say? You wouldn't harm us. Hurry, and maybe I will not. The horses, they're just over there. I'm not very good at riding. Hurry! And I've never ridden anywhere but Sonsettle. Sonsettle, I would... He's already too late. Don't put that gun in there. I will shoot him if it... What is this happening now? Then he's been wrote to. No, no, no, no, no. He's wrong. Let me go. Yeah, good work, Sonsettle. All right. You're all through, Pablo. Nothing you can say will help you now. Sonsettle, get your men. Have them escort this man over the border. Boys, hurry up. Help the mask man. You're what he said. Say, you're the same masked fellow as him the other day? Yes, Sheriff. What's this all about? I can tell you about it, Sheriff. Bye, Garligand, it's sure good to see you again. I figured you was dead a long time ago. Good day. And this is Molly and Betty. But where did you come from? Now hold on, just give me the chance to tell you. Please. It was the mask fellow that got me out of all this alive. Yeah? He was telling me about it all the way here. He had his engine parked till a couple of Pablo's fellas that I got away. They've been holding me prisoner in an old shack back in the hills. Well, I'll be dog-gone. They fell for the engine story and one of them rode over to the shack to make sure I was still there. And then what happened? That's the best part of it. The breed named Chico held on to the engine. But the mask fella, he trailed the other breed and found where I was. The mask fella thought of that? He sure did. He roped them breeds and set me free. Then he brung me here. And just in time, oh, Uncle, we're so glad to see you. Well, just a minute, Dan. I sort of hate to ask it, but what about them cows of Pablo's that's been found on your reign? Sure, to his Pablo, blunder man. Huh? That's a fact. I found that out for myself when he was holding me. They brought him across the border and threw him on my reign just so it looked bad for me. Of all the low-down, sleek and honorary tricks. Well, it don't matter now. Where's the mask man gone to? Hey, you around? There he is. Him and the engine. Wait! Hey, I want to talk to you. I want to be doggone of all the things to do. Save my life and my ranch, then hightail without even waiting to be thanked. He's riding away, Uncle, but he'll never be able to ride so far that we'll forget what he's done for us. The story you have just heard is a copyrighted feature of the Lone Ranger Incorporated.


This month I got an opportunity to be one of the many featured creators at William Osmond's OpenSauce in San Francisco. It was an amazing experience to get to meet some of my fans in person, as well as getting to hang out with all the other creators that were there. Part of the event was a creator museum, which allowed all of the creators to show off some of their projects. But this left me a little stumped on what I should bring myself. A lot of my projects lately have been getting bigger and bigger, not very travel friendly. And besides that, a lot of my videos are above the process and not so much the final results. So I'm not sure how interested people would be in seeing this very crooked 2x4 that I've milled by hand, and my little jar of off-white sugar, or a tiny little letter opener that I smelted from iron ore over several days. But then I thought about the camera project that I started several years ago, and it's gotten a little sidetracked from with the whole reset series. But that's definitely one of my favorite projects I think as a video creator actually making my own camera is very meta and very close to home I think. And with that camera project, the last one I did was making a camera lens, which was probably one of the most challenging projects I've done. And I think it's actually pretty impressive the results I did get. Although looking back at it, I feel like I really undersold it, and I just kind of had a couple shots of the image projected onto some grainy glass. I've always kind of felt like I could get a bunch better results, just a little bit more work. So I thought this would make an interesting opportunity to re-approach this project, fix some of the issues, and produce a really interesting interactive experience for any fans who are able to make it to open sauce. My camera lens project was probably one of the biggest and most challenging projects I've undertaken. Because it not only is the final result of the long-running challenge I faced in trying to make optically clear glass, something that took countless attempts, collaborations, and mineral gathering trips to finally find a working solution. While making glass is actually kind of easy, making optically clear glass takes a lot more than just heating sand. Spoiler, borax is a pretty incredible flux that can lower glass's melting point drastically, and combined with a few other techniques I learned along the way, finally allowed me to make clear glass. But even with clear glass, that was just the first step in making a working camera lens. Getting some help with the design, three pieces of glass need to be manually ground to specific curvatures, using custom made metal molds with the inverse of the curvature. These were used to slowly grind down the lenses into the exact shape using an abrasive powder, and then slowly worked it up into a clear polish. The end result was, I would say, success, but I feel like it's a little bit underwhelming. So let's revisit this project and see if I can make some improvements. So the first improvement I'm going to make is an actual image sensor. The eventual goal for this is to make my own film, but that is the kind of last step and the most challenging of the process that's been a little bit out of reach so far. But for now, I want to be able to instantly view my image both so people at OpenSauce can instantly review that photo and have a copy of it, but also so I can instantly review my own image quality as I tweak and improve the lens and other parts of the camera. The image sensor is basically going to take the place of the film, and if you're familiar with the camera, the image is basically projected onto the back of it. This is basically the camera obscura, a phenomenon that is the basis of a camera. We did a whole thing when we built the first pinhole camera. But then that image is then reacted to on a photosensitive plane that records the image as film. But for digital purposes, the process is pretty much exactly the same. It's just a digital sensor that records the image. But the challenge is that most digital cameras actually have really tiny sensors. My camera is actually large format as most early forms of camera were.  They do, however, make large sensors to convert large format cameras, but they're pretty expensive. A little bit out of budget for this. However, I did find a cheaper alternative, which is to take a photo scanner and attach it to the back of the camera and scan the ground glass plane, basically making a large format camera sensor. So using some duct tape and a box, I was able to rig up a pretty simple camera here with a lens, do some test batches with a full size scanner. The results are actually pretty promising. So I think this is going to work. The problem is, the scanner is pretty slow. So for somebody to take the photo with it, you basically have to stand still while it scans the entire thing. When really it only needs a small section of it. Then I chose the scanner because it has a supposed scan to cloud feature. So I was hoping I wouldn't have to actually plug this to a computer and I could just have this connected to the Wi-Fi, press the button, scans it online, and then it can get published. However, it doesn't actually seem to work that way. You still have to have it connected to a computer apparently for it to even turn on. So that was a little disappointing. So then I found that there's a scanner that's basically exact size that I need. This is like a very quick document scanner for like getting your ID and whatnot scanned very quickly. It has the advantage that it has a very small scan area and can do it very quickly. It allows you to basically scan the photo a little bit quicker. It's still pretty slow though, but this had some weird artifacts with like a line. The result was just not that good. I'm definitely managing to get the results, but for making something that's easy to use on site at the event is not quite working out because both of these have to be plugged into some form of computer. So then I was going down a round hole possibly using a Raspberry Pi, and then I realized, I mean what is a scanner? I was just taking an image or document. So ultimately the best result I found was to put a camera pointed towards the ground glass where the image is being projected onto by the lens and then just take an image using that. Basically it's a scanner and that's connected to the Raspberry Pi. We have it hooked up to just be a little program so that people can just press the button, get a photo, we'll get a preview, they'll take it, upload it to Instagram. And this has a lot of advantages. It's a lot smaller, it's quicker. You can actually do a live preview. This is basically going to be a sensor and then we're just going to put the ground glass on top. And previously I've used actual ground glass, but that tends to leave a lot of artifacts because it's not consistently diffused. Apparently a good source of a diffuse screen is from an old LCD screen, which I happen to have a busted one that's been sitting around. It should offer a nice, finely grained, consistently diffused image that will be projected on here from the camera obscura. Hopefully give us a much better image. One more thing that can improve the image is the addition of a Fresnel lens. This is basically a magnifying glass and this should hopefully kind of even out the amount of light that hits our sensor here and a little bit more consistent of an image. Might get some texturing from it. We'll see how well that impacts it. But first, thank you to BetterHelp for sponsoring this video. 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Oh yeah, and you'll also get 10% off your first month when you click that link below. Probably one of the most obvious flaws with the camera lens, at least visually, is that the outer element ended up cracking. Unfortunately, in the very final stages of finishing this up after hours of labor, it ended up flying off of the little lathe that we put together and shattered into several pieces. I was able to glue it back together and finish polishing it, and the result is actually surprisingly better than you would expect. At this point, I can't see the artifacts of the cracks. A crack in the outer element isn't the most noticeable. So I'm going to try carbon shield repair. Got right here, and it's a resin that has the same refractive index as glass. So it fills the crack, and makes it pretty much invisible. I think we can at least reduce some of this crackage, and hopefully when I have a little bit more time, I can redo this lens and make a brand new one that isn't cracked at all. It didn't end up making too big of an impact because the crack had already been glued together and the resin couldn't get all the way in. I probably could have gotten a better result if I broke it apart again and cleared up the old glue, but I didn't really want to risk making things worse on accident. We have the sensor rigged up with the ground glass, and then we have our lenses here, kind of with the temporary testing mount here. This is basically a little rudimentary camera now for testing. But notice I'm only using the inner two lenses, and that's kind of the nice thing about this lens of the three elements. You can actually ditch the third one and still use it. So I'm just going to test these first two lenses and get that to a clear image, and putting that up with our new setup. I feel like we've already gotten a pretty clear image I tested with and without the Fresnel lens. It's not a huge difference, but the Fresnel definitely brightens it up at least a little bit on the edges. We have some very heavy vignetting. I think if we can get the last lens on there, that will improve it. Everything looks pretty clear so far, just visually. There's no, there's a few scratches and smudges that can be cleaned off pretty easily, but for the most part it looks pretty clear. Kind of surprising how blurry the image comes out, although it is a lot better already, but I think we just need to get it that final polish. So previously I just used serum oxide and some stuff that Glassboard given us. I don't really know what like particle size it was, so I bought some more with some very specific sizes and we have optical grade, and I think that's probably gonna be hopefully what brings us to a whole new sharpness, just the extra polish with an even finer grit. We might be able to remove some of the fuzziness, the kind of compounds between all the lenses, because with this there's one, two, three, four, five, six different layers of glass that need to all be crystal clearly polished. Polish up these inner ones, see if we can get any major improvement, and then move on to the large one, and hopefully we can get some crystal clear photos. I ended up not taking the best reference photos for before and after, but I was able to notice a pretty decent improvement to the image quality and got a much sharper image, although still not quite perfect. One other shortcoming of my lens that I made before was the extra housing of it, which ended up casting out of copper, which proved to be pretty big difficulty, and wound up with this hulking seven pound lens that is telephoto, but somehow was supposed to be attached to the camera at this point, where seven pounds to rip it off. This thing, I never really found practical way to use it besides just like mounting it on its own stand in front of the camera. I think just overall it was not the best design for this option. So I ended up looking at some other historical lenses that are also made out of brass, and found some interesting examples that look really cool, and one thing I noted is that they tended to have the largest part of the housing is what's attached to the camera, and then the inner parts are what zooms out and in. So I took that design and adjusted it to fit my lenses, and came up with a little bit of a prototype that I could 3D print and see if it would work. Eventually I wanted to cast us an actual brass, but for now I just printed it in 3D filament brass just because I need to have it ready in time for open sauce. I used the actual bellows from the previous pinhole camera that I made before, and that covered the area around it and everything. I had everything together and was just about ready to do one final test before I pack up and head out, and the SD card stopped working. That's the whole thing with Raspberry Pis is it doesn't take much and you're gonna corrupt your SD card. So now I have a fresh install, and after redo all of my programming and customization, so that's fun. That's a lot of fun.  Yeah, I got it all set up, otherwise you press the button, takes your photo, uploads it to Instagram, and I'm very frustrated that it looks like some little thing could very easily go wrong and derail all of this effort. If it goes crossed, nothing else goes wrong. I fully intended to get more footage of the camera up and running at open sauce, but there was just so much going on at the whole event. I didn't end up getting too much besides a couple creeper shots from when I was secretly watching people from above. I actually ended up working out. I had a close call when I was just before I left, I couldn't get the camera on the Raspberry Pi to even connect, and I thought I'll always be much lost. I wasted all my time trying to put this together, but I ended up just replacing the ribbon and had it up and running. I did end up having to program it while I was there and everything, but it actually ended up working out pretty well. The only real issue was the uploading process and then I ran into a little bit of an issue, getting the photos to actually post on Instagram like my original plan was, but did end up getting all the photos. In the end, I had over 500 people press the button and take their photo. I thought that was pretty cool to offer people the opportunity to actually use one of the things I made and I think a little bit better result than if I'd say brought a sword. The end result of the lens and all these improvements is I think pretty drastic. It's still kind of blurry, can't seem to get super crisp. The polishing of it did seem to make a pretty big difference. Possibly you could just keep doing that more and more, but there did seem to be some diminishing return as I continued to polish it. So beyond that, I'm not entirely sure why it isn't any crisper than it is. Compared to the image that I had before in my previous video, I think it's pretty significant improvement. So in that regard, I actually feel pretty satisfied with the result. I think we are able to get images where I can actually see a person and see their face and recognize them. Definitely steal some room for improvement, but I think it's been a great opportunity to go back, revisit this project and make some improvements and get kind of reacquainted with it. I do have to say this brought a bit of a reminder of just the major headache. This camera lens project was and just trying to revisit it and do all of this, especially under tight deadline, has been not not the most fun. I'm really hoping to get into actually making the film. Hopefully soon there are some significant obstacles that need to be overcome before that, but I really would like to do the last step of this project and make a fully working camera. So hopefully I can get to that soon. Thank you to all of my supporters on Patreon. Without Gio, this wouldn't be possible. Thanks for watching. If you enjoyed this video, be sure to subscribe and check out other content we have covering a wide variety of topics. Also, if you've enjoyed these series, consider supporting us on Patreon. We are largely a fan-funded channel and depend on the support of our viewers in order to keep our series going. Thanks for watching.


Adventures in Time and Space, transcribed in future tense. When the first space rocket lands on Mars, what will we find? Will we be welcomed with open arms or will the Martians treat us as invaders? Only one thing is certain. Someday a giant metal ship will take off from Earth to travel through the black velocities, as the silent gulfs of space to descend at last into the darkness of the upper Martian atmospheres. And on that day, man will finally know the answers. The day we first land on Mars. Now hear this. Now hear this. Approaching critical deceleration. Fastened gravity suits. Stand by the land. Mr. Lustig, what do you make of the terrain? There seems to be a heavy ground, Miss Captain. We won't be able to use our infrared lights. And we'll have to come in on radar. Wasn't that a little risky, sir? Landing in the dark? I'd rather run the danger of a blind landing, Lieutenant, than come in without the cover of darkness. Remember, we don't know what kind of reception is waiting for us down there. Air speed 500. Altitude now 4,000. Bridge to engine room. Stand by for deceleration. Engine room, aye. Fire forward tubes 1 and 3. Aye. Skid's down. Skid's checked. Altitude 500, 4, 350, 3. Hop a point now. Alright, let's set her down. Look out! Cut the power. Masters pipe battle stations. Aye, sir. I'll secure it, sir. Well, we're on Mars, April 20th, 1987. 433, Greenwich time. Enter that in the log, Masters. Aye, sir. Well, gentlemen, it's less than two hours till dawn. As soon as it's light, we'll send out a landing party. Masters, get me an all-over hookup. All set, Captain. Now hear this. Now hear this. Alright, men. The smoking lamp is lit. We're 17 men on an alien world. And it's up to us whether we ever get home again. Next few hours should tell the story. And I want instant obedience to all commands. I'll court Marshal the first man who doesn't jump to when he's ordered. And one other thing. We may be on Mars, but this is still the United States Naval vessel. Officers will conduct a personal and weapons inspection in one hour. And so... Inspection, Captain, now? Mr. Lustig, we've got an hour and a half to sweat out before we find out what's outside that airlock. And rather have a man worried about his stripes. About what's waiting outside on Mars. Hear this. Landing party report to forward airlock. Captain Black, Lieutenant Hinkston, Lieutenant Lustig, and Dr. Horst report immediately to forward airlock. It is now landing time minus five. Sounds like they're paging us, Hinkston. You ready, Dr. Horst? Yes. Ready as I'll ever be. Oh, come on. Let's report to the airlock. It's time to go. Where's the Captain? Who knows? What difference does it make? Just want to get it over with, that's all. Is anybody, uh, got a cigarette? I think you're smoking too much, Lieutenant Lustig.  Wondering what's hidden outside underneath that ground mist? Very unusual planet, Mars. Why? It has an atmosphere. Wonderful thing, an atmosphere. Well, you'll find one, you'll find life. You mean Martians? What do you think they'll look like? Who knows? Intelligent life can take many forms. You mean they may have green skins and eyes on stalks or something? The comic book conception is possible. Or they may have developed a point that is far beyond us. Perhaps they have a science that can produce weapons far more dangerous than our atomic missiles. You think we may have to fight our way out? After all, we are invaders. Now hear this landing time minus two, landing time minus two. All right, all right, we heard this. I know what I'd like to find outside that airlock. Good old Illinois. You ever been there Lustig? Only in Chicago. Well, you ought to see my hometown.  Sounds like my hometown. My grandmother used to have one of those iron deers on the lawn. Every Halloween we'd paint another color.  What does your family live of us? I have no family. When I was a child, they were gassed to death in the Dachau concentration camp. That's tough. Oh, it has its advantages. I have no ties on earth, nothing to lose now. I imagine I'm the only one on board who is free to enjoy our present peculiar position. All right, Lustig. We'll button it up now. Aye, sir. Now gentlemen, in one minute we'll be the first men to set foot on Mars. Quite an honor, eh? As long as the metals are not watered posthumously. Still uneasy, Dr. Horst? Captain Black, I have been uneasy ever since I can remember. On earth and on Mars. Well, 30 seconds. Give me the intercom phone, Lustig. Masters? Aye, sir. Battle stations will be manned till we return. If we're not back in two hours, I want no rescue parties sent out. Blast off and say the ship, you understand? Aye, sir. All right, gentlemen. Five seconds. Four. Three. Two. One. Lustig, open the outer airlock. Fresh air. Let's go. Hold on. It's too dark to move fast. Quiet, isn't it? Not even a wind. You can't see anything through this ground, Miss. Quiet. You don't know what's out here. Come on. I could swear that sound like a rooster. I don't hear it anymore. Very unlikely sound. A rooster crowing on Mars. Kingston, set that machine gun 25 yards to the flank. We'll stay here till the ground mist lifts. Aye, aye, sir. What do you make of the ground, Horst? Grass. Plain grass. You could see some large foliage. There were the mists then down here. What do I hate to say it? Kingston!  Some kind of wild animal I hid it. I could see the tracers, but it's still standing. Come on, Horst. Doctor, Doctor, where are you? Up ahead. Admiring the wild animal. Careful, Horst. Wait for us. Don't worry, Captain. It's an iron deer. A lawn ornament. That's impossible. It's hollow. Interesting, isn't it? A whitewashed Victorian iron deer. Sitting on a lawn in the middle of Mars. I don't understand. Look around. The mists lifting. Captain, look there. A house, a regular old-fashioned house. I'm Mars. Good lord. I haven't seen carves, scrolls and gingerbread like that in years. Look at that port's swing. The geraniums. I told you it was a rooster, Captain. Give me the glasses, Lustig. I want to take a look through that front window. What? There's an upright piano. Some sheet music on it. Lustig, it's beautiful Ohio. Beautiful Ohio? That can't be. Look here, Horst. Do you think that civilizations of two planets could be identical? I don't know. That specific variety of geraniums is only 50 years old on Earth. Is it logical they should develop in Mars? How about that port swing, that piano and beautiful Ohio? No, it's impossible, Captain Black. This looks like the town I was born in. Well, it looks like my hometown, too. I've thought of something, sir. It's the only solution. Maybe we're not the first ship to reach Mars from Earth. That's the only answer. That's impossible, Lustig. There've been space travel that couldn't be secret. Do you have any idea what ships cost, what industrial power is needed? There's got to be some logical reason. Captain. I think perhaps we might find out. The light just went on in that house. Kingston, cover that door with a machine gun. Aye, aye, sir. Come on, Horst. Bring that doorbell. There's got to be a scientific answer to all of this. There's something moving in there. Stand back, Horst. Give me a clear shot. Maybe a Martian. Help you? We... We were looking... Well, if you're selling anything, it's much too early. No, no. Wait, wait a minute. What... What town is it? What do you mean? Are you sent to stay here? No, we're strangers here. We want to know how this town got here. Is this a game? No, no, it's not a game. We're from Earth. From where? From Earth. Do you mean out of the ground? Hey, are... Are you sure you're feeling where? Madam, we came in a flying ship across space. We're from the third planet. This is... This is Mars. Now do you understand? Mars.  I'll call my husband from upstairs and he'll chase you now. But this is Mars, isn't it? This is Green Lake, Wisconsin, in the United States of America. Bounded on the east by the Atlantic and on the west by the Pacific. No, no, no. Go away. Goodbye. Horst, do you suppose it's really possible? I've got to find out more about this. For the last time, now go away. Pardon me, madam. What year is this? Year? Well, 1928, of course. Who's that gonna say? You hear that, Horst? And we know it's 1987. And we know it's Mars. Is it possible that we got fouled up, made some tremendous blunder and circled around and landed back on Earth? In 1928? Maybe some switch in time or dimension. Could we have shifted somehow and gone backward in time? Horst, it won't hold water. It's not logical. We've checked every mile. We went past the moon and out into space. We're on Mars. Find out anything, Captain. No, we're going back to the ship till I figure out some logical explanation for all this. Lustig, out at point. Aye, sir. Hinkston in the rear. Keep that gun at half-lives. Aye, sir. Horst, there's got to be some cold, logical solution. Captain, Captain. What? That house down the street. The white one with the green shutters. Lustig, what's the matter? I never thought. I never thought. Thank God. Lustig, Lustig, come back here. He's running for that house.  Lustig, stop. Come down off of that porch. Grandma and Grandpa, it is you. Lustig, what's going on here? Albert, why, it's been so many years. How have you grown, boy? Oh, it's so good to see you. Lieutenant Lustig. Oh, oh, Captain. Grandma, I want you to meet my friend. This is Captain Black. Captain, I want you to meet my grandpa. Howdy. Any friends of Albert, he's a friend of ours. How long you been here, Grandma? Oh, good many years. Ever since we died. Ever since you what? Oh, yes, sir. They've been dead 30 years. What? You mean to tell me that Mars is heaven? Oh, nonsense. No. All we know is here we're alive again. And who are we to question God's infinite ways? Lustig, we're going back to the ship. But, Captain, I want to talk to my grandpa. Lieutenant Lustig, I don't like any part of this. You'll come back with us. I have to club you and carry you. But, sir, they're my... Heaven only knows what they've run up against back at the ship. Come with a celebration? Celebration, they've abandoned ship. Every port is open. No guard's there. You, you, master. Hi, you, Captain. Meet my old dad, Dad. That's Captain Black. And he's not a bad guy for an officer. Abolvi. Hinkston. What's it? Bring that man back. Use force if you have to. Excuse me, sir. I'll be right back, Captain. What's the devil's voice? Don't you understand, sir? They've all found friends and relatives. They're all here. He's right, Captain. I've counted. The whole crew's out in the crowd. But I gave orders, definite orders. You don't understand, Captain. I understand mutiny. I don't care how many relatives show up. I'll have discipline. John! Johnny! Johnny, you old son of a gun. Edward. Edward. It's you. It can't be. Of course it is. Johnny, you old son of a gun. Ed. Edward. Dr. Horst. This is my brother, Edward. How do you do? Hello. It's wonderful to see you, Edward. Look, I've got to get back to my ship. Hey, I almost forgot. Mom's waiting at home. Mom? Dad, too. Mom? Dad are alive? Excuse me, Horst. Then you're real, Ed. Don't I feel real? How's that, huh? Ed. Ed, we've got lunch for you, Johnny. Mom's making corn fritters. Corn fritters? Dr. Horst, haven't you found anybody? No, Captain. I have nobody. Then you come on home with me, right, Ed? Sure you bet. Horst, you wouldn't believe it, but it's been 35 years since I had Mom's corn fritters. Bye, George. 35 years. There's plenty more in the kitchen, so don't hold back, Johnny. You too, Dr. Horst.  That's right, Dad. I'm in command of the ship. And we're an old Navy family, Dr. Horst. All three of our boys in the service. Ed was the best pilot in the Pacific. What didn't happen, Ed? Oh, it's a difference. I'm here now. Oh, you know, it's almost perfect. All we're missing is your brother, Will. Then the whole family could be together. Well, it won't be long, Mom. We're on the edge of the XR-54. That's the next rocket coming out to Mars. Well, little Will. When does he leave, Johnny? Take off scheduled for September, but it depends on what we report. Well, there's no question about that now. Christmas together again. That'll be something, huh? Yes, sir. Well, this calls for a celebration. How about a little of the old dandelion wine, Ed, Johnny? Now, Father, don't you go giving Johnny too much wine.  Well, sir, isn't everything just fine? Just fine. Well, Doctor Horace, what do you think of my little family? Very nice. You know, I can't understand why you didn't find any folks here, Doctor Horace.  I never remembered my family, Mrs. Black. All I know is they were gassed at Dachau during the Second World War. When I was liberated, I was a delirium three months. I cannot remember anything before then. The psychiatric phenomenon. That's terrible. Isn't there anything anybody can do? I don't want to remember. Oh. That of pleasant life. I prefer to be free of emotional entanglement to interfere with a scientific approach. I'm sorry, Doctor Horace. I'll get it, staying along in three shorts. I remember that. Well, maybe we'd better call it a night. You must be getting tired, Johnny. I better be going back to the ship. Oh, nonsense. You stay the night. Are we in sin? I just couldn't rest thinking of you all alone on that ship. I'll be all right. Well, good night. Wait a minute, Doctor Horace. That phone message was for you. Me? Yes, that's right. A message from Anna. Anna? I don't remember any Anna. She asked if you were better. Perhaps she's someone you knew at Dachau. Anna? She said she's coming over here first thing in the morning. So you'll have to stay over. Well, that settles it then. You stay here, Horst. You can bunk with me in my old room. Oh, but Johnny, we thought you'd like to be with Edward. So you could talk the way you used to. Well, we can't put Doctor Horst on the day bed. I think we'd better share the room tonight. There'll be plenty of time for talking, Ed. I guess so. Well, I suppose I'd better drop back to the ship. You know Ed, security check. Why do you have to do that here? Well, I don't know. There's no good reason, I guess. Well, I suppose we skip it tonight. Oh, sure. Good night, everybody. Oh, it's good to have you home, Johnny. It's good to be home now. Got them back. Are you asleep? No. I just been thinking about what we were expecting. Green-skinned Martians with eyes on the stalks. All the time there was only Mom and Dad and Edward waiting. Well, it's funny what tricks your imagination can play on you. Yeah, I guess Mars is heaven, Horst. Hmm, I've been thinking about Martians, too. Captain, just suppose, suppose there were Martians and they saw us land. Suppose they thought of us as invaders. What would be the best weapon they could use against our atom bombs? I don't see what you're getting at. They would want to disarm us first, to wipe out all suspicion, to make us feel at home. But suppose this house isn't real. Suppose the people are just images stolen from our own memories by Martians, created for us by telepathy, hypnotism. That's the craziest theory I ever heard. Maybe that's why there was no one for me, because in all my life there is no happy memory, no real loved person. How about that phone call from Anna? Yes. Anna. I don't remember who she was, but I do now. I just remembered. When I was freed from Dachau, sick and delirious, I raved about a wonderful kind nurse named Anna that took care of me. Sure, there you are. It's logical. She's coming to see you tomorrow. But there was no Anna. I'd be nursed by a man. What? Anna. There's only a dream. And there's only one way they could have learned about her. By reading my subconscious mind. But that's impossible, Horace. Why? The whole crew was thinking of home. Suppose the Martians read our minds. But there are Martians. If there are, they have a separated. Each man in a different house, trusting. No one at the guns. Look at my pistol downstairs. Do you think there's something to this horse? It's a... who would suspect his own mother, his grandparents. How easy. Just a knife in the heart of each sleeping man. It's impossible, Horace. We've got to get back to the ship. Listen, the crickets have stopped. We don't know when they change back to. Whatever they really are. Where are you going, John? Ed. Well, we... We wanted to drink a water. That's all, Ed. You're not thirsty, John. You don't want a drink. You don't want a drink. His face! It's changing! And his hands! He's a Martian! Run, Horace! Run! You can't get away, John! This way, Horace! Where are you? I'm calling from Mars. I've locked myself in the ship, but they've crippled it. I can't take off or fire the guns, and they're coming for me now. The Martians! I'm all alone here. All the rest are dead. Hanks and Lustig. Dr. Horace. Poor Horace. He didn't even reach the door. Listen. Listen. They're trying to break through the hall now. Edward and Mom and Dad and all the folks. But they're changing now. Melting and changing back into their Martians. Can you understand me? Martians are not men. They made us think that Mars was heaven. We fell into the trap. You hear me, Earth? You've got this. Tell my brother will. Tell my brother will not to come. They'll trap him too. Like Dimension X has presented and transcribed the Ray Bradbury story, Mars is Heaven. Adapted for radio by Ernest Kenoy. Featured players were Wendell Holmes as Captain Black and Peter Cappell as Dr. Horace. Your narrator, Norman Rose. Music by Albert Berman. Engineer, Bill Chambers. Dimension X is produced by Van Woodward and directed by Edward King. Robert Warren speaking. In a moment, Dimension X. This is NBC, the national broadcasting company.


Hi, she was seven. I'm back so I Always see in the comments on my videos from men What do women have to bring to the table besides sex? Okay, a man asks this question over and over and over and I've read this question so many times That I finally came up with the ultimate answer Okay, so first of all ladies If you brought everything to the table except for sex, they would not be interested in you. Okay So if a man asks you well, what do you bring to the table besides sex? So, you know what? I'm not bringing sex to the table.  And then they're going to regret ever asking you that question because now they're not going to be interested in you more anymore. Why? The ultimate answer because men love Logina more than they love women. Okay, this is it. This is the answer Men do not love what a woman can bring to the table. They love Women's vagina. Okay, if Women said look, I'm going to bring What you exactly what you bring to the table except sex. I'm taking sex off the table I don't believe in premarital sex Or sex outside of any type of relationship that's going somewhere with the future. I cannot give that to you I'm sorry, but I can you know, I can be a good girlfriend with no benefits and They will quickly change their tune. They will then realize it will click in their head that dang What she just took sex off the table and I'm no longer interested in her at all I'm no longer interested in this woman because she's taken sex off the table. So now ladies now, you know exactly Why men say that because they want sex plus all those other things, okay? Now if you take one thing away, they are disinterested in you If you take that one thing away, they don't want you So, you know that it's the most valuable thing that you have to offer Okay, so This is why that question makes no sense for men.   So or so she says So obviously those relationships aren't working out. She's not bringing sex to the table. She's bringing everything else She's a good girl. She's pretty. She has a career. She has her own money, but she's just not giving up sex. So guess what? The relationships don't work out why Because that is what men value more than they value the actual woman. So until you guys Until you guys out there Start valuing the woman more than you value the vagina Then yes, that is all we're gonna have to offer you because you don't deserve the rest You don't deserve the rest and unless you can put a ring on it Unless you can provide for it unless you can bring home the bacon for it unless you Can earn it basically so Yes, ladies when they ask you this question next time and please y'all Y'all please pass this video around make it go viral because I'm tired of men asking this question Make it go viral, please Not because it's gonna benefit me, but it's because it's gonna benefit you in the long run Okay So men stop asking that question because as soon as we take it off the table you're on to the next one. Okay Believe me.  Okay, it's not free I think I saw a t-shirt that said that P blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Why is not free? Okay? I'm just telling you because you value it so much you have driven up It's value.  We see straight through it and we'll just say okay We'll take six off the table. No problem. I Got you. I'll pay for your dinner, but you're not getting anything from it.  We can be girlfriend and boyfriend.   All right. I'll see you


So, of course, Eric mentioned a number of things that I was going to talk about, and a lot of that is in a timeline slide that I actually took out over the weekend because as I was practicing my talk it was running too long, but I'll put it up at the very end so you can see the detailed timeline. Most of the purpose of this presentation is just to give you a little bit better feeling of how we chose the scope of the agenda today and how we've been thinking about it up to now, who's been involved and sort of sneaking in a little bit more programmatic context so you so you know what else we're doing that might impinge on this. Then I'd like to just walk through the agenda just very briefly. There are a lot of people to thank. I have a personal note and then we'll get into logistics and then move right into the first talks. So, as Eric mentioned, why now? Well, the science is changing. The technology has always been changing. There's a lot more, at least compared to four years ago, a lot more infrastructure, including data resources and analysis tools that support some of the democratization that's happened in the spread. The community is very different. Certainly four years ago we were hearing very little about clinical applications and it's practically all we hear about now, including on radio and TV ads almost every day around here. It is a different era. Federal budgets are flat or a little bit worse. Actually, that hasn't changed since four years ago. But there is more talk around NIH about merits of centrally planned efforts versus investigator-initiated efforts and whether NIH has that balance correct. Very reasonable discussion. So, how do we come up with what's on the agenda? Well, we knew that from the beginning that we wanted to involve the community. So, thank you all for coming. We hope a lot of the community are listening in or watching the webcast and will send us comments. We got a bunch of advice from our council over the period of two council rounds. Very interesting discussions. And we took away the next three points from those council discussions that we ought to acknowledge our history but not be bound by it. And Eric mentioned some of that. The agenda should not be about the existing program per se but I'm going to sneak in some background about the existing program in the next few slides. But we shouldn't be about it. The agenda should include topics that are proximate to sequencing and could raise new scientific opportunities for exploring genomic problems at scale, as Eric mentioned. So, these are the four components of our current program, just shown as rough bubbles. The numbers in the middle are the approximate amount of millions of dollars they were funded in this fiscal year. Some of these funds for CSER and CMG are co-funding from NCI and from NHLBI, respectively. And it's just pasted up against the axis of our current strategic plan. I think Eric went through what all these programs do. And as he mentioned, the large scale sequencing and analysis centers bring in lots and lots of different projects. There are other projects, other programs that are going on in NHGRI that are closely related, closely or more distantly related but in the spirit of being proximate, I do want to show them. So, there's a large sequencing informatics program that has a lot of sequencing informatics in it. There's ClinGen, a relatively new data resource for interpretation of variants in the clinical context. Everybody knows about the technology development program. That's certainly related over here on the left. There are at least three functional genomics programs that probably are going to come up, at least in spirit, in the discussion today. Everyone's familiar with ENCODE, who recently introduced genomics of gene regulation and in an effort to understand better how to analyze potentially functional variants. Over here on the right are a number of programs in the science of medicine that have some proximate relationship to sequencing. Some of them actually have sequencing as part of those programs. They're about half of this size now. They could potentially double in the next year. We decided, as Eric mentioned, not to include a number of things in the agenda, both because there's an awful lot to discuss over the next two days and because they're on different timelines. All the informatics has its own center of gravity now, including reconciling with BD2K. Technology development is not being evaluated in this workshop, but we know that both of these topics will come up. Again, as Eric mentioned, a lot of the clinical stuff, a lot of clinical topics are on a longer timeline, but we do expect and we have included them explicitly in the agenda because they're so intimately associated. I told you that I didn't want to talk about the programs and we don't want this workshop to be about the programs. Here, I've just unmapped them from the programs per se and displayed them as idealized blobs with topics. These really are the topics of this workshop. I think we have these preconceptions of what these should be. I should say a little bit more. There's another thing that's on the agenda explicitly and Eric mentioned it in his seven characteristics. I have a slightly different take on it. As Eric mentioned, this workshop is about what can or should be done at scale. There really have been two scaled efforts at NHGRI. I've had two kinds of deliverables. I do want to reiterate this. They're the answers to the scientific questions that required scale to address. For example, for a common disease study, the specific variants underlying are associated with that common disease. There are also these durable goods. Some people call them foundational deliverables. These are the resource parts. High quality comprehensive resources, developed technologies, approaches, project designs, analysis methods, policies, even file formats that become widely used, all of those things that make something a community resource project. Those are the kinds of things that should be discussed in relation to every one of these scientific topics as they come up during the workshop. To briefly walk through the agenda, this morning will be talks mostly covering the current state of the science, what the current important questions are. We hope that the breakouts start to push into what is important to do in the next four to five years. This evening, we're going to keep you late for some very exciting challenge talks, which ideally will be examples of large scale projects that have not been addressed or in danger of not being addressed in the current way that NHGRI is thinking, either because it hasn't come up scientifically or because there's something about the way we organize our programs that's inhibitory towards it, but it really makes sense to be a kind of thing we should do. Then tomorrow we'll have breakout reports. By this time, we're counting on some scientific ideas crystallizing and we hope in the next quarter of the meeting, the final quarter of the meeting, to bring you into the program director's world and start asking you about pros and cons of different ways of implementing possible programs. I'll get up again and say a bit more about this before that part starts, but at that point we have to try to remap the ideas onto programs. So I have a lot of people to acknowledge, a lot of people to thank, the National Advisory Council for Human Genome Research, the scientific advisors to the genome sequencing program who meet quarterly to evaluate progress and have been doing that as talking with Bill before the session started 1999 or 1998, something like that, maybe even earlier. NHGRI leadership, and I particularly want to flag Mark and Jane who couldn't be here. This is the first of these workshops they couldn't be at having had the good timing to retire a couple of months ago. I really want to thank all the members of the sequencing team who were listed here, especially want to single out Shannon who has done the lion's share of the organizational work. I want to thank her and also mention Elise Feingold and Mike Payson who were recruited into this because of the functional side. I just want to make a personal note about advice and what I'm personally hoping for. So this is one of my favorite fortunes ever and not because I won the lotto. But I actually got this fortune I think two or three meetings ago, five or ten years ago, a dinner after the meeting and it was an interesting meeting with a lot of outspoken people. So we do want you to jar our ears. We don't expect that we've anticipated everything. Don't be shy. The only thing that we ask is that when you state a strong preference, you be very careful to give us the reason why. Because at the end of the day when we try to synthesize all the advice and everything we've been asked to do, frequently the rationale is what survives and what gives us the best guidance about what to do at the time we're making the decisions. So I did say I would show the timeline. This is the timeline for the four different components of the genome sequencing program. And here we are at the little blue bar program evaluation workshop. You can see that the different programs have slightly different different endings and the gray box is when roughly we would have to issue any solicitations related to this workshop coming out of this workshop. And there is a council meeting in September when any concepts will be discussed in open session. So before I move on to any of the logistics issues, do you have any questions? Comments? All right, if not, running through them quickly. The registration desk will be manned by capital consulting throughout if you have any questions, talk to them. Please talk to them if you need to taxis tomorrow, or any other transportation needs. If you got a reimbursement voucher, please return it within 30 days of the workshop. If you need another one, please see the registration desk. Presentations need to be loaded ahead of time. Please talk to Shannon or me or the people in the back about loading them. Name badges. Your name badges for many of you have your breakout assignment on them already. If you don't have a breakout assignment, it's because most likely you are an NIH or other federal government employee. We didn't we didn't assign you. You may attend the breakouts, but I asked that you be aware that breakout one and breakout three are very full. And please leave the seats for those who have been assigned. Food. There is a list of restaurants in your folder. There is a restaurant in the front. There is coffee up front. If you bought, if you purchased any of the meals for the meeting, they are over there in the next room. Please bring your meal tickets when you go. Hotel checkout tomorrow is at noon. You have all seen that there is free Wi-Fi. And please don't leave personal items or electronic devices in the meeting room if you are going to leave for any extended period of time. Any questions about logistics? All right. So that's it. So we're not going to have individualized introductions for the first four speakers, but I will quickly introduce them here. Mike Banky is up first from the University of Michigan, followed by Rod McInnis from Lady Davis Institute, then Dan Roden from Vanderbilt, and then Joe Ecker from the SOC.


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No It's almost the exact same thing as you literally just get one of the 20 cards So it's the same as buying a personal the only difference would be that this is kind of like a more entertaining style of doing it As we are literally going to look at all 20 cards first and then you find out which one you get via the randomizer So kind of more of a build up doing it this way Comparatively to just a quick one box personal what a start there on a Frank Thomas you go That's gonna be a one-of-one on the Frank Thomas from Gallery very sick Nice Frank Thomas there nice start there one-of-one Super chrome card. Holy cow It's a gallery there very nice Giants Bruce Boshi number to 40 there Bruce Boshi Yeah, exactly King exactly rather than just kind of like you know, that's your personal box And it's over with you get to see all 20 of these and then do a random at the end and you'll get one of these It's Bruce Boshi Yeah, no problem at all. Hopefully that helps you understand a little bit number to 40 You see the numberings on the top left when you're looking at just see They're tough to see It's gonna be one-of-one Roger Clemens very cool on the 86 record breaker card, that's nice Nice Roger Clemens there one-of-one very cool 86 record breakers beautiful and one-of-one again this time Ricky Henderson very nice Wow, this has been a great case so far Congrats Sick 2002 tops very nice 2002 tops one-of-one Ricky Henderson there you go. Good luck on that one Yeah, that's actually a pretty sick one from this product. Yeah, not quite the guy you would expect to see in a red socks Yeah, but dude the case continues here with an Andrew Jones 24 of 30 on the auto 2002 tops again Nice Good name so far guys good names Remember we are looking to fill up number six it has ten spots to go now Ten to go check it out random hit style. Sorry my apologies. I think these are in case That's why they do it. Oh Wow Eric Gagné numbered 14 of 35 Eric Gagné I Believe he was a knuckleball pitcher or he had a nasty curveball. It was one of the two I don't remember. It might have just been a nasty curve Nice Gagné there Next up here. It's gonna be autographed numbered 16 of 50 Fred Lynn Fireballing closer. Thank you Rob. Yeah, it might I know be the show knowledge. Let me down a little bit Let me down a little bit Nice on their number to 50 on the Fred Lynn auto Yeah, I know he was a closer. Yeah one inning guy Come in never see him again Come back the next day do his job again strike you out again Ron Gert Goudry number to 34 26 of 34 Ron Goudry you go 89 tops on the Ron Goudry 26 of 34 Gotcha Rob. Gotcha. Yeah a little bit before my time as you might imagine Paula Duka on the Top's heritage card here three of 33 Paula Duka. They sit there Oh Ken Griffey senior 24 of 72 Ken Griffey senior on the Braves very cool 24 of 72 there 88 tops Nice That's correct Rob. Yeah, most of these people are before my time. Although. I'm still familiar with most of these people To be fair Tony Perez that time 15 of 19 on the 2019 element Ginter Tony Perez 15 of 19 You go Willy Randolph 15 of 30 Willy Randolph that's 87. Yeah Yeah 87 I think you Shannon Stewart that time one of one on the bowman chrome auto. That's pretty cool Nice Shannon Stewart one of one auto It go Good luck on that one Finding some names here in this case 14 of 21 Howard Johnson 14 of 21 it's 85 tops. I think You go It's gonna be on an Allen and Ginter mini the Nomar Garcia para one of one auto. That's pretty sick On the Allen and Ginter mini nice There you go Very cool a cobs Fergie Jenkins 24 of 25 2014 Allen and Ginter 24 of 25 Fergie Jenkins Phil Hughes auto 22 of 95 is Phil Hughes to 95 Nine to go guys nine to go. It does break next. Let's sell it out Can type out the names we can start breaking it Check it out there couple to go Six of eight. How's they can say co-autograph? 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I'll give you a look at the list guys There you go These are all of the cards that you will have a chance at right now We are gonna copy all of these into the randomizer and you're all of the names. So let's roll the dice and Match up the name here with a hit. We're gonna roll both of them eight times Here we go Got one two three four five six seven eight Jason H down to Conor see Eight times here on the hits and then I will grab them and read them off. It's one two three four five six seven eight Fred Lynn down to Frank Thomas one of one Okay names hits Alrighty So we have Jason H with the Fred Lynn 16 of 50 Riley D Ken Griffey senior 24 of 72 Michael a Ron Goodread is 34 Alan a Andrew Jones to 30 Jason H Roger Clemens one of one Michael a Paula Duka to 33 And the Bruce Bochita 40 Johnny a Willie Randolph to 30 drew B with the Shannon sharp one of one or shan steward Excuse me Chris C. Darrell strawberry to 62 Phil H Ricky Henderson one of one Michael a with the Jose can say go to eight Kensan s Carlos still got a one-of-one Paul. Oh Phil Hughes to 95 Jim J Howard Johnson to 21 Brandon K Tony Perez to 19 Andrew L Eric Gagné to 35 Drew Brie Drew B the no mark Garcia power one-of-one Greg s Fergie Jenkins to 25 and Conor see Frank Thomas one-of-one Thank you all and we'll get the next one going as soon as it's sold out