So, welcome to the Fossum 2017 Distributions Debron. I am here with Anne Nicola and Samuel Versheld, and they are going to talk to us today about magia, successes and lessons learned after six years of forking, or six years after forking. Okay. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? No. Okay. So I have to speak loud. Okay. So, I'm the girl, yeah. I'm here for the quota, and so we are going to speak about magia. Who knows about magia here, except the usual suspects. Okay. Thank you. So, we wanted to propose a talk about what we have done in magia and how it caused since we started in six years ago, in fact. So, a brief presentation of magia for those who don't know about it. So, magia is a fork from Mount River in 2010, when things went bad in Mount River, and we didn't want to lose 10 years of work on code. So, as most of the salaries were leaving the companies, we decided then to just to save the code and create this fork. It was a decision in about five minutes, and we are a bit mad, but after all, it was a good decision. So, what we wanted to preserve is the free software basis, and the way how it's easy to use for both contributors and users, because you will see that it's a big goal for us to make it easy for people to contribute to magia. Also, we had a big challenge as the distribution was based on a company before, and we have to switch to a community, which is also a big thing to achieve, both legal, financial, organization, and so on. Just to give you an idea about magia community, we have about 100 packages of codes. They are not all active a lot, but still they are working on magia. We do have 3,000 bugs here, also it's not all active, but it shows quite an activity on bug management, and we achieved more than 20,000 bugs just some days ago. We achieved. We achieved, yeah. Most are fixed. Yeah, most are fixed. Well, we do have some mailing list also, for example, one dedicated to development with 2,050 people registered, general discussions, and also quite active for rather for users, and a lot of discussion there, and still some issues to make those people speak together both on one side developer and in the other side users. Well, what we wanted to do was to especially give back the control to the community, because Montreal was part of the distribution before, and we had to make an all community project. We had to set up all the things to make it work, and it took a long time at the beginning. It took about nearly four months, four months, especially for the older infrastructure tools, because we had no specific idea how to handle it at the beginning. So it must be reliable, maintainable, scalable, and so people started to work on something we didn't have in Mound River, like config management tools, like puppets who administrate all the infrastructure, and also find the resources, like the servers, the money for the bandwidth, and so on. So the first version of the distribution was not a big one. It was just to start from Mound River and then go to Magia. So the first big work was to bootstrap the distribution. I don't know if you know about it, we have a blog post about it. It's just to rebuild all the distribution from the very basis so that we have all from Magia, and we are sure that we have everything we need as packages and codes to rebuild the distribution. And when we started, we didn't have any goal, just to save the code. That was the only goal we had. And finally, the goal just went after. This is how we are organized. We wanted to do something clear and easy to understand for newcomer. So this is the team we communicate. So we have, in fact, two big structures. You have the Magia Council and the Board. The Board is reserved for all the legal aspect for the Magia Association. It's based in France. Really, nearly nothing happened in the Board because it's just to manage this legal aspect. Everything happened in the Magia Community Council. This is a place where all the teams in the distribution have some representatives. And we have discussion between the teams, between packages, documentation, communication, and so on. And we try to find solutions there. We have regular meetings. During the release, we do have one meeting per week on IRC. Otherwise, it's every two or three weeks. For now, for six years, we had to report some problems maybe one or twice to the Board only. So this is working quite well for now. And all the teams then have specific goals. So as I said, packages, documentation, development, security, and so on. And they are all organized as they want. They are quite autonomous. We try not to be too heavy. And just ask them to report to the Council so that we can have a global view of what is happening in the distribution. So people, for now, as you will see, we try to lower the barrier to entry those teams so that everybody can contribute in Magia. Yeah, autocorrect congratulations slide. We are happy for now. Because if you follow a bit Magia, we have now five releases out. So this is quite nice because fork is always a big question. Is it going to work? Is it going to end the time? And well, we have five distribution out. The six end on the way. It's taking time, but it's going. And we do have now a real community of users and contributors. That was the big fact. Are we going to keep our contributors? And it's working at the moment. What we are proud of is we didn't have nasty issues on these five releases. Means no big headline with Magia, Brock, everything and so on. So upgrade is going smoothly and new version are going smoothly also. The only thing which has changed at the beginning wanted to communicate on planning say the next version is planned for this date and things like that. And we are taking the, I could say the Debian way of freezing as a big one. We release when it's ready because of the constraint of the community. Everybody is not available at the same time.  She's among us to the one who's coming from the company before and now doing it all on her free time. And I started like many contributors as a user who started reporting bugs and progressively get into the distribution and contributed. So I talk about contribution. So some fights, obvious fights, a healthy community project needs to renew its contributors base or even if possible grow it in order to do better things. So we need to attract potential contributors and most of all hasn't stayed. So how it works in Magyria, it's that our team are welcoming. That's not just a word. It's the way it works maybe in something's better than in other teams, but globally there's a good relationship between people within all contributors or new contributors. And we have a special attention to newcomers because we know it's not easy to go somewhere. You don't know people, you don't know how to contribute. We try to make it easy. So in Magyria, it's not just for elite joining the teams. It's for anyone with strong motivation and of course being able to work together with teams with other people. And we have a mentoring program to help them start in good conditions and learn how we work together. The barrier to contributing is usually higher in users' heads than it is in reality because there's a common belief that you need extraordinary skills to contribute to such a big project. And some users have the habit of thinking that they are outside and that maybe some remaining client mentalities that the providers, the users, the consumers. So we have to communicate and invite them. So I try to illustrate that with extraordinary schematics. So on the left, that's what's in many users' heads, not every one of them, of course.  And you have the users and that's not Magyria. And the contributors that deliver the product and users that use it and they ask when they have problems or need something and there's a distance between them. And I think it's a big distance. What it's actually, it's that by definition Magyria is the community of all users, contributors all together because just using the product, just using Magyria is already contributing. It's enlarging our user base and it always brings some kind of benefits to the distribution in the end. Maybe someone will see what you are using and get interested into it. Maybe you will be so angry at a given bug that you will take the steps to repel the bug and so you are already contributing. And the steps to go to a next level of contribution, if you wish, quite low, quite easy to, small, yes, small. So now I could talk a lot about contribution but I will focus on a specific part of contribution that is important in any project but in community distribution it's a real question. It's about leadership. So we have lots of different projects, lots of different teams in the distribution, lots of people. We need some kind of coordination so we need some kind of leadership to some people to show the way and to act as catalysts to provide more guided work. So we have elected team leaders. In some teams it's not just one, it's several co-leaders who work together and there are also deputies and almost I looked at our current teams and currently almost all of them just started as users and went progressively into teams and became team leaders and not every team leader dreamt of being a team leader. Sometimes it and maybe often it's no one else who wants to have this burden on their shoulder and someone says okay I'll do it. Also that's another form of leadership that is with less responsibilities but with great impact if done it's helping other people to work together towards some goal and I will take an example. Lots of text that's if you don't understand you can't understand me you have all of it but I'll try to to be clear. So we have this annoying release blocker bug. It's been there for months. It was in magia6 and the process was okay it had been triaged correctly assigned to the right person of group of persons but nothing happened so you are annoyed by the bug and you decide that you will try to have it fixed. You don't know how, you don't know who will manage to fix it but you try and first you say is there is this bug? Is someone working on it? Can someone work on it? You can't give orders and it doesn't work at first probably everyone is too busy or thinks it's someone else's job someone else has the skills to do it. So you ask again still no success so finally you try your relations and you ask to someone specifically you know that might be the right person and he says okay so that's hope but in some situations this stops here actually and the bug is fixed and everybody is happy but in this slide since I wanted really a lot of text I'm continuing so several weeks a month again later you notice that it's still not solved so you decide to act again that's that's the act of leadership you decide to act you're not a team leader you're just someone who wants things to move forward so you ask about the status but the first volunteer finally won't be able to make it in time or maybe won't answer at all so you're back to square one no one wants to take responsibility alone for these difficult tasks so you try something else you ask several people who are annoyed by the bug also let's fix it together and you form a commando and you work off-list with them exchange information about it and you focus during a small lap of time on this book and finally it works someone gives an element of debugging someone else knows something about how system d works and will tell you a possible thing to try and one week later it's fixed so that's an example that shows that there's a formal contribution that is not easily described in teams or in much of teams of kind of contribution but is also really important to make to remove the blocking points and it doesn't require extra generous skills just communication and commitment you have to to want it to be fixed okay yeah that was the longest slide I know so now we'll talk about our qa and security teams so both used to be inside the company before the fork so we had a consent because we didn't know if we would find volunteers we could not just take the former contributors and transpose them into the community because there were no former contributors so we had to breathe something from scratch it worked the qa team who test the updates candidates and also the iso image iso images before they are released well we were lucky to find a great team leader who shaped the team with great communication and this team now and for years has had weekly meetings on IRC and it helps them feel like a crew that chat about anything it's a real team and and although that team leader had to stop recently the team is strong enough to continue they have an efficient monitoring program if the team where we send new contributors when they don't know what to what to work on we tell them try the qa team and it can be a step trust packaging or other contribution forms too okay and they have their own tools so that it's easier to contribute so it's really effective now and the security team it's one person so that's one extremely dedicated person who watches and creates bug reports for every security issue and tries to get other packages to work on it but ends up doing most of the work himself surprisingly even this way we are often as fast as other distrusts who have more resources and we have a high confidence in these updates thanks to the qa testing so it works so far but it's not sustainable in the long term but there's hope a new package will join the security team five minutes four minutes for you okay so what's now like we are not going to switch to her but we have many goals still to achieve and i will talk about it on the tool side it's not to to speak about tools because there are tools but they can help on achieving these goals so we try to to start very simple very easy and give the tools to work to our contributors but that was six years ago now wow long time we do have now resources this is really reliable sorry even more than in montreva because when I was working in montreva we did have some more crashes like in than in magia and we do have also a small motivated team on the ciz admin tools and they are they are very high level skill so that's a good thing but this is far from being perfect why because we do have we still have some oldish side in our infrastructure especially for example we still have some svm use we have packages in svm and all the code is in git so we still have to migrate all the things to git this is a big goal to achieve also we do have to adapt the tool we have the more the the the most user friendly tool we have for now is git web wow that's not not too bad but we do have to think about adding new tools like you know like git lab for example to help people contributing also we have a big bottleneck in season in season admin tool team sorry because for now either you have all the rights on all the infrastructure or you have no rights there is no granular rights so it's hard to integrate the team because you need to trust them a lot because you are just giving the root password in fact so that's a big also that that's a big evolution to make and also we we do have also a point with the patches management tool for for now if you want to contribute and just send a patch to start with you have to use either the mailing list or on ioc and the best is plexia but it must be lost because there is it's a hard thing each time so we do have also to find a way to to to help people to bring some patches as a first contribution so what we have as a goal is using today tools nowadays tools and as i talk we are thinking about introducing git lab just to enforce our workflow and help people like with review tools for example patch review tools inside and give some more easier access to the code and to the packages this is a big thing to do also we do have a lot of tools upstream tools for magia like building the isos all the drastics tools and and so on and we do need to give some visibility to this project so git lab will be a way to help us to advertise and take some more contributor on it and finally yes we have to also help people to rethink the workflow we use git but we use it as svm so no branches so it's hard to collaborate because everything basically is in master so if you want to contribute you have to you have to create branch which are not used for now so it's very hard to to manage so at least well if you if you if you want to to speak with us just we need some some feedback we have some questions here which are still handling we are we have some questions about packages organization maybe there are some distribution guys here in the room how to get people interested in backfixing that's a big question and how to get some contribution in non-technical areas that is also a big point for magia thanks


What's up guys evil D here and today I just wanted to give you a general life update plus a me cool Plus a few other things. I'm just gonna chuck it all in there. We're gonna mix it about we're gonna see what comes out of this video Okay, so first up I'm me cool more things are crazy right now. We are in beta testing We've got more than 300 almost 400 beta testers at the moment However, if you want to be a beta tester because we've invited all our Kickstarter supporters If you want to be one there's a link in the description sign up That doesn't guarantee that you're gonna become a beta tester However, if we need someone in your area or the programmers want to test something they'll invite you into the beta And of course you want to do that because it's the most awesome program in the world So we've been smashed out of me cool Well, I've been working on it full-time for like three to four weeks now and not just me like everyone's working on it Constantly and it's surprising when you do something like this that the most insignificant problems from the user perspective Blow out into these gigantic issues that take weeks to sort out in the back end and I'm not just talking program I'm talking legal. I'm talking marketing. I'm talking like just everything in general I'm not gonna give specifics because some of them are really stupid and it just take too long to go down the path to explain them But I just wanted to point that out It's really quite amazing what can happen and things that you just never imagine like just come out of like left flank And they're like hi, I'm just here to throw everything behind schedule I've got to point out now that we were planning to launch at the end of the month It's been pushed back to early April at this stage because we've had to deal with so many problems And we want this product to be bug-free when we launch of course.  This is the best as product app ever. I started job on Monday Funnily enough I'll be in management. Somehow I managed that I jumped from systems administration to management I guess that's what I'm equal will does to you So that's gonna be great because I'm gonna be working to full-time jobs at once because this is practically a full-time job plus YouTube Of course, I can't forget that I keep forgetting about you guys not intentionally also. Yeah We all saw that the Portuguese Esperanto course thingy came out on Duolingo in the incubator at least that was great Time it wasn't it because guess who's the person who has to like moderate that and prepare it Chuck my CTO the person who's also developing a micklemore. We're sitting here We're going seriously dueling off seriously now You couldn't wait like two weeks or you couldn't have come like I don't know five weeks earlier or something like seriously now So yeah, he's also doing that while programming at the same time And I know there's something else I was meant to mention someone was bugging me about it on Facebook And I don't remember what it is anymore. So that person's gonna continue bugging me So I hope you've enjoyed this video if you have like it share it around with your friends and sub to the channel If you haven't already and remember the beta link is down the description if you want to take part And I'll see you all in the next video and if you're not there. Well, I'm probably not there because I'll be working Kaikiel, I always want to thank my sub-tenants on the page Donate $1 a month so that you can get the status of this channel I'm just now a donor is Sarah, Joe, Miguel, Bard, Tommy, Alex, Jake, Rafa, Chuck, Craig, Marvin, the Igor Kuba, Jacob, Jason Knuckles, Shane, and Greg


Hi everyone, Shawn with jaspyscasebrakes.com here doing 2019-2020 Penini Contenders Optic copy two box break pick your team number 44 last two boxes from this case So the way this works all-card ship how to be entered in the $300 giveaway buy two or more teams in this break get entered To win no max entries two teams one entry four teams two entries six teams three entries so on and so forth if you buy one team good luck, but it doesn't get you any spots in the Break credit giveaway top five names at the end will win $60 in each But to the break itself first Here is our finalists Last about mojo Brandon Hutchins Cavaliers Pacers Magic Sun's There you go. Good luck Brandon and These are our last two boxes in this case with our patented squiggle to show that these are from The same case. There you go. It doesn't get any more high-tech than that Well, good luck everybody first up Jimmy Butler uniformity silver for the Miami Heat and cruise go railroad No numbering on these, but this is also one of my favorite sets. There is Very nice We have here We have a historic pics Damian Lillard Larry Bird blue cracked ice That's a randomizer unless these are both owned by the same people trailblazers Brandon Hutchins Celtics Adam Parsons. So that is a randomizer Gotta figure out who that's gonna go to at the end of the break We'll do that before we do the great credit giveaway Al Horford season ticket for the 76ers and Josh proofs season ticket silver Gorin Draugich we got shorted not a and season ticket red Chris Middleton For the Milwaukee Bucks and Joshua Ramirez I will Talk to Nick Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. I'll talk to Nick and see What we can do for that guys? I apologize. I'll actually I'm gonna pause the video See Ray Allen winning ticket silver Also for the heat and cruise Guerrero All-star aspirations Kevin Durant for the Oklahoma City Thunder That's going to Adam Kelly That is a gold. I thought it might be seven out of ten Very nice Not a lot of numbers in here at all. So there you go Adam Nice gold Durant here. He's playing really good right now Devonte Graham for the Charlotte Hornets Josh proofs season ticket silver Oklahoma City Thunder Steven Adams Adam Kelly Steven Adams Adam Kelly season ticket red Nicola Vucevich for the Orlando Magic Brandon Hutchins last spot mojo and Rookie ticket silver Seiku Demboya for the Detroit Pistons and Adam Kelly There you go. That's our auto. Give me one second guys I'm gonna pause the video make a call real quick to see what we can do about that potentially missing See if we can resolve that that missing auto right now Okay guys, I called Nick and in the Christmas spirit He wants to resolve the issue right now. We have another case that we're gonna be doing for two box pick your teams I'm gonna open this case up. We're gonna pull a box from this and we're gonna do this as another box To make up for the auto so We don't have to wait for resolution I'm not gonna randomize the boxes. I'm gonna grab the top box on the left first one. I see so this one right here So we're gonna throw this box in For this break here, so I guess in we get extra cards So here you go. And this is for the missing auto Plus whatever else comes out Make sure I keep that back over there keep them separate Yeah, I think Nick I Don't make decisions like that. That's all him. 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Let's do this randomizer and give away $300 in break credit between the Blazers and the Celtics so Blazers and Celtics We're gonna use the same dice roll for both randomizers and then let's set up the next one which is the $300 break credit giveaway so alphabetize the list Adam Kelly gets two spots with four entries total Adam Parsons gets two Brandon Hutchins gets two get five total but obviously four two six three five Cruz Guerrero gets one Josh Bruce gets one Joshua Ramirez gets one Larry gets one Michael Sclafani Gets one Any time? Hey, we appreciate you guys Raymond de Jesus gets one Shawn Matic Look one and Tom judge So here you go You got 14 people on this randomizer we're gonna paste that right here And like I said dice roll its name top five names 60 bucks each so Three into two five times first on the card Blazer Celtics five times three two three two one two three Four and fifth and final time congratulations to the Celtics and Adam Parsons You got this nice historic picks sixth overall pick Damian Lillard and Larry the French lick from India the Hick from French lick That goes to So that's gonna go inside the top of the outside the penny sleeve Just so that doesn't get separated from the card and make sure to get to the right person. 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Welcome everybody, it's 8.15 and we've, this meeting has been posted in three places, right, 6.15 and 8.15, yeah, that's a test, no, I mean, 18.15, yeah, 18.15, yeah, and on the website, yep, and email to interested parties, so we can have this meeting, and what we do, does anyone have any additions to the agenda? I know Deb, yeah, you're on there, anyone else? Oh wait, I'm just collecting additions to it now, yeah, anybody else have something they want to add to the agenda? Nope, so we'll start with you then. Yeah, get up and sit down, yeah. Well, I'm Deb Moore, this is Carol Zeglin and we're from Rochester, and we would just like to invite everybody and anybody, but particularly the board members, to come next week to, on Tuesday the 16th at 6.30 at the library to an informational meeting on 5G wireless technology. We're showing a video, and it'll be a discussion, and it's likely that you might know nothing at all about this, but all the more reason to come in and inform yourself, it is on the way, and it's a huge thing, and it will impact everyone's life. That's going to come. Oh, who are you sponsoring? Is this through AC Fibernet? No, it's not, no, no, it's kind of, there's just sort of individual citizens that are getting together to really oppose this, and to look into it and oppose it. I do have some time. Okay, I'll get you now. Oh, this is an opposition to 5G. Oh, yes, sure is an opposition. Thank you. Anybody else who'd like to give me flyers? This is just for, like, an informational meeting in opposition to 5G wireless technology. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. Perfect. So, before we continue on with the meeting, there's a couple housekeeping items that we need to do. One, we failed to choose who's going to be the chair. I just continued acting as the chair, but do you guys have an opinion about that? I'm going to eliminate June Hendricks. Check it out. All in favor? Aye. You're right. Okay. This is an official official. Yeah. And also, we have someone who's stepped up to fill the empty space in the Cemetery Commission, and that would be Nancy Woolley. Are you still willing to take that great position? No. Yes. Okay. So I'd move to appoint Nancy Woolley to the Cemetery Commission. I second that. All in favor? Aye. Congratulations. Perfect. From the last meeting, which I didn't find any problems with, I've moved to approve those. Second that. Okay. And that leads us on to Chris Mattrick. Welcome. Thank you. Every year I get around to the select boards that the forest occupies on the Rochester and Middlebury Ranger District. At least once, not twice. I try not to become a regional flyer, but that depends on what the issues are with the select board legs. So this is my first appearance for Rochester in 2019. And I just, I do it just to update the community on the select board on some things that might be happening in that town on the horizon, currently happening, some new things. So there's not a whole, I don't have a big laundry list for Rochester this year, but just a couple of things. One is I see that the roads agreement was signed. So $2,300 in the annual roads agreement was signed and put into place. So we're happy to do that. You're one of the few towns on the north half of the forest that gets roads money. So congratulations. Thank you. And so you have a copy of it. I don't know. I just got this amount today. Yeah, you did go on. Okay. Very good. The other thing related to roads is a little bit bigger deal. I think we have about $80 or $90,000 that we can put into a separate roads agreement with the town for the West Hill bridge. Design money. Probably most of that would end up going to design money and then there'll be a smaller portion that this year that anyways, it would be able to be put into that agreement for construction. So I know this has been a longstanding concern for the town and the residents up on West Hill and becoming more of a concern for us because due to the approval of the Robinson project, we're going to be hauling at some point, the future hauling timber down that hill and other bridge can't sustain the weight of the log trucks. So we would like to be able to, you know, put in some money to assist the town in upgrading that so it can handle the weight of the log truck. And then it would also help with, I think, other access up to West Hill. So we don't quite know what the exact number is yet, but it's somewhere in that range of $80 to $90,000. And they think, I think Brian Austin, our forest engineer, said that he thought probably most of it would go into the design, maybe 65,000 would go into the design and that would leave a little bit left over to put towards construction. So that's on. When are you planning to be pulling logs out of it? We don't have any immediate plan right now. That sale has not been scheduled up there. We are, I'll talk about Robinson in a minute. It probably wouldn't be for two to three years in that area. I mean, we can't until we get the, you know, we're kind of accomplished. We're rocking a hard place so we can't really get the timber out with the bridge that's in place. We couldn't require, I mean, the logger could come in and we could require the logger to, you know, work with an adjacent private landowner or the town to put a temporary bridge like the Bailey Bridge that was in there or lay another bridge over the top of that bridge if it met code. But I think the better, just better for everyone. I think if we, we'll probably schedule that sale late in the life of the Robinson implementation project just so that we can, I mean, we can wait until it's done. Do we have some less till residents that would really like that? I'm sure, and I know the same residents. Yeah, they've been to talk to me numerous times out of the office about that concern, you know. So, okay. So that'll come along. I don't know if the timeline for that agreement is bright. It has to kind of, the number, the dust has to settle around budget this year. We just got our final budget this past week. It is April, fiscal year started in October. We just got our final budget. So he's pushing numbers around, but that's the number he thinks. And once he gets a hard number, another agreement will come to the town for signatures and, you know, all that little process. Just to ask you a question, Tom, this $80,000 to $90,000, is that the total amount? Or would you be, are you asking the town to cost share with our services? It is, it would come, I think it is a cost share agreement, what we would enter into. That's not the entire amount. That's what we have to this year to put in. We think we can get the design to the design can be done like Cricut could probably do the design for within the, that amount of money and probably less than that this year. But then next year, we would hope that we would have additional money that we would be able to put towards it as well towards the construction phase. I don't think we'll be able to pay for the entire construction phase of it. But a good hunk of it, hopefully. Do you have any idea percentage, cost percentage, town versus? It has to be at least 20%, a 20% match by whoever we enter into that. If it's handled through a challenge cost share agreement, which some of these are, the minimum match is the 20%. It's good to have the two to three years notice. And there might be other federal money that could be, you know, grabbed for this as well. There are other grant programs, FLAP money, federal lands access program money could be utilized for this as well. That's federal money managed by the state for access to federal lands as the biggest land, federal land holder in the state and one of the only big federal land owners in the state. We stand a good chance of getting that. That's how the Churchill Bridge and Brandon was replaced was that program. But the state announced it and they announced it only when they have the funding available. So there'll be more conversations on West Hill in the future. Wonderful. And I can try to find out. Once we get the number for this year, the hard number for this year in that agreement, we can go into a little more detail about what the future looks like, how it would be managed. The first thing is to get the design done so that we know what we're trying to construct. Perfect. We are interested in pursuing. Do you have another question? No, I'm thinking about it. This is kind of my first volley to the top, letting you know that we have money this year because we talked about it in the past and we actually didn't think we were going to have money. We thought we're going to have much less money to put to design, but just the way our budget fell out, there's a lot of money involved. The logging operation on a Robinson project, what does that do to start? So on West Hill or just in general? Well, let's pick West Hill for now. Yeah, it's unscheduled at this point. Unscheduled. You kind of pushed that to the end of the schedule to give more time. I was going to say, the bridge is probably two years away. Oh, yeah. So Robinson, the life of the timber management of Robinson will usually span five to seven to up to ten years. The closest example would be the Upper White River Project, which was in Grandville in Bangkok. That decision was signed in 2010, I believe, 2011, and the last timber sale was just completed this winter. So it's a lifespan of nine years from the first one from the decision to the last timber sale. So there'll be multiple timber sales coming out of that one Robinson decision. The first two we're working on right now, they're not related to West Hill Road. So we would probably schedule the West Hill Road and want to be late to ensure that the bridge project was complete before we haul timber off of that. Okay, okay. While we're on that topic, I have another question that some residents have asked me.  Is a buffer zone between private land and the actual logging operation? Oh, there doesn't have to be a buffer zone. There doesn't have to be. No, but if a private landowner was concerned about that, they should come and talk to me. Okay. You should redirect those folks to me because we can most often make that work. Like Harlan, for example, is an adjacent landowner and he's approached me and said he would actually like us to come right up to his property line just to help him get a little more sun on the solar panels there. With some, you know, with some level of harvest, so to increase that, we can also work the other way. We didn't hear from anyone during either of the official comment periods for that project. So the default is run up to the property line. We can, yeah. But if no one says anything, is that what happens? We probably, if someone's house right there, we would probably put a buffer in, like we wouldn't want a tree, a tree length at least. Okay. We have this tree length at least so that we wouldn't have a, leave an isolated tree standing there and the wind would come and it would blow it over and it would fall on that person's property. But the default is yes. I mean, we would go right up to our property line. Okay. Thank you. But anybody concerned about that, you can redirect them to me in my office. Excuse me, Chris. What is the, how many years is it? Well, it was signed in December. Okay. And then the decision is that NEPA, the National Environmental Policy and Act Analysis, is, you know, it has a lifespan before it starts to get stale, before things start to change on the ground, trees grow, endangered species list change, things like that, and we have to re-look at it. We think of it as having a life of five, seven, ten years depending on the resource. Okay. And then we would, you know. But it hasn't started yet. We haven't done any, we haven't done any management actions that was specifically approved in the Robinson Project. Okay. Yes. We're prepping for that. Okay. Thank you. It has been surveyed. Yeah, surveyed. There's prep work that's been done. But no, actual. That's not survey of the trees. That's not a survey of the property. Survey of the property. There's been a lot of landline marking in Rochester as of late related to the project because we try to refresh our landlines before we go in and we start to lay out timber so that we know where the line is. So that you've seen a lot of, there's a lot of fresh red paint around. So that's what that is. But we're also going in and marking trees too for timber sales. So I have that. I won't talk about Robinson just a little bit to us where we're at as long as we're done with West Hill. Yeah, I guess while you're up, do you want to give us an update on that? Yeah. So the decision was signed in December. We're beginning to plan implementation. We have a process that we go through internally where we plan out timber sales. We divide up the approved timber management activities into timber sales geographically related. And then all the other activities, recreation, watershed, fisheries, wildlife projects, special uses, things like that. They all kind of fall in line as well. We lay out a schedule. I think the calendar along the wall like that over the years and we kind of lay out like the sequence of how things would make sense because our timber management can actually fund some of our other activities. So we can retain receipts from timber harvest, the income that we would get from a logger and use it to do projects like there was done out at CCC camp, the large witty debris work. Things like that, parking lot creation, parking lot maintenance, things like that for access, federal access or public access. So that money stays local? Some of it does. It depends on the type of sale. We're working on issuing. There are a number of special use permits, mostly access, driveways, things like that to folks who were either expired or had a new special use. So those permits are now being issued. We're still working with Mr. Bean. We have two timber sales that we're working actively marking that are scheduled to be sold in 2019. So that's how we're measured as volume sold, timber volume sold to the Washington office. And so the two sales are one of them, Swams Mill, which is up Maple Hill Road. Just keep going up there along what we call the Swams Mill Snowmobile Trail. And then there's another one, what we're calling Soup House, which is up if you go past Chittendenburg campground on the left-hand side of the road. Kind of behind where Joe Maez's place is there, up on the hill where it's federal land up there. Kind of from the Chittendenburg Road up to where the Backcountry Ski parking lot is, right on 73. Those are the two first timber sales coming out of Robinson in there. They're not, they're going to be marked this summer. The earliest harvesting would occur would probably be this upcoming winter, winter 2019-2020. But once it's sold, it's really up to the purchaser to schedule that timber sale activity. They can choose to start right then or they could wait a couple of years before they started. It is the require, our contracts require that loggers interface with the town, about town laws. That's not our responsibility to interface with you about their use of roads and road closures and things. We'll be getting overweight permits. That's the responsibility of whoever purchases the timber and is cutting the timber and hauling it. So we always redirect them to the town. Towns often have questions about that. So if residents have a question about truck traffic or anything, it would be on us or it would be... No, they could talk to us about truck traffic and like speed limits and things like that. If they feel trucks are, I know that the folks out of Bingo are concerned about truck speed when we get out there. And so we will put those restrictions on them. But as far as any permitting that they need, like they often need overweight permits to haul logs. That comes from the town. That doesn't come from the forest. Or we won't come to you asking for overweight permits. That's the law. That would come to us. Because we have a staff person, timber sale administrator that focuses solely on managing the contractors in timber sales. So Chris, if they have those concerns, when you say contact us, do you mean call the Rochester office? Come to the forest. Or come there. And that timber sales person is there? Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. So over the next couple of months, we'll get a better idea of what the other timber sales, how they'll kind of sequence. And once they do, I'll certainly provide the town with that information. Because most of the timber sale activity is in Rochester and Chittenden. And the portion that's in Chittenden, you feel like it's in Rochester because you access it in Rochester. So all the access for timber management will come through Rochester. And we know there's also concern about both the pine brook ski loop and then the Chittenden brook ski network. We're going to plan to and hope to, we'll never impact both of those systems at the same time. So that they'll always be a place for folks to go walk their dogs, go for a cross-country ski where there wouldn't be timber management activity happening. Because both those loops will at one point or another be impacted by log traffic in the winter. But we're not going to impact them both in the same winter. We'll stagger them so that that won't occur. Yeah, I think that is about it. There's a number of other projects going on as part of Robinson. The hut has been at the Chittenden brook as in Chittenden, not Rochester, but again kind of access. This way has been very popular over the course of the winter. There's the Bellamont Trail, the kind of Vermont end-to-end mountain bike system that's being devised kind of the same model as the Catamount. We have trail, pieces of trail network that will be installed over the upcoming five, six years in partnership with Rosta and Vimba and Vermont huts. Establishing that, that's going to run through the area as well. We have some watershed restoration work, some more large woody debris projects going in a certain, on a much smaller scale than a CCC camp. Kind of at the beginning of Bingo Road, at Janet Brown's property there, and then at the pond. That pond is very, very undercut on the back side, so we're going to try to do some work to ensure that it doesn't, the dam doesn't blow out at the end of it. Are the bloggers informed of the route of the Bellamont Trail, like utilizing that in any way, shape or form? What do you mean, informed? So it's not existing at this point. Right. And yet, I mean, when I ski, I use logging ropes a lot of the time. Yep. So like, I'm not sure if they're interconnected with what Rosta is proposing with the Bellamont. Their, um, logging contracts are an interesting thing because we can't require them to do anything that's outside of the scope. No, they're not. Yeah, I mean, we can work with them and suggest like, you know, we're thinking there's going to be a trail network that goes through this area. You know, our timber sales administrator could say, you know, let's lay your main skid road through here. The two don't always line up like what you might consider the greatest mountain bike route or ski route isn't what the logger is necessarily going to see as a great skid route. Where we can, we do. Right. We try to, we try to gain, get some synergy on that when we can. Okay. That's all I have unless you have anything for me. So assuming from what you said about staggering and all that stuff and the fact that something might be going on up in Chittendenbrook, it would be safe to assume that there won't be anything happening in Bingo of this winter, possibly next winter. Because I mean… Yeah, a little better idea of that in a couple of months, Carla, when I do I'll share it. Yeah. But yeah, that's a safe assumption that there won't be anything in Bingo of this winter or in Chittendenbrook, this winter. This upcoming winter. After that, if this one ever ends, after that it's a little fuzzy. I can't really put my finger on it. But it's safe to assume that never will both the Pinebrook ski loop and the Chittenden Nordic system be impacted at the same time. So as long as they're doing something up there, they won't be doing anything. Right. Yeah. I mean, there may not be a… Yeah, that's correct. Because even if they're driving on the road, that would be an impact to the loop. Yeah. Great. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for hearing our concern. I also want to thank Terry for his input and bringing this to our attention. I'm sure you don't peruse the stacks that often, but the situation is that… What a party you had, man. I'll tell you. Well, let me back up and say, I don't know if this affects anything, but since we located our linen business there in that building, I think we have contributed thousands of dollars to the collection of water and sewer funds. So I feel like we're a fairly good customer in that department. So we realized that this quarter, the water and sewer bill was quite high, and not only was the first quarter of this year about half of the entire previous year, this quarter was $1,681, and the same quarter last year was $265. So this is really our slow time in the linen shop, and we were quite surprised when we got that bill. So we started investigating and narrowed it down to a leaky toilet, and there are three toilets in the Cushman building. Of course, the one that runs is the one that we have a tenant in that space who works there sporadically. And after we talked there, she admitted that, yeah, it ran occasionally, but jiggle it. I didn't think it was a big deal. Well, she can sometimes not come to work for three weeks at a time. And so evidently, it was just running the whole time. So we called the plumber, repaired it immediately, but we're here to appeal for a certain amount of forgiveness. And the increase over last quarter is $1,400. So we're proposing to split the difference if you would be willing to consent. Pretty generous. I think that's relatively fair. Carey, do you have any input on this since you run the system?  Yeah. I mean, we've done it in the past for other people. I mean, that when we find a bad problem, we've kind of been forgiving us, say. We didn't want to die long ago before we did at the Parkhouse. We've done it, I know, for the Pierce Hall. And, you know, so I don't see how you can do it for one and not for the other. Especially they found the problem. They fixed it. I mean, we didn't have to, you know... It is fixed, right? Yes. Just reflect on it. We worked on it and, you know, I went over with him and... We couldn't figure it out until, like, called the tenant. And she said, yeah, that thing runs. I didn't think it was a big deal. The day I went over with him... The rents go up. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. The day I went over with him, it wasn't running. Right. So I mean... But then the day of the reading and then the Wednesday was only three days and already... Run 800 pounds. Yeah, 800 pounds. So that's when we knew we had something really bad that we had to...    Yeah, that's all I could think of. It was unfortunate because, like, we don't go there in terms of, like, that's a private bathroom. Yeah. And because all our offices are upstairs. This one's downstairs. We don't hear it. We don't hear it. It was in kind of a...  So, we really kind of got... So, excuse me, but what was the over inch again that we had? It was over $1,400. A lot. Toilet flushing. Yeah. Do we have a way to know that we have solved the problem? We did solve the problem.  Is there a way to check the meter to make sure that the usage is down? Yeah, it's gone way down. Okay. The difference between... In fact, I see it's a master meter. Yeah. You check it again, then? Yeah. Okay. And then I check my master meter. Gone. I don't use it anymore. That's a good thing to do. I think that's... The difference between the Park Hills and Pierce Hall and this one is that the others are kind of non-profits and this is a private entity. Right. But I still feel embarrassed. But, you know, if this were to happen somewhere else in town, we would be obligated to follow suit again. Well, I think this might be for the viewing audience. Might be a little bit of a wake-up call to take it out of that. Take it out of that. People will live on the water system. Yeah. Just watch carefully. It's a tough thing, but it'd be good to get it out of the public. I know. Check. Yeah. Put it in the paper. No. And we're pretty non-profit to your women. You never know what's happening. I'm higher. Because in my house, I think we have the highest residential water bill in town, I think. And... No, I think you can help her. I can't wait to get to meet you. No, they do. All right. But I was just crazy expensive.  We looked and looked and looked. No leak, no leak, no leak, no leak anywhere. Had him replace the silicox in the outside of the house and went down $100 a quarter. And we never saw a leak, but something was going on. So, yeah, get it out there. Like, people could cut their water bills if they just have somebody come in and do a quick audit. That's true.  Yeah. Sound. You could just hear the little whisper, Sam. And I didn't know what it was, but then I had friends over and her husband's a plumber. And he said, you know, after he used the bathroom, tell me. And they fixed it. And my water bill went down, hooray. I think if you take a... If you really want to check it, take your toilet, take a paper towel and rub it around the inside of it. But it's leaking anywhere as you're going to get. The paper towel is going to be wet. In the bowl. In the bowl. I mean, that takes care of your overflow and your flopper bell. Yeah, we were told to put food coloring in the tank and then see if it bleeds out into the bowl. Yeah, you can do that though. I mean, for a quick check. Yeah. And you'd be surprised because we've had issues before with people complaining about their... No, we don't have a problem when I've been. I don't know how many houses since we put the meters in. Not leaking like that, but, I mean, yeah.  I think the issue for us was the concrete comparison to last quarter at the same time. Right. You know, if it was just like, oh, it's high, well, in relation to what? Yeah, that's a ridiculous high. Yeah, they're... You ever take the opportunity to, if you notice, super high bills to... I called them before they even got the bills. I met with them. Jerry was on the phone. I came right down. Yeah. As soon as Julie put them in the books, she called me. I'm in here the next day. Or that day. That day, because that was... I literally looked through the book and we do it then. I really didn't figure it out until I called the tenant. Because the thing wasn't running. Yeah, I went over there without my core. And I called her and she said, yeah, it's been running through the winter. And I didn't think it was a big deal. Okay. Okay. All right. So, yeah, I called her the second night. Second night. Okay. All day. Hi. Hi. So will you generate another invoice or should we just subtract it when we pay this one? I don't know how it's done in the past, but I'll find out. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Flush in peace. Flush in peace. And this was filmed for awareness. Yes. Your toilet too. Joan, got any updates for us? A couple of things. One is to remind you that these grants will be coming tomorrow one o'clock for their annual meeting with us. You know, discussing the highway annual financial plans. You're going to be going over a new road permit, road standards. I know they were upgraded a little bit back in 2013 in there. I think they're finished, but all I have right now is a final draft. This is a sample of it. They'll be having, they'll probably give us the final, final one and discuss it tomorrow. It's gotten a little more sophisticated than it used to be to be more in compliance with the municipal roads general permit requirements. One of the main things I noticed on here is that they're asking you to affirm or confirm that you will follow all the requirements of the municipal roads on hydrologically connected sections of the road. But then they also ask you whether you're willing to do that on non-hydrologically connected parts of the roads as well, which is not required by the permit. But I wanted to maybe lob this over to Cooter about that because in my mind, I just wonder if you're, you know, working on, say, Quarry Hill Road and sections of it are hydrologically connected according to the map. And others are not. But if you're doing the grading or whatever it is or ditching, you're not going to stop doing one practice for a section and then start it again. Are you? No. No. I was thinking more of roads that none of the road is hydrologically connected. Not a lot of roads. Not a lot. Rochester, but right. So, if we had a section of road that isn't, we could clean the ditch with the grader without having to go through the right. But in roads where it's like close and they're not close. No, no, because if you're there and you've got 50 feet or 100 feet, if you're doing that, you're just going to continue doing what you were doing. So I don't know. We will hear from them tomorrow, but I suspect it's possible if they're not doing it now, it could come in the future where get bonus points if you say that you will apply these principles everywhere. Maybe on grant applications or something like that. Just a thought. And we can discuss it tomorrow with those guys and see what they say about it. And then let's see. Yeah, the other thing is going back to the theme of bridges. I took a look at the annual inspection reports that we get every year. They're now just available online. Easily downloadable. And I made one copy for you and we'll have to make more. There are nine. I just looked at the town-owned bridges. Think, you know, do their own thing on those bridges. And there are nine town-owned bridges that they inspect. I assume that's all the town owns. And of those six came with suggestions for maintenance work. And some of them, most of them seem to be things that have been mentioned for the past several years. And, you know, it's getting to the point where the last comments were in 2017 where they say it really would be a good idea to do text, my see whether it's painting or greasing or fixing the road approaches or in some places the abutments have a lot of scour. And of course that just gets worse over time. So my suggestion would be to take a serious look at this list. And, you know, given that, you know, obviously some of these might be somewhat expensive, but just think about down the line if you ignore the needs that over time it's going to be very expensive to replace a bridge. So start thinking about one a year or something like that. And I talked a little bit with Cuda this afternoon about whether road-proof could do any of those projects. I really don't know. We'd have to take a look at what they are. It may be that some of these things just need to be contracted out. So it's, I think it's really important that we start doing that now.  Yeah, this would be good to talk tomorrow with Chris Bump about, too. Now, the Better Roads program does have experts who will come out for free and consult with us about what's needed, how it can be done, what's the best, you know, approach for minimal costs, that sort of thing. So if we want to pursue that, we could as well. That's enough. Thank you. Under the new business, there was a thing about annual road maintenance agreements. No, that was from the Forest Service. Okay, so the final draft of their agreement is also a road maintenance agreement? That's a road agreement that we've had with the Forest Service for a number of years. Now I'm talking about the thing B-Trans is talking and we're going to talk about tomorrow on this. No, that's something totally different. Okay, so what is it that they're going to talk about? It's an annual visit they make to all the towns. It's done by the district office and they talk about what our highway budget is, how we're going to, what plans we have for improvements or projects this year. That's possible grant funding and just related things to... Okay, so they're going over plans for road-related work? No, it's a financial plan. Okay, going over a financial plan for road-related work? It's a financial plan for, it's the whole highway budget. They review it with us. Okay, to review the town's highway budget? Yes. Okay, thank you. Sorry. I just want to make sure I have it as clear as possible. Because it's often augmented by the state and there's a lot of contributions to that. Every area has an application from the state. Nobody here from the library, right? Mark? Yes, I focused on it a while ago about Oscar Gardner.  But for quite a minute for the gospel, we can see. Although things have changed a little bit since I've talked with him. And you've got my letter, I guess, everyone. So I think it's an effective performance first. I'm relying. I'm thinking something before it, something that may change the opportunity that came on the way. Right. That's correct. So what did you... I'll be working for your full plan for Windsor County. Really? For all my meaningful benefits. Still be in the Valley, but nothing pretty to work with. In the city for say, I must as a bridge deal or something going on. So... And the same is happening with Beth, as well. So still working in Granville, so... So, as I said, Oscar, some notes, some of the stuff you guys decided that you were going to plan for second, I think, so training and possible fill-in anyway. I don't know if you guys have discussed that at all, much or so. Do you have some little information? Sure, I can give you some history on me. Yeah. Somebody can see me. My name is Oscar Garger. I'm currently retired from the Addison County Sheriff's Department after 17 years in which I was, I attained a rank of Corporal. In that timeframe, I've been an FTO, Field Training Officer, I've done patrols, Governor Highway Safety work. I'm certified by the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council at the same level as Mark 2E. I come with many years of experience dealing with the community as well. There's, I was at the Systems of Mark Hughes. I'm currently aware of, he's using Spillman. Just so you also guys know, I'm also taking a position with Killington PD. I start there Monday, the 15th. I live over in Brandon. Just barely. Just barely? Just barely in Brandon. I'm five miles from the top of Newton Road. One of the issues with living in Brandon is I don't know how long I'm going to be on Newton Road because FEMA's buying my house. So that could be a couple of years or it could be a year. What else would you like to know? I mean, I've done a lot of law enforcement. So your certifications are up to date and equal to what Mark currently has? I don't know. I have done my domestic violence training. I've done my use of forest training. I'm currently certified with everything that required me at this time. There are some certifications that I think are going to come up later on this coming summer. Tasers? I am taser certified. I'm not certified to carry his tailor. So I'd have to take a taser class. We're going to talk about that Thursday. Scales? I am commercial vehicle certified. I'm not federally certified, but I am state of Vermont certified. The same certification mark has. I'm A-Ride certified. That's the advanced roadside impairment detection training. I did mention I was an FTO, so that means I'm a field training officer, which in this capacity, unless we have a second person that we need FTO, it's not all that important, but maybe for killing the PD it might be. Okay. And other agencies. Mark, did some click it or ticket? As a matter of fact, before leaving the sheriff's department a couple, three years ago, I was actually a part of the Northern DUI Occupational's OP Task Force. I would go up to St. Albans while driving a sheriff's vehicle. I'm working with that task force. So yeah, I've done some government highway safety work actually helping Al Fortin with the task force in the middle, in the Addison County. Currently we don't have any of that. Right. I wrote, I'm also checkpoint supervisor certified. I am not tax certified because I have to do that training. So there's something I did forget. That TAC officer is the ability to use Spillman and run 27s and 28s. Well, to clarify that, what it does is each department has to have their TAC officer. So Spillman certified uses Spillman, but he'll have to, at some point, convert to a TAC officer for our license right here. Okay. So, which is not a big deal. It's just that I'm out of him taking a class. That's a lot of language that I don't understand. That's right. I understand that. It's another training he has to take, which is like a four-hour class he's going to take. And I think it's available in July. So it's not a big deal. He'll be fine until then, for instance. And plus, I'll still be on Spillman myself. And obviously, I can maintain that until then. There's some administrative things that he's going to have to show me. Obviously, anybody would have to learn coming in new. Right. But when you ask your question, if I've got my training done, my required training that I have to have to keep my source location is done. So I don't have to do domestic finance. I just had that. I could provide my training records. I also, we may not know it, but I also developed the program that Mark does. Our login system for my time sheets that we use. Maintains our traffic stops and whatnot. What we see. Yes. And more. Yes, but yeah. We have to do state mandates that record all our traffic stops. Who it was. Why we stopped them. Bracewood and ticketed. Search. All that stuff we have to record on a yearly basis. Right. So we didn't have the means of really doing that, but sort of software that he developed that did that for us for reasonable price. Okay. Well, we can talk further and go deeper. Of course, yeah. What is your current obligation to Hamilton? How many hours per week? You know, I wish I could answer that. Because I just start Monday. Okay. So you don't want to go home? I think it's like 15 or 20 hours. Okay. That's about the whole time. That's right. Part of the time. I'm not doing anything full time right now.  I can't tell you that. I bought my house two weeks later in contract. My house is being flooded. So we're looking at relocating. Yeah. You know, I'm never going to sell that house in its current situation. So the government wants to buy it from me. I'm not allowed to buy it. Well, great. Could I get your phone number to sign on? I don't need to spread that out on the web, but might as well just give me a card. Oh, there's that one. That'll work. All right. I think I've given you a sheet. Okay. Thank you. Do I have a reservation? Yeah, I could take one up. I don't have one with me today. No. I was just asking if you have one. No, not on me today. Just as a reference. Okay. I like I said I can provide you with. Yes, sir. She had a question. Yes, ma'am. Well, it's actually today. I just wondered if you it's just something you'll take on your advisement and make a decision maybe at the next meeting or what? This is just information. Okay. You're not. Okay. So no decision to. Yeah. Mark has made this introduction. It's great to know what our options are. Yes. Great. Yeah. Just like, you know, I mean, obviously I'll take the time to transition somebody because certain things are going to do at the state level. It's got to be modified because of access and all that.  Even after I start with the other place, I'll still have some anyway. There's some stuff. Yeah. One question. We got a commitment to spider debt data. That's my good. I know. But what's your commitment to it? Every morning at four o'clock in the morning. I get up and have a cup of coffee.  I'm going to have a cup of coffee. Walk my dogs and write code. How would that impact your police work? I don't know if it would impact the data. I mean, I guess I don't have my phone in question. Is there, you're asking if there's a conflict? Well, it is. It must be a time share.  I'm just asking. I'm just asking. I'm just asking. It must be comfortable. Oh, yes. I'm comfortable with doing this. Yes. And taking on Killington. I'm hoping maybe you're going to take on some of Bethel at the same time. It also depends how many hours you're going to want me to work. If it's 20 hours, 20 hours there and whatever time I have. Yeah. I mean, I was used to working 71 hours a week at one point. That's a variable that I can't answer. I like to sit here and say, yeah. You know, here's that variable. We have to put those blocks in place or that variable in place for me to sit here and do an honest decision on that. But my commitment to spider data, and I'm serious, I get up at four o'clock in the morning. I have two dogs. I have a cup of coffee and I spend maybe two or three hours every morning writing code, which some of you on a laptop be very monotonous. So it's nice to get out and then hit the road. Yes. Hit something else. But it's white for the long term. Usually by the second cup of coffee, I'm ready to put the laptop down. Plus, I actually love law enforcement. I've never done it for the money. That was mentioned. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah. Moving on to road enforcement. How's what's new in the highway world? Aside from its note again. We had a new air compressor. Air compressor burnout. It was going to be about $1,200, but then I got it here. So we bought a new compressor for 17. Not knowing. I don't even know how old the old one is.  Harder is here. It's a long day. I just want to thank Kuda for finally getting rid of the snow on the park so we can get rid of the ice and get rid of the limbs and then the other greenery. As a person on the park committee, I also want to thank him for he and John for getting all those big clouds of limbs. Some of them have been there a long time simply because they fell and they got snow and they were frozen in and there was nothing you could do about it. But we, I, it was very much appreciated. I'm going to be going to rake the park. Well, supposedly green up day is May 4th. And I spoke with Nick picture Kuda last night because I wanted to put something in the paper about green up day. And he told me that they're working on plans and trying to get more people to in past the times they've had middle school and high school kids to help rake the park but we don't have them down anymore. It's actually younger kids that do the park. So now he was going to, we'll look into talking to the elementary school. And green up day, he's going to be doing, he's going to give me some more information so that maybe, so next week I should have a green up park. You know, where people can get their bags, et cetera, et cetera, and about raking the park and that kind of stuff. It's always been the recreation sports that did the raking. Right, okay. So he said he was going to get in touch with Norm Christian. That's where it needs to be. So anyway, there's a long way from raking right now. It's a little soggy for raking right now. Larry's got anything other than talking about Dean and Connie's water bill tonight? Jeremy contacted me about doing a lot of the environmental covers. I'll get a hold of him tomorrow and tell him, we still got too much snow to do the system. So it'd be, I haven't seen anything from them. Usually they send us a contract on that. Du Bois and King. So I'll ask him about that. Were you signed to contract with him? Yeah. Yeah, so I'll just tell him, you know, when all the animals right now, I can't see. So as soon as that's... You don't need to be fighting with ice to pop the leaves. No. And then I got a leak down by Bobby Sherman's old house. Again, I think we got, we've been talking about it. I'm pretty sure there's hot soil there because we cut the pipe and the pipe looked like brand new. But every time we fix it, we go like a couple feet and then it'd be about that much further and get another leak in a couple of years. But I took the pipe to Webb the last time and they looked at it and they figured it was coming from the outside. So I'm thinking that I'm going to put a piece of plastic in there and see if that would be limited. Or three and probably six or seven years. It's just getting monotonous, you know? And like I said, it's just one hole each time. So I don't know whether it's coming off some stray electricity from the telephone pole side or from the inside the house. But I put a short piece of plastic in there with the copper fittings. You know, they make the inserts and everything. And it's called CTS pipe, not regular plastic. So it's like 200 PSI pipe. But here, three quarter fittings don't fit it. It fits regular copper fittings, compression ones. So I'm thinking we're just going to, I'm going to replace it with a section in there with that. And if it happens again, that's on the landowner. And I'll test it and see if we get, if I can get any power through it. Last time we didn't get any power through it. So, you know, put a meter on it. Because we've had that issue before. In fact, one time I got knocked right on my... Is that for people using floor pipes to drill for ground? Yeah. Well, it's mostly you found, the last time when we found it was real bad that they had a short panel. And it's back feeding through the neutral. In fact, they could draw an arc that far with screwdriver, which ain't great. But down there before, we checked it both times and couldn't find anything. You know, went inside and checked. But it keeps coming back. So the guy at Webb thought maybe there was something. You know, the old days they used to dump all their ash out there and actually be the whole copper. But we didn't see any evidence of that. In fact, soil is pretty, pretty good. There's hardly any rocks. But I don't want to keep fixing it either because it's just paint. It's got to be something causing it. So the pipe looks new except then there's a bad spot? A pinhole. And that's all it is now because it's down there but it's nothing like it.  So we don't keep the walkway and everything else. Try staying out of that. We have here a VLCT provided an updated policy regarding the conflict of interest and ethical conduct. And we just got so we'll kind of look over that and review it. There's no sense in adopting it until we've had a chance to look at it also. Compare what's old to new. So that's something that we'll work on. And we've got a new contract from Able Waste for, what is it? It told us in the budget time that they were going to keep it at the same for dollars for a 13-gallon compost bag. $6 for a 33-gallon compost bag. They're doing that now. I mean I get a smaller one. Old business of the missing book has any progress been made on that? Still chewing through stuff looking for that? Yeah. Oh, you know, we've been looking for it for like, how about we either produce a book by the next left board meeting or declare it. God. I mean, would it? It's like the book that was found and that Mary Davis found in 2005. Some of these little books are... I'd like to see. So would we? Yeah. So we're all in agreement. If it's not there, it's not there. Well, are you saying it's not there? It's unfindable? Is that what you're telling me? No. We're taking a lot of measures right now looking... We ought to be able to at least be able to determine that. Shouldn't we? Determine what? If we got the book or not. Well, I mean... There's a bunch of boxes downstairs. It couldn't be most anywhere. I mean, that's what we're... But we're headed next and downstairs. Yeah. When the search is complete, we'll make a report. Okay. As long as, you know, there's no information in there that could dissuade any other legal business the town has. You know, I mean... Yeah, I know. Yeah, we need that information. Legal decisions are made. Well, I don't think it's there. That's not gonna... That wouldn't affect any pending decisions. Well, we need the book to determine if it affects it or not. Not if it doesn't exist. Well, does it not exist? That's what we're trying to find out. We're documenting everything we have. Okay. So, yep. That's the old business. And unless anyone has anything else to talk about, we're gonna just sign some bills and then move on. It's not even dark yet outside. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.


So today I'm not going to discuss any of the immigration programs or the benefits or pros and cons evaluating about anything related to global migration. Today in my heart I know I've been facing this issue since the time the artificial intelligence has come into play with immigration processes and you know where the world is heading to. It's heading towards a globalized, digitalized immigration processing world. Now I'm today going to discuss with you some of the downsizes of these digitalization programs and processes in place like for example Canada has put Chinook in place which is an artificial intelligence based system. First thing is that for complex cases and for cases which require any kind of case specific attention it's gonna go and it has gone. I have seen personally cases which have been so complex and especially related to immigration because all the background information everything is so important and if one thing goes wrong the whole file is spoiled and because even if it is a difficult case to explain the case if it's all artificial.