Hello, this is the Greater Lagos Vision and I'm your host, Love Ikuku Oyedokun. In fulfillment of his promise, Lagos State Governor Baba Jidesawa will look commissioned a state-of-the-art mini stadium and a computerized youth center in Ikorodu area of the state. The youth center project is aimed at providing or producing a conducive environment for sporting and vocational needs of youths in Ikorodu. According to the Governor, it is also to address the growing social biases among young people. The Governor hinted about more youth centers at various stages of completion across the state, including Badagri, Orilla Gege, Isheri, Ekbe, and Ikeja. This is the Greater Lagos Vision. Welcome once again. This episode features Lagos set to commence construction work on Badagri Deep seaport engine this year. Lagos pays compensation to residents affected by the construction of Ikbobo Road. These are many more when we return. The Lagos State Governor Baba Jidesawa says the construction of the Badagri Deep seaport is set to commence engine as soon as the state is granted ratification by the federal government. The Governor stated this during a stakeholder's meeting and community engagement on Badagri Deep seaport project held in Topu, Badagri. It is the community engagement of the people of Badagri with Governor Baba Jidesawa Lu. The reasons are not far-fetched. It is to deliberate on the delayed takeoff of the Badagri seaports. The idea of the Badagri seaport was bettered 10 years ago by the former Governor of Lagos State, now the Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Raji Fashola. After a decade of delay, the project is about to see the light of day. Governor Baba Jidesawa Lu strongly believes that the project, when fully operational, will not only boost the fortunes of the people of Badagri but also transform the entire economy of Lagos State and that of the entire West African sub-region. The Badagri Deep seaport project is not just one project. This is a multi-level opportunity for progress for all of the people in this part of our great state and the volume of the trade and content of investment opportunities that are to spring up in this area when this project commences and when it is completed and when it becomes operational. Very importantly, employment and capacity building for the teaming youth and the women in this great community will remain a priority for this project. He assures the people of his administration's determination to push development to the Badagri axis of Lagos State. Residents who lost their homes and lands to the construction will not be overlooked. We know for certain that the project of this nature and magnitude will require a lot of sacrifice on the part of the people and the affected community. I wish to assure you that we are ready and willing to adequately compensate you for your economic losses and to replace all of your lost assets. Ensuring a smooth and cordial relationship between investors, Badagri Deep seaport limited, and members of the host communities is the next focus for the government. For their cooperation with the promoters of Deep seaport projects and for a line piece to reign in the various communities. Undoubtedly, the ultimate winners of this gigantic project and the host community is themselves. The Deep seaport is to be located in Guerefu area of Badagri, Lagos State. It covers an area of approximately 1103 hectares out of which 623 is dedicated to port activities. Over 500 million narrow have been paid as compensation to residents and families whose property were affected in the construction of Bola Akme Chinubu Igbobo Road in Ikorodu local government area of Lagos State. Governor Babaji de Sawulu handed over the checks worth 5 million to 20 beneficiaries when he paid a working visit to the area. A huge crowd waiting to welcome Governor Sawulu and his entourage to the venue. Soon the atmosphere became electrified as the governor arrives. Sawulu used the working visit to interact with the people and further reaffirmed his commitment towards making more of government presence felt in the area. I was at Udo Gion, the industrial estate to commission and to hand over the big Kimberley Clark factory and on that road we saw that we needed to fix that Udo Gion road that burst out onto the express and we're ready to do it. He also used the opportunity to commission the Ikoroduyu center with the hope that this would reduce social biases and take the use of the streets. Everything we're about is about ensuring that we can take our citizens out of the poverty line, we can produce and engage our youth who can create for them job opportunities. Chairman of the Ikoroduyu local government was still additional on behalf of the people thanked Governor Sawulu for embarking on developmental projects in the division. I have no doubt stating that your administration has transformed Lagos into economic hope of Nigeria. On the realization of dividend of democracy your leadership has brought immense progress not only to Ikoroduyu but to Lagos state at large. He told the governor that they are working with stakeholders, security agencies and state agencies on the security architecture of Ikoroduyu division to boost the governor's efforts at attaining a crime-free state. The wife of the legal state governor Dr Ibiduke Sawulu has decried the rejection of the gender bills by the House of Representatives. She described it as a discrimination against Nigerian women. She spoke during a one million women march against gender discrimination. She called on the National Assembly to promptly reconsider the bills and approve them. This rally saw the women from different walks of life marching from Lagos state Secretariat to the House of Assembly in Alausa, Ikeja. It was put together as part of activities to commemorate the 2022 International Women's Day. The fame was break the bias, gender equality today for a sustainable tomorrow. The once immediate passage of all gender bills in the House. Dr Ibiduke Sawulu maintained that it can be no development without the full and equal participation of women in all spheres. For men, including the speaker of the Lagos State House of Assembly, Modashiru Obasa, were in consonance with the women in Yakuza. Dr Sawulu also spoke on the death of Ms Uluwaba Mishie who went missing after boarding her B.R.T. bus and was later found dead. She described the development as sad, shocking and devastating. The Lagos State Government is set to launch a new resident identification card with improved features according to the General Manager of Lagos State Residents Registration Agency, LASTRA, Dr Ibilola Kasumu. The new card will allow users board a ride, make purchases, apply for loans among others. I had a one-on-one interview with the General Manager of LASTRA, Dr Ibilola Kasumu for more insights. This is the Greater Lagos Vision and what made today on this episode is the General Manager of Lagos State Residents Registration Agency, LASTRA, Engineer Ibilola Kasumu. Thank you so much for being with us on the program today. Good to be here. Thank you very much for having me. Let's take off with the new resident identification card. Why do you think I should come forward to have it done? What is the need for it? Thank you very much. So the new Lagos State Residents ID card is going to be a smart card and what it does is it uniquely identifies every resident of the state and why we're doing this in Lagos State is so that we can plan adequately. So we take your demographic data, that's taking all your bio data, your name, gender, and just identify you and give you a unique identification and then with that become plan resources, how we deploy infrastructure in different areas of the state. So that's basically what it is. Then also it's not just about planning. Social benefits, welfare benefits, packages that we want to offer the state discounts for certain identified residents. This will be easier done if we can identify you with this unique identification number. So that's really what this is all about. Like those of us who have had it done in the past, like I have done it, what do I need to do? How do I key into this new process? So by simply visiting a website which is www.lagosresidents.gov.ng, it's very clear there's a validation portal where you can go to and once you click on the validation portal, there's a guideline on how you can update your records.  Number two, you need to update your records because certain information may have changed about you. You may have been single when you registered and now you're married. You need to let us know that and update the records. Your address may have changed. So many information about you may have changed which you need to update before we go ahead to print the new cards. So that the portal is self-explanatory, how you need to go about it. Even if you don't have your current number, that there's a way which you can retrieve your number in order to update your records. But the most important thing is that you must have the original phone number which you registered with because there will be a one-time password and OTP sends to that number. This is just to validate and confirm that you are still the holder of that number and you own the information you want to change. So what happened if for instance I used a particular number then to register and I no longer use that number, it's been reallocated to another person. So how do I go about it? You won't be able to do that on the portal, you will need to visit the head office or any of our offices in order for you to do that. Because the reason why you need to do that is because we need to validate and verify your identity and the only way we can verify your identity that you are the owner of the information you want to update is by taking your biometrics at that time. So you would use your fingerprint to validate your identity, then you would now provide us with the new information which we would update ourselves. Tell us about some of the unique features that this new card possess. So the new card is a smart card. It's a smart identity card. It's not just a plastic identity card. So what we mean by that is the smart identity card has a chip on it. So it has 28 applets. The first applet which is like combining when I say an applet, you're combining 28 cards into one. You're compressing it into one card. Now it has 28 different features and use cases that can be put on the card. So the first use case is a payment card. So it comes with an EMV payment module which is a bank account and all. So it can be used like for a payment. You mean you can take it out and use it like an AMR ATM card or a POS point to make payments. Yes, card. Yes. Because it comes with a bank account. So we're working with the financial institutions as well. So each card comes with a bank account which has payment capabilities. So you can withdraw at any ATM of any bank, use it on the web as well to make purchases on the web. That's one. Then the second applet is an ID applet where we've stored your basic information that that will confirm and it would probably deter people from trying to duplicate the card because the information written on the card must match what is on the chip as well. So you have certain information there and then for emergency purposes as well we have your next of kin as well on the chip so that for medical issues or any security issues somebody you know they can get to that information once they have that ability. And then the third applet that is configured right now is a transport applet. So the same way the new carry card that Lagos State is using now on our public transport system, the same card will be acceptable. So the Lagos State resident card will be acceptable on the transport system so on the BRT buses on the Lagos ferry and then when the rail starts as well the card will be acceptable. I mean and it's also it also eases your access to government services. So right now we're speaking with other government agencies like the Lagos State health insurance scheme as well that would have an applet on board. The pensioners would have their unique identification as well so it helps the government to identify people that deserve or require certain benefits so if you are identified as a vulnerable person living in Lagos and there are certain benefits that should come to you it's easy because we already have your identification number it's unique and it's yours till death and all. So that helps us to plan it helps us to find out the demographics of certain areas so we know how many primary health care centers are required in certain areas. We know from the demographic data that we get we will know how many infants were born in that area and do we have adequate provision for primary health care for primary schools for secondary schools you know certain infrastructure and social benefits welfare manual packages these things are easily deployable when we know the demographics of a certain location. Right you projected that not less than six million residents would have been enrolled or gotten this new registration card by the end of 2022. Tell us what are the measures you have in place or how do you attempt achieving this. Okay so currently in the database now we have over four million records out of the four million records one point about just over one million are already validated as in they're ready to go to print as we speak then we have about just over three million that are subject to validation so these are people that have registered in the past that we expect them to go to the portal just for proof of life so that we don't just print cards that will never be collected. Then we're aggressively also registering residents right now so we have offices or we have presence in each of the local governments and lcdas so that people can go in there to go and register and then we're also engaging independent partners where they are enrollment partners with lasra and they go into the communities to register as well so this with advocacy we expect that Nigerians would come out to come and register and we build the database from there so that's the plan. It looks a bit low. Yes so we we just started advocacy program where we've um we're going to embark on stakeholders involvement of our stakeholders meetings in all the five divisions of Lagos state so right now we're going around engaging the community leaders and people in the local government chairman and all so that they bind to this before we now proceed with the stakeholders engagement and then the official lunch and once the official lunch takes off that kicks off the main advocacy program but this is ongoing and this is part of it what we're doing here now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I know I'm not totally wrong here but correct me if I am. Approval for this was given sometime in 2019 to be specific in December. Why is it just taking off now? So the approval process I mean commenced really or was given December 2019 so implementation really started or when we started executing planning strategizing and all in January um so what looks like a delay was actually development developmental progress where this is the first of its kind that has ever been done and there's quite a lot of development work that goes into it where you're creating your kind of condensing 28 cards into one so that this becomes your one card that you need to function in Lagos state so it's not it's not planned or it wasn't planned as such but a lot of development has been going on in the background and we just wanted to get it right and then also because of the interruption due to the COVID-19 pandemic that that created a little bit of a delay in enrollment but it didn't stop the strategic planning and development because you know you actually need interaction with the citizens where they need to come to physically touch things and the proximity can't be the distance when they're enrolling so we had to halt enrollment for a little while but it didn't stop progress ongoing the the progressive um development. Now let's try to just suppose it's you know side by side with a vision of Mr. Governor which you and I were we are aware of the Greater Lagos or Vision making Lagos a smart city and also the film's agenda how does this you know impact on that vision? So this helps because every citizen or every resident of the state is uniquely identified when you're uniquely identifiable it makes it easier for us to deploy certain benefits and to plan accordingly also I mean we're trying to make it as easy as possible for people to reside in Lagos so if it's the same card that I require to get on a bus same card I require to get on a ferry same card is required to get on the train when they do start same card is required at the health facility that I'm going to seek treatment same card is required when I attend certain schools um public schools in Lagos state then it just makes it easy you don't need to keep on going back and forth to enroll and be issued a different card so that's part of it making Lagos a smart city. Enrollment is free. Enrollment is totally free but residents are expected just like when you collect your ATM cards from banks because it comes with a bank account you're expected to activate the card with the 1000 Naira that 1000 Naira goes on the card as credits so it goes in your bank account as credit to you it's money it's your money to be spent but 1000 Naira is required to activate the card that's all we have for you in this episode of the Greater Lagos Vision on Plus TV Africa I'm Lovie Kuku Uyeduku bye for now


Hey guys, welcome back to Come Again TV, the only place on YouTube where all geek culture collides. I'm Shannon and today on the show, we're taking a look at the Hot Wheels Classic Ghostbusters 2-Pack from 2016. Ghostbusters Ecto-1 and Ghostbusters Ecto-1A. So stay tuned. Alright, so as I said, this is the 2-Pack of the Ecto-1 and Ecto-1A released in 2016 alongside the answer to call Ghostbusters film. I have to say, my favorite was always the Ecto-1A. It just looks nicer in my opinion. It was the movie that I got to see at the theater. I wasn't born old enough to go see Ghostbusters in theater, but I got to see Ghostbusters 2. So that's the one that I'm most connected with. I love Ghostbusters, but Ghostbusters 2 was always my favorite. I remember going to Hardee's after watching the movie and getting those little novelty things that came with the meals, as well as some of the cups and the slime ice cream. It was vanilla ice cream and it had green syrup on it. I think it was like a strawberry syrup, but it was green. So that movie has the most memories for me. Here's the back of the box. Hot Wheels presents this sensational tribute to these four-wheeled co-stars from one of the greatest comedy film series ever produced, Ghostbusters. Our tribute to the Ecto-1 looks just like it did in the original film with sculpted details like a step ladder, emergency light bar, and proton packs in the rear cargo bay. The Ecto-1A is a stunning recreation of the car as it appears in Ghostbusters 2 and comes loaded to the roof rack with even more spirit-smacking gear, including a billboard display that runs along both sides. And of course, I am not going to open this up. I'm going to keep it displayed in the box. However, I do have, I got my son packed just like this and he took it out of the box. And so we're going to take a look. Yeah. At these two classic cars. Alright, so I did have to clean these off a little bit before I did this video. I have been displaying them. I have been displaying them with my Ghostbusters display in my office. My son doesn't really play with them anymore. So I kind of snatched them up and put them on display. He's free to have them anytime he wants them. But I figured if he's not playing with them, they can go on my Ghostbusters display. So anyway, let's take a look at the Ecto-1 first and foremost. So here we have the Ecto-1. You know what? I'm going to turn the light on on this so you guys can see it a little bit better. And look at that cool metallic paint. That looks awesome. And I can't really see in the windows that will my side, but using the light and the camera can see that there are actually proton packs in the back. And that is a really cool feature. You probably wouldn't know it just looking at it because the windows are so small and it's so dark inside. But using the light feature on this camera, you can actually make out the proton packs that are sitting inside. That is really cool. And I love the metallic paint job they did on this. Very nice. It actually reminds me of the metallic armor from the Power Rangers. Many more from Power Rangers when they got their ninja powers. They had like a metallic armor. When I first heard of that from the series, I thought they were going to get the suits from the movies, but that didn't happen. The metallic armor was just metallic painted spandex, but it was cool anyway. And here recently I have seen more Ecto 1 Hot Wheels at Walmart.  As you can see it's got the white wall tires, which is pretty cool. Now we'll go ahead and take a look at the Ecto 1A. And it also has that white metallic paint. I love the amount of detail they put into these cars. It does not have the white wall tires, they replace the tires. As you can see some of the paint is coming off because my son has been playing with it, or had been playing with it when he first got it. Like on the No Ghost 2 logo. And on this one there is stuff inside, but I'm not sure if there's proton packs in there or not. Still pretty cool. So there you have it guys. This has been my review of the Hot Wheels 2016 release of the Ecto 1 and Ecto 1A from Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2. I hope you enjoyed this video. Make sure you check back for more videos just like this one, as well as history and origins, other toy reviews, and just we have all kinds of videos going on here. I've been Shane Indusman, come again on TV, the only place on YouTube where all geek culture collides. Take care Geeks. If you enjoyed that video make sure you hit the subscribe button right there so you stay up to date on all things geek culture. Also, go ahead and check out one of these two playlists on the side for more videos just like the one you just watched.  Take care Geeks.


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Welcome to a very, very, very, very special episode of the movement, strength and play podcast by the school cast. And it's Timbo, what is better than a 100 podcast 180. That's a big number of dots 180. Let's go say 101. No, 200 more is better. Now, also quality is important as well. Two is the 200th, the duble century, or quattro, as the Italians would say. No, duce, duet, doppio. Quattro is not a four. Yeah, I know, just testing it.  Do a lingo. 200 episodes and today in this episode, I'm going to hit you with some facts and figures, but we're going to look back on some of the best guests and best advice that we think we have managed to take on board from these incredible guests to hopefully give our listeners a reminder. And some of you might not have, and you started recently listening so you might not have known who our first ever guest was and what are some of the biggest takeaway messages from the podcast to help you with your training life and health and wellness. All right, this was served as a good recommendations list as well, weren't it? For the ones to go back and pick out, are we doing worse guests? We haven't had any. Oh, okay. This is what you said to me before we came on live. We've been guests each on the podcast, so we'll say those. Oh, that was my best ones. Right, should we get into it? Otherwise we're going to end up crashing this intro and we'll just kind of roll into a conversation about best guests before we've actually rolled a jingle. Yes, no, of course. And to celebrate the 200th episode, remember we have the Strength and Play Bundle special for October. Check out the details for that in the link below. You get all of the programs and tutorials for improving your training and your conditioning through movement, strength and play with that special offer for October. There's a lot of fun to be had in that training program. Lots of things to learn, lots of fun to be had, probably loads of stuff you've never done before. That in itself should be a reason just to go and check it out. Perfect. I got to the point then. I didn't want to waffle. I was just going to check it out. Go straight in. Right, so we're going to have a little bit of a, I don't know what we're going to say. I don't know what this is going to be. It's going to be a relaxing conversation, looking back in some history and hopefully remembering some fond times and conversations with interesting people. So sit back and enjoy us doing that. Roll that jingle. I want to kick things off the feet. Everyone loves a little stat, don't they? I do. Exactly. I want to kick things off with a little bit of a quiz slash thing for you where we're going to say how many, to the nearest million now, how many, because I'll give you a guess, it is less than a million, but how many, according to the statistics that I have in front of me, how many downloads slash listens of the movement strength and play podcast combined with when it was previously called the Scorecast Sense podcast has there been to date? Now, I have got zero context for this because I don't look at the stats for the podcast. So I'm going to say, and this could be embarrassing, 623,429. Oh, very specific. In front of me, I haven't got it as detailed. I've got 755,000. I wanted to go 750, but I thought I'd play it conservative. So I didn't look like I'd over-egged it and thought I was better than we actually are. That's good, then. Someone would be like, oh, is that it? Anyway, let's push on hard to a million. That would be exciting, wouldn't it? Yes. The other part of the quiz, and I thought this fascinated me when I saw it. Now, for the first X number of episodes, there were no guests. There was just me and thee. Q&A style questions. And it wasn't until which number episode did we have our first guest? Oh, good one. That's good. And then you asked me who that guest was. I'm going to say we probably maybe did 18. Good guess. And I wish I liked being Quiz Master, but I also would like to... I can't answer this question because I know the answer to it. I'd have liked to have guessed it because...anyway. 15. I was surprised. We did 9. Did we? Before we had a guest on? On our 10th, we had our first guest. Now, for a little bonus question, Timbo, on our 9th episode, can you remember what it was? I think I can remember who the guest was. Oh, no, the 10th episode was the guest. Oh, right, 9th episode. Do you remember what the 9th episode, the last one that was me and thee? Cracky. I'll give you a clue. We recorded it outside the coffee shop at Blend on the seats. In the picture, you're wearing a vest. Right. In that episode, I think I might have talked about skill acquisition and motor control, potentially. You talk about that on most of them. That's true. It was programming in nutrition. I only said it because we probably don't really normally talk about nutrition. Anyway, so, you reckon you know who... I definitely didn't know this. Our first guest was... A man called Kenny, who'd written a book. No. Catch again. Yeah. I don't think you'll get it because it's a real... It's a bit unfair that we had that and then we had a few without any guests and then guests started coming in. No, I don't know them. We did have Seth on. Right. I was going to outside the School of Classics. Mr. Ross. Edgley. Edgley. That was an in-face-to-face one, wasn't it? Wasn't it Cracky? Our first guest, we've fallen a long way since, haven't we? We recorded that in your front room. And you look back and you go, Cracky, if that's what we started with. And potentially our best guest. There you go. We're all in and out. Can I stop you a second? I haven't told you to get close to the mic before we started. I am now going to ask you to get a little bit... You're getting very excited. It's all right. I enjoy it. I like the presentation, but I can't communicate that to you. We haven't got a producer who can speak in your ear. Can we actually pause proceedings? We can cut that bit out.  We had Ross Edgley, athlete adventurer. And it was just before he set off on his big swim around Great Britain. So, with that being said, who would you... Because he's one of mine, and I'll say why in a second, but I thought you could go with... Looking back at some of the guests, who would you like to give a bit of a mention to as a one to go back and listen to for people if they either haven't, or even if it's like, well, yeah, that was a good one. There was a lot in there, and I probably forgot some of that stuff. Go back and check it out if you've got any. Well, you know, when you're recording as regularly as we do, you do sort of lose a little bit of track of who we've spoken to. So I have to think back to the names, and I'm going to kind of just wrap this up in a little bit of just wider context, because that's how I do. But what I've enjoyed is particularly training conversations, I think for me. So I like it when people come and talk training. And I like it when you start to kind of listen to the series of those and you realize that everyone's saying the same stuff. It's just the application or the environment or the task or the skill or whatever it is that we're talking about differs. So we got Mark Smelly-Bell on a while back, like who knows a lot about lifting heavy weights. And I don't think he really knew a lot about calisthenics because he was sort of like, well, I can do push-ups, what else do you do? He'd not really kind of ventured into it, but we kind of did have a really good conversation about training variables and just it all comes down to the same thing. So whether you're in powerlifting, bodybuilding, or calisthenics, the principles that we use to create adaptation and therefore reach our goals are all the same. And yeah, that was just an interesting conversation because it was, I remember saying to you before we started that one, this could go two ways. He might be like amazing or just be like, you guys need to get in the gym and lift some weights. But he wasn't. He was very open to bodyweight training. He was actually using it a little bit. And I think that might have been quite early days towards the start of lockdown because he was out all of a sudden out at home and we were chatting about what can you do? But yeah, hopefully, I don't know whether he's done any calisthenics since, but he's certainly done very little before because his calisthenics knowledge was squats and push-ups and just trying to do as many bodyweight squats as you can do. But I enjoyed that one. And then the other ones that I've particularly springed to mind are my best mate, Mike Fitch. He's not answering my calls much anymore. And also Ryan from GMB. And largely, the reason I like those is that Mark probably falls into this category as well, is, now I can't remember the quote so I won't say it, but it's something about like beware of an old man in an industry or something.  And this is where I kind of feel like I am now in my training so I've kind of gone through this process of seeing lots of calisthenics stuff, lots of different kind of expressions of it. And that was the conversation where Mike and Ryan was at. It was like, yeah, now you can do that stuff if you want but like, let's not hold our identity with it and let's do some other stuff as well. And yeah, it's cool. But we also can train other ways. It was just a very honest, like just, let's say simple in like a negative way, but it was just quite, I felt quite pure conversation about just four older people in the industry looking back at it and going, this is, yeah, this is kind of what I see, having had it a few years and put quite a bit of skin in the game. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's similar with, I've got to mention my man crush, Carl Paoli when we had him. I knew we would get away with that. I didn't, I purposely didn't choose Carl because I knew you would. You could have it, yeah. But it falls into that same category of like, oh, it was really interesting where the conversation went and it's this more sort of like when you're talking with someone else and we've not been in that sphere compared to, you know, Ryan and Mike Vitch and Carl have probably been in that sort of like, that space and doing the whole online thing in movement and everything for, what, 10 plus years, whatever. Whereas, you know, we'd been playing rugby and doing strength edition and coaching in a different like sphere. And interestingly how they all, that similarity of like looking at like how they've all sort of, that overall approach and look at it of being like, I don't know, softened around the edges, if you know what I mean. They all, everyone would say something about like, you know, haters on social media. They all said something to do with that. And it's just, that type of thing was just interesting to hear, you know, some of the like nicest people that you see in your meet and put out tremendous content, like still get people like hating on them and criticizing them or whatever and that they all, that idea of having appreciation of like, probably to use, I'll butcher it, but it's sort of like one of Carl's sort of phrases of appreciating all forms of training and movement and not thinking your way is right and someone else's way is wrong or that there is this black and white. And I think that that was from a wider perspective, good to hear and I'm sure you'll agree that some of these guests that we've had on has shaped our own thinking around training and what's sort of important out of it. So people want to look, Mark Smully Bell's Episode 126 I was trying to find these for you so you can, or you go and I'll just find those with the one you mentioned. Yeah, I think that's like, that's probably one thing that's, in terms of reflecting and obviously the opportunity that comes with the podcast is to speak to the people and get people's perspective and ask them basic questions that are on our mind, hoping that that's also going to serve the audience.  Backwards running, very good for my knees where my knees are sore. And I think that's the Yeah, I think that's probably just having done 200 episodes and talked through quite a lot of things a lot of people. There's also, I just, it highlights to me is how we often get sort of people frustrated with this because when they ask a question we say, well, it depends. And I think you kind of, what I'm sort of, we've interviewed some quite niche people over the years and what you realise is that I think there's something to be taken from all of it but happiness for me probably relies in some of it. I think we can, one thing that I think is I look back and we've had people on and go, if you try and do all this stuff you're going to drive yourself crazy because it's impossible depending on how busy the rest of your life is like and what other stuff you kind of got going on and how much time you have for it but you could listen to this and you can only implement that and implement that and all of a sudden you're overwhelmed by implementing all of this stuff and the reality of that for me is it's impossible and you will actually be unhappy by trying to chase that. You've got to kind of listen to it and find your expression and rhythm of all of these things how does this stuff fit into your training what training do you like to do? What can you learn from Mark Bell which is going to be useful for your training what can you learn from Sally Bell our functional health or doctor what elements of that and then within that even kind of her four or five pillars which one of those are you really going to start to focus on and we've had sleep people or nutrition people on we've had like all this sort of stuff and I just think there's something to be taken from all of it but there also needs to be things which we have to kind of go that's just not for now. Tim Boat I think that's one of the best bits of advice you've ever given I think that there is I mean that and that is because it's so easy to get information overload a good example for this would be I can say this because she doesn't listen to the podcast Mrs Jaco if you are in the vicinity of her and she's doing something chances are there's a podcast on and it's like she is gaining information all the time can we just have some quiet this information but you can have information overload with the podcast you might be an avid listener to every single one it's like in your warm-ups for your training some eye movements whilst holding your breath whilst running backwards whilst doing this and it's like just too much stuff for the body to do in your brain's handle and all that as you say but what I think is really great about the podcast and if we can take this sort of approach of going I'm going to listen to this information and be educated or enlightened by it and then choose as to whether I'm actually going to necessarily implement so me knowing about something like when we had Glenn from the National Circus on and some of the things around like juggling and coordination and all that sort of good stuff and vestibular system and all this is like do I have an appreciation for that do I currently juggle in my day-to-day and in some of my training and stuff? No I don't but I understand how it could fit in and if I wanted to do something like that then I might implement some of it or whatever but it doesn't mean I have to do all of it but having an awareness of these different areas that's probably been the most enlightening thing for me about the podcast and one of the things that we've we've both enjoyed is just having this like array, plethora to use one of your favourite words. Plethora Plethora Plethora that's what the Italians would call it of guess like such wide-ranging it's massively expanded my own and I hope it has done for the listeners as well our own sort of just appreciation of like what type of information is out there I find that like the world and this is probably driven by social media largely has become social media has become very niche you and I are in this as well so we have calisthenics right and then you've also got your breathing stuff and that's now a big focus of your attention and what people are starting to know you for as somebody who's a breath coach I'm doing more in shoulders now so people are starting to know me as a shoulder guy and then we get the lymph guy, Perrion from Stop Chasing Pain and then we get somebody around toxicity and then we get somebody like all of this stuff so we now have these things and then we actually create a little echo chamber when we do the podcast because you bring them in and then we we talk to them about their area of expertise and specialism which is their world because that's kind of the message that they're portraying I think that is good but for most people we actually want to be better generalists like we're not that person who's pushing that message so for me like I take my own situation I'm kind of putting quite a bit of shoulder content out of the moment well people also need to look after the knees and the hips like I'm not saying just do shoulders that's the most important thing in the world like and we also need to breathe a certain way and we need to like all of this stuff just like flows into the mix and I think I think it's really important for people to understand that and not to as you say not to get overloaded by and not to become paralyzed by and not to get stressed out by all this information because it's crazy the amount that's now out there and the niches are just getting more and more numerous let's say there's more niches appearing as we start to understand more about the world and people starting to latch on and build a passion in those areas but I certainly haven't implemented everything we've done in 200 podcasts and I just can't like the reality is I can't I can't do that I'm going to throw some other ones at you just to lighten the mood a bit because that was a bit so Ryan from GMB was 158 I'm going to put these in the show notes for people that was an honest conversation yeah that was cool that was very cool do you know actually the other thing I want to say is like the thing that probably and this is a little bit selfish I love most about the podcast is that you get to feel like your friends with a guest afterwards a little bit it's the ongoing conversations that have like carried on after that has been like and literally just in like a in a friendship way like you could literally send Ryan a message now and he'd be like hey man and like it would just be like your mates so I was going to throw some that was about giving my next point actually the people that we're now friends with I say friends like not that we like Dana Sanchez I was going to say Dana B-boy Wicked is now my flair's go he was good another one I also really enjoyed it I think he's actually one of maybe the most important listens if we're going to go and throw something back for people to really go have a think about is Peter from Piper's Farm where our food comes from that is an important it's not it's Peter Grieg it's not Peter Piper is it not? I've been telling him it's Peter Piper can you believe that what a chance SOC 5 5% off your organic grass-fed beef and all sorts of other beautiful amazing food at Piper's Farms Sally Bell joins on that one and we had a great just a conversation around where food comes from we are in the world is kind of so oblivious to this and this is one thing which I frustrates me about mainstream media we're in the middle of a petrol crisis at the moment which I'm 100% sure would not be as bad if it wasn't for the media like egging it up it would be so bad if everyone would just act normally exactly but they're doing it because the government is telling everybody there's a problem or not a government sorry the news is telling everyone there's a problem so everyone's now panicked by it but like these conversations around nutrition particularly are super important and the voices of people like Sally and Peter should be voices that we're elevating over the mass market and marketing budgets of huge food producers because they are not telling you the truth and yes it's more expensive let's just wrap this point up to buy meat from a place like Piper's Farm but there's a reason for it it might be more expensive to buy equipment from certain people but that's probably because there's a reason that it's been made in a certain way which respects human rights and health and safety and that sort of stuff but like there is a social responsibility within some of this to actually listen to some of these voices and elevate those potentially higher than others that we choose to give our attention to totally I've just found Mike Fitch 168 best made and without wanting to basically say all of them because it's going to be quite a big list for me I'll put these in the show notes so people can actually see them and without wanting to just add more I'm just going to if I can have two more one you'll definitely agree with the brain guy why am I going to forget his real name I feel bad now well that's why he's the brain guy that's why you need to be a guy I feel like I've had conversations with him Scott Robinson there you go the brain guy like what a guy like straight up he got him twice he was that good knowledge and the knowledge that guy's got was like just a exceptionally nice man great man doing amazing things like helping people with like crazy sort of injuries to get better or improve their life so like shout out to him and then the far my final one I almost almost forgot when we had actually because this then tells the story a little bit of a story of like the process of getting a guest on and why it's also exciting for us read a book go I'm cranky that was good send them a message on Instagram and see if you can get them on the podcast I did that with I've done that with a few people but Patrick McCarey from The Oxford Vantage I knew we wouldn't get through the podcast I nearly forgot I swear I nearly forgot but yeah again top man but that was been like a little bit mind blowing for me when you've gone like you know you read a book and you go like well cranky this person's like you know really either famous or I don't know we have we're all just people right but at times you think like and I look at some of the people that we've had on I can't believe we've got them on but yeah but that's the I guess that's the that's one of the great sides of the world the connected internet world now it's quite easy to get in contact with people I'm gonna go without Jacko if people listen to it to this so I think there is a there's an opportunity for podcasts to evolve because typically this is the thing right where we get people on we talk about their area of expertise and we come away thinking that this is possibly the most important thing that we need to now think about because that person is going to be massively passionate about their subject area I've listened to a couple of podcasts where there's someone who's got a guest on or two guests on and then they've had a relatively sort of confrontational conversation now I think that's a bit of a tricky one because you don't see good interviewers like properly stripping like things are people but there's certain worlds within health and fitness and I won't name the physios specifically but physios where they are quite happy to like have a proper like dig at each other yeah and it's like I think it's I like the idea of getting people on with different opinions or from different perspectives but I don't want that to become an argument and I'm right you're not so you've got to like people need to come on who are open to kind of rethinking and being having their opinions changed so that's just my idea but like if people are listening to this and going what would you like to see us talk about who would you like to have us join get on get someone on that hates calisthenics I'm kind of keen on that because I just think the world of podcasts is everybody is like it's a platform for people to kind of agree with each other basically and if we get somebody on it's rude to get to go and I disagree with what you're saying I think it's complete god's wallet I've not said that word for a long time just came out do you know what I mean it would be a very short interview potentially if that's how it went down but that's an interesting one because you're then going well are people open to actually coming on and having conversations where they're willing to have their opinions changed or not going to be challenged like I don't want to stand here and defend and come from a place where I've got to defend and then we can probably from that discourse kind of like learn something I don't know that a working podcast world but it might we could be a frontier are we ourselves open to that would be quite damaging if at the end of a podcast episode yeah calisthenics is crap this is probably an offline conversation but this is where you sort of we probably think we have a responsibility to be putting out information and getting guests on which we think he's going to be supporting the message that we want to put out into the world but is that also reinforcing our own echo chamber and beliefs and getting philosophical I think somebody might have done this already I think it's a very successful either podcast or like BBC4 show where there's a guy who gets two people on like he'll get like a Christian atheist on and he just kind of like he'll sit there and let him go for it but beautifully manages a conversation it takes a bit of skill I don't think you and I are like we just could we do that I don't know but if anyone's got any good ideas for like what they would like the movements channel podcast to be about between episode 200 and 300 then you should let us know yes and I wanted to just sign off by saying from me and Tim huge thank you to everyone that listens and an even bigger thank you if that's okay to all of the guests that we've had on because the first nine episodes were just me and Tim and I doubt that we would have got to the place we are now we certainly have heard if we didn't have any guests on and it's the amazing guests and the listeners that make this podcast what it is so thank you everyone for coming on and also listening and you know as we have been you'll be surprised at who we can get on this podcast so if you have any although what is I've had it some people go which I think it was it was like you know when we say like you know send us send us some suggestions and then what did someone put on it was something ridiculous like you say but it wasn't you say but it was it was like yeah we've got you know there's any so far we can go yeah yeah there's a hybrid the realistic there's like a podcast league isn't there if you're in a premiership you can get other premiership guests if you're not we're not yeah we're not quite there you can't quite get that leverage and I'm just gonna finish one story I don't know if we told this story at the time but it'll make you laugh Jack because we reckon what's the word I can't think of it when we look back on on how the podcast unit and obviously people will realise they listen to us and go it's a smooth operation the boys have got running here they've run a tight ship they've got professional editing all that sort of stuff I mean there was a time when we got Sal from Mind Pump lined up now we haven't said this is a good podcast actually so this is back to us now what we thought what was happening was that we were being interviewed on Mind Pump there had been a communication breakdown between the people behind the scenes Jacko and Mind Pump my PA David your PA David and the Mind Pump PA he was not called Sal had there had been a miscommunication we thought we were getting on Mind Pump we were like this is big news Jacko I was like Mind Pump is a big podcast we're gonna get on there we're gonna get interviewed by Sal and then Sal thought we were gonna get interviewed on our podcast hence why that was probably happening but we started off and we went right let's record them and it went silent because it was literally like we didn't have that weird awkward conversation until after it was like right yeah let's go yeah cool let's go then we went quiet waiting for Sal to ask us the first question at the same time he was quiet waiting for us to ask him the next first question and then that happened twice right guys you said yeah we're there and it stopped again and then there was like and then we had to go were you interviewing us or and they were like oh no I thought you were interviewing us it's a really awkward feeling on there like and we had no questions lined up we were like we we thought we were being interviewed so we not prepped anything so then we had to like literally we were sat there live in Jacko's kitchen then it was like we were just muddling together some questions to get through an interview it was just like it was like it was then there was like when you see two dogs you know see each other and it's like one of them bows down to the bigger dog and it was like Sal's got a much bigger podcast and it was like okay I know we'll interview you then yeah we recognised our position in the conference league of champ of a podcast compared to his premiership and we were like okay yeah we'll interview you but we had nothing lined up nothing prepped and actually people came back I came off that podcast and went oh that was a car crash like and then loads of people got in touch with me that was amazing I love that podcast sometimes you show you need the best work when you're under the most amount of pressure that is yes well I laughed out loud a number of times they're timbo very good story there's probably some other stories we could tell about the podcast but we'll save them for episode 300 I'm not sure if Sal's still listening or not so he probably won't even hear this but I'm sure he'll remember that fun he did though to be fair off the back of that we almost got to fly out and go and film some content with them but we've never really kind of stuck that together they were keen for some human flag stuff to to put out but anyway maybe that's a trip for another time right let's sign off after that little story time thank you again I'm just going to thank everybody I thank you to all the pop people who've come on as guests we don't pay people that's how the podcast world works so people generous generously I meant to say give us their time and we really appreciate it and all the people we haven't mentioned as well if we just haven't mentioned you it doesn't mean that we don't love you for your time you know expertise as well we do and yeah we look forward to hopefully scaling the scaling ourselves up the leagues to continue to get great guests on for your listening pleasure yeah so thank you all for listening and if you haven't given us a review yet within 200 episodes and you've been listening to a lot of them then we would 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a subject dear and near to my heart, office design, office flow charts, office maps, if you will, with Robert Wilkinson. He joins us from the mainland, and he is going to tell us about his work on office maps and office trends and all the changes in offices that we have seen during COVID and that we will see going forward. This is very exciting because so many Americans, so many people in the world spend their occupational lives in offices. So this is not a small subject. This is universal. Hi, Robert. Thank you for joining us today. Good day, Jay. Thank you very much for having me. Much appreciated. So how did you get involved in this kind of study? Because this is a challenging study, and more than that, it's a changing study because it's always changing. It's the world in which we live and spend our time. So every day, you've got to get up in the morning and say, how is this changing? It's so true. The last couple of years has been a massive shift, as everyone knows, due to COVID. The usual nine to five, everyone goes into the office every day, does their bit and goes home to this huge change, to more of a hybrid work environment. And I think it's not quite as dramatic as you think. I think it was already happening prior to COVID on a smaller scale. Because of technology changes and the fact that you could actually work from home and still be productive, quite a few companies were moving in this direction already. But it's just over the last two years where it's been forced upon absolutely everyone where it's exploded. And you're seeing this huge change in how workplaces are being put together.  There are changes across the entire organization. And it's pretty spectacular. I was telling you that I practiced law for a long time. And I guess the plurality of our clientele were downtown office buildings. We represented a lot of them. And we found that over the years, and this is an over long period, that the national companies, the big tenants, were reducing the size of their spaces. You're right. This is something that has been taking place for a long time. And they've decided as a matter of the bottom line, they probably want to pay less rent. And they have to design their spaces differently. So an awful lot of redesign and reorganization of employees and staff members and equipment and all that. It's been really remarkable to see how they have changed and how much better it is. But let me ask you this, Robert, to look at the dark side of it. There's something you lose too, isn't it? It's the smell of the grease paint and the roar of the crowd, or maybe it was the roar of the grease paint and the smell of the crowd. I mean, you don't have the eyeball to watch the emotive qualities of the person you're dealing with. Don't you lose something? I mean, it's a really good point. And I think there's been a few studies already around this. And I think the answer is yes. Is what you lose, though, offset by what you gain? Well, that remains to be seen, I guess. But I think the thing you're talking about is those chats around the water cooler. A lot of work and a lot of innovation happens in those chats around the water cooler. It's not so much that you get together and you have a meeting and that's kind of your work day. It's about going around, going to the office, having a coffee with your friends. And then during that conversation with someone from a completely different department, you might have this genius idea that the two of you come up with and it becomes something bigger. And that's the type of thing that's going to potentially be missing going forward if everything becomes a remote work scenario. And I think this is where companies and businesses need to be very careful in how they design their back to work. You can't have it so that people never come back to the office. I don't think that's ever going to work. Sooner or later, the innovation of the company is going to go down because people aren't having those spontaneous conversations. But by the same token, I don't think anyone's ever going to go back to the office or not many people will go back to the office full time either. There's a trade-off to be had. And I think what I suspect what's going to happen is you're going to end up with most businesses where it's possible having people come in two or three days a week and work from home two or three days a week. And it's that striking that balance, which is going to be the tricky thing going forward. And it's funny you say you were in law. Lawyers are really interesting from this perspective as well because we work with a lot of law firms. And what you find is in the past, a lot of law firms used to differentiate themselves by having offices not so much in the city centers anymore, but in let's call them nice areas. That's totally true. It's true here in Hawaii. Yeah. And this is the thing, and they were using that as a differentiator to attract talent. You don't have to go into the city every day of the week. You can come out to a really nice office on the beach or wherever it was. And those type of businesses are now finding it harder, I think, to attract talent because no one needs to go to the office anymore anyway. A lot of people are working from home most of the time. So there's a bit of a downside to those people who were forward thinking previously. They're now finding themselves in a bit of a spot because they're not being able to attract that talent that they were going to attract because they weren't in the cities. Whereas the city-based law firms are doing great. They can downsize their office spaces because they're only having people come in one or two days a week. I mean, everyone knows that office space in cities is ridiculously expensive in most cases. So they're saving a fortune. They're getting easier to hire in talent because they've got more flexible work spaces. For most of the city-based law firms, it's a bonus. Moving to this type of scenario. So let me give you a scenario that I wonder about. So if I have a conference room full of people and they are the roar of the grease paint and the smell of the crowd, and they're looking at each other and arguing with each other, and they're engaging on a personal level. It's not just one or two people. It's a conference room of people. There's a certain social dynamic in that and a certain atmosphere that allows for creativity. Even lawyers can be creative. As a matter of fact, lawyers should be creative. So many options and possibilities. So that's one scenario. The other scenario is, oh, by the way, that conference room has a big whiteboard at one end of it. And law firms are doing that now or a monitor or both. All kinds of fantastic technology is coming into that live conference room where they're connecting by various broadband connections to have conferences with other people in other cities and states and countries to handle global issues Okay. So that's one scenario where they're meeting in a room. And I'll give you a second scenario where they're meeting in a room, but other people are not. Other people are on electronic. And then now you have 20, 30, 50 people. I mean, it's unbelievable how many people can participate in this kind of thing. Okay. And then I'll give you the final is that nobody is in the room. They are all in little screens and they are everywhere and they are collaborating. Some of them get better connection than others, but they all can see the, what do you call it, share screen. They all can examine the same documents, which gives me one of those three possibilities gives me the better result for my business. Forget about the cost of rent. You know, forget about parking all that. I want the best, smartest, most creative result. Yeah. It's a an interesting scenario that you bring up. And I think I hate to say it, but I think the answer is all of them, depending on what your company culture is like, you know, what one of the issues that has been brought up previously is this idea of proximity prejudice, which is just a fancy name for, you know, people who are actually on site and talking in person may have an advantage over those people who are not on site. You know, they might be coming in by resume session like we are today. It comes down a lot to whether the business has put in place processes to ensure that everyone's voice is equally heard. When you're talking about those, when we're talking about meetings, I don't think it's such a massive issue. You know, if it's coming together for a specific reason to have a conversation about something specific, I don't think it makes too much of a difference whether you're there remote or whether you're there in person. I think that where the problem comes in, though, is where, you know, you might have an employee that is always remote, who is always connecting via a Zoom session or team session, and they're missing out on the in-between conversations. I think that's where the difficulty is going to lie in the future. I think, you know, your three scenarios would work equally well depending on what you were trying to achieve and what your company culture was like. But the bigger problem is going to be where you do have people working remotely who aren't being involved in those chats in between. That's when you're going to start seeing problems, interpersonal problems, I guess, where people are going to feel left out. They're not going to, their voice isn't going to be heard as much. And you need to be very, very careful about how you structure that workplace and how you make sure that those people who are remote are heard. So it's not just that the people turn up to the office every single day, if they want to, are going to make all the decisions and have all the input into those decisions. That's going to be the big trick going forward. I mean, technology's great, you know, technology can do anything. And these days with, you know, decent broadband, pretty much everywhere, the advent of Teams and Zoom and all the other technology we've got, it's not really a technological problem anymore. Now it's more of a people problem and it's managing that people problem. Right. So the whole, the whole professional technique of management has changed. And I want to, I want to ask you about that. You know, now in ThinkTek, our company, right, we used to do, first we did Skype and then we had a studio. So we did both, we went sort of hybrid. And then we got into Zoom because we, Zoom we found was more appropriate for us. And then we were hybrid. And then COVID came and we became completely, you know, Zoom. Nobody comes to the studio except the engineers who operate the broadcast machines, which is, you know, has worked out very well.  And I really appreciate that. But you're right about the gap, the vacuum between the meetings. And my question to you is, has the role of making an old fashioned telephone call changed? Has the role, has the role of email changed? Has the role of texting and other kinds of, you know, social media connection, has that changed? Because it seems to me that if you want to fill the gaps, those are ways you could fill the gaps and keep everybody on the same page, even without having a virtual video experience. Yes, it definitely has. I mean, I don't know about you, but in my personal experience, I found that in the past, I used to find that, you know, chat, email, those type of methods, you were always expected almost to be replying instantaneously. And everyone used to complain about that because that's not really how it was meant to work. I think what's happened, though, is over the past couple of years, as we've gone to this completely electronic means of meeting with each other and interacting with each other, it's changed slightly in that that immediate response is mostly going to come from the video meetings. Whereas there's not so much a requirement anymore to be on the email two seconds after it's been sent to you. You can sit there, you can have a think about it, you can reply back to it. And this has become something that is common across a lot of companies that I've come across. The best thing about this is that, yes, it email is becoming and chat is becoming a way of filling in those gaps to a certain extent. The good thing, though, is that because you're not really expected in a lot of cases to be replying to it immediately, you do have that time to consider what you're going to say. And you get much richer and deeper interactions, I think over email and chat as well. So yeah, to a certain extent, you're right, those mechanisms are going to fill those in between gaps to a certain extent. I'm just not sure, though, that you're ever going to have that exact experience, though, of sitting next to someone and just leaning over to say, oh, can I just ask you that blah, blah, blah, because that cost you nothing, right? It's a spur of the moment thing that you can just do whenever you want, whereas even writing an email or sending a chat message requires that you sit there and type something. So the volume of those interactions is going to go down regardless if you stick with only electronic methods. Now, this being said, though, I guess we're still in the early days, right? I mean, it's been two years. And people are probably getting a bit sick of working from home after two years completely. But in two years is not a massively long length of time to figure out what the impacts of this are going to be moving forward. And it could be that as we adapt to the new, well, hybrid work environment, I guess, that there'll be other changes to how we interact electronically. That mean that how we used to work with teams, I can say, maybe completely different. Maybe it will turn into that type of scenario where I want to ask a quick question to my friend over here. I'll just press the button and just see if they're there. Maybe that will happen. I haven't seen it yet, but there are still changes happening. I think we're still going to see an evolution over the next couple of years at least as to how people are going to work. And as companies make the decision to move back into their offices, either part-time or full-time, I don't think that those changes they're making are going to be set in stone either.  We're going to be experimenting with this for the next few years or so. And it's going to be really interesting to see where the vast majority of companies end up. I suspect that it is going to be a hybrid where people are only going to go in two or three days a week. And we're going to try and fill in all those gaps electronically, but it's really hard to say. After 9-11, the U.S. government wanted to do a more robust attempt at finding terrorists. And they went out into the corporate community and they hired a bunch of fellows who had been, and girls, who had been involved in something called social network analysis, social networking analysis. And these people were adept and developing skill in examining keywords in emails. And the federal government, expressing the Patriot Act and all those black box snooping things they did in the early 2000s, they hired these fellows, they hired these fellows from the business community to do the same kind of technology. They were good at examining a corporation, looking at the original schematic for management, and then looking at the email that was going back and forth. It's sort of an invasion of privacy here, I think. And looking at all that email and then doing an alternative schematic of the real way, the real management of the company. And I suggest to you that that's where we are. I mean, whether you snoop or not, if you do an analysis of the communications going between people now as opposed to a few years ago, you find out that the real power, the real management action authority in a given company, same company, is different because of the technology. And you can identify how it works. You can see who the real influencers are. Am I right? Have you seen that? Oh, 100%. And I think this is one of the interesting side effects of remote working. Because we're doing everything electronically, everything, I wouldn't call it really tracked, but everything can be put in a box. And you can say, well, this box has grown from this to this. And you can get a much better grasp on what people are doing and who is doing what as well. So you get a better idea as to who the best communicators are in the business. You get an idea as to, a perfect example is we can see from our software that there are really strong preferences for when people do and don't want to come to the office, which you would never have known before. You can guess this type of stuff, but who would have thought? People don't want to come to the office on Monday and Friday. It's kind of intuitive, I guess. But now there's a lot of data that actually says, yeah, people don't want to come to the office on Monday and Friday. They're really happy to come in on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, Thursdays, a little bit. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Finding out people's preferences from the software that they're using is one thing. But also looking at how those communication streams work is another. You look at the volume of email that's going backwards and forwards and who that email is going backwards and forwards to. You can start making a lot more inferences that are a lot more correct, just based on looking at the things that people have used, how they've changed using them, and what sort of productivity you're getting out of them. There's a wealth of data out there that's going to make a huge difference going forward. Exciting, isn't it? It actually speaks to greater efficiencies. Oh, 100%. The efficiencies that you're starting to see, you know, the perfect one, as I say, I'm always focused on the real estate thing, because this to me is enormous. Two years ago, I don't know about where you are, but where I am, rents in the city were absolutely huge. And going through the roof there is very little. This is Brisbane or all cities in Australia? Yep, in Brisbane. Well, it is all cities, but specifically Brisbane. But the rents were huge. Now what you're seeing is that because a lot of businesses are coming up to the end of their leases, they're saying, well, you know, I don't need five floors in the middle of the city anymore. I'll keep one floor and we'll get people coming in here and everywhere. And you can see the huge changes just based on the differences in rent pricing. The rent price doesn't know any what they used to be because there's a lot more availability because a lot of businesses are reducing their sizes. And the reason they're doing that is because they now have data that they can look at that says, well, you know, my office has only been 30% full for the past two years. We don't anticipate changing too much in the next two years. So why would we keep five floors when we can do with one? But that's just one example of where looking at the data that's been generated recently gives you some actionable insights that you can then go and make decisions around the business that make the business much more efficient. And whether that's efficient from a financial point of view or from a people point of view, it's that there's tons and tons of things that you can now see that have been revealed, I guess, because of this one event. You know, following the real estate market here in Hawaii for a long time, the play was, well, we have to have a lease for X feet, but we have to be able to give you back some footage if we don't need it. And we have to take some additional footage if we need it. So we want options. We want options to give you back, options to take more space. And it was, you know, it was part of the process of negotiating a lease in the first place. And everybody paid a lot of attention to that. But it strikes me that now, although certainly, you know, as somebody on either side of the transaction, you want to be concerned about the amount of space and make sure there's the right size. But if you grow, or if you shrink, it's not necessarily in the space. If you grow or shrink, it's in the equipment. It's in the technique and in the communication systems. Am I right? It's just not as the same as it was. Yeah, it's, it's exactly right. The, when you look at when you're growing and shrinking, now you're talking more about people rather than the people is the primary thing and the things that are attached to the people, you know, real estate is just one of them. But it's a hard one usually to sort of grow and shrink over time. I guess it's much more difficult than having to go out and buy a couple of laptops or even rent a couple of laptops. Everything's going towards this as a service model, I guess. And whether that's employees or the things that are associated with employees, I think real estate is one of the last things that is going to go to the as a service model. But yeah, you're right. It's real estate, while it's a huge investment is not really the focus anymore. The focus is more around what people you have. And the best thing is, is that now that you're not tethered, I guess, to a geography, to a certain extent, you can go looking further afield for someone who fits perfectly with what you're looking for in your business. And I think that's the other big change. You can, you can go down the route of becoming more specialized in your recruitment because you don't require someone in the office five days a week. You might only want them there a couple of days every month and they can fly. I can get on a plane and be in Sydney in a couple of hours from here and it costs me next nothing. So you're getting a lot of people who are doing that almost. I think it's called a nomad existence. They come and go to the office and they want almost. And it's a benefit to everyone. I honestly, I can't see too many downsides to where we're going at the moment. And that's worldwide. The US, Australia, Europe, it's one of the only trends that you're seeing absolutely everywhere is this trend towards the hybrid environments where you can hire people wherever you want. And it turns out that it's generally cheaper than if you would hire them and keep them in an office. So if I have my systems worked out, and if I'm able to communicate, say around Brisbane for a number of my staff, you know, I haven't worked out. It's simple and it's mobile. It's modular in the sense that, okay, well now I want to have an office in Cincinnati. Okay, the same system would apply. And so now I can recruit worldwide. I can expand my business without even standing up. I can have in Cincinnati and Oklahoma City and Toronto. I can have all these people. So that means that if I have a mind to expand my company, the cost of expansion is the same as the cost of reaching across to the next neighborhood. And this makes the development of global corporations a lot easier. Am I right? Oh, for the most part, yeah. I think with the caveat that we talked about before, you have to arrange the business and the interaction so that the people who are working remotely still get enough face time, for lack of a better word. Apart from that one caveat, you're exactly right. There's no reason why you can't go out and find someone in London to do a job for us in Australia. And in fact, that's exactly what we've done over the past couple of years. You know, we have an employee in London who does the exact same thing as what that employee would have done in Australia. Because of technology, we catch up very regularly. As long as you've got the processes in place to ensure that those interactions with those people are going to be valuable and that they're not going to feel like they're an addendum to the business, then yeah, you can hire anyone anywhere, and it doesn't really make much of a difference. Now, I'm looking forward to the day when I can just head over to Hawaii for a few days and work from Hawaii. That sounds wonderful to me. Yes, and why not? Absolutely. I know, and there's literally no reason why I couldn't. All of my work is done on a laptop or an iPad. I can chuck it in a backpack and I can do exactly the same thing that I'm doing now from Hawaii or from London or wherever. Well, we alluded to this before, but that means, doesn't it, that the role of the manager in this new office world has changed? There were certain things that perhaps weren't as a high priority before that become high priority now and vice versa. Can you talk about that? Can you talk about how the role and the life, if you will, the daily existence of the manager has changed the new office work? I think that the major difference is the manager needs to be more cognizant of having those valuable interactions. When everyone was in the office and it was easy enough just to lean over the cubicle next door and say, hi, it's not quite that spontaneous anymore. I think as a manager, it's important that I'm aware of what everyone's doing, obviously, which is quite easy to do these days. There are a lot of tools that can keep you up to date with where someone is on a particular task, but you also need to have some sort of relationship with the people who work for you. You have to make sure that they're happy and that they don't have issues that they're keeping to themselves that are stopping them from completing their tasks. I think that's the trick. That's the thing that managers are going to have to get used to is putting conscious effort into having conversations with all of their employees. Whether that's in a group Zoom session or whether it's in a one-to-one conversation on teams or whatever, it's going to depend on the type of environment that you're in, but that's the number one change that needs to happen. There are also a couple of other things. You need to make sure that workplace health and safety, for instance, it's much harder to do workplace health and safety when everyone's at some other site. You need to make sure that you're aware of where your employees are working and how they're working with their safe. There are issues around if you've got new employees as a manager, onboarding a new employee as a manager can be significantly harder, especially if they are remote. I remember when I first started here, it was a good few weeks before I got to understand who everyone was and where everything was. It's that much harder now that you're working remotely to create those links between people. That's one of the roles of the manager as well, is to make sure that when you are hiring someone new, that they're aware of who's who in the zoo and that you make those introductions and that people are having those conversations. Otherwise, you might end up after a couple of months, the person who's just started, which you might leave, because they don't feel part of the team. That's probably one of the hardest things as a manager, is to make sure that when you are bringing new people in, they feel that sense of connection with their colleagues. Not a day goes by these days and we don't read about all these people who are leaving their jobs these days. I don't fully understand how that works. I have to say that sometimes it sounds silly to me, but they are and that's a culture point of our times. It seems to me that the manager has to see everyone as a part of a group and make sure that the connections are not only between the manager and the individual, but between all the individuals outside that they should have, what do you want to call it, a collective cultural social experience, because that's what holds people, doesn't it? Yeah, 100%. I think the French call it a spree decor. It's the group spirit. I think that's the hardest thing to maintain when everyone is remote. There might be a lot of additional productivity when people are remote. You don't have people bothering you every five seconds. You can get through a lot more work, but by the same token, you need to maintain those relationships and you need to build those relationships with new people. I think it can become a little bit tiring, I guess, to try and do that by electronic means, which means that you have to put a conscious effort into doing it. If it's not driven by management, then I suspect that what would happen is that it will just fall apart. You'd have some people who are naturally outgoing and who want to have those conversations and who will make the effort to talk to their colleagues over electronic means, but there are a lot of people, and I'm not criticizing them because I'm one of them, who in their natural state is that they're not that chatty and perhaps they'd rather just get on with their work, but they lose something over the long run if you don't have those interactions. That's where I think management does need to step in and make sure that that esprit de corps stays within the business, and that comes down to making sure that people are having conversations and they're forming those relationships and bonds within the workplace. Different set of skills, a different set of objectives. One other thing in terms of looking at a case study, if you don't mind this, and by asking you this, I hope to examine all the other things that you deal with in terms of new trends and directions in the office design development world. I'm your client. I come in and I say, look, I'd like to establish a new company in Brisbane. Let's say let's make me a tech company, and I need a certain number of staff, and I need a certain amount of computing power and so forth. I need to meet with clientele downtown, maybe, who have not yet learned the benefits of virtual meetings, and so I have to have a presence.  Tell me what my choices are. Tell me what your advice is in terms of establishing this brand new business. I think there's two obvious choices here. The first one is there's a proliferation of WeWork type arrangements. There's a lot of them. WeWork is probably the biggest example of this, where you've got service offices, and what I've found with service offices is that they're actually really good value in a lot of cases. WeWork is great because they've got a beer fridge over in the corner on that sort of stuff, so your employees love that type of stuff, but it's a very professional setup, and for what you're talking about, if you're opening a little branch office in another city to either test the waters or just hire a couple of people, service offices are perfect. You get all the benefits of a proper corporate office with a fraction of the cost, and they usually look good.  I think that's the other thing that we're seeing reasonably often, is you are seeing a lot of big companies who are downsizing their tendencies, and they're sub-leasing to other companies who are trying to get into that market. It's a win-win for absolutely everyone. It comes down to, I guess, how permanent are these people that you're going to have in those offices, but from the perspective of what you used to do 20 years ago, where you'd have to go out and negotiate a long lease, and then fit it out with absolutely everything. I don't think anyone does that anymore for that type of scenario. It's more of a, you know, I'll take a sub-lease, which is probably already fitted out for me. I'll send some people in there, and it's very flexible. Flexibility is the big thing that's going to come out of all of this. You can even see this with some of the big building owners. They're adding a lot more flexibility into their contracts these days, because companies are demanding it. They're not going to go with the old-fashioned types of contracts where you're set for a specific period, and it's going to cost you this much and so on and so forth. Flexibility is the key, and that's the way it's going to keep going. Anyone who sort of enters into a long-term, expensive contract for real estate without really thinking hard is probably doing themselves a disservice. But yeah, I would say in your case, we work. It comes with a beer fridge. Interesting, because we have that in Hawaii. We have that, yeah. And there are companies that do that. Yeah. Last question, because we are running out of time, Robert, and that's this. So, an office map. Interesting idea. And from the points that we've discussed, the possibilities, the options, the problems and situations and scenarios, it's all very interesting. And Quiri, are you alone in the field or in Brisbane and in other cities in Australia and elsewhere, do we find a new generation of professionals that are doing exactly what you're doing? And if we're not, will that happen later? Look, there are a number of software vendors like us who provide similar services. I think the difference between office maps and some of our competitors that the type of software that we do has been around for a reasonable amount of time. But what we found is that it was only really the top end of town. The big fortune in 500s, the people with a lot of money who could afford the software to manage their environments and allow that flexible working, they were the only ones who could afford it. Where we come in and where we're slightly different is that we focused very much on specifically managing hybrid work environments, helping businesses to understand how their environment is being used, helping their employees to manage themselves, I guess, when it comes to coming into the office and when they come and when they don't, at a very reasonable rate. So we don't have the million and one extra bells and whistles that some of our competitors do simply because most small to medium enterprises don't need them. So yeah, look, there are others in the market that we're in and there are more coming all the time. I think with COVID and this rush to go to a hybrid environment, there will be more companies like us over time coming in. But at the moment, we're in a pretty good spot. We have a very defined target market. We've got a product that works for them and we can't complain at the moment. There's a lot of business. There's nothing so constant as change. Thank you, Robert. Robert Wilkinson, really appreciate you joining us today. I enjoyed meeting you and I don't think you're shy at all. Thanks, Jay. I've been practicing quite a bit and it was great to meet you too. Thanks very much. Thank you, Aloha. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn, and donate to us at ThinkTechHawaii.com. Mahalo.