All right, I don't get this tweet cuz Ross was Right though except at the end when he was being flusamy. Yeah, Ross is complicated because Yeah, he's he doesn't have all the information. I think I think a lot of what Ross does in the movie is perfectly fair from his POV Yeah, yeah, he's the third one.  Oh Well, we can totally begin with that I suppose talk about or are we live? Well Everything you're saying right now will be on the reupload. I still managed to go live. Oh my goodness. This is a this is an off line Reupload Exclusive you are my thank you YouTube now.  Yeah, I have to send you the link keep clicking Clicking the YouTube button.  Why would you name yourself that? That's from the movie. The ginger kid cults Before the bus accident it's incredible harsh. That's my favorite part of the movie The person in the movie with the greatest character development said that The funny part is he says dick splash right before the the bus like gets it whatever happens to it It's like they make it dramatic.  I need to discuss.  Oh, yeah, that's right cuz cuz Man of Steel is bad Oh, yeah, well, I guess should we should we do a little bit about one division? Oh, yeah One of it a week Well, do you want to do should we just not talk about it all until like its own e-fab? I don't know if it's I don't know Yeah, it's gonna be enough in one division as a whole to do it like an e-fab on it. I I think I Hmm yeah, cuz I'm thinking we only have three more episodes to go for four So should we just save it to the end and do a bigger thing? Sure. We could do that I mean, we're gonna be stocked up today to be honest with you.  We'll do film into first cuz I don't know if we'll be able to do anything else You know, you know why they call it man of steel.  There's the extra man of steel now Is it three hours? It's two hours and 23 minutes. It feels like So there's an extended Two hours and 23 minutes. Oh, what was the theatrical was it two hours? Um Crab battle we actually well, I actually Decided to give it a quick rewatch since our e-fab movies, which by the way, yes It went it went down e-fab movies man of steel Memo repositories is tooling with it We're gonna leave it up for a couple of days on its own to see if it gets hit again because you know How copyright works it likes to fuck you at the worst time instead of doing it consistently It shall return batwoman episode 2 is is around about ready. It should be coming probably I don't know Monday Wednesday I don't know how to time things anymore. It's too difficult. But yes, sorry about that Some people got to see the whole thing. Some people didn't get see any of it Some people saw like half and then they were booed from it But yes, the truth is out there we didn't think man of steel is very good So I Reminder that man of steel itself is better than the entire MCU. So it's not Something that wrong is ever said well within online for four minutes. That's that's a new record.  I can't trust him ever If he said I have to go outside and check. We've got the trifecta. He said man of steel and knives out are excellent And like just well, I say that as he called one perfect and one evidence of great writing And then he called underwater like a failure In terms of writing and a bad knockoff of alienists like dude, okay, you can have several bad takes and still have good ones I still believe it's gonna be it's crazy This is gonna be the hot take of ours that underwater is way better than man of steel. It's not even close. Okay, so But to some people it will be and that's the sad for those in that sad Currently believe that man of steel is anything close to or above Fucking okay. I'm gonna we need to rock your world today. Yeah I don't know whether we should go over some broad criticisms or we should just stop video watching with things trickling in what you reckon I Think we should just start the videotisms and then couldn't all occur Because if we start talking about how bad the movie is I was It's and I guess this will sort of be our first man of steel coverage because the E-fap got copy-struck and it did indeed it shall retail In a in Avengers infinity, that's a real sad There's so much to go through for how bad this film is I'm hoping that through covering people's videos that we will get a nice chunk of I Guess the subjects will do I've asked, you know, yes fist on the docket today Man of steel how to build the greatest DC EU movie film perfection Now before this retardation begins I don't know some someone is asking you know, I think it's a good segue is man of steel better than the first Wonder Woman film Well at the end of now at the end of our I'm gonna recording we had a lengthy discussion comparing the four DC EU movie Well three at that time. Oh Yeah, that's right. Do we need to we need to do we need to break through the news to him now or should we wait about About that Batman Superman's actually the best. Yeah, sure go for it. I think I'll Superman's of the best so far. I will I'll I'll take Easily Of course the extended edition. Yes out of the woman Wonder Woman 84 man of steel and BVS extended BVS extended is the best of the four I'm so sorry everyone Remember when we saw the best that's still not very. Oh, yeah, it's not good But there's more in it that I can praise than any of the other four, but there's the least not there's the least wrong with it Um Yeah, hopefully, you know, this is the thing.  You guys have seen us covering those first two Wonder Wammons now on to the the first of Snyder's and But I mean we're better to start than announcing.  I feel like this. These are two conflicting perspectives. Don't you think? Our position So good That was it. Oh, all right. Well the film perfection is a series of his videos So I don't know if he's saying specifically this is well, but he needs a different name Perfection then surely the film's being talked about in film perfection I agree. I'm saying is that this is not the only movie. He said is film perfection Wait, is that a further mark against him? Is that I would say so action What's funny by the way is does anyone have like any kind of interesting history about a steel because I was so Disinterested with the DC you at first Batman first Superman was the one that made me start paying More attention, I guess which is kind of funny to look back on because that's literally the fucking second movie It's not even like yeah, like well There was nothing to really do yet because I remember man of steel when I watched I was like the first time around But now like paying super attention to it. It is a marvelous writing Disaster in so many ways, but I remember the my group of friends back when this came out So we're talking fucking 10 million years ago They were all arguing over Zod snap neck and whether or not Superman should or should not have done it I remember that was like the peak of discussion, which to me isn't even remotely interesting right now Why when I see that scene I'm like well, of course anyway moving on Yeah, like that's not even close.  Yeah, it's like you can't squash that bug. It's the last cockroach Wouldn't that just egg you out you'd be like, oh my god Yeah, if I had to kill the last mosquito, I definitely would I think a lot of people would make that I would announce it on Twitter calm So anyway, you guys ready for this Oh wait Where is my where the tap open did it open in that window it did All right, we're good. Why is the quality for my little bloom peak? Give me 10 because this is made of steel The resolution is irrelevant the quality will be terrible Are there quality options for watching I mean there are a little fog wheel, but I don't know if they do anything Because I've changed my but it was done This is interesting How would you how do the DCU greatest of all time the DCU that's not a sentence Well, how to go to DCU is close enough to go them into something are you trying to like I guess we didn't mention by the way that I'm on a farm On a farm I Find it the fascinating to be like, oh, do you know which one is the greatest the DCU? We always be said they're like you could pick any of them. I guess depends on the argument Wait, no Should be difficult to figure out because they're all souls. It's like no Garbage or a train as I was working on my last week's upload on Wonder Woman 1984 wasn't too positive It made me think about the main Yeah, it's very bad. I would oh, it's hot.  Yeah, I think I can agree with that I remember there's there's long pauses between the stuff. I like though and you know enjoy rather That however, Mahler that implies that there are at least two things that you like well Hey, there's two things I like to be as probably I've just kind of forgotten what I even said that I liked in that movie Alfred any scene with Alfred in it. I can just sit around sort of sneak Weaknesses with the CEU so far and how those weaknesses could potentially be fixed in the future And what I quickly realized was that in order to ever find that fix for the future We have to go all the way back to the beginning to the one and only man of steel So the idea here being We're fucking up the DC right now. We need to go back to Man of Steel to discover how we got it right at first So that there was no DCEU when man of steel came out that was like I can tell hey He's that was the first of a Superman trilogy and then they changed their minds You get the point. He's making he's saying this is the the archetypal the blueprint Though they're supposed to follow for future movies and they didn't and look how is that even a bloop what kind of blueprints I suppose That's gonna be the video You're going to explain to us how we could have made a better Wonder Woman Maybe a better I don't see how Wonder Woman 84 would be modeled in any way after this, but It's a Trilodray Trilodray Wait, is he doing the Dusty Adachi? I've seen where I guess he's why it wasn't the music that played in the scene I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. It it bugs me that of and the Superman logo aren't like together Yeah, but if Wait, oh, oh, you mean putting all yeah. Yeah, I kind of agree Yeah, why they do the right. Oh, yeah, because they were like Chris Should we put man on top of in the middle and steal on bottom?  Yeah, what's to come? No, it's just that stands for hope stands for hope It's like a ripper it's just like a ripper it's not a blood It's a plague of Egypt This film is a plague of Egypt. Do you have any proof against that?  He's 17 hours in the Batman vs. Superman. He's like, I will not let them go I'll suffer through any DC EU movie man. I do want to see the 17 hour cut I just had a curiosity, you know, I know a lot of people be like, why would you want to see this? Give him a chance Good old zaki. He knows what he's he knows what's going on Now is man or still the greatest DC you movie made so far? Well, that's a question of just personal opinion and so ultimately doesn't really matter But what does I'd be curious what wait like how he would qualify any of this if it's entirely personal opinion I'm assuming he's gonna be drawing out some stand. Let's play the game everyone It's all personal opinion, but I wonder if you'll make any statements of fact about how you should write something It should be good. Who knows? Well, I mean if this is the greatest DC EU movie clearly he thinks it is right and we're gonna learn Outman still is that it very much halts the codex key for making the greatest business new DC you movie You wouldn't want to include the broader sort of superhero movies in general like why wouldn't you want to be like Man of Steel is an example of how good it can get but the you know It probably doesn't reach the levels of and then just give me an example of what you think are the best ones Because I need a reference point we're talking strictly really not sure the best of the DC EU is a point of pride Well, I think there's not even that many of them We're like seven the seven There's more than that now probably like nine I don't know I think they're all done get the help great asbestos you guys are so mean Yeah, I guess so That coding purpose see one of core issues with the DC film universe so far has always been the case of either or Either the movies focus mainly on character and end up weak on plot. Just saying he's what Charming those phones. So what I can charge a phone or they focus mainly on plot and Character, do you think the plot in suicide squad is strong? So I don't I don't know the I've never seen suicide squad, but I've never seen its plot get praised He's got BBS in there for plot. Where didn't we say like no, yes, it's absolute gov For sure Oh Yeah, oh boy. Also the plotting man of steel is garbage, too, but we can go over that in time. I suppose I do find it amusing that he's like you see BBS suicide squad just like their problems are they focused on their plot Not their characters wait, I know what he's gonna do He's gonna go but see look the ones that focus on plot and character are great and he'll put Aquaman and Wonder Woman in there Suicide squad or they try to do both, but then ultimately crumble before the finish Before the third act I'm sorry. Yeah, I think they all tried that and they all crumbled like I don't It's all just crumble. I don't think all the other movies were just like, ah, we're just not gonna do characters Or we're just not gonna do that It'd be a crumble cake Focus not quality So what would be the point in saying this if he's not appealing to the fact that they would be of strong quality when focusing on the one That they're going for like he's trying to say that he's gonna say man of steel is the one that nailed it, right? They got both of them. Yeah, meanwhile The others either got one or the other like some of the chance and we some kind of snapped neck Like are you suggesting that he's suggesting that they focused on plot in Suicide Squad, but they failed everything anyway It's like what did they focus on the Suicide Squad? How would the solution then be Focusing on both or whatever when they failed to do even one Like I don't know what the point of this would be if he's not trying to suggest that The individual focuses of where they was they were strong where they failed was where they didn't focus Isn't isn't there that one picture that one meme picture of The of like a cat in the cat is like the eyes are fucked up So one's looking forward and one's clearly looking to like the left You know and the text would be like the ECU's focus or something along those lines. I don't know. Yeah Yeah We were like casually throw like who's like the best dialogue writers and we had a couple of stress Tarantino is always one of the most referenced ones. It's night is like Josie boy Snyder's one of the worst man It's like some of some of the dialogue even though this isn't Snyder so in fairness to him This is well. Well in fairness the Snyder didn't write Snyder didn't write man of steel That was written by David S. Goya. Maybe it's David S. Goya. That's to blame. All right Well, the general sense dialogue is kind of black in a lot of them Well, well, if we just if we just read his what he's written so he wrote terminated dark fate He wrote Batman v Superman. He wrote man of steel. Yeah He did the story for Dark Knight Rises and Dark Knight and he wrote Batman begins Well, what a cavalcade and he wrote he wrote he wrote all the blade movies, too Oh, yeah Edgar Wright is a really good dialogue writer as well. Yeah, that's a good one though I remember saying it wasn't their line or two in either Man of Steel or Bvs that we were like Oh that line was good Yeah, there's some yeah, there was some like there are little things here and there that are good. Yeah But for whatever reason maybe because of Chris Nolan man of steel is it successfully handles both I guess I'll put that on screen. I don't know. It's I don't know we did the meme We did the meme I don't need We are very clever Whatever reason that maybe because of Chris Nolan man of steel is the anomaly It successfully handles both plot and character work in a way that properly functions from beginning to end Also, it sounds like we've drifted away from personal opinion already But hey, oh also he's suggesting Aquaman is another one the only entry to do that But it is an entry that does Think see this is funny Ars in both as well I find it endlessly amusing that a lot of people think Aquaman has good characters You just like Jason Momoa and I like it too That's it because everybody else like Mara sucks dude Motion master is hilarious. He turns his rifle laser into a face later Why did he do that? What would be? It's I'm looking for the raxia. Okay.  Yeah Why would it's so impractical? I think one of my favorite things one of my favorite things. Yes. Yeah. He is a black guy Black man But I what I find funny in that movie that I remember is like every time the character said there's superheroes Super villain name. There was like a musical cue. So it's like oh ocean master I like you can call me black man I Say for the record that I don't think man of steel functions in terms of character or plot I don't think it functions at all. There is nothing in it that functions There's problems everywhere and there's huge ones Like if like if you throw a grand piano off a roof like it gets to the bottom You see when you get to the end of the time code of man of steel you're like we've completed a film Yeah, well at least the piano was fast with getting to the bottom. Let's be honest We want to hear the sound the piano makes when it crashes down It would be great Beginning to end it might not be the only entry to do that But it is an entry that does that even though it is totally valid to say that in here as well that same division I don't know if it was in our live recording if they got this far, but especially on the left like this was I don't know if there's any like Mr. Kent fans out there Like I think what oh anyone who's a fan of Superman comics is gonna be a fan of Jonathan Kent seeing him say Yeah, maybe you'll let the children drown next time Drown horrifically maybe that was the better option Clark What a great This is that was the what what's everyone's opinion on water world before I make an analogy? I only saw one super young. I forgot loads of it. Yeah, same same Because a lot of people say it's bad, but I don't remember it being bad, but I watched it when I was young So I was gonna say this is like Kevin Koster's new water world, but then I was like, I don't know It's why we're bad. It's probably not with this Yeah Water world had had balls, okay It's an entry that does that even though it is totally valid to say that in here as well that same division exists because the first half Is mostly character and the second half is mostly plot the film still Grading them like the character got a C I guess I agree there's a awkward split in this film the first half is Nothing happens plot-wise and then second half is intense levels of plot Especially because the inciting incident doesn't happen until like nearly halfway through the movie Technically the inside incident is when he finds the ship because that's what brings That insights, I don't know. I feel like the inciting incident I define it, but I thought of it as when Zod appears on earth. Well Yeah, okay at this point It's just about definition then because we're drawing different parts of the timeline that we're like the main conflict of the story Is usually what is brought about by the inciting incident, but what is in the main conflict? What is when he finds the ship and activates the the distress beacon on it for some reason which brings odd there, right? Yeah, but he doesn't know. I mean, I guess but he doesn't know That It's I feel like it's when the conflict starts and the conflict starts when Zod arrives before that when he goes on the ship All that really happens is he gets a lot of info about his past You know, it's a lot of exposition, which isn't bad in itself But it is strange that the major conflict doesn't happen until so late in the film Sure There is well that same division exists because the first half is mostly character and the second half is mostly plot The film still manages to blend those halves enough to avoid the sense of vanity that so often plagues big parts Yeah, well, yeah to his first point that there is no blending It's like the character portion of this movie is complete the plot shall now begin Wow And though it is totally valid to say that in here as well that same division exists because the first half is mostly character and the second Half is mostly plot the film still manages to blend those halves enough to avoid the sense of vanity. Does he say halves? Just have slender when he said vanity when he meant to say futility That's they are very different words. I'm also lost, but The sense of futility Yeah, what I that doesn't even seem like the right one. Yeah, I don't I didn't get a sense of futility from Maybe when when the cities are being detonated, I guess Yeah, oh no Yeah, it's like it's super man gonna do anything and I feel futility Hmm is because the first half is mostly character and the second half is mostly plot the film His reference for plot was the weird tentacle things. I guess you can say that represents odds He should just be showing Zod. I don't know why he's showing the CGI tentacle snake. Yeah, but whatever fine During the second half is mostly plot the film still manages to blend those halves enough to avoid the sense of vanity That's so often plagues big parts of other entries So that's a sense of utility Often plagues other entries in this genre. I'm assuming is what he's saying Yeah, but I don't want the futility of what yeah, I don't I don't genuinely I don't get this He's saying like when you try and combo a plot and character in a lot of entries into the superhero movie genre You end up with a sense of futility It's like a sense of it. It was impossible to win. So don't try it like I don't guess He's gonna have to explain it. Otherwise that sentence doesn't make sense on its own There's some people say vanity. It's like no, no, he he's he put all the screen futility as a correction Didn't mean to say vanity vanity is a totally different word I would then assume he's saying that the film is full of itself do some degree Yeah, the only thing entity here with us falls in the river Yeah, guy for the people in chat who aren't seeing the screen. There's a correction on screen saying futility When he said vanity, yeah ignore him saying vanity.  I Do this job and I said a word that is totally the wrong word and I should have said a completely different word for my video Should I record this line again?  I'll do something that takes longer and I'll add text to the screen for a moment Thank you. It's just in the middle. Am I gonna dress it? Am I gonna dress it up? No, put shadows on it No bold. No nice font. No, just it's just what coupon Right in the middle. There you go. I meant futility there.  I really don't get it, but we can move on To avoid the sense of vanity that so often plagues big parts of other entries Even when scenes are lacking in character or plot those scenes always still carry a clear purpose And if you've ever seen back to the future, you'll know that there's a clear purpose in a ship I would like to pause the movie at that point and be like Phil mentor. What do you think the purpose of this scene is?  Do you know what that distracts him from? There's two military guys at the bar discussing They talk about how there's an anomaly in this distant part of wherever and that they need to go and inspect it That's how he knows about it the ship He overhears two army dudes talking about an anomaly in some distant area of earth and by the way the first assumption Is that it's an old submarine Okay, so does Clark just search for all Anomalies on earth to find that hopefully maybe krypton sent a ship here 20,000 years ago Cuz I was gonna ask I'm not sure how he found the ship I wish that's the answer Wow Yeah, you overheard two army guys talking about it And so he became a photographer for the daily planet with false, you know ID and then just the first night there He decides right? I'm gonna go up the ship myself at the exact same time that Lois exits her tent and takes a photo And she catches him on the camera and she zooms in and says enhance Subtlety to herself and she can see him Where are you doing and then she follows him and what's possibly one of those dangerous seeds that she's I've been here Plot of the roof. What did you have to worry about? Establish That at night it gets to like negative 30 or negative 40 something like that and she just goes out in her jacket Yeah, you're right. They do establish this negative 40.  They literally say we wouldn't be able to find your body if you stood aside And if they knew that in the plot she leaves like what are you doing to find she has a coat Jack's Yeah, so that that's all garbage, but clock is inspecting shit. He has no idea what's gonna happen He's just like hmm. What's this? What's it? Oh, this panel fits the key that I was sent to earth with I don't think he even remotely expects to be able to talk to his dad He's just he's just fiddling What what is he even looking for? Anything before this is all established. He says to Jonathan.  He's just like, uh, this is a weird this could have been a ship from anywhere He's just like, I don't know could be hopefully his crypto. I guess so if he was just like around in the restaurant working there, I guess or whatever he does there and Like though the waitress had gone to the two military guys It was taken their order like the movie wouldn't have happened. Well, what's really crazy about this is that he Lifts the ship off and lands it in some other distant area that night had he not the government would have taken control over it. Oh Wow, good. He showed up that day and he went there that night All of that is held up by matchsticks and he's complimenting that's plot by the way, which is in the first half of the film Something has to happen because it ain't Hearing it's not that he it's not at all like an old person could have heard what the The army dudes were talking about it's the fact that All the places that these two guys could have been they happen to be discussing this openly with an earshot of the one person who needs to find the ship on earth It They're discussing it in a very vague way to like oh, they found some anomaly in the ice So we're just like oh, that's definitely gonna be evidence of my people. There's no other way Well, this is what I mean. I was like wait, so does he inspect these regularly like does he keep an eye on the news? You like Many questions All the weird alien places. These are the two guys look found them. They're just about anomalies, you know And and as you do lucky man because this was the anomaly that he needed to find especially a day before the government fiddled with it, you know crazy Which and creates the central question about man of steel we need to answer Hit me so it's not lacking in plot then you said it was but it's not yeah, if that's a very central It's you cannot remove that scene from the film and have it still function. So it is critical I you need to think rethink what you're saying. Wow Picking on you Video or anything So this is how we'll do it, I guess right so over the course of the stream We are going to pick apart loads of different scenes and then you could decide for yourself the entire film functions anymore after all of That would have me laugh it on the second time around because basically they've got clock trapped on there They're super ship, which is another point of fuck-upery that will go over in a bit And when they're down there their job their goal is to find the codex They don't know yet that it's in his blood. So they're just like where do we go first like well Maybe his mom knows they strangle her and say where's the Codex or where's the the ship that he came in on and she looks at the barn And then they jump into the barn break open the ship no codex in there She comes back tell Zod and he goes broad throws a car in a house Okay, please stop Like did you describe for me like what does it look like how big is it?  Ah Don No, I guess I'll throw a car at the place that very likely might have the codex in it Would any of these humans know what the codex is by name anyway, yeah Where's the codex I have no idea what that you mean an index like in a book I Have a big old question now So do it when when the government comes along to like fix smallville after it's been destroyed And they find out that a truck has been thrown into a random house in the middle of a field When they are Fixing that house because I assume that Martha doesn't have enough money to rebuild her whole house Are they not going to go into the barn and find that giant spaceship and then Yeah That's a whole other thing we should probably wait until we get printed on that one That's probably the biggest problem with the movie, but I love tossing the fucking card to the house is hilarious Search the house buddy. He's been searching for the codex in this scene for about two minutes and he's already Such great visual effects. Oh, of course The ways this film so fully handles both character and plot to create a worth while That's all future franchise entries should learn Yeah, well, he's only got 18 minutes. He has to repeat Can anyone guess what this third great element of the movie is from the silhouette Close Incredible music no woman with a knife Specifically is the third best part of this element Well, so this is the interesting thing before you even hear whatever this argument is gonna be wouldn't wouldn't you just be like wait? What even was she she was just like a Randy? She was a loser villain Yeah, she because we were talking about this earlier like her she has when she's fight Superman her speeches Oh, you have morality and we don't and that means that we have an evolutionary Like come on come on. Yeah one that's wrong to I am evil. Yeah, there's a lot You have you are you are the good guy. I am the bad guy. Let us now continue to fight now that we have a Someone just put the coin in for every human you say we'll kill a million more like So to read her full quote about reality though This is that you're gonna want to stop me But I say it's just a little longer than you might expect the fact that you have morality and we don't gives us an Evolutionary advantage and if history has proven anything it's that evolution always wins Yeah, I mean Kryptonians one when they blow up their planet. Yeah, what what based evolution you guys Reality our planet blowed up. Kryptonians totally have morality they constantly talk about what they think is the right and wrong decision like what do you mean? What is that? Airband of hooligans specifically and also clearly Clearly Zod has morality because he's really sad that all the Kryptonians are gone Yeah, he's also very angry a lot whatever things that way Also, if we if we pretend that the only creatures that have any semblance of humans and we're doing pretty all right in terms of evolution Where we're doing pretty good. I mean, you know Kryptonians you guys blew yourselves up I feel like we're doing a little better, you know, I guess we haven't traveled across the galaxies for thousands of hundreds of thousands a year So, yeah, look where I got them One planet and all die. I love that comparison. It's like humans are restricted to Kryptonians aren't restricted to any one planet. In fact, any one star system They traveled across them for hundreds of thousands of years, but they lost And then they abandoned that pursuit even though they were overpopulated on their own planet Like we'll get into this more. Yeah. Yeah, the world will building is catastrophic, but I'm gonna save that point for later That's the amazing comment. This is so good DC movies, but I'll have to read this book on psychology first to explain So sick of that it's just like oh before I explain it what's your mind's me sick argument I'm gonna have to cite this book that I've read Guys, I read books So we'll get to that Here's what the DCEU has to learn from Man of Steel's Codex of Purpose Thematic bedrock is is that they lack purpose is the key factor You got to get purpose right in your in your plot character combo up superhero movies I guess and a codex is an ancient manuscript text in book form That's the meme element See the drive be the drive drive Character like it It's like a joke for computers. Yeah, that's what I was about to say like Oh the drive, but it broke Well, maybe he's saying see his character and then it's more specific like a sub title the drive Like see like we've we've done a and B and now we're at C the drive. All right First he'll succeeds at the character side is by giving our hero Clark one central inner drive that the character scenes always revolve around All right, what is the drive? Let's try and guess before he says it Figuring out to understand his identity. Yeah to figure out what he's gonna do in life Why was he sent to earth like why did he land here on earth? Yeah, that was drive it who who is who is people are Because can't be called Clark solo, so you got to find out who his people are and then Figure out what he's gonna do in terms of is he gonna help people or not, right? That's the the things he wants to figure out. He's got a choose find out that he wants to help people. Yeah All right.  I'm the best symbolizes the freedom to find and choose your own role. We've had a child son free to forge his own destiny Oh, he skipped the line where he says a boy child He says a boy child also known as a son, but he's Essentially then makes Clark's inner drive or character goal very simple to find out who he is and figure out his place in the universe And to be clear this isn't plot because there's no external stakes or urgency or anything like that tied to it It's just an internal. Oh, I think a character looking for something is sort of plot Well, yeah, because you could describe it in the synopsis Our hero is looking for meaning in the world looking to find his place in the world Like if you want to get real technical with plot Like it's not just it doesn't become plot once he finds it Well, I guess he's saying that this is nothing to do with plot because Zod is the plot I mean he's faking an identity to be employed at the base where they're discovering this ship and Searching down every lead he can about anomalies in the ice and stuff like that that's plot Towards a goal, you know characters generated a plot line that he's following to get to a goal If he's just sitting on a bus looking at the window going, am I I guess that's not Damn a girl child Will wriggle that affects only Clark and the purpose of the plotless character scenes in the first half of the movie is Explored this one aspect. Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that thing? I think it's a meme, right? Like evanescence is edgy and teenager like that's you supposed to laugh rags do it Praise of the movie With a z I don't know very man of steel.  Oh, I really hope so He's gonna address it head-on. Yeah, just be clear chat. This is a scene where the Clark not Clark Kent Bob Kent John Kent He's like, yeah, he he says maybe you should have let that busload of children drown Just be clear. This is that scene. That's this scene. That's this scene This is the this is the the pickup truck scene the infamous pickup truck scene He is to all explore this one aspect further for example after the krypton prologue We get this scene of young Clark at school which carries no plot purpose whatsoever, but the purpose it does carry is this You should drink more milk. I mean milk Yeah, I mean him shoring his powers sort of but This is probably one of the scenes that's like totally chill with me It's like yeah, I figure it was to show us like he had a rough growing up period because of his powers giving him like a horrible Series of moments and his mom was the one who was there to calm him down and keep him sane, which by the way Fuck this clock Kent Like he doesn't appreciate his parents anywhere near as much as he should Yeah, it's well one question I had when watching the early scenes was like does he just discover these powers at this age? I don't know. I guess the atmosphere finally gets to him Yeah, that was kind of weird to me. It seems like this is the first time this has happened to him Yeah, you think it's why it didn't happen early But like he seems not only use it well, but like fully understand his eye lasers just seconds from now, too Yeah, I'm into it how to use it. I don't know. It's a little strange I guess the idea is that puberty is like when they come in but I don't know When they come what I got them it I didn't want to say it But you thought it you disgusting creature Hey, come. Oh Right the point here is to visually establish to the audience that oh, yeah What's where what's really bad too about having x-ray vision is you can't close your eyes. It won't do anything Hmm, maybe his skin is like lead Usually established to the audience that oh, yeah, Clark doesn't fit the pre-assigned role of a normal human school kid He's just he's just explaining Superman's not normal or one sent us back to 26. Where are we? Oh Just me or is he just explaining the very surface level elements of what's going on in this scene I was gonna say like this seat establishes. He did not have a normal upbringing. It's like. Yeah, yeah Yes, I also watch the movie I know that this is Superman love to see where he goes with it instead Oh, yeah, Clark doesn't fit the pre-assigned role of a normal human school kid Which consequently pushes the progress bar of our main character exploration journey one step further later on We use that it's don't bother Like the whole pre-assigned role of a school kid is like as if anyone fits that That's like the whole problem right now is everyone fucking hates school I don't want to be in school schools for nerds But he's treated like a freak and he's like, you know beating up by those kids But like a lot of people get beaten up by bullies. Yep some point in their life. It's not especially remarkable I mean people like they do you know clock is like you see my role was to become an incredibly handsome and strong superhero And so I was like I added up a dead ease It's nice I'm managed sponsorship right ain't ain't not it not everyone could manage an I hop, but I do it I can do it in their school bus from drowning earlier was Which then consequently makes us realize that oh, yeah because Clark doesn't fit the pre-assigned role of a normal human school Kid he might actually why does he say pre-assigned role of a human? Do things here is he trying to relate it to the Krypton shit with the pre-assigned role I think yes, but so so Krypton is like like a dystopian version of Plato's Republic But that's not what earth is it exploded. Yeah, it's not even it doesn't matter his whole point that So the so the whole point of him being him basically by his parents His parents made him so that he wouldn't be pre-created and all that sort of thing So and then he goes to earth, and I don't do that anyway, so it's it's like not yeah Relevant like I don't really get the distinction because either nobody fits the pre-assigned role Or I mean, you there's nothing to fit you just go to school You know if he was a typical Kryptonian right if he was evolutionary assigned to be a really great fishmonger and He it goes to earth.  He's actually really stressful because he doesn't fit in but he's like the way he's explaining It should be more focused on. Yeah, he's he's not like other humans. That's not that he doesn't fit the pre-assigned role Yeah, it's a weird way to do Providence which then consequently makes us realize that oh, yeah Because Clark doesn't fit the pre-assigned role of a normal human school kid. He might actually get in real trouble Oh, is he gonna say it?  He's learning how to fly. Whoa. There's no He's trying to learn how to fly the mountain he crashes through When he I mean to be fair, this isn't like furthering the plot of the movie sure But like it's weird to categorize this this way him learning to fly is integral to the plot Yeah, I don't think anyone who doesn't like this movie is saying the scene is unnecessary. They should have cut it Yeah, thank you for thank you for pointing at the only person on screen It's not because he's he's saying that like it's it is important, but it's strictly character not plot I just find that interesting Who's saying it isn't important because it's not I don't think anybody's saying it isn't important Not even him. It's fine Again serves absolutely no purpose in terms of the plot There's no external challenges or obstacles forcing Clark to learn to fly here or else It's just this cool thing. We seem to you don't have to plot doesn't have to force characters to do things Like you can literally have a plot generated from someone being curious to do something that day like yeah Like someone holding a gun to his head Yep, but it's a finger gun rags. They do way more damage It's an air gun it's mind bullets Just gonna pause for safety there. Yeah, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta be gotta be careful with these These streams Don't take this movie too seriously. It's a space. It's a movie about space Jesus for children. Yeah Oh But as before the reason this sequence Important is because it serves as the clear next step in our character journey by showing us and Clark Not necessarily fully who he is yet, but rather who he can be and why did you take so long to say he learns how to fly? He's saying that this thing shows that he's learning who he may become or something it's like he's flying He learns how to fly he's fucking it up a little he learns how to fly pretty chill Thus once again pushing that progress bar one step further and with pretty much every plotless scene in the first half This is their purpose for existing to further explore Clark's inner journey of finding his own place in a world See, okay, this is where I really do have to draw the line in this whole plot thing Zod comes because the shit's shit ships Thing activates because he puts the key in it and does all the things because Jonathan can't gave him this and showed Him his ship when he was younger, you know, like these are all things that connect the overall thing of bringing Zod in To call them plotless to me is like We're now to point where I need to know what you mean when you say plot Yeah World in which he knows no pre-determined fit whether it's exploring the question of what issue do Your family not mine. Yeah, that's a Yeah Yeah, yeah Clark's characters kind of like I don't care about him as a character I don't care what happens to him. I don't I just don't care about it.  It's like Yeah Act Like the point of that conversation is supposed to be like what really comes of violence is just like I mean We break Zod's neck in the finale to save the day, so That was the point I think the point is like they treat it as if oh if you if you fought back You'd be showing that you're different and that you're powerful and it's like you can punch at a normal speed Yeah, you can just throw a regular human punch Well, and you could learn to stand up for yourself against bullies and all the things that would be good But they treat it as if oh if you fight back at all then they'd know you're an alien monster, so Little light punch back and you know when the guy pulls the beer on him rags was like you could you could push him Yeah, you could like push him give him a little shove.  You're like a normal human regardless of powers. Yeah Yeah, the whole point is that he's like, hey, I think you should go when he's I'm not going Where's the beer on him? Just like throw him out of the bar like a bouncer. Yeah, but instead He avoids the conflict and like like he goes and he like stabs his truck with trees He doesn't it's not heroic at all. It seems like rather like backhanded. It's what you would call unhinged Yeah, you just impale the truck on loads of logs.  This is a yeah, like that's crazy There's no way that he could have done it without people knowing just impossible now they would have heard it It's a truck being impaled with giant with logs Since we're bringing it up. I want to show everyone at first that is what he does I'm kind of an impressive art piece the way he makes it stable Yeah, like I'm quite like it's pretty cool.  Okay? What is that?  It's just like okay now look Okay, so it flies that way. So just look that way and we got it. All right. Thanks. That's a wrap as um The meme repository that pointed out. I think I think he shows it in the the man of steel coverage, but when Lois is about to die from the thing we're talking more about that later There's this sort of moment where it's like oh god We're heading right down. What do we do and and Superman looks at her through the glass and then decides to punch through But the expression he makes Such a weird I think this is here realizing oh god, he's gonna kill me Especially when he does that Oh It's a weird scene there's more to say all that as we progress though Well, I just want to one last thing about the log scene It's not exactly like a a Chad move to like avoid the confrontation in the moment and then like Destroy his truck when he's not even around Not exactly a heroic way of handling that situation Yeah, it's it's very It it's on yeah, he said it I mean, it's just like a more dramatic wave like oh, he's just keyed his car instead like If you were a super weak scrawny guy and you couldn't have possibly taken him on in any way And you had to get back at him somehow. I was like, okay, I don't understand that but you're Superman. Yeah It's a really weird moment. You watched how to get revenge with Linda Blair From every child was designed to fulfill a predetermined role in our society Then once we get to the midpoint where we have explored the Clark's inner journey quite far the movie finally shifts focus on the plot Which of course? As always is the case in this franchise But the thing you'll notice is that my eyes and ears are confused what yeah my senses, but I think that was Achievement I'm sure he didn't say anything about you But but the thing you'll notice is that even though man of steel does allow the plot to take over It still doesn't just forget about the character side all together But instead now moves to gradually resolve it was the first half was about Clark searching who he is in the universe The second half is all about him having to based on that search finally once and for all choose who he is But the way that the way they informed the way of this decision is Really pathetic though. Yeah, this is one of those like do you want to experience infinite pain for all eternity? Or do you want to have an ice cream?  He grows up on earth. He has parents who are earthlings He has family and friends and all that sort of stuff. He has a job and he knows people This is the only society.  So you're like, yeah, hey, but which one Clark choose Gee, I have no idea which one Clark would side with now if the cryptos were super nice and amazing and They they had a whole cool civilization and they were neat and they were so happy to see them And they wanted them to come on back and hey look, okay Muppets and space did this better.  It's pathetic Saying you weren't convinced by the part where he was drowning in skulls I mean that what would have got me was like, yeah, those guys are cool I was convinced of that point But when he showed all of the the buildings and everything getting obliterated around Superman that was where I was like, you know, I Can definitely see the benefits here Skulls Muppets and tigger expert Probably a Barbie movie where she well that's some hold up That's uh, oh There's gotta be one like that where she decides to be with like her true family or whatever like that because that's such a common thing Oh and have to look back and find out I think at the end of princess and the popper the popper Barbie Has the opportunity no, I think she takes it never never mind. That's not a good analogy. I'll get back to you The most charitable way of interpreting this choice is a group of people who want to genocide all of humanity to terraform the planet or Humanity which might be a little freaked out at the fact that you're an alien That's the choice.  Why do you have to destroy the house to live at it?  That's a whole nother thing whether Zod should even bother terraforming the planet. Yeah all the references we have are Clock is used to earth atmosphere because he's lived here his whole life You're like, okay was it was fine like the reason I'm gonna set this is because nothing makes any sense, right?  He goes on their ship and he starts coughing blood and they tell him He's never gonna be able to be as strong as Superman while on that ship and that's why they can hold him down however Jor-El is released and he changes the atmosphere on the ship to earth atmosphere. That's why he gets his strength back. There's more Bullshit to that we're gonna ignore it for a second All of the enemies are on earth with their atmospherisms and that allows them to Have access to super strength still because apparently that's just something they have in general even though it was Stated like in the beginning the by going to earth. He's gonna become super strong They are also super strong. It's like, huh?  What's this character's name? Jor-El. Jor-El Jor-El he says specifically that the atmosphere on Krypton is harsher than earth So why on earth would you tarot for? He says that from his perspective he thinks he's saying that it's harsher for Krypton's The atmosphere on Krypton is harsher for Krypton's than it is on earth. So why on earth would you terraform it?  Yeah, but it's but it's inconvenient for 20 minutes Because of course Zod and the only other one I think vaguely is the girl like they vaguely start They're the two that start experiencing benefits from that's why Zod is like a almost unstoppable in the final fight He's like he's got full into the earth's benefits And you start to wonder if the atmosphere is better and you get superpowers Why in the world would you want to terraform earth? You like destroy all of it The big important part to note is that the superpowers are from the Sun specifically not But at the same time that means that you don't need to terraform it Like why you can't live on those superpowers have to come from yeah arc is proof of that Remember the Sun is hitting them for ages before they get the powers Yeah, no, I know The atmospherics is what is changed by those masks But they're wearing the other wearing the the suits and everything without the masks So maybe only their faces of superpowers like they have really good taste and smell I don't know like Zod takes off his mask. It takes like 10 seconds for him to chill out You know as John Bishop just reminded me. There's a quote where he says Would you like do you honestly expect us to endure years of pain like your son did to get used to the atmospherics?  He's lying. Yeah. Yeah Clark went into a closet for a while and was all right. So Oh People in the comments are saying in the comics, it's the Sun but that the film kind of changes Well, the flip-flops. Yeah, because they're in the Sun for a while It's only once they start having to breathe earth's atmosphere that they start to experience the X revision and shit But but then if you I guess that's what I mean, right?   I don't even think he deserves that embarrassing title Yeah Like any of to stand on a Yeah, how much do you know we we've talked about this right or have we how was he able to make these visuals? We don't know we we have to assume it's Kryptonian mind hallucination Yeah They have a special hologram Do this or something? I don't you would think you would think he would try to convince him by downplaying the genocide He wouldn't even remember. He doesn't have a sense of morality. So what even is this image? Even pragmatically you just like well, he has something I want so I should give it to me and Instead like instead of just telling him hey, you have something that we need could we have it? He's like he goes on this this long-winded diatribe about destroying the earth and Yeah, like We needed another character called flunk that he was Just If we show this is an easy choice, come on Constantly giving me the wrong information Monk goes up to Zod. He's like maybe you just ask him for it. Like no I will find him And yeah, I think the film would have been way better if Zod were way more agreeable and Intelligent but you find out his ultimate goal is Krypton's over earthlings, which would be perfectly reasonable Remember while we're talking about great character writing in dialogue You remember at the end of the film when he's about to fight superman He literally says you've taken my soul I Think it's a weird to he says something like my soul that Michael Shannon did good. He certainly emoted Oh my god, did I just scan directly to it?  Oh No, just a head damn, I want to play it for this Yeah, I got to play both of those clips not we mentioned them. Okay, so here's number one I will find him I like the drums coming Now I need to find the farm Like if their goal is to destroy humans, they've only got one check So what well remember because by that point Superman had already this is why the final choice doesn't mean anything He's already destroyed the chance of Krypton ever existing again.    I'm gonna play it cleanly now. We just needed this one to Trained my entire life Master my senses It takes so long copyright. You just let me play one minute scenes YouTube it'd be funny Isn't that a good enough reason? I think that's good enough Yeah, that's a pretty good pose, too This is a guy who is ready to bat What's the dillio Zod watch I am no corn Farm born they are the disgusting Yeah, so when you have an actor like Michael Shannon who is capable of being very very good This is all the director's fault And the dialogue or whoever wrote it whatever it is some combination of all that I wish I was trained on a farm Anyway, it's an unmoldable occasions. He does Oh, whoa, that guy's so dead I like how Superman choosing to prevent a human being from splattering his organs across the floor is considered an interesting choice It's not a choice. Isn't it like obvious this what I mean I don't I didn't detect this as being like wow This is so character driven and like I understand how it tells you what his character is But I never thought this was out of the realm of Superman's character to begin with Yeah, I this is to like can I save someone it like through no effort on my part in total safety He's so dead I That guy dies immediately afterwards because the Kryptonians right there We've already been shown several times in the flashbacks that he chooses to do the good thing, you know, like yeah, we're The idea there at that point in the film I was supposed to be like will clock save that man or not like Yeah, before he saved him. It was in doubt whether or not Superman would try and save however If we're gonna do this right if we're gonna say every individual decision for him to save someone is Characterization then you have to concede every time he doesn't save someone or put someone in danger. That is a decision on his part, too Right. So when he crashes that spaceship through seven buildings, you know When he tackles Zod into a parking garage when he tackles him into an IHOP when he tackles him into a grocery store When he flies up into space and like then they make that Wayne Satellite crash into earth and all of the debris rays on people, you know Well, there's an interesting one. I think I was bringing up when in the call before we started up. So you got um, I Don't know what the jets they're coming in to to blast all of the Kryptonians and Superman fighting now They were having their face off on the street, but they start firing before so Superman as you can see him here He just zooms off to the side. He'll be fine Superman, right? And then now I'm gonna play it without showing it on stream for the for obvious reasons One three two two five is when he sped off to the side Well And that's the thing we do. I'm doing a real time for the movie But well real time for the actual like time code who knows how long it was actually a movie time But uh, yeah, the bullets hit the Kryptonians and they got a little annoyed and then this dude here I'm like the big man. He jumps on to one of the jets tears it to shreds And you know as an audience man be like, oh my god, this perfectly sets just how horrifying these dudes are We got to be real careful But we're already coming up to 20 seconds since we lost so Superman. Where is he? What's he doing? Like hello people are getting ripped here. Yeah, like you're you're here, right in this town This town is one street knit surely you can't get lost and if anyone wanted to be like well I guess he's out of commission.  Yes, Superman's just a little incompetent sauce Remember how when he tackled Zod, you know when he was saving Martha and then he he tackles him through a petrol station and blows that all up. Yeah Yeah, these are things so like the best apologetics you can get is the oh, it's all an accident.  Like why did you do this?  I don't know what that tells us about him exactly Nothing good. Mmm. Nothing heroic Tony and even though he was born on Krypton He doesn't view himself as human even though he grew up on earth. He doesn't which is bizarre I think that's the most part of the movie. I think yeah One of the things that bugs me the most about this interpretation of Superman making him Like the whole idea is that he is a human being That's kind of like the gist of it. I don't basically adapt to she could do whatever you want, but I don't like it It's it's really bad really bad move It goes beyond just the adaptation argument because I don't think it makes sense in the context of this movie With the Krypton's Kryptonians, so I don't think we're given any reason for him to you telling me that he grew up Exclusively with two human parents in a normal human life except he has powers 30 years I like I just don't really fit in and earth. It's like you mean But you do though you totally do Yeah, everyone treats you just like you're like you're a human like you're you're one of them We didn't really get what I would call the the content on that side of his Development I would say and the only Kryptonians he meets in person who are actually who actually exist our genocide of lunatics So you think it would be pretty easy Yeah, you think he'd see you think he'd be very Outspoken about how no, I'm not one of you. I'm a I'm a I'm hurt or I'm an earthling. These are my people very very Openly and very early in the movie too someone brought up like he is new to this Like it doesn't matter if you knew when you're driving him He drives him into these buildings like you have a choice of where you're gonna fly. Yeah He clearly brings him down here deliberately So I don't even like this whole time you can try and think about what his decisions are and then he takes him You know what fight in the cornfield go for it Fight the cornfield But to take him out of the cornfield Probably not a great idea.   Like why would it be safe to be in buildings? Now that I've just got that idea on my head of um, you know, like just the opening scene of Batman v Superman Is that kid whose mom got blown up? And he's watching the news report that it plays that like Oh So it's got a beam of Kylo Reds a most Smith. Where did you train? No where? It's that help your way. It would make sense. I like it But yeah, this is the carnage in this movie cannot be understated and I already know there's defenses I'm aware of this just like hey, it's his opening outing. Okay.  They call it Captain America 3 the war of the civil. Yeah. Oh, that really bad one All right, Phil Mendo, what else you got Doesn't view himself as human even though he grew up on earth He doesn't place himself in a signed role, but instead based on what plays it, you're not no It's not that you're pre-assigned. It's that I grew up on earth My parents are earthlings all the people I know are earthlings I am that their culture is my culture. It's the only life that I've ever known is not that you've like been pre Whatever to do this like no, that's a result of what happens.  Is he trying to say that because of Jor-El sending him here? But he was sent here to make his own destiny, but they like well, what if his destiny was make his own destiny? At this point, it's just not even worth discussing He plays himself in any pre-assigned role, but instead based on what he's learned so far chooses to form his own He wants both worlds to prosper, but he We never get to explore that Yeah, none of this is the movie This conversation on a prosper.  That's the problem like this conversation needs to happen where they actually address the core issue Which is earth or Krypton and you have to choose one and you have to make it so the Krypton is an actual good prospect Yeah, it's actually a feeling choice.  Just what happened. You have Zod invites Superman onto the ship at the cut he says Otherwise for if you don't then the world will suffer.  How does that work? Oh, yeah, it's very true. Aries got exploded though Yeah, he got love beamed in the chest Dialogue wise was him saying no love my only weakness. I Know they call that one rags that one was in there. They nailed that one.  Don't do that properly. I'm sorry You're giving credit where it's not do the idea that it was a choice between Krypton and earth is never in any way leveled out It doesn't make any sense at all as a choice It's laugh. It is actually worse for the Kryptonians to choose Krypton How did you even do that like how did you write it so that the people whose planet they want back?   Oh, yeah. Oh, you're doing awesome If that's oh, all right If this all happened before Aries had been killed and Aries is like for some reason like not cool with Kryptonians They're like ruining his whole plan with humans.   No, you're terraforming it. Ew.  What was his name flunk? Yeah, he needs to just pop up in these. Oh my god, the Polish scream for Superman. It was kind of terrifying You You could there's so many lines that work so well We've already had one of some of the top comments on the the unlisted Man of steel copyrighted now. We can't view it. I'm think those people are suggesting better lines It's like literally many things. I don't say all many things would have been better and I just I don't know what they were thinking An unsung hero in this journey, he also has to be drawn with a lump on his head Massive brain The flunk brain That's how he writes his name in signature. It doesn't look quite right, but you can kind of see that it says flunk Yeah, I like how his leg is disconnected There you go, it's fixed For all flunk DCEU should keep it mine.  We skip. Oh my goodness Essentially what the DCEU should keep in mind about the character side going forward when you have scenes not driven by plot Make sure those scenes always Explore your heroes in a journey I didn't even notice they did it a couple of times in the movies. It's definitely handheld I'm pretty sure I mentioned that in our recording as well. Yeah, I don't think there's a locked-off shot in the whole movie I think it's all held You might make sure those scenes always further explore your heroes in her journey of want and struggle because like what I'm standing And I'm looking at something. I don't have like the palsy or something And I'm just like Intensity ranks intensity This is a very intense scene.  I Don't know.  It's so bad It's not proven by plot make sure those scenes always further explore your heroes in her journey of want and struggle And when you finally ramp up, wait, so if it's not about the plot, it's gotta be about character What if it's about the wheel building? There's a cub It's it's the the point is whether it's executed well or not like yeah Shouldn't that be obvious at this point like do it well and it's fine Not every scene needs to further the literal plot if it's executed Well, if it's if it's communicating something in terms of world building or you know Whatever it is as long as it's done well the sort of fundamental people usually appeal to is that your scene needs to give you some form of piece of information that either Commits to a payoff or builds to a pay off. There needs to be something. Well, why sorry could you have paid that again? So if like the fundamental people usually appeal to is that the scene has to achieve something in terms of new Informational useful information and that's going to be in relation to paying them something awful leading to payoffs Yeah, that's generally though I think that um you could have stuff I think I think the people tend to very rigidly like one of the most common and Incorrect pieces of writing advice is that if it doesn't advance the plot cut it It's like well, what if it's advancing the character or the theme or the world? Well, like I'm even in favor of you can have stuff that's point is to Not have a point in this necessarily or something that could be it really depends on execution Yeah, when I want to appeal to Tarantino's character in reservoir dogs ranting about Madonna and then the conversation about tipping like that doesn't further plot But it's interesting and you learn a lot about character. This is character. So that counts You got to find something that doesn't further character plot world building theme anything at all But then argue why it should be kept in But all this is a joke Like literally some other joke you movies that have scenes that don't further anything I feel like the point is that they don't do it well not that they don't do it I guess that scene of just having Steve Trevor seal that modern-day stuff isn't like advancing anything really I Mean you could call it character stuff, but the point is that I guess I guess in my opinion I don't know Yeah, no, I'm not sure either Since always further explore your hero's inner journey of want and struggle and when you finally ramp up the plot toward the end Don't just forget about that character journey, but instead force your own journey Oh my god, the advice when you get to the point where your plot is ramping up. Don't forget about your characters. It's like Yeah Yeah, just just shorten it. Don't forget about your characters. Don't forget about things that matter. Yeah, I forget about anything That's important. Don't forget. I think maybe he's right Maybe we should be advising this because all we get these days like hey guys You have characters in your movie by the way, you don't need to just have things explode It's like hmm. Yeah based on what those characters are I don't inform what they actually do and what they do is the plot So funny as well because he's obviously appealing to like how we keep with clock in this ending So when he decides to destroy Zod ship, that's like a culmination of all of what we've learned in this film about his It's like no no no he does the obvious thing There's no other journey choice to make that would be reasonable like what what Benefit is that a clock for him to not destroy that ship remember the world building? Sorry world engine has been destroyed at that point So, you know what actually? If the world engine is destroyed, which means the atmosphere of earth can no longer be fucked with by Zod But he's also got all of the embryos on that ship and then the clock has the codex technically speaking You could now appeal to Zod being like the will gendern just fucked So can you please land this ship and we can talk about what can happen with Krypton or Kryptonians? But instead he's like no Krypton had his chance So yeah, I don't know that's kind of funny to think about actually Yeah, you know at the end of at the end of treasure planet you have long john silver cyborg and he's holding on to the ship full of treasure and Jim is down below and he needs some help where he's gonna die and Silver looks at the ship full of treasure, which is what he's been looking at the whole movie Then he looks at Jim and then the treasure in the gym that he finally decides to save Jim spoilers like this is Like basic shit. Mm-hmm. You had give me a reason to care about a decision that characters are making And in a movie of this budget in this scale, you think that the basics the they'd nail Remember I'm the roof I guess a reverse of that would be when Benny chooses the money The bubby what Benny Benny keeps trying to get more more jewels and golden shit and then it eventually costs his life because he's not worrying about what's important and I mean in the other joints and stuff this several times right away like Tara what was her name and last crusade or each and for the for the Holy yeah, Elsa's And he's like come on stop it like and uh in crystal skull Oh Then she falls and then Indy's in the same spot and then his dad's like let it go Indy Just I'm just not thinking about this because it kind of I haven't even thought about the fact that like yeah All the embryos are on that ship because you see them pour out and it's just like wait Why did Superman destroy all of them? They have their chance Did his Superman like did he commit like super abortion look I got the image up That's the the embryo. That's the embryo tank it like explodes and all of it pulls out I'm guessing this is the juice that ends up making doomsday It might be actually oh my god, that's the doom. It's the doom Look at this high res doom juice I can that's a good question why he would destroy all that because like They're not the ones trying to genocide go here we go again. The pods are empty. Okay, so They're empty. Okay. Does he know that does he know how this works?  It allows them to grow people in these pods So destroying the pods is effectively Genocide in cryptons. So Kryptonians. Okay, do you understand?  We've got a couple of Kryptonians left.  So now can we actually have the conversation of can we live together? Is that possible Zod you cunt? That's so bad. Yeah, well, like I said, the actual drama would put it was potentially there, but they just never did it Yeah, this new wrote it was um Well, you know this new role is other ones character journey the embryos had their chance Instead force your hero to overcome the external plot obstacles by choosing the resolution for it Choosing the resolution for oh god So dramatically it must have been a really yeah, I like how he's got all these little boxes here as if he's built up a point But he hasn't yeah, this is a very empty video. The point is fully loaded have characters like yeah Thanks. Whoa Don't forget your character development later in the movie Okay, does he not think of the same speed each eye links at a different speed So if you catch it at the right time you catch the driver Pea the driver plot the driver See so we gotta see The drive and the plot is the driver. Don't you think there was a better way to full? No, that's the opposite formatting. Yeah, surely that's surely he got those reversed Yeah, surely it's the driver of the plot the plot is the drive Surely I think you're right. He surely got that mixed up if I was to Eyeball it I would have assumed it would be the reverse that the driver would be the person and then the drive is the external ship Yeah, or what comes from within them as a result of the you know like the drive between a and b and you're the driver See the drive be the driver. Yeah, I feel like you can if he's doing the meme of like how c drives Well, now I don't think that is what he means Secondly the way men are still succeeds at the plot side is by establishing an external scenario that features all the required components of a functional plot Oh, all the required components of a functional plot.  The whole room is falling apart within the next few minutes Um, what oh my goodness middle. I agree entirely Yeah Very tiny helicopter. Yeah middle your mic is all tis me What i'm not even doing anything it just went Yeah, we're like There was nothing in here like I didn't even touch the microphone. I don't know I don't know if you need to unplug and plug it back in or something. Yeah, give the old plug an unplug Stop farting stop That is a weird fart if it's he's german's what Comes out sounding like an Apache helicopter All right. Well while he's doing that It's a beck. Are we fine now? I think we're all right now. I think so. Yeah I thought I didn't even touch the microphone. Didn't adjust anything.  Geez on purpose too. So you have clear gold stakes and urgency Stakes and Even though the main plot here does go through a couple shifts in the process The central crux of it is arrives to earth in order to well Krypton lives again.  Well, I think somebody might be like, well, yeah and you're like But saw it doesn't see himself like that.  Do you see where I might have an issue Much in the same way that you have an issue And he's just like, huh? No, I thought I'd convince you by showing you the skulls. I'm confused And I thought I would convince you by uh having something drag you into the skulls while That was an interesting choice. Yeah Ignore the skulls Yeah, ignore the skulls. They're totally coincidental I like how all of the imagery it's like so one of the destroyed things a playgrounds like swing set um a farm Which is where he's from in a house. Why did you think these would work dead children and farms? All right It reminds me of the mom in hillhouse trying to drag luke into the grave You said that on the e-found movies as well spoilers Everyone's gonna know I also like that's what you think I don't know what zaks not as deal is but he seems to really like the black superman suit I don't understand. Oh, yeah, we're getting that inside a cut, right? Yes. Yeah Right zad is here to upgrade or I guess to us downgrade no to him No, it's downgrade to everyone. It's downgrading to everybody crypt. Look at it.  Yeah, look clock did fine. You just got to be careful with them, all right And I will gladly suffer through 20 minutes of whatever that is to get mega super flight laser beam Oh mega strength powers. Oh, yeah, not even not even close and if someone made that decision for me I'd be like, all right.  We'll get there even getting into that mess There's so much to talk about the I don't know where we'll fit that in but we'll get there to a new Crypt and just by that external scenario alone.    We got to stop it. It's like, yeah, okay So you see this is what I mean about this style of criticism Like we've got the goals the stakes in the agency. It's like yes, but they're all terribly written Mm-hmm, but they're there so that means it's good that means The stakes they're there.  Oh, I guess underwater is great We did it You know, I made a they made a cheap italian knock off of underwater where they have to escape the marinara's trench Yeah Yeah, I feel like this isn't enough we need to talk about the specifics to see if they did it well because applying goal stakes in agency I don't even know if there's a film that you can't apply those to There a story that doesn't have Goal stakes in agency if you're being generous in terms of how it's everything's flowing I mean you have to like like you have to have a plot a plot is it's like an emergent property of just Events. Yeah, you can't not have a plot even if it's if a chair sitting in a room There's a plot. It's a chair sitting in a room I don't know that might be where the limit is for me because I was about to say like Yeah, I like sitting in the chair in the room. Nothing happens to it Well, I guess if it's if it's a two-hour movie of just a chair in a room Just that Yeah, how would you how would you synopsize that on the back of the disc or the cover? There's a chair in a room It represents stability. What will happen find out Yeah, I would have Yeah, it's like a a chair continues to remain where it has it has been erected inside of a A root because I because I say erected because I imagine a folding chair Like someone just brought in a folding chair and you know They opened it up to sound they make and they put it down on the Ground there and they just filmed it for two hours. And so the plot is The chair Smashing the dog of a farmer's head What did where did you learn to be a chair on a folding table? Yeah, that's right. Oh the folding table The goal we're doing a stopping zots machine. Okay, you really gonna just Like ahead of time the goal is to stop the stakes. Earth is at stake urgency You have a ticking clock on the world engine. Like, yeah, I know. Why is this special? Yeah, how did we get here The stakes or why we have to do it is all the lives on earth that we can attach to on our character journey No, I don't not attach to anyone except for ginger kid No, you're talking about the details Under what has all three of these things You got to stop talking about the details. That's not what we're focusing on We just have to establish there are stakes through people might die the area stakes Oh my goodness. I feel like a lot of films will pass this test. It's gonna be honest with you This is a video with it. It has film perfection in the title and he's describing that there is a goal Are there is a goal? The film perfection this film has a plot It's a very low bar except it's if it's a ripoff of alien then it doesn't meet that bar for some reason those films particularly They don't have gsu Is I mean it's mostly color right now These three components serve as the external driving force behind the second half of the film And they are the thing that makes everything we do. Why does he take so long to say?  That's what he's telling you and I want you to listen to the words He uses We got attached to on our character journey the urgency or when it has to be done is I mean it's mostly color right now These three components serve as the external driving force behind the second half of the film Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you? Do you understand the point I'm making here? Jesus Christ, mate.  Why do you guys think he would settle on living with humans? That should have been the drama Yeah, we never got it. Yeah. Yeah, we never talk about this Sorry that that's not in the film when you wanted it to be because it ain't Yeah, it's not in the film And makes everything we do in the second half serve a clear functional purpose in one clear all he said is we have to beat zod That's all he said Jesus or another now could the plot in execution have been better than just another blue skybeam threatening the whole world Yes, that's not even where Mike if you lie.  It could have been better But yes, thank you for asking. But yes, it could have been a lot better If he's gonna say yes, I'm really curious how this becomes film perfection Yes, but at the same time I'll concede that it does still do the job to earn its purpose I think we have different definitions of the word like it could have it could have been flawless, but it could have been flawless in a better way Oh, right. I see I mean, I guess that makes sense Right if if perfection is without flaws, you could have done something else That was more satisfying but also without flaws So do you mean like like if a story was perfectly functional, but it could have been improved But it doesn't mean it's not perfectly functional. Yeah, like um, like, you know how they rate dives in the olympics Right, so for those of you don't know, I'm not a diving expert Um, I don't know every dive in town. However um Based on like the difficulty of the dive that you're doing It's like your max score So you could like I think you could dive you can make an easy dive perfectly But you could only get so high But you could also do a different more difficult dive and if you do that perfectly your score will be much higher Which by the way, I I think that's how it works the two comparisons I would actually sub in as films would be 12 angry men versus lord the rings like That is a the first one is a simple relatively simple dive done perfectly The second one is a very complicated dive done pretty damn well There we go. We did it. We saw film. Yeah, we did it We're the analogy kings and queens Still do the job to earn its purpose of existence, especially when you pair it up with the Purpose of existence that's kind of redundant. I don't like the way he writes his scripts. They annoy me Are you sure he even writes his scripts because later? I mean, he said vanity earlier When he meant futility Like he's Freewheeling. Yeah, if he was looking at a script, he wouldn't see the word futility and say vanity for whatever reason I'll let or maybe I feel like uh, the more fundamental thing for me because like I'm glazing over here And it's just because this whole video don't start directionless Uh, I guess uh Yeah, like I'm turning into a donut as I sit here because I'm just like It just feels like we're going in circles and like we're not getting anywhere and it's rudderless and Like I don't I don't know what doesn't have a rudder. Well, I can help you bring your case I'm a donut that's growing down A river. All right. It's a donut that's going kayaking and the rapids are just getting too fast And we're losing track of where we're going This video is a soggy donut Donut for you had his chance. This video is a soggy donut without a rudder. Yes Um, it's probably going to be people drawing you as a donut now, but um Well, that's Yeah, I see I see people are noticing that it's dough like no Get on it get on it guys to make sure because I want to make sure everyone's Following is the he's described that there is a plot and it functions That's where we're at in the video He said I feel like I yeah, okay. He said it a longer way, but still Someone in saying that zahd is clearly a supremacist. You don't need them telling the audience for it to be obvious No, they never have that conversation. No, they never.   Yeah, that's what he says That's the point not that there are humans here That's just to terraform earth. You have to kill the humans and oh, well, you have to break a few eggs and make an omelet That's his point gotta be built on. So he doesn't say when superman is like, what's it gonna cost? He doesn't say, you know, uh Of course, it'll cost the human pestilence.  That's good. He says well, you know, it's gotta be built on something As if to say oh, yeah humans have to die Yeah Yeah, that's what he says. He doesn't say, oh these humans scum.  They're terrible. They're the worst The species is redundant even though we're about as good as them when we don't have their atmosphere Yeah, so weird. Yeah, that wouldn't make sense either But at least it would go some way to explaining his motivations, but he doesn't even say that that's basic stuff The movie doesn't even do it Still earn its purpose of existence, especially when you pair it up. It earns its purpose of existence Yeah, that's about the blue laser Earns its purpose I already forgot what he said earlier. What is this? I'm some of you God it really frustrates me when we listen to these like videos and just the writing is so bad Like I'm not even just the poison of being made but just the way that the sentences are constructed They're just so broken It's like an AI generated script For a long time making videos in the video essay like genre category.  So your script is probably pretty good Like wait, what? No, I would hope so But but this didn't get re-drafted that's for sure.  Yes, but at the same time only 5,000 people died in this movie, right? I guess we can bring that up. Yeah, zacks knight has said that only 5,000 people died in the event that is man of steel No way. Yeah, yeah at 3,000 people died 9-11 Uh, yeah, so I'm the 5,000 people did yeah I want to show people this image, right because I sent this while I was um Looking it was trying to finish watching the film again to you guys. So Um No, you might be thinking to yourself. Okay fine. Usually that's a lot of damage But I could maybe picture there is 5,000 people in this image. It's like, yes This is about 0.5 of the damage done in the entire movie. So Well, it's just it's just again like rags just said it so about 3,000 people died in 9-11 and those buildings were Like there was evacuations of large portions of those buildings. So if like Even more than two buildings collapse here, which they do there's like 18 buildings collapse There are a lot of people who are dying in this event. It's not 5,000 This is like imagine it imagine if like 10 square blocks of new york like manhattan just got obliterated You know, oh 5,000 people. It's like are there like 2 million people here and like an average day Hey rugs, do you think judging from this that laurence fishpoon didn't make it? God, yeah, they're dead. Yeah, I think that this guy's totally dead There is a there's an interesting hesitance that people have to run away from this thing in this movie. It's really interesting. Yeah It does contribute to the best count undoubtedly Somebody mentioned something super interesting that um 5,000 casualties Even the lowest estimate is a lot more people than have ever died from collateral damage in the avengers And yet even that was enough for them to uh take action to Legislate it big deal Yeah, it is a big deal. Yeah Anyway threatening the whole world. Yes, but at the same time I'll concede that it does still do the job to earn its purpose of existence It does do the job to earn the purpose of its existence. What a sentence that is Let's throw in words to that sentence. Let's make the sentence longer. Let's make the sentence longer It does feel that way my teacher said I had to have 2,000 words for my essay So we're gonna throw in as many little articles and Prepositions and all as much as I can stretch that Especially when you're up with the character journey choices that the clerk in the process has to make Cal-L, I say this Surrender within 24 hours. This is never really Don't do anything with this though.   That's the point What's the also what's the creepiest weirdest way that I could show up? You can ask the guy to give himself up. What's the worst verbiage that I could use?  We'll suffer.  Yeah, it's one of the things I said on the call is that like he has the technology to transmit this to every phone And every computer and every tv in the world, but he can't make a clear image Like what why is it glitch art? I don't understand because they have to be this is their evil Instead of them just showing up in their spaceship going someplace. You're like, hi, we're aliens Can we talk to someone in charge? Oh To clarify So I'm seeing people in chat like to clarify I don't have a problem with like kryptonians calling them that what I'm saying is like Something that I've noticed in like a lot of media now and that really bugs me Is when characters who should be calling them clark calling call l like like I think the best we'll get to this when we get to justice league But like when um when they're trying to restrain superman wonder woman says call l the last son of krypton To try and jog his memory Why would why would that jog his memory of who he is more than clark kent?  You don't want to be like that. Why did you say that name? Yeah No, this is I remember this happening in uh injustice too, but I almost feel like that was almost the point everybody who's Retarded calls him call l but like everybody who's a good guy calls him clark and I almost feel like that's deliberate like on purpose because They're emphasizing the human aspect.  They're like, oh no, you're from a different planet and all that All of I don't see how any of that would ever like change fundamentally the identity that you cultivated as a human being And I get really frustrated when superman properties emphasize the God jesus aspect of superman rather than the very human mundane aspect of him He's just a humble small town guy with humble small town values who goes around and saves people. It's superman.  I'm clark.  I'd no that's not my name I don't respond to that if somebody turned up today and told me your name is schlubel dupe It's like, oh, it's not but as long as you add in the well if someone told you you actually we're born on Glawam and and you were called schlubel dupe. You still wouldn't go by that from then on you'd be like, okay But that's not yeah, and it's like, you know the the clearest example Right when when superman meets like jorrell it shouldn't be that meaningful by comparison to It shouldn't be that meaningful by comparison to just his dad and his mom that actually raised him like the people who actually were there for him Yeah, it's um, it's just confusing because I know that it's kind. Well, it's not It's kind of the adaptation argument But it's also rooted in this film because in this film it makes sense it would make more sense for Everything makes sense whether the comics exist or not Yeah, yeah, I guess it's just that um, it's I don't know why they did this from the perspective of writing this story Um, I I don't think I think fundamentally. I'm more interested in the idea of somebody who's not technically from earth, but might as well be Versus the god thing that they keep doing here I think that the the old one the the campy lame one that people like that. That's more interesting But I think I think it would have been a really interesting character bit if when Uh, clark finds the spaceship and he gets the construct of his father jorrell And the construct calls him Cal l and superman says, you know, my my name's clark You know something that he says that could have been could have gone a long way with stuff like that But instead he just stands there like an idiot and just yeah I I think there's so much that you could have done even even if you wanted to tell this type of story you could have Way, you could have done a much better job of like reinforcing what the choice is like the choice to adopt the identity of the human being like if the central arc was He has his human identity and he's almost like searching for something more meaningful And then he realizes like no this is meaningful And I feel like that's almost what the film wants it to be but the film does not achieve that at all And yeah, yeah, I wanted to bring it as well when when this message starts up. It knocks out all the lights Yes, and then the lights come back on when I don't understand like it knocks all the lights off But it keeps all tv screens and mobile screens on to send the message like would I don't even know what's the How does he differentiate and why it's spooky?  I got something important to show you. It's some vlc glitch art We have uh, someone sent me an article. Uh, it's on buzzfeed. So it might be true. Oh my god But the someone said there is an estimation done a study done for buzzfeed By charles watson and his team at watson technical consulting to model and anticipate the damage done to metropolis Both in the form of human casualties and monetary cost And watson technical consulting estimates that in the days after the attack The known damage would be 129,000 known killed Over 250,000 missing most of whom would have also died and nearly a million injured In terms of strictly physical damage done to the city the initial estimate is 700 billion dollars to put it in context To put it in context 9 11's physical damage was 55 billion with a future or the further economic impact of 123 billion So uh, watson technical consulting estimates that the damage in uh, man of steel would be about 2 trillion for reference By the way, because I I was I was curious about this. Um, I'm pretty sure hurricane katrina is like the most uh expensive like, uh Things that ever happened in america in terms of you know a disaster the damage was 125 billion So We're talking about what at least 10 times worse At least 10 times more catastrophic Yeah, do they even take into account everything that happened in smallville like obviously it's a smaller place But there's a lot of damage done there too. That would be a lot of damage in a few depths.  This is basically the worst disaster ever Like On the efat movies, but it's like there would be Incredible ripple effects from all of this in the world that is the dceu not to mention all the alien tech by the way And how that would change everything too Um, something of a point on that is when um, let me get it up You know when lois is exiting the alien ship She um, she takes off her breathing mask thing and just tosses it to the ground And it's like you this technology is incredible just fyi Yeah, just hold on to it I will I will show it on screen in a moment once we actually get to uh You know, you know a copyright is there it goes. Look, she's gonna take it off bad She could have put it in the pod. She could have put it in the pod But oh well, um, but yeah, there would be it's it's catastrophe times a million. I don't know what to say Um, just so that just just for us here. Yeah, I was about to say yeah, that's what I got It's good We seek our lost time Oh My people Good job. Good job, Kara Or watch this world suffer the consequences. What does your gut tell you? Oh Hell why would he what give humans a chance Give humans a chance like if I don't if someone was about to mug like my mother right and he was coming at her with a knife And I was there and I could stop him with a gun or whatever What I wouldn't be like maybe I should give my mom a chance I'm trying to like think like it baffles me that this is considered like the interesting development for his character It's like will clock choose to give humans a chance like where do you think you've grown up your whole life?  It's like yes, but that's including your mom. He does give it this was never a choice He's dealing with psychopaths versus the people he loves. Why is this interesting? Please tell me I think the worst the worst the movie posits that humanity You know is that he got bullied a lot No, it's that they might freak out if they realized he was an alien All right compared to the whole earth being destroyed. Well all of humanity being destroyed. I feel like this Yeah, it will be okay. Well, I mean that's very selfish if at that point if he's like man I'll be a freak. So maybe everybody should die Wow But all that said despite certain I love it if he was like, I'm not sure if I should give humans a chance like you you you chill with them being jannocided Like really like you're even considering this like wow He's like, yeah, but what if they mean to me when I reveal myself like oh Maybe you're bulletproof.  Remember when the jets fly into it. Well, so This is the interesting thing about that right the idea is when they these missiles start hitting the civilians They establish like oh the magnetism is making it so that the missiles are hitting Not our target. So what we need to do is launch them while being closer But then the unfortunate result is by getting closer.  I don't know why they didn't think that that would happen. But secondly, so what if you just fire it from above down? Yeah, that work or pretty sure that would work. Oh Also guys nuclear bomb might be an option worth considering.  These are fighter pilot people You know, they're not necessarily as smart as youtube film critics. You have to keep them.  It's like, yeah I'm sorry that I assumed that the military is smarter than me in a movie That was my mistake.  We're like, oh, we figured it out instantly without even having to really think about it at all And they this the military is like, what are we gonna do? I don't know. It's crashing into it Well, it's magnetizing, you know, all forms of metal. Maybe if we fly toward it like that'll Fly close to john. Oh, no, it's sucking me at all I'm good. Good thing. We're flying paper planes Obvious here. So if you want to know more you can check out my other videos on the topic The thing about manastil I do find worth noting though is its ability to weave in plot even to the sections where the plot doesn't yet exist We already established how this plot is happening there It weaves plot into sections where the plot doesn't exist So the plot does exist in those sections. We already went over this it was clearly plotted this portion But this is also garbage like the everything that comes together in this portion of the plot is really dumb She takes one photo at one random point in the night and it happens to be when clock is making his way To the ship that he heard about because he heard two guys talking in a bar.    I think that would be an incredibly devastating tool of war What if it makes sense so this pebbles in your shoes, even if you aren't wearing shoes, you just feel it You're like, oh You're always walking on just a pebble not a bunch of pebbles, which would be totally fine But just just a single pebble. It's that uh, it's that that thing like that rick and morty thing where it's like Oh, you know that feeling when you got uh, something in your neck stuck there Like you just can't get it out. They could call it a weapon of mass distraction Someone said you're complaining that too many people were killed by superman though That is a character criticism of superman Yeah, the film doesn't recognize what he's doing and he he doesn't either. You know, I understand two arguments simultaneously No, no this person clearly can't also in our in our argument, right? Or in our in our watch through of the movie I get argument and watch through of the bad movie mixed up.  On on any of the kryptonian ships up until right at the end That's what he finally does it after the all kinds of destruction.  He's like it's like what happened at smallville, but now it's bigville and he hasn't changed Do you guys remember when the enormous alien ship did a ninja move on superman? It just pops up really quiet though, like it's no technology. He was like, oh my god Oh someone's flunk here He is a guy of flunk they drew Flunk we have a flunk Ladies and gentlemen, we have a flunk He was a stick man. I'm impressed Why is it on the side? It's loading for me. Why?  He really tried to save the day man of steel. He's the unsung hero expert Flunk had his chance. No Got my other videos on the topic the thing about man of steel I do find worth noting though is its ability to weave in plot even to the sections where the plot doesn't yet exist So that is a fascinating statement to make It's what is it? Did he mean to say that there is plot when we don't necessarily realize that it's plot yet? Is that what he meant to say? I couldn't even begin to guess what he meant to say. All right See at the initial building blocks for the plot in the prologue It then kind of goes away altogether because this is 40 minute character section before zot shows that as a generous Capture journey during the section the movie still manages to What is this? Well, I'm getting you're adding in choice to confuse me I'm getting distracted Part of what he was saying. He's so what he said was Um, we got plot then we didn't get plot for 40 minutes and we don't need Explosions in these portions. I think that's what he was saying It's a way all together because there's this 40 minute character section before zot shows up And yet in that plotless character journey during the section the movie still manages to evoke the exhilarating feeling of plot by No, it's a what what what are you talking about? exhilarating Plot like here. I there's so many things that have just been asserted like Is it is it more exhilarating to have plot happen than character now? I'd well that is that is a weird statement, isn't it because you think about because again you think about like You mentioned earlier 12 angry men a lot of exhilarating scenes in there And it's because the characters are clashing in fact Like characters clashing is usually the most exhilarating part of a story not like a you know like why The fight and civil war between cap and Tony and is like more exhilarating than the airport battle Like I don't know about you guys, but like there's more exhilarating and the stakes are smaller technically Yeah Because like it seems to me that he's because I wouldn't want to say that he's saying that that's the truth He's saying that despite that being the truth. This is still exhilarating to deal with these character modes I'm just like since when was that something we agreed on I wasn't there By creating these efficient situations centered around the same three components for example early on there's Okay, at this point I want him to just point a scene to just a movie to me And I'll tell him what the gold stakes and urgency aren't every single fucking one I don't think that there's just there's just I don't know which film exists that doesn't have those things Stop doing it as a point of Praise pray a story has gold stakes and urgency. It's like please. Please. I beg you It's almost an unavoidable part of writing a story like rag said Captain Marvel. She's looking for the um the science project the secret science project the stakes are though If she doesn't get it before the scrolls do then bad things happen urgency as the scrolls are looking for it at the same time She is There you go. Captain Marvel did it fun great Yeah, uh, good job. This film has a plot sometimes That's funny because um, I know what what are some because there are films He said are anatomy of a failure that all have these things too. All right. Let's go have a look at his series I guess. Well, yeah, I mean he said dark phoenix dark phoenix is an interesting one because all of you guys hate that movie More than you should it's not a good movie But god damn like it's not as bad as people say it is it's if anything it's it's maybe just fine But but does it have a plot? Which is funny because it has all of these things too like it like it has a doesn't doesn't have cp Wonder Woman 84 the goal is to stop max the stakes are if they don't wish is continue to get granted and And the urgency is that as time goes on and then after and more the world will end Transformers for what um, I don't remember the uh the goals.  Okay um The amazing spider-man 2 um the goal is The goal is the goal is to stop, you know, electro and green goblin and well, I guess the goal is like whose goal I guess the protagonist but But he said that g for um for man of steel was zod's plan Zod's goal was the goal. This is why i'm getting confused. It's whose goal Is it just any goal at all? It is a weird way to um This is all I mean like establishing that there are goals takes an agency means that you've nailed plot to me I'm just like god, this should be more to it than that And centered around the same three components For example early on there's this character scene where clark is just casually working on his boat as a fisherman when suddenly Yeah, you skipped the part with the super strong man tackled superman. Yeah, you did Oh, yeah, he I guess he's not gonna talk about that. It's gonna set up another film in the uh, the dcu Fisherman Just like that a character beat has turned into an external manifestation of gsu. The goal is to feed an external manifestation of gsu why an external Why words he's reminded me of my word happen The versatile verbs of pressing l1 It's like what? The stuck in place or takes are the lives of the workers the urgency is the fire. Well, yes, but like why is this so special to you Most films have this. I don't these are even struggling to think of examples where they don't have this They're about to blow the whole time beverage to explain this surely it's in how it's constructed rather than Whether or not they nailed gsu Because he's talking about this movie as like Oh, this is what dce but the dceu films need to learn from going forward because this Goes takes an urgency and they all do wonder woman has this 84 definitely has this Yeah, they all have it. It's just they're almost all yeah, they're almost all poorly executed and this is no exception Hmm Goal stakes urgency plot another example. We have a character scene of young clark sitting in the school bus when Oh, you see the goal is to not drown the stakes are they could drown the urgency is they are drowning Stop what are we doing right now? It's yeah Again suddenly a plot driven situation we have to get the suddenly plot a plot driven situation in the time of the movie Where you said there was no plot? Oh The water to save the other school kids on board before they all drown He said the thing What is this? This is why it's perfect The arctic scene we have to get to the kryptonian ship to prevent it from falling in the wrong hands before the army finds it And then before it does fall into the wrong hands We have to stop it from falling into the wrong hands before it does Or else it will or else it will Or else it will do it If that happens it did happen. Oh, no. Come on. What is this? You see there are scenes in which characters wish to achieve things before time limit. Let's uh It's pretty revolutionary Another plot beta was having and so on and so on the point I'm getting at here Is that even though the main plot doesn't fully kick in until like halfway in the movie still creates these external Situations to give us the exhilaration.  I don't know. Yeah, it's I mean I got like I have to I feel like I have to ask for these things No, I I totally understand why because like this this video is not helping No, because I constantly want to ask what do you mean? I love that he describes this scene that he's showing on screen is exhilarating That's so goddamn funny to me I mean we could we could talk about it. I guess before he Yeah, let's talk about it. It's a good time.   Everyone just looks at it and goes well time to get on foot This is like, all right. I mean, yeah, it's not like cause of faucet and Maybe we haven't prepared for this. So, um, they they start leaving and then Oh, no, there's someone who hasn't gotten out of their car yet.  He is a strapping young lad. All right He can help people whether or not the talk like this situation That we can't have superman help these people out of the car because then they'll know it's like, no A regular person can help. He is younger than you. He is stronger than you.  It's so funny to me. He's like Resignation to death. He just gives up. He doesn't hobble over. He just stops Um, no Yeah, so as you can see, he's he's hurt his legs to chat. Get ready right now. I tell living You need to picture this scenario yourselves where you hurt your leg to the point Maybe you can't even walk on that leg. Let's go even crazier than is for him.    That might be traumatic. Plus. I don't want to die because I'm me And there are there are stakes urgency and something so he can hobble he takes one step because What would be the point like this would be uncomfortable and enough time passes in this scene that Clark could easily run at a normal human speed over to him pick him up and then run away, but he doesn't because He just gives him this hand because no No, I'm gonna take my hand to grab my hand Imagine if he like actually did me that Imagine Jonathan is like no Jonathan can't had his chance Yeah, um, I know people there's people out there who think this scene is powerful. It's embarrassing. Um, it's It's so goddamn embarrassing.  Why not a clock go help? He's tall and in shape and strong. He could carry these people. He could carry his dad It's not unreasonable that he would be able to carry people. Yeah. Yeah Even though our focus is mostly on character Yeah, that's super powers. Yeah. He's a strong boy. Big strong boy And this was the thing like ignoring all of how horribly done all of that was He could still actually use the superman powers and people could be like, oh my god And it should be like, yep, this is a secret that our town must keep Yeah, but you know what my dad's life is worth giving up that secret because i'm a good person And that's the problem, man It's clock's choice ultimately to bake and he made it Yeah, yeah, he made it and was crazy This is absolutely adaptation at this point But I just think it's an interesting thought a lot of people like to point out the big thing for clock to have to deal with when he's In the comics and suit iterations is the idea that despite how strong he is there's some things he can't save people from such as Jonathan kent's heart attack in The way it usually goes What a way to spend on superman fans What a way to say not only does Jonathan cannot die from something that superman can stop Superman chooses not to help him Like oh man It is very strange to me that when superman is adapted poorly that nobody gives a fuck But when spider-man is adapted in a way that you don't like That's um, that's a big problem. That's a sin against mankind And I know so it's weird because when batman's adapted in a way that people don't like as we'll sure we'll get to eventually Like that's a really bad. But when it's superman I think a lot of people take care of this Did they oh Wait, hold on. Let me Angry joe is like a big superman fan. Does he like this film? This is the thing I'm not saying everybody I know a lot of people took issue with not just clark, but also jonathan kent like in this movie Okay, that that'll be good then because like I I'm not sure hold on Fringy, I care. I'm glad you do care He does like it. Okay, apparently he does all right He gave it a nine out of ten. Oh This is three out of ten area.  Where's the sevens and eights in this world? nine out of ten those take work and effort people have to care Situation as the exhilaration of plot so that even though our focus is mostly on character It's not on character and thus doesn't ever become boring Boring avoid boring stop it boring. I don't care. I just like the idea that he's like hey advice When you're doing the strictly character stuff and you want to put plot in there, so it's not boring So what is this formula? No, yeah, I mean I wasn't bored during this scene.  Don't you stay over there. Don't It's not boring.  It's already gone. That was that was a great No, I Hi, metal. Hey What are you doing? No, why do you look so disgusted with rags?   I'm not looking at everybody I'm looking at you and you and yeah, I'm like one of those paintings I don't know the angle you look at it. I'm always looking at you. Am I over here. I'm over there. Oh my god The dust better we're sad about ruby's always watching Help me Remember You gotta add in plot when you have character focus things to prevent boredom It's not only uncharacter and thus doesn't ever become boring. We have these smaller contained missions The character is boring I just I mean this the things the things that are being said without him necessarily realizing a baffling sometimes Remember the amount of times you shout on aliens without realizing it in his underwater video? You can't kill one enemy when there's more of them What? It's meaningless. It's yeah, it's not it's not scary if there's more than one evil monster Especially when there's a big one too. It's like dude Character, it's not only uncharacter and thus doesn't ever become boring. We have these smaller Implication here that characters are boring. You have to have plot to make it exciting Focusing on character would be boring is what he accidentally just implied like yeah, what? Direct implication of what he said. This is the kind of things you pick up on a Second draft. Oh, yeah, our first draft or something. Most people don't even say it in the first place, but Oh, well Ever become boring we have these smaller contained missions fueled by the motion of the character journey in which we either succeed Or fail. So what he just spent ages saying is we had a scene that has characters making choices in it Yes And sometimes it's fair, which is honestly I would say Yeah, I think all things happen or else it'd be boring like he didn't talk about why the seat is good Outside of saying it's character and plot Yeah, it's just he just sort of describes generally what sort of happens in a very Open way Whereas we just talked casually about why it's shit. Yeah, we talked about all the mechanics how it all happened Why they were there. Yeah, all he's done is to scribe it.  It's like the engine is made out of jello No, but it has an engine engine. All right It's good. Now imagine imagine you're writing whatever the next dceu movie is going to be and you're like, okay How do I do it? How do I do it? Well, oh great. I found this great video where someone's gonna tell me how to How to do it perfectly And you're like you're like furiously taking notes. Okay, so I want character and plot or else it's boring. Oh, this is brilliant Oh, this is so brilliant. You got to remember gsu and cp Yeah, that's on you.   Honestly as a member of earth watching this Film as like a documentary of what this man did to protect us.  Or is it just because he has nowhere else to wonder the people in batman v superman were so mad at him? Well, remember him in bvs when he's saving people. He looks really sad Yeah, like oh here's another side of his board of it And you know which would have been an interesting story to explore, but they don't he's just bored I wouldn't be cool to have done that in bvs, but we never like batman is often cited as like Well, at least we know because that why he's mad. It's like, but we never actually understand why I shouldn't be doing this yet We'll get there eventually, but I just want to bring up that we never actually understand what batman's Understanding of what happened in man of steel is he just says he brought these people here Fuck here. He brought the war to us to us. Yeah, wait. Do you actually think that's what happened? Do you like would you? Do you like I want batman's opinion on what superman did to to save people too because that's the interesting part That's what civil war does.  It's like well, he saved the day. It's like And that's what I wish all these DC movies in the future Imagine he did save jonathan there. His identity was sacrificed for it He went through a lot of trouble to try and reseal it and then jonathan dies a few weeks later from heart attack Almost making the drama that was it even worth it that decision after everything that happened Of course the answer is yes, but it would still be yeah, it's something Yeah, something he could talk about with you know, his mom That could be something that they discuss as two characters dealing with issues that they're both personally related to but yeah But it's not it's not just not a real mom. So what does that matter? Yeah, you're not really my mom. Fuck you mom Yeah It's Not like you Remember At some point he decides to leave home and go like Like off the grid and have a job in canada or whatever else he does It'd be interesting if he had to do it after saving his dad You know, but we don't actually know what led him to actually leave home and go off the grid We don't know the event that caused that You're not for sure There's been one that really gave up his identity more so than usual Yeah, and that would be if he did it to save his dad That would be more interesting but uh Apparently no And that's what I wish all these dco movies in the future would do Can you imagine if all the dc movies in the future were like this movie? I mean it wouldn't change much. Yeah Even though it is important to give us an internal character journey that makes us feel We still also need a steady stream of external plot situations. I don't agree Like you don't need them You've said as a result of describing the scenes that happened We need plot to be happening on our characters whether or not we're simply learning about them. It's like no I reject your reality and substitute my own Okay, like he's just decided after describing that these things happen in these seeds that that means that's what you have to do That's all he did It was an internal character journey that makes us feel We still also need a steady stream of external plot situations to make us exhilarated Give us things happen. Give us real external. I guess He's just so brazenly brazenly bold about how wrong he is He's just asserting everything so confidently. I could see how people would watch this and just be nodding along Oh, yes, of course. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that we need plot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need steady Give us things happening exhilaration. Can we I just want to show the clip he showed here, right? To make us exhilarated give us things happening. Give us real external obstacles Give us real external obstacles. Okay, so do you know what we're talking about it now? This is happening. So this scene He's so small, okay That scene, all right, we're gonna have to draw it right back to zahd is attacking You got one end of the world has got the world engine on it clocks Like I'll take that one out They talk about this whole plan instead of him just taking it out of course because clocks were taller than everyone is Of course. Yeah, you can't just punch it.  This is them agreeing. Look, I've got it on repeat They're agreeing. Let's put a black hole in new york city. Let's do it black hole. Let's do it All right, black hole. That's cool. Gotcha. And so they are successful In fact, one of the only things we like about this film is involved in the execution where uh, the general guy drives the ship and says What does he say like? uh His honor and death or something like that Uh, he's like the uh, uh a good death as its own reward basically when he crashes into Yeah, the thing he that she told her before they had their knife fight and it's actually cool little payoff there Yeah, good job.  He targets He's like fire out their ship and that's superman jumps in the way if he had simply shot it Oh, there's so much of that in the film if x had simply happened, which was perfectly likely he pulled the hucks Yeah, he was too arrogant. I suppose I guess So destroy those small tiny fighters We got um So the uh, the by the way scientist man who makes all of this happen because he figures out how to do it He's just unceremoniously wiped out. We don't even see him again.  Her plot armor is insane Yeah, she's crazy. I a single instance of uh plot armor I don't think I've come across and you guys can tell me if there's other ones This is the biggest single piece of plot armor i've ever seen someone falls away from a black hole that they're right next to Meanwhile, everything else is getting stuck into it. It's not even just the concept of falling away from a black hole How did you do that? You have to have the most extreme plot armor the history of the universe. That's incredible That that I think you're right. That might be the kind of a go-to example. Yeah Um, so he's describing this as exhilarating.  We like we just glossed over the fact that I just hid for a second But um, did you mention the fact that when superman grabs her he now has to try a lot harder to get away from the black hole Yeah, she was so now that he's introduced himself into the plot equation.  Not hers. No. Yeah. No, not hers. She's fine Oh, it's so bad.  It's really not that hard And um, yeah, uh, I like how we're focusing on this We've glossed over the fact that they've detonated a black hole in the middle of new york city That is a a huge that they never talk about how they're gonna control it. They simply say that's what we're gonna do Yeah, what what are we doing after the ship is gone? It's like, oh, I need to Black holes, all right That's a dangerous I'll give it to you don't want to be anywhere near them I'll give it to me repulse story.  What do I make sure you are there? They're bad for your skin The world is somehow saved by that event and you know what film enters, right? We need more events like that. Put them in batwoman That's where they belong To offer give us something that combines the emotion of a small character study and the excitement of a bit They would As if you can't have a character study in a blockbuster I'm just confused. Is this whatever? His advice here is some of that that good old-fashioned if you write your film. Well, it'll be good sort of thing He's like you should Yeah, you need to have good plot and good characters. Thanks a lot. Captain obvious If you guys can just nail that element, you'll be fine Something that combines the emotion of a small character study and the excitement of a big Hollywood blockbuster And then finally the thing that ties both of these. Oh god. Oh, no So no as you guys have been blown away by how impressive the plot and characters are now get ready for the third most important element Aspects together But like I said before we can move on to that last point. I first got to read this book on psychology to be I don't know. Stop. Why they're doing it. Wait. He this is the second time. He said this Maybe it's an Like he talked about the book before and he talked about her because they had the profile with the Then he said we'll get back to it. I think he was he was non-specific throughout the book Properly. So see you in like 27 hours or something you should put effort into your video. No Okay, that's my advice. No No Oh, what's this? I already got all the necessary information from that book that I needed to learn. How's that possible?  We've we have sag weight everyone We have sag weight.  Seriously.  Like this is this is terrible. Just read the whole book How do I clear on this? It takes a book and it converts the book's main points into a readable list You know what I'm kidding me a readable list. You know what else can though does wikipedia But I think I would appeal more fundamentally like Read the book. Why doesn't read the book?  So one of one of the really good things about reading books is that you can glean things that you didn't expect to get out of the book little sentences or just things that you Personally speak to you or are meaningful to you You're not going to get any of that if you just take the book and then go like it reading sucks, doesn't it?  What's it called again? Blinkist? Blinkist. This is the equivalent of like Oh, should I watch prestige and I'm like no the main thing the film is trying to do is it has a lot to say about like How far we'll go to achieve great things or impress people and it costs money It costs 999 It costs so it costs 10 bucks a month or alternatively you can get the premium version For 20 bucks a month even shorter synopses. Oh wait, if you get the premium version, is that a shorter synopsis or a longer synopsis? I don't know. I actually don't know what I don't know what the difference is for the premium. It doesn't make it clear That's I'm blown away that this even exists. Oh, this is probably 20 bucks a month. You can cancel every you can cancel it The other one is is annually billed. So this is the first thing I think I've seen advertised that Instead of assuming what's bad about it underneath. It's the surface that's bad Like, you know raychat legends. It's like this is awesome rpg. We get to play Does all these things all these that sounds super cool And it's like yeah, it's probably a shitty mobile game.   Don't do this. Shit.  Those are free Why why why why spark notes doesn't exist? You can just pay for spark notes I think it's safe to assume by the way that we're never gonna get sponsored by blinkers Oh So if a representative from blink tits or whatever is watching this if you could I Do your best to convince us that your product is a million people Have this Oh, look the the seven highly effective the seven habits of highly effective people now. I have that book I'm pretty sure it's like 400 pages long, but you could read it in 19 minutes now I wonder how much I'm going to lose by doing that. It's amazing.  This was a good one. Did they read the book? Imagine writing the whole book and then you find out that your book has been cut down to like 10 minutes And people are paying for that. They're paying and your work reduced Like come on What is this? I mean, let's see how he describes it I I have a pitch for a new app.  This is some dystopian level app This feels like 2020. Yeah, this feels like some 2021 stuff like you don't have a detention span. That's okay just reading is for the gays Reading is lame. Why do you now there's a tab for economics and it's like all the blockchain revolution Yes, I'm sure in 13 minutes.  I understand capitalism in 13 minutes You have to put this in a madden steel video too. I feel like this is A movie that could use being condensed with hell What is the um the name of the it's like the Fallacy it's named after two people who did the study of the less you know about something The more confident you are of the dunning. Oh, that's dunning.   That costs like 200 bucks a year or something. Is it not? By the way, the reason they didn't buy your book is because they paid this person money instead Guys, it's it's thematically consistent because his description of man of steel is basically one of these synopses Where like you think you understand man of steel after watching his video, but he glossed over all the important I just I am I they even have things here for like there's a time for religion and spirituality And they've got like islam 18 minutes. It's like, yes, I'm sure there's a very comprehensive guide on an entire religion Isn't like your existence of your work on that app an insult I feel like it is almost right because it's like dude. There's a reason why it is as long as it is There's a reason for that I'm I'm this this does really upset me like the fact that this exists Um, well, let's listen to his um his his ad of it. Let's see if he makes it sound real good There is a synopsis somebody hold on somebody asked like I can't wait for a synopsis on the bible There is one on this app It's called. What is the bible 15 minute read? Isn't the bible like a thousand pages long? Is there is an obsessive blinkest on there? Reduce blinkest time to a couple of bullet points It's the takes like fit reading into your life From nonfiction books and condenses them into these 15 or so minute highlights that you can either read or listen to Without having to go through the whole thing Without having to go I like the way he says it without having to go through the whole thing How about that's what the the point of it being that long? Isn't that how jarrod watched films rags? He said he would go through the clips on youtube because he didn't want to watch the movies. He'd take too long It's better to just watch the highlights. There you go Blink is for make your bed a 10 minute read Interesting how to win how to win friends and influence people 21 minutes Yeah, that like I said that book is about 400 pages long. I'm pretty sure it's a long It's a decently like I don't get how they choose what gets kept, you know, who's doing that? Well, I I'm betting right. So for instance, there's the book the seven habits of highly affected people is on there I bet their thing is all right. So here are the seven highly affected. Wow. You're loud. This is Am I loud? Oh, yeah, I don't know if it's just me, but you're just like l