Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. You know, so me, I was born in Yonkers, New York, moved to Atlanta, and I was like four. Did your parents ever tell you why you moved to Atlanta, out of anywhere else, just why Atlanta? Yeah, we were, actually, you know, my dad started like, you know, he was hustling out there. And I think it was a shootout or something. Like, it was in a shootout or something. My brother's, it was like a, I don't really remember it like that. But it was in a shootout in the park or something that they found me like laid over my brother. You know what I mean?  I think, like, they told me they moved like the next day. So, boom, that happened. Shootout, we moved to Atlanta. And then from like, you know, five until I was probably like 21, I lived in Atlanta doing music, went to school in Atlanta, raised in Atlanta, elementary, junior high, you know, high school. So Atlanta's like where, if someone asks me where I'm from, it's like Atlanta's where I'm from. How old were you when you found the love for music? Oh man, love for music. The first song I ever learned was Before I Let Go by Frankie Bevely. That's the heavy right table.  That's how I grew up on music. So Frankie Bevely and Maze, Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown. So she had the love for music, not your dad as much? My mom and my dad, like just really, none of them did mute. My dad writes though. I think I get my poetry from like my dad because my dad got over like 10,000 pounds, you know what I'm saying? So he was a writer for sure. I got my name from Zane Gray to the writer Zane Gray. Okay. Yeah, so I think names are important. Very important. My grandma named my dad after Zane Gray. I mean after Zane, you know, the writer. He ended up being a writer, you know, not a professional writer, but like if it's funerals or anything, they're like, yo, big Zane writes something. And he's big Zane. Like that's my, that's not my stage name. Like Lil Zane is really like, if you had, if you was, if you had, if you was your dad's name, Larry, you know what I mean? You Larry, you Larry Junior.  Yeah, I'm Lil E. Yeah, I'm Lil E. Yeah, they might think it's a, like no matter how your dad's still alive. I know he passed away, but I'm still, I'm still Lil E when it comes out of that. See, we can relate that. Yeah, no, no, but hold on.  He's like, no, I'm not junior no more. I'm senior now because he's passed away. I am senior, but I'm still like that. I feel like that. A lot of people say, well, you know what I'm saying? Lil Zane, why you change your name? Boom, boom. But I'm like, it ain't no stage name for me. Like in my house, you got to say, like, big Zane, Lil Zane, you got to say one of those because both of us have come down to stage name. That's it. That's it. And now I have a son named Zane. Hey. But he's the third? No, he's baby Z. So I change, he doesn't have the same exact, he's Zane Jeremiah Copeland. Okay. That's still dope. Yeah, I'm saying Rudolph Copeland.  I wasn't trying to do that to him. You know what I'm saying? Did you ever get teased about that middle name? Did I? Oh my God. Every Christmas come around as well. But I hate it.   Rudolph the rare.  Yeah, well, that's crazy.  So, but growing up, people always say, well, I ain't changed your name, whatever.  It's like, you always Lil E. I'm always Lil E. And I respected him to the day that he died. And I respect my dad to the fullest. I don't play with that. Like, I never- And I don't play with it, yeah. No cursing, no none of that. I was respectful, man. I don't play like that. You're right, you're right. And he passed away, but still, I know that, you know, I did what I was supposed to do. I can sleep at night. You know what I mean? That's real, man. Like, and that's the funny you said that, because me and my pops ain't really seen it out of eye right now. Like, you know- I've went there with mine too for years, but it ain't too late. But yeah, but lately I've been reaching out and stuff like he just had a birthday on Thanksgiving. So I just been reaching out because like life is so short, man. It is. You know what I'm saying? It is. You don't want to get that call or, you know what I'm saying? You just like, damn, I shoulda. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. And like you said, I got so much respect for him. It's like, how can you say you got so much respect for him? And still- I had to- Even when they wrong, dawg. They still right. I be feeling like my dawg wrong sometimes, but I be like, just because I have so much respect, it's like, damn, I gotta- Oh, you gotta do what's right. You know how dad is. Like, dad, they ain't gonna call us, bro. No. Because they got that- They pride. They got that pride, like, because they know they was there for him. That's right. They know that was there like- I broke my leg and my dad still didn't even come to the hospital. We hadn't spoken a year or something. And I was hurt behind that. My stepdad was in the hospital. I was like, dude, where'd my dad at? I was really pissed. But I knew we wasn't seeing our die when it had happened. But at the end of the day, he eventually came to see me.  You know what I'm saying? And especially when they know they've been there for us. Exactly. It's like they're gonna matter what I did, what I said. That's it.  How was you now, Nick? I'm still there. I was there when you was born. Wow. That's the part where you forget, because you can't remember that. Wow. But they was there. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101.


All right, everybody, thank you for coming back. It is 10 to 12 on our clock. And we are taking into this about that H244, which is our bill related to authorizing the natural organic reduction of human remains. And we have with us today Warren Hibbert from OPR. We'll come back, Warren. We have Bob Burke from Veterans Affairs. And I see Chris Bermoud who's been very patient here, to witness this testimony. When we last took this up, we had heard from Chris and from Patrick Healy. We had gotten an email, we had requested the Department of Health for testimony, but they chose not to testify. They did say that whatever came out of this bill that they would be in a position for dealing with whatever regulations they had to set up, it seems like a real hands-off. I'd like to see if we can get them on record for saying that, but outside of an email. So we have an email on record. But Lauren had expressed a desire to testify on this because OPR has an interest in licensing part of this or discussing the ins and outs of this. So I will turn the microphone for Lauren. Welcome back. Thank you so much. Good afternoon. Thank you for having me for the record. My name is Lauren Hibbert. I'm the Director of the Office of Professional Regulation. And we do have an interest in organic natural reduction. On whole, we support innovation in our regulated professions. We want to support innovation. We want to encourage scope expansion and growth in the way that programs are operating. And I've been in front of this committee so much. It almost feels like I don't need to give an overview of what we do, but we exist to protect the public. So as long as the public is protected, we can generally support growth. And for funeral service specific to natural organic reduction, we do think that we can protect the public with this new program. We think that it can be safely regulated and should be made available to consumers who would prefer that type of disposition. We have been in communication with the Department of Health about the parts that impact them. We've also conferred with the Funeral Directors Association, which we just appreciate those collaborations. Obviously the history of funeral services has been either burial or cremation. And natural organic reduction is not the first alternative form of disposition that's been authorized. This body incorporated alkaline hydrolysis, which is an environmentally responsible chemical disposition of disillusion rather of remains, but it is still a disposition method. And when that statutory authority and that whole program was added, the definition of crematory was amended to include alkaline hydrolysis, the definition of crematory establishment. And that's in 26, VSA 1211A1. It was also, there was corresponding amendments adding the service to a limited services establishment. And today, a crematory establishment can offer alkaline hydrolysis. It's our understanding that none have, but that doesn't mean that they can't. They can at this point, it's just the marketplace has not made that switch. We would support, as I've said, adding natural organic reduction as a method of disposition, but we would ask that we do it in a different way that the statute be worked on. I would wanna work with Ledge Council so that we can take what has been previously called crematory establishment and cremation and make it disposition and then put endorsements on the disposition that's non-embalming. So alkaline crematory and natural organic reduction because there's going to be new methods of disposition that continually keep coming. And if we just keep adding, it's really just a practical thing. If we keep adding different forms of burying people or disposing of people, then we are going to create a statutory confusion and quite, I mean, this bill is quite long and it's because it's modifying so much of the language. And we think that it'd be possible to do fewer modifications in the future when the next type of burial comes to fruition. So we'd like to modify what, I'm sorry, I just need to switch to my notes here. We'd like to modify what is currently a crematory establishment and make it a disposition facility and then use endorsements or specialties on that title for crematory, alkaline and natural organic reduction. And I'm happy to answer questions about that, but from an operations standpoint, that would help OPR and perhaps Marketplace. Thank you. Thanks for being here. This is quite complex, especially if you don't know much about this industry. So the personnel who work at this industry are licensed. Is that correct? That is. We regulate the business and the individuals in this profession. And by regulating the business, does the business also have to have a type of license? Yes. Okay. And if the business and the individual working at the business needed to expand, would they have to get additional licenses? No. Well, currently the way the bill is drafted, yes, but the way that I'm proposing an amendment, no, they would just apply for a new specialty on their license, but they would still hold the same license. That's what I thought you were getting at. Okay. And will you provide or have you provided? Yes, you have provided a warning for that. Yes, it would be a disposition facility. Okay. Did you submit anything to our committee? I thought I saw you on here, but I guess I don't under documents. You did not submit. I have not submitted anything. I can if the committee would like, but more what I would like to do is be able to work with Lodge Council to work through what an amendment would look like if this committee was open to it. But I didn't wanna begin that work, which will be substantial unless this committee was open to that work because we can implement the program as this bill is written. I just think statutorily, linguistically, there's a simpler way to do it and a way to build it for the future, not just for this particular issue. Thank you. Lauren, in a case where we would make a general phrase disposition facility and then have endorsements, I'm assuming, I know I shouldn't, but I'm assuming that the language would be written in such a way that if you start with three, if you start with crematory alkaline hydrolysis and natural reduction, that there might be the language of my follow is or any other method that, anticipating that other methods may be developed over time. I mean, that's what you're trying to address here. But if it was that broad, we wouldn't have to keep coming back and adding the simple names even to these as an add-on. I mean, we're trying not to come back with this. I think that you still, I don't think that you would want, let me rephrase, let me stop. I would not recommend that you just allow every type of burial as they come up. I would recommend that disposition facility include crematories, alkaline hydrolysis. That word is so hard for me, alkaline. I know, I know, I know. And natural organic reduction and that that list be amended in future sessions when the next type of burial practice or disposition practice arises, which we know will happen, innovation happens. But I do think that burial and disposition are important. They have health ramifications. They have moral ramifications. They have space ramifications and cemeteries.  And you have others here with you that are experts in this industry and I am not one. So I just think that this is a conversation that when the next form of disposition or burial arises, the legislature should contemplate it and should make sure that the public can be kept safe, that it's being done in an appropriate way. So I wouldn't recommend an open door. I would recommend a defined list that can be amended in future sessions. Good, no, that's good, thank you. Any further questions for Lauren at this time? So the question that you have for us is to contact our legislative council to give permission. So just if I was not able to come on the day that you previously had scheduled testimony, I don't wanna hold you up, but I wanted, this is my recommendation. This is the change that I will continue to want. And I just wanted to engage with the committee on timing and how do you want me to do this and just trying to engage with it. The time is now, I mean, it's this bill thus far, it still needs review, it still needs to be scoured a little bit. We had to make choices if we wanna go to a 50 page bill or a five page bill, because I know that Katie had mentioned that just because she was in the bill, too is updating some other language as well. But I'm inclined to, I'll send an email to Katie and you to just sort of say, if you wanna connect, because now we haven't started markup on this yet. So now would be the time to contemplate that particular change. So if it's okay with the committee, I'll just send a note to our attorneys to make that connection. I appreciate it. Okay, go ahead. All right, thank you, Laura. Can I just say one more thing? I just wanna be clear that this change would not require any crematorium or industry that offers crematory services to change their name, to change their advertising. We would define disposition services as crematory services, so that it wouldn't have huge ripple effects on the industry. It would be more a back-end statutory construction, just so that I can soothe my friend, Christopher Malermo, I just want him to hear me say that crematories will still be able to offer and say they're crematories. This is more just what is printed on the license and what somebody applies for. Sure. All right, well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. You're more than welcome to stay at most of the testimony from our friend Bob as well. I planned to. I've never met Bob, so I plan to hear from him. Yes, thank you. Okay, and Chris, your hand is up. Do you want to just comment before we get to Bob? Yeah, I just wanted to, this is really for Lauren. I just wanted to make sure, are you aware of the questions that I raised in testimony prior? I just want to make sure that that's in the pipeline so that everybody involved, whether it's the facility or a funeral service, understands the parameters of how we function once this form of disposition comes to fruition. Yes, I am aware. I watched your testimony. I made quite a few notes. I think a lot of those concerns need to be resolved in rulemaking around this new form of disposition. So we will have rulemaking authority under this bill. We'll have to engage in rulemaking to resolve a lot of the issues, really important issues that you raised. Yeah, perfect. That's all I really needed. Thanks. And just an example of rulemaking versus legislating so that you can have the flexibility to really focus on what's unique to that particular industry. Okay. Well, welcome to Bob Burke. Bob, I'm going to take the opportunity. We haven't seen you much recently, but I just wanted to reintroduce the committee who's here and we'll start with Representative Howard. Good afternoon and welcome. I am Representative Mary Howard. I represent the Southwest section of Rutland City District 53. Thank you. Hi, Bob. We've seen each other a lot over the years. Chip Triano representing Harvard Standard and Walnut in the Northeast Kingdom. How are you today? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, good to see you. I'm good to see you, Bob. Rhett, Matt, Byron, Virgins representing Northwest Addison County. Good afternoon, Mr. Burke, Representative Lisa Hango. Nice to see you again. The Northern border of Vermont with Canada, so Ward Jones, Richford, Berkshire, Franklin, and Huygate. This is Moonway from the south end of Burlington. I had to think about that. Hello, Mr. Burke, John Kalaki, South Burlington. I'm Joe Bartons, I represent the towns of Thompson, Groton, and Newverg. Good to see you again. I'm Tommy Walz from Berry City. Indeed. I'm Barbara Murphy, serving Fairfax District, Franklin, too. Tom Stevens from Waterbury, I represent Waterbury, Sulton, Huntington, and Beale Score. Bob, we've had you in the past. One of the things of the VA, for the Veterans Affairs, not the big VA, but our little VA. Handles is the young oversight of the physical plant at Cemetery in Randolph, which has been a recurring field trip. So perhaps this spring, we can make our way down there now that we've met again in person and then stop in Randolph on the way back for a free meet. But this legislation, the questions that arose were about this new concept of disposition and whether or not, I think the direct question for the cemetery was whether or not you would need, in addition to your active 50 permit, what would it take, what would we have to understand in order to take, would you, if the family wanted to donate a cubic yard of composted remains, which is what an individual generally would be, how would the cemetery, how would our Veterans Cemetery handle that? So I believe after reading through the active 50 permits from 1991 and on, and I think that Chris had mentioned it before, we are the only cemetery in Vermont that operates in accordance with an active 50 permit. So I did some benchmarking with my colleagues in Washington State, which is one of the places where organic natural reduction is permitted. So at the Washington State Veterans Cemetery, they have a scattering ground. We do not have a scattering ground at the cemetery in Randolph. I would need to construct that. So that would require an active 50, primarily because there's a lot of ledge at the cemetery and drainage and composition of the soils needs to be correct in order to have scattering for remains or some sort of organic natural reduction. Can we take a step back and just, can you explain to us historically why? I mean, I think you may have just answered the question about why this cemetery has an active 50 permit when no one else died. And I hear, I just heard about the sensitivity of the topography of the soils and whatnot and where the cemetery is located. Were there other reasons why it is this way? The history is fairly light in the amount of material to support it. Just one of the things that caught me in reading the land use permit, it says the permit T shall protect the Randolph Center Fire District Wellhead Protection Area. So the majority of the cemetery is located over an aquifier and has a couple of different wetlands and exclusion areas. So, it was originally talked about all corpses shall be embalmed. That was later repealed because that was changed placed in caskets and in sealed concrete structures. All burials will take place above the seasonal high water table. So from reading that and not being involved in 1990 Monument at all took place. My understanding has to be that it was a watershed area and they were providing due protection for that area. So as if this bill passes basically you would need to go, you would need to apply either if you were to accept these remains, if you were to make it a policy that a veteran could donate or have their soil compost spread in Randolph that you would in order to accept that you would need to just apply to adjust your permit. I'd need to apply to adjust my permit but it would be part of the application or the bigger part of the application would be for an expansion and construction of a scattering garden. So it's not, you can't just put it into existing garden beds because you wouldn't do that with chromaens. It has to be a dedicated scattering area. Okay. And so, and how big would that be, do you think? I mean, what does Washington State do, did they say? They didn't say on their area. I mean, it would have to be substantial because you don't want to be adding on to it every two years, five years, 10 years even. So you'd have to, as we did with the cemetery expansion there's a hundred year plan. So you'd want at least a 50 year plan to make an area and then look at, where would it be? What's it gonna cost to maintain, et cetera, et cetera. But until you got, until you found that there was a demand that you needed to provide a scattering garden, the veteran cemetery wouldn't be accepting these remains until all of that process has happened, whether we, if and when we pass this bill it'll just, if someone asks you you'll not be able to receive their remains until you've made that decision to receive the remains and done all the work. Correct. It's very, very seldom that we get a call asking if we have a scattering garden or not. So the demand signal, from a financial point of view the demand signal isn't there and even from a service provider standpoint the demand signal is not there to expend the financial efforts to do that. Okay, and I guess it's, yeah, go ahead and represent it. I was just gonna say, when we speak of the context that the few that you have had about a scattering garden and I'm maybe making the wrong presumption but that it would be of crumbings rather than these particular, I mean, this is a very large amount that this ends up generating. This is what we've come to understand that you're not talking about the typical earn of remains that we think of with cremation. So I'm just curious if what you've had people request of you for scattering garden is more in the sense of the earn. Correct. Correct. It remains. Because I think that that's one piece too that is very different in this in that it's the volume that we're discussing of each individual. It multiplies the amount to be disposed rather than diminishing the quantity of our body. Correct. Representative trial. So Bob, do you have any idea of how involved the 250 activity process might be in order to initiate a Cremain's garden or composting garden or and or how long it may take. And I see you smiling and I'm guessing that this is a question that has no answer. Having a little chuckle for myself here. Yes, I can see. You know, the ballpark. Well, first of all, we'd have to come up with a plan, right? So you've got to have your drawings. You've got to have all your surveys done, et cetera, et cetera. Realistically, I'm going to throw out 12 months. And prior to even putting a shovel on the ground, finding funding, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Well, you mentioned a hundred year plan and it got me a little bit sure. And of course, knowing the VA, the time doesn't really surprise me all that much. But it's not about taking a hundred years to get it done. No, I'm not like this. You're probably with the plan. Yes, right. Exactly. Bob, I have to say that is really one of the honest things when we were talking about the expansion that you just made a couple of years ago where it was like, this is just phase one of a hundred year plan. Where else is there a hundred year plan for anything? Yeah. Well, that's what got the funding. So that's what we did. We also deal with 250 year old cemeteries here in Vermont. So, you know, that's, that's why there's a hundred year. Representative. Is it a problem that people choose this form? They would understand that then their body, those remains could not be dispersed with the veteran. Cemetery. At this point. Yeah, it was there. Okay. At this point in time, I mean, if enough people, again, if enough people, I mean, through their through, it sounds like through their process, if enough people approach the cemetery and say, this is something we want. And this is the same concept of this, of this legislation. There's no. Facility that we're trying to approve or just approving. The concept so that people can then make a business decision, whether or not they would. That they would do this. And I think that so that, so the incoming on the funeral director side and the crematorium side is different than the receptors of the. Where you dispose of the remains. And so. Like everything else, I'm sure it goes hand in hand. But act 250 does not recollect any other cemetery. Is that one. Is that this one? Is that right? Okay. Thank you. That's my that's what they've told me. Okay, thanks. So in other words, another cemetery, every other cemetery could accept these. They could make their own scattering gardens. They can make, they can say, yeah, put them in the woods or put them in this garden here and we'll use, you know, I mean, they can do whatever they need. They would want to do. Of course the family would be just donating them. Right. That's what we learned is that there's no commerce and. Right. But it just seems. I understand the situation in the veterans, but around the water table, but it seems that there must be other cemeteries of the month that are near water tables as well. And this is not putting something in a container. But it's also been. There's nothing in it. It's not. We have, we have a. We went through when I was on our advisory board for land use. We allowed or permitted someone who was doing large animal.  Eventually you just have. Richard. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So two things that just ran through my mind. The second of which was representative Murphy is actually talking about the process of creating this, which would not happen at the cemetery. The process of creating a compost would happen at. A facility that's contained.  And my experience with that 250. And I think this might be the case is that the veteran cemetery in Randolph is large enough. That it would cause. I 250 to be triggered. That's the key. Whereas some other cemeteries that might not. That might be on a water table. That sounds right. Yeah. Yeah. And if I could add something else, I think the one year 12 month. Act two 50 process is optimistic. Yeah. Just from experience from development projects, I've seen it's really more like 18 months to two years. It's just for the paperwork. It's a little bit better if you already have one. So then you're just doing an amendment. So I'm being optimistic. Optimism. We gathered that. I believe that I believe that it's easier to get an active 50 permit for housing for the, for the deceased. Then it is. Absolutely. Yeah. You don't have to hook them up to be this whole water sewer. Right. So, um, I don't know what you're talking about. So Bob. You can tell it's getting to be the end of the week. Okay. So just one more thing and it's something that, that kind of weighs on me a bit. Um, you know, because we're, we're referring to it as, as compost. And organically it is, but it's, it's still human remains. So I don't think it's appropriate to dump it in the woods. Can't you just dump it in the flower beds? I don't think that's appropriate. That's my opinion. I mean, if we're interring, we're, we're laying to final rest veterans. I think it's important. Not only where it's done, but how it's done. You know, I'm not throwing roadblocks, but I'm just saying there is a different intangible dimension. And I think if I could add to that, thank you for bringing that up and I apologize. For my cavalier comment about compost, but that's kind of how this was brought to us. When representative Partridge spoke to us. So. I do feel in your case with the veterans ceremony, a cemetery that it is a little bit different. I think it's a little bit different than other burial grounds as we've been told to call them. And also I would think that a religious cemetery would also fall in under that sphere of. Not calling it compost. It is to be the remains are to be revered. And I think it's a little bit different. But I think it. Very. Reverently. Whereas some people really do want their remains. Composted in their garden. In their flower garden. So I do think that this is a very special case. So I, I apologize. If anything was. Well, and I think that technically from, from a pure scientific and technical standpoint, it does meet the definition of, of compost. But it's just, you know, I, I draw the line that it's. Composted human remains.  It surely meets the definition. And so I just think that there needs to be a recognition.  Finding, finding in this particular case, what's sacred to them. What their late level of that is. Chris Plermo, if I can ask you a question, because this is really. I think this is not, I think it's a little bit more of a concept of what the model is, the labor system for, the labor system for primators and for crematorium, disposition, facility operators, but you. Tell me a little bit about the, the permitting process of like, do you need a permit to move a body from a crematorium to a funeral home or to a cemetery or to a place of disposition. or death certificate, it has a place of final disposition in a crematory or the active premation in Vermont is considered final disposition. So whether you scatter ashes, bury ashes, or keep them at home, the state doesn't care because the act of final disposition is taking place. You know, the same is true for alkaline hydrolysis. And with natural reduction, you know, there's gonna, the act of natural reduction is going to be the final disposition. So whether, and it'll be treated the same way as a crematory is in your statute or at least your proposed statute, so that once that reduction has taken place, whether you scatter them in the woods, or you take them to a burial ground that can accommodate natural reduction compost, that's an extra step that a family can do, but the the act of reduction is considered final disposition. Does that answer your question? It does, but if you were to take, if you were to take the, well, I guess any remains really to cemetery, is there permitting there to? I mean, I'm just thinking about what does this add any paperwork to, you know, when a composting or reduction center has to deliver or the folks have to come and pick up a cubic yard of compost. Right.  It sounds like there's no permit needed for that transaction. So typically what happens now is when, when cremation has been completed, we get a certificate of cremation from the crematory, which says that it identifies the individual, the container number, the date of death, the date of cremation, and that cremation permit as funeral directors, we bring that with us to the final place of disposition so that if we're going to the veteran cemetery or we're going to Holy Cross cemetery in Duxbury, we bring that form with us. They receive it. Typically on the back of the form, they write down the date of internment, the lot and section number, and that either gets filed in their personal files as a permanent record or goes to the town clerk as a burial transit permit would be for cascaded remains in a cemetery so that there is a record someplace saying that this individual was buried or scattered in a burial ground. But that's an extra step that we do just so that there is some sort of record of what happens to those remains, but if the family took them home and set them on the mantle, there's nothing beyond the active cremation that would tell anybody that. So when a person goes to a natural reduction facility, I'm assuming that they will get some sort of paperwork that says this is when it happened, this is the release, and if that family takes that cubic yard of composted human remains and goes to the cemetery or someplace where they can scatter it, they would hand that paperwork off so that there's some record of that final placement. Great. Now, thank you for that clarification. Sure. Any further questions for our guests right now? I think our next steps are to connect Lauren and so the third one on this is Katie McLean. And to do a review of what would make this workable in its best form for OPR, and then we'll return to this soon thereafter. We'll have more conversation about this. I mean, represent working. Well, and I'm not sure that these are the individuals who can maybe speak to this thought, but I just in my time at the post office, we quite often through registered mail did receive bodies and it passes, remains, and it just left me thinking that the transport of a cubic yard is going to be a very different process. And the weight and scale of that is really much more than anyone I think here is picturing. And so just the process of where this would be disposed of, you know, the distance of travel, there's a lot more to this that I think, again, the witness who spoke really to the process, to the disposition. Right, there's a concept here of the business part of it. Well, then even just as a family member, I mean, how do I go collect? I mean, it's a matter. Well, you think that there's an aspect of this that if you're going to choose to do this with your loved one, you've already figured that out, right? I mean, we can do it. We can ask the question anyway. But when we're talking about handling the remains respectfully, and if we want that to really be part of this, it's kind of like, at least understanding what that is when you put it. So perhaps we can talk to yeah, exactly. Explain what the business practices of where this is, where this has happened already. That's the thought of, yes, there's a lot of different ways to think about it in a in any light, but certainly the most respectful way. Yeah, this is the best way to start the conversation. Would that be in the rulemaking for more or no? I don't know. It could be. I would be interested to hear the business model and how it's operating in Washington. I haven't heard that, but that could be something that would be in rulemaking. And I agree with Mr. Burke. Regardless of disposition, these are human bodies. I do think I was trying to say this in my earlier testimony. I do think we need to always be considering the safety of the public, of our water supply, of the financial records. There's a lot of money involved in the funeral industry, funeral space, and also the respect for the human body. I think that's a very serious thing. So I would need to understand what the business model is, how they help families who make this choice move the composted human remains to the final. I understand it's not the final disposition legally in terms of the statute, but to the final resting place of the the composted human remains. I do think that's interesting. Maybe it's something that we would rule make about. I just hadn't thought of it until this moment. The way we work sometimes. Representative Chris Flaro. Yeah, and I just not to add a new wrinkle to this, but one of the things that we find more frequently now is the fact that funeral homes and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner are seeing an increased incidence of unclaimed remains. And predominantly that is cremated remains. But nonetheless, families for a variety of reasons don't fulfill their obligations in terms of finalizing arrangements or picking up cremated remains. And there is some statutory provisions now that allows after three years of funeral home or the OCME's office can appropriately make arrangements for final disposition of those remains. But what do you do with compost? Somebody walks away and doesn't complete their obligations to see it through the end. How does a funeral home or even a facility that's doing this on their own deal with a yard or more of a composted human remains? And that's a discussion that's going on within the funeral directors in Vermont is just that if this comes to fruition, do we need some paperwork that says that the family would need to be obligated to pick up these remains at the facility? Because if they come back to the funeral home and the family doesn't come and pick them up or abandon them, what are we going to do for three years with a yard of compost? So there's this endless conversation of what happens. This is all new territory, and we don't need to reinvent the wheel. But I think conversations with the three states that have a practice, Colorado in particular in Washington state, would be really fruitful to see how they've handled this. And where do we go with this? Because at the end, our role is getting those who've died where they want to go and families where they need to be. And we want to make sure that we get it right. So thank you. Thank you. All right. Committee, anything else on page 244? Bob and Lauren and Chris, thank you so much for coming in today. And good to see you all. Thank you for the information. We're going to probably pick this up again next Friday. But in the meantime, I will connect Lauren and Katie McLean. We will perhaps hear from the people who testified with us about these questions and maybe make a determination with Lauren about where the line gets drawn between the need for legislation against rules and regulations, even for issues like this. So thank you all. Have a good weekend.


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My fellow Americans, one of the most inspiring developments of recent years is the move against communism and toward freedom that is sweeping the world. In the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, we see the dissidents. In Poland, the solidarity movement. We see freedom fighters in Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Cambodia and Angola. These brave men and women are fighting to undo the infamous Brezhnev doctrine, which says that once a nation falls into the darkness of communist tyranny, it can never again see the light of freedom. Nowhere do we see this more than in Nicaragua, whose Sandinista government is a Marxist-Leninist clique that broke the hearts of the freedom-loving people of their country by imposing a brutal dictatorship soon after taking control in 1979. Functioning as a satellite of the Soviet Union and Cuba, they moved quickly to suppress internal dissent, clamp down on a free press, persecute the church and labor unions and betray their pledge to hold free elections. Now they're exporting drugs to poison our youth and linking up with the terrorists of Iran, Libya, the Red Brigades and the PLO. The Sandinistas aren't Democrats but communists, not lovers of freedom but of power, not builders of a peaceful nation but creators of a fortress Nicaragua that intends to export communism beyond its borders. The true heroes of the Nicaraguan struggle, non-communist democracy-loving revolutionaries, saw their revolution betrayed and took up arms against the betrayer. These men and women are today the democratic resistance fighters some call the Contras. We should call them freedom fighters. Sandinista propaganda denounces them as mercenaries and former national guardsmen of the Samosa dictatorship. But this is a lie. The freedom fighters are led by those who oppose Samosa and their soldiers are peasants, farmers, shopkeepers and students, the people of Nicaragua. These brave men and women deserve our help. They do not ask for troops but only for our technical and financial support and supplies. We cannot turn from them in their moment of need. To do so would be to betray our centuries-old dedication to supporting those who struggle for freedom. This is not only legal, it's totally consistent with our history. Time and again in the course of our history, we've aided those around the world struggling for freedom, democracy, independence and liberation from tyranny. In the 19th century, we supported Simone Bolivar, the great liberator. We supported the Polish patriots, the French resistance and other seeking freedom. We well remembered how other nations like France had come to our aid during our own revolution. It's not in the American tradition to turn away and lucky for us that those who loved democracy 200 years ago didn't turn away from us. Most of us know of the heroism of Lafayette, who chose to be a brother to those who fought for American independence. But he did more than fight in the field for the Continental Army. He went to France during the war and pleaded with his government for financial aid for the American rebels. And he returned to General Washington with a promise that France would send support, including a large contingent of troops to help in the crucial last campaign. It was those French troops and Lafayette himself who helped defeat General Cornwallis and assure the British surrender at Yorktown. America may never have been born without the help and support of the freedom-loving people of Europe, of Lafayette, and von Stuben, and Kosciusko, and America did not forget. More than a century after our revolution, American soldiers went to France to help them resist tyranny in World War I, and they said in words that will live forever in the history of gratitude, Lafayette, we are here. This is not a story from some romantic past. This is how democracy was built, with one country, one people helping another in their hour of greatest peril. And now the free people of El Salvador, Honduras, and yes of Nicaragua ask for our help. There are over 15,000 freedom fighters struggling for liberty and democracy in Nicaragua and helping to stem subversion in El Salvador. The fighting for an end to tyranny and its only reliable product, cruelty. They are our brothers. How can we ignore them? How can we refuse them assistance when we know that ultimately their fight is our fight? We must remember that if the Sandinistas are not stopped now, they will as they have sworn attempt to spread communism to El Salvador, Costa Rica, Honduras, and elsewhere. The freedom fighters are putting pressure on the Sandinistas to change their ways and live not as communist puppets but as peaceful democrats. We must help. Congress must understand that the American people support the struggle for democracy in Central America. We can save them as we were once saved, but only if we act and now. Until next week, thanks for listening and God bless you.


Hi everyone, Joe for jazby's casebreaks.com doing our last filler to sell out that 2019 National Treasures Baseball Brick, which is right here coming up in a separate video. This was actually loaded up as a choice box. We actually don't have any choice boxes. We do have plenty of these though. Donner's Opt choice was actually a little more expensive than the Mosaic choice. So that's what we're going to do instead. Sorry about that. I think you're actually getting a better deal. And the whole point of this is really those NT spots anyway, not necessarily the box itself. A big thanks to this group for getting in on the action. There are the teams right there. Let's roll it. Let's randomize names and teams three and a one, four times, one, two, three and a one, fourth and final time. And then we'll do the giveaway dice, the giveaway randomizer in a separate dice roll. Three and a one, four times for the teams, two, we always do the break first, three and a one. And then final time, Baltimore down to Arizona. There's the first half of the list right here and there's the second half of the list right there. All right. No trade windows. Let's just break. That was the final printout. Let's see what we can find in here. There's three autographs in the box. So we'll set those autographs there. We got the different dragon scales right here. There's nine out of 88, Jose Altuve, Leo de Tavares. That's to 110. Jose Altuve goes to Travis and the Astros. The Tavares will be for the Rangers. It'll be for Dusty. There's Alex Kirloff for the Twins, Travis, it's to 88. And then we've got some red and whites to 45. Dean Kramer for Michael and the Orioles. And then Jacob de Grom for the Mets. That'll be for Dusty. It's to 45. All right. We've got Luis Camposano and our first autograph that I accidentally grabbed is David Peralta, or David Peterson that is, not David Peralta, it's a different ball player. 84 out of 99 for the Yankees, Terry and the Yankees. And then behind Bryce Harper is a Davie Garcia. Another, that's David Peterson's Amet, that's for Dusty. And Terry has the Yankees. 76 out of 99. And the third and final one is Greg Maddox, Retro Rated Rookie Autograph. That looks like Cubs Edition, right? Chicago Cubs Edition of Greg Maddox, four out of 15. And that's for Josh and the Cubs, nice. There's the Bryce Harper right there. All right, now, let's go back to this list and let's see who's going to win those 2019 NT Baseball spots. So new dice, new list, and it's going to be the top eight, top eight after nine, five and a four, nine times, one, two, and ninth and final time, five and four, nine times. So from nine on down, it's going to be sad times. Sorry, Dusty, very close, no cigar, although your name still may be on top. Happy times, though, for the top eight, you're in the break. Corey, Kevin, Steve, there you go, Dusty. Steven, Dusty again, Travis, and Dusty. Top eight after nine in that 2019 NT Baseball break. We'll see you for that in the next video, jaskyscasebreaks.com. Bye-bye.


Hi there! My name is Sandy Allnach. I'm an artist and paper crafter here on YouTube and today I want to talk about masking complex scenes. I do this a lot on my cards and most of the time I don't show you the masking. I tell you things like stamp the images in the foreground first and I get a lot of questions about which one is in the foreground. How do you know what order to do your stamping? So I'm going to talk about that with these four cards. I'm not going to show you the coloring because the coloring is off the charts crazy ridiculous and took me forever but I do want to talk about the masking portion of these and show you how I did that using my MISTI. So my first thing to do when I am going to use a whole stamp set because I like to stamp and color all the images if I can is to stamp them all on some masking paper and this is Judy Kinn's eclipse tape and it comes in six inch and one inch rolls and I like the six inch because you can get a lot on there and I'm going to just kind of place them wherever I kind of think I want my scene to start. Now this one is kind of straight up I knew exactly I wanted to have this little family the little deer around the daddy deer. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with that log and I eventually decided it wasn't going to go in here at all. So I'm going to take my MISTI and place my this is my scratch paper like my master in here and I'm going to adjust a little bit if I need to before I start any stamping because it's easier to do with your masks than it is going to be if you start doing any of your stamping and don't ask me how I know that because yeah it's just easier trust me. In this positioning you can also figure out which one wants to be in front of which one so this little guy on the far right hand side is going to be behind. I want the butt of that one to his left to be in front and I'm going to put the ground underneath of the ones in front down lower and the ones in the back will be up a little bit higher and then I'm going to take all of the images that are in the front that aren't getting in each other's way and I can fit on here and stamp them all at the same time you could certainly stamp them separately but I'm going to stamp them all at the same time if you don't have a MISTI you could place these and use whatever positioning we have for them to be able to get this this kind of a scene set up but certainly much easier with a MISTI. So I'm going to place my paper in here my finished paper this is my Copic Mina since I'm going to use Copic markers on this if you're using watercolor paper just put watercolor in there and stamp it with the appropriate ink I'm using the Mento since I'm using Copic markers but if you're using watercolor paper use a waterproof ink and now I'll take my masks and place them over top of the images that are in the front because the ones in the front are the ones that I want to block out so nothing stands over top of it notice that I didn't trim out the feet don't need to trim out the feet I'm not going to be masking that portion so don't make yourself do a lot of cutting that you don't have to I'm going to use the other half of the MISTI to set up the other deer and if I were using two MISTIs which I do often then I could actually set up four parts of a scene but here I'm going to do two and I want to make sure I don't get the clouds and the other deer onto this piece of paper so if you're going to do this and you don't want to to get the original stamps onto this piece of paper when it's upside down then just put a post-it note over it so you block that off now I can ink up my two little deer and when I stamp them they're going to appear to be behind the other deer since the others are blocking it off and you won't be able to see anything that's stamped behind those masks if that makes sense you could take all this off all the masking off and peek but I trust that it's going to work so I'm not going to peek I'm going to use the bottom half the MISTI again instead of grabbing another one so I've removed some of the stamps from the left hand side from the acrylic and I'm going to place my trees and my bushes and stuff in here notice the trees are masked for right now in one piece I will have to trim them out so that I can add more bushes because I did decide to do that later but again don't cut out more than you have to if you don't need to why bother doing extra work so I'm going to place my masks over top of a deer that I just stamped to make sure that they don't get covered up by any of the inking work that I do and then I can stamp my bushes and my trees and as I was looking at this I thought it would be kind of nice if there was another clump of bushes so then I cut out my trees so they were individual and my bushes can go in between the trees you could actually draw that little portion in between if you didn't want to cut them out and all I have to do is what I did before on the other one slide it over and then I want to figure out exactly how far I want to slide it I want to keep the space on the right hand side about the same as the space on the left hand side so I'm going to slide it over until I'm happy with it and then I can ink up that stamp and stamp another set of bushes notice that I did remove the trees so I don't accidentally stamp the trees and then press that down remove all my masks and I've got my scene if there's any spaces where my masking wasn't perfect or things didn't stamp I can fix that with a Copic Multiliner or you could use a Sharpie if you're going to use watercolor with this I just finish off and here's images that didn't apply exactly work out and then color away now again this is way too much coloring for most people and I don't even know if I will ever do this again because it was a lot of work that took me forever but it was fun nonetheless so I like to put scenes behind everything these would be really adorable with just the deer and no leaves underneath them they would be just as adorable I think so please don't feel intimidated by the scenes that I've done you find these cards and go ahead and stamp a group of images together to make a scene okay now I'm going to speed up these next ones because now that you've walked through the basic process you can sort of get an idea of what I've done this one has a bunch of Vikings in it there's mama and papa and a son and a daughter and a dog and a baby who puts a helmet on a dog clearly decided does how cute is that right so I'm trying to figure out exactly where I want to place all of these and I had an idea in my head to do a dock that they're all standing on a pier because there is a boat in the stamp set I thought it would be nice to have the boat in the distance and they were all either waiting for someone to come home or the whole family was going to go on a trip who knows what was going to go on here but I'm trying to arrange them in some sort of fashion and you can see how easy it is to just take these little pieces of sticky paper and arrange them we can move them in limitless ways and figure out exactly what you want to do and turn the whole paper sideways and do a vertical part whatever you want to do is certainly possible at this stage as I was doing the boat in the background I was starting to think about a way to add some dimension to the card which you will see but I decided I was going to do that on a separate piece of paper and pop the stuff in the front so stay tuned for some fun in just a few minutes so on my my good paper the first thing that gets stamped is the images in the front baby and doggy were in the front so I stamped them first and then I'm going to do three of the family members turn them around on the other side of the misty so that they all get stamped in there onto the same piece of paper that the masks are already in place for the other ones place those masks and all I have to do is place the son and the mom in addition to get the dad in there didn't have to add the mask for the daughter since I wasn't going to do any stamping over the top of her now I've got a new piece of paper that I'm going to use for my background and I've stamped my boat place my mask in there and then get my mountains in place and I'll stamp the mountains now I wanted to do a row of mountains so I'm going to do the same thing that I did with my bushes in the last one I slid it over so I could get the mountains on the same line to do the front piece what I did was draw a pencil line across it and my my pier started there and then I trimmed it out a fussy cut right around all of their helmets and all of their heads I know it's crazy ridiculous and sometimes I just put too much love in a card but I like to do it and I do this for fun I don't do it because it's quick I do it because I love to do it and it's going to make somebody happy but here's a close-ups you can see exactly how that plays out when there's a little bit of dimension added just on the people in the front in the front in that foreground okay now this is an easy one because there's two stamps that I'm masking together I played around with with whether the three little guys are in front or the single little ogre is in front and decided the little guys would be in the front and so all I have to do is the same process use my master to line up where my big shrek goes and get him stamped in there and then have fun coloring for the rocks in the background of this one I did a video on doing this kind of rock work with watercolor and I did the same process here except with Copic marker so I will link you at the end of this video to the watercolor rocks so you could do this on one of your cards because it was fun to just give them a little bit of a scene behind that they're coming out of their cave it's good doobie bod so much fun now some other stamps in that same stamp set were witches and there were three witches from a couple different fairy tales but I thought it would be fun to make them friends so I arranged them and it kind of got the placement of where the feet would be on each one of the little witches on the left and right and was able to stamp those two witches at the same time around their cauldron and then add the final witch in the background rubbing her little hands you can almost hear her laugh and then all that's left after I pull off those masks is to color them now they would be color cute color just on the center of a card that would be a great Halloween part anyway but I decided to add a crazy background behind them some trees in the distance and dirt underneath of them with the glowing light coming from their cauldron goodness gracious what a bunch of silly fun right so I hope this is helpful in getting some understanding of masking and when I say masking from the front to the back that is what I'm talking about and on the right hand side there is a video so you can see the rocks that I talked about in watercolor and someday maybe I'll do some corporate rocks all right I will talk to you guys later make sure you hit the subscribe button if you haven't yet and I will see you next time have an awesome awesome day bye


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The Nigerian Economic Summit group has highlighted some of the major factors responsible for Nigeria's economic crisis, as well as preferred solutions to some of them. The private sector, Le'athing Feng and the policy advocacy group and its analysis pointed out that the country is stuck in a confused economic situation, with most economic indicators spiraling out of control, inflicting severe hardship for non-Nigerians. This was made known in a Kaminag issue from the meeting of the board of directors of the NESG held on the 26th of July 2022. The NESG said that the country's economic growth was dominated by sectors with little contributions to outputs and a weak job-creating capacity, while the oil sector remained in recession for eight consecutive causes, with headline inflation at 18.6%, according to the NBS. It also stated that despite high global oil prices, Nigeria is not appropriating the benefits due to the low crude oil production, largely as a result of oil theft and pipeline vandalism, declining investment and divestment caused by oil theft, high cost of production and a hash operating environment.