Hello and welcome to NewsClick. Today we are covering the big ticket item which is the hacking of phones in India by Pegasus. A software which was developed by an organization called NSO. It's an Israeli organization with very close ties to the defence ministry over there because this is supposed to be an item which needs special export clearance. Pornja, without getting into the details right now of what Pegasus and all of it is, just for our viewers, it is something which targets essentially mobile phones which have become de facto what everybody uses in communications and obviously this is a therefore an extremely good vector of attack and if the phone is hacked which is what the software does, then you can also hack into the microphone, record whatever you are saying doesn't matter where the phone is speaking on the phone to somebody or not and even the camera. So it's really a very high level snooping tool that this is developed. The big story today is of course that the political parties particularly the opposition political parties have been targeted the names are coming out it's been given out in install beds. Can you tell us who are the major names today that have come out of this particular exercise which is going on? On Sunday night we had the revelation that journalists had been zoomed on and as we are recording our conversation on Monday evening the wire has disclosed that there is a long and a very interesting list of individuals whose phones were snooped on. Wire is a party to this expose which is worldwide to the 17 media organizations that are part of this expose called the Pegasus Project which is being led by a France based non-government organization called Forbidden Stories together with MNST International as one of their partners.  Number two Prashant Kishore supposed to be the political strategist and interestingly Prashant Kishore's phone has been tracked all the time when he was a consultant with West Bengal Chief Minister Mamuta Banerjee all the way till very recently when he met Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi in Delhi. Then of course Mamuta Banerjee's own nephew Abhishek Banerjee her personal secretary these are among the important people who are in the opposition who have been snooped on. At least these are the names that have been revealed but what is interesting is also the people who are part of the ruling party and the ruling establishment. Most recently and this is really the ironical part of it the young former IAS officer Ashwini Vaishna who currently heads Meti the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology has himself been snooped on and his wife of course the snooping happened before he became the minister. Another person who's been snooped on is a Minister of State for Water Resources the Jal Shakti Ministry and his name is Prahlad Patel. Interestingly he has had this kind of a loveate relationship with certain members of the BJP and the RSS the Rajeshwaram Srivaksant we can talk about that. Then we have a person who's not exactly Prime Minister Narendra Modi's best friend and that is Praveen Tugadia of the Vishwar Hindu Parishad. And then we have Minister Smriti Irani's former officer on special duty and his name is Sanjay Kachu and we also have Rajasthan's former Chief Minister Vasundhara Rajesh's former personal secretary Pradeep Awasthi. Now the list doesn't stop there. What has been disclosed so far by the wire is that days after the former Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoey now a Rajasabha Member of Parliament days before a court officer an assistant to the court leveled allegations of sexual harassment against the former Chief Justice of India. Her phone and that of her husband was also tapped. Just after she made the coup. Just soon after that. Days after that. Wait. The former Election Commissioner Ashok Lavasa who dissented against the Chief Election Commissioner and the another Election Commissioner in the run up to the 2019 Luxabha elections and who's now with the Asian Development Bank. His phone was also tracked. Also civil society activist Jagdeep Choker who's one of the founders of the Association for Democratic Reforms. And there are of course others and that is this is really now interesting and we don't know how many more names are going to come up. But these names are pretty explosive and they are pretty sensational. That's what I can say. Well there has been a ruckus in the parliament. The opposition is obviously up in arms. And we also had a very anodine statement if I may say so from the current IT minister whom you named Mr. Vaishnav. That's right. Who says that due diligence has not been done by the media houses while investigating this case. Now his argument is that WhatsApp said you know there is their software was not broken. They said it long back. They filed a case against NSO. That's good. In the US court. That's correct. I think 19. Yeah. Which is still pending. 2020 it was admitted by the court and there are at least five major software companies technical companies like Microsoft and various others who have joined in that petition as well saying it's a huge risk to everybody. So you know it's not a minor issue that the minister for instance says that people have not done due diligence. Also the fact that they say that we have already given answers to that. Now if you remember that answer it was that no unauthorized tapping has been done. So the question that was argued was it authorized this hacking that was being done because this is really a hacking of the phone. All right. It is not a legal tap in that sense. So let me respond to what you've said. What is unauthorized hacking? We know that this is violating the law. What is authorized? That means there is I'm sorry to disagree. There is nothing called authorized hacking. Okay. There is authorized snooping snooping if surveillance if you like. Okay. Authorized surveillance. That means if you take prior permission from the secretary of the ministry of home affairs then you can tap a person's phone. Only if you go not by the gray area but legally only by getting access to the telephone companies infrastructure which they will provide you. Absolutely. But if you recall that's right. You know that is still at best a very much a gray area. Probably if you recall the radio conversations which were recorded and at that time it was argued that the income tax department and the CBI had sought the permission of the home ministry and had received it. That's one part of the story about authorized and unauthorized. But what Mr. Ashwini Vaishnav's response has been it's not just anodyne he's repeating what has been said. There was a response to a write to information query about it was a very pointed question. Has any agency of the government of India purchased this Pegasus software which runs into millions of dollars and even I can't purchase it even if you have the millions of dollars because they'll only sell it to a government agency. And whether the government had purchased it if so which which department of the government or which agency of the government. And even now the government of India and Mr. Ashwini Vaishnav is their silence is deafening. They are neither denying that they've purchased Pegasus software nor are they confirming it. So this is really the truly amazing part of the whole story. You know when we go into the issue of of course Pegasus software it's interesting because that's the biggest money spinner for the NSO the organization. Three-fourths of the revenue come from Pegasus and it has become a hot item in 40 odd countries. And one of the of course main targets of all of this were journalists. And let's look at the total number of what we see as investigations that this group has done into this NSO hacking. And out of 160 or 180 journalists across 45 countries more than 40 are in India. So that's a very big number. Absolutely. Compared to the total number of hundred journalists in the world out of 180 40 are in India. More than 40. In fact it's close to 50. Okay. So and yours is also one of them. Wait wait wait before you ask me about myself let me just react to one or two points you made about the NSO. If you visit you know by the way the NSO after issuing various statements including to forbidden stories one of these people before they published this. They are now saying you know this is all nonsense you haven't got any leaked material this is all in the public domain. And what they are saying they've even now threatened to sue this Paris based NGO called Forbidden Stories. That's one part. Secondly if you go through the NSO's website they are very clear that this software is meant for law enforcing agency. You want to track pedophilic drug traffickers. You want to you know if there are some drones which are going to threaten the security of the country it can track them. And if there are some somebody who's been kidnapped or even people who have been buried under rubble if there any survivors you can. So it was all made out that this is very very legit and this is very very it has a very very positive kind of thing. But what is very clear is the 40 plus journalists if you look at their profiles they have something in common. All of them have taken a critical position vis-a-vis the government of India at present. So it's not a coincidence that you don't find for instance Mr. Arnab Goswami's name among the 40 journalists. Or for example the representatives of the so-called Godi media. So it was clear that they were targeting individuals. It was not a blind kind of mass surveillance but whether it's Rahul Gandhi or Prashant Kishore or Abhishek Banerjee or Ashok Lavasa or Jagdeep Choklar or the person who's accused the Chief Justice of India, former Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoi or for that matter the Abhinav Vaishna, Praveen Togadia, Smriti Rani's former officer on special duty Vasundhara Rajesh's former personal secretary or the minister Pralat Patel. They were targeted. That's very clear and this is coming very clear take Rahul Gandhi's case. His two aides who are his political aides Alankar, Alankar Sawai and Sachin Rao, they were targeted. But what wire has done they've not revealed five names of individuals who are not in politics but there are social acquaintances of Mr. Rahul Gandhi. Even their phones were tapped. And interestingly Prashant Kishore was being tapped right through from 2018. So you know one thing is very clear that the attack on media particularly the digital media has been there for some time now. We have had cases filed against various journalists. Siddharth for instance of wire has had cases filed against him. We had you know Dua cases filed against him. So this has been there. But this part of it that they were being tracked all these figures who as you said are could be considered totally digital platform this time also in the mainstream media could be considered as not particularly pro-visit. For instance Indian Express journalists like Rithika Chopra, former Indian Express staff for Sushant Singh, other journalists working for mainstream media organizations like the Hindustan Times even they were part of the list of 40 plus journalists who were tracked. Prem Shankarja of the Doins of Indian Journalists. Well-known columnist absolutely correct Rohini Singh who broke that article about Amit Shah's son's assets going up. So it's very clear that they were all targeted. I mean it was not as I said earlier not a sort of mass surveillance individuals were targeted. And the big question which remains unanswered is were these authorized? Or who authorized them? Because it is clear that this is not the doesn't cost peanuts. It seems to be very close to the shall we say the government. Probate 8 million dollars. It's not small change. And to think that the government of India if it is actually true is spending your money and my money. This is taxpayers' money to spy on me and you. I don't know whether your name will come up but as of now I know I was snooped on. How did you come to know that you were snooped on? Can you tell us a little bit of the personal story? All right. My personal story is like this. In March Sandhya Ravi Shankar who is a journalist a well-known investigative journalist. She's a Chennai based journalist. She works for an organization called the LEED which she's founded. She contacted me out of the blue and said I want to meet you. I have to meet you face to face. This is in March. By that time the second wave hadn't started. The second COVID wave had she came over. He says I'm coming from Chennai and I said you have to come early because I was going out of station on that day. So she came early in the morning and then she told me the story that she is there representing forbidden stories which is in partnership with Amnesty International, their lab and they have come across my number. And they suspect that my number was compromised. Now the interesting part of the story is she says can I have your phone? Can I download all the data on your iPhone onto my hard disk and we'll put it up on the cloud. I said why should I give it to you? Why should I trust you? She convinced me.  He's also written a long article. Another lady they all convinced me that my data would be safe. So I overcame my inhibitions and I said okay I'll do this in the public interest. Twice they went through all the data. They said you keep a copy in your laptop and they downloaded it not once but twice. And they said it'll take about a month and a half. Short enough it took that much. And then they said we have come across, your data has been, your phone has been compromised. And it happened between April, May and June 2018. That's the time that you are looking at the Amnesty story. Absolutely that was the time I had just started working on a regular basis with NewsClick. And then so they asked me, so one of the first questions I asked me, who has compromised? He says we don't know. Yes that is the big part of the story. That we don't know who has. That compromising the phone is something which even the experts are saying is almost impossible to prevent. And you know what is called zero's click. And I thought I had an iPhone and that Apple phone was supposed to be more secure than Android phones. That was the impression I got but I was told no. Later on I learned that this Pegasus software can infiltrate even your FaceTime account which is supposed to be as secure or more secure than signal. They don't keep any data. To come back to my story, it was only actually on Sunday night I realized it was Pegasus. But they were quite clear. They said what were the stories you were working on? And I said yes. My colleague Abir Das Gupta and I at that time we had put together a detailed story about the late Dhirubhai Ambani's overseas assets, foreign assets, how they had been moved from one tax haven to another tax haven. And we sent questionnaires to his two sons Mr. Mukesh Ambani, Mr. Anil Ambani. We got no response and then NewsClick in May 2018 published this story. And I was also working at that point of time on the book on Facebook that eventually got published in April 19. So I said as far as I remember these were the only art I think. But now it seems there's a pattern before the 2019 election just like Mr. Ashok Lavasa. At the time where he dissented against his colleagues about whether Mr. Narendra Modi and Mr. Amit Shah had violated the model code of conduct. You know the pattern is very clear. Prashant Kishore meets Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi, his phone is being tracked. Everything is a pattern. Days after the former Chief Justice of India is accused of sexual harassment. The person who accuses him, her phone, her husband's phone is tracked. So it falls into a pattern. And interestingly, the minister, the 50-year-old former IAS officer Shwini Vaishnav and his wife, who's now not just handling the electronics and information technology, it's also the ministry of railways. Yeah, a very important ministry. At that point of time he hadn't joined the BJP. And it was the Biju Jantadal which actually vacated a Rajya Sabha seat for him, which the Chief Minister of Orissa, Navin Patnakset, after he received a phone call from Prime Minister Narendra Modi. So I think there's probably more to this story. We have to wait and watch. Well, let's put it this way. What we are seeing is tip of the iceberg because even the NSO hacking in India is tip of the iceberg. This is the more sophisticated, more than shall we say, the intrusive part which is being done. But there's a whole bunch of other things which is also continuing. So, you know, which is the old-fashioned style activities which are in progress. So what it does seem is this government is increasingly getting more and more upset with opposition to its views. And we know that, for instance, they really have decided not to have any compromise on any of the issues, but basically ramrodding whatever they want. And increasingly, when they face resistance, then I think their response is getting more and more of this kind. You know, I have a feeling that this kind of very defensive response denying that any law had been broken, that we had been doing it in an authorized manner, I think after a point it's going to be counterproductive. Simply because after the disclosure of these names, parliament is in session, but as you know, it's not functioned because the opposition was screaming and shouting, but because of the fact that this is not just concerning India. There are 45 countries from Azerbaijan to UAE to Saudi Arabia. And in fact, Jabal Khashoggi's wife and lawyer, they were apparently tracked using the software. This has become a huge international issue. When you have international publications, even if our government doesn't care about what the Washington Post publishes this is no longer a story confined to India alone. It's a global story. People are asking, how could Apple's systems be so compromised? And I think we're going to hear much more about this. Yes, and also, you know, this has been a part of Israel's foreign policy offensives in West Asia because the two parties, two countries which came close to Israel recently, as you know, the United Arab Emirates and the Saudis, both of them were clients of NSO first, you see. And then you have the thaw with Israel. Saudi is not as much as United Arab Emirates, but both of them are also against the Qataris. So in fact, that is the other target. And if you recall some time ago, there was a big hue and cry about the journalists of Al Jazeera, their phones also being compromised. Of course Jamal Khashoggi was a Washington Post columnist. So Washington Post obviously has that in mind. And as we know that that time itself, the NSO connection on Jamal Khashoggi was public. So it wasn't that secret that was known at that time also. But the interesting part is how closely NSO is also part of Israel's foreign policy. And I think those are also what you, when you talk about international ramifications. That's where you connect the dots and it's all, so it's going to be a big story. So international ramifications are also in that way, that when you look at geopolitics of all of this, then obviously the NSO Israel is a very important angle to analyze geopolitics itself. Thank you very much Praveen. It's been more than one and a half years I'm meeting you face to face. It's very good to actually be back in the studio. Back in the studio and we hope before or if a third wave strikes, we can do more of these shows. Let's take this window that's been given to us and see how best we can utilize. Thank you so much. This is all the time we have news click today. Do keep watching us and also follow me visiting our website. We will continue to cover the Pegasus hack in the coming days. And of course, Parujay Guhatakutta will be with us for many of these discussions.


Everyone, today we are with Megha Tata, the CEO of Cosmos Maya India Private Limited. Today we are going to be chilling out with her. So Megha, tell us what do you do on a typical weekend? On a weekend, you know, that's me time in many ways. So my kids are not there anymore. They're all studying abroad and working outside. So that's my time to sort of just unwind, watch a bit of content, step out, spend time with my husband, my family, and then just go out for a meal maybe, a movie sometimes, a mixed bag of all of that. Yes. So since you have talked about content, what is the last show that you have been watched? The last show I've been watched was actually Rocky Boys 2 on Sunday 11th, yeah, and the movie that you have last watched. The last movie I watched was actually in theatre and I was John Wick. Oh wow, John Wick 4? Yeah, John Wick 4. I did, I did, but it's a good idea. Okay, what is that one food that you cannot do without? It's not going to be a very exciting answer but it is Bindi. I love Bindi. So yeah, that's my funny joke in the family, like when I come back from a fancy holiday with all lots of things and we eat all around the world, but when I come back home, everyone knows that I have to have my dad traveling with me. What is your next vacation going to be? I'm hoping that I get a vacation soon where it doesn't match, but there's so many places to see in our country and I have big travel enthusiasts as well. Both my husband and I are outdoor adventure seekers. We both are riders as well.  So I do ride a bike, but not as professionally as my husband. So we generally go to these bike trips and ride across the most mountains of our country. So I'm hoping that we can do that soon or just get out into the mountains. So hoping for that soon. One last question is what is that one skill or a hobby that you want to pursue this year? Skill and a hobby. I have always wanted to learn singing. I've always had this whole desire to be a singer and I did try it. I was a miserable failure. So maybe if I have the guts to try again, maybe I will go and try singing. Great.


I really appreciate the chance to be here. This is an attempt to showcase what I think our government is about. It's supporting the work of what goes on here. Supporting the work of these kids, getting the education we need them to have. We down the street here have to figure out how everybody is going to get a good education. Part of that is fair funding and part of that is having dedicated professionals. What we end up with is you guys getting a good education. You get everything you need. If we don't do that, shame on us.


All eyes are on the Sun this week. As we take a look at our Earth-facing disc, we do have a lot of active regions in Earthview, but all our focus is on region 3182. We knew this region was coming even before it rotated into view. In fact, on the third, it fired a big solar flare that Stereo-A saw and a big solar storm, but we'll talk more about that in a minute. Meanwhile, we knew it was coming. This is actually regions 3162 and 363 from clear back in December. If you can remember, we followed this through the Sun's far side through the Helios seismology Monitor from JSOC and we actually could watch as the regions 3162 and 63 rotated to the Sun's far side. They continued to grow even through the far side. And so we knew when this region was going to rotate back into view, it could give us some decent shows and it did not disappoint. On the sixth, wham! Right there, it's hardly rotated into view and it launches an X12 flare. Now, there's not a solar storm with this with this particular flare and the flare was reasonably fast, but we did get some decent radio bursts from it up into about the 100 gig megahertz range. And so we're still going to be paying attention to it. You can actually see all the electrical activity going on as it's continuing to rotate into view. We'll get a better look at it, but we do have a decent risk right now for X-class flares because likely that's what's going to continue. Now, as we take a look at our Sun's far side, this is Stereo A and it's looking at the Sun just a little bit from the side. We could actually capture that event back on the third. Wham! Right there, you see that big flare. We don't know the class. It was likely an X-class. This was again from region 3182, right prior to it rotating into earth view. But here's the thing. You can actually watch when that flare happens. You can watch it kind of evacuate all of this overlying stuff. And that is the solar storm that was launched. That solar storm has now hit Parker Solar Probe. When we take a look at the models, you can actually see it hit Parker Solar Probe bullseye it right there about on the fourth. So we've been paying attention to this, but the thing is that when it evacuates that much overlying field, it typically means that you're not going to have another solar storm launch from it. So Aurora photographers, if you're waiting for this region to rotate into the Earth Strike Zone, well, it may not deliver a solar storm for us. It may just be a bunch of these fast radio blackouts. So amateur radio operators and emergency responders and those in dealing with space traffic and launch just realize we might have issues with up to about an R3 radio blackout over this next week and possibly two weeks before this region rotates out of view. For more details on this week's space weather, including how these X-flares could affect space traffic and space launch, come check out my channel or see me at spacewetherwoman.com.


The preliminary hearing for a man accused of killing three different police officers in Fully County last month was canceled following the grand jury's decision to issue an indictment beforehand. In Kentucky, there are certain criteria, aggravators that trigger the possibility of death penalty. Some of those include more than one victim, which you would at least potentially have here, and also death of a police officer. So it is eligible for consideration to seek death penalty, and we will consider that and go through the process that we always go through. That's what was said following the cancellation of 49-year-old Lance Stores's preliminary hearing Monday afternoon. He was accused of murdering three police officers on June 30th and was scheduled to appear in court at 1.30 p.m. It was shortly after the hearing began that District Judge Eric Hall announced that the hearing was no longer necessary since the grand jury had already issued a 20-count indictment. Afterward, Floyd County Attorney Keith Bartley spoke on the matter stating his thoughts on the death penalty. With everything in me believe that Mr. Stores is a case that has earned the death penalty. The impact not just on three people that he murdered. And make no doubt there's no question about his guilt. He has admitted his guilt. There's no question about that. Not that there wasn't 200 witnesses that are prepared, I'm sure, to testify to that regard, but Mr. Stores has admitted his guilt. So if you ask me, do I think the death penalty is appropriate from the perspective of not being the prosecutor in that case, I absolutely think the death penalty is appropriate. It's all in our hands, this life of time that's given to us all. It is all in our hands, it is all in our hands. Experienced heart specialist and subspecialist collaborating for the benefit of your care. Top 10% national hospital rankings for patient safety and heart attack and heart failure treatment. The technology and skill to perform extraordinary complex minimally invasive cardiac, electrophysiology, interventional and structural heart surgeries. This is a Heart and Vascular Institute at Pikeville Medical Center. It is all in our hands, it is all in our hands. When it comes to your heart, place your care in our hands. It is all in our hands, it is all in our hands. Upon Bartley's comments he mentions the death's impact on the community and law enforcement. I don't know that this community ever fully recovers from that. My concern, in addition to just the family members that survived the people who have passed and the family members have to deal with the healing of those who survived, is that I believe you will have somewhat of an exodus of people leaving the police community. And I believe that you will struggle to find people to step up to do those jobs in this area. And therefore I think the impact may be forever. It certainly will be long term. I think before we ever get back to a police force that is fully staffed and capable and experienced. I mean think about it, we lost two police officers that had 70 years experience between them. How do you ever replace that? I don't know that it's possible. The date for Storrs' Arrangement is to be set Tuesday at 10.30 a.m. at the Fulwick County Courthouse. Reporting from Prestonsburg, Kentucky, for Mountain Top News, I'm Joel Forgell.


In entertainment news, after 15 months of closure, nightclubs have reopened their doors in Catalonia on Sunday night. Certain restrictions still apply, such as a limit of 50% of venue's total capacity, the obligation to wear a mask inside, closing time at 3.30am and a register of attendees which must be kept for a month to trace customers if there are cases of COVID-19. Marcel Bimbela, a spokesman for Barcelona's Pasha Night Club says the past 15 months have been a really hard struggle for the nightlife sector, which was the first to close and last to reopen. It's so amazing, we've been in quarantine for so long, it's amazing to be here finally. Yes, we're so happy and it's finally summer. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


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Mark Smith is the president and CEO of Nile Corp. Development, Slimtid. Mark, welcome to the Investor Intel Studio by Oskai. Thank you, Fred.  Well, thank you. Now, we've caught you in Colorado. And this is another story that's been on wheels in the market of recent. And I think we should just start for those that don't really know about the use of the metals for you to give us a little rundown on Niobium Titanium Scandium, please. Perfect. Let's start with Niobium, because that was really kind of the foundation of what we were looking at when we first discovered this ore body. But Niobium is an element that you add to steel production and it makes the steel much lighter, but it makes the steel much stronger. It has the added capabilities, however, of providing some very good temperature and corrosion resistance. So it has some really phenomenal applications in things like oil and gas. When you get into the deep water drilling or the fracking that everybody hears about today, Niobium based steel is really, you know, there's no substitute for that material in those applications. And it's largely because you need the strength of that steel and you need the corrosion and the temperature resistance associated with it. Interestingly enough, though, oil and gas is the second largest, I'm sorry, third largest use of Niobium in the world. The first largest use is actually in architectural buildings, bridges and road construction. And that really goes to the strength that Niobium adds to the steel. And again, makes you and I as inhabitants of buildings or as we're driving across bridges and over roads, it makes it safer for us. The agencies and governments that put a lot of the infrastructure in like to use Niobium in construction of those items because of that corrosion resistance can actually provide a much longer life with these infrastructure requirements as well. So again, number one use of Niobium is infrastructure. Number two use is actually the automobile. And this is one I actually like to talk about the most, Fred, because I think most people can really touch it and relate to it very well. When we put Niobium into the steel in an automobile, it does two things for us. One, it makes you and I safer as the owners of that automobile just in case we get into any accidents. I know that never happens for you and I, but for others. And then second of all, that Niobium makes that car a lot lighter. Only about $9 worth of Niobium in your average car can actually reduce your fuel usage by about 5%. So this has been a primary method of the automobile industry to achieve the mileage requirements that the EPA has on them, the CAFE standards as they're called, where they have to have so many miles per gallon in order to pass those tests. So those are your three primary uses, architectural and infrastructure, the oil and gas industry and automobiles. There's a whole bunch of others that are also very important, but much smaller in terms of volume. So it's a big use, about $100,000 ton per year market, two and a half to $3 billion dollar market right now. So it's significant and it's one that we certainly are excited to be involved with. Your mind, the Yelp Creek project is in Nebraska. You announced earlier this year that you've done a pre-leach test that was successful. What are the other stages of advancing this to production? Probably the best way to describe our metallurgy right now. And there's no question metallurgy has been the longest and hardest part of our project to get through. But I will also say that in my 35 years being in the business, I have never spent a dollar on metallurgy that I've regretted later. So we're going to do this right and we're going to make sure we understand what this ore is all about and how to process it. What I'm extremely happy to say right now is we know how to process our ore. And now what we're doing are the final pilot tests associated with that final process. But we know how to process our ore. We know how to get probably some of the highest recovery levels for all three of the elements that we're mining New York for. Niogandium and titanium. And we're going to be, I think, a lot happier at the end of the day even though it costs a little more money and it's taking a little longer to get through this process. It's better to know what you're doing with that ore before you build the planet as opposed to after you build the planet. These are strategic metals. The U.S. government has been the subject of a lot of writing on investor intel by various authors that we have. The importance of these strategically to the Department of Defense, for example, has been written about, could you put the Department of Defense or U.S. contracting in the context of Elk Creek, please? Well, we think the Department of Defense is going to be pretty excited about this project. There are two elements that we're producing, niogandium and scandium, which are not produced in the United States today. And to me it's kind of simple. I don't need to see a regulation or anything else from the government to tell me when something is strategic. If you're not producing it in your country, I think by definition it is strategic. So niogandium is a very good example and scandium is a very good example as well. Niogandium is produced in two countries today, Canada and Brazil. So by definition, I think niogandium is a strategic and critical element in every country in the world except Canada and Brazil. Scandium, on the other hand, is produced in two countries today, China and Russia. So by definition, I believe scandium is a critical and strategic element in every country except China and Russia. Now, those are some pretty strong words, but when you think about the importance of things like niogandium and scandium in the aerospace industry and you think about Air Force fighter jets and what not, I think the lack of having any production in the US and the importance to the United States Air Force really becomes a common sense thought at that point. That you have CMC co-medals and an off-take agreement before you're even in production suggests that they also feel that these are important. They absolutely do. And of course, CMC co-medals has a 25% off-take agreement with us for the niogandium. We also have a 50% off-take agreement with Teeson Group. So actually 75% of our niogandium is already part of off-take agreements with very substantial, very mature, very seasoned companies. And I do believe, Fred, as you just noted, I believe in it quite strongly as well, that when you get large, mature companies like that that come in at this stage of a development project and enter into enforceable off-take agreements, I think it says an awful lot about their confidence level in this project and putting it together. So I'm extremely pleased with where we stand on off-take credit. I think confidence is a good point that you make. Mark, I think that the confidence that the market has been showing in Neocorp is in large measure to your leadership. You come in as not only a great leader but also as an investor. You have skin in the game and investors love that. Well, first of all, let me say thank you for those compliments, Fred. And then I'll note that I am the single largest shareholder in Neocorp. And I hope that that sends a very strong message to the market in terms of my confidence in this project and our ability to ultimately finish the feasibility study, raise the project financing and build this project. That's where we want to go with this. I also want to say that with your nice compliments, I hope everybody understands that I have an unbelievable team of people that make me look a lot better than what I probably deserve. But this is a team effort in this company. And these are hand-selected people because of their technical competence or their experience. But they're all of the same values. We all have a very strong sense of trust and honesty with each other in this company. And it really makes life a lot better. So it's the team that makes everything happen. It's not ever one individual. Well, Mark, in closing, can you lift the sheet off a little bit and tell us what's perhaps in the future for the next couple of months? Well, what we hope to hear in the next couple of months are some final decisions by the Army Corps of Engineers in terms of navigable waters within the United States. So that's a very big decision for us. We expect that any day. We expect to finish the metallurgy process and all the pilot tests associated from the next two to three months. Next comes the feasibility study. So those are going to be those threshold items that you're going to see coming in and coming in pretty fast as we get towards the latter part of this year. We're excited about that. We have enough money in the bank to finish those things. So we're ready to get to the end line and make our investors happy. Mark, thanks so much. We look forward to an update in the near future. Thank you, Fred. Always a pleasure. Thank you.


Who was your decision, join rangers? I spoke to Daeshee at the end of the season. At that point I'd had lots of seasons where it'd been in a Premier League and it was just about staying in the league and finishing 16 for winning 10 games and drawing. I've just thought, I've got a little bit of a taste at Newcastle, at Marseit, at QPR, and now Bayl Pamwy of winning and getting promoted and Rangers made this massive play at me, first year back in Scottish Prem y ffeldyrwyd sami a Beirli Frank Mach-Partland had left halfway through the season to go and work with Mark Whabon at Rangers. And I just felt for it. Do you know what? I had Celtic kit as a kid, but I'd love to play for Real Madrid or Barcelona. I'd love to play for Dortmund or Bayern Munich. I'd love to play for Porto, Ben Fighir o Sport and Lisbon. So for me to play for Rangers or Celtic has an a rach o ffgbl, even now as a kid. A mi'r Roman Caflach, Joseph Anthony, went to Saint Agnes school in Saint Thomas o Beirchi. I got was a Celtic kit. I always got Celtic's ffeld kit, like Easter. I always ended up with a Celtic kit and they were always decent kits, umbro. You know, people's Ford and some of my mates ended up on Rangers kit, but we were always Celtic kits. So then I'd always thought I'd play, I always thought I wouldn't mind having a go with Scottish footy playing for I had a Rangers or Celtic, but I always thought I'd play for Celtic. And then, you know, as life comes at, yeah, you know, win the league at Burnley, thinking I'm going to sign a new deal, eh? And then I love Dyshie and I think I can speak about this now, but it's like it's Dyshie's money that he spends, you know what I mean? That's a good thing for a manager, but I knew what it cost to replace me. I'd done the math on it at that point. I'm 31. I've just come off probably, you know, the most consistent season I've had. Team of the year, we've won the league. I think, you know, it was a productive environment for me. I had a good working relationship with the manager. It was just what I needed. I was settled. I was living back in the North West, kids, families, great. And I spoke to him and he said at the end of the season, we'd had a pint together in a curry. And he said, listen, I, he started talking money and I don't like to talk money. I just said, look, just, just when you speak to me agent, you just sort it out. You know, you know, I don't really want to get involved in the nitty gritty. You pay me what you think's fair and I'll sign for it. So I got away thinking that's going to get done and in the middle of the next two weeks, there's again another Mexican standoff to disagreeing on figures and, and then cleverly, Frank and Rangers, the little wedge in there and go, come up, come up and look at this. So I go up to Glasgow each June.   Now, Bailey was a good club at the time, but it wasn't Glasgow Rangers. You know, the, the impressive, you know, institution of football that is Rangers and that is Celtic as well. You know, I know, I know your league's different to ours, but still incredible respect from, from the football fraternity.  I love me golf and I thought, and they were saying, it's like this every day. I don't know, so the weather forecast, the fucking, so there wasn't a cloud in the sky. They're like, it's like this every day. So I know, yeah, but I thought, you know what, I'm going to, this is a chance, it's history for Rangers. It's the first season back after the, the, the, the problems they had. And even if you're shooting Scotland and your Rangers, you're second or third. So you're going to be competing for trophies, chance of playing European football, which it was going to be difficult for me to do in England with Bailey. You were newly promoted back to the league and Bailey had in the negotiation really shown me as much love as I thought it was going to be shown. So there was a crack and Rangers stepped in it. And then I decided that that was my challenge.  Like to, to overthrow Celtic and be the first Rangers side back in the top flight and winning a title. It's a historic moment. And I thought it'd be great to be a part of like it's a real underdog story. So I've decided I'm going to do that in the middle of that. Did she get wind in it? And because he's slightly different motivation to me, he's a little bit more, more reorientated. He's then come over the top of it with a big enough for front. Bailey thinking that's the end of the Rangers one. And he expected that to be a torpedo into the Rangers transfer. And I'm like, no, no, I've decided to go to Bailey to go to Rangers. He's like, what do you mean? He's offering you more money. I'm like, I don't do this for money. Like I made one decision for money to go from Newcastle to QPR on a swore for the rest of me existence. That would be the last time I was ever ever compromised by financial compensation. And he couldn't believe it. But mine and his relationship got stronger since because he presumed like everybody or normal people are. That if someone offers you 10 grand a week more or eight grand a week more in the Premier League, you're going to stay there. But I was like, no, no, I would have stayed for that offer at the Bayer School, but now you've only offered that because a big clubs come and my my eyelids have been tamed and I really fancy this project.  So it was his first school. So we he started schooling in Bayersden in Scotland and had like a little bit of a Glaswegian accent going on. So it's not just me. You can pick up the language. It's really easy. It's in the genetics.  You can't lace my boots. What was that then getting into the park head game? So so I never I never actually said that when I went up there, obviously Rangers had been demoted to the to the bottom rung of professional. Was it league? Did he go to the third league man? So remember I leave McCoystin all that with it and they were really down in the daldrums. And as I say, I grew up watching, you know, more Celtic than Rangers. I was, you know, if Celtic played Rangers, I wanted the Celtic to win. You know, I didn't really invest in it because I'm never antonium, but I would always, you know, out of the two, you know, I see my land played into my land. I always liked into my land realm with the bar slona. I always liked bar slona. So I get a chance to go up there. Obviously Rangers is fair season back in the top flight. And he'd lost in the Scottish Cuff final to Hibs, but beating Celtic in the semi-finally, if you remember. So Ronnie Dahlia was the manager of Celtic and obviously Celtic would win in the league in the trophies, but they were in the great cycle. So when I go to Rangers, first year back for Rangers in the top flight and coincided with Brendan Rodgers taking the job. So in the midst of doing the press, I've just won the league in England in the championship. I've had the most consistent season I've had in terms of behaviour and process that blackie in my life now and that she was good influence and good group in the dressing room team of the year and I'm going up to Scotland.  You know, I'm going to. And at the time you can't go into Rangers who were first year in the finger was the mark he's signing and go on Celtic. Great isn't Scott Brown. Great.  The two can co-abituate and both can't be doing well the same time. It's just the country's just not geared on that one great and one shite and vice versa. In England, there's about nine teams that shared amongst where in Scotland the real focus is on the old fame. You know, Hibs, Hart, Aberdeen, et cetera, but Celtic and Rangers cut most of it. So if I turn up and I'm saying I'm just here to, oh, you know, I just go under the radar and that's not me as a personality and I'm also like, you know, with the greatest respect to Scott and I've managed against him. You know, he took the job Fleetwood that had been there and you know, in terms of if you're an elite level player in Scotland, you have to come south. Diolch yn fawr. Barry Ferguson, you know, Graeme Sunes, ac keep going back. No matter what, it's the same way the Welsh. They can't stay and play in the Welsh Premier League. You can't. The Irish can't stay and playing for Shamrock Rovers. Northern Irish can't stay and play for Linfield. You've got to come here the same way in the 80s, our players had to go to Italy or to Spain or to Germany because they weren't seen as the hardest challenge.  The UFC is where you need to be at and for me, the Premier League in my era of football is where you need to be at.  And you sit and look in the window at that. No one you could be in that room.  Now Barry Fakeson to be fair to him was the King of Scotland. Barry was the King of Scotland. King of Rangers, that's his club captain. And to be fair to him, we had the bollocks to come down. He didn't move to Man United or Liverpool or one of those clubs that maybe his ability was to be fitting off. He had to go and sign for Blackburn Rovers. Then he went to Birmingham City and I think he won a league cup and I think he went back north of the border. Maybe not being as good as what he thought he was going to be down here. With kind of Graham Sooner's category.  And I don't know, I just look at them lads like a Scott. I've had a pipe with Scott as I say, you know, we've laughed about what went on in Scotland and he's a good fella, he's not a bad fella. Great saving for Celtic football club. And I said to him like, I just had no respect for you.  I think you're a fanny, why not come up on UFC? I mean, that's fair enough. So that was my matter. And then when I turn up there, I'm like, I'm not coming here to take part. I'm coming here to win the title. Brendan's gone in and he smashed it to be fair. I think Brendan's a chameleon. So Brendan is brilliant, but there's a sell-by date on him. And you know, he says he's going to be here for another three years.  But again, you know, they went up there and Celtic and to be fair to them, Brownie. And I think they had some good lads there. And you don't call them a Gregory who thinks a good player. He's a good captain. The boy who went to Arsenal, Tainey, you know, the Rodgers, he had a good little and Brendan going in. I think because of what had happened with Ronnie Dahlia, I think Brendan going in had got Celtic standards raised massively. So we were going in Rangers with a championship in Scotland team. I thought it was better because it'd beaten Celtic in the semi-final. But it was probably a bad vision of Celtic under Ronnie Dahlia. Brendan had come in and standards had gone north and to be fair to him. Did he win treble, treble or something? He absolutely smashed the dead end. And I think the likes of Scott and all that, maybe their career and time at Celtic was not as professional as what it could have been under Ronnie Dahlia. And I think me signing for Rangers and coinciding with Brendan coming in, I think he put a few of them lads on notice and to be fair to Celtic, they got some good players in there and made the players the order.  What was the old fun game like for you, the atmosphere? Do you know, it was a strange one in terms of I'd been moaning at stuff in-house. You know, we've had my time again. Yeah, because standards were just poor. Like now I went up and I was a little bit behind in terms of my own fitness.   And I went up to Rangers and I had no credibility in the dressing room.  You know, when you've got your taff in years and Lee Wallace and new lads, you've been there, settle for the bit.  That's not going to work. But I'm saying that because that's not going to work in the Premier League.  It probably does. And if you're Rangers, you get away with bad habits until you face Celtic or until you face a decent side in European competition. So when I get up there and I'm criticising everything straight away, out the gate going, that's not good enough. This is not good enough. So into the adult, you don't, you get people's, you don't get people's support because you're just criticising everything.   It was a valuable life lesson. We then get into the nitty gritty of it and all the stuff that I was moaning about not being at the correct intensity and not being the correct way, you know, the way we defended our plays, the way we trained, et cetera.  But the seventh or eighth game we were playing Celtic at Celtic Park. So I've been moaning and moaning and moaning in the background anyway.   And I can't change them all.  And it's alienating me further and further from the lad to a need to effect. So we're playing the old fair and we done the team shape on Friday. I think it's a Sunday, 12, 30 kickoff. So the Friday we do the team shape. And me and Andy Halliday are playing centre mid and I think he'll crank yards in the 10 and it's four, five, one. And you know, it's a little bit more of a defensive structure. And we've got our plan and that's the manager's prerogative. And you know, then we get to the hotel. I think we're staying in my home on the satay for the game. And I always remember this James because I was sitting with Lee Wallace, Kenny Miller and the Aleday. We're all like mad rangers. The boss lads good lads love football. So I used to just take it. You know, I find it like when I was saying to you about the air and makeup. I find it funny just to wind people up, you know, just say mad things and then not say anything so they don't actually know what. So I'd say like, I just, just to noise the lads up just for the conversation at the table. I'd say, who do you think the best player in the world is? And he'd go, you know, fachan Ronaldo or Messi or fachan Adgo. And he'd all give the names and then he'd go, in the end he'd go. Who do you think it is in Adgo like Thomas Muller? And he'd go, what? I'd go fachan Thomas Muller, most goals in the world cup.  Well, better than Messi just.  Just so they're all taking the bait on it. So I always remember being in the hotel and I always remember winding Kenny Miller up that night about saying Thomas Muller's the best player in the world. He scored the most goals at the World Cup was me logic. He's got the, you know, he's more than. I was on the other argument was making was Marislav closest better than like somebody else because he scored more World Cup goals anyway.  And then from nowhere Andy Halliday has been part of it and he just goes quiet. So we're all sitting at the table just goes quiet and then get off.   So he's like then then it gets out that the manager's changed the team but he's text Andy to tell him he's not in the team for the whole thing. I sat him on a Sunday morning. So he's never done this. So I'm like, well, what the fuck's this? We're playing the biggest game of the season.  He's text him and he's gone.  But that's upset. The other lads who were quite close to him.  Anyway, sleep it off.  Warbentons like the leader and he's not the leader.  So I think he's a jarg anyway based on his training sessions and what's been done. But I've had to sit on it because I'm thinking I just keep moaning everything.  I'm just literally moaning that everything. So I'm like Victor Meldrew and I'm thinking like just. But I'm thinking a few things need to go wrong here before they finally go. Listen, you were right there. Can you fix it and other gone? Yeah, happily.  You almost have to allow it to unfold. And in football terms, I'm watching this unfold. I'm going, this is just dead. And for like, I've did not learn the lessons from the Scottish Cove final. I'd identified by the games that watched that. They had a weakness for conceding goals from set plays. They can see the two in the Scottish Cove final against Hibbs lost the game on it. And he had, I think 14 or 16 instances in the games that I'd watch where set plays were a huge problem. So I'm getting him thinking right first port of call set plays are dead easy. It's a set piece. You just get organized from the start. Don't we don't do that here. I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah, we don't do set plays here. We don't practice that place.  You lost a Scottish Cove final on them. Why? We don't do that here. That's not what we do. So that's not a good enough answer for me because I'm going.   And low and behold, you're absolutely useless at defending them. Can you not understand the correlation? Like sometimes in football, they forget that it's a repetition sport. If you keep repeating your action with personal practice, you'll improve and get better at it. From a team perspective, the more you drill stuff, the better you get at it. But Mark Warburton, who is Rangers manager at the time, managed Brentford. But whilst I was playing in the Premier League and becoming a footballer and experience in the arena and the challenge of that, he was working as a banker in the city. So, you know, I give everyone the respect and the due, but for me, I live a life of meritocracy.   Life isn't, you just treat everyone great. That's not possible. You treat people how they treat you or how they interact with the world. And if I see someone grafting and putting the working, I go above and beyond to help them.  That's the nature. So Rangers then, you've ended up leaving then. What happened to the gambling? That was at Rangers, wasn't it? So it's an interesting one, this. And I don't think I've said this publicly. So the Rangers one for me was, as I say, I've been saying stuff that was going to go wrong. Team changers, I'm in the dressing room at Celtic Park and, you know, you want to go out of the stadium like first off for him and it's hostile. It's, you know, at this time, there was still, I think we had 1500, 2000 fans in it now.  Mae, no fans now, yeah? Well, at this point, there was still a bit of a crowd in. So we're at Celtic Park and I remember doing a warm-up on that. And I said to you, I knew I was ready. Well, I'll just go back to my debut when I told you the team's naid. I turned to Fowler. Is that my name?  The hero in the coward. I'm shitting myself. Do the warm-up. I'm all over the gaff in the warm-up. It's not, you know, your touch is not quite right. Everything you're doing, you're getting away with it. But like, you know, you're just not in sync. This is the Reebok for my debut.   Can I swim here? Like this is the fucking, this is sync or swim. This is matching the day tonight. This is goals on Sunday in the morning. This is all the papers. This isn't like the reserves I hide.  Like this is everything you've worked for.  And I remember going up the tunnel after the warm-up. Nervous.  Everyone who's sacrificed for you to be here. You've done the training. You haven't cut a corner.  You haven't been in the nightclubs. If you're ever, ever going to be prepared for this, you're prepared.  And the calm has just descended on me in the tunnel. This is five to 10 to three. I just remember looking round and going, fucking, there's Robbie Father who grew up watching this. I'm like, I just remember this calmness. And I remember going out in the tunnel and just being cold, like cold clinical.  Like when you know, when the chaos is there and you're going cooler, calmer, more calculated, people usually speed up in that or. And I just remember the feeling no one could ever pay me for. Like I'm a 20 year old boy. You doesn't know what's about to come. Who's work for this moment. And just the calmness of knowing I've done the work. I'm as capable of being here as everybody because I've paid me dues. I've paid the rent. And I can't wait to get out here and perform. And as I say, I went into the first team there and I never came out and never came out. I never stayed in there till the Celtic mob grassed me up with the betting accounts, which was Paddy Power in Scotland. And then obviously got a one game ban in Scotland 18 month ban in England reduced to nine. So, so all that played out was and I come back now dressing rooms. So I'm crystal clear, calm, making me debut in the Premier League at 20. When I'm in the dressing room at Celtic Park for the old fame looking round me thinking standards, you know, not where they need to be. What you mark warb. And I'm an observer like I speak a lot, but I also watch a lot. I don't miss much of it.   I seen it three weeks before and I'm like, I should have nipped that in the bud there. I've always had this incredible ability to predict the future because I'm very observant. So sit and watching. Feel frustrated at Rangers, but I think I can change it. I'd almost left just before the deadline when he said I had to sign Lescott. I put my body in front of Lescott for the football club mainly because I knew he wasn't good enough. He'd grasped on me in the FA thing and I knew a physio would add them at West Brom and I spoke to the physio and he said his knees a dust don't sign them. And I'd relayed this up the food chain and I said to Warburton, I'm not sharing the dressing room with him.  So that was it. I'd probably get on with him fine now, but at that moment in time, that's where I was at with Jolian. So Warburton goes, I'm not have a player dictating to me who I'm signing, I'm not signing. I'm not saying I'm not saying, sign him, don't sign him. That's up to you. But if you sign him, I'm out dead street forward. Now I've been up to Scotland. I'm going to be the best player in Scotland. I'm the mark he's signing. So this was the 30th or 29th of September. The deadline is 31st. In the midst of that, Jolian daisus phoen mi and said, look, come back to barely. It's not working. Get yourself back down here. You're right back in. You shouldn't have gone like, our relationships growing stronger for the fact that I walked away and because I walked away and never took the financial is respect for me.  I'm like fair enough I'll have that. He hasn't signed for the money or been thrown by the money.  He said, he's not your type of character. You don't, and he was right. He was right on that. And I thought that was because he selfishly wanted me to stay up there and make his job easier. Do you know what I mean? And then I get up there and as I say, I'm in the dressing room. I tell to part of watch loads of things and he's walking around doing a team talk. I knew the thing that had gone on with Andy Halliday and he's in his suit and ranges.         I knew I'd said I'm going to be the best player in Scotland and now I'm getting, I'm just going to get covered in egg. And if we get beat here, I'm getting it.  This is, I'm getting me licks here and I'm going to have to take it like a man. So I've decided as we're going out, I thought it was going to be tough this game but I'm not going to get sent off. My standard is going to be sky and win, lose or draw. Everyone on this pitch is going to know and respect me after the game because all he wanted I think was for me to do something for mad and get sent off. That was the narrative. So it was like this tin the box, this powder keg was building between me and Brownie. You know, the famous thing with the Anne Sheik and that and I'd looked him in the eyes but he'd waited until we move past it looked down and he was going look he hasn't even got the bollocks look him in the eye look at level with you.  I think he's had a great career and he was a great player. There was no, there was no me and Scott Brown, you know, Rangers themselves are football club but bigger than Joey Barton and Scott Brown. This was Rangers and Celtic being back on the table nor for the border, which is for me the Scottish League for the first time because Rangers, I don't know what went on but you don't want, if you're Scottish football and you demote Rangers to the third division you ruin your own product. They ruin the game in Scotland by doing that. You know, the football clubs cooked the books. Of course they do. All our big clubs do here look at all the now you need incredible lawyers to stop you know as some of the big clubs in our country are fine. If you've got the best lawyers then you don't get any problems. Rangers at the time was a bit of a mess and it should have been about Rangers and Celtic but they wanted to make it about the protagonists in the middle of that which was me and Scott Brown. Game gets played. We're right in the game. He's got the wrong team selection. We're right in the game. We ended up losing. I think we're 2-1 down to Phil Sendross who I don't think he should have played. Phil, he wasn't fit enough and he dropped him, he fulfilled. Phil Sendross gets sent off jumps and mistimes and balls it with out of 10 men and they score 3-1 not long afterwards. I end up playing middle centre back of a back 3 with James Taverny at right side centre back and Lee Wallace left side centre back. Both can't defend for Toffey. Both fantastic going forward. Really good attack on full backs both in the defensive qualities they severely lack and I'm definitely not a middle centre back against Moussa Denbelly. So the game ends up finishing and we're right in the game at 2-1 or 3-1. They end up scoring a 4 from 5th quite late but that's our back 3.      Now the venture to put Rangers back on the top of Scott is full to begin. You've had to come up instead. So the game finishes that Sunday night all my mates are up for the old fair. They're all wanting to go out and glass go on the aisle. I'm like, am I going out anyway? Am I showing my face in public?   So they're all out and about.  Mundi were off. I'm sorry, Mundi were back in training. So I'm thinking right need to get in Mundi because the job starts here. You know that's the first game I've lost in Scotland. Only lost one game in Scotland. That was it. All the other games had one or drawn. I think only played seven or eight. I think that was the eighth game. So come in on the Mundi, thinking all right. Right. Enough's gone wrong now. Now we can get cracking. Now that we don't do that here. Exclusives got to wash because we've considered the goals and set plays in this game. So we'll come in Monday morning. Mark and Davey were notorious for like every game you played. Did have an hour and hour and 15 minutes debriefing the game.  An hour and 15 minutes. All the good and bad things that you done. That was like, you know, that's their way of coaching. So come in on the Monday morning thinking right.  But we need it because if you want to overthrow Celtic, you know, that's the team you've got to beat.  That's the first game after the semi-final where they beat them, where they thought they had the number again. Brendan's in town, not Ronnie Dahlia.  This Celtic team is under a different steam. Come in on the Monday. No meeting. All right. So there's no meeting. All right. That's weird. That's the first time that's happened. So it's almost like the biggest, biggest defeat we've had. They just pretended that it hasn't happened. Get out of the train and the holiday is not happy. Daddy has been left out the team. He came on in the game, but he came on like 20 minutes ago or something like that. So he's fuming.  Proud footballers were really angry about how their football team had performed and the scorn that comes on in that country if you lose an old fame. And training was the level I was used to in England because you'd have to train at or above match intensity. You can't train below and expect to turn on on a match day.   So we play that game and getting the trainers right on the edge.   Do you mean it was right on that edge where the best teams had trained in, the best teams had played in and been involved in knew and respected that little space.   Now was hopefully going to be gone with saying it properly and the manager Warburton didn't like it and stops the session halfway through because me and Andy are having it and he's on the opposite team and he's pissed off, he hasn't been in the team and I'm on the other team and we're going at it and there's a few players on our team who were getting dragged along in it but me and him are really going alpha leather and the managers ask us because he thinks it's going to kick off. Now me and Andy had a great working relationship, I really respect them. I think he's a great kid, cared a lot about the football club and I spent a bit of time with him away from the football arena because he's into his music and his fashion. He's a good lad. I've met him a few times in Dubai since he was Mrs. He's a cracker. So we're sad. We know it's getting tasty but there's no like it's not going to boil over. Manager stops the session and goes right lads. We're going to do shooting on the edge of the box here. So goes down and I've gone here.  So now you've got Clint Hill taking a touch on the edge of the box and having a shot someone's fizzing it out to him. They're just nonsense. I've just walked in. I just I didn't even I've walked down to the session what he was doing and I just kept walking.  This is a waste of my time and just started walking in. And if you if you if you've been the 10 grand arranger. So the staff things on the second floor. So as I'm walking in Frank Macpartland who's who's signed me is looking out the balcony and I've just gone.  So I'm getting changed.  Manager wants to see you upstairs. So I'm like, why? He's gone. He's not happy the way you've spoken and the way you spoke to other players and he wants an apology off you. He wants to see you upstairs in his office now. So I'm like, I respect Davey because Davey played for Evan under mwys. You know, so I respected Davey's career and he's a good fella Davey. I went Davey listen. I need to go home here.  And he's gone, no, no, he wants to see you. I'm like, no problem. So at this point, I've had enough. I'm checking out like in the side. I can't play for this country. I can't play for this manager. He's not for me. So go upstairs. This is as I say, the Monday or the Tuesday after the thing go upstairs and go in. So it's me, Davey and warbs in the office and he goes, yeah, sit down. So I'm sitting across the table. He goes, I think you need to apologise to the players. So I'm like, what for? The way you spoke, the way you spoke to people in recent weeks, the way you think it's not acceptable. I said, well, look, I'm not going to apologise to the other players. Well, I think you should. Well, Mark, I've just told you I'm not going to do that. So are you going to force me to do it? He's gone, no, I'm going, well, it's not happening then. I don't think I should apologise. I'm trying to raise standards. I want the teams to be better. I've come here to win leagues. I'm the only person here who would think of playing a Premier League today. There's no one else in this team. And there's no one you could coach in the Prem. Otherwise you'd be there. I've given up playing in the Prem to come and help Rangers get back to the top and all of seniors. And that's it. Then I've opened up subpar standards and I said to him, look Mark with the greatest respect here. I've been doing this since I've been consciously away.  And with the greatest respect here, I've probably forgotten more about football than you're ever likely to know. Like this is my vocation. This is what I do, professional football. So when I'm telling you to do stuff that I know works in the Premier League environment and you're turning round saying to me, we don't do that here.    And the reason that's happening is because you're turning habits and the way you set your teams up is ineffective and inefficient.  I can't register for another club until the first of January. So I'm trapped here. Do I want to play for you?  But I'm here. So how do you want this to play out? I've just joined Loch Lomond.  But I've come here to be a success and we're now incompatible. He says a few things back. I ended up getting after them a bit more.  Warbs just put his hands in his head and just stuck his hands on the table because I gave it to him that tight and he had nowhere to go. And to be fair to Davey and I'll always respect Davey off the back of it.   Because Warbs is getting it tight for not having a career.  So I'll have gone online and I've looked on your ma's Facebook accounts.  So Davey pipes up.  What career have you had?   I said, you didn't even come through the system. I said, you went out to America and collegiate football and then back door. And you didn't come to get to England till you were 28. I said, and then if you remember where you turned up, Evan, I'm an Evertonian. He's played 5-4-4-1.  So don't talk about playing central midfield. Central midfielders, as you know, think we're the best players because we have to have 360 degree view of the football pitch where for me goalkeepers are last picking school. Changed a bit in the modern era. Defenders are limited midfielders who actually can't...    But center mids after, do everything. Forward's then at the flash. Flash areas, quick score loads of goals, get all the money, get all the beds. Wingers are not good enough to score goals and players forward and not brave enough to play center mid. And a little bit more skillful in the fullback. So football for me is a dead simple game. It's the same as the school playground. So me and Davey are having it. And as I say, we have a bit of a ding dong. He comes over the top. And as I say, I've got enormous respect for Davey.  I know there's no way I can take back that stuff. And what I'm saying is quite personal to him. And I know I can just feel when you see a bridge just getting bans in front of you. So I'm like, but there's no way I can continue. This relationship is now untenable. So I leave the training ground that day. And I'm thinking, all right, me and the manager have had a full ding dong. He knows what I'm thinking.  By the way, they give it to me as well. You know, we've had a war of words. But where I'm from, my culture, that's a cleaning. That's a cleansing. That's a right. We move on now. We move past this. There's no grudges. You're like, men and men. We've had our words and we move forward. And I come out of that. And he suspends me. All right. So he suspends me from the training ground war but for four days while there's a club investigation based on what I've said in this office. So Richard Goff and a few senior people in the club, John Gregg. So I just tell them what I said. I said, this is what I've said. I just thought, this is exactly what I've said. So you can see them going.  So I've just owned up to it. Then they get a phone call on the Friday or Saturday to say and it's Warbett phones my agent and says, listen, you're not going to believe this in the midst of me suspending them from the club. And there's going on. The Scottish have a have contacted us and we've had our allegations. He's got a betting account and they need to investigate it. So Warbs then in the midst of me being offered the suspension phones me on this.  So as it turns out, we played Celtic, lost five one Celtic. If you remember played on the Wednesday or Tuesday night in the camp new against Barcelona.  Even though they beat us, the game was quite close. The send enough massively changed it and we were massively underprepared and it wasn't much in the game. They were better than us. Know that they were the head of us, but there wasn't loads in it. There wasn't certainly as much as what people felt. Then they were playing Barcelona. So I've gone to all my mates. Listen, this Celtic team is bang average. They're not as good as what they are. Cos once I've had a scrap with you or played against you, I'm very good at nullifying you the next time now. Cos I go, all right, that's what he's good at. Right, don't do that. Quite scheming in that way and play the game and go, all right, Celtic are the head of us, but it's not insurmountable. We'll get to them, but there's loads of work to be done anyway. I realized Monday, Tuesday with warps. It's not happening. Then I get the phone call Friday. I think it was that this betting thing. Unbi known to me, me being me.  They're playing Barcelona. I said they'll get pumped. So you had the over two and half over three and half over four and half over five and a half goals on the best paddy power markets. So I've said lump, lump Celtic to get pumped by Barca. Anyway, I think Celtic beat Barca beat them 7-0 or 7-1 in the Camp Nou. And obviously I had the bet on Barca on all the overgoals and told all my mates to. They didn't mind this was paddy power who had had a working relationship with paddy power for years where I'd been paid in betting account tokens and to, you know, to do stuff for them, speaking for them. You know, me and paddy power was the rainbow leases campaign. Me, Stonewall and paddy power started that. And obviously it's been picked up by the Premier League now. So I've had these bets on Celtic paddy power. And when I think back to it, I tell them a bit of a conspiracy theorist there. But before I signed for Rangers or after just after I signed for Rangers, I played in the BMW at Wentworth PGI and I got sat on the table with David Desmond and J.P. who I think were the major Celtic men. And they were feeling me out in terms of, you know, if he was this cocky little cunt who'd be fucking, so I end up sitting with them. And then I go to Rangers. I have this bet. And I've had this bet in account for, say, eight years. And there's a whistleblower in paddy power who's Celtic fan.  Like, who doesn't have a 40 coupon? It's not like we were fixing games. You know, we're having a 40 coupon. Like just seeing the lad there tonight, like, you know, I grew up in a betting shop betting on horses and Rangers will be Celtic, or Manuel will be Liverpool, or Evan will be, you know, a coupon for me was what a saddy afternoon's 40 was about getting up.  Your granddad would come in with the mirror, mirror reader. And he'd have a couple of betting slips and he'd be writing his horses out. And his 40 coupon.  Or, you know, the pools it was. And you're checking in on tele-text, you know. Do you ever remember the one used to have, like, a stamp and stamp? The pools? Yeah, well, that's the ball. The pool, yeah.  Well, that was more to raise money when they all spot the ball and you peeled it off. So I grew up in all of that. But as I say, you know, pigeon toss at school, you know, I wasn't really into cards. I wasn't really a card player. Never, like, played cards on the coaches and all that. But a game of Ed Tennis for a ffiver, a game of Table Tennis for a ffiver, a game of FIFA for a ffiver. Like, if I play anything with you, I have to compete. There has to be a bet on it. So I play golf for a ffiver. I play at the same intensity I would in a play-off final. I swear, like, I swear, like, I'm trying to win as much as I would be trying to win a play-off final if I'm playing for a ffiver or a tenner on a Saturday or a Sunday on a golf course because I just love competing. And it's not about the money. It's more about the challenge of whatever the discipline is. You're doing it in when it's snooker, pool, golf, tennis, ffuckan. Love all sports, but specifically football. And I've owned and had lots of interest in resources. And in the resource world, I could bet on my horses to win. I couldn't bet on my horses to lose. I could also bet on horses that I had information. I had my mates with jochis and ride and more trainers and new. But I couldn't back my horse to lose in the race, which is make sense. So you don't win in football. We went from an era where we could bet on everything when I first started. When I first opened my best fair, Paddy Power Accounts, you can bet on anything. And then they went, right, you can't bet on matches in your league. Now you can't bet on matches if you're in the cup and that's even if you've been knocked out. Then you can't bet on anything. So the regulation was slowly ratcheted up over the course of my career. But I just kept having a coupon in the background. You know, I've got a five team accumulator on a Saturday in France, Italy, Germany. What the fuck's I got to do me? I'm playing in Ffuckan England. And it had been unchecked. And I knew all lads in the dressing room. Everyone was at it. So, and then everyone's getting sponsored by gambling things. We're all getting money off gambling. They used to come to us, everything you off and say, here's £1,000 bet on tokens if you open an account with us or there's five. You know, so it's like, it's not like we're taking performance and answering drugs or like they frown upon it, but they're not really going to banners for having a 40 coupon.  The fucking, you know, Tenali's going to miss a year's 40.   I got 18 months. I got one match in Scotland. They banned me to Scottish FF, we're great. And the Scottish FF because I left Rangers after it. Never, ever thought I was going to go back to Ramdon and turn up for the, for the investigation.  I turned up mainly because I give them the Q-dots.  I'm never going back there. I turned up and went, you know, fair cop. I have had the betting account. I explained it to them and they give me one match. I went to England and, you know, I'm Jesse James and I in the FA's eyes. Even though I'm a proud Englishman who wants England to do well, you know, the FA for whatever reason want me out the game. They want me out. Cyan died if they could. They'd get rid of me because I say things that they don't necessarily like hearing. You know, so when they banned me for the gambling, I wrote an article with Gopalaman, Alice the Campbell and took a bit of advice off a few people who know who were creative. And I wrote an article which forced the FA to relinquish the, as they were banning me for 18 months, they had a £12 million a season sponsorship for the England team with lad Brooks.  Like how can you be so draconian in one hand and yet user in bed with betting companies and you got all, I'm like, it makes no sense. If gambling's no good for everybody and we're not allowed to bet, otherwise your banners for that long will stop everybody, stop the kiosk being at a football stadium, stop the advertisement and. But like fair enough, I'm taking performance and answering drugs. You know, I failed the Nandrolone or an anabolic steroid test I get. Listen, get them out the game.   What was it like retiring? I didn't really retire, did I? So I got banned for that 18 months. So in the midst of what was it like in Scotland, sign for Bailey, went back to Bailey, trained with Bailey in November, December, played again for Bailey, first game back, I scored against Southampton. Was this after the ban? No, I didn't get. I got banned in Scotland for the game, but I don't need lands in Scotland. Or so you could stop the investigation. I come back to England, play as I'm playing. I have to face it in about the, and it's going, it's getting protected. It's dragging on in about the April. I've got to go down to the FA. I've got to go down to a full day there. I think that's my last game, the game before, as it was, the FA have put off the hearing. So I can manage to play on the Sunday against Man United, so play against Man United. I think we lose 2-1. I should have took Anthony Marsh out. He broke on the corner and I thought I'll get to him. I could have whipped him up and took a yellow card, but I thought I'll catch him.    He ends up breaking, passes to Rooney and Rooney scores. We ended up losing the game 2-0. And in the midst of that, the FA come back. I thought I was going to get six months, three months. You know, I've had a 40 coupon. They're like 5s and 10s. It's nonsense.   They knew it was allowed to have a 40 coupon. Me 10,040 bets or whatever were mixed in with 10,010 bets. Formula one, because I'm an avid sports fan. I'm a footballer with a disposable income. I've finished work at half two. I'm coming in. I love my horse racing. I love my tennis. I love my golf. I love my sport. I'm single. I'm sitting on the couch and I go, I'm going to have a 50 quid on that horse. I've got a new talk to say. I'm going to have a 50 quid on lead to be Castleford in the rugby lead tonight. Not for any other reason. I'm just watching sports anyway. And I'd rather have a bit of vested interest on it. They had all my accounts. I gave them every account they had. Pros, tallies, pros and cons. I think I'd lost about over me 12 year, 14 year cycle or whatever. I think I was down 15 grand. You know, with put say 400 grand's worth of bets on. I was 15 grand down. So I hadn't even like, it's just a lad off on a punt. You know, casual better.  And I'm 33. That was like a death blow for me. Do you know what they were doing on appeal? It was reduced to nine because no banner. They never, they were outside the president. Since I've been a manager, they've, they tried to get, they've, you know, with the Stendall incident, they've, they've helped the police in investigations, which the FA should never be doing. They've hacked our computers when we were at Fleetwood, decided accusers of being racist on a couple of occasions. So there's this thing in the FA that wants me out the game, which is fine. And I may well be out the game. What they don't understand is I'm way more dangerous to them out the game than they are many.


Top 30, under 30, the whole initiative from last 3-4 years has become very interesting. It's a fantastic initiative started by Exchange for Media. I think well done guys, because this is one platform where there's a lot of encouragement, a lot of that people get at least the future leaders, young leaders. So in terms of the initiative it's fantastic and has done well in the last 3-4 years. At least I have been seeing from last 2 years actually. And this year I have been part of the jury. I have seen the inside of what actually works and what goes into making all these choices and all that. Fantastic process in terms of the jury, in terms of the selection and 2-3 observations. Very exhaustive jury process which have been going from last 2-3 weeks and all that. So full proof process in that sense. I quite liked it, very interesting. And second is the kind of talent we got, the kind of future leaders who have been scanning through actually. Never realized that there's so much of potential, so much of leadership qualities people have and so much of body of work people have done at such young age. So congrats guys, I think it's definitely an eye-opener for all of us and for the jury. That's what we were discussing actually. And what the parameters we have set when we started the screening is very interesting. That is a simple thing like would I hire those people? Immediately it's up to you, the responsibility builds up on you that will you do it or not. So fantastic, enjoy the process. Well done and congrats.


My name's Preston Botanga. I'm 15 years old and I do Lego animations. What drew me in first was the fact that my dad used it for medical businesses stuff. Like he designed machines that were made to treat cancer. I saw him using it and then I figured out that it could be used for like animation and movies and stuff. I was like instantly hooked. I really liked that 42 tips for animation reference talk and that was a really good one, that was my favorite. Another one I liked was the ins and outs of making impossible models. Making games with geometry nodes. I didn't know like you can do that at all. That was really cool.


Rogue's Gallery Rogue's Gallery came to the mutual network on September 27, 1945, with Dick Powell portraying Richard Rogue, a private detective who invariably ended up getting knocked out each week and spending his dream time in a cervic conversation with his subconscious self, Eugor. Rogue's Gallery was, in a sense, Dick Powell's rehearsal for Richard Diamond. Powell played private detective Richard Rogue, who trailed luscious blondes, protected witnesses, and did whatever else detectives do to make a living. It was a good series, though not destined to make much of a mark. Under the capable direction of D. Engelbach, and accompanied by the music of Leith Stevens, Powell floated through his lines with the help of such competence as Lou Merrill, Gerald Moore, Gloria Blondell, Tony Barrett, and Loreen Tuttle. Peter Leeds played Rogue's friend Eugor, an obscure play on names with Eugor spelling Rogue backwards. The gimmick in Rogue's Gallery was the presence of an alter-ego, Eugor, who arrived in the middle of the show to give Rogue enough information for his final deduction. Eugor was a state of mind achieved when Rogue was knocked unconscious. Eugor would appear cackling like the host of Hermit's Cave, and imparted some vital information the hero had overlooked. Rogue would then awaken with a vague idea of what to do next. In later incarnations of the series, different actors portrayed Rogue, but Richard Powell was the most popular. This series preceded Richard Powell's most famous series, Richard Diamond. Rogue trailed lovely blondes and protected witnesses in the new tough guy persona of Dick Powell. This was the transition series for Powell in his quest to be recognized as an actor rather than a singer. It had some of the same cute elements that would make Richard Diamond a high spot four years later. During the summer of 1946 the show was billed as Bandwagon Mysteries. In the summer of 1947 it was revived on NBC with Barry Sullivan in the title role. In 1950 the character again turned up in a two year sustainer on ABC with Chester Morris playing the lead. Chester Morris was the original Boston Blackie. Information for this audio clip came from your audio series descriptions moderator, Roger Hoenbrink. This audio clip is provided by the Old Time Radio Researchers Group, a group of volunteers dedicated to preserving radio's past. I'm your announcer Doug Hopkinson.


I don't know. Here. Ready? Ready? Where's the crosswind on the floor? I don't know the feeling.  Hey dad, you're doing great.  Hey dad, you're doing great.