y goodness gracious. Well, I think I can send you this one. You think it's smaller with your goo or Or can you just make it smaller? Or alternatively you can just check twitter because I tweeted it out. Oh my goodness hour ago.  I have no idea. I don't think uh, he said that there wasn't really any reason it was I then uh No, I know I just think it's how I look fat for you little doughnut Delicious, and then uh, there was just one where it was just me in the halo universe with microtransactions all around me to Like vehicle paints and colors Um Because it costs so much money to get some colors There we are. I was just trying to find one that was Sorry, I was trying google images first and that was a mistake. I should have gone straight to youtube, but I think the point will have been made Pretty clearly.  Am I right? Oh Oh, no, what are you doing? You're not going to know what I think you're going to show you Look at this horrific use of blue slash green screen. I'm not sure what movie this is Oh Oh, no, but mauler you can't you can't do this Well, so the interesting thing is that I guarantee you high top will be like well to be fair That's a special effect shot.  Why do you think there are blue screens?  There is it's okay. Don't worry. It'll be fine. It's a technique Yeah, um And so I don't know like if it feels super weird to just pick this for tom holland as you guys can see and just Be like bad. You're like, oh I don't even know the context of this this shot like I don't even know what that was required or what was needed But yeah, I can see a lot of reason for why they would have filmed this this way, but no bad like, oh Okay They broke the head and I ain't blurred. It's very true Also, there's that freaky out. Let's have a look here.  I don't know like What's what who died? Yeah There is isolated in front of a green screen interacting with nothing edited together with another fantastic actor Probably shot weeks months later reacting isolate. So that could be the case That could be the case But you have to prove that that system does not work And like I said that when plinkett did it with how uh, obi-wan doesn't react at all to a bunch of lightsabers flinging around in his face Like yeah, that's a great example Well, but the thing is if you have a conversation between myself and rags and recorded three months apart, but you could never tell Then Well, I mean as long as you're as immersed does it matter Yeah, exactly When you watch the simpsons and you know that all of these lines were recorded in isolation Like does that screw things up for you? There's a thing I would prefer that they're on set together But sometimes you can't pull that off and so now it's about like making sure that you nail it And if they do This is a part of the talent of acting and directing that you can do these sorts of things and the audience wouldn't ever know I wonder how many of those things you'd never know if you didn't go looking for it Or if someone hadn't shown you think about reshoots Imagine they they figured out when they finished by the man too that they were like, oh tobi You flubbed this line this line. This one doesn't work. This one doesn't work Uh, we're not getting everyone back to do all those scenes. We're just gonna record you You know on your own doing them. I would high top die. Would you be like this is the worst thing that's ever happened in my life? You don't know how to make films this way It did in front of a separate green screen This has been the marvel method for a good bit, but it's never felt so noticeable to me the spatial continuity I didn't I didn't really feel it black widow Are you really telling me when you watch Black Widow The end of the film black widow. Yeah Like do you really believe are you telling me that there was in this film when you saw that you're like, you know That reminds me it's actually worse than when yelena and nat exactly We yelling at each other on this very loud like this place that they clearly are not in Absolutely. Yeah, like This is not worse than black widow. Come on. No Visual rhythm has never felt so off to me No way home clearly needed a few more months in the oven because the half No, I was actually impressed by how much it seems CGI pretty so I would agree that that But but more time would help like a lot of films in terms of every every film like basically every film if you said Yeah, oh, you're ready. You're oh, here's a couple extra months to just polish Just go through look through again As long as we don't get a black panther shot where they're fighting each other as though they're from earlier than 2000 I think yeah, I con him That's actually a good example black panthers visual effects, man.  This was one where for a moment when I was watching it I was like, oh, yeah, he's on a green screen. Yeah, but in my own head. I'm like, well, of course.   I just don't get his pov.  We're gonna be fine by using a couple shots. I didn't I didn't even know it was recycled footage I you probably would have I did was the sandman. Um, yeah sandman. I was like, I'm pretty sure I've seen that shot before But that's yeah, it's okay. Um, I see now, you know, like I can see it now But yeah, I just didn't notice at the time. I hadn't seen that movie in a while Again, so if I make this video, it'll be okay Spider-man just to provide satisfying emotional closure to two of your lead villains It might be to say that like I feel like you're bumping them up a little higher than they probably should be when we've got so much going on They are the lowest of the of the five Well, so if you were to tear them, it would be dark arc then green goblin Oh, well, you could kind of put if they're villains green goblin's not like green goblins at the top Uh, and then electrocid with those two is four and five. If anything sandman four lizard five.  You're like dude Dude five villains come on now And how come you don't say this about venom in spider-man three? Well, how come we're not acknowledging that they juggled five way better than ramy juggled three?  Yeah, let's do it. So fringy. Do you want to do it or should I explain visual rhythm? Because rags clues When it comes to visual rhythm or let's just say legitimate tactile responses to any kind of engagement Cinematically what you need to understand is that language through cinema is complicated And uh through the visual medium you can actually portray a lot of what is essentially like flow So, okay, there you go Okay, I all right. I think I all right. I think we're on the same wavelength here in terms of artistry of the System hopefully chat understand that as well because I think a lot of them definitely I think I feel yeah, all right to two of your lead villains It might be time to delay the movie what i'm trying to say really is that I wish It's kind of funny now actually That's just That shot I just need that shot right there for that. Okay, it's just it's so important It's weird when I Because when I make a video or when you make a video we're like, okay visuals are very important So what we're showing should have like a purpose It should mean something it should have some relevance to what i'm saying So I guess if I said the word I I should show me, right? Or maybe an eye But not yeah, two eyes Oh my goodness gracious We're only half way I know it's taking a lot longer than movie Bob, but that's it's okay Okay Villains it might be time to delay the movie what i'm trying to say really is that I wish I could Well, we just we just hit the seven minute point. So movie Bob's video is just ending right now Plus we had to add to this one. Yeah, that's true We got Kylo Ren. That's right. You'd hear more of John Watts voice as a filmmaker as an artist His visual touches in this film the wonders the trackers the rarer violence are more predominantly rower rower Rower he did mean roar, right? More raw. I guess I guess yeah, I guess he meant more raw and he said rar R R A W R rar less than three You will Ruzzles your melch Artist his visual touches in this film the wonders the trackers the rarer violence are more predominant But he's doing wrong caught up rar So we just established quite a few little touches that have to come from his vision But then we're just like, yeah, but you know, no, no, no Too much green screen.  There's no what and how do you not apply this to the other films? He's just saying would he say this about eternals? For instance that that one was confined and caged by the marvel considering that and what does it do when Chloe Zhao says no It's my movie. It's not the mcu's. Well, which he said several times that she had a lot of what do you do High-time what you wanted you seem to be so short and then what are you doing like Zhong Qi what do you do with that one is that one so confident on these Seemingly random assertions. It's like the seven people on the camera and John is trying to muscle his way to it It's like they're all the mcu people. They just they're just like yeah.  I'll have you go home I'll finish this movie Flatly with medium shots a spider-man film has never felt so visually texturless to me Visually texturless to you you're just saying I don't want to say Hey, look at his jacket. Yeah, this texture so aesthetically lifeless with no How is this life list aesthetically?  All opposite of what you just said. Oh, maybe if it was a puppet it would have more life Come on.  You're desperately hanging on to I don't understand Jebility to me the visual styling gets in the way of the story and storytelling too many And that part is fucking awesome, but okay, so if you this boring shot of him Just sitting there in front of some papers Well, why don't you show the cool shot of the wow you can't because it's not available But the three spider-men speaking around You almost want to take the video and just flip the keywords where you need them with the best impressionist ever And then just have all the the bland visuals of the raving movies and all the best shots from the mcu ones Yeah, if we're just going to be that uncharitable Yeah Show up they make their grand return to beloved spider-men icons You will never get to experience that feeling again neither will I and that experience. He said I and he showed him. That's art I saw it off everyone I saw it Look at that woman on the right.  It is great the collective love like no other But that experience will always have been filmed in how bland those crowds are compared And fuck it He loves he loves them coming back, but it will always been filmed in the boring way that john watts films I'm shocked edited for applause and edited for applause Explained yeah, please explain as though movies don't get built in a way that have climaxes Like please tell me how ramy has never done that.  What the fuck's wrong with that? What's wrong with that with Ned's grandma's house. Oh my god He's a friendly neighborhood.  It summarizes exactly. What kind of person he is. He's just your normal How awkward is it though?   Yeah Yeah, forget about it. Yeah, I'm walking in you mess with one new york. You mess with all of us Okay, look this spider-man look at him go. That's what he was. You know what he would want the guy to go It's ramy spider-man I sure do love ramy spider-man. Yeah, that's the best spider-man ever did. Yeah, I love it webs come out of his body I want him just once I want him to take a scene Explain what is wrong with it? Why it's wrong and what he would do to improve it And don't refer to any other scenes you have to explain why this scene this specific scene is bad At no reference to anything else in the film It's like you have to relevant right basically Do you know in the boondocks when the guy's possessed and uncle ruckus comes in and makes him read? I haven't seen it. You know that no I'm trying to leave out the the horrific racist bits that are really funny But for those of you in chat who know the scene i'm talking about that's like That's high top would be Tied to the bed and he's the evil spirit and you're just like making him try to To do that and he's like, ah, no never and objects are just flying around the room Just do a little bit of like video criticism. No Sounds like Palpatine. No All of you in chat Isn't it just great the this has been pointed out by people before but I feel like we did as well just the Spider-man didn't but heads. They just walked and respected each other's efforts and existence and stuff And they weren't welcomed in with applause or shock or a huge audience as they Clap lightning and thunder as they land again not knocking thaws entrances and stuff But that's just that's how you thought this was the first one comes in This little old lady is screaming and throwing things at him. He's like stop. Stop. It's just like It's so like cute wholesome and small and the second one comes in and dad's like, who's this guy? Uh, I love it. It's so subtle compared to how you would expect them to do superhero entrances But no you get punished for that now Yeah, they should have It needs to be in the oval office or maybe during the super bowl right on the 50 yard line That's that's the middle. Why wasn't in space? It should have been in the middle of the live the large hadron collider during a live experiment it should have been I maybe battle of the psalm perhaps. I don't know something maybe during the olympics Uh, my michael phelps was about to win his 78th gold medal or whatever he's up to right before he gets to the finish wall Um, he just he falls into the water. Oh my goodness gracious. It's spider man. He can swim I think There's back and I just wish that that resurrection that once in a lifetime moment was a tad more awe inspiring spider man swinging has never felt so lifeless Literally used to puppet you literally used to puppet You gotta stop You stop that right now puppet Well, so so like let's be real here Like the web swinging in in the ramy films like a lot of the time it'd be super majestic and cool and I like it But you compare it to like the more realistic swinging that you see in the tazen films or I guess like kind of going for a similar thing in like the mcu ones, but it's just you've got better tech now It's like I don't I don't want to say like It's I mean the triple spider man swing was fucking awesome. Yeah I'm guessing he hated that too Soaring together will always get a massive applause even if it looks like murky unfinished pre-vis with less Come on. You can't honestly say this about This web swinging in this movie but then talk about how awesome it is in the old ones It looks so good. It looked good. I'm sorry. I don't want to say it. Yeah Also, we've spent more than half the video now just Strictly talking about how it looks You'd think he'd want to talk about the character work. He talked about the yeah I'll clarity and punch them what mark webb did in 2012 and what sam ramie did in 2000 Yeah, but what john warts did doesn't even count rakes. It's the studio. His voice isn't in there Yeah, I don't know why you're not. I don't even know why you're saying I I again it feels real awkward like did you not sit far from home the ending little web swing in new york?   It's weighty We got a lot of movement a lot of variety in terms of what he's doing. He's then starts flying around. It's great To know it sounds like I hate this film.  Yeah, it's really good. Yeah I promise you that spider-man no way home is my favorite of the watch trilogy. It's my favorite Oh, yeah, there's ramy stuff in it. I wasn't we could have figured that The mcu has done with the character since 2016 and it's the first time that tom haulins peter parker has really felt like spider-man to me Whatever, okay, because it's an origin story. Yeah We Thousand times don't say just all right then there's a moment that big moment when the tone took that massive switch When the mcu ism started taking a backseat being restrained I don't even know what it means when people say every time someone says something like that the mcu tone or the mcu ism I just want to say hold on What do you mean?  So when they do well, is it not mcu anymore? um I can always guess what they're talking about but um and i'm assuming in this case he's referring to um changing changing tone Even though he just said the tonal switch as if to imply that's a good thing even though let's be honest um The scene begins at the spider sense and then it just goes down and darker and more serious and raw until we get Unmai dying There was no tonal shifts in homecoming though Not like when vulture found out who he was and it was entirely serious and there were no jokes at all No, this is the first time they've done that in no way home actually far from home when he's on the plane with happy And it's just entirely like tonally just we we're not doing jokes right now So like we have those moments. You just don't remember them. They don't do jokes They I don't think they've ever done a joke in any of these films like in the fight with the bad guy when he beats them Like it's entirely played totally straight and serious every time When he fights vulture, it's played straight when he fights Mysterio right at the end it's played straight and when he's fighting goblin, it's totally played straight Conversely in captain marvel, they don't play it straight when she's going to fight jude law gets punted across the screen being like That big moment when the tone took that massive switch when the mcu isms started taking a back seat being Restrained to dr. Strange's prison.  So that so what happens when there's like when we see bruce cambal And he's making jokes in the ramy films.  It's great. It is great though That's it's gold But it it always feels like it only is because it's not the mcu to him No, like that's it. Yes, that is it That's it. He's because it's the mcu finally allowed genuine emotion.   It feels like it's engineered. It was it's like I've been waiting for uncle band. This is good enough This is real emotion now.  He said it was like one of the best things to see the mcu Even though that is like he's a crazy weird out Absolutely peaks ludge. You're right. Yeah. Um, he Didn't I don't know what he thought of black widow. He loved Wonder Woman 84 doesn't really count I guess because I can believe that he loves Wonder Woman Yeah, because it's a creative vision and then all you have to say about the suicide squad was that it was alive Oh, yeah, he because he didn't like it. Yeah, but he didn't want to say that to his audience. He's like it's alive Yeah Alive And that transition happened as soon as they allowed peter parker to Hi, you ask us like what what what were your problems with or were your problems with suicide squad? What were your problems with book above effect? What are your problems with this film that film and our answers will always be the same Uh, the characters are inconsistent. They don't behave as they should the plot doesn't make any sense Uh, it's all it's always this the same stuff you hear from us because we're consistent with it And with him, it's just like I don't you did you like it? Did he not like it?  This is better than the other two in the mcu. It's like well because they let peter feel real emotions like yeah I agree. You know you do yes, absolutely Can you explain why you feel that way? Why can't you just let me like things? Maybe you need to think harder about what the thing you think is because that sounds like a placeholder that you've just agreed That is true. You haven't thought about it at all And movie and that transition happened as soon as they allowed peter parker to feel Allowed us to witness to empathize with loss with wrong. He's never lost anything before in the He's never felt anything genuine He's never really felt you know He's always been kind of robotic Tom Holland especially just as an actor. You know, he just doesn't really emote anything I completely agree far from home was revolutionary If he says it, it's true. This is what I mean about the whole like When you got annoyed that jay responded to him because he was like wow I can have my opinion. You can have yours and jay was trying to explain It's like the things you say some of the things you say are false Mm-hmm. Like what what are we to do about that?  It's not true You told the non-truth and you said it's your opinion. Well, yeah, you can be wrong That's where you have to get on the ground floor Opinions can be wrong. The sun is beautiful.  Let's carry on Yeah, if someone just came away saying I thought he was out of character and you're like why it's like, um, I'm just Killing the green goblin was fucked up. He didn't kill a green goblin.  Yeah, because I cared about it No way home tries and almost succeeds at making her what she always should have been peter's moral compass so now But like when he says almost succeeds what was missing From this film. How do we it says she was more fleshed out than uncle ben Oh You sir are pushing it, all right You're gonna get cancelled The only problem there is that for the last two movies for the last five years This aunt may has been relegated to the cool chill hot mom summer thing It's a cool. So if you ignore all the meaningful scenes where she talks to peter about his responsibility So I don't know.     We're good. We hit the target. All right moving on It's emotional Yeah Of her shocking death. I just wish this was planned wish this was thought out mo- When you say I wish this was planned what exactly do you mean what john what said to you? Yeah, it was well as far as I knew they always plan to kill somebody that was meaningful to peter in no way home They just weren't exactly sure who would do it which is the kind of planning. I prefer Because your story Will dictate a certain few things by the time you get to that payoff And so you have to see what fits with the story the most Because I think we speculate like it could have been that mj gets a fake out death But then ned's the one that actually dies could be aunt may like we said that Yeah, it could be happy. Yeah, absolutely Movies ago because then maybe may parker would have always held the emotional weight Always have been the quintessential strong selfless mother that are comic Are not Just because you weren't paying attention to him doesn't mean that yeah, it was bad Yeah counter part that her other film renditions have always been But is that this film's fault for trying to rectify the previous not a rectifying spilling on it. No, sorry Get to break it to you. I'm not sure. I really don't know. I do know that was necessary Yeah, that after that moment. I started to feel a lot. I started to become invested in this peter's journey Maybe it was the inclusion. Maybe it was all out of the plan to surprise Maybe it was because it was working Let's be honest. Maybe it was just because you were like that was uncle ben death scene.  He's like that's uncle blood. Yes We did it Had to be uncle death Journey maybe it was the inclusion of the other spider men the surprise everyone saw coming But the love I was not expecting Andrew saving mj. Toby leaping in front of norman's glider all wonderful cathartic character moments for two spider men that have been trying to stop Those inevitable that was not a good cut my friend. Yeah, that feels That was really you want you want that one being played silently not not with the third it it's almost comedic Is hard not it's like because you know you wanted to make it work, but you see that again Those inevitable hateful tragedies from ever occurring. They couldn't in their universes They couldn't and will never be able to go back and stop the loss. They have experienced That's a great screen by the way You know that would happen, you know for a fact you'd say well that's on a green screen He'd be like, yeah, they're not gonna film up there. That's dangerous But they are gonna film on the statue of liberty Come on help me out Maybe to quote andrew garfield's always gut punching vulnerable peter parker They can stop tom's peter from ending up like them, but that's the thing right? That's what the movie is saying right that in order to be spider man truly be spider man You must experience life altering unforgettable earth shattering heartbreak.  Well, any that's really recovered You know, what if you went to hospital and came out of it? Okay eventually like I don't This is such a weird way to look at characterization Like you have to experience a major loss to be spider man This is so interesting though because it clashes with that overly sarcastic fridgeing thing, right? She'd be like well gwen stacey was fridgeed. She died to propel peter forward Uncle ben was fridgeed and that's bad writing. Well, they can fight all they want It's just funny because there is conflicting schools of thought right where you've got these guys Where it's like no people need to die to propel our main character where other people say that's a lazy way to do it People die to propel character for that's lazy. You can find better ways to do it. It's just interesting that these clash Um so fascinating that there are so many ways to gain like it's like it's not the death right high top It's what they gain from that what they learn from that and he's like, yeah Blah blah blah blah and it's like do you think there's any other way they can learn that or is it only through a family member? They love dearly dying Because how do you learn things in life?  I doubt it right like you learn things just from experiences that you have in life Like I feel like it's a thing you understand like I I was about to stop myself there, but I feel like it's true right most stories don't like feature people dying like most stories Don't do that Probably so you're saying most stories are bad well The problem is i'm trying to think it's like because because you think about like action movies and things like that's like A lot of those films have deaths, but if you think about like romantic comedies a lot of them just have like People interacting with each other You know like a lot of a lot of dramas just have conflicts between people not necessarily deaths or anything like you know Some stories will have like, you know one major death perhaps maybe but like yeah It's just if you if you keep framing it through the lens of like action movies and superhero stories Then I guess you can say that but there's plenty of stories where nobody dies And um, I don't know I think if if we had Ten iterations of spider-man and none of them did a significant family death But they all explored different ways of reaching this point or rather just went different directions What do you do when? Let's say a spider-man. That's just the punisher becomes the new hyper popular one Because like because like this is all it ever seems to me.   I'm just like that's so strange I think that what's more important to spider-man is the great power comes great responsibility the do-gooding no matter what cost it comes to you Ultimately anyway like like with a lot of circumstances and that anybody has the potential to be a hero sort of thing um Rather than you always got to have someone die so that you couldn't learn that life is precious and that through your own inaction or perhaps mistakes You can cause horrible things to happen and that relates to your power and so wait Expand your mind high top there are more ways to do this But it really does seem from the way you've described it now The they did uncle Ben's death scene or their own rendition and that made you finally agree with this character When you've missed all the other losses he's had which we've been over his videos before he says like homecoming and far from home Don't have any consequence It's insane.  Yeah, that's what spider-man didn't harm coming though. He saved vulture. Yep. Yep.  Shit was great in terms of looking at it as a character thing of He's making up for for the consequences of having given away something that he really shouldn't have But he felt was the right thing because that person tricked him Now he's got the confidence to trust himself That's why he trusts his spider sense to get him through the battle because he's trusting in himself now to make decisions Yeah, but nobody nobody loved died. So it doesn't count. You're like, oh Yeah, okay It's almost one of the most refreshing things honestly about those films is how little death there is like one person dies in homecoming and shocker Like compared to the other marvel films where people die all the time. It's kind of nuts I'm like, oh, it's a meme on twitter that keeps going. But like my spider man.  Okay With a choice to harm only to help it's what they do what spider man always And yeah, we we saw him do this with mysterio and uh vulture.  That's not about fixing them as people They need to fix that you are a dangerous monster.  They need therapy.  What's on your mind kurt? Oh, I don't know. It's just I just want to turn the world I want to turn the world into lizards Bullshit, they're just trying to depower them.   Or ramies peter referring to harry's death as if it happened after a betrayal when it was really a loving sacrifice that killed Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.    I was born metalized. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay That's right. That's true. Yeah Killed his best friend my friend harry taught me that he chose to be the best of himself Or pizza and mj's entire relationship tom and zendaya. They have great chemistry But their love wasn't naturally established Their love wasn't natural. What does that mean? It wasn't naturally established I think they did a better job the most when they have the idea that she keeps an eye on him And then he says, uh, you yeah, you got it. You figured out. I am spider-man And then he's like, was that the only reason like that you just that's why you were watching me And she's like awkwardly like, uh You know, like that's the far from home is the beginning of like actually moving them into any kind of relationship um And so it's hard to do that because Why go beyond having a crush, right? But like they have an interest in each other and then by the time you hit this movie the relationship's actually in full Mode like it's actually going and that's when it gets cut off right at the beginning. There's even more tragic Uh, the idea there's like it didn't feel that I don't know what to tell you. Uh, I What do you want exact? I guess what feels natural Can you give me an example that we can compare it to and explain why god forbid? I Wish you had arguments instead of just statements naturally built. It wasn't about teenage idealization and then adulthood sacrifice Man All right, what do you say? What do you say to this?  You can't compare those greek alps. I even did it. There's like, yeah, there's different focuses different stories for fuck's sake like Tom holland has to meaningfully give up is Uh, everyone knowing him his relationship with dr. Strange relationship with ned his relationship with well I was gonna say aunt may I guess I don't know how she's dead Um And we've got a lot of not to mention everyone else all the villains all the heroes It's just like yes We do not have the time To be able to flesh out his relationship with mj to the degree that other films can because that's their only focuses or One of few focuses Don't it's really unfair all the time funnily enough as far as I've seen from people praising the film Um the chemistry and relationship between zandaya and tom holland in in the film Was that it's best for the third one a lot of people said that now as far as i'm considered It's the first one where they've been properly together the other two they weren't necessarily Homecoming establishes they have like a vague interest far from home puts them together at the end Just again. Yeah, it's not yes Not an equal not static No, and no definitely not it's like an it's like a relationship developing naturally Well, I mean if if like, you know in homecoming obviously she's not like the main focus But it's pretty clear that they're like setting it up. It didn't it didn't come out of nowhere Like that was obviously where they were heading with that She's not the focus in the first one But she's around we know that she's paying attention to him and then the second one We put him in a circumstance where it's like, okay now They're actually we're like being more overt and that there's an interest here in there. Yeah, it's an actual relationship in this film On and that's kind of the problem with all of this We when he says like it wasn't built naturally and then I go it was built naturally Now what do we do?   Wait, what's wrong with Ned?  Tell me what it is about Ned that you do not like I like Ned. So I don't know I like Ned. Yeah Welcome to what? That's a good guy. I'm I'm glad he got his moments to be a hero, you know Yeah, and uh, I think that they've done well with I'm sorry, but they've done the best actually out of the live action spider-man friendships Uh, Tom and on Ned. Yeah, well Jacob, uh Compared to the awfulness in the in the rey me ones and then the the hilariousness of tasman twos Attempt at having them be friends before turning into a villain straight away like Like is that a production line? Yeah, so I don't know I need references, but I don't think we're getting any Freak out about the live long day that I did freak out about through eyes of nostalgic joy Rami's peter and autos reunion andrew's peter silently watching holland's peter and mjb. I like how you're Talking about these things having happened, but not why they mean so much Interesting to me. It's like you're putting as the littlest amount of effort in both the criticism and the praise to be honest with you like Toby and uh, uh Auto reunion. It's like so good. It's like well why? right What's what's because that's a statement that might require some level of qualification or explanation I know that we can rely on everybody to sort of figure it out, but like isn't that your job? I don't know In love are you just an opinion giver? Is that all you do is you just give your opinions and that's just it He would tell you if you saw this right now.  I should be like, yeah, but sometimes you explain your positions. Sometimes you don't makes me wonder Higher third act is an emotional roller coaster full of fan service that even the coldest of hearts will feel some warmth by witnessing Obviously, I'm mixed on the movie But for the first time I can say that I'm optimistic about because I don't even know why with a I Finally optimistic new set of storytellers can go from here. Even if I can't quite figure out what no way home Story with a new set of storytellers can go from here even if I can't quite figure out what no He so desperately wants to be spider-man. He's just like brown top brown table. Sorry Brown top Brown table has a black Way home is trying to say not on a thematic level, but on this weird meta level Are they saying acknowledging that tom was never really spider-man never really? Oh my god. What? No.  So the film was called spider-man Just a matter of uh We're watching an arc unfold. I'm sorry that you only cared about the end of it Really felt any kind of great loss consequence or great sense of wrong is wrong Keep saying it. I guess you can keep saying it Responsibility am I supposed to applaud the fact it took this long to see the fundamentals of the icon back on the big screen The fundamentals of the icon the fucking origin to the icon. I don't see it uncle Well, yes, that you kind of spider-man without a dunkle Are they really saying that we've spent more than half a decade in six film appearances watching a character that needed to lose Everything need showing him dying Showing him dying. Oh, yeah, by the way that happened But who he is it's fine. Did everyone to forget him in order for him to become the peter parker We all know. No, it's not it's not that everyone forgot him Did you just the fact that you show in clips that like show you the character and what they were going for so awkward It is awkward because they're all at odds with what he's saying. Yeah, like But they're all pulled from the films. He's shittig odd You think about these moments in all of the trilogy.  Look at that flat cinematography by the way. Look at how uncreative and flat MCU sludge right here.  We all know and love. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, I'm here for it I'm overjoyed to an almost disturbing degree that no way home ends in a crumbly crusty Yeah, we knew you'd love this we knew it. We already knew that because you're really superficial. I'm sorry Like it was obvious that it hit the beats that you wanted We were very invested and happy because it hit the emotional substantive beats It went throughout You managed to maintain peter parker as a character is a very much significant worry But you were like it's a crusty apartment.  In harm coming if anything he was Entirely unwilling to pass off his problems to other people and far from home What do you call this when he like takes on an army of drones like wow passing your problems off, buddy? Yeah Share his grief with swinging into the winter night a spider-man reborn Yeah, it's like an arc Yep How we got here was what the story was you hated it. I'm sorry, but Things don't just exist the way that they are from the get-go.  No, it's No, it wasn't Tell me why There's nothing in the film that I can even pull that would indicate to me a lack of confidence or faith in what they did before It's just because he's broken because his uncle hasn't bitten it yet.  Now you're good. Yeah I hear by resolve you of your shittiness I must save your character stabs yourself in the heart Broke me the detachment from the ICU it broke me broke me and he'll my solid watered my crops All in these images for the good movies You guys don't know what bathos is. I don't know the specific definition, but uh, it's it's the we we've covered it many times It's uh Isn't it pathos bath? There's a whole bunch of them and they refer to like the satisfaction you get from different choices and uh Delivering like tonal things Uh, yeah, I don't know. I've never heard of bathos. So Um, oh the so bathos is an effect of anti-climax created by an unintentional lapse in mood from the sublime to the trivial or ridiculous These are not the definitions. I'm gonna remember It's a literary literary terms Theo would know them lying on the avengers brand the idea that now spider-man can swing again without the Need to have a fury a happy a tony. He was already doing that What do you mean tony who takes away a shit? So he has to do it with even less stuff now He's already sway without the blah How do you think tony found him? Strange thereby his side leaves us right back to where we started No, no a spider-man can never like the idea that a spider-man can never get helped So it's just 14 here. They happen to be independent.  He's learned so much like the idea that we're back to square one is so stupid A kid a broke kid a loner trying to get by on his own with a secret He must hide in order to protect those he cares for a young man who feels a like tom pollin who's willing to Whatever we're almost to the end Hopefully there's a new man. I don't know ability because bad things will always happen and they will happen because of you Will he regress again? Will why can't you just have a spider-man who has the powers who's just like no No tragedies here. I everyone's doing fine. You know spider-man, right? That's fucking.    I thought he wasn't allowed to have help We knew this would happen. I'm pretty sure we called this on a really early effort We were like Yes, he will have help from the other spider-man But I think people will forgive that because they're spider-man like spider-man other people from different series He personally took down vulture. He personally took down mysterio He did not personally take down all the villains in this film And do you know which two of the three are called the ones where he had to get help?  There it is. Look the formula. Yep that that that It's in the synonyms Great power comes from the willingness to carry on to empathize to share There it is And again, we are shown. He just wants to watch the rimi movies on repeat. It's just pretentious horseshit. Yeah Even if that love is too often too easily Ripped oh my god away from us. What if your love isn't ripped away from you? What if you have a healthy relationship with someone? Yeah, he's just a superhero who dresses like spider-man does calls himself spider-man just saves people because he's always felt that that's important He takes care of himself He looks after his identity and he doesn't want to get anyone involved in his life Through this for the sake of they could be in trouble and height. I was like, did his uncle die? like No His uncle's actually fine He's a he's a good like age 40.  That was actually pretty substance-less honestly for like a Even by his standards, he didn't say much He mainly just wanted a rant about how I think he's just bitter that he got what he wanted But that it's still mcu spider-man and it's still used to being anti mcu spider-man And in a certain sense it almost validates everything they did up until that point. It's like, well, wait, that would mean I was completely wrong Yeah, oh no I'm much more willing to believe that's the case um And I don't think it was conscious. I think it's like just some you know, like I doubt it was like Barely talked about The meaning of like all the different things that happened in the movie. Um This is the thing when aunt may says with great power Didn't we talk about that for a while about what's being referenced here? Why is she saying it when she's saying it what it means to him? Why his responses? I know Um, like there's so much happening and he was just like, yeah, they did uncle benn's part It's like why do you see everything this way? Strong with you So I guess I don't know if we can fit brown table in can we? Yeah, we're at that awkward point always Now chat.  Um Shall we just move on to that's to chunk this chunk is coverage or I'm I'm okay to move on The only thing I will leave it. I don't want to cover this video in any other like I don't want to do another efap where we do Right, this would be it. Yeah Um, I feel like it's gonna be a lot of the same stuff, you know, like we got it Okay, well then what about the deal if we only do it if we Will pause at him making an argument the high tops already made and be like this was covered. So we'll just keep going That's we can try to be expedient. I suppose Well, just let's not if he says anything that high top said which is very likely we'll simply move on from it I guess brown table All right, give us brown table. It's the first time anyone's ever I wonder how's animates coming along Oh, there you go.  I can't wait how exciting Spider-man no way home should just be renamed into spider-man no way no way because the movie One day managed to unite all of spider-man twitter and was able to make spider-man fan probably didn't We just watched yeah Universally happy spider-man no way because the movie was able to accomplish what I've been begging for for years A spider-man movie with genuine Yeah, there it is genuine stakes Yep, if it's not the multiverse collapsing in on reality as we know it Fuck it. It's not genuine stakes stakes. No way because as I walked out of the theater. Oh Oh He's gonna swag it. He loves it.  It's this he's I can I totally believe you're making an anime He's gonna be fine. It's okay He's not gonna be fine. He he needs it rags. He's it He wears this to movies and oh my goodness gracious He needs it. I kept going to myself. No way. No way home fixed mcu spider-man for me No, I used one of spider-man's worst stories to do it, which is honestly very commendable And what's amazing wait? It's a bad story adapted. Well, I must make it bad No, it was adapted. Oh, it's so confusing to see is that everyone I've seen has enjoyed the ending In fact, they loved it other than some mcu fans that want to see their cinnamon roll Peter parker be happy all the time, you know God forbid Because that's a terrible thing.  First of all, who's been saying like I hated the ending Because I wanted to be happy and second of all, what is wrong with wanting your characters to be happy How can I do not make the people who want their characters to be happy the weird ones?   No one can be happy and You know, it was cool to see an mcu spider-man movie finally have a sad ending It's a Yeah, okay. Why do you just want misery? It comes across that way All right, it's weird. It's doubly weird when you think about him wearing the outfit to the theater and you're like, yeah This person who's costume. I'm wearing. I want her to be miserable. Finally. Sadness weird. Okay. All right One more melancholic than happy but hopeful all the same and there are multiple ways No way home alters the peter parker character and the story works We'll see about that. I'm not sure about that alters his character. I might I might concede depends how he argues it It's a massive retcon in such a smooth way that I feel the audience hasn't realized that It's not a retcon.  It's not like We've seen some retcons in our time from watching media. They're saying it You see, I don't think no way home was the plan for mcu spider-man from his first appearance I don't care if it was a plan it was done well Well, it's it's complicated right because if if we made those films and then I go Yeah, actually from homecoming we had intended that um the climax of the third film in his trilogy would be losing someone incredibly important And for everything to be solidified in terms of the messaging for responsibility But the first two we're going to regard like lessons along the way and losses that were less significant Um Does that count as a plan or does it not because of all the things? You know say for example, we get to the third one. They're like, okay, we want you to put toby in it Find a way like see you couldn't have planned this and it's like well but My plan was there. It just doesn't necessarily include whether or not toby is there Or other items that get changed along the way Pretty sure this was planned in the sense of giving him the trilogy and for what it was going to mean for his character hence why myself Uh free I'd say rags as well and jay have all been talking about where this is going And how clear it is where this is going and then it went there um Seems like something that was planned as a beginner. We've been saying that I think since even um far from home was like a trailer It was like oh, we're doing this this this and we've been saying we want the college years and then even the um post college years potentially If you had told me that this was like a broad plan sure I don't do I think that it was um Like this is how they wanted to sort of get this story all wrapped up probably not no Yeah, I I'm willing to agree that it wasn't it doesn't look the way that they'd always intended from the beginning But I don't know that they'd had no this comes across as a trilogy with a plan compared to someone like star wars Realized that it happened You see I don't think no way home was the plan for mcu spider-man from his first appearance in civil war And I think people should stop acting like it is I think disney marlo are people acting like Like like what do you mean in this way or? I do I'd agree. I don't think it was planned from civil war because he's in it for like fucking two minutes I he's just introduced but when they built up homecoming they were probably like how do we I don't Also, what does it matter at that point because I'm starting to think like I don't think civil war was planned when they made iron man, it's like okay Oh, yeah, I mean plans are a potential means to an end and you don't need a plan They're often very very very helpful and a lot of people just need them But you can you don't need a plan was spider-man three planned when they made spider-man one probably not But and now I need to know why this is a flaw because I'm confused also high fringy Yeah, I will roll this back so that you can hear it and get outraged Is a massive red con in such a smooth way that I feel the audience hasn't realized that it happened You see, I don't think only home was the plan for mcu spider-man from his first appearance in civil war And I think people should stop acting like it is. I think disney marvel and sony took a cow I feel like more people are acting like it isn't than it is. Absolutely. That's how I feel I would never cite civil war was where they planned everything up to no way home I'd be like no, I can believe I doubt it was around where they were like, right What's the broad story going to be across his films? Yeah, you can have the broad story figured out without knowing exactly like which The problem is it's going to be really difficult to do that when you're part of the mcu and there's a lot of stuff That's just out of your control By the way, especially in a post star war sequel world I can totally believe that they're going to be a bit more particular about all right, so like actual general Idea that we're going for yeah, like let's at least know broadly where we want to end up Where did homecoming come out? 2017 Yeah, so Well, yeah, but the ending and The the course corrections that could possibly be done They were doing it right to begin with they didn't learn from the shittiness of the sequels, but uh, I'm sure many will You're planning Yeah Calculated risk and it paid off fully and I'm very excited to talk about it. But first let's talk about today's sponsor Oh All right, are you old enough to drink? 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I don't think he did this video wouldn't have been possible without alcohol No way home is really interesting I've had a ton of discussions with fellow youtube creators on what it all means looking back on civil war It seems like uncle ben has existed and the first fucking thing Uh I want to beat uncle ben like a fucking ben Kid yotter at this point You fucking I want to see him dying war that events occurred that instilled a responsibility on peter But in the film no way home It seems like he hears with great power becomes great responsibility for the first time even though he says and I quote I know he seems to Well, that's even more meaningful than i'm hearing it is him I'm more interested in what point he wants to make regarding this I don't know if it's the first or last whatever time he's heard the first time he's heard it or not um The the point can be made in many ways as is done when we first meet him Response would in a way that means he understands what what says Thomas then touched on two of the biggest scenes in spider-man no way home where the three peter parkers meet for the first time on the rooftop of the school and the heartbreaking scene where may is killed As the story started to develop and as we got to the scene with may we realized This is going to be peter's uncle ben and the wounds are going to come out For the scene on the rooftop where the three peter's met we felt pretty strongly that we need something to really finally crystallize it For these three guys that they are the same that they are brothers And they are bound in a cosmic way by something having them share those words in a common In common seemed like the thing to do Okay, yep. Yeah, that'll lines up What may is telling him it's not like he's actually heard the line before Plus, I think it was never john watson's intention to have the line be said by uncle ben Hell happy says it in a throwaway line in a deleted scene from homecoming so Go to the films writer spider-man homecoming originally housed the series most famous line john francis daily and jonathan goldstein opened up To yahoo movies about the changes they made to the film script and the pair admitted one unlikely character nodded to the iconic spider-man quote At the end when happy is in the boys room in school We had him say oh, yeah, tony wanted me to tell you with great power comes something I forgot goldstein said before adding it was a little too meta. Yes. That's probably a good decision. Yeah, I think I was a good decision Yeah, right of that Oh, imagine all the whinging they that we would have heard people would have hated it Well, personally, personally, I wouldn't have liked it. They don't need it. I wouldn't have liked it either. Yeah Yeah, good good good choice. Could you imagine? Oh, never been very mad. Yeah almost makes it worth it Well, how I take away Peter and spider-man in general in no way home Is your home trilogy is his origin story? His origin journey is finally completed. Oh, but very Literally became spider-man at the end of home come shut. That's okay But so We're gonna have to get to the point then of talking about what does it mean to be a spider-man? And what does it mean when you stop growing? Well, yeah Yeah, the answer is generally dead uncles and a phrase was toby. It's like it's like it's a magic spell The blood of an uncle the spet the incantation phrase and you have oof. You are now spider-man. I like his am Let's make this a little bit more complicated for like high table. Fuck Whatever the it's like did He become spider-man in spider-man one ramy two or three and if it was one did he learn nothing in two and three And if yeah, basically, there is no way to answer this that you can then argue against home like the trilogy here Well, so I think the next step for the people who are listening who very much fucking hate our takes on spider-man would be He learned different things in spider-man one two and three while I would argue He learned with great power comes great responsibility and all three of them just variations in different ways Which is what I'm pretty sure it's not that easy. It's not that simple Well, there's loads that comes with it like for example, let's just be honest the last you teach it kids Be good. It's like, okay. Now. We're gonna have to unpack that There's a lot with it. What is great power comes with? Great responsibility mean in the context of a world where there are a bunch of other heroes Does that mean that you need to help all the time and like try and basically like and it can be you become misguided Like I want to be a hero and I want people to know I'm a hero Where does great power and great responsibility factor into what I need to know about that? And then when I get really shaken up and I'm freaked out and I think I'm not competent enough What does that mean to me this phrase? Yeah, and what does it mean now when I'm dealing with people who you know, I have the capacity to save them But then it cost me something significant It's a good lesson, but different circumstances might reveal blind spots That you need to account for homecoming and far from home is about a far from home He thought he was taking great responsibility by providing the glasses to uh, hysteria.  Okay The messy plot of far from home indicates that he's still learning to be spider-man I feel like it's been more about becoming a hero and calling himself spider-man Then him actually becoming the spider-man we know and love. He doesn't really really what no, I'm not sure So he has to I swear it's just like we have to hey has to be toby maguire He has to be injure garfield. That's us the vibe. I get All the time which is weird because they always link it is retroactive adoration for the storytelling choices of the tazam films when they garbage Is a really bad the messy plot of far from home indicates that he's still learning to be spider-man I feel like it's been more about becoming a hero and calling himself spider-man Then him actually becoming the spider-man we know and love. He doesn't really fully Comprehend what being spider-man means and by the end of because he is spider-man. He's the only spider-man in his world What he is determines what spider-man means in that universe Like whatever he is at the time because he is spider-man like it's such a bizarre meta thing Like do you see peter in this universe doesn't understand what it means to be spider-man How did he came through a portal and said that he'd be like, what do you mean? What are you talking about?  It all wraps up an arc. It all When all of his family members are getting executed and peter's just being beaten over and over again brown table has the people glad face Yeah Yeah, it's like Listen, listen, listen whenever peter parker is sad. I am happy. Let me bask in his misery.  Okay, anyway peter and the mcu gets his powers and his original message off screen Surely it'll be covered in the freshman year animated series But his full journey into becoming the traditional spider-man has come to a close agreed Dot dot dot Another cue for me realizing this movie was meant to close spider-man's origin story was peter following as goblin calls it Aunt may's moral mission. He has to save these villains, right?  I'm not saying this is a bad thing and this is where the spider-man show up dude toby Andrew my biggest thought wasn't oh my god. I'm gonna come all over my seat. What will I? My law first I just agree with right now I'm just okay. Okay I do my biggest thought was dude if this movie ruins them and writes them all out of character I will hate this movie for the rest of my life Thankfully seeing them on screen is absolute magic like its villains the movie handles the characters to perfection Ooh, he thinks they were handled to perfection talk to high top about lizard Right.  Oh, no And we're poking your crown. We're taking it back. You can still have the crown, but we were just wrong He thought elizabeth. It's a burger king crown that you get. It's one of those paper wins. It's not yeah So no crown table is a happy meal kind of guy Did he at least say the reason except for the lizard.  No, we're just moving on I I do not know what the problem is for lizard.  Yeah It's not just brown table though But it isn't just fluff These are real people with real events that have happened to them way prior to no way home and the film treats these events with sincerity These spider-man have gone through a sincerity Sincerity him and high top have been talking Tom peter is going through and they instill in him their wisdom It's this funny but endearing visual of seeing peter parker lift himself back up and I think that's brilliant So you have the og's they talk to tom about their failures their struggles He's talking about the movie. It's crazy The actual writing the events that happened They've lost people and in their anger in their lust for writing what's been wronged. They lost themselves Andrew is still going through the works having become a more violent spider-man Meanwhile, toby has been able to get through his dark side successfully Both know what it means to want to kill to want revenge It's about telling tom peter that wanting to kill green goblin is valid But killing him is wrong with great power. There must also come great responsibility. And so with this passing This is pretty much this is fine I'm sorry. There's just nothing for me to complain about but uh There's also nothing for me to really I mean it could be more detailed, but it's the point is clear I think in the spider-man helping tom come back to his senses Traditional spider-man takes his first steps. It's an interesting take on the origin story But mcu spider-man No, we never have never will But fine an interesting take on the origin story But mcu spider-man has such a wildly different take on the character that i'm okay with how this bit was handled Don't doubt it's wildly different compared to what we understand of you spider-man I've seen plenty of people say that he's perfectly in line, but uh Fine Seeing tom peter getting along with the other spider-man and them actually liking each other was a great change of pace I feel like usually if people would write this kind of thing where alternate versions of the same character met up They'd all dislike each other or not particularly like each other.  It's that they've got actual Influence on them, but I I agree with him broadly that it was nice to see them just chill out and be friendly and stuff Together by the end of the story or something like that kind of like the avengers and thankfully that's not the case here The spider-man have this sibling dynamic that absolutely works and it's so fun to see them heading off to defeat and cure their villains Was honestly really wholesome and I quite enjoyed that they weren't going off to just beat their asses and call it a day It's a good spider-man story a classic spider-man conundrum, right? And so we reach the finale the spider-man get their moments and tom peter almost kills the green goblin before being stopped by himself Well tobey peter, but you get what I mean and it's an interesting way of seeing it Quite possibly the purest spider-man one who's been at it for so long now older and wiser One who's been where tom is now. It is funny to me to refer to him as the purest spider-man Like they really do see him on like a throne when it comes to spider-man content Stopping him before he does something he regrets It's as if what spider-man is meant to be is physically stopping tom from killing the goblin This is also great for tobey's ark his ark in this film is about curing the goblin and letting him live So that's cool And all this allows tom peter to continue his journey towards becoming the spider-man We know he's meant to be by the way seeing tom actually angry and sticking a pumpkin bomb in goblin's glider His face showing that he's fully willing to kill him now. That is spider-man. It's great to see the Is that spider-man?  That's how he was ending that sentence. I thought he was gonna talk about That's the question. What is spider-man? I threw some talk about how great the performance was or how he felt like that was like a peak engagement But saying like that is peak spider-man. It's like oh Uh, I don't even know what to say to that I don't either like it's all what is spider-man to these people. It's just like That uncle's magic words and arms and gliders His chat seemed to be pretty bewildered about it too.     No I mean toby maguire's Spider-man didn't like face a tragedy in this film. No way home. He was just helping out another spider-man I guess you could say he got stabbed He's been scared before they what was his personal tragedy in two Uh I guess Or the I guess that he just decided to choose one life or the other all that stuff. I don't I'm I'm not entirely sure. Maybe the the uncle uncle duncle dad uncle is is counters the whole series. Yeah It's that the character for spider-man has a lost so many years of stories because it's essentially a retcon No character remembers anything. It's like they never happened with no way home It's a similar idea peter loses everyone forgets him, but spider-man still exists His stories live on not only through the public but through peter and peter himself knows everything He's gone through and as he's the main character This isn't a regression for the spider-man character if anything It's a push forward because now he doesn't have all this baggage right now. He can be the purest spider-man purest Wow, you you were on the right track, but then you said that and it's like, uh, you've tainted a little bit It's funny how we like that's so clearly happened. We're all like running his code. It's all going pretty well Then he said the word cured all of us went Like the codes fuck. What? Yeah, it's just like blue screen It's one of those things where you know what you mean by that when you say it But you need to understand other people when they hear you say that they could come away with many interpretations And they might just be confused It's an odd thing to say. Yeah, it's not that it's definitively invalid.   I don't know. I he must be talking about the meta He doesn't want iron man having to do with spider man. That's gotta be it right now He can be the purest spider man He can be freed from the shackles of tony stark taking his aunt may's message with him And now finally understanding that he asked the shackles of tony stark I don't get a guy who took stuff away from him Identity is secret to protect the ones he loves look seeing the ending unfold was actual bliss I guess the ending someone and I actually cheered in the theater because I got it so on point I actually got the dialogue extremely close to the final result actually. I'm here because I'm here because I I've actually been meaning to try the new pumpkin spice flavor I've never This is cringe. I've never had that. Okay, so he loves spider man This is right. So he he actually like did an animation where he predicted like very close to what the ending was Apparently. Oh, is that what's happening? Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. I because I remember a thing where it was like a thing There was an animator like this where is he was wanting to kill goblin and then Toby's like no, I don't do it Um, I just this feels like way more. Wow. That's actually really close except obviously. Yeah, that's pretty Yeah, I prefer the dialogue in the movie, but Yeah And I love the coffee shop scene It's one of my favorite scenes in the movie because Peter struggles. He can see what he wants. Yes. I know he struggles.  I bet it's pain too That's peak spider man, and I'm so happy that this is the ending they chose I've seen people on twitter say stuff like hey, don't say that no way home fixed mcu spider To be fair, by the way, because I was just thinking about it It's like pretty sure we've all talked extensively on eFab about how erasing everyone's memory of him is something they could do Um and the doctor strange is always going to be an option for that and then as soon as the trailers came I was like, hmm, we could definitely have that as a potential now I've seen people on twitter say stuff like hey, don't say that no way home fixed mcu spider man Because this was the plan all along. It wasn't now that you could have a you could have a plan but still require fixing What if john was told you it was and you can also have a plan But like broad strokes. We know this. Yep Just say like if he's about to say something like oh, you know, it couldn't have been the plan because it couldn't have accounted for Andrew Garfield being in it or something. I should be like that's not that's not the point It's already been said that there was an alternate ending where peter allows his identity to remain public We all know kevin feige thought yeah, it's not having an option on the table does not mean that you didn't plan anything Yeah, that's stupid. We literally all know what a plan b is I was about to say like actually that's more indicative of a plan that you have two endings That you have a plan b the fact that there was a plan b means there was a plan a yeah Thought secret identity were overplayed into pessimists Never have secret identities in the mcu ever and we all know that tom haulen fought for some of the ending of no way home To be what it ended up being plus no way home. Yeah, but he's been there the whole time It might have been a plan that he and john have talked about many times that doesn't make it not a plan Was at one point a craven story. So how would a story like that even have a mold? That's also a plan Just because you know, what do you know what that word means? I just want to understand why he's saying these as if their references to how there isn't a plan References to how there isn't a plan for star wars is ryan johnson saying he had no notes Daisy Ridley saying there were notes. He just didn't read them And then collin travaro having like all these plans for rise of skywalker as if he was going to do it That are like Starkly different than anything we can recognize from how the sequels look right now Then i'm pretty sure jj and collin wanted to have luke be a hero not be the disastrous mess Like these are all pretty strong evidence of how there's absolutely no fucking sense of a plan going on um Because what we got isn't like alien compared to what apparently was planned So there was no plan actually to do anything. Well, that's what they said explicitly that there was no plan Meanwhile, if craven were in the film and he was the villain you can still keep all of the beats And if you're like, well, no, we're gonna multi-verse like dude, we're not like that Those are just the plot details. We can move everything around Multiversal collapse and the erasure of an identity I don't know all I know is that this was not the planned end game for the spider-man characters for Wait, sorry Did he actually just cite the multiverse an example of how it can't have been planned because we've always had Doctor Strange the story like that even have a multiversal collapse and the erasure of yeah, doctor strange could be in the craven story Have that but it could yeah Well, but he's not even right one of cravings from a different universe We could always have a multiverse because doctor strange. Yeah an identity I don't know all I know is that this was not the planned end game for the spider-man characters first trilogy But i'm happy it is because instead of being iron man's successor instead of being a part of the avengers Or the young avengers which we've decided a terrible things. We can't have either of those things or whatever He's back to being what the character is supposed supposed to be supposed to be Should be supposed to be If he's anything else, it's wrong.  Especially when a character is essentially a set of superpowers Yeah To be a man that is The irony being that this change is that a significant from even tasm to ramy, but we're apparently both of them are correct Broke working hard in both his job and education and regardless of his emotional state He has to go swing out into the city of spider-man to protect people and make sure innocents don't go through losses similar to the man Can you guys think of a movie where regardless of his emotional state? He will go out there and he will save people Is there any one of the spider-man movies where that gets broken explicitly meters away from him? No, none come to mind.  This isn't a peter parker who knows a billionaire Who well why can't a person have not tragedies? There are most people probably You can't be a person if you know a billionaire most people just don't have tragedies Like that.   He's not someone who has technology.  No, it's rags. It's nearly over. All right. We only got Oh, wow. Yeah, we come through this one pretty fast Who struggles with money someone who has a relationship problem Someone who has uneasy friendships and someone who has responsibilities that have to be taken care of regardless of personal dilemmas And I wanted some table thinks the human experience is misery Pure undelated misery It's almost like spider-man's more than that That for the first 30 minutes of no way home But we just got a speeder run of peter's life with his identity revealed and that's okay. It was fun, but I'm so happy That's okay because it was fun He sounded like he was trying to compensate for criticizing it, but I didn't spot the criticism What was the criticism that it was a speed run a speed run of his life. It was too fast It was a montage when it shouldn't have been or it's hard to tell the motivation for what's gonna become the rest of the film Like we didn't spend time on the access what this story's about Like we got the montage.  Good god It wasn't that it was I didn't even notice that Marty Scorsese. It's so impressed with the ending so happy We at least got it at the end peter not being able to spend time with his friends and leaving them be peter visiting may's grave and I'm so miserable Yes He would be in with a baseball bat over and over again just feeling great every time Oh, no one will even know the sacrifice he made Oh, yeah, and then peter moving into his new apartment ready to take on the world is spider-man I literally exploded in the theater like I genuinely was Literally You did not I literally exploded Can we stop please literally exploded you didn't look let me inform you guys sometimes literally can mean not literally Okay No, fuck that He had a cosmic cooming I will drag this civilization kicking and screaming out of barbarism if I have to I swear to god The spider-man I literally exploded in the theater like I genuinely was in awe.  I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe this was Were you literally flabbergasted? I was in shock. I couldn't believe they pulled off what I had wanted for so long It feels like they actually listened to this part of the fan base that was upset with far from home You fuckers just had no patience. That's all it is Couldn't wait couldn't couldn't watch how he got built up So he just complained until you finally got the ending of the story, but I'm still glad you're happy I suppose And the overall direction with the character.   I hope it burns down and then you live in it some more More suffering. Spider cancer He looks out Fendo mask in hand. He's made a new suit and it looks classic The logo is based off the spider-man he encountered with a spin of his own and all of this Is probably one of if not my favorite ending to a spider-man movie ever because you know, it feels like an invitation If not my favorite ending Yeah, human endings, right? What you have to do endings because it can't be one of your favorite ending like that's the problem with that one Well, you know what we complicated, but it's it's the strongest script probably out of the three I think it's certainly not movie bobs World This script is yeah, because it has less of the because the problem with hind tops is I am getting real sick of that Formulaic just have a list of like three or four things and just keep saying I'm in a very dramatic voice I guess is what I mean This feels way more authentic to me despite the fact that the whole point of the shtick with high top is to be like Look at how authentic in my feelings. I am but like I don't feel like I'm being bullshitted here You know, I completely agree with you.  I'm not saying the movie is perfect and it's sloppy But that tone that peter parker spider-man dichotomy and lifestyle That's peak and sure homecoming at similar vibes, but it felt very innocent very chill and it felt very avengersy What the What does that mean? I yeah, I'm just Sitting here wondering what these things mean if that makes sense. So no No, it doesn't While I love that movie. It's not the same feeling to me personally.  Yeah, we can panty our bunches just as much as you can Bunch my pants as much as I want when you don't make any sense. Okay These panties were made for bunching and that's just what we'll do So with a magical flick of the wrist Dr. Strange helped peter change spider-man's destiny reverting the status quo to a pre mcu spider-man And I have never been happier. I mean only in the sense of who knows him He's he needs all of his mcu experiences for it to be very meaningful You can't just it's not a reset. It's not back to square one It's everything that he's learned with no one there to acknowledge that It does sure spider-man's been with the avengers. No one knows who he is or how young he is Yeah, I'm so so happy. I just hope sony and disney marvel take advantage of the situation and keep peter on his own To me, that's where he thrives See it like on his own. We agree I seriously wonder if you believe this in 2016 though. I wonder. I really do like if you when you heard that He was coming into the mcu.  That's what I'm gonna call them when they watched spider-man work with iron man and dr. Strange to Unstar Lord to defeat Thanos. They weren't like he's not thriving. He is not I doubt it. Not thriving at all. Oof I hope he has more street level situations to deal with in his college trilogy Which is 100 happening by the way.   I mean, I certainly hope you do not get my ass I don't know But if they make good movies and they're under tom's as I said, he's partly culpable for the banger ending of the movie Then partly Hey, thanks so much for watching the video. This is my last video, uh ever For 2021 nice in 2022. Hopefully there's just as much if not more content from the brown table channel And make sure to check out interstellar ranger commenced and animated series. I'm making Please. Yes. What is it out? When is it out? What's that in april right april? Yeah Oh, perfect. You can check out the trailers now Thanks so much to everyone that sent fan art the amount of fan art I've gotten for interstellar ranger commences insane and so just thank you I got so much stuff. I haven't got loot stuff. Oh god. Don't even let's not You even got what if you have any more? I'm not even joking. No, and thank you so much patrons for supporting the channel It really means a lot to me, you know, especially, you know during these times. It's rough So people make loot stuff with me, but I'm an adult. I sincerely appreciate it Uh, so thank you so much for supporting the channel or whatever way you can much love to everyone Hope 2022 is better than 2021 uh fingers crossed it is and yeah Thanks so much for coming to the table, and I'll see you all next time. Oh, is that like his outro thing? Thanks for coming to the table. You're like that's the first one. Thanks for coming to the table I feel like I've never heard it before. Yeah We did All right. Yeah, yeah, send me loads of my That's the end All right, who's next that's it rag stuff. That's all right. Okay. That's it. All right. We did it done Alrighty well So, uh, in conclusion guys think of spider-man no way home.  Um, I don't know what else to say little evil. I guess it's kind of weird Such a strange environment where I had to talk about these movies sometimes Y'all feeling like Feeling any different on no way home after watching them three videos Oh, it's terrible. I gotta say I feel unconvinced. I feel exactly the same as I felt I don't know what I've learned Other than high top is very grudgingly admitting he enjoyed it But he doesn't like to have to admit that I'm sorry for him because he's kind of gotten the beats that he wants Uh brown table seems to be more excited because at least he liked I'm coming And then movie bob. What even was movie bob saying in his video? Did anyone remember? Um Yeah, hey, it's just studio stuff. Um studio seven out of ten was good All right. Yeah, I feel like that's a summary bruh his was studio studio seven out of ten and then uh high tops was Uh mc schlock, but then ray mean and tazen I and I like that part, but yeah And then brown tables was like, yeah, I like because suffering. Yes I love it suffering very much pros I think that summarizes it well, uh, that that concludes That that the the video reaction of spider-man trilogy. Yeah. And so now we can just move on, right? Yes, uh Yes, yes, uh, I don't think we'll be doing another one for no way home anytime soon Unless someone releases a particularly hilarious video. I don't know if they will I thought To be honest the brown the the high top one was pretty much exactly as Bad as I would expect a bad high top video no way home to be it was pretty much all of like I probably could have written that With what I know about him um As for brown he is indistinguishable from his own parody Yeah, um, it is quite amusing to think about regardless Uh, we can get we can get on with the soup chats. I suppose. Yay Uh If you can get this screen to capture Well, I'll just reboot dolphins if that doesn't While I'm doing that, I'll just read the first one which is awaken my masters I'm up Um the joe pera show is hilarious. It's in hbo max The joe pera No I'm not familiar with that. No There it is uh Lord long bone of mueslington abbey Have you given any more thought to a kong fap when there's less going on it'd be a movie fap for the ages P. S. Hello waggly waggly walk squitches for the good boy Oh, thank you very much Yeah, and I will hold a kong fap of the long kong One day Together Um rlm's video and matrix four was very very strange Strangers always it was um I don't think you said you didn't even finish it, right? I got like five minutes in and i'm like no.   Um Yeah, very very strange. That's the worst is top notch Great. Yes Half of the bag is a bit Uh New year new dumb essays to watch well, I mean we're off to a good start right three already. Yeah, we are yeah We got our own our own little starting off the year with our own little spider-man trilogy Which pokemon do you think is the cutest and would you have as a pet spiel spoink and gibble? He's a pokemon I don't know what they look like spiel. Well, let's uh, let's take a look here spiel. Can you spell it? um s eal a yeah sph eal And the other one is sploink spoink All right, let me Copy and i'll paste that there that's spiel and then we have spoink There we have a spoink That that is That is spoink And the other one is gibble Gibble Uh-huh. I'm going with spiel. Oh spiel I think i'm you haven't even seen gibble yet. Uh rags. I mean it's gonna be tough Like what is what does gibble look like hold on?  I mean No, okay Here this is the good skibble. Yes feel obviously Yeah, what do you think skip? Hmm Everyone's going for spiel Some will go for spoink. Uh, it's spoink. I'm okay with that It's spoink.   I was gonna say I was like no, I know that's a strange thing You just keep seeing them. It's really annoying. It's like Things are only ever gonna get worse Just in general and the cat ears are evidence of that Yeah a little bit Hi all especially rags Hello Hi All right, you got two out of four. Not bad Any mega man fans in the call Uh and which mega man sub series of y'all played i'm partial to the battle network games myself I've played very little mega man. I'm afraid So enjoy I played like one on the gameboy advance and it was all right It was like when we play as the I think zero is his name Mm-hmm Um people like mega man zero one I think Yeah, I uh I'm mega man unlimited is my might be the one I played before but uh Not played much mega man in general. I'm pretty sure it's a classic game series for a good reason uh Dk64 isn't that bad at all?  It was that's yeah I'm played it really so I do not know Thoughts on rlm saying that matrix four is like tlj overheated by a lot of people Oh, sorry just overheated by a lot of people. Yeah, they say he said that. Yeah, it's overheated by a lot of people and Overloved by a lot of people is what he said Yeah, he said he said yeah a lot of people are gonna hate it more than it deserves and a lot of people will love it More than it deserves.  So It's like well, that's over hate. I just be like, oh, yeah What's the correct amount of hate and is it more or less than the prequels because I'm guessing he'd say more Which is or less rather. Yeah um Yeah, I don't know What they're thinking about uh name your starter pokemon no nostalgia allowed Andrew we just Name your starter pokemon is in like choose one of pokemon to be our starters or what would we name one? Or what would your starter be? Because if it was what what one I choose and no nostalgia allowed is like I might I guess I'm going with the most powerful Where am I I don't know I guess I I've played them. I don't know if I have any nostalgia I guess it's charmander. I guess if we're going for nostalgia, but I don't have like any real connection to him So I'd pick bulbous or I mean, I would pick bulbous or not just because of the fact that I picked him A lot when I was younger and stuff, but also because I wouldn't mind having a guy around water I'd worry a lot about a guy with fire His tail is on fire, you know, it's like Yeah, I feel it's like a liability I just squirtle Yeah, I really like squirtle He's a cool boy Uh, do you know that during the spider sense scene in happy's place you could slightly hear the goblin laugh neat detail? Really? I didn't notice that that's cool. Look out for that. Nice time to watch that because I didn't think they were uh Movie bob because I've always wanted to see a hitler speech live. Oh my Nice video. He was very very, you know normie in this one Hmm. OBS just said the stream went down for about a split second Oh Yes, do we have to start with the three videos over again? Yes, let's do it again just to make sure that you know, just to make sure that they all got through Mm-hmm Today's animal of the day is the Damascus goat All right. Now that is an animal.  Yeah, all right.  Um, I don't know if you Hmm No, no, that's just it's it's pretty crazy looking critter Looks like it could be in star wars as a background here. It looks like a star wars preacher. Yeah Are those its nuts?  It looks like something straight out of star wars What a weird face these things have. Yeah All right Death showed Betty almost as much respect as teddy rough ride Roosevelt though with teddy it was more so out of fear You don't think death feared Betty either.  Oh, yeah Maybe that's like there was arrangement.  That's fine on Saturdays I'm thinking about doing something else. Anyway, all that death, you know Just gets old um I'd be very invested in a Hawkeye e-fap. The show has good character work But a bad plot with tizmy action that might make for good discussion. Hi rax off Hello What was that I disagree with that. I think some of the characters are not lame in Hawkeye I'm not way. Oh my goodness grace fight fight fight What fight is that? Yeah, I was gonna say who you talking to, right? Oh, I don't the the person in the comment They're not here though You doctor skipper in the comments. Yeah I guess that the biggest controversy so far with Hawkeye has been uh wilson fisk at the end of it Yes, which I've heard many people are unhappy with Are you unhappy with it? Yeah Did you want to see the big man beat up the girl? misogynist Yes, I was looking forward to yeah, I wanted to see misery Like many of the people in the world. Um So character damage to wilson fisk then or Um, I'll take he acts kind of out of character in comparison to daredevil But it's weird though because I don't know if it's There there aren't like flat out about it. It's if it's the same wilson fisk or not So it's just weird Yeah, I don't know how to explain. Have you also seen daredevil? Yes. Yeah Yeah, I get you that that seems to be the thing nobody knows what or not they're Like daredevil is canon in the mcu Yeah, it's like because In daredevil itself, right like the setup of wilson fisk is super Like they make him intimidating like somebody kills himself to like just because he names him Or a lot in hawkeye. He have the something called like the track suit mafia. It's just very uh Mediocre in comparison. Yeah, you'd have to watch it then you could Oh, it's it's yeah, it's water Well, yeah, there may be a possibility that we're gonna check it out. Um But like I don't know about if I've coverage no guarantees on that one um We shall see starting off 2022 with Roberto. I'm not sure if this is gonna be good or a bad omen Well, think of it as getting it out of the way, right? Got robert done Even though I don't feel like we got a true robert experience from that video And maybe there'll be more of him to come To you know, just I just don't feel like it was a genuine Movie experience from from that's all I think it's a good omen that we got through it so quickly Um Movie bar because oh wait. Yeah, I've read that one. Um I know a tlj fan who once said people didn't understand the milk drinking scene. Sometimes I reflect on that and wonder What is it to understand about that scene? I don't know Maybe it was saying a lot more than I'd ever realized. I don't know Ah disney star wars your consistency for a person slash faction not knowing which way is up and using up as an advantage is Gold happy new year long man doggo bring gold skipper and to all the masses Thank you. Yo, thank you The wave one pole and uh, yeah, that's in reference to boba fat Go anybody in chat is curious which has been released Go watch that after this stream. It's gonna be great And we will hopefully be getting those out Uh weekly Till the show is done. Yeah, and we will talk about how amazing it was Uh, have you guys seen his dark materials?  Um, I don't know but I don't even know if it's a good. I know it's about polar bears That's it. We're not like that polar bears, but it's got polar bears in it Well, there's a big difference to those things brings. I feel like you should have clarified that much too Yeah, well, I I clarified it as soon as I could Faster next time Okay The speed of sound got places to go got a follow the Is it rainbow? Yeah, I don't know I picture it's a pretty wholesome thing for sonic to follow Yeah As he escapes from the city Uh, when will the next bat woven reaction come out? I do not know but um We will I know it will come eventually. I just don't know exactly when Uh, new year goals become a part of the efab podcast and say ewok once every podcast. Just wait. It'll be epic hoggers even Oh Go around saying ewok, man Good band Yeah, that's a slurry.  Have you tried pan frying them halved with bread crumbs and salt? Also, hi rags Hey, uh, generally we do pan fry them or bake them after you cut them in half Never with bread crumbs though something to think about It could be good Uh, you guys should do lefidel on expert mode for an efab gaming. Otherwise happy new year We could do that sometimes Maybe Maybe I think people want us to play black for blood at that point rags to like check out the new one Tell us what you think that sort of stuff I just thought it was good. I've heard too many bad things about it to want to play it at this point I've tried. I have given that game a very fair shake and I just It continues to frustrate me and annoy me I want to like it, but it's it's it's hard, but I really want to like it Uh, I don't have anything interesting or insightful to say. Hi rags No, hello. That's interesting Uh more. Oh man only six minutes won't be too long not even 10 seconds in and y'all stop let the long live you massive We still got through bob's video pretty quick We didn't even have to slow him down We there's a couple moments there. I thought maybe but I made an efab watch order if anyone wants to use it I update it with every new release on moola. You'll have to click on my channel to see it though It won't let me link it in super chat Well, as far as I know everything is released chronologically on the uh Moola, I don't think there's anything of that out of order. Is there?  I spent five pound so that rags could riff on me for that You have audio problems. So you use lightworks? They don't know what video editor Does that help with Can you say audio problems are we talking about when you get in the editing process or the microphone itself? Um Did you I just grill somebody for bad audio or something at some point? I don't know Movie bob. Well this person I mean Uh, who are they?  I'm not a cat Well, they called fringy a pelican I don't think they were calling me a bird that's pretty that's pretty accurate No, it's not I mean if they said the australian pelican I feel like it's gonna be weird if they were talking to Skipper I think the mistake was the australian part not Skipper's not a pelican, right? That's a no No, it's a stork I thought so But calling rags a cat and calling you a pelican seems about like what they're going for there. It's consistent. I think so All right. Well rags ain't a cat either. I agree with that That is true. I'm not a cat. I am Much superior. We've definitely concluded that at this point. I am proud of that. Yes The blinker video came out in 2011 not 2013 I believe very unfair to compare CGI in 2005 to now his point was lucas. No, no, that's not that's not what we did That's what he did. He said nobody's surprised by CGI anymore Nobody's impressed by it. Which is a really dumb thing to say no matter what year you're in Uh, his point was lucas was too heavy-handed with the CGI at times said great things could have been done Uh, correctly. I wish that were his point because I agree Yeah Unfortunately said some really dumb stuff when it comes to CGI and no offense, but like it seems to have spread to a lot of people But somehow then recontextualizing to a much more reasonable point randomly and it's like People aren't impressed by CGI anymore.  Who knows what's gonna come out in the next like five years in terms of impressive CGI Yeah, who knows Um, hey molla check out neo next time you get the souls born itch great variety of weapons gear and attacks and magic and guardian spirits I have played it. Um I just prefer Uh blood born as my like go to a little bit sometimes I'm dark souls one Very used to Uh PA love the video. How did you know what I wanted for Christmas? Hi rags Hello, I don't know Santa told this which which video It's the same person that said the thing about plinket and CGI so they might be talking about that in which case I'm glad you had fun with it Uh working on my first video reviewing a neat game called the citadel wish me luck guys Also, who's the bird dude not green one also hi rags Hello, that would be dr. Skipper Who's here last time i'm talking about spoodman Maybe we're gonna have him back see him He really thinks about some videos this time around as opposed to just a movie We there. Yo, we criticize them both here. Can you believe it? Then pokeballs. Eh Happy new year efap. Thanks for the 12 months of great content. I look forward to the next 12 cheers. Oh, that's nice Happy new year indeed uh Yeah, I you know, hopefully it's around about the same amount that comes out this year, but there's no Great plans to release many many arcs or anything Or if uh what can get done when it can get done though. I imagine people feel like we're off to a good start with the uh The boba fet minis I say that as if there's more than one We will get there every Wednesday they come out that we are even able to see them That's another thing i'll have to figure out if we want to do a stream and watch it or just Watch it I don't Might depend on the discourse surrounding it. Hmm. Maybe Can't wait for that one episode to come out and everyone goes. Oh, I can't believe it. That's insane. Oh my god It's the best thing every time you're not so I don't know.  He should just use a normal backpack and keep things in it Well someone in the comment section I saw said didn't harm break it What? Well, I Is an obvious counter to that, but I don't know like Okay, it's yours. It's literally like the thing that the marshal uses in the That's his jetpack. This is like I don't think Han Solo broke it. No huh I don't know was the reasoning though. He just keeps it around because it looks cool Maybe he's like, but they don't know it doesn't work. Hmm. So I can fear it He'll never expect me to stay on the ground all the time Uh New year's eve was my birthday also firefly efat minis when That's not an impossibility. Maybe one day, but uh, it's not impossible. Happy birthday and merry new eve of year next Yeah Uh fringer, you are given a time machine That's only good for two uses and can only visit three different time periods. Do you prevent the? Port Arthur massacre Prevent the Tasmanian tiger from going extinct or prevent steve Owens death I feel like just in terms of the number of lives saved categorically you'd prevent the port Arthur And I guess when he says you can only do it two times you go there go back Presumably, yeah, but you could go there and then travel to another one of these things and Like save steve and then just stay in that timeline for Would you sacrifice your position and then here and now in order to save steve Owen? Um, I mean, I'd say yes, but it's a hypothetical so that doesn't really mean anything does it Oh Tells us a lot about you and the way that you think Well, I I'm saying that it doesn't mean anything and that that's easier said than none But you believe you would Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't really see the problem with going back to like 2005 2006, you know It's not that long Is one steve Irwin Irwin worth all the Tasmanian devils? um Steve Owen is was uh, like really Good in terms of like encouraging conservation and things like that. So There might be a thing to be made about him Uh, like him existing might be able to benefit a greater number of species in terms of conservation efforts than um Then the Tasmanian the hell, you know, the problem is if you stay back in 2005 you can make some other differences, couldn't you? That's that's true. It's starting to try you get stopped my 11 From 2005 Yeah You can invest in like google in 2005 get in on the ground floor Hey, would you I guess as another sort of like like little moral quandary Because I was listening to your you know listening to your logic on the Steve Irwin thing would you Sacrifice Hitler to save all the Tasmanian tigers. What about that? I don't understand what it means. What do you mean sack? He dies like it's uh, well, yes, but it's Steve Irwin No, but they'll would you bring What do you mean like that? I don't understand the scenario Would I go to save the Tasmanian tigers and never interact with Hitler? It's like, yeah When is one Hitler worth all the Tasmanian tigers? What in terms of him dead to bring them all back? Yeah, I don't understand the question like what is the what is the hypothetical? So that here wait wait wait wait wait breaking news in the chat Someone said Tasmanian tigers still exist. No, they don't This changes everything they've been extinct for like nearly a hundred years Liar propaganda. Are they thinking about Tasmanian devils? No, Tasmanian devils are still around. Yeah What about Tasmanian humans? Well, yeah, they're Tasmanian humans They're just Tasmanians Wow. Yeah, that's yes. That has yeah.  Why would you wait until it's cooled to butter it? Yeah, I don't wait until it's cooled because I like it if it melts it I feel yeah, I feel like I Yeah, I I'm trying to see what what is the advantage of waiting until it's cold I am legit curious. Maybe it's a preference. I mean would you If you're a strange person and you wanted your butter to not be melted I mean this preference is probably someone in chat right now saying they had to do it that way Right Like cold. Well, it's hot hot food hot I clearly hot like I obviously No This is objective. Yes Uh M&M eat your heart out and make space for Roberto What So I'll be out that one Whoa Do you think M&M watches movie Roberts reviews? Yeah Just one of the things that you sort of you would assume intuitively right M&M would watch them I can believe that M&M Watches movie Robert. There's some about it. That's just like yeah, I can just imagine that happening Would you watch jar jar binks movie our captain plasma? Yes This is our character banks Wait, are they asking if we would watch the captain plasma movie or jar jar banks because yeah, I know which one I'm choosing jar jar binks easily easily jar jar binks So much more interesting Imagine he is more interesting Jar jar is the key to all this plasma is just a tiny footnote in the history of Reviled Star Wars media Getting the key to anything Yeah, she sucks jar jar is Very instrumental to things So much potential for jar jar plasma though.  I don't say that Juan had the right idea.    Like, I don't know Oh my god this fine Uh mohla if jesus 2.0 were alive thanks to some ai merger Would a turing test be appropriate or what if the test is to see if the ai verifies humanity? Maybe duality both um What does that even mean jesus 2.0? but an ai Jesus 2.0 and an ai um And then you're asking like how would we verify it via the turing test? I don't think the turing test is going to be any way close to enough people for jesus 2.0 To verify that it was jesus for a lot. How does one verify that the ai is jesus 2.0? Yeah, I so I guess you'd have to have some kind of a test to I mean first off. Thank you for coming back when there's cameras now. Thank you That helps things a lot a lot that things that's makes things so much easier um But maybe you have to some kind of a test that can establish he can violate the laws of physics with magic I suppose maybe test his ability to make predictions with strict prediction criteria So that it's you know, like right proper prophecy um Maybe Yeah, I get you know, you should be able to do a lot of things if he is a Uh, if he is god powers, you know things that should be very easy for him to You know what? We wouldn't even have to worry about it. Yeah without his physical body to perform these miracles I think we're overthinking it a little bit.  It is you that's crazy You're so you're so robot-y I wouldn't have wow Strange question, but all right Uh fringledang What's up with my goo back before you get mad know that it's okay for me to say it Uh, I have a g would pass because I'm one eighth goo Also high metal. Oh, what's up my goo back? I guess is what he's calling you Yeah, but that's you can only say that view from the future All right, then Should I get a future g pass? um G pass is that what you give your homie your homie gets the g pass I don't know where he got it from rags. I wouldn't want to presume He also ended it with also high metal metals not even oh Racism that's rude if movibob with last galaxy brained he would be mr. Planket Even planket is loved by some people Yeah Yeah, it's mr. Planket All right, then Planket, I guess he's like a carpenter kind of like jesus All right Let's see why Is he like typically unloved or close to unloved mr. Planket What if jesus when he learned how to be carpenter I guess from his father I suppose if he just really really liked that and got a lot of You know like satisfaction and personal You know you felt like he got a lot of uh You know he really liked being a carpenter essentially and he's like nah, I just Do the whole jesus thing. I'm just gonna be a really good carpenter He became a world famous of world famous carpenter. He was just really good at it And that's how we knew him the greatest carpenter of all and he would tell like stories and things You know mixed quality and he'd be like, yeah Yeah, he'd be making like chairs and stuff while he told it Yeah, the kingdom of gods like a mustard seed also Notice the way that this uh the chair backing here slots into this peg and gives it good balance Like ah, yes, of course, of course Love mag rags more videos. You helped me fall asleep in a good way, of course excellent I know what you mean quality, yeah Uh, why did you allow cj to kill betty white with his jinxed tweet Well to be fair, he put the tweet out after everyone knew so I thought like I don't know like Or at least I thought everyone knew because I saw a lot of it on twitter and then I saw him tweet that out And I was like, oh, he basically just said like Um, this year is over finally like good things can happen or something like that It was before the year even ended Not only by british time, but uh american time for sure Here we go american time How typical american time Well, I mean a couple of them, but timmala Lappy new hair or hair Hail rags Hail I don't know what I did that bad, but okay I mean either I'm a little unsure about that. Not only did I finally quit my job in retail, but right before christmas Oh retail Hell right before christmas, but now I have a job that pays a lot better and allows me to play efap in the background Happy new year massives. Hi rags Oh, hello. Oh great. Enjoy Um, this time pretty good often get that many jobs that give you a chance for that Um, just neat when they do Stop running away from me Stop it Just because i'm invincible doesn't mean it Didn't fight me Love oh wait. Uh, I don't like rags.  Typically, right? I think so. Yeah I don't know.  Maybe What happened? We do the first one as well father of the mask Oh, yes Feels like a rick and morty bit And they're referencing movie bob's video And they can feel that way Don't look up me and my girlfriend loved it my call me boss loved it for completely different reasons My boss saw trump and I saw hillary good film Okay All right, I don't know I have no idea what's what's going on with that film then Ah, yeah, I got no clue Um end one china man each boom climate crisis solved. Oh my Uh, it's time for the planet to end jake skywalker Oh Guy wouldn't go as far as say they'll be out of character at this point That's the the star or the disney vision of him Uh screw timmy the tree. I want to sponsor roger the shrub Oh, I guess we're on high tops video then yeah You can you can sponsor robber the shrub if you want i'm not gonna You know stop here feel like everyone should get their reference money Money python reference. I I was gonna just say and I still think that as much as that might be true Timmy the tree was A lot going on there. We worked hard on getting him some sponsorships. You just want to choose to abandon him fine Not to die at this point Uh, the planet had its chance calbo baggins Get all superman could be relied upon for letting this world die. I'm sure Yeah Pay us $50 and we will absolve your climate sins We made it sound a little bit like that Uh, have y'all seen good time from the safties? No, but I've heard that film's good. I haven't you heard of it.  I lost catch up and uh, I had no idea who's jack murphy He's just a guy who's gone into a lot of stuff lately. That's strange Um Without getting more specific. Is he like Is he like a celebrity or an actor or a writer? He's a celebrity of some kind. I don't know what he's famous for but Yeah, there's um, I was made aware of it on good old friday night tights. I had no idea But quite the journey 2020 welcome to the tizmy 20s every year after the past years I've been very tizmy but this new year Happy 4th of july you massives and peace high rags Hi. Yeah, I think 2022 is gonna be great We're way better All kinds of great stuff's gonna happen. I guarantee it if it doesn't come true Uh, then I didn't guarantee it just now. I had my fingers crossed If you subscribe we plant a tree if you don't but yeah, yeah Uh rip betty white gone too soon massives. What are your new year's resolutions for 2022? Necromancy for betty white I don't really do new year's resolutions. I don't see it as like a any reason to Make something happen that I wanted to have happened anyway. I don't know I thought you're gonna be like I don't really do necromancy I will to be fair. I don't but I wouldn't want to discourage you.  That's what I wanted to say Sure But I understand that there are risks and you know, you don't want it to be a zombie But it could turn out that way and that you'll deal with it as best you can That's what's important. I think um Anyone else here got any Resolutiony stuff or no No It's a all right then It's just a different number on the end of the year same old same Uh, have you guys seen cosmonauts video about how he loves the movie because peter suffered? The people are psychos. I don't do with this anymore like Just convinced of it.  I just don't know how to do with it um Now machine the sun they harden in response to plot contrivances punches scripts. You can't critique me jack Well They're pretty useful Stop eating me. Uh Gemma 985 is a neat goblin incur him on efab Who wants to be mean to somebody I'm gonna restart could be lost a lie That'll be a forking out loads of money.  Thank you very much. Hi rags springy. How is australia? Uh, hi, uh, I don't know.  Oh Yes, it's the place How is it still convincing some people that it's real? I don't know some people just really double It's not hard to convince people that it's real because it is so It is because it is great argument typical Typical Um Huge issue in mcu since civil war is the no consistency of power level peter and iron man's in iron spider suit should dispatch dark and goblin in second Why Well, I mean goblin's really Strong goblin's a buff boy He is a buff boy And I mean iron spider like is not necessarily going to help you deal with the tentacle blades, you know Not the tentacle blades the tentacles themselves tentacles are real strong Yeah Oh, yeah, I don't know I just you if you can highlight for me a time where he's done something And then couldn't do it later for no reason. I'm all ears, but uh You can't find me Um, who's spoo to take is worse high top or blame the controller High top is cringe but blaming the controller made me angry. Why? Well, um, they're similar right the whole Spider-man should be axe and shouldn't be why all that stuff Who's more cringe?  It's like no No, it wasn't I don't know blames position.  Wait, wait 150.  I do I do I do remember now I'm still gonna say High top is a more frustrating Yeah, at least playing was like saying stuff you could engage with I think I guess I would agree with more or it's just more emotional manipulation in the case of the way that high top does it Yeah, it's just annoying A friend told me that jimmy fox can save an otherwise crap script tazam may say otherwise But he certainly has that charisma. They didn't let him in tazam too.  Yeah He he needs to the world without powers world without Spotted man, you know Has a one and two the purest of peter park is outside of ramy not like that stinky mcu um This is qq. Are there any are the two eddie brocks now with the venom symbiote now in the mcu? Would it somehow find spider-man and find other eddie? Or would it find flash? Uh, you can do whatever you want really.  I guess we'll find out I want to have a spider-man movie where uncle ben nearly avoids death during the whole film And then saying that was close every time high rags Hello, that would be funny.   Oh wait. Yeah efap reacts doubles star tracks. Sorry when y'all wrote novels Um Is that is that a separate question as to whether or not we've written also Then as for the star trek stuff, who knows what may happen in the future, but uh, no guarantees of any of that my rags Hello Do you prefer top or bottom when it comes to males bottom Sandman and lizards conclusions should have been lower priority since they were alive and turned good by the end of their respected films anyway Um, it's I guess these are these are multiversal Weird it's weird I don't know that They seem to only be aware of the basic information that they're all gonna die as to who should have been given focus I think they made their choices and they made them well I I figure we would make similar choices if we were told You've got all them Now um Make them give like like the idea of making green goblin the villain is just like yep that lines up quite well, I'd say I'm something of a villain myself, you know Oh, yes When I make a video rags. Yeah four months ago Oh Well, I mean however long it takes It would mean he's making the video. I don't know That's someone who takes aid just to make videos It's uh, it'd be it'd be a lengthy process sometimes Yeah Uh, best thing to come out of spider-man 3 was bully maguire. Yeah, that's a top tier meme.  Yeah, not that it's a great idea Like I don't want people to keep Taking that stance. That was actually really great. No, it was so funny and awesome and self-aware and Really great commentary.  Uh, here finding it heartbreaking. That's good, right? Because it is a really sad scene where he's It should be kind of heartbreaking. Yeah Because yeah, that's I think that's what the scene's going for Um And you know what it's okay that she thinks the time travel in any game works That's fine.  I haven't urged to punch a wall and the pain, please I I don't know what they're talking about specifically, but if you suffer you might become spider-man to be careful Some some clown on the chest that i'm behind but tragic loss is an essential aspect of being spider-man if you disagree You fundamentally misunderstand the character Remember if you have if you can shoot webs well this thing climb up walls and you have spidey scents And you have a good life with no tragedy. You know, you're not spider-man I feel like I do you one better if you respect the idea that with great power comes great responsibility And then you do all the things you just said you're still not spider-man until you've lost someone you love It's like i'm sorry You guys don't you see how arbitrary that is compared to the lessons he learns the character that he is Why is it that you're gatekeeping it onto the point where someone he loves has to die?   For it to be the true one And do you apply this standard consistently to other dancers? No Well, maybe batman maybe that like his parents have to die that might be something that people would say but You just think about anybody else What does the will have to be you could make a batman with his parents are just abusive and they're just horrible people Absolutely could yeah god damn We got the retards out and forced today rags is a man who could fly and shoot lasers from his eye automatically superman dark side Dark side equals superman because they have similar powers according to rags you can call him superman If they're if the character is called superman and he flies and he shoots lasers out of his eyes It's because he's called superman though. It's not specifically because he shoots lasers out of his eyes Yeah This first loser This first guy says i'm not wrong spider-man slash peter parker's character is defined by loss Dude, you can't prove what you're saying. How can you possibly say that you're definitely right? There's nothing to prove that trucking claims. That's all I hear all here is you just saying it It's all I hear is you're just saying it You can't prove that like how do you prove that something is a definitive attribute? Like what does that mean to prove that? Then it is categorical and inaudible Is henry cattle superman then i'm guessing not considering the things that he does Look at him. He's can't be calling him superman. Don't you dare?  That's not something superman would say He was called superman before that. Yeah before he did that Then he did it. Then he stopped being superman He shoots his eyes at the ship.  It'll never work Sorry So I'll get right on proving it. Let me go and get 40 years of spider-man comics and scan them in as superchats No, unacceptable. You have to have 500. That's the limit. It's that line. We've all agreed 500 is the limit It has to be even prove anything even if you did that that doesn't prove anything All it tells me is I'm assuming you can tell what my point is, right? Yeah, he's gonna be like 500. No, I think 40 years is enough and I'm like, no I think 10 years is enough. No, I think one month isn't And also you need to include all spider-man comics all of them superior spider-man Including the ones you don't like The mild spider-man stuff you need to include the other spider people characters every single appearance of him in everything Every single thing the other comics he appears into I don't care whether it's canon or not anymore.  It's really weird Miles isn't spider-man There it is. I don't get that one. What's the problem? You guys don't say this about wall-y west No, I'll stop saying it wall-y west isn't the flash. Okay Not Thank you for coming to my dead talk If that's the bullet you want to buy it then buy all means but They won't buy this Batman kill does he not kill?  They're so passionately doing that for The miles, but you wouldn't do it for the the snider versions of the characters The character the comparison for batman is perfect. It's essential to the character Thanks for making the argument for our side.  It wasn't a fatal gunshot He lives and lived a long life And maybe the whole thing with spider-man's story now is oh god I nearly lost you.  Oh, okay.   It would just be like, oh, yeah That's what he is in the comics for sure In this specific arc or like this But in particular time and this is the story that's being told doesn't really change anything Yeah, let's let's um I remember reading a spider-man comic where it was like the CEO of his own company Yeah, we don't like those ones though.  It's like what What does that mean? So was he not spider-man for a short period of time and then he became spider-man again I feel like this sells it if if Miles Morales isn't spider-man then Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill aren't Batman or Superman Well, then everything isn't yeah, except for like the very original one that existed Like Adam West can't be Batman. No That's some that's some crazy campy nonsense. That is definitely not Batman It's like if if you can have the dark night Batman and also Adam West Batman And I'm just like at what point is it so which one is not Batman? Let me let me know you guy you comic book Guys get back to us and let us know which one isn't the real Batman. I top said that um michael keaton batman isn't batman man like you're in trouble um That one I think is more agreeable for a lot of fans because he's too I think he's too he kills So it's it's bad. Right. All right. It doesn't like the original batman and we don't do that It's not the accepted one, right? Oh, okay. Oh, all right, of course. All right. Okay See like the true statement if it would be that batman not killing people Is a common element in many of his stories. That's a true statement to then just take the leap to therefore This is a definitive attribute of his character. It's like, what does that mean? The thing you said it's just quantifiable before it feels like it's a perversion of how we use it in single continuities The definitive part of Luke's character that cares about his family However, it is not a definitive part of Luke's character in a different adaptation I feel like people haven't Gathered that from how we've talked about all these different pieces of content, but that's how it's always been for us Get what what if batman's parents lived and his friends parents died instead and that was what motivated him Does can he still be batman? Well, it's just are you Is the implication that we're not allowed to do this or are you gonna say no you can it's just not batman Or like as a superman So what are you what are you why are you saying this like you're saying this for a reason And the reason is you're trying to de-legitimize the those things um That's like if somebody if somebody wrote a if there was a a redo of the lord of the rings movies And gandalf turned out to be corrupted and saruman turned out to be the good one Then automatically not lord the rings. I mean how It's I don't know I I'm not sure it's just a I would argue it's like it's they've adapted it and they've changed some stuff But this doesn't prevent the story from being excellent from all we know mm-hmm Um, and yeah, I we've been over so many times and we'll just have to keep going over it People will continue to be angry at us for this take, but I don't I've never been convinced by the arguments I mean if we even get arguments, which we generally invested in In terms of like there's nothing that my stuff rests upon with this because like I don't really care like like, you know, if someone's like if I talk about miles morales from into the spider-verse Someone like said legally. I'm not allowed to refer to him a spider-man. I'd be like, okay I can still talk about how great that film is I guess uh make because because I think The the reason why I think people get really attached to this one is just the idea that there is something that you dislike About a level of legitimacy being given to something that you feel is like not an apt interpretation of the character that you like Um, so I mean for instance, I don't like the new style of like the Ratchet and Clank games in terms of like narrative and tone I definitely prefer the older games where they had um There's definitely an edgier sense of humor a bit more bite um And then like a movie comes out that's based on the more modern interpretation And yeah, it's all like happy go lucky and kid friendly. It's like well, that's annoying But that's all it is annoying like I can't really make an argument in favor of why that's worse Or like necessarily worse because it's different Like any argument for how it's worse would need to be based strictly on what it is And then the comparison to what I think is better would have to be on the basis of its merits rather than that They're different. I feel like that's the fundamental disconnect It being different isn't good enough When someone said when does an adaptation go too far It's like well if we're talking what does it mean to be a good adaptation and if we've defined that as as accurate as possible Then at that point It's spread to the end point.  It's like a terrible adaptation. It's barely an adaptation at all However, that doesn't affect how well written it is Which is the position we've had forever Until I'm argued out of it. I'm gonna keep saying it They're arguing character on what it means to be spider-man and they're wrong So like if you watch a film and they say here's sloop over He's called spider-man like that's it. That's the end of the conversation Yeah, like we We can't actually be wrong in the sense of Referring directly to what is written as his name in that universe Yeah, like take a film like 12 Angry Men. One of the jurors is called spider-man. It's like I guess we're calling him spider-man then What's his name? Maybe like well, he's not really spider-man. It's like well, that's what he's called Yeah, I don't know what he wants to do at that point Uh, so that's obviously an argument that works in favor of miles But then when you get to the whole like spider-man's a mantle you have to earn and or rather no Spider-man is something you can only have if your name is peter parker. That gets really strange And then for the spider-man is only something you can be if you have these attributes or this backstory Is spider pig spider-man? I'm guessing not. He's spider pig. No, he's he's not That's how it'd be justified. He's different. That's the thing. I've never Do you see me like I'm I don't have that component in me that's like calling him spider-man like I don't know. I don't you know Spider-man must be a great ape Peter porker. Oh, yes Why can't yeah, why can't spider-man species be ambiguous? Yeah, he could be an alien, right I don't see why not if if if if uncle if uncle bin the alien If uncle bingo or Bindar My name is retest shot by a laser beam I I just I man spider and I'm from the planet alien Planet alien Literally, I always said that it's like the first stories for both of them reflect like what they end up being which is spider-man learns About responsibility for an action he takes that is bad action Usually and then Batman usually learns all of it from having seen his parents die It's like but obviously you'd agree then that the important part is what they learned not the event lesson Not how they learn the lesson And so we should have freedom at the very least because I'd go further than this But at least you can agree right that we can make them learn that lesson in many ways Right Like if I did everything the same in your favorite Batman comic Except for the fact that his parents Were brutally injured and in a coma Does is that okay still are we okay? So obviously I want to push it further than that but I just want to make sure it's like even that as a change Is that okay? Yeah, I don't know because like the the funny one for us has always just been so I want to see uncle ben dead and you're like God Why can't yes spider-man can learn the lesson of great power rate responsibility By witnessing the positive impact that his actions have on those around him You know, you don't have to learn that lesson through some horrific tragedy No, the idea that that's the only way he can learn this left If we can be kind of ridiculous matter for a second That's kind of what's happening with the audience the idea is that we're supposed to be learning about this message Without having to deal with the fact that our parents get killed or guardians, whatever Because stories have morals typically and I feel like that's what spider-man's going for And that um, I don't understand why it wouldn't be considered something of a story about how all of us have that You know agency within us Does it I would argue the spider-man where aunt may die saying stuff about responsibility and power is not the real Spider-man story because spider-man story is defined by aunt may being alive and helping him these people can't be saved I don't want to do that Well, are these they can