Going on everyone Sam here with lane sports cards have been 23 tops archives baseball hobby ten box case number four random team style I don't think so bone. I don't think it did fun. There's a look again at your random results As always you can find these on the website under the results tab as well as a link in chat It's gonna look everybody not really not really chub. Yes some days some days are more than others But some days no rest for the wicked walley. What's up, buddy? That's right We are wicked Wicked spot block for the night. We were told we were told the thunder thunder plus six and a half from con man on Oh 3d glasses forgot about those.  Yeah, blue Paul Blackburn and Brooks Yeah, we're gonna say they think I got a I got a stash comb another day to me it was gifted to me So the stash is about the right about to improve Sorry already very good stash already a very very good stash and now it's just gonna get better It's true. It's gonna get better countdown the hours like it. There you go. I love it, dude If you move chat YouTube said of on you just got jingled If I'm getting moderated so on tiktok and beat over 45 points and rebounds and bills under five assist, huh? They're only taking a tiktok bet. No, you know Spencer slammed it down on that parlay when he saw that Yeah, we scored first. What are we even? What are we asking other people Spencer? Who's scoring here first bucket? Yeah, and beat and beat points rebounds and assist is usually like 50 something which is so yeah, that's not dude I mean, I guess you're going against one of the better defenders. So ridiculous maxi sabonis XGA first bucket. I love it. Nick. Love it, Nick First bucket man That one sucks because it's like as soon as the first bucket goes in that's over 30 second bad It's fun if it wins though. Yeah.  Good God, man Can't believe that's who we hire. I really can't that's just that it man Don Mitchell first basket three-pointer. Oh, Raleigh.  There's no basket for three minutes. That's not all right. God, dude Yeah, I know you told me about that yesterday Nick chili Davis for the Giants. Let's go That's on that. Hey got this baby boomers of Brett Beatty We're in trouble if it's not Nice second auto is gold one-of-one Ryan Sandberg for the Cubs going to Vaughan. Oh One-of-one Ryan Sandberg congrats on that man. Let's go Vaughan One-on-one Rhino. Why not can imagine these are not easy to hit out of this Is it all question? Yes That is pretty clean Vaughan. Let's go Vaughan. Kings of Swing is Albert Fools. Yeah, we might own this one Green Michael Bush to 99. All right. Not bad. I'd say you probably nag the runner gross, dude Well, yes, thank you Spencer, but I'm saying out of the product and generally bought You troll there's a lot of there's a lot of this stuff out there. There's Spencer Stu observation from the Michigan man. All right, everybody 2021 25 available in the first two 2020 and then five and then 26 in 21 8 time will be forced. Yes for us tomorrow I did somewhat I did say I did say nice move on to a Wade Vibes auto yesterday a tier one that was Not close stop Danny. All the division winners. Let's go That's not bad actually you got to wait a little bit for it. Hey, you get them, right? That's gonna be Probably awesome Not the heart at like six. Yeah, I mean there's a couple of give-ins. I would think too No, like you got to imagine like Because AL East who knows The central everybody stinks, so whatever Pick the best of the worst the AL West I mean you think Houston, but you would have if you bet Houston last year you would have lost because of Texas so The NL East part of the Braves Pirates the central pirates Yeah, I don't know if you pick in the central the NL central the central's both stink dude, my god Did you pick the Cubs in the NL central just councils there now because like the brewers might be done The bird the brewers can start trading guys at the deadline You think oh did he sit with the oh Houston did win the division last year my bad my bad Thanks for the nights. I don't have anything yet. Oh, I got nothing so far. I Don't know I haven't really looked Busy today Hell and I know that shows for the talent goes to die. Yeah, probably Twins, that's not there. Yeah You can Spencer's wishes, but not a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah, that's true flight Leading looters Ozzie Smith. That is Brandon inch for the Tigers. What a card man.  It's really not that bad honestly This stuff. I don't mind. They're a cheater to 50. I just won there for the years Red the only problem with this stuff is the packs are a pain That's the only thing about this sticker. Yeah, the plastic sticker. It's like more supposed to be that wax peel From the 80s 80s and beyond that is it Brian Wilson. Nice one Giants the beard Congrats. I got this at a two hours per box The four autos in two boxes ain't bad take it We will take it Oh, it's a two hours. Never mind. No good. Go to Anderson. It's two hours. There you go on. I Could I was gonna say I couldn't remember if it was one or two per I'll be there to me foil of Jonathan India. Better be there to 199. I'll be there. Oh, yeah channel to me Maddie Want to Florida this summer nice mom. Very nice. Oh, yeah stash will be on LSE to tomorrow. Oh, yeah You'll be getting trolled By Sean True, but they are upside down Do that it says to on card autographs per box it doesn't actually good It does it does Chains you within national we do need a chance you do You wouldn't both let the national 3d glasses I guess I just do it. I'll do a dice roll for each of the each of them that we do For the Corbin Carroll and Michael Harris will do this one two three will be Corbin Carroll three Four five six will be Michael Harris on those That's gonna be a one gonna go to Corbin Carroll So all those will go to Corbin Carroll and then define another one. It's like it's like Yoshida and somebody I think Yoshino Connie Yeah, we'll just do a separate dice roll for each of those Did I tell you about that on Friday? Both of us top-loading for me and we pulled out all these number for the All day a schemes. Oh, it's already going.  That's what it is. Thank you And we were like Obviously, I'll let me don't boyfriend. Let me don't boyfriend. Let me don't boyfriend I look at both.  He's dead in the eye and goes now. She has a crush on me I'm like, all right Like what did you say when you saw her at the LSU game and Vaughn goes and chat he goes He just said hi Hi Legendary response though true That was that was great, man Thanks to the sub there John both emerge I guess I'm done Yeah, that's what he's he told his teammates. I think and it got a locker room. Yeah, but I Don't think it's been formally announced. I mean, I mean as much as I guess now. Yeah, he hasn't formally announced it, but All uh old shafted in weight. I feel like he's retired before hasn't I Think they're speculating Kyle picking up a bowman's best spot. Thank you, buddy. It's best tomorrow. Oh, yeah Absolutely We had Larry picking up a bowman's best you delight the Wisconsin Badgers Daryl picking up a bowman's best random team spot as well So thank you all because they kings of swing people want so Tim Kirkshin that'll be a random at all to the end. Oh I swung there congrats on that good luck to everybody on the Tim Kirkshin auto and Kent Erbeck for the twins on card auto as well Timmy It's obvious goes go back a few minutes. No love for my reds. I can I can rock with the reds. Yeah, I think they're Rock with the reds. They're good young team. I wouldn't hate to see in the reds at all Just seeing the amount of thumbs-downs Jason Spencer got last night from Sean Wild Freddy Freeman to 1.99 Just every time I was a thumbs down sounds about right, I guess Yeah, I was going when I was going back and watching chat replay on you guys from last week. Okay, 99 is Jorge Mateo Nice one there For the Orioles. I saw one of forest comments goes questionable mods in here. Yeah Yeah, it is I deputized a few people maybe shouldn't have We did get we did get jump on that pretty quick though one time. So that's good Nothing wrong with that at all Baby boomers J-rock Fourth place for the reds. Geez Nah, he's thanks He's trash, right? I don't think Kyle likes him either. No. No, Kyle hates that guy. No, so he said he said He said his franchise back Until we won yesterday Yeah, true You see the graphic of Baker where it was like exactly one year ago today He was running as defensive end I did see that Scout team for the Panthers I did see that actually Yeah, that is a that's not a very good use of Baker made in there Hello, Rich Imagine your Panthers that you go from having a basically taupe Playoff caliber quarterback to being like no, he's not good. We're just gonna cut him. Yeah And then draft the wrong one Draft the wrong to be at least a start Yes, they're really good at Yeah Yeah About one pack. I was like, all right, that's not gonna work for Can't be disappointed if you don't expect anything there we go Spencer true That is true Was Donnie humble at work. He was actually very humble. Yeah, I don't think Donnie was expecting much It was not thank you James picking up the white socks it wasn't expecting much out of the birds be best Yeah, no, they nobody was Yeah, you can I read the last one here one of the last ones. Yeah, you can John yeah, huh? What's up, buddy? We are back Minus a hundred and ten. I don't know what you said It was cowshaws that mines a hundred and ten Hundred and ten That's not gonna win. Yeah, that's right Spencer. That's right. I believe so Thomas. Yeah, see myself got me up and Got me a mustache coma. That's pretty good. Must be doing all right. That's right.  Don't you worry the auto is equal to ran for the Rangers to ten one of ten Grats on that. There you go rangers three until it hits Next game for the magic is tomorrow against Atlanta. That's a magic dub Chalk that one up in the W column for the magic Is it in Atlanta? Trish and classes? Yeah in Atlanta. They are three and a half point feasts Really? Yeah No, no, they're not respecting the magic right now. They're not for good reason. It's very hurt detrain for the Marlins Nantra Willis. Hell yeah Grats on that Miami. That's sweet Can't lose Miami with plus 6,000 odds Hey fair Fair it's got a C1 got a C1 hit Spencer for sure Purple island wants a lot of 50 homers in a season. It's the fun fact on here to 199 for detrain. Yeah, that's kind of Dolos Garcia Nice one fired. We did hit this actually First one we've pulled I think this year like the Super Frac. They're one-of-one auto of Ryan Sandberg Yeah, so just like low-numbered autos. I would say it mostly So toke. Oh We doing 3d glasses No chilling need to be in the vault wave shipping for the Rhino. No tokes a big tokes big cubs guy. Yeah Is not so much cards What is any Evan Carter Chase is not really today? I don't think He's in mostly pain. He's still so far. Yeah, and then 2020 draft, I believe. Yeah, yeah Yeah, not so much true. Nothing today. I don't think true. Unfortunately. He'd be in Bowman's best I'd imagine I'll be in Bowman's best. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't Prospect auto sold out on Bowman drop the jumbo freaking after this Yeah, I'm nervous for the game man. I'm very nervous stressed about that Tigers have a good checklist who they have they have Keith Keith in it or no As a personal. I don't know offhand yet drew Once uh once it releases and we start getting it. We'll have a better idea if you want to shoot us in the email Really? No Evan Carter. I'm surprised in bed It's kind of shocking and get Randy Johnson photography though. I want RJ 51 photos What's up Everybody plenty of breaks still available today six of them to be exact with spots still remaining tonight Start getting those sold out 10 box Tuesday baseball still got some spots 20 20 Bowman Jumbo four boxers well as 23 PC black That Evan a Chick-fil-A. That's sweet dude. No, he already uh, he already did enough against my raisin though He really did on the play. Oh, he went he missed one at bat. I think he didn't have a hit Matthew with a couple of moments best got mr. Victor with a TC black spot. Thank you, buddy So we're down to 19 to go on that now 19 to go on tops chrome black. Yeah, I see the Jason Jason Josh dual auto Max green jays young Riley green nice nice. I love it Spencer That is to 25 Machanigar I'm one of those freaking Yoshida ones. There's got Tony Gwynn some Diablo, huh? Oh nice. All right, Toc Let's go Toc. Bo Nailer baby boomers auto. I just went there for the Guardians that's Cleveland. Just crying a bit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I love it last week for season two. It's got Madden I stink dude. You know freaking bad at Madden. Oh Yeah, the Sean's been challenging everybody. Yeah, everybody who has some sort of system you're 99 mark with wire edgy Jackson Sean won't smoke right now. That's the game. I will not trash talk Cuz I stink certainly losing time for sure true Enough turnovers in my day on that.  It's kind of cool Yeah, and Hunter Pence for the Giants on the auto. Congrats on that one that San Fran Frank always hits in this man. It's three autos for them so far. Chilly Davis, Ryan Wilson now Hunter Pence He's three hybrids in a Helen My boys 300 career doubles and nine career triples Predictions on lines, but Matthew appreciate your buddy fire the cannons Eric with a couple spots tomorrow Matthew with two spots and TC black that is down to at 17 to go now Everybody's 17 to go on TC black. Let's get the other two baseball filled up again Ten bucks Tuesday is gonna be freaking looted man. Do it did Definitive come on, you know me to Support the team I'm surprised even give him six to be fair. Yeah They won't Yeah, they won't know they won't look over to me. Oh, they won't be called conversion Somebody who forgets check-in probably Yeah, play off bakers. It's a whole different whole different monster. Don't worry about Spencer He'll be there. I'll be there Played on one foot and no ribs yesterday Get it Vaughn. Oh, oh Yeah, I've been card'll hold me in top 24 for sure Yeah, should be four autos I'd imagine At least the base checklist. Hell, yeah, prism checklist prism checklist prism checklist This pirate sign and outfield are named Iverson Allen. Iverson Allen. I love that dude. I could cook James Bradbury and Kevin Byrd Probably it's true. It's Spencer running up and down the sidelines probably could Free sale started today. Let's go. I can't wait for series four or series one man. I love I love when flash chips come out I really do freaking awesome some breaks of that Says three on back it that's weird. It's gonna be a weird like set up that if it's three. Hello, Jayce. Hello, Jayce Who that? Zeke Otovar rookie auto for the rocks. I don't love that design of tops. Oh wait, or sorry. Oh, nine. Oh wait Yeah, I think it is today. I got a long order. Oh, yeah Hell, yeah, it's taco Tuesday. All right.  That's pretty solid That's pretty solid. We'll take that all day Sounds pretty sick That's like something same. We pull hopefully red Carlos great a 50 Connor Joe nice one there for the pirates that's pirates I don't know Stop though Gabby Moreno At least if we win we don't have to worry and if we lose it's over with Green hobby bias to 99. Yeah, it's usually two per mini box. Yeah hill toppers Randy Johnson.  Oh, you love hobby Spencer. That is like you have a hobby by his jersey on probably on right now As a matter of fact Probably it's probably currently on you Javi and Austin Meadows, baby. Yep 21 to go in 2020 Bowman at baseball 21 to go on that one Definitive at 25 25 to go on definitive. I mean not definitive 25 to go on 10 bucks to say which has definitive in Excited for that No, yeah, I know you're sure I'm ready to roll Ready to roll 3d glasses seven row. Come on. Oh, is there tennis that's having all the open really? Oh, yeah Very nice boy in it Rinky Rinky's in there. I guess I did Took the L last week, but he's ready Always got to go for the Australians in Australia true more More reason to win a little more hard Jonathan Chrome basketball you come nice Yes, so It's like some chrome basketball That was the number three. So a couple of them listed for Friday. Nice I'm a chrome university basket bowl. No, you lose loose and like we have like one case Bowman draft choice No, there's not I don't think there's gonna be any more of those Yeah, probably not unless again unless we get more do you see Jared Gough did the Give the fans in the car the thumbs up.  I'm not It's not Spencer's profile. They're already be honest It's kind of ridiculous. I'm kind of surprised on that as well and I say that Think it would be thank you Jonah thinking Justin picking up the Niners and a bunch of absolute breaks appreciate you But again, that also releases tomorrow going to boom hunting Oh, we are oh, yeah Yeah, I think the Niners fans feel pretty good about that NFC Well card round one is they get Dallas out of the way. They got a lot of labels. Yeah, right Mine's definitely one of their bigger concerns now Packers are serious though Packers are good Packers are good Yeah, I wouldn't be terrified if I was David versus Matthews true What do we think it's a music one of that? Oilers stay hot I think so orange Byron Buxton to 15 15 of 15 for the twins more about Eagles or bucks That McNeil number crunchers and see you like I Would say it's more about the bucks winning Eagles fans are certainly the opposite way Play homes siriani for everything on the auto for the Yankees nice one. Now the Yankees close up It's all siriani's fault Carrera can wall the Chuck rookie auto for the Acer Schipes guy Kind of wall the Chuck Play home is really not that you're a down when you got a Pittsburgh. Yeah, that'll happen. Yep That'll happen. It's like four points opposite. Yeah, just get into New York. That's Jared golf Golf statue outside for the field. I'm putting a Dan Campbell statue before I put a jar of golf. Yeah, I could do both true Camel and In golf I'm glad in two at 190 on jerry golf riders shoulders Like a little baby pop a Dan the dual statue just like a color blast. Yeah, honestly Like to have with Peterson and foals and The bills regain your confidence It's gonna be a different a different animal with Casey coming to town And baby boomers of Riley green Shawn was saying all Sunday saying those are gonna win Shawn's a loser in it all Sub DJ stop DJ From the loser for rooting for the bills who does that who roots for their division rival What are we doing? Hey, man, the Ravens got knocked out. Can't wait to want the bangles to win. What's yeah Yeah, ask these two ask these two and chat. Yeah, would you guys root for the Packers if the Lions get knocked out? No, oh, yeah, no Spencer loves Jordan love but it does love he loves Jordan. He was talking about how good he is He's probably one of the best in the league right now Accurities Riley green Jared Right see, thank you. There you go.  I don't want I probably put together bone Very in bill. Yeah, let's go DJ. Let's go box. That box did look good. The box looked very that's a very good team right now No, that is okay. Okay. I will say in College, it's different in college. It's different Wally like I asked Jeremy Yeah, I guess that's a different. Yeah, Jeremy is a die-hard Penn State fan Penn State alum and I said would you root for Michigan in the Natty against Washington? For the Big Ten and he said if it wasn't Michigan, he would root for the Big Ten team So if it was Ohio State, you would root for Ohio State before Miami, there's no chance I'd be for Miami, right, right. There's no way Clemson, they did beat us for a while. So I don't know I wasn't I wasn't a big Clemson fan at that time But right I understand why now. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be stoked about it But if it was like Clemson verse like or how state or something. Yeah, I would probably go climb. Yeah root for your You'd want your conference to win, you know, maybe we're at that point be rid of the ATC Yeah, they did block Mike had a touchdown for sure you draw. I know it was a couple dropping stolen by 20 Mike Evans any time touchdown. I was gone. Yeah, he had it. Thanks Mike. He's gonna fall right in Die hard Iowa fan root for Washington. Yeah, fair Yeah, against the I Don't know I guess If it's a team you don't really care about it's not like it's not like a die-hard rival you like would You'd what's it called you would I'd say you'd root for That I was gonna say no problem cat.  Yeah, good stuff 24 to go on 10 bucks now everybody No, I I completely understand. I know I know a lot of other people that root in conference in finals I don't personally I wouldn't but I know a lot of people that do you want out you want your conference to win Keith law That's a random to all right. Yeah, I think so Keith law. Yeah, that's right. Pretty sure I'll double check that one see if there's any team in the checklist, but the Packers and Cowboys Special assistant GM of the Blue Jays Oh tree Turner flip-stop or not flip but like Was that reverse? Yeah backwards whatever they're nice one there for the Phillies foil Michael Toggle at a 199 It was Bryce Harper's favorite player It was Bryce Harper's favorite player Because that's why they got him So good move good on Philly for that Packers and Cowboys would have both lost That's pretty happy that went That is baby boomers of Vinnie Pascantina Keep on foil of Willie May's Bleacher Reachers That is a Barry Zito auto nice for the A's that's dope to 25 very you know Wait, I'm gonna just double check that Checklist Yeah, not associated with any any team. So yeah, that'll be a random as well There's it was a league leader in three things over his career One was losses in 2008 Jesus and games started for the A's and no three Losses that's not a good thing to lead Keith was our construction teacher.  That sounds like an innocent person. Yeah, man Like you can't ask what I did but You also can't get me. I didn't do anything wrong, but if I'm investigated and I did something wrong You can't fire me high IQ play right there. That is kind of a high IQ play Donnie. Oh boy. It's going on sir 1721 24 20 26 No, like me. Yeah, it's here. You've you've also kind of been out on the Eagles for last like month, too You've kind of like yeah It's crazy how fast it went to Coaches are gone. Let's get started over Coaching stinks coaching stunk Yeah, I think that just goes through a good Stikin was Stikin or how do you say it and cannon to get in to it because look out look at the detail Not fell off a cliff, but played significantly worse than it did last year Yeah, yeah Island or not Lane by Donnie LVB is doing It's been 40 minutes. What are they doing? I'm not their strategy and legal company. Yeah Don't go home good Lots of things to go to bed it's an hour until the bedtime. It's true Big to Zito. Hello forest big Zito. Good Lord. What is happening? What is happening? It's in my home's helmet crack explained evidently. Oh really, I Thought it was you know force Probably kind of like a physics situation. Yeah Oh, thank you, Alexandra's picking up a TC black spot Thank you, buddy. Now it's 16 to go on that's almost halfway sold out and then we've got good old 2020 Bowman and then ten bucks Tuesday. That's all we have black for baseball I should say for baseball ten bucks Tuesday basketball is still alive as well big Zito big Zito I'm going for some big Zito right now. I'm starving. Yeah Rigmatics No Yeah, I know that'll make themselves useful Rob Sepeda nice one Giants Congrats on that. How we doing got this the multi bats. I love it How snowy is rookie Otto? Oh, yeah, congrats on that one there The double Big Mac is back. God. It's a double big man. Yes. There is four patties Ricky Henderson leading leaders. Don't keep stacking like that No, no, no, it's too additional. I say like we kept stacking. It's that's gonna get large Now return to the Mac. Let's go boys are buzzing about this boys are buzzing about this information It's getting the people going right there. I say it might be too much bread if we quad stack at all Yeah, the bread and the bread would not be more bread is not good No, no, no same 17 buns. That's right. Still must grow to 99 for the Padres I'm agreeing. He's one extra slice of cheese. Oh, man. No to ask for it. Yeah, that's a big thing though The McDouble difference to the double cheeseburgers. Yeah slice of cheese, but yep Makes a big difference big difference. I need that cheese big difference Jake been on barrel that Jake's not here today Thomas. So My opinion, you know It was maybe too little sand. Yeah, he was Glowing last night when he came in at like 1240 And I got back from the game Yes, and in chrome dust. This is like archives dust Michael Harris rookie. I don't know what that is, dude I don't even know what I'm sneezing at. Yeah, you don't want to know. No, I don't I do not Hey, Rod and to va to va Got to Martin G with a TC black Alexandros with a 2020 Bowman Krista with UNC and Bowman Chrome University basketball and Peter with two in TC black.  Someone's just saying that jumbos are still yeah Yeah, Sean was dying from the front. He was a when we got home and played Madden.  No, no, no. Yeah, see it like I had to I had to decipher that and then we got Joey Bart Yeah, Joey Bart. Oh boy. It's my time to decipher that. Good Lord. Good Lord. She's a ghost Oh, no other tops chrome spot taken. Hi, Ryan W. Ryan Be Ryan B to the Ryan. I Will say I like Jane Reed for apologizing for selling my parlays. Did he really? Zero zero zero catches zero touchdowns. All right, but they still won by I'll move down to like 13 to go on TC black Ten ten to go on TC black. Was that not was it was from Chick-a-pea Jacob. Thank you, buddy It's up shorts up shorts. Yeah, he did not look happy last night. No, yeah, he was he was like Real nice heartfelt good-bye. I think seem like Well last run there, and you can't do much better for a center. That's uh, that's true. It's very true Hold the set on his career for sure. Which number seed is more vulnerable? Uh-oh Connor Cappell 299 Yeah, I Didn't see that to one Yeah, it's probably not fun for him. No He's just got an army crawl 700 pounds of people on him three three Defensive tackles all just right I haven't at you probably going straight into your head.  No, it sounds awful This is archive shorts archives baseball. Yeah, okay. It's busy boy. Kyle Tucker to 50 10 of 50 for the Astros It's one there Houston and my togglia rookie auto for the Rockies from Tampa Is he really this one that says yeah, it's kind of cool. Maybe boomers of the Francisco Alvarez Yeah, a few Rockies all those yeah, yep Base I do a couple of randoms here We've got the Tim Kirchen and Keith law I'm gonna do one random for the bolt of these the top team will get the Kirchen and the second team will get The law in order of how we pull them so we ensure that two different teams will each get an auto somebody doesn't double up All right, everybody gonna roll the dice whatever team is on top after seven times We'll get the Tim Kirchen auto and the team in second. We'll get the key flaw. So one two three four five six seven Yankees will get to the Kirchen and the blue jays will get the law. So Yankees Kirchen and blue jays law Quick recap here Autos we had Michael toglia Kyle Stowers Orlando Sepeta Ken Waldechuck Clay Holmes Conor Joe Zeke Otovar Hunter Pence Don'trell Willis he Kent Herbeck Brian Wilson, that's Brandon Inge Bo Nailer Chili Davis Conor Cappell to 99 Zeke O'doran to 10. I believe you have to 10 very zero to 25 and one of one Ryan Sandberg I'll do it for the break everybody. Thanks again for the fill up next. We've got bowman drive jumbo


Hello and welcome to this British Library event presented in partnership with Penguin Live. I'm Brett Walsh of the Cultural Events Department and as you can see I'm not in the library, I'm in my sunny garden in South London, but the library is now open to readers and we'll be opening our exhibition spaces in the next few weeks. So if you do want to come and see us please check out our website to book your place. Now tonight is the first in a double bill of events exploring nature and the environment. There's still time to book your place for the second event which will be Anita Seti and that will be starting at 8 o'clock. Anita will be in conversation about her new book, I Belong Here. So there's more info on this and a link to book your tickets just below the video. But for now it's my pleasure to welcome you to this conversation between Dara McUnulty and Lucy Siegel. Dara is going to be talking about his award winning Diary of a Young Naturalist which is out in paperback today. Before I hand over to Lucy I've just got a few points of housekeeping for you. We will be taking public questions so if you'd like to put a question to Dara please submit it using the form below the video. Also if you'd like to order a copy of the book you can do so using the menu just above the video here. You'll also find a feedback button and a donate button in that same menu. Your feedback is really important to us and the British Library is a charity so we really appreciate any donations you can make. So our chair tonight is Lucy Siegel.  She is written for The Observer and she's known as the green reporter on the BBC's one show. She was an executive producer on the Netflix documentary The True Cost which is about sustainability and the fashion industry. And she's also the co-host of the podcast series So Hot Right Now which has featured some fantastic guests including Sir David Attenborough. I really hope you enjoyed this conversation tonight so without further ado I hand over to Lucy and Dara. Thank you. Good evening and thank you so much for virtually attending this very special event and for the British Library for staging it. It's such a thrill for me to be able to interview Dara McNulty tonight. I enjoyed his book Diary of a Young Naturalist. There's the hardback version but the paperback version is out today. So this is a bit of a celebration as well. I found the book so resonant and I kind of wished that it had been around when I was much younger because it really for me made sense of that kind of passion for nature but of all the things that you're putting together and being very specific to one landscape. And in a way it is the story of Dara's love of the landscape that he grew up in and has observed so closely and I'm sure we can agree his powers of observation are quite astounding as is his ability to write. So it's a great thrill to meet him tonight albeit virtually. I hope one day that I can go and see the landscape that he writes about myself. Anyway Dara is a naturalist, a writer and crucially for me as well an environmental campaigner. He's the youngest ever winner of the RSPB medal and he won the Wainwright Prize for UK Nature Writing in 2020 with the book Diary of a Young Naturalist. He's worked with Chris Packham, the RSPB National Trust and the Wildlife Trust. He's an ambassador for the RSPCA and the Jane Goodall Institute as well as making films and radio programs for the BBC. He lives in Northern Ireland, he was in Ramana and now I think he is the star of the county down. We'll hear more about that I'm sure and we also need to remember that he is still I think in full-time education so he's managing a lot of stuff. Good evening Dara and thank you for making the time to talk to us this evening. It's a great thrill. Thank you so much. Hearing those compliments sometimes makes me want to curl up inside. Writing has been that passion of mine and something that's driven me forward for a long, long time and especially in this beautiful, beautiful place of county down. It is just magical and I'm sure we'll talk about this throughout this chat but it is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. It differs from Ramana, it's different but it's new and exciting for me and I'll be excited to share it with you in my book which I'm so happy is now in paperback form and to be able to put it out into the world to a much wider audience because it's what I've I was wanted to do always was to try and share my voice because it was the way that I felt I can make a difference in the world was through writing. And so to come this far now just it makes me so, so happy inside. Yeah, and it really has been we were talking a little bit just before this event started that the hardback copy came out in May 2020, which will live long in the memory for a variety of reasons, most of which are not good. But the one thing that people kept saying, you know, across across these islands people kept saying that they had woken up to nature in a way that they haven't before. So your book has been extremely beneficial during that period for a lot of people I know because they told me personally. That must feel good. It does and releasing that book and lockdown. In some ways, it was really really difficult because I couldn't go out to bookshops and see do book signings and all of that and see it evolve physically. But what ended up happening was it almost became something for people to read while they were in lockdown because not a lot of books were being published. It was, it was quite difficult for to publish books during lockdown. That almost made my book in a way stand out with the nature that everybody was now looking at because that most their lives have receded away. It was nobody was working and there was no you couldn't go out anywhere. So you went to nature and we spent most of our lives for those months out in nature and to almost my book coming out at that time was almost showing people how I usually see the world. They were just going into that experiencing nature as a full time viewpoint. They were almost being baked into it for the first time. And my book was sort of about living that life all the time. Because in a way, if you're not used to it, you need or you become removed from it because in the daily, you know, hustle and bustle of life and lots of people commuting long distances working, you know, really long hours. You almost need permission to connect with nature. It can feel quite like a sort of slightly odd even slightly forbidden in a way. And I think because you are so absorbed and you write about it in such an immediate way it kind of gave a lot of people permission just to let it happen around you don't need to have any particular response at first. You might just decide just to sit and watch and be restful and still. So, but the place I kind of wanted to start was, when did you realize that you could write about nature. Like when did you realize that you had this ability to catalog what was happening in the natural world around you. I don't think that there was a real point of realization because for me it was just a part of my way of life was writing because I needed to be able to write because I couldn't express my way in any other form. Talking was almost impossible for me before I started writing. All of the other art forms I was horrific at. So, I just went for writing and so that became that way that I could almost express myself and put my words, instead of crashing about my head which where they can do a lot of damage. A surprising amount of damage that if we don't actually get the ideas are in our head out somewhere or anywhere. They just sort of rattle about in there and so writing was that way for me. And so it just became a part of my daily life and because I was out in nature so much. Nature became the subject of my writings more than anything else because I like to write about what was familiar to me and nature was the most familiar. And just on a sort of practical level, do you take a little notebook with you? Do you record stuff? Do you write like, you know, when you're trying to write in the rain with a biro? I mean, how do you or do you just remember things and do you write every day? Do you kind of download what you've seen? What's your kind of process like I suppose? So I've got a few different ways that I'll do it. Sometimes I'll take notebooks out into the field of me and do it that way and record my observations as they happen. But more likely because I'm really, really forgetful. I relate to that. I'll write everything. I don't, I forget things, but I cannot forget memories. So I will then download all the information at the end of the day onto the page. Where I almost re, I process it again. I can't understand what happened without doing this almost double process of the information or else it's sort of a bit tangled for me. So I then write everything down. And when I say write everything down, I mean I'm doing random scribbles on random notebooks that are scattered throughout the house. And at the end of a period of time, I'll collect up all these notebooks with the scribblings on them, collect them up, make them a little bit more coherent, work them into something that is actually can read well on the page. Then I condense it and condense it down so I can get a few pages down to like a few paragraphs. Because one of my favorite things to do when writing is the technique of deletion, which is where you remove everything until you've only got the bare bones and the essence of what you want to write about. And that elegance now I think is almost what I aspire to do in any writing that I undertake is to be able to express the same thing in as few words as possible, because then it just becomes more concentrated and raw and gets to the point, instead of a lot of superfluous language on top of it. So, yeah, that's sort of my writing process. And so it is quite, it just sort of spills out in the stream of consciousness then it's sculpted. Yeah, and I think that comes across because you know, some some people would would associate nature writing with, you know, an awful lot of description, quite kind of language. Yours is very punchy, and you get you get a lot I mean it's very layered sometimes you get like, you know, three different historical epochs in a description, you know, and it's so it's it's it's very very tight so it doesn't surprise me that that's your kind of process. And, well, I think you know be really nice to hear some of your work. So, Dara, I don't know if you'd mind reading for us, but I think we'd enjoy that at this point. And remember, please audience please do send through your questions whenever you whenever you want. That would be great. So this is what the paperback looks like. So, because I think we've only seen the hardback. I absolutely love this the paperback. And this is going to be the prologue to spring. In the darkness, my dreams are interrupted. I'm somewhere between swimming to the surface and coming up for air, and the flute catches my consciousness. The bedroom walls disappear. The space between my bed and the garden narrows becomes one. I rise without moving pinned by the heaviness of sleep. The notes keep falling on my chest. Now I can see the blackbird in my mind is testosterone arrows flying as the territorial sonatas spread across the dawn engrossed in the symphony awake and thinking the worrying of my brain begins spring varies from space to space. But for me, it's in the sights and the sounds swirling around my every day from sky to roots that hold the most magic. Spring is the frog that crossed our path at the beginning of our time in this house. Our first encounter was a splodge of spawn left quickly on the road. It's invisible pathway intruded upon by modernity. Obsessed, we dug out a watery sanctuary with hope, a small bucket of water buried and filled with broken clay pots, pebbles, plants and some sticks for the entrance and exit. We didn't really know if it would work. Anything deeper would have needed a digger to break through the boulder clay that we're best blessed with in our suburban in the skill and garden. But there was another meeting the following year when our amphibian friend danced a jig on the grass and was joined by another, leaving us a gift of frog spawn in the bucket refuge. We were exultant, our whoops of excitement could be heard from the bottom of the hill drowning out for a moment, the sound of cars traveling to Sligo or Dublin, and even rallying against the background noise of the concrete factory nearby. So that was from the beginning of spring and at that point I was still in from Anna. It's always kind of funny when I think about that the the year that I decided to write a diary that was going to document my life and possibly get published because was the year that everything sort of happened in my life. I got, I guess that's a silver lining to some of the stuff that happened that made a good book. But yeah, so it, it was a book that I didn't know what was going to happen and I didn't know what the ending of the book was when I was writing that excerpt, it was unknown. Usually when the author writes a book, they got their plan they've got their storyboards and their beginning middle and end and how the story is going to develop and how characters are going to develop as well. But for me it just had to happen naturally because it was diary. Which I guess is slightly terrifying for an author because you don't know if you're going to have a happier set ending at the end of the book. I don't know if we should give it away for people who haven't read it. I'm not giving it away. Yeah, we need to be careful. But you talk, you know, the way that you talk about your home at the time, and the way that you talk about, you know, this amazing prize of the frog spawn and the experimentation. There's so many different emotions, there's lots of conflicting emotions happening at the same time. There's the uncertainty, as you say, what lies ahead. There's also a thread of disappointment, which I'd like to talk about because you know this is the basis for well for all activism arguably around the environment is that the roads are encroaching. It feels like time is being taken away from us. It feels like every species that we express an interest in is under pressure and under threat, and then there's the other existential threat of of the climate crisis. And of course it's not just a climate crisis. It's a dual crisis of climate and nature. So I wondered if you could talk a little bit about how you process these concerns, fears, however they sit for you, and how that leads to your activism to your campaigning. I sort of, I try to process things and sometimes it can be devastating in the harm that we've inflicted on our world just overwhelms you. And my therapy for dealing with that is going out into nature and writing because it shows me how beautiful the world is and continues to be and going seeing that. Number one, it gives me hope that if such beauty can exist in the world, surely there is there is a good there is the way for us to save it. And it also gives me the determination to keep on going because something that beautiful deserves to be protected. And so going out into nature is my usual way of processing that sort of information. And my activism now comes through writing and because I believe that it's so so important for art in activism because how can it's the way that humans transfer information is through art writing paintings, how we show how beautiful the world is, how we motivate ourselves into doing things to care about our world comes from art and activism through words. And so, almost writing the book in the writing the diary was that almost inner struggle between me, between myself of whether or not writing can be worth it from the sense of activism from the sense of worth from the sense of actually what it means to to write and to express art and how is that actually essential and it is is the general conclusion that I made. Good. I'm relieved. I'm relieved that's the conclusion that we've come to. I mean, I suppose the act of writing in itself is an is an is an act of hope, because you know, we wouldn't be doing it if we didn't feel that it was, you know, going to change something or that people were going to read it I mean you hope that people read it don't you I mean that's that's the thing. So I suppose what was what were your hopes for the book as as as you were writing it through that process, because I mean let's not sugarcoat it. It's a lot of work.  So when I was writing the book, I was doing my GCSEs at the time. Yeah, and so there was a lot of work and I found but I did find that there's a once you start tapping into it there's a lot of time in the day that I just didn't really think about beforehand. And because it was writing a diary was a part of my daily routine. It didn't impact me that much the time usage because it was just that daily routine that I just did every day. It. The book for the hopes I have for the book were very little because when I was writing the first bit of the book I didn't even know that was going to get published. I didn't why I didn't I why I knew that it might get published but it was only meant to be like a little, a little thing and to give up the Twitter followers but then I just kept on writing. So the book sort of didn't come out almost for an audience in a sense it came out because I just I just got really obsessed and addicted to writing and in this form. And I had enjoyed it so much that I just kept on right like I got to the end of spring writing spring. I was like, Oh, I'm writing a book. Oh, it's happening. And I know that you I know you're really excited about the paperback coming out and I know that's because it will get to more people. And it's, you know, really, really accessible. It's a really accessible form of understanding about nature and landscape and activism and where we are now. What do you want readers to take from it? What would you like? What would you like them to do? I would like people after I can't really say what people get and sense people will get after reading my book. But I do hope that people look on the natural world in new eyes and can go out into the natural world and begin possibly to see all the details that exist within it.  And so intricate yet it is built up on such delicate little details. And if and you can transfer that almost that view of all the little details making up our world to all areas of life. But you can even activism where all the little details will eventually come up to affecting the bigger picture. And if people can take that away that is important for us to take time when we're going outside, even if it's just five minutes, just to notice what's going on around them, just for a little bit. And that would be what I hope people take away from the book. But I guess people can sort of make up their own minds when they're reading. I want to talk to you we've got some questions coming in so we'll start taking audience questions in a minute and keep them coming by the way. I wanted to talk to you about how we view nature writing but also filmmaking and audio or all sorts of ways of capturing nature, because there has been especially in filmmaking and I talk about this a lot with filmmakers who are also climate activists. And the amount of projects that involve going to the Arctic or going to the Galapagos and making really kind of epic shows about far flung destinations. It's incredible. Sometimes you wonder if people have come into the industry for the travel. And I wondered what you thought of that because you observe literally what is on your doorstep, and that's become your thing. But behind that, do you have this kind of wanderlust and, you know, when the pandemic's hopefully over one day and you've done your exams. Are you are you going to leap on a plane and file reports from across the world. The local nature for me is always being massive because it's the place that's closest to us it's our little lifeline that we can go to to survive the everyday and for that it will always be the most important thing in my life that local nature, because you can only go to like the Galapagos once. And yet you can go to your forest that's nearby or a park or someplace. That's close every day. And that's almost constant place that you can escape to, I think is one of the most incredible things that I think a lot of people don't realize is that nature exists. Everywhere and if we just take the little bit of time to explore that local nature we discover a whole incredible world. And so I do love low, but I do have a little bit of wanderlust in me. I think that I think most people do know. Where do you want to go. I can go up somewhere high. The high places. Where do I want to go. This is the thing I never really think. Sometimes I'm so buried in my local nature that I never really think about where I'd actually like to go. I feel like if I love just going any place, if that sort of makes sense, there's no specific place, because then you're almost setting yourself up to fail in my opinion. Going there to see something or to visit a particular place than that almost defeats the purpose for me because all the fun that is going to a place that you don't really know what is exactly there. And then going on that journey of discovery and exploration. And this I'm connecting to the landscape in your own way over a bit of time is what really matters for me. It's I don't really like, I'm like, you know, twitchers and stuff, taking off birds or anything. I don't really like that. I more go in for the experience of that journey of discovery. So there's no real particular place, but if I'm like, if I was just going to a different country, which is completely different ecosystem, and that would be just fascinating for me because it's got all those details that I love so much but in a completely different context of a different climate, a different landscape, and different adaptations that have come from that, leading to all of these different branches of the web that makes up our natural world. I mean, all that would be the big thing for me. And that will then that can come from basically any place, be it hundreds of thousands of miles away, or just, or just a few hundreds. And how do we square the carbon emissions from traveling to places like that is that something that you that you think about are you conscious about your own footprint. Yeah, your work has been tremendously low carbon.  Um, but yeah, just with that with that concern you. It probably was concerned me. I like I'd have to wait until like electric like for electric flight or something. Before I could really feel confident about doing that, doing large travels, but because I love that my nature so much that doesn't much to me. Whether or not I get to travel or not, that could be nice to do, but for me it's not really too important. Um, but I do think about it a lot if I'm ever just taking a plane to like before the lockdown times to do a talk or something in like England because I live in Ireland. It's like if you ever wanted to do a talk in England or Scotland or somewhere that have to take a plane.  It's almost like I've got like make a calculation in my head of if I can offset my carbon costs through activism and words. Um, by how much that will then reduce to see you to them thinking about it that way. Because I feel like if you're there, if you're using that to do a message or it's not meaningless damage, it's almost to make sure that future generations can see a world which is beautiful. And yeah, it definitely is something that does plague me a little bit. I mean, I suppose Greta took an eco yacht, didn't she across to to the UN summit in New York. I mean, I can't remember how many days she was at sea, but it was that was pretty epic and courageous in and of itself. Do you feel I mean, how do you feel towards older generations like myself. Do you feel we should have done more to cut emissions. Do you feel that we have dumped things on the shoulders of your of your generation by not by not grasping the net all and getting on with cutting emissions.  I guess like there's two answers to that. There's the short answer which is yes, the older generations have caused immeasurable damage to the natural world but then there's also the more nuanced answer where there has been devastating greed that has been inundated on our world. And can I really blame an entire generation for the actions of a few people on that have caused this widespread devastation. And those are the people who are really to blame for all this because I've met so many people of the older generations who love the world so so much. And it's almost those people who have put forward this greed and destruction have not only almost tainted in our minds what we think of the people who are passing on our world as being almost giving us a broken world. And that's almost causing that's that generational tension. But they've also managed to not give young people a future that I think every generation deserves. So those people who have engaged with that greed are the ones that we should really be blaming because as easy as it is to just blame a generation. It's almost when you when it comes down to it and they the fossil fuel industry plastics industry those giants who during the 90s were almost obscuring climate science. And it's it's sad that it came down to this where we're at a point where the older generation and the younger generation are coming to blows on the actions of a few. And whilst we're in this territory we have a question from Angela and Angela says what is your advice for young people experiencing eco anxiety and maybe not so young people as well who experience. So my general advice for eco anxiety is to go out into nature because the thing that cures it for me is seeing how beautiful the world is. And that sort of lets me escape from the human world for a little bit because it's very easy when you're in your room and you're seeing all of these horrific articles of devastation that's going on across the world and to feel utterly hopeless. But just going out into nature and can help you realize that the world is beautiful and from seeing a beautiful world you can go forth with hope and hope is what drives us to action and motivates us to take action because without hope. What would we ever do why like why would we bother if we did not believe that we could succeed and so hope is essential and nature and going out into nature is almost the bringer of that hope. So I would just say just get out into nature and even if it is just for 10 minutes a day. It will come it will benefit your life so so much. And Eila asks as a young person who loves nature and she really loved reading your book last year her question is what is your advice for young people she lives in London and so an urban young person, both in discovering nature, but also beginning to write about it like what's your advice for like, I know picking up a pen writing the first things about nature. My first my general advice is, it's what I do to still to the stay is, and I feel like the thing that most people don't realize is when the writer or an offer write something. Usually when they first write something, it's not really that good. I write, if anybody had read the original like notes and stuff, they were going, what on earth is this. It's rubbish. So, but getting that first stream of consciousness out there, getting something else onto the page is almost the best way of starting to write because you need that almost that see that you've written something to be able to write more and then you can refine that and into something beautiful. But that's almost secondary to the fact that you're getting something out on the page. And then I guess practice just observing and writing and getting it into a more polishing off the edges. Every time you start a writing session, you're going to be writing, not very some stuff that you're not going to think is really, really good because I write so much stuff, like the volume that I write and most of it is really good and I just sort of take out what's good out of that. And I think almost the skill of rising for me is less about trying to write out the perfect paragraph first time round. It's more just having an eye that so that when I do write something good in this stream of consciousness I can pull it out and then arrange it in something that's coherent. That's my general advice just just let it all out. It doesn't need to be good. Doesn't need to be perfect. It just needs to exist. Such good advice. I remember once interviewing Fay Weldon, the novelist, and she also taught a creative writing course, and she said the amount of people that have come to her and said, I've got a book in me and she'd say well it's not very good in you is it I can write it down and then we can start. But it is an act of courage as well to write something down because it can be quite scary. Do you know when you've got it. Do you know when something's good, or do you rely on working with an editor or your family or do you or do you know when you've got it. Sometimes I do sometimes I don't there's sometimes when I'm writing that I get I get excited by a line that I've just written. Yeah. Now that every time I know this feeling now, and anybody who does writing will know you.  And you know nobody else will when they're reading the book will ever know the joy that you that's the line, unless you're a writer because then you can sort of recognize the line where they did that little thing and it's a lot of fun now, going through the books that I've read and going, they were really excited when they wrote that. And so sometimes I know it like that but other times I've just got to get my family to read it, someone else to read it. And with the diary it was in a diary format so not a lot was changed. I'm almost at the beginning of the book my I would generally consider my writing and technically to be pretty bad at the beginning of the book. And that's a part of the my development throughout the diary is my writing actually gets better because the medium is really, really important for a diary because it's a diary it's you talking to the invisible. You're invisible companion that you're writing to in the diary. So the medium is incredibly important because the author is the character. And so the writing has almost had to you had to see that in the writing, which kind of came out naturally because I had never written anything like this before my entire life of actually going and writing a diary in this sort of format. So I got better at it as I got along, went along. So the writing is I would consider winter to be the best chapter because that was the one that I had the most practice with writing. And you're being a little bit hard on yourself in the early chapters because I think it's all it's all got an energy and a spirit to it that is is just so, just so rocketed and really carries you along but I would agree you know by the end of the book it's it's it's just incredibly powerful, really, really powerful. But I mean the format is really interesting because you are following in a deep tradition of cataloging nature in a diary format. You know it's something that will Victorian and Edwardian writers used to use so there are a lot of examples around and then maybe kind of really fallen out of fashion as you kind of rediscovered it. Were you had you read any other sort of nature diaries or work from I don't know even some of those Victorian conservationists and collectors. So there were a few books that definitely I've been reading them, like the Almanac the same country and Almanac was a book that I loved when I first read it. And that was actually one of the things that made me want to write a diary and there was also the Peregrine, which is amazing book. I would. And also, it was just something that I've been, been doing I just been writing a diary and I think my diary is different to those old Victorian and Edwardian diaries and that they were, but it's almost, it's taking their almost their way of looking at the pages with, because they were would record all of the little details that they were seeing every day, so they could almost scientifically observe them at a later date. And I was sort of doing that I was recording everything that I could see in the minute minute details that I was witnessing on my everyday life, and trying to put them down to the page. So it does have that parallels and that I guess the difference for this is is that their entries would be around about almost the same length. My ones very wildly in how long they are some of them are are like a paragraph long others are free pages. And their day. I've also got a lot more block prose, which is, I think is a new thing for diaries. The whole is having not just speaking to the, when you're writing to a diary or speaking to like the omnipotent diary person. Yeah, that person that viewer that audience member. Yeah, the dear diary. And sometimes sometimes they can be very self conscious. Can't they? Because of that but yours, you will sometimes go into these completely transporting passages. And as I sort of said before, sometimes they're going back to kind of ancient times, and they're very layered. And I wonder if you briefly just talk about the attraction of myth and legend because that was something kind of very special that came that came across for me that you connect certain places and certain species of wildlife to myth and legend. Yeah, so I love mythology. It was the first bit of, I guess, something that wasn't a straight fact book that I was reading were methodological books, because I didn't read novels until I was like 10 I just was engrossed in knowledge and facts. And so mythology was that step into storytelling as a, and how we humans have interpreted the world that we live in throughout our past and how that has impacted us to this day. And I'm Irish to the Celts were really, and the Norths were really, really important to me. And also the Greeks. I love Greek mythology as well. And so that was really, really important to me because stories are the original source of stories comes from nature. And the importance that it has for those stories is massive. And for the Celts, especially they looked to the landscape and to the stars for their stories and a funny thing that I think I realized when I'm doing my research for the wanderings of a young naturalist, which is going to be a book on mythology and Irish mythology and the how it links to the places, which will be published at some point I've absolutely no idea. So I was doing my research for it. And I'm the, it drew some attention to something that in the sky night sky there's the little group of cluster of stars called the Pleiades or the seven sisters. And they go by multiple names and they were worshiped by all sorts of peoples across the world it was this little clump of stars seem to be the center of attention of so many mythologies. And I didn't realize that if we were to pick a number between one and 10. The two numbers that were most likely to pick our seven and three. And if you pick a number between one and 10 it's bizarre that stories have had such a profound impact on our development that when we're we have almost a bias for this these two numbers and the free is very, very important in many different mythologies and the free sisters and in Celtic mythology we have the crown the maiden and the mother in Greek you have free sisters in North the free norms and it it was a fascinating thing for me I'm going to complete tangent here. This upon yourself. But how stories actually affect us so deeply that whenever I say picking up random number between one and 10 our brains are so deeply rooted in nature and story that it almost alters our perception. Well, there you go I mean we're carrying these stories and we don't even know it you know dynamos worked it out and we didn't even know it all these magicians know our biases. And you've also actually answered or started to answer a question within that which is good as well. Let me take some more questions because Helen Helen or Helen wanted to know are you working on another book at the moment. You've mentioned that there's one coming or in the pipeline on mythology. There's also another one that we're not allowed to talk about the. There, I'm allowed to talk about it is called Wild Child. I think that's also the name of this talk. Yes it is. Well done. And it is a picture book it's going to be illustrated by the same person who did the cover of diary of a young naturalist Barry falls which I'm really really excited about. I did have it here but it's disappeared. And I can't but I can show you the inside of it because that's secret. But the cover did look did look lovely. Ifa says something I mean one of the one of the things that also the big departure between we talked about diaries from naturalists that have come before. And one of the things that comes across in yours is just the warmth and the family connection and we know you know we learn a lot about your family and we meet your family. Ifa Mulligan says she loved the close family bond you described so beautifully in your book, especially how your parents nurtured you and your siblings love of nature. Yeah, I thought I was absolutely beautiful. What advice would you give to parents to encourage their children to connect with the natural world as opposed to phones, TV, etc. I'm suggesting ifa is a parent and would like some advice. The first biggest advice that I say and the thing I'm so grateful for my parents for doing is allowing us to run wild a little bit not whenever we're climbing a tree. I'm saying oh no no no don't do that that's dangerous or whenever I was mucking about in the garden.  It stops it and parents have such a power over their children that we learn from our parents that thing is dangerous we don't do that. And if we do that for nature then that cuts it out of our entire lives at a very early age and at that point it's really hard to almost reverse at that stage because it's ingrains in us from through parenting. So my general advice would be just let your kids run wild a bit and they'll be out in nature a lot more. I think with phones and video games and all of that there's definitely a balance that can be made. I do have a guilty love of quite a few video games. Which ones? I do like some open world games. I love civilization. That's probably one of my favorite games. And lots of different strategy games. Games like Star Wars if anybody knows them they don't know what I mean. And that's sort of just something that I enjoy doing so that's fine. Just letting them go out on walks, letting them run wild a bit because that was the most thing that I was most grateful for my parents for doing. It was allowing me to do that. But there's not much more advice I can. I think that's really, I think that's good advice. I mean I think white trainers should be banned because people, I've seen people taking diversions so they don't get their trainers muddy or scuffed. And that drives you mad. So, you know, you've got to have footwear that you're not anxious about, please. So let's take a couple of closing questions. Oh, there's some really nice ones. And people just love the book so much, Dara. I want you to know this. I hope you do know this. And Polly, so this brings us back really to the start. Polly wants to know what signifies the coming of spring for you. Blackbirds. That was the thing that signified it in the book. It's blackbirds. It's always been blackbirds. Their song has always represented spring for me because I don't really consider spring to have started until I hear the blackbirds fully singing. So that spring for me is blackbirds. It's just because it was that thing that was deeply ingrained into me as a child, because I watched the blackbird through shadow on curtains. And I was obsessed with this blackbird. And then one year, one, at some point, stopped singing because it wasn't spring anymore. I didn't know that birds didn't sing in after spring. So I was like, oh my goodness me, what happens to the blackbird that I loved. And I was like, but then I was basically like, I don't want to not know anything anymore. So I went on the fact reading spree. And if you know the eye witness books that you see in libraries, I have read every single one. And that's why I spent my, my, my children years doing was just reading all of those. Didn't read a fiction book until I was like 10. And that. So. And can you remember? Can you remember a lot of the facts that you read? Sometimes I do store them. They are definitely in there. And I've got, if something triggers that little fact in there, I'll go, Oh, I know that. So the information is still in there somewhere. Sometimes it's a bit hidden, but it's definitely still in there. So now I've just, it was an interesting thing, but now I've just got all these random facts so I can just pull out my. I could I book you for the WWF annual quiz, usually around Christmas time, please. I'd just like to put a marker down there. Very competitive and I think this would be your just what we need. Okay, Dara has been such an amazing privilege to talk to you. And especially on the day that the paperback is issued. I'm not allowed to. I'm going to have to take a final question and there is a huge question from Emma, which I've been so one more actually just before we go to Emma's question. Do you still keep a diary? I do still keep a diary. The diary is still there. Funnily enough when we're moving house again and just like a few miles up the road. I found the original diary. As in the original diary of a young naturalist like the first notebooks where the diary entries are on, which is fun. It was like, it was hidden in like a box somewhere. But I found it and the first ever notebook, which is how is it. Yeah. Sorry. How is it? Is it? Is it? Was it weird to see it? Yeah, it was weird to see it. And yeah, so that was quite fun. But yeah, the diary is still very much going going on. It will never be published, but so. Well, maybe maybe one day it will be in the British Library. That's next to the word to Wordsworth's originals. Sounds like a sweet words with original documents. So if you want to hear Emma's question, this is the question that we're going to finish on, Dara. If you could send a message to everyone on earth, everyone, what would you say? I would say just get out into nature. Take those five minutes a day. Just to my notice, just to notice the world around you. By noticing, we build up this picture of our world that inspires connection and love and compassion. And from that love and compassion and connection, we build up a determination to want to protect that. And by everybody wanting to protect that together, we can make real change in the world. That's how it works. Brilliant answer to a great question. Dara McAnulty, thank you so much for joining us tonight. And everybody make sure that you get your order in for the paperback of Diary of a Young Naturalist. This is the hard cover that the paperback is out today. Oh, it looks great, doesn't it? Doesn't it look great? Dara, thank you so much. We're going to hand back over to Brett. And I hope we get to meet again in person. That would be great. Thank you so much. It has been amazing to get to talk, especially on the publication day of my paperback. Thank you. Thank you. A huge thank you to Dara and Lucy for that inspiring conversation and hope that you all enjoyed it at home as well. If you'd like to buy a copy of Dara's book, you can do so just using the link above the video. And you can also give us your feedback about the event. If you enjoyed this event and others in our nature season, please do stick around as we've got another one starting tonight at 8 o'clock. That will be with the writer Anita Seti. And you can find more details on this just below the video. Thank you and good night from the British Library.