Hello, and happy Valentine's Day, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Pauline Schruck-Mokchin, your host for Outside In. Most people specialize in doing one thing in life, but some people like to combine seemingly disparate ideas and interests. For example, one person loves to combine medicine and art. And that is my guest today, Dr. Kowan Jeff Bisa, an immunologist by training, a curator of art exhibitions and one of the co-founders of the Honolulu Biennial. Aloha, KJ! Happy Valentine's Day! Same to you, Pauline. Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you very much. It's a bit gloomy today, but I suppose it's a romantic day in some respects. So we've got a lot to cover because you do several things, KJ, and it might strike some people as a little bit odd what you do, but you love two subjects the most. One is medicine and one is art. So could I first ask you why you like to combine these two ideas together? Well, I've always been fascinated with the combination of disparate things. I like to think of it as drawing from the fringes of the Gaussian curve. And so combining things has been a natural thing for me to bring disparate things together. So medicine and art aren't really as disparate as people think. There are many overlaps in terms of experimentation, the sense of wonder, approach. These are all things that these two fuels have in common. So if you take someone like Da Vinci and other people, other Renaissance people, they've always mixed science and medicine or science and art. And architects do that, too. They use both sides of their brain in their daily activities and designing buildings, mathematics and spatial awareness. So it's not so strange after all because I combine strange concepts like you, and I always get that sort of half-animal look when I explain things like Freemasonry and Japan together, because I think most people, they kind of do a very mundane routine task that a robot will probably take over in 10 years. And their mind is not so open to this kind of concept, whereas there are polymaths. It was more common to be a polymath a few centuries ago. People were a musician, and they were also an architect or something else. So I don't know whether it has to do with the educational system or it's just not trendy. It's not promoted in society. What do you think? Primarily, it's a geographic location. I think in the US, people tend to think that you can't do more than one thing well. Whereas in Europe and in Asia, there are many people, many professionals that are writers and musicians. I think there's part of a cultural upbringing that's part of that as well. Okay, and why did you study medicine in the first place? What drew you to the medical profession? Well, primarily because we come from a family of people who are caretakers in the health field. We have physicians in our family, nurses, x-ray technicians, dietitians. So that was a primary reason for me to get interested in it. But also when I majored in physical anthropology and marine biology, again, two disparate subjects at university, it was again combining these interests. Actually went away from medicine for a while and then came back when I was in the Navy as a dental technician that allowed me to take care of people and the kind of caring and the kind of preventive measures in dentistry actually caused me to come back into a healing practice. I didn't know that about you, KJ, because my father is a dental surgeon. Really? Okay. He has something in common. Yes, that's right. A medical family as well. I was the black sheep. I studied law instead. I didn't want to say in terms of choosing the subspecialty that I did, first was pediatrics because that was an area I felt in even the greatest care in terms of preventive care. So people now are assuming habits that would abuse themselves. And secondly, because it's a field that is very preventive, it's not organ-specific. You're not just treating the heart or the lungs. Now it's a very holistic because you're treating a patient in his environment. You look at lifestyle, diet, lifestyle changes, those kind of things. And that's what attracted me to the field. And KJ, you still see patients now. Is that correct? No. I've segwayed from a clinical practice which I had in California and New York and Honolulu into a tech-based practice. So now I work on a medical app called Medical Avatar that's online, and it is a digital solutions company that addresses community health and corporate wellness. This I founded with a fellow colleague in New York City. And this is this business about the three-dimensional anatomical avatar of the patient. Well, that's one aspect of it. We're using the scanning techniques in health clubs to look at changes in body mass, muscle volume, those kinds of muscle size, tracking that over time. My emphasis is looking at the communication between physician and patient. There's a fact that doctors interrupt their patients 18 to 30 seconds into the interview. And then from that point, commandeer the conversation. Oh, really? Okay. So I'm developing an app with Medical Avatar and Virgil Wong, who's my collaborator in New York City, to have an application called, the doctor will hear you now. Very good. It's a way to prepare the history-taking in a way that's more digestible to the physician who needs to listen. Is it a particular kind of physician that does this because I can't imagine a psychiatrist doing that? As a general, I was just speaking with the dermatologist the other day, a fairly good friend, Dr. Doug Johnson, who practiced here, and he's very aware of that in his field as well. And so he's modified that to listening and examining patients as they're giving your history. So that is actually an improvement. Why do you think the doctors tend to interrupt their patients? Is it because they think they know better? No, I think it's the way we're trained. I think we're trained algorithmically and on key words. And so when you hear key words, your mind starts racing towards a diagnosis, putting things together. Really? Okay. Because when I was in law school, we were taught how to listen, so that's not taught in medical schools as much, or you just go into a, if you see patient after patient, you get into a rhythm where you do this. I think we're taught to listen, but I think that the pressures of medicine now in terms of time and technology put us in a different position than previously. Okay. Now, linking your interest with immunology. You specialize mainly in allergies, is that correct? That's correct. So you're particularly fascinated by the sense of smell. And there is this Art of All Faction Institute in Chinatown in Los Angeles, which I want to see when we're both back in California at some point. And why are you fascinated by the sense of smell? Because to be honest, that's the sense I would be most happy to be rid of. I would be traumatized if I lost my sense of sight, but sense of smell. Actually, interesting you mentioned that, because there are studies with people who have lost their sense of sight and hearing, and people would say they really develop depression. People who lost their sense of smell develop depression, and there's a person with a band in Australia that actually was suicidal because of loss. It has to do with quality of life, but I think in segue to the beginnings, I got into the sense of smell and old-fashioned area because of people that I saw in the allergy field with chronic sinus infections. And those people lose their sense of smell and affect their quality of life. And because of that, I was looking for links between the sense of smell and Alzheimer's, which is a type of memory disorder as well. And that was basically the link that got me from allergy into looking at more neurology in terms of neuroscience, in terms of links between memory and the sense of smell. And there is a link with Parkinson's, is that correct? There is. The sense of smell is the first thing that's lost in both Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. And there should be a screening test for all physicians to test for that. And there are testing packets available. So for people, I know there are a lot of people in Hawaii who visit California or originally from California, such as myself. So if they wanted to visit the Institute of the Art of All Faction, can people go to a website and go visit? Do you have an exhibition that rotates? We have an exhibition, but it's also an educational site. We do have an organ, a scent organ, which is actually an array of fragrances, where people can learn to make their own fragrances. Okay, brilliant. And I guess that people can just Google the Institute of the Art of All Faction. Actually it's the Institute for Art and All Faction. For Art and All Faction. So if you go to Google, you'll find it's very easy. There's only one of it, I'm sure. Now, so you concentrate on the sense of smell in this particular museum and organization, but you also put on other exhibitions all over the world that link science and art. So can you give the viewers and listeners some sense of the combinations you've delved into in recent exhibitions? Sure. Well, the science and art also spills into other areas, but if I can point out certain areas, I did an exhibition in New York City called Seeing Ourselves. And basically that had to do with imaging technology and medicine and how artists deploy these, so artists are using MRI scans, X-rays, PET scans, ultrasound in terms of their art. There was another one that was very similar in which artists used these techniques in a different format, which was presented during a photography conference in upstate New York. Yeah, some of the things that look at the disparate nature of things is one called D'Afrique de Zee, which is in French, which means from Asia and from Africa. And a lot of people don't think of Africa and Asia in the same mindset. So the exhibition was about African artists and Asian artists looking at the ways that Africa and Asia are brought together in one mental set. Is that only an American perception? Because I lived in London for a very long time, and London is famous for so as a school of Oriental and African arts, or studies, I should say. But is that a perception only here? No, no, not at all. I think it's a manifestation of finding the artists who are actually working on it to make an exhibition. So it's widespread phenomenon, but in terms of an exhibition, it was easier to select artists from New York. Okay, and now we were talking about cephalopods earlier. So can we get to them? I'm very curious about this because it's intriguing. So you have in your notes cephalopods, but you've done an exhibition about octopi or something like this? No, there's, well, we'll segue to collecting. I collect images and objects of cephalopods. But the interest actually came, again, going back to my original minors and university and majors university, which was physical anthropology and marine biology, actually worked with cephalopods at HMB, the Hawaii Institute for Marine Biology in Coconut Island. And that combination of the two, or an example of the two disparate things that I was doing, putting together. Is the cephalopod collection the largest theme in your collection? No. Why do you have this fascination with? Because I've worked with them before. No, my collection is Catholic. I always say Catholic with a small c, which means universal. And basically I'm collecting Ganeshas. That's one of my passions. This is the elephant god that brings prosperity to businesses in India. That's right. So if you want to be successful in prosperous in business, you pray to Ganesha. He's a remover of obstacles, which is the reason I like him. But also I collect Philippine gold. I collect textiles, many different things. As I said, it's as a...  It's Catholic with a small c. I would say live in an environment that's almost like a livable cabinet of curiosities. OK. And do you collect these creatures yourself or only in their art form? No, no. I used to collect them when I had a marine aquarium, when I lived here in Hawaii. Is this something like Dr. No with the shark swimming? No, no, no. It was saltwater aquarium, which is very common to have here. And in California, I had one as well. But the water's colder in California, so I installed my aquarium in a refrigerator. OK. So now I finally figured out why you travel so much, because I didn't realize how eclectic your art collection was. And do you paint yourself? Is that why you love art so much? Or do you appreciate the beauty? Have you tried to paint yourself? All of you both. All of you both. I love to paint. OK. What do you like to paint? Representational is my area, and my kids have most of my work. They enjoy it. And I enjoy giving it to them. OK. And you have a favorite color? No. No. OK. And now I remember when we were liaising about doing the show that you were doing something with amoebas, an exhibition at LAX Airport with amoebas. So maybe that. Was that in the planning, or it hasn't been executed yet? I think the amoeba reference was in terms of the way that I cured exhibitions, because there are multiple amoebas have pseudopods, which are links outside of protoplasmic links outside of the organism. So my shows are concurrent and multiple. OK. Brilliant, KJ. So we're just going to take a very quick break, and we'll be right back after this break. Thank you. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. I'm DeSoto Brown, the co-host of Human Humane Architecture, which is seen on Think Tech Hawaii every other Tuesday at 4 p.m. And with the show's host, Martin Desbang, we discuss architecture here in the Hawaiian Islands and how it not only affects the way we live, but other aspects of our life, not only here in Hawaii, but internationally as well. So join us for Human Humane Architecture every other Tuesday at 4 p.m. On Think Tech Hawaii. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We're speaking with KJ about his interest in medicine and art. So you are one of the co-founders, one of the three co-founders of the Honolulu Biennial. So the first time this happened, that's where I met you, was last year, and you already have the dates for the next one, and this is March 8th through May 5th, 2019. And I had Marcus on one of the artists. He's on the advisory board, and we mentioned that the theme is an open boat. And as one of the co-founders, how did you meet Isabelle and Catherine? Were you friends before? Was it by Serendipity? That's a very long story. It goes back to 2010, I would say, way before the, even the first iteration of the biennial. You know that we had a chain of fire, which was a prelude to the Honolulu Biennial in 2014. It was supposed to be as a biennial in 2016, but we needed more time, so we went to 2017. It was just when you saw it, you know. But I think that the comment about the biennial is that it's very strong. I've always been supportive of it all along. I think it needs to be recurrent, which is what was planned. If it needs to be recurrent, then it also needs to be continuous, needs to be sustainable. And I've always been an advocate of the Honolulu Biennial and the foundation. And we wanted to give a shout out to Scott Larmor and Nina Tonga, who are the curators during this next exhibition, and wish them the very best. They have my entire support. Brilliant. Okay, so it's HonoluluBiennial.org, and people can learn more about the upcoming, get ready for the updates and things like that through. It's not a newsletter, but you send email shots out regularly. You can sign up on the website for a newsletter. That's correct. Okay, great.  You're basically a curator of the other exhibitions that you do worldwide. Right. What are the upcoming exhibitions you've got? So people, maybe if they're in that particular city or country, they can go visit. Right. Well, if you're traveling through Los Angeles, Los Angeles Airport, LAX, I do have an exhibition that's reopening in June of this year through January, and that is called Wild Blue Yonder, and it addresses the color and concept of blue. So the concept behind blue would be religious, it could be thematic, it could be chromatic, and that's at LAX between terminals, seven and eight United Terminals. And you selected the color? Uh-huh. Well, it was a concept that I came up with, and it was based on the Wild Blue Yonder that's in the Air Force song. See, that's why I asked you what your favorite color is, because most men, if you ask most men what is your favorite color, it's some kind of blue. I think you're right. If you had to pin me down, I would say teal. Okay. A little bit of green in there. Okay. Greenbird, like Guffin and Baldini. Okay, so yeah, because it's quite common, my father's favorite color is sky blue, a lot of men like navy blue, some kind of, because it's very calming, and men generally are very calm, right? One of the exhibitions I'm developing now with Keiko Hatano at Fishcake, and Lisa Sheroma who's at High Sam Gallery Shop, Maury Arton Flea, I have the whole thing in there. We're working on an exhibition at High Sam at the long title that I gave, and it involves artists from Hawaii and artists who have moved away from Hawaii. It's actually based on a small metal box we're distributing to the artists, and the concept is similar to that of Marcel Duchamp, Valise Mouat, and also Tom Cloby's Shoebox series, and so this is an exhibition that's going to open on the 4th of May during first Friday here in Hawaii, and they were very excited because we have some very exciting artists involved in it. Okay, so apart from Hawaii, any other U.S. state or abroad, any other country you're delving into at the moment? Well there are projects I'm developing in several countries, I'll name just the countries as described in the exhibitions a bit long, Outer Mongolia, Punjab Province in India, Bangkok, Democratic Republic of the Congo, which is Kinshasa, and Fukuoka, Japan. Oh good, because we're a sister state, yes, Fukuoka and Hawaii are sister states, and that's very good, we have a Japanese link. So you're focusing on Asia, any European ones in the works or in the future? Well I've done recent, I mean these are future projects. This past summer I did exhibitions, two exhibitions in Vienna, then also traveled to Krakow and Dusseldorf and Berlin to set up exhibitions as well, and residency programs, that's something I'm very interested in doing as well. And how do you select your artists for the exhibitions, do they know of you and they send material or images of their work, or do you source them from something catches your eye? All of the above, I'm really fortunate to have been invited to be on several arts organizations, on the boards of them, and so I got to do a lot of studio visits, I got to look at a lot of work either in online or in physical form, I would say probably see up to maybe a thousand artists a year in terms of their portfolio, it's just because I'm, yeah, but what it allows me to do is build what I call a Rolodex of information, so I catalog the ones that I like and keep them in mind for exhibitions to come up. I have more ideas than venues, and so I have ideas cooking all the time, so I ain't looking for venue funding supporters for that, that's what moves it along, but ideas I don't have a lot of. Sometimes extremely talented artists can be very difficult to work with, like a highly skilled chef in a very top restaurant, they're very temperamental sometimes, so do you have an attitude check or something like that, do you, even if the artist is extremely talented, is there a point where you just, the person had, the character of the person has to melt with you as well, is this a difficult call to make? Well it is a complex question, but if you can make an analogy as to choosing, say a surgeon, you know, to have an operation, he doesn't have to be the nicest person, he doesn't have to have great bedside manner, if you're confident in his technical skills you will select that person, so along with artists I would select mainly for quality, that's the first thing, and of compatibility, if it's a person who's difficult to work with, it's, you know, it makes the exhibition harder to pull together. Yes, your analogy as surgeons is quite useful, because among all the medical disciplines the surgeon is the one most likely to be a psychopath, there's a higher, there's a higher, I didn't know that, there's an increased number of people with psychopathy in the surgical area, which makes them good, because a book came out as the wisdom of psychopaths, because psychopaths can actually do things other people can't in an organization, they're very decisive, they can hire and fire people at a whim, because they don't, they lack conscience, so they can actually move things along quite quickly, they do have their attributes, so that's a good analogy to bring up, because artists can be like that too, so. But quality is first, that's why I like that. Yes, quality is number one, now, obviously you travel quite a bit, I know that, and you must go to an awful lot of museums yourself to get ideas about exhibitions, how to do something in a novel way, how to do something in an innovative way, because there's so many galleries and museums now, it's very trendy, so is there any particular museum anywhere in the world that immensely impresses you, or there is a particular way the founder or the curators put on permanent or temporary exhibitions? I think the sources of inspiration for me are legions, so it's not just museums, it's galleries, it's walking around in the open, going to the wilderness, going to the desert, co-founder of the Joshua Triniel, and the Mojave Desert with Bernard Leibov, and so that's another source of inspiration. But if I can come back to your original point, you're asking about other sources of inspiration, like a museum, I would have to put one that I haven't visited yet, and it's called Mona Museum of New and Old Art. I've been there, I showed you the picture of how the David Walters' parking space. The parking spot, right, exactly, so I have a personal link to the person there, and so I'm hoping to do an exhibition, I will visit it first, but also to do an exhibition of one of my dreams. Yes, KJ, you are aware that I'm not a fan of contemporary art, it really depends on what it is, but I have to say Mona is extremely impressive, so if your brain switches off at Michelangelo or the classical arts, it's really worth it to go to Hobart, to Tasmania, and see this magnificent, he's really done a wonderful job, because they're very unusual installations and exhibitions, and they are contemporary, but they get you thinking, it's even if I'm very hesitant to go to such things, but I loved it when I spent the whole day there, so it's really worth it, and also you must go to an awful lot of art fairs, so we have several of those in London, the antiques fairs, the art fairs, are you a fan of antiques also? I collect antiques, but I'm not a fan of going to the fairs for antiques, like Maastricht, like those, no. Okay, so on the medical side now, you are focused on medical avatars, is that correct? Any other medical projects at the moment? All the medical projects besides medical avatars have to do with the sense of smell and its relationship to Alzheimer's, as we talked about before, it's the first sense that's lost in Alzheimer's in Parkinson's. I was supposed to do a project with Oliver Sacks, we're both on a panel at MoMA together in New York, unfortunately he passed, but it is an interest of mine and how to link curative things from the sense of smell, the olfactory field with Alzheimer's or other neurodegenerative diseases. Are you going to write a book or is purely in the exhibition category, the art exhibition category? No, it's actually linking up with actual researchers at NYU in Columbia. The book I'm planning on the olfactory sense has to do, actually it's a primer of olfactory diagnoses. There's actually a book with smells that will train doctors to detect certain medical conditions based on smell. For example, there's a very characteristic fishy smell to a certain disorders of metabolism in kids. It's also ketoacidosis, people more familiar with it in diabetics. There's a certain type of smell with pseudomonas, which is a bacteria that causes infections. So these are the types of things I think could be of interest and also instructional for physicians. And do you do anything related to perfume? Because that's the nicer side of the sense of smell I personally like. I'm also keen on the other bacteria things you're talking about. Well, they're part and parcel of the same spectrum, but I have worked with the perfumers at major perfumed companies like IFF and Fermanage in New York City and have done exhibitions on the sense of smells themselves. Okay, and do you have a particular... I know a lot of men, they like a lot of sandalwood in their cologne. So do you have a particular scent you favor? Not really. Again, I have Catholic tastes in my case and perfumes. In sense. No, actually, oud, I would say is one of my favorites. Oh, oud, yes. It's very favorite. But also, I'm trying to get someone to mix peppercorns and pomegranate with me and see what can come up with. Oh, yes. So I think they do that with macaroons. So you can do anything with that. Peppercorns are very useful. No, I think that would be an intriguing smell. Yes. And your links to New York, did you have a gallery there? Is that right? No, not at all. I was drawn to New York because I'm probably the only physician that applied to and got into the Whitney Independent Studies Program, which is a one-year non-degree awarding program associated with the Whitney Museum. That opened up my entire world of curating because it introduced me to so many curators and artists and critics. And I stayed on in New York. I opened a clinic. I was actually providing free medical care for artists, uninsured artists in New York. That was my community service. But at the same time was curating exhibitions throughout the world based in New York. OK. That's fascinating, KJ. And I love guests that have more than one thing going. If I could tell anybody, you know, it's easy to do. It's not that difficult. You can mix the two interests together. And thank you so much for being a guest on this Valentine's Day. My pleasure. Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day, again, everybody. And I'll see you next Wednesday on Outside In at 2 PM. Aloha.


Tam Valley Elementary School, 1981, which is located in Mill Valley across the bridge. This is my new friend, Mirabai. That's Harmony talking. She's nine. Hi, nice to meet you. Painfully shy. Nice bell bottoms. Heeheeheeheehee. Harmony's apartment, 1981. Let's play make believe. I'll be a panda bear, named Har Har. I'll be a steed that lives by the lake. Call me Mimi. I want to be a penguin. You can be meow-mow. I don't like that name. How about meow meow Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, art class, 1982. So we were about, I was about nine here. Hey, meow, meow.  Paint washing down the drain. Yeah, ew, yuck. Actually, I was kidding. I think it's pretty, it's brood, huh? On second thought, so do I. Social studies, 1983. Writing to Harmony. Do you want to have lunch today? Scribble. I'm having lunch with Mira by the next two days in a row. Oh, really, I'm over it, it's cool. Sleepover in 1984. What if the universe is just an atom in a giant's toenail? Ooh, and what if each of our toenails filled with millions of universes? What if the universe is all one big experiment? And what if we're all sitting in an alien scientist's test to being observed? Mill Valley Middle School, 1985. Hey, meow, meow. We need to tell you something. When we were kids, we never really liked you. So sad. We only hung out with you because we felt sorry for you. We've been feeling guilty about it, so we wanted to come clean.  We can still be friends. What if they're still lying to me? And so begins a lifetime of trust issues. Slumber party, 1985.  Hey, don't, F word, sorry kid, with Mari. Technique, 1986. Wow, this is so cool. It's super easy. It's called stippling. I'll show you how. Stipple, stipple, stipple. English class, 1986. Do you want to read my poem? Sure. Cool, it sounds like one of mine. No, it doesn't. Later. It kind of does sound like one of hers. Vodka 101, 1987. You're such a good friend, Mimi. I really love you. She's the only sober person at the party drinking water. Stumbling home. That's it, almost there. You're my guardian angel, erp. Parents. That nearby is a bad influence. Just say yes, 1988.  You're just being approved. Drugs are overrated. Don't knock it till you try them. San Francisco, 2007, sometime has passed. And we've been out of touch for some time. My throat hurts every time we hang out. We talk so much. I know. Maybe it's because we were out of touch for so long. Lots to catch up on. I don't know. I think it was always like this. Ever since that sleepover when we talked about the cosmos, atoms, and our toenails, you remember that too? I thought you were so deep. That was probably the first interesting conversation I ever had. Marin Headlands, 2011.  That time in grade school, you tricked me into thinking you hated a color and got me to say I hated it too. And then you changed it around on me and said it was pretty.  The thing is, when you said you hated it, I could see why. Green equals phlegm. But when you switched it, I could see it's beauty too. Green equals trees. But then I hated myself for sounding like a lemon. Lemon. I was such a stinker. Millennium Restaurant, 2012. Happy 40th. Oh, it's the doctor. I'm sorry. I've got to take this call. Don't be sorry. Go. Hello. I've got MS. Oh, thank god. I was worried you had a tumor in your brain. But it's MS. I mean, MS is manageable. It is. How do you know? I've got five friends with MS, and they're all fine. Anyone with MS? I just don't want this to define me. It doesn't have to. You're going to be OK. What if she's not? Thank you.


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glasses too yeah so YouTube streets mean comments one of the things that come with unfortunately being a youtuber is that you may get some comments that are not so nice bless your heart um so recently I wouldn't say I necessarily got a mean comment it wasn't mean it was I guess constructive criticism but I didn't agree with it no some of y'all like dang girl so the person was basically like you come off as very angry I was hoping that you would basically cheer up a little bit more towards the end and this is the first video I've watched of yours and I won't be subscribing I actually laughed at that comment for one and then I had to you know when you are a content creator if you want to keep the piece and keep a positive atmosphere you have to be careful what you say to people so I wrote her back and was basically like hmm this is the first I come up as angry first of all this is a comment not now I am coming off as angry but I'm well first of all y'all know my personality do not take everything I say to heart I'm a Joker I'm a prankster not necessarily prankster I'm a Joker I have a dark sense of humor a little quirky I may offend someone I am up I do apologize but my intentions are never to come out and rightfully offend people I'm not like that that's not who I am but the video was like a five eight minute video on me pre-pooing my hair how am I supposed to act when I'm pre-pooing my hair I'm just what what type of you know what I mean so I was like I said this is the first anger this is the first for me well you know I'm not going to everyone's not gonna like this is basically what I said this is a first you know unfortunately not everyone's gonna like me and that's fine thank you so much for watching oh you could say I mean you could be very negative back to the person but you don't want to you don't want to do that so you know every now and then I will get some negative comments and again that's not to me that wasn't me it was just her you know forcing her opinion which is absolutely fine she didn't use any curse words she didn't call me out she was you know she was very appropriate which is fine I know honestly it is I'm not being petty but every now and then girl oh yes I get some ratchet good amount see so so see you can't say that I shouldn't say that every now and then I get a not so nice person leaving me unpleasant comment on my channel and it's mostly on my um detangling video that has all the views like well over 240,000 views right I've gotten you know someone recently not recently a couple of months ago said that foresee hair is ugly and they are going in on that person so I'm not going to delete it normally I delete comments that are getting nasty but um I had another individual who wrote on that same video that my hair was still nappy and ugly you know so I get that I get that every now and then my hair is ugly and nappy and one of the person told me I need to perm it um and it always seems to be from someone who doesn't have a profile but let me tell you something if you don't have a profile picture darling you cannot come from me in my hair even if you do a lot of the times the people who are commenting they weren't shaking goes you can't be wearing no shaking go from hair stop calm and talking about my tresses it ain't gonna work that way girl right why would you put that much energy into leaving nasty look I get constructive criticism I get that and I welcome that but to be negative and nasty for no reason there's no point in doing that that's really not so but like I said before that comes with the territory I mean shit shit would be subjected to that absolutely not but unfortunately you know it's an open-packed platform people want to write what they want to write and it is what it is that's just how it is you know like I said if I see some of the youtubers making comments on other folks channels and I never want to bring any type of negativity on to someone else's channel so I just shake my head and keep it pushing I'm like you got a lot of nerves to be saying this mess on someone else's channel but um yeah girl it is what it is okay so y'all I finally was able I know I am late like really late on this I finally was able to watch the Bobby Brown show but I didn't know it was dang on four hours long two things I didn't know I didn't know it was four hours long and I did not know that Bobby Brown is only 49 years old but he's a little bit fluffy right now yeah he put on a few pounds but drugs you know drugs would definitely do that to your body so it was good it have a little bit to you I know how I feel about you know SEX on the screen he ain't here y'all y'all you know how I feel about sexting it's not six six on the TV screen and this was no no drop-humping this was full on let's get naked scenes so I had no idea he used to date what is her name Janet Jackson I had no idea he was dating her um for my understanding she was kind of upset this is the blocks that so you never know what's legit she was kind of upset how she was portrayed I think really when it came to the colorism because there is the scene on and the show to where he asked her was the reason why she didn't want to take him because he was black and not only black but a dark skinned black man so those of you who don't know my younger generation there once a lot of first of all the 80s late 80s early 90s was saturated with light skinned brothers the barges um what is his name Christopher was it Christopher what is his name y'all you know what I'm talking about and the other one um with the unibrow you know they were you know I'm talking about that was where in the denim they were the ish in the 80s and 90s so dark skinned brothers you know girl please um but I guess that's what Janet Jackson's hang up you know with the with the documentary whatever you want to call it that wasn't necessarily true however if you look at it look at the family most of them dated outside and have married and had kids outside of their race I think all of them have just about what about me you didn't want to know who she married and had kids with all the kids are like bright so I'm assuming that they're all you know mixed with something and so I guess people were surprised by that I wasn't surprised I know Snoop Dogg made a you know a little video and I know I'm late he made a little video on how you know how did he get how did he pull Janet Jackson Bobby Brown had swagger even though I was 10 years old I wasn't fast girl but Bobby Brown had swagger he was not ugly so I don't know why people or I think they're equating with the Bobby Brown now the Bobby Brown back then then was fine so yeah no he ain't gonna dance oh yes that's why he got eight kids um so yeah I preferred part one over part two part two meaning the series itself it was broken up into two parts part two was a little slow for me also girl get to the point I had to watch part one a couple of times yeah I didn't realize he had had a stroke and again all that is drug use now I knew that you know Whitney kind of was already on that stuff before and they painted him to be the bad boy and all this which is kind of sad now I do think there was a little bit of I'm the victim so to speak from Bobby Brown because he was there on a set with them y'all so a lot of the stuff was a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion some of it in my opinion could have been a bit of an exaggeration because I feel like all his problems he tried to basically justify with oh my mama was sick oh Whitney just spout for divorce oh this going on and not to downplay those as legitimate issues but you at a certain point you were grown-ass man you gotta be a hold accountable be accountable for your own actions right but he kept there was almost as narrative of okay yes I got arrested but this what this is what's going on so whenever you saw him getting pulled over by the cops there is his back and story of this is what was really happening so we need to have some type of sympathy for him because now he's gonna get any sympathy for your ass no I don't I do not and now I do feel compassion for him having lost his child however as a parent you are supposed to keep your child safe and honest to God I think that and I hate to say this because as a parent I wouldn't want to do it to me but it is what it is that child saw them high Bobby Christina saw them high there is no way that she did not know that both her parents were doing drugs yeah so I saw that I did see that now like I told you I am watching Mary to medicine I have not caught the last few episodes this thing is snagging my hair did I hear that I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to finger detangling for that and then do this again I haven't seen that up in the latest episode one show that I am watching and y'all y'all gotta check it out it was a little disturbing and it is center with weird ass Bill Paxton it's very different the first season had Jessica Bill who looked extremely thin like I didn't even recognize her she looked like she has an eating disorder you have to excuse the background if you see stuff splashing everywhere she's seriously like she has an eating disorder disorder now I know some people can be naturally thin I'm not shaming her for that but I've never seen her that thin before so but it's a good show it's really good show now they're on second things the second season and it's called the center now yeah yeah I'm not really big into it's really hard for me to watch shows I like to watch an entire thing and get done with it you know what I mean I did then watch how to get away with murder and I liked it I saw that Olivia Pope came on and I liked it I finished that series one series that I'm waiting on but I still have mixed feelings about because y'all I am a type of person I do try to watch what I see and what I hear even though I could be rash as hell I try to maintain the outside influences cuz you have to be careful so American horror story I've only seen two seasons I saw the first one where they were in a crazy ass house girl with the woman walking around with the plastic kinky kinky suit on it's the name of onage whatever the hell you call it I saw that one and then I tried I tried to see coven I couldn't do it I couldn't do it I did watch the one with that dirty ass clown that clown walking around with a suit that hadn't been washing 40 years and he didn't have like no jaw something that was good freak show that was good but then look I told you I don't play around I don't play around with what I see there were a couple of scenes there in the beginning that was like oh y'all somebody was doing acid when they thought of this not to give away but I don't care there was one scene where I can't remember who it was the main character the older one with the blonde hair she's walking around in this underground sex place and they showed a scene of a woman bent over a tea cup and peeing in it I said you know what yeah I don't lost your damn mind done this is okay but maybe I'm just maybe it's me you know maybe I just can't handle that stuff but I'm okay I don't I don't want to be able to handle that I think that's what's wrong with our society our society one of the things that's wrong with our society we're no longer shocked by something we're no longer clutching our pearls we're accepting the foolery you know like if they allow this on TV what's next like the other day I was watching something on BET and they said DIC cap they didn't believe they said penis on here but not penis and he was like he just shook his head I'm like then what's what's next you know what I mean speaking of penis um so watching the previous episode of Ayana yeah I'm gonna pronounce her name correctly one day I promise you she had the young lady Brandy from the franchise basketball wives and she's married to I don't know his name but he played basketball for a while in the NBA her husband is basically cheating on her but girl she took him aside meaning I don't know whatever she took him aside and was basically questioning him you know about his relationship with his parents so the wife brandy says you know I've known he she's cheated on me eight times and you know it was very hurtful girl it was hurtful after the first time so um Ayana pulls him aside right she's talking to him about his relationship with his mother um he's never met his father yeah the camera went dead um he's never met his father his father's alive never met him neither one of them have reached out to the father I think that is to each other I mean I think that is absolutely sad that is that is horrible I mean they have their reasons clearly but if your father is alive and there was really no strife but you just didn't reach out why so anyway so she asked him girl how many women have you been with he said 341 I'm like what and but they bleep it out I'm like why the hell y'all bleeping this out this is what we need to hear three want three hundred and forty went out to say what it was I think he said it was easy to do 341 so she's like um do you think you may have a sex problem not yet yes he does girl just he needs to he needs to have a transplant just remove their entire lower body lower half of his body y'all he I'm being with a whole zip code of women like that doesn't make any sense you know when you're having intercourse sexual intercourse God forbid you're not using protection those you who are under the age of 18 cover your ears or hell you may need to hear this when you are having unprotected sex with someone you are exchanging blood bodily fluids you are exchanging energy you are literally sleeping with everyone they have slept with he did that 341 times then he went back to his wife and was putting that inside of her there's no wonder why she has cervical cancer y'all what type of void are you feeling to have laid up with 341 different people child he got community penis so she went back and told the wife brandy she couldn't take it because she was focused on the number when that shouldn't even be the focus you should have been upset about it the first time he decided to go around and swing his dingling and you know what it is they I was surprised to find out how young they they are like I mean she looked like she's in her mid to late 30s he looked like he's in his 40 me I thought he was in his his mid 40s all right y'all um yes y'all going to Texas soon I cannot wait to see my best friend y'all I am a habitual friend stiller friend was our mutuals friend friend and now that I think about it a lot of not a lot but quite a few of my friends or other friends like if I can think about it right now I have about two or two or three friends that I made on my own just like that damn introvert y'all this this is the back of my hair and look at that look at that that's all the way it went here yeah yeah the next hair related video hopefully will be my traveling with natural hair I will be blowing out my hair tomorrow I have tomorrow off not to blow out my hair but and we're gonna be starting on some DIYs I will one of you commented on a DIY that Natalie had a whole but had done I'm gonna go ahead and check that out sis yes I will be doing that so I several DIYs it will basically be a new DIY every two weeks is that okay with y'all all right y'all thank you so much for watching take care bye


Hey guys, happy Saturday. Oh my gosh. We got some good news today as you can tell by the title I am enjoying an oats banana and peanut butter smoothie So delicious and I just got finished playing with this palette from Colourpop the newest one that came out So I'm in a good mood and what puts me in an even better mood is the fact that Natasha Denona just revealed her Newest mini eyeshadow palette so I turned the camera on and we are going to talk about it So she's been teasing this yesterday. She totally gave it away She posted a photo of the bronze palette and then a black and white photo of the mini palette So duh mini bronze now I don't have the mini bronze palette if that's why you're here when one of my favorite brands Announced as a new palette. I kind of give my first impressions without even trying it and telling you my thoughts Yeah, mini bronze palette. I mean it feels like a natural Progression of what she's doing with her line. She's taking all of her larger palettes and turning them into minis It's a very smart marketing strategy and so the target this time was the bronze palette which is a midi size which I think is very interesting when she Chooses to create minis of the midi size instead of her bigger palettes. But yeah, let's take a look So we're gonna start off with the reveal on her Instagram story. I've taken a quick look at everything I haven't done like a hard investigation yet in case you're wondering what I know Not much not much more than you do if you haven't seen her stories yet Okay, so here it is This is the reveal on her IG story the new mini bronze palette right below the big or midi size Bronze palette from what I'm seeing. I feel like these two colors look the same These two colors look similar, but this has a little bit more reddish purple in there I don't see something similar to this shade, but it's definitely doable. We have I told you that this shade right here Kind of looks a little cooler than these two Interesting and then this shade right here would be closest to this one, but this one is more brownie orange This one definitely is more red So these are the only two shades that I feel like are super close, but the other colors They're not that special like this palette is not a unique palette But it is about getting an essential summer palette and summer colors within one color story So I'm not gonna knock it, but it's nothing new nothing exciting color story wise from what I'm able to tell so far And so you're able to pre-order on the Natasha Denona website if you want For me if I wanted to order it because it's below a certain amount of money It's $25 for shipping so I'm just gonna wait for it to come out on Sephora So I'm not pre-ordering it though I do think the shipping for Natasha Denona is really really fast and sometimes you get lucky and get the palette a little earlier Which is beneficial for somebody like me who's does this for a job, but I'm not paying $25 for shipping Sorry about it, but here's a closer look at the ballot You can see there's four creamy mattes and then one metallic shade, so it makes sense Okay, you guys it doesn't make sense for there to be four mattes because you can get a little bit more versatility with your looks With the more number of mattes you have, but also it's like boring, you know I like fun palettes So as you guys know Natasha Denona sells her products in a lot of places So it's gonna be available on Sephora's app July 18th That's when I'm going to be ordering it online July 19th, and then in stores July 27th, and then beauty list July 19th Here's all the EU stores that it's going to UK I love how she always shares exactly where and when the product is going to become available That's something that's awesome that Natasha Denona does so I really enjoy that So let's pop into the Natasha Denona website to see what details we can pull you can see the new mini bronze eyeshadow Palette officially launching July 19th. You see the palette here on the website. I would say Natasha's colors aren't normally misleading. I think she does a really nice job with photography So let's go to the page. It's gonna be at twenty seven dollars. Am I crazy or is that a little bit more expensive? Aren't they normally twenty five dollars? They're all twenty seven dollars online So either she did price increases or I'm crazy, but it's twenty seven dollars and by nature with these palettes She has a whole collection of these. These are not technically a good value for the price per gram However, Natasha Denona palettes are extremely expensive. They're quite pricey So these are a good way to try the formula and get her good formula Hopefully for something that's not gonna break the bank and hurt your wallet all at once when she first started with these Minis they weren't as good quality But now I've noticed a repetitive pattern of them being as good quality as her full size palettes So let's see twenty seven dollars inspired by Natasha's best-selling midi bronze palette Which we did the comparisons earlier. It's a shade extension from this palette Bringing together five warm toned neutrals in creamy matte and metallic finishes perfect for summer or fall I do agree with everything that's being said. Here's all the details It looks like it's going to be made in Italy, which is awesome that she has this on the site be loud and proud Here is the weight and everything if you need to know and then we have the shade description So I did see the shades earlier trend mood post is them and from what I could find I didn't see that these were repeat shades, but I know that you guys will let me know if I'm incorrect I didn't look too incredibly hard But there definitely are not any dupes from this palette or any repeat shades if there are any previous repeat shades Let me know sometimes Natasha does disclose when they're repeat shades and just have different names, but as far as I know right now They seem to be new shades, but if they were repeats, I wouldn't be surprised because these are pretty neutral colors So just let me know down below as more information comes out, but we have Russet, which is a matte warm dark brown then we have flesh, which is a matte creamy beige nude Gobi, which is a matte medium tangerine brown bronze foil, which is a metallic Coppery bronze and then tough, which is a matte medium terracotta So what are my overall thoughts about this palette? I mean, I'd be lying to say that I was jumping for joy for this palette I don't think it's the most exciting palette that Natasha has come out with though I am not upset that she came out with this because bronze shades really are essential For the summer and fall and it just made sense with what she was doing with her line to create a mini of the bronze palette The bronze palette is a very beautiful palette. I really like this. I've used it a lot My main critique about this palette was that no matter what shades you pull together here You get kind of the same look every single time So that's why I don't feel like we needed a mini off of this because all of the looks look the same anyways But I think it's a great way to get bronze tones in a small little palette She does have other minis that could deliver a similar look. I like however that this is format I think that gives you a little bit more versatility in the looks But like I said you guys know I like shimmer so it is disappointing to me But it does make sense to me and I think you know if somebody does not have the largest makeup collection This is really great. This is great for travel If you have accumulated a number of eyeshadow palettes, is this going to be something that is Amazing and unique in your collection absolutely not but I think it fits into her line I'm not upset about it at all and even if Natasha Denona comes out with a boring palette I don't get too upset like I do with Pat McGrath because Natasha's line and collection offers a lot of range She comes out with the boring palettes But she also is not afraid to step outside of the box and she definitely fulfills me in that area as well So she pleases everybody and that's what I really like about the eyeshadow palettes She comes out with and I'm excited I feel like this is gonna be good when you kind of can't mess these tones up if I'm being honest Neutral browns are like the easiest shades to formulate especially on the warmer side So she has to kill it with this and then her foil shades are always quite incredible What I'm most interested in seeing is how dupable this palette is within her own range I'm excited to compare these two other palettes that I have from her It does look like a decent extension of the bronze palette However, I just feel like this one didn't need an extension because you can't get many looks and variety with this palette Anyways, but it's in a small travel format It's a much more palatable price to pay for Natasha Denona's formula So I think it's a good launch just not jumping for joy about it Let me know your thoughts down below Are you guys going to pick this up one of my favorite parts of these videos is hearing your thoughts and what you think about this palette? I'm trying to see before I get off here It does not specify whether or not it is going to be limited edition Natasha Denona normally isn't honest about that if I'm being honest in the first place We'll see a time will tell but I'm excited to hear you guys's thoughts on this one I'm excited to see what Natasha comes out with later in the year I feel like she has some exciting things in the works. So this one. It was just kind of a Launch that's perfect for summer. So I hope you guys enjoyed this video and found that helpful Make sure you're subscribed to my channel because I of course will be picking this up Reviewing it swatching doing swatch comparisons if there's any palette in particular you want me to compare this to in my review Let me know down below now is your time to speak and I'm gonna head out So I will catch you guys in the next one. Bye guys. Have a good one


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