The Astros and Yankees played a wild extra inning game where the Astros walked them off And we have a pitchers duel coming up in game three What's going on everybody? Thank you for tuning in to talking baseball. It is October 14th We're in the middle of the championship series two games have been played in each in the AL It is now tied one to one in the NL The Cardinals are down To they are winless the Nats are to and oh we will be Recapping the Yankees Astros game from last night in previewing game three. We're running behind Because I am a pile of trash right now and I can't really talk and It's gonna be a weird episode. I don't think a podcast has ever opened with those words My name is John Boyd and that was Jake if your first time viewer listener. Yeah, man I I Texted Jake last night. I said because the Yankees went to what 1 a.m. And then we recorded till 2 a.m. I didn't get into bed until 3 a.m. And I texted you and I said hey, I'm not setting a law on alarm I just gonna I have to let myself sleep in as long as I can I did that and I thought it would have me Rejuvenated No, it's like all right. Let's start the day good so I went to Across the street to get breakfast and coffee and I couldn't talk when I tried to order my food and they were looking at me like And I was like, can I And then I didn't realize that's how the shape I'm in I told you I think I'm getting sick I think I'm sick. Anyway, I've never been as foggy and brainless as I have so how are you doing? I'm doing all right. I Not to be salt in the wound. I had a pretty good refresher sleep. I'm okay Yeah, and yeah, I don't know it's Time heals all wounds last night. There's definitely a tough low moment I know right after Houston walked off my girlfriend who had been asleep for three hours like popped up and gave the sleepy like Are you still awake? What's going on?  And I was like, I don't know how you want me to answer that question, but I think you should go to bed We did a sad sad recap of the game Man, it's brutal. I will say this this this podcast is more for baseball fans obviously just across the league and If you're a third-party fan, which I'm sure we have a ton of that listen this that aren't Yankees fans aren't Astros fans If you watch that game, that's a hell of a game That's crazy.  Yeah, I mean it's gonna be cool to look back at obviously didn't go the Yankees ways We might earn some Cardinals fans today Jim I just realized that and I know you and them have been beefing online. So I'm I'm excited You know, why are we gonna earn Cardinals fans? Because I think we're rooting for him today. Oh, yeah, big time big time. Yeah, I don't want a boring series Exactly. Yeah. All right. So this episode is brought to you by Todd a man well a that's the Todd father He's a big talking Yankees supporter been with us all season. Appreciate that. Thanks Todd for coming aboard talking baseball Joseph W. Leonard. What do you think the W stands for? Win baby, that's lame Joseph. I might know Joe Leonard. I know a Joe Leonard Joey Leo David Altman Daniel Valera Valera is a cool name. Yeah Bravick Bravick, yeah Constantine with a C which is a bomber And Constantine Kohler. Well, you know the the 2003 Something corporate fan in me. I can spell Constantine with a K and I can like it I mean you write down that lyric and you're just the baddest guy in middle school Yeah, it's actually you know confusion with a K and I can like I think if you went back over to the to the Breakfast place this morning. They'd be like were you a 2003 something corporate fan.  He is our latest to round it out. Thank you guys very much as I fake energy here This Yankees Astros game Jake was nuts You don't have a burn, right I do have a burn Oh, how you wrote when you didn't have one last night. You wrote one today Yeah, I mean the burn I would have written in last night. We hours of the morning after some daiquiris about that game Would not have been anything anyone would have won here. I don't think what it would have sounded more like Adam Sandler in the wedding singer or what sounded more like Jason Siegel's Dracula's laminate. Oh I always Jason Siegel's Dracula's lament Lament laminate And if I see fun her sing I pray to the Lord I will slay him All right, it's uh, it's not a fantastic burn, but you got to burn it It's getting kind of hard to believe things are going to get to better I Might I might get that tattooed. I've been drowning too long to believe that the tides going to turn That's such a good song or seen in a body.  Okay. Let's burn it. Okay On your mark get set Burn Game two and a must-win game for Houston with their cat daddy Justin Verlander verse the Yankees and James Paxton the big maple a and he'd get himself into some syrup early CJ Correa RBI double Paxton he gets pulled after 2.1 It's not easy being green and it ain't easy hitting greenest Chad puts in a heroic effort to keep the score at one Nothing Stroze Justin Verlander made one big mistake to one big man Judge jumps Justin for a two-run salami. It's two one Yankees nervous times in H town until top five Springer dinger Georgie sends one into orbit locked up at Tuesday stay that way until the 11th and then Correa Oppo taco off the happer Astros moonwalk it off three to tie the series of ones Whoo And I've been living too hard to believe things are going to get easier now Dracula Quote the whole movie. Yeah, there's so much to talk about in this game Like little things that we could get into that. I just I just kind of like If you're a There's so much man. There's so much. Yeah Paxton only went two and a third for the Yankees But that was fine. I mean you'd like you to go five But the Yankees have a bullpen built to survive that if they had more than two runs Then they go seven innings with the bullpen one earned run or whatever, you know So like Chad to Otto To Kainley to Britain to Chapman it would have worked out if they just could get more offense So like a lot of people are trying to say this is what happens when the Yankees don't have any pitching They held Houston to three runs over two games. So it's not on the Yankees pitching They're doing their job and the Yankees offense was pretty bad and and the way I said it was I liked the way they were Approaching Verlander to get to a cross a lot of traffic against him It was I liked their approach against Verlander it seemed like When we the Yankees finally got to the pen That's when they're supposed to really attack But it seems then they were like what's our approach now and no one could figure out how to attack it and big credit Joe Smith out of that name out of Houston's pen the sidewinder 35 year old been around for a while Submarine pitcher almost he was really good. And yeah, he had some pitches that were really really good. So I Mean that's kind of my summary on like the big picture I see a lot of people trying to blame Yankees pitching and Paxton for not going deep They could have easily won the game Shutting down the Astros to only two runs with out of Vino's Meatball to Springer and good for Springer for jumping all over it It's the Yankees offense. That was the problem and they got a couple guys that are looking really bad But to be fair Jake Astros have a couple guys that look really bad at the plate as well and Credit to their bullpen. They said their bullpen stepped up yeah, and Unfortunately for the Yankees one of the guys who had been looking back for the Astros was Springer Until a lot of you know hung that pitch to him and he he wrecked it. Yeah, man I mean this was an incredible game. It was the 2-2 into the 11th And yeah, both bullpens did their job. I mean Harris Harris looked really good. Oh, Zuna looked really good Smith Presley's the one that for them. It doesn't look like the Yankees are pretty much all over him and even Josh James has been having a big early series for them Which which is huge. He's he's arguably got the most talented arm out there And yeah, I mean that that's the thing that's gonna get misconstrued in this if you're listening to and I'll send a Shot fired at the the former leader ESPN But I'm sure if you turned into ESPN across the country Be like oh the Yankees starting pitching couldn't do it and that's why the bullpen blew it like no like Paxton didn't look great and they went to the bullpen because they wanted to and then the bullpen did their job if except for one pitch For about eight innings So yeah, and it was great baseball there the the other replay you're gonna see a ton of is is lamehue trying to score I think it was Guardi ripped a ball went off Altuve Correa barehands it pegs it home a perfect throw Perfect play by Carlos Correa And that you know Yankee fans were mad about that at the time because it would have been bases loaded But it would have been bases loaded for Gary who's one of the Yankees that has looked lost this series I even think you can't even think about like in the moment Phil Nevins not thinking how many outs are there who's up? What's the situation like in the moment? He's thinking that ball is bouncing away erratically from Altuve and Send him home. I think I think that's part of the third base to coach's job a little bit to know Who's on deck like if Aaron judge was coming up? I don't think they send lamehue I think you kind of have to know the situation a little bit But yeah, I mean the runners were moving the ball bounces away from Altuve and Yeah, if there was a minor bobble if there if the throw was a little bit off DJ lamehue has a really good chance to score Correa who's in a position You know Carlos Correa, he's on the second base side of the bag barehanding a ball turning his body and throwing home That's not a throw short stops practice a lot. That's it's it's not a regular routine play He pegged it. I think it came in at 88 miles per hour on stat cast And lamehue was out by a good couple steps and yeah It was a it was an aggressive play if lamehue scores there everyone's a genius the catcher has to catch the ball You know if Correa short hops it that's a tough play to make for the catcher They executed it perfectly and there was a lot of stuff executed perfectly except Kind of two pitches by by the Yankees In one pitch by Justin Verlander Yeah, that Verlander pitch to judge was just as much a hanger as the autovino was to Springer but credit to both of them and I will say the balls are so de-juiced Jake and It's crazy how much our brain or at least mine I know a lot of other people out there with me has trained for like hard contact to just be a home run I think in the regular season Correa has won earlier Springer has won earlier judge has to Geo has won Every time the balls hit I'm like oh, it's going Yeah, you're you're you're not gonna be too pleased with me.  I definitely think there's a chance I just think we have such a small sample size playoff baseball is different And like we don't have a lot of the bad pitchers out there That would be giving up a lot of these a lot of the moon shots and stuff like that Yeah, and I mean there there are there's a lot of I know it's a small sample size But there's a lot of data with the same yeah, and I went through those threads, and I'm not saying it's wrong I think there's there's very well a chance if it came out in three weeks And it's like oh, yeah balls were unjuiced a little bit And now the number everyone's thrown around is the four and a half feet the number the Cardinals front office throughout there You know, I wouldn't be shocked, but at the same time I think you could also put together a decent case where it's like, okay, it's a small sample size We've got every team throwing their best players There's a lot better pitching playoff baseball is a little different I know the weather thing is kind of a factor, but that one guy kind of ruled it out in his thread I'm I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm not fully bought in on an unjuice ball. Yeah. Oh, yeah I don't care about the pitching talent. I just hard contact like So many of these are gone off the bat and we've seen players like celebrate and like thinking they got them too And then they just fall short Yeah, I mean the what the one player that was celebrating was a rookie catcher that thought he walked off and won the series for a Dodgers So I don't know. There's a couple like Geo thought he got that one judge thought he got his Verlander thought judges was out. There was like, you know, I Think that's a little fear of the playoff to me. It's not basically in my head Right, right and I need more proof. It is Yeah, cuz even little like even Glabour's bloop died Balls are just not traveling as far like every I have a bad read on every ball and all season long I didn't have bad reads on balls Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see like I don't know Jay Hap comes in and he was arguably the least talented pitcher to come in for The Yankees Korea's ball traveled pretty well The one the one hanger that Ottavino left for Korea or for Springer that ball traveled pretty well So I don't know I There's a lot of playoff baseball involved in it Yeah There's all this stuff about tipping cuz Paxton tipped his pitches earlier with Against the Astros the Astros clearly had a tell on Glass now in game five the Yankees had pictures of Presley in his set position because he had a tell and then they scored runs off him at four singles in a row There's it's come to a heightened point Jake and I just anyone that listens to talking baseball You're my good friend and I like you If you're one of these people that may be new to the game and that's great welcome We welcome you to the fan base. It is so normal For players to try and find tells in other pitchers.   You know Astros fans upset? It's like well They are they're really good at finding tells every single game the pitchers that aren't pitching in the game Their job is to stare at the other pitcher stare at the runners on base stare at the first base coach and Find tells like it's so normal, but there's so many people in my mentions getting upset. So I'm gonna let you know Astros yeah, but be proud. I think your team's really good Part of what's getting lost in translation there is like yeah, Alex Bregman's still really good and another part of that is he can pick up on Different things pitchers are doing to give him an advantage to know that fastballs coming or to know the curve balls coming and it is you You know, I like to compare things across sports a little bit like This is a huge part of like the NFL and NBA like if a wide receiver on a go route If he always does the same thing every time with his hands or something like that Like that's exactly what a cornerback is looking for a defensive coordinator like we see this across sports and no It's it's it's not even close to cheating. It's it's trying Yeah, yeah, did you see what Brandon McCarthy replied to me? Mm-hmm, cuz I treated out like the thing we said about Josh Toley how he said Batista was really good at it and Brandon McCarthy X pitcher Replied to my treat and said Carlos Beltran could pick up every pitcher's tell if they had one in five pitches Yeah, like he was the best at it yeah, and it's a It's yeah Encourage you should want your your team is doing it Not I wasn't gonna I was gonna say encourage your team to do it your team is doing it It's it's just a matter of how you know it or not You mentioned our friend of the program Tim Melville the Rockies pitcher also reached out and like yeah It's like it's it's part of what guys are supposed to do and it could be the little list of things It could be in their footwork. It could be when they received the call You know there you said they were looking at first base coaches to see their reaction to see if they see something And I mean it can be it can be a subtle a subtle can get because it's they you're trying to get an advantage to win the game sports Sports. Yeah, so I I would guess a vast majority people listening to this understand that But if you're new and you don't realize that that it's not a point of contention I'm so many people still in my mentions. Oh, yeah Anyway, this game goes goes back to the stadium. I mean if you're Yankees fan Your heart broken because of the fashion in which game two was lost and all the little moments that could have won it But you're happy you held the Astros to three runs in two games at their stadium. You split their stadium It's now a five game set and the Yankees have home field advantage The Astros have coal on the mount. So that's the balance right there five game set Yankees now have home field advantage the next three games at Yankee Stadium the pitching doesn't really match up great for the Astros besides coal Because I mean once they get past coal Granky where the Yankees already beat and then the bullpen day But if there's a rain out that pushes that back anyway, this is gonna be a good set I think Jake's pretty convinced it's gonna go seven games.  You'd be speaking perfect English to your breakfast place We'd be talking we'd be talking about the Nats Yankees World Series and figuring out You know buying train tickets and stuff like that And yeah, I mean Houston is right back in it and you know Bregman comes out with the quote that you know this it was never gonna be o2 a little bit of a hard-o quote I think a lot of honest Houston fans would say that too. Well, I don't care about that quote. He's just He's just I mean he's I Don't care about I I don't have any qualms with that quote. Oh, yeah, I don't it's just a little bit of a hard Quote, I mean, that's I don't think there's anything wrong with that But yeah, you you went from to oh you could be basically the series was was over in Yankees fans Had if they won that one now, it's one one with Garrett Cole coming out And it's it's almost like Houston I with Garrett Cole on the mound It feels like Houston has the advantage going into this game It'll be interesting to see how the stadiums rock in for the Tuesday 4 o'clock start The Yankees have been really good at home For the duration of the season they they haven't During the regular season, they hadn't lost a home series since mid-April That's that's real and then they sweep the twins So they are confident at home that Cole that Cole game at home is gonna be interesting And I know, you know Joe Torrey Joe Torrey changed the the umpires that the The the chief of the crew It calls game three because he thinks it's the most important which I think that's hilarious It's a little bit of old-school mindset, but it's kind of fun too. So I don't know must watch TV It's been good baseball like I'm I am happy. We're not sitting here being like, you know That ball goes off or shell is foot and we lost the game like, you know what they they want it I Will say that I like that by Joe Torrey I'm thinking about I'm thinking about it right now and it's a good transition into previewing the upcoming series because For Yankees Astros game three is now 1-1 tie. It's a huge game and for the Cardinals nationals game three is tonight and it's either the series is over or we have a series. It's a huge game Yeah, let's uh, I think I said master chief I think that's a little halo reference. So master chef Master chef Gordon.  It's a great Great matchup. It's Flaherty versus Strasburg. I mean Annabelle Sanchez and fucking Scherzer had no hits no hitters going through six And now we have Strasburg who's been the best pitcher for them going in game three Jake Well, it's a tall order for the Cardinals but they do have Flaherty on the mound and I actually think there's so much pressure on Flaherty because You're trying to win for an offense that can't do anything and is going against one of the better pitchers Like Flaherty's got to be thinking.  So I mean, I don't know how much Pressure Flaherty's putting on himself But I think if he was to sit down and really think about the situation he could really work himself into a frenzy of pressure Yeah, and I think he wants it I mean from what we've seen about Jack Flaherty's personality when we saw him in the game five that ended up being the blowout But he still wanted to to shove and you know his mom in the stands good time I mean Flaherty wants this.  It's ugly and you and I we circled around this last time and you could say this with so many of the playoff games, but St. Louis needs a hit in the first inning They they need if they if they don't I think the number you said was the fourth inning if they don't have a hit by the fourth inning The series is done. I think mentally Cardinals players not all of them there will be some with some guts and some gusto and drive I think half of them if there's no hits by the fourth inning. They're like It ain't us. We had a good run Yeah, and I um this this is where Cardinals fans end up hating us But I don't know when when you start thinking about what the World Series can look like. I mean the Cardinals I don't know prove me wrong Cardinals. That's what I always come back to it looks like We've got some guys that have decent numbers off Strasburg Ozuna is 14 for 44 That's a 318 average and a lot of experience Goldschmidt 6 for 23 and I think This might be the official lineup that'd be really early, but I think Jose Martinez we talked about him last time He's four for his last four all pinch hit at bats If you've got that guy and you've essentially been one hit back-to-back games you need to put him in the lineup So I don't know like that'll be an interesting thing to watch if they do shake up the lineup if it is Jose Martinez You know if he puts up if he gets a hit early like the Cardinals look around and be like yep, that's what changed We're good now You just need something to get you away from the past two games.  It's not like It's not like he's just this bench guy that's lucked into a few hits like he's a good hitter And he's he's been a part of this team for a couple years now He's part of the reason like a guy like Luke Voight was expendable who full circle look at the Yakes now But no, I think you have to find a way to get him in the lineup So if he goes to right field What's So the movement there ESPN has like a I don't know if this is a mock lineup in front of me But it would be Fowler Wong Goldschmidt Ozuna Molina Martinez Edmund De Jong. What's the defensive alignment? With Martinez and right field Fowler and center Edmund at third Yes, so I guess Carpenter is the guy you're taking out of the lineup. Yeah Well, he's been he hasn't had any hits, right? No one has any I think you have to get Martinez into this game For one or two at bats if then if something shakes up shake it up, but I He has two hits and two at bats and the rest of the team has two hits and 50 or 60 games.  He took himself out of the game Defensively at third base. He's not what he used to be And I mean, it's not like Matt Carpenter is gonna be out of this game It's nationally baseball like you're he's going to have an opportunity to be a threat off the bench Whether it's against Strasburg later or Daniel Hudson later potentially So, yeah, I don't know when when you have a guy who's matched the teams hit total for two days You got a roll them out there Jake Jack Flaherty hasn't faced the Washington Nationals at all this year But I was looking at his game log guess how many starts he had against the Cubs Six exactly six. I think that's the most I've ever seen. I know they're in the same division But it's still a lot of games against one team Yeah, I mean six six out of 19 games. You saw the same dude. It was nuts, right? I don't know how that worked out Anyway, he saw the Nationals at the end of 2018 And he went five innings pitched one earned run Probably and he was facing Scherzer. That's kind of cool Trey Turner got him for a home run Watch out for Trey. Oh Interesting jumping fastballs Yeah, and uh Strasburg You know, he's he's got his faux historic stats if we want to call him that he's been extremely good as a playoff pitcher one three two eRA Five starts six starts whatever it is now And he's I mean he's gonna be there. I I don't if you're the Cardinals you're not coming in the mindset with them Well, hey it worked against the Braves go get that ten run first inning But I don't think you're gonna knock around Strasburg if anything. It's it's a bloop and a blast or you know You a small ball inning here or there But there's no reason to not think this is gonna be 1-0 and 2-1 in the seventh inning right yet get someone on for a Zuna his numbers were Strasburg Okay, are pretty good That's your shot get someone on for a Zuna And then Goldie's got to come through man, didn't we say that like it Goldie and and No, that was a game to Goldie and Rendon had bad stats versus the other pitcher That was game to We're rooting Cardinals right You're rooting Cardinals just because you wanted to become a series You can really you know the the lore of Jack Flaherty can become more of a thing And it should be more of a thing for how good a second half was Yeah, man, I don't know like again like Goldie on the on the postseason as a whole his numbers still look really good But this series obviously everyone's numbers look bad except Jose Martinez I have a close second-rooting interest, okay a no-hitter Like if the Cardinals are gonna lose this game, right they better not get a hit That's that's basically where I'm either win the game Cardinals or make history and get no hit through six innings again Yeah, let's get historical. Let's have some fun Isn't that your favorite t-shirt let's get historical let's get historical I I had a sick to my stomach moment before we started doing the podcast one of my buddies Andy sent me A late birthday present. It's a shirt. I'm wearing it's a Kentucky go-kats shirt. He went to University of Kentucky So did James Paxton so I put the shirt on took a picture and then I Maybe it was the coffee, but my stomach wasn't too happy with myself for a second. Did uh, does your friend know that? Calipers my neighbor Yeah, okay, cool Okay, cool then cool great great James Paxton went to Kentucky Yeah, that makes sense in my head.  Yeah Yeah Yeah, I don't see the Cardinals winning. I'm rooting for them. I Don't see it happening Yeah, I mean I'm I'm rooting for the Cardinals hard tonight. Just so my road game wins the first three so I can dig that quote up I think I think I think I think that just just think about it when when we're talking World Series preview and Cardinals fans like close your ears right now or tweet mean things at talking Jake World Series preview either the mighty Astros or the mighty Yankees advance all those young good guys on the Astros Verlander Cole the Yankees all their talent the home runs the prestige the Yankees If the Cardinals come through it's gonna be like Goldies good yachty and Wainwright are giving it one more try if it's the Nationals it's Strasburg Scherzer Corbin They've got their big three Juan Soto the young star Rendon the underrated MVP like I'm sorry Cardinals and Jim you can confirm this when it comes to brackets NCA tournament back to Kentucky You know, I like to fill them out storyline style Like I love when the old assistant coach faces his former mentor like I'm going to fill out my brackets So those teams meet If you start doing storyline of this World Series, it doesn't have the Cardinals in it. Okay? I'm a dead man in st. Louis. Thank you.  Here's what I want to see. Are you ready?  We're we're in the third inning Okay, and my eyes are closed. It's a third inning Strasburg has He just finishes the third inning and he's got his nine up nine down Cardinals don't have a base runner nor a hit yet Okay Strasburg now comes out for the top of the fourth inning. Okay Someone in the stands in DC stands up at a quiet moment says Hey Let's get historical and then everyone in Washington just starts clapping clapping in there. Yeah, let's get historical Let's get historical Historical the president mascots pop out and they're like, yes historical. Yes history. Yes. Yes Let's make history and then the Cardinals fans. They say, okay fine And then they get Strasburg perfect game and then and then it's a big t-shirt and everyone loves it No, it'll fully put me on team Cardinals. I Want two guys on the Cardinals Leaning into pitches Roger Dorn Just full little league Roger Dorn style. We need guys on base Start leaning over the plate.   Everyone's like that's not cool man. You should be hurt. He's like, nah, either Nah, we're glad you got hit, but yeah, nah All right. It's the end of this show Yeah Go our go our Cardinals. I think I think I told I told employee bill. I really like that Nick man I don't know if he likes it. Yeah, I don't love it people were asking Who's that? Yeah, the Paris code. I was last employee bill.  Nice And just lay on the couch heard it really, uh, you know, I love my dude Ryan Rossillo He had adnan verc on who has a popular movie podcast and he's like a movie geek geek They had a really good debate about Joker. It was interesting I mean, it's totally over my head because I have like no actual movie context in my brain But you'd probably like the conversation.  I think I got through this. Okay Yeah All right Hey, that ends it. We'll be back tomorrow to recap whatever happens tonight. Hopefully there's some excitement and Preview game three Cole versus Severino at the stadium in the Bronx


Hello, my name is Dervila and I'm from originally from Wexford. I've been actually living in Germany for the last 30 years and I'm a latecomer to ELT. I've been teaching for the last 12 years and actually just did my master's degree at Manchester Online last year. So I'm a newcomer to everything. I've never spoken at a conference before. So far I've enjoyed the conference and I've learned some new words. I've never heard of what a DOS was before yesterday. So I'm not a DOS. I'm not an academic manager. I'm a teacher and I'm really passionate about teaching. Good. So let me just tell you something about my context. First of all, my topic today is learner autonomy in a communicative classroom, mainly because the main aims of Germans are to speak the language. OK, so just my context. I'm an actually I'm an in company English teacher. I am living in Bavaria and I teach mainly adults and they are in many different departments from IT, marketing, finance to engineering. I also teach a few apprentices and these are my youngest learners that I have. I also teach at a university. I don't teach students. I teach lecturers and administrative staff. So here I'm teaching just monolingual learners and they're all German speakers, usually very, very small groups between three and 12 on average, about six participants, the level from A2 to C1. Most of them are between a sort of a B1, a B2 level. They have English once a week. So we're talking about a 90 minute session. Once a week could be over a period of 20 weeks. It could last for years in some companies. So basically here, a lot of the Germans have been through at school, the grammar translation methodology. And when they come to me, so there's been so much input and now they want to actually output, so they want to speak the language. So this will be a kind of a typical needs analysis. They small talk, negotiations at meetings, conversation, topics, business talk, speaking about technical things, telephoning, emails, speaking practice. These are not really clear needs. You know, I have to really find out what technical topics for one could be talking about a transmission. And for another student, it could be talking about, I don't know, food technology. So, you know, so I kind of thought, so the message here is clear. So the message, sorry. OK, it doesn't matter. The message here is clear. They want to talk more. So the challenge for me is kind of focusing on speaking activities, either meaning focused, form focused, interesting and engaging speaking topics, speaking activities for different levels. So I kind of thought, how am I going to, how am I going to do this? So I kind of thought, if I get the students more involved, but they bring in information into the class, this will kind of help us to have more engaging, more interesting conversations. So I decided sort of, OK, so let's kind of promote learner autonomy. So here we have some definitions. Learner autonomy is a capacity for detachment, critical reflection, decision making and independent action. Our learner autonomy is characterized by readiness to take charge of one's own learning in the service of one's needs and purposes. So basically, if we look at the cloud there, we're talking about, you know, that the students set their own goals, that they kind of make the decisions, that they're bringing material into the class, that they're sort of getting involved. And it's not me sort of bringing in a topic into the class. You know, I especially if a student has a meeting, an important meeting the next morning, I can say, oh, well, today we have to do conditionals. You know, I have to react. I have to sort of sort of get involved and want to see how I can help this my student. So here are some sort of hands on sort of ideas. I've always been brought a lot of images into the classroom. So here are some images that some of my students would have brought into the classroom. We have a young boy here. He's with his dog and the girl is climbing. So there is like, of course, you could ask lots of questions where, when, what, why, how often. So it's kind of endless. It leads to so much unplugged conversation. For example, people have taken photographs of things they'd like to sell. And so we've had sort of sort of selling sales negotiations in class, but it's coming from them. It's it's just leading in all different directions. As I teach in Germany, I teach a lot of engineers. And of course, the topic materials is also very important in class. And so we would do sort of the properties of materials and and talk about sort of the different types of materials. And then as a follow up, I might ask them to bring in their own photos, their own images. So here you can see we have a coffee maker, a bicycle and a stove. So the students would kind of say why it's so important. They love the word thingamabop. They just just love that. So then they all know they're always talking about the thingamabop if they can't remember the name. So here we have the stove. So they would kind of say, you know, it's sort of made of heat resistant glass, made of ceramics. It would also give them the chance. This conversation would actually lead in all different directions. I think, you know, two different types of heating systems. The bicycle here made of aluminium, they would kind of compare. Well, why don't you have one made of carbon where the best cycling routes? So it's all very, very unplugged. But the main thing is that the students are bringing in this material into class. Also here, this is a student's video. Unfortunately, the format isn't compatible today. So I asked the students to just take a video for their own video, doing something or somebody else doing something for it had to be under 20 seconds. So here we have a student. She's involved in archery. And so this was a great way of sort of eliciting all these words. And in the end, you know, this student is called Angelica. And one guy couldn't remember her name. So he almost said refer to her as the bow and arrow student. So it was a nice way of sort of you can. It just also leads in lots of different directions that can be asking questions. It can be describing, giving instructions. Great for giving instructions, the rules of games. So there's many different ways. But the thing is they bought in their own video, their own images into the class they were involved. It just made the whole thing more authentic. Another idea is these everybody is familiar with these agree and disagree statements. I have a lot of advanced courses and they want to have a rant about something. And so I would actually put, you know, put up on the screen some agree and disagree statements. For example, companies should never outsource their core competencies. Printed newspapers will go the way of the dinosaur. Job security is more important than money. So this would be maybe it would be a lesson where we might review sort of giving giving opinions, agreeing, disagreeing. And then I would actually sort of follow it up that I would send the students home and say, next week, come in with your own statements. So this has really sort of also led in all different directions. They're bringing in their interests. They have to think about what they're doing, what they want to talk about. So this will be an example. Driverless cars will become mainstream in 20 years. Of course, Bayern Munich is the best football team in the world or in Europe. So this is going to cause a lot of conversation in in Germany. So, you know, I've got a lot of Russia Dortmund fans. So so this is really sort of so they're bringing in what they want to talk about. And this is just making it whole the whole experience more authentic. You could also do it with sort of a two students like just jumble the sentences and ask the students to unjumble them. So dogs are more loyal than cats. And they would maybe able to just one or two sentences. They agree or disagree. I would then actually follow it up and ask the students to write their own comparative statement. So it would be maybe sort of London is more expensive than Munich or whatever. So it's a nicer way of sort of doing a little bit of grammar instead of in kind of gap filled sentences. Just to sort of finish up the kind of the message here is just kind of if the students are more involved, it just makes the whole conversation more authentic. And for example, students might write their own suggestions. Everybody has cards. Talk for a minute. So instead of getting so instead of using my suggestions, the students would actually sort of write their own suggestions. So talk for a minute about your chair, your car, a film you watched recently. This could be done on paper or it could actually be done. Is everybody familiar with the website line of it? Yeah, it's a kind of a online pin board where you can kind of share all your ideas in the class. They have their iPads or their smartphones and their sort of brainstorming. OK, so also I as I teach a lot in companies, I've noticed over the years that a lot of the the business books, a lot of the meeting scenarios, you know, my students just can't identify with these business scenarios. So I turn it around and get them to suggest what they would actually like to talk about. So in one company, the week before last, the one person wrote outsourcing our travel management division was a bad decision. So they this actually happened in their company. So they were able to, you know, talk about it. And the same here, changing that they to cut costs, they had to to buy at least 25 percent of the parts from Asian suppliers. So this was, you know, this was a real situation. The message here is just ears and eyes, awareness outside the classroom. You know, the news, bring it into the class, newspapers, your images. You've got students going around Dublin. Why not take a photo of nice building, bring it into class, talk about the building, whatever. And advertisements, I love advertisements. I was in London just before the Olympics and I had a marketing group and there was some some fantastic advertisements. There was an advertisement for Capris and they were weightlifting. So I brought this into the marketing group and, you know, they had a ball. We just it just elicited so much conversation. And it all led to unplug teaching. And that's what a lot of my students want, because they say when they meet, when they're at a business meeting, they have to be spontaneous. So there's no room for all this sort of practice. OK. Yeah, I'm just interviewing. Why not interview the secretary at the at the language school? And so just the idea here is just open up your eyes, get out, bring pictures, information into the class and have a good conversation, practice. OK, thank you very much.


Well welcome everyone who is attending viewing especially if you're a student we are happy to have you here. This meeting is being recorded. Perfect now it's recording. I so I am the head of the QID slash CHIPS board for the Quality Youth Engagement Development Program which in part of that to get a ours community EWSD school district to a three star community is to have hold a webinar for all youth to attend with our local representatives and this is exactly that. So I my name is Liam Redmond and I'm head of the QID board and I would just ask if all the representatives can go around and share their name how long they have been serving in their community. Great I'll start. Hi everyone Laurie Houghton and I serve Essex Junction. This is my third term so they're two years. So I'm in my fifth year I just finished my fifth year and I serve on the house health care committee. And I'll go next Mary Beth Redmond I serve on house human services and this I am in my second term and I represent Essex the town outside of the village. I'll go next my name is Alyssa Black and I serve Chittenden 8-3 which is sort of the rural parts of Essex along with all of Westford. I'm in my first term so just have the one year so far under my belt and I serve on the house health care committee along with Representative Houghton. Hi I am Tanya Vihovsky. I am also just finishing my first term and am district mates with Representative Redmond and I am on the government operations committee. Hi everyone I'm Karen Gowan I represent Essex Junction along with Representative Houghton and I am on the corrections institutions committee and very excited to be here for this opportunity. Thanks. Perfect thank you all so much for attending today and agreeing to participate. So we will be asking questions from a variety of different topics but first we will start with a climate related question. So the question is 45 percent of Vermont's greenhouse gas emissions are from transportation. What is the legislature doing to address this and reduce emissions? So I can start and then whoever wants to jump in this was a huge focus of the transportation committee this coming session. They every year do what's called the T-bill it's a big bill of millions of dollars that focuses on transportation you know repaving our roads throughout the state because tourism is such a big part of our economy and so having good roads is really important but this year they really tried to put in more intentional incentives for people to buy electric bikes for people to of people within a certain income bracket to be able to access tax credits and incentives to you know when they buy a new car move to a hybrid or an electric vehicle there's a lot of money in the T-bill to replace all of our public transit with electric buses in the coming years. So yeah I mean we are the only state in New England who's who has seen its emissions rising in New England and so that is very concerning and we're really trying to make some good investments so I'll stop there if anyone else wants to jump in. Hi I'm happy to jump in a little bit too you know one of the things that we know is that Vermont is a state where oftentimes a lengthy commute is standard and we also know that this is an economic justice issue so one of the things that the T-bill really also looked at is where we can expand some of these incentives or make these incentives more accessible to people who maybe can't access a tax credit or perhaps you know can't afford to upgrade to their car being more efficient you know one of the things we're also looking at is expanding what public transportation looks like you know in a city like Boston you can have a subway and everyone can just easily access it but in a state like Vermont where we have rural communities that are many many miles apart having a set bus route doesn't necessarily work so one of the other things were some pilot programs for micro transit so that almost sort of acts like a public uber system where it's sort of set up that you can access that public transportation when you need it sort of lumped together in a group rather than having to wait for a public bus route so we're really trying to think innovatively for how we invest in infrastructure that meets the needs of the diversity of Vermont but is also decreasing the reliance on single person vehicle usage and so I think we're in a really unique spot where we also have a lot of federal money to really think about how we spend that to invest in that infrastructure so that going forward things are better both economically for people and accessible for people as well as decreasing our emissions in the transportation sector I'll just yeah oh go ahead I just wanted to add in that I mean you often don't think about it with transportation but we've made huge investments in broadband and the ability for people to telecommute so you know that also plays into that because most of our emissions obviously are through our transportation system. I just want to add one point in that we're going to expand zero bus fare for another full year which is huge we kind of experimented with that making all of the public transit buses free of charge and so we're going to extend that a year with some of the federal monies and look toward that being hopefully a long-term you know solution for equity and all of those other issues time you mentioned. Thank you all okay so this one is more related to the economy so as we all know small businesses were devastated by the COVID-19 pandemic what did the legislature do to help businesses recover going forward? I can focus a little bit on this one my husband actually is a small business owner and working through the pandemic was really hard and quite frankly it's not over in fact we were just talking about this morning how really stressed he has been and quite frankly he lost sales but he did okay it's a local business and people were wonderful about stepping up and buying locally when they could and where they could and he's a delivery business so it all worked well for him but for others it was it was devastating and I think we all have to remember it's not over so through the various amounts of money that we received or buckets of money throughout the last year and a half that we received from the federal government we provided grants to businesses there was a second round where we provided grants to businesses who weren't really eligible because they couldn't show a loss of business they might have just started or were in the works I don't know if you've noticed there's quite a few businesses that have opened up just in the past year in Essex which is great so we tried to help those businesses we also did things you know that aren't sexy but are really important to the businesses and that we altered a bit the way their unemployment insurance rates are handled in order to ensure that if we had left it in place their rates would have skyrocketed this next year and so it's things like that that you know the inner workings of a small business that we when we walk into a business don't really think about that we've been able to help them with I will say it's not enough and we know their business is still hurting and I'm hoping what we can do more when we get back in January I wanted to add here that the other way that we helped small businesses is by putting money in the pockets of Vermonters who can then afford to spend money in those businesses and one of the things that I think that we did that was really important was in once the federal unemployment runs out we increased the benefits for people on on that system but it's also about investing in individual veronters so that they can buy locally we know from history that when we do that that money is spent in in our community so it's also thinking you know again these things are so interrelated it's it's about thinking about every aspect of this another piece that's kind of connected to these that can you hear me yeah is um one of the roles that I found that I've played this past session is helping to be a navigator of communicating these things because with all of this federal funds and new great opportunities it's just been a flood of information and resources and so a lot of the work has also been communicating with community members to say these are the opportunities that are available because it's one place to have it there but if folks don't know how to access it or how to use it or how it can benefit them then it's not going to happen so I feel like a key part of the legislature with bringing those stakeholders together making sure community members know how to access the resources and that they're working for them so um I know that uh Representative Houghton and I heard from a lot of community members about it and there are still gaps in the system so I'm moving forward to hearing from folks what what still needs to be done like what's been working where are the gaps and how can we move forward because it's not over yet. I just wanted to mention one thing um Representative Houghton mentioned the unemployment insurance um also not very sexy but in the health care committee we did we unmerged our um health exchange the market which um will allow premiums for small businesses they will actually decrease next year um I think the estimated uh shaken Representative Houghton can correct me if I'm wrong and I'm just going but I think it was something on the order of about 16 million dollars to small businesses that they'll save next year in health premiums for their employees. And I'll just add one final thing uh just that we also were very intentional about putting grant money aside for communities that have had difficulty accessing um you know loans and investment in their businesses so we put aside money that was specifically for BIPOC Vermonters um you know running businesses you know smaller businesses that you know maybe don't have any kind of formal bank loans we really wanted to get money to those folks as well as um women we made you know women have traditionally had a really difficult time accessing capital investment in their businesses so we um set up um funds that were specifically for those and they were all completely subscribed so um we're looking at that going down the road you know what do we need to do to make sure that there's equity in terms of how this money is being spread around. Thank you all. Okay our next question is surrounding youth uh slash voting rights and that question is you voted this past session to allow 16 and 17 year olds in the city of Brattleboro to vote in local elections is this some is that sorry is that something you would encourage or expand statewide or not? So I can speak to that as that came through my committee and it was a charter change so we voted to support the will of the voters in Brattleboro that wasn't something that we as the legislature said hey Brattleboro we're going to give you this thing that was something that the city of Brattleboro put on their ballot and the citizens of Brattleboro voted to change in their charter and after the process for Vermont is that anything voted um on a charter like that then goes to the government operations committee to be vetted to make sure that it meets its constitutional and it's you know it meets all the laws that it needs to meet and then you know we if changes need to be made made we make changes and there were a couple of spaces in in that charter actually where we did make a couple of tweaks to be in line with other state laws um around voting and then it went to the floor to be voted on really what that was was like I said supporting the will of the Brattleboro voters and certainly if other municipalities want to make that charter change I would absolutely continue to support cities and towns to exercise what they want to do for their local for their local elections so that was also a local election bill it was saying that these individuals get to vote in our local elections so it's very local and Vermont being a state that really believed in that kind of local control of course we would support it if other cities followed suit and if I recall um you can correct me but I believe that was a student-led petition to get on the ballot in Brattleboro so I encourage any Essex Westford students to think about something like that and I know I would fully be in support of it I I had a conversation with Representative Kornheiser whose district that um Brattleboro is and she told me I didn't know this but this effort was an effort over like a decade to try and get this so this was a long-term project and the students who began it are now you know launched in their careers and doing you know they're they're not even there anymore so um yeah I mean the research shows that engaging um voters at younger ages is a way to kind of get them to engage in their local democratic elections and um and their democracy so um you know that's that's what the data shows and if there's interest in that here I think you know we generally as Tanya said you know it's supporting the will of the voters and if the voters overwhelmingly want that well then we will shepherd that through the legislature and I will just echo I think um it's a great example kind of how this forum is of engaging youth and getting ideas and hearing from and so definitely would support this as other communities take it on I brought this up I have an 11-year-old and a 12-year-old and when this was coming up in the legislature I talked to like well yeah that makes sense and um and that was just hopeful to hear they would want to be engaged and they feel like it just makes sense and that if a community feels like feels like that's a bit that we can allow that to happen and I think that actually is a positive way to do it like let's see how that works and maybe more communities go on and then it could potentially become something more statewide um and so I appreciate the charter change process for that it allows us to in some ways pilot things at a small level work things out and then develop it hey if it's okay just want to add another way to look at it um it's a really good example of the youth of Brattleboro are coming together and working long and hard for something and we have that happening in here in Essex as well we've seen it with the equity conversation we've seen it with the gun conversation you know the day or two before we left the state house back in March 2020 we had a group of Essex youth coming down and advocating for gun safety measures and it was started by a freshman in Essex who decided they wanted a local chapter and she and a group of people got it going and so so the youth can be involved in so many ways and should be because the decisions that are being made today by all of us who are nowhere near being youth are really going to affect all of you more than it's going to affect us in the long run so you know I think it's a good example of anything you're interested in whether it be you know a local community organization you want to try and get on the board you know advocate to get the the board um uh directions changed and that youth are allowed or whatever the issue may be and I know I can speak for the five of us when we were always open to talking to anyone about any ideas they have absolutely the other opportunity for youth that I just want to put out there that also came through my committee is the youth council which will be a group of youth that actually are going to be an advisory council to the legislature about the issues that are important to youth and that was passed this year and will be starting to get up and running so if people really want to be involved more directly in the government process that would be an opportunity as well thank you all thank you so our next question is surrounding gun violence and also the ewsd school system so there are many mixed there are mixed feelings among students about the presence of school resource officers on the premise do you think school resource officers are necessary in the ewsd schools I can start with this one as I'm sitting here at the community justice center and we work with the school resource officers um for me I feel like there's more conversation that needs to be had on this to figure this out and I think it is important to bring people together I don't think there's necessarily a a right or wrong answer for community I think communities need to have a discussion and figure this out as somebody who works for the community justice center and works for the school resource officers I I see probably a different side than some other folks do I see school resource officers that want to work with um you know folks who are having challenges and what do you think we get referrals from them to work through conflict I definitely think there are opportunities to maybe improve those pathways and maybe have it be more focused at school um and I can also see how that would be hard to have an officer present in the school it's like how can we navigate that I also see a lot of kids that come through and are scared about you know the violence that is happening in schools and for some it can be reassuring to know there's an officer there and for parents too I feel like there's many sides to it and the piece that I think is really important is to have a conversation and figure out where the community is at um and listen to each other um and figure out what is it that that we need I'll just add um back when we had the situation a couple years ago in Fairhaven and then there was a push to look at school safety throughout the state I remember attending a meeting at Essex High School um about what school safety should look like you know things like you know should the doors be open or locked or and it was a very well run meeting it was um well attended by um the youth that were there it was interesting I had conversations with them there and some people after somebody's after that they felt like their voice wasn't being heard and in that situation there are the ones in the school um there are the ones that should be providing you know the input and being asked for input and I think I think the school district does a good job of that but I think it's important for parents to remember we might be worried about our kids but there are the ones in the building and they need to feel like they are in control of the situation and if that looks different then from what I and I do have sun so I mean if it looks different from what I as a parent would want that's something I think I as a parent have to grapple with grapple with um so it's just a different way to look at it to Karen's point we we really need to get the voices of the youth and but then I think at the same time we need to understand to Karen's point there are some some youth who need help and having the resources is important but what does that look like I think it will be no surprise given that I'm the sponsor on a bill that would actually stop education funding being used for school resource officers that I that I feel that that is not the best way to get resources to people I have deep concerns about the school to prison pipeline and we know that that kind of thing is happening even in Vermont and that that access with law enforcement in its current structure adds to that and so I while I and we also know from research that the presence of a school resource officer in the building doesn't decrease violence in the building and so I think that it is it is exactly to the point that Laurie and Karen have made it is yes we know that kids need resources and we need to have the conversation for what that looks like that ensures that every student in the building feel safe including the students who do not have positive interactions with with law enforcement or don't that isn't what their view is so I think we really have to be bringing everyone into that conversation and really re-envisioning what school safety looks like yeah I I think the points that you all made are are really great the youth voice you know we have we've heard from a lot of people who don't even have children in the school system about this issue and many others and it's always good to for people to weigh in but we really need to facilitate some conversations at the youth level as far as what they want and I'm I am concerned about the research and data that Representative Vihovsky references that shows that children of color students of color are disproportionately interacting with resource officers and so you know how do we how does this shake out I I do think Karen's point about having some deep community conversations about this and really getting to kind of people's sense of things looking at the data too I think a lot of people aren't aware of this data too and what goes on so I think there's an educational component for the community as well if I can add one more quick thing on it just because it was legislation that was passed this year that I feel like is related around exclusionary discipline in schools and somebody else might have the exact details better but as somebody who at the community justice center we work on situations that happen in the schools we see that suspensions and being expelled can happen for instance at school and again speaking community justice that's not restorative it's not helping folks get to what they need in getting folks in school and so we passed legislation that really limits that and has schools look at it in a different way I'm not remembering the specifics right off the top of my head if somebody has more of it but I feel like that's important that did take into consideration what is actually the most meaningful for youth and for families moving forward having them expelled or suspended from school doesn't solve a lot of the situations that we're trying to address thank you okay our next question goes back to climate and that question is the legislature passed an important bill this session s 20 which bends PFAS a forever flooring chemical found in water in the environment can you tell us more about this legislation and why it is so important so I can speak to that one because that came through the human services committee that consideration and we spent a long time on this bill as did the senate really looking at PFAS related to several consumer products so we we banned PFAS PFAS are these forever chemicals as you said that are flooring based and don't degrade and they do something that's called bioaccumulate in the body so they don't you know if you drink water that has trace amounts of PFAS the levels of it keep building on each other and increasing and PFAS are cancer causing chemicals and we use them in a lot of a lot of you know furniture that is scotch guarded and firefighting you know the outfits that firefighters wear to fight fires is just layered in PFAS so we essentially banned it in terms of firefighting foam firefighting equipment ski wax has PFAS in it a lot of people who do Nordic ski racing we banned it in that and also in any consumer packaging that has contact with food amazingly up until a few years ago the little waxed wrappers that go around your hamburger at McDonald's or Taco Bell they all they had trace amounts of PFAS in them and so all of that will be banned going forward which which is a good thing I mean a lot of these chemicals have been developed we don't really understand their impacts and now we are beginning to and we have a lot further to go on this we I'll just say that industry was very loud and robust in pushing back on some of what we did and you know industry has to focus as well but public and human health is is paramount so so one of the things that we weren't able to ban which we wanted to was the firefighting foam used at the airport which you know comes under the Department of Defense because of the Air National Guard is there they kind of oversee that so we were not able to ban that but we put a lot of pressure on them and they're looking at substitutions to be able to use all of Europe Heathrow Airport in London they're all using these flooring free foams so we are going to continue to push for that you know our pristine state is we have to protect it we have to protect it for future generations so I'll stop there others might want to add I'll share I think you covered it Mary Beth I will say I did not know a lot about PFAS before this session and this is what I think is a important part about being a legislator is legislator is you don't you can't know everything you can't know all of this you have to understand what your values are what the values are of your community the state and hear what these committees are doing on these topics and you know support what aligns and this was a clear one once I did learn what PFAS are and how it was like okay this makes sense this is what our community needs it was it was easy to support so thank you Mary Beth for the work your committee did and I'll add one thing to your point Karen you know we come from different parts of the state legislators and we have different communities and experiences and one of the key people on our committee was a legislator from Bennington who has lived through all of the stories in the news you've you've heard about the PFAS contamination of their drinking water down there so due to a plant that many years ago was producing Teflon pans you know that coating of Teflon on a pan well it ends up it's ripe with PFAS and those are harmful to human health the the whatever that process gives off it has gone into the environment and polluted it so he was an incredible wellspring of information and quickly brought our committee up to speed and it was a really really important issue for his district and they're finding PFAS now up in Coventry where the they'll are one landfill in the state of Vermont is so this is becoming a statewide issue but really it started in Bennington as you know kind of putting it on the map for us I wanted to expand a little bit on something that Representative Dolan had said not but this bill to me was the sort of a wake-up call in a way of how the legislature works as a new member you know you really do it is it is not possible to know everything and it's not possible to follow everything and the real work is done within committees and Representative Redmond's committee spent you know weeks months taking testimony on this and crafting this and you know when it came to the floor just like Rep Dolan said it was a no-brainer and the other thing that I learned there is far more consensus in the legislature than I think people imagine this was a unanimous vote so this was every political persuasion every region of the state this was a unanimous vote on the house floor so this that was a big bill that I thought oh wow that's not what I thought happened thank you okay so our next question has to do with health care and LGBTQ plus issues so recent data shows that LGBTQ plus and BIPOC Vermonters have less access to health care and less equity when it comes to their treatment what are you doing to address that issue I can I can talk about this a little bit so in our health care committee this well we did two things um directly regarding health care and health inequity we had a resolution declaring a public health emergency and as well we put through H 210 which was a bill on health equity and what this bill does is in this first year it establishes a large task force to advise on setting up an office of health equity within our department of health I mean it's clear with with the data that we've seen health inequities of black indigenous people of color disabilities LGBTQ plus all all these you know different levels of health and particularly COVID-19 the disparities between who it affected and who it did not necessarily affect as heavily um so a commission was set up which will advise the legislature and will advise the department of health for standing up in the office of health equity that you know really can start looking at these issues having a you know a directed department who will be advising across the state to make sure that we're addressing these things the only thing I'll add uh to that um very important bill is we were able as as um Mary Beth I think it was had said you know we targeted grants for businesses for women we also worked in one of the COVID relief packages to target specific money to um to LGBTQ and and peer support organizations specifically around mental health to say during the pandemic we want money to go specifically to those groups to ensure they're getting the wellness care they need so you know again it's um when you work through the process um you can do things bits and pieces there but this year with the amount of money we had coming from the federal government we were able to really do some targeted um outreach to different organizations thank you both okay um so lately as many of you may know our school board has been dealing with the critical race theory and that being taught in our school system um so so our school our school district has been at the center of a lot of debate around critical race theory and the way history and other subjects need to be taught going forward what are your concerns about the situation how do we evaluate um student voice in this debate it's mainly co-opted by some parents and people from out of state what are strategies strategies for centering student voices I'm happy to speak to this a little bit um I think that student voices are incredibly important and I think that making sure that we hear the stories and histories of all people truthfully is incredibly important however we label that um and I think that the manner in which we need to to move forward is in really connecting to the community and making sure that the community is connected to those student voices and finding ways to lift up the experiences of our students and and make connections I think there's a lot of fear you know I know that um change can be hard and the way that I that in my in my work as a social worker that we work through changes by making connections and building relationships and helping people who maybe come from very different backgrounds understand one another and I think that I think it's a multifaceted engagement of our community in these conversations and these dialogues to understand why this is critically important and it is it is utilizing the privileges that we have to carve out space for the voices that we're not hearing to really lift up and and create room for those voices and I'm really hopeful that that through a combination of education for our community as well as these the making space for these deeper conversations that we can move forward in a way where everyone's voice story and history can be honored and recognized I would echo those thoughts I think it's community conversations although um you know the past couple months with these the equity conversations that have been out there have been challenging and hard um personally I feel like that that's a step in the right direction you have to break through that and have those difficult conversations and it is kind of like oh that's what's needed to continue it because you can't move forward through something until you have those challenging conversations it really opens up okay this is the situation that we're in and um it kind of makes things ready to to dive a little bit deeper and um sometimes I'm really happy to be involved in is with the voices for inclusion in Essex and Westford which is a group of volunteers that does involve student voice folks in the community and come together right now we're kind of volunteer run trying to figure things out we're looking to move into being a nonprofit soon um and the whole goal is around education and awareness on topics of equity and inclusion and I feel like that's the piece as um Tanya was sharing like having conversations understanding that everybody is at a different point in that journey and understanding of what the equity needs are and how we can be an inclusive community and having some events that reach those folks that are at one point and some events that are reaching folks at another point and hopefully that we can all come up to speed and really embrace it together so that's what I'm hoping for it's going to be work though it's not going to be easy go ahead Alyssa I just wanted to add um because and I'm speaking as a Essex resident now and as a mother who had three children go through that the school district um I was I know it's been a very difficult couple months but I'm just so heartened by Essex Westford and the response and you know the community standing up to this you know student led um push and supporting students and I don't think in my 25 years of living here that I've ever seen the community so engaged on what is happening in the school district and like I said I know it's been a difficult past few months but it's it's really shown me um just you know how this community will will stand up and do the right thing I'll just add quickly that um you know for someone my age there is so much history true history that I just never received we never received in school and so you know for a lot of us we're we're playing catch up like really trying to learn and understand the true history of this country and things that have gone on and that have really oppressed other people um and so I would really challenge youth to you know challenge the adults in your life you know to really get up to speed to learn the history to read this book you know we you know we I know that it can be sometimes difficult to push adults on things but I think more than ever before we're listening we're open we're we're trying to you know move ourselves and really understand the the true history of this country and some of your teachers have been really incredible in exposing you to important texts and things and so push your parents push push the adults in your life you know tell them to learn and get up to speed and challenge them on some of the ways they talk about things you know help them um you know they're I think now more than ever they're we have never been more open we're open um you know and and protect yourselves you know protect yourselves from adults that don't feel safe or that are you know find adults who where you can be yourself and and really push them and challenge them so anyway that's just a little little addition I just want to commend the youth in our community that are already doing this the student you know the social justice union and the youth working with voices for equity and inclusion and the youth who have challenged our school board to to raise the Black Lives Matter flag like the youth are really standing up in so many spaces on this issue and so many more on climate on gun control and so I just want to commend the youth for who are doing this and for those of you who aren't sure how connect with those youth they will they will guide you connect with any one of us I'm sure in this instance I can speak for all of us and we will lift your voice off and support you I agree I already spoke oh go ahead Laurie no go ahead I just wanted to share an example of it that came up but I know we're taking more time on this but I do feel like it's a really important topic that's really relevant but the Juneteenth event that happened was it just a couple of weeks ago or last weekend um I think was a great example of how um one growing up that wasn't even on my radar screen at all that was um something that's part of our history and to celebrate and um Essex had its first annual celebration um this past year and I think many of us were involved in it in different ways or supported it and if you were there you saw youth were um kind of leading the way for that whole two hour event um it was amazing to hear youth embrace three quotes uh we had it was an Essex faithful student who was hosting the event um like it is there and I think as others have said that we need to take that momentum and continue with it thanks Karen and I agree with everyone said I'm gonna take a little bit different um make a little bit of a comment on it this conversation would be difficult no matter what but this is also a really good lesson that politics are at play so this isn't just about an equity conversation in our school district it is the fact that there is a national movement to um with an agenda and it has hit our little community um and quite frankly I think we're really lucky it's taken this long to get to Vermont you know other areas of the country deal with this a lot um so we need to learn the history I agree absolutely with what everyone has said I think we also need to learn the politics of it and make sure that we realize who's talking in our community who lives within our community and who supports our community and to Alyssa's point we had a groundswell of support in this community and I think youth hopefully see that and I hope they can separate out what might be the national voice that's coming to us now um you know we I think as legislators and as community members and as youth have to think about how we're going to deal with that as we move forward on this conversation and others because I don't see that stopping unfortunately thank you okay so another issue that many are engaged with in the community is the merger separation debate this debate has gone on for a very long time many residents are tired of dealing with this how can we put this division behind us and build a stronger and healthier community I'll start because I think I've I've just because of what I've done in the community I've been involved in this conversation longer I actually ran as a trustee 10 12 years ago as a village trustee on collaboration with the town and and worked really hard to get to where we were collaborating with the town so I am saddened to see the way we're moving but to answer your specific question I've always thought and and have seen with my eyes that it is the youth that is going to keep bringing us together so our school system the various clubs the sports the arts um you know my son is an ADL but he has friends in the town and vice versa and then in a couple of years everyone mixes up anyway in the high school um you know there's a lot of loud loud voices from a small number of people who are causing a lot of the division and I think this is is a little bit like what I was saying about the equity conversation there's a lot of loud national voices um affecting that conversation in our community so you know I think if we just keep doing the community events like Juneteenth and we do the things that we've always done and we go to the fireworks and we support our kids and the activities they're involved in um we're not that different um but we need to respect what's happening and what our each separate community values so where they want to move but at the same time we can still we can still be friends I think it comes down to healing and relationships as as Representative Hopen is pointing to it really comes down to making the spaces and and really coming to those spaces with openness to understand where someone else is coming from and openly in both directions and and really rebuild and heal from there I mean I will say I'm an Essex high school graduate and this conversation has been going on was going on when I was in high school and has been going on longer than I've been alive and so I don't know all of the ins and the outs of it as as intimately and closely as Representative Houghton does having worked on it but what I do know from from my work in mental health and as a social worker is that the way that we heal divisiveness is by connecting and seeing where we what we share and how we are in most instances more similar than we are not and then we can celebrate the spaces where we are different so I think that that's really what it comes down to is us all of us creating the spaces where we can all come together and and recognize each other's humanity and what we each bring to our communities I think I'll add I mean that that's yeah what you both have said is beautiful it's it is about relationships and connecting and conversation and understanding each other and I think it's really really important that you know we have those opportunities to have you know to have those kind of conversations I think that some of the debate and social media you know back and forth has been really divisive and really mean downright mean and and I think we as a delegation have made a commitment to really model like good civic behavior and collaborating and getting along like that's a really important value that all of us share and you know you're not going to see us devolving into screaming matches you know with each other and and some of that has happened and I I frankly have found that a little embarrassing especially for our youth and you know we're telling our kiddos not to put you know inappropriate things on social media and and this is what the some of the adults are doing so I really think like getting back to a place where we can have civil conversations and respectful spaces and really hear and understand and and sometimes agree that we're not going to we're not going to agree agree to disagree so to speak thank you you okay so I know we are running out of time but this is a question for all representatives to answer and that question is what legislation is top of the list for introduction or working on for you in the next 2021 session I'll start um so I don't have any particular pieces of legislation to introduce um in our healthcare committee we have quite a few studies coming back to us um that are going to be really important for us to focus on and you know kind of happens in the legislature is you know we don't have a lot of time and we can't get to all the answers so we create studies and then sometimes when the next year comes we don't even do anything with those studies and my priority this coming January is that we focus on the things that we put in place and a lot of it has to do with mental health and affordable and accessible healthcare which are top priorities for me so that's where I'm focused I'll I'll follow up since some same committee so I'm really interested in working on affordable and accessible healthcare I feel like this year we we did a lot of we had to spend an awful lot of time on um COVID related health issues so you know we weren't able to really do any deep dives into I mean we did a few things but to Representative Houghton's point we ordered an awful lot of studies so it'll be interesting to see those and I personally um I'm really interested I'm not sure I'm going to introduce anything but I'm interested in advancing some pieces of gun safety legislation there were there were two bills that moved one moved in the Senate and one in the House but neither you know there's still to be dealt with next year but they weren't advanced and I'm hoping to um put my efforts in in a topic that is very very important to me I can go next um so let's see as far as legislation um I I don't know for example Houghton and I could be introducing the first bill that I would be a part of and that would have to do with as extension independence depending on what the vote is this November so that could lead to a bill introduction um again where as extension it's but it's going to be up to where the voters decide we want to go so that could be a piece of legislation um as far as other initiatives I again I don't have a plan of certain pieces I want to introduce but there's a lot of time between now and the end of next year um one thing that I found interesting is about being in the process of the legislature is where you also start to see where some of the systems gaps are in opportunities so this past session um we in my committee took on a bill that was around criminal justice reform but really opened up that there were some potential gaps in how services are received for victims and so it made me curious to see okay how can we prevent situations like this and gaps going forward because I really do believe in criminal justice reform and at the same time it's important that victim voices are heard and um really buy into the steps that we're taking so not that I have legislation planned to it but I am looking to be more curious and understand that system better so that we can support criminal justice reform going forward um other than that I feel like we have a lot on our plate to follow up from last session COVID recovery still and looking forward to uh you know boosting boosting our state going forward so I'll jump on your response Karen because the the issue that's really front and center for me is criminal justice reform I feel like your committee did really good work and I feel like there's so much more work to do in terms of really transforming the system and so there have been conversations about looking at um like particularly with people re-entering communities um those issues are more in the human services and housing areas and so affect those committees and so I've been talking to the speaker and others about like how do we get these committees kind of working together on this issue so that it's not just in the corrections bucket but like it affects services that wrap around people and it affects housing and affordable housing where people can find safe um you know places to go and and re-enter communities so I really I really want to start to figure out how we get committees kind of working side by side on this issue because I feel like we used to lead the way in this area and we we've kind of fallen behind there are a lot of states like Maine and Washington that are doing amazing work and are really forward thinking so I'm that's kind of what I'm championing um there's so much that we know we need to do and there's and I'm pulled in so many directions but when I think about the building on the work from last year and going into next year you know one of the things I really want to fight for is is moving forward with a fair and sustainable pension system once we hear back from the the task force that is supposed to advise on that um I also am going to be putting some effort into looking at our education funding system and how to make that more fair and equitable um and you know what that looks like and how we do that the tax commission put out a report last year saying that the property tax funding mechanism really isn't the best way to do that and so that is something that that I actually have a bill that I introduced last year with another um with I think actually 22 other legislators um that I want to do some organizing around that and really see if we can move that forward um and then I really the other big thing for me that I really want to be focused on is our larger public safety system and and redefining what that really means and looking at the pieces within that structure that we need to change so that all Vermonters feel safe in their communities and feel like they can access the services and supports that they need and so some of a specific piece that I'm looking at is sort of how we do police oversight um and I also want to just be clear here that when I speak about public safety we often equate that to police but I think it's much bigger than that I think that when we talk about public safety it's actually about all the things we've talked about it's about safe schools and it's about affordable housing and so really looking at how we redefine what that means and make sure that every Vermont voice is heard and able to to feel safe within those systems so we have reached our one hour mark so I want to thank all the representatives for participating today anyone watching especially all the youth who signed up to watch thank you for listening in and submitting questions um but other than that you know thank you for everyone attending today and I'm glad we're able to put this on um I think we can end recording and you are all free to go thank you so much