And I waste my time I don't know I love documentaries and so if a documentary is going to come on I'll watch it sure yeah Why watch the documentary you know about Syria or or I think I don't mean what I find so fast Even though I'm not really interested watching the documentary. I find the story Fascinating from the aspect of these are all things that could have been avoided like they were like they they were just you know examples of One you know one poorly fed up. It's not a good faith thing where it's like, oh, I could I could have fallen the same way now I'm not gonna learn now. I'm gonna learn anything with a It's not gonna make a better world. It's fascinating.  I mean you guys mentioned that earlier, so Nicole I'm sorry. We're boring you know, it's okay Dr. Maro that started What's that called I'm trying to We're I was watching a little bits of it yesterday, but it's a very fascinating story It was on Netflix. I don't know if it still is okay. I'll look it up But it's fascinating just because it's so dysfunctional, but they still made a movie, you know, I did I like crime documentaries too Alright, you guys ready? Yes, sir. Nicole. Yep. Yes Here we go Cyril Petrie has supported independent tech news directly for more than five years be like Cyril become a dts member at patreon.com dtns This is the daily tech news for Friday, January 18th 2019 in Los Angeles down Tom Merritt and Hunkering down in Cleveland from a snowstorm. I'm Len Peralta. And I'm a surprisingly sunny day on the show's producer Roger joining us today Will not be Sarah Lane because she's on vacation, but we're very happy to have Nicole Lee senior editor and a gadget with us Thanks for coming back Nicole. Thanks for having me. Have you recovered from your CES? Experience I have recovered from my CES experience. I Thankfully have not underwent undergone the CES flu of any or anything like that. Yeah, no, I escaped that You know knock on wood. I guess it's late enough Yeah, so far so good. We're gonna talk food tech with Nicole a little later in the show Somebody during CES was pointing out that you and I are both lovers of the instant pot Got us thinking about talking about this so we will talk about the instant pot and a few other things Let's start with a few tech But you know what actually I don't have Sarah to read these with me today, so Nicole Will you play quick hits a word association with me? Sure? Okay, so I will read the news item and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind after hearing the news item Okay Start with a few tech things you should know There's a big one the Washington Post reports the US Federal Trade Commission is Discussing imposing a fine on Facebook for violating its agreement to protect the privacy of user data Now this is three different sources telling the post this the FTC has not made this public However, what is public is the FTC has been investigating since last year Data given to Cambridge Analytica by Cambridge University data scientist Alexander Cogan in violation of Facebook's terms and whether Facebook should be held responsible for that the findings and any possible fine that could come along with those findings have not been finalized according to the post sources and They're currently not making any progress because there's a lack of funding from the US government, which is shut down right now Nicole It's about time I mean Very good Microsoft announced it will end support for Windows 10 mobile devices December 10th and officially recommends customers move to Android or iOS so let's pour a little out For Windows phone Device backups for settings and some of your apps will continue to work even after the end of support That will work until March 10th 2020 and some services like photo uploads and restore from an existing device backup Microsoft says may continue to work for up to a year after the end of support But by December 10th, you should probably get another phone if you're on Windows phone bring back the zoom phone Maybe Google's frightening page of news results. We talked about on yesterday's show worked 11 countries opposed Passing along the EU's copyright directive which had been approved by the European Parliament in September and was voted on by the European Council today So it does not go on its way to become law Several countries objected to articles 11 and 13 which let publishers require paid licenses to list snippets and search results That's what Google was protesting yesterday and puts more liability on companies for user uploaded content Member states will now have until February to reach a compromise approval of an updated version of the text. Oh Viva la France sure it's Europe. Why not? Although I don't think France was one of the ones that voted against you kind of our pro copyright directive Viva France TechCrunch reports that multiple sources tell it Facebook has been building a product called LOL that features a feed of funny videos and gift-like clips targeted at teens Content is divided into categories like animals fails and pranks Facebook confirmed to TechCrunch that LOL is currently in private beta with around a hundred high school students Facebook is deciding whether to include it in Facebook itself or launch it as a standalone product OMG Perfect, yeah Tesla announced it will cut its workforce by 7% That'd be about 3,000 people by all counts in a letter to staff CEO Elon Musk said their cars are too expensive for the average driver and Profits at the company are too low Musk wrote that starting around May We will need to deliver at least mid-range model 3 variants in all markets as we need to reach more customers Who can afford our vehicles as well as making progress towards lower priced models? Musk still set goals to increase model 3 production rates and make manufacturing and engineering improvements They'll just have to do it with fewer people Just too expensive to need to lower the price. Yeah, we've been saying that for a while, right? Come on You gotta figure out how to make them cheaper. I guess. All right. Let's talk a little more about Netflix Netflix put out its earnings report yesterday afternoon and beat estimates for earnings per share But fell below Expectations for revenue the company also forecast lower than expected numbers for the coming quarter Q1 2019 Netflix beat expectations on subscribers though adding 1.53 million in the US and 7.3 million outside the US both of those numbers beat expectations Netflix added 29 million subscribers on the year. That's 33 percent more than they added in 2017 Netflix estimates it accounts for about 10 percent of US TV screen time. It's kind of fuzzy math But they're guesstimating and said in their shareholder letter. We compete with and lose to Fortnite more than HBO. Whoa Drop the mic Netflix it noted when the YouTube went down briefly in October that Netflix viewing and signups spiked I'm trying to make the point that we're not a competitor for other video services were a competitor for entertainment Netflix also released some rare numbers Reporting 80 million people watched bird box in its first four weeks 20 million watched Another show out of out of Spain 10 million watched bodyguard the protector and baby that shot of Spain is called elite Netflix also predicted that 40 million people will watch the series you and sex education During those series first four weeks of Netflix coming with some numbers, which they don't usually do So the whole thing about Netflix Not putting themselves against like HBO and all that that's not new like they've always said from like years and years ago Their competitor is free time Right and the Come is saying we need to become HBO before HBO comes us. Yeah, that was 10 years ago. That was a long time Yeah, so but I mean it's really interesting especially in the light of their recent quote-unquote price hike And I'm sure you guys I mentioned already, you know, I'm raising up by a dollar or two dollars depending on your particular price here And you know, even though it's lower than expected. It's still pretty good. Yeah And they missed on revenue not earnings per share So they're profitable if they raise their price and they can keep those subscriber numbers up can Presumably they'd have higher revenue as well and we're not hearing them say for the first time in a couple years We're going to increase significantly the amount we spend on content. It seems like they finally hit their plateau there So that that's what's been dragging them down the past couple years I mean one whole is because those standout specials are expensive a lot of those TV shows are really expensive But you know, I mean, hopefully they'll get enough subscribers to help them stay upload Yeah, it'll it'll start to pay off now is what they're hoping New York Times Tech columnist Kevin Rus noted on Twitter that three five-star reviews of the Facebook portal on Amazon Just happened to have the same names as Facebook employees Now all three reviews were listed as verified by Amazon That means Amazon said this account bought the Facebook portal from us So it wasn't Facebook employees that got it for free. However, Amazon does ban you from reviewing your own employer's products Facebook VP of AR and VR Bos Bosworth replied to Rus on Twitter saying neither Coordinated nor directed from the company from an internal post at launch We unequivocally do not want Facebook employees to engage in leaving reviews for the products that we sell to Amazon We will ask them to take down I Mean that's good, but also you have to imagine that was some kind of internal Like maybe not officially sanctioned, but you have to imagine there has to be some kind of internal like agreements perhaps Really, I mean three employees out of a company that has a thousand employees and these these employees did pay for these portals Yeah, I think it's rogue employees. These employees thought they could get away with it No, that's that's what I meant. That's what I meant. It's like they decided among themselves. Oh, you think the three were a cabal Interesting to find out if they actually work together closely. I'd like to know that I think it was just three people Three out of a thousand people. That's like less than one percent just happen to have the same idea That seems likely to me And they probably all thought they wouldn't get caught so If you read the reviews though, they do not make it clear at all that they are Facebook employees, right? Because they know so I also think like if you were really going out to like trick people you would use a different name Yeah, that's a good point. They did they weren't very smart about it if they were trying to trick me Alphabet's health-oriented company Verily has received FDA approval for an electrocardiogram E-ink watch to be used in medical studies of conditions like multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's as well as Individual care of those diseases the device called the study watch Requires a prescription now TechCrunch's Brian Heater along with many other people have sort of made the connection of like hey Could this come to where OS because alphabet owns Verily and alphabet owns Google and that is interesting given that Apple put the EKG in the watch And so I'm actually looking at this is sort of a canary in the coal mine for how alphabets companies Co-operate now that they've been separate divisions separate companies for long enough if this doesn't go to wear OS I think that's very telling And I think it'll be interesting to see like if this kind of technology would be kind of an agnostic Perhaps you would think a platform agnostic technology that would be right OS but in anything like an Apple watch or any other Fitbit type of device that would be Not just wear OS, but I mean where was you would hope would get some share of it as well Yeah, I would like to see Verily decide that hey We're a separate company owned by alphabet while we certainly know those guys across campus at Google and we probably should You know stand in the lunch line with them We want to also sell our tech to other companies because that's what will make us a standalone independent company So I would like to see this come to a Fitbit or Garmin or something like that Would be better it would give them more credence actually. Yeah, it really would and and like I said I think this is this is something where we all assume a lot that now they're calling alphabet But really it's all just Google right and and this is one of those those things you can look at to say Well, is it really a conglomerate now? Is it really separate country companies or not? I thought Nest would be a good indicator of that and unfortunately they just took nest and folded it right back into Google So it kind of indicated the opposite Privacy advocate Max Shrems has led a group called Noib in filing a series of complaints with the Austrian data protection authority under GDPR Against eight companies who stream video Noib says it requested customer data under the GDPR from YouTube Netflix spotify Apple Amazon SoundCloud Dason and Flimit and all of them fell short of GDPR requirements None of the companies provided sufficient background information to help customers understand the data that was The data was missing. So so GDPR requires you not only to hand over the data But help people understand it a couple of the companies gave you some guidelines But Shrems is saying it wasn't enough to help me understand it only Flimit and Netflix provided what Shrems calls intelligible data rather than just a dump of raw data and Partial background information in both of those cases. They were the two that at least tried Dason and SoundCloud didn't even respond. They didn't even give you the data What Shrems is picking on mostly with Apple and YouTube and Amazon is you generally say I would like my data and you just get a download and then it doesn't give you any context for it Yeah, I mean GDPR is is fairly far-reaching in that not only do you need to know what's happening with your data You need to know what what kind of data is being shared in the first place like it's a it's a fairly Fairly wide-reaching thing and part of the deal is that when people when company when you ask them what's happening with your data You they are obliged to answer you So yeah, well the idea is that you'll be able to understand what they're collecting on you, right? So yeah it's It's meant to help you understand and if it's not helping you understand then I think these companies I don't think these companies should be fined up to 4% of their annual turnover, which is the max fine GDPR, but I think they should be given a warning and said you need you need to remedy this You know you need to create something that helps people understand what you're giving them structure your data a little bit More so they can see what it is. I think this is all good Yeah, I agree definitely CEO Sachin Adele told the media that Microsoft now sees Cortana as a skill for Microsoft 365 subscribers and that it should be used as a skill on Google and Amazon assistance and then any others in The same way that Microsoft apps are available for iOS and Android. I like this. I like this the way Nadella is sort of positioning Amazon and Google voice assistance as platforms as operating systems if you will Nadella compared voice assistance to web browsers actually in their need to be interoperable and access similar information and Cortana is Just a website in that metaphor that helps you do cool things Cortana already integrates with Amazon. It does not yet integrate with Google though I would like to see it do that as well I I think this could get us down the road to at least having a more clear choice of well If I live in this ecosystem, I'm not limited in what I can do. It's like picking Android or iOS, you know, there are certain things you lack But 90% of stuff can be done on either platform. I think right now I think one of the issues is that some of these technologies are still fairly new I don't think I don't think many people are as familiar with Cortana as they are with You know Alexa or you know Google and I think this could be a way for Microsoft as well to say hey this could be a way to like let Cortana have more playtime be sort of be on the same level playing field as the other two and I know I think I think it's kind of a tough sell really because I don't think as many people really know what Cortana is or what What it does or what it's how it's different from any other from from in Amazon's or Google's assistant Yeah, I another comment not Nadella made in the same media meeting was sort of vaguely Indicating they might bring Microsoft 365 to consumers right now Microsoft 365 is great for enterprise because it includes your Windows 10 support contract But most consumers don't pay for Windows anymore, right? So Microsoft 365 for consumers would have to give you more probably bundle in Skype with Office 365 and maybe Voice assistance in all of that stuff. I think Microsoft wants to see Cortana just become the voice assistant that's in all their software and so the echo or the Google home may be how you how you you tell it Something but it's the native intelligence inside of office or Skype or whatever outlook That that will then understand and talk back to you would be Cortana. Yeah, sounds good Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm All right Instant pot first of all just real briefly. We've got to get out of at the instant pot because I got one Over the holidays. I lean bought one during black Friday How long have you had yours? Of Middle last year. I want to okay, so you're way more experienced So as I mentioned our mutual love of Instapot got us talking about food tech during CES But we're both so busy looking at all the food tech at CES That we wanted to wait until now to kind of talk about where this space is going Yeah, so you mentioned instant pot of course one of the innovations or I guess I don't know new tech new features After instant buys that there's gonna be one with Google Assistant, right and so that's right I'm bringing it to the couple of the models. Yeah a couple of the models and you know We can argue we can sit here and wonder whether or not Google Assistant is even necessary It's one of these things but I think it's you know, if it's if it's free if it's a free update like Sounds good to me to have to have it added to everything else. Well, I don't I mean, I guess if you could say like hey To you know restart the timer or something like that. I don't I don't feel like I'm using it I don't feel the need that that I have to talk to it because I kind of want to be over there looking at it And then I'm already there with the book. Yeah, yeah So I'm not completely understand which is why like it's it may it may be like a nice little add-on, right? So that's the instant pot and of course we can probably talk about like, you know, the various things it does to improve our lives Yeah, what if you could sum it up? What's the biggest advantage to the instant pot because I think a lot of people Probably know, okay I'm supposed to be able to make a meal but all in one pot And I know it's a pressure cooker and a crock pot and a steamer and a couple other things all put into one and there's an app But you know, what what about it? What's so cool about that, right? So I think the big the big the big initial selling point of the instant pot is that it's like seven in one gadgets You can make your rice and you're it's a slow cooker and it can do all kinds of different things You can make yogurt in the instant pop if you talked about a little bit and But the main the main I would say the main primary attraction of the instant pot is the pressure cooker function Is that the fact that you can cook? You know a brisket in like an hour versus that's the instant part of instant pot Instant pot and that really is is core selling point is that you can just like, you know Put it in there turn it on walk away and then have it ready when you come back And that's kind of the magic of having the electric pressure cooker Except except while it can do rice can't do anything else when it's doing rice or it could do spaghetti But it can't do anything else. So when I made the spaghetti sauce, I had to make the spaghetti in a different pot Right, we always use the rice cooker for rice. We don't use the instant pot. That's just too much It's just too much There are there are there are things on the internet, of course that you can you can look into where you can buy a little Compartments and you can cook separate things that want all at one time There are tricks that people have have used to cook multiple things at the same time so that's a cool thing about instant pot and But that's obviously not the only thing at CES is it's primarily still a tech show There are other smart devices There's the June 2.0 and it's the it's a newer version of the June smart oven And I don't sure if I'll just give a brief brief summation of what the June oven is It's kind of like a smart oven That has a little camera on the ceiling of it that can recognize different foods you put in so if you put in like a Pizza, you'll know exactly. Oh, you cook a few cooking a pizza and you immediately suggest that a different cooking pizza Times and you just type it exactly For that slice of pizza that you just put in yeah at CES. They were showing it with asparagus a lot Yeah, they would you have asparagus they'd stick it in and I would say that's either asparagus or broccoli And then it was a touchscreen that you could just tap the asparagus picture and it would know okay It's definitely asparagus. That's how we're gonna cook it right so that's kind of the the the thing with the June oven it used to be really expensive used to be like $1,500 is something insane, but now the newer version quote-unquote a newer version is only it's only six hundred dollars It's still expensive, but it's not as expensive as it used to be And it's very competitive with the tovala, which I own and love Right, but the tovala doesn't do the recognition thing in the current version, right? That tovala you have to either buy one of their meals, which are great And and scan it or use the app to say oh, this is what I'm cooking the June ovens You know in this race for the smart oven is like we can actually recognize and there were I actually saw others I think Grundig had one that would recognize food as well That seems to be one of the new features going into a lot of these smart ovens. Yeah, absolutely. They all have this little No camera to recognize the food thing and it seems to be smart I was used to be the new thing that you mentioned tovala This is the June and then recently there's also the brava oven which cooks with light It's kind of like the adult easy-bake oven More than just a light bulb though, it's a little more sophisticated There are technically four different light base you could call it in the like sort of LED in the oven and It essentially will increase the depending on what food you put in the intensity of Depending on what foods you you put into the the oven there and this one is like really expensive It's almost $1,000 and I think that's because I think that's really because of the technology is so new it's such an interest cooking with light is not really a tested kind of thing and On your electricity bill because it doesn't have to heat up heating elements and maybe it cooks a little faster because of that But I'm not sure what the big advantage here is that a thousand bucks So the from what I kind of figure from based on my review of it is that you can cook multiple things at the same time So you can cook like salmon and that's your asparagus at the same time And because you can have the light at different intensities at different parts of the oven So if the if the salmon is at the no, it's at the front of the oven the light can be really strong Let's say okay In the back with it the light can be sort of subdued perhaps to sort of mood lighting for your asparagus Asparagus So the I mean the idea is that the light will the light more control We have more control over the intensity in that way you can cook like a whole meal at the same time Okay, all right or like the fraction of the time used to used to make or something like that. I still think it's really expensive, but yeah Show an office mart oven that that's very similar in that it identifies your food it tries to cook perfectly I guess that one of the big advantages of Whirlpool is that they own Yemli so yes some recipe integration Was there anything else that you liked about this one? so the interest so I like there's this whole like it's called it has a quote-unquote augmented reality function which I Kind of scoff at but it does I understood what they're going for essentially on the front of the oven is a transparent display That overlays the recipe and also overlays instructions on where to put the asparagus or the salmon in the oven I can actually draw like outline the part of the oven that you should put the food in kind of thing Depending on the heat levels of the oven all that kind of thing So it's still very early days, but you mentioned in the Whirlpool. It's a big name in the kitchen appliances and I also could let you see the food and zoom in on it without opening the door Which I'd say yes, I felt like I said this a couple of times I think that's a legitimate feature that that may not be the only thing that makes you want to buy an oven But I like that feature a lot Yeah, absolutely. It's still early days for this because it's still concept level right up to oven You could say but according to Whirlpool, they will bring it out for the end of this year or maybe early next year All right. So yeah, we have a lot of smart ovens They can cook with light and they can recognize your asparagus, but are they really serious cooking? You tensils are they going to improve your food or are they just kind of you know Hype collectors are they they just sort of trying to wow you I think there's two different ways you can look at it Or maybe more than just this month This is my initial two ways of looking at it One is that is it good for novice cooks? Like if you don't even know how to cook at all Like are these gadgets supposed to like be helping you and the other side of it is if you if you already kind of If you're already pretty proficient at being a good cook are these devices meant to help you And I think it really depends on what you're looking at So I I think if the smart ovens seem to lean towards The novice cook like you mentioned to Val I think brava's similar way you just put it in you forget about it Yeah, I don't I don't know what I'm doing, but this oven says step one step two step three Just follow just follow the follow the follow the dots and you yeah a good meal You know and there's one way to look at it But I think something like the instant pot and that's what I think anyway It's something like the instant pot It's really more for like if you're already if you're already kind of a decent like you didn't know how to cook somewhat It makes it life easier. It makes it easier more convenient Right for sure, but some of these ovens do that better than others I feel like the brava is good for like novice perhaps What you're doing for the June I feel it's almost it kind of fits both ways I can code I can totally see how the June would be good for novice cooks as well as those who just want to like Put in the slice of bacon and have the oven do all the thinking for you. Yeah. Yeah Now Nicole Lee many people may not realize is one of the greatest veterans of best of ce s She's involved in she has been involved with best of ce s when tech tv had it when cnet had it and now with engadget Explain to us. Nicole if you would please why the consumer electronics show best of ce s winner was a burger okay, so But you have to first of all the impossible burger is no ordinary burger right it is it is it is an it is an iteration of what Used to be a plant-based protein that tastes and feels and really tastes a lot like real me And I think that and the newer version the impossible burger 2.0 Is made even more than that it takes takes even closer to the real deal And I think there is there is definitely some technology in science that goes behind making such a You know plant-based protein tastes so meat like But also that there's potential far beyond the realms of technology A tv is a tv. Sure a computer is a computer This you could you could make the argument that this is has potential for far bigger Realms than that. This could have the potential of Revolutionizing the way we eat the way we will meet Hopefully reducing reducing our meat consumption who which will in turn lead to you know being more environmentally conscious And saving the environment in some small way And I think that has the the bigger ramifications of What is just a quote-unquote burger even if the impossible burger 2.0 isn't going to save the planet The fact that it could contribute to that Does put it above a big 8k tv Yeah, that makes that seems fair. I will say that there were a lot of debates about this internally as well. Yeah I definitely stand by like our our decision and I do think that has is as a good message overall Yeah, uh, I can't wait to taste one because your review made it sound delicious So I really want to get one of these pretty soon Uh, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories of vote on in the daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show reach it into the mail bag really quickly alan from icy montreal canada emailed us and said About two episodes ago There was a viewer email read out loud about woes of the disappearing headphone jack and the forced adoption of bluetooth headphones Now i'm a bit of an audiophile and used to hate bluetooth audio. I was convinced it would not catch on Then I ate my words after discovering and trying bluetooth 5.0 plus headphones using the newer sound codex Like apt x hd and ldac after some research. I settled on sony's wh 1000 x m2 headset It sounds incredible and because i'm on a newer android phone. It supports the best codec ldac Which is marginally better than apt x hd via some compression magic It's natively supported since android p but not on ios where the headset falls back to apt x hd Which still sounds quite good frankly I no longer missed the headphone jack for anyone that thinks bluetooth sounds like garbage Try a present day headset on a present day device. You'll be surprised how much better it sounds today than it did four years ago Thank you alan uh for that appreciate that always good to get both sides of a story there Sometimes there's even more than two sides usually actually there are a lot of sides to stories Uh, let's check in with len prultus side of today's show. What are you drawing len? Oh, yes, you know, I too Uh am an insta pot person and uh, I'm big on food tech and very interested The one thing that I saw in the notes, which I was checking in it was you guys didn't talk about this was the uh, uh The the machine that bakes bread every six minutes a bread robot. Yeah Robot I found that fascinating and this is sort of my take on that I do you really need a fresh loaf of bread baked every six minutes? So, uh, the images of a guy who is surrounded by bread and is saying please eat this bread Loaf is baked every six minutes by an ultraviolet light controlled by a 17-year-old armenian hacker Who was monitoring me over the internet through my dutch oven? Can't stop it kill me now How could he wonder you threw a dutch oven that just you know what it's possible It's possible the dutch oven The bread bot is is mostly for grocery stores. It's not for consumers FYI well, it would have been funny though. I just saw a guy sitting in his apartment with thousands of breads I've been hacked Well go check it out folks lemper all to store.com anything else len Uh, no, that's it. Just go to the store. Oh patreon patreon.com 4 slash len you can actually get these prints Uh, uh, if you become a dts lover level backer and you get them every month So go ahead and check it out. Thanks, nicole lee for joining us as always anything to tell folks about in particular going on with you No, i'm still kind of getting over, uh c es after effects. Uh, but you can't after math I should say Um, you can always check out what i'm going what i'm doing at the twitter.com slash nicole Go check it out. It was the first twitter account. I ever followed. 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We're in like the the big island and that was like what was at this the the restaurant we were at I was really hungry and I just like oh, that's very interesting like does that mean I have to pay more or Roger asked if he could actually pay the ten dollars to be grouchy Well, what I didn't realize was the island is actually filled with some pretty grouchy folks Grouchier than me which is hard to imagine because all the rocks on the beach makes people angry It's a lava rocks. They're not they're not soft Pumice pumice pumice stones Yep, so a couple of title ideas that we have out here lol omg is one We got rip windows phone, you know, just if we want to be a memorial Uh, hey google feed me now It's more than a light bulb instant pot instant magic Can you smell what tom is cooking? I'm the rock cooked by numbers Uh Can a smart oven make me dinner? That's not bad Can a smart oven make me a healthy dinner? That's all of the dots cooking So awesome any of these strike a chord with you nicole Strike a chord uh discord. No, um, what was what? Which one?    Uh, lighting for your asparagus is pretty good. We could do that I Made everybody laugh so we're doing that move by that one. Yeah, that's a good one All right, I'm putting it in the uh wordpress now for you roger and the file is green Asparagus As always nicole hang out as long as you feel you can or want, uh, but we know you're you've got a job All right, so if you need to go Thank you so much for having me I have to leave. Yeah, no problem. Uh, thanks for being here. It was great talking food with you That was really fun. Yeah All the time anytime Bye. Bye We just got a spam comment. It was very awesome. You are a good sight Thank you. Oh, I thought it was like spam like the meat like how to cook it in the the insta pot Oh, no You don't cook spam in the insta pot. Do you you could I I was I was under the impression that the insta pot was the miracle of modern cooking I wanted to be the miracle of modern cooking. Well, okay, but that doesn't mean that it can actually make every single thing ever Well, you're not making spam.  Well, you could definitely cook spam in the insta pot I'm just not sure that that's the best use for it I mean, I guess could you make you couldn't really make musubi unless you use those Compartmentalizations that Nicole was talking about one makes the rice one heats up If you can have the apartment that makes the rice and then the other one makes the spam Then you just pull it out and assemble it and you got spam musubi. There you go I guess you can use the insta pot to cook spam and spam is already cooked So it's not like you gotta reach a certain temperature Spam spam spam spam spam Oh, by the way, I didn't mention this in the pre show But the hat I'm wearing today Was the winner in the dts hat bracket that you could follow along at chalanj chal o n g e chalanj.com slash dts hats It defeated this poor 1979 era Cincinnati Reds adjustable hat Now been eliminated from the tournament eliminated. Yeah, so The the aie hat the that I'm wearing We'll go on to face the winner of next week's battle Which will be the st. Louis blues hat versus the black fitted oaklanda's hat And then I'm going off on vacation the week after that so I may come back with a new hat What if you came back with a different face like oof That's right Yeah, well that's isn't that the whole soap opera gimmick like what if I came back with eyes without a face? What if he came back as billy idle? I'd I'd listen to the show But how would you even know if you were just listening? I'm gonna just say he looks like billy idle you could you could try to you could try to affect a billy idle like accent the sneer right Well, you couldn't hear the sneer. I mean, can you hear a sneer? It's a nice day for a d t n s A little Elvis at the end, but sure It's a nice day for some tech news You know tom every time I signed up for your um uh newsletter And uh every day it comes to me. I'm like, oh tom wrote me something And I go oh, it's not really from tom. It's the spot That's funny. It's free tech newsletter.com. And yes, it comes from me tom merit Uh, but that was happening to me with jester robert young's free political newsletter the same thing I'd be like, oh, I got a note from justin. What do you see that? Oh, it's his newsletter Oh, wow He doesn't like me. I still enjoy the newsletter It's just that I and and if if if you are like me eventually you'll start to know the subject lines and realize Oh, this is the newsletter. Yeah, and you'll still get excited when you get an actual email Unless you were being ironic and you were Naming your email something funny and just hey, did you get my email? No, I um I already said today is out. Uh, the next one I send out. I should put hey lenn Hey lenn, it's me That would be hilarious. I'd be like, oh Oh Yeah, I'm you tom merit Hey, lenn, want to come over? Want to play the switch? Hey, lenn. I'm gonna be in town In town. Yeah in town 23rd through 29th We ever figure out how to make our patreon grow again I would like to to to make going on the road a thing. That'd be fun Yeah, where we where we actually go and visit Like cleveland, you know cleveland. Yeah, it's that because you have two people here rich. Yeah, you and ranch Oh, there's there's more than that big gyms in the area. Who else? I there's a lot of people around the cleveland area. Yeah Um I'm trying to remember who else is there, but there I'm forgetting a bunch of people Yeah, there are a lot of dts listeners for sure a lot of dts associated folks We're thinking people who were on the show you could you know to mean like that was why I was thinking But yeah, there are a lot of fans as well New york would have to be a stop for you York City Yeah, london. I'd love to go back to london. I just went there About just just a bit more than a year ago, but I'll go back Hey, i'm frayed Are you supposed to be I don't care what is that a threat. I'll come back. You can't keep me out london I'll be the next top story. I've never been to paris I've been to paradise, but I've never been to paris Yeah, two tickets to paradise But and if you have a cheeseburger with you Oh man, I will definitely come back to illinois because my family is there so that's that's a given It sounds like a song. I'm definitely coming back to illinois. Yeah, it's a country song for sure. I'm definitely coming back to illinois I was thinking I just wrote an email to mr. Ayaz actor so Also not from illinois or cleveland. No, he's in new york right now, right? He's in new york. He's from queens originally but he was Yeah He is uh, he is a subject of uh, the empress Cardi B of queens. Oh Yeah, yeah Made me think mass singer again. Man. I okay. So yesterday. I embarrassed. I've been embarrassing myself I said steve bezos last week instead of jeff bezos.  I did not realize there was so much post malone antipathy out there I don't even know who he is. What is he a singer? Do you know the song sunflower from the spider-man soundtrack? Uh, oh, okay. That's post malone. That's post malone. Okay, and um I Don't dare say anyone's name these days without checking like five times. Uh, it's uh swaley post malone and swaley okay Because you know the only time I'd heard of post malone was on the mass singer because someone said oh, maybe that's post malone And all my kids every single one of them were like Didn't sound like that I'm like, I don't even know who he is guys. Is there a reason why he uh, he got her so much, um side eye I'm I I need to find that out somebody put a link to a story about why in our slack and I haven't had a chance to read it Didn't you go to jail or something?  I can't Johnny cash went to jail. Everybody seems like him Yeah, but maybe it's a posthumous thing like I This guy looks like post malone looks like the, um Lead singer of co-heating cambria Hmm our minds and we have them Right now, I guess I'm pre malone because I just don't know enough. I don't know what I need these people My kids ran well video folks I doff my cap to you And say I do I do Tuesday don't forget holiday in the u.s. Martin Luther king jr. 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I'll just keep introducing about my team. I beg your understanding, I might, you know, read up my script for the presentation. So I just get straight to the topic of this presentation. So I want to introduce and propose a research topic at the same time. I'm introducing and proposing at the same time, since, you know, I'm introducing because my team is already working on the analysis that gives us Korea. And then I'm proposing because, you know, we're all evangelists of open science. So more resources and ideas are welcome. It would be perfect. So if you're interested, just come here later. So I'll focus on, you know, explaining why this study is important, the rationale behind it. And then I just briefly go through some research towards prior studies. And then the methodology we are going to use and the data set we are analyzing, how we are going to evaluate the analysis. And then last, the implementation of this study. So to quote some prior studies, clustering and classification is really, you know, fundamental to any kind of analysis on groups of data. And it is especially important because, you know, the data generated is very crazy, crazy. And to emphasize a little bit on, you know, academic knowledge graph, as many of you might already know. The silos of humanity knowledge is doubling every decade. And every year there are more than a million paper added to the process. So, you know, in this era of information overload, we need to have a decent analytic technique to, you know, get a grasp of what we have in the knowledge graph. And then on the other hand, this is the important part. So instead of mentioning the whole research thing, our project total needs this study. To explain the part, I need to briefly explain about what we are trying to do with Pluto. So basically, we are, you know, kind of often mentioned together with science roots on the press. So we are trying to do similar things. And we want to make a publishing platform where it is, you know, genuinely different from legacy system. So we don't want to have editors because, you know, and then no screening, like, except for reject. And then no grouping of papers is general. I think, you know, already mentioned, you know, it could be substituted by labeling or tagging. And then one thing we wanted to keep from the legacy system was, you know, having the peer review. Because still, we need a measure of evaluation on every piece of knowledge. So then one part was, you know, what we wanted to keep from the legacy system. And so as a new focus system, we wanted to have reviewers give scores on the paper they review quantitatively. And so this is kind of like, you know, having a consensus on the quality of papers on a public blockchain. And the major challenge here is that this is much of a domain of, you know, subjective field. So, you know, for public blockchains, they are making consensus on, you know, much more objective domains, like, you know, as in they have consensus on the legion of who has how much money, how much tokens of currencies. But here, what we want to have consensus on is the subject, you know, measure of, how variable of a piece of knowledge is or of papers. So this is a very subjective one. And the problem comes in this part. So this is to have a, you know, a consensus on the quality of a paper. And then the reviewers are giving scores. And then we want to have, you know, rather question on if the reviewers are good as good, you know, as the scores they are giving.  And at first we wanted to, we looked at it as having, you know, multi desk review, aka, you know, review of reviews. They have it in the period of science. And this is, you know, this doesn't work because, you know, so this is needed because we have reviews and then we don't, we can't ensure whether the reviews are good. So we have, you know, second desk of review. And then how can we ensure that the second desk is always good? And how about the third one or fourth one? So it came to a conclusion that a multi desk design doesn't work, the game never ends with this design. So our solution to this was to, you know, utilize the record of activity from the past on the reviewers. So that is, suppose that I am giving review for BFD and I have, you know, submitted those three papers in the past and then reviewed other two papers in the past, then we can just use the similarity function between those five papers and then the paper D. So if this set of five papers and the paper D to be reviewed are very similar together, then one could simply say that, okay, it's okay for me to review the paper. So that was what we wanted to do with the analysis on clustering papers. That's a long story for explaining why we needed to do this study. And so look at some, you know, prior studies on this field. They have, you know, analyzed on the co-citation more bibliographic co-citing, you know. So this is, you know, when a paper cites two papers in the same document, they're co-cited. And then again, a paper is cited by two different papers that have bibliographic co-citing. And then there has been also, you know, studies on cytases. Cytases are the sentences where the citation actually occurs in the full text. Studies have been analysis on this kind of thing. And then also we had recent works on, you know, analyzing the network we have on the knowledge graph. I personally had experienced a study in my undergraduate program that was doing, you know, the simple analysis like, you know, centrality work between these. So that's one of the most, you know, elementary analysis from the network analysis. But that didn't go really well. We found no meaningful results from those analysis. And these are relatively more recent works from the network analysis field. So the line is, you know, abbreviation for large-scale information network embedding and PTE, D-Borg, GCN, and SDN. Those are all recent works from network embedding and which is really relevant to our study. And our proposed methodology is not-to-backed algorithm which is devised by two Stanford researchers three years ago, I guess. And the whole contribution from this not-to-backed algorithm was that it has a flex of notion of neighborhood. Neighborhood means, you know, the adjacency of nodes in the site network. And then they don't need a seed in the first stage. So for, you know, for ordinary network analysis, they require a seed input to get a great modeling of it. But not-to-backed algorithm had to give no seed in the beginning. And then they use the skip-gram, you know, all that to explore the network. And they're also scalable to large-scale networks and they are good for general uses for any kind of networks. So this is the methodology we are trying to use to analyze our data. And our data being used is offered by Microsoft Research. It has more than 170 million papers, metadata of them, and which covers more than 48,000 journals worrying about the user, our service currently. And the prior studies had always, not always, but often been, you know, analyzing on DBLP or site-care database for sometimes web of science. But those are, it has near limitations in that those two on the other side, they are more focused on computer science field. And then they have much more less coverage of paper. And speaking of web of science, we are not an institutional research institute. So we don't have any access to web of science. Anyways, the data set we are using is this one. I guess it's one of the biggest database when we speak of knowledge graph. We are going to evaluate our results, maybe by one of these methods. So the most difficult things are, you know, checking the correspondence of journal. So if we have, you know, link from our network analysis between paper A and B, we could just see if paper A and B are actually, you know, published in the same journal. They could be used as a evaluation metric. Or we can just use the link prediction. So predict the link in a network with more significance of importance. It's a great evaluation. And another one we are thinking of is the proposed paper in last year. So they proposed to have a modularity of, you know, measuring the quality of the string using the time span of the path linking the two papers.  I don't know why, we have to, you know, look at more about the imagination part. So if you have any suggestions, this is everything. And the impact of this study is, you know, so I have explained, you know, a little bit about our system design for peer review. And then if you have a good result from this study, we can, you know, make the design system. And then we also can have a good recommendation algorithm for papers. So, you know, Bluetooth network is currently providing service called Sinex, the urn is synex.io is SDI. It's a search engine like Google scholar. So you can look for academic papers, but you don't have full text, but it's a search engine. And then for the search engines for academic work, it's great to have a recommendation system. And then the limitation is that we are doing this study under some clear assumptions. So firstly, we are assuming that academic papers are available to measure on a quantitative base. So it's just, I don't want to argue on this. If you're just assuming it, we can have quantity scores on the papers. And then another assumption is that site tension is a clear evidence of relevancy between two papers. I also don't want to argue on this. It has been, you know, a lot of debates on this, but it's just some assumptions for our study. And then, so this low to vector analysis is a, I know, modeling thing. So if you have new entry, that is, you know, you have a freshly submitted paper into your network, you always have to model the network again. Because, you know, new entry changes the structure of the network. So it's always, it's to speak about machine learning. It's not a learning from machine, but it's a modeling of the machine. And then lastly, site tension practices might change in the future. So it's also one of the debates going on. And lots of my teammates think that it should change. So it's not a clear limitation. And so these are references of my proposal. I should have more references, but I forgot to put them, sorry. So I guess that's all I have to say about this. What's your comparison using this kind of graph analysis versus AI machine learning approaches to the same domain? Basically, network embedding is one of the AI techniques. So you see it's strong overlap, but you're not actually using or studying that in terms of how Pluto works. You're just providing, that research is just the algorithm which could be used. Yeah, we're just practically using the algorithm, yeah. You said that the site Asian practices might change. How do you think they will change? Well, I personally have no view on that, but my team lead, Jun Sun, thinks that currently there's too many references. So he thinks like, most of paper should have like less than 10 references, but it's just his personal thought.