are Uh, healthy people there are men who are less or more, you know, keyed up emotionally But I I don't think there's anything wrong with it being expressive emotionally unless it, you know It's sort of immature like you're acting like a child Or abusive. Yeah true Yeah, all right. Well, let's continue on Marriage causes divorce for five euros Steven has lost his money House and kids in divorce Hillary was asked to use an uber who has really been used and abused I don't know if any of us have any information about divorce proceedings and how they're being finalized yet That's still something that's being actively litigated. It's my understanding Yeah, my understanding is in the article at least they talk about how she's been living in a townhouse separate from the main house So if I don't know, no, that was even Okay, but that's fair regardless. It's not clear who's getting what possessions It would probably be half All right, we have no idea. I don't know what pre-existing paperwork there was. I don't know what assets she brought into the marriage I don't know how well of her family is. I don't know if she's been earning money or not. We have no idea Greenups. Yeah, what'll be the marital? possessions Or you can guess but well, let's continue on there Um Scrolling up here. So avash stampede for five dollars challenge question to thorps Grace thorp can a person express anger calmly? We'll start with that and we'll Let you answer that and we'll then we'll uh complete the second part So to you grace can a person express anger calmly and if you could elaborate on that for our super chatter there You can I think you can express anger calmly but you can also express it in a way where you're yelling and you're animated and you're invested and I I think the contentious thing is like that Destiny and eryada are saying that's wrong but showing it in a Moderate way is right and I'm saying well, there's different ways to show it. Both are equally Acceptable and in different contexts would make sense Okay, so the second part of that was to you ben So ben how is kyla lying? Provide proof please of your claims if you want to remind the live chat When that accusation was made and why? We'll try to keep that quick So do you remember uh, she she she lied a few times or or twisted things a few times, but I don't remember what it was Well, you know, that's an interesting point because I've had this a lie can be a misrepresentation of something that is true Right like in the garden of Eden the devil says Surely you will not die if you eat of the fruit was he lying Not technically because they didn't die But the the most dangerous kind of lie the worst kind of lie is one which actually technically isn't you know Isn't just a total lie, right? Even things like stereotypes genocides are based on some kernel of truth About the group that you're talking about and it's it's an exaggeration rather than an outright lie Like you can't think of I don't know if you can think of a stereotype Where it's just an outright fabrication It's going to be based on something and then that's what's very dangerous though So are you walking back that I lied and you're saying now that I just like was hyperbolic No, I would call those lies the devil is the father of lies the prince of lies All right. Well, um I guess I should ask is there any comment on that uh on your side guys On what on what constitutes a lie or yeah, I was gonna say, uh, is there any other comments on that or do you want to just continue on? I don't think I have any comments on it. All right. Let's go. Don't have any proof of me lying, Stephen You know when I when I want to go at it But but I will say if you take a lie as a fabrication, then you have not lied I completely Can see that all right. I'm just making sure that we uh, you know got down to the meat of what the super chatter was I'm cleared of charges All right, excellent Kyle james. Thank you for your membership for six months. Awesome. You've been here almost as long as I have $10 Ben you and I both know that Steven Crowder wasn't abusive He was a pansy little girl If Steve was a real man like you tell the audience how you would have properly dealt with his wife Yeah, you know, that's interesting if you say like so, how should he have done it? I think he did a great job. I don't know I I think he should have been more suspicious that she was setting him up But this is the problem with men. We're nice We don't think that a woman while we're working in building something for them Is trying to figure out and consulting with evil people like this yasha ali On how to destroy us and they do do that and she I think in this case Did do that. She set him up. She did that right in front of the camera She timed it perfectly so she'd get alimony and I think for a couple of years She'd been cooking this whole thing up and men generally don't think women are capable of that and they are Well, I I know I I think erinite this was kind of her point about like 9d chess But it like that that's not really possible that you'd think about that stuff But women do check out of relationships way earlier than men check out of them before they're actually over Because I think it's kind of natural like Because women are contingent on men Once you realize a relationship is coming to a close the the woman generally checks out of it earlier and looks for another Uh support whether it's a man or whatever So I do think it's quite possible that she checked out and was actively You know whether super super consciously or not she was saying like I see that this is over And I'm making plans for the future. I do think that's quite and there is some evidence of that Although I don't think he was accusing her of like being um What's the term of sexually infidelity? But when he if you if you read carefully, I mean if you watch it carefully, you'll see he says the man that you see The woman comes we have no idea what was being said there. That's it's like an audible I'm just saying I'm let's go Steven elaborate We we gave a bunch of time over to that side. Well, I'm just saying that way Yeah, there's like a there's a vague line like when when mothers or men come back to their mothers or whatever There's like a weird but the it's not captioned and it's really hard to hear those sayings I don't think we can speculate but it does it does say the man that you see and then when And then when she says I'll just say another piece of evidence I'm saying when when when she says oh should I call a friend to pick me up I think there's an implication there because he reacts so strongly to it Is that a threat and I think she's basic It's hard not to read it as her saying so you want me to call Whatever the guy's name is to come pick me up and I I doubt you know a pregnant woman It's it's kind of inconceivable that she's going to be Someone in that state is going to be sexually but still that there was a relationship That somehow connected with this yasha alley scumbag Um that could have literally just been maybe she's talked shit to friends before about steven crowded That could have been yeah, yeah, we had no idea right But someone who he's like I don't want you spending time with this person because maybe it's an emotional affair Where this person is sort of fermenting her in her sort of victim mentality you could see the narrative there, right? I mean you can't dismiss that No, it's just it's a wide reach. Yeah Like I wouldn't assume that's true. It could be it doesn't even maybe it's plausible But I wouldn't just like outright make that a well there are things that don't add up here Like why would he say I can't call my friends if you take the car that doesn't make sense But it's maybe he means like call his friends to go over. They're just mad.  It could have misspoken literally Well, I can't be here. He said I can't be here It could have been because of covet maybe because of a surgery He had to be like maximally isolated for a certain amount of time so you couldn't like see friends or family like But I don't know. It's just weird. It's just weird what I'm saying is you can read it You can read it in this way You could read it one way to paint. Hillary is this like nefarious actor who is plotting two years in advance Yeah, I don't really know what you mean grace with like women check out first I don't know if you're talking about like how women initiate divorces first I'm not really sure what you're citing there is like Women always check out of relationships or consistently check out of relationships first. I'm not really sure where that's coming from I think it's generally true because women are contingent on men for like generally for financial support that if they realize A relationship is going downhill or if they intend to end the relationship They emotionally check out earlier so that they can emotionally and whatever else support like connected somebody else to be their support So that's why I would say when she's talking with him at that point that it had gotten to that point So he's still emotionally invested whereas she's kind of like You can see she's cold to a level where she doesn't even really get riled up She's just like wants to get out of there, right? She's checked out. I'm that's the that's the point I was making I think it's possible that she could have been in that place Yeah, I think that's true Look for plan b possibly plan b like she was calm and highly submissive I don't know if I would agree that she was like clearly checked out. She was avoidant She was trying to get away But I don't know if I would be like you can tell that she was just like emotionally disengaged from the situation I would say that that's like Definitely not true There's like definitely times where you hear kind of like pleading and stuff like that That it seems like she's like pretty emotionally connected to the situation. She's just Maybe at worst highly avoidant and wants to get away from the situation Yeah, the problem is we have no idea how these two normally resolve conflicts So you have no idea how to read that if you saw me acting that way in a fight I could still be totally plugged in if Molina was acting that way in a fight She's probably one foot out the door because Molina tends to be more emotional fights And I tend to be more like all zone out or I'll be avoidant So you have no idea in looking at like a person's reactions Like if they've completely checked out or not because we don't know how they normally resolve conflict So I don't think it's fair to say like she's ready to run No, you can't guess you truly don't know you have no idea what's going on Well, you guys felt free to guess and Kyla called No, hold on She's got a piece of shit Because some of the behavior that he's exhibiting is clearly a piece of behavior No, it isn't clearly. No, it isn't All right We already you already conceded that we won the debate So why Oh, it's true My bad, I forgot My bad We forgot We forgot Several L's We've got several W's over here Let's continue I'm sorry guys Without any direct declaration from either side Let's continue always our super chats because we got lots of them Keep them coming in I mean nobody has said anything about having to go yet So I mean everybody seems to be having a good time You can let me know Yeah, all right We'll continue on as we are Psych or for ten dollars you guys are all misunderstood They're not talking about abuse They're talking about Crowder's abuse When he's using his abs to persuade his wife Biggest misunderstanding on modern day debate Psych or Well, let's continue on from there No comprendo Yeah, all right He's he's making jokes. It's fine Brian Stevens Two dollars.  I got it. Don't worry. I'm here.  You're saying we guys and then everything you said is targeted against me It sounds like this is just between me and you Well, Steven does his little thing like, oh, whatever you need from me Let's try to now Steven's catching the strings Make our comments towards our other speakers who have respectfully chosen to be here tonight I appreciate that They've given us a great opportunity Yes, in the live chat as well and the speakers on the panel We're going to do our best to keep our discussion about Is Steve Crowder innocent? And that's what we've been talking about So let's continue on with our super chats I'm trying to copy and paste here as I go, everybody So bear with me Alan for $20, there's four layers All right, you can all hear me. That's good Alan, $20 There's four layers What is said, what they mean, subtext and context A person can say I don't love you And it can sound like an attack or a genuine expression I feel like this argument keeps jumping between those four layers And to specify the four layers that Alan put in his $20 super chat This is a $20 super chat, so we'll give it some attention here Four layers is what is said, what they meant, subtext and context Let's kick it over to Steve and to start Yeah, I don't disagree, but I guess it's hard I can't tell with our interlocutors here Like how much of this needs to be explicitly laid out Because it seems like they want to dance between a lot of these different types of subtexts Like if you're in therapy with a significant other And you're trying to work through problems And you're like, listen, I don't know if I love you anymore That's a lot different than being in the middle of an argument Like, I don't love you anymore Which is also a lot different than being in a serious discussion outside of therapy But like, I don't think I love you anymore All of these things are completely different But the context that is being said with Crowder and his wife It's not being said in a way to genuinely convey an emotion It's not being said in a way to resolve conflict or anything It's being said as an aggressive point of attack To try to trigger the other party Because they're just looking to attack each other Or at the very least, Steven Crowder's looking to go like, hello, Crowder I totally disagree with that She goes, she goes, I love you, I'm committed to you He goes, I don't love you That's the big problem You've never shown me love You just, I don't exactly remember But he says something like, you just show You just say you love me, but you don't show it You don't do A, B, C, and D How is that him trying to, like, I think when we say A, B, C, and D, he missed trying to hurt somebody Violence, right? How is that trying to hurt her? He's pointing out an issue in their relationship He says that's the big problem He's literally trying to solve a problem I don't see how you could possibly say that's like a pointed attack to hurt her So if I say, if I'm in a big fight with Nick, right? And Nick says, Kyla, I still love you And I go, I don't love you And I've never experienced love from you Do you think that that's going to, like, feel good? Or do you think that might be, like, super hurtful for him? Who cares what feels like? What if it's true? Well, she was literally just talking about harm She was just talking about harm, which is about, like, feelings, right? Well, can I, can I ask a question? You're a loser Well, yeah, your feelings aren't the most important thing, Kyla Well, if you say something purposefully to hurt somebody's feelings That, that's, that I would say that's wrong to do But if you say something that's true That ends up hurting somebody's feelings Because they don't want to, it's a hard reality That doesn't make it abusive Well, what about this? Steven Crowder seemed like he was trying to communicate An uncomfortable truth that they needed to work through Yes, yes, he did Absolutely, he did He didn't raise his voice? I mean I still don't understand that if you guys think this Because you guys want to do this So if you want to think this, that's fine But then why are you mad at Hillary for leaving? Why would you stay with somebody that doesn't love you anymore? Because she needed to make sense of her situation Stop, I need you to answer that question Why should she have stayed there? Why you have said that she left? I did answer it Well, how was her make, she made sense of this situation He said he didn't love her, so she left Isn't that what she should do? She, she needs to make, there's a little more to it No, there's not Yes, there is What? He doesn't love her anymore She should just leave Well, he's saying, okay So is this abusive to say to someone You say you love me But your actions We're not talking about that right now You're not seeing Oh, yes we are No, we're not He said, I don't love you anymore So she should be like, okay And then he said, wait, then he clarified it by saying You say you love me And I ask you to do A, B, C, and D And you don't do any of them I think that is a perfectly philosophically Astute point If love does not manifest itself in action But you just keep saying I love you, I love you, I love you That is not love, that is manipulation Sure, but why would you do one thing For someone to point that out is perfectly fine Sure, but why do anything for somebody that doesn't love you anymore? You should just leave At that point it's over He's going to try it He's going to try to make him There's a major crisis here No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no That's not a crisis That's the relationship is over I don't love you anymore Oh, okay, fine Then we're done Divorce You think relationships are, I mean I don't know exactly what he meant by that I don't feel love towards you I think that's what he meant That's not the same thing as love Oh, okay, so now we're gonna Now we're getting hyper subtextualizing The everything, okay Well, yeah, because if you define love I don't know, Steven It's called interpretations What we're doing If you say love is wanting the best for somebody else I don't think he's saying I don't want the best for you But if you interpret love as like I feel connected towards you And like, we're working together Just so it's clear We're not, we're not talking about What happened between Steven Crowder anymore We're just like Yes, we're just making up stuff We're just making up shit I wouldn't have a problem if you said I hate you, Hillary I hate you Different contexts I wouldn't have a problem with him saying I hate you for what you were doing I wouldn't have any problem with him saying that I'm gonna be totally honest I hate you Is probably a less hurtful statement to a partner Than saying I don't love you Well, you know what really sucks Is someone saying I love you While they're preparing to destroy you And I think that's what was going on there Okay And playing to a camera Yeah, he was Oh Let's continue on with our super chat All right, so Let's scroll up Brutally honest That's kind of a personal attack Two euros, thanks for your donation That's great Three thousand Wait, who is that a personal attack on? Towards Ben and we're not gonna do it Three thousand GTV are four Five dollars What are Grace and Ben's opinions on inter-family relationships And the implication of that power dynamic That's a strange question Inter-family? That would mean between families Intra-family be within As I say, if you want to just skip this one, we can I'm sure they're meeting within families I think, yeah, they're asking what your opinion is On inter-family relationships So That would be between families I don't know what that means Intra-family I'm sure that's what they're talking about Yes, they're probably not being pedantic about words So they're using words inaccurately and then that's abusive also They're being very naughty by using words inaccurately Yes, that's true I think what they're implying I mean It's called the English language, you should respect it We can just skip this one Because I think once again we're going into Territory I wouldn't know what it would mean Intro, what are you talking about? I would say what I think they mean What is power dynamics really? I think what the host is trying to say is It sounds like they're making an incest joke That's what it sounds like they're saying I will just say you, yes That is what it sounds like they are trying to imply there So we can just skip that because I don't think that's relevant No, we can skip that Fuck you for saying that, whoever said that Well, let's Fuck you people for not, for not pushing back on that All that, we're not going to We're just going to move past it Thank you Psychor, $10 You guys are all misunderstood They're not talking about abuse They're talking about Crowder's abuse We already read that Let's move on I might have copied and pasted that once or twice Because I'm trying to keep an eye on this live chat Because you guys keep putting more in there And I got to keep copying pasting them Before I lose them Because they escape me if I don't All right Killianne for $20 I have been married for 20 plus years And have never yelled At my wife or called her name in disagreement We have a fantastic relationship And screw like teenagers Thorpe's our relationship Yeah, I'm not going to read the rest of that But they're basically saying They've got a great relationship And they don't think that You're representing relationships well So you can comment on that I, that's cap You've been married for 20 years You've never yelled at your wife That's not possible I think it's possible You've never raised your voice At the woman that you share your life with There are plenty of people that have relationships like that Never Yeah, there are tons of people that have Totally boring and healthy relationships I got absolutely And there are a lot of people that yell And have problems too Just depends on the dynamic Yeah, there's different personality types It's possible But I doubt it Do you never yell at your I would ask him Do you ever yell at your kids either Or that's also You've never yelled at your kids Because everybody yells at their kids There's lots of families There's different styles There's different cultures There's different cultures I mean, okay Remember Grace, we used to go and see the At the beach, we used to see the Sometimes the Guatemalan families They just seemed very placid They didn't seem Yeah, but sometimes they yelled at their kids Well, whatever Yeah, sure I'm sure they didn't mean that literally But All right, let's Let's Continue on Five euros from I That's a great Black Sabbath tune, by the way It's very hard to find But if you just type in the letter I In Black Sabbath, great song All right, can the pro-crowder team Answer if they think Hillary is abusive In the clip And give a specific example Uh, yeah, I mean Well, I would say to me She seems disengaged She lies to him She says she's committed to him Which is just a way of Making herself look better And driving him crazy By not responding to the Genuine problems he's pointing out By just saying pious phrases To make him feel like he's the bad guy And he's yelling at her When she wasn't committed Divorced him a couple months later And I don't think she's Necessarily recognizing what she's doing But I would say it is abusive It's He never She never responded to anything That he said Yeah And then she accused him of abusing How is he gonna respond When she accuses of him Steven, Steven, this is abusive What are you supposed to say at that point? What can a man possibly say? So wait So she disengaged, lied to him Accused him of abuse And that's like clear evidence Do you guys feel like it's clear Or like how confident are you in this Like percentage? I'm just not sure And I'm not asking that condescending I just don't know how strongly You think that she abused him 100% And shut down Abusive Abusive in the sense that you're miss Yes, the sense that I don't think she's intentionally trying to harm him Well, actually, I mean, I guess I actually do Because she was aware of the camera So, you know, I'm trying to be generous But like I do believe she was aware of that camera And saved that clip So if you have to If you look at it through that perspective Then yes, it's abusive She's trying to wind her husband up Being abusive Yes, in some ways, yes So you just changed it You said 100% How sure are you that this was abusive Now you're saying she's 100% abusive No, no, no, no Not she was being abusive 100% Was all of her activity 100% 100% abuse? No Right, you believe You believe Because that's the clarification You believe that she was being abusive 100% So like being disengaged Lying and accusing him of abuse is enough Is sufficient for her to be abusing him But him like Saying I'll fuck you up I don't love you And like being uncompromising Isn't him being abuse I'm not really understanding these two The answer to the question is yes Right, yes Within the context of her sitting there Framing him Driving him crazy to make him look bad And disengaging herself personally And then using that clip against him Two years later Yes, it's abusive Damn Okay But him like being pressuring Or like moving his body in ways Where she's feeling physically coerced Or like being unwilling to compromise With her on anything Saying things like I don't love you And you never show me any love Trying to pressure her to stay home When she wants to leave Not really being okay with her leaving Those things Right, those are not abusive Not abusive Is there any example Can we think of an example of a man being abusive Where he's not hitting the person Yeah Can you give me an example I'm just curious Taking out your anger at somebody For something they didn't do somebody else did to you Like lashing out at them to take your anger out Something like that So as long as There's obviously a bunch of examples So as long as the thing you're complaining About actually happened You have carte blanche to express That any way you want As long as you don't hit the person You mean having a disproportionate reaction Yeah, sure, that's true I told my son once I was in a stressful situation He got a yo-yo from Toys R Us When it still existed and it broke And I told him to throw it out And throw himself out while he was at it That's abusive, definitely I apologize to him Why would that be abusive? Five minutes later Because I was just frustrated by the situation And there was a lot of chaos And I just bought him a nice yo-yo And, you know, so I had my It wouldn't have been wrong for me to say like Why'd you break it? So, you know, what happened? But, you know, I was, yeah, I was abused So, sure All right So we answered your question But you guys never answered our question Another win for the Thorps It's been a 100% win on this side W-R-W-R-W, yeah Yeah It feels like you guys have like Basically darvowed Like, I feel like actual darvow You're just darvowing for Crowder, in this case I don't know what darvow is Well, we're gonna Deny, accuse, reverse Also, we're abusing you now We're gonna take a side step That's not what I said We're taking this So, we have Stockholm syndrome from No, I said you're darvowing for Crowder We're gonna take a side step and keep on point here So, Doe, you had five dollars Thank you so much for your super chat Why does every conservative talking point Can simplify to conspiracy? I think that's towards Grace and Ben there Well, I'm not a conservative, so I don't know Well, but I mean, yeah, me neither But like even if you even if you say, okay She wasn't conspiring to do this Even if you just look at it Just just the video itself I honestly see a man who's frustrated Trying to communicate an issue He has with his wife and his wife Not responding to any of his questions Not getting emotionally invested But just kind of saying repeating his name And asserting that she's going to leave And I would say, you know You don't have to necessarily say that she conspired To say that at the very least He's not being abusive By bringing up an issue in their relationship That's not abusive Like there was a point made about this Like you guys know Fresh and Fit They're there They took the most extreme take on this We do not represent the most extreme take on this You know, because they're like red pillars And I think they're just anti-female in some ways But it's subtle But, you know, they made a big deal about the edits And how she worked the edits She didn't work the edits I know there was a guy on your stream who Like saw that It was just a clip She didn't work, you know That would be a conspiracy theory that was disproven Right, we all agree that It had to do with the ring video Having a motion sensor Yeah, the security camera So that seems like Because it was at exactly 30 seconds You had your guy do it And so All right Well, let's continue on from there And I will remind everybody in the super chat There's 900 of you watching And they're still only slightly shy of 400 likes So, well, I don't know what you guys are doing I don't know if you're disliking this But surely you agree with somebody here Maybe you agree with me Maybe you like that Black Sabbath tune I don't know But surely you agree with somebody So smash that like button And share this out to your contentious spaces So we can keep the conversation rolling All right, Jerome Bentley for $10 Is a physical violence necessary in a marriage Are there times where you must hit your wife Outside of self-defense From physical violence Like the times you hit mom and broke her glasses This is a fake account That's supposed to be my son Yeah, let's just let's just respond to the first point Is physical violence necessary in a marriage Let's just let's just cap it Let's just cap it at that I would say yeah, absolutely it could be What if somebody had implanted a bomb In your wife's arm And the bomb was about to explode And you had to smack her arm to like disarm the detonator I would say that in that sense You should probably use physical violence Was that a good response Ben?  Yeah, maybe she used to be a pilot But she got into a helicopter accident 20 years ago She's a medic Yeah, she didn't remember how And she's like, I don't think I can do it And he's like, wake up, Jane It's you and the only one who can fly this Yeah, you're the only one who can fly this plane Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So you agree with me and another W over here That she was a pilot If another W Another W over here Absolutely So let's not say a man can never put his hands on a woman And a man can never A father can never put his hands on his children in violence Because that's not true And it's stupid to say things like that True There's a lot of planes out there that need pilots Steven, why don't we engage sincerely Instead of being snarky Okay, I haven't made comments about your hair I haven't made comments about your wearing a t-shirt Because when somebody asks you to slap a woman They're not saying Is it so she can pilot a plane? Let's just be fair The course of normal day to day Like, well, you should force an answer I want to hear an answer to that Do they really think it's okay to smack a woman? She's not acting right? I will inject I appreciate the question But I will say that everybody's been a little snarky tonight But I think Ben just said that he thinks that's appropriate in some cases So I'll let him elaborate on that And we'll kick it back to you, Steven Yes, there are times like that They should be minimized But there are times like that And they're not as infrequent as we'd like to say Are there situations outside plane crashing? I just gave you an example Let's say there's a situation where Children need to be taken care of in a certain way And a woman's just freaking out And she needs, yeah, I would call it a physical correction I can't think of a time where I'm like Mom, help your kids I'm just, my brain, I can't think of Well, you realize you're putting me in a difficult situation Because you're telling me to advocate for something Which is against the law So you want to play games? We'll play games Okay, if you think it's a difficult situation To be asked if you should hit a woman That says more about your position than mine But all right Well, everybody can, I mean it's not just for Here's the only situation theoretically I can think of Okay, I'll try to be good faith Finish up this point and we'll move on Say there's an intruder in your home No, oh come on We don't even entertain us This is so dumb, right?  She's driving her employee hard, right? Well, when the, um, the inside These are all trolls Those trolls, whatever Take their money and whatever It's different to whatever For the child than an employee But whatever Stupid Yes, it could be appropriate And it could be not appropriate All right, well, would you guys If I can if I could throw this over to Stephen and Kyla Okay Do you respect a father or a boss Who holds his kids to high standards And holds them to the same heights Him or her That's what none of the conversation has Okay, I'm just asking Stephen I'm not answering, I'm not answering Because we're not talking about Holding anybody to a high standard It's not a personal insult No one is talking about Holding anybody to a high standard We're talking about Issuing physical connections to partners I'm just curious We can have a separate conversation about Or Kyla can answer, it's okay I'm not here to talk I don't know what that question has Anything to do with It doesn't resemble anything about Well, a lot of times a demanding boss Or a demanding parent Can be a good thing Demanding doesn't mean attacking somebody That's the opposite of a good leader How are you demanding Except by demanding, you know Verbally Authoritarian parents are Like very well established To be highly harmful That they're not even talking about Snacking their parents Having really, really, really high standards That are really rigid And you hold people to them Tends to crush people Yeah, I agree It's pretty awful That's it, I agree But that doesn't mean you have to have those things Obviously, I would never agree That a boss or parent needs to hit their child To get them to meet expectations And even outside of that Even the framework you're giving Empirically, we know that authoritative parents Are awful for children Yeah, I agree with you They're not good for flourishing But that doesn't mean you can't hold high standards We should all hold high standards for everybody I don't think anybody can do that Well, she assumed because I said I didn't say authoritarian I didn't assume anything I didn't say do you endorse an authoritarian parenting style I said, do you think That it can be A healthy parent who holds his kids to high standards And also especially in employment Where it's voluntary If you're getting paid well You should, you know, belly up I think there are I think more of the time It's probably not that healthy Based on the way that you're framing it Okay All right Let's continue on Yeah, thank you everybody For your super chats You know, if you want to keep them coming in You know, we've been going for three hours But we're continuing on We're having a good discussion As far as I'm concerned, you know We're keeping it As chill as we can, you know Given the nature of this discussion So Muhammad for 550 Canadian We're going to skip that one That's for destiny You might have seen it in the super chat But we're just going to skip it Because it's Wait, what's it about Not relevant It's not relevant to the discussion Was it like an insult That you think I can't handle Or was it about something unrelated All right Well, then I'll I'll Do you know what? I'll read it But I'm gonna I'm gonna give it the The attention it deserves Okay She is a pregnant You smurf Regardless Crowder is a better human than you And that's an insult Okay, gotcha Okay There you go I'm sorry, Muhammad That wasn't a very respectful comment I didn't want to read it So we're gonna move on Stay curious Five dollars Grace, do you believe Anger is always justified Regardless of if the other person Doesn't understand how and what They did affected you? Of course not You can be wrong to be angry at somebody Either because of a misunderstanding Or because you're taking something out on them Obviously Right, we all know that If they don't understand what they did To make you angry That doesn't You can't just lash out at them I mean would it I mean does anybody disagree with that It's obvious, right I agree I agree with that All right Well, let's continue on Yeah, let's move on from there And yeah, once again Try to keep our super chats Related to the topic And not attacks against our speakers But rather the things that they've said Grace, do you believe And this is from Stay curious for five dollars Grace, do you believe Anger is always justified Regardless of if the other person Doesn't understand Oh, I already read that That's what we want Yeah, given it far too much drama I thought I was losing my mind there for a second Yeah, I was gonna say I gave it far too much drama For what it's worth I'm trying to get rid of them as they come Because I got far too many on this This notepad right now You'll notch 517, 499 For each panelist to answer What is your definition of emotional intelligence So emotional intelligence We're gonna try to keep this quick Grace, I'm gonna hand it to you for 30 seconds I would say emotional intelligence is Understanding and being able to control your emotions To a certain degree But also knowing when it's appropriate To express your emotions And not lashing out at people And not modeling things up All right Well, that was less than 30 seconds We'll hand it over to you, Stephen Yeah, I would say it's understanding your emotions And being able to understand other people's emotions So having some level of self-control And then being able to interface and communicate with others All right Over to you, Ben Emotional intelligence, what's that? Yes, the same Just being able to see your emotions In the light of reason and prudence And then to exercise wisdom All right, and to close this out Not so erudite Emotional intelligence Emotional intelligence What do you define that? Everyone summed it Fine enough Yeah Okay I concur All right Let's continue on then All right Good meme New member $25 Canadian Question When Grace was experiencing Uncertain feelings with her dad She went to her discord Maybe to bring it up I don't know what that's all about And there's an extra part to that It's kind of a personal question Do you want me to continue? I mean, sure, go ahead Why did she take a step back to evaluate Instead of talking to her father directly Why is a space there okay? Or why is a space okay there? Sorry, I'm there And all you were talking about Well, sometimes, you know Me and my dad have a relationship We do a lot of YouTube stuff together Sometimes things get tense between us And sometimes it's best to take a break And get some space and think about other things Or ask other people to help you If you're, you know, in a tense situation I would say the position that we are holding Is not that a break is never a good idea That would be a strong man Right But I certainly would I would hope that I wouldn't use taking space As a power move to say like I'm leaving and I'll be back when I'm back Because I actually do help around the house With my siblings and stuff Since my mom isn't here So that would be a power move So I don't think doing stuff like that is okay But taking space is fine Yeah Let's continue on with our super chat then Mr. Cool Dude Mr. Cool Dude You're very cool 203 as well All right, so $10 Ben seems to want to talk about Kyla Way more than Crowder I think they're talking They're bringing up the discussion from the other day So we should move on from that just because We've majoritably tried to ignore that whole discussion But It's nerve-wracking I think Kyla and I are friends I don't, I don't I don't know if I would say that That's okay Well, I'd like for us to be friends But you accuse me of stuff all the time Yeah, it's okay Because you lack maturity It's fine Frenemies, frenemies? Can we call it that? Frenemies, no, I think we're like acquaintances In the same space Well, we have a little bit of chemistry And I'm not suggesting anything beyond just that I think it is definitely nerve-wracking To be around a pretty young lady in the same panel For sure Oh, well, thank you No, I'm kidding All right, let's continue All right, Griffin, $5 Do you think chronically divorced Do you think being chronically divorced Gives you bad opinions Or is that inconsequential to your takes? I'm not sure who that's for, honestly Yeah, I would think people who have been divorced many times Would not be the person you're going to turn to for advice But they also can have a lot of wisdom If they've learned from those things So obviously you don't go to homeless person And ask for stock advice All right, let me turn my mic back on Because I had a vicious cough just now That almost went down the wrong tube All right, let's see $5 from straight shot to the panel Who does Zelda go to if Hyrule is in trouble?  Yeah, that's another personal drill Yeah, I was going to say that seems like a troll comment I was going to say Any of these comments that they don't seem like they make sense We're just going to move on, I'm so sorry I appreciate you guys putting in the super chats You know, that's awesome You can continue putting in super chats But, you know, if they're going to be just trolly comments We're going to just move on So Sausage Lord, $1.99 Welcome to the Orbiters Club, Ben and Grace I'm not sure what that means either I think it's a reference to Destiny There's a contract coming They get workers comp Oh, okay Well, so far we have zero from it All right, well, let's just hope Let's just hope that that's all I'm saying Bad boss, bad paradigm actually Mr. Cool Dude, where are my shades? I'm so sorry $203, $10 How is it personal to ask why Ben heaps quipping at Kyla? Damn He's yeah, it relates to the current debate I'm sorry, I'm a heterosexual man I'm sorry, guilty again All right, let's just leave it at that I'll compliment Destiny I love your blue hair And you seem like a sweetheart Can anyone compliment me for Foxy's? Ryan, you seem like a terrific guy I really love you I'm not supposed to swear Oh God, I'm going to get in trouble Anyways, we I think Grace is doing a great job All right, let's continue on All right, so how is it personal to ask why Mark, $5 Hey Mark, she might be a manipulative a-hole for all we know So might he This debate is void of details Unless you have crowders in the room Do you guys think that's true? To some extent, we're all speculating Yeah Yeah, I think that both Although I know I'll be seen as a scumbag for saying this I think that both Stephen Bannel here and Kyla have been really good about saying That there's just a lot here that speculation And there's a way in which this can be These are real people with real lives And we should at least be aware that we're missing a lot of context But I do think you can take guesses All right Well, let's continue on And we just copy and pasted another Super Chat That was way too big And it messed up my whole note So let me just minimize that Timothy P. Southwick $20 So we're going to give this a little bit of attention It's a big Super Chat What business What business is it of any of y'alls? I feel like he's from somewhere that I live Now that he's saying y'all all the time What do they matter y'all personally That you sit here saying whatever Regardless Whatever Whatever regarding them You said that twice So I'm going to read this again at the end of this Because this is a little confusing and I want to summarize Are y'all personally involved in their situation to be saying anything? So what business is it of any of y'alls? What do they matter to y'all? Personally That you sit here saying whatever whatever regarding them Are y'all personally involved in their situation to be saying anything? I mean the public figures on the internet And now this issue has been made highly public So of course people are going to have opinions about it, right? That's kind of how it goes, yeah? I think especially when an issue, you know, we all Oh, not all of us, but many of us have spouses, you know And so you can see it's like Dr. Phil Can it be helpful sometimes to see a dynamic that Dr. Phil is analyzing? Yeah, it can be I think that I think that Steven Crowder's impetus was not to do this And his wife made it public Should everyone continue to respect his wishes? I don't think that's possible at that point and everyone knows it And it can be fruitful. I think we've had a fruitful discussion. I think you guys have Do you guys feel like your your time spent with this makes you like feel dirty? I think it's okay No, because I I feel like we're treating him more like a Like the situation more like a model. We're not really saying these people We're just saying kind of they're representing a dynamic that we're analyzing to see whether it's abusive or not We're not really making moral judgments on these people themselves because obviously we don't really know Yeah, I think so Any thoughts uh destiny or erudite? Yeah, this is a conduit to explore what we think are healthier unhealthy dynamics. Yeah, exactly an erudite Any thoughts? No, all right, let's continue on then. I won't put you on the spot like that um Do do do Let's scroll on up and if I have to keep scrolling up, I'll have to keep making noises David drew $10 Ben, do you know the difference between bdsm and spousal abuse in the form of domestic violence? Oh, we're gonna have to put it on uh, we're gonna put it on pg14 plus here For this one Ben, do you know the difference between bdsm and spousal abuse in the form of domestic violence? And to you Ben Yes Is that it? Yeah, all right, let's leave it at that then that sounds about good to me We won't get any more into depth justin mead five dollars. I just got here. What's the issue and who are the panel? Well, justin mead we are discussing Uh, whether steven krauter is innocent in this most recent, uh video of him having a discussion with his wife out on the patio so, uh You know, I've got into the mic a little extra for the proximity effect Uh, but that's what we're discussing tonight and that's my super chat So i'm gonna back away and we're gonna keep going Acceleratee two dollars destiny and his sister Uh, really I did well tonight. So you guys have a fan Uh, thank you so much for that Talks in underscore av four dollars un janeva tweeted incest in peace yesterday Um, I'm not sure if that's relevant to what we're talking about. So sorry, but we're gonna continue on Jay for 499 earlier when ben went on his schizophrenic rant about women Yeah, I don't like reading those types of comments But earlier when ben went on his rant about women that like being abused Can he clarify if he was talking about his wife or his daughter? No All right, let's continue on Brian Stevens for five dollars Um, okay, I'll read it. It's a little spicy I I think it's towards the comment that you made earlier there ben But I'll let I'm gonna give you the floor to explain To brian here what you meant. He said this is disgusting behavior.  I put the emphasis on there to show that there's a question mark. So I'll let you explain Ben you know, it's interesting uh, Sean Connery died recently and um He was old school But uh, I think we could all say that he was obviously one seen by women as one of the most Attractive men to ever walk the face of the earth and he he was pretty uh open Uh, and it was partly cultural That about this, you know that there are there are times when that is Is Those things are fine and women do generally understand that to be true, uh, yes, I don't know There there is something about that steven admitted it himself, right and he's no, I did not I did not say that ever I have never said that that is not true Yeah, you did I did not say that women ever like or there is something about a guy that hits a woman that women are enjoying I've never said that you said yes, you did you said I get it I said I understand why women like people that can be physically violent or physically assertive to have the capability to do that That's a lot different than hitting a woman or hitting women. Oh, okay. So you don't think there are any women who in in certain contexts See it in certain contexts doing some really heavy lifting there in certain contexts and like consensual Bedroom related media some things maybe but that's a lot different than somebody that is issuing a correction to a woman No, I don't we all know that's not true. So whatever Okay, well, that's fine. Just don't say I just don't want to be taken to some of the things that you should hit Yeah, okay, but so there's one thing about saying like I won't say this because it's gonna get me in trouble And there's another thing of saying like I actually believe this and so Right, there are things you can't say you've made a lot of references to my platform So I know that you know who I am So I don't know why you would ever accuse me of not saying something because I think it'll get me in trouble Well, I didn't say that I didn't that was the heavily implied by saying I know there are things you can't say I'm gonna say whatever I want. I'm gonna kick that TV. No, you can't you start reading my What do you mean? I can't what do you think I couldn't say if I believed it? Well, you couldn't advocate for the overthrow of the united states I'm pretty sure I yeah, I can what do you mean? You didn't even choose it Okay, try it try it on your stream. Wow. We should overthrow the united states who wants to do january 6 next year What do you mean? Yeah, well, steven. I mean, obviously if you say it like that you're clean But I'm not going to encourage you here to create a situation in which you're committing a federal Felony, but you can do that on your platform if you want to okay, thanks So now we're going from unpopular opinion to advocating for crime.  Yeah, you're married, right? Yeah, okay And if you said certain things on your stream Advocating for something that could be used against you if things fall apart I don't know what your situation is But you know you have to be careful as a man Because things will be used against you that you say publicly even though everyone knows they're true So that could be true of women too, but it's more true of men.  Okay. Well, now you've made a bunch of assumptions Share that opinion No, we will mute everybody if you we get into this We've had a pretty good amicable discussion. There's gonna be none of that lost. It's not my fault We're not gonna have any of this. I'm gonna say that right now So if I don't want to indiscriminately start muting people So we're gonna try to keep our comments related to the discussion and not our speakers That is our last warning for that. So Good meme new member for five dollars and fifty cents Can a wife ever hit her husband to snap him out of it in quotation Is it okay for him to retaliate if she does same question reverse roles? Yes, absolutely. Any comment from the other side? You shouldn't be hitting your partner. This is not a good way. It's just never a healthy way to like result Yeah, I'm sorry. I give your opinion because I'm sure we disagree on this Oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah only yeah, yeah Women can abuse men on unequivocally at any level as much as they would like and that's based And it's part of the revolution But men must be swikuck losers to take all forms of any sort of physical or emotional interaction from women, of course That does sound like your philosophy Yeah, I reject the premise of both of the these questions. No, there's no good reason to hit your spouse To reset them or wake them up, you know, you don't need to press reset What about children? Do you ever hit children? I think there are times where a physical correction can be issued if you're in a public area It's like a dire situation or whatever For instance, say you're in church or you're in like a store or whatever and a kid is being incredibly crazy or whatever you're using I think that there are times that it's probably understandable But like in the household almost never Delayed punishment. I think is sociopathic. So never like when we get home. I'm gonna do this to you I think it's insane But I would say that like do you think there's leeway in that like different people could have different views or is it like Different people can have different different cultures. I don't that's what a meaningless question Well, different views about things, but okay, so do you think there's no like there's there's no like sort of spectrum Different cultural approaches different cultures. Yeah, there's tons of different cultural approaches. I probably disagree with a lot of them I don't think that no I'm pretty sure that it like the reasons are just pretty So only your philosophy is so there's no okay, so it's we all have to absolutely agree with you I'm sure there are cultures that disagree on rape, but yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say Well, let's say the entire continent of Africa disagrees with you. So they're wrong. Is that I would say yeah, they're wrong True, I would say I'd be very brave and that's not in that position. Yeah, and that's not problematic for you as Wouldn't it be the different cultures need different levels of discipline with their kids? No, I think we're all roughly come from the same genetic stock. I'm saying biological foundation. We all roughly work the same way Okay, so you impose your Ideals on the entire rest of the world. I didn't say I impose my ideals on but I might judge them by my ideals I think I'm within my rights to do that Well, the vast majority of civilizations throughout history have Had a degree to which that's seen as normal The vast majority of civilizations throughout history also practiced war capturing women raping them and had some form of slavery Right as does ours I don't think what we generally approve of raping women anymore. I don't think we generally do the chattel slavery and neither did they Okay, you I okay base. Do you know the origin of honeymoon? Uh-oh, is this the premium an octo thing the king thing? No, it's the like the original like Viking honeymoon The leader goes in first, right?  You don't have a great grasp of history There are I'm not saying that the past is perfect But you guys seem to think we're so far ahead in progress That we can just mock everything which came before us and that is highly immature That's how we approach history. I I would say that. Yeah, there are a lot of people I would mock people that thought it was okay to own slaves I would mock people that thought it was okay to do programs against jewish people Yeah, there are a lot of people in history. I would say I'm glad we've made progress away from a lot of things We've done in the past. Yeah, I would say and the and your pro your idea of progress is that men and women In their marriage have sex with random people whenever they want to that's progress that could be questions True. That's good. Ask questions What would you like to know? I have asked you questions about it doesn't make any sense Let's continue on because it's uh, not incredibly Relevant to what we're talking about tonight or Ryan And no, it's fine. I was gonna say It we have moved on from that topic. It seems but this is good Same cloth two dollars grace. Can you define a healthy relationship? Ah I would say we're like romantically If two people love each other want the best for each other can communicate and you know that can take different forms I mean doesn't everybody I mean, I don't know I feel like that's a very broad question Healthy communication. I completely disagree. You disagree. Yeah Uh-oh, okay Good. Well, it's oriented towards sex Well, he said you described a friendship. Oh, well, he said relationship. I wasn't sure I guess I did say romantically. It is a it is a friendship which also involves uniquely Sex and therefore children and all the rest so whatever Yeah, I mean, I agree within marriage. It just said it said relationship. I don't know Well, even a relationship even a romantic relationship is oriented towards that right Yeah, well, I don't know if you disagree. What does sex have to do with whether the relationship is healthy or not? You mean a sexual relationship.  Yeah, people are asking. What is a healthy relationship? What is that being healthy? Yeah, so yeah, like is that like your primary marker that what people are fucking or what is the I'm trying to figure what your plug into that was they because I thought the don't know question Uh, ryan can remind us wasn't the don't know question like what makes for a healthy relationship That's pretty much the entirety of it. Yeah So is it just if they're having sex or What depends on what you mean by relationship? Yeah, they just said relationship Yeah, I was just saying can you define a healthy relationship? So Well, since everybody's got had a chance to speak, we'll let steven finish up and then we'll put it over to Not so erudite to uh Well, I want yeah, I wanted to hear ben and grace's answer. I'm curious I I understand that just we've everybody's got a chance to talk. So I'll let you finish what you Steven would define as a healthy relationship We'll let erudite define that and then we'll kick it back over to the other side and we'll keep the conversation moving I'll say probably the one where you don't feel they need to issue physical corrections to your partner snark All right, and not so erudite. I agree with grace. I think grace did a good job of defining a healthy relationship I Was defining it mostly between I mean, I know I said romantic but when I was thinking of it I was thinking of like two friends Or like just sex determines if something's healthy or not. I think Everything you defined is what's going to be healthy between a man and a wife. Yes, it is true that they're also having sex Uh, but what is healthy between two friends is also usually healthy between a man, uh, and his wife Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, I believe that It's primarily a friendship, but it has obviously a different element Like the hitting the person if they're wrong part. Oh, Stephen. Will you stop you're just obviously giving yourself more l He's sulking. He's you know, they said orbiters. Stephen.  Don't go flying out of the solar system guys All right Well before we get into any cosmic speak because uh, you know, that's that's the name of my band One of my bands It's cosmic breach But the main band I've been playing in is light and shade But I don't want to get too pluggy even though I've done that before because I'm a big blood zeppelin fan and I love singing Uh, but we're gonna tin you on and I'm gonna let the live chat know Uh that we are going to wrap things up pretty soon Uh simply because we have been almost going we've been going for three and a half hours. Um We only have a few super chats left. I mean, I I don't know if everybody's good to keep Having the conversation if we have more super chats coming in Uh, I'm okay for a little while more. This is a fascinating conversation to me All right, if everybody's having fun as far as our panel is concerned, you know, it's it's 12 36 here My kids are in bed. My wife is You know sleeping elsewhere because she's awesome and allows me to do this type of thing You know, I should say that because uh, you know She'd rather be here in the the bedroom, but you can't see it because uh, I've got this new fancy background That's great. I thought you were 12 years old. Oh Excellent. I was going to say you thought that but I was going to say I'm I'm soon going to be 30 and I've really You look young. Well, thank you. I appreciate that Uh, but yeah, let's continue on and uh once again in the super chat you want to keep this going Keep the chats coming in. Uh, we've only got so much to talk about so if there's something you think are You know, our chatters have missed Let's get it in that super chat and let's get it fleshed out cookie bluster Well, that sounds a little aggressive in itself 10 dollars for ben thorp How is hillary situation being covered from leaving home? No different than when ben's a physical attempt to coerce his son Who was on crutches? This is another one of these. Yeah, as I say this Go ahead if people want to hear it. It's fine Yeah, I mean, you know, if if this is something that people are talking about in your space I mean, it might give you a chance to kind of talk about it, but I we can just skip it if you want Well, destiny's talking about it in his space as well Did you want to go ahead? Do you want to talk about this and kind of help with the super chat? Uh, sure But I don't know what the question was. How's it different than something else? My son something about being coerced from leaving home Well, hillary wasn't coerced Yeah, let's just leave it at that point because I I don't want this to get personal once again Yeah, it's fine. I just don't think your audience is going to be that interested But they may be I don't know destiny's blowing us up You can talk about anything you want to right now But as I say if it's if it's something that the if you think that I was to say Obviously the super chatter was kind of leaning into I think maybe I mean, I haven't seen too much content from either side, but if that's something that you you'd have to know You'd have to know a fair amount of lore Forget it. All right. I like that I like that. Well, that's that's a great way of phrasing it Well, if you want to talk about it, we can if we want to move on we can do that as well I didn't even catch the question. I mean, I'd be inclined to just move on but Yeah, let's do that Uh, do do do Oh, let's see here. So Uh, ivory Uh, we're gonna move on from that one as well. Once again, let's let's try to keep it keep it civil everybody If I can take a minute if I can take a minute in in order like so that I don't seem like I'm obfuscating You're welcome to come to my channel, which is Ben Thorpe without an e and I have a k a abel abel And I also have a discord That's called the same right grace Ben Thorpe a k abel grace has her own channel grace. They thorp a k a jone And she has a discord grace thorp Is that right a k a jone gracey it's it's in my about Okay, and you're welcome to contact us. I think we're in the descriptions below her mother also has a disc uh, uh channel called Thorpe a tokos and A discord and her brother has a discord also So you can contact us and we're happy to answer these sorts of questions And we are also streamers. So well, uh, yeah, we will definitely, uh Definitely let you plug that and uh with that being said, uh, not so erudite. Where can everybody find you? Uh, since we aren't at our closing statements quite yet, but uh, you know Where ben just took that opportunity to tell everybody where he's at. Can you tell us where everybody can find you? Um, uh Damn i'm in such snark mode Um It's okay. Be starky about it. I was gonna say in your mom's bedroom. Uh, where you'll have to find me is Uh, youtube kick, uh twitter kind of all the basics. Uh, not so erudite. Uh, that's spelt erudite And it's all one word So if you like if you like spicy debates and, uh Bass takes come on over All right, and uh, what about you steven Uh youtube.com slash destiny instagram.com slash destiny All right, excellent. I think everybody's been, uh, But properly plugged there. What about you grace thorp? Do you have a separate channel of your own as well? Yeah, it's uh, it's grace thorp ak joan. I I stream a lot. I have panels and stuff I rate do reactions and dances and stuff like that. It's a lot of fun. We're also while we're plugging We're going to have a post debate debate on the tom foolery show to which everyone's welcome and we have sort of, uh Well, i'm not going to say definitely Secured, uh, milo yinopoulos as a debater, but we're going to rehash this in a three-way debate positive neutral and negative after this debate if we don't die of exhaustion Yeah, so tom foolery show on youtube. Yeah All right, excellent and uh to the live chat if an I've seen a couple people or maybe it's the same person asking why i'm not reading certain super chats is because they're just, uh, You know insulting things to the people that came out here to speak tonight And we appreciate everybody who came out here to speak tonight regardless of whether you agree with them So, uh, you know, I warned you of that at the beginning So we appreciate anybody who puts money into a super chat, but if it's a tax against our speakers That's that's that's for you. All right, let's continue on so We're happy with the tax just long complicated questions about lore are difficult Something like that, right Grace what do you define as red flags in a romantic relationship that's from same cloth for five dollars And she just left. Oh, she just left. Can we hold it? Oh, well, well, we'll just wait for her to come back and we'll ask, uh, a different question It seems like most of our questions are To both of you. So maybe we should wait till he's coming right back. He just got my one It's all good For ben Thorpe $10 from cookie blunsta How is hillary's situation? Good question My bad did i'm oh, sorry I asked about red flags red flags What are what what are red flags for you? um red flags In a relationship is what the question was I would say if somebody is lying to you if they're hiding things if they Uh, don't really want to talk if they get distant if they Lash out at you when something else is wrong in their life that kind of stuff pretty basic And uh, the next super chair that we had is for ben Thorpe. How is hillary's situation? Is that a question how is hillary's situation that's for ben. Yeah, how is that a question serious question? I think so. What is it? That's not a full sentence. You're missing words. How is hillary's situation? I I think they're trying to get you guys to fill in the gaps there, but we can just move on if uh, If that's lacking too much context It's just incomprehensible Is not good Is much sad Not good is much sad. All right. Well, let's continue on from there Uh Let's see five dollars Everyone head to the samos channel Uh, yeah, we won't read the rest of that once again people keep it civil Uh in the live chat 11 dollars from nina ben and grace in the herd slash depth trial Dept testified that he'd removed himself from fights before those got physical in order to de-escalate the situation Was he being abusive by doing that? um No No But I would yeah, I mean there's a difference between removing I would say if your fights are getting to the point where they're going to get physical between a man and a woman the relationship is Almost guaranteed to be over like it aids if it's going to get violent But yeah, you should remove yourself before it gets to that point. I would say That's different than removing yourself because you don't like the conversation anymore Or because you feel cornered or you want to use it as a power move, but of course the context matters All right excellent, and I've I've rechecked the super chat and doesn't look like it's uh two pointed here It's just uh relating to the situation Uh about uh domestic abuse I think so ivory for five dollars Grace is it a good idea for a family member to stay with an aggressive family member if they threaten to put a fist through the family member's head um I uh, I know what they're referring to uh depends if they're joking around or if it's serious if it's serious then no That person sounds violent Okay. All right. Let's uh continue on there. Um Um Stay curious Can we go back to talking about ohama beach jk? Uh, I'm not sure what you're talking about if you're talking about my my shirt there. I don't know I brought up omaha beach, uh, which is the the landing of the Allied forces in france. Okay. I was gonna say I thought they might be talking about my cosmic breach shirt I was gonna say if you want to elaborate on that you can go ahead, but they did put Why don't they were just kidding? Yeah, they did put just kidding so we can continue on I underscore I'm um date mike Uh, is the name of the super chatter ten dollars to the thorps thoughts on my bratty sis and channels like that My bratty sis. Yeah Has anybody seen that or I'm not sure what that is It's a porn site.  Well Thanks for that. I was gonna say that that that might expose me. I do have a point about that. You mean that's and let's that's about incest Yes, oh, okay So, I don't know. I don't know the background here, but steven you've talked about this issue I think am I is that a troll that told me that? No, I love talking about incest Okay, so and and you're just saying like seriously Right, like it's an interesting topic or is that a joke? It's an interesting topic. Yeah, okay and I do think that the fascination because that's a very uh What is it like that's a very popular category on You know and within porn and I think that uh, covet had something to do with Intensifying that I think it's interesting. I'd love to have a talk with you about it sometime and I you know I understand the implication but I do think it's it's interesting Okay Now that you're an orbiter Yeah a four bidder All right, so where we are at the end of our super chats Unless we get anything last minute We are going to close out so for closing statements We are going to do a minute for each of our panelists here Where we've gone through all of our super chats um I would say where we are right now. We should start with grace We'll let you start with your one minute closing Okay Okay, um What we came here tonight to debate uh is whether Steven Crowder is innocent. I believe of being called abusive or an abuser um, I think our opposition essentially Brought up that he was controlling which we proved he was not that he was unwilling to work together with her Which he actually was the one who wanted to have the conversation with her and she was the one leaving and disengaging That his tone was derisive and they gave for examples that you know Telling her that the only way out of this bad situation was disciplined respect was derisive when in fact that's perfectly fine to say to somebody especially if they are failing you um They said that he was spiteful by telling her things that she was failing at which is it's not spiteful it's just a harsh honesty harsh truth which you owe to your partner sometimes and uh You know, I don't think they would say he is an abuse.  Maybe it's not her fault But you are being publicly attacked on the deepest level. She's trying to wreck you and uh I think you need some feminine support in your life. So let me know Uh, yeah closing remarks every day Yep, sorry, uh my position is the same I think three minutes is a woefully insufficient to make Many claims about the nature and dynamic of these two people's relationship I think it's also important to point out that nobody actually cares about these two and their relationship It's just a talking point. Um I think in this video Steven Crowder looks bad The problem is that that might be the purpose in the video probably is to some degree Issue is just because it might be the purpose and release in the video It doesn't mean that Steven Crowder wasn't awful in his relationship. The problem is there's So much necessary required context It is hard to know everything and there's a lot of ambiguous statements made between the both of them that nobody has context for Um, I think it is better to probably wait for uh, the divorce trial to go forward Um, if more things get released publicly, you'll be able to weigh in more clearly But at this point we have a three minute video, uh, which is woefully insufficient for much The end All right over to you ben I would say uh, that my position on this issue As part of a larger nexus of positions That I would say I would call being a centrist to edgelord as a catholic On the one hand, of course traditional marriage Is a healthy thing one man one woman and their kids. However, especially in our times The reality is that a lot of people for various reasons bring a lot of baggage There's been a breakdown of the family. So a lot of people get into Want want to do the traditional thing and can't actually live it out in our society the church Churches people on the internet need to be Much more open to the possibility that a lot of times people don't necessarily go into this with enough To follow through and I especially appeal to women including grace's mother who is watching at this time to say We do need to find a way without blaming the spouse for For there to be a resolution and there can be a resolution It can be okay to get over your head To find yourself in a situation that's overwhelming and you can't just walk away and blame the other person And uh, there needs to be much more healing. I think divorce is a terrible curse Um, and I don't think we need to do it So and also Steven Crowder give you a call. All right. Let's uh kick it over to destiny to close this out for one minute Yeah, I mean I I think the the behavior was clearly abusive I think that our two interlocutors here have a pretty insane standard for what they would consider abuse Um, I would say you have the right to walk away from any conflict I didn't get enough time if you're like you are emotionally dysregulated or your partner is emotionally dysregulated And anytime you find yourself in the presence of somebody else that is constantly making you feel uncomfortable constantly making you second guess Whether you are feeling okay or not and is constantly forcing you to Take their aggressive behavior and reframe it in a way that makes you okay with it Even though you're not I think is a surefire sign that we are probably Within some type of dynamic that you not only can take a break from if you need to but you have every right to take a right from so I uh, I think that I didn't hear any adequate reasons given why it was so evil for Hillary to say she wanted to take a step back other than to Uh, constantly pontificate about some situations related to Crowder and his wife giving up Uh, that we were never really given any more information about All right, you guys heard it here first. Uh, right is Steven Crowder innocent. This is our debate on modern day debate Thank you grace Thorpe bent Thorpe not so erudite and destiny for being here Everybody in live chat. Thanks for hanging out and for your super chats We will be back And once again, thank you all for attending this debate and uh, have a good night everybody Hey y'all go to bed


This is stock number 10457. We are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, your new and used Jeep and Jeep Wrangler headquarters. Today we are checking out this super clean 2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara. This vehicle has the award-winning 3.6-liter Pentastar V6 motor and from this HD video you will be able to tell that this Jeep is extremely clean all the way around. Inside and out bright white is the color. We shoot all of our videos in 1080p 60 frames per second so if you have HD capabilities on your computer tablet or smartphone device turn them on right now because it is like you're right here looking at the Jeep with me and definitely your best way to check out the vehicle quality and condition wise before seeing it in person. As factory stepbars if you want to check out more photos of this Jeep in the upper right hand part of your screen as they link right to our website so click that and check us out there. Comes with the fuel, painted and polished aluminum rims, BF Goodrich All Terrain LT305 65R 18s with about 60% of the tread left on the front tires here. Frame and underbody is extremely clean. Comes with some heavy-duty metal bumpers here and a custom front grille. Pastner side fender is in really nice condition. Didn't see any dents, stings, scuffs or scrapes on that and the passenger side rim is in excellent shape as well. As you go down this side of the Jeep you can see just how clean the body is, how reflective and mirror-like that paint is. We take these HD videos so if you are far away or even if you're close behind just cannot make the trip down but you're still interested in purchasing the vehicle you can do so from the comfort of your own home with the confidence that you're dealing with the right vehicle and the right people. 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Back storage area you get the case for your front hard top pieces and it does come with some mirrors for when you have all the doors off and stuff and those just go right in your door hinges some pretty cool stuff there and you do get storage underneath here and you also have spots for your door and roof bolts. Four bolts on each side three on the bottom one on the top to get that back hard top piece off and then you got two quick disconnects right here to take that hard top piece off as well. Rear gates in pretty nice condition and that shuts nice and solidly. As you go down this side other vehicle just as clean as that passenger side that hard top's in really nice condition I didn't see any chips or scrapes on it and for full disclosure this back rim is a nice shape too and on the rest of this side very nice and clean. It does come with heated mirrors inside the Sahara package gives you the black leather interior with the white stitching you get the Sahara stitched into the backrest and these seats are in really nice condition I didn't see any rips or tears you do get some all-weather jeep floor mats and factory floor mats underneath those as we hop inside the vehicle here you can see that this one has 42,762 miles comes with an outside temperature and compass display on the left you get the leather wrapped steering wheel really nice condition I didn't see any scuffs or scrapes on that cruise controls on the right Bluetooth and information center controls on the left and then audio controls on the back this one comes with the 430N radio which gives you AMFM and Sirius XM radio capabilities as well as the factory navigation system this one also has a 28 gigabit hard drive in it so that you can store music and pictures on there power windows climate control there are your heated seat buttons your stability control your downhill assist control and of course your hazard lights five-speed automatic transmission with the 4x4 shifter on the floor you get that all-weather jeep floor mat on the passenger side as well and the passenger side seat is in excellent condition this vehicle has never been smoked in the front hard top pieces are in nice shape as well and we'll take a quick look at the back seats and then we'll check out under the hood the back seats are just as clean as the front seats no rips or tears back here it does have the latch child safety system for all your child car seat needs and it does come with factory floor mats back here too these seats do fold down like I said and they go down almost completely flat which is a really nice feature if you get a haul a bunch of extra stuff and you do get child safety locks on the back doors as well we'll take a quick look under the hood I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today and I hope from this HD video you will have been able to tell just how clean this jeep is all the way around inside and out under the hood like I said we have the award-winning 3.6 liter pentastar v6 motor engine base very clean runs very smooth this jeep has been fully safe and inspected by our service shop has a fresh oil and filter change all the fluids have been checked and topped off the vehicle has been gone through mechanically 100% and is 100% ready to go I'd highly recommend it from a quality and condition standpoint and to see more pictures of this jeep or one of our other 450 new and used cars trucks SUVs minivans wranglers you name it we got to go to our website www.summitauto.com full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations all at summit auto.com if you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summit auto remember to like subscribe and share on this video and all the videos that you see there in fact in a second you will see a link to subscribe to our youtube channel on your left a link to more jeep wrangler videos like this one on your right if you have not been to our website on the bottom link to this vehicle on our website click those check us out and we're super excited to help you with super clean 2015 jeep wrangler unlimited sahara edition thanks again