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Thanks, Gary, two people were arrested after a traffic stop led to a large methamphetamine bust in Pikeville. According to court documents, 42-year-old Karen Spears, also known as Karen Wallace of Pikeville, and 28-year-old Christopher Wireman of Gunlock, were arrested at 5-4 in Pikeville earlier this week. Court documents said Pikeville police executed a traffic stop on Spears' vehicle after receiving information the vehicle was used to pick up crystal meth in Louisville to be brought back to Pike County for distribution. Court documents said a search of the vehicle yielded the discovery of 56 grams of crystal meth, along with other drugs including ecstasy. Spears was charged with first-degree trafficking in a controlled substance and other drug charges, while Wireman was charged with second-defense trafficking in a controlled substance in the first degree, carrying a concealed deadly weapon and other drug charges. Both remain lodged in the Pike County Detention Center. Gary?


All right, welcome back everyone after lunch to a series of three Crisp short lightning talks Our first speaker is Mario's flood Who will talk about the AGL Wayland compositor? Take it away. Hello. Hi everyone Thanks for attending this talk. So today I'm gonna talk about the AGL compositor, which is the Wayland compositor we're using in the AGL project First of all a few words about myself on parts of the graphic part of the graphics team at Colabra I work on the Western compositor and I'm the AGL compositor maintainer So I'm gonna touch three points today about well and ecosystem try to provide some kind of sort of a common ground in terms of terminology and and Provide some kind of a side-by-side comparison or with X Components and yeah notions talk about a bit about the IVI shell and Well the requirements that we have in IVI and auto in automotive and finally about the AGL Wayland compositor and how we implement those requirements and Yeah, it's particularities So Western itself, it's just a protocol. It's just a specification It works locally over a unique socket whereas the XCOR protocol well the closest you can think of naturally works over the network a server implementation of the Wayland protocol is a Wayland compositor and You can think similar to that as a X server which has a built-in compositing manager We also have the notion of a shell. So this defines how the user interacts with the UI and similar to that to X We have this well this big desktop environments like kitty like gnome Well, these are like different types of the same desktop shell in the Western project. We also have a Desktop shell using the same the same name Next also we have something called window managers, which is more familiar to people coming from X. So multiple implementation of the same interface is Well, we can think as a window manager now all Wayland protocols are made of of interfaces and if you have like an implementation for that interface and Here's an example with Wayland's shell, which is a deprecated interface in the Wayland protocol in the EEG shell We also have something called well of protocols, which is a big repository of well other Wayland protocols The aim is to standardize different kind of operations The examples big examples here are the XDDG shell, which is basically the defect of protocol for desktop clients and Linux DMA buff. Well, there are many more protocols here rather than but these are like the biggest ones I can well add it here if you are like a Wayland compositor and you like to have like this big huge use base you would like to implement as many protocol as you might find here and Finally, we have something called compositor private extensions So these private extensions are locally just to the compositor In Western for instance, we use these private extensions to implement this GPU bypass and debugging and screenshoting One thing that I would like to note here is that between X and Wayland there is like a change of paradigm So whereas in X we basically have Well applications and tools basically split into different projects in Wayland we try to aggregate them into a well Commonplace. I'm not saying this is bad or wrong. It's just it's different and requires to well accommodate with this idea right, so Fast to IVI shell so obviously in automotive industry We have different requirements that we would have in on the desktop. Basically. We don't have any user interaction window positioning spanning and dragging and well UI wise you can think as something like a tiling window manager with customizable well window placement basically Furthermore, we have something of policy You would like to well hide or show different kind of windows and different well events and conditions like when you're Putting the car in reverse. You would like to show the rear camera Now as far as I know Well IVI shell itself was well The specification themselves was an effort that by well former Geneva Alliance now called Covisa Itself IVI shell is a private extension inside the Western compositor based of multiple components Still retains the idea that we have basically different projects and processes scattered in the different places and Yeah, our clients will need to have an implementation for that IVI shell A component here import important in IVI shell is a controller Basically which acts as a window manager It's the one that manages layouts and window positioning any OEMs or company private entity that we like to well Make up for your infotainment system with would need to implement its own controller in the Western project We have one for example that you can use to well implement your own controller It's called the HMI controller and one thing that I've added here all surfaces Are basically identifiable using an integer number Now not everything is doom and gloom with IVI shell some recent efforts Made it so it can also display desktop clients So clients that can run normally on the desktop would also be able to to run on the IVI shell And I personally seen a lot of changes Coming in them landing into the the Western project to be able to well improve the IVI shell overall but the the matter still remains that we have maintenance for multiple components and dependences associated it and I believe it's still the departure from the well well and compositor paradigm and This is where the HL well and compositor well steps in and the first question that you might well pose yourself is Wouldn't be like a bigger issue to actually write a compositor rather than just provide your own controller, but Well in truthness It's far more simpler. We basically share a lot of code with Western We went through this fitness process where we have less components and in the same time less maintenance and It's customizable to an entirely different degree because you basically own the entire hashtag rather than just one component Just as Western The HL compositor is a user of the library LibWestern So you take LibWestern you slap some startup code and you have the well and compositor All the way HL and AVI functionality is provided by two extensions. Well one now One of them is implemented. It's a HMI Client side protocol all other window management functionality happens with the help of gRPC proxy In terms of clients all the took its implement that exdg shell protocol that I mentioned earlier and For application identification. We don't use a number. We use the application ID Which is a string and comes in with the exdg shell protocol This diagram shows how the compositor stacks together different Surfaces with the help of those private extensions on the left. You would see the HMI client That if capable of managing multiple window surfaces at the same time it can do so On the center you see Multiple applications stack together and how that happens and on the right You we have like a free-floating Window that we can place on different position on a different output Alternatively we have another way of letting the HMI clients Use their own surfaces or manage their own surfaces rather than just Having well multiple surfaces. They can basically designate a certain area. They would like to display all the other Clients and we have like in that private extension. We have this request which allows you to customize that That's it. Thanks


Then the, I'm sorry, vocational training, Mr. Kendall Kodra, deputy permanent secretary, specially invited guests, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to welcome you all to the official opening of our days of activity as we celebrate World Creativity and Innovation Day. You have taken the time to be here and we just want to thank you to give you your first presentation or your first set of remarks. I would like to call the lady who is at the helm of leading the Department of Innovation, none other than Ms. Lennel Mauser, who will give you some more information on what this glorious day is all about. Ladies and gentlemen, help me welcome Ms. Lennel Mauser to the podium. Thank you, Madam Mistress of Ceremonies. Salutations to dignitaries in our midst. I open with a testimonial today that dreams do come true. Happy Creativity and Innovation Day. And welcome to our first ever national symposium on creativity and innovation. I am thrilled that I've brought to fruition this event that recognizes the catalytic power of creativity and innovation, a driver of economies today. Globally, we share the theme for 2023, step out and innovate. The theme encourages us to step out, to take that risk, to think beyond our limitations, to embrace challenges as opportunities and call to action that time is now. Step out and innovate is a call to action to leave your comfort zone and embrace the unknown and explore uncharted territories, to be open thinkers and to think outside the box. By the way, is there really a box? And so the Department of Education, Innovation and Vocational Training has done just that today. We have stepped out, out of our offices, out of the tradition and conventions of symposiums, and we have stepped out to highlight the contributions of our creatives and innovators in St. Lucia. We thought it was a risk, but what if it works? And as you can see, it has. And if this is the mindset that we wish for all St. Lucia's to assume, then St. Lucia will be a better place seeing greater levels of innovation. To acknowledge the risk of any entrepreneurial, social or personal venture, one must allow that window for what if it works? To override the apprehension and the inhibitions that pervade us. This call is open to everyone because creativity and innovation transcends all ages, ethnicities, and color. We are one, and coincidentally, in the context of St. Lucia, it brings the two colors together. If you know what I mean. Making us orange. We see today's activity as a historic marker, a first of our creation for world creativity and innovation day, also marking another gain in the decade of research and innovation, and an action for public good, advancing the ninth sustainable development goal, industry, innovation, and infrastructure. At the heart of innovation is creativity, and though views on creativity may differ, there's no question that the fulcrum of innovation is the ability to generate one's idea, which is critical to forming new businesses, encouraging business growth, staying ahead of the competitive curve, adapting to change in the local and global market, and solving complex problems, least we succumb to them. But creativity goes beyond work and business. It promotes human capacity building. It fosters pride, builds communities, galvanizes our value, and nurtures our confidence as a people. So how can we step out and innovate? Firstly, embrace a different way of thinking. One that promotes a mindset that sees solutions and not problems. A mindset that embraces diversity, inclusivity, and empowers people to want more and to do more. Being ordinary no longer cuts it. There's one question that innovation thrives on. How can we bring people ideas and concepts together to form one, one novel, one new, one phenomenal? Therefore it is imperative that we create environments where everyone feels valued, where they can converge for common good, and be encouraged to contribute to our society without fear of reprisal. I strongly believe that this tiny island nation of ours, which has produced two Nobel laureates, has the capacity to build strong, sustainable, and innovative. Our culture, skills, tenacity, and experiences all speak to the characteristics of innovative people, but it is not sufficient to have these characteristics only. We need to cultivate a growth mindset that challenges the status quo and develops an appetite for risk. Together with the hankering and passion of knowledge, we need to be willing to create new knowledge. We need to engage in research. St. Lucien must develop a tolerance for failure in the workplace and in schools. What is the difference? What is the real difference between a check mark and an X? And how does it make our children feel? Because failure is our biggest teacher. It tells us when to pivot and how to pivot and how to come back stronger. I see St. Lucia as a future, with future leaders in innovation, but it is important that we not only adopt, explore, and exploit new technologies, but we need to integrate them throughout our lifestyles. It's not sufficient to just use technology now, but we must create it too. It has the power to change the way we work, the way we live, and our existence. Technology is our new best friend. The Department of Education, Innovation, and Vocational Training is committed to its mandate to continue to teach our nation to fish in sustainable agriculture, culinary, and entrepreneurial services, construction and heritage, art and media design, and in the area of engineering and technology. The commitment of the government to the future of our country through these initiatives is to support the youth economy, agency, and other enterprises that are engaged in incubators. So to provide the tools, the line, the hook, the fishing rod, and the Magellan by innovator, Mr. and Mrs. Callis-Nuel is a full step, and the task at hand for every St. Lucian, and the responsibility for us all is to pick up those tools, apply the skills, and innovate. In closing, I say to St. Lucians and others around the world who have been inspired and so moved to action. You have all you need to succeed within you. Even when others don't share that vision, you have it all. It is right here within you. So continue to persevere. It's your time now to step out and innovate. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you very much, Ms. Malze for leading that charge. Step out and innovate. Right now we have our next speaker, and this speaker is somebody who is no stranger to us. Someone who was willing to step out and innovate. Oftentimes we think of creativity, we think of innovation, and we think of new ideas. But sometimes it's just getting a new approach, redesigning, and this lady was someone who brought our Creole language to Parliament. This is a fellow creative. I don't know how many of you knew, but Dimple herself is actually a performer, so a creative in our mix. So she had to be part of this celebration today, a celebration of creativity and innovation. Ladies and gentlemen, help me welcome a lady of firsts, our Governor General Emeritus, Dame Perlett-Louise. A lot of proceedings, a lot of proceedings, and thank you for this exciting introduction. Well, yes, I'm a performer, but we are good performers and bad performers. So at the end, you and I decide which one of them I am. Four years ago, a call went out from the Cendrisha chapter of the Global Environmental Fund Small Grants Project, what we know as Jeff S.G.P. For government to declare 2019 to 2029 as our decade of innovation and research under the theme unleashing our creativity, crafting our destiny. So this year marks the midpoint of that decade, and I am pleased that we are marking this milestone by convening this National Symposium on creativity and innovation, which will help craft a policy which will inform the integration of research and innovation into sustainable development processes here in Cendrisha. I am happy to note that we are not starting from scratch, that we didn't wait for the declaration of the decade of research and innovation to start doing what we needed to do. Over the years, Cendrisha has produced inventors, innovators, creators, pioneers, as they sought solutions to problems, both at home and in the wider international community. Everyone in Cendrisha knows about two Nobel laureates. That's a given. And in fact, Arthur Lewis has been called the father of development economics in the sense that he took a different view of development of economics, but particularly of economics in developing states. But while everybody knows about the two Nobel laureates, there are perhaps not many know, for example, Pary Husbands Jr. from High Street Castries, who is now a leader in supercomputers in the USA, with several patents named after him. A Dr. Kato Lawrinson with family roots in Marchion, who is known globally as the father of regenerative engineering. What that means is that Dr. Lawrinson has developed a process where you can grow limbs, not prosthetic limbs, but actual flesh and blood limbs. So that's what is referred to as regenerative engineering. And then we have a Dr. Nikaya Dall from Grossely. I think some of us know the Dall's from Grossely. There are quite a few doctors among the Dall's. And Dr. Dall's latest innovation, which he calls Nanoflex, is a new test to identify infectious diseases in 15 minutes, not two weeks when it goes over there and decide what it is that you're suffering from. In 15 minutes, his Nanoflex should be able to identify whatever infection we may have contracted. Then we have a professor, Audrey Henry Lee from Riverside Road, Castries, who has done outstanding work in social policy as director of the South Lewis Institute for Social and Economic Studies at UWI Mona Campus. Then we have, and we just heard his name mentioned a while ago, a Kallis Noel, a young fisherman from La Bre, who incidentally made it as far as from three at the secondary school and then felt that he was not challenged and motivated enough and so sought challenges elsewhere. But he has invented what he calls a life cube, which is a solar-powered desalination plant. And you know how that would come in handy.  And this machine is now being used in Noru, an island in the Pacific Ocean. In fact, they heard about Kallis's invention and they ordered. And so I think two years ago, the life cube made its way from St. Lucia, from the port to Noru in the South Pacific. And right now, Kallis is currently working on a smart fish aggregating device, what we call the FADS, a FADS. And I think that's what he also calls the Magellan, which uses satellite technology to provide information in real time. Then we look at our students who have participated annually in the National Science and Technology Fairs over the years. In that respect, Dr. James Fletcher has lamented the fact that there are many innovative projects coming out of our schools and yet we do not assess them to see which ones are commercially viable, nor do we reward students sufficiently to provide motivation for promoting innovation. Then we have our creatives in the arts and entertainment. And here again, we have been giving insufficient attention to the cultural dimension of sustainable development. It is important that we understand that there exists a deep relationship between culture and economic growth, between an appreciation of the value of popular cultural expressions and national development. And therefore, we have our agriculturists, our agricultural practitioners. We all agree that they require research and innovation. In areas like the development of new species and breeds, the management of pests and diseases, production issues such as irrigation and green housing. In regard, I think instead of having gone forward, we took a step backward a few years ago by decommissioning our Agricultural Research Institute. And we had one particularly focusing on the banana industry and I'm sure you've heard of Dr. Ed C. Edmonds. So now I think an Agricultural Institute has to be one of our main priorities if we are to achieve sustainable food security. So how do we step up? How do we integrate research and innovation into all aspects of sustainable development and create a culture of scientific inquiry which will best prepares for the complex problems of the future? In a recent presentation at a symposium which was organized last year by the St. Lucia Jeff chapter, Professor Audrey Henry Lee, I'm to whom I referred a little while ago, made the following recommendations. She says research and innovation must be about people. It must be inclusive. It must start with everyone if we are to attain sustainable living and development. If we are to step out, we need to do so in style. Not any kind of political baby steps, but style and grandeur as Derek Walcott would say. We are people of style. We are people of large gestures. So the findings of our 2020 symposium on knowledge fair recommend the path we should follow. And some of these recommendations are research and innovation must address basic socioeconomic needs. That is it must be transformational. It must be undertaken in accordance with the highest standards of ethics and rigor. Not just to do something just for the sake of doing something, but something that can stand out there and pass the test of rigor and ethics. It must be participatory. It must be inclusive. It must be systematic. It must be decentralized. It must be integrated in the education system. And that is something that most persons who have spoken about our need for research and information have lamented the fact that we do not start early enough to orient our people in that direction. And what is very important, there must be dedicated budgets approved by government, state agencies, the private sector and educational institutions, particularly at the tertiary level. It's not a question of saying, yes, this is a department of innovation and we have a little line item somewhere and then when the money is asked, well, it's not, I didn't see it on a budget for innovation. No, we have to have approved specific budgets if we are going to make a good thing out of our decade of innovation and research. And the architecture for research and innovation should be there. Now, when I talk of architecture, I'm talking about particular institutions, you know. Right now, we have the Vaughan Allen Lewis Institute, Research Institute, it's better known as Baleary. So there is this institute there, but the governance, the architecture is not, you know, sufficiently robust for us to make a difference. So all these are the recommendations. Is that a tall order? Indeed it is. But let's put aside our traditional reticence, our self-doubt, can we do it? Do we have the personnel, oh, let's just put our best foot forward. Let's not only step out, but as I said, I began, let's do it in style. Let's strut down the creativity, research and innovation catwalk. And let's do it, step out in style.  So we are ready, stepping up in style. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Dame Paulette, Louise, our Governor General Emeritus. And I guess you can see why she was invited to be here. It is said, in fact, I think it's Steve Jobs who says, creativity is about connecting things. And she connected the whole journey in terms of, how many of you are new about some of these St. Lucians? Like usually when we hear about innovation, sometimes we think it's the big country thing, it's the US, but thank you, Dame Paulette, for reminding us that right here in St. Lucia, we have many innovative talents, from Riverside Road, Marsha, Viewfoot, all about that is a lot of national pride. I gained listening to this address and of course we know, with innovation comes the whole idea of our sustainable development goal. And the Ministry of Education, we are not just education, but we are education, sustainable development, science, technology, innovation and vocational training. Now all of that being said, we have a special lady to bring to the podium, the Permanent Secretary for the Department of Education, Innovation and Vocational Training. She's the one who's the lead in the charge and hopefully Dame Paulette, she's the one who's gonna get us the extra funds for the Department of Innovation. Help me welcome, ladies and gentlemen, P.S. Michelle Charles. Thank you very much, Ms. Dorsey. That's rather a tall order I must say. But first let me acknowledge among us some of our very special guests, starting with Dame Paulette Luise, Governor-General Emeritus, our Reverend Kwame Giamfi, our Deputy Permanent Secretary, Mr. Kendall Kodra, Ms. Linnell Mauser, the Director of Innovation, Ms. Beverly Diodone, our Acting Deputy Chief Education Officer, Ms. Giannetti George, EO for Camdou, especially invited guests from the DPS, Ministry of Tourism, Ms. and Margaret Adams, and Ms. Sherilyn Monroe Gustave from the Department of Public Sector Modernization, other heads of departments, staff of the Ministry of Education, the listening public, those who are here in person and those who are listening to us on social media. Welcome and thank you for joining us this morning. I wish to welcome all of you to this, our first Open Air National Creativity and Innovation Symposium, being held and rightly so on World Creativity and Innovation Day. For us at the Department of Education, Innovation and Vocational Training, this presents an awesome opportunity to engage the public on matters relating to innovation and the work of our unit. Today's symposium should appeal to everyone who has an idea that they think can address a gap or solve a problem. It should ignite a burning within persons who think new things and the people who do new things. It should challenge people who think and do new things to monetize their thoughts and their ideas. And for those who believe that they do not fall into either of these categories, an appreciation for the work of others and a support for the endeavors is anticipated. The Department of Innovation has crafted a symposium which will appeal to a broad demographic. There is something here for everyone. Our three panels will discuss matters of interest to the public service, the private sector and the youth. You will listen as our very well-informed panel will be sharing varying perspectives of matters on matters innovation and creativity. But really, why dedicate any time to creativity and innovation? If you really think about it, you would realize that a world without either would be rather boring and homogenous in its drabness. Everything would be the same. Everyone would hold the same views and opinions. No one would challenge the status quo. The notion of thinking outside the box so that there is no box would never exist. However, we're happy that it does. As thinking that there is no box is what allows for the solving of problems through unique solutions. Innovation and creativity are not limited to creating tangible things, but can also be reflected in the re-engineering of processes that facilitate greater efficiencies, thereby saving businesses time and money while increasing profits and customer retention. Innovation is therefore great for business. It should, however, never be seen as an act only to solve the problems of businesses or concept that is driven strictly by the internet or technology. We can be innovative in the simplest of things. You may very well find that while you're looking to solve a personal problem, your solution can also work for many others who experience similar challenges and that's when innovation becomes exciting. The business that has re-engineered its process will not share that strategy with another as it now becomes proprietary knowledge and that gives it a competitive advantage. The individual who has developed a product or service that solves a problem gets the opportunity to monetize this idea and become entrepreneurial in his own right. The theme for World Creativity and Innovation Day, Step Out and Innovate, is really a call to action and that's why we were here in Constitution Park, appealing to our listeners here and outside of this space those listening to us online. The Department of Education Innovation Vocational Training is throwing out a challenge to all of you. We challenge you to identify a problem, create a unique solution, then come and speak to us at the Department of Innovation. Let us assist you and point you in the right direction for commercializing your idea. We work alongside many public and private sector agencies and we can get you the assistance you need. During this symposium, you will get the opportunity to view a few short videos of persons who took the chance, who stepped out and innovated. Some have found solutions to international problems, other solutions in the field of agriculture, in the marine sector, the meteor, and even in tows. Today, we are looking for the next generation of creatives and innovators. And so, I appeal to all of you to get into that orange zone and step out and innovate. I cannot close without placing on record my immense gratitude to Ms. Linnell Mauser, the Director of Innovation and her team for pulling together this significant event. This setup is amazing and the weather is definitely cooperating. My appreciation is also extended to Ms. Delphia Nitrom, the Education Officer of the TVET unit and a creative in her own right for sharing, free of charge, the design which is splashed across our shoots. This is authentically ours. Friends, colleagues, and well-wishers, remember the appeal. The challenge is on. Step out and innovate. Thank you. Thank you very much, PS Charles. Step out and innovate. That's what it's all about. And Albert Einstein said, creativity is intelligence, having fun. Are you intelligent? Do you like to have fun like Miss Nature? Miss Nature, by the way, I'm loving this. I'm loving this. I already see where to go for my next events. I would just like to thank you, PS Charles, for helping organize this and especially I see some young ladies taking advantage of our standing photo booth. You can go right behind it, put your head through the hole and you get a lovely picture. And of course, the only cost to taking out that picture is when you upload it on Facebook, Instagram, all the other social medias, Makone Tut. You put hashtag 758 innovate or hashtag 758 creative. With that, you were told about some video presentations. Now, I want to keep you in a little bit of suspense still. So since I'm to keep you in a little bit of suspense, I am not going to have the video presentation yet. However, we have a young man, a special speaker here. And again, PS spoke about the next generation of innovators. So with that, I don't want to tell you more because I have a special gentleman who's going to come and introduce him. I'd like to introduce Mr. Richard Maxwell, who's one of our ITC officers, Mr. Maxwell, to do the introduction. Help me welcome Mr. Maxwell. Isn't he looking lovely in his orange? If he's looking lovely in the orange and design, clap louder than that. Thank you very much. Mr. Maxwell, take it away. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the National Symposium on Creative and Innovation. This is the first event of its kind and one of that we hope will become a staple in the innovation agenda. Events such as these are hosted globally as part of World Creativity and Innovation Day, which is celebrated officially on April 21st. It is my pleasure to introduce Mr. Dinell Florius who has graciously accepted our invitation to deliver the keynote address. Mr. Florius is a highly accomplished individual in the field of renewable energy and green technology. He's a tenacious career businessman with a passion for renewable energy and green technology. He originates from the Caribbean island of St. Glacier and is a co-founder of a green technology group, energy company called EcoCarib. The company specializes in green energy services and has created a one-stop shop for getting your access to affordable solar electricity through customized online platforms which integrate energy management, solar energy, battery technology, electric vehicle charging and financing systems. To date, the French green technology group operates in seven territories, has developed over 3M of distributed solar electricity systems and runs a public electricity vehicle charging network of 1,000 stations. Dinell is a director at the Alliance for Green Innovation and Technology which is a local association whose mission is to catalyze the adoption of the green economy in St. Glacier. He has a dedicated, he has dedicated of experience, decade sorry, of experience and is recognized both regionally and internationally for making a massive dent in the green energy space. Dinell emerged a winner of the OECS 30 on the 30 in entrepreneurship initiative launched in 2016 to March 2017. His dream is to transition the Caribbean region to a sustainable greener future through green tech innovation. An exemplary young man and a luminary of his time. He has also been invited by the World Bank in Spain as the keynote speaker on creativity and innovation in May 2023. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mr. Dinell Floreus. Thank you. Okay, good day everyone. I would like to adopt the protocol established and I would like to thank you all for being here today and for actually taking a step to making your dreams a reality. I would like to tell you a story, a story about a dreamer. This dreamer went to school in St. Lucia like many of us. They went through the primary level, the secondary level and the tertiary level. While it's going to school, they found their interests. They found that they had a knack for certain areas, certain subjects which really sparked them to move in that direction. As they continued on their journey, they realized that there were certain problems that they constantly faced. There were certain issues that needed solving. They really wanted to make a difference and they were wondering why other people were not solving this issue. So they embarked upon a journey. They picked this problem and they decided to actually make a difference. They spoke to their friends, their family members, their aunts, their uncles, their cousins, their neighbors and asked them, why haven't you tried to solve this problem? What have you done to try to solve this problem? This was their data gathering stage. And at that point, they got certain feedback from these people. With equipped with this feedback, they now wanted to put everything together. They spent many, many sleepless nights analyzing data, going through stacks and stacks of paper, writing ideas out and they came up with a solution. This solution would really make a difference in not just their lives, but the lives of every single member of their community. Now, they ask themselves, what do they need to build out this innovative solution? And by asking themself, what do they need? The question of who do they need popped up as well. In that, they presented their solution to a slew of people and out of these numbers, one person came out and this person actually complimented the first dreamer. And this person became their co-founder. One had now become two. These two dreamers continued the journey. They embarked upon a process of building out their solution, but guess what? They didn't have the money to do so. So to raise money, they spoke to their friends and family members to try to convince them to invest in their crazy idea. Some family members invested, some did not. Some said, yes, I'll get back to you, but never did. But they continued anyway. They used this initial investment to build out the first version of their project, which is called the Minimum Viable Product. And with this MVP for short, they presented it to the slew of people that they spoke to initially to get their feedback again. But at this stage, they needed to build this solution a lot quicker because people had now shown interest and they needed to execute. So they needed to raise more money. They scoured the internet for opportunities, both local and regional, and came across some grants that the government of St. Lucia had available. They applied and they got access to some more money to build out their solution. With this money, they now were equipped to execute on their dream. They continued their journey and they realized that St. Lucia was just one small market in the Caribbean region. And for them to be as sustainable as possible, they wanted to solve this issue for not just St. Lucia's, but people in the Caribbean region and the wider world. But to do so, guess what? They needed more money. So they now reached out to every single person that they could find involving the industry, not just in St. Lucia, but throughout the region around the world. This took them to participate in different events, pitch competitions from Hawaii to Europe, the US, and they met investors, they met mentors, they met people who were interested in supporting this dream and supporting this solution to help it be solved. By measuring what they wanted to achieve, they now knew exactly who in their network to target to really get everything that they needed. They went through the OECS and they happened to forge a relationship with an investor who believed in them. The dream came after, but just because they had taken the initiative to step out, to pursue, and to try to solve something that was very important to their society, the investor believed in them and wrote a check to get them to that next level. Now equipped with money from that investor, they built out their solution and started solving the problem for not just their local community, but the regional market. At this stage, things have scaled. It has gone from one to two dreamers to now a team of over 50 people. This team has grown and this culture of the team has also equipped every single one of them to be a dreamer themselves, because it's not just about you having a vision and driving it to solve a problem. It's about how many lives can you impact? How many lives can you change? How many people can you encourage to also be dreamers and to act on their dreams? This was my story as well. And I went through this process and it was really, really hard. It was not an easy one. It took a lot of patience. It took a lot of sleepless nights. It took a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, literally. But here I stand today, being your keynote speaker at this innovation event. We live in a very special time, a time where we have access to the world from our smartphones. And we have to take full advantage of the technology that we have at our fingertips, because just years ago, the power that you have in your smartphone that you hold in your hand today, it took an entire room. Think of it. Think of an entire 40-foot container to power something that you have in your hand today. You have to take advantage of social media, which these dreamers did. And they looked at social media, not just as something to post to their friends, but something to find opportunities. So they didn't just follow other people's business. They followed the pages that were of interest to them, their industry, and would help them to network with the right people to get this solution off the ground. And by moving forward with this type of initiative, they moved into an innovative solution. Right now, we live in a very special time with the introduction of artificial intelligence. And we live in an age where in the next decade, we will make as much progress as we have made in the past century. And you are now standing at the cusp of history. So it's up to you to decide what innovative project, what solution will you continue to pursue to make a difference in not just your life, but the life of every single person around you and around the world. You are only limited by your mindset. You are only limited by how big you think. Whether you want a $5 million idea, a $100 million idea, or a billion dollar one, the only limitation is your thought. Once you think it, you can achieve it. Elon Musk said that being an entrepreneur is like chewing glass and staring into the abyss. And I know that's kind of dark, but it's the reality. And that is why it is very important for you to love what you are pursuing. Because it's this love and this passion that will keep you going through difficult times, times when people have turned away from you, times when people laugh at you, times when people say, oh, he'll never make it, or she'll never make it. It's this passion and love that keeps you motivated to work through these issues, to work through the problems that you face daily, the highs and lows of business, the highs and lows of dealing with different realms of politicians, or of different people in the marketplace, the stresses that you may will encounter. It's your love and passion, which will... To invent is to design and create from scratch. Meanwhile, innovation is people using their imagination, experience, curiosity, instincts, and relationships to develop and implement ideas that they value. Fortunately, innovation is the fuel of our future. New products, services, and markets. But it isn't just the next best thing. Innovation is about people working within a philosophy of continuous improvement and change. In St. Lucia, some key people stand out who have married ingenuity to commercial viability. Jameson Alfonso is the owner of Greenhaven Fresh Farm, an organic integrated farm that specializes in vegetables, freshwater fish, and shrimp. The farm consists of an aquaconic system supported by an 80,000 gallon rainwater harvesting system, three greenhouses, and an open field production. In 2017, this innovation won him the Green Award, the Idea of the Year Award, and the Prime Minister's Award for Innovation. Sagasan is a stinky old problem which aligns the East Coast negatively impacting the tourism and fishing industry. It took Joanne and Dujon, a young St. Lucia, to dream up a commercially viable solution to fight invasive seaweed threatening the tourism-dependent economy. Algas Organics converts Sagasan into fungicides, pesticides, and crop fertilizers. Algas has processed over 2 million pounds of seaweed since 2015. This innovator exemplifies the formula. Invention plus entrepreneurship equals innovation plus new knowledge. So everybody loves a good time. But the COVID-19 pandemic redefined the logistics of fun. Enter 758 excursions. They created a market for people eager to explore the island in a safe space. 18 purposely modified SUVs for guests on mobile parties, riverlines, private picnics, and overnight camping estates. 758 excursions truly demonstrates the formula of innovation in new market disruption. Where a company creates and claims a new segment of an existing market by catering to an underserved customer base, slowly improving in quality until incumbent businesses' services are obsolete or they catch up. On the other hand, low-end disruption innovation is where a company uses a low-cost business model to enter the bottom of an existing market and claim a segment. Karl Augustine's vanilla vying concept and high-value sales illustrates this in a bushy St. Lucian context. One of St. Lucian's best-known innovators is Kallis Noelle, the fisherman from Labry. Through an extensive process of trial and error, he designed and built the world's only solar power desalinator. His invention was shipped across the globe to Nauru, a small island in the Pacific, to solve their portable water challenges. His company's called Invictus and it validates the tenets of sustaining innovation, in which a company creates better products to sell for higher profits to its best customers. His latest creation is the Magellan, a multi-sensor autonomous unmanned surface vessel that will be able to transmit maritime information in real time to different stakeholders to assist in shaping policies for climate change adaptation. The innovation division was established in 2017 and forms part of the Ministry of Education, Sustainable Development, Science, Technology and Vocational Training. Its mandate is to encourage St. Lucian's to harness their creativity to develop products, services and ideas sufficiently to a commercial standard and importantly, to monetize it. Towards the establishment of a working innovation management framework as part of the National Competitiveness Agenda, the draft Science, Technology and Innovation Policy and Framework has been proposed. This policy outlines the actions and decisions of interventions to be taken by the government to promote the generation, diffusion and deployment of new goods, processes and business models. World Creativity and Innovation Day is observed every year on April 21st to create greater awareness for the importance of creativity and innovation in all aspects of human development. Creativity and innovation are also vital in achieving the sustainable development goals set out by the UN. Though both terms are often used interchangeably, creativity and innovation are distinct concepts that work hand in hand to achieve the desired end. Together to develop something creative and innovative special thanks to the communications units of the Department of Education as well as the innovation unit for putting this video together. What is now approved was once imagined. This is what we are told by William Blake. What is now approved was once imagined. We once imagined this day and it has come together because of you who are present here and with that, I would just like to invite Ms. Malte to just specially recognize a few individuals who have helped make this opening ceremony extra special.  We have a whole day of events and if you stick around, you just might get one too because remember, creativity is about giving and sharing. So Ms. Malte, please join me as we give some special tokens to the special people, not under the tent yet but those on the stage.  Denel Florius. And he deserved that name, learned that name because he's an innovator, a mover shaker. Mr. Florius, do you mind please coming up for your bag? Round of applause please. Next we have Tim Pellet-Louisey. We have the lady herself, P.S. Michelle Charles. And last but by no means least, Reverend Addy. Now I practiced the name so much and now it almost slipped me. Reverend Kwame Addy. Gemfie, Gemfie, I got it, right sir? Gemfie. Now you've heard me speaking a lot and you know this is about, we're about to round off the opening ceremony but there's a lot more to come. So to help me with the vote of thanks because there are so many people, so many people, some among you, some behind the scenes still who made this event possible. Help me welcome Ms. Janela Charles. And remember to stand by, stay tuned, keep coming in because this is a whole day of activities. Thank you very much. Good afternoon everyone. Oh, it's morning? Yeah, I'm hungry. Okay, I'd like to, I am Janela Charles and I've been appointed the greatest responsibility to deliver the vote of thanks and to express appreciation. Such a manifest and important event cannot be fruitful without the contribution of many individuals, organization and entities. We have to give thanks to the Almighty for gracing us with such spectacular sunny weather. We are grateful to our minister, Honorable Sean Edwards, for his constant support and to the initiative and by extension, the innovation division under the leadership Ms. Linnell Mazer and her team. I say thank you to the Impolite Louise on her earliest proponent to creativity and innovation for her remarks. And to Ms. Michelle Charles, our permanent secretary for endorsement and support for this venture. A special thank you to the Nell Flavius, Flavius, that's correct, for the keynote address. We are all blessed by our innovation and delivered by Reverend Kwame Adi Jeffy. And most grateful, heartfelt thank you and appreciation goes to the innovation division, spectacularly the attendants at the Innovation and Career Development Center, Islandwide, who work hard daily to give support and their talent. We say thank you to the moderators, Dinelle Dubois, Jesse Leo, Esther Matthew, who will traffic the discuss of the day and keep us on track. And of course, all the panellists Glenn Simon, Ms. Gustave, Ms. Esther St. Amy, Ms. Dr. Louise Felix, Louise Victor, Miguel Edwin, Empress Rhonda Ithope, Simon Griffiths Francis, Nyla Marius, Randizia Charles, Ms. James and Gracie Alcide, who will be participating during the course of the day. Thank you for our repertoire, Ms. Constance Hrenny. A special thank you, a special thank you to our team for bringing this activity and viewers in the virtual land Ms. Filmer Chalry and Kashima Desi for the publication, Ms. Delta Natrium for the artwork on the t-shirt and the secretaries of admin in the Department of Education. Gratitude goes to the innovation, name Nick Ellis, Laura Noel, Ms. Ferdinand, Ms. Sidney Randall, Dale Elliot, Steven Felix, 758 Adventures. Thank you to the ministers and parliamentary reps from our system ministry who grace us with their presence. Thank you to the staff and various ministries and in particular from the Education Department, Department of Education. We are grateful to Shomak Designs and even to bring this venture to life. Doesn't the venue look lovely? Thank you to the sound technicians, the porters, the drivers who assisted in preparing this venue. So after Louis Community College for using their equipment to the media houses, our social media platforms for carrying and promoting our, especially the independent film company. Shout out to the member of the public who stepped by and to all creativity and innovations around the world. I apologize to anyone I have failed to mention by contributing towards the success of world creativity and innovation, public symposium under the theme, step out and innovate. Thank you to the moon. Thank you to Shai Majanella Charles, Kuiolma Stila Timiette. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings a close to our welcome, our opening ceremony. The day continues with numerous panel discussions. We have one panel discussion on governance processes and services. What does innovation mean to me? We have another panel discussion on innovation. It's our business. On this panel discussion, we have for instance, Louis Victor. We have Miguel Edwin Ronda Itopa, Miss Signagreeves. In the afternoon, we have another session, a future of creatives. What does innovation again mean to me? On this we have some of our young folks from the NYC, as well as the Caribbean Youth Environmental Network.  If you have to do something, you can step out a while, but please return and join in the activities. For now, we have some special treats for our specially invited guests. You are invited to the town hall. But before your journey there, I just want to remind you, we have the most beautiful standing booth, the most creative by far, right here to my left. It says, I am creative. Feel free to snap a photo. If you snap a photo, remember, the only price you have to pay is to upload it in place. Hashtag, let me hear what you have to put. Seven five eight. Massa Tonsa. Hashtag seven five eight. Or hashtag seven five eight. Thank you so much. Those of you viewing online, remember you are welcome to come in person. It's a lovely day, a sunny day. Come get your vitamin D and let us celebrate world creativity and innovation day. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for attending our opening ceremony. Please join us in the town hall for a few eats, the specially invited guests and the rest of you stand by moist to come. Have a wonderful day. Thank you. Word up. Welcome to the second semifinal of the Word of Poetry Slam, organized by the Hunter Jifis War Library at the South Lewis Community College. The first semifinals, so eight poets from various units.


Hey, Nancy, how are you doing? Okay, it looks like we're recording already. Yeah, I hadn't. Stunned out panelists invitation. So, we started and we'll just wait, I guess, for everyone to join. It might be a short meeting. Right. And Steve isn't going to be here. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah, he emailed me a little bit ago. Yeah. And I think the important thing will be just to. I think we have like 2 or 3 applications that it'll. Probably be submitted shortly. So we'll have to schedule a hearing. Oh, fairly soon again. Yeah, 98 fearing is proposing to come back. Oh, they're proposing a second unit on the property. 98 fearing. They had, they had been, I think, I think, I think they came to the commission a while ago and just, I think it was last summer or fall to just discuss their, their plan. Oh, these are the people who wanted to do the massive apartment. The 2 or 3 duplexes or apartment or something. Yeah. And the rest of it's, you know, smaller things like mini splits or new windows or things. Okay. Do you know what the proposal is for 98 fearing? It's to do, it's in a, you know, like a an apartment building. It has 3 or 4 units. And it looks, I mean, they've really changed the proposal. So it looks, it looks like a second house on the property. Not, you know, I think originally it was a much, much, much bigger building or buildings. And so now they've changed it. Yeah, they have to still go to the ZBA as well. But big enough to have 3 units. So we're talking 12 more people living on the property. Yeah, I mean, it's a fair, I forget exactly what it, how big it is, but right, something like that. It's pretty big. Oh, 3 or 1. Hopefully we get 2 more commissioners. Yeah, Karin's not going to be here. Right. And Steve is not. Right. Someone's trying to reach me. Steve can't. No, he just emailed a bit ago and said he's pretty sick. Oh. Just click on it and Nate will make you, he'll, he'll turn you into a panelist. Oh, magically. Greed is having trouble getting on. Oh, I think you just have to click on it and then you'll join. He said, she said it says it expired. Um, she might be clicking on. The one from today. 3038. The one from last time, maybe. Yeah. Did you get the, the message from him today with, with a zoom connection? Is that Greta? I'll just forward it again. Yeah, it's Greta. Yeah. Oh, she's got it. Okay. Use that one. Okay. Okay. No problem. Yeah, I think some people schedule. I mean, we never, I wouldn't do it for a board or committee, but some people schedule a recurring meeting. So the link is valid for every one, but the way we have to reschedule everything. I don't, I wouldn't do that. Elizabeth, I read your book and I've now recommended it to everybody. I know it's the most fascinating story and it's so, oh, I just couldn't get over it. I want to do the hike now too. Yeah. Um, I was just up in Haydenville this morning. Um, we're putting, um, there's all these activities for the 150th and we're putting at least 75 markers all the way down the flood route with a little explanation of what happened at that spot. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And there's going to be a big ceremony, um, at the Williamsburg congregational church on May 18th and they're going to reenact the horse ride. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I want to know the horse. I think it would make a great movie. You know, I've often thought that and others have said that. So I had no idea that it all happened. And historically, in terms of how it changed, how the state works, it's really very interesting story. Yeah, it is. Thank you. Well, it's three or four. We started. So this is being recorded. I'm not sure if there's any more commissioners that we would expect. I think this might be it. Yeah. Currents not going to be here and Steve's not going to be here. So I think that we are they. So, uh, I'll call the meeting to order then. Um, and I'll start with the roll call. Uh, so Nicole. Here. Elizabeth. Here. Greta. Yeah. Bruce. Yeah. And, uh, I'm Nancy Mattner and I'm here and we're here to, uh, hear. One requested with Stalin and new interior door. Uh, and then we have some other bylaw changes that we're going to discuss and East Amherst as a potential historic district. Um, this is a zoom meeting, uh, and anyone from the public who wants to access it can do so. Um, Nate, do you want to begin with 19 McClellan? Sure. So 19 McClellan, it was a request to install a new exterior door, uh, covered stairs and lighting at the kind of rear of the structure. We talked about it on February 13th. The applicant has since asked for this to be withdrawn, so they're not going to move forward with it. Uh, but since we've already started opening the hearing, the commission has to vote to allow the withdrawal. Uh, you could still, you know, vote to deny it, but you know, they've indicated they're not going to move forward with the project. Do I have a motion to, uh, prove that they withdraw? Or a motion to deny Elizabeth? Or I support their withdrawal. Is that what that would it be? Yeah, I, I moved to support the withdrawal to support their withdrawal. And I'm just checking it. Okay. Is there a discussion? Okay. Let's move to a vote. Then, uh, Bruce. Hi. Rita. Hi. Uh, Elizabeth. Hi. Nicole. Yes. And I also support it. So, uh, we will allow them to withdraw their, their proposal. Um, question. I thought Steve was joining the meeting. Uh, Steve is ill and he had gone to Mexico and he picked up some kind of bug and he thought he was going to be able to be here, but he is not. Okay. Cause I saw it just a moment ago that he was asking for a link. So I, that part of it is what I was confused about. Yeah. He emailed me as well and said, I'm sorry, I can't make it. I'm not, he said he's really not up for it. Okay. So that's, that's, that's the explanation. Thank you. Yeah. So, um, this brings us to the public meeting discussion of the proposed bylaw changes, Nate. So I think you are the one who has, uh, the information for us. Yeah, I can, I'll share my screen in a minute.  The building commissioner provided some input. We're still thinking about how to, uh, word a few things. Um, and then moving forward, if the commission likes the changes, it's a general bylaw with the town. So we would have to bring it to the town council for their review. And then it would have to go through, you know, a review of a subcommittee and get back, but I think, you know, if we, if we want to forward it along after, you know, we discuss that we can. And, um, let me just share my screen now. So there's, you know, what we're proposing to do is add a definition called parking areas. And it would mean, you know, newer expanded improved surface with, within the property. So it couldn't be, you know, pavement in the right of way, right? So we, the local district only regulates things on property, uh, designed to accommodate a total cumulative number of five or more parking spaces. That way, if it's, you know, not a centralized parking area, but you know, multiple areas, um, and then parking areas do not include other areas such as an access drive, not designed for parking spaces. So, you know, the driveway itself or other turnarounds would not be regulated. And, um, you know, my only question was, does it need to be improved or impervious, like what about stone dust? But I think, you know, an improved surface doesn't, I think that, um, we're not really regulating that. It's on the ground plane, but it just means, you know, some parking area, right? So it could be, it could be gravel, it could be paved, but just the, an area that's designated for five or more parking spaces. Um, you know, and that's, it's not, it's regulating and it's not regulating the use, it's really regulating the area. So we'd have to be, you know, if this were to move forward, we have to be careful saying, you know, we don't like the number of spaces or we think, you know, five spaces is not enough for the proposed use. That's not what we're, we'd be looking at. It would be really how does the parking area impact the site design or the layout or the relationship of buildings to buildings or to the street? And so, um, yes. I guess my question would be five is quite large. Um, was, was five parking spaces, like how did that number come about? Could it be less? Cause I mean, I'm just thinking, you know, we're not asking about a driveway, but, you know, if it's an additional five parking spaces to a driveway, that's a very large, additional asphalted area, if even three parking spaces is pretty big in addition to a driveway. Yeah. I mean, I think some of it would be, you know, like, it, you know, it's a total of five throughout the property. So it's like, you know, does the commission really want to review three parking spaces? I mean, you know, it could be that, uh, typically, um, there's no permits required for, uh, some of this. And so the difficulty will be, how do we capture this?  Typically, you know, so it's five, you know, we were saying that that's usually associated with a certain size or threshold that would trigger some review that would capture it. But so Nate, does it, it seems like something's happened or this has come up before it's been an issue before or started to be an issue. Could you just say a little something about the kinds of situations that arise that make this necessary? Yeah, I'll just say that Bruce had his hand up too. I think. Oh, sorry. No, but, um, I'll answer your question, Elizabeth. Yeah, I, you know, since the district was adopted and I think, you know, especially given the housing market and changes in Amherst, I think, although it's a residential area, there are a few instances where, say a property turns into a rental or something happens where they actually want to put in like 15 parking spaces on the property. And it's no longer a residential and character. It's becoming, say, more commercial or institutional in the parking could be in the front or on the side or cover the backyard. And so then really that parking area is something that is impactful to the, you know, to the neighborhood and the character of the neighborhood. And, you know, I think Brookline and a few, maybe it was like Dorchester have kind of some regulations around this, and they will say that the parking area should be behind the building. They don't allow it, say in the front. We, you know, the town has the zoning bylaw has other regulations, right? So you can't have parking in the, you know, in the right of way and certain things. So, you know, this is not as descriptive. And so it could be that we have some other language about no parking in the front. But that, you know, I think that, yeah, anyways, I think there's some can, some communities are trying to consider how they do that without, you know, it's not really regulating the use of the, you know, as a parking. It's really the parking area and how visually it can disrupt the neighborhood or, you know, Bruce. Let's make sure I'm not muted. Couple of things. First of all, five is up the poor and or if we have a duplex with the current parking generation bylaw, that amounts to four spaces. So it's not uncommon for us, for these areas to be have houses that are converted to duplexes. And so I think five is a very logical starting place because otherwise we'd be getting involved in in all sorts of considerations about whether we allow some duplexes or not, because if we were to say no to, say, for that we would perhaps then be fighting the zoning board and the bylaws and any, any permitted use for a duplex. So I just don't think we want to go in that direction. So I think five is a very logical starting place, five or more. But then Elizabeth, in answer to your question or further to what Nate said, I think I could give a more specific example or answer that question more specifically. And it was that in my view, anyway, that this cropped up once we got an application from they can't remember whether it was coal, whether it was coal construction or for someone for a property on was it fearing and it had, it had to do with the realization that large sites could have multiple primary uses. And suddenly, certainly I am on the planning board then became aware because I didn't realize this, that that you could start building second and third primary uses on sites that were large enough. And so we saw a situation where we had someone who was trying to develop a site in our district this way and it generated a colossal amount of parking. And that was when we, we said, well, because this was, I think those of us on the committee at the time said, well, this is out of scale. This amount of parking is out of scale and, and scale considerations are part of our purview, but parking was not specifically an item of a scale where we could address inconsistency or inappropriateness of scale. And so what this is doing is folding that in to what we are allowed to take into consideration. So I think, Nate, that's really the answer, isn't it? To the question as to why, why now, what happened that caused us to be interested? I think it was that development on fearing. Yeah. And I think that the realization that there's the zoning allows, like you said Bruce different or more than one use.  And I'd have already said, I've already said this. It could like indirectly regulate parking because it's the relationship of building. So if, you know, someone's putting a parking area and it's causing a building to be set back more than say what the neighborhood has in terms of a consistent setback or relationship to the street, then you could indirectly say, well, you know, the building needs to come forward. So then that means the parking needs to be moved. But by making a defined term that then is something that is reviewed. It could be, you know, looked at on its own as opposed to, you know, it kind of secondarily because of a, you know, some other design or some other structure on the property. Hmm. Anyway, I'm good with the language. Are there any other concerns about this language? I think it's good. And I would like to see this resolved before 98 fearing returns to us as Nate says it is going to. I guess another thought just because like whenever we list a property, we kind of count out how many cars can get in the driveway. As parking spaces, you know, just so people kind of have an awareness before they even get to the property. So like some of these very long driveways, I mean, could be six, you know, it could be two, two, two, you know, back behind each other. I don't know if it matters. I'm just trying to. Like really make a distinction between their driveway and like making additional parking. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a really good point because, you know, a lot of homes might have a driveway where you can stack cars and have four cars in there for your, you know, for the household.  And so that's where it, you know, it's excluding the access drive. So it really is, you know, if there's a driveway and then they, you know, someone might make a really wide driveway and then, you know, that side part is really the parking area. Right. I mean, you're not going to have a driveway that's 30 feet wide. Right. That means they're going to have some of that's for parking. And so we would therefore declare that that's a parking area. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Do we need to specify driveway widths in order to be able to make such a declaration with confidence? Let me just, let me, I'll put a comment in. Just so we, it's a right. Yeah. Right.  We could a single aisle or something. Yeah. Yeah. So the driveway is considered to be a paved area. The venue paved area, no wider than 12 feet. Or it could be 24 for a two car. But yeah, I feel like we could come up with some language or something. I think it's a good point that you, that you make. Nicole. Yeah. I think it sounds, it sounds good. Yeah. Right. So we're not going to be saying, right.  That's just, you know, yeah. So I think if there are concerns that they would have to be addressed by other parts of our by law or other, you know, the rental by law or something like that. Yep. Right. Right. And so then there's multiple pieces that could be working on a property, right. It could be zoning could be a rental or just, you know, rental by law. And then here down in structure, we then fold in the new parking area definition, as well as an ad or above grade drainage infrastructure. And I, you know, the drainage pieces. And it's defined now anyways as a combination materials other than a building, including a sign fence wall, terrace walker driveway. And it doesn't include such things as it, you know, so the building commissioner thinks sure it can include any, any type of combination of materials then so it could be like a drainage overflow structure. Or, you know, but I think we're to put this in there. It clarifies it a little bit more. So, you know, we're seeing, especially with new stormwater regulations getting in place where even if it is not much of a big addition to a building or a number of units they might be putting, you know, an overflow structure in their front yard or there's, you know, more things that we haven't that weren't envisioned when this by law was adopted and so yeah. And so I mean, for example, that's a take your front yard thing, it could be that someone decides to put a thing in there and they're thinking well it'll be a dorm structure of some sort and we say well no really this just do a, you know, one that's in the same plane as the lawn so it's essentially a lawn outlet so I didn't necessarily think we're in the business of saying you can't put in drainage infrastructures but just that as you say we want to say what they look like and try and make them look as innocuous as possible. Right, so I mean I don't yeah I think there's some projects where the drainage overflow is basically like a concrete box you know it's like 18 inches by 18 inches and you know to me that's a industrial commercial look but you could do it on a single family home or like Bruce said you could have a nice kind of accurate great right that you know smaller and it meets the same purpose and so. Yeah, but like, like they have at the Eric Cole Museum some very nice elegant, simple kind of truthive in inlets there. Right, right. And so I think, yeah, so to me that's you know, that's the other change. There, the only one was a removal of. We. Yeah, I don't, I don't think we can legally say this. We say each member and other members shall continue to serve an office after the expiration of their term until a successor is duly appointed and sworn in. That's our Bruce Colton. I'm not responsible for this I didn't know we are. I'll tell California, but I think the, the drainage piece the only thing that Rob and I, the building for sure talking about is in the exclusions. We then say terraces walks, driveways are similar structures provided they're at grade, which is somewhat inconsistent with the new definition so we're thinking about how to how to word this exclusion. You know, and it's really funny this was a state template, but typically, you know, terraces walks and driveways are always at grade and so if they're not then there's a retaining wall, which is a structure which gets reviewed anyways and so it's an odd. And we're both looking at this today thing like wow this is kind of odd language. You mean it's redundant. Right so when is the terrace not at grade. I mean if it, like I'm saying if it, you know, because then you're essentially if it's not at great it means you're bringing it up with a wall or some berm which becomes what what you're concerned about. Right as well to the commission is going to review anyways and so. I think that's the only other piece we'd work to get all this to be consistent and then, you know, we could, I guess, move it forward to council we'd have to kind of write a memo and, you know, I don't know if we'd say we petition the council but we'd ask for this to be updated. Yeah. So, should you bring this back to us before we write this letter to the council. Yeah, I think we could do one more revision. I think we can come back and then you know if you have it in word if you have if anyone has any comments or anything else you can send those to me. Okay. Good. Well, thank you for working on this Nate, and I think that we all had agreed that this was necessary and this looks like it's what we probably need. Yep. Next item or did you want us to take any action on this before we move. No, I think I'll bring it back next time and maybe it'll be maybe it should be could be done then. So the next item is this the discussion of East Amherst as a potential historic district. And we do have a message from Steve on this topic. So, he says that the CPA grant comes up before town council at tonight's meeting. And he met with Chris Scully who has agreed to complete the form B's for all the properties in the National Historic Register, many of which are already completed or partially completed. And it's his opinion that many of the houses on spalding should be included since they are the same period and are architecturally noteworthy. I think I agree with that there. We walked down spalding or some of us did. And I would agree. He and Chris agreed on a commission of 18,500, which would leave 1500 in the kitty for copies and mailings. So that's for the committee to mission to think about. Do people have thoughts about including spalding. Oh. It sounds nice. Sorry, go ahead. No, you do. I need a little refresher on spalding street. Yeah, I was going to try to pull up a map. Oh, thanks. I have, I just pulled up the map for myself. But I'm trying to think about the housing in relation. There's other side streets too closer like some way street. But remember some way. What's on show me. I don't remember what's on spalding. Spalding goes all the way up to the power lines. I know we've got one or two houses on that street. I mean, we being, I think the planning board. I'm looking, I can see them now.  Yeah, I see. That's a very old one. I mean, my only thoughts is, well, where do you draw the line? And is there, so the question is, is there a modestly compelling reason why the line should be drawn? Oh, I see. It doesn't go all the way up. So if this map is visible here, the purple is e-samurse. And it includes, you know, properties along main street up to the Ithmar conky house here. So it goes all the way up Salem street or to spalding.  So we, you know, and PVPC had been looking at expanding this. So we're thinking going down Pelham road, you know, next, a few more properties. Maybe, you know, maybe to the north, this is okay. You know, at hedgerow. And then, you know, the question becomes right, how much further down south. And so, you know, if we use this area, we don't think these properties to the south along the common are. It changes character. And then right there, some way street Salem and spalding. And so really that's kind of, to me, and like up to Aspen chase here. So it's kind of just how much more do we add in this area? And the historical commission, Massachusetts, historical commission. You know, would ask, like, how did we. There's already been a justification for the East village, but we could say, well, we also examine these additional properties. And here is where we think, you know, 20 more properties could be added. And so. Is there an appreciable difference between spalding and some way street. I think there is. I mean, some way is, is, is down flat and, and heads off into the, the, the route nine and is largely student. It's largely, I think, you know, highly occupied student, highly occupied rental in housing. And, and, and I would say that the properties have been degraded somewhat. So this is some way street. So I think that there is a few older homes. Oh, I'm wrong about that. I mean, I'm looking on the, on the West side, but this, the east side looks much better. It's a few homes, but maybe it doesn't go all the way. Whereas spalding street is. You know, consistently a different. Yeah. Time period. Yes. And so, I mean, I think that's where. You know, I mean, to me, it looks, it does look different than some way. So. You know, East Amherst is one of the older centers. And so, you know, I guess it depends on how. What we're kind of saying the period of significance is, or what the date ranges would be. Well, but I was going to say is it, we deciding now whether we should include it for the purposes of study, which is an easier decision than whether we are committed to making the case. If we've got the funds, I think we should do the research on these buildings so we can afford it. And then we're in a better position to make those decisions. Yeah, that makes sense. Does Steve say what his thinking was? I mean. I know it seemed like they're really. Interesting older buildings. Yeah. I mean, I think Chris Kelly's had worked for mass historic and as a consultant and maybe he had been, it sounds like he must have. Done some research himself and determine that spalding had some relevant properties. I mean, I agree. I think the planning department could also have some additional funding if we needed to get a few more properties done. And so, you know, really, as long as the council supports the $20,000 request, I kind of agree with Bruce. I mean, what we'd be getting would be research and new updated inventory forms on the properties. And so whether or not it becomes part of the district, we'd have, we'd actually have more research on these properties. It would just be a, that's kind of, to me, that's the benefit of, of the CPA funds. And then it becomes ready to kind of a decision of the commission and the town, how, where the boundaries are. That's kind of a secondary piece at this point, I think. That seems right to me. Does anybody disagree with that though? Is there anyone who opposes including trying to include spalding at this point? I think it's good to include it at this point. I think when it comes to justification, it, you know, you talk about East Amherst village and it's not really an East Amherst village. You know, you don't want to miss Nomer. Is it a separate district itself? I don't know. But I think it would be good to do the research and then we'd know. Yeah, I think right when we had PVPC look at this, there was some, at one point we're saying is there like a depot district, you know, you know, it's like where, where, where are the boundaries?  And so it is interesting because yeah, East Amherst, it could just be that it's so centric around the common, right? That there was a really early East Amherst and then. So, yeah. This is different, maybe. Right. Well, let's ask Chris to go ahead and include spalding in his research. And except, you know, is there any reason not to accept that 18,500. I think once the funding gets approved, you know, we can't spend it until July, but we can, you know, work with. We can get a contract ready and get going right away. So. Good. All right. I think we have a consensus then to go forward with. The next item on the agenda is mailing notification to property owners. And Nate, what did you want to say about that? Yeah, you know, it's something that hasn't happened in a while. I don't think. And so it had been, you know, we had kind of been sending out, I don't know if this is visible, like a tri-fold that we could put in a mail just in a, in a typical envelope that would go to residents. And so, you know, it could be that we, we might want to update something like this and then mail it out just so we, you know, just keep property owners aware that they're in local historic districts. So it's something we have. Yeah. Is it a company with a letter? Because I could see somebody receiving this as being educated on information of Amherst, not that my house is in the local historic district. And so, you know, it could be that we, we might want to update something like this and then mail it out just so we, you know, just keep property owners aware that they're in local historic districts. So something we have. Yeah. Is it accompanied with a letter? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if this one was accompanied by a letter, but we could. That's a good idea to actually tell them. Yeah. I think like very clearly, like, you're receiving this because you are in the local historic district. Right. Yes. If it's mailed in a letter, we could do that. If it's sent out as a card, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's mailed in a letter, if it's sent out as a card, we could use a stamp, you know, like, that says be aware if you're, you are in the district or something like that. I mean, that might be a bit crude and clumsy, but it's a way of doing it. I think we want to make it more positive than that. Congratulations.  That's clever. Didn't we talk about like draft or something sending those to the real estate agents too. So when they sell a house, they can give that to potential buyers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I check when stuff comes on and then basically I look to see if in disclosures they say whether or not they're in the historic district. I see. So one of them just came on and I had sent it to Nate to say that they did disclose. So it was more of kind of like back peddling that my idea was if they didn't disclose it, then to send them. The information via email even just saying the house you just listed is in the historic district just so you can share this with buyers. Please. Is that McClellan? Mm hmm. That's what I thought too. Yeah, we, yeah, I worked with, I've talked to the assessor and our GIS manager about putting this on the property card and we're still working on that you know could go in the notes but then it gets lost and I was hoping to have you know a new field or something that right could say local historic district but the you know the software that assessors use. I think I don't know if you know how difficult it is to change it sounds like it's difficult it has to match what the state wants and so you know we've we've had a few discussions about it but with our new permitting our building permit software. We've been listing it so I know that at least when building permits or other permits now are applied for it's you know they we can see that that they're in a district more easily than we could previously so at least that it's working. It'd be nice to get it on a property card though just so you know it's I don't know how many people look at their property card honestly I actually but you know they said realtor would as things change it would be somewhere on somewhere public. That's easy. Yeah, that just did it's much more easily accessible from the public. Right. For us to that's just kind of like one spot that we start with. Right. Yeah I mean it's yeah I mean there was a after the Dickinson district had been established for like four or five years and we had consistently mailed out property owners. I think for the first four or five years. I remember a property came and applied for a permit. And then we say oh you know you're a local local historic district the owners like I have no idea what you're talking about I'm like well we've sent you a notice that at least five times. And you received you know some other things inside you know I'm either they don't know you know all those half a dozen things in the mail got lost or they really didn't pay attention. Will co-ignorance is not an uncommon phenomena. I mean to me it's like if I receive something like that I'd keep it right you know I'd. Okay what does that mean like you know if so we've done this has been a few years since we've done like a notice or something but I think this year we'd be nice to do another one. Thank you. Yeah, I do too. Okay and then the next thing is upcoming applications that we need to schedule a public hearing for you said you had a few coming in. Yeah 98 fearing will be submitting an application, you know we they had a discussion months ago last year in the summer fall. But I think they're actually ready to submit an application. There's one for one or two for many splits one for new windows and a property, maybe another accessory dwelling unit and so you're thinking for scheduling a meeting. You know if we could schedule it for like three or four weeks out and that way it could double as a public hearing because we do need two weeks notice for the hearing. And so, Nate is the 98 fearing the one that we were fearing. The one that we had looked preview to like I said last year. And so they've changed the proposal but it still is a second, second structure on the property. Yeah. We gotta get that parking thing in there soon. Yeah, it won't capture it but I you know the commission has the ability to look at how massing is related to each other and spatial relationships of buildings. And we've already had an impact clearly. Right. So we're looking at April. And like the week of the 15th or 22nd. 22nd is pass over so let's not do it. Yeah, we wouldn't. I'm just saying that week too, like if we even did. I guess so this is a Monday. 15th. Or. Yeah, or. Um, the 15th is school holiday so. Yeah, let's not do that then. Yeah, let me just, I mean, I think, I mean, if we actually did April 29, that would still work because we have to. You know, that way it was posted on the 15th. We have to get the legal add in. Almost a whole week before so that only gives us. People 2 weeks to have application submitted. And that would give us enough time to go back and forth and get.  Okay, 3 o'clock on the 29th. Works for me. Yeah, I think so. Do we have anything else unanticipated items or public comment? Oh, yeah, let's have a look. There's one member of the public here. Hilda, if you want to raise your hand, I guess. Hilda, did you want to say something? No, I was just saying when I was doing some research on the properties west of Convert. Park a couple of years ago, I did find that. Most of those houses that were not put in the historic district do have notifications or did then notifications on the property record card. The historical name of the house. Probably the date it was built that cards may have been changed since then, but at that time. They were noted on at least for that area. Yeah, thanks Hilda. Yeah. Okay, is there anything else that people anyone would like to raise? If not, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. No mood. Second. Those in favor, let's see Nicole. Yes. Bruce. Yes, I usually vote by pushing the red button. Yes. And Elizabeth. Yes. Thank you, Nate for as always for all the work you do before these meetings. I held up. And thank you Hilda for coming and always coming in. Yes. Well, good input. I think there's probably some stuff here I can write a couple of paragraphs above. Yeah, it's interesting. I just looked down a property card. I didn't see the historic name, but they do have the year built. But yeah, I was. Yeah, I'll keep working with the assessor because it'd be nice to have a. Clear place where it's noted that the property is in a local historic district. Yeah, that really would be ideal. Or just disclosure purposes. I mean, then it's like. Public gets. The houses that I'm more than 75 years old. People should be alerted. Yeah. That they're being regulated. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's for the demolition review that. Yeah. That happens when they apply for a permit. It'd be hard to put it all on. Look poverty card. Right. Well, thanks everyone. So April 29th, it'll likely be a hearing. Probably three applications, maybe four. Okay. But I'm thinking if you send in the letter out. You can alert. People besides those that are in. Local historic distrust. That they've got to be aware. About changes they can make. For now, we'll just stick with the district. I think it gets expensive to. Yeah. Keep mailings. All right. So, so if we're in the train, I too, I'll have a draft letter in the bylaw, hopefully in a final form, send me comments and then we can. Move after that. Great. Thank you everyone. Bye. Bye.