Γεια σας, είμαι Βικηγίαρ και καλώς ήρθω να σας δώσει 8. Σήμερα θα σημαίνω 8 καρδιά που έκανε να χρησιμοποιήσω τα μεγάλια πρόταση που έχουν been released by MyfavoriteThings. Για την πρώτη καρδιά θα χρησιμοποιήσω την αδωρή μικρή λευκότητα από το Beech Day stamp set. Θα σημαίνω το stamp here. Και από τη στιγμή θα χρησιμοποιήσω ένα εγγραφό εγγραφό που δεν θα χρησιμοποιήσω or smear. Αυτό είναι από MyfavoriteThings και είναι called Licorice Black. Και έχω also stamped the castle and the flag but I will not end up using them. So now I'm going to use my alcohol markers to color the image. And now that I have colored everything I am going to cut out the image by using the matching dies. And now that my image is ready I am going to go ahead and create the background. For that I will be using this dynamic set which is going to help me build a beach scene. So first of all I'm going to use this rectangle which is actually going to cut out the sand and the sea. So you can use it either way upside down I mean. And I am going to cut out once from a white cardstock and another time from blue cardstock. I am using my big shot machine here. And then I will end up with four different pieces but you can match two of them together. So I will show you what I mean. And you end up creating two different scenes. They fit together like a puzzle. So the white is going to be the sand for me. You will see what the technique I will do to make it look like a realistic sand. And you see that you can end up having two different scenes. I am trying to decide which one of these shapes I am going to use for my card. Now I am going to do a technique on both my sand and my sea which is going to make it look really realistic. So I am going to grab my VersaMark ink pad and as you can see I am only adding some sticky ink on one side of the paper. Now I am going to apply this embossing pad which is very chalky if you can see. Now when I heat set it with my heat gun it is going to look as if it is the white wave at the end of my sea. So it is going to give that beautiful look. Now for the piece that is going to be the sand I am just covering it up completely with my VersaMark ink. So now this is sticky and I am going to apply embossing powder which is golden sand. I am going to make sure that I cover up everything, heat set it and this is going to give a beautiful look. As always you will find links to everything that I am using today including the embossing powders down below in the description area. So you see how beautiful my sand looks at the moment. So now I can go ahead and assemble my card.  And for my card base I am working on a white cardstock that is four and a quarter by five and a half. I am going to place the sand and my sea on top just to know exactly where I want to do the sky. And I am going to do a technique with the stencil that is just released by my favorite things. And I know that this is a stencil that I will be using a lot. I always like to create cards with sky and this is a great technique to create a nice sky with fluffy white clouds. So all I am doing is just moving my stencil as I go towards the bottom of my card. And I am applying with a blending tool, just a little bit of distress ink. And I am working with a tumbled glass today. But I am making sure that I don't load my blending tool with too much ink. Otherwise it is going to be too dark and I just want to have a light soft sky at the background. Now it is time to assemble my card. As you can see I am using tape adhesive at the back of the other pieces. I am going to stick down the sand and the sea on top.  And this is where I realized that I wanted to add just a little bit more on my card to make it more busy and to add the fun element. So I decided to go again with that same dynamic set that I used to create my scene. And this time I am using the palm tree leaves. I just used brown cardstock for the tree trunk and green cardstock for the leaves. To add a little bit of dimension and shading I used my distress ink with finger dabber. And I am adding just a little bit of inking at the edges of all the leaves. Then I will go ahead and assemble everything on top of my card. For my sentiment I used the sentiment from the same stamp set that says you brightened my life and I am going to stamp it directly on top of my sky.  To do so I am using my white gel pen. And I hope you can see all the dimension and the shine on this card. For my second card I am going to use this dynamic set to create a shaker card and first I am going to separate everything. And then I am going to use a frame from a preview released by my favorite things and I believe this is blueprints32. And I am placing on top the flower just to have a general idea of where I want the flower to be so that I know exactly where I want to cut out my hole. Once I am happy with the placement I am securing it down. I am going to run it through my scissors machine and now I have a nice panel to go on top of my shaker card.  So I am just sticking the acetate there. I am going to cut out the excess and I have my window ready. For my flower I am going to cut it out of these pattern papers. Now I went through my stash and I found these pattern papers in orange and in red. I am going to cut out twice these flowers so I end up having four of them. I want to stick the darker one on top of the other and at the same time I want to add dimension. So you will be able to see underneath that flower. And this is why I am going to stick back to back together. So this way when you turn it over it is going to be the same color. Now for the other one I am going to stick it directly on top of my card. I am going to stick the stem at the very bottom just underneath those petals there. And then I am going to take the darker flower and I am going to use my fingers to add some curves on the end of the petals. This way it is going to add some dimension and it is going to look more fun. Now I am going to stick that on top of my other flower and this way you will be able to see the color underneath. And it is going to look more full. Now I am working at the back of my panel. I am using some foam tape to go all around the window and then I am going to add some yellow sequence. And this is actually a mix I had in my stash forever. I can't really remember where I got it.  I have also used another die from the same set and I have cut out this ring. And I am going to stick it at the very center of my flower. And this is going to give a more finished look to my flower. I am also going to stick down the leaves and I am going to stick the solid leaf directly on top of my card while on the other leaf I am going to add a little bit of a curl. And then stick it just a little bit offset against the other leaf. So this way I get more dimension. You know I love dimension so I have to add it to pretty much every card that I make. And since this is such a fun and happy flower I decided to go with a yellow card base for my card. Again this is a standard card that is 4.25 x 5.5. My sentiment says hello there. I have stamped it on a white piece of cardstock and cut it out with one of the banners by my favorite things. And the sentiment comes from the essential sentiments stamp set that was released this month. And I think this is a lovely and bright card. Now let's move on to the third card for today. Now for this I am going to use one of the giraffes from the Giraffe set. I am going to stamp it with my black licorice ink pad. And again I am going to stamp it on white cardstock. You see I am just using a scrap here. And I am going to use my alcohol markers to color it and also the matching dye to cut it out. Now as you can see I didn't even bother to color the whole giraffe just because I am not going to use it as it is. Now I am also going to use this safari tree and I am going to cut out parts of it by using just some cardstock here. I am using two different shades of green for the leaves and dark brown for the trunk. And just because I want to have some clouds on my sky I am going to bring in those clouds from the cloud 9 dynamic set. And now as you can see I am planning to have my giraffe coming from behind the tree.  I am going to stick her down and then assemble my tree on top. For some of the leaves of the tree I am going to stick them directly on top of my card and for some others I am going to use a foam square at the back just to add a little bit of dimension. So now my giraffe looks even taller than it was designed to be just because I have chopped her off in that way. And the idea is to have her way up high and by sticking the tree trunk so far down at my card and sticking down the white clouds it really gives the illusion that she is far far up at the sky. Now for the sentiment I will stamp a watch up and I am going to stamp that on my cloud and fits perfectly inside. The sentiment comes from the same stamp set as the giraffe and now I am going to stick the panel on a standard white card. My card is finished. Now let's move on to card number 4. This time I am going to use the seagulls and the waves. So these are grey dyes. I am going to place one on top of this cardstock and cut it out. You can see here on top of my panel what a beautiful wave I got. I have also stamped two of the seagulls making sure that they look at each other. There are so many different designs of seagulls and you can play around with them. I am going to color everything with my alcohol markers. Now as you can see my seagulls are ready and cut out and I am working on my sea right now. I am going to add some slits on my sea where I am going to place the seagulls inside. I will see if they are floating at the sea. These dyes that I am using right now come from the matching dynamic set of the seagulls. So now I have some slits there and I like how wavy they are and my seagulls fit just right inside them. Now I have to stick down my seagulls. For that I am going to use some foam squares at the back and this way I am going to have some dimension. Now I am going to stamp the sentiment and for that I am working directly on my card base and I have combined two of the sentiments from the stamp set that say Hey girlfriend, I am so glad you are mine, mine, mine. I think that's hilarious. Anyway, I am going now to stick the panel directly on top of my card base and I am going to combine both tape adhesive as well as foam tape at the back so that at the very bottom the panel is going to be flat on my card base but at the top it's going to be just a little bit raised.  I have punched out a few of them. I am going to place exactly where I want them and then I am going to go ahead and stick them down. I also did go ahead and added some eyelashes on the eyes of one of the seagulls just to turn her into a girl. Now I think I have lost the footage of that so you will see a close-up look at the photos at the end. Now I am going over the beaks as well as the hearts with my glitter pen and I am also going to go over them with my clear nouveau drops just to add some shine. Now let's move on to a fun card with flowers. For that I am using the doodle flowers. I am going to stamp some of the stems and some of the flowers. I am going to use my alcohol markers to color them and since these flowers have this doodle design it's really fun to go over some of the parts and add some dots and that's just what I am doing here. I am using my white gel pen to do so and I am just having fun adding dots in random spots with no reasoning really. When I finish playing around I am going to use the dice and cut out every little image that I have colored. Once I had everything cut out I played around a little bit to decide where everything is going to go and I wanted to have all the flowers in a row so I am going to stick the stems directly on top of my card with adhesive and I am going to add foam scores at the back of the flowers and as I was sticking everything down I decided that I wanted to have my sentiment underneath that rip strip so this is where I had to unpeel the flower just because I had to cut out everything so I didn't make the mess which was good and now I am going to place this there so that I can run it through my die cutting machine if I had that foam square with the flowers on top of my panel I wouldn't be able to run it through so now I am going to bring in my machine I am going to run through this strip which is really fun and I am going to show you at the end of this card what that does so it's going to create that thing there which the recipient has to rip off so that the sentiment is revealed underneath and I am also going to show you how you can stamp the sentiment underneath so that they are completely aligned now I am sticking down all the flowers and the panel that I am working on is slightly smaller than a standard card so now that I am bringing this card which is bright I get a nice border all around I am going to stamp the sentiment on my card base but I need to make sure that this is completely aligned with the strip that the recipient has to rip off so I am going to place the panel just temporarily on top of my card base I am going to pick my sentiment I am going to place it on top of the strip close the door of my misty I am going to remove the panel and now I am ready to stamp for that I am going to use just black ink I am going to stamp it there so I went with you make me happy and now all I have to do is to stick the panel on top of my card base for that I decided to go with my tape adhesive just make sure that you don't add tape adhesive at the back of that strip that the recipient has to rip off otherwise it's not going to peel off so now I am going to make sure that I align it nicely there and my card is ready and here is an example of what the recipient has to do to reveal the sentiment really fun and now let's move on to the sixth card for today a very pink and girly card now I am going to use the pick-a-book square which is going to leave a window on my panel and at the same time is going to give a nice stitching all around that window I don't know if you can see that here in the close-up look but it gives a really beautiful detail now I am going to use the adorable Beats Bunny stamp set and I am going to choose one of the bunnies and I actually chosen the biggest one so I am going to stamp that on a piece of white cardstock and then I am going to color it by using my alcohol markers I am also going to add some dots on her dress just because I think it's so cute and then I am going to use the matching dice and cut her out now I have a square which is slightly bigger than the window there so I am going to work on my scene and again I am going over the stencil with the clouds and I am creating my sky with nice perfect clouds Again I am just using the same technique as I did for the first card and to complete my little scene I want to have some grass a hill so I am going to use this die to create this nice scalloped edge I am going to cut out a piece of that which is going to be the grass I am securing it at the bottom of my square by using some tape adhesive at the back from the same stamp set I have also cut out a little birdie and colored it yellow and now I am using the built-in scene from the previous release and I have also cut out a little tree just by using some brown cardstock and some green one so I am now going to go all over the window at the back and I am not going for a seiker card here I just want to support that window so it doesn't fall when I mail it I am going to peel off the backing and stick it on top of my square and now I can go ahead and assemble everything on top I am going to add a foam square at the back of my bunny and I am going to place the bunny as if it is coming out of that little scene and towards you and I am also going to stick the other elements such as the bird and the little tree and now I am going to stick the panel on top of a standard card that is 4.25x5.5 I am going to add a little bit of black shine on the eyes and the nose and I am using my clear nuvo drops on her bow just to make it shiny now all that is left to do is to stamp the sentiment and for that I used one from the same stamp set I am going to white emboss it on top of this same pink cardstock and I went with a sentiment that says hey honey bunny so I am stamping it with VersaMarking I am going to apply white embossing powder and I am going to heat set it and then cut it out with one of the banner dies I have added a piece of foam tape at the back of my banner and now I am going to secure it on top of my card and my card is finished and now let's move on and create card number 7 where I will be combining 3 different stamp sets from this release so first of all I am going to work on a mixed media paper here just because I will be using my Distress Oxidings later on the stamps that I am using come from the Exquisite Ocean stamp set and this is going to play the role of a coral and once I have stamped it there I am going to stamp it again but this time I am going to use VersaMarking this is going to turn this design into an embossable design but just because I am planning to do some clear embossing at the end and I am going to explain why I do that so again I am going to stamp one more design and this time I am going with green and then I stamped it once more directly on top by using VersaMarking now I am super happy with how the bottom of my ocean looks so I will go ahead and apply my embossing powder now this embossing powder looks white but it is clear so once I hit set it it is going to turn shiny and clear and the beauty of this is that once I apply Distress Oxides on top this is going to resist Distress Oxides so no matter how much ink I apply on top I will still get the vibrant colors so now I am going with Broken China and Fated Jeans I have smoothed them on my craft mat applied some water and now I am going to make sure that I have enough color on my card and I already love how it looks my ocean already looks beautiful and you can see how those embossed areas resist the color the ink so now I am going to hit set everything and once everything dries I am going to repeat the same process so again I am dabbing my panel on the rest of the splashes that I still have on my mat I am drying in between and I am going to do that a couple of times until I am happy with the outcome now I am going to clean my surface there and then I am going to go over that panel directly with my Distress Oxide Inks this way I am going to intensify the color just a little bit more but I am not going to overdo it as I don't want to lose all that beautiful texture that I have already achieved and again I am not introducing any other color again I am just working with the two colors that I have on my background I am spraying on top of everything this is going to make the ink that I have added on top react with water and it is going to make it oxidized and give that chalky finish I am also going to add some droplets of water and wipe everything with a paper towel and I love how my background is looking and now I am going to work on my focal point for that I am going to use the shark from the stamp set that is called Ocean Pulse and again I will work on mixed media paper just to make sure that it is going to take the ink nicely now I am going to color everything with my finger dabbers and my Distress Oxide Inks so I am using iced spruce for a first layer all over my shark then I am going to add just a touch of Broken China but not all over the shark just only at the bottom and then I will move on to the next color of my Distress Oxide collection and that's Faded Jeans and I am going to add the very bottom of my shark and just because I don't want to have that white border all around although it's not white anymore anyway I don't want to use the dies, the matching dies for that look that I am going for so that's why I am only going to use my scissors to cut it out after all that's a very easy image to cut out and finally I am using my figure dabber with Distress Ink all around the edges just to add a touch of shadow which is going to help my shark stand out against my ocean and I think this really looks stunning it's probably my favorite from all the 8 cards that I made today so I am adding some foam squares at the back of my shark I am going to stick him on top of my panel and before that I decided to go ahead and stamp some fish so I have a school of fish there and these both come from the other stamp set the one with the mermaids so I am going to stamp them with Distress Oxide and I wanted to have that faded look as if they are far at the background and again I am using ice spruce and faded jeans and I am going to stamp my fish here and there at the background and now I am happy with how many fish are at my ocean so my shark is not alone I am going to stick him on top and now all that's left to do is to add the sentiment for that I am going to stamp the sentiment from the same stamp set as the shark that says you are Joseph that's such a great card and you can give it to a guy or a girl now I am stamping that with VersaMarketing I have embossed it with white embossing powder and everything on top of black cardstock just because it's going to turn up really bold I have cut it out by using one of the banner sentiments by my favorite things I am adding some foam tape at the back and then I am going to secure that on top of my panel I am going to make sure that I slide it towards one side and I am going to use my scissors to cut out the excess and finally I am going to stick this panel by using foam tape at the back on top of a black card base which helps all those colors to pop even more with this card the more I love it just a great card and we have already reached card number 8 which is the last card for today so now I am working with a mermaids stamp set which is just adorable beautiful designs I have picked up one of the mermaids that I really love and I am going to color here by using my alcohol markers before that I am going to stamp some of the corals and the sea grass just to have some props ready to go for my card now for that I am going to stamp them with VersaMarking and then I am going to emboss them red for the corals and green for the sea grass so before heat setting everything I am going to stamp everything, apply the embossing powders now I am ready to apply the green one put everything back in and of course I have dropped everything outside of the jar but let's say never happened I am going to continue as normal I am going to stamp the skull of fish and I am going to emboss one with yellow and the other one with orange so you see I am working with many different embossing powders but I don't mix up the colors at all now I am going to apply the yellow one put that back on in the jar and then I am going to bring in my heat gun to heat set everything of course cleaning the mess I have colored my mermaid and I am going to give her star shine, I am using my glitter gel pens there and now we will work on my background and I am going to show you a fun technique that you can do which is going to give you a totally different look than the ocean that we did previously so I am going to use the mermaid tail background and I am going to go over it with the large tip of my Nouveau Glupin I am going to apply instead of ink glue I am applying my cardstock on top and quickly taking it off and you can see that I get that beautiful design now I am going to spray my stamp with water and I am going to wash it with warm water and soap and my stamp is not going to be sticky at all, don't be afraid of that and now I am going to do some foiling just because Nouveau glue when it dries becomes sticky it's great for sticking foil on top so we are going to turn this background into a beautiful shiny background so I am going to use these three different colors of foil and of course you can use one color but I just went mud here I just wanted to add everything I had and I am going to make sure that this is nicely stuck on top of my paper I am just using my bone folder there and now I am going to peel off everything and I get a beautiful design I am going to try and catch the light for you so that you can see how lovely this background looks which gives you a totally different ocean background than the one that we have created previously so now I am going to stick everything on top I am going to stick my mermaid by using some foam screws at the back and then I am going to stick all the corals and the sea grasses I stamped U-Arp Amazing from the same stamp set and I am also going to stick down the fish that I have already cut out now I also went all over here and added some glitter with my clear glitter pen and you will see photos at the end where you will see how shiny her tail is now I am going to stick that panel on top of a standard card and I went with white just to bind everything together with a white border around the images and you can see how different those two cards look although they are both pretty much ocean scenes and here are all the 8 cards that I have created for today by using products from the May release by my favorite things and these were the cards for today I hope you had fun and got inspired don't forget to leave me a comment as well as give me thumbs up on my youtube channel let me know which is your favorite card of all the 8 that I have created today don't forget to subscribe if you haven't done so already and also if you need more inspiration click on any of the two videos on your screen right now thank you all for watching


Irina Sabalenka vs. Karolina Pliskova is the second semi-final for the Wimbledon event for 2021. And both players have been very strong to get to the semi-final stage. Pliskova entered the tournament as the number 8 seed and will take on the semi-finals to the French Open, Zed and Shek in the first round. And after a tight first set, Pliskova got through in straight sets 7-5, 6-4. Her second round was against a good grass court player in Vekic, but it didn't seem to bother Pliskova as she won in straight sets 6-2, 6-2. Her third round opponent was against another Czech, a fellow Czech, Martin Kovac. And again, Pliskova wasn't bothered winning in straight sets 6-3, 6-3. Her fourth round opponent was against the wild card and a very informed player on the grass in Sampsonova. We'd actually won a WTA 500 event on the grass courts leading into Wimbledon. But again, Pliskova didn't seem to worry about this as she won in straight sets demolishing the Russian 6-2, 6-3. Her quarter-final opponent was against the Swiss Golebek and again, Pliskova just demolishing her opponent in straight sets 6-2, 6-2. Sabalenka was coming into the tournament as the number two seed and would take on the qualifier Nikolescu in the first round. But Sabalenka was too strong winning in straight sets 6-1, 6-4. Her second round opponent was against the wild card and British local Bolter and after dropping the first set Sabalenka rallied back to win 4-6, 6-3, 6-3. Her third round opponent was another qualifier Serrano and after demolishing Serrano in the first set Sabalenka got the job done in straights, 6-love, 6-3. Her fourth round opponent was the 18-seed Rebakina and this was a very tough battle. Both players with very similar games, big Serbs and big ground strokes and it went the distance with Sabalenka eventually getting through in 3, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3. Her quarter-final opponent was the 21st seed and another really informed player Onstjabor and after a very close first set Sabalenka went on to win in straight sets 6-4, 6-3. These two have actually played twice before with Sabalenka leading the head-to-head 2-0 against Plisková and actually they played on a grass court as well in Eastbourne a couple of years ago with Sabalenka getting that win as well but both the matches they played have been very close with a 7-5 and a 7-6 set in the third set so they've gone the distance the two times they've played. If Plisková is going to win this one she needs to just keep doing what she's doing. She's had a great tournament yet to drop a set at Wimbledon in 2021 so she just needs to keep doing what she's doing, serve big, keep the errors down and make her chances against Sabalenka because we know Sabalenka can get a little fiery so if she keeps her cool Plisková she might be able to get the win. If Sabalenka is going to win she has to keep her cool we know she gets fiery we've just said that but she also can get really really emotional as well and get angry at herself as well so her first semi-final of a major she needs to keep her cool she needs to serve big, hit big and also take her chances. This has three sets written all over it it is a heavyweight clash big hitters two of the biggest hitters on tour and some of the biggest service on tour as well it's going to be a big hitting match a lot of winners I expect for this one let me know down the comments below who do you think is going to win this match is it going to be the experience of Plisková or is it going to be the youth of Sabalenka I'm going to go with Sabalenka to the win this one in three sets I think she's going to beat Plisková just based on her youth. I know Plisková hasn't lost the set but if she does lose the first set Plisková she might get in a little trouble and maybe get a little down on herself and I think Sabalenka's got nothing to lose she'll be aggressive so I'm going to go with Sabalenka for the win in three let me know down in the comments below who do you think is going to win this one


Hello, Guardians and welcome to Snowbreak Containment Zone, so it's going to be a couple of more days before we can get the new update, approximately around 3 days more. We're going to have to review this gun because this gun will play a big part in the incoming Mauser 5 Star, so Shadow Cup. Okay, let's go over the gun. The gun looks very, very nice actually, unique in its own way. Again I like how it's designed for an SMG. Damage type is going to be Chaos Damage, ammo capacity again is at 45 and rate of fire is at 900. So first glance, I want to go back to Mark Serf first and her kit seems a bit more on a supportive roll again, not more of a main DPS, probably secondary DPS if you can have her. Let's go over her weapon skill and try to kind of piece together what this will contribute to her 5 star look. So weapon skill has an increase in max HP that will clearly play a part in you going to be playing her. This one is also nice if you intend to equip this gun with the 4 star version of Mark Serf. So number 2, when the equipping operative enters combat immediately gains certain stacks of advocator, I think this is a multiplier, it gains one stack of advocator each second when less than certain stacks during combat. I don't know what that means but it's more of a stacking of this ability advocator. So during combat, when the equipping operative uses their support skill, take note that this again, this leads more to her being a support operative, full squad gains adherent effect which increases full squad's attack by a certain percentage of equipping operatives load out max HP plus current advocator stacks. So the higher the HP again, the multiplier is actually increased and the current advocator stacks also comes into play. So max HP, advocator stacks will give us certain buffs when you use her support skill. So this is actually nice but again, it's more of, do you need her at this point? Is the buff enough for, is the attack stat multiplier enough for you to get her? That we will see right now, she's gonna be basically more on a supporting role or a sub-DPS again as confirmed. Okay, so let's take a look when adherent is active, deployed operatives crit damage, amplifier increases as well. So I do hope she does have better damage with this gun, adherent cannot be repeatedly gained while active and all advocator stacks are cleared upon finish. If multiple of the same weapon are equipped by the squad, only one effect is triggered obviously because again, it's gonna be, you don't need to compound buffs usually. So this is a gun wherein I think if you're gonna get 5-star Mao, this is gonna make her better. I think she's gonna need a lot of help based on the preview of her skills but we'll have to see when the update drops in 3 days. So more or less this for now, I may say is that it's gonna be recommended or it's gonna be a prerequisite for Mao or Shadowcaw. So that is it guys, we'll see you on the update on November 2. So take care, stay safe, this is The Warden and I'm outta here.


Welcome to the drum history podcast. I'm your host Bart van der Zee and today I'm honored to have back on the show Mr. Mike Johnston Mike welcome. Thank you. Good to be back. Yeah, it's been like two years I mean you were in the first, you know 10 or 15 episodes and we did the history of online drum lessons, which is kind of your your bread and butter with Mike's lessons but Yeah, so today we're gonna do just in general drum lessons, which I think is a super cool topic That was suggested by Martin Novum. I think I'm pronouncing your last name, right? Thank you to Martin for suggesting this episode and on that note Mike, let's jump in and yeah Why don't you go ahead and teach us about the history of drum lessons man? It's it's one of those things that right when you think about anyone acquiring a skill You have to think that as soon as that skill is acquired then that skill is ready to be taught to someone else and So we can assume that in the history of drums Dating back to people banging on things that it was taught to other people the rhythms the traditional rhythms all of that stuff So I think if we're looking for forms of education And that's what you and I have discussed is in the past about like what a cool topic that would be In forms of education we have to start at in-person lessons because that would have been the first way This would have been done in and that would be with any skill Yeah, and so when you have in-person private drum lessons one-on-one I'm passing on information to you and a skill set to you That has its own pros and cons. I mean all of these have ups and downs all of these have things It's like oh, that's the best way to go Except for this except for this and I think that that becomes such a cool topic because people like me that are obsessed with education we're always trying the best trying to find the best way to pass on that information to someone else and I got to say that I would assume by the end of this podcast We'll wrap all the way back to the beginning which is in-person lessons So I think the first thing that would have happened before published books and obviously before the digital world Would be in-person private lessons on the instrument and I think it's probably safe for us to just do this Coming from the drum set perspective instead of cavemen hitting random skinned instruments No, I think I think totally and I think that's You know before that and and a lot of it maybe we can kind of just like Assume that a lot of the lessons that would have happened Before kind of our modern in-person drum set would have been you were taught via the military Yeah, this seems like a safe assumption from what I've learned over the years of doing the show is You know, it's you're taught the snare drum for a reason Or in other cultures, maybe you're you know, it's it's traditional music and you're playing and like a pub or in you know At a party quote-unquote yeah, I think that you know the function Was a big thing, you know, what are you doing this for it wasn't the modern day of like oh I play drums because I dig them, you know, it was like I'm doing this to go along with this traditional dance or this traditional ceremony So going from those but if we consider like modern-day Private drum lessons They wouldn't have been that different even a hundred years ago You would have had to either go to someone's house or a music store And you would have had to sit down and take a one-on-one private lesson now The pros the positive side of that is the I think the biggest one is that it's personalized when someone writes a book It's not personalized. It's general But if I walk into a room to take a lesson with somebody Hopefully as long as they're doing their job, right? They're going to be creating the education specifically for me And my desires on the instrument so getting Personalized instruction is a massive plus the other thing is you have someone in the room watching you mess up that can correct it in the moment instead of Submitting a video and then waiting two weeks for someone to get back to you in the moment They can even and I don't mean this in like a Whiplash kind of way, but they can grab your wrists and turn them over a little bit Yeah, and I remember I still remember being a kid and having my teacher grab my hand and turn it over and just that feeling of like Some another human being like no do it like this that stuck with me forever Yeah, so that is amazing and the other thing that never gets talked about enough But as someone that taught private lessons from the age that I was 17 and from 5 until 17 I took them and then I taught from 17 on The teacher becomes a life counselor to the student because the teacher is the one person that is removed from their Social circle so the student who's going through whatever it is in their life whether they're a kid or adult They have this person they can tell their problems to and that teacher can't spread the rumors It can't turn into drama because they don't know anybody So that's one thing that you know You get out of private lessons as you get a bit of a life coach Get someone in the room to correct you and you get personalized instruction You're absolutely right and and I just have like a funny thing that happened because I I mean you're obviously on another Planet from what I was doing But so I taught at Sam Ash for a while and I taught private and then at another store here and I guess my Specialty would be working with really young kids not as much like shredding like let's go You know rip through a bunch of books and stuff It was like getting kids to really like the drums Yeah, and I had a little kid and you know, I won't name him obviously but he They were the dad was from another country where I believe it was a little stricter on the kids I think that's fair to say But the kid the young five-year-old would very often just kind of like talk to me and tell me stuff and like you said It's like a psychiatrist kind of thing almost but one time he said my dad told me to grow a pair What does that mean? And I was like, oh man talk to your mom. I'm not I'm not getting into that. I don't I don't want Sam Ash to come after me But yeah, but that that is such a normal part of being a private drum instructor is that You're you are the person that they can go to and just say like look I have no one else to talk to about this stuff and you know, you can also and that the problem is You can't step in and be their parent because they already have parents and so you just have to kind of be there for them and listen As much as possible But I think that that's that is one of the few things that I never hear mentioned and I think like man, even so my last private instructor that I was actually in the room with was Peter Mangadini and That was just such a blessing because he's just a legend in the world of education And I would drive two hours to go have my lessons with him and we would be in his basement And I was in my 20s. So I wasn't a kid, but I was able to tell him. Hey You know how I'm touring and I have this record deal Something doesn't feel right and he was the first person to tell me Education can be your plan a you just have to choose it Yeah, and to have somebody say that to you when you think like I don't want to admit that I don't enjoy the rock star lifestyle To have somebody believe in me and say look man, you're you're meant for this thing I don't know where my career would be if I didn't have an in-person life coach at that moment To say those things. Absolutely. He was on the I probably should have sent this to you before he was on the show From when we were recording this a couple weeks ago like a month or two. Oh, really?  No, no, he was super proud of you obviously, but yeah, that was another suggested episode by someone but um, I agree completely where you can like it's almost like a It's just like someone who's been down the road before and can and can kind of steer you in the right direction But I think maybe that brings up the the point of but a bad teacher can really affect things negatively as well Right. So so and you know for the the downside of private instruction I Think the biggest downside is that you are limited to the people in your local area and we don't all live in San Francisco LA Atlanta New York London where there's top-level pros and That's I think why you see the success of books eventually later later in the timeline the success of drum clinics drum touring Even online lessons That's because when it comes to private lessons Whoever works at your local store.  I was five years old My mom got me drum lessons and whoever the teacher was at the store that was closest to us That was going to be my new life coach and it didn't go well for like the first three teachers I wasn't clicking with the people and I had the jazz teacher that told me the only way to play is like this And it was you know, I was like, God, this doesn't really Sit well with me that I'm I'm trying to get better in an art form And you're telling me that it's the military that there's rules and it has to be done this way And so I think that that can be a bad side of in-person lessons the other thing is that and this is something you'll know from Sam Ash and Either positive or negative But you are also limited to how much the store or the school supports their lesson program So you might go to an amazing store that has killer gear But because of where they chose to have their location, you don't get to take lessons on a drum set you have to take it on pads or an electric kit and So that's another really bad part about this is like, oh man I signed up for this instrument that's supposed to be loud and bombastic And I've never played one because I don't own one and the place I take lessons doesn't have one exactly Yeah, really and that's kind of like the the old like but and the likelihood of like a Student to be like who's like 10 to be like all right. Well, maybe it was a bad teacher. Let me try again They might be like, well, you know what? I'm gonna go play soccer Totally, and you put that in my mind a long time ago that like our biggest enemy is like kids playing football Yeah, and play station and everything else they could choose instead of this instrument. Yeah, and so I think that that's why You know, I've hosted teacher camps at my studio in the past where I'm teaching other teachers And I think that they're always waiting for this thing where like I give them the breakthrough information like oh if you just tell a student this they'll practice more and it's like That's not how it works. You need to truly have a desire to pass on information to someone else and Treat it as an art form if you want to do this Otherwise you might be the person that stops this boy or girl from actually moving forward with this instrument And so, you know, even though in the end I think there's no Substitution for in-person private lessons and that would have been our first form of drum set lessons It's still not perfect because there's the human element of it. Yeah Yeah, that's very true and I should have said this at the beginning I You know, I meant to but obviously I think most people know I kind of skipped it because I think everyone out There kind of knows who Mike is but obviously Mike Johnston is an educator and clinician and runs Mike's lessons calm Which is kind of one of the I would say the top online drum Platforms basically I as far as you know, I'll say I think you were a pioneer in that field and Mike also has a Podcast which is great called called drum with Mike and Eddie, which is a Eddie thrower So I'm gonna say that 14 minutes into this thing I highly appreciate it man Anyway now back on to it. So yeah, so starting off in-person drum lessons Which I'm assuming that would have happened for a while before anything switched technology wise. They weren't doing zoom lessons 1905 No, they were trying but they just weren't able to make it all work out with the networks So yeah, I think the next thing you're gonna start seeing I mean obviously is going to be drum books and that's gonna be this Collection of the information that would have been taught in the private lessons now in the drum book world One thing that you will notice if you start buying old books and let's just say so that everyone can relate There's a million old drum books out there, but most people that have studied the instrument are familiar with stick control and syncopation and if you've bought either of those books and studied out of them You'll you'll notice something right away Those books were meant to be accompanied with another human being a drum teacher So there's very little text It's just all pages of exercises because they were written so that you'd be in a room with your teacher and the teacher would take you through them A lot of times nowadays when people are start drums someone will randomly tell them Well, you have to have stick control and syncopation There's no faster way to get someone to quit the drums than buying those two books without a teacher Because they don't tell you anything they weren't meant they were meant to be accompanied with private lessons So in the drum book era when that starts to come into play The the thing that you're getting there is this massive collection of information to know Okay, I paid 17 dollars or whatever it would have been at the time And now I have the next four years of my life figured out as long as I keep taking these private lessons and What happens is with books like that you're getting A million lessons per page the amount of things I could tell one student to do with summary number one of syncopation I mean, it's it's a lifetime study. Yeah And so there's things like that and there there was also obviously All of the snare solo books coming out at that time That were very precise But I think that one thing that books gave us Was it was our first chance for teachers to step into The spotlight a little bit because in the past, you know up until the books started hitting the printing press Either you're on or a hit record or you're not but there's no way to legitimize that you're a player and that you're a drummer As soon as you have a book I walk into a music store and I see The name George Lawrence Stone. I see the name Jim Chapin Freddie Gruber whoever it is.  Yeah has to be smart. Yeah has to be smart Yeah, and I want to throw it out there too that so, um, I did an episode with uh, mark beacher about the history of rudimental drumming and we talked a lot about This is different. This is going to more of what I was saying about the military and the rudimental stuff Some of these books that were like the first documented like, uh Literally music goes back to like the 1200s and the 1600s. So I think that's a separate conversation. We're more talking about like modern like like you said stick control like drum Modern education really, you know, so I mean the way the thing is I think that that's what's important And I'm glad you brought that up But it's important for people to realize that if you went to take a drum lesson at your local Sam Ash right now It's really not that different that it would than it would have been in the early 1900s there would be a human being hopefully one or two drum sets in the room And there would have been this moment where you guys sit, you know Face to face with a practice pad in between you and you start working on drums and life at the same time And so that's kind of where I'm starting this whole thing It's from that.  I don't think so life. I think it was just Living their daily life Yeah, yep. Um, okay. Yeah. So anyway books, um, okay So from there, I think that you know as far as what they gave us amazing and we still use them today The only problem with books by themselves like I said is you can go home Buy a book and they're not generally instruction manuals and at the time they were not being accompanied with any audio So you just had a book and assuming you're starting out Well, how do you learn to read a type of language notation? When you don't know how to read it there's it's really hard to do that. And so even though yes stick control or Uh, or syncopation could be one of your first books But imagine somebody telling you to get advanced techniques for the modern drummer by jim chapein and you haven't played yet And it's like yes, this is a fine beginning jazz book But beginning jazz is advanced drumming. So We're already we're already needing that in person Lesson type of thing. So I think that books on their own Are not like the answer But they were great supplements to in person private lessons the next thing that I was shocked how prevalent this was But somebody sent me one of my students sent me this huge box of lps From like, I mean, I think from like the 40s and 50s and these were full on drum lesson records I didn't even know that that was a thing. That's awesome Yeah, I mean incredible and it was like It was so funny you'd open up the lp jacket And the notation was on the inside or it might come with an insert and it has one piece of Paper now the thing that I love about that Which obviously leads us eventually into the world of books with cds and books with tapes, but the lp education delivery system Now you're actually getting education from some of the greatest players in the world And that is Something that just cannot be overlooked because like I said if you're if you're in a small village and no one plays the drums But you've heard the drums on the radio You don't have the option to learn really. I mean you might not even have a music store within a hundred miles You don't have any teachers. Well now through this lp or through this album You can get drum lessons from Jim Chapin, you know as a 20 year old stud and he's going one one one one and doing his whole thing And it's it's just it's just mind-blowing and the fact that it's coming with notation And now that you're hearing this thing so imagine staring down at the notation and it doesn't make sense But whoever the the instructor is let's assume it's Jim Chapin He's walking you through it on the drum set and you're starting to fill in the blanks in your mind of what's actually happening And I think the other thing that's so great about audio without video Is that it does force you to close your eyes and imagine is that a 12 inch tom? Is it high tuned? Uh, was that too tall, you know and all of that stuff. I think is great practice for any Student is to imagine what's actually happening Yeah, and then you have to like I mean it's just before Like I was just doing an episode about gene krupa that hasn't come out yet about a new book And it's like people couldn't go to instagram and look at it You'd have to either go out and you're you'd stare at the the actual like album Cover and you just you know drool over it. So it's just a lot more early And that's the thing is like on an album cover You can't take your index finger and your thumb and zoom in on it Like whatever you can see is what you can see and I think that those That is something that we're missing now and I definitely don't want to sound like the old get off my lawn guy But there is something special about active listening putting on a set of headphones or in your monitors Laying your head down on the pillow and closing your eyes and imagining what was happening whether it's with An album of music or with education I can tell you right now I've probably heard david garibaldi's Tape and cd that came with future sounds More than any tower of power record. I listened to that in my car I listened to it on runs and they're like and now number 46 46 is the jam That's so cool.  Like I'm sure there's like cooking albums Where people describe recipe. I'm sure there's all kinds of weird stuff. I think that that's I think because of my age I I missed out on the The lp world it was something that my parents had them And it was uncool to have them as a kid because we wanted to have tapes and then eventually obviously see these And so I missed out on that and that's why just like you said when When I got the albums from my student I was like, oh my god, of course, of course they would have done this but Whether it's cooking or comedy or drum instruction You can't have an album unless you tracked an album. So that means that some drum instructor went into the studio got mic'd up And I mean must have had just a pile of notes and like the producers, you know going like, all right, jim Give me a exercise 42 Like that's so amazing to just visualize that actually happening. Yeah, that's an interesting That that process. Yeah, the other thing is To have an album And a book at the same time or whatever You have to actually be able to play this stuff because you have to record it To become the audio example for the rest of the world of how exercise 7 is done And so the amount of pressure that would have been on these cats to be legit session cats And be like, okay. Well, I can write the notation I mean, I can write books that I that I wouldn't be able to play for the next 20 years But I would never put them out because I know that it's disingenuous the fact that I can't play that stuff So these guys are writing all their exercises down and then having to go into the studio and track it and say, okay That's the way to do it. I'm I wrote the book and I'm telling you how to do it And I think that that's Something that you know a lot of educators are educators because maybe they do have a little bit of Stage fright when it comes to either touring or even session playing but these cats had to do both. It's pretty amazing Yeah, and I'm sure some people listening to the show are thinking what I'm thinking where There was an episode about max abrams who was a you know top level british drum teacher and Neil wilkinson who's a stud mega drummer in england was talking about his lessons with him and he said what what max would do is record Individual lessons for each student each week on a reel-to-reel and play it back and then leave the room So you'd be listening to a lesson that max recorded For you for that week saying like hey mike. Okay this week. I don't think he was that nice I heard he was pretty right rough, but he'd say hey mike this week you're gonna do He would say you're gonna do paradiddles. Okay. Let's do it and then um, he he talked about how he would like He he would pop in every once in a while and like check in on you and say oh you missed number 14 But he said later on he found out in actuality. He was just coming in randomly to make you think he was outside the door He was actually outside like cleaning his car and stuff of course during that's hardcore That's the next level when you're so amazing. You don't have to be in the room But still to your point. I mean that is what youtube became for me It was recording lessons for my students when I couldn't make it to their lesson Yeah, and then putting it up on this website. And so I think that Drum educators have always and educators in general have always tried to find A path that allows technology to help them deliver that information better And that's where you know if we think about the the downside of the lp you've got Very limited ability for notation because like I said, I mean they when I got these things They had like maybe 10 to 15 exercises Printed inside the jacket or with an insert and the reason why they had so few exercises is because the vinyl Can only take 15 to 20 minutes per side depending on How high the quality was of the recording sure so you can only do so much So it's a very limited thing And that's why I think the biggest breakthrough in education After that was once we got drum books That came with cds or cassettes in the jacket like you know in the pressing And that was a whole different level because now with cds We've got you know one or two cds coming with the book And we've got everything we need like that at least for me because that was definitely my generation That became the no excuses era Like yeah, you heard it you heard david gearbalty play it you read it He wrote a bunch of words that told you what to do For sure if you can't do it. It's on you Yeah, and just the reading of the book. I think we're all guilty of that. I should say I'm guilty of it Where it's like, uh, yeah, oh no, I didn't read the beginning of the book and it's like well You kind of missed the point of it And I think another thing to keep in mind with all of this is like it's just cool to to to think how popular culture Dictates what's going on in the lessons because a lot of times of course the student is going to want to go in the 60s Like I want to play like ringo. It's Just cool to think that because I think that happens now where kids I would always have kids come in who'd be like You know, I want to play imagine dragons and it was like yeah, all right, whatever Well, no, but the music is the gateway to the education. I have you have to tell me What you wish you could do and let's say you say I want to learn tom Sawyer by rush Yeah, then I can show you Okay, here are the technical elements that allow that type of drumming to be possible And you don't possess those elements right now, which is fine.  We have to learn that. I can't just teach you rush or you know I mean and I was in the same boat as you teaching around the same era where people would come in and just Lesson two they bring in their tool CD and I was like I was like dog I have all the faith in your potential but Uh, no, but but the thing is like I would never say no It's it's obviously just like you said like ringo and the beetles and imagine dragons and whatever It's like I don't get to tell you what you like. I just need to take what you like And turn those into lessons so that you know when I'm spoon feeding you vegetables Those vegetables are getting you closer to your eventual eventual dessert and they're getting you Closer to unlocking doors and that's where a lot of drum teachers unfortunately go wrong Is they say well to be a drummer you have to have these skills But they never explain them in the moment and when I'm on a boring rubber pad and you're just telling me I have to do it I really wish you would get some sort of visual aid or jump on the kit and Play something amazing and say just so you know that was just the inverted paradiddle And then I'm in then I'm like oh my god, uh, I'm gonna obsess over that thing You know, I mean having as as a teacher that also worked in a store in a retail shop When I was 17 too I remember just having one guy come in he sat down to test test out some kits He was checking out like a premier genista and he just Played this amazing halftime shuffle and to be honest at 17. I didn't know about fool in the rain I didn't know about uh, you know all the Like peg and uh, what's steely dan stuff. I didn't know about any of that And I just remember asking the other older drummers that were there behind the counter with me like What was that thing that just happened and I'm like dude, it's a halftime shuffle You tell me you've never heard rosanna. I was like god. No, I don't even know what that is. Yeah And so it's like though to me that's where education No matter how it's presented it almost has to start with that Moment of the student going like what is that? And then the teacher gets to reverse engineer it and say, okay Just so you know, there's a lot of things leading up to that and I think that cds LPs coupled with either private education or with Books that's what it took for me. I mean, can you imagine reading future sounds and never hearing david gary baldy play And never hearing tower of power like with no reference Those are the most randomly syncopated grooves ever But when I put that red cassette, I think it came with a red and a blue cassette when I first got it When I put that into my boombox I I just like I said, it was a hit album for me I I listened to those things on loop all day long and I couldn't get enough of it I put it in my sony walkman and walk around listening to those grooves and and then the notation came to life Yeah, that's where the obsession Absolutely starts and something you said before about the kid coming in and wanting to play something and go and go You know tom soyer and play really hard or I'm gonna play tool It made me think I was taking guitar lessons as a kid and My from a guy who taught my brother my brother's best friend my best friend who I played in bands with forever And I was like kind of noodling on the guitar I could play some chords and I said, all right When do I get when do I learn how to shred? I want to shred, right? Yeah, and he just laughed and he told my brother He told my friend oh, no everyone and was like making fun of me to other students And I was like, whoa, what the hell dude like yeah, that's that's in confidence Like seriously, yeah, I mean that's the thing is we have to as educators support Whatever their initial dream is instead of thinking about what their dreams will be 10 years from now like At five and six I had no desire to know who buddy rich was or gene krupa or chick web It was like look the new poison album just dropped. It's amazing ricky rocket is a god I wanted to rocky rocket. Yeah. Yeah, and and so and and that's the thing is like When I watch my students have heroes And I know that Like oh man, you don't even know who dave weckel or viny caliuta is I that's not the time the time is is to be like Thank god for whoever your idol is because that's the only reason you're in this room You know and that's what's insane about people Dogging out popular drummers that aren't in the you know clinic uber drummer world It's like that drummer is saving our industry. Why do you think anyone plays? They don't play because of weckel and viny in the first place They play because of of like you said they play because of ringo They play because of travis barker and exactly less love and so I think it's Our job is educators My bad for going on a tangent, but it's our job to encourage that and be like that's amazing I don't care who your idol is if if if they got you in this room Grand now let me reverse engineer what makes them special so that I can get you playing your first blink song or your first beatle song Absolutely quest love. I was just watching Sesame street with my soon to be two year old and quest love was on Dave grohl was on and I'm just like man exactly like here it is like, you know, he's a two And there's quest love Yeah, and that's that's such a beautiful thing and I think we have to celebrate The people that got us to the drum set in the first place like it really bums me out when people say What do you think of and it's like well here it comes you're gonna ask me about a famous drummer But not famous in the drumming community. I mean famous overall. You're gonna ask me about tommy lee You're gonna ask me about larry's orage and it's like I think That our industry wouldn't exist without those people. Exactly. Why would you start playing drums without them? And I wasn't kidding about the ricky rocket thing I mean I wrote a letter to ricky when I was five years old Telling him that he was the greatest drummer to ever live my grandma mailed it to him It's a poison's pr department and you know, I mean and even still when I see ricky walking around at nam I can't help the I don't think like oh my gosh. I can't believe I looked up to that guy I think that totally opposite. I'm like dude. Thank you for being around And being so cool in those mtv videos Because I wouldn't have played without it. Yeah No, that's 100 true and that's a pretty good segue into the next line on your timeline here of videotapes and dvds because a big part of this is you see these guys it just draws you in that much more so Obviously, I love that you wrote that on here. I mean this technology of doing drum videos didn't exactly go back I mean it it as technology changes then The delivery system for lessons obviously changes and that was a big one That was that was the most groundbreaking thing ever because like you said, we finally got to see these people play and you know, I remember Originally, I was when I was working at this music store. We were carrying videos from dci And that's and the dci sales rep would come in and say, all right What do you want to order and we'd be like, all right We need 200 of the chad smith one because everyone buys it. Yep and whatnot But I remember just always asking Do you have the dci sample tape and that would be five minutes of every single video they offered for drums? Yeah, and I would watch that thing back to front over and over and over again and and seeing You know things that just were like really hard for me to put into my like when we were talking about Imagining what the drummer is doing and then I would see the video of that person teaching. I was like Wait, he's left. He's open-handed Well, no wonder why his fills sound like that. Okay. This is starting to make a little more sense and yeah, like, oh, okay That tom is way smaller than i keep cranking my 12 But I think that person's got a 10 which I didn't even know you could get with your pearl export at the time I had to get my ad on and so that the thing that we could now Go into our local music shop and buy a 20 or 30 or 40 dollar videotape And we had two hours of education to watch the video and then run out to the garage and play our kit and come back And try to emulate what our heroes were doing It was just incredible and some of the videos were not overly educational It was just our first time seeing it, you know, we would see Dennis chambers playing with uh john scofield and Just or was it sco or uh, maybe it was john mclaughlin. But anyways, um, you know, we would see that stuff And it's like, okay, it wasn't a ton of education But it was education because I finally got to see Not only do you get to see the drummer, but the problem is up until then, you know, if you're watching ringo Play on tv on the ed Sullivan show You're seeing a band be filmed. This is our first time seeing a drummer be filmed without a band And we have angles.  I mean What's just the production value went up and and a lot of them I mean a lot of them are like you said less Educational of here's how you play it.  Did you get it? Okay, cool Right. Yeah. Well, and then you're back to your imagination of like, okay I got to figure this out because it didn't come with notation. They didn't really explain it and It also started the video world started to separate Players from educators, right?  I can't explain anything and so then it became more of a performance style video and then we also got people that we'd never heard of Breaking things down on a level where it's like, okay.   They're expensive I remember them being and I when I was I was I think About 16 or 17 and I worked at guitar center in the drum department and it was just like I just have this like You know, there's always a drum tape playing on that like 14 inch tv that's hanging and there's just a certain like smell Of just like guitar center in the carpet and like but the tape would just play all day Um, yeah, and it just puts you in that those days are those days are not It's just different now It's different and that's I think that that's the history of drum education and the history of education in general But is that we're always trying to evolve And people are trying to take advantage of the technology, but in a race to take advantage of the technology there are subtleties that can can get lost sometimes and You know, all of a sudden, I mean, you know, I don't want to jump too far forward but yeah, so many of us have become amateur cinematographers and We have to be we're videographers cinematographers lighting directors. We're the whole production crew that I know for me for my age i'm 44 and my dream was to have Whether it's you know, dci early on and then eventually Hudson and how Leonard and all those companies to have them Make a dvd. I wanted a dvd Of me teaching that was always my dream and it was kind of like unfortunately my notoriety as an educator Just happened in the wrong time Like I was five years too late with my development And by the time those companies were offering me the chance to do dvds. It was like honestly guys I can do this on my own now Yeah, i'm not getting anything out of it, but Man, I mean even the the most modern dvds that we can think of when that was starting to run out You've got jojo mayors Modern tech secret weapons. Yeah. Yeah videos. Yeah Um, I think still probably the most impactful dvd in my life Later on as a as a as a pro drummer that was still buying dvds was Definitely Todd Suckerman's methods and mechanics Um, that was just a game changer. That was the first time anyone shed real light On the fusion chops in the fusion licks that we had heard forever And he was like, oh that thing it's called a blushta Here's 40 variations, you know, it's like, oh my god, this is amazing. No one talks about this stuff. This is great Um, you know, and then the production level that benny grebb went to in his first language of drumming video It was like everyone kind of knew that this thing was coming to an end And they were in this race to have it stamped forever as like, okay Let's go as big as we can because eventually this will be gone Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I mean it's just like Like you said documenting it so it and that's the cool thing too is like you get to see Greg Bissonette with his big hair on one of the dci videos it lives forever and you can play like that, but it's not So I guess this is a pro and con of being like, you know the sign of the times of like, oh, I want to play like You know this like ricky rocket like Yes, it's very like 80s and 90s-ish, but you can still take lessons From it and when I post these videos on on instagram, I mean there's still so much good stuff in every single one You can find something good. Oh my gosh. I mean, you know, I'm I don't I've said it before but I don't follow a lot of drum accounts just because at some point I just Mentally couldn't handle it like waking up to 90 people that could Play circles around me every morning wasn't really good for my mental health But I still follow your account And it's one of the few drum things that pop up in my feed every day because It is a reminder of you know what that's actually not outdated at all You know like in science when somebody says like well Our son is the center of the universe. It's like well, you're actually you're factually wrong that that's not correct anymore But that the the drum information. I'm like god that still holds true right now I mean, there's you know, I think about like The last maybe 10 things that I've taught in a clinic I bet almost all of them can be traced back to something. I saw on a dci video that I eventually just Grew into my own thing, but they were they're not original concepts It's actually really frequent somebody will come to me be like, oh, yeah, that thing you taught I remember that was like an old Who's john melton campstrummer? Kenny, yeah Like oh, that's an old Kenny Arnoff thing and I think like the first thing it pops in my head is like Well, I did have that videotape when I was eight So there's a good chance that like that was my you know, those were my bedtime stories I was just listening to kenny talk about like dynamics and stuff and so That stuff doesn't go out of date. It takes you five seconds to get over rod morgan steen's hair Um, and then be like this dude's kind of badass. He's a monster dropping knowledge bombs left and right Yeah, okay, and so I think that you know on the historical timeline Video tapes and dvds massively huge and I also don't think that it's fair to Mention tapes and dvds without mentioning the modern drummer festival because those tapes and dvds Were as educational as anything else even though they were mostly performance based We never were let in on drum festivals before and we I mean most drummers didn't even know that festivals Were a thing. Maybe we knew that clinics existed, but we didn't know that there was this time where 10 of the greatest drummers on the planet Were in a room together and they all got 45 minutes on stage and for md to let us into that world I mean that was I really just can't even think anything Other than my own birthday and Christmas that I looked forward to as much as the next md festival dvd Or or videotape being released. Yeah, that was you know, I would save for that because it's like well I have to have it I'm about to see a 12 year old Tony Royster followed by exactly this new guy that's doing left foot clave named Horacio Hernandez And then they're backstage hanging out with, you know, Roy Haynes and and and then Jim Chapin walks over with a pad It's like, oh my god. This is amazing Yeah, that Tony Royster jr. One from what is it 98 or it's it's back there like 97 98 ripping that off of like Morpheus or kaza one of those like like Torrenting sites and then just watching that so much Just you see where you like like I just remember down here There's a little bit of a tail of the previous segment and then it goes to the next one it cuts off and it was like I didn't know for like 10 years what that was from when I was a kid I was like, what is this from and then of course I learned like md fest man. It's crazy Yeah, and I mean I think that It's funny when you see a kid do something As insane as it was somehow is more tangible to me than watching Dennis do the same stuff I I kind of thought like I think I can do that and and because of the way he tuned and the way that Obviously as we're talking about this timeline Not only is the video quality Getting better and we're getting, you know, jib arms and boom cams and everything. Yeah But we're also getting better audio and the clarity in Tony's playing and his tuning and the kit he chose I remember like I can actually hear I can't do it But I can hear exactly what he's doing and now I can go in the garage and practice and then like I said Then Horacio came up and it wasn't like I had to think Is that guy playing like a does he have a percussionist? I could see like oh his left foot is playing an effing clave. Oh my god Which was mind-blowing at the time and by the way effing stands for freaking just to be clear To all the children listening out there. So yeah, so I think that that has to be mentioned too with that because that was such a Big thing, you know, as soon as someone in your neighborhood of drummer buddies got the md fest It was like, all right. I'll be over at your house. Like we're watching it from start to finish So really big thing and then obviously that's kind of leading us into more of our Modern world, you know of current drum clinics drum festivals drum camps and that type of thing Yeah, absolutely, which you are, you know, uh, there's there's other people who do it Obviously, but you're one of the guys with uh, which again set up before we talked about it in an episode with mike um a couple years ago, which is I think it's like episode 14 or 12 or it's it's back there but um the online drum lessons which it's sort of like It's sort of like bringing these drum videos to life and and now 2020 slash 2021 when we're recording this when It's one of the most bizarre times in uh human history. It's kind of cool. You get the chance to Your drum videos are coming to life and you can work with some of your favorite people just with zoom lessons because everyone needs Work, you know, I mean they're they're all doing yeah, well the one thing that I think is a big difference between online lessons And say a dvd. Let's say that I've got the exact same cameras. I've got the same jibs same lighting as a dvd The biggest difference in my mind between modern online lessons and a dvd If the video in the end is going to look the same the difference is We have access to the people making these videos now like you can dm me and say Man, I really wish that video would have a foot cam and I can say oh great the next one will You just had an impact on the education because now you have access to me 24 7 Whether it be through my website or through social media and I think that that Like you said it brings it to life. It's almost interactive because sometimes we're doing live streams We do like for a week on mics lessons.com and then we have Obviously the pre-recorded stuff, but if somebody comes to me and says Man that it's kind of weird that you have a foot speed course and no foot cam. It's like, all right I'll just go refilm it no big deal like you can have a major impact on somebody's education Educational content now as a fan. So I think that that's really important The downside of online lessons as someone that does it for a living is once again, you're not in person and I've had to put a ton of work into solving the fact that I can't see you play because we have too many students To do it in like a zoom setting. So it is even our live broadcast. You're in a chat room Interacting. So my wife is keeping track of all of that and she's asking your questions, but I'm not seeing you play So eventually we actually had to add The student upload page to the website where you actually do we have our own version of youtube Basically, like you're uploading your videos to our servers And then I have to film a response to every single one of those and that's my chance to see you play So I think that online lessons are great once again, just like you said in the age of covid What's great even though it's such a tragic situation is that some of our Greatest drummers on the planet who honestly never had time to to be educators because they're too busy touring and recording Well, now they're at home and they do have time and and you get a chance to Talk to them and to take a one-on-one skype lesson with your heroes like Yeah, man, you know when somebody when one of my students says like, hey uh on a canillus is giving online skype lessons next week But I can't really afford to do your stuff in hers. I'm like, are you kidding unsubscribe from my site now immediately Go do it. If she's your hero. This is your chance like go for it And you know and I got to say as someone that still has drum heroes As much as I would love to take a drum lesson with my heroes God to be so I think it's so much more important to spend that time in a one-hour conversation Yeah, you know because the thing is is like honestly no matter how great they are They're going to give you drumming advice like oh you should turn your left hand over and it's like anyone can tell you that What anyone can't tell me is Hey, Dave Weckel, what were you listening to when you were 17? Because at 44 I'm almost to your level of where you were when you were 17 So I don't want to know what you were listening to now. You you and I are in different places I want to know what you were listening to when you were at my level Who were your influences at my level and you know, those are the types of things I think people can take advantage of right now for however long this lasts Yeah, and I think that's both A pro and a con. I think the pro is like like you said just talking to these people It's great But I think you need to go into a lesson kind of expecting that because I've done some online lessons where like I went into it expecting like um We're going to do it. We're going to work through chops We're going to do this like I wanted to work on my reading more and it was like An hour in it was like I haven't even played yet and Now I know more what to expect you you just need to Manage your expectations and kind of know what you're looking for so you you get out of it. That's where in person is just I mean in Obviously, I know you you were the king of it and you you love doing it But there's nothing like someone like you said grabbing your hand and turning a little bit and being like oh Okay, that feels better. That'll help me for the next 20 years that one little movement, you know, bro I had no doubt that around the 50 minute mark. We would be exactly where we started on the two minute mark Nothing it's gotta replace in person lessons, you know, I think that Everything has its benefits for sure and I am I mean If you could spend one day at my studio, you would know how obsessed I am with just trying to make the online Education thing as personal as possible. I'm literally pouring through all of their accounts because they all upload their their Their kits to their profile picture and everything Pouring through their accounts so I can memorize their configurations and their setups and when my wife says you know Derek Gurley has a question I can immediately see His kit and his toms and his zildjian symbols And that he's gone to coated heads like I I want to make it as personal as possible But but the reason why I still have drum camps is because It's unfortunately, it's not it's not in person. I mean, you know, I think When you think about drum camps Which is another form of education that probably started in the last I've done it for 10 years and I know thomas lang was doing his drum bonanza or big bonanza or whatever it's called He was doing hit or no, I think actually it was it wasn't called It was his boot camps thomas was doing his boot camps before I was doing My camps and I've been doing camps for 10 years So the reason I still do them Is because I need to lab This educational stuff that I'm putting online like I think it's working I'm pretty sure it's working but until you're in here in person And I can see oh man, I must have skipped a step because you did my entire You know independence course Yet you can't keep time with your left foot to a basic rock track.  It's like, oh go to a drum camp Wait till eight drummers in a room watch you try something It's way worse than a show. You'll never be nervous in your band again if you come to a camp So I think that that's you know Where we're at right now after everything that our You know heroes in this industry did for us from the early 1900s of just in-person lessons up to books Then books and audio and LPs and then eventually drum videos and drum DVDs And DVDs had extras and we got even more to the world of online lessons. I still think it's it's pretty cool that the world wants camps clinics and drum festivals to come back because there's just nothing like Sitting, you know 10 feet away from Chad Smith playing a chili peppers groove and feeling the air come out of his bass drum port That's I can't do that online. Yeah, and just like hanging out all day I mean, I remember the last basic it was like it was almost a thing where it was like so tired Because I mean there was a thing the night before where all these drummers were playing and it was great But it was like I don't want to go back to my hotel But it's like it's almost just fun to just kind of be like sitting around Not bored, but you're just like eating some crappy pizza and you're just like around a bunch of drummers and it's like It's like three in the afternoon, but there's like I wouldn't now I want that more than anything Yeah, I mean, I think that we overlook the fact That drummers acquire a hidden language that the rest of the world doesn't have access to and we really actually have our own vernacular And we don't have a chance to use it in day-to-day conversation with non musicians and non drummers So to sit around a table eating pizza and to talk about bearing edges reso heads You know Coated versus clear nylon tip versus wood tip all these things that are trapped inside us And we finally get to express that with people I mean, that's that's why the drumming community is has always been so beautiful and is something that Is so different than even the rest of the art community or the music community I mean there's the things that we do for drums and that we have for drums They don't have that for harmonica. There's no harmonica festival. There's no harmonica history podcast There's no There's no accordion clinic tours There should be but there aren't and it's like the drum community supports that stuff and It's insane when i'm over in a in another country doing a clinic tour The people that come out there They're just so relieved to be in a room with other people that get it They're in a room with a bunch of Kids adults men and women that take this frustrating instrument really seriously And finally they're all laughing it at the same jokes, you know and yeah because they get it They've all been there before trying to do this thing where You're trying to put the bass drum in between the hi-hat notes as a as a young drummer And no matter where your bass drum goes your right hand goes and you just can't separate those two limbs And we all get it because we've all been there before so yeah I think that what has happened and what has transpired over the last hundred years of drumming education Is the fact that we have made the community the priority and that's why We have things like online drum lessons drum clinics drum camps and drum festivals I agree a hundred percent. I mean it's a special Community and and i'm i'm excited to see where it goes which leads us to kind of your last point here of What is the future?  From here. Yeah, it's it's a great question And I think obviously Being an amateur futurist is something that every entrepreneur has to be if they want to Not just have their moment, but stay in business for a long time. I thought it was going to be apps because I Created an app for one of my books so appifying a book I thought like okay everything I wished a book could do Let's do that in an app. So if we have a groove What if you just hit a simple button and you separated that groove Into the limbs and and now instead of it being this composite groove You can see just the hi-hat and just the snare and just the kit. I was like, oh, this is great technology Can do this for us It was successful But nowhere near as successful as one of my paper or of the same paper book was the paper book still Way outsold the apps and so I was like, oh, wow, okay And to create that app is a grip load of money and sure Yeah, so I was like, well, I can write a book for free or I could develop an app for 200k Let's go with the the book. So that I don't think is the future I think there are apps that will be part of our future, but I think there'll be more music based helping us connect with other musicians and and play, you know, taking The drums out of a track, you know, there's apps that can do that now slow down apps I think that's going to be a huge part of it. I don't think vr or ar will be a big part of it I mean, I really looked into that heavily when Microsoft was putting out the I think it's the hollow lens And obviously google was working on their glasses and everything And I just thought well, what would it be like if you were looking through glasses And you could see my arms and I played the groove for it. I don't really see that being part of it I will say the first thing that kind of caught me as like, huh, that's weird That's everything I've always talked about is the is the new mirror. So the That you know, it's it's an exercise thing right now But my biggest piece of advice for technique is always like, dude, you should go to Home Depot and buy a mirror You just need to see what your hands are doing. You don't need to spend, you know, $2,000 or whatever on I mean But so to explain that more because I've seen commercials with it The mirror is basically where then in like the corner of it you have like an instructor, right? Yeah, I mean, basically it's it's a shiny LCD screen, right? So but it's It's like a giant LCD smart TV But it can I'm assuming when it's not in use it is a mirror Yeah, and so and there's a reflective property to it. So you can see yourself and the instructor But I could see that being a part of our future where I'm teaching you head on and I could see that maybe it's it's definitely the one thing that I'm keeping my eye on right now Yeah, but I think in general the future of education is It's hard to say this but It's care The more that educators care like that's why I get so frustrated when In the past especially as my career was coming up I was labeled as an online teacher and I was like look I'm a teacher the the modern medium is online But if you swap that out for DVDs, I'm fine with it swap it out for books I'm fine with I don't care in in person like I just want to teach man And so I think that what's going to happen is Teachers are going to keep emerging as people that are truly passionate about spreading education And those people will be the new Jim Chapin's freddy gruber's eddigpins of our world And that will then I'm hoping that what I'm doing right now I'm hoping that someone is 14 going like Exactly what Pete Magadini said to me. I'm hoping somebody's 14 thinking wow teaching could be my plan a And it's like yes. It's not a fallback plan man Like if you care about delivering information and conveying information to other human beings This can absolutely be your plan a and all that's going to happen is tech is going to change around you So you have to I will say this anyone that's teaching right now wants to teach for a long time You just have to stay on top of stuff. Yeah You have to download tiktok and wonder is this is this in line with what I'm trying to do as an educator It doesn't matter whether you use it or not It matters that you knew it existed and you made a choice not to use it or to use it. Um, you know when I look at um What's the one the streaming platform for all the gamers? Oh twitch Yeah, so, you know, I as soon as twitch started making its way into the non gamer community I just looked at it and thought like okay What is this offering to my followers and fans and students that I can't do on my own And I didn't find a use for it But I still had to be aware of it and know You know what it's for and then and then when I look at somebody that maybe doesn't have the time to create their entire online platform And studio like I have it's like dude twitch did it for you. This is perfect Just launch your camera and play through 10 of your band's tracks. This is amazing So I think that's really the key for all educators is stay on top of tech and know what's happening around you So it doesn't pass you by Um, but in the end if you're a private instructor That stuff hasn't changed in a hundred years. I care about your students and do your job really well Yeah, and you know an interesting thing that I've really yet to dig into but I'm sure you'll probably Have heard of it or will come across it but uh the the I guess it's called a social media platform the app clubhouse Super popular. I mean it's apparently Blowing up, but it's like very small where they did the thing. So basically I what what I understand about it I have it. I got an you have to be invited. So someone invited me and it's like rooms that you go into where there's like live Non-recorded discussions. So it's like live podcasts happening at The time they're being done Okay, listen to them later, but you you can just kind of join that room quote unquote room And um, I think that's a big one that's coming down the the pike. Wow I love it. Check out and that's I think that like right when you said that The the educators out there. We just have to immediately think how could you leverage this to reach more people? And do your job better and that's you know, even with uh Instagram stories versus instagram's main feed Versus all their other features and you just have to think like does this benefit you like you don't want to do it Just to do it I mean it was it did not take me long to be like, okay tiktok Just doesn't have a place for what I'm doing. Yeah, it would clearly look like I'm trying to Fit into something that it's just not who I am and it's not what my brand is about Like I only want to do things that I want to do sometimes social media comes along Just like youtube did for me, you know, I've said it before on our first podcast, but youtube was dropbox for me It was like wait, you're gonna let me park my videos for free and not pay any charges This is amazing. You just saved my life for sure Because now I have a place to put video content for my private lesson students We're on the days that I'm sick or whatever. So when social media And and tech can solve a problem for you be ready to jump on it um And like I said, you just have to there there is some FOMO Involved in social media like um man, that's the third time I've seen this person talk about being on twitch or being on tiktok Should I go there and it's like just ask yourself does it align with your current goals for your brand and and your business? yeah Wonderfully said I mean that's uh, yeah tiktok. I didn't quite gel with it and then before you know an hour is gone And you're just watching people jump around and dance and it's like okay. This is I shouldn't be looking at this but um All right. Well, mic. This has been awesome. Um, I think we covered it. Uh, I think it's Really good to do these kind of like like obviously we could go in and go in 1905 this happened But I like this much better of just being like a just Just hitting the bullet points of what happened. So, um, I appreciate you Just as a drum personality out there doing the podcasts obviously with modern drummer I've heard all 200 whatever episodes and and uh, I think everyone Misses that show but they um, they love hearing you with um your new show drum with mic and eddie. Um Which uh, maybe we'll talk about that a little bit more. We're going to do a bonus patreon episode Which is going to be about 10 minutes or so extra of talking to mic. Um, so If you want to hear more with mic check out the patreon episode Go to drumhistorypodcast.com and you can see the link there and everything but Anywho on that note mic Um, thanks so much for being on the show and sharing your knowledge with us And uh, just being an inspiration to to drummers all over the world really really you are Thank you bar. I appreciate it, buddy. And this is always a blast. You have no idea how How much I was sweating with excitement as we're talking about all these things because I get to relive them Like the first time I you know got a videotape and a dvd and a book and all these things So I really appreciate you giving me this opportunity man. Absolutely. Thanks mic. You got it If you like this podcast find me on social media at drumhistory and please share rate and leave a review And let me know topics that you would like to learn about in the future Until next time keep on learning