Hey everybody I think I might have heard Clemens and Eric in there, right? That's correct Me too. Yep. All right, and Christian are you there? Hey Doug? Hello Whoa, I just ray. Are you there? No, no microphone yet. How you guys doing? Doing all right actually ray is my co-worker. He's he wants to sit in for today, too. Oh, okay, cool It's a ray with an E. Thank you Actually might be a really short call today It should be nice. I'm sure last one of the year. I know so excited Anybody have anything exciting planned for the vacation or just hanging out at home. That's my plan. Yeah Mostly mostly at home maybe a few little trips, but otherwise Yeah, yeah, we got lucky Both my parents and my wife's parents both seem to take a similar approach where They'll pick like a different holiday like my mom used to always pick Thanksgiving as you know her holiday Where she wants everybody to show up, but they both seem to agree that Christmas was you know, that's where you guys spend time at home and just relax and stuff And I'm so glad they both agree with that because it means it's so much easier much much more relaxing that way Yeah, we we live within an easy 20 minutes drive from either house. So You can see both in one day Yes, it's the we have two Christmas holidays Well, we have three days off But we have two Christmas holidays and the one is for that family and the other one is for that family Ah, cool. Yeah. Yeah, I can see them being close to you being really nice and really questionable at times It's so far. It's been work. It has worked out. Well, that's good. That's good. Everybody's still alive Hello Lucas Lucas are you there Fabio are you there?  Great. Good That Matthews m-a-t-z-e w yes, that's right. All right. Okay, cool Ryan are you there? Yes, I am. Hello and Tommy. Oh, hey Lucas. Tell me you're there. All right. Thank you Tommy Hey Lucas, I can't I apologize a camera for sure if you've been on the call before or not If you this is your first time on if you want to be associated with a company can just drop your company name into the chat Just like marketing attendance. Oh red hat. Okay, right. Muhammad. Are you there? Morning and those of you who are new to the call we usually wait till at three after you get started Just get everybody a chance to join Chen are you there? Ah, yes Okay, when do we favor just paste your last name into the chat or you can actually edit the Agenda doc if you want and your company name because I think this might be your first time on Okay, thank you and let's see. I thought I thought someone else go flying by that was new. Oh Erwin. Are you there Erwin? Hello, and what about Mike Hemlick Mike, are you there? All right. What about Vilae? Sorry, I'm here. I'm new to zoom. So I didn't Microphone not a problem. The double you kills a lot of people. Yep. I'm here. Hey Vilae. How's it going? Great. How are you pretty good?  I'm not sure Well, they don't have a microphone. So I can't ask them anyway. Okay Alright, it's three after. Let's see if I got everybody Think I got everybody. Yeah, okay speak of it. I missed you Um, all right, so 17. All right, let's go ahead and get started. Maybe we can end this thing early Nothing new in the AIs. I really need to actually find out from Austin if he wants to keep this one going Relative to the other one We did we did actually talk to the CNC of TOC about Whether we want to start up a serverless SIG versus getting incorporated into one of the other SIGs that's getting created or create a brand new one That's not called serverless, but maybe app platform or something like that and there really wasn't a Consensus yet in the TOC. So I think Mark Ken and I still have sort of an AI to go back To work out with the TOC what we want to do going forward. I don't get the sense that this is an urgent thing That's why we kind of been letting it take a backseat to our discussions But I just want to let you guys know that it is sort of still lingering out there And we will try to figure out what the hat what we're gonna do going forward Well, but the TOC wants us to do going forward But as of right now nothing's really changed and it doesn't impact our day-to-day activities anyway, so it's not a big deal All right, community time. Is there anything from the community that people would like to bring up as a topic for discussion That's not on the agenda Typically, this is for newcomers All right, not hearing any I just want to mention obviously everybody knows about Ku Klun EU coming up the call for proposal is behind us However, I did notice just today that the serverless practitioner summits Announcement page or what you want to call it was actually Went online and so they are planning on having one on March 30th Which I think is a another day zero type of event kind of thing for Ku Klun I don't believe the CFP for that is open But I did want to mention this so you guys can start thinking about ideas if you do want to Submit a proposal for the service practitioner summit So just keep an eye out for that as I noticed the CFP comes online. I'll definitely let you guys know But obviously Ku Klun itself is March 30th to April 20th any April 2nd if you want to start making plans So I'm sure like me is aware of that All right, just a reminder we did agree no calls next week we got to that or do we get to that So this is the last call for this week and then we'll meet again with January night to the next one So just a quick reminder All right, SDK call. I think we actually did have a call last week But I don't remember anything too exciting happening in there If somebody was on the call who wants to speak up feel free to now. Otherwise, I'm gonna keep going I don't think there's anything too exciting happen last week's call. Can anybody think of anything? All right moving forward I don't see Kathy on so there's no I don't see anybody from the workflow group on the call I don't think let's check So I'm not sure there's anything to mention there relative to going on anything going on with the workflow stuff Actually, what I will do as an AI to myself is I'll try to ping somebody over there to get them to At least join the calls when they think something worthy of mentioning Happens in the group that might be of attention to people The one thing that I can think of because I am kind of watching it out of the corner of my eye is They are working on a governance doc to describe how you can get You know committer rights and all that are maintainer rights in that little subgroup So if that is of interest to you feel free to look at the PR that's opened up over there If you want to review that I've had chance to take a look at it myself But I suspect it's pretty probably pretty similar to what most people would expect But anyway, take a look if you want to do that All right quick go through some issues here. These two issues were there from last week. I think thank you Scott, you know, I don't think it's on the call for Responding to both of those And I'm going to double back with the authors to see if we can close those two issues Although the first one may lead to a syntactical Wording change nothing normative. I don't believe in the spec, but I'll work with the authors of those issues to see if anything has happened there and Just to skip the backlog moving along Clouse since you're on the call. Yes, I was wondering if you've had anything about this one From my perspective, it's it's closed by now. I mean I opened it when we I think were even before the first draft version of the spec or something So for me, it's solved but I could as I promised in this discussion Provide some example That's needed. Okay. If that's something you might be able to work on Relatively soon.  We should wait till next year. Just trying to get a time frame kind of a thing I can try to do it before I go on vacation. I think it's okay Okay, that'd be great. Just just trying to clean up the backlog. So I appreciate that. Yeah, sure I mean, it's been around for a long time. Yeah, yeah And so anybody anybody else who may have opened up an issue be warned at some point I will ping you to got what you want to do with your issues. So we got to get that backlog down All right, cool Let's say I don't see mark on the call. So I can't nag him about his so okay We'll keep moving them. We have no open PR. So that's good. I'll be discussed there So all right onto the meat of the meeting itself. So as a refresher on last week's call we talked about all the various options in terms of what to work on next and There are lots of obvious that obviously we had lots of different topics that were brought up and we kind of narrowed it down to To that people thought were worthy of discussion or possible work items Or work streams at this point in time. That's not to say that some of the other ones that people thought were important Should not be worked on at all It's just sort of a timing perspective because we seem to think we can only do one one bigger thing at a time And in fact, I actually am hoping that for some of the items There may be some background discussions going on in preparation for maybe working on it after whatever the next thing is So we do a little bit of parallel work in terms of thinking but in terms of hardcore work We're probably gonna have to serialize things was I think general sense And what I think it came down to was these two discovering subscription APIs, which does also now include based on last week's discussions a Delivery mechanisms, I can't read the exact phrase who brought it up There was something wrong the delivery of events itself as I think fits in nicely with subscription and API type stuff And we did decide that if for some reason that one gets to be Too big almost like it should become its own thing Then we could look at splitting it out But I think we agreed for right now try to keep it under this one and see if we can do it all at once End-to-end security was mentioned by Jim Although Jim, I don't believe can make the call today. I do and I hope I'm not saying something I shouldn't but in private chats with him I was asking him if he could provide a little bit more detail in terms of what he was thinking there Just so you guys had a little more background in terms of what his thought process was terms of what end-to-end security would include You know, what's in scope by that was out of scope Unfortunately, he didn't actually give me a concrete answer for that but I what he did say But I thought that was interesting was he's actually in favor of looking at subscription and discovery first So while I that wasn't quote an official vote for him in terms of which way to go I'm going to interpret it and in that way For the purposes of us deciding so I just thought I'd throw that out there to help you guys as you go through your thought process I think it's interesting that the person who proposed the end-to-end security also does believe that More thinking needs to happen about that before we actually choose to work on it So I just thought that was interesting not that I'm trying to bias anybody great like that, of course Like this is Vladimir. I can confirm I talked to Jim. He is not able to join us. But yes he is Or we are on the opinion that we should a little bit postponed with security because there is a large number of Potentially rather complex issues. Yep, and perhaps Engaging some people who are really focusing on on depths of security will be appropriate at some point later Okay, excellent. Thank you very much for clarifying that wonderful. Yep. All right. Cool. Okay. So with that Even though The proposer of this Wants to do the other one had a fairness. We did mention both as options so let me open up the floor to people and See what people think Is there any actually may be afraid that differently with is there anybody who would like to Speak now in favor of one or the other I think last I'm last week's call. We had quite a few people speaking in favor of description and discovery. I'm sorry subscription discovery But is there anybody in the call who would like to speak to doing and insecurity before we do something like discovery and subscription Okay, but if you allow I'm not going to speak for it, but I'm speaking for stage staging these things because I think we will do both mm-hmm, but So we will need a some sort of of registry API that we agree on that has The ability to store You know a catalog of events and then has the ability to store schemas and it has the ability to store secrets of some sort And I think of this of the secret the secrets are The less important one that's why I'm favorite discovery subscription But ideally we'll have some something that is uniform before the end to end security. It will be Important to have a model where we can store Secrets of information of some sort because we're doing we need to be doing you know broadcast of Infected broadcasts of datagrams, which means you can't go organize session key. We can't negotiate session key So and then security is going to be a fairly involved thing that requires distributing storing distributing key information And so we'll that's something we'll have to tackle I think we have to go and deal with you know, what is the red what is that our registry model look like What is our registry interface look like and we'll probably also have to go and think about this for multiple protocols and not just HTTP And I think once we have that as a template and that once we've made that robust using something that's a little simpler like the schema registry and or Event registry then we can go and move ahead and start thinking about how a key vault will look like but ideally the interface is not very different Yeah I thought you're done. Go ahead and finish and so I think the The discovery and subscription API that that model of we need to have there is somewhat prerequisite to the security story if we want to have something that's consistent Okay, and just for clarity's sake when you when you talk about the registry stuff Are you talking about the registry from or that that's sitting on top of an event producer? So you can see what he's producing or are you thinking about some standalone registry someplace? Or do you actually see one solution be able to couple both? So I think I believe there are there are three things that fall into the discovery and subscription pocket and that is and discovery it discovery is I can walk up to I can walk up to a Publisher or a delegate of the publisher And I can ask which events shall be expected from a particular source And then I can go and subscribe to them but then once I go to walk up to that catalog that catalog should also give me a information about You know what is contained in that what is contained in that event and That then almost necessity necessitates a schema registry of some sort That you can then also use to for instance drive the serialization of protobuf Okay, I don't think it make I don't think it makes sense to have a catalog Of events that are being published by a source without that catalog being able to refer to a schema registry Right, but but that schema registry Can technically be part of that same Yes, that same thing, right? Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's it's I think I think of these things as three Interfaces that kind of are Interdependent right But they might be implemented if we use the fancy fashion term as independent microservices, right? Yeah, okay. It's a it's be like just curious when you think about the schema registry Are you thinking about an API proper or are you just thinking about the actual? Format of the schema because in the cloud events we have to scheme a URL. It's a pointer, right? Is that is there is there actually a proper API that is necessary or can we just utilize a URL and so So yes, so right now we're we're happy to have just a URL But I think you should be able to so subscriptions is effectively the ability to go in and ask for a For a new subscription to be created, right? So that's already an API and If there's middle where so if you're a publisher, but you're using some middleware you probably want to go and and define a You want you want to publish into that middleware what shape your events are so which events you offer and what shape your events are So yes, I believe that's an API Okay, so it's not only a matter of get you think that it's actually gonna be It's gonna be modified, right? Yeah, so there's a I think there is a lightweight and And I don't think it's it's it's a spectacular, you know new invention It's effectively a crud API. We're just gonna be for HCP a very simple rest service But the very simple rest service we have to go and agree on the shape of that very simple rest service And the simpler we can make it the better it is Yeah, I understood I was just trying to The only tricky bit then now we have to deal with the the office and everything else So I just want to understand if it's strictly necessary or if we might be able to go ahead and and focus and read first But anyways, now we had I'll take the conversation elsewhere. I just want to understand I think the reads are also subject to often general Right because there are there are schemas which are secret As much as you wouldn't believe it Okay, so so I feel like there is something I have to say here just as sort of like a moderator of the call Without saying whether I agree or disagree with anything Clemens said here, even though it would be a foolish to ever disagree with them I think it's important to say that everything that Clemens just said is Him speaking for himself and or Microsoft that is correct, right? So if for example, we choose to work on discovery and subscription discovery and subscription The exact scope of that the exact thing that what's in or out is TBD right we will decide what that is the agreement here is not to say yes Everything come in just said we're going to work on rather It's we're green we're green and that general direction And then as the process goes along we'll figure out exactly what's in or out of scope and whether or lines Clemens just said or not is yet to be determined But the entire point of that discussion was just to hear one person's point of view and that's and that's great But I just don't want anybody thinking that one person is setting the group that the groups to sit the direction And it's not it's the group is deciding on the overall direction And then we'll narrow down the scope or what's out of scope as we go along just want to clarify that All right all right anybody else want to speak up then in favor of Or talk about end-to-end security at all because the reason I'm asking it this way I know it's a little bit of a leading question is because It seemed like most people on last week's call did wanted to say yes Discovering description was the choice, but I don't want to downplay and then security if somebody really wants to promote that one That's the one as the way to go Okay in that case is there any objection to the group deciding that yes We're going to look at discovery slash event subscription API as the next big thing that we are going to work on All right, so that is approved. We'll work on that. Okay. So then the next steps um So A while ago I put together this doc simply as a thought exercise for myself just to see what I thought might be included As a starting point for mainly around the subscription API I didn't I don't think I really much include things around Discovery and it definitely didn't include schema registering any other stuff How do people want to take the next steps here in terms of going forward? I suspect people will probably not a whole lot of time before the beginning of the year So obviously you can think about it over, you know, the holidays coming up But do we want to start with a clean sheet of paper? Do people think that this is enough of a starting point? We could start with this and then people just start editing it like crazy through google doc and then once it settles down We can move it over to markdown and do prs Is there preference people have in terms of how we go forward here? I'm to be honest, even though I wrote this I'm perfectly okay with starting with this fresh piece of paper If somebody wants to do that. I don't really care. Just want to know how you guys feel So anybody want to volunteer an opinion? Scott your hands up I've read through that doc and my only comment was If we're going to invent a new api it needs to be declarative and it probably should look like a kubernetes api Is that something you think we need to actually decide now or I think that's a like that should be a Like a tenant that we work with um, so Wire protocol is something that I care about first and then an implementation on top of the on top of whatever the wire protocol is So I would say declarative api sounds like you're writing code, which is great But we also need to need to worry about how the pieces talk to each other across the network Yes and no like Declarative api changes how you talk over the wire It is certain shapes in that that payload So let me start there then it helps you frame the rest of it So scott, let me ask you this I I do agree with you that most of what I put down here Kind of had an rpc mechanism in mind. I do agree with that and I probably should not have done it that way however um There are I it would not be very difficult for me to to twiddle this so that instead of saying Okay, here are the inputs and here are the outputs I could twiddle it to say these are the things that are required to set it up And these are the things that the person who did the setup Will need in order to actually use the next step in the process and whether you get that from an reply Versus from looking at the status section of a resource because it's a declarative model I can make it so that it's a little more abstract. So we don't necessarily have to choose at this point in time The exact wire protocol But focus focus first on what is the data that's necessary from a Initialization perspective versus usage perspective would gather help We could also possibly you know, just like cloud events. We could have a binding to Heritage applications versus declarative applications. That's kind of where I was going to go with this. Yes Yes, and then at some point though I do think we're probably going to have to have a discussion and say Which one do we promote so that we have interoperability because that's obviously a key point in all this, right? Because half the world uses rpc and half the world uses declarative. We may not have helped the community, right? It But I probably have to learn learn what the what the what declarative means in that particular core of the world Yeah, by my point by my bigger point is I'm not sure we have to decide that today. Yes, that's right So So sky if we decide to head in the direction of using this doc as a starting point I will take the action I'm trying to twiddle this around to not assume one particular wire protocol. Is that fair? Yep. Thank you Okay so So I'll probably bring a I'll probably bring a protocol a protocol level suggestion because the the You know how that looks how that looks up at the programming model layer Doesn't worry me as much as it does across system interoperability because this This should work with kubernetes, but that's not that's not everything that exists in the world that neither is the whole you know Go cncf infrastructure. I want this this should be as as much as cloud events as as fairly large reach Um, I think these apis should also have as as much reach Okay, um ryan your hands up So, uh, I forgot to lower it, but yeah, I'll just echo that. Um, I would Much prefer to focus on the optic model first and the semantics of that Um, and then keep that separate from how it's actually deployed and implemented Just personally coming from the twillio world Yep I think Okay, that's fine. I agree. Okay. Um, hamed your hands up Yeah, my only comment would be that I think traditionally if you look at this I would have assumed it'd be three separate akis like one for just generic discovery one for like and then the other two for pub sub Um, I would I guess my gut would be we should spend more time defining the discovery piece first And then once we go from there we can actually then define the pop some model I think I read the doc actually is really is it was awesome. I didn't notice it was a very deep into the subscription Uh, but it'd be cooler to hash out what discovery means and then from there we can talk about pop some Yeah, okay, and I tend to agree that in in fairness or in full disclosure I I did write it mainly from script subscription because that's Where the discussions were at the time, but I started writing it and that's why the discovery stuff is a little bit light That was relatively new for in my thought process. But yeah Okay, so It's all equally important I agree Yeah, okay um Okay, so How do people want to proceed blank sheet of paper a nbs have a proposal use that rough outline that I put together How do people want to start Ville I think we should I mean, I know I I think that's the same doc that I have already made comments Um, and it looks like other people have as well. I prefer that unless there's a very strong reason to start from blank sheet um We use that as a starting point and I prefer doing it using google docs over Over markup okay All right, um anybody else Disagree I have a concern. Hey in that direction Okay, so let me let me make it a little more formal Is there any objection then to starting with that doc which is under that rough idea link that's in the meeting notes And we'll obviously keep it as a google doc for down because that's easier to do quick edits going back and forth And then once we feel like the doc is starting to settle down Then we could switch over to something like mark down in the github repo and do prs and issues like we did for cloud events That sounds fair okay in that case, um in turn, uh Is there anything else worth discussing then on this call because that's technically into the agenda Are there do you guys want to start having more discussions around the document itself? Would you rather? Wait and start making comments into the doc over the next couple weeks um It's up to you guys. I mean we can end the call early. We can have discussions now about from technical perspective It's completely up to you guys. We have half an hour to do stuff that you really want to I need to I think I need to go and read read through the the document as it is But I think from a from an approach perspective I mean we started with cloud with cloud events as a as an abstraction and then meet that more concrete towards the wire part Um, and so that seems to be the approach that everybody's favorite. And so I'm cool with that The um, but I am I am a little worried about the or or I'm I'm worried about making sure that the the You know, there are the the api definitions whatever they are map into Um wire interactions that can be implemented by the publishers or by generic metalware In a way that you can go and realize though. So if you have a declarative api Um You have a configuration declaration that says I need to go and subscribe to these three things Then there's will presumably be be an engine that does that realizes those But the engine needs to go and talk to external parties and so that api That that engine uses to talk to external parties um, I think that's the more difficult piece Then the or or the the piece that really needs to be harmonized Rather than the the piece that really says, you know Here's how to tie up a subscription into a particular infrastructure Because that's a matter of taste and whatever your infrastructure is Okay, um To me, I think I I kind of focused on the very beginning of what you said there, which was you need time to go look at that dock um I I agree with everything else you said there too, but I think Just my gut reaction based upon how I've seen this group work in the past. Um, I think Most people I've probably not Really looked at the dock very much even though it's it's been out there for I think at least a week or so Um, so I would like to suggest that we don't go into a deep dive discussion here about anything But rather give people the opportunity to look at it over the next couple weeks and then when we come back Um, one of the January 9th Um, then start having a discussion Based upon the comments people left in the dock Does that sound fair to people? Yeah All right, Clemens. I heard Clemens anybody else want to Voice an opinion. Yes or no Sounds great. Okay. That sounds good. Okay. The only thing I would suggest in terms of a in the dock and If people disagree with this that's fine, but obviously small little Typographical things or wording changes, you know, that's fine. You make those in line and stuff and and I'll probably accept them all no big deal um But if there's a there's a there's a section of the dock where there's like two different ideas at play Rather than having a very long discussion in a comment about a particular idea If possible try to put the text you'd like to see into the dock itself Even if it just means that in particular sections we have three or four different versions of what people want to see that way people have very concrete Text to review of what your idea is and it's not just some abstract thing in a comment I find it much easier for people to say, ah, I see what you mean. I like it or oh I don't like that now that I've actually seen what that means realized And they then they could say no I think it's a lot easier if you just put your actual text in there And that way people can compare and contrast the various ideas in a more concrete form rather than just an abstract idea in a comment So don't feel like you have to Build necessarily upon what's already in there and keep that that basic idea You can have completely radical new idea Just put it after the previous one so people can compare and contrast just put like a line You know dash lines between them so people can know that you're trying to replace the previous section something like that Does that make sense to people? Okay, because because I don't want people to assume that anything in there has to stay if the entire thing could be tossed out over time I have no problem with that whatsoever. This was just a brainstorming exercise for myself to get a little more Concreteness in my mind in terms of what I thought people were thinking Okay All right with that Any other topics who want to bring up at all either about next steps or just in general Only holiday wishes only how I was yes happy holidays everybody But of course we can't leave without me doing the final world call because I know how much scott loves that So dug amary is still there Doug How about This person n f e r r aro I'm here. I'm nicole after that From bradette. Okay. Can you in favor put your name into the chat or into the agenda doc Just so I can get the right spelling and stuff because I am horrible when it comes to spelling people's names Okay, okay, did I miss anybody and I heard Doug I saw you coming off of you. So you're there, right? Yeah, I'm here Excellent. Cool. All right. Did I miss anybody for the agenda or the attendance list? All right, cool in that case. I believe we are done 25 minutes of spare And as someone said happy holidays everybody and we'll talk again on january 9th All right, happy holidays All right Bye


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Item number, SCP-1981, Object Class, SAFE, Special Containment Procedures. SCP-1981 is to be kept inside a secure video storage unit at the media archive of site. When in use, SCP-1981 should not be removed from its casing or exposed to any strong magnetic sources. A Betamax home video system and an analog television has been provided in Observation Theatre 02 at site, as well as video equipment to record viewings. Description SCP-1981 is a standard Betamax tape. Ronald Reagan, cut up while talking, has been handwritten on the adhesive sticker in felt-tip pen. Laboratory analysis indicates that SCP-1981 is made of ordinary material and serial numbers correspond with home cassette tapes produced in September of 1980. SCP-1981 was initially encountered by a filing clerk in the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in 1991, who upon watching it alerted the police with the intent to find the tape's creator to press obscenity charges. A low-level police investigation was conducted, at which point the foundation was alerted and secured SCP-1981. Class Amnesics were administered before it could be notified. Further investigation of the library's records by Foundation personnel failed to yield any leads on SCP-1981's origin. SCP-1981 appears to be a home video recording of former United States President Ronald Reagan delivering his Evil Empire speech to the National Association of Evangelicals at Sheraton Twin Hours Hotel, Orlando, Florida, on March 8, 1983. However, at one minute and ten seconds, the speech begins to deviate heavily, eventually resembling no known speech ever made by Reagan. Beginning at approximately five minutes, multiple incisions, lacerations, and penetration wounds can be seen being slowly inflicted, though no corresponding source of these wounds is visible. Despite suffering bodily harm that would likely incapacitate an ordinary person, Reagan will continue to deliver his speech until either his vocal cords are severed, or the tape degrades to static at 22 minutes and 34 seconds. Upon rewinding SCP-1981 and initiating playback, Reagan will deliver an entirely new speech, often radically different from the ones previously observed. Topics have included torture, child molestation, and a ritual sacrifice. Trauma inflicted upon Reagan also appears to be divergent, with impalement, genital mutilation, and having all been observed. In roughly one in seven viewings of SCP-1981, a figure clothed in black robes with a conical hood will have replaced a random member of Reagan's press detail, henceforth referred to as SCP-1981-1. The significance of the appearance of SCP-1981-1 is currently unknown. The speeches delivered by Reagan are mostly incoherent, lacking any sort of underlying thematic structure and largely being composed of nonsensical anecdotes and parables. However, occasionally references are made to future events that Reagan could not possibly have known about or predicted, such as the September 11 terrorist attacks, the result of the 2008 Russian elections, and For this reason, rigorous time and effort has been devoted to recording the speech delivered on each playback. Attempts to replicate SCP-1981 onto a similar Betamax tape have met with failure. However, cameras used to record the television SCP-1981 is broadcasted on have succeeded in capturing individual playbacks. Any observations performed on SCP-1981 must be recorded on the camcorder provided and delivered for subsequent review to Dr. Bo... Project Supervisor. Years of natural magnetic interference has severely degraded SCP-1981's signal quality, making it even more difficult to sift meaningful information from playbacks. Additionally, the gruesome nature of the mutilations performed upon Reagan have been described as extremely disturbing. And for this reason, it is recommended that any personnel feeling squeamish or ill after playback visit the on-site psychiatry facility for a level 3 evaluation. As Ronald Reagan was alive at the time of SCP-1981's containment, a surveillance net was deployed to establish any relation between him and SCP-1981. No known connection was developed, though Reagan would frequently complain about nightmares before his mental state degenerated due to Alzheimer's. Excerpt from video transcript of recording made on... 1993. A renewal of the traditional values that have been the tendons of this country's strength. One recent survey by a Washington-based researcher concluded that Americans were far more willing to participate in cannibalism than they have in the past hundred years. America is a nation that will not suffer abominations lightly. Seven. And that is the core of the awakening. Twelve. Eighteen. We will stop al-Qaeda. Now there you go again. For the first time we have risen, and I see we are being consumed. I see circles that are not circles. Billions of dead souls inside containment. Unravelers have eaten countries' moral fabric, turning hearts into filth. I'm from a kingdom level above human. What does that yield? A hokey smile that damns an entire nation. There is no hope. Reagan wins his back as if experiencing severe pain. Several new lacerations begin to manifest across bare-eye socket, as well as punctures appearing to penetrate forehead and temples. The remainder of left arm is now painfully bisected. Further consensus has proven that over half of all Americans still hate. Eaton hole by void. The emptiness. The sadness. The blackness. The darkness. And transcript. Excerpt from video transcript of recording made on 1996. I have been to the steel mills of Alaska and the cornfields of Nebraska. I have seen the derelict offices of Google burn with the window boarded up and the squatters inside them. I've seen the houses where they cut up the little babies. From coast to shining coast I have walked empty down drooling path. The decaying flesh of false morality poisoning our children. I have stood atop the mountain of this greedy earth, looking upon our beautiful pious pit, filled to bursting with the vast hands of helplessness. And did you know what I saw? Hell. Now there you go again. But truly now, we live in a fortunate time. This is a fortunate time. Time is on our side. A stitch in nine saves time. There are your truths and there are my truths. There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown slobberfacety. Some of them are in the audience right now. At this stage, wounds inflicted upon Reagan's neck appear to be so severe that it can no longer support the head. Speech degenerates into gurgles as Reagan violently jerks forward, spine being severed cleanly, and the head only being loosely connected to the body by strands of muscle tissue. Body remains animate for the next three minutes and continues to gesture as spinal column appears to be withdrawn from neck cavity before finally collapsing. Tape degrades into static at 22 minutes and 34 seconds and transcript. Video transcript of recording made on 2002. Redacted. 05 of the clearance required. Video transcript of recording made on 2005. Begin transcript. Long shot of podium as well as empty chairs normally occupied by Reagan and entourage. Curiously, this is the only recording that lacks both the intertitles and the presence of Ronald Reagan. 30 seconds. Camera zooms in on podium. 2 minutes 55 seconds. Entity known as SCP-1981-1 enters shot from left and stands at podium. Remains motionless for remainder of film. 22 minutes 34 seconds. Tape flashes to single frame intertitle with words I see you colored in red holds for seven seconds then immediately cuts to static. No further signal for remainder of tape. End transcript. Note this is the last known sighting of SCP-1981-1. SCP-1981-1 has been absent in all subsequent playbacks. If observed, staff are advised not to attempt to communicate with SCP-1981-1 and to alert any level 4 supervisors on duty.


Harding, counterspy, calling Washington. The Blue Network presents Philip S. H. Lorde's counterspy. A counterspy is the United States undercover agent whose duty it is to smash the professional enemy spies operating in our midst. Imagine Ace counterspy of them all as David Harding. Those are the footsteps of Liza Gutt as she walks along the narrow rocky path which runs on top of a high cliff, looking out over the sea on the northern coast of Maine. Forty-two years ago Liza Gutt married. Mark got her husband sailed away and was drowned.  So just in case Mark should return, he'd see the lighted lantern from the sea and know she was waiting. Well, well. Liza Gutt is nearing her little house on the top of the cliff where she stays alone.  She can see it with the light of the lantern. That's funny. I didn't leave nothing on the front porch. It looks like a man. It is a man. What are you doing on my front porch? Oh. Wake up. I said what you do a lion on my front porch. Oh, I was just lying here. I'm exhausted. I guess I fell asleep.  Yes. I had a narrow escape. I landed here in a lifeboat. Saw your lantern lit so I came up here. When I found nobody was in, I was too tired to go anywhere else. What happened to you? I was in a small Norwegian lumber schooner. There were five of us just off the horseshoe reefs. We were torpedoed. I got the lifeboat over alone. The others were killed in the blast. I was way after I'd have been killed too. One of those terrible German or Japanese submarines. Yes, it happened yesterday morning. I've been rowing for land ever since. Then I heard a bell boy. And about an hour later, I landed on the beach down there.  Could you give me a little food? Let me stay here tonight. Come in. You've got to be took care of. Thank you. I'll have to light up a light. Shall I bring in the lantern? No, sir. That lantern stays there lit under all conditions. And it ain't never going out. Nurbian took him. As long as I'm conscious. There. Now you can see. I'm sorry to trouble you. Ain't no trouble at all. May I inquire your name? Liza Gott. And it's got two T's and no E before the L. Liza, not Eliza. What's your name? Berkman. Frank Berkman. You look pretty tuckered. Here. Now just lie down here on this sofa and make yourself comfortable. I have been through a good deal. Well, now you stretch right out.  And your feet down there.  Oh, I never was more comfortable in my life. Well, that's good. Now you can rest in peace. Danny, this is Liza. Get me quick as you can. The counter spy headquarters in Washington. And I want to speak to the head of it. No young stripland. You go on, Daffy. Do as I tell you, Fanny. Get me the head of the counter spies. I still think you're Daffy, but I'll ring them.  This is Liza Gott, a Loganberry point mean. I've caught me a spy. Pardon me. Would you say that again? I'm Liza Gott, a Loganberry point mean. And I've caught me a spy. Lying on the sofa over there. What? You ain't see the condition he's in. Is he unconscious? Well, he told me about Rowan alone. And here in our bellboy at the Narrows. And then Rowan an hour and landing on our beach. Well, I was born here. And I know this coast. And there ain't nobody Rowan from the bellboy at the reef to this shore on an ebb tide in one hour. He's a barricader. What is Loganberry Point near? Hate near nothing. The nearest place is Stuybison. But that ain't near nothing either. Well, I'll leave my plane immediately. Very nice of you, Captain Stinson, to drive me over to Loganberry Point. The plane couldn't seem to find a nearer landing place. So? You don't suppose to be a captain that the horse might trot a little? I'm not much worried about it. No. I mean, could you make her trot? No. I put her out to pasture when she was 22. She'd been out there eight years now. I had to pull her back into harness when the gas ration went in. She has enough trouble to stand up. Say nothing to trot him. I see. Do you happen to know Eliza God over at Loganberry Point, Captain Stinson? Yep. Is she quite a responsible person? Sort of the earth. I just thought I'd visit her. You mean room there? Yes. You don't know Eliza. What do you mean? You'll find out when you get there. All righty, Mr. Hyden. Thank you, Mrs. God. I took a plane as far as Stuybison's and then I had to drive over. Now, where is this man you captured? In the woodshed. Woodshed? That's where he is. No, man, but my past husband never spent a night under this roof. And there ain't no man ever going to. Don't you want to put down your suitcase? Oh, no, no, thank you. I have some equipment in it. Oh. Now, you'll have to go the rest of the way yourself. He's right in there, laid out on a cord of wood. I ain't going into no woodshed with no two men. All right, Mrs. God. I'll go look. The worst for wear. Come on. Here, come on. Go away. Go away.   Oh, it's you. Are you the man she'd been waiting for? Yeah. Then get me out of here. I had to pretend I was unconscious or she'd have killed me. What do you mean? After she dragged me out here, she'd come out every hour.  Knock me out.   She'd hit me over the head, just as cold and systematic as though she were a pile driver. Let me have your fingers. I want to take your prints. No. You'd better, I might call Mrs. God back. Oh, that's better.  Counter-Spy Headquarters, Washington, reporting to Harding. The fingerprint you just telephoned in are prints of Dr. Slesen, who left San Francisco for Portugal 18 months ago. He was employed in the still-world plans while they were experimenting on cargo-carrying hair transports. It looks like Dr. Slesen is the one we have been expecting the Gestapo to try and smuggle into the country. Come in. I'm glad to know it's Slesen that we've got. It's quite obvious Slesen has been sent in to secure all possible information on the newly contemplated cargo-carrying transport. This is a job the Gestapo probably allowed him about a week to complete, and then they must have made arrangements to get him out. I'll check with you later tonight. Well, Berkman or Slesen, you just heard that conversation. We know who you are and why you're here. I guess there isn't any sense to my denying. After all the plans had to bump into that woman. You're going to talk? No. I'll see. Well, as the people of Logan Murray Point would say, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Martha, Martha, church bells ringing. Something's up. Put it on your hat, Martha. The one with the yellow ribbon. Church bells ringing and it ain't go-to-meeting night. They must be calling it for something special. You have been called to the church here at the request of Mr. Harding concerning an important matter. We're proud to see every person of Logan Murray Point present. Mr. Harding of Washington. Citizens of Logan Murray Point, I know you're all aware of the circumstances of the German spy who landed and was apprehended here. He means cocked girl. Now, our government knows why he was sent here. His mission would ordinarily take him a week. It is logical to expect he would be returned to Germany by the same route he arrived. Well, this part of the coast was selected because it's very sparsely populated. The Gestapo evidently believed landing here would be very simple. By all logic, I expect arrangements have been made by the submarines to pick him up at this very place within the week. All of you men present are lobster fishermen or go out hand-lining and setting trot lines. You know the reefs and shoals like your own backyard. You can weave in and out of them on the blackest night in the thickest fog. I'm calling for volunteers.  Now, with the dangerous undertaking, there's a chance you might be captured and even tortured for information. How many of you men are willing to volunteer? This is a sight I wish every American could see. Some of you are over 80. Some in your teens. And not a man in this church who isn't standing. We are breaking water here, Captain. Making the surface. It's very foggy and dark, Herr Kapitain. We are among the reefs. I suggest you come on deck. Get the hold of it. Get the rope. Surround it. What's going on? What is that? Throw me that rope. Then we surface. We came up right alongside that little fishing boat. There is a fisherman on it. Good. Bring him aboard. We will question him about these waters. He looks like an old man. Get him below. Bring him out. The Captain wants him below decks in the control room. Blackout ship. Charge batteries. Fish all over him.  Well, what are you doing out in your boat? Late at night in the fog. I was doing me a master fishing. My plastic motor broke down. So? Perhaps it didn't break down. Perhaps you're out here spying. Huh? You think they'd give me an important job like that? An old seamen over 70? See? Well, they wouldn't lag. Yeah, you're right.  What's your name? Stinson. Captain Egbert R. Stinson.  A captain of fish, perhaps? Well, if you understand, sir, for 50 years I was captain of sailing ships. And I never lost a one. Huh? If you are so good, where are we right now? In the devil of a farce, if that'll help you. You know what I mean? What's our location? How far off horse you reef, are we? A quarter mile northeast of it. You're lying. I know it.  I think we can take care of that. Mate, a hot iron from the gallery. But I would get survive for a stick. Well, we'll never see a room with so many gadgets in it before. We didn't need all these wires on the sailing ship. How far are we from the lighthouse? The lighthouse? Oh, let me see. As the crow flies, I think I'd say about a million miles. You talk. You will talk plenty. All right, I'll talk. You better be careful. All right, I'll talk.  The sea is clean. It's decent. Not a foul like the likes of you. Before you're through, you and this rotten hook will be at the bottom of the sea, but the fish won't trouble your carcasses.  Curse you and all your foul. You!  Go ahead, shoot.  But it's fun to make a bargain. What is the matter?  Six bullets to stop him. At the chief engineer and electrician both come to central control at once. Jawohl, Herr Kapitain. Chief engineer, electrician reports us to central control at once. Inspect, repair damage. Ring for hand control to receive what that maniac has done to our automatic gear. Herr Kapitain, the master rest has damaged. Impossible to say how long it will take to repair. Completely wrecked, Herr Kapitain. How long will it take to repair? Two to three hours, Herr Kapitain. The compressed airline is breached. Several hours to repair. Also, main ballast hand belt jammed. For fluke normal. All this damage with the axe. Hello. Mr. Harden. Submarines out here. Good. Good. What are the facts? Well, Red Boogins just landed. In about a quarter of a mile from old Captain Stinson's. He heard the sub come up and they evidently captured Captain Stinson and took him on board. Come on. He heard a lot of commotion to get the submarine to go down. But it sounded like they couldn't hear his motor and then got to the lighthouse here. Fine. Fine. I've got all the information I need right now. I want to hang up and then use this phone. Now let's see. I turn this little crank here. Yes. Ring it long and loud. Sometimes, Penny, the operator, lays down and takes nap. Now, Mr. Gott, would you run down the path and ring the church bell? Emergency. If the bell rings late at night, they know that to bring what guns they have and rush for the wharf. Hello? Operator, get me that number I wrote out for you yesterday. Please hurry, Mrs. Gott. Have that church bell rung. Oh, Revere said, one if I land and two if I see. Naval control. This is Harden reporting. Related destroyer Smithville proceeded once one mile southeast of Sand Island light. Submarine on surface. Immediately, sir. Relate a coast guard, carry out plan three if possible, and fog does not prevent. Otherwise, plan two. Immediately, sir. Include a Navy message that because of present emergency, I'm going to try to get armed fishermen to submarine first so a destroyer reaches submarine watch for all clear signal, which will indicate presence of Americans on board. Yes, sir. Those of you with the slowest motorboat start off first. The Sandy's guns. Some men take it. I want all of you men to understand that this is an extraordinary situation.  Now, the reason we're taking things in our own hands is because it's so foggy the planes can't spot us up. It's too foggy for the destroyer to come in among these reefs until daybreak. Indications are that something's happened to that submarine and it can't submerge. Would you say, Captain Lawson, there was a very heavy swell out there near Horseshoe you led? Plenty heavy. After a three-day nor'easter, they've got a roll out there standing them on their heads. Well, that means the fire from the submarine will be very inaccurate. Now, when we sight her, you're all to fan out and make a circle around her. When you hear Captain Lawson blow his fog horn twice, head right for her. Start shooting and picking off the men, manning the guns. With 30 launches coming at her in all directions and the fog and the heavy roll of the sea, she'll have her hands full. Time from all sides of her. Let's call it starting out. All right, men, your launches. Good luck. And remember, your women hope will be standing right here and don't wait. That's her, Captain Lawson. Had dark shape about two points in starboard. I am scum. Should I blow the fog horn twice? No. Twice is to attack her. Blow it once so they'll fan out and approach her from all sides. Now, slow the motor. Give the others time to get around her. I didn't realize how patriotic I'd be till I started thinking of them Berman's second foot on our shore. I've never seen a thicker fog. She spotted us. Shall I head for her? No, she's only shooting at the sound of our motor. Who are you? And so will we shoot. We won't reply. Let him stew. Who are you?  Two blasts. I ain't had so much fun since Lige's kind of fell in the well. Get ready. All right. Sound the signal. Take her here, will you, Mr. Harding? Let me do a little gunning. Go ahead. For the minute we touch her, jump aboard. The whole German crew is on deck. Captain Mulligan. Commander, as we stand here in the control room of your submarine, that you and all your crew are prisoners of the United States. Justice to Avartan. Cree Shon. I am helpless. And there at your feet an old sea captain with 12 bullet holes evidently kicked in the face after he was dead. You were shoving at our controls with the fire ax. We had to shoot him. We shoot him six times before he fall. Captain Stenson was a neighbor of mine. What arm of the American forces have they been captured by? The fisherman of Loganbury Point. Mr. Harding, Mr. Harding. The United States destroyer approaching out of the foster. How in Sam Hill did the destroyer get in among these shows in a night like this? That's real navigating for you. What am I supposed to do now?  We, his neighbors, of Loganbury Point, returned the earthly remains of one who has lived among us for so many years. Captain Stenson, if he had had a thousand lives he would have chosen no other way to have given them all. And so we of Loganbury Point, not mournfully, but with pride in our hearts say goodbye to a great American who lived as an American and died as one. God bless America. Bless America. The land of the free. The featuring David Harding is presented at the same time every Monday evening. 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