Hey, what's up, Birmingham? August the 19th, I will be at the Birmingham Theater Hill. Yeah, that's right, damn, what you heard. It's going down like that in a major way. You know how it goes down when I pull up at Birmingham? Shit, just get crazy.  So look, make sure you click the link, hit the website, get the tickets, put your outfit on, pull up on me. One show on the Birmingham, one show. I'm keeping y'all in my rotation because y'all treat me like family when I come down now. Because Mississippi and Alabama kind of like the same thing, but different. So pull up on me, we'll talk about the difference. I'll see you there.  I said, great it, man. Man, they had to hit me with the breathing tube to get to open up my lungs.  Closed up. So you had to put a tube down your throat. Yeah, that's one of what I'm gonna tell me. Yeah, man, she going surgery.   And open it back up, yeah. You a third time over a pretzel. One piece of pretzels now. That's it. And that's all it take. So like I said, for me, it's different.  I ain't never had.  No.   No, nigga.  No, they ain't. You'll be singin' it so hard for them to say goodbye. Nope. You're so hard to say goodbye, nigga.    I'm bein' with that motherfucker.  No, that's different. That's different. I don't even know why you would just do that like that. It hit my mind.  White women, that's crazy. Nah, I don't know that. That's nuts too, man. You gotta be the chocolate. Nah, I'm the chocolate. That's nuts too. That's all you heard. At the peanut butter chocolate. Yeah, I can do that. J.O.N., I think it's time for you to play out some Pimpin' Man. Uh-oh. Mmm. That's it, that's it. That's the one he liked.  I'm about to drop this zoom on this nigga. What's that? That's that Commodore? Commodore Zoom. Oh, yeah. Here we see.  Y'all. Yeah. That's back when Lionel Richie had the streets unlocked. Oh, okay. Hell, yeah, that nigga was the coldest. You feel me?    Come on. Get it in. I'm saying y'all doin' it for many months. Come on. Oh, yeah.  We really kinda defined what it was for, you know, for urban podcasts because there wasn't a whole lot of people out here. And everybody else just follows suit. Come on.  You know, there's a need. Black people have voices and we need to discuss certain topics and certain capacities.   Then we need some niggas out here giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some ladies giving, they point of view on niggas giving bad relationship advice. Then we need some niggas and some women giving collective bad advice. Then we got to see some people who spiritually uplift us.  Some motherfuckers who entertain us. Some people who gonna tell us how to eat better and get this money. It's all type of lies that black people need to be in. And we in ours. Come out. That's why we can move and do what we want to do because we ain't worried about what nobody else doing. Yeah. It's that not bad. Why don't you get some? Got everybody having a start. Yes. In certain ways. What a hard kid. But we got to bring integrity back. And we got to make sure that everybody got the resources that they need to be successful. Come on. And that's the whole point of this platform right here. That's why we don't just be bringing everybody through here. And we really focus right now on bringing nothing but ghetto legends. Now people felt like the people said, you supposed to be in here. Who stopped? And then we look up and I see you doing all these other podcasts. And I took that person out of here and I said, Nick. He did take it first.  He called me one o'clock in the morning.   I'm like, bro, bye, bye, slow. What you talking about? He must be doing a favor for somebody because we really know this nigga. Come on. I told you, I've been trying to get over here.  Y'all think it took me over an hour to get to the trap.  Where? Where we at?   Yeah, man. Where we shoot that. Where, yeah, all the way. Ain't no way they charge you to go way out there.  What happened to Tyler Perry? We ain't fucking, we ain't shooting that Tyler Perry. Nigga, that's the most popular motherfucker in studio to shoot at in Atlanta. That motherfucker's booked up for years. Yeah. Marvel and all of them are gonna shoot over here. Tyler, I talked to Tyler and they can say, I can't even shoot my own shows over here. We can't do center stage no more? Center stage. Center stage? Yeah, that wasn't big enough.    That was the ladies.   We had a party after every episode.   I just, the liabilities, it's just like, it wasn't happening. Yeah. And then they just started them stories. Not that, not that particularly you. I mean, I'm just saying in general, you know what I mean?   Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the way. But if you want to be technical, that was the ladies. Oh, my Lord. Oh, no, no, no. Y'all niggas ain't been around. Yeah, I don't know, man. I can't say, I can't say. Y'all niggas haven't been around. Every last one on. Yeah, well, I say, since they came back.   I wonder if they're to watch them. We were here. I don't think it's possible. I think it's possible.  We got a very special ghetto legend in here with us today. Yeah. He got a long list of credits. He has literally done everything that a nigga can do in life. Right. This man has an amazing life. He has at least 30 jobs. Right. Very entertaining. He gave all of us the opportunity to be better niggas. Right. So it's an honor and a privilege to have none other than. Then who? Nick Cannon and Trev. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon man. Nick Cannon. All the way, man.   You know, we would leave work together. We just did the day. Like I asked him, we was on set, you know what I mean? We was walking off at the last show. I said, Nick, man, where you coming to the podcast? He's like, man, let's do it.  Let's do it. Let's go, let's do it.  Let's do it. Come on, man.     That's on you. We going to go viral? It's on you. That's what we do, man.  Yeah, and you know, I'm loud.   Why do you wear them shades? I just want them. God damn, OG, please, man. You don't like my shades? I do. I do because I got to go work tomorrow. But why do you have you wear them shades? You wear a lot of shades, but them?  But I'm going to tell you, because it's like when it's Clark Kent and Superman. Like, this is really the low key look. This is I got to be up at five in the morning. This is late at night, turban, star shades. But I look different when I get paid millions of dollars on TV.  But when you don't see me with glasses on, that's when I'm getting paid the most. So when you got glasses on, that is the mascot. This is the, you know, you only can see my eyes when you're giving me millions of dollars. The rest of you niggas is under suspicion. I don't know who this is I'm talking to. I might be sleep under these glasses.  Niggas was broke. I'm talking about just broke, bro. I remember.  For the whole time or was it just like a, something that you just was doing?  I know, that's where I, shoot, I built the platform for, to give niggas opportunity. Like even when I, the early seasons, when it was Cat Williams, Kevin Hart, DeRay, Atheon, like, I was just to be like, look, I was on, I was doing movies and music and shit, but, and I had the relationship at Viacom, so I was just like, yo, let me create something to, to put the squad on, and it just started working. So it was, even by the time y'all came around, it was, that's the M.O., you know what I mean? Like we just gotta make sure, and we just keeping our eye out for cats who, you know, really had the sauce and really had to work at it to, I mean, look what y'all built, y'all built, you know what I mean? Like that's, that's, that's the beauty of it all, when you get, when you say, yo, it's a lot out there to go get, and motherfuckers really pay attention and go get it. But that's what it's here for. But the thing is though, like you had the show and it went away, and you didn't have a necessity to bring it back. You didn't need it. So what, that's what I'm saying as far as what made you wanna bring like the, to go there right again. Yeah man, I was at the crib, I was married, I was chilling, you know what I mean? I'm gonna be honest, I would, I had to start, cause I started paying attention to the battle rap world, and I would see cats like Kahn and Clips and Hitman, and I just became a fan of it. And I was like, yo, that's, that's really what we used to do on Wildin' Out, but they took it and really just culture-fied it all the way, and took it, took it to a whole new level with the level of talent, and even how authentic and grimy it was.  And I was already, you know, I was running the teen division of Nickelodeon at the time, so I was already over there, and even at one point, I was thinking like, let me just do like a Wildin' Out for teenagers or for kids, like on some more educational type stuff. So then I kind of stopped developing that, and I was like, I'm gonna just bring it back, and. Thank God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, boy, appreciate you for that thing. Yeah. Damn.  You see, I like. And y'all too was on, you know, the first iteration, and then, you know. Yeah, two T-shirts, season, two T-shirts, two T-shirts, the 25 cent bag of chips. Yeah.  It's just me, you. Like five. E-man. And con, right? From that original season five. How many people was there, four? There was four, it's only four of us. Shit, it was, but last time we took a picture, it was more than four people.  There, but it's like that process there, but I use that as an example all the time, because that was like gladiator school. Hell yeah. In regards to the time that we came in, it's like, it's different now, because you know, the platform has grown, and it took on a life of its own, but when we came in, Corey and them niggas was like, fuck, it's just snickers.  I think the comedians was looking at y'all, like, especially like Spanky. Yo, I would be like, boy, you remember that shit? Yeah, I mean, for real, bro. Like it was crazy. They really apologize niggas? Nah, they was like, man, who are these niggas? Yeah, I wouldn't say, not in front of us, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but their opinion never mattered.    He hate all the new niggas too. Who was that alike? All right. You can't name a nigga in there that I was wrong about. You don't like nobody. They not likeable people.  Well, I think it was, he was a- No, he wasn't. Yes, he was. He was terrible. He was called TikTok. He was called Musically.  I tell you that. I don't know. It was a kid, he was a young boy.  I forgot what his name was. He was a totally American. The Christian, that was the nigga there. Do you see how you don't even remember the nigga name? That's what I'm talking about.  Nigga loves the whole ad. He came from your whole personality.   He used to like put his legs behind his head.  I'm gonna tell you why.  This nigga- That should not be enough to be on Well and Not. No, you gotta understand.   Like whoever up under there, that's who that nigga really is. Like nigga, we in the workshop the first day.  This nigga like a Batman. I'm like this nigga. Bruh. Hey, man. I'm Nav Green, and this is The Family Business. I'm Clayton English. You know what time it is. I'm Money Bad Mafia, and we doing perks in the VIP. Man, you got a- Me and Greek. Bro. We got to talk about the show first. You don't go to the place to talk about the show.  I told you first at Zainis. I told you first at Zainis Family Business Tour. Thank you. You know what it is. Tickets, 85 South Shore. You get the tickets for the meet and greet afterwards. And you know, it's not going to be no regular meet and greet.  We pop in Perth. No, no, no, no. As we pop in every place. Ladies, ladies, just come to the meet and greet and it's really going to be a greet and meet. It ain't different. Huh? It's going to be a greet and meet.  Y'all going to play upon this y'all. I'm going to come back there to the VIP to meet and greet. Oh, man. If Family Business, right? We playing Spades in there. Domino, drinking plenty liquor. The Family Business Tour and what Money Bad does is completely separate. He's more like an independent contractor. I'm a sole proprietor. We are not. What's up, y'all? It's your girl, Lex P. And y'all know we coming to Nashville August 19th. We going to be at City Winery. Doors open at 6. Show starts at 8. And guess what, y'all? It's my birthday week. So y'all know this show is going to be super lit. We got some special guests coming through. OK, so it's what she's saying, yes. She's saying, yes. What you say, no? No? Yes. I see mostly yeses. I see mostly. It's what I'm saying. We are going to party so hard, y'all. This is going to be our best show yet. Because last time we went to Nashville, we cut up. This time, it's my birthday week. We really about to cut up. So I'm telling y'all, get your tickets right now, August 19th, City Winery. See y'all soon. Period. You don't want to put it in there. This is the person that you're attached to.  And I don't want to get a push out of me.    That's what these bitches do. And some niggas take advantage of her. They feel like they the man. You know what I'm saying? Balls don't got bigger dick, don't got bigger. Boy, pipe down, nigga. Pipe down. I'm the catch on the prize. Slow you roll. Hey, hey, your lover, you agree with that? Hell, yeah, I agree with that. I ain't talking to my nigga if he went missing on a milk car. That's a show. Girl, stop. You doing this? We know where he at. We know where he at. Y'all ain't got to know. I'm learning right now. You know, I'm old. I'm getting tips. Nigga was chosen to play. He was trying to play a game.    I don't know if I want to make it this bad. It's the leg.  See? Why they don't do it?  I'm glad you found me on the app. I remember this.  Nigga was funny. I was like, what you want me to do? He was like, I don't know. Nigga, do something.  If everyone ain't going to be gold, there's some fools gold out there. This nigga was already proven by the time he got on Wild Nugget. But nobody gave me a shot. Like how he said, he said, I remember, well, you nod and shelve it. And a line of comedy theater, nigga. And they was in the, you know, nod, giving him a producer look, shelving it. Being shelved. Bro, I didn't even. I know what he had, but just do something. I didn't even have a Wild Nugget audition. Nigga, that's not right.    Bring that nigga inside. And that's what we got. That's great. Feel the same niggas to this day. I've met this nigga. That's how he got his shot. Two years.  Man, all y'all niggas is terrible. You and everybody in my neighborhood. You ugly.  You too old.  Listen, I hadn't met this nigga two years before Wild Nugget even came back. He was doing a Fresh Faces of Comedy show in New York at Gotham Comedy Club. And Dolly was working with him at the same time. Pete Davidson. Me, Pete, and all us came in.  Yeah, I've been new Pete, you know what I mean? But I came and do the show. And when I came in and do the show, the white man that owned the club was like, yeah, I don't know who you are, bro. So you can't say this. You can't say that.  Bro, one day Pete sent me a message and said, man, I would call you, but I don't have a phone. Recently. That was the last time I talked to him. He said, I would call you, but I don't have a phone. He damn sure said it.  I don't know, but, you know, I didn't even know if I should respond. Or if he was gonna get it, yeah, I feel you. I don't know what he sent it on. Right. So I'm nervous as a motherfucker, right? So I'm like, man, everything that I thought I was gray, say this man just told me I can't say it.   I go on stage, do my set.  You just talked about up just now, wasn't you? Cause I just was talking about what just happened. Like I got on stage and talked about the white man telling me I couldn't do my jokes.  I didn't do it no better. I didn't know no better. I didn't know no better. I didn't know no better. I've been doing talent for two years at that time.   Donk a meal off the top of my niggas.  That's what I said when I got on stage. That you should have said everything he told you not to say. You want to rip that motherfucker. It's so talented. And that's what I recognize, nigga. He style and go freestyle and rock that motherfucker. And he let a white man tell him not to. He ain't gonna let that go. I mean, at least I've been born to reach it. That's what I meant. No, he was a white man. Not to say. See, like I said, I'm still learning. I'm learning the comedy game.  And then the motherfucker said, hey. Brilliant. Don't say that. That was a good job.  Nigga, I was in 2010, I was doing open mic in Greensboro, North Carolina.  And he wanted the opportunity.  I get off stage and Nick was like, man, was you just making all that up? I was like, yeah, man. He said, man, keep doing that. I'm around some of the best in the game. They can't do what you just did. And then we went to, I don't know if you remember this, we went to Six Flags the next day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt like he was crying. Yeah, we went to Six Flags the next day. She was scared of rollercoaster. Yeah, she was scared of rollercoasters. Nigga made her get on a rollercoaster.  So I'm- You a terrible person like that? I want to. I want to. Baby, eat a fish. What you mean? Just like me.  Nigga just called you Gargabella. I can't even rest.   I'm evil. That's the case. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I'm watching you at that time. Mind you, I'm an all the way nobody.  With two-minute niggas? No, it was, yeah. I was the last nigga. I'm with the assistant of the assistant, nigga. I'm like, ooh, let me stay back years or I'll overstay my welcome. I don't want to do too much.  And I'm looking like, man, this is what success looks like in this game. Can I deal with this shit?  And, you know, at that point I was like, nigga, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.  What? That was before the kid.  White baby? A white baby.  That it wasn't mine.     Where was, where was y'all at? To trust the black man with your baby. Where was y'all at? It must have been on the tour shows or something. Yeah, it was on tour. Trust your fan. Yeah, she wasn't just coming to give me a baby, nigga. How late is tour? What, baby? That first. People ask me all the time, what's the joke that went too far? Like, in the whole history of wildin' now? The one that went, I don't, I don't think there is one that went too far. Niggas done been talk, talked about me dying, niggas done talked about my baby mama, this thing.  That's one of the things. I got a thick skin. You can't say nothing to really a thing. That's what I always give you credit for. One of the main things that I give you credit for in our journey, you know, being, you know, people that you gave our opportunity to. A lot of niggas that's in your position to give you the opportunity to stand back and see what you do. Yeah.  Ah, well, I mean, hey.   You should have talked about me. That's true generation of wealth. I just want to see niggas win. I mean, yeah. That's what it is. I mean, if you really say it about it for 10 years. And y'all took it beyond television. You feel me? We created this energy from being over that. Hell yeah.  Y'all killin' it. Caught you, 85 something in the record label you had? Yeah, yeah. How about the same? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We about the same.   Just niggas we believe in. That's all that matters. I don't know, you ain't no terrible rapper.  We ain't gettin' no terrible rapper. Who's gonna invest the money? You gonna invest your part of the money. That's it.    It's cause you gifted, though. No.  No, no, no, no, no, no. You're the same kind of tear. That ain't start off. That's his goal. We gonna find some terrible niggas.  We gonna find some niggas that get leased.   Right.  Find some terrible niggas. Terrible niggas. He played just to get our mind tricks. You know what I'm saying? See, he really saying that's what I've been doing is finding terrible niggas. What? Find some niggas that can't even rap better than me and Chico. Who? Niggas, name them. Y'all niggas do more than rap, though.   That's what it is. Y'all dedicated y'all life to being better than rap.  This is part of what we do. But this is your life.  The Mac and the Pimpin' is what got me in the game. Talk to us. It was to give the gas. You the instigator and the motivator.  The rejuvenator. I pimp this whole situation. If they second guess you, then use the haters. They think this show is about a fuckin' interstate. Uh, yeah. Niggas, come on.  Nah, nigga, I been seen it.  Ain't no takin' my man happenin'.  This is it. Look at the couch. Yeah. They coulda got a new one. No, clean that one. Cause we bring a number ghetto royalty through here. We want niggas to feel like they're there until you're out. Come on, man. You kept in the game. Look at this floor. You undedicated your life to. We ain't even done yet. They was about to put a Walmart over here, but we tell them no. This both being Walmart. No, man. Man, I don't do that. People coming back over here and be like, wait a minute, hold up, hold up. We was supposed to put a Walmart right there. Y'all scared of Walmart. I didn't even know it. You got there? Look, I don't look. No disrespect. We ain't scared of Walmart. I won't let a white man tell me. Target and the rest of the motherfuckers. You feel what I'm sayin'? That's all that's, we'll wrap about that later. Yeah, we'll wrap about that. Hey, man, welcome back to the 85th Cell Show. Today we are welling out with none other than Nick Cannon, the most controversial nigga in the game.  You gotta be likable, love.  As long as they like you, they'll forgive you. Nick, you be wildin', though. I say, wildin' out.   You do it? No, but nigga, you, Nick, though, you be havin', you be doin' the most.    It's on the news in the morning. They cancelin' deals.  Bad luck.  You are way more successful than me. I could never be the gauge in your decision-maker.  And I guess you found some other niggas. I was not suggested nobody else. I don't know what the, why you listen, room? That ain't what- You elevated beyond that position. Now you gotta hire real niggas to be around you. Keep you solid and thorough. I am not nigga, Nick.  I take all the heat for my own decision.  I mean, I'm enjoying it, though.  I been to TV shows here, you know? Shit, I stopped counting. You stopped counting. What's the most exciting TV show? I know it's ours. I mean, I love Wild'n Out cause that's my baby.   The check is a lot nigga.  I take these goddamn glasses off.  Nah, I love it in the nigga. You really care about that shit? I remember he was doin' America's Got Talent nigga. That nigga dressin' room looked like the stage we shoot on. I was like, God damn, Nick. Yeah, yeah, good to see you. What's the most exciting, like, one? Lift his arms up to a motherfucker to come fit him for a suit while he standin' right there. I say, yo, man, the nigga went like this. That's, he was like, what's up, shit?   That's money, money.  That's money, money. So what you say is the most exciting show for you then? Ever? I mean, I gotta say as well and out.  That's the most freedom. I mean, one, cause I run it. Right. And I can pretty much do whatever I wanna do. And I created it. Like, from workin' on the logo, to makin' all the beats, to creating the games, to pickin' the cast, like, and then for it to beat. I think we got a restaurant now. We got board games. We got one of a good tour, travel all over the world. Like, I haven't done that in any other capacity. You know what I mean? Like, when you take something that started in here and it literally becomes an iconic legacy for decades. Yeah. That's the motherfuckin' matter. I use Wild or Not as a blueprint for every show and everything that I go on. Cause I always say, well, I'm no Wild or Not. And when it first came on, it was rough. I caught the end part of the gladiator school niggas. When I found out y'all niggas was friends, I was like, damn, Call of the left man, or by myself. You know what I'm sayin'? This niggas don't move it. But that's the thing, man.  And when you came, it was different. Like, when we first met, that's the first thing you said. When we did me and this nigga downstairs in the lobby, reminiscing like, nigga, we back again and they gave us another one. This nigga come downstairs and say, yeah, what's up nigga? See you to met your real friend and left me, huh?  What's up with you Slim?   And we had to fight to be able to establish, like they was trying to give me three shows my first season. They was like, yeah, you're here for three. But they been laying on me since I first walked in the building. So I remember that situation happened with you. Yeah. We happened with you. As soon as we got to the set, bro, the people who put the lights in the ceiling, they was smoking a joint and they thought it was me. They blame Carlos. Really? Yeah. Bro, we just walked in the building and they've been smoking all day. That's crazy. Damn. Been handed out for you. They been handed out for me. Yeah, they ain't. They scared of you. I don't know why.   Because we use it as a platform and we use it as a solid foundation to see how we know how successful TV show work. Not only do we know how successful TV show work, the energy that we have cultivated over the years.  Right. As a talent.  But it actually became a work space where people was looking forward to go to. All right, Wild or not called you, they called you too.  That's what it was. And we gone. You know what I'm saying?  Remember them times where we was waiting on them. I remember, I ain't gonna say the name on here because I don't know if they, what is the old regime. They might be working for somebody else now. We was waiting on them, then pick up notices. Oh yeah. We were waiting, nigga, oh yeah.  Nigga, yes I did, why not? Nig, you had to, they was worried about whether that day was gonna replace you every season. Well, I mean, we had the show coming back. Is it, did the entire show get picked up? Oh, of course, but I think up notice was after they had already knew the show was coming back. Like you had already be like, yeah, we coming back on time. In three weeks then pass, you like, well, maybe, maybe not. Waiting for the call. Waiting for the call. Like that shit was different, but in a sense of, that's what made us love it so much in my opinion because we really had to work together. Like there was no, you know what I mean? There was no leeway, there was no olive branch in regards to, you know, what you do when you get on that stage. Like when the lights turn on, they're mindless. And I wanna ask you this, like, how is it different for you because in my opinion, you surrounded yourself with talent that you'll always be able to say, man, I found that person. But do you ever had a pressure coming up and performing the way that we feel when we get them emails when we on the show? Does it affect you the same way? Yeah, because I want to keep the brand going. You know what I mean? Now there's an expectation. And even when it comes to like, I don't even like saying like, yo, I found that person or I put that person on. Really, it's the platform that I created that allowed y'all to take it.  He was like, wildin' out is like a diving board.   So it's like, long as I keep it stable enough for Niggas to continue to launch, then it's the community pool.  I ain't gon' cap. I be telling people all the time I put you on cause I know you would never say that. My girl, when I came in the game and we did that first season it was, he was through with it. When you started doin' comedy? Man, 19. Could you a old, young nigga? 17, 16. No, I started doin' comedy in a old five. So you a young nigga? I'm an old nigga.  I was raised around, I'm from Mississippi so I'm automatically 16. You came out when you were born at 37. Yeah, it was.  Yeah, I'm an old, yeah. All the, everybody was old. I grew up around my great-grandma and my real granddaddy. You talking about my real granddaddy? My real granddaddy. Y'all got that old nigga card. I got to see my real granddaddy. I got to see my family, where my granddaddy could've been even greater but he never had no drawers that fit. All his drawers was too big. Uh-huh. Wait, but he never. Was you born in a man's title? No, I'm just saying, like some days you go over to my granddaddy house and he'll answer the door in his drawers. That's what granddaddies do. It was like, granddaddy, if your drawers was the right size, ain't no telling what you could've cheated. You just never had a real fair chance. I think all my granddaddies had baggy drawers. I think they only made boxes in one size back in the old days. These ain't even boxes. These was just drawers. I say, oh, here boy, here boy, here boy, here boy. I'm telling you like.  Yes, just a big drawer. He's gonna be great. These drawers were at least three sizes too big. I don't know. I'm from the city, I don't know my granddaddy. I ain't never met that nigga. I'm telling you, man, I was not raised around him. My daddy was. Look at how tough life, man. Man, listen, people think he all jokes.  He got some real gangsters or anything shooting. But that ain't, that's the beauty of being.  Oh, sorry. Nah, nah.  Nah, you know, that's the beauty of being in this position.  Like, I just did a show in DC at the MGM. And I went back through my old neighborhood just to show, like, it's different now. Gentrified now. Whole foods over there? Oh, it's coming. I mean, it's a lot of white people waiting on it. But for me, it's like, I've escaped that environment. But I'm of the environment. When you really of it, you don't gotta walk around. Like, you don't have to walk around, like, in a tough, outweigh, or you get nothing. Proudly, man. Yeah, nah, nigga, I didn't beat the games, man. I'm like, I had to wake up every day and be outside without a choice. Nigga, what? Like, that's not something that, you know, I'm proud that I was able to get out of it. But I'm also not like, yeah, nigga, guess what I did before?  But the thing is, for me, getting to a position where we at now is like, I look back on coming into that slot or that diving board, like you said, with nothing.   Like this nigga walked up to me because we knew each other prior. He was like, man, I don't know what these niggas great do. But we great, get on TV.  That's what I've been saying. I didn't never change. Everyone.  Kobe Bryant of the game. Kobe Bryant.  Put him on the court. This nigga don't like, he don't like none of the older niggas even. He's like, he's the grab, but that's why the niggas don't agree. What's the difference between new garbage and old garbage? The smell. Still garbage. The smell. The old garbage. The old garbage. Think worse.   What do you mean other than these two? You don't need for two motherfuckers. I already proved that. People who have a lot of friends don't have none. You came up in this stand up game with a lot of niggas.    Cause you don't. No, it's not even that. It's they had the same opportunity to be these motherfuckers. But you know, y'all watched the other platforms and the niggas be coming up with all of these conspiracy theories on the comedy hypes and all of that. And it's like, whoever else got a podcast and you know, trying to emulate what y'all done built, it's like, there's a lot of people that feel like, yo, y'all the throne.  They not, you can't just get on camera. But this is what I'm saying, you can't just get on camera and pretend to be friends.  Right.  We don't always agree.    But that's from the environment that we come up out of, which, you know, being in wild and out. Like when we came in, nigga, what helped me? You had to find a family.   They got dumped off over here.  There's too many unnecessary conversations. Niggas is eating lunch with the wild and out girls acting like they don't know them your hoes. It's like, like, bruh, I don't, I don't, I don't, I never understood it. That made you choke, huh? That made you choke. You thought we weren't gonna bring it up, and it crushes him. I don't, I never got it. Like, I've never got it. Like, I've never understood it, bruh. Like, I've never understood that type of, you know what I mean? Like, I've always, I always had to find a niche to be comfortable because I don't, I don't do well in environments where I see shit going on. I'm different than him in the sense that I ain't got to say nothing. Right. I just see it and be like, that's crazy. And go, by the way, he gonna say something. This nigga live in a prayer. Like, this nigga, he be great, do the prayer. They be like, yeah man, y'all do a great stop line nigga. He was like, Lose. Hey man, it's Clayton English man. We in the middle of something. You know what?  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Because I want to give people opportunities, I want them to get on the diving board and get on the sword. Nick, what is the criteria these days? We have this conversation every year.  Because you are known in the standards so far. You used to have to be good at something. This nigga came after y'all. No, it was him.  That nigga is amazing. He been in movies. Justina can read. Justina came after y'all. I can read.  You can read. They got niggas now that can't even read. Nothing, Chico. No, they got some niggas that can't read. Hey, no kids.  Man, I just heard them niggas read, I'm the weak. They can't read. I heard the niggas read. What do you do? What do you say? Oh. I already know what you're talking about. No, uh, uh, uh, for a move, paramount. For a move? Yeah, nah, he not lying.  Not a lie.  I'm talking about, he had to walk, he had to walk through paramount. Well, everybody can't read. Oh, it's all right. Shit, now. You can't read. I'm just, okay, I'm just so they can know. So they can stop asking me. What's the criteria these days? To be fearless. Fearless. You like you? Not like me, not like me, not like me. You gotta be, if you gonna succeed on Wildin' Out, you gotta be fearless.   You gotta be fearless.       They don't put that in the butt. They don't put that in the butt.  Nah. And then in the New York season, it'd be like, huh?    For real, snap.   Back in the day, Brooklyn was out of the game. Well, we had the three level motherfuckers on the side. That was that stuff.  That's what I was gonna say there. With the sprain in it. The sprain in it. Yeah, that was the one. My DJ booth in the middle of that motherfuckers.   That was live.  The season, it was like, every show. It got too crazy. Niggas was coming from the club to the Wildin' Out after party. That's what I'm trying to say. Lying up. Niggas trying to get a cover charge to get into the motherfuckers after their green room. I forgot we were doing that. I forgot that's why I was so many people in there. That's the people who had wristbands.  I did not know that.  Hey, I gotta ask you this, Niggas. What's the reason?   Like they didn't, you know, we done had to transition this particular season. We shooting. And we staying at a hotel, nigga. Damn near a motel. Yeah, but you be staying there.  Like when we was on tour and we had to take showers at the Salvation Army. And you was like, yeah, nigga, we going to something like, bruh, it's just nigga in the CIA. Like, why did you take the showers with us at the Salvation Army? I was trying to keep it thorough, man. If y'all got to do it, I want to do it. Why I'm going to leave y'all, like I could be on my jet doing all that. Why I don't?  But see, that's what I'm saying, but is it just to be able to see what it looks like to struggle? Like, so you don't forget what it looks like. Let me, let me, what is that? Let me, let me, let me say it. See what the poor people are doing. Let me make sure I never lose that part of me.      Played, done.  Like, I, I'm going to be by myself in an NPS jet.   But I'm saying, you could have took us on the jet. That's, that's what I really was getting at. Like, how do we transition into seeing the other side of the glasses, dude? We, we'd have been on this side of the glasses. But yeah, I want to see the inside of the glasses. This nigga just going to wait till we get our own and meet us and say, Hey, what's up, baby? You got here, buddy.  Like I could go waste all that money.  But like, you with us, with the girls on the outside. I want it, it's time to get up to go to work. We all get up and go to work together. Like, the bed is a bed. But that, I mean, I, I, I give you that credit though, man, cause that's one of the things that I always recognize. Just me being the type of nigga that I am and knowing that, man, this nigga ain't got to be round niggas for real. This nigga really could be on some like, I should have seen so phony and boring though, man. Like, cause we all came across the niggas who really, you know, believe in their own smoke and they try to treat niggas different because of whatever reason.      So how do you balance that? You know what I'm saying? I always say solid, recognize solid. And then when you just lay out the platform, people can go get it where they want to get it. You know what I mean?     Like it was all right there for him. And you see his work ethic, you know what I mean? Some people just, like you said, this nigga's purpose in life is to be better. Like, I think I want to be able to get back. In life metaphorically, not like selling kuchi. I didn't think we know what you're talking about. Selling kuchi of life.  You know what I mean? This nigga right here wanted all. You know what I mean? And I also see you too, cause I use you as an example. I'm like, bro, I'm watching you land in. I'm talking about literally like 20 minutes before we go on stage.  You be like, what nigga? Oh, he gone. Oh yeah, in LA?  It's just a clock. In LA already, but you gotta come back tomorrow cause we gotta shoot three more. How do you balance really being the busiest motherfucker I know? I'm talking about no cat.  How do you balance it all out?  Like, so when you wake up and God said, like, all of this is yours, then I'm gonna go try to get it all. And I'm not gonna, like, obviously you gotta take care of yourself and your health and wellness first. But once we pass that, I'm out here cooking to the, so I can't cook no more.  Like, it's, to me, every idea is a great idea till we come up with the best idea.  Like, if I see an opportunity, somebody has to bag over there, it's an easy bag to go get. Like, I'm trying to be one of those cats that just understands how to diversify your portfolio on every single level. So whether it's entertainment business in front of the camera, behind the camera, I'm always gonna be constantly thinking, what's the next play? What's the next move? So, luckily, I'm still, I got that youthful energy so I can still go. Like, you said, I don't have to do it no more. I can be chilling on the island somewhere, but it's like, I'm always trying to figure out how to be innovative in what's the next wave. So, I can't keep cooking. What did that come from for you?  That nigga will stop you red now. They got a new idea and nobody knew it. And I just, I mean, I got it from him. I mean, he came from the streets to the pool pit to, you know, and then even, you know, just growing up around D-Boys and hustlers, niggas just trying to figure out how to get it.   I don't think I was a child starter. That's the, I think to the world it probably was, but I lived a whole regular life.  To what age, nigga? To what age? Selling weed, nigga. You know, Nickelodeon at 14, man. No, I wasn't. Nigga was grown, like, yeah. You just looked 14. Like, that's what I'm saying. You was grown. Nigga's been bossing weed from nigga. Do you own Nickelodeon? No, nigga. I was an executive there. I was the chairman for years, but that's what I'm saying.  You know what I mean?  Like, if it wasn't in the game, it should be. He was selling more than weed. That's what I was doing in high school. I was talking about, but I was being groomed to be that next nigga, to kind of operate like that. And it could have went that way. And I had a lot of partners that did go that way. A lot of them niggas is still serving. So how did you get into it? How'd you get into it? And give us the day that Nick Canada didn't have to sell weed no more. And you ever do all that? Nigga, I'll tell you, this is God Dying is Truth, man.  Like, my area in another area really was getting at it. And partners was just getting shot, dying. And I remember going, I remember I went to my grandpa. I'm literally scared for my life.  And, you know, God's Honest Truth, he gave me this book called Name It and Claim It by Dr. Fred Price. That was our pastor at Crenshaw Christensen. And he was like, if you keep speaking that, that's gonna happen to you.  Like, you gotta speak things into existence. And that book was called Name It and Claim It. That was probably the first book when I was about, you know, 15, 16 that I had ever really read if it starts being kept reading it over. And I literally, you know, whatever you desire, believe it when you pray it and you shall have it. Also, Mark 11, 23 type stuff. Really just living it.  And I'm like, this is in high school. And I literally, why Homies was going through it. And I was like, it's starting to air. I couldn't even go no more. We couldn't go to the hall no more. We couldn't go to different football games because it was active. And I was like, yo, I gotta remove myself out of this environment. So I started catching rides two hours away to Hollywood, standing outside the comedy store, the improv, the live factory just with grown niggas. It was everybody from Chappelle to Pierre to Dwayne's. Like, I'm just a kid standing outside sleeping on Jamie Foxx couch. Like, just really just trying to figure out how not to go back to the hood.  And I was just like, this is my vision. I'm gonna speak it. And really, I ended up graduating high school early. And I was on, I was writing for TV shows. I was the warmup on Nickelodeon. I started, at the time it was WB and all I was doing, all of that, getting holding deals. Jamie Foxx had a comedy festival down here called Laugh a Pelusa, deal out that joint.  And I was fresh out of high school, you know what I mean? But I had escaped the life that I was like, and once I saw that, I was like, I'm gonna square up like a box of Apple Jackson, just really just whatever y'all say, I'm gonna focus. And so Nickelodeon came, I was like, yeah, I'll be a little kid for y'all, let's get it.  Cause it was just like, a whole week or just, all the comedians in the country just go, how about it, what's it in? I got my kids deal at the first Laugh a Pelusa. We would rock the uptown, we would do different arena. It was crazy. Everything in between, all the comedians from on the whole urban scene, man. Yeah, Chris Tucker had a club out here. He used to bring me down like, again, everybody who started out young would look out for the other young niggas. So they was like, I remember being a teenager. So I remember Chris Tucker flew me and Mike Epps out here to do his club and put us in the same room.  This nigga had all kinds of bitches. Tell them niggas. No, but that's the, those are my OGs, those dudes that show me how the game go. And that's, you know, obviously they was, he was young, Mike was young, like niggas. Like Chris was the nigga popping at the time.   Nigga, all the time, nigga, all the niggas that was all wildin' out in the early season.  No, I love nigga.  Nigga, I don't. See, he know, are you the same kind of nigga? I was a little boy. See these shit, chup? Nigga, Spanky and all the niggas and shit, Joe Blunt, all of them, Thomas Wardade, they was older, they used to live in the jungles in L.A. And I would come up and I'd have to sleep on they floor. You know what I mean? Spankin' them floors? Yeah, like, yeah.  You know what I mean?  Yeah, but the reason I ask is because how did you handle, how did you handle it? What's the most important part of the equation that makes you say, I ain't gonna do it negative way I could?   To me, I almost, niggas know what I got. Like, you get to a point, I ain't got, I'm gonna stunt on some niggas that is doing bad, like, that ain't, like, that ain't, he's like, what would you do?  No. Like, put him up, in his chair, sweet.  Nah, but I'm just saying, cats like that, when you come around, and you're like, so, any project I'ma do, I'll put that in here, and move to school, dance, or, you know, whatever, wild and out, creative, podcast, whatever I could do to help cats, that have been with me since I was 15 years old, like, and that's who, you know, whoever it is, from, like I said, Spanky, Scratchel, to whoever else that, we was riding with the niggas, obviously that we already know is, you know, making hella money now, from the niggas, from Kevin Hart, to Cat Williams, it was like, we came up together. Hey, you and this niggas stayed pranking each others. Yeah, I got a hold of that damn prank show. They done gave us millions of dollars to prank niggas now, we good, like, we gon' have some real fun. That was, we used to come out of our own pockets to prank each other, now we got budget.  I'm gonna say, huh. Niggas thought they was on spirit, and sent that niggas to Jupiter. Don't bite me. I'm good, Slim, I don't do meaty like you are. Do you buy the niggas a lot? Nah, man, don't break me, man.  You and Carlos is finally gon' be in the movie. We show up to set niggas and Scratchel there with some boxing gloves on. Man, yeah, I wanna see if he can make it. There's a rolling tape. There's a rolling, like, they with the five, man. With the pop, man. He like, put the skates on, Slim. Put the skates up, cause I'm not fighting with the skates on, Slim.  When you get to that point, like, what is the shit that make you wanna keep creating outside of the money? Like, is it legacy?  Like I said, that's why me and Kev do what we do.  Like, we- Has it ever not been fun?  But, you know, we got a lot of them people out the way.  We do three episodes in one day and have fun. If you ain't having fun, you shouldn't be there. And that's just, I'll tell you that from, you know, from the top to the bottom, from the executives to catering. Like, look, we about love, peace, and having a good time.  I overheard you on one podcast and you were talking, you just saying about the ups and downs about the beingness and whatever. Right. And a lot of people will assume that a month before I took it. Oh, yeah, I had to show them off. Yeah, a month before I took it. Good looking. A lot of people- It's got that motherfucking jacket I gave you. I might ask for that motherfucking jacket. I ain't got it no more. Conceited got it. Oh, oh, y'all think it's time to- You got it, you got it. You got it. You got it worth about 50. Well, he got it now.  Nigga, I don't have it at all. Me and Conceited, me and Conceited.  It was just on Jupiter, nigga. So we had to get to the point where we could afford them outfits you was wearing.   I don't give, because I know you don't need it. And this jacket was like 50. I know it didn't come out of your pocket. Let me get that money.  Always nice to me, always Chico. I love you so much.  She came around the corner like she was gray. See about me. Hey, what's up with the jacket at? I'm like, what jacket, man? What you talking about? She was like, did Nick give you the jacket? Nigga, she walked me over there like a principal.  Yeah, she walked me there. Like, did you say he could have this? He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said he could have it. I was like, yeah, I could have it.  I ain't, you know what I mean? Nigga, Nick say, baby, he was gonna give some shoes away. That nigga, Chuck, I'm about to go get the shoes. He pulled me.    Nigga's all wear the same.   No, he ain't calling me. Nigga asked me on the show how many bitches Nick gave me.  Chuck called me and said, yo, yo, what you say about Nick? I said, nigga, watch the rest of the clip. He called me back. He was like, all right. Nigga ain't gave me no bitches. I got my own bitches now, nigga. Have at it. I won't credit for having my own bitches. Thank you.  Don't be calling me, Chuck.  That I wouldn't say in front of him. He didn't know that. Nah, I was saying I had that scene in the park as well.  I'ma say it to him first. Then I say it.  Thank you. He knows I'm a terrible person. We have a great relationship. People are always asking me about this nigga. He is here.  I've been knowing Nick when he had two kids. Just a jump, but nah, I was asking. I seen the podcast where you was talking about the way the elevation of the game and they can go up and down.  It was really crazy.  Damn, nigga. He didn't even talk about it. Nigga, that's a long time. That's it. He's gonna stand up 30 years. I started doing stand up and it was like 12, 11, 12 years old. You thought it was you in the game, but I remember you saying that when you did drum live. Yeah. You was like, I only had 60,000 miles in my pocket when they called.  I might not even have that because that's what they paid me to do drum live. That's what they paid you to do drum live. You did drum live. You did drum live. I didn't really, I mean, it was check to check. But at that time, drum live was my biggest check. I mean, I was 60. Speak on that, nigga. Check to check in the industry. It's household name and motherfuckers know you. Right. But we live in check to check. I mean, that's just like everybody's job. And you're like, I was doing, I was probably making more money doing stand up. Then I was getting off a TV at that time. You know what I mean? Because, you know, early days of Nickelodeon, they weren't paying. That's why I was writing too. I was trying to write and do all of that because there was more checks there. I do the warm up, show up, grab that 500. Like I was just trying to hustle. I was dancing on Soul Train. Stop, man. That nigga is sweating. Me and Atheon. I'm about to say Atheon talking.  I'm like, yeah. I'm talking about the alien Jones. I was like, Paul Tree. Bro, you ever worked with that nigga that looked just like you? That nigga, the other nigga.  Oh, I know what you talking about. That nigga was in Roe Bown. The nigga was in Westwood? Nigga, we was in Roe Bown together.     That nigga was, you talking about Westwood Jonathan. Bro, I guess that's it, man. He had city guys. He had to show these to come on Saturday mornings on NBC. So that nigga was popping. Yeah, yeah. That was his little bro.  Yeah. You know what I mean?   So I didn't even really have to audition a lot. I'd be like, yo, send the casting director, send the director to improv that night into the comedy store.  And so I would skip over a lot of shit, but like, you know, like, I mean, y'all haven't heard the story, nigga, every young black kid in music and in Hollywood audition for drum line.  So I'm like, I knew I was musical. So I knew how to move around.  You know what I mean? It was his first two movies. But before that, he was just a dope music, you know, video commercial director. And he saw something in me, man. And it's just like out of thousands of niggas.  You're here to silk the shocker, talking about it, T.I., everybody. Like, nigga, when I tell you- Silk the shocker? Yeah, everybody, nigga.  The niggas from TV shows, movies.  Silk the motherfucking shocker in their tummage.  That nigga from Louisiana.  If not drum line, what would you say, what was the moment for you? It was like, aw, shit, I made it. I agree with you. I still don't feel like that. I don't feel like that.  Like, nigga, I'm in all your niggas. Like, I'm constantly hustling. I know you hustling. We talking about when the shit got different, when the check got different. Well, I could tell you like the biggest check, but even in like. I don't want no big check.  Why? It's the biggest check, I don't feel like it's anything. It's the biggest check, I don't feel like it's anything.  What the guy?  I know it's out there.  Like, we all knew why it did not change. It helped change. Well, see, no, but you gotta remember what we are for y'all. For y'all. No, but while it out wasn't a success when it first dropped out.  And I was just like, you know, we was just, we was doing well, but we was waiting, are they gonna pick us up? And they get, while it out season, the first season was six episodes. And we just wanted to get to season two dog. And then they gave us eight. We thought we was on eight.   It did well, but they didn't market it. They didn't promote it. They didn't have no billboards, barely, like commercials was only on BET. But the culture fucked with it and turned it into the classic. Like, so everything, like, I've never had that where a whole system or a whole studio believes in you.  Like, there's a different, there's certain people that a whole studio would get behind. You're like, we want to turn this person into a movie star. You want to turn this person into a television star.   I'm outside the system. Everything I did, all my success, I had to work for. Ain't nobody ever believed in me.  And that's why I believe in niggas like y'all because I know that pain. I know that pain.     In fact, so you got that side.   You got that side of it, right? That side that you dealing with on the corporate side and the Hollywood side.  Like, make a real nigga. You know what I mean? Listen. Oh yeah, listen. Yeah, all the way. Yeah, we standing there like. Nick, one more time.  Yeah, all the way. Nick, I ain't hear my nigga. He ain't get it. Yeah, all the way. But we, let's go talk.  He go right up high and be like.   But Buddy was just, he was talking. You know what I mean? But like, you dealing with that on that side, but you've never seen it.  I'm Corny, nigga.   Like, why haven't you felt the need to ever address that part?   But you never addressed that.  Like, that's like, it don't really like, I like when niggas call me Corny nigga. That's, that's my motherfucking like decoy. I'll take that all day. Like, I don't, I want you to underestimate.  So cause then now I got the upper hand, whatever the situation is.   It's beauty. I don't blow my cover. Like, I wanna be, I'm Corny. Yes, that's it. It is what it is. And then it's Markable. Niggas, it's Markable. I always say, Niggas, the Corny is, you know, that's the misunderstanding.   Like, chicks really like Corny motherfuckers. If you, they want you to make them laugh. Don't be on here giving relationship, everybody. I ain't giving no advice. You get terrible, I ain't giving no advice. You give terrible advice. I'm asking them questions.  That's the morning show.  You starting off the morning giving out bad advice.  I don't know.  When you never liked what we were getting paid, you were like, y'all need to get a lawyer and walk off. I'm like, okay. Exactly what that nigga told me. But the first time he didn't need to walk off, the niggas said, y'all niggas get a lawyer and went and laid at his bunk on the bus. And he was like, is this nigga just gonna get in the bunk? After telling us, you don't like that. Well, y'all niggas went and got lawyers. Can you see what them? But I don't give advice on camera is what I'm saying. Right here. So what would you say is hard? It's okay. As a man with many gifts, many talents, I understand. Got the hosting. Got the comedy. Got creative content. Got music, my brother. Movies. Movies. What would you say was the hardest to grab? The hardest to achieve? I know you're saying you're still open to it.  It's not based off of talent. So niggas don't sit around and know I play seven instruments and make all the beats on while and out there. It's just like, you gotta have a story, a trajectory.   Y'all niggas is gifted, but they wanna hear about the nigga that was trapping or the nigga that just got out. It's like they don't see you. That's how it works. Yeah, so it's like, which is cool because there's something to it because niggas like authentic.  They like a nigga. Like that's why today the biggest D-boy in the hood can become the biggest rapper in the world because oh, this nigga is certified and they get respect in this field. So all we gotta do is put this nigga together with some rhyming words and a dope beat. And he outta here. So a nigga who's not trying to do that but can come up in the church and sit on the organ and sit on the drums and all of that stuff, those usually don't be the dudes that succeed in that space.  I done built careers but I'm never wanting to gloat to be like oh, I wrote that song or I did this or like I just, but the music game is always gonna be a challenge. One, it's a young man's game. So to be able to stay current and really, again, y'all niggas keep me hot. You know what I mean? The next generation of artists that I'm looking to find, the new show I got, Future Superstars, I'm finding teenagers. I'm finding and I learned that game from the Quinty Jones and the L.A. Reed and all that.  Go find some old niggas who never got a chance. They too old. I did that on America's Got Talent.  I did that already.   Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of them early seasons of Wildin' Out, you was bringing her around, like H-E-R, her? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember Lil Gabby. Yeah, like you was like, this was, this is, you know, my new artist or somebody I'm working with at the time.  That's how it is. I put her on Nickelodeon.  Like it was, I've always had a knack to know who's gonna be next in the young talent space. So, you know, it's one of those things where we continue in that vibe, but I think now I'ma probably stick my chest out a little bit more and be like, yo, I'll produce that record, or I'll put that person on the side of me. You gotta do it a little bit more. I never wanted to though, because I always like to play it back. The news industry, they know, but then they be like, if they know, no, you was behind it. They like, oh, because in the music game, it's so many different platforms and so many different titles and jobs.  And then sometimes it might be better that people don't know because they know you did it and just don't act like they don't like it just because they know you did it. You know what I mean?  But if you don't wanna put your name on it, then a nigga. Yeah, that's why I have my, like even when I used to produce records for Mariah and shit, I didn't want people to know, so I had an alien.  So it was the Heatmizer. So it was like, I was in my family. Man, all the names, you could have been my, the Heatmizer.  I see you a young nigga, you don't know the Heatmizer. Oh, he about the legs on me. Yeah, but please, I, see, here you go.      And then it was the other nigga with the flame hair. That nigga was the Heatmizer. All the niggas were Heatmizer.  So what beat did the Heatmizer, what's the hottest beat that the Heatmizer made for Mariah Carey?  It's a rap. Well, you know what you should have produced. I'll put Mary J. Blige on the remix of that mother's song. Well, if you would have produced that damn Christmas song.  Now, that was great.   God got my back. The universe finds a way to put you in front of the world and everything you say and do is right there for the to be consumed by the public.   And I'm like, ain't no way that nigga said that out loud, man. But where does that come from? Just fatigue of giving a fuck? I mean, I think I always just been the same nigga, Mike. It just, I think like you said, if the spotlight is on me, I'm gonna keep it a stack. You asked me a question. I'm gonna answer it to the best of my ability and truthfully. Now you're gonna be trolling sometime though. But something, yeah, now. Yeah, except what I'm saying now. Like, what is the change? Because it's like, I'm in this business.  So you gotta know how to maneuver in these spaces.      Speaking of media manipulation and, you know, we ain't never talked about this or whatever.  And we was fired. I think it was fired. We was fired.  We was fired. During the pandemic, bro. I ain't gon' tip to around it. During the pandemic, bro. During the pandemic, bro. I was talking about it, I got that. I mean, during the pandemic.  Well, how did you feel when, because nobody was, I ain't never got off no money. It was an interview and they asked me. Right, right. And for you, if they wanted to replace me, how much money was it gonna take you to get on the show?  They asked you to get off the breakfast club.    I appreciate it. You know, I wouldn't take the money. Yeah, we know that.    Take a hand. You know, I would've took the money. No, we would've. I like that, man.  Right, right.  Right. Because we do so much. We ain't got emotions. Facts. And we ain't got feelings.  Well, you were like, God damn.  Like, it's funny because a lot of, okay, if you remember how it actually played out. Oh, I remember. I remember I was at the house. I'd never watched Wilder Count. They got mad.  Right. And literally, behind closed doors, they said, we have to make an example out of it. Because, you know, other people were in our space and I was talking reckless. Right, yeah. And it got back to me. I was like, they want to make an example out of me. Like, what is that supposed to mean? Right.  Right.  You know, and so then they offered it back to me. Immediately. Like, how can we figure this out? And there was a lot of amazing people that, you know, that I worked with for years. That's what I said. You can't ever even blame an individual when you're talking about corporations. Because there's boards, there's shareholders. You know what I mean? People that have been putting money into it for a long time. And the majority of the people understood, you know, niggas family, even at this company, since he was a teenager. And there were some people that literally, like, we got to make an example out of him.  This is my brand. I've owned it for the majority of the time. And I want this, I want that. We did the evaluations. We knew how many billions it was worth. Like, we was ready to go to war. And I was like, if I never stepped foot back on that motherfucking stage again, I was done with Wilder now. Cause I was just like, one, I had a whole, I was getting more money at other networks. Fox had my back, solid, you know what I'm being like? You know what I'm talking about, Fox, yeah. So it was like, I'm good. And like, I was cool. Like, you know, I walked away from NBC. I walked away from millions, a couple of years earlier than that. And then doubled up and got the number one show on Fox, believing in myself.  And like, I was like, so whatever they want. And then when I heard Jop, we did an interview and a couple other people on shit, I was like, damn, it's a lot more people that love this brand and eating off this brand and providing for their families with this brand. So I was like, I'll come back and do it for them. I was 21, 20 years old, right? So for me with that kind of money, still living in the projects, we had to figure it out. What's happening, Phoenix?  Where y'all been? What's happening? And I'm not speaking for every man. And if I make it to be making 200 million, nigga, I can make 200,000.  So if Zion, if you want to do that, live your life. What's up, y'all? It's your girl, Lex P. And it's your girl, Dray and Nicole. And you are tuned in to another episode. Show these little tricks. Now they by how I done took y'all everywhere. Now come on over.  What we got right here? This granddaddy, man, this is what I got for my 40th. I ain't do nothing to it. Usually I put 40s on everything I got. I ain't do nothing to this, but put some music in there. You know what I'm saying? Did you do the do on it? Did you do the booty cat? Did you do the booty? Ooh, you was hitting on that joint? Yeah, 100% give him a booty, ate all that. A guy, damn, okay? That's living a life.  Hey. No, but shit, nigga, be broken in this, man. Think about it.  You be like, I know God ain't got me out here living like this. Barry and native, you understand me?  If you ain't never broke a female with no chicken. Now, it's nothing that you know men should glorify and be proud of, but you know, it's just culture. I'll come back. We wasn't coming back, man.  Wish I woulda did Jason Derulo present.  Got that one pretty much. Jason Derulo presents while in the Rulo.  They remember that to me as a Ryan Seacrest present. Yeah, a Ryan Seacrest present, wasn't that? That was so crazy, man. ASAP put that out there with like, let's just try to put a white face on it to see how they were right. Oh my God, Larry. We was like, what? Nah, but nigga.  Nah, nah, that. But that's, I mean, that's what it was. I saw so many other, you know how many families we provide for were wildin' out? You know what I mean? I know one in particular. Mine, motherfuckers. I don't know. But that's what I'm sayin'. So it's like, I came back because I wanted to do it for everybody else. And even now, that's why we, you know, try to give other people, we, the funny thing that you say like, behind closed doors in the business, meetings and stuff, because as you see, there's a lot of stuff goin' on, the mergers in this company, buying this company, and this, so I know how much value Wildin' Out has. I know the digital numbers. I know the ticket sales when we doin' the live nation tours. So, and a lot of times they try to keep us in the dark. They don't want you to know your value. So I know the value, so I'm like, yo, Wildin' Out should be its own network. We produced enough content, enough stars. We goin' towards 500 episodes. So just based off of that alone, you know how much value is it just in that IP alone? Nigga, like you said, look what friends is worth. Look what Seinfeld is worth. Nigga, this ain't got half the amount of episodes we got. You know what I mean? The thing that you think is a success, look at what we've done over the years. Look at all the millionaires we done made and produced.  Ah, you can play the games if you want to, give it back, watch what I do with it. And that's where they don't want us to know how much power is in it, but the power is in us. That's why when y'all with y'all build with 85 South, it's like keep goin' cause you quietly showing them bigger studios and networks that you don't need them.  It's great to see y'all on TV, but they also gonna follow you over here and they gonna make sure they gonna come see you in a city. They gonna wear your merch. And that's the stuff, that's magic in a bottle. You can't get that every day. That comes with a lot of responsibility though. I think that's the part that people don't talk about. Like, cause I know like in the space of Wild'n Out, we didn't been through trends, you didn't been Nick Cannon the whole time, but we didn't debate, ain't nobody know who Chico Bean was in season five or you know, like Carlos Miller to where we are now. You know what I'm sayin'? So I've seen when the environment be a certain way and then you walk in the room and everybody's changed. Everybody started doin' somethin' different. And everybody, how do you navigate that?  How do you navigate people in that regard? Cause you been seein' them since the Jeep. I mean, it's one of them things, man. You gotta, it's chess. You gotta let them, they gonna expose themselves. They gonna move how they wanna move. And some people gonna show you how solid they are. And you just gravitate towards that. You know what I mean?  Even when it's inappropriate. They gonna be cussin' out the motherfuckin' cameraman and the tech. But they love me.  Yeah, but then isn't it you who, where we all thinkin' the same thing, but I play the game a little bit more.   See? Like now, my presence speaks for itself.   I just walk in the room and people know what it is. Yeah. Can we set the record straight, man? Right here on motherfuckin', I can't be that high. He's scared of weed. I'll be too high sometimes. Set the record straight. Right here, right now, face to face for the motherfuckin' world, man.  I'm tired of asking this goddamn question.  Nah, you don't even tell, y'all wanna tell the truth? Yeah. Yeah. We been, yeah. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. Yeah, I gotta be watchin' and be like, yeah, do it. I don't get the question. Before you answer, I speak from the, I've never been fired. Right. We have been done in a way to where it's like, damn. Like, what has a nigga been doing on these script? Like, I'm not a nigga. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. I wanna know the truth. I'm not the nigga. I'm not the nigga. You know my person.  But they put you in a position where it's like, nigga, is that what I get?  Or do I just have to say my feeling, sir?  You'll see what?  Hey, we came to niggas. To you, like, bruh, nah, like, whatever we gotta do to get this nigga back here because the environment ain't the same. Like, who do that?  Man, I told y'all for the game, I'm glad y'all even already laid it out there because y'all already talked about the origin in this conversation already. When we was on that motherfuckin' tour bus, and I told y'all, nigga, go get lawyers.  Don't let nobody tell you anything different. This whole motherfuckin' world is ran by attorneys. Like, go home and watch the motherfuckin' devil's advocate. Are y'all already at home?   And if you got a good, solid lawyer rocking with you that ain't in the pockets of the other motherfuckers, because I swear to you, even your lawyers can be playing both sides.  And they all under the same entity.  So that's the groundwork. So I'm gonna tell y'all what I have to do with every single season. Every single season they tell me I gotta cut the budget. And I figure out how to ways to maneuver because again, they don't wanna nigga know his value. Even though our shit's steady rising, they gon' try to find something they gon' tell me, well, you know your 3 AM shows aren't really rating as much as well.  We know what the numbers is doing online. So again, we let them give us, they give us a number. And again, motherfuckers' jobs to keep telling you a lower number. So, and that's every season. So the goal is, they always wanna seem like they got more power. And as I said, there's a lot of people who ain't there no more, who were in positions of power that would say stuff that like everybody's replaceable. You know what I mean? And just, you're like, all right, well, that ain't the brand I'm rocking with. But I understand what you're saying because of what we built. Nobody's bigger than a brand. We really trying to get to it. So has this loud outspoken motherfucking has always been from day one. Somebody hands off. He probably said, I don't even know. Like again, I don't know, but he didn't have too many friends in higher places to say, but he looked like somebody that was, as they considered a troublemaker. And y'all remember, there's been incidents where people would get- Incidents? Nah, I'm not just saying you, but there would be certain, we'd have to have conversations with HR because we might've said something about a certain community.  And they went and complained about the, again, smoking and whatever. It's always, if you get, just like at any job, if somebody writes you up to me and tell me, now you won't notice. They paying attention and you get the, you get the jacket of a rival rouser, a troublemaker. That's just, and you know, we all been there, but he was probably one of the more louder ones. So when he came up, and again- Man. We gonna keep it a stack. Keep it a stack. When everybody, at no point that anybody say, we don't want Carlos, we don't want you. We all have representation. And when the way it got back to me and a couple of other executives is, you know, when it's time to renegotiate for your deal, Carlos, rightly so, was like, Carlos don't want that deal. Carlos want money, Carlos want it. Like, as his represent- All of our representatives have shown us. And even based off of how we sit here right now, they value all of us differently. I'm the only one, I get to see everything. But you know, even at the time, they give, he got holding deals, he doing other shows, he doing MTV moves. So they value DC differently. So they'll say, well, as long as we got DC, we're good. And it's like, but, you know, we all want to be good.  I want everybody back. Even the niggas Carlos don't like, I want everybody good. Because if that's, I know my budget is larger. And I can move it around. I get niggas more episodes. Cause if I say, cause like right now our cast members, they try to get me down to six on six with the team captain. So it's really included myself as seven on seven. Y'all remember, there's been seasons, there's been. 13 on 13. Because I was like, I want to make, I can maneuver it around as much as I want to. So we're never like, all right, well, we're going to send everybody's deals out. And we're going to see who comes back. You know, it should even happen this season when niggas don't come talking back the way they like it. Oh, he doesn't want to do it anymore. And that's how I got it. There's like Carlos isn't signing his deal. And I'm like, and I'm in the same position as y'all niggas. Nigga almost didn't come down to this motherfucker until they got my money right. So as much as I'm going to hold it down to be like, but they do me the same way. And I got a, I got a whole tight stand on my square. And be like, no, I ain't coming until you get to, and I see the numbers. I know what everybody get. I know the value. So in those situations when, again, you got to, the people demand, we knew we wanted those back.  Like, that ain't, that's never how it was. I'm going to tell everybody, Nick cried when I came back, y'all. He cried when I came back. He cried, yeah.  It was when it was before the camera came on. Yeah, the nigga hid in my dressing room. Yeah, Nick, Nick cried. He ain't even wonder about it. But that was one of the funnest episodes ever. That was one of the, because when he came out at, this is probably the only time we've done this, as I know for speaking from our perspective, because that's the thing that from my vantage point that always makes me say, well, damn, what is the, you know, what is the, the credit come in for the type of people that we are in the environment and understanding it was necessary? Because if we wanted to, we could just go out there and just, I'm talking about brave motherfuckers. And, and wouldn't be nothing nobody could do. You know what I'm saying? Like literally it wouldn't be nothing they could be done. But we understand the structure of the, this is a team sport. So we understand that it's like, man, we got to make everybody look good. Hey, bruh, don't do this, don't do that. Do this, do that.   Sit down and watch, nigga. Right. That was it. That was the same episode y'all gotta have with my little brother. Yeah. That nigga, see that nigga's famous in the hood.  Yeah. He was great on that boy. That nigga was. They designed him astro boots after that nigga. He was the only one that had the heart to step up and do something. Everybody else was like, bruh. Ah, is it because the jam was back together. The jam was back together. Yeah, cause that's what, that's the part of it. That's me and the most of us.  That's the part where we'd be like, man, what is y'all, how do y'all not understand that this is here? Because we entertain each other. I see them go up.  When he go up, I be like, I know that nigga Chico got something clever to say. And when I go up, I look at them. I get confirmation.  What you do? I'm gonna, yeah. Y'all to live an example of solid.   And even them niggas broke up. You know what I mean? Like y'all niggas really want to see each other win.  Name another time.  Exactly. Like, the niggas was beefing backstage.  And the world watched you get it out the mud. And still keep it in the trap. And still show loyalty and love. I ain't even niggas rootin' from D-boys to rappers. All the niggas break up. You know what I'm saying? All niggas can't never break up niggas.  All right, that's bad.   It's a community unity.  Like niggas is like, niggas, niggas is like, like we really love you, Slim.  Like niggas. A decade, niggas. And that long, that long. Shit that you did, bro.  Nigga, y'all ain't doing no work. We got to work in the morning, nigga. We got to be on the set, nigga.  I'll be there, nigga.  You can stand more day. Yeah, nigga. All right, nigga, let's come back. Y'all three gotta be together. I mean, I wish you'd tell the network that. Yeah, well, yeah, you say that now, we're gonna get it up on the next run of this. Let's keep it a track, though. I understand how it goes. No, no, let's keep it a track. I got to pay for that. There you go. But I want to see that work. You got a lot of money. And that's what I'm saying. I just invited the nigga to be on the episode. When that mean, we're gonna have to charge you a lot more, because we know you got more. You can say it. I'm talking about that nigga right there. You have a lot of money. No. Before you go, nigga, I got so much money. I got to ask you this, and we do got it, because we'll be here forever. But I'm a big, big proponent of what you said about the freedom of being able to say what you want, and manipulating the media before you, like. Before they get you.    But for you, nigga, you take it to another level. Like I got on the breakfast club and said, I don't never want to be married or be in a relationship.  Right, right, right. But when I said it on the breakfast club, nigga, you should have seen the comments and I'm talking about, it was crazy. Nigga, you be saying shit, but I'll be like, bro, this is beyond honesty.  Like what is you, as best as you can explain before we roll? What is your perspective on relationships with women?  That's another episode, I got to come back. Well, we gon' talk and lead into the next episode. It's energy, man. At the end of the day, whatever makes you happy, that's what I offer. You know what I mean?  So when it comes to love, I offer, I'm 100% from the gate. I can say, yo, I can elevate you. I can take you to places you ain't ever been before, but you gotta trust me. And it's gonna be a different level of freedom, like to where I'm so confident in who I am and hopefully the woman I'm dealing with is so confident in who she is that we can operate on some new shit and we don't gotta get stuck in these old school traditional colonialism type of scenarios.  And then so from there, don't everybody, everybody don't go for the shit, but I gotta take those sacrifices that pretty much like, all right, we built, we had time on this planet at a certain frequency where we was vibing, but you want different things out of life. The women who want the white picket fences and the monogamy, they're amazing women before a certain type of naked. I want somebody who want more than that. I don't want somebody who wants ownership.    And you're looking like they started to believe you. They're gonna be crazy. No, this is not, it ain't got nothing to do with that, nigga, that's a bill. But like, to hear you say that at the level that you were, it's like, you know what I mean, okay, there is a level you can get to as a man and not be respected. My granddaddy was like that, like his granddaddy, like it was- He was running our family. But I say this to say it's not a scenario to where it's, I mean, as Carlos would say, pimping and giving them game.  Right. Like it's- You're my coach. That's the game. But when you, when I say you can be happy- Pimping is just how you play it. And here you go. You can be happier over here. You know what I mean? That's pimping. Proper information motivation. Hey, positive images make it move. Mike, making power moves.  August the 26th, I'm pulling up at the Lexington Opera House. I might be on a third bread post. Something that you can pull up to the Kentucky Derby with. But that's, that's neither here nor there. Make sure you click the link, go to the website and get the tickets. And if you don't, I'm gonna be highly disborded This is Lexington, Kentucky. Lexington. Pull up.  It might be that weekend.  Shit. We need this money. At the end of the day, we gotta sell out this tour, man. Shit. What's up, what's up, what's up? These are not our clothes. These are not our cars. But we will be in Huntsville, Alabama. On what? The 19th. There you go. October 19th. October 19th, right. October 19th, stand up live. Huntsville, Alabama. All our, all our Alabamians, you know. I got special guests coming. I already talked to them. Carly Russell will be in the building. That's so cute. Check this out, check this out, check this out. Not only is Carly Russell coming. Nick Saber. We also having a meet and greet where you're gonna be able to see us. You're gonna be able to kick it with car. Carly gonna host the search party afterwards. It's gonna be amazed. And that baby, that baby gonna be there too. The baby. That baby. That baby. That baby. Tell me that he got a baby at all, man. It was my baby. It was now. It was me. It was me. He had on no, she had on no pants and a shirt. And I was doing it then. Is that I'm gonna do at the meet and greet? When you get back then, you see me doing this. Ladies, just follow me. Yeah. You the only person I seen let the ladies do body shots off you. Yeah. You being real freaky, y'all. So that's what you meant to. Well, man, man, no. This is family business to him. And that's not my family business. I'll be the left by that time. But when they start dressing like Donald Duck, that's when I leave. That's why you gotta get them tickets at 85southshow.com. 85southshow.com. That's right. October 19th. 100s. 100s of Alabama. I'm gonna run some float with me. You know, we're gonna get into all the children and all that. Your perspective. We're part two. We're part two. We'll say that first of all to the ladies and all that. We're part two. We're part two.  Man, we know you're extreme. Let's get it out of here.  We're gonna let you say nothing crazy. We know you're extremely busy.  I like it. We're 10 deep in there. No, we're gonna be in there 100 more. Big catch. 85southshow.com. Let's get to the finish very quick before we wrap up. Ow. OG, we appreciate you. Man, man. Yes. Love you, yo, yeah.


In this video I'm going to talk about, I think, called spontaneity. Now, I'm not just going to talk about spontaneity for the sake of it. I'm going to do that because it can have the benefit of changing your life if you can really understand what spontaneity is and incorporate it more into your life. Already you may have a reaction of, oh God, spontaneity. What good is that going to do me? That's nice for other people. Maybe at some point I can be spontaneous, but I've got problems. I need to deal with things. Now, if that's your reaction, stay with me in this video because I completely accept that maybe you have issues and you have things you're worried about and you have responsibilities and everything else. But spontaneity is one of the things that can actually help you deal with those things in a way that you probably can't even imagine right now. So stay with me as we talk about how spontaneity can help improve almost every aspect of your life. Okay, when you think about spontaneity maybe the first thing you think of is somebody frolicking through a summer meadow and just not a care in the world, completely spontaneous. Just do whatever they feel like doing. And of course for most of us that does feel like it's a million years away. The good news is that's not what I'm talking about because I could say to somebody, go and be spontaneous and they'd say, well what does that look like? And if I told them we'll go and frolick in a summer meadow that's not very helpful because why are they doing that, right? It can't be planned obviously if it's going to be spontaneous in any case. But here's my definition of spontaneity. And it's very simple, it's very practical. Spontaneity is a space in which there are no goals, intentions, self-improvement, motives, anything. So spontaneity is a space. Spontaneity is not an action, it's not even an intention, it's not a behavior. Spontaneity is a space. Now if we realize that spontaneity is a space, it means well okay, I can control what goes in the spaces of my life. I could probably control that a little bit more. I don't have to convince myself that I can be so relaxed that I have to go on frolick in a summer meadow. Spontaneity is a space and anybody can be spontaneous. Anybody can establish that space for themselves. Now why am I talking about spontaneity? Spontaneity is kind of a counterbalance to something else that we're all very very familiar with which you could consider to be responsibility or obligation or things that are planned and scheduled, right, structure. Now the thing is we all know the importance of structure and responsibility and plans and all this. But in our culture which really runs on structure and plans, this side of the equation, the structured obligated part, has really been lauded and the spontaneous part is seen as secondary, maybe not even important at all. Now if we bring that attitude into our own personal life, the societal attitude towards spontaneity and therefore we overlook spontaneity in our own personal life, we're making a big mistake because spontaneity can be transformative. Now I'll tell you why. Think of the nervous system or the body, it runs very naturally. Now to set goals for ourselves is actually quite an unnatural thing. Only human beings set goals for themselves at all. In the natural world there are no goals, there is no self-improvement, right. Only human beings do this. Now when things are operating naturally, think of all the functions that your body takes care of. It takes care of your blood pressure, it takes care of your heart rate, your temperature, all these different things. Even the fight, flight or freeze response is controlled naturally by your nervous system. The ramping up phase is the sympathetic nervous system and then the parasympathetic nervous system calms you down. Even when you pick something up or you're lifting weights, right, there's a part where your muscle contracts and then it releases. What I'm saying here is in nature the way things operate is that there's two phases to things. There's like a contraction release, contraction release. Even think of your heart moving and pumping blood around your body. The sympathetic nervous system, parasympathetic nervous system. It's kind of biphasic. Now that's natural. Now the area of goal setting, the only thing that humans are the only ones to do this, it becomes unnatural. It involves the conscious mind or the neocortex as opposed to the much older nervous system which does things automatically. Now because of this, we're using this new piece of material for this goal setting stuff which is somewhat removed from the way things work in the nervous system. We are terrible at this biphasic mechanism which runs everything naturally in the nervous system.  Our problem is that we're all turned on in terms of goals or action. Even or maybe especially when we suffer with procrastination or paralyzed with fear about something. The intention, the message consciously is do more, do more, do something, do anything, do it now. It should have been done yesterday, right? And we never actually consciously get trained in telling ourselves the release part of the biphasic thing which is stop, proactively stop. And the thing is in goals and productivity it has to be a conscious signal we send to ourselves to turn it off, right? Goals are not natural, so therefore they're always controlled consciously. So if we're consciously in charge of this, we're in charge of both the phases of the biphasic process, the on, off. We're good at saying on take action but we're very, very bad at identifying when we stop ahead of time, proactively. The problem is consciously we tell our nervous system okay, take action now. The nervous system says, well, okay, and it cooperates. But we forget to tell the nervous system, stop now. We don't give it a conscious order that the contraction phase has ended and now the relaxation phase is here. This has huge implications for us, not sending that signal. With spontaneity, what I'm suggesting is spontaneity is a space. It's a space where we tell the nervous system proactively, deliberately, consciously. We are finished with goals. Now I'm not saying we drop our goals. Of course goals are a good thing. Absolutely. But if we don't consciously know when the goal is finished, when am I stepping away from this, the nervous system is going to be in, stuck in the on mode, right? And over time that will not be good for us at all. It'll actually, will be burnt out and there'll be a backlash for that. The nervous system will stop trusting us in terms of the signals it's receiving and it'll overwrite everything anyway and it'll take over and it'll force us to stop. So spontaneity, what I'm advocating for here is just have a space in your life where there is no self-improvement. Now let's really think about this for a second. Have your goals but have a conscious deliberate space where I am not going to do anything goal related here. At all. If it has any scent of a goal or some kind of a motive for self-improvement. That is not the space in which to do it. Okay. I've heard people say things like, well, someone gave me this self-care plan and I'm supposed to do it after work and there's 15 things on the list and I looked at this self-care plan and it looked good but there's still a motive with that. Spontaneity is a space in which there are no goals. I do not, I'm not dedicating myself or I'm not obligating myself to do anything in that space. Now the default setting for many of us when we start to experiment with spontaneity having that space is that we end up doing very, very little at all. Now it's not always true. In a space of spontaneity you could do something novel, right? And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but I have found for a lot of people the best thing to do is to lean into laziness when you're starting off with spontaneity. That's because so many of us are completely overwhelmed and burnt out of this constant telling ourselves self-improvement, self-improvement is needed all the time.  Spontaneity has a kind of a sibling or a twin brother or sister and it's called laziness. The two of them go together. I actually mentioned it in my book Forget Happiness where I talk about the five basic emotional needs we have. One of them is spontaneity slash laziness, right? Now sometimes spontaneity assuming that you're kind of recovering from depression or you're getting over that or you're getting over a burnout or something it can be a little bit more active but the default should be I'm probably going to do very little here. The only guiding principle for what you do during your space of spontaneity is it can't be anything self-improvement wise and it should be based on what I feel like I genuinely want to do rather than should, have to, must do, none of those. Now be very careful when you start to implement this because it is so subtle the way we find ways to fill up that space with obligations. I'll give you an example. A person might say to themselves well, okay I'm not going to work on my career I'm not going to work on my fitness goals because that's a goal, self-improvement I'm not going to work on learning I'm learning Spanish well that's a self-improvement goal so I can't do that in the space of spontaneity maybe I could catch up on some reading or something and okay that's to do that but then you see spontaneity time now starts to become associated with reading time and now there's already an agenda there there's something waiting in it as opposed to it being a kind of an open blank space for us to go into with no intentions whatsoever so try as best as you can to have absolutely no intentions for it there are no rules for what you do in spontaneity you could say to yourself okay I always take a shower I think I'm going to take a bath okay I'm going to take a bath and listen to some music I used to listen to years ago maybe I'm going to call an old friend maybe I'm just going to sit here and watch a movie it doesn't matter but as long as it's guided by guided by what I genuinely feel drawn to do and it has it is no hint of a goal outer space in your life for goals but this one is a space in which there are no goals okay we have been conditioned to constantly be in self-improvement mode self-improvement is fine but it needs it'll break down you may find that if spontaneity has been missing for you you probably struggled a little bit with self-improvement and gold this could be a big big piece in that for you if you can proactively deliberately consciously bring in a little bit of spontaneity you will find that all your nervous system is much more cooperative in moving forward towards your goals it also helps you set up a boundary with work and goals and things like this because you should always have a boundary it sends a very positive message that builds your self-esteem that you are actually in charge and you're more important than the goal so that's one thing watch out for filling up that space with things very subtly in subtle ways another thing is how long should you spend in spontaneity really that's an individual choice the only thing I would say would be once you ahead of time schedule it do not let obligation overcrowd it okay the main thing isn't how long you spend in spontaneity it's that you honour the commitment to spontaneity once you've said you're going to do that that's much more important than the overall length I would say one thing though because we've been so conditioned to be in self-improvement mode all the time challenge yourself to make that space of spontaneity a little longer than you think is maybe allowable okay push yourself to spend a little longer in it than you think you should now with this if you can bring in this spontaneity try this out you may feel a little bit uncomfortable for a while when you're doing this am I really allowed to do this am I supposed to do this I could do so many things I'm missing out I could do all of this work on my goals the point is if you meet the need for spontaneity you're meeting an emotional need that isn't going away the body needs this space to be switched off from gold and in doing so you're going to actually make it much more likely that you will meet your goals it's an issue of balance the other thing too is spontaneity is an innate emotional need we have so if we do continue to ignore it we don't really have a choice to do that it will there will be sort of the way I put it is if spontaneity is not met these are our five emotional needs if the need for spontaneity isn't met for instance if you want to know the other five I'm going to read my book it's free it's on my website if this need isn't met it sends emotions down into the body that will sort of sabotage your attempts to meet other emotional needs such as say responsibility or finding meaning purpose or creativity things like this spontaneity isn't even about creativity by the way sure you could potentially be creative in it but there should be no intention to be creative in spontaneity spontaneity is literally a space in which there are no goals, no agenda so the takeaway here and I think it's a new concept for a lot of people is that spontaneity is not a thing you do it's not an attitude you have spontaneity is a space you create for yourself in which maybe new novel things can happen because I hope that's a useful video today and thanks as always for being with me and let me know what you think and I'll talk to you again soon bye for now