This is the first time we've been in a church on Sunday for many years. Hi, church. For anybody who doesn't know, I'm Mary Elder Jacobson, and this has worked out loud. This is our third Sunday afternoon reading series for this year. It's our final reading for this fall. And we have been so happy to have our other leaders, Jane Shore, Howard Norman, Allison Freyne, and James Cruz. And today we're incredibly honored to have two accomplished individuals on many levels, Greg Delanti and Madeleine McUnion. The curators of Art at the Kent, Del Amlin, Allison Evans, and David Sheets for their support, and all the volunteers really at the Kent and at the Old West Church for everything that goes into making these two spaces alive and productive. And I particularly want to thank Allison Evans, who's been my co-curator this year for Words Out Loud. She's right there. And I'd like to thank you to Greg Abbott for his radio show on WGDR. He's recording the audio of all three of the readings, and he's going to end up having those online. We'll try to put that on the Kent site to let people know when that's up and you can listen. And also today we have Orca Media filming this reading. And we're grateful to Barathon Books, who made books available for sale at the Kent. And we have a really special announcement that Greg Delanti's very new book, Selected Dick Delanti, which is really due out about October 27th in Hardback. Barathon was able to get it from his publisher, Undyne Limited, yesterday. So we have that at the Kent, and it's a beautiful look. And it's at $19. Cheap. That's my $19. That's our good. And this is our beautiful Z-fold program designed by Linda Moravli of Ravenmark. And it has a little bio of each of the authors. It would be impossible to put all of the prizes and honors and accomplishments of Greg and Malin on a little program. And before, and I'll probably say it again, to me this building that we're in, the Old West Church is like a pole. It has shape and form and repetition. It has good lines. It makes room for different perspectives and different emotions over time. It was built to serve many different people with box pews that encourage interconnection and sharing. And each box offering a different perspective within the same space. Like the Old West Church, which looks one way on the front, but another way on the back, the best poles provide more than one way of looking at everything. They encourage the reader or listener to interact on different levels and to be in touch with our human nature in response to personal, familial, interpersonal, and environmental matters. Greg Delanti is a creator of this type of poetry. Through both his writing and his dedication to environmental activism, he sheds light on our multi-dimensional, round, not flat, earth, showing us up close the issues we must make time to pay attention to. From the nature around us, to the climate crisis we are within, to the climate within each and every one of us, to the full range of our human emotions. Please welcome multi-dimensional, forward-thinking and far-reaching poet Greg Delanti. The lawn of a fawn here to watch the town. As it happens, I'm going to start with sort of a religious poem. I'm an unbeliever myself, though I remain kind of open, but not calibrized. As I said at a job, it is the first time I have been in a church on a Sunday for a very long time. When I'm glad to be here, thank you for inviting me. When I was quite up in Ireland, it was at Martin Singh to enter a Protestant church. That could mean we didn't enter, and it's no gain as little boys, you know what I mean?  Do you understand me? But if I was back, no, when I was growing up I became really a Martin Singh. It's stupid, very, very extraordinary, and we would be scared inside and sneaking and we'd be scared. The first story, the second story, it's from a book called The Greek Intelligent Book 17. It's supposed to be translations, but it's not, they're all my own poems, and it's pretending. It's book 17, there's 16 books in the original, and they're all made of characters. It's supposed to pertain for the moment, so they're going to be explained too much, but they're all, well, they are all made, and they're not going to name the names. And the first story, short, only. The email telling a friend, we're not too bad considering the state of the world crosses the Atlantic with the touch of a key. The leaves of an evergreen blow, like a shoal of emerald fish, return into the same place. A caramel in his styled robe peaks, pecks the fever. The bells of the Angelus ring from St. Joseph's. The Angel of the Lord declares unto Mary, the infant god of my childhood is back on earth again. The one I'd cease to believe in. The lifeboat that keeps believers afloat. In the storm of being here, issue tickets to the Hereafter. Ever since that garden episode, the tall tale of our banishment, concocted by some storyteller who'd be so close, we've taken it for gospel, would say, Look around you now, the hold, the garden. And I'm kind of going to go back to the early poems now, and then come back full, certainly. And to a poem I wrote after my father died, and very in my early 20s. And I'm going to go through the book as chronologically, you know, so I just read bits and pieces from us. They're all short poems. In Toronto, again, very six or eight like one. Even the friendiest, most vulnerable creatures are equipped with devices to outwit death. The night moth blends into its surroundings. Light and colored, it conceals itself on back. Other pictures down the colors of a wasp. Food and predators into believing they can sting. But how could your father, out with death's grasp, snatched forever and too soon, under a stacked wing, always out when they open, without sting, are cunning. I was only in my 20s when I wrote that. I'm nearing my father's age, now he died. And, strange. I went to work with my mother now. It was an outside deal in case a bolt of lightning hits me from hand in. My mother, I had jobs, you know, the way one has all his jobs as a child in the house.  Because they were all a bit blind. You know, my father and my brother, they were getting red eyes. So that was my, and there's a poem in this. There's a term on the dawn. On the dawn means don't serve, not good at school. And I wasn't good at school. I mean, I don't mean good in the modern sense.  They taught him, so I couldn't spell.  And that time, I had dyslexia, but that time we were just lazy. Anyway, I don't need to go into this. Can you hear me okay? Is that okay? Can you hear me? A little louder. A little louder. Maybe I should. Pat, that's just for recording. All right, all right. Oh, I thought this was a loudspeaker. Excuse me. Okay. I thought I'd always use my stage voice. To my mother Eileen. I'm threading the eye of the needle for you again. That is my specially appointed task. My gift that you gave me. Ma, watch me slip this camel of wards through. Yes, rich we are still. Even if your needlework has long since gone with the rag and ball man. And Dan never came home one day, or Dan. Walk, walk, walk. Lose yourself and walk. That's what he'd say. Okay, okay. Ma, listen. I can hear the sticks of our fire spit like corn turning into popcorn with the brown insides of rotten teeth. We sit in our old sleeve niche house. Norman is just born. He's in the pen. I raise the needle to the light and lift the thread to stiffen the limp wards. I pair through the eye, focus, put everything out of my head.  I'm imparted now. A lightly lad instead of the Omadon at Dread School. I have the eye. Haven't I? The knack on Prince Trevor. I missed it. That's right. Concentrate, concentrate. And off yack-a-dee-yack. There, there, ma. Look, here's the threaded needle back. Can you hear me now? I'm exhausted out there. I feel like Arson Wends and Starter Moby Dick, which was actually done in Cork, by the way. There was that speech, that marvellous speech that was actually set in Yol, which is spelled Y-O-U-G-H-A-L, just in case. They were trying to go there. A political poem, an overtly political poem. This was a description originally I got. It turned out that actually, to his description was, I didn't know this, but by Charles Sinek, I overheard, I came into a conversation on the public radio, and I heard him describing, it was during the bombing of Belgrade many years ago now. Seems like many years ago anyway. And he was describing how he was talking to his family. He was from, Charles Sinek deported from Belgrade, and he was describing how they were describing what was happening on the phone.  And then I got a poem out of it. As it happened, I found out later, and he saw it, he got a kick out of it. Yeah, that's a good poem, he says. And I said, sure, it's a good poem. International call. A hand holds a receiver holds a top story window in a darkening city. The phone is the black, old heavy type. From outside, what can we make of such an event? The hand, which seems to be a woman's, holds the phone away from her lover, refusing to let him answer his high-powered business call. More likely, a mother has got one more sky-high phone bill, and in a tantrum warns her phone-happy son she'll toss the contraction. A denigrated widow, having cracked a number to the afterlife, holds the receiver out for the ghost of her lately deceased husband. He's wary of heaven and wants to hear dusk boards, particularly the excited choir of city stylings. It's always dusk now, but the receiver isn't held out to listen to the boards of the earth from heaven. It's the black ear and mouth in the hand of a woman as she asks her emigrated sisters and brothers in a distant country if they can hear the straffing and those muffled thuds, how the last thud made nothing of the hospital where they were slapped into life. The hand withdraws, the window bands closed, the city is shut out. Inside now, the replaced phone represses a moan. Its air to the cradle listens for something approaching from far off, 93. This is kind of a popular poem in the sense that it gets anthologised a lot. What's it named? Garrison Keeler and none of those programmes and so forth. Billy. But it's from the first poem from a book that I wrote, poems to a child before and after and his mother, of course.  And so this is an early one, The Alien. All the terms are correct and so forth. I just want to be conscious of the time. 15 more minutes. I try and go under so that I feel virtuous. I never feel virtuous. I'm back again. Sorry, The Alien. I'm looking at the ultrasound. Well, I was reading the last poem with the phone. Of course, they were in the days when nobody had mobile phones. Not so long ago, really. It's extraordinary. But anyway, The Alien looking at the ultrasound. I'm back again, scrutinising the milky way of your ultrasound. I'm scanning the dark matter. There's nothingness. Back now the head say is chock-a-block with squawks and quarks, gravitons and gravitini, photons and 14-ohs. Or sprout who are there inside the spacecraft of your matter. The time capsule of this print-out. Horralling and whirling towards us. It's all daft on this earth. Or alien who act in the heavens. Or Martian or little green man who are anxious to make contact. To ask diverse questions about the heaven you hail from. To discuss the whole shebang of the beginning and end. The pre-big bang on time before you forget the why and lie of thy first place. And our friend to say welcome. That we mean no harm.  That we pray you're not here to subdue us. That we put away our ray guns, missiles, attitude and share our world with you.  If only you stay. Short energy to his mother. Makes life. The present. It's eight lines. Seven lines. I won't lie in the church. Sparrows mostly. But chickadees. Cardinals. Blue jays. Wild canaries. Feed our day on our board house stairs. Sunflower seeds. Beautiful black tears. Your father gave us only a year ago. He is dead now. How are we to know? Snow is a white sheet laid silently upon the body of the earth.  I was dreading this was going to happen actually. I haven't read from this book before. I just got it myself. But I just noticed a typo in the middle of that poem. It says beautiful back tears. Beautiful black tears. There's a, I'm just trying to put, about proofing. There's a proofing demon that turns up in the middle of the night after you do the proofs again and again and again.  Loose strife. Another political poem. You know what loose strife is, don't you? This was called, this was in the Atlantic and it was called an American sonnet. And I can never understand why it was an American sonnet. Except that perhaps the only thing that makes it a sonnet as an American sonnet was that it is 14 lines. But there's nothing else. There's no lying, no nothing. Do you know what I mean? You have become your name. Loose strife. Carried on sheep. Spurting up over ballast. A cure brought across the deep to treat wounds. Soothe trouble.  The rhododendron. The cat tails that you in your turn overrun. Voices praise your magenta spread. Your ability to propagate by seed, by skin, by root. And how you adjust to life. To soil. Spreading your glory across the earth.  The hardy iris. The rare orchids. The spawning ground of fish.  Or loose strife. Purple plague. Beautiful us. I was also kind of putting on the US there as well. I shouldn't say those things, should I? You knew that already. And this is a poem from Mark. There are translations in this book as well. And I am an activist and I actually, in my life, I... I don't have a car. I give up the car. So we had to get a loan of a car to get here today. Big treat to go driving in the countryside. Except we got last. Another story. And I cycle everywhere during the winter to say my school and stuff. And the house is fossil fuel. There's no fossil fuels. I'm off oil and gas. So you can do it. If I can do it, you can do it. Well, you probably have doing it. But it's important to me. And I've started... I keep doing activist things and so forth. I would build a cabin outside the White House. Those years ago, it gives the tar in those almost healthy in this. This is written by Sean O'Rear Dawn, but it's in Gaelic. So I'll just read the translation. And there's a name mentioned here. He was from Carpegan, fabulous poet. He was the first poet really who brought modernism into the Irish language. And there's a term here. And on the guide is just the valley of the mad, which is an actual valley in Kerry. I have a host now in Kerry too. But this is where they sent mad people. Mad people. You know what I mean? People who they said were mad. Which is going to be different. Apathy is out. There's not a fly, moth, bee. Man or woman created by God whose welfare is not our responsibility. To ignore their predicament isn't all. There's not a mad man in Glow-Nagalt.  There's not a place, stream or bush. However remote or a flight stone, far south, east or west, that we shouldn't consider with affection and empathy. No matter how far South Africa, no matter how distant the moon, they're part of us by right. There's not a single spot anywhere we're not a part of. We issue from everywhere. We're going to go into more recent poems and then leave you. Five moments. We're just trying to judge it. There might be only ten seconds under. 215. The Traveller's Grace. This is by Greg Orris. I won't go into it but there are points of my own name or other friends or people I like. Like there's one to Galway here. Madeline was very friendly with Galway. And there's one for David. David Budwell also. Lois is there. Anyway, I don't know. I get a chance to read him. Nothing like landing in a foreign city early in the morning. Preferably a weekday hobbub. Everyone going about their business lost in themselves. Not a thought of how strange, farmed, alien their lives are. How abnormal to think it normal to find ourselves on a spinning ball reeling around a star a thousands of miles per hour from who knows where to who knows where. How outlandish. I am one of the sacred dead released from the underworld of the mundane. The banal. Behold the normal. I read the winner. We have Greek anthology names. Panos, Canelius. It was just a way of acknowledging Galway and David. The winners. 6 line poem. 5 lines. The blue bottle reigns supreme now over the kingdom of a cactus.  The blue bottle is a glimmering gem not on deaths, but on lives dying. I had a great friend. Somebody might have known him. Ed Epstein. Who died of lancimus. So this is a short poem on that. Towards the end. I'm not used to this book yet. The great thing is that I don't have to rifle through different books. I'm just a little bit of an allergy to a friend without Simon's. Your memory was dispatched ahead of you to the land of Arcus. The spool of all you are to yourself, a rest, though not to us. This is as good as addressing the dead. Your body's a blood home being the saint lost at that last river. dumb but tell menesmini are the boss of leafy or whatever god your final host that my heart's a clenched fist you are a man alive, dearly missed and then I'm just going to finish up with two short poems um umbilical it makes a reference to the um the arenas or the the the furies at the end which are also called you ever so kind sarcastically um here we go umbilical it's a sonnet a natural son you bike most everywhere this is myself of course um umbilical you bike most everywhere these days wary of your part in the latest war the slaughter of innocence the various wily ways you've grown used to complicity's feather the gas pump is an umbilical cord sucking the life out of exhausted terra mater you read about leaders ready to award the future the future and mammon her body smother her in her own fumes you know the reward the faith of those who kill their mothers remember ristis you translated to humankind down through the arenas the avenging daughters driving tormenting ristis I'll have his mind no escaping the furies now the ever so kind um and I'm going to finish up with a kind of a hope for a poem and of course the leaders there are the politicians and I'm very glad to be reading with Madeline who I've always admired and um I even ran in one of the elections one time when you were um canvassing with uh Peter Clavel and we walked into a dime I ran anyway I won't go into it no but it was very nice no I won't go into me running you know what I mean it's kind of funny but um it's a short poem and thank you for listening I never thought I'd be on a pulpit on a sunday I certainly my modern father and all the teachers wouldn't have thought of it patient the snow has melted clean off the mountain it's winter still yet another indication that Gaia is in trouble that things aren't sound the rocky mountaintop shines like the broad head of a woman after chemo who wills herself out of her hospital bed to take in the trees the squares the commotion around town sip beer in a dive smile at the child ogling her shiny head wishing it didn't take all this dying to love life thank you very much I was there I guess they're arguing about not the thousands there were but I was there and um I was staying with my homemade sign that I made which I had thought long and hard about what Fraser image might speak to the many different issues for many different women uh and in the end my sign said Vermont let's lift all women up and the word painted on a cardboard golden dome with series because aren't we lucky to have our symbol in Vermont be a female in the highest place at the state house the crowd was very thick I couldn't move an inch it was shoulder to shoulder sign to sign but when Madeline came up to speak I found I was actually able to move forward and then when she quoted a poem by Emily Dickinson I was able to move forward a little more and then months later she read in Randolph her hometown Randolph and I sat at the edge of my queue happy to hear more or transfix and listening to her share her work in a medium that I had not known was hers but it is please welcome a Vermont woman who lifts us all up hope it's mad to make you thank you thank you so much first I have to express my admiration for this beautiful church and our gratitude for the people who worked hard to keep it this way it's just an amazing legacy I wonder if they had pillows then but fortunately they give them out today you have to pay attention you really can't fall asleep during the sermon because your backside will prompt you to stay awake but you know when you introduced me as a poet that's still new to me and I'm delighted to be in the company of Greg Delanti who has a whole book of poems and has earned that title over the years and I'm happy to be included in this series you might be surprised that a politician can become a poet I still am and I've written poems often on sporadically various sporadically but in the last two years I would say I've focused more on my inner life than my outward life and you sort of need time and reflection to make that transformation and so these are some of the results of thinking about how my life has changed not only that I don't shake every hand in this church campaigning but that aging is a new phase of life and so most of these poems are reflections on how I mute that process so the first poem is called no longer no longer will we make love before breakfast no longer will I dream of seeing new zealand or the cape of good hope or bears in the world no longer will I say yes more than no no longer will danger sparkle and safety book dull no longer will I look at my body without comparison between who I was and who I have become blaming the light for the difference no longer can I toss my hair over my face and count 100 strokes no longer can I do without night cream and day cream slathering on ounce after ounce no longer can I be comfortable sitting in my chair waiting for hours without getting up to stretch my arms and legs no longer can I walk without looking down at my feet to avoid mean cracks and malicious bumps no longer can I skip down stairs like a girl flying without feeling a thing no longer can I approach the precipice without swaying against my will no longer do I think ahead of where I will be in ten years or 20 or more now I think in ones or twos or threes long enough to still hunger for the food of life no longer do I wish for the next day or the next year to come quickly like I did the year I turned 10 I want the days to saunter like the leisurely museum stroller who stops now and then to gaze and get closer to the canvas to see the burst strokes and then steps back for the long view before moving on this is the result of a magnet called teeth I spit them out like out of pits tainted yellow and hard I've rooted from the cave of my cheek where my tongue figures empty rooms leaving black squares where none should be I contort my smile to hide to hide the hag I have become my tongue takes measurements in and out back and forth asleep dread sigh my lids seek like oh I am saved from death by ivory I open wide one tooth hangs on the edge of a cliff and others set in the top of space where it may wobble and lose balance I panic at the thought I must spare my teeth in self-defense I must chop my way into old age I must open wide and smile I must grit I lift my electric toothbrush off its solid base and brush and brush and brush this is called words words my darlings don't leave me I reach for you in the void white with emptiness fingers bent I clutch a vapor and feel nothing I turn to the alphabet A B C D E F G like the child I was playing hide and seek Boston the labyrinth of sense and sound come out come out wherever you are ring around the rosy we all fall down stop the bell rings time to go home the game is up wait my ghost word jumps out from behind the tree incised in the black trunk raw to the vain touch of my trembling hand this is called I am multiples it's uh come on you shouldn't say anything just let it go I am multiples the dancers electric I am multiples the dancers elastic poses stretch my legs high and wide error I fall on his hand as if nothing had happened the opera singer sways by my sucking ribs her high octaves tremble my bones and wrinkle my throat as I spill gallons of sand all over myself I'm on the tennis court with someone else's arm Venus or Serena my body obeys every quick command from head to foot look just inside the line by half an inch the camera ascents my sizzling serve that knows no return the cello is seven between bent legs and curved arms leaving fingers free to run up and down in pursuit of flea notes that I gulp down into a thick low sound that feels good inside I've scorned with the poet's words and claimed them for my own or were they mine in the beginning I'm out of them with tongue and teeth and spit them in your face the writer says what I wish to say leading me from room to room in her house which seems eerily familiar she lived there once can I call the moving van and place my bed here in the chairs over there canvas stone wood chisel brush paint barefaced fully awake ready for action move they say like we did and make a mark I do asking money money and 90 euro Picasso to leave me a space I am multiples I am none it is late it is done my husband just sneezed I'd like to thank him for encouraging me to write and some of these poems are quite personal you did the dishes I cooked you did the dishes did I love you for that as I listen to high note clattering in the kitchen while I sat in my chair reading the newspaper we shared most tasks then but you did the driving and I could sit quietly by your side with only a rare glance in the rear view mirror to check if it was safe to pass now I do everything cook and wash the pots and fill and empty the dishwasher which always is hungry I make the bed which you made when we slept together now I straighten my back to keep my posture not letting it sink into the stoop as I push your wheelchair up the incline only I can get you there and bring you back pushing from the back I am in the lead aiming to pull you out of yourself and into the world I inhabit you visit me from time to time and we talk about the New York Times and the evening news hour hour and we agree the world is spinning crazily out its orbit we attach ourselves again into the morning did I love you because you did the dishes or because I love you there are a few more lines when I cook and clad I love you when I cook and clad in our kitchen with white counters that always mean wiping again and again this is called when I was sick when I was sick with stinging cramps I could not carry my eyelids open I more so felt sticky in my mouth my intestines went round and round churning and speaking their agitated language push and pull back and forth telling me how hard they had to work so that I could exist I promise myself then that when I return to the land of the well I would secrete gratitude from every pore to God she whoever whatever I would take a deep breath deeper than everyday breath and exhale the bellows of air that could blow your house down I would thank God or someone very much like her to being alive today this is caregiver moves it's more rude than muscle that is hard to lift from walker to wheelchair a chasm he must reach he cannot fall not now not again then we fell side by side he backward landed on his rear eye forward just missed the wheels and arms of the deadly walker my neck hurt my shoulder bruised angry with him for standing up without holding on this time I could not reach across to grab his hand this time I could not reach across to grab his hands stricken by wicked gravity falling out of control and helpless air pushing him down into folded collapse I am more upset than he is or so it seems speechless I want to cry out of frustration out of pity for him pity for me this was written in June of this year the lyox were patient or here packaged into themselves in small ziploc bags and allowed them privacy in preparation for spring they waited until right wrist attacked and felt them open releasing their lungs and dangling their colors and intoxicated air how did they know when it was time to spill the scent and make me breathe deeply into my chest and let it linger there how did they know when to shrivel dry into brown kernels that keep their secrets enshrouded emitting nothing this is an earlier poem it's called ants I spared the spider her death in the bath tub this morning she was doing no mom let her live I get kinder as I get older more forgetting I step into the kitchen black ants crawling on the counter ants upside down on the wall my hand sweeps them to the floor quickly not thinking I stomp on them one by one by one the woman sitting next to me has purple vain hands thick as ropes I look at my hands only a shade lighter inky veins bulging out of my paper skin how could I be almost like her these are a couple of poems when I went canvassing for illy in youngstown aloha in a very poor section canvassing youngstown before the election I can't vote I'm wearing a bracelet I had to think a moment before I got it the young black man with spiky joe there was polite he explained I got up there yesterday and could only walk from here to the store he went further I was in for assaulting a cop but he assaulted me but they don't believe me argued in school I graduated from high school last June what what what came over me I wanted to save him here on his street standing in his driveway stay clean and go to college I told him carried away by my sudden urge to set him free and become his savior this is the same young man called diapers I ignored his missing upper teeth when I first spoke to him he wanted to talk I wanted him to vote and he assured me that he was registered in wood we walked across the street and knocked on the door of another house on our list he appeared again that's my house oh you live here yes I'm checking on my little girl it's not easy to be a single father we nodded and then he asked do you know anywhere where I could get free diapers have you tried welfare they don't give them out I thought of a sleeping baby did he say she was three I ignored that she may have been too old for diapers I saw a baby alone in her crib in dirty diapers wait a minute I said I went to our waiting car opened my wallet and took out two fives and a 10 I went back and gave him the money he's probably going to use it to buy drugs my friend said I don't care I said I believe him words I read that are you old are you old am I young no really no I don't want to slide into that other space for the slit down the middle that leaves me alone in my superiority getting out of bed it's hard to pull myself out of my bed by eight like I used to do or even seven seven sometimes six fatigue is the weight that presses my body down with a boulder fist I weigh 300 pounds or more my head turns but does not lift from its pillow on this from its hollow on the squish pillow only five minutes more I flee to the school and she succumbs nine o'clock my god how could that be I'm sleeping my wife my life away an hour lost forever to the pool of death actually some of these will be in about next September or I have more to begin to search for some homes summer summer is so short winter is so long I don't want to stop swimming the lake pulls me with its lake smell I see no boundaries unlike the pool where I count laps and the birds satisfy here I swim in large water and feel small I see the lake in winter it's dull hard surface hard enough to drive a truck across and freeze the fish in place cold waves bidding on rocks turning into long toothed icicles can this be each sun's last day a miracle unlike the biting mouth of winter I'll make the effort I'll swim a little longer for my short breath and cold skin tell me it is time this is about fall a certain about two years ago the earth is a burial ground but brown paper leaves carelessly left to themselves not a sound underfoot no sign that I was here I see a black footprint scooped of leaves a deer who knows something I don't know like where it's going brooding oaks and storm scarred maples asked for my sympathy they have lost so many I dare not stop I must move on traveling on their death this is a poem a few years ago they were my sheets and his bed these are not the right sheets he said that in the corner went down over the edge just tucked them in I said with the hint of annoyance that he didn't know better they always fit on my bed I said exactly what I thought knowing that I might not be understood a worse offend there was a slight grating echo to our words which we heard in different ways in other times with other people it would have shredded the tide that bound us but in this time with the two of us the tear was so quickly rewoven that we looked at each other and laughed why marry the decision was was not made as one would make a box fitting the edges carefully together getting the side straight we came upon it separately and together or perhaps I should say it appeared or better yet evolved like a growing thing that had its own destiny no bend in the no declarations or promises I can't even remember if there was a kiss there must have been but there have been so many sins that they hard to assign to a time and place the decision was too easy some might say too hasty for an old couple like us but then we didn't have the time to weigh what we would do or the inclination we felt we felt light feathered translucent ready to soar into our own unknown this is a love poem each night I wheel you to your door with a kiss on your lips I smile I love you generously I think you don't know how much I love you you say yes I do I do I do we formed a ritual of waiting to buy as I retreat down the hall slowly at first I wave with one hand in the air and then my arms go wild before I turn the corner as they're struck by a storm or signaling for help we wave at tandem you are there and I am here the nurses now know we wave not for them but for one another to have and to hold the love we swore to just two more can't this was written in 2014 can they be more to say after we have said everything there is to say about oatmeal warm toast and sliced bananas the weather has words I find in the report that I wear gloves but no boots not yet he is inside and I am out where the air is colder than it was before chances of snow mixed with rain one never knows which way it will come down we have no plans that have to be changed we talk about dinner what time what place dining room or cafe small morsels of words fill that up until we pause take a breath and devour another sentence this is we live at lake robin and shelter and this was new year's eve at lake robin the wheelchair danced in circles to the rapid beat of the onion river jazz band she was young again unbound with joy free no longer pushing him but flying with him on the dance floor he weighed aside his ribbon oxygen to streaming behind him I grasped John with both hands and brought him to his feet placing the walker within reach he moved his head and then his arms and then his feet to the music we danced we sang with the walker between us and love in silence quite a distance actually um and that was really wonderful and I hope that anyone who can can come back to the Kent who are um an opportunity to meet them and to talk about their work um there are books there for sale or signing and there's beverages and snacks um thank you


Good evening and welcome to episode 397 of the private property podcast on the host it's a Friday edition of the private property podcast and join us for the first time. Welcome to the family you tune into the only daily public show in the country catering to your property needs. And all our regular viewers from Facebook, Instagram and on YouTube are welcome to us. You know how we do. You and I have an appointment at 7pm, when we're always in conversation with a property expert who helps us make better property decisions and talking about making better property decisions. You know, you can tune into a whole host of other great shows that we have across private property social media pages as it is a Friday. You can catch Chad on the home shopper's show where he takes you through incredible properties that you can find on www.privateproperty.co.za And you can catch him on the same show every Monday at the same time. 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More people sometimes have thought of at the very least having access to a holiday home, looking at whether some of the key features that people look out for in a holiday home, some of the Jews and Derns, when you want to go into that kind of asset class. I was actually saying to my guest that this is one of those few asset types in property that I'm not too familiar with. I don't have a holiday home in my own portfolio and in the businesses portfolio as well. And talk us get a good sense of what to look out for some of the Jews and Derns and Derns. Evening by Andrea Tagos, a director at Mortgage Me. Andrea, good evening and thank you so much for joining us on the show. Good evening. It's lovely to be here this evening. I think, Andrea, before we even look at what to consider some of the Jews and Derns, let's have a look at if you could take us through what the what the state of holiday home purchasing or even selling has been in the past year. Let's even make it 18 months. So since COVID, since the COVID period has effectively started relative to the pre-COVID era. So what we've experienced in South Africa over the last 18 to 20 to 24 months is an overwhelming push for a lot of South Africans to move to coastal towns. So historically, they've gone down during two or three holidays during the year. They've enjoyed a wonderful holiday anywhere near the coast, which is which is where a lot of South Africans gravitate towards probably as early as next week. And when the world changed, like we had never anticipated of going to in March last year, people weren't going to the office anymore. And what we saw, sorry, what we've seen in the last 18 months is a lot of people have instead of looking at buying a holiday house property somewhere at the coast, for example, they've in fact just moved their entire lives down to coastal towns. So the terms of immigration we've all heard, people have moved down to zoom towns. And I think there's certainly been a shortage of properties to rent in those coastal towns because you now find a whole lot more people living there permanently as opposed to looking as opposed to going down for short term holidays. And I think that's an important thing to take note of that for many people. You know, the zoom the rise of the zoom towns was certainly a thing. And I've had a number of other guests who have commented about how different people are moving to coastal towns and setting up routes because of the remote working opportunities that they effectively had. Some of them even sold the properties that we're living in. Some decided to keep their properties and rent them out while they, of course, they move to the coast. And I think when we then look at some of the things that we need to be looking out for, you know, Andrea, I think first just take us through some of the key things that we need to bear in mind in the event where you want to purchase a holiday home. And this is, of course, what people are looking to purchase it for purposes of it being an investment property, as opposed to it being a property that they as a family are going to be using during the holiday period. It's always such a fun exercise to stop doing. And this is the time of year. Well, I suppose the time of year was probably three months ago for you to decide where you want to go on holiday. And a lot of people either decide to go and enjoy the beach if they don't live anywhere near the coast, like us in Joberg, or they decide maybe a holiday somewhere north of Joberg towards the bush is a good idea.  In it's just assume someone's going to look at a holiday home at the coast. Find yourself a decently passed holiday home. That has got all of the features that you'd like in an area that you'd like to discover more about and go on holiday. And the process of looking for holiday destination accommodation is so much easier now than it was 10 or 15 years ago. There are state agents that can help you find a holiday home to rent out for three or four weeks during the holidays. Or you can look at Airbnb or any other similar kind of website, which is an effective portal for any available accommodation anywhere in the world. So decide as a family unit or as an individual where you'd like to go on holiday and the whole premise behind a holiday home that you're looking to to buy for investment purposes is that it would be great if you could use it every now and then. So finding a holiday destination and a decent holiday home in there is only going to be possible if you can go and experience what a holiday is like in that in that town. How easy is it to get there from where you are? How easy is it to get there for everyone else in the country? If the holiday destination is in far more than Mozambique and it's really only possible to get there by a flight, then you need to factor that in. But if it's anywhere on the north, the south coast of Natal, anyone in Drobur can basically get there within five to seven hours. And it is very, very accessible for people who live in Natal as well. So you're looking at having a bigger market because if your plan purpose for this is to invest it, you need to make sure that there is always going to be a market for this property. So things first spend a week on the Internet. Once you've decided what you are looking for in a holiday in a holiday home and a holiday destination, spend some time looking at what the options are in that particular area and always search within a specific zone, look in a specific town, as well as looking just outside there because you might find that holiday homes in a town like Flittenburg Bay are very expensive. But if you drive 10 kilometers in either direction, you might find something a little bit more remote, but it might well be half the price because it's not in that specific town zone. So always look just outside of the area that you identify you want to go in because you might find some interesting opportunities or some interesting homes that you wouldn't have thought of looking for within that specific zone. And the next step once you book your holiday home is obviously to go down on holiday. And that is always going to be a good opportunity for you to look around. You need to understand what traffic is like in this town. Does it take you an hour and a half to get from one side of town to the other during the busy December periods? Are there decent shops available that sell fresh produce? Where is the fresh produce coming from? Are you going to battle to stock up your fridge halfway through your holiday if there isn't a decent shopping network available there? What kind of people go on holiday in that holiday town? Are they the kind of people that you see in your hometown or that kids go to school with? Or is it a very different kind of person? Because you obviously want to have some commonalities with the people that you're going to see in and around on your holiday. And also then speak to people, speak to shopkeepers, found out if this is their busy period and how quiet things are out of season. Always get a sense when you're going to a holiday town, what it's like in season and what it's like out of season. And it's always a very good idea before you make any big investment into a holiday home is to always, always go and visit that village or that town and that specific home during the off season. You want to understand what the weather is like during season and when a lot of people aren't there on holiday. You want to understand how busy and how quiet the town is at all times of the year because you need to get a sense of whether this is a complete ghost town for 10 months of the year and only comes to life for the other for the other two months of the year. So just going down to an area and experiencing the specific area that you want to look in, as well as in either direction or in every direction that you can go to in order to understand what else captivates people in that area and what gets people to go to that holiday town. And I think those are such key things. I know I once had an interest in a particular coastal town. I wasn't particularly familiar with it. And I just couldn't find time to go down. The property prices seemed very reasonable. You would have been buying land and effectively building from the different pictures that you're seeing, you know, looking at different options and they seem reasonable. But I'm very big. I'm never buying a property just based on pictures alone. You always have to go. They have a sense, you know, because as much as they as much as you can get a lot from pictures, there's also quite a lot that you do not get from pictures. So it really is important to get a sense of that. Anything that was in a recent trip down the coast where I saw I lived in an area, absolutely loved it. So the opportunity then really started tracking different properties in that area because I thought this would actually be a great place to buy into. So I like that type of book and holiday in that space, drive around, get a sense of it for me in that particular property. I stayed there for there was probably the third or fourth time that I was not staying there. So I knew what it had to offer. And every time I always just want to make an offer. But the owner is still very invested a little bit into that particular one. But it's a really, really good find. Well, of course, there's something we've been looking at. Apologies to Andrew, I'm going to bring it back just then. Just now we're looking at things to consider when purchasing a property. And I can see some of our viewers are watching at home, sending through some of those patients and comments. What I found out from the viewers at home or if whether or not you have a holiday home, you know, what were some of the things that you looked out for in purchasing that holiday home and in the event where you do want a holiday home, what are some of the key features that you're looking for in the addition of that particular holiday home? Andrew, you wanted to come in. It was definitely worth a whole separate discussion because we live in South Africa and it's also so important to get a sense of when you're down there on holiday is what what are if there are any issues in that specific town and in the specific property that you're staying in around safety and security. It's certainly not a uniquely South African problem, but something that you do need to be constantly aware of. And it reminds me of of a holiday that I took on the on the south coast of Newtel a couple of years ago and I think I think it was an Airbnb booking that we made that mentioned a security alarm. And when we checked in, met the owner who were given an alarm remote and told to make sure that whenever you are in and around the property, you must make sure that the alarm is always set and gave me a bit of a nervous feeling. And of course, kids run around for being and we actually spoke to the security company that came very, very quickly, which was a certain comfort to have them come quickly once the alarm went off. And we said, oh, how often does this happen? And do we really need to be concerned? And I said, there is a lot of petty crime in the area, not something that's going to be advertised on the property on on on Airbnb. But looking and understanding those subtle signs of a specific property or a specific area is just so important to do. And it's something I always do whenever I go to a holiday destination. It's either go for a walk or for a run around the neighborhood. Understand what the properties look like. You have a look and see how tall the walls are. Are they Joburg Scarha walls or are they small fences? Do they look like they have got a lot more security than you're anticipating? But you get a lot from just a general wonder around the neighborhood. Just keeping your eye out for things that that you should be aware of.  And it's always a very big tip that I even give people who want to buy their own property to live in that you want to set up the area as much as possible. I think one of the great treasures that we now have, especially with Airbnb, is that you could even book a place in that same complex and live there for a couple of nights to just get a sense of how it's like before you effectively buy into it. Some of the love that we're getting on our social media pages, getting lots of compliments. Thank you very much to the home and all the evidence. Say good evening. God is our love. You're here. Colleen and Kosi watching. Sarah, my parents are watching. Happiness. I'm a little like the things I'm a first. We are your food looking good. Thank you very much. They're happiness. A question coming from on how to end another property related one. They're saying very well. I just wanted to know where we get as I'm as lipstick. So the lipstick is really rude and it's a Mac lipstick. So that's the name of the lipstick. I think it's one of those lipstick. It's every woman needs to have as part of her makeup. But in the meantime, we're going to take a quick break in a sense of who the lucky winner of the 500 Giants that is up for grabs this evening is going to come back. We're going to explore mistakes that we need to avoid when buying holiday home. And we've already started touching on some of them, but we really want to get a good sense of what mistakes to avoid. And then also on the management side of things, because one of the things about holiday homes is they're most likely, of course, it looks coastal towns, you may be based in Joeberg. So how should we be thinking about the management of the holiday home and even the viewing process early on? You're saying that I was reluctant to make an offer on a property that was by the coast because hadn't viewed it. And I just didn't have time at the time to go down to the coast and view that party. But any time, let's have a look at who the lucky winner is and we'll be back in just a minute. And the lucky winner this evening is Vanessa. Now, Vanessa, now, congratulations. 500 Giants is up for grabs for you at home. That is Vanessa. Now, 500 Giants up for grabs as we continue our conversation this evening, taking things to consider when purchasing a holiday home and in conversation with Andrea Tucker, who's a director at mortgage.me and taking some of your questions and comments at home. We've got a comment coming through from several people saying it depends widely on the location as well. I wouldn't want to have a holiday home in a busy city life because during that time, you need that tranquility and anything close to nature, maybe even a Gulf state. And that's such an important one. Because I think when we think holiday times, we're probably not thinking Joburg, and for the most part, or certain parts of Joburg, they simply are in the greater to have these sort of areas. They may be instances where there might be properties that may lend themselves to giving you a sense of being on holiday, but not all the time. Now, Andrea, before the break, I did say I want us to then explore mistakes to avoid. You know, whatever is having mistakes that people sometimes make when they put some of their home that our views of home absolutely need to avoid. So you've already mentioned the first one, and it is so important to not buy property without seeing it in person. We've all used filters. We've all taken pictures of ourselves and filtered some of the wrinkles away and flatten the hair a little bit. And photographers who are taking photos either on behalf of an estate agent or on behalf of someone who's renting a property out on Airbnb is going to do the same. You can almost guarantee that cracks on the wall are going to be filtered out and angles are so important. It comes to photos of rooms and photos of the front of properties. So don't assume that any property is exactly as it looks on all of its photographs online. So make sure that if you are really serious about buying a property that you have to go and see it yourself. You need to go there with a very critical eye. Have a sense of what you saw on the photos on a posting, for example, on a property portal, but make sure that you can go there. And just with a critical look at the size of the rooms. Look at what direction the property is facing. Look at how close it is to the ocean if you're at the coast. Look at the size of the walls around the property. Look at where it is specifically on the Gulf estate. Look at the neighbouring properties. Go there with a critical eye and ask all the questions that you feel that can be to ask. There's no such thing as a city question when you're engaging with an estate agent and don't stick to one estate agent. You might well see a property avatar on the portal. Make contact with that estate agent, but always talk to two or three others. They're always going to give you their own personal sense of where a neighbourhood is going. They'll give you a sense of any issues that you might anticipate just through their normal business interactions, selling properties. Or you might even find that you're lucky enough and that you've got a state agent living in that specific town. And they'll be able to give you very, very personal insight around the kinds of questions you should be asking and those likely to be honest answers from there. And it's also important at the same time to get a property valuation, much like you would if you're buying property where you live at the coast or anywhere where you're looking at buying holiday home. Make sure that you get a sense of how much that property is valued so that you don't overcapitalize and end up with a very expensive asset that you're now paying off over an extended period of time. And you might not necessarily have the income coming in from rentals or short or long term rentals in order to cover that large expense. So make sure that you don't make an offer that is too much of an evaluation. But know that if it is a particularly attractive looking house, you might well need to make a competitive bid. But know what the property is valued at. Understand that in relation to your ceiling and make sure you don't go above that. And I think that's such an important point because so many people tend to overcapitalize, which is very unfortunate. And I mean, you can see this with general investment properties outside of even holiday homes. And you need to be careful of that because the moment you want to offload that particular property, you're going to have a lot of issues. You're going to be hard pressed to find it. You're going to be hard pressed finding bias for buying at your particular price point because you're always going to have to end just how much money you spent putting on all those pretty additions that when you look at some of the comparable properties unfortunately, your neighbors didn't put on. And then, you know, Andrea, when we look at what are some of the key things that people who book a lot of holiday homes effectively look for? And one of the things that we're realizing is when you even go to apps like whether it's a bookings.com or Airbnb, there's so much, you know, stock on the market even for trying to book accommodation for holidays. What are some of the things that tend to stand out that will make more property possible, especially in the sea of so many different offerings that we find out there? Yes. So I've already spoken about photos. Those are critically important. And the more honest the photo looks and the more realistic it is, the more repeat holiday bookings you're going to get from from the same people, all the more referrals you're going to get. You don't want any unpleasant surprises as someone who's now just driven or traveled all the way to holiday destination to find that the carpets are a bit dirty and the pool is green and no one's made the lawn for a little while for a little while. So make sure that those photos you take are attractive looking but also as realistic as possible. And when it comes to a holiday home that you purchase for investment purposes, you're obviously looking to rent it out. Spend some time in the property before you do any possible renovations on it.  Because this holiday home for anyone who's going to rent it from you is looking for comfort. They're looking for a home away from home. They're looking for all of those kind of homely features that they've come to expect. And if you can use your adverts and your photos to push those kind of homely features, they certainly do so. And if you can't take photos of them, list them all. People, if they're traveling, for example, with kids, are looking for a dishwasher and a washing machine.  So those are two very key features in a kitchen. Just as much as someone is looking for a decent frying pan, sharp knives and nice glassware. So you don't want to ruin the aesthetics of a holiday home by putting in cheap things. And it's all about comfort and it's all about making it feel, as I said, as homely as possible. So good quality linen that is easy to wash. And doesn't stain easily. You're looking for cotton linen in that case. You're looking for dark towels. People make up off with towels and the darker the towels, the more you can get away with when it comes to the age of those specific towels. You want a comfortable bed. And something that is always something I look for and ask before I make a booking, have you got blackout curtains? If you've ever gone on holiday on the north or the south coast in KZN, in summer, you realize that the sun rises at about three minutes past four in the morning. And if you've got pretty impractical gauze curtains, you're going to be waking up shortly after that. And your day begins very early. So blackout curtains, comfortable bed, lovely cotton linen, all of those bedroom comforts that extend into the bathroom. And I'll take it even a step further. If you don't have a comfy couch, people aren't going to want to sleep. People aren't going to want to sit in a lounge and enjoy themselves as a family unit. So it's all about the comforts and making sure that you've got good quality comforts that can outlast a number of guests over a good length of time. And that's such an important one to always bear in mind. We've got Unnaati Wendy Boy saying, yes, holiday home sounds like a good investment, but location and the state of the home comes as well. That's such an important one. And I think, you know, Andrew, as we begin to close off, how do people at home also then pick the right one? Suppose it is, you know, in the relatively same area, the price point is relatively the same. And this, of course, goes back to that sentiment around how do you make your property stand out in the sea of so many others that are available. So when faced with deciding which one to go for and you've got quite a few that you can, you know, kind of play around with in the same area and the price point, it's not really that far off. How do you work out making the decision? Are there any factors that you should probably just take an extra thought of when you decide to make that decision? So I'm presuming that everyone here who's looking for a holiday home is going to have done that all-important affordability check before they've even started to look at any holiday homes for investment purposes. So you want to make sure that you can afford this property if things go bad. So take the worst-case scenario. You cannot rent your property out for 12 months. Can you cover the bond, as well as rates in taxes and water and lots on that specific property for a 12-month period? You can always hope and assume that you're never going to get to the worst-case scenario. But make sure that you've done a thorough affordability check. You've understood what your current financial situation is. If you're buying with another family, if you're buying with your spouse, make sure that you've all had that open and honest conversation about what happens if we don't earn enough money to pay off the property expenses. And assuming you've had those conversations and the answer is a positive one, you would also then hopefully have a good sense of what you can afford. And stick to only looking at those properties that you can afford. Otherwise, you might be tempted to buy something that isn't a little bit out of your affordability range. But once you've picked that range, you've looked at 10 properties, how to decide on which one of those 10 is probably quite a personal decision. You might well find that two of those 10 are places that you would really like to go to yourself. And you're going to get a very good gut sense of those kinds of places that you'd like to go to. And if you can narrow down your 10 property search down to two, because you would like to go to both of those specific properties, then I suppose it's going back onto the internet to get a sense of how much similar kind of properties are rented out for. And then you can go back to that calculation, to say, we're going to make an offer of approximately this. If that offer gets accepted, this is what it's going to cost us on a monthly basis. Do we think that for at least half of the year, we can cover bond payments maybe in some of the months you can cover those with a little bit of extra to cover some of the more lean months. It's often going to be down to which one of those properties, if you can find a similar one, is looking to give you the best return in terms of the rate that you could rent it out on a monthly or on a weekly basis. And Andrea, as we begin to wrap up, any final subscribed years at home who are contemplating buying a holiday home in the new year. A little bit too late to look for those holiday homes now, if you haven't really booked your holiday. But for those that are looking at going down to a coastal destination or going somewhere on holiday, with the view to bar is talk to as many people as you can. Not just professionals in the industry, talk to the locals, talk to the people at the beach, talk to the security guard at the gate. Talk to people and get a sense of what this neighbourhood and what this property is all about. And a final comment there from women's today is seeing design hygiene at keep price and location. Those are my non-negotiables on property, especially a holiday property. And that's something that so many of us often look for when we're looking for a holiday property. Andrea, we're going to leave it there this evening. Thank you so much for joining us on the show. Just lovely to be here. And that's Andrea Takose, director at Morveg Me Wrapping Up, the Friday edition of the Primary Property Podcast with myself as I'm going to do more tomorrow. And our winner, Vanessa, now was indeed watching us live and she dropped us a text. So she walks away with that 500 rounds of cash. Congratulations to you at home, Vanessa. And if you want to be just like Vanessa, all you have to do is to drop us a comment on the pinpost of our Facebook page. And of course, the more times you comment on the great property advice and insight that you have learned while watching the show, the higher your chances of potentially being a winner. Well, for myself as I'm going to do more tomorrow, that's it from us this week. We're back with you screens tomorrow. I'm not tomorrow on Monday, rather, at 7 p.m. You can look forward to the Home Shopper Show with Chad at 8 p.m. Until then, hope you stay home and stay safe.


If you want to make improvements in your time management, and I think all of us can probably afford to make some improvements in that arena, one of the most helpful practices is what I call time logging. Some people call this time tracking or keeping a time journal. Now, this is something that I do for a couple of days every single year, and I'm about to start doing it. Today, when you see this post is when I'm going to start doing it for the next five days. And what time logging is, is basically keeping track of how you are spending your entire day in maybe one hour increments or even half hour or 15 minute increments if you can. It's kind of like when people are trying to be better about their eating, one of the best practices is keeping a food journal, right? Writing down everything that you're eating and even just the practice of becoming aware and writing down what you're eating will automatically make you more mindful about the choices that you're going to make for what to put in your body. The same thing when it comes to time logging, just the act of noting down what you're using your time on will automatically make you more efficient or more mindful at the least of how you're spending the rest of your day and the rest of your week. So I encourage you to just pick one day, maybe today, or ideally a couple of days in a row where you are literally just writing down, you're keeping some notebook, notepad on you, a posted pad on you, or using your phone. I'm going to, in the notes of the video, I'll put which apps you might want to consider using. I use a particular mobile app to track my time. So just do it for a couple of days if you can and watch how you just naturally become more mindful about using your time going forward. Now, what should you use your time for? In the notes of the video, I will put a link to one of my blog posts about true productivity and a list of what I believe, at least for those of you who are building your business, the most productive things to do and things that you might want to watch out for and not do in your business.  If you have enough clients right now, or almost have enough clients, then whatever additional free time you have to work on your business, I recommend to be spent in doing content like I do, because then that will build interest for future clients down the road. So if you want to join me in doing time logging, let me know in the comments below this video, I'd love to know. And if you have done time logging in the past, you can comment and share with us how it went for you or what benefit you got from it. But basically, I'm going to start doing it starting today and I hope you'll join me and watch how you become more mindful automatically with your time management and become a better time management in your work and in your life.