Please, brothers, in case you didn't know, sort of fitting, because everybody does need somebody. So I'd like to introduce you to one of my somebodies. I'd like to introduce you to my friend Bob. Bob's not his real name. I asked him if I could share his story. He agreed, but in order to help maintain his privacy, I changed his name. The rest of the story is very true, though. So Bob and I worked together a long time ago. We were both developers at a company. And I really, the three things that I really love about Bob is, first, that he's genuine and honest. Second is that he's enthusiastically curious. And the third is that he's an optimistically hard worker. So these are a great combination, because when Bob says to you, how's it going? It's not just another way for him to say hi. He actually does care about how you're doing. And he really actually wants to know what you're working on, because he's curious to learn about the technologies that you're using. And then being optimistically hardworking means that whenever there's a challenge and you're working with Bob, Bob's attitude is always just, we can work harder. Like, we're smart people. If we work together on this, we can solve anything, which is really great. So I worked with Bob for a long time. We ended up moving on as people do in tech, got new jobs, ended up moving to different cities, but we still kept in touch. And whenever Bob would talk about his current company, I would think of this meme. His current company, from my outside perspective, they were an out-of-touch tech company who really didn't understand their market, didn't understand their customers, so they were constantly pivoting what their product was, and it was hard to actually figure out what they actually did. From Bob's inside perspective, they were just an out-of-touch tech company that was chasing Bud's words, like microservices and containers and DevOps, and they didn't understand what any of those words actually meant. And so this meant that Bob spent a lot of late nights just building things, and once they'd get built, he would get told that they didn't actually matter because the company had pivoted again, so they'd throw it away and they'd tell him to build something else. And this led to other problems. Like, one month, Bob said that he worked on this project for two months, it was fantastic. He actually optimized the end-user experience, improved checkouts, and they actually saw a sales revenue increase of 2% across the company. I was like, this is amazing, Bob. He's like, yeah, nobody really liked it because apparently my new team KPI was web performance and driving traffic, and the website didn't load any faster, so no congratulations, just it was like, you did the wrong thing. Bob worked remotely, which is really, it's great when you can, but his manager and the leadership team decided one day that really, they wanted to have better communications with Bob. So they weren't gonna end remote work, but because of his position, they were ending his remote work. They forced him to move from where he was living to the Silicon Valley, which as you know, very expensive. So Bob moved across the country, left all his friends, spent a bunch of money to move to a city, and he ended up stopping doing the things that he really loved to do, because he was now in the office, so he was working overtime to build more things, didn't know anybody in town, so he just felt really alone and isolated. So during all of this, Bob and I had kept in contact, and one day I started to notice that his tweets were growing more cynical. That optimism that I really loved about him had really just started to die. He had this one tweet one day where he compared the cap theorem to life. The cap theorem, as many of you know, is consistency, availability, partition tolerance, and you can only pick two in a distributed system. And Bob tweeted out that, well, there's work success, family, or health, and you can only pick two. I was like, this is really, really bad, so that was a red flag for me. I immediately gave him a call and realized that he'd actually, he didn't even pick two, he'd picked one. Burnout had destroyed his relationship, his girlfriend had left him. His health had taken a dive, and I realized even more so, not just his health exercising and doing the sports that he loved, but when I called him, he was actually pretty high on some drugs. So he was self-medicating.  Someone that you care about is going through crisis. I had no idea, right? Do I put in my own hold and I call for help? And if I call for help, who would that help be, right? I mean, could call 911, but depending on where you're at in the country and who you are, cops are more likely to hurt you than to help you. And is it even safe to put an amount on hold? So I realized I was grossly unequipped for this. What am I equipped for? So take a step back, I'm Jason, I work at Datadog, I do docs and talks. So Docside, I talk to our engineers about what our product does, I read through our code, I help it make our product easier for engineers and developers to use. I'm a travel hacker, I like to travel a lot and fly on planes sometimes to know where in particular.  And then I'm a whiskey hunter, so I like to taste whiskey wherever I go. These are the ways that I help relieve the stress in my life. But let me be clear, especially about the whiskey, enjoy it for the flavor. I love the craft of it, but if you like whiskey, don't self-medicate with it. If you find yourself enjoying it for other reasons than the flavor, ask for help, talk to someone. A little bit about Datadog since they did cover my trip here and pay me very well for what I do, which I appreciate. Datadog is a SaaS-based monitoring platform. We have thousands of customers, we handle trillions of points of data every day, and we are hiring. So if you are in a work environment that you're not happy with, that you may be facing some burnout, Datadog is hiring. I like the company, I think we have a great culture and we do not burn people out, or at least we try very, very hard not to. But so back to the topic. I've called this talk, burnout, community problem, community solution, because it's an issue that affects all of us. And it's an issue that's gonna require all of us if we want to actually solve this. And in particular, I wrote this talk because of that situation. I realized that most of us aren't equipped to help others. So when I say it's a community problem, what do I mean? Well, first we have to ask, is this really a community problem? And I think it's fair to say that we are a community. We've all come here around shared beliefs, shared ideas, and we're sharing that information. So we are a community, but is burnout really a problem? So GFI is a company, they're in the tech space, they run an annual survey about stress that happens in IT. And so this, from this last year's report, this is one of the stats that came out. 40%, 40% of us in tech across the US regularly lose sleep due to stress. And this doesn't mean when we're on call. This is purely just because we're totally stressed out. Actually here in Chicago, when you break down the numbers, the numbers higher, 46% of Chicagoans in tech lose sleep because of stress. If we look at the amount of overtime that we're working, 50% of Americans in tech work between eight to 20 hours of overtime. If you look at Chicago, 63. 63% of you guys are working eight to 20 hours of overtime. And then this last one, 82% of people in tech in the US are considering leaving tech, right? Our jobs are just so stressful that we want out. Interestingly, here in Chicago, this number drops to 77%. So you must be doing something a little bit better here in Chicago. But actually, if you look at all these numbers, a third of all people in tech consider leaving on a regular basis. So they're constantly thinking about it. So if I ask, is this a community problem? Well, we're all here at DevOps Days because we're here to learn about implementing cultures, to build better systems by implementing better cultures. But if 82% of us are thinking of leaving this job altogether, that's a problem, right? You can't build better systems if nobody's working. So what are some of the ways that we can start to address this issue? Community solutions. Well, this is DevOps Days, so I do have to mention DevOps. DevOps does address a lot of the issues that create the environments that make people prone to burnout. John Willis, who's one of the founding members of the DevOps Days movement, had a fantastic talk a few years back. That's a link to his talk. I'm not gonna go over a lot of it. We've already talked about a lot of those issues. For example, Katie this morning mentioned some of the issues that you can actually help to encourage people to adopt DevOps. And a lot of those are the same things that actually prevent burnout. Things like recognizing people and providing good incentives. The other thing that we can do is self-care. And this has been talked about a lot as well. There have been some open spaces yesterday. Ken McGrage talked last year at DevOps Days Portland. He gave a great talk about Christina Maslick's six areas of mismatch that lead to burnout and how we can recognize them in ourselves and actions that we can take to help solve those burnout issues with ourselves. But just to go over some of these mismatches. So the first one is work overload. This one's super obvious for most of us, just having way too much work. As I mentioned Bob had mountains of overtime because he just had these long lists of tasks. And it was worse without that clear direction because he couldn't prioritize what he should do with the constant pivoting. If you have a Bob in your office and you notice him or her making commits on the weekend, you notice him or her staying late at night. Don't applaud that. Don't reward that. Discourage that kind of behavior. Talk to your managers.  The second mismatch is a lack of control. We all need to feel empowered. Feel like we have some sort of say in what we're doing. Bob had no input into the direction because it was constantly changing.  Unfortunately, this is a sign of toxic cultures. So if your management is open to it, encourage them to listen to not only to your voice but if you notice that others in your team aren't being listened to, encourage them. Encourage your management to listen to them. The third is insufficient rewards. Money's a weird thing in our culture. We don't talk about salaries because it's taboo. So I don't know what Bob was actually making. We didn't talk about that. But I do know that having a move to Silicon Valley, the most expensive place to live in the country and not giving him a cost of living increase, like that's clearly insufficient rewards. But also rewards don't have to be money. Rewards can be just appreciation, gratitude, recognition for what you're doing. One thing to point out is, you know, with that, we talked, or we heard yesterday from Rhea. She pointed out that giving people credit. So when people help you out in your teams, recognize them for what they're doing. The fourth is a breakdown of workplace community, according to Maslik. And I think this is really a breakdown of any sort of community. We all need to feel connected to people. So for Bob, he lost that when he moved to Silicon Valley. He no longer had the band that he played with. He no longer was playing the sports that he loved. He was just doing work all the time. If you're not regularly going to lunch with the people on your team or going to happy hour, hanging out with them, just having an actual connection beyond work, I'd encourage you to do that. Start creating a better community with your teams. The fifth that Maslik points out is an absence of fairness. This is pretty obviously. We all need to feel like we're getting treated fairly. I don't have to say too much more about this, but if you do see injustice in your organization, obviously say something. And the sixth is a values conflict. Now sometimes this is super obvious, right? If you believe in gun control, you don't go work for the NRA. But there's also like mismatches, like the small things can build up. Mismatches like with Bob, right? He worked on UX that was important or he thought it was important for the company.  So small mismatches add up to really being out of alignment with your company and leading to burnout. So these are the six things that we need to be aware of. But really when I wrote this talk, I wanted to focus on this, equipping ourselves, right? Because we've talked about spreading DevOps. A lot of the other speakers have done that. A lot of the other DevOps days talk about how we spread DevOps. That's the main point of the conference, really. And then we always talk about burnout and how to self-recognize and what we can do on our own. But as I mentioned before, in my situation, I was grossly unqualified to deal with that. So how do we equip ourselves? The first thing that we need to understand is that burnout is prevalent. I didn't realize it when I faced that situation, but a third of all Americans know someone that's been diagnosed with burnout. So there's a good chance that you may end up in the situation that I was in. So equipping ourselves. The first thing that we gotta do is recognize burnout. How to recognize it? Well, if you watch Ken's talk, he brings up the Maslick burnout inventory. Essentially the research is people that go through burnout experience three main areas. The first is exhaustion. The second is cynicism. And the third is loss of efficacy. Essentially people that burnout don't feel like they're doing a good job. I don't particularly love that description, partly because it was designed as an identifier for people that work in human services. So healthcare industry, mental health professionals. So I actually, there's another definition out there, SMBM, that defines burnout as physical fatigue. So people are just physically tired. Emotional exhaustion. And I really like this over cynicism because emotional exhaustion means that people don't necessarily have to be cynical. They could just be apathetic, which I find more often when I meet people with burnout. It's not that they get really cynical and they hate everybody, they just don't care.  And then cognitive weirdness. And I like this over the idea of efficacy because it's really hard to know if someone feels like they're doing a good job without asking them. But it's really easy to see when they're just like brain dead and you ask them a question and they're just staring off into space and they can't answer it or it takes them a long time to be able to like realize what you're asking. So the other way that we can be equipped is to be connected, right? Having real relationships with people puts us in a better place to be able to help them. Also puts us in a better place to be helped if we ever need it. A friend of mine has a very, very simple test for this that he calls three AM friends and it's simply this, that you should be able to easily name three friends that you could call at three AM to bail you out of a problem and if you can't, you're not connected. Similarly, if you don't know three people that would maybe call you at three AM to bail them out of a problem, you're not connected. And I'm not saying that we need on-call pager duty rotations for friendship. Friendship isn't a duty, right? What I am saying is that caring about people and being cared about by other people is necessary for us to fight burnout. And so when it comes to recognizing burnout, like, you know, MBI and SMBM are, they're great definitions for people that are actually psychologists and researchers, but when it comes down to it, when you're connected, how do you recognize burnout? You'll know. You'll know because you'll see changes in the people that you're friends with. You'll know because more often than not, they'll actually just tell you. They'll be like, hey, work sucks, and I'm burnout. It's also important to remember that we're not mental health professionals. When I say that you know, I say that with a caveat that you could be wrong. It might not be burnout. It could be something like depression, but they are closely linked. An interesting point about burnout and depression. Actually, burnout was once defined as depression at work. So actually there was a research study last year that did a survey of, they took a bunch of teachers that had all been diagnosed with burnout and they ran studies on them, matching them up with depression symptoms. And actually 86% of the subjects in the study who were diagnosed with burnout actually met the criteria for being depressed. So again, when I say you'll know, I mean that you'll know something's wrong. You may not know that it is burnout. You could be getting confused with depression. You're not a professional. But the great thing about this is actually the actions that you should take are exactly the same. So you don't have to be an expert. You don't have to feel like you need to know everything. Just being connected with people, just knowing that something's wrong allows you to take the steps that you need. So what steps do you need? Well, first, get training. How many people here have taken a first aid class? Yeah, wow, that's great. That's way more than I thought. You took a first aid class, right? Not because you wanted to be a paramedic. Not because you did it because you thought you'd be a doctor. You're clearly here, so you're not working in the medical field. You do it because you know at some point that you'll be in a situation or you could be in a situation where someone has an immediate need and you want to be able to help until professionals come, right?  Similarly with mental health first aid. Not saying that any of us should leave the field and go become mental health experts, psychologists, people like that. But it's the same thing. People are in mental crisis all the time and there isn't someone there to help them immediately. So that's the idea behind mental health first aid. It's a fantastic course. Takes one full day or you can do it in a series of evenings. Highly recommend you do that. But I'll give you a head start on the class. This is algae, algae the koala. Algae is an acronym. It's actually the core of what you would learn in mental health first aid training. Algae is an acronym.  It's not like a self-referential acronym. A stands for assess of risk of suicide or harm. Pretty clear, right? Like the first thing that you need to identify with if you're dealing with somebody in crisis is are they gonna hurt themselves and then trying to prevent that? A few things about talking about suicide. First, it's a myth that if someone's talking about suicide they're not gonna do it. If someone's talking about suicide, believe them. The second is it's totally okay to say the word suicide. I know when I say that like part of you inside is like ooh, scary word. But it's totally okay to talk about it, especially with people in crisis.  If they're thinking about it, they've already thought about it and by talking about it and putting it out there in the open you can gauge how serious they are. Ask them when, where, how they're gonna do it. Have they planned this out? It helps you really understand how serious they are about that. If you do feel like somebody's at risk of committing suicide, there are some great numbers and folks that you can call that first number is the Chicago Community Counseling Center. They're all across the Chicago Metro area. That's their number that's available 24-7. And nationally is the National Suicide Prevention Hotline and then there's also an SMS line from the National Alliance on Mental Illness. And of course, if you think there's an immediate threat, an immediate problem, 911 is there. The L analogy is for listening and listening non-judgmentally. So three ways that you can really listen non-judgmentally is first to have an attitude of acceptance. Respect that the person, the friend that you're dealing with, that their feelings are valid. Don't judge or criticize. Be genuine with them. And then finally, have empathy. And oftentimes when we talk about empathy, especially in DevOps, we talk about it in a very cognitive way of listening to them and understanding the facts of this situation. When in actuality, for someone in crisis, it's better to have true empathy. Approach their story and imagine yourself in their position and having that imagination of what they're going through helps connect you. The GNL algae is to give reassurance and information. So what does reassurance mean? Well it means that burnout is real and like many things that we talk about in DevOps, it's a systemic problem. It's not a personal issue. Burnout isn't somebody's fault. So reassure them of that. The other great thing to be reassuring of is that unfortunately burnout is common. But the positive side of that is there are a lot of people who've gone through it. There are a lot of resources out there. So there are success stories. There is hope. The first, the analogy. Encourage appropriate professional help. Go see a doctor. Medical doctors are fine. Go see a mental health professional. But I think also the secondary line of encouraging help is to encourage people to speak with their managers or their HR people. This can be tricky, right? Because if they're in a toxic culture, their manager probably doesn't want to help and may actually try to fire them. I'm not a lawyer. But one thing to keep in mind is that if you do seek medical help, if you go to a doctor and you get diagnosed with depression and then your company tries to fire you, there's a thing called the American Insuit Disability Act which will actually kick in and protect you. Some professional help resources, 211 is available in over 90% of the country. Give them a call. They have resources. They can point you to mental health professionals. OSMI is a fantastic one. Open-sourcing mental illness. They have a huge list of resources, particularly oriented towards people like us, people in tech. And then again, mentioning the community counseling centers of Chicago. They have a ton of resources as well. The final analogy is to encourage self-help and support strategies. This could be things like exercise, regularly taking breaks from work and getting out and walking around, playing Pokemon. One thing to note about this though is I hear a lot of people recommending that someone just take a break, go on vacation. Vacations are not, I repeat, vacations are not a good strategy. They don't help with burnout. Vacations are useful for taking a break and clearing your head, thinking about your next action steps, but they are not a sustainable way to prevent burnout. Some self-help resources. Burnout.io is another tech-oriented site that talks about burnout, has some good strategies on how to deal with that. Mood Gym is actually a really interesting one. It's an online tool that actually does help you with your self-awareness, helps you with your moods, and actually has some pretty great science behind it. And then MBCT, so mindfulness-based cognitive therapies. You can actually get training on this. It helps you to be more mindful, more aware of your emotional state, and that can be very, very helpful. So, algae, just to recap. Assess for a risk group of suicide or harm. Listen non-judgmentally. Give reassurance and information. Encourage appropriate professional help, and then finally encourage people to have self-help or other support strategies. So, back to that call that I had with Bob. I didn't put him on hold, I didn't call the cops. I asked what he'd taken, and as with anybody taking drugs, like, I don't do them so, they all freak me out. But I had him on the phone, I looked it up on Google. Turns out, like, not too bad. He wasn't, there was no chance of odying and dying, or real, actual self-harm. So I ended up just listening, and we talked. And I reminded him that I cared about him, and that he had other people that cared about him. And without knowing it, without having gone through mental health first aid training at that time, I'd actually managed to do some of algae. I assessed him for thinking about those drugs, and I listened to him. And so we talked for hours that night, until Bob was ready to just sleep it off, and until I realized I could be fairly certain that he was safe. I managed to visit Bob a few weeks later. I flew down to the varia. He was still burnt out. Obviously, burnout doesn't go away. And actually, shortly after my visit, the company did lay him off. They cut a lot of people. So being out of work is a new type of stress for him, but I think he's dealing with it well, and it's a stress that isn't burning him out. He's got some savings, so he's taking some time off. But unfortunately, he does fall into that 82% of people that's now just not sure if he actually wants to continue in tech. So recapping some community solutions for burnout. The first, spread DevOps. Continue to work to implement good cultures in companies, because that'll fix the environments that make people prone to burning out. And that's the link, again, to John's talk. Encourage self-assessment and awareness. So the more that we can talk about this at places like DevOps Days, the more that we can talk about this in our organizations, make people aware of themselves so that they can start to realize when they're burning out. Super helpful. But finally, equip yourselves. Equip yourselves by simply being connected. Create real relationships with your coworkers. Have real true relationships with people that you've worked with. And then take training. It's cheap, it's available. The more of us that have mental health first aid training, the more people that will be able to help and address when they have crises. So that's all I've got. I'm open to questions, but keep in mind I am not a professional in this. So I'll try to answer as best I can. And that's the link to the slide. So there's a ton of resources there. So once you identify somebody with burnout, and you were looking at all the stats, was there any stats from the onset of burnout to the meaner of average time before they leave your company and you can't either A, help them at your company or reclaim them as a useful employee? That's a great question. And I don't know of any stats around that. So yeah, unfortunately, you know, to be honest, if I were to just like make wild conjecture, which is what I do a lot of, I guess. Now, yeah, wild conjecture would probably mean that most of the people that burn out, like if they're not getting help from your company, you'll never hear from them again, to be honest. And it is because most of them do leave. I think, I'm trying to recall, there is a stat about how many people end up burning out and leaving. And the people that have been diagnosed with burnout, I think the stat is like half of them never go back to tech. You had mentioned about one of the ways to prevent this is to make sure you're building your community in your company. And so like doing lunches together and going out to drinks or something like that. Do you have any suggestions for very distributed teams that are maybe like almost 100% remote and like don't have the chance to get together for that kind of thing? Yeah, so actually work on a remote team within Datadog, we try to get together face to face, once a quarter. Similarly, a few jobs back, it was at MongoDB and worked remotely and we did the same like every six weeks or a couple of months we just get together in person. The other thing that I have implemented at Datadog is a remote happy hour. So once a month everybody remote and at this point it's like 75 remote people. Not everybody can make it but we just have a giant Zoom video hangout. So it's whatever time zone you're in grab an appropriate beverage. Yeah, no day drinking for us but yeah, definitely get together online and hang out. Oftentimes it's because we're growing it's we're meeting whoever's new to the remote part of the company but other than that it really just becomes hanging out and not talking about work. Just talking about like what people did. How was your weekend? See any good movies? What should I be watching on Netflix? Stuff like that. So a lot of the causes you've recognized kind of seem to be company based. I'm not wondering when you were kind of going through looking at the statistics on this. It seems very bad that any company would do anything that would promote burnout but it also seems like a lot of companies don't seem to care. So it seems like kind of self harm to the companies. Have you seen anything like companies like kind of recognizing that this is an issue and maybe trying to do something about it consciously rather than reactively? Yeah. I don't know. So I haven't first hand seen many companies addressing that but I only work at one company right now so I can't really say what other companies are doing. Definitely though things like not encouraging people to work long hours of overtime. Katie was up here mentioning those things of like incentivizing, right? Like it's not a badge of honor to be working 16 hour days. So starting to try to think of ways to incentivize people to be reasonable with their time and stuff like that. So I think there are companies that are doing it. It's just really hard to see into companies unless you have people like Katie or others who come up and talk about some of their issues. But yeah, I don't think that it's very widespread at this point. I think we still live in a culture that very much rewards people for investing their whole lives in being loyal employees, which is a sad thing. I honestly, maybe that's an open space topic but I'm interested in how do you not get hired into a company like that and how to we recognize the signs and run away before you kind of get all in to that mentality. Yeah. Thank you very much. Let's give it up for Jason. Thanks. Thanks.


ITW is an important event for Connected to Fiber because it provides one single large event where we can interact and network with the industries, best buyers and sellers as well as learn more about what's occurring in the market and interact with some very interesting players. Unlike many of the other conferences that focus on technology details, ITW brings together key sales professionals and business development stakeholders with a focus on the commercial aspects of business interactions between carriers. This will be Catawork's third year of attending ITW and we see the types of attendees as key stakeholders to understand the business and commercial value our software brings to the industry. ITW is really key as far as from the telecommunication industry I've seen in the last couple of years for people to get an opportunity to see each other once in a year which used to be like in the US. Previously now this time it's virtual. I see that is a very key differentiator in day-to-day lives of the telephones when most of the time we're on emails on calls but such an event really brings all the people from the one team to really face-to-face see each other, meet with each other and maybe just have a couple of discussions which I personally see I couldn't have it. You know, sometimes I find very interesting area where businesses can win more opportunities or develop a relationship with the partners and this is really key thing to attend such an event to meet with the people. That's really I see personally is the key for myself to engage with the people, build up the network in the industry to know more and more what's happening, what's a different company that's going around the world and how we can make a use of such a big community of telephones. So such an event bring all these pieces together and I see that event is really key for all of us to keep on and this year I think it's just been virtual but I see this is another area where we can instead of roaming around around the different buildings and getting late for the meetings we can still see each other virtually. So I've been attending for last four years I would say, three to four years it's been now. So I keep attending other events as well of ITW so it's really great for me to again, I'm looking forward for meetings in Washington so I will be attending more and more of these events. So I've been attending ITW since the very first inception of it for the first year and previous to that. Before it was ITW it was the GTM conference in Washington DC. It's personally my favorite conference of the year in our industry. Really for the main reason that it brings together all verticals, all global, regional, domestic, carriers, providers, ISPs, you name it. Everybody in our space it's the what I like to call the A through Z of the telecommunications infrastructure where we can all gather in one location and collaborate and meet. And it's not only is it great for business and networking but it's really it's almost like a reunion every year to see everybody that we've built a phenomenal career and relationships with over time so it's definitely my favorite conference of the year and I look forward to every year. Well I think you know this is the week where we can talk to different people from different places in the world. We can talk with our partners, customers, vendors and then we can get a sense of what is happening in the future and what is happening in that different geographies. So for me it's good you know I'm always learning something new during ITW. I think the world is flat right? There's no boundary for the internet access and ITW can keep the world connected and it's good for the telecom industry. With this event all companies can do the business through this event and also can know each other. I think it's a great event and wish this event a great success. ITW is incredibly important to the industry particularly in the environment where the demand is increasing and it provides a perfect platform for networking amongst industry professionals and companies so that we can respond to the increasing demand that's existing in the world today. ITW for us is the premier opportunity to really network with existing clients or prospects, see old friends, make new connections and really talk about what the vibe is. What's changing? Where should we be adapting? What should we be doing different? Getting feedback from people that we're doing business with and people we want to do business with. So ITW is really the best place to do that.


Welkom to our 13th Cornerstone Lesson today. On the panel we have Chabriji, Flex, Barbara and Ashley. On orchestra we have Ashlyn, Elsie, and Shema, and Jace will be doing our sign language. So we start, let's bow down for the word of prayer. O Lord, we thank you for this day. Thank you for being thus thus far. May your spirit be thus, may guide us, may we learn in Jesus' name, my prayer and belief, amen. So our title of our mission today is crying over lunch. Achia cried as she walked to the bus stop to catch a bus for high school in the West African country of Ghana. She wasn't crying because she had to go to school. She was crying because she had to go to school without any money for lunch. Mother had given her 15 Ghanian CD about one USD just enough to pay for bus fare to school. But mother couldn't pay for her lunch and there was no food at home to share. Achia cried as she boarded the bus. She cried as she sat in her seat. She cried because she couldn't do anything else. But then she remembered God. While she couldn't do anything, God could do everything. After all, Jesus said, with all things, with God all things are possible. Matthew 19.6. As the bus bumped down the road, Achia tia fully prayed. I know you can do anything, she prayed. So please give me some money on the way to school. Achia wondered how God might give her some money. Perhaps the bus driver would forget to collect her fare when he came up to the back to ask passengers to pay up. God, if it is possible, please make the driver forget to collect the money from me. She prayed, but something else happened. An old man with gray hair boarded the bus. Only one bus it was empty and it was right beside Achia. The man sat down beside Achia. How are you feeling? He asked. Achia was crying too hard to answer. Then the driver came back to collect bus fares. And the driver reached Achia. The old man pulled out 50 CD about 3.50 USD and paid both his and Achia's fares. He gave the rest of the money, 20 CD, to Achia. Achia tried to stop crying to thank him, but before she knew it, the old man stood up and got off the bus. Achia followed him out onto the street. She wanted to thank him. The bus had stopped only at 30 minutes to walk from the school and she could walk the rest of the way. But when Achia looked for the old man, she couldn't see him anywhere. He had disappeared. Then it started to rain heavily. The bus was gone and Achia would get soaked if she would walk to school in the rain. She thought about healing a taxi, but there were no taxis inside. As she wondered what to do, a car stopped and its driver offered her a ride. In Ghana, some drivers earn extra money by giving rides to people. Achia gave the school's address and the driver took her straight to them. When they arrived, the driver surprised Achia. He didn't ask her to pay for the ride. Instead, he gave her 50 CD. Achia didn't understand why he had given her the money. Chonlini one thing. She had left home with 15 CD, but had arrived to school with 85 CD. As she travelled to school, God had given her nearly six times more money than she had had at the beginning. Achia believes God can truly do anything for those who ask with faith. I asked him with faith on my way to school and he did it, she said. I got more than I even asked for. Indeed, the Bible says, God is able to do exceedingly, abundantly above all that we ask or think. Ephesians 3 verse 20. At school that day, Achia bought herself lunch of rice and tomato soup. It is said really, really good. Today Achia is starting to become a nurse at a college that will receive part of this quarter 13 Sabbath offering. Thank you for giving a generous offering today to help most students study at the 7th day Adventist nursing and midwifery training college in Ghana. The offering also will help another mission project, a bilingual elementary school where children will learn in French and English in Cameroon. Thank you so much for that beautiful piece of music. Faith of our fathers. And indeed the topic for today is the father's God chose for his son.  And I'd like to encourage you to turn to lesson 13 of the cornerstone connection lesson so that you can study along with us. Before we begin, I have a beautiful team in front right here with me. I'd like each one of them to introduce themselves starting from my immediate right. Your viewers, my name is Mikael Flex. Hello everyone, my name is Babrachim. And hi everyone, my name is Ashli Philas. Welcome to the cornerstone lesson once again. And my name is Brigitte Albiomodereta. So I'd like to invite Ashli to open for us with our prayer. Let us pray. Brudema of the universe, you come before the throne of mercy. We ask Lord that as we read your word, you may give us understanding that you may remove every preconceived idea that your word may impart light and knowledge and wisdom to our lives that you may be drawn closer to thee as we lift you up for this humble prayer in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you so much, Ashli. So we have come to our last lesson for this year and of course for the quarter. So as I had mentioned, the title for this lesson is The Father's God Chose for His Son. And even as we continue studying, we'll see the mothers as well, right? And so I think of importance today is for us to realize that in the previous lessons we have been studying about the kings of Israel. And our last lesson was actually about King David. So you may wonder how we did transition from the story of King David. And now we are talking about the fathers of God's son who is Jesus Christ. And that's important for us to realize that David himself is one of the ancestors of Jesus Christ. Now, even as we get into our lesson today, I'd like for us to find out what do we think about this lesson? So I'd invite Barbara to take us through that. Thank you so much, Shiza Brezic. So I will be taking us through the what do you think session of the story, lesson 13. So for our first question, it says, you have the names of three siblings between born between 1884 and 1887 and you need to know the names of their parents which will be the best sensals to start with. Is it the 1880, the 1900 or 1910? Asha, Ashley? Names of three siblings born between 1884 and 1887 knowing the names of their parents which sensals will be the best to start with. I think 1880 would be the best to start with. I really don't know. Okay, that is a good try. What about you, Tisha Bridget? I think I'd say 1900 because you realize that in 1880 these children were not yet born. So you may not be able to actually connect them with their parents. So you have to at least go slightly after when they were born to actually make that connection. Yeah, that is actually correct. So moving on to the second question of the what do you think session. The best place to start your genealogical research is, is it the internet, grammar or library? Well, you know the internet has so fascinating. There's actually a way where you can try to send a genealogy but you know a library doesn't have your personal information of your genealogy unless you're like super famous. So the best option would be your grandma which will tell a lot of stories. So if you have a time, go with some cup of tea and you'll know. May I just add something that don't you think our grandparents were quite intelligent but they remembered so many names and yet in this day you just be told someone's name and five minutes later you don't even remember. Like yeah, that would be a challenge to one each one of us here and even the viewers listening. How fine your genealogy can you go? Yeah, that is actually correct flex. So moving on to the last question you found several records that give your ancestors birthdays. Which source is the most reliable? Is it the 1834 baptismal records, 1850 censors or the 19 or two death records? I think 19 or two death records. Why would you say so? Because the death record the death certificate is issued for burial and all the other things maybe inheritance of lands, accession of property. So that would be the most reliable because everyone needs that death certificate to move on with their lives. Baptismal record not everyone was baptized. The censors, where would you get the information? Government is difficult. A little long list. Yeah, that is actually quite true. So I can connect the what do you think session of this part with Saturday where I will just ask a question which is numerous genealogies are listed in both the old and the new testament. Why do you think that the writers of the Bible are so careful to include this list and what can we learn from them? Well, first of all, I think why they were so careful to include this because God promised that Abrams generation will be among the stars and numbers and all that. His nation will be great. Also David, he said that I will, through you I will produce an air or something like that. Like the promises of God had to be followed through some kind of genealogy, right? So they were careful to show us that what God said about his promises back then is actually true. What we can learn about it is we can be keen enough to take note of whatever is going on in our lives maybe to help the future generation learn from us. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you so much for taking us through that. I'm very interesting activity. So I'd like us to go right into the story and a disclaimer is that our into the story today has a lot of names. Personally sometimes I do struggle reading Bible passages that have a lot of names which honestly sometimes don't make sense to me because I don't know those people but today I hope you can be able to follow through with us because you'll realize that there are some people you will actually recognize in this name. So into the story it starts with I will be his father and he will be my son this week. We are reading from 2nd Samuel 7 chapter 7 verse 14 also from Matthew chapter 1 verse 1 to 6 also from Luke chapter 3 from 23 32 and 38. So please be along. I will be his father and he will be my son. When does he, when does, when he does wrong I will punish him with a rod wielded by man with thogings inflicted by human hands but my love will never be taken away from him as I took it away from soul whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me. Your throne will be established forever. This is the genealogy of Jesus, the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac. Isaac the father of Jacob. Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers. Judah the father of Perez and Zera whose mother was Tamam. Perez the father of Hezron. Hezron the father of Ram. Ram the father of Amnidab. Aminadab. And Aminadab the father of Nashun. Nashun the father of Salmon, Salmon the father of Boaz whose mother was Rahab. Boaz the father of Obed whose mother was Ruth. Obed the father of Jesse and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon whose mother had been Uriah's wife. And Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary. Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah. Now Jesus himself was about 30 years old when he began his ministry.  Do you think this was more of a promise or a threat? I think to David it was comforting that even though I die God is there will always be has always been and to my sons because he promises to give David a house a dynasty So even though he will not be there to lead his own children in the way of the Lord the Lord has promised that I will be there and I will lead your children I will be their father and he will be my son and when he does wrong I will punish him I think but the part that says with flogging infliction by human hands was a bit scary because David himself would choose to fall in the hands of God rather than the hands of men but the word I would like to underline here is when he does wrong he may he may not do wrong only when he does wrong will I punish him and maybe let me just add that to me it's a promise of love there are some verses that are given there and if you read them you actually realize that we are told that the Lord chastends or he reprimands those he loves and even just taking us back to lessons that we did a few sabats ago which was Eli's bad bad boys remember that Eli claimed to love his son yet he didn't correct them and you saw that their end was damnation they eventually died and they were killed and so God doesn't want us to die he wants to separate he wants us to separate the sin from ourselves so he wants us to be separated from the sin such that at the end when destruction is coming we are not killed with that sin so it's a promise of love to me thank you thank you so much for your your comments and your answers now maybe the last question from out of the story how does the knowledge that God loves you too much to allow you to continue to do wrong and harm your relationship with him others and yourself give you hope as you face life's difficulty maybe Barbara can try that one so the knowledge that God loves me too much and doesn't want me to continue doing wrong to harm my relationship with him actually gives me comfort and yeah I think I really like the way God loves me even though I am a sinner I can't say I am clean because time and time again I will sin and still go back to him and he'll forgive me true also for me it's really a comforting thing because when we were kids we were all beaten I hope so by our parents and in the moment we never liked it infact my mother had a habit of beating me and then hugging me and tell me she loves me in the moment I couldn't see it and when you grow older you actually say by the way I needed to be beaten and I thank my mom for doing this so it shows that God's love is so pure and so true that he will not leave you to be in mud or sin that he will chase in you so that when you continue in the life's journey you can be purified and actually claim his righteousness I once read a quote someone said that it is not purified by washing with water it is purified by fire so sometimes the chastement may not be enjoyable it may be very very painful you can imagine being burnt it may be very painful it is burnt in a crucible not even by a burnt in a crucible so the chastement may be painful but what comes out of the fire is that when he tries me I shall come forth as gold because my foot had kept he steps his ways have I kept and not declined so moving on to the flashlight we'll read and it says the Pharisees had gathered clues about Jesus as he answered the question of the scribe now turning he puts a question to them what thing he of the Christ whose son is he this question was designed to test the belief their belief concerning the Messiah to show whether they regarded him simply as a man or as the son of God a chorus of voices answered the son of David this was the title which prophecy had given of the Messiah so here we when we talk about Christ and the question was what we think of Christ if we read the desire of ages we figure out that the Israelites their lives their day to day lives were pointed to the coming of the Messiah but because of their apostasy they drifted far away from Christ that they cling to the forms of sacrifice to the dead forms and forgot who the sacrifices pointed to the son of man came to earth John 1 says that he came to his own and his own knew him not so we see that the question is for us today and the identity of Christ is questioned even in our church today whether he is the son of God or whether he is not the son of God and I ask that we all should believe not about what people say but who do we think we have studied who do we think the son of God is thank you so much for that so I just want to take us back to our story again and for us being Christians and having studied even in school having learnt about the story of Jesus and his life if you were to write a book about Jesus what title would you give it maybe I can start this and I said maybe it would be something like the mystery revealed something like that so does anyone of you maybe have any title that you may have given a book written about Jesus about like his day to day life anyone Ashley or Barbara I think if I were to write a book about Jesus and to give the book a title I'll give it the title that Jesus is the son of God and he loves you maybe for me I'll have doubt finally resolved now for me why I chose that is because people always say in fact I knew someone I know someone who said if only they wrote a bit more of what Jesus did for the 30 years he was Bible only talks about the 3 years he was in ministry maybe maybe I would have seen more or I would believed more so people have a lot of doubt especially for the 30 years you know what was Jesus being and all that so maybe that's the doubt will be finally resolved but there's a quote I read or is it a quote of Bible but it says that if we wrote the day to day activities that Jesus did throughout his life it will fill up all the libraries so that doubt will be truly resolved but the information will be too much thank you so much the reason I was asking that is because you realize how Matthew is starting the book of Matthew it's not an interesting way you know he starts it's not something that you'd actually would cut your eye and be like I want to study this so it's important for us to realize there's a reason why he started the book that way and there's a reason why all those buses about 17 buses have been given over to actually just letting us know who was in the genealogy of Jesus and they lead back to God and they lead back to God even if we deny okay I don't personally but even though there is a lot of discussion and debate as to whether Christ is the Son of God and how was he man fully man and fully God the genealogy goes back to God so whether he was born man or whether he is divine he is still the Son of God thank you so much another interesting thing from our lesson is that we have seen there are females who are mentioned in this genealogy of Jesus so what are some of the names of the females in this story and is there anything that you could associate them with and then maybe now relate that with it being in the genealogy of Christ maybe I would start with the most uncommon that is Tamar Tamar was Tamar was the daughter in law to Judah and when I read this story the first time I was like wait a minute how is this even worthy of being recorded this is beyond we cannot believe it he was the daughter in law she disguised herself as a prostitute but in the end she is forgiven her children are found in the genealogy of Christ this shows that no matter how far you walk no matter how far from God you have trod you can still come back and be a part of his family and her name is recorded in the genealogy of Christ that gives people a lot of hope thank you so much for that so that was Tamar any other female that maybe you saw in this genealogy and anything you know about them maybe Ruth Ruth was the it was a story about how she left her family to go live with the mother in law so Naomi I think the reason why this women are here in this genealogies to show that God really even to the minute details he really plans for it and he really wants the best outcome to whatever his plan is so through this women you can see signs of strength, courage, faith and even are turning away from their old life to accepting Christ or ultimately God in their time and you can see this through the stories that are with Ruth she left and shows from a morbide so she left her ancestors and came to live with Naomi who was a Jew an Israelite and that shows that even though when you turn away to God he will prosper you and your true success and just to add that Ruth as you said she was a morbide if you remember where the morbide originated from remember they were as a result of an incest incest relationship between Lord and one of his daughters so it's important for us to realize that already this were a caste people because remember after that they were told that they were actually cast by God they should not even none of them should enter the assembly of the Lord till the 10th generation so it was such a big caste and yet God is still choosing to use Ruth as one of the people who was in the genealogy of Jesus maybe let me also mention about Rehab which we also studied during this quarter was it this quarter somewhere during the year and remember how Rehab remember the story of Rehab where she was a harlot a kana night exactly she had everything that you just wouldn't want to be associated living in the seat of Adola Chivitwa Jericho so you can see God still decided to use her to be part of the genealogy and it just shows us that truly God does not discriminate he is not someone who favors people so it's important for us to realize that they did purposefully mention these females for us to actually see that God can use anybody and even for you our dear viewer it doesn't matter maybe how low you fallen as long as you come back to God with a contrite heart and let him know that truly Lord I am sorry and you completely turn away from it then he can use you in whatever work that he has planned for you so maybe we can move on to our Wednesday section alright so the Wednesday section has a number verses in the punchline and it asks us to read these passages and how it relates or answer the question which Jesus poses in Luke chapter 20 verse 41 if someone has it they can read it so Luke chapter 20 verse 41 it says then Jesus say to them why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David yes so now as you guys are thinking I can maybe say a verse which I think answers the question that Jesus poses in Luke chapter 20 verse 41 and I'll start with oh there's no verse okay Matthew chapter 1 verse 18 to 20 but after he had considered this an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said Joseph son of David do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit now we see that the question was practically answered by the angel of the Lord he called Joseph the son of David so there's no there should be no debate about it if it wasn't even posed by a man it was a direct you know how the verse yeah the verse I'd like is Isaiah 53 verse 5 and 6 which says but he was pierced for our transgressions he was crushed for our iniquities the punishment that British peace was upon him and by his wounds we are healed we all like sheep have gone astray each of us has turned to our own way and the Lord has laid upon him the iniquity of us all I like the KJV version though because he was chastened for our iniquities and by his stripes we are healed look at the ladies who are mentioned in his genealogy all of them, every one of them had either a hereditary sin that was not part of her life or some of them did mistakes in their own lives which are not regarded as a small sin in our today's world in quotes so I'd like us to all know that no matter what we do look at David David was the man after God's own heart yet there are things he did that he repented of he wished that I might as well die then live through the consequences of the things I have done but still God calls him a man after his own heart so I'd like to pose this to the viewers a question and my question would be what is it that you have done that makes you feel undermined makes you feel so unworthy of God's love even though yes you are unworthy by birth but there are things in your life that you have done that you have come across temptations that you have fallen and you feel like the Lord should not look at me I do not want to be seen by God I'd rather run away from his presence and know that no matter how you feel God still cares about you and he's still willing that you do not perish but that you come to everlasting life Thank you so much for that so I'd like to invite Barbara to take us through our key text which is from Luke chapter 3 verse 23 and verse 31 so our key text for today says now Jesus himself was about 30 years old when he began his ministry he was the son so it was thought of Joseph the son of Haley the son of David so maybe you can connect it also with the Monday part so the Monday part the question states explain why Luke said so it was thought that Jesus was the son of Joseph and David does the inclusion this statement cast doubt on the divine origin of Jesus why or why not I don't think it cast doubt I think Matthew just realized that people weren't spiritually disowned at the time because the scriptures were there and the synagogues were there and everything was there for them to be revealed through the Holy Spirit that truly this is the Messiah who ultimately is a descendant of David so it's not really a cast of doubt I think it's just for the times he was in so it was thought because no one really was spiritually disowned all they knew was this is Joseph's child but Matthew was revealed that this is not he is the son of Joseph but he is also ultimately the descendant of David thank you so much for that so even as we proceed before we come to an end maybe let's hear what does the spirit of prophecy have to say about our lesson today well our lesson today has very many stories in one it has the reign of David intersected with the coming of Christ the chosen people, the unpreparedness and even the fulfillment of the prophecy of Christ concerning the when God decided to give David a dynasty and he was not allowed to build the temple I'd like us to learn one lesson but sometimes our definition of success may be doing something for God or doing more than God requires even though he has not commanded we want to do it out of gratitude may not be his will for us to do it but if you cannot have what you hoped for do not sit in despair and allow all your energy to go to waste but arise, guide yourself and help others to achieve if you may not build you may gather materials for him that shall and if you may not go down the mind you may hold the ropes so I'd like us to understand and know even as we close that we may not be able to achieve the things we want to achieve but we can lay stone for those who are coming after us those who God has prepared to do the work that was in our hearts to do so that we are not blinded by the fact that I was not able to achieve this and therefore all the rest of the things that we have to do in this life become unimportant or restrained other than that I'd like us to also remember that we are at the risk of interpreting prophecy or God's promises for our own selfish desires because we want a breakthrough in something we may interpret is to give us the meaning that we are looking for but we are called upon to be submissive to the spirit of God that he may influence our minds even as we read his word that he may be able to submit to his will for our lives even though that is not what we want for ourselves and thank you so much for that maybe I can add something that just came to me to still answer about the divine origin of Jesus I mean even just from the from the title the father God chose for his son I mean that right there is just divine in itself because we can see that the plans for salvation was way before we even fell this was it says that Jesus was the lamb from the foundation something like that right so we can see God actually thought out even to the minute details of the genealogies who would be the fathers, the descendants, the mothers and he used everyone who actually accepted or turned from their wickedness and came to his light and why I'm saying this is because as much as he did this for his son his descendants as we can see was planned from the very beginning we can tell that I can tell you for a fact that God has a plan for your life and he has planned it nothing can surprise God that thing where you are told a secretion we are like this happened who can surprise God there's a song that says who can give counsel to the all knowing what do we know that can actually benefit God so as you're going through your life just know that God has your back you just need to trust him and follow out his will and his promises and you will be truly safeguarded and we have come to the end of our lesson today I'd like to thank so much my panelists for having this discussion with us and I'd like to invite you dear viewer for our next lesson so before we finish just before we pray I'd like us to read the father in sight it says this day in the city of David a savior which is Christ the Lord so at the time when we think it's not at the time when we are in our thoughts and doing our own things these are the moments when God impresses many things upon our minds so we may only learn to meditate and listen to his voice Barbara you can pray for us okay so let us close with a word of prayer kind of a living God we thank you we thank you for loving us to come and record our 13th lesson and our last lesson for this quarter dear father even as we disperse please be with us, guide us and protect us and help the viewer online to understand what we have just discussed here 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You know, when I started these recordings, I had this fresh new beginning feeling, the feeling that this could be about anything and I didn't know what direction it would go. But now after reaching almost 50 of these recordings, it starts to have its own kind of weight to it, the idea of, oh, this is what these are about. Just by virtue of what I have been doing, I start to feel like, oh, that's what this is about. And as much as I don't want to let myself be in this box, it is like putting myself in a box where I kind of expect to continue the way I have. Because this is what I've been doing, I just have this automatic expectation that it's going to continue. And this can happen in all areas of life. Just once I get into a certain kind of repeated pattern, I can start to expect that that pattern can continue. And that seems to be just the way our minds work, as we're always looking for those patterns and we're always looking for some kind of comfortable routine. So when we see something repeating, we expect it to continue. But ultimately, this is not helpful for what I want to do. I still want this to be open to changing. And what I'm doing here so far with these recordings is just the bare beginning of what I want to do with this project. So once again, I have to press the reset button. I have to mentally reset so that I can be open to something new. And because this is a part of everything in life, it seems to me like this is something that is really an everyday thing. With every day, when we end the day, we put the day to rest, that is done. That is that iteration of life is finished. And when we start up the next day, that is like beginning again a new life. As much as that's the ideal, it is still so easy to get into repeated patterns. And so maybe every day would be pushing it too far. And let's say every week, we could start with every week will be a completely new life. I like thinking this way. I think there's a lot of power in thinking that way and being open to be able to completely refresh ourselves. Maybe it can be taken too far. We don't have to forget everything and learn everything again. We still we inherent what we had from our previous iteration or previous day. But it's like something that I have to I have to make myself believe it. It doesn't happen automatically. I have to tell myself, remind myself and really convince myself that no, you don't have to follow the pattern of yesterday. You don't have to continue to do what you've been doing. Every new day that you have is a new chance to live your life. And there is no chain of the past holding on. That's only in our minds that we create this notion, this illusion that today will be like the past. And of course, it's perfectly understandable and reasonable to use that to help guide ourselves through the new day. What is our best guide through the new day? Well, all the previous days we've been through are the best guide to help us be ready for what's coming today. So it can be useful as a guide, of course. And of course, we carry on everything we've learned in our past days, in our thousands of past days. But the mistake where it goes too far is to expect that today will operate within the parameters of yesterday. So today in this first recording that I've made in the morning, seeing the bright sunshine coming through my east window there, as we have surprising record cold temperatures in Toronto for this time of year, this is a new day, new time, new season, and anything can happen. So I'm going to let, as much as I can, I'm going to try to let today be a reset, let today be new.


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