watching Third episode of L to the okey start to wonder you sort of we're in the part of the season where you just Blear the whole thing and it's like where are we happening having judged from the trailer will be getting our Kang soon But I don't even know what that means. Yeah, I want to mania set it up.  Okay, you're gonna know this show Considering that it's gonna end when the marbles comes out. Do you think that they're gonna have any connection at all? No Like one line or something like are we supposed to forget about secret invasion about time we watch marbles I don't know because that's the that's the show that should play entirely into the marbles, but it won't That and miss marble, but miss marble came out like well over a year ago, right? So I think nobody remembers that probably forgot what happened it anyway I'm pretty sure gary posted something saying you need to like watch 16 hours of disney plus series in order to understand the marbles Well, so the thing is the thing is you probably don't Yeah Well, why should you watch any of the supporting material when the people who made the thing didn't isn't that wild That some of the people who work on these projects are like, oh, yeah, it was like the scarlet witch show Yeah, I watched a few episodes of that or that was it's not just that they didn't it's that they didn't feel the need to It's like wow, you would have thought when you get involved in Any like if we were put on doc to who was writers I'd be like well I'm gonna we're watching that whole fucking show And you'd probably buckle in no, they're like i'm doing what the fourth one of this thing. Yeah, sure Whatever. I remember the celestial that's talking sticking out of the first three. I They got it. They I believe that that's happening Was it she-hawk like an article in she-hawk they dressed it once but like They should just start to show and it's like Earth is leaving its orbit because of the celestial that's taking out of It's been mentioned so many times But living in the marbled universe as like a regular person has got to be a horrifying prospect with how many Well-ending catastrophes occur every year. Maybe in one of the avengers films It'll just be like a president's address and one of the lines in the background of the scene will be like After having dealt with the celestial emergency and you're like way dealt with Ow, he's still you know, we Medusa him. He's like a dark souls thing.  What are you buying? He sells bootleg DVDs for some reason your random idea now is probably more interesting than what they're ever going to do With that thing they're probably going to do if we watched an episode of any tv show and that was the scene that happened I would legit be wondering If we were dealing with an actual writer just because of how wacky that is I'd be like no way someone just did that for no reason. Someone's having fun You get in marvel is marvel wackiness, which is pretty lame. What would you say is the most creative if we're gonna throw them a Bone what would you say is the most creative thing they've done?  What is the most creative thing that they've done in terms of like writing or premise in phase four Actually utilizing a new night probably what like episode like maybe Some something about a character who develops an alternative personality The mc doesn't get to have that that's the character that has exists. They're adapting something that somebody else created I wouldn't give them that meanwhile we would give them one division because that seems to have been their idea What we thought was going to be their idea like using that as a whole season thing was just an intro to a couple of episodes Having some fun I would have wanted like if we could go full throttle be like we're going to have a whole season of black and white And we're going to gradually move through maybe like 10 years of progress and they'll be so subtle It won't be like pointed out to the audience But each episode will get like better and better in terms of what was improving for tvs And well physical hardware as well over those years, but then the story just giving them a little snippets away Remember the uh little ads that had like sounds and references to the history of the mcu and it was like what's that going to mean? What's that going to how's that going to play us clearly her mind is like and then there's just big laser fight at the end That was really cool though. That laser fight was really cool Was it eventually revealed that they basically finished making the effects for that episode like a week before it came out Probably which uh, I guess that wasn't so bad compared to the effects being updated after the film was already in theaters Isn't that crazy? If it wasn't even done it needed like a post-launch patch like a video game Funny too, so it'd be like the idea that I'd want multiple seasons to play with whatever happening in wonder vision land They'd be like no, we need her out of there for mom in one season The new vision need harkness set up We need a new superhero in the form of botan or whether the hell she's going to be called and it's like oh my god The person who's making the show is like why and hindi's like well, I mean, you're not allowed to know that that's that's all In fact, you're fired Just for asking that Which brings us to low key season two episode three in terms of just this dire avalanche of horrors that uh Nobody's talking about this fucking show man. I've seen like barely anybody. You'd be surprised episodes are actually releasing And uh, there was one really worrying tweet. I saw this was just this was harrowing someone said Wow an incredible premiere for season two, but episodes two and three. I'm just I'm not feeling it man That's the same thing. Oh, no normies are catching up. They just There's not doing it. We need to get anakin in here. I don't know what else you can do What is this lucky beggaring? I'm done. He couldn't he can appear he can pull low key into the will between worlds, right? Yep makes sense Well, maybe they could just do the same thing right where they they have the flashes and low keys wearing his avengers costume As he's walking through some shadows anakin's like I used to be a bad guy just like you low key You need to be better and then it looks like no, I've been on my redemption. Have you I saw my movie In movie format. I watched the mc and they start like fighting over who's more redeemed anakin's like I'm the wise one here. Look, he's like, how old are you? He's like, what do you mean like 50 or something? This sounds better than brad like does anyone even remember remember what was brad is brad even gonna show up ever again Brad low key trying to remind us that he's still the old low key even though He's not and like cake or pie in the room. Let's just let's just go. Shall we yeah, that's All right.  What do you mean the blast doors won't open Is it bad that I would prefer to watch an episode of Gotham Knights? It's not constructed to weave together so many new branches. So we're overloading I feel like the people right in this even know like is anyone gonna believe that any of this is like has stakes I don't know what they yeah, I don't know because you didn't even have those type of conversations about stakes inconsistency Surely Surely they have to you know, this is their job You know what's absolutely nuts though if they between shooting had oan wilson and tom hiddleston sit down And they just recorded conversations and they asked them about how they're feeling about filming about pie even that And then they released that as a tv show like just conversations with Heroes or something, you know, I wonder if that would do better at this point They have the type of character investment to get away with those type of things But they just don't have confidence in like scenes. They're just dialogue and they certainly don't want a sense lost for You know a few minutes.   What was neat? I really like the spider-man one where they did the spider-man theme for the intro. That was fun Spider-man spider-man. Oh, it's this character that I don't Know Chicago, Illinois, that's like the earth planet where everything takes place good old illinois Yeah, I like the set too. I'm just not happy to see her I don't know why we're supposed to care about this either. What are you standing on? Oh, well, it's a hologram thing, right? Yeah, but but it was standing on things before but now it's just floating The important person you were gonna meet The one at the end of time Remember how miss menace's technology is like a billion light years ahead of everything else in the tv We need to put this package in that window. It was his plan meant to protect all of time Then why didn't he do it? Yeah, we got bored. He got stabbed. He got stabbed by lady Loki Yeah, the big donald's lady killed him Get back someone will see your magic There's no reason why you need to appear if you could just project Doesn't that make oh, it's 1836.  No difference at all. Yeah It's 1836. They just did that to be cute. The world has color. Why can't you just be invisible? Can't you just be invisible this package that window and why do I get him returned when he's back where he belongs? You and I will be right by his side How does she speak? How does she like propaganda waves? AI magic? Oh my god. Is this young kang making his time machine? Call him yang. He's making drugs. Yay kang's meth dynasty. Is it bad that eddy type? I see that as an image what we're seeing right now It reminds me of interstellar and that stupid gravity message. No, that's what's in the book The book has the morse code Time watch in it.  So kang created himself. This boy's like, man This wouldn't be a lot if I could read. I wish I damaged you Fry fry slept with his own grandmother. What could possibly be In so that gives him time powers. Well, no, it's gonna teach him all about everything's with tva and then make him You'll create someone in the eight for someone in 1836.  No, you're completely correct I have no idea how he's gonna be able to do anything with this. He's like, we're still I'm sorry. We're supposed to believe I liked it when it was this way when iron man was the first crazy thing to consider other than That everything was normal timeline wise and they go back a bit and they move some things around like cap Okay, I get it. But now you've given him that at that time.  We need to scale the looms capacity to manage all those new franches.  There has to be a viable option.  No cares about you What about miss minutes? Can she open up access to the looms miss minutes? What about it? Well, shouldn't they technically have more time now because the other ones nuked a bunch of the branches But what is more tightly to the tba? Yeah, she has administrator access to the entire tba She has administrator access to the entire tba access to the whole universe. It doesn't really matter if she's gone and she's A wall don't you think maybe the it should be more than just her that can do that I'd say the sooner we find her the better How could you possibly find a creature that can travel through space and time? Good question. How could you ever it's like you how could you get a lojack?  Everything's on earth. We find rights there. We find miss minutes What are you gonna do when you find it? Yeah, it's not like you can grab more than it's my people working on this problem I hate when blow up the whole tba Yeah, we're doing stuff like this like it's just like if a character was just a nuclear bomb and the second you stand next to them Explode and it's like we got to find them. It's like what do you mean? What are you what are you gonna do? What's happening? We got a hit on the 10 pad going from chicago 1868 to the same spot 1893 oh did I did I say 1836 or was it 18 it doesn't change anything that I've said it's just 1886 wrong. Okay in that case the tba should make sense to him any major figure arises from here Let's go to 1893. Yeah, we've been here for four seconds Oh, wow, did nobody see that? Okay, I feel like that would be something to note, you know the white city Addison hh holmes. Yes hot air balloons hh holmes really who's hh holmes. He's a very prolific serial killer Air balloons, I don't know what fish are but air balloons. Whoa, I wouldn't ever want to wear them But the lady stresses at the times. There's just something about them. They're very I don't know like notable They're very oh look kind of poncho But I don't know like just a vibe the hats the little flat kind of hats and the bowler hats and I don't know there's just a vibe Hello dolly kind of like everyone could bust out into a musical at any point about their She's in the newspaper now Yeah, okay, why is she invisible? Because we've been chinese pavilions. That felt randomly stylistic. I don't know Because they're in this time zone and it makes no invention called cat cars.  Which is fine I take a more slow. So you guys brought periods specific money here Which would be interesting if when they went on these missions across time They had their suit up thing where like their version of m would explain to them Okay, using the n words fine Now here's what the money is Here's what this is don't do this Just just some primers on how to behave and it could work as almost like a quasi history lesson about what the world was like back then Does it make you a little homesick? It's embarrassing. It's a cross Generalization. Oh, wow. My mc was describing itself. Hey, why'd they include boulder? I wasn't even heard of him Sure they have boulder to break. I find that I find that incredibly cringe for him to say nobody's even heard of him Like we we mean because the mc didn't remember him Okay, fun fun fun. Uh, they're all the same height because they're pillars It would be really weird if one of them was couldn't it was weak. It was just shorter than the others. That'd be strange This look Temporal that could be a coincidence. Temporal marvels There is no why are we trying to find rinse like I like how their investigation was just oh look a sign that Advertises where we need to go. Well, this is temporal That's vaguely connected to what we do.  Why would why would she need to stand that?   We saw uh, we saw miss minutes and Kang's little Yeah, I was gonna say I thought she was oh, yeah, you're right. I thought she was Kang's little creature I think what we're meant.  She weighs a hologram Oh god. Oh my god two points. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna give him three for that Wait, that's the loom That one Guys, we have to face into the story Guys Oh god, it's Kang Like we're we're just like entertaining the idea that anything temporal related could be done by someone in the 18th like age Time is everything I don't get the delivery here. It shakes our Lives It's just Have you ever gotten his deliveries like who knows what we're in for remember? He's a professional clown. He's is evoking things You're not even ready for we can shape Is this the the atman scene? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. This is the atman scene It's him You can you can act like he's as scary as you want. I'll never buy it.  We're yeah in the post-quantumania world, especially Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this the first time like a credit scene is just one to one in an episode? No, no We've had that before if you remember the conversation cap falcon and bucky have in civil war is the after credit scene of I want to say ant man. This is one of the variants that he remains warn me about it's coming. It's beginning Well, why can't all of the kings just go back in the time Place in it like none of this means anything. Why can't they all just do anything always? In the past they just go back to the past and do all the things Why is this one important when the energy of the past present and future flows? All Around us. Wow electricity. We're not savages. Yeah, but he's so much about time travel my Temporal loom the temporal worm. I'm talking about the voice. Wait. Is this legit supposed to be like the prototype loom? I think that's what it is kill me man. They lying stop it. I don't even like season one Evoke that clown do it my device can light the whole of Whoa, so you can light a few bulbs big deal. I like this guy make him the main character now. I Do not Walk too light. What's he gonna say? I want to light the world. I want to watch the universe Maybe we're at world or the universe will seems to make more sense with this time, right? I am Too light. They're gonna be oh, here we go. The world of the world the entire Planet. Well, that's pretty low in terms of model standards Yeah, I feel like the world would be better because it not only applies to the planet But you couldn't you couldn't extrapolate further which does apply to what his future is, but oh well Again this kind of tech. I mean Why are they clapping don't pretend like all of them understood what just happened Yes, and his aura is the only thing that can get us access to the loom So they're grabbing. Oh, wow. So they gotta get him to the loom his aura What like his soul It's actually sad they can't get to it because then you'd miss minutes is Administrational access or his aura.  Oh, trust this guy. Yeah, look at his muskash It's too it's too sweaty and fat. They always make sweaty fat people wrong So really it has nothing to do with the mustache is what you're saying. No good people can have that mustache Sick, but no one good was ever sweating fat. That's us in movies That's how it works They got a whole room and all these people in the suits and the hats and everything and it's all in service of Nonsense, it's a shame. I mean grab a few of them into a small room hit the camera It's like we're gonna record our own little movie in here.  I'll give you six. That's smaller than five hundred seven No, no, no, we're still no Five hundred step aside horn swagger. I was here first. Whoa.  I believe we have a deal Robber baron chuckles. Oh wow. All right. That's just like that rubber baron Just like that. He sold the temporal loom Clown you stepped on my foot.  He would knock the guy over if he bumped into it Not only well, no He should probably go through him because he should never be using his actual Loki first line of defense So I was illusions one of the things I liked about him and he's just abandoned all that They remembered it in episode one for five seconds Oh, no, was it two when you grabbed brad?  Remember he has magic That was not crazy. I remember you can use magic here because it's not the tv. How about we settled this outside Loki would rip this guy's heart out.  Okay, you just vaporize him. Is he dead or did he teleport him somewhere? I don't remember being able to do that by the way Oh, look, we're like actually losing out vaguely on this now Okay, that's good that he's alive.   I want my money back timely these trousers don't work He's got the wrong trousers You look taller to be it.  Is he a charlatan?  Wow, this is a coincidence.  Oh, no, no, no, I swear to god. It's just delays. It's all delays How did you how did you what how did you do that? And then he got caught so easily Oh Okay, it whatever can swallow another five to ten minutes.  I don't even know Disney's ruining chase scenes. I swear one series at a time.  Not a great time Sorry, we've got a development. We have a development here too. Yeah, he sort of ran away But there was just nothing we could do about it. We're just we're just so untalented, you know We have a here remains variant. We can use this temporal aura. What is the temp? What? That's the thing they need to open the door to the temporal loom because that's how that works Because I'm red, so all right. Look at you. You're really good at getting away. Why is why is Loki like out of breath? Oh, Sylvie! Sylvie, no!  No! You're here. Wait, just wait for a second. You've done enough.   Sylvie's here. We're gonna fight for sure. Loki teleport her out.  No, we forgot about that already. It's so annoying when they just show you a power then want you to forget seconds later Just don't show it to us then. You could have done anything else. We need Without his help the TVA will be destroyed which is Bad I feel like he's been saying this to her since the end of the last year. Yeah, does he mean he means the whole universe will be destroyed, right? Wait, what was she turned around for there? If the loom fails and the TVA is destroyed They wouldn't be alive to go back to. But it opened with that Loki and we can't fix it Without him. I don't know. I feel like Also, she failed that real bad considering that was an ambush Is it just because of his aura did could you give any really like smart person in the 1880s? No, it's gotta be a Kang. Oh Is it just because of the aura? Yeah, that's what they said presence. It's just his presence. Nothing nothing else And because he's the first the starting one He's the same one that they killed already or something.  Do you think i'm gonna get any joy out of killing that man? Maybe i'm sorry. Didn't he just explain everything will unravel. What was her response to that? She doesn't respond. She just wants to kill him. There's a difference between fixing it and saving it or something There is no response other than oh, okay So what are we doing? You are waltzing him straight back into the TVA The TVA needs him are we actually gonna do a thing by the time we hit the end of the season that loki and sylvia the reason the TVA exists God you might have been mistaken and thought loki was a god No, he's just a guy who could do some parlor tricks occasionally Well, except when he's against like the most insignificant enemies and he can do godlike stuff Oh, yeah, then he can do yeah crazy You know it's like being able to lift the building with telekinesis on a low level enemy in a video game Oh god, what's she doing now? Oh no Okay He lifted up a building look at him.   This is your moment? What's happening? What is happening? What is happening the news? How is this not in the news everywhere messes tiriya? Yeah Does anyone else remember in history where they said i remember that giant clock that tried to kill everyone? This is on you. Oh, she's so tired of it. I need I really want to talk to the rioters Be like do you understand you're not gonna let anyone like her if you write her this way This is embarrassing like I barely like loki barely. It's tom hiddleston that's holding it together You'll love this make yourself comfortable. How did how we how how did you escape?  He's a goofy inventor. Isn't he great even though that's a good old days when cocaine was in coke You said that so many times. That's how I measure time pre and post cocaine I'm a fully conscious and sentient artificial intelligence entity and I have a name madame clock Excuse me. Mademoiselle. He's really taking that well. You are absolutely singular. You're pretty singular You sail but together we are plural.  It's like I feel like it'd be the other way around No, no, he'd be stunned. He would be staring at it. Remember how he was saying the technology My time holds me back seeing her he'd be like, oh my god A version of you created an entity called the time variance authority two variants of the same north god murdered him. She just said Two variants of a north god. There's so many questions.  How's this possible?  We don't even know if he did that if he looked like he's on the floor That's suddenly here Loki helped murder your variant, but he was protecting me. He switches sides. It's a well-documented behavior.  I'm not going anywhere until I have my link is brutal It's at my lab across the lake lake. I really want to know what kind of power miss minutes. Oh water Why is she walking places? Didn't she just float? She's got a little platform.  This is just so loony tunes. It was said earlier, but He's a joke. Oh God I guess we can get a fight scene Wow, okay never mind The music too, it's just they just Sad that they killed billions and billions of people lost episode I'm just picturing Loki and Avengers right now stabbing that person and like, you know, enjoy All the key Oh, if only Loki could be better I've been saying bugs bunny like jokingly, but this is like you're This is insane. You're making Loki and Mobius absolutely inept. These two have potential together What does it even mean to be doing this when they have control over the whole timeline? You know what I mean? What does this even mean throughout all of this? We've not had the conversation of you guys are changing the past No, it's not a thing. Can't even touch. Oh, look. She's she's gone incognito again to make sure no one gets surprised by her because this that's That's what that is that works.  His melty sticks are in there. It's no way you build the prune sticks So how do you have the prune? How do you even begin to make the prune sticks? Yeah, I I step how do you even like I theorize a stick with an orange end that when you poke anything with it It'll melt her into a different dimension Well, that's why you're not a genius Moller. I hope I can make that someday also World war one is in like 30 years or whatever, but you know, we're just gonna be I brought it to you You brought it to him the way the postman brings the post All right, are these two fighting with each other? It's because miss minutes is loyal to kang while ren slayer is kind of just Meming around.  We got expression back there. What's that supposed to mean? How much time do we have until the temporal loom explodes or something? What does it even mean for time to occur around the tba's beyond time and space? Oh my god, of course picture a short round in the book I wouldn't have he's so important. You see I would have settled for just the three mains Going on fun adventures chasing a key.  You're good that the good ones got to me first Apparently he invented a thing that helps them with their current loom problem somehow It's a throughput multiplier. It could help you with your Loom That's crazy.  That's my face right now. That's legit my face right now miss minis. Yeah, come on Just like her awkward. Please use that face at some point like that should I go should I leave? Oh, no, she's happy again. Yeah, be horny for kang. What's what's going on? That's the ai horny for kang. Why don't we gonna randomly bump into loki again? Oh All right, she'll do something I don't do partners. Is that what are you gonna do? Oh miss minis betrayed it partnership You had to do it. How did you get her in there without her knowing? She wouldn't sleep on a lifeboat. You would sleep in the the ship Yeah, and there was a picker up and put her in there without her waking up Why why did she leave oars and left oars so she can come right back Although they just be able to catch. Well, I was about to say. Shouldn't she that should be impossible for her to do I should be but I don't know why she didn't bother leaving her oars right now Independent and she's strong which those two put together just because she said the word partnership Or is that it? I think that's what I'm trying to do because he said earlier. I don't do partners I don't do Partners I have my hopes for this partnership. You heard her victor partnership You had to do it I'll trust this magic floating clock.  You you came up with that now. It's it's 1880. I don't believe it I'm so happy to be here I do you think miss minutes is just the mind of rent slayer Oh, maybe rent slayer died and he put her into miss minutes.   What's going on? I thought you lacked revonah more than me Seriously, what is happening if he didn't go with miss minutes, then they would have just carried along as normal She's like in love with kang. This is such a weird way to go with this I was just a simple ai But you knew I could be more for you miss minutes is becoming like a really strange character She was more like procedural in the first season each night. We played chess and talked What is going on? Is someone's freaky like she's like in love with him a loyal friend More than friends like a lover. Yeah, she's like actually in love with him. Why didn't you allow me a real body? What oh my god, what are we doing bad? Are we gonna give her an actor? We're gonna give her an actor person We're doing this if I had a body We could truly lead together. Um, no, you're like a magic incorporeal spirit, but you could walk around What's funny is that he she should be smart enough to know that he can't do anything without this He's yeah, he's old kang. What are you able to do?  I don't um, what did marvel mean by this?  Why wouldn't she be?  How could you possibly possibly do this? What could be in that orange thing? Where's it gonna send you? I was entrusted with this mission by he who remains not his variant.   He can just punch you in the face Where did it go? What happened to the whatever? It's gone to the spooky dimension for the fart cloud You could just use a gun. That's true. A gun would be better It actually it's better because this is all or nothing.  I mean, is this the free will that you were looking for? Loki use your magic. Yeah, it should be easy going Use your literally anything You really are unbelievable. I don't care about that dynamic.  I thought boby's work for here. I thought she was in charge Making the hard decisions. You never have the nerve to make. Oh, she makes the hard decisions I put the tv a above myself. You're not doing a good job making me like ren slayer either show No, they just suck. They can't write characters anymore. It's not fair. We've all lost our way Loki i'm begging you man.   He's he sat down.  Just move away from here He's good next to it like he's sitting next to it. I'll run her come on He can grab it and punch her in the mouth. I'm the only one who can bring stability to the tv a because that's what I've been doing Thankfully, they seem to make me so much more sense if she did have a regular gun.  I really couldn't kill us. Look. Loki's two days to do anything. Oh, did that like stun you? Are you stunned? You just can't act? You don't know Me you don't know The heart what's loki doing a thing? What's doing? They're all on pause. Oh, I guess rent slayer's just knocked out. He's on pause too. Mm-hmm Everybody he needs to do is monologue. No, you can't. Loki pretends like he can't do anything about this Just push her with your loki power. So just teleport someone in some place You teleported someone earlier this episode Any day now show reconsider off. She can't do it. She's like Sarah connor If you gotta get prude or something wow, what is it?     Sylvie.  Wait, what do you mean? What's she gonna do? Wait? Do we not care?    Okay. Bye. No. Mobius cares. I can't believe nobody cares what she's gonna do with rent slayer Here we are.  I suppose I've been a box. You've been wanting to take for a long time Ow, I mean, yeah, that's Sylvie.  I can't believe nobody cared about what she was getting She might just torture her for infinity.  Stop? Be careful what you wish for Oh, no, I went someplace. You booped her into the spooky far cloud? Can you bring her here? This is a place you could bring her with your device. Wait, this place still exists? Well, I don't know what she hopes to achieve by doing this. Well, because what's gonna happen is rent slayer is gonna benefit from this ultimately Yeah, of course she is.  She'll say I dealt with her or something. That's why they had everybody leave. They needed that to happen So at any point in time, they could come here with the tv a travel device How long has he been dead that he looks like this? What does it mean at the end of time? Oh No, it was foolish of him to make an enemy out of someone who knows all his secrets Oh, so they're gonna work together then doesn't even make sense to make an enemy out of you That wasn't Kang. That was one guy. That was another guy Whatever I'm glad that's done Oh my god, I'm kind of just abandoned following that the plot and the stakes are I just assume it's all flimped Oh, yeah, it's definitely a moment to moment reaction now instead of Accepting it as part of a bigger thing even accepting it as a season two to season one There's no like through line to like really pay attention to here It's just whatever revelations pop up. She's got to work with them as they come I'm amazed that people are like, man Episode one was so good, but two and three. It's like it's all the same sludge all of it What was good about episode one just well someone explain We like the way it looked and we like the performances But again, like that's pretty much the same throughout all three But I feel like the people who would compliment episode one wouldn't even make those references that me made They're talking about a completely different other thing.  It was it's probably just a matter of they feel good from being back But now they're bored already. It's good to be back But then like wait a minute. I still need a story and you really realize slowly. Okay. What are we doing here? I feel like they just have so much faith in this show They think it's all going to come together and you slowly realize it's nonsense and they always realize it too late I think it hinges on episode one when you're right at the beginning There's a lot of potential and there's a lot of things that you might be thinking about especially if you're buying into it You know the characters and the stakes that you can sort of imagine all of these cool ways that it could go And then you know as each episode comes out the door starts to close on those possibilities And then by the time you reach the end and you look back on the whole thing It's just like man it really wasn't and then and then and then and then kind of story It's super and then shocking and then this happens and that happens and now they're here and they're talking about a thing And now we're on a steamboat and now there's mannequins and now she's that thing in the clock The most and then shit for me was Mobius and Loki it's like and then they caught up with him And then they didn't and then they did and then they didn't and then they did And then uh rent slayer showed up and then Loki and uh Mobius showed up and then Sylvie showed up I actually think the most mildly interesting thing was me wondering if the the councilman with the trousers I thought he was david mitchell. I thought it was a cameo by david mitchell I don't think it is but he looks really close to him. That would have been fun.  I'm guessing he's still coming Well, I remember someone saying that he'd filmed scenes for this. Oh, okay. Well. Yeah, nobody's ever really gone I'll take him over any Sylvie or rent slayer. Sylvie is terrible right now Terrible. Well, when was she ever good?   Like don't disappoint me now? What and the Mobius and Loki just leave like Loki was like, I think this was my most frustrating episode for Loki He just felt like a passenger more than ever in this episode in particular I will take him pretending to be the old Loki while he's talking to fuckface brad more than this shit I don't recognize any of the old Loki in this guy at all hypern ift Well What else is there to say? I don't I don't know I've got no real expectation on what'll happen in five and oh, sorry four and five six I'm just like this is gonna be something that'll happen. It's supposed to be relevant Some big revelations that terrible terrible zone of anything could happen at any time for any reason Rules might as well not exist. I don't think it's even worthwhile to speculate on what could happen Oh, no, we'll do that at the end to see episode five. We'll speculate on six. Yeah, that'll be the most interesting thing We could do on memes because there was no basis for any speculation if anything could happen It could just go in any direction Thanos could be in the next episode. We could have Jensen from Iron Man one We could have like anybody This is like confirming the pattern you get the first episode where there's a tiny bit of potential something there And then it just all falls apart by the end. It's an embarrassment Okay, bye. Yeah Goodbye. Bye everyone. See you later. We'll see you In our adventure through time and space Whoa How about we settle this outside? Excellent suggestion. I agree Don't cry for me. I'm already dead. 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Three, welcome back to SuperCloud, our fourth SuperCloud and with me is my colleague and friend, Stu Miniman, Senior Director of Market Insights with Red Hat. And of course, former superstar on theCUBE. Still good to see you again. How are you doing? Hey, great to be here. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, you're welcome. So SuperCloud is happening in Palo Alto on October 24th. Of course, this is a prerecord. We're going to drop this into the stream. As you know, it's a live event and that people come into the studio all of friends of theCUBE, local Palo Alto people and we get the ecosystem speaking. So let's speak. So the theme here is AI and transformation of industries.  What are you seeing out there? Is it still largely monocloud with a little bit of peripheral stuff by whatever, M&A or happenstance? Or is there really a multi-cloud trend happening? Yeah, so, you know, Dave, I have an aversion to term sometime just because, you know, I've got the scars from all the battles of nobody like the term cloud. And when you talk like hybrid cloud or multi-cloud, what does that really mean? Big data. You know, when I talk to you, Dave, like I talked to a lot of customers. What's the reality today? Change is constant. They have stuff in their data center. They have stuff in Colos. They're using more than one public cloud and of course AI is making things even more distributed because the edge is even more important. So applications are definitely distributed and when it comes to the use of cloud, there's this interesting dynamic that you need to have. On the one hand, the reason I go to a specific public cloud isn't to get the cheapest compute at volume. It's, they've got hundreds of cool services that I want to take advantage of but the more you take advantage of proprietary services, the more you are, you know, stuck on what they're doing. So I want to take advantage of things but I also want to have the flexibility to be able to use, you know, a year ago if I was making a plan to, oh, I wasn't thinking about open AI and where Microsoft is and Google and Amazon are constantly building new things. So most customers have multiple clouds. They're still figuring out how much do I use those services and make them specific to an environment versus like what we've been working on Red Hat, you know, since the early days is, you know, first we put Linux in all the clouds and then we put, you know, OpenShift, our Kubernetes in all the clouds in the data center and out at the edge to give you that consistent experience everywhere. So it's a balance because containers actually allow you to take advantage of a lot of those underlying capabilities as opposed to like the generation before of PaaS was I can sit on top of environments but I kind of got least common denominator if I was using those other services. So you want best of breed, okay, but the developer wants to the extent possible consistent experience he or she, you know, doesn't want to have to have a different experience to secure the cloud or deploy in the cloud. Of course, that's often the case. So what about compliance? These are all or single sign on identity and so forth. Those are all sort of different, but AI, you know, the AI heard around the world as I say sometimes created a real rush to best of breed, which has really been open AI and Microsoft. Yeah, and Dave, I'm glad you brought up that developer experience. You know, what we hear from the developer community so much is developers have cognitive overload and how can I get somebody ramped up faster to do what they need? And we used to talk, you know, our friend Brian Graceley used to say, you know, if I have somebody, a developer working on one cloud that they've worked on for years, if that's what they're doing in an office, then you say, hey, I need you to go work on this other environment. It might be easier to switch jobs and you know, keep on my stack than it is to go there. Open shift that we offer helps with that environment, but another big trend that's been happening is that whole platform engineering discussion where I wanna be able to build the golden path for my developers, help make sure they have access to all of the pieces of tooling that they want and that should be able to live in multiple clouds in multiple environments. Explain platform engineering and where it evolved from and what problem does it solve? Explain that for me. Yeah, great question. So, you know, a lot of times we look at this and we say platform engineering sounds a lot like DevOps and we'd had more than a decade of DevOps where a lot of that was the philosophy of how we build things. So I go from waterfall to agile to, you know, bringing Dev and Ops together. The reality for most customers is you still have somebody needs to have the operations of an environment and somebody does the developer. Amazon themselves actually has the person that builds it, runs it, but you know, Amazon is a special environment. For most companies, you wanna simplify operations. So that is where the platform engineering, I treat the platform like a product, like many companies actually have a product manager running that that says, here's what I define, here's the interfaces that you have, we can give you T-shirts sizes of how to do things and therefore when you come in with a project, I have, you know, a portal that I can go into in the cloud native space. There's a very popular project called Backstage which came out of Spotify that helps in that environment. We've been working in that space, Red Hat, for about a year now to help simplify that and allow companies to take access to it. So again, it's really making simpler that platform piece and developers will then be consumers of that environment. So it's a little overlap with what I used to do with DevOps, it sounds a little bit to something like SRE but SRE usually is running a service. So they don't just have the platform but they're running the applications themselves. So that's kind of the, hopefully a simple explanation to help with the whole platform discussion. Thank you for that. And I want to bring it back to AI, it's kind of the theme here. And I don't know if you saw, we published the Cube Power Law. So the Cube Power Law, it sort of take a page out of the old music business where you've got very few music labels basically own the market and then there's this long tail and we're saying, oh yeah, there's similar dynamic here but the difference is on the chart and we've shown the chart a number of times this week. So but for Stu's benefit, we're saying open source is pulling that torso up. And the other thing we're saying is you've got the big monster open AIs, Amazon, Vertex AI from Google, et cetera, are the consumer giants, maybe not so much as Amazon, but big, big LLLM. So it's the size of the model on the vertical axis and the model specificity on the horizontal axis and you got this big long tail. Kind of makes sense, right? But so my question is, when you talk to customers, are they talking about actually, I mean, most of the actions in the cloud today, but are they talking about doing stuff on-prem because they're concerned about, well, that's where the data is and that's where I'm worried about IP leakage. Of course, the edge, very clearly AI inference is going to happen at the edge. What are you hearing from customers just in terms of how they're deploying AI and where they're thinking about it? Yeah, so Dave, I talked to customers in a lot of industries, but when I talked to my FSI customers, the financials, the banks, the insurance companies, absolutely they're concerned about their data and they are the ones that, are they using public cloud? Yes, but they'll say, let me take an open AI and let me train it on my data in my firewall and under my control so that everything that I'm doing is there. I'm sure you've seen it, like every enterprise has put out the, don't put your proprietary data into chat GPT, some people have ignored that. Things like that because you want to be really careful there. So absolutely, yes, we see that they are going to want it under their governance, under their guardrails for that kind of environment so that they can do what they want. So one of the big themes again of SuperCloud 4 is this sort of industry transformation, the impact of AI. So you mentioned financial services. I feel like financial services, they're pretty astute technically, right? So they're going to, and they've got a lot of data.  So maybe financial services gets disrupted more by increased interest rates than it does by tech. But are you seeing, it seems to me like manufacturing with all the geopolitical tensions that's going on with the US and China and move toward India or on-shoring, move toward when you know, autonomous, the manufacturing, I mean the automobile industry, you know, you've tracked Tesla for a while as have we, you're seeing how that's sort of disrupting automotive, you know, although all the manufacturers are sort of leaning that way. What are you seeing in terms of industry transformation, industry disruption, any patterns that emerge when you talk to customers? Yeah, and it's interesting, when you think about data, remember a number of years ago Dave, it felt like we talked about GDPR constantly. These days, every time I talk to Europe, it's sovereignty.  I'm curious how will sovereignty be pushing against the trend of AI? Will that shift what's happening there? Because yeah, like AI absolutely is, you know, mega trend should disrupt a number of industries and every company is trying to figure out exactly how they take advantage of it. It's interesting if you saw from Red Hat, you know, one of the first pieces we have, our Ansible Automation team has, you know, how do we build Ansible playbooks easily just typing in with, you know, natural language and it spits out and underneath that is the LLM, which our friends at IBM are doing and underneath that actually is OpenShift. So OpenShift is the infrastructure for that. So when I think about SuperCloud, when I think about, you know, large language models, you know, we're an underpinning layer for that just because the platform that we've built, containers, Kubernetes, scalability, automation can actually live in a lot of these environments and AI has been a great workload for us and this should be a great tailwind for us. And in the data, the spending data from ETR, I still see a lot of OpenStack and that's about sovereign cloud, right?  Funny, they don't use Amazon, but... Yeah, Dave, I've talked to Walmart, you and I did a CubeGig once and like they used to have two main environments, OpenStack and GlobalZOS. So they're using their mainframes there and they do a lot of containers, you know, lots of Linux in that environment. So yeah, Walmart's always an interesting one. And of course, they don't use Amazon because the retail competition. You can't blame them. And then talk about disruption. And then we have another guest on this week from SEMA AI, they basically do a system on chip, ML system on chip, all about the edge. So they're doing, you know, autonomous, they're doing robots, very low power, extremely, you know, strong performance per watt metrics.  So that whole edge story is really, I think, kind of exploded. I mean, it's the semiconductor content on edge today, these sort of, you know, edge-like applications is like $40 billion. I mean, it's enormous and you have vehicles and so forth. And it's supposedly going to increase by four to five X by the end of the decade. So that's going to trickle in. I really feel like that's where the blind spot is going to be in the enterprise. You know, it's going to disrupt the traditional computing environment. Not that that's going to go away. We don't think it's going to go away, but the general purpose computing environment is going to shrink as a percentage of the total. And you're going to see accelerated computing as Jensen likes to call it, or intelligent computing. It's going to be everywhere. Do you agree with that? Do you hear that from customers? Yeah, it's interesting. So we talk specifically about, you know, AI for financial services, but financial services aren't the ones that are usually pushing out to the edge.  Healthcare actually has a lot of interesting use cases. Retail. And AI inferencing is something we've seen when we took, we've got an open source project called MicroShift that we're taking, you know, how do we get even smaller than Kubernetes? And we've got a big partnership with ABB, who's a robotics company, and Lockheed Martin, who does their drones for AI inferencing when they're in flight. MicroShift it's called? Yeah, MicroShift is the open source project we've had for a number of years. It's been productized with Relfor Edge in something we call Red Hat Device Edge. Very cool. Yeah, so that's a lot going on there in the world of hybrid. So you're in cloud native, public cloud, obviously you're on prem, you're pushing out to the edge. And is it a pipe dream that you can have a consistent experience across all of those? No, no, it's a big thing because what's interesting is like, look, we partner really closely with the public cloud providers. If you look at what they've been doing from a hybrid environment, how do they take really their footprint and push it closer and closer? So take AWS, you know, they created wavelengths and local zones and then outposts. We can live right on EC2 and AWS and we can actually put our software on all of those other flavors too. So from our standpoint, that same consistent environment, yeah, we can live in the data center and the public cloud and the edge. And when you talk about what the public cloud providers are doing from hybrid, when they put more hardware footprints, the software can just go along with it most of the time. But isn't that the same, isn't that all Amazon stack? It just described hardware. But just as I said, we just live on EC2 in the public cloud. So yes, it's their hardware, but we're just another piece of software on top of that stack that they offer in the public cloud. We're just another native service and we can fit in those other environments too. You remember the work we did with true private cloud. And the whole concept was to substantially sort of recreate or create the experience of the public cloud on-prem. And it's kind of taken a decade to really get there. We were talking about it in 2010 the M world you remember. Are we there yet? So a lot of the things, what's interesting is I talk about our managed service that we have with AWS. Big discussion point recently has been about, right, what about the data center? So HPE GreenLake has been making progress for the last few years. Dell with their Apex program, we announced at Red Hat Summit earlier this year, a partnership there. I almost call it, it's like the cloud native next generation of VxRail, which has been a real winner in the data center. So if we can take that cloud native stack in that kind of footprint, that's a huge opportunity. So it's going to be interesting to see how the cloud guys respond to that. All the cloud guys have an edge strategy, right? And of course they all have AI strategies. But we do see this sort of quasi balance equilibrium happening between, people are being sort of more circumspect about where they actually do work. Sort of it was a rush to the cloud during pandemic. And I was like, okay, let's kind of think about where the best economics are, where the lowest latency is, and physics still matter. And of course, again, I think the edge blows this whole thing sky high and it's a real curveball. Last thoughts too. I mean, super cloud units still not bought in to the term, but conceptually, I can really go in, right? If I zoom out a bit and think about what we have been doing for like the last 20 years, it's really about distributed architectures. I remember talking to Martin Casado, when he was with NYSERA pre VMware acquisition, that was the discussion that we were having. Cloud, while you think about the centralization when we had that pendulum swift swing of everybody going to the public cloud, really cloud is very distributed today. And customers, we know one of the laws of IT is nothing ever dies. So they have so many different pieces. We really try to be able to give that consistency for security teams, for the operations, and developers are so important these days across all of these environments. It absolutely edges a critical place that we're trying to make sure that that consistency is there, but it has to have automation built in and it has to, I'm not gonna have the resources, I'm probably not gonna have the network connectivity. Unfortunately, the laws of physics and some of the other, I remember what was Pat Gelsinger's three laws of that we had. It's even more so out at the edge because I've limited resources and probably no personnel. And if I do a personnel going out there, they're probably going to be low skill level. So we have to have things that just are out of the box, hardened and easily installed and easily managed because otherwise when we get to fleets of devices or highly distributed, we can't take advantage. No truck rolls as automated as possible and low maintenance. Stu, thanks so much for supporting SuperCloud 4. Great to have you, great to see you in studio. Thanks so much, Dave. You're welcome, all right. And keep it right there for more actions from SuperCloud 4 live from our Palo Alto studio, myself, Rob Streche, John Furrier, right back right after this short break.