But as of the end of November, RIM had published a blog post saying that they were expecting to leave, so we'll see how that goes. Back in East Asia, Korea has implemented a thing to protect children called Smart Sheriff, and that's one of the implementations, but it comes out of a policy to add additional filtering. It's required on mobile devices need to have this child protection thing. And there was a report this fall after the implementation in the spring saying that it actually opens up a bunch of security issues and a bunch of surveillance issues on the devices that it's on. So there's sort of an ongoing conversation about how to do this and what the right level of safety versus the other type of safety is. Not to be outdone, North Korea has added a squid proxy. Cool. So from the European segment size, I would like to mention a new so-called, as I used to say, censorship tent, also known as a gambling censorship. Apparently, the governments have decided that they need to better regulate the gambling and betting resource on the Internet, and they have an easy race of pushing more and more regulation and policies to block filter and somehow reduce access to these resources. Unfortunately, there are many mistaken blocking, various cases of overblocking, as far as collateral damage cases like inconsistent DNS mail exchange records or actually TLS time out on websites that host on the same IP. It's quite common in the web space environment where actually we said hosting you share the same IP with the rest of the other website. What I would like to mention here, it's a report from an organization in Switzerland for the European Commission. It's like more than 1,500 pages, and it's from 2,000 speaks. What is happening actually here, it's like a table that mentions the countries from left to right, like from left are the stricter countries with policies and gambling and betting regulation to the right, which they have less and less regulation. This has changed already, so for instance, UK on the far right side, it actually does some extreme blocking, which I'm going to be mentioned later in our slides. I would like actually to give to point out, it's a case that we did some work later before this summer was the case of Greece, we did some extensive study on quite many ISPs, actually we cover most of ISPs, and we, sorry for that, so what's actually happening in Greece is that the ISPs somehow they have started blocking at will, so they just decided that they need to do this regulation, okay, so they were forced from the gaming commission to do this, but as you can see in this table, actually in this figure, covering like most Greek ISPs, they have inconsistency in blocking, so the red represents the side that has been blocked, actually the far right column, it's like the total side on this snapshot of the blacklist that has been blocked, and the green was the resources, the entities that hasn't been blocked yet. I can't cover the whole research about Greece, but I'm going to give some examples of what have happened after this and what was happening during this, so mostly they have done like DNS blocking, some companies decided to just don't administer this well and they have issued like HTTP 403 errors and in some cases like Vodafone they have done some DPI, so what the users were used to experience actually was that this blocking page, this is quite important if you consider that Greece was considered to have quite liberal views on the internet, you know, like you can still have, can download some torrents and you can, I mean, there was some IP blocking or there were some definitions, but in other words, it was not such extensive filtering, so most of the ISPs were making like this one that you see right now, where the users were being landed, what is actually happening now, it's that the ISPs are redirecting them to the gaming commission website, reminder of the gaming commission, it's actually the commission that issuing the blacklist, forcing the blacklist and making laws, one of them is to punish or like consider a crime to even access these forbidden web resources, so the users are actually experience such a block page right now with this generic image from custom new data center pointing that everything is fine. What is quite interesting to mention and it hasn't been mentioned yet, and I think it makes sense to mentioning at some point, and we will show this right now, is that since the Greek ISPs implemented this filtering infrastructure, they have started actually using the same infrastructure to block different resources, of so-called illegal content, as you can see there is encoded domain name, it's in Greek, so for those of you that can read HTTP, it's quite simple, the body, it's null, there's nothing there and it's returning the HTTP status 403, no block page, no nothing, so and this has been done by Vodafone, this specific segment has been done by Vodafone, in June 2015 they have used the blue quote web proxy for utilizing a DPI. Moving on, another interesting case, United Kingdom, we could actually have two presentations for United Kingdom, but yeah, that's that, we have only one and we could not mention so many things that happened the last years, but something quite important that happened in 2015, or and was increased in 2017, is that the government has started pressuring a lot for promoting filters to ISPs, but in the difference with UK is that they didn't, they don't really have a gaming commission or they don't have like a commission that mentions what should be blocked and you know, makes a blacklist and whatever, so it's ISP decide on what is right that needs to be blocked filter and censor, so you can actually find out what happened, like you know, like dentist website have been blocked, some bars have been blocked or some website that used to do form like the keyword sex have been blocked, so a lot of false positives. What is quite important to mention is the blocked project from Open Rights Group, they have done some impressive work monitoring all this, like all ISPs or most ISPs in UK, they have used the Alexa top 100K and these results like are from their yesterday snapshot, so they have actually found out that there are around 20, from this 100K, there are around 20, 21,000 websites being, resources being blocked by strict filters and around 11,000 websites blocked by default filters. Let me get clear what is default filter, so when you buy a new, when you are becoming a subscriber or you buy a new cellular number in UK, you are coming with this default filter, so you actually need to opt out, you need to say, hey, you know, I want to watch porn, I want to have like an uncensored internet connection and this is like the latest, the yesterday's snapshots on their page, you can actually click on the slides, which we are going to publish online. There are actually having per provider, their presented of sites that have been blocked and some discrepancies. So I would like to move to a different segment right now, this is Middle East, and continue with Saudi Arabia. This is an expert from an UNI report from an HTTP request test, I will explain more later. What is happening actually here in the case of Saudi Arabia is that they have actually blocked Arab times, this happened like this 2015, and they have just brought like a random, just a sort, this page is blocked with an indication of this resource has been blocked by wire filter.  Continuing with Iraq, does anyone know what happened on the, normally happens end of July or specifically on 27th of July 2015? Okay, so during this time, normally there are the school, the student class exams in Iraq, and what happened actually between 2 to 5, like 7 to 10, locally run time, is that as you will see from this BGP data flow, is that Iraq decided to actually stop a bit the internet, you know, for the students to have worry free exams without teaching, and then we, we moved on with our exams. Another interesting report that we found by scaping the UNI report was the HDP in valid request language, so that there were some instances of squid proxy, a web proxy that has been used from, as they mentioned here, from this file, or from VADS, like, I don't know what to do. Moving on with Iran, and specifically a very small segment of what happened in Iran, as I mentioned that it's a very short presentation, we need to cover a lot of things. So Iran decided to, actually, they have been blocking telegram and so many other things, but what's interesting in this case is that on the October 20th, they were, the users were starting wondering social media sites like, hey, what's happening, is it blocked or not? And then they said, no, actually, it wasn't blocked, there were some disturbances that technical issues that helped us to, that didn't help, and we had somehow this, brought this site offline, this telegram offline. And now I'm giving the question to the audience, what's happening in the world? So, yes, in the West, one of the main things that's happened is trying to understand how to deal with this rise of dash or isole, or whatever we're going to call it at the moment. And there's sort of this recognition in politics that, you know, suddenly there's bad stuff on the Internet again. And we need to think about this, we think it's, you know, from one side, this is sort of a thing that's sort of generally in the political mindset right now of, well, you know, it's not censorship if Twitter, you know, solves this problem and maybe we should talk to Bill Gates and he'll close the Internet for us. And there sort of seems to actually be this response from Silicon Valley and these big companies to try and police their content more. And we've seen also that as the Twitter agreement with the EU sort of fell apart over the summer that, again, all of these content providers are taking a closer look at management of their networks and their user generated content. And so you're seeing things like Twitter is suspending the ISIS affiliated accounts and similar things on like Facebook or whatever, right? And so this is actually showing this big hole that we've got which is many of these companies have transparency reports. We can see when the government is asking for subscriber information and we can see when they ask for explicit content to be removed. And we can see when other companies make copyright notices.  And so we don't have great insight. And so taking this full circle, we actually do have these technologies. We use them for sites like Weibo, the Chinese equivalent to Twitter, where this open source project called Freebo, Weibo monitors the Chinese social network, finds popular content that then is subsequently removed and reposts it for posterity. And so this is open source. I'd recommend that someone do this for some of the Western media as well, so that we can see what's happening. And I guess it's worth also pointing out that a lot of this stuff is happening on non-todally public websites, right? As we get into Facebook and WhatsApp groups and Telegram and all of these content providers that are having to wrestle with this, a lot of this content is not public. It's within small groups. And so it's going to be very hard for us to understand what sort of management policies are happening and what's going on. So that's sort of our whirlwind tour of sort of things that we thought were worth mentioning. There's tons more. And what we want to talk about in the sort of the second half of this is how do we know that? What are the projects and tools that we've got that help us see when there are disturbances and what perspectives we can get? So we mentioned that the initial map, and that comes from this group called Freedom House, and they publish a report each year called Freedom on the Net. And what that looks like is they write up a long sort of narrative for each country, and then they have analysts code free, somewhat free, not free against that. And so they do this, and there's another group called OpenNet Initiative that also does this. And so you get maybe a few categories, like how free is it on the political spectrum, how free is it on, you know, access to circumvention tools. But what you don't get is you don't get the data backing that. You don't get the list of specific sites. You don't get when things were blocked. Because all of that is potentially harmful, right? If I publish all of the data that I'm using to make my analysis, whoever is managing that network can potentially go back and figure out who it was who ran those measurements and potentially say, hey, knock it off. So this is something that's been sort of struggled with for a while now by the measurement community, and we're making progress. And so we're going to start with sort of the big player in the room. So yeah, how we measure interference then? Uni. Disclosure. I'm an Uni developer. Also known as Open Observatory of Network Interference. It's been around for some years. It has some peer-reviewed proof of concept. It has been used to analyze in general, like most of the things that I saw during my presentation. It's free software. You could help by adding specific test models. Long story short, I can point you to somehow how this looks like with Open Observatory. It's a measurement platform that has a backend, has parts of clients that are submitting the reports. A new sign-in pipeline, it's being developed. There is an API that is going to be online soon and give users the ability to do it in a different way. And the part that is going to manage and do all this stuff, like storing the reports. Because actually what is happening with Uni is that it stores the reports publicly. So it allows all people researchers or interesting users to search and somehow start exploring through the reports, to the only report. A much simpler approach of a test, of a test mentioned in the Saudi Arabia case is the HTTP request test. I can't, I don't have the time to go into detail on to that, but I will give you only a short idea of how this works. Actually, it just sends to HTTP gateway request to the resource that we like to probe. One comes through our connection, which is potentially tampered or filtered sensor or whatever. And the other one comes from another connection, like from Tor. And then there is some kind of diff happening and some other types of customization that are being checked in order to see if our, this resource has been blocked or not. There are many, many more things to say, but you know, please come and find me later if you need more or read on the website and help if you want. Another thing that happened and that has been working the last year was a Raspberry Pi distribution to increase the vintage points of Uni and provide more reports from different segments of the world. And in an easy way. This is Lepidopter. And moving on with ICLab, it's a project that has been developed from the University of... Stony Brook. Stony Brook, yeah. I can't even pronounce the name. So, yeah, they have done a sort of a closed system of containing making network measurements. Another nice example of collecting network measurements, but unfortunately not sensitive or not sensitive-oriented network measurements collection is the RIPATLAS. RIPATLAS has a bunch of notes out there, but it's being found by RIPNCC. And as you know, RIPNCC has some members like Turkey and some other organization that they would not like to be associated or to have any reports that are negative to their presence. Cool. So, yeah, so in addition to these sort of distributed platforms, right? And so this is a few examples of places where you've got probes in networks. We can learn a lot of stuff by looking at specific domains. So there's platforms like Tor that will provide data. So on metrics.tor I can look at how many users are connecting from Bangladesh. And I can verify that report that we showed earlier that there was something weird going on from November to December, because while Facebook was blocked, we see a corresponding spike in the number of Tor users, right? So they are, you know, providing this data. And likewise there's a few other services. So like Google shows how much connections it's getting from different countries and we can say they actually label themselves and say we believe that there was a disturbance in these places at these times, right? And so depending on how that data is shown, you have different levels of ability to, you know, trust it, right? Like I can't actually go in and look and verify that Google is telling me the truth here. I have a better ability to do that from Tor. Beyond this, one of the older projects sort of in this space is crowd sourcing. Herdick Webb came out of Berkman Center a while ago and basically asked users who visit, it shows them a website and says can you or can you not access this site? And they checked yes or no.  Is it something else? Like you don't get the same insight into why something didn't work as you would if you were running test code. But you can learn a lot. And then focusing on specific countries, you've got things like Great Fire, which basically runs its own infrastructure in China specifically, and then keeps monitor, sort of keeps tabs on popular sites that are accessible or not there. Switching over to mobile interference, right? We're entering a world where cell phones are gaining importance and we've sort of found ourselves, you know, having a harder time to understand exactly what it means to interfere there. There's a few projects. These range from, sort of, NETALISER has been around for a while. It's just sort of a connection analysis or diagnostics tool. It lets you see things like, is my mobile network preventing me from opening connections on specific ports? And is there, you know, noticeable filtering or proxies? One of the projects that came out in 2015 is something called AsiaChats. And that was, again, out of CitizenLab. They basically looked into a bunch of the popular chat networks. We chat Kakaotalk line. Looked for built-in censorship lists. So are there words that you can't type over these things? And looked at other management policies that were going on in those specific apps? We're moving from a world where what we care about is the open web and, you know, a domain to what is happening within a specific closed app ecosystem. Sort of the equivalent from uni as we move into mobile is this library and corresponding iPhone and Android app around this project called Measurement Kit, which is trying to reproduce some of these connectivity tests looking at DNS and HTTP that we have run from uni but now in a mobile environment. The other thing that's gaining popularity is trying to think about what we can measure externally. So as we've been sort of, you know, struggling with this question about putting things in networks and what risks we're sort of exposing people to. There was a paper and project that came out sort of at the end of last year beginning of this year called Encore, which brings in the idea of I can embed the favicon, the little image for Twitter or for Facebook in my page and see if it loads for my visitors. And so if all of my visitors from a specific country fail to load the Twitter favicon and so we can, you know, have these visitors who aren't actually cooperating, they're not running a probe or a measurement, but we can still learn things from them. Similar to that, we have side channel work and I can, and this guy used for some of the tour accessibility stuff as well, which is saying even when there's two remote servers that I don't have control of either of them, I can using some packet spoofing and TCP fragmentation leaks learn if they're working with each other or not. And so now without, you know, putting those users aren't like cooperating, they're not running some probing software, but I as a remote observer can potentially learn about connectivity or IP level blocks. We're also still coming to terms with a world where the IPv4 space is small. So you've got Zmap, which is there's a talk on mail security stuff that Zachir will give at 32C3, but they've added something called census just recently, which is sort of looking at what's running in different places. One of the projects that I'm involved with is called satellite, which is looking at open DNS resolvers and what sort of DNS consistency we can learn from a single external vantage point. So we find roughly 8 million open DNS resolvers that are willing to resolve domains for you, and so you ask all of them for popular domains and you see if they're willing to resolve them for popular domains where you get weird responses back. And so now without having anything except for these hopefully infrastructural DNS resolvers, I can understand if there's some sort of country or ISP level policy going on. Cool. Right. So we're going to shortly cover Meet About Governance. What's happened actually is going to be accepted. The HTTP status code 451. That's a status code that is going to be used in case of legal websites that have been filtered, blocked or censored because of legal issues or political incidents. I hope that this will not be passed and this is somehow like acknowledging the problem and saying that's okay, we could censor and block internet, but I would rather protest for a more free internet. What did happen in terms of governance is the forming of a group called Human Rights Protocols Consideration Research Group that is exposing the relation between principles and human rights having a focus on the rights of freedom of expression and freedom of assembly. And now Will is going to... Cool. And I guess the point of this HRPC group is that they're hoping to sort of append policy on further IETF standards to include a section sort of expressing on in terms of the implications to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly with new protocols as they come in. So this is something that we should be thinking about as we start standardizing protocols. What are the implications? Are we doing this in a way that it's going to be supporting these universal human rights? The other major thing in the measurement community space is that Open Tech Fund a branch of the U.S. government under a few layers got a big injection of like 25 million dollars to support circumvention and censorship measurement stuff.  And so there's been this injection of sort of excitement and people working on it as a result. And so it'll be interesting to see how long that continues, but that's really sort of boosted a lot of stuff. But again the community is sort of struggling at the same time with trying to understand what it means that so much of this work is now funded by the U.S. So it's not all roses although I think you've already come to notice that. There's a lot of stuff that the tools that are out there aren't doing a good job of measuring just to give you some examples. In addition to blocking, right, which is a thing that's pretty binary, I can see if I get the wrong result or no result. What happens if I just get the result really slowly? My automatic test is going to have a hard time coming up with those heuristics and we really haven't written these tests that actually are doing a good job with heuristics to understand that this is just throttled and isn't actually going to be usable and differentiate that accessible but really slow from normal. We still are pretty far behind on platform self-censorship, so our ability to understand what sort of management and, you know, removal of content platforms are doing by themselves and unilaterally. Like the Greece example points out, a lot of times policies are not implemented on a country level, which is sort of how we try to think about it and how those maps that we've been showing show it but really our ISPs are specific regions and so we need to tear this data apart and get down to the specific, you know, how is it going to work for these home users in this place? That's not a question that we have a good way to answer right now. And we also don't have a good handle on the social impacts. Do people notice this? What does it mean to be extreme? How often are people hitting block pages? Like is there other stuff that people are choosing not to visit even though it's not explicitly blocked because they feel unsafe on the internet because of the policy? Like these are things that we really haven't even begun to explore. On the academic side, there's been a big conversation about ethics that's continued to sort of emerge in the last year. Part of that is trying to understand when it's okay to make measurements, right?  What happens if it's a country that tells me to knock it off? Do I just not measure their country? So where are these sorts of things, where are these boundaries? For our more traditional things inside of countries what does it mean to get informed consent? Are the users who are running probes or who are taking measurements on these systems understanding what they're getting themselves into? Do we as researchers even know what they're getting into and are we able to tell them those risks in a way that they can give informed consent? There haven't been a huge number of retributions or anyone getting in trouble but we don't know what could happen. We don't know how technically savvy the people who would be getting them in trouble are and if they understand the nuances, we don't understand the nuances. So these conversations are happening.  Weirdly, it's the US Department of Homeland Security that published something called the Menlo Report on Ethical Principles for Communication Technologies in 2012. And what that document says to some extent is that if you can't get informed consent you should be practicing sort of minimizing risk. You shouldn't be doing anything unnecessary in order to get the measurements that you need. So now what is least risk? How do we what measurements do we need? Where are these boundaries? We're still drawing these. There aren't clear lines yet on any of this stuff. But we had the first workshop on ethics in August at the SIGCOM conference. So this is sort of I think at the forefront of a lot of people's minds is what is okay? What is safe? You know, are we doing a good job of both collecting the measurement data that we need to, but also doing it in a good way. So we're going to end by you know, the pitch of what you can do, how you can help. You can measure right? You can collect the data. You can work on the code. A lot of these projects are open source. We'll put these slides on the linked from the talk so that you can click on all of them and find the project that you're most excited about. You can skip the whole measurement thing and work directly on circumvention. Plugable transports are, you know, gaining standardization. There's a nice website, PlugableTransports.info that talks about the spec, which is pretty easy to implement and so you can make your own different way of connecting. And you can have the conversation in your local jurisdiction or on the internet as a whole to advocate for transparency if nothing else so that you can, you know, understand what is blocked and figure out where your community is comfortable having that. So we'll be around to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you. So I assume there'll be some questions. Okay. For questions, please line up. There's one, two, three, four mics here and we'll also take some questions from the internet. First gentleman is lined up. Go ahead and talk, please talk into the microphone so we go to that tape. Thanks. As you're probably aware, more and more countries which we do not usually think as restrictive are now blocking something. It's not only, I suppose it's not only because of the attacks. So I'd like to ask for advice on advocacy. So in my country there's recently been some blogs implemented because of lobbyists trying to stop your other companies if you don't want to go ahead. And I've been trying on behalf of the civil movement to advocate, to not do that and what I get in return as well. We, here's the thing we need to block this. So they are, if I give them something that can minimize collateral damage they're okay. But in my mind that indicates deep packet inspection. So is there a recommended way if we are okay to block this small thing but we don't want to block the whole IP, the whole domain do we go DPI or is there some magic pill? I don't think there's any magic pills unfortunately. I mean so there's a few things. One is whenever you get this sort of thing you need to focus first on transparency because that's something that's much easier to get public opinion, right? There's always going to be a debate about where the line of what is acceptable and unacceptable content is. But I think most people are going to be pretty happy to say that we need to have public record and public knowledge of what is blocked so that we can have the conversation that we can audit that what's being blocked is what we've decided is worth blocking. So the first thing is if there's these regulations or things that are coming without that ability for people to inspect and understand what's happening, that's something that's controversial that you can push for and that's worth having. In terms of should you be blocking full IPs and the collateral damage thing, that's a hard question. It depends a lot. I mean I think we're going to enter and we are moving towards a world with more encryption through let's encrypt and some of these things and so what you could imagine is if you're doing things like just taking SNI or specific domains and trying to block those, that's something that potentially technology is going to surpass in the next three, five years, something like that. We'll enter a world where that sort of block isn't going to be nearly as effective. Hopefully we'll get to a world with encrypted DNS and with, you know, good encryption in some of these newer HDP-like protocols where you can't do these easy DPI fixes. So putting in boxes like that the hope is they become obsolete faster. Whereas doing IP blocks that's something that's harder to rectify that damage. That's my personal opinion. Okay, thank you. Tell me back there at mic number five. Is that a question? Okay, please talk into the mic. Thanks for taking my question. I'm going to ask about the funding that you mentioned. So you mentioned that the American Government funds much if not all or most of the work that you do for the work on censorship research. I'd like you to talk more about that. What do you make of it? How do you think this fits, your work, fits into America's foreign policy objectives and if it does in any way? Sure. So I guess what I'll say is there are other sources of funding too. A bunch of this stuff happens from academics who get funded through grants and through, you know, the university grant process rather than directly through governmental funding. I think it's reasonable to see this as in line with U.S. foreign policy. They would like to have generally that freedom of expression. That's something that, you know, I think that that group at least, the Radio Free Asia Broadcasting Board of Governors is pretty in favor of. And so I think for the projects where their incentives align, it's not like you're not agreeing to do anything, right? What it's potentially doing is it's shifting the work, right? And so what we need to be careful about is that the work that we're doing isn't getting shifted purely to circumvention and away from something like surveillance, which is maybe less exciting or less funded. And so that's the thing where we need to be careful. But I think that, you know, the specific things that they're funding are all great projects that I'm happy to see getting that injection of support. And I think, you know, the call that I would make is that we should have more people also stepping up to fund. I think that's something that, you know, what I've heard from Open Tech Fund is they would also like to see that, right? This isn't something that's sustainable from a single government because you know, the optics don't necessarily look great and also because why should they be able to make those decisions? And so the way that we counter that is not by, you know, refusing to take money but it's by saying, hey, maybe Germany should be giving more money, maybe a bunch of these other countries that care about these same, you know, freedom of expression issues should also be stepping up to help us. What's the mix right now private to government funding off the top of your head? That is like, I have no idea, right?  They're not going to tell you how much money they make but they're pretty big players in the space. OTF, right, they do publish that their grant from the government is 25 million so we've got that but I don't know how big the overall space is. Okay. We are a question from the internet here. Yes, so this is this is a question from Janix and Hamid. What's bad about recognizing censorship with error code 451 and because the page will block nonetheless and it's good to know what happened, right? Okay, so I think that by having a status code of recognized censorship it's like we acknowledge, as I mentioned in the presentation we acknowledge the fact that okay, yeah, censorship is for granted and we should assign a status code. I guess to my opinion instead of just assigning new status code of something that we can't really happen like internet should not be censored so assigning a status code to the HTTP should not happen so if they would like to do it they will do it in a different way but assigning, like changing the status code and assigning and acknowledging the fact that we should have more, you know, like a blocking code, no, I don't think that it's a way to go. I don't have any alternatives on that but, you know, I mean why we need to to have alternatives on blocking the internet? They do it otherwise without status code so why to give the freedom of using also status codes that, oh, okay so these websites that will attend the status code so now we know that, okay, you know these sites are blocked, yeah, they will still block as I mentioned in the presentation sites and the resources, legally and illegally so now they will have also the 451 status of the legal so this is the legal like status code and, you know this will continue, they will continue blocking again, you know, websites illegally. Okay, thank you. Number two, your go. Thank you for the talk. I have a question about talking to you Mike, please. I have a question about the gambling about the gambling about censorship because this seems like the beginning of a general kind of censorship do you have any idea if anywhere in Europe it was possible to get this removed in some way by any legal measures, lawful measures, something like that? Well, actually most of these blocking are quite trivial they are they were doing the DNS blocking so you could just change your name server, your resolver and you could change your address around this issue many of these sites can be seen from other, like they can be seen by a tour or they are just trying to block this locally, they were just trying to do this in a local way they are not doing it well right now, they are just we like to let's say stop doing this from the non-power users let's say so I come from Bulgaria and there they switched from just DNS blocking to IP blocking and they've been doing that pretty thoroughly for the sites they were ordered to block which results in a lot of collateral damage for this and we know that using any kind of VPN just go around and it creates problems and it creates a very bad precedent for everything else because right now it's gambling sites then we have the infrastructure and then it's anything else so are you aware of anyone that is working to stop this on a political level? We should speak to these people we should do stuff like mentioning that hey you are destroying the internet you know you can't just start blocking the internet, you can't just do that and finding your local groups that are caring about internet freedom working with them to find especially instances of collateral damage are a great place for advocacy of look at these sites that for whatever reason are being blocked this isn't a cool thing to be doing we really are overstepping we're losing transparency these are all great arguments Thank you. Okay, thank you. Number six, Yergo. Hi. Thank you very much for an interesting overview. I wondered if you would like to share some thoughts on maybe combining or proposals to combine censorship measurement with censorship circumvention. There have been some proposals recently for tools that could bind the two, and I just wondered what your thoughts were on that. Yeah, so there was a paper that came out about the circumvention tools are a way to understand measurement. Again, you've got exactly the same issues about what are the risks that users are facing, right? And that's now maybe you're having a harder argument about not knowing what's going on, that you know that this is a user who is actively worried about something and trying to get around something, and so are you now comfortable trying those sites that are blocked, which are the ones that are being looked for? And what sort of dangers are you getting your user into? At the same time, there are plenty of tools that are already doing this, right? You've got a set of tools that do fallback stuff, so they first try to make the request locally, and then if it doesn't work, they run it through a proxy. So they're already exposing the user to that risk. You might as well collect that data, right? And so then it's just a measure of what sort of anonymity and protection against that collected data do you get so that if that data gets public because expect data to leak to the people you don't want it to, how does it not get anyone in trouble, right? Because it's easier to just take that whole database of all of the users in the country who tried to visit these bad sites than having to do the network, like measurements of them individually. And unfortunately, they do collect data of these users, and they don't know what to do with this data. Some set of synchronization tools. Thank you. Okay. Another question from the internet, and please talk into your mic. All right, this is a question from Janix. It's a two-parter. So there are a lot of methods for future evasion, SSH tunnels, ICMP, DNS tunnels. That being said, is there any government able to effectively censor or block experienced users who are able to use this, I guess, tunnels? Is it too paranoid to believe that the government might intentionally allow some protocols that they can decode because they want to actually inspect what people are doing? It is not too paranoid to expect that.  If you are looking for your technically competent adversary, you're probably looking to China. We've seen different things from that network. And because of how big it is and the diversity of ISPs, you see different things and you get mixed reports. But there's a sense that at least some of the time you get weirdly like long-term connections that don't look like TLS will get throttled or become flaky and that affects a lot of these tunneling solutions. We still need more work on being able to get reliable things. Maybe you use IP diversity. Maybe you use lots of short-lived connections, UDP. There's a bunch of different things out there to try. There aren't good things that seem that everyone feels are reliable and are hard to for a technically competent adversary to block. Okay. There's somebody waiting on number five. Go ahead. Talking to the mic. Yes. I think it was around six months ago there was a website that was forced to shut down that archived political tweets from politicians. Essentially, the politicians strong-armed them into shutting down. My question is what kind of implementation or capabilities would you suggest to try to prevent that kind of strong-arming from happening again with archiving suppressed tweets and things like that? So depending on what threats you are worried about, we've got a number of technologies that our community knows about. We've got hidden services. If you want to run something where it's IP address and the server is not known. So if you feel like the infrastructure is in danger, there are ways to make that site run in a way that it is anonymous. You can look at the different legal jurisdictions and come with a jurisdiction where you are not going to have the same ability. If it's in a different country, it becomes much harder. And then you can find a set of lawyers. If you believe this is legal, which in a lot of places it is, you just need to find the right representation where you don't give in and show that this actually is an instance of free speech. If I remember correctly, they actually strong-armed Twitter into revoking the developer access of the website in question. So then it's things like free WebO that are crawling and site scraping. You can't expect that the platform is necessarily going to be happy about that. You can potentially raise a stink and get the platforms to reverse those sorts of policies. Or you can try and show the value of the system so that they realize that this is something that is worth having in the same way that we have things like chilling effects, archiving the DMCA take-down requests. It may be worth having this sort of transparency and trying to convince the platforms. But at the same time, you can again make the argument that even without the platform support, there's value in doing this sort of thing. Thank you. Thank you. We have a tight schedule, but the last question we're taking from number four. Is there anybody else? You'll have to come up front for later. Number four, go ahead. Just a short question. You mentioned apps very shortly. There is this debate, especially around Apple, that they have a very special way of thinking about what is a good app and whatnot. Is there anybody out there who measures taking apps and thinks this or don't you consider this a censorship because it's from a company and not from a state? That absolutely seems valuable. I don't know of any projects that are doing a good job that are out there yet doing that. So I'd love to hear about one. And again, there's been reports of the Google Play Store entering China that's going to involve some sort of management of what apps are allowed. And again, keeping track of that stuff is super valuable. Maybe someone could do that because I think it's quite important today. I agree. If you want to do this, please come and find us. Okay. We'll close this talk now because we're tight on schedule. Thank you very much. Let's have a last hand. Thanks.


Hey there, polycasters. I'm Elliot. Welcome back to our series on building an element in Polymer 2. In the last video, we mocked up a simple checklist. Now we want to clean it up and make it look production ready. Luckily, the Polymer team creates a catalog of elements called the paper elements, which are based off of the material design spec. Let's take a look. There's a website called webcomponents.org. And here it has a catalog of all types of web components that people use. For an example, we can look up paper input. All right, so here we have the paper input element. The paper input element has a lot of nice things on it.  Like here, you can change the email to change it over to Gmail. And you see it changes right there. Cool, so I want to use this element. And the way you can use it is by going to this section right here, and you'll see a download feature. If you click on this, it'll copy it to your clipboard. You just go over to your terminal. Let's create a new tab here. Just make sure we're in the right directory. Yes, from the Polycast Checklist directory. And just paste in the command. So this is going to install the paper input element as a dependency. So if you look over here, back in the Bower Components directory, where it installs all of our dependencies, you'll see paper input show up. And then again, in the bower.json, which is the configuration file for Bower, you'll see that our dependency now includes paper input. All right, so now let's go use it. So Polycast Checklist, let's go into the paper input directory. And within there is the paper input dot HTML that you can see right here. And so let's type that right in, paper dash input HTML. And it found it. I also know that we want to replace the button and the check box. And I know for a fact that we also have paper button and paper checkbox. Let's do the same thing for paper checkbox. Copy that. Go to the download over here. Paste it into our terminal. Go back. Find paper button. Copy this right here. Go right over to their terminal, paste it in, and install. All right, so now let's import the other two. We have paper input. Then we have paper checkbox. And then we have paper button. So here we have our checkbox. Let's replace it with the paper checkbox. And we don't need that anymore. And this input, let's replace it with a paper input. And we don't need this anymore. Now let's fix the button to a paper button. Cool. All right, we got that going. Let's go refresh the page, see what we got. Nice, looking a little bit better. It's not really styled up nicely, but we can fix that. And here's a button down here. All right, we'll go back and start doing styling. So here you can just make a style tag within the template. And here we will add a class to this div and call this a task. And in the style, we'll select that task. And then we can add styling to the task. You'll notice here that I just called it task. This isn't something you'd typically do in a normal HTML or in CSS project because task is such a common name. And you can be using it all around. And I don't know about you, but I've always had a lot of issues where my CSS is just coloring everything all over the place and restyling everything. Luckily, Polymer uses web components. Web components have a spec called shadow DOM. And shadow DOM encapsulates your CSS only into that node. So you can call task. And you can call anything else outside of the element, class equals task. And it won't get styled by this rule that we're making right here. All right, so let's actually start styling. So here, we'll make this a flex box, display flex. And we will align the items. So vertically, we'll align them straight across through the center. And this will be the center. And then let's style the paper input onto the same line as the checkbox. Because as you see, they're on different lines. And that doesn't look really nice. So to do that, we can do display inline block. Simple as that. All right, let's give it a quick refresh. Ooh, something's wrong. Oh, I don't need these right here. There you go, it's a bit more centered. But it still looks a bit weird to me. Let's take a look. Let's add a label to this paper input. Label, we'll call this task name and see where that shows up. So there you go. You can see that the task name right here is actually causing the display jank, where the checkbox actually is centered, but it's only centered to the entire thing. So we can remove that by doing no label float. So paper input has a thing where it allows you to remove the label after you start typing. So we'll set that to true, refresh. There you go. And when you backspace, there's task name. Looks really nice. So this is looking very good. We have our repeating elements. And our to-do section looks almost complete, except we can't really add tasks to our task list. But we'll get to that in the next video, where we'll start adding some logic to our element so the checklist actually works.


Yo, yo, what's up guys, this is Chris Pike. My friends call me Big C. I'm back in action today. We're continuing our series where I teach you how to be the best video editor you know for free using free software and free tutorials. Freedom, we got this. This is the Big C show. In this video, I'm going to show you how to increase or decrease the volume of your audio, whether it's gameplay, whether it's you recording yourself on Discord, maybe you've got gameplay footage, maybe you've got some cell phone footage, whatever it is, show you two ways to do it real, real quick. The first way here is I've gone ahead and I've loaded in some footage. This is a Mr. Beast video because, well, yeah, he's pretty loud, that guy. So there we go. We've got him popped up. Now, as you'll see here, we've got a video track and an audio track. For the audio track, here's the first way and the simplest way. You just want to hover over the audio track and you see that white line? All you got to do is when you get the double headed arrow is you can just scroll over it or hover over it and you'll see here that I'm increasing and decreasing the volume. How do I know that? Because you'll see there it says minus 14.67. That means it's minus 14.67 decibels. If the footage you've got is too quiet because maybe you were recording audio and the person was too far away and you didn't have a shotgun microphone, for example, you can just move this line up and as I do that, you'll see that it's gone up 9.33 decibels. So this is the first and the easiest way. The second way is you can just click on the audio track like this. Let's just go ahead and click on it and then we're going to go over here to control. So I've clicked on the audio track and over to controls and you can also manually adjust it here. So here I am reducing it manually or increasing it. Now, here's the second technique I'm going to show you is let's say there's a part of the video that's just way too loud or way too quiet. What you can do is that I'm going to say like this part here, when he's walking outside, this is too quiet compared to the rest of video as an example. Go over here to the left side and select this slicing tool. I'm going to slice it right here on the playhead and then I'm going to say when he's outside, okay, before Rosanna, so to right here, I'm going to slice this part, watch. So I've got the slicing tool selected again and I'm going to cut it.  This piece here is too quiet comparatively, so relative to the rest. So I'm going to go back, I'm going to select the regular selection tool. I'm going to click on the audio and this is too quiet. So here I'm just going to go over again to the controls panel and increase this. So I'm going to increase it a lot and you'll see here that the white line's gone up relative to the other pieces on the outside. So what have I done? I've got regular footage. This was too quiet, so I increased the volume and you'll see here that it's blowing out here. But again, this is just a demonstration and then it goes back to regular. This is how you can adjust the volume of your footage and your clips, including pieces that are too long or too short in just a few seconds for free inside HitFilm Express. Thanks for watching guys. Time for stuff coming up. Stay tuned.


This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network We have got a jam-packed show for today here on covering the spread We've got to talk EPL match week 34th Austin cast We're gonna talk some formula one in Shanghai Nascar and Talladega a lot of ground to cover Let's dive on in and break it all down This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and Fandall research My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a managing editor of digital media for Fandall research Join you to kick things up by Austin cast you can find him on Twitter at Austin cast check out his work Over at Fandall research where he is a senior editor Austin. Happy Thursday to you. How are you doing today? I'm doing great Jim. How are you Jim? Disoriented because typically I talk to you Fridays and today is not Friday and I am very my body is confused about that So if if something goes goes haywire I think we got to blame the schedule here But also like I needed Tom Vecchia tomorrow talks and Santa Monica playoffs and the NBA playoffs So like and I and I didn't want to skip our EPL chat So like I had to do this, but I feel like I'm paying for it now via massive confusion Yeah, if you don't show up for work tomorrow, I'll hit you up and remind you that it's Friday actually so don't Let it go. Just let me drift Let me drift off to the abyss and we'll we'll recoup later on I'm sure the company will be just fine without me for one day As mentioned we're talk to Austin about EPL match week 34 breaking down the matches But also talking a lot of movement towards the top of the table will break down that and whether it is officially over For everyone who is not named man city and of course later on as I mentioned I'll talk through my favorite bet for formula one in Shanghai this weekend And we'll talk through NASCAR and Talladega where I am above consensus on one specific team slash manufacturer the first day reminder to make sure you're subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your Podcast tomorrow as mentioned Tom Vecchia will be with us breaking down Stanley Cup playoffs and the NBA playoffs as well on yesterday's show We had Connor Allen of four for four and Betz Burt's talking through the NFL draft talked about his here at Betz over a Fandall sportsbook during that to find that go to the covering the spread podcast feed hit subscribe If you like what you hear leave us a five star rating on Apple podcast or Spotify You can also find that show today's show tomorrow show on the Fandall YouTube page and over On a fan dual TV plus now Austin will talk about the matches in a second But first a lot of movement towards the top of the table in the EPL because both Arsenal and Liverpool lost You said last week or two weeks ago. It was a good time to buy low on man City, but now they're minus 250 So I'm assuming the buy low window is closed and is this race basically over Yeah, the short answers. Yes, I think it's over I think there's a very realistic chance City wins out the rest of the way on paper Their two toughest matchups are at Brighton and at Tottenham, but I think City's still going to be pretty heavy favorites in both Arsenal and Liverpool really messed up last Sunday losing home matches to teams They should have beaten and they put it back in City's hands And I don't think City are gonna let it go and City actually just went out in the Champions League yesterday So they'll have an FA Cup semi-final and probably final match But they'll be able to really focus on the Premier League now and that's really bad news for Arsenal and Liverpool I think it's over. So you give man City a leg up. You give them more rest. You give them their players at full health That's tough like it was fun while it lasted, but I feel like this thing's Dustin Yeah, I agree. I really really wanted this to be a three-team race to the last couple games And it was just amazing how quickly it swung on Sunday Liverpool lost at home To Crystal Palace, which just still can't believe that happened And then the next match on TV right after that was Arsenal at home against Villa and they lost as well And I can't imagine what man City's players had to be thinking watching that play out Sunday But it was their best day of the season and they didn't get off the couch. So Yeah, I've mentioned this before but my brother-in-law is a Crystal Palace fan and he was a bit nervous for a relegation one point this Year, I think they're they're pretty good now. They're at 33 points. So they should be okay So I was I was pretty okay with that personally with the way things went down there. Okay, seven matches Across Saturday and Sunday Austin. Where are you seeing a value in the traditional markets at Fandall Sportsbook? So I really like the Bournemouth at the Villa match It's Sunday at 830 and I really like Bournemouth and the double chance market to win or draw just minus 105 So as we just kind of talked about Villa had their best win in the season, Alaya Arsenal last Sunday they won 2-0 but through the lens of expected goals, they're a pretty fortunate and Overall, I'd say they played pretty well, especially defensively in this especially in the second half. They played very well But I think this is a prime letdown spot for them And then in addition to that Villa actually haven't been playing that well of late Which sounds weird to say because they just got their biggest win of the season But they haven't won the XG battle according to FB ref's expected goal model and any of their last six league matches Their most recent XG triumph was by 0.1 at Luton Town, which is a side currently in 18th In my eyes, there's a pretty obvious reason for their struggles lately And it said Villa is getting worn down from playing Thursday Europa conference league matches They've had four of those since March 7th the extra matches and big matches at that Take a toll on everyone and Villa simply don't have the squad depth To be able to rotate players in and out and still get the results they want to get And it's not just that it's extra matches. It's the foreign travel to Villa plays in France tonight And so they'll be flying back this evening and then have to turn around and play on Sunday Meanwhile, that's not something Bournemouth have to deal with at all They won't have played since last weekend. In addition to all that Bournemouth have actually been playing pretty well They've been beaten only once across their last seven league matches. It's been a pretty favorable schedule in that stretch But they tied Villa 2-2 earlier this year So this match is super important for Villa's top four hopes Which was another thing that swung a lot on this past weekend with Tottenham losing and Villa winning at Arsenal But every match to the rest of the way is really important for Villa But I think there's enough here between Villa's fixture Congestion their travel and just their overall kind of shoddy form lately lately to push me toward Bournemouth getting at least a point So right now the double chance market Bournemouth to win or draw is minus 105 How much do you think this number is influenced by the big Aston Villa victory over the weekend? A little bit To be honest when I researched it yesterday it was plus 110 Okay, that's pretty excited about it. So I was a little bummed this morning that it wasn't as good of a deal when I was gonna talk about it but You know the markets pretty sharp typically so they must be taking some money on Bournemouth, but Like I was saying it's it's just really hard for a team like Aston Villa to fight on multiple fronts Like they're trying to do right now Newcastle tried to do it this year and really just like couldn't do it So, yeah, I think they're really getting worn down now that you it could flip to where that went against Arsenal Could really propelled in the rest of the way and they they could even go out of the Europa conference league tonight which for their top four hopes probably wouldn't be a bad thing but Yeah, I just think they look like a worn down team that is Needs the end of the season to get here as fast as it can Okay, so Austin does like Bournemouth in this match against Aston Villa minus one of five to win or draw on the double-chance market What are player props any value to you standing out there as of right now Austin? Yeah, so I'm gonna stick with Sunday and go with Liverpool at Fulham I'm gonna take Mohamed Salah. Just be any time goal scorer It's pretty rare to be able to get Salah plus odds to score. It's plus 110 I believe It's pretty out to get him at plus odds to score in a game where Liverpool are huge favorites They're minus 200 to win it feels like Salah's been oddly quiet in Premier League play of late That's kind of what I thought in my mind and that's like the Twitter narrative, which you know, sometimes those aren't true He's still been pretty good he scored twice over four starts since he came back from injury He's played all 90 minutes in three of those four matches and just put at least one shot on target in 13 consecutive league matches Full member pretty nice matchup They've allowed the sixth most extra G on the season and Liverpool scored four on them when they played earlier this campaign Liverpool also Just completely have their backs against the wall now and probably are gonna need to win out the rest of the way to have any shot at one in the league titles, so I Like full or sorry. I like Salah against Fulham at these plus 110 odds Yeah, and we talked about how we think it's over and man said he's got the win But that doesn't mean that Liverpool treat it that way like their odds are still you know They're above 15% to win the whole thing at least based on the betting data So although we may not be betting them they're gonna treat it as if this is a must-win match I think that's a benefit for Salah given his importance to this team Given the importance of this game I feel like we can still have a lot of faith that they're gonna be pull or full pedal to the metal going here for Yeah, they definitely will be and You know it it can it can swing city could lose to somebody If if Liverpool could lose at home to Palace like city could definitely lose that Brighton or at Tottenham And this thing could swing again So I'm sure like you were saying Liverpool feels like they're right there and in the table. They are right there It's the odds market where they're not right there, but right. Yeah, I still think there's a chance like you said and with their manager Jurgen Klopp even at the end of this year they Got a little extra incentive to try to send him out with a week title, right? Exactly, so motivation will still be high for Liverpool So Austin likes most Salah to score that is plus 110 at Fandall Sportsbook and on the Bournemouth win or a draw matchup It gets Aston Villa. That is minus 105 that is Austin Cass Make sure you check him out on Twitter at Austin Cass find his work at Fandall research where he is a senior editor Austin Appreciate the time as always. Good luck to you. Enjoy your Thursday not Friday and we'll talk to you once again soon Sounds good. Thank you Jim. Alrighty big. Thank you once again to Austin find him on Twitter at Austin Cass We'll talk about some formula one in Shanghai in just one second followed by Nascar and Talladega But first NBA play-in tournament two more games left And it gives teams a chance to play their way into the postseason So only seems right that new customers on Fandall can play their way into 150 bucks Just place any $5 bet and you'll get 150 bucks and bonus bets win or lose to use during the NBA playoffs Fandall official sports betting partner of the NBA must be 21 plus and President select states first online real money wager only $10 first deposit required Bonus issued is not with trouble bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt see terms at sportsbook.fandall.com Fandall is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC gambling problem Call 1 800 gambler or visit Fandall comm slash RG in Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee Virginia and Vermont call 1 800 next step or text next step to 533 42 in Arizona 188 79 Or visit ccpg.org Connecticut 109 with it in Indiana 105 22 4700 visit KS gambling health.com in Kansas 1877 770 stop in Louisiana visit MD gambling health at Oregon, Maryland 1 800 gambler.net in West Virginia 105 22 4700 in Wyoming hope is here visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 803 2750 50 or 24 7 supporter Massachusetts or call 1 8 7 70 open y or text open y in New York Let's take a look now at formula one in this weekend They are in Shanghai for the first time since before COVID 2019 the last time f1 ran in China And the tears for this year in formula one are becoming very very clear where it's red bull number one Then there's a drop then it's Ferrari then there is another drop down to McLaren and third But I kind of think that McLaren might be closer to Ferrari than perception So I want to bet on Lando Norris this weekend You could potentially consider the outright at 36 to 1 but I prefer Norris to podium that is plus 230 Right now at Fandall sportsbook now If you're looking at Norris the past couple weeks his past couple races his race pace has been very very good he's finished within striking distance of Charlotte Claire in both those races now From a results perspective La Claire is finished behind both or sorry Norris is finished behind both signs La Claire in every race that those guys have run But he's had speed and it's still early in the years to for a sample for those results So I don't know how for sure how these tears will break down as the year goes along I think for right now I feel pretty good with it being red bull drop Ferrari drop McLaren, but that might not stick We don't know how things will shift as a year goes along And we also don't know yet how track fit will influence things because you don't have a good enough sample on the cars and various Circuits have not seen the circus 2019 So I think there is at least some some reason to believe the gap between Norris and the Ferraris is smaller than what it is right now You see signs minus 155 as is the Claire to podium then Norris a plus 230 That's a pretty big drop the implied odds of plus 230 are 30.3 percent I have Norris at 41.4 percent to podium. I also do show a value on him to win at 36 to 1 That's probably a bit rich because he has to top not just the two Ferraris But also for Stappen and Checo Perez all of whom are likely gonna be faster than Norris this weekend So probably not gonna get there, but I think I can ride the podium at plus 230 So Lando Norris a guy I want to buy into this week for formula one Last thing I wanted to discuss for today is NASCAR in Talladega and when I look at the odds over at Fandall Sportsbook I am specifically above market on one team where I show a value in the outright market on all three drivers That team is team Penske. You got Ryan Blaney at 10 to 1 Joey Logano 10 to 1 and then Austin Cedric down at 30 to 1 now I'd be into Blaney and Logano at 12 to 1. I took them early this week personally at that number 10 to 1 is a bit thinner and I want a bit more of a gap between my model in the market to bet on guys at a super speed way But Cedric, I'm very okay with at 30 to 1 to win this week I've got Cedric at 5.4 percent to win his implied odds are 3.2 percent And the reason that Cedric is up there is because he has a very good track record on pack track So Daytona, Talladega and Atlanta. Obviously Cedric did win the Daytona 500 back in 2022 Couple other podiums that year as well finished fifth in Talladega last year and he was fourth in Atlanta this year But Cedric runs up front He leads lap and that laughs and that puts him in contention to win pretty much all of these races And we saw this in the X72 because Cedric won Daytona there He had three top fives and six races at Talladega So this is a pretty good number to get on Cedric I do not show value currently on Cedric to finish inside the top five or the top ten at Fandall Sportsbook So Really, it's kind of a winner-bust kind of thing for me at least based on where I'm seeing values So Cedric 30 to 1 the place I'm going if let's say hypothetically later on this week Blaney or Lugano slide to 12 to 1 at Fandall Sportsbook I would bite then like if they don't that they'll qualify well But like if they didn't qualify well and they slipped to 12 to 1 I'd be okay buying them there, but for now riding with just the Cedric outright Let's say though you want a bit of a safer bet and you want Exposure in a way to both Blaney and Lugano I think you can get that via Ford to win their plus 180 right now at Fandall Sportsbook Chevy plus 120 followed by Toyota And I think that's a good value to get on Ford because most the drivers I show value on drive for as I mentioned before I've got value a bit on Blaney and Lugano But then also Cedric, but then I'm at least close to market on some longer shots to like Todd Gilliland Ryan Priess even Harrison Burton down there at longer than 101 all guys. I am at least close to Relative to market the implied odds of plus 180 are 35.7 percent I've got Ford at 42.1 percent to win So Ford still trying to get that that win for this year. They've struggled haven't let a lot of laps The exception has been on super speedways where they've run really well both this year and in years past So I think Ford a value at plus 180 to win at this race in Talladega on Sunday gets me exposure to all three Penske drivers in my model likes and Gets me higher odds of actually cashing a ticket while still being a good value by my numbers at Fandall Sportsbook So for to win plus 180 the other spot. I am turning to you for this week That's all we got here for today on Covering the spread as mentioned big show once again tomorrow talking to Tom Vecchio about some Stanley Cup playoffs We'll talk some NBA playoffs to if you want to get the thoughts from Connor Allen on the end or the NFL drafts Go to the covering the spread podcast feed at the Fandall YouTube page or over on Fandall TV plus big Thank you once again to Austin cast check him out on Twitter at Austin cast find his work at Fandall research I'm on Twitter at Jim Sonnis. You can follow Fandall research on Twitter at Fandall research Want to thank you all for tuning in for today. Good luck to you with your bets today on Thursday Enjoy your weekend. We'll talk to you once again tomorrow to break down some NBA and NHL This has been covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network


you can take some questions. Hello, good afternoon sir. Yes, good afternoon. Sir, your lecture is very interesting and I want to ask a little query. Thank you, thank you. That is environmental in our conditions and the problems also are changing from according to space and the time also and same time the technology is also changing. So, how to decide that what should be the ethics or what value should be followed. Environmental condition is changing. Now, the if you look at carefully your question, there is an answer in it. The answer is this, we already encounter an environment which has not a good one. Is it not? There is there are lot of loss that we experience. There are lot of degradation which has happened and that has affected our quality life. This is this is a kind of a truth which can not be denied or cannot be ignored. Now, the point is that whether such a change can be addressed theoretically and what would be a disciplines approach to study that change. Now, so far as environmental ethics is concerned, we need to shift we need to change our language that is in the in the classical period in the traditionally right from Aristotle to the modern period if you look at I was giving an example referring to Kant during Enlightenment till Kant there was this idea that man was the center of the universe. Everything that are existing around man is to fulfill for fulfilling the desire of man fulfilling the needs of the man. So, therefore, our approach was different. We try to see nature or we try to see the environment having some kind of a utility for ourselves. But now the kind of theory which I am trying to propose or some philosophers have been proposing is that we cannot speak in the language of modernity. We need to change our language the language is from a life from human centric worldview to a life centric worldview unless we put everybody in one you know platform one space and try to connect them we will not be able to realize what we are conceptualizing today. So, therefore, our dream can be only realized if and only if we propose a life centric ethics not a human centric ethics and life centric ethics speaks a different language all together then the human centric ethics. I hope it is clear sir as we know that we are lots of regulations and policies for the control of pollution and conservation of various resources. So, is there any policy for the promotion of environmental ethics as far as sustainable development is concerned in India? Policy for environmental ethics see all policies which are doing which are there to protect environment from further degradation is part of environmental ethics because here the policies are suggesting what ought to be done and what not to be done what ought to be you know the case and that is what the part of environmental studies if we are polluting our rivers then we need to treat the water which is getting into the river. So, that ought to be done if somebody the industry is not following that norm that is a something wrong which is happening and we need to raise voice against it and we consider that is something wrong. So, that is one example. So, when we make a policy we raise a standard and that standard itself is an example of environmental ethics. Sir, thank you very much your presentation was very good we all here appreciated it a lot. I have just one last question like ethics you talked about universal ethics. Can you throw some like like ethics should be applicable to human means, human means are controlling the ethics in fact by controlling the whole ecosystem that interference like global warming global warming is human being is only responsible for global warming and no other spatial changes taking place automatically are responsible for the human for the changing in ethics. Now, see why I was talking about universal ethics in a very general sense because in my earlier discussion with some other participant if you recollect that we are no more a citizen of this country alone we are global citizens global warming if is an environmental effect is experienced not only the citizens of India, but also the citizen who belongs to Norway or some other part of the world. So, the question is that every individual whether he belongs to this world or the other world whether he belongs to east or west or north or south this is going to affect everybody. So, it is a universal concern. So, therefore, we need to redesign our our planning in such a way that we restrict the global warming or we try to protect our endangered species which are getting extinct day by day and so there is a harmony which a universal ethics speaks about and such harmony if it is not advocated then it is a threat to the entire humanity. See we speak about terrorism as a social problem if you have looked at my quotation from Peterson in the beginning of the first half of the lecture I was talking about the social problem as well as environmental problems are to be treated are connected. If terrorism is a problem is a global issue so also the environmental crisis that we face in the form of climate change global warming pollution soil erosion I mean all these things are global issues. So, in that sense we need to develop an ethics which will help the entire humanity. Yes sir please carry on. So, why why human beings think they are the supreme in nature that is my question. Now, this conception that that we are superior or human beings thinks that they are superior is been historically told by all religions that they are superior they are made in the image of God. So, this this is a wrong conception which we carry it is it is there in the in the book of Genesis another one can refer to that where man is at the center and everything is at the periphery of the man and everything is there to fulfill man's needs and it is also there in Aristotle who who creates some kind of a hierarchy in the structure based on the principle of rationality who says that human beings are more rational therefore, they are higher than other beings. So, he he makes a kind of a hierarchical structure of beings. So, that is what is that has harmed us our ethical thinking. You must change your view I think. We need to change that is that is why the shift from a human centric world view to a life centric world view is a necessary. So, this whole concept of ecological cells. If human race does not exist in the that would have been better for the nature I think that would not have been so much of destruction to the nature. Now, this attitude has caused lot of destruction this this attitude which we have carried for centuries you know with us and thinking that everything is there to fulfill our needs ok and humans are something very superior to other beings other biotic beings is something wrong something wrong. And that has to be changed in a when we talk about a life centric world view we try to see that all biotic beings including humans are moral subjects. But humans over and above humans have a responsibility humans can care for others and that is where they are all moral agents. They are not only moral subjects they are also moral agents whereas animals and other biotic beings are moral subjects because they cannot act as we act. They cannot take decisions as as we are taking decisions in our human form of life. So, therefore, human have a very higher sense of responsibility towards nature and towards environment. When human being will think that they are nothing compared to the nature that is why I think nature can ask it. Yes that of course you know when a human beings that is what I am I was pointing out in the whole lecture was to speak against the human centered ethics. The whole lecture was to talk about a new form of ethics in a new language called a life centric ethics. Thank you very much sir. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. As a environmental ethics issue you know the Deorei concept. Which one? Which concept? Deorei, Deorei one of the forest reserve for the God's purpose. I see. Okay, no I am not aware of it but would you please enlighten me. So, this Deorei concept as a ethical point of view now it was one. Second thing is corruption in obeying the laws. Yes. So, why the discussion of ethics? Government strictly not implemented all the rules. Yes. IUCN red data book. So, why the discussion only? Yes. Second thing is environmental syllabus. Yes. From LKJ up to the PG level. Yes. It is only theoretical, not practical related. Yes. Unfortunately, it is very unfortunate that it has not been very practical. Issue of global warming. No global warming. It is a global warning. Yes. Yes. Yes. My suggestion not only discussing the ethical point of view implementation is very necessary. Yes. Now, I fully agree with you that see unfortunately what has happened in last centuries is this that we have created some kind of a distance from nature. So, for example, if you ask now if I ask my child now I will tell you my personal experience. We had recently visited a native place and now the cows the milking was happening and this young child of mine did not like to drink that milk because he said it is directly coming from the cow I want to drink that. Now if you ask who is giving milk now he will say that Dudwala who drops the packet every morning. So, she will like to drink that milk rather than having milk from what we directly get from in the native place. So, we have started living in a society where we have dissociated ourselves extremely from nature. Now look at Tagore have you heard of Tagore Rabindranath Tagore. The concept global as Gandhi ji told that go to the rural side 1932. Both Gandhi and Tagore have a very finest conception of human nature engagement. It is not only Gandhi alone, but Tagore also has you know said that how we need to live along with nature. So, since the modern individual have created some kind of a distance that is harming you know us indirectly and about corruption I think corruption will stop if everybody everybody takes an initiative in reexamining oneself at its own level wherever he has been stationed. So, that is my understanding. Sir, is there any difference between environmental ethics and ethical environment? Ethical environment. Now environmental ethics needs an ethical environment. There is an appeal to create an ethical environment. So, an ethical environment will be created if and only if we cultivate a sense of you know ethical attitude within ourselves then that environment will be created. Yes sir. Another one question is there sir. Okay sir. Please. Is there any certification is there in existence regarding environmental ethics like that quality management or environmental quality there are more certifications are there ISO like that for environmental ethics any certifications are there? I am not sure about environmental ethics that I am not sure about ethics. Love us know that the basic ethics of the environment but in day to day life we do not have time to take care of the environment and the ethics. Okay. Is there any effective implement methods to implements these ethics into society? Okay. Now see we do not have time is not an excuse. We have to have time to initiate it somewhere. Otherwise now we have to experience this in much you know a bigger way the kind of environmental disasters that we are we have been experiencing in our you know day to day life that will come in much bigger way if we do not initiate it right from our own personal end. So I think we need to keep this awareness and act accordingly so that we stop the further deterioration that is happening to environment. Thank you sir. Thank you. Why cannot you make this subject environmental science as a regularized subject in a practice like wise mathematics, botany, etc. And the second question is why not it become a mandatory that only the teachers expertise in environmental science shall be allowed to teach environmental subject instead of the teachers of geology, chemistry and other. Sir the difficult questions are I am sure our instructor in charge Professor Saty will address to this question why not environmental studies is a central theme of our engineering studies. That professor Saty will definitely you know respond to but the other question I do not know who it is what if I specialize in philosophy I can only talk about environmental ethics if somebody specializes in economics will speak about economics much better than I do I but everybody becomes an economics agent when we go to market purchase things but thereby we do not become an expert in economics is not it. So therefore every subject has an expert and every discipline flourishes with that and our experts research and ideas so that is my response to you. Good evening sir. Good evening. Sir how can we justify our activities to our mother earth and what all the activities we can change to achieve the goodness of our environments. As I told you we have been creating abstraction in our life the whole principle of life is life has to flourish not only the human life has to flourish at the cost of environment other biotic beings other living beings but all life has to flourish and that is the first basic principle. Humanity will only sustain if all other beings are given respect if nature is been respected if nature is harmed then obviously I am indirectly harming myself or we are indirectly harming ourselves is not. So when we give up this selfish attitude and adopt a selfless attitude then we will be able to flourish much better protect our environment in a much better way and that will create a sense of respect not only for the humanity but also for all other beings that you know that needs our attention and we needs their existence. Sir one more question here. Sir how can we create awareness among the students in the field of environmental ethics. Yes it is it is easy it is easy because we need to communicate to them and there are various means of communication I was giving an example of you know silent valley movement if you if you go back to the silent valley movement you find that poets have played role, academicians have played role, the politicians the local politicians have played role in the form of various activities. So for example Sundar Lal Bhugna, Vada Yatra which he you know he was influenced by Gandhi's, Gandhi's Vada Yatra and so there are various ways to communicate to people in the form of plays, in the form of poetry, in the form of dramas you know in the form of mass Vada Yatra or movement. So awareness program can be done in many ways. The purpose is to communicate, the purpose is to bridge the gap between people and nature but the kind of lifestyle that we have adopted is creating a hindrance in the path of you know such communication such a dialogue. So a real dialogue will happen if we take ourselves to nature and we close start closely associating ourselves with nature that will be a real form of communication. Thank you sir. Thank you so much. Sir here I have been teaching the environment ethics for the past five years. Okay. For graduate students. Okay. However I am not happy because it is supposed to be inculcated at the school level sir. Yes. What do you feel about this sir? I agree. Sir one more. I certainly agree with you that such a initiative should be taken at the grass root level when a child is been educated right from the primary school to show that how a tree is important, how other pets are important or other animals are important, how closely they are linked to human life that has to be shown at a very basic level of our education because it is easy to transform their attitude when it is taught at the basic level but it is difficult to transform our attitude when it is taught when they are adult. But what is meaningful here is that at least we can create a sense of awareness among ourselves that which was absent few years back. One need not be disappointed that nothing is happening. But I am sure go on repeating with right attitude one day or other we will you know see its positive effect. Thank you sir. One more question from our participants sir please. Okay sir. Sir if there is a natural resources like river for example. Okay. What are the ethics we need to follow from upstream side and downstream side which is constructed a dam on that river. We use that the resources of that river. Yes. Yes. Now certainly the rivers see we need energy and that is why dams are being created. Now when dams are being created it is affecting the life of the being who are earlier dependent on it is not it. So that is inevitable but and that is what that is where the sustainable idea of sustainable development comes in because when it fulfills the need of the humanity. Okay. And that is the basic need and for that reason a dam has been created. I think without humming much such things is you know can be seen in the light of having value but otherwise we cannot destroy all dams and say that no let us go back to the real here that cannot be done that revision cannot be done. What we can can be done is that a desirable reform a desirable reform that can be done we cannot go back to the history and see that we have to undo the entire things but what can be done possibly that what is desirable today. Sir one more question from our principal sir please. Good evening. Good evening sir. Values change with the settings environmental settings either moral values or ethical values or intrinsic values. Okay. Then how to account for? Intrinsic values do not change a value which is necessarily value in itself will not change how it will change only the external values will change value in itself will not change. Whatever it is it changes with the settings. No the situation. Either time settings or place settings. See look at look at this example the question like the child slaves slavery okay slavery was I was giving an example of slavery which was prevailing you know in Athens then when Plato himself was talking about the right of the citizen and a noble state etc. Now the situation has changed is it not and we we condemn slavery is it not. So we condemn slavery in this sense that we see that every human being is valuable and there is an intrinsic value in their life. So similarly when we talk about child labor today and that has to be banned precisely in this light of thinking that every individual has a life and we should allow or help that life to flourish. So unless we create that situation we will not be helping the humanity rather we are really creating a damage to our own form of life. So even if the situation are different the values do not change particularly the intrinsic value. Okay okay. What is the approach to the nuclear power plant project in Pongsan, Jethapur in environmental problem and if so give just one reason. Yes now see the question is you want more energy you want a good lifestyle. Now when we find that there is a necessity we try to fulfill the necessity we try to create alternative energy nuclear energy is one of the energy. Okay now to have nuclear energy and to create a nuclear plant is possible but it is also required and that is also another necessity is that we should create responsible citizen who will take care of the industry who will take care of the plant the nuclear plant. Now if our citizens are not responsible if the engineers working there are not responsible they do not feel that it is their duty to work and work hard see that it does not create any harm to others then our entire exercise will be futile exercise. So all the needs will be fulfilled if and only if we take a holistic account of what is our need what is our responsibility what kind of duty and the responsibility it demands from us. So everything has to be taken you know into account seriously then only we can think of a good society look at France. Look at France and France was the country which had produced nuclear most nuclear have most nuclear plants and how responsible their citizens are is not it. So look at Japan how you know technically they have controlled Fukushima you know what happened to Fukushima. So we have to be responsible citizens and enlightened citizens then only we can think of a better world better society and more developed society all we can have more than 100 smart cities is not it. Thank you sir thank you very much. Welcome. Why would environmental ethics work against pollution control? Of course it has to be pollution. Why would environmental ethics against pollution control? Okay now please listen environmental ethics is not against pollution control. Pollution control is an institution which advocates certain standards to regulate pollution that is damaging the environment. So how can an institution be without norms so pollution control has certain norms to regulate whatever damage that has already been caused and how to restrict those damages. So it is certainly that such an institution will maintain its regulation it norms so that the environment is protected. Environmental ethics related to theoretical as well as practical. Environmental ethics is related to theoretical and practical life of all of us. Now practically suppose I plant a tree today I participate in Bhanam Mahath now if I do that it is not necessary that I will personally gain okay suppose I plant a tree at the I got this awareness plant a tree at the age of 60 now I am not certainly directly benefited from it I will only have a satisfaction that I have planted a tree okay I have done something good for the environment now my future generation will earn that benefit is not it so similarly it has a practical it has a theoretical benefit as well the theoretical benefit is that the kind of satisfaction one earns for oneself the kind of you know well-being one develops okay about other that is a satisfaction that is a theoretical question what kind of person I am okay if I am a factory owner if I am owning an industry and I employ hundred child labor okay to reduce my cost of production then certainly my sense of well-being is lower than a person who is Eric Savala who is no earning in a broad daylight under the 47 degree temperature is it not so his well-being is much higher than my sense of well-being or my sense of self so that is the theoretical contribution that how I start respecting my own well-being respecting my own self compared to the others with that is the theoretical contribution which is an ethical engagement provides thank you welcome good evening we are from Paliar Mani Ammai our heartiest greetings to you that you are devoting so much of your time for just generating such an interest among our people I am also happy to see all of you there sitting presently yeah yeah I am very glad the session is going on very wonderfully and some of the interesting features were there in your presentation thank you the God has created the world or other things like that yes we differ from that you know that is a man because we believe on scientific principles scientific principles so that is why the Almoth God created by man in order to that exploit the people they have not yes yes yes this is what the system is to be witnessing there is some of the conference of questions I have got to pose before you one it is the ethics built up with the foundation of mutual respect equality from exploitation humanity harmony etc but at this era of globalization these things are at the stake it is is it possible to reverse the globalization to ensure environmental and human ethics one of our questions is one sir one one more component since the morning you have been discussing about one more interesting features you presented just a few minutes back that is on Karl Marx Marxism nature certification that was very nice it was actually when Karl Marx he wrote that does capital when he analyzed the system how the human evolution took place and how the people they utility concept everything came really whatever his assertion become more true now because now people we can say even the how the people rich exploits poor nations exploit developing nation yes yes so the ethics is being violated based on the material benefit yes so I think that also you would like to extend our gratefulness to you for conveying good news and only please kindly give your response to this one sir yes now see my response to your first question about globalization and how we cannot undo such a such a big project global project though it is primarily an economic project but there are certain underpinnings moral underpinnings which we need to look after which people have ignored the developed country have ignored like the care for the care aspect ok the care aspect has been ignored ok so the underdeveloped countries are not are only taken into now consideration from an economic point of view and they have ignored the ethical aspect of their engagement and that has to be reasserted now look at now India is a developing nation we as a nation have tried have tried very recently in reasserting ourselves is not in many many forums and many occasions so such a assertion is necessary so that we advocate that what is our need and what is the need of such nations who are the victim of globalization so that is I think one priority which will reduce the hierarchy ok not only the economic hierarchy but also the moral hierarchy which is existing in our society or in the world then the second question is about about developing a kind of a theoretical framework in which we treat everybody as equal one that is an attempt has to be initiated from an individual level each and every individual level I think that initiation is necessary we cannot say that no no it is not my job no it is somebody else job it is not somebody else job it is a job of all of us and that has to be initiated from each one of us by each one of us as well thank you very much and then we would like to hear something about the creation of God oh yes no no look at there are two concept of creation of God I gave if you you might recollect these two I talked about Sarvam Khalidam Brahman that Brahman is everywhere this is one concept of God God has been manifested in many ways in many forms and is existing in many forms and there is another concept which God has been created man and has given some kind of a power to enjoy the other properties so the other existing entities are conceptualized as the property of man so when we have a sense of property then that hierarchy you know gets into the restructure of our evaluation that I treat myself as higher or the owner of something that is wrong that in fact diminishes the earlier concept of God creation that is the difference Sir my question is that as per the ethics in an Indian culture mythology itself have a lot of best in various religions so what is your opinion about the Indian ethics should we follow or not I am not here to suggest what to follow and what not to follow I am here to only make a kind of a analysis before you that how we can have a disciplinary approach to understand environment that is my first thing point I think need to be dealt with little seriously the other point is that yes there are mythologies which help us in understanding environment much better so I am not sure that what kind of methodology you have taken into account but there are ample examples which we try to draw when we teach environmental ethics to children to clarify certain doubts yes thank you sir welcome ok thank you everyone for patiently listening to lectures and patiently asking questions it was indeed very great opportunity for me to talk to all of you thank you