a vacuum, I would say that there are still some issues with the story. But otherwise, yeah. But we don't live in a vacuum. And the pre-existing canon is there. So, I mean, you would have to, you would have to. Well, it's not canon though, is it? Because it's a different continent. It's not canon to the MCU. It's not canon to the MCU, yeah. Well, again, this kind of goes back to the, you know, what I was saying previously about, you know, telling stories and retelling stories and making original stuff. So if you're going to tell an older story, then why not tell it faithfully? Why are you not telling it faithfully though? Because if you're going to make a lot of changes, why not just make something original? No, I'll use the template. What if it's better than the source material? What if they make choices that make more sense than in the source material? Because the source material has assassinated characters in the past. So what if they tell the story in a way that doesn't assassinate the character? Yeah, like if they adapted one more day badly, would that not be good? Hold on. Say that again. So that's the famous bad Spider-Man story, right? One more day, is it? Yeah. Where he sold his marriage to the Devil. Yeah, yeah. And he made the deal. By the logic you've given us, if they adapted that faithfully, that would mean it's a good film, right? No, it doesn't necessarily mean that, because there are tons of comics that, like Riri Williams, for example, they're going to do the origin of her in the MCU. That was just an awful, awful comic. If it's adapted like perfectly. If you adapt it faithfully, it's still going to be an awful, awful movie. So then it doesn't matter whether or not it's a good adaptation. Then it matters whether or not it's good or bad in and of itself. Well, you have two different things. So you have, is it a faithful adaptation? But that's clearly not relevant. And is the story good to be good with? But that's not relevant clearly, because if you adapt something that's bad, and then that means that what you made is bad anyway, then it's like, well, adaptation's not the issue then here. It's whether or not it's good in and of itself. Well, if it's a bad story, then I wouldn't want to adapt it. If the original is bad, then I would not adapt it. If the original is good, then I would adapt it faithfully. That's beside the point, though. It would be like... Well, what if there's a spark there? Well, and of course, like, what if you have a bad story and you're like, I can make changes to make it good. There's a template here that could work, but I want to change it and make it better than what it was. That would be making changes in the same way that somebody would be making changes to the good source material in a way that makes you question why they would do it. But like, there's a lot of reasons why you would... How is it a false equivalency? I would ignore chat for this, for me to focus on your audience. What if you adapt Hill House? Like, not the books. Literally remake the show, but you change the ending and you make it all internally consistent with how the ghosts work. Surely that's not a bad thing to do. Surely that's a good thing to do. I wouldn't be able to comment because I'm not familiar with that particular. Okay, so hypothetical show where the characters are great and most of the story is really great, but there are some ghosts in the story and the way they work doesn't make any sense.  Would it be good to adapt that show, but to fix those few issues in the year adaptation? Or would it be better to make... Because it's still a good show. Would it be better to adapt the show again faithfully and keep the issues intact as they are? So you're taking an existing TV show which had a shitty ending and then adapting it into another TV show? I mean we could do like a... Let's say we're adapting it into a graphic novel. Let's do it the other way around. Is it then a bad decision to change the ending and take everything that's excellent about that show, like the ending and the ghosts? See, and this is the base of my argument. It's no longer the same thing anymore. So like if you're... I don't know, like my entire argument boils down to if it's a good story, then it's worth adapting faithfully. If it's a bad story, then it's not worth adapting and you should just make something original. I would say that Civil War the comic is bad and that they may change... Well, we can come back to that later, but that's what I think anyway. And also, would it... That would preclude them from ever being able to adapt that story at least for like the next 30 years until they have all of the characters that were available in the comics to do it. Like, I don't like that idea that they can't even cut the concept of Civil War because they don't have enough characters yet. And they'd probably lose some of the characters along the way because the actors would hate that. Of course there were contracts and stuff, yeah. I mean, there are a lot of stories within Marvel that require way too many characters to really tell in a... In a faithful way. Or so you've got to make changes for the medium, or else they're all off limits at that point. Or most of them anyway, like a lot of stories would become off limits. Yeah, I don't really... I would love a faithful, sinestro, core war adaptation, but I understand what a logistical nightmare that would be to get all those superheroes for that ending conflict there. So I would understand if there would need to be concessions made for that, for example. What's like a famous good Spider-Man comic? Is it a good, like a special name sort of thing, anyone? If this be my destiny? What was that, sorry? If this be my destiny, that's the one where he's like trapped under the rubble. It's like, it's in Spider-Man Homecoming, the whole, he's like stuck. He's like, you know, that type of thing.     And then I go, blame, I actually tricked you. The film you just watched is actually an adaptation of whatever the one that Evan just said is. And it has nothing to do with what's in that comic.  Well, I think this is part of the argument that I think Jay made yesterday where most people, the viewership, don't even realize that these are being stories from the past. And therefore the comics and the previous canon doesn't really matter for the larger audience. For me, like, if I'm aware that this is how the comic is supposed to go and I watch it, well, the scenario that you're giving anyways kind of seems like it would almost be not an adaptation. It feels more like it would be an original story than an adaptation. They call it the same name and they have all the same character names. If you can use the same, just the same name, the same title doesn't mean it's the same story, though. But again, you're... Can we not apply that to, like, Barry? I thought you said that, like, if you change it too much, what's the point in even adapting it in the first place? Yeah, that's an example of that, right? Where you've changed it so much that what's the point? Yeah, so if the story has been changed so significantly that it no longer resembles one bad day, then why even use that name?  That's a wonderful question, but it's not really the point. I'm asking you if it makes the story bad if they've used that name.  Does it make the story bad? Well, if the story is completely unrelated to the original, then no, it doesn't necessarily mean that the story is going to be bad in the movie. What if it's mostly unrelated to the original story? It would mean that someone came up with it, decided to use the old name just as, like, Nostalgia Bate. But what if it was mostly different, but kind of similar, and it was great? Mostly different, but kind of similar? Like, it bears enough similarities to the original that you can tell that it was based on the original, but it is pretty significantly different. Yeah, that's like Civil War, really. Yeah, like Civil War would be the example. Is it bad because it's different? I don't think it's necessarily bad that it's different. I think that my point being is that if you're going to do an adaptation to a good story, then you should make a faithful adaptation. Otherwise, make something original. Well, wait, but you said you shouldn't be faithful if it's a bad story, right? So here's the thing. I see it largely as kind of like the current year modern Hollywood, just kind of being lazy and just redoing stuff that has been successful in the past for the sole purpose of the branding and of the name and stuff and being able to reuse that.  So, like, I view it more as kind of like laziness where, again, if you're going to make an adaptation of a previous story, then just make it faithful. If it's a good story, then tell it faithfully. Well, wait, laziness, is it not more lazy to just copy the original than to like take it as a template and then create something that's very different? No, because what's happening is if you're making it as a faithful adaptation, then everybody knows that it's a faithful adaptation, right? Like, there's no kind of deception going on where like, this is, you know, a totally different version type thing. But what we see with a lot of these other kind of like remakes, reboots kind of thing, basically they're taking existing stuff so they don't have to go through the effort in the work of building up the characters or building up the story. They just take something that's already existed and they just kind of add some, a little bit of extra stuff to it. And that to me seems lazy because you're not going about the entire process of creating that original story, the original characters and that sort of stuff.  And it's kind of the same thing with like the comics and then that. But if, again, if you want to do an adaptation, and I sound like a broken record, I'm going to keep saying this, if you make an adaptation of something that came before, it should be faithful. And if you're not going to be faithful, then just make something new, make something original. What if you want to take like 80%? Well, I mean, I guess first of all, there's a lot of like, should for your intentions for doing something narratively, which I don't think is reliable as a metric for deciding whether something is good or bad. I don't think that we can rely on people's motives or like, well, why would you make this decision? It's like, does that matter when it comes to what the content is at the end of the day? And I guess it's just, I don't see how it can be reliable to say it's substantially different. Therefore, it's bad slash you never should have tried it in the first place. But if it's a bad story in the first place, you should never try to make any changes or fixes to make it better in a different medium. Or like it needs to be a sufficiently, if it's sufficiently different enough, then it can be its own original thing. It was like there's like a lot of extra elements that are getting thrown on top that make it incredibly confusing to figure out what our standards are. Like again, if it was a bad story to begin with, then I just don't see a reason to try to not make it. Do you think that there can be a bad story that has great ideas that could just be tweaked with like rewriting? You take something that is like potentially narratively rich, but was just executed poorly? I mean, it's possible. But again, if you have the ability, if you have the skill to make that good story. What if you like this idea? I mean, again, make something original. What if you like this idea?  I'm saying what if you like this idea specifically? You're like, this idea is really cool. Somebody's tried it. But I want to try it and give it a shot and see if I can make it better.  So I guess the idea we're trying to puzzle. I mean, it depends on it depends on like how narrow the idea is. If you're talking like just, if you're talking about like a certain kind of story using a particular plot device or something, you know, like what if time travel worked in this particular way? You could take that and use that in any other original content. But if you're talking about something that's really, really narrow, like this character from this movie said this other thing instead of the original lines. At that point, I don't see. It seems like a waste. I would just say don't remake it. Don't try to redo it. Just make something original. Romeo and Juliet as a film should start with a chorus that speaks in rhyme. Isn't adapting something intended to translate the story? Not slavishly, you know, copy it word for word. I don't understand your point of view at all, not at all. Especially considering that like you're basically changing the form of media for which like the ideas are conveyed. Like a book, which is essentially what a comic book is. It's pictures meets words and like illustrations to convey meaning and characters. Like that's going to be a little bit different when you're filming things rather than like still images. So things might might not translate particularly well when you're filming it. You might need to take creative liberties. I think it's like it's hard to make something just page accurate. Like I already said that though. Matters of Watchmen in terms of that type of thing. Yeah, and I already said that I said when you're taking something from one medium and moving it into another, you're necessarily going to have to make changes. No, I didn't. That was one of the first things I said, I said if you're taking a very large story or if you're taking something from one medium, you're obviously going to have to make changes. If you're trying to cram it into a 90 minute movie, there are going to be changes.  Did that make it bad or is that like acceptable compromise? You can cut out certain things. You can cut out unnecessary side plots and that sort of thing in order to adapt something for a movie that has a specific. It's not very faithful at all. It is faithful. As long as you're telling the story in the manner in which it was meant to be told and you're using the same characters with the same basic. How do we differentiate between decisions to remove or add content or amend content based on creative decisions versus practical limitations? What if they go hand in hand? How then do you assess whether the changes make it bad or okay? A lot of that is going to end up probably being subjective depending on the viewer, whether you personally believe it's faithful or not. There are going to be certain side plots that I might think are necessary and you think that are not necessary. Unfortunately, some of that is going to be subjective. There's no way around that. For example, if you were to tell the Lord of the Rings movies are already unbelievably long if they were going to be word for word faithful to the books they would have been three times as long as they currently are. So yes, there are going to be things that need to be cut in order to adapt it to a different medium. I didn't say that that makes it automatically bad. I said that there are going to be things that you necessarily need to remove in order to adapt it. So war getting rid of all of these crazy comic book characters that there's no way that they could have possibly gotten actors for enough screen time for? Yeah, but they also changed a lot of other stuff about Civil War as well. What about changing something entirely? Let's say you take World War Z, which is a series of very short stories and you turn that into a single story that goes through the whole thing. You're telling the story and obviously the World War Z film itself. Forget that, but let's say that you're changing it like that. You're now telling the same story in the same universe that gets through the same point. You would rather have short little vignettes of film. No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that at all. But that would be a significant change from the base material and you'd be creating awesome characters. So why not just create something outside of World War Z entirely? Do something original? That's the reverse of what I just said though. If you take a book that is incredibly long and you need to adapt it into a movie, then you're necessarily going to need to cut stuff out. You're taking a series of short stories and you're trying to make... Are you necessarily going to have to cut something out? It depends on how long or short the book is and how long or short the film is, right? If I decide to make three films out of one book, I could have all the content in there. That's a decision I could make. Like The Hobbit? No, let's not use... Let's go hypothetical. Because you were talking about how it's like, if we judge harshly an adaptation where we need to cut stuff because of runtime or technical limitations, would that mean that, for instance, if you had three films that were an adaptation of one book and nothing was cut, that that is necessarily better than the one where it's one film and stuff just needs to be cut? No, it wouldn't necessarily be better because there are lots of other variables and factors that you would need to consider. That sounds like we're adding a lot of extra baggage when we could just be like, well, how good is this as its own thing? It seems like we're making it incredibly complicated. I mean, my argument has been pretty simple from the get go. I don't think it's simple. Well, if you have a good story, you should adapt it faithfully. If it's not a good story, then don't bother and make something original. Okay, so hypothetically... Those things seem completely arbitrary to me. Yeah, why should? People in chat want me to bring this one up as well. I'm sure you're aware the famous example is the Shining film, considered one of the greatest films of all time, is a piss-poor adaptation that Stephen King hates. How do we reconcile these two things?  Unfortunately, I can't really comment too much because I never actually read a book. You don't have to. You don't have to have seen it. I'm telling you that it is a batshit wrong adaptation. The author of the book hates it. So with that information, you would now argue to me, yes, the Shining film is shit, right? I would like to see a faithful adaptation is what I would like to see. I think there was. It was a miniseries. Stephen King had a lot more involvement and everyone hated it. It's a hard book to adapt because of the way that Stephen King writes things. He relies a lot on internal monologue. That's like the dialogue between characters. What I want is for you to say, yes, it is a bad film and that's fine. I understand your standards at that point. I wouldn't adopt them myself at all. Yeah.  Especially when like my argument that I go to as someone who loves both The Shining book and the movie is that they're like telling different stories with essentially different themes and different ideas that they're trying to convey. So it's kind of like two different experiences even though they use the same setting the same type of characters. They just take changes that result in like a different experience. So it's just a different approach to essentially the same story. Well, it sounds to me like it's almost not even the same story. If you're making such significant changes then it's kind of it kind of reminds me it's like what you said about one bad day thing. Like if you're simply using the title for a different story then there's a couple things here. For one it draws it has a lot of the same characters same setting. Draws all the book fans as well. Don't forget it draws all the book fans in. So it's going to be portraying them. It can't exist solely on its own The Shining movie because part of what it does is it inverts a lot of things that happen in the book. So certain characters that survive like the house burns down in the book and then it survives in the movie. Like there are things that are inverted on purpose where what's her name Wendy is kind of strong and independent in the book but she's sort of meek and the abused wife in the novel. He's kind of like I mean in the movie there's an inverted version of the book. It's not something that can exist without the source material. I'd say one of the most significant changes is like Jack's alcoholism. That's like one of the key points of conflict instead of the book because he's basically trying to stave off alcoholism because he gave it up and then that's eventually what leads to the finale with him getting drunk basically through the hotels influence but it's basically like substitute for pure insanity of like cabin fever in the movie so it's just kind of two different approaches to creating conflict with the third act.  That's you know another example too. They fire bomb the island at the end of the book the t-rex drowns in a river I'm pretty sure.  I don't like it. So I guess the point when it comes to I'm curious about your answer for that. For the movie it? Yeah. I didn't like it. That's not a question. The question that Jay asked you. You do have a habit of not answering questions. What was the question? The thing with the kids? Yeah, no. My argument would be it's a bad story so don't adapt it. So there shouldn't be adaptations then? No. Again, and I've said this like a dozen times already if it's a good story and it's worth adapting then you should adapt it faithfully. If it's a bad story then don't adapt it and make something original. This is a good story with a bad scene. Should there or shouldn't there be adaptations then? You just implied that the book is bad. Is that what you're saying? Which category does it fall into? I've never so I can't fully comment on the book. I've read parts of it but I honestly haven't read it cover to cover. Let's just say then just for the sake of argument that it is a you read it it's a flawless horror but then it ends with loads of children fucking. Like that's let's just say hypothetical. That's what's necessary for the argument. It's a great horror but it ends with a scene that I really wouldn't want to include. You've got 150 everyone. I would argue that it's not that great a book then. I'm not just going to I'm not going to just exclude a significant plot element towards the end of the book and say yeah it's great except for how everything ended. I wouldn't be able to say that. I would judge it as a whole and I would say it's no it's it has some good parts but it's overall I wouldn't I wouldn't want to adapt it.  Again like why not just make something original like it's I don't understand what this we can give you a motivation for existing stories like I don't understand this plan motivations they want to use the IP to be able to give the story a wider breadth of better chance at existing.  Like adaptational quality and writing quality are in two separate pens like they're both conversations you can have but like I would hot take but it's not even fair to call it adaptation quality just adaptation faithfulness I don't think I think it's fair to call that quality someone said that's terrible I'm not judging the morality of the decision I'm strictly talking about the story what did it end up being well I mean but I don't think it's terrible to do that well I gotta say though like it's pretty I slept like three hours last night I've been awake for 24 hours it's really like bizarre to see someone in chat say like oh just so by Jay and Fringy's standards TLJ is a masterpiece for what they did to look like are we that's a direct continuation so if there was a new Star Wars film that came out we don't even need to go that far the fundamental thing is I never said anything about whether or not it's good for that particular story to be different I said it should be judged for what it is well yeah yeah yeah how does that change anything in relation to whether or not these specific stories are good or bad because they're not faithful so you this is just the fucking argument oh I can't separate the thing I like from the thing that is using the same name and IP but not the same continuity the reason that Luke is bad is not because it's different from it's not just bad because it's different it's bad because it predicts the same continuity with which it is and it is contained it is that is your argument it's not my argument I'm telling you it's not my argument if you released TLJ and it was called Star Wars Episode 4 A New Hope Remake then you cannot criticize Luke for being out of character because he's a new character at that point he's a new character based on an old character you may not understand why the changes were made but he's not you can't criticize him for being out of character when he's a literally a a different person he's a manifestation of the same person but he's a different person like I said I'll do you one better the point that's being made is that regardless of whether it's a good adaptation or a bad adaptation it should be assessed for what it is independent of what it's based on and of course it's not analogous because TLJ is a sequel in the same continuity so what happens before matters later because it's in the same timeline as opposed to two stories that don't take place in the same continuity this is entirely consistent you can't have a fucking continuity error between two things that don't exist in the same continuity it's impossible moving goalposts around this is the position this is the position someone tells a story someone fucking writes it's like going into Amazing Spider-Man Gwen Stacy, she's dead why you can't tell a story about her she died she's dead in the comics that's really stupid that you would write Gwen Stacy to be alive that's a really bad argument against Amazing Spider-Man we've held this position since Efeb started adaptation versus sequel these two things are entirely different categories this is just flat out wrong at that point it's just an admission the thing you're angry about is that something changed yeah not that something contradicts which can admittedly be incredibly annoying particularly if they change something for the worse yeah of course if you're attached to something being a certain way and then it changes it's completely understandable to be upset about that but at the same time it's not an issue it's like if that's your sole criticism then you're re-ing like faithfulness is not analogous to quality they are in two separate pens they don't talk to each other well again we can have a conversation about faithfulness we can have that conversation about whether or not it's faithful there needs to be a separation because otherwise you're just going to run into problems like The Shining where it's like oh you have to say that this film is bad because it's not the same as the book I just don't like that and I also don't like the idea of telling people you're only allowed to adapt something if you have this specific intention in mind this is the only intention that you're allowed to have you can't think that a story that wasn't executed well could be tweaked and changes could be made including substantial changes that could make it better or that you simply are just interested in exploring a different angle with it I just feel stupid and again so what happens is unfortunately we've held this position forever we've had arguments about this since early EFAP but we get lots of new fans because for example with the sequels Game of Thrones or whatever else we talk about the inconsistencies and the characters within that timeline and a lot of people assume that we carry that argument over to adaptation but we've never done it ever we think the Patriot is pretty good it's a terrible adaptation of history mmm yeah that is not the swamp fox at all oh the Patriot is like a really bad I did a report on him in 8th grade Francis Marion yeah he's a super cool guy man the social network is another example because it's not a faithful telling of what actually happened but it's a good movie well I mean another example Steve Jobs there's no way that at the beginning of a major press event for three launches that incredibly important events in Steve's life happened within the span of like 40 minutes that never happened all the key dialogue they even lampshaded where he said everyone got drunk and told me what they really thought right before the meetings it's so that they can have everything at the key product launches even though a lot would have happened between the time jumps and of course it's worthwhile to criticize whether or not it's misrepresenting what happened that's a conversation but that's a different conversation to whether or not it's working as its own story it has to be a different conversation I'd like to extend another branch to you I'm a comic book fan myself I love a lot of comic book stories but obviously as my standards have evolved and changed I reread those stories and I go oh I still really like this story I prefer to adapt it I really want to change the dialogue because a lot of this dialogue doesn't really hold up even if the story itself I still find quite rich and I think there is a benefit to looking at these stories not as this is set in stone this is what it needs to be and it's then looking at it as okay this is a really great attempt at a first draft let's see how we can take it from a good story or maybe a bad story with great ideas and turn it into a great story and that's the beauty of what an adaptation can do and I think the only reason I would talk about faithfulness is if the story is really bad in the adaptation and I'm going where the fuck did we go wrong along the way was it the fact that the original story was bad or is it the fact that they mangled the ideas and then we can get into why are these mangled ideas bad on their own and how did they become these mangled ideas that can be very interesting but again we got to keep the conversation of what is the quality of the script itself on its own and what is the faithfulness of it to the source material separate in that regard so you can obviously you can have two different types of quality for both the original story, the adaptation the faithfulness these are all different factors different variables that you can consider whether they're good or bad but again I do not see I don't see a reason to go and try to rehash stuff that's already been done and if you're making significant changes to a character it's not the character anymore it's something new just wearing a mask or a face a skin suit of the original character so if you're not going to do that then again I've actually got another question for you in that regard just make something original even if it's the same character you can make an original story but I've just got a question for you in that regard so comic books are an ongoing medium that often come out around they continue to go on after adaptations have come and gone but what happens is that adaptations become better regarded than their comic book predecessors comics retcon the backstories from the adaptations into the main line continuity so what happens in those situations what would your opinion be there as far as the adaptation what DC does all the time with their crisis reboots where the origin of this character gets changed this and that um so I don't really particularly like the constant reboots it's I'm not saying that good I'm just saying that it becomes messy after it becomes quite messy and I understand but there's going to be like a kind of primary version of a character I suppose and when people think of Superman they think of Clark Kent landing and getting picked up by the Kents and whatnot they don't think of Red Sun Superman sort of deal so there's like a primary version of characters and what if I do think of Red Sun I don't know man what if that's just well I'll tell you something because when I was a kid I grew up on quite a niche adaptation of Batman I grew up on the 2004 animated series and to me that was go to like yeah yeah yeah and for me the go to Joker was fucking raster Joker like that was this is going to be different for different people this isn't entirely like there's a most popular one but that's not the same as definitive and no one can claim that the one that is most popular is definitive I think individual people are going to have their favorites to be sure but that doesn't really matter what if it's an improvement on the original surely it is it doesn't matter because the whole argument is if there's a definitive one that's the one that people think of first and that's not unanimous no but we're talking about you're talking about the overwhelming majority of people versus a couple maybe that is true you have to be able to make that distinction you can't just say ok well this one dude who likes the back issue number 38 of whatever where Superman shows in for one panel where he's actually a plumber instead of a reporter the one dude who thinks that should be canon you can't look at that and say ok we're going to take this as canon no it doesn't work like that there's going to be a primary version of every character because it's just dumb you can't that's not an argument you cannot you cannot build something around every single possible niche version that every random person there needs to be specifically the companies are supposed to do this the companies that are making the character are supposed to have some consistency for the character and they're largely supposed to be responsible for presenting what is supposed to be the primary version of a character and that is what should be used now if you want to do these alternate versions and what not that's fine but don't treat it like it's the real thing because it's not and as I said earlier as I said earlier with Miles Morales he's not Spider-Man he's Miles Morales or he's Miles Morales no he is not Spider-Man Peter Parker is the one and only Spider-Man Steve Rogers Steve Rogers is the one and only Captain America Clark Kent is the one and only Superman there you can have alternate versions but there's always going to be a one primary original character that is the one I'm going to put the whole in your logic right here Wally West hasn't flashed for 20 years and took over for Barry Allen for 20 years a lot of people give it a Wally West the one true flash so how does that work oh yeah everyone has their green lantern like that's actually now you're talking not necessarily about adaptations now you're talking about characters having titles and mantles but you just said what about the different versions of Bruce Wayne what about okay so you've got very different versions of Bruce Wayne both from original comics there are older versions of Batman doesn't original Batman use guns and is fundamentally very like okay so let's just say where is the line so let's say it's a very let's say it's not just some niche version of the character that we're talking about here let's say there's a the same character portrayed in a different way is considered the main version by like 40% of people like where is the line where it stops being oh that's just um don't that's not the real version where's one is it oh well I guess there might be something to that I guess that's a version we can adapt when when does it become because to me it seems entirely arbitrary I would like to listen to some porn I don't know about you people but I would really like to listen to some erotica at the moment I always got the impression that part of Spider-Man's point is that he should inspire everybody and anyone can be Spider-Man that's why I found Miles Morales' story quite compelling and I thought it was really neat when he finally almost earned the mantle I've said before and I'll say it again I think John Walker earned the Captain America mantle and like I like the character of John Walker in the show I thought that he absolutely is the more qualified person to take that mantle but if you ask me who is Captain America it's still Steve Rogers it was someone came on when Bucky Barnes was Captain America that was there Captain America but it doesn't matter because where did because how did he Bucky Barnes become Captain America let me ask you that how did Bucky Barnes how did Bucky Barnes become Captain America he inherited the mantle but then he's not the one through Captain America at that point the point is that even if you join the story when Bucky Barnes is Captain America as part of his story as part of when he gets the mantle of Captain America he gets it from Steve Rogers he inherits the mantle and so there's still there's still like the very obvious like even if you join with Bucky Barnes or what's the name Sam Wilson or whoever because there's been like a dozen different people that have held the mantle you can always follow it back to okay who is the main version of Captain America who's the one that started it who is the guy wait wait wait because you said main but what you're talking about is first that's important distinction because what happens if you have somebody who ends up being that person for longer what if 95% of people said that Bucky is the true Captain America a lot of people can say that okay so main was bad wording the original is still J Garrick should be the flash then and Alan Scott should be Green Lantern and they're the only ones they're the prime they're the best so J Garrick and Alan Scott should be the one true flash in Green Lantern if you're talking about like who who is this character then it goes to the original the primary okay so we should be having J Garrick then you're talking again you're talking about passing of a mantle I'm really confused I guess the question would be why is that the way that it works I would just be curious if you kept to use because again this goes again this goes back to what I was saying I don't necessarily like the whole passing of a mantle thing I think it's I actually love it I just think it's kind of I think it's kind of lazy because again rather than taking the time to build up an original character you're just kind of piggybacking building up no they're not it's a wonderful thing where they get to pass on their legacy to the most I understand that I understand that and to pass on the mantle to him is simply a symbolic gesture that shows his progression and his relationship with Steve yes and it's still a completely original character and to see what he does with the mantle he's an original character and he's Bucky Barnes he's not Captain America well he is Captain America you got someone new to introduce so let's pause for a second if 95% of people said they believe Bucky Barnes is Captain America and they all read the comics and loved them would you eventually concede that you'd be wrong because the population has outnumbered you no so then it's who's first not what it's just who's first children children what EFAP is this 150 and here we are this is love honestly come on people we've had loads of memes old man where are you for those I almost sped out my food holy shit fucking hell are we gonna do some fucking alright oh yeah I was gonna say we haven't gone through these survey results yet there was a time when I was put on EFAP to discuss Star Wars and all that crap just expect me to bring the smut I mean I will deliver of course well I gotta finish the survey results I don't know how many more there are oh yeah that's right this all came from well again not starting there but if young ripper was to come on that's what they wanted us to discuss and we would have a repeat of what we just had so you'd have to do you really want that audience yeah people also want razor fist that would be interesting we're on board Seth Zintash TAC TAC I believe rags you're aware of them as a creator him? yes I am it's a very good game Clownfish TV I know of that name thanks to the stuff with Kevin Smith yeah Palsum Reviews I think we watched a Palsum Reviews video in relation to all the reaction stuff I think Palsum Reviews did a video or it could have been someone else I think it was diesel patches I can't quite remember Nick Rakita which we're definitely going to get around to at some point Procrastatara I've heard a lot of requests for that one as well Joe Kat V, Miss Anthropony Manga Carmen, Solar Sans T-Tom Rucka Rucka Ali Nicholas Diorio Potentials all of them who knows what will happen in the future I'm way more interested in the random people that people have just suggested one or two people have said Assange we'll grab Assange for sure I find it really interesting that Ryan George is there as if he would ever come on here aww I thought he was a huge fan what the fuck J, you should be interested in this one is SPAWT a good meme yes well the overwhelming answer is actually yes or at least the majority answer is correct SPAWT is the original SPAWT to hold the SPAWT mantle yes well I'm a nuanced little centrist boy it comes in at 27% to 28% with 13% of the audience saying bad meme so I feel like the bad meme people are outnumbered at this point so SPAWT he's still going strong potentially I'm just looking at all of these one-off suggestions J's hand, Molo that's you you played my hand, remember oh yeah you did you had a cameo in my video voicing my hand should Fringy reveal that video is called YouTube doesn't understand what no means if anyone's curious go have a look should Fringy reveal the secrets of his Fringy Goo to Rags so he can know whether it's safe to store in his fridge with the snow most common or popular answer is no a plague doctor has the right to keep his professional secrets second most popular is yes well it's just not getting in your fridge right that's the deal if you don't have a problem and I don't have a problem so it's okay but 33% of people said Rags needs to know the properties of the Fringy Goo that's not I don't as it stands I mean not at the moment maybe they meant he needs it if it's to go in his fridge maybe well I was about to say that's fair but I don't know if I agree with that well we could have another long debate if you want no that's okay the other answer is I have no idea what this question is about which is fair ooh look at this who would win the fight? Grizzly Bear or Tiger I hope they're aware that that's supposed to be Siberian Tiger I believe right and it's supposed to be a Kodiak Bear is that just a random question or is that from an EF I'm not aware of that's a long discussion that one but 77.5% believe the Grizzly Bear wins yeah I mean they probably are right I would imagine you would mainly whoever gets the first strike in takes it I do insist that if the Tiger gets the first strike it has a really good chance but if it doesn't then the Bear's got it that's kind of how it works in this situation whichever creature has the first strike really has the best chance easily the reason why I bring it up is that the Bear doesn't need to get the first strike to survive the first strike at which point it wins just by default because a lot of people want us to take into account that Bear's a tanky as hell Tiger's less so well and also apparently they just have better endurance than Tiger's a really good for a short amount of time if it was a black bear I think it would be oh it's a black bear Grizzly Bear Grizzly's can kill Moose so that's Moose is not a predator I think Moose is one of the most dangerous animals Moose are true really they're in some areas they're treated as being more dangerous than even the Bears because when they get angry they have no fear of almost anything they will charge at you and they will try to kill you and they are extremely extremely dangerous the ones that aren't afraid of humans are the ones you need to be worried about like polar bears aren't afraid of humans the thing is Moose are not even afraid of predators they will attack what was they not afraid of humans yeah but they eat grass so beta cringe one of whims are afraid of humans someone said I was there for that debate I don't remember that at all I don't even know let us kill this debate in the cradle right now that was not a cradle kill that was like a teenager killed well I'm murdering and I'm snapping its neck I'm throwing the skeleton in the fucking bin why is it a skeleton already he just killed it I'm gonna tell that to the teenager to be snapped to neck to the moose's snap neck as Jay just explained is meese the meese's snap neck is it meese? so that would be if it was more than one moose I want it to be meese all the time if it's more than one group of moose it's meese is that true or is that a that sounds like a meme but is it true I made it up but it could also coincidentally be true well Jay made it up if it's made up I want credit to go to Jay it's important to me do you remember when Twix vs Reese's Pieces was going to be the new Halloween vs Christmas question the responses are only now that you brought it up I didn't know this was a thing and I remember that I vaguely remember that I don't even think I remember I can't remember what I said at the time I think I would have gone with Reese's someone asked me and I said Reese's Pieces I'm not very common in Germany at the time so I couldn't really comment but by now you get all these Reese's Pieces or the fake ones you get them here everywhere now so and that is it because the last question everyone answered is Man of Steel a well written movie if you gripes with it or in the writing or special effects it could probably be better I think there's a lot of interesting stuff in there it's not the best written movie do you guys know Limmy? no and that's it that is the survey I can't wait to hear porn yeah please porn waves have come now on my face do it I can't believe they put a whole debate for adaption in this survey it's crazy yeah I read it all out I did the voices I was going to say I think they've had every form of coverage now on this anniversary we did all of the things we've ever done memes are covered there was a debate we did obviously loads of video coverage lots of regular known guests and I think the only thing left is porn um so out of curiosity Voxus what is the word length of the one you've got for us today I'm assuming you have one let's have a look I believe this one I got a special one for you oh my Chuck has branched out into all sorts of crazy stories as you know and I've read some of them for those of you who are not familiar it's become a bit of a tradition and I just show up on EFAP and read the weirdest gay erotic imaginable written by a doctor Chuck Tingle although his credentials are questionable um but he does very strange stories recently he's branched out into doing classic English literature and putting a tingle twist on it so you've got things like Moby Butt and I have Moby Butt and I must pound so no just a bit of Athena Moby Butt is almost better like it's almost cleaner than the original I've already read Moby Butt when I've started doing streaming as well, mental um and so he hasn't done many film related ones because if you remember last year we had the ant man and Thanos butt sex escapades and Avengers themed one um so the closest I got was a Godzilla Kong three way homo sex epic you didn't have to get me anything for the person's 200 words of pure man on lizard on big foot action so for copyright reasons there is no Godzilla it's a giant t-rex and Kong is a big foot um but it's the usual tingle related stuff so I have that if people are interested I don't know chat doesn't seem very interesting I love Godzilla and I love King Kong so I request this wholeheartedly okay I'm ready I have some pizza here I'd hold off on the pizza pizza you want an empty stomach don't underestimate my powers he has a bucket it'll be fine bucket of Kong no alright then if there's no objections these things normally have a bit too much comment for me this is my kingdom come this is gonna have double the comment alright well if everyone is situated ready is everyone ready yet okay gather round and I shall tell you a tale this is King Dong versus Dong Zilla rumble in my butthole here we go everyone ready do this get my cup of tea I mean what would porn be without a cup of tea yeah I find that makes it fancier you know a Budweiser makes it a bit scummy but a cup of tea or a fine Chardonnay really goes well with your pornography smoke him if he got him crack open the can get ready for those of you who are underage as well you might want to cover your ears not a bad language not a bad language okay and for some of the ladies watching as well this story is so sexually potent you might get pregnant just listening to it so fair warning fair warning alright here we go we like hyping this up building the tension get a foreplay just don't thank you ma'am alright enough flushing around this is serious literature either mute your mics or be mature about gay sex I refuse I refuse I will be very mature sir I will appreciate the themes yes cinematic alright here we go you can't adapt this to the big screen that's for sure anyway hahaha oh you can try though hahaha as long as it's faithful that's me yeah right I think you might need an iMac screen hahaha it needs to be very fair 40x with bad dildos on the seat I fucking hate audio that just makes it worse for me anyway let's begin ok here we go chapter one there is only one chapter so don't worry oh I'm trying my hardest to relax which is pretty ironic when you think about it for most people taking it easy comes simple enough and after a long day of work these folks have no problem collapsing into a comfortable chair and chilling out with a cold glass of chocolate milk I wish I could do that but the habit eludes me even out here in the middle of nowhere toes in the sand as I gaze out across the brilliant blue ocean I can't seem to stop thinking about work the whole point of this vacation was to turn my mind off but it seems my own brain is my favourite pastime I'm always thinking always investigating and no tropical island vacation is going to stop that you see that lizard I question pointing over towards a nearby palm tree my friend and vacation partner Miller lowers her glasses sitting up a bit as she gazes towards a small patch of lush vegetation yeah what about it she asks this island is the only place in the world where that lizard exists I continue those three horns on its head are woefully unique sorry wholly unique my friend lets out a long sigh and leans back into a chair once more gazing up at the sun above she's not interested in the lizard apparently Cooper that sounds like work talk she retorts just observing I counter or a biologist she continues isn't it your job to observe animals that are unique to certain habitats I hasty I finally reply fine alright it's still a cool lizard Miller shakes her head I'm sorry I'm just trying to look out for you you said you didn't want any work talk during this trip so I'm trying to hold you to that for your own good if you want to tell me about the lizards then it's fine the awkward position I've put my friend in is not lost on me when we set out for this long weekend on the Pacific Ocean it was specifically framed as a way to turn off our brains and enjoy a few moments of peace this is wonderful in theory the problem I'm quickly encountering is that I don't hate my job is it overwhelming and exhausting and does it take up way too much of my time? sure but I don't hate it to tell you the truth observing unique changes based on habitat and external stimulus is utterly fascinating whether or not I'm getting paid for it are you sure I question double checking with Miller before I let loose another dire tribe about this cute little lizard your worst she finally replies well that third horn and the extra claws on its back legs are very specific to this location in fact you can see similar abnormalities in the birds on the island even a few species of fish that's not the interesting part though there are plenty of islands that host unique trait variants but very few them occur within the last 60 years I explain do you know what happened 60 years ago Miller shakes her head what happened? I point towards the glorious oceanscape before us if you were gazing out there 60 years ago today your eyes would be melted right out of your head this was a nuclear test site the evolution seen on this island is not natural it's a man made mutation Miller notes her expression gradually shifting into one of vague curiosity so some of them have sharp horns or extra claws what else I shrug it could be any number of things sometimes creatures develop tails or additional limbs or grow to incredible sizes you can see where this is going the second that I say this a deep and powerful tremor rumbles through the beach Miller and I grab a hold of the chairs below us as though that might stop these powerful quakes what the hell was that I blurt volcano? my friend and I glance back at the island behind us searching for any sign of smoke above the tropical tree line there's nothing unusual to be found but when our gaze returns to the vast ocean I'm immediately confused was that island there before I wonder aloud Miller's staring quietly her mind flooded with similar questions as we struggle to understand this fully formed land mass we've been enjoying this view for days now and an entirely new feature is more than a little shocking the two of us rise to our feet staring out at the water in shock and confusion gradually however our emotions transition wrangle sorry someone distracted me in this one yes sorry Miller's staring fucking hell sorry distracted Miller's staring quietly her mind flooded with similar questions as we struggle to understand this newly formed land mass we've been enjoying this view for days now and an entirely new feature is more than a little shocking the two of us rise to our feet staring out at the water in shock and confusion gradually however our emotions transition into something more visible and powerful fear the island is moving towards us and in a matter of seconds it becomes all too clear that this is not an island at all oh my god I've learnt the words falling out of my mouth with a dull thud my mind is screaming at my body to run but for some reason I can't force myself to actually perform this simple action I'm locked in a state of dumb founded fear as an enormous reptilian creature rises out of the water a tyranosaurus rex variant that is at least 40 times the normal size I case up at the creature as it shadows as it shadow envelop as it shadow envelops me the enormous beast is holding its head in its hands ah man the giant lizard groans I'm so tired how long was I asleep for the creature staggers a bit causing my heart to skip a beat as his giant foot flies over me and slams down just a few yards away he crushes a handful of palm trees under his weight ah I've gotta find some morning chocolate milk the enormous lizard continues with a groggy croak gazing up at him I can't help but find myself both terrified and attracted to this massive t-rex on one hand he seems disorientated enough to do some real damage he's only taken out a few trees on the beach so far but there's a city just a mile or two inland and who knows what could happen if he makes it there before gathering his senses one wrong step could be fatal on the other hand it's not like he's doing this on purpose the lizard is just confused and I'm trying not to hold that against him a species of t-rex this large could hibernate for decades and have a very difficult time understanding the world around them after waking up regardless there's no denying just how handsome this gigantic t-rexes featuring a perfectly sculpted body a kind smile and of course he's tall I'm also shocked at the incredible size of his member which swings so low it could destroy a city in its own right the enormous lizard stumbles again his giant foot swinging over the top of me Cooper let's go my friend cries out breaking through my trance finally my body springs into action following the commands of my brains the two of us take off running it's hard to predict where the massive creature above us will step but we do our best to avoid the shadows and stay clear of his giant hanging dong my friend and I sprint of the beach trail and find ourselves on a long stretch of road here a few cars have already been smashed flattened like tin cans under the footsteps of the behemoth creature I'm horrified to think about what might have happened to the people stuck inside these vehicles but breathe a sigh of relief when I see a couple on the side of the road who narrowly escaped they're clearly shaken up but at least they're still alive it appears the giant lizard has wandered off for a moment so we stop here to catch our breath and regroup the moment doesn't last long however what the hell mill of blerts pointed at my shoulder I turn around to see that in all the chaos and commotion a helicopter has landed nearby the vehicles blades are still spinning as a man in a suit runs towards us a deeply concerned look on his face Cooper Cleans the man asks yeah I stammer utterly shocked I'm agent Rimbo your work said that we'd find you here the man continues I'm sorry to interrupt your vacation time but you and your friend need to come with us I exchange glances with Miller who strikes in return the next thing I know we're running back towards the helicopter powerful wind blowing in our faces as we climb aboard the craft moments later it's taking off into the air blowing back the lush vegetation as it climbs higher and higher as we lift above the treeline we're treated to a clear view of this enormous lizard he's stacking around in another cove still trying to collect his bearings and leaving a horrific path of destruction he's still awake Dongzilla agent Rimbo says his eyes locked firmly on the monster wait what? I blurt you know what that thing is the man in the suit nods we've known it was down there under the ocean for a while sleeping waiting we didn't know if the T-Rex would ever wake up or what kind of mood he'd be in when he did seems we're lucky in some respects the monster is not angry let him say that the man in the suit nods unfortunately there's not enough chocolate milk in the world to bring Dongzilla out of a groggy semi-hybernation state so you wait for him to get over it on his own I question by then the entire island will be destroyed there's hundreds of thousands of people in the city well there is one other option the man in the suit offers that's why we came to pick you up I'm just a biologist you're THE biologist agent Rimbo replies you understand these rare species better than anyone so I want you to be the one who does the talking when we go to King Dong and ask him to step in my eyes go wide King Dong I repeat back the world's biggest bigfoot he's been out to the public eye for a while now and he's generally pretty grumpy if we come at this the wrong way then he's not gonna help it's someone who can talk to King Dong and get him to stop Dongzilla I take a moment to think about this of course I want to help and the fate of this island hangs in the balance but I have doubts about my capability I'm just a nobody in the face of these literal giants why would they ever listen to me suddenly a familiar hand is on my shoulder I turn to see Miller sitting next to me turned into the powerful emotions that are swimming through my mind she knows that I'm worried you've got this my friend says to reject these kind words but before I get a chance to deflect I alter course if my friend believes in me then I should be able to believe in myself I turn back to Agent Rimbo okay I'll talk to King Dong I reply just in time he retorts we're here I glance up to see we've travelled halfway across the island by now the helicopter approaches an enormous mountain range heading directly towards the mouth of a giant cave that's been hollowed out by a rocky cliff pace after a brief moment in the limelight during the 1980s King Dong came to this island to retire since then very little has been seen of the enormous bigfoot other than a few paparazzi shots of him hitting the links at a nearby golf course I would have never imagined meeting him in person our helicopter lands within the mouth of the cave and the blades slowly come to a stop I climb out of the vehicle and gaze up at the vast enormity of this dark jungle, amazed at its sheer size but also the fact it remained so hidden and tucked away the ground beneath me starts to rumble enormous footsteps approaching the group the others instinctively pull back hiding near the chopper in case a quick getaway is necessary but I take the exact opposite approach I step forward greeting the creature with as much confidence as I can muster I was chosen to do this for a reason now I'll put my faith in that I got ganchuin it fills the corner of the cavern shaking my aforementioned self-assurance to its very core still I hold strong refusing to show fear in the face of this massive beast what's up king dong questions a little irritated you guys setting off more bomb tests out there or what no I stammer what do you mean I was taking an app nor that shaking woke me up the enormous bigfoot offers I figured it was you actually there's a giant lizard named dongzilla who's raising hell I explain that's why we're here dongzilla seems a little confused at er waking up from his hibernation we figured you could have a talk with him the enormous bigfoot gazes down at me following his brow and who are you my name's Cooper I reply I'm a biologist king dong laughs biologist what am I some kind of animal I'm just a bigfoot do you realize how insulting it is I hadn't really considered that I reply I suppose you're right the enormous bigfoot let's out alongside it's fine it's fine listen I'm not all that happy about you guys coming to my cave and insulting me like this but the stomping around has got to stop I'll help you out the gang immediately erupts in cheers and applause king dong lowers his hand down to me you've got to help though he states firmly I climb up into the massive creature's palm I thought it was insulting to bring a biologist along well you're a very charming biologist king dong replies with a wink a wave of arousal immediately surges through me I have to admit once I got over just how massive this bigfoot was I started to recognize his innate attractiveness he's incredibly handsome and he wears his confidence well I just never thought he'd see anything in me now I'm starting to think he actually might the enormous bigfoot lifts me up and places me on his shoulder all right where's this giant lizard we glance over at agent Rimbaud he's heading towards the golf course the agent calls out king dong immediately tenses up oh fuck let's go the next thing I know we're climbing down from the cliffside with incredible speed and grace then making our way through the jungle of course Thu is probably the worst car of course Thu is probably the wrong word king dong is so enormous that we actually we're actually travelling over the trees the lush green tips barely reaching his knees of course king dong's massive rod is so large that he might need to worry about banging it along the way for my position on his shoulder I can see that the handsome bigfoot is much more careful than dongzilla taking his time and trying his best not to crush anything important beneath his massive feet I keep expecting these cross island journeys to take a while but king dong is so large that it's only a minute or two before dongzilla comes into view the enormous t-rex is still wobbling back and forth drawing dangerously close to the island's main city there he is I cry out pointing towards dongzilla king dong sees him immediately shaking his head from side to side in disappointment hey the bigfoot calls out where the hell's going on over there this deep rumbling vocalization immediately causes dongzilla to perk up and clench over in our direction his expression when a deep ache and confusion hey he's just trying to find some chocolate milk for a pick me up the massive lizard explains I'm super out of it maybe we can be super out of it away from the city king dong offers I'm sure it's hard to get started after hibernating under the ocean for so long but you've got to be safe dongzilla is still swaying from side to side a bit but the movement of his feet has ceased he lets out alongside then starts to walk in another direction before king dong yells out to stop him yet again not that way the massive bigfoot continues the golf course is over there king dong approaches and places his hand on dongzilla's shoulder in a gesture of comfort and companionship soon enough we're headed off into the jungle away from anyone who might accidentally end up beneath the feet of these enormous creatures king dong is smartly leading us to a vacant side of the island tucked away behind another mountainside eventually we stop listen there's not enough chocolate milk to perk you up king dong explains you're too big it's gonna take some time to get it together alright dongzilla replies sorry about that i just wish there was a faster way a little morning sex usually does the trick but my now ex flew away last week flew away king dong questions dongzilla nods he was an enormous prehistoric moth okay king dong replies suddenly all three of us plunge into an awkward silence it appears walls thinking the same thing but nobody wants to say it out loud as a biologist i'm well aware that many behaviour patterns trace back to sex it's one of the main engines that keeps us pottering along through this world and it's no wonder that after all this time hibernating the second thing dongzilla considers doing to perk him up is find a good fuck once again i realise there's a reason i was chosen for this mission i may not be the size of these behemoth creatures but i have a huge heart and an insatiable ass i think i may be able to help you with that i offer dongzilla with a mischievous smile the massive creature may be a little groggy during his pre-chocolate milk morning routine but he has no problem picking up what i'm putting down immediately look at the giant lizard raises a flirtatious eyebrow i like the sound of that he cools me too offers king dong chiming in not a bad way to start the day suddenly king dong and dongzilla are kissing one another passionately their hands roaming one another's bodies enthusiastically for my place on king dong's shoulder i have no problem running over them the three of us making out with reckless abandon we continue like this for a while as the massive creatures learn the topography of one another's bodies their giant hands starting at each other's chest and abs then making their way lower and lower while i'm too small to participate i've got an incredible view as i lean over the edge of king dong's shoulder from up here i can see that cocks have swollen into massive rockets of flesh projecting away from their bodies at full attention the flaccid side of king the flaccid size of king dong and dongzilla was already impressive enough but now that they're fully engorged i can't take my eyes of them their massive cocks bump and grind against one another playfully sword fighting in a glorious erotic display i just can't take it anymore i love to watch but my desire for participation has overwhelmed me completely bring me down there i whisper into king dong's ear i want to stroke you off the enormous big foot reaches up and takes me in his hand gently lowering me down to their massive rods i open my arms wide and wrap myself around the creature's member hanging on tight while he groans loudly i'm sitting on top of his dick trying not to fall off and plummet to my death and from here i can actually reach out and touch dongzilla's enormous member as well unfortunately i can't pump myself across their lengths very easily but the massive lizard solves this problem by reaching down and carefully taking me between his fingers soon enough the t-rex is pumping me across his length and as though i'm some kind of sentient sex toy a body a warm sheath for both of them to enjoy the two giant monsters are groaning loudly clearly having the time of their lives as the erotic tension builds between them of course they're not the only ones with powerful erotic feelings blossoming up from deep within with every pulse of my frame across their shafts i can feel my cock aching for more i'm rock hard pressed against the flesh of their enormous members and sensing the friction across my entire form fuck! oh fuck! i start to groan my broad starting to twitch as i'm flooded with escalating sensation i can feel the first trembling hints of orgasm as they blossom in the pit of my stomach spilling out across my body with every passing second these carnal feelings grow filling me completely i realize now that i could come at any second and this thought sends a wave of alarm and fear crashing through my consciousness as wonderful as it sounds to orgasm right here and now we've only just begun this hardcore encounter it's one thing in particular i'd like to try before our sexual rollercoaster comes to an end wait! i cry out the massive creature stops staring down at me i want you to fuck me in the ass i demand at the same time king dong and dongzilla exchange skeptical glances i'm not sure if you can take it dongzilla offers apologetically sounds it might not be in the cards oh i can take it just you wait dongzilla shrugs then reaches down and takes me in his scaly green hand he carefully holds me upright as the enormous creature lays down onto his back crashing an entire sway the forest in his wake once in position he places me on top of his stomach behind me the monsters utterly enormous member waits rock hard and ready for action trembling with excitement i strip out my clothing and toss it to the side my furry nude form exposed to the warm island air i can see dongzilla's cock throb with excitement as he gets a good look at my body and i use this moment to sway my hips from side to side for him showing off once again i'm good and ready i climb down onto my hands and knees in the doggy style position i begin to back myself up towards the massive lizards aching member i feel him pushing against the puckered rim of my back door now it's time to relax i think closing my eyes and letting go of any tension that i might still hold from earlier in the day i take a deep breath and let it out focusing on the moment then move backwards a little more i let out a startled yell as dongzilla's cock enters me stretching my body to its absolute limits i'm completely full stuffed to the brim across the reptilian's giant enormous cock it takes a moment for me to adjust to his size and during this time he don't move a muscle eventually however the two of us start to grind against one another rocking our bodies as the aching fullness engulfs me it's not long before dongzilla and i have found a steady rhythm the two of us hammering away is the sensation of pleasure spewed through my nervous system i'm so caught up in the moment that i barely notice king dong climbing down into position behind me it's only when his gigantic shadow blocks out the sun that i turn around to see him aligning his rod at the entrance of my already filled back door do it i snarl double fuck my ass with those giant dicks of yours king dong doesn't need to be told twice slamming forward and impaling me across his member in the glorious double anal penetration king dong and dongzilla immediately fall into sync with one another pushing in and out of my body like a well oiled machine this could have easily turned into a competition for king of the monsters but the rumble in my butthole is a decidedly team effort we're all committed to providing each other with most pleasure as possible oh my god oh my god i start repeating over and over again the words falling out of my mouth in blissful mantra as the beasts continue slamming into me as king dong and dongzilla hammer away at my prostate i reach down and grab a hold of my swollen cock i take myself off in time with their powerful thrusts the ache within me growing larger and larger until i just can't take it anymore i throw my head back and let out a frantic howl as hot white jizz erupts from the head of my cock splattering across dongzilla's lime green chest it appears the massive creatures are on a similar timeline because seconds later they're erupting with orgasms of their own oh fuck i'm gonna come king dong cries out the enormous bigfoot pushes into me and holds expelling a massive torrent of spunk his seed is much more than my ass can take and soon enough it's squirting out from the edge of my tightly packed rim godzilla comes next thrusting deep and blasting me full of his own milky payload the spunk from this giant bigfoot and enormous t-rex swirls within me a creamy cocktail of that spills everywhere when the two of them pull out of my ass i collapse onto dongzilla's stomach while king dong takes a seat next to us catching his breath dongzilla sits up a bit careful not to knock me off i feel great the massive reptile office sorry about earlier i wasn't quite myself mornings can be like that i reply empathically now that everything's sorted let's see a little time rebuilding what was destroyed dongzilla nods i'd be happy to you know i came to this island to focus on something other than work and i think this definitely qualifies hehe i say with a laugh you're a biologist king dong interjects sex is a big part of biology i guess you're right i can see it the difference is this normally i'm thinking about the why and for while there was there i was just getting it happen that's called being present king dong offers it's okay to consider the why of course but sometimes you just need to enjoy the moment it's all about balance dongzilla chimes in these parts of our lives don't need to be at odds with each other it might be your first instinct to see them as two sides of a battle that they can also exist in harmony you might be surprised at how nice it is like king dong and dongzilla i reply with a smile some say that love is the soul of books and what better way to show a little love than oh sorry i'm gonna see the next story haha that was it that was it oh my god that was hot wow is that a part of a saga then with all these big movie monsters filming this is the monsters to medic universe yeah i mean they it was a good story but it was a bad adaptation i would agree with that i don't remember any of that shit happening but whiz rodan i need him rodan i wanna see what rodan does with dongzilla expansion i like that it tried to have a lesson that we all could learn at the end like i said i was in it for the themes yes there are other portions that some people may find disturbing but i'm gunning for what i appreciate the most about family is also powerful about it the wholesome um pale of connection i think yes i think you need that to be in fighting over adaptations see you should all be present just enjoy things let's not get broke down with the details see if we have 150 let's have fun well i mean speaking of which we still gotta kill murder if you will 20 to 38 minutes so i figure we could i got a few more a few more efat meme videos oh yeah so um if everyone's either i don't know if everyone's still here or if they're just blown away by that story we got a bit of a standing ovation from chat there they were clapping they were very they thought it was incredible work i guess there's a complex there's lots of reactions in chat i wouldn't want to summarize them you know incorrectly passionate what was the first reaction first i think the original prime reaction it could have been the virus face of disgust but it could also have been the kum have you seen the kum emoji um where it's like a sweating emoji i don't know what it's called oh yeah yeah i don't know i don't remember it's not it's not just no not that it's like a red emoji it's an emoji that's like clearly got almost like a heat rash chat let's post it and then be like there it is oh they'll be sweating would it not what is that one called is it kuma overheating maybe overheating because it looks like he's boiling up something's funny it's called hot face nice hot face well there you go see lots of hot faces in chat that's interpretable why am i your goatee person to know that why would you ask that question i don't understand i don't understand why i would know hot face emoji that you would even ask why so anyway if you're all in this little room we can check out a few other videos that'll probably lead us up to the finale the end of efap 150 um i don't know how many have metal die in them but we'll try and choose them based on that yeah hey this one's called metal tries to give a speech efap anniversary special i'm not aware of that one i'm excited don't let me stop you metal keep going don't let me get in the way of you letting loose all of your opinions playing for me out onto the pod is it not for any of you know what let me reset the room oh stuff supposed to be playing yeah there's nothing playing well open it in an incognito tab that usually fixes it for me there's a new room anyway this one's this one's old you know yeah there's all corpses in there now stanking up the room wouldn't want that fucking gross you know what we'll be so fresh welcome to hwoosh together version 2 you know we use the same one for most of the streams we're impressed rags we have approximately about 20 minutes left before we hit the time i was here for all of that but i was muted and i didn't know prove it where did longzilla put his dongle kong in the biologist's ass oh my god it's true all of it's true we had about 20-30 minutes to kill and that the room wasn't working and it wasn't working for me either well i'm gonna be honest i didn't actually listen to this cat said like rags muted or rags something and so i was like no i'm here i was talking this whole time and he's like oh now i'm now i'm sad oh shit everyone's already in wow okay well let's see if it's does this video show up for you guys or is it still yes yeah there we go alrighty there god damn it wait is that true do you not see it oh no i don't know oh you're in the other room we're in a different room wow cat we doing oh i see it this one's called metal tries to give a speech metal tries to give a speech alright uh don't let me stop you metal keep going don't let me get in the way of you letting loose all of your opinions out onto the podcast just keep on going say what you need to say leave no stone turned leave no opinion unspoken you go ahead so off you go say it do it you got this you're the face that might oh no oh no how are they able to get this audio from you metal uh that was requested it was very hard oh no oh yeah it's pretty neat that actually that'll happen it well that's not like some me or anything that's that's just on stage you never know audio from some guy in world war two world war two i was very very very angry when that happened it was very distraught i noticed the uh you have the green body again you got the frog body gorgeous we got uh molla and gary's twilight experience twilight ruined vampires for me i just kind of zoned out while i was in the theater and just kind of laughed at it oh you went to the theater and saw those i'm the world's most dangerous predator everything about me invites you in my voice shouldn't make fun of twilight they are great movies please f**king f**k that s**t f**k it right in its ear hole oh my you know were you at a dark night riser screening right joe's funny about that what is me and my dad went to see a different movie we f**ked up the times we're an hour late so we decided to see something else because we couldn't wait and uh all i knew i was such a naive little boy i was like ah i love me some vampires underworld, buffy, blade what's the synopsis such a town with vampires and that this girl is getting targeted or something and i was like oh yeah okay that's all right and when they started sparkling in that cinema i was like yeah and even my dad was like this uh this is a bit he made vampires sparkle god damn it it didn't start to sparkle fun fact my dad made exactly the same mistake really i'm sorry to think that your guys just have gay dads so he just bought he just came home oneself saying i've got a cool film for us to watch and he like brings out a twilight dvd and i'm like okay where's this going i'm ready for there to be like the joke it's like dad why do you have a twilight dvd and he goes well it's a cool film i thought we could watch it i'm like do you know what it's about he's like yeah it's a vampire movie he's just like somehow he managed to acquire a twilight dvd i don't know point the information of like the tone or the actual like the actual story had had penetrated his brain he just thought it was a cool vampire flick cool and popular vampire flick easy mistake it was very cool and very popular it was popular i think so too this is called lego e-fap 2 the australia argument oh okay oh my god you know i was chatting with the nps guy just the other day and he said you know what i love this job i guess it's just metal it takes fucking forever and it's just it makes me want to quit those long tunnels under the ocean that they have to drive there to which are actually just curves that lead you back to europe because australia isn't real just man i hate using those it's just a boring trip and i don't know if the rest of the job wasn't so great i'd quit we always give the new guys australia like the chat he seems very adamant about australia duty being kind of crap i think i'm saying him when we know that it was here we will we will sign we will sign with the ups man until there was no ups man do you understand i don't know what he is taking a poop on the working class i was going to say for you why don't you believe in their experience ups we just you must you must you you should check with the frog council and they will tell you what lies to say you must go oh mighty frog council oh council of frogs tell me what must i say that's it'd be like rivet would be rivety rivety that's the sound they make so so when you describe them as hippity hoppity that's okay but when you say some of your neighbors you know who stands in doorways they get worried about you doorways are openings in the walls that are used for the transversal realm of those walls it's an architectural structure that was not designed for you not to progress and regress through them really weird because your neighbors said that they saw you speaking to this nonexistent ups man you were like oh hey ups man how you doing i call it by his name suspicious it is suspicious to talk to people so my neighbor what's his name he would rather not have that disclose it's interesting because i only have one neighbor and it's a woman oh now who's the fraud rivety rivety i don't want to get back i really like the chat on that a lot of folks i love it i really like that that's great please stop saying that this is more surreal but cerebral It's called the Snyder Wombo. Mr. Real, bro? Oh, no. What happened to my arms? You have all butterfly wigs. Do you plan on doing a breakdown of Zack Snyder's Justice League, like TLJ and TFA? Oh, no. Oh, hey, oh my.  Oh! You're the deaths.  That's not... You got my take on it, okay? I've already done that. It's dead! It's dead, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't have... I wouldn't enjoy that, making that, I don't think. Wombo, this is the end of the video. Go away, natural.  What's happening? I don't know. So that was an experience. What? They can't use... Someone took the time to make that. Yes, they did. Five games of the throne. I mean, you warned us that it was more cerebral. I did. That was the purpose of that, yeah. This is cinema. Yes. I'm not going to read this one out. You just have to appreciate how this all happens, okay? It's edited. It's just a conversation that was had on a catch-up. And you know what? You never answered the Teletubby's question. Oh, yes. Well, I don't know who the back to get... Back Yardsman or something? Back... The Back Yardigans. Oh, that was it. Yeah, I don't know who they are, so I can't guess. That was the one with Tyrone the Moose. Tyrone the Moose. There was like a... There was a... A penguin, so that's cool. There's a penguin. That was cool. The penguins are cool. I don't remember... Austin... The Yardigans... Dead?  Why would that be popping up? Austin the Back Yardigans dead. Oh, that's the one. Yeah, he's a... Oh, I think he's a kangaroo. You like that, Pringy?  Oh, a purple kangaroo? Yeah, let me show you. Yeah, please do. I need to know about this.  Oh, god.  That'll look like a kangaroo at all. Just because he's got the... The ears and the tail. There are other features of kangaroos. Name three. Uh, the... So the pouch would be the most obvious one. Dude, now let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Do only the females have pouches? Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's almost certain. One out of three. It says zero out of three. Okay, we're back to zero out of three. Well, they are known for their pouches, but only females have pouches. I just googled it. All I have to do is ask, do only female K and it auto-fills it because Google knows what's up. I'm in the marketplace of ideas. Okay. So the next big thing would be kangaroos have pretty distinctive arms. That's one and legs. That's two. Yeah, because the little ones up top are kind of smallish. They're smaller, but they're long enough to reach. They got little T-rex arms. Yeah, the big old... And they got chungus legs. They got chungus legs. Yeah.  I didn't know that. That's something I know. Something I know. And I bet it's because... Hold up. What? I just got an image of a kangaroo. It's clearly a male and what formally was bald. Now it's all starting to make sense. I think it's because it's jumping around all the time, you know? And if you're jumping around, they've got... So, I guess both male and female kangaroos have pouches. So, yeah, I guess I make sense of your... Wow, the delay on that one. This is the sound to get from Australia to be in America. No, I was walking in the fire. I was laughing at the fact that men who spat out his drink. Because it was so funny. Did you know that a young kangaroo is called a joey? I knew that. Of course. What do you mean, of course? You didn't know about the ball thing. I didn't know about the ball thing because it's not really a particularly important thing. Neither is knowing that a juvenile kangaroo is called a joey. But, you know what's really cool is it says here... The reason why I know that they're called a joey is because in the Scouts in Australia, at least the one that I was part of, the joey was like, when you were a kid, before you joined the proper Scouts. That was the name for them. So, over here, the top rank is eagle. Over there, is it like Wallaby or Koala? Well, Wallaby was second up, so you were a joey first, then you were a Wallaby.    A Jaegerminch, right? A hunter man? But, as I was saying, what's really cool... is the classic E-Fap throwback is, for the true fans, that joey's are just... they're born about just about an inch long, 2.5 centimeters at birth, or just about the size of a grape, which means that a Jaegeroo is basically a weird grape. You could say that. That's a good reference. Someone asked... Oh, my goodness. Okay, you're on deck. I don't know what the funniest was about to happen. Oh, no. I just have to Oh, my God. I'm having trouble. I'm tickling. Oh, God.  Oh, my God. I was on TV. Did you see me? I didn't even know what that badge looked like. Played totally straight by everyone in the organization.  You reached the rank of balls above wagons. I think it was horrible. Oh, no.  No, because you're bouncing around. You're king crew.  There's probably more ergonomics to have the balls above the wagons.  Oh, my God. Oh, my little fluffy tum tum hurts so much. You probably won't be able to put on stream, but like there's actually you cousins.  So I think we're fine showing animal genitals. We don't have to though. Yeah, I'm going to vote no on that one. So if you start in scouts you start in scouts with balls below wagons. Did you see the little medals? Yeah.    That's how you establish dominuses. An interesting day. It's a something. Matt, look, Ryan's kind of lost here. Okay. Matt, some mean Ryan today, Jesus. Okay. Fun times.  Congratulations on 24 hours, by the way. Oh my God, is it real? Wait, wasn't it 9 hours plus 840 hours, which was Well, here's an easier way to do it more than we started. 25 hours ago and we took an hour collectively of break. So it's been 24 hours. I want to give it down to the minute. They're all recorded on my end to actual numbers. We can't get this wrong. It'll haunt us forever. So wait, if it was 840 plus 9, that was 1740, right? Which leaves 220 plus 4, 20. Which means we're three minutes away. I've got something I can move those three minutes along with real quick. I thought we could have just had a chat, but you know, okay, fine. That's fine. Just something a little funny. I needed to listen to something during that whole video. So I was like, no one's really saying anything. I'll mute the watch together for a bit. And there's just complete silence for a second. And then just tear metal sort of go... That's the only noise that comes out of my headphones for like a solid three seconds. It's busy, okay? Sounds cute. In every way imaginable. Yeah, that is... For us, it's actually like 25 hours, but only have been live for that long, you know, just under 24, so... Can hear the sleep deprivation in your voice. I'd imagine so. I'd imagine so. I'm really looking forward to going to sleep. You know those sleeps when you really need to go to sleep? They're the best. Oh, yeah. I'm very tired. I'm doing way better than I thought I would. I'm doing... I'm feeling pretty great. I'm doing A-okay. You guys just want to do another 24?  You know how they are. You know how they are. They're going to be like, oh my God. They'll have a couple more stories. My God, Rags said, and he's one of the hosts. So he says it, then that means something and stuff. I'm too incoherent to carry on once we post that mock, you know? See, now they're all saying do it. What would you rather they say? No, no more, please. Yeah, I would rather them say, you guys need to take care of yourselves. Make sure you have a good sleep and we'll happily wait for when you're revitalized to make some more content below. Yeah. I saw how we don't need you Mueller. Stream for 24 hours tomorrow to make fun of me. I'm retreating into my lair after this. What if you give the stream to me and Mel to just... We can own it from now on. Well, like... It could be like a franchise. Like a Hardee's. Yeah, we won. That's down the mantle of eFap. Yeah, like you can franchise out certain times. It could be intense. 14 people and you take 12 hours per week and you cycle through them a lot and it's just a constant stream. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that could work. I honestly feel like... Well, I think there are some Twitch channels that try that, I think, where they trade. Yeah, I think so. Wasn't Rocket Beans one of the channels that was constantly live? It was almost like professional. They would have like shows, talk shows and they would skip to like game play and stuff. Yeah. That's a German channel. Did they do English content? I don't know if they ever did English content. What do Germans know about rockets? For a little while there was... For a little while there was like streamer houses were like the big thing and... constant. It was literally the same computer and someone else would just come in and sit down and take over the stream. Well, there's some streams where you watch someone sleeping as well. So you could constantly streaming but you also show you sleeping as well. That's really exciting.  It has been four minutes since you said three minutes. Yes, we have passed the 24-hour mark. It is complete. What a journey. We covered what was that? Was it three videos? Four? They were really bad though. It was two in the first one. Was it one in the second one? EFEV.DEMISES It's four videos. We did four. How about that? I trust EFEV.ME more than myself in my current state. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I didn't actually get to do any of those videos. So I was kind of looking forward to the What's-Her-Face one. I got six seconds of it. Oh, the Grace one? Yeah. Oh, it was to watching that one. I haven't seen part one yet. I came in very briefly and everyone was screaming at Grace. It was great. I missed hearing about how Martin Scorsese... Wait, what about? I will never know. Oh yeah, that video. It was a great conflict in this stream. It was wonderful. The Martin Scorsese... Oh, battling chat forever on Scorsese's retarded comments about cinema. But it was fine. I still love his work. As we said before, still love his work. Still a great filmmaker. It's okay. Yeah, you know what? We got through a whole bunch of meme videos. That was good, Shin. Yeah, we did and a lot of them were very good. And you know what? The film was pretty damn good. The article was great. We had some really great rounds. I'll have to practice in my downtime to keep my garlic phone skills sharp. Unless be fair, the video of Grace Randolph, that was a journey going through that whole thing. How long did we take to get through it? Was it like five hours or something? Well, I...  And then she went to something else. It was torture. It was a real fun time. Thank you so much to all of the guests. Of course, people are going to be like, wait, but it was blah, blah, blah, blah. Different things happen on this day. It's just like every year. Sometimes people... There were some people that I was literally planning on getting on as soon as they're available. But then different things get in the way. No promises. It's unfortunate. I couldn't grab some of the people I really wanted to have.  It's wonderful to have some fun times. We are the ones you really want to have.  Well, if you guys came on, that could also mean I really wanted you here. I wouldn't be an exclusive mullab. I wanted you here, Jane.  I'm not really upset. I needed you for your content when I needed to go get my nuggies. I needed a video. I think someone in chat when we were doing that did say, guys, this is still stealing content. They'll say, oh, no. I mean, I just, if anyone's wondering, I agree to that and specifically made the video for the stream. Jay's line, send him many, many DMs on all of his social media accounts and email addresses. And I would also say that, um, that's Jay. Jay made the video. Go check out Jay. Was it Fringy or me? So I was like, you should have cut Jay off before you could talk about his stuff. That's the correct way to do it. I think Fringy said that.  We did put our commentary into the top quality commentary, though. I just wish I had the actual nuggies, you know? I just made it complete. Um, yeah. Tracks can be your nuggies. The plan going forward. I'll be your little orange nuggie. Um, yeah. The plan going forward is we're going to EFAP 101 and possible catch-ups that's going to be dedicated to trying to catch up with the Superchats came through this whole thing. I'm going to put them all in one big thing and we're just going to, you know, ride right through them. EFAP ain't stopping anytime soon. And, um, you know, of course, thank you so much for all of, for all the stuff you've done, you wonderful audience, it's not even really possible for me to sort of label them. We're talking videos, images, music, fucking... lots of just interactions of different artworks coming together to make things and stuff. It's wonderful.  Just, I get, it's a passion project, right? Because you love the onion, but still lots of wonderful work and impressive, and I haven't been able to show it all. Obviously, we'll try and set up another meme fap as well and get all different kinds of bits and bobs. And thank you so much, of course, for the donations and hanging out with us. Um, and as I said, thank you, of course, to all the guests. It's hard for me to know, I guess I could find on EFAP. Don't I mean, how long everyone's been around for?  Yeah, we've got loads of like eight hours, nine hours. Apparently that rags more than Fringy Guy. They stayed the longest. I don't know. It feels like it. It feels like it.  Um, but yeah, uh, well, what else is there to say? I feel like there's something, maybe I'm missing something. I don't know. What do you guys reckon? Um, special thanks to you and Rags Coke dealer for supplying you with the best stuff to keep you awake for over 24 hours. What about Fringy? Yeah. What about his Coke dealer? I guess Fringy's goo is probably the substitute. I don't know. You won't tell me. I don't know if that was the case. Anyway. Wow. Well, um, yeah, whatever I wanted to work because I'm exhausted. I just want to say, um, uh, I'm just having a lot of fun with all this EFAP stuff. Like I've been on a lot this past year. I think the most things I ever did with you guys before that, I think.  Yeah. And I might always say I want to kill myself. I've been watching stuff, but it's actually really fun. I might often be depicted killing myself. That sounds so true. That happens a lot now as well. Uh, yeah, I just, uh, it's just a favorite thing to do for me at the moment. Oh, no. Especially killing myself. Yeah, I'm going to do it right now. Listen. Uh, no, it's just, uh, thanks for having me all the time. And I guess Chad is still not sick of me. I'm guessing. So that's, that's nice to know. Uh, yeah. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm actually, I'm really planning to push for the whole content creation stuff now because look, I'm kind of sick of this normal work stuff. I kind of hate it. What? No. And, uh, just, uh, and every time we do like this media stuff, it's like, yeah, this is, I want to do this stuff. Uh, I don't know how long it's going to take me. Uh, I'm going to put it in the discord. But yeah, that's, yeah, so I'm thankful. It's good stuff. I like it. Always good to have you around. What was that? Should we, um, plug the plushies? One last time? Someone reminded me in the discord because it's, it's still not, I'm not, I don't think about plugging stuff. So to speak. So it's just not something in my mind that I, that I think about, you know, having to have in their homes that you keep close to them in the dark, in the light, in the kitchen, in the bathroom, in the tub, in the mode, in the half a bath, in the washroom, in the dryer, in the hall, in their house. Because it's really amazing. Hey, if you're not going to do it, I will. I was going to say, do you want to do it? Oh, yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what I want. So everybody, um, while it will help me out as needed, but makeshift, they're really cool. They're, they made plushies of myself and of Mahler. They created stuffed um, toys in our image and they look really, really cool. Let me get some links handy because it'll just take a second. Um, there is myself and there's Mahler and it's, it's a limited time deal. So I think there's like 17 days left. I think 16, 17 days left. I don't know, time is not working right. Um, and after that they're gone forever. These are the, the Primo Gen 1 plushies of Mahler and Rags. They're really high quality. They look fantastic. They sent me a sample and it is perched atop my PC a very prestigious place in this household. I will say looks fantastic. It's really high quality stuff. Super adorable, very cuddly extremely collectible and also very, very viable at the links that are currently going through Thanks Thunder that are currently in the chat. He's putting the Rags one in and he'll probably put the Mahler one in as well. But they're really, they're really crazy. They're really great. If you buy both of them if you buy the complete first generation EFAP plushie set you get 10% off at checkout. So you don't want your plushie to have the sadds and not have a buddy and also it will save you the Dosh Mula. So there you go. That's like three good reasons right there. Take a look at them. They're legitimately really neat. I kind of adore mine. It's really amazing. You all should buy them and get them and it helps us out a bunch helps the channel and helps us invest back into things and we really, really appreciate it. Yeah, Mahler what else would you say about them if you had to super cuddly limited offer not super exclusive because of that. They're really neat if you ever thought you might want one think about like the potential for even gifting. I don't know I was just thinking of like outside the box what could be possibly cover that we haven't already they're pretty neat and I don't know it's kind of like the favorite bit of mission dice we've ever done I think because they turned out so well so if you guys turned out amazing if you guys are interested I just want to stress obviously they'll be gone after 16 days that's all so when we return in a week's time we will probably let you know again and then a week after that we'll let you know again and then that'll be it we'll be gone after that.