Baiklah. Jadi bagaimana semua orang berasa bersama? Berasa bersama baik? Kamu berasa berasa dan menggantikan untuk menggantikan industri sejujurnya? Bagaimana siapa berasa bersama? Sampai siap. Bermasuk. Bersama orang berasa bersama. Baiklah. Jadi saya harap kamu sekarang sangat berasa bersama untuk belajar sejujurnya jika ia benar-benar dapat menggantikan industri sejujurnya tanpa sebuah CsD. Apa yang orang tengok pada perniagaan? Berapa banyak orang mencari perniagaan? Atau menggantikan. Bagus. Saya akan beritahu semua peminat kamu. Periksa. Baiklah. Sekarang kita akan bergerak ke perniagaan kita apabila kita mempunyai empat peminat. Untuk berkongsi lebih banyak tentang apa yang sederhana dan terbaik pada perniagaan apabila ia mencari perniagaan dalam industri sejujurnya. Jadi sekarang mari kita berikan aplikasi bersama empat peminat. Kita keluar bersama. Bagaimana dengan peminat peminat? Peminat peminat peminat. Dia akan ambil peminat kerana ia peminat peminat peminat. Kamu tak perlu menggantikan gambar kamu hanya mengatakan, hanya sejujurnya kamu menangis. Jadi semua kamu ada mic di dalam sejujurnya. Jadi pastikan mengikuti yang ia di atas. Mari kita mulakan. Jadi hari ini kita akan bercakap lagi, seperti yang saya menyebut awal, apa yang beberapa peminat terbaik, apa peminat peminat peminat peminat apabila ia menyebut, bagaimana kamu boleh berdiri dan perspektif perempuan. Maaf, nanti mungkin. Jadi kita akan... ia akan lebih banyak peminat peminat peminat. Saya akan tanya pertanyaan. Tapi kita akan mempunyai Q&A selepas peminat ini. Jadi jelaskan untuk memikirkan pertanyaan semasa kita bercakap dengan beberapa perkara. Jadi mari kita mulakan dengan peminat peminat. Untuk siapa kamu berada di depan dan sedikit tentang perkara yang kamu bekerja. Helo. Hai. Maaf. Saya tidak bercakap sepanjang masa ini. Jadi nama saya Starshell. Saya telah berada di industri selama 23 tahun ini. Jadi... 25 tahun. Saya bekerja di ASB Digital. Saya adalah peminat peminat peminat yang berusaha untuk membuat peribadi yang berlaku. Tapi sebabnya saya memilih peminat ini adalah kerana orang kedua untuk menjawab pertanyaan. Itu adalah strategi yang terbaik. Tapi kamu tahu saya boleh tanya kamu. Jadi nama saya Loh Shen. Saya bekerja di Zendes. Saya bekerja di software selama 20 tahun. Dan... sebab saya bekerja di Zendes kerana menjelaskan keadaan. Saya memutuskan kerana peribadi sangat compak. Dan mereka perlukan seseorang yang perlu menjelaskan keadaan. Jadi saya merupakan keadaan yang lebih tinggi dan yang sepatutnya saya menjelaskan beberapa tahun. Jadi itu adalah bagaimana yang saya dapat menjelaskan. Hai. Saya Xihuan. Saya bekerja di Rekriping Tech di Facebook sekarang. Dalam masa beberapa tahun, saya menghubungi kali-kali di Lysha. Jadi dalam masa beberapa tahun saya menjelaskan Kami akan mempunyai sebuah penerbangan di Facebook. Hai, semua. Saya Jillian. Saya adalah seorang penerbangan penerbangan di Bomich. Bomich adalah seorang penerbangan penerbangan yang sangat cepat, dan mempunyai masalah untuk penerbangan penerbangan, dan juga untuk menerbangan juga. Jadi saya bermula di Bomich sekitar dua tahun lalu. Sebelum itu, saya rasa saya tidak dapat menerbangan sekarang. Saya rasa saya tidak dapat menerbangan sekarang. Tidak lama lagi. Jadi saya mempunyai penerbangan penerbangan di sisi komputer yang bergerak ke tempat penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan. Jadi kita perlu berkongsi lebih banyak daripada mereka untuk mencari untuk bekerja dalam tech, tetapi juga tidak menerbangan dalam tempat penerbangan. Awak juga penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan terakhir, kan? Awak juga penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan terakhir, kan? Ya, jadi setelah saya mempunyai penerbangan... Saya rasa saya pernah menjadi penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan selama lima tahun, dan kemudian saya memperkenalkan lebih banyak ke keadaan. Selepas saya memperkenalkan dari sekolah, saya membuat banyak keputusan dan melalui satu tahun sehingga saya mempunyai penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan. Saya rasa saya menerbangan keadaan dan menerbangan saya akan menerbangan oleh banyak perniagaan dan sebagainya. Tapi saya juga mahu membuat perniagaan, jadi perniagaan pertama yang saya mulakan dengan cepat adalah penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan. Ya, itu sangat teruk. Sebelum kita memperkenalkan pertanyaan yang lain, saya ingin beritahu bahawa ini sebenarnya penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan penerbangan terakhir. Kerana kita biasanya hanya mempunyai penerbangan penerbangan. 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Jadi, kami telah menerima banyak filtasi sebelum kita memulai orang, dengan sebuah CV dan sebagainya. Selepas itu, kami akan pergi sebuah ruang dan kemudian kami membuat dua ruang, dan kemudian mereka mungkin akan berada sebelum kita membeli dan membeli. Jadi, ada banyak lagi perusahaan dan perusahaan daripada itu. Kami mahu pastikan dalam termasuk berpengalaman dan kultur. Perusahaan dan perusahaan tidak sepatutnya, hanya untuk berpengalaman dan perusahaan. Untuk melihat bagaimana perusahaan dan perusahaan di mana kita perlu berpengalaman dan perusahaan. Jadi, mungkin saya akan membeli ruang untuk sekejap. Selepas itu, saya mahu mendengar dari perusahaan di Facebook sebagai perusahaan besar. Seperti yang saya katakan, saya telah membeli perusahaan dan perusahaan di Facebook. Jadi, saya akan membeli perusahaan dan perusahaan dan perusahaan dan perusahaan. Untuk perusahaan dan perusahaan, kami membeli dua ruang untuk berpengalaman dan perusahaan dengan BC. Jadi, kami membeli perusahaan dan perusahaan di online. Kami hanya membeli ruang untuk berpengalaman. Jadi, kami akan bercakap dengan satu perusahaan di BC dan berpengalaman dan perusahaan. Dalam perusahaan dan perusahaan, kami akan meminta beberapa perusahaan dengan kisah. Kami akan membeli perusahaan yang berlaku dengan kisah dan juga, kami akan membeli perusahaan dan perusahaan. Jadi, kami akan membeli dua atau tiga perusahaan yang benar-benar membeli perusahaan. Dan ke�isannya dan perusahaan itu akan berlaku dengan kisah atau ada keputusan yang lebih baik. Jadi, kami akan mengangkatkan kami perlu dapat mengangkat untuk membebaskan perusahaan. Jadi, kami ada dua ruang untuk itu. Kita mengambil perusahaan dan perusahaan. Jika semua rancangan mempunyai feedback positif, kita akan bergerak ke perjalanan yang tidak teruk, yang merupakan perjalanan FOO, yang mempunyai 4 perjalanan. 45 menit setiap, akan ada dua perjalanan lagi. Pada perjalanan FOO, anda tidak akan mempunyai komputer lagi. Semua perjalanan FOO akan diberi di atas perjalanan. Jadi, perjalanan FOO akan diberi di atas perjalanan. Kecuali pada perjalanan FOO, kita akan ada dua perjalanan berdasarkan untuk bintang perjalanan. Jadi kita mungkin untuk bina pasangan perjalanan atau 22.00 perjalanan. Sekiranya kita akan membuat perjalanan, bagaimana kita akan membuatnya? Kepada perjalanan terakhir, belakang akan menjadi perjalanan perjalanan. Perjalanan perjalanan adalah lebih daripada pelajaran. Kami akan bercakap tentang pengalaman lalu, keperluan-keperluan, keperluan-keperluan, keperluan-keperluan Jadi lebih banyak keperluan-keperluan anda daripada teknik Proses pengalaman ini tidak terlalu lama Kami hanya bercakap dengan telefon untuk berjumpa dengan 4 orang yang berbeza Sebenarnya, ia sangat mudah Sebenarnya, ia sangat mudah Berapa banyak orang yang sangat menghargai kerja dan bekerja sebagai pengalaman? Saya tidak tahu tentang kamu, tetapi saya menghargai keperluan-keperluan menghargai pengalaman Jadi, Loh Shen, saya menjaga kamu setelah itu, because I think you have a perspective of Zopin in its early days versus Zendesk now So I'm just wondering, is there any differences in terms of hiring or if not, what's the process like? Okey, jadi apabila saya menghargai Zendesk, saya hanya menghargai keperluan-keperluan Kami mempunyai 16 orang, hari ini kita mempunyai 16 orang Dan salah satu kerja yang penting saya adalah untuk membangun keperluan Jadi, perkara yang saya duduk di sini, bermaksud saya tidak membuat kerja saya terlalu kembali Dan salah satu perkara yang telah mengubah selama beberapa tahun, tentu bagaimana kita mengambil orang Apabila pembicara mulai, mereka tidak mempunyai banyak duit, mereka tidak tahu apa yang mereka buat Ini adalah pekerjaan pertama.  Kita mencari orang yang terdapat yang anda bekerja dengan Orang yang terdapat yang terdapat Bagaimana anda menerimanya keadaan kerja?  Kamu mungkin tak gagal, dan saya akan mengambil kemahiran Ya, apa tentang Jaden? Apa yang anda katakan daripada kemahiran, kemahiran, kemahiran? Ya, untuk kemahiran, kami juga Saya rasa kami melihat banyak kemahiran lebih daripada kemahiran Kerana ia sangat penting untuk kemahiran seperti keluarga Sekarang kami ada 24 orang-orang, sekitar 8 orang-orang mereka Jadi jika anda berfikir tentang itu, itu seharusnya Kita faham apabila kita berkata bahawa Satu-satunya perkara, ia bergagal Apabila orang-orang ini bergagal, dan tentu-satunya ada banyak perkara Bagaimana anda bergagal dengan orang-orang ini? Ya, tapi saya berkata dengan apa yang dikatakan Saya rasa ada masa yang mempunyai kemahiran, ia hanya... Tentu-satunya, ada satu kemahiran yang kami bertanya Dan ia sangat menarik Ia adalah sebuah kebanyakan yang terkenal Ia bergaduh dari computer sains Ia hanya semuanya yang ada dari perspektif teknik Tapi lagi, saya rasa untuk mulut yang saya sedang mencari Saya memang mempunyai kemahiran yang terkenal Bagaimana anda lapang untuk belajar? Bagaimana anda mempunyai kemahiran untuk membuat kemahiran? Dan apabila kami bertanya Apa adalah kemahiran terbesar yang terbesar?  Kita cuba berhubung pada hari ini Jadi dua kata-kata Satu yang lebih, hanya penjelasan Hal yang lebih dikeluarkan, kenapa anda akan bekerja di rumah Second is technical, so on the phone just a series of technical questions. Before that and then the third one is you get to take home assignment. And the assignment is relating to a problem that we're solving at home edge. So in the literal and engineering problem right now, ideally it's in the past sprint or in the current sprint. So by the time it comes to them, let's say they pass that phase. We're not worried about them cheating as well because in the onsite, we ask them to talk through their code. So if they do a good job of pretending and I guess they're thinking it, they can still pass but then what we actually do is ask them to extend that project. So add a function or how would you change the code if this requirement was to change and then we'll see how they perform. And I think that's what we do. It's just one interview. So if they pass that, they can call back for a fourth one just in terms of a final behavioral, cultural set. So I think no in person, I guess when they code, they typically let them code on the laptop. There's no remote coding. So I think that's that. It seems like there's a lot of focus on non-technical soft skills.  What are some of the things that you look for when you're hiring tech talents? Anyone can answer? Well, I think when I joined as an open team, one of the things that I noticed about the team is the company is very product-focused and very particular about the user experience. I think the design team that we have is probably among the best in the world. So when we hire engineers, we try to look for people who are very product-centric in thinking. Now, there's a big difference here because there are engineers who are out there to do a product for people to use. And there are engineers who are out there who are obsessed with technology and they're just going around and finding random power and just so that they can apply the technologies. And I think both Zopin and Zanya, I think we consider ourselves first and foremost a product company. And we want to look for people who are passionate about the product, their view and their request to find the right technology rather than the other way around it. They're very obsessed with technology and just trying to find a problem to solve. And I think that will be a key trait that I look for the engineers when I do my interviews. I think I do, I've heard what Shenmueh was saying that the passion is hard. I know Facebook sounds like a big company or established, but we always say only 1% down. But I still maintain a very start-up kind of culture inside of Facebook. We're still trying to do a lot of new things. And one of our values is to be more impact either to your own circle, your community, either to the country, to the world. So, when we're looking for people, we always ask why are you interested in Facebook. We don't want to hear the answer like Facebook is a big tech company, it's famous, like no answer at all. So we want to see the people who are passionate about it.  We hate that, my friends hate that. I think you need to improve this. I don't mind hearing this kind of nonsense. That means they're thinking about our products. They're thinking how we can make more impact to the community. So, through all the interview process, a lot of interviewer will be asking like your passion about Facebook. They want to hear how you want to do your work and how you want to improve our product or how you, other than your working time, are you doing some assignments?  Even though you build an app for your kids, it shows you have the passion you want to build something. So, we are looking for the builders who are passionate about making impact to the community. So, Sean, you want to add today? I think a lot of people didn't say and we do practice a lot of that. So, I really, passion is something that we look for as well in the team. But what I really look for are people who can work well in the team because I always believe it's team-first and software development, yes, you can develop as an individual but most of the time, in larger software development, it's still in the team. So, no matter how good you are, you can work well in the team. And therefore, you will be able to work well. So, that is the primary thing that I look for. Of course, I think technical fit can always be taught because this boot camp has taught so many participants. You can always learn new technologies. You can always learn something. And we have Vina. Vina is the boot camp guide for the first batch when she works at SP now. Ya. So, she's a prime example. I think you can learn skills but the personality, the fit in the culture and passion, those are very difficult things to learn. So, those are the things I would look at. Right. So, the next key question is how important is a CS degree when it comes to hiring tech talent? Does it mean that people in the audience who have studied CS and was completely trash, 3-4 tahun dalam hidup awak, bagaimana penting mempunyai degree CS? Saya rasa ia tidak penting. Sebenarnya, saya akan memberitahu sebuah penyelidik dan penyelidik yang kita mempunyai. Dia tidak mempunyai penyelidik komputer. Dia berjaya selama 3 bulan untuk memperkenalkan web di General Assembly. Saya rasa apabila dia menjadi penyelidik teacher di GA, General Assembly, dan kemudian, kita bertemu dengan dia di penyelidik web yang mempunyai program exhibition. Jadi, dia sangat mempunyai kultur fit. Mereka selalu bercakap tentang kultur. Saya rasa... Jadi, untuk dia... Jadi, kultur fit. Mereka selalu berfikir, apa maksudnya itu? Apa maksudnya itu? Masaj atau yoga? Jadi, bagi kita, apabila kita melihat dia, tentu-tentu, apa yang lebih penting adalah apa yang mempunyai dan nak mempunyai penyelidik. Apa yang mempunyai kemahiran yang berlainan? Saya rasa kongsi dia. Dia sangat gembira berkongsi kemahiran penyelidik sehingga ia sangat menarik bahawa dia memperkenalkan pembentangan di pejabat-pejabat. Sebelum beberapa jam di pejabat-pejabat, ia sangat menarik bahawa dia mempunyai pembentangan yang sama. Dia membuat pembentangan yang sama yang kita mahu dia membuat. Jadi, saya rasa kita semua mempunyai pembentangan yang sama. Untuk pembentangan komputer, dia mempunyai pembentangan yang sangat menarik dan kemudian dia memperkenalkan diri. Sekarang dia adalah pembentangan pembentangan di sini. Dan kemudian dia memperkenalkan diri dengan kita. Jadi, saya rasa mempunyai pembentangan komputer ia penting. Sebenarnya, mari kita memperkenalkan sedikit. Saya rasa mempunyai pembentangan komputer ia sangat penting. Walaupun anda mempelajari sebuah pembentangan ia penting. Ia tidak sangat penting. Ia sangat penting bahawa anda mempunyai pembentangan dan kemungkinan. Saya rasa anda tidak perlu mempunyai pembentangan pembentangan. Anda tidak perlu memperkenalkan pembentangan komputer untuk memperkenalkan pembentangan. Saya bercakap dengan program yang saya berbicara adalah salah satu pembentangan saya. Jika anda memperkenalkan program dan anda tidak tahu basikal ia sangat susah untuk memperkenalkan lebih jauh. Anda perlu mempunyai pembentangan. Jadi, anda tidak dapat memperkenalkan pembentangan. Di mana-mana yang anda menerima anda perlu mempunyai bagi jalan anda. Bila anda memperkenalkan atau memperkenalkan pembentangan komputer, anda perlu mempunyai cukup kebiasaan untuk anda memperkenalkan pembentangan bukan hanya orang yang memperkenalkan tetapi orang yang memperkenalkan pembentangan dan memperkenalkan pembentangan. Saya tidak memperkenalkan pembentangan dan memerkenalkan pembentangan. Seperti pembentangan saya di Electric Engineering saya memperkenalkan pembentangan dan saya memperkenalkan pengandungan yang besar untuk serangan. Sebenarnya, dengan kepadaan k jam, kita ada pengirvana yang mengalami pembentangan komputer yang seronok.  You're not very good at those things. You can try to find design that. I'm asking our interviewers to share our questions. To be not overly computer science centric. Because otherwise we would knock out raw talents who didn't come from a former computer science. So, knock them out. Also at home ish. Actually we are hiring for junior front-end and back-end developers. So, if anyone is keen, it would be great to visit the site just a little. So, how can someone who doesn't have a CS degree or any working experience show that they can be an engineer? Or, in another way, how can someone without a CS degree or any working experience even get to the interview, not have their resume thrown to the trash? Or do you want to go? So, I think I've seen a lot of resume that you say to Facebook. You've got an engineer at Facebook. On your resume just say, I work on Facebook. We're looking for more details. What exactly you did. So, use a verb to start your bullet points in your resume. Say, I restructured the system. Or, I was doing the coding. Or, I worked with a team of four. I lead a team of three. So, be more specific. So, when we see that, we can see what specifically you did. And also, I know maybe you haven't had a professional experience in a company as a programmer. But you have done a lot. Like, all the apps that you just showed, it was pretty awesome. With the school and also with the applications. So, these are all very good examples of what you did before. So, you mentioned that in your resume. So, we see that you have done this. Other than your full-time job. Or other than whatever you're doing right now. GitHub is another good showing. As well, if you have been contributing a lot. On GitHub, include your link. We can see. Although, I can't read the codes. But as a recruiter, I can see how active you are. And have you been doing a lot of... In the repository, we can all see your activities. So, it will be a good showing that you have a passion. Although you haven't been a programmer in your company before. But you have the potential. So, be specific when you tell people you do. Or is that like, we can talk. But anyway, GitHub was free. I think you want to get into the door. You need to show the code.  You want to be a programmer.  You passion to be a programmer. And show the code. Show a GitHub repository. So, don't zip up the code into words. People do that? Okay. Yeah, I got like... Letter. Printed. So, show the GitHub repository. Show the code.  Like, at least in the door. I think the... So, cover letters are probably not necessary. I never read cover letters. Show your resume. Show what we have done before. But if you are really going for programming, just show the code. I think that's the best way. We actually have a prime example that we actually hire one engineer from the chemical. So, I think going back to the previous topic about not having a computer science degree, that does not mean that it's okay to apply if you can't code. You still must be a very competent coder. And the best way for us to understand how good you are is to read your code. And I remember one of the guys we hired, his background was in chemical engineering. And he showed us his code. And very quickly, the senior engineers and the team decided to take him on. Because it's very impressive. He shows the tools that he wrote to solve some of his problem while he was working as a chemical engineer in Pulau Pukul. And then he showed the tools, the visualizations that he did. So, there are many ways to showcase your coding abilities. And this is prime example. Looking at the code, everybody was very impressed. That's it. We're taking him out and he's still working with us. Yeah, I think just to go along with the theme of just show and don't tell. I think particularly for engineering, the proof is in the pudding. So, what you want to do is find ways to... Well, I think code is important. I think, you know, kind of get up, making sure you showcase a lot of commits and things like that. And just that active desire to learn can also come through in quite a few different ways. So, showing you're involved in communities, people like tech communities, it's not for you. But I think another thing is just going back to that point about being product-centric. So, if you're... Particularly for tech companies, I think most technology applications and software is built for groups of people and the users. So, having showcasing when you build a product or when you have a demo or a portfolio online, when you share your links, actually deploy sites like what you guys went through earlier, it's just for someone who's hiring and particularly for a startup, I think that's just... It's very appealing because, you know, particularly for a startup, I think one thing that you're looking for is people who can really connect the dots to building things that people need and that can solve their problems.  That is something that a startup really needs, right? That's a capability that is absolutely valuable to an early-stage company. So, I think I would say definitely focus on the parts that really will showcase your understanding of building a product for the sake of just a bunch of code, you know, chunks on board but relating to actual use cases. So, I'm going to ask one more question before we open up to the floor. So, you definitely want to ask a question because we may or may not be giving you some things. May or may not. Right. So, how do you source for tech talents on a flipside? How should people be positioning? Where should they be marketing themselves at to be found by you guys? We sponsored diners out there. So, attend all the events where there's a sponsored dinner. Well, I think there's a short-term approach. I mean, of course, in the beginning we go to the recruitment agency but very soon we have our own recruiting capabilities. We need a sustained effort. Recruitment is a long-term process, right? So, we're not looking for stuffing agencies just push four bodies into.  The other things that we do is we run an engineering open house that we also invite people to come and see what we do and we welcome criticism and suggestions. In fact, after the last engineering open house some of the guys from PayPal so, you know, similar, you know, I think the way we do it is a lot more matured.  So, I think being engaged and created a communication forum with an aim of building the entire community's capabilities up eventually benefit us, right? I mean, as long as the engineering quality in Singapore goes up. So, for example, when Facebook comes in many companies like us we're going to compete for higher and but my reply is, you know, now we may lose a candidate to Facebook, but in three years I'm going to have a Facebook engineer as my team. Awww. So, I can do it as Facebook. Yes, okay. So, back to hiring, LinkedIn, right now it's like trending websites that I think most of the recruiters will look at. So, keep your LinkedIn profile updated what you have been doing. Treat it as your resume. So, you don't need to write a lot of, like, essay, some bullet points that what you did what organization, how long, be specific. Again, use a verb to start your bullet point. That's how recruiters see the website. But at the same time, instead of waiting for someone approach to you you need to stay tuned. Follow, like, there are a lot of at-and-true every company have a website that you want to follow if you want to check their information. Usually they have a lot of information. There are updates, their employees, what people do. So, you can always check their information and also follow their career page. Again, a lot of company have a career page on Facebook. So, you can follow their Facebook page. Same time Facebook ourselves, we have a career page on Facebook page as well. So, we have Singapore Facebook career page or if you want to looking for jobs in other region, we have a global Facebook career page, page that you can follow. Also, as a programmer, this is not about, like, looking for jobs anymore, but we have a page. I don't remember the exactly the link, but it's Facebook engineering. So, we share a lot of open sources projects what we have done recently. Like, if you know of Aids that we do every year, there are a lot of knowledge there. If you want to keep learning or follow the new tag, follow the new tag, go follow this page. There will be a lot of discussion and the engineer will be really discussing with you. He'll answer questions if you want to ask. Do a lot of valuable information online. You need to follow yourself. Whenever they have an opening, then you know instead of waiting. We design a lot on referrals. So, people, that's why I think communities and events actually really helps and meetups because so, particularly as well, current engineers they refer to their friends. So, our first engineer because we were very much in, you know, we have really found our product market fit. So, we were very much looking to product ties very quickly. So, we got into innovation because how we found it actually was through someone who was setting up higher at the time in Singapore, right. And we got connected to him through a very involved meetup that was just a small setting, coffee. And he used to work and start in LA, but then he worked for a new book in Singapore. So, he's quite senior. He's sort of level, spent about 67 years as a software engineer in different companies. And then he brought on his friend, who was a software engineer. So, I think war referrals always work the best. And it's very much I think just getting to know people within the startup space or within the technology space really helps because then you never know where someone can introduce you to the next person within, you know. So, but there have been few platforms and the higher is a good example, GetLinks is a company that does almost like a curated matching for jobs to tech doesn't actually set your parameters of where you want to work, what you're looking for, what types of work, front end, back end, tech stack. And I think that works quite well particularly on the software engineering side. And but I would I mean I know companies for example, Orang Yi as well, who have hired software engineers, junior, man, senior through another platform that wanted me. So, I think these new and upcoming comment was because they put more of a personal touch on it, they organize events, they have these communities that becomes quite quite not as intimidating because you start to get to know the people behind and it becomes more casual, you know. So, I think that's a good way to go. Alright, and now we'll open the the questions to the floor. So, for the first five people who ask a question, for any kind sponsor in which which creates a planner that hacks your brain for instant productivity, creativity and happiness. So, does anyone have a question for our panel? So, keep your hands up on the lady at the back. For G1, I shot the engineering organization structure in Facebook and I'm curious if current organizations that are run like sort of many part of Facebook type startups. So, do they get your second question? Like me, Facebook? Like miniatures startup type organizations within something? I don't think we have. In terms of the engineering structure, so, asking about the level structure, how we work on different products like new speed, Instagram, what's that? Is that? I guess about how how the engineers are divided into teams, how recruitment that was into the sub-organizations within the company. Okay, cool. Thanks. So, how the engineer team works is again back to what I said earlier, although people think we are very big right now, but we still intend to very start about kind of culture internally. How we keep that is we still keep moving fast that's one of our value and how we achieve that is we keep the team small. So, for each engineer team, they probably have like 15 each people work on one specific feature. For example, photo sharing. So, there will be 15 people, 15 engineers work on this photo sharing feature. And there's 15 people that are now only back-end or something. So, there will be two back-end, one front-end, two mobile, one machine learning. And of course, there will be product manager within the team as well. So, this team will be specifically working on how we improve this feature, how we work on this feature. Same to all the teams in Facebook. There will be thousands of teams working internally on a very specific feature. And how we hiring is we do a very general hiring, not general, not general as we hire everyone, but it's a general hiring we'll say we're hiring for back-end engineer, but we don't assign teams. So, at Facebook, we have this awesome program called Boot Camp, again. So, all the hires who say back-end engineer again, the whole interview process will be assessing whether you're good back-end developer or not through all the coding, design and also behavior interviews. We never assign you a team, but we, of course, going to ask you what is your passion? Either join Facebook, is there anything that you want to work on? So, after you join, after get offered and get everything, get on board, the first six to eight weeks is our Boot Camp program. So, through that several weeks, you will have the opportunity to all the projects that we do, all the things that you know and never know before, before you go to Facebook. So, we're going to open to you all the future plan as well. Say, now we have this newsfeed team, ranking team, search team. We are all looking for people. So, you join this Boot Camp, learn what teams are there that you want to join. Then, you choose the team that you are interested in. Again, it's, we want to have the people who are passionate about the thing that you're working on. So, we don't assign teams, they will choose their own teams. Same to all the other platforms like mobile engineer, front engineers, machine learning engineers. They all get the chance to choose their own team. So, that's how we divided people into, into it. Just example, not example, just story that I've been working at Facebook for almost three years. All the engineers that I have known in the past three years, I never know a single engineer will only work on one project in one team ever since they joined Facebook. So, there's a lot of opportunities that you can't move around teams. Either you ship the codes or you finish this project, you feel like you want to change to work on something different. You want to work on comments or work on the diagnosis. Then, there will be opportunities. Even though you want to switch pipeline, you will a back-end. Now, you want to do a mobile. Then, we now started a program that you want to move to a new pipeline that you've never done before. We have a mini-training time, like, two or three weeks before you join the new team. So, there are a lot, it's very fluid inside of the company, inside of the organization, you can go over to the team that you're interested in. Right, thank you very much. So, Ana in front has a question. Hui, where are you with the mic? Oh, you went over that? Okay, I'll take your question first. Hi, Reti here. So, a bit of context. Similar to one of the bootcamp participants, I used to I had an IS degree about nine years ago. So, and I left the industry after that. So, now I'm working on that, picking up classes recently about self-study. But at which point, you don't get all the development jobs and they ask like, what are the different things? But, say you fulfill tree, where you are now. At which point, is it time to to start buying? You definitely can't take all nine. Don't think you want all nine, but where is it? Just to rephrase the question a little bit, it's more of like, how do you know you're ready for a particular JD? And I think that there's a lot of a few articles that I read that a woman tend to feel more confident about applying a specific role if they apply to all the all the pointers in the JD. Men probably about, I cannot really remember, is it 70, 60% of the JD and they will feel confident enough to to apply for it. So to to rephrase the question a little bit, at what point do you think that it's okay to just apply? Okay, so let me try to tend to answer that question. I think because the growth that the setup I was in, I was able to see some of that struggle. I think you have to remember that whether you are ready for the company, that's also the case whether the company is ready for you, right? So if you're coming in fresh and your program skills are still early, it's probably hard to get into a company who's very matured. You know, like the kind of candidates that we could take on three years ago may not be the people that we can take on now, but it doesn't mean that they're not good. You know, by now those people are very good. In fact, they are now very senior engineers. But the state of company at that point will require the programmer to be at a certain level arranging. So, I think the way to look at it is a matchmaking process, right? You want to look for a company who's ready for you and you are ready for the company. So if you find that you really don't meet most of the criteria. For example, looking for people who has experienced battling scales, large scales and if you have not done it, it's just impossible to do the job. But then there are many startups who are more interested about getting something to the market quickly. You know, there will be good ways to hone your scales. So I think the way to look at it is not just choosing the job but you have to choose a company at a state that is matching to where you are. You know, if you have very, very experienced you know, you have a lot of experience dealing with large scale back end. You may not want to join a startup because the scale is so small. So vice versa. So I think the question should be the case of can you find the right company that matches the scale. Alright. Next. Hi, I'm Ana. I used to pay to we were in FinTech and the number we were to manage in FinTech is only 11%. So considering that this is a tech in this event, I think my question is what are the, what is the ratio of female and male engineers in your respective organizations? Are you happy with it? And if you're not, can you share with us some of the diversity programs that you're implementing to ensure that the female engineers in this room can be working in whatever you're hiring? Thank you. Sponsoring meetups. Sponsoring tech ladies. Specific. This is the worst question for me. So when... Yeah, everyone's just looking at two of you. Okay. Okay. I'll be very honest, right? So when the, my managers came on and say, we need to work on diversity, gender diversity in Zendes engineering. And as a whole Zendes engineering has a serious issues. And you look across my team and say, I think yours is a lot more serious. And it is a very difficult problem. And I think if you ask me what are some things that we have done to try to address this problem, right? I think number one, Zendes has also recognized that tech has to get better to improve gender diversity. We have people who are responsible to drive programs through educations, such as, make sure that we're not, things like unconscious bias get out of the way. But also the other ways, other things we try to do is to try to be objective, right? If you look, if you remember how we have structure interview process, we try to start by looking at your code first. Right? So we assess people first by the quality of code. Right? We try not to be biased, you know, by your nationality, by your accent. So I think, I think discrimination sub-country discrimination comes in many forms. It doesn't have to be gender. Right? We all know that that cast across many lines. It can be, it can be the same skin color, but different nationality, they'll be paid. I bet you can find paid differences across those. Right? So I think what we recognize that this could exist with structure, ways. Number one is code first, read the code, let the code speak for itself. Number two is we try to, the next I'm trying to do is try to incorporate checklist in the candidate evaluations. Right? So it would not be a case that would I want to go in our dinner with this guy and go for a, I mean that is so subjective, right? So we want to say what does this job entail? So like, if you need certain attributes and skills, you know, just black and white, have that checklist. At the end, we tell you the score. We try to be as objective as we can try to take that how I feel about this person out of the way. Because I think naturally we attract people who speaks like us, looks like us. That's just how it is. So we, we try to minimize that. We haven't, we haven't read the result yet, but I think we, you know, we continuously try to get towards the better side of things. So in the interest of time, we're going to move on to the next question. So does anyone, so the lady has already raised her hand. So I assume you are the last one. Okay, so we go for this lady over here first and then the lady at the back. Hi everyone. I'm actually a recruiter here from Accenture. So I think mine is actually for a lot support and courage right for, for the people here. So we are all here protecting ladies. So my question is more of what kind of support can we actually give to our females, right? Because I'm sure some of us here perhaps we are working ladies, right, working mummies, right? So what kind of support that organization or companies can we give to our female communities? So let's just support you know, mummies right, who actually have even child born? Right, what kind of support can we give them? I hate to say this one I actually have an answer to that. We give four months paternity leave. So that the fathers can go home and help the mummies. Facebook last night too. Yeah. Yeah, I guess on top of that Facebook has done some really good job on supporting working mummies and we have flexible working hours if you have to pick up your kids and then do the parents' meeting and also in our office every floor we have a money room. Is that called a new room? Yeah, money room. So like mother's room. Yeah, mother's room. So we need to do something like come here. Everyone around me is pregnant in my house. I know. Yes, I think from home age 50%. So we have 24 times as I mentioned 12 of which are women and 8 and I think a lot of the decisions again I think it's a tricky conversation sometimes at times because people are saying you prioritize gender over skill. I think just put simply, right? I do think that the conscious decision to make sure that there is a wider pool and selection pool can happen from the natural level. That's my personal conviction. I think that within the product engineer and out of the out of the 8, 3, 3 are women. So the reason is I think yeah, so we plug into communities like this that like attracts like argument. I do think that's true and when you when you talk about pipeline issue of course that has some kind of variable to how many women are out of the fence, right? And that will then translate into what lands at the bottom of the conversion which is the highest to make. But beyond that pipeline issue there are many other systemic issues systemic points that I think as managers of an organization you can actually accept yourself to be very active in looking at them if that was truly a problem because of course space is one the more diversity there is the better the outcome and the better it is for business so if that's the case then to solve the business problem as a management level you should be actively looking at those components so one of the concrete things that you can do potentially is going out and creating a what we call a mentorship program for internship programs that is specific for women looking to go into the tech program another could be having the babies corner so at home we have two of our employees are mothers we have a care professional workforce of 1,400 of which 90% are women and then most of them become the flexible freelancing caregivers because they have children so we created a corner in the office where we could just drop by and have a babysitting couple of hours that we hire every week so I think that's little things that you can do that will concretely really make a difference for them particularly when I think that decision making has to come from so we're going to move on to the last question behind you just want to ask do you think you're going to rise for one man team to now that first aid people complete around it or should we be the other way around? so should you build the app first before a business or build a business first before the app I think it's the moment to get in actually it's a great point I mean that's something else of one of the saints here I think that's great but separate you guys just learn with of course learning how to you know the getting experience and the company maturing your skills as an engineer and that's great but at the same time there's this other option as well of just teaming up with another co-owner trying out trying out a solution to launch in terms of whether it's the business best or the practice I think most people a lot of the founders ask sorry actually I have a sign it's one of our camp pros came out just kind of resolved but so forgive me for my incongruan so actually a lot of people ask me how do I know if this is the right business to work on and I think a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to solve problems after they've started the business so many that they've started the idea they get big it's a great idea and then they get through a period of time and they're just trying to solve problems within the idea but not enough time is spent prior to even jumping in because now it's a sexy thing it's a startup sorry that whole passion journey but but what happens before you even launch it should be a really deep effort spending a lot of time figuring out if that business is worth starting if that problem is worth solving so computer science coding is very much about problem solving so the same thing but the same concept applies for starting a business is how big to pull it down I think to one of mentors that I think it's very prominent in the hangar society is if you're building something that people want is this something that people would want not just need but they will actually want to get it and if you think that enough people want it that's something that then you should prioritize so sorry I would love to share more but I should probably share so yeah I think you can have a a conversation continue this conversation afterwards because of time constraint we're going to stop now and thank you so much for the panelists to share your time take a time to share it back but you can leave the mic on them alright so if you remember hopefully you remember


This is covering the spread here are your hosts Jim Saunas and Dr. Ed Fang What's going on everybody welcome on into covering the spread? That's right here on the fan dual podcast network and number fire comm as we are getting you set for the college Football national championship game. It is LSU versus Clemson We are breaking down all the betting angles for that game with Teddy Savronsky Teddy covers We're gonna break it down with him in just a bit. My name is Jim Saunas I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire comm joined here as always by Ed Fang You can find his work over at the power bank comm and on Twitter at the power rank Ed happy National championship week to you. How you doing? I'm doing great. I kind of feel like maybe the game should have happened last Monday but obviously it didn't we get over a two week wait between the semifinals and The Monday night game, but I mean, I think that's just in the college football rules, right? It's the second Monday after New Year's. Yeah, and like it's kind of weird to have the two weeks between it because I kind of Forget that it's happening like the week after I say the half week after the semifinals I'm like, oh my gosh with this game were today and then there's like a week after that where you're like Okay, I kind of forgot that this thing happened and now I'm like, okay now I'm getting jacked up again because it's Wednesday. We're leading into Monday Finally, I'm getting excited, but I still have to wait until Monday, which is kind of you know, it's whatever But I think the allure of this game and I I am more of an NFL person than a college person But I think watching this game specifically where it's Joe Burrow versus Trevor Lawrence gets me as Excited as I've been for a national championship and I would say quite some time just because both these dudes are gonna be Relevant in our sports watching universe for a very long time. So I'm I'm jacked to see how this game plays out Yeah, absolutely. And I mean part of the thing I want to talk about later is, you know Who's got the advantage of that quarterback position? It's Different from from the popular one. I don't think it's a definitive answer at the very least I think that you could go a couple of ways with that and we're gonna get Teddy Savransky's thoughts on these guys, too You can find him on Twitter at Teddy underscore covers He is a professional sports better can find his work over at sports memo calm We're previewing the national championship talking Ellis you Clemson. We're gonna get his read on a couple of prop bets We're gonna talk the spread. We're gonna talk the total everything about this game Teddy will be breaking down with us now This is a two podcast week once again because I also have one coming up tomorrow with Chris Andrews We're gonna break down his thoughts on the divisional round of the NFL playoffs getting his thoughts on all four games And where he sees some value and talking about a book that he released back in June I believe and just talking in general about Chris Andrews path I had I know you had Chris on your podcast recently. I'm pretty excited to talk to him should be a fun conversation, too Yeah, absolutely. I mean bookmakers have a unique perspective As John Sheeran did a lot on our last show. It's always good to talk to them and you know Cross your fingers and hope you're on the same side that they are and I was reading about at least good It just sounds like a really fun backstories I'm excited to talk to Chris tomorrow to get that podcast right as it is posted Make sure you subscribe to covering the spread on Apple podcast Spotify stitcher or wherever you get your podcast You can find us there if you listen Apple podcast We would appreciate a rating and review as well because those do help us out a ton and It's been fun along this first season of covering the spread thus far now before bringing Teddy talk about the national championship We got to go back through the bowl season and the semi-finals and break down our bets for college football During that time. Let's do that first and then talk to Teddy about Monday's game Covering the past All right, let's take a look back at the bets we had here for college football bowl season starting off with a couple ed Starting off with Miami against Louisiana Tech it was Miami by six and a half at the time and It was one of those games where one team clearly did not come to play and it's hard for numbers to quantify that Just kind of a weird game overall Yeah, I mean, I think there there there was a talent disparity on that field. Unfortunately that did not made itself President I think I kind of talked about that game early in my process. Yeah did not end up actually going With Miami ATS and that so I feel a little fortunate there even though I did even though the numbers did like it Yeah, but yeah, not you know Not one of not one of the best calls for the numbers there it's just hard to know when a team is going to totally no show and Maybe you could have predicted it because it's Miami in a non-important bowl game but this Miami team kind of felt different I guess in the sense that They aren't like some top-tier program in some scrub bowls. So I guess for me I was pretty okay with it It's just you know, I'm gonna work out. Yeah, it didn't work out. I mean that that's the bottom line I mean the numbers did like them as the second best ACC team when you looked at data from this year, obviously Way way below Clemson, but you know better than all the other teams there Lost a bunch of tough games this year that they could have won and you would think with a first-year coach That they would be pretty fired up to to get into bull season and and make a statement even if it is against the conference USA team No, that happened. No But we'll talk more about Miami next year. So the other one was Washington State plus three against Air Force. You had this bet for a very long time I was they were covering for most of the game You did get actually a half point of line movement in your favor to a close of two and a half Air Force played really well. They were up by three Deep into the fourth quarter, but it's worth a touchdown at 350 left Washington State couldn't quite score to get it back down to three But that was one of those where the bet could have gone either way. It just didn't go in your favor at the end Yeah, and and I knew that That Air Force would be able to score on Washington State You just kind of hope that they do it slowly enough where you get a critical fumble, right? Also Washington State a really good first drive went for it on fourth and goal from the one didn't work out so You know, I don't I don't think it was a bad call But I did it didn't work out. Yeah, it was fun game to watch, too I love what you talked about in your bet, too Is the contrasting styles and that was it led to a really fun game there too moving to the semi-finals I got buried on LSU Oklahoma I wanted the under at 76 points and LSU scored 63 by themselves. They were at 49 and a halftime Whoops that one was not good That just like immediately when that game started it was like, oh, I've made a grave error Yeah, well, you know Oklahoma's defense was top 25 when just success rate going into that game Not something I really talked about because I was so kind of obsessed on the other side of the ball and right Whether their scheme had changed and made them less explosive with with Jalen Hertzman in the ball turned out that didn't even matter So and yeah, didn't go your way And one of the reasons I wanted the under was because I thought LSU would pull away and they wouldn't need to score much in the second half They didn't need to score much in the second half, but they scored so much in the first half. It didn't matter. So oh well in the other game we had Ohio State plus two you know, I say plus two against Clemson There were a couple situations where that could have worked. Obviously again that one did not work Clemson one by five But had that fumble recovery touchdown not been overturned or had Chris a lava a not broken off his route There were two separate ways you could have covered that bet Nine of them happened though. So like yeah, it's just that was a tough one Yeah, no for sure to it. I mean it was kind of the first time LSU LSU Ohio State it kind of shot themselves in the foot Yeah, you know, they had a screen pass in the first half that looked perfect and Dobbins just dropped the ball Kicked a bunch of field goals in that game. So You know, I think the markets are a little bit high on Clemson in that one And yeah, I think I think it was still the right side You watch the replay of the alave play where fields to the pick it's like He would have been open to and that just like that's done It's I love Justin Fields. So like anything that taints his stats or makes them look worse makes me sad personally But that one didn't hurt me because I had the under on that game at 63 points That would did that one did pay off But like I'm still a Justin Fields fan and I really wanted that to pay off Didn't quite work out but regardless Clemson wins they advance and now they are facing LSU So kind of a tough string for us with the bowls and the semi-finals But hey, we got one more game that we can bounce back in a big way with LSU versus Clemson's Let's do it there. Sounds good. All right We'll bring in Teddy covers to break down his thoughts on that game here in just one second again Follow him on Twitter at Teddy underscore covers and find his work over at sports memo.com But if you want to get in on the action check out Fandall sportsbook and place your first bet today If you lose Fandall will give you a refund of up to five hundred dollars in site credit visit sportsbook.fandall.com More details terms and conditions apply must be 21 plus and physically present in New Jersey, Pennsylvania West Virginia or Indiana gambling problem call 1-800 Gambler, let's bring Teddy Savansky right now then to break down LSU versus Clemson get his thought on all the different numbers You can get for that national championship and see where he is leaning for LSU versus Clemson Covering the present Let's bring Teddy Savansky back into covering the spread Teddy covers over from sports memo Teddy Really appreciate you swinging by for today. How are you doing? I'm doing just fine. Thanks. Are you kidding? I mean, this is a fun time of year. It really is, you know Yeah, most of bullseas is behind us, but we still got one pretty big game in college football to enjoy We got NFL playoffs. We have NBA. We have college hoops on center stage right now. So it's a time of year I like So for whatever for whatever that's worth and the holidays are finally behind. I felt like it was analyst this year I don't miss that being over, but it's a busy time of year for you because you're doing NBA stuff You're doing some college hoop stuff. You got NFL playoffs. How do you balance? Trying to juggle all those sports at once. I have no work-life balance whatsoever. I mean, I'll be honest I don't you know once in a while Every once in a while I go do something with the boy or I'll uh, you know, I can't remember last time I took my wife out on a date I'm sure I'm do I'm sure she remembers right But you know, I take time to breathe in the summer Okay, and during from the beginning of the start of college and really from the beginning of August Till the end of March madness you work and that's just how it is And I'm kind of used to that now I've been doing it long enough that I'm that I'm used to the rhythm, but There's no question. It's not in terms of a lot of work-life balance. It's you know as a as a better Sometimes you miss that But I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Teddy, we always appreciate your insights We had a little time to reflect on the college football regular season and actually most of bowl season Can give us a sense for what went well for you and what you're thinking about differently maybe for this last game and for next season Well, in terms of the overall campaign, I would describe my college football season as mediocre at best, you know I didn't crush anything. I didn't get crushed. I Haven't gone through yet game by game what I'll do In the Austin we talked about what happens come summertime in summertime. I literally go through game by game in every sport that I've done and Try to find patterns. I'll do a little bit of debase research See if there's areas where I struggled or where I was particularly successful If I'm looking if I looking back at this season, I almost feel like there were I Didn't fully take advantage of some of the stuff some of the opportunities that were in front of me I saw Minnesota early. I didn't make nearly enough money off the Gophers You know, and there were a handful of teams like that. I saw Cincinnati I don't feel I made enough money off the Bearcats and I saw them in September as being a bet-on team You know after that Ohio State loss. They were bet on for you know, two months So I feel like there were a good handful of teams that I saw and should have made more money with But in terms of a broad Thorough review that doesn't come till over the summer And so you're going through each individual game and trying to figure out Opportunities missed and what may have gone wrong with with Betsy you may have missed you're going game-by-game for all those After I go through every bet that I made Wow, and again, I'm not spending three hours with every shirt that I hate But I'm gonna I absolutely look for patterns. Yeah and look for areas of success and well, you know leaks. I mean when we talk about One of the biggest differences between guys that do this full-time and guys that do this Recreationally is guys that do this full-time you have to see your leaks find your leaks and plug your leaks because we all have them and Recreational betters don't necessarily always do that right And I think the self-awareness question is important too when we're talking about this national championship game between LSU and Clemson You know you have to know where your strength is when there are You know a more robust variety of markets to enter for a big game than there are for your general college football week So when you're looking at a game like a national championship game that is pretty heavily bet on Are there markets you tend to find even more attractive where you do better? Or are they all efficient enough where it's not something where you tend to dive too heavily into games like this? so In my mind the national championship game in the Super Bowl are very different Okay, the Super Bowl I go pretty heavy on the props I do because there's a lot of stuff that I've done for a number of years that tends to work and you have a lot of positive expectations situations and then as you come in and then on kickoff Sunday there are all kinds of positive expectations situations because there's been an Extraordinary amount of public money betting the props for the Super Bowl The props for the national championship game. I mean compared to what we have the Super Bowl There's nothing out there right now. We have quarterback props talk about we have adjusted team totals, you know And we'll see a handful more, but we're not going to see the bevy You know the 400 props for this and we're not going to see the chances for miss my markets and we're not going to see the Extraordinary flow of money that comes in for this is like good like Super Bowl props do so I view this game Like I would view any game in college football. It's no it doesn't my wager size I mean, you know, I didn't make one bet on this game and I may have made it too early, but I bet it You know if you will talk about in just a minute But that's all I bet. I bet one unit on this game. Okay, and when it comes to props, I mean we could talk about them I looked at them But I haven't got anything yet and if I do get involved with the prop again my max Max possible exposure in this game is gonna be like two two and a half units. Okay? Yeah, it's not a situation where like Super Bowl where you can easily have five units plus when you count all the prop wagers that you've made so I I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not I'm not going nuts on this game And I would encourage any of you out there not to go nuts. It's one frickin game. And you know what? There aren't a whole lot of mistakes. You're gonna find at this time of the year. We're like, oh, that's a really bad line Oh, that's a terrible total. Oh, how could they have that prop here? Sometimes you see that stuff in September and October and November you don't see in the national championship game So, you know, it's a some action some fun. I think a positive expectation wager on the side And other than that, it's just another game You know, yeah, that's what it is Well, I definitely want to hear what you got to say about the side, but maybe let's start with the total 69 and a half Lsu was obviously fantastic in the semifinal against Oklahoma gets a little bit more difficult against Clemson But you know, is the market overacting a little bit to LSU semi-final performance with 69 and a half points here so We have to talk about what Oklahoma did on the defensive side of the football. Okay, which is not do anything And again first year first time defensive coordinator who literally did not I did not notice an adjustment during the game They started with a bad defensive game plan and they played that same defensive game plan for 60 minutes and you know the the results Was a high-spin winning quarterback and an elite receiving core were what you might expect Given the fact that the defense without class that made no adjustments whatsoever throughout the course of the game And the coordinator had no idea what it was doing. Okay Clemson ain't Oklahoma All right, that's that if you're gonna talk about this game in one sentence. That's my sentence three words Clemson ain't Oklahoma Look headline here was one. Okay Clemson minus or well LSU minus one and then Clemson looks really good LSU looks really good and Clemson. I think I look I had a bet on Ohio State in that game Receiver turns the wrong way or else. Maybe I win that bet But my thought process going into that game was whoever wins this game on betting against LSU and am I and nothing that I saw Changed my opinion about that Alright, I understand that the Tigers Have been truly elite this season the LSU Tigers on the other hand I've seen Clemson take care of some pretty truly elite SEC teams in national championship games past And I don't think that burrows gonna have the same level of success in this game as he had in the last game Two very different quality Defenses to very different defense the Brent Venables man You'd you say why is he the highest or I think he's the second highest paid coordinator now But why is he the second highest coordinator paid coordinator in college football because he earned it? Yeah, he gets it done over here. I mean isn't it Randa? It's a very different defense here than then than what they just paid So again, I'll look ahead of plus one my powering number. I didn't change my powering number for either team And now I'm gonna catch plus six. Yeah, I'm interested Yeah And I think that one thing that you talk about Teddy we talked about this when we had you on back in I think it was September is how you want to find areas where the numbers aren't going to fully encapsulate the way a team is currently playing and when you look at full season numbers for Clemson it includes September and There was some talk about Trevor Lawrence having a shoulder injury back then We know Dabbo likes to get his guys in in non-conference play is Clemson a team you view as being undervalued based on their full season numbers potentially leading to this line of plus five and a half Modestly Modestly because again the the September numbers by now aren't fully factored in the equation the way And they were so good in October and November that a lot of that guy, you know, the The sweet spot for Clemson was after that North Carolina game, you know, when they got tested and they came back And when they cover six their next seven You know, they were clearly an undervalued commodity in the market at that point I'm not convinced. That's the case here, but I do think LSU was a little bit overvalued in the markets, you know, again based on a giant LSU's been impressive as hell. Okay.  It's it's hard for me to picture LSU being anything but overvalued after those type of victories. So let's talk about that in relation to the spread We got five and a half here at Fandall Sportsbook You've alluded to this a couple of times where maybe you're thinking Clemson. Do you think at five and a half Clemson is a good bet? I think you mentioned you may have gotten this number earlier as well Yeah, I got put six in my pocket and look, let's be honest You can find sixes right now They're out there And and I encourage every look when it comes to sports books and they're sponsoring Okay, you guys are sponsored by Fandall. 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Don't wait around do it right now give these guys what they need to keep the show going but That doesn't mean it's the only place you should be betting Okay, there are plus sixes available right now if Fandall is hanging a five and a half find a six somewhere If you have ten accounts, you'll always find that number if you have four accounts You'll usually find that number if you have two accounts You have more of a chance of finding that number than you do if you only have one And that's the truth of it. So and I didn't I'd asked me about the total and everyone mentioned it And you asked me about the side. I didn't mention it. I'm getting off off track here No, no, no, that's actually good today. You did mention a little earlier That said maybe you want to wait if you're taking Clemson on the side Do you think this might get to six and a half maybe even seven? Yes. I don't necessarily think there's a rush They the the public Clearly likes the team that just Destroyed their opponent as opposed to the team that didn't play their best game and got lucky to beat their opponent And that's just the nature of what we do in for a single event game like this With all the prep time. I would not be shocked at all to see at some books Lsu laying six and a half before kickoff maybe even a seven popping up I wouldn't be shocked not at every book not in the broader market but Will the books that cater recreational betters hang a six and a half will you shop around? I think you'll find one I think maybe you'll find more than one and who knows what it does on game day So I feel like I may have locked in a little early on that you asked me about the total and I didn't even mention it I want to talk about the only way I could bet this is under okay simply because of what Lsu did against the defense that didn't show up and didn't make adjustments now, they're facing a real defense and Lsu's defense is pretty good, too You know, you need ten touchdowns to beat you if I have to play the total I can only play it under All that said do you really want to spend the entire night of the national championship game? Oh my god and rooting for I mean, it's a hard route man It takes the fun out of it. Yeah, and if it if it's a fun wager for you there, you know fun betting unders No No, it's all right come a kick slow it down slow it down You know and hoops I can make a joke out of it. You're like, all right brick brick. All right slow it down slow it down You know see that over and over again for 48 minutes But in football, you know with these with the level of the closeness of these offense. It's a tough under to sweat Again, if it's profitable you do it anyway Is it extraordinarily profitable? It's just like oh, yeah, this is a 60% one. I don't know if it's a 60% under, you know Yeah, I have not pulled the trigger. We were talking about shopping How high would this number need to be at whatever book you can find it in order for you to actually pull the trigger on the under Are we talking like 71 72 somewhere in there or does it need to get a little bit higher even? I mean It was certainly I would think in terms of a buy a strike price 71 and a half stands out to me. Okay. I haven't done any work on that. That's just off the top of my head sure but It's a strike price that makes sense to me But I don't even know if I do it at that number it might it might end up being like a 72 and a half or I'm waiting until right before kickoff or maybe I'm waiting until five minutes after kickoff Yeah Somebody you know, but then of course you're all The only way you can get there with an under if you're somebody who scores a quick touchdown early I probably don't if I get involved with the total. I'll probably do it before kickoff But yeah, 71 and a half 72 somewhere in that range Excellent. Um, so we have a couple player props for this game passing yardage totals for joe burrow and trevor lorenz burrow is at 365 and a half and lorenz is at 295 and a half any interest for you teddy So Give me burrows number again 365.5 So he went over that You know, not regularly It was less than half. Yeah He had 49 against old miss The alabama game will remember bama got in the 40s. He had 393 He had 398 against vandy and 471 against texas I'm not playing him over that number. I'll tell you that. Okay When you look at the defenses that he was able to do that against None of them were clemson's caliber. We lean under in this game to begin with And that is one high that's as high. I mean, I can't recall one hire I've never seen a quarterback prop higher than this either one of you guys. No I mean ever You know, so With the highest number I've ever seen I can only play it on Yeah, I think that's the right play too And I'm gonna talk about that later in the show too because I think the under there is Viable not only because of the strength of the defense, but you just need so many things to go in his favor There are different gamescript possibilities that lead to an under there. Sure. There is a strength of the defense There are a lot of paths to that number going under I think that's kind of the way I want to view things is how many different ways Can I get to the under here and for burrow under 365.5? I see Several different ways to get there. Well, exactly. I mean if all us using control of the game Burrow ain't going over. Right. Okay. If LSU isn't moving the football Appropriately in the first half burrow ain't going over. I mean, there's I I totally see what you're saying I agree with that assessment 100 percent. There's there's more Game scenarios that favor an under than an over for this one The only one game scenario that favors an over and that's if this is a true shootout, right?  Sure, but I'm not going to bet on that I agree that there's more More chances for under than over for sure percentage wise the under is I think the more advantageous way there Anything else you see Related to this game it can be a bet that you see at Fandall sportsbook or somewhere else or even just insights on this game That you may have based on the research you have done in these two teams throughout the year Anything else you want to mention before we send you on your way? Well, I mean, I saw I was I went through the Fandall props this morning. I appreciate I went through them one by one and you know, I'm like, well, we could look at these team totals Yeah, you know and and again I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers move Because I mean 37 and a half for lsu, you know, I loved about under 38 You know, well, we see it. I don't know I loved about under 38 and a half. That's a true strike price number I don't think we see that but that was one that at least stood out to me a little bit Yeah That I haven't bet but I will as absolutely under consideration As we as we approach the weekend before kickoff So you've got your feelings out there monitoring things and see where the market goes I think that's a great discussion to have teddie. So really appreciate you coming on here and talking about the value of shopping Looking for the best lines you can get and Getting a set for the national championship So I want to thank you once again teddie fun conversation once again, as always appreciate it and Have fun watching the game. Hopefully you can sit back and relax a bit During we appreciate it Hey, the pleasure is all mine and I appreciate you guys not giving me grief about my The cleveland browns are going to be good prediction That we had back you were not alone in that one teddie Yeah, I know but uh, nonetheless I came out of my mouth. It was After the show you you you your claim was like, you know, that's the most talented roster out there And my thought after the show I didn't mention it on the show. I was like, well, what about philadelphia? That's what I said. Yeah And that that didn't look that that doesn't look so great either teddie. So Um, hey, guess what? None of us is perfect in our predictions. So, uh, we're trying We're trying Hey, you know what teddie though? We got to run it back next year baker year three. Let's try it again then. Why not? Uh, so I would expect the browns to have one of the more talented rosters heading into next season as well We'll see what the code Well, thank you teddie. We appreciate that. Hopefully we'll talk to you again soon Cheers guys. Good luck this weekend and good luck in the championship game. Thank you so much for having me Covering the future One big thank you once again to teddie covers teddie savranski for swinging him by find him on twitter at teddie underscore covers And again find his work over at sports memo dot com and teddie was talking about Searching for the best value and betting on games. Hey, what do you know? Let's talk a little odds fire because you can do exactly that by going to odds fire dot com Comparing odds trying to find the best value and even examining first party fan dual data all in one place You can try to identify when the line may move one way or another decide if you want to dive in kind of like teddie He was talking about do I hold off until one day or how do you want to play that never settle? Always get the best odds check out the experience for free now a number fire or an odds fire dot com gambling problem Call 1 800 gambler. It's as if teddie was doing the read for me. So thank you to teddie for that but a lot of good insights for that game and I think that it's uh, I think that his discussion around lsu and Having those two big wins because the sdc championship game remember was basically Like a playing game for georgia if they won that game they'd be in the they'd be in the playoff And that was a high-profile nationally televised game So it's a semi-final obviously and I think it's important to identify When teams are in those spots because it could lead to value in betting against them, which we may see with lsu here Yeah, absolutely. I think there's over exuberance on with lsu In particular on the offensive side of the ball, you know for the total my number is 66 and a half Definitely suggests the under and I think kind of the the narrative around the game and what we expect from the public Certainly sports that absolutely. So let's dive in here to covering the future and talk more about this game We both want to talk about an angle in this game and you were talking about the spread in this game Which way is you are your numbers? Is pushing you for this one? Yeah, so my numbers are a combination of a number of things They actually when when I put them together they they like clumpson by half point. I was a little bit surprised You know, they actually had lsu slightly ahead of clumpson before the game but You know, I mean There were a top three team in college football this year and they were the top three seeds and one of them's obviously gone And and I think like these teams are all really close There's two different metrics that are kind of the primary thing does that go into the My model versus markets to take closing Point spreads and adjust research this year to get my market rankings and and they actually like clumpson quite a bit by six points That is something You know, that's a lot of their performance towards the end of the year when they were really blowing teams out and also You know earlier in the season as well when we expected this to be the best team in the nation After, you know blowing out alabama in the championship game last year as well The other big part is just data from the current season. So this is Based on points based on success rate based on yards per play all adjusted for strength of schedule and here's where lsu excels but even With the data from this year Lsu would be predicted to be about a four and a half point favorite in this game So even if you just look at the the part of the model that likes lsu the most It it's pointing to clumpson plus five and a half and I definitely I think this should be a very close game Let's just step back and take a little bit of a broader view you open the show you talked about Joe burrow versus trevor laurence, you know, who has the advantage I'm going to give the advantage to trevor laurence This morning even been a question at the beginning of the year Joe burrow has obviously had a great season won the heisman laurence has had his struggles But I think if both of these guys were in the nfl draft, I think laurence would would get picked Ahead of burrow right now, you know, partially just because you know, there's just less of a good sample for for joe burrow at this point Defenses, I think these are the two best Coordinators in the business multiple nfl picks on on that side of the ball when you look at the numbers It's it's kind of a push right these are both top top five units We can look at receivers also nfl guys on on both teams Maybe give a slight edge to lsu because they're going to have two guys that are they're going to be picked At running back, maybe slight edge to clemson traves atn is is going to be a top First round, maybe second round pick So kind of when you put it together and if you made me pick a side, I think I would lean slightly towards lsu Just kind of waiting their performance this year a little bit more, but I I mean I I think this is going to be a close game. I think it's going to come down to the end. Maybe a field goal Flips the margin towards the end. So I definitely like Clemson plus five and a half plus six You know, maybe even maybe even a little bit more. Yeah, and I was rewatched I think the closest analog to this game is the lsu alabama game and I think when you think about that game, it's easy to remember that lsu is up 33 to 13 at one point They are wiping alabama, but Even with the alabama kept on clawing back. They were never out of that game I was watching because I was trying to watch to a tongue of aloha for like draft stuff, but like In tuas biggest the biggest criticism around tua is his arm strength, which is not a criticism for Uh for trevor lorence, but tua was launching nukes down the field and connecting And his receivers were getting open and you could say well, that's jerry judy. That's that's henry rugs Like these divante smith. These are amazing players. It's hard to You know replicate that but clemson's wide receivers are pretty freaking good, too So if we're going to see one team that is able to move the ball on lsu's defense and potentially cover a five and a half point spread It's going to be clemson given the talent. They have a quarterback and wide receivers I think that backs up your point about clemson plus five and a half You know just being a bit optimistic about lsu overall Yeah, and and in that alabama game, you remember they made a ton of mistakes in the first two would drop the ball Just dropped it. Uh, he was playing on a sprained ankle. He had like that that heavy wrap on it on his right leg Um, it was a wild game. It was his first game back. I think yeah, well because he rushed back because he had that surgery um And he's right after the fumble. He was awesome And he was just shredding this defense and I think that right like that game actually Made me view tua more optimistically, but it also made me more optimistic about clemson's offense being able to score points here Right And I think that yeah, it should be fun. I don't know if that makes you like the over given the similarities of that game That's very true I'm not going to go with the over though. I am going to go and talk about joe burrow You know, we talked about joe burrow with relation to the spread But I think he's relevant too because as we're talking about teddy that passing prop is really freaking high at 36 and or 365.5 passing yards and He did go over that number by 128 yards in the semi-final I believe he was like there at halftime, but as mentioned with teddy There are so many things that need to go right to hit a prop that is that high because Our clemson cannot get too big of a lead because then they'll be able to coast Edwards healer should be healthier healthier for this game So they should be able to run the ball more But you also can't get too far behind because if you're too far behind Then lsc's or clemson's going to know that you're passing and that's going to drop your efficiency So there are two paths to failure there if clemson gets too big of a lead or if else you get too big of a lead Or if they fall behind too much joe burrow is probably not going to hit this number That's before we even talk about the strength the defense he's facing clemson ranks third in defense of sp Plus according to bill connelly and espn That is the second best defense that burrow has faced this year And we have a pretty good sample on joe burrow against good defenses We can kind of dig in there and see what he's done against them And he's faced five defenses ranked the top 25 by sp plus and he was very good in those games But his yards per attempt went down to 9.76 in that split He averaged 341.6 passing yards per game He was under 365 and a half in four of those five games So if you're looking at like 9.76 yards per attempt, he would need 38 attempts to go over 365.5 And that's that's kind of a lot. Um It's also a lot to expect him to average 9.76 yards per attempt Against the preventables defense. He did play three pretty tight games I think that the one area in which he could go over this is if it's like teddy said it's like a pure shootout He did have three tight games in there against top 25 Defenses, yeah, obama game the auburn game in the florida game He had 393 against alabama 321 against auburn and 293 against florida. So I think that he will do well against his defense. I don't think joe burrow is going to struggle But you need to be so good in order to hit 365 and a half against a defense like this where I think it's just A bit over inflated. I love joe burrow. I think he'll be a very good NFL quarterback He'll be very good in this game But 365 and a half is a really big number now because this is the national championship game. There's a lot of juice here It's minus 112. It's minus 112 on both sides So you're kind of hoping that you get a little bit of wiggle room there You're not getting I would say the best number But I think it's very worthwhile with the number itself being so high at 365 and a half So I want to take the under on that one I was tempted by the trevor laurence over given what we saw by by tua in the alabama game But I think the more advantageous number between the two is to go under on joe burrow at 365.5 And kind of like teddy said the bummer drew it against someone as fun as joe burrow And I had that same issue with russell wilson earlier this year where I was like I bet in under on a seahawks game and I was like I kind of want to watch some russell magic, but I also really don't So there is that to consider, but I would go at the under on that one Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense in terms of just the over exuberance argument For lsu and their offense in particular. Yeah, and again, you're running against joe burrow But like he can still be really good not to hit 365 and a half So you should be able to enjoy this football game That is all we have for the national championship side of things and any final thoughts for you on clemson lsu I think I leave them all out actually. I think it's going to be a good game. I think it's going to be tight And I'm just excited to be a fan and and and watch it sit back relax Enjoy some football and hopefully a tight ball game and tighten up to cover five and a half as well for clemson What do you have going on this week for you over at the power bank and a football analytics show? Yeah, I was excited to have jj zack recent on the football analytics show my boss Very important guy. I think I introduced him as a content guru at fan duel, which I think is the most appropriate title for his, you know, his varied roles part of what I did for prep For that podcast was to go back and watch our very first episode of covering the spread and Couple things. So first of all, I'm looking down the entire dam episode. So it's like there's there's like so much My forehead is like Entirely in the screen. So I actually remember going back after the first show and looking at that and being like, uh, All right, I need to fix that But secondly, I went back and we had kind of talked about how he had seen value and Derek Henry to ruin the rushing title in the FL I think the thing that we didn't mention was that he also saw value and nick chubb to win that rushing title And he was yeah, he was the guy that had had second. So um When we did that episode I remember thinking how much that I appreciated that JJ runs his own numbers and is very thoughtful about that Not just a content guru. He's actually an analytics guru too in terms of doing those fantasy football numbers So we talked about that a little bit. We talked about some stats that are uh, that he looks for in college running backs that you Probably be surprised at for projecting uh, nfl Performance and then obviously we talked about the divisional game. So uh, it was a lot of fun talking to him Yeah, and you were talking about his process with regards to projections I talked to him enough to know what his process is and It gives you a greater respect for it once you know more about it I and like I trust JJ's numbers a lot Because I know the way he goes about getting them and the way he goes about getting them is the right way to do so Um, so JJ is someone who obviously I have to respect because he's my boss But I would independent of that too because like he does things the right way In terms of trying to generate his numbers trying to take As much information as he can and going about it in the right way, which I think is is super valuable So I'll have to go check that out and make sure I don't get fired mid podcast. We'll see You can find that over at the football analytics show and uh, yeah listening back to what JJ said was uh pretty incredible for that first episode So follow him on twitter as well at late round qb find all of ed's work over at the power rank dot com The podcast is a football analytics show and find ed on twitter at the power rank. I am at gymsonus j i m S a n n e s you can also follow the fan dual podcast network at fan dual podcast big Thank you to calvin theobald our video producer for running the video side of things for today Thank you cal as always and a thank you to teddy savranski follow him on twitter at teddy underscore covers Get his thoughts whether bnba college hoops nfl college football whatever it may be Teddy's got a lot of good thoughts so you can find there and that's sports memo dot com Hope you all enjoyed the episode for today. Good luck with your bets for the college football national championship Hopefully things go well and you have a good time watching some awesome football monday night back again tomorrow with chris andrews to break down the nfl divisional round Make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread to get that right as it is up We'll talk to you then this has been covering the spread right here on the fan dual podcast network


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