Attention, attention! Today is Craig's birthday! And it's also cancer season, which means if you don't say happy birthday to me, I'm personally offended. Hello, Bidgets! I am so sorry for forgetting to say my name. My name is Fandango today. Today is the last day of Pride Month. And if you don't know, June 28th is my birthday. I'm officially a legal adult. Watch out, everyone! I can go to jail now. I can vote. I can... I can't drink still.  I never really had a birthday party, never had the pinata, never had a big group of people. I got money and my present was my mom saying, You're welcome for being born. But now that I am a legal adult and I can drive, I decided to go to a grocery store and pick up some groceries. I went to Wegmans. This was $20 only, by the way.  Alright, so let's just bring everything out. Okay, so this should become a cake. Welcome to episode 2 of Project Asian Kitchen. I'm gonna make a vegan rainbow cake because someone is a little lactose intolerant and he was vegan for two years, so we're gonna bring it back. The recipe is in the description below, by the way. Alright, we're making a five-layer nine-inch cake. Five and a half cups of all-purpose flour. Why would you tie it up? So let me just do five of these real quick.  Not on my hoodie. Three, wait. I need some background music to this. Okay, Google. Play Truth Hearts. I think that was my fourth cup. Fuck. Let's hope it was the fourth cup. Five and a half. Where's my half cup? Five and a half cups of all-purpose flour. One tablespoon baking powder. Two teaspoons baking soda. Can someone tell me who invented teaspoon and tablespoon? Why can't it just be one baking soda? One teaspoon of salt. If you're extra salty, put another teaspoon in there. Four cups of dairy-free milk plus four teaspoons of vinegar. Set aside a bit. Vinegar. Alright, wait, what kind of vinegar? I have many kinds. I'm Asian. Alright, I think it's just white vinegar. We'll just go with that. So I have organic soy vanilla milk. I have no idea how this is gonna thicken, but we'll just go with it. I'll take this bowl right here. Four cups dairy-free milk. Four teaspoons vinegar. Oh. I was about to put four cups of vinegar and that would have been bad. Oh, yes. I love lactose. Okay, that's one empty box done.  This is two cups, by the way. One. What does that sound like to you? So this...  Apparently putting vinegar and non-dairy milk thickens it. This is a fake egg, by the way. They want a white vinegar. I got one right here. Four teaspoons. Okay, Google. How many teaspoons are in one tablespoon? One US tablespoon is equal to three US teaspoons. So I'm gonna put one tablespoon plus one teaspoon. Oh, it smells like vinegar. Alright, one more teaspoon.  Alright, I'm gonna take my mixing tools. And this is supposed to thicken somehow. I don't believe it for a second. I'm sorry. Milk and vinegar should not thicken. There's no way. There's no way. Whisk the flour, baking powder, baking soda, and salt in a big bowl. In the other large bowl, mix the dairy-free milk, sugar, oil, and vanilla together. Let me just show you what I have so far. So this is all of my dry ingredients, minus the sugar. This is the milk that's supposed to thicken. So far, it's not that big of a mess. Now, how long do I have to wait for this to thicken? Because I'm very impatient. Does that look like it's thickened to you? A little? Right? Whatever. I'm just gonna find my sugar right now because we don't have sugar in this house. This is all the white sugar we have. Three cups. Alright. Let's go on a hunt. After a very Mandarin, heavy conversation with my mom, I found out she hides the sugar behind hot sauce. Let me just show you.   You know why she does this? It's because she doesn't want to make a mess in her kitchen. When it's really my kitchen. Let's go. Yes. We'll come to that. Bye-bye. I love you.  This is still not a lot. I need to get three cups worth this. Have you thickened here? Oh my God, it's thick. That's kind of creepy. I don't like knowing that. Oh my God. Three cups, white sugar. Don't sniff it, children. One cup? Oh, it's like a little island. Let me show you. Look, it's like a little island that's slowly getting smaller and smaller because of rising waters, because of global warming. Guess what, children? It's real. I did not mean to get political in a baking video of all things, but I did. That's a little more than a cup. Three cups. Then we need one and a third cup of oil. Just watch. Just watch.  Oh, it's beautiful. Oh, look at all that cholesterol and heart disease. Okay, if you're a baker, you wouldn't be used to this, but I'm not. Let me just show you what this looks like right now. Oh my God, it's so beautiful.  All right, I need a third cup. Is there a third cup on here? Is there really not?  There's my third cup. Sorry, mom. I just got rid of all of your oil. It's gross. Oh, it's gross. It's getting hot in here. Why did I choose to wear a hoodie in the summertime? Okay, Google, what's the temperature outside today? It's like the high of 92 and a low of 68. And I'm wearing a hoodie. Fuck. Mix together the milk, sugar, oil, vanilla. Vanilla. Oh, this looks gross. Mixing tools activate. Wait, I got to record this because this looks disgusting actually. Wow. Mmm, so tasty. They're out of my finger. Oh, I'm just going to whisk this for a little bit until it's fully mixed. I'll be back. A few minutes later. No, actually, I think I have a whisk. I'm pretty sure I have an electric whisk back here.  So you first insert. Plug it in. Don't worry. I'm a professional. Is that the lowest setting? Here we go. Oh, I'm not breaking it. That's mixed enough. I'm just going to... I'm pretty sure all of the sugar is mixed in now. Add about half the wet into the dry ingredients and beat. You want to get rid of the lumps or they're standing against a colored cake. Yeah. So what I'm first going to do is mix this together because I forgot to do that. Mix the dry ingredients. It's getting on my hoodie. Okay, I'm going to record this and mix it in at the same time. First, we're going to put half of this in. That's about half. It looks terrible. Oh, I just want to slowly mix this in. Oh, I got a beat. All right, we're beating. No, it's getting everywhere. I now realized why I don't bake anymore.  So I think we just need to add in the rest. Look at us do the rest.  This is the biggest bowl I have and it's barely fitting everything. I'm like making stew over here.  Ew, uh. Looks like I'll be here for a while. I'm scared to take out the electric whisk just because I know it's going to go flying everywhere. We're going to have to use the mighty power of chopsticks to do this, guys. I don't even have a regular whisk. Wait, I technically do. Yes, this will work. It's not working. Ew. It looks gross and it probably tastes gross right now. Actually, it just tastes like cookie dough. That's not that bad. And you can eat this because there's no eggs in it. Oh, my God, my arm. You know what? I got to bring it out. We're doing this again.  Where'd it go? Did it get stuck in there?  Am I going to have to pick this out? Oh. No. Okay. I'll wash this off. It's disgusting. Not going to lie. That was a little traumatizing. But we're here for round two. Round two, bitches. Yeah. Yeah, don't lift up the whisk while it's still working. All right. A jack button. It's better be worth it. I'm ruining my hoodie for this. I'm going to take my spatula and we're going to fold. I'm going to get every edge and make sure it's all incorporated. Okay, it is ever so slightly chunky. But you know what? That's fine because I like them chunky. Okay. So I have now folded gently using a scale. Divide the batter into...  I have my eyes and that's enough. Oh, I have to add food coloring. Bitch, how the fuck? Okay, I have to not only separate this into five different bowls, but I have to put them into here after. I'm going to separate this all into here. Um, let's do it by ladle. Actually, that'll take a long time. Honestly, there's only one way to do it. I'm just going to have to ladle it. I'm going to put one ladle worth in every single one.  Great. Going in. This is going to take a while. I'll be back once this is all done. Eternity ladle. All right, so after 50 ladles, basically, I've now put all of them in equal measurements. I know it seems like I ate out of the bowl. This is just my ability to get the most of my product because I'm a cheap Asian. But now we must begin the gel food coloring. I don't know how much to put in, so I'm going to start with two drops just because I need to use one drop of red and blue for purple.  I still dare him on the watch. One, two. Purple's going to be right here. Now, let's see if I can actually make the color purple because throughout my years on YouTube, I fill up three parts of this now.  What? Oh, that's like, that's just blue. I've been unsuccessful. Wait, how does this make yellow? It's literally red. Two drops for blue. Now I'm going to get a close-up of us mixing it together using the only mixing tool ever. All right, you know what? We're going to start with purple because purple doesn't get enough attention. Okay, honestly, that looks like America. Okay, on camera, I will admit, it doesn't look as good, but trust me in person, this is a very good purple. Here, I'll show it in front of this camera. See, it's purple. Okay, next up, we're going to do blue. Ooh, this is a nice blue. That's the best blue you could possibly get. Oh my God. My hand is so tired. Okay, blue is done. Now we're going to go to green. Ooh, this green's a little iffy. Ew, okay, that's not a good color. Yeah, I need to put another drop of green in here.  Yeah, it's always green.  Dude, this looks like vomit, actually. I need to put four drops of green in here. Okay, the green is as best as I could get it. I don't know if you can see or not. Yellow, I'm going to need you to not do what green did. Oh, this is the perfect shade. Yes. Look at this, perfect shade of yellow. All right, last color, red, which is probably going to be pink. I need a moment. That's what it looks like. Now that I have my colors of the rainbow, we're now going to put it into the pans. Transfer each color to a cake pan that's been lined in spray with cooking spray.  And I'm doing it all back here because I ran out of room here. First, I'm going to shake up my cooking spray and then just spray it all down. Hopefully that's enough. First comes red. Fuck, I didn't think this through. And back with the spatula.  Next up is yellow. I'm going to do it right here. Oh, look how smooth that is and how ch- Oh, there's a chunk. I also forgot to mix the bottom of it. Oh my God. All of these are about to have a white spot.  So to fix this, we're going to mix it again. Now. I don't really know. I'm just going to try. I think I fixed it as best as I could. I'm going to preheat my oven for 350 degrees Fahrenheit and then bake it for 10 to 12 minutes. And of course, my mom uses the oven as storage.  Well, this will take a while. All right. I can put them in three on top, two on the bottom. I'm also sweating profusely. So hopefully they turn out okay.  All right, so I had to bake these a little bit longer because the center would not set. But I think they're basically done. I'm just going to let them cool off. So I waited enough time to pull these babies out.  Maybe I shouldn't do this one handed. Ah, the things I do for you guys. Well, I'm really sad because the color faded with all of them. This is literally gray. Maybe if I cut into it, it's purple. Nope. Like all of them lost their color, but it tastes great. Whatever, I'll have to deal with it.  Okay. So now I have to do the icing. I could have done something basic and just buy it off the shelf, but I'm no pussy. We're making it from scratch and I wanted to do a white one, not some creative color for one because I was hoping for the cakes to stand out on their own.  Um, maybe it'll look good once I like photoshop it, but at least it tastes good. One cup shortening.  So I'm just going to use butter. One cup dairy-free margarine. So more butter. Seven cups powdered sugar. Who do they want to kill? Are you trying to give me diabetes today? Like just tell me. Yeah, I'm going to split this by half because I don't think we need this much icing. So I'm going to do three and a half cups instead. It's going to look like drugs. No matter what you do, just deal with it. I'm going to put the cup in the bowl because I don't trust this. Oh, shoot. Oh, stop, stop, stop. This is a little more than two cups. So we'll just put one and one-thirty. Fuck. All right. A pinch of salt. Beat the shortening and margarine. It's a light and fluffy.  I need a bowl. I'm using vegan butter. Regular butter kills me. Now, how do you expect me to get one cup worth of... Oh my God. This is what one cup should look like. I'm just going to slowly cut it. Oh, this is so wrong. I should have gotten the sticks. What am I thinking? Oh, that's like half a cup, I think. Another fourth of a cup. Okay, I think I got a cup in there. And that's all my butter gone. If this goes flying everywhere and into my face, I'm going to be so mad. Just pray with me that that doesn't happen. All right, ready? Here we go. We're drilling. We're drilling. This is doing virtually nothing. I think this is as light and fluffy as we can get it. I'm going to go ahead and add in the powdered sugar. Beat this, slowly add powdered sugar. It's flying everywhere. My eyes are hurting from this powdered sugar. It's starting to look like icing. You see this? I have to do this for like five minutes straight and then I can whisk it.  Wait, I kind of want it to be cream cheese frosting. I'm going to get some cream cheese. Now I didn't bother looking up a recipe, so I just eyeballed it. I put about that much in. If you want to know, I think it's about a half cup I put in. Oh my God. That tastes amazing. Wow. And if I have to add more cream cheese, I just will. I have a lot. My hands taste like confetti. Oh my God, there's powdered sugar everywhere. Everything tastes sweet now. Um, I know they told me to add oil and vanilla in, but honestly, I don't think we need it. I'm just going to add milk because I don't think we need this to be any more unhealthy than it already is. It needs more cream cheese. Dude, the cream cheese made this so thick.  That's it. Oh, it tastes amazing. So now what I'm going to do is add non-dairy milk accordingly. I'm going to slowly add more and more until it's the consistency I want. This is what the consistency looks like right now. It tastes so unhealthy and just because it's vegan doesn't mean it's not healthy for you. Like my stomach is already dying. Now we're going to just cover. Actually, you know what?  I'm already mad enough I couldn't get that to work. So we're just going to make this yellow icing. Holy crap, this is really yellow. Ugh, beautiful.  All right, this whole table is now covered in white powder. Okay, so the icing is done. I'm going to wait for those to cool off all the way and then we'll get to assembling. A few minutes later. All right, so I have been letting my icing chill in the fridge for a little bit. These are kind of like not flat.  So I'm just going to cut this across like so. Kids, don't do this at home, please. Like just ask an adult. But I can do it because I am a legal adult now. Okay, that wasn't necessarily straight. I mean, I don't know what I expected. I'm not straight. Maybe I don't have to cut it. I don't feel like cutting them all. That's going to take a lot of work. So I'm just going to keep laying them on top of each other and see like, would it actually work? I think it would. We'll just go with it. Yes. Wow, that's going to be a big cake. Add another layer.  I've been baking all day and I'm tired. Um, push it down to make it flat. You know, maybe I should have cut this flat. That's so much work. We'll cut it flat. Let me just cut off this part right now. Oh, it actually is blue.  Who cares how it looks? It tastes amazing. Yeah, I really don't know how to cut straight green on top. Dude, why can't I cut things straight? That was terrible. I just want to cut it flat. Like that's so hard. Know what? The icing will cover this all up. Everything will be fine.  Like this is so time consuming. Hate baking. I'm getting crumbs everywhere. It tastes good though. And that's what matters. We can't let them see our mistakes, guys. I'm not even having a birthday party. This is just for me. Yellow, as always, came out looking like a regular cake. Oh my God. It's so fat. We're good. We're good. We're still good. Keep going. You're good. You're good.  We did it. Of course, yellow comes through, as always. Green? No. Why would it?   I missed. Fuck. I'm not going to cut the top flat because there's no reason to. Now what we must do is try to cover this whole cake. But first, I want to try to make sure the sides are all even.  Do I? Do I do it right now? Oh, it's perfect.  We're doing it. We're going to take all these off one more time. Oh my God, please stay in time. Yeah, the screen did not make it. Don't do what I did. All right. I'm just going to cut it right now. Only to reveal a perfect circle. Woo.  There it is. And we place it on top. All right. That did not go as badly as I planned. She's a little lopsided. It's fine. Never mind, she's very lopsided. Look at all the cake I have to finish, guys. So what I want to do now is attempt to ice this. I never said I had to look good.  I did not say this would end pretty. I never promised that. But for those of you who do want to do this and have some cooking experience, don't make the mistakes I did. Be patient.  Is the sun really setting? Fuck. Oh my God, there's a whole side I haven't even frosted. I'm so tired. I don't even care if it doesn't look good. It just tastes good and I want to eat it now. I'm sorry, but cream cheese frosting.  Let's just cut into it really quick. Hold on. While it cuts well.  This is so... Well, that's why you don't make a five layer cake. Oh my God, it's really about to fall. But that is a rainbow cake if I've ever seen one.  So this is what my cake ended up looking like.  I also have a shitload of dishes to do. Doesn't look that bad once you cut into it. But three things I learned today. Cream cheese frosting is the best. Put at least four drops of food coloring into your cake and be patient when you're cutting into it. That is the end of Pride Month videos. Also, Primarch will stop selling by the end of June 30th. Get it while you can. I don't know when it comes back. But as always, I read a coming out story at the end of every video and I said I'd only do it during Pride Month, but I can do what I want and I'm gonna choose to keep reading these stories until the day I die because I think it's important for you to hear these no matter what. Every month is Pride Month in my book. So I'm just gonna read one story on Instagram. This is my coming out story to my friends only. I was walking back to school from my PE class with my best friend and it was April 1st, 2019. I told her with fake tears that I have a crush on her. Although I wasn't joking about it. I then told her these are fake tears and I don't have a crush on you, but I'm still by. She hugged me while crying, then I hugged her back, sobbing intensely.  We should definitely tell them you like them. But that's all I have for you guys today. If you enjoyed, give it a like.  I'm gonna go put myself into a food coma and as always I love you guys and everything is less than three. Don't mind me, I'm just washing dishes right now.


Hi everyone, Sean with jaskiescasebreaks.com here doing 2020-2021 up-reproduct SPX hockey five box break three random teams each number five we're all card ship and Typically randomized, you know ten spots three teams each all that other stuff Walter did it again got all the teams. So it's all his so we got all ten spots no randomizing no nothing It's all for him So here is our List Nope, no random is necessary at all Whoa, whoa, whoa tonight Walter. Are you saying in in in his different games? Like in the series Clippers aren't gonna show me I Agree they're gonna win it in six Okay, so two inner cases one two three for the left four five six for the right tonight and the series Wow That's a ball the prediction Walter Two definitely not gonna blow tonight. They're of 21 points 22 now. So this is gonna be the case This one here will be for Breaks, this is through five. So that's five six. This is seven and eight Real one-to-one let's do it Now we got to pop this open figure out which five boxes There is our ten boxes so same thing one two three for the left five right four five six for the right five To one so we're going to box on left These are for Random team number six. Here we go, Walter. Good luck man Player for Dallas I wonder what kind of odds you can get right now Walter on On Dallas for the for this game on the win. It'd probably be ridiculous, right? They're down 22 points Like no points just money line win Anybody have a live line on that? I can't wait until sports betting is a hundred percent accepted like across every state, right and Right Honestly, like I can't wait until it's like fully accepted and While we're in game like you'll see a little ticker with current betting lines. Oh So so much more exciting You need Dallas to come back a little bit. You took Clippers but margin of victory It's plus 650 right now for Dallas on the win straight up Honestly, I don't if they can't close it to within 15 Like if they can't close it to within 15 Honestly, I don't see them playing Luca in the fourth quarter. Yeah Here are lots of cool things about Canada Stephen Walter saying it's 650 right now But yeah, I don't see if they don't have it within 15. I can't I can't see them Honestly can't see them playing Luca in the third fourth quarter. It's what I love or I love too. I Do like a lot of stuff about other a lot of other places Oh, it's off the board You know I Can't say I hate the I hate the Dodgers I just don't like them and it just comes it just makes for good conversation between Joe and I it's great banter You know starting off with Martin kaut obsidian scripts rookie auto silver ink for the avalanche Apparently they crushed the king or the golden nights today Alexander bark off shadow box Florida Panthers Ovechkin OV Shoulder pad area relic for the capitals and we've got Thomas Harley Rookie Jersey autograph for the stars 180 out of 375 Yeah, we're going for krill Krill or bust or something else really nice We got Mikey Anderson out of 399 relic Nathan McKinnon out of 299 Brandon Hagel relic spx rookie jersey for the Blackhawks And Dylan Cousins 50 out of 199 for the sabers illustrious rookie signature Little silver ink there Pavel Frank goose 158 out of 299 For the avalanche silver ink illustrious rookies auto Ty Smith for the devils Niels Hoglander for the Canucks rookie jersey and Dustin Brown for the Kings We got Josh Norris Senators rookie Jersey Patrick came to 299 for the Blackhawks Nikita Kutcher off relic for the lightning and Gabe Velarde rookie Jersey auto for the Kings that is out of 375 and last box krill one time Morgan a geeky to 399 for the Hurricanes Tyler Benson To 349 for the Oilers Alex Belzil for the Canadians rookie Jersey It's not a green Jason Roberts in rookie Jersey and auto to 375 for the Dallas Stars There you go That's the break Walter. Thank you very much again the next five boxes from that case which is Random team number six is in the store now Seven and eight also from that same case The other inner case will be in there later on, but that was 2020-2021 upper deck spx hockey five box break random team edition number five from jaspy's case breaks calm I'm Sean jaspy's case breaks calm. Thanks for hanging out. See you next time


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Okay, we're back. We're live. I'm Jay Fidel. This is Community Matters and we have Dr. Elaine Bello on the phone on VMIX call and we're talking to her about coronavirus. Hi, Dr. Bello. Thank you for joining us this morning. Hi, Jay. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So tell me about your specialties. Tell me about your training and tell me about your involvement in coronavirus right now. Okay, infectious disease and internal medicine doctor at the Queens Medical Center. So I see patients with a variety of infectious diseases. I also am associate professor in the Department of Medicine at JABSOM and I work in the infection control program at the Queens Medical Center also. So we are actively in preparation at Queens to try to reduce the likelihood of people with novel coronavirus transmitting their virus within our institution. We're fortunate so far we have not had any either in the state or at Queens. Well, yeah, I think we have to step in your shoes for a minute and see it from your point of view. You're at Queens Medical Center and if somebody comes in on a plane, somebody has a temperature, presents as a possible case, there's a fair chance they're going to wind up in Queens Medical Center, am I right? And what happens then? Yeah. So we've actually had some patients who fit that profile come into our ER and we've been proactive at instituting what we call a travel screen. So patients who enter through the emergency room or one of our affiliated clinics are routinely now being asked about travel to China and specifically travel to Wuhan. If they have fever or other respiratory complaints, they are immediately masked and put into a room with a closed door until the first provider can evaluate them. And then our providers have been trained that they enter those rooms with appropriate equipment, which includes the N95 mask as well as a gown. They do their assessment and if they feel that the patient could be somebody who has the novel 2019 coronavirus, there's an immediate call to the Department of Health. Of course, in the meantime, they're also evaluated for the other respiratory viruses that are circulating right now, especially influenza. And maybe just pneumonia or routine pneumonia or routine viral pneumonia are also going around. You said there was a special kind of mask. Can you took more about the kind of mask that's effective as opposed to kind of mask that's not effective? Yes. So I think there's a lot of confusion around the mask because there are different recommendations from the CDC about what kind of mask who wears. So if a patient comes in, the first mask that's put on them is a surgical mask or one that covers the mouth and nose. And these are the same surgical masks that people wear in surgical procedures. But for providers who enter the room, we're trying to actually protect them from getting this novel 2019 virus. So they actually have more enhanced isolation, personal protective equipment. So this includes what we call an N95 mask or the equivalent and a isolation gown. So the patient's mask is intended to prevent spread of the virus in their respiratory droplets should they cough or sneeze. But the providers have an extra layer of basically the same kind of mask that we use for persons with TB, where we see people with TB. I remember reading that, you know, the Chinese early on, early means a week ago, had isolated, mapped the genome for coronavirus and that they had then shared it with the world. Is this true? And are there kits out there? And do you have kits by which you can make a confirmed diagnosis of the coronavirus? Yes. So definitely the genome, the full genome for this coronavirus is available. And there are US researchers actively trying to develop a vaccine. So the diagnostic test of choice is what we call a PCR, which is again, based on genome testing or components of the genome. So the Department of Health right now is the keeper of that test. So our regular community microbiology labs do not have access to that test. So if we have a patient that we suspect, again, we have to call the Department of Health directly. And they get involved in the collection of specimens and the testing. And the confirmatory testing at this point would probably go to the CDC. I imagine that both the masks, N95 you mentioned, and the testing kit are going to be in short supply, whether that's, you know, a real short supply or just sort of a public concern short supply going forward. And do we have sufficient kits? Do we have sufficient masks to deal with increase in the numbers of cases? Okay. So that actually was part of our preparation for this taking inventory of our availability of N95 masks for the providers, as well as the surgical masks for, you know, patients and our staff. And fortunately, again, we actually did this in advance of active planning for the novel coronavirus, because we did the surgical mask inventory in response to our efforts to contain influenza. You know, when this, sorry, go ahead. So I, you know, there's been a lot of concern, I think, on the part of the public because I guess some of the local stores are out of surgical masks. And, you know, I don't know if it's still, they're still available on Amazon. But, you know, there are other things besides just masking that that one can do to protect oneself from the virus. I mean, there are some obvious things like not traveling to China, you know, not traveling on a plane if you don't need to. Yeah. When the virus was first made public, what I saw was the incubation of three or four days. But more recently, the word is the incubation is up to two weeks. And more recently also, it seems that we've had transmission among people in the US, two people in the US who have not been to China from people who have come from China. And then finally, the other revelation here is that you can, you can catch it from somebody who shows no symptoms, who doesn't present at all in that, I guess, that 14-day incubation period. So my question to you, Dr. Bella, is this, you know, the whole defensive model is based on people coming from China, vectors from those people to other people here, and you track back from, you know, whether disease presents to see whether there was a connection with somebody who came from China. But, you know, sometimes you don't know. Sometimes in that 14-day period, it can jump from somebody who came from China to somebody who doesn't know, to somebody else who doesn't know. And I don't know how many levels it can go, but it can go to someone who has no idea about the vectors. How do you deal with that? Yeah, that is the major public health challenge that I think everyone is dealing with right now. So you're correct. Initially, it was thought that the incubation period. So the incubation period is a time between actual infection and the development of symptoms, where people with respiratory viruses may still be able to transmit the virus and the infection. So it is difficult. And, you know, there are, so I just read something today that Russia has actually closed its Chinese, you know, its border with China. So I guess that's the extreme of, you know, what one can do in a country such as Russia is to actually close the borders and not allow anyone from China to come here. So I think most countries, you know, have not taken that approach. But that would be one way to guarantee, you know, if you don't let people enter your country, then the likelihood of anybody transmitting the infection is low. But you know, we don't live in that kind of society. Well, it just strikes me on a mathematical basis. And I think this is a good backdrop to understand about how this spreads or doesn't and how it ultimately burns itself out. Is that if you have people coming from China and infecting other people, you're going to know pretty much within 14 days, or maybe a small multiple of that, the extent of the damage, the extent of the spread. But if you close the border and you say no more people from China, nobody can come in, then you can do a mathematical calculation, can't you? And say that all this will be spent. You know, the disease will burn itself out in X days because we will know, we will isolate and quarantine everybody who might be infected. And at the end of a certain period of time, there'll be no more infection possible. Am I right? Is this part of it? Yeah, so technically, but you know, there's a lot of detail that we don't know about this virus yet. So again, the incubation period went from initially two to three days and, you know, a few weeks later to 14 days. Again, I think we don't know yet the real details about transmission. And even for SARS, MERS, some of the information about vectors, about transmission, we really didn't confirm until years later. But that's one of the challenges of having acute outbreaks. You have to do the best thing based on the information you know at that time. And like I say, for again, this constantly evolving disease, there's just so much we don't know. You say evolving, and that's an interesting term because I saw something for the proposition that when coronavirus first hit the streets, so to speak, it was a certain kind of virus. But then somebody said, wait, it has mutated even in a short period of time. And that's coronavirus number two, and made worse by the mutation.  And it can, you know, keep us chasing because it keeps changing. Am I right? Yes. So again, all of this is speculation. But definitely viruses can mutate in varying time periods. You know, one of the challenges with say HIV virus, I mean, that's been one of the challenges of HIV virus, you know, the capacity to mutate over time. And again, we just don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure what I say is not inspiring confidence that we have this under control. But you know that it is what it is. Yeah. I think we all have to be realistic about it.  Why don't you pick some of your slides and help make people aware of our current state of knowledge about this virus? Maybe the first slide with that picture. So this is just some basic virology. So the name coronavirus actually comes from the crown like experience, appearance of those spikes, those protein spikes coming out from the virus. And this is a RNA virus. It can cause a range of disease in animals. And this is again important because it's thought that the current novel virus originally comes from animals. And if I can have the next slide here. And this is just another picture, the structure. Again, you can see those crown like appendages. Next slide. And this is also an interesting slide. So this actually came from my talk on the MERS virus, the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome virus. And you can see it's down there in the purple petal of this sort of branching flower here. And then right next to it in the green is the SARS virus. I actually don't have enough knowledge about the phylogeny of the novel 2019 to know whether it's going to fall either in the purple or the green or it's going to have an arm of its own. Next slide. And the coronaviruses overall are found pretty much everywhere in the world. They tend to circulate in the winter in temperate climates. And they can cause up to 10% of acute respiratory infections in adults. It also is an important cause of acute ear infections in children. And it's an infrequent cause of diarrhea in infants and children. Next slide. In adults, you can actually isolate the virus in about 4% of people who present with an acute exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. And typically it's a flu-like illness. It can cause an acute exacerbation of people with chronic bronchitis, pneumonia, and again, two of the previous important coronaviruses are the SARS virus and the MERS virus. Okay. Well, let me ask, you know, I remember that the SARS virus struck something like 8,000 people and 800 died. Of the 800 who died? Actually it was more like five, I think 5,000 total. Because there's just been some observations that the SARS count so far has exceeded the total number, I mean the novel 19 coronavirus numbers have so far exceeded the total SARS cases reported. And similar with the Middle Eastern MERS virus, I don't know the exact number, but it was a pretty substantial percentage of fatality in there by the time it spent itself. And in both cases, both SARS and MERS, health workers were a substantial percentage of the fatalities, yeah? Yes. So a lot of those health care worker cases, I think, you know, they definitely health care workers got it. But I think a lot of people were infected in those epidemics before people knew what they were dealing with. So they probably were not taking appropriate precautions. The current recommendations for any coronavirus infection, including the current one, is that, again, health care workers use both airborne and contact precautions. So that's the N95 respirator and also wearing an isolation gown and gloves and keeping people, if possible, in negative air pressure rooms. So as for what the individuals should do here or anywhere in the country, because I think it's always a possibility these days, it's a health emergency these days. One is you would use hand lotion sanitizer often and you'd wash your hands for more than 20 seconds and you keep doing that all day and you wouldn't shake hands with anybody. You'd give them the elbow maybe, but you wouldn't shake hands with them. And you'd stay your distance away from them, from everybody, to avoid the droplets getting on you, am I right? Yeah, so if I can have my last slide, I think it addresses a lot of those issues. So, you know, what can people do to protect themselves? And we've already talked about not traveling to Wuhan, not traveling to China, avoiding unnecessary plane travel or even crowds where, again, you don't know much about what the other person has. You can't control coughs or exposures.  And one of the things that we've tried to emphasize at Queens is, you know, if you if you don't need to go to the hospital or a clinic, don't come. And we discourage people who have fevers or symptoms of their own from coming into the hospital, not just for novel 2019 Coronavirus, but for influenza and other respiratory illnesses. Of course, if you have a patient who's dependent on you or a child, for instance, you have to accompany them to the healthcare setting, again, take those other appropriate precautions.  I know that if you're elderly and you have respiratory issues in your life, you're at greater risk. Or if you're very young, you have greater risk. But in the fatality in SARS and the rate of fatality in SARS and MERS was both what over 10%. I don't know exactly what it was, but and we can expect something like that here now. It's already happening something like that now. What do you do? What are the chances of beating this if you get it? Well, the majority of people have survived. Okay, but there are a percentage who have developed severe respiratory illness. And the specific term is ARDS or ARDS. Where you have severe inflammation in the lung. And there are patients who have died from the novel 2019 Coronavirus who have gone on to develop multi-organt failure. But the majority of people have survived. But in terms of the demographic risk, certainly people who have underlying lung disease, diabetes, heart disease are at greater risk of dying because they have, if they do develop a severe complication, they already have some degree, they may have some degree of organ compromise. But what is interesting so far, and I think I have a slide on the demographic of a series of 41 patients who were admitted to a hospital in Wuhan. And if you look at the demographic, you'll see that actually people in their 20s and middle age were affected just as much as the elderly. And actually the number of people, the proportion of people ending up in intensive care units was actually quite similar in all of the age groups. So remember, this is a novel virus. So nobody in, nobody has inherent immunity. Yeah. Well, just on the, on the governmental side of this, this morning I read that the World Health Organization had declared this a global medical emergency. I don't know what that means or what they can, what they are funded to do, what they, what steps they will take. At the same time, the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control, I guess that's in Atlanta, is it? They have not declared it a national emergency. And for that reason, they have not released the emergency money that they have, which they can release any time, which is $85 million. I wonder, you know, what it is, what it means to declare it an emergency, either by the World Health Organization or by the CDC? And why they're not on the same page? Okay, so I emphasize that I'm not an expert on the politics. So again, I'm just speculating here. But early on, the CDC, once there were cases outside of China, were lobbying to have this declared a, you know, worldwide pandemic. And WHO actually only today declared this an international public health emergency. But what this does for WHO, as well as the CDC, now that it's declared an international public health emergency, actually allows them more latitude in intervening and going into China to assess the situation from their points of view. So up until this point, you know, largely what we've been getting is what the Chinese government really allows to be publicized outside of China. But this also, you know, gives I think China the chance to accept some assistance in just public health assessment. So I think it's a good thing. With regard to the CDC money, I think, you know, CDC in terms of US cases, and I do have a slide also of the US cases, I think right now in the United States, I would not consider it a public health emergency either, just based on the relatively small numbers of cases. But again, as things evolve, this may change. So this is the latest data from January 29. So you can see really it's four states that have been reporting cases. So Illinois, Washington, California, and Arizona. So these are confirmed cases. There are what they call PYs or persons under investigation in larger numbers in all of those states. And I think notably, for Hawaii, you could see that we have not had any cases. But I think we are a little nervous because we are the state that's closest to China. I've heard that, you know, some say based on the experience with SARS and MERS that this will is likely to burn itself out by May of this year. And that could be completely speculative. And I've also heard it said by Novartis, a drug manufacturer and drug research company in Europe, I guess, that will take a year to develop a vaccine. But finally, I've heard, I think that Johnson and Johnson is working on a vaccine right now, and maybe more optimistic than that. So, you know, where are we in terms of a burnout? Where are we in terms of the development of a vaccine? Yeah, so I don't think we're anywhere near burnout. I don't think we've seen the curve for cases peak yet. And the vaccine, the vaccine is difficult. So once you know the genome, you can start work on the vaccine. But in the United States, vaccine development proceeds by very organized specific steps. So you have to go through phase one, phase two, phase three trials. The Food and Drug Administration has the capacity to fast track drugs, including vaccines. So I think, again, a lot of this is a moving target. And to say that, you know, by May, we're going to have burnout, I think is very difficult to predict at this point in time. Yeah. Well, thank you, Dr. Bellow, Dr. Elaine Bellow at Queens Hospital. Thank you so much for sharing all this and helping us educate ourselves on what is happening and likely to happen. Thank you so much. Aloha. All right. Thank you, Jay. Thank you for having me.


All right, ladies and gentlemen, time to get started with our next panel discussion on technology enabling sustainability. I'm going to firstly invite our session moderator on the stage. We have with us Mr. Ramchandani, who's a managing director, advisory and transaction services, India, CBRE South Asia, if I may please invite Mr. Ram on stage. He comes with more than 21 years of real estate experience and in his present capacities responsible for the overall direction, strategy and growth of the advisory and transaction services business in India. Well, joining him, our next speaker for the session, we have with us Dr. Chandrasekhar Hariharan, who's a chairman of the BCILZ Homes, if I may please invite Dr. Chandrasekhar to please come on stage as well. He's also the co-chair of the Indian Green Building Council Bangalore Chapter and is also on the Board of Governors of Atree, one of the world's top 20 environment think tanks. Moving on to our next speaker, we have with us Mr. Amitabh Satyam, who's a chief mentor of smart transformations. If I may please invite Mr. Amitabh Satyam on stage as well. He was earlier the managing partner at SAP and global consulting leader for telecom IoT at IBM. Our next speaker, Mr. Adarsh Narahari, who's the managing director of monthly primus life spaces, Private Limited and Secretary Kredi Bengaluru. He also serves as the current secretary for Kredi Bengaluru and joining him, we have Mr. John Kuruvilla, who's a chief mentor with Brigade Real State Accelerator Program and he comes with more than three decades of diverse experience with some of the biggest advertising agencies of India, like J. Walter Thompson, Lintas, now low and of course Leo Burnett. Our final speaker for the session, we have with us Mr. Kishore Jain, who's the managing director of Jain Heights, also the president-elect Kredi Bengaluru and under his guidance, Jain Heights has pioneered in nurturing the concept of style and stature in living standards. Please put your hands together to welcome all our panel members, ladies and gentlemen, and with that energy, let's march ahead and Dr. Ramu, over to you. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I hope we have a time slot available. I know we are running a little bit late. Thank you. I think we have a great panel and there was a very interesting session, the previous session that we had and there was a lot spoken about how we can manage developments around transit-oriented schemes and what really are some of the challenges that Bangalore faces. But I think while this conclave is more about what's happening in the southern markets and our topic is fairly interesting in terms of how can sustainability, how can we enable sustainability with technology? And obviously we have a few developers on the panel and obviously John and Amitabh, who are predominantly on the technology side. So fairly interesting conversation we're going to have. I'll pose this question, my first question to the developer fraternity over here. In terms of what are you really seeing in your developments and over the years you've obviously changed the way you have actually developed whether it's commercial, retail, residential schemes. What are you really doing in terms of creating these sustainable environments? And do you really use technology in creating these environments? Do you want to share your views, Kishore? We'll start with you. Generally for the business there will be two major functions, what is to produce and sell. And for a real estate we have the third function, the third angle, that is the regulatory. So not only we have to build, we have to sell again. At the same time we have to be compliant with the regulatory authority also. So now see how the technology has played a role in all the three aspects of doing business. The first and foremost challenge which we find with the regulatory. Maybe the wish list will be if we can have some digitalization with the regulatory authority in terms of the land, in terms of the approval process. Although some initiatives have been taken up but it's not adequate enough for the authority to move forward. Coming to construction. The construction technology in the country was always primitive in nature. And very, and off late in the last 20 years only. For manually there was a very gradual transition from gradual manually to the mechanization of the construction technology. The one thing, the one aspect which has been a dramatic or a phenomenal raise of the phenomenal use of technology was the selling part. The way the, it has changed the whole aspect. The way we used to do marketing, selling and other things. What are the business operations because of the use of technology has become more and more efficient and high performance. This is how the things have been changed off late. Good afternoon everyone. I know we have the afternoon session. I hope everybody's woken up after their lunch. So with respect to technology and construction, I'll just break it up because we're here to talk about sustainability. Technology for sustainability I'll talk about in a bit. But technology in construction primarily around like what Mr. Kishore said is your ERP systems, your way to reach the customer. And the way you coordinate with your different vendors. Typically this is what real estate has been using now for a while. The physical construction as such has not really evolved over a long period of time. We still talk about precast, we talk about tunnel form, but as such there's been no disruption I believe. Technologically in the physical construction of the way real estate works. On a sustainable side, fortunately or unfortunately most of us have been driven by government policies and norms in terms of wastewater recycling, in terms of STP, in terms of what the amount of dust in the air. So I think the real challenge here is the occupiers or the home buyers are maybe not as much demanding as they would be in other parts of the world or the occupiers are not ready to pay a premium. So if there is a greedy office space, let's say not platinum rated and it's going at 60 rupees. And there is another person who probably is platinum rated, he spent a lot of money. He spent maybe four and a half thousand rupees a square feet. There is no real delta there in the rent which would justify the spend in money. So unless that changes, unless the occupiers of real estate start paying the premium for bringing in this technology from around the world. Be it in electricity, be it in utilities, be it in through solar, whatever there are. And we have better people on the panel to talk about the technologies available. But unless the business case changes for a developer that there is a premium. Yes, you have a platinum rated building, you have the most green building in town. Here is the delta for you. Unless that happens, I don't see it being adopted by the developer community going forward. So Hariran, you've built a lot of green buildings over the years and very sustainable schemes, you want to share your views? Sure, but I won't come from this, the narrower context of just the building sector. I'd like you to reflect on the following. Today we have about 12 billion square meters of buildings across India built over all time shall we say. Between now and about 2030, the figure could shift to say 2032 or so. We're going to have another 18 billion square meters by every single account. There are researchers from within the industry, from elsewhere, who are testifying to this. And there is enough evidence to show you that by 2030, no more than 40% of the buildings that existed in 2015 would be that part of it from the past. That 60% more have been built. The second is this, we talk about the reality sector. I know this is a forum for reality sector professionals, consultants, architects, builders, and so on. But the quantum of spend between now and 2019 March. I'm not even talking of anything beyond that. Just the next 18 months and less is about 95,000 crores on highways. The government has announced 25,000 kilometers of rail lines, and that is going to cost them about 145 lakh crores. You divide that by 5,000 crores, and you will know our 6,000, and you will get this many billion dollars. The third is that the government has announced this. This is announced about a year ago, 50 airports, and the cost for that has been set at about 20,000 crores. Don't ask me what the cities are. It's listed, tier 2, tier 3, and so on. The challenge of sustainability and technology is therefore not lying in homes or in the residential sector. It's not even lying in the commercial sector, which in any case is going to grow something like six times from what it is today. The figure is no more than about, is that about 12, or is it 14 million square feet of commissioned commercial buildings? I'm not talking of those that are still under construction. Now, what can therefore be changed in these areas? There are only four areas where you can bring any change. You heard a lot of the government bashing that happened in the previous session. I wish Narish was here in Balkrishna because I had taken them on a few things. Solutions wherein spoken about. All we can do is, and thankfully here in this section, we are talking about private sector initiatives when we talk technology and sustainability. But having said this, look at this one single data that I will give you. Drone-based surveys for the next three years need 150,000 civil engineers. They're not available for just drone-based surveys. Look at this, let's not talk technology. Simply because of drone-based surveys, what has happened is for every kilometer of those eight lane highways, every kilometer is about four acres that you take as land, or consume as land. What has happened is because of the precision of contour surveys, the saving in aggregate and in sand has been as much as 27 to 28% they say. Now they have not said that, well, we have found a replacement for sand or for aggregate. The lament is still there, where are we going to get sand? We have no rivers and no riverbeds and so on. But the point is that this kind of subtle technologies which are not coming because of seminars that we hold and all the breastfeeding on sustainability, it is happening simply because of the sheer efficiency of slight shifts in engineering and of course the quantum of buildings that are happening or construction that is happening. So if I take just these three segments which is non-reality, the quantum of saving that we can bring about with very, very simple shifts in technology is going to make a very big difference in the quantum, in the natural resource effectiveness or use of natural resources. We just don't have it. We are on the top of the heap when it comes to water scarcity. We are the most natural resource scarce economy today in the world. We have got the fastest growing whatever GDP in the world just now. We are the second largest when it comes to green buildings and certification. We are at five billion square feet. We are on CAGR, if you look at it, we are the second largest only after the US on green buildings and certification, year upon year from 2011 consistently. We are the second largest, not even China. The last I will say is there is, believe me, this is a human species moment, not just India's. By 2025, we are talking sustainability, 30% of all your IC engines, every car and scooter that you're running is going to definitely by mandate become electric. How is it going to happen? How are we going to have cars which run at 400 kilometers today to run at 1,000 kilometers on a fast charge battery at 20 minutes? This is, believe me, this is seriously on and real. It's happening by 2025 at 30%. If I go back to the Paris protocol that we signed, Modi signed after his government came in, we have to reach by 2030, 30% of the 2005 levels are carbon emission. We can't reach it unless you and I, all of us bring that change. 40% of India, about 400 million people, have to bring this change in the ways that our behavior itself changes. And that is not to do with technology. Technology will foist it upon us, like telephones have done to you.  All you have to do is whenever you have 20 minutes, open something and find a technology or something that you can use as a solution without having to buy it from a consultant. I'll stop for now. Very interesting data shed, and that's true, and we obviously worried. When you say we're going to have electric run cars, the question is where are the roads? Yeah, where is the electricity, of course? Where are the roads? And it all come through. Since you raised this about electricity, let me put it this way. In just 2015, 16, one year, we don't have the data for the current year. I mean for 2016, 17, data is still not coming in reliable ways. The quantum of megawatts, that is every kilowatt saved becomes a megawatt, every megawatt saved becomes a megawatt. The quantum of energy saved because of this one super-esco. I'd like you to Google EESL, WESL. This is a government private sector, public sector, whatever, energy supply company. The saved megawatt is more than the renewable energy generated in this country in just that one year. And this year, the figure is even larger. Institutions like AEE, BEE, and now BEE is transforming into another kind of organization. They are coming up with some really rapid sort of situations, and they're hitting all the low-hanging fruits. They're taking public street lighting, for instance. They started with Puducherry, that was in 2014, I think. So energy is going to get decentralized, and it's happening at the rooftop levels also. You saw this morning, suddenly IFC has decided that they will invest some 15 million dollars in one renewable energy company. And I'm telling you, this is just the cusp of an entire set of such changes, massive shifts that will happen, to get you to see that you generate energy at the localized levels. I just thought I must mention this since you brought up energy. John and Amitabh, the questions posed to you. I mean, you've obviously been involved with a lot of the technology players who are actually working on the real estate sector in focus. You wanna share your views on how much of it is gonna impact in terms of creating sustainable environments. And obviously, what role can the government play? Because in reality, we're talking of the government playing a larger role here to get things going, while the private sector does their bit. You wanna share your views? All right, so I'll go, okay. I'll leave the government part to you. This, we've been talking about this by 2035, no, too many cars, too many people, the requirement of roads that we don't have and housing. I think 2035 is very, very far away. I don't think it's going to be the linear growth or exponential growth of population or the road or the cars are going to be there. I think I propose that most likely the number of cars will significantly go down. Even the travel will go down significantly. A lot of work will be done remotely. The technologies of today will make it possible for most of us to not have to commute unless you wanna go on a vacation. So I think things are going to be very different. The energy consumption per capita need not increase as it is increasing today. So sustainability and technology are, if you think about it from the real-estate perspective, they're in conflict, right? When you construct a building, you're obviously destroying the environment by definition. Even if you look at a 2000 square foot or 1500 square foot apartment, we are looking at using thousands of kilos of sand and cement and steel, and each one consumes hundreds of kilos of petrol. So to make one kilo of steel or iron rods, you need about 600 grams of, so three liters of petrol gives you two kilograms of steel. So you are already hurting the environment. So how do we actually even look at, so I'm just looking at the future of it, just like the cars and the transportation. I think even the real estate industry will have to see how do we increase the utilization of existing resources. This is something that I have been promoting that currently if you look at a real estate, and look at an office building for that matter, my office somewhere, 200 square feet office, I use it out of seven by 24 hours. I'm only using it for 30, 40 hours a week. Most of the time it's completely unutilized. Similarly, if you look at, so I actually in my book, I joke about this, it's like having a private tennis court. You go play for an hour and then you're gone and it's available to you all the time. Similarly, your office is like that, so we have to increase utilization. I know we can see the sharing of offices becoming more popular now when you have a conference room that is usually not utilized, now it's shared by people. So we have the information technology, we have concept called cloud. So similar concepts are coming into real estate where we are sharing resources and optimizing the utilization of resources. Now, there are three aspects of how technology contributes to sustainability and how you are able to reduce overall cost. And the cost here is not in repeat term, but it is actually how much load you're adding to nature. So if you're containing, you are matching the growth with sustainability by measuring the cost in load of nature, like the number of kilos of petrol or liters of petrol you're using. Even during the design phase, right now if you look at the Indian industry is about $400, $500 billion hitting plan to hit about a trillion dollars in about five, seven years, that is the kind of amount of money that is going in. Even if you're able to save 10%, you can imagine how much we can save, right? 10%. Now that 10% is very possible. You look at the amount, my house in Mumbai that I built few years ago, they put like so much material into this and I'm thinking how do you decide how much? He said, well, we kind of have an experience. If you were to just optimize the use of materials of the existing materials today, we can save 10% to 20%. Even if you go to small towns, they don't have any architectural designs. They don't know how to find the right optimum amount of cement, et cetera, to use. We overdo things. I think if you just were able to intelligently advise that this is the amount of material you need, I think we'll save 10% to 20% low-down nature. We'll be extracting less material from the nature, cement or otherwise. And similarly, if you are able to look at the newer designs, and I keep joking about this, a typical house costs about one crore and a mobile phone costs about 10,000 rupees. But look at the number of engineers. Everybody's going into mobile phone, I mean mobile means internet, IT, all of that. I'm just encapsulating off on the mobile phone. So look at the opportunities that we have. Where is one crore, where is a 10,000 rupees, and everybody's working on the 10,000 rupees product? We should have to direct our engineers towards a 1 crore product and see if we can bring it down by 10 to 20 to 30%. I think it's very possible if you're able to reduce the material cost, create new materials which are stronger and thinner, requires less strength. What may happen is that the heights that you can build may have to come down a little with the newer material, which are a little bit not as strong. You are able to build maybe only five floors, but we have to find the right optimum cost of constructing a building by maximizing the square footage and minimizing the cost. So there are many different ways and I keep focusing on materials rather than IT. I know IT with the drones, with the 3D printing, and ERP and mobility, huge number of solutions, the logistics becomes cheaper. So the IT will bring in your cost by 10 to 20% anyway. Your total time taken from five years to three years, that will happen anyway, that's a given. In fact, almost no cost. We don't have to invest much, we just have to institutionalize our processes. But our focus has to be how you relate to the load on nature, to the cost, which is measured in terms of energy and material. So that's the technology we should be using. Sure. So I'm going to take a very pragmatic approach. I'm going to present data, which will stop, move to you the problem, and I'm going to actually give you solutions that can handle those problems. I came to Bangalore first in 73 from Kerala on a holiday. And do you know what was the number of hectares of built-up area and what was the number of hectares of vegetation? I'll just give you data points and I'll ask you a second question. In 73, built-up area was 5683 hectares, whereas vegetation was 48,650 hectares. Which means 68.2% of the land base in Bangalore was vegetation and 7.9% sorry, 93% was vegetation and 7.9, 1999. The built-up area went up from 5,683 hectares to 25,202 hectares. And the vegetation came down from 48,000 to 32,000. You'll be shocked to know that in 2020, the built-up area is going to go up to 66,455 hectares and the vegetation is going to come down to 2,108 hectares. Bangalore is going to be unlivable. Add to that another interesting, I love data. In 1973, there were 207 lakes occupying 2,324 hectares, which means one lake on an average was 110 hectares in size. In 2013, 13, there were 93 lakes and 446 hectares, which means each lake, the size was five hectares. So not only have lakes shrunk in numbers, they've also shrunk in size. I'll add another data point. 20 years back, the groundwater table in Bangalore in most places was 28 feet. Today it's more than 1,800 feet. Stock problems on one side. Water causes, lakes are polluted because only 30% of sewage is treated by sewage treatment plants. Out of 18,000,000 properties, hello, yeah. Very few houses have rainwater harvesting structure. And the population of Bangalore is going to grow up by another 40,000 people. Now this is the reality. You can't change it. Can technology intervene to do something? In this room, there are four companies sitting here. One is a company called EcoSTP, which can actually bring down maintenance of STP plants of builders to zero. Same cost, zero. There's another startup here called VGOT, which for 136 apartment project in Chennai has saved them 1,750 kilowatts of water a month. They save them now about two lakh rupees a month. There's a third startup here, which uses sensors and reduce electricity consumption based on smart lighting by about 28%. So on one side, you have a problem you can't run away from. And Ram government let them govern. Don't get them involved here. There are startups, there are builders, and let me tell you one thing, a lot of builder friends of mine today are adopting technology far more rapidly. When Jayashank and Nrupah and I met 18 months back, their brief was very simple. John, real estate and construction in India only invest 0.9% of their revenue in R&D. The threshold across industry is 3.3. Can you help us find startups that can help the real estate industry actually deploy their technology to bring in extra efficiency or reduce costs? So that, Ram, is my perspective. Sorry, I just want to, just like you, John, I also love statistics and numbers. So you mentioned that 92% in 2020 is gonna be covered. I wanna debate that number a bit. Just to give you, I'm a developer, so I understand real estate. The ground coverage, maximum ground coverage, allowed to get a plant sanction is 50%. And for your information, I've read that report. I can pull out at least 100 things that are wrong with that report on the statistics. So if 50% is the maximum ground coverage allowed, how can 92% be covered area? Simple, first question. Second thing, you mentioned about lakes.  So the water that goes out of plant sanctioned buildings is actually clean water. They are going and mixing with the sewage water, which is going into lakes, right? So if lakes are shrinking and lakes are getting polluted, I think BWSSB needs to be hauled up. I think the private developers are the ones who are actually leaving treated water out of their communities. I was not pointing fingers at any community. I was saying that this is the reality. And a lot of real estate builders are taking cognizance of doing exactly what you're saying. In fact, a lot of builders that I know in this room are now investing in technology, far more than is required to make sure that Bangalore stays livable. I'm glad that, you know, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. I'm glad that John's turning towards the positive side of things. We can keep bashing things. We can keep talking about all the grim news and the bad news that we have from the past or into the future. Energy, water, waste, as he said now. You know, all these three areas, any company which has started in the last six, seven years, forget the last 18 months, has had a CAGR, the industry segments have had a CAGR of more than 25%. If you Googled highest CAGR industry segments in India, you will find nearly 90% of them. Forget startups of today. I'm talking about 2013, 2014. They'll all be only in these three areas. Go back to what Amitabh said.  You know, there is a quiet revolution happening. Like somebody said in the previous session, well, there are no government officers here. And we love taking them on, you know. There are something like 600 administrative officers, different carers from 25 years to, you know, as little as, let us say about eight or 10 years for city commissioners who have now been working on these 142 cities. There are about 17 countries which are coming in participating, not simply at the technology levels. And as he said, technology is a given thing, you know. They are coming in to see what they can do at urban infrastructure levels. Three billion dollars are being spent, three billion dollars spent for over only 49 projects. Now don't ask me how many cities, the data is not available on, you know, for various reasons so far off the 142 cities. The government says that they have done only about 88 cities where the launch of these projects have happened. And I'm not going to go into what the smart city verticals are, where there are, you know, there are projects of various kinds that are happening in these. The point is this, sustainability and technology, even if they are sometimes in conflict like Amitabh says, is going to seek a quiet kind of a revolution without us talking about it happening in these 140 odd cities between now. And I would think about 2022, because that's the date that this government has set. This government is going to come back again by 2019, is I think a reasonable certainty, and they're going to keep the pace going. And as you've seen, no government which comes, no matter what the political party is, there is nothing reversed once it's been set charge. It's like a toothpaste. You take it out, you don't put it back. So every liberalized step is going to stay there. John is right. All I will say is energy, water, waste, air management. There is a guy sitting in Delhi. He started this company no more than about three years ago. He didn't do any more than 60 lakhs for the first two years. He's done 10 crores in the last March financial year. And what does he do? He sits in a room like this, he will put one gizmo on the table, dramatically show you how at the end of this, if it has started at 1200 PPM as carbon, it has gone up to something like 3000, and he tells you what do you want to do with the quality of air in your room. And he's got devices which sell at 8000 rupees, 12000 rupees. He's disrupted technology, disrupted cost. He's bought some of these things, breathe easy labs. You know, this is Varun, you're talking of another one. So that is air is the fourth, talking of materials. Istanbul has implemented this. There are a couple of projects coming up in Bangalore. I won't take names. Where a 66 meter building is coming up in, the shell is coming up in no more than eight months. You do your math on how many slabs has he raised in each month. And how does he do it? And that's a story. Go to anything of these kinds that has been done in Istanbul. Actually the technology first started of such a construction in Australia. I don't know why Turkey took to it. They are building massively. You saw what Modi is threatening as of this morning. He's taking on the building sector. And he's saying, you guys, if you don't shape up, you've got to ship out. He's saying that there's 40 million homes to be built, and I don't want them to be these luxury homes that some of us builders do. Clear the messages. And you know the amount of builder bashing that has happened in this country for the last seven, eight months. Very unfortunate, but that's how it is. The technology shifts that John's talking about, or Amitabh has said, is going to, it's inevitable. It is happening actually. We don't even have to talk about it. How do builders, I mean Kishore is doing some very distinguished projects, how do we ensure that in these three areas alone, which is what a builder is actually concerned about? Energy, water, and waste, how does he take to simple things like this with no additional cost, with the same things that he has to do, of course, if you don't mandate it, if you don't use the stick, we don't do it, or let us say somebody like others who actually owns the building, he has got to have maintenance. If he's spending, let us say 21 rupees a square foot, I don't know how much he spends, can he bring this down to 15, and that delta of six rupees, he gets back on some sort of a payback with new installations that he makes, even if it is a retrofit. These are all happening within the industry today. There is simply nothing that is surprising to me as a matter of fact. Yeah. Thank you. Coming back to you with Adarsh and Kishore. What are some of the technologies you're really implementing on building your schemes, as well as managing your schemes? And have you really implemented them, or in your previous point where you said, will my customer pay for it, so I don't want to implement it? So are you aware of what's really out there, and are you really doing it? So Ram, like I mentioned earlier regarding technology, on the construction side, it's more to do with faster, like what Mr. Harehan was talking about, tunnel form. I think we were referring to tunnel form. So a few developers are using that already. It's possible to achieve a slab cycle in a single day. The real question from a business point of view is whether your sale is going to keep up with your construction. So that's a completely different question. But certainly technology has helped speed up the process, tunnel form, precast, and so on and so forth. But where developers are really using technology is to make their own offices more efficient in terms of coordination between departments to use their ERPs, maybe SAP, maybe any other product, to get the customer quicker to reach the, on those sides we are seeing. And a lot of products are now coming in the maintenance space, good quality building management systems. We are able to bring down the cam. So a lot of technology is happening around that. Around sustainability, some of the things have now become a norm, solar for the rooftop, rainwater harvesting, sewage treatment plant. These are all, these things were considered as a green initiative a few years back. Now I think if you don't have it, nobody's going to turn into a building. A lot of the good quality tenants demand a lot more than this. They'll have norms in terms of how much of heat your building generates, what kind of HVAC system you're supposed to have. So we are driven, as developers, normally we're driven more by business need. So once the occupiers up their standard, so to speak, I think the developer catches up to that standard. Of course a few people always break away and try to do something unique. I think the ones who break away the market is not yet there to pay the extra premium. But most certainly there's going to be a lot more technology that's going to come into play in construction in terms of materials. So in terms of carbon footprint, the process of manufacturing cement actually creates more carbon than the process of putting the building together. So the work that happens below the earth actually gives out more carbon than the stuff that happens above the earth. So I think we'll see a lot more norms coming in from the regulators. Where I really wish for technology to come in is from the government side, because while everybody in the private sector speed is getting faster, the number of steps before you get to a decision is faster, the exact opposite is happening with government. If there were 10 steps earlier, now there are 20 steps. If a plant sanction took six months, it takes one and a half years now. So that's very unfortunate, because if a computer can generate a drawing, a computer can approve a drawing. So I really hope something happens on that side of it. Yeah, that's about it on the technology. In fact, the commercial building which we are occupied, which when we have built, we were not aware of this green concept. Design and built keeping the cost in the mind and how it can be properly ventilated so that the uses of AC, etc. can be reduced. And eventually the building was completed. And one of the residential project where we, by decision, we thought, let's design a green building. So while designing the green building, we came to know the commercial building which we have done already. It's surpassing the gold standard. And this is how all the journey started. And the green building, the green residential building, which we are aiming for a platinum, aiming for a platinum, and purely at a design level it is. It has been designed and almost touching to the platinum level. But then we saw the flip side of it in terms of designing only. The challenges of designing a green building was. One was architects were never happy. This is somewhere restricting our innovation in terms of the facade design. My cost, I think you mentioned about the cost, Mr. Amitabh. In fact, I would like to add up on the cost aspect. In this market scenario, real estate is going through the unprecedented challenge here. I'm sure every developer and every employee of our organization, constantly 24 by 7, professionally or personally, always keeping cost in the mind. So every time you're seeing how it can optimize all the operations, sir, it has gone deep down at the DNA level. So this is how the costing part. So when we go to the QS, when they do estimation, and because of the lack of awareness of the green building product available in the market, and which are very limited, which gives us a lesser bargaining power to us, and that in turn will increase the cost. This can be one of the main constraint which we force in the green building design. And of course the design part. And one of the things which we found very interesting Mr. Hariharan, you can look into that aspect. The pointing system in the green building was not weighted, it was unweighted like that. So it's all about the points only.  So the gaming of the system has started at the design level. So this is one thing which we found. And plus the discouraging factor was when we go to customers, they won't bother. There's no premium attach to it. When you go particularly to the residential sector, there's no premium attach to it. Although you end up incurring costs in double digit. Some of you try to constrain that. So the premium is lacking. Of course, there are some intangible benefits of a green building. The marketability is very, very high. The moment you say it's green building, the marketability is high, and somewhere it adds up to the corporate image also, it reflects, you are a responsible developer.  This is on the design part. And the construction part, we wanted to use for one of the commercial building in the heart of the city with the prefab technology. So designed accordingly, and when we approach to the prefab technology, then the challenge was being in the heart of the city, the logistical challenge. And you need that kind of scale to have the prefab technology. And eventually to cut short, we ended up with the PT, pretence and stress technology. So there are, yes, the answer is a design level and execution level. Users of technology is very, very high. Thanks, Kishore. I just want to add to what others you said. There's a company in the US called Solidia. Solidia has completely disrupted cement manufacturing. It uses 40% less water, sets in seven hours, and produces 60% less CO2. They raise $100 million, and within, to your point, three years they were acquired by one of the world's largest cement manufacturers. Another company, you talked of green building, I met a builder, Suhail. On his rooftop, he had created vegetable gardens. He told me I have three problems. A, there's a lot of water seepage. B, there is, you need tensile strength for the pillars because each kilo of mud is 80, each square foot of mud is 80 kilograms. So there's another startup called Natural, which actually brought in capillary-based coco peat, which produces no leakage, weighs one-tenth the size, and comes with manure in the system. So a lot of technology happening. A lot of builders are slowly adopting them. In fact, heartening news, Ram, and you know this, many of these builders are now investing in these young companies, which is, I think, the best thing about what's happening to this industry. You know, actually people say that early movers have an advantage if you are innovators and pioneers. Things like these that he's talking about, there's a Hyderabad company I know of, in 2006, he started with Vermiclight, and a third of what weight and gravity will be, value will be when it comes to pods and plants and such things. And these are things now that are getting to be recognized. Back to what Kishore said, see if you look at any rating system, and the ratings, I stand by them only because what used to be emotion, what used to be passion and sustainability as such things have actually become methodology based today, and any engineer down the line or an architect down the line, I'm surprised that there is an architect who's resisting things when it comes to being directions. What happens here is there are 100 points if you go to an IGBC system, if you go to an EDGE or a VEL, or a GBCI rating system, or even say LEED, for instance, which comes from the USGBC, or GRIHAR, which is homegrown and government-owned, you will see that by and large they have things that are more or less the same. There's nothing that is very much different. It's the approach. And as Kishore said, you go with the building, you go with actually intent, your certification is the basis of only design intent, intent of design, which means that as you go along and you execute the project, at the end of it, let's say you have not done some of the few things that you first testified to or sought to do, well, a platinum can become a gold or some such thing. And there are challenges here too in terms of what you have marketed and what you have delivered to the customer. There are, what is it called? There are mechanisms, as backup mechanisms go, for ensuring that a person who has applied is not actually defaulting on any of these things. And I'm not going there today.  And I don't know if your architect is working with a green consultant. What they are doing is this. The first concern that a builder has is cost. Today, you are probably doing it about 18, 50, 1900 rupees per square foot, if you're an apartment builder. And as Amitabh said, cost is a challenge anywhere. You ask any white man who comes to this country and offers a technology, the first thing that the Indian businessman wants to know is cost. Don't tell me about anything else. I mean, you can talk about your technology after that sort of thing. If you're talking, say, any of these technologies that John is also talking about today, they are coming at, surprisingly, they're coming at cost that we didn't have even in 2012, 2011. Costs are disrupted, technology is disrupted. I mean, you could buy a solar system per kilowatt at four and a half lakhs in 2010. I was one of those foolish guys who did that. Today, I'm buying at 70,000 to 80,000 rupees. We have got 140 homes generating 380,000 units, which are the 10x of the central grid, is four million units that is saved for the central power grid. Someone said this, I think it was Kishore or Ram, I'm not so sure. We have to get the government out of the system. I think John said this somewhere. We have to think that there is no government and we are in a unique situation here if you're within the private sector and working buildings where you can shape your destiny to somewhat, I mean, barring all those regulation challenges that we all have. You can do these things without having to go to the government and without having to spend more money. I think there isn't very much conflict, therefore. And sustainability, I think, is not a word that we need to be using anymore. We need to do this simply because the customer needs a better thing that you want to give. And the building industry actually has moved into a slightly more professional mode than it was, let us say, in 2011 or 2012. Yeah, I've just been told that we have to open up for questions. Should we... One last point Amitabh and John and then... Another one, I mean, I wanted to say that too, that about sustainability, about renewable energy and so many things that we have been talking about. I mean, I sometimes end up looking 10 years ahead and I see these problems solved already. I don't even see that these are structural problems anymore. We already have in India a gigabit, not gigabit. I'm used to saying that. Gigawatt solar energy plants. And these are increasing. I mean, the prices have come down so much. So the energy availability is not going to be a problem. Even the pollution is going to decrease. The number of commutes are going to decrease. Number of new construction is likely to increase just because we don't have any, but other countries should reduce. So overall, in 10 years, I personally don't see a serious problem of sustainability or environment or even availability of energy. And the second minor point is that the green definition or that green, we use those green certifications for our buildings, they have very restricted definition. So I use the word smart index actually. I have created a methodology called a smart index which is more encompasses many more things. I think it's a little bit more complete. So anyway, another time, thank you. I can vouch for the technology platforms that are really being coming and what are really already adopted globally in the western world and in most matured markets. And the technology that's already there for India, there's so much to solve for in India. And as John pointed out, there are so many startups in India who are really working towards some of the challenges that we have in India and not necessarily that are out there in the US or in the European markets. So there's enough of technology that's been developed in India for India. I think the key is how do we make it aware to the community as a whole?  So do they really need to pay a premium for it? End of the day, you're creating those environments, those communities. I don't see a challenge in the occupiers actually paying for that quality or that environment so long as you're making sure you're telling them what you're providing. We'll just open up the room for questions to the panel. So any questions for the panelists? Yeah, I'm Divya Tiwari. I'm from an organization called Sahas. We are into waste management. My question is, you all of you have talked about the standards. Now the other aspect is there are a lot of organizations like us who are trying to provide and come up with solutions and technologies around sustainability. Real estate can really play a big role in helping our organizations like us to grow and build capacities. But we often see that the focus on sustainability remains in energy and water because the weightage given to these two aspects in your standards is quite high. Is it now time to look at your standards and see what are the current problems that the country is facing? And I would say waste is very high up there. Can you look at reframing these standards to give more weightage to the real problems? Energy in a way is taken care of because you improve your energy and efficiency cost anyway comes down. So is the case within a way for water also. So can you look at your current issues and how your standards actually represent the current problems and hence encourage solutions around it? That's a very important point and thank you for raising waste. I'll just give you one example. I mean, a lot of you live in communities.  The bigger problem is that people actually don't care about it. They just dump everything down unless you're in a building or a community where it's very strictly adhered to. While the key is that there are enough technologies available how to manage waste, the key is how many of the people actually really take that to importance and manage their waste out of their homes. You wanna take that, Hari? Divya, your question has two parts to it if I understand you right. One is the reluctance of a customer. Call him a resident welfare association if it's a retrofit or a builder if he's doing a new project. The second is regulation itself. Why is it not incentivizing with maybe more points or some such thing in the green guidelines in order to see that we are able to have waste mandated in some ways or put into place into every apartment, every project? Now, on the second part of it, I've already discussed it with you. We'll have to see how we mobilize as you're doing today. Public opinion, builder opinion in a way that we are able to raise that 10 points that we have on the 100 on the green guideline to see if it can be maybe 15, 16. As a matter of fact, in that 10 as you pointed out the other day, only two points go for actual doing a wastewater inside a campus. The rest of it is going for everything else, not for wastewater. Kishore, since you have gone through this process on wastewater, what is the challenge you found when you applied for platinum? Maybe with that we can close this. Anything on technology also? So about 80% of our country does not have access to any waste management system, solid or liquid because when we hear, think about cities but if you go to the, if you exclude the top 20 cities, the 21st onwards all the way to 125 crore people, they don't have waste management. So imagine the laced potato chips being sold in small villages. How do they dispose of the waste? Every time I go home, I find that they're lying everywhere and there is no organized way of even dealing with it. So I understand that this management of waste that of course the chemical waste management that we put into reverse and this is one aspect that can actually be treated. But why are we even generating so much waste? I think we have to be asking this fundamental question and I keep referring to this in my book as well, is that what is the need to generate so much waste that we have to even deal with management of it? We can very easily, I looked at our life and I mapped our life into several things and I realized that we can actually very well do away with a lot of waste that we don't even have to create. So our waste, amount of waste can go down just by simply transforming our life and incorporating more green processes. Now, for example, I showed this bottle and there are many things like that everywhere we go. I am personally generating one kilo of waste every day that's being very conscious. So let us target to generate half of what we do today in five years and another half of that in other five years by then you would not have any waste to your process. I'll just take 10 seconds on what Amitabh has said on waste itself. It's a concern all right, I am not disputing that. I'm not even saying this, not to see that it's consolation. This is the second public meeting where I'm offering this. Please Google it, it will not take you two minutes to find out this. 45 million tons, waste per annum, India generates. Ask what it is for China. The figure is sitting at 187 or 190 million tons, four times ours. Ask what it is in the United States. It's at 260 million tons today and they are a third of our population with three times our land mass. With that note, we'll just end the session. We can take questions offline later on in the evening. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm gonna once again request to all our panel members to please remain on the stage. I'd like to invite Mr. Santosh Kumar from Supreme Industries to please come on the stage. I'm gonna request Mr. Santosh Kumar from Supreme Industries to please present a token of appreciation to all of our panel members. And can we have a round of applause to thank all of our panelists here for another very enriching session. I'm gonna request to all our panel members, sir, if you may please remain on the stage. Thank you very much.


Justice Barb Square, we may all refer to High Court in our drakity, has adjourned a suit instituted by the Yoruba Self-Determination Group in La Norma, Odua, seeking interpretations of certain clauses of the 1999 constitution till May 11 this year. The suit was also sought in order, stopping the government elections in akity and ocean states. Respondents in the suit, the Attorney General of the Federation and the Independent National Electrical Commission were absent in court. Prosecuting counsel Tolu Babalaya says the Ilanomo Odua, worldwide, who was seeking self-determination as a right, have approached the court of law for address of Nigeria's constitution instead of taking to the streets. One of the claimants, Bayo Oureire, said the suit becomes important as a result of ethnic cleansing experienced in parts of Nigeria. We serve them, we serve them, that is the Attorney General of the Federation and I know they are not here, but the court has granted another adjournment for 11th of May and gave order also that we should serve them hearing notice. So if they are not here on 11th of May, we will proceed. The court will not wait for anybody because they have already been served, they are aware of this date. But the case is coming up for the first time, the court wants to give them another opportunity. We are of the opinion that the constitution we have in Nigeria is 40. When the 1999 constitution was provided, we didn't have sort. Some people were just selected by the military government to write a paper on our behalf and not all of us were carried along. So even after writing the constitution, the constitution is expected to go through referendum. Some communities, they use plebiscite and all of that. So we feel that the constitution is 40 and that's why we have come to the court to explain to us why and to seek nullification of that constitution so that we can have a fresh start. And we are saying that if there is something wrong with the constitution, every other thing you build on the constitution is 40.


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