Okay, let's talk about external pre-built binary toolchains in the Yachta project. So my name is Dennis Dmitryenko, and I'm with Texas Instruments, LCPD and ARAGA project. So let's start with some definitions. So what is the external pre-built binary toolchain? So basically it's a cross-compilation toolchain, compiler, assemble, linker, even GPC system library. That is acquired or comes from a third party or someone else in a binary pre-built form. So executable some libraries and target libraries and is not built by the Yachta project from sources, which is the default method. So if you are familiar with the Yachta project, that you know that the toolchain gets built when you start building target content, which is a standard process for several reasons. First of all is being in complete control over the toolchain. So, but we're gonna be talking about how to use third party pre-built toolchain. So why so many qualifiers, external, pre-built, and binary? So that is, you can use either of those, but basically using just one of those may not be very sufficient. So external, which is versus the Yachta project or for that matter, open embedded default method of building one of cells internally as part of the build process. So it comes from external, it comes as external method. Pre-built is obviously not building from sources and binary again, not building from sources. So it's in the binary form. Yeah, and on the title slide, you saw me being part of LCPTO, that is. It's not Liberty City Police Department from Grand Theft Auto, unfortunately. Sometimes it feels like that. So it's exciting and somewhat dangerous. So, but it stands for Linux Core Project Development within Texas Instruments. So that's it with the definitions. So what are the third-party binary toolchains out there? There are a few popular ones that people are familiar with and like to use those. CodeSorcery, Sorcery G++ Lite is a very popular choice these days it's a MetaGraphics Sorcery CodeBench Lite since MetaGraphics are acquired consortia. So there is a URL there to the new URL, updated URL to get the toolchain from. So the Lite edition comes with no support from MetaGraphics, but you can buy their pro version or they have other editions there with commercial support. So if you need that. There is also Linara Toolchain Binary. So Linara works on the toolchain for ARM platforms and they release their sources. So you can obviously build the toolchain from sources but we've been asking them to produce binary releases as well so they started doing that about a year ago. So there is a link there for their toolchain. There are also less known pre-built binary toolchains out there, the Yangstrom toolchain, which is kind of old right now. The toolchains published on that link are from 2011, I think, maybe early 2012. We also have our own toolchain called Drago Toolchain that we build ourselves for our needs, our purposes. It is also a little bit old by now, so it's from late 2011. We don't have a short vanity URL for our toolchain because it's not really meant to be consumed by public. Really it's for our internal consumption but it's there, it's publicly available. It's just not recommended, yes. Have you tried the ARM toolchain? ARM toolchain, but is it GCC-based? No, it's not. No, haven't tried that and here we're talking about how to plug in GCC-based pre-built toolchains into the Yachter flow. I'm not sure if that would be possible using ARM toolchain. I mean, it's not GCC-based, it's completely their own compiler and everything, so it might be too much trouble really to go this way. Yes? So are you going to go through maybe a disadvantage of something? Why do you guys have your own? Yeah, I can mention a couple reasons for having our own toolchain but basically it's not part of this talk. It's basically up to you to decide which toolchain to use. So there are some alternatives there so you can pick and choose. So in our toolchains, for example, are four ARM platforms. So they do support Cortex family of ARM processors, so Cortex-8, A9, A15, and so forth. So they don't really provide support for older ARM platforms. So for that reason, you might need to actually rebuild their toolchain from sources or roll your own. But the reason we made our own toolchain back in the day, we used to use Cortex-8 pre-built toolchain and the light edition, like I said, it doesn't come with any commercial support, which again could be okay for some people, but also it comes with target libraries optimized for older ARM platforms while we needed Cortex-optimized libraries. So they had ARM v4, v5, and v6 optimization in it, but not v7. So we were trying to squeeze every bit of our performance and we needed system libraries to be optimized for Cortex machines. That was one of the reasons we built our own toolchain. There were some other small issues here and there, but basically that's the biggest one. So what is the current existence support and the YAPTA project for using external toolchains? There is a TC mode variable toolchain mode variable that basically points to our include file that sets some preferred providers for the toolchain component. So basically it sets preferred providers for GCC, BNUT hills, compiler ellipse, including Lib-C and GB. So it's basically instructing BitBay to use your own toolchain to prefer your recipe for the external toolchain versus building those from sources. So most of the magic is being done by the eGlypsy package include file, and basically that takes care of packaging eGlypsy pieces, including things like locale and gconf libraries and so on and so forth. So that takes care of a lot of packaging work for the external toolchain. But there is still a need for a recipe there to handle the rest of scrapping and installing these routes and packaging work for the remaining of the toolchain. So that's why you would need to provide either your own external name toolchain or I'll talk about some of the existing external toolchain recipes there in the YAKTO project. So a little bit of a classic history. I've been working on integrating code sorcery toolchain with Classic Open Embedded about five years ago. At the time the support was severely broken in Classic Open Embedded. There was some work in the POKI which at the time was a fork of Classic Open Embedded. And basically I had to fix that up and clean up and enable that in Classic Open Embedded. Eventually it was part of Classic Open Embedded, the support for code sorcery. And since then the support for code sorcery is there in the Open Embedded including the Open Embedded core part of the YAKTO project. So like I was saying, there were some pieces there. I took from POKI, had to fix something. I was working within the ARAGA project which is our own distribution. So I came up with those CSL version variables which have been dynamically generated and picked up from the toolchain. So things like GCC version, GDB version, DC version and things like that. So individual components of the toolchain. So it went into Open Embedded Classic at the time and now it's part of OE4. Now to use that it's very simple. So you set TC mode equals external sorcery and the old name for that was external CSL. So CSL stands for code sorcery light but these days it's metagraphics sorcery toolchain. So and you also set external toolchain variable to point to that external toolchain on your file system. So basically path to CSL. And that's pretty much it. How would you use code sorcery in the Yachter project? Very simple. It is version agnostic so it has... It provides Python code there that goes and dynamically figures out the version of individual components of the toolchain. So basically you can use... This way you can use pretty much any version of code sorcery you get. And also it supports multiple platforms. ARM needs a part of PC. And also it supports multi-leaf. Like I mentioned before it comes with target libraries which is optimized for ARM v4 v5 v6 but unfortunately no v7 which means no optimized Cortex target libraries. Which is okay. You can use one of the older ones, ARM v4 v5 v6 but performance may be slightly lower. And down there I mentioned some names basically Richard was the one originally working on that in Poki so I picked some of his work and ported that to Classic Open Embedded. Then Tom Rini when he was working for MetaGraphics he was maintaining those recipes and now Chris Larsen is doing that. So he is the main guy behind this recipe and the code sorcery is supporting the Yocto project right now. So Linaro Toolchain is not part of the Open Embedded Core main layer but it comes in its own layer that is Yocto compatible. So there is a URL there for MetaLinaro layer. Again MetaLinaro layer it has some other Linaro pieces in there like Linaro Kernel and Linaro Toolchain built from sources but also it provides the packaging recipe for using the external pre-built toolchain. So again very easy to use besides plugging in the new layer to your layer stack in the bblayers.com file you just said TC Mod equals external Linaro and the external toolchain equals part of Linaro Toolchain where you have it on your file system on your host file system. So there was a switch from soft floating point to hard floating point so hardfp. The binaries right now they come in hardfp ABI these days so by default the LT target system is set to ARM Linux GNU EBI HF but basically if you get an older in our bunny toolchain which supports softfp then you would need to change that so it's ARM Linux GNU EBI in that case so HF suffix there simplifies the hardfp support. Again it's version agnostic it provides its own set of pattern functions to populate the LT version there so those are LT version GCC, LT version GDB, LT version G-Lipsy and so on and so forth. So initially Ken Werner worked on this recipe on the support and now it's Marcin with some help from Ken Reich who is our toolchain guy in open embedded community so he's a good help. So as I mentioned we have our own toolchain, our own toolchain and basically I'll be using that as an example of first of all how to use that but also how to create a way of using your own toolchain could be a toolchain you build yourself or you acquire it from someone else but you want to use it within the doctor project so how do you then plug it in. So with this example of using our own toolchain first of all our toolchain recipes are in MetaRugger layer there's a URL there. Again you set TC mode equals external Arrago and basically that points to external Arrago.inc file somewhere in your layer that sets preferred providers like I mentioned several slides back so that's pretty much all you need to do to set preferred providers to point to your toolchain. Also it is version agnostica. We also have those variables, versions but we also extended further with license so I have a patent code that basically dynamically extracts license information from the toolchain. Obviously there is some knowledge there which version of GCC was GPLv2 versus when it became GPLv3 and things like that so basically based on the version so for example GDB version 6.6 was the last GPLv2 release so all the newer versions are GPLv3 so that is when you care about GPLv3 you need to distribute that amount so besides versions there are also license variables there. External toolchain like your seven previous slides or other external toolchains you need to point to where your toolchain is to use it. You can do that as well with Arrago but what we do differently is we expect the toolchain to be already in your path environment variable and we just dynamically locate it and populate external toolchain automatically for you so it doesn't matter where you install it on your file system you don't need to change recipes or configurations as long as you have it in your path it will be found. And now for the scrapping recipe basically package is the target content there is a recipe score met external Arrago toolchain that we will look at. So like I mentioned before all you need to do is include that a glipsy package.in file at the top which will take care of most of the glipsy packaging tasks for you. But you also need to provide some help to that and some additional packaging there. So that is the YAPTA project recipe so if you are familiar you will find it clear to understand but if not I will briefly explain. So provides basically tiles, the big bake and the build environment that this recipe provides those components. So those are most virtual components GCC for the target in our case would be ARM, Linux, GNU, EBI, GCC. So what we are saying is that our recipe provides those components all the toolchain components GCC, binoculars, compiler lips and so on and so forth as well as Lipsy library and all the other Lipsy components there. Linux Lipsy headers as well and gdpserver so on and so forth. Packages is basically it basically tells that the output of this recipe would be those packages and besides glipsy that glipsy package.info takes care of we also want to pack each other target content as well things like libgcc with its headers stdc++ with its headers and kernel headers for the user space as well there. Some glipsy utils and so on and so forth so the list is not complete I just listed the most important packages there so this is the second half of the recipe again it's not complete the recipe is not complete but just showing you the main parts there. So files instruction the files variable basically is told the files that you need to package into glipsy just shown here with glipsy but all the other packages that I mentioned on the previous slide libgcc, stdc++ and so forth they need to have that files variable list and all the actual files that will go into the package so but as you can see there you have slashlib slashlibc star basically all the libc libraries will be picked up libm, ld, ftreds, resolve, librt, libitils and so on and so forth so all the target libraries will be picked up and packaged into glipsy then you said some descriptions package names, package versions licenses for those packages so package versions and licenses are directly being picked up from those automatic variables that we populate with the Python code and the install there is basically telling instructor feedback how to scrape some scrape those toolchain pieces install them into sysrules and eventually package those into binary package IPK or PMDappers and so on and so forth that is part of the project magic behind the scene part of the framework but basically what you're saying is that in the destination area destination directory you make sure that there is bin directory, lib directory and include directory are present the directors are there and then you start installing start copying pieces from the external toolchain from the installation of your toolchain somewhere on your host file system into the sysrules into the door assigned D which is the destination eventually it will be installed in the sysrules so libdior so you copy everything from libdior of the toolchain into sysrules includedior as well and dot dot dot there is basically you keep copying all the new pieces so as you noticed we only take care of glibc the target content here as well as libgcc so libc libraries are part of glibc or eglibc and while libgcc and libstdc++ are part of gcc component but all of them are usually part of the toolchain so here we take care of most of the target content the libraries and header files for the devkit so what are the limitations issues and limitations of that approach the first one is there is this libc dependencies global variable defined there which is being used by several other recipes that basically pulls the libc stack of the system libraries into the build so like I said that variable is being set and being referenced and pulled into several other recipes in the Yachta project excuse me so unfortunately all the existing external name toolchain recipes like external csl or sorcery toolchain external inara toolchain including external araba toolchain they while they do generate eglibc they grab those eglibc libraries from the toolchain and package them unfortunately they do provide glibc not eglibc so a slight change in the name so glibc is more generic name for system libraries there is a virtual libc target defined specifically for that but it's not being used so like I mentioned libc dependencies just lists eglibc specifically there so that is the default setting for libc dependencies and I'll show you what are the ways to solve that issue the other limitation is that by default those external main toolchain recipes they package the target content the libc libraries and headers libgcc and so on and so forth but they do not package the actual binaries a compiler linker assembler debugger and so on and so forth those are being used during the build directly from your installation on the host file system so when you want to produce an SDK for your customers to use for their work for their cross compilation work you also need to provide those binaries as part of your SDK so your SDK in most cases would need to have those binaries as well so the the toolchain binaries so how we solve those limitations on issues yeah first of all this is the exam the no sorry so libc dependencies like I mentioned by default it depends on all the specific eg libc pieces now but all of the external toolchain recipes out there they do provide glibc instead of eg libc so what happens is once you start using external toolchain and you start doing one of those recipes that depend on libc dependencies you'll notice that it will try to pull eg libc into the build process and try to build that from sources even though that your external binary toolchain already provides that so you don't really need to rebuild eg libc from sources so to solve that is we do need either to change all the existing recipes for external toolchains out there to provide not just glibc but eg libc as well so that would satisfy the dependencies or another option is this another variable called tclibc it's similar to the previous one which is tc mode toolchain mode this one is actually sets toolchain libc and again it just points to some include file out there that sets some things so the way I fix that is I actually provided my own external raga toolchain.ing file I said tclibc equals external raga toolchain and it will just pick up that include file and redefine the libc dependency there so the only difference here is that libc dependency lists glibc instead of eg libc so since our external toolchain provides all those glibc pieces so that will shortcut it and not bring eg libc built from sources into the picture now the second problem is packaging SDK so or packaging external toolchain components namely binders into the SDK like I said the problem is that the default external toolchain recipes they package target content libc, libgcc, libcdc++ and there are headers headers go into dash def packages and here is how we configure it to also package the binaries so configure preferred providers for things like gcc cross canadian for architecture so gcc cross canadian arm let's say gcc gdb cross canadian arm and binutils cross canadian arm we just said those preferred providers to point to another recipe that we provide this time we call it external name of your toolchain so and again I'll be showing you example of how I do it with external raga toolchain so in this case the recipe would be external raga SDK toolchain slightly different from the original external from the original recipe that only packages target content so the recipe is slightly long so it's three slides to cover the recipe but basically it's lots of repetition there once you understand the basics then it's very easy so this is the content of external raga SDK toolchain but can be substituted to use your own toolchain that's their name so first of all you heard cross canadian class basically you're saying that the output of your recipes those cross canadian packages so this recipe provides just the basic components and the output is again the same three packages those components packaged into package GCC, GDB and binutils and again translated target arc is basically your architecture in our case its arm could be your own architecture in there so and then we just list all the files for those packages that we generate GCC cross canadian those are GCC pieces so the binaries libraries and sim links like for example prefix target c is bin cpp and bin cc bin cc those are short names sim links into the actual binaries and actual binaries go into the bin door with target prefix in our case ARM Linux, GNUBI, GCC, ARM Linux GNUBI, Gplot++ ARM Linux, GNUBI, CPP and so on so forth we also package the entire libxfdir in there so that's and again that is not complete but packaging all the basics for GCC for GDB it's very simple just the binary and the the entire content of user share GDB for binutils again we package all the binutils pieces and there are linker, assembler read-elf, object copy, object dump NM all those supporting binaries including header files all these scripts and libibority library needed for binutils and the final part of the recipe we set versions again those are automatically licenses and do install is the important piece we start copying those pieces from the location where the tool chain is installed on our file system into the sysroute so and there you can see the CPP with CPP all the binaries into the corresponding directory and sysroute all the libraries and so on so forth so it's it's not complete obviously but that's how you generally do it so few words on how you roll your own binary tool chain so I keep saying that those recipes just give a genetic name external dash name dash tool chain so which means you can use either one of the existing third-party tool chains from metagraphics sorcery tool chain or linear tool chain or hanks from harago there are others but you can also build your own from sources using yukta project so in order to do that you use one of the existing meta tool chain recipes or you extend it the way you need it so but first of all make sure that you configure every thing to use internal tool chain obviously so you want to build it from sources so you don't set those tcmo tclibc and external tool chain path you just rely on how the tool chain is being built normally from sources and tool chain and target libraries as well so the output of that would be SDK or tool chain package into a tar ball for older versions or shell wrapped installer for newer versions there is some work on making it multi-lib so support for multi-lib tool chains it was added after Danny release after the last project 1.3 release so it's not part of Danny it's in the master branch will be part of the next 1.4 release of the after project what it gives you is allows you to have multiple architecture optimized libraries target libraries in the same SDK so you would you would have an SDK or tool chain with target libraries like libc libgcc stdc++ all the others optimized for your architecture so by that the compiler the cross compiler itself knows how to optimize for specific architecture but the library comes pre-compiled for specific architecture so if you want to use that on an older platform you need those libraries to build for an older architecture to be compatible but you will not get the performance optimizations but if you want to use those libraries on a newer architecture a newer version of the same architecture then you would want those to be optimized so I already made examples with ARM so that would be ARM v4 v5 v6 v7 instruction sets optimized for Cortex 8 for example due to pipeline length and other specifics the code would be faster if it was optimized for Cortex but it won't run on older ARM platforms same applies for architecture for example so where x86 is just a generic architecture with instruction set but you can optimize your target libraries for either for i386, i486, 586, 686 and they are they are backward compatible but you cannot run for example 686 with binaries so that the code won't run on 386 for example so that's why you would want multi-lib in your SDK so how to reuse the output of basically once you roll your own toolchain you want to reuse it for after project builds so again very easy you just provide that recipe that packages JLPC target libraries content you set TC mode and TCLPC correspondingly and depending on the director structure of the toolchain the OSDK you may need to adjust that a little bit about reason for that is used to be that host binaries are sitting there in the root directory of the toolchain while target content goes into the target system target prefix subdirectory like ARM, Linux and RBI for example so in new YAKTA produced is basically in target C's root, native C's root versus target C's root they are sitting side by side so you may need to adjust the director structure slightly or either way you either adjust how you produce the toolchain with old director structure or if you use the new one you need to adjust the existing external toolchain recipe for the new structure so again similar to what I already explained so you just use that SDK toolchain recipe to package the actual binaries so refer to those slides, configuration and the actual recipe the toolchain binaries will be packaged in OSDK for the host side of the target libraries and headers will be packaged for the target side of the SDK if done properly so OSDK and no matter if OSDK is just a toolchain or a toolchain plus additional target content it can still be used back later on for further YAKTA builds again so it can be reused and reused again using the same external toolchain recipes so just completely identical so few words about the toolchain less SDK I talked about producing SDKs that contain the toolchain binaries the cross compiler, linker, assemble so on and so forth but there are sometimes you would need to actually release your SDK which should not contain the toolchain so in that case OSDK would be just the target content additional libraries or header files and then the tools needed to do cross development but it won't provide the toolchain so that is sometimes useful the reason for that is you don't want to distribute the toolchain which you acquired from a third party and you want your SDK customers to acquire their own copy of the same toolchain so in order to use the your SDK customers would need to get the toolchain on their own but basically they combine it and they can use the toolchain so it's a slightly difficult case but sometimes it happens that you need to do that so for that you would need to clean up mostly glipc components from the SDK output there it's easy to drop the binaries so it's basically specified I showed you how to actually specify that you want GCC, GDB and BNUT to be part of your SDK output and it's easy to drop them but glipc unfortunately it's not that easy to drop because it's the major dependency there anything you deal for the target will bring glipc pieces so for that you just let it install in the SDK and right at the end of the SDK you clean it up so you just call in this case OPKGCL and remove the list of toolchain target excluded there so you want to list all the glipc libraries in there this code is specific to IPK the OPKG so a popular SDK there is kind of generic name but there are versions for IPRPM and DEP so you would need to provide all three of those so this code was so I came up with that code and committed it to a classic OE back then but it's not part of OE Core as of now so you may need to clean it up and try submitting to OE Core Yachter project now let's talk about Canadian Cross so that is the very generic overview and explains explains what the Canadian Cross is about basically allows you to build the cross compiler and it uses three machines there in the example A, B and C in very generic terms so A machine is basically your development machine and in many cases that would be an x86 based 64B modern Linux distribution there multi-core so you want the beefier build server there so that's machine A is your machine machine B is your customer machine and X86 will use SDK so in many cases you want to target some lower common denominator so let's say slightly older Linux distribution on a 32B x86 machine but it's not limited to that to be x86 the same architecture could be a power PC so you can use x86 as your development machine so customers can use power PC for example for their SDK work and they want to target the embedded system let's say ARM based platform running Yocto project based distribution such as Pocky, Anxrom or Arago and the Canadian cross is the term is slightly confusing but basically in that way the main point is that there are three machines involved in the process so Yocto project supports Canadian cross and there is cross Canadian class being provided that takes care of all the magic behind that so the main configuration point is that you already have a machine where you are able to specify what target platform you are building for so SDK machine is basically you specify what would be the host machine where the SDK would be running on in many cases let's say machine you set it to one of the ARM targets while SDK machine you want to set to I686 machine so the output is GCC, GDB and BNUTils cross Canadian packages for the target architecture in our case would be ARM so cross SDK toolchain is being built during the process so that is the toolchain so again our cross SDK sorry cross Canadian packages they are meant those will be binaries target those will be binaries to be run on I686 32-bit X86 machine to be able to produce ARM output while cross SDK toolchain is the toolchain to be able to build those cross Canadian pieces so that would be 64-bit X86 binary to produce 32-bit X86 binary or like I said another example would be to run on X86 produce PowerPC output while cross Canadian will run on PowerPC and produce ARM so that's a little bit weird situation but in most common scenarios 64-bit X86 32-bit X86 is your embedded platform so native SDK tools those additional tools like libtool, autotools sonsoforce that you may want to ship into packaging to SDK and ship with your SDK again those are binaries for your SDK machine so in this case would be 32-bit X86 binaries and also self-contained binaries that is an interesting topic in the other project so the binaries which are being produced for the SDK they are self-contained I'll talk about that so they are self-contained because they come with all the libraries with all the system libraries they need so basically our SDK comes with its own set of libc libraries and everything else including the dynamic loader and interpreter which is lglinux.so so everything comes as part of the SDK so and all the health headers are preset to use those instead of the ones from the host system a reason for that is we want total control over what has been linked and loaded on the SDK machine on the host we may be building the latest GCC using latest glibc so that needs to be able to work on some older machine that customers might have so and we cannot rely on the libc provided by that machines that customers machine so health headers so pt interpreter section is being set to point to our own dynamic loader interpreter lglinux.so our path and run path are being set there also to be able to load our own libraries including libc but also other libraries as well so now we use dollar origin reactive to do relative dynamic linking so chr path is being used to update those health headers again we don't build it ourselves and we rely on the host system to provide one it's a quite common tool for most pretty much all of the distribution out there the limitation is that it cannot grow health header fields sections so you should have the existing long enough to be able to update it so there is a patch health tool that is a better alternative it can grow fields and sections can basically write health header but it's not common on the host system so you would need to build it from sources and right now it's not implemented as it is seen as the extra build dependency as one of the native packages so now we come to a real locatability problem with those self-contained binaries so like I said in the health header we hard code path to our dynamic loader interpreter which is ldlinux.so that we provide ourselves and also all the other dynamic libraries there so back in Denzil which is one of the two releases of the Yocto project there was no real locatability so SDK path was hard coded into all the binaries so you would build your SDK and assume that it would be installed in some genetic place on the customers system and that would be the only place where you can install it so for example with the Arrago SDK as an output it would be user local Arrago something and you would expect everyone to install that SDK that will chain into the same location for it to work it wouldn't be able to find neither of the dynamic loader or linker so we had our own custom solution to that program so I came up with the ShellSTOP solution there for Arrago when we were using Denzil as a base so basically we rename all the binaries into different names so basically there is dot real suffix being used for actual binaries and we installed those ShellSTOPs with the actual names which would then alter the library path as well as run the real library through the LDLinux.so that we provide so it will call LDLinux.so the name of the binary and pass all the parameters so that way we solve the real accessibility issue so you can actually move your SDK around on the host system and it will work regardless of where it's installed to


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Welcome back to Investor and Tell. As the summer is over and we start the fall programs, we see more and more drill programs coming to the fore. One such drill program is with Prophecy. And here to tell us about it is John Lee Prophecy's chair. Hi, John. Nice to see you again. Yes. We've spoken about Prophecy a few times. I met you at PDAC this year. We had a great chat and you're here to update us on what's going on. For those of you following along at home, roughly 95 million shares outstanding, trades on the Toronto Stock Exchange on the big board, trading around 30 cents and you have a 13 million share financing pending at 20 cents. That is correct Peter. That should be easy to fill. It's fully booked already. The placement is fully subscribed and we had one of the most prominent investors that took a book with the financing. The identity will be revealed shortly at the closing. Well, the rumor mill has been working hard on the identity of that person, but I'll leave it for you to confirm at the appropriate time. So tell me a little bit about the silver deposit and why we're so excited. Yes. Well, Peter, Prophecy has been around in the last eight years. It's only recently that we started the program on this silver project, on this wonderful silver project called Pulakayo in Bolivia. We acquired the project in 2015. At the bottom of the cycle was silver was $14 an ounce. And it's a historic producer, right? It is just a bit of historical context. Peter, this is the second largest silver mine in the world based on historical production. Close to 700 million ounces of silver were dug out of the ground in the 1980s, in the 1800s and the 1900s. It ran continuously for 65 years. Oh, more than 65 years, over 100 years. But only the known records had shown a good track record of production for 60 years from early 1900 to 1952 before the mine was nationalized by the Bolivian government. And Peter, it was the Pulakayo silver that allowed the Spaniards to conquer, do their conquering of the world. And also it was the Pulakayo silver that helped build the Bolivian railway to end of Augusta, the port, to the ship port. Right, built that infrastructure with the money from the sale of silver. Exactly. And we know it hasn't been played out because there's a recent 43-101 on the property. That is correct, Peter. The project was under this previous operator, and it's been a recurring theme as we did with the Venetian. We buy this project at the bottom, but these are very well advanced, low technical risk projects. The previous operator is a Toronto listed company. From 2005 to 2015, it's been over $25 million in developing the deposit. It has a feasibility study. It's fully environmentally compliant. It has a social license to operating Bolivia. And it has over 95,000 meters drilling, which resulted in a resource estimate of over 50 million ounces of silver at a very high grade. And that's 50 million of I plus I, right? Indicated and inferred together. Measure indicated at 30 million ounces at a cutoff of 400 grams of silver, grading at 458 grams of silver. This is silver, not silver equivalents. Right, real silver. And in for resources about 20 million ounces, and you're looking at the grade of about 200-250 grams per ton. Very, very high grade. Being an investment banker, I like looking at the infrastructure side of things, because that's where a lot of cost can go. Oh, yes. In fact, a lot of the majority of the costs now go to infrastructure because escalating inflation. There's a middle of this project. Yeah, this project, Peter, you're right on in that this is a historical. This is a, this is historic producer. It has, it has a paved road has access to power and water. And the generational miners understood the importance of mining and benefits of mining. So this is not in a sort of grass, you know, herder or, or areas of where people are, I mean, these people kick the NGOs out. I mean, these are our friends. They don't like the NGOs. So we cannot imagine a better jurisdiction, a better place to operate than a public high. And there is a mill nearby. There are, there was historically a mill on site, but there because this is a very prolific region. Absolutely. There's over several dozens of mills within driving a vicinity. And Peter, just to provide a bit background, Bolivia today produces more silver than Argentina, despite the lack of foreign investments. Really? In this region, maybe I could hold it with a golden, well, not a golden triangle, but the silver triangle. You have Sumitomo, who's operating Cassin Cristobal. That's probably the second largest open deposit, silver deposit today. And you have Pan American silver. You have a quarter lane used to be quarter lane. You have Glencore and recently also a big discovery made by New Pacific. This is all within 200 kilometers drive from Pulakaya. And Pulakaya is an epic center of all the ashes taking place. So two points left that are important to me. One is management. And you've got a bit of a superstar in your CEO. Yes. Well, Peter, you've been tracking our story for a while. The company was on skeleton running till 2016, because I mean, the commodity market was just in a major correction. Now we're the pendulum has swung completely the other way. But in the last two years, we really have a problem very competent people on board. The three guys we brought out had over 100 years of experience in commissioning, permitting, exploration and operating our minds in Nevada and elsewhere in the world. They're all coming from pedigree backgrounds of barrack and the likes. So we now not only have the project, you have the M&A guy and now you have an operation and a permitting team that can take this project all the way to production. And the last point that matters to me is the macroeconomic picture of the silver gold ratio. Silver gold ratio hit it slow over the past 10 years in April of 2011 at roughly 31. Today it's over 83. Why does that index matter? Well, Peter, historically, when the ratio when when gold trades at a lot of big premium to silver, that means that the there's very little speculative interest. So it happened in 2000 and you know the early 2000 when the first major run up. And now the the go to silver ratio again is extreme level. And these historical records assume that a silver is likely to outperform gold by a wide margin when when when the ratio reached over 85. And what that means, Peter, is if if gold were to reach a if if gold were to hit the target of 1660 and I'm a technician, a charter financial analyst, that means that silver can go as high as $25 in the very near term. And plus the Fed lowered the interest rate for the first time in more than a decade. An interest rate trade inversely to the price of precious metals for for every additional 25 basis point cut, you're looking at additional 10 to 15% upside for the precious metals. This is the ideal time to getting the bottoms in and there's just plenty of upside going going going forward. So this is Peter Clossey for investor Intel telling you don't wait too long. Stocks trading at 30 cents the closing a 20 cent financing and silver pretty much has nowhere good to go but up. John always fun chatting with you look forward to seeing you again in person. Yes, Peter December's PCY and we got a major strategic investor coming on the news is going to come up shortly. So it's happy to position a lot again. Thank you very much. Thanks for your time.


What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards ribbon 22 top triple threads baseball 18 box full master case break number 28 Teared random team style. There's a look No, it's not Vaughan. There's a look at your random results as always you can find these on the website Under the results tab as well as the Lincoln chat. So good luck guys. Yeah, just the wizards left in the second mosaic still has Again, just the wizards So give that a look BG is good. I like BG water. I prefer to get my water just straight from the Gulf of Mexico and not not Diluted with salt or anything either of the two intercases start with number one the both mosaics filled as well as I'm back Basketball tiered. That's I think I only got three to go Again, don't have a ton of I'm act left in the shop Mountain Dew water Garrett cold 125 and Carlos Correa at a 75. That's one's there. That is yanks and twins base base base nice one here going to the Phillies 24 of 27 Steve Carlton arm and power Game use memorabilia auto congrats to Philadelphia. That is John and there you go John and Andrew McCutcheon three of nine game use for the brew crew I know are you I'm getting alarmed to be honest on he hasn't asked a question in three or four minutes You're focused on Donnie is locked in on top loading triple threads currently no questions for I will be asked Freddie Freeman to 259 and Buster Posey to 299 Donnie is Donnie is super dialed right now He's nice one here. This is going to the twins all-star game memorabilia. That is Taylor Rogers to have nine There you go, Minnesota. That's on that tier two for Alexandra's Jersey patch patch and Matt Chapman ten of ten hatch auto for the blue jays that is game used as well game each Chapman There you go, Toronto as Mike K Feeling a book out of here Donnie Donathan He must be yeah, Donnie's currently googling questions to ask right now. That's what Donnie's doing. It's not top loading anything So he's just straight up googling questions. There's Trevor story to 299 and a Paul Goldschmidt to 75. This chat's mean. Oh, yeah These days cool one here. It's gonna be for the Padres. That is a triple 16 of 27 Tony Gwynn for Nanotatis and many Machado nice one there Yeah, Donnie can Tobias and ask questions at the same time meant to say top load, but he held it corrected to Tobias There's nine out of fifty Jill Ryan rookie auto Alexandra's tier two for the twins. Nice one there, buddy. What's Tobias got to do with this Tobias for what? What what what is what is Shane talking about man? Shane's wilding out now Jose Altuva to 259 and Salvi Perez to 299 base base base That's kind of nasty. You've got Gavin sheets. That is 31 out of 35 three colored RPA for the white socks There you go, Edward P top tier hit Nope, this is on card right here. It's not all sticker orders and Wilson Contreras 14 out of 48 for the Cops I like to not correct it and see what you guys can figure it out.  I meant Tobias. What do you what do you guys idiots? What do you what do you guys fools? Oh, yeah, we'll try to get people to hand some chat good lord Redemption here guys Vladimir Guerrero to 259 and Randy Johnson to 299 Well, I did not actually that's pretty cool Tobias down T. Danielson. Oh boy Forgot about down to getting worse down T. Baby Got a Justin Verlander. That is gonna be 25 out of 36 vintage era for the Astros And nice one here triple threads autograph single jumbo relic O'Neill cruise nice one there That's going to the Pirates tier two hit for Mike. Okay, congrats Mike Nice O'Neill I might have wanted you asking me Keelanzo to 99 and Alex Bregman to 259 That nice one here rookie Jersey Otto set beer that is 21 out of 50 for the Diamondbacks tier two for Nathan P That's Nathan and a Dustin, Madroya 22 or 27 out of 48 for the Red Sox Nice PD Stop Manny down here 163 1420. We're down to just five group breaks with spots left tonight guys That is it. That is all that's all we've got left Why is there not more Sam? You want questions here we go? Let's kick it off You guys are the loaders to my tops I Ask a question already everyone's getting scared Oh God, Johnny's back at it again Cal Ripken a 199 color match for the Orioles No one are not at 75 the Cardinals base base and base again That's gonna be Matt Veerling on the rookie Jersey on a 27 out of 75 for the Phillies nice one again going to John M that's John and Hobby bias that is 23 out of 36. I don't know Josh. We gotta figure it out. Hey, thanks for Chenzo. I hope you had a good time here, man. I Do like green eggs in hand man. I do You're had a green egg Mike trout 59 of 99 and Hank Aaron to 59. I had like food coloring put into it Bryson stop rookie is a history God Christian Yelich Running and walking that is 16 out of 36 for the brew crew and Michael Brentley 39 of 99 for the Stroves Jersey Each town Okay, what are the where are the hunts for a series one? Let's start with that.  Yeah Like we're doing basketball and football later. Yep. Yeah, this is we only got this in one more baseball break And then we're into basketball that really I'm just the 125 an orange Austin Riley to 199 So Shane, I just asked the questions talking answers. That's one base base. Nice one here. This is going to Alexandros Ronald Acuna 13 of 18 nice one there on the orange Jersey auto sprint and barrel congrats on that. There you go, Alexandros Nice Acuna, Jr. Crack in Gary Sanchez five of 36 I've been slamming the ball over the left field wall Willie Mays the 199 and Bo Jackson on the onyx to 50 the Royals They said you're restarting it. There's an obviously like it though. Yeah, they are Malina three of three 14 865 putouts nice one there nice Yachty And Aaron Ola Jersey auto 16 of 50 for the Phillies of Phillies coming out of here now Stop remarks. Yes, it is Donnie. What's up? How we doing remarks, what would be I don't really I know it would have to be like a Consensus from all top loaders of what what would be the Take on like setting up the camera. So it's including both of us. Yeah, it's potential That way like We do it sometimes like during like the big breaks Like if we do like a 10 case or 20 case or a bowman Looks like we'll have it. So because we'll have the top loader Rit like love one person top loading one person opening But like cases and opening boxes and stacking the cards and the breakers just going through everything Cal rip into 150 orange Alex Bregman a 199 base base base There's Reese Hoskins 24 out of 27 recent Schwab's for the Phillies and Ian Anderson 13 out of 75 Jersey auto for the Braves. That's one there. Good luck, everybody. Wanda Franco to 299 and Ty Cobb to 150. Good luck on the white whale, man They some base we've got start off with our jersey. That's gonna be a Jared Kalnick Nice one there Willy Mays and Raffy Devers go into the Red Sox Nathan M. Congrats, man 30 homers one of one white whale Raphael Devers Gorgeous card right there. Congrats on that. There you go, Nathan. Get that mag for you, buddy Why is it always a red sock? Oh, that's two weeks in a row now. I've pulled To Red Sox one of one might have been Devers last time too one of the Devers Ruby patch I remember it was either Devers or Bogarts Brian to 150 and Khoi Siga 9 of 25 the Rangers I've actually never used Siri on my phone. Yeah, I know. He's got an Android Brian De La Cruz that's 18 out of 99 Jersey auto for the Marlins nice tier 2 for Jeff. Okay, a lot So whatever Siri like to see Eloy Jimenez 22 out of 36 for the White Sox on the Jersey Do you guys give me so much crap about asking questions? I just don't want to ask questions Yeah, sure. He's scared him away. Yeah, Shane boss to 75 Khoi Siga to 259 Time for me to go on my shell Great, we just ruined Donnie There's a Cardinals triple 20 out of 36 Adam Wayne right out of your Molina Jack Flaherty all game use nice one They're st. Louis Lindsay H with the Cardinals and Brian Reynolds that is 20 out of 99 Jersey auto for the Pirates Like it's kind of to the point where like all my questions were usually about product, but like most of the questions have been answered. So like I've got Nothing really Sorry, what's the most wordy way I can possibly ask a question that is worse than this because I don't Or Donnie man It's getting hammered tonight. No, that's a fellow Eagles fan, too.  That's uh illegal on YouTube is slandering Donnie and they're both Eagles fans That's Willie Mays to 259 and Buster Posey to 299 nice one here is a Triple Threads autograph really card amber parallel Milan are not oh on the redemption going to the Cardinals up Jackson And wonder Franco rookie Jersey out of 47 of 48 player one or not not auto. Just rookie Jersey for Go birds there.  Yeah, but Jones to 299 and Especially to 125 that's very true. Jerry base There's a Bregman and Bagwell 16 out of 27 for the Astros. Yeah, I think you could probably mag this next one This one's cool. This is going to Jason H with the Padres. How about a Mackenzie gore? Three of 10 on the blue rookie on card auto. Congrats on that There you go. Um Uh, who's that Jason, right? Yeah, Jason H. There you go, buddy. The last one here The stuff you call an eagle bite Yeah, Jackson, uh our top loader Donny was also crying for an hour when the Eagles lost. I wasn't crying I was accepting of it. I wasn't happy but like I was like, all right, you know, whatever Like yes with something that somebody was crying. So it's not like that's some something somebody was crying for an hour I wasn't Stop blowing me up, Sam Give him more ammo That is millen aronado 3 of 50 And Trevor's story to 299. I did not break a tv Nice, uh, say a Suzuki rookie. Nice one here. We've got uh, Ian Anderson 3 of 35 on the patch auto going to the, uh Uh, Braves And Shohei that is 7 or yeah 7 out of 27 game used for the angels Yeah, all the eagles fans with dallas cowboys fans for a nice Yeah, right honestly Each year out of 299 and austin riley to 150 Another one of these going for the rainbow. We've got tony gwin franando tate's jr. Many machado that is 1 out of 18 Nice one there for the Padres again Jason H That is timer glass now. We've got 39 out of 75 jersey auto for the Rates Congrats, uh, Tim. All right onto the second inner. Let me Check on something really quick here Be close to sold out on the second zenith as well Yeah, we were getting very close to being sold out for the night guys. I'm going to drop you the link to the, um Sold out there 34 sold out That was done drop you guys the link to the uh mosaic it's just the wizards Uh, they're 29 dollars got a shot at kisper and isaiatad and that Sure, bradley bradley biel color as well And they've got a couple of vets Uh in there too. All right second to intercase. Good luck everybody I mean probably Remers, I mean, I think they showed a stat. He finished like fourth overall qvr. That's not bad honestly So I would imagine yeah There was a week. Oh, we bumbled but like he recovered well, which tells me a lot so It sucked, but I'm okay with it. That's whatever It's like statistically hurts outplayed my homes but my homes made the most important plays we needed to do so kind of like That's true Lou Gehrig to 199 mookie betts to 259 base base Uh hulia uryas that is three of 36 october results for the dodgers Vaughn you really about to put golf above herds right now Now we've got our oldest Chapman 76 out of 99. Are we really going to have this conversation for the uh yankies? Nice one there. I'm just going to talk over sam while he's Oh, yeah, well, I'm breaking that passion about charity golf not being better Our pool also 150 and bobby witt to 199 for the royals. Uh best hit so far is probably Uh one of one raffie debbers white whale jersey auto or patch auto Colton welker that is 22 of 99 rookie jersey auto nice one there and crawford four of nine very game use jersey for the giants Yeah, jerry don't don't that's true. That's true. That's a cool game That's nice Probably tiger woods pmg That was big. That was probably the biggest card to die so far Oh, wow 75 Uh, yes, one of 75 too Vladimir Guerrero jr. And randy johnson to 299 gladi juniors to 259 second year jersey auto is Uh, joey bark nice one there for the giants And no one are an auto that is six out of 18 for the cardinals. Nice one there. Oh, is that you pager? Yeah, Matt sent a picture of that one, dude. That was sick Look at shane's Fernando Alonzo to 299 and clayton pershaw to 125 Let it be known. There is now, um Uh, what's it called? Uh video evidence of shane saying lamar is better than god I was gonna say something about that way. No, there's a carlos career. Nice one there. That is uh, 14 of 27 I didn't know that I'd break our rules or not. So I was like, I just want to say that for the twins and nick ledolo That is uh, 81 out of 99 For the reds Yeah, sorry jackson. Sorry to hear that man Yeah, it's very true. That's very true That's very true, man Sad but true Sad but true Sad but very true. Uh, yeah, this is a break Blast missing more ways than one. I know That's a bad look there shane. There's Byron buckson to 125 and orange kind of grippy to 199 Nice one here. We got an alex bregman showcase mvp three of 27 for the astros I don't think I don't think it's a bad hire, Jeremiah I think it's better than what they had. I think anything's better than what they had at that point Uh, george springer that is 48 of 48 for the lujays Stop gdog Supposedly defensive coordinators don't make great head coaches. So I mean, we'll see. That's very that that's Potentially possible in 2023 to 199 plattie jr. And paul goldschmidt to 99. I think that's second gold gold Schmidt we pulled base and base. We've got a labor torres that is october offense 26 out of 36 for the inks And jake myers 12 of 25 rookie jersey auto for the astros Nice one there Congrats astros and guys just uh Five group breaks with spots today two mosaics Immaculate seared and two of these zenith impeccable mixers as well. That is it that is all On group break spots available for tonight. Appreciate that gdog. I mean I'd rather get rid of ikf, but I don't think he has as much value as torres does Not saying torres has a ton of value, but it's going to be more than ikf I feel like What's up? Uh, lou gary to 259 and tripper jones to 299. Oh, that's sick. Wow. I'm jealous of this, man This is going to He's got them nathan p. How about a triple bernie williams andy pettit. Jorge pasada That is two out of 27 for the inks. Dude. That's so nasty That's awesome. I agree. That's so freaking cool. Congrats on that one Two of the core four and joey vado 22 out of 48. Who's the core four? Uh, mariano revero, derrick jeter, Jorge pasada and andy pettit It's a four main guys on the Yankees who won four world series. Okay. I knew derrick jeter those That's the extent there. Yeah, uh, george breth to 299 And ken griffy to 150. I knew the I knew the first guy about I don't You should know mariano revero. Yeah, I know him But I just forget Anybody have I don't think anybody's gonna have majority on this. Um, padre's jason nationals eric and braves alexandres Yeah, so this will be a random to the three teams at the end seven of 27 tatis Um, Juan soto and ronda cunha What's up, donald? I've also got teosca hernandez 72 of 75 jersey auto for the blue jays Legal such a troll Louis save and the do against the diamond backs in the world series I don't know what that means trade turner to 75 green, uh boba shut to 259. What was the save? Meaning like he came in to try to close out the game and he gave up runs. Oh, yeah Uh, kyle tucker that is six of nine on the hitch streak Nice one there for the astros. I hope we get some of the cup in. I don't know jeremiah I don't know. I hope so Sean murphy 32 out of 50 color match jersey auto for the ace now a brave. I believe That's each year out of 299 and each year out to 99 still got 27 blonde bears brison stop base Got tony sam tion nice one there 68 out of 75 I was like 470 a spot you get two, uh, two teams 25 out of 36 jake cronenworth Uh, we will we will when it comes out tomorrow cb We got a couple of break schedule for tomorrow as well as uh should be in stock for personals tomorrow too That's immaculate immaculate always get the two big stuff. I know it's like the first three letters of the same Thank you remars joey vato 299 and fernando tatis the 125 is Reese Hoskins one of 18 You even said you even admitted This feels so good when that guy was roasting you about the vikings and the patriots bond So I don't want to hear it. The Yankee sound like jackie bradley jr. 66 of 99 Just like talking about previous rings and not doing for the red socks jersey auto So it sounds like that true, sir. Pretty much. Okay, but we got so you're down. We've got 21 More championships in the cowboys out though. So I want to put us on that level. Okay, that's fair There's hobby bias to 75 and anthony risar 259. Excuse me. We have 22 more 22 more champions That's so nasty We've got going to the mats. Eric R. How about steven strawsberg two of three Uh on the signature stars. Dude, that's awesome nasty patches on that Clayton kershaw Two 12 27. Yeah Celebrating in the sky It's a good break man A really good break Hobby bias the 259 and pita lanza the 299 There's brady singer eight of 50 jersey auto for the royals and louise castillo one of 36 for the reds It was good. It was really good hit a pretty nice riley green auto earlier today. Zach Bobby went to 150 anthony riso to 199 We've got kyle talker. That is 24 of 27 october thefts for the astros And redemption is triple threads autograph single jumbo relic amethyst parallel micah stremsky nice one there for the um Giants. Yeah, yeah, I know honestly if it's uh the mariners Not that I know of off the top man I wasn't the one ripping it but I don't believe so Don't believe so there's erin judge to 259 and lube up to 299 This is not my first time in a 10 box Tuesday fair base and base Uh, we got another one of the uh, tahtis Soto and akunya. This one is uh numbered One of 18. So we have to 27 and to 18. So I'll explain how that's gonna go That is cedric mullins 66 of 75 for the oryals, you know, and shipper jones to 99 Just tell on baseball Base base base nice one here for the gnats again louise garcia That is 24 35 three colored, uh rpa Or no three colored pat patch out of he's not a rookie is 21 Nice one there washington eric oregon And george springer 18 of 18 Wizards are gone. So we're sold out on the first one thing or the second one. Thank you guys more zenith spots Spurs are gone So guys, we do need to show a little bit of love to iMac tiered That's only got three spots left for uh, uh, or basketball Frank thomas to 150 orange ty kog to 199 Uh, nice one here going to the rangers. That's 15 of 18 pudra drigas backstop stardom Texas tier two for lindsay h and boba shut eight of 48 for the um uh Blue jays sup john The last pack of the break everybody got shane boss to 99 green don mattingly to 259 space That is a break out season matt olson 12 of 36 For the braves and nice one here. You can mag this one to four of 75 steven kwan on the rookie auto Congrats to the guardians That's my main chase. Yep, edward p tier two hit for the guardians. Congrats buddy. We're gonna hit the kwan every night Oh, yeah That'll do for the break guys got to do a couple of randoms here So the way i'm gonna do this is we have one of 18 and then we have seven of 27 We're only going to do one random the top team will get the one number to 18 and the second team We'll get the one number to 27 So tiktok gonna end the stream here because it's over and i don't really want to deal with you anymore. So Um, we got padres We've got nationals And we've got braves All right guys again doing the random for both of the uh tati soto and akunya uh triple jerseys Uh one is number to 18 and the other one's number to 27 So the top team will get the one number to 18 and the second uh team will get the one number to 27 So good luck here guys. Let's roll the dice. It's going to be four times one Two three and four that's going to be the braves getting the 18 And the padres getting the one to 27. All right guys, let's do a quick recap here. Good luck. Not good luck, but here we go All right, we've got matt olson bobeshet, george springer, kyle talker, louise castillo, clayton kershaw, reese huskins jade croninworth, kyle talker, joey vato flavor torrez, george springer, uh carlos korea nolan aronato, brandon crawford, julio urayas, triple of the padres, shohei otani, alex bregman, wander franco Is triple of the cardinals, iloy Jimenez, charred kelnick, reese huskins, yadir molina, gary sanchez, christian yelich, habibayas, doson madroya, jesson verlander uh wilson kontrares, triple of the padres again, taylor rogers uh andrew mccutcheon autos now and then we'll be nagged after We've got the pudge rodriguez, louise garcia uh cedric mullins, mike ishremsky, brady singer, jackie bradley jr uh tony santheon, john murphy, tiasca hernandez, jake mires, alex bregman, nicoladolo joey bart, colton welker, aroldish chapman Tyler glas now, ian anderson, nolan aronato, ryan reynolds, ryan delac cruz, ian anderson, aeronola, michael brentley That is matt veerling, seth beer, o'neal cruz, uh gavin sheets, joe ryan, uh matt chapman, steve carleton, mags cards, now we had Get these organized up here. Yeah, i think not Now you're good, you're good Stephen kwan, number to 75 mackenzie gore, three of ten for the padres ronal de cunha, that is 13 of 18 for the braves We had a steven strausberg, two of three for the nationals uh triple for the yankees, bernie williams, andy pettit, whore passata And one of one white whale raffy devbers for the red socks. That'll do for the break guys. Thanks again for the fill Next up we've got ten bucks to use


Remoustaz, who may be a calf, Confederation Cup debut on Sunday nights, performed admirably as they fought to a one-one draw away to ask for Rabat of Morocco. At the start, Prince Moulay Abdelah in Rabat, Remoustaz earned a respectable draw thanks to a second half-header from Adam's Olamin De Con. Remoustaz proved they were ready to ravage the continent on their first attempt after their scorching run in the Nigerian professional football league last season. When they finished in third place, the visitors battled hard against the Moscow-Moroccan team from the moment the whistle blew. Bankolikayode, the goalkeeper for Remoustaz, was outstanding making several pivotal saves throughout the contest. And as the news updates for more stories, please follow us on our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and do subscribe to our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa lifestyle. You can also view us from Limax on www.limax.tv and GlowTV apps anywhere in the world. I am Irfan Elmezeim, many thanks for watching.


Aloha and welcome to Adventures in Small Business. I'm Jane Sawyer, the district director for the Hawaii District Office of the U.S. Small Business Administration. And this program is a partnership with our resource partners in Think Tech. So every other week we bring, or every week we bring a program to you to talk about small business in Hawaii. It's a partnership with the Veteran Business Outreach Center, the Hawaii Small Business Development Center, and the Patsy Mink Center for Business and Leadership. So we're happy to be here today to talk about what's going on with small business here in Hawaii. And I'm happy to have my guest, Janice Megan. She's one of the editors at Pacific Business News, and I'm sure you're all very aware and familiar with that publication. Congratulations to you weekly and then into your digital mailbox in the morning and afternoon. So welcome to the program, Janice. Thank you, Janice. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. So you've been involved with media and journalism for your entire career. You've got a lot of experience and that we're glad you're here in Hawaii. But tell us a little bit about what you've done. Well, I've been with PBM for 12 years now. Wow. Yeah. I've done a lot of doing a variety of things and covering a variety of businesses. I'm currently covering real estate, but I've also covered banking and retail and development and other things. And I've also done editing too. So before that, I worked for the Associated Press here and in a couple different places on the East Coast. So bringing a lot of experience to journalism here in Hawaii and you've always stayed very interested in this. What is it that intrigues you or got you into journalism in the first place? I guess just curiosity and learning about new things all the time. And you've covered other areas, not just business in the past, but you've stuck with business now for at least 12 years while you're here in Hawaii. What keeps you interested in that? I think because, well, there's always something new to learn in business every day. Yeah. And you have to look at different stories and different ways of reporting. You've also been in the business for some time, seen a lot of changes in media over the years. So what do you think are some of the key things that you've seen evolve and are most important, particularly for businesses to know who want to get the word out about what they're doing? Right. And what are some maybe... Well, there's been consolidation in media. We used to have two daily newspapers here in Honolulu and now we have one. PBN's been here the whole time. I think that there's, I mean, PBN does business coverage exclusively, but I don't think there's as much business coverage as there used to be locally. But there's also social media. So a lot of businesses are very savvy about building their brands and getting the word out about things that they're doing, especially restaurants and retail businesses. Because the social media has really changed the way a lot of people get information and get their news as well, the quality of the news, and then what people are really looking for. So as that changed, well, obviously it has changed your work significantly. Because though you go to print once a week, and I still love getting that paper in my inbox that they are in my office, but I also look forward to getting the notices of breaking news that come in the morning and in the afternoon from your publisher. Right. From our publisher. Yeah. Personally talking to me. That's right. Yes. So we write for the website every day continuously, so the email is really just a compilation of everything that's been posted up until in the last 24 hours basically. So when you're getting the three o'clock email, that's everything that's been posted since the previous day, most of it that day, some of it 20 minutes before. So it's really, it is very much more current, more immediate than you are getting new. And we actually put more on the web than we do in print just because the web is, it's unlimited and the print is, we're constrained by the number of pages in the paper. And another change that I've noticed with PBN significantly over the years is it is engaging the reader in other activities a lot more as well, not just providing the news, but also in many ways helping create news with events and activities. So how much has that taken a role in the paper? In the business, it's a big part of the business. So we have, as you mentioned, events. So we have, next week, we have our base event of the year called Business Leadership Hawaii. And we have, so for those recognition events, we have nominations open and businesses and individuals are nominated for various awards. So next week, there will be a business leader of the year award and the small business, the large business, I believe we have family owned business also. And then we're also giving a career achievement award to Jay Scheidler, who as you know is a real estate investor here in Hawaii. Yeah, a great product of our school systems and a great supporter of education here and business. They've named the Business School University of Hawaii for him, he's the largest benefactor. That's a great recognition for him and that is a really well attended and worthwhile program. It's always been a great event to put together and support. Right. We have some other recognition events that we have one called Women Who Mean Business and that recognizes women business leaders and business owners. And we also have 40 under 40, which is pretty self-explanatory, but it's for those who don't know, it's 40 young leaders under the age of 40. And those are, again, our business leaders or owners. And we just had an event last week called Best Workplaces and that is the businesses take a survey. The business owners and their employees take a survey, a very detailed survey by a third party and the highest ranking ones to get recognized and those are a lot of small businesses. And I was impressed by a lot of the perks that some of the small businesses have. They're doing creative things. I think that's one of the important things to note in some of these award programs is that it's not just kind of a popularity contest or who gets the most votes. You really are looking at recognizing best practices or unique achievements or accomplishments in a different area. Who generally nominates the businesses? Are they self-nominated? Employees nominate them? Other business leaders in the community nominate businesses they recognize? It varies. Some of the strongest nominations come from other business leaders who write and say you should recognize this, you know, I do business with this business or I know the person who is being nominated and these are all the reasons why they should be recognized. But we do get self-nominations as well and some of them are very strong. And I think one of the things I've noticed since we're kind of in the awards or business recognition as well is that very, very often you learn about these businesses and obstacles they've overcome. Special things that they have, you know, innovations they've made or changes they've made to make it a better place to work, doing business a better way, really commendable things or things they do to give back to the community that you may not have been aware of and it really kind of reinforces how important the businesses in our community are for not only creating jobs in our way of life but also in creating the vitality or the energy or the good things that happen in our community. We put a heavy emphasis on community involvement and giving back to the community. And so even with, it's one of the things that I've been very impressed with even SBA's Small Business Awards over the years. Nominations are open right now. Small Business Person of the Year, Exporter of the Year, Young Entrepreneur of the Year, Family Owned Small Business of the Year. These are rigorous nominations so we collect a lot of information and we do keep most of that information, particularly the proprietary information, confidential which is a critical thing. When we're talking about those key things that businesses do, but you can get those nominations, call our office or go to SBA.gov and you'll be able to find information on that or go to the Small Business Development Center website and get your nomination forms today. And they can go to the PBN website and get their nomination forms. So there are lots of good things and this is a good way for a small business to actually get their brand out there, get more recognition and actually get their name in the news as well. Sometimes not just for this award but an award can make them visible to other businesses or to more customers. People become interested. People want to put their dollars where they're going to have a positive social impact or help their communities as well with let our dollars do the talking. So it can be very positive in parlaying an award into more publicity in many, many different ways. Because I would think that some of those people you see that are brought to your attention and awards may become or be recommended for advisory councils or other interviews or questions when you may be seeking input on a different issue. Does that happen? Yeah, and especially with the 40 under 40, they tend to be kind of up and coming leaders and some of the people that we've written about 5, 10 years ago are now established leaders in the community and sometimes they move on to different jobs or they start new businesses and a lot of them put it on their resume I've seen or on their LinkedIn page. We also have another event that is pretty much solely small business is called the Hawaii's Fastest 50. Fastest 50? Let's talk about that after we come back from break. So make sure you join us and we'll tell you all about Fastest 50. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. My name is Stephanie Mock and I'm one of three hosts of Think Tech Hawaii's Hawaii Food and Farmer series. Our other hosts are Matt Johnson and Pomei Weigert and we talk to those who are in the fields and behind the scenes of our local food system. We talk to farmers, chefs, restaurateurs and more to learn more about what goes into sustainable agriculture here in Hawaii. We are on Thursdays at 4 p.m. and we hope we'll see you next time. Hi, thanks for sticking with us for the second half of this adventures in small business. We've talked a little bit about building your brand, getting your name in the paper, what are some of the ways that Pacific Business News helps people learn about other businesses in the community. We're here with Janice Megan, so thanks for being with us again today. We've talked a little bit about nominating people for awards or the SBA awards, business leaders, the fastest 50, the 40 under 40. Fastest 50 is a very, very popular one and one that can kind of follow a business or really create some other opportunities for a business. So tell us a little bit about what Fastest 50 is about. So Fastest 50 is the 50 fastest growing companies in Hawaii that submit to the contest. But they have to disclose their revenues for the previous three years. And those we do not, well, they have to disclose their financials and they are tabulated by an independent accounting firm. And they calculate the rate of growth over from the first year to the third year. And some years we've had businesses with over a thousand percent growth. Wow. It's amazing. Generally number 50 is looking at 30 to 50 percent growth. So these are companies that are really, really growing. And we have an event, it's usually in August, and we have a luncheon where we recognize them and we recognize them in the paper and online as well. So it's a good way, I always learn a lot about new businesses that maybe weren't on my radar. And generally these are newer businesses that are ramping up pretty quickly? No, not always. Some of them have changed. Some of them have been around for years, but they've just had some really good years. And some of them are repeat on the list. Some of them make the list every year because they're just growing and growing. Some of them make the list and then come back five years later. So it's all different. And some of them are random companies. But they have to have been in business, I don't recall the exact, it's spelled out in the contest rules or the recognition award rules when they have, how long they have had to have been in business. And people can find that information by going to your website. Is it up year round or is it just when that specific award is being opened? I don't think it's up yet. It's probably after the new year. Okay, I think there's probably so many that come up too that you want to kind of check and see which ones you're eligible for. Because yes, we've seen, and I watch a lot of these pretty closely because I do watch for what SBA customers are in these. And I'm very happy to say that very often there's about very frequently 30 to 50% of them are our customers as well. So that's a good thing to see that the companies that we help are continuing to grow and to continue to create jobs and all those things that you want to see a small business doing here in Hawaii. So it's fun to be able to notice that and see the criteria. Yeah, we have a new event coming up early next year that focuses on the technology industry. And then we have another industry specific event in the fall called the Pineapple Awards that recognizes tourism and hospitality. And usually with all of these you may be in tourism and hospitality. There's a range of all different sized businesses. So you do make sure that a number of them are focused on smaller businesses as well as some of the industry leaders. Right, so in that particular one we would have the large hotel of the year which is the Hilton's and the Sheraton's and the Marriott's. And then we have a boutique hotel of the year. So this year we recognize the new Otane Kamana Beach Hotel. Oh, that's always a favorite. Yes, lovely. And encouraging that they're still doing well after all these years kind of staying true to their brand and their image but also keeping up with so many changes that have gone on in the industry and with the tourism product that is Hawaii. We also recognize tours and activities businesses and a lot of those are small businesses. Yeah, that's good to know. I always make sure because it is a tough area for small businesses to make sure that they are getting their name out there, being creative about it. It can take a big chunk of their budget to keep their name out prominently, to advertise, to get into publications. So there are a lot of different things that small businesses need to do. So I wanted to see if you have some tips about keeping their name current. Of course we're looking at Shop Small coming up which is a big promotion. We're going to hear a lot about Black Friday but before Black Friday and Cyber Monday rolls around, remember to Shop Small Business Saturday. There'll be a lot of things happening and there are a lot of fun events that are coming up with that. So what are some other things that people might be able to do with that? Well, we talked about social media and we've talked to a lot of businesses that don't spend money on advertising but they pour a lot of time and effort into social media which is free. Unless you pay to boost your post on Facebook, it's essentially free. But another way, some businesses have hired public relations people and then some are just they reach out to PBN, they'll reach out to reporters on their own or we will reach out to them if we know of them but there's so many businesses out there, it's hard to get to everyone. But we do feature a small business every week. We do a small business feature and it's usually a short story about the business and then a question and answer with usually the owner of the business and that's a weekly feature, you can always find it in PBN and then they're also on the website and we have a small business page so that you can read all, go back and read all the profiles back probably about two years, I think. Oh, okay, so it will live on, so to speak. A small business could contact you or call your newsroom or whatever and say, I've got a story or we're doing a special event or we're featuring something special in our neighborhood. I think with shop small business Saturday a lot of people are maybe looking to their neighborhood shopping centers or putting a contest together or a passport kind of function that perhaps something like that happening they could call and say all these businesses in our neighborhood are doing something maybe it's something you could send somebody out to cover or if you're doing something, what would make it newsworthy? Yeah, I think business is banding together we tend to focus more on the business of doing business rather than the consumer side of things. Our small business profiles, we look at issues that a lot of small businesses face like what do you do when the founder, I wrote one a couple weeks ago and family business on Maui and the founder passed away last year so they're kind of regrouping and looking at the future with the second generation and possibly the third generation running the business we get a lot of people talking about how they hire that's always an issue especially when unemployment is 2% it's a difficult thing especially with retail businesses how do you find good people, what do you do to keep your people once you find them, how you finance expansion or growth how you finance a large purchase such as a building or capital equipment those things can really change how you operate and it can shift your profitability as well your prospects for the long-term survival One of the stories that I did years ago about an orthodontist who purchased a building and using the SBA's headcode loan I spoke to the guy at Headco maybe a year later and he said my phone didn't stop ringing after that story because I think a lot of people weren't aware that financing was available to them and so it could open a lot of doors especially for somebody who's looking to purchase their own real estate instead of lease and control their costs that way and that program is definitely a terrific program I think another thing that was interesting about that was that the orthodontist was a woman it was her first purchase so she was in a field that wasn't common for women at that time to be involved in and to make a significant purchase like that so it was a good size loan and it went pretty smoothly and she didn't use 100% of the building so she leased out so she became a landlord in the process and I've seen that she's done quite well and has multiple offices now and that's another eye-opener for other businesses to see how you can really take that, solve your problem I need to have a place to operate and usually they also find that okay I'm generating more revenue I'm creating an asset and it's just good all the way around and it shows other people that they can do it also those are the best stories too the ones that somebody does something and it works well and readers can look at it and say I've always wanted to do that or I haven't been able to figure out how I can afford to do that or we also get people who maybe quit their job and start a new job and entrepreneurs and who among us hasn't thought about doing it yes so there's a lot of, it's the kind of news you can use and advice that other people can take and apply to their own businesses or their own careers do you usually get tips when you hear about businesses or activities that are going on do you really have to go out and hunt or do you like people that give you tips yes, I'll leave them keep calling, send me an email or I meet people when I go to events or I'm just out and about and I call in business cards or talk with people I've gotten to know some people there yes, you have to be out in the community that's another reason to get out and mix it up or go to events or host events and be out and around yes, and our other reporters that's how they're out in the community and meet new people and they're on their beats and at events and they get to meet new people we're always meeting new people so it's important to be out and around your business as well as working in your business and keeping things going I know it's hard but it is good to keep to be known in the community and to be known in particular the community that you're working with and the community that you serve and to push yourself outside your comfort zone and meet new people and learn new things so business associations, business related events chambers and industry groups and things like that are very, very worthwhile to get the word out and talk more about right, and it's not even just getting your business into the media, it's making new business connections business to business kind of goes well and you never know who you're going to meet I mean you can't just talk about your business you need to be seeking business and looking for ways to provide your product or service to somebody in a way that is beneficial because that business exchange is all about absolutely any last minute tips we're going to be wrapping up for today you'll be able to check this out and see this on a ThinkTech YouTube channel so you have anything else you'd like to close with for Pacific Business News Janice? No, just keep your keep telling us your stories I guess so thanks so much for joining us today make sure you check us out at www.sba.gov backslash hi to check on a lot of those programs it'll be coming up for your business, for networking and for keeping your business in the news and getting your brand out there so thank you very much for joining us appreciate you being here Janice thank you very much


Everyone, Basel Chapman here. This is the 11 o'clock Tiger Financial News Network market update. It does up 147 and 35,604. 35,604. It went to within one point of the 35,631 all-time high of August, but this is only leg C, so it should still go high. It should make a peak C, and then a higher high for leg D, and then we've got to assess what's going on. So far, excellent, excellent action. 35,630.66. Unbelievable. We're looking at the S&P lagging a little bit, the Dow, but still acting very well. It is up 15 at 45.35. It made a higher 45.40.87. 45.85.85 was the all-time high in September, and this is only leg C, which will make a peak C, and then a leg D. We're looking at the QQQ lagging a lot. It is up only 17 cents, so 375 has got a long way to go to 380.78 all-time high, and the IWM, same thing. The IWM is actually up $1.50 at 227.39. Holding quite nicely here, 229.84 was the last high, 234.53 was the all-time high. Hey, look at this. Gold is actually up very nicely here at 12 within that range, but this is the real story. Bitcoin is trading at 67,450 in leg D in the daily chart above the 66.31.310 high that was made back in April. Wow, and this is only leg C in the weekly chart. It should still go in the Chapman Way methodology to a leg D, and it's in a leg D finally in the monthly chart. What is the dollar doing? The dollar is actually holding. It's a little week today. Down 16 ticks at 93.63, and the TLT has been pulling back. It's down 64 cents at 143, so yields are going back up again. So this is a very important week all-round. Don't forget, you've got Larry Percivento coming up, and of course he's going to cover a tremendous amount, I'm sure, and he always has guest hosts. So this should be a wonderful show, a wonderful time for it. Then think or swim. Then you've got Steve Rhodes, Dave White, Tom O'Brien, wonderful technicians. We're going to be listening to them very closely in this particular period, so stay tuned to TFNN, and my service is the opening call daily newsletter, and I hope you can stay for the rest of the shows this afternoon, going to this afternoon. Have a wonderful day. See you tomorrow, same time, same station.


Jameson Springer Homer on a side how encouraged are you by the sounding? Yeah, I thought the stuff was pretty good Just a lot of the stuff I'd been working on in spring training came to light tonight. So You know, I didn't think I was too predictable or anything but obviously the Springer Homer did happen and It was on a slide step, which is something I've been working on So something to work on in between starts Aaron mentioned your slider and how he felt that was a much better pitch for you tonight than it's been in the past What is the biggest difference you see with that pitch? Yeah, I mean I think last year I didn't get a ton of swing and miss on that pitch. I think partially because I wasn't throwing the fastball down a ton So the more I can show the fastball down the more that slider kind of plays on that same line It makes them like respect both of them The fastball down will make the slider play better the slider down will make the forcing play better. So Let's say that was probably the number one thing