for there goes a sensor tube nice sensor tube is alive and we're just waiting for rumble to kick in excellent excellent excellent let's make sure sensor tube is going get it got salin via we have four people waiting for the stream to kick in on rumble salin we are passed out right now again we have a comic book all today as well okay we got a comic book all today as well put daughter plurus are we doing do we have chichu sign did we have chichu sign do we have chichu sign do you have a chichu sign virtual Nazgul salutations what you're doing well Varney what do you mean do we have a chichu sign all the got virtual Nazgul reading 500 points salutations salutations and game game do not forget do not forget free so much free so much free so much Julian so much publisher journalists that has been crucified for trying to be transparency and accountability of capitalist power to humanity something that we desperately desperately need in our societies oh I forgot to do that for more information see wikileaks.org candlesforassange.com or our Julian massage and wikileaks playlist on sensor 2 and for the command on twitch gang I changed the command exclamation free assange to say candles for assange.com but I forgot to make it for the automatic nightbot command that keeps on coming for free assange so I better remember to do that my apologies about that good day plutonic plurus gufi yx you saw the news with Navarney's wife I saw the news with Navarney. Navarney's wife was at attendance at a EU in Majugi and we do have a Navarney command if you do exclamation on Navarney they'll take you to an article written by Scott Ritter. Oh god we have chichuos sign the likes God has never seen that is how it has to be assange free that is how it has to be and gang we are live on rumble as well for some reason I I'm assuming we're live on sensor 2 but the analytics hasn't kicked in on sensor 2 but I'm assuming we're live on sensor 2 but we're live on sensor 2 gang oh I see the chat we are we are going good evening from Rome salutations Marco and Silver salutations Kyle chichuos how's it going bruh doing good doing good Kyle doing good blue ox on sensor 2 salutations salutations doom coat oh the worms I was like what that was confusing me all again they should have been a thing but again our movie folder on what do you call it for the guest this movie from the land to the sea free songs and let the world be indeed indeed slick McNivarney's wife was immediately taken off Twitter X after promising to continue his work I think it it was they were referencing about Navarney okay that's why yeah I saw that I wasn't sure why but Twitter is Twitter now right some people say it's gone like yeah it is what it is I'm gonna make a video now gang I'm chichu welcome to our live stream today is February 20th 20 24 and we're doing part 3 of our Iran contrast scandal training card readings and we're gonna read cars number 25 to 36 today but we also have a comic book haul that we're gonna do okay we're gonna give one another five minutes or so to roll in and then we're gonna do a comic book haul which is related to the stuff a little bit all the God would like this all the God would like this King chill on sensor 2 salutations he chose could you give me your thoughts on Wall Street and the big asset managers like black rock and state rock curious what you think about them they're basically it's sort of roll out of flashes on the large part because but you'll like this you might be Batman related you know sort of crime related I'll give you it just King King chilly on sensor 2 was asking about what I think about black rock and Wall Street and all these funds and whatnot basically what happened after 2000 a financial collapse right Obama opened the floodgates and gave all these asset managers Wall Street because city group really picked Obama's administration right so city group was basically their bankrupt like but they picked who Obama's administration was going to be and as soon as Obama took over they gave a ton of money hundreds of billions of dollars to companies like black rock which were in the red right to manage whilst taxpayer money to you know pretend that everything hadn't collapsed and to build back the US economy and what they did was took all that money and privatized everything right they started buying houses that were underwater shouldn't have been worth you know maybe 50% of what they were on paper and stuff like this right because the North American economy especially United States in Canada the housing market really drives the Canadian US economies really is housing is huge huge huge and the housing market had completely collapsed so they gave all this money to black rock and companies like and they started buying up all these houses that were underwater and all these construction companies were going under and stuff like this it was so ridiculous to a level where banks were actually destroying houses to take him off the market so the prices wouldn't collapse look into it I followed the stuff as it was happening it was crazy robo-signing mortgages and just what do you call it the the the the the they were giving mortgages to people that like how million-dollar mortgages to people didn't even have a job like it was crazy it was crazy and what's what's the end result of all this after 15 years of giving these people taxpayer money right taxpayer money right US debt at the end of the Bush administration I believe it was around nine children a trillion I believe right now 15 years later 16 17 years later is 33 trillion right and a lot of those trillions went to Wall Street to buy assets to compete against Joe blow me and you and housing is one of the things and into the stock market and stuff like this so it's a scam right it's a government core a government corporate partnership where they take taxpayer money and give it to the private corporations and private corporations really control the government so they it's a loop they continue to filter money filter money filter money and it's gonna come to heads that's where we are that's where we are okay with anger life from old Australia cheers bloke cheers cheers cheers and indeed free a song free a song John Summerfold on censored to a good afternoon how are you doing state street house sorry thank you thank you state street or Wall Street a lot of bark free song free song indeed Batman is the reason why there's inflation virtual Nazgul says mr. brain free salutations on twitch how are you doing George 19 oh wait hello everybody been a long time since I caught a stream glad to have you glad to have you gang let's do a little count and then we're gonna do a comic book all and then we're gonna get into the readings I don't see the stats on the sensitive I'm assuming we're live because people are watching we've got four people on rumble I think we 22 people on twitch I have no idea how many people got on sensitive we got like 10 people on sensitive or something like that okay so gang let's do a comic book all okay let's do a comic book all but it's not a comic book all it's a trading card haul okay it's a trading card all but it's not these guys it's not these guys okay we're calling comic book all because it's eclipse comics trading cards right these are eclipse comics right and this is what we're gonna be doing we're gonna read part three of this cars number 25 to 36 today but we got a box and I tore off the address and stuff on here and it really sucks that the person sent this in this because you can still smell smell like dish soap stuff on this right because it's finish powerball this is not advertisement and I would never use this in my laundry and never have and no one in the family ever uses these things and I highly recommend that you do not use these things these are not very healthy for you from under what I understand wood a guy wood on guy life hey fella Queensland oh Queensland Australia old Australia Queensland Australia Australia is let's see where it goes let's see where it goes man it was pretty draconian Canada this may be going in a better direction Canada is still going draconian right stick to your clothes yeah this stuff I don't know about this stuff man so gang let me tell you what's what we bought this thing for this thing total cost a hundred and seventy dollars Canadian hundred and seventy Canadian okay it was twenty five dollars shipping and twenty four dollars taxes Canadian taxes right I bought it from a Canadian seller so I'm gonna get dinged with taxes I decided to go with a Canadian seller because we're selling a lot and I wouldn't get dinged with extra taxes at the border coming from the United States it's still 14% tax 14% tax on a used item used item from 30 years ago if I decide to sell this again there'll be at least 14% tax so who knows how many times tax has been collected on this item that is the world we live in right now right so total for this 220 dollars Canadian and that comes out to multiply by 7550 probably around the hundred sixty dollars us okay let's crack this baby open let's crack this baby open and I don't have these oh no let me rephrase I'll show you I do have something of this man I should have put in the shoebox or something let's check stinky stuff exactly cards right non-sports trading cards Aldega I want to guess what cars you want to guess what cars they are we talked about it's not a sponsor dangerous ASMR Cheecho can you recommend the good way of washing clothes just the or like non-chemically organic we buy like non-stinky order-free just regular like the simplest stuff you can imagine just put a little scoop in and wash it and I'm from a guy like I stopped using like underarm deodorants and stuff people are gonna go you see the memes coming or comments coming but I haven't used underarm it deodorant like to take away natural bodily smell for 25 years at least right at least elder God knows where it's at serial serial killers trading cards exactly check this out check this out check this out check this out demora 1907 first after a cheecho word where do you get your information from I've seen some of your videos on YouTube I want to know where you get come to our discord server come to our discord server and we link up a lot of information on there I haven't put out a video regarding you know my most recent news sources but there's a lot that we link there it's just not me it's other people linking as well okay check this out it's not bad putting it in these things we lost a little thing would you for the box these things here I'm gonna put this guy here series one this one open to gilded oh yeah did I say nothing say discord did I gilded server discord committed Susan secure so yeah random random moon spring salutations hope you're doing well let me take off the gilded server then bring up the censor to chat Zeno Zeno pucks a cheecho hope you're doing well can you talk a bit about what happened with Julia Timor is that Navarney's wife is that Navarney's wife again take a look at this okay let me show you this so these guys I'm gonna change the view I'm gonna change the view okay these are the true crime let me change the view on here check this out these are the true crime trading cards that came out from eclipse comics these ones the serial killers right true crime serial killers okay there's four sets total okay these two are together what's going on these guys slumgings there there's four sets that came out each set was 55 cards so each one of these is supposed to not each one of these each complete set is supposed to be changes but each complete set is supposed to be 220 cards right so there's four times 220 cards here now I mentioned that at the time I did buy some of these cards when they came out because some of the comic book stores weren't caring it because it was serial killers it was taboo and stuff like this so this is what the packs looked like I could only find three in my collection right these were the true crime trading cards right that's where these guys came from these guys right and I ended up having a box as well I'm not sure how I got this box maybe the comic book store or gave it to me right bottom box of these things I can't remember right and this is the back of the box right so true crime trading cards about all that information right that's what these cards are and it's got let's see Charles Manson and all that jazz G men and gangsters series two so this is series one and series two the box for series one and series two looks like it series to G men and gangsters okay and so on this side is serial killers and mass murderers text by Valerie Jones and Piggy Collar and then this is series to G men and gangsters text by Max Allen Collins and George hungles whatever art by Paul Lee and the art on this one series one is John Bright right so that's the box and these are what the individual packs look like okay I don't know if I have any more of these I you know I would have to check these are the only ones that I you know at the time when I did some organizing I found some but let's the kicker here is this should be four sets complete and we're seeing there's three of these ones I'm assuming it's just organized that way series to kiss no okay the sticker here says kiss so it's not kiss okay and then there's one of these so I'll have to go through these and then there is two of these ones with Al Capone right so I'm assuming let's bring out let's take a look at too bad they're not so I would have to yeah check this out this is card number 111 and goes all the way to card 220 and they look to be in order which is great I'll have to check these to 20 committee look at this beautiful artwork right Pontus on Pontus Hagvar on sensitive you're asking me about Novartny if you come to our twitch livestream in the command if you type in exclamation mark Novartny an automatic message will come up and it sends you to an article that Scott Ritter just put out this morning I skimmed through it I know a little bit about Novartny but I'm not you know I didn't look into him too much because from what I understand he wasn't a huge significant as you know the Western world like to say that he was Putin's major political rival but he wasn't he wasn't really well known in Russia he ran for mayor of Moscow and I think he only got like five percent of vote or something like this oh this that little thing that we had was broken from here okay I'm gonna have to organize these a little bit better put them so that's that this seems to be the same this seems to be the same so I got a feeling the guy didn't send me oh no so this has got to be so that's 110 serial killers murderers who done it so I'm just assuming this is out of order so it's each one of these contains two sets so I'm assuming this guy is the same as these ones okay so let's check this out let's crack this one open and make sure it's card number one so what's Al Capone then so card number one here is slum gangs right let's see card slum gangs the roots of organized crime beautiful artwork look at that jeez really nice artwork beautiful yeah real xenomorph that's the article I put in for what do you call it on twitch that links it up to that article that I posted on our gilded server right so that's card number one so I'm assuming this one Al Capone is not card number one okay how do we open this there we go so this is card number seven okay cool this is card number one and I'm assuming card number seven is here is gonna be Al Capone if we put it in order card number three four five there it is Al Capone okay cool so I'm assuming these aren't in order one two three four five come on five six nice and then this is gonna be card number eight I hope it is card number eight right so this one Al Capone belongs at card number seven cool so that's what's going on these are really tight okay let's rearrange this as well why not and I have no idea if we're ever gonna get a chance to read all of these but card number one nice nice so we have card number four see that so card number seven Al Capone belongs there and since Al Capone is out let's see what it says for Al Capone Al Capone so set number one and two our cards number one two one ten or one oh nine one oh nine I think it'd be one oh nine no one ten and then set three and four our cards number one eleven to 220 right so Al Capone Alphonse Capone grew up in Brooklyn should we read this let's read this game let's do a little we'll pull this segment out okay so this is a comic book I'm gonna make sure I don't lose organize these oh yeah these guys belong with this one these guys are over here we've got four sets of these and these are the true crime check this out see that Al Capone wanted true crime trading cars serial killers gmen gangsters and mass murderers right and I bought this box and I got this box and bought some packs back in the day in early 1990s when they first came out okay but I never had a complete set right and the reason I bought these mainly is because some comic shops weren't caring them because you know they thought it was inappropriate so for me not liking censorship I decided to I must have them okay so these ones what I just did was just bought four complete sets of series one two three and four okay and these guys three of them have complete set one two and three in them and then set sorry one one and two set one and two are in this and set three and four are in these guys okay and this whole thing ended up costing 170 dollars Canadian plus 74 plus $25 in shipping plus $24 in taxes so total came out to around 220 dollars Canadian for three complete sets of the true crime trading cars put out by Eclipse comics and I figured as long as we're doing this might as well read the Al Capone card right Al Capone card since it's also on the box and it's card number seven in the series and these guys came out check it out came out in 1992 true true crime series one G men and gangsters text copyright 1992 Paul Alan Collins and George Hagan Hagan are art copyright 1992 Paul Lee Eclipse enterprises PO box 1099 Forestville California 95436 G men equals gangsta no G men equals G men is the cops isn't it gangster men is a gangster man no I think G men is like FBI right so you know there's 220 cards here we're picking one and you know at some point maybe we'll read the whole thing right so card number seven from series one of true crime from Eclipse comics Al Capone Alfonzo Capone grew up in Brooklyn slums and was thrown out of school in the sixth grade for attacking his teacher what about us while working as a bouncer at the Harvard Inn for Frankie Yale then head of the Union Sicilian Union Sicilian Capone cracked many a drunk skull and was himself cut across the cheek thus acquiring acquiring the nickname Scarface by 1919 Capone was suspended suspected of two murders and had become and had became close friends with many future mobsters including lucky Luciano Ciro Terra Terra Nova and Johnny Torino Capone was working for Torino in Chicago when Torino took over big Jim Colosimo's mob in 1920 Torino set Capone up at the Fordus saloon as a bodyguard chauffeur and brothel pitchman Capone was Torino's right hand man learning the business while Torino created a multi-million dollar crime syndicate employing 1,000 men in 1925 Torino was wounded in a gang shooting he retired a multimillionaire leaving Capone to inherit his remarkable criminal organization like any corporation Torino's mob Torino's mob was divided into departments in this case bootlegging brothels gambling and contract murder the key leaders of what would be known for the next 30 years are the Capone mob as the Capone mob were already in place when Capone took charge Capone was an efficient crime boss fiercely loyal to his key men he often continued gang wars rather than turn a single hitman over to the enemy for retribution he was the first mobster to court reporters occasionally occasionally even holding press conferences he would need all his skill to survive the next four years as the Torino O'Brien Torio O'banion feud gave rise to the bloodiest gang war in US history C-card 8 Peter von Fratzus Peter von Fratzus we have Peter von Fratzus here Peter von Fratzus look at that slim mustache G-men there we go alligat G-men is government men government agents yeah cool thank you so pretty cool huge history here huge history here and what I'll do I'll check to make sure some of these boxes put them in they're broken unfortunate see that so I'll have to be careful with these I might have to visit a comic book store and get some sleeves and stuff for these but we've got four sets we've got three sets gang and and what are we gonna do with these tests the stuff what are we gonna do with the stuff we we are going to take one of these sets there's set series one two three and four we'll break these up and auction off each of the sets in yearly comic book auctions so I get to have two sets complete sets and we'll auction off series one series two series three and series four in different packs as auctions sound good sound good that's our comic book all gang so again we're getting some goodies for me and we're getting some goodies for you guys for a Twitch yearly auction so we got drug war trading cars were auctioning off we got crime trading cars we got run to the core trading cars and we got honey garlic honey setup that we're gonna do we'll definitely have what do you call it comic books right and something else that I just got what did I get what I get I got oh yeah famous comic book creators trading cards right so we got some goodies to do I'm glad we got this I've been keeping an eye on and this was the best deal I could get for a bulk buy for a whole set I wanted the whole set right I wanted the whole set because you know you're paying for shipping there's taxes and stuff like this but if I bought the set separately I would have to pay shipping four times and it was gonna kick up the price for these so 220 dollars Canadian for three sets that comes out to like 73 dollars 74 dollars per complete set of these which is pretty good which is pretty good Canadian of course Canadian of course right got to go to work oh no would I got life cheers cheers Marco on sensitive funny listen to you pronounce Italian names brutal on brutal with American Canadian English names let alone Italian names right oh oh let's go salutation Piscons interesting stuff interesting stuff indeed mean clear bam salutations on twitch that got look like Walt what the oh Walt's from what do you call it making blue crack panic chicho I come for the proper information here brother what happened today in the Julian Assange case I saw some headlines only you know what I had the live stream going earlier this morning but we don't have any word yet they're in court supposedly they were streaming the sound the audio but they were using tech that's like 20 years old intentionally right so people couldn't hear reporters couldn't hear what they were saying what was going on so they're doing shenanigans look man in the UK in Canada in the Western world in the United States we're living in fascist states and the fucking story anybody that even thinks that these are democracies that we live in that there's rule of law right now there's justice there isn't the the kangaroo court they've set up to persecute torture Julian Assange the way they've been doing proves proves it all right it tells us exactly what we need to know about who our governments are who these corporations are what the deep state is what the CIA is what the FBI is what the police are what the court systems are what the judges are what this kangaroo court system and the so-called injustice system is that we live under it's up to us to get it back let's see what we can do what will be the straw that broke the camel's back we'll see we'll see as far as I'm concerned I was done with them a long long ass time ago we'll see what the masses think the last straw is Zino talks Yulia Tamushenko is a Ukrainian politician who served as Prime Minister of Ukraine in 2005 and again from 2007 to 2010 is that the lady with the hairs I'm really bad with names she was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2011 and released again in 2014 she she negotiated during gas disputes with Russia might be interesting yeah she's the blonde hair girl she she had the hairs during the Maidan coup stuff during the early 2000s 2004 she was vying for power in Ukraine is that the one we're talking about Zino she met with Putin as well a long time ago 10 years ago or so Ukraine is going through tremendous changes right now there's different types of factions different types of people vying for power we'll see who will finally take control and who is going to be eliminated calling it as as we go is going to be very difficult yeah thank you Zino talks Zino talks talks thank you talks apologies I didn't recognize the name right away I'm crappy with names man but yeah she's an oligarch she made she's a multi-multi-millionaire again made her money through gas and corruption we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes and as far as I know she really doesn't have too much of a tie with the Nazis there so I don't know I can say that I had a good viewing oh my god Nicholas hey chicho hey chat salute Nicholas how are you doing apologies I will have to chat up on replay enjoy the stream right in the salutations Nicholas thank you for popping in and we we never did the relationship stream on February 14th we're gonna do it at some point El Dugod the protesters all over Europe was absolutely means yeah yeah El Dugod linked it up on our discord server Italy France and stuff right sorry it's really sorry it's really old name on my twitch account no worries it's a good name right Marco Marco is asking us sensitive what are my thoughts on nuclear energy I put out a video a few years ago saying I didn't appreciate nuclear energy I didn't like it because that's a multiple reasons right because the disposal system of the waste is insane one of the ways they're disposing of the waste is by making DU weapons which is absolutely insane and a lot of reactors are garbage and you know we're producing waste that's you know going gonna be around longer than the Sun is going to be around longer than the Earth is going to be around much longer than human beings are going to be around that being said I've changed my mind nuclear energy is the way to go for us right now if we're gonna build new reactors new waves of disposing of the waste reusing some of the waste is energy so I'm pro nuclear energy now right I wasn't pro I was pro nuclear in the 1990s I went I went not pro nuclear for a long time up to a few years ago in the last two years or so two three four years now I'm pro nuclear again that's my take and I I I changed my opinion based on the information I come across right Marco that's the question you're asking on censor to aside from that gang let's do part three of our Iran contra scandal trading card readings right we've done part one we've done part two and we're gonna do part three okay and we're gonna read cards number 30 25 to 36 in this reading plutonic pluruses on rumble and other gods are rumble too cool who is about this time still an open question whether fusion energy is reasonable yeah back to the 80s back to the 80s gang I'm gonna change my view I'm gonna turn off notifications I'm gonna change my view let me turn off the notifications I'm gonna turn off chat as well so we won't get any chat okay and we'll do it outro we didn't do an intro but we'll do an outro wow we're already 45 minutes in and I'll come back to the live stream to this view once we finish the reading and I'm gonna set this up the way we did before so we can do the intro and we've done the readings all the way to card number 24 I'm gonna set it up the way we have before I'm gonna do our little intro hello lonely piggy on censored on twitch how are you doing I'm gonna bring up the chat for censored too hi everyone this is Chichu welcome to my channel and welcome to the live stream today is February 20th 2024 and we're doing part 3 of reading the Iran Contra scandal trading cards we've read in part 1 cards number 12 to 14 12 to 12 1 to 12 and in part 2 we read cards number 13 to card number 24 and today we're gonna read cards number 25 to number 36 and these cards are basically an amazing history of what took place in the 1980s with the Iran Contra scandal there's a lot of history there connects up to a lot of politics a lot of economics a lot of deep state a lot of CIA a lot of FBI a lot of war mongering and a lot of insane people that have been given a lot of power to create a lot of chaos in our societies okay and what we're gonna do is we're gonna continue our reading and learn more about what took place and some of the characters some of the players that were involved during that period and before and after because the people here that we read some of them were still around they're still active many many years after Iran Contra affair ended and they were active and in power many years before the Iran Contra scandal took place okay and what we're gonna do is read card number 25 card number 25 William Buckley card number 25 of the Iran Contra scandal trading cards from eclipse comics William Buckley and these came out and as before 1988 card number 25 CIA station chief William Buckley William Buckley was the CIA chief of station in Beirut Lebanon when on March 16th 1984 he was kidnapped by Muslim Shi'at fundamentalist his abduction sent shock waves through the intelligence community for Buckley was the CIA's top terrorism expert CIA director William Casey's decision to send Buckley to Beirut in 1983 had been doubly dangerous first Buckley was an obsessive womanizer whose flamboyant ways had led to breaches of security while he was stationed in Vietnam in the early 1970s second his cover had been blown in Pakistan in 1979 when Muslim fundamentalists had ransacked the US Embassy in Islamabad gaining access to high-secret US intelligence Casey's decision violated a CIA rule not to send an agent who had been burnt into the same theater of operations for at least five years in November 1984 ex-CIA agent Theodore Shackley CCR 24 who had known Buckley in Vietnam went to Hamburg West Germany to meet with Manutcher Gorbin afar CCR 26 an exiled Iranian Wheeler dealer living in Paris who claimed he could arrange an arms for hostages ransom deal for the release of Buckley in October of 1985 two months after the first US Israeli shipment of TOW missiles to Iran the CIA received reliable information that Buckley had been taken to Iran and tortured to death the preceding the preceding June it is still not known what secrets if any he revealed to his captors that's card number card number 26 Manutcher Gorban afar Manutcher Gorb Gorbana far Manutcher Gorbana far Ali was here with all the writing Nietzsche Nietzsche is dead God this thing that says Nietzsche is dead God oh there's Farsi writing as well what does that say I can't read Farsi so I don't know what that says for no I'm a contra oh and plus FH God is dead Nietzsche ha that's what it is check that out so quote God is dead Nietzsche and then it says Nietzsche is dead God ha humor in the Iran contra trading cards Manutcher Gorbana far let's check this out card number 26 arms merchant Manutcher Gorbana far by November 1984 when expatriate Iranian arms dealer Manutcher Gorbana far offered ex CIA agent Theodore Shackley his help and freeing hostage William Buckley C car 24 and 25 he had already failed three CIA lie detector tests four months earlier the CIA had issued a quote burn notice and quote of Gorba warning that he should be regarded as an intelligence fabricator and a new one new new sense nevertheless Michael Leedon terrorism consultant to the NSC and Israeli agent David kimchi C car 25 vouch for Gorbana far to national security advisor Robert McFarlane C car 28 Leedon called Gorbana far one of the most honest educated honorable men I have ever known thus Gorbana far became the middleman for the first five arms for hostages shipments of TOW and Tomahawk missiles to Iran later McFarlane was to refer to Gorbana far as a borderline moron after the first three missile shipments brokered by Gorbana far and Leedon produced only one hostage CIA director William Casey ordered another lie detector test Gorbana far failed again on every question but his name nationally afterwards he appeared and lead Leedon's house claiming he had been physically injured during the test Richard Secord became Leedon's replacement but Gorbana far was allowed to broker two more arms deals all over north testified that Gorbana far was suspected of being an Israeli agent north also said that Gorbana far had given him the idea to divert profits from Iranian arms deals to the contrast in a men's room ladies and gentlemen the people who run our countries and spend hundreds of billions of dollars of our taxpayer money making deals in men's washrooms number 26 card number 27 card number 27 who's this guy David kimchi David kimchi card number 27 senior Israeli intelligence official David kimchi David kimchi a 30 year Mossad Israeli intelligence veteran directed Israeli foreign ministry until 1986 in February 1982 kimchi and national security advisor Robert McFarland C-card 28 arrived at a secret plan plan arrived at a secret plan for Israeli participation in US covert actions in Central America first Israeli military advisors train Guatemalan and Honduran armed forces then after Israel captured tons of East Block weapons from the PLO during his June 1982 invasion of Lebanon Israel offered to send these weapons to the contrast in return for favorable prices on US fighter planes the Reagan administration agreed to this proposal and the Pentagon assigned Richard Seacourd C-card number 19 to oversee the weapons shipments shortly after being visited by the NC and SC's Michael Leiden in May 1985 kimchi began to promote Manutra Gorbin far's credentials to American officials C-card number 26 by August he had convinced McFarland and Oliver North C-card number 13 that Gorbin afar's contacts could produce CIA agent William Buckley and other hostages C-card number 25 in return for generous shipments of weapons to Iran the Iran initiative arms for hostages plan failed but Israel Israel continued to supply weapons to the Contras through 1986 one arms network was run by former Mossad agent named Mike Herrera a close associate of Panama's drug dealing general Noriega Emmanuel Noriega while supplying East Block arms to the Contras Herrera was also shipping Medellin cartel cocaine out of Panama C-card number 11 Mossad working closely with the CIA to send weapons to Iran and weapons to South America you can't make this shit up for real for real birth 27 C-card number 28 look at this good boy hole in this Bible who is this who is this Robert McFarland Robert McFarland is that a dunce cap birthday cake and a Bible is that his birthday hat on Robert McFarland C-card number 28 national security advisor Robert Bud McFarland Marine Lieutenant Colnell Robert Bud McFarland was one of the original planners of the Contra war against Nicaragua in 1981 as an assistant to Secretary of State Alexander Hague McFarland authored quote taking the war to Nicaragua and quote and let the restricted inter agency group RIG which formulated and carried out an administrative the administration Central American policies during his tenure as national security advisor from October 1983 through December 1985 McFarland oversaw Lieutenant Colnell Oliver North activities C-card number 13 he repeatedly lied to Congress about North's actions and his own because he believed their actions were illegal under the Boland amendment McFarland successfully solicited contra aid from foreign governments and also took part in the unsuccessful attempts to free hostage hostage CIA agent William Buckley C-card number 25 26 and 27 when McFarland led a delegation to Iran in May 1986 carrying a cake and spare parts for Hawk anti-aircraft missiles it was at the request of John point Dexter his successor as national security advisor C-card number 35 McFarland was the natural choice having been instrumental in persuading the president to authorize the original Israeli U.S. shipment of TOW missiles to Iran in August 1985 when three days of meetings failed to produce even one hostage then delegation came home empty-handed and a broken butt McFarland returned to private life on February 9 1987 Robert McFarland tried to kill himself with an overdose of Valium saying he had failed his country for number 28 card number 29 Eugene has enough has in fuss Eugene hasn't fuss hazenfoss Eugene hazenfoss card number 29 CIA cargo kicker Eugene hazen hazenfoss on October 5 1986 SC 130 123 transport plane carrying arms to the Contras was shot down by Sandinista troops the Reagan administration denied any government role in the flight but subsequent evidence proved otherwise Eugene hazenfoss the cargo kicker and long lone survivor was found to be a longtime CIA employee as were the two American pilots who died in the crash all three had previously been employed by Air America the CIA's airline in Southeast Asia they were being paid by Robert C. Court C-card number 19 the airplane belonged to Southern Air Transport a CIA proprietary the airplanes the planes wreckage yielded detailed flight logs Robert Owens business card C-card number 14 and a yellow air America operators manual the most damaging evidence came from hazenfoss himself he told a press conference that his supervisors in the operation max Gomez and remit Ramon Medina were working for vice president George Bush C-card 32 Ramon Medina was later identified as Louis Pasada Careless a shooter team alum alumnus C-card 23 and an escapee from a Venezuelan jail where he'd been held in connection with the bombing of a Cuban civilian airline which resulted in the death of 73 people max Gomez is the non the guru of longtime CIA agent Felix Rodriguez C-card number 30 Eugene hazenfoss was found guilty of invading Nicaragua Nicaraguan airspace by Sandinista's tribunal and then pardoned by Nicaraguan president Danielle Ortega after his release he filed suit against the CIA for damages balls on this guy Eugene hazenfoss card number 30 Felix Rodriguez Felix Rodriguez who's this delightful person execute guavara executes Phoenix oh Bay of Pigs look at that Bay of Pigs Bay of Pigs this guy was involved in the Bay of Pigs CIA I see CIA business Cuba Vietnam look at that torture oh my this guy's got a lot of names attached to Felix Rodriguez let's check out who this guy is of course card number 30 former CIA operative former CIA operative Felix Rodriguez Felix Rodriguez former CIA agent and a lot alumnus of the CIA's shooter team C-card 23 is best known for his role in the killing of Che Guevara in 1967 from 1969 to 72 he flew hundreds of missions for the CIA in Vietnam as a helicopter gunship pilot and counter insurgency expert he was shot down at least five times his superior officer was Donald Greg C-card number 35 31 who reported to Theodore Shackley C-card 24 in 1981 Rodriguez went to Honduras to help Argentina counter terrorism specialist specialist trained Contra soldiers there in 1983 he presented plans to Donald Greg outlining the use of mobile strike units to attack rebel bases in El Salvador Greg forwarded the plans to Robert McFarland C-card number 28 all over North C-card number C-card number 13 sent Rodriguez to a low pango military air airbase in El Salvador where in 1984 he was directing Contra resupply operations for Richard Seacor's an enterprise C-card number 19 and 20 flying helicopter missions for the El Salvador military an arranging safe passage for Medellin cartel cocaine en route from Panama to the U.S. C-card 11 Rodriguez was the controller control agent in charge of the ill-fated Hasanoff flight into Nicaragua C-card number 29 between 1983 in 1986 Rodriguez had 17 meetings with Greg three of which included Vice President George Bush C-card number 32 when Hasanoff was shot down the first call the first call Rodriguez made was to push Bush's office a former girlfriend has reported that Rodriguez carries a concealed weapon and likes to shoot out street lights for fun known as the Ayatollah of the Contras he is set to still wear the wristwatch he took from the dead body of Che Guevara wow Felix Rodriguez do we see Che's name in the back they have pigs CIA is that C for Che we got Cuba up top there card number 30 Donald Greg Donald Greg vice presidential security advisor Donald Greg in the wake of the hasn't fast debacle C-card number 29 Donald Greg national security advisor to Vice President George Bush C-card number 32 tried to distance distance himself from the activities of his old friend Felix Rodriguez C-card number 30 Greg stated publicly that he didn't know of Rodriguez involvement in the Contras supply network until August 8 1986 although he did admit that he and Felix were still fast friends Greg took credit for bringing Rodriguez and Oliver North C-card number 13 together but insisted that they had not confided their activities to him adhering instead to the need to know principle Rodriguez on the other hand broadcast his ties to Bush and Greg to anyone who would listen according to Richard C-card card number 19 the relationship between Greg and Rodriguez became so notorious and led to such widespread public speculation about Vice President Bush's involvement with the Contras supply operations that John single lob C-card number 7 wrote to North is September 1986 saying that Rodriguez's daily contact with Bush's office could damage President Reagan and the Republican Party C-card number 36 clearly Greg's this disclaimers in regard to Rodriguez were intended to limit the injury to George Bush's reputation when Oliver North was assigned to the National Security Council in 1981 Greg was the head of the NSC's intelligence directorate which was responsible for all the covert action projects undertaken by the NSC Donald Greg Donald the guy's so nasty the camera doesn't want to focus on him again crazy nasty people nasty people card number 32 skeletons in his closet known as the WIMP George Bush went to war to prove that he wasn't a WIMP George Bush senior what a piece of work this guy George Bush senior card number 32 Vice President George Bush Vice President George Bush head of the drug in interdiction tax task force and the counterterrorism task force chairman of the crisis pre-planning group of the special situation group with oversight authority for public and covert actions related to terrorism policy former CIA director from 1976 to 1977 and patron of the Felix Rodriguez and patron of Felix Rodriguez C-card number 30 claimed that on foreign policy decisions he was left out of the loop according to the Iran Contra committee's report the vice president attended several meetings on the Iran initiative but none of the participants could recall his views however John Pointexter then president Reagan's National Security Advisor C-card number 35 had written the memo on February 1st 1986 which stated in reference to the Iran initiative the president and vice president are solid in taking the position that we have to try as to Bush's knowledge of Rodriguez's role in the Contra aid network there is a briefing memo from April from in April 30 1986 meeting between between Bush and Rodriguez listing the subjects to be discussed the status of the war in El Salvador and the resupply of the Contras in 1988 Bush the Republican presidential nominee chose as his running mate Indiana senator Dan Quayle C-card number 14 when a memo from then FBI head J Edgar Hoover was found stating that Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd 1963 about the reaction of the anti-castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy Bush's aides denied he was he was this George Bush but allegations continued to continue that Bush is concealing long-standing ties to the CIA and to Cuban exiles such as Rodriguez card number 30 to this delightful monster George Bush senior many people collect George Bush senior to assassination on John F. Kennedy supposedly he was in Texas drinks while Kennedy was assassinated card number 33 Edwin Mies the third Fed 759029 Zed Edwin Mies the third was Edwin Mies the general card number 33 Edwin Mies the third attorney general after the hasn't fast crashed C-card number 29 US Attorney General Edwin Mies the third delayed FBI and customs investigations of southern air transport the CIA company which had owned the down plane but the US missile sales to Iran were exposed in Lebanese Journal on November 4th 1986 and a full scale investigation became inevitable Mies told the press on November 25th that while on a fact-finding mission for the president he had discovered a memo in Oliver North's office indicating that profits from the sale of missiles to Iran had been diverted to the Contras Mies stated that when he informed president Reagan of this of his discovery the president had claimed total ignorance during the ensuing investigation the question of whether or not Reagan had known about the diversion was debated at length the more serious issue the ballast basic illegality of the war against Nicaragua was all but ignored Mies's inept handling of the investigation his failure to secure North's office or to take notes while questioning the principles allowed much much evidence to be destroyed Edwin Mies was investigated repeatedly concerning allegations of influence peddling and shady financial deals he finally resigned on July 5th 1988 claiming the investigation had vindicated him subsequent publications of the special prosecutors report indicated however that Mies may well have committed criminal acts whether or not he obstructed justice during his term as chief law enforcement officer of the US deserves further investigation Edwin Mies the third sharing a fair bit of info about these people these monsters don't disappear card number 34 who is this Fawn Hall better shred than red haha Arthur O. Gries junior better shred secretary card number 34 secretary Fawn Hall sometimes you have to go above the written law explained Fawn Hall devoted secretary of Oliver North see card number 13 Hall felt that when North ordered her to destroy or alter government documents he was heeding a call to obey a higher law Hall testified that on the evening of November 21st 1986 she helped shred a pile of documents pile of documents a foot and a half high that included notes telephone logs and encoded messages she stated that although shredding was done routinely on this particular night so many material were shredded that the shredding machine jammed from the overload according to Robert McFarlane see car card number 28 North had already shredded all key documents relating to the Iran initiative and the Contra supply operations by the afternoon of the 21st the story of the shredding party suggested an element of haste which made the survival of the Iran Contra division memo found by Attorney General Edmund Mies see card number 3 more reliable more than a simple typist Hall was deeply in met in in meshed in the national security community she dated our thorough crew our thorough crews junior the son of one of Contra leaders and a Contra himself Hall's mother where Robert was Robert McFarlane secretary Fawn Hall went on from Oliver North office to work as a secretary for the Navy with no access to classified materials she has expressed hopes of becoming an actress if she ever became an actress card number 35 John pointexter findings findings nothing to see your gang John pointexter card number 35 national security adviser John pointexter vice admiral John M pointexter served as president Reagan's national security adviser from December 1985 through November 25th 1986 he was known throughout his Navy career as an officer with a photographic memory who kept his superiors well informed pointexter testified that he had made a very deliberate decision not to ask the president about the division diversion of miss missile profits to the Contras in order to provide some future deniability for the president if it ever leaked out he further stated that Reagan would have approved if he had been asked the following day after Reagan announced that he would not have approved pointexter explained that that is the whole idea of deniability pointexter testified concerning Oliver North activities see card number 13 that I never believed that the Boland amendment ever applied to the NSC staff this odd interpretation of the Boland amendment by which Congress had meant to cut off all military aid to the Contras was supported by Edwin me me's the president's legal adviser C card number 33 pointexter pointexter repeatedly lied to Congress about ends and SC's role in helping the Contras like North pointexter destroyed piles of documents including including he said the only copy of the presidential finding retroactively authorizing missile sales to Iran and characterizing these sales as a straight arms for hostage a swap in 1988 John pointexter was in indicted indicted for defrauding the U.S. government and obstructing justice John pointexter finally card number 36 Ronald Reagan just say don't just say don't Reagan the car number 36 United States president Ronald Dutch Reagan on May 15 1987 President Ronald Wilson Reagan admitted that private support of the Contras was all my idea to begin with end quote Reagan saw the Contras as freedom fighters and the moral equivalent of our founding fathers he saw the Sandinistas a Sylvia proxies who have turned Nicaragua into a totalitarian dungeon focusing public and media attention on the real and imaginary shortcomings of the Nicaraguan Sandinistas served to distract attention from the brutal policies the Reagan administration had supported in Guatemala El Salvador and Honduras since 1980 200,000 Central Americans have been killed 160,000 of these were not Nicaragua the wars the U.S. supported in Central America are being waged with assassination programs bombing of villages forced relocation of hundreds of thousands of peasants and the defoliation of thousands of acres using napalm and other chemicals the Reagan administration gambled that as long as the U.S. lives lives were not being lost in large numbers the U.S. public would tolerate and support this style of low intensity conflict as for Iran Reagan had condemned its leaders as the strangest collection of loony tombs and squalid criminals since the Third Reich because Ronald Reagan's supporters largely agreed with his assessment the revelations the Reagan administration had been selling weapons to Iran was a major low major blow to Reagan's personal credibility and thus marked the downfall of his popularity Ronald Reagan who's the puppet master who's the puppet master the Iran Contra trading cards 36 cards amazing history incredibly important period linking up people that are involved in Vietnam from the 1960s going all the way to the Reagan administration the Buddhist Bush administration and a lot of these players these actors were still involved in black ops in the U.S. administration all the way to the 2000s incredible incredible amazing reading amazing reading I've been dying to read these cards I'm very happy that we got these done I'll have the readings for each of these cards all 36 loaded up individually as well as having all three segments loaded up in their entirety and the full live streams are available online as we're doing these live streams within a few days and almost all of our video sharing platforms I hope you enjoyed gang I'm gonna go back to the live stream crazy turn on the chat turn on the browser now the God Ronald Reagan 1911 to 2004 was an American president a politician and actor who served as the served as the 40th president of the United States from 1981 to 1989 and then Bush Bush senior took over after that right incredible incredible our Ryan MC on censor to the sign saying the movie Argo is simply a fantastic depiction of what occurred Argo is that the one with Ben Ben Affleck if that's the case most historians would call it a piece of crap movie Ryan just to let you know because it totally deleted the Canadian embassies part in freeing the hostages okay what took place how they and their involvement in rescuing making sure a lot of the hostages a lot of the Americans were able to escape Iran without being taken hostage okay and a lot of other history and Ben Affleck can kiss my ass he sucks Lord Park great car collection great car collection seriously peeling garlic while this is a nice job gang let me give you a count that we got 16 people on the on censor to we got 24 people on twitch and we got seven people on rumble fantastic reading fantastic reading very glad we're knocking these off so this is the third set of eclipse comics political comic political readings that we've done we thought the drug war got the JFK assassin assassination out of the way and now we've got the Iran contra out of the way we'll see what else we read this more more is my take sooner rather than later is my take romance on rumble salutations chicho do you want to come to my eclipse party in southern Illinois the eclipse is going to be right over my far oh very nice but thank you for the invite Ramas thank you for the invite email me if you want okay Ramas don't share your email in chat there are too many people want the Ramas thank you very much for the invite but tell you the truth I I haven't left BC since 2002 I used to travel a lot a lot to the United States a lot to the United States is go to US two or three times at least a year from late 1980s mid-1980s all the way to early 2000s but I haven't left BC since 2002 it just I refuse to deal with border crossings and forfeit my rights and I have elderly family here that I have an obligation to make sure that they are taking care of so thank you for the invite seriously my partner's been to an eclipse festival in before a couple of them and one of them was in Chile in the Galapagos Islands no not Galapas Easter Island she went in Easter Island eclipse festival there and one day I will attend an eclipse festival eclipse party I went to other eclipse parties but not an eclipse festival I'll take some videos ascent oh awesome thank you Ramas share it on our gilded server when you do would love to see I love these types of events love it love it love it I'm assuming there's gonna be lots of music Lark Park yeah Chico I'm not a fan but at Ben Affleck he's too dull and boring he's he's pure Hollywood he's pure Hollywood and man the worst Batman in history oh Aldegon do you agree Aldegon said John point actor it gets the past for me does he I don't know brother I don't know none of these monsters do Aldegon when I come to Canada I will take Chico to the Chico over the border hilarious Aldegon says we're gonna join John point that's their has endorsed the far-right conspiracy theory that the 2022 presidential election was rigged for favor of Joe Biden and claims that the United States quote has taken a hard left turn towards socialism and a Marxist form of tyrannical government and quote here's the kicker right he's not wrong as far as I'm concerned but the problem that does happen is because of the shit I can shit show that point Dexter and all those clowns created all over the world right I doubt it because they swine swung the pendulum so far so far towards just in complete annihilation of anything resembling democracy in many countries they conducted coups assassinations arming fanatics and stuff like this they did so much of this that the pendulum has swung so far to the left that they're rolling in exactly what they were trying to fight against which is communism fascism so it's because of pieces of shit like point Dexter that there's so much chaos in the world right yeah and I agree with Ryan it's about totalitarianism that's the way I see it not about right and left really lark bark been Africa's the worst Batman in history he makes George Clooney Batman look like a Marilyn Brando performance that's what Ben's policies politics are quite erroneous too yeah 100% dancing visual salutations salutations love the pot plant I'm trying to remember the name of it which pot plant I forget and it was who was the one that came here someone showed up the said long time dancing rituals mom the something mom where is the name where is the name hot mom salutations I fear still on twitch I saw your message but I wasn't going to interrupt the reading it seems to be preserving well we'll see who talk for us a point that says knows what he's talking about still the deep state deeps deep states deep state seems to be preserving indeed still creating chaos oh this plant it's not a pot plant though oh but you like the pot plant this the plant pot the plant pot don't smoke this not good for you not good for you that's a nickname you don't hear every day truth of it he knows the truth of it yeah yeah but you have to be you have to have your head shoved up someone's rear end not to rear realize that the 2020 elections were a shenanigans is crazy right gang let's call the stream let's call the stream thank you very much for being here just uh just to give you guys a lot of heads up no stream next weekend okay we're gonna take a one-week break no stream next weekend lark park i'm glad i made you laugh chichu for sure man just imagine marlo brando doing batman like just imagine he did something like streetcar name desire on batman like wow that would be a batman that would be an amazing batman right and as far as i'm concerned i don't think we've seen the best batman performance yet i think there's still someone to come to do a batman that will live forever really that's my take i only got trump must endorse to free assange for election votes yeah maybe he's not doing it because he knows the cia will take him out that we more push to assassinate him right um he's almost guaranteed to win if he doesn't get assassinated or if there's no shenanigans and maybe the first day he gets in on his inauguration he'll go free assange pardon snowden right if he does that full on right talks nice catching your life have a good one you as well batman dancing a bit joe i like robert paterson i'm vengeance yeah it was not bad but i think the best is still yet to come marlon brando definitely would have an offbeat performance as batman crazy gang thank you very much for being here i hope you enjoyed the reading uh if you want to follow this work while patreon substack subscribe sorry you can follow work there we have a gilded server you're definitely welcome to join our silver server uh we're live streaming on twitch we're live streaming on censor tube and we're live streaming on rumble and at some point butchute and odyssey will kick in as well for some live streams we're uploading the audio soundcloud.com forward slash chicho as a podcast and you 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My jumping off point, people ask me that a lot is like when should you jump off? And it's like when you should jump off is when you're at a point in your career where reclaiming your 40 hours a week would add more value than whatever you have on the job side. So when I hear that from you, a good way I summarize that is, so it's not just, hey, I'm making enough money to live off of, is I'm making enough money to live off of and reinvest back in it. Otherwise, I won't be able to grow. What's up? What's up? What's up? It's Brandon. Hey man, Sean. I'm Kory. And we are back with another episode of No Labels Necessary Podcast here at the intersection of creativity and currency. We have a very special guest with us today, an artist by the name of Nate Rose. It's me. What's good? What's up? What's good? What's good, man? Appreciate you having me, bro. I'm a man. I'm glad to have you, man. Really appreciate you pulling up, you know, in the middle of your writers camp that you were attending. Yes, for no big deal. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was supposed to be there, but... But I think there's going to be a valuable conversation in general, man, insightful for the artists watching, inspirational for other people watching, because you got a story just the time we've been talking, you know, working a regular job, entrepreneurship, music, and you're all in right now. Yep. All right. That's the dream for so many artists. Just getting to where you are right now. I know you want more success for yourself, but that's the dream. And actually, that was how I discovered you, by the way. So it was a comment section. And see people I wrote, I scrolled through comments and I pay attention to people who like say stuff with like coherent thoughts. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not just saying crazy stuff. And a lot of artists disagreed with something. I think it was in reference to streaming.  Right. So it's like, that's the alternative for a lot of people complaining about streaming right now. Maybe it's not perfect, but you saying, hey, look, I'm at a point where I'm living my career off of music just from streaming. I was like, let me check this guy out. And, you know, it's okay. These streams probably aren't fake because it's like, he can actually rap like I'm good. Then I'm going down to rabbit hole, listen to the bars. Let's go. And that's how I got to you. And then I was like, man, let me just do it up, bro, because he's pretty hard. All right. So that's how I discovered you. And I think that's a good place to start before we get into how you got out of the stream, out of your regular career, into living off of your streams and everything. What were you doing? Well, I've been making music since I was 15. Okay. You know, before that, I did a little bit of video stuff just messing around. But I quickly fell in love with it. I was like, man, I want to do this. And so even in high school, I was spent my weekends, you know, traveling to neighboring malls and handing out business cards and trying to get people to listen to the music. And at that time, it was, it was download my mixtape off of live mixtapes or that piff, you know, and then that evolved into SoundCloud and whatever. But I ended up going to college for music business at MTSU and graduated from there. And then I still wasn't able to do music full time, though I had found a little bit of a success in the live space while I was in college. I moved back to Cleveland, Tennessee, where I grew up and got a job as a social media director at a finance company. And then moved from there back to Nashville. I became a digital marketer at a tech insurance company called Asurion. And that was on a contract basis. And by the time the contract was up, I had scaled my music business to where I was like, okay, let me dedicate these 40 hours that I've been giving to, to this company to my own, my own brand. So wait, wait, so timeline out from job to the point where you say, okay, now I'm comfortable enough, scale to the point to where I can comfortably walk away from this. How much time was that?  So I mean, the time that elapsed from the time I started taking music seriously was about eight years, eight to nine years where I started making good money, or livable money. Okay.  So yeah, I'm 29 now. So yeah, yeah, basically eight years to go full time. What steps did you take to get there?  I haven't really had a viral moment. In fact, I've only been on a few Spotify editorials, like I didn't, you know, I'm recently coming into more industry connections, but I've kind of always been a DIYer. You know, fortunately, I have learned the skills that have allowed me to create content, or, you know, market my own music and stuff over time. As far as specifically what I did, there's a lot of different eras where, you know, there's a goldmine and then it either becomes oversaturated or the platform disappears or whatever. So there's been a lot of different stages. There was a time where in high school, there was an anonymous question site called ask.fm.  So it's kind of spammy, but roll with it. So basically, on ask.fm, I found out that a lot of people on Twitter had their Twitter synced to the ask.fm. So whenever they answered a question, it would post a tweet automatically. So I'm like, okay, cool. So I started basically searching ask.fm in the Twitter search bar. And I downloaded this Google extension called link clump. And I basically could open up, draw a square and open up all the links that had ask.fm in it. So it opened up a bunch of tabs, right? And then I would go through and I would just drop like, Hey, my friend, you know, saying my friends got a song that I would love for you to check out or whatever. And then when they would respond to it and get posted to their Twitter. So when I did that initially, I had a song in high school called 100 bars of holy water, which is super old, but it actually got picked up by like hip hop DX and stuff when I was in high school, because of because of like some of the momentum that was gaining as a result of doing that. I don't recommend the spam tactic, but you know, I was green.  You're trying to turn people away after you benefit. Yeah. Did that early, that little bit of early success give you like the encouragement, even though it didn't maybe move as fast, you probably thought it was after that moment.  It did, man. I feel like I didn't really need much encouragement because I felt like it was just, it was my passion. Like, so for me, it was always like, I'm going to make it. It's just a matter of like continuing to keep my head down and just do the thing. Like, it's just what I like to do. I loved making music and the marketing part of it was like a tangible progress. You know, if I had data to look at or whatever, that was how I was able to judge whether or not I was moving in the correct direction.  What did that look like? Like, especially, you know, of course we can't go through all of it, but if we fast forward to, you know, let's say Spotify is around and that's the main platform, social media starts to become a lot more of the space to go to for music. That era enter. What was what strategy have you been using? Well, initially, I was a little bit late to Spotify later than I would have liked. I think I'd been much bigger, you know, hindsight's 2020. But the reason for that is I had, I was really heavily focused on SoundCloud a lot of times in college because they had the repost feature. And so I was like, okay, cool. Like if I can, if I'm able to, you know, build a strategy around reposting, then I get to that's that's easy organic eyeballs. But then my friend Mowgli the iceberg, he was a college friend of mine. He's an artist. And he said, he was like, yo, like I'm making like a couple hundred bucks a month off of Spotify. And I was like, yo, really? So I had distributed my music on there. And it was just there. I didn't even have Spotify or whatever. But the two songs that I put up there had like 70 80,000 streams just without even ever plugging it. This was early. So this is when this is in that area where like Russ was releasing a song a week. So there was so much more organic potential at that moment. But then I rebranded and started to have started to build it up from there. So off of his advice, I started focusing on Spotify, then I started seeing some money from it. And so I started building strategies around that. So yeah, it was I think that was that was like 2016 was when I had my rebrand and started really focusing on Spotify. Yeah, that was that was the timeline there. So what did rebrand look like for you? And what does it like as an artist? Yeah, even get to that decision to say like, I need to rebrand. Oh, it was it was tough. But I my high school rap name all the way up until that point, it was was illuminate. You know, my name's Nate, but it was, you know, it was like, yeah, right. And I was like, first off, it was some people for whatever reason couldn't spell it to when you would search me in the SEO, you know, it would be like a Luminati rapper, you know, I'm saying that I was still building traction. But I got that big man, he was like, they hiding it in plain sight now. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, 100%. So for me, it was it was a combination of things that that made it to where I'm like, man, I really need to shift this this direction. And so, you know, I went with Nate Rose. And then that it was out of necessity because I kept running into these issues where people couldn't find me. Is this you? Is that you? There was another rapper name and illuminate that like was competing for that space, even though I was a lot bigger than him.  I guess I mean, that's winning. I mean, I'm on the podcast. Should have took his own advice. Oh, man. No shade. No shade. So okay, you get to rebrand to just straighten eight rows immediately. Yep. Yep. Okay. Why Nate Rose? Nate Rose, you know, it was my first name. It was short and sweet. It was four four letters a piece of visually. It worked well whether this is like just nerdy graphic design stuff or whether yeah, exactly whether it was side by side or on top of each other, it would be four letters, you know, could fit in a variety of different ways. It was easy to say easy to spell all my URLs are the same. So Nate Rose music was available on all platforms. Yeah. And I thought it had like a nice kind of classy punchy sound to it. So that's why I ended up going with it. Oh, no. So was it just a matter of updating all your platforms or was there like a fan base that you like had to migrate over or did you just like literally just say I'm gonna start over? I didn't know I did have a fan base to migrate over and luckily, you know, a lot of people were were hip to it. So I had a little bit of help initially, but then also I was moving platforms, you know, coming from SoundCloud to Spotify and those, you know, people are gonna listen where they want to listen where they feel comfortable listening like I'm not moving people to a new app. I can do that for, you know, the top 1% bottom funnel people, but that's that's it. So yeah, I did have to kind of rebuild, but when I, you know, based on how Spotify would do the auto follow off the presaves, I started getting really into just gaining followers because Spotify is really transparent about, you know, how to get in the release radar playlist. So, you know, I know exactly when, you know, first first day, first week, what my baseline streams are going to get, even if I don't post it on socials. And so, okay, that's because why for people? Yeah, yeah. So I mean, if you if you submit your music on Spotify for artists a week or more in advance, then you guarantee that the song gets in the rotation of all of your followers release radar playlist. So it's basically guaranteed algorithmic playlist placements. And that was that was one of the predictable things. So I always want to go where there was like a way for me to actually analyze whether or not what I'm doing is working and not just, you know, shooting shots in the dark, but going, okay, here's something tactile, this is not can build a strategy around this. So knowing that the followers were there, I'm like, okay, if I have 400 followers, and let's say 10% of the people are listening on release radar, you know what I'm saying? Cool, I have I have 40 streams first day. Okay, what happens if that that becomes 40,000? You know, 40,000 followers like, okay, now I'm starting to see a pattern that even if the other marketing channels are falling apart, I still have I still have this like baseline and then then it's just a matter of output and demand and things like that. So I focus heavily on building those up and then also presaves for, you know, for spiking the Discover Weekly algorithm. So those were like two organic strategies on Spotify. I was also early on pretty got pretty big into to seeking out playlists. And so I would do, you know, I tried my best to stay away from like, you know, body type playlists, but I'm sure some of them landed in that space. I don't do any of that anymore. But, but what I did do is I searched all my favorite artists that I that I feel like were upcoming the artists that were in that space and I would go down to discovered on playlist and I'd expand that and I would look at all the different playlists that they were on, knowing that they weren't added there just because they were a mainstream artist, knowing that these taste makers were adding them because they were also hip to stuff. And, you know, I would I would click and try to find their bios and made spreadsheet, you know what I'm saying? And reaching out to as many people as possible, trying to get placements. So I did actually get in, I had a song where I was rapping fast, and I got like a fastest rappers playlist. This was like the first thing the first thing that I ever did like 2017. That was when I first started to get any traction on Spotify. I started doing a thousand streams a day off of just this playlist at that time because it was just in between Tech Nine and Yellow Wolf and whatever and like all these different people. So let me take a quick second to say if you're looking for a music distributor that cares about educating their artists so they can get in a better position, you should check out Two Loss because every single Monday they have office hours where they bring on dope people in the industry to hop on calls, give artists insights on the future of the music industry and answer some of the questions they have going on in their personal careers. So if you aren't a user of Two Loss or just want to have a little bit more information about them, go to Two Loss on Instagram. That's T-O-O-L-O-S-T Two Loss on Instagram and it'll take you to everything you need to see, inform you about the sessions and more. Back to this episode. The things that you said man, in terms of just thinking out your strategy, and I love the fact that you said that you like to focus on something predictable because people miss that part of Spotify so much. The followers, the pre-saves, I hear people talk about against pre-saves and things like that, but it's because they're not thinking long term. It's like well pre-saves not going to make me go viral, right? Or a couple of other things they'll say against them. But if you're using it for the right reason and understand the expectation that you're supposed to have from it, doing what you did over time, nothing is a guarantee, right? But at least pretty much, highly increases the chance of progress and if not even eventual virality versus I'm doing all these short-term strategies that might make me go crazy in like a week, but probably not. Now I'm a year later and I'm still probably at ground zero, maybe level one and you've slowly crept up to level five being your baseline by the end of the year, just by doing something simple. So where do you get that mentality? Where do I get that mentality, man? I don't know, you know, perhaps. Discipline to be able to see that through. I feel like I've always been kind of an entrepreneur at heart. Like if I really look back at it, like I was like eight years old, seven years old, going to my neighbor's house, knocking on their doors, asking if there was anything I could do to make a little bread, you know? Or like I tried to start a skate team and got t-shirts made and stuff when I was in sixth grade. So I kind of always had that in me. I don't know where that came from. Shout out God, I guess. But I mean, I would say maybe I could attribute some of it to my dad who just kind of showed me the value of hard work. We had a pretty turbulent relationship and he passed this past September, but that is one thing that I really do give him credit for is like I used to play basketball and I mean, I was, you know, he would come and we would do extra workouts on the back end, you know, I would get into lessons or whatever with different people that he would find in. He was basically showing me that like, yo, you're going to have to be, every one of the people on your team is going to the same practices that you're going to. So you're going to get better at the same rate. Now your natural talent might take you a little bit further, but like, you're going to the same practices, you have the same amount of inputs. So if you want to progress beyond that point, you have to do the extra. And so, you know, those types of things I think might have stuck with me in some real way because I did see the effect of how much better I was getting in relation to my teammates in that same span of time. But yeah, outside of that, man, I don't know. I think it was just my, I just wanted to make music my full time thing. It was what I love to do. I was like, I want to do this forever and I want to do nothing else. You know, I don't want to work these odds and end jobs. And yeah, man, I was like, this is just necessary. Like if I want to do this, I'm only relying on myself. Oh, here's another quick anecdote. I was in a few different bands when I started out making music. And I was like, real serious about like, we got to get photo shoots done, we got to make songs, we got to do this. And, you know, we'd have band practice once a week. Well, you know, one week, you know, the guitar player wouldn't show up. Okay, well, we can't write songs now. And it over time, you know, these bands broke up in it. And I was just like, man, I'm pouring all this effort into something that I don't have control over.  It'll be only on that front. So So I hear all that. But I also feel like the fact that you worked the jobs that you worked gave you an advantage against a lot of other indie artists. Because when I think about a lot of the indie artists that I see having a certain level of success, when they have a little bit more like, you know, maturity in them, because they've made some age on them, which mean they had time to work regular jobs, like the Russell, when we were talking with him, he worked at, I think it was like an aerospace company and somewhere on like, I don't know, management or something like that, or admin side. And just quite a few other people had like experiences. And I think a lot of times, in this era where you become your label, you become your first investment for your career, people will also discount the actual skill set that you can get in the process of getting that money from a regular job. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the actual revenue from the from the job, you know, so in a period of space where ads were really going before Apple reduced the amount of data that we could collect, you know, or through Facebook, there was a period of time where I was like crushing it with conversions on, you know, story posts and things like that. And during that time, I was just funneling money from my other job, any expendable income that I had, I was just putting it into the music career. And I mean, I was a digital marketer. So, you know, I was, I knew how to build marketing funnels and, and, and, you know, A-B test creative and do, you know, do lookalike audiences and custom audiences. And, you know, and I had, I had marketing strategies digitally for, for all the different levels of the funnel. So, so I would, I would, I would remarket certain things or even content that was specific to my, my bottom funnel fans. I had that going simultaneously while I was gating in new people and the people that watched it for, you know, 75% of the time or whatever, I would then retarget with a second video, same song, different setup. So I was doing stuff like that for, for a period of time. And that was really helpful. And, and, you know, any downtime, I had to work honestly, like it was, you know, I could just run the ads and do the ad stuff while I was at work. But yeah, I think that's another, another thing though is like, I probably spent $20,000 over time on social media ads, maybe more during that, that span. And having a consistent job helps relieve some of the stress. It does. It does. Because, because if I would have tried to go too early, then I would have been, first off, it would have felt a lot more like a job. And secondly, I wouldn't have expendable income to do the things necessary in order to move my career forward. So my jumping off point, people ask me that a lot is like, when, when should you jump off? And it's like, when you should jump off is when you have enough revenue coming in that reclaiming your, or you're at a point in your career where reclaiming your 40 hours a week would add more value than whatever you have on, on the, on the job side. So When I hear that from you, a good way I summarize that is, so it's not just, hey, I'm making enough money to live off of, is I'm making enough money to live off of and reinvest back in it. Otherwise, I won't be able to grow. Yeah. Yeah.  Like, at my job, I think I was making 52 a year. This was in like 2019. And I had ramped up for making 30 K a year off of music to 50 K, you're off music by the time I left. So there was a period in a time though, in that window where I'm making 102 grand a year, you know what I'm saying? At 24 or 25. And I'm like, now I have tons of expendable income. Now I can take just all that 50 K, I can live off of this and I can take all that 50 K and reinvest and it speeds the process up. So if you have, if you have more of that flexibility, then though, when you leave the job, now you're back down to not having that same level. So it's like the longer you stay, the faster and faster you can ramp things up. I can outsource my mixes now. Cool. Now, now like my workflow has improved so much more, my output is better. I can stick to just creating without getting bogged down in some of those things. And so those are some of the type of decisions that I was looking at. But at some point it made sense because I'm like, oh, if I had 40 more hours a week, I could make, I could do all of this with it that would, that would speed it up even more than the bread.  Okay. So one, why are you indie? And why do you seem so adamant about staying indie? And then I'm gonna get into my second part of it. Yeah. I mean, I'm really passionate about this. I'm not anti-label, I'll say that, but I don't think any label offer that's come my way has been silly. And it's because they're not used to talking to people that have a business perspective on it. And quite frankly, the more that I interact with those people, the more often I get those kind of deals that just pisses me off because I know that artists are being put in that situation. Now, if you're an artist who doesn't have that, then maybe that does make sense for you because you might need someone to pick up the slack. So maybe that's more of a partnership. But for them, they're looking at catalog buyouts or something like that with no interest in building a real partnership or a relationship. They just want to give me bread up front to capitalize on what I've built. But the reason I'm really passionate about this is because we're at a point where creativity is being and having a creative job is being more and more democratized, which is awesome. I know I'm on the same platform as Drake's on. So if you're on there, all I gotta do is just convince you to listen to my music. But in the old music business, I have to rely on gatekeepers to get into a label to have the distribution to have my CD and Walmart. And it's like, okay, so now I'm just relying on other people. But the reason I say independent is because you signed to a label today and they're going to be like, we need a bunch of TikTok videos for this.  You create solid content and you have a videography company or video production company. Media company. There we go. I'm not offended. So you could do the craziness on TikTok if you wanted to. You have the skill set and even the resources at this point. But you choose not to, which is another part of label deals. It's also a personality aspect of it, like finding a deal that allows you to move in the way you need to move creatively. And you've, the way you were talking earlier, I told you this. Indie artists, I was surprised because the way you were talking about like a writer's camp that you were going to have for your album, right? And then the people you mentioned were like some pretty credible people that you just collected to now be at your writer's camp. There's not a lot of indie artists who are doing it by themselves. Do you have management or anything like that? No management. And you're up there talking about, yeah, I'm about to have a writer's camp for my album. Where does all that come from? Like the, what specifically? How did you even learn that flow, right? For yourself or even how to gather a writer's camp for yourself? I mean, honestly, the writing camp concept for me was relatively new, man, until I had an album called Pie at the Party. And that was the first time I ever did it. And that was back in 2021. I used to produce, mix, master, do my own single covers, do everything. Like start to finish was all me, nobody else. And at some point I had this kind of realization, this went in tandem with how I was feeling. I had just gone full time. I spent seven months full time. And it really felt like a job. I was, I was like, I started to feel like I was losing the passion for music because it was like every, you know, every two weeks I got, oh, I got to hurry up and finish this mix so I can get this song scheduled so I can do this, I can do that. And I had a realization where like, I'm like, I had a song called No Stuff, which talks about this in that moment. But it was, it was like, well, I have what I wanted. I got the thing. I'm doing music full time. Why am I like feeling totally unfulfilled and drained? And I had a change of heart where it's like, okay, perhaps it's my ego that's preventing me in this because I am saying everything, I have to do everything. I have to have control over everything. Maybe that's also what is preventing me from reaching another level of success, which is reaching out to people that have skill sets that are different than mine or more specialized or better just in general.  So I was real hesitant and not trusting of anybody. And so I didn't want to give percentages because then I can't maneuver with this way or I can't do that. And I think ultimately I was like, well, you know, I want, it was, it was, that was a big moment for me where as a shift from like the, the business being in the forefront to the art being at the forefront. And I think I've been just so happy ever since then. You know, just because I feel like I'm living fully in alignment with where I'm trying to go and all aspects of my life. And like that's, I feel like that's an ideal place. What's required to put on a writer's camp for your own album? And then how do you convince people to show up? Yeah. Well, what's required is that there's pie at the party, which is you got to, you got to split some people off.  I do my camps a little bit differently. I want to make sure that, that the people that are coming have a great experience. So I cover all expenses. I go, look, we're just going to tap in. I cover flights.  I want to be able to have a chef. You don't have to worry about meals. You don't have to worry about flights. You don't have to worry about any expense. We're going to make music. And then everybody's going to get back in on every song we create from there. And so that's sort of the proposition. And then then you can look at, I guess, my music and the platform that I built and you go, you can, you know, figure out whether or not that would be worth it for you to do. I think producers are on the same kind of grind that artists are on. So they're, you know, they're like, okay, well, I mean, I go out here for a week and I make some music and perhaps some of them blow up and I got, I've added to the floor of back end money that I get. Let's do it. That's dope, man. Yeah. Just thinking about that, like the mentality to make that investment as an artist, like is, is, is rarer than we want it to be. But obviously, that's a part of why we do what we do, putting out the information we're, we do having you on the conversation we're about to have right after you. It's just like trying to like click an artist to be able to see their business that way to continue to invest in something like that. That's not even like I'm investing in my marketing. That's investing in the relationships and the structure in it. And that's, I don't know, man. I love like everything you broke down just from that. And I hope that helps somebody. Can I throw this out there real quick too? As far as I'm giving specific numbers just to give context, but I do want to say that I spent a long time not having any bread to do anything. You know, there was a period of time where I spent all my bread for an EP on a feature for $750 and the guy just never gave me the feature. King Los. Yeah, dude. So like when you, if you hear like 15,000 for a camp or something like that, if you're in that position, just know that like I went through every stage of this. I went through every stage from having no money selling CDs to eat lunch, like period in college.  Like I did, I mean, the first time I got a $1,000 check from a, from a frat show, it was like eight years into making music. And I just broke down crying as soon as I saw it because it was, it was just all this bottled up. Like I was just head down and I didn't really realize like that was, that was a little bit of validation after eight years of doing it every day. But, but you know, that, that's the type of journey that you need to do in order to get there. And you know, I tell artists a lot of times like when, when they ask me for general advice, like, I'm like, man, if you want to just make music, like treat it like a passion, because if you're not willing to put in a decade worth of everyday work and potentially not make it, you know what I'm saying, but put in a decade of everyday work and spend your own bread and, and, you know, make all sorts of sacrifices. If you're not willing to do that, that is perfectly okay. Just make music for fun and let it be that, you know what I'm saying? Let it be that, because then it can just be pure.  You can just work your job and you make money and, or make music on the side and you can still release it. But anyway, I don't want anybody to be discouraged about the figures or the timeline or whatever. Like I feel like if at any point in my career, you could see, you could see yourself and your journey in that. So the last topic I want to touch on real quick is your song level up. You were breaking down just a meeting behind it. Can you go through that again? Yeah. So I wrote this record about, you know, I had found some success and the people around me were dealing with very difficult things and it made me feel uncomfortable. You know, the alt title for level up is survivor's guilt. And so in the first verse, I'm talking about issues that are going on in my family. My dad got diagnosed with cancer. My mom's, my stepdad just left my mom after a decade of marriage just up and out of nowhere. And so she came and lived at my house and, you know, just different things. You know, I talk about my cousin died at 17. And then his dad killed himself on Easter. And so it's like all these things that are going on around me. And I'm, I'm like winning. You know what I mean? I have, I've got a, I've got a beautiful wife. I've got like a great house and like I'm doing, making music for a living and all these things. And I was just feeling like, man, I don't, you know, I don't know how that's supposed to make me feel. So the second verse is, I, the opening line is they say money corrupt everything. I wonder if it's true. So I had to get a bunch of it to see what it could do. And basically I'm asking myself the question, am I becoming a worse person as a result of having more success? Like is this guilt basically justified? And, and so, but throughout that second section, I realized that no, like my character development happened alongside getting more money.   Now I'm just feeling convicted. And then now the third verse, I'm talking about friends. I got friends.  So it's really just kind of a question of what is my, what is my place in finding success while other things are going on around me? And I think ultimately this will end up probably on the writing camp, but I plan on making a response to that song, a song that's a reference to another song with the same violin motif in it, but a different beat entirely that, that addresses that answer. Because I think I have the answer, which is that the price of privilege is service to others. And so now I mean, I'm heavily focused at this stage in my life on how I can pour into other people, how I can be the best husband I can be, how I can be the best, you know, friend that I can be to my friend group, how can I be the best leader for my employees? How can I be the best?  What can I be doing as a human being to pour into all these other people? And, you know, whether it's advice, whether it's like just being there to help them, you know, change a tire or pick them up for something or anything like that, like, how can I pour into these people and help elevate that based on the lessons and the comfortability and the peace and the stability that I have gained. So that's more or less what it is. Love a lot. That was perfect. I don't even have any follow-up for that, man. That's beautiful, man. Well, look, we appreciate having you and we're definitely going to have to have you again. I'm with it. I'm with it. You just let me know. Say the word. Well, everybody, this is yet another episode of No Labels Necessary Podcast. I'm Brandon Shawn. You know, I'm Colbert. And I'm Nate Rose. And we don't forget No Labels Necessary for real. Yeah. Appreciate you for watching. 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