So can you please explain the viewers the division and the reasoning between Justice Lalit, Justice Nariman and Justice Kurian? Because the reasoning, it was a very divided courtroom that day. The division is very, very strong. It's very pronounced. I've already told you what Justice Nariman and Justice Lalit have said. Let me tell you what Justice Kehar and Justice Nazir say. They say the exact opposite. They say that notwithstanding the fact that the Sharia Application Act of 1929 is there yet personal law is personal law and protected by Article 25 of the Constitution of India. What is totally unacceptable about this judgment is that they step ahead and they say that although the Muslim Personal Law Board argues that Triple Tilak is sinful, yet we will protect it under Article 25. So this boggles the imagination. Now we also know that the right to religion is subject to public order, health and morality. And the other shocking thing about their judgment is they say that there is no violation of public order, there's no violation of health and there's no violation of morality. If Triple Tilak is not immoral in the constitutional sense, then I don't know what is immoral and I'm doubtful that their judgment will stand the test of history. The government indicated that they will come out with a legislation on the issue. What are your views on that? What is the way forward? Let me put the facts in order. It was the attorney general who made a statement in court that if this court strikes down all forms of Tilak, we will introduce a law. Now my argument in court all along was Triple Tilak is unconstitutional because it is unilateral and no person can be unilaterally divorced by their husband. Simple as that. The second argument I made is we do not recognize extrajudicial divorces. Any extrajudicial divorce is unconstitutional. My status as a wife cannot be destroyed by somebody else. It has to go through a judicial process. The third argument I made was that we do not in this country recognize sharia courts because we are a secular country and it is no answer for the Muslim personal law board to say we will set up Darul Khazaz. Darul Khazaz are unconstitutional because we are a secular nation. If we wanted Darul Khazaz we could have set up sharia courts like you have in Pakistan and Bangladesh. They are an Islamic republic. We are not a Hindu republic and therefore every divorce has to go through the regular court system. So if you ask me whether there is a need for a law my answer to that would be all the three forms of divorce in Muslim law are unilateral. The only difference between talak and the other two talaks is the other through the process of reconciliation. But what if there is no reconciliation? The husband still has the right to pronounce unilateral talak and therefore all three forms are completely unconstitutional. So my answer to that would be you need a gender neutral law for divorce which will apply equally to men and women. You already have a law which applies to Muslim women. They can get a divorce by going through a regular civil court on grounds of cruelty, on grounds of desertion, on various other grounds. Now if a Muslim woman has to go to court to get a divorce I see no reason why a Muslim man also should not use the same channel. And please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to suggest that the process of divorce should be made cumbersome. But what I am saying is no person has a right to alter my status which means my civil rights, which means my right to reside in my matrimonial home, my right to maintenance, my right to comfort, my right to access to the children, my right to access to the collective resources cannot be unilaterally taken away without due process of law. So I feel there is a need for a law on divorce for Muslims which is gender neutral. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Ms. Jessing for the time.


Meet the team. We're renting a suite. This is the master bedroom. It's balcony out here We are staying right in the veiled village Which is super nice So let's pick an outfit So here are some options this trip. I am working with Goldberg, which is a really cool brand this whole outfit is Goldberg so I was thinking Maybe I would Matt like full ski bunny vibes, and there's a matching What do you think? Fire okay cool. Oh, there's also matching gloves like if I want to really get into it Okay, so I think we're gonna eat a little bit and then I'm gonna get suited up. Okay, so No, it's fine. Okay, okay, we're gonna show the bunk room So Amanda is asleep in here, and then this is the bunk room. Maybe we'll close this The bunk room is really cute though really cute Okay, now I'm gonna eat the rest of my breakfast burrito That sweet Devon got for me this morning. Oh, also I have french toast sticks in the oven Yeah Just for fun So some of you might know this some of you might not I feel like most people know this by now, but skiing used to be My whole life learned how to ski when I was three and then was racing my whole life went to a ski racing academy And my whole identity my whole life was being a skier. This trip is really cool for me and me being able to share This part of my life, which is not a big part of my life anymore is really cool and exciting So I'm really stoked for this vlog today and to share this part of my life with you guys So this is my outfit from Goldberg today No, he's old booted up boy ladies and gentlemen Snowboarding this is my second time so many of my wife outs last year like Any last words No, no last words Need a drink Not even gonna make it to the mountain Nice and straight nice and balanced. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. I'm a little nervous for sure I love that What's the game That's immediate. No rule number one zip up your jacket. No capes allowed Don't run your first run Great Tom's killing it. This snow is actually super good Hi vlog we just had a really long fun day of skiing now. We are heading to Kimo's Sabi, which is a really Cool store. They have one in Aspen and Vail Maybe Park City has some really cool cowboy hats that you can customize and then there's a really cool bar Just a really cool shop and then we are going out to dinner in a big group So I'm just wearing this house of studios Turtle neck and page jeans. We're all pretty tired from skiing but I'm just so happy to be here with all of my Best friends. So these are the boots I'm wearing They are from Reformation. I'm pretty sure. Yeah Reformation They were on pre-order and then I finally got them. I think they're so pretty Wearing skinny jeans and boots. Let me show you guys Do you have fun today? I did So tired. Yeah, we're all really tired altitude webs me. Yeah, the altitude is crazy here East coast for a boy This was Tommy's second time snowboarding ever. I only wiped out two times. It's pretty good. One of them was pretty bad It was? Yeah Pretty good clean wipeout. You didn't tell me. Yeah, it was tumble Other than that, I mean I went down the mountain like twice without any wipeouts Morning vlog Tommy and I are about to go run out and get a copy before breakfast We had a bit of a late night last night. I got pretty drunk Tommy. Did you get drunk? Yeah, but it wasn't that way. It felt like it was like 10 30. Wait, seriously? Wait, it's probably why I feel like okay We went to Kimo Sabi and all got hats and They like closed down the store and we were drinking and it was just super super fun And then I guess we went to bed on the earlier side. We went to dinner. I didn't vlog at dinner. Sorry and then We woke up pretty early today. I just got ready and We're doing like a slower morning this morning. We're not like rushing up to the hill To ski but we are going to ski today, but first we're gonna like go get breakfast and a copy And yeah Tommy has never ski before and I am gonna try to get up to ski today Okay, so I am going to be wearing a different scale for today So I think I'm gonna wear this white one. I'll show you guys So this is their classic black like full ski suit Like very classic and then this is a new collection by them. They collaborated with this brand My Teresa, this is like a very high-end designer brand. I know they make really cute shoes It's really really fun and pretty. It's just not like the most me This is the one that they really wanted me to post in. It's hard to get on Let me show you guys. Okay. It's actually kind of fun Okay Like this is really cool It's just like I Feel like this is like an apprey ski outfit like I can't really like imagine me Actually skiing in it It's really fun though Okay, let me see how it looks with my helmet It's a nice part that I think about having a black helmet I feel like it always looks good Yeah, it's actually really cute.  So we'll be seeing more Vlog we had a kind of late start today To like skiing and everything we usually get out there pretty early. So I Just laid down for like a few hours and got some Instagram content up from the day And now I'm just getting ready for dinner I wanted to show you guys how I've been doing my hair But this isn't a tutorial because the top of my hair looks fucking insane From my helmet and just like but I want to style the ends So this isn't probably that helpful slash not really a tutorial, but I thought while I was doing it I would show you guys how I've been doing like My blowouts I never really figured out how to use my Dyson like I just It was really hard for me to figure out even though I looked up tutorials and everything But I finally figured it out on my own I think just like using it the more you use it the more you know how to Use it, but some of you guys might have noticed I like my hair with like a big Bend at the end. I don't love like a big curl sometimes they do but like my every day I don't so I figured out how to do it You have to like catch a big chunk of it and then take it out from the end and like Just hold it right there like a lot of it Like instead of just doing the ends take it up You see how it creates this like big bouncy end It's easy to touch up like throughout the day if you're Like back at your house or if you want to like do a day-to-night sort of thing I have to finish it and brush it out. Oh Anyways, I was headband. Thank you. Yeah, you like it. I feel like this is kind of like It's just like a cute sort of eye It's like a volumist curl at the end. I don't know what you call it, but I just really like it So that's literally all it took. Okay. This back piece is not done Oh Take it so I used to just do like the ends like just the end and Now that I do like a whole thing It's so much cuter and more voluminous The section is like totally straight Okay, that's good enough I just spray some fine mist high quality hairspray like a finishing hairspray And I like spray it and I kind of like hold it Up and then I let this sit and then I'll actually brush it all out. So right now it looks kind of like a little crunchy so Give that a second to like dry and sit and then I brush all of it out. It's like fluffy pretty Blown out hair. You're going to get Mexican food tonight, and I'm so excited the last time I went to this restaurant I was a little bit drunk I remember it being the best queso that I've ever had hands down like Tommy and I talk about it like a few times a month Because of how good this queso was we had like four orders of it And I haven't had this good of queso since They do have really good Mexican food in Colorado in general Okay, see these sides see the side difference. This is like fluffy and pretty and like all together So, yeah My sweaters from jaker really just sent me a PR package. I absolutely adore it Jaker is making a full comeback, and I love it. I'm gonna like put on some Lip products another thing that you guys have been asking me a lot is like my new lip combo I use the color anywhere caffeine By makeup proper. It's really good. I just like line my lips With that and then I'm just gonna use the benetint like that really light pink pink lemonade Over I just always come back to the benetint. It's just the best. That's all I'm doing Right now my skin feels super dry because we're at such a altitude, but it's okay Devon wearing cold dairy boy By the way the queso was as good as I remember it was the queso good. Yeah Good morning vlog sort of got ready for the day I put on a lip tint and some tinted moisturizer my lip tint really tinted my lips today Looks so pink Also guys little teaser. I'm wearing my dairy boy holiday PJ set. It's the coziest set ever It's literally like the perfect fit, but anyways, it's like 8 30.  I'm getting a little bit bored I'm skiing on just like two trails. So I thought I would Snowboard today. I'm obviously not as good at snowboarding, but it is fun Now the conditions fair a little bit sketchy, but it's okay. We're gonna have a good attitude Shocking hey guys, I have a secret Just a smidge Day three yes, sir


What is up everyone? We are back with another old box opening, Yu-Gi-Oh GX is back at it. We have Enemy of Justice, first edition hobby box. So this should be a pretty fun opening, should be pretty crazy, maybe we can finally find that car that I've never been able to pull. Maybe it could happen, I don't know. We'll have to see, we'll have to find out how you guys been doing. What's up guys? Good to see the YouTube stream, it's been a little bit since we've done a YouTube stream. Good to see everybody from Twitch over here. What's up Twitch viewers, how you guys doing? Make sure to hit that like button as you're entering the YouTube stream to give us a little luck as we're going. What's up Garrett, how you doing? I'm doing good JW. What have you guys been up to? They said he'd be late, look who's laughing now, true I'm not late, I'm on time. Case? No, no, no, I wish, I don't know if those even, I'm sure they exist somewhere, but they're probably pretty rare. What's up Joe? So trying to pull that Ulti Clock Tower, definitely. Trying to find that, I should have pulled those out, I have three PSA 10s of those, Ultimate Rare, from when we pulled all those. Drill cheese, homemade tomato soup, that sounds tasty, I'm getting hungry, after this I'm definitely going to get something to eat. What's up Tyler, how you doing man? So basically today we have this box, we also, I'm going to make it known, have a second box that is going to be, it's going to be broken like box break, but it's going to be for sealed packs. So I've already sold a few of these packs, this was a consigned sale, so this guy, he sent me these boxes to sell for him. We're doing one live obviously, and then these are going to be sold as individual packs, so you know they're unweight, you know they're untampered with, you got probably two Ultimate Readers out of these 24 packs, something like that. So if you guys want some of those, go check out ruckson34.com if you want some of the rest of those. I'm not going to open it until everything is sold, then I won't even be alive, I'll just record it on my own and chip out of those to you guys. So that is a thing that is available, if you guys want something like that. Garrett, a member for 15 months, happy to support this wonderful channel, thank you. Thank you so much Garrett, I really appreciate it. That's awesome, almost 200k, we're almost there. Two years perfectly ultimate, what's up, let's go Galzo. You've earned the perfectly ultimate, you've also been punished, not quite by the perfectly ultimate, but also Galzo, I have something coming out that I think you'll enjoy as well, coming up that involves the perfectly ultimate as well. What's the lost Yu-Gi-Oh card? So the missing Yu-Gi-Oh card, back, if you're a longtime viewer of the channel, you will know that we opened I think eight or nine of these, I think it was nine boxes of this set, Hobby Box. I got them for like 200 bucks at the time each, now they're way more, they're like 1500, something like that. But back then they were like 200 bucks, so I bought nine of them. I opened them all to get the Shining Phoenix Enforcer Ultimate Rare. Not only did I not pull that, but I only pulled one normal Ultra that's in the Ulti form. So there's four Ultras in these sets and then there's like the Ultra Ulti version of those. I only pulled one out of 18 boxes, so 18 Ultimate Rears, I got one. And it was the worst one, it was like 12 bucks at the time. So we got absolutely destroyed by this set. So I'm hoping that this is our redemption arc here. This is the Cursed Box, yeah. What you say about the Perfect Ultimate? Yes, Gamer, you've missed the Twitch streams.  There's been some stuff going on with the Moth. You broke your arm? That sucks, man. I hope you feel better, hope that you recover soon. And also, I don't know, if you guys are, if you guys bought from this, there's a little surprise for you guys. I'm going to be mentioning later. If you bought from this box, you have a little bonus coming. And it's actually not little, it's actually pretty cool. So keep an eye out for that as we get through the stream. Let's get to 150 likes and then we'll start this thing up, guys. First life you made it to? What's up, Justin? Which reprint set coming out are you most excited for? Of course, Metal Raiders, the Moths. We're going to pull some Moths. It's going to be great. The Moth deck is unreal. True. Long time viewer. First time I'm doing this stream today. I wanted to say thanks for scratching my pack opening edge during some tough times. Zaph, I appreciate you coming in. I'm glad that you've enjoyed the videos. It's been great. Last Moth Battles were crazy. Golden, you might see those again soon. Keep that, just keep an eye out. Hopefully you will get it this time. Yeah, I hope so. A car accident. Wow, you guys had some bad luck, man. Hopefully you guys are all feeling better. Hopefully get some recovery going. Hopefully this helps out. What's the order of the Yu-Gi-Oh series after Yu-Gi-Oh dual monsters? I think it's GX, 5Ds. Zexal? Ark V? No, no, there's one between Ark V and that. I think there's another one than Ark V. I think it's what it is. I can't remember exact. I haven't seen all of those. I haven't seen Zexal or after. Can I be going to add new Rarity's Chase cards to one of those old school packs? I don't think so. They haven't said so, but I don't think they will. I've been signing a lot of cards for in our next Mystery Pack. This is new news. I've not told anybody. Our next Mystery Pack, you remember we sold them with Sasiado. The 2.0 is going to have a sign card in every pack. So I've been signing a lot to get those in there. But yeah, so you'll be able to get one guaranteed. It's not like a one in five or anything. It's like literally every pack should have one inside. Or maybe it's one order. I don't remember what we did. But every time, if you order something, you're going to get one. What's up, Iker? Zexal than Ark V? Okay, it is. Okay, it is. Moves? I signed all the moves I had, which was a lot, but it wasn't enough. I signed some Chickalotes. I signed a bunch of random different stuff. I've run out of cards to sign those, so it might just be random cards now. But I had a lot of stuff, but it wasn't enough to get all the signatures going. But XC's Caribo Refusion? I'm surprised they haven't done that yet, to be honest. I mean, they kind of did it with the Dark Magician one, but it wasn't really a fusion. It was just an effect monster, but it basically was a fusion. All right, guys, let's see. We're going to 150 likes, 22 likes to go. 22 likes from now. Whoa, water. Water time, guys. Water before we get started. Hydrate up for the look. Okay. Almost time. Hit that like button. Here we go. We're going to open this thing up when we had 150 likes. Signs of Monitank, Ruckson 34. I don't have a lot of those, surprisingly. I guess I just never pulled them aside or whatever. Hydrate in the chat. Make sure you guys put some water emojis. Just finishing watching one piece from beginning to end. Oh, that's a long time. Fellowship of the Ring and the Stream. Life is good. Nice. Fellowship of the Ring. Great movie. 149 likes. We're literally one like away from starting it up. What happened to your PSA graded card to your website? I sold everything that was on there. I have a fee. I saw some PSA stuff in my whatnot store that I'll be selling probably Thursday and they'll be available. They're available now if you want them. But 163 likes. All right, let's go. Here we go, guys. Let's open this thing up. One last look at the Enemy of Justice Hobby box. Here we go. This is a box break indeed. So this box is sold. We have one box that is not sold out right here. A second box. I'll put that back there for fun. All right, let's go. Let's open this up. Boom. All right, so open it up. We have opened the Hobby box. Enemy of Justice. Okay. So before we get started, the guy who can sign this threw in a few pharaoh servant original print packs. So we're going to be opening up a little bit of an additional stuff. So maybe we could pull Genzo. So if you bought one or two packs, you get one pharaoh servant pack. If you bought three plus packs, you get two. And then one guy bought like half the box. So he gets four packs because he bought so many packs. So that's how many packs we have. Perfectly with the numbers. So all of those. If you bought a pack, you get an additional pack of pharaoh servant to be open as well. So this is going to be a fun opening for sure. Here we go. We have 24 packs. Let's do a little shuffle, shuffle here. All right, shuffle it up. The difference in two boxes. There's no difference. One is going to be sold sealed. One is going to be sold for a live opening. This is obviously already sold. We're opening this up. The other one's going to be sold for seal packs. So with the other one, we're going to open the box and I'm going to ship them like this. You bought one pack? I ship it like that. It's open. It's not open. It's sealed. So we're going to do that for the second box. Because I figured doing two boxes is kind of a lot. So I figured we could do a sealed one as well because he sent me two. All right. Here we go. Enemy of justice. Our first person opening is Mod P with one pack. Let's see what we can get. Mod P is going to get one pack of this and one pack of this. So double whammy. They didn't even know they were getting these, by the way. They bought these packs not knowing about fair servant. So a little bit of an exciting thing there for them while they're watching. Here we go. Let's see what we can get. First pack for Mod. What will we get for Mod P? Icarus attack. One, two, three, four right off the bat. Here we go guys. We have a our righteous justice. Very nice. Raging area. Shattered axe. The axe is shattered. Cyber gymnast. Icarus attack. Can we get an ultimate rare on the first pack? Let's see. Royal Knights. We have a storming wind and we have... Guard dog. Wait. I miscounted. Okay. Next, next guard.  Cyber Prima. Starting it off with a super rare one pack magic. Cyber Prima. Not bad at all. And also you're going to get yourself a pharaoh servant opening as well. So that's a good start. We got a super rare. And Mod, this is your pharaoh servant unlimited pack. Let's see what we can get. Will we pull a Genzo guys? Send us some Genzo, some machine emojis in the chat. Let's go. One, two, three, four. I don't even know if these are hobby packs, but if they are, we want that Genzo. Let's go. Buster Blader would be incredible as well. Original Prank because they have the original logo. Infinite dismissal, bubonic vermin. Seven completed. Let me know in the chat which one you see. What is going on with my voice? Insect imitation. Attack and receive. Gift of the mystical elf. The shallow grave. So no foil on the bonus pack. We did get a super rare Cyber Prima. So not too bad there. All right. Not bad. Not a bad start. We've already got a super rare. Let's go ahead and pack this up. So we're going to have basically, I think it was 13 pharaoh servant packs. So we're going to put 37 packs open today. Not bad. Sleeve it up. You never know what's going to happen in a box break. You might get a little bonus. You know, sometimes you do something. Well, you always get a bonus foil if you don't pull anything, but sometimes they're thrown in extra packs one time. I think we did a whole extra box or something one time. That was pretty cool. Okay. Let's see what we can get. Sleeve this up. Got that. All right. We got our two open packs. What's the missing card drawing on the title? We were talking about the shining phoenix enforcer that we opened nine boxes for back in 2020, probably maybe 2021. I don't know. And we didn't get it. So we're still looking for that. All right. First pack open. We're going on to the second person. This is Michael S who bought three packs. So he didn't just buy one. He didn't just buy two. He bought three packs, which means he gets two pharaoh servants. So he's got five total packs. I thought he bought three. End up with five. So not bad for Michael. Let's go. Enemy of justice. First edition. So far we've gotten one super rare out of our first pack. Will we be able to top it with an ultra rare? We really want an ultra out of here because they're one in 24. They're not always in the box. Then you want an ultimate rare, of course, which are two per box. Usually we have an accurate shaman. Battery man D. Our righteous justice. The grand convergence. D shield. Guard dog. Oh, over soul. Macro cosmos and elemental absorber. That's just a rare on the first one. No worries. We got two more packs plus the pharaoh servants. Nothing to worry about. Let's get something. Oh, we have no music. Thank you for reminding me. Okay, let's first of all turn that off. Let's do a little. Yeah, we don't want to go ASMR rucksons. That's that's a little bit too, too quiet. Okay, there we go. We'll turn it up a little bit.  There's a little bit going on the background. Here we go. Second pack. One, two, three, four. Michael S. We have raging area. World wind weasel. Celestial. No clock tower. Shattered axe shot in the chat. I want to send you guys to send luck for no clock tower for everybody because I want the people who are in the box break to not have to experience that pain. I have a lynching also. Herald a green light. So we've got some a dry Tron action going here. Final enemy of justice pack. He does have his extra ones. Will we pull something? So far we are over two for Michael S. Let's see if we can turn it around for him. Can we get something good like an ultimate rare? One, two, three, four. We have a destiny hero. Doom Lord. Raging area. World wind weasel. Celestial transformation. Liard, the liberator. Power capsule. Elemental recharge. A cheated heart. And we have a cyber Phoenix. That's a super rare. So our second super of the box so far. Cyber Phoenix. Not too bad. Not like insane, but it is pretty cool. Usually when we would open this, we'd get ultimate rares as the like the same super is that we got would be oldies. So I don't know if that's going to come true here or not, but we'll have to see. All right. Clock tower ulti is pretty good though. Let's be honest. I mean, it is cool. Yeah, it's not terrible, but. All right. His first pharaoh servant pack. Let's go guys. Thank you, Blake. I appreciate it. Let's see. Whoa, this is a long crimp on this. Interesting. I've got a long crimp. Let's see what we can pull pharaoh servant. One, two, three, four. Can we get Buster Blader? Genzo. Something cool. We have a skull mariner. A lot of cool cards and pharaoh servant. Cold wave, original print. Gamble. Oh man. These are all sticking together. Cyber Falcon. Lots of rucks and specials on this one. Fire dragon. Invitation of a dark sleeve. Mystic probe. Solomon's law book. And 8000 eyes restrict. Ultra rare from a bonus pack. Michael S. He didn't even know he was buying pharaoh servant. And he pulls thousand eyes restrict. Well, he didn't buy it actually, but he got a bonus. Thousand eyes restrict. Whoa, that is insane, dude. So a super rare from the packs he actually bought. And an ultra rare thousand eyes. I was like, what's the other card here that's really good? And we pulled it. Thousand eyes. Insane. Michael S. It's not over yet. You got another pack. What a pull. Oh my goodness, guys. Send him some luck. He's, I mean, he already had some luck, but can we go double luck here? One, two, three, four. That was in a crazy pull. It's one of the best. Original print, two. Flying comic carry number two. Three-headed guido. Let's go. He's a madman. Another foil. Two for two on the bonus packs. Magical hats. This is insane. What an opening for Michael S. He bought three packs. He ended up with five and then he got three foils. Michael S. Is a madman. He's insane. He's pulling everything. Oh my goodness. What an opening. The cool part was that was the bonus pack. So this box is still pretty high. We didn't like losing momentum with the box. We used lots of super rare. Wow. That's crazy. Okay. Let's sleeve these up. Let's get these into the top loaders. Protect these cards. These are beautiful-looking stuff. Let's check the center. The center looks pretty good from what I can tell. Looks pretty good. Maybe it's a little bit different. You can look through this. There's just one of these. Let's go. Yeah, it's pretty good. Maybe it's a little bit pushed that way, but I mean that's in the borders I think that is really nice thousand eyes restrict ultra rare that is beautiful Michael s congrats dude congrats. That is insane, man all right all right and I wrote on your recent video. I opened three and one of these trekking eos had something you've been searching for Oh, man, no way you pulled the forbidden yukio card. Is that for real? That's a big time man. That's a huge pull Alright, that was that's what we call an opening right there ladies and gentlemen. That was good We're only like four packs in and we've already pulled insane. So this is a good start guys This is a great start actually Hopefully this sends us some good luck for the rest of the week I'm streaming every day this week by the way on different platform three different platforms We stream on twitch we stream here streaming doing our whatnot stream Thursday. It's insane. We have a lot going on So you guys want to be there make sure to come hang out check out those platforms as well Go grab a powerball ticket. Yeah, this man is lucky. He is what we call lucky Wow, okay, also, I got an idea to it for twitch viewers I got an idea for the next deck. We're gonna do I just check check my Twitter You may have an idea from that But I've got an idea of what we're gonna do next because we did we did the moth. It's pretty epic I'm thinking I got an idea for the next one. Okay I should put I'm trying not to try not to mix these up. I'm gonna get to keep these all straight last Pull either shining or regular fiends in Forza Ultimate either one would be a huge pull. So hopefully we can pull that off Next person up is Alec S. He has two packs. So he's got the next two packs right here These two and then he gets a bonus Pharaoh's servant. So very cool. Open these up. Wow crazy pulls already Let's see if we can continue this awesome opening alive for you guys Send me some luck in the chat guys hit that like button if you're enjoying it. How come we didn't get a notification I haven't done the stream yet. Yeah, that's Thursday That's on Thursday. So you haven't missed anything yet But you do have to bookmark if you bookmark it. I think then it'll definitely notify you. Okay Cyber gymnast We have the shattered axe Whirlwind weasel the righteous justice Icarus attack H heated heart D shield We've got dimensional fissure a crazy good card and finally we have The majestic mech Oka. That's just a rare. So we're starting it off slow for Alec next pack Let's see what we can get Enemy of justice first edition. What will we pull? All right Here we go second pick. Thanks Blake. Thanks Blake. I appreciate it Will we pull something good for Alec second pack? Here we go guys send some luck in the chat misfortune sin Alec the luck Let him know that we need an ultimate rare doom lord elemental recharge layar the Liberator Blazing Eta Royal Knights and An ultimate rare Super electromagnetic Voltec dragon. We have already pulled one ultimate rare Dino technically thunder. He's not even a dino, but look at him. He's definitely a dino. Maybe he's the thunder dino But he's still a dino Okay, that is an ultimate rare not bad Alec There you go our first ultimate rare has been pulled and now you have a bonus pack So not only you get the ultimate rare here, which looks pretty Center, maybe yeah, it's definitely push a little bit that way, but it's not terrible now you get your Pharaoh servant pack Let's see what we can get Let's do this All right Let's go second pack one two three Four there we go. Don't not mess it up. We have the three-edited Gido. Come on. Let's get a Jinzo or a Buster blade We've already got thousand eyes, which is crazy in this missile the bubonic vermin seven completed Doko royaiba dark bat insect imitation attack and receive and we have a Morphing jar number two is a morphing jar the second iteration Okay, nothing too crazy there, but we did get an ultimate rare under there, which is pretty sick Thunder machine dino true. He's like three different types right there. So we got a double sleeve this guy. There we go ultimate rare beautiful sleeve it up Put it in a top loader get it nice and safe Alec asking grass on your ultimate rare. Here we go Leave it up. Let's get all these in there Hopefully if you do grade it has some good luck, but we'll see if you guys I don't know if you guys are all gonna do that or not, but We'll see how the centering goes. It's pretty close. I think it's I think it's good enough But you just never really know one piece packs again. If I can ever get any they're pretty expensive hard to find at this point Alec asked congrats. Thanks for being in it, man. Next up. We have Hector G Hector G has two packs, which means he has two and he has pharaoh servants. So let's see what we can get Hector Will we pull something else big? 629 people. Let's get to 300 likes for 253. Let's do it. Get that like button. Let's go One two three four guys. Here we go We have world one weasel Majestic Mexican cue destiny signal the cyber tutu cyber care and come on ultimate rare storming wind dimensional fish or ultra would be good as well avalancheing also and Destiny hero diamond dude so people were saying diamond dude in this box We can't get that because this is a hobby box You can only get that in a retail box because this is a regular rare and in hobby boxes You can only get supers and ultras as ultimate rare. So Impossible to get that unfortunately, but very cool card Next pack for Hector Will we pull something good? Come on pack chill out over there. One two three four We have bountiful Artemis. Let's see what we can pull guys search light man mariner celestial transformation the o over soul guard dog D shield Swift bird man joe and A heartbeats pet baby dragon actually some good retail ultimate rare isn't here. I mean that's a pretty good one as well No, no pulls in his two packs, but don't worry. He has a bonus pack. Hopefully this means this will bless him. Come on Come on guys I need to see some hyphen the chat Tell about Hector one two three four. He needs it now He's over two But he has one more chance garruchin koo wagata souls of the forgotten gust Insect barrier We have the time seal the soldier of science driving snow heartbeats brother before I got changed the sky scout and A magical hats again Another foil except it's the same super as before loose packs. That's what's can I mean can happen That's actually one of the best super as though because it's anime very nice Magical hats original prints so they have the reprints coming out But nothing will be like the original prints. It has the feel of the first edition the look of the first edition Very cool. Very very cool Good good pull for Hector. That'll salvage it very nice. That'll definitely help Sleeve that up Hector. That's pretty awesome. Congrats on the super rare We pulled three foils out of those extra packs already. That's pretty amazing All right Sleep up those cards Put it into the bag Wow, not bad not bad guys not bad So far these extra packs have been pretty crazy. I mean they've had a lot of good stuff inside Next up is rodrigo g he got one pack One pack. He also got one for his servant. So here we go Enemy of justice first edition. What can we pull? What have you missed? You've missed some good stuff But don't worry. There's so lot stuff left that we can pull All right, enemy of justice one two three four We have the search light man. Come on guys. Let's go elemental hero mariner celestial transformation whirlwind weasel Royal knight storming wind guard dog a power capsule his one pack magic will it pay off Destruction of destiny so it didn't pay off there But fortunately for him is one pack magic turned into two pack magic with the pharaoh's Servants guys Here we go Second chance one two three four can pharaoh servant keep providing it's been providing so far flying kama kiri numero dos The three-headed gido. We're gonna need some luck here. Invented dismissal Pobonic vermin attack and receive island turtle world suppression burning land and A dimension all the whole of dimension All right, so no pulls there for rod rego. That's okay. You will get a bonus foil. Thank you for being in it man. I appreciate it Uh, unfortunately your extra pack didn't pay off But pretty cool stuff some cool cards in their dimension hole always reminds me of my first fair servant first edition pack I opened I pulled that as a rare. I was like dang could have been a genzo. It wasn't that's okay Next up we have brennan p He's got one pack magic One pack magic it turns into two pack magic today. Let's see what we can get Almost 300 likes on the stream hit that like button if you're enjoying the stream support it hype it up in the chat Oh, I just ripped that pack. Whoops. Okay, maybe that's a good sign. Maybe that means there's something good inside Enemy not in me of justice. Yeah, it is in me of justice. What am I talking about? This isn't me of justice Okay, celestial transformation Destiny hero doom lord would be a cool ultimate rare. They should have made him a rare So we could have been one misfortune bountiful artimus a cheated heart Destiny hero captain to me tenacious the bellies and he taught Icarus attack and a barrier or banisher of the radiance Not barrier statue banisher of the radiance. I mean, it's very similar. They're both very annoying cards Nothing in his pack, but We have pharaoh servant. Let's go Pharaoh servant will you redeem our packs so far? You've pulled us three foils Which has been amazing two of the same super one amazing ultra will be at a secret rare two three four For brandon p we have a dark fire soldier number one Drill bug for the weevil underwood. I have truth metal detector mystic probe solomon's law book deep sea warrior oni tank ruckson 34 and Mitch is early. So we got it on tank ruckson 34, but unfortunately no one pack magic For brandon p brandon p. Thank you for being in it. We've got a couple of duds in a row We got to get back on track. We got to pull you guys some stuff all right Here we go Here we go the rest of the boxes is it going to heat up so far? What if we got two supers one ulti we're hoping for an ultra out of here a second ulti would be great as well We have next okay now. We're talking okay. We got a lot of packs to open the next one is Tyler l Tyler was in the chat earlier. I saw him Tyler didn't buy one he didn't buy two he didn't buy three He didn't buy 10 he bought 12 packs So tyler went crazy here. He has one two Three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve that's what he has He has almost all the rest of the packs So not only does he get you know a fair certain pack He's getting four because he bought so many packs. So he has 16 packs to open for tyler Let's see Let's see if we can pull him something amazing. All right Tyler l Enemy of justice. Let's go He went crazy send tyler l luck.  I think for that battery man d Bountiful Artemis power capsule swift bird man joe a cheated heart destiny your captain tenacious and we have A forced back so he's forced back into buying more packs But don't worry guys By the way, if you guys missed this and you want to buy some we're doing another box break This one will not be opened this will well I'm opening the box and shipping you guys the sealed pack So if you want those check it out ruckson 34.com they are available there We sold a few of the packs already, but there are packs left once they all sell out I'll open this box myself ship out every individual sealed pack and you guys can get what you bought So check that out if you guys want to buy some of those back to tyler l his second pack He needs to pull something good Will he be the one to pull the missing at yugio card the elemental hero Shining phoenix enforcer ultimate rare. Will he do it? Would you do your weevil underwood voice? My weevil voice our righteous justice search light man poutiful Artemis misfortune storming wind guard dog powerful capsule swift bird manjoe and The knee time oh gosh doing that too long is killer I don't know how the guy who did the weevil voice did it is killer. I gotta get water now Hydrate time guys Oh man, that is that is taxing on the old vocal cords. Let me tell you All right, tyler l he's over two so far, but he has 12 packs as you know plus four so 16 total Let's go hit a like button for weevil underwood voice. Come on. Give me give me some credit here guys I'm doing my best out here. I'm sacrificing the vocal cords All right one two three four We have battle florid miss misfortune search light man cyber tutu swift bird manjoe elemental recharge royal knights cyber kirin and A clock tower prison It couldn't be an enemy of justice opening without a clock tower prison. It's just a super rare though Doesn't mean we're gonna get the ulti But we did get the super rare. All right super rare clock tower prison.  It's always the clock tower If only there was an ulti no no no no no please no But as you guys know when you pull a super you tend to get the ultimate rare So good chance tyler l. Let's go Clock tower is back fourth pack Will we pull an ultra rare out of this box? They are not guaranteed. We have a sinky. Which is funny because they're lower end or not lower end but lower rarity Emerged you call dollar 30 not bad avalanche you awesome elemental recharge little yard the liberator a cheated heart and we have a Harpy's pet baby dragon that is a rare no big deal Okay, what else can we pull enemy of justice You pull the ulti can you do the weevil laugh? I don't know if I can do it or not Clock tower meme if you know you know you've been around for a long time If you know that one one two three four Or else you've watched a lot of old videos. We have destiny signal almost d time batter mandy another emergency call That's a play set necroy charm. Let's get tyler some luck here. He's got a super so far over soul macrocosmos blazing ita and And another super majestic mech gory await. How many supers is that? Is that just four or five? I hope that's four. Please tell me that's four, right? I hope so All right next pack I hope that's only four because that means it would replace the ultra if we got usually that's what that means If you get five supers, so hope that's our fourth one two three four Tyler l come on two supers so far shattered axe. He has emergency call again. Wow cyber gymnast We have the elemental hero mariner a avalanche. She costs a low rucks and special count true cyberkieran dimensional fissure swift bird man joe and A life equalizer equalizing our life has been a while since we have an enemy of justice though We used to open it all the time another pack tyler l How does purchasing packs work? So I announced them early to all patreon members that the $10 love it above and then the special footage members on youtube And then they get to get the packs they want then I mentioned it to everybody else and they go on ruckson 34.com We've got netcord shaman macrocosmos o over soul guard dog d shield and we have A guard penalty there it is for creator clash coming up right there It's leon heart and jarvis fighting. All right next pack not fighting each other, but they're both fighting Okay, so we have five more enemy of justice Then we have four more pharaoh servants so far two superheroes. Can you link it? Uh, I cannot I'm streaming at the moment And my hands are opening a pack But you can type in ruckson 34.com slash shop and it will bring you right to it into the google search bar.  We have cyber gymnast shattered axe whirlwind weasel destiny hero captain denacious the blazing heater. We have a icarus attack royal knight and Destruction of destiny the dod and unfortunately. All right few packs left guys Two supers for tyler l we want to get him better something better than this We want to get him an ulcer we want to get him an ulcer We want to get him, you know, I guess something else out of pharaoh servers. Well one two three four. Come on 12 packs. We have a sineq destiny signal cyber 2 2 Grand convergence. Come on. Send some luck in the chat guys. Let's go. We got to pull something amazing royal knight Storming wind the guard dog. He's garden power capsule and A miraculous descent. It's another rare. Oh dear. We have three packs left It's coming down toward the entire alleys over nine packs so far. Will we pull something big? Let's go Send the luck from the chat guys One two three four. We have grand convergence Our righteous justice Raging area shattered axe. Oh over so give us the missing yugio card for tyler l I would love nothing better than to pull it myself and for tyler l to get it. We have icarus attack and A herald of purple light the heralds. They're in here. Oh my goodness two packs left. Okay Let's go. Can we get An ultimate rare or an ultra rare out of here. Come on one two three four We need to be blessed guys tyler needs luck. He needs it from you guys cyber gymnast elemental hero necroid shaman e emergency call battery man d H heated heart the d shield dimensional fissure Captain tenacious and will we pull an ultimate rare? Hero flash we did it. Okay, so there's one more in me of justice for him I'm gonna save that for the end. Let's open the pharaoh servant first So he has four bonus packs because he bought so many packs. He has two for 11 so far We need to pull something good right now. We need to pull some big stuff Come on one two three four. Come on tyler Guys chat send him some luck shows Shadows I said shows metal detector. Come on deep sea warrior. We have the kisitai only tank ruckson 34 good sign deokoro yaiba and A mad sword beast that is the original monster With piercing built in so he had the fairy meteor crush effect as they called it back then Which is pretty wild because that is an old card three packs to go Hit that like button if we get to 400 likes. I hear that's good. It's good for tyler I hear that site. I don't know if that's true or not, but we'll find out one two three four tyler Come on.  No foil. Oh, this is getting ugly. We started off hot But we have cooled off big time Can we pull it? Don't jinx it. No. No jinxes in the chat Send us some good luck. We don't want jinxes one two three four We need good luck these last three packs. We have a cold wave banned for a while gamble might actually still be bad Cyber falcon shadow of eyes bombardment beetle type zero magic crusher twin-headed fire dragon Invitation to a dark sleep and we have a Appropriate and appropriate actually. Oh no Last two packs. We need some luck for tyler to turn this around lots of rares in a row pharaoh servant Need some luck Come on pharaoh servant. You've been good to us so far. Don't stop now one two three four We have an insect barrier spike bots Regulation of the tribe skull mariner science soldier the driving snow like lord of the rings harpy's pet brother Harpy's brother not harpy's pet dragon. We're mixing them together. They're in two different packs rain of mercy and we have A prohibition which is a good rare, but it's still a rare. Oh no It all comes down to this final pack. We need some luck for tyler Everyone in the chat Send your energy. It's like a spirit bomb of epicness. We need to pull something big ultimate rare. Let's go tyler l Come on come on We have one two three four. Yes. Okay. We have Grand convergence the solar system celestial transformation destiny hero doom lord misfortune storming wind Icarus attack abalanching ossa Macro cosmos in the final card. Come on. Send some luck. We have ultra rare volt anus the Adjudicator. All right, so we did get an ultra in the box Thankfully tyler l got something at the end. This is unfortunately not the best ultra This is the one I pulled as an ultra ultimate rare, but it is an ultra rare at least Thank goodness because he'd have going three for 12 which is normal actually Surprisingly and though it felt worse the pharaoh servant didn't help because that went over for but tyler. Thank you for being in it That was a little scary, but fortunately we got an ultra rare at the end Um, I'll probably throw something else in extra since you bought so many packs But thank you so much man. That was epic. Uh, you have so many packs that I'm just gonna Move your stuff to the side.  I think there's so many cards there. Okay Put that over there. We've got two more people left Two more people They both got one pack next up. We have brendan l brendan l with one pack magic So we have not pulled an ultra Or an ultimate rare we have bold one there should be two usually so we have two packs here The last two people may or may not have sniped the ultimate rare of one pack magic. We'll find out brendan l Will you be the one to snipe the ultimate rare? Here we go. Oh, don't throw that away. We're gonna keep that pack One two three four We have misfortune Destiny your own doom lord brendan. What will you get raging area? Will it be the missing yugioh card? It's also transformation macro cosmos avalanching ossa elemental recharge Liyard the liberator guys and An ultimate rare cyber Prima there it is That's an ultimate rare cyber prima That happened we have pulled it ultimate rare Wow, what a second pull both super rare ultimate rares, but hey, they're still pretty cool. I like the enemy of justice foil I think it's pretty clean all right That is unfortunate for tyler tyler. I feel bad for you man You were one away for the ultimate rare not trying to rub it in or anything. I feel like I am by accident though All right next pack. Let's go for brendan.  I don't know what it's gonna be But I'm gonna throw something in there for you All right brendan brendan's probably like dang My is like my bad. All right. Let's go drill bug. Let's go We have darkfire soldier number one. Will he gets if he gets ferro servant foil too It's gonna be it's gonna be even worse metal detector solomon's law book deep sea warrior dna surgery Only tank rucks 34. Hey got something and Okay, let's go invitation. All right. It wasn't anything too crazy. I was like that's gonna be that's gonna be painful Five life points went to zero rip Oh, man Okay, let's uh, yeah, yeah, I feel bad tyler The script is real. Yeah. NFL's rigged. That's what it feels like right now Sometimes that sometimes a lot of packs turns like good and sometimes it's bad You know sometimes one pack magic is good. You get something sometimes you don't And this time it worked out one pack magic actually did pretty well actually wait I think I guess. Yeah, I think one pack magic did pretty well on this one. Okay. We're on the last pack. We have Uh lars b he has one pack and he has one ferro servant. So for this I mean, we know we have four I think we've pulled seven foils. So it's unlikely. There's anything in this so I'm gonna leave this sealed for him We are gonna open this ferro servant because it's a loose pack. So we really don't know what could be inside So we're gonna open this for him. Let's see what we get. We have not pulled the shining phoenix enforcer Unfortunately one two three four lars b will you get something? We're not opening your yo j pack because uh, I don't think there's a foil in there based on the ratios We've already pulled ultra four supers too oldy. So I'm trying to keep it sealed for you Keep a little value in there. I have truth. We have the flame champion respect play all saying white tiger sword honor Ground collapse. We have a light of intervention and we have a Appropriate another rare. So those ferros servant started off hot. They ended up being about ratio getting I think it was a three Or four foils or something like that All right, sleeve that up lars b. Thank you so much for being in it. You get your sealed pack All right, that turned out to be a pretty standard enemy of justice box Just like always we pulled super ultimate rare. Somehow we can just never pull an ultra ulti out of this set Maybe that means that this other box that we have right here Does have some inside but these will be ship sealed to you guys So if you guys want some of these Even if you don't want to open them, they're going to get ship sealed So we have packs available ruckson 34.com. There's also a discount if you are a member So go check out the member discount on the youtube community tab That's only available if you're a member on a member post So if you're not a member you can do that you can get a discount and uh makes it pays for that or whatever so All right guys, that was a fun one Once again, thank you guys for being in it, especially tyler tyler.  Don't worry But thank you guys for being in it. It was a fun stream. It was awesome as usual I'll be live on twitch tomorrow. We'll have a video tomorrow thursday.  So three more streams in a row. It's gonna happen And uh, if you guys enjoyed it make sure to subscribe to channel all that stuff and i'll see you guys in the next stream and videos


Welcome to the last paper session of the conference. After this session, there will be two more performances and then a record panel, where probably we can share all the new insights that we got during the conference. This session is also featuring two projects actually from Sao Polo. So we're going across the Atlantic to the southern hemisphere. The first paper is presented by Antonio Goulart, who's at the Sonology Research Center in Sao Polo. And he's interested in synthesis techniques. But he's also life coding and life coding the computer as part of a free improvisation orchestra. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah, it's very nice to be here. Thanks a lot for the opportunity. And it's interesting. I never had another Antonio as a classmate. And right now I have another Antonio at the same laboratory as I am. And we are presenting at the same session. See, it's funny. And I mean, usually the last session is the big one. So I'm not sure why I'm here. But I'll try to tell you a good story. So we have this orchestra, free improvisation orchestra in Sao Polo at the music department. And four years ago, I started playing this orchestra. I was playing the guitar at the beginning. But then I started studying sound synthesis. And I switched the computer to maybe try new sounds in this free improvisation orchestra. So Miguel is the bass player in the orchestra. We've reflected a bit about this process of life coding. And that's what I'm talking about today. And yeah, of course, everyone here knows about the first line, maybe the last line, I think. So and we've been talking a lot about free improvisation in this conference this week. It's interesting to see that. And I'll just talk a bit more today just to be sure we are at the same page regarding free improvisation. But yeah, so this one. So here I'm thinking about the computer as a musical instrument, like any other, or if you wish, life coding as a standalone instrument. So I'm not using, I avoid using controllers or motion capture stuff, like talk about it today. I prefer to use only the code in this di-term though. So I'm also not using, not processing the acoustic players instruments. Everybody asked me about that. So I'm ready to talk that it's standalone. Also, I'm not networked. Of course, there's not computers. So it's not like the same as in laptop work, it was a group, like today they exchange some kind of information, at least the clock or some stuff. And I'm also not using machine listening to sync to the music musicians. Although I could do it. I think it would be a bit too much for me. Maybe Nicole's can do it, but I can't. So yeah. So about the orchestra itself, so I'll just quickly show. These are the members. So like Trombone, Flute, myself, saxophone, Miguel, the bass player, clarinet, piano, baritone. And this last guy here plays everyday objects and also uses the voice. And we had someone talking about like the Italian guy using the microphone to get everyday objects. I send a reference to the guy, thanks. So yeah. So all these acoustic musicians, they've been to lots of instrument training and ear training. They are very good musicians. But they had no previous knowledge about electronic music techniques before like two or three years ago. And if you think about life coding, they really haven't heard about it and have no clue what was that. So yeah, in an orchestra scenario, especially in pre-improvisation orchestra, it's very important on how to effectively interact. You need to have a perfect interaction for each work. So we are in this orchestra very interested in thinking about how to interact better. So we noticed some problems in our interactions. And we started to think about why. So I'm only talking a bit about pre-improvisation now. First thing is that it's like a collective and when in a group, of course. But it's a collective and collaborative thing, of course. So everyone is working on the same event, which is doing the improvisation together. And this is very important. It requires benevolent behavior. Or by benevolent behavior, what I mean is like, you don't try to get all the attention. So you avoid maybe polar actions. So especially in pre-improvisation, we try to be like knowing the idiomatic as the expression put by Derek Bailey. So usually if you do some polar actions, just, for example, you would break out the layer, the sounds of improvisations and knowing the automatic layers and just bring all the attention to this polar action. So you avoid doing that. And also use extended techniques to maybe take the instruments to their limit and really try to overcome all the idioms and languages, musical languages. This is a very important thing in pre-improvisation that previous information about the other performance is not a requirement because it, and that's because the interaction should be based on the sound musicians create on the actual performance, only the sounds should be enough for this effect of interaction or pre-improvisation. For example, the bass player should interact with a drummer without needing to stare at him. So this might be very obvious, but it's one of the premises of pre-improvisation. Only the sound is enough. And as a corollary, so knowledge of each other's instruments should also not be a prerequisite. It'll be clear why I'm talking about this. So as another example, the bass player should be able to interact with a drummer without knowing anything about drumsticks or drum skins or anything like that. However, yeah, we all know something about this stuff and we take that into account when we are jamming. We should only focus on sound, maybe with this Schaeferian-reduced listening thing, or what Derek Bailey calls playing without memory. He says that the idea of pre-improvisor is the one who has no memory at all. So it's completely free in the sense of not relating to anything that was mentioned before. Okay, now, a bit about the instruments themselves. So the acoustic instruments, of course, you have immediacy between any gesture, any thing that you do with the body in the instrument and you get sounds like it's immediate. And of course, with live coding, there's a leg of both thinking about the algorithm and the code itself and both writing it, but with great leg comes great opportunities. So we can, yeah. So again, of course, my program sounds for the future and you're not limited for the acoustic timbre of a specific instrument, but we can do like any sound. So this should be taken into account in this free improvisation scenario, of course. So the projection itself, we all know about this, showing this screen thing, the manifesto and stuff, but at first we didn't use projection in orchestra. Oh, by the way, it's called orchestra e-hante, which is like from Ero, the word from Ero in Portuguese. So our audience is usually like, they are really not used to anything that's not acoustic instrument. So projecting that they screened this orchestra in our opinion would blur all the attention to the group performance. It wouldn't be a problem, but it would blur the attention to the music. Now the big problem is like paying too much attention to the code or maybe to the visual thing and forgetting about the music. That's been done. So we didn't project at first, but we thought that maybe that would be one of the reasons our interaction was not good enough. And in one of our like meetings, weekly meetings, I showed, I projected like the live recording and talked a bit about the one before talking about, I'll just follow here this script. So it's more, we noticed that it was more natural for the bass player to jam with the drummer than with myself. Of course that by bass player, I mean the full orchestra. And what happens was like the live coded sounds would be like background layers in this improvisation music that we were doing. And you know, IOD, the acoustic instruments, we could notice lots of conversation between the musicians, but my sounds would like behave as a set of background layers. Not interacting, I wasn't influencing anyone. I wasn't fast enough to maybe follow someone's intentions and the musical intentions or elites, I don't know. Yeah, one problem might be like a musician anxiety and worrying about the immediacy, but maybe another one was not knowing what happens inside the computer when I'm there So yeah, in one of our meetings rehearsals way, I am projected and how much time I have left? 10 minutes. 10 minutes, okay. You're good. Okay, thank you very much. Oh, okay, so yeah, and then I projected and like spent some hours talking to them about all the process of live coding. So show them how it works, that it's actually writing code, not like using an interface where I can have like immediacy and that it takes some time to program a musical intention, but after you got some code with like few variations, you can get huge outcomes. And yeah, I mean, instant, instantaneously, the interaction, the jam was better. And yeah, a little comment. They are very smart people when you have their attention. And yeah, also we tried that in some of our concerts, presentations, and didn't learn that much the attention. So from there, we kept the projection thing. So, I mean, it was very fast all the history, but of course it was a process of talking to them and showing the live coding. And they are all in the doing masters, our PhD in the music department. So they are like studying contemporary music and most, at least half of them are into electronic music studies and techniques. There are three of them, I can show you a video later, are like extending their instruments to hybrid instruments with electronic processing and live electronics. So by now I think they are like more they have much more knowledge of what, how to incorporate electronic tools in there, instruments in there as a new tool. So some questions about that. If we should break this free improvisation of presupposition about the interaction only through sound and add this given that everyone have an idea about each other's instruments nature. Because I mean, only after I showed him what I was doing here, we could effectively interact and we understand, by the time they understood what was happening in the interaction like really started to happen. They understood that they had to give me some time to follow them or like make, prepare like a layer of for me to have my sounds in it and then we talk better, something like that. So this is one of the things I was thinking. Another one, if acoustic musicians should learn coding to become better orchestra musicians by orchestra, of course, I don't mean symphonic orchestra or something, but in this case, another question is how feasible it is to perform an acoustic instrument in this free improvisation context which is like very abstract and which are also exploring extended techniques which are usually difficult to achieve in the instruments. So how feasible it is to do that and simultaneously read code from the live coder and your orchestra. Another one, if is it too much to expect that the acoustic musicians will read the code and write and understand where I'm sonorously going and make room for the new sound. And I mean, would that be a bridge to the future like this Code So Fish idea of being able to learn the code and think about the sounds and the way you can think about the sound that you will come out of a guitar if you play that third fret or something. But the pitfall is they will be paying too much attention to my code in the torment of the other musician sounds that maybe if they could do it, it's not impossible. I know it's difficult to ask some musicians to learn coding, but if they do, of course, they will be paying too much attention to my coding and also to the sounds, of course. But I mean, some of us already do live coding and know, of course, how to program and play I'm sure that most of us here can play some instruments, you could try it, like how it is to play acoustic instruments have one or two, I don't know, life coders in the same group and try to so page their code and maybe try this future interaction or something. And this is the most important question, is if after learning coding, would the musicians still want to play acoustic instruments, since life coding is so cool? So yeah, that was the short history. Thank you very much. We have this, some performances, I mean, we don't record a lot and even film much. Well, we have some recordings of some sessions they saw in Arizona Cloud. This is my MA, if you want to interact with me. And maybe I can answer some questions and still got two minutes, just show one or two videos, but I didn't show here, of course, because time is short, but in the article, I referenced some of our performances with some comments, so both good and bad, more bad than good comments. So you could really get the article and those of you who are interested, the videos and some of the references are only going to worry about it. So thank you very much. Oh yeah. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Are the other instrumentalists like more from contemporary music background or reaches or something like that? Because I play in some very different music students. Oh, just forget about it. Yeah, they all went to music instrument degree in the university and like six of them are also jazz players. So two of them play in a jazz orchestra in Sao Paulo, so they are like, but not contemporary musicians. Not a contemporary musician. So it took a while for them to maybe get a grasp of this electronic music stuff or something. I think you're giving priority on the screen to the live coders representation, right? But what about the other businesses that you thought that they should have some screen space as well so that people can understand what they're doing usually as well as what the live coders are doing. Let me see if I understand, like to do their actions on the instrument and also. Well, you might need something like a interpreter who's going to create some sort of textual representation or if they're playing jazz and usually there's a court progression that you could show that. Well, in this case. I don't know, maybe you're not doing it. But I thought I'm just trying to provide something that represents what the other musicians, the acoustic musicians are doing. You have to get it somewhere, but. I mean, in our orchestra, that's for improvisation context, we usually go for improvisations, but we sometimes try some scripts. So everyone has something, a specific role at a specific time to do that. And we do that maybe to practice how to interact there. But you don't show that to the audience, the script? When we do that, we share that in the program, maybe so the others know what's happening, but it's usually very abstract. So that would be not to lose the improvisation of you and go to maybe a composition or guided composition. So in some countries, you have to have closed captioning on any public broadcasts and so on. But it's usually done by an interpreter. Is there a way that you can interpret for an audience? Maybe even an audience that can't hear. What's going on through some kind of representation? I guess this is a question for the whole community. What's going on in the free improvisation sounds. Even for those of us who can hear, we don't know what's going on. Yeah, I do agree that we're out of time maybe. Well, I think maybe we can take one more question as well. Let me just try to give you what I think about that. I agree that in free improvisation, like sessions, it can go, it can go, the sounds can go very abstract. And what I most try to pay attention when I watch free improvisation sessions is if they are interacting, if the musicians are interacting, no matter how abstract and on what alien level they are, well, I try to get some conversations and interaction going on. Less than 50% of the time, I'm able to find some interaction there. And I think that when in orchestra and hunting, when we do our sessions, less than half of the time we do achieve a nice conversation. But I mean, it's an extreme practice, and if language based, if I can call it like that, improvisation is dangerous, maybe. Free improvisation is even more. So you're more up to not get good results than getting an environment. I don't know, we could talk more about that. Maybe, thank you. Was there a last one? One more short question. Yeah. Yeah. Free improvisation musicians, when we also had this problem of like, do we project or not project? In the end we decided not to draw attention to the code. But most of the audience members that I spoke to, when we did the performance that gave the feedback that they didn't know what I was doing, and then there was this like real disparity between having some visual feedback from the acoustic musicians and not having the visual feedback that we sent to them on the laptop. Yeah. Yeah, in our first practice where I was using the project, it was like all the musicians were playing, like, what's going on? I never saw this. So yeah, there's this shock factor. It is really huge between the acoustic musicians, of course. And our audience had maybe a boosted shock factor. But yeah, I think, yeah, that's a good question. Maybe the size of the projection also matters. I mean, you don't need to blow up across the whole stage, but maybe just have a little shot of projection so you can pay your attention to it. But I need the pandemic to function here. Yeah. Well, just to really finish that, in the article I also wrote about beats, if I can call it like that, we thought tackling all this, this problem of the lack of interaction or paying attention to my sound and what I was doing, I don't have time to talk about it here, but you should read, it's like fun, at least. And thanks a lot for that. Thank you. I'll move on to the last paper of this session and of this conference, presented by Simone Lee, who got an extensive introduction this morning, and his collaborator, Antonio Capazzo, who is in South Carolina, and is joining us today. Okay. Can you hear me, Antonio? Can you wave your hands to the audience? Cool.  So, I brought you another free software. So, so this is a collaborative work with Antonio Cavagio Jr. and me and my supervisor. Yeah, okay. So, well, basically all the implementation is done by Antonio. So, background is that he's a visiting student from University of São Paulo. He's a computer science PhD student who does computer music, especially network music. And he's the typical type of guy who measured the latency between continents to build the network telematic performances. And then his specialty is in cloud computing. So, he just, he had that, before that he had no idea what live coding is, and he came to University of Michigan and we thought we should do remote live coding performance or do something regarding this and we should write a paper and then this is the result. So, every time you see this awful white slice, that's something that I added to his slice. So, you know, I'm obsessed with this chart and then I'm trying to discuss this, the bottom right part where people are remotely located and then collaboration happening in synchronous fashion. So, remote live coding is not new. There has been a good number of remote live coding performances, one in 2013 in doctoral seminar by Andrew Sarson and Dan Swift. And in this particular conference, we have seen two presentation regarding this remote live coding in Jibber while code state sharing and extramarous that we saw this morning and then we'll see this evening as a performance. So, this is something different. So, we build a package, adam.io package called super compare. So, it's a mix of pair programming plus live coding on super collider and it use cloud service. So, if you're not familiar with adam.io, adam.io is just an editor based on webkit. So, you can freely download the editor and then it has a lot of package that you can install and then any user can create a package so that it will extend the existing editor and it has two great package already called adam pair which is basically you use this adam editor as a Google Doc like thing so you can collaboratively edit at the same time and then you have a super collider package that you can run super collider code on adam editor. And then we just, what we just did is we just merged the two package together. Well, although it's not as easy as merging them together but we basically, functionally, it's the mix of two packages and we use the cloud service called pusher.com which is free cloud service. So, like at the lower engine in local machine, you run super collider engine and you edit code on the adam.io editor and it talks to super copair package and super copair package talks to cloud service called pusher. So, this is the capture of the adam.io editor with the package and you can see two people are connected right now. The person number one you select in this part and then you can see in the other person's view that the other person is selecting this portion, marked by red and you can see the exactly opposite by the blue marked section. So, cloud service called pusher is, you can, it has a free plan so you can use it without paying anything. So, it uses push notification if it mean anything to you. So, it's a push versus poll. So, poll means you're asking the server, is there anything new, is there anything new? If there's anything new, you pull the data from the server. It makes the local client machine busy so I guess it's better to use push. Push means server will push the information whenever there is a new information. For the, I mean, you have a limit that there, you can only have 20 devices per day for the free plan and you can have 100 K messages per day meaning that if you, so it's gonna be one message per letter so if you have 100 letters per line you'll be able to code up to 1000 lines per day. But you can upgrade your plan and then pay more and then upgrade your limit. It's 10 messages per second per device meaning if you're not going to type more than 10 letters per second, I guess it's fine. Antonio did a measurement between two cities, one in Ann Arbor at University of Michigan and one in University of Sao Paulo. The average round trip was 230 milliseconds. I guess it's not close to like real time but it's okay to run remote live coding session to exchange idea to do rehearsal with Skype on because we are just sending small information of code and then the signal of execution, signal of code execution. By default, you will use the Pusher demo key which is, it means free, but you can pay more money and have increased the limit of the cloud service. So this is the diagram of the experiment with it. It's a, he was doing one in Ann Arbor he was, his friend was helping him to run session and the data center of the cloud service is located in Northern Virginia. Cool thing is that if you, this is, I mean, Northern Virginia is the default data center for free plan, but if you upgrade, like you can choose the data center. So if you move to someplace else, you can, I'm sure they have more than 15 data centers. So it could be in Asia or it could be in Norway, it could be in Africa, I guess. So I guess using cloud service, it's nice to run this pair programming, it's easy to set up and you can, you can probably scale to, you can do crowd scale networking. The most important thing is serverless, you don't have to run your own server. The amount of configuration you will need for everyone is amount of configuration you need to create a Google documents, I guess, or slightly less because you need a Gmail account to create a Google documents. Unfortunately, we don't do any synchronization in state or clock. So I guess it has some pros and cons for everyone, it will not support certain kinds of music. But again, because we are running two local machine at the two ends, if you send all the codes to one machine, like all the code that has been evaluated in this local machine will be synchronized so that they will play in sync. But it will not be synchronized with the other machine. So there are three ways to run code. You can select the code and run it. That's default superglider shift and the thing.  So you're gonna run specific code locally or you can choose to run globally. So this is good in a way that you can preview things before you submit it to some other machines. And then if you're sure you can run it globally. But I realized that if you run this and if you run this again, we'll have a two redundant state in my local machine. So we created another command that can run excluding myself. So you can choose to run the command in other machine but not my local machine. So we're gonna do the demo. By the way, the ironically, both of us are not superglider programmers. So I've been learning supergliders since yesterday. Okay, so what I learned yesterday was this and this, no, is it on? It's the one in the middle. Stezzavu, okay. How about we use local speaker? Can you hear something? Okay, although this will help but let's do this. So how you install it is very easy. So you go to setting view and then install just search super compare. And then because you're not installed yet, I mean, you will see this blue thing. That's weird because I tested during the break, giving up my coffee. Okay, cool. So if you want to create a new session, you will need to look up, start a new pairing session and then you'll get a key that you have to give to your collaborators. So I'll just copy this and then we're talking on the Skype. Okay, you'll see your pair buddy has joined the session. Okay, so he's typing some meaningless words. Okay, we know you're from Brazil. Okay, I have no idea what this is, but I'll try it. Okay, so I run it locally. Since he's probably wanting to change something, I'll just create my own line and then, I don't know. Okay, so maybe Antonio, can you run something on my machine so I can stop? Actually, can you run it again? Antonio, can you give me some more sophisticated code than this? I know you don't know how to code in Super Collider. Just give me the set that you have. So I don't know what this is, okay? So I will be able to run globally, meaning that I'm running this here as well as the one machine in Brazil right now. And Antonio, can you stop the sound? Okay, so that's good. Do you have anything else? Okay, so by the way, all the Super Collider users should annoy him so that it will be better. Okay, I have no idea what this is, okay? Probably sounds. What if, what happened if I changed something? So I can run globally, stop locally, stop globally, and so forth. Okay, so I guess that's probably much of it.  So, let's get out of my room. Okay, don't do it. So demo is done. So actually he tested with Super Collider users in a five different city at the same time, one in Michigan, one in California, three cities in Brazil, I don't know how exactly I can pronounce it. São Paulo, Breva, Sierra, I guess. And then we realized that you can do a lot of malicious things in this thing. So you can run a malicious algorithm and try to hurt your colleagues here. So then we added permission control, said that if you add a, so let me, is this me? Okay, so if you go to package and setting, if you check this one, okay. Antonio, can you run anything? Okay, so whenever he asks, run anything, it will ask me if I'm going to allow or not. So if I'm say okay, it will run it. So it's somehow needs some, it's a very preliminary thing, but it's somehow needs permission control. So I'm gonna ignore it. And then he witnessed that a lot of people joined the session. They talked to each other and teach each other and try to collaboratively fix bugs, which is good. So we see actually the effects of para-programming. And we think this is good for the course of rehearsal process where people are remotely located and you don't have to get together in the same place. So there's no server. You don't have any separate computer. You don't need any separate computer for this thing. You just need to download the item editor and install the package. And by default, it will use the demo key. This supposed to be a question mark, I guess, and then send any suggestion to this email. And this is, the package is available at this address or you can just search superprepareatom.io. And I think that's it. Thank you. I'm wondering if it's a co-located performance where you both on stage, would you be able to share a tempo flux, be in precise sync? Speedtweet machines, no. So if you hook up, if you hook up a main speaker into one of the machine, because it's one state in one machine and there is another state in the other machine. If you keep sending from the other machine, it will be in one state, so everything is running in sync. But it will not be synchronized with the other machine. And then in the fact that it will try to talk to the data center in Northern Virginia, you have to just keep that in mind. What's the largest number of users that you have tested at the moment? What's the largest number, Antonia, can you hear? Can you talk? Okay, you cannot talk. As far as I know, 20. Okay, 20 people. Because it allows 20 devices per day by default, I guess it's the... I guess it's the... I guess it's the... I guess it's the... I guess it's the... I guess it's the... Any other questions? Do you guys both hear or do you guys?