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However, they share that time with everyone above and below them Generally Yeah The people from Lesbos are lesbians. Listen guys. Look. They like savings. Okay? Hasn't happened yet it did for Britain. Oh it did. I gotta I know something that could start us off Something a little amusing. I got a I got a text the other day. Hi, and Well, that's a good question. I'm gonna I'm asking the same thing. Here's the text. It's a text from Just some random number it says hi Phyllis. This is him. I have your cheesecake Dude, I knew your name was Phyllis. 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I have your cheesecake Which is enticing to me because I really really know it's one of the top tier dessert I've gotten that one before so it's cool that you've gotten your first one Yeah, I'm initiated now Yesterday I watched two movies and I one of which I hadn't seen before and one that I had All right, and the two movies that I watched were Casablanca, okay, which I've not seen before and I saw Logan's run Okay, now Casablanca was really good. I really liked That's actually not the controversial opinion that I think that move I think Casablanca is like an excellent movie I think I know what the controversial opinion is gonna be now. I've used the process of elimination The controversial opinion, I don't even know if this is controversial or not I guess we'll see but Logan's run is bad and I don't like it. Oh My goodness. Have you have you guys seen Logan's run? I don't think I have. No, I would I it's it's it's probably worth watching.  Yeah. Yeah This idyllic paradise world essentially underneath this massive dome And they get everything they want and everything's amazing and wonderful But when you turn 30 you participate in an event called carousel where you are reborn in fire Right. So once you're 30 you have to get reborn essentially. Okay That's a general premise I I've seen it before Many many years ago and I and I but that was when I was young and dumb And so I rewatched it yesterday and that movie is bad and it needs it needs to remake because the premise is really interesting But I think in practically every way Its execution is bad to mediocre at best mediocre I Don't I don't know if that's controversial or not. I don't know if people have strong opinions on Logan's run, but it's It's bad But it'd be worth a watch. I don't know. Hmm. I thought it was pretty bad I think that it's that's what needs to be remade is these are these old movies that have interesting premises and Interesting ideas and they're just done really poorly remake those movies Yeah, I'm saying whatever that's about mute the video before you get a copyright strike. What video? We they black Adam before Watch it. There's factorial music. It's do thing. It's not why would you even assume that's black Adam music? I'll make another I don't know if this is also controversial But I had no idea if it I had to check the name of our group chat I didn't know if it was black Adam like Adam and Eve or black atom like the particle. Okay Are you going with this? That's all I didn't I didn't I don't know if I'm supposed to know which one it is both seem equally likely to be the case well That's it. Yeah, I You know formatting for this. I don't know whether to do it before or after where we talk about The miserable mess that is DCU and remember Marvel is to they're just different messes We randomly talk about one or the other because they're very funny to look at because they're the most expensive Storytelling shit that's going on in this world some reason They keep making all horrible horrible decisions now whether or not black Adam is a horrible decision is remains to be seen Okay, like calm down. I'm not I'm not jumping ahead. What do you mean? I was I'm just I'm I'm just thinking Is it better to do the movie first or to do the meta first? Let's start. I think we should start with the meta because I think What oh no, no, what happened of your dad or do the meta first my god That's F for meta and press M for movie This will help things organized Receiving enough video to maintain smooth streaming so well do something It's fine. There's something baller. Do something with your video. I want to do stuff. I'm clicking here. I go clickin Chat we load it's on your own something on the screen I mean well the thing is we could just carry on And if it comes back it does if it doesn't it doesn't because it's all recorded anyway So we can just you know the re-upload people are gonna be like get on with it I don't care if the live people heard what you said, which is very mean re-upload people the live people are Sort of when you say the part of the reason why I was saying before after is cuz What what is in this film and have us talk about the future of the DCU? We can't really talk much about that, but we can talk about why this movie was made past. Yes We could because what you know, this is between the lot of us We're gonna be able to piece it all together like detectives, but what was the one before this for DC? This counting Snyder You know in my head for Marvel I lit legit see them as stacking in this big Jenga tower and soul falling part But with DC it's like the suicide squad. I'm like does that count. It's like yes, it counts.  Kandak or would you rather live in Mara Mara pora? Madra pole madra poor madra poor If you're gonna throw it in Would they allow now Listen, I don't have any problem with white people that's very diversity and inclusion But I fear that the Wakandans who are horrifically racist terrible people might have an issue They had Bilbo there and they didn't kill him or anything. They just called him names. Oh, I'll deal with that That's how it starts smaller. That's how well I'll deal with it.  It's better now. I don't know. Let's hope that's good Laying out in the preamble is that black Adam has been in development for a long time like Yes, it is well, so not black Adam specifically but rather that Dwayne Johnson has been going back and forth and whether he wanted to be Shazam or black Adam and Like a film that what may or may not have been happening for a very long time before it got locked in a few years ago Does he have a particular look does he really like this character or I? don't know Because um the So like I don't know how much you know about black Adam rags, but he's basically He's basically I know that he's not your typical hero. Hmm. Well The villain traditionally Basically Shazam's arch nemesis But then he sort of slotted into the role of anti hero at some stage But I mean, you know, that's kind of a question. That's worthwhile.  What's the deal? Um, and I imagine that the deal is it's Dwayne Johnson. He wants to be the lead as opposed to The antagonist in another film, which I think he's upset that he couldn't be Superman Well, I mean black Adam is not quite Superman like I guess power sets are kind of similar, but like Yeah, I power wise he's very close it seems he just shoots lightning instead of laser beams That's that's one of them big differences Yeah, depending on your nudity this that's a huge or tidy difference But black Adam what a what a flim Well, I guess in terms of its place in this universe and like the preamble The DCEU is is not what one would consider a tremendous success I What would you it's gonna be called a success. I don't know I don't know if it could at this point too many of those films haven't made like money When I say the DCEU puts the Stuxon success Like it's I would go as far as saying it failed successfully like that's how it feels It's just like a celebration where it's like congratulations. You managed to make it over the finish line of failure Let's put let's put it this way the only reason why the DCEU isn't over is because it's superheroes So like this there's an intent in the desire to keep it going when if any other series had had this many failures Critically and commercially it'd be done Like because this is the 11th film and and how many of them could like honestly be said to be like good Well, you suggest the suggesting part of it is like relying on Marvel pushing it all forward as well as the Matter yeah, like Warner Brothers would never want to let it die because it presents their best opportunity to Franchise something because nobody this is it right like there's Marvel which Disney owns and then there's a There's a DC which is owned by Warner Brothers universal doesn't have this like Paramount doesn't have this I Can't believe I'm forgetting the fifth one Ah Big movie studio the major ones Fox No, we're foxes Disney now. So What am I what am I? That's Papa Jones. Oh, Sony yes, Tony and Sony is trying to make their own like spider-man universe basically right like they It's we're in an era where it seems like what the studios really want is franchises because franchises are In some sense instead of having to go out on a limb and create something totally new that people may or may not respond to You can leverage something that you know has some level of interest Straightaway, that's why they're never gonna give up on making DC films ever But then the problem is that that attitude has been like we got to keep going with what we what we have And it's led to this incredibly incoherent universe where like you don't even know who's participating in it anymore in terms of actors You don't know like if they're blending unit like what's the deal in terms of blending in old universes that they had Like bringing in Michael Keaton Batman, of course when projects get canceled a couple of months before they come out That's it's still a lot of confidence of people in terms of like the longevity of like following through on any sort of road map But the reality is there probably hasn't been a road map. It's like this shambling mess on life support That like has taken consistently taken injuries that cannot be fixed with surgery And so like he's got broken bones and he's bleeding out of his eyes And he's like crawling forward and nobody like it. That's it. He has to keep going Yeah, these are strings are attached drag him across the floor Because I think that there was fundamentally there seems to be refusal to entertain what I I don't know what everybody would think here The reality that you need to do a hard reboot Yes, God fucking yes Yeah, you might agree with that meme like it's it's um, you've got a universe that a lot of things have already been wasted and Squandered that a lot you're all of your A-listers. Yeah, there's a lot of things in squandered. It's like what hasn't been squandered That's true, right? It's like you've had a few things that come along to I Mean, I don't think it's any surprise that the Batman which is a film that is totally separate from all of this Like benefits great like a stronger and even that film I think probably got hurt to some degree by a level of Damage that's been dealt to DC as a brand that like that that didn't make a billion dollars is not not like awesome It's it was super successful, but Batman right and even like Batman has been hurt to some extent by what I would imagine is a level of broader brand damage to DC and the damage being that Marvel I think has a reputation for being reliable. I don't think that they should have that anymore But I think that they still got that to some extent like there seems to be this reputation that at the very least should be Entertained again after phase four. I don't think that that's the case But like they have that going for them and I think that they have like a sense of it's never gonna end Maybe that will come under a bit of like challenge if there's like more and more and more like, you know Looking forward at the box office of upcoming films But DC doesn't really have that DC's in a place where people don't really know what is or isn't continuity Or like which characters even exist in this world anymore And like that seems to be something that's really important to being able to maintain like a long-term like multi-movie franchise like Marvel So yeah DC's not in a very good place and now comes along black Adam Spearheaded by Dwayne Johnson with a lot of new elements in it And seemingly as part of the marketing material a This being an important film in terms of determining what the future of DC looks like because it makes a lot of money Dwayne Johnson can leverage more of that because of a lot of it would stem from him I would imagine to steer the direction of this universe if it doesn't who knows He's probably like when they have this face me and like you can have my star power, but in exchange I'm I'm gobbling up a decent portion of this gonna be my big next project. I want an MCU God help us all Because he never would have been He probably wouldn't have been if he was to join the MCU with whatever hero They're not gonna give him much of a slice. Hi. I'll have a boss not If he spearheads the DC you and gets it in any way shape or form close enough to the MCU's success Then you'll have a big old pizza all to himself. It'll be great Yeah, pretty much a big fish in a small pond And so even if uh black adam isn't super successful, you'll probably just feel like all right What we do it next like how many times have they Had full starts anyway I don't know Every time Pretty much every time Yeah Well, uh, what how do we want to go about doing this? Do we want to have a quick thing of everyone's quick thoughts on The darkness of adam and what they feel to him Sure, um Did more just yorda we boring you sir? I have been up for a very very long time.  Anyway black adam, uh, it's a movie. Who's gonna first? Let's go. Um All right, you don't need to get political. Jeez I just I figure you know, we usually go left to right. Let's mix it up Sure fine meme Suppository you can go Sure sure, um So so so black adam it was in fact another dce you film and everything that that means So, uh, you know take of that what you will it's you know, it's very style over substance It's a film that doesn't like to stay still for very long It's in many ways.  Um, it was There was a lot of montages and speedy expositionary narration that seemed to just Signpost we don't want to stay with characters or story very long.   We've got to stop for a while. No, let's go back to it. That's kind of how I felt watching it um so the rock Was despite him being the big selling point of this film was quite terribly miscast, um as teth adam He like I don't know.  He's just the rock and when he's Everyone in the past had the rocks accent. We know this from historical documents True true accents weren't invented until like 2000 ad Yeah, yeah, I I read that in the bible um and Like the the film keeps going on about how angry Black adam is yet all of the rocks delivery is so flat and subdued and he kind of acts like an autistic robot For most of it or like an alien that came down to earth and doesn't quite know how the human work Um, which is like partially a writing problem partially a performance problem It's kind of a both kind of feed into each other Which kind of leads into my next thing which is the diet the dialogue is really bad In this film it is very on the nodes very baby's first drama And it's not helped by the fact that this film is Overstuffed they had about three films They had about three films worth of material in here and they didn't and all they really wanted to focus on was the action potential For all of it. Um, I wouldn't call it snider levels are bad because that's like a new dimension of Misery but like it's it's about if we go by the gradient of bad of the dceu Um, this is about in the middle for me though. Maybe I can be swayed either way like i'm still Marinating on it.  You've never seen anything like this And i'm just thinking like okay. What do we have in this universe? We've had edgy gritty killy superman edgy gritty killy batman Rapey rapey wonder woman And then the rest of it is focusing on anti-heroes and villains and stuff also aquaman and flash in there somewhere Well, I mean aquaman like genocide did a whole bunch of He killed hannurai stavies and remember wonder woman fucking crushed the skulls of her enemies on wall Seriously, if anything black adam what he like vaporizes someone is like, well, that was kind of you compared to what the others do Yeah, so Like this is not any this is actually pretty par for the course as far as like the kind of hero they focus on Which kind of shows that a bit out of touch with their own universe, which is bad So yeah, that's my that's my thoughts. Um beyond what i'll share later, but uh, yeah, that's Some paul's So when you asked When you asked what do we think about black adam? Were you asking about the movie? Or were you asking about the character movie? Oh, okay, so I saw black adam Uh, it's not terrible, but it's definitely not good. I don't feel um I don't feel strongly about it in any way whatsoever I come away from a movie like this being very apathetic There's nothing really in this movie that I particularly care about nothing that really grabs me. There's nothing I found really Really interesting. There's maybe a couple slight exceptions I was just not really I wasn't bored while I was watching it and I've watched it one time and I wasn't even bored But I wasn't wasn't gripped by it Um, so I just I really don't have anything strong in particular to say Uh, though that might of course change As we have our discussion here All right, wait does that mean I'm next? Yeah, go for it. Um, I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep it real short I because I agree with lovo. So it's already been said. I think it's bad. I like the though All right fringy I I enjoyed it, but it's not good pretty much. It's uh It is not particularly well written Um, it's got a lot of problems, but there are certain elements of it that I enjoy and that I think are okay um The most the the main one being pierce brosnan is dr. Fate. That's probably my favorite part of the film Like my favorite character in the film and my favorite element. I also kind of like talk man Um, I don't have that much to say on why I liked anything in particular. Yeah, it's uh I don't know exactly where it would sit in terms of the dce you qualitatively um But yeah, I enjoyed it, but it's not good That's my take don't you don't need to write more. That's okay. You don't need to write more. It's fine You can stop now I you don't need to you can if you want it's just you know, yeah capital Ah, this movie is not very good at all if this was if they hoped that this would be a sort of reset for the dce you this isn't it um in my opinion this feels Maybe slightly better, but definitely in the same, you know family the same world as the previous dce you movies It's not very good I think what interesting ideas that were there to be explored were not done very well. It's a very confused movie Uh thematically and symbolically The action was Fine. It's fine. They kind of washed over me. I wasn't especially gripped by any of the action Uh, they do not do the man out of time Stuff with the rock very well at all No, not even a little bit. There's there's a joke or two that made me kind of laugh um That's about it as far as his character um And I think above all the fact that the we'll talk more about this Of course, but the fact that they try to paint him as oh, he's you know, he's not he's not a superhero He's like uh more edgier I just find that very very cringe and not well supported by what happens At all or by what happens in the previous movies in What this is the wrong franchise to have that kind of marketing. It doesn't wait. Yes. It's very very bad choice. Um There's some really bad world building. There's some I don't know very uh like Oh, there's some really bad performances not just from the rock But like there's a little kid in the movie who's especially bad. Yeah um Pierce Brosnan is good. He lends it a sort of uh Gravitas that is missing more legitimacy Yeah There are some funny lines from a couple funny characters and that's cool. I guess This has some of the worst Music and soundtrack choices I've seen in a film since maybe 2016's Uh the Suicide Squad Um very bad use of music. No good. Oh, you mean like do you mean the use of the score or the use of uh More specifically the soundtrack, but I did not think the score was great either But the soundtrack was especially Agreed just in my opinion Funnily enough I remember I told ball of this when I walked out of the theater after watching the film I was whistling black atoms theme. I kind of like it. I kind of like his theme I don't remember it, but I wouldn't necessarily knock the score as much as some of the I know what you talked about. It was uh, it was when they it was it was back in black Oh, wait. No, not back in black. Um, the what's uh, I'm mixing black and back painted black Uh the bullet with butterfly wings by smashing pumpkins. That was really get it At all I really like that song.  No, it's like Isn't another one as well That pops up when he attacks the bass. It's the exact same thing as the painted black thing. It's such a different song Yeah, it was like the saint's roy three song, right? Yeah, that's why I knew that for all my think. Yeah It's very it's very much like the no, sorry suicide squad In that it makes me hate all the songs. I used to really like Because he was so sad That's what button is. Yeah So I would say this is Par for the course or maybe slightly better than the rest of the dceu, but if it is better, it's not by much And that's I I would be I think I feel like I would say that it's It's we can't forget how bad some of these foes are Hey, look, hey, look, this is the fun part where we're all gonna go through this and I I've already got a Shit ton of arguments for how shit this is but also for how it's actually kind of redeemable So looking forward to what we conclude by the time we go through all of it because Superman lays at a bunch of embryos to death I feel like black adam is I'm never gonna have that problem. The bar is low. That is true Even though they try to make him more villainy Less villainy than superman Doesn't think if they even tried to have black adam do that the rock would be like I'm not doing that. I'm not a bad guy You know, I'm not actually bad. Yeah, I'm not actually I'm gonna market myself as being a bad boy, but I'm not actually Yeah, that requires some level of commitment and moral dubiousness, which I don't really want to commit to It's still unbelievable. By the way, krypton had his chance. What he says before doing that Jesus Christ Bastille, what a legendary movie Do you know I used to just tell people that movie was fine and cool because I didn't remember it Anyway, uh, yeah, so we'll just get started up We'll we'll we'll do is as we just go scene by scene sort of but there's no visual aid I'm afraid guys because this this movie is just not out, you know There's hot off friends don't have to use your imagination. We'll have to use our storytelling skills to get you in I thought no, you you you can't have our friends at rush bet I love those guys So, yeah, we uh, I thought it was kind of funny. I was I was when I was watching this We were sort of just like smiling the idea of we tried to introduce this whole new set of like law Basically like before Rome Babylon or the pyramids there was conduct and I was already like Ah, the marvel have done this like 17 times in phase four. Yeah. Yeah Turns out there isn't this entire grand civilization that we made Yeah, by the way, just not enough with the exposition like narration that ends This little prologue it only is here to serve as exposition. I think that's part of what was making me speak I was just like, all right DC. What have you got now?   Let's sure I'm sure wouldn't want that to happen This is one of those out of that happen. This one is pump the brakes guys. Like what do you mean use dark magic? Like what is that? That's just a thing for okay fine You just you know using your dark magic But you can't make the crown of Sabaq that is by the way infused with the power of six demons of the ancient world Oh my god, this is getting worse by the minute. I thought that was a hilarious line This the power the six demons of the east because it's the six you do is the six demons of the ancient world This is you know Each one of those seven demons from Shazam Seven demons the ancient ones. It's like this other guy who's like, yeah odd number I was here known really remembers me. That's all right Yeah, it's supposed to reflect the the the friendly wizard people the the evil demon people now Which you'd know if you'd watch Shazam rags.  God No, no, what's wrong with you? That's true because I was told Shazam was great and I watched it with metal and we're both like this was shit So that'll you guys will get covered to that one day at some point That's a spicy take. It is a spicy take, but it'll be completely confirmed because I'm sorry. Okay. There's some funny and quicky things in the movie. I'll give you that All right. I agree with the sentiment that it's a cool Like When people when it came out everybody's like, oh man finally a great dc film nobody talks about it like presently Not really. No. Yeah Not in the same way that people will continuously reference like guardians for the mcu, you know Yeah, exactly. So Before we go too far with the opening exposition and narration sequence Uh, did anyone else find the line the very first self governing people? weird Like what did people do? Yeah, because well they It's supposed to be there's this element throughout the film of their fighting for their freedom from the People around them So are they saying that up to that point? It was always like some form of collective was would have a leader. They were leaderless, but like happy And I guess I guess point that they're trying to say is it's like the first civilization But the problem is that it's not old enough for it to be the first civilization Self governing meaning first civilization that doesn't have a definitive ruler Uh What was the apparatus by which they could have somebody become king? That's kind of what my point is that he's saying like the first self governing people on earth.  We've got a new we've got vibradium agad Another one of those another another maguffin metal, which I don't really do anything with how they don't Half and half. It's like Adam once. I think that's they do some stuff with it. That's plot relevant I I mean, I don't know I I wouldn't even determine whether or not it's worthwhile by how many times they use it exactly but You know, we get there's some stuff that we'll go over Wake up a night. I mean to be fair the crown is made out of it, right? So You know, uh, yeah, the crown is yeah the crown is Yeah, so anyway Then to get the eternium he enslaved all the people in kandak to to mine it as best as they can and then They can collect it all up and make a big old crown and then he can become the demon prince of the six demons of the Ancient dark magic world and become the crown of sabbakh. I don't know It's all like a power thing.  That's what he's up to And it's really sad and then we we we meet up this this is because there's a slave who manages to mine And he's he finds he's got a bit of eternium.    If I don't do this correctly Well, so it makes the kandakians look kind of You know vicious Well, I guess maybe you're desperate. It makes way less sense in about one more minute that are Yeah So, yeah, they're they're obsessed to that point. They don't want it, but luckily before a fight breaks out Some kid is like, let's not fight everybody Let's not do that Don't say yeah, he tried to hide it.  If this is etanium.   Is that a really bizarre incentive structure that we'll get to in a minute. Yeah Yeah incentive structure is the way to put it Um But yeah, the kid breaks it up, which is great. I guess they all really respect him and appreciate what he has to say He's a very uh Assertive young man. I'm very happy that he was there in that one.  They do. Yeah, they do give up pretty quick. He must be. Yeah He must be extremely persuasive. He must have rolled very high on that charisma check because everyone's is like Because if it was some guy that like everyone was partial friends with a respected some village elder Even you'd be like, oh, I can kind of see if it's like it's just some kid. He's all right fine uh The kid is just like, yeah chill out. We gotta we can we'll we'll do the thing We got to do which is you take your attorney him to the local slave driver man and be like, hey, hey attorney him Do I get my reward? That's that's how that works.    I don't want to have any intention drawn to me whatsoever Even though it is extremely beneficial for the person in charge Yeah, no it's stupid in many ways Yeah, I it's that it falls into that trope umbrella of bad guy kills his own men You have this just such an annoying trope Yeah, it's this needlessly pointless cruelty That is counterproductive not even unnecessary. It's just totally counterproductive where you're you're essentially punishing people Who want to be rewarded in some way for giving you something that is of extreme and incredible importance So you kill them just to show that now these guys are bad These are the bad guys when we when they get toasted later You won't feel bad about that at all and if you want to argue No, they usually give rewards. This was the one time what they did. It's like, why ever do it? There's never worse.  Why would I do that?    We'll see what we can do But this is not acceptable anymore slave drivers gut you and throw you off a cliff like just let us know Yeah, um, really really bad start. I was like, oh god Like doing that thing already. Boo Said several reasons Um, yeah, and then the the kid's dad or the kid nearly gets in trouble and the dad shows up He's like, oh, sorry. My kids were taught it. This is fine. Don't worry about it. Yeah And then leaves and he's like kids you got to keep your head down You got to not be a hero and then the kid's like well if we had more heroes we could have freedom Freedom This is to me. I was just like, yeah, all right Fine, I guess It's gonna be black out of at some point. I guess you'll big and rock-ish Big and rock-ish is Yeah, that kind of accurately describes him.  And and then uh, he like manages to outsmart all the guards and they're all like falling over each other Trying to capture him until he gets to the top of the little hill and he's like rejoice everyone I am holding the attorney. I'm and they all like they're all like cheering And then he gets taken away for execution, which is what I was expecting would happen I wasn't sure what was going on You know, it's like I did it. Yeah, you you you grabbed it So that you could run away a bit And then he's trying to give him hope. He's like I'm I'm holding the rock of the souls of evil. Look, here's the thing that's Here's the thing that's gonna give the tyrant king's like invincibility. I have it everyone What's the connection with Eternium and the evil demons of the underworld the 16 because you know, it was really well explained in rings of power How mithril is both good and evil because of balrog and a prince A tree that was hit by lightning because it's strong and unyielding like evil. Yes. Yes, but in this they don't really give you much in terms of just It's a material that the real the evil people want you to make a crown out of Okay, it's kind of kryptonite a little bit sometimes. Yes, there is a moment kind of vibranium other times kind of You know, it's a conductor of evil energy Yeah Think about that. Yeah, it seems to be only evil. I don't know if the good guys can make use of it It doesn't seem like they can in the movie today Um, they don't make use of it. No, but they should because it's incredible and it can make you do some incredible things As we see and it's the only thing that seemingly can kill black adam. So Might want to hang on to it um So yeah, he does that and he's taken away and then they're about to kill him and the wizards from shazama like Shazama And they they snatch him up and they give him powers And then it ends with the like he then took out the king and all was well in kandak And it's it's very much like hmm. That was a bit of a rushed ending. I wonder if there's more to that Oh, maybe there will be But then they like fast forwarded today and kandak has been taken over by like international mercenaries. It was like, oh And that's why they're playing the first song national pumpkins and like The inter gang occupy kandak with tech that can like make them teleport and crank up to speeds on little Flying motorcycles that are basically Astrid and like it's inhuman. I don't think you can survive it even if We'll get to that pretty it's quite something to just introduce into the world that there's there's international mercenaries so powerful that they could control an entire country and that they have essentially Magical technology It's seriously they just dump all of this on you I have to tell you that there's demon princes that are trying to get a crown From a particular bloodline in order to Raise hell on earth or something. It's just like, oh my god. What are you doing? All at once. Yep, it's all done done Elements but they're like significant in terms of implications on a world that hasn't acknowledged the existence of kandak Or the fact that it had like a great champion in the past who had superpowers Or yeah, that you've got like a private military company that's taken over at a sovereign state Yeah, yeah, none of that like the the military Mercenary people taking over this sovereign state. That's not clear at all.  It's like what what should we call ourselves? We're very inclusive and diverse I don't think if you're operating at that level, I feel like you're not calling yourself something gang Don't know gang gang It's like, um, when uh in uh, what is it? I think it's just like when When a wonder woman grabs that guy the terrorist and it has the lasso of truth around him And she says who are you like what do you work for whatever he says? We're a gang of reactionary terrorists. Like I don't think you would describe yourself that way if you were in that group I don't know if you were an international gang. Yeah, I don't know an international gang of mercenaries Oh, that was brilliant So we zoom into like a uh a little part of kandak where there's a check going for the vehicles This vehicle check they I guess the inter gang check your vehicle for um Stuff, I don't I'm not even sure I don't know what their laws are but they they you can't be smuggling something Start certain things and um as he's doing it a little kid tries to go past the guy on a skateboard and uh That that kid is is actually the person who narrated the opening And I think just from those few bits of narration. He did rags. You're already like why is this terrible actor speaking? It was one of my first if not the first criticism I made was as all of this backstory was being introduced.   I don't know we can call him something.  Well, then you'd like it because it's longer. No, that's not how long works How does it work? If you use the self-having here, I remind you of I'm thinking of ending things That movie was long Was it long or did it just feel like it went on forever?   I think that the dialogue is a little bit cringe in universe is kind of what I'm getting at Yeah, it is cringe in universe. It's cringe in all universes across the multiverse I am saying universe multiversal constant that I actually retract the criticism is what I'm trying to get at That it was gross, but then I was like, oh, I guess that's maybe how that character would say and what he would do when his mom is Like obsessed with this Yeah Well, yes, the movie definitely agrees with his sentiment, but I can just say like I I'm saying that It lines up that he'd probably say all that shit basically Yeah, I get what you mean.  Why would you do this?  I shouldn't go up and just harass them constantly Especially if I come through this checkpoint over and over And I have to deal with him again the next time I want to go this way Makes a very conscious decision in relation to their fates In about half an hour from now in movie So Yes, he does You know, he's an interesting little character My kid We'll see about that. We'll continue. He'll get back to him But now so His ranting ends up being a distraction What is not clear to me is whether the distraction was on purpose I think he they didn't want him to get involved in any of this He did that on his own volition and it helped and so he knew that was them Yeah, the guys and he knows all the guys in the car, right?  Yeah, she says that one to one. That's the dialogue She has a necklace One of them is like wow, that would be with a lot of money. Is it is it magical? And she's like, no, it's unrefined a turnium I remember thinking like it will be it will be magical when we refined it. I this remain I just like what what what are you is it is it magic? Or is it tech not until it's not until it's refined If you ask somebody if something is magic and they say no, it's not refined The implication is that when you refine it, it will become magical Yeah, it is. I was very just like, okay Like whatever let's just keep going because I don't know what that's supposed to mean I'm sure it'll come up in a moment So, um, yeah, the the mining operation is like huge I guess they're looking for the a turnium as much as they can to build another crown I I or because she's currently looking for the old crown So that was mentioned in the opening But they're all there to mine a turnium to make stuff and things they can't make another crown But they do want the crown Right Yeah, well what I'm trying to say is like, couldn't they just make another crown? It's like, oh, maybe they don't have the crown blueprints. They don't So the magic is lost. I don't know I thought that was mining the a turnium because it was like It's just a good resource, but like But their leader wants the crown right leader man wants the crown Is yeah I think you have to assume that they couldn't just take all the a turnium They have powering their magical bikes and make a crown out of that that somehow they don't have That's what I'm saying. Like I guess they just don't know how to make the crown Yeah, they don't have the magics. I guess some people saying like there's only one crown, right? And it's like, well, I don't know is there is can you make more than one crown or are you not allowed? Whatever It's fine multiple crowns. Can you yeah, can you just it's like a video game?  So you're all invincible just crank out those crowns Um, so a group of heroes reach I don't even know if there are heroes at this point. It's kind of unclear She says we're trying to get to the crown Because it's so powerful and then some other guys like so powerful So so who should have it and then she's like no one should have it We need to we need to find it so that we can make it so that no one has it Uh, you know, like put it in a secret place and ditch some way maybe Okay Um, it's it's kind of weird thinking back on the character.    We haven't gotten just sighted at all. So boo We haven't but it's just once once she mentioned that it's like, yeah that she wouldn't even consider using the crown It's like that's interesting considering how she I'd say even more layers of weird because this has nothing to do with kandak situation This is just another thing. She's up to she just wants to make sure no one can find this crown because it's powerful That's got nothing to do with her goals politically It just so happens that this facilitates something for her. Uh, it's very strange when you zoom out and you know how the whole film goes This is just a side quest. She's got going about the crown A side quest that ends up becoming the main quest. Oh for sure. Yeah So she she's walking through and she she's finds some stuff to read and and she just Picks a random thing and just starts reading. She says men were given the gift of magic But their hearts were too easily corrupted The ultimate power was banished from the earth and hidden until now Men they've had magic beforehand.  I mean, I was gonna say like Men were given the gift of magic. Is she referring to Eternium? Uh, maybe is she talking about the wizards the shazam wizards. That's so this is my issue like Is Eternium magic and if yes, then Uh, it's only in conduct, but then that discounts all the other magical creatures that exist in the dcu already And if it is known that Eternium is magic, why aren't the justice league? Why aren't they? Like or the justice society Everybody the rest of the world is a wall are obsessed with Eternium.  Yeah And she likes I mean and remember like the enchantress that was like hyper magic, right? Yeah in the first Like yeah, just just trying to Lay out some form of a timeline here. Like it's been Eternium is amazing and it's been around forever And no one gives a shit Even though You can make flying motorcycles that can like teleport in super speed across the planet to china Yeah In in uh in marvel like at the very least vibranium was like an element that was acknowledged pretty early on Of course, there's still plenty of problems with yeah, this is interesting Wakanda and everything But like at the very least it was at least unnamed elements that was like relevant to the story before The doors got sort of blown open with uh black panther like with introducing that here It's just come out of nowhere. It's it's totally new So anyway, you know lady guy one and guy two guy two goes missing guy one's like i'm gonna go find him and then guy two comes back And guy one's missing now and it's like wait what happened to guy one And then we see the guy one was thrown off something and he lands and he's like bleh and nearly dead and it's like Oh, no, and then when she asked guy two what happened to guy one. He's like he went to get some fresh air Like oh you killed him. I guess it's the implication. So guy two is actually bad guy Yeah And guy one is now dead is and all we got left. There's also chungus guy in car. He's he's also there. He's uncle chungus Oh, i like uncle chungus. I i he is henceforth uncle chungus I'm okay with that. Yeah, uh, so and with that i i approve so then um There are uh, she finds crown the crown is just it's just this room and there's two rocks and the crown is between them floating And it's kind of like oh Okay, that's there. There it is um Uh, they're they're reading some stuff around the area and she spots something that says speak not his power So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity Now before you say anything I just want to read that again speak not his power. So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity Without any context. What would you conclude from that if you were reading it? And that's just death, isn't it like Uh, he's either dead or equivalent of dead, but he can be revived if you speak his power Yeah, so actually what I was aiming for was just oh man But whoever wrote this Once this other person to suffer The word suffer is in there And then suffer which is odd considering what we later discover about who arranged this Well, that's not where I was going with that actually. So she says I think suffer is I think suffer also will mean allow, right? Oh um So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity So to it like to allow or to permit something. I know what you're you're saying but I do not suffer I do not suffer a witch to live do not allow a witch to live or permit a witch to live Suffer also means those things so it gets a bit of a pass if I I think it technically gets one But suffer is strong language So well, so we have the context to know that the person who inscribed that legit wants him to suffer Because they think of him as like an awful awful person, right? Um Kind of but a dreamless sleep is essentially putting someone on pause. So that's not suffering And if they wanted to torture wouldn't be dependent on the wizards definition of that Uh, I suppose technically but that would be a bizarre form of torture to literally make it to where they're not feeling anything or even Even are in a state of really knowing that they even exist Like anesthesia But like I I guess so but I don't yeah It could be but I don't think it's just keep in mind vengeful wizard man put him here and Wants him to stay here and the message is what i'm trying to really get at is that message sounds like a deterrent of sorts slash a warning slash a Explanation of there's a person here and they should be here I mean the the command is speak not his power Like the and then so that he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity The fact that that's a condition at all that he has a release condition Yeah, instead of we'll be the ones to decide when he Has been on pause for long enough. We had in any case Telling somebody who shows up.  That would be bad If you did that I guess maybe they wrote it as a reminder for themselves I swear to god How do we get him out?   I was I was being I was being a little bit Um No, it was a genuine question because I I went to say stretch too But then I was like wait extreme stretch Like you would have to like if you if she came up to me and said oh this means if we're there and she reads that inscription and says Rags who because you're you're with me here. We're buds. I this means do not so yeah, that's that's that That means that was kandaks hero.  Is is here and that it says speak not his power so you may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity that just to me I'm just like that Especially this is where the crown was the crown Yeah, this could be the king It could be the entity itself the evil entity is locked here. Yeah So, yeah, I thought it was really strange I It's funny because yeah, we all said it's a stretch, but really it's like a total non sequitur. Yes, like it's it's totally unrelated I Another thing that's odd about it to me is that she's surprised the fact that they had a hero is real Even though it's a legend that she's clearly aware of and there's a statue based after him But like I guess hypothetically she didn't know if that was real or just a myth But she's not surprised at all that the crown is real and just floating here. Yeah That's a good point That's not that weird, but oh my god. They did have a hero. Oh my gosh The reason I guess she says it isn't because she was prompted by that line It's so that he can say the line in response, which is um, if he's a hero then why why did they bury him here? You know because he's not like other heroes Exactly because the film tries to play for a little bit with the idea that he's the hero that everyone foretold He's the but he keeps you know every time that's brought up. He's like, hmm Yeah, it's a fair question to ask if he's a hero. How come he's how come he's buried here? I think there are plenty of reasons one could have buried him there as an actual hero I think it's weird. I think so too after the message is read Yeah, um, and yeah, it's just a prompt him to say that to make us go. Oh, look They're saying you're grandpa superman This is this is black adam.  So she grabs the crown You'll murder on the whim of a child Look at them But then mercenaries arrive. Oh, no, they're all here and they've got a Uncle chongus is a brother. So they're like, we're gonna shoot him unless you Give up the crown five four three two one and then she goes wait And then she she gives the crown and I did think it was it got a smirk out of me that he was like You let them get to one Because I agree with him I would be like if you're gonna give it up Why the hell did you cut off at one? Jesus he's gonna do that He's gonna do that dick thing that villains do where before they get to the end of the countdown they shoot anyway um I just I I think it's more common that they actually do countdown, but then they don't shoot at one They they for some reason they say one and wait Yeah, well because you have to get from one to zero because the countdown ends at zero So there's you got to cross from you got to get to the one and then you got to be surprised How many villains don't follow that rule there are some out there? You're wrong. You're wrong. You don't you don't have to say zero the shot is the zero Yeah, the shot is the zero, but they're counting down in between the one and the zero But not not they're not saying point seven point six point five. Yeah, it's It's implied by the pause between one and the gunshot. I need to make a school for villains. Yes I need to start a I need this Like a a doctor professor rags's College for the nefariously inclined or something like that Oh, well, it's tell them how to be generally nefarious interesting You bring up villains doing doing silly villain things because They've won now. They've got the crown.      Why don't you just shoot them right now? I have a gun.  But he's just like no that that doesn't make any why would I shoot? No, I'm gonna put them in a elaborate Trap that involves mutated ill-tempered seabass And like that's going on then the doors start to close because you're not you're not going to watch You're not going to make sure that they died. He says no, I'm going to assume it all worked out Why would I assume it goes wrong?   We'll watch them. No worries. E-found movies I said Cad Bane should take villain advice from rags.  He would like all of the empire. I need to have a big just a big online Class so that all of them can tune in like all right first first rule before you do any villainy basic marksmanship Uh So, yeah, she she looks down and she just reads it and it says mightiest of mortals gods of god of god six Immortal elders by name shazam And then he gets woken up So if they just shot her or if they dropped it to a different area Then there'd be no movie or if they just turned her the other way and he was between it's Uh, it's just the Yeah, it sucks. All right.    He knows about the shazam stuff and he knows What does he know And why wouldn't he have desperately wanted to prevent He would he if he knew about it.    Um He instantly kills everyone, which is like the first guy.  I don't know.  It's like what why did you do that? Why actually Even even by the time I finished the movie What did he know about that scenario when he was spawned there?    He's so evil He just melted that man. Oh my god. He instantly killed someone. But yeah, but uh, the why though And again, you get the whole vibe of like I get it. He's not like Yeah, he's sure is bad.  Here he goes Why wouldn't he assume that they are the ones that awoke him? I don't know that he's very I don't know even when they're shooting their guns at him And it's just bouncing off and having like zero effect. You'd think It wouldn't it be more fun for him to be like what Just like he has no like he doesn't he has any concept for this is like you're showering me with pieces of Hard stuff that I don't know what is this like is this worship? I don't what is happening He's not very inquisitive. I would say Well, he just the way they do is he seems to understand he says like immediately your magic is weak And it's like well, why would you interpret it as damage if if it does zero damage instead of anything? I don't know Fine, I guess He's just clicking on real fast He knows what's going on. I guess he knows that that was supposed to kill him, but didn't somehow Sure, well, and then then a rock nearly falls on the lady and he saves her as well and it's like so He's managed to discern a difference between this group of people as well Well, yeah, he looked at their skin color. Oh Because they were all like british as well. Those may have seen me, aren't they? For being someone who lived he must if this is before the pyramids he must be God like one two three Five thousand years old or something crazy like that. He's extremely accepting of different cultures and races He also I guess that gives him an excuse to not say the n-word though Because that's what you really want to do if you want to show that your character is edgy have him say the n-word and then I'll I'll believe you But rags, how would he know what the n-word is? That's what I'm saying. He gets a pass He gets the n-word But his n-word past is that he's excused for not saying it It's it's not that he was allowed to black out him. You see he breaks all the rules Um, so then they're like send everything back up wise Okay, and then black out and just sort of walks out of the mountain Did you oh, did you say um if that one soldier knew who this was why did they even bother trying to Oh, well, I I mean I can understand a panicked guy Who doesn't know what's going on calling in back up, I guess But like the main leader man. Yeah, he should probably be like everyone stop This this person is literally like superman. There's no point But he didn't say anything so I don't know Uh, maybe you're still trying to come across as not evil so he couldn't give orders Even though he gives that up pretty quick.  It looks pretty dumb Yeah It's just I know that the he's invincible. There's nothing they could do He could effortlessly kill all of them and I just I'm like, oh, I kind of feel bad for all these soldier guys Like I'm not convinced that they're bad They're just like I don't even it's kind of And he's just just wiping them out. I'm like, oh man these poor guys But oh boy, I agree with that.  They're they're attacking everybody.  I don't know. I guess Yeah, I guess they sort. Yeah, I guess, you know, they could yeah So it's boring either way. It was uninteresting. I know that scene was supposed to show how incredibly cool He is but it's just Part of what makes it goofy I found was his expressions throughout the whole scene They're like he was kind of like confused. Yeah, he looks confused curious sometimes He kind of knows exactly what to do with rockets and stuff exactly totally I don't get the sense at all And that's kind of confusing with the like isn't this badass with a guy who's like, huh? Okay, oh, we'll put this here. Hmm. What? Oh, there they go. Haha. You're dead And then just oh, sorry, he never moves this fast again in the movie No, well, I think he I think he does I think he does Uh a couple of times there are times where he should have and doesn't we'll get to them as well. Yeah, right. Yeah.  Uh, I feel bad because I like this on a lot, but It is our views. Yep. Not only that, but they kind of they they butcher the song in the actual edit Oh, yeah, they mix it down into whole sections.  Yeah Like black ops the series has used a lot of songs That just have the word black in them because it's like I see black ops Because I'm pretty sure they use this for one of the trailers this song. That's like I see. Yeah black ops I know I kind of like it. I don't like it here Westwild was recently cancelled season one had a cover of paint it black It was like piano. I liked that. That was nice. That's pretty cool It's a make it's a really good end credits song to full metal jacket. That's probably the best use of it in the movie as far as I'm concerned Great. Oh, that must have a really long wikipedia list, right?  I think that's in the trailer um This is kind of a fun joke Yeah, that was uh, there there's there's a number of mildly amusing things in this movie Like they'll get us they'll make you go. Hmm. They like smile a little bit, but Yeah, and then Uncle Chungus is like look out and uh guy fires a rocket with the tourney and flames in it And it actually fucks black Adam up And the first thought everyone has is Okay, why didn't you open with it? That was that that was what I said when we watched it. I was like, oh, yeah, you should have you should have started with this So what you should have begun the engagement with Especially if you knew that this was what you're gonna be potentially fighting I think why didn't you open with that?  Because because the fight scenes got to start out in a particular way and end in a particular way That's why you're like, okay You can do it a desperation is a common way to do it. Um, but these guys start out It's it's your rocket. It's super bad. He's annihilated everybody.   Okay He's uh, we have our like I think it's the one of the british guys. He's like, I'm dying. Oh, and then Um, uh evil man who was a good man.  It's just like I'm just like Why why would anyone ever work for you? Just in case you're under any illusions that he wasn't evil It's such a trope. It's not even though That's the thing.  They knew how to write Literally as world war two is happening. They were writing these characters and here we are like no I just have him shoot the guy to show he's evil. That's that's that's concise That'll save us time and talent with writing It was time to meet the justice society You know, you can be evil and like still value your men as like resources that you can use exactly. Yeah Um, we see waller. She's shown up again.  Is that is that the The one is that a thing the batman is Is Yeah, what's going on here? Yeah, I It was so disorienting for me that I was like, wait, was the justice league marvel. Like I We have the justice. Yeah, because you think that they wouldn't have the justice league and the justice society because that would be a funny meme Right, they wouldn't actually do that That would be crazy But yeah, they you see and they do it how it's meant to work Right as I think meme kind of alluded to it earlier But they they do it in such a way that's like you've had their movies already and it's like but I haven't I haven't had their movie. I don't this is You know like when guardians get like we know them Yeah, the guardians when they show up in infinity wall, it's kind of the same treatment But like yeah, there's there's like movies for them You can watch uh and that you would have there's an implication that you probably should check them out before seeing infinity walk It's a big ensemble movie, but yeah with this one It's just like so who's in the team and he starts like Labeling them as if there's not a set team I guess these just you just pick whoever you want To to assemble it for whatever job you've got at the time um And they're going after someone who they from the limited information they have is basically superman and they're taking um Well, I guess we can go through them one by one, right? So the first person is cyclone Um, and he lists her as like she's got wind manipulation and she's really smart Yeah So that's probably not worthwhile. Um, maybe keep her on the ship But manipulating wind that's really not gonna do much against superman We're gonna need something Different.   This is the first time they've been on a mission both of them They find superman equivalent. This is a trial by fire organization. I don't Remotely understand this It doesn't seem like it is an organization. I don't know how they're called to society There seem like they throw people together Kind of yeah, like what was so if they didn't have these two joining recently Then is it just two of them? They've just made the yeah hawk man and dr. Fight We live in a society Yeah, it's like a justice craigslist ad it's a buddy cap But that's that's like a help wanted that's when this part gets funny, right? She's like, you know, do you have anyone else? He's like, oh, yeah, I got dr. Fate who has basically god powers and I was like That's the guy you need Promising start And then they don't they don't give you a rundown of hawk man's powers because he's he's like the leader, I guess And it would be they couldn't find a way to Get that in without they'll do they'll just show you it Um, well, I suppose we can talk about that a little bit later But yeah, you see pierce brosnan and he's got his little helmet and he touches it and then he sees a bunch of visions Like do do do do explosion and hawk man yelling um Yeah, the implication of course he sees Things through his helmet we get more information on that I don't want to give any more than the film does so that we can sort of take it for what it is He's a comic guy. They're all comic peeps But uh, depending on execution, you know, I've heard different things. Um So yeah, they say we're heading to kandak to apprehend and contain a class a rogue metahuman Um, I guess That that would mean more if It was this was like a thing that had happened before and stuff But it's whatever it's just dialogue we're gonna get to kind of move us through because Yeah, we're trying to run a suicide squad movie kind of at the same time as a origin movie um Because it kind of feels all right with wallo being in charge of it too Which I strikes me as really odd considering that hawk man is like you're super like altruistic Paragon and wallo like killed a bunch of our own people. Remember Yeah, remember she's a terrible horrible murderer She wanted to let she wanted this uh, these suicide squad to abandon that country To be destroyed by staro. Why she why are they trying to make her like nick fury? I honestly thought it was because Because they asked her and she agreed and they were like sweet. We can bind the films a bit better if you come in But the thing is like nick fury is obviously to some level duplicitous, but like waller is pretty callous. He's a horrible person Why would you be why would she be like why would the justice society led by a very altruistic hawk man? Why would he cooperate with her at all?   I'm very glad there was no one that useless on this team. We'll say that You know when manipulation is not the greatest thing ever, but It's alright. Yeah, there's a lot you can do with it.  Um, this feels like a I think it's just more it feels like it's more the same but slightly better than some of the other stuff But I guess at the end we'll get to where we would put in our ranking Well, they're on there the little x-men ship They're like the ship is made entirely from nth metal making it entirely indestructible Down to the screws and I was just like, okay Whatever fine nth metal. It's a thing made in tie. It's a the plane is made of the n-word. It's indestructible After everything else they've introduced it's like nth metal is indestructible, but you guys have you made weapons out of that? I don't know whatever better or worse than a turnium. I don't know Whatever can you make a plane out of a turnium?   They just so like hey guys another super powered team that has justice in the day Hey, here's all these guys. We've never heard of before you. Let's go Try to just sleep a couple times didn't work out.  What do you mean you grow? The atomic farts. What are you talking about here? He's a grower and not a shower. Okay.  I want to I want to say what is like the movie that there's another movie. It could be Marvel to do that. Um We like heroes For a second there, I thought I was thinking of like what's your power. I'm rich. Is that what you're thinking of? I don't think it was that I could have sworn it's a model one I'll keep an eye on chat to see if they have but I could have sworn there was like a I'm also thinking of no way home where they say like I fell into a thing and became a thing And it's like I fell into a different thing and became a thing and it's like wow don't fall into stuff, huh? Just like that that kind of conversation. It feels like they're trying to do it here Oh an avengers. Yeah, this is uh, he's fast. She's weird So Anyway, yeah, I just I was just like, oh, they tried but like that conversation would go that way at all What do you say I do I I wind that's my thing like, okay That's your fetish. I like that. He has to eat a lot and he's hungry asking where the snacks are You like you like I like I like flash I like the idea that he has to eat a lot However, I don't like the fact that if that's his like a requirement for him to keep his energy up And he asks if there are snacks on the plane going to the mission He like it's I I need snacks on this plane He's probably great son You're right. Well, because yeah, it's set up and paid off. It's uh, it's a quick joke He he wants food.  That's that's the thing, right? Because he's like, well, wait, does he need it? Um, I think there'd be like a compartment on his costume that was like Oh, here's like a especially made protein bar that has all the all the things you need going into battle Uh, we go back to the rock he wakes up and zaps Like burns the head off a picture of superman, which feels Pretty deliberate. Uh, I'm not exactly sure what's going on.  So, okay Yes, okay, sure So, um, he looks in the mirror He's like whoa, and then the kid is like, did you really not have mirrors back then? I guess a lot does change in 5 000 years And um, it was weird because When you know the full context of the movie It's fair to assume Uh, adam adam black adam, whatever you never would have seen himself that way because I've seen you ever seen a reflection in the mirror Oh wait, so I'm getting there I'm getting there so like He would have been black adam so to speak for very little amount of time before going into prison Yeah, maybe like a day So you may not have seen any reflections of it, right? The thing is I'm not sure sometimes with this movie because the dialogue is not so great where it's like Wait, did they think there were no reflections 5 000 years ago? Or are they just trying to make the kid Say that because he's he doesn't understand what's meaningful that's happening here I assume I don't know. I don't know if I'd give him that much credit. That's what I mean I can't tell we we've said this before when you can interpret dialogue when something's really well written We're like, oh, that's deliberate. I'm sure of it But when you deal with something that's this flimpy, you're like, uh That's probably an accident Well, and that's the awkward thing I feel like when the riot wrote that someone might have been like, you know that There's many ways to have reflections, right?  Yeah, right. Sorry. Yeah, and they scribble it out and you're like, oh, god Um, then he's like my home is gone because he looks outside and it's all different Um, yeah, and then let me cut over to the Um, yeah, and then let me cut over to the the the other room because he's currently in the in the lady's house Sleeping, um And she and uncle chungus are just sort of doing some stuff and she's looking for the crown She's like, oh god, where is it and she looks over at him and uncle man is wearing it And I legit was for like wait, I thought that was like the so he's invincible now, right? Yeah And then she says, you know, it's cursed by demons, right? And then I was like Why did nobody say anything about the nature of wearing the ancient evil demon crown?  It doesn't the the villain in the end just put it on he doesn't do anything special You have to not only yeah, you have to die to you know, so Okay, never mind never mind I just it's still worth highlighting that any normal person will probably be like I'm probably not knowing everything I know about this crown probably not gonna put it on probably not. Yeah Um, but then then and this is the thing when people said they got some smirks out of this movie I think I had a decent tally. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep trying to point them out But she she's reading the crown.  I thought that was funny. Yeah This would be my first reaction. It's rare that isn't all the wisdom of the age Yeah, that's right.  That's ancient kandakian wisdom Like yeah, sure Um, aristostanese who would calculate the size of the earth within 10 accuracy thousands and thousands of years ago That's fine. It's not very impressive. Have you heard of the old kandakian? Uh parable or the old saying that you know You need to Live to die Ah That's a makes you it makes you think that's what I'll say it makes you it's a movie for thinking people This is this is the movie for thinking people like rings of power.  He goes. Yeah. Well, the door was open So I figured Okay, anyway, it's just just like that's a fun little thing that he has already been told to Not come through the walls just because he can it's rude But that he would be like if the door's open and surely I can walk through the walls Like it's just like an old okay with black adam. It's like why did you do that? Why did you just destroy everything? Why wouldn't he do it by going outside? Why would he go to a different room?   I can't put why were you right? They treat it like he's an alien like he doesn't understand how walls work. Is this a door I see before me Actually, he's he's a human being like he lived essentially.  We never got that Yes, when he was just some guy Quick question before we move on. Um, I just want to go back to the kid Talking about how the justice league or the justice society.  They don't help the people here and it's like but he has all their merch and he's super into superheroes But he feels abandoned by them. It's like Doesn't feel quite right does it No, it doesn't especially how like annoyingly political this kid is. Yeah, I don't think he would like them Yeah, you know what would have happened is the mum would have shot on them all the time And he would have been completely convinced that they're not actually good people that they just do it for the fame They do it for where it's convenient for them He wouldn't be worse. They really want him to be a kid who's into superheroes.  Like it's Looks like a guy, but it's on like a screen or well, he wouldn't even you know I mean they completely skip all of it. He's just like zap And then I think he says like the wizards or something. He assumes It's just like yes, what are we doing?  And you got to keep that in mind right because they're gonna they're gonna pay it off Soon enough and it's gonna be so great when they pay it off with him seeing that little thing on the tv. Oh good Um, so then yeah, then they start having a chat and he's like those men in the tomb.  Isn't he supposed to be a normal guy? He's alien This is approachable edginess This is how you can be brooding and slightly edgy without being really any of those things I was legit starting to get confused because I was I was like he really doesn't feel like he's from earth Like that's the idea. No But uh, okay And then the kids it's like we still have loads of enemies And they have all kinds of amazing weapons with a turnium while we we just have my mom And then like I think the movie thought that was very funny. I I thought it was fine No weird It is weird that your resistance movement is just your mom Yeah, she's doing it. She's doing her best. All right.  And then they're like the uncle is the father and he's like, no, whoa those girls. No, I was He's like, so who do you want him to teach violence? And then he's like, yeah, mom, who do you want me to teach me violence? And then she says nobody I want a champion to free us So like, uh, I think they thought that was funny the whole teach me violence thing But then he gets really confusing at the end because she's like, I don't want any violence I just want you to free us from our oppressors like, uh-huh using With an excellent we're gonna teach you to be a very strong debater.  Yes But like I was I was a little confused because I was like, I mean this lady is surely You know mature enough to know that you're gonna need some violence to do this Yeah, she didn't seem too broken up about any of the people he killed already But simultaneously she'll argue that we don't need to do it with violence or something. It's like Okay Strange to you The only thing I liked about that little exchange was the like, oh, oh, no, I understand you want his father to teach him violence That was kind of funny.  What's really what?  Like it's a weird collection to me Mm-hmm.  It's like, I guess it's not a bad I think a thing to have in case something really bad happened to you. I guess it's just kind of strange. Um Yeah, he's he's like come on be a hero. Also, you should have a catchphrase Because you should you should say tell the man in black sent you when you kill people It would be really cool and they says I don't waste words on the dead which is probably Exactly how he should have felt throughout the whole movie actually that that line But he changes the mind of that. No, and it's dumb It would be very strange if he like on a whim Decided all of a sudden that that catchphrase was really cool Like that would be a very strange thing to happen. I think it would be it's a good thing The thumb doesn't do that, right?  What else are you gonna do? I was just like what what? You really resort to that you're like, well, you know if you really don't believe in the cause you don't care about us You don't want a free condom. Can you at least agree that this is something for you to do? Okay, no I mean that that argument is pretty much good for anything. It's like I may as well just take over condom There's something to do Yeah, so I don't know it was weird then he just smashes through the wall and starts heading toward a statue um Cut back to the justice society and uh Pierce Brosnan, it's like wallers file leaves a lot to be desired a day ago.  What more do you need to know? Which is really not reassuring to hear by the way, uh from the justice society. I was like wow guys That's uh That's not a good start Do you think maybe wallers not telling us everything? I don't know. She seems pretty trustworthy. Yeah, I've only known her to be trustworthy. There's no yeah Yeah, um, and then uh kent says Yeah, when you've seen as many futures as I have you cease to believe in absolutes I was like, well, you're even you haven't got anything You've got the this is a guy from 5 000 years ago that's been reawakened and is like like a nuke waiting to happen so That's it What do you even make of that? You don't even know anything and uh the information they have is that he destroyed The city so that's what they're working with but it's like well, you're gonna probably gonna need to talk to him, I guess We'll talk more about that soon uh Yeah, he says I missed having you around to spout cryptic shit like that, uh Which I'm not actually clear exactly on what he thought was cryptic Yeah, not on when you've seen as many futures as I have you cease to believe in absolutes And if he's describing that as cryptic, I feel like that's not very cryptic Yeah, just be like yeah a lot of stuff happens a lot of stuff changes You know I could go even more granular if you need it understood Uh Yeah, and then he says I've missed having you around to ignore all my advice the bad plan There's better a bad plan than no plan And uh right I think you pause on that because yeah, I think that's worth pausing on it's like better a bad plan than no plan Is that I mean we should just charge straight at the enemy across this empty field with no cover when they have machine gun in placements And we have no armor. Well, I don't mean a bad plan is better. No plan. Yeah Better than just not doing that.  I guess the bad plan is better But then a bad plan could be that I grab a weapon and shoot myself in the face And the no plan that's a bad plan And that's for me bad plan Yeah Oh, I don't know.  He's got some ideas. He's got some ideas Um So then yeah, they all they all come back into a room together and um one of them says like adam is a weapon of mass destruction And then I think cyclone is like how do we stop him? And his browser is like if we can get him to say the word shazam Um, and then have him sleep off a few thousand years. Maybe we can negotiate the terms of his existence Not just like slow down The only way you could think of defeating him is making him say a word What if he doesn't? Yeah, do you have like hold him down and make his mouth make the move screaming To trick the wizards by using a ventriloquist I just uh, oh that that kind of rhymes me as something I I suppose we should have talked about it earlier, but So black adam gets his powers because six wizards who are just hanging out somewhere If they see someone who does something like really cool really awesome They will grant them the power of Right so You should have a lot of shazams out there, right? Like a lot of them you've got a planet with You you have a planet with Billions and billions of people over time, right? And if like think about all the craziest think about world war two How many shazams would have been created in world war two? How many people went through incredible Daring brave, you know rescue missions and you know courageous acts of sacrifice To you know fulfill a mission and to save the world And do the wizards give it regardless of the side? So if you have some plucky chum in the wehrmacht, right? And he is like he's a medic and he and he saves all of his german comrades in the middle of the battle And he like gets shot and is almost killed by crossfire while he's trying to you know help his people And he's he's kind of a good dude. Could that guy get shazam'd even though? He's on you know the the german side like there's a lot of there's a lot of questions That I have regarding the who who has given the power of shazam This is a pretty obvious question, but like why didn't they actually get shazam to like help them? Oh, dude, all of them all of the characters. Where are they they didn't account for them at all? They didn't even do the thing of they're off-world. They're busy. They didn't do that They just not only is that they're shazam like Zachary Levi shazam, but he's also his whole family is shazam too They they have the same Shazam two has happened into the exact same time they have the same powers Like and he's interacted with the wizard like why isn't he why didn't you get him? Shazam too is happening at the same time. They can't do it. Shazam Maybe maybe it is. Who knows It's just Yeah, we'll get more on that this time. This is a very cohesive universe. I don't know why you think they wouldn't account for that I mean, who knows if they're even gonna have those characters interact It seems like they want to set up black adam versus superman rather than his arch nemesis The second half of what Piers Brosnan said that whole will make him sleep off a few thousand years and then negotiate the terms of existence What a strange like intention. Why wouldn't you just talk to him now? Yeah Also, this whole like make him sleep it off for a thousand like he's already been sleeping for thousands. Whatever. I don't know man It's just it's just strange. They all seem so confident about this like we'll just make him say the word this this Literal walking WMD. It'll be fine. Yeah, he'll want to give up his powers um so anyway But I don't know how exactly we're gonna go about explaining the issue here because it's a little bit complicated The kid is like annoyed. The black adam isn't gonna liberate kandak. He's busy having to look at the statue So the kid pisses off one of the guards hoping the guard will beat him up so that black adam will kill him I don't know how to feel about this We need to have a discussion about morality Complicated. I don't have a I have mixed feelings. I don't know about this This is really this is um, this is a weird one guys Uh to This is really strange. I'm not sure how do you start? Yeah, the idea that Like that's just the thing that you do Like I I understand that these are like the bad guys, but are all of them bad Are they like what what's this? What's the political situation going on here? You know like what what's happening in this world right now? What what's sort of the state of things because this is just it's just really weird um um The uh the idea that a kid can essentially sick his dog Right his his his is invincible superhero on people and just have him get killed without even a chance of fighting back Uh in that it's done so It's it's done without any kind of Commentary like no one Comments on this no one it's not held against him. It's if anything it's like. Oh, yeah, the kid's having a moment He's fighting back.   There's just something about that that doesn't feel quite right, but um You know sure, uh, it's what it's what starts the avalanche in a sense Because that's the thing if we saw more of them being super cruel, um, which they already are that it's just that uh The series of events being cleaner as a start would would be more comfortable That's all he's uh because the kid is just like i'm gonna go and get these guys killed if I can just piss them off enough Which feels strange Especially because the kid is like super obsessed with paragon type heroes Yeah Which as we know, uh You know the hawk man representing that side and this probably wouldn't say what the kid does there is a cool thing to do Like I said, um, probably not could have been could have been cleaner. Just just felt awkward Um, so yeah adam pretty much kills them all. Um Pins up and he's like pachow pachow pachow and then and then they all unload they're like machine guns into him, but They run out or at least one guy does and then they all start setting up to do, um, mexican standoff And it's incredibly bizarre. Yeah weird Is it just because of the thing he saw on tv? Yeah, I think so.  Like nobody's decisions here make any sense I would say that saps the fun. I think it saps the fun Yeah It's just oh, this is a reference to a thing that is good Except that none of the context allows for it to work in the way it did in the thing that you like So it's just here remember that Do you remember that movie? Yeah, and then um Feels more and it's like yep Yeah, that's what would happen. It's gonna happen.  I got it together. I got to do that when they were still alive He's not an alien That's what I mean Human person. He should know Uh So, uh, he then grabs two guys Oh, he grabbed like it's other people are shooting at him So he jumps over grabs the two guys and it's about to drop him and he sees the justice society turn up And then it's kind of strange. He sees them Then he drops the two guards he's holding and then looks back at the ship and shrugs as if to say Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? But he has absolutely no clue what this thing even is the ship, you know It just turns up And he already wants to like interact with it as though he knows the personalities and intentions of the people on it Because they're not happy that he drops two people like that like the uh Do you know what i'm saying like he's like he's he's aware of the situation already and it's like how He shouldn't be there's the million things he should not be aware of at this point in the movie that he just is He just understands the dynamic And so whole man jumps out immediately to save the two guys Which is kind of like okay me that's that's pretty clear characterization and dr. Fate Does a teleport i guess but before he does He looks at a cyclone at adam's fasher just says be prepared That is why it's exactly it's such a like even i was just like wait, what are they supposed to do? They had the same information as me What are they Keep an eye out for the signal Yeah, uh Yeah, we'll get to that. Um, so just hideous prep awful, but yeah, whatever. It's fine I think a society geared for justice would be better at you'd think Um thing has he said the man in black line yet while i was gone or we still ramp up to that Yeah, he said it to the guy who was already dead. That's the one we've done. So yeah Because because i was kind of the moment i realized oh that they they didn't realize they were writing black adam They thought they were writing the t800 from terminator two This is they've somehow Confused the two and now he's being written like this robot who needs to As much as i agree the execution of t2 is so much better Oh, yes, it is it is much better uh So yeah, um Walkman says i don't know these men's crimes, but they should face due process Uh, and then adam just fucking kills them and says let the gods make their judgment Um, i i don't mind that exchange between the two of them Expresses the the core values pretty easily and how they're very opposed to each other And you know, I don't know if there's anything else to say about that I was just like it's pretty quick because you know, we haven't had much I think we're like halfway through the film already by the way That feels weird it does it doesn't it like because there's not much we've had to talk about Um, or at least it doesn't feel that way Then again, we're going for two hours. So I don't know. Maybe it maybe yes. Yeah. Um Yeah, uh Then then hawkman says oh one of them says uh, we're here to restore peace to kandak and we will use force if necessary And adam's like force is always necessary Which is a weird line. I think he wants to sound badass I guess Um, because it isn't always necessary. No, I guess he thinks that it is from his experience Talking about the like the threat of force is always necessary because that's a little bit different But like you could make a stronger case for at least.  Yeah He doesn't I mean he pretty much says that he says like I don't know what these guys have done But they should face due process. I guess his idea of due process versus kandak's idea of it Yeah, and he gave me a little bit of like team america vibes, you know, just showing up I don't think the film's unaware of that they have criticisms of them in that degree right that they only show up At the worst possible time ever like to control them I think the film is aware No, the film is aware that he's showing up and he's being like the team america kind of person a little bit But the film doesn't make clear for us what the actual situation is on the ground here in terms of who runs this country Who these soldiers really are who they work for what they're doing Like what is the actual political situation here because they don't tell us we don't really know What to think about Whether hawkman is right to say these people like I'm just so confused like I can't make a judgment on Like how we should treat these soldiers because I don't really understand what the world building is It could be handy to have more about them. Yeah Yeah, it would be very helpful because from their perspective It might be that like the reason they were trying to get the crown in the first place I just who knows there's so much I know so little about what's going on In this country and the situation of the country is such a big point of the plot that it's not fair.  I don't think that's helping. I really don't I think that was a really really, uh, that's just not wise like not even close I hate how they approach him because if you watch the movie at all, it seems he's very He's actually rather easy to convince of things. The only thing he's chill Is that violence is Useful like you're not going to be able to convince him that that's not true but everything else like he seems to Just like oh, these are the bad guys. Okay, cool. I'll kill them. You know what I mean He's very easily manipulated almost even like you could convince him if you talk to him Hey I find it weird that he said kneel or die as well Yeah Um, but yeah, what are like it must be anti killing aren't they like It feels a bit weird that he's threatening with death when only a few minutes ago He's very they very explicitly show they were anti death It's I don't think it matches even slightly that whole no line. It's all like why what? Dr.   I totally get that impression word like the helmet Several praises for dr. Fate, but one of the big criticisms. I think is to have told me That he is possessed whenever he puts that helmet on you cannot show me Him taking it on and putting it off casually all the time Don't do that Now me might be able to help me out with this as I understand that the whole idea with dr. Fate is that like Yeah, essentially when he puts on the helmet, there's like a different You can almost say persona that is involved there and there's kind of like a god living there or something I think yeah, and they have like competing interests at times So it's like two entities that occasionally cooperate and occasionally clash with one another. That's not very present here I still like But it seems like it might have been something that they had But then they changed their mind in reshoots Because I imagine it's pretty easy to change that kind of thing in a reshoot If that were the case, but we could stack some references. Unfortunately, it's not really complete because him saying There are no absolutes and you know and and maybe we need more information on this guy to then when he's dr. Fate Say kneel or die that is like. Oh, so that is a big difference there. Okay, cool And um, you know it's diametrically opposed Yeah, but they don't play into that really at all, you know, like when he says um, I will Crush his mind or something like that in reference to interrogating somebody as dr. Fate It's like that sounds a bit more aggressive than p.s. Brosnan ever sounds in those scenes So maybe right maybe that was an idea they had at some point they got dropped I don't know why they would have dropped it. That would have been really cool It would have been cool, but it would make you question why he's along for this mission if he's um Yeah, well, he works for the Lords of Order, right? So this would be about fighting this would be about Um working for order Adams like a wmd. So it makes some sense Well, yeah, okay. No because I I disagree I think because dr. Fate's approach if if we're to believe that possessed dr. Fate with the helmet on is gonna come in And see black adam and say kneel before me or die, but that's not actually gonna help your mission You know, that's that's a good strategy. Yeah, so you might be you're putting this team together go Yeah, well, yeah, this guy he's you know, he's got god powers, which is really cool But he's a very different and very aggressive person when he puts the mask on and we don't really have a way of controlling that So maybe he shouldn't be on the team that is honestly something that It's so casually mentioned like he gets possessed, but it's just like is that a problem? Is that something to worry about? By what because that's by something that can understand people and humans Huge huge missed opportunity here. What a shame that could have been really interesting Especially if you had almost like another voice that was in his head while he was Doing his stuff or he would so like He's don't do much with it and as much as I really want to like the characters aesthetics are so cool and pierce brosman brosman's awesome but A lot of missed opportunities here to to really make him something great Well, like I said, we should have had his own movie really. Yeah Yeah, I would have done that. I would have wiped for that Oh for chassis So, um The fight begins and he's like fate give me a distraction and he does cool spell casty things and makes black Adam see Unduck as it originally was to distract him and they do something I think First of all, that's a power that I understand. It's pretty straightforward Probably has a level of maintenance that's going to draw power And then they do a little cool thing of I think adam looks off in the distance He sees like a bird And then it comes closer and closer and bigger and bigger and it's whole man. He punches him. It's like, uh, that's kind of I like that mm-hmm The thing is he punches him through a series of buildings and oh my god The man of man of steel flashbacks immediately.  It's like of all the characters to have do that you chose whole command Why he would be the least Like he wouldn't do it Stop you can't tell me that he is a paragon of justice and virtue and then have him do that If you have him do it, then you have to have him go.  Well the building was cleared guys There was no one in the building Yeah, just have Anderson Cooper come on the tv and say actually it's abandoned at night. So It's totally chill Any yard in later? Yeah. Um, uh, what?   Where are you going? And if I don't know if it was adr But there's a couple lines much later in the film that the delivered this way and oh my god It's some of the worst line. He goes you help him like Delivery is consistently awful. Why why couldn't you have him?  Jesus You guys are really great rousing speech later. We'll talk about we will talk about that. Yeah We're not there yet. Oh, I think I've repressed that. I'm I'm I can't actually remember the speech. I think I And you don't remember it I think I've repressed it. I remember the tone of it. Not the words No, I don't remember the words, but yes the delivery is is yeah So then um cyclone is like well, um off I go. I actually I think Uh, uh, dr. Fate says uh adam spasher cyclone. Now is your time and it's like do what?  Okie dokie So they do uh cyclone jumps out and she just wills up loads of debris of different kinds like poles and bricks and all this other stuff and just fires it all at adam And I'm just gonna be honest. I feel like Yeah, I mean you you can do that but like it's not gonna do anything, right? Like why would that do anything? He's superman Yeah, not much of anything may be distracted momentarily. That's really all you can hope for with her The only thing I kind of like about it was the it was firing down all the poles around him It looked almost like she was trying to avoid him Not many of them go into him, but maybe she was trying to create a trap I have more questions about this in a second, but for a brief moment when she puts all the poles around him it makes like A prison cell imagery And and he looks through it and he gets even angrier and I was kind of like oh, that's neat enough You know because he's got the slavery history thing. That's working That's in some way And then Yeah, so this is the thing. I wasn't sure exactly what happened here. It gets weird.  I can't tell Detonates where adam is.  So it Does that mean I don't know I don't know that she can do that, right? Is so that that could actually be a point to the film because that could mean then that he's He's getting angry and the because I was about to say I'm pretty sure he knew that the lady and the kid were there But then again, that's going to play into why he thinks that he is too too ragey, right so I'll I'll benefit the doubt. I'll give it to the film. I think it was him. Yeah All right, cool. And that that does add to a to an arc. Okay, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Saying there's an arc in this film. All right, right Yeah, and I also like just dr. Fay saving them. I was like, yeah, I like it when superheroes save people Sneak, that's nice to see.  You know, like wouldn't the helmet be like, no, I'm all right. It's okay with it Do you understand what I mean by that though?  You know, um, here's another thing later on that is exactly the reason they do it. So yes, uh, that's where I was going Yeah, and later on we have the iron man Visioning the iron man close up inside the helmet thing Well, what's what why does everyone so means that what are they supposed to do? They keep taking his helmet off throughout the whole movie So like they try to have one view of him that's from inside the helmet because people like wow Just doing the iron man thing. There's like, I don't know. It's different. It's the sparkly I guess so unfortunately, I think I'm a bit Halo did the the helmet thing and I hate it I just I think it's just part of a broader thing which I don't like which is we need to see the actor's face We can't have like the intentionally designed costume An outfit or armor set just exist as it is and then find different ways to have the character express their emotions Through like I think I think I mostly agree with you But part of the problem with dr. Fate in this movie is that his mask doesn't really have eyes It doesn't have the eye things for some. Well, how's it one time in the whole movie? Yeah I don't have the eye slots for the whole Well, I assumed that that was to be like it's a reference and that we're not actually going to do it fully because it's too goofy I assume that's what their angle is It does make it It does make it a little weird because there's no expression in his mask now Unlike some of the other heroes who wear masks at least their masks have a face to them You know, there's some level of expression possible, you know with spider-man and his eyes and things like that I don't know man. I might have to go as far as saying I don't even need that I couldn't you because you got the voice. I really like dr. Fate's voice. So no, yeah, it's great You need I don't think you need stuff on that. You can you can achieve like having emotions with no face at all body language and voice and stuff because again Right, they're like we got to see his face We got to take off his helmet and even when he's got the helmet on we got to do Because I can't tell that he's angry when he's like punching this elite. I need to see him screaming I I I do not like that show. I really don't like So the main thing I wanted to point out with the iron man thing wasn't the fact that they were using the iron man thing But the fact that we are seeing him Not as kent nelson inside the helmet speaking as kent nelson Yeah, that's the thing. There's no difference at points like that. There is just But you know what I mean when we're saying references in favor of the idea It's like there's loads of references against the idea Yeah, he's just she-hulk Why would you say that because Because I'll I'll I'll explain why because But it's one person even though they have two forms in she-hulk Jen as gen human gen and she-hulk gen are the same person even if they have really different forms I think he looks really cool in this image by the way He does I want to say I liked I like him in the look in the movie as well. Um, yeah I mean this is just cooler though Look, he has a book. That's just look how much cooler that is. He has a book. Yeah, he reads. Oh my gosh He does he's got a little satchel for his book. He often has a book I've always found that cool when a book is like a weapon you have in the terms of like if you're a magic user And you have a floating book That like the pages light up or the the runes on it glow And you use that as a way to like channel your power I always thought that was really cool and kind of scholarly and you know dignified in a sense.  He tends to use like four or five moves that have Like a function Which means they definitely went the opposite direction of That interviewer that said we needed a new move every single time dr. Strange casts a spell Dr. Fate uses the same set of five pretty much throughout the whole movie Yeah, he uses illusions Um of like tricking people you know tricking people with imagery. Yeah creating the Ancient can Yeah, the glass crystal that glass trap he duplicates himself, but they're not super duper strong teleports And goes invisible. Yeah and teleports and goes invisible That's basically it but he uses them in different circumstances Which is that's probably the way to do it because it's like he's just way more understandable He doesn't just do anything. He's super powerful to be sure but in a way that's more comprehensible And As much as we've been shitting on the possession side of things I think they do capture the uh, this man's lived a long time and seen a lot of futures Yes, uh, he's the best character in the movie Uh, I think so. Absolutely. Um, I can't wait to see more of them. I'm really excited to see more dr. Fate As much as I feel like they could have done more what they did was pretty good Yeah more on that later I'm like the multiple spells thing you would even if you have access to thousands of thousands of spells You would think that each wizard would specialize in only like five or six because no We don't like choice. No, you want to get really good at a small set of spells But then The problem is that you can't do the thing where it's like, yeah, there's a cat head and then there's demon hands And then there's magic Sheet music Like you you got it. Yeah, you can't you can't and remember everybody said that was cool Nobody talks about it anymore or that movie in general. Nobody should go away I mean, I doubt many people are gonna be talking about dr. Fate like from this movie in a little while, but that's that's shame Maybe it would be different if he got his own movie instead of being in this movie Yeah, he's not especially well served by the story around him, but I do like him He's definitely the most interesting character It's just it's uh, it's like meme said there's too many movies in this movie Yeah It needs to serve as a black adam film and it also needs to serve as a just a society film And even amongst that just a society you've got somebody like I mean really like hawkman and black adam could both get their own story, you know Both of those characters could get their own movie and that would be worthwhile. It would be worthwhile to Absolutely a hawkman movie and how does he operate on his own and what are the problems he has to navigate through? DC has spent so long trying to jumpstart the car. They should have just started it normally Pretty much. Yeah, it's been nearly a decade since man of steel And we're not in a good place. Yeah, no, it is. No, we're in a terrible place. Yeah Well, it's like I said they They just never found anything along the way of value, but they kept going they they never had that Whoa time out hold on we need a plan here before we charge for it But they thought that a bad plan was better than no plan To 2008 to 2012 and marvel were already rolling completely and it's like four years You really don't need much more than that to have your whole cinematic universe ready to go But again, it's probably not a great idea to have your cinematic universe essentially go iron man captain america civil war thunderbolts I thought or captain america one mate. No, I thought And then and then you do avengers. Maybe that's not the best order to do your first set of films. Maybe not Maybe not universe um, so happens Russia comes in and um I don't know why they I don't know sometimes don't get what the film's trying to say He starts it up and he's running forward and there's this car heading toward him And he gets real big and just kicks it and it just flings away and it's like Who was in there? George nobody. I hope it's nobody because geez um And he's just he slams down into adam and to the point where whirlwind lady has to put up a protective shield over her before she dies And I was just thinking to myself like so Had she been knocked out because she'd just experienced a big old blast from adam himself. Anyway um, you gotta just kill her And so I'm I'm feeling annoyed. I'm like you guys are very reckless And and but then again in my head I was like, but this is their first time out So maybe maybe we can get some like You guys, you know, you're really bad at this. You need to hang back or yeah They're like that they're not working as a team and I have to learn to work as a team and coordinate their powers Or something that unfortunately something At that very moment dr. Fate flies up takes off the helmet and goes I think if you're first outing you both are doing great work, bravo I was just like Encouraging yeah Meanwhile hawkman will be the one to reprimand them. I guess I'm punching him through the the building Fair enough, um, yeah, adam just knocks out adam's masher Crip and then they go we're not strong enough This is like no shit Yeah Yeah, that would be useful Maybe or alternatively shazam the one who has the exact same powers and might have some insight into how to deal with himself This is like a Lull in the almost non-stop action at this point It's kind of the film goes action non-action action non-action action for the rest of it now and the non-action parts are very quick um, yeah This pace could be described as pretty erratic a little bit. Yeah, uh, we're flashing. Did I say yeah the fight is now over and uh Lady is like why are you guys trying to stop black adam?  Did he just kill people? Did he please don't tell me he's killing people Oh Just call it some damage.  Like I said, the screaming as well is what made me worried There's also this other part where um He's I think it was during the action scenes where he's in where he's um I think he's trying to do Adam smash is trying to do crowd control with all the cars and he starts moving them around and stopping them Like the little toy cars and all I could think was wait. Wait. Did you just stop a car with a person in it? Like a toy just stop with your hand.  We're not we're not at that level Yeah, there's a master's kind of clumsy and not very good. Yeah, they won. He's I He's the wacky comic relief character, uh in this Who Um Yeah, and so Tins out the crown has been she lady gave it to kid and kid is running back to apartment with crown Uh, I guess because she thought that dr. Fate might try and steal it off at which he could easily have done But but like I don't know man. Maybe he should You know, he can teleport. Um, so when he knew that crown was in the bag They show it He he he looks up and he sees hawkman fighting Adam and he looks back at her looks up and then decides to go and help him.  No, no, it's it's like a satchel. I think just put it over your I know it won't match the suit I know it doesn't go with your gear It's flying around with the backpack His cape looks kind of floppy because it's underneath the backpack Um, oh damn. But yeah, then they explain this I think we should have had this before the fight. They say that um Adam destroyed kandak and he did not save it and that he can't possibly be a hero And the reason we're here is to stop him from destroying the city again I was like, okay, that's a little clearer in terms of why you think why you approached him the way that you did But I still don't think it justifies it because he was clearly willing to talk So, uh, but but still why did you not bring this up before?  I'm killing you and it's like And then like he needs to throw the first punch basically and then hawkman can go like, okay I guess we're doing it.  It's not as gripping, but it's not it's not worthless.  You don't have the crown. You need to leave now, don't you?  Yeah, chuckle tried Um, but you didn't yeah, I like this this got me major points for chuckle He he grabs the guy with the gun and says for the kid to run.  I feel this. I approve of chuckle Um, but the kid then runs into his room and goes through the little secret exit So the evilman can't get to him Meanwhile, we're having a little chat with uh with black adam and and folks And it's basically like surrender and he says no And then it feels like it's the same conversation as we had before Piece Bros is like your powers have given you nothing but heartache Then the response is you have no idea And I was just like so neither of you really cared to address each other there.   Please do it. It's like please do that. I do not want him to perish That's one thing about me as a character is that I don't want my son to die I do not want my son to I think it's like she was fine. I just don't have any feelings about her as a character. She was lady. She was there I don't know what does it mean? What does it mean? What were you gonna say? Give me a meme or cat. Yeah, man. What were you gonna say, man? What were you gonna say before you interrupt the cat? Racism you think what you think of her is a Dildo racism. Yeah, yeah racism Exactly. Anyway, uh, all I was gonna say is that I don't know if I consider her character fine. She's kind of Uh, I think I'm sorry. No, I was referring to a performance not the character Uh, yeah, yeah I'm in contrast with some The more that I've thought now about the the whole What I would say is like a conflict between like the her mode. Yeah, I don't know if like Yeah, she might be bad like in terms of being consistently written. I wasn't even like I said I am thought necessarily about what I think of her overall is a Character in the storyline. I almost again. She's there. I just meant the lady actress is so prominent Like she's such yeah, I think the son is a great sin in that regard.   It's like, oh, yeah It's like it's kind of I don't know if the director or the creator or whoever was in charge of these decisions The rock I I why would Why would you is is the idea that you want to have a Fun kid character for like kids to relate to or whatever My guess would be that if they were going to make a real case, it would be rc It's the innocent child who like allows black adam to essentially discover How to be a hero and that there is good in the world and to and to try and pursue it Even if he does that in his own way, that would be my best Well the film's a little bit more of a bad tips of what I think is doing anyways at the end black adam says He's not a hero the kandak has heroes and then like it just pans to the kid and the mom Right.  You like superhero movies? You like to skateboard? I'm a hero I see someone says but the kid is such a bad influence. It's like yeah, because he kind of he coaxed him into uh killing those guys and that standoff Like he's pretty violent Like it's it's um Because I think I mean we all jump with the gun I don't know what the the the film's conclusion is on like black adam and whether or not he's a good guy or a bad guy With devil I'll give that yet. Yeah.   He's right there. All right Yeah, can we try that again?  What why would you just grab the bag?   You know you do.  Let's go This uh this kind of criticism I've highlighted it before I still don't really know exactly how to Bring probably but it's it's the it's the ray shields thing from revenge of the sith Like how did this happen like that's just so arbitrary You're just here. Okay Fine That's happening now.  Yep. And so now he's captured.  It's whatever And he looks down like very specifically far away and down to see a bag on the floor with comics hanging out of it So he knows the kid's been kidnapped I had to like double take on that because I was like, wait, so he he like flew up Attacked everybody burst out of one of four walls And then happened to be in the right position to see that the bag had fallen out Meaning that someone must have taken him because he wouldn't have left his comics behind He would never leave his comics behind I would never go anywhere without my comic books. I would not leave them at home And if the director writer whatever was like, well, how else can we translate to black adam that the kid has been captured again It's like you just have the kid scream his name I can't Well at that point, I guess he'd say is it teff adam teff adam Because they do yeah, he's hasn't decided on his cool superhero name yet Yeah Wouldn't it be funny if he if he tried to come up with the name it's like, oh, that's already been taken Like i'm gonna call myself the superman.  Sorry.  But I am a pretty super man. It's like no It's like, yeah, no, sure, but like You know, that's not you gotta try I don't know. I'm pretty I'm pretty hulking. Maybe I could be called the hulk Wow, is that does marvel existed the dc universe because we know that dc exists in the marvel universe And we know that dc exists in the dc universe. Thanks to those comics The comics had the dc imp because they were actual dc comics like they were all rebirth comics and like there was underwear Superman and everything it was quite weird to see um like That was the first sign as well because there was no black superman suit And it's like, oh, no, he might not wait. No, we're jumping a gun again on that. Oh, no Oh, we'll get we'll get there.  They must drop them to their death That's the rule.  Let me go and they're like, well, hold on. I'm gonna put you down gently Okay, please let me go. They go.  He's like tell all the man in black scent. Oh and he's dead But it's too light You don't want that got a little smile out of me. What do we think cast of that joke? Um, I didn't care for it myself I was I think you're trying to do the catchphrase thing of it too much And I don't know why he would care about the catchphrase at all Same I I kind of liked it. It's I don't think it's very good It kind of made me smile very very straightforward. Yeah very hard way tell them about oh Like it's too late. He realized too late that I think I'll give it that I think that's the funniest one of the lot Um, the fact that um, he's like he's remembered it almost in time, but not quite and so he has this like Well, when you say your favorite because my favorite joke in the film is not that there's not what I said I thought you said you said it was your favorite of No, it's probably the best of that joke The because there's like three payoffs for that whole thing and I think most of them suck Yeah, I'm inclined to agree Uh Yeah, so so now he's well, yeah, we're about to reach what I think is my favorite joke actually, um So they oh boy you got black adam is uh starting to he needs to find all the motorcycles that are flying around Rip open their backs to see if they've got the kid in the back and then I guess kill them Um, and so they're all flying around and then they bump into hawk man who jumps on the back of one of them Is he's like activate infrared to check if the kid is in there But then he gets knocked off the thing by black adam who then just pulls out the back to see if he's a And um, he's like, what are you doing and he says i'm searching for the child He goes no you're murdering people boy child. He says how else do I find the child? And uh while they're having this conversation the the the guy he's Breaking the motorcycle off is just shooting him with a pistol over and over again And that that is that is the most I had fun in the whole movie. I thought it was pretty hilarious Like while he he says what are you doing?  Yeah I like it I gotta say more like your description there is a lot It conjured imagery in me that's much more violent than the actual scene because when you say He tore their backs open to look for the child. I'm just imagining that he's tearing their spines out Look inside them for the child Did he did he reload like because I feel like that would have made the joke funner If he was still shooting and then he reloads the guns because he's gotta keep trying He just has to keep going I don't think it lasted that long in fact that's the perv would have made it fuddier if it did last longer, but Yeah, like if you just kept doing it Yes Because there's an extra layer of like, you know, stop murdering people while the guy is shooting at a black atom Like this is funny Yeah, you know, he says yeah And he says uh, I can help you but no more extra judicial killings And he says I don't need any help and they just leave Then uh, adam smasher and cyclone is sent out again and they're they're trying to destroy these motorcycles, I guess and You gotta get another joke. I guess you will get ratings on this one.  Look out. I almost hit you and then he hits Uh, hawkman as he's saying that Then the hawkman says mean you I I approve. I think it's all right It's fine. It's fine It's fine I think it's okay He's a big clumsy guy. It fits in with the level. It's the appropriate level humor that I've come to expect from this movie I think that's fair.  I can see that go here.  Okay, then it's like It's okay. You could you could laugh It's funny.  It's like, oh my god You guys hate each other so much I just saw the image and thought yeah, that's pretty funny Can you share it because I can't remember it I need to find there was a really funny if you can find it. I'll I'll put it on the screen. Yeah I'm just looking at me. Oh here I assume he's already found it Someone said it should have been the thumbnail. I will make it the thumbnail That's a nice you got to show the context there is Reminds how come I'm thinking about mega mind for some reason It's like a wide angle lens or something close up on the face Yeah, that's pretty brilliant Right I love that stupid image usually the best thing to come out of the movie This is right.   I guess I keep forgetting to turn it off He um, he opens the back of it and it shows the kid getting revealed And then it shows adam like oh damn it and then it shows the kid isn't actually in there They just spliced someone else opening something else that the kid was in To make you think for a moment that he had found him Um, I found this incredibly annoying as an editing choice Yes, it's this very cheap sort of uh rip off of the the silence of the lambs Fake out at the end of the movie. Yeah, not the biggest. Yeah. Yeah It's that thing again, but worse Because uh, it basically only serves to confuse. I think you get you get zero benefit almost from people doing the whole like Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, no Like that's what they're getting cool. That's not happening. Most people are like, oh, yeah Yeah It's so quick to yeah Yeah, it confuses me as well. Um, anyway adam's upset. So he tosses the bad guy And then dr. Fate shows up and he's like adam we can Bring me the prisoner and I can break his mind and he goes Um Because you killed him didn't you Then he just yeah He goes he didn't make I didn't mind that one either It it's that level of mildly amusing that fits in with the rest of the movie, you know Yeah Yeah, it's kind of joke that I think I would have liked better under different circumstances Um, if I was more engaged with the film, I think I would have found that one really funny I can Also the longer I look at this that that funny shot of the rock the more I realize that it looks like his head is about 10 times larger than his body. Yeah It really is Oh, yes, I'm gonna try to mention that one of the ways he kills one of these guys is Pulls him off the bike throws him real fast real far forward And then tampers with the bike so that it speeds off into the guy and blows up into him And the first all you have is like very technologically. Yeah adam knows how to use the bike Like yeah, man, he's super smart too. He probably would say that I could see the rock being like yeah, he's uh He's a very quick thinker quick liner Also super strong and super fast and has lightning powers and can fly He's really great. He's pretty all around it. Yeah, that's pretty good stuff Um, so then dr. Fate goes into the apartment and he's like Uh, I am dr. Fate and uncle junkus is like, oh god, how bad is it dark?  He says electricity and he goes, but I'm an electrician I think that's kind of funny. Yeah mildly amusing. Yeah, I like, uh, I can't remember his name What are we calling the jungle jungle, right? I like jungle. I like his bit where he goes. How bad is it doc? Yeah, that's kind of funny. He says I like him. Yeah, and he looks like a doctor kind of I mean, yeah, and then we know from later that p.s. Brosnan gets him onto the ship to heal him. So it's like, okay, cool Yeah, but He's like, but I'm an electrician. That's good. I like it approve So, uh Yeah, then we get um, I think Oh, yeah, this is uh, so they tell us that like jungus was saved by the nanobots stuff, but there's this conversation that happens, um we Adam smasher is like, wow, those nanobots are really impressive and nanobots is how you do your wind thing, right? And then she says the wind thing is aerokinesis And that happened because a scientist injected me with nanobots when I was 15 Then he says like, wow, that's I'm sorry And then yeah Well, I just because I wanted to get the whole thing because it's really quick. He's like, oh, I'm sorry She's like, well, no, you know, I do this down. He's like, yeah, you found your calling. I hope this is mine And that is it, um Them like his characters that's about it for the whole movie now. Yeah Yeah, she has the ability she's an airbender because she was injected with nanobots How else would it be done? Wait people say Exposition it's like no, it's just really shitty dialogue. I don't even I'm not even aiming for expert I'm fine with them explaining to us what the hell's going on But to say like, oh, yes nanobots. That's how we're healing this man in front of us right now And also why I control the wind.  I was injected when I was 15 by a mad scientist.  What do we do for him? He's like, I'm hoping this is my calling Okay That's it for uh, those two more or less and I would go as far as saying that's almost unacceptable It's like these two deserve better than that the characters come on Yeah, and they're like main characters. They're part of the main superhero team And then you go back to Yeah, two nano machines, son Uh, you have lady who's really upset because the sun's taken and then p.s. Brosnan's like your thoughts are better spent on things You can change not those. You can't we will save amon. It's what we can do or what we will do or something I was just like that's that's better You do you have to sound like like this won't be with my relationship with this film's dialogue I'm oftentimes I'm like and then I'm like, okay The writers were were Intermittently somewhat talented Well, I was looking at it. I think I think there are three writers.  He says of course we did. That's how he entered rooms which This it's Like it makes it makes me think it's like I get because he's like, uh, yes, that was called sarcasm And it's like, yeah, but why isn't he entering places normally? What is with this guy?  Like Doesn't seem to but like, all right. It just seems it just seems to imply that he does that.  We must treat them with dignity and respect They're both like And then he just grabs them and flies up into into space That's probably like I don't know the closest I've come to at this point in the film to be in like You know adam's like a little bit more aware and Fucking around but at the same time I'm trying to figure out if there's something I'm enjoying there Is that what's happening? I don't know. It's like Uh, or is it just tolerable most of the time? I'm just tolerated. I'm like, yeah, that's there Yeah, with me I was just I was caught up on the sarcasm thing because all I could think was like, you know sarcasm is not a new invention like this My mind went immediately went back to Ancient sparta and how um, it was like one of being very quick-witted was one of the characteristics. I was really valued in that culture It's just very strange that they're doing the fish out of water thing with him not understanding sarcasm Which just it doesn't feel right That makes sense um Any problem is With the way this film's written for a moment I could be convinced if I were in this universe like oh no They had doors they've had doors for a while dude that they feel like oh like a character I could believe a character is like when did doors get invented like a year 1000 maybe Why not? Why not?    That man is like wearing a full-on metal He's like a pipe like it shouldn't he get struck by lightning immediately He'd think so I was just I was waiting for it to happen But uh, it just doesn't the fact that it's a storm. It's literally just to look cool. There's nothing to do with anything I was like, oh, okay And then the other thing is that he's holding the two of them He says i'm not going to drop them going to drop one of them And he says the the first person to start talking lives And so he's uh, one of them says Uh, I'm not telling you shit. And so he drops him then the second one sees that happen He goes, oh, okay. They're in a desert.  I know what that is Yeah, it's like probably could have found out where that was from the guy who was telling you everything that you just dropped him for no reason like He might have had more to tell you about how well it's guarded or something if you asked Yeah, you know Weird and then dr. Fate is like you said you wouldn't hit the prisoners and he says that was sarcasm It's why I was technically just a lie Which got a lot out of my cinema So Yeah, that was one of my I think that's one of the better ones Yeah Like you see what happens there is that they switch schwarzenegger films for a second from t2 to commando Oh, that's a good great one Yeah And then hawkman's like I told you to stop killing people He says I did it your way. I waited until you were there to save them And then dr. Fate says he has a point No, he doesn't and I was just like dude, what are you doing? What are you staring the pot bro? Oh, yeah, that was totally the good thing you do the meme Um, that he's a good man And then adam's like you call yourself a hero yet You'd let these people go free to hit more in the future and for a moment in the summer I was like, oh, we doing we doing the thing we doing it.  He just goes I do Oh my god, grandpa.  Um, it's just that it's it's not as impressive when he's just apparently invincible Uh, yeah Yeah, my my whole mind kind of glazed over during that fight because I knew nothing was going to happen No to either of them even dr. Faith in it knew he didn't care He was he's teleporting around the room avoiding them, which I thought was fun as well Uh, I'm here on wikipedia on hawkman's page and it even says in the powers and abilities things hawkman is known to have Slightly enhanced physical strength. Oh slight He's a strong boy in this one, which is fine, but you know Little more than slight Hmm He also has a his little weapon. It's like it can like phase into different weapons It didn't look like it was mechanical.   We're gonna keep it to themselves Because they're cunts kind of It's unacceptable, but like they'll they'll probably I imagine that's what the justice society would be like They're like, you know, this is our tools and we don't know we can't just we can't just we can't just give that to a hospital That would be crazy. That would be madness. It needs to be our special thing that we do We want to feel good about ourselves going around the world saving one person at a time. Yeah, we deserve it. Alrighty Chunk chunkel deserves it the the regular human. I'm glad they spent it on chunkel Especially because the justice society is like apparently