Welcome to all of our listeners. And now we will get started with our speaker today, Hazel Kiedel. She's gonna be sharing with us her presentation about keeping our passion alive as midwives. It's with great pleasure that I share with you about Hazel. She is Hazel Kiedel, is a lecturer of midwifery at the Western Sydney University and a PhD candidate. Hazel has worked in midwifery group practices and Aboriginal medical service, a variety of hospital settings, and as a privately practicing midwife in both city and regional locations. Hazel's passion for VBEC followed her own experience of having a VBEC with her daughter in 2008. And since then, she has published research on women's experiences of having a home birth after Caesarean. And her PhD work is on exploring women's experiences of planning a VBEC in Australia. Hazel loves her role as a lecturer of midwifery and midwifing the midwives of the future. Wonderful, Hazel, welcome. It is so wonderful to be here with you today. Thank you for being a part of this virtual day of the midwife. Thank you very much for that. Yes, I am a midwife and I am a lecturer. And I first did this presentation at a student midwife conference at our national conference last year in Canberra. And it was a lot of fun to give. So I'm very excited to give this again. It is based for student midwives, but I think really as a midwife anywhere in your career, it's nice to get a bit of a boost and maybe some tips on what you can do to keep your own passion alive. And I'm just wondering how I go through the slides. Well, would you? I'm sorry, no, I've got it now. Yep, excellent. You got it? Perfect. Yep, I have. Okay, so I've got about 10 top tips to go through and just a few little stories and pictures to go with them. So my first tip for student midwives was to learn on the go. If you want to learn more about an area of midwifery, go and work in it. So midwifery, like nursing really, midwifery can be very varied. We can work in the antenatal period. We can work in hospitals. We can work in childbirth education. We can work on labor wards, midwifery group practice. And because it's so varied, we can very quickly get comfortable in the area that we're working. But I think it's actually, if you get an interest in something, rather than just going, well, it's not my area and I'm just gonna read up on it maybe, it's actually better to just dive straight in and start and work in that area. And by working in it, that's the way that you're gonna learn more about that area. I certainly did this for the whole of my nursing and midwifery career. And I started nursing when I was only 19. And any area I was unsure about, I just would go and take a job in it. I started off an emergency nursing. And I never really understood the whole intubation thing. We used to get these wonderful nieces that would come along and stick these tubes down, these patients, and then they would connect them to this amazing machine that goes beep and kept them alive. I didn't really understand much about it. So after a couple of years and thinking I need to experience something else, I thought, I need to go to intensive care. I don't understand these ventilators. I wanna go and find out what it's all about. And so I went and I learned on the go. I then spent a bit of a time doing a bit of a crazy job in the islands of Indonesia, which is really fun. And I worked with professional divers who were doing marine biology research. And that got me interested in hyperbaric medicine because I had to learn about diving and I became a rescue diver. I did all these amazing dives. So when I then moved to Australia, I thought, well, there's a hyperbaric center here. I'll go and work there. And so I learned about hyperbaric medicine through going to work in it. I always wanted to be a midwife. It took me about 10 years of nursing until I was ready to do midwifery. And when I did, I followed the same kind of field. When I qualified, I wanted to become more of an expert midwife in low-risk women. So I got a job in a low-risk maternity unit rather than staying in the high-risk maternity unit that I had trained in. I really wanted to do homebirth. And how I kind of accidentally fell into homebirth is probably one that a few homebirth midwives have when all of a sudden you're getting a phone call and you turn up and you're there at a homebirth. I also wanted to learn about Aboriginal health. It's an area that really interested me and I understood that the challenges were so different from the challenges we were seeing in the hospital. And I was lucky enough to be able to work for a year in an Aboriginal medical service. And I learned so much from the women that I worked alongside and that I was a midwife for. So I really think, to keep that in mind, like if it's something that you've got an interest in, maybe it's gestational diabetes or maybe it's high-risk or maybe it's working with women who are going through cancer therapy, like if there's something specific or even more broad, then jump in and give it a go. So that's my first tip. My next tip is a little bit challenging in our COVID-19 era. But to stay up to date, attend conferences and be engaged with social media. And I did put this slide up with some of the ones that we're going to go ahead this year. But unfortunately, they've been put back. Obviously, we've got the ICM Channel Congress, which is now going to be next year. But you all kind of can tick that box already because you're here. You're here at the Virtual Institution of the Midwife, which I have been attending and speaking and facilitating out for many years. And it's one of my favorite events of the year. So by staying up to date, though, and going to come to those conferences, you're getting to meet people who are passionate like you. You're getting to hear about the current research that's out there or the ideas and the models of care that are a little bit different to your own. And when you're in your work and you're there every day and things can be challenging, then stepping out of that and actually being alongside other midwives, other researchers who are passionate about midwife can have such a major effect. The other with that is being engaged in social media and with social media. My dear friends and supervisor, Professor Hannah Darlin, her Facebook page is fantastic. She's up there and she's always sharing good information. There's also Twitter and Instagram. Here's a UK Fantastic Midwife researcher, Dr. Sarah Wickham is another example. But there are many out there to follow. And I think that's an important part of it. Your Facebook feed shouldn't just be all about your friends and your family. You should also be tapping into what are the current thinkings and what are the current challenges for midwives and not limiting it to what is normal for you. What's going on in other countries as well. I follow a fantastic midwife from Nepal and I love to see the comments and the information that she brings up to make me really think and make me challenge about my viewpoint here in Australia as an Australian midwife. The ICM China Congress, for those of you that are able to get along to any, just try and make it a life goal to be able to make it to one of them and hopefully at some point it will come to an area near you that you can then attend because it really is the Olympics of midwifery. It's a beautiful event to see all these midwives at the opening ceremony carrying their flags. I've been to one so far, I am going to be going to the Bali one and it just really enthuses me and it just keeps me going for those next few years when you're having challenging times in your work. So that was my second one, stay up to date, attend conferences and be engaged with social media. My next tip is remove your blinkers and look at the opportunities around you and I've got some beautiful photos here. Last year I was very lucky to be able to take nine student midwives, so Bachelor of Midwifery students from the University over to Nepal where we worked alongside some amazing charities that went out into the Chitwan area, into the Chupang Hills and to some other rural areas where there's very limited antenatal care and we really learn the stories of the women and what they went through. We also took some days for girls, kids out there which are gratefully received and we also worked with students with the nurses over there who were doing midwifery. We learned a lot about midwifery in Nepal and for my students it was amazing to see their whole worldview change around midwifery to realise that midwifery was so much more than what they were doing in their home hospital and with the women that they were seeing or in their local community that actually midwifery is an international profession and something that you don't understand until you're there and experiencing it and realising that women, although they may have different challenges to you, they still go through the same processes that you do and are really grateful for you to be there and the difference, a small difference. We were only there for three weeks but the small differences that can make. In one particular village we met the traditional midwife, whose mother was the traditional midwife and then now she's the traditional midwife and she was hungry for knowledge. She would just soak it up, she sat in the clinic alongside me and she would present the women who were pregnant and tell me all their stories and they would tell me their stories and then with a student we would do an unsatal clinic and I honestly think I learnt more from her than she learnt from me. But then a few weeks later or maybe even a month or so later we got sent a photo from one of the charity staff over there where she was hugging some women that we had met who were pregnant and they're holding their babies and she wanted to share that information with us and to show that she was so grateful for the small information we shared with her. But now the students are now graduated midwives and I'm very, very proud of them. I have got that from the beginning of their career onwards and there are lots of opportunities out there. It's not just our university, many universities have programmes like this where you can go and experience this but also as a qualified midwife you can as well. It doesn't have to be just an experience as a student midwife. See what's out there. There are so many different opportunities. There are Facebook groups such as Volunteer Midwife is a really good one that you can tap in and go where can I help and where can I serve? And what can I do and what can I learn about midwifery? And if you're stagnant in what you're doing right now and you just want inspiration and opportunity obviously once international travel is allowed again then this might be your time to go and now I need to go to a different place and to get that passion from midwifery back again. Okay, that's that. So let's go on to my next one which is make plans for your careers. There's a bit of a boring slide this one but I give this across to students and midwives because there's often a bit of a groan at this point and my pug just snored like a big groan because they're hoping that at the end of the three years that's it, that's the end of their study. They don't need to do any more assignments and then I'm kind of a bit rude and I go, well, actually, this is just the beginning of your study.  Now those plans can change and this year has shown us that many, many plans will change and they can change really quickly but you can still be moving towards what you want to do. So in Australia, we have this role called an endorse midwife which means that you can get endorsed to write prescriptions and order ultrasounds and diagnostics and you need to be endorsed to be able to provide home birth services but it's not something that just happens overnight. You don't just go, okay, I've been a postgraduate for three years now and I can now be a home birth midwife. There's actually a lot of planning that's involved with that. There's a course that you need to do at university. There's certain experiences that you need to have. There's certain hours that you need to build up. So that's where I talk about, make some plans for your career. Where do you want to be in five years time? What area of midwifery do you want to be working in and what do you need to do to get there? Is it home birth midwifery? Is it midwifery group practice? Is it working in high-risk care? What is it that you want to do and then what do you need to do to get there? Also be aware that not all courses lead to the same point. If you think in the future that maybe research is something that might interest you and believe me, I never thought that at all and now I'm right at the end of my PhD. And I love research, like just get me started on research and I could just talk all day. But if that is something that you're interested in, then touch base with a researcher or an academic and say, what do I need to do to get there? Because you'd be surprised that not all postgraduate courses will actually lead you in the pathway that you want to go to, but they often sound very good on paper. So just be critical about what you're going to be doing. All right, your next one is, oh, I've kind of covered a little bit of this already, but take further education seriously and be smart about what you choose to study. Like I said, they don't all lead to the same pathway and look at the credentials of the university that you're looking at that you're wanting to go to as well and I can see Lara has just said she wants to become a lactation consultant and exactly. So look at what is it that you need to do to do that and what are your steps that you need to do to get that?  The best way to find that out is to contact one that's in your area. My other little comment about universities and this can be freely for any course is if you're going to choose a university unless you're very restricted because of where you live and there's only one that you can go to, there was so many online options these days, where are the experts in the field working? Because that's often gonna be a very inspired university to go and work at. If they're publishing, if they're good researchers and they're inspiring leaders, then they've probably got an inspiring team that they're working alongside and it's that team that are gonna be teaching you and they're designing the course that you're doing. So really don't just go, well, this is the course I wanna do, it looks fantastic. Do a little bit of digging. Who's working there? Do you know those names or you read this amazing piece of research? Well, what's that person doing and where do they teach? I think it makes a really big impact, especially when you're then looking, if you are looking at doing research, because that makes you very critical about who you want to be on your team. This is a bit of a serious one.  I have in my midwifery career, unfortunately being bullied. And it was severe. It was kind of in secret. I don't really think that the staff members I was working alongside really knew the level that I was being bullied by management. I don't think they really saw the impact of it. But the impact on me was huge. I had a period of, of illness, I had to go on stress leave. And then once I applied to go on to stress leave through a workers and health and safety compensation, I was told by the manager who was doing the bullying that that would never get through, that I would never get paid for that. It was a really difficult time for me being bullied, yet being passionate about what you want to do. And yeah, it's really horrible. And we have lost so many midwives to the profession and probably midwives lives that because bullying has become so difficult to live with. When you're going to work makes you feel sick. When driving to work makes you choose, think about choosing between driving to work and choosing a tree to drive into. It is serious. And we don't take it seriously enough. And it's really the other thing I say about don't become a bully. It's actually easier, isn't it? To kind of follow the flow than it is to stand up against it.  And she never does anything right in the other way that she speaks to women. And then other people are joining in on her. She was terrible. She was so horrible. And her English language skills are that great. And no one can ever understand what she's saying. It just becomes insidious. And everyone kind of joins in because you want to be part of that group. I assume. I don't get it because I've never been able to do that. But I know that some people do. It's probably harder to step in and say, I don't think that's a conversation you should be having. But I actually think that is what we should be doing. We need to call it out. We need to call it out and say, that is bullying. And you cannot speak like that. And often when you point that out to somebody, when you actually point that out in front of the group that they're saying the information to, that's enough to nip something in the bud that could have escalated so much more. I had a beautiful story of a student recently who was taken a handover. So the woman had come up with another midwife from having her baby in labor ward up to the postnatal ward. And as the student was taken a handover from the midwife, the midwife started talking badly about a student, which seems a bit crazy to say that to another student, but still they were talking badly about a student. And that student who was taken the handover called it out and said, I don't think that's professional, the way that you're speaking to me. And I don't think it's fair. And that stopped it. And that other student found out about it and in a positive way then felt that there was someone there with her back and someone there that was supporting her, which I like to talk about this ugly area of bullying, but it happens. For me, I moved out of the area and actually my home birth midwifery business then skyrocketing that year when I decided to go, that's it, I'm not coming back to be bullied by you. But during that period of time, there was one shift and I won't forget it. And a beautiful student midwife was working, I've done a few births with her. And I was in the storeroom looking for something and I was a little bit upset about something somebody had said that day. And this student midwife came in and she pushed the door closed and she said to me, look, I don't really know what's going on right now with you, but I know that something is and I know that you're really upset and I know that you're not the midwife you used to be because something is happening. But I just need to let you know that because of the birth that I did with you, that's the reason I'm still a student midwife and that you are an amazing midwife and I just want you to know that.  I went home and I thought, okay, this is an issue with these people that are bullying me and not with everyone else that I'm working with and I can still make a positive impact to midwifery.   Okay, moving on. Okay, so if you have an experience that gives you more questions than answers, then explore it. This is a woman here having an amazing and she loves me sharing her picture and having a V-back after two Cisarians at home. V-back gave me a lot of questions. I had a V-back of my own in 2008 and it left me with more questions than answers. Questions such as, I feel so fantastic right now. Is this just me? Because I pushed a baby through my vagina or do other women who've had a V-back feel like this as well? That was one of my questions. One of my other questions was, I had a really hard time in labor. I was being pushed around, I was being told I needed to go for a Cisarian. And it was a real, I had real challenges with other healthcare providers whilst I was in labor.  And I was in a very obviously compromised position. And that made me question, well, I'm a midwife. They knew me at that hospital. They knew that I was a midwife and that's how I got treated. How would any other woman without that knowledge ever have a V-back? And what are their experiences like? Those questions really catapulted me into becoming a researcher and publishing on V-back and spending the last 11 years really focusing on women's experiences of planning and having a V-back in Australia. If you get that burning desire of a question and it might be a small question, it might be a big one, it might be something you've personally experienced or something that you've observed, then go and do something about it. It could just be reading a paper and learning more about the topic. It could be something more than that. It could be setting up local support groups. It could be looking at turning that into a research question and doing a higher research degree in that area. It could be that you end up becoming an expert in that area, just because you had a needle and you had something really burning question that you wanted to go and follow. So yeah, that's my tip here. Really, if you've got those questions, go and find out what those answers are. I don't know if you can hear my pug snoring in the background, but at least it's better than him parking. It's hilarious. Okay, this is another tip for me. Give contingency of care ago, oh, thanks, Wyd. We all know contingency of care, midwifery contingency of care is the gold standard of care, but we don't all get to experience it either as a woman or as a midwife. But why is that? Why don't we do that? So it might just be the fact that it's not available in your area. You cannot move to a different area, and in your area, there are no midwifery contingency of care models. Well, what can you do? Well, maybe you can get a bit behind the scenes and find out why there isn't, and what is there that you can do to maybe start suggesting that your area needs to have contingency of care models. But maybe it's because you're scared about doing it. If you're a new graduate midwife, you might think, well, I don't have enough experience yet. Well, if that's the case, maybe just go and have a chat with the midwifery group practice in your area and ask them what you need to be able to work as a group practice midwife or in a contingency of care model. And then you can go back to one of those further proceeding slides which said, plan for the future now that you know that you need extra amount of years before you can do it, then you can plan for that and what do you need to do in that time? But if you've already got all the credentials you need to work in it, but you're worried that the lifestyle isn't for you or you don't wanna be on call or it's gonna be too much of an impact for your family, then they're all just questions that you're not gonna know until you give it a go. It can be absolutely challenging. I have done some amazing birthing and family responsibilities in the same day. I remember driving when I was a private midwife, driving, I had a woman who had a baby about three hours away from me and it happened to be my daughter's birthday and Red can relate because Red had to say that she was unsure whether she could make this session today because of the same issue. But it's happening, you're on call, you just never know when it's gonna happen and I drove all the way for three hours. I made this birth and the birth was fantastic and I'm driving back and I knew that the party that we'd arranged for home, my husband was working so I was the only one that could do this party. The party started at four o'clock that afternoon because kids were coming after school and I rarely had birthday parties for my kids. I feel really sad for them because it was such a nightmare to ever organize but I had this one planned and I managed to get back by about half past three and from about half past three onwards and I'd been gone from the night before, I was baking like crazy and everyone turned up at four o'clock and to my dismay, all the mums just sat around and watched me as I'm going crazy trying to bake all these cakes and stuff but luckily we had a bouncy castle in the backyard and they all just went and all the kids went and jumped on that while I continued getting the food together. Sometimes it's a near miss, sometimes you do miss things altogether but on the whole big scheme of things, there are other things like you only get called out during the night when women are in labor and they're women that you've got a relationship with and you don't mind, you get excited and you're pumped and you get there much quicker than you're expecting to rather than those endless night shifts where you're trying to find yourself things to do and they're really hard to do. So I guess if you haven't done it before and you're worrying about doing it, just give it a go. You just don't know how amazing it will be. Midwife means with woman and I think you really don't get that until you've given intensive care ago. Remember your why and this is something I'd love you to share on here. When you're a student, we often ask them on the first day why do you want to be a midwife? We might ask them in an interview before they even start. Why do you want to be a midwife? And you know it at that point and often by the end of your three years or four years however long your degree is you may forget why it was that you wanted to become a midwife. So I suggest you try and tap into why it was and write it down and have that somewhere for you to remember because there are times when you have a really hard shift or you have had an argument too many at work or you've looked after a really distressing scenario there can be days where you need to be reminded of what your why was. So if you can think of it right now feel free to share it in the public chat if you feel like it's something you can share because I think there'll be so many different ones and I thought about this morning, you know what is my why? And through my nursing, I always knew I loved women's health and I wanted to work in women's health and I wanted to be an autonomous practitioner that could work alongside women during their pregnancy and I think that's really what led me into being a midwife. That and my granny being a midwife and telling me I was going to be one. But there were so many different ones and I think it's so important to keep your why nearby so that you can check in on it on the times that you're having a bad day. So Cecilia shared that she's a midwife because the best birth possible is the best start for the new family. That's true, like we make such a difference to women's lives and to family's lives. And yeah, we can never really, we can't be replaced. Midwives can't be replaced. We have such an important job to do. Oh, I've got a whole load of ones coming through. So Sarah O'Connor is a beautiful woman who's just put a comment on there. We wrote a chapter together in the new book, Canary in the Coal Mine. And Sarah shared her HVAC story, which I'll say whenever I read it, her home birth episode is their own story. I still get teared up. And so she wants to be an advocate for women like she experienced with her home birth with private midwives. Absolutely, Sarah. I can absolutely understand and so excited that you're in the field now as a student midwife. It's so exciting. And Red says there's nothing more magical than being a part of first breaths for babies and also new mums. That's right. It is absolutely amazing to do a while. I'll let you keep typing that while I continue. Oh, my final one, be kind to yourself. And I think really important right now because we are in such a difficult time and my hearts and mind go out to your midwives who are working on the front line right now with the whole COVID-19 crisis.  And so I shared some silly pictures there. There's the picture of the pug that's been snoring in the background. My kids and my husband, we play board games. And that's kind of what we like to do when we go for walks and with the dog. And that's my way of kind of being kind to myself and being taken some time out of the stressful job, the wonderful job of being an academic midwife, but it still has its moments. And yes, this is what we do. So really think, what is it that you do to be kind to yourself? And if you are a student midwife right now in the middle of study, you may have thrown everything out of the window that you ever did to be kind to yourself. You don't have the time to juggle other things on top of getting your assignments done, doing your shifts and getting to university. I understand that, but maybe you need to rekindle some of those. I get it. I've been doing a PhD while working full-time and with a very amazing but busy family. You still need to have some time to get out there and discover it for yourself. And whether that's family time or your own me time, as long as you feel that that time is being kind to yourself. I have a quick look. I'm there, Ruth said, she had okay care for her first baby, but knew that midwives can be amazing. And I wanted to be like she was and to have as much passion for my job. That's true. We really do have a good passion. Nikki has started exercising again, life changing, absolutely. And then Rihanna says, I'm studying because I would feel privileged to be able to support, empower and educate women to achieve a positive experience. The career is dynamic, exciting and ever evolving. It certainly is ever evolving. It's very challenging job to do. So that's kind of my little 10 top tips. I hope you found them useful. And even if you just remember one or two of them, then that might be something that's good for you. But the most important one I think I've put at the end is to be kind to yourself. But I'm loving all the comments. I've loved all the ways, all the why, the why as you've become a midwife and really hold onto those. And that's something that we can all learn from too. And then just my very last slide is one of the other things I do is I have a little Hazel Keedle V-Back researcher. One of the things I wanna do to give back to women is to just put these little videos together about V-Back research. There's only about four or five on there at the moment. I will do some more once I've finished all my big writing. But feel free to go and find me there at V-Back Matters where I put these little educational short animation videos for women to use and for yourselves as midwives and other healthcare professionals to concisely understand what the V-Back research is out there saying. And I think that's me done. And there's my contact details. Amazing, thank you Hazel for sharing all of that. I love so many of your tips. I think they all resonated with me so much. There's parts of your story that I can definitely relate to as well. So we have time now to be able to open up to questions. From our delegates and participants. If you want to speak to Hazel, you are welcome to or you can type them into the chat as well. I love what you were bringing in about the bullying. I think sometimes we don't talk about that enough. And it's something that for me as a midwife has always baffled me where I feel like so many of us get into the profession because we feel so passionate about supporting women during these powerful, vulnerable times of pregnancy and birthing to not be bullied. And yet, we forget about that part for ourselves and also for our sisters. So it's a really powerful part. Yeah, and the term of the midwives, either young, like that's not fair because often the young ones then won't come through. We really need to support our students that are going through a really challenging time. And I really cherish our students. I love midwifing the midwives of the future. But I hear their stories and it's challenging what they go through. It really is. And then it's almost, if they have a really hard time they might not even realize it but they then do the same to the next lot of students coming through as well.  Yeah, that's really true. I love the self-responsibility. We have a question here.  So being working with midwives to present a negative view of the profession. That is really challenging. And you'd hear this a lot in nursing as well as in midwifery. Or you wouldn't want to do this job. I think that's where you look at some of these other things. Like look at what else is out there. What can you do as a student that would be different to where you are right now? And you can actually tap in with midwives who are excited. Is it you're looking at saving up and looking at an overseas trip at some point where you can work in in a different area with midwives who are passionate? Or is it as simply, you know, as you think in during your three years who has been a passionate midwife? Who has made an impact to you, Alison? And then asking them if they could be your mentor. You know, actually I'm having a really difficult time. Right now I have all these midwives of negative attitudes, but you seem to be different. Could you help me? Could you be a mentor for me? And so that you have someone that you can bounce off and that can negate those experiences for you.  So that might be something you look at. And if you can't find that from any of your own experiences, then you know, connect with other midwives either at conferences like this or online and find somebody that you know, you really appreciate online and let them know and keep conversations going with that as well. And you can tell from on here there's a whole load of passionate midwives on here. I'm absolutely passionate in Midwifery. I love it. I think it's the most life-changing and impacting work that we can do as women. And it's, you know, it really pushed me into realizing how important feminism is in Midwifery. And we need to be supporting and advocating for women, but also for ourselves and for our colleagues. Yeah, so it's true. I think having the courage to change out of the scene if we can to move on to something that is more positive and supporting for us is so essential because the burnout rate is so high for midwives. So I see so much also with student midwives sometimes because of the influences going on in their surroundings with their preceptors or whatever is so negative that the burnout happens even before they finish school. It's just so tragic. Absolutely, absolutely. And then you think, well, what is it in that area? I mean, in that department or on that ward or in that unit that's making it negative. And it doesn't need to be like that. And if it's not something that you can identify and that you can come up with suggestions with, then you're not losing if you leave. I know when midwives are feeling bullied and going through bullying, often you think, if I leave, then they've won. But what if they won? They would just find somebody else to bully. What you're trying to keep is your own self-esteem and your own self-respect. And there is nothing wrong with leaving a situation and finding it somewhere else because the door that you close and then the door that you open might just lead you to opportunities that you never knew were there. And this is exactly what we share with the women that we work with as well, right? Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, we say that you can say no. Yeah, we need to take our own advice a little more sometimes. Absolutely. We have a few more minutes for the question. So please go ahead and continue to answer. The comment here, VG said to Alison who made that comment about the negative midwives. I've gone through the same thing. I kept going back to my why and the initial people who inspired me to choose midwifery yet really important. And Tammy's an important point there that you don't need to socialize with them. So if they're negative people, don't let that leak into your social life as well. Try and find like-minded people that would be choice of friends out of work hours, absolutely, absolutely. And they are there because we're all here.  So absolutely, find your support. Yeah, and I love your third tip that you brought in about all of the amazing avenues that we have to expand in as midwives. It's one thing that keeps it so exciting for me. I did training sort of 10 years into my career as a biodynamic cranial cycle practitioner. So all the potential of body work to so many modalities like reflexology or like lactation and so many things that we can just keep on adding to our list of services that we can support women and moms. Absolutely, and it's not always, it always doesn't always have to have the title midwife in it. It's something that you can bring in. Especially in all of the thinking about all the alternative and therapeutic services that are out there and what you can do to bring those in and how that can then impact your midwifery practice and then you can use that to educate other midwives too. So yeah, there's so much out there. No education is wasted before I became a nurse and before I became a midwife, whilst I was sort of nursing, I did become a certified aromatherapist and massage therapist. And certainly in my midwifery times with women, they were very helpful schools to have and knowledge to have with women. So yeah, there's a lot out there that you can learn. Yeah, and I was curious to ask you also if you knew that research was your thing early on. So it was interesting to hear you say in your presentation that that kind of found you more than you knowing. Yeah, absolutely. I do remember in one of the courses I did before I became a midwife, there was a research unit to it and there were things about it that kind of interested me and I got to kind of put a proposal together, but it didn't really capture me. It didn't make me think I want a career in this at all. So it was more having these questions and wanting to find out more about these questions and then actually going to somebody with those questions. So I actually had a unplanned meeting with Professor Hannah Darlin once at a community forum where I shared my story about my feedback and she listened and she's like, you could do research in that. And then looking into that and going down that path of what that meant. But I'm really glad that it was somebody like Hannah that I bumped into and I had that conversation with because she really understood the pathways to get there. So that's something I would add. And if you think, maybe this is research or maybe this is writing a book or this is doing this online course, reach out to really good people who understand the process. It saves a lot of time and angst, I think. And it's such a good reminder that the more we put ourselves out there, the more chances are that we have that so-called chance meeting with someone who might really just alter the course of our career. So that's really inspiring. Thank you so much. Well, I look forward to maybe we can meet in person at the ICM, the Olympics. I thought it'd be wonderful. I'm sad, I loved that. Yeah, I'm planning to be there as well. I was disappointed to miss it this year, but never mind, we try next year again.


Hi, I'm Peter Burris, and welcome to a special digital community event brought to you by Wikibon and theCUBE. Sponsored by Dell EMC today, we're going to spend quite some time talking about some of the trends in the relationship between hardware and AI. Specifically, we're seeing a number of companies do some masterful work incorporating new technologies to simplify the infrastructure required to take full advantage of AI options and possibilities. Now, at the end of this conversation, series of conversations, we're going to run a crowd chat, which will be your opportunity to engage your peers and engage thought leaders from Dell EMC and from Wikibon SiliconANGLE and have a broader conversation about what does it mean to be better at doing AI, more successful, improving time to value, et cetera. So wait till the very end for that.  Tom Burns is my first guest, and he is the Senior Vice President and General Manager of Networking Solutions at Dell EMC. Tom, it's great to have you back again. Welcome back to theCUBE. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. So Tom, this is going to be a very, very exciting conversation we're going to have, and it's going to be about AI. So when you go out and talk to customers specifically, what are you hearing them as they describe their needs, their wants, their aspirations as they pertain to AI? Yeah, you know, Pete, we've always been looking at this as this whole digital transformation. Some studies say that about 70% of enterprises today are looking at how to take advantage of the digital transformation that's occurring. In fact, you're probably familiar with the Dell 2030 survey where we went out and talked to about 400 different companies of very different sizes, and they're looking at all these connected devices at edge computing and all the various changes that are happening from a technology standpoint. And certainly AI is one of the hottest areas. There was a report, I think, that was cosponsored by ServiceNow. Over 62% of the CIOs and the Fortune 500 are looking at AI as far as managing their business in the future, and it's really about user outcomes. It's about how do they improve their businesses, their operations, their processes, their decision-making, using the capability of compute coming down from a cost perspective and the number of connected devices exploding, bringing more and more data to their companies that they can use, analyze, and put to use cases that really make a difference in their business. But they make a difference in their business, but they're also, often, these use cases are a lot more complex. They're not, we have this little bromide that we use that the first 50 years of computing were about known process, unknown technology. We're now entering into an era where we know a little bit more about the technology. It's going to be cloud-like, but we don't know what the processes are because we're engaging directly with customers or partners in much more complex domains. That suggests a lot of things. How are customers dealing with that new level of complexity, and where are they looking to simplify? You actually nailed it on the head. You know, what's happening in our customer's environment is they're hiring these data scientists to really look at this data. And instead of looking at analyzing the data that's being connected, that's being analyzed and connected, they're spending more time worried about the infrastructure and building the components and looking about allocations of capacity in order to make these data scientists productive. And really, what we're trying to do is help them get through that particular hurdle. So you have the data scientists that are frustrated because they're waiting for the IT department to help them set up and scale the capacity that they need and infrastructure that they need in order to do their job. And then you got the IT departments that are very frustrated because they don't know how to manage all this infrastructure. So the question around, do I go to the cloud or remain on-prem, all of this is things that our companies or our customers are continuing to be challenged with. Now the ideal would be that you can have a cloud experience, but have the data reside where it most naturally resides, given physics, given the cost, given bandwidth limitations, given regulatory regimes, et cetera. So how are you at Dell EMC helping to provide that sense of an experience based on what the workload is and where the data resides as opposed to some other set of infrastructure choices? Well, that's the exciting part is that we're getting ready to announce a new solution called the Ready solution for AI. And what we've been doing is working with our customers over the last several years looking at these challenges around infrastructure, the data analytics, the connected devices, but giving them an experience that's real-time, not letting them worry about how am I gonna set this up or management and so forth. So we're introducing the Ready solution for AI which really focuses on three things. One is simplify the AI process. The second thing is to ensure that we give them deep and real-time analytics and lastly provide them the level of expertise that they need in a partner in order to make those tools useful and that information useful to their business. Now we want to not only provide AI to the business, but we also want to start utilizing some of these advanced technologies directly into the infrastructure elements themselves to make it more simple. Is that a big feature of what the Ready system for AI is? Absolutely. As I said, one of the key value propositions is around making AI simple. We are experts at building infrastructure. We have IP around compute, storage, networking, infinity band, the things that are capable of putting this infrastructure together. So we've tested that based upon customer's input using traditional data analytics, libraries and tool sets that the data scientists are going to use already pre-tested and certified. And then we're bringing this to them in a way which allows them through a service provisioning portal to basically set up and get to work much faster. The previous tools that were available out there, some from our competition, there were 15, 20, 25 different steps just to log on just to get enough automation or enough capability in order to get the information that they need, the infrastructure allocated for this big data analytics. Through this service portal, we've actually gotten it down to about five clicks with a very user-friendly GUI, no CLI required, and basically again interacting with the tools that they're used to immediately rather than gate like in stage three, and then getting them to work in stage four and stage five so that they're not worried about the infrastructure, not worried about capacity or is it going to work. They basically are one, two, three, four clicks away and they're up and working on the analytics that everyone wants them to work on and heaven knows these guys are not cheap. So you're talking about the data scientists, so presumably when you're saying they're not worried about all those things, they're also not worried about when the IT department can get around to doing it. So this gives them the opportunity to self-provision. Am I got that right? That's correct. They don't need the IT to come in and set up the network to do the CLI for the provisioning to make sure that there's enough VMs or workloads that are properly scheduled in order to give them the capacity that they need. They basically are set with the preset platform. Again, let's think about what Dell EMC is really working towards and that's becoming the infrastructure provider. We believe that the silos of server storage and networking are becoming eliminated, that companies want a platform that they can enable those capabilities. So you're absolutely right. The part about the simplicity or the simplifying the process is really giving the data scientists the tools they need to provision the infrastructure they need very quickly. And so that means that the AI or rather the IT group can actually start acting more like a DevOps organization as opposed to specialists in one or another technology. Correct, but we've also given them the capability by giving the usual automation and configuration tools that they're used to coming from some of our software partners such as Cloudera. So in other words, you still want the IT department involved making sure that the infrastructure is meeting the requirements of the users. They're giving them what they want, but we're simplifying the tools and processes around the IT standpoint as well. Now we've done a lot of research into what's happening in the big data now is likely to happen in the AI world. And a lot of the problems that companies had with big data was they conflated or they confused the objectives, the outcome of a big data project with just getting the infrastructure to work and they walked away often because they failed to get the infrastructure to work. So it sounds as though what you're doing is you're trying to take the infrastructure out of the equation while at the same time going back to the customer and saying wherever you want this job to run or this workload to run, you're going to get the same experience regardless. Correct, but we're going to get an approved experience as well because of the products that we put together in this particular solution, combined with our compute, our scale out NAS solution from a storage perspective, our partnership with Mell and Ostrman, Infinity Band or Ethernet switching capability, we're going to give them deeper insights and faster insights. The performance and scalability of this particular platform is tremendous. We believe in certain benchmark studies based upon the Resnick 50 benchmark, we perform anywhere between two and a half to almost three times faster than competition. In addition, from a storage standpoint, you know, all of these workloads, all of the various characteristics that happen, you need a ton of IOPS. And there's no one in the industry that has the IOPS performance that we have with our all flash, Isilon product. The capabilities that we have there we believe are somewhere around nine times the competition. Again, the scale out performance while simplifying the overall architecture. Tom Burns, Senior Vice President of Networking and Solutions at Dell EMC. Thanks for being on theCUBE. Thank you very much. So there were some great points there about this new class of technology that dramatically simplifies how hardware can be deployed to improve the overall productivity and performance of AI solutions. But let's take a look at a product demo. Every week, more customers are telling us they know AI is possible for them, but they don't know where to start. Much of the recent progress in AI has been fueled by open source software. So it's tempting to think that do it yourself is the right way to go. Get some how-to references from the web and start building out your own distributed deep learning platform. But it takes a lot of time and effort to create an enterprise class AI platform with automation for deployment, management and monitoring. There is no easy solution for that until now. Instead of putting the burden of do it yourself on your already limited staff, consider Dell EMC Ready Solutions for AI. Ready Solutions are complete software and hardware stacks pre-tested and validated with the most popular open source AI frameworks and libraries. Our professional services with proven AI expertise will have the solution up and running in days and ready for data scientists to start working in weeks. Data scientists will find the Dell EMC Data Science Provisioning Portal a welcome change for managing their own hardware and software environments. The portal lets data scientists acquire hardware resources from the cluster and customize their software environment with packages and libraries tested for compatibility with all dependencies. Data scientists choose between Jupyter Hub notebooks for interactive work as well as terminal sessions for large-scale neural networks. These neural networks run across the high-performance cluster of PowerEdge servers with scalable Intel processors and scale out Icelon storage that delivers up to 18 times the throughput of its closest All Flash competitor. IT Pros will experience that AI is simplified as Bright Cluster Manager monitors your cluster for configuration drift down to the server BIOS using exclusive integration with Dell EMC's OpenManage APIs for PowerEdge. This solution provides comprehensive metrics along with automatic health checks they keep an eye on the cluster and will alert you when there's trouble. Ready solutions for AI are the only platforms they keep both data-centered professionals and data scientists productive and getting along. IT operations are simplified and that produces a more consistent experience for everyone. Data scientists get a customizable high-performance deep learning service experience that can eliminate monthly charges spent on public cloud by keeping your data under your control. It's always great to see the product videos but Tom Burns mentioned something earlier. He talked about the expansive expertise that Dell EMC has in bringing together advanced hardware and advanced software into more simple solutions that can liberate business value for customers especially around AI. And so to really test that out we sent Jeff Rick who's the general manager and host of theCUBE down to the bowels of Dell EMC's operations in Austin, Texas. Jeff went and visited the Dell EMC HPC and AI Innovation Lab and met with Garima Cocher who's a technical staff senior principal engineer. Let's hear what Jeff learned. And we're excited to have with us our next guest. She's Garima Cocher. She's on the technical staff and the senior principal engineer at Dell EMC. Welcome. Thank you. From my perspective, what's kind of changing in the landscape from high performance computing which has been around for a long time into more of the AI and machine learning and deep learning and stuff we hear about much more in business context today. High performance computing has applicability across a broad range of industries. So not just national labs and supercomputers but commercial space as well. And our lab, we've done a lot of that work in the last several years. And then the deep learning algorithms, those have also been around for decades. But what we're finding right now is that the algorithms and the hardware, the technologies available have hit that perfect point along with industry's interest with the amount of data we have to make it more what we would call mainstream. So you can build kind of optimum solutions but ultimately you want to build industry solutions and then even subset of that you invite customers in to optimize for what their particular workflow or their particular business case which may not match the perfect benchmark spec at all, right? That's exactly right. And so that's the reason this lab is set up for customer access because we do the standard benchmarking but you want to see, what is my experience with this? How does my code work? And it allows us to learn from our customers of course and it allows them to get comfortable with Dell technologies to work directly with the engineers and the experts so that we can be their true partners and trusted advisors and help them advance their research, their science, their business goals. So you guys build the whole rack out, right? Not just the fun shiny new toys. Yeah, you're right. So typically when something fails, it fails spectacularly, right? So I'm sure you've heard horror stories where there was equipment on the dock and it wouldn't fit in the elevator or things like that, right? So there are lots of other teams that handle of course Dell's really good at this, the logistics piece of it but even within the lab, when you walk around the lab, you'll see our racks are set up with power meters. So we do power measurements. Whatever best practices and tuning we come up with, we feed that into our factory. So if you buy a solution, say targeted for HPC, it would come with different bias tuning options than a regular say Oracle database workload. We have this integration into our software deployment methods. So when you have racks and racks of equipment or one rack of equipment or maybe even three servers and you're doing an installation or all the pieces are baked in already and everything is easy, seamless, easy to operate. So our idea is the more that we can do in building integrated solutions that are simple to use and performant, the less time our customers and their technical computing and ID departments have to spend worrying about the equipment and they can focus on their unique and specific use case. Right. Do you guys have a services arm as well? Yeah, we're an engineering lab which is why it's really messy, right? Like if you look at the racks, if you look at the work we do, we're a working lab, we're an engineering lab, we're a product development lab and of course we have a support arm, we have a services arm and sometimes if we're working with net new technologies, we conduct training in the lab for our services and support people but we're an engineering organization and so when customers come into the lab and work with us, they work with it from a engineering point of view, not from a pre-sales point of view or a services point of view. Kind of what's the benefit of having the experience in this broader set of applications as you can apply it to some of the newer, more exciting things around AI, machine learning, deep learning. Right, so the fact that we are a shared lab, right? Like the bulk of this lab has a high performance computing in AI but there's lots of other technologies and solutions we work on over here and there's other labs in the building that we work, that we have colleagues in as well. The first thing is that the technology building blocks for several of these solutions are similar, right? So when you're looking at storage areas, when you're looking at Linux kernels, when you're looking at network cards or solid state drives or NVMe, several of the building block technologies are similar and so when we find interoperability issues, which you would think that there would never be any problems, you'd throw all these things together, they always work like, Of course. Right, so when you sometimes rarely find an interoperability issue, that issue can affect multiple solutions and so we share those best practices because we engineers sit next to each other and we discuss things with each other, we're part of the larger organization. Similarly, when you find tuning options and nuances and parameters for performance or for energy efficiency, those also apply across different domains. So while you might think of Oracle as something that was done for years, with every iteration of technology, there's new learning and that applies broadly across anybody using enterprise infrastructure. Right, what gets you excited? What are some of the things that you see like, I'm so excited that we can now apply this horsepower to some of these problems out there. Right, so that's a really good point, right? Because most of the time when you're trying to describe what you do, it's hard to make everybody understand, well, not in what you're doing, right? But sometimes with deep technology, it's hard to explain what's the actual value of this and so a lot of what we're doing in terms of exascale, it's to grow like the human body of knowledge forward to grow the science happening in each country, moving that forward. And that's kind of at the higher end when you talk about national labs and defense and everybody understands that needs to be done. But when you find that your social media is doing some face recognition, everybody experiences that and everybody sees that. And when you're trying to describe the, we're all talking about driverless cars or we're all talking about, oh, it took me so long because I had this insurance claim and then I had to get an appointment with the appraiser and they had to come in. I mean, those are actual real world use cases where some of these technologies are going to apply. So even industries where you didn't think of them as being leading edge on the technical forefront in terms of IT infrastructure and digital transformation, in every one of these places, you're going to have an impact of what you do, whether it's drug discovery, right? Or whether it's next generation gene sequencing, or whether it's designing the next car, like pick your favorite car, or when you're flying in an aircraft, the engineers who were designing the engine and the blades and the rotors for that craft were using technologies that you work with. And so now it's everywhere, everywhere you go with, we talked about 5G and IoT and edge computing. I mean, we all work on this collectively. So it's our world. Okay, so the last question before I let you go, just having the resources to bear in terms of being in your position to do the work when you've got the massive resources now behind you of Dell, the merger of EMC, all the subset brands, Isilon, so many brands, how does that help you do your job better? What does that let you do here in this lab that probably a lot of other people can't do? Yeah, exactly. So when you're building complex solutions, there's no one company that makes every single piece of it. But the tighter that things work together, the better that they work together, and that's directly through all the technologies that we have in the Dell Technologies Umbrella and with Dell EMC, and that's because of our super close relationships with our partners that allows us to build these solutions that are painless for our customers and our users. And so that's the advantage we bring. This lab and our company. All right, Grimli, well thank you for taking a few minutes, your passion shines through. Thank you. I really liked hearing about what Dell EMC is doing in their innovation labs down in Austin, Texas, but it all comes together for the customer. And so the last segment that we want to bring you here is a great segment, Nick Okuru, who's the Vice President of Big Data Analytics at MasterCard is here to talk about how some of these technologies are coming together to speed value and realize potential of AI at MasterCard. Nick, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you for letting me be here. So MasterCard, tell us a little bit about what's going on at MasterCard. There's a lot that's going on with MasterCard, but I think the most exciting things that we're doing on MasterCard right now is with artificial intelligence and how we're bringing the ability for artificial intelligence to really allow a seamless transition when someone is actually doing a transaction and also bringing a level of security to our customers and our banks and the people that use MasterCards. So AI to improve engagement, provide a better experience, but that's a pretty broad range of things. What specifically kinds of, when you think about how AI can be applied, what are you looking to, especially early on? Well, let's actually take a look at our core business, which is being able to make sure that we can secure a payment, right? So at this particular point, people are used to, we're applying AI into biometrics, but not just a fingerprint or a facial recognition, but actually how you interact with your device.  And we, with our company, new data that we've just acquired are taking that capability to create a profile and make that part of your signature. So it's not just beyond a fingerprint, it's not just beyond a facial, it's actually how you're interacting so that we know it's you. So there's a lot of different potential sources of information that you can utilize, but AI is still a relatively young technology in practice. And one of the big issues for a lot of our clients is how do you get time to value? So take us through, if you would, a little bit about some of the challenges that MasterCard and anybody would face to try to get to that time to value. Well, what you're really seeing is looking for, actually a good partner to be with when you're doing artificial intelligence. Because again, at that particular point, you try to get to scale. For us, it's always about scale. How can we grow this across 220 countries? You know, we're 165 million transactions per hour. Right? So what we're looking for is a partner who also has that ability to scale. A partner who has a global presence, who's learning. So that's the first step. That's going to help you with your time to value. The other part is actually sitting back and actually using those particular partners to bring their expertise that they're learning to combine with yours. It's no longer just silos. So when we talk about artificial intelligence, how can we be learning from each other? Those open source systems that are out there, how do we learn from that community? It's that community that allows you to get there. Again, those that are trying to do it on their own, trying to do it by themselves, they're not going to get to the point where they need to be. In other words, in a six month time to value, it's going to take them years. We're trying to accelerate that and say, how can we get that out of those algorithms operating for us the way we need them to provide the experiences that people want quickly? And that's with good partners. Now 165 million transactions per hour and it's only likely to go up over the course of the next few years. That creates an operational challenge. AI is associated with a probabilistic set of behaviors as opposed to categorize. It's categorical, a little bit more difficult to test, a little bit more difficult to verify. How is the introduction of some of these AI technologies impacting the way you think about operations in MasterCard? Well, for the operations, it's actually when you take a look at there's three components, right? There's right there on the edge. So when someone's interacting, they actually do the transaction. And then we'll look at it as we have a core. So that core sits there at basically, that's where you're learning, right? And then there's actually, we call it the deep learning component of it. So for us is how can we move what we need to have in the core and what we need to have on the edge? So the question for us always is we want that algorithm to be smart. So what three to four things do we need that algorithm to be looking for within that artificial intelligence needs to know that it never goes back into the core and retrieve something? Whether that's your fingerprint, your biometrics, how you're interacting with that machine to say, yes, that's you. Yes, we want that transaction to go through. Or no, stop it before it even begins. It's that interaction on an operational basis that we're always have a dynamic tension with. But it's how we get from the edge to the core and it's understanding what we need it to do. So we're breaking apart what we have to have that intelligence to be able to create a decision for us. So that's how we're trying to manage it, as well as of course the hardware that goes with it and the tools that we need in order to make that happen. Let me get another hardware just a little bit so that historically different applications put pressure on different components within a stack. One of the observations that we've made is that the transition from spinning disk to flash allows companies like Mastercard to think about just persisting data to actually delivering data much more rapidly. How does some of the, how does these AI technologies, what kind of new pressures do they put on storage? Well, they put a tremendous pressure because that's actually, again, the next tension or dynamics that you have to play with. So what do you want to have on disk? What do you need flash to do? Again, if you look at some people, everyone's like, oh, flash will take over everything. It's like, no, flash has, there's a reason for it to exist. And understanding what that reason is and understanding, hey, I need that to be able to do this in sub seconds, nano seconds, since I've heard the term before. That's what you're asking flash to do. When you want deep learning, then I want it on disk. I want to be taking all those millions or billions of transactions that we're going to see and learn from them, all the ways that people will be trying to attack me, right? The bad guys, how am I learning from everything that I'm having? That can sit there on disk and let it continue to run. That's the deep learning. The flash is when I want to create a seamless transaction with a customer or a consumer or from a business to business. I need to have that decision now. I need to know it is you who is trying to swipe or purchase something with my mobile device or through the, you know, basically through the internet or I'm actually even swiping or inserting, tipping my card in that particular machine and a merchant. That's when we're looking at how we use flash. So you're looking at perhaps using older technologies or different classes of technologies for some of the training elements, but really moving to flash for the inferencing piece where you got to deliver the real time effort right now. And that's the experience. And that's what you're looking for. And that's when you, that's what you look, you want to be able to make sure you're making those distinctions. Because again, it's no longer one or the other. It's how they interact. And again, when you look at your partners, it's the question now is how are they interacting? Am I actually, has this been done at scale somewhere else? Can you help me understand how I need to deploy this so that I can reduce my time to value? Which is very, very important to create that seamless, frictionless transaction we want our consumers to have. So Nick, you've talked about how you want to work with companies that demonstrate that they have expertise because you can't do it on your own. Companies that are capable of providing the scale that you need to provide. It suggests, just as we talked about how AI is placing pressure on different parts of the technology stack, it's got to also be putting pressure on the traditional relationship you have with technology suppliers. What are you looking for in suppliers? You think about these new classes of applications. The part is, you're looking at, for us it's, do you have that scale that we're looking at? Have you done this before, that global scale? Again, in many cases you can have five guys in a garage that can do great things, but where's it been tested? When we say tested, it's not just, hey, we did this in a pilot, we're talking, it's got to be robust. So that's one thing that you're looking for. You're looking for also a partner who can bring for us additional information that we don't have ourselves. In many cases, when you look at that partner, they're going to bring something out.  They are your bench strength. That's what we're looking for when we look at it. What expertise do you have that we may not? What are you seeing, especially on the technology front, that we're not privy to? What are those different, the new chips that are coming out, the new ways we should be handling the storage, the new ways the applications are interacting with that, we want to know from you, because again, everyone's, there's a talent, competition for talent, and we're looking for a partner who has that talent and will bring it to us. So that we don't have to search it, yeah, especially at scale. Nick Akuru, MasterCard, thanks for being on theCUBE. Thank you for having me. So there you have a great example of what leading companies or what a leading company is doing to try to take full advantage of the possibilities of AI by utilizing infrastructure that gets the job done simpler, faster, and better. So let's imagine for a second how it might affect your life. Well, here's your opportunity. We're now gonna move into the crowd chat part of the event. And this is your chance to ask peers questions, provide your insights, tell your war stories, ultimately to interact with thought leaders about what it means to get ready for AI. Once again, I'm Peter Burris. Thanks for watching. Now let's jump into the crowd chat.


Today we're right into a village cooking channel video. Oh yeah! Always love these. Woo! These are so fun and wonderful. This one's called village marriage food. Mutton curry, fish fry, boiled egg. We'll say that. Rata puria. So in every village function mutton curry and rata puria is most important. And first food in every village function. To make, we use goat blood and boil it before we cook. One's the end. I apologize. Trigger warning to any vegans or vegetarians. Anytime you see them. I know they've done some vegetarian ones. So let us know which ones we should watch. But it looks like they're going to use goat blood. So that's where this one's going to be going. You were cooked anything with blood? I haven't. No, but what's that English dish? What's the English dish that is...  The blood? No, it's a... Dang it, it's an English dish. It's a very popular thing that's made from blood. Dang it! I'm sure you've already written it in the comments. There's blood sausage? That's... No, there's something else that's made from blood. There's blood sausage, but there's something else that's made from blood. Which is so crazy. But anyways, look forward to this. Today we have a foodie. They always make me so happy. After the video we just watched. It didn't say what this was. It usually does. It looks like it could be. Saying a dairy to rub these in your eye. Really cold water. They only said what he says. Did you see the game last night? Our boiled eggs. Apparently so. The vegetarian? Oh wait, no. Vegan Canada. Vegan 70 days. Yeah. 75% of my breakfast. That's what the guy was making. All my stuff. Fish, Bengali baby. Anything with fish. And you put rice next to it. Spicy. Mint. I need that. Fight self, I need that. Salt looks so good, right? Light is the flame ignited. Oh, they're gonna fry those bad boys. That's gonna be glorious. Congealed blood. Which would taste a lot like liver. Even stronger. That's very awesome. Like the consistency of it. Like a noodle. The flavors must be out of this world. Oh my goodness. Yeah. The flavors just must be unbelievable. Don't touch my fish. Don't touch my fish. You really just have eggs. Okay. Smacking is my least favorite sound. Come here. Is this the actual wedding curtain? I just make a wedding head. That looks superb. I love that they do that. Yes. One of my favorite things about this channel outside of their amazing quality food and quality videos. It doesn't happen very often but it did in this video and you'll see it. If you rewind and go back, you may have noticed it when it happened. I have, it's called misophonia. It's an actual condition where certain, not all, but certain mouth sounds trigger instantaneous rage. This one had that quality of mouth sound in it at one point and I almost had to, thankfully it ended very quickly. For me, that's every single video there's one. Mouth sounds in general, I'm usually okay with some are disgusting but there's a quality of a certain mouth sound that triggers my misophonia and it's instant rage and it has to stop. Like when it's happening, I'll be on the phone with Andranian and she'll be eating and when it happens, I'll let her know because it has to stop. Smacking as always. Because my upbringing, I was brought up, table manners were extremely important in my life. Yeah, to not smack the food. No, no. No, I was just saying. No elbows on the table. Yeah, no elbows on the table.  Right. Like the fork is always in the left. Like the entire thing because of my family's restaurant industry. So my stepfather's the one that just ingrained this into us. And so smacking was a cardinal sin. Yeah, yeah. So that's just where my mind's always been. So anytime I hear it, it's like, literally it's worth, like, you know, people are triggered by chalkboard. There's nothing that triggers me more than mouth sounds. Like it will ruin an entire meal. If I'm eating and there's somebody, there's members of my family, not that family, but members of my not immediate family that do it. I just can't eat while they're eating. Because it triggers me so much. But man, that food, I don't even like fish, but that fish looked incredible. Oh my goodness. It's incredible. I wanted to taste every single morsel of flavors. It looks incredible. The other thing that this reminds me of, they're always so happy. And I don't believe they're just being happy for the filming. I think they're genuinely happy. Yeah. And it bespeaks the truth of that. It does. That being wealthy has very little to do with the quantity of money you have, but the quality of life that you have. And the closer connected you are to the things of the planet and the way the nature works, you tend to be a happier person. Absolutely. So I can't get enough of them. I can watch them cook and do the thing all day long. And then riding the bikes, chasing after the thing, the little guy getting down and waving, I love it. They're so fun. Love it. Let us know what other videos are there. Any other food videos we should react to because we always love those. I'm hungry. Yeah, me too. I could eat that right now.