This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network Super Bowl 57 week is Finally here We are less than one week from the game Which means it is time to break down this game as in depth as we possibly can throughout this week four separate shows breaking down Super Bowl 57 beginning here today. We're gonna have Joe Strauss-Gian and we're gonna have Joe on because I Know my weaknesses as a better. I am not creative I do not understand exotic markets at all. So Joe does we're gonna Joe on pick his brain around all the weird fun Props you can bet for this year's game and get you set for Super Bowl 57 This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire comm My name is Jim Sannis. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire comm joined here as mentioned by Joe Ostrowski Check him out on Twitter at Joe Ostrowski and find him live this week on Beck QL daily From Glendale, Arizona broadcasting not too far from the stadium Joe Appreciate the time for today. How you doing? Fantastic, it's a little chilly here right now at the moment Jim. It's only 61 degrees and sunny I was hoping for 70 it looks like oh the right wait Friday 76. Oh, it's looking good Well, you know, I'm in Chicago. So yeah, I Reached that point in the winter. I'm like, all right. Why do I live here again? I hate this you've dealt with that in the past when you were over at Northwestern like once you get to January February like is there any end in sight? But the problem is Joe I Experienced this last year Fandall had their World Fantasy football championship in Scottsdale And I was in Syracuse at the time and because I was going from Syracuse in December to Scottsdale I didn't check the weather. I was like, hey, you know, it's the desert. It's gonna be warm It's me warmer than Syracuse. I'm just gonna pack some shorts and stuff. I forgot that it's a desert and Didn't account for how cold the nights get so One of my like coldest experiences of my life was in Scottsdale that weekend because I didn't pack accordingly So did you at least like pack appropriate things for desert nights or are you as dumb as I am I? Did not probably not as much as they should have they kind of hit me When I was checking in about how long I'm here.  I'm really here five nights. Yeah, I it was a bit alarming when We left 530 a.m. Local time to go over to the sportsbook to do the show. It's like, oh, I need my coat I'm like, but I didn't really plan for this But thankfully I brought like I brought pairs of jeans and hoodies unlike you I had to like try to buy a fandal hoodie and they ran out like they they sold out because it was so cold And it's like genius marketing obviously, but like I'm the idiot who like didn't get there in time So I just froze and I like they had like two concerts one was Nelly the other one was someone I don't know some other person after that and I left I went to Nelly I I suffered through that to watch Nelly because I'm a millennial But like, you know, I couldn't stick for the second one because I just I just I flopped it man, you know Nice where the St. Louis it takes in I Was fine. It's a good time. I definitely enjoyed that So we're gonna talk to Joe about all the weird markets You can bet for Super Bowl 57 because like I said, this is not my strength and we've got four or five days talk about this game So I wanted to talk to Joe get his thoughts on the exotic markets for this for this week We'll talk some Anthem stuff will talk halftime, but also, you know, like MVP markets and stuff like that We'll dive into that and get Joe's thoughts on those in just one second But first you're a minor to make sure you're subscribed to covering this spread wherever you get your podcasts as mentioned for separate Super Bowl 57 shows this week Jay-Jay Zachary since Maro Pamela Maldonado on Wednesday Ryan Williams Thursday all breaking down various aspects of this game getting their thoughts and how to bet this game and where to find value at Fandals sportsbook and elsewhere. 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You knew you had the full two or so minutes or whatever to take a comfy And I appreciated it I just want to let you know that I I saw the pro in you coming out right there Well, I well I saw myself in the video.  Why is this thing still around your neck? So I see that off you saw idiot I saw pro continent professional Joe Straski showing up in in the flesh right there In that moment for sure you can tell you posted a show for a sportsbook before I get it I mean the reality is that I was just sitting here thinking they that one Jim Sonness has gotten too big time For me like with with the impressive open He's got all the reads and the sponsorships. You're doing all these shows every week having great guests, right? Williams Pam Aldenado It's it's too much for me. It's a little too much for me to handle So it's getting a little hot and bothered so I had to take a seat a lot The this is why you're the more professional than me if I were thinking I would have I would have gotten a reunion between you and Ryan because You and you know that you've worked together. I should have thought about that and I didn't I dropped the ball Well, I guess I'll have my show tomorrow sounds okay I love that I love it Okay, so let's dive in here and talk about the chiefs and the Eagles Super Bowl 57 as we pull up the odds here over at Fandall Sportsbook and Joe Obviously we're gonna talk about the intricate props in a second but the way you view the overall game is going to play a role in how you view the prop market too because you can kind of make take those assumptions and Relay them into the prop market as well. So when you look at this game overall What's your view of cheese versus Eagles? Sure, and to your point you could like one specific angle and think yeah Oh, there's a prop that fits that or you can find six or seven props that fit any specific angle If you don't like the price on a particular one First off, I think I know it's not the biggest move because we're not talking about going through key numbers But it is certainly notable to me that the odds makers came out and Almost all of them in agreement and they said the chiefs are the better team Once we got our Super Bowl matchup and then the early betters in the first 15 minutes meaning the sharper betters They came in and said no you guys are wrong. The Eagles are the better team. They should be favored We're gonna bet it now since it's a Super Bowl and in many cases. They're allowing 20k per bet A pop there they kept betting it until they made the Eagles the favorite I find that fascinating that they've lined up on different sides and over the past week I've heard a number of bookmakers come out and say not say hey We're lining up with the chiefs. They came out and said we were wrong. We hung a bad number Because there is so much respect for the betting market. So I think that's fascinating another really interesting angle I don't know how you feel about this now. I'll give you a pick on the game, but do I have a This the strong opinion that I do on some of these props No, and it's one of those events where you have over a thousand options you Literally have over a thousand options that if you don't have a strong opinion, you think it's a complete coin toss You don't have to bet the side. You really don't there are a number of ways that you can attack this The health and the amount of information that we get this week will be interesting on both quarterbacks And of course the chiefs receivers with juju and hard men in Tony and what what happens there The most interesting aspect That I find in these in these games in these seasons that these two teams have put together Let's look at the biggest strength for the chiefs. We all know what it is that the guy on Thursday That's gonna be named the NFL MVP. You got Pat Mahomes and then you have an Eagles defense that has a fantastic resume But they haven't faced good quarterbacks this year Like I'm sorry some Eagles fans are sick of saying it like oh, you're not giving them enough credit No, you didn't plenty of credit But this is also part of the story that they had one of the easiest paths that we've ever seen to a Super Bowl and in a one-armed man in Purdy and Josh Johnson out there and before that it was Daniel Jones And it and really if we want to go back over the last three months It wasn't just those quarterbacks that they faced. We're talking about Webb and Dalton And Dak who led the league in an interceptions this year and Justin Fields and Daniel Jones again and Tannehill before getting injured He did face Rogers, but also Matt Ryan Heineke mills those are all the quarterbacks. They've gone against for the last three months So you have a chief strength and a really good Eagles defense, but they haven't faced quality quarterback play And then you have the biggest strength of the Eagles is Is I they're strong everywhere. I mean the roster is so deep What howie-rosman has put together just awesome to make another Super Bowl run But I think we'd all agree that the rushing offense including Hertz is a strength of that team and can the Kansas City Defense has played is faced only one top ten rushing offense according to DVOA and that was San Francisco So I look at the strengths of each of these offenses and the defense is well somewhat impressive To a lesser extent Kansas City, but they haven't been in this position So I understand why there's been a lot of play on the over early on this week Yes before a play I'm probably not going to bet it But I would pick I do pick Kansas City But as we already mentioned, I'm gonna be more focused on some of the other ways to bend the game So is part of your hesitancy on the cheese We're like is is is part of that because you respect the market like the bookmakers do Where we saw that sharp money come in and on the Eagles and that tells you that hey these people who are investing lots of money and betting right-of-hitch which is generally a sign of like, you know How tuned in you are and stuff like that. Does that hesitancy make you or does that? Information make you more hesitant to bet the cheese and go into other markets with this game a Little bit. Yeah, but more of it. I is the health. Yeah, the health of these quarterbacks We saw hurts the shoulder is still not a hundred percent from when he was injured playing Chicago And he ended up missing a couple of games He's still hobbled and then my homes the interesting thing about my homes is For him to come back off the high ankle that we all know was not a high ankle that they were playing up that a little bit but How is he at the end of that game? If they if the chiefs had another series, how would my homes have looked he was telling the chick like he Was shoved out about play. Yeah, right. Yes. He was when he was shoved out about Do you think he could have gone out there for another series? Probably but what would he have looked like he would look like that next game where he's hopping on one foot Yeah, probably I agree with it. So we really we really don't know now. I Had also add that once we get to Sunday That's gonna be a little over three weeks from the injury right and for your high ankles They usually say four to six weeks. So he should be good But how much did did the game on championship Sunday heard him? So I'd say more about the the health of the quarterbacks is Is on that and then I'll I mean I can't get past the strength of schedule. I'm sorry They took care of business. They squash teams all year But that's the other part where I'm a little hesitant Not so much the Super Bowl experience because we've learned over the years that that just hasn't mattered as much But I'd say it's more about The Eagles not facing high-level offense is all season So part of the hesitation here is around the help the quarterbacks we go to the MVP market over on Fandle and right now you've got Mahomes of plus 130 Hertz of plus 130 as well And if we are skeptical of the health of the quarterbacks that could open a value elsewhere in the market So Joe, do you see anything you like here in the MVP market or you stay away from that one? I was so annoyed last week with the MVP market because I Understand why this was the case. I just strongly disagreed with it and I'll get into that in a second most sports books had Hertz as the favorite and I understand the idea Team that's favored the favorite for the MVP has to be the starting quarterback I get all that. I thought that was more on it and I think the the market is Pretty dead on right now. So the Eagles are favored one and a half But the MVP number is the same for both starting quarterbacks both quarterbacks MVP contenders all season long the reason that I was annoyed is just When we paint a picture of how the MVP is won when you look at the Kansas City side And if they're gonna win the game, how many players can legitimately win the MVP? I think those days when we were growing up watching the NFL where you would see these outlier performances like the other Yesterday Before jumping on the flight I got lost in NFL Network when I was supposed to be packing because they were doing that the half-hour recap the highlights of every Super Bowl Yep, and I was like late 90s to early 2000s I was like these guys are never winning MVP the likes of Dexter Jackson. That's not happening at Larry Brown That's not happening anymore. It's Quarterback two of the last four years We've seen that the number one receiver meaning the volume guy and then once in a while We're gonna see an edge Russia I would think but outside of that it's very very difficult and I was a knowing that Hertz was a favorite because I Think we can tell the story where a number of Eagles win if it's not the quarterback You could go to Davante you could go to AJ Brown. It's been a long time since a running back I think to roll Davis was the last one about 25 years ago But maybe Miles Sanders if he had a crazy good game and then Hassan Reddick has been on the tear What about sweat? Harvick they were third all time in the regular season in sack So one of those past rushers on the Eagles could certainly win I mean I just rattled off, you know, seven eight guys and on the chief side I think it's three. I think it'd be from Holmes Kelsey or Chris Jones and that that's the list for me So what I did is Championship Sunday that morning. I was like look I I did have a lot of conviction that it was going to be the Eagles and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl So I bet on that Sunday morning Kelsey at 28 Davante at 50 and Chris Jones at 125 So I do think there is some value in the market and you know when Nick Foles was the Super Bowl winning quarterback He was four to one I don't know that we're ever going to see something like that and that's clearly not the case here Like then there would be value on the quarterback But I just don't see it and it's a coin toss game or plus 130 on both sides I would take a look at some of the players that I just mentioned Kelsey Davante Chris Jones You think AJ Brown's gonna have his first big performance in the playoffs. We have not seen yet He would be worth a look too because those receivers I think voters are understanding how much how much more impactful they now are in games And they're giving them an a legitimate chance at winning this award And I think the gap between Davante Smith and AJ Brown is the most important part there like it shouldn't be that big No, AJ Brown 18 to one diva Davante Smith 31 to one you look at their market shares Even if you include week one Then pretty even I know that AJ Brown is at the edge Justifiably, but like you're talking about a one game sample is AJ Brown actually Twice as likely to win as Davante Smith Probably not you could say AJ Brown is overvalued based on that but you can also say that Davante Smith is undervalued I think that there are two separate ways of doing that potentially I think that the point about like can you Realistically tell yourself a story where this guy is MVP That's that's the process you have to undergo before you can actually bet something like this I think that's an important thing to mention here for sure. I Think we have learned in recent years Jim and this is something that I would have argued against As recently as four years ago But I think what we have learned is even if you have the idea of a receiver being the MVP Oh, well if they do get two touchdowns in a hundred yards, somebody's throwing it, right? Well Brady didn't get it over Edelman, right, right? So last year Stafford was it was a great story and Cooper Cup ends up getting it over Matthew Stafford So we are learning that that these receivers even if you have a great quarterback You know I use great loosely with Stafford there But even if you have a really good a great quarterback, it doesn't mean it's automatically going to go to the quarterback It could go to that receiver. Yeah for sure I was thinking back you're talking about the running back stuff and it's been 25 years or whatever I was thinking back to the Chiefs first win Damian Williams should have won it and did not and I like Isaiah Pacheco at 50 to 1 this week But that is in my mind Williams having that monster game and not winning it that that's that's present that thought It's it's present. I've got I've got one for you too, which is why okay We'll talk about Pacheco in a few minutes, but this is why I'm when people bring up running back I'm like shut up you're wasting your money because I had James white when he scored three touchdowns including the game-winning touchdown for the Patriots You know and it still ended up going to Brady. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I don't blame you there So you mentioned Pacheco. There are a lot of other props here available We got some like weird ones like with the on-field product by Fandall has a Lot of different stuff available for don't bet the coin toss I'm just gonna say that like don't bet the coin toss save your money. Don't pay the 2% holds idiot tax on that one, but yeah, I know I know what else you got as far as like on-field stuff or props for Super 57 I've got a bunch, but as long as you got you have the specials on the screen right now so I want to jump to that and I understand why it has long odds, but I've I Talked about this one on the show last week and it is so damn tempting and I understand why the odds are long Pacheco 50 plus receiving yards and a touchdown can be rushing more received. That's still 14 to 1 there, right? There it is. I see it All right Look, he had a he was involved in the pass game last week. He's not a big Pass catching running back that's been proven throughout the year I believe the highest number of targets. He was getting was three, but last week It was six. He caught five of them. He was certainly involved. You never know week-to-week. It's gonna be rushing or receiving. I Couldn't resist Jim at 14 to 1 yeah at 14 to 1 For a game that is projected to have a number of touchdowns and I just need 50 plus receiving yards, which he hit last week right Maybe some dump-offs pressure from this Eagles front at 14 to 1. I just couldn't pass up and I understand I understand that that it could end up being a McKinnon game And it was last year. He led the playoffs all the playoffs in rushing yards but Yeah, it was Pacheco last time he was getting all the usage and I couldn't help myself. What do you think? I think that's fair because you mentioned the six targets that was double his previous high His snap rate was the highest it's been since McKinnon had a big game against the Broncos Well, that seemed to shift things a lot The only like little bit of uncertainty that I have is Clyde Edwards you layer Activated from my art today. I don't think he'll have a role. I I feel pretty okay saying that that CEH will not have a role this game but There's always a possibility like it's a 5% chance which lowers the odds hits by a little bit at least So I think that that weighs in my mind I think that his red zone Pacheco's red zone rolls better than perception got about 27% red zone share On the game the CEH out are limited like I said six targets they get him pretty creative targets and like This is part of my thought process with Pacheco in the conference championship was okay McKinnon is awful when they're in shotgun. He can't run I mean most most running backs are worse in shotgun McKinnon success rates like 24 percent Whereas Pacheco gets worse in shotgun his success rate goes like 47 percent, but it's like it's still very good So if they need more shotgun heavy with my home's banged up then that benefits Pacheco snap rate the concern I have is CEH being back my home's healthier now Which means they could go under center more if they want to so I'm on board with Pacheco very broadly I took What was it? I think I took his receiving yardage proper like 15 and a half and give us the just the receiving yardage prop I think that this is because these two actually correlate together because if he busts off a long reception that could lead to a touchdown Which case you could check both in one place. I actually think that's an interesting number for sure Don't you the total yards is getting out of control. Yeah, I was considering it, but we're at 68 and a half 70 some places Yeah, yeah, it feels like you're getting some security, but not not really when the numbers that high I think the running back usage on both sides is Fascinating yeah, because you have Pacheco Is he gonna be get the majority of the work again and then on the eagle side the gain well number is probably gone You know it feels like it like okay great. You did you perform given more opportunity? That's wonderful. Yeah, we were up by four touchdowns So is what we expect to be a tightly contested game is gain Well, even going to get those sorts of opportunities. So the running back usage on both sides very interesting I'll go through a few other few other props. I have I'm the KC side Travis Kelsey and if we get any bad news with those receivers the receiving yards prop is probably gonna jump We're at 78 and a half right now And that just happened to be the exact number he had in the AFC championship game of 78 But if we look over the last couple of years I'm not trying to be game log guy here, but look I mean who else does my home's trust right now and over the last couple of years even when Tyreek was there We're looking at most recent games 98 95 96 108 133 118 109 I mean he's going to trust Kelsey and if you want an any time touchdown It's near even money depending where you look. So I don't think that's a problem First touchdown for chiefs games. I believe it was Kelsey in nine out of 19 games If you're looking for some better odds there, so I like the Kelsey over on the yardage over 78 and a half I think tight ends are interesting the Goddard number is bumping up and I think for good reason 49 and a half he he's gone over his receiving prop and 10 of 14 games You can attack this to defense over the middle. They gave up the second most Touchdown to the air over the middle in the NFL Goddard props I like son reddick has been on a tear man, and he's gonna be opposite Wiley who has Was the most penalized offensive tackle this year Okay, and we've got cheffers roughing this game who loves to throw flags I I just think reddick I was too shocked at some of these props Jim Because if you go well reddick have more sacks and Chris Jones, I know you look at me like oh boy I don't know that's gonna be tough. I'd put them fairly close, but the numbers plus 190 on reddick to get more Reddick against Frank Clark. It's plus 125 So I I think reddick I mentioned him as possible a long shot MVP Like I could see that one getting home my E.P. Paul Aspen on BQL daily He bet reddick at the start of the playoffs 250 to 1 I really wish I had that A couple others that I'm looking at as we roll through the props you know both these offense offense is one of the Biggest narratives we always get is when Andy Reed has extra time to prepare and there's a reason we bring it up I mean on the script. They're always fantastic off the buy now facing a better defense I I understand that but you also have a an Eagles team that always gets off the fast starts number one all year long It's scoring in the first half at over 18 points per game In fact, these are these two teams are one and two in the NFL and first half points So will a team score in the first six minutes is plus money and that surprised me I know typically get slower starts with Super Bowls, but I saw in that plus 115 plus 120 range some sort of score I I could see that so I was looking at that and and again like you can correlate these all sorts of ways You can do team totals in the first quarter in the first half or game totals all sorts of stuff But those are the props that jump out to me early in the week. Yeah, the scoring prop. I believe first six minutes That's interesting because it's so hard to generate a score that quickly And that's why you always see first quarter totals being super super low and stuff like that, but I Think that's kind of accounted for a plus 118. It's a very high hold market Here yeah, that's always important to keep in mind But I don't mind that given the things you outlined as far as the way these two teams operate early in games Yeah, there's it's it's gonna be interesting like if this if it starts slow Yeah, I wonder what how close we are gonna get to that total, right? It's yeah, it's gonna be fascinating I want one of the more popular bets and I didn't give it out because it's just juice so heavily to the second half you have two teams that start quickly but One of my favorite bets I do most years, but now I see the juice is gone is which half will be higher scoring If you bet the second half you also get overtime, but I mostly see that juiced at minus 130 now it used to be even money and then it was a then it was a really good bet especially if you have a team chasing something like that, but There'll be a lot of interesting things about this also we hurts has not trailed in a game since November, you know What happens if he's down double digits to my home? Right, yeah, we haven't seen them have to push for four quarters in a long time And I think that's an important thing to remember too. So a lot interesting ways to play that one I think the the The erratic props are very interesting because if you want to bet the MVP like you said, I think that's that's probably I think the value is gone there. I think that you want to look for the sack markets Like you mentioned I think those are if you want action on It's on reddit. I think those be the preferred ways for me to go it would be the sack numbers You talk about the sack versus numbers I think those be my preferred route for doing that especially given It's it's him versus a lot of chiefs guys and the chiefs guys are facing a really really tough offensive line Which is a tough match for them. Hmm. All right, Joe. Let's open it up school yard nonsense if you are looking for halftime props you are looking for Anthem props things that I'm gonna leave on you Joe because I don't know so when you're looking at the full plethora of things You've got to your disposal disposal here. We're also using value for betting this game All right.  So Chris Stapleton Two minutes five seconds I'm very annoyed today because I kind of set the scene and I explained to you how the security Everywhere and it's hard to get close to the stadium. Yeah, so my my dream gym was oh my god I'm gonna be broadcasting all week all week from right outside the stadium.  I Yeah, I think we should be there on radio row when in actuality is because you wanted to scout out soundcheck That's that's true, right? Yeah radio rows over in Phoenix the stadiums in Glendale Well, we don't need those other people they can have me to roll all themselves It's a dome. Am I gonna be able to hear it? I don't know And it's good. I'm I'm on edge about this. I don't know if I'm going to be able to hear the rehearsal So we'll see Stapleton is set at two minutes and five seconds The number has not moved over the past week. It is juiced to the over right now Everybody who I know is a Chris Stapleton fan and that I keep asking. They're like over over over I'm like, well, you know, what is he really gonna make it about him? You know, he might think hey It's it's it's about the country. It's about the game. Like it's not about me. They're like trust me I've seen him in concerts so many times over over over. Well, the last time we saw over 205 Was a couple years ago when it went to 17. I was looking in the last 13 the the only The amount of times that we've seen it go gone over two minutes of five seconds is three out of the last 13 years So don't just think oh well, he's gonna drag it out. He's gonna do a solo whatever with this guitar I don't know that's really long But everybody I talked to that that for fans of Stapleton that watch him Like he's going over that number. So I don't know I'll check after the rehearsal Hopefully I can hear and I got to find a way to get to get right to get over there and and hear that But I don't know so what else is going on with that? Oh, there's a bet on on the hat Like my first thought without knowing much about him was oh black But but black was the the big underdog It was any other color is in big favorite I believe minus 600 and then if you do a quick Google images search, you're gonna see oh, yeah Every picture is in brown. He's wearing a brown hat all the time. So that's probably gonna be the same So you understand why that's the favorite. Okay, who's shown first? during the anthem During the anthem who's gonna be shown first? Travis Kelsey Jason Kelsey Travis Kelsey is the favorite big-mouth guy, you know, everybody knows who he is bigger star fine. That makes sense Split screen is 10 to 1 Jim. There we go. There we go Split screen Travis and Jayce Kelsey. Also, this is the Andy Reid bowl. It is pretty close And which head coach is shown first? Why would they show Siriani before they show Andy Reid that wouldn't make any sense to me Reads minus 130. I don't think that's that bad. It's a little bit of juice, but it's the Andy Reid Bowl one of the big narratives, okay? You know tied in with the anthem. I find it interesting. There's no value here, but I just it's a talking point Will a scoring drive Be less than the length of the national anthem. Yes. Yes is minus 300 Now I do think it's gonna happen whether we're talking about you don't think that we'll have a scoring drive less than two minutes Well Feel go end of first half or end of the game. I mean you can be like a yeah And like you think of a turnover like in you know, plus territory stuff like that 300's a lot though. It is. No, I'm not the know. Let's know You think no, would you bet no? I so if I'm thinking about it Well, if it's minus 300 that probably means like given the the whole knees markets It's probably like plus 150 because they hate us But 250 I give it thought I doubt I really doubt it's there based on the whole these markets, but I would consider it for 250 Gatorade, I mean we're still so far a number of days away from the game almost a full week And I feel like the value's gone on Gatorade because the favorite was plus 350 plus 400 and I'll tell you Which one's for good reason, but now you look at the Gatorade and it's like okay orange is where are we? Yeah, okay, I'll tell you why yellow green Yellow slash green slash lime is the favorite at plus 150 The reason being that uh, the Eagles just celebrated with that and they're the favorite in the game Now at the chief slash Super Bowl They they dumped and you read with orange and that's why that's the second favorite a plus 250 But like a week or so ago both of these were in the three to one four to one range So I mean These are the only color combos that people are even talking about because they've seen it Maybe we should go off the board. I was talking about this. I'm back. You'll do it Are we sure that whatever they have on the sideline is in all of those Gatorade containers because I would think that Different players have different preferences on the flavors And I would think they have like every flavor and they're just marked and it's kind of random Which one they grab? I don't know. I don't know. I just so take advantage of the variants basically I might go long shot. I I always think purple gets disrespected. I drink purple Gatorade Maybe that's why I feel that way. I just don't understand why people hate grape so much It's always the long shot. Maybe there's a little bit of value In that market now. I know you you throw it to me. You want me to talk about these exotics? It basically is what you're saying if you don't want to say it So you want joe's drowsy to come out here and say that does he have action on rihanna exposed butt cheek Does he have action on rihanna rihanna nip? It's out there jim. These are things we can bet on Okay um, I'm I'm not going to mess around we haven't it's tough because She hasn't performed on a tour in so long. Yeah, we don't know any kind of a set list. What's rihanna going to do gear? Yeah, um, and she's got her own I think she's got her own clothing line and makeup and all this stuff She could do anything.  I don't if it's actually there. No, I desperately do not There are it is there. There are rules. There's rules on cleavage And but you know in the end far too many house rules tabs have passed Whatever many years where I just like I don't I don't want it anymore. I'm just done. Okay. Okay Here's what is interesting. So at number of songs Yeah I saw this last week at 10 and a half Jim we're eight and a half now. Oh Is there a set list out there? That's what it makes me think that we're down to eight and a half I would think just how quickly they they go through these songs playing 30 seconds to a minute That that would go over but I I find that to be interesting right now the favorite for first song Is don't stop the music which I kind of understand that's minus 160 I would rather bet that as a last song at plus 200 But when I see one of her many hits being minus 160 makes me think somebody knows something Um, but I I do think there's More value on this is what you came for, you know featuring Calvin Harris, you know all about that plus 400 That's pretty good. She's got to start with a song that everybody knows. So you think diamonds umbrella Those are in the five to one six to one range. So uh, so that's that's where I'm looking there But don't stop the music I understand it's get you get you moving minus 160 God when she's got so many chart hoppers when you see one at minus money Six days out. It makes you think that somebody got work Yeah, I I have a Terrible process when it comes to because we do like a prop betting contest at our Super Bowl party each year and like I'll look at the markets if the markets don't tell me what I should pick I will go to their Spotify and just see like, okay, which songs do I recognize? So I'm bad at this Don't stop the music would not be my first My first thought there So I guess I'm surprised like I kind of in line in line where if it's minus 160 It says probably what you need to know Probably but don't you think that's a good song to end with? Kind of yeah based on the actual lyrics, you know, like yeah a little bit Yeah, yeah, I don't know and this is what you came for Isn't that a good opener? Yeah, I think so. I think that's great Plus 400 I think it's even better now if it's plus 400. It sounds fantastic to me. You know, I think that's perfect Yeah What else is what else is uh novelty some of the stuff I haven't seen much commercial stuff posted yet. Yeah Do they have a betting lineup for if Gronk will make the kick of destiny yet? Um, they might have Vanduul, but I don't know if they can't legally Yeah He's so can you explain that I I've seen the ads I've heard the ads heard on the show Yeah, what exactly is going to happen with Gronk? He's going to kick a 25-yard field goal during the game live Like they're going to cut to him like in the commercial break And he's going to kick a 25-yard field goal if he makes it they give out 10 million In total bets or total like free bets and like that to everyone who plays a five-dollar wager on the game so like Basically the betting market would be Will Gronk make a 25-yard field goal in like in the commercial I think he probably will I think yes, he's practiced. Do you think he's practiced? I've seen the commercial you think so. It's in commercials of him practicing. Come on. Come on. Of course. He's practiced And like but it's also wrong So he comes off as being unserious, but I think he cares secretly secretly So I think he actually I think he's actually been practicing I respect him as an athlete He's had some time off to get healthier. I if I'm if I'm setting markets here, joe. I'm putting yes at 25 yards I'll do minus 175 Whoa Yeah, I'm gonna be Give me you watching these extra points this year Maybe one minus 135 is a little bit I'm just you know, I think that Does he get a tee? I'd have to send me a tee or some or some holders and like that. Um, so If you want plus 175 that's 36% for him to miss actually that's probably really good odds for you This is why I'm not a bookmaker joe They need to show they need to show the video or the picture of andy reed from the punt pass and kick competition When he's 13 and you know, he's like six feet taller than everyone else Yeah, why isn't any like if he weren't in this I I'd recruit him to kick it like that that'd be great Oh, you know, he would take a tumble, right? You know, he'd make it though He'd fall but he'd still make it. He's andy reed man. He'd make it. I I would make andy reed minus 350, you know, again, this is why I'm not a bookmaker He's minus 350 Gronk is minus 175 me for yes 65 to one Yes to make it 65 to one Um, and I would bet against myself. I would happily happily bet against myself for that. I can't do it. So I can't get lift Yeah, we'll be your number. Well, if you're bookmaking for joe astraski making a 25-yard field goal What's your number? Oh, here's here's the other thing The reality is those guys are on tv all the time. Yeah, we would be shaking We'd be so nervous. Yeah Immediately like I 268 million people watching me try to kick a field goal I can't do it. Like we just tried to do one for like the fan dual social team at one of like the events in denver and I Biffed it. Like that was for like three people. So no, um, I'm I'm toast. No, thanks Now we've done that we set our own markets for field goals any other things you're seeing value on for this game, joe I think that covers it now that you let everyone know you you would poop yourself It's not a hypothetical. It's it's it's a definitive. Um, I I can say for sure this has happened So we'll have we'll work. Well, I'll tell john shear and a fandal sportsbook to get markets up on that next year Super Bowl 58 We'll have a brownout market available on fandal sports That is a joe astraski checking out on twitter at joe astraski and his very serious show Betql daily every weekday 9 to noon eastern over in glendale, uh from The betmgm sportsbook joe. I appreciate you swinging by for today. Good luck to you with your bets for super bowl 57 and uh, enjoy arizona Thanks for having me jim. Uh, best of luck to everyone out there Because uh, I'm not gonna have football for a while. So you're breaking down. What are the other leagues? That's forgot That's no, no, no the other football. We got three football. I'm not watching those joe I'm not doing okay. Good. Remember when we were doing that the pandemic like that was the whole thing I did play by play for madness joe. I remember vividly. It was awful Did you really? Yeah It was bad. It was real bad for fandal It was bad man. Those are dark times not just dark He's the the the pandemic it was dark for other reasons too and i'm not gonna revisit that so We're staying away. We're talking to ask our instead Believe me next week. We'll be in it fully. Yeah. Yeah Try try doing a nightly Four hours solo show from your basement with no sports on a sports radio station. That's fun We're past that time joe. You survived. They survived. You're at super bowl this week. You're thriving. You're thriving You've got the proper attire. You're not pooping yourself on live tv. You're great.  Uh, check out joe on twitter at joe astraski. I am on twitter at jim sanis j i m s a n n e s back again tomorrow JJ Zacharyson breaking down player props for this game getting his read on those We'll talk to you all that this has been covering the spread right here on the fan dual podcast network


Hello, my beautiful internet friends. I have a very exciting video for you guys today. I'm sitting down with my friend Alexis from Stump Kitchen She was out here three months ago We shot the IKEA video which I released a couple days ago, which was the most fun I've ever had making a video and editing it so thank you to everyone who watched that We're gonna be comparing the difference between a hand and a leg amputee because she was born without a hand and my Leg got chopped off. Which one's easier? Which one's harder? Before we dive in though I come to a confused youtuber today. You see a few weeks ago. I introduced you guys to my Nicholas Cage pillow Thanks, Megan. It's a very large shoulder. The internet is split on this issue. Do do we love him? Do we hate him? I don't know what to think So please as we head to an action-packed episode filmed right here on this couch Type down below is Nicholas Cage a national treasure? Please let me know if you get that joke or do we need to burn his creepy little eyes He is looking pretty creepy here. Let me know down below and with that out of the way. Let's dive in So what do you think are some of the main differences between arm amps and foot amps? I've wondered that a lot because I watch you on YouTube I watch other like arm amputees and I'm like that looks challenging, which would I almost wonder like what would I rather like? Don't don't wish anything upon yourself. Yeah, that's a really good question I don't think I've actually thought about what it would be like to be missing a leg or a portion of a leg Yeah, yeah, I don't know I'm like well, I can think of a lot of things that would be really challenging What would have been the most challenging things to adjust to probably early on because it's been a long time Well, the thing is like that's another whole aspect to it because like for me I haven't had to adjust to anything. It's just been like it's just been like that makes perfect sense You've had the adjustment. However, if I lost a leg that would be a huge learning curve Yes, and if you were born with a hand that's totally different So there's a lot at play there when I'm adjusting to like a new task That's a new sport or a new kitchen cooking technique or something that I want to try that I haven't already Mastered in my repertoire. Yeah That's kind of where I need to figure out adaptations and get creative around how to make it work for me Yeah, whereas I would imagine Stuff you're doing is all of the above is new Right, like you don't really have like this toolbox of stuff to draw from it's like starting from scratch Yeah, you know interesting and probably hard way. Yeah, you know exactly when I Let me know if this is true or not for you But for me if I ever find something that I can't do. Yeah because of my hand. Yeah, the world And oh it is the most Frustrating they're like there isn't a way around it. There isn't a way Yeah, kind of modification. Yeah, or or the modification takes so much time and energy or money or whatever It's like the most angering thing and I think that's because because this was a congenital Appetition yeah, and I was able to adapt slowly to things in my own way, and that's all I knew yeah When I find something I can't do it's like wait hang on and then I jump into that narrative of like But I have to prove that I can and I'm like, but wait, why do I have to prove that I can? I actually do have one hand and that's okay, but no I can do other like oh, it's so It doesn't happen often, but when it does I'm just like You know I think I have not yet come to that place I think I just am not willing to admit anything that I can't do yet I don't think I found it yet I don't I'm still in the process of like prosthetics and all of that where I'm like I don't really know what life is really going to look like and so oh There is one thing though. Oh makes martial arts fighting like actually fighting fighting That is one thing I cannot straight up cannot do because you can't kick people in the face with carbon fiber Oh Yeah Details like you could do it, but you would like I would be way too effective Yeah, yeah, I did that for two years and I absolutely loved it And then my body got in the way and everything didn't work right anymore And so I had to stop but it's like that's my heart. I love it And I love it so much and there's no way to modify that so I do jiu-jitsu and I'm looking forward to hopefully getting back To that which is like a part of it and that's awesome, but I know that's like one thing I don't like saying can't a lot of things, but that's one thing I can say I can't Do that Sorry your nose is now broken forever. Sorry about both your jaw bones And yeah, you're right because you are still quite early in your journey because it's a lot of them exciting possibilities. It is that They're out there somewhere. I just want to get there. Yeah, what are what do you think would be some of the most challenging things without a leg? What do I think? What do you think would be some of the most? This is a great question Yeah, I mean the obvious things are like stairs. Yeah Running Presently yes Yeah, I mean not always but like once once a good prosthetic is in place then then perhaps not I don't I think driving is fine Hey, because I've seen you driving. Yes Whatever. Yeah, driving is not a thing you need two legs for or two arms for that matter. Yeah cartwheels So true. I've not attempted that just yet Yeah, I think balancing would be really tricky actually. Yeah, I've seen you bounce your very good at it low feet What do you get? Yes for like daily life? Maybe swimming went swimming for the first time like last week. Oh, I think it's a lot easier than I thought It was a lot easier than I thought it would be oh nice Yeah, it was I thought it would be like everyone jokes about like. Oh, do you just swim in a circle? Okay But no you don't I mean I don't Just like just like a 10% year.  You're really good at sitting with your leg up on the table So we're sitting and she sits and she's just like She was like whips her leg up there like and it's just so small it doesn't take a much room You can't really help her and me for having my feet on the table. There's not a smelly foot there So that's great. Yeah, tell me what you think would be the most challenging things to do without an arm Well, I've seen you do it now, but I pretend typing 100% typing. That's what I think I'm like, well, I struggle to like edit quickly and get this done and type and respond to messages and emails And yeah, that's like the first thing that comes to mind. Okay, like I was before you came down. I was like Struggling to get this open and I was like, wait, I mean, I guess I would probably do that Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Got it. That makes sense Using your thighs like just like oh, yeah, it's really hard Or just like really yeah, I like that I would actually think that kitchen things would be challenging because you often are like I don't think multi-dexterous is a word But like you But like a lot of people will be like holding a pan and like, you know, yes Shuffling things around with it and stuff like that, which I think is why your channel is especially cool What are the things that frustrate you? Let me tell you Doing up your winter jacket when it's real cool. Oh my god. Oh, yeah, that is like probably my least To do when you're kind of you have a big winter coat and it's cold out and your hand Your limbs are already kind of chilly and you're trying to do it up and and I have my techniques But sometimes just gets really annoying. I'd be really frustrated. Yeah winter coats. Yep That makes sense top of the list. Absolutely Flossing is kind of annoying like I have a handheld plaucer, which is great. Yes But if I just have access to regular floss, no fun Sometimes I think the only other thing that is annoying. Yeah, I just kind of gets on my nerves is when I'm trying to Open or close a door when I have a coffee and something else Oh, yeah, because I'll hold the other thing like I'll hold the thing I'll hold the coffee like this and then I have the other thing and I'm just like I Skills right there. So I use my chin a lot like this next the neck portion of my body Holds a lot of things armpits hold a lot of things. Yeah So just those little things when you're like coming in and out of doors I think that's the only thing that I actually have to think about like how I think about yes Getting up and doing a thing. I think about okay I'm gonna leave if I have this and this our things are pretty second nature It's just a lot more holding things closer to your body. Yeah, I don't do things out here a lot I do things real close. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's very like, you know, up close and personal and earthy and dirty and dirty Yeah Kitchen.com tell me your thoughts about the foot puns.  That's good nature It's like because humor is so freaking important to like deal with things My husband has been mercilessly making fun of me since before I had my amputation All the foot puns and some people are like, oh, yeah offended for me and I'm like cracking up So no any Any possibility to get your foot in the door one foot in front of the other or whatever I mean, there's so many it never ends getting a leg up on the guy exactly. Yes Yeah, so do you use them yourself in your every day to kind of like break tension or add humor? Oh footage? In one of the videos that I had that went out to a lot of people I said like footage like twice, and I swear like two thousand of the comments are just like emboldened I'm like well done guys I don't use them intentionally I say so many things so many foot puns just and people laugh because they Yeah, they get it. I don't before.  Yeah, actually are you okay? No, I'm not I'm gonna wash my hand Things that I don't notice that they're just common language, but like I love the hand puns Yes, I love when people ask if I need a hand.  I'm fine. You don't need to make this weird. It's all good Do you ever play it up a little bit and be like super offended for like yeah For people that I kind of know I don't know strangers, but yeah that I kind of know I yeah I definitely will and then they're just like no I have this joke with friends I like a running number of ways that I've lost my hand in order to kind of like break the tension Yeah, of course Yes, in order to like break the tension for all the questions that I get all the time like what happened to you Why are you like that? Why do you look like that? What happened to your hand? So I have woody comebacks like I was playing by the train tracks and I heard the train whistle And I just didn't run fast. Oh god, you know or of course shark attack, you know Yeah, it's a nice shark just one word to shark or I ate it in the womb. I was Just so many different things Okay, I'll share with you my please. I want to know how did you lose your leg Joe at a conference They're like everybody lost a leg and whenever they get asked because they live down and I think it was like Alabama Where they like a lot of alligators and she'll just be like Gator gutter. I'm like, oh my god That's so great.  No, it's just we've never been able to pull it off without cracking up though Shark week. Yes one of my friends Cedric.  Oh god It's a great name. Yeah, especially in public. He'll like yell. He'll be like, how's my favorite cripple? Because he's like really edgy with his human and it just makes me feel wonderful. I'm like, I'm great It's just fun. It's just it's wonderful when people who you know love you and you've given that and you've given that permission To give you consent because that's very important. Otherwise. It's just hurtful. Yeah, absolutely I really love just connecting with and talking with anyone Difference like no matter how it happened or didn't happen. Wait, no, it would have had to have a case I like talking with people like me It's just great to connect and to talk about similarities and differences and different strategies for stuff And just like the inside jokes are very good You have oh the flashing lights that record life, right? Yeah I'm a youtuber. Well That was a real effort on my part. Gold star for effort, he for effort Well, this is disintegrating, but I need to let you know there is a second half of this video on a lovely channel You can find it in the link Take two please please please please please follow the link in the description and check out her beautiful lovely channel Which is kitchen is so cool. Thanks for watching guys. I love you. I'm thinking of you and we'll see you in the next video


Hi everyone, my name's Damian Mitch from the Australian Dental Association and Board Member of Aussie. I'm here today with Sarah and Andrew. You're watching 6DA. Hello and welcome to another episode of Six Degrees of Association, the only online TV show that's dedicated to the pursuit of association success. My name is Sarah Gonzalez and I'm from Redback Conferencing and as usual I'm joined by my co-host Andrew McCullum from Association of Corporate Council Australia. Welcome. Thank you Sarah. Good to be here. Well I shouldn't say welcome, otherwise it's like you're a guest, right? And you're my co-host. Yeah, very close-out. But it's good to be here all the same. Excellent. Once again we're delighted to welcome another special guest to this episode. Today we're joined by Damian Mitch, Australian Dental Association's CEO. Good day guys. How are you? Good to be here. Good. Thanks for joining me. Good to be here. Thank you and also, director at Aussie, we can't leave that bit out. No, don't forget, Aussie. No. It's great to have you here, but before we get into the difficult questions, we're going to kick start this episode with, da-da-da, thumbs up, thumbs down. So let's hand it over to you, Andrew, because I think you've got a ripper for us today. Thanks Sarah. Well, a thumbs up, a very worthy thumbs up, I think, to Aged in Community Services Australia. Recently took the very bold step of becoming a truly national association representing the full purpose, we like that term, aged in community services industry. Look, this would not have been a simple process, bringing 70 staff together, six different officers under one national banner. But no doubt the board took the decision that this will is a positive step and it will result in the organisation having a stronger voice on the national issues, surrounding aged care and community care, very important issues they are, and obviously delivering more for their members around Australia. So we're very well deserved thumbs up for me. And your thumbs down? Thumbs down, thank you. You know, I think our industry has a membership problem. And let me explain that a bit more. Several weeks ago, I attended a day-long seminar put on by Aussie on membership marketing strategies, and what struck me about this was the people in the room, and this isn't a criticism of any of them, but you know, they're all doing a bit of membership, but they're all doing a lot of other stuff as well. They're doing communications, they're doing operations, they're doing advocacy and so forth.  I think we can all agree on that. I don't know why association does, but we're not investing in the professionalism of a membership function. You know, we'll employ advocacy people, we'll employ communication teams, we'll employ standards officers, and we will employ somebody who's going to sit there on the phone and answer questions and reset people's passwords, but we're not investing enough in the membership function, but in the professional membership function, I think, in association. So, a little bit disappointing, a little bit surprising to me. Damien, do you think in your experience that we don't really take it as serious as what we should be? Look, as someone who headed a corporate services department that had membership marketing in it and had a new CEO come along and say, look, this needs to be a division in itself. You know, my ego took a dent, but it didn't take me long to realise that you need professionals in those spots, and we undervalue professionals who are in the marketing space significantly. Some of the greatest stuff we did was once we got professionals involved in that organisation. So, I completely agree with you. I just think we undervalue professional expertise in it. Thanks, Damien. You can come back again one day. Yeah, and if you talk about marketers like that, you can come here even more. Wonderful. So, time for mine. What have you got to say? Okay, time for mine. Thumbs up. So, Australian Retailers Association. So, I always see Russell Zimmerman, the executive director in the media. He's at the forefront. I always, he's so passionate about what he does, and I love seeing that from a director. Back in February, I'm sure we all remember the decision made by Fair Work Commission to reduce the penalty rates. And, of course, it was all very negative. Everyone has something to say with it. But what I really liked about it was he actually stood up for something that he had been fighting for, along with many other associations for the past two years. And he also made the situation seem not so dire. So, the way he spoke about it, it was about the facts. They surveyed 600 people. They communicated the facts in terms of the percentage drop that people would be getting who work in the space. And he also really outlined the fact that there'd be more opportunity for younger workers, and also that it will enhance the customer experience when we actually go into retails and stuff like that as well. So, the decision, I'm not saying it was a thumbs up or thumbs down, but I'm just saying the way that he handled it as the director was great in front of the media. I know he's no stranger to the media at all, but I thought it was really impressive, and it sort of made me sit back and say, oh, wait a minute, maybe there's another reason behind this, as opposed to getting all wingy and negative about something. You make a great point. I mean, regardless of where you sit on the issue, the ability to lay out a clear, unbiased argument based on facts is something we don't hear enough of anymore. And I go to their website afterwards, and there's the press release right there, front and centre, so I think they're really proactive in the way that they handled it. I wonder if he wants job as Prime Minister. Yeah, well, let's not go into politics because we know where that's going to go. Actually, nice segue, thumbs down. Why is everyone so negative on the issue of politics? Anna Bly, so the former Queensland Premier who has a new role heading up the Australian Bankers Association so on April 3rd, she became CEO in what was described as a pivotal time for the industry. So it was meant with some controversy. Once again, the media stood up. They started talking about the whole situation where we have politicians go to lobbyists and how bad that is for democracy. Donald Trump came into it because apparently his made reforms in the US and we should be doing the same. And I just thought it was just so negative and all this hype. But forget the fact that she's a professional. Forget the fact that she is completely entitled to that role and she's worked her butt off, really, for the past how many years within the sector. And also the fact that she's ABA's first female CEO. No one spoke about that at all. She has more than 30 years within the public service as well. So I think a simple congratulations sometimes suffices in these areas. But I think sometimes we're just so quick to point out the negatives. And I'd like to hear other people's opinion on this whole politician-to-association argument, whether or they've experienced it, whether they've done it, or what your thoughts are either way. It's interesting. I mean, she's been out of the Queensland Premier's seat for at least, well, I know at least, certainly more than one term. So it's not like she moved from under the other. But if you looked at her resume on paper, taking the names in that way, I mean, what an incredible resume that lady brings to that role. So full credit to her and congratulations on the role. And look, at the end of the day, it's about your skills. There are some politicians who, quite frankly, should never be given the job of CEO of an association. There are others who, quite frankly, have the skills and capabilities. And it's up to the board to sit down and assess those people without the stars in their eyes and make an objective decision on can the person do the job well. Exactly. Thanks for that. So now we're going to hand over to you the big picture, our feature story. It's your turn, Damien. Let's turn our attention to you because we've had enough on us for the first few minutes. So first of all, you're still relatively new to your role at ADA. Very new. What initially attracted you to the role? Look, I said to the recruiter at the time that he asked me the same question. And basically I said to him, look, I like to go where I feel like and make a difference. And I've turned down roles in the past where I've looked at them and said, you know what, I just don't think we're a good match and I don't think I can make enough of a difference here. When it came to Dental, it's a great organisation, a great brand. It's done fantastic things over many years. But it's got some challenges that when I looked at what I was capable of and what it needs, I thought I could make a difference. Ultimately the board agreed, but it would appear. Mmm, nice one. And so Sarah mentioned at the start that you're also a director of LSAE who our audience will be well familiar with. I guess thinking in terms of corporate governance perspective, you've got a lot of experience public and private sector. What are some of the observations you see in terms of differences between sort of full purpose governance and also in the private sector? Look, I think there's a raft of things to be honest. Probably the biggest thing that hits me is the fact that in the corporate sector we're really pointy about where the revenues are coming from, where the costs are, we're very pointy about understanding customer value and how do we direct customer value to the places where people pay for it. And the people who sit on boards come to the table with a real focus on how do we govern that process so that we get our experts, our staff to make good decisions, how do we get them heading in the right direction. And there's a real imperative that hits the bottom line. Once we jump over to the association sector, what I tend to find is that because we get tested on our value proposition once a year in the main, the membership fees go out and people either pay it or they don't. Getting that single measurement of our performance means that it's very easy to drift a lot during the year and not be as focused during the course of the year. Associations are horrendous at adding more things to the bucket and not taking things out. What do we stop doing? Question doesn't get asked all that often. And as a result, we can find ourselves drifting away from those really pointy value pieces and not necessarily focusing on where are the points in the association that people are willing to pay the money because ultimately that's where the value for them is. Refreshing. So I guess given that you're still quite new to the ADA as a couple of months into the role, what are you asking for from your board? What are you saying to your board? What do I need as the CEO from you to be successful? Look, the ADA is no different to any other association. We have a board of dentists and without being critical of our board there's quite frankly there are some brilliant people on that board. We haven't had a culture of governance in the way that you might expect to see it in the corporate sector and as a result, there's some things in there that lack clarity. So you mentioned culture of governance. What does that mean to you in a not-for-profit setting that you can throw that in there as well? The best way for me to describe it, I guess, and I've had this conversation with people over the years, governance is about establishing rules and processes so others can make decisions. So where do we want to go? Where's our strategic direction? What are the frameworks in which you'll make decisions to progress the organisation in that way? What often happens is that governance and associations think they're there to make decisions. We need to consider whether we should buy term deposit number A or term deposit number B. One of them's with NAB, one of them's with Westpac. Well, who cares? It's irrelevant. We have four banks in this country. They're all AAA rated and if the rules are pick a AAA rated bank, one of the four pillars, then my finance person can make a much more informed decision than my board in many cases. What happens, of course, is that people fall into that trap of we're required to make these decisions and therefore we have to, instead of developing the frameworks that allow our staff and our people to make great decisions. That leads you down a path. You just end up running around in circles and you end up with bureaucracy. Seems like you've got obviously a wealth of knowledge yourself from being on a board, but also you probably sit there and maybe this person should be, maybe this person shouldn't be. The people out there who are looking to move into that, so looking for applying for a board position, what advice would you give them and how should we start working forwards? What should we be planning for if that's our end goal? My advice to anyone looking to join a board is to ask a set of questions around is there an induction process? Is there any ongoing training for directors so that I can understand how to be a good director versus just being a director? And I don't know about you guys, but when I go into a job, I would grate at that job. I don't want to just turn up and fall asleep. So what do I need to know to be great at that job and all too often directors just fall into these things and collectively flip and flop around? That's not great for the organisation. It's not great for them. So get inducted, get trained, understand the job of governance and the job of a director and then you can start to build your directorship career. If you just fall into it flip and flop around then quite frankly your career will go nowhere like it wouldn't in any other setting. So ADA, we've spoken about your other roles, APA a few others, you've sort of been around the block a bit. So there has to be something that gets you out of bed every day with a smile on your face. Why do you stay in the sector? Why do you love it? It's a great sector. Look, this is one sector where you can literally walk in the door any morning and not know what you're going to be faced with in that day. And it's an email from a member, it's an email from a board member, a staff member, something blows up in the media, a competitor sends out an email, they've just launched something and you're literally dealing with this moving dashboard of things every single day. Added to the fact that you can actually make a difference. I've sat on the board of a large hospital and I look at when I joined the board versus when I left the board, not a whole lot had changed. I didn't really make that much of a difference. Yes, we adjusted some things and I thought we did some good things. We managed, while I was there, the management team who were brilliant by the way managed to get the time for a piece of bread to get from the front door to the plate to under one day. That was a huge achievement, believe it or not. So one of my great achievements in governance was that we managed to get bread to the table on the same day. You compare that to an association where the change you can affect can be remarkable. Changes of scope of practice, changes in competency-based frameworks for people to be able to be better clinicians, in my case, or better in the industry, changes to government legislation that allow better services to Australians. This is stuff you can really affect in associations. There is no other job like this. Politicians don't have the same type of job. People working in operations don't have the same sort of job. So it's just an exciting job if you ask me. Have you changed dentists since you started working at AD? Well, I've had to because I moved in the state, but my dentist in Melbourne was great as well. Thank you so much for that. We'd like you to stay and join us for the next segment because it's going to change your life. You think working for an association makes you feel like you've got impact. Wait till you hear this. This is where we actually proved the point, that there is an association for everything. He goes out and looks for the most obscure association he can find, and we spotlight them and some of the amazing work they're doing over to you. Thank you, Sarah. And some of our viewers may turn their nose up at this next association. But a question for you, a question for both of you, actually. What will you be celebrating in a couple of weeks on April 23rd? Ooh. I can't tell you that information. I'm curious though. What am I going to be celebrating? What you should be celebrating is International Nose Picking Day. What? It's a genuine date in some people's calendars. And in fairness, several years ago in my youthful university days I lived with a flatmate and every day was International Nose Picking Day. Yeah. But I digress and bring it back to... Let's bring it back to standard here. And why do we have an International Nose Picking Day? Because due to the International Nose Picking Association. I'm not making that up. It's very difficult to find information on this organisation. They do have a very rudimentary website featuring images of celebrities picking their nose. A range of articles and topics relating to nasal health. Very important topic. Nose Picking quotations. And my favourite article was Nose Picking Habit, Obsession or Harvest. That's the title of the article. The one certainty, however, of the International Nose Picking Association is that they do lay claim to establishing International Nose Picking Day and why they chose April 23rd. I'm not sure. But with that day just a couple of weeks away what better way to salute their all nosing work by saluting them on this segment. Yay. Maybe you can create a spin-off and do like the Association of Teeth Grinding or something. Yeah, looks like it. Please don't do that. Thank you for that. It was very enlightening. I can't think of a nice pun right now so I'll just go straight into the two minute warning. So this is where we're actually accountable for the good and the bad and the amazing feedback on our previous shows. We're going to share with you the best and the worst. So first of all a question from Andrew that did come through quite timely because from a viewer, are all your obscure associations real? Or are you making them up? Who knows? Get it? I don't know what you're talking about, sir. My goodness, yes, absolutely. I assure you they're all 100% genuine. As if I could make that stuff up. I'm just not that creative. No, no, they are all genuine. I assure you a rigorous online search. I'm still waiting for my travel budget to come in to actually physically go out and see them for my own eyes. But no, I assure you they're all true and all equally worthy of featuring on this segment. Excellent. Well, that brings us to the end. It's a wrap. Thank you. Both of you, lovely working with you as always and great to hear more about ADA and your role there. Thank you for the invitation. Best of luck. Thanks Damien. Fantastic and we could be talking a lot longer, I'm sure. Great. Thank you everyone. As always, if you have any feedback any ideas or anything else that you want to talk to us about, feel free to hashtag 6DA or just contact us directly. Go to 6degreesofassociation.com Thank you once again to these both amazing men beside me. And then also remember that too much conversation kills a chat. So keep it short. Thanks for now. Bye.