This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network What a fun day to be a sports fan today Everything blowing up all because of one a reddit post will have this almost the favorite to be the first overall pick things have Stabilized a bit since then but what better time to break down the NFL draft and get you ready with some bets that Dr Ed Fang likes based on the odds over at Fandall sportsbook right now This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire calm My name is Jim Saunders. I'm a senior writer and analyst for a number fire joined here as mentioned by Dr Ed thing you can find his work at the power ink comm and check out Ed on Twitter at the power I can add have you fired up your ready accounts to stay up to date on all the latest NFL draft rumors It's really comedy central here this morning on the NFL draft I think it's actually kind of funny that people like me will read something that Daniel Jeremiah writes on NFL comm and that will strongly influence bets and the market and he certainly influences the market I think there's some comedy in that. I think it works, which is why I do it, but there's some real comedy Moving markets and you can you can see the markets and bounce back So it's not like, you know, and and I don't think it wasn't a situation in which this information Gave you a better price. It's not like you could have bet Bryce young minus 300 because of this But it's still pretty comical that this little reddit thread Move some markets today. It's that's a pretty high comedy. Yeah in case you missed it There was a post on reddit this morning saying that will levis was telling family and friends He was going to go first overall Carolina was telling him that he would go first overall and as a result Levis shortened to I think I saw it as short as five to one at Fandle But like you mentioned young never really lengthen much. He was minus 1200 Briefly got down to minus 900 I think is the shortest he got to at Fandle and then are the longest he got to he's back out to 14 Minus 1400 and levis is back out to 8 to 1 so it bounced all over the place We're gonna talk about that market talk about whether we're still confident young goes first What to read of levis's stock and also talk about takeaways from Jeremiah You mentioned Peter Schreger and guys who have dumped out some news tidbits here over the past couple of days But first a reminder to make sure you're subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcast tomorrow talking some golf Of Brandon Godula, but also talking NBA playoffs that'll be here Kentucky derby stuff coming up next week We'll talk NFL win totals as well all right here in the same beat So go search for covering the spread wherever you get your podcast hit subscribe and if you like what you hear Leave us a five-star rating as well The NBA playoffs are here and you can get it in the action right from first tip with Fandle right now All customers can get a no sweat same game parley every weekend when you bet the NBA playoffs That's right. 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I know I think DraftKings has him at minus 700 or so So it's a bit better number there, but what's your read on this market given all the weird levus stuff from this morning? I Don't think there's really anything in that reddit post if you look at it closely Jim It actually doesn't say anything about it being the number one first overall pick so maybe the You know the poster is referring to the 39th pick that Carolina has in the second round and it would definitely take We'll love us with that pick He unfortunately probably doesn't get there So yeah, no, I don't put too much stock in it. I think to any stock into it Yeah, other thing too is going back to that reddit post and they had said later that Carolina had told Bryce young they would not be drafting him and so he canceled all his visits which Doesn't make sense doesn't pass the sniff test. So I Don't quite understand that part of it And I think the other thing too here is if we were so confident that Levis would go number one overall I think you would have seen young shorten for the second overall pick because Houston's been tied to him this entire time And if he've dropped to number two They would take him but young is nine to one to go second overall and again Levis is eight to one So it's kind of those are somewhat correlated markets, but I think the fact that we didn't see more movement there tells me I Mean that you can see stuff leak on reddit at times. I just don't think this is one of those scenarios For sure, and you have Levis at eight to one to be the number one. He's the favorite at number two I think he's the favorite at number four. I added up the implied probabilities yesterday, and I got some absurdly large number This is actually why it's fun and profitable bet the NFL draft Yeah, markets are actually a tightly correlated, but The books don't always do the best job You know working out those correlations one mark one market moves Making sure you move the other market. So yeah, it makes it fun. It definitely does so with Levis It's not just this right of post We also there was a lot of talk this weekend that the Colts prefer Levis and I think that's a big part of why You see the odds shortening for the number two overall pick because the Texans have that pick and there's been Buzz honestly since the senior bowl that they don't want a quarterback So It's a bit odd to see Levis there as you mentioned He is the favorite to go forth overall as well plus 130 in general Ed We've seen a lot of buzz around Levis. Let's ignore the reddit post I think we can push that off to the side fully, but look at the more broad sentiment Do you buy into the Levis steam or do you think this is the Colts throwing a smoke screen? It's no one trades up to get CJ Stroud in front of them or something like that I have no idea what I know is that a lot of people agree that No one knows what's gonna happen with the second overall pick It's quite possible that Houston doesn't know what they're gonna do with that second overall pick And I think that's that's we don't know what's gonna happen there We don't know what's gonna happen at three whether anyone's gonna trade up to try to get a quarterback And so there's a and you know, and I think from what I've heard, you know, Indy probably wants to let us It for right. So that's probably I mean, that's I think that's been the case for a while so Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of question marks there and then the you know, the The conversation kind of changes once you get the five because there's different needs for Seattle and then Detroit at six and then you can start playing the Jalen Carter game there, but I'm sorry, I forget exactly what you asked me Just talking about the movement we seen towards him ignoring the reddit post. Yeah I'm really not sure what to make of this. Oh, that's the other thing, you know, love this has been the favorite I mean, I think he was like minus 130 to be the second pick, right? There's not a single one of the sharp mocks that I Look at that had him as the number two pick Yeah It's pretty late in the game Like obviously not all of them are like the most up-to-date because I'm still tracking what you know People said a little bit earlier and and you know the way I do this is it's not like I just you know, I just take it You know, I kind of know who behind every draft Yeah, I know who is behind every mock draft what their information is and I try to go from there So they're they're not all weighted equally in my mind when I when I make that's but it Zero zero of those had will have to number two So, you know, I think the game is the kind of think through that and what are the possibilities and How can you potentially? Make some money bets because we buy into Daniel Jeremiah over random reddit user whose account was created six days ago I think that makes a lot of sense now You mentioned that a lot of the sharp mocks haven't had Levus going second overall But there was a lot of news that came out Monday morning It was like it was a scheduled post everything goes up right at 8 o'clock in the morning Where you've got Dana Jeremiah's final top 150 Peter Schreger who tends to be pretty reliable on this stuff Releasing his top five takeaways as well when you parse through all the data from Monday ad What were your biggest takeaways from everything that you saw? Right. I mean for sure the uncertainty at the number to pick I think it very well could be Will Anderson very good. Well could be Tyree Wilson. I I actually have Tyree Wilson a plus 650 from a long time ago and I It's either him or will Anderson to be the first even sorry Tyree Wilson plus 650 to be the first defensive player taken You can get will Anderson plus 100 actually I just bet it plus 100 to be the first defensive player taken I have decided to lock in a profit there Because we really don't again We don't know what's gonna happen with number two and then the only I really stuck out about Schreger was that he said Jaylen Carter will not drop beyond six and When you look at the sharp mocks, it is literally the NFL calm guys versus everyone else all the NFL calm guys have Jaylen Carter at five to Seattle or six to Detroit You need some pretty juicy numbers for Carter to go to five at five and six, you know I think I wrote down plus 500 this morning. I don't think that's still available for the number five pick number six There might be a plus 400 still available He may slip, but I think that's probably good enough information for me to at least put a little bit down on Jaylen Carter at five and six Yeah, right now Carter is four to one to go sixth overall and he is plus 350 to go fifth overall going back to the Tyree Wilson thing I know Michael Lombardi is probably not on your list of like the guys you tend to put the most stock in but He's actually a pretty good hit rate with regards to NFL draft stuff And he's been talking about Tyree Wilson going second overall for a pretty long time now He was also on the bandwagon of the Texans not taking a quarterback with that pick So I think that you getting Tyree Wilson a plus 650 to be the first defensive player. That's a tremendous number Do you think that there's still value in plus 250 for him to go second overall because honestly? given the dynamics for that second overall pick where The most likely trade-down candidate is within the same division might not want to trade in within that same division to give them a quarterback You might not want to trade down to seven like with the Raiders or whatever because it might miss the autumn those those linemen I think that the Wilson plus 250 to go second overall does Does interest me now with you having a plus 650 for first defensive player? I wouldn't take that but if you didn't have that in your pocket. Would you have any interest in that number? I? Think so. I mean I just I Think you can flip a coin or a four-sided coin with this There are some people that strongly believe that CJ Strat is out of the running to be number two because Houston doesn't like them For whatever reason that may be true. That's possibly true. I don't know Tyree Wilson plus 250 will Anderson plus 320 Yeah, I definitely definitely bet that I would consider yeah But I think that just in general checking out everything that came out Monday from people. We trust a lot with that regard Very worthwhile in general. It's in the ad talks a lot about it's knowing who you trust and the people we trust Put a lot of stuff out in the world Yesterday now you talk a lot at about betting markets when their first post and fandom was one of the last books to post Draft position over unders they they're still somewhat fresh I would say later than other books when you look at those right now anything stand out to you with where they currently sit Yeah, I mean for sure. Let me go one of the things that I liked is Dalton Dalton concade under 24 and a half There's a lot of things when you look at either sharp max or you look at grinding the mocks Which is more of an aggregate of a lot of mock drafts. It all points to concade going before the 25th pick and it is I think you get a better number over a DK but don't think it is kind of an athletic freak Daniels Jeremiah has been talking about them for a while and This is a market that like you said is new and I think you can get some value here Yeah, I like don't think he'd under 24 and a half I was looking at Jeremiah's top 150 yesterday and he has concade. I think ninth overall. Yeah in terms of like overall Yeah, and then you think about the teams picking before 24 you have a lot of teams that need past catcher I don't think it may be it's not so tight end, but like they need past catchers and in this draft Concade could probably be I think that it was Nate ties to the athletic called concade One of the better past catchers in the draft like receiver or tight end So if you need a past catcher and a lot of teams before 24 do or before 25 do I think that does make a lot of sense now with concade Looking at the NFL draft props as far as be the top draft pick by position I think that you're picking the right market for concade under 24 and a half because there's a good chance we see both concade and Michael may or go pretty early on the draft first tight end drafted mayors minus 160 Concade is plus 125 which means this market is juiced up a lot as they all are for sure I think that I'd rather go with concade under 24 and a half personally a minus 122 versus taking him over mayor at plus 125 Do you agree with that as well? Yeah, for sure Yeah, so I think that's the best way to bet Concade There's a lot of buzz about Sam Laporta potential moving up But it doesn't sound like he will be in the discussion for the first tight end drafted So that's the positional props or the the draft position props One of the one we talked here about here on the show a couple weeks ago Ed was over four and a half quarterbacks to go in the first round at the time that was plus 144 That is no longer the case the number of quarterbacks taking the first round Over four and a half is minus 215 So actually want to ask you a quick caveat here You got this a plus 144 The under is now plus 158 we talked about hedging before a lot and I tend to not like it personally because it cuts into Bets where I get a lot of closing line value and I don't want to undercut my best bets But so I I tend to not want to do this But you have plus 144 in your pocket Would you consider adding under four and a half plus 158 is a hedge or are you gonna stand pat and take the good closing line value? No, I'm gonna take the closing line value I mean this all comes down to Henin Hooker and he were plus 100 over the weekend to be a first-round pick and Now he's minus 200 which pretty much agrees with this I guess I mean this is actually a way to bet I mean if you don't think hooker is gonna go in the first round then this is the way to bet that right because there Is actually no there's no market for not being a first-round pick So, yeah, I think I mean I like this position. I'm gonna I'm gonna hang tight with this and But yeah, this is you know Under four and a half QB is a way to bet Henden Hooker not a first-round pick Yeah, so we got us you got us good value there And any other spots where you see value in these markets where the over under positions drafted in the first round Yeah, I mean in five Nogget Saturday, I definitely had over four no over five and a half offensive linemen Juden's it thought that number should be minus nine hundred I think Man, I don't know if I caught it one of those minus three thirty at DK I think I think I ended up being minus three eighty or something like that It is since moved to six and a half pretty much even odds So that's gone I actually do see a lot of linemen kind of at the later Later ends of the first round of some of these sharp mocks that I'm looking at but Yeah, so that was another one it's gone now, but Yeah, listen to Drew Drew's good shocker Breaking news everyone involved check out drew on Twitter at well under short cap or that market currently right now Over six and a half on some offensive line in the first round is minus one away under is minus one 22 But it does sound like with what I was saying, you know given the lack of Receivers that could go in the first round all that stuff I think that the six and a half number is probably where it should have been the whole time now. Let's talk here about Positions where the first player drafted is far from decided we talked about the mayor one versus concave Sounds like we like the concave under versus that one But there are a lot of other ones and Ed you've talked a lot about how you like this market because we can a lot of Times have a decent amount of certainty and who will go first overall We don't have the odds reflecting that certainty right now So when you look at the first player drafted by position anything you like in those markets right now? Yeah, I haven't made this bet and I might not depending on what people say from here until Thursday But I am looking at the first offensive linemen Skoransky and Paris Johnson will big 10 competition there. Oh Man that lengthened since this morning So it looks like Paris if Paris Johnson is gonna go first. It's likely seventh to the Raiders and He's he's way ahead of Skoransky there If that doesn't happen and the Raiders pick a cornerback, which I actually have some bet on Then it looks like Skoransky is much more likely to be the 10th pick to Philadelphia So I'm trying to figure out what the sharp mocks are gonna say about that as we kind of head into that That's something I'm keeping an eye on there potentially could be a lot of value in Skoransky there He'll have to take your Northwestern hat there As he as he walks up to the stage, but not one of that I bet but something I'm keeping an eye on Yeah, right now Paris Johnson is minus 250 Skoransky is plus 250 Darnell right 8 to 1 Broderick Jones 16 to 1 and I think the Paris Johnson movement is a result of there was a report today that Kyler Murray is vouched for Paris Johnson and wants him on the team and There has been a lot of talk recently about how the Cardinals if they are able to trade down Would want an offensive lineman to help, you know protect Kyler So I think that I'm guessing this is correlated to that where they're kind of connecting the dots on Maybe if the Cardinals are able to trade down they would go Paris Johnson and potentially That would be a situation where we could see that happening That's interesting. How does he know Paris Johnson? What's the I think that he just wants a tackle I Think that that's what it is But I think that he is he is advocated for him in terms of wanting protection the building It's not like they're actually giving Kyler Murray a voice here Johnson's down to plus 350 To be the third overall pick that would assume the Cardinals can't get out of it So I think that's the right there. That's kind of insane. Yeah I mean because that would be really interesting right because you can certainly right I mean the ideal situation for Arizona is that long the Vegas wants to trade off draft and Anthony Richardson Or whatever quarterbacks available. They can go down to seven. They can get Paris Johnson there But the markets are actually saying they might just take them with the third pick, right? And that's probably where that's for sure where that's coming from I was looking around to see if there was a Cardinals specific prop like so I could take the number out of it And you know account for the fact they might trade down. I don't see any Cardinals specific markets of like Position the first draft pick. I think that's where I'd want to go is to be an offensive lineman I think that that'd be where I want to look yeah for sure I mean Fandall doesn't post those team specific markets for like the top 10, right? Yeah, they just let the They just let the that number pick market be that Definitely check elsewhere because I think some of the other Sports books do have it and I do think that like the the drumbeat of Paris Johnson to the Cardinals has been picking up steam and I think that it's from people I tend to tend to trust so I would try to find ways to Leverage that potentially and see what you can find there anything else you want to mention as far as the draft goes Ed before we get Thursday net underway No, not really. I mean so far it's been a pretty good Draft betting for me. Yeah, I had will levis over seven and a half which is Dead But that that's basically the only that that hasn't moved my way I mean not not the ones that I've talked about today, but yeah, the rest of them Have have moved my way. So yeah, I'm pretty excited for Thursday to come and Yeah, actually, I mean, I do think there's probably gonna be some more value over the next couple days we get these final mocks from from a lot of sharp people and Hopefully there's even more value to be found if people want to sweat with you with you What's your what's your biggest rooting interest right now as far as financially for Thursday night? Well, is it the four and a half quarterbacks one or? Anything else I mean, I don't have anything particularly big Yeah So, yeah, I mean it's kind of spread out over eight ten bets and probably more I've definitely I've been saving these four members of my site. So you can check that out at power rank calm There will definitely be more tomorrow And yeah All right best on Thursday as Ed mentioned check out all that stuff over at the power rank calm sign up for five Nugget Saturday to get ahead of the the markets moving like they do with the offensive lineman one not just for that But also for plenty of other things as well I can find Ed on Twitter at the power rink and check out the stuff at the power rink calm Ed I appreciate you swinging by as always talk and spend a felt draft It's been a fun season once again and good luck to you on Thursday night with all your bets Thanks so much Jim. Alrighty check out Ed on Twitter at the power rink I am on Twitter at Jim son is want to thank you all for tuning in back once again tomorrow talking about the PGA tour at the Mexico Open and it's maybe a plow should be a lot of fun We'll talk to you then this has been covering this spread right here on the fan duel podcast network


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So ride your way. Alright, so we got another one. It seems like these days we just keep watching a lot of things from the same people, right? Because my you also is cranking out way too much content. Right. Okay. So here's the thing, right? So if you look at the top anime directors, right, you got your Miyazaki Ghibli. Yep. You got your Hosada. You had your shinkai, right? Hosada is putting out one every three years. Miyazaki and Ghibli are putting out one every century. Yep. Right. How often, you know, but the point is Masaki Uasa and Saiyansaru are cranking out not just TV shows, but also movies at a shocking rate. So this movie came out in Japan months ago, but finally made its way to the U.S. one night only in U.S. theater, some subtitles, thanks to G-Kids of course. Yep. And I said, well, I guess I have to go see that. Yep. So even though it feels like we just talked about Walk On Girl. And also we not that long ago reviewed another movie that has a very, very, very similar. Oh yeah, Lou Over the Wall, right? Lou Over the Wall, which was also Uasa. Right. And had the same producer as this, right? So there's Lou Over the Wall, Walk On Girl and this bang, bang, bang. It's like they're just, it feels like those movies are coming way too fast from, from the studio. Yep. And just to remind you before this, because I want to go through some of this ping-pong the animation 2014 adventure time, that one episode of Food Chain 2014, Space Dandy 2014. And then a gap because that's when they founded Saiyansaru. And then Night of Short Walk On Girl 2017, Lou Over the Wall also 2017, Devilman Crybirds, baby 2018. I think they only did one episode of Space Dandy. Right. Director, writer, animation supervisor and storyboard for the episode, Slow and Steady Wins the Race, baby. Right. It was sort of, it was like Adventure Time where there was one episode that was totally insane that was by them. But Uasa did like one crazy episode anyway. So this movie, just the short version is, it is absolutely worth seeing. It is a fantastic movie. It is extremely well executed. And I have very few complaints about it. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing at the same time. Well, that is all true. It's also not like, oh my God, it's the best movie ever. It's a legendary, right? Yeah. It's like, it's like great. It's, it's between good and great, right? But I guess maybe, maybe it is great, but not legendary. Great. But what I would say is that regular great for what it is, because the story it told was a relatively straightforward story. Like there are no surprises. Right. So I read the synopsis, right? And this is not spoiler, right? For the movie at all, because all this stuff happened super early in the movie. And also you can figure this out from the teaser trailer. Right. So this is the synopsis of the movie is, okay, there's some, you know, 20-somethings that live in like a beach town, right? The girl's a pro surfer. The girl's like a basically a pro surfer. The dude is a fireman. They fall in love. The dude dies. And then it becomes a situation like that, you know, movie ghost with Goldberg and those other people, right? Where the dudes a ghost with the pottery, right? I'm surprised that of all the headlining actors and actresses you might have said as ghost, you know, the movie with, I was surprised you said whoopie Goldberg. Yeah, because that's a recognizable person. The other, the main two people were just generic Hollywood hot people. I don't remember their names and I wouldn't recognize them on the street, but whoopie Goldberg is a recognizable unique individual. You don't remember who Patrick Swayze is. I know that's the name of a famous person, but if he walked into this room right now and said, what is my name?  If Patrick Swayze walked into this room right now, unless he looks radically different from old age or something, I would be like, wow, it's Patrick Swayze. I would say your unusually hot person. Are you a Hollywood actor of some kind?  I don't know your name. And it's Patrick Swayze. I'm like, I know that name. That is the name of a famous person. And then I'd say you were in things. What were you in ghost? Oh, I've seen that. OK. But to put it like a broader, the whole movie is just her sort of processing his death, basically. Yes. With a little bit of magical realism that does not necessarily need to be real. It could just be in her head. Though there's a fun little nod at the end to make it clear there's a little bit of magic going on. But the movie is exactly what I expected it to be, except the execution was so good that I actually want to bring in a lot of praise and point out a lot of very specific things. I think it did well. Right. So usually the other U.S. assigned Saru works, right, are usually sort of, you know, plot wise and character wise, really out there and like a short walk on, girl, I defy you to summarize the events of that movie succinctly. Right. To Tommy Galaxy, which has the same characters, basically, is also just completely like out there kind of trippy and nutty, right? Devilman crybaby.  Right. This is really plot wise and character wise, much more in line with a very, you know, down to earth kind of anime. Yep. Right. More in line with a plot you would see from Hosada. But what it really interested me is that there's actually a pretty good number of characters for how sort of zoomed in some of them have almost no screen time. But the characters that get screen time are surprisingly nuanced characters. Oh, yeah. And a lot of the things I thought, Oh, I guess, I guess that's gonna happen. That person will date that person. None of those things happened. Oh, everything I thought would happen happened. Well, the one thing I predicted specifically was the sister and like her deal. Yeah, I picked that one up pretty early. And I was glad that the other firemen did not date a different character. Yeah. Because that's a direction to a more pedestrian version of this movie would have gone. Well, that's a wall. Yeah. But the problem, not the problem, but the interesting about this movie is that it's so soon after Lou over the wall and both this and Lou over the wall, another completely crazy one. But they both in many ways tell a very similar story. And they're both about using water as a metaphor for the threshold of death and transformation central plots of both movies, even though one's a children's movie and one is, you know, more adult, not completely adult, but a more adult romance movie, maybe like a teenage romance movie, maybe call it right. Is that they're both about people dying at sea? Yep. But it's like central to the, you know, Lou over the wall was more about water and the mermaids were the metaphor for on one hand, the ostensibly suicidal feelings of the main character, coupled with like the processing of death, coupled with the death of like ideas and culture and like the old way that town was and how things change as time goes on and the past dies eventually. This one is very literally the death of one person and the reverberations or dare I say the waves that person made both metaphorically and literally in the world and how that affected the people around them. And then well, also about the people riding those waves, right? The name of the movie comes. Yeah. And how it's not really subtle with its message. Yep. But it's a movie. It's not to the point where, you know, sometimes there are movies where or or any kind of storytelling medium where, you know, their message is so sort of told so ham fistedly and overtly that it's in elegant, right? Here it is overt, right? To where they literally just spell it out for you. It's one of the rare movies that can get away with saying the name of the movie, right?  It's like it's like, you know, you need to ride your wave to do that, right?  Right?  And it's just like, Oh, it's just not. It's, you know, it's like, OK, you didn't really do this in an attacking way. You just did it in a way to where there's no way the audience can miss it. Yep. But at the same time, what I really appreciate about this movie is how much it trusted the audience to notice things and how a lot of the subtle things that happened in the movie were not spelled out. And it assumed that you would know that anime does that a lot in general. Yeah. But in particular, this one is a one point. There is a large time skip, right? Yeah. Then there are several. You don't really know what happened in that time and it doesn't matter too much. But there are references or tiny flashbacks to things that it's not a super long time skip, but it's long enough. There are tiny flashbacks to events that happened in the time skip or characters will reference things that happened in the time skip, but they didn't show you those things. So it's like, you know, it's like, if I went to rim and said, Hey, remember the time something happened and the time something happened was not in the movie yet. Yep. Right. It happened during a time in the movie that got ignored. But it's still okay. Right? It totally works. Yep. The other interesting thing is, and it seems like this is a science Saru thing. They hyper researched like the details of the things they were portraying to the point that like, there's a lot of very detailed long running shots of firefighting techniques and firefighting equipment that is like accurate to a shocking degree. The surfing is also extremely accurate. The life saving techniques, tiny little bits, like there's two different scenes where someone like takes an unconscious person and flips them onto a surfboard or a raft. Right. That's like, that's a technique you learn in life saving that like, I think because like I was saying, this one is much more grounded in the real world compared to their other works, right? Compared to say like Lou over the wall, right? So therefore, even though I'm sure they researched things for those other works as thoroughly, right? Say for example, like there was like a bicycle episode of to Tommy Galaxy. I'm sure that they researched bicycles for that. But because this is much more grounded in the real world, the real world matching research shines through. It's like you can see that they put that work into it when you watch the movie, rather than whereas they might have done it for other things, but it's less visible and, you know, obvious. I mean, it was weird for me because like, I am a son of a fireman, and I spent a lot of time around firefighting equipment as a kid. And part of my brain was like, that part's accurate. That's a Japanese only thing. That's the that's like this class of fire. Well, you know, when we talk about anime, we talk a lot about at least on the judge anime show, which will come back eventually guns. We talk about guns. It's like, Hey, you're reading some manga, you're watching some anime and that gun is just drawn in exquisite detail, right? It's like, well, the person who made this clearly likes guns, and it's clearly about the guns, right? Or the guns could be anything, right? And it should be the cars of the guns, right? Well, in this, there are several guns in this movie, right? And I think the biggest one is coffee. Coffee is the biggest gun in this movie. They're basically constantly drawing the process of making coffee. And a fire firefighting is also a gun, but the detail in the drawing, surfing and making Omurice. Yes. The detail in the drawings, an animation of people making coffee in cafes on the beach in their homes, right? Is not only a so highly detailed and realistic, right? To sort of, you know, appeal to coffee fanboys who, you know, want to make coffee in a fancy way. Yeah, well, that's CO2 boom.  Because it's subtle, but it ties together the like, the interest in the topic of how to make this kind of coffee, having like spread from person to person in parallel to all the other ideas that spread like waves among these people affecting each other. Yeah, because the dude who died was way into coffee. Yeah. And then everyone, after he's dead, you see more coffee making than when he was alive. Yeah, but in terms of something clearly meta meta think, right? Yeah, people, there's clearly one or more people at the studio who are way into coffee and this coffee making process in particular also from the definitely inserted it because this coffee fan people at the studio from the interview with the could have been I could have been any, you know, on the young joy of the producer. They talked a lot about how much research science are did for this movie in particular, and how like they got surfing lessons and life saving lessons. I wouldn't be surprised if they like shadowed a fire department in a beach. I wouldn't be surprised that they went to several cafes. Yep. Right. To watch them make coffee. And I guess like overall, because like you just it's an anime movie, like just watch it. I'm not going to explain the rest of the plot to you other than that. It is deeply satisfying. It's extremely well animated. It's beautiful. It'll hit you right in the fields. I cried a few times during it. I think the other thing is that, you know, like I was saying, it's not so as crazy surreal and unrealistic as the other works by you, but he still manages to put in the trade his trademark art style, right? All over it. Like you can tell immediately who made it. Yeah. Even though it's so different in many ways because of the way the characters move the way the lines on the edge, you know, the characters don't like, you know, hold hold their same like solid shape. Yeah. Yeah. They're sort of stretchy a little bit and wiggly. You know, he always does a little bit of wiggliness and the lines on the edge of the characters are. It's almost like they're thicker and thinner at the same time because they're sort of, you know, they move a little bit. Right. They're not, you know, characters all have like pretty unique or interesting walk cycles and like the way characters move is very tied to what they're about. Yeah. And then, you know, of course, the is trademark thing of sort of moving the, you know, it's not a real camera, but the virtual camera perspective and all which he's riding her bike. Right.  Right. All over the place, the way he does in, you know, a more, a less realistic anime. Right. But he's still doing that in this, you know, story that is mostly just real normal world stuff. Right. Yep. But there's enough crazy stuff and magical stuff that like, yeah, you couldn't make this live action, even though it's like so you can make like almost all of it live action. Right.  It's like, no, just kidding. You couldn't like the ending scene of this movie, like the climax of the movie to make that without animation would be on. It would be a practical effects effort on the level of like back to the future to or like a Star Wars. Yeah. It would not be, you know, doable. That is one hell of a climax too. That was a good scene. Yeah. So kind of got a little, you know, stretches your disbelief a little bit, but that's all right. I was totally down with the stretch of belief in that final scene just cause I was like, all right, I see what you're going to do here. Fine. It's like in the interview when the producer was like, I'll go, you also explained what he wanted to happen to the end. And she was like, what? Yeah. It's like, I'll let you know. And then he's like, no, no, no, no, no, when he's storyboard and she was like, oh, that was also interesting in the interview. We learned that, you know, it's like, I always feel bad, you know, when we talk about enemies or mongers, right? Cause in manga, always like a one or two people get all the credits when I know there were a ton of assistants aren't getting any credit. Yeah.  And we always just talk about like the one person, right? Yeah. But they, she said in the post credit interview that like, yeah, you also draws 100% of the storyboards themselves, which I think Satoshi Kone was also that way. Right. And it's like, oh, okay.  As, you know, obviously you, you're not fully responsible for every aspect of it. But in terms of, you know, the, the overwhelming majority of the creative input was at your direction. And from your mind, you are the primary author of this work by far. So I will give you most of the credit for that, right? But going further, not feel too bad, but I felt this before, but now that we've done, now that the track record is basically batting a thousand, science Saru is a really important force in anime. Oh yeah. I still wonder if they're overworking their people, but more so, you know, in the bad anime industry way. But on young made a really interesting point. They have like less than 100 people. They founded the studio basically to make that adventure time episode. And then they made everything. But all the things they made, the rare in that they make both feature films and television. And she talked about how that's how they can have a development pipeline to give up incoming people in the animation industry the ability to like try directing and try like someone can like be the episode director for something and not like risk ruining a movie. Yeah. When you look at other anime studios, the vast majority of them seem to either be in the TV business or the movie business and sometimes video game cut. But by having both they're getting what the anime industry started to lose in Japan. If you look at all the greats we talk about and you look at like the works over their lives, they all started as like key animation for episode four of like Gundam. Right. But it's like, you know, I guess Madhouse made movies and TV shows. Yeah. But it's like Ghibli only makes movies. Is there a Ghibli TV show? I haven't seen one. But she specifically pointed out that they do it because it lets them have the freedom to have their own internal development pipeline. Right. It's like you're some new person or you're lower in the totem pole. We're not going to let you make a movie. Right. The movies are serious biz. But you can have a lot more creative input on the TV shows. Right. I don't think, you know, you also is hand drawing every storyboard for every TV episode. Yeah. But we'll trust someone else to draw a storyboard baby. So other people can express their ideas, you know, something like at the Tommy Galaxy or the new show that I watched one episode of that I'm going to watch more. Keep your hands off Azokin. Yeah. Keep your hands off Azokin. It's their new show. Right. And it's like there's a lot of opportunity for other creators in the studio to have a lot of creative input on those TV shows and prove that they're good enough and maybe then work on a movie later if they're, you know, they stand out. But still, they said there's less than a hundred people working there making all this stuff. I don't know. That doesn't sound like a... So they got another film coming called You Knew Oh. It's supposed to premiere in 2021. It doesn't even have a Wikipedia page yet. Okay. So maybe they're taking a little break now. Is there any movie they made after Ride Your Wave? Not according to Wikipedia. Okay. And yeah, TV shows, they're making a ton. Right. Yep. So there you go. Science Saru, like just keep an eye on them. If you see Science Saru make anything, you should pretty much go see it. I haven't seen a bad thing that they've made. I feel like if we were younger and still like boisterous, like kids going to anime cons, we'd be doing that sofas dance around a con at least once. Oh, the sofas dance replacing the Naruto walk. Yep. The Naruto run whatever. Yeah, I gotta watch that again. I saw that one time. So go see this movie. This has been Geek Nights with Brim and Scott special. 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It's theCUBE, covering HPE Big Data Conference 2016. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Paul Gillan. Welcome back to the Boston Waterfront, everybody. This is theCUBE, SiliconANGLE's special presentation of the HPE Big Data Conference. Hashtag, seize the data. Keenan Rice is here, he's the Vice President of Alliances and Channels at Looker. Keenan, good to see you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, guys. So, we're talking about Vertica, the momentum in the marketplace. You see a lot of stuff happening in Big Data, not all of it's good, but seems like Vertica's pretty solid, growth continues. A lot of customer momentum, what's your take? Yeah, I really couldn't agree with you more. I think Vertica's really solidly positioned themselves in the market as kind of the best Big Data software that can be deployed anywhere, right? It can be deployed on-prem, hyper-converged, hybrid, cloud, whatever, right? So, we're seeing that across our customer base at Looker as well, petabyte scale workloads going anywhere they want to deploy with all the kind of best and breed analytic stuff. So, Vertica, a big emphasis on cloud. You guys are kind of born in the cloud. Yup. You're ethos. What's happening there? You know, a lot of people were saying, no, everything's going to be on-prem and then all of a sudden, wow, the customer conversations have changed, haven't they? Yeah, I mean, I think with any new change, you got to get over your fears, right? So, whether they're regulatory fears, whether they're just general control fears, right? And we've really seen that shift tremendously from every industry and our customer base from healthcare to retail to obviously born-in-the-web companies staying in the cloud. And they're going there and they're going to continue to go there and probably have faster rate than they did in the past, too. So, this is a big show for you guys. You guys are a major sponsor. You won the Hackathon last year. Two years running, actually. Oh, that's right, two years in a row. So, give us the update on Looker. Yeah, you know, we've continued to just keep growing really, really fast. Last year, about this time, we were about just over 100 employees, about 250 customers. Just starting to go international, now we're about 250 employees, over 700 customers. Big office now in London, probably looking to expand into APAC. Did a good $40 million round of funding with Kleiner back in February. So, yeah, we're a petal to the metal here. Yes, we've raised almost, what, close to 100 million now, right? Yeah, 98. So that helps you with the international expense.  Yeah, yeah.  Got a lot of players in this market.  Yeah, it's, you know, if I would look back four years ago and say, do I want to enter a space as a startup into completely hyper-competitive space, I probably wouldn't choose this. Get into the BI business, yeah. Probably not go back to the BI business, right? But I think we fundamentally had the right time, right place with the right idea, right? Which was companies like Vertica, the cloud, all these things, you know, the big data trend, the idea of storing as much data as possible, getting it all together and figuring out what to do with it later. That opportunity is what we kind of wrote on, right? So we built the company from the ground up to be cloud-native, 100% in database, leverage the growth and innovation that's happening in the data storage layer and be that thing on top of it to make the organization be able to describe their data, have a single source of the truth and then let everybody else find it, access it, do their own data discovery, embed it into portals, integrate it, do whatever they would like to do with the data. So the in-database architecture, the born-of-the-web thing really, really kind of helped us solidify against the other players in the market. And the gap between Excel and Oracle or SaaS is just so enormous. Is it fair to say you guys are with Vertica, tucking in there, really solving a lot of problems that can't be solved with Excel and too expensive to solve with those other solutions and too cumbersome? It's exactly right. I mean, I think the Vertica Looker solution is that next-gen business intelligence platform, right? You know, the first wave might've been the tear data micro-strategy, right? And I think the next wave, you know, really looks like the Vertica Looker world, right? Pedabyte scale, transform data query time, let everybody analyze it and do whatever they want to do with the data. We see the Watson platforms are changing people's thoughts about the role of machine learning in doing these kinds of analytics. Are you seeing other platforms emerge that as machine learning libraries are now open source from several of the major players? Is that becoming a major factor in how you continue to develop your product? You know, I mean, I think the continuous, yeah, I think the continuous trend in the kind of operationalization of machine learning and things like this is actually only showcasing how much more powerful our architecture is in this new world. So we have a tight relationship with IBM and we do some really interesting stuff with Watson, with machine learning and that kind of thing. It's really cool because data is not just the relational business data now, right? It's the sentiment analysis. It's the sensor data. It's all these things that when you start applying machine learning algorithms, you enrich that data. You write that back down to the database. Now you can actually, you know, give tremendously more rich context analytics for a normal business user, right? Talk about your business a little bit because you're on a growth trajectory. You're seeing a lot of companies in the general big data space struggling a little bit.  You guys have a different story, different narrative. Tell it. Yeah, you know, we're heads down, kind of trying to build the best, you know, next-gen business intelligence platform. You know, whether we're going to do that as an individual company, you know, for the foreseeable future, whether we're going to do that as a department. You know, we're really just trying to build that next-gen BI tool and really help our customers succeed with data and it's really telling, I think, in the customer acquisition, for sure, right? Well over, you know, 100 plus customers quarter over quarter coming to the Looker platform. Usage across each customer base, something I think is like 60% of the employees in the organizations usually get access to Looker. They start using Looker on a daily basis. It's almost as prevalent as email in a lot of these organizations, right? You have email on one screen, you have Looker on the other screen. So I think the fundamental usage, the change of philosophy in the organization around really becoming data-driven is driving our growth, right? And we're just going to continue to help our customers be successful with that and become more data-driven in that sense. Well, and we're really kind of six years into the bromide of becoming data-driven and now it's the better part of a decade. So it's actually happening. It's realizing, for sure, 100%. Visualization's a big part of that. Being able to interact with your existing database, SQL is something you guys bet on early, right? SQL, yeah, retro hip. Yeah, right. It used to be kind of boring at parties, but now it's all the rage. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of, it was very interesting. I think timing was definitely fortuitous to us, but our founders, they fundamentally believed wherever the big data world was going to go, SQL is always going to be the lingua franca for analytics, right? And we really saw a minor shift to see if you could do it without SQL. And then it realized it all came back to SQL as the lingua franca for analytics. Are you seeing new industries emerge or interest growing in any particular industries faster than others now? Man, data, it's been shocking. I mean, obviously, we had a big, big initial growth with born-of-the-web companies, right, with Uber's and Etsy's and all these companies that are really born data-driven, born-of-the-web and all this, but we've started to see it from financial services, healthcare, nonprofits, banking, et cetera. So it's kind of, it's across everything. Kim, you talked about essentially getting a foothold in an organization and then the number of, the usage explodes. What are the roles that you're seeing in terms of adoption for your solutions? Yeah, so we target going into the organization with the BI team, right, in the IT organization. So also retro-hip for the world of SaaS, right? They always try to disintermediate. We're like, no, let's make you more powerful. Let's give you the platform to then let everyone else succeed on top of this, right? So- Very service now-like, as it works, right? Very much, very much, very much. And it works extremely well, right? Because those are the folks that have the technical aptitude to really empower the organization. As long as you give them the platform to do that and empower everyone and not make them the gatekeepers of the information. So that's kind of, that's been a philosophy of ours for the development of the product.  Marketing is usually a huge user of data, right? They're doing really sophisticated analysis like customer journey stuff, sentiment, digital marketing, campaign attribution, all this kind of really cool stuff. You see finance, you know, really diving deeper into the numbers than they may have in the past with just looking at reports or spreadsheets. You know, they're really getting into the details at petabyte scale data, which is a pretty cool change that I've seen shift. Supply chain, inventory management, even IT teams actually using it to manage infrastructure and monitoring and this kind of thing. So, I mean, it's really going across to every department. Let's talk a little bit more about competition. You seem to find a good swim lane relative to some of the cool upstarts. Yep. I guess Oracle, you don't kind of, you worry about because they're so big, but it's Oracle, right? They get their red stack, okay. Microsoft's doing some interesting things.  What do you make of Microsoft as a competitor? Yeah, no, they've been extremely successful at the revamp of Power BI. Power BI is definitely riding on the success of Azure as well, right? So, you know, we're top tier partners with Azure. We see tremendously large and innovative workloads going to Azure as well. So, that platform is really matured quite nicely. With Power BI, I mean, I think, you know, they've really focused on the self-service visualization aspect, right? So, them, Tableau, AWS, QuickSite, you know, Click, et cetera. You know, they're all really competing and they've started to really define out that self-service, you know, individual or small team workload, right? We've continued to kind of stay in the, you want to take a little bit of a larger investment.  You want to deploy it to everybody. You want to kind of take that traditional BI approach and really modernize it with your next-gen data infrastructure stack and still give everybody self-service. But do it on this larger platform. That's kind of the swim lane we've really established. That's a transformative sell in many regards. So, what's that narrative like? Who are you typically selling to in the IT organization and how are you making that transformative business case? Yeah, so it's selling into the BI and the analytics teams. You know, and it's really the whole idea of empowerment. It's don't, you know, your business users are hungry for information. Your previous tools are becoming the gatekeeper. You know, we call this a lot of times the data bread line. You know, you're making your business users stand in line and beg for information. So, get out of the way. Allow everybody to have access to free market goods, right? And that's the organization's data. Okay, so you're taking on a big training task there, though, as well. And BI organizations have traditionally done a lot of the work themselves for users. You're talking about democratizing this. What kind of a task are your customers taking on when they seek to democratize information like this?  Right? We have a very large and growing younger workforce that is very data savvy, kind of from the beginning, right? Data and computers and things like that are part of their DNA, right? And then we have other parts of the workforce that might not be as data savvy and pick it up really quickly, right? So we have a really interesting curriculum and our customers adapt to it really easily where the entry point might be a dashboard. And they might only click on this link in their internet every single day, go to the dashboard, click on a few data points, drill into some details, maybe change the filters. And that might be it, but that's the access of information that they need from the BI team, right? And then others might need to build their own dashboards, to go build their own reports, to do more ad hoc discovery. And so then they easily can just click through and go into it, or we set up what our BI teams call Explorer Sessions, and they help them learn the functionality and the kind of how do you ask questions of data, the curiosity driven kind of approach. It's a really kind of easy curriculum, we help with them. And then you get analysts and business users and stuff that start going really crazy and integrating it to R, or integrating it into other business applications and really starting to do advanced workflows with the UI. So this is starting to come into focus for me anyway, is Microsoft cheap and cheerful, okay, that's cool. Tableau's Ascendancy- You said it, not me. But Tableau's Ascendancy was built upon denigrating your peeps, the BI teams, basically saying slow and cumbersome and you don't want to hang out with these, you're going and empowering that BI team, saying transform very service now like, and which is extremely powerful because they're in a position to permeate the organization, support it. If you make them heroes, good things can happen. So I didn't understand that before about Looker. That's- The BI team, those are our peeps for sure. That's who we are at Looker, right? And we want to make sure that they're successful. So you get advocates that are selling internally to the extent that you can make them successful. Come on, data's hard. It's hard. These guys are not just dead weight. They're extremely, extremely smart, right? So how do you leverage them across the organization? Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, and they're dying for new challenges that aren't just fixing the enterprise data warehouse. They don't like to build reports. They're analytics in the cloud. You have to get the data in the cloud first. What progress are you seeing right now on customers actually moving large amounts of data to the cloud? Much more progress than I would have actually expected so quickly. We still see, we see a lot of the born, born in the web companies that have the petabyte scale that just kind of was born in the cloud, right? So that was quite easy for them, right? And then we start seeing a lot larger of the Fortune 500 companies moving to the cloud at a faster rate, right? They're still looking at multi workloads on-prem and cloud or some sort of hybrid in between, but they're getting terabytes and terabytes and even petabytes up there pretty quickly. And they're ascribing to the new philosophy, which is your next gen infrastructure is store everything, get it up there, and let's figure out what to do with it later, but don't get too cumbersome and burden yourself with doing multi-year structured data kind of approach like you would have done in the past, like not just shifting your data, but also shifting your data philosophy. Excellent. And Aiman O'Neill said this morning that people don't remember the exact quote, but copying data is a bad thing. Yeah, friends don't let friends copy data. Friends don't let friends copy data. Are you seeing, is that part of your philosophy is to work with the production data? For sure. Yeah, it could be a simple replication of the production. Well, obviously never connect to the production database, right? Unless you're doing some mixed workload kind of database itself, but yeah, copy the data over, augment it, write data to it that comes from any sources, business applications, sensors, internet of things, production databases, whatever, just get it all together there and leave it there, right? Let us leverage the power of the database by doing that transformation at query time rather than transforming it, copying it, transforming it, copying it, transforming it, and then all of a sudden, now you have data lineage problems, you have this data heritage, all these problems that are manufactured, right? It shouldn't actually exist. It sells a lot of storage. Yeah, it sure does. Yeah, it sells a lot of vertica, it sells a lot of storage, but those things are becoming cost effective. We see that that is a cost effective and a business effective approach at petabyte scale, so there isn't quite an argument to do the latter half these days. So what should we look for from Looker, going forward, what's on the horizon? So we have a big event that we're doing in October, so it's going to be our first conference, our first user event, so hopefully we'll have you guys there. Where is the house? It's going to be in New York, October 17th and 18th, or 18th and 19th, thank you. That's huge. Yeah, so hitting the critical mass, so that's really exciting. We have some really exciting initiatives that we're going to announce there. The next gen of Looker's going to be announced there. I can give you a little bit of a sneak peek. It's the idea of Looker being a data platform rather than just being a BI tool. So the idea of being a data platform is this is the central place for people to manage their data, to govern their data, to describe their data, and then allow the data to go into context for the end user. So whether that's our BI application, it could be our data apps initiative that we launched back in April, where it's pre-created templates of analytics, so whether that's customer journey analysis, or sales analytics, or customer success management tools. That's the data apps program, so that could be one thing. It could be our powered by Looker initiative, so building custom applications, or embedding into third-party applications. Or it could even be our data in context, what we call data everywhere, which is like using our Slack bot. So you might live in Slack and communicate a lot, and so you can actually be leveraging Looker in real time, asking questions of the data, getting that in context, embedding Looker into Salesforce, and actually looking at it pipeline analysis, and other sorts of trends in real time, in context of that account, of that opportunity, et cetera. So this data platform thing is what we think is pretty revolutionary to allow those BI teams to build data experiences for their customers. And that's the 18th, 17th, 18th, 19th in New York City. Where in New York City is it? It's going to be at the Mercantile Exchange. Oh, fantastic. Right, in fact, we're going to have an event there, and right around the same time. We'll warm it up for you. It's close to the Javits, right across the street from Pillars 37, where we have our big event every year. So it's a great location. You're going to love it. Fantastic. We're looking forward to seeing you guys there. All right, Keenan, thanks very much for coming to the queue. Really a pleasure seeing you. Thanks. All right, keep right there, everybody. Paul and I will be back with our next guest right after this short break.