Hi everyone, Joe for Jasper's Case Breaks.com. Happy Saturday, happy Kentucky Derby day. We got the horses all being pranced out. We'll probably be watching the Kentucky Derby during this break. All-Cards ship in this chronicle. Second half of the case, this is Picker Team Four. Thanks everyone for spending a bit of your Saturday with us. We appreciate that. There's everybody right there. Jeff ended up getting the last spot in Mojo with the Seahawks. Remember this is the second half of the case. Remember in the first video I marked this with some X's right there so you know they're from the same master case. And we've got another case posted on Jasper's Case Breaks.com right now. So check it out. A lot of great stuff in this Chronicles football. We've been having a lot of fun with it. I think the, what time is it right here? I think the Kentucky Derby should be having less than 10 minutes. Move by the end of this first box. All right, there's a Chronicles Tua right on top there, nice. A lot of nice Tua's in the first half. Miami, that is for Keele Kessler. Joe Burrow, Legacy Rookie Silver for Omar and the Bangles. There you go. There's Henry Ruggs to 199. Now these Prism Black cards seem to be the ones that everyone really seems to like. Especially the Rookie Serenity. So that's pretty cool. Especially the Silver versions of those. And we got Amon Green, nice. On card, award winners, on card autograph, your 2003 NFC Offensive Player of the Year. That is for Serenity and the Green Bay Packers. LaVisca Chennault Jr. to 199. And Jonathan Taylor, Jersey and autograph for the Blue Horseshoes. Marked with the Colts. Jerry has the Jags. Here's another Tua for Miami. That's gonna be for Keele Kessler. I like these Dynagon cards right here too. We need to find a Justin Herbert Prism Black card. Alex with this one. Another Herbert here, another Joe Burrow. So another Burrow for Omar and the Bangles. And look at this. A score, Silver, Tom Brady Patriots Edition. That's gonna go to Lee with the Pats. Keenan Allen and Dalvin Cook to 199. Dalvin Cook going to Asa and the Vikings. Got a Prism Black Red at JK Dobbins to 99. Jalen Hurts for the Eagles, Joseph. Those luminance designs are really nice. All right, next box. Anyone wanna put on the record what your picks are gonna be for the horse race here? Race 12, Kentucky Derby. I splashed a little bit on, you know, just for funsies. If you go to the show, the schedule, that's pinned in the chat, go to Joe's picks. Oh, Bezos, I got it 20 to one. Mandaloon, 15 to one. Medina Spirit at 15 to one. Highly motivated at 10 to one. And Superstock at 30 to one. I just took long shots.  Gotta put a little bit on the long shots for 199, Curtis Martin. There's Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert. Jonathan Taylor to 299, Relic. Mark with the Colts. Curtis Martin going to Patrick and the Jets. Couple of Justin Herbert's for Alex and the Chargers. Nice, we're at four. I'm hoping for the over, JMS. Omar with the Bengals, gets the Joe Burrow. Yeah, essential quality, is now at a three to one now. It's not like soup and sandwich. I do too. Oh, the horse. Nice Joe Burrow, Orange. Legacy rookie, Orange. Tyler Brenner likes Brubotic. What are the odds on Brubotic? A lot of horses here. We've got Scor Silver, Clyde Edwards-Elaire, for the Chiefs. That's gonna be for Robert. And we've got a Joe Burrow, Prism Black. Nice one for Omar. 29 to one on Brubotic, nice. And we've got a Henry Ruggs Scor, Gold Autograph. Michael with my Raiders, nice. 39 out of 50. Jake Fromm going to Mark Miller and the Bills. Another Jordan Love going to Serenity and the Packers. These are pretty short printed. These Crown Royale cards, 15 out of 15.  Going to Mark and the Colts. That's Jonathan Taylor, nice. Any other horse racing fans out there? No, no one else has any pigs, just Tyler. Joseph with the Eagles. Here's a Prism Black Silver, the Jerry's Snead. Robert Briggs and the Chiefs, nice. We'll do a quick little recap at the end as well. Starting to load up the horses. All right, Samford's got a horse pick for us. Likes Rock Your World. A lot of owners and their families nervous. Nervous looks, nervous trainers. Got a Tua here and we've got a Calvin Ridley Relic to $2.99 for Kyle and the Falcons. Big Riggs going with a horse with four hooves. Right, you don't want to get a, you don't want to get a three legged horse in here.  Keele with the Tua. Chase Claypool, artist-proof blue to $35. Michael Gallucci and the Steelers. That's Jarvis Landry to $1.99. And another Henry Ruggs autograph for my Raiders. There you go, Michael. Hoping for a big season from him next year. He just showed some promising signs last year. Take it to the next level this year. Medina Spirit, soup and sandwich. Mandaloon are the top three right now. Here's Joe Burrow for Omar and the Bengals. I got a long way to go in this one. Chase Claypool to $1.99. T. Higgins, Panini Prison Black Silver, parallel. $1.99, Jonathan Taylor, there we go. Prison Black, Justin Herbert. I think Prison Black might probably be the best selling of all the various versions of Justin Herbert, Alex. If it's grades out nicely, pretty strong. Medina Spirit. I had Medina Spirit at 15 to one. And these 900 points will give to one person and will randomize to one person in the break. Can't count out of a Bob Baffert horse, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, he sure is, Jeff. That's why I had to put a little bit on that horse, on Medina Spirit. Yeah, that was my least favorite card ever pulled, Jason. I never want to see that tuck rule card ever again. Warren Moon, it's $1.99. Another Jordan Love, Prison Black. There's Brandon Iac for the Niners. That'll be for Kevin and San Francisco. DeAndre Swift Orange, $41 out of $75 for Serenity and the Lions. Another tool right here. For the Dolphins, Keele. Jordan Love Luminance, Cam Akers to $1.99. Henry Ruggs, Prison Black. And Gabriel Davis, Autograph. Elite Design, Turn of the Century Auto, $2.99. Mark Miller with the Bills. Buffalo! Brandon Iac, got another clear Justin Herbert right here. Playoff, clear. Next goes to Alex. And Jalen Hertz, Autograph. Yes, nice. Prison Black, Green Parallel. So Color Match and the Auto, $27 out of $49. Joseph P with the Fly Eagles Fly. Ooh, more points, winner take all on the points. So that usually takes the place of a hit. Probably an autograph at that point level. Nice. Chase Claypool, Jalen Hertz, Joe Burrow. Another burrow for Omar and the Bengals. All of those add up. Jalen Hertz, Eagles, Joseph. Chase Claypool score, Silver for Michael. The winner, that horse was bought for $1,000. Now worth a little bit more right now. To $2.99, Cam Aker's Relic for Ryan Redman and the Rams. We got to $49, Jonathan Taylor and a score, Tua. The Green Jonathan Taylor for the Colts. Mark with the Blue Forest Shoes and another Tua for Keele and Miami. To $49, J.K. Dobbins. Michael Pittman, Jr., three out of 25. Nice silhouettes, two color patch and autograph. Mark with the Colts. It's a good looking card. Michael Pittman, Jr., Jonathan Taylor solid. They've got good coaching, good defense out there. Carson Wentz, could his career be revived in Indianapolis? Be very interesting. There's Jalen Hertz to $49. And a rated rookie, Tua, Tunga by Lowe, Keele. Last box coming up. I want to buy a horse for $1,000. Where can I get a horse for $1,000? Maybe Jaspy should invest in a horse. Have it run at San Anita. I wish he'd think it'll cost for us to get Bob back with a train at $1,000 horse. All right, last box, ladies and gentlemen. Then we'll do that randomizer, then we'll do a recap. Winner take all on the points. Got a Jordan Lowe. Got a Derek Henry to $25. Nice two color patch. That'll be for Gordon and Tennessee. Inside out reporting that Lamello officially on the court, he's excited. There's a legacy rookie red, Justin Herbert to $99. Nice. Alex with the Chargers. There's a Mahomes. There's a little Viska Chennault, Jr., Silver. A Michael Pittman, Jr., to $199. Little T Higgins is, a few T Higgins. Jacob Eason. Prism Black, red, autograph. Mark with the Colts. There's Joe Burrow for Omar. Jalen Hurts to $199. And the last little stack here. We've got Antonio Gibson to $75. Another two of a couple other Colts right here. All right, the Antonio Gibson, $58 at $75. Score, Refractor, autograph. Patrick Davis with the Washington football team. Nice one. The Tua for Keele Kessler and the Miami Dolphins. And let's, before we do the recap, let's randomize the two 900 points cards. Winner take all on the points. All right, so let's go back to this list right here. Let's go, that's the new dice. Back to the list. Let's grab everyone's names. New dice, new list. The name on top gets both points cards after seven times. If you didn't have a very good break, that's a nice consolation prize right there. After seven, one, two, three, four, five, six, and seven in the final time. Name on top, drum roll, drum roll, drum roll is gonna be close. Here, Damian, sorry, but winner is Mark. There you go. He had the colts too. So, cherry on top for Mark. Thanks everyone for getting in. Appreciate it. Another solid chronicles break in the books. The next break will be from a fresh case. So go and check it out. I might just have to snap a picture of that, Justin Herbrough, or Jalen Hurts, that is. Looks really nice. A lot of nice stuff out of here, boys and girls. I don't think the crown royals are not too common at all. Those are really nice. The Brady Silver, all sorts of great stuff. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with me. I'm Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com. I'll see you next time for the next break. Bye-bye.


One of the, I think, great assets that you guys have that you've talked about doing more with is the Great America out in California. You know, I know that there's some zoning complexities, but could you update us on where you are in the process of investing in that park and what you think the opportunity is and the timeframe to, you know, reap that opportunity? If you go back, this is a great question, Barton, if you go back several years, we have also identified a couple of markets as true growth markets for us. You know, Carowinds Park in Charlotte, Great America Park in Northern California. We have the zoning in place and we could run hard and run fast at Carowinds. And as you know, we scaled that park up over the last several years. We've taken our learnings from that and gone back to Great America. We completed a rezoning process early last year, in the 17th year. And we now have the zoning to go do the things we want to do. It's a little more complicated market out in California. It takes a little bit longer to work through the development issues. So we can't run at the same speed or as fast as we would like. We've got a robust plan targeted at that market. It's one of the more attractive markets that we operate in. You know, the qualified audience out there is significantly larger than we have in some of our other regions where we do extremely well. So we think there's a lot of growth there. We think we've got a sequence in pace at a responsible level. We'd like to run a little bit faster than we can, but we're really targeting over the next few years to drive that like we did Carowinds. But that's what we're probably going to be a little more patient with. Okay. When do we start to see some of the food service? Even a couple of years before we start to see things get out of zoning and get into actual impact on the park? Yeah, we're making a lot of improvements this year. We've got a lot of improvements, particularly in park, attached to feed and beverage over the 19 season. And then you start to see us bring online a lot of really targeted things at the market in 2020. Alrighty. So some interesting developments coming out of CGA and Cedar Fair. So it seems like if I'm to analyze this business kind of call slash meeting that they had recently, I think it was actually a week ago. It seems like CGA has only been delayed due to some zoning problems that they had with the county or the city or the state, whatever it is. I don't know too much of the details of why they're having troubles with the zoning, but they are. It seems like there was just a bit of a delay and 2020 all things will go full force again, which is really good news. Again, we have stated since we saw that permit kind of pop up that it was canceled. We have stated that we don't believe the project is canceled and that there would just be a slight delay, something similar to what we saw at Canada's Wonderland where a coaster project is shipped to another park or for other reasons, just a slight delay. And it looks like that is exactly what happened. So CGA's hyper coaster could be in 2020 by the end of that little call. You can hear him say that 2020 things would start to go full force. Some of their little investments into the park. So that's good news. I don't know whether that's going to be the water park or the hyper coaster, but it looks like their plan, their expansion plan is going to start in 2020. So it doesn't sound like anything's changed. They told the stockholders that everything seems to be all right and nothing's changed. So from when I'm gathering, they're still going to get a hyper coaster. They're still going to get that water park expansion and they're still going to get the flat ride packages and the little entertainment entrance way that we saw at Hershey Park as well. So I don't think anything's changed at all in terms of the expansion plan as I just discussed. It looks like 2020 is the start year for CGA's expansion plan, which is really exciting for those of you that were maybe a little bit let down and we're starting to think that it was canceled. So yeah, super exciting. I wanted to share that news with you guys because I know a lot of people were starting to think it was canceled or it was delayed inevitably. So hopefully you guys really enjoyed this video and hopefully it lifted your spirits. 2020, it looks like it's going to be an exciting start to an exciting expansion plan for CGA. So congratulations, CGA fans. Hopefully you guys really enjoyed this video. Hit that like button, subscribe if you haven't, and share this video for others to enjoy. Have a good one guys. Bye.


Hey guys, Thunder E here and welcome to my gaming review of the Galaxy S20 Plus. Now a lot of people are leaning towards this device and I figured it's time to do a gaming video to see how well it functions in those kind of environments and see what we get. Now to help us with this video is our partner, Visible Mobile, who is sponsoring this video where you can get $40 unlimited text, talk, data on mobile hotspot with no contract and they're helping me with this giveaway. So watch all the way through, stay to the end and let's go check out some games. The Galaxy S20 Plus is a lovely device. Now in terms of just quick comparisons to the S20 Ultra, it is just lighter. It's a really light device and you've got more colors too as well so you can see it kind of looks white though but this is like the light baby blue color and I like that it's got those kind of options. Now this device packs in a lot of features. We do have a very solid camera array which you can check out our camera video versus the S20 Ultra and the iPhone. This stacks up and holds up on its own so if you're thinking of okay cameras and stuff this will do well so how about gaming right? We do have the Snapdragon 865 processor, we've got 12 weeks around this device as well. It does have a 4500 milliamp battery and it does have a fast charger up to 25 watts. I did try the 45 watt charger, I didn't see any difference so I'll say it's at 25 watts. I will check that again but that's what I've gotten so far. Now when you have all that what do you get with gaming performance with a device like this? With your standard mobile games you get 120 frames per second because this device has a display at 6.7 inches, supports 120 hertz at 1080p and of course not at 2K resolutions which this time are across the S20 series line. So let's take a look at the games we have, the kind of performance and then we'll go from there. So in terms of gaming this thing handles really well, I mean it's smooth, there are really no hiccups or anything. When you look at just all the games that you saw on the plane of an Android device it's really solid. Now in terms of temperatures we've got about 95 degrees which is a little higher than I would like. I think with the vapor cooling chamber hopefully that should come down. Although I'm not sure if this device has a vapor cooling chamber and that's not left for the ultra. If I'm wrong with that let me know but that's what I got with temperatures right. Audio is really good, speakers are loud and clear, you hear that with the games and the speaker levels are brown the same for me with the S20 Ultra so that's why I didn't do a specific speaker test with this device. Now you guys probably saw that controller, you were like okay what's that controller you used to play Call of Duty, that is the GameStar F4 controller, I wanted to just kind of showcase and use it here. I'll be doing a full review on my gaming channel so go over there to board gamer to check it out. But it's a simple controller, trigger buttons, it kind of folds in and like the stat hole mechanism of folding it and it fits with your S20 Plus and your S20 Ultra. So take a look out for that. Now something I didn't spend a lot of time on was actually gaming using the Galaxy Buds and I did that here with the Galaxy S20 Plus and it has a specific gaming mode and I have to say though what it really does besides amping up the bass is giving you really proper directional sound so while you're playing PUBG or Call of Duty you can hear exactly where those gunshots are and the positioning is really good. I know it's not just from my right or my left, I know it's like rights by my 5 o'clock around here, positioning is nice, it does a really good job and I think a lot of people should definitely try it out if you picked up the Galaxy Buds Plus. I think overall you really like to use this device to game, whether you're just using your hands to glide across the display, 240Hz start sampling is really good. That is solely on the state, it makes playing FPS's on your smartphone like the Galaxy S20 Plus really really solid. I mean I think that kind of performance is great in terms of battery life, I would say the battery life of course is a little less than the S20 Ultra because it's got a slightly smaller battery and it does show, I played from about 3 to about 6pm and I lost about 50% so it's a little higher than I would like but I do like the fact that when using it regularly this device really handled well in terms of battery life. Now the other thing to take note of course is that you have a device that can also use streaming services like GeForce Now as well as also Project XCloud and with those services they run really well. Being able to of course the app runs at 120 frames per second, don't know why but the games run well and just wanted to just quickly show that for people who would ask about streaming services if they work well on this device. I think overall I do like what it brings to the table and that's something I think a lot of people are looking for. Ok guys we reached the part of the video we've been waiting for, as I mentioned earlier we're doing a giveaway with our friends at Visible Mobile and we're giving away a Galaxy S20 and 2 months free of Visible Mobile and it's super cool and that's great all you have to do is go ahead and leave a comment down below of what you'd like about the Galaxy S20 series and leave your Twitter handle so I can select you as a winner. I will announce the winners in 5 days so stay tuned and yeah that's pretty much it guys. 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Hey, we're going to turn on, I am Greg Sussman. The first NFL game is in the books, and it was not fun for the Houston Texans, Jim. It was fun for me. I had a lot of fun watching it, so I don't really care about their feelings. I had a good time. You know, we had to see Clyde Edwards-Elair flashing that talent that we saw at LSU. That was a lot of fun. David Johnson looked younger, which was fun. So honestly, and Will Fuller was healthy and got a lot of targets. So I thought it was great. And if Bill O'Brien is not as happy with it, that's okay because I had a good time.  He puts his team in a position to lose, more often than he puts them in a position to win. Unlike you, Jim Zonis, who's going to put us all in a position to win this weekend, because it's time to talk about the stacks that we are playing on Sunday. Let's begin with your favorite stack. Well, that's going to make my wife happy. It's the Seattle Seahawks with Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett. Russell Wilson priced at $8,400. Lockett at $6,800. Why is the Seahawks your favorite stack other than facing off against the Atlanta Falcons team that should be right for the Piggins? That's a big part of it, for sure. The Falcons definitely help. But this game is also indoors. And as you know, Greg, I love Dome Games because there is no win to deal with that is a big plus for often. This is a good stack to like, even if we assume that the status quo remains in place for Seattle. Because last year, before Tyler Lockett's injury, he had 26% of the team's overall targets, 33% of the deep targets and 29% of the red zone targets. That was awesome usage. And Russ is really good in that time. But there's also the potential that they may let Russ cook a bit if that happens. Like we could see this offense explode specifically Lockett. Because again, that usage was so good last year when he was healthy. And I think that he should be healthy for this year. He's $6,800. There are like 15 different wide receivers in the 6,000 range who I adore. But Lockett may be number one on that list because of the usage I expect him to get now that he is healthy once again. So I could pair Russ with Chris Carson. I could pair him with DK Metcalf happily. But my favorite stacking partner is Tyler Lockett. And if I've got just one stack on this slate, I'm okay with it being Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett because they are good. They've got a good floor to begin with. But they're sealing. If the Seahawks unleash Russell just a little bit is crazy, crazy high. And that is right there. The one thing you have to be nervous about when stacking the Seattle Seahawks and using Tyler Lockett rather than to Chris Carson because Brian Schottenheimer kind of comes from the terrible coaching tree of Bill O'Brien where you can't trust them to do the right thing. Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett, for all the reasons you mentioned in the dome make a ton of sense that you do have to worry about Brian Schottenheimer getting in the way. Speaking of Dome, speaking of teams that are really good. Let's get to New Orleans Saints, specifically Drew Brees and the player you're pairing them up with and it's Jared Cook. And I get it, right? It makes sense. Michael Thomas, Alvin Camara, they're more expensive but Jared Cook's $5,900 this week over on Fandal. Drew Brees, $8,100 for the Saints. You've always wanted to go with a low-cost option and high-octane offense. And it seems like Jared Cook makes the most sense here this weekend. You have read my mind to perfection, Greg, that is exactly what I want. And I'm hoping in this situation that we can Mike Evans to play because if Mike Evans plays, that boosts Tampa Bay's offense. If Tampa Bay's offense is better, New Orleans has to keep their foot on the gas longer. So I'm hoping Mike Evans plays, that's beneficial for everyone tied to this game. But if Mike Evans can't go or if he's dinged up, then I want to get lower salary exposure to this game. Like I still want exposure because the Saints offense is very good. They can do well even against a tough defense which Tampa Bay does have. So I do still want to go here but it would interest me more to go here the lower salary route and Jared Cook is that. But I can go with Jared Cook without sacrificing upside because we saw last year in that 49ers game, he can catch two touchdowns on two targets and then not play the rest of the game but still pay off in DFS. He was in the perfect lineup that week despite missing most of that game because he can do so much damage on the targets he gets. He gets targets downfield and targets downfield from Drew Brees. Despite the fact that he's not the deep ball extraordinary he may have been back in the day, those are still valuable in this offense. So Jared Cook $5,900 helps still tight end. I think we can say pretty recently that he will play 70% of the snaps and he should get balls downfield. So I think that Jared Cook and Emmanuel Sanders are both quality ways to get low salary exposure to this game helping you spend up for running backs elsewhere. So if I'm stacking the Saints offense I would love to get to Camara and Michael Thomas but if I can't do so, Jared Cook's a pretty good consolation prize. We used to call Jared Cook big foot because when you thought he was there all of a sudden he'd be gone, right? And it happens with Jared Cook all the time. Like you said, two touchdowns, two targets and then poof, he's away. And if those two touchdowns didn't happen it'd be a disaster. But a lot of times with Jared Cook you get those big time games and this week against Tampa Bay especially if Mike Evans will play you're in a good spot. And he doesn't cost all that much under $6,000 pairing him with Drew Brees. It's a win if you ask me. And now we go a little freaky, right? We start with Las Vegas Raiders and we get to Derek Carr. And who are we stacking it with? What's our first round? rookie Henry Rugs, the first wide receiver off the board in the draft. His name I feel like and Brian Edwards actually they've been creeping up draft boards in season long. And people have been excited about both these rookie wide receivers getting to start for Oakland, or for Oakland for Las Vegas. First time I did that this year. This Sunday, Rugs is $5,100. Derek Carr is $7,100. It's sneaky, kind of fun too. It is and this is probably gonna be the best matchup the Raiders get all year because the Panthers are going to be a DFS dream this year. Not only did they shed basically every player from their defense from last year but they've replaced them with rookies, seven draft picks, all defensive players, a lot of them are gonna play. That's good for opposing teams but it's not just the defense. It's also that Joe Brady is probably gonna run a past heavy fast scheme on offense which gives the opposing team additional volume. So that's huge for opposing teams. Derek Carr last year was not the highest upside player but he does get that boost in the opposing team here and he gets a boost from Henry Rugs and Brian Edwards. Both those are players who can take a short pass a very long way. And if Derek Carr isn't gonna go down field, he needs players who can do that. He didn't really have that last year with this offense but now he can be a different player with those playmakers being within this offense. There are a lot of intriguing, low-salard running backs this week. However, I wanna spend up for the studs. I want Christian McCaffrey. I want Dalvin Cook. I wanna get to guys like that who have this really good expected production. If I wanna do that though, I've gotta spend down elsewhere. Derek Carr, $7,100. Henry Rugs is 51. Brian Edwards is 47. I am also willing to consider that but I think that the upside of Rugs is hard to pass up and this is a good way to stack this game and get some upside and allow yourself to get those high upside players a running back as well. The Panthers are going to be a team that we are targeting all season long. The Raiders are not exactly sexy but a guy like Henry Rugs, well, it could make for a very, very fun game. Brian Edwards too, both cheap, both around that $5,000 range. It allows you to pay up. We spoke about Camaro before, Dalvin Cook you've said, right, these are the type of guys you're able to get in there when you go down to Brian Edwards, when you go down to Henry Rugs and take a chance on the Las Vegas Raiders. That's gonna do it for us. Here on The Fan, we'll hurry up. Jim, we've spent a lot of time over the last six months preparing for this weekend. I cannot believe it is real. I'm super excited, man. It is finally week one, Greg. The NFL is here. We've made it this far. We'll see how far we make it open for a full 17 weeks. But I mean, we've already got one game which is fantastic to me. So I'm happy to, they're just kind of living on borrowed time at this point. I will take every second of it. Good luck to you and everyone else in week one. Absolutely. Enjoy the games this weekend. Just take it all in as Scott Hansen would say, right? We got nine hours of football ahead. Plus Sunday night, plus Monday night. It's gonna be awesome. Thank you so much for watching. Enjoy the games. We'll be back Monday, Jim and I as we take a look at everything that happened over the weekend. Have a wonderful week. We'll see you next time.


Back to how she's very committee and let's see we're going to start committee discussion on s265 from a friend that I know that our roach council had had a comment regarding s254 applied immunity. Yeah I just wanted to correct the record on the case that the name I butchered it's library sent the Aldrich and it's from 1987 and that's one of the landmark cases really outlining qualified immunity and references some historical cases over the 100 years before that helped evolve it but that was really sort of the the first case that really outlined what it was and who it applied to. In Vermont. Excellent thank you. Okay so let's go back to s265 and that's really expanding criminal threatening includes two persons and joining us is draft 1.2 and the members of committee discussion and I have some thoughts. Yeah thank you Madam Chair. I just wanted to take some time and committee discussion not away from our witnesses to kind of parse out some of my feelings on the bill and some of the the interesting emails and interactions that I've had regarding it so kind of on the record thinking through some things out loud that's right but I think there's a misaligned perception that this bill is creating special circumstance where legislators alone are more important or deserve more protection than other people and but a number of emails with comments that I think ourselves highly and create our own rules but I think in in a large part this bill addresses something that's not often seen with public office and that is the really intense scrutiny that's allowed in the public discourse that's allowed and especially as of the last several election cycles there is a lot of vitriol and there's a lot of people that are incredibly qualified and talented and brilliant and deserve to be a part of this legislative process that will not step into that light because of some of the things we face in the sign of work I don't care if somebody wants to tell me about it but I do care if they're waiting for me at my porch when I get home I don't care if you want to disagree with me and and vote against me or run against me or anything like that this this bill doesn't create protections for my feelings or to legislative member body feelings but there's no good way currently to deal with harassment it's targeted at a person specifically because of the job that they do when it's involved in government like this and especially when I look around at the average age of the legislature the gender parity of the legislature I had heard more than once talking to people I would love to see till these seats that for the sake of their families for the sake of their children for the sake of of their own safety because they might not have a support system they don't feel comfortable doing that and that's not because they're weak people or they can't stand up to criticism it's because they're very real threats that not everybody in this legislature faces but I have faced and other members have faced and it objectively is a problem that needs to be addressed and so when dealing with a moment of public perception of designating ourselves as a class above others I want to reframe that on the record as we do a job different than others and we should be able to do that job safely I don't care if anybody within the realm of appropriate behavior wants to engage in any level of political discourse or disagreement but I don't think people should be afraid for themselves or their families to do this work and not have a course of three dress that is specific I think we could patch together a bunch of different statues that could create kind of a number of of protection but that's complicated and it's hard to prosecute and it's not clear and if it's not clear action is taken so I've had two minds about this bill but I'm going to end up supporting it not just for the safety that I think the members currently in these seats deserve but for the fact that the people that I want to see in these seats and I don't thank you I appreciate that and I want to make sure the committee knows that the that the network submitted written testimony today fair Robinson submitted testimony and supported this bill and one of the things that that she says here is regarding you know the threats in Vermont they do occur and a representative of a global problem according to a 2016 global study by the international parliamentary union 44 percent of female legislators surveyed threats of death rape beatings and abduction and without specific regarding sexual assault threats and sexual assaults may not be applicable under the statute because sexual assault is not always results in serious bodily injury um so you're speaking more to that addition but this was as you said it's 2016 um study I imagine that 44 percent is much much higher and and I have I have heard the same thing that that the number one um when when women who are thinking of running for office and the number one reason that they don't are thinking not to this because of their safety and we've got colleagues of them isn't it it has happened to our colleagues and it's happened yeah I for sake of not wanting to deal with the politics of it I nearly didn't report when my house was shot up I haven't reported people that will wait for me to come back from Montpelier on my porch to harass me about any number of things they disagree with and when I say harass I use it word very specifically but I don't feel comfortable for that because there's no easy way to deal with that there's no easy way for that to be handled and I am grateful that I have a sport system that I I have ways to feel safe there are people who do not have that and do not have a clear avenue free dress and there is this problem and so if we are looking simply as does this bill solve a problem that is currently affecting not just the legislature but public employees and school board members and other people get involved in our public process it solves a problem and I think that's the fundamental purpose of legislation yep um I really appreciate everything that representative Laughlin and others just said and I would just also know um with regards to the bill I mean it still has to meet the very high bar of our definition of criminal threatening which is which is not um that's not in its significant bar to me and as we've noted um many times in our discussion on this bill and I think also just worth noting that in current law um you know we already have some additional carve outs um for criminal threatening about folks who try to interrupt the work of the Department of Children and Families and this is really it's about buying protection for individual folks but the additional language here is much broader than legislators and it really is about making sure that the work of state government of elections um can continue unimpeded and again it about really only comes into play when someone has met that very high bar of truth like a a true threat um as required in our in our underlying statute on what constitutes yeah I mean I agree with everything that's been said but also just want to point out that schools are suffering from having these kind of threats as well and this also has an enhancement when when a threat is targeting the school uh and I think that's really critical at this time as well so I mean it it's it's broader and it hits on some of those areas where we are seeing real threats uh and and having the enhancement for public servants uh when the threats are against somebody uh to keep them from following the law uh and and schools I think those are all very important enhancements uh for the DEL so I think yeah I think it's good yeah I mean for me this isn't something that uh you know this is this is more than just a hypothetical for me as well I mean the last two years ago when um Broughton High School uh was uh in the process of changing its mascot and my wife was president of the school board um after a vote to to retire the old mascot um she started to receive threats that were just I couldn't I can't repeat them here they're just so vulgar and vile and quite frankly misogynistic and it was really telling that my wife in her role is is board president she didn't vote she didn't argue in favor one way or the other she runs the meeting the the the man who made the motion to change the mascot never received any threats never received any correspondence about it the woman who was in charge of the meeting was threatened and harassed the point where my family had to buy a home security system and it really affects someone's ability to do their job as a public official um you know uh my wife is trying to to work on various various issues various ways to move Broughton City Public Schools forward but if she gets a request for uh interview with a reporter she's got to make certain she has someone there in case it's a setup um she has to think about where she parks we had someone just a couple weeks ago in the early morning hours uh shouting for vanity outside our house um you know my wife's an adult she can handle criticism people are more than entitled to disagree with her opinions um same with me in my role here but we shouldn't have to think about our votes and we shouldn't have to think about our public policy um and what the repercussions are every time our 10 year old daughter goes outside the play and this is really and for me it was really driven home watching the the harassment of my wife this isn't just about discontent this is about people who are unhappy that an entire segment of the population is has the ability to hold power this is someone who looked at my wife and said she does not belong there and through the harassment it sends a message that others like her do not belong there as well and will be treated the same and I know for a fact that when we were looking for candidates for a local office in the in the last in the past year there are people who are thoughtful who would have looked at issues fairly would have approached um local issues and and serving in a very diligent thoughtful manner and they just couldn't do it because of the threats because they felt unsafe because they thought it wouldn't be fair to their families so what we're doing here is something that's very specific um it to some degree it's not as though we are saying uh public officials deserve some some exalted status um but what we're saying is people should not be able to use the threat of violence to push entire categories of people who they do not like out of consideration for public office that that's what this bill protects that's the sort of thing that we need to achieve to make certain that anyone who has a desire to serve in Vermont feels comfortable to put themselves forward at any level and is this going to solve the problem to a T no of course not because these people are still out there and they're still going to be threatening but you start to hold people accountable and things begin to change I strongly support this bill thank you thank you yes so um I know we took testimony on it one day but I put in H203 which is basically a bill to um make criminal threatening a crime against state employees or or legislators and so I felt strongly about this I have watched a great colleague have to feel like she had no choice to keep herself in her family safe and not be in politics and it bothers me regularly that the society let that happen um the speaker has had horrible threats the mayor of Burlington has had horrible threats people in the secretary and state's office when I worked um in human services I we regularly had our staff who worked at dcf offices have to leave the offices because of bomb threats and other threats it's so rampant that um I'm proud that we are on the cost of passing this and I feel really strongly that um it's an important bill do you mind say one more thing I really appreciate these kinds that have made and I just kind of wanted to say one more thing this isn't this isn't going to solve I think the the non-criminal level verbal harassment that happens it's not going to solve a misogyny it's not going to solve other barriers to people running I don't want this to be seen as it fixing all of those issues but I think it fixes the most egregious of those issues with a high standard for what reaches that level I'm not saying you yell at me you're going to be charged as a criminal I'm saying if you reach the level of threatening that is in this statute that point I or my or anybody else that's that specified in this bill has an avenue redress I think there's a lot of really problematic things that are targeted towards certain groups that choose to try and run for office or participate in our local process more than others um and we could be here until December parsing those out um but I would rather not be but it solves the worst of the problems with a high standard and I think the rest is not something that has an immediate legislative solution yeah just really quickly I'm I'm really grateful for the work that went into this bill and I just see it as as a commitment to to strengthening preserving our social fabric and representative democracy honestly um so I'm excited to vote in favor of this yes we have to go so I would entertain a motion to find draft one point two of uh 265 favorable second I think you would leave up to the clerk who's talking that's color oh cobert yes donnelly yes oh slant no lalaun yes buffler yes ours no no yes rajelson yes christy yes madame chair yes um let's have it open for um and I think it's just store or something and we'll be in a quarter thanks great oh thanks yeah thank you