Today's episode of The Occupy Wall Street Show is brought to you by Mount Gox and ThankYouEconomyBook.com and MemoryDealers.com. Hey everybody, welcome back to The Occupy Wall Street Show. Today we have a special treat for you, the one and only Numero Uno journalist discovery of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Tim Poole is with me today. Welcome Tim. How's it going? Good, good, good. So you are with the media group called WeAreTheOther99.com. Yes. Right? Okay.  It's over 2 million. Over 2 million. Yeah. So you're like more famous than Oprah really at this point. Since she retired. No, but one day. But how many live viewers did you have at the peak of your stream? Simultaneous. The most we paid was $31,000. That was on Thursday. That's still amazing. And for the one broadcast, which was 12 hours, we had $750,000. So, you know, I don't know how you can break that down, divide it up and figure out what the average time someone spent on the show was. Okay. So Tim Pooleism would be, for those of you, for those of you who may not have heard of Tim, Tim has been an occupier from the very beginning and he started, you started live streaming, did you start live streaming right away? No. How did that happen? I was originally just filming with my phone, but I was working with Henry from the other 99 and we were trying to figure out a way that we could do some of the political theater media events. Like, he had an event called a conversation with the top 1%, where he would sit in a chair and welcome members of the 1% to debate, kind of like how we're sitting right now. And so I thought, what if we did a live feed of the event? Because people were crowding around and, you know, German news agency, French news agency, everyone really liked what he was doing. Is this happening down at the park? Yeah, yeah, at the west end of the park very early on. And then he missed that. Okay. And then he also did another bit called the death of the American dream, where he set up a crime scene and did a chalk outline and then actually showed people information, these cards about the crimes that were committed by these major banks. Wow. Like mortgage fraud, etc. And so we set up the live, the use stream mobile app because of the versatility just pointing the cell phone. Right. But then we had our first event really that we did was when Michael Moore came down and we got noticed because of it. Because I think it was MSNBC, they couldn't do a live broadcast of Michael Moore on Wall Street because their cables couldn't reach. And here I am walking next to him with my cell phone and I said, Michael, we're live right now through my cell phone. And so we got noticed a little bit because of that. And then just sort of where it went from there, I started slowly taking over narrating originally Henry had been the correspondent. And then what our original intention was to cover these special events or to fade away as the police action in the marches and the direct action from Occupy Wall Street picked up. So as time went on, it sort of evolved into me chasing the action with my cell phone narrating what was going on. And then we had a big event with the Oakland Solidarity March over 2,000 people simultaneous over 25,000 tuned in for that. And that was huge. Over 2,000 people were running through the streets for that action. And then obviously most people know about the eviction we hit. That was a big day. Yeah, the Tuesday. Over night and then the whole next day, right? Yeah, I didn't sleep for almost three days. Yeah. I was up for 21 hours doing assignments. I was up there with you. By the way, me and everyone else, by the way, this is a weird little story, but something happened that night. I went to bed. I was at home and I went to bed, but at four o'clock, and this doesn't happen to me, but at four o'clock in the morning, it was around four o'clock in the morning, all of a sudden I just like, boom, I woke up, like sat up out of a sound sleep. And I was like, why to wake?  But I reached for my phone. You know, whenever I wake up, I look at my phone and there's an email, an emergency alert from that organization. I forgot it was the one with a great big LED counter. Oh, Avaaz? Avaaz, that's right. It was an emergency email alert from Avaaz. And I read it and I'm like, oh my gosh. So I went and turned on the live stream. And that's when I saw everything happening. But it was like four o'clock in the morning by that time. But like they started at 1 a.m. And by then it was probably in midstream or almost over or something. That's when I tuned into your stream and then I didn't leave the house for the next 16 hours or something. I wanted to go down there, but I couldn't tear myself away from the stream. You're going to miss a half an hour if you leave. And all my friends are the same thing. So anyway, go ahead. From your perspective, like you weren't prepared for that. No, I just felt compelled. I said, this is history and I'm going to make sure I have the live feed going. But I guess what happened was with everyone being caught off guard. The main media teams from Occupy Wall Street, they didn't have their batteries charged. And so I was the only one going. And I was actually running on a partial charge. The volunteers showed up and things. People donated. You were hungry. You wanted fruit.   But then by then you already had plenty of it. I wanted to be there and volunteer to run and get you water and fruit and carry that backpack that you could barely lug around. Now you probably have more help than you need. The day was really crazy because of how everything fell into place. My battery was dying. And then Justin Weedus runs past me. And he's like, come on, I got a shot for you. And I said, I need a battery. And he's like, plug it into my computer. And then you were lugging around the computer for the rest of the day. Using it to keep the stream going. And then right as the phone's dying, a gentleman comes up to me and says, how can I help? And I said, I need a battery. And he went and bought me a battery. You went to J&R and bought your battery. And then sure enough... And it came half charged. Yeah, yeah. They come partially charged. But hey, it's better than nothing. Some other people from Occupy Unity went on the chat and said, we've ordered you another battery at J&R.  So my friend ran and grabbed it. And it was just really crazy how everything fell into place the way it did. How many batteries does your team have now? Three. One charged all the time? Yeah. So you have two charging and one in use? Yeah, yeah. Or one... You're using one extra and then one's always on the charger or something? Since Thursday, actually I would say since Tuesday, I haven't had to use more than one. On Thursday, I ran 12 and a half hours off of one external battery. And by the time the night was over, it still had, you know, out of four bars, it's like one bar. Do you have a system now that when you need an extra battery that you can get somebody to go bring it to you? Well, I just carry more than one battery with me. So more than one is enough? They're only, you know, they're pretty small. Do you have a second phone yet? Because I kept saying, Tim, get a second. We're going to give them a second phone so you can make a phone call without giving out your number in the air. I do have two phones now. Yeah, that was funny. I mean, it wasn't funny, but it was kind of funny. I thought it was funny. As soon as the stream went down, I was just... The second time you gave out your number, it was a little funny. But then, yeah, let's roll.  But then I thought it was really kind of fun to see you come out of the sprint store. Yay, they changed my number. That was great. It took five minutes. Yeah. I was hoping you'd figure that out. That's cool. So let's see. And then since then, all right, then we had the N17, which was a huge deal. But you thought that you lost the signal because there was just an oversaturation of cell service. But that wasn't really what the cause was, was it? Or was it both? No. There were other people complaining about their cells giving out. And someone was trying. I found someone else who had a smart phone and they said they would download the app and let me use their phone. They couldn't do it either. All right. So we were thinking, OK, maybe it's this network for this particular company. So we had someone on different networks trying. It didn't work either. But later found out it was a session issue. Server side had nothing to do with... I'm sure there was some congestion, but it was really just... So they were trying to log into your account or connect to your account? Yeah, yeah. So it was an issue with that. But it was an issue with our account. Once you figured out someone else was on Ustream and it was working fine, then you were like, wait a minute, it's not the carrier. It's your account with Ustream. So you troubleshot that with Ustream, probably, and figured it out. Yeah, it took us kind of a while because I had tried using someone else's other networks and it didn't work and I was kind of like, you know... What's going on here? And then once you got a hold of Ustream, how long did it take for them to sort it out? 10 minutes. Yeah. The first thing I should have done. Now you know, live and learn. Yeah. That's cool. So this is... Let's show your website. This is WeAreTheOther99.com. And this is your main website. Okay. Well, for We Are The Other 99. And this is Henry and you. And how many people are in this team? Well, there's Henry. There's me. There's Jesse LaGreca, known as the smartest man on Wall Street. Wilma Cloud and Alec. Okay. I don't know any of them. Except Henry. Yeah. We only know the people on camera, you know, of course. Yeah, yeah. Well, the guys behind the scenes are very, very important. Well, I mean, everyone knows Jesse. Yeah, Jesse, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's amazing. I saw him, you know, going on a message at Fox News. That was my second favorite. Prior to Tim Poole and all that, my first favorite scene I have to, like, kind of a guilty confession was seeing Geraldo be, you know, Fox News lies, Fox News lies chanted out of the park. Yeah. I'm just kind of like, I mean, I know, I know. I don't want to see anybody, you know, scorned or whatever, but it was a... I'd never seen that happen before. Fox News has to, you know, be accountable for... It's true. The reputation. They say horrible things. They exaggerate. They, you know... As if it's true. But that's mainstream media. That's why it's so important we have the OWS NYC on live stream or, you know, Dwayne's channel and Global Revolution doing everything they're doing because it's really funny to me that telling the truth and making attempts at objectivity are considered these amazing... Revolutionary. Yeah, exactly revolutionary. Oh my gosh. People are telling me, like, wow, you're doing a good thing. And I said, this is just normal journalism. Exactly. It's what journalism is supposed to be. It's like somebody in the elevator the other day saw I had a 99% shirt on or something and somebody said something about Occupy. And they're like, well, but what I don't understand is what exactly do they want? And we're in an elevator, you know, we're about to my floor. So I said, well, in a couple of words, they went freedom, liberty and democracy. And this is supposed to be a free country. All the things that we thought we had and we brainwashed to believe that this country was about, that's what they want, for real. And it's the same with journalism. What we want is journalism, like real journalism, for real.  Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and democracy. You know, politicians that are not bought and paid for years before they run. So, all right, let's switch back over here. Okay, so this is... we were in the other 99 and we have, obviously, your Twitter feed. So this is the one you tweet on most. Tim Cast? Yeah. Okay, Tim Cast. You can follow him there. And see, he's going to be on only one TV there. And now this is Tim Cast.TV. Yeah. This is a new site? Yeah, well, this is... it was redirecting to... A new incarnation. ...Occumentary.org. Oh, okay. But it's currently being built by someone who offered their services. Mm-hmm. I really appreciate that. To be the one present? Okay. Essentially, it's a small explanation of the project I'm working on right now. Which is the Accumentary? Yeah. Okay. We're just going to travel around, cover the other occupations, and make a live feed of everything that happens. Mm-hmm. And it says you've collected $11,785 towards donations. Yes. 47% of your goal, three days remaining. Can you extend that? Yes. Okay. Well, otherwise, we need another $12,000 in three days. So click this. Somebody with Tim Cast.com. Yeah. Bitcoin. You can take Bitcoin, too, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Is that on there? It's on the... If you click donate now, it'll show the... Over here? On WePay? So I don't know if people aren't going to be able to... Let's see. The best thing people can do is go to TimCast.tv, click the donation link, and then copy the... Oh, right. That's right there at the bottom. Okay. So if you follow that, see you're on TimCast.tv, right? And then click that great, big, huge, blue button, donate WePay. And then that's the donation page.  So send him Bitcoins. Everybody loves Bitcoins. Yeah. You know, we do the Bitcoin show, one of the other shows that we do here. Yeah, right on. So, all right. So that's cool. Are the Bitcoins... Have you received any Bitcoin donations? I have 33.785, I think. There you go. That's better than nothing. That's good. That's a start. Maybe we'll get more now because we have a lot of Bitcoin audience here. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay. And then Evil Twin Bookings Agency. So this is... They're booking you now for speaking engagements? Yeah, this just happened yesterday. Wow. So I was contacted by Scott Bybin, and he was asking me if I was interested in talking about just, you know, journalism, technology, social media, and stuff going to colleges. And I said, absolutely. They also represent the yes men. So that's really awesome for me because I'm a big fan of what they do. Amazing. And so yeah, this is for the spring semester, I guess. Wow. And yeah, if anyone's interested, it's eviltwinbooking.com, I think. Yeah. Yeah, eviltwinbooking.com, and then you're on the right-hand side. I love this picture of you. That's great. Yeah, yeah. This is classic with the umbrella.  That's why I was going to go down there.  I had all the things that you were saying you needed. Of course, I was way too late. Well... But I was like, I'm going to look for that black and white umbrella. That's how I'm going to find you. What's funny about the banana thing is that I didn't really mean I needed specifically a banana. I was just kind of making a reference to the lack of potassium and my hands were cramping. Right. So I actually bought a smoothie. But it was funny how many bananas showed up. Yeah. It's really awesome. What are you going to do? You have so many bananas. Well, it was great. I mean, the bananas were awesome. Yeah. You can always, you can always eat bananas. And then, okay, so this is our... Oh, this is something I wanted to talk about. This is on OnlyOneTV.com, of course, on our site. I don't think I told you this even. I created the... On that day. Did I tell you this or you found it? No, but I found it. You found it? Yeah. That's so funny. Because on the day that I was stuck at home watching you because I couldn't leave the house, okay, I was... I found myself flipping between all the live streams. And I was like, screw this. I need this on one page. And I'm like, wait, why don't I just make it on my own page? So I created this thing, Occupy Wall Street Live Coverage, right here on the top of OnlyOneTV. So you go to OnlyOneTV.com and click Occupy Wall Street Live Coverage. And it's got all the... I had like five or six streams on here at one time, but 10 pools right there on top. Yeah, of course. There it is. And the video right there is actually from the solidarity, the Egypt Solidarity Action that was last night. Last night. Cool. It automatically plays the most recent first and just scrolls through them. Yeah. Well, I can set it. So for a while, we had the Raymond Lewis interview. So for those who are not familiar, he's the retired Philadelphia police captain. Right. Yes, yes, yes. And he is a huge celebrity now. He's amazing. I always saw him on... What was he on? Keith Overton? Keith Overton, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, I also put on here Global Revolution. They're all playing Occupy NYC. Yeah. Some live. That's Duane's channel. OWS NYC. And I had... Looks like Spokes Council. Yeah. Look at that. Isn't that cool? So anyway, you know, you can just check here in one page and mute all the ones you're not listening to, it's Occupy Wall Street Live coverage. And then this is another thing. Well, let's see. Okay. This is something that people have been talking about a lot. And that is Occupy Wall Street having a list of demands. Okay. And what are their demands? Okay. So I'm like... I had this idea the other day when I was talking to somebody and I said, Google Moderator has a tool that they used inside Google where you could put a list of items and people could vote them up and down. So I decided to create this and also on Occupy Wall ST.org, there was a forum where somebody had a proposed list of demands. So I just copied and pasted the first eight and I created this. So if you go to... Only one TV... Wait, where is it? OnlyoneTV.com and then click here, OWS Demands. I made this link to this Google Moderator thing. So you can see I created it. Anyone can vote. Absolutely. Anybody can enter whatever demands that they would suggest and then you can click the first button here to submit an idea and then View Ideas will actually give you the list of ideas. So it puts a random one up at the top and then you vote Yes or No, whatever you believe or you can flag it as inappropriate if you think it's an appropriate one, right? And then it automatically, by default, it puts them in order of the ones that people have voted on most and so on. So again, back here... It hasn't been promoted very much but that's why I want to mention it today. 258 votes so far. So if it gets some traction, it could be interesting because it's not my demands or anybody else's. It's just everybody's demands. Anybody and everybody. I guess the 99%. If the 1% vote, they can vote too but hey, we got 90% of the people. Does it show percentage breakdown for Yes and No? Yeah, see right here. If you hover over the blue thing and it shows 24 like this idea, zero didn't like it. So that's the first idea, you know? Yeah, I mean, if you go further down the list, you can put them in a different order just by date, for example. And there's one. There's one said No and seven said Yes. So you can put them in different orders, popularity hot and so on. So the first one, the most popular one is basically to investigate and prosecute the Wall Street criminals, etc. Just kind of like a recurring theme and so on and so on. But it's interesting because like I say, you in the audience, you can go here, go to onlyonetv.com, click on OWS Demands and put in your own demands.  I'll go ahead. What's interesting about that is this is sort of, they did have a vote on what the demands should be before Occupy Wall Street started. But everyone sort of views, there's just almost an equal amount of people who see other problems as being more pertinent. So eventually, I don't know, I don't want to say this is absolutely true, but from what I understand is that you can't reach consensus when someone says the biggest problem is, you know, Glass-Steagall and someone else says, the biggest problem is fracking or something along the lines. Or we need to increase the minimum wage and you're not going to have a consensus on these political issues. So what I think started happening was people said, okay, and they started working together and building a community. That way, what I sort of noticed is that people came in to Occupy Wall Street with these huge problems. Tax the rich, Glass-Steagall, fracking was big or Troy Davis was big in the beginning and not really for Occupy Wall Street, but that was, a lot of people were talking about it. And those big problems, I should also include, I'm sorry if I left out the libertarians who were saying less taxes, less government intrusion, those big problems turned into, how do I stay dry? So instead of two people arguing over who to tax, they argued over where they're going to get umbrellas and how they're going to do it for each other. So it sort of brought people together. Managing the little village that was the park. Yeah, exactly. I saw that. And also, the direct democracy system of consensus and the GA and all that, which is fantastic for should we do this or should we not do this? Yes or no questions, it works great. But taking a list of 600 items and sorting them in order of priority, that's not quite as easy to do with a consensus. That's really... The happy hand. That's why, it's like the human mic. It's like, that's really cool. It's really cool. And it's so cool that you can do it without technology. But sometimes we have to use technology too. That's why I thought this is really cool because absolutely anybody can put in their ideas and it sorts them up and down. And by the way, I want to get very clear, this is not Tim's project. I created this as an experiment. It's an unofficial experiment just for the heck of it to see what comes out of this. And if enough people, if we get thousands of people putting in ideas and voting on it, maybe it'll come out with something useful. Maybe we'll come out with a top 20 and those top 20 ideas could be then used somewhere else to say, hey, let's vote on this or something. Who knows? I think you might need around 7 billion votes before people... That's another issue is how do we... There are people around the world who don't have access to this technology who deserve to be heard. So it's sort of... It's really hard to talk about demands. And that's pretty much why OWS has been... I don't want to speak on behalf of Occupy Wall Street, but from what I understood, demands have generally been shot down. Right. And also there's the question of... I mean, two different scopes of it too because there's Occupy Wall Street within the United States, which obviously involves the U.S. political system. And then there's the greater picture, the global solidarity and their global issues. So there are global issues, there are issues specifically inside of Egypt, specifically in the U.S., wherever, whatever. So yeah, it even gets more complex. But anyway, it's a good thing to start with, I thought. And when people... So I get viewers who send email and they say, yeah, but what... Maybe they're conservative, conservative, tea party, whatever. And they're like, yeah, but... I want smaller government, less government, this and that. And I'm like, well then, you're part of the 99% put in your demand and vote it up. It's not mutually exclusive. It's really... The 99% really does... is inclusive of pretty much everybody except the 1% that, you know, kind of... And it's really... It's not anti-capitalism. Everybody's talking about anti-capitalism. It's really not anti-capitalism. It's really... Thievery. Corruption. Corruption, thievery. In both government and corporations. That's right. But just corruption in general. That's right. Government, corporations. And of course, banks are corporations. And so are pharmaceuticals and corporate agriculture and all those things are global corporations. I have a funny story about what you just said. It was a few weeks in and I saw a young man who was just looking real pissed off. And he said, this is dumb. It's a waste of time. Why does he think so? And he gave me some reasons that if you want to change things, you got to do this, this and this. And so I said to him, you're right. You know what you should do? You should come down to the General Assembly tonight and tell them. And he was like, yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, that's right. I do the same thing. I do the exact same thing. They're like, you know, what they really should be protesting about is this and this and this. And I'm like, yeah, you should go down there and say that. And then, yeah, it works sometimes. Yeah, sometimes, right. But they have to get off their button and go down there and join in. And like I was saying, a lot of the things, even during the actual encampment, right, I would tell people, really, it's a lot bigger than just, you know, people coming because there's free food or whatever and all the things that happen down there in the encampment itself, protecting yourself from the weather. It's really like, I even said most of what's really happening is not really happening in the park. It's happening in the dozens and dozens and dozens of working groups that are happening so many of them that they have conflicting meetings and times and people are running around going from meeting to meeting, working groups and sub-working groups and so on, that that's where the real magic is happening. It's interesting to note, too, that since the eviction, the Occupy movement, it's still going. Yeah. And essentially what they did was, they, you know, they killed the body, but the spirit lives on. Right. And that's sort of, you know, the foundation for Occupy is so strong that there's no longer this occupation in Zuccotti. Yeah. The working groups still function. The spokes council still happens. More than ever, probably. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that. People are probably more comfortable and dry and dressed better and, you know, and more efficient.  They're trying to make a big deal about the east side of the park on the west side and the whatever this and that and trying to make complaints. You know, this actually, I think it's a good thing.  They're always attacking it about, oh, it's not clean. It's not sanitary. It's law breakers and all this nonsense. Well, now the park is, you know, back to its original state, except it's much more popular. And, but the movement, that was kind of like a birthing. I look at it as a birth. Yeah. It was a birth of the movement was there. But now it's, it's been born and it's growing. For the eviction, destruction of the library, horrible. And that makes me, Oh my gosh. I can't even, I'm holding back anger. I'm trying to keep cool because in the, 4,000 books or something like that. Over 4,000 books. And that's, I know I saw your stream of all about that. They were all destroyed. Where was that? Where they had that big table that you were streaming? That was at 260 Madison. It was a lawyer's office and they were holding a press conference. Wow. That's just sick. Let me just say I'm publicly holding back what I would really like to say. That was horrible. The destruction of the bike generators was ridiculous. Like there were, were so many good ideas that were being born in there that were taken away illegally. Personal property that was destroyed. I don't want to, you know, this is just a rumor, but puppies were killed. I know. I was just going to say that too. And that's sort of, you know, but if the books don't get you and the bike generator doesn't get to your heart, the puppies, Oh my gosh, nursing puppies inside of a tent just scooped up and crushed in a, in a garbage truck.  And I mean, is anybody trying to prosecute, you know, the city or at least sue them for this? It's just criminal. I have no idea. I mean, it's just destruction. It's book burning. It's just like book burning throughout history. The idea of taking this massive library, and I was down there. I don't know if you've seen pictures of it, but who was it that donated the tent? I don't know. I don't remember her name, but it was some famous rocker or whatever. Yeah. Donated this beautiful tent and they had all these shelves and they were all organized and indexed. Volunteer librarians came from all over the country, and it was this amazing library in a park. And just to see it destroyed for what? The reason they did the raid, the way they did, is that the last time they announced the raid, several thousand people showed up and said, no. Right.  We're going to wait and then we're going to take them by surprise. The middle of the night. Yep. So courageous of them. I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's amazing. And hopefully, evidently, it's very, very, it's just making it more popular because a few days later on November 17th, there were some tens of thousands. 30,000. Yeah. Right? 32,650 is what people are throwing around. Yeah. I don't know how the police helicopter actually counted 32,650, not 52. Well, that's why there's no 2. They do it by square feet. Oh really? That's like mathematically calculated. Yeah. 32,000 plus people. Unbelievable. But they'd have learned by now that whenever they take action, the police, it makes things worse for them. I mean, actually. It makes the movement grow. Yeah. It's worse for everybody because the police are the, you know, we essentially have peaceful protesters and then we have the government agencies who are choosing to be violent. Exactly. And it's really amazing that Occupy Wall Street resisted, I would, you know, extreme violence. We saw a black block in Oakland, but the protesters in the buildings against the black block, that was crazy, you know. It's sort of, someone told me that we have given all of the rights to violence to our government. Yeah. So anyone outside of a government agency that becomes violent is automatically illegitimate. Right. So we have to stand together, non-violently, and say, it's time for a change. To predict ourselves from the violence of the police state that it's become. And it doesn't matter. You know, I want to address talking about police state. You know, that phrase gets thrown around a lot. And I hear people saying, oh, we don't. It's not a police that you don't understand what that means. But I think it was for at least New York when Judge Lucy Billings issued the temporary restraining order on the NYPD. And they refused to adhere to it. It really blew my mind. That's a police state. That's the police overriding the courts, the justice system, absolutely ignoring it. And then the arrest of Donas Rodriguez, the city councilman. Yeah. More than once I heard. Yeah. Well, the second time, I think it was on purpose to arrest Donas Rodriguez illegally. And they grabbed him. 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But check them out. memorydealers.com and we appreciate their support. All right. So back to this. What were you going to say? You were about to say about, I forgot where we were. Yeah, me too. What were you talking about? Darn, because I was just going to go there. Well, we could actually play off what you were just talking about. Social media is an aspect in what some people are referring to as the global revolution. Right. With... How that's worked out.  Twitter or Facebook? Not entirely fair to say because the Arab Spring was a long time coming with all these countries and started with the emulation protest in Tunisia spread around and were it not for the technology such as... Right now we really rely on 4G for the live feeds because it's just the quality of the audio otherwise you're barely seeing anything. So with 4G phones and then we have Twitter, Facebook, there's a whole other slew of social media sites. And this, you know, near speed of light information exchange is allowing for essentially a global revolution to occur within the same year. Whereas, you know, 100 years ago you'd hear 3 months from now that something happened in Egypt and you'd say, huh, how about that? Yeah. You know. Like learning, like following light from a distant star from a distant galaxy. By the time you learn about it it's already over. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's amazing. Real time. It's a real time news. And also almost censorship proof. I heard a quote once about the internet views censorship as a flaw and routes around it which is kind of an analogy of, you know, how it does because when something is censored you can notice. Why is it censored? And they just bypass it so the government can shut down the internet. Well, yeah, we're being threatened now with a few of these big companies like Verizon, Google, going after net neutrality and now we have SOPA and protect IP. Yeah. So people are, you don't want to, I mean, I don't know if what they're trying to do can be done because people have the internet ingrained in them. Yeah. I know that if my internet's were taken away from me, I'd probably freak out. That's the thing, you know, but then again the police state, you know, if they make a law then somebody's going to try and enforce it and then it's going to be, oh no, what are we going to do? Start a whole new internet. Yeah. You know. Go to on Twitter, it's hashtag SOPA, right? Hashtag SOPA and read up about that and contact your representative right away.  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're voting on that right away too.  But I mean, hopefully we still hope if there's a massive, massive outcry, we don't know, but we can only hope. I mean, half of our representatives are well, it's only owned.  So, and if the big, if the big companies want it, then, you know, you just don't have a say. It's dollars, not votes. Well, money is speech. Yeah. So how much speech do you have? Yeah. That's why the internet is so important. The internet is our last bastion of free speech because you have a way to reach millions of people. Yes.  You know, you're competing with NBC, CBS, and ABC, which they own. Yeah. Well, that's interesting because I met an officer who he knew my name. He's like Tim Pool. And I was like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I keep up. I mean, honestly, they'd be fools not to. Yeah. They've got a camera walking around the occupation, giving out, you know, transparency all around. Sure. But it's a double-edged sword. And I like that. You know, if someone in the movement is doing something wrong, they get called out on it, and if an officer does something wrong, they get called out on it. Right. It's about real justice. Yeah. Real justice, real transparency, real journalism is what that is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, democracy as majority rules is scary because the 51% oppresses the 49. But that's why the General Assembly's consensus model, you know, it works to a degree. I mean, it's better to have everyone at least understand the decisions being made from what I've witnessed there. I've seen someone, you know, be unhappy with a proposal. But, you know, everyone essentially liked the proposal, and then he brought up his concern and someone addressed it and explained why they want to do what they want to do, and he said, okay, you know, I get it. Yeah.  So, you can gracefully say, okay. Yeah. So, I think the first model versus democracy, 51% oppresses the 49%. I'm not sure that I agree with that. And here's why. Because that assumes, real simply, that 51% is going to only look out for their own interest, and the 51% is absolutely going to have no human decency or respect to the 49%. And I don't necessarily agree with that. I mean, 1% of the people may be like that, like inhuman. But I think that 51% of the people are decent people. I mean, the majority of the 51% of the people are decent people who, like, just because there's a minority and a majority, like, whatever, pick a minority, could be any minority, right? Yeah. If, just because there's a majority of people who are type X and a minority of people who are type Y, I don't think, I think, I still think I don't believe that, in my opinion, I don't believe that 51% will necessarily oppress the 49%. So I don't think, I mean, it's great if you can get consensus on everything, but I don't think that you have to have consensus on everything. In fact, like, that's often a problem of getting things done. I agree. Because if you have to have consensus on everything, we can't even have a consensus of where to go to have lunch. Yeah. There needs to be respect for why does this officer tell me I can't stand on the sidewalk? Because someone told him he could? Because he has force behind him. That's not real authority. Right. But when a doctor says, put pressure on the wound, that's authority. Right. He's telling you to do it and he knows why you have to do it. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of... Yeah. Let's talk about the drones. Yeah. Tell me about that. You don't know much about it. He hinted about the drones earlier and I was like, tell me because I want to hear it fresh. What's this about drones? I mean, I don't know if drone is the appropriate word, but it's what everyone wants. I talk about military drones that we're using to assassinate people? No. No. Okay, let's get back there. I'm talking about about two-pound pieces of styrofoam. They're quadricopters. Yes. We had one in here. Oh, you do? Well, we don't now, but we did before. Okay. We're going to use those and they have two cameras mounted on them. Those are cool. One points down, one points forward. I'm Jack of all trades, so I can understand a lot of, you know, I'm not going to program anything and I understand enough to communicate, but I'm no expert. But I'm going to do a screen capture for the live broadcast and we're essentially going to have the acu-copter and it's essentially a toy. They sell them at Toys R Us in Walmart. Somebody donated these? Yes. Someone bought us a couple and another person donated so we could buy more. So come Monday, should it arrive early and we're going to start doing the trial runs and I'm going to have that on TimCast.tv hopefully. It'll be up by then. And after that, we actually have these, a few of my friends from the innovation community are working on building one from scratch. That's, you know, the original plan was to use GPS and set waypoints so it could travel around, but apparently that creates military regulation. So, whoa. No GPS is, if we're going to keep it as a toy, essentially a remote control helicopter, but we'll be able to get aerial shots as long as it doesn't go over 400 feet, there's no restrictions. Wow. Just remote control helicopter you control with your iPhone for the most part. That's amazing. But if you use a GPS on it, then it requires registration with the military? Yeah, well then it turns into a military vehicle. It's a weapon. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing. It's a surveillance, I guess. Yeah, yeah, but I figure. I mean, you can do it. You go to Toys R Us, pick one up, get one for the family. Amazing. Amazing. So, these Google cars that go by taking pictures of your house, now you're going to have drones taking pictures of you everywhere and who knows who owns it. Here's how I put it. It's that everyone's worried about Big Brother watching. Well, the truth is there's 150 million little brothers with cameras too watching Big Brother. We are the 99% we outnumber them. And public transparency. Yeah. And right now, we have the opposite of that. Right. We have government acting in secret, and we have intrusive cameras in our lives. What do you think about people stalking the people in power with cameras and really keeping an eye on them and who they're meeting with and what they're doing and exposing that? I mean, it's like I said, personal, privacy, public transparency. If their meetings, if their illegal meetings, I'm not going to get into the, you know, I don't want to say conspiracy, but I guess I have to, you know, for whatever those meetings are about, if they're making.  Exactly. The true word it's like 9-11 was, you know, the World Trade Center, was that a conspiracy? Of course it was. Two people deciding to do something is a conspiracy, so it didn't happen accidentally. It was a murder. The only question is who'd done it, right? The word is so misused, but yeah, but I know what you're saying, so go ahead. But yeah, I mean, if they're meeting to make public decisions, then they should be public. And wonder what else they're meeting about? I mean, what else would they be meeting about? Bingo? Who knows? I mean, that's the thing, you have to be pragmatic. There's not a question about are they meeting because there's video of them going in, right? There's videos of these world leaders they meet together, and you know, a lot of people say, oh, I mean, you can think that if you want, but for all you know, birds of a feather flock together and they want to talk about the new Katy Perry video that came out. I mean, more likely they're going to talk golf and, you know, other, you know. It could be that. It could be. It could be anything. I mean, I'm exaggerating here, but actually there are laws against public elected officials having secret meetings of state, but you know, yeah, so yeah. Well, thanks to the cameras, they're public, so. Yeah. I mean, what's the problem? Are they meeting to talk about policy? Or are they meeting to talk about how they like playing golf together and discuss who's the best in tennis right now? Right. You know, I mean. What can you do about it? You know, when the lawmakers and the politicians and the police themselves are breaking the laws, the bankers, the Wall Street, when they're breaking the laws, the people who have the power are breaking the laws. What are you going to do? You know, how are you going to prosecute the police officer? How are you going to prosecute the police officer? I have a personal demand. What's that? That if you want to be a congressman, a senator, the president, that you should get paid the, a similar rate to what armed service personnel get.   But if you're the 12th richest American, like Bloomberg, I heard, you know, what does he care? He doesn't need, he doesn't need any income anyway. You know what I mean? They come in with so much money to begin with.  Like, here, here's five grand, I just handed somebody. Would you feel guilty if you kept it? If I kept the money? If you had so much money and you didn't give it away, would you feel guilty? Yes. You would? Yeah. You'd feel guilty having more than the average person? I wouldn't say guilty. I would, I would feel, I'd feel bad. I, I mean, actually, I just, I don't understand if there's no way I could keep that much money. Oh, here's a good question. This is leading to another thought. Somebody tweeted to me, actually, I had this thought in the shower, I have these thoughts in the shower. But anyway, I had this, all of a sudden it hit me, this 90, it was like the early days, very, very early days of Occupy Wall Street, right? And the 99% was in my head, you know, 99%, 1%. And the statistic hit me, it was like, wait a minute, I remember this statistic I heard like two, three years before, that every American, the poorest Americans, everybody in the United States, even the illegal aliens, whatever, the poorest people, residents will say, in the United States, are in the 1% wealthiest human beings on the planet. Yeah. And all of a sudden it hit me like, wait a minute, we are the poorest Americans are the 1%. And so in the global perspective, the United States is the 1%, the whole entire thing. I thought, wow, isn't that interesting. And then later, I was having breakfast, and somebody tweeted a picture to me, and it was a photo, you might have seen it going around. But it had, it said 99%, and then it had these starving kids in Cambodia or somewhere in Africa. Yep. And then it had 1%, and there was an Occupy saying 99%, but it's really the 1%. And there is that too. So what do you have to say about that? There are a lot of people who subscribe to Occupy who are fighting for global justice. You know, people who oppose sweatshop labor and the exploitation of third world countries. Absolutely. That's a big issue. How would they feel about being reminded that they are in the 1% when you talk about global terms? I can't speak for everyone. You know, I don't know if everyone has this... You can't? No, I know, I know. I'm just teasing. People have the perspicacity. Of course not. But what I would say is, you're absolutely right. America is a very wealthy nation. We have a lot of privileges here, especially considering the fact we can protest without getting killed by snipers. Like in the Arab Spring, 32 people just died. Right. However, there are problems that need to be addressed. And when we have this huge disparity gap of the top 1% getting between 350 and 450 times what the workers make, that needs to be corrected. Even the most conservative conservatives agree with that, I think. That's the thing. There's so many issues that the conservatives agree with that people are trying to politicize and say it's the far right, it's these wacky people. But it's actually like almost 99% of Americans probably would agree with that. I think the root of the issue is corruption. Yeah. It's not... I see a lot of political cartoons come out that show the Tea Party fighting against big government and Occupy fighting against big corporations. It's almost the same thing. The same people own the corporations and the government. It's true. The thing I want to correct, though, is that you see people down at Occupy protesting government and that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to make Occupy look like it's left or right wing when it's really not. Exactly. When you've got their Tea Party years down there. A lot of people refuse to believe that people who used to subscribe to the Tea Party would actually join Occupy. You have to think about what Occupy... You have to go down and see for yourself. That's right. And also you really talk to people in the working groups. The real movement itself. The other thing is that I always remind people is that it's about that divide and conquer idea that if I can keep you fighting amongst yourselves then I can keep you in the dark about the real enemy. If the blue team is fighting with the red team and the red team is fighting with the blue team, the left is fighting with the right, back and forth, back and forth. The right blames the left and the left blames the right and you just keep fighting with yourselves. You won't look at who's really pulling the strings. It's kind of like this. Hey, check that out. And when you look, they reach for you. Like the magician. Don't look over here. There's a football. No offense to those who like football. Exactly. It's like the Coliseum of Rome. Dancing with the stars, American Idol, football, whatever, whatever. Two and a half men. Charlie Sheen. Look over here. Don't pay any attention to what we're doing over here as we're passing these bills. Let's give our baseball players a million-dollar year salary plus. Let's give actors $50 million to do a movie or whatever. And lay out school teachers and get more administrators instead. And then pay $40,000 a year of firefighters. Let's have record profits for the healthcare industry. And then give big bailouts to banks. Which then give themselves huge executive bonuses. And then ask the teachers to take a hit. Take one from the team. Was it the bailout of Chrysler? Was it the first big bailout? I don't know. Maybe you're too young to remember. Yeah. Because I'm sure there's big bailouts before that. You should be asking me because I'm older. But the first one that I remember was Chrysler. It was the big auto company bailout that, oh, it's too big to fail. It was just a big three. And if we lose one of the auto companies, what's going to happen? And I think that that was the spark of an idea. Like, whoa, too big to fail. That's a great idea. Let's plan this. Yeah. Let's use that. Have you seen Inside Job? I have not. But I kind of have to see it now. You have to. Because I'm, yeah. Yeah, you have to. I'll give you a copy. I'll send you a DVD. Everybody has to watch Inside Job. In fact, I think I saw it on Vimeo. If you go to Vimeo and do a search, I'm pretty sure I saw it there. I've seen Wall Street with Shia LaBeouf. Is that similar? I don't know. I'm just kidding. Oh, that's, oh, that's, okay, no, no, no. That's the title. Yeah, fiction, right, right, right. Well, this is a movie, but it's a documentary. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. It's amazing. It's really, really good. You have to watch it actually over and over and over because it's so much information and so factual. Well, there was a guy who donated gloves to me on the 17th. Oh, I brought you gloves. That was in my care package, too. Well, yeah. Fingerless gloves. He bought me fingerless gloves. He was actually interviewed for Inside Job. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, he was in it then. Well, I don't know if he was in it. Oh, he was interviewed for it. Wow, cool. That's an amazing movie. You've got to watch it. Oh my God, remind me. Give him a diss. I will watch it tonight. Or just go to Vimeo and do a search for Inside Job. You'll see it. It's an hour. Netflix? No, I tried. It's not on Netflix. Oh, really? I don't know why. Vimeo, whatever. But anyhow, it's amazing. I mean, everybody should see that. And they'll all be down in the Occupy movement as soon as they watch that thing and go, oh my gosh, Iceland. Oh my gosh. I'm surprised people aren't talking about Iceland. Oh, I know. I know. More and more. I think they need to see this Inside Job. You really need to see it. Let's get rid of the banks and just have our own revolution. And they did it. Yeah, they did it. I know. Totally. We're going to have a Bitcoin conference in Iceland. Oh, that's awesome. Well, we have to do this again. Oh my gosh. And you're going to do a tour, right? You're going to do a tour of Occupy? Are you still doing that? That's Occumentary. Yeah, so we're going to do, hopefully, with Jesse LaGreka myself and a few others. We will travel around. Jesse, by the way, for those of you who don't know, Jesse LaGreka is the guy that just pooned Fox News. He's got the union hit. Yeah. And Fox News never aired the video between knowledge, but it's all over YouTube. Yeah, yeah.  Go ahead. Yes, that's the plan. But things are starting to get, starting to get crazy. We can't control what's happening. So I'm going to try and get on this as soon as possible. Okay. Due to the massive evictions we're seeing around the country, you might have to fly instead of drive. But it's stuff I'm working out. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. You can fly. Yeah. More efficient. Maybe we'll get some miles, maybe flying miles, donate or something. And Virgin Atlantic and you can plug in your, charge your batteries on the way. Really? Yeah. You have electricity and Wi-Fi free. Oh, nice. Yeah. It's the future. Yeah. All right. Well, let's do it again. Thanks so much, Tim. Yeah, no problem. Appreciate it. What you're doing, everything you're doing. Thank you. Thanks, guys. And we will see you next time on the Occupy Wall Street show.


Congratulations Madan. Thank you sir for securing 195 rank in the civil service examination of 2021 and also you secured this 195th rank in the first attempt itself. What is the success for that one? Sir I'm actually feeling very happy. Success is I think I did not focus on that part sir that is the result part. I was just focusing on the process sir. Like my MS Dhoni always says it is the process that has both fruits here sir. It has come positive for me. Okay so Dhoni is one of her inspiration also in the civil service examination. Definitely sir. Okay so whenever Dhoni comes too bad and used to hit a six like that you heated six in the first attempt itself and getting a secure birth in the civil service examination. Yes sir I feel quite privileged and lucky to be selected sir.  Yes sir. So doctor profession is considered to be a very noble one. Even during the time of nobody's in the covid doctors have considered to be as a next to the god. But why you are choosing civil service as a career instead of doctor profession. Sir definitely sir that is the question I get wherever I go especially in the before the interview board. Sir I think it is a tough decision to make sir. I wanted to become a civil servant since my school days. I have to bear this sir. I have to endure this and not going before the society and serving the people and instead choosing to prepare. So it is a tough decision. But ultimately sir I think this service will help me in exploring my potential to the fullest limit. So I prefer civil services over medical services. Having said that I think the knowledge which I have gathered from medical centers will be definitely useful in civil services. Okay so doctor to become a collector. Sir I think I will get into a land into an IPS. Okay so we can say that doctor to become a police officer. Definitely sir. Okay so it is going to be a challenging one. Definitely sir. Okay Madan sure you are successful journey in the civil service with synchronization. Yes sir. Sir I actually came say I was completely unaware and lost when I reached Chennai. Okay. I actually after finishing my internship I came to Sankarayas academy sir. Okay. Entire team of Sankarayas starting from the faculty to all the coordinators. They were very helpful to me sir. Okay. And actually I entered the academy as a child with the curiosity sir. Because here in our classroom as you know we can we can ask any doubt. No one gets irritated. There was complete freedom to express ourselves express our ignorance and also our curiosity. Okay. Just the entire team was very friendly sir. Okay. I was I was associated with Sankarayas right from the prelims preparation actually pre-fit was the test series. I used to solve daily 50 questions sir in pre-fit that I feel that it is very helpful than reading books during the last time of preparation. And I also also a part of mainstreaming test series interview guidance program. The entire journey of UPSE to some extent was associated with Sankarayas. Sankarayas played vital role sir. Okay. See Madan how the GSPCM program is helpful for you because you belong to the 2019 batch weekend student of Sankarayas academy. How it was helpful for you? Sir most aspirants start this journey as I said they will be feeling like lost in the sea sir.  It gives a moral booster. It will be having friends those who are associated with this journey. That is actually a quite great thing sir. Prelims come means it enlightens us about the syllabus and it directs us towards the right path. Okay. Instead of getting lost or losing the direction it directs us towards the process. Okay. See then how the mains program is helpful for you? Yes regarding mainstreaming or yeah mainstreaming test series I think sir I gave mainstreaming only in Sankarayas academy. Okay. I think the syllabus was charted for voyages who are the first time givers and who have already given mains the second or third attempt like on. It was very helpful sir because there were sectional tests. Those tests I think it helped me to deal the topics in detail. Okay. In detail and it paid off sir especially essay test series and the evaluation especially was on time sir. Okay. That I find it was very helpful. Okay. I got the evaluated papers on just three days after the test. Okay. That is actually on time evaluation with I think the feedback was also quite constructive. Okay. It was not dejecting. It was motivating for me to improve more. Okay. So how are the feedback sessions? Yes the key especially the key they were very perfect sir. In last I think two three weeks I used to just revise the key. Okay. That is that will be sufficient. Okay. And as I said previously the faculty were their feedbacks were quite constructive. Okay. They were not dejecting. They used to encourage me. Okay. But still they will award me average marks. Okay. But that keeps an aspirant to improve more. Improve more. Yes. It motivates you. Definitely it motivates you. It motivates the candidates to get more and more marks. That will help them to get into the clear the mainstreaming and also the main examination. Definitely sir. In the service. Yes sir. Sir I would like to add one thing sir. Initially I felt that slightly demotivating. But the thing is if you become complacent with the marks I think it might not have helped me. Okay. The constant pursuit to improve I think it helped me this time. Okay. So the continuous refining of a person will help you to clear the main examination. Definitely sir. So that will say mainstreaming helped me a lot for you. Definitely sir. Okay. Okay.  Tell me your geography journey in Shankar Aizhakar. Yes sir. I actually came with the mind that is social changes. I wanted to take social changes as an optional. I was very clear in that. But I had a slight oscillation between geography and history. I watched the orientation class by Gautam sir. Once I watched that I fixated my mind. This is my optional. I am going to give geography as an optional sir. Okay. As I said Gautam sir and also Karthikeyan sir. Actually Karthikeyan sir I used to call him as my elder brother. Okay. Both of them are like my brothers sir. They took care of me in the entire process like their younger brother. Okay. They were very helpful. I used to call them any time. They were very helpful. They gave me very constructive feedback. Okay. My mark was actually 276 sir. Okay. More than myself they were very happy for me. Okay. They were gem teachers sir. Okay. So how the optional geography optional test series will help you for securing the marks? How you improve your marks? Yes sir. Sir as I said the Karthikeyan sir feedback will be blunt sir. He wants me to be constantly improving. Not giving fake comments or not giving false statements. He used to be straightforward with me and I used to take that in the right sense sir regarding presentation. Okay. He was very strict with me. He wanted me to improve the percent hand rating. Okay. I just worked on that in the last two papers. I hope that would have made a 5 to 10 mark difference. Okay. Definitely working on hand rating after this insisting. And another valid point I would like to share is he advices me to practice writing outside before entering the exam hall. Okay. I used to just scribble sir. Okay. At least the syllabus. Okay. That I think is very helpful because from the moment the bell strikes our speed will be we will be able to catch that speed sir. Okay. If I had not done that I think I would have missed a 10 marker or 15 marker sir. Okay. Your rank would be somewhat definitely 300 or something else. Yes sir. As you know sir 5 marks would make a difference of 20 ranks. Yes. Definitely in the syllabus examination. One mark plays a crucial role. Definitely sir. 5 marks would be a huge difference. Huge difference sir. Okay. So personal rapport with the faculty with respect to the optional and their advice and the feedback helps you a lot to improve the marks. Yes sir. Okay. Tell me what how you benefited out of the interview program in Yes sir. Sir actually the interview program was structured in a perfect way to help candidates like me who are the first time. Okay. Right from starting from DAF profiling. In DAF profiling we used to start from the name, the meaning of our name. Yes. I remember you asking me the meaning of my name about myself. Okay. And there were also one-on-one sessions sir. That was also quite constrictive and we also had topic-based sessions. Okay. Where entire team was engaged. I remember every staff from Shankara IS teaching their core topics. Okay. I think it helped me to reduce the anxiety. Okay. For the first time. Okay. Okay. So what about the mock into sessions here in Shankara IS? Yes sir. I actually gave two mocks one in Chennai and one in Delhi sir. Okay. The one in Chennai I had it was not that good means I performed a bit low but they encouraged me a lot. But in Delhi I think it was the last mock that I gave before going to the interview. Okay. I received a completely positive feedback. Okay. That actually boosted my confidence sir. Okay. Madan tell me what is the success as a first time first attempt to candidate you have success in the schools of examination and also you get one of the 195th rank. What is the strategy with respect to the problems? Sir, problems I think mug-uping is not associated. Usually candidates used to mug-up facts. Okay. UPSC is very clear that it will not work. I view every question as a concept sir. When we are thorough with concepts and we know what the question is demanding we have to find that logical or rational inconsistency sir. In every question there will be something here. I think rather than finding the correct answer we used to find the flaw in the question or the options. When a candidate is able to find that flaw that will come only with the conceptual clarity. Okay. Then it's a cakewalk sir. Okay. And also candidates should not ignore a C-set. C-set is nowadays becoming very tough. Yes. Yes. C-set. What is your advice for aspirants regarding the C-set? Don't take it very lightly it can stop. Okay. On C-PAC dream especially even engineering candidates. Okay. They are failing in C-set. Okay. Practicing questions sir. Okay. That would suffice. So practice makes perfect. Definitely. So that's with respect to C-set. Practice makes them to clear the C-set. Yes sir. To reach their target level in the C-set. Okay. What's your strategy for the main examination that is main strong? Yes sir. Sir means I think before writing starting writing starting to write answers I think there should be some conceptual clarity in wide aspects. Okay. Because after reading the subjects at least multiple subjects only we can able to give multiple dimensions in our answer. So I think after one two to three months of reading one should start writing answers in the home itself sir. Self-evaluate answers. Okay. That is saying sir that the best answer we write is would be found on the 300th paper. Okay. 300th or 200th paper. Okay. Okay. Those 200 papers we should we should be writing sir. If we don't write those 200 papers that would be very bad. We used to get rejected. That is all part of the process sir. Only thing is to start writing after two to three months of preparation sir. Okay. So why I am asking this means many experienced candidate in the main examination not able to complete the paper. But as a first attempt to candidate how you completed the paper and came out successful in the 195th rank. That is what approaching the all four papers of general studies. Yes sir. Sir I think a candidate should not get emotionally attached to any questions sir. For example I used to get attached to geographic questions even in GS papers when I see I would it will touch me it will hurt my ego if I am not able to give the best the best answer. Okay. After one or two mock test in Shankara yes I came to realize that that will not work. Okay. Giving I should come finish the paper if I am not going to finish a single paper and I said to myself I will not be in the list. Okay. So whether whatever the optional may be you have to approach the general studies paper in a general studies way. Yes sir. You may be a geography optional or you may be a political science optional you may be a public administration option etc like that. We should not be emotionally attached to it. Sweared by the questions which belong to our optional. Okay. Yes. Okay. So what is your suggestion for the future aspirants regarding the civil service in the preparation. Sir I think there is a quote from Nawal Ravi Khan sir. Okay. Read what you love until you love to read sir. First we should start reading sir we should start reading and also I think when we compare general studies I think most candidates are understanding concepts and are quite strong. Okay. But they are neglecting essay ethics and optional sir. Okay. Actually the difference between a successful candidate and one who doesn't succeed is these three things which I said essay ethics and optional. Even after repeatedly having discussion with my friends they are not focusing on essay part sir. They should view essay as a separate paper. It has 250 marks. Reading G.S. and reproducing answers in essay will not fetch good marks. Difference can be made only in these aspects. Okay. Essay ethics and optional. How will you approach the essays. Yes sir. I daily I used to spend a dedicated time to essay and ethics sir. Right from newspapers. From newspapers I take notes only for essay and ethics not for general studies because it is what we do year long. Every candidate reads fetches content for general studies. Okay. That everyone does sir. To crack this one needs to focus on completely. Focus completely or I would say disproportionately towards essay and ethics. I think that would make a great difference. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you Madan. Thank you for your true and also we all the best for your successful career in the civil service examination. Thank you very much. Thank you so much sir.