They want me to stream Classic at BlizzCon. Me, Guzoo, Sarth, and Fandy.  So I don't know what that means, but I do know that WoW is back, baby! WoW is back! WoW is back, baby! I am like 99% sure there's gonna be a new fresh, right, because they've mentioned that there's gonna be a new fresh at some point. I don't know anything other than that. All I gotta say is this, yesterday we put on the biggest tournament, the biggest event in the history of WoW, 300,000 viewers, and it was Classic. I think we opened some eyes yesterday, and I think if Blizzard is smart, then I do think they will capitalize on it. I mean, I'm sure they already know. I really, really hope that they continue to push, because here's the thing, you know that 300,000 viewers? You know what it came from? You took Vanilla WoW, and you changed it a little bit. If you die, your character is deleted. If you type slash Mott Garaw, you know what they did? They went to the code, Hackermans, they went to the code, and they changed the code that said, when you die in a duel instead of a one, they change your health to zero. The minimum health is a zero instead of one, right? Just like, that little change, that whole tournament was based off that one little change, you know, right? That one little change allowed that massive, massive, massive event. Let's talk about predictions for WoW Classic, for WoW, for BlizzCon, the big news. Everybody keeps talking about it. Even I can't, I feel like I'm somebody who's very grounded in my expectations, and even I can't stop thinking about Classic Plus, because I keep telling myself, for them to do a Classic Plus, they've said in the past that they don't wanna run two MMOs, they basically don't wanna run Classic as like its own separate thing. But the problem is, Classic has been so overwhelmingly successful. OTK, we put on the biggest tournament, the biggest event, as far as I know, in WoW history, right? As far as like a planned tournament type of thing goes. I think if Blizzard is smart, like we gotta go and be like, yo, hey, look at this, WoW section, 300K viewers, Blizzard, capitalize on this. People want to play, dude. People, you know what, somebody sent me, look at this, I'm gonna show you guys this comment. Somebody sent me this, this right here, this is probably the best, biggest compliment that you could possibly get. Somebody posted this. This was my first time watching a stream on Twitch, it was hella entertaining, made me download the WoW client to try hardcore, and I haven't played in over a decade. Yeah, that's not my... Over a decade, and I've never watched a stream on Twitch and it made me play the game a decade. Does anybody know how long that is? No, seriously, how long is that? I have no idea. I'm just kidding.  There's no way that's true. Joking aside, if you're that person, check your PayPal. And two, this is like a massive opportunity for Blizzard, man. Like, you saw when you have something as big as this, that's vanilla. The number one thing I think we're gonna get is the classic plus con, new classic fresh announced. Either season of mastery two or, or classic plus. That's the, I think it's like, I think it's all but guaranteed at this point. It's the only, like you saw the streamer schedule. So on Friday, November 3rd, from one PM PDT, three PM PDT, so three to five, Texas time, three to five. This is the only group, the only streaming slot that we have with people from the dev team. It's a huge flag to me. Number two, the classic panel, day one schedule, the doors open, opening ceremonies at 10 AM, or 11 AM, doors open at 10, opening ceremony at 11. And then, while what's next at 1.30, while classic what's next at 3.30. So this is, we are gonna see this panel after this streaming slot. So this is how my stream is gonna go.   The fact that we have people on the dev team with me and Sauroth and Guzu, because we're primarily classic guys, I really feel like there's going to be something that we get with classic special, right? I think it's kind of like a no-brainer. Now they did announce in the past that there will be a new fresh, and they'd said that it's not necessarily going to be a season of mastery too. They're not gonna call it season of mastery. They're not gonna say what it is. They're probably gonna ask what you want and then announce it, no. But I think we're gonna get the first look. New retail expansion. I'm not a huge retail guy, but that'll be interesting. I mean, this is basically like the WoW BlizzCon. Like it's gonna be all WoW stuff. What are they doing with current classic Wrath? That's what I want to hear. I think they actually are gonna give us Cataclysm. Overwatch three, yeah guys, we're gonna get Overwatch three as well. Yeah, and Diablo five. I think they are gonna give us Cataclysm. And I think that there's, I'll tell you straight up. Cataclysm is one of my hard quit WoW. I quit in Wrath and then I came back at the end and then quit again. I was like, yeah, I'll play it again someday. Cataclysm, whenever I quit, I was like, no, I'm out. This is not WoW. Like why am I choosing my spec? I don't like the class design. I know a lot of other people really liked it. That was just like the point for me that it was like I'm not playing a Paladin anymore. I don't feel like I'm playing a Paladin. But there are a lot of people, dude. Why can rogues heal?  Rogue recuperate was the most broken thing, dude. Anyway, there's a lot of people that will really like Cataclysm. And for all the things that I don't like about Cataclysm, the leveling in Cataclysm was really fun. And a lot of people really liked the Raid design in Cataclysm. Like from that front, those are things that I didn't do. But other people really, really, really loved Cataclysm at the beginning with the Raiding and everything. Cataclysm isn't really classic anymore. I would agree, but I would not be surprised to see, because here's the thing. Let's say they do a season of mastery to quote classic plus whatever, what happens to classic Wrath? Are they gonna leave it in Wrath forever? Because that doesn't mean, that doesn't make sense. If you were gonna leave it at one expansion forever, you probably would have left it at Burning Crusade. Right? It only makes sense for them to shut it down. I don't know. Like, because think about it, for years, there was like, for years, there was me, there was you, there was all these other people that wanted Vanilla WoW so bad and we didn't have it.   Nobody wants to play Vanilla. Why would you wanna go back? We've already done that. Even though I might not like Cataclysm, and even though you might not like Cataclysm, we are, what, four or five more years removed from whenever classic Vanilla was announced. Actually, almost six years, it was 2017. So it's been that many more years since Cataclysm. In fact, I think it's been longer, it has been longer, now, the distance in time or the difference in time from now to whenever Cataclysm came out is now longer than the difference in time to whenever classic WoW, Vanilla WoW was announced, like WoW Classic was announced, to OG Vanilla. By one year, am I right? It's either one year or it was the same. No, is it not? When did Cataclysm out? Was it 2009 or 2010? 2010, so think about it. It's been six years since WoW Classic was announced. WoW Classic was announced in 2017. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah, WoW Classic was announced, yeah. So six years, it was announced 2018, wasn't it? No, no, it was announced 2017. So it's the same amount of time, that's six years. And then Cataclysm came out six years later than original, except it released in 2019. Yeah, I'm talking about the announcement, right? I'm talking about the announcement and how excited we were and whenever they finally said, hey, we're gonna do this. My point is, I'm losing some of you guys because numbers and counting is too hard for some people. I'm sorry, but there's people out there that did like Cataclysm and I do think there's people out there that will keep playing into Cataclysm, right? There are people that are gonna keep playing into Cataclysm and I feel like it's very easy for them to go from wrath to Cataclysm because they said whenever they were building vanilla, they were trying to go back chronologically to where they could easily go on to the next expansion. Now, I do think there isn't a following with Cataclysm if there wasn't vanilla, but what I'm saying is I think they're still gonna provide this. I think, do you guys think they're not gonna provide this? I actually do think they are gonna provide this because I think this is easy for them. I think this is like something they can just snap their fingers essentially compared to doing anything else and being like, yeah, okay, we're moving on to Cataclysm because the cost benefit is too good. I think that it's gonna be very easy for them to move on to Cataclysm compared to doing anything like a Classic Plus so that it just keeps subs going. But who wants that? I don't and you don't, but tons of people out there do. There are people out there that like Cataclysm. So I expect them to say, because what are they gonna do with RAV? RAV Plus. Now, I'm gonna be honest. If Classic Plus, if they don't do this and Classic Plus is based off of Rathalish King, I'm going to be sorely disappointed. I personally will be very disappointed and I don't think they will do it. I do think they'll lose the community on that one. I think a lot of people will not feel good about that. Logistically, logistically, it kind of makes sense. But as far as like from a design perspective and what people want, I think it does not make sense. I think people will not want that. I think what needs to happen, I mean, I've said this before and I think, who was it, Asman? I think Asman also was saying the same thing. I would love if they did a TBC Plus. If they expanded on the game after Burning Crusade, that's what I would love. But I think I'm in the minority. I don't know if a lot of people would like that. I know I would like that, I know Asman would like that. But I think people really want to have, I think people really want to have a vanilla Classic Plus and I think they want to see expanded content off of that. Now, I've talked about this before. I've talked about what I want to see specifically. Something I want to see specifically with Classic Plus. What do I want in Classic Plus? Actually, no, let's start here. What is Classic Plus? Because I keep seeing people ask that, what is Classic Plus? So the idea behind Classic Plus, because people keep asking, and I know a lot of people are, oh, we already know, we already know.  Stop, there's tons of people that don't know, okay?   There's a ton of people that I have no, because I keep seeing it in chat. Okay, so the idea behind Classic Plus is it's just like vanilla wow, but just like pumped full of microtransactions, okay? And everybody's buying gold and buying gear, it's gonna be great, I'm just kidding. Okay, the idea. No, the idea behind Classic Plus is essentially taking vanilla wow, taking what vanilla wow is and expanding on it in a way that gets to use the entirety of the world and really clean up the current content of the game. So if you look at this map, if you look at the world map, there's zones here that are like not really utilized all the way. They're not really utilized well. I mean, they're not even accessible, right? The big one is Hygel. Hygel is the one that everybody always talks about, right? Hello, mouse? You're just hurtle. Dude, why is my mouse scratchy? Why is my mouse scratchy? You guys ever get that? If you have a hard mouse pad, you feel like scratching on your mouse? Okay, that was weird. Anyway, so, sorry, back, wipe. Okay, don't wipe, never wipe. Okay, you have Hygel, right? Hygel for one. Everybody always talks about Hygel. You know, this is a zone that you can actually sneak into. People have seen videos of people sneaking into Hygel. All this whole map is like in the game, but you can't even click on it, right? You can find a way to sneak into it. There's even a place.  So if you make it all the way through all those level 60 elites and you see it, there's a construction sign, right? Kind of funny. And jeez, I'll get to that. Jeez, I'll get to that in a second. Feel like I can put Hygel in the game. Find a way to utilize Hygel as content. You have like the Twilight Highlands, right? Outside of Grim Batol. I mean, this is kind of a bad character to show this on, because you guys can't see any of them.  This is my classic character. I copied him over as like a little like trophy. Look, some people already get into my point, right? But relax. Let me finish, let me finish. Let me cook, let me cook. Okay. So another one is like Grim Batol, right? You have Grim Batol here, which is like the, this is like the home of the wild hammer dwarves. They got pushed out of the wetlands or out of Grim Batol up north into the hinterlands in Erie Peak, right? And they have a little wild hammer dwarf area. So this is where some of them are. And then I was doing a little bit of lore check before, but some of them went this way and they went into the twilight highlands. So there's this strip of land here that you can't even click on either. Well, there's a whole strip of land to the east of the wetlands and Lachmadan over the mountains that is, I mean, it's inaccessible, right? Like in the normal gameplay, it's inaccessible. There's nothing really there. That's another place, right? That's another place that you've got.   Here. When you're over here and you go to do all the quests around Oldhaman, right? When you go to do all the quests around Oldhaman, right here in the Badlands, just south of Lachmadan, there's a whole quest chain that leads you to Oldham and it talks about like the history of the dwarves and the earthen and where they all came from. This is a whole area that is like, they've planned for this. This was in the game originally, right? In the game originally. Caverns of Time is put in and Burning Crusade. Karazhan is put in in Wrath, right? Karazhan, excuse me, in Karazhan as well. Frick in Burning Crusade as well. Words, brain. So when you go here, let's go to Duskwood and then you keep going from Duskwood into Deadwind Pass. You go to Karazhan. Karazhan is the level 70, the first raid at level 70, right? And then behind Karazhan, there's a whole Karazhan Crips area, right? That, again, is inaccessible through normal means. So what I'm saying here is there's all this area in the game, you know, you go to Silverpine Forest and then right here is the Greymane Wall and behind the Greymane Wall is Silver, or excuse me, is Gilneas, which is the home of the Worgen. So there's one common theme here, right? There's all this stuff, right? There's all this stuff. You can even go here into the night or into the blood off starting area, all this stuff. Now there's all these places, all these things that I've mentioned, right? There's a common theme here. So whenever they revamped the world in Cata, they went and they added, they went and they added a whole bunch of this stuff, right? So really a lot of what people ask for in Classic Plus are things that they added in Cataclysm, but they don't wanna play Cataclysm. They want to go play it. They want to go play it. They wanna go play Vanilla with Vanilla Class Design, Vanilla Mechanics, all that stuff, but they wanna go play those new zones and stuff that were added in later expansions. Not all of them. All those things were not added in later expansions. Some of them were added in Burning Crusades, some of them were added in Cataclysm, but that's what people want. So it's kind of funny, right?  Which, the point being is there's all this area, right? There's all this area on the map that is inaccessible, that is in the game from 2004, right? Maybe not directly in 2004, but from the OG version of the game, 2004 to 2006, that got added in like 2010, 2009, you know, 2007, like years later. Is the list of all the unfinished content in Classic? Yeah, literally. So this map marks with red zones everywhere. Well, I think this is kind of inaccurate, right? Because isn't this just supposed to be AQ 40? I think this is supposed to be AQ, mostly. But you can expand on a lot of this stuff, right? Hello, there we go. Yeah, the map looks weird, but that's really supposed to be AQ, right? AQ and then Oldham here, maybe, yeah. Anyway, right? Point being is there is room for a lot, like a lot of room physically for a lot of areas to be expanded upon in Vanilla WoW. Now, here's what I want to see.  That's the plan, I may... So anyway, what I'm trying to say is there's room for a lot of development in Vanilla WoW, and I think what people really want is they wanna go play all those zones with Vanilla Mechanics, with Vanilla Class Design, and maybe just maybe a few small changes here and there. Maybe they... I personally want them, I'm like Vanilla Brain, nitty gritty, that's how I think. I want them to fix some of the talents, like reckoning is kind of broken. I want them to fix some pallet and stuff. I want them to do some things under the hood that might help hybrids a little bit to help kind of bring some of the other classes that... I think the class balance in Vanilla is a lot better than people think it is, but in PVE, it's pretty egregiously bad. Yeah, PVE, did I say PVE the first? In PVE, it's pretty egregiously bad, but in PVE, it's a lot better than people think it is, and it's also a lot better than people think it is when it comes to the scope of what all a class can do, because this game is not designed around what different specs do, it's designed around what different classes do. However, the way that the player community has kind of gotten over the years, you min max and you really specialize on like, this person is good as this, this person is good at that, right? So it's the idea around how Paladins essentially in OG Vanilla became kind of relegated to being healers. There wasn't enough healers, Paladins had strong healing ability. They didn't really have a lot of healing gear at first, but by the end of Vanilla, all their tier sets, or their main tier set was like all focused on healing. So I speak from the perspective of Paladin a lot, because it's easy to make those analogies really quickly, right? But you can talk about something like a druid in the same sense. Feral druids in OG Vanilla, people thought they were not good tanks, actually phenomenal. Feral druids are phenomenal tanks in Vanilla, but they don't have gear that's good for them. Prop Paladins are actually pretty decent tanks. They're not amazing, but they're decent tanks and they don't really have a lot of gear that's good for them. Now what if you gave Paladins a taunt? What if there was a new set of gear that was in the game? What if there was a tier 3.5 that wasn't really that much stronger than the next set, but it was like a Paladin, Prop Paladin set? What if it was a Feral Druid set, leather with defense gear? What if you did these things and some of the added content that you brought in wasn't really the item level, the actual power of the gear wasn't a lot higher, but it gave you more build variety and it allowed you to do things, do different things with your class that isn't necessarily like what's considered the meta-spec all the time, you know? That's what I would like to see. That's what I would like to see. I don't want them to add new content, add content under the top of WoW and then increase the power creep even more that's just spiking in power and it's just, it's gonna spin out of control and it's gonna be stupid. I want to see them in a classic plus go and add more like horizontal content instead of vertical content as far as power creep goes, right? Not only that, I think that one of the big things, keep going this, hopefully someone hears this. Yeah, thanks dude, I'm glad you guys are liking this. I've talked about this a little bit in the last few days. Vanilla WoW is about the entirety of the game. It's about the game from level one to level 60 and that is something that is exclusive to level WoW or that is exclusive to Vanilla WoW that is not really the case in Burning Crusade as much as I love Burning Crusade. It's not really the case in Burning Crusade. It's not the case in Wrath. It's not the case in any other expansion where when you start playing WoW, you start playing WoW at level one. Whereas in Burning Crusade, it feels like I'm really playing the game at level 70 and Wrath, I feel like I'm really playing the game at level 80. One of the things, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a step back a little bit and I'm gonna talk about hardcore. What I love, what I adore about hardcore classic WoW is that hardcore takes what classic WoW is and it makes so many things about what classic WoW is and it makes them better, right? Gear is more scarce. When you see somebody with a really cool piece of gear, you see somebody at high level, it's just way more epic. You're like, damn, that guy's a badass. And we used to have that kind of back in the day but we don't really have that anymore because people have gotten so good at the game over time and so on. Hardcore has changed that. So when you get a piece of gear, what is the best feeling in the world? When you're running a dungeon, what is the best feeling in the world as far as like getting new loot goes? It's getting a new weapon, right? Now you can only run the dungeons once per day and if you can only run the dungeons once per day at low levels, you can't just keep spam running dungeons to be able to get really good gear in dungeons and like, oh, cool, I got the bloom, I got Smite's Mighty Hammer, right? I got Emberstone Staff. When you're running Deadmines, that might be the only time that you ever run Deadmines while you're leveling it because you can only run it once per day. So you might out level it and not wanna go back.  It is the best feeling in the world. That is it, that is your weapon, that is your guy and you can't spam run it and get it again. You know, it's like, oh, like we didn't get it. Run it back, run it back, right? It makes it so much more special when you get that weapon and it makes it so much more painful when a hunter rolls need thinking that he can use it because he can use two handers, but it's a mace and even if he could use a mace, it's not even good for him. So stuff like that, it makes, that's what makes hardcore WoW, like it makes the things about WoW even better. Now, again, on the flip side, I'm a PVP-er, right? I'm into battle rounds, I'm into arenas, I've always been a PVP guy. So for me, some of the things that I really enjoy about level 60 gameplay specifically in vanilla WoW isn't really there, right? So hardcore makes some of those things worse. But the whole top, did I just discover something on my, what? On my grand marshal scarab lord? All caught, everything done in the game possible? I just discovered an area, done Al-Gaz, what the hell? Anyway, wait, is this it? Did we just discover Classic Plus? When Classic Plus was in the game the whole time? Okay, so anyway, so done everything, never did leveling quests. Hey, dude, give me those dungeons, dude. So, yeah, yeah, bro is vibrating? Hey, listen, I didn't get the scarab lord mount for myself, dude, let me tell you, this isn't for me. Anyway, so as I was saying, as I was saying, what I would like to see, the reason why I'm talking about the game being from top to bottom, from start to finish is I think it would be good for the game if they wanted to do Classic Plus, I think it would be wise for them to add content throughout the course of the game. Add a new leveling zone, add a new dungeon, right? Like a mid-level dungeon. Add a new level zone for like level 40, for example. You know, these areas that are kinda like pain points for like, I don't know where to go to level, like I want a new 40 to 50 zone. For me, I always have so much trouble from 40 to 50, right? I would love to see a new leveling zone to level 40 to 50. It'd be incredible, you know?  I want to see Blizzard in a Classic Plus scenario add content in the mid-levels. And especially in a situation like hardcore, you see that content over and over again. Why? Because you're dying, you gotta go do it again. You know, people are leveling through constantly. That is cool. It keeps the world alive, you know? That's a hardcore, it keeps the world alive. One of the many good things about Classic Wow. I think that that would be something very, very wise for them to do. Now, we can talk about class balance stuff. We can talk about adding like a palette and taunt. We can talk about all these sort of things. I agree to some extent with all that. I think it needs to start with under the hood stuff. What are your opinion on graphics? They should not change the graphics. No, I think changing the graphics, a lot of people are gonna dance game and they're gonna put a bad, a lot of people, it's gonna put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths by doing, changing something that's so tried and true and nobody really complains about. Effectively, nobody is complaining about the textures of Classic Wow. Like there's some things that maybe you could do better. Like this damn mount could stop like vibrating at a thousand RPM or whatever. You can make this a little bit smoother so my name's not jittering all over my screen. That would be fine. But as far as like changing the textures go, as far as changing the textures go, I really don't think that's a good idea. So what about new character models? Absolutely not. Chad, what do you guys think about new character models? For me, absolute no go. Absolute no go new character models. Why not? Because the animations are different. It doesn't feel like Classic. It's not good, man. Like it's not good for the game because even if some people like it, the majority of people are not a fan, right? They wanna have the differentiation between what Classic Wow is and what Retail Wow is. There's a lot of people that like the old models better. What about Paladin and Shaman for both factions? It's funny. The idea of having Paladin and Shaman for both factions is kinda funny. I feel like that's not really vanilla. If you have Paladin and Shaman for both factions, I would like to see how it plays out. Look, I play a Paladin.  Give me Wind Fury, okay? You give me Wind Fury? That would be badass, okay? So part of me on a selfish level, like yeah, I would love to have a Shaman with Wind Fury. I would love to have a Shaman with Wind Fury Totem. Yeah, I would love to have a Shaman with Wind Fury Totem in my raid. But I think from a design standpoint, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea off the cuff. I feel like that's something that's not really vanilla. Like people like the, like having that like differentiation between the two factions, like Alliance as Paladins, Horde as Shaman's great. Now, would I like to see them balanced a little bit in between the two? Sure. Wait, you really play Paladin? I thought you played Druid. Yeah, man, let me keep saying the word Paladin over and over again. How's that sound? But Horde also has Paladins, not in vanilla. They don't. That shield seems OP for 19.  Cure one poison, one more poison every Tuesday after eight seconds.  So yeah, that's what I would like to see in Classic Plus. I also, I can speak a little bit to more Paladin-specific stuff. I would love to see a Sealed Twisting being effective. I would love to see, I would love to see Sealed Twisting being effective. Kind of that burning crusade play style of a Paladin and I would love to see that applied to Classic Plus. I think that would be amazing. Is there music playing? Oh, yeah. But that was, I mean, that's like my own personal thing. I really, really would love to see that, you know? Would you give Prop Paladin a taunt? I do think it would be wise to find a way to give Prop Paladin a taunt. I've used the example of making it like a set bonus on a piece of gear that you can get maybe, maybe in like a dungeon or maybe there's like, maybe there's an item, maybe there's an item that drops that like, hey, whenever you cast judgment, it also taunts. And it's like a trinket for a Paladin. And it's like, maybe it's like a class quest or something. Now, here's the bad part about that. The bad part about that is it pigeonholes you into always using that trinket. But maybe if you had like a Libram that did that, maybe you've had a Libram that did that, like a Relic item, you can change these in combat because it's like a weapon, it's like a ranged weapon. So maybe that'd be a good idea. That's a great idea, put it on the list, taunt Libram. Yeah, I mean, that's, man, that's really in depth, but like taunt Libram, it's funny, I like stopped typing and I just started talking about stuff. So Classic Plus, I want mid-level content under the hood, class balance changes, fixing talents, interactions with certain stats, coefficients, etc, right? Maybe some minor, help me list out everything I said. So minor class balance changes and talking about Librams, like these Relic items, a lot of times hybrid classes, specifically you have Druids, you have Shamans and you have Paladins who don't have a ranged slot, they have a Relic slot and the Relics aren't always super powerful, sometimes they are, but there's not a lot of really powerful ones. I would really like to see them expand on the Relics because the Relics were not added, the Relics were not added until late in the game. I think it was like the 1.9 patch originally, the same patch, AQ40 got put in in OG Vanilla, so there's not a whole lot of them in the game. So I think them adding more Librams into the game would be wise to kind of help with some of that stuff. I think a Libram where your Paladin, a Paladin Libram where like your judgment now also acts as a taunt would be sick because then a Prop Paladin could have that on and they could judge and they could taunt or if they're an off tank for a fight, what they can do is they take it off and they have another Libram running. Professions are useless in Vanilla, that's super not true. I will say this, you could make an argument that engineering is too strong in Vanilla and maybe the other profession should be either brought up to par or engineering should be nerfed. I don't think it feels good to nerf engineering, but maybe if you added some more benefit to the other professions, it might make people, it might people like make people think twice about wanting to go engineering for sure. As a PvP-er, engineering, I think engineering as a PvP-er is like a, it's a must-have. Well actually nowadays, even as like a hardcore Raider engineering is a must-have, right?  So now it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, of course you want engineering. So I don't know, maybe there's something that can be done there. Maybe there's like a slight profession rebalancing. One new raid either after or before an axe, make it easier. Well, I think this is what else they should do, right? Mid-level content, make a zone or a new dungeon or something like that. Or a new dungeon for people leveling to 60. To horizontal, I don't know what to call this. Level 60 raids that are a sidestep, that they are, what's the word I'm looking for? Horizontal progression, is that right? Horizontal, yeah, horizontal, the lateral progression, yeah. Level 60 raids with a horizontal progression after an axe. The gear that drops is good for different specs, not the cookie cutter slash meta specs that the gear drops for in an axe. That's a big one, man. Like I would love to see a Feral Druid tanking set, I would, because Feral Druids are phenomenal tanks and they just literally have like no gear for, wait, what the heck, another human? Hello, I thought everyone here was dead.  Oh, howdy, can I get a guild invite? How many people are in this, are in this guild? Sick, last online two years, where? Dude, the real crusade, because this is on the clone server. The real crusade is like still alive and well, like a full go on the raid groups. I mean, the leadership, I'm telling you, the leadership of crusades stepping up is phenomenal, man. We're one of the only guilds to still be active from day one of vanilla. I think about how crazy that is. He will surpass you, you made a mistake. No, no, wife of S-Van on benediction is just being nice. Oh my, thank you, the world buffs. I've talked about this in the past. So here's something else I would like to see. Here's something else I would like to see, and Vader might know. Here's something else I would like to see. World buff, minor revamp. All world buffs should be undispellable. Currently, only half of them are undispellable. Okay, everybody who says no world buffs, Blizzard has already said they will never do no world buffs again because they saw that it was a huge mistake in Season of Mastery. I said that it was gonna be a huge mistake. A very vocal minority of people were talking about how world buffs suck, remove world buffs, and then what happened? They got rid of world buffs, and everybody who was raiding in Season of Mastery was like, holy shit, this is boring. People like being strong, and it's good, because world buffs are good because they make you travel around the world. It adds to the community aspect of the game where people, oh hey, yo, hey, I got this diamond ball open, anybody want this? Yeah, sure, here, come in. Sure thing, buddy. I remember, dude, I literally met people and would start talking to people regularly because different guilds had the same raid times, and it's like, yo, so-and-so from Vampire Clan, he has a DM open if you wanna join his group. Cool, let's buddy up with them, and let's go join them. It's so good, man. It's so good. Raid 3 did most of the guilds world buffs. Yeah, I mean a bunch, like Crusade was such a big player on the server in general, like we got to know a bunch of people in different guilds through stuff like that, you know? So does Classic Plus need new races? Rather than a human, it would be something else. I don't know, I'm indifferent on new races. Like, I just don't know. I saw some Turtle Wow stuff where they were like, they have like high elves and they have goblins, which I think is kinda cool, but I'm indifferent, so. World buffs would be amazing without the Dispel Meta and with Chrono Boon. Yeah, I know. Most problems with world buffs are addressed with them being completely undispellable plus Chrono Boon. You know, who's idea Chrono Boon was, actually? It was actually Tip's idea. Like whenever I said we had the opportunity to talk to the devs a lot in the past, Tip's, I remember we were talking about this in the past, Tip's, he came up with the idea, he was telling me, he was like, dude, they should just make an item that saves your world buffs. And at first I was like, I don't know, is that kinda, me, I was like, I wonder if that would be weird or abusable or anything like that, or if it's too much, if it's too different, that's what I thought. But in practice, whenever the Chrono Boon got put in the game, which was way too late, and original vanilla, it was miserable, got put in way too late, but when they got put in, everyone was like, damn, this thing was amazing. It was actually such a good idea. It's called logging out. Yeah, but you know what the real problem is?  That's so dumb, because I have to get them at 3 a.m. on a Thursday, because that's the only time when people are done raiding, typically people are raiding on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, right? The griefers are out, or the griefers are asleep for once, that's their break day, 3 a.m. on a Thursday, that's like the griefer off hours, you know? But then now I have to log out with my world buffs forever, when instead I get the Chrono Boon, save my world buffs, I can't get my world buffs dispelled, running in between them, but I'm still running around the world, I'm still logged in, I'm still playing my character, the world is still active, I'm not raid logging, right? Some people will still raid log because that's how they wanna play the game, they don't have a lot of time to spend all week and they don't wanna know life the game, they get to a certain point and they wanna coast, they wanna cruise, and that's fine. But you shouldn't be forced to play the game in a way to where it's like, I can't log on.  That is terrible, it's bad design, really, really, really not good. And currently half the world buffs are undispellable, but I believe Songflower and Dire Maul buffs are dispellable and then the other ones aren't, like ZG is not dispellable, Enixia is not dispellable, but whenever you dispell one buff, it has like a force multiplier. So as you, they stack exponentially. So if you have six buffs and you get one buff removed, it's a lot worse for you than if you have, let's say four buffs and you have three, and you have one buff removed, right? So yeah, do you think world buffs should persist through death? I think probably not. I think probably not because now you're talking about it making an impact on like PvP and like a whole lot of other stuff, right? I think if you die, you're dead and I think that's just part of the game. I don't think having world buffs persist through death is necessarily a good idea.  Like at me as a guild leader, if you don't get world buffs before raid and you can't lose them if you die, like it's not good because now you're forcing people to play that way. And it's like, okay, well, a lot of guilds already do that. Yeah, but like a lot of the guilds that you, that's the guild that you sign up for and to play that way, right? But there are a lot of guilds that are like super casual. Like you guys don't realize, there are a lot of super casual guilds that don't require that. Balance ratios. Well, I talked about that a little bit right with a weapon skill thing. I don't know about racial balance. Maybe there's something that can be done there, but I don't have a good example of like how you could balance ratios. But here's my point. Have the fun of world buffs is knowing that death equals rip run adds to the stakes of each raid. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, it's the same thing with hardcore, right? It's the stakes. Rang 14 gear, season one made the gear building process from 60 to MCBW on that as fun. Yeah, well, you know what else I would really love to see, okay? And I was waving the flag for this and I sat at a table with people that worked at Blizzard at the time and they told me they would not do it because they thought it was too confusing for the players. Progressive itemization. I, dude, I was waving the flag hard for this one and they never hit it, dude. They're like, the problem with that is, so what is the concept of progressive itemization? This is an old, look, I'm digging out of the vault for this one, okay? I used to talk about this all the time, years ago. And what progressive itemization did is it was basically like the key trait that made Nostalrius pop off years ago. It was we wanna have progressive patch cycles and we wanna have the, you know, the raids released in a certain order, but not only that, we wanna have the items they get put into the game and the gear that gets updated in the game to happen at the right time. So for example, you guys remember Savage Gladiator Chain? You guys remember Savage Gladiator Chain? When you go to BRD, Blackrock Depths, there used to be a website called itemization.info and it would show you every item and how much it changed and the person who ran that website dropped it, but they did all this research to have all those numbers ready. Gorosh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what draws up. So you see this item, 13 string, 14 agility, 13 stamina, increases your crit chance by two, requires level 52, male chest piece. Look at the set bonus, increased defense by two. The hell, 20 armor. What weird set bonuses?  If I remember right, was it 1.9 or 1.10? Maybe somebody can correct, but it was either the patch that AQ40 came out or the patch immediately after, whenever they added the tier 0.5 gear. It's Hunter Biss also. This chest piece is the best chest piece in the game for hunters, for warriors, for ret paladins, for shamans, enhance shaman, all the way. So you have four classes. It's the best chest piece in the game for them all the way until AQ40 comes out, not rogues, because it's male. Five piece to get one crit. I mean, that's a pretty good set bonus, one crit, but you don't want the rest of the pieces. You just want the one chest piece. Not true, Hunter wants eight piece. Hunter wants their tier gear. Oh, I'm sorry, you know what? Let me correct myself. You're right about the hunters because they want the set bonus from their tier gear. You're absolutely right, I misspoke. For them, it's their pre-raid Biss for hunters. But for the other three, it's straight up their best piece of gear. Two percent crit is nuts. I think it's like 3% crit for, no, no, no. It's close to 3% for a hunter and a paladin, but is it, I think it's like, what is the agility? Is it 29 agility for a crit for a hunter? How much agility for a crit is it for a hunter? It's 59 for a hunter? I know it's really high. Is it 59? Yeah, okay. So it's not that much for hunter, but for a warrior and for a paladin, for us, for us, it's almost 3% crit and then 26 attack power. That's wild. People don't realize that Classic WoW was easy. Dude, you hit the nail on the head and this is exactly what I said, dude. People don't realize that Classic WoW was easy mostly because we got post-patch itemization. Spell damage and especially spell hit gear was non-existent at the start. Abso-lutely. Classic WoW and stuff is easier now than it was back in the day for a lot of reasons, right? We know more, we have better computers, we're better gamers, we have a mouse with 12 buttons on it, right? All that stuff. I have a Starboard PC, all that stuff, right? But the thing that like one of the other big things that Blizzard can actually control because those are all intangibles, right? Those are all intangibles. You can't control those, but what you can control is the fact that all the gear in Vanilla WoW from day one is way the hell too strong and somebody hit the nail on the head when they said you could put rank 14 gear day one, you could immediately start ranking in Season of Mastery and it's the post-patch ranking gear. It's not, it wasn't the early ranking gear. Correct me if I'm wrong. So what progressive itemization is? Progressive itemization is when you put the items in the game that are bad at the beginning and then they get updated in the later patches because they get updated in the later patches in order to match the raids, in order to act as better catch-up gear for the high-end raiders and stuff like that, people who are doing the content. So now those people that are already doing all that content right away, they have really good gear with a bunch of spell hit-on and a bunch of spell power and they're ripping through the raids even faster than they were before and this is something that they did on private servers and again, this is the thing that made private servers so popular initially because private servers existed for so long but private servers tried to do this blizz-like thing. They tried to do this blizz-like thing and the idea being we're gonna do progressive patches. There's 11 patches in Vanellah Wow. The game is constantly changing. The items are changing. The raids are changing. The world is changing, right? And this is what Nestalrius Elysium Lights Hope did and that's really what set the standard. This was back whenever I was streaming on YouTube, back whenever all this stuff was going down, back whenever, I mean, the origins of the push for classic Wow, that's when all this was going down, you know? Like from a community standpoint. And it became the standard for what people wanted for Vanellah, you know? Kangan has been saying that and this is sort of classic launch. This isn't the real Vanellah experience is the itemization. Kangan shared my video. I made a video about this, talking about all this stuff. I made a video talking about how like you gotta account for the times and you gotta make some changes. You need to make some changes for Vanellah Wow. Kangan shared my video. I mean, and that's a guy who's done literally everything in OG. I mean, he's one of the most decorated OG classic Wow players of all time. Actually, I think he is, right? From a PvE perspective at least, you know?  Like he's dead on with this stuff, but Blizzard didn't want to do it. So I really hope, I really, really, really hope that they do these things in Classic Plus. There's actually more and I'll talk about it more, but I'm going off on this massive rant that I've talked about for nearly two hours and we don't even know if they're doing a Classic Plus or not because every time I start talking about this thing, I get the freaking, dude, I get so excited that I just can't stop thinking about it, man. I can't, dude, I can't stop thinking about it, dude, because it reminds me, dude, I feel like, I feel like I did like five years ago, man. I feel like I did back when we were pushing for Classic, dude. When as a community, dude, this is the Wow Classic waiting room with Classic Ass, with me and with Tips Out, with Stay Safe and like, I have that same, oh, look, it's Levy. I got that, I feel that fire, dude, I feel that juice, dude. I want it back, man, I want it, I want to do a Classic Plus again, dude. I would love to see that. Now, again, I do so many more things, dude, Hunter with a Corrupted Ashbringer, who, dude, what guild would give a Hunter a Corrupted Ashbringer, man? That's just shameless, unbelievable, unbelievable. So anyway, like, I'm feeling that same sort of fire, dude, and I do a lot of stuff now, like I'm in a very different world. I'm in a very different world than I used to be in five years ago. Five years ago, I had pretty much nothing, but Classic Wow, right? I actually did like IRL and stuff, because it was like me and Miz did everything together, and then whenever Classic Beta came, everybody knew, wow, Classic Waiting Room, Classic Beta's gonna hit, Classic Wow's gonna hit, like, we're going full send Classic, right? But me and Miz used to do IRL and stuff together back when me and Miz got banned and like all kinds of stuff, right? But everybody knew that was all just, we're waiting for Classic Wow. Now, things are different, right? Now I'm doing sports, now I'm doing variety, new game launches, cooking streams sometimes, all kinds of stuff, but deep down inside, I'd still love Classic Wow, dude. I love Classic Wow, despite the fact that I do so many other things. I love Classic Wow, I love what it is. There's so many like good people in the community. This game brings so much joy to so many people that I really, really want to see it flourish. And yesterday, yesterday was such a big point of validation of that for me. 300,000 viewers streaming a tournament of a 19-year-old game, a 19-year-old game, 300,000. That tournament was a passion project. We found out about the hardcore servers being a thing and we sat in a meeting and I mean, I know Tips was kind of getting the itch, man. Tips was getting the itch and he's like, guys, we got to do this. And I tell him, I'm like, dude, I'm in, I'm all in. I've wanted to host a Classic event. I've wanted to put on a Classic tournament because I never even did one, right? Like if you think about it, like I did a bunch of stuff before Classic came out, but once Classic came out, I never hosted like a tournament or anything like that.  Let's make it blood sport. You get to level 60, level 60 Montgarras tournament. Tips was, I mean, Tips wanted to do it. I wanted to do it. We're like, let's do this thing. Tips basically comes out of retirement. You guys know his history with a CDL, puts in probably over a hundred hours working on this thing while he's still doing all the backend stuff, gathering the admins and getting volunteers and doing all this stuff on the backend and we end up putting together, right? We end up putting together. And dude, Tips knows this more than anybody. Cause I was a rule complainer, whatever he did. And I was like, dude, Tips, there's too many rules in the CDL.  Let's just let the kids play. Now we got into it a little bit and we realized, okay, we need some rules, but I'm so happy about what happened yesterday and what we did yesterday. Cause I will always be so passionate about vanilla wow. And I want to see this community flourish. And I know people are going to go play other games. I'm going to go play other games. I'm going to do other stuff.   Vanilla, burning crusade, wrath. I want these things to be available to people who want to go play them because I feel like they were a pivotal, they're a pivotal point in gaming history, all three of those expansions. They're a pivotal point in gaming history and an MMO history that genuinely changed the game. So yeah, I think that the provision of it, providing it and allowing people to play it is huge. Big believer in that. And like I said, whether I am actively playing it or not, I always will want to take an opportunity whenever I get it to be able to support the community. And I'm not the only one that feels that way, right? Like, you know, as a group, OTK, like we feel that way. We love wow, right? If we have a chance to come back and get to do something cool for wow, like that was a passion project for us. So yeah, that was a huge point of validation, man. I'm like, dude, I got to be the host. I got to host this crazy community event, 300,000 viewers. Now it was amongst all streams. It wasn't just watching me, right? Obviously, you know, but that's not the point, right? That's something that we did. That was badass. It was incredible, dude. And I genuinely believe that it was an eye opening. I believe that it was interesting.  That was, I'm pretty sure that was the biggest event, the biggest tournament ever for all of wow. Not just in prize pool, but in viewership. The AWC had seven K viewers. Yeah, it's just different.  So anything with all that being said, I really hope we get a classic plus. I really hope so. And I'm gonna be streaming from the floor at BlizzCon all day. I'm gonna be streaming all day on the floor. I'm gonna get to do a special stream with like Guzoo and Sarth and all these guys with classic devs. I don't know what it is. I just know I'm getting to stream classic with classic devs, or I guess I should say, I know that I'm getting to stream with classic devs. So I'm assuming that we're gonna get something. I think it's more than likely, it's gonna be a new fresh. But I think it's more than likely some kind of season of mastery two, not really a classic plus. But this is the wish list. This is where my heart is, you know? If it's like a season of mastery two type thing, I'll come back and I'll do some content. I would love to see a classic plus. Like I'll probably strap back up for a classic plus. Now, I will not, because here's the thing, whenever a OG, not OG, but whenever classic came out in 2019, this was all I did forever, right? This was it for months, like six months. I do too many other things now, so that's not gonna be the case, right? I do too many other things. That's not necessarily gonna be the case because I'm moving around, but I'm in the fortunate situation that anytime I wanna do well, anytime that I wanna stream well, because I have all these other avenues of being able to stream and being able to do all these other things. I mean, hell, my stream was the most watched channel TwitchCon this year, right? Having that sort of security and that sort of comfort allows me to anytime I do wanna play well, it's like, yo, I wanna play, right? I'm here because I wanna play.  Not just for a while, but for any game section. Whenever you're a game section streamer, not a lot of people have that. So anyway, very fortunate for that, by the way. With all that being said, this will probably be a YouTube video. So I hope you guys enjoyed the YouTube video. I hope you guys are excited as I am. I do everything here, right? Like my core, my roots, it's classic, wow. But I do literally everything on this channel. So I hope you guys enjoyed the video. I hope you guys enjoyed hearing about what I would like to see for Classic Plus and what I would like to see at BlizzCon. So you guys can join me on my stream at twitch.tv slash sfantv, where I'm doing everything again, like I said. But I'll be at BlizzCon, I'll be on the floor. YouTube, Instagram, Discord, Reddit, Twitch, Twitter. Everything is sfantv. Hope you guys liked the video. Like it if you like it, leave a comment. Subscribe to the channel. All that stuff, turn on your notifications. All my stuff is sfantv. Follow my Twitter if you want. Join the Discord, everything else. So thank you guys for watching. I'll see you guys later.


I got my first rejection in my entire career and I'm ready to show it to you. This just wouldn't be an honest series if I didn't also share some of the rejections that I'm going to experience along the way. This one's hard to call a rejection because I had a really great experience and the person who got the role, CJ Reynolds, is legitimately the best person I could possibly think of for the role. Honestly, CJ is so good that if I knew that they were interviewing for the same role, I probably wouldn't have even bothered applying. Of course, the role that I'm talking about is the video creator role for syntax at Century. I actually applied for this role in the later portion of last year and I thought, what the heck? I'll just show you the video that I made for it. Not only did I make a video, you can see the whole process that I went through in terms of making this pitch and going through the exercises. I admittedly did a lot of work on it, work that I'm actually really proud of. Now, before I roll the video, I just want to share with you the one thing that I really took away from the interview process. If you look at this notes page, I took a lot of notes on the exercise example of Intersection Observer. But I didn't do a really good job of actually rolling that into my submission. This is very much how I've worked in the past and it's a function of my fear that I might not get some of the details right. But living too much in that fear, I didn't represent myself in the medium that mattered, the video. This lesson has actually come into play in this series. I'm trying really hard to spend a lot less time writing notes and thinking about the video that I will make and just making the video. So a big thanks to Syntax and Century for helping me learn that very practical lesson in a real and personal way. If you haven't seen what they're doing on the channel since CJ joined the team, you really need to check it out. So without further ado, here is my video application for the Video Creator Roll at Syntax. Hey there, Syntax friends. I just wanted to thank you for reaching out to me about this roll and me being a possible fit for it. One, I'm very excited to have been considered and to be considered, but two, I'm just really excited about the brand where you guys have been taking Syntax for the last year. Since this is a video specific roll, I thought I'd include a video, but I didn't want to just repeat everything that I could just easily link to. So I figured I would give you two reasons why I think I might be a great fit, two reasons why I might not be a very good fit and two things that I'm looking for in my next opportunity. So first of the things that I think would make me a good fit. I think I'm at the exact then diagram of things that you are looking for. I have always loved programming and part of the joy of programming for me is helping kind of like flip that switch for other people. I got an email just yesterday from someone saying that the React holiday from a couple years back is when they started learning React and it just changed the course of their family. That just made the world to me. And those are the types of things that I absolutely live for. So that's what drives me on the technical education side, but then on the other side of that Venn diagram, I've just always been a huge AV nerd. Before I got my business degree, I spent years just living in a studio, getting certificates and recording arts, digital filmmaking and online multimedia production in macro media director or something that I don't remember. The point is two different worlds. I'm right there in the middle. I think I'd be a good fit. Now, as you may know, I'm just very upfront and open about the things that I am not good at. And so I wanna list those things as well. First on that list of two is that I am an OCD sufferer. There are a couple ways that that plays into work. Formatting is kind of a make or break thing for me. For example, this last week, I've been doing React holiday, this React Advent that I do every year. And I have been recording, editing, writing and publishing all of those in like two hours because the formatting is very sloppy. It kind of like comes out as it comes out. If I make mistakes, those go in as well. However, there were two projects that I did this year that really ended up not being a good fit. And it was because they had very exacting standards making sure that every word was correct and that they were kind of visually all very tight, had a lot of collaborators and I was at the center of coordinating it all. And for me to avoid embarrassment and shame, I get so lost in the details that I just lose all track of time. Now, this isn't bad, but in very exacting projects, it's very important that I have someone to partner with that can kind of manage some of the details. And then if the framework is a little bit more relaxed then I'm totally comfortable doing every part of it. Number two on the possibly not so good traits, I have absolutely zero original design skills. I am very good implementing something that exists and I have a lot of tastes. So if I'm working with a designer, I can direct them to get the feel and look and everything that we want. However, coming up with original design ideas, I don't have a visual imagination like that. So that's the possibly bad stuff. Let's talk about the things that I'm interested in for my next opportunity. Right now we're a family of four plus a dog and those two kids are tweens. So it's very important for me to kind of suck up every last moment of these kind of like teenage years before they really kind of take off into independence.  And the second thing is that I learn through doing. I learned through making podcasts, making videos of my own, making courses of my own and even products at time. I hope that this role would see that as an asset and not an area of competition or misaligned interests but I just wanted to put it out there, it's important. Okay, so that's it. Reasons I'd be a good fit, reasons I might not be a good fit and things that I am looking for personally. Again, I'm really thankful that you're taking the time to consider me. It's a real honor to be considered. Anything that's linkable, I will have at chan.dev slash syntax. That's chan.dev slash syntax. And yeah, I'm just really excited to see what you do. Whether you go with me or somebody else, I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. So yeah, I'll see you around. Bye.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspy's CaseBrace.com coming up to you with a brand new release, 2022 Topps Sterling Baseball, two box random hit break number one. What we're going to do is we're going to open the two box that we're going to select out of this fresh case. We actually thought we might have been just getting, we actually thought we were just going to get loose boxes, but we actually got a case, so that's pretty nice. A sealed case. So we're going to do some randomizing, we're going to see which two boxes we're going to do. Then we'll randomize your name and randomize the hits and then see what you end up with. So big thanks to Dusty and Craig for getting in on this. We'll put the list of hits in the, in this blank list right here and we'll randomize your name, randomize hits, see what you end up with, but let's pop this open first. Awkward shaped case, but I think I can get this box out here. All right, empty box. All right, so we've got, how are we going to do this here? Well, here's what I'm going to do. First I'm going to roll the die to select the side, left or right side, and then we'll do another dice roll for top two, bottom two. Let's go with that one there, one, two, three for the left side, four, five, six for the right side, one, two, three, four, five, six. So we'll save these for next time. So we'll put those X's there so you know that they're from the same case. And now you can see the two boxes on the top camera right there, one, two, three for the top two, four, five, six for the bottom two. Good luck. Four, one, two, three, four, five, six, so this we will save also for next time. Next two box break is in the store right now, you can run it back, twenty, twenty two top sterling, should be two mini boxes here with one hit each, there we go. We've got Hall of Famers and we've got Field Award winners. And I'll type in the hits in the order that they are, in the order that they are pulled. First hit is, nice, Tom Glavin, fourteen out of twenty five, highlighting his strikeouts and featuring the bat as well. I think he could, he could hit it a little bit back in the day. So that'll be the first hit we'll type in and we've got Fielding Award winners and it is upside down, it's Jeff Bagwell, nice, seven out of twenty five, two-color dual relic, Jeff Bagwell, part of the Killer B's. You know, look at that, you can pack some historic numbers in there. A lot of what could have beens in that 1994 season, that's second hit that we'll type in. And the next box, good luck. We've got Topps All-Star Rookie Cup Team and 80s MLB All-Stars, interesting, we've got a big letter there, letter N, ooh, a one of one letter, Andrew McCutcheon, that's nice, that's pretty cool, so this is going to go to either Dusty or Craig, I mean you may have to go on a mission and find these other letters. Alright, 1980s MLB All-Stars, we have a dual relic and autograph, it's Robin Yant, twenty out of twenty five, there's the Brewer's Pinstripe, piece of his lumber, Sterling's a real sharp looking set boys and girls, got another two box random hit break in the store, if you want to keep digging into it, alright now let's flip screens really quick, we've got Tom Glavin, what should we call it, dual relic, dual relic auto, fourteen out of twenty five, the next one was Jeff Bagwell, dual relic auto, seven out of twenty five, the letter relic one of one and Robin Yant, dual relic and auto, twenty out of twenty five, alright let's do it. Look Dusty and Craig, thanks for getting two spots each there, let's roll it, randomize it, four to three, lucky seven times, one, two, three, four, five, six and seventh and final time, pretty much the same, Dusty Dusty, Craig, Craig, except Craig's last spot Mojo slid up to the three spot, four to three, seven times, four of the hits, one, two, three, four, five, six and once more, seventh and final time, we've got the Andrew McCutcheon on top, Andrew Tom Jeff Robin and that's how it shakes out, Dusty with the Andrew McCutcheon one of one and the Tom Glavin dual relic and autograph, fourteen out of twenty five for the Cutch, all aboard the Big Hit Express, woop woop, with the last spot Mojo, Craig gets the Jeff Bagwell dual relic and autograph, seven out of twenty five and Craig also gets the Robin Yant dual relic and auto, twenty out of twenty five, there you go gang, that was a nice little random hit break, we got another, we just cracked open the case, so there could be some real monsters hiding in here, so keep chasing after it on Jaspy's casebrakes.com, I'm Joe, I'll see you next time for the next baseball break.


Well, good evening everybody. It is 6.30 on Monday, September 25th, 2023, and I call this meeting of the Burlington Housing Board of Review to order. My name is Betsy McGavisk. I am the chair of this board. The other board members present here are Olivia Taylor, Evan Litwin, Josh Ronsky, and also present is Lisa Jones, who is the clerk for the board. This evening we have two cases on the agenda, which we will hear in the order that they appear. The third case, I believe, on the agenda has been settled in advance. Each hearing is going to proceed in an orderly fashion. So when I call each case, you may come forward and have a seat at this table along with any witnesses. If there's room, we're also able to do any configuring, but I don't think that'll be necessary. We will also include anybody who is joining virtually into a virtual hearing so that they can participate as well. Our hearings are recorded, so it is important to speak slowly and clearly and to not interrupt or talk over someone else when they are speaking. Like I said, we have two cases on the agenda for tonight. Both will begin with a swearing in, confirming any basic information, and then at that point I will turn things over to each party for a brief opening statement. And then at that point, board members will ask any questions necessary for their decision making on the case for tonight. Each party is going to be given a full opportunity to be heard, including by testifying on their own behalf, calling witnesses, and introducing evidence in support of their case, and posing challenges to the testimony and evidence presented by the opposing party. We request that any anything said is not directed to members of the opposing party, but instead directed to members of the board. If we find it relevant, we will rephrase the question and then ask it to the opposing party. Any documents you want submitted into evidence must be provided to the clerk who will enter them into the record. So with that brief introduction, I'm going to call up the first case, which is involving 184 Church Street Certificate of Compliance case brought forward by DPI, involving Sisters and Brothers Investment Group, which is owned by Matt and Joseph Handy. So Cynthia, I see that you have your hands raised. Generally, if anybody is involved in this case, we ask that they raise their hands so that they can be led into this room. Do other board members want to see if there's a question here from Cynthia? Okay. Lisa, would you be able to unmute Cynthia? Hi, Cynthia. We've brought you. I saw that your hand was raised. We brought you into the virtual meeting. If you have any questions. Well, seeing that Cynthia may not actually have a question, we are going to ask that if you were involved in the case regarding 184 Church Street. Oh, Cynthia. Go ahead. No, I raised my hand earlier just to make sure that the Wyatt Garrett, Lawrence Hillel cases was canceled for this evening. Oh, okay. Great. Thank you for letting us know. So that's, this is the only case then on the agenda for tonight. Thank you. No, no. Is, is, I'm asking if that was, if that was the one that was canceled. Does that move forward? No. I'm here for that. No, that's all. Okay. I'm thinking. Yeah. Is there anybody else in the Zoom room who is here for this case? Hi, yes. Kim Sturmit from the city attorney's office. Hi, Kim. I am here for this case. Also, attorney Brian here who represents the Handys is also was trying to get in by phone. I'm going to double check with him to make sure he's got them accurate. It looks like Brian is in the Zoom, so we can let him in as well. Brian here, right under Cynthia. And we'll do introductions and swear everybody in soon. Just right now we're making sure that we have all parties and all people that need to be in the room here. So if there's anybody else involved, please raise your hand. If not, I will move us along to getting sworn in. Seeing none. Kim, since you've already started, how about we start with you and then we'll move on to Brian. And what I'm going to ask is that you say your name, identify yourself for the record and how you'd like to be referred to during this meeting. So for example, my name is Betsy McGavisk. I'm the chair of this board. I use she, her pronouns. You can call me Betsy. And then I'll have everybody swear in. So Kim, want to go for it? Yes, thank you. So Kim Sternemann, Director of Litigation in the Bryan City Attorney's Office, representing the Department of Permanent Infections, billboard in this matter. I will let Bill and Kim and Spine, I will let Brian here also speak to, we believe we have an agreement to work that we're working through for this property. It will be requesting support to, you know, well, I'll let Brian. Yeah, we can get into that. I just want to make sure everybody is introduced and sworn in and then we can, we can get into that. But thanks, Kim. Okay, thank you. Brian, if you don't mind introducing yourself. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Yeah, Kim is correct. Would we have the outline of the agreement? Brian, we'll get into that in just a few moments. If you don't mind just stating your name for the record, we'll swear everybody in. And then we'll start taking testimony on whatever agreement is being worked out. Well, I'm a lawyer, so I'm not testifying. I'm just summarizing the outline of the agreement. Okay. My name is Brian here and I'm the attorney for the owners of 184 Church Street. Thank you, Brian. And then Bill. I'm Bill Ward and I'm the director of permitting and inspections. I use he, him, pronouns. Thanks, Bill. Okay, so wherever you are, if you don't mind raising your right hand and do you swear under the pains and penalties of perjury that the testimony and evidence that you're about to provide in the case under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Kim and Brian. I'm not testifying as a witness. I'm not testifying as witnesses. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, with that, we can start with opening statements. Kim and or Brian, I don't know if either of you would like to start and explain what's been going on or the agreement that you've reached and what you're bringing to the board. I don't mind if it's one or the other of you that starts. Kim, how about you start? Sure. So the parties are working on a tentative agreement. We've, well, we've got a tentative agreement. What we're coming to the board tonight is there's a request to, you know, postpone and continue to make certain these proceedings to allow us to get that agreement finalized and then bring that back to the board for their order. The agreement itself and Brian, are you comfortable with me outlining terms or generally outlining the terms? Yes, of course. Great. Thank you. So basically the agreement will allow the parties to move forward to ultimately get the property vacated and then allow it to be renovated while it's vacated. And what is the timeline for that? There are 17 units in this building. Currently five are vacant. Three are under eviction process. Eight of the nine remaining will be vacated within the next 30 days. There is one tenant that is not had it indicated apparently that voluntarily would vacate but will now, if they don't, voluntary vacate will be served with an eviction notice by October 2nd and during this timeframe there will also be further, you know, management provisions put on the property to help secure it more. And then what is your ideal timeline then for the board to hear this order? Two weeks, which I understand falls on the holiday so it would be October 10th. Can I ask why two weeks is necessary if it sounds like you're quite close to an agreement? What is the sticking point? I think there will be other documents that will be drawn up like a management plan and such so we want to make sure to give time to be able to have all that included. When was the first meeting that the two of you had to discuss a tentative plan? Today. And can I ask why that only happened today and not when this was warned? Does anybody, Brian or Kim, want to address that? It, the city was receptive to seeing and discussing it when we were approached to. And when was, when were you approached, Kim? Today. So, attorney here, can you address why that the city was only approached today with your request? Uh, settlements frequently happen on the eve of a hearing or a trial. Okay, thank you. Yep. Okay. I would like to ask some questions of Bill. So does, I guess based on the evidence that you've already provided, it sounds like and it seemed like the case was that there is some very real health and safety concerns at this property and so do you have any concerns regarding waiting an additional two weeks in order to hear this case and potentially make an order? I don't because I was personally involved in this afternoon's negotiations with the city attorney representing me. I feel confident by that time we will, we will have already seen some evidence of good faith efforts that the property owner's attorney had shared were happening over the next week to 10 days. So with those assurances, I feel comfortable that this is an appropriate plan and probably gets me to a place where I feel more comfortable faster than if it had gone through a potential board hearing and then a subsequent appeal. Yeah. If one party or other was not satisfied with the board decision, it could have gone much longer. So I think this expedites the ultimate safety for the people who are in the building, which has been my priority from the first inspection. So I'm in agreement that this is not only acceptable but preferable in my opinion. It sounds like Bill that so based on what Kim was saying that three folks are under the eviction process, which I know can be time consuming, and that there's eight more within 30 days potentially and another tenant possible that's going to have to start an eviction process. So do you have any concerns about leaving folks in for what could be quite a bit longer in that property than anyone would necessarily want if there are health and safety concerns? So is there a relocation plan or what would you do if this, even with the agreement this lasted for potentially months? So the people that would be vacating within the next 30 days are the people that we were trying to expedite through this hearing process. The people who were in eviction are effectively asking for court relief to stay in the building. So that's not my place. It's for a superior court judge to make that decision. And I feel comfortable that with what the city attorney had negotiated with the property owner's attorney, there is or will be a management plan that we will have reviewed and approved so that I can work with my counterparts at both the fire department, the fire chief is here tonight. You know, you have letters from the police chief and fire chief in the superior court about their concerns. I feel like this is a faster way to bring some resolution to this and that that property management plan that we would review will have that assurance that the people that remain in there are not causing more problems for themselves. That's not being regulated by someone and then overseeing by city staff. So there are appropriate measures for checks and balances in my opinion. And could you explain if, yeah, could you just explain the the tenants who are seeking my hearing bill, would you use court order approval in order to be able to say? Could you just explain a bit more what that means for me? So they are the property owner prior to our actions had been noticed by the property owner that they were under eviction. So that would supersede my actions because a judge is going to make a decision about that. So to that extent, I was just paraphrasing that that's them upholding their ability to get legal counsel and say, I'm asking that the court say, I should be able to stay here. That's going to be for a judge to decide, to decide in my opinion. My job is to see that the building meets the minimum housing code. That's what these next steps will do. Provide some measure of safety for people to make repairs where they can be. And for our management plan to see that those people who remain in the building don't make matters worse. And so I have a question on the tentative management plan for Kim and or Brian or Bill if you're if you're able to chime in. But something that is in article 1820 that if we have a hearing that this board will be beholden to is that the property owner will be responsible for any relocation costs of tenants that are forced to move as a result of needing to make these repairs. Could you share if there's any anything currently in the management plan to ensure that, you know, tenants who are not already under the eviction eviction process are going to be receiving relocation services or funds during the interim. We haven't written the management plan yet. Is that your intention to include in the management plan? Pardon me. Is that your is it your intention to include language around relocation costs in the management plan? Those, yes those tenants are actively being relocated. There are units available for them and the owner is facilitating their relocation. But yeah, we will reference that in the management plan of course. And should we try and reschedule this hearing for any date less than two weeks away from now? So say one week away from now. Two weeks away please. Okay, but if we were to schedule it for one week from now what would where would the status of your agreement or your order be? It wouldn't be complete. Kim is that your understanding as well? I mean we would work on it as soon as we can but I think two weeks gives sufficient time for it to actually you know to make sure it can get through the both parties and be acceptable just in yeah. So do other board members have questions for any of the parties here? No, I could go for a vote on the request for continuance. Well yeah I would just ask for the folks currently under eviction orders presuming that they you know you were saying they're currently in front of Superior Court right? So if Superior Court finds that they are not subject to eviction how that play into the management plan wouldn't speak to that? I would say since the management plan is not written it would need to be written into that and that's where I think from my perspective allowing the property owner's attorney to work with them to have the few days to complete that we had these discussions earlier today is not unreasonable for them to if they're providing it to us by the end of this week I'm certain there will be given this afternoon's back and forth there may be some back and forth in that as well I think it would be appropriate and I will say it may be harder to reach next week I'm out of state next week at a conference it's not that I couldn't log in remotely but it would be a little bit more challenging for me to have documentation and so forth as easily as if I was here in person next week but I would be back in state as of the 9th or 10th for a hearing. And so to clarify for our procedural purposes the 10th has been scheduled as a virtual meeting already um is the would be a let I guess what's the reason for that? yeah right yeah yeah I totally get that but why is that a virtual like are you not going to be here Lisa is that why it's a virtual meeting because I couldn't find space oh okay that makes sense um I want to push it out further but I do think that it would benefit us to have this rescheduled hearing in person if we are going to especially if we're going to push it out two weeks um I don't know how we can check in on the availability of of the 11th for a meeting space but is this something that we need to decide right now Lisa? well I wouldn't know what those are okay I mean I think that so I think the meeting could be held virtually should it be necessary um there are plenty of parties that could have been here this evening that have not come so um I don't see why we couldn't keep it as a virtual meeting yeah should we need to reschedule and um so I you know if you're comfortable um with that we could go to a vote on whether or not and discussion and vote on whether or not to um accept or to decline the request to continue the case unless anybody has more things we want to discuss I don't think I need any more information from from the parties here um I do have a another procedural question which is if we do make a vote to uh around continuance do we need to determine the the date right now or is that something we could determine in executive session with the order this will be two eight times certain date certain in that you at least have one meeting location identified even if that is an online location um to so that the hearing doesn't have to go through the process of being re warned and reposted at the property by bill okay so this vote should include the time and date and place okay great um do I need to do a motion to move us into like any type of further discussion on this I feel like we've already been discussing but I think a point of process would be that the chair could entertain a motion to continue this hearing to uh date time and location certain which is the pleasure of the motion maker okay um anybody interested in making a motion for a date and time for a continued meeting um I will make a motion to um for us to consider whether or not um to vote yes or no on the continuance and set the date and time right now and for us to discuss it now okay so motion for discussion no motion for vote and there's and then vote yes okay do I have a second second all if they were for discussing yes okay yes I um so I would vote to uh accept based on the testimony of director ward particularly I think if director ward is comfortable with with a two-week wait which was my initial concern regarding health and safety issues then I'm inclined to trust his judgment on that and I would move that we accept the continuance until October 10th at 6 30 during our normal meeting time which would be virtual only and should the parties come to an agreement before then which would be ideal then we did not have to have that but we can cancel that on the agenda so so that's my motion to postpone until October 10th at 6 30 for the virtual meeting okay can I ask or amend that we move it to 6 p.m. earlier in case we can set any I mean has this meeting been warned Lisa so we would have to reform it um it has not been to go public okay so we could move it to 6 if that is that I would accept that motion and amend that we meet earlier that day does that work for the two of you or what are you thinking are you inclined to support this so you know my concern is that you know it seems like conversation has just begun today and I appreciate that it sounds like the parties are moving quickly towards an agreement I am concerned that there's no there it sounds like there's not been any conversation on the management plan so I do worry that in two weeks you know we're going to come back and there's not going to have been an agreement and then we're two weeks out from you know everything that the ward has said that we're still 30 than 30 days plus out from actually implementing an order but I guess I'm open to so that's my concern and I guess I'm torn on it but I'm also open to going along with the board that's where everyone else is at I think ultimately the concern you have which I share to a degree um is that there's already quite a few process people that are already in judicial processes and so I'm not really confident that extending two weeks is really going to have a big uh difference and um Director Ward's down in town next week and he would be it would be very important to have him here although he could remote he did say he would be remote and the two parties have said that they don't the city has also said that they don't feel that they could come to a management plan in an agreement within two weeks so I think by for that regard I would you know ask you to consider to support my vote to extend for two weeks until 6 p.m. which is Olivia's request yeah I don't have anything to add okay so all in favor yeah do we have a I'm motion first October 10th at 6 p.m. virtual hearing and all parties should be present virtually should they not come to an agreement before that okay um all or do I have a second second all in favor hi hi hi okay great unanimous you have your extension thank you thank you thank you good night game thank you thanks brian thanks kim thanks bill thank you see y'all in a couple weeks um so you don't you want to you know if the people are here for the third case um they're not physically here but I do not see why it or lauren well Cynthia yeah right with the tenants and I think Cynthia responded correct yes hi you're here for the the third case Wyatt Garrett Lauren Chalell Jason Siler and Cynthia Warwick could you raise your hand Cynthia are you the um you can unmute yourself uh are you the landlord or the tenant party okay thank you why or are the tenants present on zoom or in the room so okay um if the parties aren't here I feel that they've had ample amount of time to arrive so I would ask our chair to move us into executive session um and of course the standard caveat of if there was a good reason for the parties not to be here and we validate that reason then we could reschedule yeah so Cynthia and Jason we will reach out to Wyatt and Lauren to see if there is a justifiable reason for them not making it here tonight in which case we will reschedule if not we usually consider a case dropped if the petitioners have not arrived within 15 minutes of we were muted yeah so we will reach out to the tenants to see if there is a justifiable reason for them to not be here tonight we usually give parties 15 minutes to show up and then consider the case from the petitioner dropped if that has not happened so seeing that they're still not here and it's 30 30 minutes past the start of the meeting we will consider it dropped unless heard otherwise so I'm willing to find um a clerk of the board should be in touch with you pretty quickly um Lisa how long does that would that take you to just until you make contact with the or attempt to make contact with the tenants I guess yeah do you guys have you received anything from them Lisa so um Cynthia have you received email communication from the clerk yet Lisa Jones no okay have you emailed her before or do you email her okay so Cynthia the clerk will respond back to you within a few days yeah a few days to email yes okay yeah I had emailed her photos receipt of notification returning to deposit great yep and I am seeing those things in the folder so if I get three scheduled those will be put to use but if not thanks thanks anyways for taking the time okay I just I'm not a quick question I also mailed out a packet of photos and I was wondering if you got them yes we did we received them on the 20th okay so we're all set then thank you very much thank you thank you have a good night okay so with that I think I adjourned this meeting and we will move into executive session 703 at 703 for the record for the record