Okay, ready? Good evening, everyone. Welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting. As always, before we start the meeting, our city clerk reads a quote of the week. Thank you, Mayor. May the spirit of Christmas bring you peace, the gladness of Christmas give you hope, the warmth of Christmas grant you love. Thank you very much. Call the 18th regular meeting of the Common Council to order. Please call the roll. Boran. Here. Baok. Here. Decker. Here. Gisha. Here. Meyer. Here. Montemayor. Here. Rinfleisch. Excuse. Ryan. Here. Surik. Here. Vanderweel. Here. Excuse. Verhasselt. Here. And Wangaman. Here. 14, present. Quorum is present. At this time, I'd ask everybody to rise. Alderman Boran, would you please lead us in pledge? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Vice President Boran. Approval of the minutes, President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd move for approval of the minutes. Second. Motion in second to approve minutes under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Minutes stand approved. Public forum, Madam City Clerk. Thank you. First on our list this evening is Richard Hartman. If you could come up, sir, up to the mic. And I would ask that you pull the mic down towards you so everybody can hear. You'll be able to hear me. And I need your home address, please. Thank you. Can I get your home address? 2423 North 23rd Street. All right. And you will have five minutes. Thank you again. The issue of vacation and discontinuance of portion of North 21st Street that lies between North Avenue and Calumet Drive has been one of contention that this city has had to deal with before. It seems the city is inviting more controversy over that slightly less than one half acre parcel of real estate. According to city records, that piece of land was once a street that was once a street has become privately owned property as of mid-October, 2008. The city assessor's office tells me that a reassessment of the abutting property owners' holdings that include this newly acquired gift of land from the city would take place sometime after the first of the new year. To me, this means that for two and a half months those property owners are not being taxed to the same degree I am taxed for the property I own. When property changes hands, the taxing entity doesn't really care who pays the tax but we would hope that the entity would collect those taxes that are due them. These past few years, the emphasis has been on saving money due to the financial challenges facing the city and by all indicators will continue for at least a few more years. What puzzles me is why the practice of saving money isn't always a large concern. Good times are bad. Certification of the passage of this ordinance, number 4708-09, has been given to at least 15 city shabuigan department heads or groups of people. Yet it is apparent that no one has questioned this lack of responsibility. For the assessor's office, it wouldn't take a whole lot of reassessing. The area of concern is clearly indicated on city records and is attached to the ordinance itself, at least on my copy. Thank you. Thank you, Richard. Next is Mike van der Steen. And Mike van der Steen, 320 Lincoln Avenue, county board chairman. Thank you for the opportunity to speak, mayor and council members. Tonight on your agenda, you've got an item about a joint purchasing agent proposal. And as I go back and look at the first time I came to speak to you after I became county board chairman, the mayor and Mark Hannah invited Adam Payne and myself to meet with them on a bi-weekly basis and we've been doing that ever since. And this is one of the things that we've talked about in some of those early meetings. In late summer, early fall, we had a county board vote on this issue and it passed 29 to three. And we passed it on for your consideration. It's made it through two of your committees and coming up before you tonight. I think this is a perfect example of continuing some of the other things that we've done in cooperation in many areas. Some on our law enforcement, some recently in our HR departments with wellness programs, our public works in our highway department. And many of the things we've done, we're gonna share a salary or we're gonna share an expense. But I think this particular item has a chance not only for us to split a salary on a purchasing agent, but I really feel quite strongly that the purchasing agent is gonna be able to identify many things that we can either get better pricing on because we're purchasing in larger volumes. He'll find things that the two of us can do together and save money on. So I think this has the opportunity to produce many more results and save the taxpayers of the area much more in the way of dollars. So I really appreciate your vote tonight on this. After you get done with this tonight, then we'll take it back to our finance committee for the final approval on the contract and then hopefully we can begin this January 1st. I'm really happy to see that we're gonna do something on a 50-50 basis for the first six months while we explore things and see how things work out. And then we'll sit back and evaluate it and try to find out a combination that works the best after that. But we're gonna have Bernie Romer have a period of time to get associated with all the city staff and how the city works. And we felt that this was the best way to approach this is just split it evenly for six months. And then after that, we'll see where we go and what works best for the communities. So thank you for your time tonight, appreciate it. Thank you. And last would be Adam Payne. Adam, can I have your home address please? N5235 County Road S. Plymouth, town of Plymouth. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I don't think I can say anything that Chairman Van der Steen didn't share. As a county administrator, of course, I have the pleasure of working with you and the mayor and 34 county board supervisors. And as I was driving over here, I really was thinking about what can I say to this group? And I think the number one thing is thank you. Thank you for many of the initiatives of late that we've had in play and we've been working on together. The purchasing agent position was one of the first things that Chairman Van der Steen brought forward to the county board when he started. It was something that he really felt would make, would benefit the county and the city if we could share such a position. And as he said, with the mayor support and Alderman Hannah and Jim Gisha and others around this table, Alderperson Montemayor for bringing it forward, thank you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And I really think this is an opportunity that a lot could be gained. Bernie Romer's been our purchasing agent now for about seven or eight years. And I know you had a good one and Kim for Helst, if I'm pronouncing it correctly. In fact, he advised me when I started with the county 10 years ago on the importance of a purchasing agent and what it could mean. And the county first introduced a purchasing agent then. And literally Bernie Romer has saved Sheboye County taxpayers millions. I think he's a good person. And I think working with the city and the county as Chairman Van der Steen said, I think he's gonna uncover things and opportunities that we're gonna be able to do more on behalf of our respective taxpayers. I also wanna say thank you regarding Morgan Aircraft. What a tremendous opportunity that is for our community. And certainly as the mayor, and I think everyone in this room is aware, it's very exciting. Work has begun at the Sheboye County Airport. Ground's been broken and everything we hear from Mr. Morgan, the president of the company is that things are progressing well. Ultimately the prize over a 50, maybe $75 billion development, 2,000 jobs, new jobs for the area. What a wonderful opportunity. And again, we've been pulling in the same direction together to make that happen. So thank you. The wellness programs that we've been working on of late, some nice press on that regard. But what a good thing for our employees. Thank you. We are looking at joint dispatch right now and that's gonna be a tougher challenge I think than some of the others that I may have mentioned, but we're working on it together and that's a good thing. And finally just, and again Chairman Van der Steen touched on this, but the most recent example I can point out specifically is our highway department was looking at adding a piece of equipment at the cost of about $221,000. And fortunately there was some discussion about working with the city, working with your public works director and now five, six times a year when we need that piece of property or piece of equipment we're gonna work with the city and use it on an hourly basis rather than two entities owning over a $200,000 piece of equipment. Thank you. That's a winner. So I appreciate the relationships that we've built. I appreciate some of the good work that's in play and I know we've got a lot of challenges ahead of us and thank you for your attention tonight to the purchasing agent position that's your position and thank you for the good work that you've done. Thank you. That's it. That's it. Thank you very much to those that addressed the council. Next item on the agenda is a presentation of tourism. I'd like to address the council. That's on the hearing. Hold on, hold on, we're not, hold on just, I think you want to address the council on the two ways of doing it here. Are you here for that property, the drone drive? Okay. There's two ways of doing it. The public forum has a limited five people, five minutes each with one minute extension but you need to call the city clerk prior to get on the agenda. The other way is the one that you will probably be utilizing or availing yourself of is that we'll notice a hearing and ask if there's anybody who would like to provide input to the council. So if you just bear with us for a few minutes, okay? We'll get you, thank you very much. This time, Kim Swisher. Good evening, Mayor Perez and members of the council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this evening. I am pleased to report that the city of Sheboygan, tourism division had a busy and successful year. Through astronomical gas prices and a struggling economy, we continue to attract visitors to our great city. Our primary gauge, room productions, clearly illustrates that we are effectively reaching visitors. In the first quarter of this year, we experienced an increase of 16.1% over last year. In the second quarter of this year, we experienced an increase of 18.6%. We are currently showing a slight loss for the third quarter but as of today, we are still awaiting payments. Fourth quarter figures should be available in the first quarter of next year. This past year, our aggressive efforts have been focused on increasing lodging occupancy through four conduits. The first is our increased marketing via the internet, such as e-newsletters, keywords and banner ads. We frequently send emails to contacts in our database. We have been compiling visitor information since our inception in January of 2006. We continue to generate new contacts by promoting our website, visit sheboygan.com in all of our marketing initiatives. Because of our marketing efforts, our website has experienced significant growth. As of last month, our statistics show that we are averaging 21,428 visitors per month. We regularly update our site and believe that this remains our most effective and cost efficient marketing outlet. Our second tool for increasing lodging occupancy is our increased number of city festivals and events. Our scenery and our proximity to Lake Michigan are major assets in our portfolio of offerings to visitors. Our unique settings, such as the South Pier Peninsula and our city parks, including DeLand, give us a distinct advantage for hosting outdoor events and activities. The Wisconsin Department of Tourism tells us that over 16% of visitors traveling do so to attend an event or a festival. In 2007, travelers spent $12.776 billion in the state of Wisconsin. Sheboygan County attracted 2.76% of that or 352.5 million of the state's total. In reviewing how travelers spent their money statewide, the department noted that 30% was spent on shopping, 27% was spent on food, 20% was spent on activities such as festivals and events. This is significant when you consider that lodging was just 13%. This also reinforces our efforts in hosting and promoting city festivals and outdoor activities. We believe they're worthwhile. That being the case, in March, we hosted the second annual Sipping on Sheboygan Shores Micro Brew and Wine Tasting Festival. We welcomed a record number of attendees and plans are underway for our third year event. We hosted our inaugural Roar on Sheboygan Shores Motorcycle Rally. In June, despite horrible weather, it rained the whole weekend. We had a promising first year event and plans are underway for next year. This year we coordinated the city's July 4th festivities for the first time. We are proud of our cooperative efforts with the Sheboygan Police Department and several community organizations. We look forward to the 2009 celebration. We coordinated the Mayor's Twilight Concert Series at Fountain Park for the first time this summer. We introduced a variety of musical acts and we look forward to continuing a balance of traditional music and contemporary bands for the 2009 season. Our second annual South Pier Labor Day Festival was very successful this year. We welcomed the Kettle Moraine Corvette Club's annual car show as well as a national entertainer, Daryl Sturmer of Genesis. Plans are already underway next year. We're welcoming back the Carnival and the car show and we're adding a new attraction, the SV Dennis Sullivan Schooner, Wisconsin's flagship, to South Pier for the entire weekend. We'll be selling tickets for sailing trips and we look forward to another successful event. For 2009, we're working on two new events. We are collaborating with the Harbor Center Business Improvement District to host a new taste of Sheboygan Outdoor Food Festival that will be held on Sunday, July 26th on 8th Street. We are also working with community members to host the first annual Oktoberfest on Sheboygan Shores. The event will be held Saturday, September 19th on the South Pier Peninsula near Weissgerber's Seabird Restaurant. Looking ahead, plans are underway for the 2010 Sheboygan Film and Music Festival, which will be held Memorial Day weekend. Our third increasing lodging occupancy is targeted marketing. While we originally expected to garner more traffic from the Chicagoland area, we are finding that our strongest markets have been the Milwaukee, Northern Illinois, the Fox Valley and Madison areas. Events such as the sipping micro-brew and wine tasting event are drawing overnight stays from within an hour's drive of Sheboygan. We have also found that marketing in our revised target areas is more economical and it's easier to tailor to specific targeted demographics. Finally, our fourth tool for increasing lodging occupancy is our effective relationships with county, tourism partners and regional associations. We continue to believe that cooperative efforts increase our ability to participate in programs and activities that might otherwise be unavailable to us. We are an active member of the Tourism Alliance of Sheboygan County and work closely with our county partners. Members include Elkhart Lake, Kohler, Plymouth, Random Lake, Sheboygan Falls and the Sheboygan County Chamber. The county calendar of events and the lodging availability report are just two of the initiatives that we have facilitated. We are also a member of the Wisconsin Harbor Towns Association. The group is comprised of 18 Harbor Town communities along Lake Michigan and Lake Superior. We participate in a variety of Harbor Town activities, most recently coordinating the second annual clean beach sweep. In the packet of information that I have provided you are the 2009 tourism initiatives that I submitted to Mayor Perez and the Tourism Advisory Committee. An item that is not included in there is that the tourism coordinator position will be increased to 30 hours a week beginning January. While the table of organization has the position listed as full time, it's been part time 20 hours a week since the tourism division's inception. Tamara Wright joined the tourism division in June and based upon the increased activities and events, I felt that it was appropriate to add the 10 hours per week to the position. We budgeted accordingly in our 2009 planning and I am looking forward, I'm looking very forward to the additional assistance. A final item for your consideration is an agenda item. Tonight you will be on the city tourism division entering into a two year lease with Memorial Mall. The division would like to rent a small office, approximately 1,000 square feet on the northeast side of the mall near Sears. We would have an outside entrance to our office and high visibility from Highway 23 along with easy access from Taylor Drive. Our monthly lease payment would be $100 plus utilities which we have estimated to be $250 a month. Previous to this opportunity, we were considering moving to the first floor of our current location, the former Department of Revenue site. The rent would have been significantly higher, $1,100 a month with utilities included and visibility significantly lower. The mall provides the tourism division the opportunity to elevate our efforts in tourism promotion and I think that we'll have the capability to potentially increase traffic at the mall. I believe this is a win-win situation for the city and for Memorial Mall and I would greatly appreciate your support for entering into this agreement. I would like to thank you, each and every one of you, for your support this past year. I thank you for the opportunity to speak to you tonight. I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you, Kim. Next item on the agenda. There was a hearing to change the zoning of property located at 9.6 Broden Drive from Class Neighborhood Residential and Suburban Residential to Class Neighborhood Office Classification. Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Sir, please come forward. Is there, go ahead. Is there anyone else that, okay, well, anybody else besides two, three? Okay, we're gonna go with three minutes apiece. Okay. Okay, hold on just a second. I need to get your, it's Robert. Yes. And how do you spell your last name, Robert? E-C-K-E-R. And your address? 317 Ontario Avenue. Ontario? Oh yeah. And you'll have three minutes. Okay, I am directly west of the 9.26 Broden Drive, so I feel that this is gonna impact me the most, so that's why I'm, I don't have anything against a restaurant or a cafe. I like to eat and drink and have coffee, but I don't want it 20 feet away from my bed and window. I didn't buy this property and invest my savings into it, thinking that someday it was gonna be a business area. It was always under assumption that it was part of the park or was city and it would never be for sale. And my concerns are, it's not gonna benefit me whatsoever. A lot of people in the neighborhood feel that way. A lot of them can attend health issues, work issues.  I don't know how late this place is gonna stay open or anything like that, but that's some of my concerns. Commercial building would change the character of the appearance of the street. It's always been a nice quiet neighborhood. Summertime it gets busy, but we deal with it down there. I don't really perceive how it would be great to have traffic nonstop all day, every day down there. It's, I already, I'm already picking up litter after all the festivities and don't really have a problem with it. It's no festive season, but to do it every day, I'm not too thrilled about that. Why some of the bigger concerns would be to playground office special needs directly across the alley from this. There's no Austrian parking for a business right there. There's already parking issues down there. People parking in the handicapped section that's supposed to be designated for handicapped people in the park and people that are utilizing aren't handicapped, so I'm sure they're gonna be increased parking there for people that shouldn't be using that. And I don't see how to, they would work out with the parking there. Most of the time in the summer, I can't even park in front of my house. It's just too many people there. I got, I have Austrian parking, but a lot of people in the neighborhood don't. I just don't see that that's a very good idea. I don't expect a commercial building would have an adverse effect on a market value. My house either, my taxes went up considerably, 2006. I don't see having a business rate next door to me and if they rezoned it, they could possibly expand it. I don't see anything but my value of my home going down. Excuse me, Robert, three minutes are up. Okay, thank you for your time. I appreciate it, thank you. Is there anyone else, sir, please come forward. Hi, can I get your name please? Scott Wagner. Scott Wagner. And your address, Scott? 22 Niagara Avenue. 222? 322. 322. I've been part of this neighborhood for 47 plus years. I grew up when there was a smokehouse down there and we had a deal with rodents police coming in, shooting the rodents at least once or twice a week. That's not a big issue. We have small children running around, just across the alley from where they want to put this cafe slash bakery slash whatever. We don't get any answers. We asked the billing committee, it's in the works with the police department. Where is there going to be parking? They can't put it on road and drive because you have the beach across the street. That's a narrow street. Across the street is another playground for the children. Where are we going to go for the children? We have, my understanding is the Gus Mackers can be moved next year due to parking and safety issues because people park up and down, road and drive. So as a committee, I would think that it would be hard for you to vote one way or another until we get answers. We don't know what they're going to do with parking. We don't know what they're going to do with the health issues. I'm sure they're all online, but that's my concern. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else, Mr. Ecker? Step forward. Hi, can I have your name please? Rob Ecker, 609 Alabama Avenue, formerly the same neighborhood though. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you. I'd like to communicate my following concerns to you in person and the email that I forwarded last Friday. The immediate neighbors of this site strongly object to the rezoning and have organized as you know to oppose it. Son and daughter-in-law have the home next door, as Robin mentioned, and certainly are going to be the most affected. We support their objections for the reasons they've stated and the other statements made tonight. I have additional concerns that evolve from being involved in our community, knowing the history and past direction of the planning department, and being a realtor for 24 years, the broker owner of Houseworks Real Estate. This is a 1999 issue of Small Towns, and it's what Small Towns is, Small Towns Institute that spent a lot of time congratulating Sheboygan. This is that corner, and the sign says Ellis Historic Neighborhood. This is my son's home. This is the site that we're talking about. With the accolades within this magazine, they state and picture one of the homes on the blocks and say several homes in the area have been restored in period style as the city endeavors to preserve both the historic and working class character of the neighborhood. Goes on to say the Ellis Historic Neighborhood also is an example of how the new development is integrated into an existing community. It will remain a working class neighborhood that is deeply rooted in the community. The neighborhood can be seen as a window that shows people the city's early development, but which has, despite its historic nature, avoided commercialism. Historically, the planning department's position has been to discourage less restrictive zoning, particularly in residential areas. Another neighborhood and the planning department opposed the recent request by Cargill site for rezoning to an ethanol plant. The planning department's position was that once rezoned, the future of the site could not be assured. The same applies to this situation. If rezoning goes forward, future uses of this site become much less restricted. I question the position presented in the plan commission meeting where Alderperson Montemare stated that the building could never be used as a residence because it would cost too much to renovate. She ignored that to convert to a commercial use would be much more costly due to commercial codes, ADA requirements, and more. She also ignores the obvious evidence, the neighborhood itself. These homes have been remodeled. They have been improved. The neighborhood should be complimented for its turnaround, not challenged by this inappropriate use. As a realtor, I would ask you to examine your asking price. Building is put on the market last June of 08 for $250,000. Excuse me, Mr. Rekard, the three minutes are up. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like on the hearing only address the council? Is there anyone else? Is there anyone else? President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to close the hearing. Second. Motion in second to close hearing under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Hearing is closed. Next item on the agenda, 18-1 through 18-23. Consent agenda. President Hanna. Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. I would make a motion and all ROs be accepted and placed on file and all RCs be accepted and adopted. Second. Thank you, motion on second. All in favor? Requests? Thank you, Your Honor. If I could ask please to have 18-5 pulled out for a separate vote, please. Okay. Make a motion. I'd like to move that 18-5 be pulled. Okay. No. Well, I thought you wanted to inform of a motion. I'm sorry. Right. The reason I'm asking for this is because the council had asked that action be taken regarding that small parcel of land on the south side that would have completed our child safety zones. And I want to just pulled out separately because in response to that and the pledge to get that taken care of and working with older person Clayunas Decker, Ryan Flesh, and Wells, a lot of help from city attorney McLean and the planning department and engineering department. We got it all platted out and this completes the child safety zones in the city. Thank you. Do we need a motion to accept and file the RO? I move to accept and file the RO. Motion and second. Any discussion on, yes, I want one. Discussions on 18-5? On 18-5, the motion is to accept and file. And pass the rest. And pass the rest. And pass the resolution. Any other discussion? Please call the roll. Foran. Hi. Bauch. Decker. Gisha. Hi. Hannah. Hydemon. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunas. Ryan. Hi. Sirich. Hi. Verhastelt. Hi. And Wongamon. Hi. 14 ayes. Motion carries. All in Wongamon. I'd like to pull out document number 18, the council document number 18-20. 18-20. For a separate vote. Okay. Would you please make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee? Make a motion to accept and adopt the report. And the resolution. Is there a second for that? Second. Under discussion. All in Wongamon. It seems to me as though this is a bit premature when we have a remodeling of City Hall coming. What disturbed me a little bit was the fact that we would be leasing this office for two years. And such a lease may be hard to get out of when we have apparently a lot of space in City Hall. So I would rather see that this document be held until such time as we can determine what the actual use for the first floor of City Hall is going to be. And is there a demonstrated need? I know everybody would like a larger office, but is there a demonstrated need when the city is trying to economize in every possible way? Thank you. Alderman. Thank you, Your Honor. If I could just get clarification because I had originally heard and thought I read that it was a one year lease. And then I know Kim tonight said it was two and her presentation said it was two. But I think it might just be one if we could just get clarification on that. Paulette, please come up. Thank you, Mayor and Common Council. It is a two year lease. And that was actually at the request of the department. We're going to have to make some investments in order to make the move that have to do with the technology, telephone, the internet connection slash connection that we use. And so in order to make that investment, we did request that it be a two year commitment with them all. Okay, Alderman, President Hanna. Thank you. My question is for Paulette. Will there be signage on Kola Memorial indicating that the Tourism Office is locating that mall? We're working on signage on both Kola Memorial if we're allowed to put that up as well as in the future on I-43 so that we can have some type of directional. And then there'll also be some signage on the mall itself, which will say something to the effect of we'll have the city's logo along with visitor information and so that it's very visible. And I think it'll work well for the division as well as, as Kim had mentioned before, we're trying to attract people to Memorial Mall. Hold on a minute. Vice President Borne. Thank you, Your Honor. If I remember correctly, when this came to finance last week, I think it was only a one year lease. Has that been a recent? I don't have the document with me. Alderman Gishe, can you refresh my memory on that? Oh, Alderman Gishe? Thank you. I remember it. I think our read of it was that it was a one year lease. We could have read it wrong. So I remember going over the numbers on it. And I recall it being a one. But again, it was one of many documents coming through there. While I've got the floor, please, Your Honor, if it's all right. I have a question for Paulette. The funds for this doesn't come out of our general fund, correct? Correct. It comes out of the tourism funds, which is on the dollars that we see come from the room tax money, correct? Correct.  Now we're going to spend $100 a month. And I understand, I agree with Alderman Gishe, we need to start moving in over this time period. I think that's part of the plan. The office is back into city hall. But a tourism department is a little different, isn't it? From a visibility standpoint, can you give us your opinion on that? Yes. That's my opinion. That's been my opinion since we created the division of tourism is that being a part of planning and development wasn't the right location for them. But at the time, it's very cost effective when you could get the division up and running immediately. So we've always been looking at another location. Eventually, there may be the opportunity to have an office with the Chamber of Commerce if they're fortunate in building their building. But to move into city hall, I think, would be a mistake. Not that it won't work, but that division needs visibility. OK, we've got one more. Alderman Gishe, for Paulette. Thank you, Your Honor. Yes, I do have a question. Just to clarify, this will be the entire tourism division located out there, or simply a marketing extension of the tourism division that's located downtown here? It'll be the two people that work for tourism. Right. I'm taking a liberty there, but that will be the entire. Yes. OK, thank you. Thank you. And Alderman Kettleson. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you. I did have some calls on this, Paulette.  After, can you comment on that? We had considered other locations that became available most. And you can see that $100 per month plus utility. Utilities is very, I don't want to say, it's very affordable. We looked at other locations that were much more expensive. And tourism, the city of Sheboygan, is not responsible for the maintenance of that structure. It's not actually a much larger space. It's 1,000 square feet. And it has that outside access so that we're not relying on mall hours. They can be open when they want to be open, as far as on the weekends or other special events, holidays, things such as that when potentially the mall isn't open. Can I ask, and again, looking at the photo on the back, is that how it's going to look with visitor information? That's proposed. That's the proposed. We don't have a proof sign either by Kim is receiving quotes now, I think, from three companies taking a look at signage, but it hasn't been permitted or approved. Those are suggestions. Just suggestions. And you will have a sign that will be tall. I mean, that people coming off the highway will know that our tourism division is there at the mall. Kim has one photo in there. But we're also looking at a sign that would face north. So as you're driving on Kohler Memorial Drive, it would be very visible. OK. All right. Thank you. Stay there, Paulette. May I have some almond bough? Not for Paulette though, if you want a general discussion. OK. almond bough, no, Paulette. OK, thank you, Paulette. Almond bough. OK, thank you, Your Honor. I was just cranking up. I appreciate Alderman Wongamans' desire to be as efficient as we can. Paulette chases after about 325. Excuse me, Kim chases after $325 million a year in money people bring to our community. And by going to this location, for two years worth of rent and utilities, it's going to cost about $8,000. So to put us in a better location in the city, for $8,000 when we're chasing after almost $700 million during that time, I think it's probably the wise thing to do. And Omen Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I got to thinking more about this one or two year thing that Alderman Bourne brought up. I think we're going to have to put in a fax line and some telephone service and signage. And signage isn't necessarily cheap. So the more I think about it, it's a better situation, I agree, with the two years. I think we were kicking around one year at finance because of the way we read the document. But it makes sense we're going to have some investment in that. And again, it's tourism money, not taxpayer, general fund. It's not your tax dollars. It's room tax money going into it. So I do support the two years. And considering those numbers that Alderperson Bach brought up, it would have been 10 times more of our expense out if we hadn't sought out this other $100 amount of opportunity. I think we're prepared to pay $1,100. So congratulations to them. Thank you. OK. Did you want to speak again, Alderman Kielsen? OK. Please call the roll. Boke? Let me explain it. And I means to grant it. No means. OK. Thank you. Decker? Aye. Giesha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Clayunas? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Ryan? Aye. Zurich? Aye. For Hasseld? Aye. Wankerman? No. Inborn? Aye. Thirteen Ayes, one No. Motion carries back to 18-1 through 18-23, excepting 18-5 and 18-20. Any more discussion? There is none. Please call the roll. Decker? Aye. Giesha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Clayunas? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Ryan? Aye. Zurich? Aye. For Hasseld? Aye. Wankerman? Aye. Boran? Aye. And Bauch? Aye. Fourteen Ayes. Motion carries. Communications and Petitions, 18-24, and 18-5 to be referred. Reports of Officers 2, 18-26 by the City Plan Commission recommended rezoning property located at 1926 Burden Drive from Class Neighborhood Residential and Suburban Residential to Class Neighborhood Office Classification. All in one, Montemayor? Thank you, Your Honor. I move to accept and file the aroh and the ordinance be put upon its passage. Is there a second? Second. Motion and second. Under discussion. Alderman? Wankerman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We've listened to several people here tonight, and I certainly support their views. It seemed to me, and I'm no expert on rezoning, but in the past that we had always shied away from piecemeal zoning. In other words, I was always led to believe we zone areas and not individual properties to avoid a checkerboard sort of a situation to occur in the city. And I think there are the people who live in this area have valid fears or valid complaints. And with those thoughts in mind, there's no way that I could possibly support this document. Thank you. Okay. Alderman Verhassel. Thank you, Your Honor. I have a question either for a member of the City Plan Commission or the Director of Planning, but I guess listening to some of the constituents here speak tonight, I am curious, what is the parking plan? That was brought up numerous times. What is it? What? The parking plan. Has it been defined? I assume when we embark upon such a project, that's a key facet of it. I'd like to hear what the parking plan is. Paulette. Thank you. This is a, there's a couple steps to this process. The first step is the rezone. And city staff felt that it wasn't appropriate to jump ahead and start dealing with the parking issue before the zoning was accomplished on this site, if at all. You know, if it passes tonight. So what the process would be is if the rezone would occur, and let's say the use would be proposed as a, you know, bake-ash cafe, that business would have to go through the conditional use process. Anytime there's an indoor entertainment food, I mean, that's what food is considered indoor entertainment. You would go through the conditional use process. Through that process, you deal with a variety of issues. The residents have valid concerns. Some of them are dumpsters. You know, it can be parking. The impact on the neighborhood, the hours of operations. The, the conditional use permit is very precise and very detailed. And that's what the potential, you know, let's say it's a new owner of that building would go through in order to get that, in order for that use to be allowed. So at that time parking would be handled. One of the, I guess as we were going through the sale process, you know, and we still are, one of the issues that has arisen is parking. Couple of the individuals that were potentially interested had brought, had mentioned off street parking or on-site parking. That's something that the staff has recommended against from the standpoint of, we feel if you put a parking lot on that site, that would be a, a larger negative impact on the neighborhood in particular that resident that lives to the West. They'd be looking at a parking lot. You know, another proposed, let's, let's say it flipped to residential. That's something that planning commission wouldn't have any control over. If it remained residential, someone purchased it for residential, they could actually put up a garage and the plan commission wouldn't have any sale over that. So just from a, you know, so that the common council knows from a parking, when, when dealing with the parking issue, we did recommend against on-site parking, what we thought we could do is potentially go through public protection and safety and potentially allow a few more spots on Brought and Drive for parking for the business. Follow-up? Yeah, if I may, if you honor. Alderman Wong, I mean kind of hinted to it, I guess, but I, I can't imagine this is a piecemeal approach. We must have a five or 10, 20 year plan. Can you share that for that area? Looking forward, I mean, is there a, a bigger plan looking at more commercial development in that area? Is this a once off? I wouldn't say that there's a, you know, there's a big push for more commercial development in that area. That, that piece of property is unique. It, it, you know, as was mentioned, you'll see a, an historic Ellis District neighborhood sign on that piece that will remain. We're not proposing to change the structure of that building. At least we aren't at this point. You know, and neighborhood office, that classification is the most restrictive classification that you could put on it next to residential. It, what it does is it allows, and many times it's through conditional use. Sometimes not if it was something like the literacy council that was in there before, that, that use, you know, could potentially be allowed without going before the plan commission, but restaurant cafe would have to. So it's, they are uses that are less impact on the neighborhood. There's, they're, they don't allow the density that some classifications can allow for. And that, that's a, it's a tricky piece because it was never residential. There was always some type of a, a service use in it. So we, I wouldn't say we, we definitely do not, we consider rezoning very serious and we look at it very closely. Do you personally envision there being more commercial development in that area? Is that, where that area is headed long, long, long term? I would say that, I would say no. If it is, it would be something like this that would be more of that. The neighborhood type of development, if you think back on maybe the meat market, the tiny small grocery store that served the neighborhood, now the coffee shop that would serve those, you know, either the neighborhood or the people that are visiting the beach. We have Alderman Ryan, Warren and Hannah questions for Paulette or not? Okay, Alderman Ryan. Stay there, Paulette. I do not have a question for Paulette. Okay, but you'll stay there because the other two do. Thank you, Mayor. This property falls in the center of the second Aldermanic district that is represented by myself and Alderman Bouch and the citizens of that district elected me to represent their interests and therefore I can't support this this evening. I don't think that this is a bad plan, a bad use of the property. It will take a property that is not on our tax rolls presently and we'll add it to the tax rolls for income for the city. However, my is to represent the interest of my constituents and therefore I cannot support this this evening. Thank you. Vice President Board. Thank you, Your Honor. Question for Paulette. Has the potential developer or developers given any indication whether they'll be able to use that building as it is now? Are they gonna tear it down and start over? Are they gonna be able to run it? Have they given any indication whether they can renovate it for the purpose that they have in mind? Yes, I have not heard that they're going to raise that structure and do anything different. You know, they may, through the conditional use permit, they may request some other additional items that you'd have to add to any building in order to run a business, but I have not heard that they're going to raise the structure. Thank you. President Hampton. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Paulette, can you give us just a little more history of what's been in that building over time? I know that the Literacy Council was there. And before that, you know, and it was before I was, I had worked for the city. The Girl Scouts had owned that property and then they gifted it to the city and there aren't any restrictions. We did do a title search on it. So we, you know, we do have the capability of selling it. So after the Girl Scout House Literacy, my understanding is a Literacy Council was in the building and then the Literacy Council kind of no longer existed and then that was absorbed into the family. Resource. Yes. Family Resource Center. Okay. Thank you. Next, we have Alderman Gisha. Not a question for Paulette, if somebody else has one. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Your Honor. It's kind of a neat Sheboygan tradition. We have little restaurants and things like that pocketing neighborhoods all over Sheboygan. North Star Bar and Alderman Zurich and my district, we can get a pizza, Bill's Restaurant, I think of Tipo and all sorts of things, all over town, talk about Sheboygan history. These little neighborhood gathering places are exist everywhere. I followed a case down in Milwaukee two and a half years ago now where this almost an identical situation, the city sold a pump house right in the lake, same other side of the street from the lake as we're looking at here. And the neighbors had valid concerns, they had valid fears just like we're hearing tonight. Altera Coffee took it over and renovated it into a, sounds like exactly what we're doing here now. It was a tremendous success and a wonderful thing for the neighborhood and the neighbors to be able to walk and have a little gathering place like we see all over Sheboygan. This isn't really anything unique to this as far as the city goes.  As far as the five or 10 or 20 year development plan down there, we have to think what if the YMCA and there's been some talk about them building a new facility someplace else. If the YMCA were to build someplace else, that would be a commercial development site. We'd be rezoning that area too. It's not checker boarding. It's as opportunities present themselves. So I see it as, I would love to have it next door to me at my house. I mean, it would be great. I think it'd be a nice, nice addition to that neighborhood just like it's been the same nice addition to virtually every neighborhood in town. Thank you. Next we have Alderman Bouch. Thank you, our process question for Paulette and then some comments if I may. So let's say this happens tonight, it gets approval. And then through the conditional use process, it becomes to where this gentleman wants out and doesn't want to take the offer anymore. So then what happens is this been designated NO. And then so a future, if a family bought it, they would own a home, but it would be in an NO district or an NO chunk of land. And then would we un-designate it? So it went back to residential, how would that work? Residential is allowed in neighborhood office. In an NO. Okay, so they could always go up and do more NO type stuff, but they could also live. Okay, thank you. Okay, so I live just a couple blocks from this. So these folks that spoke tonight are my neighbors and they're certainly my constituents. They've got very valid concerns. But again, I've been, I've heard a lot on this topic over the last two weeks, a lot of feedback via phone and email from our constituents and they're batting about 50-50. They're batting about 50-50. There are those who live very close, within two or three houses of it, who are very active and very vocal, which they should be, because it's gonna affect them the most. You get outside of that circle and there are lots of people saying I would love to have a place to stroll my baby down to and have a cup of coffee. Love to take my dog down, get a cup of coffee. Love to enjoy having this place nearby. I think what Alderman Gish has said about every darn corner in Sheboygan has a bar on it. I don't think we're doing anything earth-shattering here. Now that doesn't mean that we don't need to be respectful. And here, I talked to this fellow for about 45 minutes about his plans. He's a lifelong Sheboygan resident. He cares about the community. He wants to be a good neighbor. We talked about everything. We talked about the kids that gather across with their skateboards at the shower and overlook there at the beach. We talked about hours. We talked about noise. We talked about garbage. We talked about parking. He wants to resolve this and be a good neighbor. He wants to handle this as a good neighbor. He cares about the community. He loves Sheboygan.  He doesn't plan any structural changes externally, Alderman Bourne. He plans to use it as is and knock out a few interior walls or do whatever he needs to. He sees this as going after people on foot and people on bikes. And certainly, people will come via car to get their cup of coffee. But he sees it as getting people who live within walking distance or biking distance. That's who he's going after. He may have some music in the evening, some simple guitar stuff like they do at Z-Spot to bring people in at night. So there would be some night traffic for people who wanna listen to some night music. And the other reason I'm inclined to support it is because this isn't the end of the story. If we approve this tonight, he still has to get through the conditional use process where he has to list out these very serious plans, very detailed plans in ways that the neighbors will once again be able to speak up and voice their concerns about noise and garbage and height of buildings and signage and all that kind of stuff. So I'm inclined to support it tonight because I'm hearing about 50-50 from people who wanna enjoy this facility, but then those who are concerned about what it'll bring. And I think, again, looking further down the road as Alderman Verhassel asked, the armory is at risk. We don't know what the armory's gonna look like. We don't know what the YMCA's gonna look like. And we're putting really expensive condos on the river, a block away from this place or three blocks away from this place. As we try to get more people using the waterfront in different and enhanced ways, this is something that people can go and spend their money at. And it could be the beginning of a revitalization commercially of that area in a way that's respectful of the neighborhood. So I'm gonna support it tonight, trying to be respectful of the 50-50 nature of what I'm hearing, but also wanting to be very aware of the concerns of the folks that will be affected the most. I'd encourage you to vote for it and then let the conditional use process make sure that the guy's gonna be a good neighbor. Thank you, Your Honor. And we have one more. Alderman Clayton, do you wish to ask Paulette? Yes, I do. Thank you, Your Honor. Paulette, we have an Other Matters item number 1844, which is a petition from people who don't support the placement of this business. What was the process? How did people know that? Have people known about this or has this kind of gone under the radar? And now it's becoming an issue. I mean, how has this been communicated these plans to the neighborhood? Typically, for a reason, the process is the public hearing tonight. Tonight, okay. And there's a, we have legal notification process for the neighborhood. So you have the public hearing tonight. We also took it a step further for plan commission and notified the surrounding neighbors so that they would have notice and they could speak at the plan commission meeting which they did. So that was really an extra notification step. So it's published, it's noticed, they have a right to speak tonight. And then it's really up to the common council. Follow up? Just a follow up question then. So people had a chance to speak at the city planning commission meeting and people did come? Yes. Okay, they were heard. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. I will call the vote on 1826. The motion has been made to accept and file and put the ordinance upon its passage. Please call the roll. Yes, sir. And I vote would be to change the zoning. Yes. Aye. Hannah. Aye. Heidemann. No. Kittleson. Clayunas. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemay or? Aye. Ryan. No. Suric. For Hasselt. No. Wongerman. No. Boran. Aye. Bauch. Aye. Decker. Aye. Nine eyes, five noes. Motion carries. Turn to McLean. Thank you. On a zoning amendment where there is a protesting petition file that requires a three-quarters vote of the entire membership of the council, which would require 12. Now, the one thing I'm not aware of at this point and I didn't bring my statute books or the zoning code is whether the document that's in other matters, that's the petition, qualifies as a protesting petition under the statutes. So I'd have to look at that tomorrow, but that may be an issue. If it does qualify as a protesting petition, it certainly is a petition objecting to the rezone, but whether or not it meets all the technical qualifications, if it needs to be, for instance, signed by a notary public, which this is not, that would impact whether that would qualify. But so if it does qualify as a protesting petition, the vote needed three-quarters of all the members of the council and didn't obtain three-quarters. Hold on, Bauch. Thank you, Your Honor. Just a question about people who, on this petition, do they just need to be city residents or do they need to live in the district affected by the movement? I believe the city residents, but again, I don't have the statute. As many of these people have nowhere near the place. I'd have to look at it tomorrow. Okay, thank you. What was the vote? Nine to five. Nine to five. The motion carries as it stands now. To be referred, 1827 through 1834, resolutions introduced three, 1835 by Alderman Montemayor, authorizing enter into a shared services agreement with Sheboygan County for shared purchase and agent services. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you, Your Honor. I ask for a suspension. Is there a second to that? Second. Is there any objection? There is none. Please proceed. I move the resolution to be put upon its passage. Motion in second. Under discussion. The Alderman-Wongerman. May I ask what the reason for the suspension of the rules is? Yes, of course. The reason, I'm sorry, the reason is that as Chairman Van der Steen and Adam Payne indicated that the plan has been and the work has been put forth towards having this agreement take place at the beginning of the year, we do not meet again until the 5th of December, I believe. So we're hoping that we can follow through with this thing and approve it tonight. And as the year kicks in, the agreement would kick in two for six months. Okay? Thank you. Alderman Claynus. Thank you, Your Honor. I just want to say thank you to the county officials that came. It was nice to have you on our ground to say what your support for this because I sometimes feel as if we don't always hear you speak to us. And so I appreciate you taking the time tonight to come. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, the motion has been made. Please call the roll. Hannah. Heidemann. Heidemann. Kittleson. Heidemann. Montemayor. Heidemann. Ryan. Heidemann. Zurich. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Boren. Heidemann. Bocke. Heidemann. Dekker. Heidemann. And Gisha. Heidemann. 14 ayes. Motion carries. 1836, lies over. The report of committee four, 1837, lies over. The report of committee eight, 1838, by finance. In the 2008 budget, established revenue and appropriation for donation received for records retention. Alderman, Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. And accepting the adopted meeting, report. And accepted, adopted, reported. I did that twice tonight. Thank you. Thank you. And there's a second, 1838, under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Heidemann. Heidemann. Kittleson. Heidemann. Montemayor. Hi. Ryan. Hi. Syracke. Hi. For Hassel. Hi. Wangaman. Hi. Boran. Hi. Boke. Hi. Dekker. Hi. Gisha. Hi. And Hannah. 14 ayes. Motion carries. 1839, by finance, recommended authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget. Established revenue and appropriations for fundraising activities by the International Committee at Mead Library. Alderman Gisha. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that we accept and adopt the report of committee and put the resolution upon its passage. Motion and second, under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunas. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Ryan. Hi. Syracke. Hi. For Hasselt. Hi. Wangaman. Hi. Boran. Hannah. Hi. And Heidemann. Hi. 14 ayes. Motion carries. Orguses introduced, 11, Vice President Bourne. Thank you, Your Honor. On document number 1840 and 1841, I ask for suspension of the rules. Sir. Is there any objection? There is none. Please proceed. Your Honor, I'd like to make a friendly amendment to both 1840 and 1841. Do I take them all individually or both at the same time? Can you make a motion first to just pass the ordinances? Sure. Make a motion to put the ordinances upon their passage. Second. Motion to second. Under discussion. Then the amendment. All in the board? On the amendment, first of all, on document 1840, after under section one, and then where it says delete, and then it says underneath there, it says add. I want to make the amendment that would read, add one handicap parking stall behind City Hall immediately east of the back door, and add one handicap parking stall in front of City Hall that would be the north side of Center Avenue, immediately west of the City Hall driveway. And then it would go on to read, and the rest of it would read and extend the 30 minutes parking City Hall business zone along the north side of Center from 140, 146 feet to 178 feet east of the east curb line of North 9th Street. And that was your motion? That was my motion. This is motion to amend. In a second, under discussion, on the amendment only. Is this just on document 1840, correct? No. Yeah, but you're not amending 1841 at all. Well, I am going to, but first of all, just on 1840. Under discussion, this has been a very severe winter so far, and adding these handicap parking places will make it easier for our physically challenged citizens to conduct business at City Hall, again, especially during this severe winter we've been having. And I want to compliment the janitorial staff and also the public works department for doing an excellent job, both in back of City Hall, clearing snow, and then in front of City Hall, including the curbs, so that it is easy for all citizens to get out of their car and come into City Hall. Thank you. On 1840, on the amendment only. Please call the roll. We can do it all at once. Sure. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Now I need a motion to pass as amended. Motion to pass as amended? Motion second. Under discussion. There is not this one. We will call the roll. Yep. All right, this is for 1840. Clayunas, Meijer, Montemayor, Ryan, Zurich, Verhassell, Wongaman, Boren, Bulk, Decker, Yesha, Hannah, Heidemann, and Kittleson. 14 ayes. Motion carries. 1841, Mr. President Boren. Thank you, Your Honor. I would like to also make that friendly amendment and on document 1841, it would be under section one. And the second paragraph starts to remove any. And then between there and section two, I would like to add my amendment. It would be the exactly the same amendment as I made on 1840 with the exception of the last word and would not be in there. Okay, there's motion second to amend. Any further discussion? There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Motion to approve as amended. Motion and second. Under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Meijer. Meijer. Montemayor. Meijer. Zurich. Aye. Verhassel. Aye. Wangaman. Aye. Boren. Aye. Boke. Aye. Dekker. Aye. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Klanes. Aye. 14 ayes. Motion carries. Before we do other matters authorized by law, I'm going to jump to 1728, which is resolution number 1660809 by Alderman Montemayor. Authorizing, executing the purchase and sale agreement as LLC. And that has been noticed. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you, Your Honor. I move the resolution we put upon its passage. There's second. Motion second. Under discussion. Thank you, Your Honor. We brought this forward. I was asked to bring it forward by the planning department because we already asked this at plan commission. It was just coming around to plan commission the second time, which was last Tuesday during the snowstorm, which we did not meet. So I was asked to bring it tonight. And I think it would be wonderful. We pass this and we get this on the tax rolls and we had a good bid on this piece of land better than we expected. Thank you. Vice President Borne. Thank you, Your Honor. If I could ask either Alderman Montemayor or Mr. Bittner whether this piece of city property was ever considered as a salt shed? In lieu of building the one that we talked about a few weeks ago, would this be a possible use for that property or isn't it compatible at all? Mr. Bittner, would you please come up to the podium? I'll be right with you, Steve. Thank you. It was considered last year when we got into trouble with salt for about five minutes till I walked through it and realized it does not have the clearances. The building just physically does not work. If you understand, we have to load front-end loaders and do that type of stuff. It's much more of a storage building. Thank you for the information. Thank you. Attorney McLean. Thank you, Your Honor. I was just looking at Robert's rules of order, as far as discharging the committee of the document. And I think it looks like we need to take an action, make a motion to discharge the committee. I guess that's not what I mentioned to the clerk as I was walking in, but just looking at the rule and I think there should be a vote on the motion to discharge the committee before you act on the main motion. OK, 1728, we will hold a vote on that. President Hanna, motion? Yes, I'd like to make a motion to discharge the committee. Second. Motion and second. Under discussion. All in favor say, aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Now we're back to 1728. Motion to put the resolution upon its passage. It's been second. Any discussion on that further? Alderman Rihassel. Thank you, Your Honor. Just wanted to clarify, this is directly opposite from the DPW station down at New Jersey, correct? Can I also ask who Coppercraft is, what their business is? I'm not sure what it is. I'm sorry, we have no idea who this is moving into this property. I mean, is it a petroleum distillery? What is exactly are we doing with here? Thank you. No, it's not petroleum distillery. Thank you, Your Honor. It's a gentleman who has something else similar down there and he wants to expand and make it bigger. And it was a person that the plan commission was familiar with and it's all perfectly reputable. But I can't say, it's definitely not petroleum. Paulette? I guess my question was, following up to that, was there any need for an environmental impact study being that it's proximity on the river? Is that? I'll have, yes, we discussed that. Paulette? And they already have another facility and they're talking about relocating onto one site and they are fully aware that the majority of that site is in the floodway. And that was just close to them and they're willing to handle that situation. I think it's essentially three-fourths of the site. OK. Thank you, Paulette. Any more discussion? There is none. Please call the roll. Meijer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Ryan? Aye. Suric? Aye. Perhastelt? Aye. Wongamon? Aye. Boran? Aye. Bauch? Aye. Decker? Aye. Gisha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleston? Aye. Playunas? Aye. Forteen-eyes? Motion carries. Other matters authorized by law, a turn in the clean. 1842 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2009 and June 30, 2010. That will be referred to law and licensing. 1843 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from Rob and Linda Eckers stating their objections to the rezoning of property located at 926 Broughton Drive for commercial use. That will go to city plan. 1845 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from Chief Kirk and Todd Prevee, Community Policing Unit of the Shpoigan Police Department, requesting the installation of neighbors against drug signs for the following areas. OK, hold on a minute. OK, that goes to public protection and safety. You need to do 1844. Yeah, there you go. 1844, a petition from the neighbors in the immediate area of the proposed rezoning of the property located at 926 Broughton Drive and stating their opposition to the rezoning. That goes to city plan commission, yes? Just a quick question. So all of these folks are the area that built in there. Some are, some not. Thank you. Thank you. City plan commission continued. 1846 is a communication from John Burke III requesting a waiver allowing overnight parking on the north side of Uron Avenue directly in front of the St. Nicholas Apartments. That will go to public protection and safety. 1847 is a claim from Richard Van Haveren for alleged damages to his basement when a city sewer was found to be backed up on South 26th Street. It'll go to risk management. 1848 is a submitting an amended summons and amended complaint in the matter of Wells Fargo Bank versus Christian Ritt Miller et al. That will go to risk management. 1849 is a claim from John Routman for alleged damages to his mailbox when a snowplow hit the mailbox in post. Yeah, it will go to risk management. Need a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Read your post. We stand adjourned.


So, welcome to today's lecture. This is going to be last lecture of this course where we were like in this week we are discussing basics of solid state NMR and its application in structural biology. So till now we have discussed what kind of samples we can investigate in solid state NMR, what are the problem associated with solid state NMR and how we can resolve those. So two of the main component CP and mass cross polarization and mass help us to resolving the line broadness and low sensitivity. So to some extent we can get rid of those by employing those and I also discussed how to do resonance assignment in solid state NMR, what kind of pulse sequence you use, how we reintroduce the lost interaction which were lost because of magic angle spinning. So today we are going to discuss more in detail two of the major application of solid state NMR in two kind of biological system, one is amyloid fiber and another is membrane protein. Amyloid fiber I will discuss little in detail like little more detail than the membrane protein. So let us start with amyloid fibers. So now it has been shown that the actually it was proposed by Christopson that aggregation is a generic property of any protein.  So what happens when aggregation starts they actually partially unfold and they make some kind of intermediates which can form various kinds of aggregates. It can be amorphous aggregate or it can be ordered aggregate like a pore-like aggregate. Now these pore-like aggregates if it interacts with a biological membrane they forms pore in the membrane and because of that actually it cause toxicity. So you see the membrane is very tightly regulated entry point for anything and this pore actually punctures the membrane and that is how it becomes toxic. These oligomers can associate themselves into fiber-like structure which is called amyloid fibers and if you look at the tissue where aggregation of protein has been found one can look at the TEM picture the rod-like structure and this is amyloid fibers. So still lots of people are debating because now generally this is found in the age tissue sample the aggregates. So they are discussing whether the precursor of the amyloids like oligomeric states is toxic or the amyloid fiber itself is toxic or even does it has any protective function. So this debate is still going on. I will not go in this debate in this course this is a matter of another discussion but just to emphasize upon that all sorts of protein has probability to form amyloid fibers and these amyloid fibers are generally not soluble molecule. So there are some way we can get their structural information. One is by staining you can stain with some dye certain dye and look at in the cross polarized light. So if you look at the cross polarized light this is amyloid specific dye you can get a apple green by refrigence by staining those and amyloids the word derived because it is very strict starch light. So in cross polarized light you get a staining of these amyloid fibers with a certain fluorescent dye. So that is the one of the characteristics for staining. If you look at the TM and AFM you see fiber like a structure. So this is just morphology determination of the amyloid fibers typically with lower resolution structural entity you can see with CD that there is a minimized around 200, 18 or 215 this confirms that these aggregated structure are rich in beta sheet. And similar thing is corroborated with FTIR this is amyloid staining you can see the wave number of 1635 which corresponds to the beta strand or beta sheet structure that is found in FTIR spectrum.  You cannot do crystallography but still you can do fiber diffraction and you get two characteristic reflection one at 4.8 another at 10 and this particular pattern of reflection of the amyloid fibers in fiber diffraction pattern suggest that they have a cross beta structure where the beta sheet is in this axis and beta strands are arranged here. So enter sheet spacing is about 10 strand and inter strand spacing is about 4.8 angstroms. So these are the characteristic features but this is of course not the atomic resolution or high resolution structure. Now another important features of the amyloid fibers that they have various polymorphic structure the strands that we saw in the previous slides they can be arranged in a various fashion like this is secondary structure where beta strands are there it can be arranged in a particular fashion to tertiary structures it can have a parallel orientation it can have anti-parallel orientation and those leads to the polymorphic structure of these proteins the amyloid proteins and so actually it is very important to understand looking at them just morphology is not enough it is important to understand their quaternary level structural arrangement to investigate their property. Now I will today I am going to focus one of the protein which is alpha-synuclein this aggregates and cause the second common neurodegenerative disease which is called Parkinson's disease. It was first investigated by Sir Williams Richards Grover PD in 1986 and it has a clinical feature like movement disorder muscle rigidity tremor slowing of the physical movement in extreme cases and loss of physical movement ok. So what happens in this disease some protein gets aggregated in the neurons of the brain and this portion where they get aggregated is called substancian diagram. So in normal because of aggregation what happens that cellular communication gets impaired. So in normal condition here is a neuron and that is communicating with another neurons using neurotransmitters however in case of Parkinson's disease the protein aggregates makes lewis body and because of that the communication between neurons is impaired and that leads to movement disorder. So this lewis body is found in the diseased brain. So these lewis bodies are made up of various kind of beta-seed structural arrangement which can be seen in the amyloid fibers and one protein which is responsible for this amyloid formation is known as alpha-synuclein. However over the years of research proposed that although the clinical features look more or less same in Parkinson's disease but causative agent alpha-synuclein has various mutations and these are familial mutations. So there are mutation at 53 position H converts to T, E converts to K like E 46 K, A 30 P. So these are various familial mutant across the globe people had investigated. The question to ask that in case of different Parkinson's disease in different people are the protein that is there having some mutation are they going to form same kind of fibers. So this we can not answer unless until we have a detailed structural investigation. Just looking at the gross morphology of the amyloid fibers is not good enough to investigate what is real causative species whether it is oligomer and oligomers are different or same or what is happening. So one need to have a detailed investigation of these. Now Ronald Milky found it out that there are various strain behavior that has been shown in alpha-synuclein propagation. So here is a neuron this is the place where the protein gets aggregate, this is the protein alpha-synuclein and it forms two kind of polymer. The polymer one which was looking more straight and this was looking elongated and sheet like a structure. So strain one spaghetti type strain two was more straight kind of like more straight but twisted these kind of structures they are fine and they saw that they are showing different strain behavior. So like various causative disease are caused by different strain. So here again it is a protein strain that is different in two different patients. So that kind of polymorphic nature also this protein exhibit and they have a different functional property as well. So the toxicity with different strains is different. The binding propensity to the cell membrane is different. Also the seeding capacity how fast they spread is also different. So this proves the case for looking at the detailed investigation of these amyloid fibers using one of the technique that we can do it. Now over the years solid state NMR has been proved to be a very aptly suited technique for detailed investigation of these primarily reason that you do not require any long range order for doing solid state NMR. Neither you require solubility as we discussed. So these protein can be isolated or grown in bacteria and obtain the particular kind of morphology just go for solid state NMR to get the hydrogen structure aspect. So let us see what we can do with solid state NMR. So one thing is clear that all protein like all amino acid in protein will not forms the aggregated core. There will be probability that some remains still flexible. So first let us edit this amyloid fiber based on the motion. So now suppose a particular portion of protein is aggregating and this remains unstructured here is the aggregated protein structure. So we can employ some kind of pulse sequence where we use solution like concept of transfer of the magnetization and here we are using solid state like concept to transfer the magnetization. So if you remember this is J-based transfer we are doing. So for J-based transfer what has to happen? Dipolar coupling should be average right. So then only the dominant transfer mechanism will be J-based. So we can if you do that we can investigate the flexible portion of the protein and in this pulse sequence what we will do we just using this T2 filter cloud signal from the flexible portion and have only signal transfer through dipolar coupling for the rigid portion. If you do this complementary experiment of the flexible portion as well as for the rigid portion we can find it out the portion which is involved in the aggregation and portion which just hangs around. So for this kind of flexible portion, mobile portion you can we can use inept based transfer or ineptopsy and here we can use PDSD dipolar based transfer. Using this two solid state complementary solid state experiment we already dissected the amyloid fibres in two portion one which was a rigid one which is flexible. So that is already a good start right. So we can identify the amino acids that are not actually forming the core of the fibres and which forms the core of the fibre using this dipolar based transfer. Good. So after identification let us now focus this is easy right. Yes we know how to identify using our liquid state concept. Let us focus more into dipolar based transfer. So I am just starting with a PDSD that we discussed in our previous class. So if we take the amyloid fibres this was 13C and 15 leveled, grown in bacteria put at right condition which form the fibres and you can see beautiful fibre like a structure using electron microscopy. So this is the our materials that we are investigating. This resembles the brain fibre structure but for NMR purpose we have leveled with 13C and 15. Now we record the carbon-carbon correlation spectrum using proton driven spin diffusion condition and here are the parameters recorded on 850 MHz spinning speed was 11 kHz and mixing time of PDSD was 20 millisecond. So what we expect to see mostly intra residue correlation and that is what we see here. So let us see from the previous class now you can appreciate what this could be. It is a serine C alpha C beta. Serine C alpha C beta so if you will draw it here it is the same peak on two side of diagonal here is the C alpha backbone and this is the C beta. So serine C alpha C beta what is here this is threonine C alpha C beta. So what we see that in this we see at least three serine and about 10 threonine that can be investigated. Now looking at the other region this region if you remember this region we had discussed this is actually alanine region. So we can identify sparagine region. This region is little crowded and here we have lots of amino acids like E, K and all those. This is again threonine C gamma and here is our valine C beta and C alpha C beta C alpha C gamma correlation. So in this region we can find it out I just write it for you to identify alanine serine threonine it can be D or N and this can be E, K this is threonine again this is K and this one is V. So these are various reasons that we can identify. Now here if you look at this region is isoleucine. So we can start assignment from all over the anywhere whatever I identified and you can use the pdst or dar of different mixing time to introduce the inter residue context and that will help us in assignment that is what we have looked. So today again I will emphasize on this. So these are the starting point of the assignments. Now if you look at some of the peaks looks really crowded. So it is not so easy to assign these but then we have to combine this with some higher order structure or we have to do simple various sample preparation to reduce the complexity. So what kind of sample preparation we will do just briefly I will discuss with you. So first scheme can be non-diluted sample where all the molecules of the amyloid fibres are going to be 13C and 15 labelled uniformly 13C and 15 labelled. So we are growing our bacteria in 13C and 15 labelled media and all alpha-synuclein whatever it has made was 13C and 15 labelled we aggregated those and this is our non-diluted sample. The next sample we can do to reduce the intermolecular context by diluting it. So what we can do we can take one labelled molecule and mix with various unlabeled molecule. So this will be statistically distributed and one can have diluted sample or we can even have a mixed sample where one molecule will be exclusively and 15 labelled another molecule can be exclusively 13C labelled something like that. So this will be mixed labelled. So for uniformly labelled sample you have to start with 13C and 15 labelled glucose or glycerol and we can have even diluted samples depending upon how we want to spin dilute it you can use one 3 labelled glycerol or 2 labelled glycerol or various glucose as well. So these are various sample preparation schemes or labelling scheme that is employed for very sample preparation. Next let us start with simple uniformly labelled sample where we are combining now here is our NCA spectrum like nitrogen 15 and C alpha correlation. Here is our NCO experiment and this is the section taken from PDSD this is also section taken from PDSD this was carbonyl region and this is aliphatic region. So let us start with any amino acid that we like it. So as I said serine was very nice coming at distinct position so here is our serine. Now we are choosing one of the amino acid from serine here is our S87 this is C alpha C beta correlation. We can go up by aligning in NCA correlation we can find this is serine 87N right. So here is my serine C alpha H C beta OH right so here is CO. So this serine C alpha we are getting it here in NCO correlation just above this this is serine residue and this is C alpha of serine residue this is C beta of serine residue. Now we can go one step backward and in NCO correlation we can find that the at the same N15 position the CO of 86 is coming. So we can identify I minus 1 CO which was this so this correlation we identified it. So this is NCO correlation so we identified this. Now we are using this CO we can go here and we can find it out the 86C alpha CO correlation wonderfully depicted in the CC correlation spectrum of PDST. Now from here 87C beta we can go to 87C beta CO correlation. So if you look at we identify C alpha C beta CO N15 of 87 we can walk above and we can see a correlation of 87CO plus 88N and that helps us in identifying 88C alpha. So now we can come here and we can find it out 88C alpha and then go to 88C beta C gamma C delta and so on. So by doing this exercise for few days or few weeks we can identify each of these amino acids from these even not so high resolution spectrum but then when we go to a region like whatever I showed you here it becomes really difficult where to put it. So we have to get a better spectrum and that better spectrum can come with a smart sample preparation. So what we need to do so if we just start with one of the carbon level and glucose like two carbon level glucose or one carbon level glucose you see we enhance the resolution many fold. So this is the spectrum coming from uniformly level glucose this is coming only from the second carbon level glucose and you can see that spectrum becomes beautiful although this is very expensive compared to this but you enhance the resolution quite a bit. And this is the same carbon-carbon spectrum that you see of course some of these correlation will be missing but that biochemistry one has to work what will appear and what will not appear but the same spectrum you can resolve drastically. Now such spectrum is really boon for the assignments. So this is called a sparse labelling where we can start with either first carbon level glucose or we can start with either second carbon level glucose and we get such beautiful spectrum where all peaks are separated. And then that can be used for resonance assignment that I discussed here is the carbon-carbon correlation spectrum is the carbon NCA spectrum, NCOA spectrum. So you can see here 44 TN C alpha going to 44 43 CO coming to here C beta 43 C alpha and 44 N and similarly we can work across the 44 42 C alpha C beta and all those. So even not only the same residue inter-racid correlation we can get it now the long range short range correlation depending upon how long we have mixed it and that helps us in precise resonance assignment. Just to repeat once again so we know that this region is serine C alpha we can go to N15 of serine C alpha C beta. Now from here we can see that this peak was connected to another peak which was C alpha. This is like a near neighbor residue correlation. So C alpha of 43 is obvious choice which will be connected because this region comes as a C alpha of 43. So this peak is 42 C alpha with 43 C alpha. Now we find it out 43 C alpha and we can go this is your 43 epsilon beta and all those. So therefore by doing this exercise for months and months we can find it out all the resonance assignment and once we find it out what is the next? Next is can we also so this is one we find all the resonances by doing month of exercise. But now the question comes that how these are arranged in a supramolecular structure that this we find it out about a sheet right one white one monomer that here is my same residue assignment here is my next residue how they are arranged in different sheets. So for doing that we can use one of the pulse sequence which is NHHC it starts with a proton transfer to nitrogen then transfer to carbon back to proton and detect on carbon. So that is a NHHC we can have a smart sample preparation scheme that I discussed in the first slide here here. So now here we are preparing a mixed level sample for one molecule is N15 exclusively N15 level another molecule is exclusively 13th level and if you imply that NHHC experiment we can find it out the orientation of these strands and that is what we are going to do now to find it out supramolecular arrangement of the of the fibres. So one we have mixed it N15 level sample with 13th level sample here and then we have implied this NHHC. So this correlation can be only established if we have the like distance of these two strands about 5 angstroms. So start with a proton connected to N transfer here and then using CP condition we established this correlation transfer to proton and then we mix the proton and detect on carbon. Now if you do that what we found on mixed level samples many of these residue are appearing in the red and this black was typical NCA. If they are appearing what they are saying that these strands are arranged in a cross position right it is a very close position and all those can be assigned because this was assigned the black spectrum is assigned all those wherever they are appearing one can find it out all these correlation. Now you can see if they are this peak is appearing that clearly says distance between these two strands were 4.7 or 5 angstrom. Now that is possible only if these strands will be arranged in a or the sheet will be arranged in a parallel in registered manner and that is what one can conclude here that different monomer in alpha-synuclein are arranged in a parallel in registered manner. Now we had all the assignment. So this was super molecular arrangement but how these different strands are arranged in sheet that we can find it out typically using carbon chemical shift and secondary structure calculation. You can use all those carbon chemical shift that or N50 chemical shift that we have assigned use in predicting prediction algorithm that is telos find it out that phi and psi torsion angle and then using that we can just plot it phi psi torsion angle and find it out from where to where this strands exist along the sequence of the protein. Then we can find it out the different strands that we have talked about say strain number 1, strain number 2 and strain number 3 even within the even the core is same but you can look at the secondary structural arrangement seems to be different in different core. So that actually initiates the strand behavior in different fibers because the strands positions and location and the length of the strand are different in alpha-synuclein fibers. But that is not enough for solving the structure. We found the secondary structure, the core of the fibers even we got some idea about super molecular arrangement but how they are arranged in 3 dimensional space for doing that you have to find it out long range distance constraints. So this can be done by experiment called pain or par or long mixing time previously not going detail but essentially what we have to do record longer and longer so that we see inter-residue distance constraints short range and long range distance constraints and if you can find all those assignments you are set to go for a structure calculation. The another thing you have to find mass per unit length so for that you have to combine another experiment called S T E M. So S T E M give you mass per unit length how many molecules will be arranged in particular mass. So here we get a tertiary arrangement here using this we can get a quaternary arrangement and using experiment like NHHC which gives us idea about the idea about the super molecular arrangement we club all these data and then using any of the structure calculation program like SIONA or SO or CNS we can solve the structure of the emerald fibers. So if you look at here this was solved by Chardinistar group of alpha-synuclein he found that monomeric alpha-synuclein the rigid core is from 44 amino acid to 97 amino acid and this expands up to 4.5 nanometer then using S T E M and long range distance constraint he solved the atomic resolution structure and this monomer were stacked in a parallel in registered manner where some portion was flexible and rest portion was rigid and he proposed a Greek key like arrangement for alpha-synuclein fibers. So this was this synuclein high resolution structure that was solved by Chardinistar group in 2016 and but this was fibers but micro crystalline protein was this is the first structure I especially I want to mention this was solved by Oskinart group of this micro crystalline protein and they actually first showed how you can use solid state NMR to solve a high resolution structure of spectrine SS3 domain and that was published in Nature in 2002. So since then lots of structure has been solved I just showed you one of the emerald fiber structure which was solved. So next five minutes or so I am going to give you a glimpse how you can use solid state NMR for investigating membrane proteins. So you know membrane proteins are very important proteins because lots of cellular functions are done by these proteins like a signal transductions for an example GPCR important class of protein this is a huge drug target G protein coupled receptors. There are pumps like a calcium ATPase or ion channel like a potassium channel all those are membrane proteins and they perform extremely extremely important function but getting their high resolution structure is difficult task because their native setting is membrane therefore they are they have a low solubility they have difficulty in crystallization. So we need to think to capture their structure and dynamics using native setup and membrane is their native setup so we have to put them in a right condition. You see one third of the proteins are membrane protein genome codes one third of membrane protein but structure solved is only 5% or even less than that because of difficulty. So it is still wide open field for using various biophysical technique to getting the structural arrangement. Membrane protein can be of different shape and size it can be integral membrane protein a single helix pass multiple helix pass like a helical bundle this is enzyme and transporter receptor this can be recognition receptor or beta barrel protein like transporters the channel protein it can be peripheral protein only portion of this protein will be membrane in membrane just hangs around. So you can see here is enzymes or transporters or carrier are of peripheral protein. One thing to important the sample preparation is really crucial because their native setting is membrane so you have to put in right condition it can be like earlier people are doing in micelles but micelle you can see it is a circular structure so there is a possibility of putting lots of pressure and this is a single layer right around shape. So detergent micelles is not so nice then people moved it to Bicellar confirmation. So Bicellar here you have a linear arrangement then you have circular arrangement this was this is used for liquid state. Then people evolve and they propose with a nanodisk where lipid is forming a nanodisk which was bound by a membrane scaffolding protein and membrane protein is embedded here. So nowadays this is one of the dominant system that is being used for studying the membrane protein but the natural moment is liposome can you constitute your membrane protein liposome if you constitute it now molecular weight increases manifold and therefore here comes the solid state NMR to investigate this protein. So in next few minutes I am just going to give you only one example of a membrane protein that is VDAC voltage dependent an ion channel this is a mitochondrial outer membrane protein it is involved in transport of NADH and ATP that you know that is a energy currency in the cell. So this is in mitochondria it has a profound role in energy transaction. So this has a beta barrel kind of a structure like here is a beta barrel and there is a short helix which works like a gate closing and opening mechanism. So here is a helix and it can flip here and out. So to understand the precise mechanism you need to have a structural information of this over the year people work hard and solve this structure. So Sebastian Heeler he solved the structure of VDAC using liquid state NMR that was published in Science. Then Christian Grissinger group using NMR and X-ray he combined these two techniques and solve it the structure. Then subsequently another X-ray structure came which we showed this structure. If you look at the important portion that is missing like if you look at the beta barrel more or less remain same but this helix which is the actual controlling unit of the VDAC function is different. Here it is more elongated and random coil here we see more formed helix. What is actual confirmation can we look at the details can we understand the mechanism of this using the better technique like a solid state NMR. So published 3D structures differ in functionality and important N-terminus region especially and native confirmation of the lipid because this was in solution lipid environment was different here it is a kind of mixed NMR and X-ray and this was kind of frozen. So let us look at in native condition. The one approach again put a right kind of lipid and solved in the LDAO micelles. So this was heeler solved in micelles. You can see here the flexible portion is still there this was a spectrum but in actual this should be an helix that is what X-ray structure said. So Adam Lange group tried putting in different membrane environment and you can see depending upon what is your choice of membrane they can put a lateral pressure or various sorts of pressure. So choosing the membrane environment is very important that can change your spectrum. So this optimization is required here I showed you a spectrum if you put in DMPC or DOPC. So if you see DMPC is of right length of your membrane protein DOPC is slightly longer. DOPE is putting a pressure on the membrane and that changes the spectrum minutely because this minute in change is very critical. So you have to choose a right kind of membrane environment and that depends upon your protein what kind of membrane setup you have to have for bilayer composition. So you have to do little bit of optimization but once they optimize it they solve the structure and what they found that the membrane this helix exist as a helix. It has a nice connection with one of the beta strands here and during its functionalities they showed it with various sample preparation this helix can open it. So this interaction between sheet, beta strand and helix one of the residue this can open it. So lots of dynamics associated with these membrane proteins which can be nicely captured if we design right kind of solid state experiment and that Robert Snyder published in 2010 in Nguyen Teng. See me. So that is what a brief introduction or the exposition of solid state NMR to investigate two difficult biological micro molecular system amyloid protein and membrane protein. This gives you lots of excitement where else we can utilize and how we can use this wonderful technique for answering the subtle questions that exist in biological system. So with this I would like to summarize what we discussed in this week. Solid state NMR has become a method of choice for complex biological micro molecules which are not amenable to liquid state which are not amenable to crystallography and also which are not very easily tractable by the cryo electron microscopy. All those can be investigated with solid state NMR. The one important part the dynamics associated with these molecules can be nicely investigated with solid state NMR just now I showed you for VDAC and that is a important advantage that can have solid state NMR. Now in solid state NMR we have to do a judicious combination of mass and different RF like we saw it that made it possible to look at the structural details and we need to also introduce recoupling sequence that does the selective manipulation for spin interaction that establish the long range interactions and that helps us in getting the structural and dynamics parameter from these micro molecules. So over the year a remarkable progress has already been made in various biomolecular system and that is how today solid state NMR has become so popular technique and lots of developments are happening to increase the sensitivity to increase the resolution to ask and answer difficult questions in biology. So this is the age that has come that now you can combine solid state NMR as a one of the major biophysical technique with other techniques to answer the questions in the native setting of the protein whether inside the cell or inside the membrane it is your question and your answer but solid state NMR has a significant role to play in coming years. With this I would like to close here and thank you very much for being part of this course. Thank you.