Greetings. Welcome to Working Together on Think Tech Hawaiʻi. I'm your host, Cheryl Krozier-Garcia, and on this show we talk about the impact of change on workers, the workforce and the economy. Today we're doing a little bit of a different show. I'm being joined by our president of Think Tech Hawaiʻi, Jay Fidel, and we are going to talk about recent presidential executive orders and actions being taken in the Senate, as far as confirmation and our recent attempt at an immigration ban. So, Jay, welcome to the show. Thanks for inviting me, Cheryl. Yeah, and we invite you to call in. You can do that by dialing in to the number you see on the bottom of your screen, or you can tweet us at Think Tech Hawaiʻi. So, Jay, you're an attorney, so you're well acquainted with the court process and how these types of arguments work. And you mentioned earlier that you have not had a chance to listen to the YouTube hearing, but how common is it that appeals hearings of this kind would actually be broadcast live? I hadn't heard that before. Federal court is usually tighter than a state court about such things, so I guess the judges decided it was okay. Good for them. Good for them on many levels. Good for them. Yeah, I listened to it, and it was done via conference call, which I think was another kind of interesting point. It was done in the ninth circuit because one of the major signatories to the as a plaintiff on the immigration ban was the state of Washington, but Hawaiʻi and a bunch of other states had also filed briefs in support of what Washington was doing, and they talked about things like lost revenues for colleges and universities, harm to the business community, as well as some issues around the ban, perhaps unfairly targeting folks of a particular religion, specifically in this case Muslims from the seven countries that had been targeted by this ban. But a couple of things just sounded really interesting to me that I am not completely familiar with as far as how government works. The first is the idea of the use of an executive order to actually make immigration law, and the second is actually having attorneys representing states or private organizations file suit against the president to protest a particular executive order. In your experience, is that a common occurrence? It wouldn't be in my experience, but I have heard that over the years and the 200-plus years of this country, we've had this before, and so not recently and not to the same scale or on the same issues or with the same intensity. It goes for the proposition that we are finding new boundaries here. We're finding new areas, new issues, new new adventures in appreciating the law of the checks and balances of our government, which is actually not a good thing because the checks and balances have been and are being tested here. Imagine for the United States attorney to come forward in the Federal District Court rather in the Ninth Circuit and say, it's not reviewable. What he does in Washington, it's not reviewable. You guys don't have anything to say about this. That's extraordinary. Now there are certain circumstances where de facto he can do things and there is no likelihood of review. But in this case, there were constitutional issues involved. In this case that were, as you said, a change in the immigration law perhaps without a statute that should have been passed in order to achieve that change. In this case, gee whiz. Yeah, gee whiz is right. Although I do think it's probably as good a time as any to begin challenging those boundaries of the Constitution. It's supposed to be a living document. Well, we'll see how good it is, won't we? You know, but I appreciate the thought and we could find out that it is just as resilient and flexible as we want it to be that it can change with changing times and deal with new issues. But we can also find, and I hate to think of this, that maybe it's not so flexible and maybe it doesn't work against the kinds of things that this president can do. I worry about that. Don't you worry about that? I worry about this president. He's testing the boundaries. Yes, indeed. He, a kid, on a road trip with her family in the backseat of the car with her sibling. And the kid wants to provoke some kind of interesting social phenomenon. So they go like this, poke, poke. And the next thing you know, the sibling is all upset and halls off and cracks the kid and the parents immediately blame the one that did the hitting and not the one that did the pushing. And I get a sense of our president that he's kind of the one that would would push a little bit to try and provoke some kind of combative response. Intentionally or otherwise. He's already done that. He may not mean it. On the other hand, he could be fooling us all about the relative level of his sophistication, political strategy, and you know, and end up being a very canny person and user of the legal system that we have in place right now. Well, that's the big question. Will the court system and checks and balances and the way the framers set it up with those checks and balances, will that work against the guy who seems to be lawless about the Constitution? Or can he find a way, you know, to break it and worry about that? Because we live in a social compact, an agreement, a basic understanding of all the people in this country that this is the document, this is the system. And if you start breaking the document, breaking the system, then where do we go from there? Well, we are supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of men. So John Adams said that he's my personal favorite. My favorite of all the founders is John Adams, because he didn't own slaves. Interesting. Yeah, he didn't. He was seeing ahead of his time. Well, he couldn't afford slaves. Okay, it was that simple. He was not a wealthy man. Did you see what happened in, was it Harvard? John Seacal, was it Harvard or Yale? John Seacal, changed the name of the building. Yeah. Well, which brings up another point to what degree does what we're doing right now represent kind of a revisionist approach to U.S. folklore, history, etc. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because the revisionist is the right thing. It's revision both ways. Some people want to revise this way. Some people want to revise that way. The ones who didn't want to see John Calhoun's name on the building, they were the ones who didn't like the fact that he was a supremacist. On the other hand, there are people now that want to be supremacists and are racist. And there's a surprising resurrection, a reemergence of racism in this country. And you pointed a little while ago, I think that some of the things, many, many of the things that Donald Trump has done actually foments this kind of new racism. It takes advantage of people's concerns about that. And then it elevates the whole controversy and we get into a new world that we don't like. Nobody likes that, but that's what's happening. I worry about that. Well, I don't know that nobody likes it. I think some people may like it. The majority of us probably don't like it. But when we begin to do things like change the names on buildings, Calhoun Hall is now Hopper Hall, Hooper Hall, Hopper, Hopper Hall. After Admiral Hopper, the genius computer scientist of her day. But when we change the names, because say Mr. Calhoun was a white supremacist and a pro-slavery person, we take away opportunities for dialogue going forward. So now young kids at Yale University, future generations, are not going to get to say, well, gee, how does Calhoun's ideas about race resonate with what's happening today? Oh, really. It does away with an opportunity to think about ideas in a very different way. That's an interesting point, Cheryl. At the time, building was named for him. He was a big deal. He was well respected. He was a part of American history for sure. We all studied him in school. We studied him as an icon of American history, supremacist and all that together.  And maybe that thins it down somehow and make it flattens it out, doesn't give us the rich panoply of American history that we need to appreciate. And the other thing too is, I think that when we take those names out of history, we're forgetting the fact that he wasn't alone in his opinions. And I would venture the opinion that when he was talking about white supremacy, he was indeed representing the majority of perhaps white thought at the time. Yeah, a lot of people thought of it. So is it reasonable to blame one person for the majority opinion of a time? He becomes iconic. He was probably somebody that iconic at the time, so he was the tip of the spear on that in some ways. But what I get out of this is that it was that controversy, it was that tension between guys like him and guys like who was it, Adams, who were more clear thinking about this. It's that tension that invented our whole system, our system of values. We may not be faithful to them these days. Sometimes I don't think we are. But at least theoretically, we have the system of pretty good values. And we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have those values except for that tension and the resolution of that tension. That's right. For example, the Civil War. But even the Civil War is not always a Civil War. If you look at textbooks that are published for, say, public schools in the US South, that period of history is referred to as the War of Northern Aggression. No, it really is. Right now. Yeah. I lived in Georgia for a while and when I started my graduate education, and so because I was not a student from Georgia, I had to take Georgia history. And so, yes, the Civil Wars referred to as the War of Northern Aggression. That's revisionist. Yeah. It is. I was shocked. Yeah, it is shocking. It's shocking that it exists today. But it shows you, and I would have to agree that the Civil War is not over. In many ways, it's not. But I would also submit that there's no such thing as a Civil War. Okay, go. We could have a seditious war, a war of sedition, where you have states pulling away from the Union. But war is, by definition, not a civil activity. Okay.  It was the most important thing that happened in American history until at least that time, and maybe it's still happening. And you know, I really feel that we haven't really resolved the issues that were raised, the Lincoln race and others were raising in the Civil War.  And I think there's a lot of people still studying it to see why the textbooks have the War of Northern Aggression, which is so ridiculous. But then, you know, part of that explains the vote on Trump, why so many people voted for Trump. They are in a different place. Yeah, that's true. And that's a bit of a Civil War role itself, don't you think? Indeed, indeed. And speaking of which, I think we need to look, since we're talking about the election too, as a matter of free-ranging conversation, the degree to which one of our governmental machines is perhaps obsolete, and that is the Electoral College. I know it may sound like sour grapes because Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but our new president won the Electoral vote. The Electoral College was originated at a time when communications technology and travel technology was such that it was difficult for people to get back and forth and to really cast an informed vote. I'm not sure that those difficulties exist now, so is it time, either, to say goodbye to the Electoral College, and thank you very much for your service. Well, a couple of thoughts about that. We've been talking about, to some extent, you know, first, the Electoral College, okay, was a compromise, because, you know, some states were bigger, some states were smaller, and this is the way you got them all to buy in. Electoral College kind of flattened that out, you know, sort of democratized the size of the states, just the way we have in the Senate, you know, two votes from each state. So, you know, it's not that it was a perfect idea. It was just a political compromise at the time. Secondly, you know, it hasn't always worked like you think, but thirdly, it really didn't work very well in this election. The popular vote was like nearly three million, you know, more for Hillary Clinton than Trump, and yet he wins, and people legitimately, you know, begin to question the Electoral College. Why can't we have a popular vote around the country? Why do we need this fiction? It really is a fiction, because, you know, the states are coming together, as you expect they would. We are one country. Why can't we just vote? At the beginning of his term, Obama wrote an article, which I caught, about why not just simply have voting on the internet? You know, let's take advantage of the technology, and the technology will drive us away from the Electoral College. Yeah, that's true, and our technology is telling us that it's time for a break. So, we are going to step away for a minute and let you see some of our other excellent programming on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm Cheryl Crozier-Garcia, and this is Working Together. We'll be right back. Hello, this is Martin Despeng. I want to get you excited about my new show, which is called Humane Architecture for Hawaii and Beyond, and it's going to be on Think Tech Hawaii from downtown Honolulu on Tuesday afternoon at 5 p.m. And we're going to talk about to make architecture more inclusive on the islands, which is one of the definitions of humane, which is being tolerant of, you know, many people of nature, of many other influences. So, we're going to have some great guests, like today's guest, for example, my collaborator, David Rockwood, who's the author of the awesome manifestation of humane architecture in the background. So, see you on Tuesdays, 5 p.m., and look forward to... This is Working Together on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm Cheryl Crozier-Garcia, and that is Jay Fidel. Hi, Cheryl. Hi. And Jay, we're sharing with us some ideas about the Electoral College. So, Jay, please, continue. Yeah, there's one more point I wanted to make with you, and that is, you know, the Electoral College, it's not going to be easy to change it. I mean, you suggested that that was coming time to change it, but how do you change it? You need, obviously, a constitutional amendment. That's where it's stated, and that's to pass through the states. And, gee whiz, I, you know, what, a state that benefits, you know, that has greater leverage because of the Electoral College international election is not going to want to vote for that. So, it's going to be a real mess to try to change it, and it probably won't, my guess, it won't be changed. So, we got it, it's part of the program, and I don't think we're going to change it. But I think the states that have the most electoral votes would also have the most popular votes. California has a pile of electoral votes, and they're also one of the most popular states. So, I'm not sure that folks that benefit, theoretically benefit from the Electoral College would not similarly benefit from a straight popular vote. I'd like to see that. I'd like to see the country come together on that. I'd like to see a popular vote, and I think the difference between the regions is not as great as it was. I mean, as you said earlier, I mean, it could be great distances, different cultures, different places. Now, we're more together, and we can probably do, we can probably govern ourselves without regard to an Electoral College. And the other thing, troubling about the Electoral Theoretically, the electors, the Electoral College, they don't have to abide by the vote in their community. That's really scary. In some states they do. It's state law. Yeah. Very interesting. It came up in this recent election. That's right, because we are learning new things every day. Indeed. We live in interesting times. Yeah, we do. The Chinese curse. Yeah, and it is a curse. But let's talk about, let's talk about STEM. Let's talk about, you know, what motivated, what motivated, I put it to you, what motivated the Attorney General of the State of Washington to bring that case to set aside and get a TRO against the immigration executive order? Well, they brought up a number of issues. And the first one had to do with loss of revenue because of international students entering into the Washington State University system. As you may know, the states have resident, non-resident tuition. International students pay non-resident tuition. So they become sort of a cash cow for the various public universities. So that was one thing. But the other thing that they brought up that I don't think that they made quite as good an argument with is the loss of potential STEM workers who would come into the U.S. via the H1B visa, work for a particular company who essentially is sponsoring them to get that visa. And without those workers, high tech industries, research, those kinds of things are really kind of lost. Well, you know, that's commentary on how we're doing today. I mean, you know, people argue that our educational system isn't up to snuff. Bill Gates used to make trips around the country trying to convince college kids to study computer science. It was singularly unsuccessful in that. And if you look at Microsoft or any of the big, you know, tech companies now, a good solid percent, maybe even more than half of their tech workers, you know, tech visionaries, their programming engineers, those sort of, you know, they're from other countries. And we are not training them here. Or they are not willing to be trained. I'm not sure what the answer is. I don't know why in this country where everybody worries about being employable, worries about losing his job in the coal mine. Why can't we study tech? What's the problem? I don't have a problem. But no, but I see what you're saying. And I think it's true that we need to get away from sort of the view that immigrants are taking my job. They're not taking your job because the majority of us don't do those STEM types of jobs that people are coming in to take. So that's one thing. The other thing is that we, as a country, have not done a good job of showing the sexy side of the STEM work. I'll give you an example. I have nephews who are of that age. They are millennials. And they, one in particular, is a computer genius, but he doesn't want to do the STEM work. No astronaut stuff, no none of that. He wants to design games. And the reality is there's probably more money in designing interactive computer games than there is in figuring out a way to get a group of human beings to and from Mars safely. Yeah. And one helps the other, too. The point is that we collectively, the country, the economy, we need people who know these areas, who are trained in these areas, not just for their own jobs, but for the human resources in the country. And we have come to rely on immigrants for this over the past few years. Trump is arguing about Mexican labor that sneaks across the border. That's not really the issue here. We need to develop inside, in-house, people who are qualified to do global things. Instead, what we're doing is we're importing our talent, we're importing our resources. We're also importing all our manufactured goods. We're getting lazy is my point. And there must be a solution. I don't think he has it. I don't think he even understands this. But we have to figure it out. And part of that, big part of that is the educational system. And I guess every man, woman, and child in the country has got to recognize what you and I are talking about. I hope so. I mean, I'd like to see people wake up to that fact. But I need to make a point because when we talk about immigrants coming across the border and working as undocumented workers, the fault for that phenomenon is us. It's the U.S. employer that refuses to do his or her due diligence and really make sure that everyone they hire has the appropriate documentation to work in this country. The only reason there's a market for undocumented workers is because employers will hire undocumented workers. Let's change the tilt a little bit. So suppose I play it straight, totally straight. I follow the law everywhere. I do not hire undocumented workers. I do everything I'm supposed to do.  It's one of the reasons that Trump won is because he wants to show a lot of regulations out. But if I'm a good boy, okay, and I follow every rule and every regulation, I'll be out of business. You think so? Yeah, for a lot of companies. And furthermore, if I'm a young fellow or girl and I want to start a business, I'm out of school, I'm a millennial, you know, and I even have for a moment I think, well, maybe I'll make a business, I'll be an entrepreneur. It's not easy. And of course it's not easy on a business level, but it's also not easy on a regulatory level. It's hard to do it. Lots of delays, permitting issues, regulations all over me. So I don't do it. I get a job with someone else. And I think that's a discouraging feature. I do not agree with it, but I do agree that we have to find a way to make business grow in the country. And then that will help in many levels. Yeah, I do think that entrepreneurs are finding more sort of innovative ways to make their businesses successful. And there's kind of a nontraditional movement. I'll give you an example. That's a food industry. If you look, there are food trucks out there where you can get as good a meal for $8 in a Styrofoam box, then you, as you could get for $35 in one of Waikiki's best four-star restaurants. And the reason is that the chefs want to show their skill, their artistry, their talent. They want to feed people and they don't recognize the value added with cloth or fancy linen tablecloths and extremely fancy and ornate. Bypassing all of bureaucracy. That's right. It's going right to it. I don't know if you've been in New York lately, but last couple of trips I made, I noticed in the 50s, midtown, right in the center of things, there are these Middle Eastern food trucks.  And people line up around the block so they can have these these dinners and they come, it's a dinner you take your girl out, where your spouse out for Valentine's Day and you go to one of these trucks and have this delicious lamb dinner. Furthermore, some of the landlords in that area, right, have rebuilt the front ends of their buildings to put benches in so you can sit on the street on Fifth Avenue, Sixth Avenue. Yes, it's wonderful. And you can have this great dinner. So I'm saying, you know, that's pure entrepreneurship. Indeed it is. That's like Pony Askew and all these things. You know Pony? Yeah. All these things that she does with the food trucks here in Hawaii. Yeah. And that's an example of what you're talking about, the millennials doing business. Yeah. And you know, speaking of which, because our time is running out, let's go eat.


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So I'm here today with my glorious, glorious beard to talk about Goosebumps once again. And I know it's not something I've talked about a lot, but it's a huge part of much of our childhoods. And I just... I realized something terrifying about a Goosebumps story called an old story not long ago. Now, if you don't remember this one, I don't blame you, it's not one of the more popular stories. It was originally in More Tales To Give You Goosebumps, which was a collection of short stories, and then they later made it into an episode of the TV show so some of you are probably familiar with it and the TV show follows the story pretty closely so if you've seen one, you know the other pretty well and you understand what I'm talking about. To put it in brief, this story is about these two brothers who are being taken care of by their great aunt Gladys while their parents are away. And their aunt Gladys is a very, very old woman but she seems nice enough and they're all just having fun with it. You know, it's a pretty standard setup as far as Goosebumps stories go. I'm so happy your mom and dad called me. We're going to have a wonderful time. Do you like to play cards? And then she starts feeding them these prunes and at first they're thinking, oh gross, prunes I don't want those but she eventually coaxes them into trying it and they try them and they're like, oh these are pretty good, you know what, I like these. So then they're just going about their days normally and then both the boys start getting older. Like their hair starts falling out, they start losing their eyesight and their hearing, they start stooping over, like they're turning into old men basically. Good morning, John. How are you? Pardon? How are you feeling? Flowers on the ceiling? And at first they are freaking out about this as you would expect them to do. And this is where the horror part of the story begins. It's kids' horror but it's body horror and that is scary for people of all ages. But anyways, it starts getting worse and their aunt Gladys is telling them hey no, you're fine, it's fine and then their hair is falling out and she tries to tell them oh don't worry, it's cute and they're and they're pushing back against this but they really don't have anything to do because you know they're just kids, this is an adult in power over them, their parents are gone, there's not much they can do. I'll give them each a hug for you and we'll spend a quiet afternoon indoors. So then some of their aunt's very old lady friends come over and they start being like way too friendly with the boys. Like they're being handsy and just being, telling them how they're cute, just being way, way too friendly and it makes the boys uncomfortable. And in the book this is where they actually start offering money for the boys and then they freak out and leave. In the show this was handled a little bit better because one of them hides in their aunt's closet and then he overhears a conversation between the two of them and basically this is when we find out that their aunt has been using magical prunes on them to make them turn old and then she's going to sell them as husbands to some other old ladies. And Lillian wants to marry Tom. We've got it all worked out. We're going to move to Miami and live next door to one another. The boys will never have to be apart.  So this is when the boys discover some wrinkle cream and they put it on and it makes them young again and they realize, oh okay it's magic. And in the TV episode it was baby food that they ate but not really an important distinction. Like they become young again.  In the short story this is also where we learned that apparently she's not actually their aunt. Like she just kind of came into their life and then both of their parents assumed that she was related to the other one.  The TV episode ends a little bit differently. One of the boys apparently continued eating the baby food until he turned into an actual infant and then it ends with his brother trying to get him to eat some prunes again so he'll turn back to normal and it just ends on a cliffhanger like so many Goosebumps stories do about whether or not he'll turn back.   Here you go Johnny. A prune cookie. Come on. Prune cookie. So for a couple of reasons this is kind of dumb. It's a children's Goosebumps story so I'm not going to be too harsh on it but you know there are a couple of things that stand out to me as an adult like for one did their Aunt Gladys really think that they would just go along like they just say oh okay we're magically old now and married to these old sex offenders I guess we'll just go along with that like did you think their parents would go along with it like oh okay our kids are old goodbye Tom see you later or did she think that she would just be able to spirit them off without a trace and their parents wouldn't investigate that like it's kind of weird but even stranger to me is why is their Aunt Gladys doing this scheme at all like obviously she wants to make money but why would she like take young boys make them into old gentlemen and then sell them to old women who presumably have some money to throw around like she has magical de-aging wrinkle cream why doesn't she just sell that to them you know like think about it if you were a very old woman with a lot of money you were coming up on retirement or excuse me you already retired and everything be married to an old man who has the mind of a child or would you rather be 20 years old again and then go to the club and get railed by some Chad who also has the mind of a child but is much better looking I don't know maybe that's just me but it seems like an odd thing to them it seems like this would be a better business venture and it would also get Gladys in less trouble because there would be no victims but as strange as all of that is it's not what I'm here to talk about I just needed to set all of that up so I could get to this main point I recently thought about this and I was like wait no that can't be what I'm thinking so I watched the TV episode and I read the short story and I realized this is just a metaphor for child grooming like think about it that is what this whole story is about now that term has been thrown around a lot lately because like the far right really wants to turn it into just gay people existing is instantly pedophilia but the real definition of grooming is when an adult meets someone while they're a minor sometimes a young child, sometimes an older teenager doesn't really matter, they're underage and they're just really nice to them and get them to like them and then once they're of age, of legal age or whatever then they can start a sexual relationship with them and it's obviously gross it is like one step above just raping them when they're children but it's all too common in our society unfortunately it is typically the domain of police officers youth pastors, French film directors and Onision so you know child rumors are in really good company but like think about it though that's what this episode is a metaphor for like there's the obvious body horror aspect of like oh okay you're growing old at a very accelerated rate and your body is decaying that's no fun but then there's the whole aspect of these adults that are in a position of power over them are waiting until they're older maybe not mentally older because again it's accelerated magically where the metaphor part comes in and then they can start having sex with them and start a relationship with them and then it will I guess somehow be okay like you know because if they really just wanted to be pedophiles I guess they could just have sex with them now but they don't want to they want to maintain an air of propriety I suppose I cannot be the only one thinking this right I'm Lillian oh you're so sweet and you're graying up nicely I'm me and I have a very nice retirement fund enough for two like I'm not losing my mind this is a real thing right like that's what this episode is about like Aunt Gladys is whoring them out to older people who are kind of sort of waiting until they're over 18 before they can start having sex with them like that's what makes this episode so horrifying I've never remembered it for years and years and years like better than a lot of other Goosebumps stories but it never really struck me as to why until now there's a Goosebumps story where the villains are pedophiles and I guess that's the scariest monster of all so I don't have a whole lot else to go into here like I'm not going to make this super deep or anything but just yeah we all have to know that this is a thing now if you disagree if you think I'm overthinking this let me know maybe I am just going crazy but I don't think I am anyways that's all if there are any other Goosebumps episodes that are secretly more horrifying as an adult than as a child let me know down below I'll see you later goodbye thank you for giving Patreon money if you want name on list or other Patreon benefit consider if you want to share like video comment subscribe thank goodbye nini grab the baby food


Ranger Bill, warrior of the woodland, struggling against extreme odds, traveling dangerous trails, fighting the many enemies of nature. This is the job of the guardian of the forest, Ranger Bill. Pouring rain, freezing cold, blistering heat, snow, floods, bears, rattlesnakes, mountain lions. Yes, all this in exchange for the satisfaction and pride of a job well done. Winter is just as wonderful a time of the year as spring, summer and fall. The beauty of the snow is it drapes the quiet pines, the crisp cold and a clear day, the pureness of the air after a snowfall. And then of course the winter sports. Most winter sports are speed demons. They're just the thing for folks and young people who crave dashing down a toboggan slide or zipping down a mountainside on skis at breakneck speed. But there's one winter sport that requires great patience and dressing in heavy and warm clothing. This sport is ice fishing, and it attracts hundreds of enthusiasts every year. Let's put a handle on this story. We'll call it 10 Battles Deep. Say, the crowd for the ice festival. The crowd is right. More and more folks seem to come out each year for this event. Ah, you speak truth there. Maybe they make better red panels now, and people are not afraid of cold. I think he hit the nail on the head, Grey Worm. I see all at the department store that they've got some new fangirl-insulated suits out now that they're supposed to keep you warm as toe. Yeah, that's right. Built on a couple of those suits for you to wear, Stumpkin. He did! Bloody young fellow like me need them special suits for it. You think I was old the way you talk? Why, that's like having a blanket wrapped around you.  Stumpkin, you always talk about aching bones. Come and be a new! So what? You young whippersnappers talk like I was feeble and ready for a chair by the stove. Well, aren't you? Now you say here, Henry Scott, I'll turn your hide with one hand tied behind my back. That feller had cut himself and didn't bleed for three days after. Why not? Tired blood! Henry's just teasing you, old timer. I ordered the special insulated suits for all arrangements. Very good, light and real warm. Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? Now, where had it been you fellers will? Mine come in handy when the ice vision contest starts. Oh, they're trumpets for a festival to open. Let's go over and find out who they've elected as queen of the festival, huh? Yeah, maybe it's someone I know. Like Susan Thompson, perhaps, Henry? Oh, cut it out. Just because I've dated her a few times doesn't mean I got a crush on her. Oh, that's true. Let's say you've got a light crush on her.  We're thrilled and pleased to have such a large attendance at this occasion, which is the winter sporting event of the year. Listen, the prizes are posted on every pillar and post we could find, so everyone will have ample time to read them and enter the contests. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's a mighty great pleasure to introduce the Queen of the Ice Festival, Miss Susan Thompson. We ask Mr. Henry Scott to be your escort after she's crowned queen. What are you blushing about, pal? Well, this way, you see, that is...  Sure, you don't want to keep the queen waiting, do you? See you later, fellas. Sure. We'll be around after you come down out of the clouds. Have a good time, pal. Yep, give the queen a kiss for me on the hand, that is. Oh, good day to you, Mayor. Have a chair, Bill, and we'll chat about the festival. Fine. Here are the lists of contestants and the time schedules of the different events and where they'll take place. Thank you. Well, I know we'll have another accident-free festival again this year like we've had in past years, since you've had charge of the safety end of this affair. Well, thank you, Mayor. I'm sure not all the folks in Naughty Pine feel as you do, though. Oh, of course they do. Oh, perhaps on the surface they can play in, but deep down inside, they know that these accident-free festivals are good publicity. This is evident by the bigger crowds to the festival each year. Perhaps you're right. We'll do our best to make this another accident-free year, your honor. Well, I know you will. Thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to help us. You're welcome. Good day, sir. All right, man, let's come to order. Thank you. I'll hear your assignments for the ice festival contests. Tom? Yes, sir? You, Flatch and Oli, will cover the bobsled racing and the ski meet. Frank? Right here, Bill. You, Floyd, Mike, Sam, and Big Red will cover the iceboard racing, the sail skating, and ice skating. Stumpy, Grey Wolf and I will cover the ice fishing, the curling contests, the ice cutting, and the ice sculpturing. All right, that's it, men. You know the safety rules we've set up, enforce them strictly and without hesitation. You may save a life, and most surely an accident. You're dismissed. Well, Sonny here is hoping everything goes without some knucklehead risking his neck to show off. That's right, old timer. But it's our job to stop him. Too bad we can't read minds and we can stop it before it starts. Now we've got to do it the hard way. Not right, but it's not a bad job. Our satisfaction is helping the folks at the festival have a good time safely. We'll drive out to Goose Lake in the morning and have a look at the ice. Man, this is a beautiful winter's day. Sun shining bright, it's not too cold. Ah, perfect day. The best is the Fireball Express. That hot rod's doing 90. I'll eat my shirt. And it's overloaded with kids. We're going to stop them. We're going to charge you in the emergency speed gear. Radio for a car to take the driver to jail. I suppose you're going to ask me where the fire is. Is that copper? Hey, Stu, that guy ain't no hiccup. He's a fed. Keep your yaps shut, Ben. I know what I'm doing. What's the trouble, Buffalo Bill? Get out of that car. Why?  Listen, you can't talk to me like that. I'll just reach right in this window and... Hey, look at all me. My dad's a big man in Junction City. You'll get you fired for this. Listen, sunny boy. Either you open the door and step out or I'll finish pulling you through the window.  Stu, you're crazy. You're what the guy says. Okay, Ranger, you win. I'll come out through the door if you don't mind. Where's this for young Rough Nick? Yeah. Book him on reckless driving, refusing to yield right-of-way to an emergency vehicle, exceeding the speed limit by 40 miles an hour. A jet pilot, maybe. But not an automobile driver. Anything else? There's more. Insolence to an officer, unloading his car with passengers and driving faster than the condition of his car permits. That ain't so. That's a hard ride. That's a piece of junk, son. I've seen hot rods, lots of them, and they're safe. Yours isn't. You speak truth there. Take him in, Pat. Come along, young fella, and mind your manners, sir. I'll add a few things to this fine list myself. You can't do this to me. My father will hear about this. That's right, son. He'll hear about it from the judge. My father shall use what... I want to explain to the rest of you, young people, why I arrested your friend. You don't have to, officer. We know. We heard what you told the deputy. There's more than that to it, son. First of all, we are proud of our safety record for the past several years, especially during this ice festival. We haven't had an accident. Not one. Honest? Honest. You know why? I'll tell you. It's because we've enforced safety. That's why I'm locking up your friend. Anyone who would pull, what he's just pulled, is dangerous to everyone. He doesn't have sense enough to come in out of a rain. Why, he's worse than a man with a gun. He wasn't driving this car. He was aiming it. His leg looks pretty as a picture today. Aren't you a little stubby? I've been cold a long time now. I should be safe enough. Yeah, it should. Now we better bore a few holes and test it. I'm not right. Let's try out there. Let me have the auger, Clay Wolf. I'm bore hole. Maybe I catch fish, too. Now that would be something. You might just bore him to death. Well, that does it, fellas. We've taken a dozen thickness tests. This is in good shape for the fishermen to have their contest. Not a real exciting sport, too. I guess it is to some, fellas, but not to me. Of course, I don't hold much to fish. You know how a can sit still had long. But good sports, Stumpy. You'd easy on nerves and take skill. Also, men get fresh air and sunshine. And sometimes rain. That's true. Here comes Marv Gaines. Oh, Marv! Where are you going with your golf shoes on? Hello, Stumpy, Bill, Gray Wolf. Well, I'm wearing my golf shoes so I don't slip and break the ice. Don't worry about that. The ice tests out good solid strength. Oh, sure. Anybody knows that the ice is safe after all the near zero and below zero weather we've been having. But you fellas have to make a big project out of it. It's better to be safe than sorry, Marv. I've seen the undercurrent in these mountain lakes. Cut the ice paper thin in spite of all the cold weather. Sure, I know you fellas have to uphold your reputation of doing a thorough job, but I think you overdo it. Oh, you know, to sort of make a good impression on all the visitors that we have here during the festival. No, you listen here, you young Maverick! Stumpy, you're not letting him work you up. You just try and get our goat. That's right, isn't it, Marv? Oh, I don't know about that.  Marv, let me make a suggestion. Sure, go ahead. You run the festival, and we'll take care of the safety end of it, huh? We don't tell you what to do, nor do we needle you about it. We'd appreciate you doing the same for us.  I was only joking. Yeah, I know. I laughed till my size eight.  Whippersnapper assumes the shoe's on his foot. He thinks everybody's getting up into a hut. Marv, meanwhile, may not have a good sense of humor. I'm afraid I don't either. When the festival official ribs us about safety precautions, we can expect it from the contestants and visitors, but not from the officials. Marv could be the first one to raise a storm if there was an accident. This kind of humor isn't funny. Well, Henry, why aren't you and your job escorting the queen? Hi, fellas. Excuse me while I face this sort of wheel. How are things going? That's fine, pal. I say, slurping is out with the queen's escort. How are you doing? Oh, hey, listen, that's not a bad deal. I get to see all of your vests for a first-class spot, and then, of course, I have Susan's company without dispute. Is that right? You mean you have to fight them off otherwise? Yeah, sort of. Oh, come on, pal. Who are you trying to fool? Susan's had her eye on you for a long time. You said it, sonny. Now she's finally getting her hooks into him so she can keep a good hold. Oh, she hasn't either. We're just good friends. Oh, that's what all men say, Andrea. I hear the same kind of story before. You said it, Grey Wolf. We're just good friends. Then, Powish.  And he's so young, too. Oh, poor Henry. That is the way it is at all. Oh, excuse me, my dear friends. Look through the window. Your queen is waiting for you. Oh, well, I'll have to run along. See you fellas later. Okay, pal. That all we see at Henry for the rest of day now. Yeah. He's going out with his close friend. Close friend, my foot. Thank you. There isn't any need of going over the contest rules since each one of you has a printed copy. But before you begin fishing, we introduce the man who's in charge of keeping this festival safe and accident-free. Ladies and gentlemen, Chief Ranger Bill Jefferson. Thank you. Folks, as you all know, there hasn't been an accident at the festival for several years running. This fine record is credit to each and every one of you because everyone has observed the safety precautions that we feel necessary. Let's make this festival another accident-free occasion. We'll have a much better time if it is. Now, for those of you who are here for the first time, I want to say that we'll enforce the law if you choose to break it. There's already been one arrest, and there'll be more if anyone decides he doesn't have to obey the safety rules. We can't allow one or more persons to jeopardize the well-being of the whole Crown. That's all I have to say. And good fishing. You kind of took the wind out of their enthusiasm, Bill. Oh, I don't think so, Marv. Just made them stop and think. Not right, Marv, when people not think, then accidents happen. Well, maybe you're right, but I don't think you had to tell them that you've already made a pinch. Well, what would you do, Marv and my boy? Wait till somebody gets hurt and then make them stop, and you'll think again. Of course not. But I don't think you need to lay it on so thick. I mean, after all, these people are adults in the contest. You're right, Marv. But even adults get carried away with enthusiasm when they're in a crowd. Let's circulate around and see how the fishing's coming along. Ah, good idea. Maybe we see the first big fish car. How's it going, boys? Okay, Ranger. Look, I got the bait on the hook and my fingers. Catch anything, you bloke? Nope, not yet, Stumbie. I didn't fall through the hole in the eyes. See there? My feet ain't frozen. Hey, you catch fish.  Hey, you're right. Maybe this'll be the winner. Be careful how you handle fish. We not want accidents. Hey, Barney, you've got the stove too hot. Sorry, we're just trying to keep warm, but first one, look at the size of it. It's a whopper, all right. Watch out for that. This is delicious, too. Well, thanks, Bill. It isn't fancy, but it'll stick to your ribs and that's what these fellas need after they've been out there on the ice hour after hour. Right. And warm them up, too. Bill, do you fellas have to walk around all the time to make sure that everyone's behaving himself? No. We do that so we'll be among the contestants in case something happens. Mm-hmm. But I still say that you fellas do your job too well. I hope we do, Mark. Look over there. Somebody bring truck on ice. Huh? Let's go, boys. This ice isn't that strong. I'm taking these folks out to the center to see the deep fishing. Oh, no, you're not, Mac. This ice won't hold the truck. Now get them off right now. All right. But I think you're talking through your hat. You'll have to get off, folks. A ranger says so. I suppose you're going to tell me I'm going to have to move the truck now, too. That's right. Back it slowly off the ice and step on it.  I'm going to talk to Marv about this. Talk to anyone you wish, but move the truck and move it right now. The ice begins to crack. You'll lose your truck in ten fathoms of water. Who ever heard of the ice breaking when it's this cold? I'm moving the truck. But not because I think I should. Because I just don't want to fight with the law. Thank you. You should know better than this, Mac. I should, huh? We'll see about that. You haven't heard the end of this yet. Hold breath on that one. Ice strong enough for cars, but not for truck. Yep. Especially a truck loaded to the girls with people. How are things going up there, Tom? Just fine, Bill. Everyone's being careful and taking proper precautions to play it safe on this high-speed course. That's fine. Keep up the good work and report to me at four o'clock. Okay, Bill. Over and out. Over and out. Frank, are you there? Where else, Chief? Okay. Any accidents? I'm trying to cooperate. The ice boating and the sail skating is just about over, so the high-speed danger is almost past. I'll keep a sharp eye and report at four o'clock. Over and out. Right. Over and out. So far, so good. Yeah, I hope it stays that way. We've only got a few hours to go and we can add another no-accident record year. You'd better tell those rangers where to head in. Who does Bill think he is anyhow? Well, I appreciate how you feel, Mac, but Bill's only doing the job that he's been asked to do. And I know the mayor and the council would be very unhappy if we had an accident. But you know the ice is strong enough. Well, whoever heard of the ice-giving way at this time of the year, when it's been so cold. Well, you're right. Bill does a good job, but it's... Well, that's so good he bothers folks. Well, however, I think you should stay off the ice with a truck. Oh, you know better than that. Well, how about... How about you talking to Mr. Strong Arm of the Law and telling him to lay off? Okay, Mac, I'll see what I can do.  Well, I knew what you were about to do. Bill, Mac has trucked back on ice and looked like he'd try to get away fast. What? Well, the ice is breaking up. Get ropes, let's go. Oh, no, they'll drown. Marv, call the pull motor and ambulance. Get the passengers off the truck. Some of you, man, get these ropes over to those people and pull them onto the good ice. Come on, you guys, let's keep going. Mac, Mac's stuck in cab. Ice jam door shut. You'll have to get out through the window. You and Stumpy, get him out, Gravel. Good job. Get rope under arms, Mac. I made it. I made it. There you go. Look what we've pulled out of the drain. We make big, holy ice. We should get big fish. Hey, you guys, cut it out. I'm freezing to death. Yep. Maybe a little freeze in a week if you come in a sense. Let's get him out and take him to the ambulance so he can warm up. Thanks, Stumpy. How are the rest of people, Bill? Everyone's all right. They'll be taking back the town for dry clothes and general warming up. Oh, Mac, you got dunked all the way. How are you? I guess I'm all right. If I can only stop shivering... You'll be all right. Bill, I'm... I'm sorry I didn't listen. I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was. Now, the record has to be broken because of me. Yeah. I'm glad to mark this down as an accident. But no lies were lost and no one was seriously hurt. But you lost your truck. He sure did. And he's going to take some fish and pull that out of ten fathoms of water. In fact, that'll be the prize fish of the festival. Well, I guess we can laugh since no one was hurt.  But it just goes to show that a person should listen to those who know the facts. We said the ice wasn't strong because we'd test it. It's always better to play it safe than to have to be sorry. Well, see you next week for more adventure with...


You may know, uh, Tomahiko Morimi is someone who we've talked about a lot recently. Yup.  And you've like, you find a thread and you start tugging at it.  Eccentric family. Yup. Eccentric family too. Yup. Night on a night is young walk on girl. Yup. Uh, Tommy galaxy to Tommy galaxy, which we're going to talk about now. Wasn't there another one penguin highway? Oh, that's coming soon. Right. Yup. Anyway, we've seen anime was written in 2010. We've seen anime based on all these things. And some of those anime have been animated by the same teams. Right. So like Masaki Yuasa, he animated what we're going to talk about today, which is, uh, Tommy galaxy, but also he did walk on girl, which is very related, but also not an eccentric family, eccentric family to obviously animated by the same studio, which I just want to point out, uh, if you haven't watched eccentric family, we reviewed both seasons, you should go watch it. It's one of the best shows to come out in a long time. It is one of the best anime there is right now. Frog in a well. Anyway, uh, but all of these are based on novels written by Tomi Hiko Morimi. And hopefully these novels will be just translated so I can read them directly and not just have to watch anime adaptations. I really want to read the eccentric family novels based on all these anime adaptations of Morimi's work. I am a fan of Morimi's work indirectly. Ah, indirect kiss. So once I found out, because we were when we saw, uh, night a short walk on girl in the theater at the end, there's the interview with Yuasa. And he kept bringing up time. He kept talking about the Tommy galaxy. And I'm like, I've heard of the Tommy galaxy and I haven't watched it. I think I will go home and watch it. So I did and I watched like a handful of episodes. I've seen like three and a quarter episodes. I've seen similar amount. I'd have to, you know, and I haven't, I just haven't finished it, but I've definitely done enough to talk about, right? Cause I mean, that's more than we usually talk about anime watching less episodes than that. Basically, it's we either we talk about an anime, seen a few episodes or we watch the whole thing as fast as possible. And then we talked about it. Right. The only reason I didn't watch this as fast as possible is because I had so many other things to do. It's like, you know, it was con season. We had a lot of conventions. It's like, there's other things that kept taking up my time. So I couldn't just sit down and watch a whole bunch of anime. But every time I got a chance, I like squeezed in one episode. I only just got like four or five chances. Yup. And now when I want to watch even more of it, because I was like, oh, let me go over refresh. You're going to do an episode. I go and crunchy roll and rim message music today. He's like, yeah, it ain't there. Yup. Cause last night I was like, I've only seen like three episodes.  I go to crunchy roll and just couldn't find it. And I Googled around a little bit and I could not find anywhere to watch it legally. Yeah. If I would have known it was going to go off crunchy roll, I would have like bailed on something else to watch it before I got taken off. And now I'm going to have to resort to like piracy or something to watch the rest of the show. Yup. And I really like it's I come there might be a place to watch it legally. But in a cursory search, I was not able to find it. And in this day and age, if you can't find the legal place to watch it by typing the name of it into Google, everyone involved has failed. And you can pirate it at that point. Right. But so actually it says availability. I think it got taken down. Sorry, due to licensing limitations, videos are unavailable in your region. All right. So they just, I guess the U.S. distribution thing expired maybe, whatever. Yup. Which is so that was a shame because I really like this show and I want to watch the rest of it. I feel like I'm going to have to pirate it. Right. So the thing is, like I said when we were talking about, even though I hadn't watched all this is still haven't watched all of it. Like I said, we were talking about walk on girl. I've said, man, you know, because I watched a couple episodes of this before we did our walk on girl episode. I was like, man, you got you. It's hard to talk about walk on girl. The anime. If you haven't seen the time of Galaxy, the anime because both by you also both based on works from the same author. But what you also does here, the most notable thing is similar to Tezuka manga where he'll have the same characters playing the same quote actors, playing different act characters in different things. Yep. The same exact character designs and maybe even voices. I have to go verify that. I didn't verify the voices. I didn't verify the voices, but there was no disjointedness. So I feel like it's the same voices. It's 100% the same character designs. Yep. So in walk on. Are used in both, right?  Who may or may not be a magical creature. May not use Tengu adjacent. Yeah, he's got like a big old chin. Yep.  Right. He might actually be a Tengu. But anyway, there's an atomic galaxy. There is that person plays someone who's point two steps above being a bum. Right. It's a very similar character who is probably a God. Yeah. You can imagine an eccentric family that you could tell eccentric family with that same character being the Tengu grandpa guy. Oh my God. That character could you only older if you saw any character from eccentric family or Tatami Galaxy or walk on girl in the background of the other shows. It just makes sense. They're all in the same universe. For example, eccentric family is the girl who's always like turning into objects. You never see her. Yep. That could be you could use the character design for the girl from walk on girl or the girl in Tatami Galaxy for that character. Yep. Right. You know, main guy in eccentric family main Tanuki guy could be main college dude from right. Right. It's like you can see that the author sort of has, you know, characters that feel similar adjacent ish personalities and roles in their stories. And because the same animation team did, you know, these two animate the time of Galaxy and walk on girl they use the same character designs. Right.  Yep. Like a lot of reused character designs from both and the characters that share the designs share personalities quite a bit. Anyway, so what's the time in Galaxy actually freaking about? So there's this dude and he is looking to have like the perfect, most wonderful college existence. Yeah. What does he say? He wants to go to college and find a raven haired girlfriend. Right. So he's got these ideas about college. He wants college to be like amazing. He's he goes to college. He's trying to fulfill his dream of, you know, what's going to happen in college. So each episode, it's an episodic show. Surprisingly, I'm sure it's not episodic at the end, but it's episodic. At least most of the way I've read some like episode descriptions. Each episode he joins a club at the college. So there's my favorite so far is the bicycling club. Yeah. The bike was good because of how badly it goes. Right. But there's other clubs he joins like a drama club. Right. It was one of them. I think the first three episodes are tennis club, a film club, film club. Remember with the pervert guy. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Anyway, each episode he joins a different club and crazy stuff happens, but all in like the same circle. Like, but the girl he likes that he can't talk to is like in the club or right here by the same. Each, even though each episode is different in terms of the club he joins and the exact drama that happens, there's the same format of how the episode breaks down early. And he makes a promise to this girl. Right.  And he can't remember to give it back to her. You know, even though she has the rest of the set, he has the he has the one that she's missing.  Yeah. He messes up the he messes up the club's business. Right. The crazy old Tengu adjacent guy messes gets in the middle is the best and my favorite character. Yeah. The most rim-like character. Yeah. It's a very rim adjacent game. I love so the description of him in the in this Wikipedia is and it is similar to how he's described to the show. An eighth year super senior. Very similar to some people we knew in college ourselves who were still around. Maybe one point one steps above being a homeless bum somehow still in the school. Yeah. But anyway, and I guess, you know, that character, that Tenguish character is sort of like the mentor master ish in a way like he's learning from him, sort of. Anyway, I mean, the vagest of it is he sort of gives this ultimatum to the main guy of, you know, I'm a God, right?  Right.  He's usually bad at whatever the club is. He's bad at biking. He's bad at filming. He's not helping much. Right. He's sort of failing and then, you know, as things are sort of collapsing because of his failure, despite his attempts to succeed in his dev, you know, devolving into making mischief instead of participating in being nice and doing a job like the first episode he bumps into the fortune teller. Yep. I think the first every time I got to go back and watch again. I'm pretty sure the fortune teller raised her price every episode that I watched. I didn't notice the fortune telling part is like usually identical every episode. She says basically the same thing. Right. Every time he feels like he remembers this fortune teller, but he doesn't do what she says. He doesn't do what the fortune teller says. He does what Ozu says instead. Then the whole thing collapses in a giant climax clusterfuck. That's amazing. Yeah. And then there's the end of the show. The end of the episode happens in the end of the episode is this animation of like time rewinding. And then the next episode, it's like he's back at the beginning of college again.   So far, at least in the front, you know, I imagine he's not going to figure it out to the last episode, but you know, for the four or five episodes I've seen, it's pretty the same structure, just different clubs every time. But it's it's still fascinating. And I can imagine you can just imagine that at the end, he's finally going to get it right. Yep. But what is right? What is a perfect college experience? Hopefully remembering the thing he's forgetting and doing what the fortune teller says to do. Because not to spoil walk on girl, which has a similar story in some ways. It sort of has this moral of like your rose colored glasses of what you wanted versus what you actually wanted versus the complexities of a real world. And what actually happens all set to the backdrop of all the kinds of crazy people in crap that happens in college. Yeah. So the structure of, you know, like walk on girl isn't doing the time rewinding thing. It's the one long has this four seasons thing, this four seasons that play out in one night is the structure. So here it's a similar thing where there is a time based structure of college playing out and rewinding, right? So I, you know, I guess eccentric family doesn't have this structure, but is it but the two novels that Iwasa adapted have some sort of, you know, time based thing going on. But I guess this and walk on girl both really, really capture this vague nostalgic feeling I have for my own college life and like RIT anime and like that kind of environment where everything feels bigger and more important than walk on girl also did have a college with a club that was significant, right? Yep. In the sense of like you see people in clubs who are treating it like it's way more important than it really is, which also makes you think of, you know, Utena. Yep. But then you see the people post-college or reminiscing on that makes you think of Mahotsukaita. Yep. Or any of the other anime with clubs. Yeah. Elhazard. Ooh, nah. Elhazard just turns into escaplone. Elhazard are just a weird thing in the basement, right? Yep. Elhazard doesn't really get back. Elhazard, not the TV show that's bad. I'm just trying to remember anime's that have school clubs. Yeah. But the one I didn't watch all of Haruhi. Oh, yeah. Haruhi does some stuff. Anyway, also a time based situation, right? The point where this one fits more with Utena is these more ideas of the thing, the way you see the world when you're in college is very different from the way you see it outside of college and you overestimate the importance and the grandeur and scale of the things you're doing and the people around you like you see these because when your world is small, right? Your everything else seems big. Pond is small. That lily pad seems huge. And then when you know, you don't see the whole world until you leave college and you're like, Oh, yeah, no one cares about that. Yep. Like the world is big. Only big things are big. Like when you're in college, this the eight year super senior is like this legendary figure in the local community. Right. When you're an adult, the eight year super senior is a bum.   Like what are you doing? What are you doing, man? But if you like other things based on the works of more Amy, you never get the name right. If you have, if you like other things, if you saw a walk on girl, the night is young and liked it. Just watch this. Yeah, this one actually came first. This was on the Noe Tom and a block, which is it's sort of like back in like two thousand and ten. Wow. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So if you don't know, Noe Tom and a is the word animation spelled backwards and it's a it's a programming block on a Japanese TV channel. I forget which one. Fuji TV, Fuji TV. So on Fuji TV at some time, I think it might be late at night. I'm guessing they they're like, all right, it's Noe Tom and a time.  It's usually right. If something's a Noe Tom and anime, odds are it's probably good.  It's not going to be, you know, some some like shown in trashy show like your panel. Right. It's going to be actually a show with some sort of artistic merit to it. And this is one of those. Yep. So it's worth watching. I wish it was still on Crunchyroll. So if you can't get ahold of it, figure out how to get it somehow. This you have an Internet. You can find out how to get the show. I'm going to figure it out when I get home. Yep, because I'm going to watch the rest of it. And maybe we'll do a final thoughts on it at some point. Because it's only like 13 episode, right? 11, 11. So I mean, I was like almost halfway done. Yeah, I could have made it.


Everyone, welcome back to our special presentation with theCUBE and horizon3.ai. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE here in Palo Alto with the CEO and co-founder of Horizon 3, Neil Antony, who's here with me to talk about the big news. We've been talking about your global expansion. Congratulations on the growth and international and just overall success of what looks like to be a very high margin, relevant business in the security space. Yeah, thank you, John. I'm very excited to be here and especially this focus on partners because partners in cybersecurity have such an important role and we've built a company that enables partners to grow with us. We had a chance to talk to some of your staff and some of the people in the industry around the channel. I mean, the old school technology vendors would go in, build channels, redistribute resellers, VARs, value-added resellers, value-added businesses, all kinds of different ways to serve customers indirectly and then you get the direct sales force. You guys seem to have a perfect product for a hard, profitable market where channels are starved for solutions in the security space. What did you guys find as you guys launched this? What was some of the feedback? What was some of the reasoning behind? Obviously indirect sales helps your margins. You enable some pieces of self for you, but what was the epiphany? So when you think about the telecommunications industry back in the 2000s, we always talked about the last mile in telco, right? It was easy to get fiber run to the neighborhood, but the last mile from the neighborhood to the house was very difficult. So what we found during COVID was this was especially true in cybersecurity because in COVID you've got individuals that need security capabilities, whether they are IT directors, barely treading water or CISOs and so on. And they needed these trusted relationships to decide what security technologies to use, how to improve their posture.  They've got years of relationships built with those regional partners, those regional resellers, MSSPs, MSPs, IT consulting shops. So what we did over the past two years was embrace this idea that regional partners are the last mile of cybersecurity. So how do we build a product and a business model that enables those last mile channel partners to make even more revenue using us to underpin their offerings and services and get them to take advantage of the trust that they've built over many hard years and use that trust to not only improve the posture of their customers, but have Horizon 3 become a force enabler along the way. Yeah, it's interesting. You have that pre-built channel makeup but also new opportunities for people to bring security because you guys have the node zero capability. Because pen testing is only one of the things you guys are starting to do now and everyone knows we've talked about this in our previous interviews, it's hard. People have all kinds of app sec review, application reviews all the time and if you're doing cloud native, you're constantly pushing new codes. So the need for a pen test is kind of a continuous thing. Okay, so I get that. The other thing that I found out on the interviews was and I want to get your reaction to this is that there's an existing channel of pen testers that are high IQ, high paid services. So it almost feels like you guys have created kind of like a way to automate some of the basic stuff but still enable the existing folks out there doing this work. I won't say it was below their pay grade but a lot of it was kind of remedial things. Explain and react to that because I think that's a key nuance point to this expansion. Yeah, so the key thing is how do you run a security test at scale? So if you are a human pen tester, maybe in a couple of weeks you could pen test 5,000 hosts. If you're really good maybe 10,000 hosts but when you've got a large manufacturer or a bank that's got hundreds of thousands or millions of hosts there's no way a human's gonna be able to do that. So for the really large shops what we found is this idea of human machine teaming where you run us to run infrastructure testing at scale we'll conduct reconnaissance, we'll do exploitation at scale, we'll find all the juicy interesting stuff and then that frees up the time for the human to focus on the stuff humans are gifted at. This is a joke that let us focus on all the things that will test at scale so the human can focus on the problems that get them to speak at DEF CON and let them focus on the really hard interesting juicy stuff while we are executing tests and at a large scale that's important but also think about Europe. In Germany there are less than 600 certified pen testers for the entire country. In Norway I think there's less than 85. In Estonia there's less than 20. There's just not enough supply of certified testers to be able to effectively meet the demand. It's interesting when you ever have these when you ever see these inflection points in industries there's always a 10x multiple or some multiple inflection point that kicks up the growth. Google pioneered site reliability engineers. You see it now in cloud native with containers and Kubernetes. Writing scripts is now going to be more about architecture operating large scale systems. So instead of being a pen tester they're now a pen architect. Yeah. Well in many ways it's a security by design philosophy which is I would rather verify my architecture upfront verify my security posture upfront and not wait for the bad guys to show up to poke holes in my environment. And then even economically the way we design the product most of our users are not pen testers. They're actually IT admins, network engineers, people with the CISSP type certification and we give them superpowers. And there are in back to 10x for every one certified ethical hacker there are 10 to 20 certified CISPs. So even the entire experience was designed around those types of security practitioners and network engineers versus the very exquisite pen test types. Yeah. It's a great market opportunity. I think this is going to be a big kind of a an example of how scale works. So congratulations. A couple of questions I had for you for this announcement was what are some of the obstacles that you see organizations facing that the channel partners can participate in? Cause again, more feet on the street I get the expansion but what problems are they solving? Yeah. When you think about back when I was a CIO there was a very well-defined journey I went through. Assess my security posture. I have to assess it at least once or twice a year. I want to assess it as often as possible. From there as I find problems the hardest part of my job was deciding what not to fix. And I didn't have enough people to remediate all the issues. So the natural next step is how do I get surge expertise to remediate all of the findings from those assessments? From there, the next thing is, okay while I'm fixing those problems did my security team or outsourced MSSP detect and respond to those attacks? And if so great, if not what are the blind spots in my detection response? And then the final step is being that trusted advisor to the executive team the board and regulators around that virtual CISO or strategic security advice. So that is the spectrum of requirements that any customer has. Assess, remediate, verify your detections and then strategic advice and guidance. Every channel partner has some aspect of those businesses within their portfolio and we enable revenue to be generated for our partners across every one of those. Use us to do assessments at scale. Automatically generate the statement of work for everything that we found and then our partners make money fixing the issues that we've identified. Use us to audit the blind spots of your security stack and then finally use our results over time to provide strategic advice to the CISO, the board and the regulators. Yeah, it's a great, great gap you fill for sure. And with the up the scale you give other pen testers, a lot of growth there. The question that comes up though I have to ask you and this is what's on people's minds probably because that would be the first thing I would ask. Well, you guys are kind of new and I get this thing. So what will make you an ideal partner? Why Horizon 3.ai as the partner? What do you bring to the table? Yeah, I think there's a few things. One is we're approaching our three year anniversary. We've scaled very quickly. We've built a great team. But what differentiates us is our authenticity at scale, our transparency of how we work as a partner and the fact that we've built a company that very specifically enables partners to make high quality money. In my previous companies I've worked at, partners were kind of relegated to doing low level professional services type work. And if I'm a services shop, that's not gonna be very valuable for me. That's a one and done come in, install a product, tune it and so on. What I want if I'm a partner is working with technology companies that care deeply about my growth as a partner and then is creating an offering that allows me to white label it to build my own high margin business above it, give me predictable cost of goods sold so I can build in staff a high functioning organization. That's what we did at Horizon 3 is we built the entire company around enabling MSSPs, MSPs, consulting shops. From day one. From day one, that was the goal. And so the entire company's been designed. You can white label the product. The entire experience can look like yours if you want it to be. The entire company was built from day one to be channel friendly. This is again a key point. Again, I want to double click on that because at the end of the day, money making is pretty big important thing. Partners, channel partners and resellers and partners don't want to lose their customer. Want to add value and make high margins. So is it easy to use? How do I consume it? How do I deploy it? Do you feel comfortable that you guys can deliver on that? Yeah, and in fact, a big cultural aspect of Horizon 3 is we let our results do the talking. So I don't need to convince people through PowerPoint. What partners will do is they'll show up. They will run us for themselves. They'll run us against some trusted customers of theirs. They get blown away by the results. They get a Horizon 3 tattoo at the end. And then they become our biggest champions and advocates. And ultimately, when you have that land and you can show results and it's a white label, it's an instant money maker for the partner. That's great, Neil. Thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. That's a wrap here on the big news and the big news announcement around Horizon 3.ai, global expansion, new opportunities, new channel partners, great product, good for the channel, makes money, helps customers. Can't beat that. I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. Thanks for watching.