justice told Christ are you not the Messiah save yourself and us to the right of Jesus was decimus he told Christ Jesus remember me when you come into your kingdom for those of you that aren't into the Bible justice is the guy who was to the left of Jesus there was three guys that got crucified the day on Good Friday Jesus in the middle and to the left even was this dude justice he was a thief G E S T A S and to the right of him was a guy Dismas D I S M A S both of them thieves both of them convicted by these corrupt Romans and the people of Israel and the one dude wouldn't repent and just told you I get me up off this cross you the Messiah get me up off this cross save us and save yourself and the other dude was far more humble accepted Jesus as the Messiah said hey man when you get to the kingdom don't forget your boy and that's what happened Jesus didn't forget his boy the church was built on the rock of Peter there is not one verse in the New Testament where Jesus calls himself God the woman is the weaker vessel she's supposed to listen to the man the man that's supposed to listen to her though hey bro come on now dawg come on man put the honor her but the man supposed to be obedient to her she'll be obedient to the man according to scripture they are one and as their Mary that's marriage is right become one in Christ but that one obviously doesn't mean equal in value because what the man says obviously higher in value because the woman is supposed to be obedient to the man the woman supposed to admit submit to the man and a man is supposed to rightfully so honor thy woman and love the woman as he loved Christ so but she is supposed to be obedient so equal in value that verse doesn't say that so you thinking that the wife were you thinking that women are less value of less value than the man look look look look at this somebody come look at this I think a man decision means more like I'm gonna I'm gonna say some super about to be super controversial the best person was that I think if people are married they should only be able to vote once and a man vote should be that vote what you just don't get it do you you don't oh my goodness I just happen to see my wife's comment already she already starting and somebody gonna marry this man yep anyway welcome to the BCV channel I am your host past the Seiko Woods please do the following please like subscribe share and hit the notification bell at the bottom of this video y'all we go at the bottom of this video yeah that way when I go live and post the content and information be one of the first to view it also if you'd like to support this mention financially thank you those of you who have been so gracious and faithful in doing so we really really do appreciate it this is how we keep the operating costs and and and and responsibilities that we have to a reasonable minimum we do appreciate that thank you so so much those who have been supporting us through the super chats and through also through a cash out minimum and also through zeal we thank you so much but if you would like to continue to do so and you would like to become a body lifer you can do that by just simply clicking the link but information below at the bottom of the video our body life is just individuals or persons that would like to support the ministry and have made commitments to support the ministry whether it be weekly daily bi-weekly monthly whatever even yearly doesn't matter but we do thank you those who we have been who had been faithful in doing so thank you so so much and already sister sister Sheila thank you so much for the for the support sister he said hippo character flips around and does a V sign on his hand while the word victory appreciate it thank you sister thank you so much for that and but yeah so you can do that as well also if you like to support the ministry through the BCV merchandise you can do that as well by just going to the BCV information link posted below at the bottom of the video as well you can do that I'll just move this over here because I'm going to make sure that I can see all the the comments as well so me put this little information over there for those and maybe I should be joining in as well but yes let's yeah let's give a like offering as well too thank you so much sister Eric let's give a little like offering as well we do need those likes that helps the algorithm get triggered and make these videos more popular and populated on on YouTube so thank you those who have been doing so and supporting the ministry through BCV through the donation links to super chats and things of that nature brother dr. Brian man I'll thank you so much man you've been one of the one of the ones have been been wanting to purchase the BCV gear and thank you so much for that as well my brother thank you doc I really do appreciate it that thank you all so much all right well as you see and as you know you saw in the clips that is those are the individuals I want to to share my my thoughts and concerns about particularly Jason Whitlock is the host of fearless radio fearless feel is the feel is show on on YouTube he brings on guests he has contributors and commentators on his platform and people have shared their their their views and and perspectives and things of that nature and so I believe as Christians we should be able to share our thoughts and if we are Christians and our thoughts should be aligned with what the word of God says we are ambassadors therefore what we say should should represent the king of kings and Lord of lords and hopefully I can get a man or a one or that's right about that because these are these are very I believe very serious times that we are in because we know that people their souls are in the balance by what they hear by who they follow by what is being I guess you can even say deposited in them all of us have influence and all of us have responsibilities for us to to Stuart when you come on this channel when you take time out of your busy schedule and out of your day almost every day throughout the week to be a part of this this stream I think the last thing you want to have is your time wasted I believe the last thing anyone who values their time and values what they do throughout the course of a 24 hour period the last thing you want is to have someone giving you lies or selling you wolf tickets or just wasting your time with frivolous nonsense they have nothing to do with the kingdom has no value has no purpose doesn't encourage you doesn't challenge you doesn't stir you up it doesn't convict you it doesn't bring you to a closer relationship with with Christ who wants to who wants to waste their time like that I know I don't and so I make no apologies that when I say the things that I say by God's grace I've given it thought by God's grace whatever I bring before you I want to make sure that I've fact-checked it or that I've resourced it and researched it out because I don't want to be a person that either brings people that I claim that are Christians or that I claim that are followers of the way as the right and Luke records and acts and these people don't know the way these people do not know Christ the people do not know the saving grace of God they may spout Christian ease but they do not embrace the doctrines and tenets of Christianity and this is not a this is not a dig this is not a diss this is not a jab against anyone these are concerns and questions that I have for brother Jason Whitlock I did tag him I did send this this link to Bryson Gray I tagged all three individuals on my YouTube channel whether they watch it I can't control that but they can't say that they have not been alerted so for me when we put information out or when we present people to the public on our platform if there are no disclaimers regarding what individuals believe or what they hold to then we bear we bear the brunt of the responsibility for that now I brought people on my channel had brought people on my platform and I and I strive to make it clear that there may be differences and if and if it's especially doctrinal differences of an essential nature you best believe I'm going to always by God's grace put out disclaimers and if I bring a person on is for the purpose of dialogue for debate for discussion for clarification for confrontation whatever whatever the purpose may be but just know this my intent would never be to deceive or mislead anyone into following or supporting someone who professes to be a Christian but when you look at their doctrine let alone their life it is diametrically opposed to the tenets of the Christian faith and let alone the saving grace and knowledge of God thank you those of you who are in the chat moderators thank you so much you have the con you YouTube family thank you for joining Facebook family thank you for joining sister Debbie good to see you my sister sister to make her brother Andre brother Richard brother Joseph sister Nicole how you doing brother John sister Tracy brother Raymond good to see you all in the Facebook chat please share the video please like it as well of course as my as I always try to do welcoming and and given given appreciation and shouting out and acknowledging those of you who are in the YouTube YouTube chat so many of you can't go through all of them but of course Tyra of course the misses my wife and sister Sheila thank you again Dana for the Proverbs is Tyra brother David for the John Jesus loved you sister Levina hey how are you doing good to see you I think I said Sheila already sister Shonda who else detox liberating truths I see you all in the in the in the chat thank you all so much Cindy Lou thank you thank you for joining again hit that like button we got what is the number count here I can tell you right now what is the number count 72 are watching and we have 37 likes can we get the likes buttons blazing here let's smash that like button like Hulk and get the get the numbers up somebody just put a thumbs down not really sure that is have even said anything yet but already the hate is already starting yes this is Tyra thank you so much let's get those likes up sufficient grace good to see you God bless you as well let's see Erica good to see you vehicle what's going on my brother good to see you man good to see you thank you for joining brother Jim what's going on my brother Joseph David Renice all right yeah thank you awesome but let's get those likes up when you walk in the door let's get the likes up appreciate it thank you so much sister Tia hello hello hello thank you so much all right so um I want to lay out some scriptures foundational texts because again I want to make sure to people understand that this is not an attack against Jason Whitlock what he's doing but I do have I do have questions and concerns regarding some of the individuals that he has given platform to that I believe based on their their teaching or based on their statements and what they hold to do not align with biblical Christian values or doctrine and that is important because I know for fact that Jason has gone on the record have said that fearless is a biblically a biblical you know platform that embraces biblical worldview okay so that is the case then that is the standard by which we are to judge and measure everything and use that as the grid by which we allow things to pass or where we block it so I want to put up some scriptures I want to highlight some texts just for our memory some of these may be new for some and others it may not be but nonetheless we need to be reminded of these things in the book of Proverbs chapter 12 verse 26 Proverbs 12 26 the Bible says the righteous is a guide to his neighbor but the way of the wicked leads men or leads them astray the righteous is a guide to his neighbor but the way of the wicked leads them astray new living translation says the godly give good advice to their friends the wicked lead them astray coach in King James it says the righteous is more excellent than his neighbor but the way of the wicked seducive them Psalm 119 verses 121 verse 125 it says it says I am your servant give me understanding that I may know your testimonies give me understanding give me wisdom that I may know your testimonies this is this is the Psalmist prayer that we are to ask God for discernment for wisdom for guidance for instruction first Corinthians 1533 do not be deceived bad company corrupts good character bad company corrupts good character or good morals Ephesians chapter 5 verse 15 I believe these verses are important what we're gonna be talking about today verse 15 Ephesians 5 therefore be careful how you walk not as unwise men but as wise verse 16 says making the most of your time because the days are evil making the most of your time because the days are evil Ephesians let's look at Ephesians chapter 4 Ephesians 4 verses 4 through 6 and a lot of these texts and a lot of these these clips that you've seen is why I'm citing some of these verses and we'll go through them again throughout the string but Paul says in verse 4 there's there's one body and one spirit just as you were called this is you were called in one hope of your calling one Lord one faith one baptism one God and father of all who is overall and through all and in all these are these are core tenets of the Christian faith that we don't if you don't believe these things then you're not a Christian a person can say that they are a Christian a person to say that they believe in God but what do you believe about Jesus is the question and that's where a lot of all of all of the heresies that we see and heretics that we are familiar with it always goes to what they believe about Jesus always never fails what did they believe about the second person of the triune Godhead 1st Thessalonians chapter 5 verses 21 and 22 but examine everything carefully hold fast to that which is good verse 22 says abstain from every form of evil every form of evil 1st Timothy chapter 2 verse 5 1st Timothy 2 verse 5 for there is one God noticed for there's one God and one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus and it couldn't be just any man it had to be Christ had to be the second person of the Trinity any man couldn't just die for us he had to be the God man the Anthropos and notice verse 6 said just for context who gave himself as a ransom for all the testimony given as the proper time Paul says and then in one more verse 1st John chapter 4 verse 2 and 3 1st John 4 verses 2 and 3 by this you know the spirit of God every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God that's the litmus test John is not missing any words John is not speaking in abstract he's speaking clearly he says by this you notice spirit of God every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God the word may flesh and dwelt among us it's the same John in every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God this is the Antichrist of which you have heard that is coming and now it is already in the world so the reason why I wanted to cite these verses is because I want to lay the foundation in the groundwork as we get ready to respond or ask ask some simple questions and again I hope and pray that that Jason does watch this video I know he responds a lot on Twitter hopefully he may respond and hopefully he'll get to this video and I know that I have sent him videos privately to him and most of you have never seen it because I didn't make it public on my channel but I will make it public tonight so that way you can see for the record and on record my approach to Jason Woodlock contrary to what some people may try to say and maybe some people may have tried to put in his ear I know that there are individuals that are trying to hinder me from having conversations with people like Jason Woodlock or even have a platform to communicate and dialogue with people like Jason Woodlock because they don't like my style because I'm going against their their beloved idol John MacArthur and so some of these people are contributors and and our commentators on his on his on his show and these individuals do not care for me to have a conversation with Jason Woodlock and I believe by the end of this video you'll see why but nonetheless it's not going to stop me from doing what I'm called to do and my encouragement to you who may watch this is don't allow the enemy's tactics or his scheme to try to hinder you from doing what God has called you to do but nonetheless I have questions for brother Jason Woodlock regarding the affiliations of the two men whose clips I played in context in context and I'll remind myself to put the video up in this entirety in the description link below but if you were watching Jason Woodlock's show this past Friday on Fearless he had Bryson Gray and Royce White on his show and they were discussing and talking about Donald Trump and some of the things that they said for the most part may be correct but it's always that it's always that those those little things that we don't notice or those little things that go under the radar that fly under the radar that we don't see or notice that is very dangerous and it can cause people to to air and to walk in deception because a person can say that they're Christian but what do they believe about Christ is what determines whether or not a person is a Christian so Jason made a statement at the beginning actually at the beginning of his show but he had Donald Trump or Donald Trump Jr. on his show on Friday and he said something that was very very telling and I know he remembers saying it but just for the sake of remembrance and for those who may not know what he said here's what Jason mentioned. I have to ask you this the nature of this show fearless we're a very biblically based show we talk about a biblical worldview all the time. I have to ask you this the the nature of this show fearless we're a very biblically based show we talk about a biblical worldview all the time. So brother Jason if you are a biblically based show and if you address issues from a biblical perspective then my questions are gonna come from the Bible it's gonna come from the Word of God and my goal and my aim is to hopefully make you think regarding the people that may that you may consider to be friends that you are giving a platform to that you are giving a voice to but before I get to them I want to address a matter regarding what you have said. Again in another video you were talking about Donald Trump and I can't remember everything because you have basically said a lot but you cited you cited a passage in Luke 24 and in that in that scripture and in the text I believe in Luke's gospel regarding the two thieves on the cross you gave names of individuals that in scripture in the Bible that we hold as Christians not Catholics as Christians the scriptures don't disclose these these two thieves names but you did and you spoke authoritatively regarding this and here's my concerns regarding what you said. Justice told Christ are you not the Messiah save yourself and us. To the right of Jesus was decimus he told Christ Jesus remember me when you come into your kingdom. For those of you that aren't into the Bible justice is the guy who was to the left of Jesus there was three guys that got crucified the day on Good Friday. Jesus in the middle and to the left of him was this dude justice he was a thief G-E-S-T-A-S and to the right of him was a guy decimus D-I-S-M-A-S both of them thieves both of them convicted by these corrupt Romans and the people of Israel and the one dude wouldn't repent and just told you get me up off this cross you the Messiah.  Yeah that's not really what happened and then also if you notice the imagery of these men on the cross and particularly of Jesus this this is this is all Roman Catholic art. We don't know what Jesus look like and this this is one of the issues and concerns that I have is because it gives the wrong image of our Lord. We don't have any authoritative depiction or pictures of what Jesus looked like at all. We know he was a Jew. We know he was not white of European descent but none of that matters but what does matter is what is being portrayed and what is being described as being authoritative. What described as being is being authoritative. Now this is this is my concern. My concern is is when we give when we say what the Bible says we need to make sure by the grace spirit and power of God that we do not misrepresent what he says which is studied to show ourselves approved a workman who need to not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth meaning cutting it straight. We don't deviate from the pattern. We cut it straight. We say what scripture says and we leave the results and the implications to the individual or individuals who hear what scripture says. I'm not responsible for how people react to respond. I'm responsible for communicating what thus says the Lord. I am a parrot for the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Whatever he says that is exactly what I want to say. Nothing more and nothing less. So the next few clips ladies and gentlemen is my response and this is my video, the private video response that I gave to Jason Whitlock. Gave it to someone who's a mutual friend of his and because I wanted to make sure that they received it. I don't have his personal email. I asked Virgil Walker for it. Virgil Walker said he made it a vow for himself that he doesn't give people's personal information even though I asked him before. What can you give him mine and have the brother to reach out to me. Didn't happen. I wonder why. Maybe has to do with MacArthur but wouldn't surprise me if it did but nonetheless the next three clips that you're going to see are my response to Jason regarding his statements that he made about the two men, Dismas and Gestus. We don't know who these men were. We don't know their names. Neither does that matter but nonetheless if the scriptures do not say it then we shouldn't say it. We can say oh I think or I believe or preface it by saying there's no scripture to back of what I'm saying. I just believe based on what I'm seeing this. It's possible that this could be this person and that but when we speak authoritatively and we don't have the inspired writings of scripture as our support, our butchers and our backing then we do not need to say or go any further than what scripture goes. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians chapter 4 verse 7 do not exceed beyond that which is written. Don't go out of bounds. Everything has a border. We stay within the border. This is our border. This is the border for the Christian. We go no further than the pages of sacred scripture. Outside of the 66 books we're out of bounds. We're traveling. We're trespassing. We're transgressing and if you insist on doing it then you become flagrant and if you refuse to bow the knee to the scriptures and refuse to bow the knee to authority of God's word. You may be eternally disqualified and I don't believe any of us want that. So in Luke's gospel chapter 23, set of 24 excuse me and Luke 23 I believe this is the account that scripture gives regarding the two thieves on the cross. If the Holy Spirit of God wanted us to know these men's names he would have given us their names just like he gave us Cleopas's name in Luke 24 on the Emmaus Road but he didn't. Why? Because there was no need for him to do it. But nonetheless here's my response to Jason Whitlock and the private video that I sent to him and now you all will be seeing it for the first time too. Now actually those two men, Dismas and Gestus are not found in the Bible. They are found in the Apocrypha which is actually a pseudoprographal book which simply means fake writings. The word pseudoprographal it comes from two Greek words pseudo meaning fake and epigraphian which means to inscribe or write. So you put those two words together you get fake or false writings and actually that is where those two names derive from and you find those names that were written actually around the 4th century AD. And I say that because I know as Christians we want to make sure that we give the information to the people that we're trying to convey truth to. And so those two individuals is not found in the in our Bible is not found in Christian Bible but it is found in Roman Catholic Bibles. And so we know that Christians and Roman Catholics don't hold to the same views and same beliefs when it comes to Christ and things of that nature. But I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Actually their names are also mentioned in the Gospel of Nicodemus. And so you find that information in those books which are found in the Apocrypha. Actually just what I wanted to also share with you is here in this text in Luke chapter 23 and we started verse 39 through 43. But I'm reading also from the New American Standard you can see the King James version on the right of the screen. And I'll just read it for you here. It says one of the criminals who were hanging there were was hurling abuse at him saying are you not the Christ save yourself and us. But the other answered him and you can him said do you not even fear God since you are under the same sentence of condemnation. And we indeed suffering justly we are indeed just suffering just justly for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds. But this man has done nothing wrong. And he was saying Jesus remember me when you come into your kingdom. And he said to him truly I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise. So you notice here in the Gospel of Luke there's no mention of the names here. And you have asked yourself the question why well because again like I mentioned earlier. There's no there's no inspired writer Matthew Michael Luke or John which makes up the Synoptic Gospels if you will give no record of the name but you do find a record of the names here in the in the apocrypha of the New Testament which again is not a canonical or God inspired book. And so the story you find here is in this and send this book and it's in the apocrypha of the New Testament. It says in one of the male factors that were hanged by the name guest this spake unto him saying if they'll be the Christ save thyself and us but dismiss answering rebuked him saying does I'm not at all fear God seeing thou art in the same condemnation. And we indeed justly for we received the due reward for our of our deeds but this man have done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus remember me Lord in thy kingdom and Jesus said unto him really really I say unto thee that today thou shall be with me in paradise. And so again this is where you I guess we're referencing to but again this is not from the inspired writings description this is actually from the apocrypha. And so what I have in my Bible software I have this particular book which again is not a writing or a book that we would consider to be as authoritative and actually the the type of intertext that it is or the relationship that it is regarding the other canonical writings will be considered as an illusion.  So I just wanted to just wanted to share that with you as well. But I hope that maybe you and I can have a conversation again have been trying to reach out to you but hopefully maybe after you see this video and hear my heart and and know that I support your channel and support your ministry. Maybe we can connect and build by the grace of God but that's all I wanted to share with you but I do thank you for your time if you'd like to reach out to me you can do so by emailing me at sicklewoods and it's S A I K O Woods with the S at y'all dot com and then I'll also leave my number in the email below if you like to speak to me as well so brother God bless you and take care of yourself and I can always say on my channel whatever you do do all to the Lord God God bless now question I want to ask any of you who may just have seen this video. Was I rude to the brother was I insulting to the brother was I trying to you know disrespect him anything like that. The word my words to him sinful fleshly at all. I'm asking because to my knowledge I have not heard anyone approach him regarding what he has said about about the account of the about Lord being being in the scriptures. I think this is rush white. You said 501 C 3 Christianity Protestantism is completely intellectualized worship angelic interest scam Royce good to see you my friend. I would love to have a conversation with you I really would and I would like for us to have a conversation regarding Roman Catholicism and Christianity. If it is compatible your views regarding Jesus Mary being co-mediatrix co-redemptrix things of that nature if you if you are Roman Catholic then I would love to have a conversation with you. I think we would be able to to dialogue and to have a respectful respectful discourse. So if you would like to do that my friend. But I would really appreciate it. Again Seiko was at yahoo.com. Thank you for actually coming on. I do appreciate it. And maybe we can have that conversation very very soon. I really would hope that you would take me up in that offer and be able to just you know dialogue. I know I'm not one of the the who's who of your of your channel. I'm not Steve Bannon or anybody like that but but hopefully you would take me up on the on the offer. You said no it was an opinion. It was it was a statement. It wasn't an opinion was a statement. Okay I'm not I'm not following you what you're saying on that Royce but but yeah man if you if you can let's let's have a conversation bro. Let's let's have a conversation. I think we I think we'll be able to be able to dialogue. You said there are plenty of Catholics and Protestants. They have a strong faith practice this all this about which books are authentic from before the council is a jerk off. Okay well I think we can we can have that conversation. I think we I believe we can have that conversation. You know again I understand that your your view of my views may be different but I think it'd be helpful for those of us to be able to to discuss this and look at the scriptures. I think it would be if we look at the word of God and be able to say okay what does the word of God say about this in fact your statement was about Peter this if you remember this Royce. Peter denied Jesus three times right I mean the church was built on the rock of Peter. So you say the church was built on the rock of Peter. Do we have an account of the scriptures saying that or is that Roman Catholicism was that Roman Roman Catholic dogma. I believe it is the latter instead of the former but I want to give you the opportunity if you would like to do that we can definitely have a conversation and dialogue regarding regarding the scriptures. You said profanity is a 501c3 Christian scapegoat tell your churches to lay their taxes stop taking taxes that I'm not 501c3 bro I'm not 501c3 I'm I'm I speak freely over here but I feel you what you're saying I definitely feel you what you're saying and I did agree with you and your point regarding regarding Bryson Gray in his in his response to you which you rebutted and I definitely agree with you 100% on that 100% but what we disagree with you and I disagree is Peter the Bible does not say that Peter is the rock of the church never said that and I'm going to show you in the scriptures what it was with the scriptures teach regarding that so in fact let's go ahead and do that right now let's do that right now let's see where we here we go sorry about that Matthew chapter 16 verses 13 we're going to look at the context Matthew 16 verses 13 through 18 now when Jesus came to the district of Caesarea Philippi he was asking his disciples who do people say that the son of man is and they said some say John the Baptist and others Elijah but still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets verse 15 verse 15 and he said to them plural he's asking the disciples and he said to them who do you say but who do you say that I am verse 16 Simon Peter answered and said you are the Christ the son of the living God and Jesus said in verse 17 blessed are you Simon bar Jonah because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you which I can just preach on that right there anything that we get that is a truth of biblical truth it is from God he says flesh and blood didn't reveal this to you but my father who is in heaven verse 18 here's where we're going to hang our hat right quick and I also say to you verse 18 I also say to you that you are Petros you are Petros which means rock and upon this Petros Petros Petros is Peter upon this Petros Petros I will build my church future tense future tense and the gates of Hades will not overpower it that's what Jesus says Royce and I understand I understand brother you don't you don't you don't hold to this interpretation which makes you Roman Catholic can I get it I understand that but this is where you and I can have a dialogue and conversation either on your channel or mine let me know I would love to come up with you or you can come up with me and all we're going to do is go through the scriptures because if you're saying that Peter is the rock of the church Peter is not Jesus in nowhere in scripture does it teach that Jesus gave Peter authority over the entire church Peter was a disciple just like James John Andrew follow me Daniel Paul in fact if remember if you remember Royce this is the same Peter that was rebuked by Paul who Paul says he was untimely born remember that because of Paul's prejudice his ethnic prejudice but I'm not done let's look at the breath let's look at some other scriptures but again this word here that art Petros you are you are your stone but upon this statement this statement that you made this confession can remember the context is who do men say that I am and the Bible says that that Peter said thou art the Christ the son of the living God and he said flesh and blood did not reveal this to you reveal what to you he did not reveal the truth to you he says but my father is the one that revealed this to you so upon this rockbed statement that Peter made I'm going to build my church upon what he said not upon who he is because otherwise it would have been that art Petra that one Petros that one Petros and upon this Petros I'll be on my tree he didn't say that he said that art that art Petra and upon this Petra I will build my church so that's one statement are you okay with the highlights if the highlights is throwing you off in the in the red letters let me know and I'll I'll deactivate the highlight doesn't want to make sure people saw what I was trying to communicate and trying to say but let's continue moderators could you give Royce my email please if you don't mind put put my email up in the chat in Royce hit me up send me a contact number and we can definitely have a conversation my friend I appreciate it thank you first Corinthians chapter 10 verse 4 for context look let's look at verse study verse 1 part right into the church of Corinth and Royce let me let me imagine this question before I continue on do you see this email right here that my wife has put up Royce do you see that if you can see that email Royce this is just acknowledge it if you don't mind and I'll continue on I want to make sure that you get this if you want to have a conversation I would love to have a conversation with you on your channel or mine and if not I'll just continue on but I want to make sure that you see it on the screen before I proceed on first Corinthians chapter 10 verse 1 let me do this let me bring this down for some reason maybe I had my screen too big here okay alright verse verse verse 1 for I do not want you to be unaware brethren that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea and all ate the same spiritual food verse 4 verse 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them and the rock was who Christ not Peter Christ the Messiah Royce I can tell you your commenting but I'm going to continue on with this presentation because I have questions to ask you about this you said just so happens Peter translated into small stone yes you just happened to leave this coincidence not clever nobody said that we already know it means a stone his his name means Peter means it means rock but as a play on words the two Greek words that were used and in Matthew 16 and 17 are not Petra and Petra it's Petros and Petra two different Greek words which gives a play on words so it's not the same sir I know you but I know you would like for it to be but it's not sorry it's not the stone that was rejected would become the cornerstone was not about the church it was about his relationship to God and the sacrifice he would make for eternity say what Christ is the cornerstone he is the anchor he's what holds all things all things together into place but again if you're saying that Peter you already said in your clip that Peter is there is the is the rock of the church he's not Peter's not the foundation of any church no where does the scripture teach that nowhere I know you try to force that but the text says right here in verse four of first Corinthians chapter 10 and the rock was Christ but I'm not done let's go to Ephesians chapter 2 verse 20 Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 20 but I'm glad to see that you that you came on the on the live the Royce I appreciate that at least one of you did verse 19 so then you are no longer strangers and aliens but you are fellow citizens with the saints and are of God's household having been built upon having been built excuse me on the foundation of the of the Apostles and prophets a Royce do you see this word Apostles right here did it say is it singular or plural I'm just asking you Royce what is the what is the verb tense of this of this word Apostles he says having been built on the foundation of the Apostles that's plural and prophets that's plural he didn't say having been having been built on the foundation of the Apostle he didn't use a definite article for one person he used it for plurality of men of the Apostles and the prophets but notice Christ Jesus himself being the corner the anchor that which holds all things together in fact let me just go to first two Colossians Colossians chapter 1 verse 5 verse 13 for he rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved son in whom we have redemption the forgiveness of sins he is the image of the invisible God that is Jesus that's Christ the firstborn of all creation I know Bryson your your compatriot believes that that Christ was given divinity he wasn't he was he was never divine from all eternity he was given divinity scripture doesn't teach that but it says verse 16 by him that is Jesus the son by him for by him all things were created both in the heavens and on earth visible and invisible with the thrones the dominions the rulers or authorities all things have been created through him and for him verse 17 verse 17 he is before all things and in him all things hold together wait a minute verse 18 he is also head of the body that is what the church but wait a minute Royce you said this Peter denied Jesus three times right I mean the church was built on the rock of Peter how was the church built on the rock of Peter and I just mentioned to you here that Christ is the head of the church the rock was Christ but again Colossians 118 Colossians 118 he is also head of the body he is also head of the body the church and he is the beginning the firstborn from the dead so that he himself will come to have first place in everything Ephesians 5 23 let's go back there Ephesians chapter 5 verse 23 and we shrink this down we'll make sure everybody sees it for the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is also the head of the church he himself being the savior of the body he himself being the savior of the body one more Royce because I believe you you teach if you're Roman Catholic then you have to be consistent in your in your theology because what do you do with first Timothy chapter 2 verse 5 which teaches for there's one God and one mediator also between God and men the man Christ Jesus what do what do we do with that Mary is not mediator between God and man it is the man Christ Jesus not a woman is it is the man Christ Jesus and all I'm doing my friend is reading the scriptures that's all I'm doing I'm not I'm not giving anything other than what the Bible says in fact if Mary is co-mediator and co-redemptrix then what do we do with Luke chapter chapter chapter 1 I believe and I think we can start at verse 46 let's go real quick and this is nowhere in my nose I'm just thinking about this as the spirit gives it to me but Luke chapter 1 verse 46 how can how can someone redeem me from my sins if they are a sinner themselves that's that's fine Royce I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad with not with like knows knows about you knows how you're coming that's fine but I want to I want to have a conversation with you because I believe that this is important my friend what we do with Jesus what we believe about Jesus has eternal consequences that's all I'm saying so if you if you're telling me that Mary is your let me let me just ask you for the record okay let me just ask you for the record Royce do you believe that Mary is co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix do you believe that yes or no this is simple yes simple no simple simple yes simple no do you believe that Mary is co- mediatrix and co-redemptrix and that she has perpetual virginity yes or no do you believe that yes or no that's all I know I believe you're still there right Royce because I need to continue on I wanted all this silence to be to be deafening right now I'm just asking you a simple question is is Mary co-redemptrix and co- mediatrix yes or no sir according to your belief according to your religion which is Roman Catholicism yes or no you said men who start a question by saying it is a simple yes or no I would most likely smack a person smack a person smack a person who taught you that morning bro I'm not sure what you what you being violent about but I'm not that dude either though bro I'm just asking you a simple question and see what what you fail to do is come in here respectfully I didn't diss you I'm not disrespecting you but if that's how you're gonna move it is what it is but ain't no punks over here bro none I'm just asking you a simple question dog that's it so let me ask you again can maybe you don't understand my question based on your belief being Roman Catholic is that's what you said do you believe that Mary is mediator the mediator between God and man and do you believe that she's the one who redeems us and yeah simple yes or no answer that's all simple yes or no answer but you but you but you you're talking about Christianity but you want it you want to go to blows that's not going to happen though I'm just asking you I'm just asking you a simple question respectfully bro but you don't want to answer I'll just keep on moving but nonetheless verse 46 notice what notice what Mary says about what she was now told that she was going to do matter of fact let's look at the context for a second verse 39 now this time Mary rose and went into a hurry to the hill country to a city of Judah and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth verse 41 when Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting the baby leaped in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she cried out with a loud voice and said blessed are you among women and blesses the fruit of your womb and how it has happened to me that the mother of my Lord would come to me for behold when the sound of your greeting reached my ears the baby leaped in my womb for joy and blesses she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of the of what had been spoken to her by the Lord and Mary said my soul exalts the Lord and my spirit has rejoiced in God notice the personal pronoun my savior my savior for he has regard for the humble state of his bonds ladies for behold from this time on all generations will count me blessed for the mighty one has done great things for me but she's but she's co-redemptory she's co- mediator but she's she's talking like a sinner in need of a savior because she recognizes this but just wanted to put that out there but another thing you said though Royce was this we have to hope all of us especially as Christians we have to pray and we have to hope all of us especially as Christians we have to pray okay my question is our can our Catholics and Christians are they one in the same answer to that question is no no we're not one of the same we have a different Jesus we have a different savior a different gospel we have a different Lord we have a different means of salvation that's what the Bible teaches Royce and those who hold to Roman Catholicism this is not a diss but you making public statements I have a right to respond just like you have a right to respond to people that make statements regarding the left and anybody else I find it rather interesting and funny unfortunately so that we're quick to talk about Democrats and we're quick to talk about those on the left but when people on the right who claim to be conservative they ought to automatically equate that to being Christian newsflash ladies and gentlemen being Christian or being conservative does not make you Christ being Republican does not declare you righteous in God's sight it does not and being a Trump supporter does not make your sins make your sins be taken away does not but not one time for the record did I disrespect Royce the Royce is coming on my channel disrespecting me make that make sense ladies and gentlemen but again I've already given you my email I've already given you my contact information and I've already given you my email I've already given you my email I've already given you my contact information is yours to accept Royce and yours to to reject that's up to you that's up to you no no Royce Roman Catholics are not Christians I'm sorry no they're not if your if your if your means of salvation has anything to do with Mary Royce you're not saved bro and I say that respectfully but I say that truthfully nonetheless it doesn't matter what you believe it matters in who you believe and if Mary has anything to do with your salvation you are not saved period don't get mad at me God wrote it I just quoted bro and I mean that if Mary has anything to do with your salvation at all your salvation is based on works it's not based on the finished work of Christ well I'll say it for you anyone who embraces Roman Catholicism is not a Christian no difference someone embraces Mormonism or someone embraces Jehovah Witness or someone embraces Islam and they claim to be Christian you can't remember we heard heard a whole term called chrysalon you cannot be a Christian and add anything else to what Christ has already done his work is finished and again and again Royce you can throw the shots all you want bro I'm not even insulting you but it is what it is I'm not a 501c3 I'm not a 501c3 Christian so you know if that's all you got it's unfortunate but we'll move on but anyway so you said again for the record we have to hope all of us especially as Christians we have to pray so a Christian are those who have placed their faith and trust in Christ alone for salvation a Christian are those whose sins have been paid for by the blood of Christ a Christian recognizes that they can do nothing to save themselves and they fall upon the mercy of God and they place their faith and trust in what Christ has done on their behalf that is it those are the ones whose prayers are heard those are the ones who have access to the Father and it is not through Mary period how do I know that John 9 verse 31 John writes in verse 31 and actually this is the Jews saying this in the context of the blind man we know that God does not hear sinners but if anyone is God fearing and does his will he hears him so sinners don't have access to the Father the only prayer that God will do is that no one who has not placed their faith and trust in Christ is saved doesn't matter what you do doesn't matter how many Hail Marys you give how much penance how many confession books you go into none of that stuff matters none of it we exalt Christ in him alone that is it Mary gets nothing nothing we don't pray to the dead we don't pray to the saints none of that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ none of that and somebody needs to tell people that need to tell our Catholic friends our Roman Catholic friends Rush needs to know that but let's look at some scriptures here 1 John chapter 5 1 John 5 verse 15 these things verse 13 I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life verse 14 this is the confidence which we have before him if we ask anything according to his will he hears us and if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask we know that we have the requests which we have asked of him verse 20 the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true and we are in him who is true in his son Jesus Christ this is the true God and eternal life and again what do we do and who do we go to in order to get to the Father and maybe this ain't Royce maybe this is that's about I'm not really sure because I've already said I don't know how many times that I don't have a 501 C3 and in my church I don't have one I had to leave my church because they were bringing demons into the camp by acknowledging frats and sorrows Royce see this is how I move over here so I don't know what their tax exempt status is neither do I care about are you preaching the Word of God boldly and are you making disciples of all nations as the Bible says preaching the Word in season and out of season that's the role of the under shepherd one of them so I'm not really sure why you're asking all these deflective questions no don't block them no don't block them leave them alone let them talk I've already tried to give them the opportunity for us to schedule a conversation this is what it is he don't want it I'm not going to worry about it which denomination is the pure Christian denomination none of them and especially not Roman Catholics no such thing as the pure Christian denomination I don't know anybody that is a Christian that would say something like that I know of no Christian that would ever say and fix their mouth to say something like that Royce no one that I know you good at making political commentary Royce but when it comes to departments when it comes to the precepts of scripture I think that's where you out of your league bro and that's not a diss that's just a fact but again love to have a conversation with you regarding Roman Catholicism and Christianity and what do you do with Jesus and who is Mary and how is one saved would love to have that but let's continue we're almost done we're almost done so we've dealt with some of the serious stuff now let's deal with the silliness of the concerns here let's deal with the silliness of my concerns regarding the people that that Jason Whitlock has collaborated with and have considered to be brothers of Christ and again this is not a jab I'm not attacking anybody nobody say that I'm attacking Royce can't say that I'm attacking Jason can't even say that I'm attacking Bryson Gray I'm just using your words in this proper context and I'm responding to it with scripture and if you don't like it just don't like it it is what it is but I'm not going to change what God has called me to do and call people Christians who have not placed their faith in trust in Jesus Christ there's a lot of good things Royce but that does not make you righteous yeah I have pre-centric commentary when you talk about politics when you talk about the industrial complex and things like that I have no problem with listening to any of that but when you make statements about Christianity and you try to conflate Christianity with Roman Catholicism and say that we need to pray my Bible says that we can't pray together how can two walk together unless we agree at Amos 3.3 we don't agree who Christ is and how he is the savior and the only savior and he's the only mediator and he's the only one that we're to confess our sins to for salvation not the pope not your local priest none of that when I take the sacraments I don't hold the transubstantiation I hold the consubstantiation that the bread and the cup are not the literal body and blood of our Lord that's what y'all hold to and in fact y'all say we don't believe what y'all believe we're anathema read your councils why you think Martin Luther battled and went against the Roman Catholic Church because of the indulgences purgatory Christians don't hold to that bro there's no the only holding place for the unbeliever is hell and there's no coming back from that to do something else no once you go there you go into the lake of fire that's the final that's the second death that's it now I know that's what your religion teaches but again I'm not I haven't attacked you bro haven't attacked you at all and no have I disrespected you but you came over here disrespected me but for the record let it be shown it is what it is I'm giving facts I'm not walking and moving in my feelings unfortunately I thought you had been better than that that you would have come correct better than what you did today somewhat disappointing but not surprised when people are in their flesh but anyway let's wrap it up with Bryson I don't really take what Bryson says when I say seriously I'm talking about serious in the context that it's going to have a weight on my soul but I do take serious what he says when it affects other people who believe that he's a Christian unfortunately Jason Whitlock believes that Bryson Gray is a Christian my concern for you Jason is do you really know what this man believes about the Jesus that you claim that you serve I'm going to I'm going to lean on the side of saying I don't think you do but if you're watching this live and hopefully Royce will holler at his big bro and oh by the way Royce I'm 52 years old I'll be 53 in October I'm old enough to be your father homie do the math you're 31 I got sons your age so how about giving me my respect as an elder I'm not that young from Jason maybe like maybe four years maybe five tops younger than than Jason is but you're 31 years old bro I got sons your age and I wouldn't take kindly to them coming on somebody else's channel disrespecting them and calling them names but my sons move better than that because they respect their elders and they know how to disagree respectfully and I would assume your parents taught you better since you've talking and spoken very highly of your parents just wanted to give you a little housekeeping rule going forward when you're talking to somebody that's older than you how about giving them some respect bro put some respect on my name and put some respect on this channel just like I would come to your channel and give you respect wouldn't talk to you side-eyed and talk to you crazy but you have to let you know that but let's get to your compatriot let's get to your boy Bryson Gray and maybe y'all hold to the same views I would assume you don't I would assume you don't Royce but just in case you do and again I would assume that you don't I would assume that you don't or maybe you don't care but I hope that Jason cares enough to know what this man believes about his lord because as a Christian I can't biblically justify supporting the lesser of two evils as a Christian I can't find myself questioning things let me tell you why when I got popular in the Christian scene it's because I called out Lecrae in the song the reason I called him out because in an interview he was soft on the aspects of homosexuality because he has a gay cousin I called him out for that I called out Joe Osteen not because he hosts gay parties because he simply is soft on a few different things I called out influencers that claim to be Christian for the same way right Bryson I'm calling you out because you're not a Christian you deny core, essential values on what makes a person a Christian you deny that Jesus Christ is God you deny and even have gone as far as I was on record to say that Jesus isn't God you keep saying that Jesus got or received his divinity from the father the Bible doesn't teach that that's your Jesus into the text Jesus said he always was God he came on earth as a man the word became flesh and dwelt among us John 1 says and we beheld his glory the only begotten glory from the father full of grace and truth that is what John 1 says he explained what I'm saying I don't think you understand I do understand what you're saying I don't agree with you you said it before you said that the father gave Jesus his divinity everything Jesus has from the father divinity means I thought we defined that divinity means God does it not? it means of God or God like okay so Jesus is not God like Jesus is God that's what we did for them no no no he is God no he is of God no he is of God no he is of God I'm not really sure Jason if you knew that your contributor or commentator that you have on your channel who has publicly gone on record and have said that he's a Christian does not believe that Jesus who you claim to worship that you claim has saved you who you claim is God does not believe that Jesus is God what are we to do with that Jason? how are we to respond to people who one minute say that they're a Christian but when you hear them in interviews like Jesse Lee Peterson who by the way Jesse Lee Peterson Jason and Bryson Gray and Brandon Tatum all three deny the deity and the triunity of the Godhead how are those men Christians conservative yeah Christian Republican yeah I guess righteous in God's sight redeemed why because what do they believe about Jesus Jason is the issue what do they believe about Jesus and if they don't believe that Jesus is God if they don't believe that Jesus is God manifesting the flesh if they do not believe that he is the one who created all things that he was in the beginning with God that he has the same the same attributes the same divine perfections as the father and the spirit they're not saved and they're not our brother and they should not be yours either there is not one verse in the New Testament where Jesus calls himself God okay Revelation chapter 1 verse 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God who is and who was and who is to come the Almighty Bryson that's one but oh by the way the Bible says all scripture is inspired by God Theonistos it is God breathe all scripture is God breathe and it is profitable for teaching correction destruction and righteousness so that the man or woman of God may be equipped thoroughly furnished for unto good works that's what the Bible says but let's look at some other texts since again I don't know why folk mad yes I do but let's look at the scriptures because you can be mad at what the word says you can't get mad at me again God wrote it we're gonna start at verse 3 and we'll end at verse 13 Hebrews chapter 1 verse 3 Hebrews 1 let's go to verse 1 just for the heck of it God after he spoke long ago to the fathers and the prophets in many portions and in many ways in these last days has spoken to us in his son whom he appointed the heir of all things through whom also he made the world that is Jesus and he that is Jesus is the radiance of his glory and the exact representation the exact of his nature exact the exact image the exact likeness the exact of his nature and oppose all things by the word of his power when he had made purification of sins he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high having become as much better than the angels and has inherited a more excellent name than they for to which of the angels did he ever say Bryson you are my son today I have begotten you and again I will be a father to him and he shall be a son to me and when he again brings the firstborn into the world he says and let all the angels of God worship him and of the angels he says who makes his angels wins and his menaces a flame of fire but verse 8 oh my gosh verse 8 he says your throne oh God is forever and ever and the righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom you have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness therefore God your God has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your companions and verse 10 you lord in the beginning lay the foundation of the way he's still talking about the son remember the context Bryson but of the son he says this and you lord in the beginning lay the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of your hands they will perish but you will remain and they all will become like an old garment and like a mantle you will roll them up like a garment they will also be changed but you are the same but you are the same and your years will not come to an end but to which of the angels has he ever said sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet Philippians chapter 2 verses 3 let me see I think verses now let's go to verse 5 verse you got my email bro you got my email imagine that guy referring to scripture I tried to delegitimize the mother of Jesus Catholics don't worship Mary we exalt her we exalt Christ see that's the point we don't exalt Mary that's your problem we don't exalt her appreciator but we don't exalt her you can't worship Christ and Mary it doesn't go like that it doesn't work like that that's the problem see my Jesus ain't on the cross anymore my Jesus ain't on the cross anymore and you're violating you're violating the second command you don't put make yourself an idol of any graven image of heaven above or whatever you can't what does Jesus look like and that's my point Royce you're slippy showing bro you're slippy showing exalting her is worship sir exalting her is worship look it up let's see verse 5 of Philippians chapter 2 have this attitude in yourselves which also was in Christ Jesus who although he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped but he emptied himself notice a voluntary action he emptied himself do you see that y'all he emptied himself reflexive he did it upon himself and the text says and taking the form of a bond servant and being made in the likeness of men being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death even death on the cross for this reason for this reason also God highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name so that at the name of Jesus every knee notice will bow every knee will bow Bryce and excuse me if Jesus ain't God then anyone bowing to him will be committing idolatry right? notice at the name of Jesus every knee will bow of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord he is Lord he is Creos to the glory of God the Father but wait ladies and gentlemen Bryce is not done there's more to find with me all of them why was Jesus killed? because he said he was the son of God you wanna pay money on him? let me not pay money on the Bible that's actually wrong I'm gonna ask the question again where in the Bible does it say you have to say Jesus is God to go to heaven if y'all think he is not please do not argue in the comments if he is God or not if the son is the father if they are 3-in-1 or 1-in-3 please don't argue about that right now in the comments please the arguments last all day long I'm asking y'all when does the Bible say that you have to say Jesus is God to go to heaven I guarantee you it never says it is it imagining wrong people? no I know most of y'all know the Bible so hmm so it doesn't say it so if you tell me that I have to say it if you tell Brandon that he have to say it if you go tell anybody that he have to say it if you try to say it because somebody didn't say that he literally is God then there are much of hope as witness you don't know Scripture actually Bryson you're the one who doesn't know Scripture I just gave you all Philippians 2 that every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord he is Korea but not only that not only that but also in John 8 verse 24 John 8 verse 24 the Bible says therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins Jesus is the I am he is the same I am the same I am as he was in Exodus chapter 3 verse 14 I am who I am we agree with that but here's my question do you agree with what Bryson has said about Jesus not being God do you agree with Bryson do you agree that Bryson is a Christian too if he denies that Jesus Christ is God do you believe that I mean since you're here could you at least go on record and say that Bryson Gray does not embrace Christianity if he does not believe that Jesus Christ is God that he was eternally with the Father from the beginning so um Christ is the I am he is the I am of Exodus 3 verse 14 he is the I am the same essence in nature as the Father but let's continue because again I want to cite these scripture texts because he said again that Jesus never said that if you don't believe I'm God well he says right here if you don't believe that I am you will die in your sins but wait a minute verse 58 and 59 of the same book same chapter we know the context Pharisees Jews coming at Jesus telling him who he's not and he's already told them who he was but notice it called Jesus demonic let's go back up for a second here we go he was of God here's the words of God verse 47 for this reason you do not hear because you are not of God the Jews and students said to him do we not rightly say that you are a Samaritan and have a demon verse 49 I do not have a demon but I honor my Father and you just honor me but I do not seek my glory there is one who seeks and judges truly truly I say to you if anyone notice keeps my word he will never see death wait a minute that's not like a God statement to me but wait the Jews know exactly what he means and notice what it says now we know that you have a demon now we know that you have a demon Abraham died in the prophets also and you say if anyone keeps my word he will never taste of death surely you are not greater than our Father Abraham who died the prophets died too who do you make yourself out to be Jesus answer if I glorify myself my glory is nothing but the Father who glorifies me of whom you say he is our God and you have not come to know him but I know him and if I say that I do not know him I will be a liar like you but I do know him and keep his word your Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad what day was that when he went to Abraham prior to him destroying Sodom and Gomorrah yeah that day he says your Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad the Jews said to him you are not yet 50 years old and yet you have seen Abraham truly truly I say to you before Abraham was born I am therefore they picked up stones to throw at him but Jesus hit himself and went out to the temple why did they want to pick up stones and throw at him because the Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant from when he said before Abraham was I am chapter 10 same book let's hurry on I'm not going to be up here for 2 hours and for the record y'all can't say that I was trying to keep this live for 2 hours you got to blame it on Royce it's all good say that in jest not as an insult say it in jest verse 27 of John 10 my sheep hear my voice let's go back let's go back for a second verse 24 the Jews gathered around him and were saying to him how long will you keep us in suspense if you are the Christ tell us plainly verse 25 verse 25 I told you and you do not believe the works that I do in my Father's name you don't testify of me but you do not believe because you are not of my sheep verse 27 my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and notice I give eternal life to them wait a minute only God gives eternal life right right right Bryson does not only God give eternal life Peter don't give eternal life Mary don't give eternal life Jesus is making bold and emphatic statements oh I'll answer that question in just a second Royce who wrote these scriptures I'll answer that in just a second let me get to this point because I've already dealt with you I'm dealing with your boy Bryson for a second I'll get back to you in a minute verse 28 says and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand you gotta be God in order to make a statement like that but wait a minute there's more my Father who has given them to me is greater than all Bryson he didn't say greater than him he says greater than all the context is those who would try to snatch them out of the Father's hand and out of his hand or my Father who has given to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch out of the Father's hand verse 30 how do we know that he ain't talking about himself being less greater quote unquote than the Father in nature he says verse 30 I and the Father are one and what did the Jews do how did the Jews respond to this did they receive it and know they rejected them verse 31 the Jews picked up stones again to stone him just like they did in chapter 8 verse 58 and 59 the text says they picked up stones again to stone him Jesus answered them I showed you many good works from the Father for which of them are you stoning me the Jews answered him for a good work we do not stone you but for blasphemy and because you being a man make yourself out and italics is to be make yourself out God make yourself to be God the Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant and what Jesus said Bryson only thing is you don't know what Jesus means and what Jesus says and that's the sad thing about it that's the sad thing about it now let me just go ahead and answer your question real quick Royce and then get to my last my last clip of your partner and you said you asked the question you said what who wrote the scriptures God wrote it but he used men how do I know that let's go over to the text let's look at the scriptures let the scriptures do the talking I don't need to talk about it 2 Peter 1 verse 20 and 21 look at the text for notice first of all but notice first of all excuse me that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God that's he wrote it that's he wrote it Royce God did God wrote it Royce you just made my point you just made my point I just gave you the scripture right there but the Pope ain't gonna do that nothing absolutely nothing men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God holy man by the way Royce holy man spoke from God now again I wanna read or actually play one more clip because I wanna make sure people get the context on what was stated regarding Bryson now I said we was moving from the serious to the silly and pretty much you've heard enough serious heresies but now I'm gonna give you a little bit of the silly heresy that Bryson Gray holds Bryson Gray holds to what is called biblical patriarchy and it's actually the abuse of biblical patriarchy and I'm not making this stuff up I don't want you to think I'm making any of this stuff up because I'm not I want to let you hear what Bryson himself says regarding that but let me just give let me give let me give Royce one more text 2 Timothy chapter 3 in verse 16 we gonna keep it pushing all scripture Royce is inspired by God all of it from the black and white to the red and black from the white letters I mean black letters on white pages to the red letters on white pages all of it is inspired by God all of it and profitable for teaching for training and righteousness what's the purpose here it is so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work so Royce I believe in the totality of the scriptures I do not believe the apocrypha is the word of God I do not believe the gospel of Nicodemus is the word of God I believe that the canon of the scriptures are closed I believe that what we have is all we need I don't need the pope I don't need any of Roman Catholic dogma to prove or to make myself acceptable to God Royce I don't Jesus paid it all as the hymn the writer says and all to him I owe that's it plus nothing else my faith is in the finished work of Christ the finished work of Christ and in him alone this is my faith rest I hope your faith rest in Christ if your faith rest in Mary if you're exalting Mary if you're putting Mary on any pedestal where only God belongs my friend you are not worshiping God in spirit and in truth but again you have my email you have my email all you have to do is take me up on the offer and we can have a conversation either your live or mine because the last thing I'm trying to do is misrepresent anything that you believe if you don't believe these things then fine then make a public declaration and denunciation of what you say but you said that you're Roman Catholic you said that I didn't make that up, you said it so let's let's let's go ahead and move on let's continue, let's wrap this up Bryson Gray's view some of y'all remember this but for the record I want to make sure that it's stated here on this channel and on this live because I have yet to hear Roy say that he does not agree or disagree with what Bryson Gray says about about God about Jesus and that's how I missed this comment and if I did then please tell me again you can email me Royce and tell me whether or not you believe that Bryson Gray is a Christian because of his denial of the Trinity his denial of Jesus Christ being God and his salvation by works you tell me now y'all probably run neck and neck on his salvation by works thing but if you're telling me that you don't believe him his position on Christ not being God I would love to hear that but anyway here's what your boy said the woman is the weaker vessel she's supposed to listen to the man the man I'm supposed to listen to her though what did you say hey bruh come on now dawg come on man put the eye on her but the man is supposed to be obedient to her she's supposed to be obedient to the man according to scripture they are one and that's what their marriage is right become one in Christ but that one obviously doesn't mean equal in value because what the man says is obviously higher in value alright because the woman is supposed to be obedient to the man the woman is supposed to submit man and the man is supposed to rightfully so honor that woman and love the woman as he love Christ but she is supposed to be obedient so equal in value that verse doesn't say that so are you thinking that the wife are you thinking that women are less value of less value than the man look look look look look at this somebody come look at this I think a man decision means more I mean come on man I mean come on man come on what you doing what you doing I'm going to say something about the super converse the best person was that I think if people are married they should only be able to vote once and the man vote should be that vote you just don't get it do you you don't alright let's see what the bible says regarding the equality of the man and the woman whether or not she has equal value and worth as the man does shall we Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 and 27 then God said let us hey Bryson you see that us right here take a while guess what that is that's plural bro plural but I digress then God said let us make man in our image according to our likeness and let them rule them rule mankind let them rule over the fish of the sea over the birds of the sky and over the cattle over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth verse 27 God created man in his own image in the image of God he created them male and female created them he said he would join us live tell him to stand by tell him to stand by tell him to stand by in fact I need his email so I can send him the link so I can send him the link he needs to email it to me so I can send him the link but let me get through these scriptures chapter 2 verse 18 Genesis 2 then the Lord God said it is not good for man to be alone for the man to be alone I will make him a helper suitable for him out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field every bird of the sky and brought them to the man to see what he would call them and whatever the man called the living creature that was his name the man gave names to all the cattle and to birds of the sky but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him so the Lord God calls the deep sleep to fall upon the man and he slept then he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place the Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which he had taken from the man and brought her to the man the man said this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she shall be called a woman because she was taken out of man for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and they shall become one flesh and the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed but Bryson said that you know the man that she shouldn't listen to I mean he shouldn't listen to the woman well okay let's look at the text I got you Roy stand by I'll send it to you just a second thank you I'll send it to you just a second we have one descriptive text matter of fact in the Old Testament verse verse 12 of Genesis 21 remember the story of Hagar Sarah Hagar in Abraham now Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian whom she had bore to him that she had borne to Abraham mocking therefore she said to Abraham drive off this maid and her son for this son of this maid shall not be in air with my son Isaac verse 11 the matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son verse 12 but God said to Abraham do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid whatever Sarah tells you listen to her hmm for through Isaac your descendants shall be named and again remember the story of Herod's wife Herod's wife said I had a dream about that about that man leave that righteous man alone unfortunately they didn't but she said leave that man alone but according to Bryson nobody should listen to nobody should listen to the woman let's continue stand by stand by Royce I'm going to finish these verses because this needs to get out here this needs to be cleared up Galatians chapter 3 in verse 28 there's neither Jew nor Greek slave no free there's neither male nor female for you are all one in Christ Jesus when it comes to salvation when it comes to our worth quote unquote value and equality we are all one in Christ Jesus there's no there's no less than important in God's economy among fellow image bearers first Peter 3 7 your husband is in the same way live with your wives in an understanding way as with someone weaker weaker vessel weaker since she is a woman that's it and show her honor notice show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life that your prayers would not be hindered I tell people this I tell men all the time if you don't respect your wife get off your knees God ain't hearing you because she's your prayer plumb line God says grant her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life so that your prayers are not hindered but see people like Bryson this is this is the admonition for people like Bryson social media influence let not many of you become teachers or stricter judgment and then lastly first Timothy chapter 1 verses 3 through 7 as I urge you upon my departure from Macedonia remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines know to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies which give rise to mis-speculation rather than the furthering of the administration of God which is by faith but the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith for some men strained from these things strained from these things have turned aside to fruitless discussion wanting to be teachers of the law even though they do not understand either what they are saying nor the matters about which they make confident assertions in other words they're strong and wrong that's basically what they are strong and wrong John brother let me tell you something man I told him I'm going to come up with him in just a second I'm going to get my verses done alright so I'm not I'm not rushing for anybody I gave him the link I'm about to give him the link now excuse me but he's about to come on brother you don't rush anybody on this channel let me give him the link now let me open up another window let's see here here we go here's the link stand by ladies and gentlemen again alright there we go alright Royce I just sent you the link let me show you should be sent out correctly alright just waiting for Royce to come on in alright let's see if Royce is still there he should be coming in hopefully alright I think that's him let's see where you go hang him on here and I'll add him to the right guest is in the green room guest hold on Royce let me bring you on here give me a second here let me add another guest one give me a minute okay give me one second Royce I'm just trying to add you onto the channel see here no problem no problem okay so I think I added you to guest one Royce why it's not doing that hold on alright alright man welcome to the live man can you see me can you hear me yeah I can hear you good I can see you good thank you welcome thank you man I appreciate the time good man so what's the issue man I don't have an issue I just think it's kind of strange to me to see so much Catholic I mean I would say on the face of it is just like there's a serious misrepresentation of the current Catholic standing around many of these issues okay number one that number one that we put Mary on the same pedestal as God or Christ it's not true it's not true at all Mary is Mary is above other saints she's above other certain prophets but she's not above she is not on the same level as Christ and she's not on the same level as God in the Catholic tradition not in the Catholic tradition I came up in now here's another thing that's being misrepresented that Catholicism in general around the world is monolithic yes it presented as monolithic through a symbolic figure like the pope but every every congregation every separate congregation does not follow all of these all of these nuanced interpretations of the text to a T so you may get a priest in this place who does this thing this way you make it a priest here who does this thing this way so there's a lot of human a lot of a lot of individuality brought to the way that scripture is interpreted in Catholic institutions hence you had a Catholic pedophile epidemic or a Catholic pedophile thing where obviously those priests were deviating from the from the scripture and from the norm so you know these are just misinterpretations but but and I don't even that's not the big issue that I have the big issue is that it seems to me as though a lot of these nuances or disagreements around interpretation of scripture are used to keep us distracted from the fact that an anti-God force is on the rise and it's on the move and and I might add many 501c3 Christian institutions have conceded the ground for this anti-God force to proliferate in society while they argue about the interpretation of scripture I'm not I'm not stupid to that and anybody who tries to present who anybody who tries to have a sort of conversation that avoids that that stark reality that obvious reality that the anti-God movement is right in our face that our doorstep is is being dishonest in my opinion the proof is there the proof is there so I again I appreciate you for coming on so let me just ask you the question you said that Mary is higher above the prophet you said I mean when you say prophet Mary is in a special place according to what according to her being the mother of God and according to her being chosen as a blessed vessel to be able to carry the Trinitarian Christ you have to believe if you don't believe that Mary is unique then you believe that God is God why would God allow why would God choose a woman a single individual woman upon no marriage that's not a God that we would serve okay so unique in what sense are you referring to her being unique being a virgin a virgin yes she was she was without sin now you say she was without sin she was a virgin she was without that type of sin now okay so but she was not she was not without the sin of Adam not without the sin of Adam no okay so okay so I want to make sure you're qualifying your point because you said at first you said she was without sin so now my question is she was without without sexual sin sexual immorality okay so now do you have a scripture that would support Mary being above the prophets or being in a higher rank the scripture is that she was chosen she was chosen by God to carry the son of God we agree with that but you said that but I don't need anymore see the problem I have with your whole interpretation is that you'll say oh well we don't need any extra scripture or it's just a scripture but I'm using just a scripture itself to qualify okay so then give me the title of my show is called the scripture is that Mary was chosen to bear Jesus Christ I don't need no more than that but Royce hold on if you're saying that we're having a theological conversation right okay so we're having a theological conversation then we need to have a standard by which we're discussing theology which is the study of God okay so then if you're making a statement about Mary birthing God in flesh right okay so then we have to have a basis by which your statement is being buttressed I can say that no she was not she was not of special in rank and being above any other human being because the scripture doesn't teach that matter of fact Mary's own words and what I had cited I'm not really sure if you remember me citing it but I cited in Luke's gospel she said that Jesus was her savior and she called herself a bond slave so how are you a bond slave in higher rank than the apostles and the prophets and they called themselves bond slaves too by the way she said that she said that out of humility as out of humility which is right and us Catholics would interpret her her statement there as being out of a rightful humility to the position of Christ and her understanding of the position of Christ having been so close to him and so intimate during his lifetime so she said the right thing but as we interpret Mary we interpret if you're Mary if you're Mary and you were given a message straight from the from the angel straight from God that you're going to bear the salvation of man the salvation that one true son God's Christ of course of course you're going to of course you're going to exalt Christ in a way that says you know what this ain't me but I have to look at Mary in our position like me today as Royce White I have to look at Mary and understand that just from a canonical sense God chose her makes her unique and not only did he choose her uniquely she is the mother of Christ that's a special position by any standard but nobody no one is this nobody is disagreeing with the fact that she is the mother of Christ because the scriptures make that clear where you and I are contending is that you're making statements that you can't prove in scripture so if we're again we have it okay so but God chose a donkey to speak to Balaam that doesn't mean anything he chooses whoever he wants he God chose a wall to write his review stop stop when you go to compare a donkey and a human being you've already bastardized no I'm giving analogies no no don't try and get technical no no no Royce I'm not getting technical try and go technical and then you go Royce Royce Royce the operative word you said was chosen no what I'm giving you are examples you say that God chose her that's not a good example it's an example we talking about the context Royce it's not because the bad example is you don't have scripture to support your point you can't put donkeys on the same level Royce Royce what I'm saying to you is this you certainly can't put a donkey on the same level with another crime I'm not equating a human being to a donkey you did though Royce no I did not what I'm saying to you is this I'm saying that God can choose to use play the tape bag you can have a copy of it you got the tape for me on Whitlock you got the tape bag you can take this video listen you can take this video you can take the video and run it how you want to run it all I'm saying to you is this Royce let me understand what you said I'm going to ask you back I'm going to replay exactly what you said sure go ahead go ahead Royce you said to me you asked me what scripture is there to say that Mary is unique or Mary is in a special position and then I went on to say the scripture is playing she was chosen to bear Christ and then you said in immediate response to that the bible also says that God chose a donkey that's not all I said Royce that's not all I said that's not all I said I asked you for scripture and you have not no no Royce I asked you for scripture that proves your point that she is put on a high you didn't you said we you said we interpret so now the we is the we don't interpret the scripture says God chose Mary to bear Christ show me in the scripture where she's at a higher that's her unique that's how you said is your mother unique is my mother unique how in what way is your mother unique to you to me the issue is your mother unique there's no other Barbara Roberts like her there's no other Barbara Roberts my point is this it does Matt this is another thing that I'm still waiting on scripture though this is another thing that gets misconstrued is this sort of this sort of like alien non-individual personal relationship with God not intimate relationship with God thing this is the intellectualizing of Protestantism that has plagued a lot of a lot of Christian institutions and we can get the Catholics in a minute because the Roman Catholic Church isn't without its its heresy and corruption and so on and so forth but here I'll say this when you go to say oh my mother isn't the question my mother see you're bastardizing what the sacrifice actually no Matt you're deflecting Royce no I'm deflecting because I'm still waiting on the scripture but this is why I made the comment I made about slapping you with all due respect it's not a raw thing it's not a tough guy act when people start off questions by saying it's a yes or no answer when you tell another man that he has to answer a question in the yes or no you're bastardizing another man you haven't been talking to me I'm telling you how I'm telling you how if I ask you that's fine that's fine that's fine I'm just responding to your statement because now you're trying to but you were defending your disrespect though bro you're defending your disrespect you're defending your disrespect you don't tell another man how to answer a question well I just did and what I was telling you is when you do that it's a sign of disrespect how? it's a sign of disrespect to you Royce I'm going to tell you how because a lot of you guys who talk on the internet got this bad I'm going to tell you how so that when you're actually in the real world real world what do you mean by real world Royce when you're talking in a vacuum I talk like this all the time you will never talk like that in front of me and what does that mean we was having a conversation now you're all in your feelings over what no it's not emotion what you're talking about when you start a question by telling another man how he has to answer the question it's treating another man like he's a child or like he's less than you you've already made the decision in your mind and you're giving him a fixed box to answer a question that's disrespect where I'm from I don't know where you from I'm from Detroit are you from Detroit? what up though I'm from the Midwest see where I grew up you couldn't ask another man a question and say Royce you 31 years old bro you're 31 years old I'm 52 what are you talking about bro then you should have learned this hold on listen listen Royce Royce there's a lot of 70 year old men who get disrespectful with their mouth Royce we're talking right now right we're talking about right now I'm talking about in the chat in the chat regardless whatever yes or no answer tell me how to answer okay so if I ask you it wouldn't bother me because I'm not in my feelings about that I'm not in my feelings about that it doesn't be different you ask me Royce it'd be no different Royce Royce it'd be no different if you ask me Royce it'd be no different if you ask me are you a man yes or no yes I'm a man first of all don't hold on wait a minute stop stop wait wait now you're trying to equate the basis of I thought it was something about the Bible though bro because now you're in your feelings so you think the question you asked me is as plain and simple as it is a plain and simple answer do you remember what I asked you do you remember what you asked you tell me I'm asking you what I'm showing you is that you run off with your mouth with potential questions you don't even remember what you asked me Royce then enlighten me remind me what I said go ahead because if you saw offended by what I said then tell me go ahead you asked me what position the Roman Catholics hold Mary yes okay and then you said it's a simple yes or no answer there's nothing simple I said I said what she called me I said do you believe that she's co-mediatrix and co-redemptrix that's what I asked you right and what I said yes or no that's what I said yes or no there is nothing simple about the interpretation of Jesus Christ's mother and why she was selected there's nothing simple about that and it certainly stop it certainly isn't as simple as you asking the question of whether or not I'm a man or a woman that's a conflation what's conflation you haven't answered my question Royce Royce Royce nobody in my audience is being insulted other than you they may not know they are so now you're insulting their intelligence so let's get back to Mary do you have a scripture do you have one scripture that shows that Mary is above is she above the prophets give me the scripture I'm saying she's in a unique position you said she was above the prophets she was chosen above other human beings you said she was above do you want to retract your statement do you want to retract your statement not specifically certain prophets no she is unique who's she above you said she's above she is unique you said she's above she's above certain human beings yes she's above many human beings she was the mother of christ how was she above how was the sinner she was chosen to give birth to christ so being above being above and being given favor that's one of the things highly favored being highly favored he didn't put her above another human being what's lowly favored what do you mean what's lowly favored in order to have in order to have like you said she was chosen she was chosen not in the context that the angel was speaking to Mary now you're going to context that's all I'm giving you Royce Royce all I'm giving you is context you can do that to a bunch of clowns Royce if we're going to have a conversation Royce let me ask you a question highly favored what's the opposite of it if we're talking about the context what the angel was talking to Mary not favored at all or favored lower that would be the opposite of it favored versus not favored I said that would be the opposite of that she would be the opposite she would be unfavorable non favored would you say that those people are non favored so everybody who is not highly favored has no favor okay Royce listen answer the question is everybody who is highly favored not favored at all how else is there another degree in there there's no degrees there are people who have lower favor than Mary according to God there are people who have lower favor than other people who are highly favored in the body she was highly favored among women that's what the text says okay but it does not put her above human beings because she said herself that she is a sinner are other women not human beings Royce what I just asked I just told you that this woman who we both agree who we both agree listen who we both agree was chosen by God but I'm not I don't know of my place of worship I don't go to that church anymore what's your next question don't know you don't even know but hey Royce Royce what I'm interested in 501c3 it's not going to put me in heaven and hell Royce Royce Royce Royce you want to talk about politics that's fine you're not you have yet to talk about the issue the majority of the woke LGBTQ churches what denomination does it come out of Royce I don't care what I don't care what denomination they come up Royce hey Royce Royce Royce what we're talking about is what you came on for Roman Catholic church and Christianity you conflate we don't have the same God we don't have the same God I know you would say that well I'm saying what the scripture says you're not saying what the scripture says okay so let me ask you for the record Royce Royce for the record how is a person saved through Jesus Christ give me the plan of salvation I don't have to give you more than that through Jesus Christ that's not telling me anything Jesus Christ is out through grace what must I do to be saved what must I do to be saved you must earn God's grace earn it absolutely so you believe in grace by works no I just said grace you just said earn grace by works you just said earn through faith how do you earn grace okay what's the difference between faith and non-faith you said you earn it can you show me a scripture that I earned you a faith put you in position to be judged and enter paradise yes so grace so in that context I would say earn is I was using earn in the context of faith how do I earn it faith how do I earn faith no I don't say you earn faith through faith you can earn grace or through faith you can receive grace how do I get that what do you mean how do you get it just simple question how do you get it you said I earn it right I just said how do you get it faith you said I earn it I'm not in the internet business of interpretation I'm not listen you came on the live I just gave you an answer okay but that's the wrong answer okay so where's the scripture that supports your point that's your business you can't draw me into that so can I ask you a question then why are you here I thought we were having a conversation so I'm confused here bro you made a bunch of false claims then prove me wrong by scripture if you say you're a Christian then the Bible should be our standard right you didn't make a scriptural claim about Catholics you made a cultural claim about them how do I make a cultural claim you made a cultural claim about the normal practices and beliefs of everyday Catholics that wasn't true King James version okay can you show me in the King James that salvation is merited by my good word that salvation comes through Christ no that salvation is earned by faith through good works no I never said that you never said that salvation is earned no I didn't I said it's earned through faith how do you earn that it's earned by faith how do I earn faith you want to make a point about works and bracing and deeds I already said that I didn't agree with bracing on that okay so if you don't agree with bracing on that grace grace is what grace is what gives you salvation okay so is grace earned grace is received okay by what by judgment by judgment absolutely yeah God's judgment and what is he judging me on but what I do but what I do I said faith faith in what in God in Christ okay so if you're saying that even that line of question right there how you do that how am I doing it that's weenie stuff bro if we're talking if we're talking you're trying to create a little gotcha situation for your viewers Royce Royce Royce the gotcha has already been Royce Royce Royce the gotcha has already been established you can't do that in Detroit I'm from Detroit what you talking about where you live now that has nothing to do with the conversation we have right now bro no it don't because you can't do that in Detroit listen bruh listen listen you don't talk like that in Detroit Royce Royce listen bruh you don't talk like that you talk like that on the internet and if you want to get technical your 501cp Christian culture in the west provided you the technology that was an original heresy of the Bible and of God that allows you to talk like this in a safe place to talk like that you can talk like that in Nazareth Royce Royce you can talk like that anywhere anybody serious Royce you in a safe place you in a confined your own home right yeah no but I talk like this like this everywhere I am and so do I I'm saying you don't Royce you don't know me Royce and what does that mean are you threatening me bruh no what I'm saying is that a threat you talk like a liberal white woman wait a minute is this the same Royce white that's on hold on hold on bro hold on bro listen Royce Royce are you the same Royce Royce where you tell me how I have to answer Royce are you the same Royce white that's on fearless are you the same Royce white that's on fearless you must never watch me on fearless I thought you're the same guy that I've been talking to because I not really not really I've never I've never heard I've never seen you make no veil threats bruh to somebody that's asking you a question that's how I know you don't watch the show okay but listen but listen listen you are sometimes he do you make grand claims about stuff that you know little about Royce I gave you the opportunity Royce I gave you the opportunity to defend your point you couldn't defend it okay I asked you for scripture I asked you for scripture you refused to give it is it not canonical that God chose Mary excuse me is it not canon that God chose Mary yeah that's already been established she was highly favored yeah that's what the Bible says so in order to have the conversation with you and to prove my point I asked you for the juxtaposition of highly favored I just told you it said non-favorite non-favorite but she did not earn that listen she did not earn that though it was given to her exactly it was given to her it was given to her but I asked you another question I said how am I saved how can I be saved and you said you earn it you don't earn it Royce you said no sir you said you earn it you don't earn salvation yeah we're gonna play it back because you said earn it it's earned and that's you don't earn it Royce yes you do where's the scripture what do you mean if listen if you have faith and non-faith as a prerequisite faith is clearly laid out throughout the Bible as a prerequisite for grace now you can call it earned you can say that it's just something I'm not calling it earned what would you call faith then what would you call it faith is a grace it is a gift that God gives he sovereignly gives although he chooses to save but does judgment play a factor he chooses to judge as he would judge us based on the standards of him hold on I'm asking you a question if God wants to judge us Royce he judges us you want to use scripture as your reference point and then you want to talk about interpretation like the apoprypha but then you want to use English language but you don't want to adhere to the English language so you're not even having a conversation hold on you just lost me you want me to slow it down for you I was answering your question you might want to slow it down because you're not making any sense go right ahead you talk about scripture which we know was written in a different language we know that to be true and then it was rewritten and reinterpreted in another language and then finally in English which we most of us now that are born in this century read it in now some of us go back and read it in Latin and Hebrew and other things as well but most of us understand the Bible and we get through an English Commonwealth context from a linguistic standpoint okay but then you don't want to adhere to what the English version or what English words in that version mean if we say judgment in English we know on the other side of judgment is either a punishment or a reward now if you're going to say that you are given a reward a reward can be gifted to you but if you say that there's a prerequisite for that reward reward through your faith. Cause if not, there wouldn't be a prerequisite. God would just dish out grace with no matter what you did. And that's not how it works.  We know this is script, this is scriptural. And I'm assuming you don't have a scripture, right? Can you say it is scriptural? No, you say it. Hold on, Royce, Royce, you said because this is scriptural. Let's ask it the reverse way. Are you denying that that's scriptural? I'm asking for the scripture to support your point. No, I'm asking. I can go to Romans for you. I can go to Romans for you.  You do the scripture snake oil thing. I know that. What am I, what am I slicking around, bro? Tell me.  I'm not giving. I don't wanna interpret. It's just. I'm not giving. I'm just reading what the scripture says. Are you denying what I'm saying is supported by scripture? Yes, I am. Denying what you're saying is supported by scripture. Are you denying that grace is given as a gift based on judgment? No, because it was based on judgment, we'll all go to him. Are you bay my argument on it? No, no, no, Royce, if it was based on the scripture. Royce, if it was based on judgment. We can go to the foundation of the conversation. Royce, I'm answering your question, Royce. Royce, I'm answering your question. If it was based on judgment, none of us would be saved. If it was based on God's judgment, because all of us deserve wrath. Right. Okay, so you can't use that one. So no matter what you're doing, so wait, so wait, so no matter what you're doing your life, you get to go to the kingdom of heaven, you receive grace. No, no, no, no. What I do as a believer determines my rewards. But if I'm based in my salvation. Royce, you just said rewards. Right, I said as a believer. Hold on, hold on. I said as a believer, I said as a believer. First Corinthians three, as a believer. But outside of saving faith in Christ. Do you believe that all believers, but wait, you said that everybody deserves the wrath, even believers. Of course, because we're all in Adam, Romans 5-12. Right, so even the believers deserve the wrath, so how do you- No, no, no, no, believers have been delivered from wrath. First, that's the long ends one. Believers have, you just said everybody deserves the wrath. I said if it was based on judgment, if it was based on judgment alone, all of us deserve wrath. No, no, I'm based on that. Okay, so it's not based on judgment. It's not based on God's- And we're delineated from that through grace. Say again? We're delineated from the wrath by grace. But the problem that I'm having with your statement Royce is this, because you're attaching works, or your work was earned, which is works. No, no, faith is a work. Faith is not a work. Faith is a gift. Oh, faith is, oh no, no, no, on the humans from our end, from God's end, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, whoa, whoa, stop. From God's end of it, faith is a gift. From the human end of it, faith is a work. It's hard. We know that from scripture. That's why Jesus was tempted. You keep saying scripture, Royce. You keep saying scripture? All right, Royce, I'ma hold you to it, bro. If you're gonna say scripture, I need BCV, bro. Was Jesus tempted? In all points, yet without sin. Was Jesus tempted? In all points, yet without sin. Was his faith tested? In all points, yet without sin. Okay, so can you have grace? Can you receive a reward without work? What kind of reward are you talking about? Is faith a work? No, it is not. Not according to Ephesians chapter two, verses eight and nine. Yeah, you keep saying, but you see that? I mean, that's just- I don't know what else to give you, bro. I don't know what, I mean, it's like, bro, it's like I'm Tau'ri's. What else do you want from me, bro? What else do you want from me? You do that. You got a bunch of cataloged scriptures that you can take and say, this is my interpretation. You keep saying my interpretation.  Go back to the original. Royce, Royce, Royce. Read the scripture. Okay, Royce, then take your King James Bible. Open it up. Read the scripture that I said on Read Matthew 16, 18. Yeah? The video you played, read the scripture without your context and interpretate.  What is it saying? He said, and you are Peter. And upon this rock, I'll be at my church. Now don't give me your context and interpretation. Read it again for me. I just said it. I just said it. Read it again. Read it again. He said, and thou art Peter. And upon this rock, thou will be at my church. Yeah. And upon this rock, I will build my church. And what is it this? What is the antecedent of that? Upon this rock, I don't see it. There you go with the context. Wait a minute, hold on. So are you allergic to context, bro? No, what I'm saying is I hate what people say. Let's go to scripture and read it word for word, verbatim, and then you got to give me your context. Hold on, wait a minute. I need the audacity of you to actually believe that you think you have a more sound interpretation. Wait, but hold on, Royce, Royce. You're the one that quoted Matthew 16, 18 in response to Bryson Gray and him dissing Trump. Is that not context? No, that was, no, no, no, no, wait. No, no, that's not what I did. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop it, stop it. It had nothing to do with Trump. You're the one that mentioned him. It had to do with Christians all across this country playing a game with their Christianity where they need a Christ-like figure to follow in politics and give themselves an out while the LGBTQ takes their kids' schools. The context is- And then they say, oh, but I don't teach my kid that. Why don't all these 501c3 Christian Lutherans and Baptists? Why don't they all homeschool their children? Royce, why do you keep bringing in 501c3? I'm not understanding why that, what does that have to do? What does tax exemption status have to do with your sins being, hold on, I'm asking, what does 501c3, what does 501c3 have to do with your soul? That's what I'm asking you. I will tell you. Go right ahead. Okay. I didn't know 501c3 was salvific. I will tell you. No, it's not salvific. But what it is is it's become a way for the church or the institutions that claim to worship Christ sell out to their government, their federal government. That's what it's done. And in the 501c3 tax exemption status, it outlines plainly that you can't be Christian or that you can't bear witness, rebuke and refute. It says that explicitly. Now, in the 501, you can go for your viewers and pull up the 501c3 tax exemption status qualification and criteria from the federal government. And you can see how all of what it outlines makes it impossible for many 501c3 Christian institutions who have that status to speak with a full throat, like Jesus would do, about many political issues. And the excuse is, well, our salvation has nothing to do with politics or the government anyway. But Satan, this is his dominion, the earth. The earth is his dominion. Satan has made it increasingly hard for you to live a life up like Christ or in a Christian way because of these institutions. And my only question is, if we're so Christ-like, why do we still take all the material gain that this 501c3 sectarian government provide us? If we wanna be Christ-like and we have a problem with the LGBTQ and homosexuality, which I'm sure many of your viewers do, why do we even send our kids to school anymore? Why don't we just teach them at home like they used to do in the days of Christ actually? They actually taught their kids at home. So why don't we do, see, I don't like cherry pickers. That's my problem. And I have a wide enough view of politics and faith because I'm out there like that. I'm a little crazy. I have a wide enough lens on it that I can see many 501c3 Christians, including Catholics, that have no problem reaping the material benefits of their 501c3 tax status, but they wanna talk about profanity. But then they wanna talk about the nuances of scripture and Mary versus Peter versus Moses versus Abraham versus Hagar versus, but the whole while you're taking the 501c3, even the public schools. This has become commonplace in our country. And I'm not naive to it. And you know what? Even furthermore, I'm not looking for fans. I'm not looking for followers. I don't care about that. I'm just bearing witness. Now, if you can tell me with a full throat that what I'm saying about this 501c3 tax status doesn't come to bear on the faith practice and worship of Christians in this nation, then you either don't know about the 501c3 tax status or you probably are in on it. And there are a lot of Christians who are in on it. I do know about that. That's what I'm saying. I do know about that. And I do know that there are more churches. But you just asked me what it had to do with salvation. It doesn't have anything to do with salvation. It only has something to do with salvation if you're using that as the means by which a person can be saved through. I'm not saying that there are churches that are being... Know what I'm saying. Can you be saved if you take the Lord's name in vain? Well, now you're dealing with another issue. You talking about as a pattern of life? Absolutely. Oh no, nobody can be saved to live in sin. What I'm telling you is that when the Bible, when you're practicing and worshiping Christian and you have given over much of your faith practice and worship and Christian identity to an institution, a place of worship and you follow a pastor or a preacher or a priest at a 501c3 institution, you are connected to that institution and you are connected to the... Would you agree that much of what makes the Catholic, Roman Catholic scandal of pedophilia, a sin of omission or a sin of omission, not commission? It can be both. That they knew about that. It can be both. That people knew about. It can be both. Okay, well... It can be both. It can be both, right? Okay, so that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but my point is... All I'm telling you, all I'm saying to you is when you take the Christian identity and you wield it out in the public as a signal of virtue, that's fine, but it better be ironclad. You better not be at the congregation on Sunday where they got a 501c3 tax exempt status and they're bringing homosexuals into the congregation and they're saying that this is all fair game. You better not be the one who is ministering through a 501c3 tax exempt. See, this is the spiritual pride that I'm talking about. We're not even playing in the 12 dimensions that Satan plays in.   He went around the back door. He said, you know what? I don't have to get you to sin personally. I'm just gonna co-opt the whole church. How does that work? So again, I know that there are churches, Royce, that have... It's like 85% of churches. That's fine, but you know what? But you know what? That's all. It's like the basic practice in America. Yeah, but God has a remnant. And so I'm speaking a remnant. Yeah, the remnant was render under Caesar. What is Caesars? Okay, but as long as it's not causing them to sin. No, it's a sin by omission. I'm not, see, you keep bringing up the 501c3 joint. I'm talking to you regarding... It's the most pervasive thing in American Christian culture. Okay, but the 501c3 is not the issue by which I brought you on. Now, again, I will tell you this. I appreciate... The Catholic Church is in on it. You won't talk about the thousands of Catholic Churches. Listen, Royce, I understand that. I know that. Protestant and Catholic are being... No, you brought me on You wanted me to say a thing that you thought I would say but I don't know who you think I am. No, no, no, no, I brought you... I know I'm not who you think I am because what you said about what I say on Jason's. No, wait, wait. I brought you on because you accepted my invitation but had kept asking... Because you said I wasn't a Christian because I'm Catholic.  No, I said you're not a Christian. I know a little bit more about the Christian culture in this country than you do, obviously with the 501c3 status. What is it? Hold on, hold on. You know the 501c3 wasn't in the first century, right? What do you mean? That's what I said. You keep talking about the 501c3. The early church didn't rely on the government to do anything for them other than leave them alone. Oh, I know. And it sucked in that. But my point to you is this. I know, I got to know that. But my point to you is this. I can care less about the 501c3 because they had nothing to do with my faith in Christ. Now, now, okay, listen, listen. When I passed at a church, we weren't 501c3, okay? We weren't. We were in the house church. Okay. Now. That's great. Right. Amen, praise you to God. So I understand, I understand the underpinnings of those kinds of things when you have these stipulations. That ain't the point I brought you on, Royce. I brought you on because of statements that you made on Jason Whitlock and what Bryson Gray would. But notice what I didn't do. I didn't make statements about you. It didn't tag you, bro. I tagged you on purpose. I tagged you because I wanted to have a conversation with you. So again. I appreciate that. Okay, so. And I'm willing to have a conversation with you. And guess what? I don't dislike. I don't know you. I don't dislike you. All I'm saying is where I'm from. If I'm a man and you're a man and you say something that I feel disrespectful, like in Detroit and we have a squabble, we could be best friends after that. All I was telling you in the chat is when you start off a question, it could be a very genuine question. When you start a question off and you tell another man how he has to answer, that is a form of disrespect. That's telling you, another man, I'm your master. I'm gonna tell you how you need to think and talk. That's all I was saying. We can talk. Okay, so let me, let me, let me. I've come back on. Let me, let me pause it. You got time crunch? Let me, let me pause it in another way. Let me pause it in another way. You have been in court. Okay. You have been, you have been in court. Oh, you talking, the, the, the center qua non of heresy. The American justice system. Have you ever been in court? Yes, I have. Okay. You ever been interrogated? Yes, I have. I'm not going to ask you, I'm not going to ask you to have a record. I'm not going to ask you to have a record. I'm just, I'm just. No, I don't. Okay. So, so, so when being interrogated, when being interrogated. Yeah. Do you, do you talk to them the same way you're talking to me now? Oh yeah, I've talked, I've talked this way in the court many times. Yeah. And, and they just let it slide. No, they, they, they warned me that I would be held in contempt. Exactly. So, so it's not that. They're taking, what was the way to answer your question? They're taking the lawyer's name in vain too. But, but, but, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at the point, at the point. The context, I know that big C word again, I'm using the C word. The context of this discussion you and I having is you say, if you was on the street this and this and this and this. Okay, well bro, you in the court of law. Bring that same energy to the judge. Bring that same energy to the lawyer. We're not in the court of law. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So, so then, so then you have more respect for what somebody can do to you than for what somebody you think can do. Nothing to you, i.e. me. Wait, what? I bring it down, I bring the cookies down from the, I bring the cookies down. No, no, no, I can answer you. Okay, so all I'm saying is, is that the same energy that you got, that you've been having on this live. No, the same energy that you've been having on this live about me this week, I'm from the Trump, I'm from the Trump, I'm from the Trump, all that kind of stuff. Okay, fine. Then why did you have that same energy when you stand before them white folk? I do. You did? Yeah, when I was in 10, You made the same threats to them? You made the same threats to them in court? When I was interrogated the one time, when I was interrogated by a detective one time and they sat across from me and they told me, I'm gonna go out of my way to prove that you did this crime, which they ended up coming back and saying that they didn't charge me with the crime and they couldn't prove that I had anything to do with this. I was 18 at the time, by the way. That's why I'm just, I'm just saying, you're just making the crime. I'm just being transparent, but the investigation was carried out and they ended up charging, they didn't charge me with the crime and they couldn't prove that I had anything to do with it because I didn't, which I told them. But no, I did tell the detective, 100% I told the detective, if you weren't wearing that badge, you wouldn't talk like that.  I said that. Okay, and it was a court? They threatened to arrest me for threatening an officer and I said, well, go ahead. I said, go ahead, but you know, but you've got to also play that tape back that you just basically convicting me of a crime before I've been proven guilty in court of law. What is that, how is that? Oh, you talking about the cops, you talking about me? No, the cops, yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay, I got you guys, okay. No, but I said it in conjunction with this because you were also making a, you were also formulating a question in a way where the answer was already predetermined. Well, because it still is because I know- But you see how it correlates the way I talk to them and the way I talk to you? I'm here everywhere. But here's what I would assume, here's what I would assume and know to be true about you, though, too, don't worry. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure you would not have the same energy if you were sitting before judges and stuff and you knew that they had the power and the authority to put you away. No, I've actually, I actually, you don't know me. I'm just saying, I'm the dude who would stand up in the courtroom and shout the whole courtroom down, for sure. Okay. Yeah, when it's appropriate. But also I want to say that in many cases, and this may give a lot of insight. Out of all the courtrooms I've ever been in, I've never had a judge tell me how I need to answer. Well- So I've never been in that position, actually, to be honest. But they are a courtroom, I mean, as a matter of fact, you have attorneys and you have courts of law that say either yes or no. No, absolutely. Even though you may not court of court have not experienced that, it does not mean- And I think that's a gross misuse of the law in the court system. And I would say that in the court. But that may be your opinion, but that does not make- So for you to use it on the street, it's totally unacceptable. Because number one, you're not a court, but number two, I would accept it- But we're not on the street. But we're not on the street. No, we're not in the court. There's only a court in the street in your example. Right, so my point is that you're saying- In the public. Okay, let's say in the public. Okay, but even then, making statements like that can still be considered as a threat as well. Two door words. So just like you're trying- What statement exactly? When you were saying, if you were, if you and I were face to face, you wouldn't say this, you wouldn't say that. That's a veil threat, bro. That's a veil threat. Because you don't know what I would say. And you don't know what I would do. I'm giving my opinion on what I would say. Right, and I'm giving you my opinion based on fact, and you don't know what I would do. And I'm also giving my opinion on what I would accept as respect or not respect. And vice versa, but- Nobody can predict the future, I'm not guy. I agree with that, but all I'm saying- I'm giving an opinion. But all I'm saying to you is this.  I gave statements that he made in contradistinction to the scriptures that he claims to hold. He denies, and so I'm asking you on record, because you said that you said it in the comics, I didn't see it, so forgive me if I didn't. So I'm asking you now. Now I answered this question already, but yeah. I didn't hear you, so my project, I don't make sure. Okay, okay, so Bryson Gray says that Jesus Christ is not God. He's just God's son. My question- I don't agree with that. Okay, if you don't agree with that- And many Catholics, but to be clear, it is not a widely held Catholic belief in any way or a traditional Catholic belief that Jesus is not God. We believe in a Trinitarian God, 100%. Okay, so if a person denies the triune Godhead, are they a Christian? Yes. Okay, let's get to this. Now, here's what I'll say. Sure. Okay, this is another problem that I have. Why do we spend so much- Listen, okay, let's just cut through all of that. We are living in a world where we are faced with- And don't get me wrong. I feel the spirit of what you're saying, because the enemy within is just as dangerous as the enemy outside your gates. So I understand the spirit of what you're trying to say and do, but here's my problem. Give me the person who at least professes the name of Jesus Christ and may be misguided, may be misinterpreted, may be wayward, may be off the path in their individual journey with faith or understanding. Give me that person before you give me a judge who's completely anti-God, but makes you swear before a Bible, or even worse, a Chinese dictator who has those judges on his payroll. And that's what we were talking about in the discussion that you referenced between Bryson, Jason and I around the Trump indictment and what Bryson was talking about in that specific piece was basically that he couldn't find himself to support Trump because of all these inconsistencies with his Christian worldview. I know, yes. And what I'm saying is, I have a lot of this, I'm way further right than Donald Trump is. I'm way more over on the Christian side of things than Donald Trump is, but at the same time, we have to understand the situation we're in. And there are matters of the spiritual and eternal, and then there are matters of the world. And my point is, a lot of, again, I'll use the term 501c3 Christians have abnegated all of their worldly responsibilities or duties or, let's just say, their worldly, their worldliness. Now here's the catch to that. If you want to be a devout Christian, I mean devout, like in the way some of our Muslim brothers are devout, and you want to resign yourself from the world altogether and say it's all about faith and spirit, then go ahead and do that. I'm not saying that's a bad way to go about it. But what I am saying is don't drive a Cadillac Escalade and have an iPhone and go to a church where they're woke LGBTQ and then say it's