To offer that it may be that that goal is needed to be covered by another sector group and to make a commitment to pass that on to the other sector group, rather than dismissing and saying, oh, that doesn't have to do with our sector.  And then The next I guess I want to pause there before we go on to the schedule and just ask if anyone has thoughts or questions or wants me to clarify anything. I'm just curious if they've now been assigned to the sector. The sector. Yes, every. Yeah, it's all in that stake holder list that you all have access to now on the Google Drive. Okay. I just want to jump in real quick about that to under that if depending on who responds and who's attending. We don't want to have groups with too few numbers so People are being invited to participate in a process, not a specific group just so you're aware of how that's being how the mutations are being worded. Perfect. Yeah, and we'll shake, shake things out. However, makes the most sense for the groups. Thanks, Stephanie. Okay, were there any other thoughts and make sure I'm not missing anyone. Okay, so then Let's go to the Breakdown of the schedule. So in order to address these historical exclusions and cultural barriers, including the norms of white supremacy which influence so many of our systems and structures. We'd like to provide an opportunity for both the committee members and community leaders to explore, learn and communicate about racial justice equity and energy democracy and commit to moving forward with a vision of increased racial justice and equity and Amherst Both through this work with the ECAC, but also as an example of what can be done beyond what we're doing. So the following schedule will allow for a facilitator who's outside of The ECAC to come in with expertise on these issues and give us an introductory opportunity for both the committee and community members to do work first on these issues individually. So the US committee members together and then community leaders separately to have an hour of introduction and dialogue to explore issues of racial justice and equity. And then for a third hour for you all to come together in commitment and visioning before the sector group meetings begin. And then following that will have this general briefing for everyone, all the other stakeholders, which we're calling sector group leaders to come together and have a briefing on the general logistics of the what the ECAC is doing and what the sector group, what's the goal of having the sector groups and to have a brief recap around commitment to equity. Following those initial four meetings. We'll have three sector group meetings to to work in within the sectors, the four separate sectors, and then we'll come back together after for this meeting five, which will be broken down similarly to the first meeting with an hour for just committee members, an hour for community leaders, and then an hour together to reflect on the experience and for the community leaders specifically to give really pointed feedback. And one thing that us when was going to talk about is that before sector group meetings and throughout we want to offer one on one conversations as feels valuable to the community leaders because that can also be a really effective way of receiving guidance from community leaders. And that's not in the format of a more formal meetings and setting. So, that wraps up what we were going to share any questions about that. How do you want us to offer the one on one conversations. Likely at this at the initial stage that will be offered either the community leaders can connect with Ashwin or myself. And then as relationships are built or if there's a relationship that already exists. I encourage everyone to make themselves available to community leaders and offer that and then allow community leaders to take you up on it as as they would like to. And that's a part of the invitation is that that that is going to be sort of a standing offer as a way for folks to participate if they'd like and those one on one conversations will also be compensated. And even, yeah, if someone wants to do them in lieu of the meetings, or if someone wants to do some in addition to the meeting. Trying to see, make sure I don't miss anybody. Okay, well thanks you all so much for letting me wrap that up and share it and like I said, hopefully Ashwin will join later and please if more questions come up. Connect with him or feel free to email me with anything further. So, thanks you all I'm going to go ahead and say goodbye. Okay. Hi. Okay. So, I think that gave us a really good overview and reminder of what we talked about last time and just clarified the path forward so I guess I just want to open it up again for any thoughts, comments, concerns about the stakeholder participation plan. Before we sort of, and if there's none then I'll assume that we're we're good and we're going to move forward. Yeah, Steve. I guess I just had some questions about the compensation for the community members that one that they seem to be picked and selected through a fairly kind of private process, whether that is okay with the town and human resources office and legal department. If I can speak to that Steve, they're being compensated through the grant and the name actually the name solutions are the ones that actually did the outreach and are actually paying them through the grant funding that they have received so it's not the town paying them it's the consultant paying them. And Steve, just a quick note on that this is Jim. The process that we have worked out in a number of different situations for exactly the reason you're talking about. But the second part of that is that building those particular relationships is relatively delicate and so being able to do it in a more personal way. It's more about personal relationships and less about a sort of an open call makes it in our experience makes that a much more effective process. And as we go along, the things may change, but it sets up a very solid foundation for a really productive process. And then the second part of that is that in, you know, in some cases, the, actually probably in a bunch of them, you know, that compensation turns out to make it very possible for people to have somebody do real care daycare or childcare during meetings it makes it possible for people to put this effort, give it real real attention. And, and that is also a process that has been developed in a bunch of different settings it's not our idea. It's sort of best practice in a sense, although it's kind of a lousy term, but and, and so the process of how it actually rolls out has been kind of we're we're following the lead of a number of organizations who who do this in a bigger more complicated situations. Good. Thank you. Thank you for the background the explanation. Thank you. I think that on the invitation piece I think I understand that then want to keep the language as similar as possible but there's clearly differences in the invitation will be sending to the community leaders and the sector group leaders correct. In terms of the compensation right. I think the compensation is listed in the invitation. Sorry, I don't have it in front of me I'm sorry, but the compensation Lauren go ahead. I was just going to jump in and say, because he kind of actually mentioned that specifically so it's, it's going to be removed from the invitation that goes out to everyone and then they will speak individually with the community leaders about the compensation piece. Yeah, I think I and I had a conversation about that that's why I knew we were taking it out. The other question I have is about all the meetings, and there's kind of a bunch of difference to me it's not clear to me yet, which times I need to set aside for those meetings and the next 10 days it look like four or five hours of meetings and the next week and a half. It's not. So Steve you have the ECAC members need to set aside. Saturday is set 27th from 430 to 530 Sunday is highlighting them up here to the 28 from three to four. So those are the two I would say. These are really important ones. And that's two hours, then there's the meeting on the 30th, which we haven't set a time for. This is going to be really kind of like an intro, or at least I see it as as being an intro and will include it in the packet is a draft agenda. This is going to be an opportunity. There's a couple reasons why we're doing it it this way. We're going to have a very, from a, to be completely transparent, we need to have four meetings before the end of June. Okay. So, and we don't want to rush doing a task group meeting until everyone feels ready to do that so. But we know that with each of the task groups, we're going to need to give some basic instruction overview of what he tax been doing for the past year what our goals are. Kind of our ground rules in terms of how we communicate and work with each other based on some of the training we're going to get in these, in these other meetings, a quick overview of the process. We envision this being like a one hour intro webinar and we're going to invite everybody to come, but we're also going to record it so that if people can't make it. Before the first task group meeting. So if an ECAC member can't make it they also will have the opportunity to watch it so I would say there's two hours of meeting three hours, two hours definite three hours ideal. Um, yeah. And we can and I don't know if I don't know Stephanie if you have any thoughts on when we should do that meeting on the 30th or not. No, well, I wanted to sort of get a sense from the group. Because it's a Tuesday. What times might work would it be better to have it a bit later. I have got the kind I haven't really checked in about the community leaders, either so. I'm assuming that smack dab in the middle of the workday is probably not great for people. So, um, if I had a sense of what might work for the majority here, we could also do it. I could do a doodle hole and check back with as well. You do it that way. Does anybody have thoughts about what might work for that. The other thing I'd just like to know about that, both Laura and and Stephanie is that it is, we end up with sort of a little bunch of different things going on. And all are very important and it's taken a while to figure out, okay, what do we actually have to have here. And that that meeting on the 30th really, there's a real opportunity for sort of the whole group, including all of the other invited people to kind of like, okay, let's gather up here let's circle up and head off on a project. And because it's taken a little a little bit of work to get there. So, while it, you know, you don't necessarily have to participate directly. I think there's a real opportunity to kind of build the full vision of what this the whole process is like in that, which could be pretty great. Darcy. So, um, that's in less than two weeks. So, when do we foresee sending out the invitations. They're going to be going out as soon as possible. Probably Monday and people are getting invited via email. They're not getting sent in the mail, they're going out via email. So they'll go probably Monday. What was the time of the Sunday meeting. It's going to be from three to four. So I wanted to add to that. I did talk to Paul Backelman about it as well. And he and I are likely going to sign the invitations. So we'll have the, the invitation will be an attachment. So it will give me an opportunity when I'm reaching out to staff within the town to actually sort of craft something that's a little bit direct to their expertise and then the process that's actually similar to how we did it with the MVP process. Okay, any other concerns right now we're just sort of, I think agreeing to the plan for these first four meetings, the different stakeholder groups and, and we're still, and Stephanie's got our, all of our input on the stakeholder group, like Ghazi Kaya said we're going to the intent is to keep the stakeholders the way that we've organized them but we're not going to invite them specifically to a task group just in case over the next couple weeks as we're finalizing our task groups and looking at the numbers that we are going to have as a person would be a better fit for this group. We don't anticipate having to do much of that but it just we don't want to. It seems like that it'd be easier just to kind of hold off on that piece of it. Does that sound okay with everybody. Okay. Um, I'm not hearing any other questions or concerns so are we good to move on to the previous agenda items. Yeah. Okay, great. Um, so let's just back up a minute and go to. Yeah, can you give me one second please. Very cool. Um, staff updates. Um, so I've been working with the inter municipal community choice aggregation folks and we've sent our invitations out for legal consultant to help us work on the aggregation develop the aggregation plan that will then go before the DPU for approval and they'll help us with that entire process. So that's a really big step forward once we secure the legal expertise to help us with that. We're also on a parallel track also developing the joint powers agreement for the three municipalities. And so we're looking at different models from other communities in California. As well as looking at the Cape like compact, but sort of looking to investigate what pieces of those agreements make sense for our effort and our vision or have a vision that we'd like to sort of pursue and implement for ours is for this one as well. So that's moving forward. So Dan Phil is moving forward. We've got most of the permitting in place. So that's really exciting. And the project is slated to be developed in 21. So that's been quite a slog. So really happy about that. And what else. Those are kind of the top things that are in the forefront of my mind at the moment. Any other questions for Stephanie? We can turn it over to any updates from ECAC members. I had a question. Stephanie, are there any upcoming grant deadlines or things that you can anticipate you'll be needing to work on or you heard at the NEMS conference that, you know, are going to be coming down the line. I think there may be, I don't have them in front of me. I can tell you that we applied for green communities funding for 116,000 for some projects, specifically some lighting retrofit projects. And we should hear about that fairly soon, I would think within the next few weeks, I'm hoping. I don't have any other grants at the moment that we're applying for because we have a lot going on right now. So there are grants that are, you know, the MVP action grant is open right now, but we're in the middle of working on ours. So it didn't seem like a prudent time to be applying for something else right at this moment. Those heat pump grants, Stephanie. Yep. So I don't know when those are, I think those, those I think have been kind of ongoing. So I can look into those again. I just like, I can't tell you I have a whole list and notes, but I didn't have, I wasn't prepared to speak about the grants we're looking into right now. So I'm happy to look into them and report out next time or at a different time. Jesse. Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I, if Sarah, I don't know if you have a minute to just say who we are and it's great to meet you. My name is Jesse. I'm a local architect and Amherst resident for 10 minutes. I don't want to take up a lot of our meeting, but I'd love to give you a chance if you want to just a minute to just say hi. I've never met you before, just once maybe. So my fingers are fat.  I'm a town counselor and I'm a representative of district one. I have, I have a farm. My husband and I own a farm in North Amherst, which his parents bought his grandparents bought in 1919. So until about, let's see, three years ago, I mostly farmed. I don't know. I've been in Amherst since I was 20. I graduated from University of Massachusetts. I only have a bachelor's degree, which is in English. I like cats. I don't know. I mean, I'm excited to be on this committee. I think one of this information is new for me, but having a background in farming, I find it really exciting and I'm glad to be here. And I would be happy to answer any questions you have about me or my background. That's perfect. Thank you. Thank you, Jesse. Yeah, thank you for joining us. So, do you want to have a quick go around Laura? I'm Andrea, you've seen me some places and I'm part of mothers out front. So I'm an activist. I also am involved with the community choice aggregation planning team. And I am going to be a little involved with a new venture that maybe we'll be talking about the building electrification program that, you know, maybe that'll be part of updates. And yeah, other things, that's enough. Welcome. Anybody else want to go? I'm going to be the chair of the committee. I have lived in Amherst now for six years, I guess. Formerly at Amherst College. Now I'm working for a series, which is an NGO based in Boston. Yeah, excited to have you. Sarah knows me. I do know. We see so much of each other actually. Hi, Sarah. Dwayne Breger. I live in Amherst and Echo Hill neighborhood. On and off in Amherst, mainly on for probably about 30 years. I'm at UMass and direct the clean energy extension there. It's nice to meet you. Good to meet you. Hi, I'm Steve Roof. I'm a professor at Hampshire college. I'm an environmental science. I've been doing quite a bit with the energy monitoring at Hampshire college and the solar arrays that we've got. I've been learning some, some aspects of that. So I've actually taught a course on renewable energy, which is probably more educational for me than the student. And I think I'm also participating in this building electrification program sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Institute that Andre mentioned. Look forward to meeting you in person sometime soon. It'd be great. Yeah, absolutely. Jesse. Sarah. The other Sarah. I'm glad to see what we have an H. New to Amherst. It's been almost two years now. I still feel very new. I've been working for a global architecture firm. I've been in the architecture or construction industry. For about 12 years now and I take. What do we call it? I take complex ideas and distill them down into marketable language. So that's kind of my niche and passionate about climate change, like, like everybody else. Jesse, I'm at a small local firm and I take simple ideas and I make them very comfortable. We're good pair. We're all building past group together. I also, I'm in South Amherst and I've got, I wouldn't quite call it a farm, but some animals, some stuff. I'm a big fan glad to have another farmer on the crew. Awesome. Great. Yeah, thanks, Sarah. I'm glad you could join us. Thanks everybody. Do we have other ecac member updates? I have one. Okay. I think if you remember, we, I was assigned to contact the finance committee and the JCPC about just reminding them that we had made a budget request and where it stood and that was before COVID-19 and then just recently we asked to see where it stood and Andy Steinberg got back to me. And asked if we, if we wanted to present at a finance committee meeting either this week, that date has already passed or next Tuesday. And so we just have to decide whether we're going to do that. And, you know, I also thought about the fact that, you know, we're kind of operating in a vacuum to some extent, like nobody knows what we're doing. You know, I occasionally bring up when there's a budget discussion that, oh, by the way, we have these climate goals and we're supposed to be doing something within the next five years. So if we have a five year plan, it would be nice if it somehow acknowledged the fact that this is something that we're going to have to think about. So I just think that it would be good to, I mean, we could talk to the finance committee, but I think we should probably also make an appointment to just talk to the town council and give them an update. You know, they may just say give us an update in writing, which is an option, I suppose, but it's just, it would be nice if there was, if we were had some visibility about what we're doing over the next year. Darcy, if you recall, we had started scheduling appointments. That's why Andy had us on an agenda, because just before COVID hit, I was working with you all in scheduling you to meet with different committees in the community. And then COVID hit and that kind of went away. We could probably start getting on virtually now. I could get back to trying to coordinate that with each of you. I can go back to my notes and find out who was wanting to meet with which committee unless you remember, but I can coordinate with you all offline. It doesn't have to be during this meeting. If you all want to spend time doing that over the next, I mean, we've got a lot coming up with the sector work so. So we plan on doing the finance committee next Tuesday, in which case, I mean, that's when we've been invited to come. And is it just, and that was just a general introduction as to who the committee is and what the committee is doing that was the intention of it originally. Actually, he was responding to my, to our, Laura had assigned me to just send out a reminder about our budget request. So it's a, it would be a combination of just an update. And, you know, there's no way they're going to do anything with our budget request in FY 21. It would be a way of saying this is what we asked for. Can it carry over into the next fiscal year? And also, by the way, we're also doing this other, you know, we're getting our climate action plan going. Yeah, I mean, I think it does. I don't think that hurts. I don't see why we, why, why we wouldn't do that if it's particularly if somebody is available to do it. I'm not personally available to meet during the work day. And, and I think giving an update to the town council seems good, a good idea as well we can update them on that we're starting this process and, and kind of what we're doing. I guess I would just look for guidance from someone on what makes sense there. And maybe that's the role Sarah of Sarah and Darcy I don't know. Well, that's up to you Laura. I mean, it's up to the whole committee, but if. Yeah, so I personally think that we should have some kind of presentation to the council. If we're not going to. You know, we have a plan that will probably present to them in what November or something like that for an annual report. But it would be nice to present to them in August or sometime like that to just to let them know what's going on when I brought it up with Sean Mandano during the budget. The finance committee meeting. He was great. He just said, you know, I brought up the resident capital request and asked if it was going to be carried over to the next year and he said, you said, yeah, and we're going to just be reconsidering a lot of things in the fall and so it would make sense to me to see if we could get on the agenda of the town council. And if we did that, we wouldn't need to speak to the finance committee. We could, if we could just speak to the whole town council even for 10 minutes, get on the agenda for 10 minutes in August or September. I just want to coordinate that for you. Okay, does anybody have any other thoughts on that? Or otherwise we can just plan on. Yes, Sarah. Again, fat fingers. So Darcy, what I'm wondering is that are you thinking that you would want to have just before town council to give this, this committee more faces that that. I think it's impressive to see how many, you know, people intelligent passionate people are on this committee is that what you're thinking is that it would be sort of a show of really show of force but more impressive to see faces. I think it's partly that this process that we're undergoing right now that we're starting the climate action plan process is is going to extend for a whole year. And it's, it's just very possible for the town council to completely have no, like Andy said in his email that he doesn't have any idea what we're doing. And it, you know, at the end of that year, presumably we're going to have some concrete plans.  And that's what this is all about.  So, yeah. I don't know if that answers your question Sarah. Yeah, so I think that was really hard is that even as a counselor I think I'm finding a hard time sort of keeping track of what other committees are doing. Even when we get reports I feel like things happen in meetings and they're not always included in reports. So maybe if you have, if you have a timeline written out. So maybe in August, if most counselors are going to be there to have an actual just a quick slide presentation of the timeline and the tasks. And then I know that I just started so liaisons just started I just had my first meeting with the Council on Aging. So maybe either you or I could maybe do or Stephanie we could just we could ask that eCAC be on that list so on our Town Council agenda, there's now going to be a list of liaisons and that we're going to have to report out. So maybe we might want to do that so that we keep eCAC and how it's doing and its agenda, almost, you know, at least once a month, or any pertinent meetings that's just an idea. Yeah, I guess I don't know about that. Good idea. Yeah, I think it's a good idea but maybe not for the committee to do that that sounds like a counselor thing. I do like the idea of us going back to some of the committees that we were going to. It's still. I'm sorry, I was just thinking this so that they'd be a larger, maybe a larger. That's a slide show coming from you guys about what you're tackling this year and your timelines. And then I was just saying to Darcy she or I could make that report out to Town Council, you know, sort of like liaisons every, you know, other week or a month just so that what eCAC is doing their timeline. And their tasks are being reported out so that it's always in the minds of town counselors. I was just wondering if that'd be helpful. That's a great idea I mean that's on our agenda of every town council meeting is that the council committees report. So we could just be on that list. That's what I'm thinking because that would be a regular way for us to keep that in in town councils mind so they're on board and nothing takes them by surprise. Yeah, yeah. Great idea in your first committee meeting. Oh, can't hear you. Okay, so we'll put that on the Stephanie will organize that. But I think Sarah and Darcy I would put it to you to get the eCAC on that list of the committee updates. Any other eCAC member updates. Wayne, yeah. Yep. So thanks. I am working under trying to finish up a grant that I have from the renewable thermal alliance which is out of Yale University, in which I developed a spreadsheet model that looks at really gets at this transition from in the building sector heating sector, particularly from fossil fuels to renewable heating. And, and really what the implications are with are with regard to greenhouse gas emissions cost, investment costs, operating costs, and greenhouse gas emission savings and allows a region, be it a town or a region or state to assume some sort of rate of market penetration and see what it would take to get there and what the impacts would be in terms of greenhouse gas reductions. And I'm part of my grant is to develop a case study. And I'd like to do that with Amherst and feed that into the committee as at least a data point or starting point to look at what we face, particularly in the future for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. And I guess I'm wondering whether there'd be interest. And if we could maybe schedule some time at one of these meetings after some of the stakeholders engagement is done. I think it would be more like in later July, early August to not only for me to my, my goal was to two purposes one is to really help with this committee. The second is to actually show this to somebody so I can get some feedback and critical feedback. To do some updates and revisions is necessary and then and make it and then make it better. And so wondering if that would be of interest and not to schedule right now but at some committee meeting in the future to, you know, maybe dedicate 20 minutes or something for this. Yeah, sounds good. Dwayne, if you just want to send a note to Stephanie and I with like what the agenda item will be. Sure. We can see and when you'd prefer. Yeah, that's the iffy part. It's like when I can get to it. Let's think about later July. But I'll, I'll, with plenty of notice, I'll let you know when I think I'm ready. And then we can schedule it the next available slot that's available. Yep. Can you send us something Dwayne, do you have anything in writing that you could provide. Well, not with the, not with Amherst as the case study but in terms of just a short description of the modeling itself. Yeah, I can do that I really haven't written too much up but I did a PowerPoint. On it a while back. So I could send that along via via Laura I guess and then she can distribute it. Yeah. Yeah, sounds great. All right, thanks. Okay. Let's move on. Stephanie, or not Stephanie sorry Darcy. Yeah, I just wondered if we could get a letter from ECAC to the town manager. Urging him to do that. That currently there's a charge to do that. That currently there's a charge for the school building committee. It just came out last week. And it doesn't specifically say. That anyone on the committee is required to have expertise in zero energy. Right. Yeah, I just wondered if we could get a letter from ECAC. To the town manager. Urging him to do that. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that anyone on the committee is required to have expertise in zero energy. Building. So since we do have a bylaw and since we're sort of like on the cutting edge globally of zero energy municipal buildings. It seems like that should be in the charge. Yeah, I just wanted to just send a, send a letter from ECAC that is like two sentences. Urging him to do that. Yeah. Jesse, did you have a comment? Yeah, they are. It states we're seeking members of the public who are interested in serving, including a resident with experience in energy efficient public architecture, engineering or construction. And then other, and then teachers. So, and so that's the phrase we're looking to goose up. I'd be happy to write, I would write it not just for net zero. I would think someone that has a broader understanding of carbon embodied operational climate change, renovation and new construction is how I would write it. And I could. What do I do? Where do, who do I send that to? Yeah, so I think if you want to adjust you, that's great. It would be awesome if you could write that. If you want to send it through to me and Stephanie, I think we can, I mean, you could just send it on behalf of ECAC as well to Paul through Stephanie, but maybe just CC both of us. And then. I think we could just send it straight through to Paul, but I think having Stephanie CC does important because then she would be able to do that. I think that would be a good idea to go through. But I think we can just follow up on that. Am I right, Stephanie? Yes, thank you. And then I just add, so that's a committee slot that's open. And I understand maybe also there's a slot that will be opening up on the planning board. There's actually two slots opening. Which I feel like is a place with a huge amount of leverage. And I know all of us are probably maxed out, but I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. Either in that commit school committee. Or the planning board slots, I think it would be. We should use our networks. Yeah. The planning board is probably going to. Try to select sometime during the summer. They haven't had a large enough pool yet to conduct interviews, but. I know of one person who has a, a long note to follow. I don't know if there's a person in the background who's going to apply for the planning board, but we do need to see if there's more people that are interested. Definitely. Yeah. And Jesse, I would just suggest. I mean, I don't think we need to send a long note to Paul, but I mean, I don't think it hurts to mention, to start with the school committee building committee. And then also mentioned that for committees like the planning board, it's. We should be considering people with these, these expertise. That's great. Yeah, Sarah. I keep talking. I'm sorry, but I'm on the CRC. And we appoint planning board members. And we are going to be down like three members. So we desperately need people. And if you could, if any of you have people in your circle that you think would be great, please, please, please have them apply. We desperately need good people. And I think that people having this background would be amazing. So please do. Great. That's helpful to know. Okay. So sounds like that's, we're good there. Thank you, Jesse, for stepping up. So let's move on to, um, let's kind of go back to, uh, the climate action planning process next steps on task groups. So I'm going to turn it over to Lauren or Jim here. I can pull up the sides. Yeah, I've got it. Okay. Awesome. Thanks, Stephanie. Um, so this first slide is really just to outline how we've decided to assign consultants to the various tasks groups. Um, so after some conversations, Stephanie and Laura, we thought it would be wise to have designated consultants for each, um, pair of co-chairs to call on if, um, if looking for support in creating any materials, um, working with on any aspects of the planning, um, and just sort of being in conversation about the task process. So we have, um, Jim working with Sarah and Jesse on the buildings group and with Dwayne and Andrew on the brings those electricity and CCA group. And I'll be working with Ashwin and Steve on the land use and initial systems group. Um, also just to note that because he Kaya, I think we've already said this, but they'll be present at all of the task group meetings as sort of a community leader liaison. Um, and as they mentioned, we do have, um, one participant who will have a translator with them. Um, so, um, I'll be working with Ashwin and Steve on the land use and initial systems group. Um, so we do have one participant who will have a translator with them. Um, so part of that will also be just to, um, they'll be present to, uh, act as a, an advocate for, um, the person who's needing translation to make sure that, um, people are speaking slowly enough and that the translator interpreter has enough time, um, to make that, uh, interpretation happen in a smooth fashion and to allow for that person to contribute to the conversation. Um, so that's, that's really all that the slide was meant to cover. Um, just so that you all know that you can turn to these, um, to your assigned consultants with any questions, any ideas. Um, and as we move forward in the process of, um, developing agendas and things like that, um, finalizing agendas for the, the various meetings that you'll be working closely with those folks. Um, Lauren, can I just jump in real quick here? Yeah, please do. So I just want to state that, um, the consultants that are assigned to your groups should be copied on any correspondence, uh, as we move forward in planning the sector group work. So anything you're doing, you should be including them because they're there to assist you and help you with the facilitation. And also, um, the same goes for me because we're here to support and especially now, I think, you know, with the crazy formatting that we have to deal with, um, it's really important to sort of have that kind of support. So, um, please know that you should definitely be copying them on everything, um, as you go forward at this point. Sorry, Lauren. Go ahead. No, not at all. Thanks. Definitely. Yeah. I think that is a really important point, just knowing how we're sort of constrained with the open meeting law, um, that we can be that, you know, we can be that, you know, we can be that liaison, um, and, and that support to develop things that, um, so that we're not in violation of any of that. Jesse, I see you have a question. Just to clarify, you, Stephanie, we CC. So I would CC Jim and Stephanie on every, and Sarah, that would be the thread. Okay. Thank you. And, um, I think. Uh, for Sarah Swartz, we should. Um, I think we should go back to the land use and natural systems group. Um, so. Uh, Just kind of noting that Steve for you and Ashwin. Um, and Lauren. Thanks. Um, Sarah excited to have you. And, um, Yeah, I guess I didn't introduce myself when I started talking for Sarah's sake. So I'll just say briefly now. Um, my name is Lauren Dilla para. I'm a member of the name solutions, uh, team member.  Uh, and sustainability planning. I'm also a fellow UMass and we're so long. Um, and, uh, Very much missing the valley right now in the summertime. So, um, Okay. So moving on the, uh, We created this slide just, um, To Steve's point earlier, Clarify what's coming up. Um, and so there's no confusion so that everyone has this And a succinct format. Um, so the slides will, I'm sure it can be sent out afterwards. Everyone has this for reference. Um, but as we've already covered, we have the, The meetings with the community leaders, The committee, and then those two groups together coming up toward the end of the month. We'll have that one hour sort of kickoff, um, Meeting on the 30th. Um, not sure what time yet. And as Stephanie mentioned, that will be recorded as well. So folks can't make it. They'll be able to view it before the sector works. Um, and then we have the sector groups, the task groups, Um, that will be coming up, um, Starting in July. And those three meetings are going to be focused on strategy, Identification, prioritization, And then implementation and monitoring sort of loosely. We don't have, um, Specific agendas for those yet. And the next slide. We'll talk a little bit more about that. Um, so we were asked to speak to ask, or. Oh yeah, of course. Sorry. Um, do folks have preference? I mean, I think we should shoot for the evening, But like five to six, Six to seven, seven to eight, eight to nine. I feel like it needs to be somewhere within that timeframe. We're talking about the 30th. Yeah. Yeah. That early evening would be better for me. I have a meeting already at seven. Okay. Maybe I would be good to know sort of what folks conflicts are. So that we can work around. So Andrew, Andrew, is your meeting, um, seven to eight or seven to nine? Oh, seven to eight, 30. Okay. So would five or six work with the rest of the members of the group? I have a meeting that I shouldn't miss that ends at five 30. On Tuesdays, basically, but. So five, but I could start sharply at five 30. Okay. All right. So that gives us Stephanie, I think that gives us a range and you know, we'll do our best with the rest of the group and other meetings that the town may have on, um, To schedule something for that. Okay. Great. Thanks. Um, So we were just asked to speak to how the task groups are going to work in this virtual format. And much like the committee meetings, they will need to be in webinar format, which I know is a little bit of a bummer. We can't do break up great breakout groups. Um, for the same reasons that we came up against last time, we tried to do that, which is the potential for zoom bombers. Um, and, and also most importantly conforming to the meeting law. Um, so we won't be able to do breakout groups. We will be doing it in webinar format with all of the, um, participants as panelists. And then if there are members of the public that come and want to comment or, um, give feedback, then they'll be, um, allowed to watch the proceedings and then, um, given time to chime in as needed. And then of course, as leaders of these task groups, you'll be welcoming everyone into the process, recapping the purpose of the meetings. Um, and as because he kind of presented some of those group agreements, um, I think, um, I think, um, I think, um, um, earlier, I guess last week we focused on those. Um, we'll want to probably reiterate those at every meeting. Um, and, and just to frame the meeting's conversation since each of the meetings will be focused on different things. Any questions? I have a question. Um, I strongly have been advocating for, um, to be visible at meetings. Um, we, I did this at, um, my district five meeting. And it, it felt really good. Um, one way to provide security for a meeting like that is to, to require that people register. Um, so I just know it's like super doable. Um, to have a people friendly meeting on zoom that is secure. Um, so, um, to the extent that we could do that would be great. And, you know, it's not that we would have that many members of the public, but it would be nice to be able to. Invite them into the meeting so that they're visible.  They might, they. They might not be able to speak unless called on or something like that. Um, Anyway, totally. I think the, the. Want to be able to accommodate that, of course, to the utmost extent possible. I think if folks are panelists, just the limitations of zoom, if folks are panelists, then they are able to meet and unmute themselves. But I think. Um, There, there shouldn't be an issue with that if we're already familiar with folks. Definitely. I can't speak to the question of registration. Um, I have to, I am going to push back on the registration piece because that's just logistically. Going to be really challenging. Um, to just have people register for. Um, The sector work, which really, I mean, at this stage. I'm thinking that this is a lot. Darcy, if you remember the, when we had the MVP planning process, there was initially just the, you know, the. The time when all the stakeholders gathered together, we were in growth breakout groups and we were able to have a conversation. Um, a facilitated conversation. And I think that's kind of what you want to be doing with this work as well. And it seems to me that if we're just opening it up to people to generally come in, it's really going to sort of muddy the process of what we're trying to do. There will be opportunity when we're getting community feedback, maybe on, um, A planned draft, but I think at this stage, when you're trying to actually get the meat of the work, you don't have that many meetings. It seems like a lot, but you really don't. Um, and I, I really, I would say that I would push back a bit on, on that idea. Technically, if we were doing this as part of the process, we wouldn't, it wouldn't even necessarily be, it would be like the planning process. We're in a room. We've just heard from a lot of members of the public. Who, uh, are attending our meetings as attendees in a webinar. And they don't have any way to like know who else is there. They have no way. Are you at your, you're assuming that people from the public are going to join our task groups. Meetings. Maybe. Yeah. Well, I don't know. We can see art right now. Yeah, maybe five people.  Um, He's not a participant. He's an attendee and he shows up. Um, yeah. Um, Yeah. I did not elevate him to, he is in my attendee list. He is the only one. Sounds like that solves our problem then. Um, if folks are still able to be visible, but are not panelists. So. Well, yeah, if they're visible, I've never seen that before. So that is very interesting. I may have allowed it. It might be. I don't know. So Darcy, we can investigate that and see what's possible with soon. It sounds like it sounds like given that artist here and we can see him, but he's not a panelist that it is possible. So that that's great. Hopefully that's the case. I think that's a great, a great thing to figure out and probably be valuable. Uh, moving forward as an option. In lots of different settings. So that's cool. Totally. Since we don't know when we'll be able to meet in person again. Okay. Great. Yeah. I just had a question. I'm just again trying to figure out the scope and how this is being. Um, these invitations and so forth. I guess my question is it did relate to a comment earlier. Um, and I'm just trying to wonder how the, um, Um, Task Force members, I forget all the terminology, but the people were convening task group members. Are they going to be, what sort of context are they going to be given in the invitation? Do they know that there, um, are, uh, for other, uh, task groups going on covering different things. Um, and it gets to the point of, you know, when they start a conversation that is really belongs, maybe in a different task force, are they going to be aware or do we have to explain all that? Um, to me, it would seem helpful if there's a, an email that goes, you know, the invitation sort of lays out the context. Um, within the broader context. Um, stakeholder engagement that we're doing. Yeah. That's a great question. I think the, the first thing that we're going to do, um, that will help people. Give people that context. Um, Is going to be that meeting on the 30th. The one hour sort of kickoff meeting. That's really intended to be the contextualizing moment. Um, so that's where folks will find out about the other task groups and the variety of topics being covered. Um, we're also creating a sort of welcome packet. Um, uh, it's going to probably end up being a three or four page document that just sort of gives a high level overview of this process and also of the work that's already been done to date. Um, through the MVP process and through all the ECACs outreach work. Um, so folks will have that as well as sort of the tool to ground them in the next meeting. Um, So folks will have that as well as sort of the tool to ground them in the larger process. I knew we were in good hands. Um, and I was also confused. So the 30th meeting. Um, is not just the community leaders, but it's all for all the task force. Yeah. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Yes. That meeting on the 30th is intended to be for everyone who's participating in the process. Great. You have it like the launch meeting. Yeah. Exactly. Perfect. Yeah. Nice. I have a similar question. Is for each of these meetings. Uh, is there an identified, um, person or persons who, who are really the leader of the meeting who are. Running it, setting the tone, et cetera, et cetera. That's a really good question. Jesse. And I think actually, um, I'm going to go to the next slide to address it because, um, your question, the answer to that question really depends on how big these groups end up being. So we wanted to sort of frame this conversation a little bit because, um, as Stephanie already mentioned, as we're inviting folks and we're inviting folks into this larger process, because we want to leave flexibility in how the groups end up being constituted because if we end up with a ton of respondents for one group and hardly any for another, we want to be able to even out the group sizes and make sure that we're not dealing with, you know, wildly different group sizes because it really does influence what the process ends up looking like. So if we have smaller groups, then that process can be more conversational, can be a little bit more intimate, and we end up getting much deeper perspective from folks. Um, so it tends to need a little bit less, um, rigid facilitation, less, less sort of structure. Whereas if we end up with a large group, um, then we're probably going to want to structure and facilitate that. We're definitely going to want to structure and facilitate those processes much more tightly. Um, and we'll end up getting a breadth of perspective, which is great. Neither, neither option is better than the other. It's just a difference in how we end up orchestrating these processes. So I would say with the small groups, because there's more room for conversation, um, and just a little bit more of a conversational tone, the agendas don't need to be as rigid as structured, um, as planned, whereas if the groups are larger, they're going to need to be so. And so that's where, um, where the balance will shift towards linear and bringing in some more of those structured facilitation tools that we use in other contexts. Um, and, um, um, of course the task group co-chairs are, as I mentioned on an earlier slide, um, really the folks that we want to be setting the tone for the conversation, introducing the major ideas. Um, because the relationships that we're trying to build here are, are among you all. Um, so we want to support that, but if it ends up that we're working with larger groups, then we probably will play a larger role in facilitation. I think so. I mean, the, the, the between the lines is the, how prepared each of us need to be going into these meetings. Yeah. Oh, I. Sorry, go ahead, Laura. Um, yeah, I mean, I think that we do need to, um, I think the task group co-chairs with their, with Jim or Lauren need to meet. Once we set up our first task group meetings need to probably have an offline meeting to kind of hash some details out. You'll have a better sense of who's going to be there. We'll have had the intro meeting or the kickoff meeting. So we'll have a sense of what questions people may have or, or things like that. Um, I think we'll have a sense of who's going to be there. Um, and kind of a joint effort with where we're relying on the expertise of Jim and Lauren to help us figure out the best way to facilitate the meeting. Um, and the intro meeting, I think we'll be much more of like a webinar presentation where we're just sort of presenting. Stephanie is going to leave Stephanie will be sort of the emcee of that. Kind of giving an introduction to why we're here in the first meeting. So we're going to have a talk with, um, my, my, um, myself or Andra or someone can present. Just the quick update of ecac. Um, Gazzikaya and Ashwin can present the community. Uh, how do we have it written here? Um, And then, uh, Jim or Lauren will present the process. And the different groups and how all of that's going to work. Yeah. And Jesse, I was just going to say, I think, I don't think that one or the other will require more or less preparation on your part, honestly. I think with the larger groups it might end up just that you'll lean on us a little bit more. But in terms of the level of preparation that the community co-chairs will need to do I think it will be the same. I have a question to the extent that we have our own ideas about our sector areas. And to the extent that we've done research with the with the communities that the consultants provided for us for purposes of comparison. It seems obviously like those things are very valuable for us to be bringing to the meetings, right? Of course, why wouldn't we? Yeah, I don't Darcy this is Jim I don't think I understand what you what you're what what what it is you're saying there you concerned about not being able to share expertise or I'm just saying the question was do we need to be prepared. Oh, I think, yeah, I think the answer to that is that the answer is sort of a general heck yeah. The, the U is committee members have done a lot of preparation already, and bring sort of walk into the task force or the task group see now, see now you've got me confused about what they are again. All of that work and the experience and all the different other committees you were working on, as will other committee members right I mean other task group members will be also similarly walking in with quite a lot of stuff that they bring to this process. And the real trick will be to in the process of three meetings and some homework to kind of form that into some strategies that have actions that are grounded in what the is going on in the town and what's happening at the committees and are highly aspirational and we will grab people as a as a sort of an ongoing plan idea that the work I don't think is going to be in the process of coming up with the ideas. The work is going to be in the process of kind of forming the ideas into something that that is is a plan, essentially, and that's where we're, you know, really looking to you committee members, you know, Lene and really, I think Lauren said that beautifully which is this is not our plan. We're just here to help you guys get there. And it is your plan. It's the town's plan. And so, you know, how that process unfolds is really how do we, how do we bring all of these things together, all of us, because we all share responsibility how do we bring all these things together into something that is cohesive and thoughtful and aspirational, as I say. Jim, it's like real quick and Darcy, I just want to say that I think the idea is that if you have some very specific ideas from some plans, that's why you'll be working with one of the facilitators that you'll work with Jim or Lauren to help you figure out what are the things you want to bring to the meeting and how you want to incorporate that so that's part of what all that planning is and that's why you have them to work with because they'll help you sort of figure that out where your ideas fit in with bringing other people's ideas in as well. I guess I'm just saying that that if, if any of the members of the committee here are thinking about what they need to do to prepare, you know, one, one thing that was very helpful to me is to look at those best practices and other communities that was very helpful. Yeah, and so I'm just saying that that's why you can talk to your, you know, to Lauren or Jim, each group can and sort of flush that out. You know, who wants to incorporate what best practices from what community and you can all work with them to sort of figure that out. We don't have time, you can do that ahead of time. Yeah, we definitely have time. We should already be doing that. So, the task groups, and I think we need to, we sort of had that breakout group and some of the task groups co chairs met together, and if Darcy and I met, we sent information to Lauren Lauren's been helpful in taking that information and making edits in the document so we kind of got off that for a week or so so now we're getting back into where we've got the plan set for these these pre meetings and sort of kind of starting now into our next full PCAC meeting. We're going to need to be really working towards being ready for the task group meetings of the with the, you know, sort of nuts and bolts of what we're trying to do because at the end of the day we're trying to make a climate action plan, and have priorities for the next five years. And so, for all of these sectors. Yeah, yeah. So, I'm sorry. I'm having trouble seeing the screen at the same time as hearing people talk. So, will we, our next meeting is after all of the intro meetings. So I'm thinking ahead to on the 30th. Will we be able to tell people when our first task group meetings will be. And on the second one we meet, will we be going over our plans for our first meeting so that we should become being prepared for that discussion and have input into each other's plans. So I think the answer is, sorry, Lauren. I think that me personally feel that we're not going to be given the amount of work, given the fact that we're just going to all have to be in these pre meetings. So I don't want to assume that anybody on the committee is going to have more than those three hours of time to do committee work between now and our meeting on the first. So I think that the meeting on the first is really going to have to be us getting ready for the task group, the first task group meetings, which will happen later in the month. Lauren, if I can jump in, yeah, I was just going to say, it will probably be important for the next committee meeting to be focused on that, especially because by then we'll know who's involved in the process who's said yes. And at that point we can define the task groups we can say definitively these people are in this group, etc. So that's when we'll be able to say that's when we'll be able to schedule effectively. I think we probably want to aim to have meetings with the co chairs and their consultants that first week of July to plan out those the agendas for those first meetings. This is probably something to talk about as a group so Laura I defer to you but in terms of it might be a good idea to set a target week for when we want to have those first task group meetings, even if we don't have specific dates, just so that we can give people What do you think? Yeah, I think that that makes sense, although I feel like I've thrown out weeks several times and then quickly come past that time frame so I mean so we're going to send out the invitation and we're going to invite everybody to the meeting on the 30th. And that's going to happen Stephanie said as soon as possible by Monday is the goal. Early in the week. Yeah, so at the meeting on the 30th. I don't think we'll be ready to say this task group is meeting this day but I think we should want to be able to say you'll be getting an email from us with a doodle poll about your which task group you're in and a doodle poll for when you want to meet. I think that should be our goal for the meeting on the 30th and we should send that out the following day or two. Does that sound like a good time frame for everybody. Do we have a timeline, a required timeline of when, when the meetings have to happen. So after the first. I'm sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, the only requirements we really have right now are these four meetings before June 30, other than that everything else happens after July 1, everything like and then we have until the grant is has to be completed done by the end of May in 21. Yes, so the deadline is the end of May 2021. And we're also still on track with the original timeline that had the task group meetings happening from June through August so for a little bit later but the three task group meetings happen before the end of August that we're still on track with our original timeline. Just one one option, because I know we we meet as a task as a as a committee on the first. And I'm wondering if everybody's convened by zoom on the 30th. Whether there might be some good zoom process by which people can just fill in a spreadsheet on at that point or something of dates that they are available or not available for the task force meetings. And then we can convene when we part of our agenda on the first as a committee would be just to set those dates and make sure they're they're fine with the committee members that are on those each of those groups. Yeah, a doodle poll with that many people and different tasks, tasks groups. Of course, I wouldn't do it but but I wouldn't. It's that can be a problem. Sounds like a mess. But no, that's a great idea either, you know, a Google form or could use a poll structure, whatever I mean we can figure out that's a great idea we can figure out a way to do that that's fast and not super obtrusive. And doesn't you know, divert everybody for 20 minutes during a one hour meeting. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a great, great thought. Perfect. Andra, did you have something to add. Okay. All right, why don't you keep rolling. Yeah, so this is actually the last slide that we have to cover. And the last point there was just to reiterate that we're inviting people into the overall process that are going to figure out what the Constitution of the individual test groups are. Once we know who's confirmed. So, yeah, that's, that's a look at any last question. Great. Yeah, awesome. So just to reiterate, I think on. So everybody should have saved time on their calendar for the 27th and 28th. And we'll get more info about sign in and things like that closer to the date, the time on the 30th. We'll be shooting for somewhere between 530 and seven, but we're going to get a sense of, but we'll look to Stephanie for, for that time. And again, this is something that we've course encourage all you can come first to come to but there's, there will also be recorded so if you miss it, it's that's okay. During that meeting, I think that's a great idea. We're going to that will be a meeting that everybody comes to we're going to try to we want to encourage so in the invitation that's going to go out next week. We're going to let people know we're having this intro meeting be really great if you can join. We'll let them know that it is recorded but we want to try to get people to join. So during that meeting we're going to go over to Duane's point, sort of, you know that there's these different tasks groups that they focus in these different areas this is what we're hoping to accomplish over the next three meetings. And we will, I think, I would suggest that we pulled together some slides for that that we can circulate to the group ahead of time. So I am sorry I've got a kid yelling in the background. Um, then on the first which is our next I was worried that was my kid. I love the sound of other people's kids. And it's a every other day fight about getting out of the bath. Um, the on the first which is our next meeting. I think we're going to spend the first bit of that sort of debriefing from our meetings that we've had. And then the second half I think will be focused on looking forward so hopefully at that point we, if we do the poll during the meeting on the 30th. Hopefully we'll be able to schedule at least the first task group meetings for all the task groups will be able to make sure the co chairs and the consultants have scheduled time to get together. As far as co chairs. There's a couple things that we should be, we should be doing. There's the list of strategic priorities that Lauren and team have put together for us. I know Darcy and I have gone through that list Darcy's added to Darcy's point earlier Darcy's added priorities that she found from some of the other plans that we've reviewed. So I would encourage you if you have the time to look and you haven't done it yet to look at that list to look at the plans and figure out there's anything else you want to add or any other way you want to format that for your specific task group. And we'll spend the rest of the time on the first really prepping for our first tasks group meetings will also have a better sense at that point, the numbers that will be in the different tasks groups. So we can maybe talk in a little bit more detail about the different ways we might facilitate that conversation. Alright, so I just wanted to add there were requests from several folks to reorganize those strategies that were previously developed into themes. So I'm happy to do that for all the groups. Great. Yeah, it may be helpful Lauren if you're working on that to maybe send it back out or send it through Stephanie back out to everybody. In the next week or so so people. Yeah, definitely. Lauren and Jim I think we should talk early, like maybe on Monday. If we could, and we can sort of talk about some of these things. That sounds good. I would just encourage everybody to go ahead and read through those previous plans that were sent out. There's lots of great ways things are organized and themes and there's just a ton of ton of really good stuff. Obviously, they're for other places. But that's okay. They're they're highly valuable. We want to make sure that what happens is really about Amherst, but the themes I think are pretty universal. Okay. Is it possible that we may in early for the first time in history. Let's see anybody have any other things to add. Thanks. All right. Well, thank you everybody. I think this was a really great meeting. And I look forward to connecting with you next weekend. All right. Thanks everyone. Bye bye.


El-Ad Thursday night at the edge of Independence Day here in Israel, Jonathan Regal, Defense Correspondent is here in studio. Jonathan, this is coming in just now into our newsroom. What's the latest? Yes, we can see the images. This is happening roughly 10, 20 minutes ago following a 60-hour manhunt since Thursday evening when the attack took place. We can see the images. The two terrorists tried to hide in a forest near the city of Rochein, Rochein, some four or five miles to the north of El-Ad. So the assumption all along the way, the assumption of the security forces was that these terrorists are still hiding within Israeli territory. This proved to be right. There were things, literally, the seconds in which they were captured. And this happened just minutes ago, 10, 15 minutes ago. And Jonathan, this manhunt has been going on since Thursday. And of course, it's been the whole area under alert, and not just that area, but these are the two terrorists that the police and police forces, of course, were looking for both inside Israel and also in the West Bank to recap of the horrible events of Independence Day. What happened there in El-Ad?  These are two people that actually, they were illegally in Israel, but they were working in El-Ad. This is not something, unfortunately, these are things that happen. People who are illegally in Israel work in Israeli construction sites, and men who knew them took them into the city, and then they killed them. They killed the men who brought them in, and they carried out this attack using axes. They killed another two people, so three victims altogether. Another four people were injured. And then they fled the scene. Police forces were there quickly, but they were still able to flee. And since then, since Thursday evening, two and a half days, some 60 hours or so, they have been hiding probably in that forest where they are, which is not very far, some four or five miles out to the north of El-Ad. They've been hiding there, and now they've been caught by security forces. Yes. So those of you joining us, breaking the news at this time here in Israel, a wave of terror attacks in Israel in the past month and a half. There's been at least five attacks, Jonathan, if I'm correct. It depends on what you call an attack. There have been a chance of them. Beresheva and Chadera and Tel Aviv, of course, and El-Ad, and Dei-Rach. And there was the security guard killed in the city of Ariel. If we count all of these together, we're speaking of 18 victims in the space of a month and a half in Israel and in the West Bank. Interestingly enough, interestingly or not, one place which is considerably more quiet is Gaza. Gaza is quiet, but all of this is directed by Ikea Sinoir, who's doing all of the incitement work from Gaza, inciting for violence in Israel, inciting for violence in the West Bank, making sure the West Bank and Israel, they bleed, and Gaza does not. Yeah. And Israel is threatening a wider campaign against Hamas and Gaza, as you mentioned, with a possible chase after Sinoir. But at the time, this is debated, both in government and, of course, Israeli military. In the very, very fragile coalition. Yeah, in the very fragile coalition that will resume its plenum tomorrow with the summer session. The two terrorists who committed the horrific terror attack in El-Ad Thursday night who killed three men there using axes at the edge of Independence Day celebrations here in Israel were captured this morning. And we can see the footage again of where they were captured in a forest not far away from where the terror attack was committed. Jonathan, this is just an open space, a forest that is inside the West Bank territory or on the edges of road number six within the green line. On the edges of road number six, if we speak of El-Ad, El-Ad sits on road number six, road number six, for those who do not know, practically crossing Israel almost all the way from north to south. Some parts of it in the area near El-Ad, near Oshayn, this road is very, very close to what is known as the green line, the green line separating Israel and the West Bank. And that road is very close. It is, unfortunately, there is a security barrier, but unfortunately that security barrier, as we know, has many holes allowing for people, even allowing for cars to cross from the West Bank to Israel. These people may have crossed in that way. They knew the area. They knew the scene where they were acting simply because they worked in the city of El-Ad before. They even knew some people there as far as we understand. And as you mentioned, El-Ad is very close to the West Bank. So is the forest where they were caught. We can assume that they were hoping to cross back into the West Bank, as it seemed that they didn't do it. And Jonathan, I think one of the things that are very painful, of course, for communities around that area, and generally in Israel, is that so many Palestinian workers come into Israel daily. We're talking about thousands that come in from the West Bank around 20,000. 20,000 with permits. Many, many more without permits. And then there's around 15,000 that come in from Gaza. And it's a way also helping, of course, the Palestinian community. There is trust between these two communities. These terrorists that committed the attack, how long have they been working in El-Ad for? They've been working for quite some time, for weeks. They knew the scene. They knew some people. They met some people before. They knew where there's a park. It's not just by chance that they arrived there. Possibly they also knew that within the ultra orthodox community, there are perhaps less people carrying guns, carrying ammunition and so, than as opposed to other sectors. And yes, I've been working in El-Ad for quite some time. We now want to turn Jonathan to El-Ad, where Ariel Liffin Waldman is following the manhunt. And of course, the reactions there in El-Ad to the news coming in today, Ariel. Yeah, the police are saying that the information is still going to be coming out as the details are still scarce. But the breaking news is that those two terrorists have been captured just a mile north of the El-Ad city. They were in the forest outside of Kibbutz, which is, again, just a mile north of here. They had been in the area. They'd gone to ground for about 60 hours while the police were hoping that they made a mistake and showed their presence. Now, the news hasn't just gotten around yet. It only came out a few minutes ago. But we are going to keep you updated with the reactions of people on the ground as the information comes in. It was a very sensitive issue close to the heart of this community. And all throughout the morning, people were staggered and furious that the police had not managed to catch these terrorists after days and days and days of searching. Now that's finally changed. People are going to rest a little easier, given the reactions getting earlier, knowing that these two people have been caught. Now, the question is, is it going to inspire more attackers or not? That's going to be the next question on everyone's mind. And, Arielle, we're seeing footage from this morning of the capture itself. Those moments in the forest, as you mentioned, north of Notre Dame and the forest, where we can see IDF soldiers putting their hands on the terrorists that were hiding there between the bushes, how common is it nowadays that we get direct footage from the IDF of operation like this that is, of course, so sensitive and was awaited for for a few days? Look, it comes down to which portion of the operation. We have seen the perp walk of terrorists that have been captured before. And we've seen that fairly recently with the other two gunmen that were captured just a couple of weeks ago. During the operations itself, we do not see those images certainly not live, because there is a desire to protect the security of the forces operating to make sure that there is no knowledge of what's going on in the field that the terrorists could use to their advantage that might show the positions of soldiers. In the past, though, it was not that common that we even saw footage of the capture. It would be simply relying on a word from the military about the nature of the terrorist. And usually they would just use a term like neutralized, which could mean injured, it could mean dead, it could mean captured. We didn't really have any idea of what was going on. Now to the fact that there are cameras everywhere, it seems that the IDF is moving towards more transparency in these matters. When you have that many eyes focused on a search like this, it's going to be impossible to censor every aspect of the chase. So it's not that surprising that we're starting to see footage like this come out. Okay, Ariel. Thank you for that. And of course, we'll be back with you after you gather some of the responses and reactions in Elad, the bleeding city of Elad after the terror attack on Thursday that killed three. Thank you very much. We now want to go to Rafael Urshami. He's a former senior intelligence officer in the IDF and security analyst. He joins us from Rishal Nathiyan. Rafael, there's a lot of criticism over the IDF in recent weeks that they have been able to capture the terrorists post the terror attacks, but they don't have enough information or enough intelligence to prevent these terror attacks beforehand. Why is that? What does the IDF need to do differently in order to be able to stop these attackers before and not after? Well, in this particular case, it is obvious why the IDF could not stop these attackers beforehand because they answer the perfect profile of the lone wolf, meaning a surprise decision, spontaneous decision also almost last minute to do go and perpetrate terrorist attack. Even their own families claim not to have been in the know of their intentions. Then no preparation as they knew the area. They didn't even come and visited beforehand to check where they would act because they knew more or less where they were going and they knew the streets. So there was no a planification beforehand that could have made it possible to detect them. They probably also because it was so spontaneous, didn't exchange emails or WhatsApp bit among themselves. We see that it was so unplanned that the contrary to the estimates of the security forces, the terrorists have not prepared or planned a hiding place. They had nowhere to go. We saw that they are knowing the area. They might have known where to hide or they would have gone maybe to an Arabic village nearby. No, they went just in the forest to hide behind the bush. So to follow on that, what is what is the way that Israel can deescalate what's happening on the ground in recent weeks? Because it seems like for now we're in this routine where one incident and just propels the other. And there is copycat attacks, etc. Well, unfortunately, it's a little too late now to deescalate the estimate is that this wave is not over yet that there will be more attempts or maybe successful attempts of terrorist attacks. This being said, we have no choice but to do the real job and to grab the problem by the roots, which are two. First, the cyber problem, meaning all the social networks, we have to have better control of what is circulating on the social networks, because it's a flood of calls to hatred and violence and martyrdom inundating the networks and seen by young Palestinian people who are influenced by it. No doubt that this control unit, a special unit has been added to the police for controlling this flow of hatred. And the other route, the other problem that has to be taken care of is to go all the way up to the leadership. You have to strike hard at the leadership, mostly of the Hamas and the Islamic jihad, who are in the state of war. And so long as we arrested these two boys, you saw these two young boys almost starved. I wouldn't say we're in the state of war just yet, but definitely this is where it could escalate. Also, a harsh activity against Hamas could also be the beginning of the war. Sinouar declared as thing that Mr. Sinouar declared war when he said he asked to young Palestinian people to take guns, and if they don't have guns to take axes and don't kill Jewish people, if this is not the declaration of war, this is not an act of resistance. It's a war. It's a jihad.  And legally speaking, we are in war. That's why the army is also operating. We are in war conditions, even though it's not the army we're facing, but terrorists. Nevertheless, whatever the definition might be, because as you say, you can play on words and we are not really in a conflict, a traditional conflict, classical war. It doesn't change the fact that we should hit the leaders of the Hamas. Time has come. It has been refused a few times by the political level, but it has been asked many a time by the security services to hit the heads and to Mr. Sinouar first. Even there, the opinions, of course, inside the security and defense forces vary. The chief of general staff of the IDF is not for it right now. He thinks the timing is not good. He didn't say not to eliminate Mr. Sinouar. We should eliminate him, but not at this particular time, because he said it would lead to an escalation, maybe to a war. Others in the Shin Bet, things we should be eliminated. Not only him, we have two or three people such as Mr. Mohammed Daphne, which is a very symbolical, iconic figure of the Hamas.  There are leaders, but these leaders also have, and they have a very strong position, of course, within Hamas and Islamic jihad. But if they are taken, it would only cause also more anger, and there would be other leaders that would take their place. This is also something that Israel, of course, needs to take in consideration, and that's why they're not doing it so quickly. Rafa Ali, you were telling me, thank you very much. I do want to turn to Jonathan Regev back, because we have some more news from the ground, and this is a good time to mention that the cabinet meeting that was scheduled for today, a day before the parliament resumes its session tomorrow, was now pushed back by at least half an hour, maybe more, due to recent events in the capture of these two terrorists who committed the terror attack in Elad on Thursday night. Jonathan, back to you. What's the latest? Yes, a few reactions. First, the police chief, the police commissioner, Jacob Shabtai, was on the side saying that thanks to the work of police, the IDF and the Israeli security agency, the chase of following these terrorists is over, the intensive work, which began right after the attack and the 60 hours that followed enabled eventually to catch these two terrorists. The minister of internal security, Omar Barlev, saying he congratulates the security establishment for catching the two terrorists, which committed the attack in Elad in the past two and a half days. All of the security branches work together, IDF, police, Israel security agency to make sure these terrorists are caught, which eventually happened. This is even closer to Elad and what we thought this forest being about a mile or so, even less, away from the city of Elad. And as we heard the analysts saying these people carried out the attack and fled and found refuge in the first place that they thought possible, they were there for two and a half days. I'll say waiting to be caught because they were there, no food, no water, no nothing. And this morning, some police units operating in the area spotted some suspicious movements and they came in. We saw not much resistance from the two terrorists. An act of hatred for sure, also an act of despair. We're seeing live images there from the forest where the terrorists were caught and we can see some curious young boys there, also orthodox, looking at the scene. Of course, a lot of forces there, both police and Shin Bet and of course also a lot of IDF units at the site at the moment. Caldeline reserves Alon of Yatar, Palestinian Affairs expert and former COGAT advisor joins us now from Shuslam. Thank you very much for being with us. I do want to try and take the news a step further and get your input on the discussion, the ongoing discussion that is carried out here in Israel over the media and in government, over the need to assassinate a senior like Sinwar, for example. And we've heard from Rafael Hirushami saying it should be done now. What do you think? Well, generally, Israel, I think that those, I would say, statements or I would say personal opinions about the question should be not on the media, but just on the headquarters of the IDF and the Shabbat and the government and not out of camera. I think that to this topic, to this question, if Sinwar should be assassinated or not, it's a question, it's a wide one. It's not a tactic step. Israel should prefer or choose the policy, the wide policy, if this, I would say, steps, if those steps should be right now or later, it's a part of the question. Israel have to choose the opportunity, the circumstances and the time. The wide question, if killing Sinwar or other leader in the leadership of Hamas will be solved, the problem of the terror, of course not. But it's part of one of the tools and I think that it could be, I would say, calm down the situation for why, but we have to be ready for a war, if we want. Could it also cause further escalation in case a senior like that is assassinated? I mean, assassinate will lead to escalation, to a wide escalation. I don't know, nobody knows if it will be continued by military operation in Gaza Strip or not and how long, but for sure, the situation will be escalated. I think that it should be remind a professional discussion. It means that there are a few, I would say, factors that need to assassinate and there are not. Part of the discussion should be include also not just the question of Sinwar or the leadership of Hamas, but what will be the results for the long run? Of course, and I'm sure that will be discussed in cabinet today that is convening shortly to discuss the developments. Alon of Yatari, thank you very much. Call no reserves. Sadly, we need to part here. Jonathan Regev, thank you very much. Thank you for joining our special broadcast, delivering the news of two terrorists who committed the attack in Elad on Thursday that were captured this morning in a forest just a mile or so away from Elad. Thank you very much for tuning in.