Even after that, I was thinking of the wrong company yesterday because that was wait till the last minute bunch of teases Worst case scenario it doesn't can I put it into the main? You know what if they don't have them by quick hits, we'll just do it tomorrow. Okay It's nice to have them in there to tease that we're gonna talk about it tomorrow, but if they don't they don't I'd rather wait a day and get it like a nice analysis Then rush to stick it in somewhere Just cover all the bases like Apple beat earnings Apple did not beat earnings one of those is true tomorrow Generally, we'll get all three of those headlines depending on who's reporting. That's a that's true Apple disappoints Apple Apple unexpected great earnings, and it's the same numbers Apple scene beating around a bush record growth but Epic Sloth, that's right Apple No, slow it's like it has been slowed because let's go with like an old English slow it Boy slow with that roll I love that CNBC already has their story up in the cat in the carousel just waiting. They're like, here's the expectations. I Hate that they all do that.  You know that Totally. Yeah, I want to get in that out.  They are expected to announce earnings per share of $2 and 36 cents, which is good I mean Remember Apple already cut their first quarter forecast. So honestly, these are probably going to be boring earnings that meet the Reforecast if they are actually missed the re-forecast, that's a big story. I think Don't forget Apple has a time machine so they can fix it the hot tub time machine The time machine still exists the the back. Oh, yeah. No, they've retired that product line. Yeah Now you can only get the hot tub time machine. Oh Did they run out of Deloreans? That's what the Apple car really is You know, I never understood the reasoning for using the Delorean because they needed a car that could conduct electricity For metal body, but most cars have a metal body or they used to this wasn't painted, right? The aluminum don't stainless steel. Yeah, if you have a painted car, it doesn't conduct. Well the paint doesn't conduct Unless you have metal in the paint. I guess. Yeah, but I remember I know this because when I was in technical school And we had a painted folding chair a metal chair my teacher was he clamped on Alligator clips to a battery and the chair. He's like come on try it and was like no He goes it doesn't conduct electricity.  So he did nothing happened So we would test it. He was right as long as it's painted with a certain kind of paint You don't have the hands on the paint some Well there so just in case if you wanted to try out your own electric chair you got to do your research Yeah, make sure you have the right paint Anyone that was a great teacher though. I got metallic blue paint job Okay I was gonna say ladies and gentlemen, but it's just all let's just us the audience. Yeah, I'm not gonna box you in Sizzle on its bacon folks All right. I'm ready to go And are you oh wait come in they just came in did they really Literally watch they watch to see Swung it on a vine.  Haha. We'll put him out now. That'll that'll show him Okay, well, I'll just ad lib them then here we go in three Sorry three two Adam Wells has supported independent tech news directly for about a day be like Adam become a DTS member at patreon.com slash DT and S This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday April 30th 2019 in Los Angeles. 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Hello I as and I are going to do our best to plow through all of the f8 Announcements a little bit later, but let's start with a few other tech things you should know Okay, an updated Apple support document says its legacy photo editing suite aperture will not run in versions of Mac OS after Mojave The document provides steps to migrate from aperture to Apple's photos app if you want to do that or Adobe Lightroom Classic After two years in beta the Creative Commons search engine is finally official at search dot creative commons org It lets users search for free and public domain content and more than 300 million Images they plan to keep adding those to the images at launch include those from Cleveland Museum of Art Behance deviant art and even a set of CCO 3d designs from Thingiverse and will continue to grow It also hopes to add more than photos in the future including some Creative Commons license text and audio That's very cool valve announced its index VR headset It has a resolution of 1440 by 600 per eye display has a 144 Hertz Refresh refresh rate, excuse me and 130 degree field of view it comes with two knuckles controllers It can be tracked with steam VR tracking sensors the valve index complete package sells for $999 pre-orders start tomorrow for shipping June 28th Yeah, I kind of troll in Facebook with their VR announcements by announcing it on the same day And then tomorrow I know I said this yesterday I met alphabet and now we talked about alphabet earnings We're gonna talk a little more about alphabet earnings now promise you tomorrow We'll talk a little more about Apple earnings, but they're coming out just as we're recording this show And earnings per share beat estimates revenue just a little bit above estimates Apple's gonna raise their dividend and issue a buyback so an Unremarkable Apple earnings report, but always the fun part is when we hear the earnings call a little bit later and find out What Tim Cook and friends have to say let's talk a little more about those alphabet earnings from yesterday Q1 earnings missed expectations The big revenue driver ad sales did grow 17% but that's slower than the 26% it grew a year ago now Smartphones aren't expected to be the main revenue driver for Google, but they Didn't help the problem this quarter CEO Sundar Pachai cited year over year headwinds when talking about the pixel phones and CFO Ruth Porat cited industry-wide pressure on high-end smartphones Now Google is expected to come out with a mid-range phone at Google I.O. on May 7th and Pachai also pointed to the new campus and engineering hub in Taipei that Google obtained from HTC as sort of hope for the phone future and Other hardware actually did okay Porat said that Google is pleased with the momentum of its home devices and overall Google's hardware sales are Growing just not from phones Yeah, one of the things about the Google pixel is that if you don't know that it's available through Google comm of their actual stores You might think it's a Verizon exclusive so a lot of people think oh I can't use a pixel on my network Then that might be hurting them when it comes to sales the design doesn't help I that's my own aesthetic issue with it But I think that's part of the issue of how do you get the phone? And I think that might confuse people well and you know I think a lot of folks are looking at the phone sales because To to their eye if ad sales are finally reaching a slow point which people have been expecting for years We just didn't know when phones might be the thing that makes up the gap except phones are are the problem for every other manufacturer of phones like Successful manufacturers of phones like Samsung and Apple are looking at slowing phone sales and already turning to something else So I would be looking at Google cloud services as a as a place for Google particularly To pick up momentum in the future and alphabets other bets. They're non Google You know made a 176 million and they spent 800 plus million So none of those other bets are starting to churn a profit yet But the hope is that one of those whether it's in health or drones or some other Section those will start to contribute the bottom line at some point But I think there's a little bit of panic right now when we're seeing ad sales Which has been the big dollar turner for Google starting to slow and there's no obvious error apparent to it I'm just thinking when it comes to alphabet there other batches thing did lose a little less money than I think last year still a lot but 170 is better than 150. I think that was the number Samsung Q1 profit was down 60 percent year over year to become its smallest operating profit since 2016 falling chip prices and slowing demand for display panels are the main culprit the semi-conductor division operating profit fell 64 percent Samsung expects chip demand to rise in the second half Server makers should start rebuilding inventories needing DRAM and new smartphone models will use it as well NAND flash memory chip prices are expected to continue to fall but stabilize in the second half a US China trade deal could increase sales in China as well Samsung's mobile business fell 40 percent again though Samsung expects demand for display panels and its own phones to pick up in the second Half led by new models in the low-end Galaxy a series Galaxy a's become very very interesting with I believe a flipping camera on one of them and the first infinity O display on a Samsung device Yeah, they're putting a lot of interesting features in the in that low-end and mid-range because just like Google they know that the high-end phones have those headwinds and They also know that phones are reaching a saturation point So with Samsung particularly they look at their other areas now. We don't get a lot about white goods I assume that that That is a stable part of the the Samsung empire right now our financial services or anything like that But the troubling aspect has been the falling prices for flash memory the the sort of Inventory glut on DRAM the inventory glut on DRAM is definitely going to go away and Potentially that NAND flash memory chip price will stabilize that seems reasonable Display panels picking up They are expecting flexible displays to be used by a lot more phones later this year. I'll be curious to see about that I do think that we will see more display panels sold in the latter half of the year as New phones come out more and more so that's probably just a seasonal thing that would help Samsung I know a lot of people are probably looking at this and saying oh, it's cuz that Samsung Galaxy fold got delayed That really wasn't expected to contribute a lot to their bottom line anyway So I don't think that impacts this at all But they did mention that they'll have more information on that in a couple weeks and they're at least for now I as saying they're continuing to commit to selling the Samsung Galaxy fold one way or another Yeah, there's that rumored from AT&T at least an email I was rolling around saying that the fold will be released on June 13th. Samsung has not confirmed that yet I still think you're right about that just the foldable displays They're gonna make a lot of money selling those to other manufacturers Eventually yeah They seem to think that that could help later this year I'm a little less skeptical about later this year, but but sure but honestly What's gonna turn Samsung around is DRAM and Nan flash memory chips and as a consumer the thing I'm interested in is oh I better get those flash memory chips now while the prices are still falling Versus the second half when they start to stabilize and maybe start to rise again Garmin announced three new forerunner smartwatches the forerunner 45 starting at 199 bucks 42 millimeters or a 45 s, which is 39 millimeters s standing for small that one tracks activity sleep Notifications heart rate monitor GPS has a sun-friendly display and it promises a week long battery life in watch mode Or if you turn on the GPS 13 hours The forerunner 245 is the next model that one adds vo2 max aerobic and anaerobic training effects Pull socks that measures the oxygen absorption in your blood and can get connect to a running dynamics pod or a heart race Chest strap the 245 starts at 299 dollars or starting at 349 dollars You can get the 245 music and that one lets you store up to 500 songs on it and integrates with a few different services like pandora and diesel finally the forerunner 945 can do all the things that all of them can do but holds up to a thousand songs And adds more workout profiles and NFC so you can use Garmin's own Garmin pay It can sort your activity into training categories and this one last two weeks in watch mode I think 24 hours if you turn on GPS For all these watches Garmin connect is adding female health tracking as well as a new female health app And this is for things like tracking menstruation and stuff like that I'm glad you mentioned that you can get these songs via I believe you said Deezer and Pandora because I was thinking does does the modern person know how to take songs and put it offline anymore because that can put your mp3's on the here according to this Release, but but yeah, I mean most people are gonna be like wait. What about my music site? Does that work because that's how I do it. Nobody really I mean fewer people I should say yeah songs than used to I'm looking up see yeah, it's Spotify Pandora and Deezer People are like wait just Pandora and Deezer, but yes no Spotify's on that. Yeah Apple music is not Not just okay, so Bloomberg report that software used on Vodafone's a Huawei equipment in Italy in 2011 and 2012 Allowed telnet access from the internet Vodafone denies the issues could have allowed unauthorized access to its fixed line network There and the issues were resolved at the time Vodafone says it was a failure to remove a diagnostic function after development And there is no evidence of any unauthorized access. There are so many stories about Huawei potentially being a security issue What do you make this? Yeah, this one is Not that you know, I'm not trying to say that the Huawei could never be responsible for a back door Or that you shouldn't guard against that sort of thing I think you should also guard against it with other manufacturers as well But you know, that's just good security. This seems to be a Vodafone issue a Vodafone telnet issue Particularly that they found and fixed before it was exploited Not necessarily Although there's there's a little room for me to be wrong here But not necessarily a Huawei attempt to get into the network And I think some of the the sort of culture of of assuming bad things about Huawei Blew this a little farther out of proportion than is deserved But it's certainly not a good thing And it's certainly embarrassing to Vodafone Although they're saying look we found this in 2011 and 2012 and we fixed it Under current rules. I think they would have had to disclose that I think that's the more interesting thing here is that this didn't bubble up till now Yeah, I mean Huawei has been mired in political issues just in general It's one of the reasons why we can't get some awesome phones in the u.s There's a lot of distrust when it comes to Huawei It's like you said once that name pops up people like wait, what's going on? What's going on? It's like wait, hang on get the whole story and look look You know, I'll take this opportunity to say I won't be shocked the day Someone finds out that Huawei had planted a backdoor on one of their routers Cisco Planet a backdoor on one of the routers. Why wouldn't Huawei? But I do hasten to add to people that no one's found one yet There are ways to guard against that sort of thing and detect it There are ways to get around detection. It's an arms race But it's an arms race for multiple countries and multiple vendors So I don't like to jump to the conclusion that just because it has Huawei on the name That it is fundamentally insecure, but I'm also keeping my eyes open for that day that somebody does Discover something for real Unlike what Bloomberg reported where they said there was a backdoor being built into the hardware and then could never get any confirmation of that On a different manufacturer Well, political notes that uber and lyft have both stopped accepting new drivers in new york city starting at the beginning of april In december the new york city council passed rules that require ride-hailing companies to pay their drivers an effective rate Of 17 dollars and 22 cents an hour after expenses And that includes their idle time not just the time they have passengers actually in the car now That results in the companies having to pay more money The more time that cars are on the streets between passengers So one way to keep your costs down is to limit the number of cars that are out there Now this rule comes a few months after an actual cap On the number of vehicles that uber or lyft can have on the roads picking up passengers at any time So that was already putting a little pressure on it But it's more about this cost per hour that is causing uber and lyft to reduce their fleet even more by saying You know what? We're not going to accept any new drivers because that'll just that the Every driver costs us even more because that's a driver that potentially might be sitting around waiting for a passenger and under this rule We have to pay them more So we want to have fewer cars out there. So they're spending their time picking up passengers more often than not I mean a good way for the drivers is never a bad thing and honestly, I live in New York City So having fewer vehicles out there when you're when you're trying to do anything is not necessarily a bad thing either And if there's a limit to how many vehicles we have on the road people might use mass transit some more So we have a lot less congestion This is an interesting modern problem to have that we have so much of a saturation of so many different Ride hailing services. We've got uber. We've got lyft. We've got things one is called jet and there's like via There's they're all out here. So they're all competing for the same physical space. So it's a very strange new world Yeah, I I think they're especially in a place like New York on the yellow cabs Yeah, exactly and and I think there's some apps that you can even get the yellow cabs with In Manhattan, you probably don't need that Especially if you're look like is does he just wave and they stop for you But but you know, I'm just saying you're pretty that's why but the The idea that that you would have to limit the number I think means that in a place like New York City, you might have to do some efficiency management You might have to to have an ombudsman that that Balances this out among the different ride hailing companies. Are you not worried that? It would reduce your ability to get an uber or a lyft Uh currently since this rules have been in place since April. It's what April 30th I've not noticed anything anecdotally. Everything's been pretty much the same But it should take more than a month to suss out imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Oh and uh gpeg points out that the app is called kerb I think there's more than one but kerb is one of the one there's kerb. There's get another one Yeah Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, facebook f8 lots of stuff announced particularly about facebook But let's start with the vr announcements. We mentioned earlier that that valve sort of Decided to come out with their vr announcement on the same day. Here's what oculus announced Uh, the oculus rift s is the new version of the rift not the rift 2 and because it's an s It's kind of a a talk Release not not not a big generation. This one was built by lenovo It does have insight tracking Meaning it's easier to set up and maintain and to be honest that seems to be the big selling point for the rift s The rift s is sold as hey you plug it into your machine So it's a little more powerful than say the oculus go or the oculus quest, which we're going to talk about in a second But you don't have to set up all those sensors around your house Same guardian boundary, uh as the quest so it'll tell you when you're reaching the edge Of your safe space by changing your view to see outside so you can see what you're about to run into It does not have adjustable displays. It does not have built-in headphones Although it does have better resolution than the previous oculus rift However, they switched to lcd for this not oled The oculus quest. I think is the more compelling one here This one does not require a connection to a pc It provides total freedom of movement unlike the oculus go where you're supposed to be sitting this one You can walk around with and it switches to that outside view if you walk outside of your safe space Runs on a snapdragon 835, which if you're keeping track, that's what they had in the galaxy s8 more of a screen door effect than the oculus go according to the tech crunch review and Facebook says two hours of heavy gaming three hours of media watching on the battery life of the oculus quest because It's mobile. Yeah, so you have to plug it in charge between uses Both of these are available for pre-order right now for $399 shipping may 21st Yeah, the pricing was really interesting because it seems like I mean vr is usually a huge investment if you want to have a good experience You need to have like the htc vibe has these external sensors You've got to be able to set them up in your room You can have a lot of space if you've got these cameras on the front of these devices Perhaps they would allow a smaller space experience for vr I've seen that scott stein explained the quest as pretty much the like the nintendo switch of vr Put it on and you go and i'm like that is a really great analogy because it's You want something that doesn't require you to clip on your phone to a mask You don't want to have to worry about separate parts. You want to be able to work with your devices but it's it's a It's a big proposition because I believe he said that it's not Automatic that everything that ran an oculus before will run on the go not sorry on the quest And because of that that's kind of can be irritating hopefully facebook will announce Yes, everything that ran on any other oculus will run on this But it's a 399 they're they're getting close to the point where it's like Oh That i'll give it a shot instead of going are you nuts? Yeah, yeah, uh, I think right now there's like 50 titles for the oculus quest. So It's it's got a lot of things adapted, but I think it does require the games to be adapted Now moving on to the rest of f8 mark zuckerberg came out and said I believe the future is private This is the next chapter for our services and he's calling it fb 5 the fifth version of facebook There have been five different reasons for facebook now privacy is the new one They hammered this throughout zuckerberg speech throughout all the presentations today privacy privacy was the message of the day The facebook app Gets the major redesign getting rid of the blue bar at the top Uh and trying to feature groups and stories more prominently that's their focus on making it not just the town square But also a living room somewhere where you can talk to people and keep it private They're adding a meet friends feature as well. We'll talk about that in a second So your stories will now be at the top of your feed. Those are people you know Uh and their stories rather than news. They're really deemphasizing the news feed Users can now post to groups directly from the home page. They don't have to go to the group page to post Groups are also given prominence on the left hand sidebar on the desktop and in a tab added to the home page on the app New tools are being added to specialized types of groups. For instance, if you're in a health care app You can ask to have an admin post on your behalf to keep you anonymous Uh, there are templates for posting job adverts in the job groups There's some video game stuff that's specialized Marketplace is now going to give people the ability to pay and ship Directly from within marketplace you can choose all of that stuff without having to do it separately And the meet new friends option is an opt-in way To message strangers from groups or companies that you share a common interest in both of you have to opt in to say Yeah, I'm open to meet new friends. Uh, and then you can make some direct connections The mobile app changes are available now And the desktop changes will roll out over the next few months Uh also facebook dating is launching in 14 more countries. It's now in a total of 19 countries It started in columbia, uh, and now it's slowly spreading They said it will come to the united states later this year and they're adding the secret crush feature Which is essentially meet new friends, but for dating Uh, so the secret crush feature lets you select up to nine friends You can only swap swap out one a day So you can't just keep spamming it and get more than nine friends. They want to keep it limited Uh, and you could say if they're interested in me too Then let us know if they also express interest in you you'll be matched And if not, no one need ever know you added them to your secret crush list Uh, so these are these are the new big things in facebook. Ayaz. What do you think? Well, I think the app getting a redesign is always a pleasant change because you need that Visual refresh to get you to understand that this is slightly different just hearing mark zuckerberg Pound on privacy was very strange at first and even he made some jokes about Facebook not having the best reputation For privacy, so I like the fact that at least he's self-aware or at least somebody told him to be self-aware So it was required him to be self-aware Somebody reprogrammed him. Uh, so that was pretty cool. The dating stuff I think they probably just want people to use that as much as they can so when I add in this kind of What's the word safe way to do it? So you don't feel too embarrassed They kept saying again and again people won't see if you're interested in them So you don't have to worry about embarrassing yourself So it's kind of a nice little thing there the emphasis on stories I could I'd see that being a positive because Why not change the feed because who's using it because I know when I see people using facebook these days I'm like, why are you using that because I barely use it at this point But I think this visual refresh might make people think of it slightly differently assuming they actually go full on with their privacy Initiative. Yeah, I'm not a big user of facebook So I can't speak from experience But I do like the idea that groups which is actually one of the few things I do use Should have a better prominence in the main feed because that's where you're talking to people You actually know and want to interact with More often they talked a lot in case you're wondering they talked a lot about cracking down on malicious actors and all of that But we feel like we covered that regularly and they didn't say anything particularly new today But they did emphasize that today. I also want to talk about messenger Project lightspeed is a rebuilt version of messenger that is 30 megabytes So it's about two-thirds smaller than the current app But doesn't lose any functionality and they say it'll launch in less than two seconds facebook says this will take time to roll out But by the end of the year, they hope everybody gets it Messenger desktop apps were also announced for windows and mac os with full functionality coming this autumn So these aren't like whatsapp where they're mirroring your phone These would be independent apps for your desktop also in the offing is a space within messengers for close friends Where you can share stories And even share status including emojis as a way for messenger to just tell people like oh, hey He's not doing anything right now. Maybe i'll message them and hang out with them Also, there's a place where users can watch videos together within messenger They're trying to make messenger that living room that private social networks. That'll be interesting to watch I don't know how many people want social network in the messenger, but it has worked for things like we chat So it's not a bad bet and facebook promises It will eventually make messenger end to end encrypted by default though They didn't say when a couple of developer things to add here messenger for devs Has added the ability to develop appointment booking and lead generation chatbot templates provide customer service to verified customers through authenticated m.me links and they promise that integrated chat across facebook messenger Facebook instagram and whatsapp will come someday although they didn't tell us one I really like the idea of the interoperability having okay, if I have a friend on whatsapp I have a friend on instagram. They might not be both on both places. So if you had one place or one Access point it'd be very useful considering this company owns all of these things It seems like it should have been there a while ago But I know people were resistant to the idea of integrating these things together Unless they had the best of all the worlds and whatsapp had the end to end encryption That seems to be something that people stick to so hopefully Messenger will get better with that and so will instagram and everybody else so you can have this one A portal that's a bad word for that, but one spot. We'll get the portal at a second here You know the only thing that annoys me about that is they talk about interoperability is important We don't want you to have to think about which uh, which message app somebody's on You should just be able to get in contact with them, but these are all just facebook apps I mean it's interoperability within facebook Well, I mean that's that's better than a lot of other companies like well this thing doesn't talk to that thing They should oh if it's one company. Maybe they should actually work together. I'll give you that. It's a good start instagram is going to test hiding the public light count on your photos and videos so you'd see it But no one else would see it. This test is only going to be done in canada It'll affect the main feed permalink pages and profiles Also, everybody for instagram getting a new feature called nudges that'll let you know if you're sending a little too aggressive A little too hostile just nudge you won't ban you won't delete your comment It'll just say hey, I don't want to think about that settle down. Mr A new way a new away mode that will give you options if you're going through a sensitive time I don't really want to say what's happening celebrities can now offer things for sales Not just brands without leaving instagram if you want to buy what is is wearing I assume that you're a celebrity enough that this you'll be part of the program Uh donation stickers for charities in the united states is coming and a new camera design coming in a few weeks with rearrange features Just to make stuff easier to get to No, that sounds nice Yeah No, I mean when it comes to instagram I like being able to post things every now and then the nudging thing sounds interesting I don't really know much about bullying on instagram So maybe this is something that's really necessary But I haven't experienced it nor have I seen much on it. So when it comes to instagram, I'm kind of a Um, it's at arm's length. Yeah, these all sound pretty good. I devil's in the details on something like nudge You know in public comments some some phrases may be acceptable between some people and not others And real quickly facebook portal that is the uh assistant the video assistant from facebook will soon support end-to-end encryption And therefore what's that video calls A portal mobile app is coming in the next few weeks to make it easier to manage the settings And it'll be available in more countries soon with sales beginning in canada in june and a bunch of european countries this autumn So there you go. That's what's happening with facebook. Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and facebook dot com Slash groups slash daily tech news show And let's check in real quickly with nate lengths and over across the pond. What's going on nate Well, thank you guys Now who wants to hear a british lawmaker shouted executives from twitter google and facebook during an evidence gathering session in london this week If the answer is one of you Then i strongly recommend this week's episode of text message in which you'll not only hear the aforementioned anger But also a good deal of explanation from me about where the rage came from And why these companies were giving evidence in britain in the first place All that and more is on episode one six six of text message available very easily at tech podcast dot uk very apropos when facebook is making announcements Go check that out if you haven't yet And uh, go check out what aya's actor has been doing aya's what's going on with you these days All right, lots of things google ios coming up next week I'll be at io We'll be covering it for my show called alphabet city which you can watch on youtube.com slash cnet Or you can go to cnet.com and find it there The comment section you wouldn't believe this on youtube is fantastic if you actually want to be a part of that community Let us know we'll put up your Messages on comment cove which is a section on our show called alphabet city So definitely watch that and of course there's top five dot cnet dot com Which uh, you might see, you know if you go back far enough you might see somebody else on it Uh, yeah, I you know, I still do top fives. 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Please update your urban dictionaries people And we even got the uh the apple earnings in there. Thank you roger Yeah, they came on What exactly happened to that? Uh, they they beat expectations by a little bit. Yeah, but are people freaking out or they're like iPhone sales continue to drop services keep growing Uh apple stock after hours trading up five percent So no people aren't freaking out. It's actually They're doing well Here at wall street journal. Here's this is what I love, right? Uh, okay, so Apple stock jumps five percent after beating expectations. Uh says tech crunch Uh apple optimistic on sales as iphone price cuts help in china says roiders apple post declines in profit revenue as iphone sales falls 17 wall street journal No, that's not like a cnet one. Uh apple stock spikes after reporting strong guidance and earnings beat says cnbc Apple services are making more money than ever Oh, yeah, because they had like nothing. Yeah, I know it's hard to You mean it's better than than then mobile me Uh, yeah, the company is keenly aware that it must grow its services Apple saw its services businesses rise to 11.5 billion this quarter Up from Uh, I don't know They didn't say eight dollars. That's good Very good Oh Okay Let's see. What is what does tech crunch have to say here conny loisos? Apple released earnings revenue of 58 billion decline of five percent from a year ago. They expected that So it wasn't as bad Uh earnings also in line with guidance The company did not break out iphone sales Uh instead ceo tim cook tried focusing attention on other aspects of the company's business Our march quarter results show the continued strength of our installed base of over 1.4 billion active devices as we set an all-time record for services And the strong momentum of our wearables home and accessories category which set a new march record We delivered our strongest ipad growth in six years also not hard Uh, and we are as excited as ever about our pipeline of innovative hardware software and services. We're looking forward to sharing more and blah, blah, blah, blah And we've had unprecedented growth in the opera section Number of operas has risen a hundred percent year over year And like you said, they're in a billion pockets y'all and that was the end of it Apple had a tough 2018 iphone sales in the last quarter of the year fell 15 percent That's that's q4 though Apple Oh, thank you, uh, we've had to put the uh six colors graphic from jason snel up And well the more mature mac desktop and laptop business has posted a 4.5 percent revenue drop to 5.5 billion dollars just still making billions of dollars on max that's impressive Because anything they don't seem to care about them wearables still rising Uh up from up to 5.1 million from 3.8 million last year 54 of the revenue came from iphone 20 from services 10 from mac 9 from wearables 8 from ipad Yeah, yeah China grew europe fell america fell China grew though that's big so they're gonna have to see what they do with I don't know this won't be this quarter it'll be next quarter services revenue is 10.8 million up from 8.9 million because they're gonna have apple tv plus The end of the end of this year And then they've got What else is coming? Uh, probably new equipment right new ipads new iphone's I'm just thinking the services side news that news plus things out now right and news plus is already out Okay, that's one and tv plus is coming That's as well as the as well as the other tv like channels thing Right because they'll have revenue from the subscription fees paid through or their cut On that so that'll help but that's not until this Like the fourth quarter well of this year, but I don't know what the fiscal quarter is Second fiscal second quarter so that'd be yeah fourth quarter Because next quarter. I don't know what they would have Well, they'll have w w dc next quarter, but Oh, yeah, right That'll just be operating system stuff. I mostly they rarely do hardware macOS is going to break all your favorite apps including aperture And that's like aperture they'd already said they were already saying they were switching you from aperture to photos So that was expected And they did you don't have to like it, but they they told people they were doing that a while ago That's too bad for the 12 people using aperture. I know it's very sad A lot of people were were sad that they were they were going to get rid of aperture Well, it's actually it was a very powerful piece of software Which apple does not seem to be too interested in these days. They're like everyone should be able to use our stuff so if you're An expert forget you I just got a press release that said will passwords be obsolete in five years To which I said, I hope so I don't think you or I know you can't get rid of them because if anything fails you still need a backup Yeah, right Like your fingers wet your fingers wet your eyes cloudy you might you might have cataracts, but we can't let you in the phone Sorry. Yeah, you broke your nose You could you can have non password ways around that but sure like a security key. Maybe I guess And I see implant plants. I think that's a key Yeah Okay, oh, yeah, this feels like a fairly Hum drum App Given the fact that apple already told us they were going to lose They were going to go down year over year. It feels like unsurprising. I shouldn't say hum. No, I'm surprised I wonder how this compares to the original Forecast because I know that if they lowered the expectations. What was the original one to compare this to? Yeah, because I wonder if their earning per share was equal to or more than their original I mean the other services they have would be growing apple music would be growing iCloud um I I want to say they need to get into enterprise services for cloud but also Feel like that's not right for them. I don't know I mean iCloud could grow because they're not have they beefed up the phone yet in in um storage Is that 256 max? Yeah, that's 256 still. Yeah, and still shooting 4k and live photos Maybe you'll use that. I don't know yeah, the the uh The china they china was what they revised the most when they did the revised guidance and china ended up being better than expected so I bet if they hadn't revised it it would have not looked very good Okay pages in category apple ink services app store App store mac os tv os ios apple arcade apple books apple card Oh apple Apple certification The card is going to be interesting cards just printing money like Because they're basically just having golden sacks run a credit card for them And uh, and then they get to rake in rent Apple pay apple push notification service apple services apple store really apple stores part of this. I guess so Yeah, because of subscriptions and stuff. I think beats one, you know, the thing everyone uses beats music Um shazam the application not the movie Yeah, do they make money off shazam? I don't know I was thinking about that too game game center But game centers in arcade. I think are like the same genius bar Oh, that's in services not retail According to this is just a wikipedia list of pages and apple ink services. Okay. Yeah, it's in there genius bar game center uh Apple developer stuff. I mean if they Yeah, developer services would fall in that. I don't I don't think that's a high growth area right now, but Yeah, I think all their stores are probably still The tvos store should grow with the channels apple news plus The apple news regular You know what I use apple news plus for and i'm not sure if i'm gonna cancel it before that it's about to You know renew here shortly for me um Is uh reading billboard magazine That's kind of what I use it for That also comes with the journal and I mean it does and it does it like it comes with articles from The journal, but I can't just read the journal Oh, I have to go find the articles from the journal and read those which they have a little section and everything But it's not the same as getting the entire Journal and the la times I actually use the la times app all the time I don't seem to ever see any la times articles in my news plus. Maybe i'm not looking hard enough. I don't know See who's in this entirely? What's the list? All right, this was texture right right right forgot about that Hot 100 sam smith and normanie in the top 10 I know some of those words old town road is number one again seven weeks on the charts Man sunflower by post malone and sway lee is still on the charts 26 weeks. It's quite a rain hundred magazines Yeah, I get scientific american which is in news plus, but I again prefer to read it in print form because i'm An iconoclast sometimes Just used to it. Maybe you just need a higher red screen mdta uk says build and google io are next week. So get ready for more focused episodes of dts It's true They will be more dominated like that similar to today Or maybe maybe it's the our cameras are blurry today Oh, is that what you're trying to say? It's possible I apologize. I'm always out of focus. It's like Well, it's three hours later there. So it's five o'clock for ias Yes, the five o'clock shadow makes me fuzzier than normal Let's see This is not I'm trying to read an article and it's like no you want to watch it you want to read by game of thrones like no No, no, I just want to see about it.  I need I I don't use news plus, right? I Had to go to support to get my subscription to work too. It's weird. I just want to know what's in it But it must be an apple's page, right? So it's like, okay wired the future of transportation new issue of runners I don't read that. I don't know why you're showing me that Uh, number one reason to run every day your health jordan killing brands now want to sell you germs. That sounds like clickbait Uh, hollywood reporter. Okay. Yeah, I could probably read that because I do read that for cord killers quite a bit Um, new yorker don't care wall street journal in louisiana a fight against cauliflower rice Lawmakers in rice growing states are moving to prohibit companies from using the rice label and products that lack actual rice Right like and then milk too. Why was it okay? Let's just do this Uh, my workout. I don't care. I know the cars. No, you don't know you got vogue National geographic people l Yeah, essence just don't find it that compelling Essence or uh, well Well, he said essence. I assume he there's both essence and elders entertainment weekly ESPN the magazine food and wine good housekeeping. I like good housekeeping by the way they're getting rid of ESPN magazine They are in an ounce today. Yeah, they're gonna retire ESPN magazine Retire the number print or the whole thing that number They just sent people a postcard to let to hang up Rolling stones on this Yeah, that's that's the thing that still exists Hey, I think I could interviews Vulture the cut and grub street. I don't know what that is Well, maybe we'll figure it out, uh, but video folks, that's it. We're done. We're closing down for the day Thanks for watching audio Please stick around there is in fact more to come