Welcome to a new episode of the fix. It's a new year and guess what? We have a new Tory cabinet Michael So we had a reshuffle. It's not very new.  We haven't said happy new year. Happy new year Happy 2018. What's gonna happen this year Michael? Before we get into the real business end of things. What's gonna happen this year? Oh, I think we'll get one year closer to socialism But I'm not sure we'll achieve it before 2019 Okay, pessimist. What do you think? I have a I mean, I think we need to talk an election into happening I'm a big I'm a big believer in making things happen. We need to make an election happen The strongest theory I heard for they're gonna be an election. We'll do this very quickly is That even though it's completely irrational for the Tories to call an election because why would you call an election that you might lose? When you've got three years left or four years left of the Parliament or whatever is if The her cabinet just can't help themselves, you know, they know it's sort of like a really bad time for the conservative parties to rebel and completely Tip the whole thing up, but they just can't help it like with the the coup of Jeremy Corbyn Like it wasn't a good time for the moderates to attack But they just couldn't resist it any longer And so I think the only reason we might get an election is if like, you know Boris Johnson just blows his load Sort of before it makes after breakfast possible, right?  I don't know. Anyway, anyway, the reshuffle the reshuffle the reshambles Go on Well, to be honest, it wasn't that event for we haven't had many big players move because Theresa May isn't in a strong enough position To move any big players because why do we have the reshuffle? Well partly Because Oh Damien Green had to go right from Wank gate So she had to work to work Wank to work David Davis you sell out. You said you'd resign You've let down you've let down Wankers at work everywhere. How can we trust a Brexit? So no no integrity exactly if that I'll tell you what if I'm watching Deputy Prime Minister If that was for Raj or Corbyn He would have resigned because you know, they're people of their word exactly. They're you know, they're they're value politicians Anyway, yeah, none of the big dogs have gone Boris Johnson hasn't gone despite Keeping I always forget her name Nazanin Zagari ratcliffe. That's right in an Iranian jail Yeah, screwing up in Parliament and saying she was a journalist when she was claiming to have been on holiday Obviously, we don't know which of which of these is she's with her grand She was with her daughter and she might have mom and I mean Whatever the day started shambolicly when the conservatives announced that Chris Grayling would be becoming party chairman This turned out to be a big mistake and was deleted 27 seconds later. So that's how the day started We then moved on to some minor minor changes minor positions Which probably won't be that important for the governing of the country But it's always a good opportunity to look through what weirdos the Tory party wait. So we're doing all of this just because Damien Green Wanked at work. We're doing this because they hold days news cycle has been determined by one man's porn addiction Yeah Well, apparently also she wanted to get rid of justine greening because justine greening doesn't like grammar schools And apparently justine greening goes on in cabinet Okay, this is so justine greening as well as the big justine greening has also finally gone Right after two hours of arguing the case that she didn't want to go she didn't want to go and Jeremy Hunt apparently argued for about an hour So he gets to stay as health secretary to finish the job and completely privatize our NHS and burn it to the ground Anyway, some some weird promotions we had today or promotions to motions. They moved anyway The new Tory party chairman is Brandon Lewis. No matter what he used to be the housing minister And when he was he urged against including sprinklers in fire safety rules as it could discourage property developers from building homes I mean, where do you draw the line, right? Where do you draw the central heating plumbing windows insulation? I mean, where do you lock on the doors? Look, we my Mike and I were talking about this We've actually got a radical innovative new solution to deal with Britain's housing crisis You just put up loads of tents and you know, we will put them on millions of housing units The key bit that the genius of it is is we don't put up the tents All right, what we do is well, we're not the government what we do is the state is we invite private businesses Okay, I think they want right and they can charge can be flammable tarpaulin. They can charge whatever they want to live Yeah, yeah, which might be quite Hi, I suppose if you don't get moved on the housing crisis. Yeah So that's our new Tory party chairman. The new vice-chair for policy is Chris Skidmore. All right, Ronan So in 2012 he said in defense of Tory policy at the time and which continues now Cuts aren't so bad as people aren't lying dead in the street Which is nice and comforting from I don't know what his job was at the time then anyway.  They're lying dead at home waiting for ambulances to take five hours to get there They're dying pretty much everywhere Chris. Congratulations. You've out exceeded expectations.  He was in a weird-ass band when he was at university After the Queen Mother died they sung songs about sodomizing the Queen Mother to death Not very conservative really. That's not, you know, it's not appealing to your base. Is it worse than whatever? I'm a dank code ever said about the Royals. They also had songs entitled. I've got a big willy women are crap and I'm glad I'm not obese I'm not I'm not so into ruining people's career because whatever they did at the age of 21 But I mean this isn't even funny. This is just like They practice they practice they wrote and practiced and performed these songs. It's not like it's not like an off cuff Yeah, we all say something silly on Twitter.  Oh That is very unlike Theresa May the pro you know consummate politician that she is What was the first story? Oh, right? 2018 that's true. That's true. You one minute past minute. You've pulled me up. You've got me We've got the new office for students Which was announced the beginning of the month like you said the beginning of the year Which is set to be a regulator off-com style regulator of an increasingly privatized higher education in England and Wales not Scotland and Toby Young was one of the people on its kind of Committee board whatever the fuck is from a range of backgrounds including private enterprise free schools private enterprise private sector Lobbying and law right and one random student as a student rep So the office for students has one student on it who has you know, they haven't asked anyone from the NUS Nobody elected anyone. She's not elected. Just got no mandate student on the press release. It just says comma From Surrey University. What can you do? Anyway, Toby Young? I mean, so that's because we could talk about the the body that would mean that we were actually, you know Engaging in serious political analysis instead.  We'll do some serious analysis at the end. But in a way Tories being From a weird Creepy section of society. I think is telling in a way I think that can tell us something about politics really anyway, let's go on to Toby Young Well, they've only got we haven't actually got the graphic for this, but they've only got 70,000 members now Yeah, very when you have to be fucking weird to be a Tory party number 65,000 of them 5,000 of them still members by accident paper members joined six 60 years ago. They're in a coma. All right, Toby Young Tell me about Toby Young. What is credentials? He started free schools, right? Well, he initially he was saying that he tried for a PhD He taught in higher education. He've been a Kennedy Fulbright school all this stuff So he's got credentials. He went to Oxford then he taught these American He taught his dad his dad got him into Oxford, right? So that doesn't count. Okay He was rejected from the college his dad said his dad by the way. He wrote the 1945 labor manifesto outstanding social science is called Michael Young and He said I'll talk to the chap. I'll get you in and he got him in So, no, I mean his oxford credentials don't really that doesn't count But then he went on to do a PhD. He went on no, no, he didn't he didn't complete the PhD I didn't complete the PhD Was he going on to more important? No, I just think he just pulled out and then he started writing for I think Vanity Fair in the United States will go on to some of the right pieces later But he did start a free school. Yes, that is true. He did start a free one I think I think that's about just about his only credential really is free schools Which he later said were very difficult to actually run turns out. It's not easy to run a school It's not as easy as you think and then more recently actually we should we should talk about this candles But remember before we do that. Okay. He was also the director of the new schools network Which is basically about importing the US charter school system over the UK And he was earning We think around 90 to 100 grand a year So this is a man who has taken they've already they've already found out about the cocaine Aaron. Oh That's coming. That's coming. That's coming That's coming. That's coming. So he was on a hundred grand a year He had money from the state sectors from the states basically start his shitty free schools He got into a world-class university because of his father Basically, this man has been taking state handouts his entire life. He calls himself a classical liberal Toby young you've been suckling at the teat like a Parasitic tick for too long my friend and you want a minimal state.  Anyway, let's talk about the goss Because that's more important. You've got the first bit of goss. I have got the first bit of goss Should we should we start with the goss? Okay, so people might be saying typical left Moral panic, you know, you're taking it too far. Just a couple of errant tweets. We all do it hold up Toby young has admitted to being a drug dealer. He's admitted to selling drugs. Okay in a 2001 piece after he'd been thrown out of the this is madness. He's a drug dealer. He was writing for God knows where he'd been thrown out of the grout show and in Soho wasn't allowed to be a member anymore He documented this he said my crime was to write about a cocaine taking incident my crime Alleged crime. Yes.   You get a prison. Yeah I mean, it's also important to remember that he's not he's not a student when he does this It's not just a bit of he's in his 40s and 40s at this point. He's 40s then but yeah early 40s late 30s Besides being a drug dealer. What are that? What are?  So we're gonna have to remember what some of them were We've got Well, basically, I think the evening stand talks about it quite well They said he had an obsession with commenting on the anatomy of women in the public arm So he's watched a lot of plays and said that the various actresses have great tits That was a theater of you. That was a theater. He said that the breasts of an actress in it in a play She wasn't a day over right now Danny Boyle's wife's got huge knockers. By the way, that was Danny Boyle's daughter who at the time was a minor. Oh She was a minor. She was a kid Not good. Right the next one in hotel room. Go on. Let's get that back back back for us to see In hotel room with five months pregnant. Oh Here we go Five months pregnant Padma her boobs are massive be careful what you wish with this Padma Lakshmi former wife of Salmon Rushdie. I mean just stop.    He was a 20 year old. Yeah, and now he's in You know a position of public and they're completely Obsessive compulsive. He also called George Clooney queer as a coot. I think somebody's jealous Who's not come on?  All right, the stories get worse than tweets Let's see his next Prank so Okay, so it's not a prank drug dealing drugs obviously criminal offense I think drugs should be decriminalized, but I think when we talk about I'm not a big fan of privilege The whole discourse around privilege white privilege class privilege But a white guy that's literally writing about selling drugs and being paid for the article that's privileged, right? So that was a criminal offense the other criminal offense is when he pretended to be a woman In order to make out with lesbians and again He planned to write about it now. This is pre-meditated sexual assault, and I'm not making this up He says here the line is the plan was to approach gorgeous young lesbians draw them into my confidence Then make out with them on the dance floor So again, this is another criminal act, you know sort of acts and he's writing about it I mean he should he should be in a Custody sweet. He should be in a prison. He shouldn't be overseeing free speech on campuses. All right. We're getting on to the eugenics So he had a campaign Against inclusion in schools so inclusion in schools is about making schools Welcoming to children of with different needs and different abilities different, you know different backgrounds I'm for it is to work in the special needs department Positive step in schools. He's not into it. So let's go for his What he's written about it here. So inclusive It's one of those ghastly political correct words that have survived the demise of new labor schools have got to be Inclusive these days air quotes. Yeah, air quotes. That means wheelchair ramp The complete works of Alice Walker in the library school in the school library They're no Mark Twain in a special education's needs department that can cope with everything from dyslexia. Imagine a school that can deal with dyslexia What? You can't read this is a school.  That's it. You're in a wheelchair. Just stay outside. What do you expect us to do? Build a ramp. Do you want doors? Build a ramp for you? You want clean drinking water in a school? The expectations you want lunch? I think there's two things that are going on here. Toby. This isn't a place for children. He's confusing political correctness for the law and prisons for schools Right, I mean, it's a few sort of category errors which are going on here, right? Anyway, it gets a little bit worse if Gove is serious about wanting to bring back O-levels The government will have to repeal the Equality Act because any exam that isn't accessible to a functionally illiterate troglodyte with a mental age of six will be judged to be elitist and therefore forbidden by Harman's law I'm guessing that's Harriet Harman. That's right So he's talking about kids with special needs as being functionally illiterate troglodytes to mental age of six Yeah, I mean this is batshit and his solution is to separate them from from normal kids Well presumably not even to educate them presumably What does he put them in? What do you do with them? I don't know. Whatever.  I mean he's let's be honest. That's the kind of person this man is I mean his argument is that yet by not by not Abandoning anyone with any special need or extra need we're dragging down the rest of people.  I've got it written down. I'm gonna go on. I'm gonna guess the different 282 times He's changed his own Wikipedia He cares about his public image so much the man who talks about doing Padma Lakshmi up there or talking about miners You know body parts. He's changed on Wikipedia article 282 times All right, we've we've talked for a long time about Toby Young because there's a lot of content He's still there. He's still there. Well, we're gonna look at I think now Theresa May's very Hold on one second. So Theresa May this weekend on the Andrew Ma had a very strong Theresa May like response lots of integrity and Some real leadership shown So we'll get that up when we can obviously we've also had Boris Johnson defend him to the hilt He called it a caustic witch which is exactly what we need to govern our universities Ridiculous outcry of a Toby young he will bring independence Rigor and oh stick wit. We don't have the video. So we're gonna have to act it out.  Do you think it was the what she says is I? Have to admit Andrew. I wasn't I wasn't at all impressed with the tweets.   We've been in negotiations about his horse to quit That's too much Anyway, we should talk about the serious issues that are going on in Britain because whilst this game of musical chairs between Britain's biggest creeps continues the NHS is in absolute crisis and there is Only one bunch of people to blame which is the Tory party and to be honest That's you knew labor because of the PFI's which are sort of crushing the NHS a bit at least they funded it well So performance. I mean all the metrics were good, right? Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't sustainable, but the metrics were good at the time. So we've got a couple of stories. So Oh Turn the page. Sorry about that. Oh, it's like a new year. It's like a new year's turning the page. Oh, here we go This is the big one right all non-urgent operations cancelled in NHS hospitals usually this far because I've lost my bit of paper You wrote it. I wrote it. Yeah, but now I don't have it. Well, I mean that's quite big So I think I could not they call it a non-elective surgery don't make it was non-urgent stuff Yeah, the weighting list I think is in excess of four million at the moment for me. I mean, it's just incredible But it's called non-urgent, but it could be Incredibly key to your life. Yeah, you might hip operation. This is people who might not be able to move Yeah, it's it might people that stuck on their couch They're not gonna die because they haven't got their hip operation, but it is really gonna but they can't have money They might be depressed whatever Theresa may try to claim that it wasn't that much of a crisis because at least they cancelled them in advance So she's saying she's saying a crisis You know it would have been if people had turned up to hospital if they'd come into hospital with their fucked up hip and then We told them to go back home But at least we've given everyone in Britain everyone in Britain Advance not actually if you were on the first of January, you didn't get any advice We give it everyone of us that if you had an operation 50,000 people had an operation for January which you imagine Theresa may she's like she'll phone up her boss You know she's like meant to be working at ten minutes time and she's like hello I can't make it in to work for the next six weeks. Okay. Thank you. But I'm gonna go. Yes. I'm quite a model employee I did give them warning But it does get so well, I mean this is is anyone's Operations getting cancelled is incredibly serious. That's gonna really negatively impact and it's accumulating right? It's getting worse every year, but it is also killing people Yes, so we heard on the weekend that a woman in Essex over and pensioner 81 years old Had called an ambulance because she had pains in her chest Yeah, and the ambulance took three and three-quarters of an hour to get there Yeah, she was dead by the time the ambulance got there that doesn't need to happen in Britain I mean there's there's there's targets around ambulance waiting times And I don't think they've been met for about the best part of three years every single month that's failing and We can talk about PFI and new labor, but that never happened with labor and in instances like this that means something Yeah, so not drawn equivalence to the Tories and labor because this 81 year old lady She would have had an ambulance. She may have lived exactly. So no, I do have oh look. I found it go on Michael. Sorry about that So whenever Jeremy Hunt or Theresa May are confronted with these kind of facts on the television What they'll say is they'll try and make it sound like a natural disaster They'll try and say we do have an aging population act of God, right? It's an act of God and we're dealing with it And it's very difficult and we have put an extra one billion pounds in blah blah blah blah after Jeremy Hunt went on Channel 4 for this For an interview when the operations were first cancelled the channel 4 did quite a good bit of journalism afterwards Which was to fact-check everything he'd said so he was saying we've We're seeing more people under four hours That's partly true, but it turns out that The amount of people who aren't being seen in four hours has gone up Dramatic that's because demand has gone up. It's because there's more people. Yeah, so in the first three months of 2010 So that was when the last time labor in government a hundred thousand patients waited over four hours in A&E That's now gone up to 700,000 so that's an increase of 600% Well, it's 700% Well, if it goes up to 200,000 that's 100% Anyway, it's got up seven times. It's gone up by seven and Never question my math Populations don't age that quickly. This is not a natural disaster It's gone up gradually year after year after year and it's peaking. Well, it's not necessarily peaking it might go higher and higher It's that 700,000 people Waiting that much waiting that period of waiting over four hours There used to be a target to be seen within four hours that used to be that 95 It used to be that 98% of people were seen within four hours Which again new labor kept they kept a pretty solid 98% of people when you went to A&E you'd be seen within four hours What the Tory party did was first of all, they said oh, this is a little bit too ambitious Let's put it down to 95% so they changed the goalpost in 2012 to 95% and they have Spectacularly missed that changed goalpost and it is now 85% so only 85% of people are seen within four hours And all of this is happening while we see record levels of nurses leaving the profession We there are a bunch of we should do some stuff on this actually mental health issues They're saying they're suffering mental health problems Anxiety and it goes right from the bottom to the top so even you know junior doctors We don't need to go into that, you know huge grievances there So I mean on every measure in terms of it's another thing that drives me crazy They're destroying this thing Jeremy Hunt when he goes on TV his sort of like Because the line they like to use is one that sounds convincing even though it's got no basis in fact So he says well this problem obviously it's not really our fault because it takes seven years to train a doctor and we've only been in office for Seven years But what that doesn't take into account is how many people are leaving the profession because he's Treating them like shit Yeah, and also one of the reasons why there is much more demand in the NHS is because there have been real-term cuts in social care Which means that Whereas the cheapest thing to do as a country and the best thing for people's health is early intervention Seeing someone soon if they think that they might have a health problem or giving people advice about quitting smoking etc Especially important with mental health What the Tories have done by cutting social care dramatically is that this is massively increased the amount of people going into A&E And there hasn't been any extra funding to deal with that so true everybody you know every knows about that So you don't get a meeting meeting with your GP and then you consider going to end We all know we all live this thing every day. So anything else? No NHS wise. I think I mean you'll continue to see I Really should my new year's resolution is going to be to code to give page numbers to my notes Or some sort of like color coding something like that less shuffling in 2018 Anyway on that note go to support.navaramedia.com and we'll we we can then afford the extra ink to number the Pieces of paper and if you want a decent health service make 2018 the year we get socialism Okay, I'm ambitious Yeah Ambitious anything else. No good good. Well, Navara FM is back on Friday. I think we've got a new Episode the lockdown out soon mm-hmm all the best was out recently If you want to check out any of our podcast articles videos go to navara media comm like some Facebook Subscribe on YouTube for us on Twitter. I just want to add related to what we've just been discussing We also have a series of junior doctor who's writing articles about the NHS crisis very good Definitely check out the website. Excellent. 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How is that position changing as the world changes around us and what can we do to support academic chairs? And how can they support the rest of us? So Tony I would like to bring up at least one of our guests There's Terry where'd she go? Hello, you're on the other end of the room. So this is now dramatic We get to bring Terry up and who's our third not Christian who could make it, but Hello, Jennifer. Hello. Nice to meet you. Come on up This is great. There should be a TV kind of gesture here, right? We would play them to you with a theme song here, but you don't want me to sing that would be very very bad. Oh And If if we if we could please have a seat would be comfortable. I can turn this a little bit without breaking all the cables So that people can see you There we go. Hello Hello, and so these are two of our guests and so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you some questions And then as we go the audience here face-to-face the audience online will have some questions as well So if you ask you to introduce yourself by saying who you are What your title position is or is this week and then tell us what you're working on for the next year Okay, me first. Yes, please. Can y'all hear me? So, hey everybody, my name is Jennifer LeMoyne and I am the interim associate dean at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette go Cajuns and In the College of Nursing and Health Sciences, and this is really exciting for us because it's just been over just been over the last year that we transitioned from the College of Nursing and Health Professions to the College of Nursing and Health Sciences and Additionally, we were upgraded from the Department of Nursing to the School of Nursing So very very exciting time for us Additionally, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette just received our one Carnegie designation So we have a lot going on University My role as the interim associate dean is pretty much to see to the day-to-day activities of the college we have Nursing health information Management and Health Services Administration in our nursing program. We have traditional undergraduate nursing students We have our M2BSN online program We have a master of science in nursing where we do family nurse practitioners psychiatric mental health nurse practitioners nursing education We also have a doctor of nursing practice Wow, and as in your position right now, you have to manage all of that. Yes And you were before this a department chair. So before this I was what we call graduate coordinator Which is a chair position For all of the graduate programs within the College of Nursing Before that I was the DNP coordinator in charge of the nursing practice program and then we have a structure in the college where we also have what's called semester Coordinators. So one of the things that makes us so successful is the team of leaders that I work with We have various Physicians different hierarchy so that one person is not responsible managing all the faculty and all of the students In the college. Fascinating. Thank you. Thank you. One last question Actually one observation a question the observation is here in Lafayette, right? Back in the middle of the state do it was smack in the middle of the state No, no, it's it is actually in the southwest Okay, so like Alex Andrea would be in the that's what I'm taking out in true court and one row at the top You should teach me for it. So I got this now a question to ask you is what the next year is going to hold for you I mean, what are some of the surprises of the challenges? What are the big ideas that are top of your mind? so One of the challenges that we have right now is where we have accreditation coming up in March So that's always a stressful time next month. That's fun. Yes. So All of our nursing programs Yeah, so it'll be a challenging time, but we're going to get through it The other thing that we that we have coming up in September is we are one of I think it's only about a hundred and thirty Simulation centers across the world. We are designated as a simulation center for medical and nursing Education, so we have accreditation coming up for that in September as well. Who accredits that. Oh I mesh, okay, please. I don't tell me what I can't tell you what it stands. No, it's okay It is an international Yeah, accrediting body and again, we're 130 in the entire world We have a very robust simulation center we have state-of-the-art technology as far as as intensive care we have a mom who births a baby Very very good activities for our nursing students now knowing nursing students as I do Did the nursing students get to take over any parts of the simulation? Yes. Oh, man. Yes, that can be funny Exciting what you're doing a dean's search and accreditation at the same time. Yes Yeah, it's only only a noisy Which is why you are in in New Orleans. Yes The other challenges that we're facing over the next year is Of course, we have decreased student enrollment We historically have had Very high and plexed pass rates, which is the national certification for our ends and post Copen and I hate to keep going and everything about copen but why not make We've seen a little bit of a dip in our and plexed pass rates We are still well above the national average for that And we're also seeing a transitional Type of student has anybody seen a different type of student out there with different learning These and learning styles and expectations of faculty so that that is that is a great transition for us and one of the things That we have not had before is a student success coach And you know, we have more students that have increased levels of a test anxiety The field of medicine and nursing is getting more complex Our national accrediting bodies are requiring more and more from us in the way of robust curriculums Changing to competency based education over the next couple of years. So all of these new New ways of teaching and learning are on the horizon for us. So we're going to have to adopt pretty quickly to that So this academic students success coach We're hoping we'll help our students overcome some of the barriers that they faced, you know post-covid We're also seeing lower levels of literacy math reading which is It's really a shame because you know, these students are having problems in basic math and Those calculations skills. Oh, no So we do have some works in the Louisiana State Legislature to enhance STEM programs We also have some funding that will be coming directly to nursing education Personnel and educators as well as funding for I guess different types of programs where second-degree programs to make it easier Recruiting students in high school make it easier to transition from Respiratory therapy to to registered nurse so that credits are included and we can get Individuals into the healthcare workforce sooner rather than later So lots of things coming up in 2023 indeed and you have a lot of sympathy in the chat by the way people have said You're doing all this at once. Oh my gosh, you get something for me as well And plus we have new faculty that I've been mentoring that are less than five years So we have a very broad range of skill mix as well as experience and The other thing we're probably going to be working on is now that we are in our one We have of course, we've always had a tenure track and it's been a research focused but We're also going to move to a clinical tenure track. Yeah Really, I guess I think the research focus tenure track a little bit more rigorous That makes sense. Thank you so much. That's a fantastic answer And I I'm sure people here will have some questions Well, let me But I just want to say for everybody who is physically here in New Orleans If you want to ask a question, you can just raise a hand or you can stand up and as I say that one man Just raised his hand. That was pretty remarkable Well, why don't you go ahead and shout your question? And if people here can't hear it, I'll repeat it How do you deal with the mental health challenges of nursing students today, okay? Can I just guys repeat that a question was how do you deal with the mental health student challenges facing nursing students today? so we've seen more and more of which is Unfortunate we do have a counseling and testing service that is available for all of the students across the campus not just nursing students we have another faculty member who Is in the College of most liberal arts, but criminal justice and he is instituting a program for late individuals Those who are not nursing or in health care professions across the campus To be able to recognize signs and symptoms of mental health Issues early signs and symptoms so that in your classroom if you're a math teacher You may not be well-versed in these signs and symptoms of anxiety, mental health, depression so Instructors can go ahead and take these classes and be better equipped across the University and Do proper referrals so just a little history by the state of Louisiana 100% of the state is Designated as a health professional shortage area for 95% of the state is designated as a health professional shortage area for primary care providers We have a lot of work to do here in Louisiana But thank you for the question. So when Tony I went to register yesterday, and I'll walk up to registration and Tony says Jennifer the one We've been talking about you. I can't remember why Do I want to be Jennifer the one maybe I'm gonna sign as somebody else. He said we want you to be a pianoist And I said, I don't know what to expect, but I knew I could deal with a friendly audience Thank you guys for being so So far But we have a quick question for you, and then I want to introduce your colleague One person asked is there a higher rate of mental health problems or are we more attuned to mental health issues post COVID? I think both I think that we are more attuned to post COVID, but I also think that we're seeing a oscillating rates and in populations that we've not seen before such as ground school Yeah, you know traditionally, you know high school and college students We would see it young adults as well, but we're we're seeing Younger younger individuals across the state. The other thing we're seeing is Geriatric individuals who have had any contact with families for a very very long time That may have had a very robust social life Yeah, I know my mom we go worse for a life every Wednesday, right? But she hasn't been able to do that for a very long time So they're losing their social structure and that's also increasing rates of depression and suicide as well in the geriatric population Thank you for that great answer. Carly. Thank you for that great question, and I'm sorry. What's your name? Thank you Jeffrey great question great question now We have more questions coming up and by the way if you're online again Just either go to the bottom of the screen and just hit the raised hand question Raise hand button if you want to join us on stage or hit the Q&A box if you want to ask a question Why don't you pass them like a word to our colleague here Terry? I'm gonna try and point the camera at you without getting there we go We can see you. Hello. So first of all to bring you on stage metaphorically. What the what is your current title and your name? And tell us a bit about your position Well, my name is Terry Gatter, and I am the associate dean for academics at Kansas State University Solina campus. It's our urban space and technology campus for our College of Technology and Aviation So different fields, but a lot of similarities in what we deal with And I have actually been a department chair at a private institution for for many years actually teacher education Background go figure that I'm in an in aerospace and technology campus. Yeah, it makes sense But so I've been a department chair. I've been a school director and now I'm an associate dean role. Wow, okay This is fantastic and One question asked is the question I just put your seatmate here. What what are you looking forward to for the next year? What are the big challenges the big opportunities the the major concepts that are at top of your mind? Wow, do we have like five hours? No We have a few minutes in a nutshell a strategic planning as we look at the future of education and where Where higher ed is going to try to be proactive on that? It is really important and strategic planning is no longer 10-15 year strategic plans. We've got to be flexible We've got down and we've got to be able to move and adjust quickly That's one of the biggest changes that I'm seeing now from where maybe 15 years ago as a department chair So strategic planning is one Curriculum reviewing the curriculum. We currently have to make sure it's relevant rigorous relational Those are really important pieces for success And as we plan that and one of the things that's taught on my mind is partnerships And how we work with others we cannot do this in isolation at all Even if you used to survive in isolation if you try to do things in isolation It's going to be a losing battle. So how do we work with our industry partners? How do we work with our advisory committees on the most cutting-edge and relevant things that are happening? How do we work with our public schools? How do we work with our Chamber of Commerce and promote the regions that we're in? It's collaboration that's going to help us somebody mentioned earlier collaboration was important in the session I was in and I fully believe that. Oh, thank you. That's a fantastic answer And I have questions for you, but I want to make sure the audience gets to ask questions So again for everybody in this room just raise your hand and if you're online Just either click the raised hand button or click the Q&A button and we have a couple of questions I think for both of you. So let me just put one of these up right now And this is from Tom Hames who is not too far away from us using the Houston area in Texas and Tom asks Do academic departments create artificial silos that undermine the broad-based undergraduate education necessary for thriving in a digital world? Thank you Yeah, absolutely. Do academic departments create artificial silos that That undermine the broad-based undergraduate education necessary for thriving in the digital world Kind of said both When I first went to the Salina campus We had the name polytechnic And it was we were very intentional about working cross disciplinary cross department. That was my role as school director We brought three different departments together and so we were very intentional in doing that which department We brought together an aviation department an engineering technology department and our science and business Into one school of integrates that now there's some challenges there But it was fascinating and I had the opportunity to work with amazing individuals very passionate about their own content, but were challenged to work across the aisle so to speak and collaborate on We had a structure that forced that collaboration With some challenges, but also it moved us forward as an institution to be able to do some of the very things We're doing right now So I think we have to be careful if we're operating in silos the natural structure of a hundred-year-old University structure puts us in that we have to be intentional to put together ways that we can Work together I'll give one example Please manned aviation. We are great at that We are also one of the first schools in the nation to do It was called unmanned UAS or drones. We're now calling it uncrewed But those two Disciplinary fields are on a collision course and they're going to be merged in the future So to be prepared for that we can't operate in isolation. Yeah, so we are doing things intentionally now And building our curriculum around things that bring us together. Oh, that's a great example. That's a great example Jennifer, please so undergraduate nursing is very specialized as far as Preparing Graduates for the digital world. I mean we do have a lot of components to our courses as well as base to base classroom Again, the robust simulation Yeah, environment that we have we also integrate a lot of Technology And I'm not trying to sell any one product. But for example, there is a virtual health assessment a product out there called shadow health where In the absence of a patient experience in the hospital setting We can Virtual technology Can simulate that particular patient experience of the student will respond to the patient and based on their choices I will go down an algorithm where the patient will actually have different outcomes based on their choices So I do think we use a lot of digital technology Our undergraduate nursing students are also equipped to be prepared to go to the workforce that has electronic health records We have we partner with our HIM department where we have interdisciplinary Content taught in courses. We have a course where our HIM students will actually work with And advanced practice registered nurse We have a case scenario and based on the scenario and they will do the coding and billing I believe That is so important for healthcare. So I think we're doing a good job. Did I can't speak for all departments and colleges. It's interesting how you for you the digital was a way to help cross these boundaries and then for you You had a structure in place to help cross the boundaries. This is a First of these are great answers. Thank you both and Tom as usual a great great question And if you're new to the forum again, that's an example of a Q&A question Now I'd like to bring in a video question for our good friend Roxanne Risken who I believe is coming to us from Connecticut Let me see if I can bring her up on stage There she is. Come on Roxanne. It's great to see you. Oh What a great topic. I can't hear you right now. Is your mic off? No Now it is off. It should be on. Can you hear me? No, I can't pick it up at all. Everyone can hear her except me. What's a terrible position to be in? If Roxanne, why don't you ask your question? Well, we'll see. Yes Well, why don't you ask your question and everyone then can hear it? And then what don't you and then someone that Shaq can quickly paraphrase it in text? Thank you About how social emotional learning possibly be integrated into higher ed and A model In that area and he might I took a month and this is I'm going to segue I took a mindfulness course for health care professionals It was a short module. Here's the University of Florida I found it fascinating Helpful for reducing the stress which you mentioned before in the other Question I have is virtual reality. Have you embarked on any adventures and any learning experience that you find helpful? for your students you mentioned simulation Our our AV ninja just fixed the the problem with a single click And so you were just talking about social emotional learning and how to be integrated further into higher ed and is there a model that Okay, so that's a that's a quick question so Social emotional learning. These are a way that we can incorporate that into higher education Social emotional learning. Wow. How do you unpack that that is? multifaceted We talk about mental health That's that's one piece of that. But how do we even train people to recognize? Elements and we do have pieces of Self-care that we work into our curriculum, but even I don't know. I think it's social emotional learning. I think I think of All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this not that I agree with this But a lot of people will say the pilots Have their own set of egos. Mm-hmm. They don't always Maybe understand people from a different field Study, so how do we how we help them be open to? That human element of a little bit of different from them. We do have some of those conversations And helping individuals understand that other people are different and by using scenarios And examples of things that would happen from a human factors perspective both within the field and across The culture of groups of people that they'll work with That's that's a great question Thank you, that's a good answer. Jeffery. Do you want it? Yeah, so so what we're hearing from our employers and hospital system is that the graduates that are coming out or or not a premier from a a social emotional standpoint they may they may possess the knowledge of the skills, right, but They are not as resilient They have seen in the past and I don't know what the answer to that it is Particularly in nursing where probably a little bit tougher than maybe some of the other colleges, you know a little bit more You need to mature, you know, you big girl panties on because you know, what you're dealing with is life and death You know if you make a mistake you kill somebody versus I don't know make them call me wrong or whatever so so we do take a little bit more of a Tough level approach when it comes to our undergraduate students, but we do have over the past couple of semesters we have a very involved Diversity equity and inclusion committee within the college They have done some wonderful things in the college and across campus. So I think that we are learning to socially accept differences and uniqueness about different cultures and individuals Or readily then we haven't passed Something that is progress there who leads those workshops or where do they live institutionally? so It's an ad hoc committee that is within the college is not a standing committee like a curriculum committee or a program evaluation committee And we just put it out there to the faculty and we said hey is anybody interested and It is the committee that we have the most Representation on from faculty. We also partner with back to you from other colleges across campus And there was actually a graduate level DI Committee That deals specifically with graduate Education and students Excellent. Thank you Are you using virtual reality in any in any way in your simulations? We do we do we have We have something at the university called step brands and that's These that are paid You know when you get to college you build there's like a thousand fees that you don't know what they're for And you've got you know a $19 yearbook fee nobody Nobody reads the yearbook anymore, but nevertheless There's the technology fee and one of that student technology fee goes back into investing in the colleges across the university and We have recently received an award for a step for that grant for a Virtual reality where we purchased the glasses I believe it is I don't I don't know a lot about it because we haven't had They've been delivered and we haven't had any type of training sessions But she used that In our patient care in addition to our simulation lab So, you know, maybe I'll put that in a chili on the hook. I'd love to see that We're really excited about that and that that is something that came out of our community health and psychiatric faculty In those investors because there's not a lot of simulation that you can do out with community settings or The psychiatric patient. Yeah, so we're hoping to be able to enhance our learning outcomes and delivery of Of course content with this virtual reality. I've not seen it I've got used to but I'm excited about it. Oh, excellent. That's great And medicine has always been on the early stage for simulation for a really good reason I see medicines a little older But I will say that For example, our pilots who would take off from central Kansas We have the longest runway over a mile of runway, which is awesome for training aspects, right? but They can fly into any airport virtually and we've done some simulations They can talk to control tower in Los Angeles or they can I mean be able to use that virtual reality And Partnerships So some of those things are fascinating and so to the question about can we use that To help us in these arenas. Absolutely. I think we need to figure out a way to do a bit But I think that's a great opportunity Well, that was a great answer great answers from both of you Roxanne as always. Thank you so much for the great questions. Thank you That's an example of a video question. We have a couple of other text questions and oh one more video question coming in This is Adam Maxwell. Let me see if I can bring him up on stage Hello, Adam. Hi, Brian. Thanks for I wanted to follow up on Adam. I can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Adam are you frozen? Nope. Can you hear me? Adam your input seems to be frozen. I'll bring up your text question instead Let's see We have the question being this is following up on Tom's question about disciplines. Let me bring this up on the stage So you guys can see it What do universities need to do to facilitate interdisciplinary across departments or even merging departments? Especially related to how resources are allocated. So what do universities need to do to facilitate Interdisciplinarity across all these silos Well, I'll start just because I have the experience of forcing it structurally Is a way to accelerate that It's not always painless, but it's a way to accelerate that interactive Collaboration Another thing you can do is incentivize Interdisciplinary projects on this scenario that I gave you of our AR VR Students sitting in Kansas but talking to control towers and taking off and landing in airports across the nation Yeah was established in partnership with an aviation faculty And a computer systems faculty working together two different departments than initially under the school We were merged together Brought them in as they were both new faculty at the same time actually But building those relationships and helping those new faculty engage with people from other disciplines I think it's really critical to help with that as well. So those are a few couple ideas So some of those incentives and and and that kind of practice. Yeah, please So I think for us it's a little bit different and what we've done Of course, we have very good working relationships with college of science college of engineering you know, we we do try to Do some interdisciplinary work Whatever we can But in That has a very large medical community and what we've done is we have partnered with Some of those Clinics and agencies to do interprofessional research And it's it's been a two-way street For example, you know, I was telling Jared. I just recently graduated from the university of Utah College of Nursing um with a PhD in nursing And my dissertation focused on sex-based differences in purple artery disease and what we what we've seen historically Is that women are disproportionately affected where Purple artery disease has always been considered a male dominant disease. We just didn't get it right So we have a cardiovascular institute in the south, which is the The number one cardiology clinic across southwest Louisiana And I partnered with their physicians to do a secondary data analysis To improve patient outcomes within our community So that is an example of an interdisciplinary partnership that is not only benefiting That particular clinic would benefit any patients across southwest Louisiana and hopefully beyond And as well as research development for the university And in turn that relationship has also fostered some opportunities for our doctoral students To continue research efforts with that institution And other other institutions within the akete out of region So we do seek opportunities wherever we can find them whether they be across campus or across town to foster disciplinary Partnerships so having these off-campus partnerships is a really key way of doing that Off-campus partnerships, and then we also have what we call academic practice partnerships With hospital systems as well Well, thank you. Thank you Adam, that's a great question and thank you both for these really useful inspiring answers We have another question coming in from our friend our friend glenn mickey Who I think is in florida right now. Let me make sure But glenn asks this question today's inside higher ed opinion asks University should immediately designate an ai task force ideally at the level of each college or perhaps even each department How can this be done? So I think this is in response to chat gpt and other generative ai challenges Exactly, so not not not the computer science study of ai but grappling with ai as it impacts individual departments and individual schools so it's funny that Because I received An email maybe a week or a week and a half ago from a colleague from Creighton University in Arizona saying that hey, we need to be able to look out for student papers that are being written using artificial intelligence And I had never I knew about artificial intelligence and I knew that there were programs that were in the works where you would put in keywords And an article would be reproduced but the ones that I had seen The first ones I saw thought that they were written by someone who used First language was something other than english because there were little nuances within the article that just Just weren't right It's a translation issue, but I found out it was an ai issue um, but they're You know, I don't know what we're gonna do about that I do know that there's an individual and I can't remember the name of the person who has come up with a program that will be able to detect if the paper or article was written through an ai mechanism, so I guess kind of Reven up turning in For the next generation So I do think that that is something we need to be aware of as accommodations as far as How is ai going to influence the students work and is it actually the students work that we are receiving? So how this is a good point and the most popular tool of these is is chat gpt and there are at least two There are at least two different detectors I've seen the company that makes chat gpt open ai has one and a princeton undergrad released another one But the but interesting question is is this something which we could say that all academicians should be aware of But how can we structure that kind of awareness into say departments or into divisions? I think it's like anything I said that comes along in in education is you know, we need to Make sure that our faculty are aware of that whether whether it is diversity training or whether it is Learning about a new curriculum. I mean, this is definitely A threat to the future of academia. So I think it is is something that my gosh if I have to watch one more Video about safe driving while I'm on university time for continued education Every I certainly think that we can add something in That is required for us to maintain currency with the trends And ai that would have been our institution. Thank you. Thank you terry. Did you want to I just add this is something that's Challenging to stay abreast of because as soon as you learn about it it changes right that's what technology is so being able to be open with our faculty and have Spaces where we can collaborate and share ideas is is really important So somebody may have already looked into something that they can share with everything I'm not sure A task force Would be the way I would approach it as much as open collaboration and keeping the topic at the top Discussion lists that we have the other thing is our faculty have for several years been talking about How do we in covid expedite this? How do we structure our assignments? So that the students are actually Demonstrating their knowledge And applying that knowledge rather than doing papers or multiple choice tests and that type of thing and so When we're looking at that performance based outcome Can the students show me physically or do some kind of project that I don't then have to rely on the paper to understand their knowledge I don't know if the online audience could hear this But there were some applause from that last point about structuring assignments And assessments that actually reveal student learning That's a great question glenn uh, and that was uh glenn I think that was a column that was on the top of inside higher ed this morning By the way, we're we're coming close to the end of our hour So there's time for everyone to ask another question or to make another comment We have one one question from the online audience And this is from carly and carly continues our exploration of interdisciplinarity By asking this Follow-up, uh, what can staff offices and faculty departments learn from each other about cross collaboration? So what can staff offices and faculty departments Learn from each other about cross collaboration Why don't they ask these hard I think staff Staff offices is critical And I'm fortunate to be a smaller campus So this is easier than you are having a very large campus where you might have A five-story building that's all one apartment So In this case smaller is more efficient in that cross collaboration by necessity Everybody has to work multiple hats. So I'm blessed. I don't know if I'm the best one to answer that. Oh, that was a good answer I know we have Well, hey, I remember the five-story building when you when you say small, how many students do you have roughly? We are about 800 students right now. Okay. First will be over a thousand five fall. Okay. Well, good luck. Thank you Yeah, please five-story building And we're not Considered as a large university like LSU health science and we have About 15,000 students across campus. So between 815,000 I mean you've been talking about a huge difference in how how we would handle something like that um And I honestly I don't know what the answer to that would be I think that's something that is I would have to do some research on that to see what the best approach would be What has been done previously that works? What are some novel ideas that may work at my institution or when I work at a smaller institution So really a really good question that I don't think I have the answer for Well, I appreciate that. I really appreciate that and carly. It is a good question And if you have any examples you want to throw at us, please please do Do you want to say I was just going to share one example and again, this is from a small institution We when we're dealing with curriculum We have staff and advisors that sit on our what we call a matrix team for curriculum changes Because they know how that impacts our students. And so our matrix team for a change in Say something in physics involves People from all disciplines and even staff people to give input before it goes through that curricular stages So that's a structural Through that matrix team. Oh, that's a great answer. I like that. Thank you. I think people are going to be googling that right now Thank you We have Only three minutes left. So I would just like to take the moderators privilege and ask one quick question Which is and this is again, we only have a couple minutes left. So they can be as quick as you like How do you see specifically the chairs role as changing over the next five or 10 years? I think that In particularly in nursing we have had People stay in this position for a very long time Which is good to have the historical background but can also be a barrier to moving forward So I I think that Having a little bit more flexibility A little bit more Different mechanisms that we have now for Individuals that are in a chair position and I think too that we have to take into consideration How we're going to have to adjust to the faculty shortage how we're going to have to adjust to Decreasing numbers in enrollment Decreasing the finance that we're getting from the state. I think that we're going to have to develop unique strategies To combat all of that and that's something that you know, we might not have had to do before because You know when I first started at the university Over 16 years ago 75 percent of our funding came from the state and now it's less than 20 Wow So moving forward I think we need to anticipate changes like that and Get ahead of the changes for sure it'd be proactive Oh, they I don't mean thank you for that terrible number, but thank you for sharing all of that So that's that's quite a that's quite a role for the chair. The chair has to be very nimble and strategic You're you're looking at different funding streams, which means partnerships Collaboration I've said that earlier, but I think the chair has to look at how can I develop partnerships Not just within my institution or within and across other institutions Partnerships with the community We have a million dollar grant from a business down the road from us that needs Needs workers saying here's how we can work together. So thinking of those collaborative pieces In terms of state funding that you are in a political role as a chair You really Conversations that maybe you wouldn't have 15 years ago Whether you're telling the story advocating for for the efforts and the vision that you have at your college and at your school It's become I believe the more political type of position that it used to be as well And this is related to workforce development, particularly for health care I think a challenge for me over the next couple of years is also going to be for those students that may be unsuccessful in a four-year college How can we transition them to a two-year technical college and keep them in the workforce? So, you know, that's something we will need to and we are looking at it at a legislative level um Very involved with health policy at the state level and federal level. So we are developing task force and work groups to see what we can do to build the workforce in the state of Louisiana That's fantastic. Those are great answers and we are out of time And so I want to first of all, thank you both if I get a round of applause for these two brilliant women Thank you so much And thanks to people here face-to-face who ask good questions And share their attention with us. Thanks to those who who are online for all of your great questions Let me just point out if you want to keep talking about this. We can use the hashtag Tweet at me, brian alexander events. There's a mastodon handle or my blog If you'd like to dive into our previous sessions looking at things medical education Just go to tinyurl.com FTF archive if you'd like to look at similar sessions coming up. Just go to forum that future education.us If you want to send me anything that you've been working on that you want to celebrate Please email me be glad to share that And in the meantime, thank you all for a great session I hope everybody's well that you stay safe warm and dry depending on where you are and we'll see you next time online Bye. Bye


Good afternoon and good morning to everyone present here. I am Mohit Suman, and I work at Red Hat as a senior software engineer, and I'm based out of India. So I'll quickly start with a presentation which I have because we don't have a lot of time to showcase there. But I would like everyone to have their questions if they have in between the talks and they can just ask me at that point of time so that I want this to be a very interactive one. And this will consist mostly of few demos. So there are scenarios where it's a live demo thing, so things might not run, things might not be as expected. So keeping my old fingers crossed, I'll just start with my demo here. So the idea behind this talk is how you can deploy any application on top of OpenShift cluster using your ID. And the ID which I will be showcasing here during the demo is VS Code. So there are different workflows which I will be going through and how that will ease the developer experience around it, focusing more on top of that. So let's start with it. Good. I will just start sharing my screen. So let's go to the VS Code instance and the workflow is in VS Code we have different extensions. So from Red Hat we have this OpenShift extension.  But if you have not installed it will provide you a prompt to install this extension. And once the extension gets installed, on the left hand view panel, if you see there will be an OpenShift icon, which basically says that, okay, your OpenShift extension is installed. So this is one of the ways to install extension directly from VS Code instance. The other way can be to go to VS Code marketplace to install from here and it will prompt you to install the extension. So this extension is hosted in VS Code marketplace and also on OpenVSx registry where folks can also install it to non-VS Code users, but which has the same interface as VS Code. So once this extension gets installed, we will be going through the workflow what we have. So the idea behind using OpenShift extension in VS Code is where you can deploy your applications, your projects, your components directly on top of that cluster with few clicks. And you need not switch between different IDs or different terminals to perform that. So the first idea will be to connect to OpenShift instance. So to connect to an instance, we have this login command over here. So once you do this login command, it will be basically prompting you to provide your credentials. So as you can see, I'm already logged into one of the OpenShift instance. So it says that I'm already logged in. So do I need to log into a different cluster? I say yes. And once I do yes, it will provide me a list of API URLs which I'm already connected to. So this list basically comes from the Qconfig file which we have. So let's say I'm already connected and won't be going there. But see, for instance, you do not have an access to an OpenShift instance. Then what do you do? So we have a provision here when you can just add OpenShift cluster. And this will basically provide you three different options to start your OpenShift instance. One is to run a locally, local version of OpenShift using Red Hat Quotity containers, which allows you to install and run OpenShift directly from your VS Code ID. So you need not switch your terminal. You need not go to any other instance just to run an OpenShift. It can be done directly from your ID extension itself. The second one is you can always go and play with developer sandbox. So this is something new which has been given provided by Red Hat OpenShift where you can create your own OpenShift environment directly and work with some pre-configured tools. And the third one is you can directly use any of the cloud providers like Azure, AWS or Google Cloud to run the hybrid cloud infrastructure. So these are three different options. So I'll quickly go through the local one. So let's say I want to run a local OpenShift instance. And for this version of the extension, the version of OpenShift will be 4.6.15. So if I do this and I say reset. So if you see, then these are some of the pre-configured wizards where you can just go ahead and this will basically allow you to run your OpenShift quickly. So first of them is to download the OpenShift version. If I downloaded it's approximately two gigs of files. So we'll skip that for the demo part. So once we have the download file ready, we need to provide the location of the executable. So I'll do select path and I'll go to search CRC. So if you see, I have the CRC Micros bundle already there and I have this executable present here. So I'll just select this executable. Once executable selected, I'll go on next. Next is I have to provide a pull secret. The pull secret is basically a file which maps our configuration to the CRC cluster, what we have currently. So we can download the pull secret from here. If I do here, it will basically open the pull secret file here. So basically we can download this pull secret or we can copy this pull secret. So I've already downloaded this file. So I'll go to my base code again and I'll select that pull secret. And I'll go here. And this is my pull secret file. I'll just open it up. I can even configure the different configurations like the number of CPU cores. These are the default values which are necessary to run this local instance. But if I change these values that also works fine. Say I need to upgrade this and I need to upgrade this memory or I need to provide a specific IPB phone server name. I can configure those, but for the demo, I'll just keep it as a default once. So once these things are configured, the next step is to set up the instance of the code ready containers, which basically is configuring all the host environments, all the file permissions and stuffs. So I'll just run setup CRC. So this will open a terminal inside my VS code. So you see, we did not switch between our terminal or our external IDs. Everything happens inside the ID itself. So once the setup parts gets completed, it will prompt us that the setup is done. Then we have to go to next part where we just start this cluster. And the cluster which will be up and running will be 4.6.15. So this part is just starting with. So if you see the exact workflow of the class, CRC setup part is to check a different configuration that is it running as non-root part is the driver which is there for the different specific OS. So for Windows, it might be different for Mac. It is different for Linux. It is different for the file permissions of different configurations. So all these environment checks are done and even checks are done whether the bundle exists or not. Once everything is passed, it says setup is complete. Now you can run start and I will say, okay, great. I'll run start CRC cluster. So once the cluster is up and running, you can see I had already started this cluster so that it becomes easier for the demo. So once the cluster is done up and running, you can see a code in the containers for OpenShift 4.6.15 is already up and running. So we have an OpenShift instance which is running right now in our VS code itself. We have this credentials where we can use the login ones, the QBitamin username password and the developer username password. So I'll go here. And in the view, you can see the different informations which are present like what's the disk usage or the cache usage is there, which version of code it is running and what is the current version of OpenShift. I can open my console dashboard directly from here. I can stop my cluster and I can perform all the operations directly from the IDHL. So once we are done with this, the next thing is to connect to that cluster, right? So let's say I have, let me connect to a different cluster which I have started with. Okay. So let me connect to this cluster. Okay. This is the QBitamin file. Okay. So this is the Qube config file which I have, which has since starting. I'll go here and I'll go to login part. It will prompt me that I'm already logged into a cluster. So what should I do next? I'll say I'll do this. I'll provide a new URL. So I'm showcasing this to just show how a new user will do it. Okay. This I'm not going to copy it. It will prompt me what type of access I need so I can do a credentials login like username, password or directly pass the token. So for now I'll do this. So the username is QBitamin. I need to provide a password. I'll just see what the password was. This was the password. I'll copy this. So if you see here, it basically performs login to this cluster. And once it is done, I can save the username password which maybe for the next iteration I did not do it again. So I'll say save username password. I'll say yes. So once this gets connected, the idea is to deploy any application on top of this OpenShift cluster. So there are two different ways which we can do it. One is using DevFile support. One is using source to image support. So for the demo, I will be using DevFile support. So for that, I have in my workspace, I have two different applications. One is a React application, which basically performs some basic operations like checking the weather up of a particular city and how does that works on top of Node.js. And the other one is a COVID-19 application where we can deploy this COVID-19 application on top of OpenShift cluster, which uses Node.js as a DevFile support. So I'll quickly showcase one of them because we do not have a lot of time. So here if you go and if you see list catalog components, like, so this basically are the different type of components which are supported here. Let me close this one. So if you see Java, Node.js, .NET, Golang and different type of components which are currently supported for this instance of the extension. By name, I mean, for example, right now I'm deploying a React application. So it uses Node.js as a support. If I'm using some Java application, it will use Java as support. So let's go ahead and start. So first of all, we'll be to create a new project. So I'll say project is on DefconnCZ. See, there are notifications that the project is created successfully. So I'll just go ahead and do a new component and a new service. So by component, I mean the application or the project which you want to deploy on top of it. And by service, this basically means a different type of, let's say, a database like MongoDB or MySQL, which you connect to that project to do a communication or linking between them. So this is the difference between the component and the service. So I'll go ahead and do components. So first of all, it asks me an application name. I'll say application 123. So now there are three different type of scenarios where you can create a component. One is Git repository where you can directly provide your Git URL. The second one is a binary file where you can just pass on to your .ZZ file or any other file as a component. And third one is the local workspace. So for this demo, I'm using a local workspace. I go ahead and you can see, I have three different projects which was running in my workspace. So it basically prompts which one I want to select. So I'll go and do, let's say, a React Web App and I provide Node.js. So how does it figure out that it's a Node.js name? It's basically figured out from the Def file which we have in that project. So I'll go back to that project and showcase how it does, but for now, let's say it's a Node.js name or we can name it as Node.js weather. Just to differentiate. Okay. Now as it is created, it's in the not post state. So basically means it's in the class, not in the cluster yet. It's in your local system. So to push it in the top of the cluster, you just have to do push. Once you do push, the terminal will open and it will be doing the push commands to this OpenShift cluster which you have connected to. So if we can see in the debug file, we have this while dating the scenarios, waiting for the components to start. So meanwhile, this is going, you can also do, you can follow the logs which are happening. So this will basically open up the log instance in our ID itself. So whatever changes which happened inside the commands which is pushing to the cluster, these logs will automatically be updated in this view itself. So meanwhile, this thing is happening. Let's go back to this repository and see, if you see this react where by which we selected and we have a def file scenario. So this def file basically mentioned that it gets a Node.js starter project and the name of the metadata Node.js. That's why the name of the component was automatically populated as Node.js. If there would have not been a def files components and then it would have prompted us to select which type of def file supported what it's a Java or it's a Node.js or it's a source to image scenario and then we could have proceeded forward. So as the def file is already there, the extension is smart enough to figure it out and deploy that type of component. So once it is getting installed, let's wait for that scenario to happen. So if you can see, there are different options which being done. It performs all the scenarios like NPM install, NPM run debug, it pushes. So now when this changes are pushed to the component which means that this Node.js application is present on my OpenShift cluster and when we do it, you can see the route is automatically at it. This route gets created from the def file scenario when we open this def file. You can see the endpoints are already mentioned here. So based on this endpoint, the route is taken and it gets created in the cluster. So let's open this route and see what is there. If the application is running or something has broken or what the scenario is. Okay, so something has not been deployed. Okay, great. It happens in live demos, but let me just figure it out. So the other way can be to see what was broken. So what we can do is we can open control dashboard directly from here and it will basically open our dashboard. Let me just see. So there is a code here. See the password. So the idea is if something breaks or something is not working, you can anytime directly go to the control dashboard directly from your repository itself. The other two views, if you can see the watch sessions and the debug session, this basically means that if the component is already pushed and you can go ahead and do watch, this view will be populated. And if you do debug, this view will be populated. And as I mentioned, this is one type of component which is created now. Let's say I have already also created a service which is based on like MongoDB. So we can link to components. We can link to component and a service and those scenarios can be confirmed. Let's go back and see if it opens up. Great. So this was an example where I could showcase that how to deploy a React application. The same way, this was a weather application. The same way we can deploy a COVID-19 application on top of it. The idea is basically you can deploy any type of application on top of OpenSheet within few clicks and you can just test it out at how that works. So if I go here into the developer view, I'll skip it. Let this get opened. So let me search my project with DefConCZ. It will take some time to open. Okay. So if we see this application which we created, not just weather. This was the type of application which got created. Let's see if something is broken. Okay. The pod is still running. So that's why it's not up out there. Let me check. So this is how you can basically verify and figure out if something is broken, something is not working directly from your ID itself. But there are no errors shown here. So it should have worked. But say if we need to push it again, what we can do is we can just do undeploy here. It will ask you to want to deploy this application. I will say yes. And once it's undeployed, you see, it changes into not posted. So it's not in the cluster yet. It's again in the local system. And from here, I can do a push. So the difference here is if you're in the not posted, there are only few actions which are available to the user. But if you already post this to the component, you will have other options like linking, watch, debug and other scenarios which can do on top of this component. So try to push it again. So once we do it again, the terminal which will be opened and it will start doing all this information. And I can again do follow log just to see what type of scenarios are there. If you see this gets updated, the streaming is always on. If anyone has any questions, I'm not sure if we have Well, there are no any questions. But if you have some, please ask because we have five minutes left. Yeah, you can go on. I'll just copy paste the URL which is the project is hosted on so that folks can try that out directly. So this is the repository link that the code is hosted. And this is the link in the marketplace. So if you see, the component is again successfully deployed. These are the similar steps which is there and you can see the other streams which are there. Okay. So you can see the error is because it's missing a debug script. So when basically we need to change that in a project. And once that change is done, we can again push it. So I think this will not work again because the project is destination exchange. Yeah. Sorry for this. It happens during live demos. There are some scenarios. But if you see the idea is basically to improve the developer experience where the user can perform all the operations related to deploying verifying testing and seeing the logs debug and watch on every component on top of open shift directly from the ID and the extension itself. And this also has a support where you can just go ahead and switch context. So by switching context, I mean the whatever context which is there in a few config file and you want to just switch directly to that context instead of logging to that context, you can just switch to that context and it will automatically be updated. And the important scenario is for the users who do not have any specific access to an open shift instance, this extension will provide you directly to run that open shift instance on top of it. So as I mentioned, if I do again this and I can go here again, so as you already had us code ready containers instance running, this will automatically understand, okay, I have already a code instance running what the status of it and the status is still running. I can stop it. I can again refresh it or I can open this in the console dashboard. So where do you find this instance? If you go on VS code is command shift P and Mac and you do open user settings and you just type open shift. So if you see this basically in stores information that this was the location of your code ready containers. This was a configuration for CPU course. This was for memory and this was the location of your pull secret file. So these information is already stored in your VS code settings. Once you run your this wizard for the first time, so that next time you did not run this wizard again, it will automatically figure it out and will start your code ready continuous directly.