what it did with our background there but it was gone all of a sudden. It looks like we got a lot of our usuals and a few new ones out there. Thank you guys for all showing up. Today we're going to be talking about Drew Smith's week. So that's Drew Smith over there from the genealogy guys and we're going to think about it. And then the other way is Christine and she was his team captain for the week. I'm Mindy Silva and I'm the overall coordinator of the wiki tree challenge. Now, in case you don't know what wiki tree is, it's a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. In other words, we work to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and it's free. The wiki tree challenge now is where we take a team of wiki trees. Christine, you got me there on a genealogist guest star's tree and we collaborate to make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else. Our goal is to improve our accuracy on wiki tree, add more family connections, and make more friends, which we do. This week we worked on the branches of Drew Smith. So now here is Christine to tell you what we found. Oh dear. All right. So we'll start with Charles Henry Smith. So we knew right away that there was a big collection of letters that had been handed down through the family somewhere and I know you knew about them but you didn't know the contents maybe of all of them and they hadn't been transcribed. So they have been transcribed and they were combed thoroughly for hints. So from the letters we know that Phillip and his family left Ireland. We know that they left in 1849. We know this is around the time that the potato famine won a lot of families left Ireland and we know that those ships were not the best places to be and everybody had cholera on the ship and a lot of passengers died and Phillip wrote about this to his family describing how the trip was and how everybody was so sick and how they would throw the bodies overboard into the sea. But they successively immigrated and now we have all these letters. We were not able to get anywhere with Charles's paternal line but I don't know if you want to go to the next slide there, Mindy. We have parents for Marianne Riley. So we have found her father to be another Phillip, Phillip Riley, from County Cavern, Ireland and his wife's name was Rosina or Rosa Rooney. So there's a whole new family for you. She's always been a mystery and I'm wondering if this will determine who her sort of well I say adopted daughter but the woman she treated as a daughter which was sometimes called her niece but I don't know if it's yes I've seen that before yeah I think her name was Catherine if I remember. Kitty yeah maybe went by Kitty. Yeah she's she's married in the same plot or in the same yeah but yeah cool but no that's great. And those Irish emigrant those banking records are awesome you know for when you don't have like a census or something else to provide you with a location and names and stuff of some of the families in the area. Interesting have you linked me to Mickey Rooney yet or oh darn. And I think one of our team members actually might have found the immigration record. They think your family came in in 1847 on the Scootiac from Ireland. Okay okay I don't know about the lockout hair though. Yeah so there was another letter and I don't think we still have narrowed down exactly who that hair belongs to but have we? Yeah we actually have the hair we just don't have the relation to the family. Oh that's what it was. Yeah it was kept with the letters that belonged to the cousin you were talking to us about before we went on air and so that still hasn't been connected but that family has been fleshed out. Interesting okay. And the little slip of paper there says on Thursday last age 21 John second son of Mr. B.J. Smith printer of this town. The estimable estimable qualities he displayed proved a consolation to his family and friends and make their loss the more to be deplored. His apprenticeship as a compositor on the Suffolk Chronicle terminated but a few weeks since. During the severe seven years he was employed in our establishment it is due to his memory to remark not a single instance occurred in which his conduct called forth a word of reproof. If that isn't a high praise I don't know what it is. And it was really tragic though because the the man Benjamin Jacob Smith was the father and you know he was well known but his two of his sons died within two months of each other so you know he lost them very and very suddenly it wasn't like they had a long time illness or anything they were still young and died suddenly and then two years later his 20 year old daughter who had never even married she died. So he had just a lot of a lot of tragedy in that section so you know the the team member that was working on this went through and added several generations you know just in the hopes that we can continue to work on it and find out how those are related because was something as personal as a lock of hair they have to be connected somehow yeah yeah but you mentioned the cholera that Philip talked about on his letters and I know in another letter that I do remember he talked about how much there was in Newark New Jersey how much illness there was when he was talking you know emailing is uh emailing sending letters before email yeah snail mail to Mobile Alabama talking to his daughter and other people he knew but oh he said how horrible things were in Newark New Jersey in the probably the 1850s and if you go in on his profile now that you're allowed yes you will see all those transcriptions and the copies of the letters yeah it's quite fantastic yes I just want to thank my cousin for preserving those her family and Mobile all the way down to her just I got so lucky oh certainly that is just an amazing family you know airline to have unbelievable yeah uh mary bannon yes um oh Peter was a bad boy we did not have brick walls we just had tidbits yeah we're just fighting extra stories I love stories I love so yeah he was charged with assaulting a police officer in Oldbury in 1867 but it was dismissed um now as it turns out when everybody was looking for marriage records yes um Mary Ann Hyland who married William they were married the same day as her brother to his sister yep double marriage so you have yeah we see that all the time mm-hmm that's so cool it always makes you wonder what the story is though you know I mean really was that planned or um you know I don't know there's something going on at the time that they both went let's get married is it just cheaper to do it all at once rather than have two separate weddings right get everybody to travel there once not have to worry with going to two different weddings yeah in my family and recently like not like within the last hundred years not even back in 1800s I have three siblings married to three siblings I can't wait to read the story of assaulting the police officer though that ought to be pretty good yeah that was that was pretty interesting and he was lucky that um you know nothing really bad happened in the end but mm-hmm well I think it's back then you could be um you could be sent off you could be sent to be somebody's indentured servant over over here in the new in the new lands but so well oh can we skip wine class no wait a minute it's a great did louis do all this I know louis was hard at work on the jewish lines you know quite a few yes there was a lot of work and a lot of back and forth and a lot of can't wait to go back and read any of that yeah well that's not easy at least the names were not cohen or anything they were a little more unusual it was still hard um everybody had difficulty actually trying to find records with wine glass on them mm-hmm they get mistranscribed so often misspelled terrible it's I've seen wine's land gland I've seen yeah it's all over the play and wine wi end and it depends on how the person spelled it and then how their handwriting is like yeah they do the fs before the double s at the end or right you know all their little flourishes so anyway we found frumat's parents so you have another set of yeah rates in there yeah she was a circle that didn't know anything about her parents yeah so her father is abraham circle and her mother is hinda bernstein very good all right yeah unfortunately we couldn't take it further than that but it's always so hard you know when you get caught up in the week and you just keep going oh my god i've only got like two days and then there's so much like of the similar names and you kind of get lost and you got to walk away it was tough i i early on when i was working on my grandmother with rachel uh that i thought i would had attached her to the wrong parents because it turns out she had a first cousin rachel that her father's brother had a daughter rachel that was born like two years earlier or later and i'm like i thought for a little while maybe i'd been wrong all these years about who my great grandparents were until i realized oh there's two cousins named rachel so yes we had a couple instances of that too where people were trying to figure out and not just in this line yeah but in other lines as well where definitely where siblings would have children at the same time and then name them the same thing especially when you get into the irish naming conventions and you have to you follow like the father's father's name and then the whatever so it's been interesting all those matching names and that tree widget just to point out is another one of those fun tools and toys we have here on wiki tree um you know where you can take that and embed it directly into your website or you know somewhere else in a dynamically update so if you don't have somebody's grandparent now when you find it later it'll go out and refresh itself so we like our toys here at wiki tree you do all right sarah yeah i know this is i love sarah this one was a really difficult one as well everybody was really trying to hard to find anything that they could yeah um but her father has a father now eliezer interesting and her mother hannah also has parents now so we have um see erie seagull and elka niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra niggra that's a name i've never seen that's an interesting game and that's a little more unique so see they're all common so there's a brand new surname for you too i love it i see go ahead only discovered kind of recently but yeah no i didn't know anything about bass past that with hannah so that's terrific yeah and we were we were pretty sure you hadn't seen those tombstone records because we have exact dates now for all of them would i've seen them i couldn't have translated them anyway oh no they have somebody was trying to okay somebody was trying to encourage somebody to go to a cemetery to down the tombstones and they said there's only 26 000 of them yeah he said if i have more time this week i'd go do it but there's 26 000 people on that cemetery so yeah wow which cemetery is that is that do you know the acacia one or one of the other ones oh i know the acacia one was the one we found first and that had wine wine glasses and grottoits and some other family members okay grouped in there yeah and then i think there was other like corollary people that were found with similar names and then everybody was trying to tie them also back into your family but um in a week it just can't be done no uh edmund oh boy wow edmund they like that name oh really well no yeah well we did find well we didn't get further back we just found a couple of things about him um we believe that he served as a musician in the civil war well that's interesting for the confederacy yeah well it's the south it's south carolina come on i know i know robert b king was in the confederacy as a soldier he's marked that way but yeah but edmund yeah i didn't know if he was he did he served but and there's an article here where himself and a whole bunch of other men up to even elderly men um in their 80s were rounded up by somebody and arrested now the article doesn't go into it's an account from somebody who was traveling through um edge field or that area i think it was saluda oh yeah well saluda is the part of yeah that's part of it it's a split off county from edge field but yeah it was in there and they were talking about this horrible scene where this gentleman was rounding up all these elderly people and it's really point to like you know and i was meandering through town after i went to the shop here i was a guest to sit around you know it was like that it was awesome i love how they used to write yeah and then there were two people that somebody they pointed out was kind enough like the one guy had his wife was on her deathbed and so they were gonna arrest him and they didn't and they were like well so we did show some kindness like to those bad confederates you know but um yeah but yes edmund was among those that were arrested interesting yeah um and then we yeah we didn't get anywhere we didn't find his mother's maiden name we didn't uh there is a possibility we might have found his father um in the slave schedules i don't know what years those were yeah i know i i know his fought james uh james james i've seen a probate record where james was going to leave a single he only had like a single slave and he was going to leave it dead okay uh a female slave i don't even remember if she was i don't even know think she was named i have to go back and look but yeah that's the only slave i know that james might have had he might have had others but that was that one was in his probate but that was in the 1850s and james went on to live until the 1880s i used to joke that james and his wife were the same age in 1850 and every 10 years he would get 10 years older and she'd get eight years older and by 1880 she was a good six years younger than he was so yeah that's the way to do it yeah uh so mendi thought she would look up all these martins really do you realize there's even a martin there's like a martin town around there that is one of the most common names in edgefield on my hands yes i have all this free time yeah there are that's why i've had so much trouble there's so many martins i figured one these days i'm going to get one of my martin cousins to take a y dna test and actually you know on the different profiles that we have done for the existing martins i think he'll be at least a little bit impressed we have a lot of information on him and this is one of the times when we can use something like our space pages if you haven't seen those and i know you've been on wiki tree for a long time because i've seen profiles that you had back to 2011 um but you know some of the profiles weren't worked since then so yeah probably not yeah at any rate there is a free space page and it has all of the martin the surname martin wills in edgefield district okay from 1797 to 1866 i believe neat okay and then there's also which actually was looking encouraging and it looked like james's father was going to be a john but um but then if you look at the 1800 edgefield census which is also those are listed there there's a number of men that did not have wills so they either had moved on or or didn't write a will it still leaves first in speculation but it gives you a good place to jump off at next time you know and you can do things like look at the land plots or you know find other ways to try and connect them but i still think that john was the most likely and the ironic thing is the only reason that uh james was mentioned in his will is because he said okay i leave these to this child and this to this child and then i want the rest split between my children except for my son james okay so i'm not sure what the story was if james had already gotten his well whatever from his dad or if dad just really didn't want to leave anything to the son james maybe he fell out of favor we don't know we see a lot of snarky snippets in the wills yeah i know james and is what they were living in a part of edgefield called pleasant lane i think but i don't know if that might lead to some property records that might lead back to his father i don't know but yeah there'd be an interesting thing to follow though there was actually one that i was telling christine i said this guy looks like he threw his whole family tree at his well because he does and he's got this long will and it's like and two so-and-so who is the son of andrew by the way i think andrew martin died young um and suddenly unexpectedly and to this person who is the daughter of tammy and to this person i mean he's got his kids he's got his brother's kids he's got everybody's kids in the will so that was the rich brother i guess at all if we would have had more time this week we could have just expanded out off of that one will you know and seen a little bit more on how those profiles are related but gives you another thing to look at um and i know you're familiar i'm sure with neth nathaniel body's large will uh i have seen it yeah it's well now it's transcribed in a nice thank you oh thank you i appreciate that and uh you can go in read it and i think there was even maybe some some of the people were linked to the profiles if i remember when i was looking at it before so you can see exactly who's who oh yes fantastic interesting yeah okay uh now these are the newest this is the i didn't know about uh sarah and elizabeth fashis parents until well much until within the last year or so this is like my newest branch that i've discovered or knew anything about at all okay i'd say but but i didn't see any doc i haven't seen this document i haven't seen any of this so right so um there was a lot of effort on her father and her father's line but there was too many benjamins i think benjamin she tried to sort out somebody who was tried to sort out four different benjamins who lived in the same time and it was just you couldn't narrow down who which one was her father never mind continue back another generation now her mother's side though that is extended um so sarah nealy is the daughter of george nealy who's the son of james nealy who's the son of another george nealy george was a big name in there and george nealy um he is actually a dark ancestor and he supplied the militia during the revolutionary war in the years 1780 and 1781 he provided them with whatever i guess they needed and so he is a dark ancestor interesting okay and then on on the the older george nealy um i i almost got to give bounty points over this and i really really wanted to uh his wife was listed as mary proctor i believe and it was found that his wife to be agnes nicknamed am and so that was a correction as far as that it was incorrect on the possibly the reason i couldn't give bounty points on this is because we don't know when he married her um we could not find our team members could not find that marriage record anywhere so you know i mean she could have been a second wife you know what i'm saying yep marriage records in south carolina are so difficult they're terrible but she did show up agnes showed up in two prop two of the land deeds that you'll see on the profile that the team added there and um and then they said she showed up on the will but she had to have been in the later probate because i didn't see it on the actual will but at any rate i think those 10 bounty points should have gone to that person but unfortunately we couldn't find that marriage or you would have had that also ah okay and benjamin was um also in trouble you've got a lot of trouble in your tree oh it's like people get written about when they're in trouble that's why you don't always want to get good people you know it's right so he was we're good yeah we wouldn't hear about him he was sued for debt at least five times right before he married sarah nealy which must have just chafed her father because when he wrote his will um he left he bequeathed money to her children from her first marriage and quite specifically says the children of addison grant my grandchildren but none to her children by benjamin wow so that's pretty serious not just that he left him out he left those children out wow so he liked he liked his son addison but he didn't like his son-in-law addison but he didn't like his son-in-law benjamin but yeah he didn't like the bankrupt benjamin oh well yeah and you know i i matched some grants and nealy's that's also how i first learned about that was in dna some of my closest dna matches were people related to the grants and the nealy's and i'm like okay i need to end and a late cousin of mine years ago said that she thought that the woman was a nealy but i never found records so that's why this was a much more recent thing for me to learn about it okay now this was the brick wall chart this is what i use and some of the captains use and if you i know you've watched our videos so you know these yeah and each one of those yellow spots are the available brick walls that we look for people to fill and then where the little bees are and you can see those are all on your dad's side sorry mom but i'm a little surprised i always thought those were the tougher ones yeah yeah but they all i think too that because they were anticipated to be tough everybody gravitated towards the things that were going to be more difficult just to prove that they could prove it right yeah and you know yeah and because there was also so much filled out in you know your mom's on the southern side there was so much yeah that's true some of that's really really already stretching back so yeah particularly the bodies okay and then we're going to talk a little bit now that we're done with all the good surprises about collaboration and how we do things here at wiki tree when we're working on these challenges collaboration is key during the challenge and that's what we're all about one of the ways that we collaborate is the spreadsheet on the left we really really encourage people to use it because when you wind up to 25 to 30 people working on the same branches it's really easy to trip over somebody's you know work and make somebody lose work one of the other ways that we collaborate is that g2g post now sometimes we get excited and we get on those rabbit holes and we forget to put things out there and i think we kind of did that this week those rabbit holes were pretty deep but you'll get a link to that drew so you can see the comments that are out there that way usually where we claim bounty points were put interesting finds and i do know that that like louis has has posted a few things out there and a few people have commented so so that's great and then yes louis did a space page actually on what was that location mack mack how or mark of a poland or is that the one no well you just go and you read yourself that's i'll read it okay you're gonna have some reading on that and that's that's what spurred me out of the discovery of those tombstones was that the location was corrected so what you were seeing in the records was wrong and that was probably preventing you from finding what you needed because if we wouldn't have found that we wouldn't have gotten as far as we did this week cool i'm glad about that you found those see like christine said got lots of reading lots of reading you have to do i'm thrilled i'm thrilled and here of course is a discord where we've already talked about uh this is our live chat so this is something with us being a global site there are people around the clock that are talking in those rooms about something way past the bedtime yeah sometimes they go down those rabbit holes and then they start discussing things if we want somebody in the second set of eyes to look at something we jump in there there are people that go ahead and you know say hey i need an obituary for this okay and somebody else is like i got it i'll add that you keep doing what you're doing go down that rabbit hole some more and you know we we just kind of keep everybody motivated and it also lets you know kind of what's going on and then i did want to say this week that um you know because a few of the lines were so intense i did notice that we had some quieter people that kind of stayed out of the chat this week and just put their head down and worked really hard and either way i do notice and we all appreciate you and i and i know drew appreciates to every oh for sure everybody yeah that worked on this i'm thrilled you have no idea yes okay and here is where we get our top five valuable player um mbp so that of course this week was louis kessler and then for our top five overall second was a lane weather all these people have all been active every week a lane was one of our quieter ones did a lot of work in the background anonymous sharky we have robin baker and then donna bowman and can i say this is the same louis kessler who said he didn't think he was going to be of any help with anybody in the month of august i accept unless but if there was someone had jewish ancestor he might be able to help then and that's when i responded said uh louis you don't know about my maternal grandmother my jewish grandmother and i'm like oh maybe i can help yes so yeah and he definitely was kept busy this week and yes thanks louis and everybody else of course but thank you louis and then the the way that one of the ways that we keep track of how we're doing also is our point system we're not really in it for the points we love giving these this gift to somebody it's just an incredible feeling to be able to give this gift you know of helping you learn more about your ancestors but we do keep points and it helps us know how we're doing and keeps people motivated and sometimes they get a little competitive just a little bit but the big points are for the bounty points now of course that's 10 points for each brick wall ancestor so we had seven brick walls broken 70 points this week and then the smaller points were actually for adding the nuclear relatives and sometimes those can go a lot higher than actually the bounty points do it really starts adding up after a while on top of that we have people that contribute that don't get any points so you'll get a link to your score sheet drew and when you look at it going why so and so got a zero you know Mindy what were you doing all week there's when you work on stuff like the spreadsheet or the space pages it doesn't count okay if we go down a rabbit hole and we add the husband and then we add their kids and then you know and we are trying to extend the family so that we make more connections on wiki tree none of that counts it's just the direct line that does so yes those people that have zeros it means they were active in the system picked them up hopefully they were having fun at least yeah I think so some really great work went on and then so then we had just to show you how we did this week we had 319 unique profiles edited this week so I know some of those people were already on your tree or already on your wiki tree branches but all of those got some TLC from somebody this week great and then for the total edits these numbers always floor me you know we're just here for a week so every time somebody goes in and fixes a date adds a source does something to those direct or nuclear ancestors it counts and there are 1398 total edits during the week all for you drew so I'm so lucky thank you thank you thank you no really I mean I I knew y'all would do a fantastic job but I just couldn't imagine what it would actually look like so thank you for everything thank everybody really yeah it's been fun well I mean it's not it's fun but you know it's tough like not looking at the emails I'm getting from the wiki tree updates and just filing and without opening them it's like that's yeah that's Christmas without shaking the packages you know and even the people like we had Lewis of course was a guest for one week and we'll have Melanie upcoming you know we just take their participation roll away so that they don't see the discord room they don't have to like uninstall it or anything but we can't stop the newsletters so yes you get those emails you know or you get oh yeah do you approve the merge between these two duplicate profiles and of course that was the first one I got was one of those and I'm like I gotta stop looking at this stuff no I don't make you want to go look though honey you're like who's merging that what happened mm-hmm no I just filed him in a way I just put him aside filed him in a folder in Mindy already took care of it so don't worry about it okay but that was kind of funny even this morning I was get texting with my brother who maybe I think online but I was he was telling me something about the letters and something I'm like don't spoil it for me you know he's like I'm sorry you know so something about the ships that they came in on or something so yeah yeah and that was probably once again you'll get to read that but that was probably that where she had transcribed all of those letters and found that one game and it actually led her to those additional migration you know like the passenger list and stuff yeah I had no idea even the passenger yeah I never thought about it I if I had seen those names six years ago I've totally forgotten about them so yeah so thank you for that yeah that was it was two ships that we found it was Philippa Catherine was Columbia on the Columbia yeah that was the other one I didn't came in on the Scootiac yeah that's why I had never heard that one before at all or didn't know about that one yeah it just amazes me that people can even find stuff like that I know I know well I I go back a hundred years and I'm done I all my lines and and in Ireland have been toast well that's one of the great things though about the the mix of people that we have you know and people from different projects and people from different countries and you know even the ones that live in the same place like I'm in the United States so other people in the United States I'm like oh here look at this record this probably has what you have but then you know next time it's their turn and they're like have you looked here at this site this is a really good site to use you know so we all kind of pull resources and that's not something that you generally have when you're doing your own family tree and it's just really nice to be able to do that and reach out and then we're all learning to you know so when we do like the Polish records we're like oh that's good practice for next time when I do this and then more people jump in and and kind of help with it so I'm looking forward to the citations just to see yeah what records that I probably never thought to look at are going to be listed there for sources I can't wait to see that so yeah well I hope we at least met your expectations on how everyone did because everyone had a blast working on at your branches this week that's all I really wanted to have happen everybody have a fun time that's we even found the actual marriage record for Lewis Wineglass and Sarah Grotowicz and the actual written register did it say Grotowicz or did it say Levy yeah see that's still a mystery and I've shared that with every Jewish video just I know why is it Levy and not Grotowicz because it's like you know why or did you find no we don't know okay I've I've asked every well-known Jewish genealogist I know why is that you know because we actually kind of laid it down to maybe the rabbi just had a bad day and wrote down the wrong name well the rabbi coincidentally was a seagull oh so you could have a family a relative maybe well and even within our own group they really changed their mind several times during the week so you know one day they were like no it's Grotowicz the next day they were like everybody he was married once before I'm like no no and his mother well her mother shows up as Levy with Levy and her name at some point also which kind of confuses things although it is not that uncommon to you know to use your mother's maiden name included in your name so we thought maybe he just didn't you know put the entire thing but also that it could have been uh Levy it was thought at one point was just meant to be the Levite you know like saying what their religion was and he hadn't put the the actual her actual surname down so I don't know it made for some lively lively conversations you know what's really fun to do is research the rabbi that's always fun to do and find out where they lived and all and where did they live in conjunction with where did Lewis or Sarah live and that's really interesting too if you try to put them out so that's your job I know I know but well I did that years ago and looked at it once but it's probably trying to visit that again actually there was some really wonderful books online right now that follow the history of the churches there in the areas like Edgefield and talk about the different uh yeah the ministers and so for like Jane's brother Reverend Jesse Pitt's body yeah and they have some good you know history about a little bit history about the area too I was a little disappointed because it didn't have more about the people it's like oh we only had 12 people sign that this year our charter you know thing for the town and you're like okay well tell me who the 12 people were and they're like oh you know it was these two guys and then 10 other people didn't that was all they put you know you they didn't even put the names down I was like no give us give us name we want names I want to go back to so many ancestors and say would you write that down please dear well you're not supposed to give me more stuff to do until I retire but that's great still you know that's so yep Lewis is right yep that's gonna be a lot of rabbi circles a lot of people to go through so do we have any other questions before we go from the viewers I think a lot of I noticed a couple of comments go by we're surprised drew that they weren't closer to you because usually when we start branching out those lines like we did you know the cousin connection gets closer it's really easy on wiki tree to go oh how close am I to drew which I would have expected more on mom's side anyway but yeah with the bodies and like I've said the pits and maybe the warrens but um yeah those um yeah I wouldn't expect any on the on the smiths riley's bannons highlands and and well but maybe now that those names are out there out there push those out a little bit other people kind of add to it and you know those connections will get better that's great I would look forward to hearing from those cousins maybe they'll have letters like my cousin in houston texas yeah those are just wonderful finds that's amazing yeah that is just so amazing yep and that's all because my brother kept he went to a presentation I made at a national genealogical society conference in charleston on blogging for genealogy and he went home and started a blog because of that and then talked about our great great grandmother maryon riley smith and her business and the letterhead of her business and that's how my cousin found me through my brother's blog because she had that letter on letterhead wow so I know that was like and oh and and this isn't a good story but it's you know I often wondered how did my great great grandmother end up with the glass factory you know how did and because she bought it from she got it from her son who couldn't make a go of it and I wondered why he couldn't make a go of it and I had a suspicion but wasn't sure and one of those letters says to her his cousin in mobile alabama that his brother couldn't make a go of it because of drinking it's like okay that was the story so unfortunately all those boys died pretty young too so sadly yeah yep but so it's not all good news and letters but you know you got a history's history you have to take it all yeah and sometimes like you said before you know that the things that may be tragic or you know really difficult are why extra things were recorded so sometimes you're just really thankful to stumble upon those stories yeah and find out more about those families it's really hard and you know some of the earlier areas to go back and find things like vital records you know when your certificates weren't even required and you know you're trying to figure out how many kids they have there is one of yours you'll find that just says son and daughter in the list of children because they were in the census records of course when they just did the hash marks so by the time they actually wrote the names down those two children head moved you know head out right and there's no death record showing up yet saying who they are so yeah that kind of stuff is is just part of it all I guess well again I hope everybody had a good time because that's ultimately what it comes down to when we do this stuff is we're enjoying ourselves learning and connecting people so but it should be fun and I'd say you all make it a lot of fun well we certainly have fun making the connections and giving these gifts so I think now unless anybody else has got any questions oh I gotta pop up a reminder next week is going to be a rest week so go ahead and take the week off you guys have done an amazing job you all deserve a good hand and um take the week off and then we'll come back with another guest for week 33 and thank you all for watching thank all of you participants out there um especially the 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Welcome back, everyone, to theCUBE's live coverage. I'm John Furrier, Rob Streche here, analyzing, as CUBE hosts, we always do, getting in the stories no matter what it takes from the executives, to the leaders of the foundation, the open source contributors, to engineers. Our next guest is an engineer leading a development team at MINIO, a company we've been covering on theCUBE before. Here, Danielle Valdivia. Thanks for joining us theCUBE. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you for having me. You're in the Distinguished CUBE alumni list now. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you. We wanted to get you on to talk about some of the cloud-native open source dynamics that are going on. We saw our container ship moving through the harbor. It was perfect timing, our last interview. You got a lot of different projects here at the open source summit. This is not CUBEcom. This isn't 10,000 people in Europe, or 15,000, 20,000 might show up in Chicago. It's a small crowd here at the open source summit. There's a lot of projects going on, but the right people are here. What are you seeing out here in this world? And I know the CNCF is a big part of this group. How many cloud-native conversations are happening here at this event? So, the main conversation point we're seeing is, okay, we're seeing a big shift in the whole Hadoop ecosystem, moving from legacy HDFS stuff, start implementations, right? That was like the nation open source cradle of data on the open source space. But now that the HDFS ecosystem is sort of collapsing on itself, people are asking, okay, what's next? Where should I be moving my data, right? I want to build an even larger data lake, but turns out I cannot move my HDFS into Kubernetes, just using upstream HDFS. So that's where Minayo comes into place, right? People are asking, okay, I already have all these investment on my Hadoop pipelines, my Spark pipelines, my Presto, and what do I do now? So the answer is, okay, you move into Minayo, right? So Minayo is just building high performance or big storage. You change the scheme on your pipelines, and then you don't have to do anything else, right? Everything just works. And that's where the big conversation and the topics that we're seeing on here. Yeah, one of the top conversations that Rob pointed out yesterday in our summary was, there's a lot of dependencies between projects now, to your point. How has that impacted some of the interop, I won't say interop, good, but the cross-project work? So we've been hard at working convincing people the importance of decoupling compute and storage, right? Coming in from the big data world, people thought, oh, I need to make my compute clusters as big as my storage clusters. So now that we've been spending years convincing them, okay, you don't need to collocate them, right? You can actually decouple them. And now that companies are making that investment, when the time comes to actually replace components, right? So of course, they want to make it the least painful as possible. And that's where the S3A connector on the Fado because it's made it a very clever transition, right? Just change the schema, it just works.  Are you contributing back to some of the different projects that are going on here? Or what really is the, where you're leveraging in? From an engineering perspective, obviously. From an in-respective, of course. So we're very interested in making sure that open source, Minayo, works for everyone, not only Minayo, but object storage. So object storage has come out as the standard of consuming storage over the internet. And you see that there's big companies making an effort, for example, when Amazon wrote the S3A adapter, it convinced people to start using HDFS. And for example, we saw that some of the ways, for example, Spark consumes storage is making assumptions that it's still using HDFS. And HDFS has, for example, a rename operation, object storage doesn't have a rename operation. So we wrote, for example, a Spark Committer that actually improves the overall throughput of your Spark pipelines, because not everyone is writing highly optimized Spark pipelines. So we just actually wrote this component, and now we're actually considering collaborating back to upstream. That's just one of the efforts, right? In other projects, like SpyTorch, TensorFlow, Q-Flow, we're actually making sure that object storage is always functional. So we're also contributing back in that area. So you're contributing that back outside of the Minayo pipelines, or product, and back into Spark? Or which group is that going, or project is that going back into the HDFS projects? Spark is managed by Apache. So that's going to that team, right? Every now and then, where we make contributions to other smaller open source projects that we see, because every now and then, someone comes with a brand new database, and they say, this is a brand new database, it works on top of the object storage. And we say, that's great, you just need a couple of tweaks to allow for a custom endpoint, and now you can actually test against Minayo. So we like contributing also to all these other projects. Some of them are small, personal projects, and some are smaller startups coming into the scene. So that's where we like contributing as well. So what you're contributing back, just to break it down for the non-technical people, is really how you are able to kind of simulate or mask out the metadata aspect on top of an open, I guess you can say, an object storage layer? Well, yes. And to some extent, what we're actually contributing is just giving people the ability that you know, yes, maybe Amazon came out with the S3 standard, but you know, there's Minayo, right? So the only thing you need to actually make, your product that already works against AWS S3, to work with Minayo is just to change the endpoint. So some developers forget that, exposing the S3 endpoint, it's important. So we just contribute on that part. It's like, yeah, just do it this way. And now developers can work locally on their laptops, right? Your DevOps engineers can build CI, CD pipelines that test against Minayo, and then production can also run against Minayo, right? So that's where we like contributing as well. Do you see a lot of people that are splitting between Minayo and S3, and having different parts of their data lake in different places? Is that something that's big? That is a big trend that we see our customers doing hybrid deployment, right? And when we say hybrid deployment, we see them across clouds. So we see customers, for example, that like keeping some of their data on premise, right, sensitive data. And they like having the exact same storage API as they have on AWS. But moreover, we start seeing that sometimes they build storage infrastructure across cloud providers because now it's trendy that a cloud provider region goes down for a reason, right? So they like to be protected. So they like deploying across two vendors and having the same storage API makes that so much easier. What's the biggest thing that you're seeing in open source that AI is going to have the most impact for? So in the open source world, I mean, the impact that I'm seeing in the open source world from bringing from the AI, it's all these large language models that speed out code that were trained on open source code, right? So even you look at these models and they say, we didn't train on everything, but we train on the most popular open source products, right? And that taught these models to how to code. So the value of all these people collaborating and making high quality code is actually coming back to being in the models. So when engineers are actually leveraging LLMs to write code, they're inheriting all this knowledge that open source contributors are building. And do you see that right now in the progress? How legit in terms of coding? How much human curation do you see going on? Some people are spreading good code. I mean, in known use cases, you say, build me a website or an e-commerce site, it does that. It's not that. I mean, that's in, you know, but Stack Overflow recently had blocked ChatGPT. I don't know if you saw that, I read that on Hacker News. And very interesting because they had all those questions. They have the prompt engine. Yeah, it's exactly. So the interesting thing about, when you look at LLMs, for example, and they're like generalizing knowledge. So the interesting part is, okay, the prompt is quite important. So you will also see that on GitHub issues, for example, but the logic that lives throughout the code is also important for the model to memorize. So observing how code is properly built to address a certain problem, that's mostly what these LLMs need to look, right? So, yeah. What do you think that KubeCon is going to be like in Chicago? We were just, as you mentioned, we were all together in KubeCon, EU. And then it was packed, 10,000, largest I've ever seen, KubeCon in Europe. That was the biggest we've had. That was pretty bad, 2,000 were on the waiting list. So to me that's a tell sign that the US is going to be a monster show. What do you guys think this shows, what do you think the show is going to be? If 10,000 in Europe, what do you think Chicago will be? 15, 20, what's your guess? Oh, just guess. At least 20. At least 20, yeah. Rob, what do you think? Yeah, I think it'll be, you know, probably closer to 15, but they'll have a wait list after that. I'm sure that'll, but I'm sure it'll be close to 20 wanting to be there. That's for sure. Yeah. All right, so the question we have to ask you as we wrap up this segment, we'll finish this segment out with the platform engineering conversation. What is your view on platform engineering? Because it's become quite the conversation, a movie we've been talking about on theCUBE for a long time and everyone knows that, but it's become more of an IT definition. As DevOps comes more mainstream, platform engineering used to be like Google SREO, yeah, hardcore, spitting glass, eating nails, you know, hardcore developers, right, hyperscalers. But now as platforms go to IT, that you got that platform, you guys do a lot of storage stuff, okay? So, okay, you got platform engineering, you got security, policy data. Now apps are in the cloud or on-premise with cloud operations. They got APIs, they're connected, so they have dependencies, so you got apps have platform-like features too. Yeah. How do you view platform engineering versus just a robust app that, by the way, works together with other apps? Yeah, well, you see, when people are building this transitioning to moving their applications into the cloud and Kubernetes has made a great job in standardizing that, right? Kubernetes has emerged as the operative system of the internet. So, all these applications that people are moving into the cloud, they're writing them under certain assumptions, right? I'm expecting something, some standardized DNS, service discovery, some standardized storage through CSI drivers, and some standardized object storage, right? So, people like their storages like that. So, coming from the legacy world, people used to, okay, I'll buy some appliance, they'll send it to my data center, I'll put it, but if you're moving into the cloud, you don't ship an appliance into AWS data center or Google data center, right? So, you expect also your object storage to be software-defined, and to be able to, that identity department would really like that it's also declarative, right? So, this is where Minayo comes easy, right? So, it's like, okay, I need an object storage for certain business unit, and I need with this capacity, encryption, this certain resiliency capabilities, and that's it, right? It will happen because it's on top of Kubernetes. How important was open source to your company? It was really important, right? Building trust from the community, being like, okay, I understand why this thing is so fast and so reliable, right? Being able to see and then people contributing, right? If we make a mistake, we find out within minutes. So, if we break something in our releases and we make a bad release, right? The community within 30 minutes will be like, this broke, right? So, we'll be like, okay, that's true. We'll patch it and make another release. So, that's the value of open source, right? With open source, when will we know that some obscure pattern header and some API broke? We wouldn't be able, right? So, the community is actually like contributing back to us and helping us hardening our software. Final question, how has cloud native technologies helped you guys be successful? I mean, obviously, you have an alternative to AWS, but cloud native has also been growth with CNCF. How important has that been to your success? So, I think what has made me successful is that all these other cloud native technologies are acknowledging that, okay, I can build now different products that rely on top of object storage. And I need a component that can go along with me, right? Have you seen all of these other projects that say, well, this is how you could do it against object storage? And here's an example with Minio, right? Because they even test their product that way. So, that's how it has been benefiting us, that the open source community also see us as a reliable alternative of, doesn't matter if you're running my product on premise, on this cloud provider, on this other one, as long as you have Kubernetes around, or even if it's very metal, but we have a Minio around, things will just work, right? And this is how we've been seeing it helping us. Daniel, thanks for coming on theCUBE, great to see you. Thank you. Welcome to the first time on theCUBE, Daniel Minio, engineer in the trenches, making code. Are you shifting left, making sure everything's secure? Yes. All right. Security, data, AI, cloud native, open source, all magical pieces of the equation here at theCUBE here in an open source summit. We'll be right back with more after the short break.


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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Think Tech Hawaii studios for another amazing episode of Security Matters Hawaii. My guest today is a sought-after speaker nationally, internationally. She's an expert in child exploitation, and I'm happy to have Perry after I've joined this day. Perry, thank you very much. Well, I appreciate it, Andrew. It was a very kind intro. The Internet has caused a lot of people a lot of problems. We hear it constantly about business compromise. We hear the cybersecurity breaches. Adults have their own set of responsibilities, but children are often just not aware of everything that's thrown their way as far as compromising them, compromising who they are, exploiting what they do. So, we're going to get into this, and I know this is for, I think, for everyone. It's sort of a difficult topic, and I think that that's perhaps why it doesn't get the discussion that it deserves. So thank you again for joining us today. What's your take on the conversation? Is it gaining traction? Is it getting broader? Well, there are two parts of the conversation. One is what you talk to kids about, about how to be safer, privacy settings, protecting their own reputation, respect for themselves and others. And the second more serious issue is what happens behind the scenes. The creeps that are out there, cyber-bullying, death threats, putting somebody's head on someone else's naked body, those are a lot more serious, and we talk about that less on television and the media than we should, because that's a very difficult conversation to have. Yeah, and do you think that it, is it because it strikes home? I think that most people don't do this, and so they're shocked that someone would, so they'd rather sort of hide from it maybe perhaps rather than address it head on, take those conversations home with their own children or make sure that these conversations are being had in their schools. What's your feeling about that? I agree. They're very hard conversations. A lot of teachers and others who do programs in schools and even parents who want to talk to their kids don't know how to do it, and they also feel intimidated thinking the kids know more about technology. They may, but we know more about life. So we need to recognize the risks.  You'll talk to a lot of cyber safety experts who've been in it almost as long as I have 25 years, and they'll tell you that it's not really happening because they get a lot of funding from the Googles and from the Facebook to say it's not happening. So the conversation needs to be had in the same way that good touch, bad touch, needs to be had, and what you do online stays online. And at the same time, we need to have these conversations with professionals who may be able to stop the real cyber crimes from occurring. In your experience with these platform owners, I'm sure they're not trying to promote this behavior, but what's your sense that they feel responsible for their tool being leveraged? And do they say, well, that's just the way it is? Or do you think that there's an active effort to find and take down people that are being predatorial or posting inappropriate, targeting children with inappropriate material? Well, Vince Cerf, the man who invented TCPIP, the internet, has put together a group called the People-Centered Internet. And there are a few of us he asked and involved. I tend to be the cyber safety not smartest person in the room. Everybody else is a scientist and brilliant world leader. But he is trying to make sure that the digital technology that he helped construct can be used in positive ways and not used in dangerous ways. And Tim Berners-Lee, the person who invented the web, it has the same thing. He has an NGO that does that. Now, the industry, our parents, their people too, and they care about these issues, but they care a lot more about being free of liability. And there's a law in the United States called the Communications Decency Act, Section 230, that gives absolute immunity to any of the providers for whatever they do to keep things or take things down in their own judgment. They don't have to do a thing and you can't sue them about it.  But there are a lot of things, cyber bullying, videos of deaths and self-harm that are not covered by those exceptions. And as long as they don't have liability for them, they're only going to do what's good for business. Wow. Is there an appetite for a change to that law? I know that's the perspective that you bring to this issue. And I know there's an appetite probably from the public, but what about the business community and the shareholders? Well, you know what's interesting. The digital providers are lining up. So the IBMs and Cisco's of the world really are unhappy about the tech clash that we're seeing against the reputation of all tech providers. And they do something about 230. So they're really doing the right thing and they're on the hill talking and they're talking to me and others. But the Facebooks and the YouTubes really need that in place because they don't want liability and they're already spending as much as they're willing to spend on taking down radicalization, massacre videos, putting a kid's head on somebody else's naked body, whatever. And so we're getting them to line up and do something and Congress is starting to listen. But the problem is people don't know about it. Yeah. And as long as they don't know about it, they're not going to complain and make a lot of noise. So we're going to start that education today. Yeah. I do wonder if the, you know, our congressional leaders tend to be older and I don't know if they're as up to date with what you can actually do with these platforms and how powerful they are. And many times the kids are as good at evading detection for the things they're doing or better than maybe their parents are trying to find out what their children are doing online. Is there a, when I asked about an appetite, do you think we'll see a push back into the corporate America? You think that they can be regulated or you think it just has to be done like sort of under the FCC constraints or something like that? Well, the Federal Trade Commission has something called COPPA, the Children's Online Privacy. And they've now asked for comments from us as to whether it's good enough and it regulates kids under the age of 13 preteens. So the question is, should it be for older kids as old as 15, 16? What do parents need notifications on? When do they have to give absolute consent? And how much of that's privacy versus how much is safety? So we're now looking, there's going to be a hearing in October and a lot of us are putting in comments and C and in other countries around the world, they're putting a lot, a lot stricter rules now because everyone's concerned about what's happening to kids and the trust to the industry seems to have been misplaced. Yeah, I was having a discussion that we haven't, we in the security sector, we sort of let cybersecurity get ahead of this by not paying attention to it for decades. And now the privacy discussion has also gotten in front of the security industry and we didn't address it first. So it's going to be taught to us. And it seems that that idea could also be expanded into technology itself where the, because these things weren't taken care of and because criminals learned how to leverage them against children and against all of us for that matter, you know, we've got to come backwards in it. It seems to take so much longer to fix something from the backside. And I don't know if in your estimation or maybe changes to these laws to expand protection or expand the age groups they protect. Is this a decades long sort of battle? We have to fight with the technology companies or is it something that you think can move a little quicker? Well, I think it's an ongoing battle. And we do it up top down and from the middle in both directions. So we're looking at the government putting in new rules that looks like there's some appetite for using digital best practices, cyber safety standards as a basis for what these the industry players have to do. And it just so happens, the new charity we're forming is putting those standards together. And I hope, Andrew, you're going to help us with that and in regard and everybody out in Hawaii that cares can weigh in as to what they need. We also need people to start talking about what's going on, what they like, what they don't like, what they want the schools to do, how better secure they need to be in the middle in both directions. We need to start coming up with standards, training and certifications in cyber safety and the same way we do in cyber security and privacy. So it's time not to think that that's just kids putting a computer in a central location. There's a lot more to it. We're talking about lives and the future reputations of our kids. Yeah, I think I do want to talk about them probably a little more in the second part of our of our broadcast today. But the idea that parents or teachers or administrators, for that matter, think that we are supervising these kids very well. I think that the kids are fairly adept at disguising things that they know are on the on the edge of what they should or shouldn't be doing. Perhaps normal human mode is just like desire or curiosity to explore things. It takes takes these kids to places that are waiting for them. And the kids just don't know that that's the intent of what's the of the material that's there.  We used to hide under the mattress. We're talking about the bad guys who to our kids bedrooms and their backpacks and our purses through these hand devices where kids are taking pictures and sharing them and taking their clothes off at the age of 10, because somebody asked them to. We need to recognize that people are getting in our homes and our lives and into our children's hearts through this technology. And we need to train our kids directly. We need to train their friends how to keep them safe. And we need to know enough and be comfortable enough sitting rules and saying, I'm the parent. I'm not your best friend. Yeah, it's interesting to me how many I see fairly young children with with mobile phones. And, you know, I think they're definitely under 10. And it kind of amazes me that the parents allow them to sort of I see them just sitting around the mall or even sitting like after school around the school. And I'm stunned that I think that there's a lack of knowledge out there. So we do have to work on it from all levels, for sure. What's been the sort of the biggest trend you know, I know that more and more young adults are being targeted more and more often. So it seemed like cyber bullying was sort of on the radar for a while. What what other trend do you feel is sort of risen up or is increasing that people aren't aware of? Well, sexting, sex distortion and sexed bullying. So sexting when kids are taking naked or sometimes sexually explicit and sometimes just suggestive images of themselves. You might find a group of 12 year old girls who want the attention of the seniors on the football team or a boy or a girl who are taking it because they're in love or they have a relationship. Boys do it to show everybody what they're missing. If they don't go out with them, girls do it often to get attention or because they're asked or being coerced.  But once they're out, they get into the hands of traditional sexual predators who are now blackmailing our kids for more images or to meet them in real life to engage in sex. And these predators, high school students or their peers who are blackmailing them as well.   And they'll do it to their reputation. Hmm. This is something else. So we're talking with Perry Aftab here. We're talking about child exploitation and specifically the Internet and child exploitation. We're covering some great ground. We're going to take a break, pay some bills. We'll be back in one minute. Sit tight. Thanks to our ThinkTech underwriters and grand tours, the Atherton Family Foundation, Carol Mun Lee and the Friends of ThinkTech, the Center for Microbial Oceanography, Research and Education, Collateral Analytics, the Cook Foundation, Dwayne Kurisu, the Hawaii Community Foundation, the Hawaii Council of Associations of Apartment Owners, Hawaii Energy, the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum, Hawaiian Electric Company, Integrated Security Technologies, Galen Ho of BAE Systems, Kamehameha Schools, MW Group, the Shidler Family Foundation, the Sydney Stern Memorial Trust, Volo Foundation, Yuriko J. Sugimura. Thanks so much to you all. We're back with Security Matters Hawaii and today we're talking with expert Perry Aftab about Internet and Child Exploitation. Perry, you've worked hard on the laws in this country. You've seen it evolve. You've taken your focus from Internet protection down to, I think, really protecting children on the Internet. And I know we want to talk a little bit about the foundation that you're setting up. But I think you mentioned something right before we went to break about the age ranges of some of these children that are maybe bullying each other and then these images that they're taking or sharing are getting picked up by true predators who then start to blackmail them. Is this expanding? Are we getting kids younger and younger and younger? I mean, I said I've seen them, you know, very young children with these mobile phones and I'm surprised that they have them. Should we just expect these trends to follow the, you know, the younger you give them, they're going to figure out how to do these things? Yes, unfortunately, it's not just a mobile phone. It's a lot of the tablets that parents think are harmless with Wi-Fi phones. And so I had lunch the other day with the head of the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force here in New Jersey. And John was explaining to me that he's seeing sexting as young as eight and nine. Wow. Now, the youngest is a 10-year-old.  Posing without bras when they don't need them, but they're doing it because they're being sexualized. The Internet's forcing a lot of different looks and poses and the rest on them. And the demands are being paid by boys and girls of each other. And the Internet's an easy way to do it, somehow thinking that what you do in the privacy of your bathroom or your bedroom, and when no one else is looking, doesn't count, but those images are real. Yeah. And they never go away. I saw Europol took down a pretty large European group recently. What's the feeling from the Task Force director you spoke with? Is there a lot of this that's housed in the U.S., or is a lot of it going overseas, or is it some of both? Well, sex trafficking tends to be housed around the world less in the United States than it is in other places. There was years ago when UNESCO put me in charge of sexual crimes against children for the United States. A lot of it was being housed in Japan because they had faster and more secure networks. However, sexting issue that's now turning into a lot of images, Interpol had five million images, and they couldn't tell if they were sex-trafficked images or kids who took them voluntarily because they had too much to drink at a party. So when law enforcement doesn't know to investigate and what to do about it, we're in serious trouble. Especially if the volume is that high. Are the platform providers, are they actively helping with these investigations when it comes their way? I know we talked a little bit about how they don't want to be regulated, but are they willing to help in these investigations in your experience when it comes their way? Or does it have to be taken and drugged from court?  What we're doing as part of this new charity we're setting up is we're creating standards and I have some of the leading experts in the world working with me on creating what the standards need to be for the industry to work with law enforcement on investigation. So I have John Ryan, who headed the National Center for Missing and Supported Children. Bob Schilling, who Bob was succumbed to, Interpol for the Crimes Against Children we have. Ron Laney and Ron had run DOJ on these issues forever. And so many of the other experts, John Rouse out of Australia, RCMP, Home Office, we're all getting together. We're going to come up with what we think the rules should be and I think enough of us make noise. They will become the rules. Good. And is the international community willing to play out? I see more activity, truthfully, from Interpol and Europol about these sort of takedowns or these investigations and even publishing, hey, we're looking for people.  So it seems like there's a great appetite internationally. Is a lot of the traffic and activity running internationally? Is that why we need that support? Or is it just more visible because they're crossing so many, I guess, legal, you know, I guess technology boundaries, right? You're crossing different providers and things like that as you move material, you know, outside the U.S. into Europe, for example. Well, a lot of it has always come from outside of the U.S. Kips, the very first program to use things around you and environments to find sexual, sexually trafficked kids, came out of Canada with a plea to Bill Gates. But dealing with smaller countries, it's more obvious. The United States is very fractured. We tend to be less supportive of law enforcement in this country than we should be. And I think we need to put up walls to law enforcement, being able to get the information they want. Those walls don't exist as much outside of the United States. They tend to allow government, including law enforcement, to have more information than we're comfortable doing in the United States. That has to change. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, kids are our top priority. Saving a life, saving a future for a child comes before politics. Yeah, and saving just one. You know, we've got a few thousand that live on the streets here in Hawaii in Honolulu. And it's sad. You know, there's a lot of outreach that goes out to them, but they're, you know, they're safer on the street than they feel like they are at home. And so they just won't go home. And that's always a hard-working story. They may be safer on the streets or at least a different kind of risk. When you trust somebody and hope that they're going to love you and take care of you and they don't, that betrayal is very different. But even street children in Delhi and in Mumbai and India have access to cell phones that somebody's discarded. And although they don't have providers, they have SIM cards. And the SIM cards are stored with grooming images of videos of children being raped that will help less perhaps their resistance to being the next victim. Wow. That's so sad. What levels of outreach are happening for the kids? I know at some of the schools, and I don't know if it's private schools, public schools, what's your feeling about the outreach and the education? You know, are we just hitting them once a year at the beginning of the school year? Is there ongoing programs you're aware of that we could emulate and maybe talk about to educators here in Hawaii? I hate to keep saying our new charity. However, whatever we've been doing for 25 years hasn't been working. We have programs where kids teach each other. We teach 14 to 16 year olds to go down to the grammar schools and teach the other kids to be safer. My grandson's just started the cyber safety agents program this weekend where my grandson said he's the CEO. He's turning eight this week. And he wants their kids to keep their homes more secure and keep an eye on the cyber bullies. We even have a therapy dog program. That's the cyber safety service dog program where people who have therapy dogs can go into schools, hospitals, community groups. We'll teach them about the cyber safety messaging and they bring a dog to help the kids heal for all of the bad stuff that they may encounter. So we're going to throw everything we can at the wall and whatever works we're going to keep. And our model of we're all unpaid volunteers works pretty well. But Hawaii's been ignored far too often. You have a multicultural space. It's really you've got aboriginal values. You have really some amazing things as people come in from all over the world and build a community that protects their land, their ocean and their children. So it's time we create something special. So you invite me out. We'll do some snorkeling create some programs at the same time. Yeah, we'll have some an aloha chapter for sure of your organization. I think the idea of kids teaching kids is so important because there's a there's a natural wall that drops. I think when you are not an adult talking down to a child and not many of us are schooled and how to teach children. And we probably lapse into the, you know, talking down voice maybe too quickly. How's the success been? I did see that you're I saw you're actually that your grandson posted that he was the CEO is on LinkedIn. I was amazed by that. How's.  He has a lot more. Our Teen Angels program are 13 to 18 year old kids and they testified before Congress. They speak at the United Nations. They speak at Parliament and House of Lords. They create programs. They sit on boards. They have been the voice of this so for so long. But now the younger kids are saying, wait a minute, you know, we want to make sure our house is safer. We want to make sure our friends are safer. We have a voice here. So we're using animations of the cyber safety service dog teaching those kids about cyber safety so they can teach it others. They'll get badges. I created many years ago the program for the Girl Scouts of the USA and it's old and it's now down. I think it's time to do another one. We need to reach out to all of the groups, the faith based groups, youth pastors, the Scouts on both sides, any of the service organizations for H anything that has kids together and let's arm them with the information they need to keep their own kids safe. Happy to share. I think it's a great idea. Perry, I look forward to helping out with this. We'll get the Hawaii chapter started for you. I truly appreciate you taking time to chat with us today. We've got about 30 seconds left if you want to make one last plug for the charity. Okay, brand new. It's sites not even up other than watch this space. It's called cyber safety.org. We're all unpaid volunteers. We're going to be training and certifying and getting out there together. We're going to own this issue and we're going to keep our kids safe. And Andrew, I couldn't do it without you. We all need to work on this one together, folks. They said it takes a village to raise a child and it takes a village to keep them safe as well. Thanks everybody. We'll see you next week. We'll be a GSX. Perry, I know you'll be up there speaking as well. So we'll be in Chicago, but we'll be back in a few weeks. Thanks for joining us today. Aloha, everybody. Take care.


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