All right, so we're wrapping up our lesson on tithing and I thought that we would take the principles that we've learned over the last Three weeks, so we've looked through the scripture and then build on them this morning with respect to Christian giving now and how Christian giving sort of puts a capstone over this issue So we'll talk about that today and then any questions or any issues that you want to discuss or any questions You have please feel free to email me or call me and we can talk about those But give me some principles now as we've done each of the weeks I want to again the more that we repeat these things the more that we go over them the more that they'll be rooted and grounded in your memory and in your mind First of all give me the the texts that teach tithing before the mosaic law Give me some texts that teach tithing that we see before the mosaic law anyone Anyone yes, Miss Anya Okay, well that's under the mosaic law, so Leviticus 27 definitely teaches us that yes Yes, Genesis 14 and Genesis 28 so Genesis 14 with Abraham very good Genesis 28 with Jacob We see an offering if you will or tithes starting with Cain and Abel in the garden we drew some principles from that text And so we see tithing taught before the mosaic law we see tithing taught under the mosaic law Right we looked at several at several of those texts a couple of weeks ago And then last week we looked at several texts in the New Testament remind me of some of those texts were the New Testament. Yes Yep Matthew 23 we saw Jesus Not abrogating the tithe but really upholding the tithe before his disciples and the multitudes that have gathered in his Rebuke of the Pharisees and we went through that. What's another pivotal text in the New Testament with respect to tithing? Yes, Hebrews chapter 7 very good, so Hebrews chapter 7 and Hebrews chapter 7 is sort of an exegesis on Genesis 14 and Abraham tithing to Melchizedek So you keep these texts sort of in your mind and then what each of those texts teaches But give me now some principles we talked about crossing the principalizing bridge and Deriving from those texts the principles that would apply to us in our day in our context Give me some of those principles that apply Yes, so it's an act of worship on the part of Abraham In that tithing to Melchizedek and then the text we looked at in Hebrews 7. There's also Like a better way of saying an ecclesiastical hierarchy or a spiritual authority that you're tithing to so yeah We see that in that account with Abraham and tithing to Melchizedek Yeah, that brings up another really good point It's that the Lord said it under the mosaic law didn't he that The reason that he gave the tithe was to teach the people how to fear the Lord so with fear there's a Legitimate fear there. We don't want to disobey the Lord and draw God's displeasure God's disciplining and so it's a legitimate fear But it also carries reverence carries respect carries a worshipful attitude. So yeah tithing is a part of worship It teaches us to fear the Lord What else can you think of principles that we drew from those texts? Don't be bashful. Yes It's an act of faith very good Just and we saw that a lot in Jacob didn't mean Genesis chapter 28 The Lord's gonna do these things for me. He's gonna bring me into my land back into my father's house Here's all the Lord is gonna do for me and because the Lord has promised to do these for me I'm going to tithe It's an act of faith in the Lord's promises that Jacob tithed and we saw from that too Didn't we from Genesis 14 with Abraham Genesis 28 with Jacob? under the mosaic covenant and then even in the New Testament how it's associated with God's promises that God Abraham had made a vow With God and so tithe the ball that he had that it spoils of war Jacob the Lord Repeated the Abrahamic covenant to Jacob and as a result in response to God's covenant with him Jacob gave the tithe and so the same thing under the mosaic covenant in light of the children of Israel being in Covenant with God they tithe the Lord instituted the tithe as a response to that We have the same thing in the New Covenant with the church in response to our covenant with the Lord as an act of faith And the Lord having done all these things for us having given us everything that we have in response to that covenant We tithe to the Lord right so it was always associated with the Covenant. What are some other yes? Faith in God. Yeah, there's an act of faith Tithing was always the tenth right pretty simple straightforward principle But we see that before the law under the law after the law that tithing represented the tenth associated with the Covenant Tithing was from the first or best and we talked about that a tithing was made to that That ecclesiastical authority or that spiritual authority and so that's where we get the idea that tithes come into the church in our day and age That's the church It was never abrogated by the New Testament So it's never taken away And we saw in three different texts where it's talked about Two specific texts where it appears to be taught clearly And so never abrogated by the New Testament and clearly taught by the New Testament so the conclusion that we came to And we'll get something out with respect to this so that you can refer to it when you need to Tithing continues for the Christian today tithing is commanded by the Lord for the Christian today now we Took principles from the scripture to come to that conclusion Similar to as we looked at remember the laws around divorce Divorce and marriage right that we looked at that text in Matthew 19 with respect to that similar to the fact With um or not similar to foot washing or to head coverings We looked at the difference between the principles taught about tithing and the real principles behind foot washing or head coverings So we all those connections. So if tithing continues in for the Christian today Then here's an implication that we can draw from the New Testament teaching on giving and here's where I want to go to today tithing then is the base Or the foundation or the minimum then On which we build the New Testament builds Christian giving or the base or the foundation on which The New Testament teaches Christian giving. Okay, here's what I mean by that important reports related to giving We've learned the tithe and the tithe specifically commanded by God But in the New Testament we have teaching on Christian giving That teaching on giving in the same way that the tithe is is taught across different times and different contexts We see giving throughout the Old Testament before the law. Where do we see giving before the law? Abraham See giving with adam Abel came and able right Noah we see several examples before the law. We see giving Under the law above and beyond the tithe. Don't we? Giving for what you remember different things that the Israelites gave for Gave for the poor They gave it as an act of worship. What do they give toward it wasn't they weren't giving the tithe There was giving above and beyond the tithe to the Old Testament under the law. Yes, Brenda Yeah, building of the temple. They gave the rebuilding of the temple. They gave to the rebuilding of the wall under Nehemiah So several things that the Israelites gave for above and beyond the tithe and then we see Christian giving Taught in the the New Testament also after the law And so teaching in the New Testament Leads us beyond the tithe into Christian giving Tithe then becomes a minimum and I want to look at several texts with respect to that The first is 1st Corinthians chapter 16. There are several texts in the New Testament that talk about giving And here's an important principle to remember that Although these texts are talking about giving They're not talking about giving In place of the tithe These texts assume the tithe And are now teaching giving for a specific purpose and we see these specific purposes listed for us in each of the texts that we'll look at The tithe is Assumed if you will the tide has been commanded. It's a part of regular practice Um, and then Christian giving is taught beyond that. So in 1st Corinthians chapter 16 Look at verse one And somebody read for us versus one through four nice and loud versus, hey brother Versus one through four nice and loud. Who's got that? Yes. Thank you, buddy Okay, thank you, brother. So in verses one through here now someone might say That because this text Deals with giving and says nothing about tithing then tithing must be done away with in the In the church age or done away with in the New Testament. Um, it's not the case We're not to assume That because something isn't mentioned in the text that it's done away with Um That would lead us into a lot of error. All right tithing here is we've already established You've got to keep these things in your mind We've already established that tithing taught before the law under the law after the law Because of all those good and proper principles that we looked at it's an act of worship It's an act of faith the reasons that let the lord put it in place all those things Apply and so the tithe here even in the church at Corinth Is still applicable the tithe is still going on Here is a text where there is um a necessity for the people to give Above and beyond the tithe somebody remind me uh in malachi chapter three We look briefly at that text in malachi The lord rebuked the children of israel And was about to judge the children of israel because they didn't bring the whole tithe into the storehouse But what else were they not bringing into the storehouse? tithes and offerings right Same principle here tithe becomes a minimum Offerings or giving is above and beyond the tithe So because this text just because this text doesn't Speak of the tithe the tithe here is assumed we're talking about something entirely different now in first chrithian 16 verse 1 through 4 With respect to christian giving Give me some principles that we can draw from this text want to do this the same way that we Have done the other text so far if you're going to do Make observations on this text you're going to do a bible study on your own on christian giving And you're going to look at several texts with related to christian giving You want to make observations on the text and draw principles out of the text that relate to christian giving So give me some of those principles that you see In verses 1 through 4 here Okay, so first day of the week. What when does that tell you that they worshiped? Yeah on sunday So this is again the church at cornyth is worshiping on sunday and they're to take tithes On the first day of the week when they come together for worship. So what does that tell you? That giving here the giving that they're going to take what does that tell you that the giving is? Yeah, it's corporately and it's an act of Horrible way to ask that question. Sorry. It's an act of worship. It's associated with their worship, right? So they're doing it corporately. It's associated with their worship their worship is on the first day of the week And so again, we see same principle. Don't we it's an act of worship First basic principle. I guess you could draw is it is above the tithe And if you haven't been able to be here for all three weeks Call me or email me. I'll get you those notes for the last three weeks The tithing issue is pretty clear in scripture unless you come to These various texts with an agenda Then the it's clear the bible teaches tithing teaches before under and after the law It's been pretty clearly established So if you need help with that or you missed a couple of those lessons Let me know because when we get to christian giving now christian giving is built upon Above the tithe. Okay, so it's an act of worship. It was to be collected on the first day collected at worship It's done corporately as an act of worship What other principles do you see there? Yes Okay, so it's four Saints and here's specifically a group of saints right that are in need. So for Saints in need I guess we could put What are the principles? Can you see there? Don't be bashful Pardon me Very good. So as god Has prospered explain what that means Yeah, yeah, so now god Prosperes in different ways doesn't he? um Has the lord prospered bill gates? Yes, um, does bill gates use what the lord has given him for god's glory? Not necessarily So yeah, god prospers us in different ways and so Um god may prosper you with great wealth or he may prosper you with great property Um But as the lord has prospered Where to give some of you are able to give more than others are you of you are able to give When it comes to giving you have the minimum of a 10 percent Obligation so to speak but above that it really is according to what the lord has given you There's some that you're just struggling to make ends meet every week You've cut your expenses down to the bare minimum and you're doing everything you can just to provide for your family and to give And don't have a lot left over There are others who have a lot left over and are able to give more So we're to give as god has prospered and that's for you to determine That's between you and god. You've got to determine you're being faithful in that. What is what's another principle? You can go ashley and then rebecca Yes Yeah personal responsibility very good Does everybody get that Personal responsibility so let each one of you each person has a responsibility to do this so when a need arises we are to think Am I able to give to this need if you're able to give then give we each one have a personal responsibility to give So we're not to think A need arises. Well, I know my brother is going to give so I'm okay not to give Or I'll maybe I'll get them on the next one because I know we'll have enough money from No, we have that kind of mindset. We don't collect what we need to collect So let each one you have a personal responsibility To give and then you give in your personal responsibility to give you give as god has prospered you right So yeah personal responsibility to give Very good. Yeah, very good. So it's regular in order to do that It needs to be planned, right? Which means that it's thoughtful Um, we're to give spontaneously when a need arises and there'll be needs that arise where you can just give spontaneously But what's being alluded to here and versus one through four is a planned thought out Determined amount it means that you think yourself. Okay, you know, here's my budget Here's how much I know that I have left over. Here's what I think I can cut or not cut and here's what I'm going to give it's a determined Action of your mind and your will in giving right? It's not that you're going to and listen it's not you're going to come and um, you know that at the end of the month, let's say for example Um, with the income that I have I have a hundred dollars of discretionary income every month That I can just do with whatever I want to do and so a need rises up you say I'm going to give it I'm going to commit myself to two hundred and fifty dollars Okay, no, you can't it's as god has prosper prospered Um, and it's going to be thought out. It's going to be thoughtful. It's going to be planned It's going to be considering what you're able to give the lord doesn't want you to be Irresponsible with your money He wants you to give as the lord has prospered We'll see other principles here that talk about giving out of your poverty even giving sacrificially But if you don't have it or then you don't give it, right? So it's going to be regular planned thoughtful. Very good. What are some other principles you see? Yeah, robinson Yeah, very good. So they've got a need and someone From the church here paul specifically and someone they designate is going to take that collection and then go and deliver it Right, so there's a an appointed person. I guess you could say to collect and all this points to um Intentional the deliberate way in which they did it somebody else had a hand up. Yes, Ben Okay. Yeah, universal for the church is very good and um, so you must do Uh commanded right somebody else Pardon me Amen. Yeah, it's a priority Very good There to prioritize this something else. Yes, Clyde and then Jeff No, I mean I under this particular situation it would have been But um, there may be situations where you can give time give resources All kinds of ways to give right when somebody needs Um food for example, we've got a food pantry. So it could be giving food So you have a very good point It could be I mean in essence with christian giving you're meeting a need And you're meeting that in whatever way that you can Well, you need food. I don't have money. So I can't no I can give you food I invite you over to dinner, you know There's all kinds of ways that we can give so you have a very good point Jeff to hit them Yeah, they're to lay it aside very good. So to be good stewards Okay, we get the idea Okay, so now these principles you can note right off the bat too A lot of these principles apply to giving in the same way that they applied to tithing Some of the same principles that we drew from those texts relating to tithing We draw the same principles from these texts related to giving Okay, so Again principles there. Let's look at the next text second chrithian's chapter eight another couple of things when it says each of you um Each of you In first chrithian 16 points that no one being excluded So that each person, you know each of you so personal responsibility. No one excluded um As god has prospered proportionate giving and proportionate to the The way the lord has blessed us were to give But in um second chrithian's chapter eight, we have another example here And again through this whole chapter And so what I think we do we'll do here is um, let me read this first section And then we'll just do the same thing as we look through for principles Find principles in the passes that relate to giving that we can draw from the text So it says in verse one for a second chrithian's chapter eight verse one Um more over brethren We make known to you the grace of god bestowed on the churches of mastodonia That in great trial of affliction The abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality For I bear witness that according to their ability. Yes and beyond their ability. They were freely willing Imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints And not only as we had hoped but they first gave themselves to the lord and then to us by the will of god And so we urged titus that as he had begun so he would also complete this grace in you as well But as you abound in everything in faith and speech and knowledge and all diligence and in your love for us See that you abound in this grace also. So that is a power pack first, you know seven verses there So let's take that one seven verse chunk and do the same thing now think through as you're looking verse by verse Sort of clause by clause through this text Give me some observations that you can make about christian giving from second chrithian's chapter eight verses one through seven Yes, ma'am Yeah, I'm motivated by god's grace. Okay, so that's very good And it's interesting there that um paul A called giving a grace Let me explain what that means He says abound in this grace also, right? See that you abound in this grace also. What does he mean by that? What does he mean by calling giving a grace? Good then Yeah, very very good. And so What grace might be dispensed from god through faithfulness in giving I heard some initial but I can I could make it out ben and then rebecca Yes, so certainly to the people that you're giving to like there's that's the grace of god to them Right the lord uses the instrumentality of his people to edify the saints and to build them up But what about like to me personally if I am faithful in giving What grace from the lord comes to me as a result of being faithful in giving? I'm going to give you know above and beyond the tithe of christian Okay Amen, so how many of you you don't have to raise your hand to this but how many of you have been The beneficiary of a gift like somebody Provide something for you or give something to you and the lord has used that to bless you right and then think about how That caused a new worship to the lord, right? Thank you lord, you know just have a lord as good to me. Yeah, jesse He should yeah Yeah, yeah, it's a big snowball effect in the church with uh, yeah Loving and giving but yeah, you've been blessed. Um, the lord provides for you. I I've taught your brothers before that Have attested, you know the faithfulness of people in the church to give and how much we love one another a brother will say You know, I didn't know where I was gonna get enough to You know Having the next meal or I was short on my rent or I was short on the electric bill and a check shows up in the mail Many times our brothers and sisters talk about uh, how you Yeah, just put an envelope just an envelope shows up in the offering plate with someone's name on it And um, it's just a gift somebody just knows they're in need Um knows they're having difficulty and so gives to provide for them and it's just a gracious gift And right the bible says don't let your right hand know what your left hand's doing in that sense You're not to trump it or to you know boast in your giving Um, they just do it anonymously and it's just a loving gift to a brother or sister in need and that blesses that brother or sister But now in the lord's grace and mercy to us when you give when we're when you're faithful to give How does that bless you and that part to what christian just said, you know Bolsters our trust in the lord bolsters our faith dorian We're to be faithful in that um and not You don't want to look at this like the prosperity teachers do You know, if you don't have the money listen put it on your credit card because god's going to bless It's not the way that we're to go about this but to dorian's point It's like we're to give abundantly even out of our poverty. We're to give sacrificially Maybe you'll agree with me in this. I've never I've never given to help someone And at the end of the month think to myself, oh man, I shouldn't have done that because you know now I don't have enough for this or don't have enough. It's just not happen. The lord's always been gracious to provide Um, the lord takes care of us in that so yeah a good point brother. Somebody else had their hand up. I miss yeah Good morning, brother. Good to see you man Mm-hmm not gonna become Yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah, and they were joyful in the middle of that. Yeah Yeah, you know it goes back to that issue of the grace that the lord chose to us in faithfulness in this, you know, um That's the thing it's like any other means of grace. I I've thought about often how you know my own life uh evangelism that That person needs the lord they need to be saved They're gonna go to hell if they don't repent and believe in the gospel And how desperate they are needed to hear desperate in need. They are to hear of christ They need the gospel and yet what a blessing it is That the lord gives to me When I evangelize, you know in faithfulness it it grows my faith it grows me in his word It makes me depend on him and trust in him For results of that There's so many blessings that come to the christian for faithfulness in these means of grace and giving is no exception When you give and when you give sacrificially we give joyfully You're gonna be blessed by that The lord just as the way the lord teaches the people to fear the lord in the giving of the tithe We learn to fear and trust the lord and depend on the lord in giving He graces us with that our faith is bolstered when just time and time again the lord provides everything that we need And just takes care of us in that There's great joy here when we just obey the lord and we give to those in need Um, so yeah such grace to us as much as it is edifying to the the saints So what about some of those other principles then? Um I've already mentioned like uh ron just mentioned uh, they gave uh from their poverty. So giving was sacrificial What are some other um, they were joyful in giving What else do you see there? Yeah, an example. So, um, how would we word that? They were um, they in themselves were being an example of Pardon me Yes, they're being commanded. They were that was uh There you go. Yeah It was modeled Yeah Very true Yeah, it's we um, it's part of the christian life that we learn in the soil of suffering and um, yeah, I don't you remember that when it's the lessons that are Best remembered are those that were most difficult to learn There's those hard lessons taught are the ones you don't easily forget What's that? Bought lesson better than a told one. Yeah, okay. That's a wise grandmother. Jen Yeah, amen. It's a model. Yeah, it's a model not just modeled within church, but modeled with the lost world too It's just such a good example Very good What else do you see there somebody else? Yes Yeah, very good Yeah, amen. You know all those things that we're the peter says we're to abound in or to add to our faith Now he's saying abound in this grace also. So what does it mean to abound in giving? Seems pretty straightforward, right? What does it mean to abound in giving? Yeah, do a lot of it, right? So we're going to only do abound in giving we're to do a lot of it tj and include it in there. Yeah, very good Oh gave the lord and then to us gave him gave themselves to the lord and then to us by the will of god Yeah, it's um Yeah, it's interesting that phrase Be taken that way, which is certainly true Like the tithe would be giving to the lord and then the giving of the offering above and beyond the tithe it's almost that um like Paul says that he Obviously was giving them the word of god But they poured themselves out also it's like almost, you know, we pour ourselves out to god And but we were to pour ourselves out to one another also So it's like they because they gave themselves to the lord they poured themselves out for the lord And then by the will of god gave themselves to us It's almost that idea of you know, we become genuine christians pouring ourselves out to the lord But in pouring ourselves out to the lord We're to become as paul says in philippians a drink offering To their service a drink offering to the lord in service to them So that's sort of what that means there but Yeah, yeah so Somebody give us an uh A definition of that that how how is this a fellowship of the ministering of the saints. What does that mean? Oh now It just meant Don't be bashful. I also bashful Yeah, there's something about that, right? It's like um with a lot of other things there's there's We obviously get a lot out of our personal devotions of the lord, right? We read our bible We pray get great great benefit to that uh from that But there's something different about coming together and doing it, right and we gather together on sunday morning for worship as special as that devotional time is worship together Can't forsake that it's just a glorious time of brothers and sisters coming together and worshiping Or there's something about isn't there evangelizing by yourself, which i've done many times Versus evangelizing with someone like with a brother or going out with the church like when you gather at the parks or downtown Uh are showing up on a saturday morning. You've got everybody going together, right? There's just something Uh beneficial something special about doing that together on the same way with giving he's saying here with a fellowship fellowship of the ministry of the saints Is that we're ministering to those in need? But um there's a fellowship among the brothers and sisters doing that together corporately There's something about the body of christ coming together to to do that And if the body of christ is gathered to do that and you're not when you miss out on that fellowship There's a fellowship of ministering together We've seen that in our own church, haven't we many times with many different things The joy of being a part of a church like this Could you be a fervent You know born again following disciple of christ at a church where there is no fellowship and Is no corporate identity and all that kind of stuff.  Well, he's equating the same thing to giving That there's something about our corporate identity as a church when we do that when we commit to that together There's just blessing from the lord in that we're to be in fellowship with one another In ministering to the saints and if you're here and you're not thinking of it that way then you're missing out on that fellowship You know we're our church we want our church to be seen by the lord as fervently evangelistic As biblically astute as hating our sin and loving the word of god We want the lord to be pleased in our fellowship with one another how we love one another We want the lord to be pleased in how we give as a church too, right? We don't want to be known as a stingy ungiving church Corporately we want to be seen in that fellowship together that we're a giving church Someone has a need that need gets met and then people on the outside look at how they love one another Um, so yeah, that's that fellowship of ministering to the saints So all those principles, right? Yeah people Yeah, giving from the heart right instead of that heartless ritualistic empty You know giving for the applause of men, you know kind of the Pharisees were doing This is you know truly from the heart then Oh very good Yeah, and then that um A testimony of their faith Like somebody explained why would that be a testimony of their faith they looked at it that way? I think that's an important point Yeah Yeah, it's almost like an opportunity to exercise faith, right? Is it all the situation is so difficult Um, really really hard. We're in poverty, you know, we have nothing but the lord provides everything we need and so by faith in god is just um I don't know. I can almost imagine them in thanks for in the end state here being excited About the opportunity joyful said freely willing joyful being excited about the opportunity to give Because like the men's point because they were in a trial of affliction and we know the lord is going to take care of us and so just Yeah, being joyful. It wasn't grudging. I mean most of us when we're having difficulty. It's like I gotta give but Just this is not the right time. Just couldn't have come at a worse time. You know that kind of attitude But that wasn't describing them at all. It was like in the midst of their affliction um, they were ready Free willing joyful, um jumping at the opportunity biting at the bit to give As an act of faith in the lord trust in the lord. Um, that's yeah, there's a good example, right? Somebody else had something I missed a hand And a lot of this too, they were several of the churches were coming together And so you had um, you know, this church was to provide their part But churches at galatia were to provide their part It was they were all coming together to do their to give their share so to speak and so Together they would give what was necessary Each individually might not have given enough, you know, and that's so Corporately between the churches they were all to come together to do their part so that they had enough for the saints in jerusalem but um Separately there would have been lack, right? So it's almost like, you know making up for if every church does their part And we've got enough to send jack Yeah, amen So in our giving we're to exemplify or imitate christ. Yes So somebody help us with that. He says in verse eight. I speak not by my commandment But I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others Yes Distinguishes it from the tithe right tithe is something that would be commanded Whereas that which is above the tithe our gifts or offerings would be something that's between us and god our Sort of discretion any It's interesting. Yeah, what is that in line with what annie's saying? What is that phrase? Um, he's testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others What would that what does that mean there? Think about it maybe in terms of what annie just said He's testing the sincerity of their love by the diligence of others going to take a stab at what that is saying If I were spending a little bit of time here, but these are good principles you know we have um Just another issue with uh corporate fellowship in this sense because we have great examples in the church Um, you know, I I I could know or I could gain I could inform my own conscience or inform my own understanding But how by how I watch, you know jack serve the lord Or I could inform my conscience or for my inform my understanding of what it means to you know Fought of the lord by how robinson follows the lord, you know, I could look at examples in the church um And my chief example being christ So we have race of the lord in our church of faithful brothers and sisters like titus too, right older women teaching young women older men teaching younger men just faithful older christians who um provide us with examples to follow and it's almost here paul saying um Testing the sincerity of our love by the diligence of others and then he goes immediately into the supreme supreme example of jesus christ So we look at christ example And we test the sincerity of our own love We look at what christ gave And we test the sincerity of our giving we can also do that with others in the church We have examples in the church of godly men godly women who provide us with examples of how to give and um how to live the christian life And here sort of testing their faith by the diligence of others is using their example specifically the example of christ in relation to how we give and It becomes uh An examination of our own and so we're to do the same thing ourselves Looking at all that christ has given Do i need to hesitate to give No, look at all that christ is given Uh, should i give abundantly or should i give begrudgingly, you know abundantly So we have an example in christ and we also have the example of other faithful brothers and sisters in the church Okay, all right so far so good Okay, let's continue then and yeah in verses eight through fifteen. We see christ example there. Thank you brother Look at verse 16 Thanks be to god verse 16 Who puts the same earnest care for you into the heart of titus for he not only accepted the exhortation But being more diligent he went to you of his own accord and we have sent with him the brother Whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches and not only that But who was also chosen by the churches to travel Travel with us with this gift which is administered to us to the glory of the lord himself and to show your ready mind Avoiding this that anyone should blame us in this lavish gift, which is administered by us Providing honorable things not only inside of the lord, but also in the side of men As we have sent with them our brother whom we've often proved diligent many things But now much more diligent because of the great confidence which we have in you If anyone inquires about titus, he is my partner fellow worker concerning you Or if our brethren are inquired about they are messengers of the churches of the glory of christ Therefore show to them and before the church is the proof of your love and of our boasting on your behalf Again, you know evidence of faith there in verse 24 a proof of your love saying the same kind of thing Um in verse eight, but let's look now the next text is second for any chapter nine So just the following chapter here And again a principles that come from this look at verse one in chapter nine Uh considering the ministering to the saints It is superfluous for me to write to you for I know your willingness about which I boast of you to the Macedonians that Achaea was ready a year ago and your zeal has stirred up the majority Yet I've sent brethren lest our boasting view should be in vain in this respect that as I said you may be ready Lest if some Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared we not to mention you Should be ashamed of this confident boasting. So what is he saying there? What should they be ashamed of? Yeah jack Now prideful giving specifically here, um He's given them a command to be ready and so This should be ashamed right if they're not ready Like if they've not given if they've not prepared themselves, they haven't been thoughtful in that respect. So again, it goes back to this idea Um that we should be prepared that we should be thoughtful Um that we should be doing this on a regular basis It's shameful isn't it if a need comes up and um We have to we give you time we say, okay, we've got a benevolence need. We need to make a collection um We actually need to do that. So we need to do that again at groups this week So there's an opportunity for you to uh exemplify what this verse is teaching. We have a couple of benevolence needs All right, so we're going to take a collection for benevolence needs at groups on tuesday and wednesday Make sure that we've got enough. We started that last tuesday but um in knowing that If we came not knowing that in advance if we came on tuesday or wednesday and no one's prepared to give Is that shameful or not shameful shame shameful Well, we need to be prepared to give knowing that there's a need knowing that we have benevolence needs that need to be met We need to be ready and prepared to give and so what he's saying is that if they're unprepared It's a shameful thing to them be thoughtful, you know be willing be ready Be prepared to give when they come And it tends to show if they're unwilling or not prepared that it's a begrudging obligation Rather than a willing a free willing gift. He says that at the end. He says uh verse five Therefore, I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go ahead of time and prepare your generous gift beforehand Which you had previously promised that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation see that So again, this giving is a matter of generosity Not a matter of begrudging obligation and you show that by your joy and your willingness in Giving your preparedness to give your thoughtfulness in your giving You show that it's a matter of generosity and not a begrudging obligation So he says this in verse six, but I say this he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly And he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully So let each one give as he purposes in his heart Not grudgingly or of necessity for god loves a cheerful giver. So what is verse seven? Give me some observations from verses six and seven that would apply to christian giving You know on a side note, um, this is the way, you know, it's good to read your bible You need to be reading your bible every day just taking in a reading of god's word So you can let the word of christ well and you richly But this is also the way that you study your bible You're going to sit down and do a study of a passage of scripture You just want to sit down and begin to write out observations on that text And so we think about versus let's say you're going to do a bible study now on verses six and seven Give me some observations that you would make from verses six to seven about this text I mean I had a hand over here first and then Dan, who was it that I missed over here?  Sorry brother Yeah Yeah, so explain that principle then if we were to think about a man in terms of giving Yeah Yeah amen Yes, so we're not specifically give with an attitude of what's in it for me And I'm just going to give because of what's in it for me send us your thousand dollar seed You'll reap a five thousand dollar blessing right kind of a kind of a thing We're not to think of it that way, but isn't it true that lord blesses when we're faithful? That's also a sign of a right heart and the lord is concerned with your heart if you So sparingly What does that say about? What does that say about your state of mind or your state of heart if you so sparingly? Not so not trusting god You're so sparingly what else that's another indicator. What is sewing sparingly indicate about your heart condition?  Yeah, maybe yeah, something obvious is that you may be a cheater, you know, you're cheating What else was that? Covetousness. Yeah, it may mean that you're covetous. You're not willing to let go with my money, you know Oh have another master. Yeah, you may be serving your the paycheck serving money instead of serving the lord very good So all those things are you know when you so sparingly sewing sparingly It's probably the fruit of a heart condition. It's not not good. And so when you So bountifully when you so willingly with a cheerful heart it. Yeah, it's just the opposite right like dan's point It's showing a heart that's trusting the lord that's obviously being obedient to the lord fearing the lord because we're doing what the bible says Giving us an instruction here through the example to sew bountifully Um, yeah, you recognize that all you have is the lord's you're to be a good manager of that What else does the sewing bountifully represent? What might that communicate about the condition of your heart? Yeah, steaming others more highly than yourselves. Yeah selfless very good tj And yeah, very good something else. Yes Gratefulness to god. Yeah, it isn't giving a product of gratefulness too. Man. Look at all the lord has done for me I want to give you know Yeah, praise the lord so that yeah, that's a very good point some another observation from verses six and seven there Yeah, very intentional. Yeah, you know, I had heard um a story Uh happened that long ago about a couple.  He completely squandered all of that and the family Went into bankruptcy the man Could no longer provide for his wife or his kids or his household Because he had given everything to this false teacher and he thought the guy wasn't a false teacher obviously but what you know if you if being unwise About giving that way or just you know, not being thoughtful not being prepared not being well planned out What principle or what command did that man violate by giving everything to the church? So to speak what other principle did he neglect what other command that he that he violate? Yes, so yeah, you don't take care of your own household.  We need a thousand channels All right, so i'm just going to be unable to give anything because i've got to be able to pay for right, I mean this is The christian is between that person and god are supposed to think Biblically and think wisely about these things and then give appropriately so very good. What other principles real quick from yeah Oh, yeah, go ahead brother Very good, so explain that to us. What is he saying there? Yeah, amen So now that that requires that requires that every person does their share and so that's what the scripture said earlier um And if we all do our share then that that person that has more to give It's going to make up for my lack if I have less to give or vice versa But we've got to all do our share. Um, what does that remind you of? Pardon me Yes, definitely serving the widows. We got to be faithful to that Sergio That's not what i'm getting at yet tj And i'm i'm i'm doing a bad job of asking questions today That's a whole different track brother, but i appreciate the input Yeah, yeah, but that is true, so thank you brother for I was thinking about the gifts in the church. I'm just not with it today Yeah, you know the lord the lord gifts each one Um to specifically employ their gifts in the church and so where I may have one gift another person has another gift Those gifts are the lord puts together to be for the benefit of the body to be compatible And but every person has to do their share in employing their gifts Sort of the same thing with with giving in the church the lord gives to people in various ways But and according to how god has prospered you year to give and so that when we all do our share No one lacks it's interesting in the old testament with israel oftentimes when they give the bible records that they gave more Than was necessary. They actually had to stop the giving because the people gave so much and they had more than what they needed Yes Everybody had need. Yeah, so yeah, the lord just works that way. All right We're out of time, but thank you guys so much and uh, hopefully that's been helpful And we'll get a little position paper out here soon that'll explain all that and if you have questions again Let me know so let's pray and get back to worship. So father in heaven. Thank you for this time together Lord, thank you for your word again and how clear it is on instructing us and help us lord not to be Negligent in this grace of giving But to fellowship with one another in ministering to the saints through faithfulness and giving Knowing lord to that's a means of grace that used to edify and build us up and build us up in the faith And conform us into the image of christ who is our great example So help us in these things and help us not to be negligent and when there's A need let us not be ashamed at how we respond But let us be faithful to you and take joy in that Our boasting is in the lord lord all that you've given us And we're just grateful to you for all that we have all that you've provided for us And so we want to give back to you as an act of worship as an act of faith in trusting you Or to just joyfully Knowing lord that christ our great example that gave all for us. So thank you lord in jesus name


You're listening to barbell logic brought to you by barbell logic online coaching where each week We take a systematic walk through strength training and the refining power of voluntary hardship Welcome to barbell logic podcast. I'm Scott Hamburg That ever there's Matt Reynolds and as always we were saying interesting things before we turn the mic on and we're gonna let you in Mid-conversation and mad conversation as we do because this is how Scott and I talk over zoom By the way count I'm getting tired to zoom aren't you again? I'm ready to like sit down have a cup of coffee with somebody else Oh sure in person. Oh Yeah, we resumed our we have a We have a Monday card game every Monday. We play cards with some friends and we put we we kick that back off By the way, what I played cards with you once what was the name of that game we played? We were playing we playing wizard. No That's it. Yeah, is that what we were playing? Yeah, that's what I played with you Yeah, and we played with Alice and Paula. Do you remember you won that time? So I can't wait the next time I Had never played it.  It was a fun like strategy game. No, we I was telling the story of my daughter my 15 year old daughter is She's got mama's genetics, right beautiful and she's 15, of course we home school and But she She loves nerdy Guys, I'm like, thank you Jesus Yeah, and I and I see these guys that You know like like prototypical bad boys like my daughter and she's not interested not interested at all She's 15 pushing 16 and she's my daughter looks like a professional crossfitter like it's again It's Rachel's genetics. Let's go wait Rachel look like in heist. As a matter of fact, Katelyn is more Jacked than Rachel was she just jacked and she's done gymnastics and stuff She never I can't get her to live. She'll screw around a little bit in the gym But for the most part she didn't care But she loves these little like nerdy Redheaded literally redhead Freckly just got a 33 on the ACT Boys, that's what she likes, which is great because they don't have any clue.  Here's the weird thing. I've talked about even on this podcast my 15 year old daughter not a great work ethic. I Hate it. I wish it wasn't the case We've modeled good work ethic mama works hard daddy works hard Katelyn doesn't work hard. Here's the interesting thing that's happened over the last couple weeks during kind of the COVID Katelyn's interested in making some money But if I'm like, hey, I'll pay you X amount of money to go out and pick up the dog shit out of the yard She's like, ah, not really interested. Sure.  It's a little sister picks that one up. That's a job a nine-year-old can do So we bought a composter a couple months ago beginning of the season And it was it was a pretty in-depth composter You know that you spin and stuff and I was like, you know, I'll pay you to build this I think I told this story So I'll pay you this much to build it and if you have to get help from me I'm going to reduce it by $10 and if I you know, if I actually have to Build some of it. I'm going to reduce the pay even more, but I'll pay you this much. But I said 50 bucks or something But then yeah She put it together great. Mm-hmm.  Mm-hmm. If you need help It's gonna reduce your pay She went out there and worked Like she was a sharecropper For two for like two and a half hours like not even that long And she's like done I was like done what? And I walked out and the whole system was put together and I was like, hold on Are are you good at manual labor? And I didn't even know and what it is If she has a set of instructions like you could never go kailyn I need you to Mow the lawn or like weed eat or edge and like just generally do this and she's not good enough to figure out initiative and like Oh, here's how to do it But if you give her a step-by-step set of instructions, she can do anything. Well, she needs the mowing instructions Right, so I would need to give her a list to say here's how to mow Do this first then do this then do this but anyway, no one crushed it She's been pretty good and she's good.  She did good with it. It's kind of interesting So, you know, so here she's upstairs right now working on research paper and I'm just like I'm not literally beating her but it's like I'm having a beater to death or finish a research paper And but she'll go out and build a set of garage cabinets and and and the other thing about kailyn is She is the girliest girl you'd ever meet There's not an ounce of like tomboy tool thing in her. She just but she just so it's it's real weird It just completely caught me by surprise and she was able to do it. That's kind of interesting Yeah, it's almost like they have uh proclivities and things and that doesn't matter really what you want them to do Right. Hmm. Isn't that weird? So we're doing q&a right we got some q&a's yeah On our last q&a you go back to last week's on third Thursday We ended up talking about uh performance enhancing drugs Yes, the difference between those In a prescription from your doctor. Yeah And that made me want to That made I had some thoughts about that that I wasn't that I did not share on that show All right now that you've all ruminated on this for seven days Yeah, because you were talking about people taking four five six grams of exogenous testosterone a week And I mean, whoo So bruce Jenner Famously ain't bruce no more Sure Matt croc is jenay or jenna croc or whatever now jenay. Yep. And there there are several examples of this And I have often wondered If they had if these if these kinds of people these kinds of athletes had so disrupted Their hormonal milieu sure that everything's a mess from then on that's interesting to like obviously We'll tread lightly here, but here's what I know. I've met matt croc jenay, I apologize I met Matt. Well, that's not true. I met matt croc when he was matt when he was matt croc right and Great guy super nice. He's a he was maybe still is a pharmacist I don't think he's ever hid this was on a ton of drugs performance hands drugs as a matter of fact The guy I was talking about last week that suggested that everyone at strong jim used six grams plus of the professional powerlifters Train was matt croc's training partner for some time. Hmm. They were actually at the they would Compete for a couple years on who was the best 220 slash 242 powerlifter in the world. There you go So I so I don't have any idea what what bruce jenner's Yeah, I mean if he has any history of performance hands and drugs, but oh he's shitting me if you won the olympics in the 70s Come on. It's everything Of course, that's that's probably the case, but we need to say allegedly just for sure We don't know right. We don't actually know but I I do know about about croc was that is the case and You know, it's listen hormone people people think hormones are black magic man They see frat boys They see jerseys shore guys that like are jacked and pretty lean and like man. I'm just gonna take some testosterone like listen Hormones aren't something to be screwed with. Mm-hmm It's listen. It's the same and by the way, it doesn't make you wear a dress, right? Like we're seeing this like how many females struggle with birth control, which is a combination of hormones, right or um You know, they're perimenopausal or premenopausal or postmenopausal and they've got all this like there's there's always trade-offs There's trade-offs to make an ibuprofen. Yeah, right. There's trade-offs to all that kind of stuff And um, you know, I think that sometimes people think like, ah, it's fine I'll just buy it out of the back of the trunk of the guy's cart gold gym and everything will be fine like listen, let's just Drugs like that are like guns right there to be respected There is a correct way to use firearms and there's a correct way to use testosterone under the watch fly Of a doctor if you own firearms, you should be trained in how to use a firearm Like you don't buy a firearm having no idea how to use the thing. That's it's dangerous You know and hormones are the same thing. And so you've got to be very careful. That's why we suggest strongly people Making sure that they they have the The watch fly of their doctor now you're gonna have to find a good doctor But as time goes on those doctors who are who were 60 and 70 and 80 years old and think that Everything testosterone is bad Are being replaced with the 30 and 40 year olds who understand that listen. We're just trying to replace Hormone, that's it. Yeah, they replace it. Yeah, it's again. It's it's easier now to find one that um That understands that stuff than it was when I got when I first started needing it Yeah, same for me and let me be clear. There are doctors out there that are that are They're drug pushers. They're charlatans. Oh, yeah They're the same people that will prescribe, you know Opioids to people who don't really need it.  He tests. This is it Tests is it you test your testosterone And then he brings it up to par with what you should have been or just like you said last week at You know at 30 years old somewhere in there And just ride that out. It's awesome being 50 years old and having the testosterone of a 30 year old Right. It's dangerous to be 50 years old and have the testosterone That's 5x of a 17 year old. That's not the same thing or being 17 and not even a fully formed adult of the species and taken Triple what you need like it's that's right. It may confuse you about which bathroom to use at some point Apparently that's my theory. It certainly could sure sure.  Maybe the most powerful hormone we have very Very dangerous drug, but a very powerful drug that can be used right not for although it can be used for performance enhancing But like primarily used for You know for people who have problems with their pancreas and whatnot like we got to be careful with hormones And I think that sometimes people are I actually think the female population is less careful about it than males because everybody, you know She's just kind of the culture like well, I'll just get on These hormones for birth control. Oh, I just want to and a lot of you know women that are like I don't use it for birth control I just use it to regulate my period or my menstrual cycle or whatever like okay And that's actually fine. And I'm not judging it as a matter of fact people in my family have done that before But there is always a trade-off. There's a trade-off with ibuprofen. There's a trade-off with aspirin Oh people are nuts. All right, my 14 year olds got a acne trouble So I'm going to just like arrest puberty and put her on these pills. That's right.  Hmm Hmm It's not all the guys fault. Maybe it's because they've been on maybe it's because they never completed puberty property properly, you know, yeah Yeah, good times question and answers with barbell logic Christopher says episode on body dysmorphia He said in one of your question answer shows Scott was talking about a young client who whiffed french fries for dinner I remember that I think I just had sniffed Whiffing is when you like swing at a ball and miss and miss it. That's right But he says I really feel for this kid because his struggle with body dysmorphia is something that a lot of us struggle with I think it's probably a big reason a lot of us fail to get really strong If you think it would make a good show I'm wondering if this is a topic you and dr. Pewter would be interested in covering You know, I've talked to pewter about this several times He's very very interested in what he calls. I don't think this is actually his term But I've only heard it from him because I don't I'm not steeped in this. He calls it orthorexia Yeah, so we know what anorexia is that's the absence of eating and he orthorexia is this is this The way pewter describes it to me. It's a It's an obsession With orthodox eating right eating right Sure, so it can be it could be people that take veganism Too far Keto too far That's right Like they just have an idea of what is correct orthodox eating and then they focus on that to the point well to their detriment and He's he's very interested in that we've talked specifically about doing a show about that we should And then and then male male body dysmorphia, you know, I get just fed up, you know men don't matter I don't know if you notice that I don't know if you notice that Well, they don't they don't ever talk about the thing that men struggle with which is Fucking everything Well, it's it's it's prevalent. Hey, I think it's midnight 2 a.m. Hey, I think somebody broke into the house Who gets up and goes on risk getting shot and killed that's the guy. It's fine. It's fine. Nobody cares. It's fine Uh, hey, uh, there's some level out by the way. I think that that's I think that's part of our calling Well, I do too, but nobody cares No, no, no, you're you know, the point is that body image issues Don't don't necessarily affect a specific demographic or a specific sex more than the other Oh, well, they talk about in our culture these body image issues We focus so much more on the female and listen, they they've got massive struggles, but they've got it I'm not denying that but the men struggle. Well, they just struggle in a different way Right. They watch superhero movies people buy their kid a gi joe figure and he in real life He would be six seven way three 15 with a 29 inch ways like and and then and you know Yeah, so people really struggle the same problem that we have with barbies with little girls We have the same problem with with boys. Yeah, but nobody played with gi joes that know You know like nobody's actually built that way man. They're they're all built like mr. Olympia contestants man up matt Yes, okay. So what's the question? So he's asking about eating disorder. He just wants to do a show on it Yeah, yeah, I think I think peter'd be great for that peter's actually I was you were talking about in the last episode about peter and I've been arguing about elan musk by the way it's about the uh About the infamous like 40 inch if you're over 40 inches waste as a guy You're gonna die and if you're under 40 inches, you're gonna be fine and we're like obviously there's not, you know I've been I coached peter now. So peter I coach him uh in online coaching.  He's a huge dude. Yeah, that would be a good show. Yeah, we've been arguing about elon musk You you and peter.   Oh, that's not your craze. He's never done anything. You do paypal. He invested in paypal I don't even think he had anything to do it. He's never did.  He's never done anything. Oh, I like the guy Elan if you listen to this, I love you, sir.   I know I saw you talking about the telepathy And then meanwhile the government listen first of all, that's not even right because he denies the the Any divinity or any soul in the human in that whole experiment just denies anything unique or interesting about people But if it is possible, he's just going to sell your thoughts to whoever buys them.   What was the original idea?   It's great That's crazy Rock is his name Oh, Dwight. He says I followed you for a long time. I'm a huge fan Love the way you dress He says, um Love the way he dressed. Oh my god.  He's a big. You know, he's got he can wear a toga He could he look great in anything, but He dresses a little bit juvenile for me when he trains.  They're paying millions of millions. Of course Actually, in fact, I'm gonna take that back under armor if you would like to pay me millions of dollars I'll wear big under armor logos all day long Rock says, sorry. He says my press is maxed out Three by five at 135 Is this can I just push press? No, your press isn't maxed out No, it's not. Yeah 135 is not that is a low That's a press that we have a handful of women that out press And I don't say that to make you feel bad. It's probably time for a programming change. It's just a fact It's time to change your programming a little bit. Yep Minimum effective dose change, right? Switch from three sets of five to five sets of three is the first thing I do See if you hit 137 and a half for five sets of three, you'll be fine And then start the rotation of like the heavy days versus the volume days every other time you press One day you'll go really heavy the next day. You'll go lots of volume lots of tonnage. Yep, you'll be fine He says I hate to press which starts with the swinging the hips forward. It feels bad my lower back You know Carl Shield was having some lower back tweaks and we deter and he and his coach I think it was stan at the time decided that it was this press 2.0 thing that was hurting it Don't do it just strict press dude. I think most of my clients don't press 2.0 at this point. Yeah It's let's do a normal press Just press just just stand there and press that like we don't actually need to contribute to the press with the lower body Why not because we're trying to train The muscles of the upper body of the pressing muscles And if I take some of that off of the pressing muscles and I put it on the hips But I'm not really training what I'm trying to train I'm training the hips with the squat and the deadlift Yeah, and you may throw your hips when it comes to a meat or a one-wrapped max attempt or something like that But day in day out. That's right. It's a pretty tough different issue. I want to be clear like How to press the most weight? Certainly, I think you should help contribute as much as you can with your lower body if you're if you're competing In ussf or you know some overhead press competition like yeah, man Do whatever is inside the rules to throw the bar as hard as you can But if we're training for general strength if we if we press 135 for three sets of five, I'm not gonna Say any names, but specifically the guy that you see him out then we don't need to worry about using the hips We just need to worry about getting stronger the guy just needs to get generally stronger and so if Number one if his consistency is great and we're just going to assume it is but it might not be And if his form is great, which it probably isn't but let's assume it is right The next thing has to change is minor changes to the programming your press hasn't You haven't hit your genetic limit at the press as a guy who presses 135. That's impossible He says he's a 5 foot 11 185. That's a little light And I would expect an lp to end about where you are right now on a guy your size And your age so you've got a long you got a lot of running room left here Matt I didn't read all this chunk, but he talks about torn labrum and spinal injuries and t7 t8 has crushed cartilage And he's an extra kyphotic. Listen.  You're going to be able to get much much stronger As far as throwing those hips. I've got an in person. I've got a I've got a female client I can't get her to quit doing it and quit laying back Want every single set even volume work. So she's just gonna have to sit on the bench She's that's what I do. I force them to sit. I'm like, all right.   Yep Let's I do this exact same thing rock. You can do it in In yacht too all these all these things for barba logic, man I'd love to I've loved to coach Dwayne the rock johnson. Yeah, I'll fix I'll fix you fan big fan I'll fix you man. You can you can request me Let's see here. Matthew says he struggled with the bench press in lp He found us through a garage gym reviews, which is nice right shout out to coop. Yeah He's six foot one two thirty five and uh, about the right size Yeah, and his bench is at 150 pounds That is not at the right size. He says is it times that I should move to five sets of three Oh god, dude. That's that's pretty line. That's pretty long Something's wrong. So this is not quite this is a very similar question the previous question if you think about it Six foot one two thirty five should not be pressing should not be bench pressing 150 for three sets of five That's too low and that's almost I mean man. I would bet significant amounts of money The problem is not the programming The problem is The calories the problem is the consistency the problem is the form the problem like One of those Primary issues the problem is you're not resting enough Between sets the problem like whatever that is maybe the guys putting on, you know How many times have you had a client at barba logic signs up? They don't realize that they're supposed to warm up and they're just like, oh, yeah I just did my first set at 150, but we'll wait. What you didn't do your first set with empty bar No, no, I just I just felt I was warmed up for the squat So I just went ahead my work sets was 150 for three sets of five sets But I've had I've had that conversation like 10 times And I'm like, uh, you know most of my guys will bench press ahead of their squat for a while in LP And he's on day 12 of LP and I would normally expect a guy To be benching about when he's squatting at that point and then it stretches out and gets weird It could be all those things that Matt talked about older guys I'm thinking testosterone if it's if I if I prove to myself It's none of the things that you just mentioned Matt and nothing else is working Testosterone can really really sap at those questions. Hey, here's what you should do like one get some help Just yeah, get either sign up for barba lodging and some help or email experience at barbell-logic.com and get some free help, which is also getting help Yeah, the bench press is a much more technical lift than people think it is It's not as technical as the squat But there's a lot more going on there and I bet I bet 10 minutes in person I could put 10 pounds on that three by five It's the only lift of the four main lifts that we teach where the bar path is not truly vertical Right The bar path has some angle to it and if you don't do it right Then you're you're leaving pounds on the on the platform Oh my gosh, here's Chad again. We talked about Chad last time 63305 is PR squats 385. He's going onward and upward He says that he is experiencing severe ankle pain mostly in the left ankle since the squat go over 345 It's to the point I could barely walk a few hours after doing my squats I have high arches and bad foot supination. I used to squat barefoot but purchased a pair of power lift fours Um He says I'm wondering if they might be causing the pain or could it be my form Could it be that I'm not kicking my knees out wide enough or if my foot width isn't wide enough any suggestions I'll eventually hire a coach, but I'm going to wait until I know that my schedule will be more open to coaching Yeah, it could be any of those things could be I'll probably go get some orthotics I could probably go see a good dot like if you're No, nobody's got a higher arches than charity Mine are really high too.  It's probably form The ankle doesn't flex or rotate or it's not enough doesn't do much at all It's really common in the strength world to say, oh, they don't have enough ankle mobility So we got to work that is actually my experience is I have never had a person Who did not have the ankle mobility squat? That's actually not true I actually had one guy who had who had broken his foot in a car accident and had And had literally plates put into his ankle and so his ankle didn't bend at all It was stuck at 90 degrees no matter what and just on one ankle And so in the bottom his heel would come off the ground off that foot that could not flex more than 90 degrees That's all you could get That's the only guy in 20 years of coaching that I've ever had who had ankle mobility problems in the bottom of the squat If you can sprint even badly Yeah You've got enough. That's right. You're having more ankle flexion than you're going to have in the bottom of a correct squat Yep But if your knees are way far forward and your shins are too horizontal and then you know too much flexion in your ankle and all that kind of stuff Like certainly that can so it's probably form issue. Hey, so here's the same answer Just email experience at barbellhighflexion.com send them a video of your squat. Let's Let's figure out what's going on. Yeah, and the adidas power lift for it's a pretty good shoe, man It'll give you good service. Yeah. Yeah, I think that shoes fine. It's probably just for Clifford Says stealing from peter legs to pay paul upper body He says, uh, I hope you all are well. I'm a recreational lifter I am an intermediate and I train full body mainly compounds movements three days a week So, you know matt we've been doing this show for july will be The beginning of our fourth year. Yeah We'll complete three years. Yeah And our audience has changed significantly. Sure I've trained full body mainly compound lifts. No, hold on. Hold on. That's let's there's two This is the glass half full versus glass half empty Our audience used to be people who were pre educated in the right way to do things Just two way to look at it or not at all or not at all. We never we didn't get these emails about Uh, why use compound lifts six days a week? We never got that But I I don't ever I'm not ever worried about a guy that reaches in that's that's And I don't mean this to to like put the person down But who's ignorant about the right things what right way to do things like they're they're reaching out for help because they're ignorant I get it. So that's fine. Okay. So I get it. So what is so what is I I know where this is going Full body lifts my upper my lower body is too strong. I want to get my upper body a little bit bigger Should it can can I? Oh, well, everything's odd. It's it's not the way I think so I'm just going to read the whole thing Okay, my training for the last nine months or so has not been progressing I've tried concurrent waves of linear periodization and a couple of other methods without much success You need to write that in bold circle it with a highlighter Laminate it and read that every day The things that you've done have not worked.  That's right He says I currently do about 10 hard sets per muscle group per week Max squat 165 kilos. That's great deadlift 190. That's heavy. That's good bench press 120. Okay Um, you're you're talking about how many sets that you do in terms of a week your training cycle horizon Is probably not a week. No, it's probably a month at this point. Oh, I bet it's not You think it's more I think I bet it's less. He probably needs to do LP Oh, right, right, right. I'm sorry yet. No, you're right. You're right. It's probably it's Well, there here's what we know There is a right way to train and there are certainly things that like there's there are actually multiple ways to skin the cat But the thing that we can't get away from there are some like orthodoxy closed-handed issues One is is that we start with LP no matter what until it stops working and then we make a change Yep, and it sounds to me like this guy has never done that. He started with concurrent concurrent Waves of LP, you know, yeah, right. That's right. And that's a better style Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that for an advanced lifter who's paid their dues And that's better than coming to a gym with no training. I'll get just doing something that day But he says I'm not able to train more frequently. My sessions are already quite taxing So I do not want my sessions to become any longer. Here's my question Can I reduce my direct length training from 10 sets a week to twice per week two sets at the end of my workout? I'm mostly happy with my legs, but I need more upper body. Do you think I can maintain my leg size? Do you think at listen I have a friend named Carl who's not Carl shoot. This is a guy from elementary school Yeah, that guy has enormous legs always will there's nothing he can do. He would have to bench press He doesn't squat.  But all he just has huge legs his giant muscular legs. He always has And um his upper body is normal But for it to be in proportion, he'd have to he'd have to bench 600 for a double I'm not kidding you. He's got just enormous legs in a butt and he doesn't have a big belly He's just built that way. I have no idea what you're built like.  But most of us Can't be physique models. Most of us can't even get 50 000 instagram followers for what we look like in our clothes And you need to stop worrying about that. You need to train to get as strong as you can And then when that happens you will look better than you do now. Yeah No, I want to go back wrong with wanting to look better. No as the primary goal of training That's your listen man. You're listening to the wrong show. You're you're going to the wrong people like we train for performance strength and health first always And aesthetics, we know if you train and you perform better you get stronger and you're healthier You will look better period. Yeah, that's it, right? You will look better. So if the goal is like, hey I'm pretty happy with the way my legs look when you say that that is a term. I have never said in my life Hey, I'm pretty happy with how x looks Because that's I'm actually not happy with the way anything It's everything's undersized now I just it's just you've you've missed the point like we have a value system here And we're not telling you that you have to have our value system But if you're going to ask us the question the question the answer is going to be That's how we train. I will speak for myself and not you I share that value system But it's not a negative judgment about people who are concerned about aesthetics It is from my experience that chasing the strength gets you the aesthetics chasing the aesthetics often gets you neither That's right. It is my dogma Because it's rational and I've seen it work I've seen young men who aren't strong chase aesthetics in the gym and look the same every time I saw them for years on end The guy who tries to get strong looks better And then if he wants to specialize after being a later intermediate on bodybuilding and aesthetics He can look really good That's right And then one other point I picked up on here is you're doing full body compound lifts three days a week If you listen to our show, you will know that once somebody ends LP we almost Categorically universally every single time almost Put them on a four-day split.  That's what works So, you know, I used to think about a lot back when I used to train in the old olden days of the 90s Back at the university gym, you know, I trained at Missouri what Missouri State University's gym And every guy in there that was in college was trying to get bigger and stronger 10 every year every year over and over I see the same guys are still 155 160 That's what they were And the few guys who were in the squat cage, which at the time there was one of those tiered, you know Trying, you know, sort of things that suck But they were in their squatting their balls off and they were deadly Those guys were they look like full backs and linebackers for the football team Yep And they probably they were probably trained in high school and got pretty decently strong before they even left high school And then they're at Missouri State or whatever and they're just building on this base They already got that's exactly right and and now by the way when these guys do four sets of eight curls It's 82 pounds. It's 90 pounds. It's not the 35 pounds, you know, that's right Let's get strong Gavin says something clever He says I have a quick quick question. I hear y'all especially when I talk about your parents training with barbells How do you convince them to begin training and going to the gym? Um My parents are in their late fifties have been unhealthy and sedentary your whole life They have started getting more and more bad reports from doctors and express the interest in getting healthier Mom is especially concerned about doing anything too strenuous because she had polio as a child It's a messed up musculature tendons and ligaments in her legs I think a lot of our problems revolve around a general lack of strength to have our time convincing her that If you have if someone has changed your diaper, they will not listen to you.  Well, you can't convince anybody to do anything Especially some of this guy doing hard is just that much more difficult, right? Like it is really hard to train your kids And it's even harder to train your spouse and it's basically impossible to train your parents And for some parents they understand the value of this thing and you can you know You can kind of teach them what you need to teach them and sometimes they will accept that But it just you can't control The soil that the seed falls on if your parent, you know, that's the deal Some of them they're just some of them just aren't gonna listen This is sucks because you'll stress over it and you shouldn't stress over it's not your responsibility To heal your parents like if you want to if you want to talk to them about what you do And you want to show them what you do and then they jump on great, but if they don't that's not on you Yeah, there is there is a sort of American cult of management Like the everything get what you measure gets better and whatever you focus on gets better And we can manage this and we can improve it and that there's just kind of idea of positivism And if you spend time on anything it's going to get better and it's just it's just not true Right people can't you can't manage people. No, you know the human condition We've got antibiotics and I'm thankful for that But the human condition and the drives that motivate people And the amount of joy in their lives or the amount of introspection in their lives and stuff is As best I can tell unchanged What an entirely intrinsic Yeah, I mean external extrinsic Motivation lasts very very short amounts of time Outside of that like it's you can't convince anybody to do anything So quit quit don't worry about managing your mom. I want good for her and I know you do too and that's very kind um but Probably can't do much But you know you and your old lady get strong and write her over for a cup of coffee and tell her hey You know, this is when we can hang out love to hang out with you and uh, you know, maybe she'll get in there Yeah, here's what we know like that you talk about the human condition Pressuring people who do anything almost always results in the opposite of what you want it to be And so that's why what you're saying works.  Let me teach you how to squat. Those are two different things Yeah, so mom comes over for cup of coffee you squat and you hang out talk to mom between your sets One of those days she might be like you'd be like, hey, let me show you how to do this and she might be say, okay But the more you pressure her to do it It's every single person is why and some people are worse than others But everybody is sort of wired towards if you pressure me to do a thing. I want to do the opposite So you can't pressure them if she come over show if she comes on over on monday's and drinks a cup of coffee for six weeks She has an a hobby or a habit at that point of showing up on monday That's a big chunk of it And then if she ever does anything at all, you know, it's it's a win But you know, you're not responsible for her happiness. You're not responsible for her health You're not responsible for her whatsoever Um good for you for trying but uh, don't worry about it, man Just love her and uh, and if one day you throw dirt on her and you think it was too early It's okay. It wasn't your fault No, I'm serious. No, you're right. You're exactly right.  Well, the problem is I you know, I thought about this a long time ago with my dad When he when he got parkinsons and got bad and decided to stop training when He needed more than anything else to continue to train was when he got diagnosed with parkinsons And I thought well, I can spend the rest of my dad's life being mad at him that he's not training and working harder Or I can just value the time that I get with him And so he he knew what I believed about training and trying to you know Be tough and voluntary hardship and all that sort of stuff to make you better And he decided that's not what he wanted to do and I can I could have been You know had an animosity for my dad or I chose to spend the best time I could with my dad You know for the remainder of his life and so and I'm thankful that I was able to do that Try you know now dad has no You know, he's basically a vegetable at this point. I don't get to spend any of that time with him So I'm thankful that I got to spend the good stuff with him and I wasn't pissed off at him because he wasn't squatting at that point so I don't hear very many people talk about this, you know, we clearly think that That this stuff is good for us and leads to an improvement in your quality of life and maybe even longevity But you know, if you hate it, does it really improve your quality of life? You know like I You know charity, I haven't been training as much as her But I'm still out there. Let's say five hours a week That's 250 hours a year. You do that for 20 years. It's significant amount It's a significant amount of time. That's right.  Did it increase your aggregate happiness? You know, maybe not and um I think that's important or that's important to remember because Sometimes I'll talk about this as being medicine But the truth of it is if the medicine tastes bad It's you slug it down and you chase it with a bunch of water and the taste is gone pretty pretty soon But if you're in a four-day split and it takes two and a half hours every single session It's 10 hours a week and then you have to eat like a, you know, like a crazy specialist Every minute that you're not in the gym Um, and you don't enjoy that Maybe it didn't make your life any better. That's right. Maybe it ain't for you. So I think it does make your life better But only Only if you enjoy it. Yeah So if you get a Parkinson's diagnosis, you're like, godly man. I've got 18 months left How much of that 18 months that I want to spend in a squat rack if I hate it Sure I don't know people have their own calculus, you know People have their own math that they do to figure out if things are worth it in good form or not and um I don't presume Well, sometimes I do But I try not to presume that I know Sure, my dad hates it.  He hates it. He's like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, he hates it. Yeah Yeah, I get it. I get it That's good Well, there's another uplifting episode of the barbell logic podcast You know, best of luck. I hope you all can get all of your loved ones to to do the right thing But you know, sometimes you can't Yep Has a consequence for parenting, doesn't it?  Yeah, that cost you nothing It cost you nothing Yeah, if you want to keep experiencing that then you can sign up and get it every day. That's the cool part So that's why we do it. Well, thanks for listening so much. I'm going to talk to you guys in a few days


YouTube, what's up man? Your boy is back. I'm back! And today we find ourselves on Percy and the Beast Productions channel. He did create another series which is named Sotr Dark Realm. Now we're going to be reacting to his first two episodes of Sotr Dark Realm, but before that let's go ahead and read the description and see what this is about. When Gordon and the big engine heads out on the stormy afternoon express run, everything goes wrong as he is struck by lightning and his driver keys and replacement fireman, Ted are transported into another world.  Alright so that sounds pretty cool dude um so if you're good now you're bad and if you're bad now you're good. That's a pretty interesting take so let's go ahead and begin with this. Oh yeah and if you guys want me to continue the Sotr Fallout series let me know in the comments because I forgot what episodes I was in so you guys need to remind me and make sure to smash the like. Some viewers may find the following video disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised. He warned you man. Oh Sotr Dark Realm. Okay I see you. Oh my god.  Percy and the Beast Productions presents created and written by Percy and the Beast Productions episode one Sotr Dark Realm. The nightmare begins. Oh okay this is epic. Welcome to a world where everything you thought was good. Nice. Loving. Those words have no meaning here. This world is poor evil beyond any meaning of those words. My name is Keith Wiccan Gordon's driver. I came from the island of Sodor we all know and loved. How did I get here? Well I am still trying to figure that out myself. This is my story. He's clueless on how he got there right. So we know it's by the line you can strike or whatever. It all started one day when Gordon and I were assigned to deliver a package to Mrs. Kangley's cottage. We needed to get it there quickly since she was leaving Sodor to visit her relatives for a week so without to save time we would deliver the package while on our daily express run. When we're burst Harry. But I think Gordon is the main character in this series or I believe. It didn't help that the weather was very bad.  Then things got strange with the lighting patterns. Gordon had recently gotten a new fireman that day. Steppen was ill so Sir Topham got us a replacement. Okay. That didn't have to take a breath. He told me he was a scientist in his spare time as we watched the weather get worse as we waste down the main line. Oh it's going to be a stormy night. And boys zoom in yo. Nothing stopping them. Got the lighting of course. An instant with a bomb on it with lighting strikes. It affected all of Gordon's systems or felt dizzy. Then it passed out. Oh and then lightning struck Gordon and there they go. They got teleported probably into Fortnite. You saw you might see a Thomas getting on Fortnite now. Oh I woke up with a terrible headache and I was surprised to find that I was still in Gordon and I noticed he had longest badges and symbols that saved Royal light engines.  At the time I was really confused Gordon started calling me General Keith and reminded me that we were going to take Ted the traitor to Geldame prison to be executed. Dude I feel like we're watching Star Wars now or something.  When he stayed into his eyes something inside of me told me that this was the Ted that I had seen moments ago. Oh so everything's opposite remember. Good it's evil and evil is good.  Dude his face is on the side. We soon arrived at Geldame prison and the warden came up to me and greeted me like a hero or something. They also thanked me for bringing Ted the traitor to him. The prison guards dragged him away kicking and screaming. The warden pulled out his gun pointed it to the middle of Ted's forehead and shot him in the head without any remorse. Aint he shot Ted the traitor in the head man. He kept playing moments like this one over and over again in my head wishing that there was something I could have done but if I had done something I would be dead too. The warden looked at me and said that Guy was making too much noise. He also told me his coffee and him that has been causing us problems. He directed me over to a blocked off part of the prison and that's where I saw it would. Hosted up in the air and his wheels and funnel were ripped off and he was very beat up.  To be continued well let me tell you this we do have episode two oh wait there's something like a little teaser not just the credits all right oh hey all right hey major shout out to Percy and the beat productions for sharing his awesome creativity with us in these awesome little films he does all right so now we move on to a new hope oh my god they even have like the star wars title and everything okay let's go over here and begin some viewers may find the following video disturbing viewer discretion is advised I like this little intro song makes you feel legit alright solar dark realm a new hope episode two so I like it the warden city hoped I was pleased and ordered the same guards to kill it word as well make it look good for the general he told them in a raspy voice make it look good for the general then a dying spike passion came out of a trap door in the roof and what didn't have long to scream before it's standing in the middle of his face no freaking way brother f in the chapter Edward retracted and there wasn't much left of it words face while I was screaming on the inside but all we could do was just play along imagine seeing that like without being able to react there I was standing in the middle of the blocked off part of the prison still in shock of what had just happened the warden walked up to me and handed me a letter it had orders from the emperor to report to knock that stronghold immediately to ready the royal light squad for an attack on the rebels I read the words at the bottom of the letter that shoot me to the core sincerely remember a totem hat oh man the royal elite squad to the dean present weeks after the blocked off room and into the outdoors where he led me into some small engine sheds or couldn't recognize any of the engines there since they were all covered with tarts the warden lifted a tarp off of one and there was Percy they had the same signs and logos that I had seen on Gordon and he had a scar across his right cheek and had a goatee why does Percy have a goatee bro the warden then told me that Percy would be the one to take me to knap at stronghold he also saved the Gordon was unavailable due to him buying on a secret mission after he dropped me off for killed in prison area I can't get over Percy man the boarded Percy in the warden saluted then said long live the emperor I saluted back to keep up my time with a few spins of classes wheels we started down the line after go while even killed in prison somehow he sensed a small tear trickle down my cheek he seemed to see through me as he said you are not the general view however hard you feel pain not crying you're crying told me the truth that he is secretly a rebel spy so I told him the tale of who I am how he got though we started talking about possibilities of ways out of this nightmare I told him about the orders about the attack from the empire he told me the rebel base was located at noramy so we decided to head there to warn them about the attack as we travel Percy told me the story of what had happened to tubby what happened to Toby tell us man what did they do to Toby man he used to transport goods for the empire most of the time he didn't know what he was carrying he didn't like his job a little bit so one day and put his train in the middle of the main line and started to head as far away as he could from the empire he's a rebel welcome to the rebellion army Percy they probably killed that I mean Toby it seems like you got pretty far if you ask me he soon found and joined the rebels portraying the empire and became a rebel spy a week after Toby joined the rebellion side and Bert Oppen had found out about Toby's portrayal and sent his best troops to hunt him down Gordon being one of them oh wait Gordon one of the rebels informed to be that the empire was hunting him down Toby decided to leave more of me to keep the rebels hide out from getting found out Edward would take care of Henry to while Toby was gone they say goodbye and Toby departed from northern being hated down the main line all right so he's doing it for the for the sake of the rebellion squad not getting caught up and decided to uh apart himself from them while Toby was traveling down the track suddenly he heard a whistle in the distance and out of nowhere Gordon started to charge at Tommy Toby Revers backwards down the line in a desperate attempt to escape the empire while Gordon was catching up but while going down the line Toby crashed into a rock and derailed and gave Gordon enough time to crash into him and knock him out thanks like Gordon is really like like brainwashed he's really like the elite soldier Toby worked up to see that he was in an empty field with multiple lobes laying against his sights in my knew he was made of wood and one of the soldiers through a lighted match at tubby no way as his flesh slowly melted away his body was engulfed in flames the empire did this as an example to show what happened if you betrayed the empire effort the chapter told me dude what's wrong with these people bro they're just killing trains left and right he kept on talking with Percy and he told me of an old prophecy that was written a couple of hundred years ago in ancient solder one day years from now here will be transported from another place he will be the beacon of light in the darkness could I be this hero they spoke of his idea fighting he had just wanted to find a way to go home i wondered if Gordon from here on this was all right i still don't know for sure if he was brought with me to this other world or not we arrived at norway it was a pretty nice time to be continued oh man all right that was pretty cool i like this new uh new series on solar those we can see even if you guys are a creative person yourself you can create your own reality in the solar universe all right you guys well shout out to Percy the beast productions uh thank you for sharing your creativity with us once again i can't wait to watch the episode the other episodes i've seen you have that you put out like um i'm not sure how many but i know there's more and for those that want me to continue off on solder fallout let me know what episode i was in because i completely lost track but i will do it if you guys want me to continue it off all right you guys well thank you all for watching thank you all for the amazing support and i will see you on the next one peace