Mesh welcome to simulation. Thank you Atlas. Thank you for having me here. Super pumped for our show together. I really appreciate Mesh's presence in the No Limit Society a lot. Mesh does a really good job at holding space and that is a skill that is emerging more and more as highly sought after by people that are experiencing awakening. And the more pure the spaceholder the more they are of a Navy Seal, spiritual Navy Seal, the more out of the way they are of their conditioning and they're just holding the space from a place of pure service to the creation awakening. So Mesh has definitely been doing that quite a bit and I've really enjoyed that. So I'm pumped. Pumped to share this with you all. I'm sorry I was gonna say the first cuz I don't think you were on the first two calls we had. I was not. And it was really nice to see your presence and I think I dropped in halfway through one of your guided meditations. And it was beautiful. It was just beautiful to see you know someone come up and provide more structure, provide space for everyone. Because as you know we're all it's the beginning of a new program and we're co-creating it together. So it's beautiful when people step up and put in a piece of themselves. Thank you. Yeah You were there the month prior to when I got involved and getting involved is so interesting because the first question to ask is where are you coming from when you're getting involved? And so now I'm undergoing this process of really purifying where I'm coming from so that it's not coming from the Atlas needing to be seen which I found out is a pretty interesting core weakness and versus coming from a pure place of service perpetually. And so that's been really interesting. But like you said there's also the pure spontaneity that does arise where it's truly like beautiful just a rising out of emptiness this guiding the more talking conversation into something that's just a little bit more let's ease into the perfection that we already are for a little bit. And it's been really nice sort of also just getting reflected from all of you which are already really advanced level awakened beings the things that I get to work on myself and that's been really important. Yeah that question where am I coming from? It's so big. It's so big. It's all these when you really dig into that you start to see these layers of your personality emerging and then also falling apart which is which is beautiful because from about two months ago at least two to three months ago I was I should say mesh was a very different very different person just so much need for validation and this desire to be seen and okay wait where you got to take us into this story we'll talk about some of the other stuff on the journey of awakening but take us right into this this is like the heat of it the transition in the last couple of months from the need to be seen to more not that yeah so I didn't even realize there was a desire to be seen it was so far hidden in the psyche and it was it had expression but it was not to my knowledge and how it came to my awareness was a few years ago I had a developed an autoimmune condition called myestinia gravis and I joined Bantino's no limits mentorship program and one of the first questions of mine was about healing and his answer had to do with how a lot of these illnesses come up for one of two reasons both kind of coming from the same reason but it's either it's a catalyst to bring to awareness what your overall blueprint came here to learn or there is some sort of karmic propensity for it so if you understand what the catalyst is trying to show you the symptoms and the illness will subside so it was because of this I had a deep dive into all these different aspects of my psyche and a lot of my desire to be seen came just from my upbringing and this had nothing to do with my parents were amazing amazing friends loved me to death the family I grew up in was very supportive however what you're told and what you see as a child is two very different things so you're told by your parents love you you know we're here for you however just from cultural condition and cultural background like as we said before I'm from Sri Lanka and a lot of it you know there's so much pressure to do well in school and there's so much pressure to do well in everything it's just coming from a poor country it's you know education is the way out into happiness it's a success in our in the version of success of what we call it and you know I come I come home with like all A's and a B and it's like where did that B come from or you know you get 90 93 94 percent on a test it's like what happened to the other 7% and it's again it's coming my parents are coming from a place where they just want me to excel but for me it's just I'm thinking I got 93% and it's not acknowledged and all this you know so there was this crazy desire to want to be seen by my parents in such a way that I became I became insanely focused on proving myself in whichever way I could I used to go to the gym six to seven days a week and twice a day sometimes I wanted to get really big and strong same thing with career self-help courses everything it was just trying to be a perfectionist trying to it was it was this just this little kid who wanted to be seen and once that came to light everything it was it was this child who was acting form it was it was trying to please the child all my actions came from trying to please the child everything everything like I'm in music and even the music it was like this thing to be seen if I make it in music if I have all this love from all these people this desire to be great it was all just this little this little kids desire to be seen so in the last few months all of that came to light and as you know I read you that my shadow work and that was the beginning of this huge transformation as none of that was me none of that was me it was all just black believe it was all just things I associated with and yeah that was the beginning of like a very big shift into where I would like to take a moment to really hone in on how much courage it takes to be so radically transparently honest with oneself and mesh is doing a great job at sharing with us what it's like to be this radically honest transparent energy in service to not saying look at what I found out and praise me but doing it from a place of look at the nuanced subtlety that was hidden so deeply that takes a good amount of investigation and true honest receptivity to reflections to be able to identify because I'm going through some similar stuff right now and man it's really this whole idea of a perpetual self-purification engine man it feels like we're still at like stage one of some purification stuff right now this whole child thing is so interesting because we are familiar with like the need to be seen because that happens as an adult a lot because you're trying to do something specifically to get the attention of other people and you can sort of decipher that if you gain even a little bit of subtlety you can really begin to get at that but this one is a little bit more nuanced because you in a sense you have to dig deeper into a history of your life trajectory and for me very similar thing with Armenian family lineage and very similar like you know we got your ass to the United States so go do some shit what it what is this consciousness nonsense so it doesn't pay any bills it's funny I mean my parents were traditional Buddhists so there was some level of that in my life however even growing up learning Buddhism something seemed off something that the type of traditional Buddhism that is being taught in temples it's not complete I think there was a sense of that even from even as a young kid I'd be going to temple and my dad would give me a couple of dollars and he'd say go put this in the donation bin I'd say oh okay why do we why do we do this and he said because it's good karma and to me immediately that seemed like if you're doing it to get good karma doesn't intention seem wrong off the bat and yeah and even I mean I don't know what it was just something some there were parts which resonated and there were parts which didn't resonate and however I think it did set the stage it definitely set the stage for me to be open and receptive at a later age to when the real kind of path came on my doorstep yes yes Shri Aurobindo in the mother mirror alfasa have a great way of putting it which is that a lot of the fundamental religions they act as a stepping stone to spirituality and specifically if you get to the mystic traditions within the religions like for Buddhism you get to Dzogchen and Zen and you have Advaita Vedanta and Sufi metaphysics and Gnosticism and a bunch of these scattered across Kabbalah and they'll drive you more towards the direct union with the kingdom of God within you and so that's a little bit more clear but there's still this sort of in a sense like what Bentino is doing which is taking this very synthesis driven perspective it's like a meta-pattern I've been on a similar trek the last couple of years with doing that and it also merges the self-realization side of the coin with the self-actualization side of the coin which is basically what like Tony Robbins and Jordan Peterson Gary Vaynerchuk do as well on the self actualization side and marry that with the self-realization side and and that's why right now this sort of modern way of sharing the nature is more resonant and that's why it feels like we're gravitating towards this yeah yeah cool so let's explore a bit of the trajectory you've already shared with us but give us sort of like a pivotal turning point of like okay it's inward the job is in and when like that clicked and then sort of when me if you would like to share some of these like you know like pop moments like becoming aware of awareness or whatnot and becoming aware of being the creator and leading up to NLS so like I said from a young age I did have a kind of inclination towards Buddhism karma rebirth these all resonated very strongly with me meditation these kind of tools resonated strongly with me but there was like I said there wasn't something that grabbed me then I went into high school and I started doing sciences and I did a full 180 and became complete atheists complete complete absolute atheists and for me it was like yeah it's science and that's it there's nothing else and if you can't prove it seems like another world now but that's where I was and yeah it was like atheistic like stereotype almost you know to the point where you know someone mentioned God I'm like you don't know what you're talking about things along those lines and then halfway through or my first year of university my mom gave me the power of now but if we're totally and I read about two chapters and I was like what is this crap I like basically put the book down and I said he's like there was just so much in there that made no sense to me and then maybe a year later my mom gave me the new earth by a cartel and she said please just read this book and she said it's a little easier to get through than the power of now and that was life-changing that was it that was the moment and I was like all of this makes sense all of this makes so much sense where he talks about the pain bodies being present how time is man-made there was just so much in that it was a life-changing experience and then from that point I was just so hungry I read the power of now after that and Alan Watts became a huge part of my listening all the time I don't remember how I stumbled upon Bantino but had found a couple of his videos I want to say it started with empowerment with his empowerment series on YouTube from Trinity and that really grabbed me because creating who doesn't want to attract things into your life who doesn't want to create your own reality and that's what really got me into the empowerment side but even now looking at that it seems like a different life it seems like even that was coming from ego even that was coming from I want to create money and where I got hooked hooked on Bantino was his during the pandemic he did the free retreat the world that was one of the clearest paths to enlightenment self-realization that anyone has ever laid out hands down yeah it was amazing just the description of the bodies and it was a path it was an actual path it wasn't meditate for 500 thousand lifetimes you know and something could happen and he said no it's possible now possible in this lifetime yes that was that was the big big shift for me towards a Bantino's work I wouldn't say I have any crazy pop-out experiences in the sense of I truly felt one miss God I wouldn't say I had any crazy pop-out experiences like that however I definitely had experiences where I knew hands down that I was not this body I was not this mind that this body is creating an illusion of the reality we experience and the first time that was very clear it was during I did the Vipassana ten days awesome yeah and on on the eighth day I remember I was just sitting and you know you're feeling all the sensations you're feeling into the body and you're feeling all these waves go through you and at one point I just couldn't tell the difference of what was inside and outside I couldn't tell the difference of where my body ended I couldn't tell the difference between sound and feeling or like if there was wind or what I was sitting on it was all just vibration all of it was just like like all of it was just vibration and it was clear I was like our mind is saying this vibration is sound this vibration is touch this is inside me this is outside me but these are all mind labels and that was the first time it was just one field it was a field of vibration and it was so clear so that was a very big transformational moment as well I would say and the other one was maybe about four to five months ago I was when was the ten day set that was a while ago I'd say maybe four years ago cool four years ago yeah and just about four months ago I had I was meditating and I was very I was experiencing I was in the space of space and then in the space of awareness watching experiences come and go and at one point there was just this clarity that I am eternal yeah it was just I am eternal and it was it was so funny it seems so obvious but it was that I'm aware of I am aware of this not either body not either mind I awareness I'm aware of everything that's happening right now yeah if this body dies I will just be aware of what's happening what else is happening it was so it was just obvious it's like I will be here regardless of what is coming in and out of this experience I am before this experience and this experience goes I will still be here and that was very very powerful it's so it was so clear and so obvious it was how does nobody see this but I mean coming out of that experience yes you can see why it's it's it's a subtlety and yeah and then after that I've just been following Bantino on Instagram I saw the No Limits Society and immediately said I'm sorry no limits mentorship and said no matter what I'm going to be there I don't care and it was weird because he asks you to send a video in and that's basically just what I said on the video I said I I'm not sure how long I can stay I'm not sure how long I can commit to it but I know I want this this resonates so strongly and I know I have to be here right now and yeah that's how I got involved and then after the two months I just had this he said no limits society was emerging and I just had this resonance this pole to be part of no limits society and I didn't know why because I mean no limits mentorship was so good it was so amazing had so many shifts there but I felt this pole and like part of his teachings is follow the resonance right follow the resonance so that's what I did and I'm really happy I did because I feel a I've met so many so many just beautiful people and I've been able to learn like learn a ton from the calls we're having and secondly I feel as though there's there's some sort of co-creation in this overall vision and the society happening at the same time which I couldn't have been a part of it I was still a part of no limits mentorship okay I'm gonna plant a flag there and we'll get back to what you just wrapped with so beautiful share on the trajectory on the awakening on the recognizing the true nature I found your share with the swing into the science the analysis of form infinity and even dabbles of atheism to be fascinating because I've noticed that many of the greatest spiritual minds that I know are those that have swung the pendulum the deepest into the science and then have swung it into the spiritual and are now in a process of merging the two into one and I have a strong feeling that that's mostly what the 21st century is going to be about and I would also like to say that that global enlightenment retreat was world-class and that yeah and also similarly as so Patricia commented that she had the same experience in Vipassana which is which is awesome and I also had a similar experience in Vipassana and that's probably one of the best ways to use one of the direct teachings of the Buddha to calm the noisy mind and as you do that you commune with the true nature and you can then add that into your said sort of lattice work because Eckhart Tolle will teach you something that's you know another angle up this mountain right and so you add these different paths slash faces of the mountain to make a really strong lattice work around the true nature and another thing that I was going to say while you're speaking but I saved it and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this first and then we'll get to what you wrapped with is would you say that the ground or Rigpa in essence is emptiness source and then infinite creation it seems it's not in my experience deep enough for me to say that with conviction but what I can say is that it's clear that there is a space within which everything happens and are you that space it seems so it's hard you know because it's easy to pair it back things you hear and it's easy to you know take what you hear from these teachers like but I mean one thing I know a lot of these these teachers they tell you is don't believe anything don't believe anything it's it's within you to see it for yourself when you talk about this field of vibration though that was direct experience yes the even that vibration is within something more subtle is within a space mm-hmm yeah but it has to be otherwise how how would it be within your experience otherwise one of the core teachings of Siddharah Meshore as you think so you are and so passing that along to Nisargatata who has passed it along to many as well is the holding of said absolute that very source of infinite possibility and then sort of as we've talked about with Frank Yang on the show several times as well as like okay it's intellectual and then it becomes more and more experiential and then it's like okay well what happens if I just like sit and not do anything and that's when the ship becomes realized yeah yeah sitting and not doing anything we got to do some shit but you know what once you once you realize the mind is just fighting for its own survival and you let it be there you don't identify with it it becomes such a beautiful practice so beautiful just grounded you feel unshakable unshakable yeah and then the polar opposite like you just said is the abiding in emptiness and the unshakability it's so strong it's so strong when you're in that space you just feel like it's eternal unshakable whatever happens you're still here I'm curious where your hesitation comes from because you seem you seem quite familiar with direct experience and yet what is that which feels the potential of I am not good enough to be able to say that I know it's funny I said I told you I went through this big transformation of needing validation I think simultaneously there's still a lingering doubt distortion fine it's paradox wanting to be seen yet right because with as Bentini has talked about the more authentically you are yourself it comes with both sides of being seen and it comes with the people die hards who resonate with everything you say and opposite polarity of those who really dislike what you say I don't know if you saw it but on Bentini on Instagram one day he wrote he screenshotted something someone wrote on one of his comments and someone had written I hope you rot in a prison cell and he said even though he doesn't really identify with it it's still to a certain extent irks him when he's trying to show love and support for the entire world he says something like that you know and have you ever heard the aphorism it goes with the crown comes the guillotine yeah yep we take on so much of maximizing the potential of the collective and are very misunderstood and very similarly if you were to watch these two dudes from you from seven years ago watching us have this conversation you'd be like what do they mean don't do anything and sit in emptiness yeah yeah yeah yeah and and that's the paradigmatic shift that is coming where the resonance of silence becomes more truly loved right now there's no love for that empty source space what was the last time that you just looked at space that's one of my favorite exercises I love looking at space every time I look at space I become space and it's just emptiness and so you think it's like out of the 16 hours of waking perception that people have daily 8 billion right so it's it's somewhere around let's say 128 billion waking hours of human perception daily what what percentage of that is past and my estimate would be it's less than 1% and that's the shift in 2020 2030 is a shift to 1% 2% 3% popularizing it more and more to where people recognize that wow how is it possible that if you gather for example you were just on a camping trip right and we gather people in our living room let's say in our houses or whatnot and typically what happens is you gather three five seven people whatnot and everyone talks talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk all night long talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk oh there's some space need to fill it with talking and what you learn is that sometimes when you're around really subtle awakened people and nobody talks and you just abide in silence together that there's actually more awakening that is catalyzed through silence than there is through talking absolutely absolutely I think it was Alan Watts he was talking about how something to do with the human condition and we think and the only thing we think about our thoughts and then we think more about thoughts and we have other thoughts about those thoughts so where where's the space for learning where's the space for growth you're having the same thoughts over and over and over again and thinking about those thoughts and yeah just what you said about the silence even going back to doing like we were talking about you have to do something but the person you think is doing something doesn't even exist so who is it that's doing something and I think Bentino he was saying it's on might have been call number two or three the physical is the crystallization of the vibration it is the end result how can you do something from the end result it's the end right all doing is an unfolding of the vibrational state mm-hmm yep perfect so focusing on that vibration is integral this has been talked about for a while which is that as we navigate our way back inward with that absolute GPS callback and we hit this ineffable changeless nature beyond all coming and going we Lao Tzu says Wu Wei there is this very effortless action that arises as is said in rickpa in zhok chen the very spontaneous presence in creativity unfolding now that depending on the skill will be a specific caliber let's say of Bodhisattva for example if one spent 20 years in understanding science and engineering and entrepreneurship and art it is easier for them to be a architect of the protocols that enable the meeting of the sustainable development goals whereas if somebody lands at said ineffable changeless that does not have that experience then there's a different style of Bodhisattva and so every single time that one of the planetary basic needs is met we have to also remember that that is what also enables people to investigate the changeless because ain't nobody got time to go inward when it's bouncing between two 40 hour per week jobs to feed three kids and so what will happen when we create that universal basic stakeholder infrastructure where people actually have their basic needs being met so that they can embark on these virtual reality pedagogies that sort of take them through an investigation of who am I what is I what is me and go through this style of like VR AR mixed reality style pedagogy of this journey inward that then leads them to the recognition and then that makes them more of appear shepherd or steward for the awakening so I always like to I always like to say that there is simultaneously these little like asterisks along that way which is that that the protocols when you have your needs being met enables more of the investigation word and also depending on what you learned prior to uniting enables you as a bodhisattva I'm curious as to what you think of cases like Eckhart Tolle's awakening you know his story I'm not sure if he shared it in the power of now it wasn't one of the two books I forget which one but basically long story short he was in a suicidal state he had no prior seeking in this life at least there was no prior seeking there was no distilling no no shadow work he was suicidal he was ready to kill himself he was in a suicidal state and he had this thought that was I can't live with myself and then he started thinking about that thought I can't live with myself who is the I that the self cannot live with and then he realized there was a separation being created in the mind the I and the self that is separate to the eye and he had went into an immediate vortex and he woke up his entire perspective everything had changed he had no idea what happened to him absolutely no idea what happened to him but he just said I started noticing the sunlight picked up a pencil it was beautiful I went and sat in a park bench basically like no home in pure bliss for days and it was only after a little while later when he was searching that he found out what had happened to him some like I'm curious if you have any thoughts on stories like that where it's instantaneous this is the beauty of intelligent infinity is that you'll never come to the end of all possibility and so you'll get these awakenings that happen on the spectrum of decades and decades and decades and then you'll get these awakenings that are sudden so the gradual and sudden are two poles and that people have been flow between them people get pops people sometimes have no idea what happens for days and then they're like how do I get back to that what was that and all this type of stuff and it's fascinating and over time we'll end up documenting more of people's unique experiences with Satori on the program and then be sharing that and making it streamlined in the media how cool would it be to have literally you know a channel that only featured people talking about their Satori perfect and right now we have two poles of in the United States at least it's very liberal versus conservative propaganda and it has absolutely nothing to do with enlightenment or awakening and the investigation inward and so now imagine what it would look like if you had a pole that was like featuring people awakening gradually and then another one that was featuring people awakening suddenly and they were kind of like bickering a little bit and showcasing examples that would be cool I do it at that shit every night yeah but you know what it's beautiful that they're channels like yours you know there's like Gaia now which is I mean which is a Netflix for I wouldn't say I don't know about everything on it but I've watched a few things and they're beautiful there's a couple of really a lot of really cool content things you are doing you know like Richard Condon stuff Bantino stuff there's there's all these beautiful profits emerging and even Oprah had Eckhart she had Eckhart Tolleon and she did the whole book club with him which was really cool yeah it's really clear that the awakening is entering into the media space via all these nodes that you just listed in it's awesome two things that we should cover one of them is what you wrapped with about 20 or 30 minutes ago you were talking about the a nuanced difference in NLM and NLS can you share slash unpack that at however much you feel comfortable with as you know there's only so much we can share because of our NDAs it's funny when I first joined came into NLS from NLM it seemed a little scattered but now in retrospect it was the same when we on the first month of NLM and both were I feel actually now that I'm thinking about it very fortunate to be part of the beginning of both programs so just to see how you know things progressed one of the subtleties I would say is Bantino's presence in the family chat makes a very big difference the energy the space the direction he brings it it's just like this north star you know if there's any topics that are I don't want to say misunderstood but if there's certain discussions between topics or there's a certain you know two people are quote-unquote bickering about about a certain topic Bantino can step in and kind of give his his more give his guidance from from a clear perspective from a clear perspective and it makes a big difference in the evolution of everybody everybody that that is and also he has this he's the leader he has a leadership role he has a leadership presence in NLS where all peers so there is this room for you know with Bantino says something everyone's kind of like okay cool this makes sense and if I'm not I'm not like any different from what I'm about to say but like there are reflections pointed out and our own distortions come through with that as well right it's not it's not always clear it's not always coming from the clearest place even if it's unconscious so that I would say is kind of the the differences the biggest kind of differences and also the fact that it's 90 people versus 23 people yep right and but that being said in the last week or two the energy shift in NLS is huge huge it's beautiful it's beautiful like I said this leader stepping up this people providing structure there's you started a meditation call and yeah there's just the energy shift has been and I think it's just because you know you start a new group everyone's trying to like find their place there's all these personalities that think they need to like when it all kind of settles in and everyone is on the same page it's the energy shifted it's so nice now it's really nice it's a lot quieter and it's a lot more intentional more service to others I would say as opposed to I think a lot of shares earlier were it wasn't even shares I think there was a lot of intention before and just connecting and just excited to be around other people who are in who are on the same path but now it settled more into a purification intention beautiful great share I also feel like Ula's recommendation with accountability partners ended up clearing out a lot of the NLS chat because now we do it with our partners a lot of the work which is super interesting absolutely and I think Nathan Nathan who shared the structure the document the structure he shared a document that gave structure to the accountability partners which was well was that mark and Sonia or maybe oh you're right yeah yes cool cool yep yep and that's been huge I feel like this is the general trajectory of groups like you indicated is that if you look at another click let's say Bezos and the executives at Amazon there's a small group of the sea level execs that continuously discuss Amazon's trajectory and then there's a group of maybe a hundred of the vice presidents and they're in another group where Bezos doesn't pop in as much or whatever just to give an analogy and that the VP's in the group of a hundred maybe at first are a little bit a like prove myself in this way or that way and then over time it's kind of more of a maybe more of a little bit of a relaxing a little bit more of a it's there's a divine unfolding aspect to this and this is a juxtaposition that does no longer really holds because in the business sphere there's there's no there's not much awakened in the business sphere so there's there's no sort of relaxing into the divine perfection that it is there's a perpetual I will do because of the watch because I think that the material possession is going to make me happy but so in the case of what's happening in NLS it does really feel like there's a sort of a natural both relaxation into the surrendered divine unfolding of what's happening along with that bit of beautiful structure like what you were saying with maybe willa coming in and saying hey accountability partners or do you guys think or like hey guys what about these you know these NLS I would say that one of the components that's most successful in the group right now is when Bentino gives an assignment or when we say that hey let's take one of those video calls from the no limits mentorship all watch it and then have a conversation about it in a sense this very like intention driven and I think that has a lot to do with what you were saying about the intention drivenness of it and also the purification drivenness of it because now there's like the in a sense it feels like the Navy SEALs aspect to it is kicking in a little bit more which is which is in a sense what I'm most excited about I love it when there's other Navy SEALs that are like yo there's a call on Saturday about some of the profound bits in one of the NLM videos and it's like yep that's a homework assignment you know I'm on it you know I'm on it because like I know what that's gonna provide for the further purification and the purification of where we're coming from in service etc so this is probably one of my favorite conversations that I've had with another NLS member because we're doing it really surgically and really precisely while maintaining this sacredness of the NDA and whatnot and I think that it's also cool to have this with you because you came in a month before me I've been in for about a month now and that we are now having a conversation about the structure which will in a sense be a cool way for people that are entering in to further which is what NLM did NLM did this process and we recently saw that sort of get replied to a little bit ago where it was beautiful watching as they created some sort of a how do we keep our living room clean was one of the small ways to think about it right how do we keep our living room clean is one of the ways to think about it so there's a lot of fascinating aspects to group dynamics like this that I feel like are going to be critical as more of the awakening picks up yes yes I agree yeah I think one of but you nailed it by saying the intention has shifted a lot and it's it doesn't seem as though the share seemed very intentional and service to others it's not sharing to look at me it's not sharing to be seen it's sharing with intention to to provide to support to illuminate there was a share recently I believe it was by NADA and I watched it today and she shared it a few weeks ago and it was it really helped me refine my calling today and if she shared a video with Richard Condon yeah I saw you replied to that yeah cool yeah so yeah like I said it's really it's really great to see the shift that NLS is in right now and I know the team they have there's been Tina on the team they're still doing a lot of refinement and there's a lot of ideas and so yeah it should be I should be exciting to see where it goes I'm just gonna say because been Tina or his his calling is to ignite global awakening and he really sees both of these as tools towards that yes yeah and the callings that are shining in NLS are all part of this mission and the mission is very beautifully both centralized and decentralized which is really fascinating and it's it's sacred there's just no other way to speak about it it's just sacred and we're grateful beyond words that we're here and it's unbelievable this guidance that has been happening there's that little meme where it's like the higher self is pushing the you it's like you're in the little cart and the higher self is pushing you down there so but it's so funny and and like there's like just so much gratitude for landing in this spiritual Navy Seals container and the we were messaging about this like a week or two ago where we were just reflecting on just how just yummy it's just it tastes delicious it feels really good on the nervous system this intention driven purification driven awakening driven Navy Seals-esque style of approach which I can't find anywhere else yeah it's just it's not as cleanly reflecting impurities and ascending and awakening and weaving realizations into the fabric I really liked what Bantino and team reflected to me in Costa Rica which was something along the lines of you're not ready and it was really important because they had this analogy which is your need to force your perspective is what's going to create holes in the ship so until you can relax your perspective and hold the view of the absolute from a completely pure place with the intention of just transparent purification you can't be yet ready which is why it looks like the NLM is slowly becoming ready and and so for those that don't know there's like a no limits mentorship layer up here that's closest to like Bantino in the existing team and then there's the no limit society which is sort of this next level layer which is there's about a hundred people in this one and then there's about 23 as mesh said in the no limits mentorship one which is where Bantino is kind of directly coming in and chatting and they're keeping the living room more clean and now this seems like this living room is being kept more clean of then a less which is great yep so blessed beyond words it's amazing it's like you said the I don't I haven't found anything else that's similar to this because there are a lot of spiritual communities at least from the ones I've experienced or at least ones I yeah the ones I've experienced are more that fourth density like you know more than stuff like that so this is just a it's just coming I feel like from a cleaner a cleaner space yep I would say the general zeitgeist of the fourth density heart chakra opening community which is the vast majority of spiritual community is the inability to balance with wisdom and that's why the law of one density ascent resonates so deeply with us is because that is really the core aspect to what's wrong in a sense with that overly zealous love martyrdom and that's why people go and relentlessly overzealous Lee need to awaken their family and their friends and that the jokes are endless the endless shadow work the endless trauma work the endless tree hugging and tree planting and and you never even get an understanding of what it's like to be a mirror you never get to that understanding and that's a shame because there's nothing as beautiful as being so empty that you get to hold space for the pure service to the awakening of the creation through that process because it's so needed right now for people to be awakened enough and open enough and empty enough like that to provide those reflections to those that are most which is what you could say happened to me as I described to you my experience by the team getting that style of reflection and only those truly willing to receive said reflection and not run away it's easy to get it and be like this community telling me what you and then run away because you know you got hijacked by the conditioning to run away and now you go to somewhere more comfortable do the Navy SEALs run away to what's more comfortable and so it's so easy to avoid discomfort and suffering and do everything in your power to not feel it's so easy and I mean I was talking with somebody recently who was saying it's almost like they're trying to use spiritual concepts to avoid it so it's like in a way saying I'm just meditating so I don't suffer I'm meditating so I don't suffer so I was like what what's wrong with suffering what's wrong with suffering if it's coming up why why are you avoiding it she's like well I just want to be in my power I just want to be in my power great so isn't the most powerful thing you can do to let what comes up come up isn't that true power so yeah there's this distortion of spiritual concepts that are actually hurting the awakening process again I think that comes from this fourth density heavy precisely and I would like to rap with asking you about your calling being about joy and clarity and what that means to you and what you've felt that you would like to create as experiences for people to feel even with identifying my calling today this morning I was really refined into joy and clarity when I watched that video shared by Nada I was very elusive for me for a long time ever since I was young I knew I was kind of like whenever I saw my mom upset I would go give her a tissue or like if I saw someone hurting I would go talk with them let's sit with them last time what's wrong and I think this so I initially thought my calling had to do with funny because what we just talked about but I thought my calling had to do with helping people get rid of their suffering but in an Alem it became abundantly clear to many reflections to me that I wanted to stop people from suffering because I was uncomfortable with suffering and suffering plays a very key role in your awakening process and one of my favorite quotes by Benchino is are you it's I'm paraphrasing but it's something along the lines of are you so arrogant to think you know better than their higher self and I love so this was like back to square one for me what do I want to do how do I want to affect people and obviously it was around service to others and just listening to Robert sorry Richard Condon today he was saying what kind of world do you want to live in what kind of world do you want to create and just listening to him I was just trying to sit in the space what really resonates for me what really resonates and I think the flip of getting rid of people suffering I don't want to get rid of their suffering but I do I get I love it when I see people just in in a joyful blissful state it's so beautiful because you know that they're not like in they're not a person in that moment in that joyful it's not a person anymore it's just pure connection it's pure like vibration and bliss and it's not it's such an expansive feeling so that's the joy that's the joy like when you see somebody do something selfless for somebody else and they you see the joy they get from from it's just such an expansive feeling beautiful and the clarity I think the clarity is the other thing when I mean clarity I mean helping people or it doesn't even have to be me helping people it's just when people see if there was something in someone's experience that was contracting contract or contracted for them understanding that that is false you're identified you're contracting because you're identifying with something false and then when they have the clarity to see when they actually have the moment of clarity oh my god that was false holy cow what a beautiful thing that is these are great just to share an experience where that happened to me was I was meditating this was recently I think I shared it I'm not sure if you were on the group at this point but I shared it and unless I was meditating and I was sitting in the space causal body and I was trying to who's aware of the who's aware of the space who's aware of the space so I'm trying to get into this space and all these little my mind just keeps popping up with this and I might keep popping up with that and I started to get frustrated and I and then I noticed that this judgment and all this little judgments come up saying you've been meditating for so long why are you still struggling with this you've been meditating for so long why are you focusing on this and then I noticed the judgment and then I became aware of the judgment and I had this beautiful moment of clarity where I have never judged myself a thought of judgment arises and I choose to identify with the thought of judgment but I have never judged myself and that moment of clarity it was huge because that's God that's how God sees you yeah cool so if I could help people have these same types of realizations to see themselves the way God sees them to know there's nothing to be scared of that's where that's the kind of work I want to do how does it look like have you talked with V about joy could be interesting for you guys to talk about joy because you talk about joy from a really high understanding of it and he does as well and I would say that that taste that you described he also describes and so that's why and yeah and the yeah that would be a good idea and then the clarity also it it really is the cessation of the arguing with God and all of the clarity comes from the turn inward and the cessation of the arguing and the clared and just with my calling with people experiencing truth one of the most simple ways that people can do that is like you described with this point of deep clarity that they feel when they see that oh shit I'm aware of awareness I'm aware of being I'm aware of I am I'm aware of I exist I'm finally becoming more aware of that and less focused on objects substances relationships experiences that will make me happy and so that shift inward then also as they unite with that clarity they see everything as one intelligence at play with itself and then even the identity of the person dissolves and this is a sort of a big transformational moment of clarity because the taking on the universe as your as Frank Yang says cosmic octopus so now you've become the cosmic octopus having endless sex and play with itself and then you really are like okay like mesh is a tentacle and I'm a tentacle and there's seven point nine nine nine nine nine billion other tentacles and and there's all the other like sentient species on the planet and there's just a lot of you know dogs and cats are trying to become humans and there's like so much stuff there's higher selves in the equation and and you you really become humble enough to stop being arrogant and to stop arguing and you get more clarity Frank and I will be doing some work in the visualization of that and we're really looking forward to making that more mainstream because it does feel like these visualizations of the sort of center less non-dual even the very no-self that this has a large propensity to ignite awakening because so many are very visual you already are the universe you are the source of the universe you are this creation but you the contracted identity that's all it's all game of identity just relax that contracted identity and you'll get the joy and the clarity and you'll get to weave the realizations into society by being a steward a shepherd by being empty and holding that mirror like space and there's just it's so rich everywhere you look to see the one intelligence it's so rich and then yeah and then it all makes sense it all clicks because you've went all the way in to realize that you are that which manifested this at play with itself in terms of what you said about visualization for me one of the I love video game analogy because I play a lot of video games and it's it's it's so good because right now let's say you're playing a Grand Theft Auto or something you're in this world you're controlling this character but you're believing you're the character you're believing you're the character except everything in that world is an expression of one thing it's all pixels or it's all ones and zeros that character does not exist you the higher you the person the higher self is controlling or guiding this character but as soon as you begin to believe you that character then you've lost you've become you're behind that veil you're behind that veil of forgetfulness right and it's as if the character if the character in the video game doesn't really do anything it doesn't do anything it's guided by you it's guided by the control is guided by the user and I love I love that analogy because it's so apt to for a representation yeah it is a higher self component with the video game character is really strong there and also the game console as source itself and then the different games being the creations infinite games infinite characters that's why it's also been called the eternal stage and you appear and disappear and you appear and disappear but will you learn to identify yourself as that which does not appear and disappear as that which is the source of it as that which is beyond coming and going and so this is the shift in identity shift your identity but along with shifting your identity we've learned that you know love and accept yourself perfect I love what Bantino shared today on the mentorship about quantum acceptance did you get a chance to read that it was one of the last messages okay and I think either the Costa Rica retreat or the one he's doing now a new term that came up was that came out him was a quantum acceptance where there's acceptance where you're trying to accept all these different things quantum acceptance is understanding that everything is already accepted by God nothing is rejected perfect I see it perfect ready yes yeah that was so beautiful perfect I understand that everything see the entire creation at play with itself as already fully accepted by the very source that manifested the creation to play with itself yes it's only our noisy mind that says that I cannot accept so distance yourself from that noisy mind through the breath there's many good practices to relax into just being into just awareness just I am I exist not trying to get anything out of it that's another great one full radical acceptance and not needing to extract anything these are the types of things that people will get access to by joining the no limit society which we've been putting in the links in the bio of our conversations with members yeah so do if this resonates with you just check out the link in the bio below go and read what Bintini and the team wrote about the no limit society they really meticulously wrote about it so that those that are truly adepts ready for this can gain access to these insights that we're talking about right now it's such a powerful space it is such a place I can tell you I've been doing self-help work for at least a decade and lots of great insights I'm absolutely but nothing is nothing we get we got to think like when we're 18 we're not really ready at when we were we were at to take on in a sense the information in the change in identity the shift to seeing everything as the creator at play with itself already radically being perfect and accepting it the way it is and now albeit there are I know 18 year olds now that know this yeah which is amazing in the awakening but this is why we've went through this so-called 10-year process of yes becoming ready we prepared ourselves yes but also ran amuck not very direct yeah but also somewhat direct yeah yeah yeah I mean a lot of myself help stuff was ego-based it had nothing to do with self-realization it was just how do you be more efficient how do you make your memory better how do you get stronger faster that's what I was learning I was learning from CEOs like you know don't not like don't sleep but like you want to be working 80 hour weeks if you want to be successful that's the content I was consuming when I was my atheist period and even when I was into self-realization I was still consuming a lot of that stuff because I didn't know this concept of unfold the doing unfolding out of the vibration yes and what was my vibration at that point it was terrible it's I want to be something which means conversely that I'm not something so yeah it's just raising your vibration focus on the roots and where where are the roots they're right next to the they're the horizon of the black hole nourish repeatedly without any expectation and then we unfold from that vibrational state wow there's so many good ones there's that one who's aware of the space abiding and emptiness unshakable eternal versus mind we got to do some shit brah I'm the eternal source space of all possibility this one from the beginning to what extent are my actions trying to please the child versus be in pure service to others understand what the catalyst is trying to show you where am I coming from to what extent of my coming from needing to be seen amazing show together mesh thank you thank you so much for having me it was such a blast and I love what you're doing here I love I love what you're doing here it's so beautiful it's so it's an honor and I've shared this with the V is that the guests that come on the show have a unique aroma they have a unique taste of union and so we get to share that and with the audience and in the process we get to capture a cool piece of content and we and we get to do this tennis style dialectic creation talking to itself and as that happens guess what the soul attunement also gets stronger and so I the atlas soul gets to learn a lot from these processes and then the guests also do and that's also really fun as when the guest is like this created a forcing function for me to share and in the sharing process I ended up learning about how to say something a way that I previously hadn't thought of before or whatnot absolutely your our mini conversation yesterday over text where you just briefly said yeah we're just going to let it flow and talk about that and I think in passing you mentioned calling and I was like man I'm not a hundred percent sure I'm like calling like it's still not um it's I knew what it was surrounding but it wasn't articulated clearly and because this triggered me to go deep into that Richard video today and it was beautiful and thank you for that because I was on cloud nine this morning when I recognized what it was I was on cloud nine and it was because you know when you identify you you identify by the feeling of expansiveness that you get from it and I was just like this is it yeah and the second just most delicious feeling which is embedded within this first for me around the calling of people experiencing truth is people unleashing their callings right that's such a critical part of this and so the creation wants itself to unleash its callings by all of the turns inward in the stopping of the arguing and it came also because now they'll put the content in and all of these components that lined up dupe dupe dupe and then it was like unlock yay totally yeah totally such a beautiful creation that was a really good one the quantum acceptance that's a really good one full radical devotional surrendered acceptance that you as a person do not know as much as the very source of it all already radically loves and accepts it all so relax the fuck out of that contracted ass selfish ass perspective i love that i love that a lot it's like going all the way in to the very emptiness itself and then realizing that the emptiness already fully accepts its infinite creation perfect i don't want to ventino's arrogant quotes i love is are you so arrogant to think that you're the only thing that's not accepted in this world yep boom just so strong i'm so grateful definitely one of my favorite nls convos we've had on the program is just on fire mesh so good i honestly appreciate you having me here i got so much out of it and i'm sure your audience will get out of a lot of everything you're doing here and i hope it grows man i hope it grows to infinity and everyone who needs to see this yeah we have a a beautiful array especially recently in the last month of very high level awakened tennis players that have come on and have blossomed and so especially this last month highly recommend people to go back and listen to the conversations and take some notes reflect on what's been shared and especially i'm just saying stuff like this i think everybody can relate to this even if you don't know what the stillness is you can like kind of relate to it yeah yeah yeah hell yeah and let's see where should we where should we recommend people to can people follow you somewhere instagram youtube yeah instagram's fine i've been kind of inactive on it it's mostly for my music stuff but it's not kind of surrounding this content um yeah instagram's i'm sure i'm sure i will now that my calling is more clear i will be sharing more content in relation to that clarity enjoy awesome we'll have the link in the bio below to yeah give mesh of follow and let us know i just want to say even if someone just wants to have a conversation feel free to i'm like i can have jump on a call like anytime i love having conversations if anybody just wants to talk or discuss anything i can offer any insight i do have and would love to thank you so nice excellent so message in for convo and let us know your thoughts in the comments below in the episode thank you everyone for tuning in love to hear from you about what resonated and also to share it with other people that you feel like this would resonate with like the video if it brought you value helps the algorithm subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet and infinite love that was fire perfect thank you atlas thank you mesh thank you thank you everyone cool i'll end the broadcast we'll stay in the 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Do you ever wonder what happens when the police leave? Crime scene cleaners are private companies that handle the cleanup after the police are gone. Spalling Decon is one of the nation's largest cleanup companies handling the aftermath of homicides, suicides, decompositions, hoarding, and much more. These are our stories. I'm here today in Tampa area on an unattended death, excuse me myself, and show me's in the back there. This individual unfortunately passed away from unknown causes and was not found for approximately six to eight weeks. And then it's been an additional three to four weeks since we were able to kind of get in here. It's pretty intense in there. And you can actually see that it's continued to grow as it was unintended. So it looks like we're definitely taking the entire flooring for the bathroom and we believe that it is soaked into the walls. We're going to have to go into the walls as well. Yeah, it looks like it's just been traveling through the ground lines. So honestly, at the end of the day, I think this bathroom will be completely gutted. Yeah, it's going to happen. It's intense. Everything. There are flies everywhere, not only in there, but in all parts of the home. So one of the other things on all the walls, they're leaving in from the bathroom out. There's also larvae on the wall. So they're nesting. They've made this their home. So as she said, you can see these in opposite side of the house. You can see the flies and the larvae as well. Yeah, it's a pretty intense situation. We'll probably be here a couple of days getting this rectified and getting the odor situation under control. But this is a big one. Absolutely. Then we're going to have to go in there, pick up all the towels and the stools and stuff. We're taking out a big bio-maggot. And then our job is to smash and break all the tile so we can pull it up.  So we're also going to have to take the wall, the cabinet stuff. We're going to have to check to see if it's in there. We actually have a chemical called indicator. When we spray it, it thumbs up and tells us where there's bio waste. So anything that we indicate that we can't clean it after three attempts, it's gone. Stuff like this that has a veneer surface on it, typically we can clean it. But these grout lines like this is very porous and it goes into it. And then once it gets underneath this, it just runs like crazy. Yeah, this is a hot mess. Yeah. Yeah, I mean definitely the walls in the closet are going to go. These walls here, the bifold door, I would just honestly take the tile up at the threshold and keep going all the way in. Because it's just been sitting so long it went through the grout line and yeah, it's a mess, mess, mess. When we walked in here, we knew that the main spot where the unattended body was found was in the master bathroom. But our concern was as the first responders come and find the body, they track blood and other bio throughout the house. So what we have to do is indicate outside the main area to make sure that we are cleaning and decontaminating those areas as well. And so what we do is this doorway here is the main entrance that we're using in and out of the house. So we're using that to make sure that from this point on that we're not continuously cross-contaminating the rest of the house. So we claim to our master bathroom. Then once we get into our master bathroom, we indicate outside the realm of noticeable bio matter and blood. And then what we're going to do is as we're treating it with our chemical, what we call Part A, and what that is going to do is rehydrate the bio matter. And once it rehydrates the bio matter, we start to wipe and clean it up because we know we're going to have to pull up the tile. But we don't want to be slinging that bio matter around as we're pulling up that tile. So we have to do a surface clean first before we go and start looking at the subfloor and removing the tile and then getting into the walls as well.  When you're using a HEPA back, the HEPA filter, it takes in the particulates and all the bio matter and it keeps it all within the vacuum so that nothing gets back out into the air. When you try to use a SHOP back to do the exact same thing, it will push that particulate air back into your surrounding area. AC's on. I crank it down real low for suitable working conditions. As you see, we're in full Tyvek suits. We're in a respirator, but even with the AC currently set at 70, it is still hot. When you're working in there and just trying to scrub the floors, get everything up, use the HEPA vacuum. As you see, we also have the air scrubbers here. This is just to help pull all the particulate out of the air and try to reduce some of the smell. Hopefully, after we do the majority of it today, with the air scrubbers running, it will help reduce the smell a lot so that we can go to a N95 mask tomorrow, which is a lot less bearing on our face and our breathing capabilities. Until we get all the bio removed, we're not switching to the N95. Once we get all that removed, what we want to do is we want to place an ozone machine. That's one of the last steps, but what it does is it completely eliminates the entire odor and smell inside the house. Then we use odor blocks, which is like a car pine tree on steroids. What it does is it gives you whatever the scent is, ours are tropical. It gives you this tropical smell that will circulate through the house, keep the AC circulating and try to make sure that the house goes back to a normal smell as quick as possible. This has been here. We started to cut into the soil. The bio-matter started to seep up the wall. We're also seeing that because it was an unattended death and it sat here even after the body was discovered, so it went unattended for about two and a half weeks, actually three and a half weeks I think. Then it sat here for an additional six to eight weeks before the family decided how they could move forward. The walls were sucked up all the bio-matter, kind of like a sponge. Cleaning all that stuff up right now, what we have to look at next is into the wash basin here or the sinks. We're going to have to cut the kick plate off to see if it went beyond the kick plate at all. We're going to continue to clean the drywall. It looks like we're going to have to go into the drywall that's attached to the closet. Hopefully it didn't go too far into the closet and make us expand the job into the closet any further than it already has. Right now the only thing that we've had to do in the closet was pick up the flies that are nesting. Once we pull the drywall and the baseboard off, we are seeing nets and nets of flies and maggots and their little shell carcasses from where they transform from a maggot to a fly. Still got a whole day ahead of us. We're probably going to have to break into the shower as well, so stay tuned. Welcome back for day two. We want to introduce us to day two. How's day two going?  Oh really? Yeah, the screws are basically completely rusted. There's nothing to, no grooves on them to get anything to stick. It's spinning if you do turn it.  Once we get that up we'll basically be getting the rest of the tile over here up. Thankfully, thankfully nothing went through the grout line. So there might be like a spot here or two around the edges of the walls and stuff. Other than that, nothing went through which is a miracle because that never happens. And try to get the rest of it done today. This whole thing's going to have to come out. The wall? Or is this the wood? Like everything on this lower half. Because the back part is good but it's going under this board and everything and I'm sure that soaked it up. I mean, this isn't a support area so we should just be able to cut that whole square off on the bottom, right? The wood? The wood, the other side of the drywall? The drywall, yes. The wood, no. You have to scrub it. Yeah. Because I mean if it's going under, that's my concern. Because this one should be okay. I'll just scrub around and get what I can off there. And then if anything, we'll just paint some hills there. No problem. It's just coming out. I can scrub that but it doesn't work. I'm so nervous because I don't want to have to take out a supporting part. Yes ma'am. Break this down into pieces, stick it in the bag, we're good. It did go a little bit past the grout so we're going to take out these front tiles right in here. Just to be safe and then check it again. Hopefully that kind of stopped it. We're going to find out. Underneath here. That's what I was thinking. If it goes up underneath there, then we'll scrub it. That's the case that all of this is going to have to come out as well. Yep, sure does. Too deep but obviously we can't cut this because that is a supporting foundation for the tiles. This is your second bio now? Yeah, give or take. How do you feel? How was this one compared to yours? I mean it's basically the same thing as usual with what comes along with the work. Biohazards is what it is. You've got to have the stomach for blood and all that other good stuff. Other than that, it's just dead office for me. Do you feel like it's something you keep doing? Oh yeah, I enjoy it. I've been doing this stuff, working restoration for about five years now. So bio is just an extra perk. It helps me to learn something new. See you next time Mario. I'm sorry, I can barely hear you. We'll see you next time. Yes, sir. I appreciate y'all. Thank you. Shelby, this is what your fifth, sixth bio? I think like fourth or fifth. How'd it go? Almost like fifth. What's that? I'm going to say it was my fifth one. It wasn't nearly as bad as what I thought it would be. Just from what we were told before we started the job, we thought that we were going to have to take out a lot more. Thankfully we didn't. Although I was a little upset to see that it did kind of get into the wood frame of the shower. That was easy to get out after probably about what, an hour's worth trying to get the tile and wood up. It's all good. We filled up everything. We got to fog the house to help get rid of the rest of the remaining of the snow. And we should be good.


So, it's the day after. I didn't end up going to the gym last night. Surprise, surprise. But here we are. I'm at least going to go check it out. So it's about 9.30 in the morning. I'm checking out at 11. We're going to go hit a workout of some sort. But let's go check it out. They say they've got a tennis court.  So let's see. It's just over here. Paul's average. Let's go check out the gym.  How are you going to go to that party today? We'll party. No, no, they cancelled. I did? Yeah. Did you? No, I actually missed out. I didn't even... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ended up going to the gym. No, they can't. I haven't ate too much yesterday. Oh, yeah? Yeah, they put it in. Where are you going? For a workout. Right there.  Yeah. Yeah, man, there you go. How's Michelle, mate? That's awesome. Yeah, man. That is unbelievable. But I mean, God... Yeah. That's a round. Yeah. Too easy. Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, so that was just Andrew McDevitt who I just walked past. He won the fitness model comp. So he is a new WBFF pro and he's from Darwin. And my mate Michelle, who's from Alice Springs, won her pro card.  But right now I'm going to smash a workout. I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm going to do something, so let's get into it. Guys, one shoulder sesh done. I'm going to check it out.


Hello and welcome to yet another edition of Mapping Portlines, this time from the boxes of Zoom, as India is going through another wave of COVID-19. This week, the news has all been about Kazakhstan, where massive protests have broken out over the past few days. The situation is still very much in a flux, of course, to go through it quickly. We know that the protests broke out after price controls were withdrawn from liquefied petroleum gas, which is very important for people there because they use it to run their cars. The protests, of course, broke out in the oil-rich Mangestaw region province in the west, then spread to Almaty, which is one of the major cities. Over time, it also seemed that a variety of other groups also entered into this protest. There was a lot of violence looting of public buildings. The latest updates seem to be that some amount of order has been restored. President Kasim Tokai was forced to sack the government, restore some of the price controls. At one time, he has also made it very clear that he believes that this is an organized group which is working to destabilize the government. And of course, the CSTO, which is the regional organization Peacekeepers have been sent in. So we have with us Prabir Pulkai. I start to talk more about this. Prabir, first of all, your quick take on the situation on the ground based on what reports you've received as well and the significance of Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan, as you already said, is an oil-rich place, produces I think about 2% of oil, which is not an insignificant amount. It is also the largest producer of uranium in the world. So for energy purposes, this is obviously a very important part of the world. It's also in Central Asia, one of the places which has been very stable. Nur Sultan Nader Bey, who led it for 30 years, who was earlier the Communist Party head of Kazakhstan government. So he has had control over Kazakhstan, which has been always questioned that how much of it is really an oligarchic control or how much does it have the sanction of the people. And obviously, 30 years is a very, very long time. So it's possible that there are opinions, there are strong opinions on his continued grabbing of power, retention of power, which he still is supposed to do behind the scenes. And of course, the fact that Kazakhstan has also pursued open policies with respect to important capital, both in terms of the Chevron running its major oil fields and also other oil majors being in Kazakhstan. So Kazakhstan has a lot of strategic importance being of course central to the ventral initiative as well, as well as a major source of hydrocarbons. It has also a lot more of reserves of oil. So in that oil and as you said petroleum gas. So as you said, this is something which is difficult at first step to really understand in the context of what you've been discussing. Is it a part of a color revolution? Is it just a part of an order which had continued for a very long time and people getting wanting something different? Is it because of the gas prices going up, which it did more than double, which is I think for any government, a very, very drastic step to take. So are all of this contributing to something which is speeding into a larger political issue, which is to how to see that if NATO and its allies can intervene in Central Asia, having lost the prop of Afghanistan. US and its allies are wanting to see how it can intercept Asia. So one should not be surprised if they're behind what you see is Kazakhstan unrest. There are also organized forces in which NATO is also on the US is also a tacit partner if not an explicit one. So all of these are open conjectures. We don't know what it is, but we do know from what little we have seen of the visuals that arms were distributed fairly openly. There were cars going around distributing arms. The people who used the arms appear to have known the arms would be dropped where they would be dropped. There was some kind of an organized resistance which would be coordinated. Mukhar Ablaizov who was a former banker minister who fled the country after having stolen from the bank which he was heading, billions of dollars. He has claimed that all of this being orchestrated by him which might have been exaggeration, but his fingerprints could nevertheless be here. He does seem to have given calls there again, various notifications appearing. One of them strangely enough from the US embassy, which actually foregrounds the calls that he has made before the date. So it does seem that there were also organized forces behind some of these events. So what others have been saying, including the government of Kazakhstan, that this is an attitude to destabilize Kazakhstan and also to break it from its current projectory, which is a part of the larger constellation of forces who want to build the bridge road. Who want to be a part of the Belt Road Initiative and the larger Eurasian economic developments that are taking place. A common Eurasian market, of course, in which saw both Russia and China are big players. So it does seem that this is not simply an outburst of people's anger. There are forces which have been there, which have tried to move it in different directions. 18 policemen have died and one of them apparently had his head chopped off. Now that also seemed to indicate the people in this are not purely normal people protesting over the price price. There is an organized force or organized forces which have moved in and what they represent we still do not know. Let's hope that in the coming days we'll get a clearer picture of this. So Praveer, like you said, of course Kazakhstan playing a very important role in the region because of its size, because of the mineral resources it has. And also immediately after the protest, at least a few days after the protest, Burkart President Tokayev invoked the clause whereby the collective security treaty organization, the CSTO, asked for peacekeepers and I believe around 2500 peacekeepers are on the way, many of them have already reached. Some of them apparently played a role in taking back the Almaty airport from those who had occupied it. So now a lot of this is also being seen in terms of whether this is part of the encirclement of Russia that we talked about in the past. Russia, Ukraine talks around Ukraine, of course, coming up between Russia and US. Anthony Blinken has made some very aggressive statements. So how do we see this in this context as well? I think what it has done is put the CSTO states much closer to Russia. And that is something which will in the future have a bearing on what's also the NATO talks with Russia or more correctly the US talks with Russia about NATO. Is there a possibility of NATO entering Central Asia? At the moment that seems to have been blocked. The CSTO therefore seems at the moment to be the only stabilizing force available in the region. And the fact that you have this appeal by the president of Kazakhstan to come and stabilize the situation. It only had about 2500 CSTO troops which were required in order to stabilize the situation. It seemed to indicate that he wasn't very sure of his own forces. It's also borne out by the fact that he has moved against the chief of the security agency over there. So the fact that he wasn't so sure is perhaps the reason he wanted support from his CSP partners to come and then he could bank upon. And then of course the Kazakhstan security forces have moved in and they have taken back Almaty from the rioters. Seems that Almaty is now under control. Astana the capital which is now also called Lutsultan was never in any case in trouble. So it seems that the initiative has been taken back by Kazakhstan forces with the help of CSQ. CSQ as you know has Belarus in it. It has a number of other central Asian countries in it. So we have seen recently Albania, Azerbaijan and the Russians in fact intervened on that as speed keepers. So increasingly what we are seeing is that this region, the United States or NATO does not seem to have any major footprints. They had bases earlier. In fact the US had bases in some of these countries. Most of these countries have asked those bases to be warmed up and they have left. So increasingly with the fall of Afghanistan as far as NATO is concerned. It does appear the Central Asia is going to chalk out its own path and CSTO as well as for the Shanghai cooperation. The economic deals that are being struck between Russia and China. All of this along with the Belt Road initiative I think is going to see a different trajectory of development. And therefore this particular event what we are seeing in Kazakhstan could be in some sense a turning point. The region turns away from NATO from the United States and looks at its neighbors for stability. And even if internal changes have to take place they will not take place through color revolutions of the kind that we have seen earlier. Or the external forces. Muhtar Ablaizavs. Muhtar Ablaizavs comments notwithstanding that you would like the West to help but the West is actually not helping him. But I don't think that's as innocent as it appears because after all he is in France in a very posh place. And he has been given the fugitive status in spite of the fact that almost everybody including the courts agree that he has stolen money from the banks in setting. So given all of that I don't think that this is a minor issue. I think this is a straw in the wind that Central Asia is now going to chart its own path and Russia and China are going to be important players in that. And increasingly the Western powers are not going to have much of a foothold there since even the direction of school. Thank you so much for me. That's all we have time for in this week's show of Mapping Fortlines. We'll be back next week with major developments from around the world. Until then keep watching us.