Hello out there in television land and welcome. It's the December version of Stump the Chumps, our topic this evening, Williston. I'll be frank with you folks, I know nada. That is nothing about Williston, but I'm no fool because right with me today are two esteemed gentlemen that know everything you wanted to ever know and more about the town of Williston. And my immediate left, Herb Goodrich. He knows it all and what he doesn't know, the man on his immediate left will tell us Howard Lunderville, Mr. Williston, and between the two of them you'll be high pressed to stump us on Williston questions. And we've got some dozers for you and we've taped a little bit as an introduction yesterday.  We've got swell prizes for you folks and we plan to ask a lot of interesting questions. Eat your heart out, Channel 33. ETV gets all that foundation money to do a slick show. This is a real Williston show, folks. We'll tell you what Williston's all about when we come back, we'll have a short introductory tape and we invite you to call us here at 862-3966 and buy for some swell prizes like this Vermont teddy bear, this little fella's going to go to the one that you fellas judge with me to be the best caller that we received this evening. So after the tape, we'll be back and we welcome your calls to our program. Stand by and listen to the interesting questions that we throw out at you at this tape and then give us a ring right when we come back. And I think you'll enjoy the little historic view through Williston with us as we did this scene yesterday morning. Here's a stump to chumps. Here it is, December, and we are in the town of Williston, and I couldn't have picked more esteemed gentlemen than are present with me today in the meeting rooms of the town hall. On my left, Howard Lunderville, need I say more, and on my right, Herb Goodrich. You're going to need an awful lot of thinking to stump these two fellas and they've got some great questions. The reason we're inside is to be frank with you, it's cold out there. And my cameraman, Al Angle, says we'll do the filming inside and then go outside and surround the questions that we're going to ask here with some visuals. So the first question involves a bridge here, and how can we frame this, Howard? They're going to see it and how can we frame the question here? Where is the bridge on the east side of Williston that goes nowhere? Yeah, and who had the great foresight to build that thing? Great construction job. All right, thanks, Howard. Now, our next question, and Herb, I'm going to join you, and you're going to ask us about some other site here, and this is what kind of question can we ask the folks about this site? Right on the corner of Oak Hill Road and route two, there was a building. Can anybody tell us what that building is and who run it? Right, it's a public building for us. Who ran that? Well, you're looking at the army now, do you tell us what was there before the army was built? There are two public buildings around, I'd say, right? Right, okay. Herb, you've got a question about this site here. Yeah, it's a grocery store, which is now owned by Tom and Kim. Can anyone tell us who the four or five original owners, or what it has been of that store? All right, I'll get him guessing. It thinks a lot. Yes, sir, town of Williston, citizen of the year again, because Howard Lunderville has informed me, the town has been saved a lot of money over the years, not having to pay for a lot of street removal and stuff like that. It's all been taken care of for you, Howard. And what's the question involving that? The question is, who is the first one that is, and who is the one, the gentleman that is doing it now? And also, not on the payroll, so you agree with me on the money, right? That's right. All right, and you have a couple other questions that you can ask the viewers. Yes, I'd like to know what was at Pine Ridge School before Pine Ridge School was there. Okay. And another one, what was at the town of Limefield before the Limefield was there? Beautiful. I'll start them off with a movie that they're still thinking about. And don't forget to call in folks, 862-3966. Okay, what was located originally where Friendly's is at top corners? Beautiful question. Only one particular, again, a public building, what was there? Private business? No, I'll give it away if I try to get any other answers. What was where Friendly's is now? Yes. Number two. There were two creameries in town. Where were they located? And who owned them? And who owned them? All right. And the third one I had is there was an open-air theater. And wait a minute, the roof blew off or what are you talking about? No, it was just things that just went on during the summer time, movies. At night with outdoor lights surrounding the situation? Right, and where was it located? I'll be done. Now, there was also a couple of, were there canneries in town? At all, any other businesses, granaries? There was a grain mill and also a big grocery store in the northern part of town. The northern part of town, the grocery store. We want to know who owned that one. Beautiful. And we're also wanting to discuss murders on this program. We want to know some mystery here in town. I guess we had a couple of those, too. Well, we want to know who they involved. And we can talk the big fires here in town. And anything else that our viewers want to discuss, we're available to them. In addition, give us a raise. You know, we have a call right away. We don't like to keep the callers waiting around here. Hello, you're on the air. Hello, you're on there. Hello? Sir, you're going to have to think harder than that because I know Herb knows already. And I'm sure Howard does. Hold on, sir, we'll tell you. How about that molasses and feathers of the town post-mestress? You're tired and feathered? No, molasses and feathered. Sir, is that true? They really did that? Yeah. Why? Howard, what did they do that for? Because somebody was supposed to be going with somebody else, a good man going with somebody else. Women trouble again. Right. And I was the one that had to do the arrest. You got them on a 604. Way to go. Sir, you've got one more question. Go ahead. In the United States. And they were from Williston. We're going to go with the right brothers. You're going to be right with the right. You're not going to be wrong with the right. We did it again. Sir, thank you very much for your questions. They're terrific ones. And my friend, you also get a hat for that. How's that? Well, he enjoyed it, I think. We got another call or not? Okay, we're going to go line two. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah. That's correct. You're absolutely right. Right. Now, have you got one to stump these fellas with? No. You don't? They're too smart for me. Oh, come on. I can tell you they could be had. I'll start, Jeff. I'll help you. We got Howard Londerville here who made national headlines when President Bush came to town and the dog and the fire station and all that stuff. Now, would you be of the opinion that was the only time a luminary such as a president came to Williston? Or was there another president that may have visited the town of Williston? Well, he was a governor of the state, that's for sure. But I'm talking about in the mid-1800s, a president visited Williston. Were you aware of that, Howard? No, but... No, I'm serious. Another president came to the town of Williston. It could have been Taft. No, it wasn't Taft that I'm aware of. I'm talking way back now. I said to the mid-1800s, I'm talking probably early-1800s. Right? Way back. Wasn't Harold... Also, a general came to Williston. This is going back. I'm talking now in the... Well, 1817 was when the president came, so you can figure that out. Collar, would you know who was president in 1817? I guess he may have hung up. Okay, we're going to go line one. Hello, you're on the air. Come on, fellas. That was Frank Auling's place. Frank Auling had that place. Correct. No, no, hold on, sir. I have one. There's Auling Industries, right? Wasn't that out there? Right. I'd like to ask the caller, what specific product was Auling Industries most famous for producing? Cuphooks. Nope. What did it? Yes, hooks. That's... Come on, now, Harold. We've got to give that to you. How's it, Harold? I thought you may have heard of him. He's halfway there. It was a specific type of finished product. There's hooks. They used to put on cards of some sort. Not on cards. For now, but cuphooks? There are cuphooks. You're absolutely right. My friend, you get a bottle of banal. You get a fishing lure. And how about another hat? How's that? That's good. Make it look good in Williston. I'll tell you that. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Thanks for calling. All right. See, the phone calls are coming in. Have we got another one? I don't know. Here you go. I missed it. That was a farm there at one time. We'll just settle in on the time frame here, fellas. 1930s. Who was running the farm? Before the Johnson. No, before the... We'll think of that. Howard's thinking... I didn't think you might get the girl's name. Well, have you got them in mind, Howard? I don't mind that. Well, you got them. You got them, my friend. I did. Yeah? Who is it? You want me to tell him? Yes, sir. Email and... I did. How about the second half of it? Anything else? That was it. That was the whole thing. That was good for a hat, but... Who followed that couple as a... I ran the farm. I'd like to be one-upmanship here. I just know that because of that. All right, listen. You tell the folks at ETV that we're trying to do as good a job as they did with all that foundation money behind it. How's that? All right. Thanks a lot for calling. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay. We got another one. Yeah, we're going. Hi, you're on the air. The chump is right here. Hey, I heard you chump. Yes, go ahead. Williston. This sounds like a real good question. Here's a wise kid. Think about the way it sounds. Oh, it should be well-wined. We know that. All right. They'll watch from all over this county. You know, they'll start flipping the dial. And by the way, you folks that are going to start to tune into the news, forget about it. My seal is... You don't need them. Hey, we can tell you the troops landed safely in Somalia. That's all set for the news. Yeah. The weather? Cold, folks.  The eclipse has started. Full lunar eclipse this evening. And sports. And I know you're going to be upset, Howard. After all their trades, those red socks are still out. And you want to talk with Howard about sports? This gentleman went down to the fantasy camp last winter. Not me. No, no. Herb did. And hit 59. Well, in fact, I want you to divulge to the viewers here, Herb. How did you do down there? Went 4 for 11. 4 for 11. That's good hitting anybody's league.  Well, Bob Stanley, that's enough. Bigfoot, indeed. Just two years out of the Bigs himself. Right. And you were there standing against that mighty fastball, showing no fear at all. No. No wonder you came on this show. Big shell shock like that. You could put up with anything. Yeah, right. I'm going to line two. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah. What are you going to ask him? Good question. He'll tell you. Hold on. Well, Wilson used to... A lot of people don't know this. He used to be Burlington. And followed by the name of Willis. It's the one that founded Wilson. And somehow they swapped. I don't know how, why they did, but they did swap. They named Burlington and Wilson took Wilson. That's how it got its name. Howard, in a minute, you told them all of the more than they could get for that half hour thing on ETV. Absolutely. Yes, sir. What a lesson for those kids out there. I hope every school teacher in the state gets wind of this program and can use this as a teaching aid. It's gained a lot. Yes, sir. Hi, you're on the air. You hold on, sir. We'll tell you. Jack Bradish. What was it? Jack Bradish ran that one. Yep. Jack Bradish. Jack Bradish? No. The top kid. Never... Never knew one up there. Up on the hill. There was more than one post office running at the same time in the town? We'll ask him where it was. This was way back. Way back? Well, hey, we're not going to argue with you. If you say that that... Hey, the mail must go through. That's all I know. That's good for a hat, my friend. You got anything else to stump them? Because I got one for you. Well, we've got... Yeah, we've got one here. We need an answer to. We'll give it to you. We know that one. I know that one. Howard, go ahead. It was Blair. Now, what was it? It got burned in 1949. And he was stuck in the well. He was stabbed 17 times and then shot in the head. Man. Were you involved in any of the investigations? I was the first officer on the scene. You were there. Howard, you're the first everywhere. We're going to have to talk about the trainwreck. Who was the first one at the trainwreck that you found in Williston there? Boom. Howard was there. What was invited by the... It was there, too. My friend, I have a question for you. I know, but I want to know from this gentleman who was Torga Tockel. Torga Tockel. I'm talking back in the 1960s. And I want to know the people that followed this fellow used to meet for a specific reason. Will it help if I tell you where they met? Are you from Williston and that era? Yes. Well... Can I have the name Torga Tockel? Well, maybe one of our other listeners and viewers will be able to answer that one. That's an interesting question. How about... Will he know the historical question? I'll ask him. Who donated the land for the Chittenden Monument that's in the West Cemetery of Williston Village? That's a historical question going way back. Who donated the land? That would be a good answer for Wadooski. I would have said Villamere. Wadooski, you know. Pretty good, you're going to get it. In this town, you've got to say Chittenden what else can you say for a popular name? They're running on the bottom of the screen once in a while, they'll see them. Sir, we appreciate your call. Okay, thanks. All right. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Yes. Good to meet you. This is Barbara Dunley, and I lived in Wilson for a long time. Okay, Barbara. What I want to ask them, the post office is to be... To be a warrant. To be a warrant. To be a warrant. See? You've got to get up early to stop these guys, man. No. I'm going to ask where we placed our technical crew there. Don't be upset, folks. Hey, this isn't Slickville, but we do give you the information. I'm going to go to line one. Is that going to be all right? Hello, you're on the air. Okay, I got a question for you. Yes. Yes, sir, I know that one. You know that one? Yep. What was it? What was the name of the place? It was Hartz Barn. That's it. Now, hold on, sir. Okay. Got a question. Who is a fellow that ended up at Hartz Barn dances at Hartz Barn? And what was one of the very popular groups that played at Hartz Barn? I'll give you a clue. What? You won't have to go far to find the guy. He's right there. Can you magazine that? I can. Yes, sir. Where was that? Right, wrong. And Mr. Wright owned it. Mr. Wright owned it. Cross the railroad track on the north side of the railroad track north ocean. That's it. There you go. There you go. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Yeah. By the way, anybody know who the played out there at Hartz Barn dances? We want to hear barn dance stories. I bet you there are tons of them. The fights and the goings on. Hello, you're on the air. Hi, you're on the air. I thought you were. What? Oh, I missed it. I missed it up that time. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, I got a question. This fellow, you were one of them, too, weren't you? Yes, I was. Boy, this guy came from western Williston. I can tell that. You got it. Where was that store? Was that Romeo Hools? You got it. No, you got it. I've got a question for you, sir. OK. Way back now. This is an historical situation. It's true. Do you know who the only people were that could buy liquor in the town of Williston? Well, the answer is this is the truth. You could only buy liquor if you had a prescription from the doctor. Really? Yes, sir. I was not aware of that. See what you learned? No. You got a hat. So keep this under your hat. How's that? OK. Thanks for calling. Yeah. Yes, sir. Hi, you're on the air. What's up, school again? Buddy Brooks. OK. OK. Hobart Ivy. Hobart Ivy and Ward Johnson. J. Ward Johnson is a name I have for one of them. And Hobart Ivy. Hobart Ivy. Who's the other one? Howard. Hobart Ivy? No. There's another one? One more man. But we got two of three. Is there another bus driver? Yeah. The other one was when they built the new central school. And I based one. Who's the other one? Yeah. You got them. OK. You got them. You know what that means, my friend? I think you're going to get a hat and some banal. I'm telling you one thing. This will keep the cows warm at night. All right? Thank you. Ooh. I don't know if we got another one here. Hi, you're on the air. Here. Why is it called Shun Pike Road? I know this one. In fact, this was on an earlier edition of the show. Oh, it was? I believe so. Go ahead. South Burlington. Not for Williston. But go ahead. OK. Maybe my interview. I lived there, but I don't know. Well, the information I had was that in the old days, there was a toll. There was a toll road. This was a stage road, and it was a toll to go over. And people then started to divert their direction and evaded the toll booth. Oh, I see. Before they were shutting the toll. Is that correct? I know you know it. I lived there, and I didn't know it. Don't worry. They both know a heck of a lot more than I do. I just got lucky. And I didn't ask you to call with that one either. You know what you got, my friend? You got some lemon drops. Anyway, I got to be careful because they fall all over the place. OK. Thank you. Thanks for calling. All right. You know, we got more calls than our people in Williston from now on. That's great. That's great. And you guys were worried. You were worried to be truthful with you. Now, we've got some more questions we can throw out. Frankly, I was looking for the name of that band, the most popular band out there at the Square Dance. We haven't got a call yet, Moritz? Not yet. We will. Don't worry. We want to know who took the tickets, who paid the bands, who took care of the details out there at Hart's Barn. We'll question you more on the Barn situation. Hello. You're on the air. Oh, there's a little plug for somebody there. This is for you. Number one, I went 4-for-11 at the Fantasy Camp. That's pretty good. Who, there were other Vermonters there. Who from this area accompanied you down there? There was one from Essex, one from Jericho, two from Heinsberg. You even got a baseball card with your picture and statistics on the back there, too. Sure have. And what Red Sox players were involved with that? Well, there was so many of them I can't even begin. I've got pictures of them at home. I can tell you who they are. Well, speaking of pictures, the other part of his question, who started Sam's liquidation? Who's the owner? I don't know, but he wants a free plug. Who gave it to him? John. These are Taft fimes. It's where the Tafts fimes work. And John, he got a plug anyway. John and Bob, there was two of the two owners. Herb, why don't you bring the picture into the set here and ask questions about it. You lugged it in here. You go away without asking a question. And take a look at that, folks. Is that place familiar? Does this ring a familiar bell with anybody in the Williston area? Where is this picture taken? What is this particular location in Williston? Give us a ring here, 862-3966. Don't forget, we still have the Vermont teddy bear to give to the person who we judged to have the best question that you can stuff the chunks with. So let's carefully put that one back, and we'll go to line one. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, I would like to know if you could remember who was one of the neighbors at that time. Good question, ma'am. Hold on, because here's something. She wants to know one of the famous teachers at the school that went one to eight. Good, we want to hear about that. And I want to tell for the people who recently come into the state, we call them suntanners or whatever, a lot of these people have trouble remembering all the teachers because they've transferred schools so many times. But I will venture to say, ma'am, that people of your generation, I know of mine, if they stayed in one school, can remember every teacher they ever had. They leave such a strong embedded memory with you. Was that Virginia soldiers? No. Well, there's some other teachers in that system that may have influenced us. Yeah, but what year is she talking about? Give us a year, ma'am. I would... Okay, this, of course, was for your granddaughter, right? The only one that I can remember is Marion Higley. Oh, God, Howard, you're too smart. Way to go, Howard, you got her. She thought for sure you were going to start. And Mrs. Sullivan was another one I had, didn't she? She was Mrs. Dot Bing's wife. Mrs. Higley, by the way, was... Higley was, yep. Now she's told her age. That was a good try, man. Thank you. And call back if you've got another one for him, all right? I think I might. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. See, I don't want him to hear. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I have a question and an answer. Go ahead. Yes? That was the... Good try, though. AFC East is headed by Buffalo. Wrong. What the heck? You know, I'm sorry. Auditorium. Hey, I'm answering the phone like I'm at work. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I'd like to ask... Yeah, Warner Phelps. That's where Warner Phelps' house is. Yep. There. Anything else, my friend? No, that's it. All right. Thank you for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Don't let us down here. This is a southern and western part of Williston guy. This is a guy that got the beer from that store in the 50s. I can remember. Yeah, it's the same guy. At least he went to the library. Any idea? Where was the library? She lived in Richmond or Jonesville. Tell them any name that comes into mind. I will try it. Oh, I know who it is. I know you do. I know. This is Peacham. Right. He moved out. You got a half of me already, didn't you? No. You got one now. Thanks for calling. He moved out of the state. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, just giving the answer on the farm. Is that the Fontaine farm in Williston? No, it wasn't. Oh, good guess, my friend. Okay. Thanks for calling. Good night. Goodbye. Well, that's kind of guessing. They think they know, but you are sneaky on that herb. Hi, you're on the air. Yes. What do you think? His own. Yes. Is it? That's what I would guess. It is. We think a lot of same channels. It's channel 17, we're thinking. We got it. You know what we get for that? We got to get rid of it. This is a beautiful thing. Understanding urinary incontinence. There's a tape. I've not opened up for that yet. But that was a good answer, my friend. How about something that can stump either of these gentlemen? Any question at all? Six schools. Or with or more? Six or seven? Well, that's tough enough to name six schools and where they were in Williston. Can you do that, Phyllis? I can name some. Go ahead, Harry. One was in Norfolkson School. One was at Lampson School. One was at Stokebite Corner School. One was at the village. One at Oak Hill School. West Oak Hill. One at Muddy Brook. Muddy Brook. And one we would be talking about down there, Sucker Hollow. And these fellas probably got thrown out of all of them for crying out loud. How's that? That's pretty good, huh? Where's Sucker Hollow? That's a good question. That's off in Route 2A. That is 2A South. That's a lot of schools. There's one more school I forgot. There used to be one next to where I live on Old Stage Road. They were actually with the school that one time. How'd they do, my friend? Pretty good? Pretty good. All right. If it wasn't Lunderville, I don't know where it would be. He's everywhere, that guy. Were you there? Were you the first one there? No, I wasn't. I'll be telling you. There wasn't a fire department there. I asked the Johnson Fire Department, actually, but the first one Richmond came in to help. It probably wasn't. I wouldn't bet against it. I wasn't in the fire department. We didn't have a fire department there. Let me ask you, Collier, how does Howard do as the chief of the volunteer fire department at Williston? He had that honor of receiving the dog from President Bush. Would you happen to know who the other president was that visited Williston or who the famous general was? Those are historical questions. I better answer that one. People will be wondering. In 1817, James Monroe came to the town of Williston. And in 1825, General Lafayette made an appearance in Williston. In fact, there's a story in one of the old history books that, coming running out of the Eagle Hall, I guess it was a tavern, the Eagle Hall Tavern, the manager said, get out of here. He says, get out of the way here. Here comes the general. And the fellow said, sir, I am the general. He was right over. So where did Lafayette sleep? Some other town. Some inn there. What was an inn in Williston? There was one at Morrill's house, and there was one at the domain place right across from Tom and Tim's there. There was one there. How about that? Would it be one of those places, my friend? Well, we don't know. Well, that's a good guess. My friend, thank you very much for calling. All right. Hi, you're on the air. Hi, I'm the farm pitcher. Yes. It's Herbie Goodrich's farm. He used to be the heart-burned dance. Heart-burned dancers. Who used to perform at the heart-burned dances? Right over. He was a caller. He was a caller? What band? Did you hear that bit on the tape there when it said there was an open-air movie theater in Williston? Where was that exactly, fellas? Nobody's called in? Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Were you ever aware of that? Did you ever hear about that, caller? No, I did. An open-air theater just operated during the summer. You better tell them, Howard. I put down back where the Catholic church is now by Ellen Brooke. It was an open-air theater, and they used to perform there quite often. Not that I ever saw it, but way back. But way back, like in the 20s and the teens and the 20s. Yeah, the teens, yeah. That's really something. Before they had the drive-in movies with the cars, an open-air theater in Count Willis, there's something. My friend, thank you for calling. We appreciate it. Hey. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, I got a question for Herbie. Right. I'd like to know what type of blowtorch was used to cut his hair, and how much you paid for it. Well, he's referring to it. Did you see the before and the after? Wasn't that something yesterday? My goodness. It looked like my thing. They looked like it had to be sculptured. But my good friend, Walter Wood, that metropolitan hair took care of things. He's an excellent hairdresser, and I recommend him highly. Really? Did Howard have to sit on Herbie to hold him down? Well, you really know how to hurt a guy, don't you? Have you got a question that can stump these fellas? The Old Catholic Church. What was that before it was the church? Horse bar. A horse bar. How's that? Oh, they stumped me. Now, wait a minute. I also want to know, there are a lot of churches in Williston. And way back, there was a spiritualist movement. Now, do you know anything about that? Any of you, my caller or my panel? What about the spiritualists? Did they have conventions and seances and stuff? I know they did in the Burlington area, down in the Queen City Park area of town. Not to my knowledge. Well, there was a spiritualist society. Well, there may be, but there was. Way back. Nothing I heard of. Let's see. I have another question. In 1859, there was a very unusual clock that was built by a gentleman in Williston. I want to know who built that clock and what made it so unusual. Did you ever hear that story? No, never did. All right. Maybe somebody, I'll let that hang for a little while and then we'll give out the answer, because we want to beat ETV at their very game. They think they can give all the smart answer stuff to these, you know, sticky questions. No, sir. We've got information they've never even heard of. We thank you for calling, sir. Thank you. You know the voices now. Hi, you're on the air. Could you turn down the sound on your TV a little bit? There. Now, did you get his question, sir? Not all of it, no. Sounds like it's your father. It's a relative of yours, isn't it? Yeah. Give a name. Who was one of your neighbors? You had to round up the... There was only one neighbor in there and an old yellow cop there. Now, it's before Fonda. Before Fonda. What years are we talking? His wife's name was Leslie. Oh. The wife's name was Leslie, is that... Incorrect. See, what was his name? You know? I cannot think of his name. I just met him about three days ago again. I hadn't seen him for quite a while. What was the last name, sir? Benoic. Benoic. Okay. All right. You know what you got? Stump the chump hat. There you go. Thanks a lot. All right. Anybody who wins a prize here, our studio is located on the corner of Archibald and North Winooski Avenue, right? Above Noonies on the corner there. So come on in and pick up your hats. Wouldn't it be nice if you could have a parade of everybody that won a hat in Willis D. Next Fourth of July. Right with a... Probably stating I participated in Stump the Chumps. I don't know why, but you know. Hi, you're on the air. Well, thank you, man. Yes, boy. I would like to know. That's one of them. Wow. The bicentennial tug of war winner. You know what that sounds to me like? Somebody is vying for this little baby right here. That's a good question. I was on that team. Well, not such a good question. Go fair. Was Herb on that team? Yes, he was. Did you have a name on that team? And can you remember who participated with you? Well, there was Phyllis Gentis. Is that right, man? Yes. Roderick Boutin. Yes. Bob Stratton. I think Jack Mahan was on that team. He was the end man. Yeah, he was the end man. He was a good man for that. Were you a referee in that? No. In every event? I was doing a police work. Was he a pretty good man? Did he miss a couple or what? Yeah, he missed. Oh, I see. The prize was some alcoholic beverages? Absurd. Well, I'm asking him. What was the prize? Prize was if you got pulled across the line, you got the fire hose. Yeah. But what were the winning team's prizes? That went to Vylus Gentis. And I don't know what I ever did because of that. Maybe it's still in the bottle. It's probably still in the bottle. It's a good thing. You never could get them all together. I understand it too. That stuff makes banal glitzy and calm. I was drinking all the time in the bottle. Ma'am, are you having fun with us tonight? Sure, I do. Is she into them bottles? She does. Well, we appreciate your calling. And jugs of rum. Did she get one of them? Did you get one of them also, ma'am? Oh, my God. I'd say this is a good evening on the lunar eclipse night and live a little bit. I think her nose is speaking. After a couple of swallows and that stuff, you'll see the moon even though it's not there. Right. Wait. That's the second jug. All right. Thank you, Rambo. Thank you for calling me. All right. Well, for the first time, our lines are open, folks. I want you to try to stump Howard and Herb. It won't be that easy because they know their stuff. I'm still looking for them. I want to know the band. I've never seen the little ads in the free press of a band that was most often at hearts buying dances on Saturday night. He died just a few years ago. Yeah. And why did you tell a story, Howard? No, no, it was Herb. You got a call from the neighbors across the road when you decided that was it for the buying dances. No. What was it from? Carmelite nuns. Carmelite nuns. What'd they have to say? Well, they wanted to thank me for stopping the dances because there was too many of these young girls that had gone wrong down there.  Boy, oh boy. That was bad. Hi, you're on the O. I got the wrong one, but go ahead. You're on. Hello. Good role? Yeah. Was the band that played? That's not the one I'm thinking of. No. No? Boy. I think you're thinking a goody-good role. Goody-good role, yeah. No, he wouldn't be at these buying dances. No. Okay. Well, how about another one to stop the panel? Got a question for him? Did they ever solve the first one about where the... Nobody's answering. Nobody answered the answer. Go ahead with it. I think that was the old grocery store there. Not a grocery. These were public buildings, right? Yeah, right. How about that bridge there? You know any stories about that bridge? I just remembered that there was a grocery store. That was wood at the grocery store, wasn't it, Howard? No, that was the one that built it was Evelyn Parker and her husband. Yeah, okay. Ralph Seigels. Ralph Seigels and his wife. They built that and started it. Sir, do you remember the grocery store that we showed in the film? Herb indicates to me that there were six other owners of that particular grocery store. Can you name them? Yeah. Well, you think about it and give us a call back, all right? Then there was a shell station that was in there somewhere. Yeah, that's right. Philadelphia. Who owned that one? I came from Massachusetts. He moved up to Vermont here. And then at that transmission took it over. I think he's out of there now. I don't know who's in there now. There isn't any there now. Sir, I don't know if anybody really answered that. Alling Industries. What did they make? What was their product? Well, they made screws. Little screws. All kinds of screws. Right, but one particular type for one particular reason. One purpose. I remember this thing. They made it. Oh. Still in almost every house in the United States probably. Still. Pardon? For picture frames. Well, that might be, but that's not the item I'm thinking of. They're not. Okay, well, over. They made coasters too, I think, yeah? Yeah. All right, sir. Well, thank you for calling. We appreciate it. Hi. You're on the air. Did you get the answer? No, sir. We did not. Ski racer and ski jumper. From? Here's from Norway. He was the Norwegian skiing gold medalist. That's right. And where did his followers meet on a weekly basis? Do you know? This is from 1962 until 1970. I go watch them jump on them. Isn't that something? A gold medalist right there in Williston. See? Channel 33, you never do that. And my understanding is that he met with his followers on the Tuddhills property on a weekly basis, and that evolved into the Bill Koch Youth Ski Program. Yeah, there was a Toro Dakle ski program. Okay. I got another question for you. I don't know how you'll be able to answer this. This goes back a long time. This gentleman was the first one to use a specific process in wire, in the wire industry. And it was called cast and placed construction. He was the only one to use this. He was the first one in North and Central America. He was from Williston. And this process was used to build two specific sites. One in the United States and one in Central America. I mean, this is something to claim to fame, fellas, for Williston. Would you know who the gentleman was and what bridge? Well, not a bad guess. It was actually used in cable cars in San Francisco. And it was used in building of the Panama Canal. And the gentleman's name was Henry Root. So you people in Williston have a lot to be proud of. This is a gentleman of great influence and was the first to do this. There. All right, sir, thank you very much for calling. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Hi, you're on the air. I'd like to submit an answer to the barn dance question. Yes, ma'am. It's at Donfields in this point, boys. Absolutely, right. You get banaled. You get lemon drops. You get a coaster. And you're in line for the teddy bear for all I know. I don't know. You can stump these guys. Go ahead. Shoot out on there. Oh, boy. For me. Well, no, no. Well, let me ask you. Did you, in fact, ever attend the barn dances? No. Really? Yes, I always wanted to do it. I just never got there. I'll be darned. I understand a lot of stories came out of those barn dances. A lot of stories. You really heard all that. You know, that place, the Carmelite Nuns place there. That was the monastery, whatever. That was surrounded by a big stone wall.  It's out travel. We'll leave that one alone, ma'am. Thank you very much for calling it. We appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Hi, you're on the air. No one's on this line. Oh, no one is there. Well, we're off at that. Okay, some more questions. Here's a good question. Go ahead. How many airplane crashes were there in Williston, and how many people died in those crashes? Excellent question. The airplane crashes in Williston, and how many people died? And who was the first person on the scene? Don't even try it. It was Howard. He was there again. Every accident, every occasion Howard is there. Have you ever beaten them to the scene of any particular? Never. Never. I wouldn't say. All right. Do I have one on line two? I'm going to try. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. Who bought it? Who built it? Who built them, man? Yeah. Who built the houses? Dick Critchell's built them. Buttle Bryant. No, not on the Acres. We're going to go with Twichels. We need Acres. Twichels. Twichels. No. Oh, darn it. We lost. How could we not get... And on 90 Acres? Oh, 90, yeah. Who was it? Howard, you... I said Dick Critchell. He built quite a few over in there. No, we don't know. It was Frank Mercier. That's related to Dick Critchell, yeah? Howard, you're closer to it. Throw her out of hat. She certainly won it. Fair and square. Yeah. You did a good job, man. Thank you very much. All right. You did a good job. Thank you. You know, I'm waiting for the fellow. He calls us every month. He's a fellow in Essex. Well, we're waiting for him. He hasn't called yet? No, he hasn't. I know the voice. I would know. He's a prize winner of... Maybe he's on now. It could be. You never know. You never know of this fellow. Hi, you're on the air. Hello? Hello. Yes? Who picked up the man from the train and what north will listen and brought him to the village? Handsome guy on the end. Handsome man over there, Howard. The single man. I know one person that used to. I don't think he's the one. Ethan Porter used to do it. Ethan Porter. Whoa. He... He's not very smart, is he? No. He's smarter than me. I'll tell you that. So I'm going to leave that alone. Okay, throw out another name, Howard. It could be Clem Austin. Clem on. Wrong again. Wrong again. One more chance. Was that... That was a long time ago, I assume. What? Give us a year, man. 1940. 1940. Right at the beginning of the war. No, the only... The other one is it would be possibly Guy Lampson. Guy Lampson. No, sir. Hold for three. We struck out... Would it have been Bob Albert? Could be Bob Albert. Nope. Give it... We give up, man. Who was it? Tim O'Brien. Tim O'Brien. You agree with her? No. I never knew they did, but she said to this, they're going to be all right. She gets a hat, Howard. Can't argue with her. Don't forget. The best question tonight gets to Vermont. Teddy Bear. That was a good question. Thank you very much, man. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, for Howard. Okay. The answer is simply in crashes. Yes. One over here was now Moore's lumber. Yeah. One down on the corner. That's two of them. There's two of them. Okay, yeah. You'll know this when I know you do. Who's landed that one crash on. I bet you're Robert. That's you're correct. He usually is. Yeah, okay. Where's the rest of them? Where's the rest of them? Hold on, we want to know some more. Oh, there's other two, I. We got two. How many is a total number? Yeah, there were four. There were four. Now, where'd the other two come? Were they numbers one and four? Or where'd they come in the order that he didn't get? That would be the last two I think. That would be number two he hasn't yet. He hasn't had the number, the last one he hasn't. Number four he hasn't. Okay, so we were looking for the second one and the fourth one. And we'll give us a number, my friend. How many do you think were killed in those crashes? Are you right, Howard? No. But good guess, my friend. Okay, thank you. Thank you for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. That's the one by Moore. That's one of them. That's one of them? That's one of them. But that's not, that's one that he already named. Oh, they already named that one. We're looking for the second one and the fourth one. Nope, don't. Can't help you out there. Well, thanks for calling. Yeah, bye. Bye. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Unloaded the... They read mail from the depot in North Wollaston. Oh, you're right. You're quite right. Absolutely right, man. Cup hooks. That's right. Everybody's strong. That's right, that's right. All right. I used to finish this round. Good question, man. Okay. Good one. Thanks for calling. Throw her a hat. I like that question. What would have none of his beds made out of? They're not strong, right? Boy, I got to keep that one in mind for the... I used to take the straw to them. You used to bring the straw to them? No. Howard had to be involved somewhere. He's always involved in every story that happens. You couldn't get in there. No. They had a fire up there. You were there then.  You're everywhere. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, on the plane crashes. There's one by Moore Slumber's Commerce Street. There's a helicopter. Helicopter. And that didn't crash. They just landed. I want to know... My friend, you are in line for a top prize here. I want to know how many were killed in all the crashes combined. All the crashes? Four. Absolutely right. Absolutely right. You get banal. I'll reach the banal. Howard, you have to throw on my hat. Okay. This stuff, my friend, if they use this instead of the oil in those helicopters, they'd never go down. Helicopters would be faster than a spaceship. This stuff is all-purpose lotion. Use it for whatever ails you. Give it to Kirby. Give it to Kirby. All right. Thank you very much for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Hello. This is my mother from Burlington that's asking about the slaughterhouse in Williston. Which one? Well, see, there's more than one. Name...let's see if you can name the owners of the slaughterhouses in Williston. Who are they? Solomon. That's the guy from Richmond that owned that one. Solomon. And who else? Sennis. Sennis. All right. So that answers the question. All right? Okay. Thanks. Hi, you're on the air. I'd like to know if they can tell me when the wooden bridge, the wooden covered bridge, went out in North Williston and when the metal bridge was built? They'll tell you. I think it was 1927 or 1927 with a flood. Well, the wooden one went out. 1927, man, that sound right? No, it's incorrect. 1923, the wooden bridge went out. Yeah. The metal bridge was built in 1925. See? It did go through the flood. See the things we learn here? Now, ma'am, I have one for you. Uh-oh. This is just a simple true or false. The North Williston bridge was built because the covered bridge was washed out in the flood of 27. That's incorrect. You're right. And what caused that bridge to go down? It was a stump. Appropriately from stump to chumps, a stump caused a jam of the ice and everything. Ice jam, though, right? That's true. Yeah. It was in 1922. All right? And it washed downstream and it became part of whose barn? You know that? No, I don't. Anybody? You tell us now what barn that washed down to. The Redmond. Oh, yeah. The Redmond barn, I guess. Isn't that something? 1922. Ma'am, that's a great question, though. We appreciate your calling. How about a hat for her? We're going to have a parade of people, a Fourth of July. Everybody that won a hat here, we're going to wear them proudly. Thanks for calling, ma'am. Hi. You're on the air. Hi. In 1942. Well, aircraft, you're talking in Burlington now, but go ahead. Tell us. There's a helicopter. There's one thing. They were related to the war effort of building airplanes, helicopters. No, they did that in Buffalo. Well, darn it, I don't know. What did they do specifically here at Bel Air? Gun carts. Oh, you're right. I should have known that. Gun carts. You're right. I didn't live in Burlington, so I didn't know. And they probably had to bring them out to Williston to guide them. How are you going to do that? I'm going to probably, that's what I do with the shipment of all the flights over there to Williston. Thank you for calling, your friend. Thank you. All right. I don't know if we've got one here. Nope, not this time. fellas, how about some more questions? Here's one. Where are the three blacksmith shops in the town of Williston? There was three of them. Three blacksmith shops, folks. If somebody can get that, I think they might get the teddy bear if they don't wear them. Is that a hard one, would you say, or pretty hard? Well, I would say probably it was pretty hard. You've got a difficult one to throw out there? Yeah, well, you know where Friendly's is? Yes. What used to be there? What used to be where Friendly's is? Let's see. Did we tell them who drove the most people to and from Williston Central School? We answered that one? Yeah. That was J. Ward Johnson. We got the skier. A very simple one, folks. Where is Depot Hill and why did it get the name Depot Hill? And thinking of names, we got Stove Pipe, right? Stove Pipe was mentioned. Why that name Stove Pipe ever come up? These fellas were unaware of that a little bit some of the history of all that. But we want to know what Stove Pipe corners and what that was named for, all right? Any other questions you might have, folks? Come on, join us here. We still have a few minutes. We still haven't got the name of the owners of Tom and Kim's store. That's right. You said there were six owners of that store. Six owners. Come on, folks. Yeah, we got some more. The teddy bear is sitting there. We got some more hats. Oh yeah, we got plenty of hats. We got some more good stuff there, too. Boy, you'd be hard. They don't get prizes like this. Now I get it. That's right. We haven't got the one who was murdered and got hung either. That's right. We've got to know that. Oh, yeah. A lot of questions out there, folks. We want to be able to tell the school children this is a program where you'll learn your history. And the two creameries. Two creameries. It was in Walliston. There we go. We got one. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. I want to ask Kirby who drove the bus to deliver the kids at the old Red School house down here? Just up from a Brian's store. That had to be a private car, and I'm not sure who drove that. It was an old panel truck. Panel truck? Yeah. That's older than I am. Yeah. We don't know. You stumped us, man. I think it was Mr. Gover. Could be that. Could be Gover. Throw her a hat. OK. Wear it proudly, man. Don't get it dirty. Keep it clean. That hat needs to be kept clean. OK, boy. Thanks for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Yes. Back in 1949, her was in a show. What was the name of the show? It was a minstrel show. You're right. It was a couple of people over there. Ray Fontaine? Uh-huh. Your father was there. My father was in it. Mm-hmm. I was in it. You were in it. Did it have a title to the show? No, it was a minstrel show that we wanted to know. Where was it held? It was in the Grange Hall, which now is a town hall. They're right. Was Howard taking tickets? He used them everywhere. I was there. I was too young to remember. And we played one night over at St. Michael's College. Yes, we did. I was in it, too. There was a La France. It was in it. Uh-huh. Harvey Lamere? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Posey. Right. Was the head one of it, I think. Yeah. Started it. Yep. Ma'am, how about those hearts-bind dances? Were you ever there? I sure was. I want to hear some stories. You wouldn't want to hear them. Well, this is a family show, ma'am. It's a lot of fun. Family show. You're right. But there was never any fighting going on. Not allowed, right? No fighting, no drinking. No drinking. No drinking. No drinking. We took the ticket. Yeah. He did. He paid off the bans. He did everything. He had charges of police and everything. He had charges of everything. Right, he was. Who took care of the concession stand? Oh, God. That's a good question. That's a good one. You better tell her. Katie Hart. Yep. Okay. All right. Thanks for calling, ma'am. All right. She got a hat? She's all right. There. Keep it clean. Uh-oh. I said I would never do it. And I press conference. Unpress it. Unpress it. How do you unpress it and go there? Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I think Herbst was asked about what used to be where Friendly is at. Wasn't there a creamy stand there? No. Where was the creamy stand? Down by her morses. Oh, yeah. That's right to her. Who owned it? Probably Herb. Tatrol. Okay. Tatrol's creamy stand. Yeah, Mr. Tatrol. All right. Yeah. Well, you guys are sharp. Okay. You're a long night if I weren't here. Just alone, man. Hi, you're on the air. No. We'll go to one. Hi, you're on the air. Hi, you're on the air. Oops. We're on. I'm sorry. You'll have to call back. Inefficient as I am. I'll wheel will never let me hear the end of it. He doesn't let me get near the phone. He says I mess it up all the time. He's right. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. Who drove the bus to North Wilson School? I think it was down View Road. That's 12. Down View Road, it was a driver. What year are we talking? 45. Oh, by me. Yeah. I'd have to be home. Oh, by me. No, no. Gladys Larrell. Yeah. Gladys Larrell, see? Now, these guys would be good at any quiz show on NBC or ABC. You know that? Right. Now, I want you to tell all your friends that you saw a terrific show on Channel 17. And we need their support and keep listening. The heck with the news, you know? The heck with the sports, the Red Sox are lousy, the Yankees are lousy, and it's cold out there. That's all you have to know about the weather and news. Thanks for calling me, Fred. Hi, you're on the air.  Oh, I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare. I worked with you at Hudson. There was Gene Hansen and Preston Charlam. What about Jim O'Brien? Jim O'Brien didn't work. Not Jim. Oh, Jim O'Brien worked. Jim O'Brien. A short time he did, yes. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah, and Howard's father. Yeah.  Thank you. Thank you for calling me. It's only because the questioners, and they're good out there. Yeah. I want you to know some voices. Oh, I recognize your question. Over the next few days, you'll be hearing from them too, you know? And they'll be, and take note, if we never do another show here, we'll have a new set of questions because they'll have a lot that they can stump you with. And they'll say, ah, we didn't want to call up and all that stuff. But we'll go to the line. Hi, you're on the air. Oh. Yes. How you doing? Multibetting. You got two good members there. Oh, they know their stuff. They're sharp. Yeah, they're a two good Lions member. Yes, sir. Lions club member. That's right. Two guys came down in a plane. Cornfield. What was the year? Oh, God. Now this is. Now was this planned? 20, 20, 25 years, 20 years ago. Now, are we talking this was an accident or did they do this on purpose or what? Oh, no. They just, the thing caught on fire. And they, rather than land them to the airport, they weren't ready. You must have been the first one on the scene. The only one that I know of. It had to be by Moors. By Moors? By Moors. And there were two National Guard people. Yeah, right. Okay. We got it. Who was the two guys? I don't, I can't recall the names, but I know there were two National Guard people. Right. And the reason they did what they did, if they didn't, they landed in Lamplight Acres. Oh, I see. And they didn't want to go into a development. So they hit the open field. That's right. Oh, good. That was an F-89 Scorpion. Yeah. I think that's what it was. You're pretty good, aren't you? I'm talking to her. Yeah. Your name was? Go ahead. Who was it? Followed by my name, Aldrich. This is the only show in the world where those names are brought up and reminisced about to do with Williston, though. Thank you very much for calling. Can I put a plug in where it sounds some Christmas grease on that tap corner? I think Herb knows who he's talking to. Right away, my friend. Right away. Thank you. Yes, sir. The trees are available over there. Tap's corner for the lion's blood, right? Right. Pretty diet. Beautiful. Thank you. Thanks. Give my hat, too. Put that on top of the tree. Thank you, Mr. Londonville. Okay. Hi. You're on the air. Hello. Hello. Yes. Boy, there's an interesting one, my friend. There's a good one. The post office during the Civil War, and it was used to find out what information, sir, about the soldiers. Dear gentlemen, that's a real good question, my friend. What's the answer? Where was that post office? 864. No, I don't know. Where was it located? We don't know. I know where it was. But I never knew there was one there. I didn't know that, man. You know what? What do you think about that question, fellas? I think it's worth a bear. Yeah. There it is, my friend. That question warrants you the Vermont teddy bear. How's that? It's waning up here at Channel 17 with your name on it. The best question of the night. Hey, Braddish. Yep, Bradish. You got it, my friend. Mr. Bradish, with a Williston name like that, you're a sure winner. Thank you for participating with us. Yes, sir. Mr. Bradish was a winner tonight. They're clapping in there. All right. Hi, you're on the air. All right. I just wanted to... What were the names? It was Colonel Goyak. Goyak was one of them. We appreciate the information. Okay. Thank you. All right. We got to go off in 10 seconds. My thanks to my guests, both Herb Goodrich and Howard Lunderville, for their participation. And thank you, folks, for watching. And we'll see you next month for the next edition of Stump the Chumps.


Hi, everyone, and welcome to this talk. My name is Cécile Robin, and I am a research associate working in annual go-away. Today, I would like to introduce you to my world, the world of natural language processing. It's a domain where artificial intelligence and computer science meet language. Funny mix, isn't it? So in this domain, we program computers to understand, to write, to speak, to analyze human language, natural language, as opposed to programming language, computer language. Now I will tell you a story about how companies listen to their customers. How people like me, using specific natural language processing techniques, help companies take your comments into consideration. So let me introduce you to the story. Try to imagine that it is March 2023, and we are in the office of ITech, a popular Irish tech company. So today, their team is busy finalizing the details before their big event next week. The release of their new messaging app, Messagram 1.0. So let's explore this in more detail. Welcome to the ITech office. Look at this team, so busy. They're a bit stressed as you can imagine as well, but they're very excited because they're working on the little, small, final details before the big release next week. And now we're one week later, and Messagram 1.0 is now officially launched. What next? Once the app is released, what do you think will happen? Yeah, that's right. A huge wave of comments and suggestions are going to come out from people. No time to rest. The Messagram team need to know if the app is doing good. So what do they do? They monitor user feedback. But what do they hope to find in the user feedback? They hope to identify issues and bugs, any major problems. They hope to monitor satisfaction. Are people happy with the app? Any features they like or they dislike? And they want to monitor success. Is the app successful? Is it widely used? Are they doing better than their competitors basically? So now they know what they are looking for. But where can they get it from now? Yes, from you, and your friends, and your neighbors, and anyone potentially using it. I don't know about you, but personally, when I have anything good or bad to say about something, my first go-to places are either Facebook or Twitter. And I don't hesitate to tag the company and see if they react when there's a real problem. So it's the place where people are the most direct and honest. And it's a very precious feedback to get. But apart from social media, you have also reviews from app stores. You have reviews from YouTubers, from bloggers. You have articles from newspapers, tech news, or more generic newspapers. And these ones are a bit more structured reviews. So you see many, many different places to search. And all these people are very vocal. It's constantly changing. New comments arrive all the time, every single day. How could possibly a human go through all of this? That'd be crazy. So what do you think the Messagram team will do? Yes, they will use automatic methods. They will use natural language processing, or NLP for those in the know. Natural language processing, or how to get the computers to do the work for you. So let's go back to our mess. First thing first, the Messagram team has identified where to look for the comments. They collected all the different website links. But now they need to collect the text itself. Every single thing that is of interest of ITEC. So they use a program that will crawl the data from the websites. In other words, it's going to collect the text from the websites and gather it in a format that can be used for the next steps. And once they have that, they clean that up. They cleared all the things they don't want. They filter images, weird characters, emojis, memes, comments or reviews that are not about Messagram or ITEC. And this way, they get the data ready for the computer analysis. And that is what they will obtain after all this preprocessing, a data set, all prepared and ready for the next steps. But what are the next steps? Well, the team is going to dig into this data to further analyze the user feedback about the app. By hand, no, no, no, automatically. So here's one of these processing steps. It's called a word cloud. And you may have guessed as its name indicates, it makes a cloud with words, words from your data set, the data set we were just talking about before. So this nice process allows ITEC to get a broader view of what the customers are talking about when they refer to Messagram. And it highlights what words are dominating the data set. But now single words are quite limited if you want to get deeper and understand what people are really talking about. What if you want to extract specific terms, like people talking about the specific feature called your friend's group call feature, as opposed to any feature? So by using NLP techniques, this can be done automatically by a process that we call term extraction. But the big desire of the Messagram team is not only to know what people are talking about, but how they are talking about it. So that's where the magic of NLP happens again, sentiment analysis. Because knowing what people talk about is great, but knowing whether they are talking about it in a positive or negative way, that's what is really helpful to ITEC. And sometimes it's clearly positive, and sometimes it's clearly negative. It's clearly negative, but sometimes it's also quite nuanced. So then it is the algorithm in the computer, which is a set of instructions that are executing a task, that has to decide which side to lean towards, whether globally if the positive takes over the negative, or vice versa. And this is done at the level of the whole comment. And now even more specific. Imagine you take the term extraction phase that we mentioned earlier, and the sentiment analysis step. You mix them together, and you obtain aspect-based sentiment analysis. This allows to attach a sentiment to a specific term. So it's much more precise, you know exactly what people are happy or not about. Plus you lose less information as you can keep both the positive and the negative aspects, even if they appear together in the same comment. So this is a type of process that will make it much easier to the ITEC team to make a detailed analysis and summary of the good and the bad. So now let's go back to the office and check this all out. It's time to analyze the results given by the algorithms. And this is where the human has a key role now, to interpret the results and to make decisions accordingly. And here it's a pretty pro team, as you can see, because most of the comments were actually pretty positive. People liked the feature, the design, it's a really good feedback. But nothing can ever be perfect, you all know. So the Messagram team has also to deal with the less happy reviews. And in the end, these ones are the most important ones, because they are the ones that they will use to make decisions to improve the app, either on the short term or the longer term. So for example, thanks to the analysis, they can fix direct problems and bugs. And these ones are the urgent ones to tackle. But also they've identified less urgent problems that can be improved in future versions of the app. And sometimes there are just things you can't do anything about. So don't tell anyone, let's call it a feature, not a bug. So that's it, the Messagram team is finally finished. Well done to all of them, and now they can relax for a little bit until their next report. Thank you very much for your attention, and I'm very happy to take any comments, reviews, feedback, suggestions, or simply questions.


Hello. Good evening, friends. I must firstly compliment an excellent seminar that is taking place. Wonderful sessions. Am I audible now? Yeah, is that fine? Great, great. So friends, I'm going to share with you a small presentation. I'm an architect, so I'm going to voice an architect's thoughts towards the urban planning. And there are certain thoughts that you will definitely agree with me that which leaves us with questions. And these are very important questions that we must address. And I'm very happy to see stalwarts who are responsible for our city, our country's future in terms of the future development. So the topic is sustainability in urban design. So basically, when we talk about architecture, simply to describe this in three words, we call it as a space, people, and happiness. So it's all about the space that we plan. It's for the people, most important. Every built environment has to be people-centric. It has to produce the happiness. What is the current scenario? All of us, we know. The 2 third of the world population will live in cities. You can see the graph, how it's going to go up in 2003, 30, and 2050. You can see our country in the global scenario. You know, the chart here clearly explains that's our country where I've made a circle. You can see all the oranges and all the yellows which clearly says that we'll have a large-sized cities, mega cities, we'll have a medium cities, we'll also have a small cities. So all of us, we know that's also our government agenda that there will be a lot of rapid urbanization that is going to take place. So India has been urbanizing rapidly in recent decades, estimated that the urban population will reach almost 590 million by 2030. It's almost double than what we have it today in 2017. This is a need. This is an interesting chart which tells us that today from nine, we'll have 13 mega cities. And out of those 13 mega cities, six cities will have a population which will be more than 10 million people. Second line says that 33 to 55 will have 55 cities which will be in the tier two, which will have a population of one to four million. Just to give you a comparison with United States, which is one of the biggest country, has currently nine cities in that particular category. So this is just to explain you the magnitude in which we are going to grow in terms of our build environment. What are the concerns? The biggest concern that we have today is pollution. And that pollution which is largely creating through various different aspects, one of the most important aspect is the cars. You know, you'll see today everywhere there is a parking lots. Like an Indian architect, whenever I talk with my international friends, the parking ratio here is absolutely enormous. So if you'll see that is creating a lot of fuel emission, that is also creating a lot of traffic congestion, no matter it is Delhi, it is Mumbai, or it is Bangalore, or any mega-policy. What is it that is trying to tell us for these cities growth? When we talk about this, we can see that these cities are going to grow by 2030. There'll be more than three times, four times. You will see the electricity scenario, 1.4 billion people, no access to electricity. India accounts almost 300 million people. Water is another issue where only 74% of the urban households have a pipe water. That is also not for 24 hours, it is only for four to five hours a day. The infrastructure will have a huge amount of investment that is going to take place in near future. And India currently is number three in terms of creating the population after China and USA. So these are the numbers which definitely all of you know, but the magnitude is really, really very scary. So what does it means that all of us, we have a responsibility when we do a new projects. How do we concentrate on programming? See this is one interesting thing which I want to tell you today in Mumbai. Everybody has minimum one car and a middle income people have two cars and the luxury people have more than four to eight cars. Each car takes 400 square foot for a car parking. And as per the rule, what are we doing for every thousand square foot of a house? We are building another thousand square foot of a parking. So for every one million square foot, we are building another 0.8 million square foot of a parking. And these parkings are in the basements, podiums, huge, huge amount of concrete, huge amount of a structure. Today, people are finding it good, but after 10, 15 years, all of these basements, all of these podiums are going to become one of the biggest worry for all of us because they require force ventilation, they require various kinds of mechanical devices. So is it the right direction in which we are going? Fortunately, in 2034 DC regulations, the parking has come down to half. Today, people are not selling the car because car does not give them a better value and people start parking the car on the road because they do not have parking facility in their societies. That is creating a congestion for the road. It's one of the biggest issue. What is an inspiration? You know the inspiration, this is a shard. This is a building in London, Canary Wharf where this building is 1.2 million square foot of a office premises where everyday 10,000 people come. Do you know how much car parking this building has? You will be surprised to know this building has only 48 car parking. Only 48 car parking for 1.2 million square foot of a office premises where everyday 10,000 people come and go. A similar building, if I have to design here, we have to provide not less than 3,000 car parking. So that 3,000 car parking into 400 square foot, which is another 1.2 million square foot, so much of a investment, so much of a maintenance for the people who are there, how could they do it and why can't we do it? You'll see another example of a Hong Kong where 90% of the people, they commute to their office through a public transport.  We are not realizing what problems we are creating for our future. This city has 90% of the people who go with the public transport. Every building is looking so beautiful because there is no that huge giant parking lot below. You'll see all the architecture here is surrounded with first a eight to 10 level of a parking lot and then the building springs up. So when are we going to think about this? It's us who have to decide as to how do we cut down on this absolutely unwanted concrete and embodied energies and everything. You know, it's a quest for the developers. There are a lot of stalwart developers who are here and it is quite doable. You'll see another example of Singapore. You know, Singapore faced this problem 15 years back. What we are facing today, they faced it 15 years back. So they made a rule. There cannot be more car parking than one is to 10 families. There will be a public car parking where there is a diversity factor. In fact, they don't allow you to buy a car unless you have a legal car parking slot. So people cannot buy a car there unless they show to the registration department that I have a legal proper car parking slot. And these are the people who started using car pulling almost 10 years back. Today you'll see in all of our offices, people come alone in the car, they go alone in the car. Why can't we do car pulling? Why can't we use public transportations? Which is now available. This is where we need to look into. You know, this is one of the very, very major issue. I feel small is beautiful, less is more. And this is something that we are doing more is definitely going to hit us very badly. So optimization in the construction is one of the aspect I spoke about the parking. Another issue that all of our greenery is going away. All the trees are getting cut. We want urbanization, the land parcels are going to become small. It's quite obvious that those trees will have to be transplanted and things like that. Again, in Singapore, there is an interesting rule. If your plot is of one lakh square foot and you are going to build a building on that plot, you have to do a one lakh square foot of a garden. Because you are taking away that one lakh square foot of the garden from the city. So they count the garden which is also on the vertical surfaces. Also on the horizontal surfaces of the terraces. So at the end of the day, please understand the opportunity of creating a garden is not only on the floor. You can have a vertical vegetation. You can have a roof tops. You can have a terraces. It's a myth that these kind of things are tedious to maintain. They will create a waterproofing problem, no. This science has reached a stage where we can have a beautiful bio filtering techniques. You can have a beautiful vertical vegetation. People love plants. People do it. And this is where it has to come from everyone. From an architect, from a developer, from civil engineers, from an end consumer point of view. This is happening in our neighboring countries where the similar kind of a tropical environment is there. So this is something where also I think we should play a little innovative. Increase our green footprint. It can do all the things. Water. Now I was there for one conference and one of my Singapore friend, architect, said that we waste only 2% water. I said, how is that possible? 98% water, what happens? So to tell all of you, in Singapore, it is legal to recycle the grey water. And that grey water which is recycled, people use it for bathing and people use it for drinking. Whenever you go to Singapore and you pick up a bottle of neo water on the airport, it's a grey water, recycled water. But it goes through such a wonderful process that it is perfectly safe, perfectly hygienic for the purpose of the wholesome water requirement that we have. So there, again, they are 10 years ahead of us where all the water is properly recycled. And there are a lot of people who are also doing it here and I'm very happy and proud to see that the good corporate organizations are water positive today. They are not only consuming less water, but they are giving the recycled water to the neighboring communities. That's something which is quite innovative. So that's about the water. All ways of transportation. I mean, we have to build this attitude in our next generation. And I'm happy it's already getting built. A lot of people today on a weekend do not take out their car. They go with Uber, they go with Ola. They go with this other transport mediums, which is definitely good because there is a diversity factor there. So encourage the use of public transport. So can our buildings instead of being consumers energy transform into a producers of the energy? Can buildings instead of depleting the green and add to the green footprint? I'll share some examples with you where the large high density, high rise buildings, they are not consuming, they are generating. You know, so solutions. You can see that there are smart cities which are required. There's a intelligent transport system that is required. Renewable energy is one of the very strong tool where we can do a lot of things and save our energy. Sustainable water solutions and of course, waste management. Because waste is also one of the very, very scaring aspect that we are going to deal with. I really feel there is a good case study. We have it in Mumbai, which is a Hiran and then Park. It's one of the great township where everything is compact. It's a mixed use development. Everything is pedestrianized. So if you'll see the happiness quotient of the people who are occupying there, they're very happy. Because once they go back to their home, there's really a good lifestyle which is pedestrianized lifestyle. They don't have to take out their vehicle to go for their basic needs. Everything is almost on the walkable distance. And there are many other. I just took one of the examples. There are many other such sustainable townships are coming. But we need to ensure that the compact, mixed use development, a transit-oriented destination is the future for us. These are various mediums of the transportation we already have. We must encourage that we use them so that we minimize our fuel emission. Carpooling is one of the best idea. The battery-operated electrical cars is a good idea. Bicycling. You know, bicycling is catching up very well in all the countries. We should also ensure that whenever there is a lesser distance, we should use the bicycle and the pedestrianization. So today you'll see the 45% of the people, they go by car. To any place they want to go, we need to aim to reduce it to 10%, whereby people should use the other medium of committing. Common factor, the diversity factor, it will definitely help us. These are the various opportunities for the renewable energy, solar, wind, biomass, hydrogen, geothermal, ocean. Again, this science is developing very rapidly in our country. We must make a good use of it. This is the one building which I love it. This is a building next to a Pearl River. It is designed by a famous architectural firm called SOM. This is a tall building. It's a 385-meter tall building. And here you can see how an architect and engineer they can come together and create a marvel. What is available for such tall building? A wind. Wind is freely available for such tall building. So they have very nicely developed a form of the building which is such that the wind which comes and hits the building goes with the aerodynamic shape of the facade, goes to its mechanical floor where they have the wind turbines. So all that wind which hits the building facade automatically goes to the service floors which are at the intermediate levels. And there you have a nice wind turbines and it generates the energy. And that energy has been used for the building's common areas. So nice use of the constraints converting into an opportunity. It's an award-winning building when they actually produce these papers. Before this building started, many people thought it will be only chaotic. How can it work? But it's working. It's working very well there for last almost six, seven years. And they are generating a lot of power through the wind, through the architectural justice. This also shows the solar radiation form as to how cool areas they could create in the whole building. One of the best example, that's the building which is standing tall there next to Pearl River. This is in Gonzao. Mazdar city is another beautiful example which is in Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi is not known for any habitable development. It's got a very extreme summer. The temperature goes up to 50 degree. But again here the constraints have been developed into opportunity. And they have come up with the first phase which is six square kilometer where almost two to three million square foot of a work is completed and people are occupying those places. It's completely on a solar farms. They have used best way of the solar farms. The building shapes are such. It's a compact city. The whole roof comes out in such a way that it gives a shedding to the whole building. It allows to have the vegetation within the intermediate floors and it generates the energy for the entire building. This is a net zero building having a six million square foot of a area. 60 lakh square foot of area will not depend on any power to come from the grid. It'll be all self-generated power. And you can see there in the right hand side diagram all the red that shows that's ambient temperature in Abu Dhabi and all the blue that will be the temperature in the building. So how you can create a beautiful architecture? How you can create a beautiful people centric environment through a simple techniques and these techniques are very, very easily available. They are robust, they are tested, they are working fine. So these are the things. Again a beautiful idea where there is a these are the towers which has a mist jets because there's a lot of hot, dry weather. So the air goes through this mist fans. There's a evaporative cooling and you get at least five to six degree lesser temperature with a soft mist coming on you. It gives you a little bit of a better way to have a evaporative cooling. So these are all the measures are practically there. These are not critical. It's already functioning there very well. You can see inside the courtyard almost there is a six to eight degree difference because of this particular strategies. Some of the sketches which shows as to how this can do. Also in the public areas they have used this kind of a umbrellas which are actually a solar generating umbrellas. They are there in the daytime. They generate all the energy and in the nighttime they close. So it gives you a beautiful nighttime view of the sky. So these are all experimental things have now come into a real time story. And I think it's something that we also should exploit in our country and must use all of these measures. These are the pictures. Those are the solar farming daylight harvesting. So they are bringing outside daylight going into every area of the basement. So even the basements has the daylight tubes and the daylight transfers through these strategies to every square foot which is there in that building. Some of the pictures, that's a net zero building. So when we talk about water, again we talked about Singapore where we have rainwater harvesting as an opportunity. We also have the gray water management. So these strategies have proved that you can save almost 40% of the water without having any major investments. You talk about the waste management. A lot of waste gets generated when it's a high density development. How many of you know that 20,000 square foot of a land parcel can generate one megawatt energy with the investment of 1.5 to 2 crore rupees? There are so many complexes where we have thousands of families living. If we give just a 20,000 square foot of a land, we can create a very sustainable one megawatt power, energy, biogas project over there which is going to be absolutely free once the project is installed. So these are the things that we can create out of waste which is normally a constraint but there is an opportunity to generate a power out of it. So a lot of people have the craving for a zero discharge. What does zero discharge means there will be nothing that will go outside the compound as an effluent. No water will get discharged to storm water drain. Today we see tsunamis and tornadoes and the flooding because lot of water, lot of dirt, lot of plastic that gets into the public drainage system and it chokes up the flow of the water to go to ocean. But here is an opportunity where you can have a zero discharge. It has been proved that all the water that is generated recycle is used within the compound. ITC is one of the great example. They have taken an oath to create every square foot of their hospitality as a lead platinum. They are doing a fantastic job. They are saving almost 28 to 30% on each of their hotel premises. They are all water positive. In a hotel, there is a guest which comes 24 by seven. So all that gray water that is getting generated in these hotels, it is recycled. 90% of the recycled water is used for the air conditioning makeup water tank and remaining is been given to the neighboring community. So there is a good social corporate responsibility they are doing and I think that is an opportunity for every particular developer who's into a high density thing. These kind of things can give you the energy saving up to 20, 30% easily. It can give you 40 to 60% water saving easily without spending any extra money. And if you do an exemplary performance, you can have a net zero energy positive buildings which are already coming up in various parts of the globe. I think it's a high time now. We should adopt these statuses with us. So IGBC is an Indian Green Building Council. I'm here as an executive committee member besides an architect. This is a completely a nonprofit making NGO organization where our craving is to spread the awareness about the green strategy. You can imagine there was only one building of 20,000 square foot in 2001. Today we have 4.66 billion square foot of a footprint which includes all kind of project, residential, hotel, commercial, hospital, industries, airports, everything, every sector has been covered under this. This chart also explains you as to how various senior dignitaries who have come into Pitcher to do this kind of an accesses. And all of this chart actually explains how it is growing. We have almost 4,205 projects coming up there. Explains about the energy efficiency, some of the exemplary performances done where lead platinum things have already come into a picture. You can see how the difference between the green building and other building, it looks same from outside, but the performance of these buildings is much better. Again, some of the exemplary performance, this is ITC Royal at Bangalore.  It's not only something that you want to put it only on your collar as a five star or a lead platinum, but actually gives you the tangible benefits. This is a TCS Techno Park at Chennai. Some of the interior projects also where you can use the zero VOC, good indoor environmental quality. And this is an interesting chart where you could see few years back when you used to do a green building, it used to cost you 18% more cost. Today it is only 2% more cost. So only 2% more cost, but huge tangible benefits. And I think that is what is going to go into every sector, commercial, healthcare, industrial, built environment. Also the government has started giving the incentive for the green buildings in terms of more FSI. The banks have started giving the finances at the subsidized rate. So it's been catching up. There's a Congress which is in Jaipur from 5th to 7th October. I surely urge many of you to come there. Lot of good things are going to happen. Plenty of national and international speakers and eminent panelists will be talking on three days for innovative approach for the sustainable future. So everything that we do has to have a sustainability in mind. And the best way to predict the future is to design it. That said, by the famous architect, Bakht Minister Pulhar, with this I say thank you to all of you. Well, thank you very much. I may please request you to remain on the stage and may I please invite Mr. Vijay Manout to please come on the stage to also present the token of gratitude to architects Sandeep Shikri.