Is all the Supras in the grass, Supra is dying? Geez, I'll have to be not die there. Hello everybody, I'm your War Rabbit. We're here on a set of Corsa on a different type of traffic server. On AC Junkies, traffic server number six. So, all the other traffic servers are on, say, Shintoko or the highways. This is on a factory, a set of course, Highlands. Some different on a full traffic server. Make sure you guys follow me on all social media. All just found strips in the box below. Let's get to it. So breaking the normality of all the traffic servers is this one because it's on basically a circuit track, which is kind of cool. And if is that guy gonna wanna go? Maybe not. Maybe he'll chase me. No, he's just chilling. So it's not just a straight shot traffic server, which is something totally different and cool because we have, you know, turns and stuff like that. We are in the Mismo 370. Running the Mosa R25 or R25. What am I talking about? Mosa R21. I'm thinking I was in fifth, needed to go into fifth gear. We just hit that car. So it's totally different than the normality of this straight driving on traffic servers, which is nice. And we're just gonna go, looks like it's getting more daytime. And the lights are coming up here. You can see it on the hill. So we're gonna cut these. Oh, I tried to pop it out of gear. So it's definitely been a lot of fun on traffic service. And this is definitely different. We can kind of just cut through the middle though. It's kind of nice. Kinda makes it a little bit easier, but except for when we come into this section, gonna pop different views. And if we find some other players, it will be definitely fun. Kinda just like a Sunday drive. It gets hairy when you get into the corners. Like that. That's when it definitely gets hairy. Is when you are in the corners. See if we can find another player to try and chase down. That's still just chilling there. And an RX-8. So this is gonna, we're gonna see if we can't catch these two. Get back into our in-car. This car's a quick compared to the Time Attack Supra, I believe. See if they actually die though.  Oh man, almost died. That RX-8 is all the Supras in the grass. Supra is dying. Geez, how did we not die there? We just left the Supra in the dust and I'm not sure how we didn't die on that section. Oh, the RX-8's done. Does that mean we win? Does that technically mean we win since the RX-8 and the Supra died?  I see up there. So we're gonna poke ourselves in like we're AI. Saw a car coming up in the mirror. Oh, it's a Supra. The Supra's back. He's flying though. See if we can catch up to him. String it into Z out. He's dead. Oh, we're dead. I did not realize that that corner was that tight. So he died and we died too. So unfortunately, we both died. Corolla AI Corolla. Oh, okay, don't go. Oh geez, okay. Head back to pits. So we beat him initially and then we died. So cruising through these roads is a lot more fun I feel than just cutting through highway traffic. We're gonna see it. Apparently I won't driven this car for nine miles. Guess we're just gonna go and cruise ourselves and see if another player decides to come fly in past us. If you guys like seeing this and you guys wanna see more of stuff like this here on the channel, let me know down in the comment section down below. Don't think we're gonna find anybody else to chase unless somebody's doing what I'm doing and just chilling. Mr. Supra is back and looks like we got the Mercedes behind us. Oh, as we kind of pop the wall. Okay. Why? I'm slightly confused why he just did that. That kinda hurt. A little rude. Mr. Supra's back. Hopefully he doesn't decide to hit me again but that GTR is gone. Mercedes kind of looks like all that GTR is dead. So we're at the Mercedes behind us and we're gonna try and chase the Supra down. He's gonna definitely die, you know. He seems very erratic when it comes to his line, as I say that he's cutting through the grass. Do a little grass dip too. Say he's gonna pull on me though. Surprised that Supra has not died yet. Something totally different in the normality of traffic servers. Mercedes is glitching everywhere though.  Gonna try and catch them if we can. They are gone. Oh, Mercedes done did died. Oh, that's the wall for us. But we didn't totally die. Definitely hurt though. It's flying. Oh, that's a wall. Should have picked a faster car other than the Supra or the 370. Mercedes is gone. So make sure you guys follow me on all social media. All's which are found in the description box below. If you guys enjoyed this and you guys wanna keep seeing more, let me know down in the comment section down below. I'd appreciate if you would tap the like button. And if you're not subscribed to the channel, if you would subscribe to the channel, I'd appreciate the support. Mr. Supra laying in the grass. He definitely is struggling. So is that RX7, that's all. This is GT. Oh, we're dead. The GTR did the wall ride. I mean, he kinda hit me initially. So with those, I like thank you guys for coming back and watching. Oh, that RX8 came out of nowhere. People rabbit. I'll see you guys on the track.


on any of the buildings is is risky and should be removed surely surely you can act without you know demanding further clarity and it sounds to me and i have to take the constituents to talk to me about this it sounds as though we're kind of hiding behind process issues rather than taking on board the action that needs to be taken when we know it needs to be taken in many cases is that fair or is that an unfair assessment thanks willy i'm going to bring in steven so at tale of impact we are actually particularly proud of what we've done in the action we took very early in in all of this we are just coming to the very end of a four-year cladding remediation programme at Glasgow harbour with 321 affected departments there that was an acm product on those apartments and the there's two blocks at 18 stories 19 stories so the risk profile there was something that we just you know absolutely were not comfortable with at all and so we took very early action to move in there and remediate that we had to overcome a lot of the the challenges we've had ministry there we've had officials out there to demonstrate how we've overcome some of the resident problems the ownership problems and so on and so forth but we were very clearly demonstrated that we got past all of that and the question i think you know that it's a good question and you know i understand both sides of this because we have remediated those buildings we have taken off the acm we have reclad all of that with non-combustible material we committed to the residents we'd provide an ews1 certificate because that was what we knew at the time we've then subsequently ran past 9 9 8 0 assessments against the buildings again where where the concern comes with people moving early in advance of the the scoping requirements being set and the assessment requires being clear is that we could end up and i don't think we will here because we've run past 9 9 8 0 so we are very confident however you could end up in a situation where you have to go back into those buildings again and if you think of the the experience of people living on that development site for the last four years with scaffolds and mass climbers and parking disrupted you know the fairness point is very relevant that you really only want to go into the buildings once and get this remediated properly and well and leave the residents with a building that they can ensure they can sell. Glasgow was the the risk profile there we we had to act in all good faith and we have we have done views of the rest of the portfolio and we don't have similar material elsewhere okay thanks willy just just for the points of doubt i mean we we have done when back circa 20 years have found no buildings with with that cladding or or issues similar to to grenfield we're also trying to find records now not all of us have kept or had computers since 1992 so there's a there's a different route to try and source those shall we say buildings which were completed back back in those days but that exercise continues i personally have no doubt in my mind if we did come across that type of material we would have sought to get it addressed for me it kind of occurs to me that picking up on Fiona's earlier point this is a cladding remediation bill you were talking specifically about the cladding there the difficulty seems to be when you're taking that external fabric of the building and then you're pushing in the internals as well and where you can't get things moving get it's completed and then ultimately get it on the safe building register to me that seems to make sense that you separate the two and have different registers for the cladding and the internals for the reasons we've heard of this morning great willy do you have any more questions no i'm interested at the time for you convener thank you very much for for those contributions and back to you thank you all right thanks very much julie oh julie you wanted to come in on this yes please thank you for that um it was really to address willy's question um but miller we have done exactly that we've looked to all the buildings that we've got that would potentially be in scope we we have some that are that do need some work um you can do other things to make the buildings a bit safer in the interim before you carry out remediation like putting in a you know advanced fire detection or if you need to awaken watch um to you know give the residents some some assurances around um around safety um but where we've found that we've got buildings that have things that need to be done immediately like uh taylor wimpi what we've done is we've carried out works in accordance with the PAS 9980 because we know that we understand that our fire engineers and fire safety consultants understand that um the building surveyors understand that the cost consultants understand that it is a you know it is recognised um we're not messing around with anything um and it gives us the ability to um you know get in and get work done quickly and um i suppose that's back to this point that you know we could we could move this on a bit quicker or a lot more quickly than we have done so to date by adopting some of the methodology and the standards um that have been used in england instead of creating new ones um and and that would have quite a significant impact on timing if we did that okay um thanks for that just just on that um quite a few people have referenced kind of the idea that oh we need to adopt what's going on in england but is different legislation so is there something from your understanding of why why we're not doing that um i struggle with this but i think that that's where that's what the bill could do that the the clearing remediation bill should address the gaps right and we could start off from a basic standard that everyone knows and and and and and understands and where the scottish legislation is deficient um then we should be using this bill to plug those gaps and and we don't seem to be and i find that quite difficult to get my head round why we haven't used this bill in that way okay thank you very much for that i'm now going to bring in Marie McNair with questions thank you can you know it takes me a little into my question it's obviously the committee would be really interested to hear if there've been any lessons that have been learned from cladden remuniation elsewhere in the uk that you know might improve this bill or the wider scottish government response to this issue um so i don't know julie if you want to expand a wee bit on that or i'll put it out to your colleagues first um i'm going to pass this to kearn because kearn has um much more experience than i have in england although we do we do have buildings that we are remediating in england and and and have experience of that um i think that the the bar experience will be more um fulsome than ours thanks julie thanks julie um i think as as we mentioned earlier we were one of the first to sign up to the pledge in england and the pact in wales as well and obviously we have undertaken i think over 90% of the um past assessments of our portfolio in england and wales and you know we the lessons we've learned i think that fundamentally these are people's homes these are people's lives this is you know these are people's biggest purchase of their lives and we we need to get this right and i think it really does relate back to the doing it doing it right and doing it once rather than causing continuing disruption to their lives and because it does have an impact it really does have an impact on people's lives when you're potentially reducing the daylight coming into their apartments you know it's it's in the depths of winter now um it's cold out there and if you're removing insulation and cladding from buildings for a period of time you are going to have an impact on people's lives and and that's that's the fundamental point you know we've always said no lease holder should ever pay for this and and you know equally we're undertaking a a major programme of assessment and remediation on a significant number of buildings so the lessons we have learned and we continue to learn um are you know making sure we put the customer first we've set up a specialist division within barrett developments that deal purely with building safety and fire risk um within that we have a a dedicated communications and customer team that that you know whilst they may not have been our initial customer you know x number years ago up to 30 years ago they're still our customers now and it's important we treat them with the respect and the value they deserve um because you know it is not their fault it is not their problem they that they're in this situation so it's it's it's vitally important that we learn and we continue to learn to make sure we put residents first in that process as well thank you anybody else want to come in on that don't have to do you want to bring in your next question final ask the same question again from the previous session is there anything else you'd like to see in the bill or any action taken by the Scottish government that has not been already highlighted in the committee today and i'll just pop that out to 200 first of that okay yeah thanks i think we've covered most of it i mean certainly in terms of our written written submission to the committee and we outlined a number of points as i said at the beginning so it's specification of the sba clarity on the treatment of the sms detail on the scope content and management of the of the register inclusion of clear obligations including timescales for scottish ministers and just timescales was a point that was made earlier i think we need that obligations on on all parties and recognition principle of proportionality and the role of the wider stakeholders and the wider supply chain i think we've kind of touched on all of those but we think that's sort of succinctly what the bill is lacking at the moment thank you that was a very comprehensive list isn't it one yeah anyone else want to come in on that john thank you it's just again i agree with what Fiona said but just picking up on some of the commentary from the the previous session which i heard it was about something about the timeframes time skills get things done and i get i get the real point around about that but i what i think is important to understand is whatever the scope of the sba is going to be the way the bill is drafted currently they like to bring it up to today's standards there's got to be a whole building warrant process to go through the control and the delivery of the outcome of that building warrant application is not in the gift of the applicant so just something to be mindful of if there's a if there's an appetite to put a time frame wrap a time frame around it there's a whole unknown piece in there about putting in your application and the duration and the potential output from that even once the scope in the sba is agreed current current application processes are becoming more elongated and i think there's a question around about the resources in that at local authority level they need to be understood and appropriately put that in place i think unless that's understood and tackled i don't understand how a thought process of wrapping a time frame around about that could be done thoroughly okay thanks for that kieran could i also come back to the previous point as well i think one of the other lessons that we as barrett have learned as well is that the critical importance of a supply chain and infrastructure behind trying to deliver on scale a a a cladding or building safety remediation programme and you know we we have a significant backline of assessors engineers contractors and approved inspectors etc in in england and wales and you know to to add to john's point there we need to understand the level of resource and expertise in public sector but also in the private sector because the pool of specialist contractors the pool of fire assessors engineers etc is finite and what we've experienced in in england and wales is actually at times we've been competing with the same resources as the building safety fund so the government's government's mechanism or delivery vehicle for setting up cladding remediation for orphan buildings and we've been competing with that system when we're trying to invite tenders or or trying to appoint engineers and assessors as well so that that's probably one of the other learnings as well is that we need that infrastructure and that supply chain behind us to deliver this at scale as well as the experience from a policy and legal mechanism perspective as well. Okay thanks very much for that Stephen. Yeah just to reiterate probably some of Ciaran's points you know people are at the heart of this this is a building safety problem and it's people's homes that people are living in homes and the stress and distress that's causing a lot of people with not being able to remortgage not being able to move home not being able to buy a cell affecting life events you know it's a significant matter we need to find a way to to really inject speed into this conversation you know from our point of view we are ready you know Ciaran's talked about the lessons learned in england which i agree with in england we has taken some time but we've now got you know consultants available we've got contractors available everybody's now become quite familiar with cladding mediation so you know as i say we've we've completed 39 buildings already in england a lot of these contractors and consultants work north and south in the border so there's the infrastructure's kind of already there albeit you know we'd dilute the availability slightly so the infrastructure's there from our point of view we are we're ready to do it we need to remember that it's people so the quicker we can clarify that scope and if for argument's sake we said tomorrow and i know there's been good work done with the the recent meetings that pass 9 9 8 0 becomes the standard then very quickly the developers know which buildings fall into scope fall out of scope the orphan buildings could be assessed very quickly against that because it's familiar with all of the fire engineering community so you very quickly then start to narrow the amount of buildings and the amount of people that are currently uncertain whether they're affected by this or not and then you can move very quickly to um the councillor's point earlier on around you know why can't we go on and do something just now if that got agreed very quickly then the developers would start to move i believe and that would really start to help some of the resident concerns okay great thanks for that um yeah so we're going to bring in julie and then i've got members of it members who've indicated that they want to come back so we've got bit of time but so julie and then i'm going to bring in miles and then willy has indicated he wants to come in too julie thanks um it's just a point to expand on um the previous point that was made all the problems that we've got in trying to get on and start and remediate and the access to consultants and contractors in order to um progress um the developers who will be remediating in scotland are are quite a small proportion of the number of affected you know will be remediating the small proportion of the number of affected buildings so all the problems that we have scotish government are going to have you know multiple times um in comparison and so it's an absolutely everyone's interest that we get a speedy resolution and an efficient resolution and dare i say a cost effective resolution because um you know this will have a massive if we don't come up with a a solution to the scope and to the question of um tolerable risk um this will have a massive financial impact just um on the public purse thanks very much for that i'm just going to before i bring in miles apologies your moment will come kiran i'm aware that you need to leave at 12 is there anything that you just want us to hear or do you think we've covered it no i think we've covered the majority points to be honest with you but thank you for the opportunity thanks very much for joining us miles thanks can we know i had a couple of questions the first is in relation to the scope and specifically wanted to ask why you felt the scotish government have excluded student accommodation hotels care homes now we know from the conversation england seemed to be way ahead on getting at these properties taking forward i think 21 percent now are having remedial works done just just one in scotland um but just wondered why within this legislation you think scotish government have taken that decision anybody want to piona we represent home builders so do you want us we we just haven't looked at at the issue elsewhere so i've got no no thoughts as to why it's been being excluded again i can't i can't shed light as to why it's been excluded but to my knowledge there's been no consultation uh out with the developers and the bill is about developers and the bill is about cladding and that's what we as members at homes of scotland and the house building house developing side and that's what we've been engaged in and that's all i could say on that yeah march julie you want to come in on this yes just a possibility that from the outset and it's a similar situation in england contractors are excluded from liability under the english system and from the outset i think that was proposed in scotland under the accord that if you were developing solely as a contractor and taking a contractor profit rather than a developer profit you wouldn't be within scope the types of accommodation that you've just referenced student accommodation tend to be built by contractors and i wonder if that's why they've been excluded you know the hospitals etc it's a different model and i wonder how many developers have that mixed portfolio of developments though and what that looks like not just home building very few it's not really a model that that home builders would operate it's generally contractors that build commercial commercial buildings yeah and in terms of the impact of a different approach as well um you know i know from some of the casework and all members are having this um around insurance and actually rebuilding confidence in the insurance industry and getting a solution having that different approach potentially at the end of this and and having a situation which has been outlined around high and low risk buildings um is that and we will be having the insurance industry in in the future um what concerns are there around that creating two very different sets of situations north and south of the border and has that been fed into the Scottish Government by yourselves as well we um obviously we're we're not we're not insurers but um and they can speak for themselves but as i understand it there has been an improvement in the lending and the ensuring view or appetite towards towards risk from those buildings elsewhere in the UK where they're now identified as being on part of a programme even if the remediation hasn't started yet that has certainly helped improve appetite towards looking at those at those buildings so as we've said on a number of occasions if we can increase the overall pace of things in scotland here start to get that scope start to get the buildings identified then hopefully that might be able to improve their sentiment towards lending and insurance in in scotland but i suggest if you have um if you have them in front of you and you know if you've examined the point worth exploring with them yeah and just fine i wanted to go back to Steven's point i think from a very beginning and the previous panel um around communication and the bill doesn't really necessarily capture this because it probably sits within a factors bill almost of future management of risk and just wondered in in terms of that because i think a lot of people who are currently in buildings are not feeling there is that standard communication for them we've heard feedback loops being mentioned and people in social rented properties that being the responsibility of the the housing association of the council um but looking towards specifically how that should be improved in this bill and what suggestions you might have given this isn't your responsibility it's maybe the factor who's either been appointed or there is often connections between developer and factors so just wondered if you had suggestions of what that should look like for any potential amendments um to suggest to government because i think that's at the heart of what a lot of people are frustrated about not having proper communication over this period um and then not knowing what's going on even if there is sometimes good work taking place so i mentioned to you steven so maybe bring you back in happy to um so yeah i think you know talking to the lessons learned um communication is probably the biggest one uh you know it's a it's a complex topic uh you know the lay person might not understand a lot of the content but they are they are directly affected and you know they'll have the the kind of emotional impact that will come with with some of this so communication from our point of view is fundamental to making a success of any of these projects so you know if we take the glasgo harbour one for example you know there's very regular newsletters that go out there we've been to a number of agms and egms of residents we took steps with the factor to set up a slightly different arrangement there so there was far more attention given to those those residents for the duration of the works so again there's things that we we have implemented that can be replicated elsewhere to improve that even things like the the considerate constructor scheme which improves the communication of the contractors on site to to residents because you know that that's one thing that we all need to probably bear bear in mind is when all of these buildings were built they weren't people living in them so you know the circumstances are very different now to go back in to to remediate some of these buildings and the approach needs to be sensitive to that and take account of some of that so how that communication is addressed through the bill i'm probably not quite clear how you might do that however i think it does need to feature and some thought given around the communication our obligations of communications with with residents from from developers but also from Scottish Government as well okay yes it may be some form of guidelines after the bill comes in but john and anthiona just picking up on that i think the broader question beyond the remediation phase if we're thinking longer term and we're tying back to some of the questions about building mot's if you like there's probably something there about completion and the handover and like the maintenance type manuals and so on and so forth that probably could be thought about that factors and so on and so forth could could pick up and i think that in the longer term that give a lot of knowledge awareness and peace of mind of what has to be done and when it's not something specific that the bill can address but i think it's important in terms of the context of the bill and that's the resourcing within Scottish Government we have over the last couple of years and i think part of the reason why this has struggled to get momentum has been a substantial under investment in terms of resourcing of the Scottish Government team and i think in terms of and we have seen an improvement in that in recent months but i think in terms of the overall scale of delivering what needs to be delivered once this moves into the operational and delivery phase and we cannot underestimate the resourcing that that will be required within government to deliver on it and the coordination of all the buildings, the communication with all of the residents of all of those buildings, it's a huge and complex task that Scotland has never done before, UK has never done, has never done before so i think we can't underestimate the resource intensive nature that this will take to deal with it and i'm not sure that it's fully reflected i think in terms i know you're not looking specifically at the financial memorandum and that's been looked at elsewhere but it is a point that we've made is that overall financial implications for government in terms of resourcing not just the capital expenditure okay thanks juli you want to come in and then i'll bring in willy for a closing question yes thank you it was to answer the question i think miles on communication i wonder if there is something that the bill could do around responsibility for communication for not just developers but from the residents and factors and establish a platform for that because there isn't one at the moment and something perhaps you could pick up with the law society about looking at how that property law piece is established in scotland at the moment because there is a gap there as well and that you there are roles that are taken up by managing agents in in england which we just don't see in the factors don't have the same level of responsibility or control over being able to do anything so there may be something there i think from a communication perspective what we've found is actually communicating direct with the residents association again there's no obligation to have a residents association but if there's one there it's great it's a it's a channel so yeah there is there is possibilities there okay great willy are you still there want to come in with a question yeah thanks very much convener it was really to go back to the point about how we hasten progress or what the barriers to that are and we talked about building standards and i think juli was replying to a point about that i mean in scotland i think we're particularly proud that our building standards legislation is more rigorous than than that applies down south juli i have to come back to you in that point are you saying that scotland should either loosen slack and less and abandon there are rigorous building standards in order to make further progress sorry i lost you a little bit there but i think what you're saying was should we abandon building standards no absolutely not and you know there are building standards that have been in place in scotland for a number of years which are you know are higher standards than there are in england such sprinklers came in much earlier than in england and wales what this is about though is making building safe retrospectively for people to live in and therefore it may be that we cannot retrospectively remediate two current standards but we what we must do is make a building safe and tolerably safe for the residents to live in but is our scotland building standards somehow slowing that process down in your view or is i think that that was the sense of what i got from me earlier that if only we could adopt the same standards that are applying down south that somehow it would speed up the process in scotland sorry what i was suggesting was that we used the current system in england which is the PAS 99080 as the standard to which we remediate the buildings because not only do we understand that but all of the professionals architects understand what needs to be done in order to make the building safe through using the i think it's a publicly available standard in england okay great yeah thanks i mean i think we've got a sense also i think we heard that the PAS 99080 we've got some movement on that and we're going to move towards agreement but uh steven you want to come in yeah i was just on the on the building control point the building standards point i think um you know we've got the live example we're we're now getting the complete certificates of glasgo harbour for the various towers the building standards processes worked well the support from building control in glasgo city council has been excellent i think a couple of important points though is resource within the local authority we know that is under pressure particularly specialisms around maybe fire or structural engineers within the councils one important point probably just again and a lesson is learned when we're dealing with older properties and so not not a new design new build where we might go through the the scr the structural design process with that structural engineer we can't do that for older buildings because the structural engineer won't take on the full responsibility for all of the rest of the existing structure so we had to go through the more traditional structural engineering approach with glasgo city council where i think they had two structural engineers in the building control team who were dealing with fire issues and sick health and all sorts so we were competing with resource but they gave us a very good service so i think that the building standards process works well the resource is probably something we just need to think about as all of these buildings come forward and you know i think i think that then comes back to scope and trying to mitigate the amount of buildings that are being presented and there was one other point on building standards it was going to make oh the other point sorry is you know i think it's very very important to be clear that this this is a building safety issue and it's not a building improvement programme so this isn't about improving new values of walls and various other parts of the building regulations it shouldn't apply you know this isn't developers being coming back asked to come back and upgrade buildings from 30 years ago to all aspects of the building standards because that would not be possible so we need to be you know quite refined in the scope and i think that's quite important to feature within the bill yeah okay i think that is a good point i mean you may not be able to or may not want to answer this question but it kind of strikes me some of what's come up this morning is really like mobilising right workforce local authorities now you've just kind of highlighted the kind of specialisms there supply chain getting all those materials already to do this piece of work to you know do the kind of cladding scotland project and i just kind of start to think about a local authorities need to kind of just if you think about them alone they need to suddenly direct that resource for a period of time and the question that rises me is if the if the bill was through and we were moving forward what are we looking at is this a kind of 10-year project what kind of scope are we looking at in terms of all that resource needing to be addressing this issue i think that's that's a very difficult question to answer to be honest you know did every building will have its own complexities i think it comes back to scope again because at the moment you know the Scottish Government won't really understand how many buildings are in scope because the scope is not clear once we clarify the scope it will reduce the number of buildings in question to be assessed and then for potential remediation that then lets the local authorities set their resource levels and everybody else with consultants and contractors coming in behind having some idea of what that runway of remediation looks like but you know Glasgow Harbour it's a big example with 321 apartments and six towers but that's been four years as a project so we've had a contractor tied up and a suite of consultants tied up on that for four years to reach the point where that's so you know it's a big example but i think it's a difficult question to answer but it is going to be a significant duration i would think but it's helpful to have that answer and then you're you're doing that in a situation where not everybody's doing it so suddenly there's a lot more work that needs to be done that we need to be aware of and just to come back to so i think my takeaway from this conversation are lots of them but the PAS 9980 is the from your perspective what would create the right scope for this work okay great okay well thanks very much for joining us this morning i think that was very useful to hear from you really appreciate you coming in to committee and julie great thanks so much for joining us online we previously agreed to take the next item in private so as that was the last public item on our agenda for today i now close the public part of the meeting