People of the internet, welcome to modern day debate. Tonight we are debating the flat earth versus the globe earth and we are starting right now. So I am Kaz, host of the atheist edge. Tonight we are joined by John Zirka and Whitsa Gitzit on the flat earth side. And then they're going to be opposing ASEAN and I'm sorry, Van Zoom on the globe side. They're going to each going to have six minutes for their opening statements. I believe that the globe is going first. So ASEAN, I believe you are going to be the person on the globe side. So at your first word, I will start your timer and the floor is all yours. If you don't know how I am, I'm just some dude who makes videos on YouTube named OSEAN. We're talking about things I love to talk about. It's Remind Craft on Twitch where I have time. I even committed heresy by streaming a Hogwarts legacy. I also helped the modern day debate discourse server that you should all join. I wrote a book called Beyond Faith which was Amazon number one new release in the category of atheism. Which only seems to require you to sell like four books. Thank you for hosting me again on modern day debate. It's my pleasure to confront anti-bunct of preposterous flattery theory. It's been roundly mocked and ridiculed. But I like to take their claim seriously because I know they are just in need of someone who will help them come to the perfect circle of enlightenment. That's a joke people. According to their theory, the earth is topographically flat rather than a sphere or an oblique spheroid. My intention to demonstrate with irrefutable scientific facts that this claim is utterly false. Let us begin with the principle of gradient pressure which pertains to the force exerted by a fluted such as air due to the differences in pressure. As we move higher in the atmosphere the way of the air above us decreases and so does the pressure. This is in direct contradiction to the flat earth theory which positive the earth is some form of flat world inside some container of sorts and that the pressure at any given point would have to be the same regardless of altitude. Because liquid and air finds its level where equal pressure evenly distributed in the container unless there is some other force acting upon it because these people deny that gravity exists and even refuse to recognize that it is a valid word to explain the observation that things fall down. However, their argument is flawed since it overlooks the fact that gravity plays a crucial role in the distribution of pressure. Moreover, the flat earth proponents try to pawn off their ideas to explain the obvious gradient as buoyancy or electrostatics. But these concepts only serve to highlight their ignorance of the laws of physics and the formulas for buoyancy include the gravitational constant. And when we shield equipment for electromagnetism electrostatics we don't get lighter folks. Now, turning to the size and shape of the earth the ancient Greek mathematician Eretocines deserves a special mention. He was the first person to calculate the circumference of the earth using basic observations. By measuring the angle of sun's rays at different locations he estimated the earth's size with remarkable accuracy. However, his method was based on the assumptions of the earth as a sphere which if it were not the case would have led to erroneous results. Which he didn't because today thanks to advanced technology we can measure the curvature of the earth with even greater precision. Satellites and GPS technology enable us to determine our exact location on the earth's surface and students worldwide have replicated Eretocines experiment to obtain similar results. These facts provide tangible evidence that the earth is indeed a sphere along with beautiful photos from space. Lastly, let us tackle the behavior of light in our atmosphere. According to the Flat Earth theory light does not travel in straight lines but follows some reverse sadness field of view or everyone has some personal sons that follow some round or some other strange cockamamie belief that they used to explain it the way. Your assertion is false as we can assert light traveling in straight lines in our everyday lives. Like when you go to watch a movie the light doesn't do a bunch of bendy curvy noces yeah, refraction and stuff like that of course. Moreover, scientists have studied to behave your light in our atmosphere for centuries and to develop mathematical models that accurately predict its behavior. To sum up, the Flat Earth theory is a baseless conspiracy theory that runs counter to the principles of science and common sense. Gradient pressure, the measurement of the earth's size and shape and the behavior of light in our atmosphere all point to the fact that the earth is a sphere harboring otherwise as it can the claiming that the sky is green and the grass is blue, which is to say pure nonsense. Your beliefs is placed on their religious beliefs or they weren't being boozled. Which are you? Sit. All right, thank you so much, Ozzie. And then we will go ahead and move on to Van Zoom for your opening statement, Van. So it's your first word. I will start your timer. The floor is all yours. Can you hear me? Hello. There you go. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Okay, I'm starting, right? All right, can you hear me? It's your first word. All right, so I wanted to thank a modern day debate for hostings, my very first debate. So I'm very grateful. So the idea of flat earth originates in Bronze Age mythology. We see it in Egyptian mythology and we see it in certain Mesopotamian mythology. And it's always portrayed as a flat disc with a crystal dome or the firmament and then you have pillars holding it up is a common design for it. But that was simply a model for primitive people that didn't have access to flight. And that should be very clear. Like we can see photos from space. We have been to space. We know how round the earth is. We have satellites orbiting the earth. It's 2023 and I don't understand why people are still thinking that we haven't had over 2,000 years of scientific advancement. And it's like, it's been ignored and it's, but going back, it's simply for me, flat earth is originally was used to explain something nobody understood, which was how big the earth was. Mostly that question or where people were on the earth. And then it always ended up looking like a map on a table almost. I mean, if you have the flat thing on four pillars, it's like a map on a table. And it's always like that because that was as much access to anything as they had, they couldn't fly. They could, some of them can climb mountains, but not really. But to believe in flat earth now, with all of the scientific advancement, with all the knowledge we have, it's almost like, faith in religion almost. But at the same time, it's completely falsifiable and it has been. And flat earth, like it goes beyond science denial and it starts to become reality denial. And I can see the rest of my time. All right, okay, then we will go ahead and kick it back over to the flat earth side. And I believe that John is gonna go first. So John, at your first word, I will restart the timer. John, the floor is all yours. Yeah, hey, Vaughn Zoom and what up everyone in the audience and modern day debate. And where's the guy with the subway tattoo? Is he not here today? That's James. No, he's not here today. I love you, James. If you're watching this, I love you. And what up, Witsit? What up, Auslan? Okay, I'll just start with Vaughn Zoom. Vaughn Zoom is with the glasses, right? Okay. Yes, yes. You said flat earth is a primitive thing and then now we have airplanes and stuff. Are you aware that an airplane, it's AI system for emergency land use. It's autopilot system. It does not use your game or cater map or any other map. It uses our equidistant flat earth geocentric map.  It's a primitive thing.  That's the ice wall map that you guys make fun of. Are you aware of that? Yes. What do you think? Are they just doing it to troll the pilots? No, topographical maps are have a different use.  We have had planes go into outer space and take video of them in outer space over a spherical earth. No, no, no, answer the plane thing before we go to your CGI. Okay, hold on. John, this is your opening statement time. John, John, John, this is your opening statement time. So we don't want to have him trying to take over the time from you.  I can't debunk his retards. That's what the open discussion time is for. So why don't you just go ahead and say whatever you want to say about whatever they said and let them go on to it later. Oh my God, okay. You want me to do, okay, all right. Well, my name's John Zerka. I guess I'm on team flat. And the stuff I heard earlier was like, it's a religious thing. It's not. We have scientific method. We have curvature calculations. We have the real science. You guys rely on the dumbest mathematical gravity models that you can't even repeat this science in nature in a lab. Like you're not going to get water to stick to a ball ever. The only time it's stuck to a ball is in the ISS, the International Space Station. But they've already been leaked that they're using chroma key screens, blue screens and gray screens, green screens to make the water congeal. Like this has all been debunked with Eric Dubey and everyone.  Every ancient cosmology was a geocentric flat earth cosmology.   You said something like, it's only an ancient thing. What are you talking about? Look at 1400, as late as the 1400s, look at those kind of maps. Another thing, your retard globalist model, your global model was started by a Jesuit from the Catholic church.   And let me tell you something, right?  It's just so big, you can't see it.  At 60,000 feet in altitude, you should be able to see curvature.  Like Einstein said, the earth is an observable motionless plane. Like Tesla said, the earth is not a spirit to realm.       Give me a break. Okay, you guys already lost. Go ahead with it. Nice. All right. High DPS. High DPS. I'm gonna share my screen real fast. That's cool. Go ahead. All right. All right. So the question that we're going to start with is, is the earth moving? People actually believe that this is going on here. I mean, it's 2023. Careful, Rick. Careful. These two believe that's real. They believe that's literally real, like the Mars rover that sends magical space Wi-Fi photos from 100 million miles away. But these guys lose connection when they bring their dildos in the mountains when they go camping, because it's done through a grid system. Radio waves. Translations. All right. All right. Cook them. Cook them, bro. Don't go easy on them. They've been sitting on us.  I'm gonna put you on mute, okay, John? Because I'm gonna let your partner have a chance to speak. I got it. Okay, baby. So, yeah, it's 2023. We don't have any videos of space from space with stars or them showing us a clip just from the outside or anything. But you guys are like talking about, look at this picture that didn't change for three days. That looks like a five-year-old made it with Nintendo. But anyway, is the earth moving? So you have Nicholson morally, right? And they shoot the rays on the rights. What should have happened when the perpendicular light rays recombined? They moved a longer path because it was moving against the motion of the earth. It didn't do that. It moved exactly the same. This is where all of physics changed, and they just made up a new dimension, changed all of physics, changed everything, said it just appears like we're stationary. Here's Einstein. I don't have a lot of time, so this isn't cherry-picking. The whole quote's right there. But he says, since then I've come to believe the motion of the earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment. And then he also says that to the question whether or not the motion of the earth in space can be made perceptible in any terrestrial experiment, which means any experiment on the earth. All attempts to do this were negative, meaning that you can't measure the motion of the earth around the sun from the earth. He changed all of physics to say it's impossible, and everything just tricks us into thinking that the earth is stationary in the center. Here's Einstein saying, but when I was a student, I saw that experiment of this kind already been made, in particular by a compatriot, Mickelson. He proved that one does not notice anything on earth that it moves, but that everything takes place on earth as if the earth is in a state of rest. That's what you believe is that it's just a coincidence and it's like a stationary. As for this whole gravity and nonsense about you need a force, there's something called a downward electric current on the earth. It's measurable, it's provable, so we have positive energy increasing above. It then goes down to the ground to seek equilibrium. This is, of course, from a Richard Feynman lecture right here explaining it. It's a grounded metal plate. We'll have the same surface charge as the earth. The plates covered with the ground conductor will have no surface charge. In the next level movie, actually it's level with me. Check it out, levelwithmefilm.com. We actually did the experiment to show you can make things go up and down, manipulating electrostatics, gravity as a fairy tale. Here's the downward electric current going down to the surface of the earth. So if you deny this, you deny basic measurable empirical evidence that can be done by going out on the earth and measuring that there's a measurable downward electric current on the earth. Let's not talk about that. Also, you don't need gravity for anything to do with the earth. You can solve for downward acceleration using a kinematic equation. It has nothing to do with gravity or the idea that mass attracts mass, which is not even what your belief system is anymore. So you don't need it at all. All you need is the height of the ball or whatever is falling. Then you need downward acceleration, what you're solving for, the time and the initial velocity. And this kinematic equation can solve for a little A or a little G, which is downward acceleration. Everywhere on the earth for all engineering, anything you use gravity for can be solved completely without the idea of gravity. You'll never get a rebuttal. All right, microwaves are not significantly affected by diffraction nor refraction. So if you look at this bottom picture right here, we have microwaves going out and it gets blocked by the hill. So if we send a radio wave out, they say it diffracts and then it'll fill in the gap behind it so it can go over the obstruction. And they make up how far that can go anyway. Microwaves cannot do this. Microwaves do not diffract or refract like that. So if you shoot a microwave horizontally straight at a hill, it's going to get blocked by the hill because the diffraction or refraction is significantly different. Well, if we look at the curvature of the earth, the curvature of the earth is supposedly going to block these horizontal microwave transmissions. So say we're a 100 foot tall tower. It should be at 200 distant miles. We should have 23,495 feet of curvature blocking the obstruction or obstructing the actual target. And then we should only go 12 miles. If we're 300 feet up, then it should only go 21 miles. Unfortunately, the ACE, which is the Allied Command Europe High Band was a NATO communication system implemented during the Cold War where they're shooting 50 to 250 miles with microwave transmissions. Microwave transmissions. And again, you can't just cop out by saying refraction into fraction. It doesn't work like that. So you guys don't know the answer. I can play games with you all night and let you continue to do, but we're going to cut to the chase and tell you what your religion is. Your religion is that it's just magically starts to go out horizontally and there's a magic area in the atmosphere. Not the atmosphere, mind you. This is like just a couple of miles up where it just hits water in the at most then reflects right back down to where it's supposed to go.  And that wouldn't work consistently. This should be read into the documentation that was recently declassified from this program. It consistently works. You can send these microwaves out over and over and over and it works every single time as if it was horizontal. So I would love to hear you guys explain that. So I have much more time. So we'll just cover this. We all were talking about planes. If I have a plane and the starting destination is this little blue circle here and then I'm going to fly out to the red circle. Can you see my mouse? Yeah, here we go. The red circle right here is the destination. In real life, what we do is we put the heading on the city and fly straight to it. We fly like the earth is flat and stationary. That's how we fly planes, okay? We fly straight to the location that we're heading to with our heading on that city the whole time. The globe says, however, that the earth is spinning and that the atmosphere is not completely connected to the earth, which means to actually take the shortest path, which is a geodesic, a curve on a globe, and you're actually going to have to slowly update the entire time that you get to the city if you're keeping it in your heading. If you just keep it in your heading and keep going, you're going to be updating, updating. The significantly shorter path and, therefore, much faster path would be to cut it off and lead it. This would cost airplanes or airliners billions of dollars. They don't do this. This also makes the globe. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much, Whitsitt. And with that, we're going to go ahead and start moving into the open discussion. But before we do that, I just want to let everybody know, especially if it's your first time joining us here on Modern Day Debate, that we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. 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Gentlemen, the floor is all yours. Maybe I should start with apologizing to the globalist Satanists that are shilling for literally 25 Nazis Operation Paperclip that started NASA.  NASA comes from Nazi. That's what you guys are supporting.    No, it doesn't say that directly. No. It says you have to fly the plane like the Earth is flat. It absolutely does say that. It says you can't treat the Earth as if it's flat. No, it says you have to. Can you cite a manual that uses the globe? Can you cite the manual directly, quote it directly when it specifically says? It says it will use a flat Earth model to be able to map out how to use the plane. Yeah, we can use a flat Earth model to fly between two points.  Use our ice wall maps. And it's not an ice wall, it's the highest shoreline on Antarctica.  But everything uses our maps. Nobody uses your retard globalist maps. Nobody. No, because it's a two-dimensional. I reality. So you have to make maps flat so you can read them. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Have you been to the ice wall? Hold on, hold on.  Okay, make it flat. Whatever, whatever, I'll give you that.  You have to make it flat. You have to literally change reality to launch a cruise missile. Have you seen a book? Books are flat, right? Have you ever read a piece of paper that was curved? Hold on, hold on. I'm in the mouth. Okay, I'll check this out. Check this out. I'll give it to you and I'll still win. Let's say that made sense, which you said like you have to make the map flat. Why, then why are they adding an ice wall?  They'll drive an ice wall. Huh? What? They'll drive an ice wall in the map. Wait, where is Antarctica on the flat maps? Antarctica on the flat map? It depends on the map you look at. No, name one that has is a little... The one that the airplane uses. Where is Antarctica on that map? In many maps, it's on the bottom, it's on the south. How can you have a flat map just sitting there by itself on the bottom? Are you kidding me? What is the bottom of a flat map? Have you seen like a map where the globe is... You don't even have a model! Yeah, it's on the entire bottom of the map, so... In some of them, you're talking about a specific map. You're literally embarrassing yourself. Antarctica would be 180 degrees away from north. Just like a compass has one magnetic north, there's no south pole.  You circumnavigate east to west, and the four points of south would be 180 degrees away from north. You're not smart. How many vaccines did you take? I think it's irrelevant to the discussion. I think it's a Robinson map or cater maps, where they show this... Antarctica on the south side of the map. Right? It's not shown as a wall. Where would south be on a flat earth, bro? Where would south be on a flat earth? We're not talking about the... We're talking about maps. They draw a bro. They draw a map. Wait, wait, wait.  What do you mean bottom?  I'm not talking about a flat earth map, bro. That's what we were talking about. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody stop. What are you asking him right now, Ozzie? I'm sorry. We're talking about maps they actually use.  Are you kidding? The point is, you guys use our maps.  The whole world. The whole world treats the earth like it's flat. If you want to make millions and billions of dollars with an airline, you use geocentric maps, flat earth maps. And you fly the plane like the earth is flat and stationary. I just broke that down in my opener. You literally fly the plane like it's just sitting there stationary and it's flat. Also when... No, no, I don't want you guys to drown here because you guys are drowning fast. Let's give you guys another life, okay? One in the chat to like, heal their HP. Where the fuck... Well, there we go. I'll ask you a question. Don't be... I'll ask you a question. I have a question for you. Don't worry. Bernie Sanders is going to say to you soon, where can you see curvature? Where? At what altitude would a human see? If I did a weather balloon test, at what altitude can you guarantee me curvature?  They're not balls. They're not technology balls.  Where? You can see it with drone footage. It goes up like that 200 feet. No, no, no. I'm not talking about a seaside land where you warping. Are you kidding? Drones? This dude just said you can see the curvature from 200 feet. No, no, no. But wait a minute. Some people see it at the beach when the boat is going under the horizon. Some people see it at zero feet. Yeah, but they... Your religion? Yo, your religion?  You can't see your invisible retarget with the curvature going. You have never seen curvature. Yeah. It's a seaside land. It's a seaside land. Oh, fish eye lens and a drone. There's a moon orbit of flat Earth. It moves over top of a flat Earth. Yeah, but... Yeah, and actually in the 19th... What about respect? Where does it go when we can't see it? I think I know where they are. The moon is cosmic plasma, first of all. It's not a rock. It's just a floating rock. We haven't gone to the moon and collected the rock. You didn't do anything, dude. You went to the moon? Yeah, did you? It's a whirlwind. Wait, wait, wait. When you went to the moon... Humanity did. Wait, wait, wait. Humanity did. Just hang on, bro. So I can claim... Be charitable with the words he used. Come on. Guys, listen.  A wire telephone talking to people 240,000 miles away? Bro, you lose connection today with an iPhone.   Yeah, because it's a direct line of sight to the friggin' astronauts. That's not even the official answer. It was a one-way... Oh, no. I'm talking about the radio. The radio signal was direct line of sight to the astronauts. He's talking about the phone setup. I know which... Why don't you Google... The reason why cell phones drop is because it's fucking... You lose direct line of sight to the tower. That's not true. 97% of Earth's Wi-Fi... It doesn't know the difference between the two. 97... 97%... So you don't think you went to the moon? Hang on, hang on. You don't even believe we went to the moon.  I believe in you. 97%... I know we went to the moon. It's more than a leaf. Bro, first of all... It doesn't matter. There's literally footage on the Conan show. Where Buzz Aldrin says nobody saw the moon landing. It was animated. Because there was no fucking... We didn't have that. So we had to animate it. That was being refuted, too. It was all animated. And then what happened? You guys lost. Jerky, John, you didn't catch up. That's been refuted. That was an actual cartoon. Okay, okay. Refute that. What about the loss of the technology? Because it was talking about an actual anime cartoon. No, he's saying that what they showed everyone when it first landed was just an animation. No one actually saw it. When you talk Buzz Aldrin said it... This dude talks about moon rocks. Dude, they admit that 80% of moon rocks are found on the earth. That's a fried wood. Are you kidding me? They say that the moon rocks are found on the earth. So please tell me how that somehow... But we... What was the percentage of moon rocks? 80%. So 20% of those that are still rocks from the moon.  Since they're moon rocks, they're gonna be worth a lot.  That sounds like a great investment. How do you tell a doctor? We have something we can send you. But if we went to moon rocks, that means we went to the moon rocks. Bro, you can smoke in rock, bro.  Listen to me, guys. Please explain to me.  Can you answer my question? I've got a question. You can answer the curvature question. You can answer anything, bro. We can do fucking... We can do restart times all day. Go ahead. So electrostatics you're talking about first is the ground grid. I test ground grids. I built things like Faraday cages to protect substations from. Built a bird cage? Electromagnetic pulses and stuff like that. Wow. To protect from electromagnetic.   That's a strawman. That doesn't float. Do you know what strawman fallacies are? I do. So tell me what... Did I say a Faraday cage would make something float or is that just retarded? No, but it blocks electrostatics. No. Does it attain zero? No.  It reduces it. It reduces it. Oh, so it's still there. Okay. And so did you not know? You don't get lighter though. Let me teach you. Let me teach you something. No, he said it blocked it. Now you have to concede to his point. Why are you... Why are you caring about the strawman fallacy all of a sudden? No, this is what you guys do. No, no, no. Check it out. This is what you guys do. We literally ask you the meats and potatoes. We say give us curvature. Where can you see it? I did. You want to talk about dildos on the ground and aerostauts and these sticks on the ground?  Tell us where can you see curvature? Go ahead. Where? At what altitude? Aerostauts and these. You can do that. Test yourself if you want to. Where can we see curvature? You can see forward direction curvature with drone footage. It's easy to see. So you can just actually like climb up a ladder. Like go to the water and look for the ship. Accord it to Neil for grass. Go up a ladder. Accord it to Neil. He's talking about horizontal curvature. All right. I'm not talking about... No, I'm not losing because I'm not talking about horizontal curvature. I'm talking about forward curvature. Bro, according to Neil for grass, according to Neil for grass, when we get video footage from the space station, and we look down, like we can be looking at America. Stop, stop, stop. Everybody stop. I gotta go, bro. I've been waiting so long. Everybody stop. Everybody stop. Everybody stop. Everybody stop. From that footage. Okay. Hold on. All right. I'm going to be a little bit more assertive here just because it's going a little crazy. So, Jon, Von Zoom, you haven't talked in a little bit. I'm going to let you talk. Then I want Whitsitt gets it to respond to that. And then I'm going to go around and I'm going to keep on asking people to respond. Okay. So let's just stop with the whole, you know, fighting to get a chance to speak stuff. Okay. So, okay, Von Zoom, you make your point and then I'm going to let Whitsitt get to respond. Why not me? Why can't I go? Okay. Go ahead, Von Zoom.  No, I'm trying to be fair. I'm trying to make sure that everybody has a chance to talk. I'm going to have to. Okay. Go ahead, Von Zoom, make your point. My only, my only question is we have enough proof that we went to the moon and we know that the moon is spherical. Then we could see from the moon that the earth was spherical. Just simply doing that task in itself. And it's so well documented. The proof is there and it's always been there. It's not something to believe in. But my question about, but I'm, I'm asking you Whitsitt specifically because, um, I liked your model approach you did using, uh, talking about Einstein and stuff. I thought that was actually really cool because, uh, I'm not really well researched and, uh, Einstein's, uh, work.  I had, I didn't know all that. I didn't know that one. So I, my question for you though is, so when it comes to the moon is the sun and the moon, is it the same thing going across the earth and back and forth? Is it the same thing? What? The sun is the sun. The moon is the moon. They move over top of the earth. I could show in a lab a physical mechanism. I would do this. Let me answer.  Don't, don't stop him in middle of the sentence. Let him finish the whole. I don't care if he clarifies because his question was incoherent. So like, what's your question? I don't even know that. So like what, what I was trying to say before, before new rules were enforced. What I was saying, what I was saying though is like when we get footage from like an astronaut that's in the space station and then below them, you could see that it's clearly North America. And we can see the, you know, there's a curvature there because we can't see Japan or Asia on the other side or on the same side. So my question is, what's all that? What's that about? Okay. Look, here's the deal, man. I know you may not be aware of this, but we're not Superman. So we can't see forever. Okay. I don't know why you guys think you can see forever. You got to chill, man. So we can't see forever. That's goofy. You're not Superman, bro. You're not, you're not tough like that. You're not Superman. You're not have magical powers. And secondly, I don't believe the ISS. I don't believe people on the ISS do that nonsense. They've literally, they literally have millions of dollars in contracts with companies that specialize in virtual reality. What a coincidence that NASA spends millions of dollars for contracts for virtual reality and then make stuffed animals pop out of nowhere and admit that they do a live overlay of virtual reality. And with it, with it, don't forget the trajectory. That's a correlation causation thing, man. Bro, you can never just absorb truth. You always have to do that with it. Don't forget that. Why should I trust you? If it's true, why should I trust you? Here's the difference. Here's why you should trust me. Hold on, guys. Your position and hours is hours is not funded by the government.  And number two, with it, you forget the trajectory of all missiles that leave low Earth orbit. Mine is funded by Mercury. And they're launched from Florida into the Bermuda Triangle, 90% of missiles. Like, give me a break, bro. No missile has left low Earth orbit because of Operation Fishbowl Dominic. Dominic and Latin means of the Lord, the fishbowl of the Lord, the God's fishbowl. They shot rockets trying to crack the dome, Google these operations, Google Operation Deep Freeze.  Ozzie, please respond. I don't know what I was responding to there, if anything. But what, I'm not responding to that. But I do have a question. So you did bring up the Mickelson Morley experiment, which was good. I appreciate that. What's it? But, you know, that was to test the either. And it doesn't test either. And so Einstein, like theory of relativity, which I know you're very familiar with, it wasn't testing the motion of the Earth. It was testing the motion of the either. Anyways, but that's beside the point. So Einstein's theory of relativity is that motion is relative to your reference point. So he would say you can never prove your own motion. You can only see the motion of anything else in reference to you. So if you're on the moon, which we've been to the moon, by the way, as found out, and you're on the moon, you can see the motion of the Earth relative to the moon. So that's how you would see the motion of the Earth. And you can see it optically. So Einstein was wrong. You just can't do it from the Earth. Wow. So you pick and choose when Einstein's right and wrong. You know, we doesn't even understand Mickelson Morley.  It's super easy. So Mickelson Morley wasn't just about the ether. It was to measure the motion of the Earth through the ether. The title of the paper is literally the relative motion of Earth and the ether. That's the title of the paper. They actually got a predictive based on the 30 kilometer per second motion of the Earth around the sun. They didn't detect it. They changed all physics saying, oh, it's going to always appear as if the Earth is stationary and in the center. So the question in the thing was, this is the question. Can you answer this question point blank, please? Can we prove that the Earth revolves around the sun from the Earth? Yes or no? Yes. Yes. From the, what was the testing we can do? So we can see that the Earth is getting further and closer away from the sun by looking at the angular size of the sun depending on how far away the sun is from us. Okay. Let me get this straight. For thousands of years, star trails have never intersect.    I believe the Earth is moving. I believe it's rotating. I believe it's orbiting the sun. I believe the solar system is orbiting the Milky Way too. Every single experiment ever to prove the Earth is in motion has failed. Yep. And you know what's funny, dude? You said correlation and causation, and then you don't jump in when your teammate says we see the sun change angular size. No, no, no. I said correlation, causation.  You know what's funny? When we... No, you're right with that. Because that doesn't mean anything. There's a difference from us. When I interrupt, it's jam-packed, filled with content and truth. When you guys interrupt, you go, uh, uh, uh, vaccine. You're going to hit the right... I just want to point out the value to the stream. Width sits right in that region. And it could indicate that the sun is moving further or closer away to the Earth, where the Earth is moving further or closer away to the Earth. Okay, so do you have any... Can you actually directly measure or detect or prove that the Earth is revolving around the sun from the Earth, please? The angular size shows here that we can measure that the sun... The angular size of the sun? You're just going to say it again? The angular size of the sun? I'm sorry. You just said that could happen if the Earth, the sun, was moving. I'm sorry. I couldn't hear what I was going to say. Your argument is that we see the sun moving and that it gets smaller. That proves the sun's not moving and we're moving. Is that right? We're talking about, uh, relative motion, right? So... Oh, it depends on the ocean. In relation to the Earth, you guys don't even know your own religion, dude. Yeah, I know that. Sun's not moving in relationship to the Earth. He just said the sun's moving, dude. That's why he said so. Whatever. Well, it's moving in relation to the Milky Way, right? Not to the Earth. That's irrelevant. Not to the Earth. You're right. Okay, so you don't... So you can't prove that the Earth is moving around the sun? With that... No, yeah, we can. You're just saying that it would happen if the sun was moving away? We have, like, stuff on Mars. We can watch. Mars? Hold on, hold on. Hold on. So you believe in these...  It has to be computer-generated because it's sent digitally. Yeah. Let me get this straight. They all have... Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. That's my method of seeing it. Yes. Okay, thank you, Lenny. Lenny, just a sec. Now, let me get this straight. It has to be computer-generated. Also, you have to use flat Earth maps for airplanes. Digital photo. Digital photo. That's why... That's insanity, man.  On the PDF file. Like, bro, think about it.   It's disingenuous for you to act like they're real pictures. They're just transmitted digitally. No, they're admittedly like animated shots. Like, admittedly, they're... What we're doing now, what people are watching right now, is a digital transmission. This YouTube video is CGI. I just debunked it. That means you're fake. You're not even real. It's disingenuous to compare it to something like this, a real camera sending the actual final product digitally and then admitting that it's animated and touched up in a computer program with thousands of composites clang. Sometimes it's the same. Sometimes it's the raw footage. They tell you what they've done to the photo. They tell you. I'm gonna tell you guys, this is not a debate. This is a lecture you guys are learning right now. You started by trying to sound smart with this debate. In the beginning, you talked about air pressure and stuff.  The definition of a vacuum is literally no atmosphere. You have logical galaxies as your religion. Gravity doesn't work because of the surface where gravity is the strongest because it's closer to the center of mass. Gas goes in all directions in a vacuum. Where it's higher up above the earth, why would it not fill the vacuum? Because the pressure is lower as you go away from the earth. The pressure is lower. What is the vacuum? What's causing this? First of all, that's just an object falling relative to its medium and it's intrinsically electrostatic as its mass, weight and density. The buoyant force is actually based on little g which I told you is a kinematic equation and that's just the effect. I explain those to you.  I think in 2023, you dropping a pin is somehow going to shut Flat Earth down. You've got another thing coming my way behind. Hold on. Let me torpedo that. You can calculate gravity with kinetic energy. He said about dropping that object, right?  What? It literally defies gravity. I'm defying gravity. Hold on. Let me finish all the way. I'm defying gravity. You have to define it with density. You have to define it with density and buoyancy. You have to use our model.   It's not even a scientific model. I debunked your entire belief system. Whatever. No, you didn't. How do I shoot microwaves 250 miles when they should be blocked at 12 miles? Because you're just measuring the acceleration of gravity and you're calling it a fact. You're trying to use electrostatic to prove it is, but where's your independent variable to prove that you changed the electrostatic to produce a direct change in the gravitational force that you're measuring, the velocity, the speed of things following. Let me answer this. So I use a van de Graaff generator, which has a little belt on it. It creates a friction and electrostatic charge, and it makes objects flow. It'll change their weight, make them go up electrostatic, dependent variable objects going up or down. I manipulated it, showed the cause and effect. Now you do the same thing for gravity. Go. I understand the test you're doing. You're creating an electric field underneath the device which causes it to hover underneath the device. Wrong. You don't even know how it works. It flips the polarity of the pill based on the two Gaussian services. The fields polarity flips, and then electrostatic transference and induction to the object makes it goes up relative to the polarity of the field. Any object? Bailings, hair, styrofoam, rubber, all kinds of insulators. Everything that's insulators? So things... Lead? Well, an important part of the lead to have more than my van de Graaff, which is only about 250,000 volts. You can make anything flow with enough electrostatic. In fact, you don't know that. Maybe you should go read MIT. How many volts are you using? 250,000 volts. What's the full speed to the Earth? Notice how I asked you to show me the same thing Gravity and you avoided it. No, what's the voltage of you're getting dominated? It's bad What's the voltage of the earth? It doesn't matter. You said I couldn't show a cause-and-effect relationship. No, I understand the relationship. You just got dunked on So can you like why can't you shield against electrostatics and see that things? Because the object still has mass and weight and density. So what gives what holds the matter together? It's not just it's not just electrostatic mass matters a mass charge equivalents And this is going to be way over your head There's a mass charge equivalents because everything Elementary charge so mass and charge there's an equivalence within that with the energy Disney and electromagnetic vacuum But what I want you to answer me is how what holds the matter together? What holds the matter together? Yeah Van zoom was just talking about it. Go ahead and zoom The weak force of electromagnetism the fundamental forces of nature is what hold things together on the on the atomic level That's not what holds And keep it real. That's as far as my knowledge goes with it. So clearly. Yeah So actually there's something called the electro weak force the weak force is intrinsically electromagnetic as well I was just naming a few if there's more enlightening. No, there's not more and you know Hey, buddy, buddy. What's math is mass the amount of matter? Yes Okay, so if we're going to talk about mass We need to know what holds the matter together so we can have an amount of it, huh? Okay, so what holds We're so wrong. What what is holding things together then? Okay, they're called all gravity All no wrong all intermolecular molecular attractive forces are electrostatic in nature And it's 10 to the 36 power stronger than gravity is claimed to be But with said in this electromagnetic universe, aren't there stars that are burning balls of gas in a vacuum? That's It's nuclear fission.  You don't know what that is I don't know. I don't I'm not a physicist. Exactly. So stop saying stuff. You don't know What holds the matter together there's electrostatic. Yes, I I don't have to understand the process on how And I get it. Yeah, most people don't understand I accept the testimonials of people that are I mean this from the bottom of my heart. You two have so much faith in your globe religion You're willing to get humiliated this bad online Which one of you brought up aerosolcenies and they always knew it's a globe No, they didn't every ancient cosmology said it was flat if you look at for let's say You guys say atlas was holding up the earth going wikipedia. It literally says he's holding up an or Goonies vaccinated monster needs to chill bro. Okay, but I like your mohawk and 2001 was a great year Okay, you said like oh an ancient times that there was a bloke, right? Okay, don't you giving me calling by an energy. You're scaring me bro. Let me talk Thank you He said earlier about the aerosolcenies and in ancient times they believed in a globe. No, they didn't go Just google atlas. You know atlas holding up the earth It literally says he's holding up a celestial sphere on the western edge of gaia Western edge of the flat earth Every ancient cosmology is a flat earth don't ever start the debate lying and saying oh, they always started to glow You guys are just liars You don't even know how they supposedly discovered it like who first said the earth was a sphere. Do you know? Pythagoras No, what? nope It was the first that suggests who was it Aristotle Pythagoras Aristotle was the first one to then it was Aristotle It was Aristotle. Why why did uh, why did Aristotle say the earth was a ball? Because Pythagoras said it first No, that's not true. He he only poetically insinuated it You don't know your own belief Aristotle said that boats go over the curve And that when things go up and down relative to the horizon as I go north and south It proves you're a ball which is really stupid and this is just believing the grabbler mainstream masonic history Anyway, this is just like made-up history, but if we pretend it's real you're really It's not that we have the stuff written by them or anything by themselves or what's the original copy I don't know. Why do you say stuff? You don't know. Why do you make stuff up? I don't know you haven't been up in a plane and saw this map or earth that you're describing exists I physically Just like I haven't been up to Bro, you've never been on an airplane You're telling me you've never been on an airplane that flies at 30 000 feet in altitude No, we need to go higher. I need to see, you know, well, how high because according to new North america side by side How high do you want to go because according to Neil deGrasse? The red bull jump was over 100 He's asking how high you think it was According to Neil deGrasse Tyson, you got to go even higher than that And you guys use the fisheye lens for the red bull jump. You should be ashamed of yourselves Yeah Talk about a straw man. Where did I present the evidence? Oh, but we went to the mood a second ago remember so That's my claim. How high do we have to go to see the curvature of the earth? Pick an altitude science man I mean you gotta tell me the sense the curvature is fake. So no no pick an altitude. Oh, how high do you have to go? Yeah, I can see the curvature The map or earth that you're describing. So why can't you guys answer that? And according to Picard, it was like a hundred thousand feet. You could see an upturned edge, right?  You can't pick an altitude so you've never seen a map or earth from the top Oh, so ISS Holy shit, dude Do you mean the ones that talk about the chroma key green screens and harnesses? But but you've never been up high enough to see the map or that you're describing Yeah, how high enough to have to go to an entry bro. I don't want to go up that high I don't want to hit the green screen bro. You guys use green screens on the ISS. It's pathetic Dude, we're standing up another balloon in a couple weeks. I'm sorry. I thought you meant like that We're in a simulation thousands of miles away in high altitude. I have to answer pre zirka. You can measure the curvature of the horizon at slightly below 35,000 feet according to Are you seriously locking in 30,000? It is 35,000 feet 35,000 You know what the red bull jump is you know what the red bull jump is you can't visually see the curvature Why why what's wrong with guys? How do you even imagine it if you can't visually see it? There's billions of people who see it from an airplane cool You know, you know the average IQ is very low and the average person thinks it's a quote There's billions of people billions of people on earth that swear they've seen it on an airplane. Are you saying US average IQ is 98. What's the point? But how's that relevant? The average person believes it's a globe. Are you telling me billions of people who saw the curvature on an airplane?  Hold on with it Let's go look at the federal reserve and the treasury the people who literally print money out of thin air Grand wizards like albert pike or any high level 33 degree ranking freemason in all of their literature that they In all their literature, they post that it's literally flat How's that every piece of in every thing about freemasons?  They're freemasons Yeah, so I know freemasons. Who cares? I don't know You only know homosexuals. You don't know you only know homosexuals. You don't know billionaire freemasons who are shakers and movers All right. Can we all get back to the conversation about the flat in the globe? Let's steer it back towards that God is great. Let's go Watch this. This is what they're not gonna answer in my presentation. I showed you okay, so if I send out a micro Oh, I will answer that He's being polite interrupt me don't interrupt him if I send the microwave out horizontally Okay, and I'm like a hundred feet up then it should get blocked at 12 miles. How can I send it over 200? Um, that wasn't at microwave frequencies. Yes, it was No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. What was the frequency range? Uh, it's uh, just above vhf Of the device you're talking about what's the Frequency for microwave is just yes. So your answer is just no answer. Wait. Are you saying that if they can do that? It debunks the globe Oh, okay. It doesn't work on the globe then This is is 300 megahertz to 300 gigahertz. Is that what it is? It's like 30 to 300 But wait wait listen if they sent the microwave out Are you saying it debunks the globe? No, because there's other explanations for it Like they have different out both of the towers are at an altitude So you have to account for the altitude of both towers for the microwave signal I use microwaves in the work I do So the typical range of a microwave Of tower is about 40 feet You're seeing both antennas aren't at an altitude The last time you used the microwave was for a pizza pop. I don't believe you bro. You don't know what you're talking about Dude, I just I just showed you I gave you all the way up to 100. I gave you all the way up to 100 and 300 feet Even though they're normally not that high they maxed out at 100 And it should be blocked by the curvature here at that 12 and 21 miles from 100 and 300 feet If it can go 250 miles horizontally where the earth's curve should block it Does that debunk the globe? If you say no, you have to tell me how it works Can you tell me which one specifically was the one you're talking about is the one across the red sea during world war? No, no, it's it's this is a whole bunch of declassified documents. So this is what we're going to do Can you which one it doesn't matter? Are you are you saying that if it does exist? Then it debunks the globe No, I'd have to see what what the altitude of both antennas were I just told you you're correct If they were both at 100 feet, I'd have to know why Everybody one thing that would debunk the globe. It traveled 200 miles So if we if I can shoot microwaves 200 miles from 100 feet up, then it debunks the globe It depends on the altitude the other antenna. How dude, it still has to get to the other antenna through the curve If you can take picture and from your house if the curve doesn't exist for science Believe It just doesn't exist. Yeah, but anytime that money's involved or people's lives are involved like Take a picture from your house of japan since the earth Let him let him let him say that again. What did you say? I would believe What did you say give me that superman I said take a picture from your house of japan since the earth is flat You actually think you're making a good point.   It's so cringe But if I went All right, thank you for that If I went I got a weather balloon and a camera and I literally do the test at 120 000 feet in altitude You would still go back to your retard religion. What is the point?   I don't understand it. Don't know it, but people know it You're in a religion you don't understand it you both showed that you don't even know what relativity is You don't know what michelson morally is you don't know what you believe you don't understand How the microwave you're wrong about the microwave too with it, but you won't let me finish No, i'm not do you do you want to bet on it? bro No, what's it? um, uh i'm gonna drag it on for two hours i'm gonna give you a non-answer Yeah, see and like i'm just trying to make a point to you bro Like do you agree that if you don't truly know what you believe Then it's just like a blind belief like takes blind faith like a religion You understand the distance of the rising is 12 miles at 100 feet But that's to the horizon that's zero foot altitude the other intent is at 100 feet also Which means it can see further, right?   You can call it a religion. That's irrelevant We have a normal definition of origin if you want to call it faith. I don't care. It doesn't insult me either Okay, Oslin, thank you for showing you're a tough man But you're supposed to call us bitches and horse so the viewer count goes up You're supposed to get angry and number two if all Okay No, you guys are not the right to be wrong No, no, you guys are actually taking the lawsuit.  I don't want to say it out loud.  Are you magical or something? Yes, so if all of us were in a helicopter, right? Oh, okay If we're all of us we're in a helicopter right now It's cute like we gotta see belts on a ship and let's say we're floating there for 10 hours Would we land you're not coming back probably I don't know would we land And let's say we're floating in one spot for 10 hours and then we drop back down Would we land on a different country since the earth is spinning? No Why why is it Coriolis? Is it Coriolis? The atmosphere you're moving with the atmosphere. You're already out.  You're about to you're already Dude, you're about to get cooked You're about to get cooked, but you guys still haven't been high enough to see Hey, does the earth's atmosphere move with the earth? Yes or no? Um, the overall atmosphere overall moves with the earth. Does it move in lockstep with the earth or is it separate? No It's So the atmosphere is also rolling, how do planes get anywhere? Do you understand they'd have to account for Coriolis if the earth was spinning separately than the atmosphere They have to account for Coriolis if the earth was spinning separately from it It's not spinning separately from the atmosphere. You just said it was so what you're saying it moves in perfect lockstep No, it doesn't work in perfect lockstep. So then it says it's moving separately then is it's moving on its own It's not the overall atmosphere is moving in lockstep But you have parts of the atmosphere. Also, they're moving in different directions. You're so wrong, dude But the overall atmosphere is moving to that speed You have some parts of the atmosphere that's slowing down and it looks like it's going In the opposite direction, but it's all traveling in the same direction. Do you agree the higher up in the atmosphere you go You said the same speed do you agree the higher up you go in the atmosphere that means it have to go a greater speed because that would be a greater radius So therefore be a greater distance traveled in the same amount of time. Yes Yeah, okay, so what gives it the energy needed to increase speed proportionate to altitude in your atmosphere pressure It's right. Why why why why?  I'm sorry as then go go. I was and don't be afraid go Where you're asking worried they get the energy for the atmosphere to move at the higher altitudes, right? Yeah, so you got layers of friction with the atmosphere that's moving the whole atmosphere with the earth What wait with the layers be consistent? No Different right overall it moves of relatively the same speed as your though Did you just say? Angler rotation angler rotation Right. Yeah, so so when drags across air drags across air, right? You got the ground is moving this drag in the atmosphere with right What do you think let him finish it don't interrupt That's it. I don't know what you're asking this very simple The law of conservation of energy says energy cannot be created or destroyed it can only be transferred energy's been created there buddy chill out It can't be it can't be created. Do you're saying? Oh calm down calm down love it love conservation energy So if I go higher then that means atmosphere has to travel a greater distance in the same amount of time It's all moving with the earth which means it has to be going faster in order to go faster a greater speed It needs more energy or it would violate the law of conservation energy and momentum which are like tenets of physics So you are just talking about science earlier, right? So see if you understand science what you love science You loved Einstein earlier. Now you hate him See You have the rotation the earth The that's causing it to move so you have the energy. How is it causing it to move? centrifugal force centrifugal force is causing the atmosphere to move Something spins hard enough On what is centrifugal force? No never mind. I'm thinking the gravity Gravity's holding the atmosphere to the earth. So you got that force of gravity is contributing. Okay, so if gravity It's actually not gravity You call the electrostatics I call it gravity No, you know your model your religion says it's the bending and warping of space time Which causes a gravity well and that that's the gravity is the effect of that Okay, and that would still show you that as you go higher and higher you're getting further away from the center of mass and your Radius therefore it's gonna be dragged behind due to fluid mechanics like a blender The outside of the blender moves behind the center of the blender the further you go out It's fluid eventually it catches up. So the outer edge Yes, and when you when you take a blender, right you turn the blender on The inside moves at the speed of the blender quicker than the outside of the edge Eventually catches up over a period of time why with the rotation the inside because of your transferring Forests from the center to the outside through okay, so now now you're invoking a solid container around the globe No, you got gravity it holds it they hold Solid container you can call it it's not your model claims that tons of gas goes off into the vacuum Anyway, yes, we lose gas when you pick up we collect gas as we we go through the solar system We you know Like let's say let's simplify it I get a sprite and I open the bottle and it goes because it's a pressurized system and it has a cap a dome Affirmament at what point in altitude do you just go up up up and magically pop into space like Wait at what point you magically pop out into space because when we use a GPS, let's say Google Earth, right? You know, I know just hang in there man. Where's that coming from? Nothing you can say can stop the humans coming just relax now Look at this Google Earth was filmed all the pictures were done by the Google plane and not satellites And if you go out far enough in Google Earth when you leave When you leave low Earth orbit on Google Earth it turns computer generated It's not a photo anymore because they don't leave low Earth orbit You understand I can't Google Earth is your evidence.  Thank you. Yeah, well, it's been pretty thoroughly exposed By the way, just so you know, I was so mark read I'm sure that's like your little buddy. You're Nicole you guys and I find out there's weird But anyway, he says we have an after show together. That's very cute Maybe you guys should work out your religion in the after show because he says My god, he doesn't even agree He says the fact there's no solid container means that there is no friction to stop the atmosphere rotating So he's saying the exact opposite of what you're saying, which is what the ballers do They just all in in the bowl when he's correct like in the bowl itself You have the friction of the outer edge of the bowl that's slowing it down from Accelerating as quick as it would You Here's my question. Let's make it a little more interesting, right?  Come on Can you see a topic? I don't think you can John What let's go ahead and move into the Q&A. I don't think you can take stay on topic John I love you, but I want to know like why do you guys man? What makes what makes you guys cling on to that globalist model like why?  We all agreed earlier. You know you Did you not agree that their composites some are and they tell you when they are Make sure I got this right the reason you believe the Earth's a globe is because the government's gave you Yeah, what if the government gives you a photo of like big foot? Wow, the government 9-11 It's not the only part of the government that doesn't lie, huh?  Come on. Let's go. All right. So we got questions Go on the timer. I know that what's it has to get out of here at nine o'clock. So yeah, because a little over Ended up canceling, but yeah By the way, I want to make one thing clear. I love Star Wars.  We've seen both like we know your model better than you guys I'm an order You don't have to let go of Star Wars. I love Star Wars. I love or danger tonight from the universe life church This feels like mace Windu and Yoda just killing young. All right You too. Come on. So beams. He has a question that was not answered in the last debate And I believe they're both for what's it? So what's it? Oh? James wanted me to make sure I asked these questions the first The first one was how does the flat Earth stance deal with the radar for Horizontal problem as it fits perfect with a cobalt model Yeah, so the radio horizon So it's funny because the radio horizon is an estimate of how far the radio can go and it's actually further than the Geometric horizon, which is the curved Earth assumption, right? It goes further than that and it's well known that the radio goes way beyond the radio horizon consistently so Actually, it only works with the flat Earth where the radio waves are going out ground wave propagation Mind you so they can't bounce off the atmosphere way past the radio horizon. So that question backfired. What else? Okay, I don't know what you guys know everybody that we have a lot of questions that are coming in I don't even know exactly how many there are right now But if they're we're gonna go until we can't anymore. So I might be sure we have 15 minute Q&A We might be able to get through all another question from beam see from last time they asked What's it you claim that everything is electromagnetic of the three broad categories? What one does gravity fall into visible infrared or ultraviolet? Wait, well, what was the beginning of the question is it somehow like what I missed it You you claim that everything is electromagnetic of the three broad categories Which one does gravity fall into visible infrared or ultraviolet gravity is just what we call gravity is just downward acceleration Which is a non point specific effect of electromagnetic is specifically electrostatic So like it that does that's an incoherent question if you actually understand what I'm saying Although in your paradigm, it's becoming electromagnetic anyway, but anyway, yeah So it's just the effect that things fall down. It's an effect based on weight mass all electrostatic. So It's not a left romanticism itself. It's the effect Sounds good now for the questions from tonight from Blake 1991 for 550 Canadian for Ozzy it I don't want to call you dumb 2,000 years ago is Glober's best proof in a hit piece movie. It is really sad Thank you, I appreciate the compliment We proved the globe and flat earth is this right especially John Hmm You two are definitely leaving this debate confident that you want that's what's crazy.   Next question from logical red for $5. I think maybe not sure earth is a sphere quote-unquote Albert Einstein That's their comment Yeah, this is like one of the most retarded arguments ever It's like I have to teach the people that believe in the globe what they're supposed to believe because they don't understand it So then I bring up Einstein to explain it and have to teach them Yeah, because they don't know what they believe and then they turn around and say Einstein thought the earth was a sphere Yeah, I think I saw his entire story in theory is retarded.  But the claim that the you couldn't detect the motion the earth with Is due to his theory of relativity so to His claim you have to accept what he was talking about which is a theory of relativity No, I'm showing you that within your own paradigm Which currently has to have the theory of relativity It says you cannot actually detect or measure or prove the earth is moving around the Sun I have to teach you what you believe. I don't believe in it Understand relative motion and I This is stupid, how do you guys not understand that if I have to correct you for your belief No, you know why this is tiring. It's tiring or nothing. It's a claim. He's making Here's why this is exhausting with cities explaining it through your model before he does it through his Yes, he's literally doing your homework for you.  You're not seeing it. I appreciate that. Nice. I appreciate it. Thank you Okay, next question comes in from who's rich pernell for $4.99. They say for either side What do you think you should represent your side? I'm sorry. Why do you think you should represent your side of the argument? I Was asked to and I agreed to it So, thank you James for asking and Kaz for hosting and wits it and zirka and von zoom for being here I'm uh, I'm doing it because I care about truth and I don't like I don't like a mass delusion being you know spread to the masses Project that's what religions for so Another one too. It's like you just threw up your project so much All right Next question comes in from Tim Pryor for five dollars They say and the word salad has begun stop quoting people that you don't that don't agree with you What Einstein said has been explained to you Flirt reset think about how like ignorant and remedial what he just said is he's like Word salad, which is the like incoherent rambling that makes no sense typically attributed to schizophrenia They don't even know what it means and then he talks about the quote The quote I read is from Einstein So you're saying that it's word salad, of course, they can never articulate anything I said it's word So it's just a weirdo talking point from like grown men that hate flat earth because they hate truth And they just want attention online or whatever but long story short to clarify this again I'm I'm having to correct these guys and what they believe because they don't know just like fine zoom admitted immediately Thanks for teaching me about relativity what in like 20 seconds. You don't even know the basics Oh, oh, Zion or have whatever you don't know Relativity was the other things you were talking you don't know About it. So the point is that I have to go What I have to go teach you guys what you believe Before we can even have the discussion because you guys misrepresent the model that you're literally a straw man argument You should debate the argument that we're presenting to beat against argument. Oh, you present your own argument So you're making up your own brand new model and you're not defending the global model arguments at all Defending the reason why I believe the earth is a growth globe It's my argument when you bring up things that Einstein says and and other people say like that's not my argument That should be your evidence to to support your claim not a and you could use it to refute my claim That's why it's my claim.  That's all that I didn't I didn't first of all Don't try to use fallacies don't understand. Okay appeal to authority is if I say because this dude said it makes it true The truth is if you think there's a globe that's tilted wobbling spinning Revolving around the Sun in a vacuum. You have to believe relativity Mass attracting mass doesn't work Newtonian doesn't work There's nothing else that can explain what we saw like in Mikkelson Morley for example Except for relativity which means if you're claiming to believe in the mainstream model that everyone was brainwashed with when they were Like five you have to defend relativity. I'm teaching you your belief showing you why it's wrong and how you don't know All right, what's it what's it? Let me let me make the your point a lot quicker boys How far is the Sun from the earth? 93 million miles approximately how far is the moon? What about the what about the moon? Is it 230,000 miles approximately? Yeah, Vaughn. Did you know that too? Yeah Okay, cuz a lot of globalists don't know Being man, I was wrong You think slow Yeah, when you guys talk Winston and I like we we already know what you're gonna say we know all your arguments No, we just want to make sure you understand the truth that we're telling you is all we just want to make sure Bro, you say my opening argument was slow. I thought it was I was thought it was rapid fire in my opening Broken nose books for 220 Canadian they say what causes horizon I sight or earth curve That's great Good luck with this one this one. You're wrong both ways. Watch out The rise is an optical effect So wait, how do we know we're having the same optical effect, what if what if I'm seeing it How do boats not fall off the earth then brah How do boats not fall off the earth, what's the boat? Yeah, okay? All right. All right. Hold on. Just hold on Hold on fun. I swall Vaughn Vaughn. It's not I swall it's It's not an ice wall Vaughn.  It's not an ice wall It's the outlet highest shoreline on earth Antarctica the one that you see on an as a monthful equidistant map the same map that airplane views for Autopilot now the waters are held in by this highest shoreline There's an Antarctic treaty the only treaty that these nations who war with each other have agreed Nobody can go to Antarctica. It's the most militarized zone. You can't fly over it. You can't fly You can take a flight to Antarctica. You can take a ship to Antarctica According according to Admiral Bird the first person to discover and explore it. He said it's very rich in Resources and minerals and soil and that there's more land past this ice That the land the sides of the US.   They say flat earthers And I hope that What's it gets back soon? Why does a non-stop flight from Auckland, New Zealand to Santiago Santiago, Chile? Yes, it exists take the same amount of time as New York City to Tel Aviv Is that for a flat earth or that's for the flat earth? Yes. Yeah, can you repeat on? Sure. Why does a non-stop flight from Auckland, New Zealand to Santiago, Chile? Take the same amount of time as a New York City to Tel Aviv flight I remember this one, but I forgot but with said definitely has it It doesn't mean if I don't answer it. No, no, I know this question It's asked a million times and it's already been answered by so many fathers But I forget it doesn't mean it's a globe because I forgot the answer with it will destroy I summon with it with it. It's the Auckland flights question He is right there. It looks like you can maybe with it. It's the Auckland flight questions. You remember the Auckland one Yeah Whenever you fly in one direction the other direction that can change up to three to four hours And then they catch jet streams and all they do is measure their airspeed based on the static air pressure around the plane And they've been clock going over 800 miles per hour So they catch jet streams go super far and distances in the south can't even be verified So there's what the answer is just jet streams. That's it. Yeah Yeah, like it catches jet streams and goes super fast and it's not the right distance the southern distances are not correct Actually something I wonder Doesn't exist nice straw man No, I was just asking Don't exist bro and chili gives you diarrhea Yo, so my question is for the globe that's spinning with the airplane flying Go faster if it was going with the curve of the earth No Why? This is carrying the momentum of the earth in the atmosphere. It's flying through but you said it was moving separate Yeah, well all the baby dumb globes. We've done this a million times. Oh my god. I've heard you're disarguing me before it's like What's it I don't want to embarrass him further, but what is it?  I mean you can do that put die in there. Oh my god around Okay, thank you for that with you guys by the way, you guys are giving political answers. You know that I Can give political answers you have to give political you don't we've answered everything directly like we're cutting through butter with you guys You guys are answering everything in a circular logic political way because you know you guys are losing Let me let me ask the question and with it will pretend to be you to make you guys look better We're going to change teams real quick and we go to the next question Airplane question and it's going towards the curve Towards the rotation would it be a nine hour off like would there be a huge Hours off the flight.  Wow. Okay. Thank you for that, Oslin Okay, so from Tim Pryor for $20 they say so what's it is quoting people who didn't think that this is flat Yeah, bro, that's not invented by flat earthers in science terminology not from flat earthers avoiding flat earth evidence like always Excuse me the richest billionaires on earth all right in the Freemasonic literature, but it's flat Stupid it's such a stupid idea, right?  It's also fun. You said something about all religion is just as well.  Tesla you mean Nikolai Tesla? He said he broke the speed of light so you like Tesla you believe I don't like I don't believe everything Tesla said Yeah, there you go, so that I'm agree with it Hold on when Tesla talked about cosmic energy coming from zodiac Alignments meaning star power solar power, but from stars.  I'm supporting I'm supporting with it John he's making my point that even though he likes Tesla Tesla thought that the speed of light was bunking that there was an Ether and he doesn't agree with those things because his religion doesn't allow Yeah, you don't have to believe everything someone else says stupid. What's an ether? An electromagnetic background medium. It's a background medium that says substance of quality that sustains the electromagnetic energy Yes, and the ether also holds the mental plane where you're losing this debate It does that's correct Well, let me let me get you. I'm assuming a dualist Let me get you this is off topic by the way, let's go back to the flat earth Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Vaughn earlier like it was like 40 minutes ago said something about Religions made to control people and blah blah blah, which is kind of funny to me because Albert Pike 33 degree Freemason. Here's his quote. We shall unleash nihilists and We carried the stream, bro, you guys Have to be May I read a quote Okay, you don't go ahead real quick Albert Pike said we shall unleash the nihilists and atheists and we shall provoke a formidable Social cataclysm in which it's all of its horrors will show clearly to the nations people of different nationalities the effects of absolute atheism Origin of savagery of the most bloody turmoil. So these rulers who rule you in their books They also write that atheists are retards, which is funny. They're Luciferians, but they they do believe in God Well, they write they write that they're you're getting used that you the retard class you guys are good one, shall we? Okay West flat earth for $5. They say globers. Are you capable of intellectual honesty? If so, how can you keep pretending? There's nothing wrong with the heliocentric model There's problems with the theory relative. Well, it may be problems with theory relativity like we don't have any answer for quantum gravity How many genders are there? What do you guys think there's eight billion people?  Look at you. Get men get pregnant And then get pregnant people identify that man Is it true that flat earthers don't backs their kids? No, we don't is it true that we don't we don't like make we don't Is it true that you guys stop talking about the back people like you brought polio back Bro, the bro the Atlantis have that debate later We have been to space and wait wait wait cnn that's why Guardian the Atlantic they all had an amnesty and apologized for the you stay on topic John He's the one that brought up the jab You brought it up. Yeah, okay. Yes, please JPP 3030 for $5. They say is it too early to nominate Zerka for top left? 2024 good one off leftist. Yeah, let's do it Okay from Tim prior left this or mentally ill So you're the top flat earthers, okay from two part five dollars. I say seriously Why do flat earthers bring up NASA all the time? We don't they know You do know that there's a bunch of other space agencies, right really like SpaceX dude I encourage everyone in the audience that heard that go look at like the other space agencies go look at Japanese footage Please tell me you believe that's a real Look at the moon landing in it with the Japanese put it SpaceX's government subcontracted by NASA.   By the way, I promise you This is the most ruthless one-sided debate that's ever happened in internet history. We answered each of your You know what's you know what's that you know what's that why we answered your questions from three different angles You guys haven't reached up.  They say seriously no areas from Tim prior for $20. They say so damn Okay, I got that one too from Dan the water man for $2. They say flat earthers make me think So you got a fan out there guys From Cornelius G is a new member of the extra juicy club So thank you so much Cornelius and then from Cowabunga Joe for 10 pounds They say question to all if the North Hemisphere is 3 million miles closer to the Sun during winter time Do you know of an actual experiment where a heat source brought 3 to 4% closer to a ball gets colder because of Also the angle I don't know what has to be a globe What did what the question is this again if the northern hemisphere is 3 million miles closer to the Sun during winter time Do you know of an actual experiment where a heat source brought 3 to 4% closer to a ball gets closer? It's I'm sorry colder because of tilt. That's a question for the ballers Yeah, it's because it's tilted away. So it has work atmosphere to go through It's also heating up the atmosphere. You also have more sunlight or less sunlight in the winter than you do For during the summer, so less overall heat during the day. It's like why do you have less light if the sun is closer?  Like the Sun is always like The earth is always facing the summit any time during the day So just say the most they say the most basic like five-year-old answers like if you're claiming it's tilted Then that means you have to claim it wobbles. So how did you measure the wobble? I didn't do the testing or the measure you believe in a wobble It has to do with how we look at the stars and we see the angular change in the row You believe wobbling bro I'm here drunk or something. I'm not like it's drunk. No, that's not a g is that a false analogy fallacy You just believe in stuff. I got you false analogy weird A lot of stuff with it. I believe in I believe in something. I know I accept the claim is true That's all anything but God and morals. Hey No, I'm an objective. I believe in moral realism with it Okay, you know where I get confused is like in our kind of like yin and yang model and eclipse would make perfect sense If the moon and Sun are relatively the same size, but in your model the Sun is 93 million miles away and perfectly eclipses with the moon Yeah, what's up with that? You buy into that And we see I can observe it You think wait you think it's just a coincidence that it's 400 times further away than the moon and Exactly 400 times bigger so they will be locks bro. That's the Goldilocks zone, right? You believe God placed the Sun in the moon in those locations to get that effect So you think you think God did it and explained unless God did it so you believe space exists and Suns exist and the moon exists Okay, you say weird stuff. I want to ask you guys a question All right, you guys think that NASA is the only part on seems to believe that God put it there Do you do you guys think that NASA is the only part of the government that doesn't lie That's brilliant. I like I'm stealing though. No people lie Always intentionally lie those some people about that, you know That claims unintentionally, but I wouldn't call that being a dishonest actor I would just call that a what about that government agent that you know was molesting children on that island that Epstein guy He knew a bunch of astronauts at NASA like, you know, they're in bed dead guy now good. Okay. Oh, let's go to the next question guys from $5 they say I've seen DJs put people on the radio without picking up a phone even though the people were calling from a phone magic What wow good one 97% of earth Wi-Fi is done through triangulation Grid systems and weather balloons and underground see talking about GPS satellites Google satellites in 90% CGI computer-generated image not talking about Wi-Fi.  No, he didn't know what it was Mikkelson Morley Morley debunked the movement wait wait wait you don't have to the ether I don't actually have there's no ether You don't actually have to know who he is Because just like when the astronauts went through the van Allen radiation belts They were apparently safe because they didn't know they existed You can watch that to debate tomorrow. I have that really reputed and explain. Yeah Oh, you're gonna debunk the van Allen radiation belts. No, I'm gonna explain how we went through Oh Wait, how do you explain that there's electromagnetic energy in a vacuum and that it has free space impedance? It's a wave What's a wave? Electromagnetic energy. Oh, why is it in a vacuum? It takes waves travel through vacuums. Why is there impedance in the vacuum? Why is there impedance and oh why you seen there's a voltage differential in the vacuum due to the Charge of the particles that because there's protons and electrons. Where does the energy come from outside the vacuum? cosmic waves come in and sweep in electrons and protons and Renos and stuff to get collected in the van Allen belts. Okay, you know You know the Hig boson field and that everything that's called an electron folks and all that stuff comes from the background excitations So they're either that's why Your law, you know Disable to bosons and what's the other particle? Yes, I agree that yo Did you know I don't like to bring religion because I don't think why don't there's need to talk about religion to win debate But the building blocks of life ATOM Adams They actually come from Adam like Adam and Eve like crazy. I don't believe the building blocks of life We'll be From Tim Pryor for five dollars I say our flat earthers ever gonna hold themselves the same standard of evidence they want from us No, it's good. Looks like good enough for me.  We want actual verifiable empirical evidence that the earth is curving like give me physical measurement of curvature That's empirical and doesn't just hijack perspective and we do that We do that for everything on the earth to build engineering all engineering projects bridges railways everything dude We we assume the earth's flat to fly planes we assume the earth's flat station area We send mirror flashes direct line of sight across bodies of water long distance infrared images radio waves microwave Everything we do is empirical testable and debunks the globe the globe is just a bunch of what if this was real trust me I promise it's an illusion that it's flat. So that's pretty ironic, you know, I know it's I've done those I presented my evidence for my test in other debates. So I just didn't chose not to do it in this one That's kind of for it's bosons and fermions by the way I don't I don't retread the same arguments over and over again, but I just presented a new one I've never presented before and I appreciated it and you just ran away from it I didn't run away from you know how I know the earth is flat is a five-year full-time bouncer Retard like me is destroying you guys Like the truth the truth defends itself, dude, dude, if you have to claim you've won you've already lost I actually think you won the chat if Winston and circle on this. I believe I've won because I participated Wow, wow, do your participation trophy? I got it It's right here. It's called Aqua peanut trophy. You got to get your stuff together breath. Come on. All right Okay, let's go to the next question from Tim prior once again for $5 and say formula for buoyancy as has gravity in it Not very bright. Okay little it has little G in it If you were bright you would have paid attention to the presentation and not tight-spit money to say that out loud in front Of everyone and they can see the presentation, which is little G is just downward acceleration You can solve for that using a kinematic equation that has nothing to do with gravity just because it's called gravity little G Doesn't mean anything. That's the effect Okay, you're claiming gravity is the cause of the reason things fall down So the fact that we can measure things falling down doesn't prove anything you need to prove provide evidence for the cause Buoyancy factors in downward acceleration, which is intrinsically electrostatic. Thanks for playing She's right from Tim prior once again for $5. I say name one piece of technology You're using invented by a flat earth or the wheel who's embarrassed the wheel. Oh, there's a cycle airplane airplane The way that we predict that yeah, it's funny is it's literally called air plane like emotionless plane The literally the way we mapped out all the eclipses with the Cerro cycle Everything like you're not wait can name where light like loops around magically is that the one you're talking about good one No, you know, hey, hey, what can you name one thing that was required that required the globe spinning model to actually invent You guys are drowning dude Just name one spinning comes in from Justin for ten dollars They say this has to be the worst panel I've ever seen on both sides.   I Appreciate Justin. I'm an eight-year-old Oh my god All right from Tim prior for $5. I say rule number one of the Flat Earth Club always bring up the globe and never the flat earth What I just I literally mentioned how we shoot Waves I literally started the debate wasn't as a month of equidistant math We literally talked about how the earth is measurably a plane and that there's empirical evidence that the earth's a plane Everything has to treat the earth like a stationary plane That's called positive evidence for the earth being a plane You know we started this debate with them conceding to the fact that airplanes military everyone uses flat earth maps Use them as an approximation. Yeah, because it's like the lay them out flat So so why are they changing their displays or flat like in their cockpits? But why are they changing the size of corn? So they have to but they're local maps for the region They're in they're not global maps. They have to okay. Can you explain? I'm actually curious right because I believe I know it's a flat earth instrument Where's the south pole on a compass? Where's the south this a compass doesn't point towards the south pole. You guys explain it that the poles are changing, right? Um, I didn't make that argument, but there are there are um, are they? Hypotheses at the pole that the magnetic north will change would you would you agree? So you're telling me you can't find south if I handed you a compass Yeah, I go the opposite direction the compass is facing and it goes exactly I go magnetic south Yes, so you agree it only points to magnetic north just like flat earthers Uh, yes, I agree. Hey, do you have to hold the compass horizontal to use it? Yeah horizontal which means level with the horizontal doesn't mean level with a curve horizontal means horizontal All right guys, we um, wait, wait one last question. Why wait one last question one last question Oh, does water always seeps its level or has it ever stuck to a ball? That was in my opening argument. So I wonder I don't remember Oh, yeah, so water will stick to a ball with um, but only on the ISS right never on earth Not even on the ISS. Yeah. Well, they yeah, they they got the chroma key Water is really thin Compared to the water so water always seeks its level, right? All right, wait, wait, wait, we have lots of questions left. I think what's it do you have to get out of here at nine? Yeah, man, go a little over because the uh, it does try a little bit over but we still have lots of questions So from now on I really want to try to focus up with to get only Barry them. Let's go viral stay and bury them. These are satanists. We have to bury them So let's go ahead with uh tip fryer's next question. I'm sorry. No from budu doll for 10 100 no region crone They ask, uh, how would ancient civilizations such as mezzo americans or germanics be able to travel or build structures using Paula polo rithmates I'm sorry. I don't know this word polo Polar metric. Sorry polar metric navigation and measurement. How would this function on a flat model? Let me read that again Seeing the build structures to point at the stars Polar metric would mean something to do with the poles No one in ancient the ancient world did anything with a south pole. So that's just a goofy question They didn't know it existed So then his question's dumb, huh? Well, he's a good person for super chatting and contributing money into the modern day debate. No, okay Thank you so much. I I don't I don't understand the question. What's it? Yeah, it doesn't make sense Do you guys also believe that the third tower in 9 11 magically fell down in new york? Yes, I believe um somebody cast a spell and a collapse from logical red for two dollars They say mr. Sensible didn't use a fisheye camera Okay, but even even his a his camera has uh imposes curvature on the lens I don't know who that is Yeah, it's just some dude They they sent up a balloon and they act like the lens doesn't curve things somehow. How high did it go? Uh, I don't remember like around a hundred thousand Okay, but it only changes it changes once the balloon tilts down like, you know You could take a gopro and look at a skywalk. I guess like a sidewalk and make it look curved as you flip Yeah, that's all they did They don't like to talk about when it looks flat when it's level I mean the argument kind of ended with that red bull jump Which is goofy. Okay, so from john c. I'll have seen alicia. I think for five dollars They say flat earthers who use gps for navigation are a bunch of hypocrites No, dude, you don't even if you don't understand that the earth could be flat and then they could create a gps system Turning it into a ball Then you don't understand like basic math. It he disagrees. He disagrees. He don't understand Didn't they also like uh, was it Neil deGrasse Tyson and they said that A lot of the math and science with the globe and the flat earth kind of uh, They aligned perfectly. Is that true? All right from mark reed for what nobody answered that what the fuck For wits it there is a friction with the upper All right, there is a friction with the other air but not this non-existent container That's why the atmosphere can easily spin unlike a blender uh What you first of all what's funny is he was trying to say it does like the blender and eventually catches up But it can't look it can spin Right say it's moving with the same angular rotation angular momentum It's going to be slowly behind the earth unless there's an additional energy source Being introduced to the air To make it go faster and faster the higher you go so that it can all move together. This is very basic stuff All right next question from Tim prior for ten dollars to say no field of science agrees with you stop bringing it up I love how wits it thinks science is on his side. Nothing from science has ever came from a flat earth So stop using it really so tell me the curvature calculation science Yeah, what's like what are you talking quantum mechanics donks on the heliocentric model every day doesn't work at all What about fluid mechanics fluid statics like fluid dynamics? What about uh, like everything being intrinsically electrostatic everything being electric? What about downward electric current on the earth? Like what are you talking about science does nothing but just like alley oop Are we gonna pretend is there any science to lobbying cruise missiles? Is that uses geocentric flat earth maps? You're the one pretending. We didn't go to the moon. Oh my god. That's always guy brah. That's bad.  It's 2 000. You don't know why you just are saying things It's like, okay, so let's move on shall we From medicus minnow for ten dollars. They say keep john on he makes the show entertaining So you got a fan out there john from bk rich for five dollars How do people in australia south africa in south america all see the same southern stars when they're on the other sides of the Oh Oh, I remember this yo They don't they don't see them all at the same place. They're slightly different It'll be like southwest south a little bit southwest south and then southwest and higher up southwest Based on those three locations and you can show it all perfectly within an azimuthal grid of vision Which can be mapped out and seen and perfectly predicted by a plain earth that everyone has this little like dome of vision Basically if you look south then you're going to see the same exact stars with different positions as it rotates over top of you It's all perfectly mapped out and predicted within that model that I by the way. Thanks, walter for the model I started bringing attention to it in the debates and they took the whole website down because they're freaking out It's hilarious. So anyway, yeah, it's pretty simple. You have a dome of vision it curves visual space Does he have to make up how light works to no, it's not about light actually physically bending It's about how it appears to be in a different position based on optics You guys still even understand the argument Wait every individual person has a different Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.  I don't think john understands it We must move on from broken nose books for 550 canadian they say uh to g e What causes the apparent junction of the sky and ground? Question mark earth curvature or eyesight be gentle with said optical illusions are real comma not I guess it was a question for flat earth or something. No, it's for them Global earth or I believe What causes the apparent junction of the sky and the ground earth curvature or eyesight I thought I answered that Do it again It's an optical effect that we see For the horizon Is that our clouds also an optical effect? No clouds exist right So wait it's eyesight The um horizon is an optical effect that we know it's eyesight Our eyes drop down towards the horizon like oh, so it's optical. So it's not it's not the earth curve. It's just optical Dude, I can make a better you can measure the earth curve if you get to I think it was 35 000 feet Whoa, oh you can measure the earth curve with optics even though you said the horizon not your visual Eyes, it's so goofy With other all right with precision optical devices. Yes Okay from 5 for $5 they say of course it's easy to become a flat earth or because you expect no evidence like you do from us No, everybody already dunked on that stupid, dude Like we have all the empirical evidence in the world the globe claims that you just like Pretend the earth is flat stationary for everything Actually, no, I agree with that. It is easy to be a flat earth there.   Um, and we do have a lot of super checks left in the queue already. So Uh, you might want to consider not sending any more super checks at this time Oh, yo, did you see that it's Warner von bronze tombstone in the chat and it's talking about the firmament Yep Okay, isn't that the rocket guy. Yeah From timpire for five dollars. Once again, they say stop using nasa technology if they are liars Like what like what from nasa? Like what they used to create the ballpoint pin turns out they didn't like what did they create? And most of nasa's technology, what do they have like a patent on? What are they out? What are we like basically nothing everything they claim that they invented they actually stole it was already invented I guess we can't use helium balloons since they're obsessed with that You know, it's goofy dude. Think about this. We we paid them like hunt like since 1958 accounting for uh inflation $1.8 trillion dollars And then they invent something sell the patent to another company and then we have to go pay to use it When we wait with that are you as an american not happy of spending a hundred million dollars a day for Photoshop images of mars rover. No, I'm not I'm not very happy about it. Dude.  I like the government propaganda the high budget stuff like interstellar like why can't nasa give us Interstellar level I know at least I would I would enjoy that more The next question comes in from kango 44 for $11 new zealand. They say flat earthers Please explain the sunset. Please don't say it keeps its angular size because of some optic effect Otherwise planes would say the same size literally perspective literally perspective And what do they say?  They're they're leaving that vanishing point How's the 2023 people keep on acting like the sunset doesn't work on flat? That's so weird You guys are making more flat earthers if you really think the eras of all the way you guys act like makes flat earthers Anyway, like you can use magnification and show it look like the horizon is dropping below the horizon even though It's no but there one strong argument is when there's a big sun that doesn't get smaller on the sun setting Usually it does but sometimes you can have a big sun on the horizon. That's a good argument. They have Well, we have a limit to our perspective. So since it's further away It's not going to change angular size for you because you can only see so far So it can be perfectly mapped on the flatter that actually works perfect Oh, really? Okay. Next question from josh will grimes for ten dollars to say if getting into space is real with the thousands of satellites in orbit and How is it that none of the of them have crashed have not crashed into each other they would all need to What they would all need their own form of propulsion No, I find even more Like how do you change directions in a vacuum with the wrong? I think it was for the globers, but Yeah, that's other globers Yeah, that was for the globers pretty much. He's shitting on you that no no I believed it. So can I answer john? Are you just going to answer for me feel free? Go ahead Go magical space Wi-Fi go Okay, next Can I answer now? Go. Please do. This is some satellites. Good. Thank you. I believe some I don't know how Is it a 10? I don't know how all the satellites if they all have propulsion if just some of them have their own internal propulsion But they're calculated to be put in specific orbits where they don't have to be adjusted very often Sometimes he sends lights up as far as I'm aware of to adjust their orbits and stuff They pick them up where they blow them up and sometimes they do hit each other Okay, we're gonna move on john. We're gonna move on. We got we got a whole bunch more questions from kango 44 from $11 new zealand. They say if ant arctica goes all around the quote unquote edge Why do you have to travel south to get there from say the uk? What a weird question What what what do you think south would be? They don't get what south is they don't get it. It's weird, bro. And like we I'm not even I'm not saying that's the edge of the Earth More land, bro. I've been doing this for years. I don't know. I don't know how to West Dude, dude, what's it the smart guy literally said at the bottom of the map for south I don't get how do you explain south on it? They don't get how a compass works It's weird, bro South would be every which way four points of south everywhere away from magnetic north Like think of an expanding vagina.  They're right. There's a can we go From from mouth be there for five dollars to say can we go back to the fact that even if and it's a really big If 80 percent of moon rocks are from earth as austin said, what about the 20 percent that are not? Drug dealer is 80 percent of the time selling you bad blow. Is he really giving you good cocaine ever like it's obviously all cocaine Yo, they had no idea about any of that and I was just telling you the official story Then that's why I asked you wait. How do you tell the difference in the ones from the earth and not from the earth? You would never know the answer because the answer is there is no difference So they're identical and if we if we find them on the earth, that's just where they come from bro. They come from the earth Oh, right from tea baggins for 20 dollars. They say What's it schooling as usual? Excellent as usual zirka.  They say what's it tell us about the giants and the nefling Where and when did they live? Did they believe in a flat earth? How did they settle this dispute?  There are huge skeletons Go look at the all kind of newspaper articles in the early 1900s Like he said before 1850 the royal society dinosaurs weren't even a thing they took that giant bones Dude look truth's not for everyone. That's the truth. Some people just can't see it. They're like they're lost in the song How many bones are in the smithsonian museum giant bones plenty?  They don't have real bones Are you calling like things like giraffes giants and elephants giants? I'm pretty sure they talk about humans. I'm not people did Okay from kango 44 for 11 new zealand once again.  Why did they have why were they not transmitting? Why aren't they cables from south to south? Why are underground c cables a black? You know why that's a little racially motivated What is very sauce to the video about it? I'd like hold on Actually, you know whatever you say that they're confirmed you're by wait Do you disagree that all wi-fi is all wi-fi is done through triangulation towers and underground c cables? Yes All because the weather balloons No, I have satellite. I've had satellite internet But all satellite dishes are pointed to the grid They're pointed up towards the satellite To the triangulation towers get there faster.  Hold on. Hold on. You literally lose connection We gotta go. We gotta go. We gotta go. No, we gotta go Mark read for five dollars to say After show on mark read atheism channel keep the debate going and discuss how the debate went So mark, if you can send me that link, uh, maybe I can put it in the description before we get out of here From mouth breather for five dollars. They say, oh my god, zirka just said michaelson morley was one person Oh, here we go. Here we go. Oh, I I read this earlier. You got me.  Hey, what's your favorite dinosaur guys? Okay, from jade in for 20 dollars. They say ozion Have you ever triangulated the position of a geostationary satellite? If so, doesn't that demonstrate space and orbits? Yes, and yes, and I have and I've I've done um um antenna I do remote testing of two different substations like a hundred miles apart It requires that we have line of sight to be at least four satellites in orbit to get correct GPS time so we can synchronize the clocks and that like a cycle, you know A pulse not actually a clock between those two locations so we can come on Quick enough to be able to test our equipment Wow, you mean like the the gps satellite quote-unquote satellites that didn't work with Relativity and had to bring raw and hatch in to fix the entire system And they're really majority balloons and then you have just electric or predict propulsion We use relativity to do the calculations. It didn't work. You had to bring in a brawn hatch Everyone go look up does work.  That's where I did that one from Hold on. I'm still thinking about I'm still thinking about those 20 moon rocks, bro Okay from tim prior. He says for five dollars. Thank you tim.     That's like saying this light There this light is a sphere so that table has to be a sphere That was fun. So it's like in like two hours ago. You just recalled it now like It's like when you guys say it's like when you guys on that's enough no more john from cable 44 for $11 New Zealand they say what's it you mentioned fluid mechanics is some sort of proof of flat earth Could you please explain how the navier stokes equation shows this? Okay, so I didn't claim it was somehow proof of flattery is what I claimed was that according to fluid mechanics Then as you go higher in the atmosphere, you're gonna have to have more energy to make the atmosphere Go in lock step moving at the same rotational rate as the lower portions because it has a greater distance to travel speed A woman is in the kitchen Speed equals where you belong It's like nothing to do it speed equals distance over time So if i'm going to go a greater distance in the same amount of time it has to go in a greater speed Which means I have to have more energy to go in a greater speed or that would violate the law of conservation of energy Which means you have to come up with a physical mechanism introducing energy to the atmosphere proportionate's altitude Got it the from tim prior for five dollars. They say the michelson morally experiment has literally been shown To you on screen.  That's what I That's it as a christian. Would you tell somebody in the audience to go kill themselves? Just curious? I would Of course you as a good christian. I would the audience is evil the audience is supporting epstein and globalist I've lost all respect You'll have wasted your whole time if this video gets taken down this will just disappear. I'm joking. I'm joking. We're playing We're talking about mine. The algorithm doesn't care about you joking. Hey the algorithm. I'm talking about minecraft Don't ever harm yourself. I know witson's probably a good christian. He probably doesn't respect that I don't from we only have a couple more questions guys. I'm not grabbing any more questions out of the chat right now Just a few more left and then we'll be out of here from just in for five dollars I say witson. What's the difference between velocity and acceleration? Why do clocks still drift when accelerated different rates under your model? Yeah, acceleration has changed in velocity Um, what and first of all the whole like they change at different rates Well, they use what's called atomic clocks hating kaffe kaffeine whatever to do. I forgot their names Where they say that the cesium atoms have difference oscillation rates Meaning that the little cesium atoms they vibrate at different rates when they move and they claim that means that not the Not the electricity and electromagnetic is changing Time is slowing down, which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life So, uh, yeah, because the way that we actually measure what we call time Which is conceptual is all based on electromagneticism, which is effective with motion very simple stuff Doesn't even match relativity's prediction ron hatch had to fix it Excellent from clap your hands eight for four nine nine. They say what's it? You are claiming the globe model has flaws, but also claiming it has created But also claiming it was created using a flat earth model. Which one is it? Okay. Yeah, so the way that you got latitude was taking a Treating the earth like it's flat taking distant or angle measurements to polaris and then getting latitudes Uh, but yeah, you you you treat the earth like it's flat like a stationary plane in all situations And then you just take that reality for like real life Bend it into a presupposed ball. So yeah, the ball's wrong. It doesn't match reality and it's been debunked I don't understand why it was so confusing All right from uh m prior for ten dollars. They say Uh eight billion people on the planet. I don't see anybody outside of my house right now Or any other cars space is very big. This is why satellites don't crash Uh And then from team arc for five dollars. They say how do you explain the phenomenon of parallax as observed by astronomers? Okay, first of all pair up most of the parallax is just like goofy. It's not even real measurements They're like they can't even resolve below one two or three degrees and then they say like they're measuring point One millisecond or whatever they claim But when I say degree I meant arc seconds. Anyway, uh, if the stuff in the sky is moving And then the stars move differently over time The fact that stars move differently doesn't prove that the stars aren't moving and it's actually the earth moving That's really dumb your argument is since the stars move Explain how it's not the stars moving Like what?   So the per parallax the stars moving differently over time This is what the globers are saying if the stars are moving in the sky Can you explain how it could be the stars moving in the sky?   What's it?  Uh, well, I guess it is. Uh, they practitioner of satanic rituals I'm sorry. They say for ten dollars. Can we ban john for breaking the terms of service? For a joke?  There's one check a bunch of snowflakes in this bitch-ass channel. Okay. I got a couple more. I missed. Sorry From tim prior for five dollars to say try using a telescope and not a camera But thanks for saying you don't deny space exists Even even telescopes don't show anything like what they show at nasa. So it's awkward That's the last one. You know, it's funny. Just a quick footnote The vatican's largest telescope is called lucifer lucifer And then they got kicked back. They change it to lucy and and at what rate are the is the earth spinning? I have no respect for somebody who calls somebody's mother's a whore who don't need the money to this channel Right, bro. He tells him to go kill themselves.  All you do is act like a little child And I'm ready to move on from this debate The difference is I'm not destroying something Bro, we need crusaders. We need people like me We don't need people like you.  Yeah, you're crying.  Why would I respect human beings?  I'm meeting you guys. We're gonna say goodbye.  Okay I don't insult people today. Sorry. 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