Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us here at this press conference. Also a warm welcome to our audience in the webcast and live stream. This is a wonderful panel joining us here today to talk about our planet, the planetary boundaries and the living planet. And I'm joined by a wonderful panel here. To my immediate left is Professor Johann Rockström. He's the director of the Stockholm Resilience Center. To his left, Jan Eliasson, the deputy secretary general of the United Nations. Moving further down the line, we have Hansa Westberg, the CEO of Ericsson, and all the way to the left, co-hosting this press conference today, Marco Lambertini, the director general of the WWF. So without further ado, I'm moving on to Johann Rockström. He has, five years ago, started the planetary boundaries project, and actually tomorrow he will launch his new book, the news iteration of his findings there. We're very excited about that, and I would hand over to you and ask you to give us the key findings of your research for our audience here. Thank you. Thanks, George, and welcome everyone. So this year's WWF is about the new global context, and I represent the global community of Earth system scientists that today stand on a vast mountain of empirical evidence to conclude from a scientific perspective that the new global context is really about recognizing that humanity has become a global force of change at the planetary scale. We can today, unfortunately, envisage the global world economy itself disrupting the stability of the Earth system. Now to avoid that that becomes a doomsday predicament, science has now finally been able to translate this into a constructive new paradigm for world development, shedding off the old sustainable development paradigm, which, as you all are aware, is about economic growth and minimizing environmental impacts to recognize that the economy must now develop within the safe operating space of planetary boundaries. And this Friday we published in science the latest five-year update of this research where we have more robust evidence than ever before that the nine planetary boundaries that we've identified, including climate, but also biodiversity, how we manage land, water, fresh water, nutrients, chemicals, air pollution in the stratospheric ozone layer are fundamentally part of our ability to have human prosperity in the future. So that's one conclusion that we stand on a very, very robust basis to say that we can today support business and policy towards a new paradigm for sustainable development. The second conclusion is that this is all about a transformation towards a new logic for world development. It requires a mind shift in terms of reconnecting human societies to the biosphere. And in this book that we launched tomorrow, which is about abundance and development within a safe operating space, we make perhaps a surprising point that it all boils down to actually becoming wise stewards of the remaining beauty on earth, the recognition that the living nature is key to our own world economic development and prosperity. And this has been done together, not least with the world-leading national geographic photographer Matthias Klum, who happens to be in the room here to connect science with the stories and empirical evidence that this actually makes case. My final closing remark is that this is a year, a decisive year for humanity that Jan Elias on certainly will emphasize. We have the climate summit in December. What does the planet-boundary research tell us? It tells us that we need to stay within a planetary boundary on climate. The maximum planetary limit for that is two degrees Celsius. It translates to a science-based global carbon budget, which means that we have to decarbonize the world economy by mid-century. And this finite budget within a safe operating space needs to and can be shared in a fair way among all nations on earth. And this is one example of how to operationalize this latest science. Thank you, George. Thank you. So over to you, Mr. Elias. Thank you very much. I'm very glad to be with this panel. I have been professionally and personally engaged in contacts with these four people at this podium. The only complaint I have is that my wife would complain about gender balance. Point taken. We certainly represent 100 percent of humanity in our striving for having a deeper understanding of the planetary boundaries. Johan and I discussed this sometime before he published the famous article, I think I can say that, in September 2009. And we thought that it wasn't enough to have the problem with climate change, but then he added eight other parameters. And he will in this book, which I've had a little preview at, say that we have crossed four of these boundaries, which of course is a tremendously important warning signal. And I would say that this year is absolutely crucial for us to come to our senses if I may dramatize it somewhat. We have three very important international conferences, which in my view should serve as catalysts for action. There is one in Addis Ababa in July on financing for development. And then there is one in the end of September in New York, which is to be gaveling and deciding on the Sustainable Development Goals and setting the direction for the post-2015 development. I was around already back 2000 when the Millennium Development Goals were established. But we live now in a day and age with transformational changes needed and a much wider agenda. So the goals are pretty many, but I'm sure that the member states will present them in a strong and convincing and mobilizing way. They will serve then hopefully as basis for planning, not only on the global level, but above all I would say on the regional, national and even in the best of cases local. And I think we will make extraordinary efforts to make these goals known and recognized. The leading words are of course fighting poverty, still unfortunately the major objective, but just mention two other aspects. One is of course sustainability. This is everything we do from now on. We should have done it much earlier, it has to be based on sustainability. And we may have Plan B in life, but we certainly have no Plan B as you may have heard before. And then the other word is universality. This time it's obligations for all member states. We are a global community and we should realize that we have to carry burden and we have to make contributions. But I would also not like to end on a doomsday note. But I think this is also a tremendous opportunity, an opportunity to really work in a new way. I have a sense that organizations, I have been for a minister, I've been working for a long time, but also in the UN. There is a tendency to work vertically in silos. But if we are to make progress in today's world, we need to of course be extremely good in our verticals in the silo, but we need to work horizontally. And that's why I think this panel is a pretty great expression here. We have science, policy, business, and the enormously important civil society and NGO. I want to pay tribute to you worldwide, I thank you for what you have done in order to mobilize public opinion on these issues. And if we put the problem in the center, and then ask ourselves who can do something about it, then I think we can make a difference. And that requires us to work in a different way. And that's why not only this panel is symptomatic of the kind of work that I would like to see, but also the World Economic Forum, which provides a marketplace, a meeting place for all of us to discuss very serious things. And I think let's go to make this year really a year of action and move in the direction of taking responsibility for the future of this planet. Thank you very much for this passionate call for action. Speaking of the business voice in this matter, I'm passing on to Mr. Hans Westberg, the CEO of Ericsson. Thank you very much. What's your perspective on the issue? Thank you very much. And first of all, of course, congratulating this science work that is going to be published tomorrow. I think it has been a long work and very important work. And I think that for all businesses, science plays a very vital role because that is putting all the dots together to conclude where we are and where we're going. And I think that's why I feel that there are many challenges on Earth today. And of course, the sustainability is one of the largest we have. And it is a moment where it is very important for public, private to come together. We're going to decide a lot of things this year and it's not going to be one organization that can solve this. And I think that the Deputy Secretary General here clearly expressed how important it is to work over boundaries. I think as a company, Ericsson, of course, we have our society goals now for 2020. And I think companies are realizing how important it is to think about it. But I think also from a point of view from an industry, a representing industry that is ICT, that is all the broadband in the world which is going to be deployed all around the world. We have clearly a commitment to work across sectors right now, to really work on the CO2 emission. And we have a clear ambition and belief that we can probably avoid 20% of all CO2 emission in the world by 2020 by using the technology that we are providing as an enabler. But it's only as an enabler. We need to work with transport systems. We need to work with different industries. And of course, with the public sector to make it happen. We are committing, and I see that more and more other industries are committing to work crossover. And I think that's why it's so important when you get this science in front of you and then you call for action. And I think that this is a historical moment in this century. We're going to have a lot of decisions. And for me and for Ericsson, this is extremely important. And I will see that all other industry players in my industry will reach out and see what we can do to reduce the CO2 emission. But we clearly believe we can reduce it up to 20% already 2020 by using the technology. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Lambertini, you launched the Living Planet Report. And why don't you share with us the key findings from that and at your perspective from the civil society to this conversation? Thank you very much. I'll be very brief. My role here is to say very few things. First of all, that we are completely aligned with the planetary boundaries concept. In fact, more than that, the concept is really the foundation of our strategy in dealing with the reaching development within the limits of the planet. Our Living Planet Report, as you just cited, is also painting a very dramatic picture of the impact on the environment. We are using a number of indicators. One particularly striking is the collapse of wildlife populations around the world. 40% of the population of wildlife has been lost in the last four years. That's highly symptomatic of the impact we're having on ecosystems. But on the other hand, I also have to stress the fact that we really feel, I really feel, we all in the WF field, this is really beginning to be exciting times. Because on one hand, the state of the environment, the state of the planet is deteriorating, it's clear. On the other hand, the pressures are diversifying, intensifying sometimes and for sure becoming more and more complex. But what is really exciting is the response is also on the app and the integration, the integrated thinking about it and the clarity of science. The publications Johanna was referring to before are doing two important things to all of us. First, are actually moving us beyond denial. Science is clear, science is telling us very clearly that human development is at the expense of the environment and it cannot go on this way. The other exciting thing in a change program, because I think we're really in the middle of a change program as a civilization, is to have this problem statement very clear, to have the challenge very clear, which has to be meeting the needs of a growing and increasingly prosperous we want population on the planet within the boundaries of Earth, but particularly the really, really exciting part, which is actually demonstrated in Davos through the WF program, is that we are now combining social, economic and environment. We are really beginning to think that there is no way we can deal with the three key pillars in isolation and somebody mentioned the SDGs, the Sustainable Development Goals Discussion. I mean, this morning at the Water Forum, I mean one of the leaders of the SDG process referred to the Water Challenge and cited the three key pillars to deal with, sanitation, access and environment. Everything is coming together. I think we've got that now and this integrated approach is the only way forward and this year consolidating that into a global agreement on climate and development will be, I think, an historical achievement that we will hear. Definitely a striving to make come through. Thank you. I'm sorry to say that Mr. Eliason has to leave us for his next assignment. In five minutes. In five minutes? Oh, that's a great opportunity. All the questions to him. So let's open the floor quickly to questions. Please. We have a microphone. For the sake of our online audience, please state your organization and name. Thank you. I have a question for Mr. Eliason on the International Corporation there. How can the UN unite more with NGOs and the science world? Well, I think we are on the way to a complete shift of thinking. We cannot do it alone. We need to have complete mobilization this time. I had a meeting with ambassadors in New York just before I left on the SDG process and the Paris process. And normally diplomats will say, well, first we have to negotiate the end of the process by September. Then we can start communication. They said, no, we have to start now. We have to get these issues out there because we are in a hurry and we need to prepare opinion. And once these goals are launched in the end of September, then we are up and going. And therefore, I think it's very good that we work in these combinations. I think we should, as I said, put the problem in the center.  And I also want to build on what you said. Here we have two fantastic photographers, Matthias Klum and Jeppe Wiegström. You should see their pictures. I have been a great admirer of what you're doing. They can play a very important role. One thing I've learned from my job as an emergency relief coordinator and also a negotiator in conflicts is that the images are extremely powerful. I don't think we should need any more convincing about the science, as we all agree here. But when we see these pictures, there is no doubt, there is no hesitation. And if we can combine now the scientific evidence and present it in such a living way as Johan and his colleagues are doing and with the help of World Wildlife Fund and your work and your colleagues in other organizations all over, and with private sector realizing that this is in the interest also of business, that we have a world that is sound and safe. It's in the light and self-interest. It's part of your, Hans and I have talked about that. This is part of his strategic planning to make sure that he follows these issues. That's why we tied him to us on the broadband issues. And that's why it's so good that you bring us together here at World Economic Forum. So I just want to thank you and by this I will leave this room and look forward to seeing you in different combinations during the next two days. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Gentleman in the middle. And how can businesses adopt planetary boundaries framework? I think that the framework, of course, is very important for us, as I said. I mean, partly the business that we are conducting as an industry and as Ericsson, we're building an enabler to actually work with these planetary boundaries. And of course, that's the broadband that is rolling out all around the world. As I said in previous discussions, we will end up 2020 with 1.7 billion people not having broadband, but it's only 300 million that doesn't have coverage. We just need to see that they are accessible because that means also that we can start transforming and doing a sustainable planet much easier because the technology can then make more efficiency. We use our global resources in a much better way. So I think that when it comes to business using these type of frameworks, it's an important understand. If it's connected to business and sustainability, it's gonna happen. And this is where I'm coming from. This is business for us. At the same time, it's impacting very good or very important social issues in our society. And that's how I see we are working with this. And that's why we, as an organization in the Broadband Commission, for example, bringing together different stakeholders from our industry gathering together what can we do in order to fight this? And that could be on healthcare, it could be on CO2 emissions, or it could be on education. But we have a framework and we want to reach out with that and that's how we work. Just a quick follow-up on that. So this 20% emissions by 2020. What's gonna stop? Is that across business or is that everywhere? And what's gonna stop it? Or what's gonna create the transformation? The scaling of solutions is the biggest challenge we have. Of course, connected cars, making management of traffic is one very important and connectivity of cars is starting to happen. What we have seen now, think about this. I mean, we talk about connected devices and everything and that's great. We talked about 50 billion connected devices 2010. What we are thinking about right now, when you connect those devices, they create a system. That system can impact our society. A very good example is great to have a connected car. You're gonna have information, health of the car, you can drive better. But when you can connect all the cars, you have transport systems. The transport system can definitely avoid CO2 emissions by steering traffic better, giving the right signals to people and steering it. So one need to think that different industries will go from connecting one thing to connecting the system. Power grids is another thing that, of course, when that's getting a smart grid, you start with connecting the meters, then you have the whole system and then you can start steering the electricity. Then you can reduce the waste of electricity. All of that will be enabled by the technology. So the technology is only enabler. There has to be partnership with energy companies, with transport companies. We cannot do it alone, but we can provide the platform and we have good visibility how far this platform will go. And it will go extremely far. I mean, 96% of the earth population will have mobile coverage by 2020. It's the fastest technology rollout in the world. It's one of the biggest transformative technologies that we have in the hands of all people on earth in 2020. And my work, together with my colleagues, is to see that those are reflecting in the SDGs. And one of the challenges in the SDGs is of course the climate change. So that's where I come from. Thank you. So mindful of the schedule of everyone and of the time, I would close this press conference here. Yes, just on a practical issue, just to explain that. So three days back, we published two scientific articles which give the support for the dialogue we've had here. One is on the Great Acceleration, which is the latest update on the human pressures on the planet, which is empirical observations on the exponential rise of pressures. And the same day in science, we published the five-year update on the planet-to-boundary research. Now that was published Friday, and I'd like to just share with you that Science, which is the world's most prestigious science scientific magazine, has a paywall for all its publications. But the interest was so large that they've actually opened it up for open access in order to really put this out in the common domain. What happens tomorrow is that we have an event outside of the WEF Congress where we launch the book, which summarizes all the science with photographer Matthias Klum and tells the story that Marco is portraying that using planet-to-boundaries is not a way to hamper development. It is rather a way to put the incentives in place to guide the kind of incentives and innovations that Hans is talking about. So it's about a transformation into abundance within a safe operating space. It's not limits to growth, it's growth within limits. And I think that is a very different story, which we now have tremendous amount of scientific empirical evidence in support for. Wonderful. Thank you very much. Thank you, everybody.


Let's bring it back to the specific example that you, an idea you used, you said you noticed that it seemed to make a difference whether this tape would be something that just you would listen to versus others would listen to. Well, we're definitely talking a future construct there. I mean, not only is, you know, that self apart from others, that subject object split there, but it's also been projected to the future. To how this tape will or may or may not be used in the future. You know, and once again you said you were, you know, there was some tension or uneasiness or something along those lines, and that thought is a projected thought, is a self-concept thought. It's a thought of an association of what may happen. Two different constructs, one construct where just you, the small you, listens to the tape and maybe in the privacy of your own home, you can see that's a construct. Or second alternative would be perhaps the tape being passed on to others to listen to, maybe even in groups or so on and so forth. And that's another construct.


One of the questions I get is George, how do I build my email list? How do I get email subscribers so that I can communicate more effectively and more reliably to my audience? I think that's a great question and let me give you my advice on this. As you can imagine, I'm gonna give you advice that's probably different than what you'll hear from most marketers because I really believe in doing authentic marketing and honestly, most marketing out there, in my opinion, is not as authentic, not as honest as it could be. So I'm gonna recommend that instead of trying to get people to subscribe to our email list by using opt-in freebies and things like that, okay? Now that's okay, but let me give you a different way of thinking about it. Now opt-in freebies, what is that? That's when someone, you've seen this before, you probably opted in, someone says, hey, draw my email list and you'll get this amazing series of videos that'll teach you how to do this and that, right? Draw my email list that way or have this amazing free ebook or some other amazing thing to draw my email list for. Well, notice this is my homepage, this is my website. You don't see any pop-up with join this, join that. And yes, of course, pop-ups do get more email subscribers. Freebies do tend to get more email subscribers also, okay? But let me give you one more reframe. What if our purpose wasn't to get more email subscribers, but instead the purpose of an email list, what if it's to communicate reliably with your audience in a way that you and they really both enjoy? So, all right, get this. None of, no business is trying to really try to get a bigger email list. What you really want is to have enough clients. Isn't that true? What you really want is to be able to share a message and impact people positively. Isn't that true? Not to get a bigger email list. I'll tell you this. I used to have a far bigger email list than I do now. I actually, manually, I personally, consciously, cut my email list by about 90%. I actually deleted about 90% of my email list because I wanted to keep just the people who had opened one of my email newsletters in at least the last six months. So I cut out most of them, and I'll tell you, most of my peers, okay, most of the marketers out there have enormous email lists, but have tiny open rates and click rates of their emails. It's really sad. So, and then they're paying all this money to maintain this huge email list that's mostly debt. So, I recommend that you build for quality, rather than just quantity. Yes, you want to build a quality email list, and yes, you want to build a larger, maybe over time, but it's always about the quality of the relationship you have. So instead of trying to get people to subscribe to your email list, you don't even need a freebie. If you have one, great. But if you don't even have one, I don't even have one. I'm trying to model the most minimal marketing you can do, the most authentic marketing, minimal marketing you can do. You can do more than I do. That's perfectly fine. But I don't have an opt-in pop-up, and I don't make it hard for people to find my email newsletter. But I look at my email newsletter as a service of convenience for my audience. If they don't want to miss my best content, they don't want, I don't want them to have to hunt around. Remember to come back to my website to try to find my latest blog post, or try to remember to go to my social media pages to try to find it. They can get my best stuff delivered. Either once a week or once a month to their email inbox as a convenience. So they come to my website, they can click on newsletter, all right? And that brings them to a page that's clearly me, my picture's on there, and it says to receive my best content, et cetera, et cetera. And I do something also quite unique, which is I give prospective email newsletter subscribers a link to check out what kind of email news are they gonna get from me before they even subscribe. Almost no other email newsletter does this. You basically subscribe blind. You think you're gonna get this freebie, but you end up getting all this other emails that you didn't expect, right? So I actually give them a sample of what they're gonna receive. And the other thing I do differently, which you may or may not wanna do, is I ask for a lot more than is conventionally recommended by marketers. Marketers typically say, oh, only ask for their email address. The more you ask for, the fewer subscribers you'll get. And remember, I say, I'm not trying to get more subscribers necessarily. I'm trying to get better subscribers. I want subscribers who really want to be there, who really are going to read my emails, et cetera. So I ask for not just their email address, but their name as well, how they discovered me. These are all required fields, by the way. And then I give them the option, again, the service, the convenience of either getting my emails once a month or once a week. So the other thing I do that I also recommend is at the end of your posts on social media, where you write something substantial or you record a video. At the end of those things, include one of these. I always include that at the end of my expertise, my content that's related to my expertise. I always include to receive my best articles via email. You can go there and that brings people, again, brings people here to be able to subscribe. So look at your email newsletter as a convenience, as a free service to your people, and you will build an email list that is more engaged. My email newsletter gets, I know what my industry, okay, if you wanna go to Google and search email list industry averages, the first real result besides the advertisements, the first organic result is by MailChimp, which happens to be the email newsletter subscriber, email list software that I use and love, have used it for years and love it. And there, they'd show you what the industry averages are. They update it frequently. The first column in numbers is open rate, the second column is click rates. If I go down to my industry, my industry is either consulting or education and training. It's different people will say different things about that. So it's basically about 20% open rates and about 2.5% click rates. Well, my most recent monthly newsletter got a 33% open rate. So one and a half times higher than the industry average and got a 8.8% click rate instead of 2.63, which is what my peers tend to be getting. So I'll tell you, my way of doing email newsers does work and it builds a quality relationship with my audience. So I do recommend that you consider following the way that I do email newsletter so that if I imagine if everyone did what I did, audiences, consumers would feel much better about email newsletters. And of course, when I say it's a service and a convenience for your audience, I don't mean that you never sell your product and service through email news. Of course you do. And so for example, if you look at my most recent, my most recent email newsletter, my February one, I give my best recent content and I also sell my upcoming workshop. So of course you can also include your services and your products in there, but do include lots of your free and helpful content as well. So I hope that this is helpful and I wish you an authentic and quality relationship with your email subscribers. Be well.


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computer. Hello and welcome to the Digital Freethought Radio Hour on WOZ Radio 103.9 LPFM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. We're recording this on Sunday morning, June 12, 2022. I'm Larry Rhodes, or Doubter 5. And as usual, we have our co-host, Pombat, on the line with us. Hello, Pombat. Hello, I'm the Pombat. And our guests today are John Richards from across the pond over there in London Way. And we've got Dred Pirate, Higgs from Western Canada. Welcome. Ahoy there. Digital Freethought Radio Hour is a talk radio show about atheism, free thought, rational thought, humanism, and the sciences. And conversely, we'll also talk about religion, religious faiths, gods, holy books, and superstition. And if you think you're the only non-believer in your town, well, you're just not. You're in Knoxville, in the middle of the Bible Belt. We have a group of over a thousand of us. And we'll tell you more about that after the mid-show break. Pombat, what are we going to be talking about today? We're going to be talking about putting a certain general warnings on holy books, religions, and even atheist literature. See what we come up with. Before we get into the meat and potatoes, I'd like to fill it up to our own carbohydrate master-in-chief to lead us into our weekly invocation. All right. I'm called to invoke the power of the true creator of the universe, the drunken tolerator of all lesser and more recent gods, and maintainer of gravity here on planet Earth. May the great flying spaghetti monster rouse himself from his stupor and let his noodley appendages ground us in our seats. I think this should be our prayer instead of this. It should be this. It should be like this. Okay, that happens. You can call out the former Christians pretty easy. Okay, so John, I think I saw your hand up. What was it? Did you have anything? Yeah, yeah. Well, I thought maybe a useful warning to be to put on a Bible could be. Oh, you're going straight into the topic. Of course, but I want to know what's having, whatever, having to foreplay. How are you doing? Yeah, I need the foreplay. Okay. John, how you been? Yeah, we should minimize it. Not only am I no good at foreplay, but I'll be all over. Hello, George Brown. Welcome. Hey, George Brown. Welcome to the show. I like the new headphones. We're waiting to see if you can get your audio connected as you come in.  We can't hear you, but we're going to wake you up. John Richards, how you been since last... Can you hear me now? Hell yeah. John Richards, how you been? Okay. So how am I doing? Well, okay, I had a birthday yesterday and I'm not turning you how old I am because at the moment I get away with looking 20 years younger than I really am. Okay. No shame in being old. That's survival. Like once you take the dogma out of it, it's like I live longer than you. That's an achievement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's suffice it to say that most people my age are already dead. All the more reason to brag in my head. But anyway, happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. So I've had a good time. I've been, because I've missed you for a few weeks, haven't I? I haven't been able to join in for various reasons, but all of them genuine. So we have caught up on global Atheist news and that's what we're going to review, right? That's right. Yes. And that will happen again tonight. And I've already put, I'm confining a list of panelists because as you know, I have a larger list than actually appear. And because of course, some people can't do it every week. But tonight you'll hear that, you'll be pleased to hear that Ty is a confirmed, Tercea is confirmed, Victor is confirmed, David Orestine who joined us for the first time last week, he's confirmed, Dredd is hoping to join us, and Esther is hoping to join us. But unfortunately, I won't be there. David, by the way, President of the American Atheist Society, or what was it? Well, yeah, it's international. Yeah, I promised him I wouldn't talk about that. Maybe I should have warned you about this in the preamble. He's resigned. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So we've had presidents and former presidents. You were religious. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So he was a president for about two weeks. You know, it's important to go for records. You know, everybody has a speed running competition. I'm sure we can make that somehow. Dredd, I'm so happy to see you, man. How you been? I've been doing all right. Thank you very much. I passed this on to John earlier this morning that I have filed a complaint with the B.C. Ombudsman's office against the Special Programs Division of the Ministry of Justice. And so I thought I'd just read out what I am seeking. Sure. So the freedom of religious expression is guaranteed under 2A and 2B of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Whereas current government identification utilizes facial recognition technology to accurately capture an individual's likeness for the purposes expressed under relevant legislation. Whereas in cases where a head covering is worn, provision is available to those whose religious belief includes the wearing of a distinctive head covering. Insofar as such a head covering does not interfere with facial recognition technology, accommodation is granted to persons who claim the right to accommodation under that provision. Whereas the current accommodation appears only to be provided to persons of recognizable demographic populations by virtue of their skin color, native language, or ethnic presentation. Whereas no government agency is qualified to make any determination whatsoever on a person's claim to religiosity. Whereas a registry of permissible religions by which accommodation is either granted or does not and should not exist. Therefore, we seek the remedy of being able to provide and have accepted photographs of passport quality wherein we are depicted with religious head gear consistent with our religious faith in a similar manner as those who do so being members of other faiths that enjoy the accommodation without question, evaluation, and or discrimination. Right. And the most bizarre thing is it's not a protest in a sense. It's not a, hey, we're trying to make a point here. It's I have an actual religion and you're not letting me do the same thing that other religions that you're letting do. So why who are you to decide that? That's just exactly. Larry, what's that? You just hit nail on the head with the last thing. Who are you to decide that? Governments cannot be in the position of deciding which religion is your way on which ones aren't. Which one they like and which one they give privileges to. Which ones they promote and which ones they discourage. It's all or nothing. Yeah. And this was the thing like when I went to Supreme Court over this with the human rights tribunal, the judge says, well, you know, are there would you agree that there are elements of satire in your your religion? And I said, there may be people who, you know, conduct themselves with satire and whatnot. But I can't speak for anyone. I can't speak for everyone. It's a it's a fallacy of consistency, right? That, you know, just because one person does one thing, it means that everyone's bad at it or doesn't decide who's a true believer and who's not. Exactly. And the point, the further point was, so what? So what if it's satire? Yes. You know, it's all make believe at the end of the day. Have you ever realized this? I'm just saying, but I was also saying like, hey, you know, how many Christians have got a divorce or wear fabric of multiple costs or eat shellfish or, you know, the list goes on. Like you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's Christian that actually adheres to any of the or all of the tenets of Christianity or, you know, praise but then does terrible things when they think no one's watching. Like they get all the privileges of the and you know, privileged having like a major religion on their back. But are you just to get a hat on for your ID photo? It's like, well, how many people in your club take it serious? Like, what are you even talking about? Like, how's that? Sorry. Well, interestingly, I was contacted just last week by a gentleman in Ontario who has his driver's license with his tricorner with his condor on. And a fellow in Nevada just showed us his new license yesterday. So other jurisdictions are allowing this to happen. So it should be right across the board. I bet you'd get a lot of seeks with their turbines on them. Sure. Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah, that's a given. That's why I referred to that. Yeah. George Brown second and the half. Yeah, I just wanted a point of clarification. So if I understand that's right, you are claiming to be the member of a religion. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Okay, so what if you weren't claiming to be the member of religion? How would it play out? Well, they wouldn't allow it because they would just consider it a hat. That's just a hat at that point, which is still a weird condition at the end of the day, where it's like, hey, I want to wear this hat on my ID picture because I always wear this hat. And that's the way to identify it. So no religion. You can't have a make-believe supernatural friend. It's like, oh, okay. Well, yeah, so no religion, no hat. Yes. That's correct. And like I said, with facial recognition technology, this whole point about wearing or not wearing or not allowing people to wear hats is moot. It's completely irrelevant. Yes, that's right. It doesn't consider that because my passport photo doesn't know I've got a beard. Oh, wow. Yeah. My phone still recognizes me. Yeah. And that's the most bizarre thing because anyone can grow a beard. Well, almost more than half the population of earth can grow a beard. Some may not want to, but some totally can. Larry, what's up? And you got the problem with what's a hat? I mean, it's a balaclava, a hat. If it is, it wouldn't help much on an ID. Right. And where are they going to go next with their specifications? Are they going to demand that we have a particular type of hairstyle? Right, right. I mean, truly the line should have just been, hey, don't interfere with the facial recognition, but do whatever you want after that because as long as we can recognize your face, we're fine. It's all good. It's all good. Don't wear a disguise, but like for the most part, if we can use our technology to figure out who you are, you're good. Keep moving. All right. Keep doing the good fight, Dredd. We appreciate it. Eric, just joined in. Looks like you're on vacation. What's up, buddy? Hey, I'm here on vacation and to work. Nice. Nice. I hope you have a good time. It looks like where are you at, if you don't want me asking? Tell me. Greece. Israel? Great. Greece is correct. Very, very cool. Wow. So we do have an international show right now. Where in Greece, if you don't want me asking? Athens. That's the part of the mountain behind me. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Let me know if you see me. I'm closer to John than I'm closer to you guys. Yes. You're also on the beach near Athens. Oh, nice. A coastal beach, but yeah. And let me know if I need to mute my mic because there are some cars downstairs. I'm happy to do so. No, you're totally fine. We appreciate having you here. Thank you for spending some time with us. Let's see. What's your impression of the Greek language, if you don't mind me asking? It is, it is interesting. I have not been able to pick up much of it, except they say, you can say Mersi, which is French for thank you. And that's acceptable. Okay. But other than that, a lot of people, they look at me and they can tell I'm American, so they speak English. Okay. Works for me. Works for me. I do like the Greek accent. I find it's like, they're Spanish, which I like. And then Italian in mind, this is going to sound so American, but Italian is like Spanish plus more syllables, right? It's just like, hey, I need to go with this. And then it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Italian. But Greek is like that times 10. There's like, we put all the syllables in the language. It's weird. Words are this long. I know we're just backwards. Yes. And it's great that they use math to explain elder books and stuff like that. It's great. The language of math. Let's see, we're going to round up everyone. George Brown, you're, looks like you're busy right now. Larry, how you been? I'm doing pretty well. Just playing games, riding motorcycles, working mostly, eight to five. But I'm spending a lot of time in VR through my Quest 2. I have to say that if you consider yourself a visual person, one who really enjoys the visuals of movies and things more than anything else, get virtual reality. It is just awesome. Yeah, incredible. And it looks like they figured out all the problems in the third iteration. So the Quest 2 is actually the third model that they've come out with. And they came up with the Rift and the Oculus and then the Quest. So I'm glad. Be aware. Yeah, be aware that Quest 2 is a Facebook product. So if you're not on Facebook, you may have trouble getting everything the way you want. But I'm glad you're having fun.  You're living the dream of every 12-year-old. If you can't do it at 72, when can you do it?  Nice. Yeah, why not? George, how you been? Want to catch up with you before? Well, nothing really special.  I was going to say cool astronaut, but go for it. Martian. Yeah, what I've been doing is modifying cheap junky headphones to improve the speech comprehension. So I've glued foam rubber to actually decrease the base response of these phones to make everybody clearer to me on Zoom meetings. Got it. You took out the mid-tones with foam. So everybody says you want to get more and more and more base in your sound that I'm getting less and less, which is what I want. You know, it's an interesting thing. I had my mom over here and we did a hearing test just for the fun of it. She's hard of hearing. So it was interesting to see where her hearing was at because we wanted to listen to music together. And so I wanted to know how should I adjust this music EQ so that she can appreciate it closer to how I'm appreciating it with her implants in. So we did a hearing test and it's like her low range is gone more or less, but her high range is even higher than mine. So she hears things really 25 Hertz or no, not 25 Hertz, like 15,000 or something like that, like something really high. And I'm like, so you can like hear if the speakers even have electricity going to them. It's like, yeah, I can hear the headphones are on right now.  I'm like, oh, that's so crazy. That's cool. So yeah, people can hear different things. That's a very unusual kind of hearing loss that she's got. It's hearing loss, but she has these implants in her head that lets her. Oh, I see. Sound and converted to an electrical signal switch you can hear. By the way, clear implant. It's a cochlear implant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has them now for like about four years and sometimes just turns them off. Guys, there's so much danger though with implants though, I wish someone put like a little hazard label on them, because there should be doctors warnings for things. And I was thinking about this with religion. And a lot of time talking about advocacy, talking about critical thinking, talking about the dangers of religion for what? For what? You know, like what's what's a good analogy to explain that? And why is it so important to us? Well, the way I put it is if I was going to see a friend of mine smoke cigarettes, I would say you have the right to smoke cigarettes. It's totally fine. But you should know that you're actually ingesting a poison. You should know that you're going to increase your health care costs, which is going to affect me. You should know that your life expectancy might drop down, which affects the quality of life.  There are a lot of conditions that make it such that smoking isn't necessarily a good habit to develop if you're already a healthy minded person. And every single religious person I've met is a person that could have not been religious or not been adherent to a dogmatic pattern of thinking. And that's an opportunity lost. And so I wish there was like a surgeon general label similar to how there is on certain boxes on the Bible, on the Quran, on certain religions, but also on atheist textbooks too, because I'd be interested in seeing what they say. Oh, sure. Question everything for sure. The search for truth involves questioning. So question everything. So let's do a round table and figure out what would you put as a label and what would you put that label on? John Richards, I know you're first in line. Go for it. Okay. Well, I put the Bible. We have this sticker on. Yeah, I think we'll hit it. May raise expectations to unrealistic levels. I'm going to write, I'm going to write these down because I think these are actually really good. So what do you mean by that? Would you mind elaborating just a little bit? Well, it provides, it suggests that you might be entitled to things that you're not really entitled to, and after life, you know, and no inconvenience from the satans of this world, and, you know, general protection by a benevolent God, and none of this is realistic. Very, very good. I like it. Okay, okay. May raise your expectation to unreasonable levels. Unrealistic. Unrealistic, unrealistic levels. Okay. I also like unreasonable too, because generally, same boat. Dredd, I'd love to hear what you say. Do you have one for the Bible? For the Bible. Yeah. Putting it on the spot. You mean the Christian Bible? Any of them. Yeah, there's a lot of them. Okay. Because of course, I have my own gospel. Give me the Christian version first, and then you can fill in that one. How about that? Okay. May lead to excessive belief in invisible friends. Oh, may lead to excessive belief in invisible friends. That's great. Well, you know, the thing is, there is a, there is a, you know, if any Christians are watching this show, there is a automatic off-putting feeling that you get when you call God an imaginary person, or an imaginary character. But an invisible friend is very much what God is, even in the most explicit sense, because if someone said, hey, look at God, it's like, well, I'm looking at a tree. It's like, I see the tree, but I'm still looking for God. And you're saying he's your friend, right? Yeah. Well, that's an invisible friend. You have an invisible friend, and you are leading to excessive beliefs in your invisible friends. What's up, Dredd? May also lead to chronic episodes of hypocrisy. Chronic episodes of hypocrisy. I love it. Okay. I've got another one. Okay. John, go ahead, Eric, your next. Get ready. Be sure to use your best cherry picker. I like that. Make sure to use your best cherry picker. All right, Eric, you have a Surgeon General warning for the Bible? Yeah. I like to steal a quote from Dredd. You're going to appreciate it, I think. And I'm probably going to slightly butcher the quote, but I think the spirit of it is here, which is Surgeon General's warning. This gives you a gold-plated reason to stop thinking. And I think in all seriousness, it's the idea that if you ever want to get to the point where you don't want to think about anything anymore, like, oh, how does rain happen? What happens after we die? Or how does gravity work or any of it? And you just want to not think. And instead, just introduce some magical properties, then here you go. Read this book and then you can, oh, I don't have to think about that. I don't have to stress about not knowing. I just know now. Instead of just saying, I don't know, you can go to the book and say, oh, you did it. I like it. What was that rule? One more time? Say it one more time. I believe the quote is, it gives you a gold-plated reason to stop thinking. I'm just kind of like a paraphrasing. I like it. Larry, I'm going to fill this up at you. Oh, wait, can I ask one more question about Greece? I'd love to see. John, I see you too. Eric, what had in your opinion is the religious tenure in Greece? Because you know, you're in the land where there are like, yeah, Apollo and one of them? No, no. Poseidon. Is Christianity like permeant there too? Or is it like old gods? What are we talking about? Well, so it was interesting. I don't want to take too much and I can talk about this in more detail later or another time. But we did a monastery tour and to me, that was so fascinating because our tour guide, I swear she was an atheist because she kept like throwing in these like little interesting like side notes and sarcastic sidebars about things. You know, everything about Greek, about the Greek gods was all mythology. Right. But then anytime she talked about any of the Christian stuff, of course, you know, it was like the Romans coming in or other influences. Yeah, and it was like they said this, but I think it's more plausible that this actually happened and she would break it down very skeptically, which I really appreciate. But I think overall, the gist here is that, you know, all of the Greek stuff is mythology, but we believe in the orthodox, at least the Orthodox, you know, believe in the kind of a Christian way. So it's it's still pretty heavy influenced by the Romans. So the Romans still have some aftertaste in here, but there's some good minds out there as well at the same time. Yes, I mean, and I think they really despise kind of the Turks, obviously for obvious reasons.  So that on you, give it back. Well, we'll meet to John's apology before we go to the break. John, apologize. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for my forebears 300 years ago. I mean, anyone would think that you can be guilty in the actions of your ancestors. This is like being crucified, but what Eve did, isn't it? Yeah. If anybody's going to apologize, we should turn it over to Dredd. He's Canadian. Actually, I will be in favor of taking a very accurate plaster cast of these artifacts, keeping them in the British Museum and giving the Greeks back the old ones. Nobody would know the difference. Most people don't even know they aren't looking at the copy of the monolith. Different colors, different colors. Guys, how about this? We'll come right back after the break. We'll go to John, Larry, and then George Brown and myself's Surgeon General Warnings for books. What was the question? And then we'll refresh you on the break. No problem. Guys, Larry, why don't you take us out? Okay. Stay tuned for the second half of the Digital Freethought Radio Hour and WOZO Radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee, because we'll be right back after this short break. Welcome back to the second half of the Digital Freethought Radio Hour. I'm Dr. Five and we're on WOZO Radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. Let's talk for a minute about the Atheist Society of Knoxville. ASK was founded in 2002. That makes us having our 20th year now, and we have over 1,000 members, almost 1100 now. We have weekly in-person meetings in Knoxville's Old City at Barley's Taproom and Pizzeria every Tuesday around 5.30 and go to about 8 o'clock. Look for us inside at the high top tables or outside on the deck if the weather is pretty. We're usually the loudest and happiest group. Tuesday nights also see us having a Zoom meeting for those who don't live in Knoxville or just don't want to get out. If you want to join us, email us. Ask an atheist at KnoxvilleAtheist.org or let's chat SE at gmail.com and we'll send you the link. You can find us on Facebook, Meetup, or KnoxvilleAtheist.org, which is our home page, your home site. By the way, if you don't live in Knoxville, you should still go to Meetup and do a search for an atheist group in your town. Don't find one, start one. Wombat, where do you want to pick up? Hey, we're talking about putting Surgeon General Warnings on holy books and what we would put as a warning label on those books. That's the topic of the show. I saw John getting really excited about a comment. Let's hear it. Well, I think we shouldn't just restrict it to health warnings. I think we should do like Amazon does, recommendations. Oh, nice. So it would be for the Bible. It would be people who bought this also bought a God's dimension. I like it. Very good. I like that. I like that. I like that. I love that, actually. As soon as we can go with that. Dred, what's up? Well, I just wanted to point out my gospel, the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster. And I would say the Surgeon General's warning should be may cause jocularity. Yes, jocularity. And it may cause one to not take oneself so seriously. Sure. May also increase chances of eating pasta, right? That is honestly the most damning thing anyone can say about the book. May increase carbohydrate intake. Which can still be balanced with the proper nutritious meals, but you still have to be aware. My Surgeon General warning for the Bible is never near as good as your guys is. Mine was pretty simple. It's just is not a cure for death.  There's no way out of it. And if you want to think something else afterwards, that's fine, but like make the point clear is not a cure for death period. Larry, what do you think? Oh, sure. Sounds good to me. Since souls have never been proven to be existent anyway. Anyway, my sticker would say may contain mythical beasts and unproven stories presented as true and may lead to gullibility, self-harm and paranoia. Self-harm and paranoia. Not to mention lots of other things. As a side note, the stickers won't help if your indoctrination begins well before you can read. So here's another recommendation if you if you like, if you're if you're ready for another one. Yeah, there's people who bought this this Bible also bought the audacity of hope. I get the pun.  Again. Yeah. The the the weird thing is so there's a surgeon general warning on cigarettes right now, but there's still cigarette smokers, right? And I think I think what we're trying to take away here is, you know, we weren't going to be able to stop people from smoking by putting a label on it. But I think what we can do is to help to increase honesty for like the next generation or put some sort of inhibition for people who may come into the religion in in Georgia sense without the indoctrination and just being like, oh, what are all these guys doing here? Maybe I'll hang out with these guys every Sunday. It seems nice. And then they read the book and they're like, Oh, what? You guys see this on the book? We don't talk about that label site. Oh, okay, I'm just going to put this book down. See you guys next. See you guys later. Maybe at the disco. But you've got to call on me. Well, I don't have very much to add because I figure I should know what I'm talking about if I say anything. But I don't know what I'm talking about. Because every time I've as I've mentioned before, every time I've tried to read the Bible, I fall asleep. So I really don't know a whole lot about what's in it because I slept through the whole thing. So it's like, you know, did you see this movie?  It goes Somnia. I don't have much more to add. I don't have much more to add. May cause insomnia. Red pirate Higgs. I was going to say that, you know, sometimes warning labels actually let or kind of give a pass to those who promote them. For instance, like cigarette companies can now say, well, the warning label on the thing gets us off the hook for any any harm caused by our products because you were fully warned of the consequences and and took your own risks. So I don't know. Maybe it lets them off a hook a little bit. But, you know, we shouldn't only focus on the on the Bible.  So, you know, the Quran could be the warning could be made lead to total submission of your will to an invisible friend. So I'll throw this out. The Bible banned in Boston. Cool. To the extent that the Bible or that cigarette companies put a label on them and it relieves them of some liability, absolutely of some liability, but they're not going out of their way to find kids and put cigarettes in their mouth. Does that make any sense? Like most people who get cigarettes go out, purchase them, and on their own volition put them in their own mouths to smoke on their own choice. Whereas religion will select specifically if you ever seen a little atheist news review, there are there's plans to go into schools and try to get kids. There's parents who take their kids without a second thought and let them go away to Sunday school where they get told these stories over and over again, as if it was nonfiction, you know, like where they're around their peers and they have to be blessed in front of the church or take holy bread and pretend it's a body and drink grape juice for pretend it's blood. Like it's a cultivated action of non-consensual movements and plans that force people into this religious structure. What's up, John? Well, using your smoking analogy, we've talked before about having an age limit, haven't we? Saying that something to the extent that the Bible should be restricted like movies are with categorization and what they've done in New Zealand is they've set an age limit for purchase of cigarettes, which goes up a year every year. So if you're 14 now, you will never be legally able to buy cigarettes. Really? That's funny. That's brilliant. Hey, that's not a bad thing to do. I mean, honestly, here's everybody out of it. Yeah, what's up, Dred? Well, you know, a lot of TV shows and stuff you see on the TV will be prefaced by viewer discretion as advised, you know, the program contains violence and harsh language and all kinds of violence and all kinds of stuff. So it should be reader discretion as advised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Parental control switch. Larry, I see you. What's up? Yeah, I was just going to say that warning labels like this are available. I think FFRF has some on their shop. And it's easy to make warning labels. Make a whole sheet of them real quick. Yeah, you know, I wish there was a label that I could make that could just succinctly explain evolution in like maybe like a two by four sticker. And I can go into like the what is the University of Kentucky or I'm sorry, Tennessee, Knoxville, I'm sorry, University of Tennessee, and then University of Kentucky and go into those bookstores where I saw that the the descriptor of the capital C creator in the biology textbooks and just like hard sticker like on the cover like, hey, by the way, this is an accurate read these things or scan this QR code and you'll understand how actual the pillar of biology actually operates. This is second law of biology. I like that. All right. Guys, I'm going to have to pick on atheist textbooks as well, because we can we can sit here and bash on religion all day long, but that gets old fast. So, Eric, I know you've read a number of thoughtful critical books. What kind of surgeon general warning would you put on any of the ones that you consider your favorite? And I'll throw out my own as well. All right, that's a good question. Do not read this book on a plane if religious, or maybe that's the first thing that comes along because I've done that and I've had, you know, sideways looks from people because I'm looking at, you know, I'm reading, you know, God is not great on an airplane and I got people looking at me and I'm just like rolling this boat together. But maybe a warning that warning this book may may change your mind, warning this book may change your doctrination, warning this book may change things that you feel so strongly about and and and don't understand how you could get out of it. Something that somebody can work to cause discomfort in a way that leads you to more comfort. Not just because it's five o'clock and I've had a cocktail already, but it's something that as you read it, as you read it, you may get very uncomfortable, but it also starts to shed some things you never felt comfortable with before. Yeah, if anything, it's like read with either atheist friends or like seek atheist friends. Right. Because that's that keeps you good. Dredd, quick to you and then John, what's up? Yeah, well, I was gonna say, Dada's Trading Room and Loma are both watching live right now. So they say hi. Hey, but Dada's Trading Room said of the Bible that a thorough reading of this book may potentially lead to atheism. Yeah. There you go. There you go. Good one. May cause atheism. That's great. I love that. That's good. Yeah, because honestly, that's how I got out by reading the actual book. I didn't just believe it, but I actually read it. I was like, oh, whoa, what's some intelligence? Like you have to actually like understand how to treat people and then you read the Bible.  You shouldn't lie to me. I think this guy killed that dude. And I had one for atheism as well. Go for it. Go for it, Dredd. Then John may cause may may cause better critical thinking skills. If you if you read these critical thinking books, is that what you're saying? Okay, yeah, because atheism books around atheism tend to apply these various philosophical razors to various religious beliefs, and that leads to clear thinking. In a more of a cheeky sense, though, it also causes mental exhaustion because if you're not used to critical thinking, it's a muscle you haven't exercised before, and you are going to be exhausted by the amount of thinking you're going to have to do after reading this book.  John, what do you think? Warning, you're reading this book in certain company risks being shunned. Social pressure may cause social shutting may cause trying to get better friends. So you know, it's weird, because I would also throw out not social shunning specifically, but getting asked questions that you may not necessarily feel like you have the the need to answer or privileged answers. We ask about question asking questions, but like whenever I've told people I'm an atheist or I've had a atheist book that I was reading, I have had people randomly come up to me and be like, well, how the universe get created. I'm like, dude, if I was reading, you know, Narnia, you wouldn't come up and just randomly ask me that, like, why can't I just enjoy a good book? Like, why do you have your way to be like, well, explain to me the nature of humanity in a row? It's like trees. I'm just reading a book. Come down guys. Like, why is my hobby mean? I have to now explain the universe to everybody. It's the only hobby, the only position where you have to immediately answer the follow up question of how did the universe get created? It's the only one. No one else asked that. I'm a plumber. Okay, that's well, if you're a member of another religion like Buddhism or exactly Islam or something, they wouldn't ask you that because they would assume you have an answer and it's based on your religion. I worship Thor. Oh, okay, that's fine. I'm an atheist. Well, I got questions for you, son. All right. George Brown, second half, I say it with your hands up. What was up? Go for it. I just, I would, the label I would put on the Bible would be enjoy a pork burger with cheese whilst wearing a mixed fabric shirt. Eat more bacon. Guys, there's a, this isn't so much of a book, but I also think some media outlets could observe certain general warnings. And one of the ones that I really was paying attention to, I haven't really caught up with it in the last couple of years, but the atheist experience, when I was working in Sweden, that was like my playlist from the day into the day out, because I was Christian when I flew out to Sweden. But I think, or at least I would say I was, but I think the pressure that was released off of me from being in a social climate where everyone was Christian and were openly atheists, let me be able to listen to things that I wasn't, that I didn't feel like I could listen to out loud when I was in the States, particularly in Georgia, even Atlanta. And so when I was watching the atheist experience, I was finding myself asking the same questions that the callers were asking, atheist experiences, a call in show where you can talk to a couple of atheists who are very well versed in dealing with apologetics and people who claim that they believe in God for very bad reasoning. And then by the end of the show, the, the callers always get angry and hang up, but they never made a good point. And when you hear the points enough times, you realize that's the same call. That's almost like the same argument that that last guy used. And it's not any better than it was this time. And it's the same argument that I was using. And it's not any better since I've still had it. So, you know, it goes back to what Eric was saying, may cause discomfort, may cause realization that you're wrong. And, and then actually, here's my last surgeon general may actually, may actually make you enjoy the feeling of being wrong. Is there a, is that, is that even a word? Like, when you realize you're wrong, it's a good feeling sometimes. It's a good start for the number of finding the next level of truth, you know what I'm saying? It tells science works. It's not being wrong. I hate it being wrong, but now I'm like, Oh, I kind of like being wrong. Now, now I know it. Now I can get rid of it and check it and get a better idea. So here's one for the, the God delusion then. Warning, could destroy dogma. Good. Yeah. Dred, you. Yeah. So I just wanted to, Dada's training room, he's on a roll here. He said, for atheistic book, warning, this book may leave you with more questions than answers. Oh, Dred. Oh, I'm sorry. The book of questions. May leave you with more questions than answers. Questioning is good. You know, that is the point. That's essentially science in a way.  And, and that's never a bad thing to have more questions. You can still get answers is that's a beautiful thing. But honestly, what science is about is not so much answers, but explanations. And the explanations while, while nominal and based off models are so broad in what they answer are comprehensive that you're going to have questions about, okay, well, what's the next step about this part? What hasn't been answered yet? What's kind of ambiguous still? I want to know as much as I can with this system. It's really great. Guys, let's see. I think we did a really good round table. I'm just going to do a quick summary of some of the highlights that we had in the show. And then we can get the plugins. So may certain general right right labels for holy books may cause raised expectations to unrealistic levels may lead to excessive belief and invisible friends may also lead to chronic episodes of hypocrisy. Make sure to use your best cherry picker. And this gives you a gold plated reason to stop thinking also may contain imaginary mythical figures or lead to increased delability and self-harm. And then I think one of the best ones we got from the listener comments for sure is may cause atheism. Love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. That if I was going to get one, we have any listener questions this week. Oh, dang it. Dang it. Dang it. I didn't even set it up though. I would like to give a shout out to free thought channel who said great show guys. Thank you so much. I think that came from you, John. Appreciate it. We got we have listener comments. All of them are unfortunately very long. I don't think we have the time, but we will jump back into them first start next episode. Sound good? Okay, sure. For now, how about this? We'll do a close up session. John Richards, where can we find all of your many channels and antics going on? Well, it's all on free thought channel. I've shortened the name from free thought productions channel to free thought channel. Free thought channel. I like it. Yeah, in a nutshell. So it's been going on and I've now got more assistance. So for example, tonight's global atheist news review featuring Dredd and Ty and other opinionated panelists will actually not be hosted by me for the first time. We have my co-host Tersia Duplessis in the chair. She will be providing you with the items to react to. Very, very nice. Enjoy. I also like how South African names sound like Azuk Asimov characters in sci-fi novels. It's really, really great. I think there's an inspiration there, but anyway, Dredd Pirate Higgs. How do we find your program? How do we find your program? Go to YouTube free thought channel. Cool. Yeah. Make sure you can find my channel at Mind Pirate on YouTube, M-I-N-D-P-Y-R-A-T-E. I live stream this show when I'm on it every Sunday at 7 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time. And I also, when I'm on the Global Atheist News Review, I live stream that at 11 a.m. on Sunday PDT. So if you go there, please like and subscribe. And thank you. Nice. Also, just a super highlight shout out to the show. We got calls from England, Canada, and Greece. Wow. That's for the first time. Let's go. Yeah. Showing some respect. Eric, anything that you'd like to plug before next week? Yeah. Probably need to do this and say, here is my view. Beautiful. Awesome. You guys, we got all this. And then, oh, there's the order. Make sure. Greg, radio. Imagine that was hand built. Imagine that thing was hand built. It's bigger than all the buildings. I know, kidding. And yeah, by volunteers. Yeah. But yeah, thanks for letting me pop on today. I'm sorry if it was a distraction. No, no, no. Good conversation. That's good to have you. Yeah, we're happy to have you anytime. Let's see. George Brown to one slash to th anything you recommend we check up before next week? You did. You're muted. I'm just trying to practice my livery. I said, every time you wear. I'm sorry. I have a cough switch on this microphone. It was pressed every time you asked me that I I forget what I was going to say. So it's okay. There might be a rain down before the show. That's what I remember. He'll remember it just before about the clothes. Okay. That's a great channel. I forgot what I was going to say. There you go. Okay, so you can check out my stuff on let's chat. It's this YouTube channel. If you're watching the video, it's YouTube. Let's chat. And I have these videos, but I'm also just, you know, having a good time, enjoying talking with my friends on a regular basis. This is some of the highlights of my weekend. And so Larry, anytime you want to close up the show, I'm totally good. But please explain to me what atheism is and what it's all about. Because I still a little confused about that. I happen to have written a book about that. What? Yeah. What's your personal general warning on it? Oh, question everything. No, my book is called Atheism. What's it all about? It's available on Amazon. My company's from my website. I mean, my internet content can be found at digitalfreethought.com. Be sure to click on the blog button, because we have all of our radio shows there archived. We have some Atheist songs and many articles on the subject of atheism. On YouTube, you can find me by searching for Douter 5, Larry Rhodes, or Digital Freethought, either one. You can find the show on Apple iTunes, Pocket Cast, Amazon, or Podcasts everywhere. Just search for Digital Freethought Radio Hour. If you're having trouble leaving religious beliefs behind, go to recoveringfromreligion.org. You can find help there. Thank you for watching and joining us on the Digital Freethought Radio Hour. Remember, if you're watching this on YouTube, be sure to like and subscribe.  The time to worry about it is when they prove that heavens and hells and souls are real. Until then, don't sweat it. Enjoy your life and we'll see you next week. Say bye, everybody. Bye, everybody. Bye, bye. Bye, everybody. Bye, bye.


Hi and welcome to the session. I am Asha and I am going to help you with the following question which says show that the sum of m map plus nth term and m minus nth terms of an AP is equal to the twice of mth term. Let us now begin with the solution and let first term of an AP is equal to A common difference is equal to D and we have to show that sum of m plus nth term is denoted by A m plus n plus its sum of m minus nth term is equal to twice the mth term so two times of AM.   Now plus mD cancels up with minus mD and we have 2A plus 2 mD minus 2D or we have two times of A plus mD minus D or we have two times A plus m minus 1 into D and this is the mth term of the AP so this is equal to two times of AM and thus we have A m minus n that is the sum of m plus nth term and m minus nth term is equal to twice the mth term is equal to the mth term so this completes the session take care and bye for now.