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People, listen, kids understand we're not able to sleep until until our kids are in the home or wherever they're supposed to be safe and sound. It helps us to sleep good at night knowing that our knowing that our progeny is doing well and being safe. And so praise God that all is good and all as well. That's another way of God showing his faithfulness and his grace to us. We don't deserve any of his blessings. Y'all do know that, right? We do know that every day that God allows us to see a new day, every day that he allows us to come home safely from our destination, there's someone who didn't. And we're not an exception. It's only by his grace and sheer grace and faithfulness and favor that allows us to be able to enjoy the creaturely conference that we have.  All of these little things that we consider and sometimes don't even consider someone would love to take our place. Don't get it twisted. Someone would love to take our place. And so thank God that every day that he allows us to do what we love to do, do what we've been called to do. And sometimes do what we have to do is by his grace and his by his strength. And so let us never, ever forget that. So many of you all in the YouTube chat, thank you all. I'm just going to call your names out and see if we can get this live started. Got my brothers in the waiting room already. No one believed God's word. Good to see you. Erica Fair, good to see you. Blazing Truth, good to see you. Who else we got here? Brother Daniel Everrill, good to see you, my brother. XX20, good to see you. Brother Isaac, good to see you. Blazing Torch. Brother Peony, what's going on, man? Brother David, pray for my brother David Collins. He's under the weather. Pray for him and his family. Let the Lord restore their health. Full recovery. Brother Keeno, good to see you, my brother. Brother Stephen. Brother Tommy. Man, my man, Scott. Good to see you, man. Of course, I got to put the misses on you, y'all. I'm biased. Good to see you. Good to see my rib. Who else? Of course, my brother Tessa, Mr. Testimonies. He's in the building waiting in the green room. Sister Nick, good to see you as well. Brother Proverbs, what's going on, bro? He said, let's get these... I got to put this one up. He said, let's get these likes up. Grypton ain't easy. But somebody got to do it, huh? Oh, man. Sister Man, good to see you. Hello, hello. Who else? Who else? Sister Shawn, good to see you. I think we have everyone so far. Any stragglers who come in, just welcome. Miss Hillary, good to see you, ma'am. Good to see you. Lady Saturn, good to see you as well. All right. Sister Ashley, what's going on, little sis? What's happening? All right. I think we're doing... Let's get everybody here. Brother Raymond, good to see you, my brother. Liberating troops, good to see you. Miss Jocelyn, how are you? God's army, good to see you, my brother. Fix your face, good to see you. Hello, hello. All right. And gracious me, all the way from across the other side of the world. How you doing, ma'am? Good to see you. Thank you so much. Miss Pam Thomas, good to see you, brother David. Good to see you over there on Facebook. But yes, let's get those lights up. Brother Gary, what's going on, man? Good to see you, my brother. All right. So, as you see, the title of this live is No Minor Issue, Not a Minor Issue. And it is not a minor issue. What we are talking about on today. Some of you may even think, okay, why is he beating a dead horse? I'm not beating a dead horse. I am not. I really am not. I really am not. This is an issue I believe that has to be addressed. And so people are asking questions. And what I don't want to do, I don't want to be the one of the ones who stifles or who hinders or doesn't allow people to be able to share to share their concerns whenever the opportunity avails or presents itself. And so, you know, we have guests in the in the green room and I want to give them that opportunity to respond to what has been taking place these past few weeks and to have dialogue. I believe that is important for us to have dialogue. I believe that we should be able to do that and to be respectful with that. And so the encouraging thing for me is that although we have our disagreements at times, so we can still disagree in the spirit and disagree peacefully and even keep it moving if things reach an impasse. And so I'm encouraged by having these two brothers on to be able to have a conversation regarding the the prevalent issue and pressing issue that is facing us in the body of Christ regarding Cory Minor, myself and others who have been, you know, judged by both ministries, I know but there is a divide and people want answers and I believe people deserve answers. I don't believe if we have public platforms and we say things, we should keep them out of the loop or keep them in the dark. If I say something publicly, then I should be able to be held accountable for the things I say publicly and not hide or deflect or deter from dealing with those things. But I want to say this as well and I want to bring my guests on. I want to cover just one or two more things. One is I received an email this afternoon and I want to make something clear and I'm not trying to be smart, I'm not trying to be, you know, snarky or whatever the case might be but I want people to understand first and foremost, I appreciate the correspondence I appreciate people's interactions I strive to respond to the comments that you make on the YouTube channel comments that people make on my Facebook page even on Twitter, Instagram any of my platforms, I try to do my best to respond and comment when people are responding to content and videos that I do. I just believe it's a sign in a way of showing appreciation when you are able to do so. But it's just me, okay I'm on who one person, I don't have a staff we don't have a staff a paid staff of people that can respond to all of our messages, respond to emails respond to direct messages and texts and calls and all that kind of stuff. It'll be nice it'll be nice but you got to start somewhere, right? And so I just want to say thank you for those who have taken time to respond and to share their thoughts about the videos and the content that we do it shows that you're watching it, it shows that you're engaged and we really do appreciate that as well. But I also want to say one more thing as well as we're talking about videos and content. My wife has a video that's going to be premiering tomorrow on the Love, Life and Marriage channel Men, it's not for you we don't deal with this issue, we don't struggle with this issue we don't experience this issue. We may in a second hand way if we're a husband's experience this issue with our wives but it's directly for women whether you're married, single doesn't matter. Young, old my wife has a video that's going to be premiering tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Central Standard Time and it's titled Menopause What They Don't Tell You and that's just one of many videos that she's going to be premiering and doing in the upcoming weeks but tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. on the Love, Life and Marriage channel. If you have not subscribed to that page, if you haven't subscribed to our channel please do so, that way when we put out the content and information you'll be one of the first to view it as well. So ladies I would encourage you to mark your calendar tomorrow put it in your reminder, put it on your phone my wife is going to be coming in and she's coming in with the information, she's coming in with the facts and so I would encourage you to join her and also please leave a comment in the chat leave it in the video comment section as well too we really appreciate that and it helps us to know what other topics and things we can address and share but this one is personal because my wife she's experiencing that and so she wants to share her story share her experience with you ladies, your sisters on the live on tomorrow actually premiere, premiere but she'll be there to interact, she'll be there to respond and all of that and so tune in tomorrow at 10 a.m. center standard time, Love Life, Master of the Woods on YouTube now back to what I was saying so this situation that I'm about to address now are for people because there are some people that get an attitude or feel entitled to you thinking or they thinking that you are supposed to respond when they think you should respond now again, this is not a dig against those who are who really understand this is to remind some of you who have this entitlement mentality that just because we have a channel or just because someone puts contact information doesn't mean that they are obligated to respond to you immediately especially when it's just them by themselves or especially when they have other responsibilities and life happens right I mean I reached out to people and I reached out to other content creators and other people that make videos and I don't copper attitude because I know life happens I know people are busy and some people may not want may not want to engage but I never want to assume ill will or impugn someone's motives because they don't respond in a time that I deem and that I expect for them to respond so I want to read this email and I want this to go on record I'm going to I'm not going to mention the individual's full name I'll just call him Mike I'll just call him Mike so Mike emailed me and first he commented on one of my videos earlier today and said that I was wrong for how I treated a particular fellow content creator well by the name of Alex Pagani this this I would say brother I guess this brother for all intents and purposes this brother took issue with my content and said that I was wrong and that I need to I need to stop tripping and all that kind of stuff and I'm like okay what are you talking about and so he basically feels like I'm slandering Pagani and that I'm misrepresenting Pagani and so then he emails me I forgot about this gentleman's email this is how long it's been it's been almost over a month almost a month I think he would take so of course I have very intent and purpose to respond to people as soon as I can unfortunately this this this young man took issue with me and so he says this I'm not even going to populate the name I want to read it to you he says I agree with Pagani biblically on the casting out of demons I don't give money to his ministry if that answers your question because I asked him are you a supporter do you support Alex Pagani to drive his ministry he says but with all due respect it looks like you are doing the same thing Corey Miner does well what is that I'm glad you asked he says if someone is not as famous or have a big following you don't want to talk because it won't drive your numbers and yet you boldly say on air you'll talk or debate he continues and says I'm sure if I was Pagani already however it's all good this communication with you is done privately for a reason I hope it stays that way until or unless we actually talk well probably not probably not I'm gonna use this email as a lesson to all of you those of you who have the mentality and philosophy as Mike does he says I get you may be busy don't be snare by the words of your own mouth say Pagani is ducking you and so I took time out of my busy schedule he emailed me at 244 central standard time I stopped what I was doing you know because I don't I don't get paid to talk to him I get paid to talk to you guys I get paid to create content I get paid information and data and research and presented to you the viewer that's what I get paid to do and so I stopped what I was doing I stopped preparing for this live to respond to this gentleman you wanna know what I said y'all really wanna know what I said does anyone care to know what I said to this brother because I don't want to take any more of your time you know because I don't want you all to go through the pain and the suffering of hearing my response to Mike you wanna hear it huh I'm pretty sure you did so here's what I said I said let me say this to you and after this I'm done conversing with you regarding this matter I said first of all I'm under no obligation to call you to respond to your emails and any other correspondence the fact that you believe I am exhibits pride and an entitled mindset that people like yourself display when others don't do what you expect them to do second due to the daily influx of emails texts and other forms of communication your email isn't the only message that comes across my desk on a daily basis therefore any lack of communication or response is not intentional and takes time for me to respond like I'm responding to your email now third for you to assume your motives and impugn my character just because I didn't respond to your email or call you is a violation of the ninth commandment unless you're the fourth member of the trinity and know the inner recesses and catacombs of a man's heart you do well to repent of making assumptions without actual evidence and facts Proverbs 18 13 and I said FYI I've invited a guest who has zero subscribers and followers on my channel tonight to discuss Cory Myrner's change position regarding John MacArthur so much for having a quote unquote big following huh shaking my head I'll be sure to read your email tonight this entitlement mindset will be reminded that life doesn't revolve around their desires and expectations don't worry your name will be withheld to protect the guilty and arrogant currently I'm in the middle of preparing for my live broadcast tonight at 7pm central standard time but I stopped what I was doing which helped support my family and edifies others to respond to someone I don't know let alone hasn't sown contributed and or supported history lastly since your position aligns with Paganis I'd be interested in having a live conversation with you regarding this matter using scripture as the sole basis of authority again I will get back to you at my earliest convenience to schedule a broadcast date now back to work grace and peace I think I responded to him fairly well what do y'all think I didn't call him out of his name you know played a dozens with him or nothing but I responded to him according to what and how he responded to me so emerald you said if you aren't obligated to respond why is Corey because I don't know him and this is not the same thing emerald but thank you for asking but maybe if you tune in to the rest of the to the live you'll get the gist of why Corey is obligated to respond because of what Corey said but thanks for the question alright let's go for some scriptures and my guest is in the green room they're probably eating some donuts and coffee right now virtually but let's go to the let's go to our scriptures and lay out some foundation alright Psalm 141 verse 5 let the righteous smite me in kindness and prove me it is oil upon the head do not let my head refuse it and then of course Proverbs chapter 11 and verse 1 a false balance is abomination to the Lord but a just weight is his delight chapter 27 of the same book verse 5 and 6 better is open rebuke and sealed faithful are the wounds of a friend but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy Galatians chapter 2 verse 11 14 but when Cephas that is Peter came to Antioch I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned for prior to the coming of certain men from James he used to eat with the Gentiles but when they came he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof fearing the party of the circumcision the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy but when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel I said to Cephas that is Peter in the presence of all in the presence of all the bread of people and then lastly Galatians chapter 6 in verse 1 brethren If anyone is caught in any trespass you who are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of gentleness each one looking to of yourself so you too will not be tempted One of the read the scriptures cause I want really had this in our hearing because we address topics like this stuff up. I don't think people are thinking that oh Seiko's attacking this brother. Seiko hasn't asked the ground. Seiko. Seiko. Seiko. No, I don't No, I don't I want to hold our brother core to the same standard by which he has held other people to No one is exempt from Correction when they are out of pocket nobody And if we're going to hold people like Pagani in south of our and marcus rogers and everyone else You know on the heretical side accountable Then we better make sure we hold ourselves accountable Otherwise we'll be hypocrites first Peter 4 17 says for judgment must begin first in the house of God It starts with us before it starts with anybody else. So I want to bring my two guests on and I thank them for their patience Both of these brothers have Have been invited to come on They have expressed their desire to talk and to address and to discuss These issues that we are that we are now dealing with right now And and I would love to hear from some some sisters some women I know the men pretty much are like, you know been been more vocal about it But if you are a sister and this has affected you Uh, you're more than welcome to to come on to this channel and to come up and we can have a conversation It's not it's not to be adversarial But I want people to understand that you know, um, we're brothers and sisters in christ And so I I avail my platform for brothers and sisters and individuals who who want to have And and would like to have a hearing and to and to share their concerns as well too So sisters, don't feel that you're left out Don't feel as though you can't if you would like to please Email me sacred wizard yahoo.com and and we can try to set something up But anyway, uh, without any further ado, uh, I want to bring on brother dan and brother darin Welcome to the broadcast brothers appreciate you all and uh Thanks for holding and thanks for joining. How y'all doing? Good brother second. How you doing? We're going on man. What's happening? What's going darin? Did he fail? Did he fall? There we go Okay, because you good on you you was good at first there, right Let's see Trying to wind it up here All right, there you go. Hey, brother. Let me let me let me say this real quick. Absolutely.  Sure. No, I wrote I wrote to michael jordan back when I was like 13 asking for a jersey and he never got back with me. So I'm kind of salty about that too so You a figure a fan of mj. He would get back with me.  So you so you haven't let it go, huh? I couldn't let it go. I was gonna say look, I was gonna say Isaiah thomas, but Don't do that. Don't don't see I thought we was cool, man. I thought it was cool. I got nauseous Oh man, well, man, I'm glad to have you guys on Um, um, dan you you're you're not it's not your first time you've been on before I think it's your third. It's your third one. I believe I got some video remixes out there. You know, I'm I'm out there Yeah man Good good, man. Like I said, I'm glad I'm glad you came on man. I'm gonna have a great conversation. Dan. What about you, man? You good I'm good, brother. I'm darryl. Not darryl. Oh, you know what? Bro, I had your name right the first time then Yeah, you did Dang it. So it's darryl. Okay. My father, man All right. So hey listen, so, um, I'm gonna start with you dan introduce yourself Let people know a little bit about yourself, man And uh, and what brings you on and then and then uh, darryl, you can come right in after him. Go right ahead All right. Yeah, so, uh, i'm dan brown. Uh, most of you in the chats I correspond to most most of you and you know me in the chats is testaments and testimonies testimonials. Excuse me That's just My handle for the channel that you know, I'll start in the near future um A little bit about about me, of course in the military, uh for some years now I've been following Or been corresponding with uh, brother psycho here for I don't know. What's going on about two years now Also, you know, follow court court monitor as well, um and uh everything and And uh, just really here to to hash out and give another perspective of uh, what what we talk about Just to let you guys know We we do have a group of brothers that we hold each other Accountable for the most part a lot of part a lot of it is a lot of gift gift sharing. Oh, yeah Hey, whatever, but uh, we we definitely definitely hold hold each other accountable For what we say and do um and and share ideas. So uh, just put that out there and everything but god bless you and like I said, uh It's a pleasure and a blessing to meet brother Daryl here and uh, look forward to conversating tonight about the issue Appreciate it All right Daryl, what's going on man? If you know about yourself, let me know what you're here for I'm here to clear the air brother. I I think I put uh I gave you some questions. You kind of know where I stand already I'm maybe the people that don't they don't know where I stand. I just want to make sure We're all doing it right. So I got questions. I want understanding Um Did you want to brief over you and me? Is that what you were asking for? Yeah, yeah, let people know a little bit about yourself, man Okay, uh I'm a father of four wonderful kids that I surely don't deserve um Just wonderful wonderful kids and I'm blessed to have them in To be my children and uh, I've raised them. I got one left at the house and then I'm done for the most part Pretty much no better. I'm probably not done. Uh, I've been a believer since I've been a young man before I was 10 I think I'm seven or eight years old before the Lord my Lord said hey, let's get you right. I said yes, sir baptized at 13 years old, uh, you and I is doctrine pretty much lines up 100% uh for the most part as far as I can tell My goal here tonight Is to answer questions get understanding And hopefully edify someone if not just Amen Appreciate it. Now your mic is going a little bit in and out though to uh, to Darryl So make or make sure it's your sound is good. You you were fine at first It's a little bit of it was a little bit of uh, you know breaking it on the mic a little bit, but uh, I just want to make sure everybody hears you clearly so all right, so Okay, okay, no problem. Let's want to make sure it was good on that. So anyway guys, so what I what I wanted to do is I want to play Um, play some clips you may have seen them before but I I have not and most of my viewers have not heard your response Or your reaction may be verbally Um, and even maybe some of you I've never even seen your comments about it. So um, so none of these clips are are new Um, and some of them may take a different effect if you have had a different opinion or view about it But what I want to do is I want to play some clips and on each side of the clips on other side of the clips I want to hear your response and get your reactions to it and uh, of course feel free to ask Ask any questions to me or even to each other In the uh in the panel and then also I'll try to populate some some of the comments, uh as well To make sure that um people if they have any questions or comments that you will be able to see them on the screen So, um, your brother's ready Yes, sir. All right. Let's get it first one You really expect the pastors and the church even though we don't think that they should we actually do expect them to make Yeah, and julie royce. She she does have an axe to grind. That doesn't necessarily mean that what she said was true I mean or was true or false. Actually, am I a fan of Joe, which am I a fan of julie royce? No, I think I think she clearly has an axe to grind Does that mean that what she says is wrong everything that she says is wrong? No, I don't think that I don't think so either But now do I think that her doctor clearly not All right. So those those first two clips you hear, um In my opinion Contradictions, that's just my opinion. I mean you've already heard what I've had to say about it, but you brothers may have a different View or different take on it. And so I want us to have have a conversation. So, uh, let me start with you first there um What did you think about about brother cori's? Statement on those on those two clips there I only saw one clip. I didn't see two. Maybe I missed it. Um I felt like I want to make sure I say it the right way, you know, um I want to check my notes. I want to make sure I keep everything in order here. So I don't mess up. No problem Can you replay that clip just so yeah, yeah, I'll play them both again. I run them both back I run them both back We really expect the pastors and the church even though we don't think that they should we actually do expect them to make Yeah, and julie royce. She does have an axe to grind. That doesn't necessarily mean that what she said was true I mean or was true or false. Actually, am I a fan of Joe, which am I a fan of julie royce? No, I think I think she clearly has an axe to grind Does that mean that what she says is wrong everything that she says is wrong? No, I don't think that I don't think so either But now do I think that her doctor clearly not Okay, I I didn't hear him. I didn't understand the last part of what he said is he saying doctrine there Doctrine. Yes. Yes. Doctrine. Yes I don't know her doctrine. I don't know it all about that. I haven't looked too much into that. I've read a few articles She's written so I can't speak on on the doctrine side axe to grind so and I've already posed this question to you but When I hear him say axe to grind and I hear you say That's a sin to me That's what I look at it as a factual statement. He if somebody has an issue with somebody else They have an axe to grind if my water bill shoots through the roof Right, I got an axe to grind with the water department until I figure out what's going on Yeah, I mean, yeah And so I don't know how that sin I didn't understand that uh And what else did he say in that bit? He said, um Clearly she got an axe to grind. Is he a fan of hers? Uh, he said no, so I don't know He's just not a fan of hers. I don't know what you want me to say on that No, so so this this because these are just the first two clips. These are kind of like the primers Uh, because later on yeah, because later on he He contradicts himself And you'll you'll hear it But I just want to make sure I'm fair with what you heard so far If there was any if any issues with this one so far Clear he said he's not a fan Yes Okay, and he had he said Clearly he said clearly she has an axe to grind Yes Okay, and is that did I read that right? No, you read it right. Perfect. Yep. Yep on point on point Uh, Dan, what about you? Yeah, so I think we'll start with the axe to grind right um To me I think We all got an axe to grind right Especially if you read if you read this case everybody should have an axe to grind um And you know some research I was doing earlier. I mean we all had an axe to grind when Churches were getting shut down because of covet right right so The the issue is saying that though in the context that corey said it And I don't know if you meant this but this is the way it came came across when I was hearing it is You say an axe to grind it's immediate negative connotation to it, right? At least the way it comes across is okay. She's got axe to grind so she's not looking at She's not looking at the subject, you know clearly and and with the open mind She's she's trying to find the errors and trying to you know Accentuate the errors so when you say axe to grind it's already put in a dismissal of the dismissive error To anything that follows And and when you do that then you automatically either you know Putting all the The truth of information into a compartment and labeling, you know, julie royce You know, I'm gonna slide this to the side because you know, she has an axe to grind I'm not I'm not really gonna pay attention And you miss out on the actual true issue at hand in my opinion Gotcha So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play the other clip And then that'll provide more context to it because the reason why I played that one Most people have already heard these and then also None of this stuff is new But I agree what you said also Dan that I would encourage everyone to read the story I mean read the court documents rather not the story Excuse me, but the court documents because it provides a a much fuller context to to all of these To all of these matters that we're dealing with now And why I would say this too though there why people That have read the story Have read behind the scenes of what has gone on Haven't issue a brother quarry because the quarry of 2022 Is not the quarry of 2023 the quarry of 2022 Was basically and and I'll play the clips again But because I want to get ahead of myself But the quarry that we see now is not the quarry that we that we heard and we're standing and and supporting Then and we have yet to get an answer to and answer why Which creates more confusion and more frustration if that makes sense so far Okay, all right So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play the clips and it'll tie into what you just heard previously So let's run the next one And this is gonna be a this is gonna be a series of three clips and then we'll uh, I'll let you guys comment on the other side Here we go Let's let's just say this and I and I'll go ahead and and leave Let's just say she seems she seems credible on this story Let's just say though. Julie Roy's has it in for macArthur Let's say Julie Roy's has a dart board and at the very center of the dart board is a john mccarthur Right. Let's say all that is true It doesn't nullify the fact that what what what we do know is true. Exactly the man was convicted Yep So but again, we didn't have a problem when other other newscasts came out blasting Other christians, uh, the ravi because guess what sector sector immediate media got in on ravi Zacharias sector media got in on carlinds secular media got in on some of these other people the What's the what's the past in atlanta sending uh shots photos of uh the guys, uh, Oh, you talking about eddy long eddy long. Yeah when they get in Yeah, you have a problem with with the secular media call them out because well because of their motives We know that they're not for us. Right. Well, I mean Julie Roy's Julie Roy's should not have a job All of these church should do their job Therefore julie roy's couldn't report any of these nefarious, right or even legend nefarious activities, right? They're in lines of problem and i've said before every preacher is going to make a mistake They're gonna say something wrong do something wrong, right every single one That's why i'm doing the whole little series the the right and wrong of so-and-so Yeah, man If you all think that body bottom don't mess up and then then get rid of your bible Yep If you all think that john mccarthur that mess up get rid of your bible If you all think that paul washer or whoever else doesn't mess up if you all think that paul in the bible doesn't mess up If you think that peter doesn't mess up, right?  Ah, that's different He's the only one exactly. He's the only one and so when you guys get to idolize me. I don't idolize them Yes, you do if you do you couldn't even listen to an accusation against the person Well, I think we're rushing to judgment Didn't didn't john mccarthur Uh, I think we need more details Well, did he get all the details or did he did he make a a knee jerk response off of these people sound like he had more details than we know About So i'm also okay. I can't wait for julie to to have our next report All right, so those are the three clips. Um, hopefully that gave you a little bit more context to it Uh, but what are your thoughts about it dan? I'll I'll go with you first Yeah, I mean it's it's uh Um, it's interesting. Um, let's I think we always have to say this, uh In your videos now Uh, but but they won't they won't make the sound clip floored, but uh, you know, we we we absolutely love brother core Absolutely, we got that established and I think in the several lives that we've been on You know me being in the moderators we made sure That, uh, you know, the brother was not disrespected in in any means right right and again This is not the intention of us or anybody in here to You know try to discredit and you know ruin his ministry is is to bring him back Either to the truth or share the information that he's got with us, right, uh, so It the the huge issue here is is that you know, as you seen earlier In the in the in the videos that he did, you know a year or so ago uh Everything everything was laid out and you know, it was from the reports. The you know, it's from the court documents Yeah, they messed up.  Well, you know, no He caused damage it publicly, right you've caused damage and and it's highly Highly damaged uh to Eileen Gray and and her children Uh, but as well as the body because we're looking at this we're looking at the court documents We're looking at what you guys did And I think anybody with the ounce of discernment would say that just not right So, you know our question to Cory and we have yet to hear it from what I understand from you know Looking at his videos and researching back We've we yet to see why why the change? Why why did you why why are you changing?  What are you talking about? Right? So, yeah It's it's highly confusing and that's and that's the issue that we're trying to rectify here right and either way if he wants to stand With John McArthur or you know soft soften his tone on that that I mean that's your decision I'm not going to say it's right, but that's your decision But being that you're you know, you're you're essentially a public figure making public statements You kind of owe it to your audience and people that follow what you do You owe it to them to say This is the reason why right and and the thing I thought about, you know Yesterday actually and you know, it's The social media and you know the information age Um a lot of times, you know, you can go on youtube and type in how to right how to change the light bulb And you get two million different ways to change the light bulb, right? Right.  Amen Goes on youtube Types in john mcArthur or eileen gray or whatever the case would be And you and you get 10,000 different videos of saying whatever right and you're going with cori minor and you know, you see that That your go videos saying, okay, I understand what this brother's saying And then you follow his videos and then, you know, you're later you're like Okay, you just You changed, right? Yeah, you know you changed so What what's going on? So now again, you're causing the confusion that needs to be rectified, you know And that's that's kind of my take on it Got you there. What about you? I don't want to get too deep until you play all the clips because What I hear is hypotheticals and He said she seems credible That's what he said. He doesn't know if she's credible Seems credible. So so so and I'm not saying she's not credible. I have no idea. I'm saying that's what he In that video you just played it. She seems credible at this point So to me, he's staying somewhat neutral He did make the statement of If this is true, this is a problem. He said that continuously That's why I don't want to get too far. I'd rather all the clips be played Because my my my my argument is going to be based upon all of them and my assessment after watching all of them So I just feel like to me he stayed Because he doesn't know for sure If it's true Then yeah, this is what we need to do. We got an issue. We got to deal with it Now I will say this that that entire video Because you only play the clip and if you keep watching the whole video He made it clear at the end of the video If it's true He needs to step down Now we'll get to because I know you got more clips. Yeah Follow up statement to what I would just say I'm gonna say later But what I want to say is what I hear him saying is he's in agreement that the church messed up Okay, he's been in agreement with that and it needs to be dealt with I don't think he's changed his stance on that But what I hear in that clip right there you just played is more him being Unsure and not wanting to to be dogmatic On Barry this dude Because he said words like scenes. So I'm listening to the verbiage And when he stays neutral like I heard I don't got no skin in this game, brother. I don't I don't I'm subscribed to you needed the quarry needed this quarry But you but you do But you do We're gonna get to that later. Yeah I feel like he's staying He's staying pretty neutral in my my opinion the way I'm hearing him And that made me because I've listened to him for a long time and I kind of kind of understand His points of view on things. So I'm able to Understand what he's saying if he's not a hundred percent clear. You did what I'm saying I mean if you know somebody you know their heart, you know how they normally act so They may not be saying It clear for this dude But it's clear for the ones he knows. So it's faulted when I say no I mean people that are familiar with it. Yeah, I got I got you. Yeah, I just feel like he wasn't dogmatic Because he wasn't a hundred percent sure and he kept he kept saying I'm not sure If this is true, she got he's got to be dealt with we have to deal with this So that's my brother Go with the deer All all the videos out of then we're gonna open up the dialogue, but go ahead Go ahead Dan. Yeah, I don't I don't know if he I'm watching So brother dara, had you had you read the the actual court documents not, you know, video No, no, okay I'm just asking for clarification Yeah, no, no, I haven't read court documents. I've read a couple of miss royce's uh, uh, uh, only called blogs or Reports reports. Yeah Reports, uh, I read a couple of them. I didn't read a lot of them But and the reason why I didn't Is because I wasn't really focused on the j mac issue. I was more focused on your assessment Mr. Mr. Seiko your assessment of quarry. That's where I went because got you all of us that are believers He you ain't got to be a believer to to not feel for this woman. Exactly That's what and the other night when I was on the live you asked me that directly This was probably a week ago now when y'all banned me the first time That's answer that question would you go to the church blase and all that and I said and I told you the first answer was that's a dumb question, brother Because because obviously we're not gonna go To a church where abuse is being done. We shouldn't be Right, right, right It's obviously obvious So so I think okay, so let me let me ask you this. Have you seen have you seen any of any any of quarry's videos? Like any of these videos in in its entirety, uh, have you seen any of those? Regarding this particular. Yes. Yes. Like from from from 2022 Up to up to this year. I I've watched a lot. I can't say how many I've watched. Okay. I've watched A plenty of videos on this particular subject From quarry and you okay, so Watch fully is the review publicly Okay, so did you do you did you see or have you observed a Shift or a flip or a switch from quarry from 2022 to 23? Yes, but I want to get into that when you play out. No problem. I just want to make sure if you had Yeah, I just want to make sure if you had ever watched it, but that's what that's fine So, okay, so let's let's get into the rest of now these next series of clips is gonna be five Okay, because it gives you more of a of a flowing context and I want to break them up And then we'll come back on the other side and then I'll let you Let you go ahead and respond first then so here we go with the next one Am I or anyone else allowed to say anything about John McCarthy? Well, sure. We are sure we are All right, I'm not I'm not rebuking. I'm calling out an issue here I'm not saying John McCarthy off with your head. I'm saying we got a sir You got we got a serious problem to deal with and if you have done wrong According to this very same passage You ought to be you ought to be rebuked in the presence of all That mean that we're gonna kill you That mean that we're gonna, you know, get rid of your retirement stop your stipend No more royal teas or anything from the John McCarthy study Bible in the but no, that's what we're saying But we're just calling out and then you have to come back and say, you know what? I was wrong. I did wrong Here's here's why he should make a public profession not just to the church because we because John McCarthy is public Because we've got study Bibles that bear his name. We've got commentaries all these things There's grace in you and so if you want people to buy into your teaching not just your doctrine teaching But also your example. That's what has to happen That's what I'm really interested to hear because I know I know people On his side his team and heard about it Same here And they're going to be, you know, coming up with a defense I know the bible something we not even said yesterday that he's going to be responding In a day or two. Okay. I want to hear you know, you're responding to mine now You know, you're going to respond to my pose. I mean my media. Yeah, he is he is and so I want to just leave for me. I'm a I'm gonna wait a day or so But how I feel now Tells me you need to go ahead and step back You had a good run Might be time to go ahead and call it call it a day because you failed In one of your most basic one of your most basic criteria Yeah, you're supposed to protect your people, right And and and you didn't matter of fact, and I don't need you protect her I don't need you fail to protect her out. You put her out.  Yeah, and I know that If there's a if there's there these letters that are going out with the church's name Let's just be honest. Let's let's be clear. Yeah, if the church's name is on it. That's your name Exactly and ain't nothing moving ain't nothing. I know for a fact ain't nothing moving at grace church without macArthur Nothing nothing. He's made that clear. I've heard him say that himself the style of worship the the sage All of that and that's that's fine. God bless Eileen Yeah, yeah, that is If if if what I'm saying if I don't know If what julie says is true and I have no reason not to believe but if she said what she said is true That's an awesome woman. Mm-hmm. That is uh the way she handled things. That is an awesome woman If what julie royce said is true Every single person on the elderboard and I guess what I'm as a pastor now you got to go Absolutely. Yeah, I think absolutely John mccarthur if what if what was said is true. Yeah And there is no other side of the story Even if john mccarthur did not know Even if you didn't even if if what she said is true, you didn't meet with the woman That's bad. Right. And if you did not know That's bad. No if what she said is true You have to go John mccarthur is not the bad guy the boogie man the wrong guy. He is not He's not And you guys I think many you all are going to miss the boat and miss the blessing because you want to you want to go this route Now if i'm wrong i'm wrong, but i'm wrong for i'm wrong for showing that's you on tape so That's that's cori minor 2022 And now 2023 Uh john mccarthur needs to repent publicly. It's time to step back You you have to go Then he flips and says john mccarthur is not a bad guy. He's just showing grace We're gonna miss out on the blessing if we come at him the way we are And this is all this is all documented evidence. This is not anything that was doctored. He said this so Let me let me start. Who did I start with last time? Did I start with you first, uh, dan Okay, go ahead What exactly do you want me to respond to here? I mean, I've already said that he stayed fairly neutral on with the if statements. Um So I don't really have any too much commentary here. You would If that the last part at the end, I guess I didn't catch that because you just said, uh Did you say the last part of what cori said on that last video you repeated the end and I I guess They were showing grace showing he was he wanted to show grace grace to uh, macarthur Right, okay So it's seen So listening to that For whatever reason there is a pool I don't he has put he did pull back there and I don't disagree with his pullback on that Now are we done with the clips? No, no, we're not done with him. No I'm gonna get your reaction to what you've heard so far because what you've heard He one minute he said he needs to step down next minute. He says He doesn't Okay, but those were those were the right but that wasn't back to back. There was time in there was there was a difference of time in there So obviously something has transpired during this time for making to make him say A little different. What what is transpired? It's a great question. I I don't know Did he get some kind of information? This is stuff we've all y'all talked about already But that's what I'm gathering. He is for whatever reason. He's pulled back a little bit Now I I I would say that The way this is looking They didn't handle it right kicking this lady out the church publicly To be an abuse and two years later he's found guilty of Two types of abuse sexual and obviously physical, right? Right. Okay But we don't know all the facts and it seems like We don't we know what the evidence says as far as court documents and all that jail I get I get that but we can't we have we're not able to talk to as far as I know Are we talking anybody that was there during the time frame? I don't I don't know. I haven't heard anybody What I have heard is that The people that were supposedly working there aren't working there anymore. So It just seems like he was unsure Of the facts a year later Year prior he's hearing all this reading all this and he's knee jerking I felt like he knee jerk. He's like, yo, this is probably and then for whatever reason a year later. He's like, wait a minute I I don't know And then and so I want to ask you a question Sure, you said uh John mccarthur's not the bad guy. So I don't I was he responding to a question then He's making a statement. He was making a statement Okay, so okay because I watched that video a couple times trying to read through the comments And I was like there a question asked here Why did he have to say boogie man? Why did he have to say the bad guy? Did somebody say something in the comments? I couldn't find anything, right? Yeah, he was making a statement. He was just making a statement Okay, well Are you a bad guy if you don't take care of your flock?   Do you believe that he flipped so far from what you've heard? Do you believe he flipped do you believe that's a flip and I just went back And the reason why I say that is because at the you're gonna show the clips later He again says I'm not saying I'm not trying to exalt Say that mr. Mr. McQuart is innocent if he's wrong He needs to be dealt with we got a problem He's continued to say that throughout the whole thing and if it's found that he Then yes, they got to deal with it. Not so the first time he's got to go. That's what he said The last thing I heard was the church needs to deal with it if he did so he so he did he did I don't know. I can't say he flopped if he would have said he doesn't need to step down Did he say that? He said McArthur's not a bad guy. He said matter of fact. He said McArthur. He said McArthur, you know, doesn't Um, I don't know. I don't miss it. But he said but he said public repentance is not required anymore And this is all the yeah, this is all the context of this whole situation as well too, but go ahead Okay, the public the public repentance is I don't I can be honest with you I don't know much about what the bible says all about that. Like I don't have a a clear I'm not clear on that. I got you by about a pastor making a mistake What he should be done. So so I'm taking that as his opinion is He needs to deal with it publicly. So yes, as a matter of fact, you're right and I did write that down. He did flip on the public Apology, I don't understand Like you you saying I need to be public over here. Now you're saying well, don't get you don't have to do that So I don't know why he said that. Did he have a difference of opinion or he changes mind over time? I don't know and I don't think any of us know and I understand that causes confusion So and I want to say this The more I watch The more I do find discrepancies, okay The more discrepancies I find but see I want you to answer something though And I told you in the in the facebook messages my issue was The the axe to grind statement That is just because because all I gathered from you was he was in sin because of that Is is there more sin you think he's done than that that I have I've missed absolutely absolutely Yeah, I mean Yeah, see that the whole axe to grind statement the whole axe to grind statement Comes on the heels of him saying that even if julie roiss did have an axe to grind That's why he said in the beginning in the beginning clips He said even if julie roiss did have an axe to grind It doesn't matter because it doesn't take away from the truth of the report Now he flips Yes Then he flips and says that she does have an axe to grind and like dan was saying He's using it now in a negative context. He's not using it in a positive context Now he's using it in a negative context And I know that to be a fact because he said of how many reports That julie roiss has written about john macarthur In the 50 years that he's been uh in ministry, right? So I guess I don't fully understand what you mean by negative context of an axe to grind Meaning this let me let me explain then meaning meaning this meaning this In 2022 He said I wouldn't I don't care if she did have an axe to grind He said even if julie roiss has staked had a stake out in front of john macarthur's house He said he would not care About any of that. He said the question is if that is your defense He said if that is your defense by saying that she has an axe to grind This is what corey minor said He said if that if your defense is saying that that julie roiss has an axe to grind against john macarthur He said then you have no defense He said because that does not take away From the truth of the report that she has made regarding the The situation involving eileen gray and her children. That's what corey minor said Maybe i'm slow I'm trying to understand I'm trying to get you to understand Fully what you're saying because I'm looking at what corey's saying has been hypothetical the whole time So maybe maybe maybe that's my issue Because I see him fair. He is making bold statements, but with a hypothetical Verbiage he's and i'm not i'm not really good on vocabulary and expressing myself all the time, but that's fine I hope i'm being clear enough. I got you. Yes. He's pretty neutral. So yes He was making these bold statements, but he was also leaving it up to if this is true And and the way i'm gathering from corey now For whatever reason He he's not sure and I don't know why let me ask you let me ask you a question Sure, because you had you had said something a couple lives ago. You said um And I hadn't heard this on on the whole time this on this been going on You had a conversation with it. Yes, right? Yes during that conversation He disclosed That he had heard some things or learned some things about miss roiss That he wasn't and I don't think it was a positive thing. I think it was a negative right And so he that to me what I hear is him saying. Oh, okay, hold on I'm hearing something else from the other side and because I and I'm thinking I'm thinking like corey would think because it's how until I'm in it and I got everybody's story I just I can't make a dogmatic statement other than other than How he dealt with that lady If he the way he dealt with her After the fact it all comes out now.   There's issues there and I'm hearing new things that are coming out Yeah, there's issues there, but I just felt like corey just wasn't going to jump on that train fully at any time But he did He did. Yeah Which is why we have in this conversation the 20 the 2022 the 2022 corey is not the Let me put it. Let me put it in the in the in the verbiage of fat joe 2022's corey is not 2023 is corey Okay, yesterday's price is not today's price. So so corey that we see today Is not the corey that was going hard in the paint defending Defending uh, eileen gray and defending julie roiz's integrity and character What he was what he's doing now he he's now backpedal And in the information that he said that he has Or the or he matter he said the other side. He said there's an other side And so when I asked him I said what do you mean other side? Well, I'm not gonna go into all that I said, I already know what you're talking about corey I said, I know who you're talking about you're talking about the mob. You're talking about protesting them You're talking about you're talking about david moral in them.  It's my point. He has no evidence If we're going to say the court documents I'll put it this way if we if we're going to downplay the court documents Do we understand what that opens the door to that? That means we need to downplay The murder of imiteel because they had court documents We need to downplay the court documents of of I mean You see I'm saying so so so if the if the if there are witnesses And there's evidence and then and then you have a written testimony written confession by david gray Confessing that he's done this stuff. What did he do say go? What did he say? He molested his children. Okay. Hold on I didn't hear that. I never heard that all I heard was he he he He confessed to physical abuse of his wife to the church. I don't know So there's written documentation that he facts facts Okay, and corey knows that too And corey knows that too This is this is not this is not something that corey didn't know anything about corey knew this This is why people haven't an issue with this brother because he flipped After making these statements and after knowing What eileen gray went through after knowing what john macArthur did to this woman Knowing all of that knowing all of it Knowing and making the dog matter statement about john macArthur needing to step down now matter of fact Let me let me show you something real quick. I'm gonna show you. This is a this is a this is a uh, this is a statement from corey himself Um right here. Do you see that on the screen? I got a little lag. Uh, hold on. Yeah, okay Read read read that statement for me. Uh, dara read that statement At every reformed believer on youtube Join me in demanding that Read read it again, sir take two read it read it again Really Asking that every reformed believer on youtube join me in demanding that john macArthur stepped down When did he make that statement in 2022? After the story broke after he heard all the facts after all the information the same reports that we got he got Okay Same reports. Matter of fact, it's in the same video. It's in the same video of the clips that I just played All right, so he 2022 he's like do you got to go everybody get on he got to get out of here facts facts 2023 he's saying What is he's what exactly is he saying right this second? Uh, that that that john macArthur should not have to step down that he's not disqualified from being a pastor now Okay, so I can't I can't Answer the disqualification part. I can't I'm a pastor. I can Okay, yeah, he's he's disqualified Utterly disqualified. He's been disqualified since 1979 Okay, okay, uh, okay. Well, I feel like he 44 years of abuse 44 plus years Yeah, I'm trying to stay on the My fault go ahead bro. Go ahead So he so you're saying he said he needs he doesn't need to step down anymore Okay, he said it. He said it on record on record. He said he said he's not disqualified Okay, but he did he say he doesn't need to step down He said he's not disqualified me. So if he's not disqualified, that means he does not have to step down Okay, so I I can't speak on I know you can But my my my initial reaction Is I don't I don't know the rules about disqualifying a pastor. I would say I would hope that that would be one of them Oh, it is. Yeah, it is it is it is. Yeah, uh, first Timothy chapter three versus one through seven Titus chapter one versus five through nine and first Peter chapter five versus one and two Okay, okay. I I will yeah, I felt I felt the pullback on his stance on macArthur I From from jump I had felt the pullback There Why I really don't understand I wish he would say the only thing I can I've got here. My notes is that He had ran into some information about miss Royce and he was like I don't know anymore um And so let me ask you a question sure He was If he had in from if he had information right if he did sure It's Cory wrong for making a statement that he made We're making that flop if he had found out something that he just was like This doesn't sit right with my spirit. I don't trust that I I'm hearing this right here So now yeah, I've went out on the limb and I knee jerked and said these things and now I don't know anymore Is he in sin there or he should just explain His stance he would be He would be in sin if he has quote-unquote new information and not disclose it Thus leaving people to be confused And be left in the dark when he had no problem a year ago Making the same claims with information and see that's the thing He presented the same information that we have So if Christians are to be people of the truth and not people of darkness We're not to keep people and and you know keep secrets And if we're supposed to Not walk in ignorance paul tells us I will not have you to be ignorant my brother be uninformed So then what what more loving way would it be for a christian? To tell the body of christ or to tell our uh our viewers or his viewers or subscribers That hey i've come across some new information and this information is irrefutable this information is is is is objective It's ironclad. It cannot be it cannot be uh, uh disputed at all Here it is He has not done that he has not done that protest. They haven't have not done that what they have done If they've taken stories and spun them And they refused they refused to present the facts because they have no facts None The facts are this john macArthur put a woman out of the church Okay, that's just and and by the way there that's just one abuse victim that he has put out of the church. That's just one The second abuse victim was a little girl who was sexually molested by her father and And john macArthur writes a letter to the little girl telling the little girl her name is wendy gway Okay, so now so now notice this notice this the man stayed on staff While while raping and molesting his own daughter MacArthur writes a letter to this man telling this little telling this man telling this little girl Rather that this man is a good man. Her father's a good man, and he's gonna still stay on staff Okay, so I look that's one of the things I did look into uh Because I think you I think you may have put a picture of the letter up or something. I was like I did I did So What I when I read it and it was hard to read it was it was some of it was I couldn't make all of it out Right. It was a little grainy little grainy. Okay, so I couldn't make every word out Uh Was it sexual abuse there? I want to clear absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes I didn't see that in the the father admitted it the father admitted it The the 79 dude the 79 do admitted it. Yes It's a sexually assaulting his daughter and they kept him in the church. Yes Come on dog Yeah, man Listen, listen, listen there. This is what I'm trying to tell you bro Matter of fact, then then go ahead dan enlighten go right ahead, bro I got I need to see some evidence. Oh, it's it's it's it's there Is it that there is it's there go to julie roars.com is right there all the receipts is there every last one of them Okay, so I went there and I read in her blog right there, but I didn't see anything about him confessing to it Yeah, it's in a report. It's in a report. It's right there. It's all there. It's all there. That's that's that's horrible I I didn't see that It's right there. Matter of fact, I'll I'll put it up in just a second Go ahead then matter of fact go ahead do that then and now I'm gonna do this I'm lost at what corey's doing in. Oh, yeah. Well, everybody is join the club if if the if the written test testimony from The abuser admitting Then what the This don't make no sense. It don't make no I'm having a hard time with that See, see brother daryl. That's why that's why I asked you That's why I asked you if you read the court documents because I and I told sake of this A while back is I haven't even read julie's report And you know, I kind of skimmed over it, but I haven't read it and I didn't read it on purpose Not, you know hit on julie or anything like that, but I didn't want there to be any distractions there. So I just read the court documents That seiko provided and just read through the court documents and in the testimonies and Everything like that and it is It's disturbing and Disgusting at best and I can tell you Like the council that I was telling you guys about earlier We had to have some prayers there because it got It almost got fleshly Real talk real talk after reading that. I mean it really did because I mean if if eileen was my daughter or or anything like that and or eileen's grandkids were Kids or whatever we have issues Daniel, is that your name? Yeah, dan daniel either one So just to be clear The eileen gray situation is different in a set situation two different people, right? Different people. Yes eileen and wendy quay. Yeah, that's that's that's just two of the three that I know off their off rip So just to be on just to be clear, man And I know I can get a little weird with this type stuff. I just want to be clear I like I like to be clear and and and facts. So The 79 case and I'm already asked to try to ask it again The man admitted to sexually assaulting his daughter And they kept him in the church you have that evidence and documentation Right here on the screen and I'm gonna read it to you right now I'm gonna I'm gonna read it and I have right here on the screen. Do you see you see it on the screen right there? That's the link right there Yeah, okay, okay, so let me let me read it. Let me read it for a second. Okay, and um And then that way you guys can so I'm just gonna read it. Um, let's see Let me go to Let me go here. Give me one Minette Let me go here real quick This don't make no sense, bro All right, let me go here. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up this My own discernment here I'm budding. Do y'all see do y'all see this on the screen right now My viewers should I y'all see it. Okay. So so uh, daryl, this is this is the report right here John McArthur covered up pastor sexual abuse, right? Look at look at the date. Look at the date daryl in august 1979 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right Wendy gway told her best friend that her father Paul gway then a pastor at John McArthur's grace community church Was regularly molesting her Her friend Lisa Tucker Ward told the roars report That when she'd sleep over at Wendy's house, Wendy would insist that they both go to bed fully closed Sometimes Paul gway would come into Wendy's room in the middle of the night and would hover over us Let me go down at the bottom here Soon afterward when he divulged her secret to ward They then told ward's dad John Tucker a former missionary and then member of grace community church about the abuse This began a process that led Paul gway. Here it is right here That led Paul gway to confess his abuse directly to John McArthur weeks later According to Tucker and alleged eyewitness to the confession Yet gway continued to pastor at grace community church for three more years Can you scroll up a little bit brim? Sure I want to read. Oh, no, no, no other way other way. Okay. I'm sorry other way. Yes, sir Living to tell me when to stop or keep going Okay, right. That's fine Okay, you're good. You're good. All right. Okay. So so I I don't see court documents here. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, this is a confession I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna show you the letter This is a confession. This is this is this is different. This is not the eileen gray one. This is just the wendy This is the second one. Okay The eileen gray situation happened in 2000 and 2000 2001 this was in 1979. Yes, sir. Okay So here's a here's a section right here gway's confession to McArthur Tucker said that when his daughter Tucker said when his daughter and wendy first told him of gway's abuse He immediately urged wendy to call her mother which she did wendy who recently spoke with the rogerport Said she was 16 years old at the time and living with her father and stepmother Jane gway in california. However, her mother marlowe frontipale lived in oregon Frontipale told the rogerport that when she got wendy's call she quickly arranged for wendy to fly home Frontipale then called gcc to ask to speak with McArthur, but McArthur wouldn't take her call I wonder why Frontipale said She did she then reached out to Tucker and her brother-in-law gary davis passed of west covena church of christ in west covena california According to frontipale davis spoke to someone he knew In leadership at grace community church about paul gway's abuse of wendy, but the church took no action Yeah, the rogerport contact contacted davis about what transpired, but davis declined to speak on the record on the record However, Tucker told the rogerport in an interview That after receiving frontipale's call He went to paul gway's house and confronted gway about the abuse in a 2003 written statement You see that highlighted portion right there. Yes, sir. That's the link that you can go right there to see the written statement But here's is he says tucker wrote that gway admitted to sexual acts With wendy telling tucker quote. I know I touched her Yeah Tucker said gway didn't call past McArthur and asked if the three men could meet in McArthur's office and McArthur agreed Tucker wrote that at the meeting with McArthur paul agreed to my charges And confessed to McArthur of repeated sexual acts involving wendy at night time during normal sleeping hours And let me just go down to the bottom and i'm gonna show you the letter. I'm gonna show you the letter On august 29th 1979 McArthur hand wrote a letter to wendy which wendy shared with the rogerport The rogerport sent a copy of the letter to McArthur And the past on call at gcc for comment But no one responded and here's a and here's a transcript of the letter, but the letter is also tested as a report quote I am so sorry. This is McArthur. I am so sorry about all the problems you have been through But I believe the law is working in very special ways and quote mark Arthur wrote Quote your dad is really sad about it all and we have met and talked at length about the situation end of quote McArthur then encouraged wendy to forgive her father Quote I'm glad for your love toward christ that gives you a forgiving heart toward others In quote McArthur wrote quote I know the lord will be glorified as we work together with your dad to see him be all that god wants him to be end quote The rogerport Restore repeatedly to john McArthur and grace community church for comment about McArthur's handling of paul goy's abuse, but no one responded Now at the bottom of this letter It's kind of it's kind of granted, but this is this is McArthur's handwriting and his signature is as attached is written On the right hand side okay But the third paragraph he says Quote he has been a faithful part of our staff and will continue to be in the future This is this is McArthur telling the daughter wendy gway who is being raped and sexually assaulted by her father that this man Will he's a faithful part of our staff and will continue to be in the future that is august 29th 1979 I will say this bruh There's some bullshit in my language, but I'm very disappointed and you know corey seen all this. Yeah, he's seen it Oh, yeah, I know for a fact. You've seen it. So Everybody's seen it out there knows about the story even even to be people in the comments. They've seen it everybody seen it Yeah, okay on this channel. I know they've seen it over here. Cory seen it too Cory's bugging right here If he's seen that Mm-hmm. I know that you use a hypothetical now there. You know, you do use a hypothetical. It's a fact that he's seen it It's a fact But it right It's a fact Because you say I'll say it. I mean Daryl hasn't seen it. You know what I mean? I got I got I got you. I got you. Yeah But if Cory has seen all this right here, yes He's he's he's out of pocket with support and mr. Mr. McArthur. He's out of pocket there Um and Cory wants to be a pastor I'm very sad, bro I'm very sad. Um, I'm I'm sad as we all should be as we all should be on multiple multiple absolutely Absolutely, multiple things here. I'm really I'm really stuck because I'm I'm myself stuck. I'm my mind is like He's wrong. You understand why the mods go so hard We'll talk about all that jazz later, but What I'm talking about here is yeah, I I don't nest Right now My whole thing was the ax to grind statement. That was my thing I didn't dive all the way deep like on this right here And now that I'm looking at this stuff and I am going to go back and read the statement and do all that stuff And I don't understand how Cory could support a man Who was who allowed that to go on? I don't get that part that That that that makes me question my own discernment because I'm because when I say I'm not when I when I mean about that is As I'm listening to Cory I'm believing what he's saying.  Well this and listen You're you're just seeing this for the first time though Imagine how we've been seeing it and now people flipping and people like protestia And and and uh, david, you know, morrow these people have seen this stuff and they're defending a man This is why I said here. This is why I say that they're they're defending a pastor who's been caping and covering and giving Given giving refuge to pedophiles Child molesters and and whitebeard Yes, sir And and and and that's obvious now because now you're seeing a you got it on you got it on you got it on Uh, uh, um, you got documentation. Yeah, it's all hearsay. No, see I none of that None of none of that man. You have john mccarthur saying Chill out ma it's gonna be all right. It will be good. We're gonna pray After after he has a written statement that old boy molested his daughter. Yeah He's he's way off, man. Yeah, he's way A Not to on that particular Be clear in his unsupport Makes no sense to me a year a year later, though. Listen, listen, they're listen there a year later though Here we go Cory, Cory got this last year. Listen, we all got this last year. All of us got this last year This is not this is not new. What's new is the flip That's what's new. This information ain't new. Dan, go ahead. I'm gonna let Daryl just swing in the chair. Dan, go ahead and comment, bro. First of all, the chair spin is my idea. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's start there, brother Daryl. The chair spin is my stuff. Copyrighted. Fat and figure. But hey, brother Daryl, hey listen, and I don't know if we got to this point yet, but it even gets worse. I know we're talking mostly about Corey Miner and the flip, but I really want to drive it home how bad it is and reason why it makes no sense for Corey to flip. Is the man David Gray, you know, I'm not even calling him. The scum, I'll keep it real. The scum writes an admission of what he did, gets convicted, has been denied parole. I don't know how many times I go, but goes into prison and John MacArthur and GCC double down and support this man in prison. Now mind you, he just got convicted with an admission of violating his children and his wife. Okay? Right. And John MacArthur, the great expository of the word and whatnot, 50 years doing this, calls this scum. I'm biting my tongue. We all try to stay safe right now. We all try to stay safe right now. Call this a scum of missionary to the prison.  You know what I'm going to say? Yeah. How? How? How? And Corey, brother, how can you soften your tone on this? Eileen Gray brought the issue as she's supposed to and you said it in your video. She was right. She was right to bring it to the church. She was right to bring it to the church. Okay? And now you want to soften and question what's facts, what's documenting. It makes zero sense, Corey. It makes zero sense, brother. And you've caused confusion here amongst a lot of people. And you see what, you know, Brother Daryl here, he didn't know all this stuff.  And then, you know, didn't you see Seiko standing up for the truth? And then now, oh, I got issue with Seiko. Seiko's over here saying this. Oh, okay, dig a little bit deeper. Now you see. And now you see. And that's the reason why there's an issue with Corey, because of this. And I just don't see how, see how that somebody could support that, that man, not Corey, but John McArthur and GCC in this fashion and trying to make every excuse under the book. Well, you know, Julie Royce believes this. Julie Royce did 50 articles. Julie Royce likes ketchup on her biscuits. Yeah. You had to do it, didn't you? Oh, boy. You're not eating. You're not eating the night Seiko. No, no, no, that's a lot. But, you know, they do all this. And you know, Seiko's did this. Seiko's did that, you know, whatever. But like I asked you, brother Darrell, did you read the court documents? If you read the court documents and not anything else, if you never see another Seiko Woods video, if you never read another Julie Royce article, right, there's court documents here, right? And it blows my mind. And I've said this to Seiko several times. It blows my mind that, again, John McArthur and all these elders, all these PhDs and whatnot there at GCC can't see what they've caused, can't see what they've done. And for whatever reason, and we know that it's pride or arrogance or whatever, I don't know, can't bring themselves to apologize to a woman and children that were abused and you made a bad decision out there. You made a bad decision. And you can't bring yourself to correct this and align yourself with God's word. It ain't Seiko's word. It ain't Dan Brown's word. It's God's word. You can't align yourself with God's word and apologize and repent for this. What do you have to lose other than showing the body how it should be done by the Bible? How Christians should act. And the reason why I get so upset with this is because I was doing research and I'll share this with you, gentlemen. I mean, kind of got to this point and I'll hope I'm not skipping some thunder here, Seiko. No, bro, handle your business, bro. How is it that the world gets it right and we don't? How is it? Come on, bro. We have a manuscript, brothers and sisters. We have a manuscript that's been handed to us from God for years. I got an answer for you. Years. Hold on, brother. I'll let you do it. Yeah, let me finish there. Let me finish.  We have God's word handed to us for years and in 2023, we still can't get it right. But the world, the world is getting it right. Why? How I know this because we have sexual assault training. We have equal opportunity training. We have how to report a sexual assault, especially in the military. We have a whole gamut of training and processes on how to handle stuff like this. And we do it annually. We train it annually and it's serious. So the world is getting it right. The army has been around 200 years and I'm sure the sexual assault and enclave of that has only been in, I'll say, just the last 50 years. So the world is getting it right. And the other thing that I want to share with you, and that's why I say this, is I don't know if you gentlemen or most of the people in here have seen the movie, Loan Survivor. It was about the the sales that were over and I don't understand. And the one guy survived what is, you know, the rest of his team was killed. And I don't know if a lot of people are familiar with this. I don't think they said it at the end of the movie, right? It's a thing called Pashtun Wali, right? Where the tribe, the Pashtuns, the tribe is obligated to any guest that comes into their village and whatever, they're obligated to protect them. Obligated to shoot them like family, right? And they have a whole tenet of these. Now mind you, these are Muslims. These are Muslims.  And like you said in the story, a true story, they defended this man until, you know, people of their own tribe are getting killed. They defended this man that they didn't really even know.   But we can't even get this right. And it's not a mystery. It's spelled out in the word, Seiko. You know, it's spelled out in the word. And you can get a Bible that you can understand. It's amazing in 2023. It's amazing. So you tell me, tell me, Saints and everybody, you tell me how we keep, we're getting this wrong. We can't even get it right. But the world is bad. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I think, I mean, I think, I think what, what, what y'all are seeing and particularly Daryl, you're shocked. You probably pissed. You probably feel played. And those are, and those are real. And those are legit feelings and emotions. You know, my thing is, what are we going to do about it? You know, once we, once we get information, once we get the truth, what, what are we as men? I'm not, I even, I'm not even talking about the women. Listen, they, they, what, what are we as men, so-called men, males, testosterone men? What, what are we with the cashews going to do when it comes to this? Right here, right here. This is injustice. This is injustice. This is not, not only is this injustice, but this is gaslighting. So now you're going to tell me what we see is not what we see. And then, and then, and what I said earlier though too, Daryl, the flipping is what's pissing a lot of people off because there's no reason for it. And then on top of that, you compound it by refusing to answer. So Corey is no different than the very people that he tries to go after when they don't respond, when they don't answer. Of course. I mean, nobody's, nobody's above. I mean, I get that part. Everybody, everybody gets it, can get it. So a couple of things. I can't even, I can't even defend my position on the axe to grind statement. Whether my position is right or wrong, it don't even matter. They really, sadly. Because if these written statements are here, because to me, anybody can say anything. Anybody can talk. We've lived in this world long enough to know people, accuse people all the time. There's innocent people in jail all the time. So we always can't do what somebody say. Right, right. But somebody pinned to paper says they did something. What do we have to believe them then? We have to say, okay, he didn't. He's guilty of that. And if Mr. Corey knows and has been privy to this info, he's way out of, he, he, he, he done lost, he done lost me. And I've already said that, but you asked a question, Mr. Dan, you said, how did we get it wrong? And the world gets it right. You asked that, right? Yes, sir. Because the world is in the church. That's why. That's sad. But the world is. Wow. Wow. And I got to be careful with my words because we live.  Right, right, right. I feel you. I'm saying, if that person is okaying this jazz in his, in his church, you know, what you really doing behind the scenes, bro? Come on, man.  Come on. One, maybe. One, maybe. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a big maybe. Come on, man. Maybe there's something we don't know, but now we got a trend.  When the church comes to you and asks you questions, you don't answer it. They have, from what I understand, they have a rule that they don't answer to outside question. Right. Of course you don't, bro. Now I know why you got the rule. This is what I'm gathering. And so now, now I have to question Mr. Corey's motives here. I don't understand. And he made a statement the other night. Right. I've been watching, I watched you. I got what you guys about the Marcus Rogers thing about a year ago, a little over a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I contacted you and I was going to Mr. Rogers. He would never respond to me, of course, but I was, I was trying to talk to him. I had good dialogue and they just lost in the sauce with what they believe. And I was always sad. And I always had to leave the discussion debate argument with, I wish you the best and I'm gonna pray for you because there wasn't no talking to some of these people. And that's sad. So, but I got, I started watching y'all around that time. I had already been going to Mr. Rogers before you got to him. And once I saw you got a bigger platform than me, right? So you started coming out with him. And I'd already been with Corey and looking at him. And then I saw you come at Mr. Rogers. I was like, you know what, I'm sorry, watching this subscribe to you, liked everything, most everything that you did. You handle things somewhat like me a lot of ways.  My tone is, I'm loud. I'm direct. I don't sugar coat too much. Yeah. Yeah. And it is hard to deal with people that don't fully understand you.  And so I understand what you go through, you know, but I'm always going to challenge and, and try to get better understanding. And if I come off as, as, as a, like I'm trying to, I'm trying to cause strife on your channel. No, that ain't what I'm doing. I'm trying to get understanding. So I will throw a direct statement out there or question because I'm trying to get your attention because I'm saying something and you're not responding or, and I understand you've got a million things going on. That's why I will say something, but I'm going to challenge if I don't understand. And I need, and I'm hoping to gather that, that understanding when I come at, come at you with these comments. That's, that's why I do all love. It's just understanding. I'm trying to get it. You and, and I know what I'm talking about because you're the same way. Yeah, it's respect. It's respect. Right. So Corey holds an explanation and why he's supporting Mr. Mr. Arthur here. If, if, if you see that these people admitted to doing all this wrong and it, the, the, the preachers allowed him to continue in the church, how can you defend that? How can you defend that? If the man's admitted to, I don't get that part. And I want to apologize and I told myself I wanted to apologize. Yeah, but God said differently. Go ahead. Go ahead. We, we listen, bro. Let me put the camera back on you, bro. Let me put the camera back on you. Let's see. Let's see it. I apologize, Mr. Seco. If I came off wrong, but I really need to apologize to myself for allowing myself to get so worked up over something I wasn't 100% sure on. But understand I was never my, my, my passion for this did not come from the, from the MacArthur situation. I was really focused on you saying he was sinning for that comment and I didn't see it. So that's where, that's what I needed understanding on. But like I told you before, now I can't even bring up that argument because he's so far off on his backing of MacArthur after all this stuff we're seeing. I can't even, I can't even defend it. Yeah, it's indefensible, bro. Let me, let me do this one. I got a couple more clips to play and before I get to the, before I get to the money shot. So let me go ahead and play these and then, and then I'll let you respond, Dan. And then there you can take the, take the rear. Let's get it. It's not hard to realize you're not perfect. Right. Pride comes in when you realize, oh, I missed that. I misspoke. I said something, I did something wrong. When you don't come back and acknowledge that, oh man, I should have said that or I misspoke. Folks, folks will hit me up and say, hey, did you know you said so-and-so? You know what? I misspoke. I'm saying, I'm saying this and I'm saying, I'm saying I apologize. I messed up because you speak so much.  But once it's brought to your attention and you said it publicly, I got to deal with the public. Matthew 18 is very clearly for somebody that sins against you personally, but a lot of public Christian figures use Matthew 18 as sort of a trap. So if you critique them in public, they'll say, hey, why did you bring this to me in private? You were required by Matthew 18 to bring this to me in private. And I told Julian an email, the last one I sent to her, before she quit responding to me, I said, look, public error gets public rebuke because that public error is affecting everybody that hears it. If I go to you in private and you correct it and I've won my brother, that error is still out there. That error is, especially in the information age, that error is still affecting everybody. So aside from going to that person in private and then they issue a public correction, they issue the rebuke on their own, which I'd be fine with. If they're not doing that, everybody else can be protected by addressing that in public. And I think what I told her was public error gets public correction, public lies get public rebuke. Some formula like that, but basically, because she complained and said, hey, you've never, before you wrote your articles, you never contacted me, this, that, and the other. I said, Julie, that wasn't a sin against me. You're slandering and you're creating falsehood and false belief publicly. This needs a public response. Did I answer the question? I want you all to move away from this thought. I want you all to move away from this thought that everything, even if something was done publicly, needs to be addressed publicly. Now, with this lady gray, I think that she needs to be addressed at least privately. Hey, we messed up. Apologize and so forth. But publicly, no, we stopped that. Stop that. That's you on tape.  You got the floor, bro. Run it. I can't look it. Yeah. Hey, first, first, let's, I want to address something real quick. I've seen Dank Martin, I think is. Yes, yes. Yeah. He actually, I hope it's a brother, I hope. He actually had a good, good point earlier. Is it a comment? Let me scroll down. Let me see. It was something to the effect of either way. Let's see. On the side note, what are your thoughts on the LSB? No, no, no. Okay. I had to talk about that later. I mean, I don't, I ain't sure about that. That's his company name. So let me see what else. Let me see. Let me go down. It's something to the effect that either way, Corey has to apologize either way, right? Yes. Because of the prior video, I mean, you know, hey, David Moore, we're all on the public, public stand here, right? Right. Here we go. Right, right. Corey has to apologize either way. He either has to apologize to John MacArthur for saying that, oh, you need to step down because XYZ or you need to tell the public, you know, why you switch. Which one is it?  There it is. Corey can't turn on Roy's in public without having to apologize to MacArthur in public. Right, right. Yeah, right. So yeah, so yeah, so did y'all hear the flip about this one?  I'm agreeing with this guy. Again, it's like agreeing with Pagani, like what's going on here, right? So you put it out here publicly. Corey had a problem doing it in 2022. Now he's flipping in 23 and saying that, yeah, it's not required. But this, again, Seiko, this is what we said earlier. This is why, this is why private is not going to cut it. It ain't because why, why? I tell you why. Like a white pass, they say go my bad, gap it up, moving on. Right. I guess well, sister Sharon, proverbs, everybody else is still thinking, man, brother Dan, you know, him and Seiko had a following out. Right. Behind scenes were good, right? Right. But the public still thinks we're back, you know, discussing why the pistons are horrible too. I said it on your live now. Make a clip about that.  I gotta give my, I gotta give my dubs when I can. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah. Go ahead and finish it though. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so now Corey, a private thing is, this is public now, regardless if it was behind the walls of GCC when he kicked, he didn't escort Corey. He kicked Eileen Gray out of the church, right?  They kicked her out. Exactly. Exactly. But it's public now. Everybody knows about it and everybody knows the disgusting case that goes along with it. So again, if we're calling ourselves, you know, the body of Christ, the church, all this other stuff. Yeah, we have, you know, different geographical locations, whatever, but we're all Christians. If it came down to it and we're standing on the line, hey brother, brother in Christ, brother in Christ, yep, yep, we're gonna go handle this business. You know, then it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter where we're at. So, so it has to be a public display of repentance. Why? So the body knows that we're whole again. You know, our left, our left hand is not broken anymore. Come on, man. Okay. That's the reason why it has to be public. Even more so, because, you know, and I'm not, I'm not going to get on my soapbox about five percent and all that. Go on for all night, right? But if we're going to consider John MacArthur or let's say if the general public is going to consider John MacArthur a great expository of the word, he has 50 years and, you know, he's the pinnacle to some people, right? Then you should be setting the example, most of it out of anybody. Right. So you have to heal the body by repenting and soaring the body. This is how it's done, people.  You know, they can wear their mask. They can do this. They can do that. We're the body of Christ. And this is how we handle the body of Christ. Yes, sir. Make ourselves whole. Corey, brother, if you're listening, if you get a sound clip, I don't know. This is why we need clarity. This is why we need healing. This is why we need public repentance because this is what makes us whole. That's all I can say about it. Darren. Daryl. Hey, look, for the record, for the record, for the record, for the record. The reason why I keep saying Darren, because I'm looking at my switch key and I accidentally put it on here, but on my screen, I see Daryl and I'm like, duh, my father, go ahead, Daryl, my father. Mr. Right. Mr. Right. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Right. From my understanding at this point, Corey, sir, please explain yourself. Because I'm physically hurting right now.  Wow, bro. Wow. I'm physically hurting and disappointed. But it, you know what it does? It just, it just brings, it's humbling to a degree because it lets me know that we all, we're all sinners. Yes, sir. We are fakes and no pastor, no. I'm not a John McCarty fan. I mean, I've listened to him a few times, but ain't nobody I really followed or anything, but I don't, there's something wrong here, seriously wrong here. And my five minutes ago, 10 minutes ago, I'm ready to go to Cali, bro.  It's some ride out stuff, bro. This is a ride out. Yeah. Yeah. But here's another thing. That's why I haven't been in the church for a minute either. I was raising the church. Dang, man. But a lot of the churches, I went to first Baptist Pasadena. I know what I said. I know what I said. Yep. Yep. The Redman, the Sagemont, I went to Sagemont. Yep. Yep. Great teaching over there and then they changed leadership. Yeah. And I lost my Sunday school teacher. He went somewhere else. But so I was like, you know, I'm not feeling this place no more for whatever reason, but my point is, there's ugliness in all of it. Yes. About money all the time. And I don't feel at peace enough in the church. But I stopped looking. And what I, where I'm at right now is, I'm so blessed, the family that raised me. Yeah, man. That taught me. And then at the end of the day, I'm so thankful that the Lord has given me the heart and the mind that I got and passed down through my family, now into my children. Oh, evil is real. Yeah, man. I've witnessed some things that you see on the movies, bro. You know, and so I know how real evil is. And now I'm seeing how much evil is in our house, bro. Yeah. Yeah. He was in town. And but he's 33 elders. I don't know if they men. All men. All men. So-called men. Yeah, there you go. I really don't understand how you can have that many devils. Come on, bro. It is what it is, bro. Oh, leading, leading people. I'm struggling with getting everything out, I want to say. I understand, man. I got three paper, the notes, I got them all the way because it's just pointless. And I, like I said, I apologize if I came off. No, bro, we already done it. We good. We good. We good. This is why, listen, man. Listen, listen. This type of live that we do, you see this, you keep coming, you keep coming over here. What we do, we try to keep it real. You know what I'm saying? We don't play those games. So I don't try to be something that I'm not. That's why everybody can't come over here, because I'm not going to change for nobody other than what the Spirit of God tells me to do. So I don't, I don't have the time to try to shift and switch and change and comport myself and control, because now I'm violating the word. God says, Paul says, if I'm a man, please, I can't be a God, please. I can't, I can't please God if I'm trying to please you. So you're good over here. You know what I'm saying? I think, I think the blessing of this now is that your eyes have been open to the truth and you have righteous anger, as we all should. You see what I'm saying? Now it's up to us to come alongside each other and know how to process that anger righteously, because, bro, I understand. I totally get it.  Bro, we've been in the kitchen. We've been, we've been in the kitchen throwing plates and throwing knives. Bro, we've been at this. This is not, this is not new for us.  You have even heard, I'm not sure if you have, but I'll just assume, you might have even heard the story about Han Cho. He was one of the elders that resigned. Yeah, yeah. Okay. They made him resign. Yeah, over this, or resigned. Yes, over the Eileen Gray situation. You know what I'm saying? So these guys are lying on this man. And why? Because they're covering and caping for a man that supports pedophiles, child abusers and wife beaters, bro. That's, that's, and I'm gonna keep saying that because I wanted to hit people and hit them hard because that those are the facts.  And here's where it's going to be. I mean, it's a wrap, bro. I don't know what else to tell you. I mean, this is, what did I do with it? Let me see. Yeah, here we go. I think this is it. Here we go. And I want you all to move away from this thought. I want you all to move away from this thought that everything, even if something was done publicly needs to be addressed publicly. Now, with this lady Gray, I think that she needs to be addressed at least privately. Hey, we messed up. Apologize and so forth. But publicly, no, we stopped that, stopped that. That's you on tape. Let me go to the other clip. Hold on.  So just bear with me for a second, y'all. Bear me for one second. But anyway, get your thoughts out there. If you want to say anything, brother, I'm gonna go ahead and step to the clip real quick. Go right ahead, y'all. I'm lost at, like I said, what Mr. Corey is doing. I really don't. I see now why you made some, you made some stuff. I got some stuff. We'll probably talk.  But that conversation private first. Got you. Got you. Got you. But Corey owes an explanation for some flip flop and some and why he would support a man who allowed a pedophile to lead or teach in his church. Yeah. An explanation for why he would support that man. And yes, sir, he is a bad guy. If that's what he's allowing.  Because I felt like a lot of this was hearsay. So I felt like people was jumping on this hearsay. And I'm, and I need to see it all. I want to see everything. Got you. And somebody writing a confession is enough for me. And I will go and read, read those, those, those court documents.  Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead there. I hope that one day Mr. Corey addresses the issue. Because I think he's a good dude. I just think for some reason he's off here. Right. Right. Yeah. Right.  I can understand why you would wonder that and make the comments that you made. He's going to have to, and he said it himself. Everybody's going to have to have a count. Well, brother, now you have to have an account.  He's in the, he's in the Facebook chat. So he's watching. He just came in. Corey, mind you, he just pulled up in the chat. Corey, I hope you can hear me, man. I came on here tonight to really defend you from everything I saw. I did, to defend, let's be clear. So I don't know how long you've been here. I came in here to defend the axed grind statement because I feel like that's not a sin to make that statement because that's a, that's a figure of speech. If you have an issue with somebody, that's an ax to grind. And so I felt like you weren't in sin for making that statement. But now I'm hearing more evidence in this J max stuff. Fam, I can't even defend you on your ax to grind statement. If you cool with Mr, uh, the church allowing pedophiles to continue in leadership in the church. So I guess I could ask you a question, Mr. Corey, would you allow that type of leadership under you, under your supervision? Would you allow that?    You, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me play this clip then. Would you go to Gray's Community Church? If Eileen Gray was your daughter, would I go to Gray's Community Church? Well, it, it, we'll see. That's why you can't answer a question because that would affect me personally. Now I've got some skin in the game. It's like the guy that jumped on my daughter or did something violate my daughter. Could, could I, could I sit on the, on the bus right beside him? No. Could you? Yes. Why? See, what we do sometimes is we break, we, we, we want to make the emotional argument and then that governs, that would be hard for me. I mean, I, I, let's not treat my, I look at my daughters as though they're gold. Now do I, do I look at your daughters the same way I look at my daughter? No. There's a, there's four billion other daughters on the planet. I don't look at them the same way I look at mine. Dan, turn around, please. Sir, people want to see your face in your disgust. Daryl, Daryl, here's the question. Here's the question, Daryl.  If Eileen Gray were your daughter, I'm asking for the record. I know you had to say that earlier a week or so ago, but this is the question that, this is the question that David Collins had asked Corey Miner and he's in the chat right now. He's in my Facebook chat. This ain't doctored up. I didn't switch nothing around. The question was asked, would you allow your daughter, would you go to Gray's Community Church, excuse me, if Eileen Gray were your daughter. Now for the record, bro, Daryl, Daryl, how many, do you have any girls? Yes, sir, two of them. How many girls you got? Two. Two. Would you allow your daughters to go to Gray's Community Church knowing what they've done, knowing what the MacArthur has done? With the evidence out there? No, of course not. Of course not. And if Mr. Corey knew that evidence, and he did, then he ain't making much sense to me. He's not making any sense to me on that. See, when he made that statement, right, I even got notes on it. I understood what he was saying. I understood his point and my thoughts on it was, according to the way I've been listened to and things he's said in the past, I know he wouldn't tolerate that. But now, if you've read the confession, which y'all say he did a year ago, if you've read the confessions, then you're lost, sir, on this one. You're losing. You're losing. You're losing. I know he felt like he was clear. I know he felt like the benefit of the doubt was, of course I wouldn't allow my, I understand and I understood it at the time. But if you were privy to that info, fam, you shouldn't have been defending MacArthur on anything at that point, on anything. Damn. I pray, Mr. Corey, that you explain yourself, bro. Right. I pray that you, man, because you hurt my heart, bro. Well, I'm hurt from all these people defending this situation. It ain't just Corey. I'm hurt. I'm hurt about everything. Wow. Hurt my heart. My heart with this. Yeah, and rightly so, man. And multiply that, multiply that times probably, he's about to hit 100K. He's about to hit 100,000 subscribers in probably a few days. So multiply that times thousands of people who have now been divided over Corey. Because it's not because of me. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't start this, bro. I didn't start any of this. I'm trying to resolve it. I'm trying to settle it biblically, but I don't apologize for any of the videos I've made. I don't apologize for any of the thumbnails I put out. I don't apologize for any of the statements that have been, that have been, you know, coming from out of my mouth through this mic on this platform to our brother. Because I've already told him, you know what I'm saying?  That's why I laid out the scriptures. So no different than anyone else. If you put it out there publicly, it's open season to be responded to or to be rejected. Bottom line. So, um, Hey, well, let me, okay. Speaking on that. Sure. This would be, oh, just for understanding. If, if he, if he came out, I don't know the, I didn't watch the public, the public review and I don't necessarily know what the Bible says on that subject. Exactly. Sure. Sure. So I don't have no, I'm trying to play devil's advocate and find some ground here, but I can't.  Really can't, you really, really can't. Because I'm trying to look for any reason as to why and I can't come up with it. Um, I just, I just can't come up with it. If somebody, you're saying, if somebody says something publicly, it's fair game. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. Fair game. Yep. Yep. So my question to you, sir. Sure. Because it's fair game with that, with that. Is that always the right way to do it? Just depends on the situation, depends on the seriousness of the issue. Let me give you an example.  And I said that publicly on this platform. And then I twist the scriptures to make it mean what it, what I want to mean. And I just let it go. It's out there now. Are you wrong? Is Dan wrong? Is Corey wrong? For making a response video to a video that is now circulated and gone public. Thus causing confusion, causing people to maybe now think that it is okay. This is why I read the Galatians chapter two passage. Because that's what Paul did to Peter, who was another apostle. He said because Peter's hypocrisy was spreading and causing even people like Barnabas to fall into sin. He had to check Peter publicly in front of everybody to let him know that that wasn't cool. That that wasn't, that was, that was foul. Okay. Let me also answer. Let me also give you another, give you another example as well too. Corey has made the comment publicly that, that, that public sin does not require, I mean, public sin does not require public repentance. That's a lie from the pit of hell. Okay. The lie is straight from the pit. And I'm about to show you biblically, biblically in two passages of scripture. We've always read it, but it seems like we forget because of personality instead of the precepts of the word of God instead of scripture. So let's, let's do this. And I believe this is the spirit of God, you know, that's, that's taking control over this live regarding this situation because I was pretty much done after that last clip, but I want people, I want me to show it clear that you're clear. Most importantly, Daryl and then others who are watching this and I'm going on record and I'm challenging Corey to make this right because that's twisting the scripture to say that public sin does not require public repentance because in actual fact it does. Matthew chapter 18, let's go there. Matthew chapter 18. We all know the text. We're going to go to one of them. Matthew 18 verse 15 through 17. Let me bring it back on my fault. Hold on, let me see what you got. Okay. Is it there? You're in the, you're in the, uh, you're in the library. You good there? I think I got him on. Is he in? Let me make sure he's good. Hold on, y'all. Hold on. All right there. Are you there? Okay, I'll make sure you're there. Okay. Okay. Let me go back. Let me go back. All right. Matthew chapter 18 verse 15. It says, if your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private. Notice, go and show him his fault in private.  But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every fact may be confirmed. Verse 17, if he refuses to listen to them, so it was private, semi-private, and now it's going public. Verse, verse 17, if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Okay. So now, the question you have to ask yourself is this. How is it that he is put out of the church as communicated if he doesn't repent? Okay. That's the first question, right? That's the first question.  Be clear of the names you're talking about. Just anybody, the person that refuses. Yeah. The person that refuses to repent. Okay. He or she is put out of the church because they refuse to repent over a clear sin. Okay. You're right. I was going to bring this first up to you. I was going to bring this to you in defense of Cory, but the reality is I can't because he's in clear sin. Okay. So how did this person now that's put out of the church, how are they allowed to come back into the church? Okay. Answer, there must be public confession and repentance in order for biblical restoration to occur. I didn't read that far down and I didn't see that. Yeah, this is all throughout the chapter. So it goes also to the forgiving and unforgiving servant. Okay. What a servant acknowledges his sin. He's forgiven. The other servant sees his servant doesn't forgive him and he's asking for the same mercy and grace, but he's acknowledging it. He's refusing to accept his forgiveness and restore him and now he's being punished. So let me give you another scripture. Actually, there's three. This is the second one. Let's go to the second one. This one is in 1 Corinthians chapter, chapter five. 1 Corinthians chapter five. Paul writes, it's actually reported that there's immorality among you and an immorality of such a kind that does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.  Okay. So we all know the story. So let's go down. Let's just go down. Okay. Verse five, verse four, rather, in the name of our Lord Jesus, he says, when you are assembled, now this is public. It needs to be dealt with publicly. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled and not with you in spirit, with the power of the Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a wanted Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know a little leaven? Leaven is the whole lump of dough. He's given a command, clean out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened for Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore, let us celebrate the feast now with old leaven. Know with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. Verse nine, I wrote you in my letter, not to associate with immoral people. I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world or with the covetous and swindlers or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually I wrote to you, not to associate with any so-called pseudo del fos, so-called brother, if he isn't immoral person or covetous or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or a swindler, not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Notice verse 13, the B clause. Remove the wicked. He didn't just say remove the man. No, he called this person sin wickedness. Remove the wicked man from among you. Put them out. Now, how are they brought back in? Second Corinthians chapter, chapter two. Coral, you're in the chat. You got to explain this, bro. You got to explain this. You got to explain this. The correcting church puts the man out, right? Paul writes the church in the second letter in his second epistle about the same sinning brother. The church now puts church discipline on him, inflicts church discipline, but now it's enough. Paul is telling, okay, it's enough. Fall back, y'all. It's enough. It's enough. He's repentant. How do we know? Verse one. But I determined this for my own sake, that you would not come to you in sorrow again. For if I cause you sorrow, who then makes me glad, but the one whom I may sorrowful?  For out of much affliction and anguish of heart, I wrote you, I wrote you a many tears, not that you will be may sorrowful, but that you might know the love which I have especially for you. But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree, in order not to say too much to all of you. Sufficient. Verse six. Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority. So that on the contrary, you should rather forgive and comfort. Forgive and comfort him. Otherwise, such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. Wherefore, I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. For to this end, I wrote, so that I might put you to the test whether you are obedient in all things. But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also. For indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes and the presence of Christ.  So when, and you got first Timothy five, which actually, actually, Corey even cited that text in his video in 2022 about the sinning elder. If the sinning elder refuses to repent, he said they're here to be rebuked in the presence of all, so that the rest would not sin. That's what Corey said. And he flip-flopped on this. Okay, so, so, so this is, this is the question. How is it that our brother can tell other people, like Pagani, Saldivar, Marcus Rogers, Vlad and whoever else, because I didn't know who these people were until Corey would mention these people. These people are not in my wheelhouse. Most people are not allowed to know in the hood. Don't even know these people like that. But anyway, nonetheless, their false teachers and wolves, whatever, fine.   But now you're in sin and you don't want to be held accountable.  And I had you guys to talk to me about what did y'all see? Was I in sin for what the mob is saying? You said that I was. Sean Isaac says I was in sin. The other brother said there was no sin. None. Decision of 4-2 over preference. All these brothers said that what I was dealing with, what these people were coming at me for was an issue of preference. I didn't sin against anybody. I wasn't caping for abuse. I wasn't caping for sin of any kind. People didn't like what, like you said, Daryl, people didn't like my tone. Like my brother Scott said, people didn't care for my tone. I delivered my style. Okay. And other words that I would use, right? But this is my channel.  I'm not, I didn't summon you to come over here. I didn't subpoena. Nobody to come over here. You come over here because you wanted to. Now, and thank you, brothers there as well. I don't know how I forgot my brother X. And brother X was also a part of the meeting. And all of the brothers, except for Sean Isaacs and Corey Miner, said that this was the issue of preference. They say it was not in sin. He didn't do anything wrong. These people are attacking him because of John MacArthur. You're coming at his idol. That's why they came, but that's why they're coming at you. Now, these two brothers, we're not even clicking anymore. Why is that? I haven't changed. Corey changed. I haven't changed. Sean Isaacs changed. People are asking me questions about these two brothers. I haven't done anything. Still love them, but they're wronger than two left shoes on amputee. That's how wrong they are. Oh, Corey, with you there, you made a statement. Dad, you better be right. If you coming at somebody, you better be right. That's what you were saying. And I agree with that. I agree that you should be right. If you're going to come at somebody, that would only make sense to go at somebody with all the facts and know that you're right. Then how do you explain the written confessions? How do you explain that? I would rather you, instead of saying you support the man, I would rather you say something like, I'd rather you say, that might be wrong though. I'd rather you say up until the information that I've gathered, I can't support you, sir, from the information and the evidence that's in front of me. You would be better to say that when the obvious evidence is there than to say, I support him. Because he's allowing pedophiles, written confessions in his church, bro. Written confessions. You can't support somebody who's allowing pedophiles to be in his church and lead a church. You can't support that man, bro, and be able to defend yourself biblically, morally in any way. So why make the statement of the support that you gave him, and you would send people to the church, send people to listen to it, when you know that he's allowed that to go on and that's wrong and he hasn't dealt with it the right way. I don't understand how you can encourage people. When you see written confessions, you got to explain that part, right? You're way off, way off by coming out with your support of him because of those written statements. Everything else to me is kind of hearsay. But when a man admits to touching a daughter and the preacher okays it, tells old girl, chill out, you good? We're gonna keep letting, bro. You have no defense, homie. None, at this, with this particular situation, you have no defense. You can't say, you can't say you're not sure. You can't because you have the man admitting to doing it and then you have MacArthur saying he's good. So you cannot, sadly, sir, because this hurts me to tell you this. You can't defend a man. You were wrong for coming out saying you're in support of a man who's allowed a young lady to go back into the danger zone of her own father. You got, you got daughters too, Corey. I know you do. Yeah, he does. But he said, he said he would have skin in the game if it was his daughter. But anybody else's daughter, he wouldn't care. Right. But I understood his analogy right there. I didn't. He came back, he came back into me, he cleaned it up. But if he knew this evidence, you can't clean it up. He knew it. That's my, but there, he knew it. That's why that made no, but see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Listen, even, even if he did not know about the evidence, that's still a human being, bro. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. But, but, but it's hearsay until there's evidence that's written. It's here. Right. That's true. Right, right, right. They're hearsay. Yeah, I'm not, we're not talking about here. None of this stuff we talking about now is hearsay though. None of it. Yeah. Okay. We'll start over and say what you said again. Okay. So we were talking about him saying he has skin in the game. Right. Yes. The question that David Collins asked him, that was, that was a question in the context of John McArthur being supported. John McArthur not being disqualified now all of a sudden, but he was disqualified last year. And so David Collins, and he's in a, he's in the chat. He can, he can even, you know, elucidated if I'm missing it. He said, would you, would you attend Grace Community Church if Eileen Gray were your daughter? And, and Corey said, well, you can't, you can't really use that because that, that double difference, I got, I would have skin in the game. Even if I, even if it wasn't my daughter, why would anybody still to this day attend Grace Community Church? Bro, we got people, listen, hold up, we got people questioning people's discernment for going to people like Joel Osteen.  We just talking about why would you go to Lakewood? No, we're Osteen teachers. He teaches prosperity. But this guy over here is protecting pedophiles. Right. And he knew that. He knew that. Yes. Right. What I was trying to say was at the particular time he made that statement in my own defense, I didn't know that he knew this evidence. Got you. Got you. Got you. So I didn't know that Evans was there. I thought it was hearsay. Got you. He was got, and so we don't know everything. Got you. Now you got questions. And Mr. Corey knew about it according to you. And I don't know for sure. I'm just going what you say. If he knew about it, if Corey knew those written confessions was there, he has no excuse to support. And oh, by the way, Corey knew about me. Corey, Corey's far from dumb. Corey's far from dumb. I know that. That's what I'm saying. Y'all both far from dumb. So I don't care about the 50 years, man. Right. This man confessed to touching his own baby.  That don't make no sense to me. That's like, that's so foreign for me. I can't get on that. Somebody, so I'm looking at the poll question. I put up a poll question, right? I said, do you believe, I said, do you believe, I said, do you believe Corey should explain why he doesn't support Julie Roy's and now supports John MacArthur? 57% said, yes, be consistent, brother. 43% said, no, leave Corey alone and stop hating. I didn't answer that. Because why I didn't is, I didn't understand why you put stop hating on the end. Because that's, that's, that's, Dan, go ahead and explain it. Go ahead and explain it, Dan. Let Dan explain it. Go ahead. Because you have a group of people, brother Darrell, that will absolutely shred this video, make sound clips, say that you're hating because you're saying something. You're not, you know, you're not, you're not a yes man, so on and so forth. You know, and they're lurking. We got, I think on the count that I see 146 people in here, you know, you know, they're lurking and hear about an hour or so.  What is, this is, this is what I want to, want to bring up real quick while we're still on that topic. And this is for the audience as well, brother Seiko. And this is an analogy that I was thinking about earlier. And I want to assume that brother Darrell, you know, you probably, I think you bought a house or at least you have somewhere to live anyways. How do we go about buying a house? You do your research, right? Right. Kind of go, go on different websites, crime, whatever.com and so on and so forth. Right. And you try to make sure that you find a place for your family to live probably in the most secure or more, most applicable to your lifestyle. Right. I would imagine if you happen to go on a website and you're looking at a house and you've seen that certain people have to report their lifestyle every month or whatever it is, that you probably wouldn't buy that house. Facts. Facts. Facts. Soon. I know I wouldn't. Facts. Nope. I know I would. Nope. So, I'm going to say, you know, well, you know, then I don't have any skin in the game. Brother, you do. You have kids. Would you, would you take, I wouldn't, I absolutely, absolutely wouldn't. And you know what? Seiko, I would pull your, your, your Detroit card. If you took Nile, I missed Nile. Yeah, few people would. Yeah. Few people would. Take a number. And, but on the flip side too, on the flip side, and I think I've shared this with you as well, back in, you know, probably a year ago. Um, there was a time in the military that, you know, I had several men that, you know, I respected were like mentors and everything coming up. And, you know, I wouldn't ever thought anything about it until I had a daughter, right? Yeah, man. Yeah. And there's been, there was certain instances, and it was a little bit over social media, but they would make certain comments. And, uh, I can tell you, even before I had my daughter and my wife, racism, you just not, you're not, you're not stepping in my house, right? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not doing it. Right, right. And, and these men, men tend to make certain racial comments for whatever reason, if they was comfortable or whatever, you know, and I brought to their attention, it's like, Hey bro, I don't know what your problem is, but nah. Yeah.  And at certain points, trust in my life, right? Yeah, man. I have to cut those men out of my life because you make comments that I wouldn't feel comfortable you being around my daughter, bro. Ain't no way, ain't no way. Right. And so, so what I'm getting at, they're, you know, hopefully Corey's are in this. Bro, again, we're, this is, we say it, this is body life, right? Facts. If, you know, if Miss Nila had an issue, Mr. Brown's going to be there as well. You know, it doesn't matter if my daughter has an issue. I'm sure Seiko's going to have an issue. Doesn't matter. So, so to say that and not answer, you know, Mr. question, it's mind blowing, bro. It's mind blowing and I don't know how much longer that will go. But I just want to say it and say that at the beginning is, you know, this is, this is not about, you know, Seiko Woods being right. It's not about Dan Brown being right. We don't get any enjoyment. We don't, you know, check a block or put a mark on the wall. That if we're right or wrong, you know, this is about loving a brother in Christ and trying to bring him to an understanding kind of like, you know, Mr. Mr. Darrell here is, uh, it's coming to an understanding, coming to an understanding. Right. So we all be on one accord. Amen. That, that, that's all it is. It's not, it's not for subscribers, not for clicks, not for views. It's, it's not subs over souls. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it is definitely to bring you back in the court and see the error and help you, also people that view, view your stuff in the same manner. And that's, that's, that's pretty much what I got to say. Put up a comment just now, Seiko. Could you put it back up on the screen? Sure. Yeah. Here it is from KL. You talking about this one? Yeah. All right. I'm going to read, I want to read it again. Make sure I read it right. Corey did spend a lot of time locked up with predators. Some of who repented and were regenerated. Is there another word after that? Yeah. Maybe he said, maybe he has much, has a much higher tolerance than most of us. Okay. Yeah. So to, to comment on that, you can have, I don't know about, you can have mercy, tolerance, whatever you want to say, um, but you can't ignore facts. You can't ignore facts. For you, somebody, I get that part, but they have no role in the church when they, when they violated children. You can't. So, so, so there's no, that's not an excuse just because you spent time with, with criminal. I'll tell you something, man.  But that doesn't mean that I'm going to, uh, forget what they've done. That doesn't mean, let's say I had a homeboy that had that, that, um, went to jail, uh, went to prison for, for, for, for touching his daughter. He did a little time and came out. You think I'm allowed him to be around my granddaughter or something? Come on. Oh, no, I got mercy and love and compassion for everybody. We all make mistakes and I don't know what to do is on drugs at his mind. I have no idea when he made that mistake, but he ain't going to be trusted to be around my granddaughter, right? No, he can't have a leadership role in the church.   Hey, there, read that comment right there. You broke my record. Read that, read that comment right there there. Read that comment right there on the screen. That's current right now to this very day. That's the pedophile who has church membership at grace, but Eileen Gray has put out the church. Mrs. Seiko, you're going to be able to answer this question for me. What does the Bible say about that comment right there? What is the church supposed to do when you have a member that's in prison for those things? Do you wash your hands of that, of that man or woman? I mean, how do you, how, how does the church, how is the church supposed to handle that? The church supposed to handle it this way. He's supposed to be, he's supposed to lose his membership. They can, they can evangelize him, give him the gospel, but they're, they should have, Grace Community Church should have retained and kept Eileen Gray's membership and not put her out. See, the church discipline should have occurred to David Gray, not Eileen. Eileen was the abused. David was the abuser. So he's gone. He's in prison, but he's still, he's still, yeah. And he's gone. You got to put him out. Yes. And he don't come back. No, he can come back upon repentance if that's what the church wants to bring him back to, but that's the point. They put him out and he wasn't repentant. Right, right, right, right. I just wanted some clarity on that comment right there. And oh, by the way, Corey knows that too. Corey knows all of this. He does know that. Yeah. But MacArthur's not the bad guy. MacArthur doesn't, he's not, he's not disqualified.  I'm going to have trouble sleeping tonight. Corey should be having trouble sleeping tonight, not, not, not, not us, but he should. I would hope that he would. I would hope that he would. Yeah. My thing is, is that, you know, what are we going to do? That's the issue. What can we actually