So thank you for joining my talk. The title is generalizing policy as code for compliance posture management on multi-cloud infrastructure. So today I'd like to share with you about the value of automated and community-based compliance posture management using compliance operator and for managed multi-clusters with hyper six. So this presentation consists of three subtopics. One is about hypersift, which is an open-source managed cluster enablement tool. So you may have an experience using some of the managed tools, but let me introduce an open-source tool hypersift. And second topic is compliance operator and compliance code, which are open-source compliance posture management, or CPM, tool and policy. So the compliance posture management is another important workload for the many cluster or multi-cloud environment. So I'd like to talk about that in the second topic. And finally, this is the new feature in this year. So adoption of the compliance operator to hypersift for consistent compliance posture management. That's the two topics. Okay, let me start with hypersift. Hypersift is an open-source managed cluster enablement, which focuses for the Red Hat open-sift clusters. And you may have an experience to use the managed cluster tools offered by cloud service provider. So you can create or delete your cluster by just clicking the button. And you may also have an experience that you use the standalone tools to manage the lifecycle of the multi-crust or managed cluster, like Terraform, Argo CD, or Tecton, through the lifecycle management API, like Kubernetes cluster API. So the hypersift is a similar tool for such standalone tools. So you can create or delete your own cluster on your bare metal or the infrastructure on the cloud service provider. And its unique feature is a hosted control plane. So I think it is better for me to introduce what control plane means. So you may know that, but let me introduce that. The left-hand side, small box, shows the inside of the standard Kubernetes cluster. It consists of two kinds of components. One is control plane component and another is worker component. So control plane, in short, the infrastructure components for Kubernetes clusters. For example, API server, ETCB, pod scheduler, or controller manager. So it is a very important component and they run on master nodes. And other workloads like users application, like database or web application or like so on, are classified as worker component and they run on worker nodes. So in a standard Kubernetes cluster, they consist one cluster with two kinds of the nodes. But in the hypersift environment, the control plane hosted on another cluster, called the management cluster. So this, the center picture shows the architecture of the hypersift. If user attempts to create a cluster, then the worker will be created for that cluster. But its control plane will be hosted in another cluster and the control plane exposes its APIs to the worker components. So the worker and the exposed APIs virtually forms the Kubernetes cluster. So when user attempts to create another cluster, then the another worker will be deployed, but the control plane will be deployed into the same management cluster. So in other words, the multiple control plane will be deployed in a single cluster. So what the benefit of the hypersift? The first benefit is that we can reduce workload by centralized management. I mean, for example, an infrastructure engineer need to apply patch to the control plane. In that case, the infrastructure engineer just need to log in the single management cluster and perform the management operations at a single operation. So that's the first benefit. And second benefit is that the managed cluster or user's cluster can be deployed quickly because the basic components like basic resources like network or strays have already been deployed as a part of management cluster. And what we need to do is just deploying the control plane components ports like API server and so on. So it can reduce the time for deployment. And finally, the improved resource utilization are similar to the virtual machines and the virtual machine monitors. Many control planes can be packed into a single cluster and it improves the resource utilization. So that's the advantages of hypersift and we can leverage it to how to say optimize the managed cluster workloads. And what other unavoidable workloads we can reduce? That is the compliance posture management. The compliance posture management is the process to ensure that an IT system complies with internal or external policies. So you may think about what the difference between security and compliance. So compliance policies often contains many security rules like minimum password links should be longer than eight characters or the length of encryption key should be larger than 1,024 bits or larger. But the important difference is that in the compliance process we need to not only configure the IT system secured but also we need to ensure or check that the system is configured as expected. That's the difference. So the compliance posture management consists of four steps. Let's go through with example policy. This is one of the rules in CIS benchmark for Kubernetes. In this rule, API server must not run with options in secure bind address. In this case, first step is collecting fact. So fact can be thought of as a configuration toward the IT system. And in this case, the facts can be collected by this file pass in the master node. And then the second step is applying policy. The rule say the string insecure bind address should not exist in this fact file. And the results should be reviewed by the compliance engineer. And then fix violation if this kind of violation is found. So in the compliance posture management, it is important that the automation and open community-based technology play important roles, especially for cloud native compliance posture management. Why? So why automation matter? As you may use the cloud native tools like DevOps and GTOPS based tools, it frequently or continuously changes the IT system. And therefore we need to perform this process frequently or continuously. In that case, how to say the legacy process like monthly or quarterly or annually, such annual check doesn't matter. So we need to perform a frequent check. So then therefore automation is essential. And the second is that open community-based. So why open matters? So as I wrote the external policies, so the many laws and industry standards exist. And that can be commonly applicable. Many organizations, for example in the financial company in Japan, such an organization need to comply with the security standard given by the Japanese financial agency. So in addition to that infrastructure is now common. Infrastructure is now common, you know, the Kubernetes. We use Kubernetes as a standardized infrastructure and therefore we can apply same policy to similar or identical infrastructure over multiple organizations. And therefore the open community is very important for this topic. Okay, let's move on to the concrete tools. The first one is compliance operator, which is an open source compliance posture check engine. So this is an operator, Kubernetes operator, but the inside of the operator, there are many mature technologies, but it is wrapped by cloud-native technology. So this figure is the same one in the previous slide, but these steps consist of multiple techniques. The for collecting fact, the cloud-native technologies like QBAPI or storage access to the host will be used to collect the fact, for example, file in the master node. And then for the applying policy, the very mature technologies used for 2008, this open SCAP started in 2008, and policies is written in XCCDF, which was standardized in 2005. And to review the result, we can use the both matured and cloud-native technologies on the XCCDF, and we can also use Prometheus metrics. And also the sum of the big, violation of fixed process is automated with the Kubernetes manifest or Ansible playbook. So with compliance operator, we can gain several benefits. The first biggest one is that we don't need to write policies from scratch. So we can use existing XCCDF rules, and I will introduce it in detail in the next slide, which is called compliance as code. And also we can integrate it with both cloud-native tools and legacy tools. For example, we can deploy and configure a compliance operator with cloud-native tools, including operator-like-cycle-manager and the ROCD or tecton. And as I told in the review result, observability tools can be used for the reviewing the result. So the compliance operator exposes its result as a Prometheus metrics, and we can use Prometheus or the Grafana for the graphical user interface or dashboard. And also we can use the matured or legacy technologies like XML, XSLT, or CSS to review the result through the browser or the PASIC to another tools via through the XML technology. And the compliance as code is a set of tech rules which are maintained by the open community, and it consists of the rules and remediation script. And the rules are written in YAML file as shown in the bottom of this slide. So it consists of location for fact, for example, in this case, so this is the same one that I introduced previous slide, disable use of insecure bind address. So in this case, the fact can be collected through the Kubernetes API with this URL and it also contains a logic for a check. In this case, the string insecure bind address should not exist in this fact data. So it supports the whole infrastructure. I mean, it contains the operating system rules and the middleware and application rules including the open shift cluster. And it supports various regulations. For example, in case of the clusters, NIST SP 853, CS benchmark, PCI DSS are supported. So all of them are very popular compliance regulations or standards in the IT industry. So let me share the architecture slide of the compliance operator working with compliance as a code. So rectangle represents components of compliance operator. First, the resource collector collects the facts from cluster which is indicated in the location in the policy. I mean, compliance as a code. And then facts will be scanned by the compliance operator with check logic provided by policy. And the result will be consumed by various tools including the metrics exporter and report generator and the automated remediator for clusters. Okay, so far I have talked about two kinds of tools. One is hyper shift for managed cluster and another is the compliance operator for the compliance posture management. So the next challenge for us is, you'd like to apply the compliance operator not only for the standalone clusters but also for hyper shift managed clusters. So the challenge here is how to support the hosted control plane feature. As I introduced in the second slide, the managed clusters under the hyper shift are split into two, how to say two or multiple parts. One is the cluster and another is management cluster. And the control planes are hidden from the user's cluster. It just exposes the APIs and the control plane component themselves are hidden and the compliance operator running in the user's cluster can't access the control plane itself. So we need to use another compliance operator instance on the management cluster. And this instance need to support multiple control planes on a single cluster. While standard compliance operator just need to check a single control plane. So that's the challenge. But if we can generalize this compliance operator both for the worker and this hosted control planes, then we can enable consistent compliance posture management. I mean, we can use same tool and same policy. So the result of check can be thought of very consistent result. KD, this is how such a feature is achieved. Actually, this is what I contributed to the open community. The adoption of compliance operator to hyper shift hosted control planes. So the most important thing is that the each control plane is, how to say encapsulated. So one control plane for one managed cluster is located in a single name space. So if there are two control planes, there are two specific name spaces for each control plane. So in a standard rules, the name space name is hard coded but we need to replace them with place for holders like this and some of the resource name is changed and therefore we also need to replace them with place holders in the compliance of the code rules. And also we need to add runtime parameter assignment feature to compliance operator. So when compliance operator instance on the managed cluster tried to perform check, then we can assign specific parameter for specific control planes. For example, the name space name is CP1 or the scan for the control plane too, the name space name might be CP2 or like so on. So that's the new functionality and with these features, we can apply the compliance operator or automated compliance posture management to the managed clusters powered by hyper shift. So these are key takeaways. So first I have introduced the hyper shift to one of the managed cluster enablement too and then introduced the compliance posture management and the concrete tools compliance operator and the compliance as a code. And I have also mentioned about the importance of the open community for this operation. And then I have introduced the adoption of compliance operator to the hyper shift. So thank you so much. So that's all from me. Please ask me any question about my presentation. Thank you. I have actually multiple questions. So like my first question is like is hyper shift and your compliance operator only works with open shift or it can work with normal Kubernetes as well? Thank you, very good question. So actually it is a QB operator and it can run on any Kubernetes clusters and you can check the underlying operating system with compliance operator for the check for Kubernetes. It only supports the hyper shift. Okay. And is there anything like it can check during the deployment as well or like it will check only after the deployment is done and it will fetch metrics? Sorry, could you say again? Like when you say Prometheus and metrics, right? Like things which are deployed, right? After that only it can scan and it can filter out the things, right? Like saying that, okay, this is not matching the compliance, right? But if I can catch those things during the deployment itself, is that possible like using some kind of GitHub actions or like, you know, something like that? No predefined trigger or like something like that doesn't exist in the compliance operator but the output is created not only for the Prometheus metrics but also the custom resource generated for the results. So maybe we can use some hook for Kubernetes resources to trigger some other actions like GitHub action. Okay. So means like after deployment only is it possible but not during the deployment or like it can catch? What deployment I mean? Like when we deploy applications, right? Like, you know, the deployment service, the state will set or config map secrets, right? So during the deployment, like, you know, while it's happening, can it stop saying that, okay, you are doing something wrong, don't push the code? I see, yeah, I see, yeah. Actually the answer is no. So this checks the runtime. So I mean the, maybe you're, what you want to do is the prevent. Correct. Like admission control, yeah. So that operation should be done with some other tools like the on the GitHub, you can use Travis or something with hook and when you would like to prevent on the Kubernetes some, yeah. So the controller like a Qiverno or OPA can work for that. Okay, thank you. Thank you, thank you for your question. Any other questions? Thank you, thank you for joining my session.


Now, winners have emerged at the maiden edition of the GYBSE competition for Nigeria's political and crime editors and leaguers. The competition was sponsored by the Kogi State Governor, Jochaya Bello, the governor represented by his chief of staff, tasked participants on accuracy and responsibility. Plasti Vafrika's correspondent, Destiny Momo Hasmo. The winner of this ESE competition. It is an evening of glitz and glam, and the presentation of awards to senior journalists that participated in the GYBSE competition for political and crime editors. The governor of Kogi State, Yahya Bello, is represented here by his secretary to the state's government for Lashadi Ayoade and accompanied by the commissioner for information, Kingsley Fawo. They both say they thought it wise to reward the work of journalists who were hardly seen. They also want journalists to set the agenda for politicians to follow. Where you report an incident really has a lot to do with the response of the masses. And we decided that it will not be fair to just reward the correspondents alone. We decided to also reward the editors. The governor decided to launch this annual event to be able to reward journalists and also to be able to shape our agenda-setting role as media practitioners. A cash prize of two million Naira was awarded to the winner from PUNCH newspaper Auguste Navode and the first runner-up from the nation newspaper Emmanuel Oladossou got one million Naira and 500,000 Naira went to the second runner-up from these day newspaper, Chiemille Aizubi. Five others got consolation cash prizes of 200,000 Naira each. I feel happy and I want to use this opportunity to thank him so very much. I'm pretty happy that at least I won something today and I'm grateful to organize as the Kogil State government. Key media professionals say the award will encourage journalists. They also commend the governor for rewarding excellence in the media. It's very unusual for state governors or government officials to come up to give as something like a self-assessment without prompting. And I think that's what Governor Eya Bello did. This will bring out the excellence in you, bring out the ingenuity in you and also a way of assessing what you also do on a deliberate basis. If you now have a government that feels that the media are doing pretty well, so we should also come up with a design to encourage or get them performed better, then that's an ingenious move. The SA competition is planned to be a national event, destiny moment for Plus TV Africa. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Hello, and welcome to the first episode of The Daily Decrypt. I hope you enjoy the sound of traffic outside my window. Today it takes 238 dollars or 212 euros to buy one bitcoin. Cointelegraph reports that what is being called the malleability attack on bitcoin continues as it has for about 72 hours now, and it's not as bad as it sounds. It really just appears, rather makes it appear to some users that they've double spent other bitcoins when by the time the confirmation has rolled around it will stop appearing that way. So it's being called a minor nuisance, but nothing life changing, and it is expected to be fixed with BIP, yes that is BIP 62 if and when that is implemented. For the weekend, the bitcoin subreddit reported that artist Imogen Heap had installed the Protip browser extension, or rather that she had made her website protip friendly. Allow me to share with you what protip is, as it looks like it could be a game changer for those who would like to earn their living online by engaging an audience and who want to get paid in crypto. Now it's currently just a browser extension for Chrome, protip lets content viewers upload or upload, I guess load, load a bitcoin wallet with x amount per week. And then as the viewer surfs from blogs to YouTube to SoundCloud podcasts, whatever, the protip extension is a keeping track of how much time each person spends on a page that has a bitcoin tip address on it. And then at the end of the week, the app automatically divvies up the bitcoin that you deposited and gives it to the content creators whose stuff you enjoyed that week. And you will find that the daily decrypt is quite compatible with protip. CoinDesk has reported on a survey called the Next Generation of Commerce Survey and it interviewed about 2,000 people and asked them if a retailer began accepting bitcoin, a retailer with whom you did not usually shop, would you be willing to switch, to completely switch your long time loyalties? And 3% of respondents said yes, but they would. And it also just so happened that the age group most likely to be willing to switch brand loyalty in order to use bitcoin are those between the ages of 18 and 22. A blockchain hackathon that will take place in Dublin, Ireland is selling tickets for participants. It will take place on November 6th, 7th, and 8th. Anyone, even people without experience in cryptocurrencies or development in general, is invited to attend. Participants will get to meet each other and pitch their ideas to one another and then groups can form and there will be 50 hours given. And the best blockchain development will receive, let me look here, 5,000 euro will be the first place prize, 2,000 euro the second place prize and 1,000 euro will be the third place prize and one of the corporate sponsors Fidelity will be giving a special prize of 2,000 euro as well. And TechDirt has reported on the RePhone, which is basically a kit. It is for builders and makers who would like to build their own cell phones and once you have built the cell phone, you can make a case for it in any number of ways, not the least of which includes a 3D printed case. And lastly, if you're not yet following Edward Snowden on Twitter, you might want to jump on the bandwagon as the NSA whistleblower garnered something like a million followers within his first 24 hours on Twitter. And while you're at it, you could follow the Daily Decrypt. As to all covered stories are contained below, as is the downloadable podcast.


In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners like you. But the way we open the episode is by talking about current events, things that are on our mind. Sometimes we mention our sponsors. That's known as the intro portion of the episode. Today's episode was 44 minutes of intro. The rest was fitness questions. Here's what went on in today's episode of Mind Pump. We open up by talking about public versus private schools. We had a discussion about the value of each and which each one brings to the table. Stay with us. Then we talked about CBD, cannabidiol. It's anti-anxiety effects. It's neuroprotective effects. Then we talked about some current events news around CBD. By the way, we work with a company called Ned that makes full spectrum hemp extract, which also contains CBD. This is the CBD product that we recommend. It's the one that we like the best. The only one.   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So red light therapy, there's a company we work with called Juve that makes a product that produces this red light and it's purported to help a lot of things. Reduce wrinkles, cellulite, regrow hair. I know it sounds crazy, but believe it or not, there's actually studies supporting it. So we talked about those studies and that part of the episode. Of course, because Juve is one of our sponsors, we have a discount for you. If you go to juve.com, that's J-O-O-V-V.com, you get a free Maps Prime program with the purchase of $500 or more and free shipping. By the way, they have finance programs. So if you don't want to pay it outright, you'd like to make payments, you could do 12 months at 0% APR financing for the Juve Go, Mini and Solo, or 18 months, that's 0% APR financing for the Juve Duo, Max Quad, and Elite. So they do hook you up. Pretty much all of them. The next question, if I lift heavy, will it cause my joints to hurt over time? If so, is there any way to prevent it? So we talk all about heavy lifting, the right way to do it, the wrong way to do it, and how your joints may actually benefit from heavy lifting if you do it the right way. No pain, all gain. The next question, this person says, is it better to do small portions of mobility work throughout the week or should you dedicate a full day to just mobility? So which one is better, which one is more effective? Final question is, what can I eat in a day? These vlogs are very popular on social media. What do we think? Why are they so popular? So we talk all about these, what I eat in a day vlogs and why we think so many people are so interested in these things. Yeah, Justin thinks they're super boring. Also, this month, all month long, our newest Maps program, Maps Power Lift, is 50% off. So this is a powerlifting inspired workout program. So if you really want to get your bench press, deadlift and squat to go up, or if you're interested in training for strength rather than appearance, or if you want to compete in a powerlifting competition, get this program. It's super valuable. Again, it's half off. Here's how you get the discount. Go to mapspowerlift.com and use the code POWER50. That's P-O-W-E-R-5-0, no space for the discount. And it's t-shirt time.  You know it's my favorite time of the week. We have three winners. The winners for iTunes are Yon94044 and DRod3650. For Facebook, we have one winner. It's James Burnham. All of your winners, send the name I just read to iTunes at mindputmedia.com. Include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I mean, I think it's fascinating what you brought up the other day about the public schools. You know, it's so weird to me. And I wonder if this is going to get disrupted in our time, where what do they say the average kid costs a public school? How much? Well, it depends where, but I know in California it's around $10,000 a year. Which a good private school you can get for $10,000 to $14,000. You can get a decent one, especially Catholic school for $10,000. You can almost get that in the Bay Area. You can get that other places. You know what the big problem, I think, is that people don't have a choice. It's based on where you live. So there's a lot of people who are stuck in whatever circumstance trying to make ends meet, and then on top of it, the school that they have to send their kid to is terrible. Because here's the thing, there's definitely private schools that are better than other private schools. But when you go to public schools, and there's some public schools that are good too, but if you look at the bad ones, the bad public schools are really bad. Like really, really bad.  Now, people that are in the system, you know, the way they think the answer to that is more money infused into those, right? That's the idea. One of the worst things you could do is give more money to something that's failing without them figuring out why they're failing. It's just bad business, bro. It's terrible. It's terrible. It makes no sense. You just incentivize bad behavior. Dude, you know what's a good example of this? Okay, so it's like the FDA. FDA is an example of this. We're not starting with all this, are we? No. Yeah, why not? Wait, are we not? Yeah, here we go. Why can't you talk about this? No, no, here's a good example. You're not afraid to talk about this, right? That's fine. I just know we're coming in hot politics. No, it's not politics. No, no, it's just... No, this is interesting now. These are... This is an interesting conversation for me now that I have a child, right? So I think about this stuff. So I'll give you an example. So let's say the FDA... Let's say something passes through the FDA and it ends up getting people sick. Like a recall on Tylenol or some spinach that has E. coli on it or something like that, right? And that happens... Let's say that happens a few times. The result of that is typically more funding.  They don't catch something. And of course, nobody's perfect, but they don't catch something or they really mess up like in the case of certain over-the-counter medications that have gone through their process. And what they end up doing is saying, hey, we need more money. That's why we're messing up. And they end up getting more money. Now with a private company, the opposite is true. If they screw up, they don't get no money. The next guy who does a better job gets more money. There's competing... There'd be competing agencies. So companies like the FDA or public schools... Here's a public school failing, not doing well at all, almost always gets put on the fact that they need more money, that they're lacking enough funds. That's always where it goes. It's almost never, hey, we're doing what the money isn't good or we're not allocating it right or we're not being very efficient. It's almost always we need more funding. And if you look at the charts, you could see that a lot of them have received more funding and haven't improved at all. So what I think should happen is, I think people should have a choice. I think if you have the money, you should be able to choose where you go. So explain to me then, okay, if the government gives the... I'm assuming that it's an average number, right? When we throw a number around like 10,000 per kid, right? That's California, I believe. Okay. So these numbers are arbitrary, right? They're different. Right. So you have 10,000, we'll just say for argument's sake in this conversation, the average public school is getting per child. And if the private school is roughly the same thing, what is it that the private school is getting that it allows them to produce such better results? I can't imagine they can't pay the teachers that much more. They don't. So then what... Teachers don't make much more in private schools or sometimes they make less. So what is it? Is it really because the private school is allowed to do their own curriculum? They don't have to follow what everybody else... To some extent, they still have to follow state guidelines. They still have certain things that they have to follow. So they're still under the regulation of the state. Are they really just managed that much better? Well, think about it this way.  Well, I go talk to the principal. Okay, but let's say...  And they lose their money. Right.  You can't afford to pay for an extra $10,000 a year for private school. So your kid goes to public school.  This is where your kid is supposed to go. You can't pull your kid out.  So you really think that's the difference? Yeah. So if that's the case, then why doesn't it make total sense to me that everybody in the United States should get a $10,000 voucher that they can go apply to any school they want? Because then that allows all schools charged like a private school would. That would even allow private schools to increase their rates because now I'm getting... They can add to it or something. Right, right. Like right now, you have to pay out of pocket to send your kids to private school right now. So how nice would that be if $10,000 of that was taken right off because the government gives you... That's actually something... So voucher programs have been used in some states. Isn't that like a charter school? Or is it different? No, different. A little bit different. Charter schools are a little bit different. And they do give more choice though. And they tend to outperform regular public schools. But it's a hundred... Look, lots of politicians propose that. They want a voucher system. We're a parent. Yeah. And you know who's... I saw that on the ballot for you in our district. Yeah, and California used to have that. Back when California had the best public schools, a lot of our schools did that. And then it went to this now where you can't do that. Now, why do you think people don't want a voucher system?  You're going to lose lots of money. And you don't want to be beholden to that kind of competition. You want to be able to be like, no, no matter what, these kids are guaranteed to go here. Otherwise, what you'll end up seeing... Because here's what would happen if we did a system like that nationwide. You see a lot of schools close down. And you'd see other schools grow. And they don't want to do that. By the way, the people that support that the most are low-income individuals. And to break it down even further, single-parent low-income households support voucher systems the most because they're typically stuck with the shitty public school in their poor neighborhood. And they have no choice. When they're given the opportunity to send their kids to other schools, oh my God, they go crazy. And that's one of the best possible... So I don't understand why we don't... I think that we should have a little bit of those forces, what you call market forces for public school so that the bad schools suffer. If you do a bad job, guess what? You lose money because kids are going to go somewhere else. Now, are you at least said that you get a tax break for that? For doing what? Because I feel like at the bare minimum... No, you get no tax break. Nothing. No, no, no. So I'm paying for public schools and private school. That's just makes no sense to me. At the bare minimum, I feel like you should be able to get that. See, then they would argue and say that they would lose funding for... Because here's the thing, and this to me paints the picture. It's like the welfare system. If you're so afraid of losing funding because we're going to allow people to take a tax credit for paying for private, then that right there tells you that your schools aren't doing a good job. If you're afraid that people are going to take their money out because they can now, that means that you're not doing a great job. But anyway, that's the big issue. So I think I would agree with a voucher system. I think why not? Why not give parents the opportunity? Have you ever looked into what they do with underperforming teachers in public schools? It is very hard to get them to be removed or... Or especially if they're tenured or something like that. Tenured. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's crazy how hard it is. They shuffle them. They just move them back and forth and do... And if you can look into some of the stories that you can read and you're just like, oh my gosh, why hasn't this teacher been moved or fired or whatever? I remember when we used to be afraid in the fitness space, when they used to be afraid to fire a trainer and they'd do that. Shuffle them around? Yeah, they just shuffle them around to other clubs.  Like, I got to get rid of him. I know he's got a lot of our clients. I know he's been here before I got here, but I got to get rid of him. I can't lead this team with him. He's fat. He doesn't live the brand. Yes. So I would call my DM and before you'd have to run by, before you do a fire and stuff. And a lot of times if they'd been somebody been there a long time and they'd be afraid to, oh my God, that's going to shake things up. And he's got this. He's already got some clients. So let's move them over to Parkmore or let's move them over to Capital. Let's move them to another club. And I don't always think like, that's such terrible leadership. Like he's only going to go poison another staff. Why would you do that? He used to do that all the time. Same type of mentality, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Well, here's the good news about it, because although our education generally does poorly when you compare to other countries, our private universities crush. They're super expensive, but they crush. But we still innovate very, very well. So although we don't seem to do well on test scores and stuff like that, our innovation still is exceptional. And I think that's more of a result of our culture. Exactly. I was going to speak to the culture, but we always talk about the differences between good gyms and bad gyms and all that. The same applies to the school system. It's like you're creating and fostering this thriving culture where everybody is stimulated and teachers are motivated to teach these kids that want to be there. It all goes hand in hand. It's like if you got one poison teacher in there that you can't remove them, it's going to affect everybody. But I'm referring really to the general culture of this country where we really value independence, independent thought, rebellious thought. There's some downsides to that. It can be a little tumultuous, but the plus sides is we have a lot of innovation. We're really encouraged to innovate, whereas in some other cultures, being different or stepping outside of what the norm is is so shunned that they have good productivity but terrible innovation. Well, to the point of public schools versus private schools, what do we look like in comparison to other countries? I have no idea what it's like. Our private schools do very well. Our public schools do pretty bad. And then what do other countries typically have? Do they have a similar split? Like where they run half public, half private, or do a lot of other countries, are they completely public? What do they look like? That's a good question. I know public school is publicly funded schools are present in every developed nation I can think of. And you know what's funny? If you look at the investments, government investments, education, it tends to be one of the smarter investments. We can show some pretty good, typically some pretty good returns with smart investment there, but it's a present everywhere. I think we have the largest private school business, I guess you would say, in comparison to other countries. We have a pretty thriving private school market, especially the universities, right? Our universities are not publicly funded and they're very expensive for other reasons. I think we've tried to make them more affordable by giving away money so easily, which has only bloated the cost of universities, but still in comparison, our universities are the most sought after in the world. Now, do we have statistics to show what percentage of kids go on to be successful entrepreneurs or big businessmen and women that came from a private school in comparison to a public school? Like how successful are they 10, 15, 20 years from now? I have my theories, but I don't have statistics. You know what's funny about that? It's so hard to tease out other factors because if there's so many... I'm a product of a public school, right? So there's got to be plenty of other versions of myself and I know you are too, right? So Justin, you were too. I did both. You did both. Yeah, so like college was all private. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, I had public... Well, I went to a state school first for college, but yeah, I was definitely a product of both. And mainly the public school I was in, I was actually fortunate that the culture itself, and like they performed very well. And so, my experience there has been pretty good. But I could see the points made, especially if you're in an area where it's like, you don't have access to a real quality school. Like that, I think there's a problem there. And I'm definitely like one to address that. Yeah, you know what the biggest impact is, is parent involvement regardless of whether it's public or private. That's key. And I think I might have spoke to that a while back, but yeah, like we want to be in the decision-making process. So you want to be a part of the board, you want to get yourself ingrained in whatever you can in terms of the community aspect, because they do listen.  So that's an interesting point, because I know that my brother-in-law has his kid right now that's in private middle school right now. It's a Catholic school over in the Bay Area. And the school actually forces a lot of the involvement. Yeah, you're required. Oh yeah, he's required to do a lot. He's got to show up to quite a few events. He's got to help, like I've never, I mean, I've never seen that in a public school before, not to that extent. So if that's a true stat, what you're saying, Sal, that a lot of it has more to do with parent involvement, whether it's public or private, I mean, it's pretty ironic to me that the private school knows that obviously, and then they make that a part of the curriculum. Well, one of the reasons why the private school does that is because in order for them to provide their services for their lower cost, and Catholic schools are the lowest cost private schools. So they typically cost less. Part of it is, of course, they have a tax. They don't pay taxes like other institutions. And the other part of it is that strategy exactly right there. So what they do is they can cut cost on personnel by requiring parents to volunteer and do other things. And they actually give you options. So some of these schools will say, you volunteer this many hours per year or you pay this much intuition. So then it's up to the parent to decide if they want to pay more or if they want to volunteer. But there's a bit of a self-selection bias going on too. I think that sometimes the parent who's willing to pay extra is also willing to... The parent that cares more, right? Maybe just has more time, maybe has more resources, or maybe cares more. I'm not sure. So I think that's the biggest... And that's not to say that somebody who sends their kid to public school, I think doesn't care. I just, obviously, if you're investing in that, you care. You might. So yeah, you might. But again, it might have just because you have more resources, more time. The parent who doesn't have that opportunity might just have no time because they're working two jobs or whatever it is. So it's good to give them options is how I feel. But parent involvement is definitely the biggest one, and it's hard to tease out. Because I'll tell you what, it has a great... If you look up the statistics of education, you know which one has a great success rate? Homeschooling. Homeschooled kids crush. When you really break it down, and this is controversial, I know some people think it's controversial.  But now, is it because they're not getting educated the formal way? Or is it because mom and dad spent so much time with their kid trying to educate them and spent so... We're so involved. I think it probably has more to do with that, you know what I mean? Because they're so hyper-involved. I mean, they're definitely... Yeah, they're doing well academically. I don't know, you know, socially. I've met quite a few homeschool kids. Well, you know that's a big myth. So I had friends who were really big in homeschool. I was going to say, it is an isn't. I'm with Justin on that. I have cousins that...  So my cousin Stephanie is the... And you guys know who she is. She's been down here. She's a big fan of the show, for sure, listening right now. And she's raised all of her kids that way. Now, they have things that they put in place to make sure that doesn't happen. Like part of the curriculum is other activities and sports and things with kids on a... For sure, weekly, maybe even daily basis. You can do that. Yeah, I think that's gonna solve that for me. And I've met some parents that are doing that where they're in all the different sports. They're in all the different extracurricular activities they even have... They show up to the school for certain things too. So they have options for them to interact. Yes, there's lots of options. Yeah, there's lots of options. Here's the reason why you may notice that some homeschool kids are a little weird or different or not the same socially. It's because the times when parents tend to take their kids out of school is because they struggle in school because they have certain issues. So what you'll find among the homeschool population is a greater percentage of kids... Self-selection there. Yes, you'll see a greater selection of kids who have learning, you know, challenge it. Well, I know... I was very deep in this. I had clients that were really deep in the homeschool community. Yeah, here in California. And did a lot of them start first in school and then they pulled them out? Yeah, so their kid has some challenges. One kid I know had such severe food allergies. That's why the parent took him out. I know a kid who was just struggling in math and reading and the public school system just was not doing a good job. And the kid was smart. He was sharp. But the way the school was handling it, he was making him feel really bad about himself and he started to display destructive behavior. So the parents took him out. Now this kid is a grown adult.  But he's super charming, great kid, super cool. Like, what's the word? I want to use very adjusted, well adjusted to adults and other kids. And his parents 100% made the right decision by taking him out of that situation. I think you see that a lot. Yeah.  So I'll take him out. And so that's why I think you see... I'm just being real, dude.   But you know, hey, have you guys been getting this? I've had some messages and I'm actually not even sure how to dance around this responding to these type of questions. But I'm getting more and more parents that are interested and curious about using CBD for the anxiety that some of these kids have. Have you guys heard any of that? And have you got any messages similar? I have. As of right now, it's not approved to be given to children. For child consumption. Except in medical situations where they either have seizures or other approved conditions. CBD got approved by the FDA for treating a form of epilepsy that you've seen kids that's just absolutely devastating. Now, do you think this is just because the stigma it still kind of has around it right now? Because I feel like it's a much safer drug than some of the drugs that these kids are getting prescribed for anxiety. You could make that case 100%. You could try to make that case. But it's still a medication. And so I would say proceed with caution. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're recommended by a doctor. Because look, CBD has real effects in the body. It's not benign. It's like you take it and it doesn't do anything. It's got real genuine effects. And the anxiety effects are the most powerful. I mean, it's clear. Especially when you use full spectrum, right? When you have like hemp extract that has other cannabinoids. You can tell you take it and 30 minutes later, your anxiety is greatly diminished. You could totally tell. What's your guys' theory on that? Do you think that's gonna change in our time? Do you think it's gonna be something that will be more widely accepted and we'll hear about parents starting to use? Because we know that the rise of anxiety and anxiousness in these kids, that this generation that's coming up and we've speculated on all the reasons why it may or may not be. But instead of actually using like a pharmaceutical for this, do you think that we're going to see in that end? What I'm hearing from what, and this is of course my own little bubble of DMs that I get of parents that are proceeding to do it regardless of what they are being told they should or shouldn't do it.  You know what I'm saying? So I'm not telling them they should or shouldn't do that. Personally myself though, if I was in that situation, I don't know. I personally would want to lean on trying that before I did some pharmaceutical. Well, so okay. So I'm gonna proceed with caution because I'm not an expert in this. I'm not a doctor. But here's how I would, and I'm gonna use my fitness, my understanding of fitness and health through my expertise and try to apply here. The way that I would use an anxiolytic or anti-anxiety drug with a child, whether it's CBD or something else, would be as a way to reduce anxiety enough so I can have them do the things that I know are gonna reduce anxiety long-term. Like exercise, go outside, change diet, hang out with other kids. All the things that the doctor would prescribe for them to do. All the stuff that long-term is gonna have a major, like if they're so anxious that they can't meet up with friends, then maybe medicating them a little bit so that they at least can meet with friends, and then they build the relationships and then we take them off medication, you know what I'm saying? Rather than leaning on having to take something all the time to fight this feeling, it's just really a signal of maybe your lifestyle. Because I mean, I see a huge difference in my kids when they're outside, when they're not on their computers or their tablets, when they're doing stuff. I hear you, massive, massive. Right, and it's not, again, instead of taking it, trying just to mask the root cause, it's maybe a segue into helping you get to the things that you should be doing that will really make a long, long lasting impact. CBD, so in 2018, we passed the Farm Bill, which allowed for the growth, for hemp, industrial hemp, to be grown federally, right? So for a while, that was real hard to get around trying to go hemp. So since then, CBD products have exploded because CBD from marijuana illegal, CBD from hemp still legal, still legal.  So you've seen an explosion, plus people are really finding a lot of value, especially for anxiety, they're finding, so they're expecting the sales to double in the next five years. And then I just read a study that showed that CBD prevents brain cell death in situations where there's, you know, situations where that could potentially happen, where you have like a poor diet or you're not getting enough oxygen, which might be good for like MMA fighters or brain trauma, like with maybe football players. Neuro-protectant. Yeah, it's really crazy. I mean, and that's really where I lean on it quite a bit, and I've been using it quite consistently over the years. And I know that between that and changing it up and making sure I get really good sleep and recovery and really emphasizing that a bit more, like it's really helped to sharpen my mind and get me to recall information a bit better. And it's like, it's hard to like, of course it's anecdotal, but it's something that I've known has really made a big impact in what I've been doing. Well, so the whole anxiety anxious thing, I wonder how closely related it is to like how I utilize like CBD, which is for me, you know, it's, you know, semi-frequently, it's when we have, we just got back from an incredible live event again.  It's so hard for me to like come down. Calm everything down. Yeah, to calm down and go to bed. And nothing has seemed to work the same for me. I mean, obviously, if I don't have my CBD with me, I'm smoking and that kind of does that where it calms, settles me down. And I don't know if that is connected more to a mental thing, if there's something going on me central nervous system wise, what it is that is that it helps me relax so I then can settle down and go to sleep. Well, it does act on the cannabinoid system and it helps your body utilize, CBD helps your body utilize its own natural endocannabinoids, which do provide the feeling of relaxation and relief. It's like you take a deep breath, you know, it's the same kind of feeling. And it definitely, it definitely does work. And it were worse different than like what a drug. Like there's things that I've taken before, like if you were to take like, You don't feel drugged. Yeah, it's not like what's the, what's the drug that helps you sleep that everybody takes all the time? Xanax, like a Xanax. If I were to take like a Xanax. Like a Benzo. Yeah, I would go right to sleep also. But it's like a, it's a, that's a heavy feeling when I take it. Very different. It's a total different feeling. And you don't get withdrawal. At least I haven't gotten withdrawal from using, because I'll use the NED, you know, consistently for a week depending on situation, then I won't use it for a week or two. And I don't have withdrawal or anything like, Benzos can cause nasty, nasty withdrawal. But I mean, I say that because I know that I've had people that like they are, they use Benzos on a regular basis. And then they want to switch and try CBD. And then they're like, oh, it's not the same.  Dude, I'll say this though. So the FDA two or three days ago released a statement on CBD. So if you're listening and you, you know, you purchase, you know, like our NED product, the NED product that we're sponsored by, which is their full spectrum hemp extract, pay attention because you may want to stock up because the FDA might be getting to the point where they're going to start to regulate CBD and banner. They made a statement a few days ago that didn't sound very positive. Really? Yes. So they may be positioning themselves to get to a point where they say... They're trying to patent the whole thing now and like bring it all back to them. It already is a patented drug. So, of course. I would imagine there'd be some battles with that before it goes all the way, even if it were to though, I feel like. You already opened up the can.  Like that's like a forbidden substance here is crazy.  Allegedly. Yeah, to get over to Ohio. We had to wrap that with a lot of plastic. So, yeah. He actually requested more. I don't like joints that much.  I didn't want to smoke it. But she had no idea that's what she was smoking on the other night. So that's what she wanted. She's like, this joint. She's like, yes. Surprised. Yeah. Tastes weird. Tastes like butterscotch. Why butterscotch? So sweet. Why would it taste like butterscotch? That's so random. I don't know. You tell me, what do you got going on up there? You, Jessica, getting a little weird lately. Disgusting, bro. Hey, speaking of traveling, what a great live event we had. Oh, bro. So obviously the Arnold class, we tried to time it. So it was around the Arnold Classic because we figured there'd be a lot of people there. So we could have a live event and they're going to be there anyway for the Arnold or gives them two reasons to go travel there. Arnold Classic last minute canceled. Crazy. Last minute canceled due to coronavirus fears. Although Ohio has zero coronavirus cases, the mayor literally told them don't hold this event. So it was canceled two days. But by the way, I feel bad for the vendors. I don't know if they're going to refund. Yeah, terrible for them. I feel bad for them. And then there's been a lot, I know. And the city in general. Lane went on a rant for the entire weekend of like trashing the whole thing. And I know a lot of people that lost a lot of money. And I totally feel for those people in the defense of Arnold in this. And I know everyone's been bashing. And we had this off air we discuss this and similar conversation.  I don't know if there's anywhere in the world that would be a potentially worse situation for someone who could have the coronavirus and come in and then spread it. Then the Arnold Classic. And the reason why I think that is I don't, at least I don't know. And you can talk about all the biggest soccer games. You would not have more than a quarter million people coming to, from all over the world, because the Arnold attracts a small percentage of people probably from the United States in comparison to everywhere else. So it attracts people from all over the world into this small venue that is in closed doors and people are running around sweating, working out and doing strongman competition. Not wearing a whole lot of clothes. Wearing stringers and high fiving and hugging each other. I don't know if there is a place in the world that is probably more susceptible to spreading something. Well, the annual World Swingers Convention probably worse. I don't think that gets a quarter million people though. How many times have you shown up to that? A lot of people touch him. Yeah, I know. But I don't think that gets even where close to a quarter million. You know what? So I was going back and forth and then somebody DM me who is an infectious disease specialist because I was like, ah, it's an overreaction. This is crazy. Yeah. So what this person said is they say, look, the general public is overreacting by going to Costco, buying up all the toilet paper and water and freaking out. That's probably not a good idea. However, the way that governments are trying to incentivize or outright tell people, cities, to not hold these big public events, they said that's a good thing because, and they explained to me the exponential growth of a virus and it made perfect sense because once a virus gets to a certain point, you're screwed. There's nothing you can do. So for example, in Italy, you guys saw what happened in Northern Italy. Oh, yeah. They quarantined 16 million people. So literally gyms are closed. Like no soccer games can be held. Funerals and weddings all canceled. Restaurants are open, but the restaurants have to separate people by three meters so you're kind of isolated. They're encouraged to not leave in self quarantine. And if they think you're trying to get out of there, then you can actually be jailed. Now, why are they doing that? In Italy, the cases of coronavirus double, double, double. So you guys know how like, you ever hear the riddle like, would you rather have a dollar today and it double every day? Or would you rather have, you know, and it double every day for the next 60 days? Or would you rather have $5 million? And the correct answer is, I'd rather have the dollar that doubles because it's exponential growth. At the end of it, you'd end up with, you know, $1 billion or something. That's what happens to the viruses. So they're trying to do, they're trying to stop it before it just goes out of hand.  And I was asking them about this. I said, you know, I read somewhere that the death rate was like one to 3%, which would make it terrible. Like that would be a terrible, terrible thing. And they said, yeah, but that's only including the people that get tested. And people typically don't go to the hospital unless they're really sick. We don't know about all the people who just had a cold or had no symptoms. And they had it and they don't even realize they had it. And the 60% that fully recovered. Yeah.  So again, the point is, probably is understandable that the Arnold Classic gets canceled. Yeah. Of all the things, right? You know what I'm saying? Like of all the things that Yeah. It was a precaution that was, looks like it was necessary. Yeah. You know what I look at too though is that economic ramifications really go downstream. And so let's say you're, you look at a city like Columbus, Ohio, this is by far the biggest event that happens there. Everybody was telling us, right? So that means it's a lot of money. It's a lot of revenue, a lot of tax money. There's a lot of businesses that completely depend on this. There was a, you know, one guy said that his business gets 30% of all of his revenue for the whole year just on the weekend of the Arnold. That's insane. That's devastating to a business like that. Completely. So now think of all the downstream ramifications. Is that going to cause more sickness and death versus the potential for this virus? Well, that's an interesting. You saw it affected the airline business with these ghost flights. Have you heard of this? Yeah. This is over in Europe, right? Yeah. Yeah. So they had actually like still to be able to keep their spot. So they have like a certain amount that they, I guess they sign sort of slots, slots that they own. And even though they're not getting the numbers to even fill any of these planes up, they still have to fly them in order to maintain their position. So which actually put a couple, one or two business out of business. Well, explain that. So the airlines in Europe, they are, you are allotted a certain amount of slots. So give me an example. Okay. So I'm United Airlines. You have these, here's your time slots. Here's your time slots. That you can fly in and out. You're already booked for them.   It's a regulation that they applied. Because what's happening now is these. So now they're forced to fly just to keep their slot. Burn fuel and do all this. Pollute the environment and just waste gas with an empty plane. Completely empty or just like low? Completely empty. No. Yep. They're flying. They're flying completely empty planes back and forth. Isn't that, isn't that asinine? Yeah. That's, that's a great example of, of.  And you have the irony, right? We have people talking about carbon footprints and doing all this.  Because if this is true, Justin, so you're, and I'm assuming that it's true. I read the same article. Okay. So you're telling me there's got to be more than one, one plane, two, that's flying ghosts for this to make news, right? Yep. Yep. So I would, I would speculate that the, the damage on the ecosystem that this one plane, this, or this multiple ghost planes could do is more than I could do by changing all of my behaviors. And, and, but that's so. Not only, not only that. That's so crazy to me. Not only that, but think of the inefficiency that is happening with the gas, the, the cost of the gas, the employees. That's all money that comes out of every, that's all money that's going to make travel expenses. This is all just negative revenue. You know what this reminds me of? So farmers would do this when they would have these, again, more, more central planning. Farmers would, would be encouraged to burn wheat so that they keep the price of wheat at a certain level.  It's so terrible. It makes no sense. Here's some practices you could do because I did a lot of reading on like how I could possibly help myself. Obviously wash your hands. Here's a big one. Your cell phone, the surface on your cell phone, a virus can live on there for like 10 hours.  So one smart thing you might want to do is Wipe your cell phone down.  Well, I was happy Rachel brought some of the, the disinfectant wipes. I was doing that all on the plane.  Oh, they give me a steaming hot cloth to wipe down all that air. Oh, yeah. Well, you paid 200, Captain Muschi over there. You paid 260 bucks extra so you could sit in the front.  Yeah, the front, bro. I get champagne to get my own dinner. It's like nobody on the flight. They give me a hot towel to wipe down all that stuff, man. Yeah, no, they come every hour or so. We were doing it wrong. We were definitely doing it wrong. But hey, I do want to say a few words about the event that we had. The VIP, bro. Let's start with that. Let me tell you that, first of all, I'm not going to be completely transparent. Whenever we do private stuff like that, I'm always a little nervous of the characters that we're going to get. Like you just don't, you have no idea who you're going to get in a room like that. And we're going to be hanging out with them for hours. And I was just so impressed with the group of people that it attracted. So cool. That I could have talked to them and hung out with them all night long. In fact, I hope that we stay in contact with these guys because all of them were really, really cool. Oh, yeah. Each one of the dudes that showed up to this event. This is the one we had all guys. We've never had all guys. We normally have a mix of couples, women, and for some reason, it was five dudes that signed up for him. And all from different walks.  Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's really cool. So he was a GC, right? Then we had Andrew, who brought the gifts. He was the Viking. Yeah, and Andrew, he owns the car dealerships. Yeah, he has like 15 of them, extremely successful. Yeah, he actually messaged me. What a fun guy. He's going to try and hook me up with the car in the future. Super charismatic. What a fun guy, right? And then next to him, you had Jamal, who I was talking to a lot, which opened up with talking about how he thought I wasn't going to, I wasn't going to be, I don't like him because he has a group training class. He's got three different locations. You know, he's as old as we are. Have you seen the dude's jack? Dude, he's so jacked. Yeah, yeah. Super jacked, yeah. Such a great feeling, secure. Such a great time hanging out and talking to him. And then I had Andrew, the other Andrew, Andrew who didn't bring a gift. He was in hospitality. Yeah, regional vice president, hospitality for hotels. Super winning character. Right out the gates. So we know when you get to a restaurant, they do the guy comes over. We're at a fancy place. We're in a private room. And so the waiter comes over and they always read the fancy special. Today's special is Venice and covered in elderberry this and then with these special, whatever. It goes on for like 10 minutes. Goes on for like 10 minutes. I'll detail it. And then there's this pause afterwards.  Oh, damn it. I'll get something else. He did it so good though, that I actually kind of, I bit hook, lie and sinker.  You got my people, dude. This dude was so great, man. And then what was Glenn, dude? Yeah, the grass cutter. The grass cutter, dude. From Canada. So I swear. We're trying to figure out what kind of grass. By the way, and we didn't say this to Glenn why we're there. But all of us, I have to, I have to tell Glenn afterwards, like this, we all afterwards, afterwards we're like, was he bullshitting us? I think he's a drug dealer and he doesn't want to tell us.  Like just cutting some grass.  And I'm like, hey bro, you could tell me now that it's just you and I.  Was that like code for like, he starts laughing at me. He goes, no, no. He goes, no, no, bro. I really cut grass for that.  I said, we really thought you were just pulling our leg. Such a cool guy. Oh man. All of them. But then the crowd that we had at the event later, this is the first time we made it out to the, you know, the Midwest, right? We've never gone out that far east to have a live event. And you know what they say about the Midwest? It's true. The friendliness, the warmth that you feel for people. People are awesome, man. One of the best crowds we've ever had. Everybody was so genuine and so nice and so just great. Just really, really great people. Had such great conversations with people hearing their stories. And of course, it's always humbling. It always, you know, reminds us why we do. Well, I was blown away just by the show percentage, right?  Especially since the Arnold was canceled. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You have a large group like that. Just that many people plan to date that for an event. Somebody gets sick, the emergency happened to family. You just, you just attribute that 10% will probably fall off minimum from that. And with the coronavirus and the Arnold being canceled and it being Ohio and thinking there's not a lot of things out going on out there, we really were, I mean, we were considering canceling it because we thought, okay, be ready. We're going to get a flood of people wanting to refund their money and we're obviously going to do it if, especially if we don't do the event. And at what point do we cancel it? Like when we get 50% cancellations and so we were kind of like freaking out when the news first came out and considering that we weren't going to do it. And we literally got one message of somebody saying, hey, we're not going to come out to Ohio. Can we refund, refund the tickets? And we, absolutely. Yeah, we had a packed house. And then everybody was there, man. There were so 150-something people. Yeah, that was great. Super cool.  Oh, love. She meant a lot to me, but, you know, and I know you guys as well, but it was just cool, man. I mean, like, we meet a lot of cool people like doing what we do and everything, but it's just so rad to see people that like just come, just literally just to support us. She's awesome. If you don't follow her, you need to. You need to find her on Instagram. I love LCK. Yeah, she's badass. She's really cool. But again, back to the coronavirus thing. So I was looking up natural potential ways to strengthen your immune system. Obviously, number one, make sure your vitamin D levels are high. Low vitamin D levels, definitely your immune system takes a hit. And here's the other one. So Elderberry, which I've talked about on the podcast a billion times. I looked up at how Elderberry works exactly to prevent viruses, because studies have shown that it works legit on the flu. It works on the cold. So it's generally an antiviral. And the way it works is, and I looked it up, it inhibits the early stages of an infection by blocking key viral proteins responsible for the viral attachment and entry into the host cell. So it might be a good idea during this season. Prophylactically to take it. Yeah, get yourself some Elderberry. Take it once a day. And it could help prevent infection. Or if you do get infected, make it a much more milder. Yeah, remind people what prophylactically means. It means upside down, anally. It's not anally. No, dude. That's wrong. No, you're wrong. You guys said that to Rachel today. I saw the look on her face. I'm like, why would you use a term like that? Prophylactic? Yeah. It just means you take it ahead of time. Yeah, but why would you use it? Prevention-minded. Because that's the way that's how you say it. No, no. And everybody's like, where do I pour it if you say that? You know what I'm saying? That's what that sounds like. Don't do that. I knew, because I live with a nurse. She says that all the time. Oh, okay. So that's different. Yeah, exactly. I know, you're right. Come on, guys. She tells you to do it prophylactically. I expect that from Sal. I expect that from Sal and not from you. She's right.  And I wanted to see if, first of all, if Sal already knew it already. Right? This is a little game I have in my head, right? All right, let's see.  And that was like their whole thing. So the inventor of that, have you heard the story about like what he did like after he died? No. Or yeah. I don't know this. Okay. So basically he had in his will and everything he had, it's very specifically written out that he wanted to have his ashes put in a Pringle can. What? Is that true? Yes. And then buried? Yeah. No, like, like, so they couldn't fit all his ashes into the Pringle can, but he literally had his ashes in a Pringle can at the end. This is my opus. This is my masterpiece. Does some lucky customer get to buy it? I don't know, dude. What kind of chips? Like put it on your mantle? I mean, if that was what, obviously, if that's what probably fundamentally changed his life and maybe his generations to come behind him, I don't know how much money he made off of that. I'd probably want to be fair. His legacy to all his family and everybody else. I wonder what flavor was my question. You know what I mean? Like, was he like onions, chives, or are we talking barbecue? Sour cream. Yeah. Do you guys like Pringles? I do. Really? They're actually. Yeah. Pringles are fake chips. I know, but they engineered them so you like them. You know what I mean? It's like super engineered.  What do you mean by that? They're chips. They're not carved off of a potato and fried. They're potato flakes that they press into the shape with other ingredients and then they create these perfect, do you think they carve a potato every time and it makes a perfect chip that fits on top of each other? Bro, they do. There's a lot of cool things we do. I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, I just found that out and I was interested. I didn't know that.  Are chips all kind of like that or not? No, a chip, a real chip, it's fried in oil.  Pringles. And they fall that way perfectly. Everyone carves them in perfect triangles? No, no, no, no. You ever open a bag of lays? All the chips, you can't lay them on top of each other. They're all different. But these are like potato flakes. And then they add on the stuff. What you're trying to say to me right now is that Pringles are more fake than lays. Yeah. I don't know, Doug. I think you should fact check to that one point. I don't know if I'm going to buy that. Which one's more fake? Yeah, yeah, yeah. First question is from FunSizeNutrition. What's your take on red light therapy? Does it actually help reduce the appearance of cellulite? 100%.  He had a lot of dimples before. A lot. Way less dimples now. Actually, if you go to his- I wasn't getting any tips. If you DM him, he'll send you the- Before and afters. No, that's all stuff. Okay, so you want to hear something crazy about this? Okay, this is- There is some truth to it, right? Life doesn't like it when we talk about that. This is weird now. Red light therapy has some pretty interesting effects on skin and the appearance of cellulite. No joke. Now, I want to be clear. Nothing is going to reduce cellulite as much as getting leaner. Nothing's going to do it like eating a good diet, exercising, getting good sleep, all that stuff. There's nothing that can compare to that. Well, somebody asked this- similar question as this to me. They actually asked specifically about the tube light and what I thought about as an investment because I've talked about it. They probably post the most about it and use it the most out of all of us. And I actually refer to the Instagram post that Sal just posted up. So it's the most recent post that he's done where he's wearing the cool guy blue blocker glasses. And I think the post is so important. And I think it's so important that people read it when we talk about products like this because no matter who we partner with and what sponsors we think have a lot of validity and value to add to people's lives. And even if we are using it and love it, we will always stand by this is the priority first. Like you have to know where it fits in the hierarchy of importance. Absolutely. So if your diet's bad, you've got a lot of your high body fat percentage using red light might help a little bit. But it's not going to help as much as changing diet and exercising a lot of stuff. Now that being said, here's the deal. There's real studies that actually show that it works. So it sounds crazy. In fact, this is how I finally got convinced to even consider partnering with a red light therapy company like Juve, which we've done our research and they have the best products that are out there in terms of effectiveness. Quality of the light. Just quality and effectiveness. But what sold me was I read all the studies because it sounded too good to be true. They were making claims like using red light therapy helps regrow hair, reduce the appearance of cellulite, tightens up testosterone, tightens up skin, resists testosterone.  And that's all my red flags go up. Awesome snake oil. Yeah, when I hear that. But when you look at the studies, it's for real. The appearance of cellulite, they've done several studies on this. In fact, some beauty salons will actually have red light therapy lights there. A lot of them do. In fact, that was the first time I'd ever seen one was out of like a salon like that when I'm using it. So before we even heard of Juve, I remember the first time I saw one of those. I was like, what the hell is that? Now, here's the problem with the ones at the salon and here's the truth. The truth is for you to reap the benefits of using red light therapy, you have to use it consistently. It's not a one time treatment and then you notice results. So the beauty salon red light, unless you're going to the beauty salon three to four days a week and using the red light there, it's probably not going to do anything for you if you go get your once a month facial or whatever and then use the red light. It's not going to do much. It has to be done consistently. That's what the studies show. The studies show that a regular use of red light therapy has all these benefits. Now, how does it work? Well, what the red light actually does, it actually penetrates pretty deep in the skin and it tells the mitochondria of the cells in the body to produce more energy. By producing more energy, you get better collagen production. You get the stimulation of cells to produce hair. So people who are losing their hair, red light therapy has been FDA approved to cause hair growth, regrowth. Now it's not going to take like, it's not going to make you from bald to like a full head of hair. But if you're thinning, you'll notice my brother noticed a huge difference. He actually posted the pretty dramatic. That was what this person that was asking was actually asking in relation to that. And they know my whole story. And I said exactly what I said back to them is, this is what I noticed personally. I noticed that when I am doing it at least three times a week for a good 15, 20 minute session, I feel like my hair is thicker. The minute I stopped doing it, I feel like it kind of regresses and goes back. And so it's something that, I just have to make part of my routine. And then I've set it up in our spare room and it's part of my routine. It's actually Max, I'm normally playing with Max when I have it on and I'm kind of just sitting in front of it while I'm doing that. And then I'm also answering DM stuff. I've made it into a habit that I constantly do it all the time. Yeah, I still use my, I remember there was a study came out about the cognitive benefits and I've had it like shining every time I go down in my office and I'm doing work, I have it on.  And so just because like I know that, you know, it's not going to be a detriment to me. It's going to be, if anything, it's going to be a positive benefit. So, you know, that's something that I'm just constantly trying to be conscious about like applying. Yeah, it reduces wrinkles and fine lines through college and production. So, again, in studies, and these are real studies, people using it on a regular basis saw that their wrinkles got a little, because if you boost college and production, you're going to have less wrinkles and less cellulite.  So it actually legit works and it's crazy to say that because it sounds so crazy. But the studies go way back. So this is, by the way, red light therapy is not new. The good products are relatively new, but the science has been around for a long time. And scientists, these studies, they go way back. They go decades back where you could see that it actually has these positive effects. Now, really high quality, here's the two drawbacks. The one drawback is it must be used consistently. So it's not something you could do every once in a while. If you use it, use it weekly, probably two to three days a week is probably best. The second thing is high quality red light therapy devices are not cheap. They're not inexpensive. If you go online, you'll find a lot of red light therapy lamps and lights and they're inexpensive or whatever, they promise you the same thing. You could paint your light bulb. Exactly, it's not going to do the same thing. No, and it's also the wavelength. Is it being scattered or is it focused? The power, there's a lot of things you want to consider. It's not inexpensive technology. But there are options too, like those little minis. I do tend to like, that's where I'm more mobile with that. So I'll bring that with me when I need to use it. So they do have options for that. They're a little less of a dent in your wallet. Look, I tell you what, this is what I said to, because we have one at home and Jessica would use it on her face and stuff like that. And the way she rationalizes, she's like, look, 15 minutes, three days a week, versus having to spend that much more time putting my makeup on to try and cover up wrinkles or whatever. She says it's a trade-off. I'm actually spending the same amount of time, if not less. I might as well just use this a few days a week. Well, and you can multitask.  She just mounts it right up right next to her face. Oh, while she's working.  Make it sound crazy. Yeah, I mean, and that's how I use it. I don't do it. Just let it blast her. Yeah, well, I do other things while, and that's part of why I like the big one, because the big one illuminates my entire room. So I can kind of like move around a little bit and do things. So I like to be able to multitask. I know how compression socks work in terms of like varicose veins and things like that. Is there any impact? Like you could do like compression pants or anything like that to address like, what do you call it? Cellulite? No, I don't think so. No. That's probably more beauty hustle. Yeah, no, I don't think so. I know that they can wrap. You can wrap your body with these plastic wraps and whatever, and then you'll get this temporary size shrink. Yeah. And then, you know, hours later. It's just water. Yeah, hours later. I don't think a Juve light's going to burn more body fat, although there are some interesting studies that show that it does cause a little bit of an extra calorie burn. So you could theorize that it might, but I think it's going to be trivial, that kind of stuff. So I wouldn't say burns fat or anything like that. Recovery, it's been well known that red light therapy speeds up muscle recovery. I know physical therapists have used it in the past for joint healing and wound healing. Wound healing is where a lot of the science is with red light therapy, where it actually helps speed up the healing of wounds. So there's a lot of applications, but if you're doing everything right, it definitely works. And oh, Doug's making, he made a note there. That is very true because the technology is not cheap. They do offer a payment plan. So you can invest in red light therapy and you don't have to pay it all up front. Next question is from Joel Karns III. If I lift heavy, will it cause my joints to hurt over time? If so, is there any way to prevent it? Yes and no. It really depends how you lift heavy, how good your mobility is. That being said. And how often? And how often you cycle out of that. But that being said, if you're constantly testing, you're pushing your body, even if you do everything perfect, at some point, a 180-pound guy squatting 350 pounds or 400 pounds or deadlifting 500 pounds, that is a lot of weight. Pressuring the hinges constantly. Yeah. So at some point, maybe, it might cause some joint pain, but the big bulk of whether or not it does or not has to do with your mobility and your technique. That's really the most of it. Well, I think of it like, get on your house or your front door and jump on the door and swing on it one time.  It's the same concept. And I think that most people, and we talk about this a lot, like I think we all love to lift heavy, and I tend to stick in that phase longer than when I should. And the first sign of I know I need to get out of it is the achy joints. It's like once I start feeling that, or feeling tight all the time, losing mobility, I know that I've stayed in that phase too long. It's time for me to move out of it. So I think as far as how long you can lift heavy, I think you can lift heavy for years and year forever if you learn to cycle in and out of it and give yourself that recovery. Yeah, absolutely. And I think you'll hear the term bullet proofing your joints. I like to think of it as fortifying my joints. I want to put the effort in to constantly have in my routine a plan to make sure I maintain the mobility and the strength around the joints to really then keep applying that type of demand and load and pressure for my muscles to respond to. But yeah, you still have to weave in and out of it because inevitably you're going to get to a point where you're really pressing outside the limitations there. And you don't always know what that looks like, especially if you're really grinding out a super heavy load. So yeah, testing your max all the time would be where I'd say, well, we got to be careful. But look, I tell you what, I train a lot of older people for a long time. At least for 10 years of my career, I specialized in training people over the age of 60. And I had them do heavy phases and all of them got better joint mobility and better movement and felt better. This is true. You know, I'm talking about the guy or girl who pushes themselves to the point where they're hitting PRs and they're lifting a lot of weight on top of it. Then you got to be careful. Like once you reach a certain level of strength, then you got to because when I look at, here's a deal. I take the average guy who's 180 pounds, 200 pounds, and I have them do a strength cycle. We might get up to 250 pound deadlifts or something like that, right? After years and years of training, like if you look at me, I've been working out for a long time, my heavy deadlifts are 500 plus pounds. If I make one small movement wrong in my deadlift with 500 pounds, the odds I'll hurt myself are higher than the dude that is still lifting heavy for himself, but it's only 250 pounds. That's a good point. So that's when it starts to kind of, you got to be careful. But I'll use Dugget as an example. He hired me in his 40s with back pain. That's actually the main reason why he hired me. We did, and we did it properly, of course. We worked on getting his, building his body up the right way, but we had him deadlifting 350, close to 400 pounds. His back pain was gone. So lifting heavy in that case actually benefited the pain and made him feel a lot better.  I think the problems from lifting heavy aside from poor mobility, poor movement, poor technique, the problems come from always trying to beat your previous best. At least that's my case. If I ever hurt myself, it's not from lifting heavy. It's from trying to beat what I did before. That's when I start to get into trouble. It's like, all right, I know what my max was before. Let me see if I can beat this. And heavy is very relative to where you're at currently at that moment, right? So like heavy deadlifting right now for me is like in the low 400s. Low 400s, that's really heavy for me right now. I don't have the same strength as when I was pulling 550. So I can't think about the 550. I can't go into this deadlift session. Like if I'm going to deadlift today, which is on my calendar, if I go to deadlift today and I decide today is a heavy day, well, just because I was lifting well and deep into the 400s doesn't mean that that'll be a heavy day for me today. So learning to adjust where you're currently at for what's heavy. And I think it's a good point, Sal, because I think a lot of people compare, oh, this isn't that heavy for me. I've done way more than this. Well, it could be very heavy for you right now if you haven't gotten to sleep. Yeah, you're doing the same muscle mass as you had on back then. So learning to adjust that is so important to also taking care of your joints. And we just recently saw Dexter Jackson compete in the Arnold Classic. He got second place. He's in his 50s. He's the most winningest bodybuilder of all time.  Pro bodybuilders obviously are at a different level. They train themselves. This guy's in his mid 50s, no injuries. Great movement, great mobility. But if you watch him how he works out, he's very careful with his form and technique. Very different from Ronnie Coleman.  And that poor guy is suffering quite a bit. And you can see this down the list of these bodybuilders. Vince Taylor, another guy, I believe in his 60s now. That guy competed into his 50s. He was also very careful with the way he lifted weights. And all the people that I've ever worked out with or had worked out in my gyms that were in their 60s, 70s, and even 80s with great fitness, they were just smart. You know what I mean? They weren't testing themselves all the time. They were just very smart with how they worked out. And their form of heavy lifting, which was smart, is what kept them away from pain, not the other way around. Next question is from Jamil A-144. Is it better to do small portions of mobility work throughout the week, or should you dedicate a full day to just mobility?  It's different than workout and workout intensity, the way you approach it. Like it is far more beneficial that let's say, let's just take one mobility move that I think has a lot of benefits for a lot of people like the 90-90. And it's spending an hour of doing all kinds of 90-90 moves for an hour, like intense, doing all kinds of, you know, on both sides, and the heel lifts, and knee lifts, and rotation, and angling at your knee, then your calf, then your ankle, and like all these variations, just hardcore mobility 90-90 session for a day, is less valuable than doing five days a week for five minutes. You know, five days a week for five minutes is going to give you, that's less time too. So, frequency is king in this case, and you're looking to do it, I'd rather see a client do, you know, three five-minute sessions in a day than a, you know, one hour long session and they don't do it again for the rest of the week. Yeah, totally. You have to ask yourself, what is the outcome? What am I looking to do with mobility work? Am I looking to build muscle? No, you're not. What you're looking to do is connect to new ranges of motion and achieve better stability in those ranges of motion. So really it's a practice thing. It's a connect and practice. Here's the other thing you're trying to do with mobility. You're trying to create new movement patterns, okay? So think about it this way. Imagine if for most of your life your ankle was damaged, so you had very, very poor ankle mobility, and so as a result, you ended up learning to walk a particular way. You walk with a slight lean or a slight hobble because your left ankle was damaged. So that's just how you walk now, right? Then all of a sudden there's this new medical advancement where they could actually fix your ankle to have perfect mobility. So you get that new treatment. Now your ankle moves well, but you've been walking for 10 years a particular way. You're not going to automatically switch to a new way of walking. That old way of walking is your second nature. That is your recruitment pattern. So what would be a better way to get a new way of walking? To just practice walking real hard for an hour once a week or to practice throughout the whole day every single day, right? Which one is going to create a new recruitment pattern? Same thing with mobility. That frequent practice throughout the day is far more beneficial than treating mobility like a workout that you're trying to build muscle. That's not how it works. Now you're still going to get some benefit if you did the one day a week of mobility. It's still way better than nothing, but if you had to pick between the two, frequency would trump it all day long. Next question is from Chef Katie, 1989. What I eat in a day vlogs are very popular on social media. Why do you think we are so interested in what social influencers eat? They are popular. I asked myself this question all the time. To this day, it baffles me. If I were to start tracking, and I've done this multiple times since I've had Instagram on, and if I post my macro breakdown and then I share the meals throughout the day, nothing gets more traction on my stories than that alone. And it's fascinating to me that people really want to see that. And I think there's two sides to this, right? I think we've heard the term like food porn before. So I do think there's this people just- Oh yeah. I do think that there's a percentage of people that just obsess over seeing food and more likely the ones that probably have relationship issues with it and that are like almost fantasizing about all the different meals. I think there's that percentage. And then I think there's a percentage of people that are just genuinely curious of, okay, this guy talks about nutrition. I trust the information he's providing. I'm really curious to exactly what types of meals he's choosing on a day-to-day basis. It's also, I think they fee- They also see it as like a hack. It's like, this is a formula that I- Maybe I'm going to try this formula. Like, this is something that I can implement to give me whatever amount of weight I need to lose.  So therefore, I'm going to repeat those patterns I see. And to me, I see that too with athletes a lot. Like people like idolize people. And so it's like, now I want to do all these crazy movements. That's a good point. Because that's what these athletes are doing. And so this is the formula, obviously. I also think, because it's not just fitness people. It's also any celebrity. If they post what they eat, everybody's super interested. Part of it, I'm sure, is people wanting to be more like that person. So they think, oh, if I see what they eat, now I can eat the same way. And then the other part of it is this. What you eat does kind of say a lot about you. And it is a bit of a private thing that is private enough to where it's really interesting, but not so private that you're not afraid to share it. So it's like, you get to peer into your favorite celebrities eating habits, which is a private part of their life. So it's like, I'm a huge fan of whoever, Tom Hanks. And oh, now I get to see what Tom Hanks eats all day long. I get a kind of a private view of the personal habits of this person.  Because think about it. What you eat is a bit of, I mean, food is so shrouded in culture and context and all that stuff. Like it is kind of fascinating. I mean, I find it fascinating as well, not of all celebrities, but certain kinds. I find, you know what I found really fascinating? I went through a whole period where I was really interested to see what Andre the Giant was eating. Well, yeah, there you go.  He was really crazy. Or like I know one of the most read articles is Michael Phelps, what he ate in a day. Yeah. 10,000 calorie thing, I think went viral when everybody was talking about that. Yeah, it's really interesting, but it doesn't really give you any useful information. Well, to me, that makes sense. And I guess in fitness, you're in this kind of performance space, whether it's for look or for lifting weights. So people are interested in what are these people eating to either look like this or perform like this. So there's that curiosity, I think that people, a lot of people have, you're right. I think this is to both your points here. I think that people are looking at this person who's telling this, I'm assuming that they're in the space. I'm assuming that they're a fitness person. And the people that are following you are probably interested in either one, looking like you or two, performing like you perform. And so it is, like Justin said, kind of a hack for them. It's like, instead of me having to calculate my macros, figure all this out, I identify with this person, I'm kind of like them, I want to be more like them. I'll just, if I could see what they're eating, I'm going to eat the same way. So there's that curiosity.  No, you're getting the best. You're not going to just put out the regular, like I just had. Well, you know, I don't know. I would make the, what I think it is, it's either one or the other really bad, right? It's not a very good snapshot of what's going on. I think either you have one side that shares all the good they're doing, or you have the other side that annoys me just as much, all the cheat days to show all the 100%. That's what I mean. It's never representative. It's not like an average day. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's extreme one way or the other.  That's what I think they're doing.  Yeah, this is my lunch today. It's a frozen burrito. It's an interesting hack that social media people have figured out. And I wonder what it would do. Like imagine if like we just made it an effort, like, okay, every day when we start these podcasts, you had to tell everybody what you did yesterday. But you ate. Yeah, I bet you it would go crazy. Kill me. I really, yeah, I know, I know, probably. It'd be boring. It would be for us, but I bet you a lot of you. After four episodes, you'd be like, again? Yeah, you ate that again. Again?  What are you doing? Yeah. Anyway, go to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides, resources, and books. 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