Hey everybody, tonight we're debating Flat Earth versus Globerth, and we are starting right now. With our Globerth side and their opening statement, thanks so much Tom, Jump, and Sybil for being with us. The floor is all yours. All right, I'm Sybil Sanity. I am definitely not a Globerth expert. So I have no background in physics, astronomy, or natural science, or anything other than the college basics. There are, however, some things that don't really make sense to me for me in a Flat Earth worldview and some things that I've seen myself. Why you can see farther when you're higher up, why you can take flights that circumnavigate the globe, what about a occult pendulum or constellations that spin in different directions in different hemispheres, any number of things. So basically, I've come here kind of as an open book, and I will hope that my Flat Earth interlocutors would like to convince me. Teach me about your side, make me see what it is that I'm missing over here and how your worldview explains things better. Go ahead, Tom. Oh, sure. So yeah, we've been to space. We can literally see the planet and see it is round and globe-shaped. We can verify this in many different ways. We can reflect light and sound and radio waves off to the moon to know how far away it is. We can shoot rockets and spaceships into space. We can see them. We can see the International Space Station with the Powerful of Telescope. You can see it there. You can build satellites and bounce things off them, send signals to different locations from the satellites and count how long it takes for the signals to go from one point to another to know how far away it is, to know how what size it is. You can use radio waves to bounce signals off of the atmosphere, to know the shape of the atmosphere and how far away it is. We can measure all of the different aspects of the shape of the Earth. So it's completely ridiculous to think the world is flat. It can't be unless we're all in the matrix and it's just all an illusion. It's not possible for the Flat Earth to account for all the data without some mass delusion hypothesis. All of the evidence, including the fact that we can literally see it, shows the world is in fact a globe and we've known this for about a thousand years or so. I'll conclude there. Thank you very much. From our globe Earthside, we are going to kick it over to the Flat Earthside. But first, want to let you know, folks, if it's your first time here, consider hitting that subscribe button for more juicy debates coming up in the future. For example, next week, a two on two debate on whether or not Bigfoot exists. You don't want to miss it. So do hit that subscribe button and that notification bell as well. Thanks so much, Flatter Day Saint and Jackie for being with us. The floor is all yours. Thank you. And I'm standing on the floor. I'm standing on actually looks curved. So for a second, I thought it was on a globe. But okay, so to kick it off the noun for level, a horizontal plane or line with respect to the distance above or below a given point, adjective, having a flat or even surface without slopes or bumps, the verb, give a flat and even surface to. And I just wanted to give shots out to McTune, who in 2021, I quote, he says, level means curve. So shots out to McTune, level means curve. All right. So to kick it off, I heard, well, there we go. So I heard, let me just bump on a couple of things T-Jump said. So T-Jump said, we've been to space. So I don't know if he's talking to me, me personally. I've never been to space. Have you been to space T-Jump? Don't answer that right now. You can jump about that later. He also said we've reflected light off of the moon. I've never reflected light off the moon. T-Jump rhetorical question. Have you reflected light off the moon? I don't think you have. If you have, I'll hear about it later. Have you personally seen the ISS, T-Jump? Have you built satellites, T-Jump? Or are you just repeating what you've heard? Now, somebody in my comment section earlier, they said, they were answering a question. I said, why are we even having this debate? It's ridiculous. So many things to prove the earth is flat. And somebody goes, they were trying to clown and they go, because the earth looks flat and then they put like a funny face. So even globers admit that the earth looks flat. And it does. When I can take a ruler, hold the ruler up and look in every single direction as far as I can see from east to west along the ocean and it's flat. Horizon means horizontal. T-Jump said that they send satellites up into space. Why do they send satellites up into space? Pete, my channel, I went to Fake X down in Hawthorne and I exposed some of their fake satellite globes that were just out next to dumpsters. Employees were walking around with beer in their hands. None of them could answer the question of how you can have the vacuum space next to a pressure system on earth without a solid container or physical barrier. 99% of internet connection comes from undersea cable. So are we as taxpayers spending around $51 million a day for them to send up satellites for that? Just that 1% of internet? It's funny because that 1% of internet is kind of clipped off by the Google Loon project. Research Google Loon, that's L-O-O-N. Jackie, the floor is yours. Thank you. So I basically back everything up he said. He kind of stole my words actually. I was going to say, you know, T-Jump, he kept saying, we, we, we, we, we've done this, we've done that, but I really don't think that you have. I know I haven't. So and yeah, and also our eyes, they say we can say, we can see infinitely into space, but we can't see that far when we're on land. Even if we're on a high mountain, we still can't see. I know there's refraction and all this, you know, particles in the air and whatnot, but still our eyes can't even really see infinitely. That's another thing. But it's, it's kind of, it's kind of amazing that they say we can see infinitely, but then we can't see because the curvature of the earth, it's like perfect. So which one is it? Can't see because the curvature, we can't see really that far, but I know that the aperture in our eyes is small. We can't see infinitely. So, but I don't know, I don't know what that has to be the flat earth, but I'm just saying that I'm kind of putting that into word like NASA's lying about how just, yeah, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done for now. Thank you very much. And we will jump into open conversation. Folks want to let you know that our guests are linked in the description. We really do appreciate our guests. And so you can hear or read more from all of our guests by clicking on those links in the description. And that includes if you are listening via podcast as we are very excited folks that modern day debate is available on podcast. And if you haven't checked it out yet, please do check it out. And if you're listening to this debate via podcast, you can find our guests links in the description there as well. So with that, we're going to kick it over to open discussion. The floor is all yours. Oh, you guys don't believe in space, right? I mean, I believe in space like when your girlfriend's mad at you and you need to give her some space, but as far as what NASA says, no, I believe that there's a firmament over us and all the stars are set in their fixed locations. And the moon is inside the firmament, I'm guessing. I believe so, since I've actually videotaped the moon with a P1000, and I've seen lunar waves multiple times. So it's not very far away, then it's not like NASA says it's 240,000 miles away. You're saying it's not that far away. Yeah. So let's just touch on that for a second. So NASA says it's, you know, the shining 237,000 miles away room 237. So NASA says it's between 237,000 and you said 240,000 miles away. Yeah, it's about 238.5. But, Oh, interesting. Is that all the time, or does it change? Yeah, it changes because it's revolving around the earth. So it's okay. So what would be, what would be, it would be from what to what then, T-Jump? It's just about 240. That's good enough. Like, That's good enough. It doesn't matter. A couple thousand miles give or take, it doesn't matter. Not really. I mean, it's moving at 2000 miles an hour. It doesn't, it's not that big of a deal. Like if you're standing on 2000 miles per hour, but the ISS is supposedly moving at 17,900 miles per hour, which is 25 times faster than a speeding bullet. Is that correct? Yeah, compared to the earth. So we're measuring its speed revolving around the earth. This moon's not revolving as fast because it's not as, it's much bigger. So it's not as effective by the gravity in the same way. Smaller objects can go faster and closer to the center of mass. Yes, they're faster. So smaller objects go faster, but the sun, which they say, I don't know how much time is bigger than the earth, is moving 60,000 times faster than the earth? Relative to the galaxy. Well, no, no, relative to reality, bro. So relativity is this thing where speed is measured by your frame of reference. So, but I still like an answer to my question about the moon. So, so how far away do you think the moon is? Well, I was asking you how, how far away do I think it is? Yeah, like from your world, that would just be my opinion and I couldn't prove that. So that's fine. I'll keep my opinion, I'll keep my opinions to the side. But what I, since you guys are making the claim that the earth is a cartoon spinning ball brought to you by Jesuit priests, what you guys actually have the burden of proof. Okay, so I say I can prove the moon is 240,000 miles away. You think it's not that, right? You think that's way too far, correct? Yeah, so the thing is, that's why I asked you, you said the moon isn't always 240,000 miles away, right? Yeah, it's about approximately, so it makes no difference. So you think it's not anywhere near that, right? You think it's a lot closer than that? Yeah, but I'm also gonna, let's just say devil's advocate. Let's say what you say is correct, right? I'm also gonna chip away and break open what you say, because when the moon rises and when it sets, it's four times larger and four times less bright, bro. So I can take a flashlight in a room, shine the light far away. The beam of light is further away, right? The beam of light is gonna project a bigger beam, not as bright. The closer I get to beam to me, the brighter and smaller it's going to become. That's still what we see every day with the sun and the moon. Yeah, a mirror is brighter if you point it directly adjacent to the light source. Like if you have a flashlight, if you point the mirror directly at the flashlight and you, it's brighter than if you tilt it a little bit. Wow, surprising. Surprising, so you're admitting that there's a mirror above us, like a dome, right? The moon is the mirror, the light is reflecting off of the surface of the moon. Really? So moonlight's actually colder than sunlight. Moonlight, I don't know if you ever take you for $36, you can go down to Home Depot by a thermal laser thermometer, take the temperature of the same surface in the moonlight as you do in the shade of the moonlight. And it's about two degrees warmer in the shade of the moonlight. I mean, have you ever done that experiment? I have no idea what you're talking about, but you still haven't answered my question. So you think the moon is not 240,000 miles away. You think it's about how far. I don't care the exact numbers. I'm just asking your opinion here. It doesn't matter what the exact numbers are. Well, I think it does. It matters a lot what the exact numbers are. But you say that's not how far away do you think the moon is? Is it anywhere near what the scientists say? Or is it nowhere near what the scientists say? It's nowhere near what the scientists say. Okay. That's that's all I that's all I needed. So do you know what radar is? Yeah. Does can we measure radar here on earth? Can you like each one of us, we can build a radar kit and measure distances, sizes, shapes, speed by using radar, right? Yeah, that's correct. Super, super. It's not super expensive to build radar. They did it in 1950s. Yeah. They did it in 69 with the moon landing, right? Not what I'm talking about here. So can we bounce radar off of the moon? Can we bounce radio waves off of the moon? You're asking if we mean you could? Yes, me. I mean, personally, no. I know I couldn't do it just because I live in reality. So we can actually, we actually can build home kits of radar that are powerful enough to bounce radio signals off the moon. And so what? Nothing. All right. So we can literally build these. They're not expensive. They cost less than like 10 grand, four grand is you can build a good one for four grand. Totally possible for any human being in a first world country to build radar that can bounce signals off of the moon. Are you saying in a first world country? Yeah. People with money and technology. Like a third world would be harder because you don't have the technology. So if we can all, we can all do this. Any one of us, you, me, your girlfriend, James, maybe not James, but any, any normal human being can do this. We can build a radio signal that can be bounced off the moon. And we can literally measure and count how long it takes for the signal to go to the moon and come back. Do you know how fast radio waves move? So let me just ask you something. Have you ever personally done that to jump? You have. Yep. That's really cool. This is how do you know that? How do you, can I ask you another question? How do you know that your signal is not bouncing off the firmament? How do you know it's bouncing off the moon?  So if the earth is traveling at spinning at a thousand miles per hour, right? While circling the sun at an ungodly unfathomable amount of miles. And then you said the moon is moving at what? 2000 miles per hour? Yeah, in reference to the framework. So it's not bouncing off the firmament because it doesn't come back in any direction we point it. It only comes back when we pointed at the moon for some reason. Really? Yeah. Okay. So the way radar works, correct me if I'm wrong. You can't have radar. You can't be going at a certain speed while something is going at a completely different speed and think you're going to get the radar to bounce off. You need to have two objects that aren't really moving. Do you know what a submarine is? Yeah, I do. What a plane is? Yeah. In fact, the definition of planes means a level surface. I'm just saying though. Airplane, airplane. So you want an airplane. Plane, level surface. Airplane with wings that flies, has engines on it, airplane? Yeah, like something that doesn't dip its nose every couple minutes to make up for the imaginary curvature. Yeah, sure. I know what that is. Okay. So do they put radar on airplanes? I don't know who they are. You mean like the Illuminati? I mean people who build airplanes. Do they put radar on airplanes? I mean they say that they put jet fuel on the wings and that's a hoax too. They say that the jet fuel took down three buildings with two planes. What does this have to do with what I said? So trying to say that. I'm not saying I don't believe anything they say. So do they have radar on an airplane? I have no idea, bro. Do you install radar on a toy model airplane? Could we do this? Probably. Probably not. He's not tech savvy. Okay. So it's pretty easy to take to build a radar kit. They're very cheap and anybody can do this. And it's very easy to install this on an object like a toy model plane. And I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that the radar on an airplane, they're sending it back to the airport, right? No, I'm saying that they can, while they're in the air, they can use the radar to detect other planes. Okay. So one moving object can use radar to detect another moving object just fine. That's how submarines work. Submarines do it. Planes do it. Cars do it. Okay. And how far can that radar go? I'm just curious. It depends on how powerful you send the signal. So the more powerful the signal, the farther it goes. And for a more powerful signal, you would need what? More batteries? More electricity? Yes. Okay. So how much battery power do you know, since we're on the subject, how much battery power or electricity would you need to send a signal a quarter million miles away, bro? A few car batteries. A few car batteries. Yeah. Radio waves aren't like super powerful. Really? So radio waves don't spiral out, right? They just go in a straight line forever and they stay strong the whole way. Spiral out. So they diffuse as it spirals. They diffuse. They don't spiral. They diffuse, yes, over time. But radio waves are electromagnetic waves. So it's like light. So just like how the light off of the moon comes to us, that's we're simply just doing the same thing in reverse sending a radio signal back. It's not super diffused. Okay. So you're saying you with a few car batteries, you could do that? Yes, literally. You really think that? Yes. There's literally manuals and videos of you can watch people doing this on YouTube and you can replicate it yourself. You can go buy the equipment and do it yourself. Any human being can do this. People do this in college all the time. It's very, very simple. So we can build a radio tower, radio, like as soon as it's a dish, and send radio signals and we can measure them here on earth. So we can measure that building is this far away. That plane is this far away. It's moving at this velocity. We can measure speed and size and distance all with radio waves. And you can use the exact same thing and point it at the moon. And for some very strange reason, it takes two and a half seconds for the signal we send to the moon to come back to us. Now radio waves, I'm not sure if you know this, since they are like lights, electromagnetic waves, it travels at the speed of light. And we can measure that here on earth. We can measure the speed these things travel. So if it's two and a half seconds for it to hit the moon and come back, that's about 500,000 miles if you want to do the math, 186,000 miles a second for two and a half seconds, about 500,000 miles. And then divide it by two, because it's going there and back, you get 240,000 miles. Why do you think that is? I mean, you're just saying numbers that are two. These things can't even be proven by any physicists.   Which numbers can't I prove? All the numbers you're just saying, bro. It's just, it's laughable, bro. I mean, even the news, if you watch a news feed from the other side of the world, there's like a five to seven second delay, bro, even now in 2021.  I mean, can I ask you something? Do you believe that Phelan Musk sent Tesla Roadster to space? I don't follow Elon Musk. So we can measure, like you personally can measure the speed of light. What you do is you stand on a mountain or just any, like over a long distance, you point a flashlight or a laser or a light of some kind at the opposite side of the river or lake or whatever. And then you have a gear and if you can turn it, you can find that there's an increment in which you can see the light and can't see the lights. And so you can literally measure the speed of light yourself here on earth. We can do this hundreds of years ago. So I don't, like, why is this, why is this something impossible that you can't show? Why can't you measure the speed of light?  So you're going, I'm waiting for the explanation of why we cannot measure the speed of light. Saying I'm a Shill is not an explanation of why we cannot measure the speed of light. It's, that's ridiculous, bro. Measuring the speed of light. Come on. Why is that saying? Well, I'm going to tell you why Superman can't fly or why Santa Claus can't come down your chimney, bro. It just doesn't make sense. It's not logically sound. It doesn't make sense. It's ludicrous, bro. How is that ridiculous? Like, can you, can you see a flashlight from the other side of the lake? Yeah, but you can't measure time with your eye. I mean, light with your eyes, bro. That's ridiculous, bro. I mean, we're not living in an X-Men movie. Come on, bro. Can you bounce the light off of a mirror? Yes, right. So you point a light in a direction and it goes in the direction and it bounces off a mirror. Yeah, you can't see that, bro. You can't measure. It's just ridiculous, bro. I think you can measure the speed of light. It's really not. It's pseudoscience, bro. You may want to just Google how many people have done this. It's pretty simple. Like, it's not a hard thing to understand. Like, this is not hard. But suppose we could. Suppose there was some magical way we could measure the speed of light and it came out to 300,000 meters per second. And then we pointed at that an object. Like, well, do you think radar is accurate? Do you think that radar accurately measures distances between stuff? Yeah, but only up to a certain point, bro. Why? Why is there a distance limit? Because just like with any type of radio signal you're sending out, it spirals out. So it starts out strong. Imagine you're tossing a pebble into a pool of water, which, by the way, is flat. Last time I checked. And then so when the pebble hits in the water, the first ripple is really thick. And as it ripples out, the ripple gets thinner and thinner until you don't see it. It's the same way with signals. It's the same way with anything, bro. That's the way things work, bro. Perfectly reasonable. So if we started a ripple on one side of a lake and it fizzled out, would we be able to see it reflect back to us? It depends on how big the lake was, bro. So if we start, if we like punch the water and the ripples start to flow and then they diffuse out and we don't see them anymore, could we ever measure them when they hit the other side and come back or are they so small that we wouldn't be able to see them at that point? I don't know. That's a really good question. I doubt you know they answered that either, though. Well, if they've diffused out and we can't see them, then we can't see them. So we wouldn't be able to see the even smaller ones that would continue to get smaller if they went farther back and then continue to get smaller as they bounced towards us again. So if we can't see them at 10 feet, we definitely can't see them at 20 feet, right?  Where they say, so if you're sending a signal to the moon, that means you've gone through your whatever radio waves you said you've, because you said you've done the experiment and you've sent things up to the moon and it's bounced back. So what happened when it went through the Van Allen belt? Did it just lose its signal for a little while? But then it regained its signal and just kept going as strong and as fast as when you first sent it?  Does the dust stop the wave?  Well, so again, space has been- I mean the whole Van Allen belt thing is ridiculous, bro. So the Van Allen belts- What about that is ridiculous? They say that they lose, and even NASA with all their high fangled technology they lose signal when they go through the Van Allen belts. But yet then they regain full signal strength, right? So does your thing lose its signal for a little while and then it just pops back up and regains its signal strength again? I don't have any idea what you're asking here. So how does this relate to my question? So if we create a wave in water and it goes 10 feet and we can't see it then obviously we won't be able to see it when it goes farther, right? It's not going to magically get stronger, right? Yeah, it's not going to magically get stronger. So if we send a signal to the moon and we hear it back, that means it obviously has to be powerful enough to hit something and come back, right? If it diffuses- So did it go through the Van- When you send a signal to the moon does it go through the Van Allen belts? Sure. It does. So you lose that signal for a little while, right? No. Do you only lose it on the way up? Do you don't lose it on the way back down? We only get the signal when it comes back down. It's not like we have the signal the entire time. We only get the signal when it hits the thing and then comes back to us. So you lose the signal when it's going up through the Van Allen belts and then you lose the signal when it comes back down through the Van Allen belts but then you regain the signal again, right? Give you a chance to respond, Tom. I do want to also make sure that we've gone deep on this particular topic and so once we have a chance after in a moment maybe from Jackie or from Sybil would love in case you have anything to throw in to the discussion. Happy to hear from you but, Tom, like I said, it didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead. Yeah, so to lose a signal means that you have a signal already coming to you and then it stops. When we send radio signals to the moon we don't have anything back for two and a half seconds. So we've lost the signal as soon as we've shot it off until it comes back to us. So we don't lose the signal at some point then regain it. No, it's consistent stream, just constant signal. It's never lost. So NASA says they've lost signal for like up to three minutes though. All right, sorry. Or pardon me, I was on mute but we can come back to this but do want to just see Sybil as well as Jackie in case you had anything you wanted to throw in to the discussion. I know it's been moving fast so I just wanted to be sure you had a chance to if you'd like to. I'm good, sure right now. You got it. Sybil may be in the other room but I know that she's on double duty right now but we'll go back to Tom in flatter day and just know that the door is open for you Jackie and Sybil at any moment if you want to jump in. So the van now can only block certain radio frequencies. It can block certain kinds of signals. We don't use high and ultra wave signals in that way. So like when a spaceship loses a signal when it goes to the van Allen belt that's completely different from a radio signal being sent from earth and bounced off the moon. There's no there's not a parallel unless you can explain how exactly you think that would be relevant. I don't get it. How would be will be more than relevant. I mean so if NASA's losing a signal going through the van Allen belts for a different signal to okay then why wouldn't NASA just use the signal you used if you didn't have any problem bouncing it from the moon and back. NASA would be like I mean these these are astronauts. We pay 51 million dollars a year for these astronauts. We don't want these astronauts especially Don Pettit man. I love that dude. I love Don Pettit. We don't want anything to happen to Don Pettit. Or any of our beloved astronauts from SpaceX or Neshaw. You know when they're going through that van Allen belt and there's a loss of communication anything could happen to them. Remember you asked earlier to create more powerful radio signals requires more energy more car batteries have your weight to send to space. You don't need a super powerful one to go to space for just anything. So again separate things here so you would need to explain why that would be relevant. Like you're saying I did an elevator.  That doesn't matter. So the van Allen does does it block all radio signals. Do you think the van Allen blocks all radio signals. I don't see I don't even believe in the van Allen belt bro. But I'm playing devil's advocate right here. Block light.  Ellen belts block light. I don't know bro. I don't even believe in the van Allen belt. But I'm just you know I mean I'm just going off of what Nasha has said. So what they put in the movies and in the news. So assume the Flat Earthers are the globe globers are right for a second. If there's a van Allen belt but we can see all the stars. They're all in the exact same places and they're outside of the van Allen belt. And they haven't moved a thousand years. Block the site from the stars. What why can we still see those. Because the stars are set in the firmament bro. They they're set in their fixed position. Just read the first chapter genesis. It'll explain everything to you. It's pretty simple actually. All comes razor. The simplest solution is usually the right one. So if you believe in black holes and all this other mumbo jumbo stuff that nobody can explain. Then that's fine. But if I can reach one audience member out there hopefully the scales fall off their eyes and they see through the Luciferian deception from Nasha. Then my job. So you you can't actually explain why there's a problem there. So if the van belt exists. We can see stars perfectly fine. They're not like diffused or missing. We don't lose a signal of the stars. We can see them pretty clearly. So obviously the van Allen doesn't stop light from the stars. So why would it matter in other cases obviously doesn't block everything. So we can send some things and it doesn't block them. Where's the problem here. So by your own admission. You just debunked them. You just said they don't block the light from the stars. But you're also saying light is a radiant light is like a signal right. So that just just proves you just just proved the van Allen belt. So thank you to jump who is claiming the van Allen belt could block lights and all signals. Who says this. No no you said you said these signals are just light right. But yet the van Allen belt does not block the light of the stars. So does that van Allen belt block now Nasha's signal when they're re entering the atmosphere or when fake X sends up a dragon heavy Falcon collider whatever you want to call it up into outer space. They lose a signal for a little while when they go through the fan Fallon belts. Well so you realize even with your own admission said you can see the stars and light through them. So you realize there are these things called frequencies and there's different different frequencies for light like some things you can see like you can see the standard colors. But you can't see infrared. You can't see ultraviolet. Those are different wavelengths right. You understand what those are. Yeah and I understand also earlier in your speech you said that these signals are just light.  But I mean that's what globes do. No those are all lights. So so standard light is light infrared is light ultraviolet is like though they're all light. They're all electromagnetic radiation. They're all like it means curved right. What level means curved. What what you said they're all light. And I'm saying all lights. They're all light light standard light is light ultra violet is light infrared is light. You can't see infrared or ultraviolet can you. You're asked I don't know can you. Not with my bare eyes I cannot. Okay. But we can see it if we like look at it through an ultraviolet lens. Okay. If we if we look at it through an infrared lens so so there's something different. Those lenses can see certain wavelengths. Our eyes cannot see certain wavelengths. So those lenses catch things that our eyes don't catch. Right. And you're comparing the lenses to the van Allen belts. Yes. So so there's the van Allen belt can catch certain frequencies but not all frequencies. That's why we can pick and start van Allen belts is like gravity. It picks and chooses what it wants to hold down or what it wants to catch right. No no it's more like a fence. The fence has holes and the holes have a specific size. Well your story kind of has holes in it.  I must have missed it. You're back paddling because you said these signals are just light. But the van Allen belt can catch these signals but it lets light through. You know the problem with your story. See the problem with the live bro is you just have to keep adding to and adding to and it keeps snowballing but the truth is like a line. So no no no maintaining. You thinking that all light is the same is a mistake that you've made. I never said all light is the same. I never said all light is the same. I'm just repeating what you said bro you said the signals are just light. Yes they're electromagnetic radiation. Not all van Allen belts catches the signals but not light. You see what I'm saying? Can you see all light? No. Does that mean that light isn't light? No. Okay so now you're adding to and earlier you said signals are light. Yes. You didn't specify what type of light you just threw it out there thinking maybe I wouldn't catch it or something. Catch catch what it is. I'm listening to everything you're saying dude. Clearly not. So yes it's a type of light. Not all lights acts the same. There's different wavelengths they interact differently which is why you can't see ultraviolet light. So reference in the van ellable is defeated. No that does not have anything to do with what I said. Yes we can bounce radio waves off of the moon. It takes two and a half seconds. How far away is the moon? So you say okay so back to the moon thing bro. The moon's 240,000 miles away right? Yes. When it rises and when it sets it's sometimes four times bigger. How do you explain that? Your eyes don't change the size. The radio waves measure the exact same time. So what we're seeing is a mirage then right? Yes your eyes aren't perfect. Congratulations. Wow so we're too small to see the curvature of the earth. We don't we can't understand you know our eyes are playing tricks on us. Don't trust our senses. They've been telling us that since we started elementary school. Don't trust our God given senses right? That's why people are so messed up. Their God given senses are telling them one thing and this indoctrination camps telling them another thing bro. People are torn. What does this have to do with anything I said? So yes our our senses do with everything you said bro and a lot more. Think about it. Yeah I still have no idea why that how's anything to do with what I said. So yes our senses don't work. They're very bad. We have illusions and delusions and fallacies and biases that have proven to be existing. I trust my senses 100% over anything Nishal or any Luciferian agency has ever said or anything you say bro. God gave me these senses for a reason bro. Can I have been here? Absolutely. I'd love to hear from you. I just had a quick question because there's a couple of things you were you were just talking about senses and that made me wonder. So do telescopes work? Depends if you have a working telescope I suppose. I suppose so. So when we see out into you know I would call it space but if we're looking out into space with a telescope before using a telescope what are we seeing out there? Well I mean that's just like saying you know where are we going to go if we win the Super Bowl. So you mean what do you see or what do I see? If you have a telescope what do you see? Depends on where I'm pointing the telescope I suppose and it depends on if it was night or day. It depends on the average fraction it depends there's so many different factors. Obviously but in general I mean if you're if you've got a high powered enough telescope you can see pretty far you know a decent enough telescope you can actually see Saturn. Why is everything else out there that we see spherical? So if I were to if I were to take this right because this is kind of what you're looking at when you see certain things in space right or this. Is that spherical? Is this spherical? I mean a lot of people say is there earth round or flat let's not muddy the water is the earth is very much round and very much flat. The earth is not a sphere. What you're looking at out out in outer space you're looking at orbs. You can see the same thing if you look at a pool a swimming pool at night that has lights on the bottom of the pool the way they move you're looking at water waves all you're looking all the they say the stars are blinking and all this of all it is is the refraction of water you're looking at lights that are fixed in the firmament that this the North Star Polaris has never moved that's how sailors have navigated for thousands of years they say we're spinning and zipping throughout our space from a big bang we would see a different star constellation in a different pattern every single night imagine if you were on a roller coaster imagine if you put a GoPro glued it to a basketball the roller coaster is going you're spinning the basketball on your finger with the GoPro going you're not going to see the same hot dog vendor with the same people waiting in line you're going to see something completely different the whole ride it's the same without our space but they say oh it's on such a big scale we can't understand it our little puny human brains can't see it the curve of the earth is too big to see it's ridiculous they say that you can see ships going over the horizon Bill and I they say from the red bull jump the earth is too big to see the curve shield across Tyson think about it maybe we've been lied to I'm just saying though do you think the moon is flat this yeah I think everything you look at in outer space which I call the firmament is I don't even know if it's an actual disc or if it's just light like when you look if I were to point a flashlight right at you like this right would you call that a disc would you call that a sphere or I would just call it an orb of light I saw one dude's YouTube channel he took a bottle of water right just a bottle of water without that much water and he pointed a flashlight down into it and the pattern it made of light on the sidewalk looked just like a star and when I look at a swimming pool the light from a swimming pool it looks just like a star if you've ever zoomed in on a star it looks like you're just a bunch of energy like this trying to jump out of itself you know there's nothing even with the best telescopes you even with even with the Vatican's Lucifer telescope they're just looking at orbs of light bro you know all this all whenever you watch a NASA program or anything what are these orbs of light computer graphic imaging what are these orbs of light caused by what causes these orbs of light what are the little dots you see in the sky I take you back to the book of Genesis chapter one and it explains it therefore all the orbs of light in the sky the stars the planets the moon and the sun are for times dates and seasons for us they're a map in the sky that God made for us but what are they it's a giant astrolabe bro and it doesn't change what are they made of you're just asking you're you're trying to you tell me where they made it they're made of hydrogen oxygen nitrogen helium all the different elements and you know we're made of that how you've gone you've tested that you've gone there you mean you know that yep we can just hear that from other people no we can measure the light reflecting off of them and the light that reflects off them reflects in a very specific way you have proof of doing that you have proof of doing that scientific papers yes we do no i'm saying you do you have proof of that yes they're called scientific papers I don't have to do it myself it's still proof doesn't matter if I did it or you did it or the science did it but wouldn't it be better wouldn't it be better wouldn't it be better to actually know than to just believe because that's that would just be a belief if you're just hearing it from somebody else and you don't actually do the experiment yourself wouldn't you want to know I mean because I can say I can go to the the earth is flat the earth is round whatever all day long but you really don't know we really don't know yeah I can go and do the experiments myself none of us really know I can do the experiments myself too I can go to the scientific places and repeat the experiments then why haven't you because I don't need to like there's sufficient evidence that I can do like I can do wouldn't you want to know why would I do that I can verify the earth is round in lots of ways that I can just do from my basement I already told you you might even bring it up what I mean because you asked and why you didn't bring it up you asked but but but you haven't done it yourself so I mean it's kind of like I don't think it could be proven even if I don't do them myself I mean to be fair there's lots of things we use all the time that we haven't actually designed experimented on or created ourselves Sybil can I ask you a question go for it so during your intro you said why you can see further when you're further up which actually proves flat earth so if we were on a sphere you'd have the further up you went the more you'd have to adjust and look down but horizon always rises to eye level no matter how far up you go look at the Felix Baumgartner red bull jump and the thing with the fish eye lenses when the horizon is above the middle of the screen it's convexed and when it's below the middle of the screen it concaves but when the rising gets to the middle of the screen it adjusts and it corrects itself and so you can see the horizon's level if you know anything about fish eye lenses I don't know if you do or not but by your own admission you said why you can see further when you're further up which kind of just proves our point I'm just so though the way that I understand this and by my own admission I'm not an expert but the way that I understand this is that if everything were flat and light diminishes at a certain point I should still be able to only see a certain distance no matter what my elevation is but the fact that I can see further when I'm higher up is because of curvature no I said that back to the reason I can't see further the reason I can't see further when I'm until I'm higher up is because of curvature so you're saying when you're higher up you can see over the curve more well in my mind the way that it works is if I had you know an ant on a basketball he's only going to see so far because of the curvature of the basketball if I put him up on a pencil edge standing straight up on the basketball he'd be able to see a lot further also if you had an ant on a basketball and you spun it wouldn't he fall off actually no I doubt it the ants are pretty sticky yeah well what about if you had a person on a giant basketball and you spun the basketball wouldn't that person fall off fortunately for me I believe in gravity so so far I've been able to stick firmly to the to the earth here but that's just a theory it's what if you took a thousand pound piece of metal and you took a hundred pound magnet and you held that metal that thousand pound piece of metal with a hundred pound magnet up indefinitely would gravity be like I'm just taking a couple days off or a couple of years off you know I'll let you guys know when I'm back in the shop and then that metal will fall because of gravity is gravity picking shoes I'm just saying though no but we have figured out the force you know we we can measure gravity's effect on certain things in which case we can also figure out ways to overcome that effect what would you measure gravity like a flat level or something with a bubble in the middle or a ruler a flat ruler to measure gravity no no what about a helium balloon to measure gravity no no no how come a helium balloon can rise up and it's not affected by gravity but you're just in the wrong person here I am not the scientist I've already established that I don't have all the math so it is affected by gravity it's just about sense so it's like if you put a bubble yeah so it could be density and buoyancy why does it have to be gravity who's to say we would float off of the what who's to say we would float off why do why does there have to be a force who's to say it couldn't be flat and and that we would just be there I mean I would like why why does it need to be a force holding it down we're less dense than water but we're still pulled down in water actually no when we jump in water we bob right up to the surface no most of you are going to be underwater if you're in water for some reason so what about how come fish aren't pulled down to the surface then they are when they're in water they are they can swim though so gravity pulls everything fish and us like if sharks die they sink when yeah when sharks die they sink but when they're so gravity comes into effects when something is dead right but if something's alive gravity doesn't really have an effect on it then if you're swimming up against gravity then obviously you won't be pulled down swimming in all directions bro they don't just swim up right but the the way sharks stay up is that they they swim they can just be sitting there and not go down nope nope if they die they or they just stop they sink and die so they can't stop how do they they just sit they sleep so they just are sitting there in the water they don't sink to the ground they don't sink nope it's not quite how it works no they don't stop swimming when they sleep they don't stop swimming well i'm sure there's an animal that does some animals are buoyant in water that's perfectly fine too because some animals are less dense than water i don't i don't know why this is a hard issue or why so you said it though you said buoyant which is buoyancy which is a real thing yes gravity's not real okay so i'm sorry i keep wanting to call you mctoon key jump how can how can a hundred pound magnet hold up a thousand pound piece of metal and definitely where's gravity i have no idea is it taking the day off you said a hundred pound magnets so you could have a magnet with a hundred pounds and it can hold up a thousand pound piece of metal forever of electromagnetism like electromagnetism not gravity gravity so that over that overrules gravity then right yes if this was a court of law the gravity would be overruled the strong and weak nuclear force are 40 times 40 40 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity yes gravity so that kills gravity no like if i if i hold up my hand like my hand is made of cells right do you believe in cells bro i don't believe in anything i can't see taste touch feeler here we're made of little tiny pieces of some kind right that's what we're told bro but i mean you you don't know that for sure you're just repeating and regurgitating what you've been told like you could cut your finger off and it would be separate from you right yeah you'd still exist so there's parts you have parts yeah but gravity doesn't pull your finger apart like you'd have to actually cut it right like like holding your finger up isn't not going to fall off from gravity no so something is holding your finger there that is stronger than gravity is because your fingers attached and gravity isn't pulling it apart right so you're saying like my hand is my hand is holding up my finger like a magnet yes that is exactly what i'm saying god do the mental gymnastics that you guys try to put us through is hilarious bro it really is and you sound really smart to stupid people so yeah there's these things called atoms in your hand they are held together by the weak and strong electromagnetic force which is analogous to the electromagnetic force used in a magnet so there are forces where's gravity though still there it's just not as strong so so a magnet a 100 pound magnet holding up a thousand pound objects is held together in the same way your finger is held together gravity isn't strong enough to pull your finger apart just like it's not strong enough to pull the thousand pound weight away from the magnet because there's another force there but it's strong enough to hold everything on there on the look no we've sent stuff to space so it's not and there are you having sent anything to space bro but what i mean but it's holding all the it's holding all the water it's holding the water's heavy it's holding all the water it's holding all that stuff yep but then birds can fly and i mean it how does it because electromagnetism is stronger than gravity so if you flap your wings the electromagnetic connection is stronger than the gravity connection and so it can interact with the other stuff in the atmosphere to move so why is it kid are we talking about this this almighty gravity why don't we talk about a force more powerful called magnetism well typically in high school you're taught about all four fundamental forces i don't know which high school you went to beginning of school um the luciferian indoctrination center did you know that uh rocket feller said he wanted a he wanted um he didn't want um thinkers he wanted workers and that's what our school system was set up to be i want a pony so why do i carry things because that's what all of our school systems were made of all of our education all of our education we're not meant for meant to be workers school was made long with all of our education based off school has existed for tens of thousands of years i know that but that doesn't what does it have to do with school today um because it's not founded by the rocker fellers like i didn't say i didn't say it was founded by them but i'm just saying that that's they never mind never mind i i i i got it i got it did you change hats i noticed crap i was on mute but i had just mentioned folks while we were on mute our guests are linked in the description and that includes if you're listening via modern day debate you can also find our guest links in the podcast episode for this debate and it does appear tom you're right that fighter a saint appears to have changed his hat so i get back to you guys just repping yes maybe i had a quick question go ahead symbol so you were pointing out with your marker there the right the circular edge that we would see if we were looking into space that would look you know like a sphere to us or we would assume that it was a sphere i want to know why everything we see in space would be oriented vertically that way if our earth would be oriented horizontally are you assuming a flattened level disc or are you assuming a sphere when you ask that question i'm assuming if all the objects were flat level discs yeah and then our earth would be oriented horizontally with the people on the top but like a disc right right like a penny flat on the ground yeah but if i'm looking out into space the penny would have to be standing up for if i'm looking at Saturn or Jupiter or the moon or the sun why would everything that i use my telescope to see out in space be oriented like a penny standing up instead of like one laying on the ground so you know what a colander is something that you rinse your vegetables off in oh yeah imagine if you're a little person a little tiny grasshopper of a person you have a giant colander over you right okay all the little holes in the colander are at different angles from each other but they would all appear as orbs to you as that little thing that's kind of similar to what we i mean i'm just trying to explain it to in layman's terms although a lot of flat earth rules or flat earthers will say um why are you looking at the sky to determine the shape of the floor i've come to the conclusion that a casino is the only place where they look at the sky to determine what happens on the floor but i mean you make a a decent argument so answer me this why when they recreate outer space and they show you the star constellations um in an observatory it's always shaped like a dome you cannot recreate outer space unless you're inside of a dome so you might want to think about that well they're not actually there's lots of observatories that have flat ceilings really show me give me one example of one bro uh they have them in colleges all the time like have you seen a star map they're usually flat okay so can you give me an example of where they'd have that without a dome why do all observatories are dome shape though when they recreate the stars because we live on a globe so they want to try and replicate it as most most accurately as possible but if you've ever looked at a star map like they're all flat well that doesn't make any sense what you just said so we're we're we're inside of a we're inside of a dome uh in a college right a college campus and they have a with it they have a dome over us and they're projecting the stars we're on a flat floor but you say they do that because we live on a sphere and so they need a spherical thing over us to project the stars because we live on a sphere that doesn't make any sense uh yeah so if we look at the stars over there we look at the stars over there they're coming at us from angles right they're they're coming at us from angles correct so they're not all coming at us from directly above some come at us from the side it's like if we're it looks standing on the grass during the night and we look to the left there are stars we look to the right there are stars not all of the stars are straight up so yeah it's just like if we're a little person we're standing under a giant colander right you see the dots from all different directions even though the dots some of them aren't quite adjacent with each other they're all at different angles from where we're at under that giant colander it would look like all the dots are spheres pointing at us from all around us all above us so yeah if there's stars over there and there's stars underneath the horizon that we can't see yet the best way to do that is to build a dome because then you'll be able to see the stars over there and the stars over there yeah you just proved my point for me thank you no because we can see the stars that are actually below the horizon too you can see now is this debate over or do you still want to go well i can see the silliness of your argument supersedes mine by a significant margin you've already proved me right twice with the van allen bell light thing and now this but you're all right so yes you don't know it is what it is bro either you're like i said either your page chill or the skills haven't fallen off your eyes i'm leaning towards the form or not the ladder i wish i was paid that would be nice um but i mean you are not understanding lights hey hey t jump t jump t jump you you know you're getting that check from the shop bro or one of them luciferian agencies you know i mean i'd like one for sure i see i see through the i see through the the muddy waters bro hey hey maybe you guys could just pay me more maybe that'll work sometimes you gotta you gotta climb up to the to the center or the top of the pyramid to see what goes on at the bottom you got all the goyim at the bottom who don't really see or understand everything you got everybody walking around with oxygen inhibitors on their mouth and grounding inhibitors on their feet you know i mean getting that madurka shoes i'm just saying though shoes those grounding grounding yeah grounding inhibitors bro that's what i call them that's hilarious with that it is what it is bro i just call it like i see it bro maybe an opportunity to jump into the q and a we hope jackie is okay jackie if you're out there we we hope to have you back but i if something came up we understand and we are going to jump into the q and a and do want to remind you folks one that our guests are linked in the description we do appreciate them and also folks yeah we are very excited we are going to jump into these and we're going to try to move as fast as possible and so t-jumps got his timer ready this first one coming in from we do appreciate your question from tim priors says aw math flat earthers do you get it gosh it i guess that's to me right yes yeah i get what 1491 is bro okay this is your chance to tell us what 1491 is so when i was little i was indoctrinated with that in 1492 korelumbia christopher columbus cc 33 sailed the ocean blue and all these dumb people i didn't use our word james all these dumb people thought the earth was flat in cc christopher columbus columbine district of columbia proved that the earth was a spherical spinning ball in 1492 so i'm just bringing it back before the year of indoctrination before the year of the discovery of the new world which is the novice orders to quorum new world order i'm taking it back to the good old days bro good old 1491 before the indians were raped pillaged and murdered i'm just saying no thank you very much sigma any for your question says t-jump on this topic on this channel localized entirely within my computer you have i think a fan out there and rodent last no last name says why have no international airline or international cruise cruise ship cruise come out against the globe flatter day saint and jackie their jobs require maps based on the globe hey chills that's how that's why 51 million dollars a day check the check every day check nasa's annual budget divided by 365 comes roughly about 51 million dollars a day i mean for 51 million dollars a day i would lie to everybody i know until the earth is a sphere and we're too small to see the curvature there's nothing to see here just keep giving me my checks i mean even for a fraction of that money i'd even lie to my own parents until the earth is a sphere so for that amount of money people are dying bro people are getting marked every day for that amount of money to keep it quiet a lot of people have died for what i believe in and if something happens to me go to hashtag martyr flatter day saint i'm just saying though gotcha and sigma any says globers can't deal with the difiumorphic geometry of euclidean embedded remanian manifold subsets which prove the flat earth back me up flat fam i'm not quite sure what she said but if she's a flat earth and she's knocking what uh t-jump stands for then you know i mean you get two thumbs up for me you got it in tim prior we got that one uh let's see oh maybe my favorite one of the night uh flatter day saint is seriously dominating slash spanking t-jump okay dumb space okay next up come on down i'm just easy we love to have no college degree and i dropped out of high school imagine that i don't want like folks who want to remind you we love the guests we want to ask you to be as friendly as possible to them if you're gonna say anybody is getting spanked by flatter day say it's me okay is the next one michael spank since flat tapped they're getting flat all right it's flat tapped signal and he says don't forget three sons balance the firmament not two thank you for that previous debate we had on whether or not there are two sons chris says pancakers just because you don't understand something doesn't make that something untrue take a basic algebra based conceptual physics class why are they calling you pancakers flat earth pancake oh yes okay makes sense well flatter day your hands respond i'm just a dumb flatter they're over here sipping on this level water yeah i mean just saying though gotcha and thank you very much for your question this one coming in from them j c ad says flat earthers obviously the point of your movement is to scrutinize the government we get it they're sketchy why waste your efforts like this though is that true is it fair to say that the flat earth movement is primarily to criticize the government and you guys are maybe taking a little too far by you know getting into the flat earth stuff uh the sulman brother me sulman brother's building seven uh i don't know and next up barn and vangie says flatter day saint uh we've had enough of can we hear from jackie may jackie may be back but uh we don't know for sure we hope but actual socialist trash of my favorite username says love for the channel get me on sometime bro thank you we would uh shoot me an email at modern day debate a gmail that reminds me folks if you have not heard we are pumped as next week the bigfoot debate is happening we have two bigfoot advocates like they're not you know big on it but they're like hey yeah we think there's good evidence for a bigfoot and we are looking for two people who are skeptics regarding the existence of bigfoot so if you happen to be a person who's like i highly doubt your evidence is good let us know that's going to be this tuesday if you would be interested i'm at modern day debate at gmail.com if you'd like to be in that debate so you let me know during chat too i'm keeping an eye on it the cry daddy zero two nine says part one i like how flatter day said the easiest explanation is the correct one you've never been a project manager have you it's easier to accept the known science by experts in these fields than to pretend there is a global conspiracy including people like me who have traveled the globe you've traveled in an airplane right playing flat on the horizon airplanes don't continually dip their nose down i'm just saying though you know i mean it's a simple explanation or it's a really complicated one we're hurtling through space with black holes and quasars and all kinds of newtonian physics or are we not newtonian no will steward says fds where in the scripture does it say the earth is flat please don't use the face argument as a face doesn't denote flat as a circle has infinite faces surface denotes the outermost face well i mean you could google it there's over 200 scriptures the book of genesis chapter one we don't even need to go any further everything was all the fur all the stars set in the firmament in the beginning the spirit of god or yaw shots out to witsit hovered over the sur face of the water think about this 12 in a clock right 12 months in a year 12 zodiac signs and 12 disc cycles i'm just saying though thank you and i just like appreciate your spirited response but next up comes in jake dragellis thank you for your question let me know if i pronounce your name right says does flatterday saint consider t jump a quote unquote bro though i didn't quite catch whether or not that's the case a bro yes i think they're referring to the fact that you called tom jump a bro approximately 500 times but i consider him a bridge and then i think bro in german or swedish or spanish or whatever it's bridge shots out to mctoon baby shots out to mctoon level means curves i'm just saying though abdula ibn iblis thank you for your question says you weren't given the revelations yourself you just got that book from other people i think that's for you flatter day but you discovered all of the nasha's secrets on your own right nobody gave that to you come on you know it's real because it looks so fake i'm just saying though and this next one comes in from the crawdaddy zero two nine says jackie to those glasses on t jump space work did you test them to see if they work also sorry but things of mass attract we might see jack do you know what happened to jackie flatterday saint because you guys are in the same vicinity is she is jackie okay yeah i think the dogs are acting up again gotcha i'm i'm sure she's next door so you know i mean i'm a lot more beautiful to look at than she is though so i'm just saying though you have a tremendous hairline i'll give you that i'm surprised you wear all these hats when you have such a great hairline but hey thank you thank you you're welcome i appreciate that and i'm just trying i'm just trying to represent flatter day saints and i'm representing flatter day debates bro you got it and let's see actual socialist trash my favorite name of all says flatter day i want a piece of you i want a debate well i'm i mean okay so fight the facts first mctooney i i went with mctooney town because he doesn't cuss too much uh if i ever cuss you guys can call me on it i'm trying not to represent lucifer in that way shape or form but fight the fact fight the facts first a couple other um shows who get checks from the government have asked me to go on their platform i don't like the way they edit people and i don't like the way they mock people i'll never rage quit though you guys can count on that i'll never rage quit on anybody but on mctoone's channel he rage clipped me so um i will debate anybody on james's platform i got much love and respect for james unfortunately he does a lot of other juicy debates besides little little flatter things but if we could go on a neutral platform where you guys aren't trying to um always like take shots at me in a roundabout ways instead of trying to low-key dismean you get the picture you got it i will let him know that and s ip says thanks to modern day debate for cataloging our culture's mind rot hey come on guys take it easy on tom he's doing his best they say wow ever wonder what talking to a caveman would be like well these even speak english again leave tom alone he's our friend now it ends up fair on salas says tjumps chair hasn't said a single word and destroyed fds and jackie checked out flat earth i'm impressed i think they're being sarcastic in that last point they what do you think fds um they keep calling me fes it's fds oh that's what i'm just saying though uh i i meant to say fds if i said okay yeah i'll just you know what i mean i'm just correcting it what do i think i mean i would give up my life for this flat earth business that i'm doing so if if i really like i said if i reach one of these little kids with scales on their eyes out there and um youtube land or face page or snapchatch land or whatever you call it then my job here is done say it ain't so joe i'm just saying though you got it and this one coming in from will steward responds again he's not letting you he's coming after you he says fds a sphere has a surface does a ball have no surface you still didn't list a single verse that says that the earth is flat you can google it there's 200 there's 200 bible verses that prove flat earth so google it if you want to people like this it doesn't matter what i say they're always going to come around and try to diss me in a roundabout way it's like you're not really asking because you want it you're really seriously intrigued to know if there's really flat or not you're just trying to trick me up in my words so better luck next time gosh and larry let's says for fds i have a small four foot telescope with it i can see four orbs of light going around jupiter what are those they um you know there's a lot of a strange things that go on in the sky i have my own theories i believe they're building scaffolding up there and i believe they cover up the moon with all these strange clouds do a lot of weird things these are my theories though so i can't prove any of them anyway that's what i i believe a lot of crazy things you got it people on my channel and you'll see some you'll see some crazy things and you'll hear some crazy things next up larry let's says for fds oh we got that one king ed the fifth says christopher columbus and the world knew the earth was a globe before 1492 are you are just saying 1491 or baby through and through is that a real tattoo that's a real tattoo oh wow yeah it doesn't come off yeah you're really into that all right actual socialist trash says i meant on this channel so they're willing to debate you on modern day debate tim prier says i'm going to pull a flat earther have you been to the dome have you ever touched the dome no then how do you know there is one do you just believe in what flat earthers tell you no i believe in what my senses my god-given senses tell me have you ever been to space you have you ever been you ever touched a convertible tesla roadster you know it's real because it looks so fake i'm just saying though king ed the fifth also says does flatter day even know how airplanes work at all no jet fuel yeah do you know that the word plane means level flat i'm just saying though you know the simplest answer is usually the correct one bro depressive reading between the lines on my part uh just trying to i think what they were trying to get at is regarding the alleged lack of nose dipping that the plane goes through as it flies that you had discussed yeah i think they're saying they're kind of challenging your that's my guess i think they're challenging you on that well if they're saying the lack of nose dipping then they prove my point without even me having to say anything i'm at a loss for words gosh yeah okay well thank you very much at this one coming up from will steward oh wait we got his but he's got another one too joe jc 93013 says flatter day saint what lies behind beyond the ice walls of antarctica i will laugh in advance at your answer lol i don't know why don't you watch an old news clipping of uh admiral birds talking about the land beyond the south pole that's bigger than the united states with all kinds of interesting material i'm just saying though believe it or not do your own research use your own brain the craw daddy strikes again says i was navy actually and have seen the non ice wall but thank you for telling everyone why you are a flat earther oh so you were a seaman cool gotcha next up lee hold on one moment folks the page is reloading on me but do want to remind you folks our guests are linked in the description and also want to remind you that includes if you're listening to the modern day debate podcast jc ad says fds nathan thompson the name that ought not be spoken can't do trig in kilometers because he only works in miles does that go for you too sorry all i heard you say was nathan thompson they said nathan can't do i think they're saying trigonometry in kilometers yeah yeah because i thought he said he couldn't do tricks i was like have you ever seen nathan pass out flyers while he's on his skateboard he does all kinds of tricks okay next up jc ad says nathan can't do trigonometry in kilometers because he only works in miles does that go for you too have you guys ever seen nathan thompson recite in alphabetical order while he's doing the ping pong ball thing his brain's pretty big dude i don't know about trigonometry and all that stuff i like i said i have no formal education i just use my ears to hear and i used to see in the senses that god gave me gotcha and will store it says just one verse flatter day should be easy with 200 plus which is your favorite flat earth bible verse jenesis one verse six what does it say says he said he separated the waters from the waters bro the waters below from the waters above a lot of luciferians got that whole as above so below thing that's where they got it from they like to invert y'all wait scriptures and pervert them i'm here to represent them to the fullest gotcha and all right thank you very much for your question this one coming in from the craw let's see sorry folks i'm a little delayed over here as you can tell elk uh babel on 69 says why are all flat earthers wrong uh they seem to take issue with your interpretation of the globe or planet i should say why are we all wrong right i like how you said right right after i said wrong love the duality love that duality um why are all globers right my gosh you got it why does why does horizon why does horizon not mean horizontal why does level mean curved shots out to mctoon void were prohibited gotcha and mctoon is scheduled to be on in a week by the way folks want to let you know that should be a juicy one as we look forward to it's been a while but s ip says why do the power lines going over lake punch it punch our train dip down below the horizon bottom first but as you approach they rise up are they on hydraulics he says as i approach i've never approached anything like that we didn't win the super bowl we didn't go to the moon i don't know have you tested it yourself i've tested the waters and i've tested the range down in africa so to speak the waters are level no matter what shape or size of container perspective atmosphere conclusion second law thermodynamics yada yada yada next question next up this one is king at the fifth he has words for your response regarding planes he said flatter day is just lying and yeah that's exactly it and planes land nose up the nose angle has nothing to do with altitude a line is a line planes land nose up thanks for proving my point bro they don't dip down i don't even need to answer that he proved my point i think they were they say landed nose up the nose angle has nothing to do with the altitude i thought they were getting at your point of the nose dipping up and down as the plane flies but while i'm reading the question i agree with you i'm it's hard for me to make the connection between the landing itself and whether he proved my point without even me having to say anything so thank you very much line has the word line right line has the word line so it's obviously a line it's flat line and line well according to mctoon level means curved so it depends on what world you live in i live in the world that i can see is clearly flat you guys live in some spherical spaceball world i'm just saying either you're getting a check or the scales haven't fallen off your eyes i think it's a former you claim it's a ladder this one time will tell dude and oh xd says why would a planetarium have a flat roof to display the stars is the night sky flat in your world view two it's a dome it's like upside down calling her bro it's a dome hold on they said it's a dome because there's stars all around us another person who proved my point without me even having to answer they said it's a dome i'm just gonna remain silent because it's a virtue but i think they're saying like why would you expect i think that they interpreted you as implying that a planetarium would have a flat that it ought to have a flat roof uh but they're saying like why would i'm not saying that it ought to have a flat roof i'm saying isn't it funny that they all have dome shape roofs what a coincidence right gotcha and then they say is the night sky flat in your world view two like i said before i believe we live under a dome just like if you were under a giant colander that's my best example because most people's minds are too puny to understand or comprehend it just like they say we're too small to see the giant curves next question thank you elka babel on thank you for your question says if flat earthers trust their senses i challenge any of them to point one to one of the hundreds of millions of micro organisms in their gut hundreds of millions huh and they can see that right or do they just take the news is the news are the scientific luciferian teachers who've been indoctrinated and paid out by the rock filler's word for it gee they may you know they couldn't be a motive for them wanting to think that you live on a spinning ball we got that fighter flight six feet in front of us only tunnel vision mentality i'm just saying though will steward strikes again he is a man with a you could say he's a man on fire he says so how is that or how does that mean flat separation of the atmosphere and the ocean doesn't mean flat in fact as you say we live under a dome our domes flat flatter day saint there is therefore it is obvious that verse never says the earth surface is flat so again i said the only place where you can judge what happens on the floor by looking at the ceiling is in a casino so just saying though call the floor we have a problem on the table oh but i think they're saying like it doesn't logically follow like summarizing i think they're saying it doesn't follow that even if there is like water being separated in terms of like the water of the oceans and the water of the like if there's water in the air if you interpreted it that way like it it still doesn't imply that the earth was like flat right logically it it could be the case that the earth is still a globe and then it just has that kind of water suspension still there's multiple verses saying that the earth is unmovable he placed the earth is his footstool the earth is like a seal with a stamp on it gotcha bro you're not trying you don't really want the answer because lucifer is hard in your heart and their scales over your eyes bro but if you really do want the answer you can just google it just ask y'all into your heart and he'll open it for you you've got to be sincere bro except jcad says fds so are you saying we aren't made of atoms i'll buy you a microscope so you can use your god-given senses to figure that out uh what microscope on this planet can see atoms that you could buy me answer me that bro we take by your own lies i can break you guys apart we can see cells we can see cells with a microscope cells okay but our cells atoms well before in the debate i asked are we made of cells and you said we can't see them so i think that's what he was referencing but he said atoms so i think that's what he's referencing bro words are very important but then again in a world where level means curved i guess black means white and up means down right good means bad well there are electron microscopes too and they can see atoms yep okay so buy me one then next not you but the person who offered to buy me one yeah i'd be delighted if you bought me one and if i can see atoms through the microscope you decide to donate to me i'll be the first to say it i'm just saying though king ed v says ask him what is a radar horizon and that alone proves the globe example navy at or i'm an ex navy atc i use radar and know how it works that questions for me am i assuming right yes so he wants he wants to ask me what a radar horizon is right roughly speaking i can read it let me read it again just to be sure that i give him like the best shake down for his question said ask him what is a radar horizon and that alone proves the globe namely that there is a radar horizon okay so horizon means horizontal horizon's a flat line so just like i said before by your own words you will be convicted i don't need to say anything he proves my point right there by invoking the horizon actually admitting that it's true i don't need to say anything horizon means horizontal well if you go to the images section you'll notice that all the pictures are curved for some reason when they say yeah every time they use that fishtie lens just remember ladies and gentlemen and children of all ages out there in youtube world that even with a fishtie lens the picture corrects when the horizon hits the center there's not like it's not a photograph when they're explaining the concept yeah i'm talking about video bro i'm talking about a moving picture watch the philips boom garden jump watch any nasha space launch they can't always control and manipulate the picture every once while that fishtie lens allows the horizon to go in the middle when it does it flattens out their hand their hand hands the name horizon i'm just saying they're their hand drawn diagrams to explain what the horizon is uh t-jump how much are they paying you bro come on bro everything i've given you already the scale should have been done falling off your eyes not nearly enough this one comes in from king ed the fifth again says okay let me clarify the altitude of the plane directly relates to the speed of the plane not the angle of the nose okay i'm sorry that i actually attempted to summarize it and i did that wrong so king ed the fifth says they're talking about the altitude of the plane and how it directly relates to the speed of the plane so when they're talking about altitude would they mean above sea level and then they said the word plane which further proves my point they're flying above a plane flat surface like i said by their own words they will be convicted stop trying to trip me up you guys are convicting yourself with your own words because the english language isn't really designed to fit the globe 100 percent since the globe's a lie they always have to add more and more lies it's like a snowball effect but the truth is like a lion it doesn't need maintaining because you can't tame a lion's main next question next up will steward comes after you again as i had said he's a man on fire he says genesis one six and they're quoting it here they say and god said let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters and let it separate the waters from the waters and then they said flatter day please help find the word flat in that passage you know even the devil tried to quote the bible to yashua it ain't gonna happen here bro like i said either the scales haven't fallen off your eyes yet or your page shield trying to trip me up i think it's the latter i'm just gonna pray to yah that he opens up your heart bro you get a little humility and you get some understanding before your soul goes down to the lake of burning fire where they'll be weeping gnashing a teeth and the worm never dies next question he has another he just fired in another response he says will steward he says can i not use a ball as a footstool namely in parentheses a place to rest my feet you do know that satan adds things to scripture in order in order to twist god's word right genesis for example temptation of jesus are you sure you are not deceived well if you're using a ball as a footstool your boyfriend might have a cramp with your foot in between his legs i'm just saying though next question let's see to press you on this though just to be sure you're attempting to address they uh basically it looks like they're kind of giving the same challenge back to you namely on whether or not your twisting scripture especially if people are able to use a ball as a footstool yeah and a ball is like a seal that stamped unmovable right tim prier says no i haven't been to space but i have a good telescope and you can track that roadster and see it like i have just like with the iss oh my wow you've seen the roadster huh with it and it's playing it's playing rocket man and it's got a little hot wheels toy resting on the dash elon says it is not even space tested it's just a regular roadster he also said you know it's real because it looks so fake it was fake we'd have much better cgi thus indicating that it is fake they sell half truce they put truce in there if it was fake we'd have much better cgi i'm just saying though words are important you guys don't seem to understand that or you're trying to trip me up with your words you're trying to mix things up not going to happen Saturday Saints baby come on one remind you folks out there that we want to be friendly or at least not insult the guests and that goes for both sides no matter what issue it is we always want to ask that you would attack the arguments instead of the person and then bubble gum thanks for your question this one coming in as well from majelin catching up said flatter day is it pot is it possible to determine it's about to rain by looking at the sky or do you wait till your feet get wet before employing an umbrella funny you asked that since uh there's they've stopped all rainfall in california um it's been a long time since it's rain here not to get off the subject or anything um that's a good question uh do the people in australia also look to the sky upside down and their feet get wet you know they're standing upside down um do i employ an umbrella i don't carry umbrella because it doesn't rain in southern california the weather modification patents you can look them up there's hundreds of them they stopped the rainfall so it doesn't it doesn't rain in southern california or anywhere in california really unless it's fake morgelen rain i'm just saying though i think that as an analogy because it's probably sunny in california so i'll paraphrase their objection it's it's kimmy it's kimmy in california i'll paraphrase their objection into a different one like i think they're saying like let's say do you wait until you start to feel the sun on your skin or do you maybe throw some sunblock in your backpack or your pocket before you even step outside to feel the sun and i don't i don't use any i don't use any synthetics on my skin i don't use deodorant sunblock whatsoever i don't even wear shoes i don't wear an oxygen inhibitor grounding inhibitors i don't believe in any of that i rarely even wear sunglasses unless the kims are really bad in front of the sun and i believe it's unnatural i'm trying to get as close to the way my creator made it as possible going way back to this era you know that's just how i call me old fashion gotcha i think they're trying to object to your what i think even compared to tom would be maybe called radical empiricism namely that you won't even believe in adams unless you saw them so is there anything i'll just kind of ask is there i believe in adam and eve is there really too is deceived in the garden is there really not anything that you would say you don't actually act on like the knowledge of or kind of the idea of without first empirically observing it i used to i used to be like one of the mini sheeple and i believed in all kinds of stuff like the thomas fire and sandy hook and all you know call him behind all right we're not gonna go the scale spell off my eyes why do you believe the stuff in the bible even though you haven't seen it it speaks truth it rings truth to my heart it ain't nothing can nothing can be disproven i took the bible as an instruction booklet though i don't like the people who are on stage yelling fire and brimstone this and i don't consider myself a christian that's like if your friend got shot would you consider yourself a bullet son or a gun son no to me wearing a cross is disrespectful i'm not in all that i consider myself a born again flat earther washed in the blood of y'all my creator i stand for him and everything i do john three twelve if you do not understand early things how can you understand heavenly things i'm just saying though i just want to just to get us back on track bubble gum says satan was an angel of god a tester not a devil what do you want me to say that you uh i'm not exactly sure what they mean but this next one might he appears in the angel of light mcellen says now you've got the christians all coming after this mcellen says acts 12 through 34 the lord thy god created the earth as if it was an apple and the seed line its center rejoice in his axe i think they're saying that if anything this looks like a verse that implies that the planet is not flat because it says that god created the earth as if it was an apple and the seed line its center okay so people that call themselves christians need to really just do some research um like i said i live with the pastor of a church for almost a year i know the bible really well uh their logo is a globe it's really sad because i i believe that these these luciferians who who indoctrinate these people with these think camps they want people to believe in the bible and believe they're saved by christ through the blood and then believe we live on a spinning cartoon ball i mean that's it it's doubled down i mean these people there's nothing else to see here you're already saved you're good i've i've gone up to people who say they're christians and all kinds of stuff peep my channel i run up on ladder day saints nobody wants to everybody is so content that we live on this cartoon ball it's like there's nothing to see here condemnation without proper investigation that's a story of my life my dad won't even talk to you anymore you know he's a nasa fanboy welcome to my life it's all right though i live in breathe blood earth baby and will stewart says coming after you he's like a dog with a bone he says you're adding flat to scripture to fit your narrative are you not unless scripture says it you are twisting it true bro i'm just adding what my god-given sense is in what my eyes see to fit reality fake jc ad says fds can you provide a working model for the flat earth that explains how the sun moves equations would be nice um go to the google play store download the flat earth app it's a pretty good way to do it go to globe busters they got a lot of cool diagrams and stuff shots out to jaren i thought i think they're asking to be fair though i think they're trying to ask like do you have one on hand that you could show or explain i don't have one on hand that i can show or explain you guys can like i just i gave you a couple examples of things you can do though you know i could pull out a globe though and show you how that doesn't work or flip the bottom of the globe and it says for decoration purposes only i'm just saying the next question being the next one tim priers says definition of level entry three of three one a namely the definition is having no part higher than another conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface or b p straight from merriam webster dictionary that sounds like merriam webster mctoon dictionary to me i'm just saying though i mean i got the definitions right here a horizontal planar line with respect to the distance above or below a given point that's the noun adjective having a flat or even surface without slopes or bumps or the verb give a flat and even surface too so i don't know whatever you're quoting me sounded like something mctoon said it's that's out to mctoon tune is not merriam webster but but they say i think what they're trying to argue is that according to like a popular dictionary out there they're saying that level can mean conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface i hear a lot of kids out there saying sick and that really means well michael jackson came out with an album called bad and a lot of people thought it was good so i guess level could mean curved in this wicked and perverse generation that we live in sure why not jc ad says fds people lived into their 20s or 30s in 1491 let's see and they're saying but it looks like you've made it past that in age thanks to science so i think they're saying hey why do you have such a hard thing with science when science scientific advancement has helped people to live much longer including yourself yeah i don't believe that for one minute bro go look every day you hear of a new crisis a new problem the Ebola mosquitoes um bees all dude come on bro all the things that all the problems the kids have nowadays down syndrome diabetes all this stuff keeps they keep coming up with new medicines and this and this improves it and stuff just keeps coming worse and worse have you looked at the sky lately bro have you looked at these kids these gang bangers don't even do drive-bys anymore they're walking around with oxygen inhibitors on on their phone it's a sad stay we live in bro open your eyes i'm just saying though and oh xd says you say that satan is trying to trick people and twist the bible's words how do you know that you're not the one satan tricked and made you think the earth is flat if i'm wrong may y'all strike me dead right now gotcha and imran well but to be fair i mean i think it is like they're trying to get on an epistemic issue of like how like if you were deceived how could you know that you were deceived because if you're deceived you you can't know that you were the one that was duped and so i think they're asking like how do you know that you're not the one who is duped by satan okay like i said if i am may y'all strike me dead right now if i am may i walk in the middle street and get hit by a car you know that's i don't know how i'm not the one but my god given senses tell me we live on a flat non-moving surface and when people speak there's a vibration that comes out of their voice so if you have an honest in open heart truth will resonate differently with your ears it goes in your heart then i lie well i'm just saying though don't take my word for it try it out imran kahn says i might have missed it but how does a flat earth earth explain different places having daylight and nighttime it's not plausible under a flat earth model sure it is just get a black get draw a circle on your floor turn out all the lights get a small flashlight beam you can circle around that circle download the flat earth app dude it'll take you two seconds you all got a smartphone or y'all using a landline rotary phone like richard nixon did in 69 it talked to you know i'm strong i'm just saying no next question gotcha so are like are you saying that the kind of the sun works apparently so the sun would be moving around the earth and it also works as kind of a spotlight so it has a kind of a narrow beam that hits the earth as it travels around the earth i think it's more like it's small you've never seen that signal before it's a little flatter signal i'm just saying though so beam of light the sun as it travels around it's only going to have that beam of light you know a certain amount of light around the giant surface of the earth this flat beautiful terra firma that we live on oh okay so i think it's saying this the sun is really small it just goes above a part of the earth at a time and it's not the same size as the moon that's what i'm saying yeah okay i know it's crazy huh it looks the same but you know nasa says it's not so yeah for some reason the moon can can pass in front of the sun and cover it for some reason yeah our eyes are just tricking us right the moon can completely cover the sun during a lunar or solar eclipse whatever we've been heliocentric by the best of them they got a billion dollar budget bro but my mind is a two dollar mine and it can overthink the nasa luciferian doctrine that we've been all told let the scales fall off your eyes or stop taking the checks one of the two yeah tom and then imran khan says i might have missed it but how does a flat earth or explain different places sorry i just read that sigma n he says for fds please tell me what i've been doing wrong for the last 25 years as a land surveyor detecting curvature with measurements i make myself non-gps related so do you just take the measurements and then factor in the curvature afterward with the adelite come on what's your what's your spherical geometry you guys are all deceived i mean i i know airplane pilots that swore they were flying over a curving spinning sphere without ever dipping their nose down bro horizon means horizontal water does not bend all you need to do is either take the scales off your eyes or stop getting the checks one way or the other bro i don't know how you guys can't see it it took me five minutes once i was flat smashed with the truth to understand that we've all been duped just saying though this next one from majellen says oh we got that one and then tim prier says going to pull another flat earth or atmosphere means sphere just saying bro oh bird yeah atmosphere here's a flat plane we live on dome over us yeah sphere like i said your your own words will prove my point i ain't even got to say it though i'm just saying though what does your mean what was that t what is word sphere mean what is what is the definition of the word sphere i'm showing you atmosphere that's it that's a word by the way but you know they put a lot of truth in the words like horizon airplane level sea level you guys can say oh sea level means curved airplane doesn't necessarily fly such in such a bug sea level well it does but it's curved we're too small to see the curve the indoctrination is deep it makes me want to pull my hair out bro but yet still here i remain so that's a half sphere the thing you drew that's not a sphere next up we are going to go to this question from our dearest friend bubble gum gun says how can we be real when our eyes aren't even real i'm just going to quote you on must you know it's real because it looks so fake next up i don't understand that question but we do understand this one he knows this one from the crawdaddy zero no i was saying the question that you were asked i honestly was like i don't know what they mean when they say your eyes aren't real but the crowd i mean asked elon he probably knows the answer to that question we'll ask your friend elon later but the crawdaddy zero tonight says when fds said the bottom of the globe reads for decoration purposes only he reminded me of zoolander saying that we are that what are we building a school for ants thank you very much are you a zoolander fan platter day um i don't watch movies the only time i ever watch even parts of movies is when i'm picking apart um hidden messages that they placed in movies but i haven't owned a tv in over five years i refuse to watch netflix i go to my mom's house if she's watching netflix i make sure i shut that stuff down real quick i advise all my friends and family do not watch tv for any entertainment purposes only only for educational purposes and me personally beyond education i do it to pick apart the little luciferian codes i'm into gematria and i break apart their numbers real well gotcha and tim prier says not trying to trip you up bro just telling you what i've seen with my own eyes bro get a telescope and you could do it yourself bro you know what i'm saying you called me bridge three times cool so are we just bridging the gap bridge god i'm just saying though is that another term for bro yeah bridge means bro in some other language but i bless the reins down in africa it's gonna take a hundred globers or more to hold me back you got it and you want to say thank you to our guests i think i might have you have one more standard question over here let me see if i joys are you serious thanks for your question said isn't the bible but i think they're so they're trying to object against the bible more broadly flatter day saint they're saying if you use the bible's evidence for a flat earth isn't the bible wrong when it says that uh the bible says that none of the stars go missing i don't they don't cite a verse but they say that and then they uh say we know that stars do cease to exist though and then they ask ask flat earth why trust the book on a flat surface then the so star seeks cease to exist right the 88 constellations all of a sudden aren't there sounds like you've been getting your intel from michelle fowler who says astrophysicists are time travelers there's no way that they couldn't be i mean there's the things you guys the the mental gymnastics that you guys jump through and the hoops you guys jump through there's no end in sight this is hilarious you guys give me non-stop material for my channel and you guys make my brain literally roll and laugh and circles on the ground you guys are so hilarious michellen says t-jump compliments to your super chair hope it's soft and thank you very much for emron cons question says i'll be a flat earth or four four million dollars all right and tim priors says thank you he says the old the old people in australia or upside down flame do me a favor point down then point south is it the same direction no south is not down up as not north normally i would have asked what level means curve black means white you're right south isn't down if you were on the middle of a pizza and you wanted to point south you just point in a circular direction around the crust everything goes in circles with you guys but there's still no revolutions you know what i'm saying interesting and jc 93013 says fds what the what is the biggest hidden message you have seen in movies biggest hidden message i saw in a movie okay y'all seen ipad goat too so i cracked that the other day uh when the apple rolls on the floor there's a v and a c painted on the ground in black and white v is the 22nd letter the alphabet c is the third letter of the alphabet 3 22 is the dome in the pyramid turned sideways i'm just saying though peep my channel within a week i'm gonna do a whole breakdown of the 322 ipad go be there or be square or spherical in your guys's case i'm just saying though jumping back to the old flat earth they say sorry tim priors is sorry that's not supposed to be claim oh gosh sorry that was my mistake they said sorry that's supposed to be claim not flame stupid talk to text hope you're not sending in a super chat while driving but so their original question with that regarding the at first alleged flame let's see i my goal is i'm trying to read the super chats prior to actually like speaking them out loud but once we go into the q and a it's really hard to do that because i'm kind of bouncing from question to question we'll go to the next one thank you very much for your question this one coming in from bear with me folks charles do appreciate your question asked how does gps work how do our cell phones work without a global positioning system how can you have global positioning without a globe hmm how can you have 99% of all internet and communication come from under sea cables with a satellite it sounds for its ground positioning system dude come on this is old watch old disney clips from the 40 bro they even break it down you know internet and phone not the same thing oh it's not internet and phones aren't the same thing huh yes gotcha and civil civil we haven't heard from you for a while aren't the same thing but you guys are both bad apples from the same evil tree i'm just saying no gotcha civil we haven't heard from you for a while are you still there still here okay gotcha if you want to jump in at any moment feel free to and another question just came in from jc ad said why do you see a different star looking up in australia than when you do in greenland if earth is flat everyone would see the same stars yeah but they see them from different perspectives so check this out right this person's looking at the stars let's say the stars are happy face and they're seeing the eyes towards them this person on the other side of the earth is seeing the smile towards him different perspectives it's super simple i don't know why i don't know why this is hard either you guys the scales haven't fallen off your eyes yet you're trying to trip me up but you're not going to trip me up on little questions like this even on big questions gotcha and want to remind you folks that our guests are linked in the description we really do appreciate our guests so we remind you to be your friendly regular friendly selves in terms of assaulting insulting the arguments rather than the people and or more critiquing the arguments but want to say we really do appreciate you hanging out with us here folks we have a lot of upcoming juicy juicy debates that we want to let you know about that you don't want to miss for example at the bottom right of your screen next week a debate on whether or not there is evidence for bigfoot you don't want to miss it so hit that subscribe button as we are really excited for that and i'll be back to tell you about more upcoming debates with our post credit scene in just a moment but first want to say thank you so much to our guests tom jump sible and flatter day saint as well as jackie may who had to leave early thank you all for being with us has been a true pleasure thank you i'm honored to be on your show thank you all four of you and so with that we'll be right back keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable i'll be back in a moment letting you know we have one last question tim prior just fired it in said you know words have more than one definition right try looking up all the definitions of level oh the one i gave you is the scientific definition flatter day stairway to heaven you know that sometimes words have two meanings well according to mctoon level means curves so i mean you guys got me you guys got me i'm not a flat earth or anymore i renounce my religion i'm a glober now not gotcha and i could have sworn we miss steven steens because i knew steven steen asked a question he said if the earth is flat why does google maps work on my flat phone checkmate globe heads oh you got me there you got me there google's not a luciferian organization that totally creps the minds of children got them all like zombies looking at the phone go got you guys go and get your shots all right that's all i got to say god put on your oxygen inhibitors and your grounding inhibitors we have a similar one adam geomodified foods then the next you really didn't like that one okay next to adam elvili is his question for tom tom if the earth is a globe please explain to me how come superman never adjust his flight for curvature tides go in and out he's going to know i can't explain that um yeah so obviously superman just he just doesn't tip his nose down when he when he's flying that's clearly clearly the cause here's that's that's the full explanation gotcha and so we really do appreciate all of our guests and so thank you to our guests i'll be back in just a moment with updates on other juicy upcoming debates in addition to the big foot debate next week so hang tight folks be back in a moment excited oh i always love it thanks for hanging out with us folks you guys it's always fun we really do i appreciate you coming by and so before i tell you about these upcoming debates i want to say hello and first i actually want to start with saying hello to the twitch chat folks we are really excited if you didn't know that we are on twitch and i just linked it into the live chat on youtube so if you want to check out our twitch my dear friends we are on twitch and we're excited if you prefer twitch well hey i just pinned it at the top of the live chat and you should definitely check it out and so we are really excited about that and we are also like i said gonna say hi to you and i just like getting to hang out and just kind of connect with you guys it's a nice one it's more personal like that so it's not just like kind of the show where it's like disconnected but it's 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just do it live so people are it's like you're on air right now like people are watching you as we're doing this debate so that makes it fun and also folks glad to see hi to you in the youtube live chat as well pardon my delay and oh sorry tim prior i'm sorry i missed your question before we went off air but i saw your super chat you said i downloaded the flatter earth app not accurate whatsoever people have even made videos showing this next question so we'll have to bring that up to flatter day saint if we have him on again and i'm sure that would be an interesting one and so we do appreciate your support everybody thanks for and folks want to want you to know like even if you never do a super chat even if you're never part of our patreon if you're just here hanging out we really appreciate it for real the more the merrier it makes it fun in a couple of ways one the more the merrier it just makes it more lively and fun when we've got different people but also it makes it kind of a it helps this channel remain you could say a melting pot of different people and ideas and that's what we're going for we really do want everybody to feel welcome so whether you are flat earth glober christian atheist democrat republican you name it we really do hope you feel welcome and folks i want to remind you we have things in common even if you are from totally different views one thing i find that we all agree on is that we all want people to have a fair shot at making their case on a level playing field and that is our vision and our goal that we without a shadow of a doubt folks are going to fulfill at modern day debate as we continue to have epic debates and so anyway glad to say hi to you though and so fish drag doll fish frog dolphin good to see you and adam albillia good to see you as well dav langer thanks coming by oh i was going to mention two things oh i remember what i was going to mention i'm going to mention remind me about the facebook thing we are at modern day debate i'm really excited folks that i'm going to put it into the chat right now facebook.com modern day debate we our modern day debate facebook page right now is it's at 970 likes which is super encouraging i would highly recommend folks our facebook if we can get to 1000 likes that i just threw it in the old chat there and i'll put it in the twitch chat as well if we can get to 1000 likes that's our goal and that's something that i'm excited about kind of reaching that threshold in facebook as we are just pumped because frankly for the longest time i didn't think anybody really used the facebook and i was like should we even have a modern day debate facebook page but long story short i'm just super excited that it's growing and so you know it's a way folks whether you be on facebook or twitter we have those social media to announce debates and that way it kind of keeps you informed if you're like oh maybe it comes out in the morning where we're like hey tonight we're going to host a debate on x y and z and then you can kind of be like yeah like i think i'll tune in for that or like that topic isn't for me maybe next time so we are pumped to see you advanced lamb advanced lamb thanks for coming by and let's see apricot sloth thanks for here thanks for coming by as well as we're glad you're here mind onion pumped you made it and sunny deville thanks for coming by and steve coat thanks for coming by as well and thanks kilgore trout for your support of the channel says like button with an elbow off of the top rope i couldn't agree more please do hit that like button if you enjoyed this debate if it was entertaining if it was fun if you maybe you at some point thought hey i like i never heard of that idea before that's pretty interesting please do help support the channel that way we do appreciate it doubting tom is good to see you again says i hope jackie gets better we do too i hope she's okay i think she yeah so long story short we hope she's okay she had to leave early and hannah anderson glad to see you again and thanks for your support nero good to see you coffee troll good to see you square circle happy you're here i'm so glad you enjoyed tonight's topic steve coat happy you're here and ursh man glad you're here soldier of science let me know for real if you want to do that debate on bigfoot let me know you can email me at modern day debate at gmail.com and then hey we might be able to get you in on that that could be really fun yeah if especially if you happen to be a female we are really looking for female debaters nothing against bros i'm a bro but we have so many bros on for debates and that's all right but nonetheless we want to be sure that women know you're absolutely welcome to debate here and so right above me so you're seeing like right above that's not civil that's a picture of civil just so you know she's not just standing really still so uh she is gone but we do appreciate civil and want to remind you at this point our guests are linked in the description folks so we are excited about that steve coat thanks for your kind words appreciate that encouragement brook chavis says can we make it to 200 likes let's go for it where are we at right now 138 so let's we can let's go for a mini goal baby steps can we get to 150 i'm excited and i think we can especially as we have 237 people watching right now i totally think we can get to 150 at the very least and so thanks for your support fam platium says hey me and let's farm we're working on overhauling the discord server in a week or two i would love if you could have a look at a couple texts to see if it represents the channel correctly think of an abstract about mdd section faq how to contact you and the other links to the show thanks for that that's a great idea platium and thank you for doing the work you do seriously i really do appreciate it and so thank you um i'm happy to check it out and and connect on that and then also dave langer thank you said you should also do instagram to announce debates we might move on to instagram i've thought about it and so yes we are pumped about the future though thank you guys so much for all of your support want to let you know about some of the upcoming debates and mind onion good to see you as well thanks for coming by trying to see if is there anybody that i missed will steward good to see you king crew thanks for all your support of the channel seriously it means a lot and i got to let you know folks just by hanging out here just by watching debates here like you've helped the channel already because it really does like it does help in more than one way one is that we already said the more the merrier and we like having a diverse community but also um whether you maybe you don't like it maybe if you're hate watching because i mean we've got a small percent of hate watchers out there and we love them we always welcome them but want to let you know that even if you're hate watching that actually does help the youtube algorithm because youtube like sees like oh look this person is watching this debate we'll recommend it to other people that are watching or that have similar interests as you know ralph or whoever it is that's watching the debate so you really are just by being here it does help the channel we appreciate you and so well let's see my name is this hi james thanks for that hello i appreciate it germ says here's another vote for an instagram thanks for that i'll think about it for real i'm open to it i haven't i've got a personal instagram um that's probably what i would convert into the modern day debate one because i don't really use mine and i'm just kind of like i don't know it's and it's also got a small like following already um sometimes like people from modern day debate have found it and i think that's where a good amount of come from already so uh maybe we will just kind of convert it i'll see if i can do that can you change your name on instagram i don't know but tim prior thanks for your super chat said good you agree south is not down so why would you think people in australia would be upside down oh i wonder if thanks for your super chat tim it might be that tim is watching the debate like maybe he like pulled the little timer back so that he's maybe right now watching an earlier part of the debate and maybe that's why he's ascending into super chat now so sorry tim if you if you didn't realize that that's the case because we are our guests are gone um that's not civil up there that's just a picture of her but by the way does anybody know what like who uses that joke and will stewart says can i suggest new lighting setup your forehead is blown is blown out and a hair light would separate you from the curtain i am totally open to that said email me for a simple one actually i'm i might actually go over tonight tonight um basically i'm really like super encouraged a super supportive viewer of modern day debate reached out to me and he was like hey can i like buy you a lamp for like watching or for like um what's the word i'm looking for can i buy you a lamp for streaming and i was like yeah like thank you that's awesome so it should be in the mail any day now i've got to go check and see if it's already come so i'm really excited about that though so we will very soon we'll actually have good lighting on the stream so you're right i am all washed out so um now i know what that means is that what you mean by washed out because you can't see like any of the detail of my face for example like i've got this like white light forehead you can't see like any of the lines in my forehead that is maybe what cam meant when he told me i look all washed out but anyway kill gore trout good to see you abdulla ibn iblis we're glad you're with us said they said yes you can james thank you i don't know what you're referring to but i appreciate your support and thanks for your oh no tim prier vanem i don't know if you knew that the stream is you must be i think you're watching it like earlier in the debate um because i just saw another super chat from you um said then why are the gps antennas on top of planes if it's underground cables so yeah i think that must have been a question for um flatter day so sorry flatter days gone but patium says enlightened brain thank you and will steward says yep that's it yeah it's a ring light i'm getting a ring light i guess makeup youtubers who advertise makeup and stuff like that they'll like put on their makeup in front of their light and i guess they use this type of light so i'm really excited about that it's going to be awesome and i've been watching nathan for you lately so much strampster good to see you says kenthoven that's not my wife that's just a picture of her okay all right yes that is good one strampster you got it i love it you recognize what that phrase is from so that's not a picture of civil that's just a picture of her okay all right all right well hello everybody welcome to dinosaur in your land okay so but all right okay brook thanks for your huge support seriously that that does mean a lot brook said almost to 150 likes that is epic so thank you guys for all of your support for all of your likes and everything else and so yeah we are pumped about the future i'm going to tell you about some of the upcoming debates as i mentioned the tuesday bigfoot debate uh jc 93013 says aron raw versus natalie thompson rematch maybe that's very funny i don't know if that's going to happen um i can try no joke i actually will try at some point i think i will probably ask them if they want to do it but i don't count on it being anytime soon j mike says ask them how equatorial amounts work in flat planes for me thanks for your question j mike although i'm guessing you might be watching earlier in the debate grow your own says thanks for your channel james one of my favorite channels to listen to thanks for your kind words seriously that means more than you know it really does i i do appreciate it and yeah you guys i gotta let you know we are really excited upcoming debates let me tell you about some of these so bigfoot next tuesday tag team debate kind of like tonight's also though you guys were pumped we are not just going to have bigfoot we are also going to have a socialism versus capitalism one on wednesday thanks for your kind words about oh i'm like laughing as you guys are saying uh um gay gay nomadic says nice impression of nero's laughing that star hamster says laughing my butt off great impression and then fish frog dolphin says wow you're hoping an impression is spot on all right okay well thanks everybody mm okay so that's not my wife that's a picture of her okay j mike thanks i says i'll rewind okay got you j mike um but yeah we i do uh i do have a lot of excitement about the future and upcoming debates now our first week of may will be a little bit quieter but i gotta tell you guys it's about to drop news is about to drop of our mega event for june and it's gonna be mega all right like we really are excited about this and so i am pumped as believe me you're gonna be excited when you hear about this debate so it's going to be a great topic it's going to be a great uh pair of two debaters very bright guys uh they happen to be guys i'll give you that much we haven't confirmed it yet so i'm trying to be like a little bit like hush hush because i don't want people to go up to them and be like oh hey i heard you're gonna do this debate and then they're like we haven't confirmed that yet and then why is james saying that so i can't tell you the deeds yet but bro chav is good to see you so glad you like that impression and reservoir of gore says hi james do you think having fds on your your uh debates is more for show than substance that's an interesting question you know for me i have to remain neutral so i can't talk about like whether or not i think that someone is giving substantive arguments i don't want to say that like publicly on air while we're streaming right now um so i i don't know it's like for me to be a neutral channel it's like i i don't really want to take a stance in the sense of saying somebody doesn't have substance so big screen bird says without what about a gun control debate i'd be down for that we might actually have that so please do stay tuned we're excited about that possibility j mike says much love james grateful for everything you do thank you for your kind words j mike seriously i do appreciate your positivity that means a lot and so gay nomadic said uh matt delondi versus kentovin no no by the way i've asked like a year ago i asked kentovin or asked matt and matt's like i i'm really not interested so i don't think that's gonna happen but but yes uh thank you guys for your your likes 150 likes that's encouraging so thank you all for your support mark reads as i agree with big screen a gun control debate would be good yeah we no joke i've got a pair who are i'm like ready to set them up it depends on whether or not long story short so they're like all these like it's almost like a decision tree um or like a almost like a little logic tree is if destiny says no to my next request regarding the topic that i'm gonna ask him then you'll get the um if he says yes it'll take a little bit longer for the uh gun control debate and it'll be probably in late may if he says no then it'd probably be a little bit earlier so probably like early may so that's like the the short answer but yeah so i am working on it and mark reads says i agree with big screen bird that topic would be great i'm so glad to hear that that it would be a fun topic and we we've only done it sparingly so i think it would be a good one platinum i can tell you this the platinum thanks for asking the topic for the big Kickstarter event so i don't know if you guys know this do you guys remember let me know if anybody remembers it because a lot of you are probably new you may be subscribed in the last couple months but our like last time we had that Kickstarter event and so we plan on doing that again and this one we're probably going to have it be a public event though so um but yeah i'll basically it would be whether or not there's good evidence for god so that will be cool Kilgore trout says i first came to this channel because of md so i hope he will be back hey you might be pleasantly surprised no promises yet but i'm telling you i'm optimistic big screen bird says we'll put my name in the chat for that one please my name in the hat got you big screen bird thanks for letting me know that if you shoot me an email at modernated beta gmail.com that helps me uh just to know in terms of remembering uh that you'd want that kathryn masso am i pronouncing it right thanks for coming by we're really glad that you were here kathryn so thanks for hanging out with us first time is this the first time i've seen you in the live chat before well in either case we're glad you're here and so let me uh jump back over to the old twitch chat sorry twitch i know i'm like slow to respond sometimes but i am also thankful for you guys hanging out here blue magic says any chance i'm getting william and craig on the show for god debates i wish i don't know i think it's tough to get i'm gonna do god debates now frankly i'm not trying to be i don't want to even speculate all i know is that william lane craig doesn't do nearly as many debates as he used to and so um that is why i've requested i've reached out more than once and uh i haven't gotten a yes rad goat thanks for being with us i see you there in the old twitch chat cool olds thank you for being with us as well in the old twitch chat we appreciate you hanging out here and scottie c 3845 thanks for coming by appreciate you hanging out with us at the old twitch chat and let's see here tapas so good to see you those emotes i uh i love them absolutely seriously they rock and so feel free to say hi by the way if you're in the twitch chat like i i like getting to say hello to you and uh share with you between sharing what upcoming debates there are blue magic says moderated bait and i agree with the other chat and control debate would be amazing that would be epic seriously i'm open to it and uh and i'm actually like no joke it's like in the making so big screen bird said let's see brook chava says have you watched letter kenny i've never watched it i don't know what that is sign that he says thanks james sorry for yet another round of trollish super chats you are the master that's funny you do have a lot of trollish super chats i um yeah and um mark read said yeah that's true james i think he may have semi retired yeah i kind of think he did um unofficially i think that he might come back for special things but i don't know i think he's more open to like conversations the old formal debate i don't know if he's up for that kind of structure anymore but mind onion said you should set up competition between youtube chat and twitch chat make some kind of scoring system maybe related to super chat questions that's an interesting idea and we are trying to figure out like oh someone asked to patsul maybe you can help us um someone asked is there like an equivalent to in twitch um is there some sort of equivalent to like doing a super chat i think um brook this morning we had a patreon meeting and brook said there's something called tipping i don't know how it works i'm totally new to twitch so i haven't tried to set anything like that up um but i don't know i i've got to talk to patsul about that so plattium says i love more philosophical debates too that would be fun i am open to that and i actually like i'm you could say leaning toward that so i'm i'm cool with that idea to patsul says yes it's stream labs oh that's how people are tipping through twitch okay blue magic says this is a debate channel but there isn't a current debate bad means good and black means white now just saying though that's funny blue magic says and i agree with the other oh gotcha thanks for that and let's see um we would love to have dr richard wolf on again we really enjoyed getting to host him and dr uh dr freedman that was like one of our most epic debates so that would be cool i saw that being discussed in the old twitch chat and so yeah thank you for hanging out with us though in the twitch chat i'm so excited that uh it's been useful like people are uh because like i when i started and i'm still learning about twitch so i'm kind of like cool like i'm glad that it's like people enjoy watching from twitch it's cool and sigma any let's see big screen birds that i just sent an email but yeah gregory thanks for coming by i see you there in the old youtube chat as well sunday star warship says has there ever been a debate about reparations on a modern day debate i know it has come up in debates but don't remember if it has ever the topic we haven't yet though i'm open to it um that'd be cool will stewart says there are lots of software options to combine all chat into one place i didn't know that that would actually be cool i'm open to that that'd be neat mark reads says i think james the cgi no one is really that that's funny you're funny mark but yeah we are excited about the future you guys i can't emphasize th