Nine Till Noon Show, it's Greg Hughes. Morning Greg. Thank you very much indeed, Roy. Have a great weekend. See you Monday. OK, our Friday panel will be joining us very shortly to kick off today's edition of the Nine Till Noon Show, but at 9 o'clock we'll get a news update and cross over now to Mikayla Clark. Thanks, Greg. Good morning. Tributale being paid to former Finafall concert Dermott McLaughlin following his death. Mr. McLaughlin served as a concert in the Boncrona Urban District Council taking on the role as chair on numerous occasions. Kehirlock of Donegal County Council, Councillor Jack Murray, says he leaves behind an incredible legacy having represented the people of Boncrona for more than four decades. While Kehirlock of the Inno Show Municipal District, Councillor Nicholas Croson, he served alongside Mr. McLaughlin on the Town Council, says he will be a huge loss to the town. Dermott was well known throughout the Boncrona community, throughout the whole of Donegal. He served in an offload area, I couldn't even name the committees that he did. He was very, very dedicated to the community and he served as the people of Boncrona. He was a central figure of Boncrona and he will, Boncrona will last term with McLaughlin. Donegal County Council has been told that the local development plan for Leicester County is not ready to go to public consultation yet as there are still some disagreements between members and officials. Speaking during a protracted debate at this week's Council meeting, head of planning Liam Ward, said the Leicester County 2040 document on the local plan should be interlinked but some members were skeptical saying that could limit their power to change the plan in the future. Councillor Michael McBride says two major sticking points remain, one of them the need to develop south of the swilly, the other to do with potential flood zones on which officials are suggesting development might be limited. We feel it's too close to the town centre. It's beside the ATU. We feel it should be incorporated. We have a few other issues with developments out on the Leic side, on the south side of the River Swilly. The councillors feel that we need a critical mass of houses out there to be able to get the services put in. We strongly feel there's a council that that south side of the swilly needs development. An independent TD says there's a serious question mark around the National Broadband Plan. It's after it was revealed just over 40,000 homes were passed by the end of March. New figures from National Broadband Ireland showed the target for the end of the year has been caught from 205,000 to 102,000. Independent Deputy Michael McNamara says people are being told the service isn't available. People are crying out to get a proper broadband connection and can't get it to their homes. So the government really have to look at the contract that was signed with the service provider and what mechanisms are there to hold them to the targets that were set out in the plan. Weyden, I rather call today with frost clearing to leave a day of sunshine and shards. Many of the shards will be wintry in nature with heel sleet and some snow. Highest temperatures of six to nine degrees. That's all from Highland Radio. News for now. We'll be back with news again at 10 o'clock. Until then, good morning. COVID-19 can still cause serious illness, especially in people at higher risk. We need to keep protecting each other. So stay home with a few of symptoms. Wear a mask in healthcare settings, public transport and busy places. Let fresh air in if you're meeting indoors. Keep hands clean and get a COVID-19 vaccine and booster. Let's keep looking out for each other from the HSC for us all. 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And to be in with a chance of winning the 1000 euro, you need to enter that by 11. I'll tell you more about that a little later on. But on to the business of the Friday panel, we say good morning. Firstly, and welcome on to the show, Dr. Kieran of our GP. Good morning, Kieran. Thank you very much for joining us. Morning, Greg. Thanks for having me. It's great to have you with us. We also welcome on to the program, Professor Pat O'Connor, Professor of Sociology and Social Policy at Limerick University. Good morning to you, Professor. Good morning, Greg. Great to see you again. And last but not least, Senator Nile Blaney, Finifolk spokesperson on Northern Ireland. Good morning, Nile. Morning, Greg. Great to have you with us. I might start with you, Professor O'Connor, if that's okay. One of the big stories this week is the news that Tony Hulhan is moving from the Department of Health to Trinity College. There's a bit of controversy, particularly I think with how this move was announced, the circumstances around it, the fact that the Department of Health is going to pay his wages. And now we learn that he's going to be earning 30,000 more than other professors at Trinity College. I'm not sure what they might think of that. How do you think, what do you think of this move? Firstly, do you believe, as the government does, that it's good for the country? Secondly, Professor, how do you think it's been handled? Oh, she's gone. Right, I'll go to you first on this one. Nile, if that's okay. Yeah, I'm sure. Greg, maybe I'll take the last prior question first. How has it been handled? I don't think it's been handled that well. The appointment has been made. And when you make appointments like this, and don't make any explanation, it makes it very difficult for people like me to come along and get a little bit of background on the situation. And I suppose if they revise a little bit first generation to Tony Hulhan, it's not that long ago that he was a hero in this country. I personally know Tony Hulhan for quite some time. But that really doesn't come into this situation. It's basically about the post involved. As I'm told, it is extremely well qualified for this position. Does he have a background in teaching, lecturing? Does he have all the qualifications that his fellow professors at Trinity would have in that regard, I wonder? Well, I think the teaching and lecturing part of it isn't as opposed to the point around lecturing, it's about being competent in the area that you're lecturing in. There's nobody more competent in infectious diseases, and more over Greg, there's nobody more competent when it comes to making decisions, proper decisions, maybe decisions when it's not written in a book, where you have to make calls yourself. Yeah, but it's not going to need that decision making I mean, that's not a tick in the box for this job, is it? Yeah, what he is bringing to the table, this isn't just an lecturing job, it's research into infectious diseases. On the back of all that he has brought to the table, as the medical profession he is, but moreover, what he brings to the table in relation to infectious diseases, the experience has had over the last two plus years. But he did bring it to the table and having the proper structures put in place and having these types of diseases properly researched. That's fantastic. And he obviously is passionate about that as is the Department of Health because they, in conjunction with the Trinity College, created this position for him. There wasn't a vacancy going, I'm not sure there's a full round of interviews. Trinity College were approached offering this. I mean, is that proper order? I suppose people see things like this in the way it's done. It should, it's not proper order for any job, great. But this is done properly if you advertise. But you know, Robert Watts has come in to a job of late and has brought a whole lot of scrutiny around how these things are handled. We should have learned from that position. And now Robert Watts involved in this as well. And personally, I don't like the way he generally approaches things. Well, his appointment is kind of similar to isn't it? Apart from his appointment, his approach to doing things like this is not what it needs to be and not what it should be for professional in his position. And I would like to see this whole position with Tony Hulan done a more professional manner. I had no doubt he would come out the other end of it because of what he brings to the table. Moreover, he'd be sitting on his job for the next 15 years anyway, if he wanted to do great. But for me, that's what him being safe, for instance, safe, for instance, I was guaranteed a job here at Highland Radio for the next 15 years. All right, but I didn't fancy doing it anymore. I felt like, right, you know what? I've achieved all I can achieve here. What would normally happen is as I'd hand in my notice, and I would go and apply for other jobs, compete with other people. But what he's done, or what has happened with him, he feels perhaps maybe he's achieved everything in kind of CMO, but then a new role is created for him in Trinity College, to which he just moves across under the same terms and conditions to be able to sit for another 15 years earning the type of money he is to be going in there 30,000 euro more than other professors. And let's not forget Trinity is bound by the public service pay scales as well, though there are exceptions, of course.  And what is effectively going to happen is the Department of Health are going to be paying 187,000 euro twice for two CMOs effectively when one is over at Trinity, which has some private funding as well. I mean, there's a lot more wrong with this than just with how it's handled, surely. It's not right, but it's not just as you portrayed it at the start. Tony Hurlin didn't decide to do this. There's people in the Department of Health on the back of what happened in the last two years who said this post should be put in place. And they decided that Tony Hurlin is the man for the job, seemingly without a process. And that's the difficulty for me. I have no illusion or there's no illusion that Tony Hurlin is the man for the job. Moreover, we know with all due respect to you, Senator, without a proper, because I heard Stephen Donnelly saying the same that no one is more qualified for this job than Tony Hurlin, without a proper process of advertising a position to see what other people might bring to the table. How do we know that? How do we know, for example, that, you know, that there wasn't 30 more female people that could have been good members of Nefford? You know, we don't know. They were appointed and it was very, very, very male-centric. Like, how do we... You say that as if it is a fact. How do we know that he's the best person for the job when this job is not advertised, the criteria is not advertised, maybe there's international candidates that might come in and do it for 140,000 euro or 150. We don't know. You say something as if it is a fact with, you know, we don't know that. Well, Greg, I suppose we all say things as if they're thanks when actually it's a person's opinion. It's my personal opinion that I don't believe they're about Canada out there. But I'm agreeing with you. There should be a process. There should be a process for every job. It shouldn't be a point of the way it is. I'm agreeing with you. But it's not something that Tony Hurlin has gone on and said, I want that job and put me in there. He did. He did mold it to what he believed it should be to some extent as well, though I think that's pretty much on the public record. I'm not sure. Okay. I'm not sure. Do you believe that the appointment should go ahead?  I don't believe appointing people the way we're doing it is the way to go into the current climate and the current age we're in. Okay. I want to get Dr Kieran O'Farrey's opinion on this as well. Kieran, what do you think? I take issue with some of what's happened here as well. I think, number one, we all recognize the good work and the hard work that Dr Hurlin has done over the last two years. And you'd hate to see a good man taken down now at the end of all that. But I think there are a lot of questions about this. At the minute, there's a lot of change happening in the discipline of public health. It's trying to be moved up. We're having doctors appointed as consultants in public health medicine and obviously as chief medical officer and being part of that public health. I think Dr Hurlin probably saw that having somebody of his stature maybe in his experience taking up a role in a prestigious university would probably help to drive public health in the country. And I think there's definitely benefit from the for the country and having somebody with his experience in a role that involves research and hopefully will continue to develop public health for our good. But at the same time, you know, this is a role within a university. To me, it brings back the, I suppose drip drip drip of information that had to be pulled out at every, every step and, you know, I think for some, for a university electronic college, I'm sure they would have been only delighted to have somebody of the caliber of Tony Hurlin come into a professor job. But I don't see why the Department of Health has to be funding that on an open ended basis. And it does seem a little bit like a golden handshake or a job for the boys type thing. And, and that's the bit that I would take issue with.  But he is part of this as well. He was he knew how this was going to play out. Does that then raise questions as to his judgment, if he did not see what was the how this was going to be handled and how it might be perceived? I did hear a statement from the Department of Health yesterday saying that the logistics of the finance of this is still to be worked out between the Department and Trinity College. I don't know if that's a little bit of a rollback from where it came from earlier in the week, but I think that the funding of it is the big issue more than anything else. And I think that's the bit that most people will take a bit of issue with. You know, why does the Department of Health have to fund this role? If they had come out in the initial statement and said the Department of Health decided that the development of public health within this country is really important. We want to see somebody with strong credentials taking on an international role, a professorial job within Trinity College, which will hopefully promote public health in the country, will attract young doctors into this speciality. And the Department of Health has decided that the funding of that is important for the development of public health. I think there'd be very little said about this. I think it's the way it was said was this announcement that he's retiring his CMO and taking a job in Trinity College when it's very different from that in fact. And this has been a this the whole idea of this came from the Department of Health. You know, I think that information should have been clearly put out into the public domain at the start. And, you know, Robert Watt as Secretary-General is central in this and he hasn't been shy of controversy since his own appointment in the role. In terms of I'm sure the minister or cabinet don't sign off on all of these type of decisions. But given the person that we're talking about his profile and the position he was taking on. What does it say that Stephen Donnelly was not consulted on this at all? He actually really read about it in the newspapers. Is that a civil service that believes there are a lore unto themselves or does it question maybe the respect they might have for Stephen Donnelly as health minister? Yeah, I saw he welcomed it strongly on Twitter when it was announced initially. And it seems like he was almost unaware of the nitty gritty of what was involved here. I suppose that that's the question of how much a minister needs to know. But I think if the lead medic in the Department of Health who's been so kind of in the public domain over the last two years of moving jobs, it does beg her belief that the minister wouldn't be aware of the minutiae of that and wouldn't have been consulted about it. Again, Niall, you know, someone from within government, within the coroners of power, so to speak, here we are again talking about a situation that should not be as controversial as it is if the messaging, if the communication was at a level where it should be at. And it's one thing after another. It's not necessarily the decisions. It's how they communicated. I mean, you must have an insight as to what these mostly former journalists and other advisers to the government, like, what do they actually do? Should they not be ran out of town?  I mean, there's a lot of them. Yeah, I'm not going to nut trap. Why not? It's not a trap. I wouldn't paint them all with a blush. But if we get back to the issue in relation to the appointment and the minister not knowing about annotation, not knowing about it. And I think this comes back to the word Robert Wat and it says a lot of his personality and we're starting to see traits of his personality. I don't think it's good for the Department of Health. I don't think his attitude towards doing these things is good for proper governance in the Department of Health and government as a whole. And I think he has questions to answer here. And he can't keep continuing in the same vein that he has done. But he just goes goes off on those these things and feels he has the authority to do it. It sounds to me a little bit like you have no confidence in him. I don't like a style, Greg. I think he's a capable individual, but I feel there's a sense of arrogance there. That's not going to argue wealth at the Department of Health or any minister or Taoiseach of the day. Professor Pat O'Connor is back with us, Pat. Good morning. Don't don't do that to me. But no, the internet dropped and it's currently unstable. I'm running it off the phone and I'm not a techie. Well, you know what? You've done you've done a pretty good job. So we'll crack on whilst we have you. That's OK. We've been listening to Kieran and now over Tony Hoolihan's appointment. You won't have been privy. I don't think to to some of their comments. But what do you what's your take on firstly the appointment and maybe how it's been handled there, Pat? Oh, well, I mean, I'm really interested to say a few words on this. I think it shows really a HR issue being extremely badly handled by the highest paid civil servant in the country who has taken four days to admit he made that decision. I'm talking about the Secretary General of the Department of Health. I mean, in a way, clearly, there was a HR issue, but actually solving it by having the taxpayer pick up a bill for an indefinite period of time for one hundred and eighty thousand a year is not to my mind adequate performance as a manager, not telling your boss, i.e. the Minister for Health is also extraordinary and does suggest a degree of extraordinary arrogance and failure to recognize line management and the part of the Secretary General. The second crazy thing is the fact that Trinity has said that this sort of appointment is normal. Well, hello, right? Professorships, which are at the top of the academic hierarchy, are extremely competitively thought mostly three quarters of those in those positions are men and we are told and I am a full professor, we are told that these positions are on the basis of merit. Well, hello, merit implies a competition on the base of excellence. People apply. Their CV is better to simply get sorted by getting professorship in Trinity. It's like giving out sweets to children and to presume that he is the best person for the job ignores an awful lot of variables. Of course, he's had a huge profile for the last couple of years, but to presume that he is the man for the job, does it damage the whole professorship system? Well, it certainly is not. I mean, if Trinity is correct that this is normal in Trinity. I'd like to know how many other appointments have been given without competition. And I'd like to know the gender profile of those competitions because certainly in my experience, this there are. This is not good practice. If it happens, it is not appropriate. Like it's different to people can get mixed up. There are things called honorary positions, right? Honorary professorships where you it's like getting a gold medal. You get no money. You're simply entitled to use the designation professor. This is totally different. This is he's basically got a full professorship. Now, the fact that Trinity, although seeing him as so eminently qualified that there's no need for a competition, has is actually not paying him. It's a further extraordinary thing. Like the Department of Health is paying him now. And this is not a secondment as everybody has a convent, a temporary. I mean, I'm trying to avoid that word. This is a transfer. Exactly. But yes, you know, the minute the the tarnisher has come out and called it as a convent. As a convent is a temporary arrangement. Dr. Hula and I said very clearly he's not going back. So to my mind, this is a cronyistic little solution to a HR issue. And it is, I'm afraid, between men. Is it unusual for a role to just be created, you know, for a particular individual? Is that normal? Well, it's in the worst tradition of looking looking after your friends, right? And overwhelmingly, this is, I have seen it happen. This is a gendered solution in part of commerce to a management problem. But it is completely unacceptable and does no credit to the Department of Health, Trinity College or anywhere else. What do you think other professors might think with Tony Hulhan coming into this created position, pulling in an extra 30 K, which and, you know, we banding these figures around, let me say the majority of people or at least a large amount of people in Donegal do not take that 30 K home in a year. They'd be very, very lucky to do so that I would actually say it's probably the majority. And yeah, that is the difference between his wage and others professors wages. How do you think that will go down? Is that justifiable? Of course it isn't. And I mean, in a way, but it's also so crazy is that the whole question as to you can be an excellent CMO, but that does not mean that you have the skills to do research or to teach in a way. And in fact, he has said that, you know, he's in a position to say how health strategy should be done in Ireland. Some people remember that the CMO is not only responsible for COVID, but he also was responsible for the handling of the survival spirit. The survival. Well, you see, you see, the thing that happens here is often you don't hear that from, you know, guests that we would invite onto the airways, but that's what's coming through in the text machine. People are saying to people forget that. What one final question? I mean, to become a professor, a teaching professor, I think he has some element of teaching. Do you not have to have, you know, a certain amount of experience in that regard to be elevated to, you know, professorship in a teaching role? Yes, we can understand what he can bring to the research and all that. But I would have thought there's to get to that, the top, the top part. Let's just go with that one. I'm not going to try and get my tongue around the other word that you have to, there has to be criteria met. There has to be a certain amount of air miles if you were to be a pilot, for example. Well, I mean, one of the other peculiar things is that Irish higher education has got into the habit of overvaluing research and undervaluing teaching. Partly for all sorts of complicated reasons and driven by really global rankings and things like that. So in a way, there is no specific sort of saying you have to be X, Y and Z. But normally a professorial competition, which is like perhaps for your listeners, it's useful to say, like there are steps on the ladder. You can spend a long time before you get to the bottom wrong, which is lecturer scene. And then you've seen your lecture associate professor professor. It takes about 25 to 30 years to go from your PhD, which is often followed by postdoc, which is can be like your undergraduate is four years, your PhD is four years, then you could do a postdoc two or three years, you're talking 11 or 12 years before you get started on this 25 to 30 year ladder. Walks in. I'd have Robert I'd have Robert Wattenspeed dial with with that with those hoops that have to be jumped through. Before we take a break and move on to our next topic then, Dr. Kieran, what do you think would be the appropriate next move now? It's not going to pitter out because Robert what's going to be called after Easter into a committee. So this story is not just going to go away, even if there are those that wish it should. But what would you think now be an appropriate move, you know, proportional? Just as a little bit of a background, I think, but in clinical medicine, there's a slightly different way where professors come about. And, you know, most of them would come from kind of a level of experience and work. And that would have been my experience. And if, you know, through through college, I think the funding of this is at the crux of the issue. And if Trinity College came out and said, OK, we really value this professor, we're glad to have him. We think we should fund it. I think that would probably draw a line under us. Yeah. Senator Blanley, the same question to you. I agree. I was caught out for a second. That's all right. Now, the question, sorry, that's OK. I understand the question was, is what needs to happen next then? You know, what's what would be a proportionate response to sort of address, I suppose, public anger or disquiet, but also the best for, you know, you know, for everyone, really, what do you think is an appropriate move at this point? Well, I think an appropriate move would be to spell out exactly what his role will be in the position with Trinity, spelling out the time he's going to spend on research and the time he's going to spend actually lecturing. I don't have an issue with the Department of Health seeking out and paying a fee towards research that's very much needed in the area of public health and particularly in relation to the pandemic. Don't have a problem with that. But again, it's the appointment in the process. And I heard very clearly what Professor Geary said there, and I think she's raised a very very good question this morning that need to be answered as well. Yeah, Professor O'Connor, I do wonder if this were publicly advertised, would Tony Houlin apply for it in competition with any other people? I don't know the answer to that question. But finally, from you then, what do you believe would be an appropriate action now off the back of what has unfolded over the last couple of days, Sir Pat? Well, I do think that, I mean, at the very least, Trinity should advertise the position and spell out its responsibilities.  And so really, in a way, we know that Tony Houlin will get it, even if it's publicly. So this is like it's this like the advertised a job for a, you know, a middle aged middle aged balding man with a beard from Lahi. It might give me it might give me an unfair advantage. Is that is that what you're saying? Exactly. I mean, effectively for a former CEO, but it would at least following Neil's point, it would at least indicate what exactly the role is. Right. I mean, it looks like a bit of a syndicate where Tony Houlin will have the opportunity to justify his actions as CMO. And really, that requires an independent investigation. He did some excellent things, but some of his decisions, for example, even in COVID around masks were extraordinary, right, and wrong as subsequently emerge. But it also like just on that, you know, like he's of the view that masks would make no difference currently. I think that's probably the last big decision he's made. But that is at odds with the IMO and its members. It's at odds with the emergency department task force and another large group. Now, I'm not saying who's right or wrong, but that was the last big decision as far as I'm aware that he made. But it is contrary seemingly to what an awful lot of people who actually work on the front line would want. And he was very slow to introduce masking. But anyway, you should never really investigate your own actions, you know, because in a way, we all like to think we're, you know, making good decisions as we can. So really, I also think Robert Watt has a few questions to answer. And because not least of which is the fact that he has shown like an arrogance in terms of insisting on Robert Watt is paid something like, oh, I can't remember the exact figure, but he insisted on taking his extra, his 80,000 more. 300 now, but he's due another pay rise shortly if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, but be that as may, he's paid more than any other secretary-general. And is the really, you know, the reason why he's taking so much is because he's willing to show an arrogance and an indifference to accountability. Well, I'm sorry, I don't think those are good criteria for secretary-general. OK, the voice there of Professor Pat O'Connor, Professor of Sociology and Social Policy at Limerick University. We also have with us a GP, Dr. Kieran Alfari, and of course, Senator Nal Blaney, Finifall Spokesperson on Northern Ireland, more from them and your comments coming into us as well. After we take a break. 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But if they're landed in water, they can go into the human food chain by way of fish fingers and all that type of stuff, particularly for the African market. But when a couple of boats landed at Kilibegs, they were said, look, you have to drain the water out for us to weigh these fish and the skippers turned on their heels and headed out. One went back to Denmark, I believe. The other went to Derry because a processor had bought the fish. Went to Derry. The fish were unloaded in the water at Derry, put into lorries and transported to Kilibegs to be processed. That's where we're at right now. I'll start with you, Senator Nile Blaney. I haven't heard much from Minister Charlie McConnell on this. My understanding is he might feel that this would be akin to the Justice Minister getting involved in elements of policing to a lot of people. That's simply not good enough. But this is costing Kilibegs millions upon millions that on the county as a whole and also lots and lots of jobs, hundreds of jobs at risk here. I understand this, Greg. And I'm certainly no expert in this area. But as I understand it, and I had a conversation with Minister McConnell in relation to it. Last year, remember, all fish were for the last six months of the year, all fish were being weighed on the payer side. And a resolution to that, that Minister McConnell negotiated with the Commission. And it's the Commission here that decides the position here. He negotiated a temporary plan. The temporary plan meant that 5% of landings in Kilibegs have to be weighed at the payer side. And the SFPA is, I suppose, like the Guard, they place this and they have to use independent weighing. So there's a big issue over there in relation to a machine that's on the payer and the SFPA not using that. And I think there's a lot of, I suppose, anger in relation to SFPA. The SFPA are doing what they've been told by the Commission. They have to implement the temporary plan. And this involves the 5%. So this is over the 5% of all landings that has to be weighed. If we overcome this, they get back to the factory with the other 95%. And on the back of that, there will be a permanent plan put in place again. So as I understand it, that's the crux of it. In relation to, as I understand it, the water content, there's issues over the weighing of fish in water. And I believe there's proposals put by the SFPA whereby a lorry came in with this water in its boxes before the fish are put into the to the lorry and weighed first and then put the fish into the boxes and establish that way. So it's a different way of weighing the fish. And there's arguments over how that's done. Yeah, but it sounds very bureaucratic for no reason. I mean that these fish are being landed in other European ports in the water under the same rules, unless Ireland's being given different instructions. There's a 2% reduction given when you do that process. The fishermen in the Kelly Bay eggs are arguing that 2%. There's not enough, as I understand it. But at the end of the day, there was no no plan last year for six months. Everything had to be weighed on the peer side. We're looking at 5% to be weighed at the moment. If we get through that process we then get to the position where we can try and put in place a longer term plan. And I suppose this is someone that's arisen because the EU didn't they had concerns in relation to the weighing of the fish. They didn't believe that they were given the full story in relation to what was being delivered at the Kelly Bay eggs. So this is the temporary plan of the backpack rig. We're talking about 5% of landings. And if we don't comply with that, it's not about the SPFA or I as officials. It's the commission to get to a long term plan. We have to get over this hurdle first. Dr. Kieran, you know, I mean, obviously I'm not sure how familiar you are with the fishing industry, but you know, I'm only I'm only learning from what I'm hearing from those involved and we can get into the ins and outs of it in the nitty gritties. But, you know, when you've got hundreds of people being sent home from work because there's no work for them. When you've got other companies that are afraid that they're going to go out of business because these boats aren't coming in, you know, and it is down to whether or not fish are weighed in water or not. You know, I mean, this is something that shouldn't be beyond us to resolve very, very quickly because Kelly Beggs is losing out millions. Absolutely, I suppose the height of my expertise is that I like a fish and chips. So I'm not sure I can add too much, but it just seems a bit bizarre that fish can't land in Kelly Beggs, but they can land in Derry and be driven over the border to factories in Kelly Beggs. You know, Kelly Beggs is a huge part of the fishing industry in the country. It's really important here for Donegal and, you know, if there's red tape like this, it should be sorted out. It shouldn't be dragging on like this kind of stuff about how it's weighed and where it's weighed. You know, if this isn't happening in other European countries, then it's just ridiculous. And, you know, heads need to be cracked together in a solution found to protect the industry, protect jobs and make sure that, you know, one of the biggest ports in the country and our major one here in Donegal is protected and the jobs are protected into the future as well. You know, it just doesn't make any sense to me listening to the story. Yeah, Professor O'Connor from you. Professor Pat O'Connor, are you there? Maybe there's a technical issue with the professor. Her line is not perfect today. OK, we do have one more quick break to take before we move on to some of your comments and our next topic. Actually, before I do, Professor O'Connor's back with me there. Professor, no, no, it's OK. And we understand that there's a technical element to this here. Just a quick word from you on the Kiddiebag situation. No, the professor has frozen. We'll get her back in in a second. The night till noon show is brought to you by Letter Kenny Credit Union, offering low-rate car loans with fast approval. Apply online at letterkennycu.ie or in office today. Call Brother's Tech on<PHONE_NUMBER>. Longcom has an exclusive beauty gift waiting just for you at McGee's Pharmacy in Letter Kenny. 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The government is due to receive a report on the process around the appointment next week. A quick comment from you, Senator Blaney. That's quite a significant intervention from the T-Shock on the face of it. I wasn't aware of it, but I welcome it, obviously. Absolutely welcome. And I think there's, like, every public position that there needs to be clarity and proper governance or how people are appointed. Yeah, all right. Dr. Kieran, do you want a quick word on that yourself? I think it probably shows that they were blindsided a bit by this and suddenly being dragged into a bad news story that they don't want. And, you know, I think it's reasonable that they have to reassess this now, looking at the public opinion that's out there on this. Yeah, OK. And the professor, as we know, from the top of the show, Professor Pat O'Connor, having technical issues. We hope she can read you on this before 10, because I do enjoy listening to what she has to say and taking on board her opinions. It's being discussed at council level and it's being discussed at national level, and that is the ongoing housing crisis. Obviously, we were in a housing crisis already. That's been exacerbated by the arrival of Ukrainian refugees. And I'm not saying it's their fault, by the way. I'm just saying we are doing what we're our international responsibility and our humanitarian responsibility. But of course, people need roofs over their heads. They need to see a GP as well and they need to, people need to go into school. So it's, there's much more beyond housing. Dr.  I don't know how much they cost, how practical that is, but it would be a difficult one at the moment, I think, to try and fix the pressure we have for housing in this country. Absolutely. I think we all feel for Ukrainian refugees at the moment. And, you know, I've had some personal experience of seeing them on their travels recently, a family with a small baby and coming with absolutely nothing. You know, as GP practices, we've all said we're willing to accept them. And I know lots of the practices in letter Kenny have been working hard to facilitate kind of urgent medical care for those newly arrived refugees. Housing is a much bigger issue. And obviously as a young man with a family, what I see is that we just don't seem to be building any houses. You know, I live in letter Kenny. There just doesn't seem to be any houses coming on the market, you know, whether that's social houses or private houses. And, you know, we're obviously going to be in a housing crisis if we're just not building any houses for people. You know, I have a sister living in Dublin who's been trying to get accommodation and the price that she has to pay for rent up there is just absolutely shocking far beyond what I have to pay for my mortgage every month. And it makes it very difficult then for people to get onto the housing ladder. So there's a huge issue. And to me, it comes down to we're just not building enough houses. You know, I grew up in Donegal where plenty of people lived in houses that were built by the County Council, whether that be on their own land or in towns and villages around the county. And again, that just doesn't seem to be happening. So we're not providing social houses for people and we're not providing private houses for people. And that then leaves us in a situation where there just isn't enough houses for people out there. And that is to buy. There's also obviously a huge issue in terms of rental property, the availability of it. Absolutely. And, you know, we all know what's coming down the road with Micah here in Donegal and the difficulties that's going to create. You know, I keep an eye on daft and look at what's coming up for rent. And there's very, very little. You know, I'm in the situation myself where I have a house with Micah and I don't know what's around the corner. And, you know, when that happens, where are we going to live? Because there's very little out there and available for people when that comes to pass. So, yeah, these difficult times ahead for the county, I think. Yeah, Senator Blaney, what do you think? I mean, obviously, you know, the housing minister will say that there is a plan, there's a plan to 2030 that they're hoping to deliver on that. I mean, that's what the government line is, of course. But I mean, you know, we know on the ground, it's a big county, but we know how many houses are being built and it's nowhere near close to the demand. Yeah, and I suppose we're coming from a situation, Greg, where there was very little activity up to very recently in relation to the building of houses. And we're also coming from a situation where, you know, traditionally over the decades when there was lots of houses built in this country, it was done with a very good housing department and every local authority that was lost. So we're rebuilding that now. The council are confident that building of obtaining 250 units per year plus within the next five to 10 years was in the county. And that'll be great to see. I think all that can be done at an arrector's level is being done. But in terms of that though, I mean, you talked about 250 houses. Let's just say the Micah scheme were to pick up pace and a thousand houses were okay for demolition and those within them wanting to progress that. You know, in the space of a couple of weeks, we could be, you know, we could be maxing out four years of house building. Now, I know these houses are not going to be, are not designed for temporary accommodation for those affected by Micah, but it's all the same pressure on the housing system. Do you have, I mean, we're talking about log cabin villages effectively. Do you think that's realistic? Personally, I can't imagine us ever seeing that anywhere in Donegal. You're hitting the point the next point I was gonna make in relation to the builders. We've lost the Brenton Gilles of this work. We've lost our builders of old. So part of the process is getting the new developers off tomorrow, the new builders. And some of the things we've been talking to people, the likes of the county manager, the Leo office and our brain is about getting a course. Like there's lots of courses for trades, but there's no course out there to create the developer builder off tomorrow with a proper know-how. And I think Donegal is loads of land that has the ability but just don't have the know-how or the confidence to take that next step. But you're talking maybe in the medium term, what about immediately though? Like what about the immediate need? What do we do? This is something that we hope that it'll be in place in the not too long distant future. Within a number of months, we'd like to see it up and running. It's in its infancy, but there's lots of steps that are happening behind the scenes to try and build the confidence again within that market and within that industry. Yeah, Kieran, I mean, I've got to put the question. Do you know what do we do in the immediate term? There's an immediate need out there. There literally is no rooms or going to be no rooms available for either at the Ukrainian refugees or those that were already trying to secure housing by the end of this month. Yeah, I think when it comes to the Ukrainian refugees, I suppose we have to recognise that that's an emergency issue and we can't expect to have perfect solutions for that, but we have to put some plans in place. But with that in mind either, Kieran, we can't expect this to be a three-month thing. You know, I mean, we're signing contracts with hotels for three months. I presume those hotels will want those rooms back for the summer market unless they're being very well. I mean, I think the county needs these rooms to be available as well. So we are having to look to deal with the Ukrainian refugees. I think we have to be looking, you know, through 2022 into 2023. Yeah, like I suppose in the short term, you'd have to think like lots of people are, lots of students are about to finish their colleges. There are lots of campus accommodation, things like that that could potentially be used in the very short term over the next number of months. But I think it's going to come down to, you know, halls, tinted villages. You know, this is an emergency situation. We just don't have the space and it's going to put a huge strain on us. Like other European countries, we see Poland taking in millions of refugees. This is our duty. We have to look after these people. They're in there out of need. There's no choice there. There's no them or us, but you know, I think the solutions for it are going to be far from perfect and I'd like to see the government looking ahead now and trying to make sure that we have some sort of accommodation available for people as they come over the next number of weeks. Yeah, and I suppose for the reasons that Kieran outlined there, now it doesn't have to be perfect. It has to be, you know, a safe refuge. It's not going to be a turnkey for everyone that requires one. We are going to be and already are looking at, you know, warehouses, tinted villages, et cetera. Yeah, the safety is of the utmost importance here, particularly where there's probably kids involved, Greg. But ultimately, not all these Ukraine immigrants want to come in here and sit in their hands. A lot of them are professionals. Some of them, if they want to stay here on a longer-term basis and maybe their homes aren't going for good, maybe they want to become an area citizen. And hopefully if they do, because there's a massive need, of course. Yeah, but there's a massive need for workers safe, for instance, in hospitality. I hope they're paid the proper wages because it could have a knock-on effect on sort of the wage structures in this country as well if they aren't properly rewarded for the work that they're doing. So there's no exploitation there because of course that wouldn't be fair on them, but it would also have a negative impact sort of on wage structures in that industry potentially across the country. Yeah, and that's one sector. A lot of these people come in here. Professionals, yeah. Professionals, absolutely. So it's important that there's a transition into society as quickly as possible. They don't all have to be housed long-term. All right, sorry, Nile. Thank you very much for joining us this morning. It's been nice having you on the program. I appreciate it. Okay, that's Senator Nile Blaney. And also, thank you very much for joining us. It's great to hear your views on a wide range of subjects. Kieran, thank you very much for joining us as well. Thanks very much, Greg. Okay, lovely to have you. Now it's all pleasure. Dr. Kieran O'Farrie there. And unfortunately, we just didn't hear as much of Professor Pat O'Connor as we would have liked. She's a professor of sociology and social policy at the Limerick University, but unfortunately, having connection issues on her end. But we did get to hear her views on Dr. Tony Hoolen's appointment and I think giving her job particularly informed. And just to recap on that news of emerging this morning, the T-Shock Mehill Martin has called for the second secondment or the switch. It's not a secondment, it's a temporary. For the transfer of Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Tony Hoolen from the Department of Health to Trinity College Dublin, he wants it paused pending an assessment. And the government's due to receive a report on the process around the appointment next week. 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Ireland West Airport, you're flying. Rather cold today with frost clearing this morning to leave a day of sunshine and showers. Many of the showers will be wintry in nature with hail sleet and some snow florees. Highest temperatures of six to nine degrees. Back with more after the news and obituary notes is... Live on air online and on the Highland Radio app, this is Highland Radio News. Good morning, it's 10 o'clock. Donald Kavanaugh at the Highland Radio Newsdesk. The Taoiseach has called for the secondment of Chief Medical Officer Dr. Tony Hullahan to Trinity College Dublin to be paused pending reassessment. The government is due to receive a report on the process around the appointment next week. There is some anger at cabinet about the move which would see Dr. Hullahan pay his existing salary by the state despite taking up a new job. Speaking in Helsinki, Mihal Martin said there has to be full transparency around the move. The president of Ukraine says scenes like those witnessed in Busha are happening elsewhere in the country. Vladimir Zelensky is warning the situation in a town called Borgyanka is significantly more dreadful than anything he's seen so far. Russia is denying its troops are responsible for dead civilian bodies lining the streets near Kiev. Skies Jason Farrell is in Odessa. People here speak Russian, they're sympathetic with Moscow, but that has changed and I think that's the problem for the Kremlin. Well, certainly from the people I've spoken to here, they don't believe what they're hearing from the Kremlin, they do believe that all crimes are being committed. A pre-draft public consultation on a new County Donegal Development Plan has commenced, people can have their say on the Council's new draft plan for 2024 to 2030 until Friday, June 30th. With more details, here's Mikaela Clark. The development plan will set out an overall strategy for the proper planning and sustainable development of Donegal from 2024 to 2030. It will focus on housing, economic development, urban regeneration, transport, water and wastewater, natural and built heritage, climate change, tourism, community and the Gilchaw. It will also include local area plans for Bunkrana and Bandorn and a settlement framework plan for Balibu, Fejstra and Orla, dealing exclusively with economic development opportunities, arising from the 10-T priority-rich improvement project. An issues and operations paper has been prepared for viewing online and in person at local public services centers. The public can submit formal submissions through a dedicated website at donegaldevplan.ie by emailing donegaldevplan at donegalcoco.ie or in writing to CDP Review, Central Planning Unit, Donegal County Council, County Heist, Lifford. Donegal County Council has been told the local development plan for Letterkenny is not ready to go to public consultation yet, as there are still some disagreements between members and officials. Speaking during a protracted debate at this week's council meeting, the head of planning, Liam Ward, said the Letterkenny 2040 document and the local plan should be interlinked, but some members were skeptical saying that could limit their power to change the plan in the future. Councilor Michael McBride says two major sticking points remain, one of them the need to develop south of the swilly, the other to do with two potential flood zones on which officials are suggesting developments might be limited. The local councillors feel that Flood Zone A and Flood Zone B should be kept as is that they'll be open for development. We feel it's too close to the town centre. That's beside the ATU. We feel it should be incorporated. And we have a few other issues with developments out on the left side, on the south side of the River Swilly. The councillors feel that we need a critical mass of houses out there to be able to get the services put in. We strongly feel there's a council that that's outside of the swilly needs development. At Onigol, Deputy believes that overall faith in the electoral system needs to be strengthened. Deputy Thomas Pringle was speaking in the dull during statements on an electoral reform bill, which is set to bring about a major modernisation about the electoral system, including making the voter registration process easier. Deputy Pringle says while much of the proposed reform is positive, there are issues to be addressed, particularly around the potential use of personal public services numbers in the electoral system. Overall, I welcome parts of this bill and I strongly welcome the establishment of the Electoral Commission. There is no doubt that this is overdue. I hope that it will contribute to a much fairer and accurate democratic elections in this country. However, in regards to democratic concerns, I seriously hope that my concerns outlined today are taken into account, especially in regards to the PPSN concerns, and my concerns around the definition of political purposes as well. As I said, this legislation is important and it's urgent, but it's absolutely vital that we get it right at this stage. And in Moncran, tributes have been paid to former Fianna Volk councillor Dermott McLaughlin following his death. Councillor McLaughlin served as a councillor on the Moncran Urban District Council and the Moncran Town Council, taking the role of chair on a number of occasions. The coherent look of Donegal County Council, councillor Jack Murray says he leaves behind an incredible legacy stringing over four decades. He leaves a lot of political life longer than I've actually been alive. So it just goes to show just how long he's been there. But as I say, even after that, he didn't step away, he didn't go into quiet retirement. He still was extremely active and he still spent so much of his time for the betterment of the local community.  With the forecast now, I'm met here and tell us it will be rather cold with frost clearing this morning. That'll leave a day of sunshine and showers. Many of those showers wintry in nature with hail, sleet and possibly some snow flurries. Highest temperature, 69 degrees Celsius, temperatures dropping to just two or three degrees in the showers, moderate to fresh north or northwest breezes, gusty around the showers. Tonight we'll see some wintry showers continue, but long dry periods will develop. It'll stay cold with frost and ice forming in places. Some fog patches as well with minimum temperatures of minus two to zero degrees in light northwest or variable winds. Any frost and fog patches will clear tomorrow morning, leaving a predominantly dry day. Long sunny spells during the morning, but cloud will build in places in the afternoon. A few light showers developing maximum temperatures tomorrow, seven to nine degrees Celsius with light northwest or variable winds. And that's how in video news. We're back with more at 11 o'clock. The obituary notices for this Friday morning, April the 8th. The death has taken place of Bernard, Bernie MacLynn, Main Street, Glantys. Bernie's remains were opposed at children's funeral home, Sunfield, or Dra this afternoon from half past 12 with removal at half past one going to his residence. Removal from his home on Sunday morning going to St. Connell's Church, Glentys for requiem mass at 11 o'clock with burial afterwards in the local cemetery. Family time tonight from nine o'clock until 12 noon tomorrow. Family time tomorrow night from nine o'clock until 10 a.m. on Sunday morning. Family flowers only please, donations and leave desired to Killy Biggs at Community Hospital, Care of James McGinnis and Sons at Funeral Directors. Funeral mass can be viewed live on churchservices.tv. The death has taken place of Nolene Fury, Neymaloi, Curran, Fintine, County, Donegal. Nolene will repose at her home from 11 o'clock this morning. Funeral mass at half past two on Sunday afternoon in St. Colm-Kill's Chapel, Fintine with burial afterwards in the adjoining church yard. The funeral mass can be viewed on the Chapeauble Colm-Kill-Nifa, Nolene-Finnia, Facebook page, rosary at nine o'clock nightly, house private to family and neighbours on the morning of the funeral. The death has occurred of Philip McHugh, 105 Scrahi Road, Castle Derg. Philip's remains will repose at his late home from 12 noon today. Puner from his late home on Sunday at 12 noon for mass at half past 12 in St. Joseph's Church Letcher Cran, interment afterwards in the adjoining church yard. The house is private to family and close friends. The death has occurred in London, England of Margaret McLaughlin, Rye, London and Isle of Doe, Clomane. Her remains will arrive at the Bridgen border this evening at approximately six o'clock going to her home in Isle of Doe. Puner from there on Monday morning at 20 past 10 going to St. Mary's Church, Clomane for requiem mass at 11 o'clock with interment afterwards in the new cemetery. Family flowers only please, and donations if desired to be in loving memory of Margaret and McLaughlin, Rye, fundraise at CancerResearchUK.org care of McPhilly Funal Directors. Family time from 10 p.m. until 11 a.m. Margaret's funeral mass can be viewed live on ChurchServices.tv. The death has taken place of Dermot McLaughlin, 54 Upper Main Street West End, Bunkrana. His remains are reposing at his late residence. Puner from there to more morning at quarter past nine going to St. Mary's Oratory for 10 o'clock requiem mass with burial afterwards in Cockhill Cemetery. The death has taken place of Anna Wallace, Nay Holmes, Glen Carr-Road Letter Kenny, and formerly Mahara Moore, Manor Cunningham, Andrew Mohull. Anna's remains will be reposing at the Eternal Light Chapel of Rest this evening from half past five until seven o'clock with removal directly afterwards to her home at Glen Carr Road, house private to family only please. Puner from there to more morning at 10 o'clock going to St. Columbus Church Dermot Hall for 11 o'clock requiem mass in term and afterwards in Cockhill Cemetery Letter Kenny. The death has taken place of Gretty McMonigal, Nay Hanrahan, Creaves Smith Letter Kenny, and formerly Fiegel County Clare. Gretty's remains are reposing at her late residence. 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Tony Hurlin says the caller was given the job for payback in backing all the bad decisions that the government took in the height of COVID. He has questions to answer. Tony Hurlin should be out on his ear. Never mind being given a nice job. Yet all these women suffer because of him or it's a disgrace, they say. I'm not sure it's because of him, but I understand where you're coming from. Shocking that such a post is created without proper process. He was given the post without public knowing. And on top of that, also 3,000, 30,000 more transition should be paying his salary, not the taxpayer. Every month there's a scandal, they say. Another, Greg, good morning. Tony Hurlin should be reprimanded for his attempted, well, I can't read that just in its entirety there because I just have to check the legal elements of that. What an incredible job Ukrainian troops are doing. Not only have they forced the Russians to retreat, but also, as the Kremlin now acknowledges, inflicted significant losses on its army. Furthermore, isn't it wonderful there are no reports of Ukrainian soldiers killed in action and the Kremlin put this down to this per body armor which Simon Coveney sent from the Irish army, surplus stores, let's hear the truth and what's going on in Ukraine, please. I've seen the Ukrainian death tolls have been announced of their soldiers. I'm not sure what you're referencing there. Although, I think you must, I think concede that things haven't gone to plan for Putin. I mean, he has tried to take care of, he wanted to march through the streets of Kiev in May and is that to give in and head east. On the Tony Hulhan story, is this another zappone job for Tony Hulhan? Another one about the cervical smear tests where women died. That is in history as well. Another, it was the people of Ireland who helped fight against this pandemic by sacrificing our social life in staying in our homes in lockdown, wearing our masks and waiting and taking the vaccines required against the COVID-19 regarding Tony Hulhan's promotion. Who's running the country anyway? Exactly, you know, there's far more praise of people like Dr. Hulhan than there are of the public. Do you remember we were just described as, what we were doing up here were being reckless. The dogs in the street knew what was going on up here. We had given so much and that's how we were being described at press conferences. Shocking. Excuse me. What did Tony Hulhan do in the last two years? He got plenty of help. It just wasn't him. What did he do before that? Or not, or can we not remember? It's all jobs for the boys. All politicians do the same, believes that caller there. Another caller says just the same justification for the sapone stroke. She's very qualified, very qualified. They were supposed to have learned lessons after sapone but obviously didn't. An excellent discussion. Retone Hulhan, he also was too slow to accept the importance of home antigen tests. Professor O'Connor hitting the nail on the head and how much has been allocated towards cybersecurity and IT upgrading considering the hacking issue outside of his remit of course, but I take your point. Read the move of Tony Hulhan, even though the whole appointment seems flawed, the transfer looks like an attempt to resolve a management conflict issue at senior level within the HSC in reference to your comment regarding possible teaching experience. Professors at university are not teachers. They facilitate a culture where the students are encouraged to learn through exploration, debate and formation of fact, based opinions. University in Ireland primarily provide learning-based, not teaching-based education, hence the difference between universities and schools. Of course, I've never went to college. I just thought there are lecturers which are conducted by professors and I thought to help be qualified for that job, there was a certain amount of miles had to be up on the clock in that regard or at least some experience. Clearly I know nothing. Nile Blaney used word immigrants for the poor Ukraine. We were told previously there were refugees from war and as I understand want to return home after Putin leaves, we're offering permanent homes and yet we have yet to sort out our poor Micah hit families. Listen, I'm not sure the definition of immigrants or refugees in the context he used. I'm not sure we're offering permanent homes either. We're talking about tents here and warehouses to house these individuals fleeing conflict. Greg, if this appointment was made by the general secretary of the Department of Health, then he should not be sacked. Yeah, well, we'll see. Read the housing of Ukrainian refugees, what happened to all the generous Irish who only a few weeks ago were falling over each other to open their doors to these poor people. Virtual signaling at its worst, we think, no, it's not like that, right? What it is is, and there are people right now in Ireland, if they've any spare money, they're contributing to try and help Ukrainian people. They are hosting Ukrainian people in their homes or they're volunteering in Kili bags or Bondor wherever the Ukrainians are to help them. That's what they're doing. There is a group of people that don't want the Ukrainians here and want Irish first and all that kind of stuff. They're not the same people. They're not people that have changed their opinion and they're probably in the minority. The work to help and support and the care of Ukrainians is still ongoing by an awful lot of people in this country. But as I say, there are a group who express a different point of view to try and suggest that the same people that in some way they have changed their mind is not accurate. Turned in this morning, just catching the end of the conversation. What good is using student accommodation for a short-term fix? The students will need it back and where do we magic up accommodation for the Ukrainians when the students need a roof over their heads to when they continue their studies in September? Well, it would be until September. It's the same as the hotels. I presume hotel owners want their rooms back in the summer. Much more money to be made in the summer and it's a short-term deal. That's what I was trying to say. This is a medium 2022 into 2023 issue. I don't know how they're going to resolve it. So what the senator is really saying is that all the educated people at the top can't weigh fish. They're a smart bunch. That's all I have to say. We've another statement in from the SFPR. 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Now it was with great sadness that we learned of the passing of former Finaful councillor, Dermot McLaughlin. He served as a councillor in the Bunkrana Urban District Council, taking on the role of chair on numerous occasions.  Minister Charlie McCunlough is the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Marine.  Yeah, good morning, Greg. And I think you're absolutely right. And I just want to express my condolences to all of Dermot's family, to his remaining sister, Kay, who lives in Surrey, and to his many nieces and nephews. And while the next, while today, and he's leaving very tomorrow, is the time everybody will be reflecting on the person that we've lost and how fondly and what esteem he was held in by all. It'll also be very much a celebration of the life that was Dermot McLaughlin's because it was a life very, very well lived, indeed, and he was a man who made an immense contribution to his locality, to his community and to his county and to the many causes in which he was involved. And he was a fine gentleman, a very intelligent man, and a man who carried himself with great dignity and everything that he did. And as you mentioned there, he was a long-serving, clean-of-all councillor from the 70s, right up to when the council was, the council finished in 2009 on Bunkana Town Council and Bunkana Urban Council. That was only one aspect of Dermot's life while he was a tremendous public representative through that and a really committed member and passionate member of Fina Falls.  Yeah, and in terms of his interest in nature and wildlife, interest in that, maybe even before it was fashionable to be so, but also in the development of, in his show, you know, not just in elected politics, but in community involvement. Very much so. And I suppose what was unique and even more unique about Dermot now than over his lifetime was the fact that he lived in the centre in Main Street in Mekana and he grew up in Main Street in Mekana and he's one, right to his death now, one of the very few remaining residents on the Main Street and him and his family and he would have lived with his two sisters, Joan and Masiya, and they would have had a sweet shop at the bottom of their house on the Main Street, which was very well known and very fondly regarded by everyone in Mekana, known as Masiya's. And so by virtue of where he lived and how he grew up, he was right at the centre of the community. But then in terms of how he lived his life and the contribution they made and how he was generous with his time and his talents, he was right at the centre of the community as well. And as you said there, Greg, in relation to the job that he had throughout his life, he worked for the National Parks and Wildlife Services, a wildlife ranger. And it was a job that was immensely, it really was, and I often said to him, Dermot, you had the perfect job and you couldn't have asked for a better job for the interest that you had and what you wanted to do and he always would have said to me, absolutely, so it never felt like a day's work because he was so passionate about what he did and so committed to it. And that was in his day job but also that passion he had in his day job very much transmitted into his voluntary commitments as well outside his day job because his passion for wildlife and for nature very much transmitted into the many voluntary organisations which he'd been involved with as well. And there wouldn't have been a wildlife organisation in the peninsula of Anishone or indeed in the county that Dermot wouldn't have played a role in or made a contribution to and he would have been very involved in working with others in terms of getting into wildfire reserves, for example, up and running and moving. He would have been very involved both through his work and otherwise with Glen Bay and the Golden Eagle project there and also through many, many, many different projects and divers that were nature and nature had a nature aspect or a wildlife aspect right throughout Anishone. And in my experience and by all accounts, fundamentally, a gentleman. An absolute gentleman. Always somebody who always had a very dignified demeanour and always could communicate how he thought but always tremendously respectful to all around him and real an absolute gentleman but a really solid and strong person at that. But a gentleman and everything that he did. And just to mention in recent years after his retirement, he would have been chairman of any shown development leadership as well for a number of years, up into very recently, up into the last few years and which would have been, that's obviously what we're seeing, leader funding in the county and something that would have taken quite a bit of work and with his brother, Danny, would have played a pivotal role in terms of Dunry Fort in terms of its development working with John McArthur and all of the David McGee and all of the team there in terms of, and I know he was very proud to see how that has developed in recent years and the funding that was allocated to that recently himself and Danny, his brother would have put a massive effort into that in terms of seeing the vision with the others and the committee around that and driving that on to the potential that it has today. He was a man, he lived a very, didn't smoke, didn't drink, but enjoyed the simple things of life, enjoyed the nature and everything that was happening. Also very much into history and would have had many history books and very well read and tremendous interest in all things that would have happened in terms of the county and indeed the wider national history as well. Yeah, and once you say it's about a celebration, what a, to be able to leave so much behind you too, we'd all be blessed if we were able to contribute so much and to be remembered so fondly at a time of passing. Certainly, and he's going to be missed by all and McRan and indeed any shown and in the organizations he was involved with but also will be celebrated and formally remembered for all the time to come as well. So I just, best wishes to his remaining sister Kay and all of his nieces and nephews who were dearly missing. Yeah, and may he rest his peace. The funeral is tomorrow morning at 9.15 a.m., going to, from his home, going to St. Mary's oratory for 10 o'clock requiem mass with burial afterwards in Cockhill Cemetery and may he rest in peace. And we appreciate minister you, accepting our invite to pay tribute to him. But before I let you go, if you don't mind, there's just one other topic and I'm sorry to put this on to you. I know you came on to pay tribute, but I think people might understand the controversy in Kili Begs at the moment. We've heard from businesses who are incredibly worried about their future. We've had workers sent home because there's no fish for them to process. We're getting a lot of word-heavy press releases from the SFPA, but those within this industry are really worried about the financial and jobs impact of some of the administration in Kili Begs. What can you say as Minister for the Marine? Yeah, well, I give a summary to an interview that I did on this on Wednesday, but what I might say, Greg, is I'd be happy to come on and discuss it with you further on Monday morning with just in terms of a memory to Dermot this morning. I might just leave with that. Folly, respect that and I appreciate that. If you get a Monday, I'd be very happy to do it. We'll speak to you on Monday and I appreciate that indeed. Okay, thank you very much indeed. That is Minister Charlie McConn-Logue. That's his choice and I fully understand that, by the way, in terms of his respect to Dermot McLaughlin and he has committed to join us on Monday. It'll be after that meeting on Saturday as well, where we'll be able to discuss the issue further. Right, EO, let's take up a piece of music. But before we do, you've got about half an hour now to enter our big holiday draw, big holiday competition. Just to repeat for you, it's a 10,000-year holiday voucher. 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Um, and that led me going to the ADHD Ireland website. And they have a questionnaire on there and I answered yes to virtually everything. So that was pointed to, you know, heavily having ADHD. Um, I then did the same questionnaire with my parents in regards to me when I was younger, but as an adult as well. And I didn't tell them what it was because I didn't want to influence them one way or the other. And again, they said, yeah, those all apply to you. So then it looked like that's what I had. So... And can I ask just in relation to that, Paul? Did it feel like the penny dropped? Did things start to make sense? Was it... Did it lift the weight off your shoulders or explain stuff? Or what was your emotion when it clicked? Yeah, so it explained everything in my life up until that point, if I'm being honest, it just... And a relief, especially when I got the diagnosis, because when I was going for the assessment, I was kind of worried that, what if I don't have ADHD? Then how do I explain everything that's been going on in my life? And so, yeah, it was a relief at all. So there's a sense of... And this is quite common, apparently, that there's almost a sense of mourning. Mourning that had I had the diagnosis, that I would have achieved the things that I wanted to have done. I hear that all the time in terms of how schooling could have been different or other choices could have made a difference. So I talked about it, the penny dropped, but it kind of dropped in and remind you of, if we'd known earlier, what are the paths, mate, I have taken? Yeah, I get that completely, Paul. So in terms of things you've learned about maybe the system, the treatment of ADHD since your diagnosis, Paul? Yeah, I mean, I've... So a big issue for me, Greg, has always been in employment.  But even armed with those sort of qualifications, and I have a number of other qualifications, but I still would struggle to find the work that I wanted. And the number of things would come into play there. But, you know, things like application forms, I find difficult. And then when you're applying for work, you might have to go through a lot. So I kind of want to get the diagnosis. I've reached out to a number of organisations looking for help. And I have to say, some of them have been quite helpful, especially with the information. But then again, there's a process of form filling and what have you. But one particular organisation, I don't want to name an organisation because people might hone in on the individual, and it's not the individual. It's a general kind of stigma, I feel like, that I was told to not disclose my diagnosis, not disclose that I had ADHD in applying for jobs. Not told, not to, but it was suggested, I guess, would be a thing. And that probably was well-intentioned, but it kind of pulls the curtain back a little bit as to the attitude towards people with ADHD, I wonder. Yes, absolutely. And I don't think that the necessarily representation of the person, they were just who told me that. Yes, I get you. They were saying, well, this is what you can expect. Did you tease that out further as to why, if you declared the diagnosis in advance, it would work against you, Paul? Sorry, what was that, Greg? Did they sort of say why, if you declared you had ADHD, how that might work against you? Was it just because of people might go, oh, ADHD will go for another candidate? Or was it sort of? Yeah, almost like that. It's almost that if it came down between a person with ADHD and a person without, that it might be the person without. And you're the stigma that's attached. And so, I mean, particularly in terms of the nature of the type of jobs that I'm looking to apply for now, it would be in that sort of realm of caring for people with learning disabilities and mental health. And I'd also have issues with mental health as anxiety would be something that's quite common. Yeah, but I would have thought that would have been a strength that you could have more empathy that obviously, you know, that the book learned stuff, but you've the life learned stuff. I would have thought that would be a big advantage, Paul, in your ambition to work with people with a disability, because you could truly understand, you could probably be more empathetic, because I'm not saying what you have is a disability, by the way. I don't want you to think that's what I'm saying. But you would understand that you can have something that makes things more challenging. Yeah, I would agree. And I think that's what's kind of having me lean more toward that type of work. And I have done in the past, my background would be in sort of community arts and education, and I would have encountered I would have encountered people who would have maybe not ADHD, but certainly who are sort of atypical neurodivergent. And there was an empathy that without me even knowing that I myself was neurodivergent, but there was an empathy there and a connection. And that's what's kind of, and in fact, many years ago, now 20 years ago, I would have worked in mental health care in England. So again, that empathy was coming through, even though I had no diagnosis myself at that stage. You could really, there was something there that made you more, I get you Paul. So, and we appreciate you speaking out. What do you hope to achieve by it? Is it to highlight that there is an underlying, or maybe it's not underlying stigma around people with ADHD that could be a barrier to getting you into a perfect job for you? Or what are you hoping to change by, if anything of course, Paul, by speaking out? Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a change in attitude, an attitude to get more of an understanding, because I think through sort of TV and film, we probably have this idea of ADHD, the Bart Simpson, Dennis the Menace type characters, and there's a lot more to it than that. And I suppose we are getting better with understanding about mental health conditions now. So I think things like ADHD, although not necessarily a mental health issue as such, but to have an understanding of it from organisations as well as individuals. And if you come in to do an interview as well, Paul, and you say you want to declare your diagnoses, that we need to be thinking openly enough to go, is that an advantage, or does it matter, rather than it being, oh, okay, well, thank you very much for coming in, Paul. We'll be in contact, and it going straight on the no pile. You know, is that part of it as well, Paul, that it's not something we judge people on, give people the opportunities, get them into work, and judge them on that? Yeah, I mean, I think so. But I think as well is that for me, I think it's important to disclose, because one, because, you know, it's not something I want to be ashamed of or hide away. It's not a thing I have, it's who I am. So there's that. And also, it would be in my benefit and an employer's benefit to know, because we can make allowances for the ADHD, and as well as the fact that ADHD, that there are things that we might struggle with, there are strengths, you know, people who have ADHD have strengths like the empathy we talked about as well. So, you know, and there's also obstacles to, in applying for certain, not just jobs, but other resources, let's say. You know, things like, it's very difficult for people with ADHD to do one form, let alone when they're applying for various things, to do a number of them, we get overwhelmed very easily. And there's a tendency to forget, we need to have that deadline. Just in relation to that, if you don't mind asking Paul, it's a bit of a digression. Would that leave the likes of the census form challenging? And I wonder if it would. Is there an understanding of that? I'm not sure if you or the person might fill out that form, Paul. I'm not asking you that as such. But I just wonder, do we actually consider that enough? We just presume these forms are handed out and everyone is, you know, equally capable of filling them out? I think there's a presumption that we can, and with our own canon, the census form, something like that, it has to be left for the last minute because to get the certain chemicals in our brain, in everyone's brain that will give us the motivation to say do a form, it seems to be something that's menial and maybe boring. But with ADHD, we don't have that. And that's why we need the deadline for those, you know, the adrenaline and for the dopamine to kick in. Wow, interesting. That's really interesting, Paul, yeah. To get it done. So, like, leaving everything for the last minute is a very common thing. But you're good at that. You're good at that. See that as a positive, not as a negative. I'm good with deadlines. Yeah, I'm good with deadlines, yeah. But only at the last minute. Okay. Listen, Paul, I'm learning all the time I'm listening and maybe we can speak again in the future. I think it's a really important point that you made and maybe even something that might be worthy of a panel discussion as well. But as I say, even in our short conversation, I feel like I've learned something I'm sure we all have and I appreciate your time. And I hope those that make decisions, those that would be hearing someone say, I'm applying for this job, and by the way, I have an ADHD diagnosis and I'm on meds or whatever it might be, that there's an understanding there and maybe it can be seen as an advantage in some positions and a bit more understanding and let's get rid of the stigma. Paul, listen, brilliant stuff. Great, fair play to you. Thank you very much. Lovely to chat to you, okay? And hopefully our paths cross again. Okay, we'll be back. Don't go anywhere. Coming up after 11, we have Michael and Fnuller there in studio talking about what they've been watching. What have you been watching, by the way? It could be theatre. Maybe you went and seen a good band and talked to us about music as well. We can talk about anything. It's really just a pot to one side, all the serious stuff. And just for the last hour of the week, I just have a chat about whatever. We don't really plan what we're talking about, by the way, so any input is greatly appreciated. What you're watching on TV. If you're not watching TV, what else are you doing to entertain yourself? Tell us how your life changes, maybe in the brighter evenings. Anything. The Soaps, by the way. The Takeaway Show. This is not, we're not all highfaluting here, by the way. And I'm not saying for a second that Soaps aren't that, but you know what I mean? I think when people talk about TV, they don't really, we'll talk about The Soaps, but they might not think they can talk about it but do anything. Saturday Night Takeaway, whatever it might be. Naked Attraction, anything that you want to talk about or you have a comment about. 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Census 2022, be counted. OK, OK, right, now, unless you're holding, by the way, the lines are closed, they're not closed as such, but the lines are closed for the holiday competition if you wanted to be in for the 1,000 euro cash prize at 11.30 and on John's show, right?  It's not to be sniffed out, 15,000 for next year. Right, so you heard the jingle, that can mean only two things, Finula and Michael. Good morning to the pair of you. Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for coming in. Good morning. Great to be here. Microphone worked first time too, it's fantastic. I know. It's a science. It's a good omen. Do you think, as I said to Finula yesterday, there's a glow. There's a spring in the step, Finula. In my step? Whose? I know. It's just a gold word. It was until this morning and then it was freezing. I was getting nothing more and now it's April, so my daughter's wedding is coming up at the end of the month. When I get down to the nitty-gritty now. It's very exciting. It is very exciting. Are you nervous? About my daughter's wedding? Yes, petrified. Yes, yes. The closer it gets, the calmer she gets and the more wrapped up I get. At this stage, I think I'm a little bit nervous about it myself. I am getting some deflective nervousness. It's seeping every week. I'm like, oh my God. I'm also concerned about, what am I going to talk to people about after it? It seems like all they ever talk about. Bring your list. I mean, you know, I'd say it's the part of a journey. I'm sure there'll be lots of stuff you can talk about afterwards. No, it's a lovely thing. It's three weeks away now, isn't it? It is, it is. Hopefully, the weather turns around a wee bit. Thursday the 29th, I expect the whole of Dunny God to put out the child to brag. Right. Not just the one. Lots of them. No, we need lots of them because we need the good weather to go down as far as Galway because the wedding is in Galway. Excellent. OK, listen, lots of stuff on the square box or the whatever shape it is now, or the big screen. But we'll start on the stage, will we? Because both of you saw something on the stage. I think Fnula wants to explain this one. Yes, Fnula wants to explain it, yeah. We went to see Tarry Flynn because I'm a little bit obsessed with Darren Monaghan. If you remember, I was talking about him before. He's one of the Druid players. And he's also... So he's been in a lot of different plays that the Druid has done. But it was also in that movie, remember I was saying Redemption, that was on Netflix, the Irish movie, that was on Netflix, and then he was on this. And Mike very kindly came along with me and I kind of felt like I need to possibly apologize to him. I was going to say something you've been reduced to now. Just in case he was there. Because I think there's a barring order in places there. Not quite. It's getting close to him, but it's not quite. We're on the brink of it. But yeah, I was leaving it to Michael to explain this one because I didn't really understand what was going on. That's usually commonplace for me. Wonderful, this is great. This would be a great time for my microphone to fail. Tarry Flynn was originally a novel. It's Patrick Kavana's novel. It's been adapted twice for the stage. I have no idea. It's a great adaptation that this company have taken. On the surface is a very straightforward story of a young bachelor lad living in the 1930s in rural Ireland. And he takes these flights of fancy. You compared him to Walter Mitty during the show. He takes these flights of fancy. He fancies this girl, but of course he doesn't do anything about it. And then there's another girl in the community that he kind of gets with, but he doesn't really like her. So that's kind of the bones of it. But it's a surreal kind of show. There's a musical number in the middle. And there's a visually wonderful moment where a major character comes on stage. But they're in silhouette. We never see them. It's all done with backlighting. And their dialogue is actually coming over the loudspeakers. So it creates this really ominous. It's amazing. My only question for a lot of these things was why I wasn't quite getting the storytelling aspect of it, but the spectacle was amazing. The performances were amazing. I personally thought maybe the story got a little bit lost in the shuffle. That's just my take on it. But as a night of theatre, it's an evening of theatre. It was very enjoyable. How long does it last, something like this? Just a couple of hours. With Start of the Asian, it finishes like half, ten, or a quarter of a second or something. Yeah, yeah. So it's a full evening of theatre. You wouldn't have said it was... Is it because they're live that, you know... The immediacy. Yeah, but also, do you know how we judge a TV program in our front room when something's live is the more, you know, in other words, so maybe you talked about the storyline, but then there's so much more to it than there's more. I was going to say exactly the same thing. The thing about going to the theatre is you'd have to go far to have a bad night out. Because there's always something. You know what I mean? Be it that, you know, I've been to plays and I was like, I really had no idea what was going on there. But oh my God, the stage was awesome or they did something with the stage or the acting was amazing. You get to see that creativity live, and also you get to see other fellow human beings putting it all on the line. Yeah, absolutely. Well, 100% and there's something about that.  Multiple parts, yeah. And you're like, I don't know how they kept... Like they were going off to the side and putting on a jacket or putting on a hat. They also played, as one of the characters, they played farm animals. Yes. They were ducks, they were chickens, they were dogs. So this is where we're getting into the surreal element. Yeah, it was just all... I mean, the... It was love scenes, love scenes between cattle and stuff like that. They were done, you know, to be very funny and were very funny. As we were saying, don't bring your granny. No, don't bring your granny. It was a big love scene between, yeah, a bull and a cow. But... Who were humans? Yes. Were humans pretending to be a bull and a cow. But it was all done in a sort of like a ballet, and it was all done... It was spectacular. It was. They were actually selling tickets here now. It was very good, and I have to say, it was great. It's lovely to be back in the theatre and I have to say, I felt they did not get as big a crowd as it deserved. Yeah. It really was, and it was disappointing to see... It certainly was. And I know people are nervous about it, but I have to say, I find the theatre is very safe. Completely. If the reason people aren't going back is because they're nervous, they shouldn't be. They should have a conversation with the theatre themselves. You know, there's places you can sit away from other people if you're nervous about sitting away from people. Some people wore masks, some people didn't. It's very much up to yourself, you know what I mean? It's how you feel. I got you. And I definitely... That was the thing I thought, because no matter how much I didn't understand it, it definitely wasn't enjoyable, and you'd be talking about it. We were chatting about it for ages afterwards. We chatted about it for ages. We've talked about this before. This is not any reflection on the marketing department, by the way, but it's word of mouth, maybe now is how they'll start selling tickets, because how do you sort of sell this that makes people go, I really need to see this? Yeah. What is, you get a cohort to go, and then they tell other people, and they then go, right... The word of mouth is very important for all of these things. But it can be so pity then when things aren't here for a long run. Not enough, yeah. Because often new stuff that comes in is only here for a day or two, or it's mid-week or whatever.  Oh, yeah, if this was like a seven-night show, which isn't practical, but I would be telling friends of mine, go and see this, and I would say the same thing to them. I'd say, look, I didn't quite get something, but there's a lot here to like, and I would do it so that I could hear their feedback. Yeah. They need to start sending use to, to wherever it was before. Yeah. Oh, that would be awesome. And then you just can talk about it before it arrives. I will definitely... We'll have to give Em Green on a call and ask them to put their marketing budget in. That's not the stupidest thing Greg has ever said. And you've got a big-back catalogue. But no, I agree. I think that's the thing. I think he said, when people talk about it, it makes people go, oh, I'm sorry to see that, because I could mean already now. And Em Green had some amazing stuff coming and people should be looking out for it. They've got some comedians, some musicians. I know you had, or there was talk that Frank McNamara, I don't know, has he been on yet? Oh, yeah. That's coming, yeah, yeah. That he's coming at some point and there's a couple of comedians and different things like that that are coming. And then in August, I think it is, they are doing... What's the prime pre-preview? The next one is coming. No, the big one in August that I was saying we must go to the prime pre-preview. You did, you said that to me. See, I think we're lucky in that we have the likes of Em Green and we have the baller, of course. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, where these shows and these artists come here, you know, there was a time whereby you'd have to go to your... You have to travel. Maybe to a lesser extent, Derry, or whatever, but they're coming up here onto our own back doors. Yeah, big shows, yeah. So, I mean, the whole night, I don't think the plane itself has any point in rating it unless he's wanted to, but I mean, it's the thumbs up for the whole night. Oh, thumbs up, yeah. I just, like I said, I think it's very difficult to have a bad night at the theatre because either you end up being in awe of the individuals on stage because, I mean, the fact that they can then remember all this stuff, I know Michael does this himself and the dramaturgies and that, but the fact that people can remember all this, that they can remember where it stands... She's fascinated that people have now learned the craft of learning lines and going on stage. I'm always fascinated by it. On stage, I just think it's so amazing. Like, this is like, you sound to me like the people that clap when the plane lands. Oh no, never. Well, you sound like the same because as I said, I think I've said it before in this program, my only expectation I have when I get on the plane is that it will land safely. It's not something to applaud. I only get on it purely based on the fact that I presume it's going to be able to land safely. You should be past the point now whereby you're impressed by people learning words and saying them on a stage. It's just so amazing though. That's the whole concept of the basic fundamental acting. But to learn loads of different parts and to be able to switch in and out of it. There was a guy on it who was playing like, a woman that he was playing the priest, then he was the bull. He was brilliant. But they were all working. They were all working. He was flicking in between all these different characters and stuff. Mary Beaconey, Beanconey's watching us on Facebook. She's just finished watching Netflix series called Peace of Her. And she loved it. And it's on your list. Before we take a break and get to that kind of stuff, none of you have watched Death on the Nile on Disney now? No. I don't think I will. I don't think it's pulling me in at