This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you, including Pepper Geesey, Carmine Bailey, Vince Power and new patron, Adam, everybody. Welcome in, Adam. Yay. On this episode of DBS, is there anything left to talk about besides Sam Altman being fired by open AI? Yes. The CEO of Cruz quit and there's a connection there to open AI. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 20th, 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt from the Atlanta area. I am Nika Modford and I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. We're just going to put this out right here at the top of the show. By the time you listen to this, everything in open AI may have changed or nothing may have happened. We don't we don't know. Do we, Nika? It's the gamble. Yeah, it's it's we're going to give you our best analysis on what has actually happened that that won't change the past probably probably won't change and and and give you our best estimate of what's happening based on what we know at the time of recording. But this is definitely a moving situation. Nevertheless, we shall start with the quick ones. This just out of the Epic versus Google trial, Google's head of global partnerships, Don Harrison confirmed that Spotify paid nothing zero percent commission when users chose to buy subscriptions through Spotify's own system and four percent if they used Google system, which is much less than the standard 15 percent that other app store developers pay. Harrison said that Spotify's popularity was enough to justify a bespoke deal and then Google confirmed that a small number of developers that invest more directly in Android and Google Play have different service fees than other developers. Google did not name who those other developers are. In his power on newsletter, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says Apple's Vision Pro headset may not get a January launch after all. Gurman says the Vision Pro is likely to launch in March now. Gurman also says Apple is still working out some of the little kinks and details with final device testing reportedly underway. Also, the Vision Pro is set for a US launch with the gradual rollout to other countries afterward. Also, Gurman reports that Apple is working on a cellular modem to integrate into its system on a chip with the aim of offering Mac Loptops with cellular data capabilities. I like that one. I hope that one ends up panning out. Yeah. If you heard us talk last week about nothing being able to support iMessage, well, that's not happening anymore. Nothing has pulled nothing chats from the Google Play store. The company had announced Thursday that the app, which is powered by Sunbird, would let nothing users receive Apple iMessages on their nothing Android phones. The Sunbird works by logging you into a Mac mini in the cloud or something similar and then forwarding your messages to the app. However, critics noted that this provided a security risk because you're putting your log in in someone else's machine. And nine to five Google even did a tear down or noted that there was a tear down indicating that the end to end encryption was an end to end. It didn't cover the entire journey that left some messages available in plain text. Nothing stated on X that it was, quote, delaying the launch until further notice to work with Sunbird to fix several bugs. I wonder what happened to call them to pull this. Tinder is redesigning its profile page to appeal to Gen Z users. Isn't everybody features include conversation starters, quizzes, tags and a dark mode. Conversation starter prompts include the key to my heart is first item on my bucket list is and to truth and a lie. Tech crunch notes competing app hinge. It uses similar prompts. Why I ran an article Saturday that was just this past Saturday saying that Gen Z users have been leaving the dating apps and Axios generation lab holes found that 79 percent of college students do not use dating apps regularly to me, which is no surprise. Oh, yeah, that's a lucrative market and growing market that they need to recapture. Finally, scientists at Lanzhou University in China published a paper in the journal Science Advances describing a prototype for an implantable wireless energy device. The biodegradable device can receive and store energy to power bioelectric systems, things like sensors for monitoring your health or small devices that deliver drugs in particular amounts. The devices improve on existing implantable power sources that are usually single use. These can be used multiple times over a longer period of time. The new device uses a magnesium coil to charge when a power transmitter is placed on the skin above the implant and then the power is stored in a module made of zinc supercapacitors. The amounts of zinc and magnesium are below the daily intake recommendations for people. So when they get reabsorbed in the body, they're just used as nutrients. Tests in rats worked for up to 10 days and the device fully dissolved into their bodies within two months. All right, let's let's talk about the other firing. Sam Altman, leaving open AI, I wasn't the only drama at the top of an AI related company this weekend. Kyle Vogt, V-O-G-T, resigned as CEO of Cruise. Cruise is the company he co-founded and then sold to GM. He had been working in charge of Cruise under GM. His co-founder, Dan Kahn, has also resigned. Executive Vice President of Engineering at Cruise, Mo Elshinawi, will take over as president and CEO or CTO. Cruise had, as you know, suffered numerous setbacks recently. We've talked about a lot of these on the show. Last month, the California Department of Motor Vehicles suspended its permit so that it was not allowed to operate autonomous vehicles without safety drivers. The DMV said Cruise withheld seven seconds of video regarding an October 2 incident where a pedestrian was struck by a cruise vehicle. Cruise said that they provided all the video that was requested. There's a little dispute about that. But in addition to losing that permit to operate without safety drivers, Cruise paused all of its driverless testing, whether it was in California or not. Also of note, Kyle Vogt co-founded Twitch along with Emmett Shear. And we're going to get to that in a little bit. But Emmett Shear is the new CEO of Open AI, and he just took that job today. So it could be just coincidence, I don't know. But but, Nika, explain your connection to this story and what you think of it. So I write when the cruise was being bought by General Motors and onboard it. I actually worked with some of the cruise folks to at that time I was doing back in development for HR systems. So getting those folks, you know, integrated into our system, you know, knowing the tech stack as related to getting them onto HR.  Yeah, it was just joint venture. And at the time, that was really something surprising because usually Jim is a huge company, they buy things, they envelope them and they keep going. But this was more of a joint venture, more of a partnership. And it wasn't a full buy. So, you know, that's my kind of little disclaimer that I do have, you know, some level of inner working knowledge from crews and the relationship to GM based on my, you know, past employment. I think this is an interesting concept, the way that this kind of all played out. It seems as if it was something that was likely already in the works and possibly kind of moved up. But I think with the issues that have been going on with crews, it to me, it was the obvious next step because there are some significant issues while significant progress has been made from what the last eight, seven or so years ago. When crews really came onto the scene, it's still a long way to go and it's still significant issues.   And I think it's starting with the exit of the the founder and CEO as well as the other co-founder as well. Because, again, as you noted, and I know that you guys have been talking about it, the the issues, particularly in California, are quite significant. Yeah. And in contrast to the other story, we're going to talk about here in a second, the public messages from vote and from GM were all very polite. They were all very nice. They were all vote sent a note to the employees saying like, you guys are great. Hang in there. Keep fighting. You're going to do this. There was nothing. There was no sense of bitterness at all. And likewise, the GM press release was very complimentary and said, he has done such a great job for us and brought us such a long way. We wish him nothing but the best in the future. This feels more like vote probably wanted to go. And there was there were so many things that they could lay at his feet with these recent missteps that that for investors, it was going to be a good look anyway. So, yeah, whether there are hard feelings, sometimes there are hard feelings behind the scenes and these play out nicely in the press. That may be, but it doesn't it doesn't appear to be that. However, that is not true of what seems to have happened at Open AI. There were some complimentary things said about Sam Altman and such, and we'll get to those. But but there's obviously a lot more going on behind the scenes in that one. So let's let's talk about that here in a second. First, though, if you have feedback about anything that gets brought up on the show, you know, if you have some inside information about what's happened at an open AI, get in touch with the DTNs audience on the socials at DTNs show on X, formerly Twitter, also DTNs show on Mastodon at MSTDN.Social daily tech news show on Tiktok and DTNs pics, DTNs P I X on Instagram and France. Previously on Open AI. Well, it was a wild weekend, but let's let's try to recap everyone. We heard about it right before the show on DTNs. So they mentioned Sam Altman getting fired at the very beginning of the show. Here's everything that we know has happened. And these are the facts. Open AI's board announced late Friday that it fired CEO Sam Altman over not being, quote, consistently candid in his communications. A source later told Wall Street Journal that no single incident led to the dismissal. The statement had said that Greg Bropman would stay on, but he didn't. He quit. Mira Murati was named on Friday as interim CEO. She's the CTO of Open AI. And Altman is well known for having multiple projects underway at once. Worldcoin. We've talked about Worldcoin, a prominent example. That's it's it's his cryptocurrency identity verification project. It's not the only one. So coming up with a project that you could argue had conflict of interest wouldn't have been hard. Reports began to come out that board member and co-founder Ilya Sutskiver and board member and Cora CEO Adam DiAngelo were likely the driving forces behind Altman's ouster. But all four other board members, besides Brockman and Altman, voted to get rid of him. It was suspected that it might have been over disagreements regarding safety and profit, but later the safety concern was denied. Leading profit, we'll get to that. Altman went to Open AI Sunday, like when he went to the building with a guest pass that he posted on on X to negotiate his return. But it broke down over his demand to have the entire board replaced. Apparently it was it was more about whether there would be an apology and things like that. But but for whatever reason, it broke down. Open AI then named former Twitch CEO Emmett Shear, the guy who co-founded Twitch along with a few other people, including Dan Vote, formerly of Cruz. Emmett Shear is now the new CEO of Open AI. Shear said he would hire an independent investigator to look into the firing of Altman. Then Microsoft Sachin Adela announced Microsoft had hired Altman, Brockman and several other Open AI leaders for a new AI research team. Though some sources are saying that's in a holding pattern because we're still waiting to find out what's actually going to happen at Open AI because on Monday, Ilya Sutskover, one of those board members who voted to get rid of Sam and who had previously been saying, yeah, it's a sad day, but we had to do it, wrote, I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm Open AI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company. Well, now we got one more board vote and we've got a tie. Altman replied to that post with three heart emojis. So apparently those two are mending their fences. And then, coincidentally, on Monday, Adam D'Angelo, one of the other board members of Open AI, announced that his company, Cora's AI effort, Po, was launching user-created bots supporting Claude and ChatGPT as a base. Remember user-created bots were something that was a big hit when at Open AI's developer days. Then, and we're going to get to discussing this, I promise. There's just a lot to work through here. The Wall Street Journal reported that more than 500 of Open AI's 770 or so employees said they would leave the company to go work at a new Microsoft division under Sam Altman unless Altman was brought back to Open AI. And they said in the letter that Microsoft assured them they'd all get positions. The employees signed the letter and among the employees who signed the letter were board member Ilya Sutskiver and CTO and former temporary CEO, Mira Muradi. Altman has most recently posted, we are all going to work together some way or other, which the verge says means the fight is continuing. Altman may be trying to flip two more of those board members to vote his way and overturn the decision to dismiss him and remove the existing board. So those board members would be the aforementioned Adam DiAngelo of Cora, as well as Tasha McCauley, who works at RAND as a senior management scientist and Helen Toner, who's a director at a Washington nonprofit. So board member intrigue, for sure, and loads of unexpected sudden behavior, flipping of alliances. It's Game of Thrones inside of Open AI. Nika, what did you make of this from when you heard it and watching it play out over the weekend? The limited series on Netflix is going to be amazing. That's what my wife said originally. She's like, I saw someone who said Aaron Sorkin better get to work on the script right away. I mean, succession, AI, open AI edition. Yep, because it was just really you could watch the fallout at real time and it was just like one minute, it's one thing that I mean, it just it was pretty amazing to watch. I'm sure all the non tech folks are like, what? What are they talking about? I don't know. I'm confused. But just to see any time you get over 60 percent, almost 65 percent of your employees to threaten to quit unless the leader is reinstated. I mean, to me, that was the biggest kind of like wow moment to get that many people to agree that this is our this is our guy. And this is the person that we want to work for. And if you don't bring him back, we're going to leave. So it's one of those things where I think Microsoft had to act quickly, open eye, open AI, the lead, the remaining leadership and the new leadership, they had to, you know, get this done. Like we said over a weekend, because when the markets opened, they didn't want they didn't want this to tank. Because there are a lot of investors who get really spooked when it comes to this type of thing, because it's like the company is in turmoil. Like what are we going to do? What is our return? What is our investment looking like? And they had, I think they had to move really quickly to try and stop some of the bleed and stop some of the panic. And to me, Nadella, he's the winner. Either way, this goes. He's making out like a bandit. Whether he gets all these new folks to come over to Microsoft to work for Altman or whether, you know, they get Altman back at open AI. He's he's pretty much in the sweet spot. So he's kind of winning on either side of this. Yeah, it's it's important to understand. And we have we have an episode of No A Little More on open AI that explains how the company is is organized. That that episode obviously needs an update after this weekend. But there are two main components to open AI. There's a nonprofit organization that the board runs. And that's the board we're talking about. When we talk about Sootscouver and when we talk about DeAngelo and all of them, they are on the board of open AI, the nonprofit company that company fully owns or majority owns a for profit company called Open AI Global LLC. And what's interesting about this entire situation is that Open AI's board is not under the control of shareholders of Open AI Global LLC. Those board members are beholden to public interest. The Charter of Open AI is a public benefit nonprofit. It's a 501 3C company and it's charged with developing AI consistent with a benefit for humanity. Whereas the for profit company can make a profit. However, it's profit capped. So Microsoft has invested in the for profit company. But there's a limit to how much money it can make back. Now, granted, it's a it's a big limit. They can make a lot of money back. But there is a cap on how much they can make back. That's important to understand as to why the board members can get away with voting against the interest of a major investor like Microsoft, because they're not beholden to Microsoft. It also explains why there could be a rift between and this is one of the theories that was put out by a lot of people over the weekend between people who believe that Open AI has been moving too fast, either to pursue profits or to pursue artificial generalized intelligence in an unsafe manner. Sutskiver has been much more cautious about how fast they should develop Open AI than Altman has. And so some people thought, well, maybe that's the split. And maybe it was because Sutskiver did vote to get rid of him. But apparently, Sutskiver had a change of mind and was like, well, my gap isn't that big and has swung back Altman's way. So I think then you look at the other board members to see, well, who else might benefit from Altman being gone? It's hard to see too much from the member who is at Rand. It's hard to see too much from the member that is at the Washington nonprofit, which leaves Adam D'Angelo, who has a competing product in Po at Cora. And the reason he can be on the board is because it's a nonprofit. And so, you know, he doesn't have a vested interest in the shares of Open AI Global LLC. Anyway, your guess is good in mind, whether it was D'Angelo or anybody else. But if you want to understand the dynamics behind it, that's important to know. And it also seems to me that I was seeing somewhere that the for-profit board is on Altman's side. It's the nonprofit. Well, it's not even the full board at this point now. It's only a few members of the board. Three to three. Yeah. Yeah. Who are. Yeah. So it's one of those things where I think the original intent of the way they set this up, the for-profit side and the nonprofit side, I think it was admirable because we've all been hearing about ethical AI. How was this data being used? How is it being stored? We want to make sure it doesn't get too out of hand and be detrimental. So the the intent behind the way they set it up is, like I said, is admirable and understandable. But I don't think they put in all the necessary precautions to govern it, right? Because you've given all of the control to the nonprofit side. And so everybody else is just kind of, you know, working the room to try and make sure that the nonprofit board members are are happy or, you know, or at least content as to not really mess up the flow of the for-profit side, which is, you know, where the money comes from. Yeah. And I think that's an important point. I think that's a really important point is that Microsoft has a very solid license to open AI's technology. And Microsoft has played this perfectly, as you mentioned earlier, Nika, in saying, hey, we're still happy to support open AI. They've said that all along the way. But that profit motive, because it's capped and because the board is not related to the profit motive, it encourages people to find another way to benefit from this technology. And one of those other ways could be, and I'm not saying this is what happened to force this kind of situation to happen so that you then get all of the talent. Sam Altman and everybody else, those 500 other employees under Microsoft, you still have the license to open AI technology. And Microsoft can now make as much money as they want off of the talent because it's not part of the capped profit company. And they don't lose anything. In fact, like you said, they have nothing to do but gain. I don't think that's Microsoft's end game, because it does look like Microsoft is continuing to press to get Altman back at open AI, because I think that's what Altman wants. And they don't want to ruin their relationship with him. But they very clearly are using their licensing position and their 49 percent ownership as leverage to say, look, if you want to keep Altman out, then we're going to basically take everything from open AI, global LLC and develop it in house, which down the road could turn open AI into just a licensing company and nothing else. Yeah, just a shell of what they once were, because we all know, you know, Altman has been the face of open AI and the brains behind the operation, so to speak, along, of course, with the other talent. But he is the most notable face that goes along with open AI. And if, like I said, you know, Microsoft wins either way. But if they can get those 500 people, that 65 percent of open AI over under their umbrella, give Sam his team back, give him, you know, free reign to, you know, run this research group and make a boatload of money without any type of hindrance. I mean, honestly, that might be the best thing for Microsoft, but they're, you know, making sure they play this very diplomatic, diplomatically, depending on, you know, which side of the coin this comes off of. And what I do, I do kind of feel bad for what's his name, Eugene. What's his last name, the interim CEO, he's coming into this, you know, when the fire hose is still going, it's still a five alarm fire. And he's trying to, you know, settle the the employees that are there trying to hold onto them and not, you know, see them all sprint towards Microsoft because you're cutting your workforce down to, you know, 30 some odd percent of what you have left. And the people that are leaving are likely your most senior, your most involved talent. So he really has, you know, quite the task before him in addition to all of the PR stuff. And then what if they bring Sam back? What does this leave this guy? Because he left Twitch, you know, just what nine or so months ago. I mean, left in March. Yeah. His name is Emmett Shear. Emmett, he left Twitch in March. Yeah. Image. You're not Eugene. Sorry about that. But yeah. And it's they brought this guy. He's been at that.   And if open AI agrees to Altman's demands and brings him back as CEO, what does it leave him? What does it leave the stat? I mean, it's what's his motivation for taking this very uncertain position so quickly and and is there any connection to vote leaving leaving Cruz the day before? Shear goes back to the Y Combinator group, which also is where Sam Altman came from. So it's not impossible. I mean, they certainly know each other, but it's not impossible that there's some other connection going back there. Yeah, it is a it is a story of Silicon Valley intrigue that not even all the players in Silicon Valley know exactly what's going on at this point. But like I said, by the time you listen to this, there probably will be more shoes have dropped and we will we will continue to try to keep up on that and update the story again on the next show once we get the details. All right, before we go, let's check out the mailbag. Matt writes, hello, DTNS. I've probably owned around 10 cars since I started driving at 16 and all of them have been manuals, meaning manual transmissions. He's writing in response to our story on Friday with Tim Stevens about the electric vehicle that acts like it has a manual even though electric vehicles don't need manual transmissions. Matt says all of them were slow, boring and definitely not enthusiast cars unless you're the Hello Road YouTube channel think 1988 Chevy Nova. The manual transmission added a bit of fun to my otherwise boring cars. The manual also meant nearly all my friends couldn't borrow my car. And now that I live in an area with high car thefts, my manual car is less likely to get stolen. I'm hoping my next car is fully electric, but I'm really going to miss my manual transmissions. Great show. Give Otis the dog a boop for me. Best Matt. Thank you, Matt. You ever drive manual transmission? I kind of miss it. I, my dad tried to teach me and it just wasn't clicking. Yeah, it's a lot of effort. And, um, I was like, I told him, I was like, you know what, I think I'm okay on this, uh, I appreciate your effort, but, um, I think I'm just going to stick with automatic. Thank you. About a 1992 Saturn that was a manual transmission and just kind of like, well, I guess I need to learn because I bought this car and figured it out. Uh, Nika, thank you so much for hanging out today. If folks want to find out what else you got going on, where should they go? You can find me at tech savvy diva on pretty much all of your social media outlets. You can also check me out, um, on snobbo westcast, which is my podcast that I host with another contributor to DTNS Terrence gains. You can go over to snobbo westcast.com to find out all the information about our show. Indeed patrons, stick around for the extended show. Good day internet. Maybe we'll talk a little more, uh, about those Gurman rumors, but likely we're just going to keep refreshing the feeds and, and sharing our theories about what's happening at open AI in a little more open ended fashion. So, uh, thank you patrons and stick around for that. You can also catch the show live Monday through Friday, four PM Eastern 2100 UTC, find out more at daily tech news show.com slash live and come back tomorrow for more updates on the open AI saga. As well as our home theater holiday buyers guide with Robert Herron. Talk to you then. This show is part of the frog pants network. 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Have you ever been in one of those toxic relationships where the other person keeps hurting you over and over and over again but you quickly forget about all of the terrible things they've done? That's one of the main reasons why I'm really concerned that Jake Paul is manipulating Shane Dawson. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution and if you're new to my channel, my channel is all about trying to help you improve your mental and emotional well-being so what I like to do, I like to pull things from the YouTube community or pop culture in general and try to teach you how to improve your mental health and I've been recapping pretty much every Shane Dawson episode for this Jake Paul series so make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell and for all of you who aren't new, I have an exciting announcement. Zach is back and he is actually editing this video so let's give a round of applause for Zach. All right so again quick reminder this video is for you so in this video we're going to be talking a lot about toxic relationships and I'm also going to dive into some brain science okay so before Shane started this series when he like announced or even when it was rumored that he was going to be doing this series on Jake Paul a lot a lot of his fans were worried that Shane was going to try to make us sympathize with Jake Paul and like I don't know that was really fascinating to me I'm like okay you guys like calm down like why do you have to hate somebody so so so much you know like it's just kind of an interesting thing and as this series is going on we're learning more about Jake Paul and I've mentioned that I can relate to Shane in this kind of like overly empathetic way and I'm kind of like well you know he is young and he has kind of a rough childhood even though I've mentioned that it's not an excuse but like as I was driving back home from Los Angeles I got this thought I'm like wait a second wait a second wait a second Jake Paul is still a pretty awful person like I was getting sucked into this thing too so like the first thing I want to talk about is we cannot forget we cannot forget about the nerd city video that came out about Jake Paul right before this documentary series happened Jake Paul is a complicated personality on the one hand Jake should be respected as an expert on social media and as a wildly successful entrepreneur but on the other hand Jake should be reviled for exploiting children as young as preschoolers so for those of you who haven't seen the nerd city video I'm gonna link it down in the description below but basically like he he shows like Jake Paul is not a good person and there's a few main points I want to touch on about this because it's not being discussed at all so far in this documentary series from Shane Dawson so the first one is is Jake Paul taking advantage of kids right when it comes to making money off of them so nerd city I love that dude I love that dude so much he did a ton of research and investigation so I'm not gonna quote everything that he did but again I'm gonna link down to his video but there's actually laws that are in place to protect Maya Maya quit playing with the carbonates but yeah there are actually laws in place that say that they cannot they cannot overly advertise to kids on children's shows okay so I forgot what the exact percentages was but you couldn't put more than a certain amount of advertisements in a kids show because kids will like go to their parents and beg them and beg them and beg them and take and the people selling it to the kids know they could take advantage of the kids in that way so what nerd city did in this video he showed like just a Jake Paul video and like the percentage of the amount of advertising that Jake did in this video I think was about 50 percent which is absolutely bananas that's 23 separate ad reads built into one video out of a 13 minute and 50 second video nearly seven minutes of that time is devoted to advertising products 50 percent so yeah it's also important to remember that nerd city pointed out that Jake Paul is very very aware of this he mentioned it in news interviews that his primary audience is like eight to ten years old so he knows exactly what he's doing but unfortunately because of the way that technology progresses there's no laws against this on YouTube so the second thing that nerd city pointed out is the way that they um hopped on this trend Jake Paul and team 10 hopped on this trend of scaring the bejesus out of children children who have a very hard time separating reality from fiction and they knew this so for those of you who don't know if you're like me and don't follow Jake Paul what they did what him and Erica did was they had killer clowns break into the house and kidnap them and kids all around the world lost their freaking minds okay they beat him with a bat to death like i'm so mad right now knowing that your favorite youtuber might die is really sad kids were uploading videos like oh my god like Jake Paul and Erica go oh my god and they were freaking out right and like this this is not cool okay just because i'm a big neuroscience nerd and by the way this isn't the neuroscience thing i was going to talk about but it just popped into my head but like this is way different than like um like jimmy kimmel or somebody doing like oh prank i ate all my kids halloween candy this is much much much different all right so even the thing that um logan paul did where he pretended to die in front of all his uh his kid fan base in the hotel room like these things are not cool they can even be so much traumatic and like i'm not trying to like over exaggerate this thing but the fact that they spread this out and went on for so long like these kids were experiencing a lot of stress because they didn't know that it was fake all right now the next thing i want to touch on is like and i can make an entire video about this but i'm kind of sick and tired how people are painting Erica as this like saint and what i've seen today but also just been a lot of research and from what i've heard from nick and like other people that i trust you are kind of like the only so bad to say uh oh well the only hope that jay has all the normal life um and it's really funny because you're not the first person that says anything like that and if you guys want me to make another video about this but i've talked about it in other videos already on my broken picker playlist um but like people are acting like erica is this like almighty savior and she's gonna save jake paul and everybody says that she's so good for jake like cut the crap but cut is just as guilty as jake paul is when it comes to this stuff because she participated in the killer clown thing she knows exactly what jake's doing when it comes to marketing the children so like it's not like she's like steering him on this nice like altruistic amazing enlightened path or something like that all right so like again i can make an entire video about that so let me know if you would like me to do that so here's the thing when it comes to shane dawson i don't know how the timeline matches up i don't know if shane started this series before or after the nerd city video came out i don't know if shane dawson saw it i know for a fact jake paul saw it because the video last time i checked i like over half a million views but anyways like so i don't necessarily fault shane for this but i think it's important for all of us me and you to realize that jake is still doing this jake is still doing bad things all right my girlfriend and i had the stomach the last jake paul video because somebody said hey jake paul made a video about you know uh elissa and then shane being interviewed by shane dawson and we watched it by the way to save you some time like the first like 10 minutes or something like the first 75 as a vlog and then he jumps into the elissa thing so we just skip forward to that part um but anyways at the beginning and end of that video he shoves his merch and this sale they have the fan appreciation sale he shoves it down people's throat with his awful merchandise so today is a day of merch $10 t-shirts $20 sweatshirts and $10 hats are you kidding no so again like this is important for all of you like i mentioned in the intro this is something that we all need to be aware of like we forget about the terrible things that people have done and don't get me wrong those of you who know me i'm a huge huge huge advocate for forgiveness and believing that people grow that people change like i am living proof of it i used to be an awful person in my drug and alcohol addiction and i have changed i did a complete 180 but like it's important to realize who's changing who's trying to change and who isn't doing crap right Jake Paul is literally doing nothing okay so he's still that person and i think Shane might be forgetting that or he wasn't fully aware of all of those things and this is why Jake might be manipulating Shane but the other two things i wanted to note real quick is we don't know and i've seen a lot of your comments but we don't know about the the physical assault accusations against elissa all right we don't know for sure but like what we do know for sure are the things that have been caught on camera and something that hasn't been addressed yet which i don't know if elissa will talk about it was it was on camera Jake Paul spitting in elissa violets face all right so i think it's important that we remember that and then to call back to the nick uh crompton episode we also need to remember that even if the martinez twins are lying about the bullying and all that stuff like we can't forget that we have video evidence of Jake Paul saying racial slurs to these two men all right so like let's like let's not forget these things so like i just kind of wanted to talk about that when it comes to always starting to over sympathize with Jake Paul and Shane painting him in a good light but like here's here's a thing that my uh my wonderful girlfriend and i were talking about yesterday is that Shane is in a in a really tricky position all right because he's he's trying to make sure that Jake is on board with everything and all of that and we know for a fact that Jake is having Shane cut certain things out so my concern about that is Shane getting some backlash because Jake is having him cut certain things out like imagine this like you know if you had an investigative journalist like going to like expose some company for doing something terrible but the company was allowed to tell them hey by the way don't mention all these bad terrible things that would make me look bad you know what i mean so i'm worried that Jake is having Shane cut out these things that would really like expose Jake Paul for the not so great person that he is so but here's the thing like i do cut Shane some slack like Shane is in very very new territory he is being like a frontiersman when it comes to what he's doing on youtube but no matter what the case is like i always say there are no losses there are only learning experiences so that's what's happening and Shane gets some pushback about that i hope he grows before he does his next series of learns from this so the last part i wanted to discuss um and i was gonna make a separate video but i figured i would just toss it in here is i got an awesome comment from one of you beautiful subscribers out there and this subscriber is raffaella so she says also since you mentioned you're a fellow neuroscience nerd i would like to point out something out in defense of Jake that i haven't seen anyone talk about he's 21 years old the prefrontal cortex which is responsible for among other things logic decision making initiative planning etc fully matures around the ages of 23 or 26 depending on which journal you trust um i know many would argue that the hypothalamus is the powerhouse of the brain the 4s fighting fleeing feeding mating lol but in my opinion the pfc and the hippocampus are the true powerhouses of the brain i can literally go on and on about this for hours girl so can i and i agree prefrontal cortex hippocampus amygdala too all right so then she says does that justify the dumb stuff he did no does that justify failure to take responsibility for one's actions again no however his pfc is still developing the dude just needs more time to grow as a person and build character while his pfc fully matures those oh that's my two cents love your videos thank you rafiella yeah i love it i i love meeting like fellow neuroscience nerds but anyways yeah like this is a good point so i've said it in other videos like back when i was a much smaller channel but i've mentioned it like kids are dumb young people are dumb like that's no offense it's just like like what rafiella was saying it's just the way the brain develops the prefrontal cortex i talk about this a lot this is the part of the brain that separates us from the animals and it doesn't fully mature until your 20s or early 30s so like rafiella said it depends on which scientific journal you look at so i've seen some that say you know what she's saying but like i did want to point this out some journals say that the the prefrontal cortex fully matures in females around my 25 to 28 years old and for men it's closer to early 30s so keep that in mind real quick all right but anyways yes the prefrontal cortex is responsible for all of the things that help make us good people so it's responsible for logical decision-making impulse control fear modulation and also um self-awareness right and a whole bunch of other stuff one of my favorite favorite favorite neuroscientist is uh dr dan seagull and he has some great books about this but he has like the nine core functions of the prefrontal cortex i'll try to link that down in the description as well but anyways we have to understand that jake's brain is still fully development developing and what you need to realize is when you realize what the prefrontal cortex does it explains a lot of his behaviors okay now something that my mom mentioned in one of the videos that i did with her is um the way his morality and his maturity is kind of stunted right so he may not fully develop that prefrontal cortex and all of its abilities until even later than in life you know what i mean so again this is an excuse like the thing is is that people in jake's life need to point these things out to him not enable him and separate themselves from him again i just want to call back to the whole erica thing like i do not think erica is his perfect angel that people are trying to paint her out to be right now you know what i mean but anyways that's what i got about this but i want to hear from all of you down in the comments below can you relate to what i was talking about like being in a toxic relationship whether it's with a significant other or a family member where they keep doing bad things over and over to hurt you but then you like you forget you get this weird amnesia about all the awful things they did and you're like huh they're not that bad like i know this is something that a lot of addicts and alcoholics struggle with right where they forget how terrible the last drunk or drunk uh high was and they're like huh it wasn't that bad but a lot of us do that with people too so if you can relate to that make sure you let me know down in the comments below all right but anyways that's all i got for this video so if you like this video please give it a thumbs up and if you're new i'm always making videos to help you out with your mental health make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell and a huge thank you to everybody supporting the channel over on patreon you help me make these mental health videos and i love you oh so much and if you would like to join and 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