Oh my goodness, we could very well be live. Wow, that sounds excellent. Gosh, I'm trying to think of something, but right now, all I all I can think of is hate. Well, that's just a hate problem, buddy. I'm just churning out irate takes on these movies that were forced to watch like you got to do with our wills. Yeah, true. All right, so the only thing left is to list that we're forced to watch. Definitely live. That's good. All right, are we? Because I can't see. I can't see it either. I said it's not listed yet, but we're live. All right, now it should be listed or at least in a couple of seconds from now. Oh, well, I'm listed. Bloody wonderful. Yep. Black listed. No, let's say that offensive. Fisted. Black listed. Well, how else am I going to keep track of my slaves? Should I told Jay about the blind play through one from Twitch and he thought I was joking? And I was like, no, no, no, for real. And he was like, yeah, that sounds like a meme, though. Like, were they serious? I was like, yes, they were serious. Oh, you can't you can't say blind play through because all those Twitch watchers who are blind are going to get really upset about it. Expect some angry emails. The problem is that if a blind person sends you an email, all it's going to say is Bob, you know, I'll be there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can touch type. So if you went blind, you could send a very good email. If I if I suppose if I went blind, I could probably do. Yeah, so this is how I would get to. Maybe someone would probably have to set it up for me. They'd have to like click on the places and say, OK, you're now typing so you can you go. You're on an email. But maybe they put in the wrong address so they play jokes on you. Like convincing deaf people that when you get an erection, it makes a sound. He goes bloop. I think they would disturb them. Well, now that we've offended those two groups. Yes, three. Well, I was going to say three disabled groups, the blind, the deaf and Zack Snyder fans. So now that we've got that out of the way, as if there was ever any hope of Zack Snyder fans having anything to do with us ever. Yeah, at least if you're blind, it may be it's possible. Jesus walks by, spits in the mud and rubs it in your eyes, you know, and you can see again.  Like, I don't think there's any any help for you. Zack Snyder spits in the mud and rubs it in your eyes. It's. Oh, wait. But what the hell happened to you? Rags. Oh, I might I just like. Is it right? Yeah, he was stabbed. But can you teleport it to the other? We're not even in Singapore. That's the problem. Let's go to Singapore. Everybody get your travel gear. And there we go. Here we are in Singapore. The singing pole. Singing Singapore is that's I. Oh, Fiddler on the roof. That was a movie about singing poor. I just realized the the thumbnails inaccurate. It baited the idea of metal being here.  You know, I'm going to change that. I can hear everybody leaving the stream. Well, yeah, that's it, really. You also don't have Theo's name in in the title. I'm going to correct all of that while we talk. And I'm going to pretend this is all the intro and that it was planned. Oh, yeah, how are you guys doing? Oh, I'm doing OK. You know what's cool? South Pole and Theo being here when they're both chat people who who ended up being dragged onto the stream in their intros. And now they're both on a travel. You guys been on an episode before? I can't remember. Look together. Yeah, I think it was the last of us two one, right? Yeah. Yeah. The covering task not 50. And that happened. You know, that was yeah, Theo one and Theo two. Well, I guess we're just we'll lose. I am the cat in the chat here for shenanigans, but I will tell them the truth, regardless. We metal very tuck it out from the streaming of the halo, I assume, from last night, and he didn't get quite the right sleep. So he can't make it. But just so happens that Theo unprovoked watched BBS yesterday. Oh, something. So he's master of it. And you said you remembered it really well. Like, you know, back to front of this point. Yeah. Yeah. I paid very close attention to it. Excellent watching. Yeah, you know, Justice League is definitely sorry.  Funnies like I don't even I feel like I might have told you probably haven't, but you know, Smiler, one funny gag we had running with him was like whenever a new DC movie came out back in the day, I would be like, I want to see it because I want to see how the DC is doing. And he'd be like a Wonder Woman. He fell asleep before the trench part. And I was like, oh, well, then I told him about what happened in the third act. I remember laughing a lot while explaining it. Man of Steel. I don't think he got past like the first half an hour before like falling asleep and then bam of his superman. I remember it was just like 10 minutes after the jelly bean thing, the jolly rancher that he was like snoring on microphone. Oh, the jolly rancher thing happened. Yeah, like he legit has fallen asleep to most of the DC. You it's quite impressive. Does he does he fall asleep normally at your house? Does he just does he have a troubled home life? He just goes to your place to get some sleep. Only one of these is in person. The other two are on disco. Oh, oh, I just consider the DC.  I don't know what to tell you the music, though. And it's a fair reaction. All right. I can totally believe all the tree says, why didn't you sleep on a farm? Good news, everybody. The BVS EFAP movies is is kicking around. It's almost ready to go. And hopefully I don't know how I'm going to make this work. But to be honest with you, continuity wise, all of you in chat, you you too early, OK, this stream is going to be best enjoyed after seeing our coverage of the EFAP movies. And I might try and release these so that that matches up like when this is on Mula, this might actually in continuity be after the release of the movies for BVS, because it'll work well, because we'll have we'll have developed our arguments by now. I'd say you mean you mean to say that we're too early, kind of like the flash was flash. Go in. You have to say Lois, Lois is the key. You were right, Superman. I'm not going to tell you what I mean by that. I'm just going to say you were right. Lois is the key. I like how it's as ominous as possible without being specific at all. Well, supposedly the setter cut's going to show Batman sending the flash back in time to do that scene. Yeah, that's going to be hilarious. It's going to be hilarious seeing that flag go to the flash. Me like, all right, here's what you have to do. You have to go back in time. And if you if you arrive too early, you have to, you know, talk in the most cryptic, vague, ominous way possible and not be specific in any way, shape or form. Batman. And you just need to tell him that what he already believes is true. He just tells the flash. He's like, right. So the problem was I accidentally killed Lois and you went nuts. So tell him. Oh, my goodness.  Say that, OK?  I don't know what the plan is. Yeah, make sure you do that. Pops forward and then pops back and then says, yeah, I did it. Don't think he got it. I feel like honestly, if I was back, future Batman, and it's like, oh, he goes insane when Lois dies. It's like, hmm, maybe we should put him down. Well, actually, as I was making that joke, I was like, damn, this isn't good, actually.  That's ooh. It's not really bad person. Less than ideal.  He must have learned some really weird morals and principles from his parents, whoever they were. I like how we have to ignore Justice League because I was about to say, like, doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would also say, I'm a big fan of justice. Every morning, a big ball of justice. I don't know. It's I think it's hilarious, and I love it. But yeah, so up to date, we have all seen up to Justice League and we've got Aquaman next, right? You know, on Monday. Yep. Meanwhile, as people might be wondering, you know what, you know, why do the EFAP movies and an EFAP podcast? Why do it on the same topic? What's the point of that? Well, this is to properly discuss and lay it out. The EFAP movies themselves, you get it. People didn't say that about TLJ. Oh, I mean, I don't think they would say it about this even. I'm sort of just trying to justify that. I decided people out there who say to rewatch about Mavis Superman in my free time. I know, crazy. And my goodness, do I have things to talk about? We're probably not going to get. I think we'll try and do this the same way we did Man of Steel, where I will bring up different things at different times. We'll try and get through lots of different things, maybe even over more than just the one EFAP. I don't even know. And then I wouldn't mind talking to you guys once again about our listings, because my God, does it fluctuate? And ones that are rising to the top feel like they shouldn't be rising to the top yet. What could you do? Wait, you know what Theo? Do you have a ranking for up to Justice League? Where you place Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman 84, Man of Steel, Man of Steel, BDS, and Justice League. And Suicide Squad. Oh, yeah, that's right too. How do you rank? Wow, spoiled for choice as to what goes in that. They're all bad. They're all really bad. I don't know that I remember any of them well enough to differentiate how bad they are, other than that maybe Justice League is in a league of its own in bad terms. I get it. It might very well be DeGreaves, though. I'm gonna slap it, Theo's just like, all right. So you think Justice League would be the worst? Well, Suicide Squad exists, so. So that's the worst? Yes. And then who's third from the bottom then? Justice League. Oh, I thought, wait, so it goes at the bottom of Suicide Squad then. Oh, right, at the bottom of Suicide Squad then Justice League probably.  I don't know. I don't blame you. It's a tough one. They're all so terrible. Yeah, they're not great. They're all really bad. Yeah, I suppose this feels, this is gonna have to be myself and Southport trying to tell this story because I got, all I've got is the, when we did the Filmento video, the title had Filmento and Twin Perfect in it because the plan was to cover both of them. But then, and I know this is gonna shock you guys, it took us a long time to get through the first video. Yeah. The silence is shock right there. And so we decided we'd do a second one. And as I said at the beginning of the recording for several reasons. First and foremost, being like a timeline thing as well as a copyright thing, as well as trying to catch up and keep up just with everything else that's going on. And we're probably- But don't lie, Mahler. You also said that you didn't want to have to read out super chats at the end as well. I mean, if, well, this is the thing. I still have super chats to catch up on.  I'm trying to chalk away on the boys' video while also juggling the movie recordings which we have like two separate things going on for getting them done bi-weekly with timelines. And then there's obviously Batwoman. And I was like, it makes more sense if we just do one offline. I can pop it out whenever. And there's no worry about having to do a 10 or 11 hour one. Cause it's usually profitable to do just one of those per week alongside two, two hour to three hour recordings for movies and a Batwoman one. Well, and it's not like we have never done pre-recorded E-faps before. We're not breaking the mold by doing this. And I was about to say, we're probably going to do one for BVS because today this'll be a nice chunky E-fap. We might do another one of them because the next E-fap's gonna be off DCU and then it'll be back on with them. Wait, what's the, is it Suicide Squad we're on to then? No. Wait, what are we doing? Yeah, I feel like we'll need, I'll have to find like one video defending Suicide Squad because we did not think it was good. Huge shock. I'm happy to. Shocker, yeah. Stifle your collective gasping. And so that's kind of how I was planning on doing this arc. I figured that's the best way to work it. And then I discover, because I guess I was just so taken away with our coverage of Filmento that Twin Perfect was in our chat while we were covering Filmento. And he had a different idea for why we ended up recording his offline rather than reacting to it live. I don't know what else I should say rather than just passing it over at this point. So folks, you seem to know better of what happened next? Well, so I looked in Mahler's server. I think the day after the, well it was either the day of or the day after the, I guess E-fap 124 premiered. And a fellow called Verdad leaked some screenshots from the server that he is in with Twin Perfect. And so... Calling it leaked is like it's all, ooh, it's leaked, it's a secret.  He basically was talking about it on a server. People were telling him that, hey, E-fap covered your video. They uploaded an E-fap today where they covered your video and he found out, oh, it's prerecorded. Yeah, this video was really bad. It was really bad. Yeah, it was really painful. One of the worst we've covered, I'd say. It was really funny too. Like lots of the time. It was funny in a desperate kind of way. I feel like it made for a very strong E-fap offline sort of thing and I think people enjoyed it quite a bit. Oh yeah, quite a bit. It was a blast. As a listener.  Like it, it's probably worse than like stuff like Catwoman and Daredevil from back in the day, which everyone shits on. Like I guarantee you we would find less wrong with those movies than we would with Man of Steel. Let me ask you this. Would you consider the Resident Evil movies, superhero movies? Oh. Nothing makes any sense in those movies. Well, nothing makes sense in the DCEU. Alice is my favorite superhero. True. Superhero. Well, I don't want to say that. I'm not going to say superhero because they never make anything about her being like, it's not like an identity politics thing.  I think it looks like some zombie movies rather than superhero movies, right? That's all right, that's all right. I don't know how I stand. I could see it either way. I don't, you know. Super zombies. I also saw someone in chat, I mentioned a while ago. Shazam was okay and the first Wonder Woman is average. So, no, no. I'm very sorry. I think the Overton window of cinematic quality is a skew. I am so sorry, guys, but Shazam is not that good and you're going to see in a few weeks, trust us. Okay. We're good. Well, the Wonder Woman is an average. It's like pretty terrible. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wonder Woman is bad. It's pretty bad and yet it still might be the best DCEU movie. Yeah. It's demonized. Yeah, it might be another one. Oh, yeah. So, screenshot, the one, I guess, I don't know. It says very conveniently pre-recorded considering I was in that chat last week. They don't want me there. They want to make fun of me. So. I want you here, man. Come on, please. Yeah, number one. We can talk about your horseshit video live. That's fine with me. I also, I didn't know that you were in the chat. There's a lot of people in the chat. I didn't know. You're not so special that you're trying to get extra nerf actively. And besides, like, this is the thing. We have, like, things with this. When we're, like, busy watching people's videos, them coming on is never, like, a guarantee. Often, like, remember with the internet's janitor, we would just, like, come back again. And he did. Like, when we knew that was an interesting sequence of events. So, I just want to say, by the way, like, we are all really qualified to argue much hotter takes on media than Man of Steel being bad. I don't even know how. It shouldn't even be a hot tank. No, what I'm saying is, like, you guys are capable of arguing that Knives Out is bad. I'm capable of, you know, arguing Spider-Man 2 is bad. But, like, Man of Steel is going to be nothing for us. It's super easy to take down that movie. So, we wouldn't have an issue with debating him if he were to come on.  Well, what was it that Twin Perfect said, that three skyscrapers that Superman was directly responsible for destroying? His defenses were hilarious. They were kind of funny. It was funny, yeah. Before I carry on with what he said here, I'm really looking forward to covering him today because I saw, we're watching part three of his defenses. We're not doing all three, so we can't do them. Because the panel here is most interested in someone trying to defend Lex Luthor's motivation. Because that's hilarious as a concept for that movie. Now, I watched the other two in prep just in case there was anything continuity-wise we're going to miss and there was some things that he said that I just want to show everyone here in a different video. It's going to be really funny. Keep that in mind. And the previous video we covered in mind when you see some of the other things he says in a minute. But, yeah. What I was going to say was that when you try and- Part shadowing. When you try and, is the word divine a motivation? Like, figure out a motivation. You could, like a divining rod. I suppose you could, but ascertain, maybe, my P.S. Yeah, yeah, there's probably better words.   Has that happened just the once? Twice? Over 20 times at this point? I'm thinking it's happened before. We're pretty on board with it. And I would actually say that I am more eager to have someone come on to defend those movies than most of the things we've covered before. Yeah, because these are, this is a baffling position, kind of. Like, it's kind of, it's amazing. I feel bad for you a little bit. I need to know. Yeah, I sort of do. What else we got here? I want to know, the person who likes these movies, I want to know what movies you think are good. We have to try and establish some kind of a, like what our scale is. I do wonder if it is like hardcore copium because like the MCU for all of its flaws is still on average a lot more like reliable than the DCEU. So if you like these DC characters a lot and this is like the quality, the caliber of the films, you know, it's not. They're not pretty good defense though, Frank, you didn't understand it. I do like that we've now, we're in a world now where these movies are really smart, despite being so edgy. Like the idea of this, this kid submits his scraggly scrapbook with this edgy story about Batman shooting people through the face and going like, me, do you bleed? He's like, this is also Red Plato's Republic. So, that's what smart kids do, right? They read, symbolism as well. Like, hey, look, Jesus, isn't that clever? It's like, nah, it's really handsome. Everybody does that. So yeah, he said, I'm not going to respond. My policies, I talk about things I like and other people can talk about me. It's like, okay. He said, and hearing their level of discourse, their talk isn't worth much anyway. All right. I thought you said that we don't want you to come. Which is? They said, yeah, already bored. Just can't bring the bands. E-Fab can bring the bands, man. Let's spot E-Fab's half about, right? Is banter and then film racism, okay? 2K losers, that's you, chat. How do you feel? Let's just play more than $2,000. He just called out chat. We have way more losers than that. Why, have you ever noticed that there's a weird attitude with some people where they're like, lol, easy content, yuck, yuck, look at me, how smart I am. Yeah, I hope you dislike it. That just means they get more algorithm and engagement. I get more money and more ad clicks. It's like, I'll get four extra cents if everyone in the universe hates my video. Yeah, just for the real winner. Why, why, why losers? Like, what, because we were spotted in a video? All right, we'll be okay. I mean, we lost valuable time in our lives. Yeah, well, you know what? I think it was fun as hell that he made the video. So like, I'm cool with it. I think it was funny. Yeah, I've managed to make sure chat haven't missed the point here. Losers, that's you. The arrows could be chunkier on LightShot, but I do what I can with the tools I am provided. This is where it's not ours.  Yeah, I'm giving it a listen now. The rebuffs haven't been very good so far. Imagine. Imagine thinking. So the rebuffs to, I mean, super bad when it blew up a couple of buildings. Why? It was an incident of damage. It was, it was an incident of damage. I didn't quite appreciate this comment. 2K losers can enjoy them dumping on someone they don't know who was willing to chat with them last week's stream. I'll be over here enjoying my time. You, man, what is it with people? I don't want to actually. What is it with people being so obsessed with views? Look at my views over here with my views. What's, what, like, this is not a reliable way of just being happy in life. Like, I gotta tell you, it's really. Yeah, it gives me clout with which I can try and flex on people. It looks kind of impotent and, you know. But I don't even understand like this line of criticism. The whole, like, enjoy them dumping on someone they don't know who was willing to chat with them. Like, why would that play into it at all? We didn't know. Yeah. It's like, once again, he's talking about something he doesn't know anything about. And two comments ago, he said that my policy is that I talk about things I like and other people can talk about me. That's a weird poll. And also I'm willing to talk to them. But they're also losers. It's not a policy. But they're also losers. I like the idea that he has a policy book and it's just one page and it's that. It's a whole book with like a hundred pages, but only the first one has anything. Yeah, the rest is blank. I also don't. Just that sentence. It's not lost. Somebody said open invite for them to come and have a real discussion if they're feeling uncowardly. All right, calm down, buddy.  Yeah, I don't think we have. We don't have much to prove and we're not so insecure that we feel they need to prove it to some Randy on YouTube who makes shitty superhero movies. And yeah, we're really, we're really not bothered. Just we are. We're we're really all right, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, talk about like really bad faith assumptions of our motives for uploading it like pre-recorded. I just would have thought by now we would have had enough of a reputation to not certainly not be the ones to consider like, oh, if I'm always backing down from a discussion, like, yeah, that they never talk to people. Like with the I remember when we were covering the janitor on EFAP 100, he wanted to come on at like that day, but we just couldn't make time for him. So we made time for him for a later EFAP.  And Wolf was like, yeah, this is just bad timing. I'm sorry. Look, guys, he would have been perfectly happy to talk to us, except that his policy is that he doesn't respond to criticisms, but also your criticisms were bad. And also, you know, if you actually want to talk and be uncarodely, I'm willing to talk, but I don't really talk to people, but I'm willing to talk if you want to talk. That's like the logic of a Zack Snyder movie.  Then, you know, he said it all of it, yeah. Yeah, he's throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. So then this last one, hey, more is all right. I'm sure the followers are reasonable as wet. And then it shows Mac from chat. I hope you're not here right now, because I don't think you can handle this public shaming. I don't know if Mac could deal with this. He's not here. He's not here. Mac, look away. There are people who are ironically think better steals better than Civil War. So that is hilarious as a statement, but they consider this embarrassing to say. That is pretty funny. Which is funny to me. That's amazing. Could you imagine watching like Superman float out of the ship with his arms out like Jesus and then watching what happens in the room like Civil War where characters are informed and they have a history and the world is starting to change based on their actions and it's all ramping up to a big climax between two really good friends who are, you know, their friendship is forever damaged, or at least it would have been if Endgame was good.  Man of steel, Jesus. Obviously it was Man of Steel. Did you not see space Jesus? Did you not see it? He was right there. He took a little screen. I like the idea that you want embarrassing imagery. Yeah, I know, of course. No, this is a movie for adults. That's why it's so subtle. And yeah, I guess this kind of comparison like Man of Steel is a war. Like for me, I'm just like, oh, it's like you're telling me the spoon is better for chopping down trees than the axe. And I'm just like, yeah, I got, I can't even see even vaguely how they come close. I just, I don't get it. And that's how it smacked in the spoon against the tree. It'll work.  I like it, yeah. Yeah, I like how it's difficult. It was meant to be that way. Yeah, that's the stylistic choice. You just don't understand, yes. Yeah. I'm making a crucifix with it, because Jesus. Guys, please talk about Jared Leto, Jesus, please. What is there to say? What? What is Jared Leto joke of Jesus, guys? Look, Jared Leto joke of Jesus, what would Joker do?  Only five hours? And could you imagine? There's gonna be a discussion afterwards too. Can you imagine if it's worse? Can you imagine? It might be. I don't think it will be, but it might be. I think the big thing that we've taken away from this DCEU arc is that there are no foregone conclusions because I think we all came into it, thinking Man of Steel would probably be the best one. And the Justice League would be the worst. Yeah, and the Justice League would be the worst, but is it? Is Justice League the worst? Is it? I am banking on the Snyder Cut being worse. Leto, Jesus. Oh, I meant broadly though, do we wanna have that conversation? Well, bring it up. Well, we could guess. Once we talked a bit about BVS, because BVS is our current number one, right? Sure. Yes. It is. It's either that or Wonder Woman One for me. They float around the same area. So, we should stream for two hours about that comment.   You just added 1.5 hours, man. Content is easy. I love when people say that. Well, I can believe that he thinks content is easy. Well, I can believe that. We're gonna get an example today of what he considers to be, you know, dare I say good content. Easy content. Yeah. Oh, yeah, boy. It seems that he's taken the position of becoming like the defender of Snyder's movies, because he's got several movies to get referenced when it's like, oh, you gotta see these videos. It feels good to be back in like, this feels like such a comfy space for EFAP where it's like, we've gotta take, someone else has got a popular take that's apparently pretty good. It's completely opposite to ours. Let's check out the references versus ours and let's see how it ends up going. Now, again, like I said, I watched BVS ahead of time because on top of the times we've seen it, just to get everything right and there's way more that's wrong with this film, but we'll see if it comes up as he talks about, you know, whatever he's gonna talk about. You guys have got the link. Is everybody in? Yeah, let me use the loop really quick and I'll be right back. No problem. We'll dive into this amazing adventure. Yeah, what we'll do is, we'll get that portion ready for you guys first that we're gonna have him talk about and then we'll jump to his. I'm doing that meant for something, like the demons come from the sky thing. It's like, I guess, angels come from like the bottom of the earth. That's why I said that. I say that in the movie's coverage. I'm like, if you want to be, we went over this. It only works in the specific example, but even then it's confusing. And also, is there any reason why Lex Luthor even knows what Parademons are?  Well, the problem is the world building in the DCEU is pretty bad. So like for some reason, there was a massive battle with all of like the human tribes that just nobody has ever heard of. Nobody wrote it down.  Like really, not one person. So there was a flying Green Lantern person, not people. It was a singular Green Lantern.   I have one, it's a toilet.  It's just over there. It's over there. So I drink a lot of water and a lot of tea, which is basically water. No, no, no, no, no. So I have, what? They're referencing something. What? What do you think they're referencing?  Bring it. I thought he was talking about Superman.  Demons. Oh, he was, but at the end of the film, he whips the painting upside down, which is paradigm and I mean, like, yeah. Fringy, we're trying to talk about piss jars. Fringy, it's not. I'm sorry.  I reference to.  I'm desperate for you. Nobody help him, okay? Piss jars. You will walk without me.  No, it is specific to the DCU, though.  A jar of piss. Hold up, hold up. Oh, yes, yes. I remember granny's peach thing. Yeah. Yeah. A jar of piss. You need one of them. So you can survive the stream. I see. You need one of those so that you can give it to a U.S. senator and then blow them up. Straight right up towards the actor. There's something that, there's more to talk about that in terms of, I think I've discovered what the movie wants to be, the motivation of him blowing her up, by the way. But again, we'll talk about these things. Again, this is to take place after our Man of Steel. No, sorry, BVS, EFAP movie, technically. So we'll try and only add to that rather than repeat it. But, you know, we'll do what we can, everybody. Yeah, so this video is number two, and it's called The Martha Controversy, and it's about Batman's motivation. Majority of the video is talking about how it's okay that Batman's killing people and that this vision is okay because of any references to the comics as well. He's like, this vision's in the comics, the do blah, blah, blah. So you guys should chill out. A lot of the arguments are simply, I don't like Batman being like this. Which is just not really what I'm interested in. That'll be a surprise for Twin Perfect. He probably thinks that we're gonna roll out comic arguments. But we won't. I've never, I don't even know what comic are. And so, I was listening to it. I was doing some getting some things ready.  You guys are gonna hear these two. So like I said, this is him going through different arguments. He's about to present one and then counter it, and we'll play this for a little bit. And then we're gonna jump to the main video we're covering today. This is just a pre-amplification. So maybe this isn't actually Doomsday, but so. Oh yeah, he just says that people shouldn't be annoyed that this is Doomsday because there could be multiple Doomsdays. What? Oh, well that's an interesting baseless conjecture piece. Great work, I can do that too. Because Zack Snyder in some kind of interview said that there could be more things to be afraid of in this world. There's a lot of things in interviews. I don't think that's... So is George Lucas, I don't care. Yeah, I don't think we're ever gonna see something like that pan out, especially because it's like the MCU. It's like Kevin Feige going, don't be mad about the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 because there could be multiple mandarins. Isn't that actually happening now that they're having the proper Mandarin? Oh, are they? Yeah, I think so, yeah, because yeah. Well, anyway. I mean, I would still say you can't really use that as a defense for your shitty version of the Mandarin from Iron Man 3 without actually promising that there is going to be another Mandarin. Just going, oh, well, there could be multiple mandarins or there could be multiple Doomsdays. That's silly. That's a really shitty defense. It's really weak in lame, so. Some new human Kryptonian hybrid Doomsday. And this is why he looks so different.  By the way, this is a great time to point out that during the Doomsday battle, the very first thing Superman does is to punch him into space. Hi, I thought you said that. Also, you know what? I'm already worried. He's just going to come back down again. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that.  So I'm going to put up the copyright shield. But while you've got the copyright shield, I mean, this only brings up the issue of when he takes Doomsday into space, why doesn't he just push it? Just do nothing and just let Doomsday float away? I didn't mean copyright shield as in I'm pausing it, copyright shield is on screen now. You're going to see a 50% opacity EFAP symbol. Well, you guys won't, but Chad will. And trust me, Chad, it's for the sake of you guys, okay? The worst thing we could have is, yeah, you know. So if ever there's a confusion. It's for the greater good. Yeah, trust us. You need it to happen. Well, great, talk on. But we could do it earlier, so do not panic. Copyright shield activate. Anyway, yeah, so he's pointing out that, hey, isn't it good that Superman actually punches Doomsday, like one of the first sort of things he tries in the fight is this, which, yeah, you know what, clap. But that is good. Good job, good job. But unfortunately, this is what he says next. This is a great time to point out that during the Doomsday battle, the very first thing Superman does is to punch him into space, showing that he did indeed learn a few lessons from the end of the first movie. Doesn't really work, which proves my man of steel video, right? No, no, no.  So the issue that we have with Batman versus Superman where he's fighting Doomsday is that he takes Doomsday into space and he could have just pushed it. Doomsday cannot fly, right? Yeah, that's correct. So if you just push him into space, he's gone forever. He's, there's nothing that he can do. We don't even know that he can survive in space, just in general, but he certainly can't escape space or get back to Earth, so he's fucked, yeah. That's the interesting thing is this version of Superman, if he gets his powers from Earth's atmosphere rather than the sun, then that technically means that he couldn't go too far out into space, right? That's the theory. It gets a bit weird though, because when he's on Zod's ship, it's like, ah, you have no access to Earth's atmospherics, not the sun itself, just it's atmospherics. I thought it was a yellow sun. Which means Superman doesn't have access to Earth's atmospherics in space, because it's space. But he heals in space, so clearly it doesn't matter. But is he within, yeah, that's, is he still within Earth's atmosphere, though? No, I'm not accepting that, he's in space. Yeah, I mean, I agree that he's in space, it's just, I'm trying to get that possible defense covered. I don't accept that, personally. The whole reason being, and Zod didn't even learn how to fly until like later in the fight. Yeah, so you could have flown him in space, not would have been at it. Yeah, but he doesn't do it there. They miraculously happened to hit a satellite, a miraculous coincidence that they just happened to hit a satellite. And it crashes down to the kills even more people. That's just how it is. It's crazy, like he could easily send Doomsday out and Doomsday would never be an issue for Earth again. And the government decides to send Nuke Superman while he's carrying Doomsday away. Like, is that really a rational decision to make? Where hey, Superman is carrying the giant monster out into space. And we can assume that the monster isn't gonna fly back because we haven't seen the monster fly at all, it just jumps around. So let's just let Superman do his thing and punch him into space and not interfere. And what do they do? They interfere, and that causes the whole thing to fail. But even then- It is Superman's fault that this doesn't work. There's no one else to blame except for Superman for not just pushing Doomsday into space. I agree with you, it's mainly his fault, but my God, what the fuck, government? What are you doing? I think Meme Repository hasn't had it for this, but blowing up a Nuke that close to Earth, it'll wipe us out, or at least a severe portion of us.  Secondly, the fact that they suggest and successfully launch the Nuke in about 20 seconds from the moment Superman starts taking him up, that's just not a thing. It would never be that quick. And there's no deliberation about the idea that Superman can knock him into space, which is a clear win, but activated- Yeah. Nuke above Metropolis is probably not a good idea.  It's finished, there's nothing Doomsday can do once he's in space. It seems to blend from last time. He's gone. So we're getting a shitload of people in chat saying, well, to be fair, it's the government and the government is incompetent in real life. So of course not. Not that level of incompetence.  So just because someone- We're not the Avengers moller. Well, no, no, what I'm suggesting is blow up their own city for no reason, like no reason at all.   I would argue the Avengers are most reasonable to a degree. I agree. No, I was literally just saying that because I know that someone's going to say it.  Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it takes a lot longer. You got Superman is fighting him. And he delays them, fury does, I'm pretty sure.  He was like bull, I don't know. I'm calling him that because I'm assuming he will turn out to be that 100%, I don't know. I just want to add that even if we blame the fact that it didn't work, that Superman wasn't able to send Doomsday into space entirely on the government, that doesn't excuse that he didn't do this with Zod in the first movie. It doesn't vindicate you for saying he shouldn't have tried it. No, it doesn't vindicate at all. Yeah, it's bizarre. I don't know, I guess I got a scatter shot to fire rags, I don't know why I'm doing this, but I do, and all of that misses by luck, it just happens to miss him. And he's like, see, there was no point in firing the gun, it was just gonna miss anyway. Like that's an interesting conclusion you've drawn there.  Superman can travel like the speed of sound. Oh wait, sorry, he can travel faster than the flash. Yes, he can travel faster than the flash, everybody. He's gonna boom into Doomsday, and Doomsday's just gonna go, whoa, into the sun, probably, he's just gonna go, oh god. Yeah, none of it makes sense. And somehow in this scene, they are both, it looks to be that Superman grabs him by the head and then his head, it takes the nuke hit, Superman flings into space, and Doomsday just rockets down to Earth. It's like how? The physics of that are nonsense. Yeah, Doomsday rockets down to Earth. Superman floats around up there, I guess. It's like, imagine if Superman had crashed down and Doomsday had floated away. Imagine they both floated away.  What's that about? And why would that even have happened? Why wouldn't they just blast away from the nuke?  And I just like that he's like, see the writers accounted for it. No, they didn't. They didn't at all. I say that take up into this guy isn't the end-all solution people seem to think it is. But it is. But it is. That's the thing, it is. It is.  Also, why doesn't he do it again?  Exactly. It's so funny.  Superman can exist in space. He can breathe up there. He could fly around. He is super strength. He has laser vision. When you give him all of these attributes, a lot of potential opportunities are opened up and you have to account for those. I really just hate the defense that, oh, why didn't this character do this thing that would be a totally common sense move to do if they had their attributes and powers and everything. And the defense is, well, because it might not work. Like, okay, try it anyways. It could work. To the people who are still saying the government would absolutely do it, whether or not they would fire the nuke is not something I necessarily have the issue with. It's just the speed in which they decide it.  Like, whoa. Whoa, calm down. He's going into space, it's over.  Like no intelligent person would look at that. Huh? It's crazy that they would fire it just above Metropolis.  Yeah, for maximum damage to the city? It's fine, they've recovered since last time. It's about time.  It's empty. All right, Metropolis. Someone said, I guess Rags is big brain compared to mid-level, yeah? Compared to who? Compared to mid-level YouTubers. I was like, well, yeah, we all are. Yeah, we're high-level YouTubers. I agree. We are smarter than the mid-level YouTubers we clearly cover on this show all the time.  That's how you derive an intelligent scale. Have you been watching this video with us?  I'd also like to point out that he phrases it like, oh, see Superman clearly, he's learning, but also he shouldn't have done it in the beginning, anyway, because it wouldn't have worked. So is it a lesson he needed to learn about good strategy or was it pointless that he shouldn't have done it at all, because it didn't work? So I was like considering he just came from space. Like, he was just up there and he flies down. I feel like the whole scattershot thing is a pretty good way of summarizing his defenses of these movies. He just throws it like, with attacking you guys for doing it offline, it's the same sort of thing. He's just like, oh, what about this and also this? Who cares if they contradict? So I just wrote out like the government would have planned to use it against a Superman level threat they had. One, this is all laid in place. They just needed the okay. That's my issue. They wouldn't have gotten the okay. They wouldn't have gotten it. Yeah, there's no way they would have committed to a nuclear bomb over a very, very highly populated city like Metropolis when that quickly, when Superman was there, Superman killed the last threat of this level. And now that Superman's back and is fighting this threat, they should go, oh, Superman is currently currently in the middle of bringing him into space, which is an intelligent and very simple way of dealing with the threat. I just want to clarify that. I just want to let him do his thing for a few minutes and see what happens. The idea is like, but the government would try and use a nuke on a horrible doomsday monster. It's like, that's really not the question at hand whether or not they would nuke that thing. That's not what we're asking. Yeah, because Superman exists in this universe and everyone knows about him and they're watching him do things and fighting this creature and he killed the last threat of this level to the world. Yeah, they should be just watching Superman and seeing how things play out. Well, anyway. Doomsday comes right back down to Earth where the only thing they can kill him with is that, why is that a person? Why is it that doomsday comes back? How could this have possibly occurred? I guess you didn't, you weren't paying attention. There was a big roof on Earth when you get high enough and you bounce right back down. Oh, that's the firmament. So yeah, you can't really boot anybody into space and that kind of answers that in Man of Steel. You see Superman knew that. He forgot it in this movie, though. Does that mean that the moon landing was faked in this universe? Well, yes. No, the moon landing was real. It's just that the moon is very low and it goes in a circle around the flat Earth. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's how it works, I guess. Crazy. There you go. Batman's Kryptonites. Oh well, whoops, I guess we miscounted that one.  Yeah, go back, I don't get it. Turns out doomsday comes right back down to Earth where the only thing that can kill him is Batman's Kryptonite spear. Oh well, oh well, whoops, I guess we miscounted that one. So he's calculated what one? If you didn't get the impression he was smugged from those screenshots, that'll probably do it. He thinks he's so right, he's making fun of the people for suggesting putting doomsday into space all of Zod. You don't have to kill him.  So you don't have to take, doomsday doesn't have to die in space, he can just keep floating into the vacuum of the dark abyss forever. In fact, like that's fine. It's probably gonna be really easy for Superman to actually boop him into the sun because he can't do anything about it really. Yeah, he could have just taken him to the sun and pushed him towards the sun and he grabbed him and sucked him in. Slowly floats towards the sun, like no. There's nothing he can do. Yeah, absolutely, for years and years and years he just floats towards the sun. Just getting hotter and hotter. Slowly, yeah, he's like, oh, sweating. Maybe he can fly in space by firing his laser and he just goes the opposite direction wherever he looks.  When they grab him in cartoons, they just go, wee. This guy hasn't thought this out at all. Nope. Is there any reason why Superman didn't try and get him back up into space again? Nope. No, he just doesn't. This guy actually. Because we already did that for the movie.  Like, yep, nope, there's no way that would work. It's like, you. Mike. My interpretation is that's because Superman got nuked the first time he was like, dad, I'm just gonna send another nuke at me if I do that again. He's just nuking me. There's just you. Well, so that's another problem. Superman doesn't account for the nuke really at all. Like all of his options, he could have gotten out of the way of the nuke for one that could have been a move. He could have like made sure the doomsday is in its way, but then left him like his doomsday can't move while in the air, if you know what I mean. So once he's lined up and of course, Superman can fly out of the blast zone of a nuke before it would catch him, probably again, speed of the flash is fucking. No, he insists on staying in the blast zone of the nuke. And then of course that it caught up to him at all.  You know, there's so many things, man. It's so annoying.  I like that our bar is so low that he decides to try and use space as a weapon to his benefit. And now we're like, yes. He is now intelligent again. It's like, oh, just that. And doing it once as well. If it doesn't work, that's how it goes. What are you saying, Calvin? I'm saying it's unkillable. How have you determined this? He thinks that that's supporting the whole kryptonite spear thing. Wonder Woman's sword can cut off his limbs. Yeah, yeah.  If he, if she stabbed him with that sword, I assume it would kill him.  It's just a normally, we didn't even know what sword it is, but the point is obviously- It's just her sword. I think it's safe to assume it's a special sword, but like we don't know it's real full properties, but I mean, there it is. Could actually be possible to- Could actually be possible to choke it to death with the lasso of truth. Because the lasso of truth like, kind of wraps around them and like weakens them. And one of Superman's canonical weaknesses, at least in the comics, is magic, which I believe would include the lasso of truth. So if that's the case, then wouldn't other Kryptonian beings like Doomsday be weak to magic? Possibly, but we haven't, we haven't really gone your answers for that in the movie. I don't even know that they've done the whole well he's weak to magic thing yet. Like, in any way. But yeah, I just find it interesting that it's like he's unkillable because we tried to nuke him and it didn't kill him, but it also didn't kill Superman. And like, it's just weird. And he's like, this supports the evidence that he should only be trying to use kryptonite rather than space. It's like, no, it actually doesn't.  Well just throw him into space. Throw him into space and just do nothing.  And if ever you come back to doing this again, he's like, okay. Yeah, but in space, he can't defend himself from being sad with kryptonite if you really want to make sure he's dead. Oh yeah. Space is a good place to do that. You sort of get closer and closer and he's like, no, stop. No, you're gonna, no, don't do it. You're like, sorry dude, but like, I don't know.   Okay, can't tell you. Why does Batman lead Doomsday back to the city? What's this voice? I don't know, but so this is a very valid criticism. And before he lines up his defense of it, you picture, do you remember when it crashed lands and they have that really awkward line where they go, he's on like Riker Island or something and he goes, it's uninhabited. Yeah.  Maybe if I can find the visual because basically like Riker Island is quite, it seems that Snyder was very aware of everybody shitting on him for the previous movie. And so it's like, it's a relatively big island, at least comparative to Doomsday and there's lots of water surrounding it. And then there's, I guess, Metropolis and Gotham on either side. And so it's like really good. Thus, if you could get here, Doomsday into any position, that's probably the most ideal in the situation. Like for miles and miles and miles, that's probably the best place for him to be.   So it's a really bizarre choice. Yeah, had Wonder Woman not showed up or she just didn't exist. That's game over for him and the world. Yeah, that's actually something that, with mentioning, he was incredibly lucky that Wonder Woman decided to fight and she showed up at that moment. If she was even a minute later, he'd be dead.  She was still in DC saving pedestrians and antique stores, they fucked. My interpretation is that she was just watching on a nearby statue that she was posing on and once Batman crashed in his bat wing, she figured, ah, this is my cue.  She's very, she fights very differently in BBS than her movies as well. She's very like, she comes across as she enjoys fighting but not in her movies. Right, here we go. Let me take that off for a second. The copyright cover so you guys can see it. Should be okay. Yeah, I mean, it's just slightly cleaner. So that's the island that Doomsday is on and of course that's Gotham and Metropolis as is laid out. Why would you want to move him away from there? That's perfect. Yeah.  It seems pretty, pretty amazing. Extremely convenient that that's where he lands. Like, wow. Yeah, it's uninhabited. Wow. Everyone, it's uninhabited. An uninhabited piece of land. Is it inhabitable? I don't know. It's not habitable if Doomsday's on it.  Two, Batman shouldn't be risking his own life because he's the one that's just figured out the best way to probably kill it. And three, by taking him to the spear, he's very likely gonna drag it through other places that very likely will be inhabited. Everyone follow that? Yeah, those three arguments are pretty solid, I think. Let's see how he does. Boy.  You know, Wonder Woman asks him the same question and he answers in English with his words and his...  No, he's awfully smug for someone who's defending one of the shittiest movies that have probably ever been made. He thinks he's so right when... Did he watch the movie? It's almost like we haven't even... So like, you know the set information we all have before either of us, we either defend or attack the movie is Batman wants to get the spear. That's the baseline information. We all understand that and then we make the arguments on top of it. And he's gonna be like, that's what Batman says. He's like, I'm trying to get the spear.  Brigadier did the Gotham, he's like, oh, the spear. That's not an answer. Yeah, he strips that answer. What we're trying to say is, no, but he's wrong. He should have just gotten the spear and then gone back. I don't care what his answer is because it was a bad story. No, Leo was right to slap Poe because the movie says so. It's in the movie, guys. Were you paying attention? Yeah, didn't you watch the movie? Yeah, why did you lure the big monster to the inhabited area rather than just go to the inhabited area by yourself without luring the monster over here? Well, I think there's a wine in the movie that free gives a reason. But like, his logic will be, oh, but it's abandoned. It's like, yeah, but the rest of the city isn't, which he's very close to and can just walk around it. It's not like there was a straight line and then even if he gets to the spear, you're taking him closer to populated areas where he was in a safe zone.   You're like, I'm hungry. See, there's the reason. It's like, so that doesn't. Yeah, did you not listen to him? He said he was hungry.  He said it in English. It was in the movie. With the answer. What did you bring him back to the city? The port is abandoned. There's a weapon here that can kill it. The port is abandoned. Why would you leave him to the port? That's the third line of the movie. First off, how do you know the port is abandoned? Two, why would you, the port is in Metropolis. No, it's in Gotham. It's in Gotham. Oh, Gotham, inhabited city. Well, yeah, of course. Take your pick of which one. This is where it's getting a little bit weird because it's like, why would the area of the port and the surrounding area all be safe to just crash doomsday around on? Like, why would you even want to risk it? Yeah, what if it wasn't abandoned? Gotham port had its chance. I just don't know where in any major city is it completely abandoned at any point in time. He's bringing him closer to Gotham. Why would you do that? You're Batman.  If anything, he would drag him toward Metropolis. Total catastrophe. It makes no sense whatsoever, no matter how you slice it. Yeah, what you actually have him do is fly over to where the spear was, grab it, get back in his thing and fly back.  He's been attacking the abandoned island while you've been gone. He's like, oh no. Think of the wildlife. Think of the bacteria. Think of the real estate value. The dirt is churned and burned.  What did you bring him back to the city? The port is abandoned. There's a weapon here that can kill it. And what exactly is your alternative? What? And also, like, this assumes that Doomsday will be doing the things that you want him to do. Yeah. Like, what if Doomsday just doesn't? What if he fucks off somewhere else? This was, I think- What if he's concerned about Superman and so he leaves or goes another place? I think this came up in the E5 movies where it's like, imagine he didn't attack Doomsday to make him follow him.  He just looks around at his little island like, what a weird life I have. What a life I have. I am like seven minutes old. I am so confused. I'm very angry. I have spikes now. I don't know. I don't know my shapes or my colors. I don't know the alphabet. I am just a mess. And whatever argument you want to make, the damage you'll do to Rikers Island, it's like, it'll do it to Gotham. So why would you even want to go anywhere near this argument? There's a weapon here that can kill it. And what exactly is your alternative at the moment? For Batman to go and get the spear and bring it back to where Doomsday is? Yes. Yes, exactly that. That's the one. Yeah, resounding yes. That is a yes. How about Batman uses his bat duct tape. He duct tapes the spear to a rocket and then he fires the rocket at Doomsday. How about that? That's the bat wing. The Wonder Woman could go get it. Yeah, you could do that too. Batman could go have one of Alfred's robots go do it. He could have the police do it. He could have, he could call someone. He was like, hey, at this location, there's a spear. We need it to get to Rikers Island. I like as well.  Like, it was a fair argument to make. He does, yeah.  It's Wonder Woman that saves him. Have any of us also mentioned the fact that Lois Lane threw the spear in a place that Batman didn't see? So even if he got back to where he had left the spear with Doomsday right on his tail, that he wouldn't have been able to find the spear in time because Lois Lane threw it in a puddle. He didn't know of. And the film did.  Yeah, well, it's a mystery. Lois is running around and she spots the fight happening and she goes, ah, the spear. It's like, what, what? What?  It's gotta happen. Otherwise the film won't end. And you're like, okay, that's fair. And Doomsday's just waiting for him to get back. It's much smarter for Batman to lead.  So if he doesn't move, or if it's like saying, well, maybe he would have done the thing that we would have had him do in our terrible plan. Also, he's literally standing here right now on the images that you're showing on screen. Yeah, Batman baits his weaponry and then he pulls him into Gotham. How is that better than leaving him to maybe use his weaponry on an abandoned island? Worst case scenario, nothing would have changed. Best case scenario, he's still on the island. This reminds me of the defenses from the Hux thing in TLJ where they're like, what if he destroyed the ship and then the base, what if the whole planet disappeared? What if the base ran away? You gotta make sure you destroy the base. What if, even if the rat escapes, they can catch the rat. It's like, why are you doing this?  This is nuts. It's like you're camping in the woods and you come across this rabid grizzly bear on like crystal meth or something. And you've got a rifle that's perfectly capable of taking it out in your tent where the rest of your family is.  There's a weapon there that can kill it.  That's like the simplest way. It's a pretty acting out of the chief. It's just simplifying it to like something that could happen in the real world. I mean, I agree. Doomsday is like a grizzly bear on meth, I would say. That's about right. And if you leave a grizzly bear alone on an island who's had meth, you might not do anything. He might just sit there. You might? Yeah. I wanna see that movie where they all leave him alone. Doomsday's just like, he starts to tear it up. He's like, I don't like this. I don't like being alone. I don't, like, oh man. And around waiting for him to get back, it's much smarter for Batman to leave Doomsday to an area he knows is abandoned rather than leave him to run off some work. He doesn't know that though. He says it, but he doesn't know that. Also, it's right next to the city that isn't abandoned. Yeah, sorry, the island is abandoned. You can keep, if Doomsday sees Batman flies away to get the spear and then he's like, you know what, I'm hungry for human flash and jumps all the way over to Metropolis to stop burning everything. And it's like, damn, if only I'd made him follow me, this wouldn't have happened. Like, well, yeah, he could do that anyway. Yeah. You can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to. Like, I gotta be honest with Batman here, it's like, we need you alive.  You need to be alive. Like, I feel like it trumps everything. It's got a laser that can vaporize your ship as long as he looks at you. Like, just please, you need to be alive. It's miraculous that he didn't shoot Batman out of the sky. Well, he did. He does that, like, on the screen. He does that thing where he just, like, looks right behind the ship perpetually instead of just looking at it. Oh, well, yeah, he keeps missing until he, like, clips a wing and then he crashes and it's like, right, even though...  It's moving. Okay.  Did you think nobody else would find it? So, my criticism of it would just be it's bizarre. She decides, I need to throw this in a pool. Like, okay? Yeah, it is really weird. It's fairly natural to me. And then a pool of water. And yeah, and then it just, I'm happy with it, though, because it sets up the really funny of her drowning herself. Like, I was super humbled with it. I think it was a really great payoff. She's the candidate of all of this. Gin's for you. Number one. Again, what exactly is your alternative? Leave it. Nothing.  It's actually really easy. Nothing, just leaving it there. What is your alternative to picking it up? Not picking it up. Wait, what does she do after she threw it in? She just hung out there, right? She just leaves and then she sees the fight that's going on.  That'll be useful. It's such a weird moment there. This is a really valuable thing. Throw it in this pool of water. Because at the time, it was just like a pool of water. You could see it glowing down at the bottom. What did she think that would accomplish? I don't know. I honestly have no idea. What about all the people who come here to the rubble to clean it up and everything? Is Superman not going to ask, where is that spear? Is Batman not going to ask, where is that spear? Are they not going to go back and find it? Because she just walks a little bit and throws it in a pool of water. Walk around with it in this. What does it accomplish? It put it in a pool and then she drowned. That's what it accomplished. Alternative. Was she supposed to walk around with it in the street? Who's to say Lex Luthor's goons weren't hanging around to make sure everything goes to plan? Why wouldn't if you bring up Lex Luthor's goons looking for kryptonite into the equation, why wouldn't they have just come here looking for it and found it? It's glowing in a pool of water. Do you know what I mean about the desperation to defend the movie?   And he's like, what if there's Lex Goons? What if they want to see it? I guess not a movie can swim. Yeah, I mean, the Goons... Well, she moved it 20 feet to the left in this pool of water, so they won't find it. I would say it's too late if there were Goons. They would have gotten to her and the spear by now if there were Goons. Like Lex Luthor was able to find a, like a, if Bruce Wayne could find that chunk of kryptonite in the ocean that the Pearl Divers found on some island in the middle of nowhere. Then I'm pretty sure that Lex Luthor Goons could find this right next to where it was left. To clarify, that was Randy's found the kryptonite and Lex tried to import it. Then it was blocked by the Senate.  And then Batman stole it from him. Just to, just because I know someone's gonna be like, wow, Rags, it wasn't Bruce that found it in the stupid... Whoever it was, it doesn't even matter who it was. I know. Have any, in fact, having it not be Bruce makes my argument better. Well, yeah, it was Lex's, Lex's Goons. It was Lex's Goons. These Goons, they're good. Nigga, number two, whoever said she... But they can't take it from this water pool. That would not have been possible. They can't swim. Leave it there. Wouldn't it make sense that she was getting it out of the way for the time being until all of the crises were averted and Lex Luthor was behind bars? So she was just gonna come back for it later and there would have been no investigation or any of these factions or groups coming to look for the kryptonite spear? So he's arguing she was hoping to hide it so that it couldn't hurt Superman. And then, oops, she decided, oh, this is the one thing I need now. I don't see how she could ever conclude that because that just supports the idea that she would want it even further out of play. If Superman is battling someone, let's involve the spear that makes him so he can't even walk. It's like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Also, she didn't, why not run a little farther and throw it in the ocean or something? This is the best you could do. Why is there a submerged like room in this building? Because that is high tide. It's high tide. Apparently whole sections of this city are just abandoned. Under what? In being, until all of the crises were averted and Lex Luthor was behind bars and then someone she trusts could come back and get it later when the world wasn't coming to an end? Because that's right.   That's amazing. Batman, like, what do you really think?     Lex is goons. So the next one is why does Superman fly the kryptonite spear into doomsday getting himself killed in the process? They could have figured out some other way.  You don't even need the spear. It's all good. Everything worked out. High five everybody. Yes, because we know that her sword can chop off body bits. But how about we do a different one, which is Superman take the spear to Wonder Woman, tell her that this put through its chest will kill it. So Batman, gas grenade, Wonder Woman go and Superman's gonna have to stay away because kryptonite hits him. Yep. There you go. I came up with two. They have the equipment. They have the materials. They act as if they should. They just don't do it. I picture this as the kind of person though that would say, yes, Wonder Woman can cut through his arm but his neck muscles are far stronger. You've been job flexing. Yeah. What if she used the lasso? Okay, she tied the lasso around him and then got him to see the truth of his ways and that he was being a meanie.  He's just like, I always wanted to be a farmer. I wanted to be a hairdresser. On a farm. On a farm. On a farm. The man for kryptonite spear into doomsday getting himself killed in the process. They could have figured out some other way. Oh, you mean like we just did? People just hear. Hence why it's going to be interesting to see what his response is because there's only 30 seconds before we'll be switching videos. This scene is purposefully set up so that the threat is too great and the time too short to come up with any other way. Nope. That's not true at all though. Wrong. That's not true at all. Do you know how fast thoughts happen? Well, what's pretty cool is, check this out. I don't think he does for X, unfortunately.  I can tell that to Rax pretty quick. I just did, actually. Right there. Here you go. Rax do it. Throw the grenade. I can't throw it because I have a gas mask that could hit me. I haven't been killed. It's just playing with me. There's no time. It's like, no time to do what? There's no time for me to tell you the plan.  It's like, no, there is no time for me to tell you the plan. Can't happen.  You could do it on a side language.  When he is stunned, stab him with the spear, the pointy end, okay? And she's like, she gets it enough. She's not that bright, but she gets it.  High five. And then the movie's over and everyone lived happily ever after, except for us, because we had to watch it. The three heroes, Superman is the only one that knows where the kryptonite is and the only one able to get it. Yeah, and then you can give it to them. Yeah. Because he's a person who can provide other things to other people. This is also assuming that Batman or Wonder Woman can go to the place. Because if you sent them to this place, they'd be like, oh, where's the spear? Oh, it's over there in that pool of green water. Why is this here? Oh, well, I'll ask them about it later. Also, can we just ask why Superman chooses to stab Doomsday through the chest rather than the head with the spear? Wouldn't the head be a way to go? Hasn't he seen Infinity War? The other keeping Doomsday busy. I could think of a few ways that could have changed this scene to allow for a happier ending. Oh. Why doesn't he hold it further away from himself? I don't know.  Very well.  It's weird how kryptonite works, especially the spear, because it only kills Doomsday after it goes all the way through him and now the kryptonite's no longer in Doomsday's body. Well, it's further away from him, yeah. It's weird. It don't make sense. It's also enough to prevent Superman from getting up at all, but in this scene, he's able to fly with it. It's like, all right. Interesting. Good point, Chad. Why doesn't he throw it? It's a spear. That's another good question, one that we will probably get no answers for. I mean, I guess I'm willing to accept that he's not strong enough to throw it, but I mean, he can fly. So like, he's clearly got some strength going. And of course, Wanda would like it. At least he could at least like it. My Batman could throw it, because he's a person who made it to use. It's also worth remembering, this is an amazing tool against a Kryptonian.  Oh, I've got gingivitis. So like, yeah. I got herpes. You go over to Wanda Woman, be like, seriously, this thing? Oh, it's like, it's like a cheat code. It's so good. Just go over there. You should use it against that bad man right there.  You're, especially when you consider Wanda Woman has super practice with like obsolete melee weapons. So she would be the perfect person to use a spear in this scenario. You look at her like you know. And she has super speed. You know how to do it. Yeah, she's super fast. She could run over to grab it and come back. I could think of a few ways that they could have changed this scene to allow her a happier ending. But it would defeat the purpose of the scene. Also, I don't care about the purpose of the scene. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, I just wanna catch that in full a second. Where the kryptonite is and the only one able to get it. The other two are busy keeping doomsday. Someone in chat brought up a good point. They said the bat spear is calibrated to Batman. So Superman can't throw it and hit. That's very, very true. That is very true. Well, if they call Alfred on the phone, surely he can recalibrate it for them. Yeah, he can recalibrate it on the mainframe. On the mainframe. Quick, use your hacking. I'm in. I think of a few ways that could have changed this scene to allow for a happier ending. But it would defeat the purpose of the scene, which is to have Superman sacrifice himself to save humanity. I don't care.   Yeah, this is horrific. Just piece of advice. You can use this argument forever with everything. Literally anything. It doesn't matter how bad it is. If it wasn't that way, then it wasn't the point. You see, because that's the point. Hux didn't shoot the rat because it wasn't supposed to be shot in the scene. Like, that's why you didn't shoot it. As long as the scene has a purpose to fulfill a plot point, it is OK. It doesn't matter how the execution goes. OK, then Civil War is better.    Yeah, well, we had to have Superman sacrifice himself.  Yeah, so we're going to have to work really hard to make this work.  Doesn't even shoot through anything. And I just complain even harder if Superman lived through the death of Superman story arc. No.  Oh my god. No, I wouldn't. We will be complaining. Why did Superman die in the death of Superman? You're like, what do you mean? It wouldn't be the death. That's not what the name of the movie is. It's called BVS Dawn of Justice. When I watched these the first time, I had no idea this was the death of Superman arc. I just thought these were shitty movies. I had no idea that was like the arc they're going for. Plus, this movie is called Dawn of Justice. I would not assume that Superman dies when he's in the Justice League and this movie is called Dawn of Justice. Well, why would I? I, I, eh. It's a really good argument. What is this? What is this trash? I like how I like how they are like trying to fake us out to fake.  He's totally dead, guys. Two movies into our DC extended universe. Superman is dead. It's like, okay, so Justice League. I don't believe you. The movie we're supposed to have all these heroes together now has to waste time to bring Superman back from the dead, which we're not going to care about because we barely had any sort of emotional connection with this version of Superman who is like the shittiest superhero ever. Oh my, it's just, it's a disaster. I don't see you. The side of cut's not going to be good. I don't know why he wouldn't have understood what he was writing this that he'd given up when he said, but it's the point. Like, yeah, we understood that that was the point. Yes, and all films can be justified with this. It's the point. What? Because that's what the script said and nothing.   A man lived through the death of Superman story arc by throwing a kryptonite spear through Doomsday's chest from 300 yards away. That would be great. I mean, she can throw it.  If that hits some guy, he'd be dead. Why did they have to use- And that's what I was gonna say. We would carry on with this video, but we gotta move on to the other video. That was just a primer. How excellent are these men's defenses? Fabulous. They were just, they were magical. And now, they were unbelievable. Crazy because- Sorry. Yeah. We're moving on to, we're keeping the format and the man himself, but now we're moving on to trying to justify Lex Luthor and his, what you could call, motivation.   So that's your baseline history. Really embarrassing. And then it moves on to him describing power being something that cannot be innocent. And if God was all powerful, that means he should have been able to stop Lex's dad from beating him and he didn't.  And that means that all powerful equals all evil or can't be all good and should be stopped. And he then says, we need a silver bullet for God's. And so with Superman, he's designing his silver bullet being kryptonite. And so if you stop there, you'd be like, so he just wants powerful people to not exist, I guess. He just doesn't like it. Well, yeah, because if you're powerful, you can't be all good.  Then he gets really weird because he's like, I guess pro Batman, but not really, he doesn't really get an opinion on that.  And then he's going to aim to push Superman to want to kill Batman. And so if you disregard everything I just said, this gets weird because it seems to me that he's excited to have them duel in general. Like he calls it. Yeah, he's like excited.  It's strange. He's like, oh, I'm so excited, can't wait for it.   And it's like, how does this, like what does that have to do with what Lex wants?  I'm lost. It's totally lost. It really seems that it becomes, he just wants to stir the pot and see what happens. Yeah, because that's what it turns into. I think that's bad enough in terms of just, he's made choices that have nothing to do with what I thought he wanted. And then he creates Doomsday.  It's like, oh, well, he describes him as he's Superman's Doomsday.  Also, if he kills Doomsday, or Doomsday kills Superman like you think he will, that'll leave Doomsday around. Exactly. It's like, what do you want? He came out to call Doomsday. And so, what's the issue after? Well, if Lex's issue is that we can't have super powerful entities be around because they're not all good. That means he's appealing to goodness. I assume so that the world won't get destroyed and people get destroyed and all that stuff, but he creates Doomsday with the intention of him destroying Superman so that now he's just replaced Superman with Doomsday. Instead of having a not all good superhero, he creates a literally all evil superhero. Why? Oh, God, guys, guys. It's the guy that says BVS is good in Civil War is bad saying Doomsday would never live if Superman died. Why? Lex made a timer to have time to kill Doomsday if Superman dies. With what? He doesn't have kryptonite. He's lost all of his kryptonite. Batman. This is not in the movie. Black psoriasis of the heart. This is the guy that says that Zebo is a terrible villain in Civil War because his plan relies on Tony Stark being upset upon finding out that he killed his parents and not being willing to like listen to reason. And I'll be honest, you've just highlighted to me another issue. Why would Lex allow Batman to steal all of his kryptonite instead of like half of it? And then why wouldn't Lex have that be his contingency plan when Superman returns? Hey, that's too much.    And it's over. Oh, yeah. So thank you, Defender, for making the film worse. This is a commonality when it comes to EFAP. The film doesn't need your help to be bad. What timer? Like, that's not in the film at all. He gave him diabetes. But it's for diabetes. It's for Martha.  Why did you say that name? Yeah, the timer is just to indicate once Doomsday's finished cooking and when he's run out of time to save Martha. I think, yeah, the cookies are done. But like, the timer has nothing to do with killing Doomsday.  There's nothing that Lex has that can kill Doomsday.  I don't even think that he has to do any kind of activation for Doomsday. It just sort of erupts. This is a reminder of the Doc Ock set up cameras argument. That's what this is.  Is he trying to suggest that Doomsday is like in a microwave? And if he turns off the microwave at any point before go, that Doomsday won't have completed his gestation. Is that the argument? Because Doomsday's already wriggling around when Superman arrives. So like, that doesn't work either. But that would mean that even if the argument for Rags still stands that if he beats Superman, then what are you gonna do? You've got a giant orc monster that is probably twice as powerful as Superman, twice as angry and has no interest in helping people at all running around Metropolis. Yeah, he's just evil. He's just replaced Superman who at least is trying to be good and is mostly doing good, I guess, in a weird way. Like he's trying, God bless him. But you replace that with Doomsday. Why? You just reminded me of that.  In that scene, because it's really funny. I don't know. So you picture yourself as Batman, right?  But then before you leave, you're like, wait, is that a phone over there? Huh, walks over to the phone and he's like, oh, it's a direct line to Lex Luthor. I'll pick it up. And then he hears Lex Luthor say, is that the cook? I presume that she's dead.  And Batman just goes, I'd rather do the breaking in person.   He's such a weirdo.   There you go. You're running out of time there, Lex. And it just doesn't seem like a great plan, you know? But apparently the Kryptonian computer told him that if he was to drop a Kryptonian body into the goo and combine it with his blood, he would create a giant monster that is capable of killing Superman. And so we do it. Well, that's just assertive. Wait, how did he do that? The Kryptonian was actually done, presumably. Because that's the bio juice for the Krypton babies or something. So it only makes sense if you put Zod in there and your blood that it makes a super monster that could kill Superman. It's totally intuitive. There's nothing about that that doesn't make sense. Yeah, the UI is super easy to use.  What is any dude? I know you're evil. Yeah, if I was his assistant, you know, is that it? Yeah, well, I guess it's time to begin his view. I was gonna say Lex doesn't make any sense is the point of that. And Lex will never make any sense ever again because he's got all of the Kryptonian knowledge in his head. That's like a justification for how he does anything now. He spent like an hour in that computer and it's told him everything ever. By the way, the Kryptonian computer says, we have knowledge stored from over 100,000 planets. So it's confirmed that Krypton managed to spread to over 100,000 planets. Like it's not just that they spread for 100,000 years. When Krypton died, they all just stopped living. Yeah, they just abandoned all of them before they even died. 100,000 planets. They actually say, I think, at 100,000 worlds. So that could refer to systems. Is there any reason why Earth is so important to the dark side? Oh, I guess this is all gonna be fun to talk about when the Snyder cut falls out. Hey, his name sounds like the word's dark side. Yeah. Is he a villain? I hope so. It's cool. Oh my goodness gracious. He's like shadow the hedgehog. 100,000 planets had their chance. This is part three of my defense of Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman. Can you imagine having to say those words? Oh my God. It's like, I'm so sorry that you did this. All right, attempt to answer common criticisms about the film in order to show that there might be more to appreciate than people think. In part one. More to appreciate than people think, it's like, oh boy. Oh, you may appreciate how terrible it is. For this film's portrayal of Batman. And in part two, I covered its portrayal of Superman, as well as the fights he gets into. This time we'll go over the portrayal of Lex Luthor, as well as his oft-misunderstood master plan that drives the plot of the movie. I would love to see how he misunderstands that. Master plan, I love that. His master plan. Oh, this master plan that should have no way of working in any way whatsoever, and it manages to work anyways. Somehow. Just per se of years. Nick, that is a three syllable word for any thought too big for little minds. There's also a cringe line. That's not true though. That's a super cringe. It's also not true. So odd start, let's soldier forth. Next category, circles.  I think it's more broad. A lot of people who are super into like the Snyder stuff will always talk about how smart it is and the people, you know, one of the common ones is, oh, people hate what they don't understand. It's like, you guys gotta like, get off that. I hate it because I understand it. Well, if you remember, and I know this because of the red light media coverage in like an interview or a panel, even Ben Affleck said, he like, it was like too, the script was a little too intelligent for everybody. He couldn't quite understand all of it.  Also, I like that it's Jesse Eisenberg's master plan. He's not even next Luther. This Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor just isn't Lex Luthor.  Just do it. Tom Selleck is Lex Luthor. I'm like, okay. If they ended up with Daddy DeVito, I'd be like, well, I feel like I could probably do something with it. At least the film could say that it's playing him as a joke and I would have believed him. And yeah, and I would honestly be like, so you wanna go for this darker, more realistic take on the superhero world. Why not go with a safe adaptation of Lex Luthor as in like a ruthless businessman who's ready to take down the threats he perceives but he himself wants to be powerful, research wealthy, and like a lot of people say it and it just should happen. I think Brian Cranston would have been perfect. I think Lex Luthor from him. But I'm pretty sure- Mark Strong. Yeah, yeah, I'd be on board with that. I think there was a thing about someone asked him in some interviews, like, would he do it? He was like, yeah, I'd be on board to do that. It's like, they went with Jesse Eisenberg. It's like, okay then. Why? And also people have said that they thought, especially the way he acts in this movie that he might have made a better Joker, but it's not just that it's Jesse Eisenberg. His motivation seems to be chaos for chaos sake and that's quite a bit more like the Joker than Lex Luthor. From what I understand, I'm not super familiar. What's Lex Luthor supposed to be like, ideally? Like what's- I think pretty like, I mean, my impression from all the different Lexes I've seen is just that control, power, intelligence, wealth, like he's just a classic businessman in a way.  Tywin-ish. It's pretty easily. And- Yeah, a little bit. But of course, you don't have to do that, but I don't know why you wouldn't have, like honestly, but all right. Someone in the comments said Michael Sarah wasn't available. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's great. Older and bald with no hair. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor? Wait, isn't it too bald? He has no hair? Bald with no hair. Bald with no hair? Oh, damn. Like on his entire body? Like eyebrows and everything? Oh man. It almost felt like, yeah, like giving him that much hair was a very deliberate choice. It's like, look, he's not at all, he's going to become the Lex Luthor you know. You're like, right, okay. An imposing and older and bald with no hair. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is an attempt to update the character for a modern audience. That worked well. Right, right down to the bottom. That's why a modern audience has loved it. Updates the character. I bet Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is more adapted for a modern audience than this Lex Luthor. Hell yeah. I bet that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor is better adapted for a modern audience. They're probably all off. Come back. It's one thing to say that, hey, it's different, it's allowed to be different, which I totally agree with. But he's like, no, this is more updated. This is how it should be for a modern movie. Like, oh, come on. Now you're just, now you're not saying that, oh, it's different, it's allowed to be different. You're saying it's actually better that it's like this. What about old Lex Luthor as an archetype is ill-suited to modern audiences? It's very, I don't want to say typical, but fairly standard villain template.  Yeah. The workization of Lex compliment for my Superman because that's essentially what we tried to do with Man of Steel. He was reading a script, guys, don't listen to him. He was paid to do that. He doesn't mean it, he don't mean it. The modernization of Lex is a good compliment for my Superman because that's essentially what we tried to do with Man of Steel was bring Superman to the present day in the modern world. And Lex is a facet of that. Rather than the tired old depiction of Lex Luthor as an entire. But those are all three different depictions. Is he really just gunning for like a while? What's with Chris Cooley in the middle? Look, he's wearing a suit. So the new Lex can't be wearing a suit. Yeah, if you need an evil, maniacal, crazy, ideologue of a businessman, just have him like own a social media company or something. Well, that's probably what they were going for. I think so, yeah. Of course, he was Mark Zuckerberg in the social network. And he's not like, but I don't, I don't know. Like this is the thing, you've got a lot of different, my God, that's terrifying. You've got so many different options. And I guess they, as Henry said, and I guess they all agree, the best complimented this Superman. Which in some ways is true, I suppose. It's all terrible.  I just wouldn't have recommended it myself. An evil capitalization of corporate greed. The filmmakers realized that the self-made billionaires of today are more likely to be philanthropists. Wait, but the top left would look way closer to a Luther archetype. Yeah, also, like you could, like if you don't think people wouldn't believe a billionaire could be evil, I don't know what to tell you. Also, it's a lot of anti-cooperate sense. This is, the audience changed now for me. Like this is all five of these people would probably be a hell of a lot more compelling in the movie than whatever the character they tried to generate in this movie was. They're not insane. Like one of them is a memelord, that's not a real one. Lex Luther in this movie isn't a self-made billionaire. His dad, he inherited it. Oh, that's true. Yeah, he never talks about his achievements. He just sort of fell into the business. It's not even apt to compare him to Jeff Bezos. So like Elon Musk. I'd actually quite like an affable Lex Luther that's very charismatic and doesn't seem villainous at all for much of the movie. I think that'd be interesting. Well, maybe he only ever shows that side, like in secret sort of thing. Yeah, like, you know, when you first see him for the first few scenes that he's in, he's very likable. You almost kind of root for him. I think that'd be an interesting way to take it because the character of Lex Luther kind of relies on him having good publicity. So I think really trying to nail that would make for a solid depiction of Lex Luther. Not guy that, you know, shoves Jolly Ranchers into Senator's mouths. I don't buy him as the CEO of this massive company. Like in that everyone who works for him is like, oh yeah, totally fine with it. He's clearly insane. And I guess I just find it amusing. He's like, oh, the archetype of the bold guy in the suit. It's like, it's not what we have today shows us a bold guy in a suit. Okay. It's a bold strategy. It's evolved in the tech industry. People like Mark Zuckerberg, for example. And so who better to play him than Mark Zuckerberg himself? We wanted a character who would show us exactly what a genius entrepreneurial businessman. No, so you failed magnificently. Excellent, thank you. Stop saying this thing. You don't even have him act like Mark Zuckerberg in the social network. You have him act like auditioning for the Joker. He is quite a character in the show's network. It's a good movie. I would recommend it. In this, he's just really annoying. And I guess to get more substantive than that, you don't understand him at all. It's really confusing in every scene. He's, he just don't get it. Conflicting motivations throughout. And like all of his lines are attempting to be really, the weird lofty, I think, where he says something quirky and pretentious. A combination of quirky and lofty, like he says it. And it's like, oh, how weird that you said that.  The angels, they come from below. Well, you're like, and you're like, all right, that's it. Whether it's a Steve Jobs or the guys who started Google. Do you know that all those people have personalities though?  It's like, probably not. You're like, Mark Zuckerberg, is this you?  Like, I'm not that overtly evil. Yeah, he's closer to like Superman. He's like an alien. They've not got it right, you know? Jeff, we wanted a young, compelling guy to play that role. This new Lex Luthor is more concerned with elevating his public image than he is with merely accumulating- No, he's not. No, he's not. When was that a part of the thing that he did? What? This is like the one scene that he does anything close to that, but the purpose of this is to put Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne in the room. At least I thought it was. Because he wants to- I thought so? Like, I don't remember what this is for outside of that. The whole, like, he wants the public to see him as- He has to make him aware of each other. I don't remember that being an element in the movie. Remember when he gets on the stage, he gives a really unnerving speech, where he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.  He like has these random outbursts where he's yelling. Yeah. I love the idea. Public image. Very cool. Let's leave the caring about everyone admiring him and stuff, but like, they didn't do that with this. And wealth. This revision of the character wasn't planned from the beginning. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Zack Snyder revealed that Jesse Eisenberg was originally supposed to play Jimmy Olson. What? The photographer from the beginning who's shot in the head. After watching his performance of Lex Luthor, I really want to see the cut where we see Jesse Eisenberg get shot in the head. What an upgrade. You're like, you're gonna be in it for one minute.  You're like, oh, cool. But during his audition, he culled in difference about the film's subject matter. That Zack began to think that this was what the smartest man in the world might be like in real life. What? Oh my God. Smartest man in the world. Wow. Why would you put this in your video? This is awful. The smartest man in the world. Oh my goodness. I think Zack Snyder is actually a 14 year old. The smartest man in the world would conclude. It explains everything. The writing, the characterization.  You're like, why? I can't believe it. What? Real life. Ego-driven sociopath with more than a few personality defects. He's dealing with a lot of what we would consider kind of modern psychological problems. What? Modernist problems. Okay. Much as my dad doesn't love me. Like, okay. Relatable. Oh my God. Very modern. I'm glad there's tape on the ground so he knows where to stand. I'm glad those images of his incredible character in the background to just illustrate how wonderful he was. So memorable. And we've probably diagnosed him today as some kind of narcissistic sociopath or something where he doesn't. Why would you let someone do that to you? Why would you do this in your footage? Just why? This is what narcissistic sociopaths do. They shove jolly rats. Clearly it is vitally unstable so he slides jolly wretches in your bow. It's cherishable. And he's a narcissist sociopath and everyone's fine with him. Like, everyone's like, oh yeah. This is what a narcissist sociopath will give you candy. Put it in your mouth and be really free to guess it. You'll slide that sucker right in your lips. And they made it so weird.  He, like, offers it. And the guy's like, no. And then he goes, it's cherry. As if, like, of course you want it. It's cherry. You're like, what the? Do you think that the original actor for Lex Luthor was Kevin Spacey? But they had to fire him because he wouldn't do this scene if the actor that he's shoving a jolly rancher into is above age. That was a long joke for a payoff that everyone's shoal. I, but I appreciate it. I understand. Doesn't have, you know, maybe like kind of empathy. He sees people as kind of, you know, paper dolls, to keep this read. He sees people as paper dolls. Does he? Okay. What do you mean by paper dolls? Like, did he mean puppets? Paper doll, like things that he can play with? I don't, I'm not sure. No one would say, no one would say paper dolls if they meant puppets, surely. Like, paper dolls must be like its own thing. Let me Google that. Maybe paper dolls are a thing. Doesn't have, you know, what we would consider maybe like kind of empathy. He sees people as kind of, you know, paper dolls, pawns. Paper dolls, what's a pawn? Yeah, they're just like, they're just pictures of things. Oh. So he sees people as like hollows at the point, I guess. It's not even hollow. They're two dimensional. Oh, he sees people as two dimensional then, I guess. Reminds me of him. All right. Oh, pawns. I thought he said pawns as in like P-O-N-S.  Pawns? Paper pawns. That's the American accent for me. Pawn, pawn, pet-a-pawn. I remember that game. Okay, so he sees them as two dimensional and to be manipulated. Alrighty, I follow now. I didn't really get that from the movie outside of when he's like, wall Superman, I got your mum. Now you gotta go kill Batman. I'm so smart. I'm the smartest man in the world. Redesigned in line with comic book history, Lexenberg is lifted directly from the pages of Superman Birthright. Lexenberg. I guarantee you. So what happened the last time we covered when Perfect and he referenced the comics to support his arguments? I got several DMs and also several from meme repository. He misrepresented like crazy what he gave as evidence for how it was faithful in the previous video. So we can basically throw all this out. And also he's defending the movie, like it doesn't have to follow the comics, but now it's good because it follows the comics, so. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. Even if there was a comic, well, like one for one, everything that was in the movie is just in this comic called Superman Birthright.   Yeah, it doesn't matter what the medium is. Yeah, do we ever address the context for why Superman was fighting Shazam in that one clip that he included in his previous video? Oh, well, that would, I guess we could. We never did it on like an actual EFAB, I don't think. Yeah, so I got DMed by a guy, HeroSpeed, who provided just a very brief summary of what the context was. It was that Lex Luthor tricked them into fighting in an empty part of the city that Lex Luthor built for the homeless. So not only no civilians were hurt, but it was all set up to make Superman look like a massive threat to everyone. This was one of the worst examples Twin Perfects could have chosen to justify Man of Steel. There you go. Do you not destroy the homeless if you give them homes? I don't know. That's good. Could be a bad guy. Trying to have some fun here with the miserable man. I'm already more likeable than Lex Luthor. So yeah, I guess. So when he worked on this comic, it was called Lienolf FU. What? Is that supposed to be? Yeah. Is that like an artist's name? Or a... FU. Lionel? Lionel? FU. Lionel Lionel. Yeah, I don't know. That's quite the name, FU. Yeah, the reason I brought that up was just, one, we don't care for these arguments anyway, but two, there's probably a lot of context you won't include, so, you know. Nope. We can't, and this is the thing. It's not nice to do that to people who don't read the comics, like Poril, EFAP, we can't even fight back. Why? You shouldn't be doing this. Right. Lex as a... And prone to outbursts and feverish ravings about how alone he is in his... Wait, let's read some of this style, I'll tell them. Translation. This is it, Clark. This is the week by Friday, Saturday, and the latest, at the latest, everything I've labored for my entire life is gonna pay off. Do you hear me? Clark, I'm going to make history. Slower, no, faster, faster and furthering across the stars at better than light speed, Clark, and you are there. Oh, all right, I'm gonna stop. Where? That's fine, let's move on. This is...  I assumed your dad moved you here. No, I moved him years ago. While traveling, I unearthed something in Smallville, something that validated every single theory I've ever had that we are not alone in this universe. Also, the United States largest ball of yarn. So wait, this is to support the Lex Luthor Hattison who is eccentric, and so it's okay that Jesse Eisenberg is terrible. I don't see the through line. Perhaps that will be explored. Though my hopes are not high. I'm just being told by a guy in the EFAT podcast talk channel that he's read Superman Birthright, and this dude is straight up lying and misrepresenting it to help his arguments, which isn't a surprise. I'm assuming that this Lex, or whatever the name of this character is, has got nothing in terms of connections to the Lex we saw in... Maybe I don't wanna deny the idea that they may have used it as inspiration or whatever, but like the execution, I've got some faith that this comic was written in a way that was stronger than what we got in the movie. That's the, there you go. The intellectual superior. And this birthright Lex was captured in Eisenberg. Also, everything we just read, that doesn't even feel like Eisenberg's Lex, you know? Yeah, I'm really different character. Yeah. Like this guy actually seems like a more stereotypical mad scientist. Yeah, yeah, mad scientist is a good way to, yeah. Eisenberg's performance. Because God is tribal. God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations. What is this? This is like one of those things where you, if you're the director, you see this and you're like, clearly, I was mistaken. This was the wrong move. I selected the wrong thing to do. God didn't say anything from Daddy's fist. I love the enthusiasm, Jesse. Let's reel it back just a little bit. Maybe drop the, hmm, at the end. Just we're gonna cut that part out. Like you're too quirky to take seriously. Like I don't believe you. To give it feels like he's just trying to be Jim Carrey's riddler. It feels like an actor. To give another example of how you can, like, I think Fringy and I end up in trouble with this a lot with people. It's the whole subtlety thing. We, like when I'm talking about dialogue. So he's like, my dad beat me. Okay, all right, there's this show. I never referenced it, but I'm gonna give a new example today because I can keep doing them because there's so many of them because the show has really awesome writing in it. But they're discussing the potential for domestic abuse for a father on a child and the team are like, oh, there's no evidence that the parents ever hit the kid. And one of the characters says a father doesn't have to be physical to be abusive. And then they all look at him and then they look back at the work and it's like, ooh. And there's just a subtle implication of something that may have happened with that person in that way. And that's why they said that. They wanted to push back on the idea that you can only be physical. It's like, oh man, that's something to think about. Meanwhile, God didn't stop dad from punching me. No, no. You tussle his hair like, you'll be okay. It's just a one-to-one to me. Like this is where you stop. You're like, oh, your character says exactly what happened to them. That's the best way to explain a history. But yeah, I guess you guys are indeed. I don't know. There was a door from a book called Superman Birthright, where he was too smart. He understood too much. He was- That's not this Lex Luthor, by the way. He is not- No, they said he's a genius. They said he's a genius. That's not the Lex Luthor, though. Isn't that all you have to do when you're writing a character? You say, this character was a genius, and then they're a genius. Pretty neat. Yeah? Yeah, it works for the BBC Sherlock. He was really rich. Oh, yeah. You wouldn't be rich unless you were a genius. Creators, his mind could never turn off. There are many who say that they don't like this Lex simply because they don't like Jesse Eisenberg. That's weird. I've never met Jesse Eisenberg. I'm fine with Jesse Eisenberg. He's a good actor. Maybe it's his performance. Have you thought of that? If he's a cast thing and not the actor. Well, yeah, I think he could have played a Lex Luthor, probably, especially, I could see him playing a Lex's son, but not with this writing and not with his performance. Yeah, if things are different, then they'd maybe be better. Yeah, he used to go for a different personality entirely to make Jesse Eisenberg a Lex Luthor work. Yeah, you're stacking the cards against you on this one. Not saying you can't win, but it's an interesting decision. Well, I guess that his defense would rely on the idea that this is the only Lex Luthor that Jesse Eisenberg could do, implying that Eisenberg doesn't have the talent to have a larger range of possible performances for the character. It's kind of an insult to him a little bit. Well, his Mark Zuckerberg was closer to Lex than this was. Oh, yeah, or at least I say closer to Lex, closer to a character that I would presume to be someone like Lex in Lex's position. Yes, because he's still not like the Lex that I understand to be Lex from like in a faithful way, because again, Lex is supposed to be charming and charismatic, right, or at least to some degree. Oh, and this guy isn't. But that doesn't mean that it's not a safe choice It's not a safe choice to cast Eisenberg instead of Heisenberg. But at the very least, Snyder should get points for boldness in the absence of boldness. No points for boldness, not allowed. Yeah, you don't get any. Yeah, that's not a yeah.  That was definitely, yeah. It would earn that R rating in the extended edition. I'd be proud of Zach, I suppose. Pop that in the Snyder. You know what, it would honestly, it would fit the performance rather well, be like, yep, that's the thing that this Lex Luther would do. Jesse does really successfully as he's able to really get across the complexities of. Yeah, the complexities, huh? I'm getting very red flashbacks, man.  So there, I can't lose.  So that means it's good. It would be faithful then. Yes, it's called it's called Superman helicopter. Very simple name, but applicable.  It's not about the subtleties, subtleties overrated. When no one was looking, Lex Luther took 40 cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens and that's terrible. Why is it terrible to have? Is it terrible that he took them or that there are 40 and 10 cakes? Maybe it would have been okay ish like they can replace pretty easily, but taking the 40 that was probably meant for a lot of people. It could have been kids like stealing 40 cakes. Yeah, it does feel like that's probably going to have more of an impact than it might have if it was one. Well, I mean, what was he planning on doing with the cakes that depends? Was he stealing it to give away to them and then fall on Batman and crush him into a pancake? One way to do it. Oh my God, it really is movie Bob's Lex Luthor. The fairly small cake. It's a small number of cakes for an average size person. I will become the cake of Lex Luthor. If you go back to the Canon and a lot of ways is very much in keeping with look at this dude and then think, oh, this is faithful. Yeah.  We want we want that's I mean insane. I don't even know what to call him.  He's quirky gimmick man. Yeah. Successfully is he's able to really get across the complexities of Lex Luthor in the film. If you go back to the Canon, a lot of ways is very much in keeping with some traditional versions of Lex that we just haven't seen in sort of mainstream pop culture recently again. How does that? Yeah, that's maybe we shouldn't say that. Oh, I love Lex Luthor's motivation is muddled and confused. Finally. So what does he have to gain from a fight between Batman and Superman? That's not that. No, the criticism isn't that it's why would he he would why would he want him to fight the answer? I would assume is he's hoping Batman kills Superman because he hates Superman's power level. But the confusion for me is the if he like legit was like you better win Superman.  Is that just game over for Lex? I guess my question would be what does he stand to gain from Batman winning? Oh, sorry, Superman winning. Well, the idea is that God cannot be all powerful and all good. So either but he's either Batman kills Superman and God is not all powerful or Superman kills Batman and God is not all good. That's but he already knows that he'd just be proving to himself a thing. I was going to say Superman is literally like in trouble in this movie for being portrayed as someone who lets people die a lot like he's like a he's already hated by several people. It was the protests and stuff. So what we're doing this do also Batman is not quite beloved right now. And then Cicely and if the report said Batman tried to kill Superman and Superman had to kill him to stop him also that Superman's mother was being threatened like I don't know. This doesn't seem like a very effective plan there. But again, I don't know that like Lex won't survive as soon as Superman's mom is safe.  And then motivation of stopping God because the two powerful is ignored in that case for the sake of proving a point that Superman can do evil things which wouldn't even be true because he's trying to stop the death of his mother. This is a film for adults. Yes. Like I think the idea is the only way that Lex doesn't kill Superman's mother as if he brings him the head of Batman. Right. Okay. So happens if Superman decides to just fly over to the warehouse where where they have Martha Saber and then come back and kill Lex. Precisely. Like like well I mean like what's what's Lex Luthor's plan if that if that happens. Well that's not the purpose of the scenes. So that was never could happen. Lex Luthor that reminds me of Kylo is you start out kind of okay.  I don't know what's happening anymore and then it's like you have to stitch it all together in some way shape or form whenever it needs to be in the way that it is.  Then to gain from a fight between Batman and Superman as a storytelling archetype Lex Luthor is Superman's opposite. I don't care. I don't get well once you start off by saying like as a storytelling dot to dot and try and get into the meta of it like you've already kind of not a good start. Let's just let's we'll ignore that Pa and see if he can argue that it just it makes sense. Come on you can do it ground it for us. And it's Superman character is about having God like powers and then choosing how to use them if at all. Don't bring up the scene it's terrible.  Yeah he could have used legs. But if this character would be one who has no such power but seeks all the power they can get for personal gain. What is the personal gain and what but we don't want is it established that Lex once a bunch of power for personal gain not really know I'm really curious what references would be for this. Yeah he doesn't he would turn him so yeah if he did he might turn himself into a God like monster but he just creates one he can't control instead. Yeah I'm I'm really curious how this is justified. And if you look at Lex Luth the opposite in every way Superman is human he's ego driven he has no powers wants power and accumulates power and Superman doesn't try and accumulate power but he has power. Okay would be any kind of nothing to do with BVS. I'm sorry. Which is funny because these are all behind the scenes. Yeah. John's man did a great job like this shepherding this is the universe you know Kevin Feige of the D.C. EU worked out so well under your watch. It feels like fluff like he's just he's he's putting this in to make it sound like he's saying something when he's not well I'm presumed like that's the argument now give me the references please.  It's very strange so you didn't outsmart him if that's something you've concluded Lex you're like I know that Superman will just be able to hack onto anybody he loves who's in trouble but simultaneously I will hide his mother and he I won't tell him where she is unless he kills Batman I was that smart. Yeah.  That's what happened Yeah, whatever you saw somebody actually changed it off-screen and without any scenes inexplicably Riding 101 Lex Lex changed everything behind the scenes to match it all. Okay, so you don't need to worry Yeah, it's never mentioned. It's never spoken about there are no scenes to support this He doesn't even have the means to do this as far as we know But he just did it because that's what he has to do in order for this story to even start resembling any sins Brilliant about writing bad writing can't exist. EFAP is giving way too much credit to Congress in the US government in general What do you mean? They're the CIA? We get criticized for we Government is too confident. What are you referring to specifically? What have we said there's out of the bounds of the CIA or the US government, please please tell me Like the CIA shows up in the compound they see all of this stuff Twin perfect is in chat Also check this out You guys are ignoring context so hard to hit on this movie the people who burned the bodies on the ground beyond recognition We're can beyond recognition beyond recognition. You could know the bodies bullets in them Look at that body.  I don't care if these people were controlled hired by Lex The CIA come in right after them. They are in this scene. Yeah attention to the movie Yes, the Central Intelligence Agency not only that but if the CIA was going to be framed for this You bet your ass They would be investigating this to prove that they weren't the ones who did it The whole strike force Come on then you and if their way to defend themselves was just to say oh Superman showed up before us and shot them with bullets and grenades and then he piled them into a pile and then used A flamethrower on them to make it look like he did it There's all these bullet holes around the place Hastings probably Into walls Narrative that we're looking to hate it when you you just said It's totally chill because everybody's been paid off throughout all of the agencies Yeah off-screen and without any support of this in the movie it turns out that that's what they did sure writing 101 brilliant Congress is incompetent Yeah, hey, we're not cowardly at all Yeah, I mean dude, I'm so I just like I'd love to talk to you about doomsday and Superman's fight I would love to talk to you about that if you want to jump in I've been here and face our cowardly I don't want to get involved You're already involved The chat Now we're saying that we want to talk to you when you're saying oh well let the video speak for itself It's doing really badly if you've gotten the extra arguments you don't want this video Highlight this this here just put it on screen for everybody just in case anybody missed this All right Type C in chat Why would you say that we're cowardly and that'd be like You said you wanted to just talk about the things in the discord like you wanted I said I am I'm struggling Right Yes, you said that it was recorded offline because we didn't want to talk to you which is untrue But now it is live you're here and we are totally cool. We're talking to you and now you don't want to He wants to let his video speak for himself What Look Lex paid Lex how could you know I Remember he must have done that with in that scene that we didn't see Damn, that's the oh that was in the extended extended cut The junk the Batman v Superman dawn of gray edition John 4 by 3 great Did I love me how many C's are rolling in I don't think it was a cell phone that hard to be like It would be better just pretending that this didn't exist Motherfucker I just like I was so eager by the way that I was really to talk about this fantastic movie But I guess it's not gonna happen now. That's unfortunate like yeah, you should have just like not shown up and said anything This was counterproductive to just all of what you are oh I mean the video For itself.   I just think this way. I'll take it back. I think I'll take it back.   Hey, do you want to talk? No the video speaks for itself? Like Their audience is 2,000 losers Yeah Like I said, I would have so many things I'd love to talk to you about to imperfect I love to change your mind on so many things because like Like I said first and foremost the Superman doomsday fight you because again, you don't want to join the chat That's fire the discord, but at least you'll be listening to this right now You said like unironically stated this as a as an argument The because doomsday came back down that it would be dumb for Superman to try and put him out into space and that it proves Everyone right that it was stupid to have tried that with Zod in the first film Like do you not even think you could counter that argument? If we gave you a hundred dollars to counter that argument do you think you could do it? I believe in you twin perfect. I think you could do it. You said hold on what My behavior is why I'm here. Let's do it. Does that mean you want to actually talk we says where's the link as you said you didn't So I mean Southboard, do you know what his profile is? Can you link him or I had him or other? I Don't know what his profile is. I've I've told the guy that was in his server to Tell like given my discord tag, but I never got anything although the way to do it, I guess would be if He can find me through If he joins me obviously you can leave the disc with you guys on the e-fab discord or something Yeah, so if he joins yeah with the link in the description if you join my discord And then look on the users you'll find me at the top add me and then I can add you you can delete all of this Imposed don't worry. I wouldn't want to in fact You see it wouldn't be a contradicting narrative in the in the description of her testimony versus What happened because anybody who checked the scene of the crime would have been paid off by Lex That's not true not the CIA The CIA clearly not working for Lex as well. This is like, how did you conclude? I don't even It turns out everyone was just working for the bad guy the whole time Crime he could have just paid them to say there is no such thing as murder anymore at least for Lex Luthor All the money he has yeah, we get a paid off, you know The cost to pay off the judge. There is no such thing Yeah I'm not gonna anything yet Oh Twin perfect remember when you said it was fine the Superman essentially killed himself to kill doomsday because that was the point of the scene That was the point. Yeah did Superman so I think it's funny is that you think about the Superman's head Did he know that he was in a film? He knew that these were just scenes being shot for a movie. I Just I don't so Superman could have kept flying him into space into perpetuity and Once he fell back down to earth It was a terrible idea to lead him into it Could you imagine like if there was a fight going on? I don't know like off the coast of New York And they're on an island and they're okay, and you're like, all right there. Let's let's take him to I don't know Brighton Beach It's it's empty. It's really cold this time of year And it's because you left a spear there instead of just going to get the spear and then I I don't I I still am kind of reeling from that one because like what's the worst that could happen by leaving that he goes somewhere else It's like, yeah Me really actually want to ask him the the the meth bear analogy. I want to see what he would do with that It's well, maybe the bear would have gone to a different campsite true Or it would have stayed in the woods like a bear So many questions I would love to know what movie can't be defended with oh that was the point Everything that makes civil war worse than Batman v Superman. That was the point except it was the point and it was executed well Yeah, civil war is really well written. It's very great. What movies can't be defended with that, please And if there are if there are any problems with the the there are any problems with civil war Then they were just off-screen scenes that you could infer that fix it all so there you go Right anything.   It's like well, that was the point He was paid off To be out of character by Lex Luthor. Oh my god multi-verse Oh, yeah, Superman was paid off to snap Zod's neck so that he could get him and put him in the pool and make doomsday Pay for found a date switch cocaine. It died. Oh my god It's my kind of curiosity. He says he's in your discord. I don't know how to proceed Now look at the members list and at the top right you'll see me and then you right click I think add friend and then I should be notified or well I've got my list up so I'll see it and I can add you and then I can add you to the Conversation how epic? Yeah, it's a roster.  So how are you everybody having a good day? Yeah Good here, right everyone said it's like it's probably over 20. Well, now it's probably over 21 Over 21 what amount of people who come on while we're covering them. Oh It's been a bunch. It's been a whole bunch. No, I wouldn't say that there's any molds being broken with this one We'll just toss it on the pile Hello that Are you speaking cuz if not Oh, there we go. All right, how you doing man? There we go. Hey So just I kind of figure out why there's screenshots of my discord showing up over here Well, there's shared Yeah, that you called us did you guys go looking or did you did somebody just drop it on you? Well, someone Someone in Mahler's discord. I guess was in your server as well Saw what was said and shared it there. I guess they thought it was a fair screenshots. Yeah. Yeah Okay, so this thing that was said just some backstory. I don't know. I'm not involved with any of this I don't know what's going on with you guys this is All new to me, but The idea was I was getting information second hand from other people about what you were guys were saying about me I was there for the first one when you were talking about Filmento, I guess it was and I had assumed you would saw me in the chat because there were a bunch of people talking to me And you were responding to people in the chat, so I didn't know that you guys didn't know I was there and then When you covered excuse me when you covered me, I wasn't in the chat. I was away from my computer at that time All I got was just a bunch of people telling me that you were dumping on me dumping on me dumping on me So I didn't know exactly how that went down I didn't really particularly feel like checking it out for myself because of what I understood was going on over here and then so I You I dropped coward because and I noticed you said don't throw insults if insults haven't been thrown I assumed insults had been thrown.  I'm easy to reach if you guys want to talk to me and You know, I if you want to talk trash, which is what I assumed was going on, you know So do it when I'm around But that was basically the idea behind the coward thing and then the other thing the 2000 losers comment that is So there's an emote there.  Am I right? But it's the smug Ross face, which means I'm not I'm playing up the that's actually self deprecating I know that sounds ridiculous because I'm throwing an insult But when I throw an insult, yeah, it doesn't really seem to make sense.   So that's what that comment was so I wasn't at all attacking your Your fan base. I wasn't doing anything like that with your fan base.  The smug Ross emote No, the other emote that we've been to yes the smug Ross emote Well, like what we're actually highlighting is like so everything that doesn't have the emote attached is probably just genuine commentary, right? I don't know. I don't remember everything that was said Well luckily for you. You don't have to remember.  Well if you want to call me pathetic call it to me to my face one I'm there and so cowardly so I apologize for that. Well, you don't don't worry about like it's not that much It was more of an I was interested in the mechanics of it because as for like That I think the video is really bad, but like I'm sure you're very like most video essay creators I'm sure you're a very nice person and I For context, okay, well, I think the video is very good. So that's absolutely fine Yeah, we were clearly because you made it you probably thought it was worthwhile And you've said as much as that what we're saying isn't worth much anyway So I I get that that's your position for context. I've made a couple of movie reviews We all do media analysis in different ways This podcast is created to watch video essayists including all of the ones you probably know about in some way shape or form at some point And we just check out there takes typically when they oppose ours as in if we watch something and we conclude It's somewhere on a scale We wouldn't mind watching a video that argues a complete reverse recently. We've gotten into the DCE you We're watching them one by one We're releasing our coverage of them and then we check out videos that defend them because so far they've all been absolutely abysmal and Everyone recommended your man of steel one as a strong one for defending the movie and we were staggered by it quite Significantly, I don't I think you said you hadn't seen any of the coverage, which is totally fine But today we're doing your BBS one and Okay, that's totally fine with me. I don't I don't really particularly mind I was just here to talk about those comments that were on my discord which are for my discord fans. They all understand the tone and You guys don't so I wouldn't I wouldn't direct that guys that that at you guys you understand I would it's it's was and it's an in-joke that's been building for years Mm-hmm. Well, okay, I I just It's like a quick question so real and about my videos my my It took me a long time to figure out what I was doing with my channel And I think I really finally figured it out recently was It's not so much that I'm saying the movie is good I'm just saying that the criticisms that I saw were not as strong as I thought they could be And so my my whole point is just if you're gonna argue against something I want it steel man, you know, so Let's let's make the best possible case We can for something and then talk about the best possible case rather than just I you know Slinging dumping and stuff like that, you know, that's that's my whole I'm inclined to agree with you Whether or not man or steel should be considered good great bad or terrible whatever. It's really irrelevant compared to Did we get the references right other people being critical and people are not being critical rather praiseworthy and like I would Flip it around. I'd be like your video was was dire in terms of Misrepresenting references or making them up and BBS is doing the same thing. No, I know I know that's kind of a problem. No, the thing is like I'm assuming you would hold the same position reverse because our positions can't coexist Like they're impossible to coexist like my references sure define as like contradicting in terms of the movie itself like for example Lex's motivations or Superman's Intensive Methodology of killing doob's day Batman's choices in terms of kryptonite weaponry manufacturing Their whole battle there's so much to go over in terms of just how broken the film is and yeah I think a lot of the defense is like I'm I genuinely I'm curious when you said it's the point of the scene though Do you think that that's a good defense of a broken scene? I don't remember what you're talking about We so that the criticism was all the ways they could have killed doomsday Including but not limited to Wonder Woman using when I say when I say that's the point of the scene So I think your criticism of the movie is not of the point of the scene the point that your criticism is how they pulled it off And that's fine. I don't really mind. It's just the point the point trying to be made is here's Here's the end result is the point and then not the method by which they got to it I Don't care it's just it's just in the context of my I don't remember the specific thing It was the thing I said in my video I said I'm letting my video speak for itself because I don't remember what I said I guess the problem though I think the problem that we had with that is cuz like, you know every every scene There's usually some objective that the writer is trying to achieve. It's just whether or not What happens in the scene actually supports reaching that I just think it's more interesting to talk about the objective rather than Well, then why are you talking here If you're just gonna say it's fine and not engage with anything then why are you here? I have to talk about the comments that were on the discord like I said, right? Okay, so Okay, you have this mug emoji anything else Well, I've got a question So in your video you included a clip from I guess a Superman animated series or movie Where Superman was fighting Shazam in the city and they were like destroying a bunch of buildings What was the exact context that you were intending like what what context does that scene exist in in your mind? When when these guys fight damage happens, that's the context okay, so Lex Luthor had apparently tricked them into fighting in an empty part of the city that was built for the homeless by Lex Luthor Not only were like no civilians hurt in that scene But it was also actually set up to make Superman look like a massive threat to everyone Now the criticism that we have of man of steel involves this is not an unpopulated area That Superman is taking this fight to Superman is fighting Zod in a highly populated area Hundreds of thousands of people would be dead Right. I remember the same thing about that It and it's the point as is first of all Superman's first day So he's screwing up second a lot of most of most of the fight most of the damage I mean most of the deaths happen before he gets there and then when he does get there There's this hole. Why doesn't weed? Why doesn't he just fly up with Zod? And then the point is well Zod just told him I'm going to kill these people one by one whether you're here or not. So do you mind if we he's got a fight there? That's that's it. There's a lot of things right down about you might if we go Yeah, like go through that one by one because I think I think the main problems we had with that was first the idea that like Superman isn't at all accountable for a lot of the deaths that happen before he got to metropolis because of course it's like the entire plan to disrupt the The world engine is really flawed and like for some reason Superman forgets that he has lasers or Doesn't try to fly through the world engine earlier There were a lot of things he could have done to like make it happen faster But he doesn't because he just seemingly forgets about his abilities and this is also putting to one side that they only need to Take out one of the world engine machines in order to stop the world engine from functioning So he probably shouldn't have even gone there He should have gone to metropolis straight away and like that kind of on him that he didn't make a better decision Because of course it's like if we could come up with this like if we sitting here watching the movie could come up with it He and the government should have been able to come up with a better plan But like even if you ignore all of the deaths that happen from that Superman lasers the Kryptonian ship and then it cras