So, beginning here in Matthew 25, at verse 31. Reading to verse 40, and we'll get into our introduction, it's going to be a detailed introduction, a reminder, if you will, and then moving into the passage. We'll begin reading in Matthew 25, at verse 31, reading to verse 40. Jesus said, When the Son of man comes in his glory and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate them, one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And he will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.  For I was hungry, and you gave me food. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me. Then the righteous will answer him saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty, give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and take you in? Or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison, and come to you? And the king will answer and say to them, assuredly I say to you, in as much as you did it to one of the least, these my brethren, you did it to me. When we've been looking at Matthew chapter 25, let me refresh your memory for a moment. The first 30 verses of chapter 25 included two parables. And as we were looking at those parables, the parables were intended to emphasize two things. One, they emphasized that the return of Christ would be sudden, and for those who were unprepared, his return would be unexpected. So for that reason, people were commanded to be on watch. As a matter of fact, Jesus said to watch more than once. In chapter 24, for example, he had said in verses 42 and 43, he had said watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming, but know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. He said in chapter 25 verse 13, watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the sun man is coming. And so Jesus had already given them commands that they were to be on the alert, that they were to be busy watching because he would be returning. And so he spoke concerning that he would return, his return would be sudden, and for those who were unprepared, it would be unexpected. Therefore there to be on watch. The second parable emphasized that believers would demonstrate their readiness by serving. If we believe in other words that he is returning, then we're going to be busy serving him. And so we need to remember that saving faith is always revealed by a serving faith. And so when somebody really believes that the Lord is returning, they're going to be busy about their master's business. So we serve the Lord. Even as it says in Psalm 110 verse 2, where it says serve the Lord with gladness. Come before his presence with singing. Or like it says in Titus chapter 2 verse 14, that Jesus gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for himself his own special people's zealous, he said, for good works. And so a saving faith is always revealed by a serving faith. And so as Jesus was given this parable, he made it very clear that Christians are not going to be sleeping in complacency. They're not going to bury the gifts that God has given to them. They're going to be alert and busy serving him until he returns. Now as he's giving those parables, he concluded with a sober statement that we saw in verse 30, where it says cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, and then he goes on to say, there will be weeping in gnashing of teeth. And so judgment, he is saying, is going to come. Judgment will come upon those who refuse to serve him. In Luke 19 verses 26 and 27, he said it like this. He said, I say to you that to everyone who has will be given, and from him who does not have even what he has will be taken away from him. But bring here those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them and slay them before me. Strong and sobering words about using what God has given to you and doing so as unto his glory. You see, in rejecting his warnings, all that unbelievers have, all that unbelievers have in the end, is judgment. And that's what Jesus has been speaking about. So as we look at Matthew 25 and continue on, we need to remember a few things in order to understand the context of the separation of the sheep from the goats because Jesus is speaking concerning judgment again in this passage. And so to lay a foundation a little bit further, we need to remember a few things. One thing we need to remember is all sin is known to God and all sin will be punished. All sin is known to God and all sin will be punished. There's nothing I can do in other words that he doesn't see. He sees everything. Psalm 90 verse 8 says, you have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence. Our secret sins, the secret things, the things that we think nobody is aware of, the things that we do when we're by ourselves and we think we have no witnesses. It's a little hard for us to conceive of that today to the degree that even 10, 15 years ago, it was possible to think in terms of like, oh, I can get away with something because everybody's carrying their phones and taking pictures of everybody no matter what. I mean, if there's an assassination attempt, you'll get three or four different angles of the same thing. As a matter of fact, sometimes people are so busy taking pictures of somebody in trouble that that person ends up getting more hurt because they never put the phone down to help them. And so what we're dealing with today is we're dealing with a population that doesn't really understand that there are things that really are kept secret. And yet, when you consider it a bit and you think of your own private habits, of course, there are some things that are known only to you. They're your secrets. And yet, they're not really secret because the Bible says to us, you said our iniquities before you are secret sins in the light of your presence. So it's not only the things that we're doing, but it's also the things that we feel or think that God is aware of, every single thing, every secret thing, the things that we think we're getting away with. It's filling a little bit from the company or getting up and using that computer when everybody is gone from the house or when everybody's asleep. Those kinds of things, they're secret things we think we're getting away with. But the Bible says, no, there's not a single thing that you do that God isn't aware of.  They are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. I see it all. Hebrews 4-13, nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid to bear before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. So there's nothing that you or I do even when we're in secret that is really secret.  When it comes to judgment, one, he knows all things. Two, we have a God who is righteous and is revealed in Scripture as the judge who is righteous. In Psalm 7, verse 11, God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses His wrath every day. 2 Timothy 4, verse 8, there is in store for me the crown of righteousness which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for His appearing. So God is a righteous judge. One, God has all the information. Two, God is righteous.  And there will be a final accounting in Romans chapter 2, verses 6 through 8. Paul said, God will give to each person according to what He has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. And for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. And so He's a righteous judge. He sees everything. There's a final accounting. And yet tying all of this together is the knowledge that God doesn't desire any to be lost. He wants everybody to escape the final judgment. He wants everybody to escape His wrath. In Peter 3, verse 9, the Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. And so what Jesus is teaching here in what is called the Mount of Olives Discourse, chapters 24 and 25, is that He has a desire for people to escape the judgment. His desire is like it would say in 1 Timothy chapter 2, verse 4, His desire would be for all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. And so because Jesus wants everybody to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, His disciples are also to have that desire. And when the disciples have the desire for people to come to the knowledge of the truth through Christ, that's going to fuel their ministry. And that's why Jesus Christ was ministering the Mount of Olives. He was sharing with them these things so that it would fuel them as they went out to the world because He wants us as believers to rescue people from the coming judgment. But the judgment is coming and that's what He's speaking about here in Matthew 25. And so in verse 31 again in beginning there and reading to verse 33 we'll look at this passage together. He says it like this. He says when the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the holy angels with Him then He will sit on the throne of His glory. And all the nations will be gathered before Him. He will separate them one from another as a shepherd divides His sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on His right hand but the goats on His left. So we'll look at that and try and take it apart a little bit to understand what Jesus is speaking about what's taking place here. We see that this judgment is going to take place at His second coming when the Son of Man comes. That would be at the end of the tribulation. And we see that there's a judge and the judge will be Jesus Christ who refers to Himself as the Son of Man. Now in verse 31 when He speaks of the Son of Man we need to remember that that's a title. When you read your Bible you might want to note that there are times and titles are used to help us to identify who's being spoken of. Son of Man in this context is actually taken out of Daniel in the Old Testament chapter 7 verses 13 and 14. That's a title of Messiah because in Daniel 7, 13 and 14 we read in my vision at night I looked and there before me was one like a Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the ancient of days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power all people's nations and men of every language worshiped Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away. His kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. So when Daniel was speaking concerning this and referred to him as Son of Man that's a title Jesus takes upon Himself. It's a title of Messiah and so we know that the judgment takes place at the end of the tribulation we know that the judge is Jesus Himself the Son of Man. We also see that He comes in glory with His holy angels. Now I already mentioned that to you out of Jude 14 and 15 but Paul again in 2 Thessalonians 1 7 and 8 said it like this. He said the Lord Jesus shall be revealed to the angels in flaming fire dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And so He's returning with the glory of His angels and it occurs in Jerusalem. Now how do we know that? Well, again it says in verse 31 He will sit on the throne of His glory. We know that the throne of His glory would be in Jerusalem because Jerusalem is the city of King David and a promise was given that is spoken of in Luke 1 verses 32 and 33 where it says the Lord God will give Him, speaking of Jesus the throne of His father David He will reign over the house of Jacob forever His kingdom will never end David's throne was in Jerusalem and Jesus' throne will be there and that's where this judgment is going to take place. Now who is going to be judged? Verse 32 All the nations it says all the nations will be gathered before Him. That speaks of every person alive at His second coming. Now let me develop this with you for just a moment to help you to get an idea of what's taking place. I've been asked this question and so I'll answer it in this study some of you perhaps have wondered and the question has been will there be people saved during the seven year period of time called the tribulation and the answer scripturally is yes there will be people who are saved. The rapture of the church is going to happen. The believers who are here are going to be taken to be with Christ. There will be people who are left behind who are not saved but during the seven year period of the tribulation there will be an effort for evangelism and many will come to faith in Christ. Gentiles as well as Jews. Now how do we know that while the Bible says that the Bible teaches that multitudes of Gentiles and Jews will come to faith in Christ? In the book of Revelation in chapter 7 verses 13 and 14 it says one of the elders answered saying to me who are these arrayed in white robes and where did they come from? I said to him, serve you know. So he said to me these are the ones who come out of the great tribulation and wash their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. So there will be Gentiles who come through the tribulation who come to faith in Christ during that time. There will be Jews who also come to faith in Christ as their Messiah during that time. Paul speaks of it in Romans 11, 26 and 27 when he says all Israel will be saved as it is written. The deliverer will come out of Zion. He will turn away on godliness from Jacob for this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. There is a great multitude who have been washed in the blood of Jew and of Gentile alike. And so what happens is they now are standing for Jesus as he's returned and Jesus is about to deal with this in a judgment way. It says in verse 33 he will set the sheep on his right hand but the goats on his left. And so even to this time if you go to Israel you've been there, you've seen this and you'll see shepherds out in the fields very often because when we're driving in the bus it's interesting some of us perhaps had some experience on farms and all but most of us didn't. My grandmother owned a farm but she didn't raise sheep and goats. She raised stinky chickens. But when you go to Israel you'll see sometimes these flocks as they're in the hillside and we'll slow down and our guide will point them out and you'll see them and you know city slickers that we are you'll hear the ooh and the ah and all the pictures people are taking pictures of sheep and goats because they're together. The sheep and goats are together and to this day in Israel you will see that you'll see a flock of sheep but mixed with them very often you'll see these goats and what they'll do is during the day the sheep and the goats are together but in the evening the shepherd actually separates the sheep from the goats because sheep are much more peaceful and more docile and goats are more rambunctious and so they actually divide them and separate them and that's what Jesus is speaking about this is a very common thing during his day when he's speaking about separating the sheep from the goats and the sheep are separated at that time and so he says that the king is going to speak to him now notice verse 34 the king will say to those on his right hand come you blessed of my father inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave me food I was thirsty you gave me drink I was a stranger you gave me I was sick and you visited me I was in prison and you came to me then the righteous will answer him saying Lord when did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you drink when did we see you a stranger and take you in or naked and clothe you when did we see you sick or in prison and answer and say to them assuredly I say to you in as much as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren you did it to me at this point the tribulation survivors are about to enter into what is called the millennium the millennium is a thousand year rule of Christ on planet earth it's spoken of in the book of Revelation chapter 20 notice with me a couple of things and we'll get into some practical application notice that the kingdom that is spoken of here has been prepared from the foundation of the world but entrance into this kingdom is not based on works because it says that God prepared this God prepared entrance for them and the entrance is through faith in Jesus Christ it is not by their good works their works that are spoken of here are the fruit and not the root of their salvation these are those who had washed their robes in the blood of the lamb the works that they're performing are outside evidences of a real salvation the Bible tells us in Ephesians 2 8 through 10 it is by grace you've been saved through faith and this is not from yourselves it's the gift of God it is not by works so that no one can boast for we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for us to do so genuine Christians perform good works and Jesus lists six works that are representative these are the measurable evidences of their salvation he said I was hungry and you fed me I was thirsty you took me in I was naked I was sick I was in prison and you visited me so performing those tasks during the tribulation required great faith in Christ because for them to go out of their way to care for these people in that way to feed them to clothe them to visit them was to identify with them what Jesus is speaking about it wasn't an effort to be saved by their works it was a demonstration that salvation had been experienced and so Jesus is commending them not for their works alone but for the faith that provoked them to do those kinds of things and the bottom line is is those who are saved will serve those who are saved are going to do those kinds of things because they're evidences of salvation in 1 John chapter 3 verses 17 and 18 John said it like this if anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him how can the love of God be in him dear children let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth when he said let us not love with words when he says words that's referring to philosophic when he speaks concerning tongue that's just talking about those kinds of people that like to philosophize about love let us not be those kinds of people who like to talk about it but don't really do it ancient history class I'll give you one right now when I was around 13 or 14 somewhere in that area some group came from across the pond came from England John Paul, George and Ringo they were they became in my life the ones that were speaking into it some of you wouldn't understand that that's okay but that's what it was like in mine and there were things that they would speak about that I thought had hidden meanings and were very deep and they had songs that they would sing that I identified with as a young teen from 14, 15, 16 until I was 20 years old and much of what they had to say not everything but much of what they had to say had a great influence on me they spoke about things like money can't buy me love and I thought that's true you can't buy love it's something that you have to gain in different ways they'd say things like that all you need is love and things of that nature and it really did influence me over time there were things that they said that I didn't understand at all like I am a walrus I am a good Jew but to this day do not understand that unless they were speaking in some kind of tongue that I just couldn't interpret but they said so many things and I can still remember that they were almost like our priests and our sacrament was marijuana that's a fact so when the new albums would come out my friends and I would sit down, smoke pot and we'd listen to the Beatles and we'd talk about their lyrics they were more than just singers to me and they were more than just singers to the United States and into the world there's never been a time in the history of the world where even the black culture and other cultures would be able to mention the names of the Beatles by name that didn't happen that happened under the Beatles their influence was unbelievable unbelievable so when they began to follow Maharishi Yogi and all of that to me I thought well you know transcendental meditation get into this higher thought, eastern thought philosophy and all of that that was a natural thing and that to me was very influential very influential what you need is love and what the world needs is love that to me was 100% and that was the message and that's what made hippies hippies is we were called the love generation because we knew that what we needed was love we just didn't know the source of it so for me love was really lust that's all it was it was a word that you used because you wanted it but it was also a word that you used to make advances on somebody that's what it was so it was never really biblical love what it was was a lust it was a selfish personal greediness for satisfaction and so I would hear the Beatles speak about these things and others like that because it was the love generation and we liked to talk about love to this day the songs that people most identify with are the songs that talk about peace and love and hope those are the songs that speak to the human soul because those are the things within the human soul that are absent so you hear a song by whomever your singer may be I don't even know the new ones at all but you hear the songs that come out and you hear the words and sometimes you'll hear the pain in some of those words there's a song by Labyrinth I don't even remember the name of the song but he speaks concerning the fact that the person that left him and is with somebody else he was hoping that that all she would feel when she was gone from him was heartache and he didn't like the idea that she's actually happy without him and that's touching, that's a very touching thing if you're happy without me and I understand that that was in my soul that was in my soul I understand that yeah we were together you left me and I was hoping you'd find out there's nothing out there and come back to me but now who are you with that love that was mine is now his I understand that and so do many of you in this room but we would talk about it we would talk about it amongst ourselves while we're smoking pot or getting drunk and then we would rip each other off we would lie to one another and we would use each other and what we were is exactly what John is warning against let us not love in just word philosophically speaking about the concept going to our philosophy 101 class and learning about the aspects of love or even taking Biblical Greek and discovering the three root words or three words that are used for the one single word love eros phileos dorgue and all of that we in Agape we have to think in terms of what doesn't really mean in practical application because what we can do is we can take these concepts guys you know this and we can speak very loftily about it we can use words concerning it when in reality we don't do it we don't do it you know that old song and it is an old song now what the world needs now is love it's true it's always needed love because it's that spark of reality that God is loving we really need isn't just love we need him and that's what I discovered when I gave my heart to Jesus Christ and so verses like this when it says let us not love with the words or tongue let us not love simply philosophically and not just using using language saying oh I love your brother you know you see your brother in need and you say to him be warmed and filled and do nothing for him well Jesus said that wasn't you Jesus he said no what demonstrated that you really knew me was love in action faith in action you saw me and you saw that I was hungry and you fed me you saw that I was thirsty and you gave me water you saw that I was a stranger and you took me in you saw that I was naked and you clothed me I was sick I was in prison you visited me you know World War II when the Nazis entered into an occupied Holland and other places like Holland there were people like the Ten Boom family Corey Ten Boom and her family who saw Jews that were being persecuted they were being taken away and ultimately these Jews were being incarcerated in prison camps concentration camps and so what did the Ten Boom family do they saw them as strangers and they took them in they hit them in the house even though it cost them when the Nazis discovered they were hiding these refugees and they were imprisoned themselves and she lost her own sister and all during that horrible time that's the kind of thing Jesus is speaking about he's saying you know in the tribulation when it is so bad you're suffering you put your faith on the line and you saw the need and you met that need your faith was in action but notice the response in verse 37 the righteous will answer him saying Lord when did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsting give you a drink when did we see you a stranger and take you in or naked and cloth you sick or in prison and come to you in their way of thinking what they did was simply the way of life of a Christian it wasn't something special what this reveals to us is a heart that is led by unselfconscious good they were simply living a Christian life and they weren't expecting recognition for the good works they were simply doing what they ought to have done so I don't even remember when I fed you or I gave you something to drink or I clothed you or visited you I don't remember any of that when did I do that and then Jesus responds in verse 40 the king will answer and say to them assuredly I say to you it as much as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren you did it to me don't you understand that the activity of your faith is offering to me don't you see that serving others is really a way of serving me in Proverbs 19 verse 17 he who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord and he will pay back what he is given in Mark 9 41 I tell you the truth anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward they did these things as unto the Lord without even realizing that in giving to those in need they were actually giving to him but he continues in verse 41 then he will also say to those on the left hand depart from me you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels I was hungry he gave me no food I was thirsty he gave me no drink I was a stranger he did not take me in naked he did not clothe me sick and in prison he did not visit me then they will answer him saying Lord when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you then he will answer them and I say to you in as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these you did not do it to me and then verse 46 terrible words these will go away into everlasting punishment that the righteous into eternal life they're cursed they're cursed because they rejected Jesus they're not cursed because they didn't perform good works you see in not serving God they did not care to serve God's children John in 1 John 5 said like this in verses 2 and 3 he said this is how we know that we love the children of God by loving God and carrying out his commands this is love for God to obey his commands his commands are not burdensome and so these people did not do it for anybody really and thus the Lord is saying your life was not demonstrating that you had a relationship with me at all and thus you will receive judgment and for them judgment is swift and judgment is final they're actually slain on the spot and they enter into eternal judgment in verse 46 it says these will go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life they go to everlasting fire that's prepared as it said earlier in verse 41 that's prepared for the devil and his angels hell was not made for us it was made for the fallen angels and Satan himself God does not send us to hell so much as we choose it for ourselves and so what they do is they go into everlasting fire they're going to be eternally separated from God which means they're separated from his love they're separated from his mercy separated from his goodness they're separated from his grace they will eternally be associated with Satan there will be no joy no consolation there will be no peace that is their future eternity is a concept that I cannot wrap my mind around I don't have a clue what eternity really is but I do know this it never ends and I do know that for those who did not commit themselves to Christ for those who did not come to faith in him and demonstrate the salvation to concern for others the only thing waiting for them is what the Scripture says in verse 46 everlasting punishment that's it what is awaiting them what happens is they will receive that punishment and they're going to be incarcerated but the others who pass through the others who are the sheep on the right hand they enter in what is called the Millennial Kingdom Jesus will rule and reign on earth again it's revealed in Revelation 20 for a thousand years and as they're there in the Millennial reign of Christ at the end there will be great white throne judgment and at that time those who have rejected Christ are going to be finally and forever cast into the lake of fire up to that point they're being reserved for judgment 2 Peter 2 verse 9 says the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment while continuing their punishment so at the great white throne they receive their final sentencing and all of this and we'll wrap it up with a couple of thoughts notice how it's said again in verse 44 where it says they also will answer him saying Lord when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you this is so common with us today human beings are this way we know this and that is we think we're better than we are we really do I used to call it a program called American Idol I used to say we have an American Idol mentality of our own righteousness because a lot of times when you had these contestants they would walk up and they would say who do you sing most like and they'd say a doll or they'd say somebody of a great stature a Whitney or whatever who do you sing like and then they do their their tryout and then you'd hear them singing and you'd oh my who deceived you what makes you think you can sing oh my and yeah but when you and then they get mad because they weren't going to be the American Idol and and Marie and I watched it a number of times and I thought oh my self deceived well you know what Americans as a people we can be very guilty beginning with myself of thinking that we're better than we really are and really unself conscious about the fact that we're not that good we just aren't but we think that we are we always compare ourselves with somebody who's worse than us we always have a friend somewhere that we can point to and say well at least I'm not like that that's how we are so we think of ourselves better and so you see that human trait here even as they stand before God himself guilty with an explanation if you will you know I'm not perfect but I tried you know when did we not you know feed you when did we not give you something to drink when did we not visit you when did we not it's like I've been a good person that is we need to understand that it's not hard for us to find a human being that we can place ourselves in opposition to and say look it I'm not that bad but judgment isn't because I'm going to stand next to somebody who's worse than me the judgment comes because I'm standing in front of somebody who's greater than me because I'm not as great as Jesus I'm not perfect Jesus is and in the light of his counting it's my darkness is revealed and the closer that you get the light the more imperfection you show and that's how it is and so there really will be no explanation and yet they're saying but what when didn't we do this they think themselves better than they are there's this thing that we need to understand it's my fault it's my fault I did it I cannot blame my dad and my mom I cannot blame my ethnicity or lack of education or finances I can't do that before God it's just me and God and he's not going to take my excuses and when these people begin to try and debate really when did we not do that we're really good people no you didn't even do the basic thing you didn't do it for the least of these and not doing it for them you are not doing it for me you have no relationship with me and therefore all you have and Jesus is saying this left for you is everlasting punishment it's not a punishment that is temporary we're not going to have a cosmic time out where we're sitting on a little stool with our face against the corner but 20 minutes later we're out it's eternal never never ending always continuing again the absence of hope the absence of love the absence of comfort the absence of joy the absence of peace the absence of relationship with God the absence of light Jesus used different ways to describe it the worm doesn't die the fire is never quenched in order for us to understand it's a terrible place it's not a place to want to be reserved and resigned you know somebody once said it like this he said you may laugh yourself into hell but you cannot laugh yourself out of it you can say oh you know that's that primitive mindset that you Christians have and that's the reason I don't like Christianity hellfire and brimstone I would ask the question once the last time I did a study including in this church on that subject most of us don't speak about it unless the passage is presenting it what we like to spend our time in is the grace and the love and the mercy of God because that's what saves you but the fact is if you reject what God offers the only thing left to you is judgment somebody said if there be one thing in hell worse than another it will be seeing the saints in heaven oh to think of seeing my mother in heaven while I am cast out husband there is your wife in heaven and you are among the damned do you see your father your child is before the throne and you a cursed of God and of man are in hell nor the hell of hells will be to see our friends in heaven and ourselves lost the hell of hells so Jesus is saying we have a choice and those who come through the tribulation they will receive judgment they will have had seven added years of opportunity they would have seen the judgments of God that were so extreme they would have seen so much and there would have been extreme opportunities for them to come to faith in Christ 144,000 evangelists that would be proclaiming the gospel they will have two witnesses who will be proclaiming the gospel an angel proclaiming the gospel they will have chance after chance after chance as judgment upon judgment increasing over seven years falls on planet earth and then it finally ends and those who survive stand before the judge and Jesus is looking and he separates people on the right and on the left he welcomes those people who are on the right come into the kingdom that has been prepared for you by my father from eternity for you demonstrated in the midst of all of this genuine faith in me for in feeding and clothing and giving water to and visiting all these who are down and out and going through so much suffering you showed real faith in me enter in it's prepared for you and then the other the goats are there saying when didn't we do that you didn't do it to the least of these who are mine you never did it to me you have a place and that place is hell not a momentary not a temporary but forever very powerful and Jesus is saying this to his men because these men soon are going to be taking this gospel to a world and he's letting them know


I think there's a lot of learning that has happened over the last two days. The civil society session was for me the key session for me in just interacting in terms of the kind of problems that are arising to understand the landscape. That was one of the biggest takeaways, the value of transparency. Investing in creating open communication and transparency allows the conversation to happen at a much more informed level and allows us to reach solutions rather than just blame each other for problems. I think this is the time to take that pause, to look at issues from a perspective of human rights, bring the human rights discourse into businesses which has been forgotten for a while and activate the human side of business. The working group believed that we need to go outside Geneva and work with all these stakeholders to promote the implementation of UN guiding principles. We had participants not only from South Asia but also other countries and we really had a very good appetite for all these stakeholders to work together to make a positive change. These voices from the inaugural UN South Asia Forum on Business and Human Rights captured the challenges and solutions linked to the burgeoning economies of South Asia. Economies that are growing rapidly but often at the cost of compromised labour standards, disregard of human rights, gender inequalities, unfair land acquisition and attacks on human rights defenders. The UNDP's B plus HR Asia unit and the UN Working Group on Business and Human Rights co-organized this inaugural forum held in New Delhi, India on 14th and 15th of March 2019. The forum brought together over 200 participants from 16 countries representing government, civil society, academia, business, trade unions and the UN family. It created a platform to facilitate collaboration among varied stakeholders including the private sector. Their aim to mitigate adverse impacts of business activities on human rights and to contribute to achieving sustainable development goals in South Asia. The group assessed key challenges, opportunities and took stock of progress made in South Asia in implementing the UN guiding principles for business and human rights. The idea is to work together and find solutions working together. So the approach is solution oriented approach. The group also encouraged peer learning among states and businesses in South Asia and facilitated regional exchange of good practices. Collaboration for all parties is very important. The stakeholders cannot work in isolation. Over 11 sessions, the participants deliberated on how to implement the three pillars of the UN guiding principles, protect, respect and remedy. The state duty to protect rights, corporate responsibility to respect rights and the need for remedy to address gaps. What I try to impress upon all the stakeholders is what I call ABC. We need to raise awareness, we need to build capacity and then we need to collaborate and if we do these ABC well then we can promote the implementation of UN guiding principles much faster and much better throughout the globe. The organizational commitment was at the highest level. From the UNDP, its administrator Achim Steiner emphasized the importance of human rights as a bedrock of sustainable development goals. He highlighted that today, business's social license to operate is contingent upon respect of human rights. That notion of a license to operate is much more than just an abstract sentiment amongst consumers or citizens. Professor Suryadeva, who chairs the UN working group on business and human rights, reaffirmed the group's commitment to engage with all stakeholders to implement the guiding principles and more importantly, take the discussions beyond the chambers of Geneva, where the UN annual forum meets each year. Injiti Srinivas, Secretary, Ministry of Corporate Affairs India, enthralled the audience narrating the evolution of business and human rights discourse in India. From the Gandhian ideal of trusteeship to more philanthropic approach of businesses, from corporate social responsibility to responsible business conduct, from national voluntary guidelines to policy commitment to develop the National Action Plan on Business and Human Rights by 2020, and the government's engagement with the treaty process. What was discretionary, voluntary, not voluntary to legally bind them? You're moving in a particular direction. The writing is on the wall and therefore, it is better that we start moving in that direction and reorienting our business practices. Governments, including India, Thailand, Nepal, Malaysia and Maldives, shared the challenges and opportunities in drafting national policy frameworks. Businesses demonstrated how companies could turn challenges into opportunities by conducting human rights due diligence throughout their business operations and discussed the role of multi-stakeholder coalitions to promote business respect for human rights. The group conferred the complexities of value chains in today's world and its implications on human rights due diligence processes and practices. The role of stakeholders, particularly states and the investors in contributing to the scaling up of effective human rights due diligence, was also discussed. We also need to innovate and find out new ways of addressing and resolving the chronic human rights challenges that we have within our own organizations, operations, especially supply chain. So I think it's incredible and I call out all the businesses to participate in a much more wholehearted manner and take care of the opportunity that we have. Deliberations on the third pillar, access to remedy varied from the role of courts and national human rights institutions in facilitating access to remedy to understanding the guiding principles and improving labor standards beyond the factory walls and the impacts of development projects on communities. The national human rights institutions from the region shared their tools and strategies to support the private sector so that companies can discharge their responsibility to respect human rights in line with the guiding principles and learn from each other's strengths. The session on women, business and human rights debated the business case for women's rights and the impact of intersectionality on substantive equality and raised pertinent questions on gender considerations with respect to human rights. The forum provided an opportunity for regional civil society organizations to come together and exchange good practices and discuss their strategies and tools to engage with governments and the private sector to address business related human rights impacts. Each session at the forum was power packed and allowed the participants to engage in dialogue on issues that can significantly impact human rights of workers and human rights defenders. Growth and progress are important but critically so are rights. We moved the needle I think strongly on awareness. We reached out to a lot of people so we need each and every of these 200 people to become ambassadors for business and human rights. A real discussion about how the UN can help introduce legally binding standards for the corporations so that their activities do not lead to violation of human rights and do not pollute environment anymore. The most important thing for me was of course that there were so many companies which were local companies in this session. Usually these conversations have a lot of multinational but seeing local companies coming and sharing their experiences were extremely important and I hope this is the first of many such conversations. I'm confident that these two-day deliberations would create the environment for partnership between these countries to promote the cause of business and human rights. It is through efforts such as these that the B plus HR Asia leverages trusted relationships throughout the region and convenes governments, private sector actors, civil society and national human rights institutions to achieve greater coherence for collective action to promote responsible business practices in Asia. We're actually very fortunate to have participants from different sides of the table and I think the coming together of these different stakeholders with diverse interests and diverse and different priorities I think that's been the key success and the momentum that's been created through the forum I hope those synergies that are being created I hope people continue to build on that.


My name is Don Cripal. I'm currently Director of Eye Detect Services with the Capital Center for Credibility Assessment, C3A, also a member of the Converis Technical Advisory Board for Eye Detect. I have three years of federal service, all of it in the Credibility Assessment Arena, primarily in the area of polygraph, but more recently in other technologies as well. There are a number of advantages that Eye Detect System could offer to the U.S. government. One is to help stem the problem of illegal immigration. In particular, if Eye Detect stations were put in certain embassies where visa fraud is known to be rampant, it could help consular officers determine which individuals need more scrutiny than others. According to official State Department reporting, the average consular officer spends about six minutes with each visa applicant. And in that time, it has to make a determination as to whether fraud is likely or unlikely. If one were to add Eye Detect to the screening process, the consular officer would be able to focus his or her efforts more on those individuals that are probably going to be involved in visa fraud. It's also cost-neutral to the government because the cost of an Eye Detect task could actually be folded into the cost of applying for a visa. A second application for Eye Detect technology would be in the screening of applicants. There are several intelligence agencies that use polygraphs in order to screen applicants before they're given access to highly sensitive information. It would be possible to use the Eye Detect station to pre-skate screen individuals so that those individuals who are most likely to pass the polygraph examination are given priority in the polygraph line. Therefore, streamlining the process, putting more workers into position sooner, and an additional layer of protection against the insider threat for the government and its classified systems. The other application related to that is the testing of current employees now subject to polygraph testing to pre-screening with Eye Detect to help determine which individuals should be given polygraph perhaps more often than the five-year cycle, and those individuals that might be judged to be lower threat. The current system is to screen all government employees with highly sensitive security clearances every five years. We call it the calendar-based method. If one had a pre-screening tool to tell which individuals probably need to be brought in sooner and those individuals who can wait, it allows the US government to detect the insider threat problems sooner and to focus this polygraph program on areas where the threat is largest.


If you're a fresher and you want to showcase your project work, so sometimes in an offline interview where you won't be able to showcase your org where you have implemented the project. So what you can do along with CV, you can have a booklet where you can have some screenshots of the configurations, flows, Apex port that you have implemented. So like if you remember in college, we submit a project report. So that kind of report you can prepare and you can showcase that to your interviewer. So that interviewer will see that report and automatically questions will be coming from that report on me. And if you have really implemented that project, so you will be able to answer those questions.


and getting with like their different prototypes making sure the game can run on modern hardware and software I think that has been like 90% of their time just getting the game to run and now that it's up I would speculate based off their time frame and sort of where we are right now that everything else that they have to do like these sort of like cosmetic and just like small sort of you know like regenerates you know auto-attectors stuff like that I think those are pretty just they can just hammer those out I would speculate yeah that's what I would guess that yeah I I think I think that they feel that they are very close yeah no 100% they wouldn't have made an announcement like that if they weren't close because to give to give could give people which most people would guess what six to nine month release time schedule right like that's not a lot of time to release a product if you weren't ready they definitely have a marketable product already as far as what they even said like at the devil this is as far as we got I would flip I would put that up to fluff I think that's fluff because no company and there's even of their caliber no matter how big of a streamer we are what we what we're asking are ever going to give you 100% direct answers or the real answer because like they're they're still a competitive market whether they're working on their old game or not like there are other games out there right now releasing classic servers in the way in the wake of what these guys are doing if they give up any trade secret these other guys can go through like other other like Lord Lord of the Rings release the server with changes because they probably believe that Blizzard's going to stick to that like that formula and I bet Blizzard's looking at Lord of the Rings sales right now and going okay we'll see how well their change server did and what the population thinks there's people who are happy about it but there's a massive volume of people like fuck this I'm not playing because you changed so Blizzard's going to look at that too every time a game is released you look at every competitor of your genre see what they're doing and then try to do better than that's why my as a company my companies is always don't reinvent the wheel find the guy who made the best one and see if you can make his better right there you go don't reinvent the wheel there's absolutely no reason to do so because you're going to you're going to fuck it up you can't you're not get the if there's somebody who's over to the best perfect what he's done right blizzard's mistake was not perfecting on the systems they already have they started implementing new systems that that completely negated their original right and now they've gone too far into their new systems with the original systems and are non-existent right so they're completely non-existent right so and now they're slowly trying to implement those things back into the into the modern game and they already have the things laid out for the original game so classic is a road map they're going to look at the failures of other developers doing the classic server releases plug that data into their system and then hopefully create the best version blizzard is the top tier quality they are the go to when it comes to mmo's why are they the longest lasting because they are the best regardless of negative complaints they have the survivability longevity and the financial backing to show that nobody does it better than blizzard nobody so they're looking at everything happening right now and they are going to hammer out all of the mistakes everyone else is making right I'm sure they looked at runescape and said oh look at what they did right here's what they did wrong we'll never do that right that's why I think that's why they stood firm if it wasn't in classic it won't be in classic right no post no post next content no new content no content that didn't exist you know because that's a lot of people like don't realize like some people aren't asking for like just burning crusades some people are asking for new stuff that never existed just so they can stay in the world like oh maybe they'll add some new quest like no no no no no no no runescape did that didn't work piss people off it just pisses people off blizzard's not going to make that mistake and that's why they stuck to the guns on that where do you think they got that idea they didn't just pull it out of the air they watched runescape and said oof that could have been something special but the fan base wasn't happy about this so we can't do that they're gonna look at Lord of the Rings online said the same thing well they've made all brought in all of their quality of life changes as well as even said in their thing we're going to bring in our cash shop eventually which wasn't originally in Lord of the Rings online right like eventually it's gonna be in our classic model that's people are like fuck off no you can't be serious right well I think that I think with OSRS I think with OSRS they they actually grew after this they got to the end they got to the end they actually grew after like post whatever patch content so that's whenever OSRS started to grow is whenever they had they had new content put in but like in the same vein as like old school as opposed to like the patches and stuff that's what you're talking about right you're talking about more like the patches and expansions and stuff like that versus like like progressive content yeah so I think I think for me the big thing with the the big thing with me for the beta alpha I think that they should kind of like they should segment it right like hey this week we're going to test but they said it's still I guess the devos slots think they're still on the table we kind of prepared ourselves to like accept 16 devos slots I think 16 devos slots can work but I think it has to I think it opens the door for tuning of some of the early content with 16 devos slots like if people are doing more damage between that between 1.12 talents I think I think that it does open the door for like hey we might like tune the health values here and there in order to make it not like a total cakewalk and I don't think it's going to be a total cakewalk don't get me wrong but that's how a lot of people view it and I think the best way for them to test it is like hey if we have like segmented testing periods where okay guys this week we're going to put some vendors and iron forge or wherever and you can go and you can pick out all your loot this is the this is the loot that's available to you go off and do the raids and maybe you they have it with eight devos slots and they look at the kill times the next week they do 16 to you slots look at the kill times look at the data and that way they can see is like well look I mean they killed the boss this much faster whenever you had 16 devos slots or they might say wow look at this we we tested it with eight and then we tested with 16 and there wasn't that big of a difference and and like people were just wrong because there's a chance of that too right because that's an inference that that we're making and the inference that a lot of people are making is that well if you have more devos slots debuff slots the damage could be way higher but it might just be a little bit higher so I mean if no one knows though true Blizzard values would be even bosses and stuff like most of that stuff is just right my private servers anyways right so right it's it's up the Blizzard to say this is actually what it is and their word is final here right so like that's why I think that's why I think the the beta period is very very important I think it's crucial or like the testing period alpha beta whatever you want to call it I think it's crucial to find out like the the right things like kind of the the right way to approach all those little little progressions within the game another thing is like the pvp gear update having the honor system in or not having the honor system in do you guys do you guys have any more thoughts on the on the alpha or beta before we move on to q and a oh not really let's get to q and a man let's get to the good stuff yeah and to clarify too one thing I say because I stop people in chat I I'm not saying old school runescape wasn't a success because it was a massive success right it was what I'm talking about was the eventual negative comments that came in when they started releasing like like post content content that wasn't originally there I didn't yeah like I I I'll let you finish yeah I'm just saying that's that's that's why I don't think it's like I understand it was an absolutely great success and it still played to this day still still holds great viewership on twitch but I can tell you that a lot of people went back to private old school runescape servers because runescape stopped delivering the original experience people that's all I was saying was that like once you start adding and changes you will lose a chunk of your community that's all yeah OSRS is great RuneScape and WoW vanilla WoW old school runescape vanilla are very very different they will experience very very different problems problems that old school runescape experience with population decline are unique to RuneScape and will not necessarily be present in in World of Warcraft post change content and the way it bolsters old school runescape will not necessarily bolster or bolster or serve to benefit vanilla WoW like it is not a one-to-one I think that conflation is a very incorrect when I see it all the time and having spent a lot of time playing both of those games like at it a lot of time playing those games they are very very different games I think from a casual glance oh yeah this is the old version of a game that's the old version of a game oh yeah one-to-one same thing very very different games with very very unique problems that have to be addressed very very differently very well said so guys we're going to go ahead and move on into Q&A if you guys want to tweet at us hashtag classic cast in the tweets tips out baby Chrome official S-fan TV stay safe TV I have a question here from Viget we'll start on we'll start on Twitter and then we we might take some questions from the chat as well but this question is from Viget do you think the reason for them bundling is easy with BWL is that they want every stage to have content for different audiences 20 man raids in both stage two and stage three I'll go ahead and start I don't know I don't think that's necessarily I don't think that's necessarily a point I think if that's the reason why they're doing it it I don't think that's the reason they're doing it because in vanilla the content wasn't necessarily for two different audiences it was but it wasn't so vanilla did a really good job and vanilla while they did a really good job of making the content that was released matter for everybody in some capacity right so ZG was introduced to the game and it was basically like a it was a catch up mechanic for people doing five man content for people doing for people going from five man content without a big rating guilt to go into MC and and maybe into BWL there's certain things in there like I talk about the the two-handed acts that increases attack power against dragonkin I mean that's literally in there only for BWL if you're like a two-handed fury or quarry or something but I think that there is like a lower tier or lower lower end gear available in those dungeons and those raids and the same thing with a Q 20 but they also have ways of keeping the the higher end players coming to ZG and that's getting the rep getting getting the rep for the shoulder enchant specifically there's off pieces in there that are really really good there is the I forgot what the name of the item is there's a spell hit trinket in there that is really good for tanks on four horsemen right because because taunt is based off of spell hit there's a lot of stuff in ZG that the higher end players want as well all the spell hit gear that's put in with the blood vine sets and all that different recipes so ZG is something that sure it was introduced as a catch-up mechanic but the best way to introduce a catch-up mechanic is not necessarily to put content in there that is just an easier version it's just it's not just easy and 20 man and able to get you better gear with less effort in order to do MC in order to do BWL it's something that you have both sides or you have many sides of the player base coming together to do the same thing and it kind of helps the lower end players out by playing with the higher end players and it kind of promotes these guys up and it gets these guys what they want because they want their shoulder enchants and they want all that stuff it's the same thing in MC right it's the same thing in MC with like onslaught girdle is the example I use a lot of times it's the it's the second best plate DPS belt in the game and you get that in molten core after the 1.5 patch the next best plate belt is girdle the mentor off of rezuvius and necks so stuff like this I think I think in vanilla wow they did a really good job really good job at doing it like this I think it would be very they'd be very misguided if that was the reason that they did it in order to to have content for different types of people if they thought that the reason to put in a 20 man and a 40 man in phase two and three would be to have content for different types of people because really the content is for everybody so what what do you guys think about that I kind of rambled on for a little bit but about the concept of having in phase two and three ZG release with BWL AQ AQ 20 and AQ 40 are obviously going to be together but maybe we're just really more specifically it's about ZG and BWL coming out together I agree I agree without you saying I really nothing more I could say that you did that you didn't you know mm hmm kind of covers that I don't see I don't see a reason to do that yeah me too it was very well said rambled or not here's my thing with the content release timeline like I actually really understand why they're thinking of doing it this way of course it's not one to one with vanilla wow of course it'll upset up around private server players but I actually really really understand why they're considering doing it I actually fully expect them to do a four a four patch content release timeline I fully expect them to do that I think that's what they will probably stick with just for the sake of simplicity re-releaseability and understandability for your average player I really think they will do is it what I is it what I prefer no I think maybe a six or seven point release timeline would be better but I actually really understand why they're thinking of doing it yeah I mean it's good to understand it though but you know from your understanding from private servers and your understanding of like survivability and longevity like like you said if it's a hard job for feedback it's gotta make sure that you keep pushing that subject yeah they make a four point they make a four point release that's that's fine for them and I get it's great to understand them because I understand them too from a from a technical standpoint I understand them but I can also see like the financial gain I'm taking it slower yeah and I mean too yeah like I was just gonna say like just because like something is like four is like a nice number or something it's a nice pretty number I mean it doesn't mean like once you come up with a formula once you do it once you can just do it over and over again right and I don't I really think this I think that just because they release a fresh server a certain or like the they release classic a certain way doesn't mean that nothing will change from the first set to the the second set of fresh servers again like it's not 100% confirmed but it's an inference we're making based on what we heard and they're they're having they want to have something that works for like 15 years I mean that's how private servers did it like you know what whenever we we did this this this didn't actually work out right so let's change the timeline a little bit here now obviously they do want something formulaic they want something that's going to work every time but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get the answer 100% right the first time I don't know I mean that's that's just something I would keep an eye on maybe like but I think as far as like phases and stuff like that goes I think they're going to want to get the right number of phases the first time that's what I that's kind of how I feel about it I definitely feel that whatever they decide to go with that is what they will go with for every new iteration of classic wow every fresh server every path moving forward it's going to be a template it's going to be frozen in time and they're going to apply it I attend to I think that's their goal that's their goal is to get that template and to get it right the first time I'm sure that that's a big effort of theirs yeah I think that would like to I think I really think they would like to but whatever they figure out it's it's got to be something that just like works right for them to do every time so I don't know I think I think in a perfect world there they would just get it right the first time but we'll see how that goes let's see this one's from curl have you been lucky enough to experience the project 60 event yesterday what are your thoughts on it even more packed starting zone and classic drops don't you think it will explode and the start and ruin the experience no not necessarily I mean we like we did project 60 yesterday and after this I know stay safe it's going to continue a stream I'm going to continue the stream and we're both going to be doing project 60 stuff but I don't think that it's necessarily just going to like blow up the server is there anything I mean it it mean it could if you know if there's just so many people logging in but I think if there's like Q times and the difference between project 60 the difference between project 60 and what would happen on classic release is there there's guaranteed no mob no shared mob tags um well I guess not guaranteed but but they didn't talk anything about it I would really hope not because that's something that's not vanilla and then the the concept of project 60 that the sharding is there for sure and they don't know for sure if they're going to have sharding in in retail right so sharding and stuff like that's that's a stability thing in retail wow in classic the reason for sharding would basically be so people could like actually kill stuff and get out of it what do you guys think about that so on asm gold stream I think it was just yesterday afternoon we saw when he tried to log into project 60 character on moon guard everything was it was like like there was like over a minute of delay it was terrible it was rough I think there was another group event like 150 people couple raid groups like weaker was it so to pop in the did it and the GMs actually told them you need to disperse because for service ability you guys have to break break this up I'm not sure exactly what that event was but I heard about it sort of briefly I think that every sort of server setting they have and I'm not an expert on this but this is sort of my understanding every sort of server setting they have right now for BFA is set that way with in conjunction with charting it is what I've been told is that they can sort of change settings to help alleviate the problem that we saw on asm gold stream yesterday I don't think it'll be exactly the same I think that assuming that oh this is how it is in BFA this is exactly how it will be in the classic while I think that's sort of a false assumption and sort of a bad premise yeah yeah I definitely hope so I mean obviously I when they know and a game is coming out when they're anticipating you know the millions of players hopefully they do adjust things because I was there for that launch yesterday I think you guys were there too that project 60 launch yikes if classic is like that you know I think the only we're gonna suffer with that you're good they have the capacity to spawn a bunch of like NPC players and try to move around and do stuff they know exactly the sort of problems they will face they probably watched the Asmongold stream the other day where he had these problems they know exactly how these problems they know exactly what the problems are and how they're going to manifest you can imagine like they don't want that for launch day they don't want this for aq gates they don't want this for old bus lights they don't want this for all truck valley they don't want these problems I am 99.9% sure that they know that they are a problem like there's no way they don't there's no way that they're just that you know head burn to the sand I'm I'm sure that they are changing things like it will not be exactly how it is in BFA that's that's my assumption yeah I really yeah that's not good and like we like we've said like repeatedly over and over again the preference is no sharding they said they're they're looking at the best option they're trying to figure out what they want to do they're trying to figure out what they want to do that's going to be the best so it's like whether that's dynamic response or sharding or some other system and we talked about that all earlier yeah we talked about all of that earlier but that's one thing that I think like all of us here and the overwhelming majority of the community does not is not a huge fan of the sharding so I mean I saw I saw two 40 man raid groups like organize on the classic demo everyone casting mass amount of spells at once and I never didn't experience even a slightest bit of lag like I do when I do like the brawler stuff when you're doing South Shore versus Torrey Mill or whatever you literally have to turn your settings down to zero on a super computer to play on that that was it was already a night and day compared to BFA in classic like if you can have 80 people in the same area as each other and you're not lagging and it's in classic wow then they're already doing right but like BFA's version I think it's a graphical thing mainly too I think it's taxing you know there's way more like there's so much more going on visually in BFA that demands PC power that doesn't really it's not really an issue in classic I think the only people who are going to be having that issue the guys if Blizzard leaves in the the graphic sliders the guy who maxes everything out he's gonna be the other one going oh frick this is really difficult I can't play my eight graphics cards are still burning out like you know whether people could argue Blizzard should have the technology or not but I don't know any game that can hold 80 people in the same area as each other and not lag I don't know any game there's not one that I've played where they could all be in the same spot and we're not lagging especially since every other game it's graphically more demanding than any Blizzard game in existence oh yeah I mean you raise a great point on the classic demo we had between tips turn in my turn I think we both at points people in the same spot all spamming abilities spamming text whatever that that would leg out of server and BFA there's already difference they've already adjusted something that's actually a great point something has already been changed to accommodate for those extra player burns yeah I think and like I really wish I knew more about like the the backend development side of things to really be able to speak to that more but yeah I mean it's it's really all just inference at this point yeah so do we uh let's see let's let's go and move on guys we'll take a few more questions from Twitch chat if you guys have any more questions for us yeah we because because we want to what we're going to be doing here is we're going to take a few more questions sorry I got semi-distracted do you want to do you want to go ahead and talk about project 60 for a second and what we're going to do with that so so basically we we've talked about this before guys a project 60 is going on right now it's it's like a fun community event this is what project 60 is it's a fun community event where for people who happen to be playing retail wow what we're doing is we're leveling up to 60 on moon guard we have a couple guilds classic alpha is one guild the other guild is classic chads so you can you can you can whisper us for invites and it's just a way for people that go up we're going to go to level 60 we're going to group up together we're going to do dungeons do the raids at 60 and it's it's like a fun community event maybe like a week or so maybe maybe a couple weeks but at a certain point what we want to do is we want to go beyond project 60 and we want to turn our project 60 into a project 70 and the basically in order to get into project 70 what the requirement is going to be is you're going to have to get the achievement for killing nefarion cthun and rag on that character so basically the idea is and you have to start with a brand new character the idea is you go through level 60 and you do all the bosses obviously there's no you know nax was nax was wrath right guys so yeah we want to we want to do this and then we want to move on and and continue our guild into project 70 and who knows we might we might even move into an 80 we're not sure yet we don't we haven't looked that far ahead but the idea would be to start now to go through it and it's just a way for people to make friends people to make friends get involved with one another we can we can group with people we can raid with people we haven't 100% decided like how how everything's gonna work out but there'll be multiple raid groups there'll be multiple just constant dungeon groups running the whole time so I think it could be I think it could be something that's really fun to do you know yeah so so this is to say if you want to do project 70 a couple weeks or however long down the road you should be doing project 60 on moon guard alliance side right now join one of the two guilds probably as funds guild classic chats I'll try to join that guild and I can help give out invites to people and get people involved I'll be streaming at tips of doing it everyone's doing it but yeah like I was gonna say if you want to participate in project 70 or wherever else that leads you need to be doing project 60 level up play within the rules do ragnaros after the ragnaros progress on the blacking layer blacking layer you progress on a cthune and from there you'll chill until we until we announce a project 70 date so once you're 60 lock your xp and then we're gonna take care of business yeah and there's certain rules I was gonna say certain rules like no no boas basically the idea is to play it as vanilla as possible that's that's basically the idea behind it yeah no mount till 40 just just try and play the game as vanilla as possible so no heirloom items or anything like that now some things because of balance they said specifically for 60 we got to look at this for 70 like it kind of sucks but like no engineering because of the engineering items or two and completely bonkers for level 60 but um but yeah I'll get you guys a link to the rules in the chat right now but um but yeah so so we'll go on we're still we're taking a few more questions if there's any more questions if not we'll call it a day let's see um I just want to say one quick thing about the projects to incentivize you guys a little bit more in patch 7.3.5 in case you guys didn't know this Blizzard changed the leveling so it actually takes a lot longer to level now it's a lot more fun and some of the quests in the world are decently challenging you know a little bit closer to what they were back in the day on top of that the raids were tuned as well they were changed a little bit too so if you guys are thinking back to like Cungan's old project 60s where they literally like did them naked it's it's a little bit more challenging than that and p70 gets even harder p80 even harder so it is fun even at the end game but yeah go ahead us man so here's a question from toxin I have a question on behalf of the two guys from before give us your insights as well as chrome states and tips you guys are interested in saying something about it on how you'd feel with blizzard taking classic into burning crusade and eventually into wrath or just making separate service for burning crusade wrath or burning wait burning crusade wrath and then having wrath release on the same burning crusade servers you don't see it happening so yeah basically we this is something that comes up kind of often I think that it does make sense it all depends on how much money that classic makes if you're blizzard like if if classic does well which I think it will do very well I think we could see burning crusade servers I would like to see burning crusade servers put on I would like to see burning crusade servers put on a new server fresh server that you have the ability to to copy your character too that's what I that's what I think they should do I think you should have the ability to copy your character there I think if you start from level one on burning crusade server almost always there's a massive horde population imbalance just massive massive massive good yeah so that's god intended it's really bad it's actually really really bad it's really bad that that is what's killed literally every single burning crusade private servers so they've got to do something to prevent that from happening I think probably having the og classic servers turn into tbc servers is the best option that if you want to keep your character your og level 60 full tier 3 character at level 60 they can have like a stasis server where you can right you copy your level 60 character over there if that's what people want do I think those servers those stasis servers will be very active long term no but I understand some people might have like an attachment to those characters so yeah I think that's probably a good option but yeah I think the best way is to have each each vanilla server turn into a tbc server and then tbc server turns into wrath whatever whatever whatever I think that's the best way to do it which is actually just how the game happened originally now I think that once the first wave of vanilla servers turn into tbc servers at that exact time they should offer fresh classic servers because if they don't they're back on the situation where if you want to replay let's say you missed classic well let's say you missed vanilla wow and the first iteration of classic wow you're where we are right now like if you're on the options to play a private server so I think that they should re-offer a new classic service for people that might want to yeah fresh that people want to replay or play for the first time if they missed the first two times force transition is a bad idea that's actually the most no changes that you can possibly be that's how it is of course I mean I mean that's no changes and everything like that but force trend I mean the negative sides of force transition are definitely rough you know I think if a person wants to keep I think they release a fresh classic server roll everybody over to a post Naxarama server you have the option of copying your character over and playing on TPC as well as keeping your character over on that that Nax server just think forcing you to like say goodbye to that character forever like it may be a note maybe no changes but like I mean a lot of a lot of people didn't like that and like I said earlier yeah it was that swifty clip yeah like if I want to play if I want to play TPC but also keep my you know my next here guy over there he'll stay over there like he's just there like he has no effect on my TPC character like my TPC character is on his own he's moved on I'm playing him you mean like the idea of a Stasis server yeah exactly yeah that's exactly that's exactly what they should do yeah they shouldn't they shouldn't force people I just don't want people I just don't want it to like oh as soon as like okay so now I want to take my 60 character moving to TPC I don't want the the 60 character to just be gone off for that vanilla server forever I just want a copy of them there I can leave them there I can log in the class like anytime I want go back to that old school post next content anytime I want even if the server's dead like don't force anybody over to to to delete their character well not you know what I mean not deleted but remove him from class I can push him into TPC and then you can never go back to that guy again you never go back to your class yeah stuck around I don't like that idea yeah you shouldn't no push no bully yeah basically I agree like you shouldn't you shouldn't have that situation where basically people are people are forced into not being able to play their vanilla character anymore because like and you know Crom you said it specifically yourself you want to get everything you want to go and you know you want to go back and you might be full tier three and you want to get your Thunder Fury like there's a lot you don't want to accomplish on that one character so which is which is the service that the stasis servers would would serve right right exactly exactly yeah um yeah let's take let's take one maybe two more questions Saren asked something in the chat it's very interesting because my opinion on this has kind of changed lately really asks yeah Sarendipity's asks Cross Realm BGs or no could be really really bad queue times considering some servers will have 70-30 faction balance what do you guys think about it so I said no well well this is something that we we talked about this in the past we talked about this in a really early classic cast and I said no as well and state that you said no then too I believe but but playing devil's advocate you also brought up a really good point it's like look Cross Realm Battlegrounds were added in 1.12 and they were added at the end of vanilla because it was kind of like a necessary evil for some of these people sitting in like 40 minute queues to try and get into a battleground so then that's one of the concept of battle groups first came in now it was it was like you know that eventually led to you know what we have now with the Cross Realm stuff and people really don't like that in the the census of our community but it'll be interesting to see how they approach that I uh they specifically said in the panel that they don't foresee people they don't they don't want to have people grouping with people from other servers didn't they specifically say that phrase like grouping with people from other servers won't be a thing so if that goes into well battlegrounds you're grouping with other people from other servers yeah I don't I don't think they'll do it but really I don't think they're planning on doing it but who knows I mean it might end up being a big issue because that's what happened in vanilla is there were some servers with like a 70 30 faction balance and people were sitting in queue for like 40 minutes so hopefully not hopefully that doesn't end up being a problem but uh because I don't want to see it that was brought out like the the cross cross realm pvp was brought in like afterdacks correct yeah it was it was the patch afterdacks yeah yeah that mean because that's yeah and I I think that they probably added that in because they knew that with tbc with patch 2.0 which followed like four or five months after they they were going to be adding that for for a renown stuff like that I'm not sure how much like after like researching it more I'm not sure how much they really wanted that in vanilla wow as much as they were getting ready for tbc that seems to be it makes sense it really does make sense I mean if you look at the way the patches were laid out it's that's how I'll tell you though like as far as like having intra server battlegrounds so everyone in your battlegrounds you actually are actually on your server there's nothing more badass than leveling up your level 27 and you know you're fighting a horde player in whatever zone and you know his name you remember his name he gangs you you gank him and you're level 53 now you see him again you kill him again and then you're now you're level 60 you're rank 7 you're farming honor you see that same guy in the battleground you remember that guy like having that name recognition is in my opinion one in one to vanilla wow that's what vanilla wow is all about and so I think definitely having cross server battlegrounds definitely undermines that that aspect of vanilla well those rivalries those in game rivalries are part of it it's really it's part of and as far as farming honor with long battleground queues it doesn't mean you can't farm honor it just means you have to farm honor in a different way so you let's say you're on the faction that is super long queues or a half hour 45 minute long queue you're queuing up for battleground and rather than you know getting an instant queue now you're flying to searing gorge you're flying to wherever else and you're farming honor in open what you're actually incentivized to do open world pvp to rank which I don't even think is necessarily a bad thing either you just have to rank differently I like that no that's how I feel to put it because I mean there's a couple there's a couple I won't you know just because it's private server stuff I won't promote the streets but there's a couple like you know ranking streamers out there that are doing like push rank 14 on a regular basis and I see them do that very same thing like they'll they'll queue up for a bg takes a while they get like they get the five man group with their buddies and they're just out world pvp until it pops like all day that's what they're doing they're laughing they're enjoying themselves the world pvp they're sniping world buffs off of other raids they're just just enjoying their time out in the world farming honor the only way they can and then the bgposs they have a blast they the wind they lose and they go right back to it just keep doing it over and over and over again and it's actually really fun to watch and it's really fun to do is I've been there too those long queue times you can't avoid well guys I think that's it for us today I know stay safe is gonna is gonna keep streaming after I'm gonna keep streaming after guys if you haven't followed crom yet twitch.tv slash crom twitter crom official if you guys haven't followed myself stay safe tips out stay 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