everybody welcome into today's dream I'm sorry I'm running a few minutes behind here today I've got some things set up though for you and I thought I enticed the dog to come here because first I'd put a bone out and he never came over he wouldn't wasn't interested in the bone he's playing with the ball well then he got the ball over there you saw a second ago and then you just stole the bone it ran off so I don't know if he'll be back we'll see I've got cold cam I've got cold cam ready to go but what we're gonna talk about today is exactly what you see in the title the lovely luxurious B&O MX 5000 television special live show here today so this is kind of an unknown unseen extremely rare television to be here in the United States where I am located and this one specifically is designed to be here in the United States it wasn't as if it was an imported one from Europe or Japan where they are obviously much more common so what we're he's back here we go let's see there we go he's finally decided to come back and hang out maybe a little bit with us so we'll see we'll see if he stays around yeah we're all looking at you that's right yeah you got that bone you're so proud all right thanks mega cards 615 thanks Tony Escobar thanks to W. Morford overclockwise great to see you as always Johan thank you Victor K thank you for coming to Sam this is all great we're gonna have fun today SOS gamers welcome in I'm gonna be watching the chat a little bit again today I told you we're going over this MX 5000 CRT that was from the United States I went through and restored it now I did do a stream like hmm about 10 days ago 11 days ago maybe heck it might have been two weeks ago hey vapor man good to see you so I did a stream where I went through the initial findings on this CRT so you can go back and watch that and see what it's like to begin with because that was really the first time where I take it in the shop got it prepped did it once over on it and then got ready to start the restoration process so just to note the reason that this this intrigued me this this is about a year-long going you know I like to go first off I'm gonna be in anybody's here and has a chance to go to Retro World Expo in Connecticut this upcoming weekend I will be there next Saturday all day in retro RGB's booth hanging out with some goodies as far as like CRT stuff I've got some cool things I'm gonna be bringing like some tools and things and hopefully get to do some fun stuff in the booth I love talking to people so if you're gonna be there please do come by and say hello again the Retro World Expo but this whole restoration was from a an ex that retro World Expo from last year this originated from a gentleman who came up to me at the show told me had bought this television and it is again a super rare television in the United States but as we saw in the first episode live stream on this it is one that was designed by B&O to try to come into the United States it was the first one they'd ever made BMX 5000 so anyway Refail had talked to me at the convention just came up and said hello said he had this television wanted to know if I had any interest in doing the work on it I told him possibly so if he wanted to bring it to my shop fast forward to July of 2023 hey super guy thanks for showing up today man I hope you're doing awesome but anyway he it's fast forward to July he brings in this television after scheduling it through patreon and I did the work for it we got together he brought it dropped it off in my shop and it's been here and then the plan is to return it to him at the expo this year so he'll be picking it up I'll be driving it up there for him anyway let's look at this television I'm thankful everybody's here now we've got a few minutes under our belt please if you can do me a favor and hit the like button on YouTube if that's possible just so that we can get maybe you know a few more people in here if they're interested I know it's daytime in the United States most people are probably in the office somewhere but if you can sneak around and watch some fun stuff about a lovely European television that again is super rare get some sights here of the pug chewing down on his bone hanging out with his basketball so let's get into this now what what made me cause to be a little bit late today so I'm sorry if anybody was coming for 1020 today I was falling behind schedule I actually hey I felt I just turned 40 I've joked about this with Zez on the podcast that I just turned 40 and I was really feeling out of shape prior after like the 4th of July I felt terrible kind of so I got back into doing some workouts and you know my style it would have to be something really cool so I've been doing my DDP yoga I've been doing this every day almost for about I don't know I mean I want to say about six weeks I'm not every single day I have probably had to miss four days in there due to travel schedules and and work and just not being able to get get a spot to do it but they're literally DVDs and every day and so I feel like a million bucks but that's what kept me I went into the workout and with Mr. DDP himself and the old wrestling aficionados will know who I'm talking about there and doing the diamond cutter workouts so that's what that's what I've been doing today and that kept me a little bit behind I had to get cleaned up but now that I'm cleaned up and I got all the silly introductions out of the way and you've hit the like button and we're gonna get into this we're gonna get into this restoration because man this was a challenging one again this was something I'd never seen before never worked on before and make sure I'm pulling it up on the right screen here I do have different types of media for you so we got some mostly pictures and a couple clips here so I'll be mindful of when the clips come up and I think the big problem with this television in the United States was it was just really faulty and I think when when I go through this restoration you'll understand that this is probably because this television is so complex and so I mean over the top pretty much that so many things have to go perfect all the time and and it doesn't really take a lot to go wrong when you have so many systems relying on each other something can go out and you have problems one of the biggest issues with this television no matter what and this is something I've confirmed with many people who own it is the remote control you have to have a working remote control to use this hey Stefan and boomstick welcome in abes games good to see you anyway we've got the remote right down here in front it says about a 25 26 inch tube and you have to have that remote one of the biggest things though for the United States is the SCART input this thing had a really great unique set of inputs that would have really blown away and made any kind of gaming enthusiasts rule because it does have a RGB input in the back in the form of a SCART input and this is not this is not a BS SCART input this is a real like I stuck RGB after I serviced it and got it to work but this was all this is pre-image is kind of stuff that a lot of people have seen before here's the two gosh the two biggest that I've been working on right being a and then the also the FW 900 and I've not done the episode on that one yet I did do some live streams on that but not not that one so anyway those are the two in the shop that were there here's pre-tests I did on this CRT looks pretty good this was RF RF okay looks pretty darn crispy for RF right let's zoom in a little bit maybe we can see when you can tell it's a little fuzzy but you can still see scan line features just from this shotty picture from my cell phone I mean it's not edited or anything this is just all a photo dump from the project okay so there's not any photo editing that is the one though that I've used for or the thumbnail and last stream on this TV and look right here I'm showing you how I got it from RGB or not RGB from composite to RF I use a little block secret block from mr. add-ons and I'll get into that and in the future in a video because I don't really I just want to show you that I was using it that's probably how I got such a clean image to RF but that's really the only input I could get working I think we're gonna come up on a clip here I'm not sure if any of the audio of it is important so me we turn our jazz playlist on pause because I believe we're coming up on a video clip here so right there you go we've got earthworm Jim let's check out this clip okay all right so this is post servicing it I thought this was beforehand but this is actually a clip of me post servicing it so that's just the proof that it's working after I serviced it so never mind I had that clip in the wrong spot but that's okay we'll just get back and we'll a spoiler alert right spoiler alert to everybody sorry about that I spoiled the surprise I guess right well I don't know I could do a stream about not making or making a CRT and then not having it work because that was almost the case it was almost the case all right let's get back to these pictures all right this was the funny picture online if you want to see like more frequent posts of things that I'm actually working on as it's happening a lot of these pictures get posted to my Twitter account so you can always go there always go there you know it's a good question super guy never checked the deflection angle exactly it's it is super thin you'll see that in some upcoming pictures a lot of dust in here check out these subwoofers my big little hands there holding the CRT in place in the back but very dusty very dirty see how thin it is there look at that see very very much steep tube here so you're gonna have issues with everything you normally do with geometry I mean it's an old tube definitely right just look at that we've talked about this before in depth with Andy King on the cathedrae podcast how you know the this angle the longer the tube is out here if it was way out here where my cursor is about twice the depth of it what it actually is then the tube would be able to get an amazing area of deflection where it could just get better along the sides you could have better picture controls all along the edges of the picture and really have a sharp image right but in response to that you also can't have a CRT that weighs 500 pounds in someone's house so they shorten up the tube now this one is a Hitachi tube and we talked about that in the last show alright we're gonna walk through a lot of pictures here I mean a lot of pictures okay and these are bored pictures mostly and I don't mean boring I mean bored pictures as in this is the disassembled monitor where I've taken all those boards out from behind the tube you just saw the tube all the boards from there had to go somewhere right and this is where they went first off this is just the cluster it comes out and I pulled it all in one big cluster to start with because I had no idea about the location of these clips here I didn't know if any of this wiring this wiring harness it was a bit tricky so I wanted to put everything out together so I could study it also and document everything now thankfully the customer had documentation and there was a whole wiring harness diagram on there that I did have to refer to to double check afterwards and we'll get into that a little more but for right now this is just pre pre servicing pictures I'm taking pictures of everything to document stuff where it's all app got four connections here this backboard is behind the input board so on the opposite side of this is the scarred input sorry about that the opposite side of this is a scarred input but on this side are some control potentiometers some logic a heck of a lot as resistors a few capacitors and then down here unable for you're not going to be able to see it at this moment we're gonna look at it soon is a battery a lithium ion or lithium battery I don't know that's but this is the other side of that there's more connections on here we have wiring harnesses about a half a dozen on this side and that's how that board looks right there and from the notes that I've read on forums that there's not much available on this to set on these B&O sets that's really why I'm doing more documentation just including things like this live stream this these capacitors on here it's three this from 1989 these are gonna be prone to failure okay so they all should be inspected tested etc okay just another close-up of that backboard there's the Barbie house sneaking an appearance in the background as well as as well as who can spot it my amazing Mr. Cade inside of my inside of my SNK machine over there I can't think of it I don't know why my MBS foreslot okay again this is the other side of that board I just showed you see all these the company connection wires there are this is just wild right look at all these connection points and then you have this daughter board up top this daughter board had every cap was pretty much completely done toasted on this card and then this board was also in bad shape and then there's the decoders inputs all down here under that plastic shielding look at this this thing even has an isolation transformer similar to my arcade machine I've never seen a CRT have a full-on isolated transformer in it before that was a first for me for a CRT that is just a consumer set that's so that I mean that's one unique thing guys that you're seeing here that 99% of CRTs will not have this out on a block on its own and there's a separate board over there a thousand miles of wire you can see the challenges that servicing something like this would present because you have so many different connections so many different capacitors so many points of interest okay again this is a look at this other board really again documenting how and where each one of these connections go into and just more connections right there I'm hearing a beep and I'm wondering if my yeah that could be that could be a way for it to be universally Johan and Stefan the isolation transformers it's just supposed to isolate it so you don't electrocute yourself your high voltage is isolated from a low voltage kind of pathways but also that transformer could be used yeah I was gonna say that could be a step-dram transformer where it would be stepping down from 230 volt but I don't know I think this is specifically designed to be NTSC again so I don't think they would make it European and then transform that I didn't see anything like that but it's just you know there's other transformers on a board that are on a board within a CRT lots of them and my thought is maybe this was just a way to use a larger one maybe this was way to use a larger one and then isolated instead of putting it on the board somewhere it's so big hey Tony thank you for dropping in today Tony you got a 9 inch or 8 inch got it on my board here KV 8 inch restoration and modification do set up on the cue buddy after the retro world expo all right anyway there's my hands give you some perspective there's the neck board this is some that I hated about this neck board design and I'll probably get into this a little bit more because it was causing me some headaches but you can see how like the voltage lines they just come down to these pins right you get some test points here which are fine test points but then they just solder this flimsy wire and you know this is important stuff same thing over here solder a wire there instead of giving us a connection point but anyway that's part of the servicing hey thanks Moncier Mike too kind so this is just board disassembly broken down here here's a great picture of our battery I told you there's that super max cell lithium battery we're gonna get a closer look at that in some other pictures and a closer look at as this buffers here's a close look at this backboard again as it's kind of broken out on its own as I went through this I realized you could take these boards individually out of the CRT but I decided to take everything at once right that's okay here's this was the surprise to me I was not expecting this board here this is like a multi board it's got like tuner in there and it's slid under this area I'm gonna zoom in over here in this dark crevice it was under the deflection board hiding behind all the other boards so that was the thing this set had so many boards so many and I opened it up and I talked to the client I was I look at this board specifically I said you know this board right here is about yeah saving settings it holds a charge it saves settings I'll get in a little bit more in the battery when we get to that breakdown of that board but this board had about 90 capacitors on it and none of them were obviously leaking or failed but they were all in that gray area of heck they're 30 years old they should probably be replaced but servicing a board like this this level of the board in this condition in this day and age that's a lot of money that's like this this board right here is as much as servicing three quarters of the other boards combined in this monitor mostly okay so when I spoke to the client about that I was like this is a surprise board that again we were talking about if there's a certain number of boards you get recapped for price anyway why don't be in too much work for me to go in here be commissioned to actually recap that recap this board I did do some servicing to it I did do some spot checks and testing and made sure it was okay but I notified him he's gonna have to eventually get that board looked at if he didn't want to do it now for the cost of doing everything now here's a look again at that board cluster that includes the three major boards that's the input board this backboard with the battery and that daughter card up there all these had to be serviced there's the neckboard again there's that tuner board that's the surprise board here's the main deflection board with a lot of the power stuff on it and then a power daughter board up there see that one and then this is another power board over here so this CRT had eight boards in it eight specific boards unbelievable okay like eight specific boards in it that's a that's a lot of work okay anyway let's get in here we're gonna start looking at some of these boards closer do some servicing now after we've kind of documented everything this is this is main board I've got to go check something there's something upstairs sounds like it's beeping in my house and I just want to make sure that I didn't leave the coffee pot running but I will be right back and Cole and I will be right back so just take a one quick second see watch Cole's gonna follow me I'm gonna come right back though I don't know what's going on and just hang with me well hell is certainly strange I'm not sure what was happening there anyways let's get back to this because this is a we're really rolling along here good I hope everybody's doing great again if you've got the opportunity please do hit the like button if you're watching this on the live show or if you happen to be catching this on a playback and you are catching this on a playback and you want to see more about this eventually I will put a link to the last stream in in a pinned comment and on the after show or after it publishes so you can watch both on a playback if you're interested and then I hopefully have planned an entire full-length episode which will come with a post for retro RGB on this television yeah eight individual boards anyway this you just look at this board from from first sight this is the reason the SCART inputs have so much trouble look at how disgusting the solder has become on these inputs I mean it is borderline hideous sometimes it's been completely disintegrated like right here it's pretty much gone there was a lot of problems with my sync lines and doesn't surprise me I mean look at this especially over there you don't even have to be that close to that picture to see that so I had to go through there's another close-up just look at that you see that and you should automatically pretty much assume that you need to remove this solder clean it and replace it okay no and here's now the good thing is yeah I could service this board will without removing it from the frame it was made in a way like that so the next board were actually started was this card here my plan was to recap that card and that's what I did there's all the replacement capacitors in there not a lot of replacement capacitors the next thing though this one did let me see if there's anything interesting here yeah I want to show you this so most boards will have a capacitor see how they'll go in the same direction a lot of times right same direction I'm just making sure everything's good same direction for polarity but over here it's flipped so you have to be very careful working on sets like this you have to watch the board and make sure you double check everything because it could be very easy to assume everything's going the same direction because some other sets that's a that's a thing where everybody tries to make the set they either go one direction or the other this goes all directions that board again is the battery board this one did have some failed capacitors in it I'm going to show you this here look at this so this is pretty typical of a failure here for what you would see this cap blew up it got a bunch of nasty stuff all over this resistor this resistor and this diode thankfully none of these parts down here become damaged but you could tell this resistor it's starting to get in bad shape got some rust forming there right but the resistor you know it wouldn't take long for that cap to keep going and fry that point out and you'd eventually have failure so that board did have to have spot capacitors again this was a good negotiated change from our original plan to recap this entire monitor I changed the the caps on this board that all tested bad with a meter and then especially the ones that have failed I also went through and I cleaned up that area tested those components they were all good get a better picture hopefully there's some replaced capacitors right there and replace that one cleaned up that area so this was the bottom side of those resistors and that capacitor right there they see it giving bled through a little damage figures at 1096 and I had to go through and reflow all this solder replace it and I guess that's it yeah anyway here's the battery I pulled it studied it and tested it and it actually tested perfectly still good shape no swelling nothing that's actually something that would have been replaced before and it's still available to this day but they're like $25 for replacement so that one was still in good shape I just made the customer aware of it now this is step one of replacing and repairing solder but you could see I still had to add some more solder on some of these points after step one because I still missed I still missed a good blow on there so that's after I went back at step two and reflowed again on those points with fresh solder and this is what it kind of looks like afterwards you clean it but that's the after look on that input for scart right there right some more pictures of right well here's the thing over clockwise I was very concerned I know what you're saying there but I was concerned this television is weird it's it's picky I had some extreme issues after getting back together getting it to function properly was doing stuff where I talked to the owner and I think that there's possibilities where this older one if you if you power cycle it or pull the power plug too many times in a certain amount of time it can like lock itself up I didn't want to change out of battery and have it lock itself up and again where it wasn't the client opted to not do the full-on restoration so that's a part of all this definitely something beeping over here I just can't figure out what it is Cole it's driving me crazy it sounds like my testing meter like a clips running in my head so the only right if this was for example if this was my personal set and I had this all torn apart I would have I would have been more considered of those things I would have probably attempted a battery mod not even I mean I don't even really think I would have done a battery mod I wanted want to keep it original so I would have probably paid the $25 and gotten a replacement for it okay but anyway so there's the back side of that daughter board where I've reflowed the solder on there cleaned it up recapped it hey McMuffin that's cool hope you and your kitten have a fun day that's fun I got this I got this guy over here still easy he's passed out now if you're real lucky you might hear of snore he's a snore call oh there he goes and you probably can't hear it but man is he a snore wow so here's this daughter board that had to have a few replacement capacitors installed cleaned up you saw dirty it was originally a lot of those larger filter caps were not bad but still went through and fixed it up reflowed solder whoops I lost that picture I've got more than that right okay here we are here we go now this is back where the main deflection board is and you've got this plate here and the backside of that plate is that first power supply daughter board right here dog is snoring away got a lot of oxidation a lot of build-up you modifications on there from the factory or a service tech afterwards this TV did look to be serviced before so this cluster had to be serviced next just taking up again pictures to document how those wiring harnesses looked there's another look at some wiring harnesses I removed this board tested capacitors and cleaned it and I'm sure I reflowed all the solder on there a lot of those capacitors had to be replaced everything that wasn't the very large filter capacitor had to be replaced on there oops you bar so now look at the front side of that board so this is kind of normal not not too many capacitors on there also since it's a high-power high voltage board should get some solder attention see if I show that yeah I reflowed all this solder clean this board fully since a big improvement you still get some areas where it's like burned oxidation over here by these diodes it's like that's pre-me as long as that as long as that's a good quality I'm not as concerned about how it just looks but the most part that's that's a happy happy job right there to look like that afterwards and test a good there's the backside of the main PCB right there before I serviced it you get the neckboard down in there too hey that picture looks familiar that's right here we're sitting I'm just kidding it is though here's our main board the flyback hey Koala good see it lots of capacitors on this one but these all had to be changed at least 99% of them did I think there were two that tested good that were rare they were hard to find so I didn't change those whoop man I just hit the wrong button this should be a good picture born after fighting at the right spot just another look that's the other board sorry about that I went too far oh everybody I apologize let's see where am I yep I went I went way too far okay so here's a picture that we were at this is the deflection board with power elements to power board it's up to the x picture load here and then there you have it all the capacitors are out actually so this one I know every one of them is gone on this board every single one sorry about that and then what did I find what do you think I found I found some juices I found some juices look at that what if YouTube had a vision I had a feature where you could smell what you're seeing what do you think you would smell so this is an exploding capacitor C730 it has oozed onto this diode here and it's not very far from this a really high heat area I mean there's a huge resistor yeah it's definitely forbidden forbidden fluid right there and it's leaked down here you can see other parts this seat 755 also went bad fish sense you're right good call exactly fishy oh here's some other looks at some places this was more of a hey it blew up and immediately hardened and dried so that was another type there's a look at all the culprits look what we got here a lot of 85 degree rated capacitors just pretty common stuff not great brands there were a few robacons it's just a met and podge podge of things similar to what you'd see in this kind of a set from this time period in the 80s oh I believe this is a cleaned up nope not fully cleaned up this is another picture that board because I remember down here these four had exploded in this quadrant quadrant it's not even a quadrant whatever it is area also the neck board another piece of hardware that's very important all the caps gone there caps gone bye bye caps and also gets this board gets a hundred percent fresh solder and you'll know this that this board has some pretty fat solder blobs that's my solder baby I blobbed it up for this one I want to make sure that this board has you know works perfectly right so everything and that's that's even look I didn't even install the capacitor down here yet something was up I was waiting for a delivery of one I think and I had done everything else but every point on here gets fresh solder flow all right just got to be careful you can't put too much heat for too long on some of these points because there's plastic involved and you'll mess things up like your socket you don't want to mess that up okay oh Stefan I just said you know what I'll clean some boards on a stream sometime okay that's what I'll do I need to get I'm actually completely out I just use isopropyl alcohol and it takes time and cleaning again cleaning again cleaning again yeah there's the frame I cleaned that that's the frame for the main board in the hodge podge of a wiring harness but I use I have a set of brushes and some cleaning tools that I use they're nothing nothing fancy it's all just ESD stuff and then the isopropyl alcohol I've got a fan here I use that a HACCO exhaust fan yeah if you could go holy I've been I've been able to only find 70% isopropyl alcohol here and it's been driving me absolutely crazy all right here we go this is the board I was telling you about that's a tuner board that I just cleaned inspected there's look that's those brushes see them that's stuff I used to clean both sides of the board there's a little toothbrush looking dohicky and that's really it hey Miles thanks all right there's another look at that board looks pretty it's put all back together all the wiring's back in place there's the bottom of that board I did clean that some spot solder I had to spot resolder some points on there of course not getting away with that re soldering some points on these boards there's our recapped main boards like the neck board and the main board here the main deflection and power board that's all been re recapped solder reflow to no joke reflow to solder on that by hand not every single point but probably a half of them when you want to give these things the best chance to go on forever this board again 100% solder reflow there it is again here's some issues because I had to later come back and reflow these these points I hate the way that this was made can't remember what these exact points those are but those are those are important points same thing over here this was g2 voltage was through this red cable probably are this orange cable from the flyback it's soldered right here so this is another point that you have to flip the board over and solder on to you just go ahead and do it there's the daughter board for the power reattached everything after cleaning there's the whole setup put back together after all those boards were serviced see this is a great picture here's the so this down here you can see it it says it right there wiring diagram baby wiring diagram so I use this wiring diagram this wiring diagram look at this it says mains transformers let's see it also says 120 volt 120 volt 120 volt this transformer is not doing guys there's a we got it we got it you wanted to know about the transformer it's randomly in a picture in the photo the photograph with where I was doing my wiring diagram QC work where I just checked everything and double checked anything I had question about on this diagram here okay so it says here that this we look at this transformer it's got the main transformer I believe that's the one it's got 15 or 12 volt 12 volt 5 volt AC over here it's got 3315 and 220 volt AC's look at that so it's not that's that's what that transformers doing it's stepping you know stepping down to that lower voltage stuff so you could isolate the voltage look at that what does it do see we got high hot voltage over here on the main board but then you can have lower voltage to this board to this board this board this board and all these other boards can be powered besides the flexion board with lower voltages so it's safe to work on them while it's an operation right okay hope that helps there it is there's the old transformer right should be say p29 that's coming from that transformer it says p29 on that diagram that's the right thing yep that's we're looking at see it says p29 right there so there we go show and tell if you watched earlier and you're wondering what we were talking about the transformer that's what we're talking about inside the tube let's see this should be when we clean in there look at how dirty that was dirty dirty there's a simple yoke simple but effective Hitachi tube I think this is that there's there's the Hitachi label and that out of focus picture there it's cleaned up did notice that the yoke rings had moved so I went and resecured them with fresh stuff fresh goop yeah there's some bizarre speaker pipes aren't they subwoofer or something ergonomics there it is cleaned out not overly clean I didn't get in there and chemically clean everything I got in there and hand cleaned it all and there's a picture of it reassembled and put back together tested I don't know what else I have here let's see see there's a picture yeah so this is not it though but this was the first round of testing I put it all back together knocked on wood said a prayer because I had to do all these boards in one shot and went for a test and thankfully it worked right it worked right away and but I was super confused about the remote but there it did work see if we can get some stuff here and I'm going to show you some images here because after after I got it tuned on and going it was I was able to stick RGB coming out of my Super Nintendo that had been modified with boltars kit it's the Super Nintendo this SNES Junior Mini whatever you want to call it the second one that I always use with the RGB amplifier in it and this is RGB on the B&O so I just plug that in and that's RGB okay so some closer images here very cool-looking television amazing I loved it I couldn't imagine what like a frenzy this kind of set would have caused back in the 90s if it would have lasted and worked and you could have gotten this like literally if you I mean you might not have all you needed was a skirt cable right look at that I love the way that that shadow mask looks right there you can almost see the separation of the mask right there with the green and blue hitting on that individual line yeah look at that how cool is that that's the little bit of a different look that you'll see yeah this is the US model a little bit different if I had a good picture of a scan line from a Sony it be interesting to show against that but that's just that's what the super zoomed in photograph look there you go that how cool is that you can see the individual guns lighting up there for red green and blue I love that so much fun now this board here's what happened started using this TV don't worry he's still snoozing I know you're wondering what Cole's doing right he's still snoozing he's still snoozing he's there so look here's something I'm gonna explain to you I started to use this TV got warmed up and then it was giving me all kinds of crazy issues crazy issues weird things the biggest problem was again I couldn't figure out what I was doing with the remote and I thought I was making more trouble than I should so I was very confused with the remote I finally got my handle a little bit down how to switch a couple inputs on there and all the sudden I start having troubles powering on the set not powering on actually well getting an image on the screen and what would happen is is I would power it on I could hear the tube energized but there would never there would be nothing to display nothing and I was like what the heck's going on so I went back and checked out the neckboard but it had been fully serviced fully reflowed on solder I knew it wasn't that so I went and then I checked out this input board because I thought maybe something was going on where it was trying to do an auto switch with the logic back there and I missed a capacitor that was bad and maybe a solder joint was bad and I thought my best shot was to take a look at this input board so that's the next thing I did I had to take it apart but I did figure out what was wrong but this was not this just happened to be something I did that didn't actually wasn't the problem but as a troubleshooting measure I went and I recapped this board you can tell that's that same input board extracted once again all the capacitors removed on it this time all of them gone there you go because I was sure that this was the board or the other board that I didn't service under the set right that was the other one I didn't want to mess with it though so there it is holes all the points where and see all this capacitors been pulled with the FR 301 desoldering tool there's all the capacitors out of it now I did see some weird things this board for some reason had some capacitors if you look in the middle of your screen those big yellow legs on the capacitors it was quite odd the capacitors were left long on the board and then they had these heat shrink tubing on them and then they were soldered into place in the through hole and then they were covered in tape just some electrical tape I'm not sure what the point of that was but I just didn't I didn't recreate that little setup like that I have no idea it wasn't as if regular caps didn't fit in there they did fit in there so I'm not sure what was going on but there it is replaced everything it's kind of a fuzzy picture there that's every cap replaced on that board so it's pretty pretty lengthy job how are we doing out there in TV land everybody cool it's another close-up of those and drama nuts all right closer look at that board cleaned up all caps were replaced all solder reflowed solder reflowed on all that logic see I was concerned something was going on with that logic and it wasn't sure is that all the way to the end where am I getting pretty close down here to the end but there it is put back together I still was having some issues look at this there it is all put back together okay with the new board installed I mean not new board but the new service board I don't know whether I've got and I finally got it back turned on there okay and the secret here was the g2 voltage I don't know how this happened but while I was servicing when I return when I turned it back on after servicing and letting set warm up it was like the g2 voltage was not high enough to send an image to the tube I just randomly after recapping this board and checking all the grounds on the set and scratching my head I randomly went over the flyback and I turned up the g2 voltage a little bit and the screen reappeared and then it wouldn't it never did it never had a problem again where the screen disappeared because before then it would sporadically go away sometimes you get screen to show an image sometimes you wouldn't it would stay man it was driving me nuts so if you have an issue like that I think this is something where I had just replaced so many capacitors that somehow it caused maybe the g2 voltage to drop it's just weird anyway that happened I got it all back together I'm gonna gonna turn off this jazz mix I believe I have a short clip here of this let's see what it is oh no no here's a cap all right here we go let's see I don't think you've missed anything this was the picture we just left off of it's a picture of me getting the set on and I was so happy I know Sony windows right you have to you that's that's such a crazy thing but it's wild because you could sit there and think the set is broken and it's literally just a g2 voltage setting that could completely change things anyway here's all the caps from that look at all those caps it's there all in my Garfield lead paint it's a bigger one it was a 27 inch think 26 it's in my lead paint there's that leg again look at that it looks like a snake skin or some kind of bug bug carcass on there right here's a little clip let's see what this clip says finally got it enabled the RGB mode look at this oh this is when I got RGB this was a Twitter post video back something here go sharp that is look at that it's a very fun an RGC and a B&O MX 5000 through SCART it was through SCART yeah so sharp all right one second this 1980 CRT would have absolutely changed everything if it would have been able to make it in the United States there we go I like the picture on this set and the problem is getting them and servicing them that's a lot of work that's the end of the fight slide show everybody that's the end of the slide show that's that's the restoration it went well after I figured out that problem the full-on plan is to take some time probably this afternoon try to put together a little bit of a video I'm not I'm not sure when I'll get that video done by I'd like to get it done before I leave town but that's a little ambitious currently I'm working on a d20 BVM I've got some cards for that you really want to see like up-to-date stuff on I'm telling you the most up-to-date things are the Twitter posts that's where you'll find everything that I post to social media that's going on really there and then everything else kind of trickles out from there and it's just easier to post certain media there so that's a B&O restoration on a luxurious wonderful MX5000 that could have been something special here in the United States but unfortunately you saw the complexity of this television all it took was a little bit of failure a little problem a little defect and not to mention the complete complexity of this remote I do not understand that remote control at all it it's just such a confusing enigma I wish I had the better pictures I had some pictures I posted before on that but I don't think I included them in here with the with the clients actual folder of items like this is the clients pictures that they get what else did I send them some service notes just following up on this these were the dates of service 89 was the year each board here part there's a disassembly process open the TV remove wiring harness inspected all boards eight circuit boards here's each board and what was done to each board and we went through a lot of that right individually every board was in some way was serviced here's reassembly CRT work special notes and that that's the restoration that I provided this client now has that folder with all that stuff and so they do have that you know record and log of their actual items being fixed which is a benefit I consider that a lot of people don't don't offer but guys that's today's stream I want to thank you all so much for joining me today I don't know if there's anything else I didn't really see any questions that we left hanging there I think the big question today was about that transformer and we were able to figure that out thanks to the manuals now I'm gonna go try to figure out what in the world in my basement is beeping or upstairs is beeping it's a little beep it's like a you know I think it's like a keyboard device or something losing power some ghost is over there but I could possibly have another stream if I don't get this video I'll stream once more because again I'm going to that convention this upcoming weekend and I'm probably will try to do a little video just a fun vlogging video where give you behind the scenes look again I love doing that where I go to the show maybe show some of the shenanigans of friends of the channel that I run into maybe I can get Bob to say something I don't know who else shank might be there yeah I had something like that it's driving me crazy Christopher anyway guys thank you all again for showing up today watching the stream if you want to learn more become more part of our economy or I mean our economy our community economy you can economically contribute by going to patreon join in there we do offer services through that you can also get on our private discord once you're a member of patreon and find all kinds of goodies there and other people that are very enthusiastic and passionate about this hobby I again appreciate you all please have a great rest of your week and I will see you in the next one


Yn gyflym, Lleidyddr yn gydych chi, Cyfnodd Llywodraethau, Mae'r cyfnodd C1r Sebeïaeth arall. Cymredu ticketswyr arall wedi bod nid o'r cy 104 sebeïaeth ac yn adeiladol iawn i'r cyfnod ar mawr. Mae'n hi fo yna'r gwaes yng nghymru yn mulhaen o'r sebeïaeth, Lleidd, Hanor, y tîm, nes rwy'n�r o'r cyfnodd iawn o'r cyfan llythdoedd yn adeiladol. ac yn gwneud hynny'n gweithdoedd y Uneddon Icareria, i'r ddiweddol y Gwyrgynwyr, yn y gweithio i'r mynd i'r gweithio. A'r gweithio am ymddi'n gyflym ac i'r gweithio yn y byddwn i ymddai sydd yn y cyfrifiadau i'r cyfrifiadau'n cyfrifiadau, i'r cyfrifiadau sydd i'r cyfrifiadau, i'r cyfrifiadau sy'n cyfrifiadau. Rwy'n fawr i'n rhoi'n cael ei fyddwch i'r wneud cётunol. Mae Gorydd y bydd hwn yn ddechrau yn archifuig yw'r ceisio gyda Gorydd,造 o'r cymharae bydd hwn yn gyfa'r fath agor, rhai a'u peth i'r un bai. Rwy'n ddefnyddu'r rhannwg cyd-igol ac yn cael ei dweud o'r clywed o'r ddechrau, a gwnaeth beth o fath o'r cysylltu'r arlu. Rwy'n dydyn nhw'n ddefnydd eishwerdeg arweithio arweith o'i dweud o'r ŵnnidiu'r cysylltu'r ddechrau. that this conference was taking place. Then first hand. I'm thinking, oke I'm wondering if local people really know about this. Do they know what's going on? What are we talking about? Things that affect them? What I'm saying is in future, I think we need to be cognizant of the fact that we are a tiny fraction of what's happening at the societal level. Yes we are representing a lot of people but I think we need to also be innovative yn y gallu gweld am ymweld ymdyn nhw, ymlaen nhw, rwy'n grwp bod ymdyn nhw'n grwp. Mae'r eich cyfnod, rwy'n rwy'n grwp. Mae'r eich systemau ymdyn nhw wedi cael ei ddweud. Rwy'n ddigon i. Rwy'n 것rwydd, rydyn ni'n ei ddweud i. Rydyn ni'n gweithio yma i'r newid o'r LBA, rydyn ni'n ddweud i'n ei ddweud i'n gwybod gyda cael ei gwrs, oedden nhw'n gweithio. Mae'n ddod i'r fflaen ni oherwydd oherwydd ez rhanol. Dwi efallai fod y hwn arall? Rwy'n meddwl, gael chi ddwy'r ddiadu? Wel yna chi ddwy'n meddwl o'r dyddion? Rwy'n meddwl i'r dda'r gael, maen nhw, rwy'n meddwl i'r tyffanydd ac rwy'n meddwl o'r ddod i'r cyffan forkol ac mae'r unigau i ddiwfyrdd i'r unigau yw'r ddod i ddod. Yr unigau llyth i'r llyth o'i ddod i'r drwtso gael i아... I went to visit the GIZ office. Fantastic. They are doing amazing work in the Caucasus region. As I'm walking out, this lady at the office says, I think I have something for you. She gives me a book. This book was a cookbook and I loved cook. This cookbook is a cookbook of all the herbs that come from the forests within Georgia and part of the Caucasus region, some of which have disappeared and have been used in cooking. There's a lot of food stuff, traditional food stuff on this continent that are vanishing. How do we talk about nutrition, conversations and all of that in terms of adaptations? So we need to think about that. Children. I have two young children under the age of five and I've been to their school today. I came down to talk about climate change. I really would like to see either CBA or other partners in this house. I know there's tons of civil society groups in this house. Can you please do a dummy's guide for kindergarten going children what adaptation means? Really, because yes, we can talk about the youth, but quite frankly, my five-year-old, because I really talk about pasting and I talk about managing this and growing this. No, no, no. My name says that's not good. It's not good for the environment. She's five. Because she knows, and if we're going to be talking about changing awareness, changing thinking, changing mindset, I'm sorry if you're over 20, it's very difficult to change your mindset or your behaviour, but we're doing a lot that we're making people change their behaviour. Let's talk to those little people because those little people are the leaders of tomorrow. And then lastly, I just want to say that I'm really, really excited to see engagement with the private sector. It's kind of like a very flowery and sometimes very edgy piece of conversation, but you see some of that private sector engagement and coming from Zambia, every time I go back home and I go back every year, I'm always very confused. I arrive in the south and somebody's seen this change in landscape shopping mall after shopping mall after shopping mall and I hate shopping, but I walk through some shopping malls and I thought, there's quite a lot of bale malls in these shopping malls. I think we need to slap some nice posters, some infographics, get our message in going because the traffic that goes through shopping mall, something we're just walking through there to just, I really don't want to be in the sun or in the rain, I just want to walk through here. So how can we also engage in totally different constituency out there that is really not part of us and really to begin to get to be part of that change process. And lastly, I want to say because I've seen my former colleagues from WWF, where I used to work many years ago, and I want to say for all of you in this room and I'm sure a lot of us in this room have seen the Living Planet Index report. Have you seen the Living Planet Index report of WWF? That Living Planet Index report is showing a curve going down. Species loss, habitat loss, changes in ecosystems. So then it begs the question and I want to challenge people in this room what are we doing to really change that curve so that ecosystems will not continue to be degraded because something is happening on this planet then. How can we be part of that change process so that curve doesn't keep going down? Species loss, this loss, this habitat. And I'm confused. I'm like, how can we really be part of the solution? Really, we need to think very critically about that and be part of that change process. And so I'm looking forward to really hearing from a lot of you. It's been great networking, great meeting, a lot of amazing people here. Young people especially, I've been talking to a number of young people, I've mentored in the past and I'm also very excited to hear about what the next plans of the next CBA is going to be. Thank you very much.


Henry Simons and I am the Assistant City Manager of Operations of course for the City of Columbia and we would like to welcome you and thank you for your presence on today as we celebrate the grand opening and ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Pickball course here at Southeast Park as well as what we have done at Willam Park as well. Thank you to our Mayor, Daniel Rickerman, our City Council members present. Councilman DeVall is with us. Thank you all so much for being here as well. Also want to acknowledge Councilman Taylor in his absence. He represents this district and he could not be here with us today but I wanted to acknowledge him as well. Just all of our Council members are always supportive of the Parks and Recreation Initiative so we are very grateful for all of their support even though all of them could not be here today. We're very thankful for their support. Also want to acknowledge our City Manager Theresa Wilson for her continuous leadership and guidance on our initiatives in Parks and Recreation. Today is a great day for the City of Columbia so logistically we have converted two tennis courts into four pickleball courts here at Southeast Park and we have converted one tennis court at Willam Park into two pickleball courts. The response to this decision has been well received by the pickleball community which is you all. Thank you all so much. In fact there have been regularly scheduled play during the week and the evenings and weekends already so thank you all for your continuous participation. So really quickly in some of our research pickleball participation grew by 21.3 percent between 2019 and 2020 prompting the economists to declare it is the fastest growing sport in America. Therefore the demand for the sport is growing with the cities building new facilities and replacing tennis courts strategically. In fact our goal within the City of Columbia will be to incorporate pickleball courts strategically into our master plan for additional opportunities around the city. Yeah absolutely. In addition pickleball proves overall health regardless of your age it is a wonderful game and we know that regular exercise help to maintain a healthy lifestyle. So again thank you all so much for your advocacy of the sport. I want to make some acknowledgment and then we're going to have our mayor come up and make some remarks along with Councilman Duvall as well. Just again I want to collectively thank our mayor and our entire City Council for their support. Also want to acknowledge our City of Columbia Parks and Recreation Leadership Team and staff led by our Director of Recreation Mr. Randy Davis. Thank you all so much Randy Davis, Todd Martin our project manager Karen Kucific who is our ranger leader in the back back there Kerry Rich our superintendent. All of our Parks and Recreation staff they do a lot of work behind the scenes and we could not do what we do without their aggressive activity and thought process and getting things done. So we thank them so much for their continuous vision for the Parks and Recreation department. Special thanks, special thanks to John Weagrath who is here with us today. Thank you John so much for your advocacy of the sport. Hal Van Nissen as well Hal. Thank you so much for your continuous support of the sport. Also want to think I don't think I think it's Marion Keller here. I didn't see Marion. Marion, there you are. Marion Keller who is the US APA ambassador and has been very supportive of our initiative as well and also want to thank Pat Trusdale who's the South District ambassador for South Carolina. So thank you so much Pat. This could not be done without our Mayor who is with us today. He has been an advocate for the Parks and Recreation department. He has been on City Council for years and as the Mayor he continues to support not only the Parks and Recreation initiatives but all the things that we're doing for the City of Columbia and as he has stated we are open. We're open for business and we're open for investments and so we will have our Mayor come and provide some remarks at this time. Mr. Mayor. Well I have to tell you this might be an incredible day in Columbia because I have been in every corner of this community today. I started off this morning at Columbia Country Club doing a welcoming for the Providence Home Golf Tournament that they were doing to raise money and help with awareness on tackling homelessness and addiction downtown. Yes ma'am it is it's a great one. Then I had the opportunity to push a new new fire truck into the firehouse out at Wood Creek Farms in that area where it really needed that investment and then I got to join a parade at a pre-kindergarten program of kids celebrating the week of young child and how important it is to invest in children at that age and making sure that they're getting the proper education and so forth so they have an opportunity and then I get to come out to Southeast Park and we get to celebrate something that's been going on for quite a while. We've been talking about pickleball forever and Howard probably has been the loudest of all folks on council about making it happen but I have to tell you pickleball is an incredible sport. It is so much fun I like it better than tennis it's much more social in my opinion and it gets very competitive especially when you're playing against your spouse at times so but what a great I'm glad that we're making investments around our community it has really become a draw and has really gotten people back out and together so we're excited to be here you know we can't really do the golden shovel here so I made arrangements to that Mr. DeVall could take the golden paddle here and get the first serve out at the appropriate time so with that Mr. DeVall I'm going to yield the microphone to you and hand off the golden paddle. Thank you Mayor Rickerman. This has been a long couple of years since we met out here on the courts to talk about pickleball and the council has just gotten so tired of me bringing it up at every council meeting that we finally got four courts at least and it is as the mayor likes to say we're open for pickleball. I do think that this is just the start of a big trend in the city of Columbia and I'm counting on all of you that play the sport to bring all your friends and get more people playing so that it pushes us to get more courts for you to play on. I was talking to my friend my new friend here a few minutes ago about Camden and the professional sport that they're going to have coming in there to demonstrate pickleball and the facility three million dollar facility they they have in Camden it's going to be a great thing but we're going to have a facility someday like the Camden facility that will bring in regional tournaments and national tournaments the capital city and in the state of South Carolina needs to be at least equal to the city of Camden a few miles down the road. It's a great day for pickleball in the city of Columbia and thank you for Mayor Rickerman's support of this and I want to echo all the things that Henry said a few minutes ago about our wonderful support from the city manager on down through everybody that works in the parks and recreation and all the other facilities that we have around the city of Columbia that's all I have to say Mayor I appreciate the this I'm going to learn how to play pickleball I'm going to wear my shorts next time so we can have a little little game what I was asking questions that I used to play a lot of tennis he gave me a lesson he gave me a lesson on the rules and it's very similar to tennis so I think I could pick it up very quickly I just wasn't prepared today thank you so thank you all so much for your presence and participation thank you so much Pat for your comments and your passion about the game we are we will continue to work to spread pickleball around the city of Columbia so we are grateful that you are all here at this time we're going to transition into our official ribbon cutting so we want a few of you to to participate with our mayor and our city council members councilman Duvall as we do that and then we'll take some interview questions after after we're all done with that so thank you all so much for your presence we certainly appreciate you being here today


Good afternoon, and welcome to this public meeting of the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission. Before we begin, I would like to make doubly certain that we are connected to Commissioner Bianco, who is participating by phone.  I'm out here. Thank you. Thank you so much. And we're delighted to have you here. And we're also delighted to have our colleague, Commissioner Kayback. We have one item on the agenda this afternoon, a public briefing on updates recently completed to the age determination guidelines. I'm delighted to welcome Dr. Kalisha Phillips and Jill Hurley from Engineering Sciences Human Factors Division to give today's presentation. The age determination guidelines provide transparency into how CPSC evaluates the characteristics of a consumer product in comparison to the skills, play behaviors, and interests of children in a particular age group when making age grading determinations. And I know it is a massive task that you have. We're also pleased to welcome Dwayne Boniface, who is the Assistant Executive Director of the Commission. Dr. Phillips and Ms. Hurley, thank you for being here this afternoon. You may begin. Thank you for the opportunity to brief you today in the CPSC's age determination guidelines. Today, we will review the role of the age determination guidelines. Excuse me. Can you pull the microphone a little bit closer so we can hear? Thank you. Today, we will review the role of the age determination guidelines as it relates to product safety, a brief history of the guidelines, recent research efforts, an overview of the changes and revisions made to the 2020 guidelines, and plans for future updates. Conducting an age determination and the resulting age label is a process of examining a product's features in comparison to the skills, play behaviors, and interests of children throughout different developmental stages during childhood. The guidelines are a CPSC staff document to perform age determinations. Manufacturers and test laboratories also use the guidelines for developing, marketing, and labeling consumer products, especially children's toys and other articles. The guidelines, while not a regulation, help determine age labeling. Age labeling directly impacts the type and severity of mechanical and chemical tests that children's toys and products must undergo, as well as what warning labels, bans, and other restrictions may apply. Over time, new toys have come onto the market, classic toys have evolved, and children's exposure to various toys have changed. For example, in the category of building blocks, simple blocks for stacking have evolved into a wider variety that includes abstract shapes for nesting to blocks incorporating magnetic features for creating complex 3D structures such as the vehicle shown here. As toys evolve, so must the guidelines. The first version of the guidelines published in 1985 was developed to assist the CPSC staff in performing age determinations to support enforcement of the small parts regulation. In the late 1990s, CPSC contracted a study to conduct research on the topics of play, toys, and developmental behavior of children. This contract also included interviews and focus group studies that examined the purchasing decisions of parents, as well as observational studies of children's interactions with particular toys. These guidelines were published in 2002. Now, Calissa is going to discuss research efforts that went into the publishing of the 2020 guidelines. Good afternoon. Today I will be briefing you on a research collaboration that led to the 2020 age determination guidelines. In 2014, CPSC human factor staff approached researchers within the National Institutes of Health about conducting observations of children's play with toys and making updates to the guidelines. This resulted in a multi-year interagency agreement between CPSC and Dr. Mark Bornstein's Child and Family Research Laboratory within the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, hereafter NICHD. The project was led by Dr. Melissa Richards. NICHD began by surveying the literature on child development, play, and toys. At the project's outset, CPSC staff provided a list of potential toys and other products to NICHD for consideration in their research study. Independently, NICHD finalized the selection and purchase of 150 products, which were spread out across toy categories and hypothesized age groups. To assess age appropriateness, NICHD recruited and observed children of different ages interacting with the products. Participants were 243 healthy, typically developing children balanced for gender and ranging in age from one to eight years. Each child participated in three short observation sessions. One were presented with one out of three randomized products during each session. One was hypothesized as age appropriate, one was for younger children, and one was for older children. Sessions were recorded for later behavioral coding. NICHD developed utilization keys that were unique to each product to conduct behavioral coding of the observations. Different statements were developed to capture whether a child fully utilized a product's features in intended or expected ways for greater than five seconds. Partially utilized features indicating that a child was on their way to using the product as expected and did not utilize the product's features, showing an absence of full or partial utilization. Here's an example of a noise making puzzle similar to the one studied by NICHD. The utilization statement NICHD developed included whether the child could take the pieces out and put them back in the appropriate spots or whether they could take a piece out of the puzzle and put it back in but fail to try to stick the piece back in but fails to or doesn't orient the piece correctly and so it doesn't seat properly. They defined not utilizing as dumping the puzzle over or throwing pieces. Full and partial utilization scores were summed by NICHD to create a single utilization score which facilitated comparisons across age groups. Before starting their data analysis, NICHD established a procedure to compare utilization scores between age groups and arrive at recommended age groups for each of the products. One age group was selected over others whenever it clearly had the highest utilization score. However, if scores were close for two age groups and by that they defined as less than five percentage points, NICHD would go with the younger of the two age groups. For the puzzle, NICHD identified 36 to 71 months as the age group with the highest utilization score. However, because the score for 19 to 35 months was within five percentage points of 36 to 71 months, NICHD selected the younger age group. When making updates to the 2020 guidelines, NICHD addressed this product under puzzles two years. To summarize, NICHD studied 150 products, 42 of which were control samples. One product produced insufficient data for NICHD to recommend an age group. In total, NICHD generated age recommendations for 107 different products. NICHD made additions and changes to the 2002 guidelines based on their age recommendations. They found that 12 products were already addressed within appropriate age groups in the 2002 guidelines, leaving 95 products to address within the new guidelines. The vast majority of products were new to the market or ones that had not been addressed previously. Few changes have been made to existing content in the 2002 guidelines. In December of 2017, NICHD submitted to CPSC a research document containing an annotated bibliography, a summary of their research methodology, tabulation sheets including age recommendations for each of the toys, as well as a theoretical paper on the age appropriateness of toys. And two, draft age determination guidelines containing proposed additions and changes that reflected their age recommendations. The interagency agreement with NICHD concluded on March 1st, 2018. Seeking public input on the publicly available NICHD draft documents, CPSC staff published a federal register notice in March 2018. This comment period remained open for a total of four months, 90 days with a 30-day extension. CPSC staff spent the remainder of the project reconciling public comments and finalizing the 2020 guidelines. CPSC received nine public comments on the NICHD draft documents. Comments were received from three trade associations, two test labs, two unaffiliated individuals, one manufacturer, and one product safety consultant. In our approach, CPSC staff aimed to be as responsive as possible to both the general and product specific comments that were received by the public when finalizing the 2020 guidelines. Multiple public comments mentioned the need for independent validation of NICHD's research methodology for determining age appropriateness. In response, CPSC human factor staff performed age determinations on the products NICHD studied. Staff used the 2002 age determination guidelines and also took into consideration the following evaluation criteria, including manufacturer's stated intent, such as an age label if it was reasonable, advertising promotion and marketing for the product, and whether the product is commonly recognized as being intended for a specific age group. The above pie chart represents the 95 toys and products for which NICHD provided age recommendations. CPSC staff agreed with the NICHD recommended age group for 83 products, which translates to 87% agreement between NICHD and CPSC. However, there were 12 products for which NICHD and CPSC disagreed on the age group. For these 12 products, staff found that the utilization keys did not completely capture the target age range in question. To address this, CPSC staff conducted additional online research taking into consideration manufacturer age labels, marketing of similar products and public comments. Now I'm going to be speaking about the new 2020 guidelines. I'm going to give you a brief overview. Based on public comments that were received, CPSC staff revised the title of the age determination guidelines, or the complete title, from referencing toys to now referencing consumer products. We made this change to acknowledge that the guidelines are not only used for age-grading toys, but also for determining an appropriate age group for children's products, as well as evaluating the appeal of general use products to children. CPSC staff added a new introduction section to the front of the 2020 guidelines summarizing the relation between age determinations and product safety, how the guidelines fit into conducting age determinations, and a description of major revisions that were made to the 2020 guidelines. CPSC staff also added a new background section describing the laws and regulations that have been passed since 2002. In addition to maintaining carryover material from 2002 on the small parts regulation, use and abuse testing and age labeling and determinations. The section now describes the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008, along with descriptions of the now mandatory ASTM F963 toy standard and relevant reference material for evaluating children's toys, children's products, and child care articles. Additionally, staff added pertinent terminology and definitions, along with a reference table to consolidate useful reference information for conducting age determinations. CPSC staff added a user guide section to orient users to the content and organization of the 2020 guidelines. Staff added a description of NICHD and CPSC staff's research collaboration to this history, to a history subsection within the user guide. Staff retained carryover material from the 2002 guidelines on the organization of the document and the existing material has been updated to reflect any organizational changes in the new document. For the Children's Basic Abilities and Preferences section, NICHD removed specific product references to keep the focus on child development in various domains such as cognitive, motor, social, emotional domains. NICHD also replaced the terms infant and toddler with children throughout to ensure the terminology matched age groups within the guidelines. NICHD added a play category called technology play, grouping together audio visual equipment, smart toys and educational software and computer and video games subcategories from the 2002 guidelines. NICHD also thoroughly updated the entire technology play category to bring the content up to date by referencing existing research on children's play with technology. For example, the play category now addresses how a child can swipe a screen to change content that is being displayed. NICHD also added a three to five year section in Mirror's Mobiles manipulatives to capture sensory products for older preschoolers such as, for example, wet texture moldable sand and 12 to 18 and 19 to 23 month age groups under sports equipment to address replica sports equipment for these ages. NICHD also renamed construction play as building play and learning toys as learning products. This table displays some examples of products that have been added to the 2020 guidelines. For example, in exploration and practice play, Mirror's Mobiles manipulatives under three to five years, bubble guns have been added. Under building play interlocking building materials 36 to 71 months, you will now find a number of number of toys with innovative coupling mechanisms including internal magnets and suction cups. In response to public comments, CPSC recently awarded a new contract to a new research organization to assess age appropriateness of 55 products including 10 smart toys and nine additional toy categories. For example, some of these categories were miniature figurines and pedal list bicycles. All of the 55 products, all of the nine product categories were recommended for study within the public comments that were received. To assess age appropriateness, this contractor has been conducting online research looking at marketing of similar products, consumer reviews, and online videos to generate age recommendations for each of the products. For the smart toys only, the contractor is assessing potential physical hazards that a child may encounter when interacting with these toys. CPSC staff plans to incorporate their age recommendations from the current research into the guidelines at a future date. To conclude, I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to the 2020 guidelines update including the NICHD research team, our colleagues at CPSC, stakeholders who provided public comments, and the families who volunteered for NICHD's research study. Thank you for your attention. Thank you very much for the presentation. We'll go through a round of questions with each commissioner having 10 minutes and we may have additional rounds. First of all, I can't thank you enough for all the work that you do. When you look at the age guidelines, you realize what a massive undertaking this is. You're the folks that toil in obscurity in the best sense of the word, but I think it's terrific that we have you here today so that we can publicly acknowledge the wonderful work that you've done, the incredible impact that you have among our stakeholders, and I think really the gratitude that the stakeholders have for such a professional work that you do. I think we all know that children, kids are most vulnerable consumers, they're involuntary risk takers. The commission always walks the extra mile to protect kids, and I will just say I will sleep better tonight knowing that you are out there protecting our children in a way that is so important to the mission of the agency. So I have a couple of questions. You talked about new toys and you talked about old toys that have evolved. Have children evolved as well so that things that we would have applied one test years ago because of differences in development or differences in technology that children are actually different in the way you test them? That is a great question, and unfortunately that was not in the scope of this particular study. However, NICHD researchers did survey the literature on child development, and they made updates to the children's basic abilities and preferences section. In terms of things that I know that have changed with children. Some are heavier, we know that. There's more obesity, there's more media use, and the time use patterns are very different. Children have a lot less free time, but that's an excellent question and something we plan to delve into, and actually CPSC has a current contract right now to look at strength capabilities of children in various age groups, and that will also contribute to our knowledge base. So now this is my dumb question of the afternoon. When I was looking at slide 12 and I saw there were 42 control samples, what is a control sample? How do you decide that something is a control sample? A control sample in the NICHD study were products that were only tested in one age group. Oh, okay. So they weren't able to compare utilization scores between groups so they didn't feel like it was appropriate to conclude. And also I did note that there were just 12 of the instances in which NICHD differed from CPSC staff. Did we reconcile that and also was there a pattern where we disagreed? We wanted to be more stringent, or they wanted to be more stringent, or was it just a mix bag? If you recall. It was a mix bag. There were some products that were labeled for younger than the age that NICHD recommended. And part of the concern there was that they only tested children as young as 12 months. So some of them were products for babies. So we thought it was reasonable to place those in age groups younger than 12 months. That was some of them. And then for other ones, we went older. And you're quite correct to point out that the scope of the work that you're doing with the guidelines has changed, in particular with the passage of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act. All of a sudden we have this definition of children's product and one of the products and one of the things that we were directed to do in assessing what's a children's product was specifically enumerated in the statute to look at CPSC's age guidelines. So that's a big change. And also the incorporation of F9, why am I blanking on it? The ASTM standard, F963. Sorry, I just had a brain melt. And so the scope of the work that you do and the importance of it has really been exaggerated. I honestly don't have additional questions. But again, I do want to commend you for a really excellent presentation and for the massive amount of work that has gone into this. Commissioner Kaye, your questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't actually have any questions. I just want to thank staff as well for the great work. Thank you very much. Thank you. I've just been past the note and I understand that Commissioner Biacco does not have any questions. So let's turn to commission. I don't. Oh, I'm sorry, you're there. I'm still here. I just I don't have any questions. Okay, well, thank you for that. And I will now turn to Commissioner Feldman to see if he has any questions. I have no questions. Thank you very much. Well, we may be wrapping this up a lot earlier than I had imagined because this is again, this is such a massive undertaking. But please don't let the fact that we don't have questions mean that we don't take you seriously. The fact is you've done such a good job with this work that I think we're all in awe of the the excellent work that's been done. So again, our greatest congratulations and thanks for a job well done. That ends this meeting.


I remember reading something. I think it was about Leibniz going on an epic journey across ancient Greece to prove that it was rational to believe in God. What was it called, the Odyssey? Okay, before we do this, please note that this is not a condemnation or debunking of religion or theism. This is a summary of a very interesting problem that religious philosophers have been tying themselves in knots over since the beginning of written history. Please be patient and respectful of others in comments, and don't take it as an assault on your particular beliefs. The problem of evil is a theological dilemma that has been around for a long, long time. The ancient Mesopotamian poem of the Right to Sufferer is perhaps the oldest written record we have of the basic line of thought, and it's almost three and a half thousand years old. However, the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus was probably one of the first to summarize the details of the problem in a clear and concise fashion, around 300 BC. The problem of evil, as stated by Epicurus, which is why it's sometimes known as the Epicurian Paradox, consists of a trilema. Three statements, which, taking it face value together, seem irreconcilable. It's not just a dilemma, it's a trilema. Three lemmas for the price of two. I'm very tired. Statement one, some God exists, and that God is omnipotent. Now, the definition of omnipotence can be tricky, but let's just say that gods are generally supposed to be powerful. Statement two, that omnipotent God is also wholly benevolent. Again, benevolence can be a little dicey, but let's just say that we're talking about a God who wants everyone to be happy and content and to have all the ice cream they could possibly want. Statement three, there is evil in the world. If you haven't noticed, a ton of terrible stuff happens on a fairly regular basis. War, genocide, floods, terrible diseases, volcanoes, ice cream shortages, sad puppies. We might call it all suffering, but evil just sounds cooler. That's it. That's the whole basis of the problem, just those three statements. The actual argument itself comes in two distinct flavors, which, although similar, use different approaches. The first is the so-called logical problem of evil. In this, the strongest version of the argument, it's asserted that an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God is, by definition, logically irreconcilable with the existence of any evil at all. Let's take a close look at these three statements again. According to this argument, if statements one and two are true, if there is some omnipotent God who's also nice, you'd expect that God to want there to be no evil at all and to be totally capable of eliminating it. And yet, fireflies still got canceled. If statements one and three are true, if there's a powerful deity overlooking a world with evil in it, that evil must be allowed by that deity, if not condoned or even caused by it. Not a nice guy. If statements two and three are true, there's some being somewhere that sees the evil in the world and wants it to stop, but can't do anything to stop it. As far as gods go, that's kind of wimpy. Not really God-like at all. According to the logical problem of evil, it would seem that the deity posited by many world religions simply can't exist by definition, at least by the definitions these words generally carry. One might tinker with the definition slightly to make them work together, like defining good as anything that a particular deity wills, but that's basically conceding that they don't work together the way that most people understand them. This is quite a problem for many believers, and many theologians and philosophers have wrestled with it for millennia. One of the most rigorous and well-respected responses to the logical problem of evil was actually composed in the 20th century by Alvin Plantinga, it's known as the Free Will Defense. The defense revolves around the idea that an omnipotent omnibenevolent deity might have wanted to create a perfect world free from suffering and evil, but that it's logically possible that in order to net the greatest good, this is as good as it gets. First, let's run through the crappier version of the Free Will defense. The deity who created everything gave humans free will, humans sometimes do evil, hence evil not directly due to that deity's influence. That's great and all, only the deity also created the circumstances under which people can act, and could have created those circumstances such that nobody would want to do evil, even with free will. I mean, given the choice between kicking a puppy and eating ice cream, which would you choose? Plantinga negotiates this objection by suggesting that there's a logical possibility that there's some problem with people that have free will, something called transworld depravity. Transworld depravity is a supposed trait such that no matter how you build a world around a particular person, there is always a scenario in that world where that person will always choose evil. So maybe there is that theoretical world where someone can either eat ice cream or kick puppies, but no matter how you tweak the variables, either the ice cream is so good that they swoon and fall on the puppy or they eat it too fast and get brain freeze, you get the picture. Plantinga's defense asserts that the mere possibility that all people with free will suffer from transworld depravity is enough to refute the logical problem of evil. In some sense, he's absolutely right. If there's any possible combination of circumstances such that the argument wouldn't apply, then the issue isn't with the definitions of the words themselves, it's in their particular implementation. But as nice as it would be to close the door on the logical argument entirely, there are some issues with the free will defense. First it necessitates a version of free will called libertarianism, asserting that human beings are totally indeterministic in their choices, that they can literally choose anything at any time. I've covered before why many philosophers don't believe that this is a valid approach in previous videos, but long story short, neuroscience and psychology are totally a thing. Second, if you think about it, it only really covers those evils which can be attributed to free will, to the actions that people choose to do or not to do. That leaves a whole bunch of evil not due to human activity unaccounted for, things like natural disasters and disease, which can cause a massive amount of suffering totally independent of transworld depravity. Nonetheless, Plantinga's free will defense is considered by many philosophers to be the most rigorous response to the logical problem of evil yet devised. But if you'll recall, the logical problem of evil is only one flavor, the other is the evidential problem of evil. See, the logical formulation is meant to be something that's purely analytic, something that you can know to be true without examining the world at all. It's kind of like looking at the definition of circle and looking at the definition of square and saying there can't be any such thing as a square circle because the two are just fundamentally incompatible with each other. In contrast, the evidential formulation doesn't look at evil as some sort of abstract quantity greater than zero. It examines specific concrete examples of evil in the world and calls upon some intuitive judgment that there's some quality to those examples that makes it highly unlikely and unreasonable to believe in an omnipotent omnibenevolent deity. I'm sure that you can come up with an example of some atrocity or horrific injustice in the world, some event which caused seemingly needless suffering from which no conceivable good or prevention of evil could result. The evidential problem of evil calls on us to weigh all such events and to reach the conclusion that there probably is a better world than this one, that a creator if one existed chose not to implement over this one and as such allowed or chose all that needless suffering. Imagining such a world isn't particularly difficult, I mean we're already morally limited by the laws of physics in significant ways, like we can't cause horrible things to happen just by thinking about them. What if actually performing horrible actions was just as impossible? That's it, two distinct formulations of one of the most difficult theological problems ever posited. It's easy to understand, it's compelling, it's been around since the dawn of civilization and it's still a capital P problem for many believers. Of course not all theists are attached to the idea of an omnipotent omnibenevolent deity. If you believe in a god like Loki, it's perfectly obvious why bad things happen to good people.  Which formulation of the problem of evil do you find most compelling? What do you think of Plantinga's defense? Please leave a comment below and let me know what you think. Thank you very much for watching. Don't forget to blah blah subscribe blah share and don't stop thunking.