Welcome to the Facebook group, the International Brotherhood of Polyvans. This is a group honoring safe, drug-free, old school, ancient warrior, physical fitness, the martial arts, professional wrestling, old school professional wrestling, and all sorts of just honest, drug-free competition sports of all kinds, whether it be weightlifting, powerlifting, kettlebells, whatever, martial arts, I said that already. You know, it's just, it's a man cave in an alpha male's locker room, let's put it that way, on cyberspace, on the internet. I want to welcome Donald Booth, Donald Booth, welcome to the show, and most of all, I want to welcome back my very special guest co-host and very close friend, the one and only Jeff Zambello. Jeff, how you doing, buddy? Very well. Very good day. Okay. Ready to be here. That's right. And I'm me, too. Now, seven lucky bells to chase away the evil spirits, and that's the Hotel Bell from the Hilton on Polyfoli Road in Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey, the official on-location office of Jeff Zambello, and, well, it's not from the hotel, it's a hotel quality bell. So anyway, I am pouring some craft beer. I think Donald Booth would appreciate this. This is my first time trying this. It is Chocolate Peanut Butter Porter by Sweet Baby Jesus Company. And I'm going to pour it right now. All right. Porter is like stout, but I believe it is made from malted barley instead of roasted barley. And it's got a nice head on it, and it looks really good. It's very dark, almost black. Let me smell it. Oh, I smell peanuts. So, yeah, it's really, it looks really nice on video. Look at that. It's like, it's got a head that hangs in there like in a stout, but Porter is, like I said, malted barley instead of roasted barley. And it really does smell like peanut butter. So, when the head dies down, I'll take a sip, and I just want to show the folks. Now a religious fanatic zelot that is part of the craft beer snob hoity-toity group refuses to purchase or drink this because he said it's blasphemous because of the name. Well, then he's a judge. You know, these people are going to get a life up there right now. You're telling me. A lot of issues. I don't know whether it's a short penis or whatever, but he's got some serious problems. That's what he's all worried about. You think he thinks that people like him thinks that God has no sense of humor and that he lives in a box. He actually thinks God would not find this amusing that, you know, to call craft beer a sweet baby Jesus company, chocolate, peanut butter, pouring out.  At least they say it's sweet baby Jesus unlike some of the other politically correct words so we don't get centered off this YouTube or whatever radical groups that wouldn't honor our wooden savior in such a favorable way. I mean, look, with all the real problems in our country and in this world and possibly in the. Well, I know he, I know he, I know he does.  Look it up. Well, don't, hey, don't TV evangelists usually show up like that they wear a white suit they're all in white, like Ricardo, but humble people when they get married, you know simple gold band, the wedding ring, yeah, all these diamond encrusted wedding bands, like, well, the, yeah, they, yeah, like they dress like Ricardo Montalban on fantasy I'm in they're all in white. They even got white shoes they they they prance around they dance they do the moonwalk and everything and and they hallelujah, yeah, yeah, God's talking back remember Steve Martin did that that that's spoofed that satire about TV evangelists and and you know what and they make believe they're radio secretaries they give the young voluptuous woman as a personal assistant, right, they have interns like Jim Baker did they have interns middle-aged married woman to become their secretaries, right, that's that our experts at taking dictation if you know what I mean, but that was funny for a little honeymooners film about and also we need old fashion jingle bells the levity bells paying the respect homage to the ancient masters to the world largest and loudest jingle bells okay and old-fashioned police whistle see that here's to all the hypocrites out there the sanctimonious holier than thou people pucillanimous pipsqueaks what's the other word besides sanctimonious a self-righteousness that that that do other things that are not too cool for it you know with religion but they get offended by the name sweet baby Jesus you know chocolate peanut butter porter which happens to be folks delicious i did my words um this guy conference gonna get even with him because it always does look up michael avonadi he thought you know you know the liberal media right with cnbc or cnm right you know all these patients are they thought he was holy as in thou right now you know the corruption he's he's facing right well he's in hot water right now three hundred and thirty five years of prison right so this guy this hypocrite that doesn't like a sweet baby jesus uh beverage products yeah beer right you know the real label what a sticker in a bottle but don't worry this guy will get caught on uh you know some five-time television show like 2020 or date line when they do it you know with those strings you know with a prostitute you know that the woman police again the kind of police woman you know solicit them for prostitution and then all of a sudden she takes it back to the motel six right in the closet and then the bathroom are uh i think it's six like a half a dozen uh police officers ready to arrest them don't worry well what when when i was before when i went on the show that i invented called fandango friday because i felt that the people were way too serious and way too stiff on their craft beer review shows so i said i figured you know gee everybody knows about casual friday in the office let's try fandango friday with with reviewing alcoholic beverages and and the rule was there was really no rules you can bring anything you want wine or whiskey rum whatever or beer right and you can bring a musical instrument if you can play it and it was supposed to be a day a show to loosen up and have fun well guess why they don't want to loosen up and have fun they were so stiff and rigid and anal retentive that they ganged up on me uh like a tribunal of judges and they were very judgmental because they have no life they're they're geeks they call themselves beer geeks now if you can't loosen up right now we're getting somewhere self-proc proclaim elitists now if they can't loosen up and have fun on a friday then they have problems man they they don't have a wife i mean literally and and the emerald you know why is their wives at home looking for guys like us well they if they have wives or girlfriends they they obviously don't have alpha males with them you know like certain women call other men uh other cinnamon one that's right that's right and and and um they um you know they really took offense to hearing an honest person tell the truth like myself and uh i just couldn't take it anymore i i i just had to leave and the emerald mystic beat the hell out of him on on a live youtube video the emerald mystic came to the rescue of james p madonna myself and he did a number on him and and there was like i think there's there's almost like a hundred views of the emerald mystic's video because that they got all bent out of shape because the emerald mystic named names and he hammered and hammered and hammered and he hit below the bell in the old kool-yoons in the in the in the ballinis and they couldn't handle it and you know what the emerald mystic is not done with them actually i'm i'm not done with them because i just i just tore them a new asshole just now but but there's something oh by the way this tastes really good jeff i i highly recommend the people if you like you know alpha male craft beer this is the way to go but now jeff sam bellows coming to the rescue yeah did our friend crampus need to come to the rescue for little unsupervised savvy obstacles uh who climb inside the ice cream station there's only one where they want the aids are supervised now crampus used to be on this holy rollers uh uh hard hard whiskey show called dawn breakers he used to he used to uh drop in on him like at six a.m. and and he and the guy banned crampus because crampus was too harsh this is the holy roller that now on at the buffet today the royal hibachi buffet there was only one strange kid it's always a little boy that causes mischief and he was his fault it's a parent's fault so yeah until this audience knows you know james and i are very nice and loving people he has to call for truth so we're not like attack on little children or anything when we say these things it's about the parent well i attack modern modern day parenting because a child if a child is in someone else's place of business they should not be unsupervised if they're a minor there should be a guardian or a parent with them they shouldn't be diving into the ice cream freezer uh like this little kid that was rubbing his friggin nose as he was scooping ice cream his his schnazola his proboscis was hanging you know over and i was watching him closely to make sure he wasn't dripping because i would have freaked out now radioactive um blueberry ice cream oh no that wasn't blueberry that tasted like cotton candy it was horrible i i i took one little spoonful and i go this is not for me the green rate the radioactive green churnobyl turned out uh ice cream turned out to be like a french vanilla with pistachios in it it was actually quite good but but the blueberry no no it was like it was like carnival cotton candy you know like that that that that that that you know hold on hold on okay now seriousness jeff sam bellows muscle and ministry with a message he has special events coming up and they're coming real soon and take it away jeff sam bellow and let's update the people on these fantastic events so next week a week from tomorrow be in the province of prince everton island one of my students and um actually too much students but one in particular this young man he's a father of three 29 years old he's in a 242 pound class he training he trains he trains at like six hundred six five pound deadlift he does two reps with six thirty five he does four reps with six oh five so four reps times three seven uh with six oh five he's gonna go seven hundred pound deadlift uh with three judges there wow three judges wow he's gonna be interesting about 460 and it's all unequipped and uh i'm very proud of this young man this guy is so enthusiastic about training i get five to ten messages every single day from this young man and because he's so excited about training it can be i gotta tell this kid to slow down a big day well you're his you're his mentor you're his guiding light and he looks up to you and you know something if you turn if you turn him into a champion and he starts winning medals stay national champion next year in 2020 he's gonna go for 800 pound deadlift you know what it's so equipment like these jerks these little faxos you know he's probably does a diet hot jacks in the 50s or the 40s because i'm one of this guys gets veins all over his arms his chest his shoulders everything right he's lean this kid has a 32 inch weight at 242 pounds wow 32 inch weight and anyways um no this is gonna be breaking 800 pounds in 2020 so he has a real v-shaped torso him and he's like v no he's huge and he's he's a tough tough kid but he's humble and one of the things i like about this kid right is that he doesn't walk around the gym like a tough guy because he doesn't need to and he talks to everybody he's a kind person he appreciates a second chance at life and i'll tell you i i have good talk to him it's your business to me and he's gonna have a good good life he makes me so proud and i call him my adopted son that's a problem your advice is second to none there there is there's very few people that can turn a person's life around like you because you're teaching him longevity in physical fitness as opposed to short term you know what i mean like and it's not because i get you know i'm a paid coach or i'm paid this or that i receive nothing as full of money monetary payment i receive gold just like i would see your time james p madonna this man gives me his time and i'm gonna say something and i don't care james that gets uh you know blushes in the face or whatever but very few people give a rough ass about most of people james p madonna he's my brother with capital letters because he gives me his time in capital letters time is something one cannot get back but when you invest in time god the creator sees that i'm very touched i'm very touched i'm going to dig up a a basic adult of that sweet baby jeez i'm there i am it's wonderful and i'm very i'm very i'm very touched i thank you the water story uh hypocrites in the centers uh from silicon valley all the censorship well james this is like a bird well the show i did last week with uh gary w o is we discussed in depth the corporate fascist censorship that's going on like and they're really trying to to dummy us all up and take away our our right to a first amendment right or freedom of speech and and they really don't like people talking on social media because they want to brainwash us like lemmings like not we are street wise with street people so hold on speaking of brainwashing speaking of like uh wall street and big retail in america here they are the the big jumbo cubic zirconia stud earrings only one dollar for this beautiful pair look at them look at them one dollar these they're they're they're excuse me no they're not burping that was me they're that's a good work that's a sweet baby jesus burp yeah hey if how it's there can burp and make bulls millions so can i make millions so yeah right so get it get pretty white it's a boot yeah now look at that look at these cubic zirconias now who needs to spend thousands of dollars on a stone from south africa that's not even a precious gem anymore and with inclusions with imperfections when you can get a nice gorgeous pair of cubic zirconias and not get ripped off by jared or zales or or or k jewelers look at that look at that beautiful now i'm pro i'm keeping these at the reason why i keep showing these is i'm trying to prove a point that americans are suckers they're lemmings and they they they watch tv too much and they believe advertisement and the same thing goes on in your prison in credit card debt yes and and the fit all street now we we but we're not hypocrites like zealots but we believe in the physical and safe drug-free physical fitness world not the phony baloney physical fitness industry because we're not part of that i don't i just want to tell everyone i don't manufacture exercise equipment nor do i sell it i do not conduct seminars uh i i don't compete i don't own a gem i do not compete with judges but jeff does and i'm proud of him and i'm his biggest fan jeff sam bella does compete and he enjoys it and he's got and i'm very happy about his protege that he's turning their lives around it's incredible i'm telling you what jeff's doing he does he's been doing bible study for many years he knows scripture what what jeff's involved in is the real salt of the earth he's a pillar of society and um he's not he's not he doesn't cuddle no pun intended now now i'm laughing he doesn't cuddle actually actually how the fuck am i about now i now for those of you that don't know i i posted i put this should be on jack's joke shop i posted a video of of people again oh me pot of gold he gets i have to compete so i have to be i can be pussy nice and so but but james and i know what we're talking about so diddly up the annual windows diddly diddly do may i cuddle with you for a mere one hundred dollars cash there's a there's a there there are people there are people out there that are offering cuddling sessions for a hundred dollars which means it's not real affection they're just doing it for money and and since it's not sexual intercourse they get away with it now uh uh you heard what mario petrus said i would if somebody is is hugging me and rubbing me down like that my hand is going to be in between her legs there's no way i'm like you know i couldn't do that have somebody rubbing me down like that and well unless she was well if she was ugly she wouldn't i wouldn't allow her to touch me but you know if she was halfway decent and she's rubbing me and hugging and her hands are everywhere that the hell with that cuddling crap you know my mom and you know but anyway that was real funny it's on my profile for those it's just watching them talk and talking and you know i mean i don't we don't do it we're not in the business of of giving offering cuddling services these are other people and we're and you know that's why we're laughing uh it's you know we should laugh if people they weren't judges they could judge us all they weren't but you know what i'm still going to compete that's right with all my muscles i will never show up to a competition with skinny arms or skinny legs now i got something special to say uh a very old friend uh verne uvzian has joined the show also now i've known verne from since the early 1980s and i want to show verne something that personally that she gave me that came from her you know her mom's company in minneola long island she sold um concertinas and accordions imported from italy and and most of her clientele was in the midwest where they have polka bands you know polish and german you know the uh you know roll out the barrel you know she's she's too fat for me you know yeah anyway the jews harp came from verne in the 1980s it's made in italy and i still have it i still have it it's in it's still in the same perfect condition it was when she gave it to me in the early 1980s and i'm gonna play it uh all right still got it perfect condition i can play it better than ever so that's a a salute to verne and her late mother that owned the company uh i think her name was faith i could be wrong i think but that's not important by training i've been doing some hiking and some speed walking uh outside is the the snow's all gone we get nice warm temperatures up here like the sunshine so yeah i can't wait yeah you know what spring is you would do two games yeah there's lots of walking paths walking trails there's lots of walking trails the weather is becoming ideal even though the temperature has been dropping sharply at night spring is in the air and the uh the trees the dogwood trees have boomed and uh pretty pretty soon the two lips and i'm not talking about a labia uh or a two the two lips will be will be will be hold on we'll be in bloom salva please step into the dining room with my coffee i would like two lumps you'll keep on ringing that bell you'll get two lumps all right yeah the the two lips will be in bloom and over here people have a competition on who has the most elaborate gorgeous tulip display in front of their house say people are very competitive here in suburban land suburbia you know they do the same thing around christmas time jeff they they compete with the with the lighting and oh look at my house my house is the most gorgeous around oh it's wonderful you know so that that's what yeah but but whatever the old lady lives they do you know the elderly lady lives they do it they never they never shovel her walkway or wish her merry christmas but oh look at me like jerry thanks for the look at my christmas slice of my house but i will but i don't wish my name is merry christmas is i won't shovel the snow for the elderly lady next door they won't they won't talk to their neighbors they won't get to know their neighbors they won't try to help people in need they won't do shit but they will put a ton of flashing led lights in front of their house in front of their house to get attention so everybody stares at their house and say oh how gorgeous your houses but that's that's to me that's a phony christmas spirit that's what jesus called those out all the girls out the barracks it says boy you look your cup looks nice and white and clean on the outside but inside your cup it's all filled in depth and yes just like those christmas lights hide the fact that they try and watch them poopy stain in their underwear yeah their underwear is probably stain where it should stain on their underwear but they but they're wearing uh custom made arm yeah they got they got the azalea bushes and they got the japanese maple tree and they got the they got everything they got you know you name it they have it and uh their their lawns are manicured to perfection or but uh anyway uh jeff after uh oh yeah oh love me love me look at me i'm so beautiful kiss me kiss me need me need me yeah that was that was very accurate uh uh satire about celebrities and people in the spotlight you know that that you know and you know what happens to movie stars when they're they're no longer wanted anymore because because they're getting older is they they they have a meltdown a lot of the a lot of the stars the female mega stars uh of legend you know when they when they started getting less less roles and you know they're they're they were not in a spotlight anymore because somebody younger came around they didn't they didn't know what to do they didn't know what to it's like you know it's like a sports um um celebrity you know a sport a professional athlete's career is short it's not that long and and even if it was even if you took care of your health and you had longevity let's say let's talk about somebody i admire a lot i watched his documentary on netflix ted williams of the boston red sox ted williams even though he went into the he was in two wars um war war two i heard he was an outstanding pilot uh and in navy i think uh and he was in the korean war but you know he he saw he actually didn't see a tremendous amount of action between the both wars but he went but yeah ted williams despite the fact that he had a leave of absence for the military uh was pretty much the best baseball the best hitter in baseball that ever lived uh and and he wrote a book and he had everything down to a science and he played after the age of 40 he was still playing but you know he was on his way out but yeah okay you have long yeah yeah you know he stuck it out you have longevity and uh you know you but you could play but you gotta you gotta have a plan for retirement you have that you have to have a plan for what happens afterwards and what i'm trying to say is if you have a career where you're famous and you and you and you're rich and you have no plan for afterwards you know what if what if i get injured uh what if uh they don't want me anymore and some somebody young takes my place i and if you don't have a plan you you gotta be steps ahead and um now speaking of steps ahead after prince edward island there's an event coming up in dover new hampshire am i correct new hampshire yep uh it's cannibal uh meet uh sea coast sea coast cannibal club and uh we're looking forward to that very much looking forward to that that's on may 11th saturday may 11th that'll be you that will be i can't wait i've been training so hard for that and uh i'm dead and i'm all healed up listen the fact that you you rehabilitated yourself and you're all healed up because of what you have done with your protocol is is absolutely amazing there should be a book written about it i think maybe someday there will be but i think that your testical monial i'm sorry your testimonial your fortitude your intestinal fortitude your testimonial of how what you did with your injury and how you made a huge comeback and now now if you start really excelling with the kettlebell competitions forget it that story enjoy life i enjoy competing i love training and when i compete i plan on doing a lot of kettlebell competitions this year and um and uh i just every time i go to a kettlebell competition it's like christmas morning when you open up the presents it's just it's so much fun there's positive energy you deal with great athletes this kettlebell sport is the hardest sport i've never done in my life um because the last image non-stop was only one hand switch that's incredible and it's more of a mental toughness because you have this little quiet voice in the back your head that says oh if you put the kettlebell down get a little understanding no no no you fight that voice and that's how you win anybody who gets on that kettle on that platform male female young old whatever right it finishes the 10 minutes that is a is a winner well because you have heart you know you have heart to to to suck it up and and and and you do is in training and condition your mind with discipline you know and yeah but don't don't give away your secret but you have a secret weapon in your training for the kettlebell competition that you told me off uh off the air but you keep that a secret that's okay this is the part of the problem and i want i'm i'll talk about it because everybody has no method and that's what we're all about here are power lines we're helping each other and and not uh extorting each other or or whatever we're about to hear the help okay hi if you feel comfortable uh talking about your your training for this that's fine it's a you could do um if it's okay with you because you're the block no go ahead no go ahead tell tell me in a humbly in a humble way yeah and if people want to open up you know a discussion forum here i really welcome that because i could probably i i can always learn something from someone else with real life experience that can see them who i greatly respect yes anyways um so um let's see in the morning i do my ctt which is which james and i have patented uh is centrifugal centrifugal or centrifugal torque training and i do that with the fudge hammer steel club mix then after that and i also use persian meals and um wooden indian clubs for mobility whatever and um i'm just trying to speed this along then i'll do cannibal's portrait um i took a certification class in 2016 at the niagra cannibal sport open and the cannibal uh champion who taught it was danis vassalov uh from russia and he's a master of sport and he also has a master's degree in um kinesiology and all those stuff oh wow north education and he's also had this master of sport in paulific so he was a world champion paulific before he became a cannibal sport um master of sport and um so that's the highest hesitation you get and um um so anyways his course and so it's all about programming and so today for example i did um five minutes on my left arm uh at 20 reps per minute uh then you rest for five minutes then you do your right arm for five minutes and i went at a pace of 20 reps per minute with i walked at the top because you have to walk that's that's how you get a point um it's a fixate it's called fixation you have to count so that went well that means sunday i will do a ten minute set non-stop um and then i stop my cycle all over again uh the next week i train wednesday friday is sunday and then so wednesday will be um you train for multiple sets up to 12 minutes um say three four minutes or or um four three minutes or six two minutes as long as you get to 12 minutes but you get the same way you program it so then that's the morning and then um in the afternoon on my way to two days that's my schedule by days and my cctc days and my power for this um then i go to my commercial gym i do a lot of cable work everything is unilateral single arm so um i'll do a lot of cable work for my rear delt uh at different angles it's very important to switch the angle to hit different muscles different parts of the ten and the joints the lower jacob and do a lot of rear delt work then i do my delt work i do all i work out i do single arm cable stuff um you know i don't want exercises um for 45 minutes every Wednesday Friday sunday then i do the weight so then i walk over to the dumbbell rack and then i do my push exercises so i do incline dumbbell um presses like with um single arm um usually 15 to 20 reps each arm some multiple sets but i get a great burn great pump it's also great on the joint because 15 to 20 reps that is very nice on your joint it doesn't destroy your joint and you get all the fresh blood you get the lubrication that's a snuggle fluid in the in the mobility it's great and then i'll go do bilateral exercises after that that's my afternoon workout and then i finish off on those days with like 20 to 30 minutes of incline treadmill at a very fast walking speed with a steep incline and i push myself and i push i break mental barriers and um it's it's wonderful and then on my non-weightlifting days um i do an hour of cardio on those days and um so that's that's it all basic natural stuff and it just feeds my soul my spirit my mind my hormones it generates dopamine serotonin um or your adrenaline is flowing too all that stuff and and your your testosterone is maximized from from the deadlifting and the deadlifting i do on sunday and i do deadlifting i do set up eight i usually put you know three plates of which just i don't three wheels just three fifteen you know i'm not gonna pretend oh i do uh 500 pounds uh sets full crap i'm 54 years old i work up a 350 pounds i do sets of eight reps why because we do sets of eight reps with a nice moderately heavy weight against eight reps not three reps not five reps which heavy is it's gonna ruin your back it's gonna wear out your you know all the discs and everything i don't need a hernia is just playing my life so eight reps sets of three fifteen and i don't even count the number of sets i just i i could probably do anyway from 10 15 sets and because i'm watching on the gym and then i'll go attack it there's another set of eight and i'll do some other exercises let's pull up all my you know uh you're a wireless network i'm gonna work whatever get work and i'll go do another set of eight which means 15 because we have five different platforms so this is like i'm hogging up the gym with my deadlift bar no no no this opportunity is for other people at other stations and anyways and that's what i do on sundays and i'll tell you man my traps my lats everything my hamstrings are so pumped up it and then next day work on mondays it's beautiful i'm all sore but in a good way a good soreness with that healthy soreness oh yeah it's not sharp pain from an injury yeah not not not sharp pain from it from a muscle tear or an injury we're talking about a good soreness with good form with my shoulders behind the bar when i'm pulling it off the ground not in front of the bar where we use my lower back no when you put your shoulders behind the bar you're using your legs you push your legs to the floor yeah anyway that's enough of that that's enough of that grip i always use a double overhand grip well oh you know what i saw when i go for a pound i have to use a mixed grip you'll be put one hand is over the bar middle and under the bar anyway that's a whole different thing but i try to use double overhand grip to strengthen my grip for ctt the cannibal sport and to help with the deadlifts and um it's which are very very i form up over now of the biggest and most cut up they've ever been in my entire life i wish i had these warm ones in my 20s and 30s they're like poppy i love all day out there all this training all this old school training you know especially with the Persian meal and everything i love it well between the between your forearms and your and your horseshoe uh triceps you you know you when you wear a tight um a short sleeve shirt uh nylon or whatever you know it really stands out because i've seen some of your photos and you you you've made a vast improvement uh um well just to give people some consumer advocate tips i was in the store five below and they were selling these four or five pound miniature sandbags hey folks you don't have to spend five dollars a pop for these little miniature sandbags just go to Lowe's or Home Depot and get a 10 pound sack of play sand for a few dollars and you know you want to fill up your Bulgarian bag or your sandbag or whatever you want to do with it and you know you don't need to go to a sporty good store and get ripped off you'll you'll always get the best consumer advocate tips from yours truly and jeff sandbell now speaking of Bulgarian bag you know that uh elitist snobs are severely lacking a sense of human i said to an elitist snob in the fitness industry with a thin mustache i said wouldn't it be funny if you took an old Bulgarian woman and put her in a loadable Bulgarian bag and started swinging her around he says that's very offensive how dare you say i would do such a thing what if that was your your mother uh that some someone was swinging around right i said there was a joke somebody called up and your mother had to perform and uh the guy was in a time wait but we won't mention that yeah so go ahead with your story no the point is it was a joke i'm not gonna really i'm not advocating putting cable ties around the old Bulgarian woman's uh risks and things yeah i mean and these are the people that will never be able to sit in a gym locker room without the males and and joke around and tell stories you forget about that and and it's the same thing with the with the with the religious with the religious fanatic zealot that refuses to buy or taste sweet baby jesus uh craft beer because it is blasphemous it's a blasphemous name i didn't have a question on this church did this person ever fight with the special forces of afghanistan no no hell no no he never now why are they so special and and he goes to church all the time but i don't think anybody go to church but i don't think he's in he's ever involved in any charitable organization who's going to go to church everybody oh yeah he's always saying oh i'm off the church i gotta go i gotta run folks he's off the church if he's such a pious person how come the german shepherd across the street is always snarl snarling at him we're ready to bite him in the ass i mean i mean usually nice church going people the dogs usually like you you know i don't have any problem with dogs they all human game we all sin every day every single one of us she told me when this guy is driving home from work if somebody kept them up he doesn't say a little swear word under his breath or he doesn't get mad and say oh you know this and that i'm sure he does i'm sure he does more hey if he's drinking hard liquor at six a.m. oh yeah every day i don't drink with i don't drink scotch and bourbon at the crack of dawn and do a show oh my god i think i'm called dawn busters every freaking like uh five thirty in the morning do a lot a live show about whiskey i'm sure i'm sure his religious wife must love him with that with the whiskey breath at six in the morning well he's he's divorced but that that's besides the oh yeah i see there you go i just told you you know i'm talking about it why is he the boy hey uh hey well well hold on i'm blessing people i'm blessing people with my bourbon and scotch hold on i'm using the uh i'm using the the red belt you know when the priest you know goes you know waves that thing around and shoots out holy water all right when i do to get the casket i love hey hey hey hey i think i think it's a funny joke if somebody brought a couple caskets uh in a sporting event and says i want to do a real deadlift with with corpses in it i want to use a couple corpses in the in the casket one in each hand of the uh deadlift picture because you're pretty good at caricatures um especially with this beautiful new award but anyway um you should get a couple of caskets on the end of each end of the bottle is a the deadlift on the event wait a minute a bamboo pole with two two rings over each casket and you stick it through each end of the bamboo pole and you earn yeah to earn on the end of each order well and then you could say i make money the old fashion way i earn it i earn it oh by the way i gotta salute the new award we forgot to blow it out of your ass award right on the right on the polyvon group to blow it out of your ass award is for people that are lying sex of shit that are hypocrites and and they go around just bragging and lying about everything and you'll see it right on the international brotherhood of polyvons facebook group and of course this this will be on youtube with the link for people that are real serious about safe drug-free physical fitness to join this wonderful uh group uh unfortunately all the uh all the phony baloney fitness groups have you know many more members than we do we just have honest people with integrity you know but you i mean you can go you can go we just tell the truth with simple people that that tell the truth we're not looking for material gain here and other i'm looking for a complete fulfilling life and you know what when i spend time on this show yeah when i go to new jersey and visit my friend jane and i sit in down the three or four other times it's worth with a two dollar cup of coffee that's a million dollars right there and you know what they have memories they have real fast internet and they have great coffee and it's a great place for serious with that guy uh who's a good talk rate who puts uh in his basketball sneakers with dog poop on the bottom of them on the leather couches but wouldn't you know but we can't think oh mr cohen with the bitch tits mr bitch tits cohen and he was there the owner the owner of fun but business anyway yeah but i show one of them i i like the i like the dunk and donuts on main street and lower eye better if the people are nicer there and you know and and you can have real serious this is your nick garibald the avenue 146 yeah yeah he's not yeah it's right by garibald yeah they're both by garibald right but you can have some there's a lot of a lot of people that come in a lot of good looking girls come in the uh the the staff is real friendly and real nice and the internet is really lightning fast and yet you can have some really nice deep conversations business meetings whatever you know um uh to um a person i respect very much that genius ramsey of a new greek witness a great humble man who knows his who knows his craft he knows his craft there's other great people out there like like william calvanny kentheeson kashia zahd whoa wait a minute that's when is that going to be did that happen already kashia zahd in in in connecticut yep and that'd be very good and we'll i guess we're going to speak for ourselves a little more cheap for ourselves and but um anyways yeah if kashy if kashy uh he was kashy out of respect for kashy he would go very well listen i just i think that other people book him too um i hope other people people to learn from the great man i hope other gym owners in in on the entire east coast see the light and book kashy is odd in in their gym book and thieson too and book kentheeson book book kentheeson give william calvanny a call uh these are people with real knowledge real integrity and you know don't make kashy fly all the way back to sydney australia book him book him you know i mean the poor guy's on the plane the 30 hours you know book him you know i mean i don't know i mean i i i know it it's like the fly five hours can you imagine flying like almost 30 hours but anyway um that that that should do it um um it's it's at the 10 p.m. by you so i'm gonna blow to bolson's whistle and uh say uh till next time you're still there thank you my brother yes thank you here goes and welcome to our special physical fitness pirate ship till next time bye bye this has been a mega live 21 production


We are delighted to have our speaker here this evening, and he's going to give us a talk on what he does and how he does it. There'll be time at the end for questions. Then we take a fair chunk of time for just refreshments and a chance for people to chat with each other as well as ask questions of our speaker tonight. So that's it. Thank you very much. I'm going to talk about my work but indirectly, and I'm going to talk about basically the lineage of printing and how that has ended up in my lap. We are here in this Mechanics Hall where this Mechanics Hall was built to support the people making things in this town. It's just as important today as it was when they built this building. They built this building because they saw a loss of people actually using their hands to make things way back when it was built. We see the same thing today, I think. So this is a ridiculous title, but this is a lineage of the history of printing, but then it ends up in my lap. So this is a chart showing the history of printing. Well, the amount of time that we have been printing. So the first black line, the largest area is the time period. It's a timeline. So it's the first flint weapons to the first cave drawings. It's 230,000 years of human development. Then the second red line is cave paintings to the time of the cave paintings to the hieroglyphics, 15,000 years. The third, the black line, the smaller one as we're going down in size, hieroglyphics to Roman letters, 5,000 years. Then the smaller square red is Roman letters to the invention of printing, 1500 years. Then that little sliver down there at the bottom is the time it took for printing to spread throughout Europe as soon as it was invented. The time that we've been doing printing is only 570 years. So it's a fraction of that little red square. So let's go back. Yeah. So prior to the invention of movable type, books were printed from wooden blocks. This is a contemporary place in China where these are the pages of books. So a book is ordered and they pull these blocks, these are woodcuts and every woodcut is one page. So they pull them all off and print them, and you order a Bible and you get one, and they just print them out of these wood blocks. So Gutenberg is the beginning of movable type in 1450, and is the beginning of the technique that I use and printing as we know it. So basically what that is is a piece of metal lead that is in relief. You can see how it's used here. It's a small piece of metal and each letter is on its own piece, and you just compose them to the words that you want. Gutenberg came up with this system. He also invented printing presses and printing ink, and a number of other things that contributed to the beginning of movable type. And like I said, it only took a few years for that technology to spread throughout Europe. And you think about the time period that that was, 1450. What would it take, I mean people didn't have cell phones. How did it spread throughout Europe in that short amount of time? Gutenberg was best known for his 42-line Bible, of which this is one page of it. So prior to him doing this, this page would have had to be all carved out of wood, all in one piece. So this is the earliest, first known illustration of a printing press from Danse Macabre and from France, well printed by Matthias Huss in 1499. So the Danse Macabre was a series of prints that showed every station of life, of every job that people had, and each one of them had the death figure hovering over them. Just basically, I mean from the pauper to the king to the pope, every one of them had the death was close to them. So death comes to us all no matter how high we are, basically was the point. So it's showing the beginnings of these printing presses. I put this on here just to show you this, the printing press is in the middle and made out of wood with struts going up to the ceiling, and it was basically just a big screw press.  This is a press of Ascensius in 1507. It shows the press a little bit better in this illustration. So that's a really short history of printing, really short. But I just want to get the idea that this is part of my, what I do, it is a lineage all the way up to those of us that do this today. This illustration is, so why is there so much printing in Maine? I think that's an important thing to think about. This is a banner from the, it used to be owned by the Mechanics Hall, the Mechanics, and the Mechanics would host a parade. And I don't know how many of you have seen these banners. They're at the, they're at the Maine Historical Society now, aren't they? Yes, and they're beautiful. They're beautifully hand-painted, and so each station of life, again, would have had a banner and you'd march, and I guess they marched down the street and had a parade. This one was for the printer. And it's a little hard to see. There's a printing press on the left. And I think another printing press on the right. So Archimedes' Lever, and that's the front of it. This is the back of it. The tyrant's foe and the people's friend. So, so, you know, there was a lot of printing. There always has been a lot of printing in Maine. And there is a lot of printing in Maine again, not on the massive commercial level that it used to be, but we have more letterpress printers in this town, in Portland, or in the surrounding area, than most, you know, large sections of the country. One of the reasons that we historically have a lot of printing here is because we had the resources. And so the wood, the resources, the paper. So this is the raw materials. This is a log drive in Island Falls in 1895. So the logs were being taken out of Maine, or were being produced into things in Maine. So we had lumber for building, but we had paper making and a number of other things that came out from the logs. Here's another interesting photograph. This is a log drive on the Soco River in 1894. So our rivers, the fact that Maine has the rivers that come, that feed up into that resource, the log, the trees. So the trees would grow, they'd cut the trees, they'd put them in the rivers, and they were brought down to the shore. And all along the coast is where the factories were, and the paper mills, and the ships that could carry them to other places. This is a beautiful, I had to show this. This is the companies that made paper in this area in Maine. This is the Continental Paper Company Anniversary Booklet, Rumpford Falls, 1905. So there's a pretty good size factory, a picture of one there. So just some samples of what was made. This is a picture of Rumpford in 1900. It shows these companies. The Rumpford Falls Sulfite Company, capable of producing 40 tons of sulfite pulp per day. Rumpford Falls Paper Company producing up to 60 tons of paper a day. That's a lot of paper. Rumpford Hill Chemical Company, Continental Bag Company producing one million paper bags per day in 1900. And that was that booklet that I just showed. International Paper Company and the Rumpford Falls Envelope Company, all in that complex right there in 1900. Here's a shot of the St. Croix Pulp and Paper Company in Woodland, which is now Bailliesville in 1920 from an old postcard. And here I put this in because you can see the rail line. So we used to have a lot of rail lines that ran through Maine because they were pulling all of this raw material and these resources out of where they were being produced and bringing them to where they were needed, where they were sold. So the shipping of the materials, we have that. We had the ships. This is sailing vessels in the Portland Docks. And this is the Grand Trunk Railroad in Portland in 1900. So I mean, that's a lot of trains. And so you can see this Y printing did well here. So here's some images of some of the print shops. It was a prime place for printing to thrive. This print shop is the print shop of the Sanford Weekly Ledger. The ledger ran from 1892 to 1895 and later became the Sanford Tribune. So you can see those big old presses. Those things weigh a lot. I should know. I've been moving them. And you can see in the picture, they would have probably been steam driven and they would have had a steam engine in the cellar or somewhere outside of this room. And they would have run a shaft, a rotating shaft into this room and you can see the pulleys up there on the upper right a little bit. So the shaft would come in and have pulleys on it and the belts would come down and run the presses. Or it was water driven. We do have a lot of water supply of dammed up water that would drive these presses also. This is a photograph of the Stephen Berry Print Shop. This is at 37 Plum Street in Portland, 1887. It's where the bank is now, one of the banks downtown. They tore all that stuff out. So in this picture, it's not only the Stephen Berry printer, but if you can't really read it from the slide, but there's a book binder also in the building which is often what would happen. So this was right in Portland. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight people being, nine people being employed by Stephen Berry at least. This is the Tucker Book Card and Job Printing Office. And from 1859, it was located at 65 and 71 Exchange Street, Portland. It was burned in the fire of 1866 and was later replaced with a new brick structure for the First National Bank on the corner of Exchange and Middle Street. So what's there now? Tommy's Park, I think. There's still part of a bank there. So this is a huge operation right downtown Portland. Then this is an example of Tucker's printing, a call to arms for the Civil War. And this was a local poster that was just distributed locally. It was not national at all. Sons of Maine to join the 12th Maine Regiment in the fall of 1861. So Maine and Portland in particular has a long history of printing. As does New England in general. And I think, I mean, Boston has had a lot of printers, famous printers out of Boston. But I think, I theorize in my mind that the reason they were printers in Boston was because they could get paper from Maine. I mean, I don't know that for sure, but I think it makes sense. So now I'm going to jump up a lot and to more direct lineage to wolf additions. And I'm stretching it a bit here because I never met anybody who worked at this place. But this is the Marymount Press in Boston. And it was the beginning of the revival of fine printing in New England. So printing kind of went cheap. It was like big factories and, you know, it was bad paper and bad type. And it was just kind of done quickly. And with the revival of fine printing in England about the same time, in New England we started to do the same thing. So the Marymount Press is a very famous Boston printer. And it was Daniel Berkeley Uptyke. And this is a picture of him. And he was among the very few four or five printers at the time that really wanted to make printing better. And wanted to make. What was the time, David, when you talked about? When would, Scott, when would Uptyke have been? The teens up through the 40s? Teens up through the 40s, just as a guess. So you've got, so you've got the interest in fine printing growing. And we've, so this is some samples of the Marymount Press work. Beautiful compositions of these title pages. And he influenced many, many people. Just that he was successful and he was doing fine printing. And he was asking the question, how can we make it better? How can we do this in a better way? And he wasn't looking backwards. So the printing, early, early, early printing was really beautifully done and very carefully done. And it kind of went down. And he wasn't, he was reviving it just the interest in fine printing. It wasn't, he wasn't trying to bring back the old days. He was trying to say, all right, we have new machines, new technologies, and we can make fine books with this and do a better job. There's, this is Thomas Bird Mosier. And he's the, he was from Portland. And he was considered a publishing pirate. He didn't ask permission for, to publish people's works. He just, it was kind of prior to copyright laws and actually many, a lot of the push to get copyright laws were caused, came about because the work that he had done and people were complaining about it. And he was on Exchange Street. This is some of his work. So on Exchange Street, you know, this is right in Portland. Some of his beautiful designs, Art Nouveau, I was trying to find that word. And so then now we're going to get to a direct lineage for me and my friend Scott is, is Antholenson Press. No, Antholenson Press was a press that was on Exchange Street. It originally had been on Franklin Street and the building burned and they moved into Exchange Street because they were just junk storefronts and they could get them cheap on Exchange Street. And Fred Antholenson, this is him in 1940. He was a portlander and he started working at a place called the Southworth Press. And again, he was looking at Marymount Press, that Marymount Press preceded him a bit and he was looking at Marymount Press and saying, that's the work I want to do. I want to do really good work. So he started working at Southworth Press and then eventually bought it and turned it into the Antholenson Press and brought the level of printing in Portland up to a fine press level. Here's a letterhead from that. And so after the fire on Middle Street, it was moved to 37 Exchange Street. So this is when it was on Middle Street. And I could go on and show you tons of examples of this man's work, but I'll just show you this book that he wrote about types and bookmaking. And at the time of this book publishing, it was 1943, it was called the Southworth Antholenson Press. So he had bought it but he kept maintaining the old name a little bit for a little while and then he dropped the old name. I was hired by the Antholenson Press. That's what brought me to Portland. And I had studied fine art printmaking in art school in Baltimore, but I was really interested in this book printing thing, which in art school, I was not taught letterpress printing at all. And I came and swept the floor at Antholenson Press and learned letterpress printing there. We had that business was based on linotype machines. So this is a rather gregarious linotype machine. And this is about 4,000 pounds of cast iron and working parts. And I learned a lot there. That place got me started on letterpress printing. And that's where I realized that's what I wanted to do. And I wanted to make fine books, fine printing. That place closed and the general manager at the time and I opened the Shagbark Press, which was in South Portland. So that's a really picture of me setting up something in one of the presses. Here's kind of a shot of the shop. So it was me, Harry Millican, who was the general manager of Antholenson, and his wife, Gwen. And you can see in the background that big double magazine linotype, the one in the background, and then the smaller one that Harry's operating there. Harry had worked at Antholenson Press for 45 years and they were closing the place. And he said, do you want to open another place? And I said, yeah. So we ran this for a while. I won't show you tons of pictures of things that we did, but we did. I showed this one because it's local, the Tate House, in 1991. What year did Antholenson close? What roughly? 87. So Harry wanted to retire and we wanted to sell the business because he was going to retire. And I got a job offer at another place to work and my friend Scott Vile bought the press from us. And so Scott's press, he named it the Ascensius Press. And I went off to work at the Steinauer Press. So you can start to see this line of people that, now it's a lineage, we're not related. We're related because we're all printers. And I never met Fred Antholenson. I worked at his shop, but he had died by the time I worked there. But I feel related to him. I did work with Harry Millick and I felt like he was a father figure to me. So there is this non-familiar thing that is this chain of people going forward. So I went to work at the Steinauer Press, which is a fairly well-known printing establishment in Vermont. And that's not me in that picture, but I kind of looked like that earlier. This is the composition room. Steinauer Press produced thousands of books over the years. They started in 1950 and they closed in 98 or something like that, somewhere in there. This is a book produced for the Grollier Club and the Houghton Library, printed by the Steinauer Press, a book about the Marymount Press. It's a little too much, but. Here's another title page of a book that they did beautiful composition in 1994. The Steinauer Press used a different kind of composition machine, which is called a monotype machine. This is a weird picture of one. And so when I decided to leave there, that place was closing. I don't think these places all closed because I worked there. But I don't know. So that place was closing and I moved back to Portland, worked for Scott for a little while, and then just opened up my own studio again. And when the Steinauer Press completely closed, they asked me if I wanted to buy their composition department. So it was one, two, three, four, five composition machines. This thing looks small, but that weighs about 2,000 pounds. 2,500. So now we get up to, so I had a print shop in Portland called Shagbark Press. But then I come back and I start Wolf Editions. So here it is. It's in the Calderwood building. I know this looks like the whole building's buried completely in snow, but the embankment goes up there. But it was a lot of snow. My interest in, I have a strong interest in fine art, and I've always had that. And so my shop combines fine art with the typography. And there are some other letterpress shops around, fairly close, and everybody has their own kind of niche. And they've got my friend Pilar, who is running the, is she here? Yes. In Portland, she's running the Pickwick Press, Independent Press. And that's more of an open access community print shop. And I can't describe everybody's place, but Scott's shop has a certain niche. And my shop has a niche. And we try not to step on each other's toes. We try not to.  But it's at 61 Pleasant Street. Here is Crystal running the Wessel Iron Hand Press. I forget what she was printing. And we have big cylinder presses, which are hand crank. There's some pictures of some big pieces of wood type that somebody was printing at some point. So I've been printing in Portland for almost 40 years, which it just scares me. But it's been one place and another place and another place. It's not. But I've been at Wolf Editions for 20 something. So some of the work that I do, rather than having shown you pictures of my work this whole time, I'm trying to give you a history. We've done a lot of posters for the Tides Institute up in East Port. I've had a strong connection to them. And so these are posters that are 20 inches tall. And this one's probably 12 inches wide. And it's wood cut. So the word East Port and the port of is cut in a plank of wood as well as the picture of the ship and as well as the solid piece of wood that is the gradation. And then it's a little hard to see in this light, but there's two paragraphs at the bottom explaining about how the port of East Port is over 100 feet tall at the dock and how they can pull container ships, huge container ships up, the downtown docks, they can just pull right up there. And so how do you explain that visually is just that was my answer. So the Tides Institute has done a lot of workshops. So this was a workshop about photography where they took a room in the museum and closed off all the windows and put a pinhole in the closure. And it projects the image of the outside into the inside. This is a poster about the St. Croix Island, which is in the St. Croix River, which divides Canada and the United States up near East Port. And in 1604, the French came and saw this island. It's really out in the middle of the river. It's a huge river. And it's got fresh water coming down and salt water coming in. And they thought this island would be great to colonize, to land there and build a little town there because they could defend it. And they did that. They brought all the stuff that they needed, the building materials they built there. They settled in for the winter. And in the winter, the ice comes down the river and builds up on the side. And they couldn't get off the island. And they ran out of water. And the coloration on the left is kind of a symbol that it was like 50% to 60% of the population died of scurvy the first winter. And so it's just a poster telling that. Sardine, maple leaf. So these are combinations of woodcuts of my design and metal type, typographic elements. Eastport Salmon Festival. So we do these posters. We do books. This is Allison Hildreth's imagery, who is a local artist. And Jonathan Alteridge, who is a local poet. The work that I'm coming out of is mostly book work. So at Intholenson Press, and at Shagbark Press, and Steinhauer Press, and Essentius Press, we did book work mostly. In the last 15 years, there's been hardly any book work. So we branch off into other things. But we're seeing more interest in the book work coming back. So my son and I are pushing back into that. So we're going to be doing more of that. But some of the other things that we've done, a rapper for a CD, a music CD. Remember, music used to come on these things? And certificates. This is the Baxter Society, which is a local book-collecting group. Not so much now, but in the past have done things like wedding invites and things like that. So one aspect of what I've done is teaching. So this was a bad color. This is a group. This is a master class from Bowdoin College. And these are art students at Bowdoin that came. And the woman holding the print is a fairly well-known artist. And she came. And the class altogether in my studio made the print with her. So they could learn that. You've got to teach. You've got to. I don't teach full-time, but I teach as much as I can. So another aspect that I've done at Wolf Editions is to have one-on-one teaching situations. So this was my first master printer training program. Some people get really wiggy about the name master printer.  And whoever called you a master printer, I don't know. So there's Lisa Pixley. And she worked in the shop for three years, I think, to learn technically how to print, but also how to learn to work with other people. Because in the fine art printing field, a master printer is somebody who is a technician who works with the artist and helps the artist to realize their goal of what they want to make. And so to do that job, you have to understand people. You have to know when to make a suggestion and know when to back off and let them make their mistakes or whatever. So there was some technical training involved, but a lot of it was just working with other artists. One of the artists that we've been working with for a long time now is Charlie Hewitt. And he lives in Portland. And we do a lot of work for him. We've been working for him for a long time. There's a picture. No, that's not Charlie. That's Charlie up there. That's fearsome. So that's one thing that we've done. And Pilar, and I'm sorry, Pilar. I don't have a picture of you. But she's right there. She's right there. And Pilar came and worked for a number of years in the shop as in the master printer training program. So in the old guild system, which printing was, that's how printing was taught and how it was organized, you'd have an apprentice and you'd be a journeyman and you'd work your way up and you'd become a master. And a master was somebody who had their own place. That's really all it meant. Somebody who knew what they were doing, but you could have a really, really skilled journeyman. But they weren't a master until they had their own place, till they were the boss. And so both of the people that have done this program have their own place. Pilar has Pickwick and Lisa has print craft up on Danforth Street. And so I'm really proud of those people having done that and going out and both of them doing something on their own and becoming masters in their own right. Because we have these two-ton machines that we have to move around all the time and people give them to you, they say, here, take them. You've got to come get them. They're up on the fourth floor. But we've learned how to move stuff. And so I get called to move big equipment. Tomorrow I'm going to Connecticut and pick up an etching press and bring it up and deliver it to Bowdoin just for hire. And so other things come about. So somebody contacted Scott a little while ago, wanted to use an old printing press for a movie. And Scott was like, yeah, well, I think David Wolf got the one you want. So they called me. And I was like, yeah, I don't have too much going on right now. We'll do it. So they came up, they sent. I was like, well, who is this? I said, I think I told them I wanted to be paid in advance. Because I figured some college situation where somebody's making a movie. And it turns out it was Sony Pictures. It was Little Women, the production, the new production of Little Women, which will come out at Christmas. And they wanted a printing press. They set up a whole set that was from the time period. And they needed some actual printing presses. And they wanted somebody that could actually run the printing press and actually print. So I kind of got pulled into it. But it was kind of exciting. So we packed up one, two, three iron hand presses from the mid-dating from the mid-1800s, plus type cabinet and a bunch of other stuff. They sent a truck up. They picked it all up, took it down to Franklin, Massachusetts, and set it up in a studio, a big, huge studio.  And so I don't know if I'm going to be in the movie or not. But my hands might be. My hands might be. So I keep my mind open to different things to do. Plus, this paid so much, I couldn't not do it. Yeah, thanks, Sony. So I've always tried to keep the doors open and keep my mind open to doing what seems interesting. Because if I just sat there and printed raffle tickets for the rest of my life, I'd go berserk. So my son, Sean, who is right there, decided that he wanted to do this. He wanted to continue in this lineage. And it's ironic that the lineage up to this point hasn't been through my family at all, but at least the one that I'm picturing in my mind. But now it is. And so this is a picture of a studio that we set up up in Eastport. Well, we moved in before the real estate situation was settled. And it got sold out from underneath us. So we started moving up there two years ago. And then we just moved it back to Portland. So back in Portland. And we're working together. And I think he's going to do some great things. And his approach is different than mine. But the ball's moving into his court. So it's up to him to figure out how this stuff goes forward from here. I'll help as long as I can. So here we are back in Portland. And that's all I got. Oh, Scott. One of the interesting things that I was just thinking about with lineage is the fact that last year when I moved, I started remelting a lot of lead that I have. And it's interesting that you and I now own the lead from Steinauer, Anthos, and Shagbark, Sunhill Press, and Firefly Press. We have probably 15 or 20 tons of hot lead, hot metal, that we use to print books from. And this is continually recycled. So we have the lead that's been used to print all the books over the last 125 years from these fine presses. It's true. I hadn't thought of that. When I'm in the shop and I got people watching me, we're casting type. And we take the old slugs that we're done printing from and we put them into the pot and they melt. And I always tell them, the old idea is being melted into new ideas. And that's, you're right, the metal itself goes back a long way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, Jay. I have a question, because you talk at all about it. And I don't know that much about printing, except that I met you. And I think I met Scott when you guys were both at Anthos and I was upstairs working in main color service, two floors above you. And my first experience with Lutterpress was seeing all the guys standing on the sidewalk, smoking and drinking coffee in their ink stain aprons. And what is the connection between ink and print? I mean, really quite frankly, did the printing presses change the development of ink?  Yeah, it has to do with the drinking. I mean, how did the creation of presses change because ink obviously was around well before that? Well, all right. So Gutenberg, one of the things that Gutenberg, other than the movable type, was ink. He did develop some of the ink. He changed paint into ink. And you make ink a different way for different kinds of printing. So etching ink is very oily, but really full of a lot of pigment. Printing ink has a lot of varnish in it and less pigment. Paint has no varnish. It's almost like mayonnaise. So it is. And so yes, when printing, so Gutenberg, I wish I knew more about Gutenberg, but when he decided we're going to use movable type and he came up with a press for making the impression, he also had to come up with an ink that would, how do I get the ink onto that raised surface? Because you're printing from the raised surface. And how do I make it sticky so it sticks? And how do I make it go into the paper? All of that changed as technology changed, as paper changed. Originally, they were printing on skins, animal skin. So it would change as the materials they were using changed, but it all developed basically at the same time. We have a press. Sean and I have a press that's gone that's over 200 years old and it was developed by this man named John Wells. So the original presses were a screw press. So it's a great big giant screw in the middle and you grab hold of the handle and pull and it just turns partway and it pushes the platen down and makes the impression. So John Wells was an ink maker. And they had presses for crushing linseed for making linseed oil. So for pressing linseed oil and it was a toggle. So you take a bent toggle and you straighten it out and it's pushing down. So he took that idea from pressing linseed and applied it to making a printing press and made a printing press that was something like 80 times stronger than the screw press. So all these developments and so then somebody comes up with a different kind of paper and then somebody's got to make the ink doesn't quite work the same and so they got to, it all worked together. They were, printing press was like the invention of the printing press was like the invention of the airplane or like the invention of the computer. They're these really major or the invention of the linotype machine. They're really major things that changed how much the knowledge was spread. So you go from setting type where you have to take one piece out of a case, put it in, and you're going like this. Well then you come up with a machine where you go and you're typing it and it's making the lead type as you type it. And it's 13 to 15 times faster. Well it's 13 to 15 times more information that goes out and educates the world. Where can somebody see a lot of your work? Or anyone's work? Senseas, I mean does the library collect some of the work or do God forbid folks ever have exhibitions? For those of us, I mean I've always loved letterpress because I've had very little contact with it. And just to see. There are exhibitions here and there. Yes? The print room at Bowdoin is pretty good source. A lot of our work is up at Bowdoin. And so if you know what you want to look at or you don't know, you can always talk to one of the reference librarians and make a selection of things which they can then bring out. It may be a two-step process. They might show up one day and have them pull it all out. But it's a library, the print room at the library. No, it's called the Rare Book Collection at Bowdoin College. And it's in the library, second floor. Yeah, they have a pretty active. And the Portland Museum has a book arts collection, which is mostly artist books, but a lot of them involve printing. And the University of Southern Maine has. And the University of Southern Maine. So we have lots of resources, actually. But you have to kind of. As far as my own work, we have a gallery space that's in the building where we are. And the shows switch out, but I usually put up a show once a year, at least. I'm open to visitors if they call ahead and make an appointment. I have thousands and thousands of pieces of paper that people can look at. And if I can schedule it so that I'm open to people coming to see the shop. It also makes me think about the work of the printer. And that is, do you have a copy of everything you've ever printed? Here's what we're supposed to. I think different printers do things. Some printers make sure they still have one of everything they've ever done. I'm not that careful. And my career has gone up and down. And I've worked in some places where the product that I'd have a sample of was worth some money and I needed to pay rent. So I sold sort of my early collection of stuff that I had done before Wolf Editions to Colby. Now, I don't know what there was a gentleman up there collecting fine printers from Maine, but he's gone now. So I don't know what they've done with that collection. Was it for the library? Yeah, it was for the library. But I have a lot of, in trying to find images for this talk, I was looking for some of the stuff that I printed. I was involved in printing at Antholenson Press. And I don't have any more. I got rid of it. Like all those quarterly publications. A lot of the work that Antholenson did was quarterly publications. So we were printing a 100, 120, 30 page book four times a year. And we had five or six of those. When I started, it was a lot. That's a lot of typesetting. All those pages typeset with a machine, but all in lead. And it was years and years and years of the American oxonium. Well, Scott has all those now. I don't know if you're still keeping them, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. Type changes with the technology that it's being seen on. And the sensibility, the basic sensibility behind it changes also.  And you know what I'm talking about? That kind of type. So a lot of people call it German type. It looks very German. Well, people who read, that was what they were used to reading. And they could read that very nicely, very fluently. And how they learned to read was with that type. And when they started using Roman typefaces like we are used to, they couldn't read them. They had trouble reading them. So but that changed. People got more used to the Roman, and now people have trouble reading the black letter. And even a step further than that, I have trouble reading a book on a computer, but my kids, well, not my kids, but kids, have trouble reading a book and can much prefer to read it on a computer. So we have changed as much as the technology has changed. And I'm not saying it's for better or worse. I don't know. We get information a lot faster now. I don't know if that's good. But who knows? When they started, when they went from writing books by hand with a pen to typesetting it, picking the ones out one at a time, people thought it was the devil's work. They thought it was, they thought the end of the world was near, literally. And then the same thing happened when the typesetting was being done by hand, and they came up with a machine that would go 15 times faster. They thought that was the end of the world. And the computer is the same way. And then the computer, to this ridiculous thing, that's another step from this. And what's the next step? I don't know. There's no, I don't think one's better or worse than the other. It's just you've got to have an understanding of it.