u have training money and then you've got some special projects and services So if you had something that was an ongoing nature, it would be programmed as a line item upon your direction If it's a one-off expenditure, we would confirm where that expenditure comes from And then it would just be paid out that year as an expenditure as opposed to living in the budget Okay Hey, thanks. Thank you follow-up question. Um, how about the The money that we receive in terms of salary. Is that in personnel services? It is And do you call it a salary or a stipend? It's I think called a salary because I think that's how the municipal code resource do it as well Charter the chart notes in the municipal. Yeah the charter. Yeah, you receive a salary It's in Santa Cruz municipal code chapter 1.18 compensation of mayors and council members Each council member shall receive a salary of and then it details the net the amount And that includes your salary and benefits as well and other associated variable costs Can you do a back of the envelope quickly? If we were to take the 5% increase this year, how much would that equal? Um, I can go to run that number right now. Thanks just one follow-up to this is someone someone had emailed us a question about the Community TV remember we had that discussion where we changed the way the fees are assigned and I think during that budget Meeting or discussion. There was a question about where those funds reside in our budget and how they're paid out Do you know if there was any sort of response to that? Yeah, martin or i'm sorry marcus and I had a follow-up And I believe that they do appear in our budget as an in and out and we can track down that exact location to show You and also the question was about could some of the the peg fees we take and help pay to The cost for um cable casting some of your advisory body meetings And the answer to that is no they cannot because those funds are restricted to pay for capital costs only So for instance, we were talking about we pass those through to community tv That pays their lease costs their equipment purchases. So things that are defined as capital under state law definitions and To pay a fee to cable cast a meeting would be an operating cost Similar to we pay actually an hourly rate to cable cast your meetings So it'd be similar so it would have to it would not be eligible to come out of that that peg fee revenue source But I will council member chrono. We'll go run that five percent for the mayor and council member salary And marcus i'll email it to you Then I had a question public works questions. Um, there was some about One I know there's costs assigned to like infrastructure improvements and the cip item 47. I think or page 47 It Wondered if there was a policy which supports the installation of traffic circles or roundabouts rather than signals So when we look at how we allocate budget, I know they used to be listed in the The cip where you'd say either or where you'd show what projects But you know for estimating projects, how do you determine? You know what the process is to decide whether or not going to do one or the other Is that roundabouts and traffic circles are less expensive? True. Good afternoon jimber transportation manager, um, we don't have an official policy And largely is determined by the size and geometry of the intersection And the nature of the improvement we're making out there if we're just replacing a traffic signal controller Obviously, we're not going to redo the whole thing So really every every situation is different So that would be something that would be proposed to one of the advisory bodies or how do you What's the process? Yes early in the process Typically if we apply for grants, that's the first time you'll see it with the application project Thanks, and then the other was um, the clean beaches Clean rivers and beach fund. I saw that there was $50,000 assigned this year Can you tell us a little bit about what those funds are going to be used for? I think they're going to ask. I gave the questions in advance, so Okay, well, why don't I ask a different question at this time If there's can you in terms of the ev charging expansion on city lots Can you charge a little bit of the background? I think it's great that we're going to be working for working on these over the next year These are expansion of the ev charging station on our city lots Can I get a little bit of project background on what we're going to be doing? So mayor council members climate action and sustainability manager tiffani wise west So the ev expansion project that's in the cip is a result of a three-year Electric vehicle enhancement kind of plan that we've put together with public works that includes a consideration of capacity issues to manage those types of projects We do estimate that that project will take a little over a year to likely develop With the air district. We are anticipating air district funding for this We do see a need for increased charging most likely in the next couple years That it has come that understanding has come as a result of An ev owner survey that we conducted last year as part of our ev Public ev charging needs and use study um, and so that's really kind of a high level background on What's planned? We don't know exact locations yet. All of that is Will be determined through the design process as we're Looking at potential infrastructure needs locations and so forth. When might we see them out out in the field? Um likely two years from now. Okay. All right. Great. Thanks. You're welcome um, I had another question in regards to The status of the Schaefer Road project. I know or if you want to add it I got your information on the um, the 50 000 for clean beaches mark Dettel director public works Um 40 000 of that is for the trash capture project at state. It's a state requirement that um improving the collection of debris in catch basins, um in our stormwater system And then there's 10 000 for uh, save the waves cow working group Great. Thank you. Follow up. How they using how the caps work or do we do we have to be out separately? That's part of the study the 40 000 is trying to figure that out because um, the requirement Within 10 years is to capture debris as small as a cigarette butt And so trying to figure that out with all of our catch basins is is a challenge So we'll be working with a consultant to figure that out as technology improves in that area So just I don't know if this is go ahead Follow up question because consultants are on my mind at the moment. Um In these uh, you know difficult budgetary times how um, so will you be working with a consultant at let me just Paul park figure how much would that cost for a consultant to You know, we don't we don't have the proposal at this point But that's something that we'll be looking at because the technology is advancing in this um, sometimes technology drives regulation and sometimes regulation drives technology and in this case The state kind of got out in front of the technology So all cities are kind of trying to adjust to this new requirement So we're going to be monitoring what's going on and then we'll have somebody come in and look at our specific system and see How it can be adapted So I'm a couple other questions public works questions Can you talk a little bit about the status of the Schaefer road project? And there was a question that came up in terms of project proposals on the west side and what's going on regards to having a new connection off of Sure, um, there's a jimber again. There's a potential new project Out on the west edge of town Um across from where the current homeless garden project is operating With the potential project out there comes a potential street improvements of schaefer road that fronts part of that property And a potential connection both for emergency services and for general use of the railroad tracks If the project doesn't move forward, it's not likely the schaefer road will move forward But um with the again with the potential improvements That's when we want to take it full advantage of any development that happens out there I understood the schaefer road that um the kind of the the grade crossing that's been in the in the Capital improvement program for a long time. So you're saying that it if that development doesn't happen It's not going to be pursued. Yeah, we're looking to um get only one half of the road is built out there So without the other half, um, I suppose a project could move forward But it would we would be our best to make it all happen. Okay, especially given the budget amount in the cip Can you also one of the big projects? I think everybody's looking forward to I think is um the segment seven for the rail trail And on cip 66. Can you talk a little bit about like what's happening? There sure segment seven is um The final plans and specs are being produced. I believe today And we'll stamp them and sign them and put them out the bid That's for phase one of the project that goes from Bay street to the um Uh out to um natural bridges drive And uh phase two, hopefully will be within um Six months to eight months behind So in terms of when when might we see a response of bitter and have a groundbreaking for 27 all right Uh, how quick you want us to build it? Um while he while he's mayor No, I mean, I just want to see I want to be able to ride on it while I'm I'm still here Nine months. How about that? Oh Probably take a little longer. Oh really? Okay Um give it a year.  We got it started in order to finish it three three months and you can lift the shovel the dirt All right. Yeah, and then um the other I didn't know if this is your area too But the bike locker replacement that was on cip page 95 Yes, uh, we had scheduled that originally over two years and the downtown commission Really wanted to see it move forward faster. And so we accelerated the funding to be to all happen next year Unfortunately, we've lost some of our staffing in the traffic engineering division So we're gonna be hard-pressed again to get that all done, but that's why it's all in that first year So if you approve it, that's what that's how we'll right proceed I plan to I was just wondering if like we also include any sort of cameras or anything when we look at doing Garage improvements. So we have at least better surveillance so that when we put these lockers in there's You know opportunities to kind of make sure that they're also protected for garages. We do For the bike lockers, we've only ever had two incidents as long as our lockers have been in place and we're actually getting rid of the The older style lockers and go more at the metro style And again, even with those two incidents, we're not entirely sure they were locked correctly So we think they're pretty theft-proof And so cameras are not included that would be an expensive add to the locker program In terms of you and just the garages though, I mean when you look at any sort of improvements Do you is that something that you consider when you're making those recommendations as well? We do and we included updated camera Install with our latest lot 10 Equipment replacement. Okay. Yeah. Well, I always appreciate going through the public works There's so much you're doing even when we saw the management partners report It's like covers the gamut. I mean, I think every mission critical service is for the city So when you're not working people know it. Thank you And may I just say when you're working people also know it because it took me a little while to get here That's a result A couple questions about the recycling garbage I just see on page 104 of the index there's 39 and a half fte's for solid waste worker. Is there is that include also the uh, The recycling trucks is everybody in the under the same category Bob Nelson public works Um, I'm sorry. Could you repeat the which the solid waste worker on page 104? There's 39.5 fte's like is that include Both trucks like the solid waste as well as the recycling. Yes So there's no separation of categories like that or we just have one solid waste worker That's the drivers. So okay and um Composting do we have any um date when we might have a composting project in Santa Cruz? We have we have the pilot project going on right now for food waste Um, so our equipment is ordered Uh, we've got about 120 day lead time still left So we anticipate, you know, probably You know somewhere Neuro November or something we should be operational and be able to start expanding that currently we're taking material over to Santa Clara to be processed So once we have the equipment on site, we'll be able to process it here. Thanks When I know we're gonna wrap up at 12 30 and then we'll come back and I know there may be questions after that But one thing I was asking about was, you know, I noticed in this there was a in the HR department. There was a Um stretch assignment policy and I just thought that was really kind of something that we should all Want to hear about in terms of how we engage some of our employees and different assignments in the city So I wanted to know what the stretch assignment policy was and how does it help the city both like from a employee standpoint and also financially Well, thank you. Lisa Murphy the HR director for the city of Santa Cruz. Thank you for the opportunity to tell you about that program actually the genesis was your policy setting one of your strategic plans was Employee engagement and so we did an employee engagement survey and from that survey was professional and personal growth opportunities So one of the ideas was a stretch assignment and basically what that is another enhancement in training opportunities for employees so they may not have Let's say budget experience or recruitment experience and they want to get that so that they can move up that next level So we give them opportunity to stretch and train in that Program so they can then put on the resume that they've done it Just a quick great example that how it's been implemented was in planning They had several individuals trying to move up to the next level and didn't have supervisory skills And you don't just get to work out of class and gain that because you don't have that skill So they had the opportunity to do a stretch program and gain that so then an individual internally was able to promote We have another really great example going on over in it Where we have a stretch assignment where somebody from parks is going to go over and learn a new assignment So it's a really wonderful opportunity It's not paid because again it's training and it's purely voluntary and we monitor it We set goals and then mark achievements for it So when someone goes into a stretch assignment and let's say it's voluntary They're moving above whatever position they're in does that experience Qualify them for advancement opportunities in the city. It does. Yeah. Yeah, it gives them that opportunity particularly I'll just use in my own department the ability for a Toronto recruitment Which you don't have an experience but will mentor and train you so when you go for that that position you can put that down Great, thank you. Thank you let's see there was Some a question I can hold over because we're going to go on break right now, but Is there anything we want to talk about before we take break for lunch? Just two quick questions for water This may have already come up and I apologize, but I have one on parking Okay, well, um, we're just I mean we can also if you want to do that No, we're talking about taking a 12 30 lunch. Um, we could continue three minutes. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah Thank you rosemary River coordinator, I don't see it on page 105 of the index where all the water Folks are located Jobs is is that in here? it's in the water department and it's uh currently in our operations division and our sort of watershed compliance section The position we retain the funding for it's actually fund out of the water enterprise fund at the moment and we are Planning on doing a kind of a citywide assessment to try to define what the role is more clearly sometime during fiscal 19 and Then make a decision about how it should be funded and going forward where it should be located, etc But it's a little bit of a we held the position And and some resources so that we could go forward with it, but um, we haven't we're going to do a process before we get there Will it be called a river coordinator or something else? I don't know Water shed manager. Um the ranger you you have um seven and a half ranger positions in water Yes, they're at Loch Lomond How many total rangers that's all thanks. I just want how many tall rangers do we have in the city? Does anyone know or 16 19 I think if i'm calculating correctly with I did um rosemary say seven seven and a half and then with the current ones that we have in parks and recreation That would be 13 for we're staying in parks and recreation and nine going over to um pd So total if I think about 20 20 and a half. Thanks a lot That's more brown So my I'm just trying to figure out the parking fund we have Deficit on its index number at page 88 in fund seven four one Um, and I'm just trying to figure out how how it is that we're like What are we drawing down on to get us to this kind of a deficit on in the parking fund? Um And how do we figure out where the the line item is for fines? I think we talked a little bit about this the other day, but I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm confused So the the the fund balance is just a snapshot in time. Marcus feel free to correct me Yeah, are you just want to jump in let me jump in just quickly It includes all capital projects assuming they're all going to be done by the end of this month That's not likely. So that's what impacts that we know projects last a long time You're not seeing we aspire to councilman crown and say Matthews earlier Not only do we aspire to have a multi-year budget we aspire to have a longer term cip plan So you can see the year 2021 22 and you can it'll make more sense when you see those future years out there As it presented right now it just the budget stays so it we can't get rid of the budget It's been improved in the past, but it makes it look funny It assumes it's going to be all spent It's the biggest anomaly And um, marlin did send me those and I'll just forward it to the whole council How much was collected in meter fees and how much was collected in revenue from fines? Um, mr. Grandland just sent that to me this morning okay All right, so we're right at 12 30 and so I think if there's questions that people have while they're having their lunch And they can come up we can bring them back when we get here at about let's we'll say one 10 or so one 10 and we'll regroup back here And we're going to close the chamber so that the clerk and everyone has a chance to also break at the same time so Um, we'll be back here at uh one 10 We maybe marcus if you could put back up the schedule just so we have a Or bonnie So we went through uh budget presentations which I believe the materials for the budget are in the back Left-hand side If you were here this morning you heard about some of the outreach that took place over the last several weeks where we set up a Community focus group. We also had a public meeting that was on may 31st and we also engaged with an outside Consulting firm to do a peer review of our budget compared with other similar cities those presentations were made by um finance director marcus pimentel And we are now at a point where we are going to um You the public to hear from you regarding Our budget for the proposed year and then we will bring it back to city council discussion and additional questions that may come Following your comments. So at this point, I'd like to See if any member of the public would like to speak to um this item. It's our loan item It's our city budget. Is there any member of the public here that would like to speak if you could if you'd line up to My left on this call and we'll we'll get going you'll have two minutes per uh speaker Yeah, yeah, you sure you're first standing there and you're at the mic So you will give you the time just just one second before you begin.  My name is taylor barcroft I'd like to encourage you to use some of the The mirror the cannabis sales tax money to help perpetuate meals on wheels I know it's a government. It's a federal program, but it still needs local subsidy and uh Also, I'd like you to consider looking into Making all the food organic and meals on wheels because the non-organic food is not necessarily Contribute to longevity and older people So I know that's a long-term goal might not be met while we're still alive But I think that ultimately it should go all organic if you look at the prices of organic food at costco It's really inexpensive. It's not this and sometimes it might be less expensive than non-organic food So it's something to consider even if part of the meals can be organic It would be great if you get if they could do that and then identify which parts are organic so, um All told I mean the the meals on wheels is more than just nutrition though. It's a social thing I go specifically to interact with other people because otherwise i'm alone home alone for the rest of my life So it's really important to me as a social Process that I can interact with fellow seniors Um Monday through friday Thank you for your consideration. Thank you, sir next speaker, please Good afternoon, mayor and council members. My name is carly memley I'm the program director for suicide prevention service and also work with family service agency of the central coast We've been a long time service provider in the community and we provide both 24-hour crisis counseling services As well as in-person individual family and group and couples counseling In a wide range of ways for people who are young adults elders We're very proud for continuing our partnership with the city. We're very appreciative for the years of funding and support I'm sure that you'll agree that even in years where we are experiencing flat funding That still isn't really flat funding as our expenses go up We over the last few years have had a market increase in demand for our services people in our community Are struggling and needing support With flat or even reduced funding We're doing our very best not to let the safety net of our services be further eroded where we might not be able to meet that need Meanwhile, we're doing our best to meet the demands for evidence-based practices and Integrating new and innovative technologies and approaches to serving our clients and meeting the community's needs for crisis intervention For suicide prevention for counseling and for community based mental health provision We are concerned that any further reductions in the funding for services may have Significant long-term and short-term and medium-term Impacts for our community that in the end may actually be even more costly to repair or to regenerate or restart the services that We have thought so hard to continue So we're very appreciative for your support and ask for you to do everything in your power to avoid any further reductions in that And we are more than willing to be a partner in coming up with innovative and creative ways to do that Working together with the other programs that are here with our community members To try and make sure that we're strengthening that safety net of services rather than degrading it further So thank you for your time and thank you for your hard work on the budget. I'm sure it's not an easy process Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon city council. My name is drew clever. I am a local resident and community organizer here in santa Cruz And I just wanted to come and talk about the budget in general But specifically about your community programs budgeting and how that's being allocated In my opinion, there's a lot of aspects of the budget that need to be revisited For a variety of reasons Especially with regards to need and priorities Reverend william barber who is leading the poor people's campaign movements across the country It says that a city budget is a moral document And it illustrates the priorities and values that the city has of what they feel is the most important And what they feel deserves focus and energy Recently unfortunately the city council decided to cut the new avista community resources budget by 25 000 While simultaneously funding twice that amount on a pump track for mountain bikes Now that program offers services to community members that are in need that are vulnerable and that deserve support from the city but unfortunately It was chosen to cut the program. I understand that today there's the possibility of cutting additional funding from cab the community action board of up towards of 200 000 Now this is a countywide program or organization granted, but they have programs that serve our city in That's the way to say this These are essential programs No matter how you cut it no matter how you split it And so I believe that if we go back and look at the budget and reallocate some funds, especially with regards to some of the Improvement or construction projects that are proposed and some of the money that's being held for that It's my understanding that there's the possibility that the warf environmental impact report is reaching its expiration date Which would require another environmental impact report for a project that is not even Yeah, it's received a lot of community pushback because of the planning process from the city and the planning department That can cost tens of thousands of dollars So if we're allocating money into these projects, but not following through with them, it's like throwing the money away Thank you very much. Thank you Next speaker, please Please hold for one second councilmember noroyan. There is something a factual Issue I'd like to bring up. I keep hearing this figure that we have a proposal to cut To cut community programs 200 000 dollars I've been told that that's actually 50 000 dollars. Is there a way to get a correction on that?  I think it might be a best at this point if we could hold that question I appreciate it. We'll put it down and then as people come up and speak I know you're I know that what you're what you'd like to do is prevent people from maybe You know comment on something that might be factually incorrect So if there is a staff member that wants to come in and speak to that at a certain point We can get that response, but let's just maybe continue with the public comments I was hoping it could be steeped in reality What was if we go forward with the conversation? There's well, I guess I I've seen responses that came back To the group. So it does have that information as well. Okay, but um, I mean, you know There's times where we get comments from you know people that want to express issues that that are that they're That they would like to communicate to the council. So if there's a response From the city staff in regards to what that amount is we can we can take it as the speakers continue Okay, next speaker, please Good afternoon first, thank you all for your service to our community and representing your constituents I know you're making lots of really difficult decisions today and In your roles here at the city council. My name is Joanna Edmonds and this is Nia Um And I'm here today to represent the parents of children who attend the santa cruz toddler care center Which relies on city funding through the community programs portion of the budget And we're really extremely concerned that you've proposed a $200,000 cut to the already very small community programs portion of Your 2018 fiscal year budget The santa cruz toddler care center relies on city funding To provide high quality child care at affordable rates for a diverse population And they've already weathered cuts of over 40 in the past years continued cuts to this program are not going to be sustainable And could result in higher rates for parents like myself Um, I'm like I said, I'm representing the other parents who are also Hard working and they couldn't come today because they're at work While our children are in the care of the toddler center We are at work in their community as teachers doctors social workers small business owners professors government employees retail shop managers mental health professionals Transportation planning professionals oceanographers public defenders nurses and many other professions Without an affordable high quality care options such as the toddler center I and other parents would not be able to work these much needed jobs that make a large impact on our local community each and every day Our families many who have been here for generations are fighting to stay in santa cruz And affordable child care is one of the things that can help us stay in the community. We love so much If you make cuts to the community programs portion of your budget You will hurt the local economy by hurting Families and adding another financial burden to us Please stand up for hardworking local families by saying no to the proposed funding cuts Thank you for listening and for your consideration. Thank you next speaker. Please afternoon mayor council members I'm kate hidden camp. I'm with the community action board santa cruz county immigration project As you are well aware on february 13th of last year santa cruz residents were awakened to the sound of helicopters before dawn Ice agents said they were serving warrants on dangerous felons, but many of our families were caught up as collateral I recently spoke to a santa cruz resident from al salvador Who along with her 11 year old daughter was held at gunpoint while her home was searched for a man who no longer lived there a man They didn't even know Santa Cruz families like hers remain vulnerable to political tides I want to thank your council for your support of programs that provide a degree of stability and hope to these families Including kems cabs immigration project As you know skip receives $11,000 in funds from the city of santa cruz Which this year allowed us to provide over 2,000 consultations for santa cruz residents and 169 crucial transactions Including citizenship applications work permit renewals and renewals of DACA status for people who were brought here as as children This summer these numbers will rise as we expand our services into davamport and live oak We want to reach more mid and north county residents We do reach them at our watsonville office, but we feel like we want to be more accessible and more nearby In just the past two weeks we reached hundreds of people at the gala getza and at the mexican consulate day at bransa 40 middle school Skip and our partners have also provided dozens of santa cruz families with greater security by introducing them to our childcare safety plan Thank you for your continued support. We do urge you to protect protect vital funding for community programs Thank you. Thank you next speaker. Please Good afternoon major and city councils Council members. I'm angio marino muslim from community action board the rental assistance program And this is iran martin from the rental assistance program So first of all, I want to thank your you and the rest of the council For your critical support of the his of the community's programs to provide virtual support of the most vulnerable community members Including the cab's rental assistance As you know, the rental assistance was funded 30 000 in Corp funding which supports a program providing rental assistance to avoid homelessness Eviction and trauma this past year with your support We were able to assist 16 families that reside in santa cruz a total of 54 individuals And which 30 of them were children? Recently we had a single mother that came in from the beach flats seeking rental assistance She stated that she felt ashamed Asking for this assistance after she felt welcome into her office and never judged. She was truly blessed that we were able to assist her and Avoided homelessness for her once again. She has been previously homeless And that was her trauma. She didn't want to be homeless once again And we wouldn't have this assistance for her and once again without your support We would not be able to assist this family as The other families we have assisted Therefore, we urge the city not to make any more cuts to the community programs that support the most vulnerable I'd like to thank you for your support Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon. My name is maria rodríez. I'm the programs director for the day worker center And my name is luz maria fuentes and i'm the coordinator at the day worker center Uh before anything I would like to thank you each one of you for all the work that you guys are doing on this budget Today just wanted to share a little bit about the day worker center We are a program of community action board and we offer day Job matches to day workers those individuals who are On the streets looking for jobs at the home depot or their locations and on water street We are making a big difference when with these families. We are this past Year for since July 1st to now we have provided 3,747 job matches to these individuals And we have about 155 day workers registered into our program And we have over 2,000 employers in a register that are willing to open the doors to these day workers And when you're making this budget decisions, please consider these individuals who may not have other locations where they can go and Go look for jobs. This is the only place where they can come and get Income to support their families and bring food to their tables Uh, and I just would like to ask you to please Do not consider when you're making these decisions to keep these families in mind. Thank you. Thank you Next speaker, please Um, hi. Good afternoon. Hi. Good afternoon to all. Thank you for your service But my name is Javier Rodriguez and I'm a day worker and I've been A day worker since 94, but I have a Going to the day worker centers since the last five years And there is a place where it can provide me for work In some sort of skills because this is a real difference Between being on the street and have a place where we can safely get the jobs and Probably respect because we're part of the community that we're representing because I'm representing the whole I mean all the day workers through all the county So I just urge you please to consider not cutting funding to the day workers Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please Hi there. I'm Nora Caruso from the Santa Cruz toddler care center Child care is in severe crisis Um right now, which means that our community is in severe crisis right now We um as a sector have um whether such severe cuts that um the supply of child care is Dwindling as the demand is increasing Personally at the toddler center, we have over 200 families on our waiting list for 12 slots And um at the same time I have fewer and fewer teachers that are coming to apply for jobs Because they can't afford the $15 an hour that we can afford to pay them in order to do this work These are people that have college degrees and there's no wonder that they don't want to come and do this work After I leave this meeting I need to go sub on the floor because we've been short one teacher for over a year So my um skills as a director are being used on the floor because we can't recruit any teachers to come and do this work I want to echo what mr. Glover said in terms of priorities because this is not who we are Santa Cruz I know your priorities are to help children and families and low income people and the disabled and the elderly But we need to see that reflected in the budget I don't understand how we are asked to weather these cuts over and over again It's it's incomprehensible to me and I just want to end with a quote from joe biden who says Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon city council. My name is lisa berkowitz and i'm the program director for meals on wheels a program of community bridges Today there are lots of folks here with me from the loudon elson community center and the folks sat down yesterday with blank paper plates And wrote out some very heartfelt messages that they would like to share with you There's a packet that's been made for each of the city council folks. That'll be distributed to you Please do take time to look through those messages To give you a little bit of an update the seniors we are serving for the city of santa Cruz We are up to now 61 of them are 100% are under the poverty level We're also seeing currently that at loudon elson. We have a participation now of 47 of our seniors are homeless We are seeing very great differences and challenges faced by all of these seniors and really appreciate The past support and encourage The council to consider not making any cuts to community services These are providing vital services for all members of our community. Thank you very much Thank you next speaker, please Next speaker Hi, good afternoon city council. My name is dave lumas and I just wanted to say about the senior citizen program is very important To the community when I first came to town it was a big Help to me and because I was struggling and Trying to get back on my feet again, and I just think that it's an excellent program And it's very needed by the senior folks in the community and if you would consider Not making any cuts to that would be great and thank you Thank you, sir. Next speaker My name is lindar clinton and um I was Right over here at one point for on property to claim property and Bring it up to code. I have One two contests A couple years ago and then again last year and I have donated to loud nelson building to mr. Nelson to keep for his own personal Funding and also to meals and wheels For their own personal funding and I plan as soon as I get some more contest money coming in I plan to redo the same thing and I read through these little pamphlets here and I feel Everybody that said something I feel the same way. I'm six over 65 and I'm a senior citizen I'm a senior partner in my own office is 1367 pacific avenue up on top and I've had paralegals And people ask me for help to get jobs and I've helped them legally keep their get their business license and Keep in the courthouse system and anything I can do to help It's a depot and we're out crevassing lots of times And in the meantime, um I've at the I'm at the point where I'm homeless And it's personal reasons and So I feel for everything I feel for people who work and try to help and I feel for people who Can't get jobs and I feel for people who are homeless and I want to thank you all very much Thank you, ma'am next speaker, please Good afternoon I'm James Dillon. I'm a long time 35 year resident of Santa Cruz. I'd like to present to city councilmember chris coron A compilation of the paper plates that they decorated for you Yes, I'd like to speak on behalf of um The meals on wheels program at loud Nelson center Um, I've been semi-retired for a couple of years um and uh I avail myself of a of a fine nutritious lunch Monday through Friday and hang out with some very Interesting people who discuss religion politics You know old folks get together and they talk and it does create quite a um It's a social fabric of the community. It really is. I've seen um I've seen uh A crackdown if you were at the loud Nelson over the last several years They took the senior lab computer lab, which had half a dozen windows and Four or five mac PCs and that's gone That was divided into half With one half being a conference room for the staff and the other half becoming new offices for the staff The staff has a beautiful new conference table and uh Nice little office with cubicles and lots of computers But unfortunately the seniors don't have that asset anymore. It was open from nine to three You could read a book. You could read a magazine. I brought my laptop in on an occasion and Used my laptop and you know, check my email and whatever, you know, I didn't really use their computers. I brought my own And I probably Anyhow, um I'd like to just say a few a few words about they closed the bathrooms Yes, sir. For god's sake. If you just wrap it up. That's your time's up Thank you. Okay. Um, thank you for your service and for putting up with us. Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon mayor and council members. My name is lily and I'm the director at neighborhood child care center On behalf of all the community programs I I just hope that you can find it to reconsider any kind of cuts To the community programs You know, I'm here to represent neighborhood. Um, while we didn't get funded through the core process I'm I was hopeful that we would be able to reapply at the three-year mark You know neighborhood is a very rich history I I want to echo a little bit about what noris from the toddler center said and her parent who came to represent the other parents You know, I've been there long enough now to start Our waiting list now has grandchildren coming to our program My teachers some of my teachers their father Taught at neighborhood They just have the passion. It's runs through their blood To work with young children and to offer high quality care But they're doing it at the expense of Living wages We're barely able to give them living wages. Um, and every time we get a cut We have to find cuts to our program and it's just this vicious cycle that we run through When we make cuts And when we can't balance our budget because even with cuts We have to raise tuition and then tuition just continually falls on the shoulders of our parents And then we lose our sliding scale And then we become an alias preschool, which we don't want to do We want to serve all families across the spectrum And we're feeling like our our hands are being tied year after year. So I'd really like to Have you consider Not doing any cuts whatsoever. So thank you for your time. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon, Karen Delaney. Um, I'll try and be super fact-based. So, um It is a fact that despite having more money to spend this year the city is struggling to Deal with outside costs. We understand that which is why we didn't ask for a cola at none of us this year Because we are also struggling with outside costs. It's a fact that $50,000 Around there is a five percent across the board cut to core program And every penny that you guys put back in additional funding last year for special needs is totally eliminated That's how you get to $200,000 It is a fact that very few other contractors in this budget have similar cuts Um Does seem a little bit disproportionate. I don't think there's any nefarious attempt the way you build your budgets Is your excellent staff really spends months going over priorities and for our hidden folks You guys are the only ones That really can Counterbalance that and show up for our folks. They aren't there in the mix. There's just you and us So I want to end by reading from one of our hidden folks who we helped this year named rota I've normally and always been an independent and active person until I broke my leg She's 82 Now I'm in a wheelchair I've been told that I need much more help than my family can give So the fact that helping hands could put in a grab bar for my bathroom And a smoke alarm for safety and fix the drain pipe under my kitchen sink is a godsend Thanks for helping keep me living independently. I do not feel forgot So There's facts and there are values and our folks can't get here for three months And you need to decide what this community values Thank you. Thank you Karen. I want to also thank you for participating in the focus group and for your feedback there Great. Hi. How are you? I'm break. Can't see no community ridges CEO high council members I know you guys have very difficult decisions that you have in front of you You know, I want to advocate for all social service programs They're the front lines of a lot of the Unintended consequences a lot of the things that you're going to be investing in and it seems like every time we come here We have this discussion It's reactionary. It's reactionary to what the outcomes are instead of working at the byproducts and the root causes Of some of these issues poverty is an issue. It leads to vandalism. It leads to You know to to people going into houses breaking and entering Small crimes if we address things through the social service sector, which we know Everyone's aware of upstream investment and prevention We concurb some of that, but yet we don't invest that way, you know, we we know there's a seven to one Dollar return on investment in early childhood education, but yet we don't think about it in those terms We know that there's literally no literature that correlates more police to a safety safer community Yet we continue to invest in that. I understand that it's not about pinning different Budgets against each other, but I think that there's a a reality that there is a a substantive difference between What five percent does to on already at the fringe? Sector versus what it does to a you know, a well funded ongoing Department and so I feel like those conversations need to be had and we need to put them out there because we have a fiscal cliff for Non-profits a lot of our non-profits are not paying living wages They're not paying $15 an hour and guess what if we don't increase or at least maintain the line We're going to continue to see service cuts. We're going to continue to see more homeless We're going to continue to see more vagrancy problems and more issues in our community 50% of the people that currently access our service at loud and nelson are homeless seniors We're not addressing that even in the homeless plan And the reality is is social service sector is the only ones really trying to impact that so Please consider the outcomes of that and please consider the funding. Thank you Thank you next speaker, please And before you begin, is there any other member of the public that would like to speak on our budget? This is our public comment period for the fiscal year budget Okay, thank you Youth Power Student empowerment. It's an international human right I hold conversations from early in the morning as a gray panther And know most of you who are sitting up there. I came because I got an email from cab I'm here with the power of You know county-wide organizations to follow ray and You know volunteer bureau. It's my honor Uh, I just want to speak into that there couldn't be something more important Than just the money for those who sitting in those chairs investing your time As I know what each one of you are doing But you know, I want to explore later through email Or come up at another time when we're not talking about the budget And I just want you to pay attention to the percentage In our community of Latinos and know that they they have a potential of Santa Cruz Vision where but 32 Latinos no matter how much the cabs and others did Were empowered so beyond giving the money, please bring your human resource To youth voice and student empowerment Connect through one of your city council people to the power of uc santa Cruz And the county office of education And show what our police chief can do with fight crime Invest in kids Just you take the time if you do research As a gray panther we mostly died off We're going to probably have tim come up and speak of the power they need money to gray bearers But we also need to come from what it is To build on what this city has this policy Know that you're not the only one with the budget go over and see how Salinas is cabin to lay off police and everybody else. So I'm honored to be here tonight. I didn't plan But if I have resources One of you who sits in that chair eventually will introduce a good idea. I wait for that. Thank you next speaker, please My name is robin haas and I was born in this town and Number of my relatives several generations back were as well I I primarily spent summers in this town until adulthood And I have fond memories of how seniors were treated They were a dominant portion of the population back in the 50s and 60s now, uh, I'm somehow I can't account for it, but I became a senior Don't ask me to explain the numbers, but anyway, I attend the senior meal and it's It's a wonderful experience socially and nutritionally and and a lot of people depend upon it And for many it's their main meal And I hope you don't make cuts to those that program. Yes, if you'd speak into the mic, please. Oh, okay, right I hope you don't make cuts to the senior meal and You know Meals on wheels And also the we lost as was mentioned by a person earlier. We lost our Senior lounge and I don't recall any senior actually asked about that We just lost it and there's something wrong on that We've somewhat lost access to the bathroom there unless we Attend a class or the meal in uh, loudon elson people who use the park. I believe it's a city park loudon elson City people I think own loudon elson And I think you really should look into the access Of the bathroom in loudon elson beyond just who is attending a class or the meal. Thank you very much Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please Hi, my name is Evelyn Romero, and I'm a case manager with central coast center for independent living and Cecil is the only or aka Cecil Cecil is the only agency providing services for people with disabilities regardless of the type of disability The age immigration status status or social economic status and community Funding helps Cecil continue serving the most vulnerable populations addressing their needs and In order for them to live healthy independent lives and I just want you to take that into consideration when When you think about Cutting back funding for community programs Because I mean The smallest things that we do make the biggest impact on This particular population Thank you for your time. Thank you Okay, I'm sir before you begin. I just want to do a call out Is there any member that's here that hasn't spoken already that would like to speak during this public comment period? Anyone Please go ahead My name is nicolas whitehead I've been a 50 year resident of santa criss county My great mother hilda whitehead was on the board of quite a lot of organizations like gray bears She was a pounder of gray bears The ywca habitat for humanity. So I come from a real social conscience I find the the process by which the budget is decided here by city To be rather unseemly and very painful It's not right to have community organizations have to come to you begging begging. That's what I see. I've seen it for years Um You you are carrying out your responsibility, but you're doing it within that framework You know, there's a national movement called Participational budgeting which encourages more community involvement and I would suggest in future you encourage the community The citizenry not just the organization the citizenry to form Panels to advise you on on different sectors and to To have a fully open democratic system You know the county does this the county does a little more in democratic than this process. Thank you Thank you, sir Any other member of the public that would like to speak? Anyone okay, we're going to turn it back to the council And right now we're at the point where there might have been some questions still But we're at the portion now that's a city council discussion and direction from june 12 2018 budget So I i'm looking forward to a lively discussion about our 260 million dollar budget just to give you a sense of the items that we're going to be talking about but I Before folks from community programs that are here leave the room. I wanted to just make the statement that i'm Not going to be willing to support any budget that cuts community programs This year. We just passed measure s this morning. I found out I couldn't stay up late enough We have all kinds of ways one so the 200 000 dollars that was uh that figure that's been Bandied about here today That's one executive management position For the city of santa cruz. It is not going to be that hard for us to figure out how to find 200 000 dollars in this budget It is my that is my primary priority. I cannot support A budget that doesn't that makes those cuts So I just wanted to make that clear from the start. I appreciate the time that you all have spent coming out and Mr. Whitehead your point about asking you know asking people to come out and beg for money is Is I I just don't feel comfortable with it, but at the same time Here you are. So thank you for being here and let's find the money And I have other things I want to say But I just wanted to say that because I know some of you are gonna have to leave probably before the discussion ends Well, we've got plenty time to discuss and I also wanted to make sure people knew that there was if there questions There are hold-up holdovers from the presentations and I just wanted to mention to mr. Whitehead We did do outreach in terms of focus group and public meetings And I hope to see more of that in the coming year. So I appreciated your comments I wanted to see if any I have some a couple questions that are holdover from this morning. Does anyone else No, uh council member crown. Okay. I'm just mine was to ed and I was going to just ask a few questions from the budget um And that that was really first of all, there was a in the estimated actual budget. There was increases in regards to some of our activities that were related to Amounts of services and supplies and I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about it It was a pretty significant increase and I wanted to know, you know, what are some of the things that that increase was it was about There's a 3.7 million line item for a mountain services and supplies Good afternoon mayor and council members Bonnie Lipscomb director of economic development So one of the larger larger differences is is just the fact if it's you were actually comparing between the different parts of the budget between the adopted budget and the estimated actual and so I just wanted to to clarify that so we're not really comparing apples to apples because we typically do have salary savings and other things in our budget But one of the main things that was in our amended budget. We typically have project carry forwards Those don't get included in the initial budget. So those are for ongoing projects studies other things that are in the budget The big um difference that's you know over Six million is actually the acquisition of metro. Um, that's in the budget that wasn't originally in um the Uh adopted budget that we have that's included and so when you look at the capital outlay of 6.3 million that includes the acquisition of The nyak building downtown for the metro project as well as from our former redevelopment bond funds The funding that went towards that council approved at the last budget towards imbep for the affordable housing trust You know revolving loan fund And then um, we were I was just curious on this I asked about the use of the enterprise fund um for like billy now And I was wondering based on some of the planning work where there's you know fees associated with some of the activities that are there Some of the work in the economic development deals with you know business You know we do business retention But you also have grants to help make facade improvements and other things Are there ways that some of that work um could be billed like the staff time on that build to Planning based on some of the fees that might be associated with someone's project I think we would have to look specifically at um, you know across the other departments and any of them are not general fund Because some of the other funds are also rolled up into the general fund I think an area where there is some potential that's not general fund Could potentially be um in the future for some of our property asset management property lease Areas where some of those Areas go in we do We do a pretty good job of charging particularly for staffing on non general fund side So for example we charge and get credits to the general fund for activities on affordable housing The former redevelopment agency um from revenues related to affordable housing and Sort of across the board and also from grants and other loans and services Okay, thanks Another major expenditure that we have in here are some carry forwards In the actual when you look at the amended budget that um one of the reasons it's also high So high is because it has the carry forwards for projects related to HUD and cdbg That don't get fully spent in one year They get carried forward into the amended budget and it makes the budget a lot higher So we had some carry forwards on um the teen center some of the other projects And um also on the water street project that gets carried forward and added to the budget after the budget is adopted Okay, and then um, I just want to also compliment the ed department in terms of we saw a stat regarding the graffiti abatement program We also in the just summary. There was a lot of description about the arts program I was out at ebb and flow this weekend and I know that was a partnership with the city and economic development staff was there Um, I just um think it's uh really strong that we have that really that connection with um not only the business community But also looking at how ways new ways where we can kind of improve like the the look of our city in terms of maintenance and activities So I'd like to just ask that as we start to um, you know get reports back on ed I know we have that infrastructure committee that is going to meet again But thinking about you know where those priorities are so that as we look at those programs Are we looking at spending the money in ways that are going to help Make our downtown more vibrant help to increase our maintenance and really have a prioritization of what are the things that Are going to be best for the the local businesses to prosper here because it's It's one where I know we've heard a lot about the ranger program and other things where I mean, I in my opinion our full council is very focused on making sure that we're Working actively to to make the downtown a vibrant place and it's good if we talk about that a little bit more about What are some of the action items that we're doing to make sure that that's the case? Great and I will say those are efforts that are across, you know city-wide So even ebb and flow touch pretty much every department So it's definitely a whole city team effort And I will say right now we're working pretty We're working very actively with both parks and rec and public works on some different Beautification initiatives particularly in the downtown I mean one of the things that you know, I noted is that you know The budget in the ed department with all those programs is almost like the size of the planning department And so when we think about the scale about hearing about what's going on in economic development department And what the outcomes are is really important because it is I mean, it's a big part of our budget when we look at the actual Dollars that are that are allocated there right and that also includes a lot of our property management asset management Activities as well as as some of our major programs including facade improvement and some of the other other programs and projects that we have Thanks, are there any other questions? Yeah, just a couple on 5610 5650 the Low and moderate housing production and property acquisition. I'm just wondering could you explain what's going on in those those two funds? Sure in 5610 The 5800 you see is actually the budget expenditure from our former rda housing bonds that goes towards the nyac project And combined also with the imbep monoray bay economic partnership Contribution to their affordable housing trust fund. So you see that in amended budget year 2018 and the estimated actual because we actually did purchase those and and Appropriate that funny to imbep and then in fiscal year 2019. This shows as an expenditure that's 345 000 but just to explain that what that actually is is our rent from nyac And so that's the rent the lease back that we negotiated with nyac is 345 000 a year and it goes into a project fund that we have Developed for the metro building for the metro development project So we're getting that money back and we budget it into a special account for that project So that's 5610 and then you're 5650 this the 100 low and moderate housing production So that includes Funding that we get that we budget looking specifically on the difference. Some of that is budgeted specifically on when we get in lu fees coming in and so we put that especially in an account But it's a you know, some of that comes forward some of that is going towards water street project But they're pretty small Amount numbers we're actually going to be doing a report to council Coming up in august that has a sort of a full Look at the last few years of expenditures both from our affordable housing trust fund are in lu fees and the projects I was go they're going towards and how we Project those expenditures because we can budget we're usually fairly conservative on that because it's based on Project money coming in from projects and even though we think they're going to come in for example See by breakers we budgeted that for like six years in a row before That project finally went forward and we did receive some of those in lu fees So we're typically pretty conservative on what we budget versus what actually comes in so we don't overstate it Could you include when you get back to the council the way that an in lu fee is calculated because I've never really Understood that the other question I have is about the affordable housing trust fund on the Edis page 17 How does this money get in here where is it from This one that one actually is the in that line item is in lu. So that's what I was referencing Where we budgeted 11,000 and the estimated actual for that same year ended up being 337 because Project went forward and they filed and they actually then paid their in lu fees So how is that different than the low and moderate housing production or is a similar Yeah, one the set page 17 is the resources for the funding coming in and then the previous page is how we propose to Spend the funding coming in so one is being posted then to the account. Thank you Any questions I had one final one. I didn't know if you saw the management partners Survey about the business Licensed tax that was something that was there Whether or not you want to comment now or just ask people do you have any opinion about whether or not that could be something maybe help support some of the You know activities that are going on in the economic development department or is the The the the cons outweigh the pros. Yeah, I That's a tough one. I mean, I I think the overall funding that would come in from an increase is probably not Substantial but I would like to look a little more closely at that But I do think particularly in the downtown, but for some of our businesses It's it's a high cost of doing business in Santa Cruz for businesses And so I think one of the reasons that hasn't been increased before is because it is difficult to do to do business here Um, particularly just if you're looking in the downtown, we do have a number of assessments We have, you know two assessments to property based improvement cestric districts a business improvement district You know, we also have the parking deficiency fees We have a number of assessments and fees on businesses if they're going to actually have A presence in our downtown So when you look at our commercial corridors and where you see predominantly a lot of our businesses I I it does make me pause before Um suggesting that we that we've raised those right now. I'd like to look at it a little more closely Great. Thanks That's a little crumb. I just have two more questions. One was about the uh the parking garage at locust street I'm just wondering what would it take to To be able to sell parking Residential parking passes after five o'clock because I've heard from many people they cannot get to that window before five o'clock and subsequently have gotten tickets after the new year and It's just really hard for people during working hours and I'm I see somebody sitting in that garage Don't understand why they can't just sell you a part residential parking pass because they're there They're usually reading a book Mayor and council members marlon granham parking program manager that position after five o'clock would have to be upgraded to a parking office Representative, there's a different different type of business that goes. There's two different businesses that are at the locust garage There's a parking office that's open monday through friday from 10 a.m To 5 p.m And they do all the citation processing and all the residential permits and all the permits for our Other surface lots and then there's the parking attendant program which is that fourth window that's open From from 5 p.m. Until closing and on the weekends. So the attendant program is just for the locust garage I know what's entailed to have that person just reach under the desk pull out the Permit sell you the permit for 25 dollars. It doesn't seem like a huge it's a higher Proficiency person in that position So we would need to hire a different person to do that work because they work on a different software And they also have to look up residency and everything else So it's it's a totally different type of position than just a parking attendant You might not know now, but maybe get back to me What's the difference in the cost of what it would take to get that person who's proficient in selling the parking pass person to person Five to seven dollars an hour And the person is there from five to what time? Depending upon the time of the time of year and the and the date They're there from 5 a.m. Until until 11 p.m. Or until midnight. Thanks Hey, thank you Last question is um We've heard a lot from folks about loud Nelson bathrooms, and I'm also here, you know We've gotten emails and it's been in the newspaper. I'm just wondering what it will take to um What would it take to get that loud Nelson bathrooms open as it was before Uh, are we just having a cooling off period or do we plan on keeping them closed to the general public who don't have classes Or don't have something to do with loud Nelson Um carol scourge um interim parks and recreation director I would like to hope that um at some point in time that we can um Right now I unlock the restrooms the the restrooms are not closed. It's just that they're locked and um So i'm hoping that that's a possibility But we've dealt with this issue unfortunately a couple of times over the last 10 years in where um We feel that we've gotten to a point where our restrooms are unsafe Even the amount of time and effort that we put into it the rangers and staff And for the protection of our children our our seniors and the people in general that are using the facility It's really has gotten very challenging And I would hope that we would get in a situation that we could reverse that but we'll just have to wait and see Do you see anything like on the horizon like what what would change that? I think what would change it is people being respectful when they go into the restrooms. I mean, I just think it's I find it hard to believe but unfortunately it's a it's a terrible reality is that People go into the restrooms and I don't need to go into details. I think you can understand But it's it has gotten to a point where it just It's it's not something that we feel comfortable With our people in our community center using the restrooms People unfortunately it looks like they're watching staff They're seeing when staff are going and going down the hall to deal with something else and know to slip in They're hiding their faces from the camera. They kind of know the system and we just It it we were having full-time attendants walking people down there And it was just getting too challenging to keep the the center going and working with other Groups that are there and servicing them and making sure that they have all the equipment supplies that they need And so we just felt like we needed to put locks on the restrooms. It will have a key pad. They went in I think they got installed today And our hope that maybe eventually we'll get to where we don't have to use those key pads Thank you We have a new line item in our budget The cost of getting people to be respectful Where do we put that There's definitely an impact it stretches across the entire budget So I would say um, yeah, you can you can you can point out and speak for yourself on that one Um, you know, I want to just say one thing because we heard this during the um, just the presentation There was a lot of um discussion about, you know, especially meals on wheels Councilmember brown and I had a chance to go out there during the year and kind of meet some of the people that spoke We were out there and saw You know, we've seen at the state level there's some budget that's being released for um homeless programs And I wonder is there any review that's going on about looking at what kind of costs can be Reimbursed or that we can use to supplement our budget to address some of these real challenges that that we're seeing here Because obviously, you know, there's there's a limitation on on available funds But if we're seeing at the state level some funds being released to Address these these real needs. Um, what are we doing to kind of look beyond just what we have on in front of us to To maybe supplement and to support some of these Some of these express needs that we just heard And I have an add-on to that question specifically if I could Related to that Meals on wheels and some of the other programs are Core funded which means they have funding from both the city and the county and to the extent There's the countywide homeless coordinating committee Maybe that would be the entity to look for additional funding support for some of these programs. That's all I wanted to add I know I asked earlier about like our our city expenditures for the Emergency shelter that was set up and some of the planning work there So I just thought if you know, this is an add-on really to that to see Where there might be reimbursement to the city for some of these and even to augment what we what we already have Um, well as uh, as marcus mentioned earlier, uh, the state that unlike the city is facing, uh Surpluses and so they're having more of a debate about how to spend the surplus There and obviously some of the things that have come up are some of the major sort of social issues that are affecting the state Homelessness is a major one And there's a lot of conversations going on about How to allocate funding and we're keeping a close eye on that together with Uh, the county and in the league of california cities To try to at least maximize the ability to be able to access those funds For example, just keeping a close eye on how what the formula is for distributing those funds because a lot of times Only if it's based on population we tend to to get a small portion of that But if it's based on need, you know, perhaps it might be we might be in a better position to access some of those funds So to the extent that we can do that I also know that the the various nonprofits and in their In their advocacy capacity too are also, you know lobbying and working at the state level to try to Also make some changes and improvements there On that front to access some of those surplus funds for some of these needs that have been Appointed out today Did you have it London Nelson if just in case bruce bratton is listening in bathrooms Can if I could we could circle back around so I mean, I think it's um, this is and I and I absolutely understand that they're serious Safety health and safety challenges with the bathrooms being open, but at the same time I wonder if we could get some kind of report back About the revenues that we're losing from room rentals because they're I mean, I've had quite a few organizations say they're Maybe not gonna continue to use the the center Because it's so hard to access a restroom and I so I have no I mean I have no idea what that might look like financially for the city But it's just something we're thinking about getting some kind of report on Within, I don't know, you know six months out How are we doing? Something like that, um would be really helpful Okay, yeah, I think we can we'll look into that and we'll follow up offline in regards to that councilmember noroyan Have we ever looked into the possibility of pricing out how much it would cost to have a bathroom attendant? What that position would look like? I mean, I know, you know We're at a time where we're talking about having to cut all these cut the departments by five percent But it would be nice to just have that figure because You know, I do think we need bathrooms to be open. I understand though Why we would go to a keypad you can't keep spending thousands of dollars on vandalism and cleaning up I've heard some of the horrific conditions Or allowing It to be a place for illegal activity to take place especially when you have minors using these restrooms from the teen center So I I understand why you're doing what you're doing But I have always been interested in looking at different solutions to keep our bathrooms open and I think that might be one of them Okay councilmember chase So, um, this is actually a question for the city manager and we had at one point discussed that as being part of the downtown streets team Scope of work and so I'm wondering what the status is of that um the Most recent conversations at least that I've that have had with them are You know, they were they had a period of time that they needed to gear up and to sort of get going and to get their basic level of Work in place And I don't think we've had more recent discussions about this in particular They are looking at expanding I think they have seen a lot of demand for in sort of the core function that they provide that Both here in the city and elsewhere and I believe they've been focusing on that But we could approach them again now to see where they're ready I think they just been so focused on doing the work that they're doing and we really haven't Come back around to discussing this item. I know that I'm interested And I think others are probably interested too in exploring that now I know the discussion was really focused on the downtown But just starting the discussion with them and saying we're really ready to see what they're at That can be successful. I think would be good. We're happy to do that I was just going to echo that and I think that that's a great way to have a creative solution to help meet the need I have a different sort of question that I wanted to ask I think maybe Susie who is here and asked you during the break a little bit about One of the things that we heard was a shift in services that were provided by first alarm here after where there were policy shifts And not necessarily the need and it brought up a question that I had and I forgot to mention earlier in terms of one of the Police department schools to really look at how we're being able to come up with more creative and expansive services for You know mental health and substance abuse and I know that there's partnerships in place in terms of I think that was the myrrh and I I don't know the name specifically, but I'm curious how those partnerships are working Are there opportunities for us to See how we can support More partnerships to help meet the needs of law enforcement and the community in terms of the mental health and substance abuse Or speak to how that relationship is going at this time Um, I don't know if anybody here can Just as a follow-up because I was just going to Comment on that one. These are the direct purchases we're making. I would murder is a separate program Entirely county operated, you know So that's but but I mean I think are you referring to funding for the the direct purchases of services that we have in our budget For the county, I think Well, I'm just trying I'm trying to see how we are evolving to meet the community needs Appropriately and I apologize if I used the wrong program name. I don't know. I'm not as familiar with the the programs Um, and I know there's partnerships in place But I'm wondering in terms of support from the council How can we stay abreast of that and how can we be responsive to help or if it's already working and how can we we know about that Essentially, and I think I mean, I don't know. I appreciate you being here Answering the question. So I am deputy chief Dan Filippo of the police department You are having me here today So there's a couple questions Are you asking about the the funding and the service provided by first alarm and how we can argument that as a police department? But then also there's a question of the mental health the azons and how we Have now expanded that to a seven day a week program divide provide coverage and that's partly in partnership with the county and then some of the Funding and then the referrals that we make to hope and So there's there's a multitude of questions. I'm trying to figure out how do I best answer the question for you I apologize for being not so clear I think what made me think of the question was the original comment around shifting needs based on the outcomes that we saw here for The shift in policy around the first alarm needs and that kind of spurred the converse the concept for me So I apologize for that. We don't need to go there One of the things that I was talking to Susie a little bit during the break was just how and I was looking through your Goals is how are we evolving to also Or how first of all, how are we functioning in terms of our partnerships for mental health liaisons? And how are we evolving our services if there is more of a need there? And how as we as a council can understand those needs to support you essentially So it could be functioning and it could be fine And I'm and I'm just wondering if that's the case or if there's more that that needs to be done Is that something we can know about I believe with the mental health liaisons that it is a very successful and very functioning I mean they're using we're using Both of our mental health liaisons daily to help provide But there is a limit to the coverage since there's just the two, you know So when she start getting into the late evening hours That that resource is no longer available and it resorts back to Our traditional response But being able to have an impact on continual Calls of service to a same individual or to be able to make direct referrals We wouldn't be able to do that. We weren't able to do that prior to having this program So as far as the funding that's continuing to work some of you know, a lot of it is with our liaisons funded by the county So we're continuing to have to work with them to to continue trying to expand that program Yeah, I can I can add a little bit to that. So in general, I would say that the the concerns and interest in trying to address some of the mental health Issues that we face particularly in downtown because I think there's a general consensus that that the incidences are Increasing and it's it's becoming a bigger problem and concern overall And so I think because of that the certainly the county is Has been paying more attention to Potentially how to address this and so there have been a number of things that have been happening Meaning like the redesign of the PAC and HOPE's program and you know Tina could probably provide more information on that too But the other thing too is they're also looking seriously at how to potentially expand programs We recently were invited to a meeting with the sheriff and and the health department and CAO's office to talk about the potentially expanding a program where they Would focus on trying to Monitor and assist particularly those Those individuals that have a high level of potential Problems or violence. We've had some you know some major sort of incidences and so the idea is how do we particularly for those that are you know, potentially could be Violent or could have these sort of major Incidences, how do we track those and how do we monitor those individuals? So there's certainly an interest in doing that and as I understand that they're looking at Potentially funding that is a one-time measure in their proposed budget That they'll be reviewing during their budget hearings and then potentially They're looking at also. I believe it had a Potential revenue measure and then that would help hopefully help fund that on an ongoing basis as well So in general, I would say that there there is a sort of level of interest in expanding services and addressing to the growing problem Thank you. Thank you for that Council member matthews Just on that topic. So the city general fund support for the mental health liaison program Is doubled in this fiscal year It's on this This was an attachment of the community services And I don't think it was in the budget, but it was sent it was an email that I sent separately that Had a table that outlined the uh, the core programs as well as the other programs that are funded It's it's in that table. Yeah, so if you could print out of that just get handed that we can get that for you Basically if you look on page cm 6 in the city manager's budget There's a listing for community programs and that's our traditional community programs grants and then right below that There's a listing for community programs and services And that's for the whole package of other social service community program expenditures, which includes A whole long list of things including the mental health liaison the downtown outreach worker A lot of homeless coordinating programs. I got yeah And this chart compares one year to the next That makes sense to me because it was I didn't see it in the budget for the police department Thank you, but and it wasn't even specified In the budget that we got so This tells all the things These are all the things here that are in the community programs and services the second line And then down below is just one line item for core. Okay Thank you I'm I'm looking at this and I'm thinking this would be a good chart to either put up on the screen So folks um, who are in the gallery could see Or if there's if there's copies to pass out because oh i'm getting a head nod that there's copies to pass out Yeah And just as background to one of the questions that's supposed it's going to come back at the the june 12th budget hearing we we did a peer review of different cities in regards to um expenditures for County programs and services and so we we've asked how many cities actually directly purchase services from the county And so we're going to get that one response We've had one response so far Um, and we're going to get a few more But the one response we did is that they they do not um purchase directly purchase that's moment crown um That'd be chief flipo. I'm just wondering um Is this going to then help pick up some of that slack at night or no? This is just two people during the day. There's there's still a need maybe at night when you you said that Potentially, yes, and it's also finding the individual In a healthy is on worker. That's comfortable working out at night Obviously because of some concerns safety concerns, but I mean we are going to continue with the program as it stands now the seven-day week Coverage, but as far as expanding it. Yeah, we are we are where we're at right now Could you just say from your own knowledge if you could How this has made an effect and what what the effect is of having healthy is on workers? well One is you have somebody that is uh as much uh de-escalation and mental health awareness training as we can provide for our staff We have somebody that is uh, you know clinically certified to deal with people that are in mental health crisis that are there to help provide the uh any sort of um I can't see a lot of times when we're contacting somebody that's in crisis It usually is a frontline officer that's that's initially dealing with that person But then being able to use the mental health liaison as a resource to help Maybe uh, not necessarily step in but if if we're able to de-escalate verbally and get the person calm down Then the mental health liaison come forward and really uh help further Guide this person and and and make that uh judge the best judgment call out on the street The biggest impact I've seen over the life of the program is the fact that you have a direct referral Which you have direct contacts within the mental health system that as an officer You just don't have you know, I don't work for county mental health I don't have those same direct connections. I don't know everybody that's uh, necessarily working in the The behavioral health unit or the phf So having that being able to bridge all that gap and get those and then sometimes just Uh, it's a just a different set of decision making ability out there in the street somebody that's trained that can can help You know guide a conversation in the proper way that it needs to go to go that's uh has a greater expertise than than As the chiefs often said a 22 year old with with a badge and a gun that's got training But it's not a clinical mental health. You know somebody that can intervene in that manner. Thank you. That was very helpful Thank you So I just to follow up on because I think another piece of the question is That that you originally raised vice mayor Watkins is related to How we're spending our you know How much money do we spend on first alarm? So I guess maybe this is directed at Director Pimentel. Can you tell us how much money we spend on first alarm? and You know just thinking about just for purposes of you know future discussion thinking through Whether or not we might be able to prioritize Those funds in other ways in the future for mental health and additional mental health worker perhaps somebody at night rather than First alarm patrols. I mean I again, I'm just asking the question for purposes of discussion. How much do we spend on first alarm? We're turning towards five hundred sixty thousand this year. It's I mean really city-wide it goes from you know kind of water Luckloman protection out out way out to parking garages to ocean street to harvey west to downtown to war yes, so they're they're kind of They're sprinkled all over Vice mayor Watkins, I know Thank you for the follow-up and I think one of the things that When earlier one of the things that I mentioned was just how can we understand what we're getting for our money and being really thoughtful about our investments And are we better off because of it? And I think those bigger questions can guide a lot of different outcomes and the support that you described from the mental health Liaisons I can only imagine what kind of relief that provides not only to the officers But also to the person in crisis and the community So I think we really just want to be mindful about how we know and what we're doing and how we're spending the dollars Especially as we're seeing fiscal challenges coming up and how we best supporting the community and our departments that way And I think that is a a very specific example that was brought up as an evolutionary kind of process that took place based on need but I think we can continually look at that in that way based on evidence also so I think um I would like to sort of track that and support the officers and the community in that way and And monitor how we are being really effective in the state in the public safety of our community for for everybody's needs So thank you for that and that was just my only follow-up great. Well, I know that there's going to be More discussion. I just think it's good to kind of put some actual concrete things on the floor So we move things forward and If you want to go well, I have This is not the hearing itself But do you want to motion to put the general Budget on the floor for the purpose of discussion and then make amendments. Yeah, that's what I was thinking we would do I asked Bonnie to we have something we'll put up and this is just a start because I knew we're going to have questions Typically how we proceed and I just want to make sure that we continue to follow that path forward with a big picture Yeah So these were two. I mean there was some earlier discussion today about the past budget work and having make sure we have a process that Provides a more participatory framework and budget engagement engagement process for The coming year that's the kind of the main motion the front just as we kind of keep Track of that and then also in regards to that there was comments about looking at the Issue of the the harvey west park area and pool making sure that we have Some Measurement of like looking at how we can kind of continue on investment in the harvey west pool And I and I did not put in there about a motion to have the The budget adopted, but that is the main motion But marcus is going to have a excel chart that he can bring up in terms of if there's specific things We want to talk about but in general we're approving that the entire budget a balanced budget We want to make sure that we kind of keep that in sight as we have our discussion In terms of specific things you want to bring up now, so councilmember matthews. Well, I would say Uh, that's the main motion is to recommend the adoption Preparation for adoption of the budget that's been prepared and that'll be the motion. I can go on the top That should be the big part. That's right. And then these are really I don't even necessarily have a budget it was it was it was it was written out in the top of that one, but we that's the uh We it's it that's captured, right? Yeah, that's right. It was so we have that We're going to put it out. We're going to type that out right now. Okay So this would be part of the main motion. It would it would be the main motion No, I think it's just it's uh different document there, okay We're not voting on this today, right? We're giving direction because it it comes back on the 12th for adoption. Yeah So at this point we give direction on any changes Correct, and then yeah, I mean, I think what we'd like to see is motion. So we have clear direction, you know up or down what goes because Literally, it's tonight and then tomorrow the packet goes out. Um, so As clear as could be would help us So the motion would be to direct staff to prepare um A budget for final adoption As presented to us today That would be the initial motion And then we would have amendments and then you guys would go scurry around tonight, right? I'll second that motion To the motions on the floor And then also I want those other two pieces Are part of that motion May I When one of the things that I'd like to see if we could accelerate the timeline for understanding the fiscal impact To October or something for the harby west pool I was going to say september but Understand Oh, that's I'm that's not part of my motion. My motion is just to put the main one on Oh, you're not taking on this. You're not there's other two pieces I'll tell you why I think the whole Interest in the harby west pool that should go back to the parks and rec commission. We have a parks and rec master plan I mean, this is taking one item It's of interest to the public, but it's throwing it ahead of Whatever else is out there and I this again gets back to what's the work? What load we're expected what preamps what so I'm quite happy to say that we refer this back to consideration to the parks and rec in the context of the parks and rec master plan, but I don't see jumping ahead with this frankly We we go to so much work And you all know what work went into the parks and rec master plan with consultants and community feedback in a year and hearings blah blah blah Let's do this Marcus, do you have that excel Charter because we have a motion the second on the floor for the proposed fiscal year 2019 budget And I think if there's specific things that right now people are Interested in let's do that to kind of talk about what those are in terms of if there's movement and those two we can come back to you Oh, okay, okay We'll get the motion in the second by motion by council member math you second by myself For this hole for the top just the first one motion to approve the proposed fiscal year 2019 budget In regard to the second point that was there which I think came from you david establishing an ad hoc committee How much time does the current ad hoc budget committee have to run it's six months? Yeah, I think we've got in we're going to finish up in august um To my mind you You could make some recommendations for the future As you you've gone through it You had an experience. So I would say wrap up your ad hoc committee with that With the recommendations. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. We were talking about doing policy I just think that it's the one piece about this that I think is important to get the council to weigh in And it was something that we heard from the focus groups is the measurements for financial outcomes and performance That's part of you know, the the next year's budget review that we're looking at not just The budget but have a little bit more detail in terms of you know What are what are the outcomes that were that are linked to those? To the budgets and I think that's something that we can recommend when it comes back in august And I think that's That's perfectly fine, but I just know that that'll be coming I would say just delete that and incorporate that it's really the conclusion I mean, I'm we'll consider it But I think right now we're just on the main motion that you suggested and that's the motion to approve the proposed budget So that's that what's on the table right now. Yeah, okay. So let's go to the excel chart Okay, so now we have the entire budget and I don't know for those of you that were with us last year We have this same kind of line item But there are specific things that are in the budget that one you want to talk about now And there were two different charts that we used one was just the main budget and then also there was a second section that was dealing with the Some of the core and community programs we had that as a separate If you want to just we could start talking about specifics Is there something that's concerning or you want to have brought up now? Please do I'm going to bring up this question because we heard a lot of people that were speaking now from the public in regards to some of the programs that were Maybe impacted by this budget many of them were youth programs And I'll I'll mention it to martin when we come back We set up a cannabis fund for youth programs And it seems to me that some of those programs would be eligible for those funds that have already been included in our budget Is that the case? Yes, and the council designated from january 1st 1% of the 8% cannabis would be used for Yeah, 1% so I mean those are those are funds that are that are there is there and would that be One way to kind of address some of those Shortfalls about 45 000 projected So So I mean I think so what I'm when I mentioned was using some of the cannabis funds to address the youth programs that have been suggested that need funding That's what the council directed us to look at and I just wanted to kind of have that discussion if this is a appropriate use So would the would the recommendation be to develop a process for application for the 1% youth oriented funds resulting from the cannabis I I put I have a motion that that we could look at just in regards to that But I think it's maybe at this point you have Some specifics that we want to put out there that people are interested in the funding but if you know in terms of specific changes they want to see in the budget or Questions that they're still remaining. I do have a motion in regards to the you know potential to use those funds to address at least the youth programs so However, you however, everybody feels they want to proceed if there's specific things other than they Than the core questions that have been discussed We can we can start with those or we can go right in and get something on the table for the core issues Well, I'm just going to put my position out there right now We have gone through a really challenging process internally and with the community of dealing with a um multi-year fiscal crisis and Part of our response was to put a quarter cent to sacks tax increase before the voters Fortunately, they approved it And we told them in putting that before them that that was not the entire solution That was going to be a part of it that we were going to um adopt As we had last year, we were going to adopt this year some Economies in our own operations and we would have to do that in the future years as well this was a multi-year approach to fiscal stability for The city and I feel very strongly Every single department and I know you all got that but every single department made cuts and we have a Document here it goes on for I don't know six pages What every single department did took out that they really wanted to do it was important the public wanted it It would contribute to public service. Etc. Etc. Etc. They all made cuts And we said as we entered this budget process that those cuts would be reflected in the core program as well I think we have to do that. I think that's part of what was put out to the community And um, I know it's not pleasant. It's a small percentage But um, that's that's where I'm going to come down on this issue I think we made a pledge to the community. This is going to be a shared long-term approach I think you know what I'm going to do is before so we're not I'd rather just I just put my card Yeah, you know I hear that so I mean I maybe we'll do this I'll go I'll start maybe with you chris if you want so that and then we could just kind of list anything in there And we can kind of go across are there anything that you'd like to see revised in this particular budget that we want to put down on On the screen for deliberation love to talk about the five percent increase in council pay and it's been a long time incoming and it's a very difficult for folks to be able to uh run for counsel and and maintain themselves with the kind of compensation that's given right now and I think that it's Encumbered on us to take these increases when we can because for future council members. Okay anything else Okay, council member matthews. Okay council member chase. Okay. You're there no changes. Okay But I'll go I'll start over here council member brown $200,000 for community programs I think I've made myself pretty clear about where I'm at on that one $200,000 for community programs reinstated Okay, that was a question that um council member norion brought up earlier was the actual reduction 200,000 In terms of the proposal I'm going to ask because I think this was out of the city manager's office. Yeah, Tina's going to go over it Okay, she's got some charts to show you Thanks Just want to make sure you all have that So the table before you just to walk you through this briefly talks about what was in the city manager's budget under the community programs line item and um There's just one line item because it's kind of rolled up to describe That the core grant process, but there's actually three different categories within that That was part of your deliberate discussions in the budget hearings last year The first line and you can see that the columns are category description fy 18 funding fy 19 proposed Are there extras actually bonnie? Are there extras because I could hand them out there there's some extras Core is just kind of the base amount then there was set aside and then transitional So the core was they that was amount of money and through this deliberate rfp process that was over a year in the making Thank you very much was over a year in the making where the city and the county looked at I think seven or eight strategic plans across a county focusing on social services and health and human services needs And within those strategic plans they identified what are areas where if we could see movement It'd be most valuable so from that this entire process was born where there was a shifting in a realignment with strategic goals Outcomes from the experts who created the plans and then there was an entire rfp process and an expert rating panel And you had all this process presented to you So those proposed awards are what's in that top line core In addition to that there was talk that Not every need might be captured in one of those strategic plans You know there could be emerging needs or there could be one-time needs or things that are not anticipated So there's talk of maybe having a set aside program and having it be an ongoing set aside program of some size It was always talked about 40 or 50 thousand dollars On a one-year basis and so that's the first two line items And then the last one is when your council is discussing the budget You heard a lot of public comment comment from programs around we're now shifting from the old paradigm to this new core We could use assistance with transition and so there was very deliberate discussion around transitional funding for one year And so I broke that up so you can just see because we are talking about core But they are three separate buckets the basic core grants which are three years that top line Are you know three years the application cycle falls every three years the set aside Which could be an annual process and then this transitional so you can see the 2018 funding the 2019 proposed and for the transitional we zeroed that because it's supposed to be really one-year bridge funding to help Help programs move into the new core system for set aside because already we're in a deficit position We weren't presuming to release money. So we program that at zero Then as has been discussed there was that five percent program commenced with the general fund realignment And you can see under notes that that dollar amount is 56,755. So you've said 50,000. That's about right So I hope that helps but that kind of outlines What comprises this? So I think we're you've you've already spoken and I think um councilmember norion did you want to Oh gosh. Oh my god. I was I can Be hearing numbers out. I would like to discuss the 20 000 dollars that's being proposed to um Take away from the park ranger program within the parks and rec department I would just like more information on that and what that means impact-wise. Okay What was that? That's reoccurring 20 000. Yep In the parks and recreation department how we came up with our cuts is we looked at every single activity and had staff come up With their recommendations and prior to shifting that money over to the police department We took a look at that and talked with the police department about cutting that area and we think that's where we had a little push We've had salary savings with temporaries in the past and felt like that was very doable We didn't feel like cutting permanent staff was was an option at all And so that's that's the area that we had a little bit of push there Oh Is this the time to discuss this in so what does that mean in a practical application like Is there a park or an open space or somewhere that's going to have less ranger service because of this? I don't think so because in the past we've had salary savings where we didn't end up using all those temporary hours And that's why staff made the recommendation there. So no, I don't think so Okay, because I still get reports from people That they don't enjoy our parks that there's still issues when they I know I hate hearing that too And that there are still issues um with some particular parks. And so, you know, it does worry me the idea that you know That we you know, there isn't a need and I I do think there's still there still is so That's why I look at this and I'm a little concerned I I understand completely it's on it's up there now. So we have it as a line item Okay, right If I can just add that our intention is to since we took over the majority of the full time and even the part-time rangers is to Continue the deployment throughout the city adding maintaining five rangers downtown And then dividing up the rest of the permanent and the part times throughout the different neighborhood policing team areas that we did They're they're focusing on the the parks that are particularly in those neighborhoods. So Our hope is that we continue the same service model Since we're taking over a majority of the park rangers Okay, thank you It's my walk ins um Okay, sorry. I just have a few like where do I start? First sorry carol. I'm sorry. I didn't catch you when you were already up here to make you come back up for us Um, I appreciated our conversation in terms of what could potentially be done I know that one of the benefits of having such a thorough finance department and budget document is we get to see all the different kind of components and one of the Funding sources that I saw in index page 54 is a million dollars for Types of funding that could support potentially capital And I know we talked about looking into that in a projected timeline just to understand what that might look like That would be reasonable could be potentially october for the harvey west pool Does that seem accurate for you or and in terms of the funding source? To look into that as an option If I think I understood your question Were you thinking about coming back to you with the recommendation in october? I think that's very doable I I think that that's something that we can analyze and look at and let you know What the what the costs would be if we did that and again We um, we could look at our our funding source that we have for our cip projects and look at that It's not on our list. It's not the pool is not even on our three-year list But we could absolutely um come back and take a look at that and see how we could um look at those funds and see if we could schedule in The the project that would help you have the pool be a little bit more fiscally are responsible with The electricity and the gas and and work with pop public works to do that. Thank you carol. Thank you So that's not going to need a line item, but I appreciate that So there's the language. We have some motion on the other page that we can get back to you councilmember And gave you yeah, I had one more item and I thought you were done. You were looking so but go ahead Also, um under the police budget, uh, there is a line that says reducing first alarm security to patrol specific areas Um now controlled by police and rangers. I just wanted to get clarification if that includes um Upper ocean street because I've heard from merchants and residents that The presence of first alarm has really improved Um, they're just their daily quality of life In that part of ocean street So if I if I can jump into that that is not a cut that's being that's in the budget actually it was it was a consideration Um, but it's not actually proposed recommended action So there is no change to first alarm other than the city hall Okay, I just wanted to have that pointed out. Thank you Okay, so I'd like to go just I know thank you for the handout that had the the core funding Do you have the the community programs and services that 1034 189? Is that the pact? Marcus if you know or someone in city managers at the pact in the most the um community programs and services I apologize. Could you repeat the question on the city manager department summary? There's a light on them where you have the two the community programs, which is The core area. Yes. And then the second one beneath that is community programs and services Exactly, right. It's this sheet too with the two columns. Yes. So this if you look at the the bottom line items for there It'll match up for 19 1,034,188 thousand dollars. This is the complete list The line item list for there So are any of these um programs that are here Things that we can obtain reimbursement for from any outside if we looked at it I know that over time they've kind of expanded as different programs come forward When we think about um, I know we've had discussions with the county about uh, you know different funding sources and you know State dollars that come forward for programs and it seems though the budget right now that Being proposed at the state does have surplus money to go towards homeless services and I've heard from One executive director of a non-profit community saying there is active lobbying That's going on with some of our state legislators about like how these funds are used Do you have any insight as far as are some of these things that we've been directly purchasing? Are they ones that we might be able to get reimbursement for to help decrease our expenses here? The The permanent legislation being considered is the state budget and as martin said earlier there are surpluses And in the governors may revise there were about 359 million dollars In one time monies that might be available to counties to continue them of care COCs in particular as well as um ongoing money on the order of about 30 million dollars Then there have also been assembly and senate versions. I think would have been increasing that amount. So, um There is some language about how that could be distributed, but it's not entirely clear yet But as martin said earlier, we think this could be based on some formula We would want that to be on the on the basis of need And looking at maybe a per capita basis because our homeless individuals per capita is is quite high As council members are aware. So that is an area where we absolutely want to be aggressive and work very closely with our COC because again, the money will be distributed through the cocs We won't be able to for my understanding be able to apply directly as a city But we want to work through cocs. So we've already started engaging in priority discussions Around how do we make sure that the city is very prominently in this conversation our needs? So it has not matured to the point where we would know if we could get any reimbursement for past expenditures. For instance Um, the money this council has spent this year on doing the river street camp if that be eligible or not Or it has to be prospective expenditures that I don't know But I think it's an excellent suggestion and something we certainly want to look at So to answer your question more specifically, I think areas where it could be ripe to Rather than reimbursement, but at least perhaps display spending would be with respect to phase two or the interim homeless facility If you look on the sheet toward the bottom, you'll see two line items that touch on that. You see the winter shelter currently at 171,048 and then the line right below that 100,000 So that's just a placeholder. That's just kind of an estimate for some funds Knowing that we are trying to work toward opening phase two at some point this year So that's so in total 271 thousand dollars is on the table, but it's as yet undesignated So should this money come through it would be our very great hopes that it would supplant this funding And then this would be then available for other general fund purposes Well, I'm just going to put put it out there since we don't know that answer We do have the $50,000 of undesignated funds for continuum I would say that I'd like to put out there as an offset to what's on the table now So that as a one time we take that $50,000 and put it in there to address what's been Suggested to date as that listing There's $50,000 it's undesignated funds For the continued implementation of the 2017 homeless coordinating committee recommendations To make up for the 5% cut is that we're saying to put yet to put to put on to put in this as a one time One time one time offset I'm just hey, if you're looking for money, that's Well, that's a false economy. We know Recommendations are going to be coming forward and that's that's what we've got in the budget to implement them These are undesignated. I don't know where I mean, we do have also the hygiene station That was part of those recommendations That came forward also the interim homeless facility phase two The downtown street teams, they're all you know, they were all part of the discussion we had on this I'm just suggesting and if you know people don't want to support that that's fine I just said let's at least we need to also Balance on both sides of the equation. It's not just a matter of putting new money out there There's got to be ways to to offset it and I'm just suggesting that's undesignated and I would support using it towards those offsets If it'd be helpful for a bit of history on this very briefly So last may when the council adopted the homelessness courting committee recommendations, there were 20 recommendations in there And more than half were short-term solutions to really help address the emergency homelessness needs and some were funded and You see the 30 000 hygiene services expansion is carried on and the lower line item But there are still some things that are undone. For instance Having charging stations across the city. That was one getting a storage program up and going You know, there was energy toward that but then that evolved into the river street camp And I know that there is community energy around that so there's currently no funding for that So it's absolutely, right. It's not designated but just to kind of some flavor of what that could possibly be used for Well, I mean I just so mark is I I'll put it there if and you will see, you know where that lands But that's 50 000 um credit and that's transferring it from that fund Councilor Brown so I was hoping to not go looking for money in the budget and just um find a way to Have our have staff come back to us and Help us figure out where that money might come from but since we're going there I'm just gonna say I have to say it within the city manager's budget We also could just not hire and I'm sorry Um City manager Bernal for saying this right now and assistant city manager a t-initial Do we need another assistant In the city manager's office or could we use that some of that money for some of these? costs Just just throwing it out there Go and make a motion. I mean let's yeah, okay. So I'll make the motion sure we know I'm gonna move The budget and that the money gets transferred From the exact the assistant to the city manager position to community programs. I'm just making the motion right now second Okay, um, well, we've got the motion over the the main motion is the um the adoption of the budget So if it's just on this narrow issue, I mean we'll take that now. We've got a motion and a second on the floor I'll just say I'm I won't support that Um, um, it's not something I feel it's it's not responsive to I think the needs to address Our community and I think it's what it's doing is taking Kind of city services and and not on a short side of the way kind of applying it without really thinking about what the impacts are So I won't be supporting the motion on the floor If I could just Just for a little bit of clarity because I think um, I'm a little bit confused in the process I know that we have a motion on the floor by Cynthia by councilmember Matthews seconded by you that's still on the floor That's right. We were going through the budget to see what changes are but now we've got this is a motion to add this change which would be to Defund the vacant position or to defund a proposed position the city manager's office And use those savings to apply towards Councilmember Brown's request for community program funding if I may before we move on that I appreciate the intention behind that and I agree with the concerns raised by Mayor trazos in terms of the process and I also appreciate your original attention of asking Our city staff and finance director to find the money essentially. I think we have an increase if I can tell from our revenues also of Approximately three million it looks as and maybe Marcus you can clarify But we're there's I think other areas to look Essentially in terms of making priorities and trade-offs, right? I mean, I think we understand that as well I in terms of the community programs conversation if I may at this time Um, I think that it's I completely understand all perspectives. I think it's been Very interesting for me coming in partially into the process knowing that there was a big shift happening in terms of how community programs were was um previously being Funds were being administered to this more collective impacts core process and and it's been um As it should be kind of hard and and um a little bit messy and so I appreciate the The reality of saying we're going to try to find bridges along the way and I appreciated that conversation last year I also appreciate the intention of really recognizing the importance of um Looking at need and looking at impact and looking at collective impact and how we can articulate um As best we can for some of the social services that it's really hard. I think in terms of um Evaluation and assessment, but it's important to start thinking in that way And I think that's also one of the components that I do really really appreciate So I am supportive of reinstating or finding somewhere in the budget I think we can easily find 56 thousand dollars to help with the core cuts. I'd also be open to um looking at a Set aside and I think the problem that I struggle with the community programs committee I'm sorry with the um Cannabis dollars for the children's fund and how that all sort of interconnects is because I think that's still emerging in terms of how the system will be Uncovered and so I think there's absolute potential for that and I don't want to sort of Um, you know encumber those dollars or sort of that process without kind of going through what I think originally was discussed at the previous beating Um, but I think that could go into conversation for the purposes of the budget. I think we could find uh Compromise I know it won't be the full 200 000 but potentially looking at Maybe doubling the set aside amount and not including the transitional dollars knowing that I think You know all the folks that were able to receive funding for the transition could easily use and apply for the set aside dollars as well And I think that's helpful for them to articulate the need as well as the impact. I think it will be really beneficial I agree. There's especially for the for the folks that we're talking about some of the data around Early childhood. There's there's absolute evidence that describes their critical need So my proposal would be to reinstate the five percent cut for the 56 755 dollars and then have the set aside be 90 000 and the transitional year was is is over so that could potentially be Those programs applying for the set aside So that would be what I would put on the table. You know, let me just say this that's you know, you um There's a there's a motion really right now just to deal with this narrow issue about whether to defund that position And there was a second and there's discussion on that and we can come back to the whole concept you were talking about at the funding, but I just want to kind of focus right now on this this issue where uh council member brown made a motion seconded by uh council member crone to defund a position to to apply towards the savings There's a motion in second. I don't support that I'm not sure why why wouldn't we do that with the 50 000 that you've just moved over to and and vote on that or Well, that's what's saying if you could put it in there. I mean she was a motion You're just putting it in there if you made it a motion I just thought you put it in there as a And I just want to ask a process question. I don't understand why this is a motion But the other things are on the list not as motion And we not can we withdraw the motion and go back to just withdraw the motion and have the conversation But council member matthew suggested to make the motion So I said, okay, I'll make the motion because I feel very strongly about this particular piece of the budget and however we Get there, you know, I'm I'm okay with withdrawing it if we can actually have the conversation about how we're going to find funding for community programs Well, um, maybe that's that's the question. Um, we've got these let's put let's make our list of um the individual changes And if you withdraw that motion you have we'll just put it out there Um, again, I just want to be clear. I do not support that And we'll have the continue to have the discussion. Okay, so withdraw that motion And we'll just list it out there as a placeholder Council member chase So then with the points that vice mayor Watkins just made would we then make amendments to this list based on your recommendations? I mean, I think it's just I I'm coming up sort of a look a bit of a compromise essentially A suggestion and knowing that There will be the I think that the challenge is that the community programs hasn't had an opportunity to really fully vet All the different potential policy suggestions for the council to consider So for the purposes of the budget planning today, I think we can um Potentially say we want to reinstate the five percent and then look at a set aside I think the set aside is essential for the times that we're in and the community needs that We as a city might not be able to meet but could support meeting for our residents Um, and knowing that um, there will be also the kind of overlap of the children's fund conversation at that time So to clarify to make sure you understand so you're saying Uh, so for the 56 755, which is the core five percent Reinstate that transitional was intended as one year funding So that's not in the budget But then the set aside was the loi stated it was intended as one year And I'm and knowing that we I think have a new process where it's every three years My hope is that since it's been sort of messy that we can sort of say that we're going to commit to the set aside being available And then revisit that process again after core comes up knowing it the people who didn't get to apply the first time Do you know what i'm saying? So I I'm okay because i'm trying to figure out then is the intention that that stays in there for another year Are we we're just approving it an additional year even though the intention was one year without an additional application process Oh, no, i'm i'm i'm i'm asking for an additional application process. Okay. Sorry. Thank you for it. Okay, so Are you done? I think so. Yes. I mean I the um, Generally we would have a community programs recommendation on this so we don't have one So it's a little bit messy in terms of how the the process is and I like to put out a um Something that just prepared in advance to see just on this issue to see if this is something that might be helpful to kind of Maybe set this aside so that we can have at least some direction on this piece of the core and then focus on the other items in the general general budget This is kind of a maybe a potential Council action we can take which is to accept the staff recommendation for core and set aside funding And direct that the community programs community consider an up to five percent increase in funding Plus the release of set aside letters of interest for a total of 45 000 at mid-year taking into consideration The overall budget forecast of the city that I think gives some space for The committee to kind of look at these things and come back with a consensus recommendation on how to address it I'm sorry. I've been rolling on your motion on my motion. Just a potential language a potential Suggest or suggestion on the potential motion. You would have to make it since the mayor can't make a motion I think that's the idea. Oh, right. Oh, I see. Okay Uh for clarification the when you say five percent increase you mean five percent increase from What's currently being proposed not a five percent increase on top of right? Okay, great That's all um and then 45 to come back to if the budget's looking good at mid-term It's pretty much what you're yeah, that's right. Exactly And so because I'm now completely confused on the process I would like to make this motion, but it doesn't seem like we're making motions now If we're not making motions, can I add this to the list of things that we'll go back and discuss You know, I think if we were able to move forward on this It allows to focus on the general budget and we could we could narrow the listing of Topics that we're covering. So this will have this would go back to community programs to look at I'd just like to hear from the community programs subcommittee if this is this is kind of direction point of order Councilmember Watkins made a motion and I don't know if this encompass your motion or is this something totally different You made a suggestion. I thought you were making a motion um I don't I mean I How I am breathe this is that you're taking it away and then you're thinking about reinstating it Accepting the recommendation and then allowing it to come back after your review You it's the you're on the community programs. Yes, it would be a restoration. I think Yes, it is well Which is which is this been this has been the formal process where before the community programs Committee would give us a recommendation on these. We haven't had that luxury for this budget go-around So that this motion is really adhering to that tradition And so um, I would like to move the motion um Without any any edit any um amendments Okay, and I'll second it for the purposes of discussion so we can move at least this piece forward, okay Is there any discussion on this I mean, I think I I guess I would ask staff for clarification on what that looks like for contracting partners in terms of Removal and then reinstating and I don't know what that looks like for budgeting for this year for their contracts Well, we'd likely would have to amend the contracts at mid-year once you made a decision So we'd have to issue the contracts the way But you can The contracts were written because again, it's a three-year funding process But still they do allow for changes every year because you have the ultimate budget authority and things can change And so it already allows for that. So I don't know mechanically what would happen in terms of the contract But we could deal with that but we would we helped generate the invoices for this as well So we would genera