leads the nation um if we're getting really close because i think it's more than 33 that's probably left but as our study shows that's what's left uh but we're getting really close what happens when we meet our goal and exceed our goal we become the city who is taking homelessness seriously and so although um we can't have the um the stigma of i want to help housing uh permanent housing but not in my neighborhood or not in my area or my constituent says this or it shouldn't be next to that there are certain areas where it shouldn't go but there are a lot more areas where it can go and so um that's why i'm glad we have two that are coming and we're trying to identify even more in the district to make that possible um and i want to go back to your first slide when you talked about chronic homelessness and number one i believe um you said that homeless longer than a year and disabled so these are not people who are committing crimes these are people who fell on hard times and i tell you uh 50 percent to 60 percent of the city of forward is a paycheck away from falling on hard times that is where we're living in and so our focus should be on how we can help and not how we condemn not saying that anybody's on here condemning i'm just giving my uh two cents uh into this matter and so thank you for all the work that you are doing and i hope and pray that others will come um and help the process okay i'll give you some closing remarks since everybody has had to say i'm the one who started the move to get our aggressive panhandling ordinance and it wasn't because of homeless people it was because of business people who knew that they could make a living off of panhandling uh back when i was at krld a study had been done and there was a panhandler at mockingbird and the freeway and the dallas morning news estimated him making 96 thousand dollars a year that was back then right and so the holy council person but you know it it's it's it's offensive when people connect homelessness to panhandling that's two very distinct personalities that play there we we worked on the panhandling ordinance kerry joined me kelly allon gray worked in kerry wanted to to buy them to ticket them and so kelly and i convinced him at least in the black church you know some people think it's their christian duty to give no matter who it is we couldn't go that far to ticket them and we knew that not gonna get any revenue from it and so i'm glad your studies show that they still come back but if if one thing this discussion can convey to the public is do not look at homelessness as a panhandling occupation two entirely different things and again terra thank you for the work you do uh the police have been handing out those brochures for years i think they're very very helpful if whoever is the npo for john t white where's chief back there they need to take some brochures to mama jena thank you for visiting her again she has stopped feeding the homeless i explained to her she can either be a business woman or a social service agency i think she chose her contract with will rogers to let that work for her so thank you terra and if i can find where i am on this agenda next thank you i i put it over here it is may you're coming back next week okay yeah okay let's see update on development we just did that wake up jena another presentation oh this is important though presentation on the 2022 2023 action plan for federally funded housing and community development programs uh dynamic duo victor turner and sharon berkeley daughter of my friends thank you mayor pro tam in council just to give you a little bit of context uh each year we have to submit an annual action plan to us department of housing urban development to continue receiving our federal funds as four programs that are listed uh community development block grant program the home investment partnerships program emergency solutions grant and the housing opportunities for persons with aids you just hear her terra talk a little bit about uh permanent supportive housing we utilize the home home investment partnership program uh to partially find new leaf so these programs fund a lot of different things park improvements uh infrastructure uh public service activities and the like uh it's part of this uh action plan uh every state and locality that gets uh entitlement of uh hud dollars have to do a five-year consolidated plan so we're into year five we'll be doing a new plan and it's part of a five-year plan you do an annual action plan to address the goals and objectives that were identified in a five-year plan so that's a little bit about why we do this every year and so we wanted to come to you all today uh to give you a preview of some of the things that are recommended in this year's action plan this goes before the community development council they've already seen it which includes representatives that you all have appointed to serve on that that council so here's a summary of of each program and the the dollar amounts that we're going to be receiving or expected to receive this year you can see uh the cdbg program there was a slight decrease and from year to year that it's up and down with that program there have been threats to abolish it for years by uh congress but it's still still with us but it's a slight decrease uh with that program uh the home investment partnership program we had a slight well a little bit more than a slight increase 11 percent uh esg program went down slightly and the hopper program 17 increase that particular program has experienced increases over the last several years so uh we're pleased to see that overall we had a one percent increase between the four programs so you can see what our allocations were last year between the programs 12.9 and what we expect to receive this upcoming program year a little over 13 million dollars for those programs so sharing is going to go through our public service allocations we only have 15 percent there's a statutory limit that we can only do 15 percent for public service and so you see what that dollar amount is and then this is a list of some of the housing programs that we do I think Mayor Pro Tem had mentioned last week about our priority repair program being limited to to five thousand dollars so we've increased that to up to 25 thousand which you can see there's a two million dollar budget for that line item so these are some of the programs that we do partnering with different agencies and then sharing a go through some of the specifics with the public service agencies okay good afternoon members council our public service agencies apply each year for all four three of our grants the cdbg esg and hopper we received 43 applications this year and recommended 23 to go forward for award they're grouped here by each of the strategic goal which is eight of the con plan goals that we have allocated for the funding for our HUD grant funds first we have our housing channel affordable housing was recommended we have three aging in place agencies that were recommended under children youth training and mentorship we had six agencies that were recommended for funding we had one for homeless services under our cdbg grant and we had four under the poverty reduction household stabilization we have one of our housing programs that's operated internally our priority repair program was allocated two million dollars we are adding or increasing our allocation to include our substantial rehabilitation program up to 25 thousand dollars per property this is for homeowners that are at or below 60 area median income which is 33 960 for a single person or 38 820 for two people you're just glossed over that go back and say that again and tell folk how far we've come to get here this is major our priority repair program has been allocated two million dollars prior to this year we have restricted the maximum allocation per property to five thousand dollars we've increased it which is our is our statutory regulation up to the 25 thousand per property which will allow us to do more comprehensive full work for all of our homeowners within our city now i'm going to interrupt and ask questions victor how did you guys make this happen because we've been asking for this for years what did you do um i convinced staff that this was something that we needed to do uh we also looked at other cities and and where i came from as well we did up to 25 thousand dollars we had to make a few little tweaks with our environmental review but it was nothing that we couldn't overcome so now i think we're at a point we realized that five thousand dollars would do very little uh you can't even repair a full roof and so if we're gonna help extend the life of these houses we felt that it was just critically important that we raise that dollar amount so everybody's on board well i want to tell this council why this is so important and i hope you tell everybody in your districts because people all over this city occasionally need a little help and the fact that we could not provide any more than five grand for more than a couple of decades was almost insulting and so we've been asking for this and asking for this and this this is going to be big for your people so renee one of your first communication pieces will be letting people know about this program now you have to be at a certain financial status to be able to get it but at least this is news and i promise you some folks are going to be allowed to stay in their homes because they can get rid of mold they can get rid of lid and fix up a sink that has all kind of problems so thank you thank you thank you remember tim our caltown brush up program is an ongoing partnership we have with trinity habitat for humanity it's a volunteer home painting program that's operated twice um each year in the spring and in the fall we have for our major projects under cdbg the balance of an allocation of a million dollars for 88 improvements at our south side community center for our home investment partnerships program we have the 10 percent allocation for administration we have a pending housing development project for our community housing development organization development corporation of tarrant county the balance of our home funds are going to be allocated to the stop six capital choice neighborhood grant at a million dollars which is year three of our five year commitment of our grant funds and and also to the permanent supportive housing project that tara mentioned earlier home entitlement funds will be allocated in that second nova our esg public service agencies all funds with the acceptance of administration are allocated to our ps a program so we have our five here with salvation army with homelessness prevention center for transforming lives provides rapid housing services and presbyterian night shelter shrew worth place and safe haven provides shelter services our hoppa public service agencies we have two tarrant county samaritan housing and a's outreach center uh with their funding allocated as shown the balance of our hoppa is operated through our internal uh tenant based rental assistance program with the hoppa funds as well as the staff administration funds this is a spreadsheet just breaking down each of the funding by the conplan goal the majority as expected is with our rehab programs and housing making up more than 50 percent of our overall allocation this is our timeline of course today we're presenting this to the council our draft plan is is currently underway and will be posted july 1st the same day that our public comment period begins it's a 30-day public comment period that will go through august 1st july 13th our staff will have an action plan public hearing and we will be back before you on august 9th requesting for consideration and approval of the action plan which is due to HUD on august 15th and our programming will begin on october 1st of this year any other questions questions or comment outside my sloppy emotional reaction it's so so important elizabeth it's not sloppy i can see it in your face that it's some of the means a lot to you and i think that i appreciate that perspective because not knowing the history behind how we got there sometimes we need that so thank you thank you okay dynamic duo right thank you go forth and conquer some more finally oh no we have to from brandon he's going to bring cody so environmental fund update from my friend brandon vinnett and cody wittenberg from cold compliance hi brandon you know i'm your friend okay and count mayor pro tem if you don't mind if i do a quick introduction for cody and then i'll have you move over to this podium if that's okay so we appreciate having this time before you today to talk about the environmental fund and just to provide a little bit of background back in 2019 we started looking at our enterprise funds specifically looking at the stormwater fund the solid waste fund and the environmental fund and through that process we looked at rate history challenges and policy issues that needed to be addressed and after we started having those initial conversations in 2019 we ultimately moved forward with the stormwater increase i believe in 2020 since that time as well we've talked to you several times about the solid waste fund we've brought to you the waste management contract and we've discussed with you some of the revenue problems we were having with the solid waste fund and we've even proposed different revenue solutions such as instituting a landfill surcharge which we did and also we had entertained implementing a landfill surcharge for our grant of privilege haulers which we have not done yet which has been a conversation i think we've had with mayor and council over the past six months today as we're starting to plan for the fiscal year 23 budget cody's going to dig in and provide a good overview kind of a history on the solid waste stormwater environmental funds but really digging into the environmental fund and posing some policy questions that city staff will spend the summer kind of grappling over and reviewing and determining what is the best way for us to handle some of the environmental fund arms or a solid waste fund expenses such as illegal dumping litter street sweeping and the enforcement that goes along with that so again cody will provide an overview and then staff will spend the summer grappling some of the policy questions that will share with you and with the intention of being back with the city managers introduced budget and with potential solutions thank you thank you valory yes thank you val and good afternoon everyone so it's my it's my privilege to offer some updates on the environmental protection fund or the environmental fund as we typically refer to it and this as we move into today's conversation really wanted to focus in on kind of three key areas so first is just a comparison of the three funds that valory mentioned environmental solid waste and the stormwater utility fund and then we'll dig a little deeper on the environmental fund itself and finally give you a little sneak peek at to some of the policy conversations we're currently having as we work to find a better way to sustain and expand our litter and illegal dumping programs and also some of those other environmental programs as well so here on this slide you also have a packet with you at your at your table if you want to see some of the more detailed elements but here we've taken each of these three funds and tried to break out some of the key elements so you see solid waste environmental and the stormwater utility and in the far left you see the original intent of those funds and then in the center of course you see what the current use of those funds are so just a real quick on the far right you can see that the solid waste fund was established in 1982 just pointing out that the solid waste fund is really established to collect and dispose of our garbage but over time over many over several decades we've added in different program expenses to the solid waste fund that includes recycling, bulk collection, the environmental collection center, drop-off stations, mulching and the list goes on to even include litter, abatement, illegal dumping, homeless camp cleanup, street sweeping and pedestrian trash among others but if you look at the environmental fund and the stormwater utility fund those uses have remained pretty consistent environmental fund used for maintaining our compliance with environmental regulations and dispose of environmental hazards and then for of course for the stormwater utility fund focusing on our drainage system and drainage system management. So continuing that triad if you look in the far left you can see these are the fee increases that have occurred with each of these funds so in the far left you see the environmental fund established in 1995 has not had any changes in the last 27 years solid waste fund as we've added on with additional programs we have had several changes to that fund over the years with 37 rate changes I'm sorry 15 rate changes over 37 years and then moving into the stormwater utility as Valerie mentioned with the most recent change in 2022 we've had five rate changes in the last 15 years so digging a little deeper on just the environmental fund you may ask yourself what are those rates that residents and rate payers are currently paying so if you live in a single family home or in an apartment unit you're paying 50 cents a month on your water bill for that to be collected in terms of commercial accounts that's $10 a month industrial accounts $35 a month and for those non-profit or municipal facilities everyone is paying the environmental fund and that is at 75 cents per month you can see based on our most recent accounts from the water department you can see that brings in about five million dollars annually for this fund now then going back to how that compares to those other two funds you can see across the top environmental solid waste and the stormwater utility the year in parentheses next to those is the last time that a utility rate increase was was made and you can see the compare the revenues for each of those funds so five million for environmental 72.6 million for solid waste and around 50 million for stormwater each year another key point to bring to your attention at this slide is the distribution of rate payers so you'll notice that for environmental on the left and stormwater on the right that this incorporates residential rate payers commercial rate payers and industrial rate payers as well as those other smaller groups but you'll also notice if you look at the solid waste pie chart you'll see that the majority of the rate payers for solid waste is really just our residential rate payers so you're not seeing a lot of our commercial or industrial accounts paying into our solid waste for the way that we've structured solid waste management in Fort Worth and then down at the bottom of course you can see the current net position cash on hand and reserve requirements for each of those funds so we talked a little bit about the fund structures and kind of where at the current statuses of each of these and on this slide we wanted to talk about some of the challenges so I mentioned earlier that we've added many services to the solid waste fund over the years on the left hand you can see these are really what the current revenues can cover each year without any issues and it really goes back to that original intent you've got the residential collections and the management of those satellite operations that support those collections but on the right side you can see some of those other programs that aren't easily covered by the existing revenues that includes illegal dumping litter abatement street sweeping key forth beautiful and others listed there so as we structured this conversation to move into planning for FY 2023's budget we wanted to really go back to the the basis of what some of our goals are for the environmental protection fund we wanted to make sure that we have a solvent sustainable fund to maintain integrity moving forward we want to make sure that we have sufficient resources for that baseline core requirement for compliance with environmental laws we want to of course make sure that we have enough funding for existing in future environmental capital projects we also want to make sure that we're considering service alignment or what the original intent of those funds are we maintaining that with the existing programs and services that we're paying for with those funds and then we also wanted to consider the equitability and the proportionality of those funds so what ratepayers are paying into those funds I mentioned a minute ago I mentioned that residential ratepayers were the predominant rate payer for the solid waste fund but the environmental and solid waste funds incorporate all those other ratepayers and then of course we want to make sure that we're having a nice savings account for those environmental emergencies that happen from time to time and we're meeting that reserve requirement so just as a quick reminder of and this is pretty detailed so you may want to look at the packet in front of you but we wanted to offer a quick reminder you know we're I could not be more complimentary of our staff and we've worked with many of your districts for some very challenging environmental projects and some that aren't quite so challenging but this is just a really good review of all of the different components of air quality water quality land quality hazardous materials management and litter and illegal dumping that we work operationally to control but I wanted to also point out that line on the slide and on your handout is everything to the left of that line is funded out of the Environmental Protection Fund today but the litter and illegal dumping programs even though operationally they fall in the environmental area the everything on that far right column is funded currently from the solid waste fund so as we talked about some of the different policy goals we wanted to start really also focusing on some of the challenges that we see with the Environmental Fund as it stands so we talked a little bit about program fund alignment for the basic core function of that fund are the programs that are being paid for out of that fund are they aligning with that intent or that original goal we also wanted to evaluate service demand we have seen an increase in in demand for services for litter control and illegal dumping as an example and others we want to make sure that we have enough revenue to meet those service demands and then we also want to continue those conversations about ensuring we have funding for the potential cost of future environmental projects and also ensuring that we have the ability to respond to those environmental hazards as they appear so as we looked at all of this we looked into the crystal ball so to speak we came up with about 22 million dollars worth of environmental expenses over the next few years that we felt like we should probably start preparing for or at least consider in conversations so we broke these out into some priorities so if you're looking at slide number 12 priority one was really looking at those expenses that are currently annually paid for out of the solid waste fund to see if there is an opportunity to shift those to another funding source so you can see this is a general given year for FY 23 about four million dollars goes into these programs for litter and illegal dumping again that's currently paid for out of the solid waste fund we have the opportunity to consider another revenue source to meet those expenses each year but then beyond that we have to ask ourselves is there the opportunity to expand what we're currently doing to meet that service level demand that we're that we're receiving is there a way to expand our litter and illegal dumping control services so working with staff working with the budget office we've evaluated some opportunities to expand as a second priority for for addressing those issues and then third last but not least is really looking at some of those other areas of environmental outside of litter and illegal dumping that we may want to consider so whether that's as best as the pavement removal or the development of potentially a city sustainability plan looking at in-stream water quality monitoring petroleum storage tanks often causes a problem at city facilities we have to manage those and then we have some other opportunities with solar solar energy or green infrastructure again total sum for those is around 22 million and there's other projects that we can consider as well so again this is a sneak peek at some of the active conversations we're having not just within our own little department of code compliance but also with the transportation public works department regarding stormwater and with the city manager's office and we wanted to highlight some of the considerations that were that we're moving forward so one is we could increase the amount of revenue that we receive in the environmental protection fund that might be an opportunity the second one is we could potentially increase revenue with the solid waste fund which could be with that new surcharge for GOP hollers or with an increase in residential collection rates number three we could increase the stormwater utility fund and move qualifying expenses to that fund where needed again each of these funds are governed by by local and state law of what we can and cannot pay for out of the funds moving into number four and five those both relate to the general fund we could transition these expenses to the general fund and either compete with all the other obligations for the general fund or consider an increase of revenue to meet those needs and then six of course we have to consider also the option of reducing services and programs to meet our existing revenue streams and again this is a sneak peek so as we move into fully developing a budget for FY 2023 we also are working with our partners in solid waste and stormwater to see if there's a way to maybe work smarter not harder or find some opportunities through potential reorganization so that could also be presented in the fall as well so just as a recap and a kind of a summary whenever we really look at all of the details here we wanted to focus in on some potential policy goals we really feel like there is an opportunity to distribute current litter and illegal dumping cost more equitably among all ratepayers we also feel like there's an opportunity to reduce the expenses of about four point four million of existing litter and illegal dumping expenses off of the solid waste fund and then we also have the opportunity to increase revenue to expand beyond what we're currently doing with litter and illegal dumping and address some of those in other environmental service capacity as well so in closing here's some of our next steps of what we hope to do today of course is this briefing and we'll be interested in all of your questions and feedback and then over the summer we're going to continue to evaluate each of these funds and all of the policies that I've sort of presented today and then on august 9th with the city manager's recommendation we're going to move forward with that as a part of that FY 23 budget so you may see some of this come to fruition at that time as a recommendation and then we'll consider from that point on to the end of the fiscal year any changes to that so with that I'll be happy to answer any questions or take any feedback first Carlos then Elizabeth Cody thanks for the update I was just looking through the presentation and I see at least part of what I'm looking for here because I was going to ask for some you know maybe some plotted historical data or tabulated data to see what what changes we've had in the past years but I see that in a few slides you have some of that there already um you know pertaining to the solid waste fund is it possible to get a little more historical data absolutely from from that I know that there wasn't you know according to slide four when a whole lot of change in the environmental fund for several years so I mean that that in part kind of answers my question but I'd like to get a little more fidelity out of the solid waste fund and just you know back out some historical trends and then ask you generally has staff gotten very much feedback from the private sector in terms of uh any any proposed impacts to uh fees so this is very much the start of the conversation we want to bring it to to all of you first but as we move forward the conversations including our those stakeholders and those representatives from those different core sectors is is very important to get that feedback okay just as long as that's occurring thank you Elizabeth um on slide what page is this six there's it's the pie charts of the different funds and how they're broken down and so like I'm assuming solid waste when you look at it that's because the way our solid waste is structured our residents pay our and you know commercial contract out with private industry um so with respect to the environmental fund we see the residential commercial and industrial breakdown when it comes to the dollars that we're spending out of that fund or the cost associated with residential commercial versus industrial or the money we are receiving are they in alignment with the the cost breakdown of what those particular entities are are costing us or what we're spending on those programs related to those particular entities absolutely so whenever we look at those commercial and industrial facilities we can anticipate that they may cause more pollution or emit certain things so we have structured that rate accordingly we believe but remember that everyone benefits from a clean environment so we're trying to balance out all of those issues cody looks like you're the man of the hour no other questions or anything all right well thank you for your time I appreciate it brandon your leadership shows thank you so much next on the agenda that we have for today is uh city council request for future agenda items or reports michael are you just making eyes at me or do you have something okay elizabeth i have three uh the first one is i would like a report from pd on their policy as it relates to uh runaway children uh we recently on sunday we received an email notification about a a 10-year-old child that was missing and the updates stated uh they have discontinued looking for the 10-year-old child the subject has had a history of running away before there will be no other further updates regarding this incident and i don't know if that's the best practice in our city so i'd like to know what our policy is what's considered habitual and if any mental health or other extenuating circumstances are are part of that calculation of when we stop looking for a 10-year-old child who has run away so i'd like to see that forthcoming second and i want to place a priority on this william i see in the office in the audience i recently had the opportunity to drive a significant portion of our freeways approximately 12 continuous miles from 820 south to 20 and then west to the exit that i take which is trail lake and i can tell you that there were no lights operable from rose dale and 820 all the way to hem hill where there were three lights operable and then they went out again until just past trail lake i want a complete analysis of all major interstates in our city i want to know how many lights are how many sections what the total percentage of lights out are i want to know whose responsibility it is to maintain the particular lights that have been identified as inoperable and i want to know the status of any work orders that we have to get those fixed i think that that's a incredible public safety risk to our community not just those folks that drive on it but our first responders that have to go respond to the accidents that happen i happen to be driving that night in the rain during a storm and and i am not one to be a fearful driver as folks that have been in the car with me know but this was scary and so i want to make sure that we're prioritizing that and i also want to know what our policy is for how we prioritize street light repairs whether it's a single street light or a a string of street lights and whether the location is analyzed for you know high level of pedestrian traffic so that we can make sure we're keeping all our folks safe and then the third and final again for tpw i want to talk about storm water i asked fire to pull a heat map for me of the high water rescues that we've had in the past three years and i can tell you that they are generally located in the central city where we know we have storm water issues because development occurred before we had our standards in place that's an economic development issue and it's a safety issue so i'd like to know what percentage of our city has our city wide flood risk map that we have identified i would like to know for i think we do it do we do three i say i'm looking at you greg do we do three year events and five year events or is it five ten okay so we don't we don't capture five year data on gis all right so then i guess we're doing a hundred and i want to know what percentage of the city falls into a developed area falls into a flood risk for a hundred year i also want that broken down for what the percentage of our mma's and what percentage of that is mma's and smma's and then any vacant land that um that we can that is located within those because obviously those become um undevelopable so thank you thank you any other future chris yes i want to welcome the communication guy here and i also want to ask him uh one of the first tasks i'm asking for facebook live uh as for our work session meetings and our city council meetings so we really want to for so many years we've been facebook live and all of a sudden the equipment is not allowing us to do that so i want us to get back on facebook a lot of our constituents watched it that way and they interacted with the city forward and so i tried my arm got tired today but i i did as long as i could well i'm hold i'm holding your arm up okay we're assistant please i didn't know greg was here greg i hope are you going to my part of town shortly okay tomorrow okay uh my future agenda item is one that i've shared before and uh it's just very sad to think about the heavy rains that came in 2018 and i had four lives lost and so here we are again and development near lgi and huffines and these areas and greg knows very well uh we have people in distress for the new people on this council i stood with my constituent in a news conference in 2018 calling on a moratorium for building because we believed and i believe today that the building that was taking place should not have been allowed to go further and so i want to thank greg for his actions tomorrow he knows those stories very well but i want to report on the impact the rains had that i drove through clenching my teeth while i was riding through friday but david once again it's that part of town and its infrastructure its processes that if if they're being followed they need to be changed mike dean combat pilot vietnam aviation member part of his house is just chipping away and so they were in the rain the other night don taking videos showing the the torrential waters just coming from all directions greg has seen it it is totally evil as far as i'm concerned and we have to take better care of people and so i don't know how this is going to end up this time because i've got people who have never been active or now turning into activists because they believe their city is not taking care of them i don't think i need to be any more specific we know the drill we've been here before we got to do something to fix this but it's going to start with greg tomorrow and what he sees but i'm going to be calling once again for a moratorium on building lienne knows this once before we were told we couldn't do that but we are this is not right this is not right and so for those of you who don't know this is the east side of fort worth near john t white randall mill mallet cove community we had a high water rescue there i guess that was friday or saturday and the building the building just keeps on coming and the building floods people out of their homes so we need some help luckily only one life lost this time this this is this is crazy so that's mine and with that no further business meeting adjourned


Okay, so we were looking at how in the Spirit, there is a sense of feeling like Paul says he was provoked, he was stirred up and it was in the Spirit man. He felt bound like almost like his insides were tied up and that was also in the realm of the Spirit. Ezekiel talks about bitterness and heat. And he also says, you know, Ezekiel chapter 11, we see that he says, Spirit fell upon me, which means he felt the weight of the presence of the Holy Spirit, right? The weight of the presence of the Holy Spirit upon him. So all this we feel just like, you know, a physical senses we feel and we touch an object, right? And if we are sensitive, right? We feel. So in our spirit, we can feel, okay? And we have all these scriptures to talk about that, to validate that, because there is a sense of, you know, Ezekiel talks about bitterness in my spirit and it is something God has called him. He has his encounter, supernatural encounter and he senses this in a spirit, right? Okay, then what about seeing? Okay, what about the Holy, the spirit sense of seeing? Okay, visual things, right? So again, when we look into the word, we see there are many things that people would see, you know, in terms of something like a moving picture, like a video, you know, and there are several terms given to it, like, there's a, you know, vision, dreams and other things. Okay, so let's look at a few of them. Okay, let's turn to the book of Amos in the Old Testament. Amos chapter 7 verse 1, okay, this is how it starts. Thus the Lord God showed me, okay? Behold, he formed locus swarms at the beginning of the late crop. So the Lord is showing Amos something, right? And it's as real as if it is happening in front of him. So he showed him something and he saw, right? The Lord is showing him and he is seeing. Okay, second, we go down to verse 4. Thus the Lord God showed me, behold, the Lord God called for conflict by fire and it consumed the great deep and devout the church. So here is again something that God is showing him, right?  So all these pictures, God is showing him and Amos is receiving this, perceiving this information, right? Yeah, short. Yeah, so we look at that. So difference between vision and dream. Yeah, okay. So here, so Amos talks about that, right? And if you go down to the next chapter, chapter 8, again, verse 1, Thus the Lord God showed me, behold, or, you know, see a basket of summer fruit. And he asked and he said, Amos, what do you see? So I said a basket of summer fruit, then the Lord said to me, so here the Lord is revealing something. He's communicating something and he's able to see something. And we know that it's, well, was he able to see in his physical eyes? Was he able to see in his mind? Was he able to see, you know, the thing is that he perceived it. The Lord showed, he perceived it. And this is what we see. So the spirit man, we can say, you know, has, there is a seeing capability. Okay, we'll look at some more of this. Okay, let's look at Job chapter 33. Okay, if you look at Job 33, and it was 14 and 16, 14 to 16, right? Job 33 was 14. For God may speak in one way or in another, yet man does not perceive it. Okay, so he's talking about God speaking, God communicating and saying, you know, man is not able to receive it and does not perceive it. Okay, then verse 15. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls upon men while slumbering on their beds, then he opens the years of men and seals the instruction in order to turn man from his deed and conceal pride from man and so on. Right, so he's saying, this is what God does when in a dream, in a vision and two different words are used there in a dream and a vision. Like Sean asked, okay, what is a dream, what's a vision? So when a man is sleeping, right, it says when deep sleep falls upon men. So you're not in control, you're sleeping and then you have a dream, right? It's in the realm of your mind and it's something that you see. It's like maybe a motion picture and it's like a video and you see that. Now, what is a vision? It's something similar again.  And so what is the basic difference? We see there are similarities. You know, it's like in this case, talks about the person having a vision, even while sleeping, like dream vision. But we know for a fact that a person can have a vision while awake. Can you have a dream while awake? Of course, jokingly we say, don't daydream because the person is just not focusing, not concentrating, thinking about something and we say, okay, he's daydreaming. But the fact is that the person is very much there, he's just preoccupied with something else. But the thing is that a person can have a vision while fully awake. And it's a similar thing like it could be a picture, it could be a video kind of thing that they're able to see, but they could be fully awake and see it. So that would be probably the state of alert or state of being awake or awake or sleeping. That would be the difference I would say. But the fact is that one can have a vision even while asleep. That is what we see in this verse. So then Ezekiel chapter 8, before we go there, another term, trans, accept the 10 and verse 10. So we see, accept the 10 and verse 10. Now this happens to Peter. It says, accept the 10 verse 10, then he became very hungry and wanted to eat. But while they made heavy, I'm sorry, made ready, he fell into a trance. He fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. And we know that, right? And then he hears a voice and then he has this conversation and so on. But the thing is this, that he was getting ready for lunch to be prepared and he fell into a trance, it says. So what again, dream, vision, here is the Lord showing these pictures kind of thing and then here we see the trance. So when you look at the definition of trance according to dictionary, it says an altered state of consciousness where you could be physically there, but then not responding to stimulus and so on. Because you're seeing something, altered state of consciousness, but that's the dictionary definition or the scientific definition of trance. But in any case, Peter seemed to have that kind of experience, fell into a trance, there's something supernatural happening, a supernatural message where he fell into a trance and he saw a sheet with all these animals and he heard the voice of God saying, instructing him to do something and he speaks back in the trance. Sorry, sorry. He saw, in the good news, is it okay, okay, right? And that's fine, good news we know is the, you know that, right? It's a simplified and also it's the translation of the mess of thought, not necessarily the semantics, not necessarily word for word, but it's actually thought for thought.  Is it the same thing? These are two different words, Hebrew words that are used for dreams, for vision and so on. So that version is like message, passion, translation, it gives us the thought, the idea behind that message. So not necessarily word for word, yeah. Okay, so he sees, he's in a trance, he sees this and, you know, this has happened. And there's a communication from God, an important communication from him, okay? No, just we're going through all this of the nuts and bolts of this just to, for us to understand that the scope of communication, right? The scope, the expand the scope of how the Holy Spirit speaks to us. Okay, now we're looking at one more, which is vision, Ezekiel 8 and verse 3. Ezekiel 8 and verse 3, he stretched out the form of a hand and took me up by the lock of my hair. And the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem to the court of the North gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was which provokes to jealousy. Okay, now he has this supernatural encounter, okay, prophet Ezekiel. And he mentions that, okay, he was brought in visions of God, which means that he saw these things as if he was brought to Jerusalem and he could see these things happening right in front of me, in front of him, right? Okay, then let's turn to 11 and verse 24. Ezekiel 11 verse 24. Then the Spirit took me up and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea to those in captivity and the vision that I had then went up from me. Okay, so in this vision, in this picture, which was again facilitated or inspired or brought about by the Spirit of God. Okay, so he sees that he's in a different geographical location itself, right? In Chaldea and he sees those who are in captivity. Okay, so we see this happening. So we're looking at Spirit of God showing something in terms of pictures, in terms of... And this showing things like visually happens in all these ways. It could be a dream, it could be a vision, it could be a trans, it could be supernatural things happening. Okay, this could happen because we see that in Scripture. Also, when it comes to dreams, I just want to mention that even when you look at the Gospels, right? We know that not all dreams are from God. Okay, so that's another very important thing. It's not like every dream is from God. Okay, there are dreams which happen because of medication, dreams because of overthinking, right? Thinking of something, dreams because you ate something, all those things happen. But here, that doesn't mean that God does not give dreams. Okay, look at Matthew chapter 1. Okay, Matthew chapter 1 verse 20. Matthew chapter 1 and verse 20, it says, while he thought about these things, talking about Joseph, right? Well, he thought about these things, behold an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you, marry your wife.  Okay, so a very important communication, a very important message came to Joseph. God actually chose to communicate this to him through a dream. He was asleep and in the dream he has this. Look at how he responds. Verse 24, then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife. Okay, so maybe he was used to having dreams and God communicating to him through dreams. We don't know, we don't have that information, but this is how he responded to a dream. Okay, this is how he responded to the instruction that God gave to him in a dream. It was a life altering decision. So it was for him to go and take Mary to be his wife. She was already with child, the Holy Spirit and he had to go through a lot of fear, a lot of uncertainty, all that. But then when he had this, this is what he did. Okay, then we see another dream, same man, Joseph. If you look at chapter 2 and verse 13, okay, Matthew chapter 2 verse 13. Now when they had departed, behold an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream saying, Arise, take the young child and his mother, flee to Egypt and stay there until I bring you word for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. Okay, again in the dream, same man, a different dream and in the dream and instruction, what is instruction?   Okay, so what does he do? Again, we see that this is what he does. When he arose, he took the young child, verse 14, and his mother by night and departed for Egypt. Right, he says that he just left under cover of darkness by night. He obeyed, but this was the message which was brought to him in a dream. Okay, that's not all. You turn to the same chapter, you go to verse 19. Now when Herod was dead, behold an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt saying, Arise, take the young child and his mother and go to the land of Israel for those who sought the young child's life are dead. I'm reading verses 19 and 20, verse 21, then he arose, took the young child and his mother and came into the land of Israel. So we see three instructions, three very important instructions and all the instructions are, well, I don't know, you know, if you had such instructions in a dream, what would you think? Right, these are dreams, you know, God speaking to Joseph in a dream and this seems to be like very life altering, life changing decisions because he's moving from one place to another for the sake of safety. He's moving from again from that place and things are better. He's going and making a decision about his marriage. But the thing is, maybe he was used to hearing the voice of God and he was used to hearing obeying the voice of God through, that God's speaking to him through. So he's very clear, okay, God has spoken, no doubts, he obeyed. So the thing is, God speaks in all these ways, dreams, visions. Same with Peter, you know, he has the strands, he has this whole thing and if you see the end of that portion in Acts chapter 10, let's just read that, Acts chapter 10, right, verse 17 to 20. Peter says, wondering, okay, I had this trans, I had this encounter, now what do I do, what do I do? And then God says, you know, thought of, he's thinking about it. Spirit said to him, behold, three men are seeking you, arise, go down, go with them, doubting nothing for I have sent them. So he has this confirmation, holy speaking to him and then he goes. So the thing is that God is communicating in the New Testament, in the New Covenant, the New Dispensation through these ways also. It was not just with Ezekiel, it was not just with the Old Testament prophets, but also in the New Testament. And you know, how Peter, I mean, sorry, Paul decided to go to Macedonia because he saw a vision, the Macedonian man saying, come, help us. And he knows that it was a message from God. So the thing is this, we need not limit God and say, God, I know that you'll seek only this way. God will use these, all these scriptural forms that we see here are avenues of speaking to us. The Spirit of God will speak to us in all these ways. Okay, we'll move on to another one, which is hearing. Hearing can be an audible voice. What does audible voice mean? You can hear with your ear. It's like you can hear me speaking. Now that's an audible voice. So God speaks in audible voice. God can and He does speak in audible voice. So, like for example, if you look at, you know, we looked at Matthew chapter 3, right? Matthew chapter 3 and verse 17. Okay, suddenly a voice came from heaven saying, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. When did this happen? Immediately after Jesus came up out of the waters.  This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased. Okay, so God can and does speak in an audible voice. But also we know that it can be an inner witness. It can be an inner voice. You know that God has spoken. But you know that it was not something that you heard out of your ear. But you spoke, it was clear, but it was on the inside. What you would call as the inner witness, inner voice. It could be a word. It could be a sentence. It could be an impression. What is an impression? An impression. A message can be an impression of a message. Simply saying impression is you have a, let's say you have some clay and you press your finger on it, come on it. You leave an impression. When you lift your hand, there is a shape, your finger shape, a depression on it, impression on the clay. So it's something similar happens in our spirit. It sends an impression of a message. I'm supposed to do this. When we are in the habit of hearing the voice of God obeying, more importantly obeying the voice of God, then you know, okay, I sense this impression. I'm supposed to do this. Okay, so while the audible voice is something that we hear with our ears and external organ, but internally we could sense it could be a prompting. It's something that we hear. Okay, let's look at Acts 21 and verse 4. Acts 21 and verse 4. Okay, verse 4. And finding disciples we stayed there seven days, they told Paul through the Spirit not to go to Jerusalem. So there was something information that was communicated by the Holy Spirit to these believers and they told Paul through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. So it was a prophetic word, something about the future. And so they were telling Paul, this is what is awaiting you in Jerusalem. So please don't go. You'll be imprisoned and all that. But Paul went anyway because he also knew that that is what is awaiting him. But for him it was actually an opportunity to minister to those people because God had already told them that he will stand before kings and rulers for my sake. So he saw it that way. So he went anyway. So we see that. Okay, what else about hearing? It could be Acts 8 verse 29, Acts 8. We're going through a lot of scripture here and all of these are pointing to different ways by which God speaks and hopefully it will just open our understanding. Okay, Acts 8 verse 29. In the Spirit said to Philip, go near and overtake this chariot. And the Philip said to Philip, go near and overtake this chariot. So we see one full length instruction. It was just one line but we see that instruction which was given to Philip. Go near and overtake this chariot. So we can say, okay, the Holy Spirit is speaking. God is speaking to me and it can be a sentence. So just because it's a sentence or just one line, this can't be God. For Philip, this is one line. If you look at verse 26 also, we see that arise and go towards the south along the road which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. Very descriptive. It's almost like an address. Go to this main, this cross, door number and such and such thing. So then Philip, okay, it's so clear. So I'm going, I'm obeying.  He arose and went. Now the Spirit says to Philip, go near and overtake this chariot. So can it be from God? Can it be from the Holy Spirit? It doesn't have any more instructions. It doesn't have much description. It's just one line, go and do this. Why should I? But no, he didn't exactly that. Okay. So God can speak in these ways. He can speak just one word, word of command. And that word brings so much clarity to us. That word brings so much of peace to our hearts sometimes depending on the circumstance. And that word is just what we need. That one word is just what we need for that moment. It's just that Reema word which the Spirit of God brings to us. And it is something that we hear in the inner man. We hear in the, in our spirit. And you're not able to explain it, but it's something that you heard in the inner person. Okay. So words, sentences, and sometimes it's, Ezekiel writes about the voice of like rushing, like the sound of great rushing water. Ezekiel 3. It's like that.  Paul could hear, right? He could hear clearly what God was telling him, right? So, so we see that for others it was, it was some kind of a sound. And we see here that Ezekiel hears the sound of a rushing river. Okay. Like the sound of mighty waters. This is the voice of God. Okay. So the thing is this, while God can speak through all this, our ultimate reference point, plumb line. Okay. What is it? It's the word of God. So the word of God is our reference. It's our standard. It's our plumb line. Why? Because the word and the spirit agree. Okay. So the spirit of God is not going to give anything contradictory to the word. So that's why it's important for us to know the word of God. Okay. Because if you are saying, okay, I'm going to let by the spirit, let by the spirit and and are not really grounded in the word, then we could go off into error. Right. Or if you're, you know, the other thing is this, if we are okay, I'm going to be, you know, just, I'm going by the word, principles of the word. And we are not opening ourselves to all these ways by which God speaks in these times, in the, in the, in today's time. And if you're not open, if you're saying, okay, God will speak, saying this fellow doesn't want to hear any other way. Some important instruction. Let me just speak to him. Right. But the fact is we are limiting ourselves. Right. If you're saying, okay, prophetic word, I don't believe in that dream. No vision. No, I don't think so. You know, we are just limiting. We are cutting off. Right. So the thing is that Holy Spirit speaks to us.  And when he brings it, it's not always a sentence. It's not always something that we read in the sentence or word, but it can be all these. It can be a picture. It can be a picture that moves. It can be something but Spirit of God speaks to us that way. Right. Because we see it in the word and it's, we need to be open. Right. At the same time, we need to be grounded in the word. Right. Because that's the final authority so that we don't go off into error. We, you know, check all these experiences and all that with the word of God. Okay. Any questions or anything that you might want to share? Yeah. Francis, how can we recognize if it's God, God given dream? Okay. Okay. The same thing, you know, like what, what is the dream about content of the dream? Is it something good, bad, ugly? You know, does it contradict? What does it produce in you? Like, is it great fear? Is it anxiety? Is it, is there a sense of peace about it? And in your spirit, do you get a witness?  The Holy Spirit actually says, hey, this is for you. Right. You read, the Lord is my shepherd and the Lord highlights the aspect of his shepherd, shepherding. And you know, there's a witness there, but the Holy Spirit does the same thing. If it is from him, you know, he gives the sense of highlighting confirmation assurance that it's from him. And we need to probably ask more for interpretation of it. Right. So it will not contradict evil. There's a sense of peace.  For example, well, the dream about seven oxen, right? In Egypt, right? The king had the dream and also about the years of corn, you know. So each of those represented a year of famine. So it was symbolic in nature. It represented something.   The thin cows represented something. So it was symbolic. The interpretation also comes from the Holy Spirit because that's what Joseph said, you know, interpretation comes from God. So by the Holy Spirit, he was able to interpret and say, this is what this dream means. So interpretation will also come. So dreams could be literal, dreams could be symbolic. And interpretation also comes from the Holy Spirit. Okay. So, yeah. So God would choose to speak to us and dreams. And so, so what do I do? Practical ways. No, I can make note of it. Write it down. Okay, this is what I saw. This is where this then make note of it and ask the Lord, Lord, you know, you show me, you know, is this something from you? Is it something that I can just discard? It's creating a lot of fear and unwanted emotion. I just want to discard it. Or if it's from you God, you just teach me, show me. And the Lord will do that. Yeah. Okay. Shira and Sean, I'll just ask Shira first. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. Smell and taste, right? Now, what the Holy Spirit brings in? Okay. So Shira's question is this, you know, there are these five senses. Okay. Seeing, feeling, hearing, all that is fine. But what about taste and smell? Okay. Is there a, is there something that, well, God can. Okay. God can bring about a sense of, I forget the reference, but see, one thing is Ezekiel was asked to, was it Ezekiel or John? He was asked to eat a scroll. And the Prophet says that it was like honey in my mouth, but it went into the stomach. It was bitter. So was he physically experiencing it? No. It was a spiritual experience. So taste, you know, we know that can, like God does that in unique ways for a purpose. You know, we don't know why.  I don't know once it happened here. We were having this five days of prayer and one worship session and I think it was somewhere around there. And people were like saying, I think I can smell that. It's not like somebody walked in at that time with a, you know, wearing a perfume or thing, the same crowd. So yeah, it can happen. And God can do that. Okay. So Sean, how do you know if you've had a dream or a vision? Okay, the bigger picture is what do you do with it? Okay, so that's the thing. So how do I know if it's a dream or a vision? Okay, I'm sleeping. I've had a dream or I'm sleeping and I don't know whether it's a dream or a vision. I would say not get into it. Okay, but knowing fully well that this, this is the major category. Okay, I'm sleeping and I've had this, I'm awake and I'm having a similar kind of thing. I know it's a vision. So I would just leave it at that. Like this happened to me once, you know, so I don't know whether it was a vision or a, like I was living a very dual life as a believer. Like I was, I'll just share this very quickly. And then, okay, I was living a dual life as a believer, very, very freshly indulging in sin and all that. And Sunday was fine. And that kind of a thing because of my work related travel and all that. And I was doing a lot of crazy things. But anyway, this people are praying for me. And one afternoon I was sitting in my hotel room and I was in sales. I was sitting in my hotel room and I have this. I was just, I had some time to catch the train. So I was just, it was in Hyderabad hotel room and I have this picture. So I don't know whether it was a vision. I don't know how to call it that, but it was a very clear picture about a child which was climbing upstairs, like stairs like that, going up. A child is just playing and there are these gifts presents which are there in every step. And the child is just happily going there and child is holding on to someone's hand and picking up these presents and going and going and going and then suddenly the child becomes very afraid, scared. And because the way is becoming darker and darker it's going up, it's becoming dark. And the child is picking up all the way, picking up these presents which are there, but it's becoming dark. The child is very scared and I could almost sense that fear. And the child suddenly wants to let go of that hand. He's holding a hand. So looks at that hand, that hand had become like a claw, full nails and everything. And instead of the child holding, that claw is actually holding that, gripping the child. And that was the thing. And I'm just waiting to go catch a train in the hotel. And God was telling me this and immediately I had this understanding, this is you.  I don't know whether it was her. So I don't know the part, but this was a message. The message was that you're the child, you're playing. You're just going around, going after fleshly things, going after sinful things, just playing and you'll reach a stage when you won't be able to shake off.  So be careful. It was a warning from the Lord. So that was, God could have spoken to me in many different ways. I think he did, but I was not listening. But I have this picture. He showed me this picture and that really created so much of this thing that I wanted to let go of all those things that I was doing, come clean before God. So the important thing is, what is the message? What is God telling me? Sometimes it could be a very simple thing. It could be something to encourage us. It could need not be very symbolic or it could be literal also. I remember one of our students, past students, he's now missing somewhere in Chattisgarh side. So he used to, he was doing an internship kind of a thing here. So every day he used to go to North part of Bangalore, Elahankar side and go do some personal evangelism. So the previous evening he'll have a dream. Previous night he'll have a dream. In that dream, he'll see himself, he'll see someone else and it'll be a bus stop. So bus stop, he's going and he's meeting and talking to that person. So that will be the dream. So this happened for some time, every day, previous day. And the next day, same thing will happen. He'll go and that person will be there. He'll recognize from the dream and he'll go and share the gospel. Because as of God is preparing him, okay, when you see this person, you know that you are supposed to go meet him, share the gospel. So it was a literal dream. What is the symbolism behind the person now? It was a literal thing. And he shared saying, what is happening? I've been doing it. So it's quite exciting that God would prepare him that way the previous day for these things. Any other questions online? Yeah, so Chaiya's question is how do we know it's our own imagination? It's our own imagination. That's the thing. Because it feels as if it's our own thought. When you have the dream, it doesn't feel as if somebody is given something separate from us. We are so, we are in it. We are a character in it. It's all happening. It's so real. And even when we get a message or when it's so, is it my own imagination? Or is it something really from God? So Chaiya, I would say that we use all these tests. Are we going to learn about prophecy? We're going to be looking at some more instructions that we see in 1 Thessalonians 5 test all prophecies. So it's a test. We need to test all things. But the thing is this that after having all these tests and we see that things are fine, perfect. But we still have a doubt. Is it just my own thought? It is possible. It is possible for us to have because of our imagination. It is possible for us to think these things and have these things. It is possible. But when it comes to maybe major decisions and things like that, we need to kind of test it out. And we can pray, ask God. We can get people to pray for us confirm and God will confirm. Maybe God will give the same dream another time. Maybe twice, twice just to confirm it. God can do that. So the thing is this you know, all this we are talking about what are we learning? We are learning that these are the ways by which we learn from God. So this is what we are getting to the nuts and bolts of it. But the thing is, you see that the whole premise is relationship. So it is based on relationship with God. You are walking with God, we are journeying with God. We are learned, we are with disciples of God. We are following the Lord. That's the whole foundation. So when we follow, when we continue to follow the Lord, you know, these things will be clearer. We'll be able to recognize the voice of the Spirit without any doubt. That's the thing. So it's not an isolation. Okay, do I use this methods to find out? But it's actually part of our walking with God. Now that's very important. Part of our intimacy with God, our relationship with him. You take that out. Everything becomes a scientific experiment. You know, you do this, this. So that's the key thing. So we might make mistakes. We learn from it. We pick up and we move on, we work on. Any other questions? Okay. Any questions? You had Prince? Okay. What do we do? Okay, Prince's question is, what if we had a good dream? A very clear dream, but we don't remember it. So that happens. That is why it's good to write every time we, even when you wake up, it's not there. Okay, then you can't do anything about it and you can't be held responsible for it. So yes, no problem. Just ask God. If it's anything, you know, this is very, very important you tell me, show me. So he will show that. Like there have been instances where people had the same dream. One, two, three nights in a row, same thing. And it was as if God saying, hey, in case you didn't do first time, second time also I'm telling you, third time. I'm going to re-trating it and yeah. Okay, yeah. So Arun, that's the question. How do you interpret a vision? So same thing as the dream. We see that it has all the elements of a dream, right? It has a vision could be static, like just one picture.  I see Arman tree or Jeremiah I see this and the Lord says, okay, this is what the meaning is. So it could be symbolic. Right? So we use the same principles of interpretation. Does it contradict the word? Is it in line with the word? What is the interpretation of it? The message behind it? So yeah, so we do that. For us. Okay. Okay, so someone is interpreting your dream. Is that what you're saying? Or somebody's this is what it means. Okay, so yeah, let me just explain into the online. So one student had a dream, the other student was explaining the dream to another student. A person had these interpretation meanings come in, right? Okay. So it's good to share that. It's good to share that and say, okay, this is what I feel it is. You know, this is what I sense it is because that's what Joseph did, right? He had the interpretation and he shared it. So it's good to share but now the responsibility Arman's responsibility is to receive and test and your responsibility to also say that, hey, this is what I sense, but you test it. You know, if you say this is what God is saying, you know, it could be that, but then we we always present it, submit it saying this is what I sense God speaking, but you test it because he's the recipient of it. He's going to do with it something so you test it and God will confirm to his heart. So that's the way to go about it. Yeah, definitely God will give the interpretation. Right. Okay, so about two more minutes. So I think I guess we'll stop here, right? We'll stop here for today because the next topic is baptism of the Holy Spirit and we'll do that in our next session. Thank you so much. God bless. Bye.