We'll go ahead and call the order of the June 6th planning commission meeting if we can do roll call Commissioner Ruth, Commissioner Newman, Commissioner Kristen Thin, Commissioner Wilk, and Chair Welch. Here, thank you. Okay, we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance. Okay, welcome to our audience. We probably have a much larger audience on watching on TV, I'm sure. So this meeting is cablecast live on charter communications cable TV channel 8 and AT&T Uverse channel 99. It is being read actually it's not on AT&T Uverse just to let you know because hasn't been there for like three months but we're working on it. It's also being recorded to be replayed on the following Monday and Friday at 1 p.m. on charter channel 71 and Comcast channel 25. Meetings can also be viewed from the city's website at www.cityofcapitola.org. Our technician tonight is Kingston Riviera and if you would just make sure your cell phones are on silence and we appreciate that. If you come up to speak just sign into our roster so we have that for a minute. With that we will go over to what we have next. Additions and deletions to the agenda. We received one addition to the agenda for item 4a on consent for 1375 Prospect Avenue. It was a change to a bathroom window and if this stays on consent we would just suggest that in the motion that it be noted with the additional change as amended. Copy that. Very good. Any public comments? This time is for those people who would like to talk to the planning commission about anything that's not on the agenda tonight so would you guys like to come up and talk to us? Nothing else on your mind? Okay. Very well. Seeing that we'll go ahead and we'll come back and ask for commission comments. We're seeing how what kind of record we could break for how quick we can get a meeting done tonight. Staff comments? No comments. Okay. So we're moving on pretty good. Now we're going to move to approval of our meetings from the minutes from our meeting on May 2nd. Move to approve the minutes. Motion. Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye. So that passes. Our next item is our consent calendar which the items on the consent counter get voted with one motion. We have two items one for 1375 Prospect and another one for 606 Burlingame. Is there anyone that would like to pull anything from the consent calendar? Any of our planning commissures? Yes. I had a question. I don't necessarily want to pull item A but I had a question for staff about it which is does the parking configuration meet the code? I mean we've got four spaces and they're all tandem spaces and I thought there's a limit on allowable tandem spaces without a variance. You have two in tandem behind the one in the garage and so this is two in tandem behind the one in the garage with another one off to the side so technically it's not three in a row. Three in a row wouldn't have worked. Well so the one that what tandem implies is that the car behind has to pull out and this one the one that you're not counting has two cars in its way in order for it to get in and out. Under code though it says you can have one in the garage with two tandem behind it. But there's one on the panel. There's one in the garage and three behind it. If you can pull it though. Yeah one's kind of parked on the patio that's kind of that's when you're talking about it.  So how can that not be a tandem space? You could back out of that. Depends on what you're driving. Huh? So you could pull out of that. Depends on what you're driving. Yeah if you're driving a helicopter. It is an interesting parking configuration. Yeah I mean we did explore an alternative of putting a whole another curb cut down on the south west corner but it just would have been you know more more curb cuts more pavement so and this this technically works the way we the code reads so. Would qualify for a variance. I guess it is an oddly shaped lot though it is very large and you know could have designed their way out of it I guess but. You know I guess it depends on the size of the vehicles it where they're at on how they get in and out. It's more of an inconvenience for the owners but I don't understand what you're saying. Mr. Newman about the tandem what the actual ruling is there. I mean it's tough in here is that you know what we're what we're required to do is have them show these 10 by 18 blocks there in reality you could actually park three cars in a row on that driveway and they would totally fit so most likely this parking arrangement won't actually. So you don't have to park in that diagonal configuration. Yeah it's more of a sort of a Tetris thing when you you're at this point of the code because that's a very large driveway there and they were only I believe a couple you know two feet short on being able to technically do three in a row but one that wouldn't be allowed by the code and two we have to have them show it correctly so. Okay so I'm not going to ask it to be pulled but I'm going to ask that we vote on the two items individually. Okay we can do that. So can I ask a question since we're on that process? Absolutely. I just wanted to make sure that we talked to Katie and I talked about this landscape plan thing is it clear that they when they submit the landscape plan that they don't need to have a higher landscape architect to do that. Yes they're aware of that. Thank you. So any more questions for staff or is anyone from the AUNTS guy concerned about our consent items? They will bring it back and I will do two separate motions and if we're going to make a motion for prospect we just got to remember the motion these include the supporting information that we received today. If you'd like I can pull up the section of code to review that prior to the motion. Is this coastal? It is in the coastal zone. So it's the old code. I read it. Okay. I mean apparently it's a interpretation here. I interpreted a little differently. I would move approval of 1375 Prospect Avenue with the addition of the condition regarding the three bathroom windows on the south side. Great. We have a motion. A second? Second. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? I'm opposed just for the record I think the parking requires a variance. Okay. So we have one opposing. So we'll move to 4B for the consent calendar. All those in I guess first we need to make a motion. Move approval. Second? Second. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. So that is approved unanimously. Okay. So that's it for the consent calendar. We'll move to public hearings. We have one item tonight which is 529 Capitol Avenue and we'll ask for a staff report. All right. So for our public hearings tonight we have 529 Capitol Avenue. The applicants are in attendance in the audience here. The applicant is applying for design permit and a conditional use permit to add two dormers to an existing historic residence located at 529 Capitol Avenue within the CN neighborhood commercial zoning district. The application requires a conditional use permit because it's a significant change to a historic structure. The existing residence is a non-conforming two-story single-family residence. The house is recognizable as a somewhat altered mid-19th century national style cottage. The national style is embodied in vernacular, steeply pitched gable roofed houses with half stories at the upper level. They are commonly clad in bored and batten siding and feature 2-2 or 1-1 double hung wood windows placed individually. The primary character of this historic house is obtained from its simple form and materials. So we have our existing elevations. Two good job of illustrating the eaves. That was an important line that needed to be preserved in this project. Then we have the proposed elevations. So the applicant is proposing to construct two new dormers, one on the northwest side and one on the southeast side of the existing second-story roof. So shown here. The bottom left image is the northwest side and the top left image is the southeast side. The dormers preserve the archetypical 1870s steeply pitched roofline at the front and rear elevations. The dormer will have shingle siding to distinguish the non-historic dormer additions from the bored and batten siding on the historic structure. And the proposed additions do not increase the floor area or height of the structure. The proposed project includes a significant alteration to the historic structure. Significant alterations require conditional use permit with approval by the Planning Commission. And any modification to a historic resource must comply with the Secretary of the Interior's standards to qualify for a CEQA exemption. Architectural historian Leslie Dill has reviewed the project and concluded that it is compatible with the Secretary of the Interior's standards for rehabilitation. Local historian Carolyn Swift provided additional information about the history of the structure at the Ark and Sight Review Committee meeting and requested that complete and accurate history of the building be documented. Leslie Dill reviewed the materials and provided a memo in which she determined that the changes in explanation of the historic background do not change the description or list of character defining features of the historic property and maintained her previous conclusion that the potential project does not diminish the historic integrity of the significance of the property. So with that staff recommends Planning Commission approve the design permit and conditional use permit based on the conditions of approval and findings. Okay thank you. Any questions for staff? Just a minor question is the plans usually have more of a have a page that shows the particular parcel in relation to the rest of the area and there wasn't maybe it's not that relevant for this particular application. The streetscape? Yeah it wasn't at least in my set I couldn't find anything that showed the overall site. We've got a couple of those lately in context. I think it would be a good idea. I mean this one there's no real change in any side yards or height or anything so maybe it's not as necessary. With the adjacent structures that one? Which we typically chose the street and the parcel. Frank Fenton usually catches that but he didn't catch it on here and I think I didn't notice because it was such a small addition to the adjacent structure. What's at issue here probably doesn't really require that kind of information. It'd be nice to have it though as a general practice. Frank keeps me honest with that. I usually tell applicants up front to make sure to show the outlying properties for privacy reasons. Okay any other questions for staff? If not would the applicant like to speak? If you're going to serve you want to come up to the microphone so we can hear you and then you can be on TV. That's okay. Should I sign in? Yes. Sure. Okay I'm Jim LaTorre and I've my wife and I, Kathy, bought the house recently and we are actually capitolans from back in the early 80s when we moved got married and moved to Depot Hill so we're pretty familiar with capitol and over the years. My wife has a preschool and I was a school principal and administrator for 35 years and now recently retired and we're super excited to be back in Capitola and super excited to have the opportunity to have this house. It's a really cool house in fact. I just in knowing people went to a 100-year-old lady's birthday not too long ago and I was talking to her and she said Jimmy I heard you moved and I said yeah she goes what's the address and I said 529 Capitola Avenue and she told me that her mother was born in that house in 1899. Okay. Yeah and so it's pretty cool. There's some history. It's the Canepa family who and then one of the girls married a GEO and that's Castagnolo so it's all the old-time Italian Fisher people so it's pretty cool history for me because I'm Italian and I kind of relate to that a little bit. Nice. So and the house is a really cool house. We don't want to diminish the fact that it's a historic house and has some significance to Capitola but I probably should have come with a band-aid over my forehead because there's some places I in order to get into the bed I have to kind of lean over so what we're looking to do is just to raise the roof a little bit so we can have some and you saw in the pictures how steep it is. The stairs are super non-compore me neither they're super steep and so we just want to get it so it's livable for the two of us and and so we just hope that you guys could see that that we're not trying to build a three-story monstrosity we're just trying to do what's right for us to live in comfortably but understand that we want to keep the history of Capitola there. Very nice. Anything else. Don't talk anymore. Thank you thank you very good. Well you moved in you moved into a neighborhood with a number of principals so yes you did well. Most of us don't have principals either. Yeah I won't go there but I'll bring that back to that there's no other that would like to speak which I guess we're not we'll bring it back to the planning commission for discussion and motion. I'd just like to say I'm glad you purchased the place because it was getting neglected and now it's going to survive and be restored so that's great comments so we don't have any comments and someone could make a motion if you feel like a good project to me. I move approval. Okay so we have approval we have a second. We have a second all those in favor. Hi. Hi Natum it's very good thank you and good it's gonna be a beautiful house. Glad to have you. Keep in the history. Great okay so that concludes most of our meeting now we'll go to the director's report. Yes I have three items tonight first first item is I received a letter from the architect on 1810 Warfrode and this is the property that you can see across the river they in their preservation plan they said they would be saving all of the exterior siding and what they did is they numbered every piece they piled it up and they've stored it as they're at the point of going to put this back up they've in going through the boards there's quite a few boards there's a significant amount of boards that are damaged and they're asking rather than then putting all the boards back on place or picking from the best and doing just one area that they'd like to have new boards milled to match what was existing under the criteria the community development director is allowed to approve minor modifications to a project I'm prepared to approve this but I wanted to just check in with the planning commission and see if you'd prefer that I put this on an agenda item rather than make an administrative decision on allowing the boards to be replicated but I do feel that from the evidence they provided that it would be the best decision. Didn't we do that on the Linz House? We did this on the water tower at the Linz House. You may have I wasn't involved with that this this came up at 124 Central previously as they were preparing to put the boards back they only ended up putting back a section of the boards because of the significant termite damage so this is one of the oldest structures in Capitola and the boards are not all the same measurements and when they remill them they also will make sure they're not the same exact measurements so they'll keep the funkiness of the building and the original concept but they'd like it to last a whole lot longer and that's what they're requesting so I just wanted to check in see if you'd like this to come back to planning commission or if you're okay with a development or I mean I'm fine with your judgment on this but it seems like since this is happening more than once that when we make these kind of decisions at the beginning we should kind of take this into account that when they start construction it's not gonna it's gonna be a little different than we probably think when the plans come in yeah and we stress that to applicants when they come in is if you want this you should really request this at the time of approval by planning commission yeah I think the alternative to what are their choices here but just delay the process and get the same results so I don't have a problem anybody have a problem with just in that ministry and I think there's precedent because I think we allowed that on the water tower at the Linn's house and then years ago I think when one of the six sisters was restored the one it would be the one the northerly one right I think we allowed that on that case too and we did at 124 central so it's good memory these houses are old so thinking that we're going to put the old wood back up there is it's nice but it's very optimistic like you said okay and next case next is the city has received a conceptual review application for the village hotel project so the conceptual review application is in there were some minor changes we asked in there for the actual submittals we sent them an incomplete letter they were planning on coming back in this week and they did today okay so that that is officially in so we're going to be seeing how much room we have on the agenda for the July hearing but you may be seeing that as soon as July we'll try our best because this is a big project to get that packet out and in a timely manner or if you'd like to see the plans ahead of the packet we're happy to provide those to you because it will take time to digest and they're just asking some some broad questions for the conceptual review prior to moving forward with a formal application okay are they're gonna do are we gonna do the city any special notification other than seems like we need to make the whole city aware of it's a major so we typically notice to anyone within 500 feet would your recommendation be a thousand feet or yeah I'll take about something in the newsletter yeah I mean this is really a controversial yeah they're already organizing yeah so if we could put something that maybe it doesn't have to be as formal as the notification we do for 500 feet but the city website and and the city news that are like we can do extensive noticing um I'll broaden it to at least all the the residential neighborhoods around the village not just the village and I'll have them do an article I can definitely do that yeah this is not really an issue of neighborhood it's yeah it's a whole city it's a whole city yeah yeah so we'll get it on the web page we'll we'll inform the local newspaper um as far as the newsletter I don't think that will go out in time for the but prior to the July hearing so and and the July's this is a conceptual review it is conceptual reviews so if but this is the time probably yeah I mean I would even think if we can't put in a newsletter before the July hearing that might be a good reason to do it in the August I would delay the meeting I I agree that we need to get all the input before we get too far down the road we're going to end up some so I have a question about the process this is a big deal as you pointed out and doesn't that mean that this is inevitably going to go in front of the city council it will it will go this conceptual review they've um paid the fee to go before planning commission and city council so it'll go so we're just an intermediate step well we're but we're a big intermediate step because we're the ones that will be making the decisions on the initial changes and stuff so um it will it goes to us for approval before it gets to the city council so if there's going to be any issues we we need to hear them out I think before just we just need to make sure that we let everyone have their chance to share their concerns or favor either way and just I've seen other issues there were big issues where people came in and you know petitions and this and that in front of the planning commission and felt you know oh gosh we got to do this again in front of the city council and it just seemed to me that process seems very the general plan oh i'm go ahead corny the general plan process this was really a big part of the general plan process probably biggest behind uh 41st avenue mall and so I agree with the chair that we we want to make sure that nobody feels that this is kind of being slipped through in some way or that there are hearings that they weren't aware of that from the very beginning as this thing proceeds and the city council in my experience I mean we're just a planning commission we deal with all the planning issues they deal with some planning issues and lots of other things too so they rely to some extent on what we do here and we it's not just a waste of time to come before the planning commission and then go to the city council in my experience so do you feel that that we perform a different function than the city council was do you think my thought was that you know they're going to go bend over backwards to satisfy stats requirements and then they come in front of the planning commission and then we give them a bunch of requirements and in fact that if they were to go directly to the city council maybe none of those requirements were really needed to get past the city council and so if we're in fact providing valuable either information for the city council or or a legitimate intermediate stat by I think we're a filter and we iron out a lot of the issues for they get to the city council so the city council doesn't have to deal with them I mean our decisions can be appealed but that's why we exist if we didn't have that function if we followed your route there are no reason for us to sit here well I and I understand that argument I just thought that this since this is such a big thing and and clearly all the city councilmen are all very aware of all the issues and I was just wondering if we were providing in my yeah they deal with it with something like this in general not all the time and in general at a more of a policy level a higher level and we're down kind of in the trenches dealing with the details of plans and having them come back and so forth okay so okay so we would get the idea would be we dig deeper in theory anyway and then provide a recommendation that they could really take to heart that this was a well studied decision and maybe even listen to us and yeah whether that's into it is a whole different issue but at least very yes we could do our due diligence absolutely all right fair enough thank you very good okay okay yeah and i'll just echo that in these very large projects the planning commission plays a very important role in my mind because as you see when in the larger projects the recommendations in reviewing recent development agreements in other cities and preparing for them all the strong recommendations by planning commission they may get tweaked when they get to city council and some of them may get removed or added to but it's a very important role in setting up you know your recommendation and what should be included in a project or removed from a project so and it does it and it gives the opportunity for the the developer between the planning commission stage and the city council stage at least a conceptual review to be brainstorming and have can bring up additional mitigation points when they get in front of city council based on planning commission's concerns that are highlighted during your review so with that i'll move on to the next item so as you all know from your hard work back in february and march on the zoning code update the city council has been reviewing the updates at the last three hearings i believe i've presented to the planning to the city council and during the first meeting they asked that we slow down and make sure that we have a thorough legal review of the document before resubmitting to the coastal commission so our city attorney read Galligli has been working on the review of that and i've just been bringing forward the minor amendments of things we've noticed over the year of implementation so reed's presentation will be at the june 27th meeting and during that meeting he's going to be looking at which items are an overreach of the coastal commission's power for whether or not they they're within their power under the coastal act to suggest within our document and then we'll be dividing those into two categories of which which are kind of the the gray areas that we maybe can live with and we don't think are negative for or will have a negative impact on our residents in our city and which of those items are more impactful and we shouldn't allow to occur so we'll be the june 27th meeting should be of interest and you're welcome to watch on video after or come and come and attend and in hindsight i'll just say that we went through that section pretty fast on the coastal commission and i'll bring back reports after the city council review but i'm i'm confident that after the legal review we've had such significant changes occur that this will be coming back to you before we submit it to coastal commission so at that point i'll slow down i'll go through everything give you adequate time to digest maybe we'll have a couple special meetings where it's such important information and then move forward with a new recommendation to the city council at the correct time so any questions regarding that process at this time you know okay well that concludes the director's report thank you okay very good thanks katie uh commission communications no okay we're looking forward to a car show weekend so the city will be closed down more or less for through traffic but that's about it with that we'll adjourn the meeting thank you very much but when is the july meeting oh yeah that's 18 18 because it always gets pushed because the 4th of july yeah that's what i was thank you july 18 thank you


This still happens when narcissists have new supply. It may look like the narcissist has moved on. It may look like they just rode off into the sunset and they found their soulmate and They're so much happier without you, but that couldn't be further from the truth Because they only pretend to move on. It's just an illusion. It's a deceptive appearance and impression Which they use to instill false ideas and beliefs inside your head They know how to coordinate the elements of a situation to produce the desired effects But the reality is that they're still watching you Even after you think they're gone, even after you think they've moved on And it is the reason why you still feel like they're there Why you still feel like they're around you because there's an exchange of energy They're still thinking about you.  They're just going to forget about you Because that's what you would do in that situation But that's not what they do They will still be watching you to compare themselves to you. It's a competition to see who is better And that's all they really care about They don't really love you They don't really miss you It's just in their mind. They think that they owned you So they demanded expected to supply them with your energy and emotions Because clearly they're not getting enough from their new supply They're not satisfied And when they're watching you they really think that you're still theirs They really see it as though you belong to them But they're doing this behind the scenes. They're not doing it out the open So they may even be aligned to their new supply.  It's nothing more than an invention A piece of fiction that they have created inside their minds Because they're not considering what they're doing to you and how it's affecting the other aspects of their lives Because if someone lies early on They're going to lie later on If they lied to someone else they're going to lie to you It's only a matter of time because it's in their nature. It's who they are as a person if they can do it to someone else They can do it to you But yet you give them the benefit of the doubt You accept them as honest and deserving of trust even though you feel uncertainty and hesitation Because if you catch a person in a lie, you cannot trust them You cannot have any belief in their reliability truthful ability. You cannot have any confidence in them Because their new relationship doesn't have a foundation. It's based around you It revolves around you It revolves around a lie and if they've lied before they're going to lie again If they hide the things from you, they're going to be hiding things from the new supply Because they've already shown you that they lack character That they lack any distinguishing features any mental or moral qualities or personality But it may seem real Because they're posting pictures on social media But they're only doing that to try to make you jealous And if they're trying to make you jealous that means they're probably trying to make other people jealous as well Because they already have it in them They have the ability to do it The intention to control capture and defeat you To possess or contain you because they see you as an object An object that they live by curiously through Because they can't experience their new supply directly They can only experience them in their imagination for the actions of another person Which is where you come in And it's why they're posting pictures to try to make you jealous It's like a secondhand thrill because they don't get any fulfillment from it on their own They only feel satisfied if someone else is watching But even then all they're doing is feeding off your energy Because again, they're not really satisfied with their new supply But it may look like they're happy Just as you may have looked happy when you were with them While only you knew what was going on behind the scenes But you looked happy in the pictures You were smiling laughing and joking You looked like you were having fun While at the same time you were being abused And they were directing their attention towards other people They constantly had their eye on someone else Because they're never satisfied with anything they have They may want and desire something But once they have it, they don't want it anymore They take over granted They fail to properly appreciate it as a result of over familiarity So by that point the only satisfaction they get is from getting you to participate in it By posting pictures on social media and getting you to watch it Because that's what drives the illusion You are unknowingly supporting it Which is why if you don't see it as anything special or important The illusion falls apart And then they may even stop posting pictures because they're not getting anything out of it You did everything you could To try to get the narcissist to act in an appropriate manner with you And then they just moved on as though they finally found someone who understands them Someone who's on the same page Someone who's the right person for them Someone who they vibe with Or at least That's what they will tell you or show you Because that's what they want you to think While you don't actually know what is actually going on with them All you have is their words or their public acts of engagement And you're taking that as though it's valid or true Even though you should know by now That whatever a narcissist tells you it's usually the opposite They're just projecting this fantasy onto you This system of ideals which you are interpreting as the truth Because you don't realize that they have a hidden motive There's a reason why they're doing it There's something such as a need or desire that causes them to act in a certain way There's a inner drive impulse and intention Which may not seem to have any relevance to you And yet at the same time it seems to revolve around you Because clearly they're trying to alter your perception of them They're trying to give you this mental image or concept So that you can't decide for yourself what is actually going on Because in reality most of what they're doing is just to get you to react And other than that it has no other meaning or interpretation It's just to get under your skin They're not even interested in this new person And they may not have any concerns about them They're just creating this image of them being happy Because they're trying to get went over on you They know that all you wanted when you were with them Is a functional relationship You wanted understanding a collaboration Teamwork they already know that it's what you were about Because that's what you tried to get them to do So they already know what you want Which is why they will reflect that back to you Even though they're not really about it for real As long as they can convince you that it's real in the moment That's good enough for them And you will have noticed this when you were with them How they always had to have the last word They always had to have the last say They always had to have the power of the final decision To show you that you did mess up You did make a mistake And they will do whatever it takes to prove that to you Even if they have to be involved with someone who they don't really want to be involved with Someone who isn't even good for them Someone who is bad And it's a far worse situation than what they had with you They will still stick with it So that they can hold this image of winning Of tearing you down The only purpose that it has is to hurt you There's no other reason for it It's not because their new supply is a wonderful person Although that is what they will want you to think There's always another side of them There's always an alternative scheme They just want you to think that they found someone They want you to think that they've moved on They want you to think that they're a functional normal person Because they know that's what you were about They knew that's what you were trying to be But then you got tired of them You realized that they weren't as driven or as motivated as you were Or they always had their eye on someone else They could never stay focused and driven on trying to establish something with you But then when they discard you They're trying to show you that all of these issues you had with them Are not a problem for them with someone else Because they want you to think that it's you They want you to think that you were the reason why it failed They want you to hold the emotional baggage Because now they've moved on and they may have even got married and had children And they see it as though if they've managed to do that then it must have been you Because otherwise you wouldn't have gotten that far with another person And you see what they're showing to you And you try to explain or justify it with logical reasons When it's not appropriate Because you cannot rationalize something that a crazy person is doing Crazy people get into another situation They get married and have children They start a family even while they're mad and foolish And the other person could be completely unaware of it But you only have to remember how they treated you It's a pattern of behavior and that behavior is not going to change It's just a matter of time So you should be confident that it's not what it seems to be It's only intended to deceive you To get to you To prove a point to you They will never be happy If they did then they never would have been a narcissist They never would have treated you that way They would have revealed their true intentions to you for in the very beginning And you would have known exactly where you stood with them But they didn't do that They were always lying and hiding things from you Because that's just who they are That's just what they do They're constantly lying and the lying does not stop with you You can't just stop believing what they had with you You have to stop believing everything Because although they may seem convincing and believable They do not possess the quality of being someone who you can trust Or someone who you can believe in Thank you for watching If you found this video helpful, please give it a thumbs up Share your thoughts in the comment section Hit the subscribe button to receive the notifications If you would like to support the channel You can donate our paypal.me slash Narc Surviver You can 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So we are here at Akono here, showing off the Bluetooth device right here. It's IoT made easy. Hello. So who are you? Hi, my name is Miki. And how do you make IoT easy? What are you showing here? You have all kinds of demos right here. We have all kinds of demos right here. We want to make IoT easy for the makers, for the startups, for the industry. See, this is one of our modules. Made in Germany. It's made in Germany. We are making all the electronics in Germany. And what's the chip that you have right here? So we have two chips here. It's Nordic NRF 52832. And here, with the Bluetooth 5 module, it's the NRF 52840 from Nordic. So with ranges of something like 80 meters and up to 300 meters. And you're talking about a $6.2 trillion market. The market is that big according to the... No, according to McKinsey, it's even bigger. Those are numbers from six months ago. I think the market is much bigger now. It's growing. And you have a game changer. It's here. This is your game changer for Bluetooth 5. And here's... What is the ACN 528? That's the floating chip that you just showed. That's the name of the Nordic. That's the name of our module. Of the module. Yes. Why is it a game changer? It has thread. It has Bluetooth 5. It has ANT plus. It has mashing. It can easily beat ZigBee and Z-Wave. Because it can actually directly connect to your phone using Bluetooth. Bluetooth is the way, right? You're showing here... For us, Bluetooth is the way. Android device and you are... It's the size of an eye. I mean, it's very small. Bluetooth is the standard everybody's using. For us, Bluetooth is to be. We think that having Bluetooth, you don't have to have any bridges to your iOS or Android devices. You can just directly connect to them. Having thread on board, you can have your connected home. Having ANT plus, you can have your industry solutions using the modules. And what are we looking at here? What we're looking here are examples that we did using the modules. Let me show you, for example... This one. This is interesting for makers. It's a small development board. Where you can directly solder surface mounted devices. And then connect them using a silver pen. It's very fast SMD prototyping. 20 years ago, we used to prototype with bigger electronics on these big boards with a lot of holes. And now, this one we did... When do you put the... How does it work? We use a microscope to actually see them. And then we just solder them to the single points. And we connect them using a conductor pen. And here you have ink. Here we have the ink. It's a very small device. With a battery, you put the battery here inside a coin cell. It runs on a coin cell. You have to put coins to change the picture. A coin cell. A coin cell, yeah. A good one. And here, this is our development board. It's a development board for the module. Let me turn it on. It's one of the most complete development boards on the market. You lift it up so it's very hard. It is battery powered. It has a lithium battery on it. Yeah. It has a complete charging circuit for the battery. It's e-paper, as you see. It's fast. Nice. You have a joystick. And you can, you know, you have examples. It comes with code examples to test all of the parts. How do you control the e-paper? Is it something that Nordic can do? No, we control it over SPI. The Nordic chip is very powerful. It has a 64 megahertz arm. So it's just software? Just software, yes. Is it a Cortex ARM Cortex? Is it the M4 or no? It's an M4, yes. ARM Cortex M4. So in this small area, it's an ARM Cortex M4? Yes. For example, let me show you where is it. Oh, it's a camera. Actually, you are going to see that here, infrared. Do you see that? All right. Do you have a filter? No. There's infrared stuff going on. Here? Gyroscope? So your company is based in Germany? Yes, it's based in Germany. Where? In Düsseldorf. And what's your team? The guys that are in there? My team is here. Hey, hello. Hi. What do you do? We develop all the stuff you see there. We also have a development team in Croatia.  And we like to develop IoT devices. And this is a cool trade show for this, right? Absolutely. The embedded world right here. So what's going to happen in the future? How big is your company? How many customers do you have? We are a startup. We are a very young startup. We are four people. And in the future, we are going to be more than four people. All right. When did you start? We started one year ago with our first product in the module. And then we developed the dev board. All these things already? All these things already, like here. Based on the chip. What is that? This is a smart staker. You put this part in your stake. And you get a push notification in your phone when your stake is ready. That's cool. Or here? What is this guy? It's an SPS. You put it in the Dean rail. And then you can control machines or get the signals from the machine. And show it on the e-paper. All right. Or here. You can check the watering of your plants. Nice. Again, using Bluetooth, so your phone tells you when your plants are dying. What's the price of your system? The signal price comes for the module at 12 euros plus VAT. And the price of the modules of the dev board is at 99 plus VAT. All right. But we have here 20% of discount. Is it okay if they scan my video? Yes, it's okay. It's going to be valid a few days after this fair. And people can just scan the QR code? Do it right now? They can scan the QR code and get all the stuff cheaper if they hurry up.


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Remember a simple title for Gilder Sleeves song is going to win up to $6,000 in cash Lordy tails later Meanwhile remember when you buy a margarine get the kind that tastes so good That's par k a y park a margarine made by crafts and now before we hear tonight's Gilder Sleeves story Here's the great man himself singing his song Familiar strain The haunting refrain that takes me back to days of y'all I see a chapel on the hill Springs first daffodils Reflected in the mealpond from the shore Recall in memory I First kiss in that old Drip it far apart This song We're gonna save the second course till the end of the show Let's see what's going on in the summer field when the clock strikes five at the water department the great Gilder Sleeves usually jumps in his car and Makes a beeline for home But today he's going way around by Elm Street. Wonder what's on his mind? Oh Elm Street, that's where the pretty nurse Catherine Milford lives. You bet Well, and there she is just getting out of the car I was just on my way home from the office and saw your parking. Oh, do you always go home this way? Well, you know what they say the longest way around is the sweetest way home Drock Morton you say the nicest thing. Yep. Won't you come in? Well, I have to get on to dinner. I stopped by to tell you about an important item in the paper What is it? There's gonna be a full moon tonight. Oh The weatherman says it'll rise at eight o'clock facing your port swing Really? Harvest moon. They don't come often Drock Morton, I just had an idea you did it's something you'd never think about. Oh, why don't you come over at eight o'clock? Well, I don't I'll be here. That's what I like about a nurse doesn't take along the diagnosis case Marjorie I said hello, what's the matter my dear? Oh, she's got Bronco on the brain Bronco that football player. Yeah, she's jealous. Stop it Leroy. He stood her up for a blunt Leroy What's this all about Marjorie? I thought you had Bronco locked in the stable I'd rather not talk about it, unky Bronco didn't ask her to the Halloween dance Leroy. You know nothing about this. Heck, I don't Guess who's cheering Bronco at sprimmage this afternoon Marge sugar Murphy. Was she out there again?  Oh That blonde weasel and now my dear you should have heard her Marge. Oh Shoulder that's the one you saw your passes with she's the one who's throwing the passes The boy he ate it up. He went back to the game and tried to get the other arm torn off Marjorie, please Leroy, you better go up and wash up for dinner No, no my dear don't cry Marjorie will never get him back crying your heart out the way to handle this thing is to be indifferent Don't let him know you worried Well, it's easy for you to say I never worry about any one girl There's plenty of fish in the sea you take the advice of your old uncle. You'll just ignore Bronco You think it'll work on certainly if you act aloof and independent. They'll come back to you every time But I'll just die tonight sitting here thinking about sugar Murphy dancing all evening with Bronco Well, there's no need to sit home and think about it. How'd you like to go to a show with your old uncle? I know it won't be like dancing with Bronco.  Yeah, don't worry about that. I'll call Catherine and tell her I won't be over tonight Oh, I couldn't let you don't you give it another thought my dear.  I thought the tack factory had blown up again Marjorie the bronch is here.  Oh, brother Be cold play hard to get what's that? Mr. Gillerslee. Ah, hello Bronco I said that cool is gonna be hard to get the strike, you know Well, Marge my car's outside. Let's go to the dance The movies I have another day What smart girl you can't expect me to sit home waiting just for you and I'll watch him come crawling But Marge you can't do this to me. Here he comes Marjorie, why don't you ask Bronco to sit down? He looks a little pale He has a date with sugar Murphy. Who told you that? It doesn't matter. I really don't care. Yeah, nice footwork Look Marge, this is the truth. Mr. Gillerslee. You're my witness sugar tried to get me to ask her and she's been telling everybody I was gonna take her to the dance. Well, I didn't ask her I've been planning all along to take you Marge haven't I mr. Gillerslee. Don't try to drag me into this Marge if you go out with somebody else, I'll I'll quit the team. I'll turn in my suit You could turn that one in all right. I Don't want to ruin the team. Come on Marge. Wait till I change. I'll be right down hurry up Thanks, Uncle Mort. It worked perfectly. Nothing my dear simple psychology What are you going to do you've broken your date with Miss Milford? Oh, I'll wander over there after a while if I feel like it She'll be waiting Suppose I should have phoned Catherine told her I was coming Let her worry a little do it good women love surprises I guess she didn't hear the bell. Okay, Clarence That's right. It's me. I found I could make it after all Who's Clarence?  I made another day another date Clarence Olson called. He's an intern at the hospital. Dr. Clarence Olson. Oh an intern a hadn't heard about him Well, he's been asking me for dates ever since I came to the hospital. Uh-huh. I'm sure you understand Certainly I'm not upset. I'm no adolescent. Of course not. You just have our date tomorrow night bigger moon anyway Well, uh, truck Morton, I'm afraid I can't see you tomorrow night either. Hmm after work. Do you? No, but Dr. Olson insisted on a date tomorrow night to date hog I'm sorry Throck Morton, but well, you don't know dr. Olson. He's rather impetuous He's really awfully nice impetuous, huh? He'll be here any minute. Wouldn't you like to wait and meet him? Oh, no, I'll be on my way well Good night. Throck Morton Good night. Let her go What do I care? Didn't gonna worry be any No, sir, not one bit Excuse me, madam. Oh Lamb post Prizes prizes prizes get it on this week's prizes in park a margarine $50,000 name my song contest this week alone park a margarine is awarding for $1,000 cash prizes $2,100 cash prizes $50 $20 cash prizes $2,100 cash prizes and then there's that grand prize of $5,000 extra $6,000 in all for the best title received for gilder sleeve song Simple to enter just send your song title together with the red end flap of a package of park a margarine to park a margarine box 5167 Chicago 77 Illinois your dealer has entry blanks with contest rules and the words to guilty song or Use plain paper if you prefer be sure to include your own and your dealer's name and address Write down that address park a margarine box 5167 Chicago 77, Illinois This week's entries must be postmarked before midnight Saturday only one more week after that send several entries But hurry any song title you think of might be worth up to $6,000 to you in cash Well, let's get back to the great gilder sleeve a rival for nurse Milford's affections showed up last night in the person of a young intern Dr. Olson, but the great man is determined to take the advice he gave Marjorie to be aloof indifferent and not worry So today we find him going about his work at the water department in his usual efficient fashion Bessie Bessie, let's get some of this work cleaned up around here. Where's the intern report? I mean the Olson the Clarence. Oh, never mind Mr.. Gilda sleep. Do you feel all right? Bessie stop asking ridiculous questions. I'm fine. I just wondered you've been sitting there all day with your hat on Well, I like to have my hat on sometimes you've got it backwards Well, I was thinking of leaving You seem all upset mr.. Gilda sleep did I do something no did I forget to do something? Oh my goodness If there's something you want me to do you just tell me and I'll do it mr.. Gilda sleep. Okay, Bessie go home She's gonna do it too I might as well go home too I guess Wonder if I should drive past Catherine's on the way No, she might jump at conclusions and think I'm worried Think I'll do a little reading tonight. I'll just finish this historical novel. Let's see where I left off last spring Madeleine knew that the second time sir James called he would ask for a kiss Those things don't happen in real life Still those nobles were pretty impetuous back in those days So is Olson Guess I'll go down to PB's and get a good strong cigar Didn't see anybody at Catherine's when I drove past Good evening PV What can I do for you this evening give me a couple of cigars PV On your way to a date this evening Well, no PV I thought I'd just sit around and talk to you Now how do we talk about Well PV you're acquainted with a lot of doctors in town. Do you happen to know a doctor Clarence Olson? You want a doctor There's anything I don't want it's a doctor No, I guess you don't Since you have private nerves That'll do PV might interest you to know that I'm not seeing Miss Milford for a while. You don't say something came up and I Cancelled a date with her last night and tonight for all I know she's out with somebody else Dr. Olson, I presume Well, yes Little worried. I am a ticket to leave course not Well, I look at it after she has a few dates with this young intern. She'll appreciate me all the more What nurses and doctors seem to have a lot in common well, maybe they do in a business way Yeah, they're probably spending the evening together down at the hospital watching an operation Good evening gentlemen Hello, Horace, it's a little chilly outside, isn't it? Yeah, it's going to be nice Halloween weather. I may just go soaping windows Second childhood You seem a little down the mountain and I know why oh I saw your pretty nurse with another man You did and what did he look like judge? Well as I recall he was quite tall broad of shoulder handsome a feature blonde sounds like an Olson Struck me as being quite a young man gilded. Well, that doesn't interest me about miss millford's age I guess that's a year or two younger. Hmm What nothing nothing dad Where were they not that I'm interested mr. Gildes They seem to think they're at the hospital watching an operation If they're watching an operation it's being performed on the dance floor of the summer field grill All right judge You too PV go ahead and laugh both of you doesn't worry me one bit where she is not one bit But I'm worrying just that I can't think about anything else This idea of not worrying is the worst idea I ever had I'll call Catherine the first thing in the morning and ask her for a date No, I'll do better than that. I'll drop by her house right now and stick a note on the door Hope she reads it before that intern gets a chance to date her up next week. I better mark the note rush Just tiptoe up on the porch and stick the note under the door No, better roll it up and stick it in the keyhole She's bound to see it when she unlocks the door wrote too much to get in the keyhole But I had to go all out My George, I'll get the next date with Catherine and know the reason why Well, who's that stopping in front of the house? It's Catherine in the intern I better get out of here Darn porch swing Here they come. I make a break for it now. They'll see me just drop off the edge of the porch Landed in the lily pond Feet have to get out of here Hear that I'm trapped. I'll just have to stand in it and hope they won't see me Being in the lily pond at midnight would be kind of hard to explain No, Catherine, don't try to say goodnight so fast.  I don't be silly that's a natural way than Mr. Gillerslee's hair. Oh, yes, Gillerslee works for the water department doesn't I'll have you know. He's the water commissioner. You bet. I could turn off your water doc. I Wish I could drain this pond Why don't we sit her in the porch and just swing a while? Oh go home He'd better watch it Pussy sweet What would you prescribe doctor well first I'd advise that you take preventive measures my dear Wait a ward off a cold just keep on What a sneaky way to operate Romantic it's an old port swing, especially if there's a boy and a girl in it That's what I was gonna say And look at that big yellow harvest moon over there Doesn't that suggest anything to you now? He's using my moon Get up and go Catherine my feet are fleecing Oh, please just five minutes more. Oh my goodness. I'll just have to try to make myself comfortable What's that fish in your palm? Oh No, there hasn't been a fish in that pond since we've been here. That's what she thinks We get to see Catherine now when I catch it cold like this I'm down for weeks Uncle mort can I do anything for you?  No, thanks Yes, Bertie come in You want some breakfast now? No, thank you, Bertie. You ought to have something hot. No hot No hot bro. I don't feel like eating Bertie hot lemonade. No Bertie hot coffee. Please Bertie I'm a sick man. I know that that's why you need hot liquid. All right, Bertie bring me a hot water bottle For my feet Bertie. Oh, yes Wish we could do something for you.  Well, good morning, Leroy. Come on. I'll take you up to his room This isn't Bertie's rock Morton. What? Catherine, what are you doing here? Well, she just came by to see how you were feeling auntie. Yes. How are you feeling? Oh pine pine? Rock Morton, how did you ever get such a bad cold? Well, I was delivering a letter and I stepped in a pond and puddle Well, let me make you comfortable.  It does. Try it again You do have a little temperature. Yeah Well, I'll go down to the kitchen and see Bertie. I want you to have some hot liquids hot liquids Oh, that's a great idea. Catherine. I've been wanting hot liquids all morning I'll be right back.  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Fatem a 26 Clara Avenue St. Louis 12, Missouri and 270 other winners to be notified by mail this week's contest ends midnight Saturday Send your title for Gildersleeve song together with the red end flap of a package of park a margarine through park a margarine box 5167 Chicago 77, Illinois $6,000 to the grand prize winner remember you can get a souvenir recording of my song just by sending 25 cents in the red end flap of a park a package to park a margarine box 5167 Chicago 77, Illinois This isn't part of the contest but having the record might suggest a prize-winning idea the address same as the contest box 5167 Chicago 77, Illinois The record sounds something like this second course, please Jack in my It seems a summer or feels that wonder on that we called ours hid among the flowers and Welcome cooling showers before the door Oh There's a lilac relish game Where each night we'd wait to breathe the fragrance in the air and So wherever I may wrong my thoughts Gildersleeve is played by Harold Perry be sure to listen in next Wednesday and every Wednesday for the further adventures of the great Gildersleeve Throughout the entire nation communities this month are conducting their annual community chest drive There's no need to tell Americans what the community chest is or what it does It's only necessary to tell you that without your contribution work vital to human happiness in your own community cannot go on The craft foods company urges each one of you to open your hearts to your local community chest appeal this month Remember all the community chest agencies in your community share your contribution So make your contribution generous enough for all Stay tuned now for break the bank


This could be for anyone who might want to answer, but in all of your different case studies you presented very compelling innovative ideas for how you have added value and committed to protecting and restoring ecological integrity in your cities or through this park system. When you talked about the successes of those, you talked a lot about the success of protecting or developing ecological industries or green products or focusing on community well-being, which is great. I'm wondering if, as part of doing that, the communities start, is that done in concert with educating those communities about the value of the environment and ecological integrity beyond the economic benefits? In other words, as they get the economic benefits, do they also see the science and the importance of ecological protection and integrity as well? Does that make sense? Please, would anyone like to offer a response? Thank you. I'm from Fujia. Let me briefly talk about those. So how can we better encourage our local people to our ecological protection efforts? So we conducted several work. First of all, there are people's congress. Our local people's congress have a legislation right, so we passed some regulation last year, which is the participation regulation regarding ecological participation. So for the general public, we have the legal rights to participate in the SIGA. We have some legal support. And also in our practices, we have some innovation. For instance, in order to really encourage our general public to protect our environment, to establish our ecological citizens. We have a carbon capture platform, which means that we encourage people in great transportation. For instance, we encourage you to go to work on foot. If you go to work on foot for every 1,000 steps, you will be able to have a token to encourage people to ride their bikes to work. If you do so, after a certain kilometer, you will have encouragement. For instance, you take buses or public transportation, you also receive encouragement. And also encourage paperless office work. We have a lot of online practice now in government agencies. So we have this carbon coin. So if I have 100 carbon coins, so I can use this carbon coin to buy something, for instance, music tickets. So four or five carbon coins can get me one music ticket. So we have some incentives to further encourage the general public to participate in environmental protection and our ecological establishment. Thirdly, we enhance their knowledge-based education, starting this year for the content of how to protect our ecosystem. We listed those contesting our elementary school and middle school curriculum, so that we will start to educate our school-age kids. So in above-mentioned areas, we want to further encourage our general public to know more about our environmental protection efforts. Thank you. I think I can give you a more quick answer. Actually, community awareness is very dependent on where the community is. If the community is surrounding the advanced provinces, the awareness is that they want a better environment because their basic living-hood has been resolved. But most of our ecological better areas, but usually their living-hood is still very long. In short, it's poor areas. Their priority still is making more money, getting their living better. I can see the awareness is still going up to eager a better environment, but the top priority is still economy development. Thank you. Those were really insightful, helpful answers. Please, would you like to come to the microphone? Thank you. And then Kate, were you coming? Go ahead after. Thank you. I'm Verano from Indonesia. I really want to know more about the political system. How the political system and the relationship between the county or province with the national government. Are you have like authorities or autonomous to decide that this is that we want to develop? Or you have to get endorsement from national and then you can do something in your administrative authority. So can you explore what is relationship between political and political? Thank you. Thank you. Today we are talking about ecological products and its realization of the value as well as the protection of natural resources. It is related to politics and also pretty independent from politics. You talked about political system and how we are implementing that. I think we can talk about this in two categories. First of all, the central government and the local government cooperation. We are talking about the leading force will be the central government and we will need to follow the regulations and the leadership from our central government. However, at the local government level, whereas we are abiding by the regulations and instructions, we have certain innovation or creativity to enforce what is being formulated. For instance, our general our central government want to talk about how we can make sure our green mountains and waters will be turning to profitable assets. So I believe that this will be a guideline for all our nationals and people from the international world. So we need to abide by that. So there is not a negotiation, but rather we are the enforcer and we are implementing what we are told and we are followed by the instructions. So we need to follow the instructions led by the central government, whereas we need to have our own function of the local government. We have certain creativity and under the premise of the central government, we have certain level of authorities, which is innovation. But we need to make sure that we are abiding by the ecological protection. We need to abide by this general rule. For instance, if we're doing the environmental protection, we need to follow all the guidelines where that's how we can do the green development in the 13 five-year plan. And secondly, all the different levels of the governments, we have certain creativity and innovation. So how can we transform natural resources into natural capital? So we are doing that in our authorities. And how can we better encourage our general public to do this as the previous participants' questions? So this is very crucial for us. On one hand, we should follow the instructions by the central government. For instance, all of the people will need to care about our environmental protection efforts. This is of great importance and significance. We need to have this awareness. So all our city citizens are already aware of the importance of environmental protection. We need to conserve our natural resources. This is very important. So this is a joint effort, not just the central government's officials. We need to make sure of that. And secondly, we need to educate our general public from each household to the entire community. For instance, we need to make sure that our forests have a lot of forest lands and we need to manage our water resources even more. We have to ban certain pollutants into our water season and how can we better manage the garbage from our rural areas. So this is each and every citizen in the household needs to face. And thirdly, our general public will need to know how to protect the environment. So they already experienced for a while about how their behavior will create economic outcomes because we have a better environment. Our ecological products have better value and quality so that it is more market appealing. So we will have even more profitable. So this is the outcome that our general public can see and when our environment is better we will have more tourists come to visit us. So right now our general public already enjoying the economic outcome from protecting the environment. This is why this is the relations between the central government and local government and our people. Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you very much. Excellent question. Maybe Kate. We'll have two more quick questions. Kate and John and then draw to a close. Thank you. Great. Hi. I'm Kate Braumann with the Natural Capital Project and University of Minnesota. I'm so impressed at the ambition of these plans. And I was wondering if you are able to do monitoring or measurement in conjunction with implementation and if it's possible to shift plans if the outcomes are not as good as we hope. I'm from Weizhou Leishan County. Let me talk about our efforts in our local communities. For us in Leishan County on different levels it is based on control line or red line. Once the control or red line has been set up it's been protected under the state level and local level regulations. So in our ecological preserve areas there are three different areas, three different categories. One is the core area, second the buffer zone, third is construction area. So there are three different kinds of different areas. So the core protection areas local governments do not have any discretion. So for the buffer zone area and the construction area local governments have certain discretion based on their goals they can adjust it and local governments have enough authorities without the jurisdiction of the provincial level government regulations. Let me try to answer this question. I believe that the monitoring will fall into different levels. First of all central government monitoring. So there are annual monitoring system by the central government. If there's anything that being detected punishment is really severe. Secondly local governments have certain mechanisms to monitor the progress. For Fuzhou City we have certain environmental protection regulations and goals, objectives and green development index. If we cannot meet those goals we have some punishment. Thirdly from the general public. Our general public can serve as a platform and if there's any violations our general public will report to the authorities and then we will have some punishment issued and also consensus. So the general opinion actually or media, the power of the people has become more and more severe. So there are a lot of incidents that have been published. Some violations and environmental productions, if being detected it will receive fines and some violations and punishments. Thank you so much. Let me pause for one moment. Henry do we need to leave immediately or do we have a couple more minutes? Okay then let me invite everyone to please continue the discussion outside. I know there are more questions but I would like to thank the panel. Please join me in thanking them for beautiful presentations. We've learned so much. I think we would all like to be tourists at the different cities, the county and the parks and we look forward to that. So thank you so much for making your way to Stanford.


Lagos State Commissioner of Police Ido Wu O'Wohanghua has assured the safety of the anti-Siles protesters at the third-year memorial of the protests at Lake Itoget. He stated that the situation has been stable with only one or two groups participating in the procession. O'Wohanghua emphasized the importance of citizens exercising their freedom and franchise and emphasized that they override in public interest is not to allow groups to conduct themselves in a way that threatens security, peace, and public interest in Lake Itoget and the state. And we do it in such a way that in the course of exercising that the two members are not exposed to anything, that that's what we do with them and that's what we do with them. And then, we also make it clear that for the overriding of public interest, we also do not allow the situation where these groups do not themselves in the manner that we put in the interest of security and peace around Lake Itoget and not by wrongs and across the state. We also hold the state's responsibility to balance the assets. We are trying to strike a balance and so does it.