Hey, Amy, did you get an RSVP from board member Sharon? Yes, my understanding is that he will be in attendance today. Thank you. It looks like board member Sharon has arrived. Give us one second. I am here. Chair Waco stuff is ready when you are. Thanks. Yeah, I'm not quite ready. My iPad had a little hiccup there. So if I'm ready to turn their videos on, we'll get rolling here. Looks like we're waiting for board member McHugh to turn on his video. There we go. There's John. There I am. Okay, perfect. Let's get this party started. So I'd like to welcome everybody to the regularly scheduled meeting of the design review board, city center as a design review board, February 3rd, and I'd like to call the meetups. I'm going to remind everybody why we're here pursuant to government code section 54953 E and the recommendation of the health officer of the county Sonoma design review board members will be participating in this meeting via zoom webinar members of the public can participate virtually at www.zoom.us slash join and enter in the meeting ID<PHONE_NUMBER>7 or you can dial toll free 8778 5352-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 5, 7 and enter the same meeting ID public access to the meeting is available through zoom and the public and provide comments during the meeting at various times. Additional information related to the meeting participation is available at the city's website, SRCITY dot org slash designer view board. The meeting is also live streamed on the city's website. You can go to Santa that dash Rosa dot you can also view the meeting on Comcast channel 28 and also at the city's YouTube channel. So that being said, I'd like to call the meeting to order and turn it over to the recording secretary for a roll call. Thank you chair, let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of vice chair hatchback. Alright, thank you very much recording secretary. We do not have any minutes to approve today for item number two so we're just going to keep going here. Item number three public comment. This is a time when any person may address matters not on the agenda but our germane to our purview as the design review board. So if there are members of the public that would like to just address the board you can raise your hand in the zoom platform. The recording secretary will acknowledge you and give you some instructions. So we're going to look to see if anybody raises their hand. Thank you chair why nobody has raised their hand at this time. All right, I'm not seeing anybody either Mike so thank you. So we're going to close public comment item number three we're going to go to item number four board business. This is where we read our statement of purpose out of the zoning code. This is the zoning code chapter 20 dash 52 dot 030 f project review the review authority shall consider location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan, any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines as well as the actual areas and other applicable city requirements, e.g. city policy statements and development plans. So that concludes item 4.1 item 4.2 board member reports does anybody have a board member report this evening. Excuse me, not seeing any moving on to 4.3 other, we don't have any additional business this evening. At this point I will turn it over to our board liaison, Amy Nicholson for a department report. Thank you chair waggle and good evening members of the design review board. I don't have much to report other than we expect or we will be having a regular meeting and two weeks from now for the 17th. And staff also has a request to reorder the agenda. To acknowledge 8.2 first as there's a request for a continuance there. And that concludes my report today. Thank you. Thanks, Amy. And you actually I had the same thoughts about reordering the agenda as well. So perfect. So item six is statements of abstention. So are there any board members that require an extension this evening from any of the scheduled items 8.1 8.2 8.3 or 8.4. So board members that I'm only to abstain from item 8.1 do a recent discussion of a professional opportunity. Right. Perfect. So when we get there, you'll leave the meeting and we'll continue with that public hearing and then you'll come back when we're done. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. There are no items under item seven consent items. So with that we will move to item eight, which is our scheduled items and after requested staff, I would like to reorder the agenda to address item 8.2 first, which is 8.2 West Coast self storage. Does anybody object to that reorder? No. Okay, cool. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Santa Rosa. Number two, concept design review 2875, Sebastopol Road, DR 21-068. And with that, I will turn it over to the project planner Adam Ross for why they're requesting a indictment. Thank you. Thank you. There was a defect in the noticing. On the property site in time. So staff and as to continue project planner Ross, we can't hear you. If you can act it in a closer. Oh, sorry about that. So we, there was a defect in noticing on the site. There was no onsite sign. Placed as part of the noticing requirements. So, we asked that the item be continued to date, certain of February 17 2022, which is the next regular scheduled your designer view board meeting, which would allow us ample time to process the project and and provide that requirement. Okay, thanks project planner Ross. So this time then we would be looking for a motion from the board to continue the project to a date certain of February 17. So moved. I remember that we actually need to say the full motion can't just say most, let's say so moved. Sorry, we follow a little bit. This is my first time doing this. Yeah, no, it's great. Good job way to jump on it. I appreciate it. Where's the where's the text. So you would just. So what you would do is you would say I would move that we continue item 8.2. I would move that we continue item 8.2 west coast self storage title and the project number to date certain February, February 17. So, give that a whirl. All right. Well, I, I, I move that we continue project 8.2 west coast self storage Santa Rosa, a number two concept design review. So I would move that we continue project 8.2 west coast self storage title road DR 21 dash 068 to a to a date certain February 17. And then you also have to say wave the reading of the text for everything else. We end wave the reading of the text. Perfect. Good job. Board members have awesome first motion. So with that, we'd like to see a second. Okay, seconded by board member Sharon. So we've got a motion and a second any discussion on this item before we go to a roll call vote to continue to date certain are we we don't need to do a vote do we. I always mix this up. Since you've already got a motion and a second, we can just go through. And let's do that. Thank you. Yeah, sorry. Let's do what you said. That sounds good. We'll start with board member birch. We're never make you. You're muted John. Hi. Remember Sharon. What members steps. I remember Wolskie. And chair Nigel. I motion to continue the items. Perfect. So motion item 8.2 has been continued to February 17. Thank you very much. Board member staff for your first motion. Well done. So with that, I'd like to move back to our public hearing, which is item 8.1 for canine companions, early development center design review, dr. I'm sorry 2965. And the board member staff has left us temporarily while we consider this item. And so before we move into the staff presentation, this item does require x part of disclosure. So I'd like to just go through the board. Does anybody have any x part of disclosure on this item. Seeing no x part of disclosure on this item. I also have no x part of disclosure. So we will move to the staff report, the staff presentation. By it looks like senior planner Chris. Good to see you. Thank you, chair Weigel and members of the designer of the board. Let me share my PowerPoint. So the item before you is the canine companions canine early development center 2965 Dutton Avenue. The project description includes the development of a new canine early development center, a tonight clinic and animal hospital that are all related. The canine companions operations. Specifically the project would be located on an approximately 2.98 acre area, the northern portion of the existing 12.87 acre campus existing buildings are part of the canine companions for independence campus. To the south of the project site and, and those buildings will continue operating multiple canine companions functions. So the project is located in the southwest quadrant of the city. So south of Saddle Road. Here's a little bit closer aerial showing Coleman Creek bordering the west side and Dutton Avenue on the east. The majority of the work would happen in the northern portion of that site where it's currently just grassy big land. General plan and zoning is light industry and light industrial, which permits the type of uses with a minor use permit. And this shows the project area the site plan has been turned counterclockwise and showing the project area you can see the creek at the top holding Creek and Dutton Avenue, the bottom. And here's a site plan showing where the new project is located in the veterinary clinic building. It's important to note that the vet clinic and boarding would be for canine companions facility operations only and not open to the public so it's ancillary to the work that they're doing on site. I'm just going to briefly scroll through the elevations because the applicant is going to go through them in greater detail, but just to give you a taste, I guess, north west southeast this is the smaller veterinary building. And then this is the larger complex, including the trash enclosure, and they've also provided a landscape plan which should be in your packet as well. I'll give you a brief history of the project this this this this did come before the designer view board, the applicant voluntarily presented the project for the design review review board to offer comments and suggestions on the project. In February and then May 27 staff presented the project to the waterways advisory committee. So they may advise the zoning administrator and the designer view board as to whether the proposed expansion is consistent with the citywide creek master plan. And the general plan goals and policies and design guidelines for development near waterways. They did not have any major comments or concerns on the project. And on August 10, a notice of intent to adopt a mitigated negative declaration or MND was posted and circulated for a 30 day public review period and opportunity for comments from the public was given. And on January 20, this year, the zoning administrator adopted that MND and approved the minor conditional use permit for the expansion of the kennel boarding facility. Last time this item came before the board. There were several comments given to the design team. They're bulleted here. Did a good job of creating utility and a sense of community continue tying into existing sites. The three points are appreciated, make the utilitarian buildings be nestled in the overall campus. The site is the site plan is good. Explore different facade materials detailing to create interest in architecture. The fountain, which is part of the landscape plan and is a project detail fountain is good. Incorporate fun things in the central plaza space for the dogs to explore and mark. Blue roof with yellow gutters could work consider a metal roof. And more colors more yellow. Consider deep earthy toasted mustard color. The lower CMU level. Great color contrast lower level deep colors. Consider stepping up planters to 18 inches to two feet so people can sit on them. Consider a different monitor element at the entry to open up the ceiling to let light in. Make the campus a unique expression to be bold with colors and architecture. That's all I have to present for you because the applicant will go into detail about their specific design and their design choices. So, with that, I will stop sharing the screen and pull up their projects. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate that. So we'll go to the applicant presentation now. And then we'll go to public comment as it is a public hearing. So we have to open up the public hearing. We'll do the public comment at that time. And then just as a reminder to the applicant, please state your name. The project. We appreciate that. Thank you. So we're going to go to the applicant presentation. It looks like we've got some hands raised for the applicant. So we'll go go to that. Hi, this is Paige Mazzoni and the CEO of can and companions. I'm just going to give a brief overview of the purpose of this project and then can the Frank here architect. I believe it's going to go through the plan a little bit more. So we are a provider of highly trained high quality service dogs to people with disabilities. Our dogs are provided free of charge. We are a nonprofit. Our organization is national. Our headquarters are here in Santa Rosa since 1975. This facility is built on our headquarters campus on land that has been there since the beginning of the campus was donated as part of the original site. And this building is critical to our future in that we purposely breed all of our dogs so that they have a high propensity to succeed as service dogs since the demand far outweighs the supply of dogs. We have to give people all of our breeding for the entire nation is done in Santa Rosa. So this building these two buildings one will be a state of the art vet clinic to allow us to continue to provide the best possible care to our dogs. And as Christina said it is only for the dogs within our program we do not provide any care for public dogs or even pet dogs of employees. And then the other building is a canine early development center where we will be able to have breeder dogs have welts for puppies and provide the highest level of care to our puppies and through their neonate through about probably 12 weeks. It also will be a site for the research that we conduct we conduct a great deal of research we are known as one of the top researchers in the service dog world. We conduct research on things like canine cognition and impact of service dogs on veterans with PTSD and on children with autism. We were the only organization to be able to complete the research with the VA that has now resulted in veterans with PTSD getting benefits for their service dogs. So the building is crucial to us and to our moving forward. And it will also be a place where people from the community can come as volunteers. And we have a large number of volunteers many of them older who find our community a very engaging way to have a lot of meaning and value in their life. And so this center will also be a place where they can come in for gatherings for classes to do volunteer work and to bring in other people in the community. So, can I will hand it over to you. Great. Good evening. Thank you designer view board for posting us again for the second time. Just to circle back we had been in February as Kristen a stated and we had a long time circling back to this February. Due to an environmental review process there's a small wetlands on the site so if you're wondering why it took so long that's the that's the reason. The project team is on the call tonight so I'm going to go through if you will the design from an architectural standpoint. I'm going to go through the project team McDonald from Adobe engineering is here to answer any civil questions. And Don McNair is a landscape architect and he will go through any landscape questions you may have. So, personally, I wanted to thank you I know you're not feeling well I appreciate you bringing this back today. But if you can take us to the site plan I think you control the sheets I don't think I can do that so there you go. And as Christina described the buildings that were proposing or the north end of the site they round out the campus. There's a connection through to the balance of the campus but the activities that will occur at this end are a movement of a least space across the street if you will so what the CDC will provide is a project that's being done in least property across the way in an older building and this will allow them is paid set to expand what they do but the main elements of the project the driveway that's shown in the lower left portion of the drawing off a building is existing. That's the main drive into the property. The two new buildings obviously the CDC and the vet building comprised you know in the 35,000 square foot range will have a new driveway on the north end of the property. So circulation through the property in case you can speak to this more if you'd like to go over it works very well the bulk of the parking we have and what we call the back of the property or on the west side. I think we lost the applicant Ken LeFranchi there. How about now can you still hear his sound. I speak now. Mike, do we have any technical problems on your end. I can hear the applicant, I'm not sure. I think it might be you, Drew, I think might be me that hang on here. So chair waggle I'm speaking now I don't know if you can hear. Can you hear us Drew. Let's take, let's take a minute or two to try and figure out this audio issue. And do a sound check. Maybe Drew is trying to connect his headphones here. He is on Nicholson do you want us to take a recess officially or just take a moment. I think let's just take it like a two minute recess. Thank you Mike. Thank you so much. Thank you. I think you would like to test your audio for us. Yeah, I think I'm back online here. Mike, for some reason, my headphones just decided to disconnect from my computer. So I guess I won't be using my headphones. What was the, the timeframe on the, the recess there, Mike. We just did a two minute recess. Okay. At this point where staff is right. Okay. Yeah. Sorry about that. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about that meeting. I apologize for, for my technical difficulties. This evening. So Ken, if you're, you're ready, whenever you're ready. Ken or, or Dawn or Casey. Sure. My, my fear was that we just board you to death and you were trying to get off the call. So. Glad you're still there. Not at all yet. My, my headphones just decided to, to stop disconnect and stop working. So there you go. Okay. Okay. Anyway, in between the two buildings, there's a plaza, central plaza area that has. That has a water feature. Which is directly. South of the vet building. Excuse me. Used to the vet building. There we go. Try to do it over here. It would be like a full. Are you hearing that feedback or is that. Mike, you're okay. Now you're muted. Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Okay. Sorry about that. So central plaza area with the water feature that it's a cast concrete feature that John Don's going to describe a little bit, but it's really a cool element to the project. It's going to have cast bronze puppy statues. In it as the water slowly flows down and it'll be a nice central area calming device in the middle of the property. So, Chris, if we can move on to the elevations. You know, I think that the gist of the feedback that we got. In our first round of design review was in. I was refreshing to have it happen was that we were being too conservative with the look. And then, you know, the designer view board suggested more pop and more. Folly was one of the words that came up and more punch. So you'll see a little bit of on this building there. This is a wood frame structure. The vet building that we're looking at now. We had initially proposed a slate roof over the entry element. And then lightly muted awning devices over the windows. And based on design view feedback, we actually capture the colors. These are the. These are the canine companions marketing colors are the blue and the yellow, the blue roof. That we're going to have it's a standing scene metal roof. We're going to have the yellow roof. We're going to have the yellow roof. We're going to have it slightly less bright than what you're seeing here. But we were asked to provide punch. So this is along the lines of that. And then the yellow is also their company color. It's a very bright yellow and adds a lot of life to the building. So Kristen, if we could go to the other elevations of the elevations of the other building. This is the area where it's much more apparent to change. And again, I realized that only a couple of you were on concept with this. So we're going to have the blue roof. And all of the lower blue areas were proposed to be a slate gray roof. And now we've changed it all to a blue metal roof. And it has a lot more excitement in life. And we're really excited about seeing it.  The building again in this case is a. Stuck building. There's a Wayne's coat of concrete block around it. And on the, for instance, on the south elevation, the concrete block walls that are partial height, those are concrete block enclosures where the puppies and dogs can play outside. They have glass in them so that not only can the canine see out, but visitors or trainers or the veterinarians can see into the building or into the play areas where the dogs are. We also, again, to liven it up a little bit, we added the yellow stripe near the top of the concrete block walls. And then we added the green edge pet that mentioned that, which we thought was a great idea and we're really happy to do that. It really livened up the exterior of the building. We altered the front elevation just a bit. So on the west elevation, the larger element, the roof lines, as you can see in the north elevation, they carry all the way back to the building now, which again, from a perspective standpoint or a 3D shot, it's going to add a lot more life to that central area. So, again, we added a lot more life to that. And then we added the view from the central plaza area to the building itself. The materials again are fairly simple. Again, stucco exterior for the most part, but a fair amount of concrete block because of the play areas for the dogs that are outside. So I think I'll stop there and turn it over maybe to Don McNair. He can speak about the landscaping and then we can circle back to answer questions. Yeah. Yeah. I have a couple of questions right now that you'd like me to respond to. No questions. This is Don McNair. McNair landscape architecture. Perhaps you could go back to the, the site plan again. Preferably the planning plan. Yeah. Maybe next one. One more. I'm sorry. There we go. Basically. Everything we presented at the previous meeting is still the same. There were a few minor changes. At one point we had tree grates in the square openings. In the plaza area. And the suggestion was made to provide a more seating space and more vertical interest. So we put seat walls around those three trees near the CEDC building. And we put a singular wall on the, I guess it's the Easterly side of those four squares at the parking lot. So those are not in totally closed with wall, but they're just enclosed on one side, I should say or bordered on one side. So it provides more opportunities for seating. It's not shown on this plan, but there is, there is site furnishings proposed as well. Garbage receptacles, benches, et cetera. The, you know, I think that the plan is relatively self explanatory. So I will, you know, just maybe see if there's any questions out there. I might, I might say that the, all the plant material is dog friendly. There's nothing toxic here. And, you know, by nature of the facility, we didn't want to do that. There's a couple of lawns. So able to get a little exercise if needed. And we've got a couple of spaces in here that are called dog relief areas, which are hopefully obvious areas where dogs can relieve themselves. So generally speaking, it's, it's very much what it was before, but just more, it's virtually built out all the plants are called out.  Oh, I do want to add one more thing. Pardon me. The fountain can can mention, there we go. This is the concept image of it. And basically, you know, the idea you can sort of see them in the background there. And that narrow part of the, the we're kind of pulling away from the circular fountain is where these presumably these puppies, bronze puppies would be in various acts of play. And, you know, ideally there will be water splashing around them and it'll be hopefully a very dynamic fountain. And, you know, very interesting. The original concept was to have a mother dog watching over her pups, but I know this may have changed in the, in the recent past where we're looking at an artist who has a concept as well. So I can just confirm that it's still a mother with puppies. Okay, thank you. I'm shooting in the dark there. That's good. Yeah. I like the concept myself and I think it's, I think it's going to be great.  Questions. So actually, what, what we've been doing, Don is we go to public comment first or, you know, and then we'll bring it back to the applicant and staff for questions and then we'll go to comment. So does that conclude the applicant's presentation at this time? Yes. Okay, awesome. So what I'd like to do then is I'd like to open up the public hearing, which point we would invite members of the public to make comments on the project before them. And so please raise your hand in the zoom platform to be recognized by the recording secretary for your comments and you'll be granted three minutes for your public comment. And that's pretty much it. So we'll, we'll go to the recording secretary now for public comment. Thank you. No one is raising their hand at this time. And I will get to you and I'm going to ask if you can remain throughout this process. So I'm not seeing a mad rush to raise hands. So I'm just going to ask, did we receive any late correspondence via email on this project? No, we didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. That I'm aware of. We is on Nicholson. Did you receive it? No, I did not. Cool. And then did we receive any. Voice mails at the planning department for this project? That all. We did not. All right. So at this point, not seeing any hands raised, not having a late correspondence or voice mails. I would like to close the public hearing. So what that means is we're going to bring it back to the board. So we're going to start with the general process of the applicant and staff. And then we'll move to comments. Which, you know, we'll, we'll do via kind of our normal process in terms of in. Doing a motion for the project. So, but first, I'd like to go to questions. So. Board member Birch, do you have any questions of either the applicant or staff about the project? No questions at this time. Thank you. Board member Sharon. Any questions of the applicant or staff? I do not have any questions. And Board member Wolskie. Any questions of the applicant or staff? No, no questions. Cool. And then the only question I had was I didn't see a. Light. The light analysis plan. And I had a question. Light. The light analysis plan. And I just could have missed it. In the package. So. Maybe it can has an answer on that one. If it was included or not included. We'd. We didn't do a photometric, which I didn't realize would be required at this point. We, you know, all the lights are downcasts fully shielded. But I don't have anything at our disposal now as far as a question. I don't have anything at our disposal. I don't have anything at our disposal. So my apologies if that was supposed to be part of the package then. And I believe it is. It's just part of the standard kind of. Design of the package. But if it, you know, and I think it actually might, it might be required. For the building permit. Because of the city's light ordinance. Am I correct in that more member birch. Remember correctly. I believe that's true. We did get a trash enclosure design, but I don't think it's going to work. I don't think it's going to work. I don't think it's going to work. So perfect. All right. So. That answers my question. So I think can what we'll do is we'll probably just end up conditioning it to include that. At least. From my perspective. And I just be a reminder. To get that done. It's not a huge deal. I don't think. Okay. Easy. So. All right. Cool. So we're going to go bring it back to the board again here and this time. Okay. So we're going to go back to the board again. We're going to go back to the board again. And make a motion to approve the project. We can make a motion to reject the project. And we can make a motion to continue the project. So at this time, I'd like to open it up to the board to see what they see fit in terms of emotion that they'd like to make. I'll make the motion to. Approve. Design review for item 8.1. Canine companions early development center. Design review. And then we'll go back to the board. So I'm going to go ahead and do a motion. You can just type that in Avenue D R 21 dash zero. One three and wave the reading of the text. Cool. Can I get a second for that? I'll second that. All right. Thank you, board member, McCue. So this time we have a motion on table that's been seconded. So I'd like to bring it back to the board again and provide commentary on the project. And so I think I'm going to put a board over sharing in the hot seat tonight. That's great because I've probably seen this the most of anyone on the board because I did see it last year and then on the waterways advisory committee also sat there. And it's true. Thank you, Ken for pointing out that only a couple of us were on the board last time this came around. It's been, let's turn over lots of great new faces though on the board. And thank you for a great iteration and package applicants and Kristen a clean to me and thank you for the presentation of course and good to see you. And I don't have too much because I feel that you've incorporated our previous comments very well. It's a great, you know, evolution of the project. And I think that it provides great visual interest. I think it's going to provide great services. The is great to see the next iteration of the landscape. And I think this will be a wonderful project and I think that you guys have done a really great job. Yeah, this would be is a wonderful asset to the community and I was a, I looked up on the website to kind of cross reference the colors and got a little distracted by the video of the puppies in the graduate on the front page there I highly recommend everyone watching that you want to get some warm fuzzies and a little tear in your eye. Very good. And I'm glad it works. Yeah, got me so good stuff. And yeah, so great job. And thank you very much for a great project this has been a, you've been great partners throughout this whole project so thank you very much. And I'm going to turn it over to board member Wolski. Yeah, so I'm, I'm really pleased with the project. I've gone back and looked at the, the last meeting and it seems like everything was incorporated that was requested. And I really appreciate the addition of the seat walls and the fountain I think that makes for some really good place making and makes it more interactive of the facility not just utilitarian. I love them. And I appreciate page going over what can I and companions does and the research part about when I looked at the floor plans and saw the breeding rooms I didn't know that was occurring. And that's exciting research that you're doing with PTSD and service dogs. So thank you for that. That's it for me, chair vital. Thank you, Sheila board member birch. This is the first time that I've seen this project back on the board now. So I did read the comments carefully I thought that they were well directed toward creating some excitement the existing campus is very much a product of its times and very stayed quiet. I mean, it's not as bright from from the street sort of way, but I think with the mission of canine companions bringing in the branding colors was a was a great, you know, license to give the design team, and I think they followed through really the colors do come off a bit strong as, as Ken mentioned, but the color board really won me over. It's a nice deep blue with a little powdery, just off dark. It's not as bright as it appears in the rendering so I think it'll make a very handsome roof line. And then the really fantastic sort of brand on on brand color of the yellow is going to be going to be great. So it's going to be a great entry to the campus. I think for canine companions. The plan is thoughtful. The execution landscape design on dawn's part is great. Just really nothing but nothing but positives on the project. I do agree should come back with a photometric plan. I'm sure that that's a huge part of canine companions operational strategy being that they've got volunteers and employees they're probably at all different hours taking care of animals walking animals that sort of thing so I'm going to go back to the photo metrics and the appropriate lighting is level of lighting is really important but of course the in the building permit don't need to make sure that we meet all the requirements of the city so but other really a fantastic project even a trash enclosure, as we like to say, and very supportive. Thank you. Thanks Michael and board member McHugh. Comments. Thank you, Board Member Michael. I am impressed with the project. I appreciate the color scheme. I am glad that the applicant follow the recommendations of the board. And I think you did a fabulous job. I really support canine companions and good work that they do. And I think it's a great project. And so I guess I would. The only thing I would support would be again the the lighting and I forget what you call that drew. I don't remember what you called it. It's, it's actually called a photometric study but okay in the design review application documents it's called an exterior lighting layout. And I would support them doing an exterior lighting layout. And those are my comments. Cool. Thanks John. So, it's funny. All of the things that you guys addressed in large part were Warren's comments actually funny enough. I was rereading through the things. And so it's unfortunate that he's not here with us today, because I think you guys hit off on everything that he, he originally kind of commented on in terms of, you know, the colors and the CME block and kind of balancing some of the elements. And I think he was the one who who made comments about places for the dogs to mark specifically. And so I just I when I read that I just kind of thought about Warren and it made me kind of chuckle a little bit. So yeah, I don't have any other additional comments when I reviewed this. I thought to myself, good job. Great project. They listened to the original comments made by the board and came back the project that's better for it, which is I think what we love us to happen on this board. And I'm not going to single you out. Ken and team, but I did want to take this opportunity just kind of remind everybody. The city of Santa Rosa on the website it's called the planning planning planning form planning application portal. And on that is the design review checklist and you'll note that there's a major design review on the last page project plan set components it does say exterior lighting plan sheet, and it's got a check mark next to it as required for major design review. There's a number of other items required.  So I did want to point out that you did an exceptional job providing all the required documents, including kind of the mitigated neck deck and go into that whole process. So I want to commend you and it's, I think sometimes it's, it's maybe it seems a little nitpicky to say, Oh, well, but you forgot the photometric study, but it is required because of that light ordinance we do have in Santa Rosa for project containment. So what I what I would like to think we would add is just shall provide photo metrics shall provide exterior lighting layout as required by the design review checklist. And that would be it is a, can I get a friendly amendment to add that condition to the project. That is not the motion or the seconder so that would be. I'll make a friendly amendment to where the applicant to provide the applicant shall provide a external lighting plan in accordance with the city of Santa Rosa's design checklist. Awesome. Thanks, Adam. Does the motion or accept that friendly minute. Yes. Does the seconder accept the friendly moment. Yes. Cool. And so, before we do a roll call looks like the applicant can Frankie has his hand raised. So we'll go to Ken and just double check to make sure that that condition is acceptable to their team before we finalize everything. Yeah, that's what I was going to what I was going to note that you know we like my wife would say you never get the checklist right so you know we were close but I get it so we'll have it on the we'll have it on the plans for plan check. Perfect. So it seems like that's not an issue. And so move forward and we'll do a roll call vote now. And hopefully we'll get you guys on your way so I'd like to turn over the recording secretary for roll call vote. Thank you. Hi. Board Member McHugh. Hi. Board Member Sharon. Board Member Wolskie. Hi. Chair Weidel. Hi. Adam passes. Yeah, just five miles. Yeah, five eyes with Vice Chair Hedgepeth absent and an abstention from Board Member Steff. So, applicant Mazzoni has her hand raised. Yeah. I'm just going to say thank you very, very much. And thank you for the very kind comments. This means the world to us. I also just want to take this opportunity to thank Christiane who's been amazing. And also, Ken and Casey and Don and the whole team. This is a huge part of our strategy moving forward to help more people with disabilities. So guys just helped a lot of people now and into the future and I invite you all to come by and cuddle with puppies anytime you want. I will make it happen. You now know me so that can happen. So you are welcome to come and thank you very, very, very much. And thanks for the kind comments. They mean a lot. Thank you. And Ken, did you have one last thing or did you raise your hand by accident there? One last thing. I just, again, I want to reiterate what Paige said, but I really want to thank you as a board. I know there's been some turnover, but I look back at the original comments and I really do think, and this is not, I really do think it's a better project having gone through this process and I pulled this closure. I worked for Mr. Hedgepeth for one year. It was a very interesting year. He's a very creative guy, but please pass on low GM and thanks for his comments. I think they really did help the project. So, appreciate it. I wanted to jump in really quickly and follow up on your comment, Drew, that it's nice to see a project like this with such a wonderful mission and Warren's fingerprints will be on it forever and it's appreciated from me. Yeah, complete. Yeah, the commentary on the water feature and being able to sit on it. That was all him. I just, it came to me and I was remembering the project about kind of the comments that happened at the time and was reading through them and I'm like that that's definitely Warren saying all that stuff so really cool. So thanks again, applicant team and we'll move on to item. Well, actually we're going to take a little five minute break so we can bring Mark staff back. And so we're going to move on from item 8.1 and when we come back in five minutes we'll move on to item 8.3. And then we can get Mark back on the line so he can participate in the next two items. So we're going to take a break five minutes. Hey, Drew. Yeah, I'm going to have to drop in the next 45. So I'm going to, I'm going to step out now rather than then jump into the next items if that works for you their concepts. Yeah, as long as as long as a well we have for without you so we're good. Yeah, I counted. I counted heads. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks for remember a channel. Good one. Nice. Come back up 530 everybody. Michael. Okay, it's 530. Everybody could get their screens back on here. And we'll reconvene the meeting hopefully with a board members that there he is. Okay, so I'd like to reconvene the meeting now that everybody's back and we'll move on to item 8.3, which is heritage commerce center. It's a concept design review. Located along North Point Parkway zero North Point Parkway is what it's listed as DR 21-061. And I think we'll turn it over to the project planner Susie Murray for a staff presentation. And then does the applicant also have a presentation Susie. Yes, they do. Cool. And then both of these items I believe are the same applicant team. Is that correct? Yes, they are. They're the same applicant team. The same area. There are only a few parcels apart. So there will be some some pretty good similarities here. I'll go through the first one. And I think that a lot of your comments will probably be applicable to the second one as well. But we'll go ahead and start with heritage. If that's okay with you. Yes, that would be perfect. I just, I wanted to just make sure that that we were moving along. And so we'll turn it over to you for your staff presentation. Thanks. Okay. Let's see if I can't share my screen. Can you guys see my screen? Yep. Yay. And am I in presentation mode? You are not. Yeah. So you're in, now you're in presentation mode. Notes. Notes. Oh gosh, I switched screens. You know what you guys hold on one sec. I was trying to make it so I'd be looking at you rather than my other screen, but hold on. I'm going to swap them back. Is that better? No. We're looking at, we're looking at your desktop right now. Oh, that's scary. Okay. And it organizes icons. I wouldn't be able to find anything. Okay, bear with me just a sec here. I'm sorry. Okay. Are you still seeing my desktop? Nope. Okay. Okay. So, yay. The project, the first one, like I said, is the Heritage Commerce Center. This one is located further west on North Point. This building, or this project proposes to build a commercial building that's about 75,000 square feet. The parcel size is about four, just over four acres. It's comprised of two parcels and it'll take access off Mariner Way and North Point Parkway. The only requirement or required entitlement is design review and this will come back to the board. Here's an aerial of the site as it looks today. There is I believe that's paved a paved portion in the center. And it's adjacent to Rosalind Creek, which important to see here is that that Rosalind Creek separates, actually for both of their sites separates these properties from residential to the south. So the star is the property that we're talking about now or the site that we're talking about now. Just to give you some, yeah, context in the neighborhood. We've got commercial industrial to the west to the north and to the east and then again residential to the south. These are the two sites that are before you today. This is the one we're talking about now. The general plan land use designation is general industry and the general plan or zoning is general industrial which implements that land use designation. Here's a site plan and I'm just going to zip through this because I'm pretty sure this is on the applicants presentation as well. I'm going to give you a sample elevation of the north point or north elevation, which will be facing north point Parkway and the applicant has a full nine yards on theirs. So when I prepared my presentation I hadn't received any public comments at this point I have received one. There was an individual from the residential neighborhood to the south. I am hoping that he is chosen to attend the meeting. His comment was that he wanted to be sure if industrial uses were going in that there would be some sort of separation. There was no noise involved the sound wall and if yeah depending on and some sort of screening, if not. So, with both of these concept items, they neither one is considered a project, the request for design review board to provide comments and direction for a concept design review is exempt from the California industrial quality fact because there is no possibility that the action will have any effect on the environment. So with that, the applicant and planning and economic development department are requesting that the design review board provide comments and direction for the heritage commerce center. And for anybody who's listening by a telephone tonight and cannot see the screen my name is Susie Murray again. And my contact telephone line is<PHONE_NUMBER>. And my email address is SMURRAY at SRCITY.org. And that concludes my presentation. I'm happy to bring up the applicants, unless the board has questions for me. No, Susie, I think we'll wrap questions of the applicant and staff after we do public comment, kind of like we did just did for the public hearings to try to streamline everything. That's fine. Bear with me just one sec. I'll be a little quicker this time I hope. No, it's all good. We're all struggling with technology at home, right. Okay, back to share screen. So, as soon as we get this up if the applicant could raise their hands in the Susie, we got your screen again. So you may want to redo it. If the applicant could raise your hand so that the recording secretary can grant you permission to speak. And then as a friendly reminder, please state your name and your relationship to the project when you begin your presentation. So, I think we're almost at having the applicant presentation up and we have it up so I will turn it over to the applicant now. Thank you. Thank you very much. This is Jose McNeil. I'm the development manager for this project. Thanks for taking the time. This is our start for this project conceptual design review. The architect is RMW out of Sacramento in San Francisco. Our contractor is DevCon construction out of Petaluma in the South Bay. This is I think the fourth project we will have worked on together. This site is right off North Point Parkway. It's designed to be a industrial warehouse project. 74,000 square feet or so. Utilitarian in design. We're incorporating all the willow standards for landscaping. We will have an exterior lighting layout. Unfortunately, we have no puppies to discuss on this one though. So, we'll just have to bear through with just the usual warehouse and components. Project will be about 28 feet clear. So, the total height will be about 35 feet or so. The elements, as you can see, we're going to use glass as well as paint and some relief through design of the project to break up the project. So, it's more palatable and more functional. Glass typically up front and then gray doors on the backside. Susie, I think we can go to the next slide. And by the way, Susie, you're doing so much better than me. As I told you, if I were in charge of this so. So, anyway, so, oh, I wanted to go back. So the, this is this is all part of the old runway system for the Navy training base. So that big swath of concrete you saw was part of the old runway. And that's applicable to the next one we'll talk about as well. We're purchasing this project from effectively the Avi, which is the building in between. And trying to trying to match up what what's out there for business park type of setting. The project as you can see, coming off North Point for one entrance and off a mariner Parkway for the other circulation around the building for some trucks. And when you're designing a building, you try to bank it as utilitarian as possible to include all the elements you can, but really without a tenant, it's it's you're guessing what's going to what's going to fit. And then also trying to incorporate to the to the area and match up with those things that will take effect and help work in the landscape plan is is. We have a later on, we have a list of plants that will that we're going to be able to show you that it can go in again they're all matched with we low. And all the retainage and water retention areas and things are shown here with the light blue so for a storm drain and not storm drain. I think we can go to the next slide. Again, it's this is the the the boldness of the plan. You can see, yeah, that's that's that this is just the overall sides showing some dimensions and things. And then the the doctor centered the backside of the building. That would be facing that wouldn't be facing the creek side they'll be facing the adjacent building so it will be screened from the street and from the from the creek area. And then the next one I think is a some some better elevations of all sides, starting at the top. Just some typical 10 sides, we'd have or propose obviously the sign ordinances would have to come into play there. The next one is the the rear side view of the project, a couple grade doors and doctors, and then each side showing the elements there. Again, the idea is to do a chromatic paint and paint scheme and and match it with the glass as well to give a great look at kind of a little bit more of a business park technology type of look to it. The elements are all cold out as far as the paint colors, and also the glass in the finish legend that's there. And I think we can go to the next one. Again, our plant legend or shrubs or ground cover, all we low and then also again repeating the finish legend. And that's the last slide Susie if I'm if I remember. And with that, you know, I have the design team and the contractor on on available and to answer any technical questions, and also to come back and hear what you guys would like us to do a little bit better, and we look forward to some of the advice and direction so that we can come back in for a final design review with all the elements matched up to the desired effect here. Oh, thank you so much. After me. Excuse me, McNeil. Great. Is that what you said? Correct. Yeah, awesome. So I think what I'm going to do is we'll go to so generally public comment is not required for concept concept review, but we like to open it up to the public to provide their public comment so we're going to go ahead and do that so the applicant team can mute themselves over to public comment and it looks like we do have a hand raised. But again a reminder if you'd like to make a public comment on this item only, please raise your hand, and the recording secretary will recognize you, and you'll have three units to speak, and please stage name and name for the record and potential relationship to the project if you have one, like you live across the street you live in the neighborhood, you know, it just kind of helps staff. When they start organizing the public comment so with that I will turn it over to the recording secretary. I'm not sure why but we do have one hand raised Max Wendrick. I'm glad you give me permission. The time I will start when he starts speaking. Good afternoon. My name is Max Wendrick. I live on Edgewater Drive on resident on the one who called in. One I got to say thank you for having the loading doors on the side of the building. I just had a newborn and the noise and all that and keeping it down and not having it face us is greatly appreciated. I was wondering if you would be able to put in like shrubbery or trees. I understand the sound wall is really expensive. Just to kind of break up when you're walking that trail on the along the creek there.  And it's kind of unsightly but having just seen where your property lines are in relation to where the I guess the county or the city owns. I don't know if that's even even possible. At this point so that's all I had to say. Maybe my would should take it up with somebody else to go further down but that's all I have thank you for my time. Thanks we appreciate your comments. And so not seeing any other hands raised. I'm going to bring it back to the board for questions of staff and applicant before we go to any commentary. So that being said, we're going to keep with Adam in the hot hot seat tonight for questions, not comments. So Adam, you're first. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you for presentation. Thank you Susie for the staff presentation as well. And just one question. I just wanted it's a more of a confirmation. We don't have any other kind of landscape plan other than the site plan in the first page, and then kind of the teaser with the plan list. Is that correct. In our package that we have. That is correct. Thanks. I just wanted to make certain I wasn't missing something. Thank you. Thanks. Okay, thanks, Adam. Board member Wolskie. I don't have any questions. Thank you. Thanks Sheila board members staff any questions of staff or the applicant. No questions for me. Thanks. And board member McHugh any questions of staff, you're, and you're still muted John. Just so you know. I have a question I was curious about. Why you chose the color palette that you have chosen. Could you give me your thoughts on that please. I defer to my world famous architect if he can be recognized. Jeff, if you're there. If they let me board member McHugh, if they let me pick colors, we're all being trouble. So I defer to my architect on that. Thanks. Yeah. There he is. Sorry about that. I was using my. Yeah, we've got some really bad feedback on on you there. So maybe I don't know. You wanted to unmute my speaker. Okay, it sounds good now I think I think we're in business. We're almost there. Hold on. Good evening, everybody. This is Jeff Lenhart with RMW architecture interiors. And thank you very much for seeing the project tonight as a preliminary review item. The question was about the color scheme. The color scheme is a neutral scheme with intention. As a speculative warehouse project. It's usually advantageous to try to have a color scheme that is the most neutral in such a way that when a client comes along with particular logo that has a often have colors to them. It's usually advantageous as an architectural project that is speculative in nature that the color scheme is not necessarily leaning one direction or the other in terms of too warm to cool to the reds or to the blues. I'm not sure what the answer is to the color scheme, but is the color scheme or the color scheme the color scheme, and I'm just wondering if it's the color scheme that's the green grays, or the safe place to be in. I'd be happy to answer any other questions that come up. John, does that answer your question. Yes, thank you. Perfect. All right, so. The architect could mute, probably help there, there we go. Perfect. I have a question of, I guess, staff. Susie, you may be able to help me on this one. Because this is adjacent to Santa Rosa Creek, does this also have to go before waterways at some point in time before it comes back to us for final design review or major design review rather? Yes. They will both have to go to waterways. Waterways is required. Concept design review is optional. They're really looking for direction, including Board Member Sharon's comment about the landscape plan. They're looking for direction on that, and so that's the purpose here. They want to. Sure. Totally. I'm just trying to get my head around any additional, just prepping for when we see it again, and then do we know if there are any additional entitlements right now in terms of environmental reports or anything like that? At this time, are we still too preliminary? We're still pretty preliminary. The environmental reports, that's really the sequel finding that you're talking about, and we don't know the level of that yet, but this is MacDabbin, the Center of Tiger Salamander Territory, so I think that biological assessment will tell us a lot. It's always my advice where to start, so from there, we'll find out. I don't know that they would qualify for an exemption. I don't know that they wouldn't. We're very preliminary at this point, and we'll schedule the design review is the only entitlement to answer your question. Waterways Advisory is an advisory committee, and the sequel finding will be required for the entitlement. Then I guess there's not a master EIR that the city did for this area like it did for the area to the east here. That's correct, right? I believe there was a South-West area development plan. I don't know if this is in that area. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I believe the general plan superseded that as well as the Southeast area plan. But as the project moves forward, we will certainly address that in the staff report. Cool. Thanks, Susie. I appreciate that. Yeah, I was just trying to think in my head where we are, what's next thing. Again, thank you very much for that. All right. I think that wraps up questions from the board. We'll go ahead and we'll go to comments from the board on the design of the building. And John, do you want to go last again before me? Yes, please. All right, awesome. So I think I'll keep Adam in the hot seat tonight because he's the longest standing board member here this evening. So yeah, solidarity, my friend. So you're up. OK, excellent. And once again, thank you. And I'm glad that the neighbor chimed in. I don't know if Max is still here on the call, but I was going to reference the trees as well.  In other areas, we've got the Wildland Urban Interface. And here we've got kind of the industrial residential interface right across the creek there. And so I think being a good neighbor, it will be appreciated by the residents next door. And because I imagine that Creek Trail gets a fair amount of use as well. There's a lot of families that live over in that neighborhood. So the building, first off, I think it's a very tastefully done utilitarian building. And utilitarian is not pejorative at all. This will be good use for whoever you do get in here, I imagine, and you're providing flexibility for potential tenants as well. So I think as far as the form and the massing go, it serves your purpose well. And I think that you've got a well thought out tasteful building. I enjoy the color palette and the detailing that you have. I like the grays. I like that the nice nod towards some color with the green is nicely done. And having it with the glass too is a nice detail as well. You could have just gone all siding and kept it really flat. But creating something that is utilitarian and tasteful is noticed and appreciated. Moving to the site itself, again, I think you're maximizing the site well. You're keeping flexibility. You've got the truck ingress and egress. You've got the western part of the site on the Mariner Way side. You also have other, I imagine, more kind of office-y types of entrances the front of house. And I think that probably just because of the site layout and how it is with the cul-de-sac there, but then it's nice to have the truck side be as far away from the neighbors as possible. So I think that that's a good choice on your part. And it probably is sort of necessitated by what you have. So yeah, my question about the landscape plan, even though we are in concept design review, it's appreciated to have, you've fleshed out the building and you've got a color palette and you've got the materials. But with the landscape, we'd like to see the same level of detail and thought go into there, because it gives us something to react to in a good way. And so just to know that you're thinking about things, there are things like with the tree list that you have, I want to commend you for this is one of the first projects in years that I've seen that doesn't have the crepe myrtle. So nicely done. My little hobby horse. And I don't know, do you guys have any landscape architects on staff or on board? RMW, do you do the exteriors in-house as well? I don't know if he's doing it. Mike, it looks like the architects raised his hand. There we go. Okay, doing my best to reconnect here between the phone and the computer. Thanks. And thank you so much for those comments. This is again, Jeff Lenhart with RMW, architecture and interiors in Sacramento, California. Can you repeat the question again? Sure, yeah, no, I still have some more comments. I was just a quick question of whether you have a, you do a landscape design, landscape architecture in-house where you have another consultant. We will have another consultant for that. Can you guys hear me okay? Gotcha. Okay, yeah, thank you, that answers. And so I'm certain that all of this will be thought later on in the process, but for conceptual design, we like to see some of this thinking, mainly in terms of how the tree layout will be, potential tree layout will be on the perimeter of the site. So screening, things like that, where the tree layout will be in the large trees will be in terms of the orchard style parking, how it will relate to the stormwater treatment and bioswales, and then how it will fit into the neighborhood as well. So just kind of general massing of trees, the larger aspects. I do appreciate that you've thought about the palette and just keep going with the course of the low water use. And for when you bring to the Waterways Advisory Committee, I'm on that as well, along that Southern buffer, that Southern strip, you certainly will get comments to be pushing the natives along there to compliment the riparian neighboring ecosystem there.  But the palette is a good palette. I would have liked to have seen just a bit more detail in terms of massing and particularly those larger pieces. But I think that you guys are on your way, continue working your way out from the building and thinking about the site, because that will affect, yeah, thinking of urban heat island, you've got all this concrete, but if you have those large trees that are out in those archer style parking, that's gonna make us happier from a design perspective. So things to think about. But this is a great start. And yeah, I think that you guys are on your way for a good building and a good project. So thank you. Well, thank you very much in return. Those are great comments and we'll certainly take them into account as we move forward on the project. Thanks, yeah. So we're gonna bring it back to the board here and Jeff, if you could just kind of possibly just stay on the line here. There may be some questions from other board members as they start thinking about some of their commentary. Typically with our concept design review, in the past we've kept it kind of loose in terms of having kind of a discussion kind of back and forth with the applicant. I think this dates back to when we used to meet in room seven at city hall, which is kind of like a small meeting room before we moved to the council chambers and then obviously eventually now in the virtual space. So, but anyway, that all being said, I think we'll go to board member Wolskie. So Sheila, your comments on the project. Yeah, I think it's a clean look for this kind of utilitarian function. I do appreciate that the loading dock is on the side. And I guess my only concern is having that real white color underneath the roof line. Usually when I'm driving around or walking around and looking at buildings, that's where all the dirt starts to settle off the roof. And it tends to get black and look kind of dingy and need a lot of maintenance. So while I don't mind the color palette, I think if you could get something maybe different where the white is being used, that's what I think. Thanks. Cool, thanks Sheila. And so we'll go to board member Stat now for his comments on the project. I would just echo the comment made by the member of the public and also Adam regarding the landscaping, particularly around the path and river on the south side of the building. From what I can see in the photos, it looks like the Avi actually has a pretty nice green hedge or green screen behind the back of their building. Perhaps that could be continued. But in any case, just highlighting that as a key area of attention going forward. Otherwise, again, I second the fact that it's an attractive utilitarian building. So that's a good phrase. Thank you. Thanks board member Stat, board member McHugh. Yes, I like the overall design of the building. I understand now why you chose the color palette that you have. I would tend to support the comments of my colleagues, but I think it's a good design.  So thank you. Thanks John. So that brings it to me. So I mean, yeah, it's a utilitarian building surrounded by other utilitarian buildings, right? At least on North Point Parkway on kind of the south side. I guess it is a concrete tilt up building. So it's all one material, which I guess I'm not in love with. I was just browsing some of RWM's other projects where they've done similar kind of process or warehouse facilities where they've just kind of provided some pops of material at building entrances or at kind of feature architectural elements. And I think, I don't know, this feels like it needs a little bit of that, a little bit of that infusement of that design while also obviously maximizing the footprint on the interior. So I think I'd like to see some, I don't know, one or two other materials, maybe around entrances or maybe around the kind of the corners to highlight it. In terms of foresighted architecture, which is something that we talk about quite frequently as it's part of our design guidelines, I actually think unfortunately the west and the south elevation fall flat on their face in that regard, the east elevation and the north elevation are quite interesting and they've got a lot going on in terms of glazing and sunshades and variation in color and signage and just kind of a lot going on. There's not any real depth to the project in terms of obviously, because it's a tilt up construction. So there's no real kind of depth or relief to the building, which I understand given it's kind of a speculative warehouse building, you wanna maximize square footage, but I think you really need to look at what that south side is gonna be doing architecturally and also from a color palette perspective and the same with the west side being the loading dock and I'm gonna agree with everybody else. I think it's advantageous that the loading docks are on the west side being that that's an adjacency to another building of similar usage and it doesn't face the creek or the street for that matter, so it's kind of tucked back and hidden. To that end, I really think you should vary the color of the overhead doors to kind of mimic what's happening on the north and the east elevations in terms of the color variation with the windows. I think that could be kind of a nice way to kind of discuss all four sides there as opposed to just kind of going flat gray with it, but again, taking the palette and just providing an alternate color at the overhead doors there at the loading dock. And then, I mean, I understand kind of everything along this row is cream and beige and tan and gray and if it's a speculative building that's kind of the same deal, I'm curious if maybe green glass isn't the right choice, if another color maybe, I don't know, just a thought. And again, I think if you introduce an additional material like you've done on so many of your projects that kind of add a layer of interest and depth to that project, I think that might go a long way to maybe de-flattening, unflattening the facades as it were. So anyway, I think that pretty much rounds out my comments. I mean, it's a great renderings, great elevations, really easy to understand what's going on, obviously, and I appreciate that coming to us, which makes it easier to comment. So thank you very much to the applicant team and I would echo, we'd love to see a more developed landscape plan and I'm gonna reiterate again a more robust planting design specifically along Santa Rosa Creek on the south of the property to kind of match what's going on elsewhere. And actually we just had a project east of Stony Point, which was a housing project that did a significant amount of planting along the creek as well and probably what I don't know, six months ago, Adam, you think? Might be, I don't know, maybe something to take a look at just to see kind of what they did. Was that Stony Point flats? Yeah, I think it was Stony Point flats. Right along the creek, yeah. That's right along the creek too, yeah. You can do it in August, it's a nice reference. And applicant, you can look back at the roster of projects that have come before the Waterways Advisory Committee to get some good examples too of how to treat an adjacent to the waterway. Yeah, and there is a, I mean, it looks like they've addressed the riparian setback as well as part of the design. And obviously this still needs to go before fire, but it looks like that's kind of accommodated as well in terms of the loop around the building and all those sorts of tricky little fiddly bits. So I think those are my comments too. So generally what we do after the comments have been given to the applicant is if you guys have heard anything that's kind of like completely undoable, a showstopper, a needle breaker, that sort of thing, we like to hear that because it may be something that is a cost preventative measure, it's informative for us. Or if you're like, hey, all sounds great, we'll take it back to the drawing board and make a couple of tweaks. We also like to hear that too. So I'll turn it back over to the applicant just to kind of just get some feedback on what you heard from us and then we'll probably move on to the next item. So yeah, thanks everybody. This is great comments.   Our architect, landscape architect is a Sonoma resident and she's working on the plan. Just we got it a little bit too late for this, but suffice to say, we'll make you all proud. We won't have any puppies though. I want to keep saying that we can't have any puppies on this one, but we'll have enough there. And then I think the relief on the building with some, it won't be articulated because anytime you add a little angle to the building, you add costs and that's where I come from. But also there is some relief with some design elements and we're gonna see what we can do as far as incorporating a couple other things. And again, four-sided, I understand the concept and it's always tough with the dock side of it to introduce that. And as we get to the next project, which I don't wanna add, there'll just keep in mind the landscape that we can do between the creek and the building. And that will be robust. So that's other than that, thank you all. And Suzy's done a great job with us on putting this together. So we welcome your comments and when we get back to you for the final design review, hopefully we'll all just get through it real quick as well. So thank you for this one and look forward to going to the next project and walking you through that one. Thank you. Awesome, so I think we'll move to the next project. I did just wanna mention to the architect, the project I think that caught my attention on the website was Metropolitan Van and Storage and Napa. I thought the way that you guys address the entries on that was kind of interesting and unique. And so maybe just if that gives you an idea of kind of what, where my brain went, at least in terms of how to potentially kind of address an entry point or create some depth along the front. It looks fairly minimal in terms of some additional items. But again, I'm gonna leave that to the applicant team to kind of figure out it. It's obviously not a requirement, but it was just something that I thought was unique and interesting for an otherwise fairly utilitarian building. So we'll close item 8.3 and we will go to item 8.4, North Point Commerce Center Design Review, Concept Design Review, zero North Point Parkway DR 21-063, and we will do the staff presentation. So Susie, I can see you and we're ready to go. Yay. Okay, so here we are, North Point Commerce Center just down the road. And this one proposes to construct an approximately 115,000 square foot commercial industrial building. This one is a 6.8 acre site and it's comprised of four parcels. It'll take access off both sides, Kingfisher Way and Thunderbolt Way. Again, this one will be required to go to Concept Review with the Waterways Advisory Committee, the only and the only entitlement at this point is design review. And I say at this point, because it depends on the use. If there's a use proposed with the building or when there is, we'll make that determination if it requires a use permit or if it's permitted by right. But here's an aerial view of the four properties you can see Kingfisher Way on the East and Thunderbolt Way on the West. And again, the aerial view and the surrounding, whoopsie, there's the site and the, oh shoot, I didn't put the surrounding properly. I think you know, residential in the South, all other sides have the commercial industrial uses. Actually, and up to the North, Northeast, there's more residential up there. So both properties are in this area of light gray which is designated as general industry on the land use diagram and have the implementing zoning district, general industrial, so the zoning is consistent. Here is their site plan. And again, I'll fast forward through this because they'll be talking about it. I gave you the North facing elevation again and you'll see more of that in the next presentation. I max, I don't remember his last name but he was the caller that I heard from and not applied to both projects. And again, this project is not a project because no action is being taken this evening. And again, the applicant and the planning and economic development department are requesting that the design review board provide comments and direction for the North Point Commerce Center project. I'm putting my information up on the board but I'm not gonna read it again. I'm dizzy. So let's just go straight to the applicant presentation and I guess Jose, if you, actually let me do a little quick poll of the board here. Board, do we, does Jose need to do a full presentation or are you guys kind of comfortable with just kind of a quick overview about how this building kind of differs a little bit from the other one. And then we'll just go into questions and comments, just kind of boom, boom. Does that work for everybody? Just give me a thumbs up, thumbs down. All right. That's it for me. I'd like to hear some specifically the rationale about the site. Yeah, that's kind of a fundamental difference is being primarily the site. And then there are some architectural nuance between the two but I think there is a large fundamental site differential. I mean, the project typology is the same. It's tilt up country construction. It's a giant warehouse with loading docks and parking right. I mean, primarily it's the same sort of structure. So anyway, I'll just turn it over to Jose here and we can get kind of a description on the site development, I think. Yeah, again. Addressing for and then any unique nuance related to the architectural design. Yeah, again, it's similar. Again, trying to hit the rhythm of how things are being developed now. It is concrete tilt. We're using both paint articulation. On this one, we had the opportunity to slide on and you'll see on the site plan on the bottom right view of the Northwest corner. That's at an angle. So it's going to add us, give us some elements that we can play with for entrance and different articulation there. These large panels that are on the side, I think actually Jeff was channeling his use of the metro building that you were talking about earlier. Thanks Jose, that is correct. Yes, the corner panel there, which is a tall vertical panel, is breaks up the plane into the building and stepped out two feet from the rest of the plane in the building and has a cast in place return on the edge of it to re-engage the building. Yeah, and as I say, as a developer, Cha-ching, Cha-ching, but it works on this one. Anyway, so this kind of gives you the element of the office entrance here. Again, not knowing who the tenant is as we've talked through a couple of times. We've had a couple inquiries already on this building, which is actually great at this point, when we're just starting to plan it and all would be in fitting with the use. We try to avoid having to get a conditional use permit because it's just time and time is an element that we all understand a little bit more now. Again, using paint, glazing, the other elements that Jeff described with some articulation of this building will help break it up. We can go to the next slide, I think, Susie. I apologize, this is going so slow, but these are huge slides. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and yeah. So anyway, the overview kind of gives us, I'll address the cat in the room that yes, we do have the doctor's backing on the backside of the building. That's what the site laid out for. As we design buildings, you fight with maximizing the site and what is leasable and what's gonna be acceptable to the marketplace. Under this one, I can tell you the landscape on the back of the property. You can see on the, on the, gosh, that's the south side. I'm trying to looking for my cue here. Yeah, down here, not only will we have on the borderline here landscape trees and a heavy, we're gonna attempt to mirror what the Avi has next door. I wanted to get to that right away, but also we have the pathway and then also some planting already that's there. So we'll have some staging of different elevations of trees as we go in, so we can work on that. Also having the two cul-de-sacs and utilizing both of them so that we get good circulation, we can keep the trucks in the back away from the pedestrian cars, which is always good. I always joke about how truckers and cars collide once in a while and it's always around the docks. We did show us some additional parking in the back, but typically what will happen on the use is employees will park up front and the trucks will be utilizing the back. Again, we're thinking out loud as far as who we're gonna get. Is it gonna be one tenant? Is it gonna be two tenants? Could it be three tenants? And the answer is it depends. But we're trying to utilize the great area for landscaping around it. Again, willow is the key for everything. Stormwater retention is a key for what we have to do. Sliding the building on the Northwest corner there and creating a little bit different angle was created for a couple of reasons. One is there's a drainage easement on that side so we couldn't build over it. So we had to bring the building back and slide it around, but it does give an opportunity for an entrance there that's a little bit unique in today's world. So we took advantage of that. I think we can go to the next slide, Susan. Again, this is just the design of the building showing you some articulation of the building where the dock doors are. We have four grade level doors in the back as well. And again, I know one comment I was gonna say, we did go through when we first started planning this project through the different departments. We had a quick meeting. I forget what we call that, Susie when we passed her around the table and got the fire department and building and planning to kind of look at it to begin with. So we have gone through that to make sure we check those boxes on what the hot buttons are for those departments so that the circulation element is there. I think we can go to the next one, which, yeah, again, this shows you where we are on both the front, which would be fronting North Point, the backside fronting to the creek. And then the two sides, you can see some articulation on the east elevation on the panels there. And then also the element that Jeff talked about on the west elevation with the, I'll call it a column. It's probably some colonnade or some other architectural term that he's put in on this one. And then- It's really good, Jose, keep going. Okay. And then also the shade elements over the windows as well. So I think we'll go to the next one, which will go through the palette of the Finnish legend, very similar to what you've seen recently. And again, the landscape architect is working on the plan now with these trees, which are, again, Wilow, and we're very familiar with that, having developed in Sonoma County. This will be our first project in the city of Santa Rosa, but carrying through all of that. And you notice there is no crepe myrtle because I'm tired of that as well. And trying to get some interesting trees that'll grow and thrive in this environment. So with that, I think we can just kind of get back to the wonderful discussion we've been having. It's been great, so. Okay, so we'll bring it back to the board now for questions of the applicant and staff. Since we just saw a very similar project, I'm just gonna say, does anybody have any questions of the applicant or staff? Raise your hand. Seeing none, we'll go to comments and we'll kick it off with Adam. So comments on the project, Adam. Okay, dope. Yes, thank you. Thanks again for everything you did last time and with this project as well. And yeah, my comments on the building are similar because it's very similar, at least in terms of color and furnishings. I do like the monoliths that are attached to the building there. I think it's a nice touch. So aside of the architect on this one, sorry, developer, but as designer, that's what we do. So. Yes. My question, I'll just go right to this site question that I had. Yes, unfortunately, you did recognize right away that it's a good neighbor side of things. You've got the trucks in the back of house there, which are right across the street or across the creek from the neighborhood and in particular the playground that's there. That's one thing that catches my eye there. And so I wonder about noise. I wonder about emissions in particular.  But I'm just, you know, it's, you've done, I think your touches with the, with not just having a rectangular building, you've got that drainage management, of course, which is constraining you. But I think it does give you a nice, it gives you some leeway to play with things. And that's, I think probably where some of those, you know, those kind of monolith elements have come from. But I wonder if in the back, if a little bit more space can be found, besides that what you have on here is just that strip of stormwater retention, the bioswale. Again, this is where the landscape plan, a little more fleshed out would be really nice to have. I understand time constraints. It's good to know you've got a local landscape architect working on things. I'm certain that she will do a great job. And also I would kind of prod her towards thinking of those tree species along, really thinking about them along that back edge there. If you can find a little bit of space, maybe, you know, another five feet, 10 feet, move the building farther north. I mean, you can take it from that sidewalk strip potentially that you have up there. I know that what you're doing kind of matches the typology with the avi over there, but to take some of that and kind of graft it onto the back, one could compliment the creek a little bit more. Two, if you've got pretty hefty truck traffic, whatever tenant you get in there will, you know, with the backup beeps and the emissions, you'll have happier neighbors across the way there. And it's just being a good neighbor in terms of that industrial residential interface. Something to think about, I understand the constraints of the site. You've done a good job. That drainage easement is real tricky to work around, but there's a way to kind of grasp some of the space from the front and put it into the back, you know, not much with your landscape architect, thinking about the tree species, ones that will grow quickly. The Quercus Lobata Valley Oak does that. It is, however, deciduous. So thinking about a mix, you know, you could have faster growing valley oaks with say coast live oaks or some other non-deciduous tree, that's something that's a little more evergreen, that will also work with the riparian vegetation. Something to think there, to really provide some good visual sound emission buffer with the back of house there. Yeah, I don't envy you with that drainage easement. It makes for some interesting angles, but it's probably frustrating to work around. Yeah, you don't have any puppies, but I did notice with your site photos, very nice job with getting really moody, foggy, eerie photos, so the site photos are very evocative. So no puppies, but good job there. And I did notice interestingly enough this is the last two pieces of that, the eastern end of that runway there. So just kind of an interesting thing to think about. That will do for my comments on this project. Again, I am encouraged with your direction, same with the last one. And I think you guys are well on your way. And yeah, this is, these will be good additions to the neighborhood. So thank you. Thanks, Adam. I'm just going to tack on something you said real quick. I happen to notice the south side too. On the previous project, you guys had about 15 feet, and on this project looks like you only have 10. So I think that's kind of what Adam was referring to in terms of kind of lining them up, if you will, in terms of that riparian edge and planting. Anyway, so we'll turn it over to Sheila now for her comments. Yeah, it's fairly similar to the Laos project. So my comment about the white paint continues, and I also agreed with a lot of Chair Whitell's comments on the last project, which I think applied to this project. There are a couple of elevations that look kind of flat. I was also thinking about the back of the beeps or where the loading dock is, and usually those decibels are really high. So if there's anything that can be done to address that for Parablasso Park in the neighborhood to the south, I think that would be a good idea. And that's it for my comments, thank you. Thanks, Sheila, appreciate you. Board Member Sapp, Mark, you're up. I'll just echo a couple of the comments. That chamfered edge on the front, I don't know if that's the appropriate term, but it would have been a pain to work around that drainage area, but it led to an attractive facade. So nice handling of that. And then I'll just repeat what everybody else has said about the south side of that building. It's not an ideal site, but figuring out some way to handle that on behalf of the residents across the creek is important. So thank you for your attention to that. That's it for me. Thanks, John, you're muted, John. Very simply for me, I mean, I support Adam's comments with regard to the back, and also perhaps maybe, you know, your comments regarding, you know, getting another five feet, you know, so that there's the same amount of space in this project as the other one. And so I like the design of the building. I think it's a little more interesting than the other one. And those are my comments. I think you've done a great job of putting this together. And whatever you can do to make the backside of this particular building more palatable for the neighbors, I think will be a good thing so that you don't have neighbors when you come before us again, complaining about the fact that there's going to be trucks moving about on the backside of this project. So those are my comments. Thanks, John. And I think you could probably take the comments I made on the last project and just pick them all up and carry them over and drop them on this project too. With the exception of, I think, probably that I think there's a little bit, there is a little bit more elevation on kind of the North Point Parkway side of things. The kind of the tall wall elements are kind of interesting. I just was kind of scratching my head about that just being kind of a concrete with paint. I'm like, I was kind of like, what if it had, I don't know, Trespa or wood or I don't know, something like that. I think I'm always interested in just, I don't know, maybe one more material on these because they are kind of one note materiality-wise. Whether it was all stucco or all concrete, I think I'd probably feel the same way about it to give it that kind of depth and relief. I was kind of thinking about one thing on this project and it's probably just a hair brand idea because the adjacent build, well, at least to the West, all of those industrial buildings do have their loading docks on the South side. So it's not like you're doing anything that's different necessarily from those, but I guess I was just kind of scratching my head a little bit but this probably doesn't work and it's probably not an efficient use of the site but what if you took the buildings and cut them in half and rotated them 90 degrees and did something in the middle? I don't know to try to, but it probably won't fit and you'll lose usable square footage. So like I said, it's just probably a hair brand idea because what you've done here is the most efficient use of the site in terms of the footprint of the building, the kind of the passenger vehicle parking a lot in the front, the fire egress and the loading egress on the rear. So again, probably just a hair brand idea. I did have one question, I guess on the parking and I was kind of scratching my head on this one. So on the East side at Kingfisher Way, the parking lot aligns with the adjacent, like the parking entrance, I guess is what I should say, aligns with the property to the East, but on the West side at Thunderbolt, the entry does not align and it's offset as a, and it's kind of offset and I understand why from kind of a site circulation perspective in terms of pulling in and being able to approach kind of the front entry of the building with your ADA parking and kind of allowing a customer to say come at that point and enter. But I wonder if it may cause a little bit of a unnecessary clog in there because as you know, I think sometimes one second, I have to mute my children are being. Sorry, so I know I've been to these kind of industrial business parks before and when you have this kind of offset parking, it creates a wrinkle that I think is sometimes difficult to navigate because from time to time, there are people who are going to both locations if that makes sense. And so the easier it is to egress across between parking lots off of a busy street like North Point Parkway may be beneficial. So it's just a thought there, but I do understand why you did it in terms of approaching the entry in that way. I mean, you could flip the entrance, but then it kind of creates a weird dead end condition at the entrance of the building, which is probably not ideal, but again, just a thought. So does anybody have any additional comments on that applicant team? Do you guys have any thoughts for us? Anything sound? No. Yeah, this was a... So again, all your comments are straight on. I mean, we get it, we understand and we're going to be good neighbors on creating the buffer. Again, I think also we have to look beyond what our site is because we get that. We got the element next to the creek as well with some mature trees. So we're looking down not obliquely at this thing so you can probably see. When we come back, we'll probably have some better elevation pictures that'll give you a better sense of where this is gonna go. On the five feet, we're gonna work to do what we can. One of the things that we have to achieve, and I think also this goes to the chair's comment, is the retention detention situation with water and creating the elements that you need and where they need to be. So I think that's probably what we did there. Again, the way this thing lays out between the two cul-de-sacs with the existing old runway. It's kind of a unique site. We're getting down to the last few industrial warehouse distribution type sites in Santa Rosa. Not a lot has been rezoned for this. So we're really coming back through and trying to utilize what's available. We're very interested in making the project attractive and interesting. I mean, that we get the shot to do that now. We hear what you're saying. I think you're gonna find out when we come back with the landscape plan, you'll go, okay, these guys get it. We understand what we have to do. And the type of plants and trees.  So during nine months out of the year, it's great. And all of a sudden you see this building. So, you know, we get it. We understand how to articulate those. And then the thing I've been trying to say through the whole deal is we have reveals. And again, it doesn't go to, you know, different types of materials, but the reveals that we do on these buildings, especially on the tall elements, that'll be an interesting breakup and create some different shadows and things for the building. So that'll be helpful, I think, as well. And we'll work on that as well for the next time. But again, I just wanna thank Susie and the staff. It's been great working with them. They prepped us pretty well for this. And again, as I told Susie, she asked if I was gonna be in charge of the PowerPoint. I told her, no, there'd be a disaster. So that she was able to take that and maintain control. Jeff will probably have a couple of things to say. And I don't know if Danny or contractor has anything to say. But again, we get what you're saying. We understand it. We're gonna come back with a project that's gonna meet all those things. And I look forward to doing that on short measure. So, thanks. Thanks, Jose. This is Jeff with RMW. Can you guys hear me okay? Great. I just wanted to reiterate what Jose just said we really appreciate the thoughtful and thorough comments you gave us based on what we've shown you, which is preliminary. But I really appreciate you guys taking the time to really take a good look at it and give us so many great pieces of feedback on it. You guys have brought up a lot of good things on this project. And I want to give you guys credit for doing that because that's not something that I observed that always happens in these kind of preliminary review meetings where we're actually looking for you guys' comments and we appreciate you guys giving us some feedback that matters on the front end. So I want to just really thank you for taking the time to do that. And I look forward to bringing back a project that you guys can support. Cool, thanks. And I just realized that we forgot to do our public comment. So, for this item in particular, so we're just gonna open up public comment for this project. If we could do that real quick, make sure we get anybody who would like to speak on this. There are three minutes. And again, as a reminder, not required to since it's not a public hearing, but we do like to offer the public the option. Generally it does, if the public is speaking, we always find out something new and interesting about the area that a project's being proposed in or also a unique feature maybe we weren't thinking about. So we always entertain public comment. And I'm not seeing any hands get raised. So let's go ahead and close public comment. So I apologize for not doing that earlier. These projects kind of blend together a little bit. Same development team, same applicant, same area, everything. If only they were on adjacent parcels, right? Yes, that would have been much, much easier. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That wasn't lost on me. Yeah, awesome. So I think that concludes item 8.4. So thank you guys. Thanks to applicant team. Thanks, Susie. And we will go to item nine, which is now adjournment. So I would like to adjourn our meeting and we'll see everybody in two weeks. Have a great weekend. Amy, anything else? No, thank you. That was a great meeting and see you all soon. See you next week or two weeks. Have a good one. Bye. Peace.