Hello my fellow sniffers. My name is Marlene McCoy and this is Picasso and I kind of have with me a special guest star but if I show her to you it's going to make the video really hard but I'm going to try to do it. Hold on. This is Jersey. She just wants to sit here and be cuddled so I interrupted that. She's such a good little bird down here but I don't know why. She never wants to be in the video. She gets so restless and if I let her get restless without sitting here and petting her then Picasso is for sure going to leave because he's been chasing her everywhere. But all they really do is walk around this floor and he follows behind her. It's the cutest little thing, right Jersey? Today's story is going to be about none other than Hurricane Harvey because it's been mass destruction for so many people I know. Also, I want to tell you about what happened to Ty, my lesser sulfur-crested cockatoo and how he took the hurricane. So many of you are asking me this on Parrot Station under other videos. Even though I always feel like I answer you, I think there's so many different spots that I communicate with you guys so sometimes some of you miss it. I thought it would be a good idea to tell you the story of Hurricane Harvey and Ty through my eyes and what it felt like being here in California watching all of this live while my family is struggling in Texas. For those of you who have been following my channel and my story and my posts on Parrot Station, you know that my brother lives in Texas with his girlfriend, Cio. He calls Cio his wife. I don't know if they went and got married one day, but he always refers to her as his wife. They've been together a very long time, something like nine years now. For sure I'd love to go to a wedding one day, hint, hint. My parents also live in Houston, Texas. My dad lives there with my mom, although my mom is not in Houston, Texas right now, but that is where their home base is and my dad is in fact in Texas and was there for the entire hurricane. So here's how things work in my family. My brother and Cio include Ty and absolutely everything. They just recently moved out and got their own place. They were living with my parents for a while. And since my parents weren't there, it was kind of like they were living alone because my parents, as you guys know, are often in Ireland or often here. Finally, they moved out, moved their furniture over there. Cio set it up beautiful. On Friday night, I was at Tracy's house and I get a text from my brother saying, I'm on Periscope. My brother is a huge fan of Periscope, although I don't know if Periscope completely took off. He believes that there's so much untapped potential in Periscope. So when he goes live, I always follow him and want to see what he's doing. I'm also his biggest fan and supporter. He's a complete comedian. He's done stand up over here in Los Angeles. And I just love to watch him and see what he's going to do next. So I logged on and he had a new name. So I'm looking for it, like trying really hard. His name was Nightcrawler. So I'm like Nightcrawler. OK, there are six Nightcrawlers. I literally befriended them all until I found my brother online. So if any of you Periscopers are named Nightcrawler. I'm your new fan. Finally, I find him. I see he's kind of driving the town. He's driving through Houston. It's late at night. It seems like he's doing reporting, honestly, driving down the streets, reporting if there's any debris or damage, engaging kind of like a weatherman. How much damage he thinks there's going to be, which I find kind of interesting and people logging on or interested in it. I watch more of his Periscope and that's really it. The next day is Saturday and all of the rain starts. And I want to call my brother and see how things are. But the studio that I'm filming at has no reception at all. Not only that, but it seems like they block every single app except for Facebook and Instagram because I don't know if you guys know, but that is a thing. You can do that. So basically you can hashtag where you are, but you really don't have much communication to the outside world. Or at least I didn't. So I really want to know what's going on. And I'm trying to talk to my brother, but I have absolutely no access. Later that night, I come home and I see that CEO has logged on to Periscope and she's broadcasting. And I guess the reason she's broadcasting is because they ordered the McGregor Mayweather fight on pay-per-view and my brother was out driving and he wanted to be able to see it because he wasn't sure if he could get home. So she's basically periscoping the fight. So I log on and I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool. Like, I didn't really have a way to watch the fight. My family is very Irish, so they're very into McGregor. Next thing you know, my brother goes on Periscope again. All the rain has started. So much rain is going on. He's got the phone hooked up to the dash and I see all this rain.  He's like looking at the bayou. Cops are behind him at certain times. So he gets out and then he films it and then he has to get back in. But the cop can't reach him. So this has happened a few times. It takes me like a minute.  I'm like, hey, Danny, have you seen the movie Nightcrawler? He's like, of course. Funny enough, I went to school to be the broadcaster, but my brother, no matter what happens, every disaster, he's out reporting to the world. And even when he goes to a different country, it's like he reports, like he brings back these amazing photos and he loves to just report what things really look like in places. So I found all this very interesting. Next thing you know, my brother is walking through five feet of water in some places and two feet of water in other places. The CO is logged on to and they're giving each other advice. Like this is how he's communicating. I'm watching this whole thing and I'm like, oh my God, at least it's only 15 minute walk for him to get home from what he's saying. He gets to his house. By the way, this is in the middle of the night. His house is fine and everything is okay. And the reason, by the way, that he's walking home is because his car could not get through the flood and he knew it. He left it at the local grocery store, which I guess from experience he knew would be safe for the car and that's when he walked home. So I took care of sharing that video in case anybody else wanted to know what that area looked like. I wanted to give them warnings because keep in mind that's how people die. A lot of times they are driving and they're not gauging how deep the water is and they're like, I'll make it and that's when their cars get stuck and that's when their cars get destroyed. I'm not sure that a lot of people had a good gauge of how deep the water was in fact in the end of my brother's video, he ran into a few people that were attempting to drive through there and he gave them some good warnings. The next morning I wake up with a picture from my brother and a text that says, everything I own is gone. He's a comedian so I didn't know if he is using someone else's photo, if he's making this up. As far as I knew everything was fine, like I really didn't believe it. Even though in the picture there's water all the way up to like three, four feet and you can see that things are obviously damaged. You could see that it's a house full of water but like to me this could have been anybody's. I had no idea. So I wake up frantically and I call him. I'm like, are you okay? He's like, yep. I slept in my attic last night. I'm like, what do you mean? I just went to bed with a video of you making it home and now you're in your attic and he's like, yep. That's exactly what happened. I guess at four or five in the morning it started flooding in there and he knew he had to go into his attic. And I said, what are you going to do? Because at this moment as far as I knew it was still raining, right? Like if it's five feet of water in your house right now, what if it becomes six, seven, eight feet of water?  He said, I was told to stay put. Oh my God. I think fast. I say, go on periscope. Let me see exactly what's going on. He goes, okay, I'll call you right back. I log on frantically and there he is kind of up in the attic, periscoping and the great thing about this is that I don't think he wanted to leave. Like I think he didn't want to leave but because the advice of certain people was to stay especially since how do you get out? If the whole block is covered in five, six feet of flood, how are you going to get out? Isn't it safer to be on your roof? Is it safer to be in your attic? But then again, is it? Cause what if it keeps on raining and the whole house goes under? What if it's like has a sort of tsunami effect? What if you can't get out for days?  Like that was my concern. Once I saw him on Periscope, I saw that the water kind of came up to here on him and I realized maybe he can get out of this. At least he's able to stand in his house. He goes outside, he opens the front door and I see sunlight. The sunlight is kind of comforting except for the whole block is literally four, five feet deep in water. He's saying, what should I do guys? My logic was if you're standing now, it's sunny out and it's not currently raining and it's due to rain until Wednesday. Get out of there now. My dad's house was fine. So in my head, if he was able to get to my father's place, he could eat, he could shower, he could finally be all right. Cause not every house flooded there but the majority of houses do. And I should clarify something for you guys. Although you can't predict which homes are gonna flood, there are some homes that kind of never flood or haven't flooded in 60 years. And there's some areas that have had four floods in five years. So a lot of people can gauge a little bit or guesstimate or have already raised their homes. So they kind of know what is going to happen. So that's why some people don't exactly evacuate. The reason my brother went to his place, he had every intention of going to my father's place that night except he could not get into my dad's area. That place was blocked off by flooding but his house on the one side that it was on didn't flood at all. So my brother knew he couldn't get there with the car. The closest place he could get to was that grocery store and walk to his house. Two good things came from that. The first thing was that because of the McGregor fight, Danny and Cio ordered it on pay-per-view at my dad's house so they could watch it with dad. But before they left, Cio thought to take Ty. I spoke to Cio about this and Cio said, I didn't want to take Ty because it was raining and I didn't really want to disrupt his comfort and bring him out in the rain. And I was worried about that. But then I thought, what if we can't get back home tonight? And I really don't want to put Ty to bed so early because it would be 8.30 and usually he goes to bed at 10. So I decided to bring him. That was the best decision she could have made. If Ty hadn't gone to watch the McGregor fight with Cio over to my dad's, I don't know what would have happened. I believe he would have survived because my brother obviously would have taken him up to the attic with him. But I think the rescue would have been a lot more difficult and a lot harder. I think it's pretty amazing that Ty was over there. Ty went to bed early that night, she said. So he wasn't too disturbed by the rain for him. It was just another day of rain. You know, it rains in Texas. And in the morning when he woke up, it was just again, another day of rain. So in the meantime, Ty, Cio and my dad are all fine. Meanwhile, my brother has just opened the door to his whole block underwater and he's asking us on Periscope what to do. I'm saying, leave. It looks like you can stand. It's sunny outside. You could get to dad's. You could get some food. You could get some water and you can have a good shower. My brother was worried because either my dad or Cio told him maybe you should stay and be safe. That was before they had really seen and assessed the situation. There was somebody else on Periscope that said, yeah, man, leave. And I think because everyone was saying leave, my brother got encouraged. Once he got on camera and opened the door, his spirits had changed. He became like happy to be reporting, worried about other people. He opened the door and he saw people on a roof with a dog and suddenly everything was different for him. I could see it in him. He was like, wait a minute, I could swim. I'm strong. There are other people that need help. And he heard people calling for help and I could hear people calling for help through the Periscope live video. And then my brother says, hey, man, is everything okay? What do you need? He told me that there was a boat going around and I'm like, yes, that's amazing. Maybe somebody will help you get out of there. And he's like, no, Marlene, let the boat help other people get out of there. I'm gonna walk out of here. On camera, somebody advises him to get a garbage bag to put his stuff in, because he has to carry CO's purse and a few other things. And he starts trying to leave. We're watching him walk through all of this water. And then he says, guys, it's too deep. I gotta go. Now, I'm frantic. Do you guys really wanna know the honest truth of what I had to do that day? It was my sister's birthday the day after. We didn't wanna celebrate it on Saturday, on Sunday. We had all these plans to go to the dog beach. That's what my sister wants to do every year. She loves a dog.  She wants to see the dogs happy. Like I'm Cinderella with the bird. She's like the same girl, but with the dogs. So we always go to the dog beach. She comes home in the morning. I'm like, have you seen what's going on with Danny? She's like, no, what? Now, I have to be brave for my brother. At least I think I do. I'm sure he's fine. But I also have to like be the big sister and be like, yes, let's go to the beach for your birthday, of course. There's not really anything I can do from my brother from here. But I did not stop watching him for one second. When we got there, I would go up, try to get reception, contact CEO, contact Danny, contact dad, contact every single person. I've always been kind of like mother hen. I don't know why. That's just how I am with my siblings. I need to know that everything is okay. So I'm following this story in the car everywhere.  We get in the car and the last I see of my brother is he's walking through these waters and they get way too deep. So deep that he can't go anymore. I don't know the area. I don't know anything about what's about to happen. I call my dad. Dad, what's going on? Is everything okay? He's like, yes, everything is okay. Danny, I got to go. He's on the periscope. I'm like, oh, I got to go then too. I got to watch it. He's not on periscope. I don't know what dad's talking about. Can't find him. Well, there he is on Facebook and he's being rescued on a boat. And that was the moment I realized how deep it was. This is like a boat with a motor going through the streets of Houston, Texas. It's insane and there's a surfer in the back. I have to take a moment to tell you what I know about these kids because my brother told me that he was able to find out some details about them.  From what I can gauge, I think it seems like most of them are brothers. They lived in the area. They knew how bad it floods. I hope I have this story right. And the day before they drove to Galveston, Texas, which is kind of like the shore that they must have a beach house or something. And they got their boat and drove it back just to help people the next morning because they knew that their help was gonna be needed. These kids saved everyone. I'm not kidding you. It seemed like the entire community got a chance to get off their roofs and on their boat at some point. They saved families. They saved elderly. They saved kids, babies. I saw them save dogs and rabbits at one point. These kids brought everything and anyone that they could to safe ground, which was at Kroger, which is the grocery store in Texas. So I think that these kids deserve a lot of recognition, let me just say. Next thing you know, I see my brother on their boat and the title of his story says, been rescued. And I'm like in the car, like, I'm so happy my brother's okay. And I know that he's gonna be okay because I know he's strong, but I've missed every hurricane in Houston. I've never been in one.   So I knew he was probably gonna be sad when he goes back home. I just had this feeling and I've tried to tell him, hey, Danny, I know that you're kind of in good spirits now because you're in the middle of everything.  And I just knew what it's gonna feel like for him because I feel like sometimes we're the same type of person. And that's how I would feel. Honestly, I'm sure that's how everybody feels in this situation. You see so many people at the end of these hurricanes, just outside of their houses, throwing stuff. It looks like houses being gutted. Every piece of furniture they own is now on the side of the street. That's what happens after these hurricanes. When I first called my dad to see who's okay, I'm like, where's Danny? Where's CEO? CEO is fine. The bird is with CEO. The dogs are fine. My dad is fine. My mom is in Ireland and Danny I'm hoping is going to be fine. So the next thing I know I'm on the beach and all I want to do is go up to find out how my brother is. I just kept calling my brother and my brother's girl and Danny didn't answer. And I didn't know where he had been or if he was okay or if he got home. When my brother went live on Facebook and he had his rescue, my other friend Sarah had seen where he was and said, go to my brother David's house. You're in that area and they have food and you can shower and you'll be safe. That was the last I heard and my brother didn't seem to be able to get any phone calls after that. And where I was, my phone wasn't going through at all. So I kept trying and trying to call him. I was basically, everyone was on the beach and there I was up top trying to get reception, frantically calling him, trying to see who had any info with him in the last 10 minutes. I call CEO and our calls keep dropping. Finally, I find a way to call her through going to some wifi and she answers and I say, what are you doing? She's like, I'm watching the kids outside playing the water. It's Sunday, there was already the flood. I guess kids brought out kind of like the boogie board. And I say, oh, that's interesting. I never thought that they could kind of play in that water, take some video for me. And I hear Ty on her shoulder and Ty's going, I got that one out. And she's like, yeah, I'm outside with him. We're watching the neighborhood. And suddenly while I'm on the phone, and of course I have so much anxiety, like where is my brother? Nobody has heard from him. I hear Ty screaming and he goes, Danny, Danny. And I'm like, CEO, now he's frantic, he misses Danny. She goes, I know, I know, I think he does. And suddenly Danny walks through the door. The bird had seen Danny before anybody recognized that it was him and knew that Danny was coming. How did Danny get home? Danny went to his friend David's house. They had food, they had water, he showered. And there was, I think from what I understand, a group of people there, but he wasn't able to leave David's house because that house was also flooded in. So I'm not sure if there was damage into the house, but you couldn't get out of that area. My dad called a friend and the friend had, I guess a high rise truck or van or Jeep. And he drove through the flood, picked up my brother and brought him home. I guess the moment that he was in the van, Ty saw him. So I was on the phone when my brother walked through the door and I said, just call me back when you can. I wanna know how everything is. I'm pretty sure you need your time now to shower and do whatever it is you need to do. And then CO filled me in on the rest. What happened was the dog diesel, we have two dogs there. This dog diesel is a Sheranian, which is half Pomeranian and half Shih Tzu. Diesel would not leave my brother's side. Neither would Ty. They were glued to him. Now you have to keep in mind, Ty is recently in the last, I guess whole years of my brother and CO's relationship been in love with CO. And of course he loves my brother as well, but he would not leave my brother alone. And apparently the dog and bird were fighting for my brother's attention and both of them were blocking each other from my brother. My brother was like, wow, these animals are exceptionally intuitive. It's almost like they could understand the energy that I was missing. So that was very interesting. Now of course my brother and CO could not go home. First of all, they have to now live back in my parents' house, but they obviously can't get home because it's flooded everywhere. There's nothing to do. You have to wait a few days, wait till all the water recedes.  That's pretty much the protocol. So they were all cooped up in my dad's house for a few days. And CO said that Ty was insane. She said, Ty doesn't usually scream unless he wants something. But if he's an eyes view of you, he's always happy. And if he wants something, they give it to Ty and he's fine. But for the last few days, Ty has been unconsolable.   My brother called me today and he said, you know what, Ty is so on edge that CO and I are going to take him back to the house. We think he wants to go home, but we think he needs to understand why we're not going home. That's how birds are, that's how smart they are and that's how you have to treat them. Of course the water has receded, so there's really no danger in taking him down there. My brother said he took Ty down there and Ty was looking all around, analyzing everything and all he wanted to do was go to his cage. So my brother led him on the top of his cage for a little bit just to see. It was only like the bottom that got flooded.  Ty has two cages in a stand at my brother's house and two cages in a stand at my dad's house. So he was doing quite okay except he had a lot of anxiety after the storm and obviously by how he was screaming for my brother when he saw him, he had a lot of anxiety while my brother was gone and he probably sensed that that is what's happening. So that whole time that I couldn't get in touch with my brother, I was really worried and really sad. I think the most impressive parts of this story is the power of social media one because here my brother goes live on Facebook and because of that our friend says, I know where you are, you can go to my brother's house. So he was able to get to safety because of that because let's face it, even though you're okay, your water is up to here. It's poisonous, there's alligators, there's snakes, there's fire ants, there's so many things that can happen to you. And it's important to be able to get to safety. So because of Facebook and him going live, he was able to get to a nice safe place because of Facebook, so many other people were able to help one another and come together and make groups and chats and locate who needs help, who needs the truck, who needs medical attention. People were remembering addresses of other people and posting them on Facebook. They were alerting anybody they knew with boats and vans and trucks that could possibly save people. It was really a group effort to get every single person home. I know that already 39 people have died in Hurricane Harvey, but in the mass destruction of what Hurricane Harvey has done, that's an impressively low number and I think a lot of it is attributed to social media and how we're all able to communicate and get ourselves out there and help one another. So that was one amazing thing and also thank God for the McGregor fight because if it wasn't for the McGregor fight, Ty would not be at my dad's and CEO would not be at my dad's. And so they were all safe because let's face it, I think it would have been a lot harder for them to do with the bird and a lot harder for CEO because I know it would have been hard for me to go through something like that. So there are little miracles that happen everywhere.  And I'm really happy that in the grand scheme of things, everybody is okay. It's gonna be a lot to put that city back together but out of all the communities in the world, I think Texas can do it. Honestly, I think it's such a great helpful state. So that is my story time Sunday. I hope you guys enjoyed the story. I hope this filled in a little bit for you about Ty and where he is and if he is okay. That's basically my perspective of the story. Hopefully for whatever Wednesday this week, I'll have something together about the hurricane from my brother's entire point of view. I've been working on it and it looks like a really, really good story to really feel what it feels like to be in the middle of the hurricane and the destruction. So if you're interested in something like that, please tune in on Wednesday. And that is it. Thank you guys so much for watching. Please subscribe. We love new subscribers. And please come and join Parrot Station. That is my Facebook group where I can see your birds and hear about your stories. Thank you guys so much. Follow me on Instagram if you would like to know more and see my birdies. I hope everybody affected by Hurricane Harvey is doing okay. Drop me a note. Let me know what your experience was. And of course, if your birdie is okay. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Bye.


Hi, this is your husband, Bhartya. Today, we have with us Fathi Dekarmanasi, General Manager of Continuous Delivery Foundation. Fathi, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you very much for having me, so happy to be here. Let's talk about the foundation of Continuous Delivery Foundation because continuous delivery if you look in old days, not whole. In today's world, nothing is old, right? Everything is new. But when we do look at CI CD pipelines, they were a lot of patchwork, and then a lot of open source projects start to emerge. Netflix, they have their projects, and Spinnaker came and there are so many other projects. So sometime when they talk to folks, some folks try to put CI CD together, sometime folks like to separate them. So there are so many things to talk about today, which also means that it's nois, it's one second, a lot of patchwork there. So let's start with the basics of the foundation, what lets the creation of the foundation and what do you folks actually do there? Continuous Delivery Foundation was established around 2019 to provide a neutral home for continuous integration and continuous delivery projects, open source projects, and the purpose of Continuous Delivery Foundation is to improve the world's ability to achieve continuous delivery. And as you mentioned, there are great projects within the ecosystem, both within Continuous Delivery Foundation and other communities. And those technologies help organizations to bring their software with speed, the good and sustainability to their end users. So Continuous Delivery Foundation aims to make sure that we have this collaboration across various projects happening to push the domain forward. How do you look at it? You know, when we talk about CI and CD, do you look at the, because the name of the foundation continuous delivery, so how do you look at things so that we do know that what you folks are doing there? Continuous Delivery is a critical software development practice and continuous integration and continuous deployment could be considered as enabling practice standard continuous delivery. And continuous integration sits closer to development teams and they, consistent integration practice, allow developers to bring their latest channels and commits into main branch software development branch in a safe, secure and quality manner. And if you look at the continuous delivery paradigm and practice, these different activities within under continuous delivery, they confine each other. Continuous integration is the most basic activity which lets developers to make their contributions in a much faster manner, while continuous delivery are loss organizations to make sure what is on main branch, development branch is always in a reasonable state. And this topic has various aspects, technological aspects as well as social aspects because the continuous delivery is actually related with business process as well. So these all need to be taken into consideration in a holistic manner and that is what we are aiming to achieve within Continuous Delivery Foundation. If you look at just the CD Foundation, what are some of the main challenges that you're seeing based on what's again the trends that are there in the market? I think like community is at the core of Continuous Delivery Foundation. So the aspect I mentioned bringing people together, that is one of the challenges. And the other challenge is related to ecosystem and continuous integration, continuous delivery domain. Because when you look at the latest conversations on different topics such as cloud-nating and software-spy chain, sometimes the continuous integration and continuous delivery topics are drawn in too many conversations and that indirectly impacts continuous delivery foundation because continuous delivery and continuous delivery is a key piece in all these different things for cloud-nating for software-spy chain. And one of the challenges we have in front of us for Continuous Delivery Foundation is to make the foundation more visible, make it better positioned within a cross-ecosystem because continuous delivery is not a specific cloud-native or no software-spy chain. It is a common concern among different domains. So visibility positioning. This is a very interesting point that you brought in there that it's not just about cloud-native, but the fact is that just we are moving more and more towards cloud. But the fact is also that because of digital transformation, almost every company is today becoming a software company and not every aspect of software is done on the cloud. So talk about the importance of CD in today's modern world, where we are moving to our software-driven world. Yes, that is a really great question. Thanks for that. Because when you look at the open-source communities or the latest trends and technologies, cloud-native is one of the top in the list. But as you highlighted, not all the organizations are on cloud-native. For example, Automotive Industry or Telecom Industry, they're embedded products or some organizations talking about continuous delivery for databases or continuous delivery for mainframes. So continuous integration and continuous delivery is a common concern regardless of the technology, regardless of the industry. And that makes it especially critical that we as practitioners within the ICD ecosystem take a broader look at the continuous integration and continuous delivery domain and make sure that we address the use case coming from all these different types of industries and not just focus on a specific industry. Because as you highlighted, again, all the industries are becoming software-driven and we have to enable those industries and organizations to make sure they can push the latest and greatest features, serves their end users with peace records and in a sustainable manner. That is key. We have to enable. One more thing that is becoming very important into this word, security. And CD, once again, it's the pipeline there. So talk about the role that CD plays there in ensuring having a better security posture. Yes, software-spy chain and spy chain security has become pretty critical with the latest instance, no, and that has been, you know, discussed quite heavily last couple of years under different names, their secops and so on. Now it is great that many different organizations, regulators, governments, agencies, they are focusing on this topic. And that is important to increase the awareness around security challenges we have. And as you know, this shift-left approach to pushing these type of checks closer to developers themselves will improve the state of our security of our supply chain a lot. Because if you catch those issues closer to their source, you have much easier way to fix them, much cheaper way to fix them you don't have any impacts on end users. And all these bringing code from source control management system, from development teams into end users, that goes through content-zero pipelines. That's why content-zero pipelines, I consider them as the backbone of software-spy chain. And without us putting focus on content-zero pipelines, we may have big issues when we try to address even bigger challenges within our software-spy chain. I'm curious that, is it really possible that to have some kind of interoperability among CIN, CD tools, plus what kind of response you receive from the industry or ecosystem when you announce CD events? I think we have really great examples from within other companies. For example, if you look at open telemetry, that brought some common approach to how the data can be shared. And CD events approach is pretty similar to the approach taken by open telemetry community. And the key thing here is adoption. And you can have a specification in place which could have stable version, but if that is not adopted by the open source communities, then that will become reality. But if we look at what's happening within Contra's data foundation and within Contra's delivery events project, CD events project, you'll see many different projects, contributors from many different projects are taking active part on it. For example, Jenkins, Tecton, Captain, K-native contributors are taking part in the project. And one of the first things the project did was to bring up a proof of concept to show that this is actually achievable. So instead of just focusing on a specification on a markdown document, they brought up different tools and made them talk to each other using their draft specification. So that these two aspects, an example coming from open telemetry community as well as the engagement from the other communities within CD events project gives me hope that we can actually achieve interoperability within the CD ecosystem. What kind of vision, what kind of goal do you have for the CD foundation? Where do you see, you did share some, you know, that there is a place for CD foundation is very critical, but what kind of vision do you have? Again, the communities are the most critical in the puzzle because you can have ideas, you can have vision, you can have strategy, but if those ideas, if those, you know, your vision is not realized, then that stays on paper unfortunately. And that's why the communities are key in the puzzle. And as I mentioned, one of the first things we need to address within our foundation is to make sure that our community is thriving and make sure that we are getting even more contributors to our community and we make sure we can sustain our community. That is personally my top priority. In addition to that, there are different stakeholders, projects, participating organizations. We have to make sure that their use cases, their challenges are discussed and addressed. But that is another piece in the puzzle because these things should go hand in hand if we don't bring different opinions, different use case in front of our communities, then we may be doing things that may not be relevant or useful to our users. So that is the other thing. And in Noation, again, I think you highlighted one point there when you asked if we think a consolidation will happen within the CI-CD ecosystem. And that is key. And instead of us doing same things across different communities, we should make sure that we put our efforts together and innovate within the ecosystem. One of the topics we discussed that already in terms of this, this is a challenge we need to solve and that can only be achieved by us coming together. And another challenge is, okay, we have these different abstraction layers that helps organizations to move to cloud native, but things are getting complicated as well and making developers' lives difficult like if they want to create a continental pipeline, then they shouldn't be writing thousands lives of YAML files, for example. They should be looking at how they can make valuable contributions to the business rather than spending their time on writing, duplicating YAML files. And that could be another thing we as foundation push forward, like, okay, now we solve the problems in the world, let's speculate a bit about the future. What is next? Okay, how we can make sure we can increase developer efficiency, productivity and experience because continuous delivery is key in this. But if developers are happy when they send their code and instead code answer point production as fast and secure as possible, then they can move on to the next step at their hand and innovate. And that could be another thing we need to put a force around. How we can give developers better ways to create and manage their continental pipelines. So again, that is the technology aspects for continuous delivery foundation. We have community aspects, we have end user participation organization aspects, and we have technology aspects. If you put these three different aspects together and take no collaborative approach to these things, I think that will bring success to continue their foundation and build the ecosystem. Vathiyan, thank you so much for taking time out today and talk not only about the CD Foundation, but you also shared a much bigger picture that we were not even expecting. That is the way we develop and deploy software. It's not just one way of doing this, not for the process. You see, there are a lot of companies who are still not on the cloud bandwagon and software developed, we are moving towards a software driven world. So the importance that is there of continuous delivery is thanks for sharing those insights and I would love to have you back on the show. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me, Swap. It's much appreciated.


that we would have a good time. In your name, I pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Alright, I just started the recording in the middle of the prayer. So let's get started. Alright, so we had started talking about the uniqueness of Jesus and then we went into a lot of questions and then there was one question at the end of the class on the Book of Life. Anand, you remember? Alright, so we will quickly answer that question and then we will continue our lesson on the uniqueness of Jesus and go forward. So this question, so let me just bring the present the question and then we will see what the scriptures have to say and summarize the answer. So the question is about the Book of Life. The Bible tells us that there is a book called the Book of Life and the names of people are written there and whoever's name is not written in the Book of Life will not enter God's Kingdom. They are sent to the lake of fire and the Bible tells us. But we also see at least two places where it tells us that one is in the Old Testament. I'll give you these scriptures where God, you know, Moses says, blot my name out of your book. In the New Testament, the Lord Jesus says, whoever overcomes, I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life. So it means that maybe people's names can be removed from that book. So then the question is, if God wrote the names of people in this book before the foundation of the world, if he knew everybody's name and put it there, how come he's taking some names out? Did he make a mistake? You're understanding the problem, right? So how do we understand this correctly and so on? I want to mention that in the Bible, we see at least three references, three different kinds of books. One is the Book of Life. The other one is referred to as the Book of Remembrance in Malachi. I'll give you the references. A Book of Remembrance. And another one is just referred to as your book. So, for example, Psalm 139, all the days of my life were written in your book. So it's just referred to as your book. So how do we understand this? There's a Book of Life, there's a Book of Remembrance, and then there is your book. We don't know. It's just called your book. So, and then only about the Book of Life, it is said, it was from the beginning, the foundation of the world, the beginning of the world. And that is the book that will be used to determine who's going to go into heaven or not. So, here's what I... I'll just summarize all the scriptures. There are at least about, you know, 12 different references on these things, on these books that I mentioned. I'll just paste it in the chat and you can have a quick look at it in the chat. Paste. Oh, it's not there. We can't paste. Oh, we can't, sorry, we can't put all of these there. So, I'll just share my screen then. Let me share my screen. Share screen. You can see my screen? Okay. So, Book of Life. What is it? How can someone's name be blurted out of the Book of Life? There's a Book of Life, a Book of Remembrance. These different, right? So, if you look at the scriptures, first of all, starting from the Old Testament, there's Exodus 32 verses 32, 33. That is where Moses says, Lord, if you don't forgive their sins, you know, blurt me out of your book which you have written. And so I blurted out my book. And then Psalm 56, 8. Here, the Psalmist is saying, you put my tears into your bottle and, you know, my... and write them, are they not in your book? So, the tears that he's crying, he's saying, God, you're putting my tears in your bottle and in your book. So now, this one, we need to understand, again, Psalm 116, your eyes saw my substance being here and formed and in your book, they all were written the day's fashion for me. That means God wrote every day of my life in his book. That's what he's saying. Then in Malachi 3.16, is the reference for the book of remembrance where God says, you know, when he sees any two of us talking about him, then he writes our names in the book of remembrance. Ephesians 2.10, we learn that God has predetermined. He already has, you know, good works which he has ordained beforehand that we should walk in them. There are good things that God has already planned that we should walk in them. The other scriptures on the book of life, Philippians 4 and verse 3, Paul's talking about other believers whose names are in the book of life, Revelation 3.5. The Lord Jesus says, you know, whoever overcomes, I will not take his name out of the book of life. Revelation 13.8, he talks about the people who worship the Antichrist. Their names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 17.8, he talks about the book of life which is written from the foundation of the world. Revelation 20.12 and 15. This is where it says the books were opened. So that means there's more than one book that's being opened. And he says there's another book which is the book of life and people are judged based on this. Revelation 22.17 and 21, sorry, Revelation 21.27, 22.19 tells us clearly that those, sorry, 21.27, that those whose names are written in the book of life, they are the ones who get into heaven. And Revelation 20.19, once again it says, if anyone takes away from the words of this book, God will take his name away from the book of life. So at least these three references where it's saying God is taking the name out of the book of life. So how do we understand it? And here's what I want to present to us and I'd encourage you to think about all of these scriptures. So the book of life, the book itself was there and has been from the beginning, from the foundation of the earth. So there are two things we need to think about. So first we need to talk about God's own foreknowledge, God's mind, that in his mind he knew ahead of time and he knows ahead of time those who will say yes to him, those who will say no to him. So for example, God already knows, even before I was born, God already knew that at some point in my life I would say yes to him. He knew that. Even before each one of us were born, he knew that. That is the foreknowledge of God. That's the mind of God, where he knows things ahead of time. He knows the decision we will make. He's not deciding for us, but he knows the decision. Even before we were born, he knew. Francis knew. He knew. But and then the book of life was there from the beginning, from the foundation of the word. But if you put all these scriptures together, to me it appears that the names are being written in the book based on our decision. So it's like my name is written in it when I make the decision in time. Does God already know what decision I will make? Yeah, he knows already. But in time my name is written in it. And if I withdraw from my faith or I turn back, then my name is blotted out. So that way, if I understand it that way, then there is no problem with oh God made a mistake and put my name in the book. No, he didn't make it. He knew his foreknowledge is separate. The book is there from the beginning, but it is being written or updated in time based on my decision. That's how we understand it. Similarly, the book of remembrance that we saw in Malakai, it says as people are talking, the angel is recording. So again, it is telling us that it's being updated in time. As we are talking, it's being recorded. And the third thing is the other book, for example, you put my tears into your bottle. Are they not in your book? So does that mean there are bottles in heaven? They're all our tears again? No, I think that, like for example in Psalm 56 verse 8, is poetic language. It is poetic language. It's not to be taken literally that God is collecting all our tears and putting in the bottle in heaven, no. So, you know, Psalm 56 verse 8, there it is poetic language or Psalm 139 verse 16. Your book, All My Days Were Written, poetic language, say to talk about the knowledge and the foreknowledge of God, saying that God, you know me when I cry. You are so close to my tears as you are collecting them in a bottle and you're writing all my tears, two drops, three drops, five drops, writing it in his book. So that is poetic language. So that's the third part, right? So Psalm 56 verse 8, Psalm 139 verse 16, is poetic language, talking about the intimate knowledge of God. So I would look at it from these three perspectives. There is a book of life and there is a book of remembrance. And then maybe other books like Revelation says the books were opened. So maybe there are many other books we don't know about. So the book of life we know it says it was the book itself, this record system whether it's actually a physical scroll or some other means of recording, whatever that recording system is in heaven. It was there even from before God created and in time it's being updated. That means when I say, God already knows I will say yes, but when I do say yes, my name is written. But if I recant, if I go back, God can plot my name out of that book. So then that's a clear understanding of okay, it is possible that somebody's name is blotted out. No problem. It's not a problem with God's knowledge, omniscience. It's a change in my decision that's updating my record in heaven. We must understand it in the same way as again, for example, when Jesus says, you lay up treasures in heaven. Does that mean you're sending gold and silver into some account in heaven? Is it like literally some bank account with your name and number and every time you do good work, some money goes inside? No. It's talking about God recognizing and remembering or in some way keeping accounts of the good that we're doing here is remembering that it's not forgotten. That's Hebrews 6 verse 10 where he says, you know, God is not going to forget your good works. He's recording it, he's maintaining. Is that okay? So if we understand it like this, then it's possible for us to say, yes, names can be blotted out of the book of life and it is not a mistake. God didn't make a mistake by putting it in there in the first place. But if we say, oh, it was all written there, but then when you said, and God made a mistake putting it in there, and then you made a mistake. You refuse to accept God and so God takes it out. He made a mistake thinking you will say yes. Then the mistake is on God. So if you understand that it's being updated in real time, which is evident from these scriptures, it's fine. So when we read these scriptures, it tells us the book of life was there from the foundation of the world and the names are written into that book as in when I make my decision. The book was already there from the beginning of the world, but my name is being written there. If you take the other position and if you take the other, the scripture is not necessarily saying the names were already written before creation. So the book was already there before creation, but your names are being written in it and if I refuse Jesus, he can blot my name out. When I accept them, he puts it in there and I refuse him. He can blot my name out of the book of life. So from the scriptures that we saw, we'll look at it again, I'll share it. What are the conditions in which names are taken out? One is in Revelation 3 verse 5. He who overcomes, will be clothed in white garments. I will not blot out his name from the book of life. The converse is true, which means if somebody does not overcome, that means he gives in to the things of the world and he walks away from faith, then obviously his name will be blotted out. The second one is Revelation 2219. If anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophet, say God shall take away his part from the book of life. So that means if somebody is mishandling that word, especially this is very specific to the book of Revelation. It's a very important book. If anybody is playing, going to take away the words of this book from prophecy. That means in some way, yes, I don't know how somebody could do it, but like, for example, say, oh, these words are not true or not real. If you take away words of this prophecy, then I will take your name out from the book of life. So these are two conditions we are saying. One is if somebody is not following through with the Lord Jesus. That means you're saying they're giving up on their faith in Jesus. Second one is if they are doing this to the words of prophecy, those are the ones whose names are being taken out of the book. So what we can say is our names go into that book when we make a decision to follow Christ and then take it out or put our faith in the living God. So think about it and just put these scriptures here so it's easy for us to discuss. All right, any questions on it from online students? Build-up treasures have been good works as in All right, I'll just answer this question. So Nina, build-up treasures in heaven. So there are two references to that. Matthew chapter 6, Philippians chapter 4. In both these cases, it is having to do with actually and also in 1 Timothy chapter 6 where so let me repeat, Matthew 6, Philippians 4 or Timothy 6 where it's having to do with money, it's having to do with giving and it says that when we give here on earth, when we give, it is like we are storing up treasures in heaven. So in all these three contexts, it's having to do with money. Matthew 6, Philippians 4 where Paul is commending the Philippians for them sending him an offering while he was doing the ministry and in 1 Timothy 6, Paul is telling those who are rich in this world let them be, give to others so that they will lay up treasures for themselves in heaven. So all these three contexts are money and giving is where it's at that. Any other questions? Francis? Sir, coming to that, a book of life is only for believers or like whoever is believing in Jesus or all the people. So we can take it that it is, it has the names of the people who are going to enter into God's kingdom. So that means it has the names of people who have believed or saved, believed in Jesus. So that's that. And so for those in the Old Testament, it will be those who have faith in Yahweh God, like Moses. So you say, you take my name from your book. So basically it's the names of the people who will be entering into God's kingdom through faith in the true and living God. So what about person like who, like tribal people means who is living in the forest and all. So how is there a situation like, most of the people, they can't hear about Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. I think we've, I think we discussed this last time, right? So we were saying, see, we don't know everything, but based on the scriptures, based on what we have written in the scriptures, we can say, and we looked at Romans chapter two, verse 15 and 16. Paul is saying that he asks the same question. Now what, of course, at that time, when Paul was writing Romans chapter two, they only had the Old Testament scriptures, right? So today we have Old Testament and New Testament, but when Paul was writing, they only had the written Old Testament, written scriptures, but Paul was asking the same question. What about those who don't have the scriptures? How will they believe? So he answers this by saying, in Romans chapter one, he has already said God is speaking to them through creation. Romans one verse 20, he's speaking them through creation. He's given them evidence through creation. Second, Romans two, 15, 16. He says God has put a conscience inside people, that the conscience will make them seek after God. Second thing. And third thing, of course, is we have to preach the gospel. That's why we have to do our best to get the message out. And, but in Romans two, 16, he says, but God will judge every man according to the gospel, right? So what if somebody has never heard the gospel, which is possible? They never heard. They never heard the name of Jesus. How will God judge? Well, we can only say what the scripture says, that Paul said in that same context, when asking that same question, he still answered saying, God will judge every man according to the gospel. So that's all we can say. Is God going to do something more? Maybe. I don't know. We don't know, right? We can't say, but all we can say is, hey, Paul asked the same question. And this is how it was answered Romans two, 16. It will be judged. They will be judged according to the gospel. So to that extent, we can say, beyond that, if God is going to do something different, we don't know. It's similar to what Nina asked about good works. Sorry? About good works. Good works, yes. So is it the same thing, like how we say for faith, or it says in the Bible, faith without works is dead? I mean, is it the same works that we're talking about? Oh. So you're saying faith without works, and you're talking about good works. Are you saying these are these the same things? Right? Okay. To take them in context, when James is writing about this, in James chapter two, when he talks about faith without works, there he's talking about good works, meaning if somebody is hungry, somebody needs something, you know, you clothe them, you feed them, you do. So that is the context of James chapter two, where he's saying faith without works is dead. That means you have to do something good to people, like doing good works. So the faith and works context in James two is the same as good works that we talk about, like doing good to people. James chapter two, right? So that's the context.  No. You have to give him something. You have to do something for him, get to help him. So that is the context of the works he's talking about. So essentially saying we have faith, but we must also do something, right? And then of course, there are what we refer to as faith works, which would be the miraculous, the supernatural, and those are the works of faith as well. So the works of faith include all of these things, right? Doing the supernatural or believing God for healing deliverance, as well as doing good works, which is taking care of the needs of other people to the extent we can. Okay. Any other questions? Okay. So last class, we went through lesson number 10, the uniqueness of Jesus, and we will start off today in lesson number 11, the resurrection of... We finished, right? Yeah. So resurrection lesson number 11, which is about the resurrection of Jesus. So let me share the notes. Okay. That's another question. Sorry, one minute. I just saw a question on the chat. Okay. That's a question on the chat. Let me just answer this. Shukma. Past of a person believed in Christ, but not taken water baptism. Well, the name of that person entered in the book of life or removed. Right. So we don't have chapter and verse very specific to this question. But what we do know is that salvation is through faith in Jesus, and water baptism is an expression of that. So water baptism itself is not bringing salvation, but water baptism is an expression of our receiving salvation through faith in Christ. Right. So what saves us? It is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. The only scripture that people would use is in first Peter chapter three, where Peter says, you know, even now baptism saves. Right. Or there's another scripture in Acts. Acts 10. Acts. Acts. Acts 9. Sorry. Acts 9. Acts.  So it seems to indicate that hey, you know, let me give you the exact verse here. I'll give you the exact verses so that you know what we're talking about. This is in Acts 9. So it, okay, Acts 9. Sorry. This was, so this is talking about the Paul's experience of salvation. But I think when Paul recalls it, as I said, it's one minute to me a minute, please. Yeah. Well, Acts 22 was 16. Acts 22, 16. Paul is recounting how, you know, Ananias gave a minister to him and he says, this is what Ananias told me. Acts 22, 16. Why are you waiting? Rise and be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord. So Acts 22, 16 seems like, oh, when you're baptized, your sins are washed away. The other scripture I referenced was in first Peter chapter three. Where, sorry, is it, let me give you the exact verse. Sorry. I can't remember these exact verses. First Peter 321. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. First Peter 321. There is also an anti-type, which now saves us baptism, but the answer for good conscience toward God. Yeah. So it seems, okay, some people may use these scriptures, look, look, look, baptism. It's washing away your sins or baptism is saving, but we have to understand everything in context. That means in all, in the light of all the other teaching of scripture. And I mean, look at all the teaching of scriptures. Very clear that we are saved by grace through faith. Full stop. You believe in Jesus? You'll have your sins forgiven. What a baptism is an evidence, is an outward expression of what we have experienced spiritually.  I have made a decision to follow Jesus Christ. So to answer your question, if a person has believed in Christ, at that moment, his name is written in the book of life. If he dies without being water baptized, he will still go to heaven, right? Because salvation is through faith in Christ. It's like, and the example we can point to is the thief on the cross. Jesus said, today you will be with me in paradise. And all the Old Testament saints, all those who believed in Yahweh God before the preaching of the kingdom, they're all people who believe they received justification by faith and they were not baptized in water, but they were all taken to heaven. So all the Old Testament saints are saved just by faith, looking forward. All right. So let's move on into our next topic, lesson number 11, which is on the resurrection of... Yes, okay. I don't know whether you get it.  We are talking about the book of life. So how we will get to know like our name is there, because many people say, many people is comparing their character from Bible, like Paul. They are comparing with Paul's their character. So they are telling, that means my name is, my character is matching that character. So they are telling like that. So how we will get to know this thing? So the question is, is somebody, how do we know somebody's name is written in the book of life? Is it based on character or is it based on salvation? So we have to see, okay, what is this book of life being used for? Right? It is used like we saw in the book of Revelation. The book of life is being used to determine who is going to go into Heaven, who is not. So then we look at, what is the rest of the scripture say about who is going to go into Heaven, who is not going. So the Bible is clear that you go into Heaven because of Salvation through Faith in Jesus. Of course, we have to do live right, but it starts with this. It's based on Salvation through Faith in Jesus. And we are saved not by works, not by our character, but simply by faith. So therefore we conclude that when a person is saved, his or her name is written in the book of life. Now there is no chapter in verse that actually says, when you believe in Jesus, your name is written in the book of life. There is no verse like that, but we are deducing. That means we are thinking through, okay, what is the book of life used for? It is used to see who is going to go into Heaven, who is not going to go into Heaven. What is the rest of the scripture teach us on who is going to go to Heaven, who is not going to go. It's very clear it's through Faith in Jesus. So therefore we arrive at this conclusion. So even though there is no chapter in verse, if you think clearly, if you think logically in this. So now the next part of what we want to talk about is the resurrection of Jesus. How do we know that Jesus was raised from the dead? That happened 2,000 years ago. You and I were not here there. The only record we have is the four gospels and maybe a little bit of historical books that reference something like this. So how can you and I looking at the information given to us come to the conclusion that Jesus rose from the dead? So we say, okay, fine. Let's think about this. What is the information we have about Jesus rising from the dead? Given the account in the four gospels and any historical information. So number one we say is, okay, and let's look at it as though we were as though we were lawyers. Like in a very logical, let's see, can this hold up? So first of all, you'd say, hey, okay, we know what happened. Jesus died on the cross. Joseph of Arimathea, when he got permission, said, please give me the body. I will make sure. But before that, the sanctuary said, hey, go and check if all of them have died. So the Roman soldier came. One thief was not dead yet. So he broke his legs to force him to die. Other thief was not dead yet. So he broke the legs to force him to die. He came to Jesus. So he was dead. But to ensure he was dead, he pierced his side. And it says, okay, you know, blood and water flow.  So the Roman soldier ensured that Jesus was dead. He went back and reported all three of them are dead. Now then he gave permission to Joseph of Arimathea. Okay, you go take the body and you do what you have to do. The Jewish burial, you do it. Fine. So first thing we know, Jesus actually died. Who ensured it? Roman soldier. These people are trained people. They're not going to... The probability of them making a mistake is very little. Or it's almost nothing. Because he made sure everyone are dead. He went and said, they're all dead. So when Joseph of Arimathea took the body, the Jews also were clever. They said, hey, this man said three days he will rise up. So we want you to make sure for him, you send a guard of soldiers to stand in front of the tomb. That means 12 Roman soldiers at least. Well, for one dead man. 12 soldiers, put them around the tomb, stand there. Because he said on the third day he will rise. We want to make sure nobody does anything. So that is the Roman seal. That means after Joseph of Arimathea came, took the body, they did whatever they had to do. The embalming, they put it in the tomb, kept it on the stone, kept his body there. And those days the way they did it was they moved a huge stone. So little Mary could not push the stone. It had to take some big strong men to move the stone and they will push the stone. It's almost like sealing it. Push the stone into the place. I mean, he's sitting there. It cannot be moved easily. And the Roman soldiers when they came, they almost like put a cloth like thing around the tomb. So that is their seal, that cloth like thing which has the Roman emblem. That means nobody crossed this, nobody touched this.  The police line don't cross. Civilians cannot cross. Only authorized people can cross. So similar there, but in those days they used a cloth with a seal, put around the tomb and 12 soldiers standing in front. The penalty of any civilian breaking the seal in those days was death. If you do this, if you cross this thing, 100% because you know you're not supposed to cross. So that is the first thing. There is a Roman seal on the tomb. No civilian will dare cross it because they know the consequence. If you cross it, you also will be on the cross next day or whatever form of killing finished. So would, question is, would any of the apostles, would any civilian have tried to cross the Roman seal? Answer is no. They would not. They know what it means. But in the resurrection, that seal was broken. Who was standing there? 12 Roman soldiers. The Roman soldiers themselves will not break the seal. They also put the seal there. But the seal was broken because it's stone was rolled away. It was pushed out of this place. So that is the first thing. Second, there's an empty tomb in Jerusalem right there. Anybody can go and see it next day. You don't want to cross the tomb. It's right there. So why is that important? Because first, we know this tomb belongs to Joseph of Arimatia. He's got proper documents. This is my tomb. That means he's saying, see, I bought the land. I made this tomb for myself. I have the documents. This is my tomb. There can be no mix up. Joseph of Arimatia's tomb got mixed up with Joseph of Galilee. Not like that. No. This is the tomb of Joseph of Arimatia. Very clear. No mix up. There cannot be any mix up. Because nobody else is going to let you use their tomb for free. This is his own tomb. He has put the body there. That is the tomb. So one, there can be no mix up of the tomb. Secondly, see, if the disciples had done some trick, meaning, hey, let's take Jesus' body far away. He will go somewhere far away. Get on the flight from Jerusalem, fly all the way to Delhi or somewhere. Or somewhere in the Himalayas or somewhere. Fly and bury there. And then we say, he rose up there. Who will go and check? They can make any story. But they did not do that. The tomb was right there. They didn't take the body some far away place and say, we buried him and then he rose up the third day. No, no. He was buried right here. We are not playing any tricks. We put it in this tomb. We know whose tomb it is. Joseph of Arimatia. That man is there. It is his tomb. We put his body right there and that tomb is open and that body is missing right here. Whoever wants to see can go and see. No tricks. We're not saying it happened somewhere. They're far, far away. It happened. No, no, no. It happened right here. So, see, the fact that there is an empty tomb right in the city of Jerusalem, right there in Jerusalem, where anybody can go and see. It's a clear indication that nobody was playing tricks. Some people say, oh, the disciples must have played a trick. They stole the body. They put it somewhere. Nobody could see and they said, he rose up. Hey, what do you say? The tomb was right here. This is Joseph of Arimatia's tomb. You can go and see. All the people who want to go and see can go and see it. There is no trick being played. So that is another thing you have to think about. I think you're sitting like in a court and you're examining all these details. Number three is, yeah. I mean, like the Rome people, they believed that Jesus would rise on the third day, but the disciples did not. The disciples themselves, yeah. Yeah, but look here. So number three is, there's a large stone moved. Again, we have to think about this. The first people who went there were ladies. By themselves, they would not have been able to move the stone and say, ah, move it. And we can tell everybody he rose up from the dead. First people went there were ladies. They themselves are not going to be able to move the stone. It's estimated, I don't know, it's a two ton stone estimated, two and a half, one and a half, two ton stone, big heavy stone. Secondly, if even if the disciples, all 12 of them came together and said, we will move the stone and take his body out. How can they move the stone so quietly? You've got 12 soldiers sitting in front. Even if we had 12 disciples come, man, how are they going to move the stone so quietly without disturbing? Assuming that all these 12 soldiers were asleep, which will not happen, who moved the stone? One cannot be the ladies. Two cannot even be the disciples because the soldiers are right there. And you can't so quietly move the stone. It will be a big noise. A big thing, you'll wake up everybody. So the fact that a large stone was moved and it had to be moved for the body to come out, how they'll happen. One more before the break will go. Number four, the guards ran away. Guards ran away. These are soldiers, trained soldiers, armed soldiers, strong soldiers. They got so scared, they ran. That means something very overwhelming must have happened for them to say, let's run from here. And they ran straight to the high priests because they know if they go and stand before their commander, their leader, they're all dead. So you guys didn't do your job. You deserve death. So they went to the priests. Priests came up with a plan. Say, hey, take this money, each of you. Thank you for doing your job, night duty. Even though it didn't work out, let us create one story. Just say disciples came and stole the body. Which is the wrong, it's not true. We will handle this matter. You go, just disappear. And they spread the rumor, you know, disciples came, stole the body, something there. They must have paid the people, paid the whoever. But the fact is that these Romans were so, so room and guards were so scared. They ran and they ran to the priests saying, hey, what do we do? This happened. So let's pause here and we will continue.