Welcome back to the breakfast on PLOS TV Africa. It's now time for Off The Press, the segment where we take a look at the stories making the headlines on our national dailies. Let's say hello to our guests, the public affairs analysts, Mr. Femi Lawson. Good morning, Mr. Lawson. Good morning. Thank you for joining us. Let's begin with a daily independent newspaper. The headline reads, Condemnation Trails Buhari's Request to Borrow 4 Billion Dollars, 710 Million Euros. Experts, PDP say fresh loans will deepen economy crisis. Above that headline, Edo prohibits unvaccinated persons from entering government offices. Buhari says 1.6 Million Households, 8 Million Nigerians Benefits from CCT. CBN to Establish International Finance Centre. Below the headlines on the daily independent, IPOB, iPob, Wands impersonators. As Southeast is locked down again, Hush Poppy. Buhari will have final say over Abba Kiari's fate, according to the Minister. Says Police Affairs Ministry yet to hear from President on Magu. Buhari seeks stiffer control against small arms and light weapons, as warns FG pushing it beyond limits. UAE names 6 Nigerians as Boko Haram financiers. Nigeria's spending on e-commerce hits $13 billion per annum. Lastly, on the daily independent, e-transmission of results. Listen to Nigerians, PDP Governors charge National Assembly. Big story there says experts and others carpet National Assembly, as Buhari plans $4 billion, 710 million euros borrowings. Loans will reduce poverty, says the President. Public debt rose from 12 trillion naira in June 2015 to 33.11 trillion naira in March 2021. Perpetual borrowing, lawmakers working against Nigerians' interests, will account for the actions, says a group. Also on the punch, VAT battle shifts to Supreme Court as Rivers' challenges order. Rising unemployment can wipe out Nigeria, an elite, can wipe out Nigeria, an elite unsafe, says Ngegei. Lumin strike, hold Federal Government responsible, as who tells parents. We can also find on the punch, indigenous nationalities protest at UN warn against Nigeria's disintegration. And on Kogi prison attack, GGC threatens fleeing inmates with prosecution. Sit at home hurting Southeast, Umahi will be lamenting and violence in Anambran, Inugu. 60 landlords desert houses as flawed over worms in the community. And also fireshift may join PDP national chairmanship race. These are the big stories on the punch this morning. We see similar stories on the Nigerian Tribune, still about the President seeking approval for fresh $4 billion loan and 710 million euros loan. The President, the APC, selling Nigeria, says PDP. I pop bows to pressure. Cancel, sit at home order. COVID-19, Edo begins enforcement of restriction for unvaccinated persons. Ogo joint VAT war, BIO passes second reading at assembly. Amoteku arrest herder for arrest herder, 180 cows for flouting anti-open grazing law. Bajabia Mila endorses Sanhulu for second term. Southern governors meet in Inugu tomorrow. Amcon AIG's CPS to support debt recovery drive. CBN to launch 15 trillion Naira infrastructure fund in October. Kogi jail break, 114 out of 266 fleeing inmates recaptured. Vietnam students block highway over 20,000 Naira late registration fee. And on the this day newspapers, Buhari rally's banking sector supports to leave Nigerians out of poverty. 15 trillion Naira infrastructure ready in October says MFLA, CBN floats Nigerian International Financial Center. Also on the this day on value-added tax, we can go to Supreme Court's one stay of execution nullified. President seeks Senate's approval for $4.179 billion and 710 million euros external loans. The PDP says Buhari and APC sell in Nigeria, urges National Assembly Probe. And ex-Uniali Council member seeks trial of VC for breach of procurement law. Good morning once again to Femi Lawson. Thanks for joining us. All right. I think the most popular story this morning is the loan that the president is once again seeking $4 billion and 710 million euros. What's your reaction to this? We must understand that this borrowing that the president has been pushing the request to the National Assembly in a successive manner is such that has become inevitable because if you followed the process of the making of the 2021 Appropriation Act, you understand that it has been explicitly stated by the president when presenting that budget that the source of funding of this budget, you know, under most of the headings are going to be coming from external borrowing. So today I think what the president is doing is just the inevitable. Even though it is very unfortunate that we have to continue to live on debt as a nation, that we have to continue to use the greater part of our annual budget to service debt. I think Nigerian people, particularly the opposition party, that are not making, you know, noise about this request by the president should have understood that it is not cutting by now. There is a foundation. What road did they plea when the president brought budget to the National Assembly and emphasized that this budget is going to be funded through external borrowing? And we also forgotten that when this request are going to be presented on the floor of National Assembly, members of the opposition party who are legislators are always present to give ratification to some of this request. So I think the PDP in particular must go beyond nearly Asian processes and become serious as an opposition in terms of policy, you know, and critical analysis of government, you know, programs, particularly the making of the budget, which is affecting on the floor. Is it unfortunate that the country so much have matched the debt to the extent that not even the generation that's currently borrowing would be able to pay this by the time it is over? Yeah, well, Mr. Lawson, is it important to also question how well we have used the loans that we've taken in the last six years? Because we move from 12 trillion to 33 trillion Naira debt in five or six years. So is it important to question how well we've used these loans and also maybe also encourage government to look out for other ways that we can save funds in Nigeria? Loans cannot be the only source of income to fund Nigeria's budget. What do you think, Mr. Lawson? You see, our pension for taking loans like we are currently doing is a direct reflection of the own productivity that has characterized governance in Nigeria, not only the federal government. There's hardly any state in Nigeria today that is not indebted either locally or also to foreign lender. And what does this imply? It implies that our states, the federal government, are no longer productive for a country that is so blessed with human and natural resources to rely so much on extra borrowing to run government to fund its programs shows that we are not productive. And there is no way this country can be productive or our state can escape this burden of debt until we begin to look at restructuring this country. We have to exercise for this. Some states in Nigeria have no reason to be poor. Some states in Nigeria have no reason to borrow, but because they are not productive, because the system has also crippled and incapacitated them, they have no other option than to keep borrowing to run government and to service the state. Quite unfortunate also is the fact that majority of these borrowings do not go into capital development, capital projects. A lot is a lot of our spending, figures or recurrence, mostly to service, you know, political office holders in Nigeria are the detriment of developmental projects that will impact on the life of the ordinary people. That is the irony of it. Mr Fermilossin, when we take a look at the papers this morning, we see a story regarding iPob. It's on the Daily Independent. It says iPob wants impersonators as South East is locked down again. And when we go to the Nigerian Tribune, just above the headline, we see the story, iPob bows to pressure, cancels sit at home order. Now, when we took a closer look at the story, we saw that, you know, iPob spokesman came out to say that from September 14th, there was no longer a sit-at-home order in the South East. It's effectively canceled. They went ahead to condemn all the atrocities that have been carried out by people who claim to be members of iPob. The recent motorcycles, the recent incidents of motorcycles being burnt in emo state, they condemned that and said they were going to replace those motorcycles and rebuild the blocks of classrooms that were destroyed. You know, they just went on and on and it seemed like they had turned a new leaf, saying that iPob was a responsible organization that would only sit at home on the days when their leader would be having caught appearances. So what do you think might be responsible for this change of heart? Would you say it's a combination of efforts of, you know, an outcry of Nigerians? Would you say, you know, like Emmanuel Parf, who said it's because of the impact, the economic impact on the South East? Would you say it's the governors, the Orhanes, Indibu, or the president's visit? The problem we are witnessing is the reality, considering the fact that the latest statement is not the first, you know, from iPob, you know, suspending the seat-at-home order, that they have been an earlier directive that the seat-at-home order be suspended. But the unfortunate situation is that criminal elements within the South East have exploited the seat-at-home order to unleash violence, to assault people, and to many innocent people under the guise of enforcing the seat-at-home order. The seat-at-home order, for the avoidance of doubt, is a civil form of protest by people to express their displeasure to whatever police or whatever are happening around them. And what does it mean to sit at home? It's a voluntary action. It is left for those who choose to sit at home to sit, and those who want to express their constitutional right of free movement to also do. But when it gets to the point where non-state actors, militia, are beginning to enforce what ordinarily should be a civil action, then that must be treated truly as a criminal offense. It is impressive that the governments of the South East and stakeholders are rising up to speak against this evil. It is very clear that some elements are held to sabotage the IPOB agenda. The IPOB, of course, has been known to organize itself, especially when its leader, Inam De Kano, was around. But that non-delay, the IPOB must not allow these criminal elements to sabotage its agitation. Otherwise, everything that it has demanded for, all this work it has agitated for, will be swept under the drain. IPOB has to be very careful at this point in time. There must be clear court-defined leadership, even in the absence of Inam De Kano, where it looks like all sorts of characters must speak for IPOB because of the absence of their leader. So IPOB also has the responsibility to have a clearly defined leadership that will give orders and all some of these things that they are doing, not just a gang of criminals operating as IPOB, assaulting people, destroying people's property, stopping children from writing examinations. It is time IPOB come out with an alternative leadership that will be speaking and representing its voice. Okay, Mr Lawson, let's now also talk about the value-added tax debate as the River State government seems to be moving to the Supreme Court to, of course, get favorable ruling if possible. How do you see this playing out? Well, it's important that we do not see this as a River State issue anymore, even though Governor Wiki has led, you know, the crusade for some of, for what some of us see as the right thing and a very big part towards the structure in this country. Only yesterday the deal, you know, on that also scaled the security of the River State Assembly. And I can assure you that more and more states, not only in the South, even in the North, will join this litigation by the FIRS against River State government, you know, and others who have not shown interest. It is time for us to begin to really define some of these dictates of our constitution that have been abused, that have been misinterpreted by our pre-teams of the successive administration in Nigeria. We must understand that it is not this administration of President Buhari that took over the collection of tax evacts from states. It has been there, but it is good that the state is coming to correct this impression. And Governor Wiki is really writing by ensuring that adequate judicial interpretation is given to the usual VA, VAT, especially the ruling of the Federal High Court in Potakot, which gave the power to collect, you know, VA to save. So I think it is the right state and I think more states should be interested in what Governor Wiki is currently championing on the VAT. I'm just to quickly add to that. Is there any other way around this? Do you think the Supreme Court or the Court of Appeal in any way can interpret the constitution different or the FIRS still has, you know, something to fight for? It is within the right of the FIRS to continue to, you know, fight for the retention of his power to collect the VAT. But the truth is that it is also the exclusive preserve of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution of the Federal Republic, because you are giving the Supreme Court that power. And I think the Supreme Court is the appropriate authority that will do the interpretation outside as regards the power of states and what categories of taxes are states empowered to collect in Nigeria. So I think the FIRS has not also shown any posture of willing to engage these states on this tax issue. So I think the best thing to be done is, of course, to approach the Supreme Court. Mr. Larson, finally from me, there's a story on the daily independence just at the bottom left that reads UAE names six Nigerians as Boko Ram financiers. We've heard statements from the UAE, you know, even last year that he knows someone in government, you know, that was a member of the Boko Ram financiers list. And now it's named about 38 people and about 15 agencies. And amongst them is six Nigerians. What do you expect the UAE and the Nigerian government to do with this information? What I think the Nigerian government must do at this point in time is to consolidate on what the UAE government has done by exposing locally people who have been identified as consul of Boko Ram and other incident groups in the country. We have intelligence organizations like the DSS, the NIA, DIA, all of them have been recalled of how the activities of Boko Ram and some of these incident groups have been financed in the past. And I don't think it is right for government to continue to conceal the identity of these people, especially at a time that these insurgents are becoming more embodied, more empowered, and more sophisticated, even for the Nigerian forces to tackle. One of the best ways to tackle these minutes of insurgency is to expose their sponsors just like UAE is doing, just like United States has also promised to do. And we can begin to reduce, you know, the sources of funding, you know, another empowerment that is giving them the leverage that they are so much enjoying in the country today. So I think the government of Nigeria must be sincere enough not only to get these six individuals that have been linked to sponsorship of insurgency, you know, probe that prosecuted, but also expose more, including those that have been accused of being in government, you know, who are behind the sponsorship of Boko Ram and other incident groups. All right. And of course, Asu once again is talking about strike here in the country, and they say, you know, the federal government should be blamed if they eventually go back on strike. Femi Larson, do you think that the Nigerian government, you know, has failed in managing these crises here and there, including with the NARD? The Nigerian government has not been fair in the way it has been dealing with public education in the country. It is very unfortunate that we have a bunch of leaders whose children school abroad and are not in any way interested in the fate of education in the country. Just like Asu said, and for some of us who have followed the dispute between us of federal government for over 10 years, you come to realize that federal government, according to Asu, have only been able to fulfill one of the major points of demand of Asu. And we must always understand that the demands of Asu are not just about the welfare of university teachers, but also the improvement on the state of education on our campuses. And I think for any society that is willing to genuinely develop and does not want to live its future in death, like we're currently doing, such country must take education seriously. And our country is not taking this, it is very unfortunate that we continue to have no lower budget appropriation, then fundamental issues that have to be addressed, like what has been raised by Asu, have not been addressed. And I think it is within the right of Asu as an industrial union to use that only tool. It has, which is tight to make it demand. But I think the federal government should not allow Asu to go on another strike this time around, you know, before attending to some of these, even if these demands cannot be met, you know, all suddenly as well, I think there must be some serious mess and more to be done than one of the points that have been addressed by the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Fermilas and public affairs analysts, we appreciate your insights on off the press this morning. All right. So with us, we're going to be going back in history next and sharing with you what happened on this day, 15th of September, many years ago. I'm going back to talk about the one of the famous names in boxing, Muhammad Ali, and what he was able to achieve on this day. And I'm going back to the year 2020, just a year ago to tell you about a landmark ruling regarding the death of Breonna Taylor. Stay with us.


Members' statements. The Member for Mrs. Saga Malton. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, film production in Ontario contributes over $3 billion in economic activity and supports over 45,000 jobs film production and festivals support and provide cultural bridges connecting diverse communities and fostering dialogue and understanding with Mrs. Saga Malton serving as a central hub for several of its major activities. The International Film Festival of South Asia IFSA celebrated their 12th film festival as a shining beacon of cultural celebration, artistic exploration and economic vitality for Ontario. IFSA Toronto made a significant economic impact by attracting local and international participation. It enhanced Ontario's reputation as a global cultural hub. IFSA has actively working to strengthen the South Asian film production and distribution industry in Ontario by promoting the various credits and support provided by the Government of Ontario and fostering vital international connections. Mr. Speaker, IFSA Talent Fund, the festival fosters homegrown talent and extends its impact throughout the year with comprehensive learning series and various year-round activities. My best wishes were IFSA Toronto to continue being a cultural and economic catalyst in Ontario as it evolves and expands as a symbol of Ontario's commitment to cultural diversity and creativity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Member Statements, the Member for Waterloo. Thank you very much. Yesterday on November 1st, an unprecedented 12 Waterloo Region ambulances were on off-load delay for up to 15 hours. St. Mary's Hospital, same day, 10 ambulances waiting to off-load. Paramedics say that they are facing a crisis that can no longer be ignored. This is dangerous. It's happening across Ontario with no cure offered by the Ford Government. Off-load delays occur when paramedics cannot transfer the patient, the care of the patient over to the hospital due to a lack of space or staffing. So they are stuck waiting instead of responding to calls, usually waiting in a hall in the hospital or a parking lot. When people call 9-1-1, it's because they need an ambulance. They need a paramedic. They need medical assistance. It's not one of the calls that you make and you're saying, well, I can stay on hold for an hour. Code Reds occur when there are no ambulance available to respond to calls. In Waterloo Region, there were 87 Code Reds over the first nine months of 2022. John Rich's Chief of Paramedics calls this deeply concerning. Paramedic services is currently losing the equivalent of three 12-hour ambulance shifts per day to off-load delay. Waterloo is resilient. They've brought in their own local solutions. But let's be honest, the province needs to acknowledge that this is a real issue affecting Ontarians. Code Reds should not be the new normal in the province of Ontario. Thank you very much. Member Statements. The Member for Scarborough Agincourt. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister of Transportation has given the green light to start early planning work for the Shepherd Subway extension, which will examine connecting the current terminus of line four at Don Mills Station with the future Scarborough Subway extension. As part of this work, Metrolinx has also been asked, tasked with investigating a possible western extension from Shepherd Young Station to Shepherd West Station at Allen Road. Accordingly, Metrolinx is launching three community consultations meetings this November to seek the input of the community to extend the TTC's current line four along Shepherd Avenue. Input and feedback received from the community members during the consultation is an important component of the initial business case recommendation. Finally, after years of failed promises, endless debates, and redundant votes, the Shepherd extension is one step closer to realisation. Here, here. Commuters in Scarborough deserve the same access to reliable public transit as the people living in downtown Toronto. Delivering safe, faster, and more convenient travel options to our commuters is my ultimate goal. It is my honour and privilege to serve the residents of Scarborough Agent Court. Promise made, promise kept. Thank you. The Member for Thunder Bay, Superior North. Thank you, Speaker. I want to pay tribute this morning to the many non-profit organisations that operate on inadequate budgets while providing essential services to our communities. Non-profits provide supports in times of crisis, and they are also the cultural and recreational lifeblood of our communities. Demand for non-profit services is through the roof, yet the sector is running on fumes. In Thunder Bay, we have lost the important street outreach service known as the SOS, and we have also lost the sexual assault clinic in Victoriaville Mall. These losses are devastating for my community, and the Ontario non-profit network is warning that many more vital services will collapse without significant changes in how the government supports this sector. Organisations struggle to attract and keep staff because one-off project-based funding means that all jobs are short-term and precarious. Organisations need stable, long-term funding that reflects the true cost of delivering services and programmes. Without a significant change in how governments deal with the non-profit sector, it will disappear, and with it, our social cohesion. Government members need to look carefully at the recommendations of the Ontario non-profit network and do what is necessary to support the critical work of these vital community organisations. Thank you, Speaker. Thank you very much. The next Member Statement. Member for Hastings, Lenox and Addington. Thank you, Speaker. November is Diabetes Awareness Month. As noted by the Member from Simpo Gray, this year marks 100 years since Dr. Banting and Dr. McLeod received their Nobel Prize for the discovery of insulin to help people with diabetes. Before that discovery, people with diabetes were people dying of diabetes. And now, they are people living with diabetes. Speaker, did you know that 30% of Ontarians live with diabetes, but only 11% are actually diagnosed? Living with diabetes can be a full-time job. Those with diabetes need to be pharmacists, dieticians, doctors, mathematicians in their everyday lives. And this is why our government continues to support Ontarians living with diabetes. In March of 2022, we added life-saving, real-time glucose-moderning systems to the ADP program, leading to better self-management, leading to healthier lives. And then in April of this year, our government passed a motion by the amazing MPP, for the Ministry of Health to develop a framework for chronic diseases, including diabetes. Speaker, what started as Banting's research project to save the life of a 13-year-old boy on the brink of death has now became an entire life-saving medical sector. Mr. Speaker, I'm very proud to be a part of a government that continues to work towards improving the lives of Ontarians living with diabetes. Members statements? The member for Niagara Falls. Thank you. The Premier said that the Green Belt is a scam, but we know it's important for the environment and it's a heart of our agricultural industry in Niagara. It's an important part of our local economy to the wine and grape growing industry. My riding and the riding process account for nearly 90% of all grapes grown in Ontario. Local farmers are suffering due to lack of support. An unfair tax structure on 100% Ontario wine and limited shelf space for local wines at the LCBO. Farmers watch their grapes rot on the vine while the government ignores their struggles. It's not right that the concerns prioritise wine from other countries over local wines. We need a level playing field, support from our local industry, our grape growers, and the land they work on. The LCBO must step up and provide more shelf space for Ontario wines. Our local wineries create jobs, boost tourism, drive our economy. They deserve better. It's time we come together to protect our Green Belt and support our Niagara wine and grape growing industry. We mustn't share our farmers can thrive The time is now to stand up for our local economy and the environment we hold dear. Let's make Ontario's Green Belt and wine industry stronger than ever. Thank you. Thank you very much. Member Statements. Member for Bruce Gray, Owen Sound. Thank you Speaker. Last Sunday it was my pleasure to be at the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 6 in Owen Sound for a great event put on by the Billy Bishop Museum honouring local veterans in our Grey Bruce community. Colleagues, as you may know, Billy Bishop was a Canadian flying ace in the First World War. He was officially credited with 72 victories making him the top Canadian and British ace of the war. He also received a Victoria Cross. What you may not know about Billy Bishop was that he was born and grew up in the great community of Owen Sound. Billy Bishop's home on 3rd Avenue West is now a wonderful museum where visitors can learn more of the history of this great Canadian hero. Last Sunday the Billy Bishop Museum and Owen Sound Legion again hosted a wonderful event to honour nine local veterans. The event was attended by many family members and friends of the honorees because as we know, when veterans serve, their families also serve. We heard about the amazing service of these veterans, their perseverance, their dedication and their commitment to our country. Thank you to all these great nine Greybrews veterans, your actions and have given us the way of life. We are also lucky to enjoy today. Thank you. Thank you very much. Member Statements. Member for Canada. Member for Canada. Member for Canada. Member for Canada. Member for Canada. Thank you very much. Member Statements. Member for Kingston and the Islands. Time is money. The time wasted in the Conservative Government's shady green-belt deals digging a hole and filling it in getting it done and then getting it undone has delayed the building of housing. Time is money. A minister resigned and staff was replaced. The new minister after he took the time to get up to speed even had to compensate municipalities. Pickering and Grimsby spent $442,000 for time spent working on green belt removals. Others will have to be compensated for the time wasted on shady, undone urban boundary expansions. Time is money. Now interest rates have gone up. Housing projects are stalled. Why didn't the Conservative Government follow their own task force, or any of the task forces from cities across Canada, since rents started taking off in 2018? Why didn't they eliminate exclusionary zoning, make it legal to build the medium density and mixed neighbourhoods we need, instead of waiting for the Federal Government to hold their hand and show the way? Time is money. Now the Conservative Government is following the Federal lead and cutting the HST on purpose-built rentals. That's great, but why wait to have their hand held by the Federal Government? Why couldn't they have done this much earlier? This Government has wasted the time of Ontarians, wasted their money and wasted this province's opportunity to prosper and thrive. Thank you very much. Member Statements. Member for Oakville. Thank you. As Remembrance Day draws near, it becomes even more important for us to honour the brave Canadian heroes who have sacrificed so much to defend our freedom, rights and democracy. During times of war, every Canadian in every province, regardless of age, came together in their own way, all aiming for a common goal, which was peace. Speaker, our brave men and women gave their lives for freedom and peace, not just for us, but for future generations. Membraying their sacrifice is vital. We must never forget the courage and commitment they showed. We must never forget the likes of an Oakville resident whose name stands etched on the Bronte Cenotaph. This Cenotaph, located in the centre of Bronte Village by the lake, honours those individuals from World War I, II and Korea. It stands in Chris Vogue's memorial park dedicated to Major General Christopher Vogue, an Oakville resident and distinguished World War II veteran. Major General Vogue's exemplified courage led the first Canadian Infantry Division through several battles in Italy and Germany, the most famous, of course, which many know, the capture of Ortona. While the park recognises Major General Vogue's, the Bronte Cenotaph is a tribute to everyone who served. It tells us we must always remember. And I hope that everybody in Ontario will take time this November 11th to remember the brave individuals who gave their lives for our country, lest they forget. Thank you. Member Statements. I recognise the member for Perth Wellington. Thank you, Speaker. It's a privilege to rise here today and to speak about one of the most important days of the year, Remembrance Day. It's the day that we all take a pause to remember the immense sacrifices of Canadian men and women, which they made in World War I, World War II, Korea, Afghanistan and countless peacekeeping operations around the globe. It is truly hard to imagine what our veterans have done and continue to do to fight for freedom that we also enjoy in Ontario and Canada. In my riding at Perth Wellington, we are fortunate to have a great sense of patriotism and pride in our veterans. In my own family, Speaker, my great uncles helped liberate Rome in World War II. The town of Arthur is known as Canada's most patriotic village because of the extraordinary efforts in the Second World War. It holds a series of beautiful memorials and monuments in their down-count core to honour those who have fought. And earlier this year, the City of Shrapford lost an amazing World War II veteran, Art Boone, who was a veteran of the Norban Day invasion on D-Day, a tank crew member, someone who shared his stories with the next generation countless times and was the long-time emcee of the Shrapford Remembrance Day ceremony. And this will be the first year without Art's presence speaker. Speaker, I know all of us in this place are truly grateful for Canada's men and women that don the uniform day in and day out, lest we forget. Thank you. That concludes our member's statements.


Hi everyone, Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com, coming at you with a full case break, our last case, by the way, for the time being, of 2020 Panini Immaculate Baseball Eight Box. Pick your team number 10 from jaspyscasebreaks.com. Big thanks to all of these wonderful people here for getting into the action here, and pick your team 10. Thanks for hanging with me on a Friday. A little basketball in the background.  Derek with that last spot mojo, scared might not make money. And we got a couple number blocks that we did. So everyone here should be familiar with our number blocks. So just for those teams, and just in pick your team 10, and then we had a separate one as well, a second one featuring those teams, number block for those teams, and just for that break as well. We did these in separate videos, so they'll be uploaded separately, if you wanna look at the results of that. All right, put this on my little football paper stand there. There it is, there's Immaculate Baseball. Good luck everybody. Keep an eye on the website. You never know when we're gonna get any more. Sometimes cases like this can fall into our lab from our distributors, but for now, this is it. All right, so you can see on the top camera, the four boxes right here, and I'm gonna stack another three right on top of that right there as well, just to give myself all this room right over here. Good luck everybody. Some nice stuff in this Immaculate Baseball, boys and girls. Milwaukee Bucks are about to go down to Miami 303, unless they scored 12 points in the last 20 seconds, which I don't think's gonna happen, crazy. Let's get a blank card here to hide the hits. I'm gonna slow play it a little bit. Some of you may have seen Metz colors on there and you'd be right. It's team logo, Ahmed Rosario. There you go, two out of 15. Metz are a number block team, and that is Jared Morling, with Metz two. Yeah, I didn't think I was gonna win that, Ryan H. I did have a small financial interest in Miami to win this. All right, 13 out of 49. Shoyo Tani Jersey, going to the Halos, Matt D. And we've got an Anthony K., that's a great dual relic, an autograph, 11 out of 15 for the Toronto, which number block which is over here, Ryan H., with number one. There you go, some nice color in those windows there. We've got AJ Puck, three color patch, an autograph, 17 out of 31. That'll be for Matthew and the A's, Matt Stubblefield. Today's a strong day, Ryan H. And we've got Jordan Yamamoto, some another great bit of color in that window. 37 out of 49 for Miami, Matthew Stubblefield. Back to back, he's heating up. Yeah, Puck is, AJ Puck's kind of like a, I think I've heard him compared to like the big unit, you know, tall, lanky, lefty, a lot of heat from that arm, that long flowing show hair that he has. And then we've got Adran Moron, Jersey and autograph on a bit of leather right there, 88 out of 99. 2.1 innings in his debut versus Chicago. Chris Fries with the Padres, box two. Yeah, Miami wins, 115-100. Miami leads the series, 3-0. No team has ever come back from a 3-0 deficit to win a best of seven series. It's gonna be tough. It'd be quite a story. Next we've got Houston's George Springer, 15 out of 49. Two-color dual relic, Houston is a number block team. And Houston five is Matthew Stubblefield. We've got an Ichiro base card, eight out of 51. 10-time All-Star for Seattle. Chris Fries with the M's. We've got Quad Relic and autograph, extra bases auto, Rhino Herne, 12 out of 25. Kansas City two. KC two is Rick Serrano. There you go, Rick. A lot of nice relics in there. Next up we've got debut moments. That's Brendan McKay. Six shut out innings versus the Rangers last June. 43 out of 49, Tampa Bay, Ian with the raise. He can hit a little bit too. Might be another future two-way player. Guy there's Azra and Motohon again, 16 out of 25. Three-color jersey and autograph. Chris Fries with the Friars. And back here we've got Sheldon Newsy. Three-color passion auto, 34 out of 49. Oakland A's Matthew Stubblefield. We gotta flip over to ESPN. That's where my Lakers are playing. There we go. Rockets, Lakers, ESPN. All right, next box. Look, just pick your team 10 folks. Not sure if we're gonna have any more Immaculate Baseball, but keep an eye on the website. You never know when we can dig some of this stuff back up. I think I see a printing plate right there. You can sort of tell because there's no corner, right? It's a rounded corner. Traverse Story, 42 out of 99. Jersey for the Rocks, that's gonna be for Serenity. We've got Logan Webb, Jumbo Relic, 45 out of 49. For the Giants, Giants are a number block team. Part of that Houston group.  Fernando Tetease Jr., 36 out of 99. Piece of his jersey going to Chris. He's playing well. He's hitting well. He's doing well. Plate coming up. There's Abraham Toro, 14 out of 25. Houston Four is, there you go, Joe. Joe Carmonas with that one. Getting back into the swing. See ya. I feel like he's got a decent autograph. I just need it to be a little bit bigger here. I wanna make that bigger just like that. All right, the plate is autographed. Dual Relic and Auto. It's the kid, Ken Griffey Jr., Reds Edition. That's Rick Thomas with the Cincinnati Red Legs. Not bad, a nice one of one. Rick, all aboard the Big Hit Express. Woo-hoo! Got a great autograph too. Kinda hard to contain his excellent auto inside that sticker. It's a little close, but it's still nice. All right, next up, Jake Fraley. Nice sparkle, right there. Silver sparkle, 80 out of 99. Mariners, Chris with the M's. The last card in this box, jersey and autograph on a piece of the lumber, Josh Rojas. Two hits at Colorado is his debut moment. Four out of 49. This is a Diamondback, Arthur with the D-backs. He's got a cool auto, Arthur, look at that. Arizona definitely trading away some key players, essentially going into a rebuild, but you do have some youngsters. Rojas could be one of those youngsters coming up the ranks. Kettle Marte still on that team. Starting pitcher, Zach Gallin. One hit my Dodgers a couple of nights ago through like six or seven innings. Next box, good luck. Gonna grab those cards at a weird angle. All right, Raphael Devers up top. 21 out of 25, piece of his lumber. That goes to Boston. Boston one is on this list here. Rick Serrano with Boston one, there you go. All right, we got Juan Soto, 95 out of 99, piece of his jersey. Nationals are a number block team. Washington five is Matthew Stubblefield. That five's been hitting nicely for Matt. Debut moments, Tress Barreira, 30 out of 49. This is another national, right? Yeah, so another number block. He doesn't get stats, his is just debuts versus Cleveland. That's it. 30 out of 49, Rhea with Washington zero. We got Kenny Lofton, Braves addition. 28 out of 49, Kenny Lofton. All right, then that goes to Jose Zepeda and the Bravos, there you go. By the way, I think we haven't seen one yet here, I'll talk about it after the next card. 42 out of 64, Sheldon Newsy. Three color patch and autograph. It's another A for Matt Stubblefield. And we've got another Jordan Yamamoto for Matt Stubblefield. There you go, three out of 10 this time. Great color in that little patch. And an autograph right on a piece of his bat. I don't think he'll be swinging that anymore. I think the DH might just be in baseball forever now. Seven shutout innings in his debut. I was gonna say there are blockchain cards in this, baseball blockchain cards, but on groupratechecklist.com and on cardboardconnection.com, they don't have a full checklist. I guess one wasn't released. So we'll go by our non-checklist rules. So if it's a active player, it'll go to the team they're currently on right now on September 4th, 2020. If they're an inactive player, if they're retired, they'll go to the team that they've played for the longest. And there's our first blockchain card. There's usually two per case, I wanna say. And this blockchain card is TJZoop. It was a blue jade. So that one's easy. That goes to Toronto. And Toronto's a number block team. So that's a redemption Toronto Zero West Thomas. And we've got Chris Paddock, 30 out of 99 for Chris and the Friars. A lot of Padres in this break too. We have free top loader with the blockchain redemption. Those are valuable these days. We've got the legends, Tim Reigns, 16 out of 49 for Montreal. And of course, Expo stuff goes to the Nets. So Nationals are a number block team. So it's Washington Six.  And we've got Jeff Bagwell, two out of 99 for Houston. Houston two, Rick Serrano. The Big Hurt, nine out of 25 for the White Sox. White Sox are a number block team. Chicago, White Sox nine, Yervin. There you go. The Big Hurt, trust me Yervin, she'll like it too. There you go, Caleb, no worries. Congrats man. Jersey and Otto, Michael King, 27 out of 99 for Derrick Molensen and the Yankees. Last spot Mojo strikes again.  I had a little financial interest in the heat. I didn't think I was gonna win it tonight. My gut was correct. Travis Demarit, 11 out of 50. Jersey and autograph, debut jumbo relic for the Tigers, Steve Locke. And the last one out of this box is Davie Gruyon, batting stance, relic and autograph. What kind of, is that a batting glove? That looks like a batting glove, right? Six out of 25 for Philadelphia. And Philadelphia is a number block team. Philly's six is gonna be for Chris DeBona. All right, three bots to go, good luck. Another blockchain card on the bottom. And it's gonna be, this is an easy one too. Kyle Lewis, great Seattle Mariners player, going to rookie, going to Chris Freeze. Got the M's straight up and a free top loader with it. It's valuable. And got Alex Kirlov, 18 out of 49 for the twins prospect, Chris Parent. Yes, Comic-Con, that's it. That's all we got for tonight. Brian Abrayu, four out of 10 for the Stroes. Some good color there. Jersey number patch. And it's Joe Carmonis with Houston four. That's what he's about right there. Anthony Rizzo, five out of 25. Got a bit of the Cubs pinstripe there. Maybe a little infield dirt in there, you see that? That's pretty cool. And a big chance with the Cubbies. And we got Michael King again, but this time in this cool monochrome design right here. I think that looks really sharp. Jersey, silver ink auto on the eye black, 38 out of 49. Derek Molanson with the Yankees. Got the Yankees straight up. Boba Shet, Blue Jays, 23 out of 49. Toronto three, TJ. First hit for number three on the Toronto side. First hit for TJ is a nice one. Boba Shet, RPA. There you go. And we got Davy Gruyon again for the Phillies, 97 out of 99. Goes to West Thomas at number seven. And the last one here is, wow, that's nice. Out of 10, you have the R of Rockies in there. Four out of 10, Sam Hilliard for Serenity and the Rocks. All right, just two to go, ladies and gentlemen. All right, we've got Alberto Mandisi, eight out of 25 for Kansas City. Kansas City eight, KC eight, TJ. You're welcome, TJ. We got Jason Dominguez, Jersey number, Relic. Eight out of 10.  Got the Yankees straight up. That looks really cool. We got Joe Palumbo, strong start to career. 30 out of 99, I believe this is a Rangers prospect. Yeah, Texas, that's for Dustin with the Rangers. We got a five out of five, Jose Canseco Rangers edition. Couple pieces of his lumber and his autograph. I think he was a ranger when that famous home run ball off the top of his head. There you go, Dustin with the Rangers out of fives and under, get the train whistle. All aboard the Big Head Express. Woo-hoo! It's right off the noggin. Then we got Randy out of Zarena. Got a little smiley face in there. Three color patch and autograph, nine out of 68 or out of 60, it looks like. No, his number, sorry, 66. His autograph kind of covers it.  There you go, Chris. Then we got Jersey and autograph. Brock Berg, five out of 49, six shutout innings. In his debut, that's a ranger too, right? Yes, Texas, Dustin with the Rangers. All right, and the final box coming up. Last box here in Pigger Team 10, Immaculate Baseball. Thanks everyone for getting in. There's Andrew Cushing, eight out of 49 for Philly. That goes to TJ in Philadelphia, eight. Nice catch, game-worn material in there as well. We got Legends Relic, that's Roy Campanella. Old Dodger, 13 out of 49, piece of his lumber. Going to David Ross and my boys in blue. Oh, look at this, Brewstar Greaterall. One out of five, that's awesome. Some nice lettering right there. Probably the N in Los Angeles maybe against the road grays. And his autograph, David Ross with my Dodgers, nice. There you go, David. All aboard, the big hit express. Woo-hoo, that's a great hit. And we've got another good patch right there. Another train whistle, that's Ryan Braun. Three out of five for the Brew Crew. That's a number block. Milwaukee three, Mark L. There you go, Mark. All aboard, woo-hoo. Nice, two more to go, ladies and gentlemen. We got Sean Murphy, six out of 49, three-color patch and auto. Matthew Stubblefield in the A's. And the last one here is another nice one. Wow, look at that patch. For the Cubs, 81 out of 99, Nico Herner, two-color patch and auto. It's the red of the Cubs lettering. David Chan, that is awesome. What a great break. Ladies and gentlemen, there you go, David. Thanks for getting in. Thanks, everyone. No randomizers or anything. No, nice, clean break of Immaculate Baseball. Thanks, everyone, for joining our breaks on Jaspy's casebreaks.com. I'm Joe, and I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye-bye.


Welcome to another Course in Miracles live broadcast and today I have two of my dear friends that are down in La Casa de Milagros in Mexico, Amelia and Lucia. So welcome, thank you for coming on with me. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Yeah, it's so beautiful because I had done like these restream lives one with you and Amelia when you were in Bali and then Lucia when you were over in the UK and that was quite a while ago. It may seem like a long time ago considering all the shifts and changes. I know Amelia, you know, even you're getting to the United States it was loaded with all kinds of experiences there in Bali and then we were in touch and then meeting a friend of mine Ruth when you landed.  So and both of you are part of an intern program there at La Casa de Milagros which is so healing. It's just, there's so much healing that occurs and I think that's why I wanted to have you on just to hear a little bit from each of you how the healing has gone because it's kind of pretty huge in terms of really spiritual healing we could call it. So yeah, as either of you want to go first, share. Do you want to start? Yeah. Yeah, well what's what's happening for me at the moment, I think it yeah is, yeah all around sacrifice and feeling I think when I first came I don't know, I sort of dropped everything, got here, left my boyfriend, left my career, left everything to come here and I think I felt yeah I felt a lot of fear and I'm still feeling a lot of fear but I kind of had a bit of a pop, a breakthrough yesterday with one of the other interns here, Andrea because I was I was crying and I was I was just like why why am I feeling so much fear all of the time like all of the time like surely it can't be this hard like I I don't know what's going on and and she just said you're denying yourself, Lucia, don't deny don't deny and she was like David always tells me don't deny don't deny and I was like what do you mean deny and she was like she got her notebook out and she said right what do you want what do you want and I was like I don't know I don't know what I want and and then she's like no in your heart honestly what do you want she was like stop trying to be spiritual stop trying to be a good course of miracle student good community member you know trying to watch everything you do and say like just just in your heart what do you want and I hadn't let myself do that this whole time like I hadn't let myself really connect with what I actually want and I went through everything like I want I want a relationship I want to have you know I love performing I want to perform I honestly want to be being an an actor I want to sing which is all the things that I used to do um I want I want to see my family I love my family and I want to have lots of friends and she and so she's like this is great this is great we're just writing it all down and it just felt like oh my gosh like this huge release like oh Jesus isn't asking for any sacrifice from me and I thought he was like I thought I thought he was asking me to just trudge along you know trying to be I don't know trying to find God through whatever like some sort of like strict none or something and I was saying to Amelia maybe I was like a nun in her past life and had to like sacrifice seemingly sacrifice all these things and yeah so we just wrote it all down and then we just prayed and she said Jesus if you want me to have any of these things you show me you show me the way you show me what to do and you know if any of these things are supposed to come into my life they'll come through you and it just felt so good yeah some sort of big big release for me and now and now I just feel like this spaciousness where I can really yeah I can enjoy being here and healing happens you know it's like intense you know when you have reflections from other people and day your thoughts and and I've had huge reflections of jealousy and comparison from myself to others and others to me and then and and my whole kind of career has been about that has been about you know who's better who's worse and I had a beautiful joining with Marina today actually and she was like you want everyone to shine like you want you want to shine and you want everyone to shine and that's how the healing happens because yeah it's like we can all shine together and that's what needs to be given out so there's no competition and just just yeah it's just like yeah so yeah I feel good today what a heartwarming thought for everyone I think we've got 46 viewers and everyone got to hear that you want to shine and you want everyone to shine you can feel the love and the warmth in in that and and the blessing what a blessing too to send that prayer out to the whole universe yeah thank you for sharing that that's beautiful yeah yeah and Amelia how how has it been for you well yeah wow I mean yeah there has been so much like both like just feeling a love that I have never felt before and then also a lot of fear that comes up and doubt thoughts and yeah during the night or in the morning like this fear creeps in and I'm also feeling it a little bit right now and yeah we also talked a little bit about it before we hopped on like just it is a lot being here in community together and going through this together there is a lot of fear that comes up and and yeah I mean for me I have been kind of like hiding I think and not really being myself and then I I came out on Facebook not long ago where I just shared my journey because I was just like oh my god I just want to be free I want to be myself and yeah that was just like a really big deal for me because this the course and Jesus it's so new to me and and yeah I realized like within the last couple of days actually where I've been taking a couple of days off like I just felt like Jesus was really like really calling me like in a way of like I needed to really know him and feel him and be with him and trust him and and then I realized that I did follow him I did come to community I did follow but I realized I still had some kind of control inside me like wanting to control the future wanting to control outcomes and yeah and and for me my call right now is like I'm just like in surrender surrender surrender to him and like I give up like I tried it my own way like I'm trying to make myself happy and pursue all of these goals and I'm just like oh my god it was a mess I was in the darkness and I didn't even know how much in darkness I was and yeah it's just a journey of dropping the mask and not trying to be someone not trying to yeah become someone it's really the opposite it's very humbling and like I don't have a clue and I need to just follow and so yeah that's that's really what's going on for me right now it's really really surrendering to Jesus I'm knowing that he helps me and yeah I'm only here to be helpful I'm only here to follow like I'm not here to try to become anything or figure out my life like the opposite please take it I don't want to figure it out anymore like please can someone just leave me now hmm so yeah that's really what I've just been praying about the last couple of days like I'm surrendering to you I surrender surrender like please like I just want you I just want you and yeah that just feels so good oh yeah what a prayer what a prayer of the heart just of surrender I surrender to you guide me lead me point the way and and and then of course then any kind of thoughts that come up or anything that we see reflected sometimes with family friends sometimes with our our peers or those that are around us it's it can be quite intense like Lucia was saying to see the reflections so close the mirrors so close and it's kind of funny too with this world where there's all these different pathways and they seem to be very different in terms of pathways and religions and everything but but to be transparent like both of you are to just to be authentic and to trust that that it's highly individualized you know it we go through this trusting and letting go but it looks different for everyone and there's no need to feel like we have to do it a certain way or have to defend the way that it looks or whatever little by little it seems like we get more trusting just to to keep our our constant contact and attention on what we feel in our heart and really go with that and learn to trust our intuition in our inner guidance and not feeling we have to fix fix ourselves or or fit into certain kind of standards uh like we've been so used to that with our programming you know looking outside of ourselves and comparing and how does this work and how am I doing how does it measure up you know that's that's a lot of the past programming that we're just letting go of and it seems like when we let go then that makes a space for things to really just unfold and we can start to just appreciate oh here's what's happening now here's how it looks now instead of trying to you know make a judgment about how it looks now just oh okay this is how it looks now interesting yeah yeah i would have never seen myself here that's for sure like this i would have never figured out on my own like never it's the opposite of where i was going but yeah when you feel the prompt inside and you just feel like something is calling you like yeah you have to trust that there's a reason why my heart is like screaming and like please go do this like you just need to surrender to that and and trust that you are loved and that someone got you yeah yeah i think it's really valuable for a lot of people that are tuning in that you you both uh melia you and danmark and then you see you and uk you know you you grew up you you had your educations and trainings and took maybe some steps along like a career path and so on and so forth and then and then both of you seem to have a it's just a strong spiritual calling we could call it you know we don't have to give it any kind of specific name just a strong spiritual calling and then and then the steps came and started to present themselves to you to kind of unwind a bit i know melia you went to bali and that was a very important aspect step and stage in your healing to kind of unwind from danmark and a lot of the maybe the pressures that you were putting on yourself there and and then lucy with you you know it's you were getting quite established there uh in acting and kind of on a career path and everything and then i guess you told me you kind of just kind of played it out in your mind like okay if i played this out for some decades how does it feel and in that sense you you kind of brought it back to your inner calling like is this really the way i am i'm meant to go which is a huge thing to to just give yourself permission to to do that and then when you do take the steps sometimes the fear comes up some pretty intense fear like what am i doing am i wasting my time and oh my gosh i never saw it going in this direction and those kind of thoughts but both of you have really kept kept the faith uh kept hanging in there with it so and i think too with both of you too you had some times where there was even intensity seemingly between the two of you and then you you've had like a joining where you said let's really sit down and let's just join here because this is getting pretty intense or pretty wow so you know that's a beautiful thing too to kind of go toward each other when the friction was seem to be there when the conflict was there that's very encouraging i'm sure for everyone watching like really you can do that go toward someone instead of running as far away as you can that's that's quite amazing actually yeah i was so grateful to Amelia because i just felt like i was i didn't know i thought yeah i was denying a lot of my my attack thoughts and we have all of the expression sessions here and you know say your attack thoughts to release them and i kind of went through a whole period where i didn't even know that i wasn't doing that like i wasn't i was afraid to do that and then it all came to her head and then yeah i just exploded and had to say all of my attack thoughts to everyone and um and then Amelia just said and yeah she said we can join and we can say them together and yeah it was just like i was like wow like so grateful that someone was willing to kind of join with me to do that and however it looks or whatever you know however it feels it was just like yeah it just felt very very loving and like this this deep commitment to heaving through with each other and yeah maybe you can carry yeah it was really cool actually because it just it showed me like the ego has no power like i felt actually closer to Lucia after even hearing attack thoughts and everything that we want to kind of like no don't share keep it to yourself but but yeah i've been feeling a lot closer to her since we we're beginning to share and yeah it's and also what we discovered was when we were sharing that what the other person was sharing a lot of the thoughts were our own thoughts so it's not really personal it's not anybody's thoughts it's just the ego trying to make us believe that these horrible things are true and yeah i don't know it's just been very healing and very beautiful and yeah i don't know it's something i've always been very scared of i thought i would never be able to do something like that but yeah and last time we joined um i had an experience where i just saw her as like completely innocent like she almost turned into a child i saw her like as a child so i was just like oh my god you're so beautiful and innocent and it was like what she was sharing i couldn't even hear it i'm like you never did anything wrong you're innocent like i just i don't see it i don't hear it it's not there but then i saw that i i saw it in myself like but i i'm still like guilty and shameful but i you're not so i saw that but it was just beautiful for me to get to yeah like just see this transformation and just see yeah my brothers and sisters as innocent like that's the path and yeah i'm grateful we had the courage that day yeah it's it's neat because it's such a huge temptation like for me it's like taking it on you know is that you take the knife out of your brother and then you take it into yourself and i just kept doing that and then yeah it wasn't like releasing anything and and i still have big trouble in in releasing it and letting it go like i think yeah i think it's real and putting onto it and the more yeah say the more we join more we go towards each other the more yeah you can see the impersonal in the personal nature of the thoughts and yeah it felt really healing yeah that's beautiful though that you you hung in with that and and could feel the the blessing or the benefit of it sometimes it is hard to transfer it all the way around to yourself but you can feel like that's the movement that it's to free everyone including yourself and and then also with applying for the internship program so it's collaborative projects but also i think things can show up like i think lucy you were saying oh there's some opportunities to dance or to sing you were mentioning uh how has it been for you have you had anything kind of coming up through the collaborations that you really felt strongly drawn to or some some things recently where you felt oh i i'm going to give my self permission to express or extend in a little different way than i had before and and has it been freeing that way yeah i we did a singing session yesterday and um yeah it felt like it's all for me you can see that every time you do a session or you you know it's like it's all for me and i just expressed beforehand i was like i yeah i feel like i have so much fear of judgment of other people judging me you know it's just like yeah because of my career it's been a constant judgment all the time and being here has shown me that that is what i'm most fearful of really and so i just yeah i think i wanted to sing without that fear without that feeling of judgment and just to really not care about what it sounds like what anyone's thinking about preparing beforehand and and yeah and then also sang at the worship session one of the worship worship sessions and yeah i was like for the first time ever in my life i didn't have any of those attack thoughts towards myself and i didn't have the the thoughts around preparation either like i need to i need to do breath exercises or i need to prepare some whatever i used to prepare and just really sunk into Jesus and just felt so much power and i was like oh my gosh if only i'd known this back then that i could i could tap into this power it would have saved me a lot of um i don't know a lot of time so no that i wrote yeah i really didn't have to do anything other than enjoy what i was doing and tune into that and yeah yeah but i was also telling david the other day about how you just like i want two days off i want to spend two days with jesus and that really inspired me so i was like i should do that more that's great that's great to take it to really when it comes so on one hand it's it was for you to see a kind of letting go into the the singing with with just being fully in the moment being like done through with no sense of performer evaluation and then yeah for Amelia for you just just saying oh i need a couple days off i need to just have intimate prayer time uh with jesus that's the most important thing for me right now is to connect in that way and both in both cases it it does seem to take up a step of faith uh to do that and then you feel the the blessing that comes from that little leap of faith it's just beautiful yeah yeah we need to trust those prompts that we receive it's really important because it's yeah the ego can sneak in in so many ways like with the singing oh am i just doing it for attention and taking like two days off like oh you're just lazy and will the other hear judge you like it's it's that all the time like we need to really like tune in and ask why where's this prompt coming from like otherwise it's yeah it's too much yeah and then it really carries you because you really feel it when you when you hear the prompt and you follow it and you feel the lightness and the connection and the joy then that's very convincing like oh i i want to hear the prompts i want to follow the prompts because sometimes people will say to me oh i i don't i don't feel connected to spirit or i'm not capable of hearing and and i said well it's a it's a process of building trust building faith and and following the prompts when you do get a prompt and and then feeling the release the joy of following it it takes it away from us thinking we have to do something personally or we have to personally figure it out to oh there's there is one within me that's going before me that loves me that's you know showering me with blessings and opportunities and that's a big one that's a big one this inner inner listening is no small thing because for many people's religion and spirituality are just really repeating a lot of rituals are doing what they're told to do by external you know people and beliefs and externals and at some point you know i think when when there's obviously too much reliance on external people and authorities and symbols then there gets to be more of an emptiness like almost like going through the motions and of course i think a lot of religions you know there's a lot of fear under there so so it's almost like trying to get caught up in rituals and and caught up in repetitions to avoid looking at what is the fear underneath and this is more of just i guess real self honesty like when there's fear acknowledging it and saying interesting there's fear coming up there wow that's interesting and then giving yourself time to kind of pray with it and be with it a bit to say what is what is underneath this and i think that's why people just adhere to specific belief systems because there's a fray like oh my gosh if i take the lid off and start questioning my beliefs um where's it going to end is it going to end in chaos or or bliss for many people there's too much fear of going deeper so they you know cling to the the rituals or the platitudes you know those kind of things so it's beautiful you're both very courageous that way to to take such a close look i was just thinking maybe you could talk about the fear david the fear of because yeah yesterday i sat with it and i sat with the fear and it was like sitting with it but without kind of going into any stories and just really feeling the emotion in my body and it feels so deep like the fear feels so deep like there's something there that's just kind of unexplainable or something like and maybe you can talk on that yeah there's there's actually a section in the course of miracles and the title of this section is the fear to look within and i think what's underneath it is this sense of that you know different spiritual traditions and psychologists and psychiatrists will talk about the unconscious mind and with a sense of you don't know what you're going to get that's why it's unconscious it's out of mind it's pushed out of mind and there's this carl young called it the shadow and different people have different names for it but but i think that's the sense of of uncovering and being able to allow the darkness to come up and face some emotions that seem to be a bit destabilizing you know everybody wants stability but we don't really want a stability that's based on just a bunch of ego defense mechanisms so we're bouncing around from one defense mechanism to the next trying to hold the mask up when this journey seems to be about lowering the mask and letting our guard down and trusting and seemingly being a bit vulnerable in order to get in touch with what what it is we need to face and release so i think um you know there's one point in the course of miracles where jesus says you know you you you think you're afraid of the unknown but you're really afraid of the known because god is the known but to the ego god is the unknown you see so it's the big mystery who god you know just the word god brings up so many emotions that can be very intense but i started to just see for myself like well um it's kind of interesting that i would be afraid of something without fully knowing what that something is you know when people talk about afraid of god jesus is saying how curious that you haven't really gone deep enough or really examined if god is love why are you so afraid of god you know from jesus's perspective but i think it's it's a fear of loss of control a fear of loss of personal control you know those are the kind of things that we face when we're used to doing things kind of from an egoic defense mechanism to try to keep keep control you know like with many people and in their relationships and their careers there's this voice inside them it's like keep it together keep it together at all costs keep it together but we have to take a look at what is the it that we're that we're working so hard to keep together you know why are we trying to keep the mask together when the mask seems to be hiding something wonderful that's much deeper so you know it's kind of like the story of Humpty Dumpty you know who who is egg who has a big fall off the off the wall and then at the end all the king's horses all the king's men couldn't put Humpty back together again we're used to trying to keep that egg together we're used to trying to keep appearances together you know we put a lot of work and energy to keep it together and i've noticed over the years that when i go deeper with spirit that things start to disintegrate and fall apart and unwind and and i've learned to trust jesus where he's like good good good this is good you've been putting a lot of effort keeping it together now why don't you let it fall apart and and trust that i'm there for you and god's there for you and and you don't have to you know keep up the pressure of trying to measure up or trying to fulfill some kind of standard of belief or standard of society you know that you can actually be meek and gentle and loving and feel wonderful without holding on to the mask so that's kind of what i think the fear is it's just seems like the fear of the unknown but i think it's more the fear of the known fear of knowing that we really are yeah yeah i was thinking about community as well and how yeah it's like a symbol of god in a way because it's like i need to feel loved to let let stuff go so it's like yeah i need to feel like i can express around everyone and that it can crumble in front of people so that yeah i didn't know there's some sort of letting go in that and trusting and then in that i can trust not hiding from god anymore because i'm not hiding from my brothers community i mean i feel like hiding a lot so it's also the yeah gaining trust of everyone everyone around and knowing that i'm loved yeah yeah beautiful because i think it's a good training ground it's a good mind training ground but but the transfer of the training is so beautiful like you were saying when you were with andre okay what do i want in my heart i want a relationship i i like to act i love my family and and in all those cases you would want to to feel congruent you would want to feel harmonious you would want to be in a relationship where there is open communication and open sharing a deep connection and intimacy with the family you would want the same thing you would want it for yourself and for everyone else that they are free to express and and be open to communicate as part of the healing process and and even with acting you know of course when we see the all the great movies and the great actors and actresses throughout history because i have quite a few friends that are just they're just like movie buffs like me they we've seen so many movies uh and we're always giving each other tips like have you seen this one before did you see this one so there's a big kind of a community of of sharing but what we love about certain actresses and actors is the feeling that they're just so in tune in the moment that it's just it's just coming through them you don't even think of them as acting you know it's so uh authentic and believable and it's so uh expressive and showing it's the same way with an athlete or with uh with someone who's a musician or a singer you know when they're really in the zone or in that connection and flow there's such a connection that's just shared with everyone and i think that's what you're talking about when you feel i want a relationship i want to act and i i want to be able to sing and do the things that i love i want to be done through by the spirit in an individualized way it's not like a cookie cutter approach where everybody's got to do the same things or say the same things or say them the same way it's more just being really connected and authentic so that's what i see both of you doing i just think since the first time i interviewed each of you you know uh if we go back and look at those those interviews and then this one there's probably people will be like whoa what happened it's not that long of a span of time actually you know for for these uh kind of transformations to occur it's actually fairly brief wow it feels like years ago like that's how i feel like i'm not the same at all like my whole mind brain whatever everything is completely shifted and i was thinking like of course we feel fear because everything this the the way the mind works what we thought of the world everything is upside down now and i mean it's like taking a bad egg back and shaking it and like let's try something new and wow yeah you just you never know what's in your best interest you never know what is your path you don't know anything like it's it's amazing and it's not nothing is what it seems like like it's not and yeah i i feel like everything has changed for me my every like my values are completely different like yeah everything the goals the way i thought i should live my life the direction i was going i mean i thought i was toward the path of everything i ever wanted and yeah it's not it it's it's something that is not in this world it's something internal it's it's the connection to spirit and yeah yes it's completely crazy to think back that's why it's so scary because it's so fast go from one thing people know you as this person and now i'm different it's like it's a bit yeah it's scary but it's like you cannot not do it like if you feel it so strongly how can you not you just have to and trust that i'm going to be fine on the other side and the fear and the judgments whatever i will face it's not true it's not real you just need to keep like shining the light and be the love you have to yeah but yeah oh my goodness yeah i do remember i would i remember on some of my trips i would have so many miracles and i would go through so many seeming shifts inner shifts and changes that even on the way back from like a five and a half or six week trip i would think okay i'm going back to my seeming hometown and wow this is going to be interesting this is really going to be interesting to see how it unfolds because i'm just going to show up and be myself as it's as i feel it and and show up and but also it was good because i i really sensed like i wasn't in charge of it um i wasn't they didn't have any kind of outcomes in mind i wasn't trying to convince somebody or change somebody's mind or persuade somebody to be a certain way i was just showing up and enjoying the joy and the lightness of of the experience so i guess demilia you you do have a a trip that's coming up on over the horizon is back to to denmark so that that right there is interesting but probably no more interesting than you with your beauty i saw your beautiful facebook post and and i thought wow there it is that there was so many uh wonderful reactions uh uh comments that came when you really just uh kind of said here i am on facebook and you know in that sense you really did it you've already done it that's true jan i really saw that that's like by me going through that fear and being like this is who i am i'm inspiring other people to do the same because i people reached out out to me and was like wow they're so inspiring i just want to let you know you're so inspiring even though they are not like spiritual or anything but they were just like wow that's so brave and yeah it's not i mean we just have to go through it and then we will be fine we just keep walking that's good well for all of our people that are tuning in live you know just there's another quotable quote you just have to go through it and we will be fine very matter of fact well this is great i'm so grateful that you both took the time to to come on again and just be so authentic and transparent and you know i think that a lot of people do still have a little curiosity about about what it's like to to be in in like a spiritual community i mean because when we just look at at what we seem to know from the past whether it's been maybe we didn't have a lot of experience with spiritual community or maybe we saw some movies of like st francis or mother teresa or something and formed some ideas and opinions based on well that's oh that looks like that's what it's all about and then had a reaction either wow i like that i'm going to go toward that or i'm never for me i am not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole i know andy andy page you know when he first i was even contemplating i think he was taking one of the online courses the doorway a little taster and going through it and talking to his his friend nicholas saying well yeah this is these are some good ideas and i'm enjoying going through this taster and really enjoying it i don't i don't plan to live in community but but this is what i feel is resonating for me and then now he's he's been in community for for some years since his early 20s and i think he picked up the course when he was 18 and and jumped into community when he was in his early 20s and and now it's actually like a there's like a rhythm with it like a gratitude like oh i'm i'm so grateful but but i think for a lot of people that are tuning in too just just hearing what you are sharing is is helpful too because they do have their curiosities like what's what's it like with no private thoughts and no people pleasing what what are the communications like what are the expression sessions like are there lots of expression sessions or or few uh and you've even shared lucia that sometimes even with expression sessions you you weren't even aware that you were hiding and protecting things so it's like an ongoing discovery yeah yeah i didn't even know yeah we have expression sessions in the morning and then we have one at lunchtime and yeah i think for a while i thought well i kind of see now that it's a that it is it's just like peeling the onion if that's kind of what it feels to me at the beginning it was i had so much deep deep sadness i was just crying and crying and crying it felt like existential crying just like like what is going on like and then it kind of softened over time and and then i started expressing kind of fluffy stuff that's kind of how it felt like fluffy you know like oh i'm fearful and then and then slowly it's getting more and more specific and i was kind of having a girl myself for not expressing that way before but i feel like it's all a progression and it all was perfect really because it's just the fear leaving and i can express my attack thoughts specific attack thoughts without feeling like i'm bad or that i'm going to be attacked back or you know just to really to really yeah i've got a huge prayer to release the idea that we can hurt each other hmm that is such a big prayer of mine like we can we that we can't hurt each other amen amen that's a big one yeah yeah yeah i just also want to share that yeah for me i was just like i've always been such a people pleaser and being like shy and i mean in the beginning i felt like this is torture this is just horrible to sit here and like the fear it was so intense but yeah it gets better and we are all here to heal and to love each other and like that should not hold anybody back if if that's really a calling for someone like yeah like it's all gonna be fine and i mean i can say i'm still live i'm still breathing i'm happy it's gonna be fine it's just yeah and it's beautiful because you really get i think you touched on it a little bit like yeah we want deep down to know that i am i am lovable even though sometimes there are attack thoughts or whatever and we we have to keep going towards each other so we really get to have the experience of being truly loved like we have never experienced before because we're really trying to take off the mask and not be perfect and be real and share and yeah it's really yeah it's really beautiful to get to experience that like wow we can experience real love like like that's not hiding or we we're not perfect like we're not trying to be anything we're trying to take off the mask little by little every day and and yeah yeah i should not hold anybody back for sure like yeah that's beautiful experience the real love that's not the the performance you know it's like uh when uh i think one time when i went to the dictionary i i looked up the word act and it said to impersonate was one of the synonyms and and it's really kind of an amazing thing when you start to really get in touch with with the the healing that's occurring and the willingness to just let the thoughts come let the emotions come and not try to hide and protect them all the time take so much energy to hide and protect to like hold the mask up and now when we're letting the mask down it's it's like we're giving ourselves permission to say i don't i don't have to act and i don't have to impersonate anymore i can just be the real me i can just be as i am and it seems to be that's where there's there's more energy there's more vitality there's there's more passion when we're not trying to uphold something and keep something together in form so i think you both are good examples of of that just keeping the trust and faith and staying with it to the point because it does take trust to kind of move let things move through and then start to feel the release like lucia was saying like even the release of this deep seated belief in sacrifice like which is where there's a lot of tears you know like when you were crying there you were kind of crying for the whole human race it sometimes did like that you know like wait a minute these are not just tears these are deep sobs i i i feel like i'm i'm lamenting something and grieving something for the whole human race and i've had i went through many years of that too i thought i was tempted to think there's something really wrong but somehow it felt like it was helpful in some way or i needed to go through it and i felt sometimes i would say oh my tears came for so many years it was like i became the Niagara Falls and uh i wasn't at that time so interested in being around people but i had a dog chipper who actually appreciated my Niagara Falls and would would lick my cheek and almost like keep going uh and i thought this is great this is better than i couldn't afford a therapist this good he's such unconditional love and a little pink time treatment lick my tears i said this is this is really allowing me to let them continue i didn't even know why it just felt like oh my gosh i don't know what what's happening here but i think you know you both have they've got a bit of a taste of it um and and yeah beautiful that you you had the faith to hang in there when things seem to be going that way with all those intense emotions that's incredible forever you can do this you can do this as you said uh Amelia i think we'll be fine we'll make it through yeah well thank you so much for taking time i'm sure everybody uh appreciated it too and um if anyone's watching and you want to go back and check some of the uh videos on on my youtube channel you can you can hear more at the beginning and now you're seeing the before and the after and as uh both of you have been saying it's been a lot uh it's like a big transformation it's like a total flip and uh that's not too common in the world the world's you know used to slow incremental shifts and i think both of you have had some pretty huge shifts actually and and you live to tell about it okay well thank you everyone for joining in and we love you and we're glad that you tuned in and i hope this was healing and helpful for you thank you thank you god bless