J-O-N it's about that time man that you play me some real Pimpin man That's what you got from today Let me see. Let me see where you at man And we got rolling here. That's that's aggressive very aggressive man.  You never know. Oh That's the one I Put zero on that What you think Jack that's super cold right there. Can you see it being a hit? I can see it I can see it He's a serious it's on she said the blue two connected my name That's real player attention.     So you know what? I picked up the phone.    We're about to know that JZ Bumby Pimp C Each town legend man all the way up in the trap fucking was My first question I got to ask this cuz if Chico was here He would definitely ask this now Pimp C held you in a very high regard to the point Where he just pretty much separated you from all the other rappers and say a mouth see none of these niggas outside But see bro Like man, please give us a Pimp C store just off the top just to pay Homies to a real another ghetto legend sweet Jane Jones sweet Jane Jones man first of all, man RIP to the pimp. Yeah, you know I'm saying but You know when you put money on the nigga books like you got to put it on his books Like these people came and come got me up out myself.  This nigga gives me five hundred dollars.  You know, I'm saying like do with it.  Yeah Now that's hard the niggas not he didn't send no money through somebody on green dot Then they can actually step foot in the prison. Yeah, not like in visitation.  So how did you transfer the money to your book?  I think it was 2006 at the time 2007. I mean I came home with five hundred dollars I got came home with five hundred like and then you know It's the old frankings like the the little bitty weak ones.  Yeah, when you went in And it was big faces when you got out. No, it was still a little faces.    Yeah Yeah, I decided to do it, you know, I thought I was gonna play ball You know, it's a lot of people thought they was gonna play ball. Yeah, I thought I was gonna play we need to what ball What you play football basketball?  What much? Why would have been done right now? Because that was you talking about 94.     It was pandemonium.  Yeah, you have to do better They got them jump shot after a while.   Mm-hmm. I'm saying I'm still I'm still doing what I'm doing, but it definitely would have been basketball, but I got I Got I'm gonna say it's some hate.  Yeah So I started hanging out with that nigga over there. You know, I'm saying oh, y'all go back So I'm gonna just say appreciate my new channel for ruining my child It was a good room though, man like Yeah, man, he like him and my other partner was my only support system.  Yeah So yeah, I'm glad I ain't play ball. He was with you when you first hit the studio man.   I'm gonna ask you a man. You heard him rap first man What what made you say okay my partner cold for real? Nigga musically inclined Yeah What would you say was your first look taste of success when you was like, okay? I got my foot in the dough now man It had to be because I did shit a whole lot of years for for nothing, you know I'm saying it was professionally first in 98 the first record But I ain't really make no money until I came home from jail the second time and It was a it was hip-hop for HIV. There was a name of the show It was it was a 97 9 sponsored event. I don't want to say it was that uh the NRG Stadium And I had to say it was about maybe maybe 30 34 35,000 people You know, I'm used to I was used to doing wrongs or like maybe you know 3400 and I came out on the stage It fucked me up cuz plies was up there.  I'm like, I'm not well.   Yeah And man, they had the whole crowd. I was for this video.    Yeah, so I mean like I mean this round.   Yeah, man, what that is?  Yeah I mean, that's it. I mean, that's why You have a lot to keep on.      Look, I don't want this to be weird or nothing But what you doing February the 17th? It's like three days at the bell Because I'm gonna be in North Charleston, South Carolina at the North Charleston Performing Arts Center, baby. That's at eight o'clock PM.  I mean even Back when this nigga gangsta nip was you know gangsta nip.   Yeah, you catch the groove. No, I'm gonna rap like that, too Yeah, that's a it's a small group like a rapper.  Yeah, I say buster. Hell. Yeah I mean, you know, no disrespect to twister with buster though and then then didn't twister, you know, I'm saying twister might have been Maybe a smidgen faster, but I mean buster in that energy like that.   He still got some raps that I'm working on.  Yeah, like that nigga going off So it's like but that's what that's it's so melodic.    I don't really know too much about it.  You hear him in there in this regular voice Freestyle for the screw tape You know it's no pins allowed like this is really awesome.  He don't like real freestyle.   They're doing the he's singing.   What are some of your favorite songs by other artists?   I drink me.  Yeah, but you probably go But I'm pulling it up a little different I don't really want to go in there and sound like I'm giving a how-to God to go to prison I was just yeah, yeah, see that's what I mean, you know keep it music just all it's just keep it music It's just Yeah, but uh, I gotta say big mo because I mean to be honest Purple stuff and uh and and bar y'all you know, uh Pull it up a song that I'm on. You know, I'm saying me big mo big out. Yeah But it's not really too many of them because to be honest with you man, like I only listen to me Mm-hmm, and I've only been listening to me for a long time I know that you let me hear some shit that I ain't never heard twice This ain't got music man.  Yeah.  It sound like I'm lying One thing about the Houston artist period that they got a lot of projects from mixtapes to Albums and whatnot and you know, that's the whole thing behind getting a to getting their music out They can go platinum just in Texas. Yeah, and they so supportive out there And like you said, it's a way it's a whole world within itself When it comes to that music, how many mixtapes you got versus albums? I mean, I definitely got more albums but uh it's really hard to to separate them because A lot of people been calling the album mixtapes.    It's so deep in the archive Yeah, and it ain't nobody it ain't nobody pushing that motherfucker.    All right Pay for this pay for this. All right This what you left with, you know, this This midget right is what you left with. I got this lump sum. No, so I want that lump sum So, I mean watching how Business is done.   That is just I don't be having the need to Yeah, yeah How did you how would you define your version of success? So it's like if you were explaining to an up-and-coming artist What would you just what would you describe success to them as well? I know probably from your experience from my experience.  I had to say about since 1996 I ain't had to get up and go do a motherfucking thing if I didn't want to Exalute that's what we strive for man.    It ain't it. You can be the 10,000 square foot joiner We're gonna do thousand square. Exactly. It's yours.   You're successful.   We in here with zero the crooked the most city done We were talking about the most city done freestyle though Now that one's gonna live forever.   How'd that come about?  They look nigga.  I thought it was that yeah But as I listened to it, I was like no, it's a remake But february 19th, I will be in columbus georgia at the bill heard That's right. Ladies and gentlemen. It's going down at the bill heard in columbus georgia february 19th, that's 2023 brother make sure you get those tickets and make sure you come to the show I'm coming for the bill They do got a version of it on there. Yeah.    Yeah. Yeah, that should just sound like him and me. I don't know if she's saying him and me I don't even know what that's a word, but she man. It sound good though. She hit Yeah, sometimes the best not to know. No, it's best not to know I just wrapped on them or Went off for damn them five minutes Yeah, I just went off.  I mean, I did a whole motherfucking I did a whole freestyle album no cop gangster fire. Yeah, I was just standing there by the beat.   I mean Jack is the beast. Yeah, I was jack for beast and uh That was just the one off of them.   Okay, I gotta do this one though because you know, you got an infamous moniker Rota Van Drops.     I'm playing that on the way home I can relate to that. You gotta know what you're playing the part of. Okay. Yeah, because it's not a it's not a It's not a happy song. I believe it. Yeah, but I mean the title got me interested.   It was like Bar Kelly was on the Yeah Pretty brown round pretty brown round. That's another one Man all the way back to your 2000 I guess less chill. There you go. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's it's quite a couple. It's quite it's quite a couple man.  It's a great. It's a great uh change of pace though. Yeah You never know what you're gonna get.  I couldn't afford to pay nobody else. They really could see Simple as that. I had to try to learn how to do that.   Right.   I need to hear five hundred dollars And at the time she didn't have no five hundred dollars.   Man, you should be a lot of people on my list, man But I'm kind of I'm just kind of content with doing my own thing right now I mean like who wouldn't want no song with snoop You know what I'm saying? Because I mean I hope I had to I have to give I have to give like four or five years to my Post team up bringing the snoop, you know what I'm saying that whole and we just had snoop We just had snoop come through her.   Yeah, man, like All these different screw like we rapping on a lot of these motherfuckers on the crumbs to bricks and You know blue tune like we rapping on this. Yeah So This man is kind of like responsible for one of my mind sets. Yeah, I don't know which one of these but I know he's responsible for one of them One of the motherfuckers like so we would definitely be a nigga like snoop But then on the other side of the game like I do a lot of shit that ain't right.      He underrated as an actor too People be like man, that nigga can't act.  That's why it worked for me Like because I know he's a polished actor Yeah But he's like he's giving y'all the best version of an actor nigga Super big super believable. Exactly the first movie ever did baby boy was super believable. It wasn't no flower in that Oh zero. I gotta ask you this you from houston, right?    Yeah, and I'd be like it's just a little Appreciate and being appreciated type of feeling that you get From a person you know on the on the platform like that.  Yeah or last week like that. She is like it's big for me Because I mean I don't walk around like Hey, how you doing?  I probably I got a page.    I didn't know they ain't on no other sites They gotta be government agents Thank you.     I'll be like lord have mercy On tiktok and you know what every time she posts it don't never look cold where she is It'd be beautiful.        Shouldn't ask me. I feel passionate about it So how did you get the name zero? He chose it because he don't like nobody That too. That's zero. That's before one.   So I'm one deep One deep entertainment He the CEO the talent I ain't gonna lie that she That she really come from Not having a shit that zero was like a life I started from, you know, everybody start from that, but I mean that's for personally for me Like yeah, man, it's a reminder of where I'm not trying to return back to that and so Just zero now the zeroes go behind the ones.  Oh man. Well, we dying to know.    Your name ain't joey. Is it man? Yeah, it is. Okay, like Most of the time, you know what I'm saying?   Uh hotel california.  Yeah Yeah hotel.    It just it's just easy to listen to Jaded aerosmith Well, I gotta go back to uh Cilo and Oz Barkley with the crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, funk sway is my favorite song off that Yeah, it's just some mind and smile That's all Shit other than that. I'm listening to me So mine don't get too extensive Yo, yo, yo, what's going on? It's your boy DC on fly in case you haven't heard we at the 85 south show have launched our own independent streaming service called Channel 85 and for our loyal supporters We are currently offering 20 off for six months. Just use code 85 per center, right? Spread it out code 85 per c-e-n-t-e-r Once you sign up you'll get access to the podcast a whole day earlier than everyone else on youtube All of our new live shows independent specials new shows like five on the 85 and even get your special offers and discounts for 85 south merchandise And the shows it's only eight dollars 50 cent a month for 85 dollars for the whole year And you can find us online at china 85.com or on your iphone apple tv amazon Five stick row cool and even on android and remember use code 85 per center for 20 percent All for a whole six months.      That's it. That's your heart, man Oh, you know, I got it.   Big up in here his grandson hit me say he's gonna send me the Agent number or whatever, but yeah, yeah, bro Yeah, that'd be all I should I will set it off big for mr.  That's a classic motherfucker right there, man But that's what I was just about to ask you 25 years in the game, man Gotta ask what would you tell this the next generation coming up behind zero?  Yeah, like a lot of people look at this like I'm broke.   Yeah Yeah, you can go feed downtown on two streets for a day and then you're done So Yeah, you got a if you can man create your own movement Stay independent as long as you can Let me ask you this do you feel like Up in economy artists do how important is is it to have your own studio setup?   You stole to Yeah, 25 years later How often do you record? Not as often as I used to right now uh Because I like I don't know. I didn't adjust in my time to do other things now. You a day or night recorder Really, I would prefer to do it in the morning I'd be but you know, we be getting them going to the gym in the morning.  So nighttime really from some In the world from midnight to about six seven in the morning type of vibe. That's the That's the best time for me. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. Yeah, that's the best time. Oh, no, I'm fine. Thank you so much For lighting No, nigga, I don't know. Got damn water folks. There you go.   Like I rather I'd rather be in there by myself Like I want to engineer my own session I want to hit my own buttons. Like are you engineer too? Yeah What you picked that up at She watching Mike Dean Watching Mike Dean when he was mixing Get thrown and you know songs like that. Like I I watch this nigga mix pimpsie album from jail. I mean, I watched the mix like But you know when you engineer, that's a different ear. What you look for what you listen for when you engineer Well to be honest, I'm just recording myself Yeah, and I'm putting myself as close to what I wanted to sound like Before I actually handed over to a professional to to mimic that and I guess You know put the season on what I did, you know what I'm saying with When I'm listening to the finished project, I just want to make sure that my voice is the most important instrument I want to make sure that I'm not muffled. I want to make sure that I'm heard I want to make sure I ain't breathing too hard.          Yeah.   Yeah. Apollosis. Shout out to Apollosis.   They can be ready to fight man.    Right. Right. I used to I used to rap that I'm a soldier fight You know Don't want to hurt nobody. It always ended up with somebody getting hurt.  Yeah, but it ain't me. Like it's them. Mm-hmm crowd. Yeah Another level there.  Yeah, I love those songs But yeah, when they start doing that type of shit, I always have to step off the dance floor Back in the day you be out there dancing. Yeah, man.   You still do it Man, I ain't man. I'm 40 now.   You got my song, you know, if he got my song, you know what you got the angel No No, he ain't got that jack. I can't get that. Okay.  No, he definitely ain't got nothing. I'm jack.    I think it's on bled You said Pmc made everybody go to bed. Yeah, he did. What?   Y'all did it.  We was at this nigga house Oh, man Like we're supposed to record But you know core core mo brother mic mo Shout out to core mo man. Shout out to core mo man country rap tunes up This nigga left the hard drive So we really at Pmc house for I'm gonna roll the portal to the record And when we get that we ain't got the hard drive with the shit on it that we were supposed to record on So now we just down So I'm thinking in my head like we you know, this ain't too far from houston We can just go and go back to the highs and You know come back another day and it was like No, we can't leave.  So now I can't go nowhere and then like We was in the mansion.  I know it wasn't burglar bars, but it was some type of barrage Well, you had a club on the door. Yeah, I I couldn't go nowhere So but we in the studio and like it was made up.  It was it definitely wasn't woke clothes And he said he said yeah, man, y'all boys need a cover and I was like I like yeah, boy is gonna need separate covers in here like we need I'm gonna need a cover and then first of all what I need a cover for And before I knew it like it was the next day and I mean It was just dark like he like, all right, I'm how the child tomorrow.  We really just got put to bed Did he come down?  So I'm I'm like nigga, I'm I got to be I'm close to like I'm close to 30 nigga. I'm 30 something probably I'm like And nigga just made me retire for the night Man, I gotta give I gotta get famous enough to do that Just he made all my company go to bed. He didn't even laugh either. He was just like I'm a hollywood boys in the morning.  I'm like Man, I really got here. How's this? On some like now, nigga, this really uncle Chad Really uncle Chad like yeah, man, y'all ain't got the hard drive like now we left it All right, we're cool. She was boy, you know, we just go get some rest then, you know I'm saying like y'all good night.   I don't know, but I'd be there March 4th variety playhouse in Atlanta, george.  I got some Atlanta shows We had a squad coming out for that one two shows at the variety playhouse.  I'ma do it. All right. There we go All right last April 8th 2023 I will be at the mirage in lost Vegas.    Get back in the couch nigga. Yeah, like if I haven't got already like like lights out in the penitentiary like it's time to Y'all rack up You feel me like I'm not finna get up until I just always movement in the highs. Gotcha. Oh, he moved. Yeah That's that's one of the ones that'll make you say I ain't never ran with nobody ever again That's the one that say you mean there was been no, you know going nobody highs What time are you usually locked the doors at night?  I can't wait to give me a mansion and make my fuckers go to bed Y'all laughing. I'm damn sure if I'm gonna do that. Hopefully around Thanksgiving just have about 50 guests though. All right What did you feel like the penalty was if you didn't feel like going to bed though? I don't really think it was a penalty But I mean, I think the penalty was just being up by yourself Everybody else sleep, you know, Mike mowin sleep like he just on another couch Like the night was basically like this here So she what you gonna have going on tomorrow? And I'm just like We'll see you gotta take me back to my car first because Ray, what's up with that boom boom room? Tell me about that boom boom room All the boom boom room.  They'll like home That was uh, if your life was a movie, what would it be called?  That'd be the name of who would you get to play you?  Uh, yeah, that's good on that part I will get Chris Brown to play me.     I don't know who told on me But you know hawk had this real country type of draw when he talked and I seen the nigga calling my phone. So I seen this number And I didn't answer the phone then my text went out And I read it in his voice and he was like Bitch, I know you see me calling you And I read it just like that. I like damn So didn't run again. I hello I say how good of you say Nigga you on the north. I like him on the north.  So I can talk to him You know what I'm saying?     I just filled every question on my sat.  So I mean she Whole lot of culture coming up out of there, too Would you say jet? I want to know how you how do you feel about the music singing in houston right now? And whatnot.  Man, she's different right now. That's different. Yes, it is different. Um Proud father jet a lot of you say you're four father, wouldn't you say? Of course a lot of that I think it's a lot of bullshit in every city.  Yes pocket for everything.   I don't hear too much boot.    Yeah.  Carlos, you got some swingers on something I mean, that's not that's not my lane I'm from Mississippi now.          I couldn't just I'm not riding in a car like that I ain't for the gram much. Especially at no age like this.     March 31st through April 2nd.      Oh a lot of it. It just depends on What scene you got?   No, I just got out.  Yeah, you've been going that long. You've been out the loop jack. Damn What about the station or the office? I've been gone. Okay. Don't worry about it. Yeah Yeah, you've been going like if it's an office building. I mean, I do you think But uh, I got to get me a house out in houston.  Yeah, I had a couple of them by now. No, it's cool. It's cool. I just you know But I don't got any old school left. I mean just that uh, just that berets I just got I just got wanted everything. Yeah college today.  I know you put it out. You put them up for God, though Periodically. Yeah, you know, I'm focused on cars. I know you I know you do.   Yeah Go over there trip. Don't go over there tripping cat. Don't go over there trip Yeah, man, can't be loving to hit the spots everywhere we go. Yeah pop of those You know, you got to hit pop of those.  Yeah Alligator bites boy.  In that gumbo that jumbo gumbo nigga. Here you go God, I know what you're doing.   Yeah, we tried to show love to the small town, bro I'm from the small town So I'm gonna make sure a small town get a shot out of there. So it's some beautiful women out of texas, man Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah Stop jack. You say you was getting your life together. Now you backsliding right in front of them Stay strong, man. I'm trying to bro. Just keep calling me Calling me. Hey, just just the wildest nigga. I know man. I'm kind of I'm kind of seeing that though And they got another level with it, bro. He really a superstar man, but he don't believe in itself enough You don't think and man, it's got to click my ears, man That's why I stay on him, bro I'll be trying to make sure he knows how great he is, bro He always want to talk about the dunks and I'll be telling them focus on the dudes, man Yeah Yeah, we me and me and zero was talking about humility before you got here And uh, what about it jack? You know, it's just about, you know, just like, um, we stopped to smell the roses and stuff But at the same time don't believe the height to keep it going in there.   No, it ain't.            Yes, it is.  Hey, man. Don't you disrespect my nigga, bro? He know what zero means. Oh I'm one deep when I get home.  They don't do it.    It seemed like it doesn't seem like no, that's my dog, bro. I know He look out every chance he get That's what's up. We used to just drive out of town.  I let this nigga drag But he made sure he couldn't drive me. It was chasing us up If that nigga drove me to a show and drunk 240s while i'm performing.     I ain't that crazy He don't remember nigga. He don't want to remember That's what psychological trauma I actually have no comment.  He know I told him earlier You drove up it up. Oh, no, no, I got dropped off. Yeah, see Dan took the nigga license bruh.   I got dropped off. I always get dropped off.  Yeah, we're gonna have to ask somebody else to do it We'll get you a Uber. Don't you get a discount?  What's coming up next man? Hey, you get this merch. Is this merch for sale? I mean, you know, not not this one per se. Oh, man. Not this one per sale I do got merch for sale Where is it available? It's it's it's available right here in little lamb, georgia. Whatever you at with it Yeah, I mean, I mean the clothes I made here. Oh word. Yeah, they made here the z. There's row merch.com Send us some over man. I got you.  And it's uh on that one.   I got uh, you know Shout out to my astros.  Whatever.  Just do it again. That's what I told the picture And we do got jerseys online looking like strolls, but it's just mag bay 19.   Yeah, it's pretty cool.  Jack, what else you got? Oh man, um, you know, it's new jack thriller city Channel 85. How's it going? It's going to magazine, bro. Give me the update man. Catch me up It's going it's going amazing man.  It worked the word.    You keep sweating 100 Yeah, man. So yeah, new jack thriller city is going down channel 85 man. Make sure y'all tune into that ASAP channel 85 go hard, bro That's how I have bro.  Yeah We got to we got to link up and get a project in there.  Yeah, man. Y'all correct We go hard in the motherfucking trap, bro.   Man, I want to tell y'all man. First of all, I thank y'all for having me. Oh proud. You know what I'm saying? Because Super let it say I want to tell everybody to be on the lookout because I got an artist on my label About a name by the name of low leader Monroe. Shout out to low leader Monroe low She heard and we know I'm saying shout out to big j2, you know, I'm saying, uh Man, just keep keep rocking with us, man. Uh, we appreciate it. We appreciate being here and uh Hopefully we'll still be here to Get the motherfucking chicks 85 sound show Zero one deep Me out of here Let's get that please man Say get in here man for the pig man. Yeah. Yeah


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Hello and a virtual welcome to SOAS. My name is John Hitchman and I'm the Student Advice Service Manager. The Student Advice Service provides advice of all the non-academic issues you might need help with before you come to SOAS, including immigration, accommodation and finance. So today we're talking all about student finance and the funding you might be able to get for your SOAS program, undergrad program starting in September 2022. So first of all we're going to have start with a bit of a quiz, a bit of a rhetorical one because it's just me here recording this so I'll give you the answers but the idea here is really to get you thinking about how much things cost, a little bit of budgeting and financial preparation before you come to university. So firstly there's a textbook, how much does that cost? Well if you buy a new, it's going to cost you £42. If you buy it at second hand on eBay it's going to cost £8.99. So kind of obvious but worth thinking about, you don't have to buy your books new, students have often used these books in the past and you can get them much cheaper online. So a packet of instant noodles, hopefully you don't have to eat these all the time but occasionally this is the kind of thing students may eat and again there's always going to be a variation in price. So if you go for the Ask the Smart price noodle that's going to cost you 14p but the more heavily branded super noodle is going to cost you 59p. So onto some more student related costs or student specific costs at SOAS. So how much do you think a zone one and two travel card would cost though? That would be something a lot of our students would use to get into university. So it's £37 for a week or £142.10 for a month but that's the standard adult rate. So actually as a student at SOAS you can get this travel for £25.80 per week or £99.10 per month and that's because you can apply for a 30% off 18 plus oyster card from Transport for London once you're enrolled and registered as a student at SOAS. So how about a pair of vans, whoops pressed the button too quickly for that. If you buy these in John Lewis they're going to cost you £50 and interestingly if you buy them from the Vans website they're actually going to be cheaper. So again we're always looking to shop around, get you the cheapest prices and really save money on the things that you can save money on. Some of your costs are fixed and one of the fixed costs is rent. So how much do you think halls will cost? So that's a picture of some halls that are very very close to SOAS maybe a five minute walk away but we have halls available all over London and we know we've done the commuting distance of SOAS. So there's a huge range there and it really depends how close you want to live to the campus but also of course all your budget is and the level of luxury that you want. You know if you want something if you have to live in amongst other students and that might be quite a nice experience then you can start off with one of our cheaper halls for £150 a week. So what sort of financial help can you get while you're studying at SOAS as an undergrad? So that's what we're going to be talking about the kind of bulk of this talk. So we're going to go into detail about the tuition fee loan and then support that you could get to help you with your living costs and additional types of support you may qualify for as a student perhaps other students with disabilities or student to parents who have other extra needs there's other support student finance can offer and then I'm going to tell you a little bit about the application process how and when to apply a little bit about the repayment of student loans and also some other tips at the end. So the tuition fee loan to give news about studying in higher education in the UK if you qualify is that you don't need to find the money for your fees up front you can take out a loan from student finance in England and that loan for your fees tuition fee loan that doesn't depend on your household income. So the fees for 22, 2023 are going to be 9,250 and you can apply for a loan to cover that full cost and you can apply for a loan for each year of your program and you should qualify for that each year. There are very very specific reasons why you might not and we'll cover those later but for most people if you've never been to university before you can qualify for a tuition fee loan for each year of your program at service and then you only pay back that tuition fee loan or any other loans that you take once you've graduated and once you start earning a certain amount of money as well which we'll cover in detail later on. Okay so click on to that slide. So living cost support so the maintenance loan for the academic year 2022, 23 and now some of this is based on household income so a proportion of this is how it is based on parental income so if you're under 25 your household income is the income of your parents and the maximum loan you can get based on their income is up to £12,667 per academic year and that's available to you if you live away from home. Okay now if you're maybe living in London and able to stay and carry on living with your parents which is in a lot of ways a great thing because you can save a lot of money that way then the amount of loan that you get is is unsurprisingly a little bit less so £8,171. Now proportional some of that amount some of both of those amounts is based on household income so if your parents income is a little higher you may get slightly less than those figures and then there's additional support as well on top of the maintenance loan for these other living cost supports so we have so as bursaries which is a standard thing we've been offering at service for some time so for 2022 2023 we have the bursary which is aimed at students from lower income households so the service bursary will provide £1,500 for each year of study unless you're going on a year abroad language year abroad but every other year of study is covered and that will be based on you receiving the maximum amount of that maintenance loan so that means you have a household income of £25,000 or less if you have a look at our web page there you can find out a little bit more about the bursary but to qualify for that when you start for your program you have to make sure that you've completed your means test and applied for student finance and it's all been agreed but we'll talk about that a little bit later on and then if you find out you've accessed all the funding that you're entitled to you've got your your maintenance loan and maybe a bursary if you qualify for one but you're still struggling a bit or you've budgeted for the year and you're finding that you're having problems then we have some hardship funds that are administered by my team and these are the ones that are probably most relevant the access to learning fund and a fund called the additional study support fund and these are both aimed to help students just as a bit of a safety net really if you have any financial issues while you're studying it's quite straightforward to apply for these it's a very simple online form that you complete and provide some supporting documents but hopefully you won't need to do that if you get all the funding in a title too and then there's additional support as I mentioned briefly for students with a disability there's something called disabled students allowance and we just we love acronyms at university so we refer to it as DSA and DSA is a grant to help you meet the extra costs that you may have as a disabled students so they just make studying make it that you can study on a more equal basis with with other students and anything you receive from DSA doesn't have to be repaid and the amount you get isn't based on household income it's really based specifically on the amount of extra support you will need in place and DSA can be used for a number of different things so specialist equipment that you might need like computer software perhaps to help you or even one-to-one support like studying skills tutoring or perhaps mentoring or maybe you have mobility issues and you need some help with travel costs and DSA can cover that sort of thing as well and then even things like photocopying and printing if you need those and they're related to your disability or specific learning difference DSA can help you with that so the SSA disability team will be able to provide you with more support about about DSA and you can find their details through our website now perhaps you're a European student coming to study at SSA so you'll be aware that as the UK's left the European Union the rules are a little bit more complicated but I'm going to run through them briefly here so if you're a European student and you have a status under the EU settlement scheme then you can qualify for support from student finance so to meet the requirements there it's fairly fairly complex but essentially you have settled status okay if you have settled status and that's been granted before you start programmed and the key date for all of these qualifying factors with higher education is the 1st of September of the year that you start so you're starting in September 2022 obviously from the 1st of September you have settled status and you're ordinarily resident in England so you live here and you've been here for the three years prior to the 1st of September and then if during that period you were here only for educational purposes if prior to that you had three years residence or prior to that you were resident in Gibraltar the EEA or Switzerland then you will qualify for tuition free loan and a maintenance loan okay so as I said in the recording you can you can read this back and just check the requirements there but essentially if you have settled status and you meet those requirements you can get the tuition free loan and the maintenance loan in a similar way to a UK national student now if you have pre-settled status under the EU settlement scheme the requirements are are similar so you're an E-National on the 1st of September 2022 you have pre-settled status by that date and you've been ordinarily resident in the UK EEA Switzerland or Gibraltar for the three year period leading up to the 1st of September 2022 and that residence was not wholly or mainly for the purpose of education and if that's the case then you should qualify for a tuition free loan okay so again please please pause the slide and reread that there's quite a lot of information there and then finally if you have pre-settled status under the EU settlement scheme and and you're an EU or Swiss national with pre-settled status and you qualify for the tuition free loan as in the previous slide and you're ordinarily resident in England on the 1st of September 2022 then you might also qualify for a maintenance loan if you are or you're the relevant family member of a worker in the UK so if it's based on your work you'll need to show student finance that evidence that you are employed and your worker status will allow you to get a maintenance loan as well as the tuition fee loan likewise if it's a family member you need to provide evidence to your family member is employed that could be things like p60s pay slips etc okay so moving on as I said at the start there's generally everybody's going to qualify for student finance but the only thing that might cause an issue is if you have studied higher education in the past so if you've already got higher education qualification that might be a problem or even if you've got previous years studying things like a BA, a BSC, perhaps an FDA foundation degree or an HND but there's things that aren't going to affect your entitlement which you may have studied so your A levels or foundation diploma or an access to HE diploma, GMVQs, ABC diplomas any of those kind of further education qualifications are fine but it's just degree level, previous degree level qualifications may impact your entitlement to funding but there may actually be ways that you could get applied for funding even if you do have some previous study as well so you could definitely look into that and and I'll give you details for you can contact us for advice if you need advice about that after this presentation so applying for student finance is really straightforward you just apply online there's there's a web link there unfortunately it's not it's not an active link so you're going to have to just google that but it's very simple to do you can register and then provide all your personal course information you can find the course titles that we have they're kind of generic titles you should get that from UCASP when when you've applied for your course but you can also find them on the server's website and it's very very simple to confirm your identity you just have to give SFE your UK passport number and your parents or partners national insurance number so if you're over 25 and you're cohabiting or living like you're married you'll need to provide evidence of your partner's income but yeah just providing the NI number to student finance is all you need to do normally so it's very very straightforward to provide that sort of detail and confirm your income and your identity and applications of student finance normally open around about February or March so look out for those but you can have a look at the website now just keep check your back until it's open so what about repayment of student loans well you become eligible to repay the loan in the April after you you leave or graduate from university and so before then you don't have to think about repaying it and and the good news is that repayments have automatically taken from your salary with your tax so essentially it's a sort of deducted thing that will come out of your your payslip before you before you see you don't have to arrange to pay it directly to student finance or the student loans company and so essentially it's added on like another tax and you don't start repaying anything until you're earning over £27,294 per year okay and then that's it in a monthly amount that's £2,274 per month but you do need to keep repaying it if you work overseas and and you know from experience salary students because of the reasons that we study they do like to often go and work overseas so it is important that if you're going to be doing that after your degree you stay in contact with student finance you let them know where you're going and confirm your earning details to them and then you pay 9% of anything over £27,294 that you earned so the repayments are never going to be really really difficult to afford so that to give you an idea is the sort of amount that you will be paying so once you hit that threshold then if you're earning for instance £29,500 you'd be paying back about £16 a month, £31,000 you'd be paying back £27 a month so as you earn more the repayments will go up but they're never going to be really really difficult to manage. So just some brief tips as we sort of come towards the end of the presentation how to make your money last budgeting you know as I've tried to sort of get in a little bit at the start of the presentation is a really useful thing you can get apps such as Money Dashboard that will allow you to budget also some banks now give you banking apps that you can use that you can really keep a check on how much money you're spending you can put little pots of money aside you know so try and save money on a regular basis. We'd always advise students or really anybody if possible to avoid credit cards, store cards and especially payday loans with their huge interest rates and once you're a student as soon as you're involved make sure you get yourself an NUS card and the Union Days card and these will give you loads of huge discounts everywhere even on things like shopping at groceries at some shops and chemists and you know certainly you can get really cheap cinema tickets restaurants all sorts of things really heavily reduced especially with things like restaurants if you're happy to go on a Monday which students you know often a bit more flexible about the days of the week they can go out then you could be saving like 20 30 40 percent really really good savings for because of your student status and then as mentioned in the presentation make sure you get yourself that student 18 plus oyster card if you're studying full-time and that's going to give you that 33 discount of traveling in London as well. So when should you apply so you can apply as soon as applications open in 2022 check the degree title on the service website as I mentioned and you don't need to have a firm place at so as you may just have so as to do first option but your your your place hasn't been confirmed you can still apply for student finance and put so as as your your destination university and then if you did end up going somewhere else you could always change this later with student finances quite easy to do so if you have any queries email us on advice so as to the UK and then I think this final slide is kind of a bit of a duplication of that so yeah please if you have any queries once you want to you know feel free to really watch this presentation especially if you need more complex details but I hope it's been useful I hope you find this up this online open day really useful as well and we look forward to seeing you so as in September thank you very much


He said one phrase inside made no sense. He said, you know, I think he said it out in the car too. Something about killing my wife. Something, I don't like, I don't like. Well, you ask someone a question and they're being deceptive about it. They may open up like she does quite often is being kind of loud and talking about it. But as they get closer to the end and they're brain saying, dude, you're lying, you shouldn't be doing this. Then they start to get quieter at the end of the when they start to finish up the sentence. And they'll back up usually just a little bit about that much, not a whole bunch, but they'll back up a little bit as they're doing that. Not every time, but most of the time. Listen for the volume of when they talk.  There are no absolutes as we are all the time preaching, but that's part of a cluster. Once you hear that, you go, oh wait, I just need to start paying attention. Then see if you can find some other things going on in that person talking that let you know that this might be something deceptive you're listening to.


Hi, George. Let me just get things ready. I'll be in a minute. Cool. Yeah, I think we can get started. Let me share my screen. There we go. All right, so yeah, welcome to 8 of June, 2023, RSVCX Community Call. This is our anti-trust police notice. By Hyperledger. Okay, and let's dive into our agenda. But before we get there, I would like to actually just think about the agenda, like out loud. I might have missed something. We have a touchdown on the mentorship. We have the usual stuff. And just a second. Yeah, and I think we need to actually add some points there. I saw George that you've created some issue and you also are like messaging me about, you would like to discuss some stuff about ARI's agent as Harness, right? So we can put that on agenda. Cool. Yeah, anyway, it's good, even if it's saved till the end of the meeting, remember? Okay, maybe let's do that. I think perhaps the typical, the chore agenda will be relatively fast, I think. So we can put it here as discussion points. So that would be AATH. And then, and then you had issue about the creator message, link. Okay, and I think for now we are already busy enough. Well, maybe that CLI app idea as well. Oh, yeah, that's right. And CLI, yeah, lots of stuff to cover. Good, good. That's what these meetings are for. So, yeah, let's get started. So the mentorship program, so probably the applicants are already aware. We have chosen the mentees. So if you haven't been contacted by us and by Linux Foundation about being selected, probably you got already other message saying otherwise. Nevertheless, there was really lots of competition. So please don't feel bad and don't get discouraged if you haven't been selected. Just the competition was tough. There was lots of people applying for a lot more than we expected. And it took some time to go through all the applicants. Nevertheless, this is now concluded. So congrats to selected mentees and I hope best of luck to the ones which haven't. But also I want to know that not being selected as a mentee doesn't mean you can't work with us and join these goals and contribute. It's an open source and anyone can make a dent and contribution. So yeah, heads up and cheers. Let's get to the chore portion of the agenda. So basically we had a bunch of PRs in relation to DDO. Oh, and actually I just noticed that we have two additional members on today, actually three on today's call. So welcome. We'll have a space for some free discussion at the end if you would like to. But maybe I would, if you don't mind me, you can kind of give an update on what's actually happening with the integration like you started working on and what kind of PRs that led you to make if you'd like to comment on it. Sure, I can pretend that my memory was beyond one week. So we, I have tried to integrate the new DDO-created crates into every CCX and run into multiple issues. One of them was, for example, that the current did parser rejects an A in unqualified dates. So we should type dates whenever we use them. Currently we are using strings and we should distinguish qualified and unqualified dates based on context we might want or based on context the dates, their method can be either inferred or not. So in cases where it can't, the dates should be qualified and we are throughout the code base currently using unqualified dates. Another issue is that the did doc create is based heavily on the actual latest did core spec and for example, the services fields which or the service format that is used in connection currently is type which is not part of the did so code of spec for example. So it's not entirely compliant to the specs. And this means that except for like using this in the agent type, it also as you mentioned, I think the public key field is not a valid did doc field. So there are like multiple discrepancies between the format that we use currently in connection protocol and in the new implementation which means that it would be very, oh, I'm saying that there are like multiple hurdles. Another thing is that another thing is that for example, the current did doc doesn't implement just the referencing of key references but the current implementation does. And this is kind of basic functionality that you should support. It's used quite widely. And yeah, I think that's mostly right. And then basically you created this 864 PR and kind of found and actually richly described all these issues in the PR description. And then still we couldn't merge it because of some issues but some of the useful stuff could have been cherry picked and that's pretty much what we did here in this variety of smaller PRs related to did doc. Yeah, that was just some minor improvements that I had to make when I was doing the integration. So I guess once we actually go ahead with the integration having these things on the table and then we'll make things easier. But yeah, I'll just add here now additionally to what Miros said that basically we also found that other implementations like AFJ or ACAPI they also, they support this kind of legacy aspects like the public key which is not included in did core but they do support this legacy format for a connection protocol. And that's the protocol, connection protocol implement currently. And so it doesn't probably is worth the effort trying to upgrade our existing connection protocol implementation to use the new did doc create which is W3C compliant but rather just kind of leave it as is the connection protocol and then go ahead and rather implement the exchange protocol which supersedes connection protocol and use the new did doc create which is W3C compliant there. But yeah, I guess it would be handy if before that we also implement this missing feature in the doc create the referencing of keys which is generally used and we support it right now in our legacy the doc implementation. So we would like to preserve that capability going forward with the exchanges as well. Yeah, I think it could be like we can adjust the new implementation to remain fully backwards compatible but might be kind of unnecessary work perhaps. Hmm, right. Yeah, so we'll see but I guess and we wouldn't want to invest heavily on connection protocol some sort of like improvements or investigations since the exchange is kind of like obvious descendant and I think that's actually pretty much all the implementation these days they already support the exchange. So let's just rather roll forward. Yeah, so these are like some improvements PR those are all merged, I think at this point. Then there was this additional PR about the new implementation about refactoring of profile abstraction we had and just sign minor technicality but connecting to that one of the tasks which is in progress right now is actually removing this profile abstraction from Aries VCX main code base and especially using it in like method signatures as arguments. So just a recap for listeners and those who might not be familiar a profile in Aries VCX code base was kind of a basket of objects having certain APIs the lower level APIs. So for example, there was APIs to read data from the ledger write data to the ledger to work with credentials to like create them, store them and whatnot. And yeah, stuff like this. And so that's kind of what we're trying to do and this basically forces I'll jump into the relevant PR, this is this one.   And this PR is now in progress. It's mostly, I think it's close to completion although I have failing tests here. Did you find there were many methods that got like super ugly with the amount of injections that it needs or are they also relatively small with what's required to be injected? I think it's not terrible. I think like usually it's what, yeah, usually there's not so many functions in Aries VCX which really require all components. Usually typically it requires like unencreds and maybe reading the ledger or writing the ledger or some combination, but usually it's not more than two components those Aries VCX function require. I know we can just browse through some random examples here. Yeah, often times, for example, here was a profile but actually you only needed the wallet from it or I don't know, is there some bigger one? So here's an example of a bigger one. This was for sending credential requests, I suppose required profile, now it's two components from it's the unencreds and the ledger read but actually as we kind of touched like mentioned before we still want to actually break down these unencreds like into smaller components by role. So I imagine that in the future it's gonna be like inject unencreds ledger read and then inject unencreds holder or something like that. So it will be even more kind of compartmentalized divided into more components. Awesome, yeah, that's good. Yeah. And so that was in the Aries VCX agent we were just looking at. So I guess the agent and tests will keep using profiles for convenience but that's just sort of for the convenience of the agent and for tests. Yeah, yeah, so just to quickly show that change remove profiles. Basically, if I do search in Aries VCX for a DIN profile as a trade object we used to have it's only in the Dev setup. Oh, yes. But it's still used in like agents, it's widely used here. Also for the tests in Aries VCX, so if I look here there's profiles here and there's only a few occurrences here because that's just declaration of the trade object but they have many uses right now. I mean, there's profiles are used all across the place. Yeah. So I guess I would keep the pro I was thinking of picking out the profiles into separate trade but I guess they can just sit in Aries VCX for now as a kind of a side component, a useful convenient helper tool for other projects integrating. Yeah, I guess it's helpful for projects where they know that they want everything, right? They want all the components of a profile. Otherwise you better. Yeah, exactly. Or actually what I found like since we were talking about this one more thing I have in progress. The reason why I even started what we like doing this is that I wanted to use the modular lips profile in the VCX and VCX Node.js wrapper. The problem is that the modular lips profile and the existing currently used in the VDR, VDR tools profile, their constructions are quite different because you cannot really build the VDR tools profile incrementally. Like it's either you build, you either initialize wallet and pull advance or nothing. But that doesn't really place like so well with the Node.js wrapper and just like they have this different approach. So it's like I wanted to have like more control over how we manage memory and global state in the like the VCX portion of the code. But because every VCX itself forced me to use profiles which are somewhat opinionated. It was like difficult to modify, you know and even just to think about it. So this was kind of preliminary work to like remove that dependency on profiles from various VCX. And then I would like to actually tweak the profiles or maybe create new kind of a profile trait which would enable kind of incremental building. So you could initialize wallet first then additionally you could initialize, you know pull, unencrant and whatever you need but to kind of give them more control about the order of the initialization. Yeah, yeah, cool. Awesome. Makes sense. Okay, I'll just leave a note here. So this is like soon for review and then we have like just kind of thinking we'll continue with incremental profiles, I guess. Incremental profile in a... Yeah, right. Upcoming work, I'll put it here. And also as we already touched on while reviewing the diddog integration, we would like to implement a didexchange protocol and we would like to implement a didexchange protocol so we could actually integrate the new diddog trade and make it all in nice and W3C compliant and everything. And also obviously since we are gonna be building these we want to do it the right way as we previously discussed and agreed on some like state machine implementation guidelines. It should be without IO and it should follow some like rules to make sure that it's like well testable and provides nice APIs. So yeah, this will be like work for like upcoming kind of we go to maybe more, I think. I mean, implementing new protocol that can be all the work especially with a new approach. And yeah, just going on the next section well, let me stop by here for a second. Anything else you guys think that should be like put here maybe in relation also with this stuff? I guess this could be actually the right time to discuss some of these points. You know, the priority of the message handling issue the CLI, the ATH, what do you think George? Yeah, sure, if you don't mind I can give an update on some of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so my question around the ARIES agent test harness came up after I was playing with VCX version 0.55 against Acropy version 0.8.1 which is I think the latest stable version of Acropy. And yeah, I just sort of found a couple small bugs with message related handling things. And I was thinking that's the kind of thing that AATH would pick up on. And so yeah, I guess I was wondering if you could share some information around what ARIES VCX's approach to AATH is and what that means and what's really tested by it. Right, right. Okay, yeah, sure. We can do that. I'm just thinking about the ordering here and where to fit this in. I think there's actually not really a need for discussion for this one, it's kind of stays as is in conjunction with the upcoming work. And yeah, we can just kind of hop in here for the AATH point now. So yeah, back to your question. Yeah, we have the AATH suits. We have the, how do you call it, back channel implemented on top of ARIES VCX agent the REST agent. And it's running against ACAPI and AFJ ACAPI, AFJ and itself in like pretty much all of the combinations. Not all, I think there are some suits which are disabled for some reasons. Some reasons and I think some features are just not implemented or in some cases maybe the counterparty was not fully implemented or there was some something like that. But I think the main, perhaps the reason why this was not catched as a message handling issue created, it was credential offer, right. I'm thinking that we actually have an updated our haven't synced up AATH with the main version for a while now. And I'm not sure the version is running. I think it was before the messages update and we did an update AATH since then. So that would be definitely something that we should put on actually our backlog. And it's quite high priority, I would say. Mira, I see you are muted. Yeah, it was last updated before we implemented the new connection. So about I think four, four, five months ago. It's using quite prehistoric version. Yeah, we should update it. Yeah, I don't know, George. This is actually like the part of a project like we strive to keep up a little bit. It's cumbersome to set up. But it is important, so we'll do it. But I just wanted to say if you would have like capacity to try to kind of get into this AATH profiles and maybe make some contribution there, like they'll be like super, super appreciated because we are, yeah, as you see, four months later, we are kind of struggling to keep up with these updates. I guess it's not always, it's not necessarily difficult. Like once you kind of have the infra and knowledge how to set it up, but from our team Miro is kind of expert on this one is all of HTA testing was pretty much done by mostly by Miro. So yeah, we'll have to put this on the backlog and I'm actually gonna put it here. Yeah, no worries. I can try to learn a bit about it. I have no idea how it works really. But I like the AATH, you know, I guess if we get it working smoothly and frequently, what do you think the right interval for running it would be? Do you think it may be? Also this is actually sorted out by the guys who develop AATH. They are running it, I don't know, every day or like really, really frequently.  It's just a matter of really like updating the back channel to use the, you know, newer version and then seeing how it goes out and, you know, probably addressing any issues that arise from there. Okay, cool, cool, cool. And the back channel points at the VCX agent crate, right? So, yeah. So it's like Aries VC, let me open up the repo. Basically the way it's like layered is like Aries VCX, right? Then on top of Aries VCX, there's the Aries VCX agent, which handles persistence and just kind of, yeah, like the instantiation of the library creates kind of like this service abstractions and it's all using profiles. And then on top of this project, on top of the Aries VCX agent, there's the harness and that's directly underneath the ATH. So if I go to about Aries, we have a back channel here, Aries back channels and there's Aries VCX. And yeah, and this is like a layer on top of the agent. So this kind of is adding all the specifics, end points, the HTTP end points, which must be implemented for the ATH, maybe. Wow, cool. Yeah, awesome. Mira will be way more knowledgeable about like how this works and what kind of tests there are in like, in the suit and what we are supporting and whatnot. And also, I think, like, if you try to set it up, I think Mira will be like, able to perhaps unblock you if you run into some issues because I'm really not vulvers in this yet, but Mira was doing lots of work here. Okay, awesome. Thanks for the info. Yeah. All right, so we should update, I mean, at least to update version, I think in sync of the code changes, it shouldn't be that much effort to get it compiled. The question is, yeah, if we run into some, if we like get the drop in our test suits, a number of passing test suits, maybe we'll have to address some issues, that's what should be done either way. And then we can avoid running into like stuff like this, which you discovered the hard way. Yeah, there was another one. I discovered as well, where during connection protocol, if you're the invitee and you send to acupy request payload using the new connection type state pattern, the did doc that you attach in your request has a public key, control the field, that's just an empty string. And then that empty string causes some validation on acupy's end to fail, and then it ignores your message so you can't form a connection with acupy. Oh, okay. And yeah, I think I sent a message about that wondering if you guys had experienced that, but if you are unaware of that, then I'll make an issue for it. Yeah, I think it'll be good. Yeah, maybe should please. So we track it. Yeah, and then we have like two more points. Well, one more point, I guess, message handling and the CLI. Yeah, so the CLI, you also created issues for that, right? Kind of like idea for a project. A CLI demo. Maybe you can for all the other listeners who, you know, didn't read through it and are either listening on YouTube or listening here, you can kind of conclude the idea and also if you had a chance to react to my suggestions here. Yes, yeah, I've had a read of that. Yeah, so essentially this issue is just proposing the idea that we make some CLI application which demonstrates how areas VCX is meant to be used in the holder issue or prove a verifier roles. And so I guess this pattern of creating a Alice and Faber demo is a somewhat common pattern in the area's ecosystem. So acupy has one where you're running to acupy instances, I believe where one is Alice and the other is Faber. And they're talking to each other. AFJ or checked as an example as well of how two agents can talk to each other. And I think as well in areas VCX in the Java wrapper, there is actually a demo of two Java applications, Alice and Faber who basically drive the CLI to talk to each other. But I think that example is a bit old now. Are you aware of that? I wasn't aware that there is a demo for Java, but there is a demo for Node.js which we kind of maintain still. It's even part of CI to run the demo. And also we actually have like a CLI built with Node.js. But I would much more prefer a Rust-based CLI and demo because consuming areas VCX through Node.js is a rather specific way of using it. And having a native would be definitely easier to maintain and also keep the quality high. Yeah. So when I first found out about areas VCX, I think that Java demo was one of the first things I found somehow. And just seeing those two files and seeing what APIs are meant to get called in what order, I think it is really helpful for new consumers to know what they're meant to be calling on. Even if it's just a really simple application. And yeah, that Java application, it's just printing out some lines saying, here's what's happening. And sometimes it'll take in a standard input for when you have to paste an invitation, for example, and things like that. But it's all super simple. So yeah, I guess I was proposing if we should make some demo like that of two different CLI applications is the most common pattern I've seen. So yeah, two different CLI applications that talk to each other and their implementation is just simply using the areas VCX create directly rather than any wrappers. Yeah, so we kind of started basically this work. So what do you think about my suggestions to summarize maybe my points? Basically is that we kind of had the CLI and we just didn't drive it to completion and then we somewhat like gave up on it like we'll finish this later. We'll do this later. Let's not add kind of like additional maintenance burden right now. But yeah, I mean for this, but at the same time like I imagine, as you said, from your own experience like having like Alice Faber kind of demo like which is easy to run. It really can make people much more like it make it much easier to understand like what's going on. But so if we're going to do it in Rust and it's going to be like CLI based that you have to like copy paste those invitation. I kind of do a little bit of manual interaction to really actually understand what's going on. Then then we should have like good CLI CLI baseline. So that makes me think we should actually like reopen the 692 and make it like our baseline for the Alice Faber demo. And then the Alice in favor, I believe they should essentially be running the same executable, maybe just with like different like some different configuration or something, but I mean after all it just agents, right? It just agents talking to each other, one issuing credential to the other. So try kind of try to maybe create some sort of Alice Faber scripts or executables on top of that, like shared CL general like general every CLI. And also, I mean, it will be great, not only for onboarding, but also I think for testing kind of like maybe like manual testing or testing some specific edge cases which you don't want to necessarily script, right? But you want to use areas like one party in the conversation and try some like custom workflows then having a CLI could be valuable there. Yeah, I do have an alternative opinion. So let me know what you think. But yeah, I think if we were to build it on top of the CLI, CLI work that was getting done, I do sort of worry about the complexity of it. I guess I was sort of imagining, you know, two files Alice.rs, Faber.rs to keep it simple, where it's all in one file and you can see exactly what areas VCX APIs are being called rather than having to drill down into some CLI implementation. That CLI implementation seems more like a full fledged project of its own with potential like production value. And same case for using the areas VCX agent code, I think that would sort of hide away the areas VCX calls that we're trying to show off to consumers. I guess I'm imagining the demo is trying to show off areas VCX directly rather than show off the areas VCX CLI tool and the areas VCX agent tools that we've made. Right. If you get what I mean. Yeah, I get it. And I think it actually convinced me really easily. And there will be also a lot less effort like, yeah, okay, two files and it wouldn't be like maybe I guess as general as like I envision, but yeah, I mean, it would definitely make better job at demonstrating the code usage. Code usage. It'll be, I probably, I feel like it'll be, it'll be very similar to the like end to end test integration tests we have, but it will be different in a sense that it will be split in two files. You kind of have to run them both. You might be a little bit interactive if we ask the user to copy paste like invitation from one window to another. Yeah, I can imagine that. Yeah. And it will be, it'll be, I guess for this kind of demo, like if we were to build this Alice favor demo on top of CLI, then it will make sense to like invest lots of effort into like making the CLI actually good and make sure that it's like kind of production and great quality, then we don't have to refactor it out later again. But this kind of demo is, you can kind of just glue it up together and it's two files. You just update to get it, get it compiled. It doesn't have to be beautiful code, but it should be like this kind of explanatory code. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's my opinion of it as well. In my opinion should just be something where it's two small files or so where all of the, the fat of, you know, testing setups and, and everything else is cut out. And it's just pretty much only Aries VCX API calls directly, you know, straight onto the handler type state patterns and one run. And then that could be maybe referenced from the Aries VCX read me as a, as an example of how to use it. I think it could be like, well, depending on the urgency, although I feel like it's not urgent, it could be actually like good first issue maybe for someone to implement it. It would be challenging issue, but it will be extremely educative for whoever would pick it up because they would actually have to use all of the API is pretty much an initialized library and, and kind of go through the entire workflow. But I don't know, we can maybe keep it, keep it open for a while. At the same time, I feel like it'll be the way I could describe it. And I would pretty much like now agree to not make it too robust. It shouldn't be too big effort to get it implemented for like some, for somebody who's familiar with Aries VCX, I guess. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, maybe even that Java demo, or even the node demo, which, which I haven't seen could be used as a reference, how to implement this one. Any other opinions from the, from the participants? Or thoughts? I agree if it's, if the goal is to show off Aries VCX, the usage of Aries VCX, and just simple, like, simple demo would show, but if the goal is to basically test any, any scenario, any agent behavior, then more generic CLI would be useful. So it depends what the goal is, but I think it's entirely a valid goal to show off Aries VCX. Yeah, I had originally, when I was reading the issue, basically, I was thinking like, like, oh, somebody wants to like see the, understand the code usage, they can take a look at tests. But yeah, I see that. I said, now I see the value of like having Alice and Faber and running in the files, it's kind of a, kind of more, gives more satisfaction to see it running as a scenario and you run the scripts written in just running cargo test and you have like a bunch of OK, OK, OK, like a test passing. Yeah. So yeah, let's, let's do it. Let's create issue, we can make it a good first issue, give it a few days, if nobody picks it up, then we can just implement it. Well, yeah, I did that ticket to make it more clear what the intention is around what we just talked about. So I'll put it here, Alice and Faber CLI demo demonstration. And yeah, OK, this is checked, we mentioned, we covered. I think that's it. For our agenda. Before we like sign off completely as I didn't mean to let we have a, I see we have a Agnes and mysterious anonymous adult. Participant on the call. If you would like to feel free to like introduce yourself. If you would like to stay kind of anonymous and like just just be audience, that's fine too. So if you would like to introduce yourself. You can go ahead now. If not, that's all right too. All right, hi everyone. My name is Agnes. I just joined the mentorship program. I have no idea what's been going in the call, but Barbara asked us to just join some different project calls and try to figure out what the documentation needs might be. So my internet connection is a bit weak today. So Barbara asked us to just find out what the different projects might need in terms of documentation. So I chose I is because I'm more conversant with Python. So yeah, so I'm still just checking all the projects so that we go back and check what projects may be working with. I'm from Nairobi, Kenya. Yeah. Okay. And what, what, what project are you meant for? Oh, I'm, I'm into that documentation. We haven't chosen the projects yet. That's what we are supposed to do this week. Is it the AATH? We haven't chosen the projects yet. We're just generally doing documentation. We haven't been assigned the thing yet. So you asked to go and find just different projects and figure out what you might be interested in. Okay, I see, I see. If you would like to like connect and like, you know, if you have any questions inquiries about our areas we see implementation, then we have a, we have a Discord channel. So feel free to drop a question or reach out via direct message or Discord as well. All right, thank you. All right. Well, I guess that concludes that concludes it. And this was, we almost use entire time. George, do you have any, George or Miro, do you have any final remarks or points you would like to? Yeah, sorry, I just have one question about that a non-credits priority. So if there, if there is a tool provided that helps people migrate from VDR tools to the credits, wallet data, the non-credits wallet data, do you think we're then going to need more migration for credits to the non-credits RS implementation? If you know what I mean. Yeah, I'm not, I don't know how different, what kind of differences and challenges that that transition is going to bring. So I guess it's kind of hard to tell, but I imagine that there might be some sort of migration too. I'm not sure. Right. But I guess an alternative option would be if we move to a non-credits RS before the migration scripts are written. So then there's only one migration needed, which would be VDR tools to a non-credits RS. Yeah, technically, that's, yeah, that's also option. Actually, so we have a Bogdan author right now and he was, he started working on a migration tool. I don't think you get, you go down into like specifics. So probably the work you've done would be still like reusable. It's pretty, it looked pretty like a generic, but yeah, I would like to actually do like some further testing like from our side on the, on the credits implementation. That's why I'm doing all the stuff around the profiles and trying to integrate the module leaps profile into the VCX and V6 and PRS. And then once we have that like working and compare them actually, yeah, it would, it would make sense to actually like postpone the migration script and just, just finalize the, the VDR tools to a non-credits kind of migration first. That would be the only one, right? Yeah, yeah, just something to think about. Yeah, I'm sure Bogdan has thought about this and has opinions on it as well. Yeah, I'll definitely put here as a note. So considering prioritizing, try, try. It's difficult to write when my being was publicly on the call. I feel nervous, cannot type even the basic words now. Prioritization, that's, it's wrong, is it? Prioritize, migration, integration, all on credits, RS, prior to credits, migration. All right, we'll, we'll think about this, but I think it makes sense actually, yeah, why, why to make ourselves extra work with two migrations when if we can only do, if we only can find a way to only do one. Right. Okay, guys. Anything else? Well, it was exactly one hour and, and I think there's nothing else. So thank you all for joining in here. We have the RSVCX channel, you can reach out, reach us out there as well. Thank you for, for being here and have a great week. You too. Thanks guys. Bye.


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