This is Puro Pelka with Michael Pelka only on the blaze radio network This is your own book filling in for Mike of Pelka and I'll be here the rest of the day today for another hour or so and then Tomorrow for three hours from noon until 3 p.m. East Coast time. All right. We've got a I've got an exciting guest on now my former colleague Alex Epstein who is the CEO of the Center for Industrial Progress the number one Defender of the energy industry in the United States the only energy industry that really matters The fossil fuel industry. So hey Alex, how you doing? It's good to be here. I'm glad I got promoted to CEO. I'm actually president But it's good to get a promotion. Well, since you don't have a CEO then, you know Why not what they'll or maybe you do have a CEO? I don't even know. I hope I didn't demote anybody else Now we're good. So so you actually so you actually went out there and and Watched Al Gore's latest movie. I mean, we've been talking for the last hour about truth About what is truth and how to evaluate truth? So in terms of this new Inconvenient truth part two. Is there any truth in the movie? Well, I wish I had heard heard the discussion because I think that's definitely the right question to ask in advance and it's It's really remarkable how people don't ask in advance of a documentary What would it mean for this to be true? What what kinds of arguments would I expect? Because I've read a lot of the reviews and they all say well I'm sure Al Gore is right on the facts, but you know, this scene wasn't cinematography Whatever the advert there, you know is not perfect or something like that But they don't ask well, what would it mean to be true? And so I take what they mean as truth as well He showed me some pictures and videos and the pictures and videos in some form happened But that's not the relevant form of truth for our purposes because our purposes in watching a movie like this are To determine what is the right policy going forward on energy? Given that fossil fuel is the leading source of energy in the world 85 which produces 85% of the world's energy Also emits co2, which has some sort of impact on climate So what truth would mean would be giving us the full context. Yes with a lot of careful analysis of both what are the benefits of going forward with fossil fuels and what are the risks and on the flip side What are the benefits if any of Al Gore's policies of outlawing 80 plus percent of fossil fuel use and then what are the risks of those? But instead all he does is present the positives of his policies and Presents no negative so that the product is as worthless and and even if you put aside even the policy issues Is he presenting enough evidence to even suggest that his Perspective on the science is even true No, and I'm glad you asked that that question So one one sub so if the big question is what's the whole picture in terms of benefits and risks Then a subset of that has to do with scientific evaluation of what happens when you put more co2 in the atmosphere And what you would expect from that Would be to for example if you're claiming that there's been dramatic warming You would show how much warming there was and then you would also show the impact of that on human life And all of those statistics exist So there's no reason for board not to cite them. They are the relevant form of truth in this context in the movie doesn't cite them No, he doesn't give you any specifics on how much warming there's been and he certainly doesn't give any specifics on how Many climate-related deaths there have been because if you look at the actual trends what we have is a historically Mild not particularly interesting amount of warming despite record increases in fossil fuel use And we have a record low number of deaths from climate, which is what really matters from a human perspective So we've gone from from population adjusted 10 plus million deaths in the 30s multiple years to last year 6114 recorded climate-related deaths Which illustrate that there's no significant problem of having point oh one percent more co2 in the atmosphere But there's an enormous benefit of having industrial progress to protect us from the naturally dangerous climate Yes, so talk a little bit more about this. I think this is a fascinating point about deaths from weather and And what what that means and what in the fact that they ignore it What does that say about this standard of evaluation? I Mean you you make this great point about how deaths from climate have declined dramatically elaborate on that This is a fascinating issue because I remember when I was working at the Einrhein Institute I remember learning about this myself and even though obviously Objectivism is the most pro-human philosophy imaginable I realized that I myself when looking at the climate issue was too Focused on how much are we impacting climate and not what is the impact on life? Whereas if we think about it The only thing that matters about impacting climate is impact on human beings And we could be impacting it positively or we could be impacting it a little bit negatively But negatively for humans and the positives with far outweigh that and I remember this Learning from Keith Lockett. She works at AI of this guy ender go Kalani who who publicized the The data which is from this non-partisan international agency the international disaster database this data on What has happened to deaths from climate over time? So this is storms and floods and heat and cold and all these things that Al Gore supposedly wants to protect us from and There was this incredible stat that those deaths had gone down by a rate of 98% From the 30s, which is the time where they have any kind of decent data To the present and this was really shocking even to me and then I realized oh wait I haven't been thinking of it from a pro-human perspective I was sort of assuming that well if we're impacting climate then this area it can't be getting better But I didn't I wasn't thinking of it in terms of well from a pro-human perspective Nature doesn't give us a safe climate that we make dangerous gives us a dangerous climate that we need to make safe and Fossil fuel use powering industrial development and protecting us from climate That turns out to be an enormous driver of climate safety So it's not just that fossil fuels help us, you know get more electricity and run our refrigerators, which is true They do it's also that they help us they help protect us from climate So their alleged biggest problem is actually one of their biggest Accomplishment so how do they help us protect? How do they protect us from climate? How to fuss our fuels make it possible for us to reduce the number of deaths from a hurricane or for from our tornado? Well, let's take it by what are the most significant forms of death historically So the most significant form of death historically is definitely drought, you know and drought basically means you don't get the water That you expected to Well, it's not that putting more CO2 in the atmosphere has led to you know Nature magically giving us water when we want it, but through Industry what we can do is we can do two core effects One is we can take naturally dirty water and make it clean so we can use it to grow our crops and do all kinds of other things And we can take naturally unavailable water from remote locations and bring it where we want So that means this no matter what's going on in nature We have increasingly the ability to in effect negate the drought by bringing water to the place where nature in effect Wanted there to be a drought so you have these statistics where? 99.98 you have a 99.98 percent decline in the relative drought in the rate of drought related deaths It's just that staggering so just for for that one thing the fossil fuel industry by powering the machines That do all these things by powering the development has done this enormous service And of course they've been given no credit. Yeah, I know that that's staggering I mean we had a I mean we had a drought supposedly here in Southern, California Didn't really affect anybody's life.  Why? because fossil fuels powered pumps to Provide us with water from all kinds of different places including desalination including recycling water Technology is amazing in that way and and you know I think this is probably the most important point about the whole climate change debate people fixate on on Temperature changes, but this point about safety and about technology making it possible and technology driven by fossil fuels That's why nobody else, but Alex makes and it's it's such a crucial It's probably the most important point in the whole debate. All right. We need to take a break Alex is gonna stay with us for the next segment You're listening to your own books to your own book filling in for Mike a pelka and we'll be back right after this break You're listening to pure apelka with Mike opelka on the blaze radio network Well now with Mike today, this is your own book filling in for Mike. I'll be here today be here tomorrow And we've got Alex Epstein on the line He is the president of the Center for Industrial Progress and probably the number one Defender of Energy from the perspective of human flourishing and as a consequence the number one defender are the fossil fuel Business, so I got a question online here Somebody asked so so what do you make of Al Gore? Is is he basically just lying? Well, I make a vulgar. That's a good question Well, I think I think it's wrong to just think of things in terms of you're telling the truth Or you're or you're lying I think that that's the wrong kind of view of knowledge because usually it's not just they're Misrepresenting a particular fact so that can happen It's that their whole framework for thinking about things is distorted So I mentioned that what a documentary owes us is it owes us the whole picture? And I should add to that it owes us the whole picture of what you mentioned Which is what's gonna impact human flourishing and Al Gore's? Framework is not to think of things in terms of human flourishing He thinks of things in terms of minimizing human impact on the planet and in part because he has that framework He has this expectation which creates enormous confirmation bias that anything we do that impacts nature Must be bad so he looks at the universe and looks at hey Where is the basically Gaia punishing us for our environmental sins and and all of his focus is there and Then he doesn't expect any unique benefits to come from changing nature in the way that we do So it's that kind of distortion and when you have that kind of distorted framework It takes a lot of honesty to then Be be pulled back and to look at all the counter evidence and to not have your confirmation bias And let's just say Al Gore is not a person I would count on for a lot of honesty No, I mean I don't think he is I think it's fair to say that the guy is dishonest But but but you're right The right way to look at this is to look at the full context and look at all the information He's leaving out not necessarily whether he's lying about a particular fact, but you have a you've written a an article about about the movie and you talk about a lot of kind of his predictions about Catastrophic sea rises Miami's gonna be flood I mean isn't it true though given the context of human flourishing that if Miami's really going to flood We should be prepared and we should think about solutions How does he present it in the movie and how would you address this issue of Miami flooding? Well, I mean that's a big kind of if and even the way you posed it I mean, what does it mean? It's going to flood because part of how I'd think of it I'm sure how you'd think of it is we look at it from a technological perspective So we think about okay What are all of the different things that we could do if there was sea levelized and there is some sea levelized I mean, it's risen a ton since glass ice. So if that's really a concern, what can we do technologically? What Gore does is he actually tries to anticipate that argument by showing some road that's flooded and they took some sort of half-assed Like quote-of-quote technology measure and he just says well, you know, you can't compete with mother nature So then his solution is well, let's just starve the whole world of energy and then that'll be Fantastic, so he's not looking at this in a pro technology way He's looking at this in an anti-technology way and that his core solution is to withdraw Technology and to use technologies that are demonstrably inferior like solar wind It's very telling that he's not an advocate of nuclear and hydro, which are the best non-co2 forms of energy Yeah, and so Tell us a little bit about about this issue of Solar and wind. I mean, it's kind of cool, right that we can use the Sun to generate electricity You know, I get I get a salesman knocking on my door trying to sell me solar panels I think I actually did a thesis in high school I think my senior thesis on solar energy back then this is 1979 I think any day now they were gonna have to break through to make it completely economical and And I interviewed scientists and stuff and it was it was cool. So what have you got against technology Alex? These are major advancements.  Yep, and it's not that at all It's the reason I'm talking about fossil fuels is because you hate them and you're trying to restrict them so for if the government was going after Apple and I defended Apple that wouldn't mean that I hate Samsung and that I'm I would be indifferent to a superior Samsung Product it means that I want out Apple to have the freedom to compete and as part of that I'm championing the value of what they've done and what they plan to do in the future So I'm not advocating they're advocating for the suppression of currently superior technologies I'm not advocating for the suppression of currently inferior technologies because as customers We can suppress or promote things by buying them What sense is is? Solar and wind in inferior technology right now Well, the ultimate the ultimate thing is can it produce can you get reliable energy? including electricity on Demand at the lowest cost possible and the core problem that they have in delivering this is that the Inputs the Sun and the wind are not reliable inputs and therefore they need some sort of Reliability measure and using batteries is just insanely expensive So what every grid in the world does is they back it up? Using fossil fuels and to some extent nuclear and hydro, but then how much do you need to back it up? Well, since you can never really rely on it You need almost a hundred percent backup, but that means it's not backup It's just life support and then the the solar and wind to become dead weight so they have all sorts of and of Attempting gimmicks to get around this but ultimately the question is what happens to the cost of electricity on the grid? When you put solar and wind on and it always goes way up because it's just a bunch of dead weight Yeah, and the fact is that it's unbelievably even put aside even putting aside the dead weight aspect The technology is just not there in terms of competing with fossil fuels in terms of cost That is even if I think you tell me if I'm wrong Alex even if solar was on all the time Even if you had 365 days of sunshine we can pretty close in Southern California It still would be more expensive if it wasn't subsidized Then well that that that would be interesting. I mean I think it would be much more promising and exciting that way But okay 365 days first of all, you're talking about a very distinctive place second of all I've lived in Southern California a lot and it does not have 24 hours a day worth of sunlight, which is the really relevant thing It's that you have very dark nights and just go to the UCI I think it's a Carl's Jr. And they've got their solar reading on two minutes So they're after you know 4 p.m. It'll just be zero and it'll say powered by solar. Yep Yeah, I know nighttime is an inconvenience a really inconvenient truth for for our goal for the whole for the whole scam of solar energy All right, Alex We've got about a minute and a half Parting thoughts and where can people find out more about you the organization? What do you what do you want them to read? What do you want to live to read following your appearance here? There's one quick example that I think captures my perspective My friend in India was telling me when he grew up he'd experience 120 degrees and the environmentalist solution is let somehow Stop using energy and get him down to 119 and my solution is get him a damn air conditioner Yep, so that's how we recline it differently in terms of what I'm up to Industrial progress.com is our website and we have a newsletter. I just suggest that people join that and you can 60 All the latest things there's something coming up, which I like called human flourishing project But we just mail out weekly. We don't spam you the big battle That's the best way to see there's obviously social media as well But honestly, I want you on my mailing list. So Quickly Everybody should go out there by the mall case for fossil fuel Follow Alex on industrial progress comms sign up for the newsletter as he said he doesn't spam I'm I'm subscribed. I've read the book. I encourage all of you To do the same when we come back. We'll talk more about what we discussed here with Alex we'll integrate it with what we've talked about earlier on the show and We will we've got we've got the final half an hour and we'll wrap up You're listening to your own book filling in for Mike a poker and on the blaze radio network On the blaze radio network All right, I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation with Alex Epstein And I encourage you all to go out there and and get his book Mall case for fossil fuels probably the best book you'll read on the whole climate change issue But broader than the whole climate change issue to give you a whole new perspective a whole new approach to dealing with both the environmentalists arguments, but also with with thinking about energy and fossil fuels and and Coal and and and gasoline and natural gas. I mean a whole new approach To looking at these things. That's that that that's a real that's real influence. That's a real achievement when not only Not only are you discovering new facts But you're discovering a new way of looking at something and I think that's the real contribution of the book and Generally of what you know the way Alex described it earlier is is when you go in and watch a movie like Al Gore's about Climate change. It's not just about what Al goes presenting It's about is what he's not presenting and about much more importantly about what is the fundamental question that he's asking What is the context that he's approaching the whole issue from and this goes back to a discussion of truth? What is framing his viewpoint if his perspective starts out with kind of a a basic idea that The earth is the standard The temperatures must be stable and then everything goes from there if that's his fundamental assumptions Then you know, maybe a lot of what he says is kind of factually true, but all in the wrong context What is the right context well the right context should be human life We're humans after all it should be our life. How does climate affect our life? What is climate doing? to our lives if That's the context if that's the context Then the questions he's asking the answers he's given. Are you relevant to the actual issue at hand? And as Alex points out, it's never been safer to be a human being From any perspective, it's silly from a perspective of climate. We've never been more protected from weather ever we can tolerate We're better shielded we have predicts the ability to predict and and to prepare and we have materials that protect us from tornadoes and hurricanes and and droughts that have killed Millions in human history, I assume and We have that ability to to a overwhelming extent because of fossil fuels because of technology because of progress and And we should celebrate that we should be celebrating that fact. All right, we've got a call from Skyler from Delaware. Hey Skyler. How's it going? green Go ahead. You need to speak up a little bit. You're kind of Breaking up there a little bit All right. All right. Hear me now.  Do you what would it be would it be appropriate to call the environmentalists and the movement that they have? Okay, I think what you asked And you're breaking up a little bit. Is this it appropriate to call the environmentalists Basically a new religion and and I my I would argue. Yes. Absolutely. I think it is a new religion. It's a religion that basically Has a new god a new god is is mother earth and to that extent maybe it's an ancient religion because gaya Mother earth is a phenomena of of of ancient religions And that now the standard Is the well-being of the new god? um human beings because because we survive By adapting reality to us we change our environment. That is the way in which we survive We chop down trees to build homes We excavate the mountain in order to build better homes We use sand to turn it into silicone to use in our computers We are constantly we eat Animals and we we industrialize the eating of animals the way in which we survive the way in which we thrive the way in which we live well Is by changing our environment to fit our needs That for environmentalists is original sin So the original sin is the need of human beings to change the environment to fit their needs And therefore we are all as human beings sinful by definition And then technology because Human life necessitates changing the environment human life At some extent is filled with this guilt and original sin which generates which generates guilt And then anything we do and and and it's global warming now It was global cooling in the 70s. It was having too many babies in the in the 60s And and and again today. It's uh, it's chemicals We're putting out into the atmosphere in the 1960s Silent spring Was the famous book And on and on and on it goes everything we do as human beings has negative consequences on the environment If what you mean by environment some kind of mystical mythical mother nature And this is why the context how you frame what you're studying how you frame the debate Is so important because if it's true that mother nature exists And if it's true and that should be the standard for all human activity, then it's true That we're disrupting it Now, I mean the fact that we're part of nature the fact that human beings are product of nature They somehow ignore all that and and that's not Under consideration, but that's the point religion ignores What is inconvenient mysticism? ignores what is inconvenient For them to actually engage with so they you know, they just walk away from it and they don't address it But that's what frames everything now That's what the intellectuals have and and like In all religions the masses don't necessarily study and understand What it is that they high priests are actually doing They just accept what they high priests are telling them our goal is one of the high priests And we go to the movie and we say, oh, yeah We're flooding It's warming things are going to get bad Human beings. We're changing the environment, you know, and we're going to suffer and we're going to suffer because You know, hell is going to happen here on earth because We have this original sin So i'm not saying that all environmentalists Buy into the intellectual arguments and to the Deep religious arguments if you will But they all buy into the religion in the sense that they accept the pride priesthood Of al goh and the rest of them. This is the new secular religion One of the new secular religions that dominate the left not the only one there are a number of them But this is a dominant one. Thanks Skyler. Thanks for calling. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to say that and to bring that up We are going to have to take a quick break here You're listening to your on brook filling in for mike apelka and we'll be back after this break On the blaze radio network All right, this is your on brook our final segment for today filling in for mike apelka and you can you can listen to me every sunday from What is it 11 to 1 pacific time 11 to 1 pacific time? uh Every every sunday. So, uh, please You're listening to mike Follow me over on sundays. Uh, somebody on one of these chats writes Um, man wouldn't be man without the earth our existence depends on it so far, you know, don't we need to protect the earth? I don't know what that means I don't know what that means They only risk to the earth Really, I mean there is no risk to the earth. What are we gonna do to the earth blow it up?  The earth is just a pile of rock We don't you know What we need to do is protect man What we need to do is make sure that human survival is guaranteed human flourishing is guaranteed And the only way to do that is by adapting technology. It's by changing our environment It's by using the resources that exist in the earth To better our lives gets too hot We buy more air conditioning, but getting too hot is not going to hurt the earth I don't know what that means hurt the earth doesn't hurt The earth doesn't have an existent It doesn't have a consciousness that it can it can feel pain The the whole framework for the environmentalist Discussions should be Is this good for human beings? Is this supportive of human flourishing or isn't it? That's the context. That's the way to frame the debate And the earth is there for us to use the earth is there for us to exploit So that we can thrive and be successful. And yeah, if we're running out of resources We need to solve that problem. But the way to the way to solve that problem The way to solve that problem Is allowing for a free market where?  All right, we're going to take a quick call from Abboton Abboton. Are you there? Thanks for being really really patient my call. Hey We got to be quick. Unfortunately. So ask quickly sure So for me, I mean this this really connects back to your earlier point And the problem is here is that everybody has their own truth and we're so aware of it in politics But the reason we let the environmentalists get away with this I think is because we we don't have practice with Identifying the truth in our everyday life when we work with others Like we need to learn how to hold truth as a standard and often in work environments is considered like a taboo To challenge authority you might be considered difficult or hard to work with And failing to apply your mind And identify the truth that limits your own freedom because you have to defer to the emotions of others And in the case of environmental They're the ones who think the whole world is going to blow up. So we we have to give in to them Yeah, and it's all based on emotion. I agree with you completely In in in the sense what you're saying is that this is a cultural phenomena. It's not In any one sector it doesn't apply to any one specific Realm of knowledge, but this is there's a cultural phenomena Where people are not truth seekers and I said earlier in the show I said we should all be truth seekers in everything that we do in our relationships With other people in our relationships with our family In in in our workplace and a boss who has an employee tell me. Hey boss, you're wrong Here's the right answer The boss should celebrate that and should reward that in every aspect of our life in every place in our life We should Seek out the truth and also frame the truth correctly again The truth doesn't just implant yourself on you you have to have a whole context of knowledge You have to be asking the right questions So for example, if the environmentalists really believe that the purpose of everything is Gaia or or or the planet or something like that Then that colors everything that they think after that We have to know how to challenge. They deeply held assumptions Why is the earth important? What's your frame of reference and it all starts has to start with human beings It has to start with with with individual human life and the requirements of individual human life Otherwise, we're not even talking about the same thing And and and but it but this is why reason is so important. This is why facts are so important. This is why not Going by emotions or going by other people's emotions Is is so important, but I agree It's a completely cultural phenomena. It's everywhere. It affects the right. It affects the left It affects the middle. It affects our workplace. It affects our scientists who now Maybe the emotion of fear is preventing them from challenging some of the ideas behind climate change Or the fact that they find some indication that yes, the world is warming one minute immediately causes them to jump to the conclusion That we have to eliminate fossil fuels, right? So they they buy into that false Leap Which is not true. So it it affects every aspect of our life. So Unfortunately, uh, everything I have to end here. So we got we got like 30 seconds So let me just end on this You know what this show is about is about seeking truth What your life should be about 30 is about seeking truth seeking knowledge and living By that truth and that knowledge In the pursuit Of your own happiness That's what we talk about on the uran book show. I hope uh, you'll come back and listen tomorrow morning For nine to twelve pacific time. You're listening to your own book And uh, thanks to mike apelka who let me fill in this week and five four Three talk to you tomorrow two one Pure apelka right apelka on the blade see you tomorrow. Yep sounds good And to record after yeah All right Okay, that sounds good to me if you're not sure. All right, no problem. Bye. Here are some ideas While brushing your cat while defending your gender


My name is Sam Vaknin and I'm the author of Malignan Self-Lover, Narcissism Revisited. My good friend Joanne Lachkar was the first to describe the intricate dynamics, the dance macabre between narcissists and borderlines. In her seminal book, the Narcissistic Borderline Couple, first published, if my memory doesn't fail me, in 1983. She was the first to put her finger on the fact that narcissists and borderlines have archaic wounds. Later she relabeled this and called it the V-spot, the vulnerability spot. And she said that narcissists and psychopaths cater to each other's pathologies by activating or provoking these archaic wounds and then solving them. More prosaically, the borderlines focus on her intimate partner is such that in itself it constitutes narcissistic supply. The borderlines concentration, the borderlines intensity, the borderlines dedication, addiction really to her partner are irresistible to the narcissists. And of course the narcissists provides the borderline with the drama she needs and with all kinds of triggers that are required to regulate her internal environment. The dynamic unfolds more or less in several stages. First of all, the borderline the narcissists meet, the narcissists love bombs the borderline. The borderline goes through a phase where she becomes convinced that she had found the prince of her dreams, the night in Shinigama, the men, because most narcissists are men and most borderlines are women, I'm going to use these genders. So the borderline believes that she had found the men who would love her forever, who would never abandon her. The borderline is obsessed with issue of abandonment. She has separation anxiety or abandonment anxiety. She anticipates abandonment and she tries to preempt abandonment. Any sign of rejection, even the most minimal, even the most tangential, even behaviors which are not directed at the borderline, but lead to the absence of the partner. For example, the partner has to travel or is busy with an engagement. All these provoke in the borderline a sense of impending doom and abandonment. And the love-bombing phase deceives her into believing that the narcissists will never abandon her. And when I say never abandon her, I mean literally never, like every minute of every hour of every day for the rest of her life. Of course, this is a tall order and it fails the reality test in the sense that no one can fulfill this kind of role, at least not in the long term. Sooner or later, there are situations which evolve within the couple which the borderline interprets as rejection. As rejections accumulate, the borderlines create a scenario in the head, a narrative whereby these rejections both lead to and are indicative of an intention to abandon, to abscond, to bail out, to eject from the relationship. Borderlines have very low tolerance for uncertainty and even lower tolerance for abandonment. So what the borderline does then, she preempts the abandonment. In other words, she dumps the narcissists before the narcissist dumps her. But before we come to this stage, let us discuss the issue of rejection and abandonment as it is perceived by the borderline. Internally, the borderline has an attachment model. The attachment model is such that it includes elements of fusion and merger, very akin to co-dependence. But as opposed to co-dependence, the borderline does maintain her separateness. She is separated and individuated. She doesn't really want to merge and fuse. She just wants her partner to be available all the time, to be there all the time. And she needs the partner's presence. So the merger and fusion have to do with logistical issues, actually. The partner has to be present. The partner has to be attentive. The partner has to cater to her needs. The partner has to provide endless support. The partner has to answer questions. The partner simply has to serve as an omnipresent, omnitemporal resource. When the partner fails in the eyes of the borderline in fulfilling this role, borderline does not interpret it as the partner having a separate existence. She interprets it as signals. In other words, the borderline not only has a defective, dysfunctional internal model of attachment, but she also has a problem with interpreting signals and cues. And she also has a problem of rendering misinterpreting behaviors within dysfunctional narratives that incorporate misinterpretation of signals. So that's quite a mouthful. Let me try to elaborate on each one of the three elements. The first element is a dysfunctional internal model of attachment. In the borderline's mind, intimacy is pain. Intimacy is intimately connected to pain. Pain and hurt are inevitable outcomes of getting close to someone. So she, in her mind, regards people who love her, people who seek her company, people who want to have a relationship with her as potential sources of pain and hurt. And this is not just your run-of-the-mill pedestrian pain and hurt. This is the kind of pain and hurt that can lead her to suicide.  And in some settings and so on, about 70% of them self-mutilate or attempt suicide. So suicide is a very serious risk. And cutting and mutilation and so on, they are also very serious risk. And the pain, the borderline's only way to cope with pain and hurt is by self-trashing or damaging herself. Wreckless behaviors such as, for example, unprotected sex or extreme substance abuse, binge drinking and so on. These are also forms of slow-motion suicide or forms of self-mutilation. That's the borderline's way of coping with pain and hurt. So whenever she finds an intimate partner, whenever she falls in love, whenever she gets attached, immediately there's a thought, it's going to hurt me. It's going to cause me intolerable pain, unbearable pain. I am not going to survive this. So within the borderline there's a dynamic. There's a clash between her fear of abandonment and her fear of engulfment. We call this situation approach avoidance repetition, compulsion. She approaches then her anxiety spikes because she expects to be hurt. She expects pain, so she withdraws. She becomes avoidant. But then as she becomes avoidant, she's afraid to lose her partner, her abandonment and separation anxiety spike. So she again approaches and again avoids and again approaches, et cetera, et cetera. And all this within an attachment model that says, you are safe with strangers.  You can have fake intimacy with strangers. You can have a few hours intimacy with strangers. You can do anything with strangers because it's safe. Because they're strangers and they're never going to see them again.  There's not going to be pain involved in this. I'm not going to touch to this person. But I must avoid my significant other. I must not give him the power to hurt me. And this leads to serious problems in relationships with borderlines generally. And even more so in relationships between borderlines and narcissists. Because the narcissist verbally abuses, physically abuses, sexually abuses. Abusing is the narcissist's main mode of communication. It is via abuse that the narcissist reasserts his grandiosity, his omnipotence. It is via abuse that the narcissist safeguards control over important internal objects. The narcissist internalizes everyone and interacts only with internal objects. Abuse is this way of maintaining control. Abuse is indispensable to the narcissist. And major forms of abuse include silent treatment, being emotionally absent, being physically absent, absenting oneself, going away, going no contact for a while. In verbal abuse and psychological abuse, the narcissist would tend to be sadistic. Because using his cold empathy, he realizes that the borderlines may trigger his pain, so he causes her pain. He also leverages her abandonment anxiety. He heightens it. He amplifies it. And he does this very often. I wouldn't say unintentionally because it's this intention involved, but he does it the way a virus infects a body. He does it the way a tiger, it's an antelope. He does it because that's his quiddity, that's his essence. These forms of abuse are who the narcissist is. There are integral parts and aspects of his identity. If he were to stop abusing, he would have vanished in effect, at least as a narcissist. And so the narcissist teams up with the borderline. There's a love-bombing phase. The borderline starts her game of approach avoidance. She approaches the narcissist because she seeks and craves intimacy and love, and she wants to be actually engulfed. She wants to merge and diffuse, but then she terrorizes herself with her abandonment scenarios and separation narratives. And she anticipates pain and she anticipates hurt, and then she withdraws. And the avoidance stage often involves extreme behaviors which are very self-destructive and very other destructive. So I mentioned, for example, casual sex, casual and unprotected sex, substance abuse. These are extreme behaviors which are very hurtful to the partner, even if the partner is a narcissist. It causes pain within the relationship. So she starts with this repetition compulsion, approaching, avoiding. The narcissist reacts to this with abuse because he knows no better and he knows no differently. He starts to abuse her. He starts to abuse her first of all and above all to reassert control, to rein in her avoidant impulses. And when this fails, the abuse escalates. The more he abuses her, the more avoidant she becomes. Not only avoidance, but there is another mechanism that starts to operate and that's the mechanism of dissociation. The borderline faced with extreme abuse reacts by actually dissociating. She kind of breaks apart. And then she becomes very psychopathic. In a previous video I've explained that current research, recent research, begins to regard borderline personality disorder as a form of secondary psychopathy. As the abuse escalates and the approach of avoidant cycles lose their power, the borderline changes sometimes not gradually at all, switches to a psychopathic state.  She could become a psychopath for hours, for a few hours, or for a few days, for a few months. But her behaviors, her traits, her mode of thinking are utterly psychopathic. So she externalizes aggression. She loses impulse control. She becomes impulsive. She becomes reckless and hurtful. And she is more mad than sad. She also loses object constancy, totally. So when she acts against her partner, she doesn't regard him as a partner anymore. She splits. He becomes all bad. He becomes the villain. He becomes the enemy. And then when she is away from him, her lack of object constancy, her object impermanence, make her forget completely that he exists. So when she is away from him, he doesn't exist. She doesn't remember him, literally doesn't exist. Some borderlines take with them objects that belong to their loved ones in order to remind themselves of these loved ones. Object constancy in constancy, object impermanence in borderlines is very pronounced. So when she is away from him, he doesn't exist. And she can do anything and she does do anything and everything as though she has no partner.  And on top of that, we have a layer of catastrophizing. She knows what she is doing. She knows that she is hurting her partner. She knows that she is cheating. She knows that she is decompensating and acting out. She knows that she is being tricked. She knows that she is stealing the money. She knows she is misbehaving. And she anticipates punishment. One of the reasons for the misbehavior is, as I said before, self-destructiveness, self-trashing. Also the way she does things. It's very radical. So if she pinched drinks, she pinched drinks to the point of blackout. If she has sex with a stranger, it's going to be unprotected and extremely sadomasochistic and kinky. It's whatever she does, she would exaggerate and she would make sure that her partner knows about this, finds out about it. Because ultimately the borderline's goal is one, at least unconscious goal, is one and only.  That's her message. Her message to her partner is, I love you. You have power over me and you are using this power to hurt me. You are using this power to cause me pain. So I anticipate fully owing to this rejection and owing to this abuse. I anticipate fully that you're going to dump me. You're going to abandon me. And when you dump me, and if you abandon me, I will die.  And I don't want to die.  That's the core of borderline, by the way. If I had to distill all the borderline diagnosis, all the thousands of books about the disorder, millions of articles. If I had to distill the borderline's existence in a single line, it would be, I'm going to do to you what you're planning to do to me. And I'm going to do it first.


tension or boarding passengers. The Express will soon be boarding for the Trans Mountain Run to outpost five. All digging equipment, explosives, and firearms are to be checked as luggage. Track two is no longer in use and has been permanently abandoned. Alrighty, so we have an interesting theory coming out of Kings Island with the teasers that were released today at Cedar Point. So we all know now at this point that Cedar Point is releasing teasers for other parks in the Cedar Fair chain at their park. It started with Canada's Wonderland's teaser, which you just saw, which linked Adventure Express. So remember that name, Adventure Express. That clip we just played at the beginning of this video was from Adventure Express and if you were watching the screen, it links that clip to this new teaser at Cedar Point. So that's interesting. I just want to take a moment to thank Emotional underscore Roller Coasters and bwb.32 on Instagram for sending me this information my way, sending this information my way. Sorry, it is really late where I live. So I just had to make a video before going to bed. So we now have a teaser from Canada's Wonderland Worlds of Fun and now Kings Island at Cedar Point and we don't know what's next. There's obviously this extended universe of mining that Cedar Fair is building to link new attractions at the parks. So with that clip, it definitely links this whole Kings Island theory to this new teasing poster, which links Son of Beast and RMC to a possible ground up RMC to replace the long lost Son of Beast. I know this is a huge stretch, but hear me out. So in 1993, actually we'll get to the 1993 poster in a bit, but if you go to HTTP, sorry, KingsIslandExtreme.com slash KiTunes.php, track number three, that is the track you want to listen to that links you directly to this poster where it says track two is no longer in use and has been permanently abandoned. That is from, again, Adventure Express and it links this whole Cedar Creek mining company expansion plan phase one. So in this teaser, it's extremely interesting. Again, we thought this was to do with Canada's Wonderland at first due to a few things listed in there and their location. But upon further investigation, it definitely sounds like this is linked to Kings Island. So due to recent nearby discovery, it has been formally decided by Beauregard Chamberlain, sorry, Mining Operations Foreman that construction and development of the 6919 site has been approved. This additional site will be fully operation, will be fully operation immediately. Wow, that's poor English. Because of this change of plans, we are in need of stalwart men with a full understanding of geology, paleontology, mechanics, anti-rollbacks, mid-course brake systems, chain dogs, and southern yellow pine care. I definitely think the anti-rollbacks is a slight hint to RMC as well. Number five is alive that directly links Outpost Five on Son of Bea Station, which is super interesting. And excavation of raw materials in conjunction with Sycamore Mining and Minerals Co. After numerous years of searching, we have finally located the lost remnants of number five, so Outpost Five, and are formulating a plan. So they're in the formulation of a plan at the moment to bring it back into service once again. This will increase the capacity in yield from the mines. That means less work for you. So very interesting information coming out of this teaser teasing poster. So as you just see right there, after numerous years of searching, we have finally located the lost remnants of number five, Outpost Five, and we are formulating a plan to bring it back. So it's almost like they're telling you guys, the fans and us, the Cedar Fair fans, and Coaster Enthusiasts that, look, maybe we made a mistake on removing Son of Beast and not turning it into an RMC, or maybe that wasn't available at the time, I don't know. But it looks like they're finally looking into reviving that area and that coaster, maybe a ground up RMC, who knows? But it's definitely another poster that you're about to see that leads me to that. But it's very interesting that Cedar Fair is linking all these parks to a lore of these mining operations and this battle of Beauregard Chamberlain and the three bandits that built Steel Vengeance and his brother. So the whole no longer in use, Outpost Five, definitely links like this whole RMC theory, especially since Outpost Five has been seen on Son of Beast Station. Again, Kings Island is not my home park, so I apologize if I'm screwing up any information and comment down below to correct me so I know for future videos. So I'm looking at my facts here. So on this site you see Bonifield Barrel Co, Oak Strong and Iron Bound since 93, Mason Sandusky Barrels for All Occasions. That is definitely a Kings Island teaser at Cedar Point right there. And it definitely to me, Oak Strong and Iron Bound is a hint at an RMC as well. Now there's an interesting date of 1993 on there and my team and I believe BWB.32 in Discord definitely came up with, so what happened in 1993 at Kings Island? Well Top Gun was next to Son of Beast and it was added and then we have a ride removal of wild animal habitat monorail ride. It was removed and Adventure Express occupied its station area and Son of Beast took up a lot of its area as well for that ride. So it's all very interesting with all these links that are occurring on these teasers. It's a very interesting storyline.  Like are they going to revive that whole theory that a lot of Kings Island and coaster enthusiasts have been like saying for the longest time? Is it finally happening? If so that's awesome. So the next question is when? Well we know RMC takes usually about two years to build, right? And my team and amusement insiders and I have definitely discussed what is Kings Island getting their next coaster. It's definitely not 2019. 2020 is Kings Island's year. I have said it in the past and I'm going to stick to it. Kings Island is definitely getting a coaster in 2020. Why? Well Canada's Wonderland and Carolans are getting a coaster in 2019. That's taken care of. CGA is definitely getting a coaster in 2020. Cedar Point is probably getting a coaster in 2020 and Kings Island's probably getting a coaster in 2020 at this point. Three parks isn't out of the question. And to me that sounds pretty logical. What do you guys think? Again I'm trying to go over all the facts now as I have all the information written down. But it's definitely interesting that the Cedar Fair is going with this whole mining universe. So again just to go over the facts you have Adventure Express and that quick audio clip at the beginning of the video. I'll post it at the end of the video too as well. So Adventure Express is station music and voiceover. We removed the music for copyright reasons. But the voiceover is interesting because it links it directly to that teasing poster that you guys just saw. The storyline seems like it's going to be linked to some sort of mining expedition just like Canada's Wonderland which is super interesting. You have the whole Adventure Express has the theming and the in the tunnels called track is closed. And that is also linked onto the teasing poster. And the whole extended universe of mining no longer in use. Outpost 5 definitely suggesting RMC of some sort or some sort of revival in that area. You know the whole station Outpost 5. This is a theming with mining. It's extremely interesting. Are all parks going to eventually get some sort of like you know Beauregard Chamberlain like themed coaster with mining and Cedar Creek mining Co. I'm surprised a lot more people aren't covering this topic with the teasers because in my opinion these teasers that are coming out of Cedar Point are probably the biggest thing that happened to Cedar Fair in a really long time. I wish more people would cover it because I feel like more people covering it would give it you know the justice it deserves. We are just trying to understand these teasers ourselves at amusement insiders. And I have a feeling you know we're screwing up here here and there as you just saw we thought this teaser was linked to Canada's Wonderland and heavens know it's linked to Kings Island. But thank you again to Emotional Underscore Roller Coasters for this information and bwb.32. Exciting time to be a Kings Island fan and coaster enthusiast. You definitely have a great future ahead of you especially since you know it's worded as you know number five is alive and Cedar Creek mining company expansion plan phase one. So what else is next? Anyways hopefully you guys enjoyed this video hit the like button subscribe if you haven't share this video for others to see and uh yeah have a great one guys thanks for watching again bye. Abandoned.


Regarding crypto, let's check this out. What is an objective way to know if someone's investment is doing good or not, especially regarding crypto? Because sometimes we buy crypto and sell them at five times the price but we still get disappointed because we could have earned more and other times we get disappointed because we lose money from crypto. So is there an objective way to measure our success in crypto investing? The only thing I can think of is if you're you're at profit then that's what matters, thoughts. Now you can, Jason, you can replace crypto by investing in anything. Like replace the word cryptos in with comic books, with stocks, with cars, with collectible cars, like Pokemon, anything, paintings, bottle caps, like anything. So how do you know if is there an objective way to measure our success? Your success could be multiplefold. If you're buying only stocks and you're not paying attention to them, then the only value you're getting out of that is just the value of the stock. For me, if I'm buying comic books, if the value of the comic book goes up, great, I'm gaining value there. But it's not only limited to the value of the comic book. General Sifu, thank you for the following gang. Thank you for the follows. Thank you for the subs. Apologies if I'm not catching them, right? I get lost in the conversation. So for me, there's secondary and tertiary and multiple layers of pleasure return on investment that I'm getting from investing in comic books. Value going up, fantastic. I love the universe of comic books, right? So that's a benefit. I love the history of it, how it incorporates. I love reading about some of the artists learning about it, right? I love the art. I love the stories that comic books are sharing. I love the time, the state of mind that I get into when I'm reading comic books. I love, roll that out as a hobby as an investment for me, roll that out into incorporating into the content that I'm creating. So that's also a part of my work. So my investment in comic books, I'm just answering your question in a more wider kind of way. Hopefully this will give you the answer that you're looking for. My investment in comic books is layered and the benefits that I'm getting from comic books is not just this monetary gain. There's so much more to it, right? It puts me in a better state of mind so it's healthier for me. I learn about things. So how do you measure that? So it's up to you. How do you measure your objective? Like, what are you measuring? Are you just measuring the gains that you make in crypto as the only thing you're looking for? Are you invested in cryptos or certain cryptos because you support what they represent, what they're trying to roll out, right? So for example, Bitcoin, when it first started being rolled out, was a good store of value or trying to be a good store of value, was trying to be a currency, right? And a currency that provides anonymity and security, right? However, it's rolled out right now. Bitcoin is more of a collectible, a digital collectible, and we've talked about this, right? So Bitcoin is not really a currency anymore. So if your purpose in investing in something has changed over time, you have to re-evaluate your investment. For me, a while ago, I put out an article saying, Wall Street is getting into cryptos, I'm pulling out into Bitcoin, sorry, specifically Bitcoin, and I'm pulling out because I'm not interested in supporting, being a part of something that centralized power is acquiring and mutating that into taking away, it's one of main variables, right? One of its main metrics, which was for it to become a currency, right? It's more of a collectible now to a certain degree. And there's a lot of centralization happening with it. On that front, there are a lot of other cryptos that are more geared more towards being in currency, right? So, you know, I'm not answering you. I don't I don't know if I'm providing the answer you're looking for. I'm just letting you know the question you're asking me can go in any direction that you want, right? Why are you investing in crypto? And if you're investing in crypto, just to play the markets, then do what you would do with any market, right?  Lesson learned, maybe next time don't sell your full position. If you believe in the concept in this project that you're investing in, right? Maybe hold on to it, half of it, and then sell the other general rule in the markets, general rule in the markets in Wall Street. Anyway, you invest in something, it doubles sell half pull your original investment out. And if you still believe in that company, that that system, right, that you've invested in, and you think it has a future, let it ride, right? Why would you treat trading and cryptos any differently?


Hello everybody, happy Monday and welcome to another OpenShift Commons briefing. And as we like to do on Mondays, we have an AMA with one of the many upstream projects. This today is Claire, which has been associated with Quay and Project Quay as well. But we're going to get an update on that project from three of the key folks from that team, and there's Alice, and Hank, Doné, and Luis De Los Santos is going to take us through what's going on in the Claire community and give us an update on the latest release. So ask your questions in the chat. We'll have live Q&A at the end and we'll try and answer as we go as well in the chat. So feel free to ask and post questions there. So without any further ado, Luis, take it away, introduce your cohorts and tell us all about what's been going on in the Claire community. Today, Hank, Aless and I will be presenting the recent work we've been doing to rejuvenate the Claire application and its community. I am a principal engineer on Claire, along with Hank, and Alex works on EXD Cloud in the PNT organization. In this talk, we're going to go over what Claire is, why you should care about Claire, how Claire works internally, how to move from Claire v2 to Claire v4, where Claire is being used today, the v4 one roadmap, how to contribute, and then we're going to end with an ask me anything. So what is Claire, right? Claire is a set of scalable services for container security. It can be used by both developers and operations to understand any vulnerabilities that might affect your container builds. It's open source and it is community developed. So why does Claire matter, right? As most of you know, we're moving to distributing applications in containers. Before this, it's more likely that you would deploy applications on servers, right? You could use Ansible or some kind of configuration management or your application there. If you had issues, vulnerable dependencies on those deployments, the splash damage was confined. They were confined to the servers you deployed it on. Now that we're shipping containers as the default way to package and deploy applications, we're now pushing those vulnerabilities to anywhere those containers run. This should become apparent that your organization's posture around container security becomes pretty important. There's also something to be said about the recent supply chain attacks of the SolarWinds hack. Obviously, when you're moving to a centralized repository where your artifacts go for deployment, that repository can become subject to attack, as you probably are aware of if you've been following any of that. So what's new in Claire before? So previously in Claire V2, the API was layer-based. You were responsible to handle the parent-child relationship of layers. That became a little bit cumbersome. So we moved to a manifest-focused API. As you can imagine, the manifest structure itself expresses that child-parent relationship of the layers, so the client no longer needs to. It's much more intuitive to deal with that schema versus having to deal with the layer pushes yourself. Claire V4 has content addressability as a first-class citizen. I put a little star there because it plays a key role in Claire V4 and it's a concept in the rest of this talk. I was introduced to content addressability in the storage domain, rather. What it is is it's a way to have a unique identifier always associate with a unique resource. I think a good way to put that in context is a checksum of some binary data. As long as the binary bits don't change, you can be sure that that checksum identifies the data at hand. Claire utilizes this and you'll learn more about this in a couple slides. We have completely updated all the security advisory data sources that we go out to. We moved away from doing any kind of ad hoc database parsing where we can't avoid it. That would be JSON dumps or YAML dumps. We now favor Oval as the standard and we're able to move most of the database or data security sources to Oval, which is nice because we're able to create some tooling around Oval that makes parsing pretty quick on our end. We now have a native CLI tool. We no longer depend on external repositories to provide a CLI tool for Claire. We've completely rewritten the notification subsystem. We also have baked language support into the data model from the start and we currently support Python. We've also completely redesigned Claire before in a microservice architecture with an emphasis on scale and performance. This allows operators to asymmetrically scale Claire, whether it's a push heavy day or whether it's a read heavy day, those two functionalities of Claire can be scaled asymmetrically and really conform to your performance characteristics and trends. How Claire works. This is the 30,000 foot view of what Claire does. There is a container. We'll use container and manifest somewhat interchangeably. Manifest is just our JSON schema. It represents a container and Claire is broken up into three services. The indexer, the matcher, and the notifier. The indexer is responsible for taking a manifest or a container and parsing out the contents. It's typical things like packages, repositories, what distribution those containers are representing. It places these contents in a report that we dubbed the index report. The matcher, on the other hand, is responsible for generating reports of lagged content. So when the matcher gets a request saying, hey, does this manifest have any vulnerabilities affecting it? It goes to the indexer. It says, hey, do you even have an index report for this manifest? If you do, can I have it? So when it receives it, it goes to its database and just sees that there's any flagged content packages, distributions, repositories. It'll take all that flagged contents and it'll place it into an ultimate vulnerability report and return that to the client. And the notifier just hangs out down there. He watches the matcher and the indexer, and he identifies new updates that come into the system and then asks the indexer, hey, do these vulnerabilities have just entered the system? Do they affect any manifests I care about? And if they do, they'll send a notification to any subscribed clients. So let's dig into indexing a little bit deeper. Indexing is a term we use for extracting the contents of a container. Take explanation of what a container is in the context of Clare before. A container can be viewed as a content-addressable hash with layers inside that hash. It's like a container object and then layers are content-addressable as well. The 604a hash here represents a high-level manifest and the subsequent layers you see are also content-addressable. The order of the layers themselves are dependent and, again, that is expressed in our new manifest API. So how does indexing actually work? First thing that happens is Clare needs to identify if the manifest should be scanned. When Clare gets a manifest submitted to it, it's going to check, hey, have I ever seen this content-addressable identifier, right? Have I ever seen this manifest hash before? In this case, hasn't. So it goes, okay, yes, you should be scanned. Let's move to the next phase. Next, it determines what layers it needs to actually scan. I express a common case here in that the base layer might have been seen a million times by Clare, right? This might be a UBI8 base layer. So it says, hey, I don't need to scan this. I already saw this. But the subsequent layers it has never seen before. So it's going to mark those as, yes, we need to scan these. I have no content available for this. When it actually goes to perform the scan, the base layer is simply just retrieved from the database. Any content we know about it is not, there's no work performed. It is just a get from the database. The subsequent layers are actually scanned. This is the process of going to fetch the layers, decompressing them, looking for package databases, identifying the characteristics of the individual layers. Finally, it coalesces all those results into a final index report. And it saves that. So now the next time it comes around, if it sees that, okay, the 604AC index manifest hash, if it sees it again, it's going to say, okay, yes, I have this data. We have already scanned this. By looking at the manifest hash, it can already know I scanned all those layers, right? Because if the layers changed, the manifest hash would change. Cool. So for the matching part, I'm actually going to hand it over to Hank, who's going to demonstrate this further. Hank, just give me a small cue when you want me to change the slides. We'll do. Okay, yeah. So now that we've got this index of what's in these contents and its content addressed, obviously, when, obviously, we don't need to redo the work because it won't change. But what does change over time is the vulnerabilities. There are new vulnerabilities discovered all the time. So that in this matching process is handling this more rapidly changing data or the data that changes it all. Yeah, so next slide. So the matching bit has two parts to it, the matchers and the updaters. The updaters feed data into the system and the matchers use the data, the updaters provide and sort of turn into our common format. Next slide. The matchers take this index report and all of them in parallel examine the index report for the sorts of data they know about. So here in this example, we have bits of code all at the same time, looking for REL packages, another one looking for Ubuntu packages, another looking for Alpine packages. Most of these won't find anything. And the ones that do return their results and we combine all of them together and return the matcher. Doing it this or return the report. Doing it this way means we can just sort of additively add bits to look at new parts. So for example, our language support is implemented as a box on this second row here and any sort of OS just automatically gains that support because of doing it this way. And these are all then fed and kept under the same hash as the index report. So we gain the same sort of content addressability benefits there. Next slide, please. And Updaters. Updaters just on whatever interval an operator has it configured for. Sort of check if there's a new version of the data source they care about. And if it is, such as it parses it, loads it into the database for you. And then any new matching requests will use that version of the data. We know internally whether a matcher has been run against the latest version that's in the database or previous version. And if it's not run against the latest one, it'll run again and save the results for you. So even if these Updaters are run on a staggered interval, you'll always have the latest version of the results and you won't redo the work that you've already done. So next slide onto notifications. And like I was saying, because we sort of keep track of the versions of the security databases or when we update them, we can internally figure out what's been added or removed and then work backwards to figure out which manifests we've seen that were affected by what's been added. So the Notifier effectively diffs these two versions of the database, discovers the vulnerabilities and then looks at the manifests and then does some sort of configurable action to issue notifications, whether that's issue a webhook or push it out to a message broker like AMQP or Stomp or something like that. Next slide, I believe is... Oh, sorry, I skipped over a whole bunch of topics without viewing slide changes. Here we go, moving from Clare v2 to Clare v4. So Clare v2 is the most widely used version out in the wild. That's what powers quay.io. So in the process of building the new version, we ended up actually rewriting just about everything. So the API is completely different. Again, it's manifest driven, not sort of layer stitching and all of our internal data is completely different. So you do have to resubmit images to Clare, but it should be faster. So a little initial pain and some win on the back end. And now I'm going to hand it off to Alash. Okay, hello everyone. My name is Alash and I will tell you something about how we use and release Clare at Red Hat. Next slide, please. So as you might know, and you already heard, Clare is an open source project for container security scanning. But it's also part of Red Hat Quay product. Red Hat Quay is a container registry for the enterprise that brings solution for storing and building container images. And since the security point of view is essential part of for the container workflow, Quay has integration with Clare. And it provides information about vulnerable content in both user interface and the API. So, if you either build or push container into Quay registry, Clare in the background, index the image and produce index and vulnerability report, as was described earlier. Those reports are visible in the user interface and the user can check whether their container is vulnerable and whether they need to rebuild the container to update the latest version. In the previous version of Quay, Clare v2 was used up until Quay v3.3, where Clare version 4 was available as a tech preview and it becomes default container security tool moving forward. So, in Clare version 4, version 4 is released as a GA in Quay 3.4 and Clare version 2 is deprecated. Clare is also available in a public instance of Quay, which is known as Quay.io and Clare version 4 will be used as a default scanner at the end of March 2021. Next slide, please. And Red Hat not only releases Clare and offers it to customers, but we also use it internally and we are integrating it in our container release pipeline. This means that every image that is produced by Red Hat or as we partner is scanned using Clare security scanning tool. And the release process is driven by the results. So, if we discover vulnerability in the report, we don't ship the container and instead we rebuild the container because we don't want to ship content that is vulnerable to customers. Container security information is also publicly available in Red Hat container ecosystem catalog and it's represented by so-called freshman's grade, which is simplified and graphical representation of container security score. It's a scale from A to F. Previously, in Red Hat we used the custom solution for container scanning, but since it was completely internal and we didn't have, our customers didn't have a way of to reproduce our grades. In 2019, we replaced the custom solution with unofficial version, Clare version 3. And last year, in October 2020, we upgraded to the current latest version of Clare, Clare version 4. Our instance of Clare is deployed in OpenShift cluster on the production scale as three separate services, one service for indexer, one for matcher and one for notifier. That allows us to easily scale up or scale down those services based on the load. In the past three years, Red Hat built over 1 million of images and currently in our production database, Clare version 4 indexed over 400,000 of them. Okay, now let's hand it over back to Lois. So let's go over what we expect from Clare V 401. Clare before hit GA a couple of weeks ago. So this is a roadmap for the next minor version. We'd like to expand on language support quite a bit. I believe there are some plans already for Java, which are going to make its way in via another collaboration with code ready containers. We'd like to address Golang and definitely get some JavaScript, the NodeMPM ecosystem in there. Hank is currently plugging away vigorously on a Kubernetes operator, which should just make the deployment of Clare and the various architectures that you can deploy Clare in pretty trivial to set up. We're going to put an emphasis on performance and scale analysis. So we really want to know, you know, how well Clare scales in the event of excess traffic, trendy and bursty traffic. So we'll be putting a lot of effort into that. And then just general reliability efforts, things like making sure database connections don't flood, you know, the downstream database and making sure we really push the right errors forward so clients can react to the various states of Clare. So for contributions, we're going to begin community development meetings at a bi-weekly cadence starting in March. I will have a link to those meetings in a subsequent email burst along with a mailing list blast and other ways that we go about disseminating that information. There's a quick link to our mailing list. I would go follow this. If you are interested in community development or further OpenShift briefing meetings, we'll definitely be posting there. We'll also be placing a lot of information in the repository, which is Quay Clare. The discussions area of that will be placing a lot of information about how to interact with the community moving forward. And then, yeah, there's just a couple of contacts here. And if you need to reach out to us, these are our emails and then there's a general Quay email. So that kind of wraps it up. I hope that was informative, built you in on the work we've been doing on Quay before. Well, thank you very much guys for joining today. I'm wondering, Hank, if you have, and if there's a repo for the Kubernetes operator, if there's an ETA for that, and if there's, if you need people to test that from the community? Not yet. I'm still, it's still in like half broken building phase. When you get ready for that, let me know. There's a lot of folks and that we can reach out to and get them to test that for you on different platforms and different, you know. Yeah, we will do our ultimate goal is to make it sort of seamless into the Clare operator. So if you solve the, yeah, the, yeah, sorry, Quay operator, the Quay operator, it pulls it in sort of transparently behind the scenes and get all the sort of scalability benefits of something that understands Clare's workload. But it just comes along for free with your container registry. And Louis, you were talking about performance and scale analysis and, and trying to get some better, a better grip around, you know, how, how Clare was doing out there in the wild. If there's folks out there who want to work with you on that or give you feedback on that, what's the best place that, is it that Clare mailing list to reach out to folks to do that? Yeah, definitely. I mean, that would, that would be really great. If it does peak anyone's interest, they can definitely contact us in a couple places, definitely posting anything on the mailing list. We'll get our attention to help issues or get help discussions. We'll get our attention pretty immediately or just shoot us an email and, you know, we'll take a look at that. But yeah, there's a couple options right now. All of them should be pretty viable. I know that the use of it in-house. Alice referenced the a million images scanned inside of Red Hat or we have created a million. I think we've created more than that. But personally, I think I might have made a whole bunch of messy images that should be scanned. But that's growing to other organizations that can can utilize performance and analysis metrics and give us feedback. Is there any telemetry being added into Clare or anything like that to collect that from outside external? Yeah, I think Clare is capable to send the metrics into Jagger. It's like building a feature. And of course, things like making logs available in the system that can easily make a dashboard out of it. For example, in our use case, we use Elkstack together with Kafka. So we are able to see some metrics directly in Kibana dashboard. Okay. And I'm going to read out one of the questions. I know you answered it in the chat, but I'm going to read it out for people who might be watching the video here later. Will the expanded language support for Java, et cetera, include sources outside of Red Hat, i.e. Maven Central, or will it be primarily focused on libraries that Red Hat supports? And Louis, you had a nice answer to that. Yeah, definitely. So Clare takes an open source approach to begin with. So all the data that we collect are independently upstream managed. And the reason we do that is because the most accurate data is the source of the data, right? So we go out to, you know, pulp manifests for Red Hat data. We'll go out to the Ubuntu security tracker for Ubuntu data. We are pretty adamant on not using quote, unquote, close sourced or aggregated data. We really do want to keep a consistency and a level of accuracy by going to the sources. So the long-winded way of answering your question, definitely we will go out to, you know, Maven Central or any of the official sources that we can find as long as we can grab the data in an open source way. Any kind of close source data sources, we have to open up to more of a discussion around how that could work. But we haven't had that happen yet. Yeah, I know for me it's always annoying to find a piece of software that looks like it does exactly what I want only to find out that there's some sort of hurdle in the way and you need to go get a key, plug it in and use it. That's not to say we don't want to be able to do that, but we want to make sure everything we ship by default works. All the data is there. All the checkboxes in our Readme you can go do without having to go sign up for another search. And there's one more question in the chat and this probably top of mind for a few folks. How would you define the relationship between Claire and Stack Rocks? Are they mutually beneficial or is one a superset or subset of the other? We just had the Cube-Linter folks on last week, I think, so it's probably topical. Yeah, so I can talk about what I know so far. I know that there's no official talks of how the teams will work together, but they utilize Claire V2. So we've already started discussing at a high level what Claire V4 can offer them. And I imagine that they'll be a pretty tight collaboration in the future as long as, you know, it's a little bit above my pay grade to determine those things. But as far as I can tell, they utilize Claire as a product and they would be interested in Claire V4, so we should see more of a merging than any kind of separation or a schism between the products. And I think that they would fall in line pretty well since the underlying technology they use for at least the scanning portion of their product is the same. So it works out pretty well. There's another relationship where we can get more performance and scalability from people using that. And so there's another whole chunk of the ecosystem, plus more engineering resources coming hopefully our way to work on this. And so that that's always, always, always a good thing. So, yeah, that's the most exciting part. That's always the most exciting part. One other earlier question that I just wanted to get a read out on to for anyone who's watching this and not in the chat was. Yeah, definitely. So we support remote matching, which is when in the process of looking at the data that the matcher service received from an index report, not to get too technical in terminology, but it can take a look at those contents. And then instead of looking at its own internal database, it can go out to an API. So anyone can go and write an API in any language you'd like. If you do want native matching support, obviously there's some advantages there. You will have to write it in go at this time, and it will need to reside in the player repository at this time. We are working on on a possibly allowing X out of tree matches so matches that live in other repositories. But yeah, if you are interested in in the cross platform, looking into our remote matching might be applicable to you. Right. Well, I don't see any other questions in the chat. You said you might have a little demo to give us if you're up for that. Well, and that would be great for those of you who haven't played with Claire. Let's try that for half a Iota of a second. There we go. Okay, cool. Yeah, so what I have here is. Pause pause for one more second. There's one more question. Will Claire V for be pushed to the container security operator and if so when. So, as I understand it, the container security operator is written against ways API. So it depends on having quay and the latest version of quay. Ships with Claire V for as it's sort of security back end. Thanks. All right.  So what I have here is a local Claire environment. You can do this today. If you want to, you can go and pull the Claire repository. And do this command make local dev up just make sure you have the necessary dependencies. We won't go into that right now. It involves Docker compose, but you can just look at the repository for that. And what it does is it sets up quay and Claire locally on your machine. Quay lives at local host 8080. So what we can do is we can go over here. I've already logged in. I created an admin account and I created this organization clear before org. When you're utilizing the local environment, you can use pod man as far as logging in and pushing an image to the local container or the local repository. You'll want to specify this TLS verified false because it's a local environment. We just didn't bother to wire in SSL. It just kind of gets in the way. So what we can do is a login. And that's at port 8080. So this will log into the quay instance that is running here. And I have a container. It's just you bun two latest and we can go ahead and we can push that. You'll notice that you'll have to tag images with the local host 8080. And then we can go ahead and push that to the local quay instance. Not at me about. Okay, just got barked at me for a bit, but it looks like the push is successful now. So we'll go over here repository called testing. If you go to this tag area, you'll see that we have successfully scan. Let me make this bigger. I'm sure it's quite small right now. This was the image we just pushed and then Claire was able to scan it. You can go and you can dig into the security information via this gooey. Yeah, so if you'd like, we can just give you a quick overview of what Claire actually did. Yeah, well, well, Lewis pulls this up. Like, again, one of the cool things is because everything is driven off of this content address ability here. Because Claire did the work of scanning this, this base image once any new container that shows up only the new layers need to get analyzed, which makes it a bit snappier. Yep, nice things pretty quick. So, if we just stand through the logs right here, you know, you have to be acquainted with the application a little bit to understand, but the indexer is really going and it is. It's doing an analysis on the layer, right? We didn't find an OS release file. Okay, so we couldn't identify it. So the match identified for the AWS distribution. Oh, okay. I can't find an OS release files. I'm just going to continue. So, yeah, these will be the indexer itself is doing this. It's grabbing the layers. It's identifying any items that can then it's storing. And then it's storing the index report and then the clear match. It's really just going ahead and it's it's issuing these these matching. So, as you can see, it's a Ubuntu image is found that is 92 are interested. This corresponds to in the talk, Hank mentioned that, you know, most of the matches aren't going to care, right? Because it's not like you're pushing a some kind of hybrid between an oracle and a photon container. So it's nice because even though we're kind of fanning out, we're not really doing a lot of work. Only one of the matches actually wind up doing work in the common case. So this is the the match are basically evaluating the pushed content. So this process will return a vulnerability report and then that vulnerability port is pretty much just parsed by quay and presented here. So, yeah, you can do all this right now. If you wanted to go and pull the clear repository and play around with it. Again, you will just basically go and run. Yeah, you would just go and run this and that will deploy a quay instance at local host 8080. If you have any troubles with that, you know, just, just we've been doing a new thing where if you have like quick quick support questions, drop them on discussions. Q&A on GitHub. And that seems to work pretty well. We can mark things as like, yes, this is the correct answer. But it's been a nice place to put anything really support. It should not serve. It's a bug, right? You should put something there. We'll triage it. We'll work with you to understand, you know, why your environment might not be working. But yeah, that's clear before. Hope you'd like to demo. Love the demo. How about if you can throw up the resources slide one last time so we end up that people know where to find you again. And I don't know if anyone else who's on the call, if there's anything we missed Daniel or Bill or anyone else that we should have covered. I think you did a great job here guys. And so I'm looking to see if there's any other questions coming in from chat, but I think we're, we're good. I think we're going to have to get a bunch of folks hopefully listening to this out there in the universe to come to the community development meetings starting soon. And we will post this video up there along with the slides if you share them with me and weed it out. And as always, great stuff from the Claire team. And we're really grateful for all the work that you guys do. So thanks for coming today and sharing all of this with us. All right, take care guys.