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You know the new Has been pretty quiet lately and all that you know So who wants to kick this off? I'll the floor is open to anybody who wants to just run with it because some of the pictures has been pretty wild week Well, I'm happy to jump in on that You know as as we just about started this we found out about an hour ago that Joe Biden officially Declared was declared the winner by the media as the president of the United States It's I tweeted this out right before we started But this is like absolutely hilarious to me and it's and I know people like they don't get it because they still for whatever reason Even people who know the media has been lying For the last four years they still get themselves and like their panties in a twist when they hear this They are so backed into a corner right now They know they know that we have so much evidence on them of committing fraud from manipulating early vote totals and computers from of course printing out fake ballots and Stuff in the ballot boxes afterwards From registering it dead people from voting for dead people on the rolls I mean the amount of fraud is so Unbelievably overwhelming and so they're in the they're in their last position right here, which is that you know It's all chips and on a bluff They don't have any cards They're just gonna say all right Well, you know we're gonna win this and they're gonna hope that they can use the public intimidation the purpose of them doing this right now is To try to have the public believe That Biden won and then they can justify Sending their brown shirts out under the streets to harass and terrorize things They're probably gonna try to take down the power grid at some took point in the lap next week or so But none of that stuff fucking matters because in the meantime You have the evidence going to the Supreme Court and you have an enormous case being built So I you know you guys know you've been seeing me the last couple days here I'm I'm really just blown away by How weak so many people in the Manisphere are mentally just completely weak And they cannot handle the fact that something that was entirely predictable is Happening Can't handle the moment Yeah, I gotta say that I love your show man. You took Carlson my favorite shows to watch Called the Pat Stebbins show Yeah Michael Steve you want some opening comments on what you've seen over the past couple days in American politics? Sure Pat and I are Very much on the same page here. I've been watching folks just roll over and I'm like a course You're gonna say they won they're gonna do that as cover for everything They need to suppress you to break you down to think that we're not winning But the reality is what happened is Trump won in a landslide and he had so many votes That they didn't cheat well enough and that's why they had to pause the votes because they had to like figure out like how in the world Are we gonna still win because Trump had so much going for him that they had to? Think on their feet and they're doing a terrible job, right there. They're gonna get caught they're leaving footprints everywhere and It's crazy. We've got all sorts of whistleblowers coming out saying yeah, they're telling us to you know date these ballots And there you've got how many votes where it's just Biden and they're not voting anyone down ticket They're gonna be able to uncover this stuff and this is What Donald Trump is made for I don't know. Yes, he's made for political drama He's made for lawsuits and he can't be ashamed and that's the thing Even though I don't agree with a lot of Donald Trump's morality They the thing about him that makes him so there's a lot of things that make him powerful for right now But these guys that try to silence you by shaming you that doesn't work on Donald Trump and that's exactly how they've silenced the Republicans in the past and So Donald Trump's like yeah, that's who I am He just keeps on going and I've had people trying to shame me Oh, so you're gonna vote for a guy, you know, would you want your daughter to marry Donald Trump? Like I would want my daughter to marry someone with his level of masculinity But I'd want him to be more moral, but no, what does it have to do with anything? This is the party that wants to shut down the economy. This is the party that wants to shut down Churches and say they're Unessential this is the party that wants to de-platform everyone that disagrees with them This is the party that wants to Take your kids away from you via CPS let them be raped in the foster care system I mean intense abuse and then when that kid has issues and says hey, I think I'm a chick I you know, let him have his genitals was surgically removed and give an estrogen. No, I don't want these people power They're terrible terrible people And and we're seeing them terrible by trying to steal the election Trump is standing against that So whatever you want to say about his economic policy or this policy or that he is one of the few things between us and people that are absolutely insane and so thankfully he'll stand his ground he won't be shamed into silence and We should have more of that fight in spirit, but people people are used to getting their butts kicked They're used to being losers and you just see it online like oh, it's over like Because CBS says what are you watching CBS? Who cares about CBS man?  They have a pussy.  You know what I mean? The beta runs deep with these guys these guys trump is They they've got a weird relationship with them like they look up to him because he's who they want to be But they also resent him for that reason And and so these guys are so used to losing and these guys are so used to being agreeable This is the whole nice guy thing and like well, is this go on with it like no no That's not how you win in life and business or anything Like you pivot you find a way to make it work with these guys Are always thinking through just their agreeableness that they'll be given the things they want That's not how it works. You take it. It's a fight. It's dominion. That's how business works That's how life works and these guys are incredibly weak and there's just they have like Pat's been saying they have zero frame They're just breaking and freaking out.  I'm going to still win You know, but those are my my opening thoughts Good, let's move to steve brulee steve. Uh, you're canadian. You're not american But I think you love freedom and the west very much. What are your thoughts on the attempted communist takeover of the united states? Not the question too much well, this is the topic of of my Speech or lecture talk at the 21 convention in fact leading up to exactly this what my concerns about Uh, democrats winning are laid out there and that this is part of the Overall drive for a one-world government which will be communistic and which will be dominated by radical feminism So and there's a lot of things to be concerned about in that And what one of the things that that strikes me right away is about this election is that what whether or not this these lawsuits succeed in revealing voter fraud And to overturning this uh to a and or at least coming out a a fair election What we're seeing is that despite the democratic party lying through their teeth manipulating like crazy supporting lawlessness undermining the police in in in their efforts to maintain the peace In spite of them supporting black lives matter and antifa riots The absolute burning of courthouses and public places destruction of your history the lying about history in the 16 19 project The tearing down of your monuments across the country in spite of all of this absolutely insane lawless crap A significant portion of the people still vote for biden and the democrats and they're behind it You've got well. Thank you. You've got a big problem there But there's a couple of other points. I just want to throw out for for discussion this happened this started Before the last election in 2016 and there's a fellow. I think his name is robert eppstein A a statistics professor or something like this. I get I put the link in the private chat. You can have a look at it Excuse me But he predicted and using mathematical statistical models that fifth the google's ability to persuade the vote by lying by search engine Basically lying using their search engine bias Can swing 15 million votes Excuse me. I don't want to cough straight into the live Sorry, I pulled up the article Yes, this is well worth reading. This is not this is not flaky stuff This is solid scientific analysis and it's being ignored by the left, of course But google is everybody knows this of course. It's no secret all of big tech is pushing for one world government And that's why they're behind the democrats They wanted one world government for reasons that I touched on in that in that presentation The other thing that comes to mind is that COVID-19 now I don't know about the viewers or the or this audience or what you think on this, but this is a scam The COVID-19 is a scam. It is the uh, a very weak virus that happens to have a very, uh, a very targeted group of vulnerable people who are elderly with multiple, uh comorbidities but This has been propped up to such an enormous degree creating massive fear with such great success It's incredible and this fear Of being affected by COVID-19 was used to justify ramping up The mail-in ballot scheme And in new jersey, they tried to have all mail-in ballots 100 and several other states tried this same thing Even in spite of the fact that they were called out and proven that the mail-in system was used to Fraudulently influence previous elections in new jersey is an example in paterson itself In a small election just for some judges, but there's other examples across the board Also a point of note in 1864 the democrats tried an elaborate scam Using mail-in ballots to prevent Lincoln from being re-elected So there's a lot a lot to be concerned about here. So we have to encourage the Uh, the the lawsuits to go forward and for the the truth to come out And then we're all going to have to live with the truth I'm not convinced. We're going to get the truth out. That's my biggest concern And that's because the democrat party is the party of liars cheats and thieves There's no way around that. It's a party of liars cheats and thieves. There's still the establishment too I mean, they've been their their wing of politics has been has been going off the rails for decades And they can still control all the media is filled with the hard democrats more or less All of it even fox news, you know turned They were kind of Leaning this way in general, but it wasn't until election night all of a sudden that they really did a hard turn Well, I want to just throw one thing out Sorry, just just one last point. It's a very short point The presumption the point of view of a democrat is results So it doesn't matter to them the end justifies the means it's the opposite with republicans republicans have a a an ethic of personal responsibility and that prohibits you from going that kind of ethic Prohibit somebody internally from going down the road of the end justifies the means and this is a Fundamentally different world view that we're dealing with Yep, I ran talked a lot about this. Yeah, she railed on it pat michael. You guys have some comments Yeah, yeah, so a couple things. So first just with fox news fox news has been subverted for a long time um You know, I'm searching basically control opposition. I mean there's a lot of stuff about murdox children and their wives and sort of You know that the the management of the organization has been Gradually going this direction for a while There are a couple of commentators, you know people like tucker carlson, of course Lou doves shonhandy Who are not? Um, I guess because they have big enough platforms They've been able to resist but you guys remember a couple years ago They were trying to get carlson off the air and the only thing that's really kept them on is that he's so popular That they were trying. Yep. They try all the time to try to get rid of them. So The organization's been compromised for a while and it makes perfect sense that they would use fox To do it because everything that they're doing is demoralization campaigns. That's it. That's all all this stuff That's that's their objective. They they know they can't win it through anything unless we give up If we actually hold the line and if we You know have some will Then they're not gonna they're screwed. They're absolutely screwed.   Do you have any idea what's going on right now? Like even if it just has nothing even to do with tax policy even though body will raise your taxes That's not the issue here.  Where do you think what do you think happens in the midterms? You don't think you're gonna just do that in every single election You don't think they're gonna just pack the courts if a sitting us president can be removed through a legitimately fraudulent election There's nothing there's no there's nothing to stop them in the future. Of course. Yeah, like they're gonna steal in 2022 They'll steal in 2024.    There's not going to be any arrests If you like tamper with like a couple ballots, you'll get sent to prison for 20 years Like this is I mean I think we can debate about the details of you know, how much How much stuff was like baited beforehand? And you know, what are the methods of of which, you know, the things were baited To what degree was this a very intentional sting operation versus something that they were expected to do And traps were set we can debate about that, but it doesn't matter the enormous amount of Of fraud that's been committed and that's provably committed I mean these underlings these who who have been sent to do a lot of the manual work They're going to flip when they realize that you're going to go to prison for life For this and they're going to be like, oh no, this guy told me to do it. It's like, all right You're just coping pat. You're just coping. Hey, we gotta we got a pause here. We got to bring in the sultan Welcome the sultan of silver How you doing sir? Hey there beautiful beard George, uh, you want some opening and opening a monologue here for how you What your experience has been with the american political system past couple days? What are your what are your thoughts on that? How's your experience been pretty good feelings? Facts don't care about my feelings.    He doesn't know how to lose At all. I have zero worries. This man is not going down. He will take this to the supreme court I hope he takes it. I hope because whatever it takes to stay in office to be honest He's good to the day Yeah, I I believe that I do not believe like for instance, new york post what yesterday a downcast trump Spicks to the media.  Stop it He's not downcast.  He doesn't politicians play There's only two options with politicians and that's win or lose Okay, he's not a politician. Okay. He's not done draining the swamp I think he's got to get over this hump Which he doesn't view it as a problem. He views it as a challenge this and that's what all positive people do They don't call their problems problems.  I guarantee you he's not losing sleep over this.  So if you if you see him at the podium going well Uh, we're gonna take this as far as we can. I do believe uh, pennsylvania and uh, wisconsin are like you think that's a depressed trump You're used to the rally trump this guy This guy is so far ahead of any pundits so far ahead I will be completely surprised if he has to leave the white house Completely surprised. I honestly believe he's going to be there another four years and I think as men what my experience is every woman in my life Is flipping out right now friends Yeah, every every single woman is panicking right now And what we can do as men to say relax, babe You know, this is it's going to be okay She is looking at you And i'm not saying you guys i'm saying I'm speaking to men She is looking at you as a man and watching you react like a little bitch And then she's She's getting nervous and anxious because You're all pulsing out And i'm really sick and tired of that because I did a video last uh monday called uh reacting to the election Is feminine And that I encourage everyone to respond and not react And of course I probably lost about 200 subscribers with just that video alone and that's fine because the house cleans itself um I think if we remain Uh Strong as patriots listen, we've been promoting maga for four years maga's not going away The patriots patriots are in control And there's a lot more going on than Then what we see That's what I think of what's going on the past couple days Thanks, george I have two things I'd like to say I got two quotes for you guys These are the two issues that I think we have to For the red man group. These are the things that we got a red pill people on so the first one is from psalm 55 Mrs. Uh says uh his speech was smoother than butter But his heart was war his words were softer than oil yet. They were drawn swords This is hard for people to realize that people that are smooth Are often tricking you that these guys that you have to look beyond the words And to what's their intentions and what they're working at and they're and that's really hard Uh in particular for evangelicals evangelicals are so naive and they take people at face value Which makes no sense given our theology where we believe people are born sinful Um, I could get I could understand that coming from other worlds used but not from that one But anyone that's been around knows that uh people don't like someone's going to rob you They don't say hey, I'm going to rob your house when you leave tonight. That's not how it works I mean people they conceal their speech. So we have to look beyond their speech Trump understands that Because he's lived in the world of business and that's how it is in business So one we have to help people see that the media is lying And that you have to like actually look beyond the words and not fall for smooth Flattering words and the other one is from a really good political Comment commentator victor david hanson And he said that if the left wins this election, they're not going to be magnet nanomous Right, he says they're going to want to hunt us out and eradicate their opponents That's what cultural revolutions always do and they'll do it again Like that's what's up. These people are like acting all nice and acting like we're the bad guys, right?  We're going to see a mass canceling. Trump is the one That's keeping these guys in check right now because they know that They if they start canceling lots of people, especially big names that it's going to get him all revved up So this these are the things that we have to open people's eyes up to Yeah, they're exactly what this this crazy chick's talking about Coming out after us. Is this are you going to surrender to these people? Let's be more specific too. She was there's another link around her twitter and it was getting promoted around elsewhere They're building they're building a huge list of trump supporters to go after that's right. They did jump from america It was huge. They had before they put they They worried us about this when they started the cancel culture in general So this should come as no surprise this this has been growing for 10 years in our culture and it's been growing from these very people This idea that you have to shut down and cancel people who disagree with you That's exactly what they're doing and it does these things all have a trajectory They have a momentum about them right like you were said you were referring to michael That they don't they get to one point you think okay. Well, it won't get any worse. No, they have a momentum They're going to keep going in that direction and the the end point of that direction is not just to silence you kick your own society It's to take away your life You know, that's the end point of these kinds of authoritarian totalitarian movement Yeah, the end point is they either want you to a Think and act exactly like them like a zombie not a sheep so much as a zombie Like if you don't think like them then you have to die that's where this is going It's you have to they want to control they don't want to just control your life And what you say they want to control what you think they literally want to control your internal thought process It's insane. It is super orwellian and super dangerous. It's exactly like the ussr and nazi germany It's a spiritual warfare They want us to worship the government And so all of us here fall different places, but we all will agree We're not worshiping the government as god Right, that's not happening and that's what they want to do And the opportunity that we need to see this is a chance to wake people up. It's it's in their face. This is a chance To not be the guy like see I told you, you know, that's not that's not this time The time is like this is what we've been talking about. Do you see it now? And then we can like motivate so The good part of maga is people that don't buy into liberal narratives anymore We can add to that number Right now because they're so sloppy and they're in our in our face and if we just keep staying strong People are attracted to strength people are looking You got to be the alpha that betas Go around we got to give them shade. We have to help lead them and and with the hopes unlike some of our Critics who want to keep them weak? We want to move them from being that weak man to being a stronger man This is a chance to give those guys the guts that they're lacking Yeah, and you see the same phenomenon I think in the manuscript that you see right now in the wider not the wider but the Republican party and all these dudes right the rhinos versus like hardcore people the magas and whatever The manuscript is kind of the same thing You see guys who kind of larp masculinity that roleplay this stuff And I know some of these guys in real life and they're just total frauds like total fix And uh, it's it's super but Online there's other guys too that are much more masculine that I know in real life too like you guys And there's a big difference in those two. There's real integrity versus like this fake front Yeah, so seeing it in the the gop right now in the public and party is pretty interesting to watch It's the same dynamic playing at the same battle It's like these these fakes and these phonies and these frauds and these rhinos And then people who are actual patriots and actually believe in limited government Actually love the founder and the founding fathers And they're not just they're not just giving lip service to it on occasion or it is all right denying it They really believe in it and the manuscript the same thing with masculinity That's guys who really believe in masculinity and really believe in you know Reality really care about the truth versus people who would just roleplay this stuff and try to bully people around with it Truth with a capital T.  I mean I'm down with that too But yeah, it's a war of words and a war of minds right now It's a it's a whole maga knows what's going on Maga is bigger than trump That's true. It's much bigger than trump But the and my concern about that though. Hang on is that It will never have a chance in the future if trump loses this election This is massive like if you can steal the maga. He's definitely the maga king We could call him that right Psychologically and the founder of it in the modern form Even though it was said by clinton and reagan and stuff If you can remove a sitting president through legitimate election fraud and a general election That's a banana republic. We don't live we no longer live in anything resembling a constitutional republic at that point At that and which point I think you need to defend the country from domestic enemies. That's where this is heading at the end of the day Yeah, I'd like to say also. I don't think that they're They don't they know they're not going to win this their hope is just to turn it into some sort of civil conflict And that delegitimizes trump's presidency because they know trump's not going to give it up And they know that if he doesn't get give it up, especially because he controls republicans have the Strong majority on the courts. They know they're not going to win this stuff But the point is to create as much confusion As possible that it seems like trump doesn't have a mandate.  They don't understand the enemy They keep saying like oh, it's going to be fine.  It doesn't work that way They don't even believe it themselves They're just hoping that if they can create enough conflict here Then china is going to have massive massive advantages. Like you'll probably see them attack taiwan The because the us is going to be basically distracted in some low-scale civil war situation But I want to emphasize this over and over again. Trump has the evidence. He has the control and support of the military he has the courts And he has the majority of the population Overwhelming majority if you actually get into the details of how he won the selection like the popular vote margins that existed prior to fraud Yep And it's and it's the heavily armed part of the population Okay, so wherever this goes like people it's it's it's completely psychological It's that is the only advantage that they have is they have the propaganda outpieces mouthpieces and they have social media It's the same thing to add to that pat too You can tell that even the gop knows this and I'll give you a little bit of evidence is donald jr He only had to put out one tweet to say where's the gop? Where are these guys at? Where's the 2024 You know president and and people react it right? Lindsey Graham gives them half a million these guys know this is not over These guys know that because those those folks They like trump as long as he's useful and if they could be done with them they'd be done with them But if that's their attitude and donald trump jr. Just pushes a little bit and that gets them to jump They know that he's at the very least still in it And folks should be looking at this like folks Folks that are in the know watch how they behave forget their words This is like, you know, this is one of the things we talk about in the manasphere You know look at actions the actions like that's what we're doing like they're sending all these people onto the Street to celebrate This is a really good point. Look at the media.    It's on amazon. It's on netflix It's probably on demand on your cable the one scene where everyone's Eating lunch and they're facing a screen Uh Where they're being indoctrinated and one guy has a bowl of soup or stew And he says there's not a piece of meat in this stew And then he got pressured Everyone looked at him and he said boy, this stew is good You know what I mean? Like like he just changed his mind like that quick because of pressure Everything that you see now everything that you hear now 100% is a sigh up Everything everything in europe right now In poland That's my reference There are people freaking out And I am the link to sanity right now When people from poland are reaching out to me and saying is it as bad as we're hearing and i'm like well What are you hearing and they think it's just You know and I said you have to stop listening to your news outlets You have to stop pass that on to your friends what your hearing is not true It's not true at all I am not I am not listen if you keep saying literally if you keep saying two plus two equals five if you say it long Enough there are people who will believe two plus two equals five if we keep hearing biden one biden one biden one There are people that are just going to say oh biden one Yeah, you know what which means there'll be a revolution of on the streets When if the courts overturn the victory the so-called victory Which I do want to take a point is that we don't really know yet who won so It's unfortunate, but we're probably going to be sitting through a couple of months even Of these for all of this stuff to go through the courts and if there's if there's a recount that will slow things down And maybe multiple recounts there might have to be I don't know they might have to be another election Though it's never happened before it's not off the table. Nothing is really off the table But what concerns me more is that even if trump trump is successful in proving the fraud And reverses the results and is Remains president. We still have a huge problem And it's the same problem that we had before the election That they're these elites are going to continue to press forward with the one world government one day I think they will win that one world government. We have to be prepared for that day I don't think they're going to win because I think a civil war will happen before that The civil war won't stop the one world government. I think it will Yeah Yeah, if they don't take if they don't take america, they're not going to be able to pull it off The thing is it's not there's no way the the world one world government the new world order is done Like that's not happening because there's we've already hit a critical mass Of consciousness if trump's not going to concede the election So even if let's just say that something happens on the supreme court This is not what's going to occur But let's just even hypothesize for a second that the supreme court rules in biden's favor Trump's not going to and supreme court drops a thing trump's not gonna Going to back down and he'll he'll mobilize the population We will have a civil war In the country and the military will will support it as well It's a possibility, but that still is not going to stop these globalists. These globalists are enormously powerful Steve I respectfully disagree they do not have much power anymore. They are in a really really bad situation They're They they have been put on the back foot Over the last four years and this is like their last card that they can play They're trying to steal an election because they have already lost The mandate of the population people are aware of them all over I I hope you're right I I'm not convinced because these people have been at it for a very long time in fact The the the push towards a world emperor has has been with humanity since we settled in villages It started to create a garden And and it's been a big push since world war two all of these globalist institutions are there they they They mirror nation national institutions in the globe already the infrastructure just to pull them together Yeah, let me I'll give you a positive part of this where why I I uh, so here's I'll I'll strike the middle Steve I think those people exist and they're attempting this but I think that's that's right Um, and I'll give you some example of how they failed Is that I I read an article 15 years ago that went viral On how Hollywood was trying to normalize pedophilia and I was like just it was too early got me in all sorts of trouble um, but That's well known now Right, you can go deep on the Q anon side of things But if you don't go deep like no one denies that anymore that things like that are going on people are aware of that And in the evangelical circle where I've been on the fringe for a long time The whole Overton window has shifted where people are listening to me That even nine months ago wouldn't have listened to me They're seeing like I'm not nuts like I've just I know history I've been reading this stuff for a long time and I know what we're seeing now is nuts I'm not the fringe now is the fringe. I'm normal and these people are suddenly opening up to it So we're watching like like you know to continue the theme the Huge portions of the population be redpilled in different segments And for that reason I think these guys Have made a massive mistake I think they went too hard too far and it's going to blow up in their face And everyone's like, well, I don't know about that. Why why look at it. Look at all this evidence It's all right there in front of you that this is not going to work out Like we all know exactly what states they did it. We're starting to know exactly how they did it and we have a president That's not going to roll over. Why won't we win? There's well because other things are corrupt. Well, if you have that loser mindset roll over and die That's what I would say, but I I'd like to add one thing in there But I I I don't think it's a loser mindset what I'm preaching here if you will I didn't mean that totally No, it's okay. It's okay. Uh, I I believe in uh in Making your most accurate assessment of what you think is coming and then preparing for that And I although I believe that we're going to have to face a one world government It's not going to last forever We're going it'll it will fall apart or it will be defeated eventually But I think that the the that the the will amongst the people to live With self determination is not there strong enough yet They'll have to see what it is really like to live under Total world domination before people will rise up and and reap and fight back for their self determination In a in a nation state type format. I have a little bit different take on all this So regarding with what steve just said here I don't think it's impossible for a new world order one world government to take over I do believe trump is going to win this current battle And I think america is on a very positive path still So i'm not convinced that what steve is saying is going to happen nor am I convinced that it's impossible I think that would be very naive to think that we could that this battle is Unloseable this is this is naive is to say it's unwinnable on the short term and the long term And I think steve is mostly focusing on the long term bigger picture, which is a separate issue at Sort of from the short the short term Major battle that we're facing right now and that we're seeing go down in front of us My concern if a nwo one world communist government ever took over which I think is the plan and it's what they want And it's what they've been fighting for is that you would not see I don't think you would see what steve is saying. I think you would see Genocide I think you would see the next dark age could I should and so I think that's what we're facing It's the next enlightenment or the next dark age And if I mean what's the what is it in jed to 21 20 30 all this crap? It's all they always say it's always about killing billions of people and I believe that that's what they actually want They want to kill just like in the last century a couple hundred million people were killed by their own government in the 20th century 250 million or something crazy like that not not victims not combat deaths and wars and stuff They're actually killed by their own government Germany the soviet union china china alone killed the communist government They're killed with 54 million people minimum I mean it's insane and we haven't seen that level of genocide yet this century, but I think that Is what's on the table at a bigger scale if this stuff isn't stopped So my concern is that if they got that you would just see the next dark age for a couple hundred years It wouldn't battle it like it would just be that's why it has to be stopped through any means necessary I still see the us as the beacon of hope regardless of which way it goes I think they're like I keep I don't have to keep repeating myself on the one more government thing But the what you what you have that's unique in the us and what is important Is the is written into your constitution is your right and duty to bear arms and rise up against internal threats That is an american mindset Even though some of these leftists have lost their lost their way their loony tunes They think they're going to have a fairy godfather who's going to take care of every need in their lives Through their communist government There's enough people who still Hold to that american ideal of self-determination and refusal to submit to a oppressor from outside or in And you're well armed Yep, that I mean that is really hard to change It was the reason the japanese didn't invade because every house has multiple guns So that's where the I see the hold out for hope For humanity in that very fact Just to clarify too. I think I'm Short term. I'm very positive long term I think there's much conflict and crisis for us to go through So when I was talking about a one world government or whatever not having I do think trump will win this Long term moving forward. I expect us to balkanize frankly I'm I'm the The optimist here. I I think that After this stuff comes out. I mean everybody's focused on this right now Everybody is completely focused on this election and they're focused on what's going on And right now because the media said all this stuff the media has declared You know that said trump that there's no evidence of fraud and that trump just won't concede the election Everybody's going to be paying attention to the supreme court And they're going to be watching the entire evidence of this And there's no everybody's eyes are going to be glued to it And you are going to see tons and tons of people within big tech within media organizations And of course within the democratic party go to jail And this this is we already had a bunch of people wake up from the covet bullshit Which is still ongoing But a lot of people woke up this past spring because of that This is going to create a whole another second wave of awakening and I really believe that with the disclosure that's occurring By spring of next year You're going to have a solid 75 percent of the public Maybe even 80 percent are going to be Deconditioned deprogrammed sounds like an american an american spring pat That's what it's that's what it sounds like. I think it's and I think it's going to be an american spring I think that trump has had to walk a very thin line with this and this is what I when people don't get People will say with trump. Well, why didn't trump do this? Why didn't trump do that? What trump could have been very brute force and blunt about this stuff And he could have you know brought us to a civil war and then we would have had balkanization And he would have had you know people who supported him and there would have been people who are still programmed But the entire purpose of being patient He's been giving them enough rope to hang themselves And then giving creating the opportunities for people to pay attention to it like with covet like with the riot You know people were like riots are going on in the cities. Why doesn't trump put it down? He wanted to let people see And develop their own opinion about the riots rather than Fall into the predictive programming that the media has put out about him being a fascist So i'm actually very optimistic about this and I think that a lot of people You know people have been paying attention to The ballad stuffing they've been paying attention to the stuff that's been going on and and even if they supported biden There are a lot of you know centrist democrats Who are very uncomfortable with what was going on? They're very uncomfortable with the entire process They might be like okay. Well, I guess i'm happy biden won but They they were a little bit unnerved by what was happening. And so once that evidence comes out You're going to start to see people bailing en masse so I think what's amazing with trump. I mean my my confidence uh, I have a very high confidence in america and our legacy And our momentum we have a tradition of freedom in america and you know, steve brought up with guns That is like the pinnacle of it in a physical kind of way The first amendment is important too, but at the end of the day, it's a second amendment that It's america was built on the justified just use and retaliatory use of force george washington didn't talk the british down he shot them And at the end of the day if that they said if that's what happens in america Well, first of all, it's what happened to start it And this country has survived since then pretty well. And I think that's a big part of it. You can't bully around america Uh, it doesn't work that way in other countries. You can because the population is unarmed So at the end of the day if they want to do something very, you know very orwellian very murderous very genocidal You don't have a lot of options But in america we do and and that's another point just to jump off that real quick america was founded by people who broke away from this group And so they they created a system that was designed to have multiple failsafe mechanisms Because they knew it was going to get infiltrated. I mean, that's when jefferson talked about You know the tree of liberty is probably going to have to be watered with the blood of patriots again And so they created Two, you know, bicameral legislature which had a third of power versus the president versus the courts And then they had You know freedom of speech and then freedom the right to bear arms Because they knew that even if you infiltrate every single layer of the government the populations arms Then they can't do it then you can take it up by those means So we are this was something that's been I mean, they've been trying to do this for a long time And they've been gradually sinking their teeth in as steve was saying they have been They have had complete power for a very very long time But in the last couple of years, it's been especially, I mean There have been people who have been waiting to to deal with them waiting to you know, seeing it get worse and worse And I very much believe that this is we're in the end game for them Um, so I'm I'm positive. We just got to deal with the tension and keep the spirits up Yeah, for sure. I think it's that's I've been on it on twitter Like a lot of you guys is after this stuff on it on it on it But I want to add that uh ron paul Put out a saying I don't know where he got it from or if he invented himself He probably got it from somewhere But back in 2011 2012 he said that tyranny sows the seeds of its own destruction And I never forgot that tyranny sows the seeds of its own destruction And I think what we're seeing right now is an illustration of that I think 2016 was an illustration of that And I would even say that the libertarian argument that they've been making for decades and years That the presidency and the executive branch was overpowered massively Way way way way above and beyond with executive orders and all the congress Basically dumping their authority over to the executive branch things like that Uh, that is why the presidency was so important to get in 2016 for a real independent american Who was not controlled by the party system was not controlled by anyone Um, so basically the presidency was super overpowered And I think that's why it's so important to that we got it and to keep it And it's one of the ways they never expected to lose control of the executive branch ever That was like so far outside.  This is not new for him Uh, this for him is basically a part for the course And his ability to deal with it is sufficient And I think he is going to win and he loves the fight and then he'll fight and win We have to wait and see, you know, none of us have crystal ball in the future, but that's my belief about what we're seeing Trump is different than bezos. He's different than Uh, mosque. He's different than, uh Mark cuban, you know, these These are newer billionaires who Who came up in a different era? Trump is a new yorker.    That's how trump is He you'll notice. He's not a master orator. He repeats himself. He You know, I mean as a speaker. I look at his speaking style and sometimes I go Oh, gosh, did he really just say that and I'm not putting him down But that's not his strong point. His strong point is what he does behind the scenes And what his intention is And he's a street fighter. Well, hang on. He doesn't come across as being smooth I want to disagree on something him repeating stuff. I've noticed that a lot too I've seen him do it at rallies and press and stuff in my understanding That's actually a positive sign of a skilled speaker. I'm not saying he's perfect, you know, all that Obviously a style is very abrasive to a lot of people and that has it's polarizing so that has its benefits and its drawbacks But in terms of just specifically repeating stuff, generally, that's a sign of a good speaker in my understanding You don't if you say it once it goes over people's heads if you repeat it you drill it in their head That's why the media does it they're repeating everything a million times a day now. Well, he He goes off of the teleprompter and adds his own You know, he adds his own comments I mean, I he there'll be a sentence that he reads off the teleprompter and then he'll go off of that And just give his own like little commentary, which I get that I understand that and I think that's a lot That's what a lot of people that's where a lot of people accuse him of Double speak and this kind of stuff but the reality is The reality he comes from in america that's different than what's going on right now This guy this guy shows up at job sites with a hard hat on that's how we bought real estate He's not a digital wizard. He's old school This guy is not the Like the new billionaires are to me. They're just video gamers as far as i'm concerned Trump is a roll up your sleeves kind of guy and he's a brawler And that's what he does When he was doing the whole wwe thing that to me that was just kind of like a Like a humorous picture Of what he really does in real life. There's a reason why vince mcman would have trump on Friday night smackdown or whatever it was It was a it was a metaphor Why didn't they have on anyone? Can you imagine bezos going on wwe?   They decided to take the easy or they're or they're in on it But i mean we look at the number of truly evil people Who are involved with this group?  I just uh you mentioned earlier, uh, anthony Is not about one man Although he started it You know, I don't think we need to put all of our kind of hope In one person What he's done is shown that there's a different way to be a politician And you can be successful without being a career smooth talking teflon sleazy used car salesman politician You know that you can you can if You can pull off Putting harsh truths right in people's faces and you can stare it down he's Showed a new pathway forward for a lot of people. I think you're going to see A lot of new blood See recognize that and start building their own courage in their own brand Gradically different from traditional politicians of the past yeah My concern is it's just the uh I mean, I think it's just I think this is accurate and true what you're saying steve My concern is just the the inability of any of those people to win an election in the future specifically due to voter fraud Like they can do it. It's such a high It's because they're doing it. It's never it's always existed.  This is a fact of history And it's not uncommon but to see it at such a high level Against an incumbent president not a new candidate. It's not like 2016 when you had two new candidates going from different parties And a president was out Due to the constitution and you can only serve two terms This is massive. This is a coup. This is and they're getting better at at swinging this stuff I mean that that professor is the analysis of the google's shift of 15 million votes that one manipulation alone Might have shifted this election that one manipulation not even talking about the mail and ballots and all the other crap that's going on And these are people who want communism slavery and death These are the people who want who want to now make lists. They want to round people up They want to de trumpify you. They want you in reeducation camps. They talk about this openly They want you at the end of the day dead or enslaved And that's where that's where it's heading if we don't stop it so Agreed and someone was asking me on facebook. Well, what are you going to do about it? Is it just empty facebook posts? And my point to them was like well first off It's propaganda that got us to this point this facebook post isn't empty. What are you talking about? Like half the battle here is just keeping you guys awake to what's going on and and telling you the truth And so no words are warfare Now this is how we engage in this.  You're like, why did I do that?  There's always the typo but uh but it Yeah, these guys have like Remove themselves from this and all their people are being stewed in this propaganda And part of this is pushing back And what this tells us is that we have to like take election night I was trying to find someone good to watch And eventually the only one that was good at all was the war room steve anon. Everything else was terrible I watched ox. I was like this is miserable and i'm like some friend told me hey check out the war room And I went on there and it was really good commentary. It wasn't like maga maga maga They were they were very honest about what's going on We're gonna have to create No matter what happens Why something like 21 studios matters? Uh, is that we have to create new channels of media media is incredibly important And so these people that are trying to like again, they're trying to shame you. Oh, you're just talking about it No, that's that's why they want to control it. They want to control information and the flow the complete flow of information That's how you that's how you would slay the population and collapse it I mean the media and big tech look at you know, look at Trump's been censored like what 20 times in the past couple days And not only him it's red now It was very it was mostly him a week ago or two And a little bit of other people and since then it's been like it's escalated times 100 Everybody's getting censored all these you know these big conservative personalities mark levin and all these guys around paul Sitting u.s senators sitting congressmen sitting u.s president I mean, this is insane You know Lincoln back on the day he ended up closing down a lot of newspapers by force And I think at this point I would support trump closing down the big media right now instantly immediately all of it Shut it all down. That's how that's how aggressive they have been They are so compromised and so aggressive and so anti-american and so anti free speech These people are in on it. These people are beyond shills. They're they've committed treason in my opinion They're colluding with an election fraud of a sitting of general election It's a hundred percent treason anthony a hundred percent treason I mean it's and it's going to be provable in court That that these people have taken that there's there's gonna there's gonna be a connection a paper trail connection between the media outlets colluding In polling outlets colluding with with media Groups with with the dnc and with big tech also being in on it to censor certain things. It's all The nsa has a dragnet Okay, we we we can collect all of this information and it has been collected Dude, it's just metadata dude. Don't worry. Yeah, it's just metadata. It's metadata, man No, it's uh, so let's let's pause here and let's talk about uh, something bigger picture You know independent of what happens over the coming days and weeks What are the odds of the united states avoiding a civil war at within the next say five or ten years? I don't know if that's even possible at this point given how Like steve was talking about, you know, it's not just election fraud Like there's millions in my opinion. I think it looks like there's been millions look at biden's popular, bro This is ridiculous. This this this old decrepit corpse. It's more. He got more votes than obama. Yeah, right This is absurd. This is this is beyond absurd.   They didn't vote for biden. Let's get real and they voted Thinking that kamala harris might end up being in that seat They know that there would eventually be some kind of switcheroo Now a lot of them didn't know that like we knew that the trump the rub the trump people knew that I don't think a lot of democrats knew that they actually believe this bullshit Here here's what I believe all right Regarding your uh comment about civil war Yeah Are we getting some like weird audio right now? Yeah, I don't know where it's from. Well, it's from my own pocket Oh, we see who it is checking mine here Yeah, it's it's steve. It's your audio just Okay, this has happened to me before Mike Uh, just to meet your audio Yeah, this when you talk just unmute it and it'll be fun george. Go ahead Here's my thoughts about civil war. We are in a civil war right now. For instance Uh, I remember 30 years ago christians in china literally thought that they were in what What people call a biblical tribulation like they thought it was the end times Literally they thought it because there was crap happening in china to believers in china Who were doing home churches doors would kick down these people get dragged out thrown in prison many shot So for them it was real When I look at a lot of uh more prophecy oriented christian preachers Who would say we are now in the end times, you know, and then they could point to this and this and this happening and it's almost pretty darn convincing although i'm not one of those guys but To the guy that just got his head smashed in about a month ago with a brick To the uh to the trump supporter that just got shot two weeks ago on the street Uh to the store owner whose store Just got looted and burnt to the ground. Yes, you can't tell them we're not in a civil war. So it's kind of a Uh, like how did how did like i'm a big civil war buff guy? I really I got bit by that bug maybe 2008 2009 went to Gettysburg went to all the battlefields I and even the people in the war And I remember going to the museum and reading the letters that were found in dead soldiers pockets A letter that they wrote to their girlfriend to their wife to their mom that kind of thing Those young men didn't even know why they were it wasn't like You know pray for me. I'm fighting to free the slaves.  So what gets me is this is that um historians are gone The media is the new historian.  I believe nothing Absolutely nothing that I've heard about the civil war in my lifetime. You got to go and you got to dig and do your own research Yep, you have to do it. So as far as Why we're doing this the real only I would say like Out of the past three years past four years Only this year did we say Have you been hearing people say oh, this is not about republican versus democrat. It's about what say it America say Dear, no, it's blank versus blank You mean the evil versus boom. There you go People weren't saying that before this year. Actually, I think we only been hearing that like for maybe about the past six or seven months It's really good versus evil. This has nothing to do with parties And my attitude completely changed when that sunk in completely The media who are the new historians are lying about You know, like do you remember um Who was it? I guess I guess it was uh I'm not sure where the source was but I know they did represent this concept well in the movie gods and generals Which if anyone has ever seen that Just go see just rent gods and generals and then gettysburg just watch them Get your popcorn out and just watch it and you're just it's going to blow your mind, but I'll never forget the When blinkin wanted to recruit um Robert E. Lee to lead the southern army and he declined You mean the northern army? No, the southern army he declined Or was it the northern army? Northern army, right he he declined and what happened was uh in in the movie gods and generals He said he goes I never thought that I would see the day when a president would form in when a president of the united states would form an army Against his own country And that's what we have right now Biden and the democrats have created an army. That's anti-american And these people that are taken to the streets with the with the purple hair and the the freak show the pretty much the liberal Progressive freak show these people don't all they they got about maybe three talking points. That's about it They don't even know why they enlisted in this army They don't even know why And you know what they're gonna fall like they're just gonna fall like 10 soldiers That's what's gonna happen because they're unfocused. They have no idea what they're doing And literally literally the media is now hyping this up like they are historians You gotta um we have to unplug everything that we're seeing and hearing right now is a sigh up absolutely everything I'm not the one who wants to go to war I don't want to go to war. I'm not interested in going to war. I think that's why it's not it hasn't happened yet Real americans who love america. They don't want to see that. I don't want to see it If I have to fight for my country to defend it from communists, I will I don't want to see that happen though at the end of the day, but I will I'll do whatever it takes to defend this country I sworn out to like everyone else. It's ever done Anything like this foreign and domestic that's the key that people every cop every person who takes office every politician puts their hand on the bible And that's part of the oath You even have to take an oath in florida at some voting places. Not I didn't see it this year But in 2018 they had this you had to like sign for you had to sign an oath on this just like that Yeah, but it's it's super serious. But it really I think it's americans.    Oh, it's not that bad, you know, we're all americans, blah, blah, blah It's like no communism is not american. This is fundamentally anti-american. It's anti freedom. It's pro slavery. It's slavery for everyone Not based on a gender not based on a race.   Yeah Yeah, these in the streets.  He he's got a lot of good things to say about that because he's he's taking an aerial view of the whole situation and uh God, I'd love to get them on here again. I think a lot of the canadians do like steve Like steve loves america, but steve is not american you're canadian and you live in the american public So you have a little bit of an outside perspective on it that we don't we're in the middle of this shit And what's going on in canada is terrible too, but it doesn't make as much news as the american Yeah, yeah, I watch it up there.  It's brutal Uh michael pat, do you have any thoughts on america being able to avoid a civil war? We're not advocating here, obviously We're just theorizing but I don't see how it's avoidable at this point on a long enough timeline It's been 155 years since we had one, but is it going to go on forever with that one? I'm skeptical I mean, I I don't think that that's going to happen or or you could redefine it and say Freddie having in civil wars in most over Um, this war has been a psychological war you could because wars had wars progressively moved more and more into these realms So, you know early on it would be You know just physical physical fighting and then propaganda and psychological operations became bigger and bigger By the time of the cold war cold war was pretty much entirely a psychological war with a couple hot conflicts here and there sub conflicts But for the most part it was remained psychological Which is one of the reasons why the military continues to transition more and more special ops Because you you need special ops and you know targeted strikes for specific kinetic actions But mostly speaking it's the propaganda outlets that do most of the fighting general Flynn talks about us online, you know it's kind of it's on one hand it's kind of like If you look at it from one perspective you can be like, well, maybe this is a little bit lame to call it like this But there's it's actually true That we are digital soldiers in a certain sense. This is it is a war for your minds And it's a matter of of persuading in that realm now if the 4d breaks down Then it does descend into 3d. It does descend into kinetic action But I don't think it's going to happen because I I really think that they've dug themselves a big hole even now In terms of the truly radicalized portion of the population It's and and yeah, there's a lot of like young women in particular who are in this who aren't really youth You know very useful in a civil war But we're only talking about like 35 to 40 tops of the population That is really in this radical state We have on our side You know, there are much more people who are In favor of trump than are in favor of of the propaganda and who have not been radicalized into sort of this communist position So I don't think that their base of is very strong I think it crumbles pretty quickly the people who and let's also be real about what are the demographics Of people who who support this stuff? I mean most of the antifa people there I remember this was this was a Someone I think screen shot of this couple couple months back Like, you know, one of them had a post that said a fascist trained today Did you and then and then they got trolled Like they didn't get trolled actually their own people said, you know, you can't be body shaming people And you know, it's like these these are they're absolutely useless absolutely useless and The only thing that they have is, you know, they're there is funding They have been backed and you know, I'm not saying that you wouldn't see any hot conflict in the event that this did boil over I just don't think it would it would last very long because the armed and strong pop part of the population Including let's remember 90 percent of combat units support You know are not at all sympathetic to communists so Yeah, they hate them they hate them and Like they they should be actually kissing trumps boots The fact that trump is going about at this direction Because if you decide to just like unleash the military on them and declare an insurrection, they just get I mean, they just get wasted They get wasted in two seconds so what I would say Is I don't know what's going to happen in terms of a civil war I think we should make preparations, but we should also realize How different of a situation we're in right now. So for example No one's self-sufficient we can have our whole our electricity cut we can have our foods our food chain cut Our ability to communicate we depend heavily on Electronics that are easy to disrupt so the the form that warfare will take in the future Is is quite a bit different than in the past and that's why these folks that want to move out to montana I'm always like look they'll If you're fleeing the government, they'll just send a drone out and bomb you like I don't know You think you're gonna drive tanks up into there? What what where do you live man? Like wake up? Wake up to how things have changed um, so what we can do though Is we can become more self-sufficient We can get I think localism is something we need to focus on We need to get into I always tell people look at a city that you live in and say could I turn this into a city state? You know, what sort of influence do you have there? uh, so for me we've um, we're moving to a smaller county with the the goal of having deep influence there Not like a hostile takeover but by finding like-minded people and actually getting some power In the government and and just normal power through relationships So I think there's a it's a huge vulnerability something that mitigates against it is the fact that it's really kind of interior versus exterior and uh urban versus rule So it's it's very how the war would break out It's the the geography of it doesn't lend itself. So it's going to take Whatever it is going to take a different form than it did in the previous civil war it's going to be and that's and that's Some of that we can like this we have to sit here and think like what would that You know, I had this moment years ago where I realized everything I owned someone else made for me And it was kind of a crazy thought like I can't make my own clothes. I can't make my own food You know, I'm not a big hunter. I don't like shooting animals. It's gross, man I don't want to pull their guts out. I don't know who enjoys that but uh Uh, I started thinking through all the things that I can't do And so one is just getting basic skills back basic confidence back Actually knowing your neighbors actually having I mean the fact that you can have your whole library Uh deleted knowledge can just be deleted right away And so we don't even have analog books. I think We I have a friend he does um prepper stuff Um, he does conferences.  Why don't you lose some weight? So I think we all should really See the right on the wall that Unless there's a total victory here and we just crush their spirits, which I think is unlikely That there's instability coming in front of us for the next several decades and what can you do? to Build a local stronghold Where you and your family and your friends have a level of protection is what I would urge people to think about Yeah, I mean even you mentioned the next several decades, but even the next several years Go ahead Even if trump even you know with trump if he wins now and falls through and all this and I believe that's what's going to happen Now we're on the the stages of that happening Uh, they're just going to delegitimize his presidency 10 times worse than 2016 Instead of saying russia stole a rusher rusher rusher rusher rusher these two paranoid schizophrenics about this shit Now they're going to say trump stole the election He stole the supreme court with amy coney barrett and then he stole the election And that that's now that's going to even because now it's a more direct line to attack him than blaming it on russia And he's a russian puppet Now now he's a dictator who stole the supreme court who stole the election He didn't win it. He had to steal it with the lawyers the lawyers did it blah blah blah blah So, yeah, it's just going to be nuts, man Like I I mean I I think it'll always be there's no way if a major conflict happens It'll be it'll look like the last one in 1800s But I think it's coming like I don't know how it's going to be avoided at this point george, yeah Yeah, two things. I remember uh having a conversation at the 21 report with michael foster He was talking about sharpening the axe, but look at your frigging arms You know it's like if those arms don't look like they can swing an axe There's a lot of guys sharpening the raxes, but they don't have the arms big enough or strong enough to swing the damn axe So we got to take care of ourselves. That's number one your war starts with your own personal pt number two Terrence pop talking to him When he was talking about the war uh on fathers and men stuff like that and he says we're using civil war type You know weaponry against modern warfare Uh when we talk about civil war now, is it going to be muskets and pitchforks and torches? Or is it going to be The grid going down. Is it going to be the water supply? This is a whole different war. This is not this is not going to be a uniformed war Although we will you know a lot of the quote-unquote enemy is it's pretty obvious. I mean just look for the purple hair But that's that's going to be one of the first things but Biden came right out and said i'm going to raise your taxes and i'm i'm going to lock you down and he actually got votes What the actual Is that all about he came there was he didn't allude to it. He said yes I'm going to raise your taxes. Yes.  That's why that's why I think it's you know, if Trump would biden's guys supposedly 73 million 74 million popular votes now I would assume no less than 60 million of those are legit maybe 65 I think there are millions of fake votes at this point illegal votes fake votes all this stuff But there's still tens of millions of people who support this crap And they're that the sheep the sheep syndrome the sheep Brainwashing is that severe in these people.      Yeah, it's like a manchurian candidate kind of thing Let's take one step back here. We've been going for almost 90 minutes 85 Let's talk about so the guy I want to educate uh the men watching this Talk to me about politics itself As if as a as a obviously a foundation of civilization men forming together to form governments As a declaration of independence put it to secure these rights As I understand it the family is the smallest political entity that there is and then from that men form governments to secure rights Properly anyway as we've seen as we saw in america 1776 So as politics as the title implies the the masculinity of politics Is politics a man's prerogative? Is it a man's father's? Uh, absolutely. So the word economy is a two greek words that mean house rule white ghost nomos right and uh, so Society is made of households right households is the most basic building block And the leader of the household is the is the father is the husband He leads it and all society is built up of that and so you can't The politics are nasty when they it gets bigger and bigger it gets more and more complicated And a lot of guys will pride themselves like oh, I don't mess with that stuff But look that stuff messes with you and And in scripture the guys that sat in the gates were the respected elders of the town And that's where if you had an issue We had a problem you wanted to work out these are the guys you'd come to talk about And these were the guys that helped you make wise decisions And that's the basis of politics is when you have one house You just got the husband the wife and the children and the extended family working things out But as there's more houses it gets more and more complicated So you create different structures to to resolve things and to to manage property property disputes or whatever That's all politics is so you can't really be about marriage and family and the household And not be about politics. It's just We're reclaiming That stuff that's been lost And as we reclaim each like Think of it as concentric circles as we reclaim the bull's eye Like it takes us a while to realize Just how much these other things are connected To to the home. So yeah, if the man rules in the home He's going to rule in the collections of homes. That is society That's why like christians a lot of times in my circles. They'll they'll talk about complementaryism This is an idea that basically men rule in the home in the church, but not in society Well, wait a second society is made up of homes. It's made up of households So how is it that the man is the leader in the home and suddenly women are the leaders over all the homes? It's like very weird and and just not true throughout history So yeah, we need to learn to love politics in particular local politics And that's where it all starts guys need to be running for mayor. They need to become get on community they Council or whatever and get involved and and actually then you see it more tangibly affect your life I think we all think at a national level where we have the least power and influence And so then it feels fake and if a guy's masculine like he wants to connect it to the real world And so you'll find a lot of some of the most pathetic guys are interested in power That they only could talk about theoretically like they don't have any skin in the game And I think if guys would get more into local politics They'd have more skin in the game and they would see it's actually very masculine But they see all these guys. It's like what's the dude in um The guy that's always mad at donnie in that uh one movie's got the gun is john goodman plays them He's always talking about political conspiracies and that uh, I know the movie. I don't know the name What is it the dude abides that movie? Well, I can't think of this but um That's what guys think of when they think of guys that are in kind of conspiracy and politics They are kind of losers that don't have their life under control and that is You know where it's just about your emotions and it's distinct from any action I get why they don't want to be part of it. So get involved locally. That's that'd be my pitch for it Um, uh, steve you got a good comment in a minute. Let's go to steve. Uh closing comments steve This is on politics, uh, whether men are better at it or natural at it Yeah, you could take that angle or you could just I know you have to go in a minute So you could take that angle or you could just speak more wildly about whatever you want with I'll speak more wildly about politics Briefly, um, I think uh, you know human beings are a social animal and as soon as you are a social animal You have you are involved in politics whether you like it or not It's part of being a social animal that like as soon as two people get together You've got politics whether you like it or not even in an everyday conversation There's an element of politics in the sense that each person Is needs to judge whether or not they're they're pissing off their person They're damaging a relationship They want to preserve or whether they're forwarding their own personal goals or not. So yes Politics is unavoidable for every human being You can you can withdraw from it and and just be a victim of everything that flows around you And just you're floating in there hoping that there isn't a shark that's going to eat you You know, but that's not a very good solution So at some point if you want to be an active member of your social group, wherever that is You're going to be dealing with politics in some form or another and and that's so politics to me is neither male nor female It's a human thing as soon as you're born human interacting with other humans There's a political dimension that comes in right away and the same Just referring back to the previous conversation There's an element of conflict meaning that conflict includes warfare that comes along with being social animals Connect collecting in groups and seeking their own benefits. So when it comes to a War on a civil war sense There's a possibility that will devolve into that and i'm just going to arbitrarily stop there because I actually do have to go Steve thanks for having us baby. Appreciate the comments and thoughts. Thank you so much for having me on everybody. It's always a pleasure Yeah, ciao Yeah, so with politics. Yeah, it's interesting to see these different perspectives on it Um, I love seeing you know, one of the things that I was thinking about too is I think george washington was famous for saying that government is like fire And I don't know the exact quote beyond that the government is like fire And I could it can cook your food for you or that I can kill you that can burn your house down and burn you alive And so it's very dangerous But the reason though is that it's politics is not only government is not only fire politics is force and voting is force And so I think that's what we're seeing here too go down It's like you see in this conflict and you know, he's very human thing. It reminds me too of starship troopers, uh, which is a A classic movie a great movie, right? Yeah, and there's a book that's very different too that it came from and There's a great sargon of a cod. We have a great review of this movie this whole thing the book and the movie and Was it There's a whole there's actually a lot to what that went into the movie and why it it came out the way it did It's really interesting actually to look at But it's a movie that I think illustrates, you know, for whatever reason the directors had to put it together but It talks a lot about this that voting is force politics is force Uh, it's it's violence election a year vote is is a directive for the government to apply The threat or actual violence against other human beings Through laws law enforcement lack thereof defund the police this and that like it's super serious and I think that's why you know, I'm against uh discriminating against, you know, Americans Their ability to vote based on the way they're born at the same time I recognize that women getting the vote was not consequence free And that women and men are different and they vote in different ways and we see this very clearly in the voting patterns Women vote for what they believe will make them feel safe and they vote for what makes them feel secure Whether or not it will and their their emotions are driving I think a lot of what they vote for or as a matter much more Truth focused and evidence focused in fact focused in reality focused It's what we're designed to do we have to to kill the animal and hunt it down and eat it and stay alive I don't know.  Yeah, I think uh I like the idea of what uh michael says about getting involved locally that that's a big deal and I think What what I don't want us to do is to put on boxing gloves and Fight the sky literally like We need an opponent. We don't need a boogeyman. We don't need some giant like government Like how do you fight the government?  That's a way of Keeping your neighborhood safe if that's all you can do um You know if you run for a town council position something like that. That's what you can do You got to get local if you just stay government and You know fight the new world order and this kind of stuff. It's It's an enemy. You really can't see And what happens is You get people like biden and his type And what they're doing is basically just they are channeling This whole new world order thing So that's why he's got to be defeated.  It's and it's it's like in plain sight When was the last time someone said a presidential candidate said yes, I'm going to raise your taxes and I'm going to lock you down It used to be it used to be this weird No more taxes. Yeah, yeah, exactly at least he's honest at least he's honest about it. Yeah, yeah, exactly Burn the country down. Great. Yeah, and that and then there's people going. Yes, raise taxes raise taxes And to me that's and that's a good thing raise taxes. Yes. Whoo eat the rich Yeah, well, that's like saying wow this stew is good Boy, the meat in this stew is good and there's no meat in it. But you were taught that there's meat in the stew Raising taxes is not good The reason why this country exists is one of the if anyone ever read the the declaration of independence and I can guarantee you that 99 9% of democrats have never read the constitution or the declaration of independence The biggest grievance was what the first grievance was what taxes? I mean come on so The tea party had it all wrong. Unfortunately, they ended up they just had bad optics I understand where they were coming from but it's a movement that fizzled out and just kind of morphed into libertarianism Which is still not a clear form of political stance Look at Joe Jorgensen.  Oh, she made Gary Johnson look appetizing by comparison, right? Yeah, exactly exactly, but uh, get involved local Get involved local take care of yourself strengthen the arms I'll steal it from uh, michael foster strengthen the arms that swing the axe no I have some uh, I have another uh Topic I wanted to bring up here for you guys I thought it'd be really good discussion very relevant to our show way above and beyond the more wider picture There's been a push in the manisphere for many years to like a hyper push like a hyper apolitical push to keep it completely separate from politics Which is very very different from what we just talked about with politics being a man's game and a masculine thing because it deals so much in force and violence Oh, we lost Bruno. He's being censored But you guys have comments on that. I don't need to drop names if you don't want to but there's been a very Very coordinated push. I think it's failing too as the polarization picks up I have a theory about that so and um We we run into this a lot in the church one more one more context drop before you start Feminism is the opposite feminists are super political. They're politically effective They're not just in culture and in memes and you know influencing women's behavior It's also super super political and they're super effective Which is very different from the manisphere collection of men and fathers And rant please continue Yeah, I think a big part of it is it's because it's about um Not just theorizing but taking action. I mean that's That's what I run into with people that they don't want to talk about it. It also it does divide And these guys are brought together usually by their need for female validation almost more than anything That's how it comes across to me um But uh, I think it's it's because they To get involved in politics is to get deeply involved in society and there's a sort of narcissistic drive um, I think that keeps them from wanting to do that and also Uh, it shows you have to have a more developed worldview more thought than just like spewing out Everything you stole from neil strauss and whoever else that you've been lifting this stuff from years You know like you see so many of these people It doesn't really matter what type of guru it is. They're just kind of rehashing everything and Um, some of them do it better than others But they you find out that these folks don't actually have they're not deeply educated. They're not deep readers They're just uh Is what they say when all you got is a hammer everything's a nail, right? And so I think it exposes their lack of education I mean, it's wise at one level to not speak to things that you don't understand But it's even wiser to admit that you don't understand it and it matters and to start learning and having the conversations for the sake of Intellectual growth, you know, it's very healthy too. I mean look at the look at the orwellian propaganda that we see from feminism And then now look at the orwellian propaganda that we see in politics and have seen for a while There's always been, you know, politics has always been I think dirty business. It's been Very cutthroat. That's not that's not new. This is not, you know, a recent phenomena But the level of orwellian propaganda that we've seen in recent years and in recent days is just unreal Look at twitter right now All the whole sidebar that I see on my twitter feed I could pull it up is just propaganda piece after propaganda piece after propaganda piece It is so intense. It is non-stop propaganda.  You can look at the cyber now. It's nuts, right? It's all the celebrities now talking about going, you know, they're celebrating biden, blah, blah, blah, blah It's you know, the legal stuff won't do anything for trump.   There's something there, but certainly the The methods that they are using is classic feminine tactics like gas lighting and manipulation And really just I mean they'll just lie to your face over and over again And and these guys they're completely blind to it And I have to say this I'm not going to name names Um, but I've seen you know from people who I used to respect very much in the dating community And I have on very good authority that their all their client base has become totally like you know Like bitchy whiny men like hardcore Bernie bro Sort of you know, antifa sort of supporting people and I have to say like Yeah, maybe you're getting some like grungy antifa pussy, but like you're you're They're not doing well with women like they're totally detached from their masculinity And I think that the guys who didn't stand up and take and fight like you know, like you've been doing anthony with 21 convention Who didn't understand that that we need to we needed to evolve in this direction They're they're getting like dustbent They're old news all their little tactics or you know, even emotional connection stuff I'm all about that those things, but you're they're missing the bigger script Which is that there's no replacement Like if you if you're going to fall for feminine propaganda tactics, you suck with women at the end of the day You're going to get run over by women Amen, brother.  Yeah, it's nuts. Uh, and and it's happened. It's happened That's thug energy And there's only one it's like my father used to say there's only one way you deal with that And that's what the mana sphere has to deal with if they want to if they truly want to man up That is what they're going to have to deal with You're not going to talk your way out of this It ain't going to happen.  They're they're much worse than that. They're evil.  They're anti-american.    I'll draw some connections here. So my introduction to pat. I didn't know who pat was I didn't know who a lot of people were in this space, um, like two years ago, but uh a certain guy did not like pat steadman at all And was railing against them and I was like, what's this all about, you know, like And you know, you can't help it when someone's like warning you about someone you want to go find out like what their deal is So I started falling pat And I I follow people on and off, you know, you kind of unfollow fall and I was like, I don't know this seems like Pretty good pretty right on I understand what this guy's problem is. Why why do they what does he have such a problem? And then pat did this whole thing where he was mocking the red pill Uh for like for a couple weeks. It was great content but um Here's my takeaway It's it's very much like a woman to poison the well to gossip and tear people down with words And and not let the best idea win and not let the uh They don't want there to be a marketplace of ideas because they can't compete And that's that's how that's how the left is winning right now. Their ideas are crap Right, they sound good on paper But they never work right and anyone that understands the history and sees it or has any experience in power And so what how these things are in common Is folks that are really good at talking and really good at packaging and and and flattering and kind of Playing a particular narrative like the narrative of fear right the black pill. That's that's all Joe Biden is right Um, though you listen to everything he does is fear the in the same way in the ministry. There's guys that are like Pedaling fear and citizen cynicism and and if there's anyone that says anything different than that They talk about how they're purple pill or weak or whatever um And that's them uh because they can't actually critique the ideas So they just use labels to kind of shut the conversation down And that's the same thing you see in women men.    What I'm opposed to specifically is labeling people as blue pill red pill Red all this stuff, right? That's a much slippery much slippery slope super super dangerous Because it's a case, right? Make yeah, it's it's infant like it's child like to label people to classify You know a whole group of people like that at least in the hemisphere, right?   They go to the thing that makes us a man And try to castrate us with words with concepts.   He went right for the dick He went right to your genitals The only thing I agree the only thing I disagree with is I don't call it feminine energy and I don't call these people these men These males feminine. I call them a feminine. I think it's feminine. It is a much more accurate term Yeah, you're right. You're right when women have feminine energy. It's beautiful Like we got to make energy great again and you know all that like i'm all about Yes I you know what I I I I stand corrected in that I I agree with that because I you know what feminine energy is, you know, like when you have like when you have like Like your your your velour wolf blanket up With push tacks on the window as a curtain And you have like a milk crate bookshelf and you bring a girl over and she says You know what this place needs a woman's touch now that can go too far too but the idea of You know rather than just putting the box of pizza on the coffee table She'd rather put the pizza on plates And make a salad for you rather than eating out of the box while you're netflixing and chilling. Okay That's that's the beauty that that the feminine can bring into your life Yeah, uh, so I agree with you feminine energy really is uh Very creative. It's beautiful.  Okay. Come on in Let me make you dinner.  You're home. Everything's cool And you know what that's really cool.  Michael foster Made a statement somewhere. I don't know where it was and one Some somewhere on video or even the bible talks about men being effeminate right michael first sure uh, so in um The first Corinthians six nine. There's two words used for Homosexuality and modern translators get it wrong. They think it's pictures and catchers, right? The guy that's given the guy that's taking Actually, it's malachoy and arsena coyte.  That's being effeminate And so it's hilarious to read the early church who read guys like clement He'll talk about these guys who would shave their beards to try to get baby faces to pick up chicks Like clements going after these guys and so he's saying it's effeminate because they're like denying some of their masculine Essence or whatever and so to be effeminate like for a woman to be feminine beautiful Yes, right, but for a cat the bark that's unusual, right? And so I always tell people I don't have my wife is my feminine side I don't have a feminine side Like the feminine I need a wife because I need that in my I need feminine energy I need the feminine in my life and that's why I get that from a wife I'm all man all the time and when you act like when you don't act like a man when you take the posture of a woman It's very unusual. It's and it's off-putting and and everyone notices right away And they always have and it's because effeminate men are women without wombs They add nothing To the mission and so all cultures despise effeminate men Because the guides and it's and because guys are so outcome oriented and team oriented and hierarchical oriented because you're like what This guy a woman brings something to the team Right she brings a lot, but this guy who is a man, but acting like a woman. He brings nothing And so they despise them because it doesn't help and I that's he that's the sort of energy or mindset I see in a lot of these guys is that they're like the opposite They they want so badly to be a man, but they're not and they resent the real masculine guys And it's it's a shame because a lot of them are deeply gifted people and if they could just get over it A lot of good work could be a lot of collaboration could happen and it's the the sort of cattiness I just block them.  Like these tweets do nothing to me like I don't care You know and these folks that these some of the commenters you see on these youtube like look I know who you are You're like some big fat autistic guy that can't like relate to anyone the real world like your comments don't hurt me none of this stuff does and I I hate seeing that I wish these people would find a way to um Put their differences behind it's it's sad to see it because we do need a coalition right now of Of people that agree that at least that feminism tyranny all these things are enemies that we need to find a way to undermine but But they're feminine I I have to laugh but when I used to be on like dating websites or like apps and Sorry to interrupt real quick. I guys. I gotta head out now like I'm about to tap that on time Okay, so I appreciate you guys have me on And uh, thank you pat. We've got a fun month ahead, but I think it's I'm hoping by the end of the month but certainly no later than mid december we're gonna have this whole thing wrapped up and It's gonna be the biggest, uh I almost feel bad for him. It's gonna be the worst month of their lives So we're uh, but yeah, sometimes I my house shakes and I think was that an earthquake and I was like, no, those are the Those are pat steadman's vibrations Thank you That's right All right boys, I want to close out with one final Commentary here a question from a chat, you know chat guy today a little bit a few minutes ago But it also reminded me too. We'll get into it. So I'll read it and then I have another comment from a someone else I follow So roman broski says I assume once biden drops the ball as president 2024 will be a change back to republicans again Let's say the way for a long time So I don't think it was gonna happen, but It did make me this comment is interesting and then also because we could talk about it With some looking at it abstract But also I've seen even speakers in the manosphere that I generally like I've seen them have this very uh Not even pessimistic attitude, but like there's like a defeatist attitude more distinct than pessimism or optimism or realism or whatever like defeatist stuff and it's the defeatist attitude that Uh, you know, everything's gonna be okay. Don't worry about what happens. It'll all work itself out America will survive no matter what it's always survived It's like motherfucker.  Do you think you have an infinite number of times?    That you know, the economy doesn't collapse.  You know, it's always working so fast It's like no it doesn't it doesn't work.  So anyway, I thought I'd pull this comment up And uh, see if you guys want to riff on this a little bit Thoughts on this comment on what I just said There's a last time for everything everyone's going to eat a last meal everyone's going to have a last haircut There's going to be a last shower. There's going to be a last election. There's a last time for everything It it's not this is not going to last forever Prosperity doesn't last forever if you don't do something about it. There's always something There's always something you have to fight And you just have to stay vigilant. I agree with you anthony on that that It's not just going to get better by itself. It's not going to equalize. It's not going to find its own level It's not going to happen Every bit of freedom that Just give up your gun. It's gonna be fine. Don't worry. It'll work itself out. Just give up your gun. Yeah Every every bit of freedom that we have is the result of someone's hard work or blood period It did nothing nothing is free absolutely nothing I mean what I would sit what I would say is I was actually talking to a good friend about the problem of money Right that money has no inherent value. It's the fiat currency, right? And so assets have real value and and I was telling them we're just talking about like what happens When our money inflates or deflates or whatever and he's and he his whole His whole mindset was based on the last like 40 years or like for the last 50 years And I'm like, look, uh, that's a that's a drop in the bucket man like we You are assuming that this system is going to continue exactly how it has just for the last 40 years where You know, there was a time when there was an income tax There was a time when there was a gold standard. There was a time where there wasn't a huge welfare state That was fdr that created that there was a time where states were closer to countries Then they were the administrative states that we see now. That's all they really are These things there's been rapid changes in america and everyone acts like That those changes aren't going to continue and you're not going to continue in a particular direction that they've gone which is increasingly federal increasingly fake in terms of Our our economy right propped up by all sorts of manipulations and fiat currency fake money Yeah, it's just not real like you have to have assets that's you know one day if if they if they decide that you're not going to pay on their Their bonds, you know, you're you're in real trouble. It's going to change everything and don't think that our our competing nations Don't realize that how vulnerable we are they just have to it's mostly because usd is Reserve currency for china right now that's propping us up for the moment But that could change who knows So I think it's weird that folks just to assume That things are going to continue as they have I'll also say this I was talking to someone about someone asked us in the chat About sort of the black pill mindset and they're telling me all this research like we haven't ever the worst they've ever been It's going to continue on this this line and here's where society is going to go If all things remain equal you can make predictions like that But history is full of big surprises. I was reading about the in 1416 that basically There was a prolonged winter because there was three major volcanic eruptions that covered the sun You couldn't even see the moon at night And it killed all these crops and it changed everything and this is right around the time of black plague There's so many things that happen in history that we can't predict Black swan events is what they're called black swan events exactly and and so folks a lot of these guys because they live in the theoretic they they They think they can plot this out and they let that control their attitude And that's a huge Part of the problem that we're having right now with people's mindsets is that they think they know it's going to happen And we really don't fully know what's going to happen I think what I think what you're getting at is that they're offloading personal responsibility for the future of the country They're a small part in it or whatever part that they have They're offloading it to history and and just sheer momentum like a disblind belief out of fear paranoia Like oh, it's going to be fine. Doesn't matter what happens. It's another election blah blah blah It's like no you you have personal responsibility in it and at some point it will come knocking at your front door Exactly. It's two sides of the same coin, right? It doesn't matter. It's all going to work out. I don't have to do anything Oh, there's nothing we can do.  It's inevitable. I don't have to do anything Right, like the the coin is I don't have to do anything. I don't have to get involved It's hopeless and I don't believe that I actually think that uh that actions have Uh Can we can't have victor we can win in personal life national life ecclesiastical life that uh that god rewards the hands of the diligent You know, I believe that the things we do actually have and these guys though I think a lot of them just haven't won at anything like it's amazing If you've ever won like one of my favorite wrestling matches was when I wrestled in high school I was totally not supposed to beat this guy and I was like in over my head and I pinned him And when I pinned him I realized you like, you know, I'm a force to be reckoned with I can actually do this And these guys just did it taste a little bit of victory and like keep man. Let that thing snowball And we actually can but not if you have this defeatist mentality That uses your limited understanding of history To keep you from taking action that I think that's that masculine to be a masculine man is to be a man of action To not just be hearers of the word but to be doers of the word to get things done Yep Yeah, I agree. Go ahead George Yeah, I I even saw bumper stickers and memes that said asteroid 2020 Remember that You know, just like give it up like, you know, let asteroid come quickly You know and and then it would end everything or the other thing would be Trump is what winning looks like remember the hashtag winning. Was that a charlie sheen thing winning remember that and I don't think that conservatives or republicans or freedom lovers have Completely defy if you talk to 10 people what freedom or what winning looks like you're going to get 20 different answers I think they need to get into a big room and say, okay, what does winning look like? Is trump in the white house? Does that does that mean winning the last four years have been very stressful With trump even though when I wake up in the morning, I love it when I wake up and trump is president I love that but It has been stressful and I think it's This in the past four years that was one of the reasons why I shut off the media completely 100 and and Don't watch tv and I'm so unplugged from it and I just feel great and I'm very positive and optimistic about everything Uh, but what does winning look like? I think winning is when we are making a lot of money taking care of our family. We have little government Interference I want little I want government to be afraid of me instead of me being afraid of my government right now Everyone's afraid of the government Simple as that Damn, I think winning is freedom Like real individual rights hardcore declaration of independence freedom Life liberty the pursuit of happiness the right to own property the right to defend yourself freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom None of this negative this positive freedom crap, you know the freedom to not You know be poor the freedom not to be a hungry all this bullshit The fdr tried getting in with his bill of rights that he made up in the 30s or whatever Yeah, so to me winning is freedom true No bullshit zero compromise freedom and trump has been a major push in that direction Uh, ron paul, I think it's at the stage in 2008 and 2012 for these ideas to be more popular outside of like hardcore libertarian circles and infect the Republican party in a positive way ron paul has been carrying that torch intellectually But trump has done stuff in his own boisterous way That's just been badass And I want to see it continue and I hope it hope it does I think it's just going to happen people underestimate trump consistently For decades and they consistently have a pie thrown on their face the end of the day So the people who doubt them I know they'll just throw back at us, but I really think they're setting themselves up for a massive You know freak out and screen fest in a couple weeks And let's see. Let's see what happens. I think that's why you know, they're pushing so hard against that The supreme court judge they didn't expect that to happen at the last minute and son of a bitch it did And here we are and let's see what happens I think we're going to round out the show and he uh, it's been a little two hours now Any final comments? gentlemen, it's been good Yeah, it's been awesome conversation All right, well, let's say we'll round out the episode today then thank you george bruno Thank you michael foster. Thanks earlier to steve bruley and pat steadman We'll see her bait next week on the red man group episode 125 Saturday probably 11 30 12 12 p.m. Something like that Peace out see you next week. God bless america. God bless the man's fear. Keep america great You