Okay here none and we'll move on to our first agenda item which is the working on the budget. This is our informational meeting for the budget. At the last meeting we looked at a majority of the budget two meetings before that we looked at the revenue and this past past meeting we had looked at the majority of the departments and we had given some feedback you know some really feedback overall on the budget. So I guess we could just start first on the revenue piece of it. I don't know if we have to go through any of the line items unless somebody questions it but the overall overall the revenue overall the local revenues it's one of the first two pages. Yeah it's an impact. I had to do it because I didn't like the legal size. So I did change Chris we talked about the on the last part of the property taxes. I did lower it from 45,000 to 40 we talked about going down five every year so I did do that and then for penalty and interest I did the two-year average I did less than that you can see what it has been actually in the right-hand side but I did put that down because we talked about wanting to make sure that the revenues were not overinflated so I did make those adjustments. So overall the revenues year-over-year it's about a 38,000 increase. We're anticipating is that correct? Yep. Trish is any of that delinquent taxes that based up I know you over the last two years you've been setting a lot of payment plans. Folks is any of that based on that and then sort of assumed additional amount or how are you getting to that number? Basically I just I keep looking at what we've put into that line item in the past few years how it comes in and even if you got all and we still have some delinquencies we know that we're on a payment plan and if they hadn't adhered to their payment plan they'll sell the next we'll put them up in this tax sale we do have you know several we know that we sold redeemed or we have a couple that have redeemed but I just look at what has been in there you know from the past couple of years and that's how I based on only a two-year average because there's a lot you have delinquent taxes even if you get a lot of the back years caught up because the minute that somewhere doesn't make their May 15th payment or their November 15th we consider them delinquent they're not technically uh that you know this until like until we charge them a penalty which is May 15th but you always have people that have missed you know the payment or missed the May payment even if it's by a week or two so I've been trying to base the average on a couple of years to our history instead of going way back you always are going to have some sort of a number there but I think that they're good numbers and so you may have somebody missed their payment by a week technically wouldn't go down as right towards the 40 000 delinquent but it definitely would go towards the penalty and interest piece because by law you know you missed it by one day you get charged penalties and interest yeah and it depends you know when people are starting to pay off on their payment plans and so I just did the actual but I just based on two years and we had agreed to drop the delinquent taxes prior by 5 000 a year so I'm just sticking with that and then obviously the two-year average for interest is higher than what I budgeted and penalty is higher than what I budgeted but yeah my hope is we're continued efforts we're going to see those numbers come down so I think they're realistic and I don't feel like the budget is you know overinflated and in a perfect world the delinquent tax would be zero yeah so we have to you know when about three years ago I think we were we were three or four years ago we were budgeting like 75 000 a year on delinquent taxes but at some point what you're doing is you're kind of almost double dipping your revenue source from kind of one year to the other because if you're collecting 75 000 delinquent taxes that means that you didn't collect 75 000 you know at some other point that was in the budget so so we want to we want to start moving that revenue scale down because all of a sudden it will never happen not good but if let's say in theory every single person claiming tomorrow and paid off all their debt right yeah our budget paid off because everybody paid your paid it off so our budget our budget would be off by two cents right you know because you were participating as a revenue source but all that back would go towards this budget next budget you know and the stuff you don't see in here is like you know when you get you know fire department grants or you know obviously we don't know what we're going to get in the upcoming year so I don't budget for any of that but that usually just offsets an expense anyways so sometimes you know I know fire chief gets a little bit about because his budget looks like he's over spent but he really has because if you look at his expenses he has a revenue to offset you know that because he's usually really good at getting grants so yeah he does right the stuff that we got grants for we just put on last year when I did I put a note beside saying this expense was offset by a place we did in the draft but we'll make sure it goes in this year because I think in the last year it does but you know you know people don't always do that they just look at Dave's page and say oh we overspent when they're not going with the revenues so overall right now the budget we're looking at the revenue source would be $38,000 increase over last year and there's a little bit of an increase in highway revenues state-only and I mean some of it's just little you know that we put in there I'm going to see dude the tower release line now what kind of a deal do we sign on that releasing that tower that's how we do the state or the local deal because I know that everybody else who has a tower they put another antenna to get more money yeah well not this one I'm not even sure let's let's let's not revisit this can awareness oh okay this is the whole other thing part yeah yeah there's a line in there for ticket traffic tickets kind of state and federal revenue and I didn't put a lot in there because hey I haven't seen any revenues he's written tickets but I have to call the judiciary because I haven't got any money yet since July so I don't know what's going on there and and then with him taking a full-time position I don't know what his future is so I've just you know whatever we make over there will be gravy but you only get a small percentage of the ticket anyways but if he's you know 100 dollar tickets why I don't know yeah yeah no doubt absolutely certainly been quite active anyway so and land use was a good increase this year um and see that and then I did increase penalty and interest just because we've been collecting it so I tried to make that reflect reflect the actual budget so okay any questions on the revenue side well the reimbursement for the water department yep how do you figure that number there the water the sewer department it stays the same but the water department without the admin reimburse yeah yep what I do is I take a percentage of people salaries I figure out you know talk about how many hours I think it takes them to do whatever the services they provide that department and go from there so this year I I think I tweaked the um mine that because I was at last it might have been last year or the year before Greg Greg and I talked about in because we didn't put any of our salaries any of my our only small percentage mine and none of the town managers that's how we do any of Greg's salary in there I haven't spent a lot of time in the water so we just changed the percentages this year I just tweaked in a little bit try to make sure they're realistic and because of what we're doing so all right and that green maple true up now we get every once in a while what happens is we have the solar agreement with green maple and they have to every year by the contract they're supposed to do this trip to see how much if they owe us any money or we owe them how it's worked out and so we got a significant check from them this year so do we is there something in here for the compensation for the solar field at the transfer station yes at the bottom yeah I'm sorry right in front of me yep sorry but the green maple true up I just don't know obviously when we're going to get that every year how the work so I don't budget for it we just have to just receive it any further discussion revenue in and we'll dig into the budget side of things the we can just go in order the public works is the first spot in line so we talked about a little bit last time um Therese just wanted to take us through the the theory behind yeah so I don't think I changed too much after um after our last meeting um you can see I tried to put some notes in so you can see what I'm doing and um I know I did tweak the insurance rates because I just got an insurance bill so I was able to um they had some decreases in their rates so I was able to work that out this time so insurance insurance building and uh work yeah that workers comp building and liability so you know so a lot of this is pretty much what it was last year um you know all the same expenses no new line items till you get to higher services or equipment and we added the line item for a ditching of 20 000 dollars like we talked about um so we're gonna and we're also going back to outsourcing roadside mowing ditching and we finally put a bunch of number in there five grand to tree cutting because sometimes Alan has to call someone there's a big tree that they cannot take care of um and he needs to hire out it's not cheap so that you know hopefully by the end in the spring we'll be able to go around and the guys will know all their roots so if they have any trees to be caught Alan can look and then if we have a few that we could do we could put them together in the package and bid it out so we could get deal with a couple things at once so trees the ditching number there what's that based on yeah we just tried to figure out how much we could support in the budget and um we were figuring that we bid it out by the foot and Chris had done the math and thinking that would get us what because it's three weeks three weeks of yeah it's about three weeks three weeks for of course it all depends on you know the year and what road you want to do you know if you're if you're just going to ditch and and have um you know a grass ditch then you can get a lot of mileage out of 20 000 but if let's say you have a stretch of road that you're going to have to put some stone in or something like that then you know you may only be only get a week's worth of ditching and have to pay for material you know stone lining ditches or something like that so kind of looking through it i you know 20 000 seems to be um kind of a starting point i don't think it's an end-all point on no if you you know if you keep everything in the cycle and maintenance everything but you know we also have to you know we have to comply with the new storm water um pieces that that we naturally are going to have to put some money into like we know we have a lot of ditching on hamper we know that well probably initially you're going to have hot spots that you're going to have to jump on first yeah you know and then maybe next year it might build a difference the idea is to kind of get a game plan a roadmap and say okay i want to whatever i want to ditch four miles you know on these three roads or let's say and then we put it out to bid by the foot because you know if you put it out by the hour one excavator operator might be a little higher on the price but might be a lot faster and you might have someone that's lower on the price that's a lot slower so if you bid it by the foot you can and then use their own trucks to haul away any yeah we'll be continuing to do ditching but we don't really have a piece of equipment that does ditching that isn't super slow we don't have anything that does it that's that makes it you know cost-worthy so we but we're doing it by putting it out it's even better than rent we talked about renting releasing a machine but by the time we put one of our guys on it and learning curve it's just easier to do this because don't forget we've also put just seasonal worker in there and so there's a person not in the budget and there's you know there's a lot of times you know on a lot of roads that we can do temporary greater you know ditches that work really well you know if you have to cut it once a year twice a year you know in some of those areas that might be not big problem areas that you can just go up and cut the greater ditch in but then there's other areas that you might have to go out to whatever Louisville and do some you know stone lining something like that so there's money in there the other thing we added was guardrail and then we did have a conversation I did with Ryan Slack sounds like he's sliding too with Ryan Slack after the meeting and he did say that he had some guardrail but they can't use the state because it's not necessarily good for you know highway I mean an interstate has a different need than we would need on a back road so I did tell Alan that he had some material there that he might be able to you know give to us if we need it so and again I think it's just kind of somewhere with a number you know when we set out a year or two ago of you know to be able to control our budget we need to understand it you know and to be able to kind of understand our budget we need to have different phases that we can tie money to and in the past it's been a catch all you know all the money you know they didn't code anything it just all of a sudden became oh well you spend you know hundred thousand dollars on that you know um and I think breaking it down then we can kind of track that and say you know maybe next year we say geez you know twenty thousand dollars for ditching it really only costs us twelve so we can adjust that you know that's the right number and we can kind of move for that or or we might find out that hey we got a lot more guardrail needs to be fixed or you know put a little money on that or something but there's so many of these you know catch all you know in the past I don't think we even know how much we were spending for guardrail or sweeping or tree cutting or you know at least if we can kind of phase these together exactly and the other thing in here too as we talked about is we added the thirty five thousand dollars for bridge repair which we know is not going to really repair a big bridge my hope is that we can level that that could be our match on us bigger structures grant we did talk a little bit about um and Alan I talked about watershed and um you know maybe just removing that bridge and and dead-ending that road so it doesn't connect into camp broke because that has a wing wall has an issue there I actually fire chief if that was a problem for him and honestly we have a turnaround there it should be a turnaround yeah because I can tell you from FEMA is you know I was going when I put the budget together I read that the um bridge inspections all of them for our bridges that we have to maintain and that's one thing that FEMA does too I know I've heard people say oh you know we're going to flood that bridge of the map that bridge comes out and FEMA is going to look at that report and they're going to be like yeah we're not going to give you a dime because you did not maintain it so you know they say there's no that bridge didn't come off or through Irene either no but it offset that the wing wall is and then we have and then we have several bridges that aren't structurally defective but have maintenance work that needs to be done to it yeah they might need to get power wash and and some of that over the special and some of that work is something that the public works department can do rather than having to outsource them I mean if they need to do some pressure washing or or fixing some decking or repairing some guardrail or something we can do that in-house rather than rather than wait for it to really go bad and the other thing two years and you know if you look at the public works budget it's it's up 12 percent but just say that 118,000 in here is to pay our e-wrap so that is our 12.5 percent of all of the damage not including Camelo or Keyvine but that's a you know that's a good number and and we got a lot of work done on those roads and you know for 118,000 so does that have to be paid off all in a certain time period or by a certain date yep they're gonna yeah it does I mean because next year we're gonna because a we're not gonna borrow anything for we signed that $1.4 million and so we have to pay it off because what happened is we're paying you know we're gonna get we started to already get some reimbursement back I tried to take a draw off from the line of credit basically to cover Camp Brook and that money has already been I put that in we should be here I've already heard back so they've submitted so we should be getting our money back that's a hundred but but you have to you don't have time you have to pay it off so yeah you have to I mean we don't have to pay it off in one year I mean we could take the 180,000 and take a note out and pay it over four years if you wanted to the only thing we have to be careful of is like we have 118,000 this year we still have three plus projects that are open that need to be done next year that could be just as much you know so if we don't start paying this off we could have payments for four or five years you know 40 year you know exactly the other thing that's in here too is the livery stable a bond you know storm drain payment of 41 537 and that's and I did Tim Mills and Audrey myself we're talking to Wayne or Mike Maynard from Aldridge and Elliot and we're and I talked to Rita to Rivers today she's back so we're working on writing a grant for the better back roads or they don't call better back roads we're not just better roads excuse me so but we if we get a word if we are winners of the ring we get $20,000 so you know better than a shark stick a man so I'm going to see a better budget Mike um he's going to submit something for us for the grant so that could be something I think that if you look at the budget we're saying it's off this budget would be down if it wasn't for you know paying off the e-wrap and the livery stable avon storm drain and I did put the pictures in there again for you to go over that and so I was mistaken so it's not it's adding new dropping lines and adding new pipe it is not upgrading old it's it's installing new so I drew on the pictures so that you could see that um so yeah we are going to have to go over a little ways you know further but yeah that's it you know and right now that water is just coming down into mainstream it's filling those drain you know storm drains and then the pictures running into the river anyway so it's something that the state is obviously trying to get you to avoid so it's one of those things you're in there and kind of made sense to pick it up so I mean I think the only thing that bugs me about the storm drains is I mean I'm all for thinking ahead and doing things and and taking advantage of well it's open but I think things that's on my mind is one the 190,000 is kind of a nobody really knows what that number is well I'm getting better I will have a budget from like um because I needed one for the grant so he was going to give me some more information we just had you know because they were so busy designing the water system that you know and obviously if you don't use it we won't spend it there's you know it's not like we're going to use this line item on something else but if we if we don't if the grant or if the work comes in less than that then then you know but my my whole thing is just you know right now with what we have in town that we you know we just retired long-term debt that we're going to be carrying for a very long time at 80 someone thousand a year yeah um we you know we have the E-Rap that we're bearing this year we're going to have another E-Rap next year and you know I know that storm drains probably should get done but we can't fix everything and this year or next year you know you know it's a harder pill to swallow when we're talking you know five-year payment if it was uh you know if it was a hey it's going to be 45,000 one year I mean that's a no-brainer but now you're thinking you got 40 maybe 41,000 dollars from the next five years we have an E-Rap coming next year that will we be able to bury the budget next year or will we have to pay that out over so many years and then we have the long-term debt we're paying on plus we're going to have the you know even though it's not tax related it's going to be utility you know that water increase um for that work so yeah yeah it's one of those things I mean it just to me you know obviously it makes sense to all of us in our logical brain because we're going to be there and have the road open and all that but I also understand the monetary aspect of it I don't think that right now we're looking at a bad budget but I also know possibly know a little bit more before the next budget meeting too because I'll have a bet you know something from Mike and we got the project too it was livery, avon, debt is more and one other anyway so we cut it too so um but I mean my whole thing is just it's not 190,000 estimate right now what is that versus I mean 190,000 if that number was correct on the dot 190,000 while we have it ripped open but how much is it if we don't have it ripped open is it 300,000 or is it 200,000 you know I mean what is the benefit for us to go through and ask the town's people for another two cents on the tax rate to put this in how much is it worth it to do it now which is I think for without that information I'm just not sold on it well I'm not sure I can give that information right now because they're still pushing hard to get our drawings right 90 percent so the engineer is working really hard to get the drawings done so it may be a question that I can't answer for you because of course I'm assuming that if we're mobilized people are mobilized you know that we're going to do better but what the difference would be between now and then I can't answer because I don't think we're going to get an accurate answer between now and going to the voters right I don't know what I'm going to find out between you know I'm going to find out from Mike this week because the grant application if we move forward with it okay if we move forward with it the grant application is due on Friday so you know it's one of those things I don't want to jump through all the boobs and do it and then not move forward with it either so I know it's not perfect solution it's just something to think about while we're there but anyways so so yeah so that is in here the question I did have for you all of you was and maybe ellie can answer this my understanding with the rec I'm putting in the skate park is that the select board had allotted $50,000 for the rec um you know out of the money to put in the skate park out of the fun but then the town rec promised $20,000 in kind so I had been under the impression the whole time that the in kind was equipment and labor but is that materials as well because if that's materials that we didn't put that in the budget it's not okay that was I just want to make sure so just equipment and hand power yeah because someone had said that it included materials and and I was like oh boy we did not budget for material so I just wanted to make sure if we had promised you that that we put it in here so that we could deliver it was they kind of was set up with key originally okay so um but so I'll double check on that but yeah because that's it do you remember it's boring was it do you think that it was just it was just helping out with some of the site work yeah I don't think it necessarily was us going in there with an excavator but it was more you know putting our trucks on the whole material out that kind of stuff but they call they'd given the number of 20 grand but I so I was a number in there yeah so it was just but I mean that was the first place for the first budget 150 revisions ago so yeah right you know it's 20,000 really 8,000 now or right well I want to be but that was based on a project of $8,000 yeah well I'm not sure because we were putting the budget together and put the materials I had not done that so I wanted to make sure no but Alan is obviously here so I don't know if you have any specific questions for Alan because I don't know he needs to be out on his route or the the other thing I just want to I don't necessarily want to adjust it right now but just we'll come back to it later but so I took I took the mileage of gravel roads that we have and I've been doing some research on how often how often you should add select material to to your roadbed surface which seemed to be about a five year cycle on adding I mean granted there's some roads that we have that haven't had material on it in a decade but corrective it seems like about every five or six years we should be adding some select material to that so I went through some calculations on mileage and you know if you put down you know anywhere from two to four inches at a time and then kind of backtracked it with today's figures on how much a load of stone goes for I came up with about 45,000 on the gravel budget to keep things maintained on a five year cycle and so I I kind of went back through a bunch of town reports and I found back in um back in the early 2010s we used to have a gravel budget of like 20,000 dollars in the town and then we had one year that we increased the gravel substantially to 36 40,000 and then we kind of never brought it back down it was supposed to be kind of a hump to do a big charge of roads and then we go back you know it was a catch up but we but we've kept that budget at 36,000 for some time now and never made any adjustments on it but um and and I know that we increased the gravel budget to 60 mainly on a we do have roads as we saw that need select material because we're just you know we're grading wedge we're grading you know round cobblestones and still but um but I think that there's room to move that down you know it would still be an increase it'd be an increase of 9,000 dollars from previous years on the gravel and would keep us in that five or six year cycle if we if we did it correctly every year um so just something to think about when we're at the so what's the number you're thinking I had 45,000 instead of 60 which would be an increase of 9,000 over our actuals have been a lot under 36,000 so we are well like we'll see I think we haven't been put in the gravel to the roads like we should have I think you'll see in the budget that we're in currently we've been spending a lot more gravel because we've been doing more flood repairs well we also had the gravel pit over on sand hill he had some cheap gravel for a while too yeah yeah so that was cheap gravel well I think there was you know I think there was looking back there was either years that either we had a very cheap source or we didn't or we weren't doing what we were budgeting for that down there was hauling gravel out of the pit here and then the one up in the lilywood so the other thing too is in that gravel budget is the fact that Alan is sitting on a bunch of material from um that we had came out from underline bridge as well as the pavement that came out of uh from campgrounds which needs to be crushed yeah do some crushing so that also and now there were basketball as well that I inherited so I'm like to get all that crushed yeah but you can throw that in with that I mean it's well that's what I'm saying that that was part of the 60,000 is also to pay you know McCuller whoever to come in and crush all that material too and I don't know what that is if you crush it well I see what you're saying crush that but your your costs are going to be like a third of what you normally would purchase it for right you know if McCullough comes in and crushes it for a 350 a yard you know that's you know that's six to eight dollars a yard cheaper than you're going to buy it from somebody right so then you're going to be able to think in five that's more material that you're going to be able to and I think some of it too is um Alan was saying right that the some of the stone that you got from under river uh line bridge you were thinking about to blend out with my blender sand so we have mine at that river stuff to my sample asphalt I would blend in with the you know hard pack so some of it will help stretch other things too so but um so that is something just so you're aware that that was in there as well as crushing all that old material plus you know not if he crushes a lot of that into stuff to make to the sand that's not going to get him braddle for the road you know not going to give him what he needs so we're still going to need he's going to need crushing and some and to purchase gravel too so um that's just something that Alan and I talked about today wanted to just remind everybody Chris on the next 45,000 if you're talking about forcing reduction and stuff that's it of course resurfacing the roads and stuff but we talked about just doing one road at a period of time or we talked about some on this road and some on that road I just took I just took the the mileage of gravel roads that we have in the town and I just figured it on an average of 18 feet wide so if you if you have this many miles of road and this is how many tons or yards per mile it takes you to do it and you know in that cycle and then back that out on how much it costs us currently to purchase material locally and then you know divide that by five and you know that's kind of how I came up with my number but I mean there's going to be some cases like us having some material up there and if we bring in a crusher yeah it's going to cost us upfront money to bring the crusher in but in the long run that's going to save us 60 cents on the dollar yeah so your budget shouldn't go up just to crush it should actually in some cases go slightly down right and but we reason I mean I had just pulled this number out of the air I just grabbed a number because we had been talking about you know I've driven every road at this point in Bethel so we were talking about the fact that we had braided down to the enough and that we needed material so but again we got to get on a you know we got to get on that five six year cycle because we can't afford to do them all next year I mean just not the way it's going to go yeah absolutely yeah so um so that's why I just wanted to I'm just I just want you know just get it out there there is the opportunity there once we're looking through the budget if we need to you know take a little way there that's an option and then just to highlight in the budget so normally we have the 30,000 under the cemeteries normally we have the 30,000 in there which is the most part just you know maintenance in the cemeteries it's not doing anything else other than cut the grass and a couple other small things but there is some some one-time maintenance that needed to happen that we have included in here which was there was 5000 for the fence and Fairview and then it says five on here but it's 15 well it was going to be but I spoke to and then 5000 for the board building some of the walls back on the cherry hill and I double checked with him he said hey you know what trees we only need five for the fence and five people because he had met with them and gone over the price to redo the cherry hill and he's like I don't need to redo the whole wall I just made pieces of it so he felt it would be the additional 10 would be right so there's a $10,000 increase over years past just to do some of those one-time fixes and so that was a savings of 5000 from last week when or two weeks ago when we looked at it and so that's in there as well but so it was a reduction which is nice and as you can see the backhoe and international are paid off so I just increased the money to put it back into the highway equipment trust fund which is where it needs to be so that's not a change so so that's you know with the numbers we have in there it's a 12.7% increase over last year but if you take out the if you don't do livery stable or if you take out the well even if you take out just the you wrap it's it would be under last year yeah so absolutely absolutely so um that's right but Alan is here so if you have any specific questions about anything now is the time to ask Alan on the equipment we talked you know we went through the process of talking about a truck and decided to put some money at the repairs on the existing how's that is that those repairs completed everything's been done and done any uh spreader for about one time waiting on part did we get an estimate on what the greater back in still waiting for a guy to come in down from my north tracks for oil samples and that's kind of how they judge the value of the not only visually how it looks rossed and whatnot and beat up but they also do the oil samples to see internally hydraulics how if there's metal shavings it kind of gets him an idea of the way on the machine so yeah and so still waiting on this guy Liam supposed to be coming down maybe this week so once he comes down a little more information and I have as I said before a few people that are volunteered to be on the equipment committee so we're going to do that we'll be the select board liaison and then um that way the purchases will go in front of the committee and kind of get hashed out before they come to select board to be blessed um so that's so we're just waiting before I'm not going to call the committee together to get everybody together until we know what the answer is about that and then we can go from there and kind of work with them with the existing on capital equipment plan try to see where we can tweak and what's what anything else for now on the public works I mean we can at the end we can talk about any of the items once we get through the whole budget yeah absolutely um so next up we had fire department so I did make a change to the fire department budget between this week and between now and a few weeks ago which I had done payroll which I hadn't yet done for the fire department so I needed to I had put 25,000 in there but after doing the payroll I was able to lower it to 20,000 so it's only an increase of 2.26 over last year and you know I know I could see the history here and that we haven't always um hit the wage number that we have budgeted for but you have to remember you know we have no say over what you're going to get for calls you know what their call volume is it could be up you know and then that's the thing about budgeting for 18 months out I caution everybody not to cut everything can't cut everything good enough because if something goes wrong and our crystal ball's cloudy then we don't have any place to get the money from so that's why I dropped it from 25 to 20 that seemed to be in line with what he had done in the past and the payroll this time was under 18 or was about 18,000 so um so you can see that we've made some uh Dave's made some deals here he's you know Comcast is coming in and we're going to get a free phone line um there's some new we need they need to update some radio some pagers uh a new fire program for their software because they have to be reporting to to niefers right because in order to be in compliance they have to report to niefers and also with their FEMA you know grant because um and and we also have um a grant match in here for FEMA grant match because um we're doing another one and applying for a hundred thousand dollars for compressor and the cascade system so they were successful last time you know Gary was and ended up bringing in a lot of a lot of um like would you spend like less than six grand that you got a hundred and some a thousand dollars Dave worth of equipment yeah so um I think I've tried you know gone through and explained that you're here you can see what all the percentages are and um so Teresa on the heat so is that just the low number of 221 is just because we've started the eating yeah just yeah exactly cut the heat off for balance and budget there well Dave probably does eat the heat off over there as much as he can just put your jacket on you'll be fine that's right fire department who has radiant heat which is nice so he doesn't have those you know it definitely you know kind of maintains I know we had to have a little work done on this this year but the only thing is you'll notice is um putting in instead of the 3000 last year putting in five thousand dollars you know obviously it makes sense for us to you know which we haven't done in the past is maintain the buildings we have so so you can get the backside of this building done and I think that's important a it's important to maintain we have they already paid for it and be it's right you know when you come into town it is the nice it's a nice building to see when you come in so I don't know if anybody has any specific questions for Dave like I said I do try to put some detail off to the side so you know so I'm assuming that all the all the diesel that is used for the trucks is all under the highway department that's how it works yeah what we do is so you don't separate out like the fire department use we do $10,000 diesel or something or yeah okay we get fuel goes on with separate sheets for each truck and then trees breaks it all down okay no I just didn't see it in the budget so yeah fire department has their sheets um town has theirs that's under gas oil and lubricants yeah really they only spend $1,800 a year yeah they don't spend a ton of money they don't have a separate line for diesel and so I build them twice a year um usually I would think it would be a lot higher I mean heck you just fill up one of those trucks that probably what 500 bucks or something just for a fill up really amazing huh and so no we keep track of his and the constables oh I just assumed gas oil and lubricants was like this heat change that's the place and stuff that don't yeah we are getting all the gas through the town you have them all free now okay I mean one thing that we probably ought to be careful of a little bit on the diesel under things is um with the turn of the year internationally they're having um the all the all the ships through I don't know what pact it is but all the all the big ships now are going to be burning non-sulfur fuel um which could which well they have until the first of the year and then they switch it over to non-sulfur burning fuel for all the big ships cargo ships tankers all that which which what that's going to do is it's going to end up creating um a higher demand for non-sulfur fuel which is what we burn um so the likelihood is that those prices on the market are going to go up you're probably going to see a jump in the diesel under things something to think of I don't know I don't think anybody really knows what it's going to do but no but it's that's good to know because I think I did increase the budget of diesel because we were at 58 and then um even though we were budgeting 50s we were at 58 and we're already at 18 and we had 54 so I'll make a note we might want to seriously consider you know upping that just something to think of but I mean I'm just looking through it that's I'll make a little note here but so after the fix in the backside of the fire station what do you have many more projects or nothing was ever done um all knows about Windsor one it was a product that was put out 20 something years ago that was the best thing ever made it was prime clear pine all finger joined it together it was an absolute failure and that's what we've slowly been replacing all the trim around it with a new pvc one that will last forever doesn't rot so so probably after next year then that yeah there's just a little north side so are we thinking after that will the facility maintenance be might go back to three I mean you're always last I mean do we have a handle on what the normal building maintenance I mean three year was there where they should a small amount no matter what it should be should be rolled into something because you may not spend any year but there's going to be years where you know you much have to replace an overhead door right yeah all of a sudden one door behind the ball right so to me that's an area of putting a smaller amount away in the future in just I don't know how that works as far as building it a little fun when we do have a capital building fun right now and um you know we're just looking at a lot of ease it has stuff in the town hall as you know obviously we're working on the plan for the new town garage and salt shed and time to all those if you had something big that's where we would get the money but it makes sense to budget you know at least three thousand because if you needed something you know if you had a window broke if you had something with a door if you had you know um something like that that you know you had something interior that went wrong you need to replace the toilet or sink or and I went through this building today actually and I think it's a good thing to do to go through the fire station and what do you need to something inside you can't it doesn't need to be you know we need to maintain these things yeah yeah the power bed finally went that's a thousand dollars but it's been there since the station we built so we got our money's worth out of it yeah I think it's just important that we do you know routine maintenance it's like you know we would our homes or whatever so I think Chris probably next year I mean depending on what we see there it'll probably go to three I think it's at five this year we didn't increase it that much but we knew we needed to do the boxes and I think Therese you might have told me already but what was the change in the insurance on the equipment we actually left the fire department left the LCT and went to to VFIS which is an insurance company that specializes for fire departments so it ended up doing a couple of really good things for us one is um covers if um you know fire fighter has an accident their own personal vehicle um and it also provides them with additional coverage once their insurance company covers it also the LCT only pays for a portion of your fire truck so say um like brand also yeah your fire station burns down you have three trucks in there you don't come out as well I should thank you you know they have a number in mind the ones that's been depreciated and you either can buy one towards that or they can go buy a new one and all of a sudden you're looking at several loan payments so the thing is with the FIS is it actually covers more of the vehicle so it was specifically designed for fire departments I think it was a it's definitely a smart choice for us to move it gives them the coverage um that they need um for being first responders and also gives us better coverage on it on the uh the trucks themselves once we decide to go that way the LCT they also asked us to take our workers off with us too so we did that which wasn't increased but so we're like well if you're going take this so the building is still covered itself by the LCT but the apparatus and firefighters are covered better through the FIS so it ended up being a really good choice so on the apparatus repairs and maintenance yeah ten five but so far this year nothing's going against that that's it's something that hasn't been done in the past all the service work was done locally and we started putting everything into a program all the trucks now have been going we just brought them all down the sable and sands for a full legitimate safety inspections and it's the first time something like that's been done in a while through somebody that's certified so we're going to start seeing a little bit of cost there but it's only a little bit now which is the way i want to see it again it's one of those things where you're great until we lose a pump or something a pump is ten thousand dollars you know that's always that same pandora's box but um we just started on the truck maintenance thing two of the trucks have gone down so far and the other two will be going down uh he one had to go back down again get a new exhaust because it didn't meet standards or inspection and there was some brake issues that they straightened out so the other the tanker and the tanker pump are both brand new pretty much but they still need to be inspected every year and i don't just mean an inspection pull-on safety inspection and don't forget to refudge it um that's something that we put in the budget and this only goes through november i haven't updated this since the beginning of november by the expenses but is we had um put in money so that their pumps could be pump tested which is something that they had not been done in the past and that that's a big red flag for us we need to keep on top of that because he's right if you could see it in that in the annual pump testing if we could you know either i don't know take the lhs or whoever's doing it at the time and have somebody will come over and do pump inspections for them too so another thing is obviously these you know they're driving three hundred thousand dollar vehicles so you know we need to maintain them especially because right now with capital plan i think we put together last year we were looking at replacement on apparatus of 25 to 30 years which is tough because especially their trucks a lot of times they sit and so in some of that stuff is you know specialized so it's definitely more expensive for um you know some of the things to be done the communication part too that's that's uh that's a mix of quite a few things it's also our we all get notified on our phones now through a program through e-dispatch but it's really the first time in a long long time that the fire department has asked for any money all the radio system we have right now except for a few pagers we got on grants so the towns never really had to spend any money on communications we've been very fortunate but now we have we're really getting down on pagers and the way cell services as you know we can't rely on just phones that's what we're running into so um then the same with portable radios and interestingly a portable radio cost almost double what a truck radio cost but the smaller it is the more it is so we're trying to bump that back up a little bit to get back on track and it's hard too because they're not that you used to be able to get grants for pagers and stuff like that they're not doing anymore that's pretty rare for us to do that so um so that's something that's all that's been one of my yeah we have a few years ago our phone bill was outrageous if you go back and look in the town report it was five six thousand dollars a year and i discovered that we were still paying for phone lines all over the town of bevel for the red phone system that hadn't been used in decades but we still had phone lines coming into all the buildings so we eliminated all of that but they still nail us on they called a dedicated line for the alarm system at the fire station and that's almost two hundred dollars a month for a phone line so we're trying to work with Comcast right now and we've decided to do away with the line in the fire station that goes to our phone because we never used everybody has cell phones nobody calls the fire station and then they're going to give us one free phone line and we can use that for the alarm system and then we still have to buy one more because you have to have a two three four number to call for a fire now i bet it's been a decade since anybody's called that number but the law says you still have to have it so i'm hoping to cut the phone bill at least in half when we get through all this different adjustments and and like i said his budget's up just two percent which you know again it's holding another five thousand dollars which um you know if the five thousand dollars if we are lucky if they're lucky again you know they will have brought in over two hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment for twelve grand so you know it's a good situation so that's what the five is in there for and obviously if if we're not successful with the grant the only way that five grand to be used is for some other grant match but they would obviously come for the board calling the grant policy to secure that funding so did i read that right the the radios are a thousand dollars a piece work the majors are five hundred dollars radios are expensive yeah we at my company we just work we call them flag radios but just the normal you know they might cover two three miles and those radios are like 800 bucks a piece that's about these irons yeah yeah expensive yeah yeah yeah i mean i bought radios when i was hunting cattle if i could talk to people in chelsea to depend on where you are yeah yeah but i could talk more than two or three miles anywhere yeah four hundred fifty bucks well it doesn't depend now so i obviously when i bought not gonna work right that was probably a different rating you know you can drop it in the water and it's not gonna it's all sealed so it won't short out do you do buy like your own frequency and stuff like that as well or yeah we we have money in there to pay right for your own battle environment share a frequency yes so we have our own yeah is there i mean i mean thinking out of the box and i don't know if you can or not but it with with the technology that's out there is there any opportunities to i mean everybody has a cell phone everybody has certain communication devices is there any opportunities to do away with certain pieces of a communication and you know like let's like a pager into things is there any well let's see that we tried with with this e-dispatches which is the phone yeah that's what we tried but it really all it does is they enhance each other because some places the pager works some places it doesn't right some of the people that just have the phone if there's no service they don't get the call you know it's it's uh so it's like they compliment each other yeah i just didn't know if like you know i mean everybody pretty much has a smartphone i mean if you maybe if you offered instead of buying it might not work but instead of buying there's no pagers we give everybody a kind of allowance towards their phone you know or something you know and everybody is on a department that has a smartphone no matter what brand does is on the e-dispatches which what that does is it tells me it's like getting toned out and they can also listen to the whole call as they're going but you can't communicate back on that technology is not there and then the radios that we do have they aren't a single band radio either i mean there's probably 72 channels and at different banks and that's where it starts to get you know so we go to every other town you know it's different frequencies and i know we had talked about a little bit i didn't see anything i mean it's probably hard to bunch it for but you know there are times that we we do go on calls to you know maybe out in the interstate for a commercial truck that has jackknife any what we say is there opportunities to bill some of these any commercial accounts we bill yeah anything non-commercial they don't pay and not only that where i struggle with that is if you got in an accident in randolph and the randolph fire department came to help you would you like to get a bill from randolph fire department you know but commercial i have insurance we have but the insurances won't pay no we've never we've tried and tried and tried but when it comes to non-commercial they will not i mean if you wanted to hire a lawyer and maybe dog after it you could but the commercial accounts anything commercial we have been billing and we have been very successful on that so do we have a because i i didn't see it in the revenue but is there any you know maybe we don't have enough of history and on but maybe something to think about it's so remiss but what i usually do sometimes i just offset their expenses with it so if um we get the money back then i offset their salary line because they paid him to go out on the call and i think last time i actually took the equipment money that came in and put it into their capital account and but no we got a letter back and i'm going to call a couple of our residents okay it's all set by the government what you can charge for each shot each person yeah we tried to know i just didn't know if we had enough data to or how we went about counting three times yeah anything commercial we're sent we send a a bill out yep but i don't know i just offset their expenses and then the equipment money i put in their equipment fund because okay anything further on the fire department for now and constable department so we talked about the cruiser and this is what i got and i haven't seen oscar in person more for more than two minutes so i didn't email him today and i want to see him but it says uh the cruiser may need a water pump and has undetermined front end issues so he felt like we should keep it up we should put you know some money in there so i put three grand in and he's been doing this i know he's all set for tires but um that was what he said he felt like there was some shaking in the front end he wasn't sure what it was um and yeah obviously if the water pump goes then that's a bigger deal so he just was trying to put the money in there uh so the labor budget is still at 20 hours a week um so do we know do we know what's happening with send him an email today tell him that i need to want to know what schedule is i need to see him um i saw him last week for a couple minutes i just said no your future employment bevel hinges on your schedule so we need to know what you plan on doing in royalty so that is still undetermined at this point i don't know so really at this point the only increase is on the constable and the thing is the is the insurance on equipment which changed quite a bit some retirement benefits and um and then a little bit extra for the cruiser you know or kind of the big ticket items no i added um i think the only thing new was uniforms for $500 in there um increased the training budget a little bit but in the auto insurance i just got the bill and so i was able to i asked her for the break down so i would facture so i was trying to do that easier to make sure everybody's paying their share it looked like he was under paying so i reallocated some money to that so that's really it and but at this point i don't know what you know the whole thing could change it could be goes to 10 or 12 or 15 hours of course the tough thing with you know with having any type of any department but you know when you get into the law enforcement is you know all the red tape and policy and procedures that you gotta follow that you know for many years that either we didn't take for account here may have been paying it anyways but or now are recently coming into effect i mean i remember when we got rid of the Tahoe you know we had to update a lot of things and you know you can no longer have the vhf you know recording device it had to be digitally you know this and that and i think we're starting to find out how expensive it is and will continue to be to have a professional it is a semi-professional service you know because of all the red tape that yeah it is expensive you're right and you know people are surprised at the price tags even if you look at a small department like Randolph or or or anything it is expensive and we have been so yeah and there's definitely as we go we need to work out some however i will see issues and things like that i mean i will say because i've been looking around i mean compared to other towns of our size are our costs to patrol our areas significantly less than most you can look at some of our neighboring towns that are the same size or if not smaller that they pay out a lot more you know some of these sounds like you know i was looking at one town that's not really much bigger than us and they have three full-time police officers and it's like wow you know i mean so i mean i will say that we're doing well i don't think we've really even changed much over the years yeah other than you know things are more expensive now yeah yeah but i mean we had the Tahoe for you know i mean we used to have the you know 15 20 year old pieces of equipment you know i mean no different the fire station i mean we have the you know the 1960 pump truck you know i mean i mean you know those are the things that yeah it's true no you're absolutely right it is expensive and and but anyways that's the budget there so once i see him i'll have a little more and the recreation budget was next you can see where i made a couple changes um like i said i had gone through and actually calculated the wages based on you know hours and yeah it might come in a little less than that but we'll see we also know we're going to have part-time finding lifeguards this year so that salaries could change um i did try to put some notes in here about what's what um under um you can see repairs and maintenance um that's up a lot i tried to give you a little bit of information here that you know what we need flatters some shelving some old convention materials and um so i did try to put that in here a little bit i know the programming activities we budgeted 3600 so we're hoping to do build on those family fun Fridays that everybody really liked and uh to do one in january february and april myself and dietri and lindley sat down and we're talking about that how to you know the nice beautiful hall and and um lindley and lily have a beautiful space too and you know trying to find a way to um you know give people some more people downtown be nice and i mean even though the budget year-over-year proposed budget is it's it's up less than four thousand dollars but you also have to take an account on the revenue end of things the revenue is up two thousand so you know their budget really is only up two thousand dollars yeah um and then i guess that the one thing that was open for discussion was the um through the through the budgeting the recreation department had had asked for five thousand dollars to put into the um recreation facility fund no i think she actually she's standing up i think she asked for 15 or 10 or 15 we are so encouraged with all the good feedback that we've gotten from the trails people are we've done hard work there and and have been at such positive reinforcement that people are love loving the trail the first trail from the center to the um to the school so the committee would like to request 15 thousand for the improvement fund with five thousand you're marketed to go specifically for trails yes that's what we'd like to request for this year i know i had a call from that doctor about the stretch from getting i had a chance to call him back but i need to because i had some questions for him about um i guess with the trails that maybe he was running into some issues with um act 250 so i didn't email him and then he had me he asked me to call him and i just i just didn't get a chance to i'm open to call him tomorrow to find out what's exactly not as she was well do you know the grant that you guys are applying for right now yeah it's it's december 17 right and specifically for the trails do you know the amount no i don't know the amount and um and i do know that um i do know other towns are applying like sharing is applying for and stuff like that and and i do know that the person who worked on this first trail is not available until 2020 so but um and i don't know the amount i do know that um because it's that it's december 17 and we would hear by february if we got any money and it would be um rewarding um it would be rewarded in june first but the thing about it is that we we have to print the money and then they would reimburse us yeah which is the case in most all places so i do know that's that's how that's right and i can find out i'll ask that when i talk to him because i want to find out what the active 50 issue is that you think it's an issue i'm it's a big issue starting into a lot of ass is really struggling with it um a lot of other bike trail systems are really struggling with the state's decided it's bad for business it's yeah right it is we never had that we never had to do that before yeah i did my emails with that was you know let's talk about this because active it's not cheap process to get through years to figure that out the governor has been trying to work on it for the past two years but he hasn't gotten anywhere so yeah so we'll see what then i'll find out from him what the situation is now i know when the recreation facility fund was started um after the master plan was formulated the base amount for that fund was ten thousand dollars and then i know there's been years that we've increased and there's been years that we've decreased but the ten thousand is kind of the baseline funding towards the overall picture and you know trails are included into that you know what the master plan was on on that so i mean i know that like you want to use five thousand for the trails and then put another ten thousand in the fund but we also right now in that fund we have seven we have a considerable amount of money in that fund i just i was looking at tonight i printed out so you know you have whatever fifty thousand of its earmark for the skate park if it happens but you have another twenty five thousand in there to cut trails or so could we put up a basketball court or so could we earmark five thousand somewhere for the trails look that's what i'm saying if you have seventy five thousand dollars in your recreation account that that account was established to go towards the master plan of the recreation facility so what the voters had had wasn't a formal vote but had agreed upon your committee is tasked with formulating that plan and paint and and we as the select board it puts put aside the money for that so right now you have seventy five thousand dollars it's sitting in that account so which is supposed to go towards that plan and if you look at that plan that includes you know skate park the tennis sports the trails those things like do if we get five thousand for trails and not say oh no we no you can't use that well the trails weren't part of them were the trails part of the master plan no yes oh they were oh yeah there was part in there so i mean i guess what i'm saying is there's so aside from the skate park that may or may not happen there's twenty five thousand extra dollars that are sitting in there for your committee to manage towards the next pieces plus you'll get another ten so you'll technically have thirty five thousand if you use five for the trails and you have a balance of thirty you just want to make sure that that if if we ask for five thousand that that that that it could come out from the ten you know no you have to ask they have no authority over the over the um capital funds so the only one who can spend in funds out of capital funds are select boards so if they want to make a request they could come in and make a request but that's right it's already involved yeah so it changed absolutely well it has revolved it has been amended it has evolved yeah i mean i i guess i can't sit here and tell you a hundred percent that if you come to the board next year that they're going to give you five thousand dollars because who knows who knows we may not be here you know it may be a whole new people you know but but the intent is that the money that is in that fund goes towards the master plan because the wording for that was also you know wasn't just specifically for the master plan like we replaced the pump in the pool i mean the wording of it because i've gone back and we went when greg was here read the wording of that article so it does cover you know also to the pool you know maintenance and stuff but um but there but if the select word means that we've been a part of this last year they said that that was for the master plan you know this is part of your master plan yeah yeah so that's why we wanted to ensure that you know at least if we you know that we can get that five thousand we can get five thousand and come to you and say no yeah we have to do that's gotta stay in there for something else i mean as far as i'm concerned as long as i'm on the board if it goes towards the master plan then i will be behind it because that's what the voters want um but if you come to me and say you want five thousand dollars to put in a water part then that changes things you know at that point but you know i mean so it changes because that's not what the voters voted on and you know we have to go through that process but in the thing there it says thirty dollars was spent spent as of 1118 what was the thirty dollars it was probably a coding error i'd have to go back and look i can't tell you here i don't have your whole detail but i shouldn't be in there because it was probably just a coding error because i i just it says thirty so i just i see yeah i don't have to go back and look but anything for thirty bucks shouldn't have come out of that oh yeah thank you um and then my question is there's a new line item called retirement yes yeah so can you explain of course yep i hired deetry to work um as finance clerk as well so she works for the town of Bethel now for 30 hours a week so she works um uh monday through for the most part when she gets going here she's going to work monday through thursday so she works some of her hours come out of the rec budget and some of her hours come out of the um town managers you know finance budget so um we have to be once you are an employee like that a regular scheduled employee um we belong to the vs visors which is the state retirement fund and it's mandatory so she has to participate in it so her before when she was a seasonal employee it didn't matter but now that she's no longer seasonal um so she's she's been hired not to be seasonal she has been hired as a year-round employee yes as a year-round employee okay that that that is good to know because um basically no and and i know that you're right to do but um just it to be transparency and to be upfront with the town's people and everything um you know there might be questions that come up with that because the committee never knew that that that was happening it wouldn't matter but it wouldn't matter to the committee yeah because her duties at the rec facility have not changed and in order they have that they're not and you don't oversee her as an employee right so the problem is as soon as she became a full-time employee would do work at the office she now becomes eligible or to participate in all the functions which happens to affect yeah because you're the only one of them that you guys really a gang recommendation to the board about is just that specific practice only proof the rest of your budget is decided by awesome so well um I do uh no and that's good to clarify that's what's happening so that we're not we're not um you know in in um wondering about it or not you know it's just it's it's good to um know what's what so so you know and not to have things happen that were you know the town or other people are not aware of yeah that's why I'm bringing it up because uh you know it just when people look at it as a big budget and they say oh this is a surprise what happened oh yeah I'll be happy to answer that yeah how much is the retirement um it's uh right now it's the town the employee paid 6.65 percent so how much can I get out of the budget it's like 1700 dollars yeah definitely yeah the town pays 13 so out of this budget it took out yeah 1789 yeah and and I'm not aware that we're just doing the improvement from the committee because um way back when when Keith was um town manager there were some questions with the committee and Keith and and the slack board so that um because we used to um uh um recommend lifeguards we used to interview lifeguards we used to you know do all that kind of stuff I know things have been changing that way and um and um so um because there was um questionable things and misunderstandings and stuff like that that the um the uh slack board and the committee and the administration worked on a new mission statement and and I don't know if maybe I have the wrong mission statement I've never seen it so um but um but um and if this mission statement is not correct that we came up with then you know um thank you I would I would um I I don't mind being corrected but but um but I Louis settled on this with um the administration and the committee and um the slack board and and so there is more than just that we have to work on well I'll take a look at it and um and uh yeah and I've never seen it yeah well this is what we came um worked on together what like I said with the administration slack board and and committee and um came up with a new because we were not going to be interviewing lifeguards anymore we were not going to be doing um a lot of the things that the committee did and we you know whatever so I just wanted to be upfront and make sure that we're on the same wavelength and things are not happening that we don't know or that we that we um are trying to do yeah it's I'll take a look at it because I just said a quick glance it definitely needs to change because yeah but so that's no problem I'll take a look at it I appreciate you sharing this because if we're having different lines it's it's not we are so that's good I do yeah it's it's not fair to right I think one thing that um well kind of on the topic of the fund itself but I think we're at the point where we need to get from the committee a a roadmap of the the game plan of the stages in which things are going to be built over there and just like we do with you know if if we're going to buy a firetruck we show that it costs us $400,000 over this period of time and it shows us you know the revenue coming out of the revenue going in and where the overlaps are at and right now I just feel like we're we're putting money into a fund and you know after this we'll have $85,000 in there but the roadmap is kind of foggy um and I want to make sure that one that we don't underfund it but we don't overfund it as well because right now we're kind of just you know like I said we're putting $10,000 in because that was kind of the baseline but does 10 really need to be 25 or does it need to be zero because how much more dollars is it going to take to do the master plan in over how many years is this going to take us so we can plan for this because you know we're trying to get rid of those you know the spikes and valleys we're trying to get the bell curve so if it's going to if we have $75,000 in there right now and you say we've done all our research the total for the master plan is going to be $200,000 then we know over the course of x amount of years that we can put 20 grand a year in and then it kind of balances out because we don't want to have to go to the voters all of a sudden and say like the year we did to the skate park we went from 10 to 40 we need $40,000 you know that jump is it's two pennies on the tax rate it's a big jump you know so we want to try to avoid that but it just doesn't seem like we have an understanding of what the map looks like into grants and we keep working on grants and stuff you know and we we want to the next year look into the land water conservation grant that we didn't get last year and they're not doing it this year so the state isn't doing it it's not available this year so we want to look into that we want to look into somebody we're filling up the water the other morning so that that's going bank we love to give money away we didn't know that and but terace you know what i'm talking about like any of our funds that we have right now so if you go look at yeah you know the capital improvement fund then you're going to see that you know okay in 2020 2025 we're going to build this building so right now we're putting money in because we know this building's going to cost x and we've never gotten anything from the recreation department showing what the plan's going to cost us in what coming years and what should we be putting in there and basically we well at the start we thought the pool house would be in two years it was four years right so it's a moving it's a moving target so our timeline our timeline is you know just changing because we're not experts on when we can do that and when you know we're just volunteers and we don't have that expertise but if we can do she's coming in January they'll have some numbers back you know better escape park and that'll help her too is once she knows okay and next year they're definitely going to build a skate park that that's going to help her too she'll be able to say okay this is what's going to cost this is what i have left you know then the next thing we'll be able to look at is you know the joint you know whatever basketball slash skating rink or whatever's next you could look at those things and kind of see okay what's the cost for that but you're right i mean we definitely have a capital plan just like we do proper things so i can that way we can properly fund it and again this is money that is tucked aside for really that intent building that does the rest maybe have a plan of the project not even the money i mean well there's a master plan that shows what yes what the layout of the yeah property and it has been changed because of different well i think it'll always change you know i get that and we did we did we had and we pretended to the town at a town meeting we talked about it we had posters we had all those kind of things um years ago but it says right now with every fund well pretty pretty much every fund we have like if you i'll use a simple one if you look at the cruiser replacement fund that we did last year right so we have we can show it on a spreadsheet that you know that two years from now we're going to buy the new cruiser and it shows every year we put the $5,000 in and then we're going to get to said year that we have 15 in it and the cruiser is going to cost us 14 let's say you know or you know so we know where that's coming and we know that we're properly putting the right amount of money and we just i don't want to get in a position where all of a sudden let's say the skatepark goes right in and we do another thing and now we're ready for something else and we'd be like well we don't have any money or or we have to go to people and say hey we need $50,000 to build this you know once we once we finish a project then we go looking for money and oh for you know grants and stuff and and then we figure out how much the tennis courts are going to cost and we don't come and then what we do is we figure out how much the tennis courts are going to cost and then we figure out what kind of grants we can give for that and then we receive but it also it also gives us as the board yeah yeah um timeline that we can follow up and say hey it looks like you're off a year what's going on because i i mean right now like last year we put 10,000 in there i think we just threw it in there and yeah this year we're throwing 10,000 in there and you know is it is it a worthwhile 10,000 or should we be putting more i mean i think any of us here know what we should be putting in there that's why you said 15,000 this year but but for instance if you said 15,000 i understand that fives going for the trails yeah but what's what's the hierarchy of the rest of the money going towards and when is it gonna be spent exactly yeah so so i just anyways that's just kind of it's kind of almost um you know like if somebody wants to get on to a committee or off a committee we ask for a letter right yeah letter to get on letter to get off take deal it's kind of the same thing we're going to have a fun we need to be able to show the taxpayers that this is the game plan this is how much is going in this is how much is coming out so that we can be transparent well i'm just saying there's likelihood that someone's going to stand up the town meeting day and say oh yeah oh 10,000 more is going in we've heard about the skate parks not happening right how much money do you have in your account which they'll know because i want to stay on there why should we give you more money you know right but that money going in you said it's not for the skate park so that's why we're going to no but i'm just saying overall somebody i know it's like and if they pose that question to me i'm not going to be able to answer it and i would like to be the one to say like last year with the fire department i could i could go through and say it's for this this and that but if they ask me i'm gonna i don't know that's why like this year is to get up and count our group 50,000 we had fundraiser we had a little back money so we have about 60,000 and that's what we're working with and with the contract so so that's where we're at but get ready for the tough questions because they're coming yeah yeah guarantee yeah they're coming um and i have one more um and that is um to dill it's probably not reflected in the budget but but um but because um and that question is at the very end of the recreation center um there's a ditch you talked about ditches earlier yeah um uh apparently um there's a problem with the area where the swing set is yeah there is and and and so um so it's wondering if that's in the budget to do something about that because i did i you know people the thought process was that the logging operation years ago did something that messed up the ditch so that the area and the swing set floods so much that that it doesn't dry up until mid-june and see where uh plans to move the swing set and that's where the skateboard park is going well we're gonna deal with all the runoff from the mountain and stuff in that field when we um you know when you put in a skate park so i figured we'd take care of the other issue at the same time so oh yeah and the guys will take care of it in kind so yeah i think all right who weren't with my story because i did um you know um see that um the thought was that to maybe clean out the ditch every two years or so and then have have a you know some way that water can run down path yeah maybe behind hedgehogs or behind gw or something so there's yeah so we'll deal with it with that in that in kind so i figured one because i think we have an issue up there with for the skate park but anyway is we're gonna have to do some training there so right we'll deal with it okay as part of that in the mold yeah thank you yeah that's my okay thank you very much thank you thank you so parks in public places so uh there's just the changes in the wages you can see i put the 27.5 percent just i i went back and was trying to do a realistic on looking at past time cards and how much time was actually being spent where now that i need the bowling schedule and how many weeks a year and how many days a week for that those amount of weeks i recalculated um how much went into public works how much goes into parks and how much goes into water sewer um so that's why there's an increase there in in wages um just trying to make sure that the allocated so that the public works departments get imposed by paying too much or you know so everybody's paying their share of actual work um we dropped the maintenance a little bit um we did leave in bob and Sheila Taylor we talked about that and you said to leave that in so i did um so there's a an increase in the budget and part of it is you know the estimate from um bob and Sheila and then you know the rest was based on you know and the mowing and stuff and the wages that all kicks off obviously social security Medicare retirement all that health insurance all kicks off the same percentage so but that's definitely a more accurate representation of the wages versus i think last year i had i want to say 15.6 percent and um so it just wasn't accurate of what he was working there so okay any questions of that so that difference in the number comes out of the other two places right a little bit here a little bit here it reduced a little bit in public work so a little bit more went in parks and then a little bit more water so i was trying to now once i knew that he was mowing three three and a half days a week how many summer i kind of was able to come in with a sharper number there now i did notice that the insurance it was insurance line that had been 2000 in the past and looks like not a lot actually hits it so what is that insurance for is that for like the van shell building yeah some of it exactly it's for buildings and yeah their premium was is exactly like that it's like 20 it's ridiculously low because it's just the zebo they know if we were missing something no just i don't know how yeah they had a bigger number there was a bigger number there but i went back and reworked it and and um when i got the insurance this last week or two and and um because you can get the breakdown from the lct as to whom covers what and then i was like this needs to drop so that's pretty much for like the van shell yeah is there any other building or does that cover like the gazebo yeah because the whole general liability policy i think just goes falls to the other part of the general fund but those were for the actual building so that's an increase there but that's why that's also why there was a part of the increase in the highway budget too was because there were savings there as well at the other side of the salary so okay and municipal office so that budget's down almost 10 so obviously it was a savings in insurance um and um just a savings in by not bringing somebody in full time so i did i do also think that out of maintenance of the building i think that we could cut that from 65 to five um i did talk to someone about how what the cost of the window is going to be um and obviously doing bigger things like any insulation or remediation and i just mailed the samples of the insulation away so we'll find out what that is because we took samples of insulation in that upstairs me attic because if it's zonalite they will pay for like 50 percent of the remediation so we're just trying to find that out but those would be bigger expenses which can come out of the capital fund so by just doing some painting cleaning replacing the window and doing some other stuff i think that i'm just gonna cross that make that number to go from 65 to five so you'll see a savings another additional savings of 1500 bucks right there and i know we were talking that you know when we get back in session um probably after town meeting day we'll start working a little harder on the uh like public works building and we had talked about that public works was priority then you know obviously the town office wouldn't be priority so there was a list of to-do lists for the town office to bring it up to speed for yeah 10 or 15 years i mean for the five grand i can upgrade the electrical replace the window do we have any idea what that might be and what the timeline and to do what well we had talked about you know maybe well it's probably a question for next year but you know if we do shift our focus to the public works building yeah which obviously means then the town office nothing would happen there for a decade or so right so and we had talked before we'd thrown some numbers around that might cost 20 or 25 000 to update stuff in the office to make it last that long absolutely so what i'm waiting for now is to find out what that insulation is because that's remediation could be expensive so i mentioned insulation the immense and heat source the heat's been repaired that was because the chimney thank you to chief fall to get it because the chimney wasn't working so we fixed that problem last year and dave said you know the first thing we need to do obviously is upgrade the electrical so the service needs to go to a hundred amp service we need to insulate because we're just it's cold in there the whole building just needs heat and so we need to do insulating i talked to alex reister when he was here and he was the one who said you know trees you might want to have someone sampled upstairs and get that sent away to figure out what you're feeling with so we'll have a better understanding there i'm having it cleaned now because it's disgusting um we need to do some painting and there's something going on with the porch roof and it's leaking and it's it i don't even know i don't even i need to get somebody to come take it apart and tell me what is happening i don't know how they get the insulation i don't know if there's any insulation after fair there's a false roof built over there's two roofs and the second roof is all sleepers invented except for the porch it pulls it all in you put like three little holes in the end of it and i just think that the condensation doesn't say condensation because it's not leaking in it's not obvious it's not breathing gaps in the if you didn't see where that porch entrance is when they added it on there's just no venting in that false roof and if you look at that porch it's rotted the whole front of that porch and that was fixed not many years ago and it well i mean it takes a beating because you got all the water i mean i walked in today and the whole side of the building is covered with spray with water mud because it's right there in the front porch you know when dav was looking because i was looking at the porch i'm like what is going on with the roof the porch and gene i asked gene bernum and gene said that they had done once they had done the roof initially they put on the standing leaves and she said they had a problem and she said she went to the then town manager and said i think you need to get that contractor back here because i don't think something was done right and they didn't and that's that and so but that whole porch probably needs to be torn off and because it is rotted if someone wished hard you're going to fall right and you're going to you what when they re-built it last time they did it right out of wood again instead of a pvc product or something that'll take the salt and the grime but that'll probably be you know when we get back in session after town meeting day we'll have to look hard at that next year to see what if we want that building to last us another 12 or 15 years what is it going to do we've got to put money aside to build another porch or you know what are we going to do and my hope is to get a contractor to go through and look at a few things but right now we need to know you know the bigger the base things i think right now are upgrading the electrical which i but i need to figure out what the insulation is because i can't have someone poking around up there because it's only light and so once we get the insulation mystery settled and then we can upgrade you know we definitely upgrade to 100 amp service the building and um and then definitely need to deal with insulation because it's you know it's we go through a few because people are cold and when the heating bill we keep the heat low people have electric heaters that they plug in because you know it's hot air it comes in it's warm and then it's gone and you're freezing so so we're definitely trying to sort that out right it'll be just like the fire department you'll have to be cold that's right yeah i mean that's that's it everybody knows to dress in layers everybody has i told you to do that i'm like bring a sweatshirt bring something you're going to need to leave something here because you're going to be cold you're going to have to oh no i have one the other day yeah old old style yeah that's yeah you see the lights i was three weeks ago yeah exactly here oh i know that was awful so i'm going to drop that chris from 6500 i think to 5000 okay and um that'll be a little savings and that budget's already down and then we're pretty sure with the company count yeah piece of that that will cover everything that we needed to know if i got a estimate from them i'm working with them now and i'm sending stuff back and forth so i'm doing oh payroll's ready you can sign it tomorrow so tomorrow we'll do so the end of december will be the last payroll that will process and then it will go directly to comp account so i'll do the spreadsheet here but they'll cut the checks and do all that stuff so that would be terrific um but yeah so i got that estimate from them i'm still gonna have to still gonna have to approve it though well we're gonna have to look at that and see what we've done in the past in different towns is is you can just authorize annually you could make a motion annually to authorize the treasurer to prove payroll then you guys sign them we bring it monthly and you guys sign off on i have to see what they're going to be sending us for paperwork so it's going to be a learning curve for all of us in the beginning but anything else in the municipal office there's training in them yep last thing on the list oh is it enough is that what i think so it depends a lot of the classes we're really luckier are free are they're pretty inexpensive so which is nice and and now you know they've been doing some webinars they're like thirty five dollars so that's really nice and i can't remember i don't know how much do we pay to go to that class jason do you remember we paid it was pretty cheap yeah yeah that's gonna say it wasn't that much money to do the local books jason i went to the same class in stowe and see town hall so i think that we can reduce the building repair from 75 i went through the building today i walked every room i looked at themselves to see if they still had um you know you're a thing on them to look at that he walls need to be painted anything like that i think you're in pretty good shape but i do have a question what's the deal with the clock like there was no clock but then bregg kept talking about this clock and i saw a clock there like once and then i noticed that clock was donated i was like yeah it's really historically yeah it fell off and smashed because they can only use certain types of fasteners to hold it on to the wall and it fell and smashed and that was the end of the clock yeah yeah i wasn't sure when i i was like today i'm like where is that thing wasn't it you're like that was a long time in making well took it took forever to get it home took a year and a half to get the clock and then put it up there in month and a half later about two months yeah unfortunately it was like with a historic building it took forever to get one yeah and then we got it and it only lasted like a month or a month and a half and then it stopped working and then it fell off yeah because it is like everybody in here so i wasn't sure so i will say so i know that we're going to get the moon out of the we have just a scaffolding but i do have another question when i went to go in the balcony there's all these pictures and i was torn that i remembered maybe in my somebody coming to the select board about hanging yeah so they're going to start in the same rail they have downstairs because it's historically accurate to the building so they're allowed to do certain things about it so he's going to do the same thing that's downstairs they're going to put high school high school graduation pictures and yeah that's what i saw because it's we need to get them out of that i think there's there's a plan for it i don't know what process it's in okay i could ask them because i saw them when i was looking today and i'm like there's something about those i remembered either reading minutes or i do wonder though if they're installing something like that could uh could a section of that same rail be done for a clock oh it had to be yeah they went through a whole generation about what it looked like oh it was pretty well smashed up though oh yeah and apparently there's food in that closet there like yes i noticed this morning a bag of chips yeah well it's probably a good thing we've been keeping it cold in here yeah i saw that i know today i was like yeah i may want to clean that out yeah but so i saw them in the hallway and i could kind of remember something i was like what happened with that and uh i couldn't remember then i was standing here going so the building repair light item will go down to what i think that you could just put it at six like it was last year okay so there's another three thousand out of the budget if we take 1500 out of the other here okay so this leaves tasco elevator cleaning supplies etc and i know um you know we're gonna fix that fan but i think that and the light bulbs yeah those are gonna be done so um we gotta deal with that too but yeah so i think that if we reduce that i think you're gonna be okay the reason that had been high in the past was because you had some painting done and i guess why that was so high in the past doing you didn't get the the elevator inspection of the court of communication yeah probably not we did get it it's been inspected out every year we signed a contract to give the comment the clock man came a few weeks ago the clock guy came but we do we had inspected because um apparently it hadn't passed inspection and kelly and i didn't know we found out about august or so we got a notice and they're like so what'd you do well what are you talking about and uh so we had to get the elevator does anybody inspect the inspector system yes we had the other Vermont the fire inspectors here i looked at the um today at tasco downstairs because i had an error message on it and it was inspected they had been to come through and i think we had we had it done last year because the fire inspector came and has a little sticker on it yeah and he had a sticker on it so when it was within a lot it must have been in uh so we did have that too good okay town officials so just so you know your paychecks are here or they'll be done on thursday so um we cut i cut today i got select board trustees public funds called box or um yeah i'm gonna need an advance on why i need cash tonight i'll go buy myself a soda at the store and we'll call it even you can take it off the budget next year so we'll go off the road by then yeah we could chop all our salaries you won't even see a difference in the budget right how about we take that it's 1500 bucks from over there and move it down over here oh it was select board so we um so i didn't like i left it when you talked about it last week and and then we had the listers piece yeah so this is pretty much the same as before we have um you know i i didn't change anything i don't think i we talked about the assessor services or put it to 10 we had a five but we had talked about 10 being probably a better number and so that's what especially now later you're looking at um you know we have now have jim's letter president crowd when he's going to get done we have rebecca's letter that she is done and then obviously you can appoint judy but you're still gonna have an opening because um you know judy could be the only lister and uh no pressure and uh so we went to that i know the only other increase was computer vlct's um fees went up significantly and and doing that actually made me realize that the transfer station hasn't been paying anything all these years so i took their bill and divided it by three so the town office listers and the transfer station will pay their share now so um so that was the only change in the budget was we talked about and the 10 may have been even here last time so so that's that i mean i um not to back up here but um we had talked about at the beginning of this year when we were examining some of the the town officials other than the select board but you know we were talking about at one point the um like the cemetery commissioner the health officer maybe there was one other one we were talking about you know how how do these salaries come about you know i mean some of these have been set at whatever six hundred dollars for the past ever and you know should should we revise them you know i mean some of these positions um in order to do that correctly i mean is you know i mean i i know these people are not doing it to get paid however i mean there's a lot of time and that comes into it and you know i mean if you're only paying somebody six hundred dollars that could spend you know one day a week you know or the health officer at times i mean is i think that it's really up to you where i came from the health officer was busy and they didn't even get a stipend it was a voluntary position so um they didn't so it's really town by town certainly i know that um i can't speak to the health officer i don't know how often you know where i came from i had more contact with the health officer here i don't hear really about any comes in spur that they had the cemetery commissioner i think that you have very active cemetery commissioner and he seems to take care of a lot of things tree is doing that lost by himself and he's actually looking for his own replacement so i'd given him a suggestion or two the other day when he was in and which is too bad because he has a lot of knowledge about who's buried where and that sort of thing um certainly he obviously doesn't do it for the money or you want to give it up a long time ago but it really depends for us on your town like i said towns where come from where you don't some of these positions aren't even paid i was actually surprised that your person got a stipend and i was very surprised that it was bigger than the stipend that the slept for gosh so uh so um sounds like we're all going to be running a cemetery commission it was one of those many things that we had looked at and just after town meeting day last year where we're like you know as when we were getting into like you know why is a said fee of twenty dollars when it costs us eighty dollars to do the work you know exactly and one was the last time somebody looked at some of these and i think it's how does it compare with other towns and i mean i can take a peek it may be hard to find out frankly because um like i said i think there's gonna be a lot of towns where they're not paid at all and the other thing too is some towns have a cemetery commission like a board that kind of manages stuff and you don't have that i don't think that where i came from either so i think it's town to town but i i can assure you that i'm i'm certain that um any one of these folks would be thrilled to see an increase in their appropriation but i can um let me try to dig around and see what i can find out um yeah i was just curious i mean i'll see if you have to pay them or is there you know i can tell you that but let me look at local cemetery commissioners and um health officers i can look around it surrounding towns and see what they pay i mean you know because we do know that you know like the health officer when that comes around there'll be somebody new will be looking to do that door yeah i don't know i will pay somebody six hundred dollars a year to make sure that that does not happen yeah oh yes you could have it do not follow me um but you know i mean there will be some of those opening and yeah maybe they'd be coming around no but i know like i said that um you know somebody look at at the cemetery so let me do a little i can talk to a couple local towns and see not video see what they pay we can all they have to do is like and look at some budgets from last year so i will try to find out did you ask for the uh what wages to i can i'm not going to i'm fine but i'll ask all right i can look at that what's the life board member yet 250 dollars if you're chair and 200 if you're not i i don't know i can use yeah so i think about playing me step up and try to run it yeah exactly right and make that it's worth 2000 i'm sorry oh at least well if you if you become a school board member you'll make triple that oh yeah uh if you're doing it for the money then yeah yeah it's funny it's just one of those it's probably been set like that for and everybody's you know many many years our the board where i came from had they had 400 bucks the chair got no more than anybody else and they had 400 dollars a year plus 15 dollars a meeting but yeah little lincoln which is was right next to us you know that town is tiny moment was that it's harry and like 1100 you should have seen that the slept or when they got to race did you see why i'm not going to do a set mere salary they actually vote on it every year at town meeting and one year they got a raise because the guy leaving the board voted from the floor to give the select board a raise it was like we're gonna get the phone here the budget was tight so they cut their they cut it back but they got 15 per meeting no matter how long it lasted they got 15 bucks plus their stipend i think it's be quick meetings you know how everybody does it difference yeah i'll take a peek at those all right and then pretty much the difference on the lister end is is the it's the 10 000 we plugged in there for a potential assessor fees yeah an increase in the um cause both us with not knowing what the makeup of the lister office will look like after trying to sweeten tonight and after the town meeting yeah town meeting so let's let's hope that we have you know and if you don't the good thing is at least we have two more individuals that step up because if they could get expensive for the town if if we don't have those services and you can see like i said there's other towns this size um smaller that are doing the same thing because they can't find you mean you need good people to do that work not just anyone can be a lister and the thing too is uh you know the good thing about having 14 000 of salaries you know if you end up having an assessor and then someone who works in the office you know to get a computer work or whatever between the assessor stipend and that you hopefully balance it out a little bit between a couple of people also yep it's a place to start for sure and government operations see i think that see it was up a little bit and um tax abatement's a bit higher in the past so i finally bumped that budget to try to cover for that um and i also um voting equipment and supplies i updated up that to a thousand dollars because it's an election presidential election year maybe you use your card program and that card is not cheap if i remember correctly so um advertising i just i actually brought it down a little bit i don't fingers cross won't be looking for anybody so never know and tax sale expenses i also put that down by a thousand because i didn't hit that last year and i won't have as big of a tax sale this year no because we were you know so that'll save a little money there so it's only a 1.37 increase a percent now what are we thinking in regards to the reappraisal fund i know there's been some discussions into when we might have to do it and yeah do we have enough money and well you don't should we be putting more money in here yes the answers are no you don't have enough money yes you should be putting more money in and i don't know i mean they've been working really hard uh will we use and and uh jim and revert it and i've been passed to kind of you know really keep a handle on it but you're definitely going to be close to getting the reappraisal and you're not going to have enough money it's usually 300 usually the money that we get from the state covers about half of it maybe i forgot my town court i like usually about half and then we'll have to come up with the other half so if it's what probably what quarter million dollars to yeah i think you'd be looking at 300 leases usually going to be over two years and the problem is that you're running into is a lot of people are getting out of the business so you don't have a lot to choose from and um so i would think that within the next couple of years and it's going to depend too on the lister makeup and if you're an assessor i know that people it's one of the reasons you've done because we only started putting money in last year so i know it's not like it's not like we have uh been doing this for 10 years we have 50 000 you know luckily you know you've had been putting aside the money that you got from the state but i i don't have my town before i apologize i thought i had it with me i don't and i could tell how much we have but yes honestly if you if you don't put if you were only to put maybe five thousand dollars in the rep fund i would say you should put the other five here so you definitely how often do we typically do reappraisals or what time like reappraisals 50 years or yeah we'll get pushed into a mandatory by the state if you're if you're common if you're cla right goes over a certain yeah but um let's see we had done one in 2000 and we was it every dozen 15 years or something like that you're probably looking at maybe oh perfect thank you maybe 10 years probably 10 12 so it sounds like on a cycle like if we were basing it on a 10 to 15 year cycle then we should be putting 10 to 15 000 the year in that exactly because and right now we obviously are behind that and we're putting five so so at the end of the year thank you the teacher at a hundred and seven thousand i guess sorry what's it been you've been at like 12 maybe that's right i'm getting confused between another town it was before i got here because i i own that makes sense 2007 that makes sense 12 years and so she's saying you're gonna have yeah this is what she's thinking she's worked hard to keep it out so right now chris you have 137 so 138 000 in here plus you added another 15 000 on top of that because you had your act 60 payment plus we put five grand in there so so you're there's one say 138 148 you know so you're you're about you have about half of what you would be yeah so i mean at this point i mean if we're doing it in the next two or three years i mean well we need to we need 40 50 000 a year and then the other thing too is what can happen is what what we have seen done in the past is when you sign a contract with these guys over two years you divide up what the cost is and you're paying a monthly fee so you know at least this buys you a little bit of time and then you would you know put in there but yeah you should definitely be putting more money in there for sure okay so if you have money that you want to stick around oh yeah i'll donate my paycheck just cut 3000 well you just got 3000 so chris there we doubled it so chris you know dave's right we just cut 3000 that will bring it eight and if sales and coin drop once a day every day coin drops out there and then the appropriations um uh paul gave a list to kelly i haven't seen it yet so i just i can adjust those numbers now um and waver Valley ambulance was down um significantly so which was good we had a this last year was kind of um i had to put in the number because i didn't have their final stuff yet and then so we looked at this at six months at 10150 then i added another three percent but you're still you still have this issue hanging out there i talked to neil fox about randolph randolph is focused apparently their attention right now is focused on the fire department and they want to combine all the other into one location which is going to be a fight for him so he's focused on that now so we have at least a year or two until he refocuses attention on the ambulance and if that's the case he's going to be needing at least a million bucks he means the town manager randolph he because he'd need at least two ambulances and i don't know how they did beat up right now because if randolph goes with beth was the next biggest population i don't i don't see how the numbers work for randolph i don't know i'm just telling you i mean we've done the numbers here and i can't imagine they're that they're going to save any money right but if they went on their own and they had two two buses and all the equipment they're going to spend more than what they're spending now i don't know what i don't want the only concern i have and maybe dave can answer this is if randolph stays then they and they don't want to use war but then randolph's has the hospital so i'm assuming they would keep all the money for transports and all that so it would really they would compete that's like one of the only true sources of income exactly so if they lost that yeah well we'll cross that bridge when we come to it i mean but interestingly war but his license through gibber yeah uh so there's more to pay nor the box yeah so i had just met with neil fox the other day and but so that's why that number dropped to 123 9 and then you know dead is dead so that's um an estimate on the county tax the alliance fee and so that's really it and paul said i think i had budgeted 10 increase over last year but paul you said you were to five percent also the five yeah a little over five so i'll be able to adjust those for your next meeting too okay so some um what how i had looked at it so with the budget the way it is currently um with the budget the way it is currently i know we tweaked it a little bit here tonight yeah it's not anything major well it took seven you took but you're right now you're the way it is your the revenues are up 38 000 and the cost is up 112 000 and then the net increase is 74 000 which if you take that divided by you know 19 500 um that'll get you about 3.6 cents yeah is about the increase on it i mean we can look at it by the percentages but you know per pocket that would come out of taxpayers would be a little over three and a half cents so in the last three years we've been we've been kind of sticking to the we're trying to stick to the three-cent rule other than we've had you know the long-term debt that you know popped up but we were able to kind of manage that um so right now we're at 3.6 cents and then there was a couple of i'll call them kind of the more bigger um maybe additions or subtractions to the budget and a couple of things what i was looking at is if we kept everything the way it is um but we took out the storm drains so we didn't do the storm drain portion the increase would be it would actually decrease at one penny so we'd be at 2.6 cents increase for the budget we but it would be too it it's just the way it all the percentage plays out in it so it would it would be down i'm sorry hold on hold on hold on i'm sorry it was if we didn't do the storm drains but we kept everything the way it was would be it would be just just under two cents so it'd be 1.64 cents that we would be if we did the storm drains but what i had said is if we took the gravel from 60 000 down 45 000 like we were talking about a little bit then then the um we'd be looking at 2.6 cents increase in the budget so you could do the could do the storm drains but we you know we chopped a little bit out of the gravel budget the only thing is that's only a one year relief and you're going to be paying for something for five years so you'd have to find the money in the next four years to keep balancing that is the trick and or if you took out the storm drains and you took out the 15 grand in gravel you could be at a half a cent increase for the tax rate well those were kind of some of the options that i had looked at if you but if you took out i mean i i you know i'm never in favor of anything crazy because we just don't know we're projecting out 18 months you have no fund balance no real savings so if something goes wrong i'm not going to i can't pay for it so that's always makes me a little bit nervous um if you want to take the storm drains out you had some savings i mean i'm all for if you want to stay around the you know under the three percent range then i would you know i certainly wouldn't encourage you to ever go to something to take out the gravel and because if we had another flood event you know it's nice to have a little padding highway budget of some gravel you could also put more money then into the reappraisal fund so if you're not going to fund the storm drains then fund some more money into the you know to the reappraisal fund for something so um you know and uh it just seems like you just you just can't cut off the notes by your face how should be well i'm not i'm not proposing no no i'm to do that i'm not i'm just laying it out there these are some options but if you want to save one then you could maybe if you want to get rid of the storm drains and everybody's in agreement that you're not going to do that then you could take at least some of that money and maybe put it towards your reappraisal fund so that you because you know that's coming down like possibly very soon and um you know it's just something to consider well i mean if we leave everything in i mean if we left everything in and doing kind of business as usual let's say you know we we have the spring flood event that we're taking care of in here which is six cents on the tax rate so if we didn't have the spring flood event right now we could do everything that's in this budget and have three cents back to everybody i mean that's that was the significant piece of this flood event that we had and i think some of that is a credit to you know i mean we're we're being a little bit more efficient as a town now and we're starting to see that you know you know one less person or half a person here you know we're we're i wouldn't even say we've lost you know we've increased our serviceability yeah and you know we're more efficient but i do agree with therese that we have to be careful because we don't we want a future projection you know forward because for so long we manage this town on a very short-term focus so you know we do have some of these funds that are lacking that probably should have more money in them yeah i mean i don't know if the reappraisal fund you could put enough money in there to make you whole but is there other is there other sections of the budget that we could put some money that we know that we're going to need soon oh sure i mean i have to tell you right now you know that your capital your apparatus fund for the fire department could use a little more money i'm sure that you're you know your equipment fund for the highway could possibly could use more money because you have those two trucks that are gonna you know you're out at the same time you know that you're going to build a new um you know town garage so there's you know there and so and i did have a conversation with allen about that um about the garage too so um and it seems like the garage is going to be our next focus you know or structure that we might build in town of course it's it's still it's hard to it's like the rec department it's hard to take you know if we wanted to add you know if we normally do 50 000 if we increased that but then we get a show the taxpayers this is the timeline on us during the building and how this fits into the model which i don't think we're prepared to not yet i've seen some i have a couple numbers that i've seen and i did talk down the other day because he said that the um building itself is it's not wood frame steel so my question is for is it possible that obviously we have a couple of lean twos and things on the back that need to come off i know there's issues with the can you take that existing exterior off and but still build on another bay or two but using you know with the same steel that's there and then have some insulated like a new metal building i mean you could see him for like 40 grand but can we take the existing structure you know i don't know i need to get some expertise so i need to talk to people about what my options are there so most of a lot of doubt too the what is the structural post in the building could be getting exactly i mean we could have a structural engineer take a peek at it or we could just say forget it we're just going to take the whole thing down and we're going to put up a new you know either butler building or something like that and because they weren't you know alan was saying now between the long bay you can actually get quite a few things in there as far as um equipment and um but you certainly need you know another bay um for us it's an angle we don't want to go digging too far off from you know too far around there either so um but i also haven't been in there when there was an equipment in there to see you know what is the the what's the ground look like but they could they have equipment they could dig up the concrete if we needed to pour you know i mean they have equipment they have the ability to do some of that yeah make sure you can't dig that's the whole deal going on we're here about motors yeah no i can't dig over there no they've had a garage there for yeah a long time that's why they're doing what they're doing they're gonna cob them out yeah they can't dig yeah exactly and that's the thing i don't know what the you know status of the floor is there either if he needs um you know what's the concrete like so i don't know i do know he needs a better system or like a water kind of oil water separators and things like that but it would be nice to keep them where they are i mean in the sense that you know if we we don't have a lot of options as far as where we're going to move on we don't have a lot of land and um so i'm just kind of picking that around the other thing we could do is you know if we wanted to pick a you know an increase you know this is our target increase and put said extra money into the highway rehabilitation fund to pay forward potential erath for next year absolutely you know because we know that you know we have the the p-vine project the river road project well they're both on the same section we only have that one we just have a slide there and then we only have two things left the culvert and the slide the culvert didn't know oh didn't oh okay so we have that and then we have the what are we doing with panel bridge so panel bridge could be would be a hundred and twenty five thousand dollar fixer could be a significantly less than that it all depends on what we build the bridge do we exact do we just buy and keep the temporary bridge you know what do we do there could be we could be looking at another hundred eighteen thousand next year you know do we sure do we you know you know do we say any capital fund is going to be looking for money we had some extra money in the air knowing that we could pay that forward for next year the storm drains as a one-year thing it makes a lot of sense for me but I just don't know the next four years yeah well you're gonna be paying that for four more years by I'll buy I think tomorrow or Thursday so I tomorrow yeah by tomorrow Wednesday so let me see what he has and I can ask him the question you know what do you think the savings is if we do it now versus if we did a few years from now by the fact that yes these guys are mobilized and digging so let me get some questions answered there too plus you have you know that hundred ninety thousand is that just for the project that does that include the interest that you pay on the loan and all that yeah that payment included that yeah it was the five because I'm on a hundred ninety thousand five year you know we're going to pay twenty four thousand just interest I know so and the only thing I could find that's one penny on the a little more one penny on the brick just an interest I know and the only thing I could find was the twenty thousand dollar um better roads grant to help you know that's if you get it so I wish that doesn't even pay the interest on the loan I know I know it's one of those things so I'll get the questions answered and you'll take another you know hopefully my goal would be that you finalize the budget next time I'll bring my computer it will just number simple change and you hopefully could be able to finalize it so at the next meeting doesn't seem like you have that many questions wondering so well I think I think the good thing is we can show the taxpayers that you know that the serviceability in the town seems to be getting better and that we're being more efficient with our money which is clearly showing that you know we've taken some large deductions and you know you should always be at a municipal office was a hot target every year on the budget and you know obviously public works is always going to be a hot time because it's the biggest part of your budget you know that's going to be the first one against attack but you know we are you know we've cut materials we've gone to classes we are learning how much material we should be putting on our roads and you know there should be savings there can we can we pick a number or percent number or we you know we were shooting for three cents was the kind of I think you shoot for under you want to be well I'd love to see it yeah so if we said if we said that number very careful that where we are suffering and trying to mine men a former town manager's level funding it does not work it does not work everything costs more money or so well I'm saying I will say I'm against trying to level fun oh yeah and I think of it the penny or even half penny is is not enough money to sustain so if you want to go by a cent amount maybe or maybe a percentage is a more accurate way to go well then what I'm saying is it's a set of 3.6 we say three is the target so how do we get to three or well one we should stick to cents because the percentages don't always I mean the sense is what actually comes out of your pocket the percentages don't line up with cents so I mean like your budget's up five and a half percent but that's only three and a half cents you know three point six four percent you said you were about three point six cents so it's not that we've told well when Carl was on the board so two and a half three years ago three years ago is when we kind of started laying out that roadmap because we had unrealistic budgets granted we had a lot of wasteful spending too but we had laid out to get to get to fund a town where we should be funding the town that we were going to take this roadmap of you know at that time we had said it's probably going to be an increase of 12 or 15 cents but we're not going to do it one year or two years so we had talked about starting to see a gradual increase of three cents a year was kind of the was the current way I mean I think I don't think we need to level fund it but I you know the good thing is you know even retiring you know $118,000 you know which is if you did level fund it that's six cents that it should go up you know so I mean by rights right now we should be sitting here going well we got six cents for the flood plus we got three cents for you know so you're really keeping so we should be looking at nine cents really I mean and we're only looking at 3.6 so if you cut about if you cut maybe 12 grand out of the budget or so you'd be you'd be under your three cent because if you cut 15,000 you're at about 2.6 cents so if you cut $12,000 out of the budget and there was three already that that we came up with tonight um so that puts you at nine so you know it seems like if you were that's kind of a sweet spot is that funds your capital funds and I mean I just think I guess I would be curious to know what each of the board members think about the storm drains because if that's the issue I don't want to spend staff time applying running around applying for a grant that were you know maybe as you've said Chris you know it wasn't building a day I mean just I think it makes sense to do the storm drains while everything else is opened up because it should be more cost effective however storm drains is a multi-year commitment it's not a one year so it's we can easily fit it in this year from what I see but how's how's the next four years going to look because we're going to be carrying that for four more years yeah we're going to be carrying that four cents I mean we're going to be carrying that extra two cents forward for four years and hopefully we're also not carrying the e-wrap forward for the four full years right this year and something next year to be determined but you know so I feel like there is a little bit of potential room there well it could it could get blown out of the water if we have another event sure you know that's coming up or that the event not doing them the drains could make it that much worse because had we fixed the issue of the drains we didn't end up with an issue you know I could also talk to um Rita's back now so I could talk to her to ask her opinion or just to say look Rita what are our odds you know could we get more than 20,000 we're getting more money for a different road but it's not coming out of the better roads it's coming from A&R so I could talk to her and see if there's you know is there a funding source that we are not going to be able to get this year that we might be able to get next year which would cover a bigger portion of the nut and the other thing too is I'll have a better number from Mike um you know this week too so and then I think just you know we have 190,000 for this project but and just have you know we don't really have a handle on exactly what that number is and and you will is that number 150,000 or is it right 220,000 or exactly how much savings are we getting by doing it exactly with when the roads opened up versus not yeah and we'll find out like I said right because I know in my picture that's 190,000 dollars I'll do it love to get my hand yeah well Mike like I said we were looking at it they were busy with the water project we just asked him if he could I mean I suspect that this you know to put those drains and will probably be a lot less than 190,000 that's but I mean and like I said he was they're busy with the rest of the water they're only 90% he just said look I'm just going to take an estimate we have done some work at a different town and they kind of threw a number at it so now that he's at 90% on our plans he's going to be able to take a look at it so who knows maybe that number drops significantly I'm not going to know so well yeah because if that drops you know then either we can say okay it's only going to be $20,000 a year for five years or $40,000 for two years or you know it's easier to swallow you know and then if you take that and then you shave a little bit out of the gravel or whatever and then you'll be down to three cents or less okay well the other thing is sewer going to be doing another increase on the water in sewer folks too possibly another 4% well we'll see we don't know that right now yeah we don't know what we're yeah we kind of I think last year we were 2.99 right is that what we're at the town level this budget last year budget but the budget we're in right now yeah you're just what were you 2.99 you were 2.99 because the