What's good George the board lost back again with another video So you guys have requested that I check out how Adam would book Keith Lee So this is what I'm about to do for you guys appreciate all the love support road to 70k I am looking forward to how he would have booked Keith Lee. I'm willing to bet it would probably be or it's going to be 10 times better than what WWE could have ever done and that's a shame. That's all I'm gonna say I know Keith Lee Was dealing with some health issues at the beginning of his run But they still there's still things they could have did to really Expound on him being a main event player, you know, and it just sucks that they really didn't like Go for that. They didn't capitalize on the momentum when they had the chance and it kind of sucks So we're gonna check this out appreciate all the love and support and let's do this damn thing Okay, so a few disclaimers before I start this one's potentially gonna be a little sassier than usual because it bears repeating How'd you screw up Keith Lee and say my sentiments exactly? How do you screw him up? I have no idea Secondly, this booking is gonna be pretty simple Bit obvious in places not a whole lot of earth shattering invasion NXT endgame pomp and circumstance going on It's just gonna be a fairly straightforward list of matches.  Professional wrestling main eventer the guy has to be able to talk. Okay. How about a charismatic love child of Barry Why in the world sexiest bear whispering inspirational poetry at you with a kind of eloquent baritone that gives you vibrations in your Bone marrow and can make you feel like the only person in the room at a crowded cocktail party. Do you want unique? Athleticism Oh take over Portland would like to talk to you about that where Keith Lee and Dominic Dijakovic put on one of the defining pork de soleil Scrobatic displays a big boys, but quick boys doing things that beef sundaes shouldn't be able to do flips forward rolls Moon salts deadlift power bombs Keith Lee hurts in every flavor. Do you want someone with a good look? Look at him. Look at him. The only human being to have ever made a beard. No moustache combination The beard no moustache combination. This is true.  I'll do it myself.  This doesn't make sense What I'm sorry, I really am And to do that let's talk about our sponsor for this week surf shark VPN Are you looking for a whole bunch of telly to watch to make this world wise allow it treats its employees like garbage in a run By your browsing history Four months and promise I'm gonna keep this brief partially because it's a fresh wound Because it's so very sad indeed After rocking the typical big indies to make a major mark on pro wrestling your ring of honours your evolves your PWG's Keith Lee arrived in NXT in August 2018 and admittedly didn't make a super immediate mark He was injured fairly soon after his arrival plus 2018 was the year of champ Runkard Gano Not many others were getting a look in however from mid to late 2009 the rocket under Keith Lee was finally fueled and ready for launch He pounced Adam Cole into the crowd in the great one of the best memes That is such a Fantastic meme bruh just launched this nigga into outer space bro. Oh my god This wrestling gif of the year He was on the winning team at takeover war games nearly pinned Roman goddamn reigns at survivor series So much acclaim was the NXT breakout star that year because nearly pinning Roman Reigns at a big four pay Never appearing on the main roster is kind of the definition of a breakout So he won the North American title from Roderick strong He blew Brock Lesnar's white sausage mind at the rumble. Oh Big boy takeover Portland against Jockovich became the first ever man to hold both North American and NXT Championship they they were building him like the next guy up, bro They were putting a rocket like Adam said and strapping it to him and sending him to the moon Then it passed the moon. Just how they were booking him how the crowd was receiving him on the main roster And what happens? What ultimately is his fate in WWE?  So yeah, good job. They did he missed Clash of champions Of course why you don't want to capitalise on beating Randy Orton He was part of one of the weirdest booked male Survivor Series matches in recent memory where Raw beats Smackdown in a clean sweep But hey a wins a win. I suppose he didn't wrestle at TLC because again, why would you want to capitalize on that? He didn't wrestle at the Royal Rumble although That last one was because he was isolating after his partner Mia Yim called COVID He was booked to wrestle at Elimination Chamber But then Lee himself actually caught COVID leading to heart inflammation that sidelined him from action for five months Nearly killed him and restricted him from doing anything more than in his own words a light jog And that sucks, you know, all you know, it sucks those unseen unfortunate events happen to him But at the same time Prior to that they had opportunities to really Go with his momentum and you know, there's things that just kept derailing him which sucks Just the more time you off TV the less time no more time people don't care about your character, you know Sam so it just it just does it was really unfortunate But WWE still takes the blame in some of this for not utilizing him when he was healthy when he was good One of that obviously is WWE's fault. In fact, WWE took care of him He got him several MRIs even had him booked for genetic testing at one point. So like fair enough there Keith Lee finally returned in July got fed to Bobby Lashley Repackaged as Keith Bearcat Lee and we can blame WWE for that and for also this singlet and for Keith Lee not being booked as Important enough to wrestle on a single pay-per-view Since his return until the only major thing Keith Lee did since beating Randy Orton at payback 2020 was almost have Adam Cole as his manager in a near-miss example of how to mismanage two birds with one stone Keith Lee was then released on November 4th and That's it just I was on holiday when they released him That's it me. I guess let me have a go. Come on. You got this. I know he's gonna do way better job All right, so one thing to address right off the bat the five months that Keith Lee was sidelined with Kobe I've got a choice here.  There's that approach and then there's just Ignore it which feels odd in its own way ultimately makes this booking Unrealistic and more just straightforward wish fulfillment and ultimately to me these bookings aren't really supposed to be Completely realistic. They're an exercise in writing short stories stories that I and hopefully other people would like to see that exist With the benefit of hindsight conveniently ignoring backstage politics accidents the irrational choices of a man in his Seventies you doesn't know See the clue is in the name fantasy booking like I've never hidden that part of these videos Oh, I am just gonna ignore the covid thing that makes you feel weird It makes me feel a little weird too and no disrespect to Keith Lee, but anyway, there we go So we're winding the clock back to my birthday 2020 And the debut on Raw of Keith Lee and by Keith Lee I mean who is he who's that champ? I see rhetorical question because we all know the answer Keith Lee He seemed tuned for my next T please that everyone liked and his topless tight pants combination Which I very much liked and also objectively made him look bigger than containing him in a shirt and baggy shorts Please don't fix what isn't broken. Thank you free now to leave a comment about how I made booking genius Easy wrestling is so easy as hopefully you'll see from What's to follow so instead of interrupting Randy Orton and immediately putting Keith Lee in the middle of a program that is currently bigger than him and Guaranteeing that he'll be seen as an afterthought on his very first night You know as it did with him lying in the ring while Randy and Drew fought on the outside We start with a Keith Lee match because ultimately that's the biggest string in his bow He's charismatic. He looks great. He can talk but top of the tree the man can Demonstrate that with an exhibition squash against Cedric Alexander who also has ricochet in his corner Cedric and ricochet were teaming up at the time and Alexander's a magic first opponent for Lee someone he can throw around just Get to but also someone fast that you can use to make the visual comparison Oh, wow Keith Lee can be as fast as Cedric. Keith wins takes up the microphone. Allow me to introduce myself My name is Keith Lee. You might remember me from when I came this close to snatching victory for team her next year So and I like that call backs people. Oh, I remember that guy. That's how you do it That's a good way to introduce somebody that maybe some of the casual fans may not know who is who don't want NXT five a series you might remember me from when I knocked Brock Lesnar Flat at the Royal Rumble or you might remember me to be the first man to hold the North American and NXT championships at the same time and Speaking of NXT when I was wrestling for the black and gold. I beat everyone there was to beat Johnny Gargano Adam Cole Finn Balibut like ships passing in the night. I never got to wrestle you Pointing at ricochet you and I we come from a lot of the same places We've only wrestled one-on-one once that was in WCPW by the way, and you beat me that Won't stand so how about it one and only how about you and I one more time for real I get my payback and you get to bask in my glory I like that. It gives ricochet something to do I like that sign me up that what the hell it gives ricochet Team Captain North America himself if you know the reference, you know what we're calling that thing You know you've been following us on the intercuss page. Thank you gives him something to do. Oh Not only are you helping ricochet getting some type of important feud You're getting over Keith Lee But this man on payroll, bro payback give Keith Lee and ricochet 15 minutes to go trust me from personal experience It works Keith Lee snatches ricochet out the air for a spirit bomb one two three Keith Lee wins after the bell both men shake hands as a sign of mutual respect and in memories of NXT's past but it's not just said ricochet being high flies to showcase Lee's power that makes him ideal first opponent It's also because both men were embroiled with the hurt business that makes them pivotal into taking Keith Lee and pointing him at his first major feud Bobby Beef on beef That really hurt business Victimized Cedric and ricochet on Raw prompting Keith Lee who now respects the hell out of both competitors to come out and make The save leading to clash of champions Keith Lee versus Bobby Lashley for the United States Championship two monstrous cowl men who can move with ramming speed Men who just run Keep doing it into each other super super hard spear each other through barricades. Lashley runs at Keith who snatches him and Loves him through the analysis table. However, a clash of champions Cedric Alexander turns here joins the hurt business and costs Keith Lee his shot at Lashley's Title and actually this way the Alexander heel turn makes a little bit more sense thought we were friends ricochet But as soon as your friend from NXT turns up, you could give a shit about me I'm gonna try my luck with somebody who actually knows my worth Give me a solid gold suit the hurt business injure ricochet Bobby Lashley stamps on a chair around his neck leaving Keith Lee To go up against the entire hurt business Alone him and Lashley have a rematch booked for the next pay-per-view in order to keep out MVP Shelton Cedric, it's Keith Lee versus Bobby Lashley They want straight hell in the cell hoss wrestlers hoss stipulation Keith Lee is important and should be treated as Such Lee and Lashley are in the cell instead of Roman and J. Uso because it didn't need to be a cell match That it was very good, but it was also an I quit match so it could just be yeah an I quit match wrestling It's really not that hard Both Keith Lee and Bobby Lashley smash the cell apart bust one of the cell walls down getting out of the cell Bust a different wall down game back into the cell Keith Lee just throws Cedric Alexander to the rest of the hurt business counters a spear popping up Lashley for a spirit bomb one two Three Keith Lee wins the US title hotly star has a few big matches with complementary opponents and wins a secondary title Early on I know I'm a booking genius Thinking who could have ever thought this was a good idea because Keith Lee is US champion I like that to survive a series. I like that Keith leave me in the US champ Automatically gives that title a little bit more Power like a little bit more like Relevancy to it has got a new guy people are getting behind them to pushing them. He has a US champ Oh, you know US championship on the shoulders. It's nice. I like that. I do I'm liking this booking so far, which I expected these and Keith Lee versus Intercontinental champion Sammy Zayden hot Christmas. Just imagine if that happened to the f***ing takeover Wouldn't that be a bunch of f***ing sprinkles also this way this matches face versus heel not heel versus heel Bobby versus Sammy And also this way it's Keith Lee versus Sammy Wrestling's easy lads Keith wins that match by the way and after Survivor Series Keith Lee shifts his focus to and I cannot believe I'm saying this Retribution I promise carrying on Keith Lee's character work from his debut this kind of NXT redeemer who comes in and restores people to how good they were on the black and gold and also this image of him as an Unstoppable force who can tear through a faction and battering the big bully piss out of them He goes after retribution because He's going on a rescue mission. He interrupts one of their incomprehensible promos targets first, of course Me a year Reckoning he tells her I wanted this all of this being here in this ring on this stage I wanted that for us more than I've wanted anything in my entire life. I like that like this. This isn't you Yeah, I like that's man. It's simple They're in a real-life relationship. It makes sense bring some realism into the story simple You're not reckoning your mere Yim the woman I fell in love with please I don't know what Ali has promised you, but this isn't the way we'll work. I love this Please if you just take my hand reckoning looks like she's gonna take Keith Lee's hand and T bar stands in the way Lee turns to T bar and this is very so popular and I'm enjoying it I don't know if you are you're not T bar.  You're one of my closest friends I'm gonna bring you home the only way I know how by fighting you and Bringing out your very best the former Dominic Dijakovic robust Lee saying the man you knew is dead All of us got sick and tired of waiting down there sick and tired of watching chosen ones like you This is good. This is really it bring it blurs the lines of realism story line together It's believable.  I'm sick and tired of not getting the respect I deserve so I guess you could say Desperate times called for desperate measures Lee tries to talk T bar around telling him that the staff rally doesn't care about him He just wants faceless goons that he can use to push WWE around Ali is a bitter man with a chip on his shoulder I mean look at you Dominic because that's your name Dominic This is the price you pay for making a name for yourself on the big stage.  They know how to put together a signature match that everyone loves. Oh, that's cool We'll build to it. Let you do it on the biggest stage We've got in order to make fans happy and make them want to watch more of our show Wrestling's f**king easy for the love of Lee wrestles T bar at TLC halfway through the match rips off his mask again Which makes Dijakovic go super saying at one point the referee goes down Reckoning enters the ring with the US title belt looks like she might hit Keith Lee with it, but she can't do it She drops it leaves the ring Lee beats T bar But even in the loss gives him instantly more credibility than he had under the mask So Dom drops the mask Reckoning takes off hers becomes Mia Yim again And she embraces Lee in the middle of the ring teams up with Keith Lee and Dominic Dijakovic to help take down the rest of Retribution on raw retribution interfered to cost Keith Lee the US championship against Riddle leading to the Royal Rumble Keith Lee Dominic Dijakovic and Mia Yim versus Ali Mace and Slapjack the good guys win and the last members of Retribution turn on Ali at least having the chance to do so on a main pay-per-view stage instead of the Pre-show to I can't even fast lane This takes us to elimination chamber where there's a few changes Drew defends the belt against Shameless one-on-one instead of inside the chamber instead the raw elimination chamber match is to determine the number one Contender to the WWE Championship at WrestleMania guess who wins that hey If you guess Keith Lee you did it you pick the option that makes the most sense WrestleMania 37 you get Keith Lee versus Drew McIntyre for the WWE Championship Drew That's a good main event.  I hear you cry Well, the Miz doesn't cash in elimination chambers of Bobby's not champion yet Instead Keith Lee goes on a tear with the belt He defends it at backlash against Drew in a rematch then goes on to Hell in a Cell where he defends it in a full way All right, I'm back Braun Strowman beefy boys all the rage beefy boys in a cage instead. It's at money in the bank Literally the last possible moment that Miz can cash in before he loses the briefcase forever And then he does it Lee wrestles Braun Strowman He beats Braun before Lashley comes down spears Keith Lee, etc. So that the Miz can cash in Lassie then beats Miz for the belt leading to a Summer Slam Keith Lee versus Bobby Lashley One last time circling back to Keith Lee's first major feud on the main roster Lashley won the first match at Clash of Champions Keith Lee won the second one at the first Hell in the Cell This one is the decider and it's won by Lashley because Keith Lee doesn't need to win all the time to be a huge deal He just has to be treated like one literally that's it That's this video. I know right? There's nothing mind-boggling in here Just stuff that serves the character the characters past.  I just how do you how do you screw up Keith Lee? Don't blame COVID. They had months of him not having covered.  I thought it made me feel better It's just made me feel worse Can't believe he's gone. God. He's gonna do such great work elsewhere. But anyway, that's subscribe.  There's a hammer on the wall. Anyway Hey, man, I understand his pain and frustration people like to make you excuse He had COVID doesn't matter when he didn't have COVID they still wasn't booking him correctly They still wasn't giving him the momentum that he needed to be the Keith Lee. We know him to be simple as that That's all I got to say on that. But hey, I enjoyed this video. This was hella enjoyable straight to the point I loved it. Comment down below. Let me know if you guys Agree with Adam's booking of Keith Lee. Is there anything that you would have changed of his booking of Keith Lee? I enjoyed this I thought this was cool. I am the soap opera stuff. I get it retribution was a horrible mess But it's the best storyline they could possibly come up with with retribution in Keith Lee since there's some real life like Stuff going on, you know, same with him dating me and him and him having this amazing robbery with NXT with With Dodger Kovac it would have made sense could have brought them into the fold And it would have been somewhat of an entertaining story because there's some real life elements to it So I like that, you know, it is a little soap opera soap opera ish But I still enjoyed that then what WDW is giving us with retribution in the past So comment down below. Let me know appreciate all of support road to 70k. Appreciate y'all kicking it with me See y'all next week. Peace


Welcome to ITU Telecom World 2018 here in Durban, South Africa, where I've got the great pleasure of being joined in the studio today by Mark van Coppenola, who is head of government relations for Nokia. Mark, welcome to the studio. It's a pleasure. Now, I'd like to start off by talking about smart and digital development. That's the key catchphrase this year. How is Nokia working towards it? Yeah, I think if you look at the smart digital development, it's a lot about the Fort Industrial Revolution. Actually what we are seeing is that it's no longer a future state vision. It's really happening. Of course, various countries that are various phases of development, but what you're seeing is that we are having, in fact, for instance, health networks which are being transformed to smart digital health networks with predictive monitoring. What you're having as well is energy networks that are being transformed to smart energy networks where you have demand and supply being aligned. This is very much close to our heart. Our tech line is creating the technology to connect the world. And we are putting a lot of effort in R&D. And related to 5G, we are active in a number of use cases, 60 use cases around the world and also very much in artificial intelligence. So all these things are really very close to our heart. Now let's talk about innovation. What single innovation or innovative technology, product strategy or policy do you think is most transformative? I think if you combine 5G with artificial intelligence, this will be truly transformative. 5G is about a lot of use cases and it's about combining a huge amount of bandwidth. It's about reduced latency. It's about the capability to connect massive amount of devices. So you have more 100,000 of devices per square kilometer that you can connect.  And all this data that is being captured by these networks through artificial intelligence will be able to be processed. You will be able to predict a number of things. And this will lead to a huge amount of automation which will make our life and work much better. It may seem an obvious question, but is there a case of 5G in Africa? Absolutely. So if you look at, of course, in Africa you have various stages of development depending on the country in terms of adoption of new technology. But I think we can really prepare for 5G in Africa. There is a huge amount of bandwidth demand that will come. I talked about industrial use cases, but you can also think about smart education. You can think about smart agriculture. So all those things will really be there. And I think operators have really to prepare to 5G. They can start transforming their network so that the use cases are going to be implemented. And so how can regulators and policymakers help to 5G to deliver on expectations? So what I think is important here is to have a 5G-ready policy framework. And this consists of various things. First of all, spectrum must be there. So allocation of spectrum, freeing spectrum in time. The second point which is important is to make sure that infrastructure deployment are incentivized or made possible. So right of ways. Making sure that small cells can be installed. And all the procedures around that are really being simplified. And then of course it's important to have the business models being enabled. So making sure that policies allow differentiation of traffic, but also free flow of data. So that's related to the telecom environment. But then we also need to look at policies in the non-telecom world. Because you might have some policies that date from the pre-digitalization age. And that these policies are not up, or let's say can hamper digitalization. So we need to look at those as well. So making sure that there is no blockage for digitalization in those. So everyone's on the same page. I wanted to ask you, you're here at ITU Telecom World. Do you travel quite a long way here for urban Brussels? I wanted to find out what's the value for you of attending events such as this? Yeah, I mean it's the third time in a row I'm attending this. And the real nice thing is that you can catch up with colleagues from industry or from other sectors. You can share best practices. And the nice thing is, what I heard in this event is that everyone is on the same page related to 5G. It's getting there. It's just around the corner. You have of course countries that are more advanced than others. But on the other hand, there is big progress also in developing markets. That's really nice to hear. Mark van Governel, thank you very much indeed. Thanks a lot. Thank you.


Let's clear this up once and for all. Did you do anything to harm your sister, John Bonnet? Did you murder your sister, John Bonnet? I made it. All right. You ready? Yeah. Yep. Here we go. I'm Scott Rouse, my body language expert and analyst, and I train law enforcement, the military, and interrogation in body language, and I created the number one online body language course, Body Language Tactics with Greg Hartley. Mark. I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language, helping people all over the world to stand out when trust and gain credibility every time they communicate, including some of the leaders of the G7, Chase. I'm Chase Hughes. I did 20 years in the U.S. military. Nowadays, I teach intelligence agencies and the general public in enhanced persuasion, interrogation, influence, and people reading. I'm also the number one bestselling author of the ellipsis manual and behavior profiling. Greg. Greg Hartley. I'm a former Army interrogator, interrogation instructor, resistance to interrogation instructor, written 10 books on body language and behavior. Put together this number one BodyLanguageTactics.com course with Scott.  All right. Now, this is your first time being here. Go ahead and subscribe. We're over 200,000 subscribers now. We're on a jag. So go ahead and subscribe. We really appreciate it. Hit the like button as well. Today, we're going to talk about Burke Ramsey. He's Jean Manet's brother. And there was a big hoopla about whether he had anything to do with what happened to her. So we're going to take a look at the videos from Dr. Phil's show where he interviewed Burke. And keep in mind as we go through this, we're not on the side of whether he's guilty or not guilty or anything, he did it or didn't do it. We're Switzerland. We don't care. We could not possibly care less. We don't even know that guy. We're just telling you what we see in the body language in these specific videos. Now at the end, we'll say, here's what we might say, here's what we think happened in the big picture. But for what we're doing now is we're just showing you the body language and telling you about that, that we're seeing in these specific videos that we're showing you. That's it. All right. You ready? Yeah. Here we go. You remember waking up that morning? Yep.  I'm running around my room, looking for a job and a, at that point I was awake. And the next thing I remember is a police officer coming to my room and shining a flashlight. It was still dark when this happened. Yeah. I was just laying there. I never go first on these, so I'm going to go first this time. Good. All right. So a lot of people are going to say, this behavior we're seeing is odd. It is odd behavior for most people. But what we're seeing here is when people say, well, he's really still. He doesn't move very much. What's going on is this. We're seeing small scale demonstrative behavior. In other words, we're seeing the same things we've seen someone who moves around a lot, but we're seeing very small, very small movements. For example, if you go see Mark, I see here is somewhere where Mark does a keynote. He's all the time. He's way, you know, he uses everything. Even on here, he's using, he's very demonstrative with his, with his illustrators. But in this case, the Berks illustrators are really small. Everything from, we see hardly any movement in his eyebrows at all throughout all of these throughout the entire videos that we're using here. The time we see it the most here is when he talks about being awake. When he says, I was awake, then that's when his eyebrows go up. And then again, where he talks about the cop of the flashlight, which we'll get into in just a few minutes. But we don't see a whole lot of behaviors that are what would normally be called termed as normal. For example, the behaviors we're seeing are common among those with autism on the autistic spectrum and really, really introverted and shy people. So that when we see his movements, they're very small, they're really little, like in this case, we're seeing when, when he, when he, we see three at a time sometimes where his eyebrows, his eyebrows will go up, but his head will move back, his arms will come up. There is one time where his eyebrows do move at the same time. We see his hand fidgeting. We can tell he's under a lot of stress because the way his hand is fidgeting, he's not moving the whole lot, his hand is fidgeting. Also his legs are crossed. Most people are going to be under the impression that when someone's legs are crossed and their arms are crossed, they're not into what you have to say, they're, they're turned off. In this case, it's his ankles are crossed and his legs are still open a little bit. That denotes, it indicates that he's relaxed a little bit. Dr. Phil's a great guy. We've talked to him. He's a really nice guy. So I'm sure beforehand he's talked to him, got him relaxed and got him ready to ask these questions to him. So the kid's fairly relaxed. When we, when we see him getting stressed again, we see things a little chew on his mouth and we see that hand get to go in there. When he gets really stressed, he'll, he'll pop off with a couple other things, which we'll get into later on. If, but going back to the crossed ankles, if you're in an elevator, try to keep your legs crossed before anybody gets on, cross your legs and lean up against the back there. When somebody gets on, your brain is going to say, we better, we better not do this anymore. Not just from a social aspect, but from a, I better protect myself aspect. So his, his, his ankles are crossed, which that lets us know, or lets you know that he's relaxed and he's, he doesn't feel threatened at this point. So that's what I got. Greg, what do you got? Yeah. So for me, among the best parts of this entire interview is the fact that Dr. Phil is asking questions that he is no reason to lie to what we would call a control question, typically something that we can get a baseline for this guy. So we see his baseline. Now I'm also going to tell you, he's got a nervous, weird smile. There are two things I'll say about that. It's only nervous and weird. If you're not him, in his case, it's always there. Go look at pictures of him at his mother's funeral. Go look at pictures of him as a child. That smile is there. I was talking to my sister a lot of days. She had a great point, never even considered it.  His mother was coaching and he always saw it. Maybe he picked that up there. Don't know, not speculating, but great call out by Lisa. So then if I look at his baseline, he's open, mostly his legs crossed, like you said, but that's pretty, he's still pretty open in his body language at this point. And he's illustrating, meaning punctuating what he's thinking very effectively. Or it's chase. I think you call a body narration. He's using a flashlight. He's sleeping.  He does a request for approval. That brow goes up and his hands come up as if, Hey, what are we going to do here? If you want to know if this smile is a smile or if it's just his normal, go back to when he says, um, at that point I was awake, I'm sorry. The next thing I remember, go to go back, watch the video and freeze it when he says the next thing I remember and look at his face. It's not a smile. It's his normal.  I guess is the way you put it, right? He's good. Just have the face that looks like he's smiling all the time. This guy is one of those people. So we're looking at what's a baseline for him. Remember, if you do something enough, it's normal for you humans form habits very quickly. And we all have something odd. It's just, we're not all being asked if we killed someone. So we are not all under that kind of scrutiny. Chase, what do you got? Absolutely agree with you, Greg. And I think my first thing here is smiling in parentheses, pageant mom training. So that was, that was a big thing that I thought about this morning. And I do think there's a very good potential that we're dealing with someone on the spectrum here. And so everything that the moment that you realize something like this is happening, everything needs to be taken as an outlier. This behavior might be an outlier. So the eyes are moving to five o'clock. If you're looking at him, I'm giving you the clock eyes are moving to five o'clock when his mom is looking for John Bonnet, but they're three o'clock when he's talking about the police and the torch or the flashlight, as we say here. So think of those two things. The police probably did happen. And if I was the interrogator here, I would say this is two different things. There's different things going on here. Talk about mom coming in. I'm talking about laying in bed and being asleep and my body doesn't move. But I'm talking about the police coming in and searching the room. And now my body gets a lot more movement, a lot more illustrative. And the eyes and body move together as he's recalling the police being in there. They did not in the first part. And when he discusses laying in bed, his body shows you how he was laying, his narrating, he's showing you what was going on. And when he speaks about his mother coming in to ask where John Bonnet is, there's no movement, there's not a lot of movement there. But when he's talking about laying in bed, both of his hands are up like this. And I think he was scared when he woke up that morning. And that's what we call a pugilistic movement. If even if a human being burns to death in a fire, their body naturally ends up in that position permanently because that's our natural go to response for a pugilistic situation or a self defense. So it's an interesting video here. And I'm going to talk about his baseline throughout, but Greg hit a lot of that. And I want you to watch when he makes eye contact and when he doesn't. So starting now, we're going to rewatch this. You'll see the rest of these videos. Watch when he makes it and when he doesn't make it. I think that's pretty relevant. Mark. Yeah, lovely. So think about one of the things that you're going to want to do when you're in a pageant. One of the things you're not going to want to show is that you are you have fear. Essentially, I think what we're going to see through this is how he tries to protect himself from showing fear. There are many types of smile out there. Some of the smiling we're going to see is that pageant smile. It's bright eyed and bushy tailed. There's a real life in the eyes, but actually we don't see the wrinkles here that would make it a true smile of pleasure. It's kind of put on to give energy and life. Sometimes we're going to see the smile of fear. And I think you're absolutely right, Chase. I've got it myself that this is a signal of fear. We see when he talks about when he starts reenacting that moment of the police coming in, we see him shrink as the police come in. Then he becomes the police officer and we see him grow a little bit and look around as the police officer. That tells me he's able to take on different characters, which would mean he's even easily influenced into taking on aspects of the story. That tells me as well, going further down, we'd have to be careful interviewing him because he'll easily take on any character that we present to him. What I do want to say is right at the start, you know, do you remember this? Yeah, it's really clear. Yeah, it's not yes, I do. There seems to be no kind of I'll elongate this. I'll make it grander than it needs to be. Just yeah, I remember it. He becomes himself, the police officer. He acts that out. We do see these indicators in his hand of some stress and pressure, and we'll see that later on where he kind of digs into his own hand to kind of potentially self-stimulate and alleviate some of the pressure that he's not in control of from outside. But yeah, I just want to leave it on that. It feels to me already. He's easy to influence and he's going to use this smiling to protect himself, to placate other people, to not let us know that he's fearful because he's on display right now. He knows this is a big TV show. He's with a really high status character there. Yeah, Dr. Phil, really lovely to be around. Absolutely, but super famous. And so it's a big high stress situation to that sense. There, that's what I got for you. All right, one thing I want to add about his illustrators is when we see we see four of them at the same time, I think I said three earlier, we see his eyebrow. This is the most illustrator we see used at one time in this thing.  That's two if we count one, two, three, then four. That's four of them at one time. So he's really he's he's he's paying attention to what he's saying. And he's really trying. He's really selling as he goes through that, which is good, which is what you want to do. And that that comes out naturally. So when you see those, you see two or three in Tandemore in concert with each other, that's actually a good sign. And especially when you see a lot of illustrators that the person is most likely being forthright or honest about what they're talking about. He's following his story. We're getting sorry, you go ahead, Greg. Yes, following his story is my favorite part of the whole thing. He looks like he's telling a story. What's interesting is this guy has been kind of cloistered since Chambane was killed. And so all of this kind of behavior, all of the body language that we all take for granted, he's not he's not using it. He's not around all the same people we are. We're all more comfortable because we're in front of people. And the more cloistered you are, the more likely your body language is to become odd. And if you ever run into people who are in a very cloistered environment, they all have signaling that's odd. I don't know a whole lot about him. I know he works in some kind of computer security now, and he's very private now. So yeah. Yeah, I would say we're getting a lot of information compressed into short areas, and that's why we might see a lot of stuff like, for example, Chase, when you were talking about his eyes going from five to kind of the other side, I think that's because time is being compressed for him.  But because he's being asked to talk about them now, they kind of get crunched together. And it just looks a bit weird that he goes from one side to the other side. If he told the story over time, I think, you know, we might get something more usual from him. But I don't see him hiding time to what something that, you know, Greg might might bring up. There's no there's no and and then. Right. You know, verbal version of that. Yeah, it just jumps from from one story to another. One thing to bug me to death. And I don't want to talk bad about their editor. But man, you probably know this is Mark. The ending on this, the video editing is OK. But the sound on it is horrible because you hear the room sound when when Burke is talking and when Dr. Field talks, it's just Dr. Fields all compressed and nice. And you don't have that room sound. The editor should have taken you do when you go film somewhere or video somewhere, you get what's called a room sound. So if there are any problems, you know, that room sound go over. So if you have an odd edit, you know, it doesn't sound one noise in one sound of the room this way when somebody's talking, then a completely different sound when somebody else is talking. That kept bugging the squad out of me. I couldn't stand that. Wait till next time you're on Dr. Field and that sound engineer gets hold of you. That's what I say to want to talk bad about. Maybe they're in a hurry or something. You remember waking up that morning? Yep.  Running around my room, looking for Jaminé. At that point, I was awake. And the next thing I remember is a police officer coming to my room and shining a flashlight. Was still dark when this happened. Yeah, I was just laying there. All right, we good? Yeah. Yeah. What time did she come in? Early, I don't remember. Had to be it was still dark. So it had to be yeah. Did she turn on the light when she came in? I don't remember. She did or not. I do remember the cop coming in and shining a flashlight around so the light must have been off. All right, Chase, what do you got? Don't just give you a quick technique here that you can see in the video and you can actually use. This is what's called a simple question. He's like, was it dark? And he says, I don't think it was dark, but he continues to provide more information or Dr. Phil asked, when was it? And he says, I don't know, but continues to provide and silly and silly area information that is not relevant to the question. And I think this speaks to his upbringing and it can really illustrate how a person is going to behave the rest of an interview for all of us when we interview somebody. If we ask him a simple question, they continue to provide more information. That's not deceptive, but I know that my technique is going to change down the road in how I ask questions. Greg. Yeah, so a couple of things. What I see here is a bit of anxiety about how he's performing with Dr. Phil.  Not because he's lying, but because he's uncertain.  And if you're not sure that when he does that goofy little that's a request for approval. That is a that is a confirmation glance. That's whatever you want to call it, but it shows confusion in his face. And he's literally with his face saying, does that make sense? You can't miss it. I mean, he's really worried about how this guy is going to treat him. And he does rifle through his memory. If you see his eyes rifle around his head in different places, I got it. First of all, he's nine. If you ask most nine year olds what time it was early, because they're not going to think in terms of time. And so it's a good question for Dr. Phil because it forces him to think it's a style that he's adopted that works for him with all those euphemisms and stuff he uses. I just see a kid who wants to make this guy happy. That's what I see. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, exactly the same. He's worried he's in front of a high status figure and he wants to get it right, but he doesn't have the data for him. And so and so he's just he's taking all the help he can get from Dr. Phil and Dr. Phil's helping him. He's going, you know, what time was it? Yeah, I don't quite know. Well, it must have been early. Yeah, I'll go with that. I'll go with I'll go with early. Yeah. And so and so then you even see some disgust for his inability to come up with the certain data that the interviewer is asking for the big thing that comes out of me for me here is that he's responding to status here. And it's so important for him to get things right for somebody of this this status. Already, I think his memories are getting muddled and there's a lot of kind of compression happening of of of time. You know, in the last story, he put two things, you know, very close together, and I think that's why we got that immediate eye movement here. Dr. Phil's kind of helped him spread it out and gone, well, they must have been some distance apart. And he's going, yeah, like an hour, three quarters of an hour. Like he just doesn't know he doesn't have that that that timeline there. So I think he's he's under pressure and he's doing his best in these circumstances. Still, we have that again, that slight smile that none of us are really expecting for the circumstance. But for him, it's quite usual for him to have that slight smile. And again, look to the corners. It's not the smile of pleasure. It's the smile of some other things, more likely the smile of I want to get this right for the high status person. It's a smile of application, I would say. Scott, what do you got? We see his stress is jacking up a little bit. As his hand starts squiggling around over here, he does that a lot. If you'll notice his fingernails are a little bit long, doesn't mean he doesn't take care of himself, but apparently he likes that kind of thing because they are a little bit long. But his hand gets over there and visits a little bit. Also, when Dr. Phil, I thought I asked a great question. He said, did she turn the light on? That's when he freezes. That's when everything stops. And he goes in. That's when we see his eyes rifle around and they're looking for information trying to think and he doesn't remember whether she did or not. You know, she must have, you know, but then he says, again, his chase talks about where he's narrating the story. He shows how the cop was was, you know, the I think he says the cop was shine later on. He remembered that part. But you guys have covered pretty much everything I had on here. But this is this is the biggest smile he's had so far. That's one that goes up that goes up the large to this point. But that's it. I think you guys got everything. Well, a couple of things and we're talking about smiles. I think I think it was a man who said it's the most complex of all human expressions is a smile. I mean, there are nine different kinds of smiles for a member of the number. But chimps smile and show their teeth from terror. So if you don't project on to him that what we are seeing is, hey, I'm trying to hide something, hey, then you get an entirely different thing. So yeah, I saw the same movement. I think if we can keep our minds open and forget how creepy the smile looks when you're talking about death, you'll see a different thing. Yeah, I agree with you. The reason it's it's going to be creepy is when is is our instinct defaults to negatives when it doesn't know why something is happening. So we've been presented here with a boy smiling around being questioned about his sister's death. We in our minds can't work out why would you smile? So our instinct goes because you've done something bad. It's it's safer for us to default to negatives rather than default to positives and go, you know, a positive view of it would be he's just trying to put plate the person of high status because he's under pressure. And that's what he does to his teachers, his youth club leaders, his father, his mother, anybody of status. He's going to he's going to smile, you know. Yeah. And that smile when we're talking about the things we're seeing in his smile and Mark keeps saying it's not the right counterinkles. That's the lateral canthus. That's that's little muscles here on the side.  When you squint, they come down like this. But when you do it, when your brain does it, they come in an angle like this. They kind of squish in. That's what we're looking for in there. And that's known as that's part of what's known as a Duchenne smile. That's where you've got the obituary ocular down here. Those old muscles push up. We're not seeing that in his smile in this next video. He's got a huge one. And this is going to be the biggest smile. I think he has the whole thing. And what we're seeing is his teeth are going to come together like you guys are talking about, and it's almost that animal animalistic fake smile.  Everybody you go, that's the fake smile. So what we're seeing there is a combination, I think of fear. And and just trying, as Greg was saying earlier, to please Dr. Phil, try to make everything copacetic, make everything smooth, because he's a little bit nervous. So I'm going to talk my part out for the next video. Yeah. And Desmond Moran, Moran's, gosh, Desmond Morris referred to that smile as the smile of deference when he refers to primate behavior. Yeah. All right. And that's Chase Hughes, author of the number one bestseller, the ellipsis manual, talking about Desmond Moran. Zero. Oh, man. What time did she come in early? I don't remember. It had to be it was still dark. So it had to be. Yeah. Did she turn on the light when she came in? I don't remember. She did or not. I do remember the cop coming in and shining a flashlight around so the light must have been off. How long after she came in before the police officer came in? Under an hour. So she comes in and were you asleep when she came in? Did she wake you up?   Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. What else did she say? Did you know she was looking for Jaminé? I remember saying, where's my baby? Where's my baby? All right. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, yeah.  You'll see him look to the side. You'll see the eyes widen significantly. That moment when he was woken up, he was scared. You'll see again. Fear on where's my baby? Where's my baby? And you'll see him dig his fingers into the soft part of the flesh here in order to create his own stimulation because the stimulation of that event is out of control for him. I think what we're looking at here is somebody trying to still manage the intense fear that must have happened in that in that situation. I would I would imagine because of the intensity of the mother's behavior, the voice. Do you hear how he goes? Where's my baby? Where's my and how soft he is? It's nothing like anybody would say, where's my baby? Where's my baby? He's gone almost to the opposite side of that so that he doesn't have to deal with the intensity of that that moment. Out breath on under an hour. I think there's an out breath at the head because it's like, I don't know. This is stuff that I don't have the answer to. And, you know, he's upset with himself but not being able to go. You know what? I got the stopwatch out. And, you know, how old was he when this when this happened? Nine. Nine. Yeah. He's not able to go. Well, as a nine year old, I always. Oh, no, Mark Sprouse. OK, what does he look like he's doing? Let's break that down. And Greg, you're muted now. Seems OK. Let me just let me just try and go back. Yeah, you're going to. No, I think we make up a name for that move. Swahili Milkmaid. I think he just won the lottery. Look at him. Wow. So Mark, I agree with you for sure. And I think, you know, the smile is his baseline. That's that's what he's doing here. It's his baseline in this. And in another video, if you watched another one of our videos, you've heard us saying that people who say, I remember blank, I remember blank are more likely to be deceptive. But in this case, Dr. Phil uses that word in the question. So that takes away from us all probably saying that this is deceptive because he's saying, I remember that something happened. And just as a note here, his eyes kind of retreat to this five o'clock position when when you're watching him. So they did this when he was being asked a question. And they did this specifically when he was a little bit nervous when he break any broke eye contact with Dr. Phil, it went down and to his left when he was nervous and uncomfortable. So just make a note of that, Scott. Yeah, I did the Shane markers and everything.  So, Greg, what do you got? Oh, yeah. So, Chase, I think one thing that you've already you started to mention, you're going to go back and watch videos that we've said before. When a guy says this, we are suspicious because it's not in their baseline. There's a deviation. This guy's got a baseline. Think we lost, Chase? No, you're you're glitching a little, Chase. But I'll go back. So, Chase, I think you can't say enough that we in past times have said this means that I would dig in further because it something changes in their baseline. But if you ask a question, hey, do you remember? And I say, yeah, I remember that that's an answer. That's not a way to hide time, a way to stall. So he's not stalling here. He's just trying to answer. What I see here is confusion. I see, hey, I don't know how I was I was nine. And I see him trying to answer what Dr. Phil's asking, but just not having the capability. So when he says under an hour, he's looking to see if is that good enough? And that left down what you're calling the five o'clock is that internal voice. Hey, how do I answer this question in a way that makes sense?  Remember, he's not just talking to Dr. Phil.  First interview he's given. So he's keenly aware of that. He's keenly aware this is going to be a hot topic. I do see him walking through. He does that adapter piece. She woke me up the minute Dr. Phil gives him anything to grasp that because he's confused and doesn't have the information he fills it in. So he's like, yeah, yeah, she woke me up. He's following that. Now, could that be deception? Absolutely. It could be deception. But why would he be deceptive about that? We're seeing a pattern. We're seeing a baseline. We're seeing a way this guy communicates. And that will be important when he's asked the hard questions. How long after she came in before the police officer came in? Under an hour. So she comes in and were you asleep when she came in? Did she wake you up?   What else did she say? Did you know she was looking for John Bonet? I remember saying, where's my baby? Where's my baby? Ready? Yeah, let's move along. Excuse me? You fell? What do you think about that? I think, well, I asked my dad and we did this for him. He wanted me to let him have him in the basement, so I think someone took a very quiet way. He put it down and said, you need to come and help. You have some death. You think that's how she died? I don't think so. What do you think you're saying there? Well, I think, I mean, she's asked me what happened to my sister. Like, well, she was killed and she keeps kind of going deeper. She's like, well, like, what do you think happens? And I'm like, you know what happened? She was killed and she asked me what I would think. And so I guess theorizing what happened. And I think I felt a little awkward talking about it. And I think it was just something that I thought everyone knew. And so it's like, why are you asking me about this again? Right. All right, Chase, what do you got? Yes, it's interesting to watch someone watch their own childhood. And let's very quickly touch on his childhood. He had something that a psychologist might refer to or would refer to as scatolia, where he would rub feces around the house or rub feces on other people's belongings. He even did it to Jean Bonet's candy that she got for Christmas one time. And the scatolia is tied to autism. There's not a whole lot of research tying that together. But there are some academic studies and some good scholarly articles that tie those two together. And it's typically seen as either a cry for help or some form of aggression. And I think in his case, especially seeing how he did it, that it was some form of aggression towards Jean Bonet. And I know that this video has been talked about ad nauseam. But I think it's interesting when she's very at the very beginning, when she's starting to get to the point where she's asking him, what do you think happened? He's hitting himself in the head with the video game. So I don't think we're seeing deception here, but I absolutely think that we're seeing some kind of concealment. I think something is being concealed here. And one of the reasons I think so is because any of us, myself included, if we look at even just a photograph of our younger self, even if it was just a few years ago, we are seeing the insecurities, the struggles, the secrets, the tiny little things we did that we're ashamed of in that human being that nobody else can see when they see that photograph. But we are seeing all of those things. So he is seeing all the knowledge that he has. He's seeing the insecurities. He's seeing what he's trying to hide. We're always trying to hide something. Everybody wears a mask of some sort when we present ourselves to the world. And the video is very revealing, but especially to him. It's revealing. And he sees all those secrets that he thinks other people can probably see those secrets. That that would happen to almost any of us. But he uses. An increased amount of removal and softening and ambiguous language in this video. And I'm just going to cover that really quick. I'm going to go through in order the words that he uses specifically in this video. He says, I think I mean like, kind of like, like, like. So I guess theorizing might have, I think a little, I think it was just like. And that one response. So I think he's. Removing certainty so that anything that comes out or any question that Dr. Phil asked that's pointed can still make his statement relevant because he's taken so much certainty out of it. So we are seeing some form of concealment here, but not a lot of deception. Scott. All right. This is the video we see the most moving in his body for an extended period of time. His legs are jiggling. He's moving his hands around as you're watching. He's going back and forth like this as he jiggles his leg. That's all normal, but he's getting rid of that that built up stress and tension from watching that video like Chase has covered. And then at the same time, he's going to be on TV and then being asked that question. So it's a lot of stress is getting rid of. We hear that at the very beginning of it, we hear him blow out that big breath that before he starts, he's very demonstrative when it comes to releasing his stress. So that's that's another thing you'll see a lot of times in autistics or people on the spectrum as well. And at the end, of course, we see that discussed look that he makes because he didn't want to ask that question. That's a horrible question, especially for a nine year old. But at that point, it had to be asked. That's a process you need to go through as part of the protocol of how you handle those situations. So that's what I got. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so it takes it very, very literally and reports on his literal taking of it. So what do you think happened? The question is somewhere in imagination or looking at options. He says, I know, I know what what happened, which is true. He doesn't know what what happened. Or certainly, you know, it's been reported to him and he has maybe seen a body. I'm not sure. Certainly he's potentially investigated a bit, been in a funeral at this point. He knows she died. OK, and then I I think and he goes back into his area of possibility and imagination, but he doesn't know the answer to how this this happened. So he defers to a figure of authority to his father and he goes to the idea of the basement. So again, he can't answer the the question of like, how did this come about? But he can answer if he defers to authority where it happened. And so he goes to that area there. You know, essentially, he doesn't have the answers to the questions that are being asked here. I would suggest there is then a big difference between what he knows. He says, I know and what he's having to theorize around where he says at the end. Well, probably, probably this happened. Now, what I think is really special about this is we are seeing him doing just like he's doing in the older version of himself, taking on the part of the characters. In this play, so we see him enact going down into the basement. You see his body wobble from side to side as he's I think he's kneeling there, but he's still able to go.  OK, he takes on the character of that part. We don't see him act out how if she was led down or if she was carried down. He says it was probably silent and they went down there. But there's no idea that he knows how or has an idea of how she went down there. He then enacts a knife and then a hammer. Both of them have done the same. He doesn't act out where they're taken from. He just he's just got a tool in his hand. And for him, a knife and a hammer, they all work like that. Now, you know, we might speculate that if you were part of this situation, you might be seeing how he's enacted other stuff. He's been there with with torches and been a police officer. He's been there in bed later on. He's pretty good at acting stuff out. He signals to where to his mother, where his mother is. So he's really good at painting the picture, but he can't as a child paint this picture, which would make me suspect he he doesn't know he doesn't know what happened. Yeah, he has some knowledge that he's got from other people, but he personally is not able to see the picture of of how she died. And therefore he's not going to act it out. Now, to chase his point, this whole idea of of of, you know, using feces. Yes, in the animal kingdom, it's absolutely used as a territorial signal. We still use it in the in our human world. We will often talk when we when we're talking about violence, we'll use words aligned with feces. We're going to throw all that we can at that. OK, this idea of throwing it, distributing it, it marks out territory. So yes, there could be some issues of territorial aggression that go on. And and and I think that's why later on in this episode, you'll you'll see him not quite be able to answer questions around doing harm, not quite being able to be certain about has he not done any harm. And we'll come to that later on. But I think Scott, are we over to you? Scott, what you got? Oh, sorry, Greg, where you got?  That's what we are. We're just an onion. We keep growing and growing and growing. We get the opportunity to see him as a child. And his communication style is not dramatically different than now. It's evading eye contact, not looking you dead in the eyes when he's talking. He's uncomfortable. And I'm going to say this to everybody watching you.  You're probably going to feel very uncomfortable. Watch him and watch him sink back into self. He goes away, Scott, you're dead on. He barriers and adapts what I call sacred spaces. The holiest is the safest place we can go. I make myself a place comfortable and then I adapt. You know, as we always say, adapters are a way to make the uncomfortable comfortable. It's a way to release nervous energy and it's a way to take control of the unknown. So you see discomfort and it culminates in that disgust. You see, when she asks the question, but he's adapting, he's moving his feet and legs. I think there's some regression and maybe even some arrested development. Guys, I'm no psychologist, but this guy, you see him when he gets into this, start to go back into a different place. And even his cadence and shift, he shifts away, he responds to Dr. Phil. I think it's a bad place. And I think he's put back in that space from that time. Now, none of that means he's guilty or innocent of anything. I would, if I were in an interrogation with this guy, I would then take advantage of it. Now, I'd lower my voice and start asking him a few questions about, tell me about that day. He doesn't remember any of this. He doesn't remember all of the details about when it happened, what times. One thing, one other good indicator for me. A nine year old doesn't talk about people silently moving. He's heard this from a parent, from someone who has used those words. Guilty knowledge we use in interrogation all the time. When a person has a word they shouldn't have. A nine year old using a word like silently now, of course, he's evolved it to now. But that's when he's there and he's a child saying silently. That's not nine year old speak, typically. Hey, they were really quiet and they did this or whatever. But that's not the details that a kid thinks up typically.  Been around a few of them was one. I can remember being a little kid. You don't think quite in the same way you do as an adult. And Chase, we talk about it all the time.  So you can see him sitting there, getting very discomfort, a lot of discomfort, blocking himself in, going back into a state where he was there. And he's seeing all that horrible stuff. So is he uncomfortable? Yeah, would I poke into him? Yeah, because I want to know why he responds the way he does. But we're seeing his baseline as a child mirrored in his adult behavior. It's all I got. Well, I asked my dad, we could be friends, we wanted him. But I thought we would be in the same thing. So I think someone is a very quiet man. He told dad that he needed to come and help. He looked so bad. You think that's how she died? Maybe he was very happy. What do you think you're saying there? Well, I think she's asked me what happened to my sister. Like, well, she was killed and she keeps kind of going deeper. She's like, well, like, what do you think happens? And I'm like, you know what happened? She was killed and she asked me what I would think. And so I guess theorizing what what happened, I think I felt a little awkward talking about it. And I think it was just something that I thought everyone knew. And so it's like, why are you asking me about this again? Right. OK, are we good? Yeah, all right.  What do you say about that? Look at the evidence or the lack thereof. Part of their rationale, these people say you are the only one that your parents would go to the links that they went to to cover up everything that happened. They're talking about fabricating this ransom note. They're talking about if she was strangled in causing the head injury. All of this cover up was all done to protect you because they didn't want to lose two children. That's their theory. I don't know to say that because I know that's not what happened. There's there's been a few people that said that's not even physically possible for a nine year old to do that. Like, you won't find any evidence because that's not what happened. I know I didn't do it. OK, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so he starts off by accessing a motion when Dr. Phil starts this this path. This is an attack of sorts.  He's just saying boom, boom, boom, but it is an attack of sorts. There's an interesting thing that happens in his face when he realizes an attack is his face goes slack. It's a deviation in baseline. That's his stress face. You see it really just go slack. You don't see the smile anymore. He uses up. He does. He does declare his innocence. I didn't do it and he does a contracted. It's not the non-contracted denial. He has a smile of disgust or distaste. Mark, you'll call it a bitter taste. That smile of disgust or distaste. And if you watch him, he is very strong to say I didn't do it. We also always will bring up when they say evidence. But he further clarifies to say, you're not going to find any evidence because I didn't do it. And then his body language says, what else do you want me to say? Everything you could possibly do, both shoulders up, palms up, face up. All that is congruent messaging to say, I got nothing. This is it. That's what I got. Scott, what do you get? All right. Well, this is this is where I really started feeling sorry for this kid because he's he's talking to Dr. Phil, he's resting on his hand and just that when he starts asking that question, when he says a lot of people believe that his hand goes down and briefly, just before it cuts away, you'll see contempt because he asked contempt for those people that are saying that about him. And you've got to pay really close attention to that. Maybe I'll put I'll put that in so you can see a little bit better. And when he says, yeah, that's when we say see a full on contempt in his face at that point and contempt is the expression with just one side of your. It's the only asymmetric facial expression. So when one side of your face goes up now, it looks like both sides are going up, but take a look because one side goes up just a little bit more than the other on that. So we're seeing full on contempt at that point.  We see his head go down as he's talked about that. And that's what you see when someone's in the middle of being deceptive or if they're getting ready to steal something or if they've done something wrong to see that head go down. That's not what we're seeing. We're not seeing turtling there. What we're seeing is almost a recoil. We're seeing his head go back.  We've seen him almost recoil. It's very slow, but you really got to pay attention and you and you'll see it. So all these things I always look for. It's the reason this is jumping out to me. So it's not turtling. It's he's just recoiling at that point. Chase, what do you got? Yep, you guys have covered pretty much everything. But I think it's important to see he also when he that question starts getting asked, we have exit search. He his eyes go to eight o'clock and I the layout of that room is pretty clear. The exit's over right where his eyes are looking. And that's that's what that deviation from his normal eye movement is. And his eyes when he's being asked the question and right before he starts to respond, move to his normal position for his baseline for every video I could find of him, which is three o'clock for you looking at it, which is three o'clock. And everything there is synchronous. There's not asynchronous or non synchronous behavior with body movement and the words that he's saying, Mark. Yeah, totally agree. Yeah, it's such a shame that that that shoulder drop there because he's doing his best to hold himself up and somehow his wrist gives out or, you know, the tension there just gives way at that point where this, as Greg says, this attack comes. I think I think he suffers a little bit in in the public's mind from the same thing that his mum suffers from, which he's not that likeable. He's not easily likable. And especially at that point of look at the evidence or lack of lack of lack thereof, it comes out with a strength of voice and a vocabulary that we haven't really heard from him before. I think he's heard that from somebody else. I think that's him becoming a character, reciting something because it's such a different pitch. And I think it hits us so strong, it's so confident that as a public, I think we push back on that because we don't like his confidence at that point that there is zero evidence for him being involved at the level that people kind of think he is or maybe even hope he is. I'm not quite sure. So we like his mum. He's just not likable. I think the other thing I want to point out is there's no resume statements from him. There's nothing of like I wouldn't I'm not that kind of person. You know, I'm not that kind of brother. There's nothing like that. He tries to defer to things that might have authority around that. Even stuff of like, well, there are several people who said just a nine year old won't be able to do that. We know everybody knows that nine year olds can do all kinds of stuff. But he's now kind of grasping at straws of where can he find some kind of status figure to back him up around this? I think by the end of it, you know, we do see that double shoulder shrug. And he's truly resigned to the idea of I've got nothing more to give you. I don't know what to do or what to say anymore. It's utter resignation at the end, defeat at the end, I would say. That's all I got on this one. Yeah, a couple of things, guys. Watch the video again and watch the still images of him at the funeral net. He's got that smile face. It's just the way he looks. It's just part of it. The other thing is, Mark, you started to hit it.  We look at this list of things that he's not doing. And we're looking for clusters of behavior. So yeah, he's got some. Does he have some weird behaviors? Yeah, there's he's odd in his behavior. That doesn't make him a killer. That's the piece that we have to get our heads around. Yeah.  What do you say about that? Look at the evidence or the lack thereof. Part of their rationale, these people say you are the only one that your parents would go to the links that they went to to cover up everything that happened. They're talking about fabricating this ransom note. They're talking about if she was strangled in causing the head injury. All of this cover up was all done to protect you because they didn't want to lose two children. That's their theory. I don't know to say that because I know that's not what happened. There's there's been a few people that said that's not even physically possible for a nine year old to do that. Like, you won't find any evidence because that's not what happens. I know I didn't do it. We good? Yeah. Let's clear this up once and for all. Did you do anything to harm your sister, John Bonnet? No. Did you murder your sister, John Bonnet? No. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so the first question there is is kind of, I don't know, whether there's such a thing, but for me, a reverse Barnum statement.  Well, of course you did. Of course you did. I mean, I've done things that have harmed my brothers and sisters.  They think it happened. So he's being put in a bit of a corner around this one. But still, it's a relatively strong denial there. But when you put it against the denial of did you did you murder your sister? I think I'm not sure whether that's the exact question or not. We then get alongside that the full shake of the head that goes alongside that. So I think what we're seeing there is the competition of one question, not you can't really answer the first question in any truthful way, I believe. The second one is way more forceful. So I think there's a there's, you know, that's interesting to look at. I think what people worry about is the look and the maybe little bite of the lip that we get, tiny and the tiny look afterwards after that. That's him just seeking approval from the person of status. He wants the person of status to go, OK, fine. I, you know, will take that from you. So it is a look for approval from status, not a look from a buy in my my story on both counts on that one. And again, you know, that's that's that's the problem that glance for approval at the end is going to easily look like something a furtive glance, which has something devious behind it. I do not believe it's furtive. I do not believe it's devious. It comes from a place of just a kid wanting to get it right. And who's on the on the brink of, you know, they've got nothing more to give. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so much like what you saw, there's a piece that you could say they're fading facts because he's quiet. No, I wish, Doc, I wish you would have said, why should I believe you didn't harm or kill your sister? That would give us more narrative. But I think he already by this point realizes this guy's not that guy. He doesn't chase you at it early when a person gives you information voluntarily and you ask enough questions along the way. You know where he's going to stop. You probably can't get any more out of him than that. These yes, no questions or interrogation speak leading questions eliminate his ability to go much further. I see distaste and I see apprehension when he bites his lip as he's trying to figure out how Dr. Phil perceives him. He purses his lips a little bit as he's thinking. And now I'll give you my guess.  He's got some either regression or rested development or something going on. I can't say he's on the spectrum or where or what. But there's certainly body language that makes me think of not adult behavior in many cases that he's been around a different world than I have. I don't know where he got to this point. But I don't see I don't see him trying to hide. Hey, I did it and I'm trying to hide. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. Now, I'll also say this. I say this a million times. Here's a million one. I can see certain things in body language that make me want to go ask the next question and get the next piece of information. I can't read his mind. He could be a genius who is hiding everything. But what I see based on body language are things that would make me ask him that next question and probably get him to just kind of start to come and bolt it a little bit. That's that's it. That's what I see. Chase, what do you see? Yeah, I think a lot of body language. Pundits, I think Mark calls them. Well, I think it's it's like the guy with the hammer thinks everything's a nail. So we tend to think that this is like the end all be all of body language, but not at all. This is a very small tool in a lot of our toolkit here. This questioning techniques are ten times more effective at detecting or getting to the truth than body language. Yep, it's my opinion. Yep. And if you're ever asking somebody if they did a crime, it's ten times better to say something softer than kill. So it's always better. So if you're asking an interrogation question or you're trying to see if someone did something, it's it's you're more likely to get a response. If you say hurt or injure or something like that, he did actually attack his sister with a golf club before this, as far as what I read online, we're not the forensics panel. It didn't happen in the video, so I'm not going to go into it. So we we've all hurt siblings, especially if you're an older brother. I am an older brother. And I've hurt my sister many times, pushed her down on all kinds of stuff. But he says no there and he's moving. But when he realizes this tough question is coming, his eyes immediately, this is the first thing you're going to see when the video starts back up again, go back to that seven eight o'clock exit search scan to look towards the exit because he knows this question is going to come. I'm sure he knows that he's been told we're going to ask you some tough questions and there's some severe discomfort shifting between his five and seven o'clock positions and then back to Dr. Phil here and his head shaking no and saying no don't occur simultaneously. So they're asynchronous, but that is only one or two indicators here of high stress. Remember, there's no body language for deception. There is no body language for deception. I don't care what you see on LinkedIn. It doesn't exist. I touch my nose. I've got a big nose.   I hit my back and just what I'm talking to move my hands by illustrators. Hit my nose too much. Sorry to step in, but I had to. I mean, there is one interesting thing that I found in here.  And then I had to download a program that's made for radiologists to perform measurements on things. His pupils dilate one millimeter when he's making the denial. And if you if you look real good and if our if our video is pretty high quality, when when Scott puts it up there, you'll be able to see it and you can actually see it just dragging your your mouse back and forth doesn't mean deception. Everything else points to baseline deviations of stress and not baseline deviations towards deception. And there's not a big enough cluster here for him to even reach the threshold of a score of eleven on the behavioral table of elements. Scott. All right, you guys have covered just about everything. But something I found interesting in this is he's got his hands together. They got him clasped together there between his legs and his sweaters pulled down to cover his wrists, as we all know, when someone feels good about being around someone, especially females, when they see men they're trying to impress or want to get along with better, you'll see their their wrists exposed a little bit more and they'll show their wrists more. In this case, they're covered up all the way down to where his thumb starts almost. So it may be that he's cold, it may be that he feels unsafe and maybe where he's just over everything so far and just trying to get as hard as he can be comfortable because these things take a long time when you're talking about those things, especially in a TV interview and going back to his one word answers. And like Greg was saying, he does say when he answers, it's that one word. It's fairly quiet. But when you ask someone like that, I'm going to go ahead and say, I think he's on the autistic spectrum, the autism spectrum. You ask him a yes or no question, they'll give you a yes or no answer. And that's what you're supposed to give those anyway. But that's what he does.  And that's what I think Dr. Phil knew that I think that's why he lobbed that at him like that. Sort of prepped him for it and the kids saw it coming, worked his way up to it and that that's fine when they do that. That's fine. But he hates that question. That's another reason that that gets quiet as well. So you guys have kept everything on that. Let's clear this up once and for all. Did you do anything to harm your sister, John Bonnet? No. Did you murder your sister, John Bonnet? No. OK, so why don't we throw it around the room and let's give our overview of what we think happened or what we saw today when we'll compare the truth to deception. And let's say what we happened in the case. Everybody's always got their opinions on it. Let's do that as well. Greg, you want to go first? Yeah, as far as what happened in the case, I have no clue. I'm going to tell you this. When we watched Patsy Ramsey, I initially, you know, from things I'd seen in the past thought, well, maybe she did something. And there's certainly places where she appears to have some kind of guilty knowledge is that because she's guilty of doing a crime or she feels guilty because something happened, she didn't repair when I don't know. I don't know what happened in this case. But based on what I see in this video and when I watched him from a distance without really paying attention, I thought that's a creepy guy. But when you watch it and you go see it, now I'm seeing congruent messaging, not strong messaging, because it's not a strong person who's saying, no, I didn't do this and and and. He's not trying to justify. I think he's been doing this for 20 plus years to people that know him or people he runs into guarantee you when somebody meets us at a party or we walk out to get hot chicken and they see us, they want to talk about the body language and behave and they would talk about about behavior panel. When you're Burke, guess what they want to talk about? The only thing they want to talk about. It's not about the news, not about the whether it's about, did you kill or do you know who killed? So all I see here is a guy that I think is in some kind of regression. I think he has been sheltered in a weird way and didn't develop the same way. You developed or I developed. So that's what I see. I see confusing for average people, certainly.  So I only see one area that I think he's not telling us everything, which is on the question of, did you ever hurt your sister? And I only say that just because, of course, he did. Like it's just natural that that happens. That's just the law of averages says you're going to hurt a sibling at some point. So so that's the only thing that I see is as being hidden or deceitful. The rest of it, I think he's being relatively kind of brutally honest and factual around it. And I think we see somebody who is trying to dredge up this nine year old history and it not quite making sense and time getting compressed and it being quite confusing and about now kind of the end of their lifespan of being able to tolerate and keep that smile going around all of this, you know, to be in this pageant for everybody. He's getting trotted out all the time going, OK, walk up and down the platform and prove yourself and show yourself to the world. And I think he's, you know, he's got tired of it about about now. Yeah, that's that's all I got for you on that. Chase, what do you think? I think we're seeing an outlier here. I don't think there's a whole lot of deception, but I do think there are some secrets, which are different things. And I think that there's stuff being withheld and there is a potential for some guilty knowledge here, not just not just the mom, but I think I think there is guilty knowledge in him. And that's all I'll say. Scott, here's what I think happened. Well, I think I think we're seeing a lot of I think he's being honest. And a lot of that I agree with you, Chase. I think there's some guilty knowledge there. But I think that comes with trying to keep the information about his family, his mom and dad in those situations. I think those kind of people are those kind of people. But I mean, they try to keep anything about their family to themselves. They try to keep it all quiet. So not that he's aware, I think I've got to keep it all quiet, but I think he's trying to keep some extra information that he may know to himself, whether that's that's somebody in the family had to do with it or not. I have no idea. But here's what I think happened. I don't think he did it. And I think somebody else did it. And I think the mom and dad thought he did it at the beginning. That's when they conjured all the stuff up with the the ransom note and all these things, right? Then they find out he didn't do it. They realize, oh, no, somebody did come in. They see all this other evidence that shows me that somebody else did it, but they're committed and it's too late to go back. And that's where the ego comes in because they're going to say, well, we did it because of this, that's because at that point, you're full of it. They're going to say, well, maybe you did do it. So I think that's what they did. They got into it, got to sticky for him when they realized what happened and they had to stick with that, with that story. I think that's what happened. So it may sound crazy, but it's only logical explanation explanation I can come up with, with all that that's given and all that. All right. So if you like what we're doing, please subscribe. And we'd really appreciate it and hit that like button. We're trying to get as many likes as we can as well. All right, we good. Well, actually, I want to say one more thing. I want to say one more thing about you were talking about like the sleeves like this. Have you noticed in every Hallmark film that you watch Earl, who's who's having problems, you know, getting the love of her life will always show her vulnerability by bringing the sleeves down and then and then having a warm drink. I've never seen a Hallmark movie. I'm looking at it. Don't lie to us, Greg. You know, I watch them every Saturday. I cuddle up with my wrist covered. I'll walk through the room and Amber has one of those on. And the next thing you know, I'm like, what does he do? How does he work? What is she doing? What's she doing? Next thing I know, I'm sitting down watching this Dang Hallmark movie. And they're fascinating. Once you get into it, it's great.   It's that kind of thing. But she'll be watching us before you know it. Try it next time. When I'm watching when you're Dana doesn't watch it either.  Yeah, I'm a killer. OK, yeah, we're on the same page. Yeah, OK, OK. Then there's the Good Witch. I think that's one of them. That's my favorite. The one I addicted to when I walk through, I have to stop and go. So what's going on with so-and-so? And they have this place called Gray House and they'll go to gray. And they call it Gray House. It's where they all live, you know? Or it's where that is where the witch lives. So but I can't once I get it, man, once it snags me, I mean, I shouldn't have said all that, should I have? Now we know that we know it's not good.