So, so far we have discussed about resonance, hyper conjugation, eye effect and their applications. So, what are the applications of all these electronic effects we have seen, but the question that you get in the exam it is not necessary or true or always necessary that you will get questions only of hyper conjugation or resonance or eye effect. So, most of the time you will get questions where all the effects are taking place and then we have to you know identify that which one is more stable less stable or more acidic less acidic. So, now onwards from this session we are going to discuss about the stability of few intermediates various intermediates and then acidity and basicity of the compounds according to all the electronic effects. So, where we have the molecules given in which in which we have more than one electronic effects is taking place and according to that we have to compare the stability and acidity basicity order. So, to discuss this first we are starting with carbocation like if you remember carbocation stability we have already discussed in you know eye effect resonance hyper conjugation. But now again we are going to discuss the stability of carbocation according to all effects taking place. So, stability of carbocation here you see I will give you the order first and in this order only you have to check. So, first of all you have to check dancing resonance is just a common name we use it is just a resonance and cyclopropane I will discuss this done resonance only. But resonance of cyclopropane we generally call it as dancing resonance. So, first of all dancing resonance will check then we will check if aromatic city is there or not right if aromatic city is there or not then we will see plus M effect then plus H will see plus I will see hybridization difference also we will check then we will check minus I minus H minus M and then anti aromatic city. So, this is the order you have to follow what is this means means if you have dancing resonance suppose if you have these three electronic effects are present in four given compounds then the molecule in which dancing resonance is there it is most stable then aromatic city then plus M and then plus H. So, we will you know we will check in this order only right the compound in which the carbocation or positive charge involve in anti aromatic city that is least stable and we also know that the you know the preferred order is what aromatic city will first of all will check aromatic city then we have if you have equal resonance then we have resonance then hyper conjugation and then I effect this is the order we have means what if you have aromatic city fine means I am talking about the electronic effects. So, in electronic effects the order is this only this you have to consider resonance is the most dominating then hyper conjugation and then I effect in resonance only we have this equal resonance and aromatic city both comes in this only right. So, in the electronic effects the order will follow is resonance hyper conjugation and I effect. So, in electronic effects will consider resonance first hyper conjugation and aromatic inductive effect and now we also know that carbocation is positively charged and all this positively charged is stabilized by electron releasing group which is nothing but the positive effect which can be plus M plus H or plus I right. So, all these three effects stabilizes the carbocation right and in this the order will be what mesomeric effect comes under resonance. So, plus M plus H and plus I that is what we have here plus M plus H and plus I then will check hybridization and since this will mesomeric effect will establish the carbocation most plus M effect and in the same way this carbocation is destabilized by electron withdrawing group which is nothing but minus M then minus H and then minus I and order of these three will be what again mesomeric maximum then hyper conjugation and then I effect here also the order will be what mesomeric maximum then hyper conjugation and then I effect. So, mesomeric effect is always dominating if it is plus 1 then it will establish most if it is minus M then it will destabilize most the carbocation and with this only you see here plus M plus H plus I minus M will destabilize more in which it means what if you have two molecule in which minus M and minus H is present then the minus 1 minus H 1 gives you the more stable carbocation. Because minus M will again destabilize more then minus H and that is why the order is this minus I minus H minus M and then when it is anti aromatic it is most unstable. So, this is it this is the order you have to follow first we will check dancing resonance aromaticity plus M plus H plus I hyper conjugation minus I minus H minus M anti aromaticity. Now, few examples we will see here dancing resonance like I said. So, suppose if I take this example now in this what happens you see if I take this one also I will come to this again this one will discuss C S 2 positive charge and it is 1 cyclo propyl group attachment this one I am taking here. So, what happens here in cyclo propyl group in cyclo propyl angle strain is very high angle strain is very high here right angle strain is very high and that is why it is highly unstable right to gain stability what happens this cyclo propyl group or this ring breaks and what happens this sigma electron this sigma electrons comes over here and we get what you see we get this positive charge double bond C H 2 right or this sigma electron will come here like this it will be both way you will get the same molecule here only right. So, in this happens what you see here it is very important because you see here is resonance is there correct, but the sigma electron is taking part in resonance sigma electron is taking part in resonance. So, this is a special type of resonance we call it as dancing resonance. So, it is a special type of resonance in which sigma electrons are taking part right. So, this is what you have to keep in mind this is overcome all other factors of stabilizing carbocation. So, number of cyclo propyl group if it is more mode will be the stability simple thing right. So, if it is a if this is a this is b and this is c this kind of resonance is thighs here in comparison to this and twice here in comparison to this more resonance mode will be the stability the order here it is what a is most stable then b and then c this kind of resonance we call it as dancing resonance ok you can copy it down this e r stands for equal resonance. If you compare the stability of these carbocation this carbocation ok this compound is having 2 pi electron aromatic this has 6 pi electron aromatic and this has 4 pi electron anti aromatic. So, the stability here if it is a b and c. So, obviously b being anti aromatic is least stable right. If you compare stability of these 2 here we have more resonating structure possible. However, both are aromatic, but since more conjugation is there. So, c is the most stable and a will have in between this is the order see aromaticity is more stable than anti aromatic we know this already ok. Some more examples I will write down you can try it on your own and then we will discuss this ok. You see this is minus m c n o c s 3 has plus m nature n r 2 n r 2 has plus m c l what it shows minus i e ok.   So, which shows minus m this if it is a b c and d then the order will be what a will have the minimum stability right plus m will have the maximum stability. First a and then d now b and c if you compare which one has more plus m effect right n r 2 the plus m effect of n r 2 is more because the nitrogen being less electronegative than oxygen. Then we have b and c is the most stable carbocation ok. Another example you see these molecules what effect we have here plus h here we have minus m a b c and d one is what minus m or minus i it shows minus i because at meta position minus m is not possible again it is at meta position this shows plus i right you can write plus h also, but again at meta position plus h not possible ok.  So, minus m minus i are the destabilizing factor and in these two also minus m is more destabilizing factor right.  Another one you see all this this carbocation is found by sp hybridized carbon and this carbocation is found by sp 2 hybridized carbon and this is found by sp 3 hybridized carbon see I am not writing it down the hybridizing state of this carbon I am writing down the carbocation which is found over here it is found from sp hybridized carbon this is found from sp 2 and this is found from sp 3 ok. So, we know the electro negativity of sp hybridized carbon is maximum then we have sp 2 and then we have sp 3 because of percentage as corrective right electro negativity order is this and we know negative charge on more electro negative atom is stable and if you have positive charge on less electro negative atom is a stable atom is stable. So, we have positive charge here. So, we will see the least electro negative atom positive charge on that will be stable ok. So, if it is this is sp 3 least electro negative right. So, this is most stable first rank this is the second most second rank third most first second and third. So, like this we can again compare the stability of these carbocation ok. Some more examples will see these 3 molecules here what we have resonance here also we have resonance here we have plus i also and plus h also, but plus h is dominating here right and we know resonance the dominating factor on hyper conjugation resonance is nothing, but this plus m you can write down resonance also right is dominating on hyper conjugation right and here we have more number of r s possible more r s large conjugation we have here. Hence the stability of a is maximum here then we have b and then we have c. One last example we will see c s 2 plus in these 3 you see a and c. Here we have resonance the first one this is aromatic and this is anti aromatic. So, this is stability order aromatic is most stable then we have resonance and then we have anti aromatic this is the order of stability of these carbocation ok. So, friends like this we can compare the stability of carbocation on the basis of on the basis of various electronic effects ok. So, you have to keep this in mind and then you can compare in the given molecule whether all where which of these electronic effects are taking place and according to the nature of that effects you can consider the stability of you can find out the stability of carbocation ok. So, next class we will see the stability of free radical also depending on this ok stability of free radical. In the case of free radical what happens the aromaticity will not discuss over there ok. So, like this only we will write down the order of various electronic effects for the stability of free radical and then we will see free examples ok. So, like till not we have almost finished the you know 80 percent portion of GOC ok. 80 percent portion we have we have almost finished the 80 percent portion of GOC ok. We are left with again free radical carbon ion we will discuss we will discuss acidic basic nature depending on all electronic effects and then in the last we have to discuss the tautomers ok tautomerism ok. So, we will see in the next class. Thank you.


There are currently three versions of Halloween 2. I say currently because who knows what the future will bring. Perhaps Power Man 5000 will try his hand at directing. Bring back Jimmy Lee Curtis as a ripe 80-year-old to finish the fight again. For now though, let's battle these ones. Including Jimmy Lee Curtis in an expanded role as Laurie Strode. Donald Pleasance as Dr. Sam Loomis and Charles Cypher as Sheriff Brackett continue their pursuit of Myers, now played by Dick Warlock. And might I just say, Dick Warlock is just a phenomenal name. That's awesome. There are plenty of new throwaway characters, mainly consisting of hospital workers, but nothing really noteworthy. Outside of Pamela Susan Shoe as Karen's remarkable breasts. Loomis is still solid this go-around, but his constant hyperbolic statements start to wear thin after a while. We get it. Myers is evil. Let's actually do something now. When it was announced that the 2018 Halloween was going to take place 40 years after the events of the first, I was a bit puzzled as to why. After rewatching the original sequel, I kind of get it. Laurie is honestly annoying in this follow-up flick. Spending most of her time wounded and helpless, slowly moving from room to room. She was far more interesting in H2O and now again in this recent flick. She's completely wrecked from the events of 78. I can understand that. Spending every day since preparing for Michael's inevitable return. Arm to the teeth, hunkered down in a killhouse.  Judy Greer plays her daughter, Karen, but has almost completely written her mother off due to the less than conventional way she raised her. She has a family of her own to look after as well, which includes a teen hottie named Allison who has little regard for expensive phones. There are an impressive amount of characters in the 2018 Halloween, most of which are completely likable and could have carried the story in a lot of different directions on their own. The podcast couple, babysitter Vicki and the lovable kid Julian, Dr. Sartain, aka New Loomis, and so on. Nick Castle reprises his original role as Michael Myers, also referred to as The Shape, along with James Jude Courtney. Much like the original though, Jamie Lee Curtis absolutely steals the new one from beginning to end. Meanwhile, in hell, we also have to talk about the 2009 Rob Zombie follow-up. If you thought Scout Taylor Compton was a tad annoying as Laurie the first time around, zombies doubled down on that feeling.  There's rarely a scene where she's not yelling, crying, or speaking entirely in curse words. The other versions don't bother going into the life of Michael Myers' parents, which is where Zombie really switches things up. I suppose he had to get his wife, Sherry Moon Zombie, back into the mix somehow, might as well hinge the entire story off of her.  Oh yes, remember how half the last film was focused on the young Mike Myers? We get to see him again, but this time played by an entirely different actor. Mr. Zombie said Dagg went through major growth spurts between films, so bringing him back wouldn't translate well to the audience, because he was unrecognizable from the previous. So instead they casted someone new who's unrecognizable from the previous. Malcolm McDowell for some reason came back as Loomis. He must owe Rob Zombie money or something. My favorite actor to show up though has to be Academy Award winner Octavia Spencer as Doctor who gets stabbed multiple times within two minutes of showing up. Fantastic. Hey, humble beginnings. Weird Al is in this too? Genuinely the only good thing in this picture.  He took the expectations people had and he subverted them. I bet you weren't expecting Halloween 2 to have an almost 30 minute dream sequence to start things out. Well it does. At least most of that was a dream I think. And in this dream we get sort of a hospital recreation from the original second film Slashing. Complete with characters we'll never see again outside of this dream. After the hospital hillbilly deluxe is over, we find out Lori isn't in a good place. Literally her room is a pigsty. It's a disaster. It's the equivalent of the Suicide Squad's Joker.   Meanwhile, Myers is traversing the countryside trying to find himself. We all are.  It was a nice Friday afternoon. The 1981 Halloween is a tad less graphic and awful. This one fires up right where the last one left off. Actually, a couple minutes prior, we get to relive those final magical moments and see that Myers got away. Bottom line, it's still Halloween.  Lori has been rushed to the hospital to recover from her attacker. This doesn't go well. The hospital she's brought to, which consists of like six employees, quickly loses power because of a loose wire. And that loose wire is Michael Myers. That wasn't that clever. It's kind of dumb. While things take shape at the hospital, Loomis is still on the lookout for the killer. His adventure takes the audience on one of the funniest moments in Halloween history. One of the officers, I'll refer to him as Private Dipshit, is speeding down the quaint suburban road when he plows into a teenager wearing a mask with his vehicle, smashing him into the side of a van.  They later check the dental records because that's all that's left of his face before they realize this boy is not the right age to be our Michael. There's no repercussion for his actions, not even a slap on the wrist.  Billy learned that faithful knight, what it feels like to be a black man. His name wasn't Billy. In death, he's Robert Paulson. Halloween 2018, just called Halloween, even though it's Halloween 2 again, but not called Halloween 2, just Halloween, not Hall 2-ween or Halloween H-4-0. It's Halloween. In this version, Meyers was picked up by the cops shortly after fleeing the yard. Maybe Private Dipshit tagged the right dude with his car this time. He hasn't said a word in 40 years, but he's still got that thick frame and it's now complimented by a nice manly beard, nicely shaved, nicely primmed and proper, unlike Rob Zombie's hobo Meyers. That's just all sorts of nasty. Obviously it doesn't take long for our silent but deadly antagonist to escape. It's debatable, I guess, how the bus crash happened, but I'd like to think that that crazy new Loomis did it. While Meyers is getting his kill on, Laurie is trying to reconnect with her family. The only way she knows how, through paranoia. When Laurie and Michael finally do come into contact again, it's a pretty powerful moment and the slower first act really build momentum into a second and third. Since Rob Zombie is dead set on ruining any good faith he had with one fan, he finally kills Michael off in this one. Not, of course, before letting him speak first.  He grunts out, die. Laurie also dies in a slow motion to freeze frame as Love Hurts plays loudly on top of it all. I'm not joking. This movie is a car wreck. It's the private dipshit of cinema. Oh, I almost forgot. In both previous versions, we learned that to Laurie is the estranged sister of Michael. It's a plot point that's there, but it never really amounts to anything tangible. Probably why 2018 went ahead and got rid of that idea as well, even through a little shade added to passing. Some may be wondering if Michael died at the end of the 2018 film. It's a pretty easy answer. If a film makes enough money for a studio, nothing is ever truly dead. We'll see him again. 81 spends the majority of its time at a really understaffed hospital, a setting that on paper should have been more interesting than it ended up. Director Rick Rosenthal attempts to mimic the John Carpenter feel complete with the pumpkin opener. I will say it's pretty badass watching that thing split open to reveal a skull. The drawn out shot and dimly lit wards just don't look near as interesting. The only moment of pure joy for me, besides that hit and fun scene, was the orderly slipping on blood and cracking his skull. He shows up later in the car acting like things are all good, but the damage is done. He's completely destroyed. Nurse double D getting her face melted off was pretty solid as well. Zombies film provides plenty of gortastic moments for those that enjoy the finer things in life. The headstomp in the parking lot is a thing of beauty, but 2018 ups the ante and does a single headstop crushing that bitch wide open in one. It's clear that director David Gordon Green wanted to make a sequel worthy of the name finally. That pumpkin reversal to start things up lets the audience know that he's bringing sexy back. The tracking shots, the play on the shadows and lighting, the situation reversals and the general feel are familiar but updated. The podcast crew is a clever introduction to this new Halloween. They may be a new generation, but they still die the same way. John Carpenter once again composes the score for 81's flick and it's once more stellar. There's a sense of uneasiness whenever that theme song fires up. This is carried over and expanded upon in 2018. It's even stronger than ever with those classic synths mixed in with piano and electronic percussion. I know things about music after I look them up online. I'm smart. 2009 sticks with the trash rock along with three borderline mini music videos by Captain Clegg and The Night Creatures. I looked that up too. I have no idea if that's even the band's name. I could have completely botched that but I often make mistakes on this channel because I am a one-man operation. Feel free to call me out when I'm wrong and discredit the entire video and all the work and hours I put into it because of the simple mistake. Let's conclude. I was never a big fan of the 81 sequel. It was alright but it felt like less of the same thing to me.  I was still skeptical on 2018's Halloween since we've had such an overwhelming amount of sequels, prequels, side pools, remakes, remixes, reboots and whatnot. I do really think they nailed this though. Have a different opinion? That's perfectly fine. After all, this is more than just reviews. This is Movie Feuds. Oh, and if you are trick-or-treating this year, please be safe out there and use the sidewalk. A lot of crazy drivers. Thanks for watching The Feud. 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Santa knows where to find all the best and hottest smartphones just in time to make this Christmas better and bigger than ever. Better service, bigger savings, that's today's Appalachian Wireless! The Pike County Road Department now has an accredited Roads Scholar and Road Master on its team. District 6 Road Foreman Danny Branham recently completed the University of Kentucky's Roads Scholar and Master program. The program is part of UK's College of Engineering Kentucky Transportation Center and consists of 15 classes for each student. It covers the construction of concrete, small bridge repair, paving, black topping, installing drains, construction on brakes, slides and installing drains and then a lot of it had to do with dealing with people. Branham is the first ever Pike County Road Foreman to ever complete the course. It's a five-year period you got to get all of them in. I did it in a year. At the end of it then you got a graduation in Lexington where they present you with a plaque. Branham is very happy about his accomplishment and says it will come in handy now that we are getting ready to enter the winter weather season. It was a lot of work but I'm kind of proud of it. It was a lot of running but I learned a lot, a lot that I didn't know, that I feel that will help me in the future. Branham will have to renew some classes every few years but for now he is ready to use his knowledge to better the community. In Pike County, Shelby Porter, EKB News.


telecom, and data center professionals. I'm Buffy Hierarchetus, and on behalf of JSA, thank you for tuning in for a special Earth Day edition of JSO Virtual Round Tables, featuring today's topic, Renewable and Clean Energy Solutions to Cut Carbon in the Data Center. Today is also very exciting and notable here at JSA as this morning we officially announced the second book installment of our Amazon best-selling greener data book series that will make its fabulous debut next year on Earth Day 2024. And in addition, we have also launched our official call for authors. So head on over to greenerdata.net for more info. And while you're there, be sure to check out chapter one with top industry thought leaders, including Susanna Kass with Infoprime, Dean Nelson with iMasons, Vicky Warden, CEO of Green Building Initiative, Sean Novak, CSL of N-Zero, and Patricia Stamos of Equinex. And a special thank you to Mary Allen of Insight as a Service. Well, now that I've made that incredible announcement on behalf of JSA, let's add some housekeeping before we begin. Our first 100 registrations today have now received lunch delivered to their door or a gift card. So please enjoy on behalf of the JSA family. And if you weren't one of our first, hopefully next time. We do wanna hear from you and make this round table experience as interactive as possible. So please go ahead and add any questions you might have into the chat and our panelists will get to those if they have time or simply just stick around once our round table is over today. And you can join our virtual networking tables immediately following for a unique opportunity to talk face to face with the speakers and other attendees. Just simply join a lounge table and the networking will begin. All right, so let's get this Earth Day virtual round table show started. We're going to begin by going around the virtual round table for some introductions. We have Jeff Barber. He is the VP of Global Data Centers for Bloom Energy. Scott Hannah, the Chief Revenue Officer at Cumulus Data. Anad Rameesh, SVP of Advanced Tech at Edge Connects. The San Nasir Data Center Advanced Development Team from Microsoft and Sindhu Sharma, Head of Sustainability, Nextra at Airtel. Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us today. We'll circle back around and let you guys have the opportunity to introduce yourself a little bit further and tell us what you're doing in terms of renewable and clean energy. Jeff, we'll start with you. Great, thank you, Buffy, appreciate it. As Buffy said, I'm Jeff Barber. I'm the VP of Global Data Center Sales for Bloom Energy based out of California. But today I'm sitting in beautiful Dublin, Ireland, a place where they definitely have some power constraints, much worse than we see elsewhere. So what is Bloom Energy doing? Bloom Energy is green energy. So as a company, we definitely walk the walk and talk the talk. Most of us don't even carry business cards because we like to cut the paper. So Bloom provides much greener energy than most of the utilities on the planet through the use of solid oxide fuel cells. They are essentially hydrogen fuel cells today. However, we're able to extract the hydrogen from natural gas or bio gas or a blend of any of those gases and use them to create electrons for on-site power generation. So the green energy initiatives in the data center are right up our alley. So yeah, I'm very excited to be here. Thanks again, Buffy. And thank you, Jeff. Scott. Hey, everybody. Scott Hannah, I'm the Chief Revenue Officer for Cumulus Data, a wholly owned subsidiary of Talon Energy. We are building a data center campus directly connected to our nuclear power plant in Northeast Pennsylvania, where we'll have 475 megawatts of carbon-free power. The first building is constructed at 300,000 square feet. We intend it very attractive, probably to hyperscale clients. But we're passionate about the ESG goals and the use of carbon-free power. So I think we're kind of a first mover. And this is directly connected to two reactors. So it's behind the grid. So it's not going out onto the typical energy grid that most data centers pull from. So we, yeah, we're happy to be here and thanks for having us. And we are so happy to have you as well. And let's move on to Anad. Thanks for the intro, Buffy. So I'm Anad Ramesh, as Buffy mentioned, and I look at advanced technologies for EdgeConnect. So EdgeConnect is a hyperscale data center provider. So we've sort of had a, I would say, long and fruitful journey with sustainability in general. So we've been doing things like sort of zero in order emissions using renewable energy credits, as well as the sort of latest focus for us is 24-7 carbon-free energy. So we have a pilot that we wrote about at our Houston data center. And that's a direction that we're pretty excited about given many of our large customers but also sort of embracing that trend. So that's a little bit about me and the company. Thank you. San. Thank you, Buffy, for the introduction. My name is Esam Nasser. I am leading energy and energy storage activities in research and development team under CTO office at the Microsoft. And our team is focusing on advanced technologies, including energy storage inside and outside of a data center. And we are particularly looking at advances and innovation technologies in energy space. And we're happy to hear. Thank you. And Sindhu. Thank you, Buffy, for the introduction. Hi, everyone. This is Sindhu Sharma, head in sustainability and you should use for Nashua by Airtel. Nashua is the data center arm for Bahati Airtel Group. We have India's largest network of data centers having more than 120 edge data centers with 10 plus core data centers and few hyperstellars. We are in this journey of sustainability in part few years back. We have aggressive natural target as well as we are predominantly and focussely working on investment in energy projects for our hyperstellars. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. So happy to have you guys here today. And we also just had this recent International Energy Agency report stating that approximately 2.5% of global energy is consumed by data centers and data networks. And this number is expected to quickly rise, which does bring us here together today to talk about this critical topic on Earth Day. We'll close to Earth Day. And with global energy used by data centers alone to increase 8% to 10% by 2030, this conversation is more critical than ever. So let's start with a little bit about the many facets of energy maturity within the data center and what factors do we need to consider to get to a clear pathway to energy maturity? Why don't we start with you, Jeff? I think you're on mute. Yes. First question. I'm not following directions already. Yes. Very, very typical. What can we do to define a pathway to energy maturity? Personally, I do think we're in the infancy stages, like you spoke about earlier, in the infancy stages of understanding this question. I think first and foremost, though, if I think about word maturity, it typically means that we're willing to admit we have a problem and we're willing to admit that we can't go from zero to 100 miles an hour instantly. If the goal is stated as being too large, it tends to be dilutive to the activity, to the actions. So I think first and foremost, we should realize that we should take a pragmatic approach, take very real steps that are, again, realistic for today's market. So for instance, at Bloom, we would love it if there was a robust green hydrogen network for us to use as we could use that today, but it's not there. So we work with natural gas as an example. It's much cleaner than other forms of energy generation, but is it absolutely zero? No, but it's 30% better. So I think maturity is taking a pragmatic approach and truly understanding that the underpinnings need to be there before we can solve the problem or get to truly zero. Thank you for that. You weigh in on that, Scott, as well. Yeah, I agree with Jeff. We're in the kind of the infancy stage. I mean, we're seeing now, and to your point, Buffy, the 2.5% today, but growing to 8% to 10% for data centers, that's a lot of power. And if you think about right now, we used to look at data centers on where the connectivity was, and that's still important, but now they're looking to where the power is. And so it's becoming a huge issue for us in this perfect for Earth Day. It's becoming a huge issue for us. And I think data centers are looking to find big, huge swaths of power. And we need to think about a couple of things. Number thing, the use of power. How are we using it? How efficient are we? Can we use it differently? And that's important. We need to get power companies on board this whole data center concept. And I also think we need to utilize the nuclear power plants that we have in the United States today. There's 99 of them, and we're not using them. They're providing power to the grid, but at carbon free power and it's a base load power, there could be a lot done in that realm as well. But I mean, think about long term. Right now we're thinking about where can I get power? And we have to have a well thought out strategy of using renewables, using nuclear, using what Jeff's doing, what Jeff's doing, everyone on this call is doing to achieve that. And again, I think we're at the end of the stage right now. It's definitely a mix of energy and a combination. And we chatted a little bit about that before we jumped on the call. I'd love to hear from EdgeKinex and Anat. Sorry. So yeah, I think all valid points are made in our minds as providers of capacity to some of the biggest names in the industry. I would say that number one, access to power and number two, reliability of said power and number three, quantity of power is probably first and foremost. So customer needs are customer needs. And that is likely to evolve with time to kind of align with better supply. So once you take these constraints, then you have to figure out a path towards decarbonization. So as Jeff mentioned, you can't go from 0 to 100 in one step. And I think that's sort of really important to call out. So renewables energy credits, for example, are an imperfect but still an effective tool for managing your emissions. But ultimately the pathway has to be towards negating carbon emissions on, shall we say, an hourly or 15 minute interval level while driving additionality on the grid. So I think we are very, very aware of the constraints that we have to operate under. And how do you sort of solve this problem given these constraints is basically what we spend a lot of time thinking about right now. Thank you. Over at Microsoft, Hasan. Yeah, thank you. I think I'm 100% agree with our friends here. And backing to the idea of, from what we are right now and the end goal is kind of a pathway that we have to set with the collaboration with the partners. And especially data center industry can be led in that journey through connecting to the different partners including the utilities, energy providers and like the whole ecosystem. And at the end of the day, that is not particular solution or not particular like a technology that can solve the overall journey. And that is going to be a portfolio and each technology can solve one piece of the whole puzzle. And that's why we need to have a group of the collaboration between the whole industry to see what part of the puzzle can be solved by the certain technologies and how we can get to the goal of the net zero or having including the ecosystem solution for energy maturity. Definitely collaboration holds the key. Sindhu, I mean, at Nextra by Airtel, I mean, collaboration is right here, right? We have Bloom, Nextra, we're collaborating their partners. Why don't you give us a little insight there? Sure. So like Jeffrey and Alan, you know, he's playing you formulate in a right decarbonization plan for your overall journey is the process.  Like we have collaborated and introduced Bloom into our system. We need to think of hydrogen to also work on the new technologies and not just supply side intervention. We need to also work on the demand side where we need to work aggressively to cut down your PUE and to reduce down your PUE. So it's a perfect blend of energy mix along with, you know, right interventions, both side demand side and supply side will give you the maturity which we are looking for in the next few years. Thank you so much gentlemen for these insights. And moving on, you know, the goal obviously is to achieve these environmental targets quickly. What is the path of least resistance and what are some of the steps in the process that are most challenging? What are some of these obstacles? You know, when we talk about this question, we're thinking in terms of what are some of the quickest ways data centers can get wins when it comes to hitting these targets? Jeff? That's an easy one. What are the quickest ways? Well, when I speak to the developers, data center owners and operators, they're not always aware of what technologies are available. So I think the first step is understand what options are out there. I also think that we need to start giving feedback to the occupants of these data centers. So, you know, much of the market are developers and tenants versus managed service providers. They're not all AWS or Google. So I think giving feedback, kind of like biofeedback, giving feedback to the tenants that, you know, deploying 50% more power than you're most likely ever going to use is going to cost X. Or here's the carbon footprint of that lease term as an example, maybe providing options. I understand that to provide those options there could be some heavy lifting. It's, you know, the data center industry is not exactly the fastest moving from a innovation perspective. One of our original folks and board members, Peter Gross once said, the data center industry loves innovation as long as it's 10 years old. Okay, so we first need to look at that and we need to understand that there are steps that we can take today. There are products such as ours and others that are somewhat future proof, in other words, ready for things such as hydrogen that can help mitigate the coming onslaught, in my opinion, of high performance compute, GPU workloads, AIML. We know that this is beginning now, the 2.6%, I think you said, that's consumed today. I think that could almost be an exponential curve once enterprises and data centers begin to deploy high performance GPUs and working on this within the enterprise. Many times we forget that about 70%, 75% of enterprise data is still on a dedicated floor at the enterprise. It's not just in the cloud as an example. So, yeah, I think understanding the market, articulating to the tenants, to the customers, what their impact is, I think could help a lot in the short term. For sure. Scott, you want to add to that? Yeah, I agree with Jeff. That a definite need is to have that communication and be willing to do new things, maybe run things hotter, run things less redundant, those types of things. I mentioned before, I think, and I don't want to be a broken record here, but I think nuclear power needs to be brought into the fray a little bit more. There's a lot of technologies out there, but obviously nuclear is 100% carbon free, and it's a baseload power, so I think that needs to be leveraged in a bigger way. We need to continue to develop wind and solar, which I know we're doing. Our company, we're developing 2.4 gigawatts of it on land that we have, so that needs, and then storage technologies in order to be able to increase the storage capacities of wind and solar, so you can actually use that power for data centers. So those are some things, and I know we'll probably get into the more challenging things on the next question, but those are some easy things. And then lastly, there's probably a little bit more challenging than we think, but it is working with the power companies, the utilities to partner with data centers because they use so much power. So it's probably a little more difficult given the complexities of utility companies and data center companies, but that's something we need to start doing as well. Yes, and how about over at EdgeConnect and not hear from you guys? Yeah, I'll sort of split my answer into two components, right? So there's supply side and there's demand side, like what can we do on the supply side and what can we do on the demand side? And I'll start with the demand side first. Like clearly using less power is kind of an obvious one. So efficiency is super important, things like TV, et cetera, or very good material in this journey that we're on. So the less of power we as an industry use the simpler the path to eventually colonization. I think the second one is around relieving congestion and constraints around lots of bridge around the world. I think pretty much everyone in the audience is very familiar with some of the issues that we're seeing in the major markets. And a lot of this has to do with reserve capacity versus what is actually used. So that's another productive conversation we can have with utilities before, you know, things start getting mandated on the industry itself. So those are on the sort of demand side and the supply side, I think, going back to what I said earlier, the first and easiest step to take is to sort of go the PPA row and that signals an additional interest in the sense that if you're signing a PPA for XMAP awards and that sends a signal to a developer to actually add capacity on the grid and so on. Like that's going to get us to a certain point and obviously the last X%, whatever that is depending on the part of the world that you're in is going to be hard. So I'm sure we're going to talk about that in a little bit. Thank you. Issan? Yeah, sure. I believe the topic was covered well on this question, but I believe one of the key aspects back to the another point is basically from a demand side for sure, focusing on efficiency is super important. Also, there is another key important on flexible IT load and what we can do above efficiency, what we can get it done to the IT load to be flexible and also to be kind of a dynamic to what's happening on the other side of the fence of a data center and that kind of ideas needs to have an innovation from a data center operator and owner and a hyper-scaler to see what it can get it done on a demand side. For the sourcing part, I think the easiest path that most of the company as a first step that they can go and just take is just buying the clean energy through the PPA. But one step further is how they can match that renewable energy with the load. Basically, one of the commitments that we are starting to look at is basically to source all the load, all the electron that we're going to use by the clean energy all the time. So once we are talking about all the time, we add additional complexity here because that is not something that is easily given just by energy because the demand and source should be matched all the time. That is how the grid is going to work and if you wanted to participate to help the whole ecosystem, this step is going to add additional complexity to the whole solution. And one of the reports that I found is that if we are matching the load from 0 to the 70... to the 70-80%, it can be done only through the PPA of the renewable energy procurement. But after that, we need to have some sort of energy storage and some sort of additional technology or the base power that we need from the nuclear power in order to match that load and generation, which again is kind of a portfolio of different type of technologies in this case. Senior? So I believe all the panelists have struggled rightly, but I just wanted to add in the supply side, the need of an R is to have right collaborations and partnerships and that too long time. If you see the data center business, we have a gradual path or gradual load increase if we will go and commission a new data center. The right sort of collaboration will help you to get renewable energy from day one. So that sort of partnership is required. Second, under demand side, there are good companies working on the pooling technologies. So a genuine force is required from the customers, developers like us, for adopting the right pooling technologies. We have good technologies that we have developed over the last many years. But if we keep on working on the conventional way of pooling the data centers, then we shall not be able to reach PUE which we are targeting. So these are the two major things I believe is required if you really want to achieve what we are targeting from here. And anyways, targeted is to get, you know, grab the low hand in food which is signing virtual PPA options as well as go on top of willing to do this. Thank you. So if we talk a little bit about success, what does that look like, Jeff? I'm going to go on record as stating I don't like this alphabetical listing taking every question first.  No, no, it's a great question. Obviously, it's a very subjective question as well. Personally, if we're talking about a march towards, you know, much greener usage or zero carbon usage, I think success must be measured incrementally.  We need to first come up with metrics that are relevant for where we are. So that means that we admit where we are and we document metrics because if you don't measure something, it's very difficult or impossible to manage it and to make incremental progress. So success to me means that we are constantly moving up and to the right as far as reducing carbon, not going from, you know, one giant leap because that breaks the system many times. Many times break the economy and the economics and when the economics don't work out, it just doesn't work. So yes, success to me is developing a set of reasonable metrics that takes into account reasonable resources that are behind us today. In other words, if the infrastructure is just not there, infrastructure that took generations to build in many cases if we're talking about the grid. If the alternative is simply not there, you can't expect to achieve zero carbon on day one. We need to begin marching towards it, however, taking incremental steps. Yes, we'll switch it up. The order a little bit. That's good. So like Jeff said, you know, everyone is in the race to reach natural as soon as possible. But if we will do that and compromising the business needs, that is not really the success. So we need to think of, you know, the right sort of interventions and if you are achieving the targets which you are adopting on time with, without compromising the needs of the business as well as without compromising the collaborations, partnership and, you know, and a separate route for the new technologies than I believe that will be the success if you will achieve it and you will bring all these things on a table at the right time. Thank you. Scott? Yeah, I do agree there. I think everything we're doing is really, really good. But we do have to measure it. And if we can get 1% better every, I had a whole coach tell me, get 1% better every day, you know, before you know it, you're going to get really, really good. And if we can do that, I think we do need to be careful, as Sindhu has said, not to compromise, but we can't put unrealistic goals out there. You know, a lot of folks are stating these goals and some of them I believe are unrealistic. But we can't go backwards either.  Coal. So that's going, to me, it's going backwards. So I, you know, we got to continue to promote these clean energy solutions and continue to get better. And I think if we just focus on getting, you know, like 1% better every day, then we'll have success. Definitely. Nod? Yeah, I mean, the measurement part is sort of pretty self-evident, right? But I would sort of again urge folks to think along three lines based on scope one, scope two, and scope three emissions. We spend most of our time talking about scope two emissions today. This is essentially power that, you know, data centers use. But obviously there's a lot of carbon concrete as well as steel manufacture. So as an industry, I think it's pretty critically important to send out signals to industry in terms of, you know, what we plan to do as far as scope one emissions that drives activity in the marketplace, which hopefully sort of has this nice final effect of bringing more innovation to the table. That's one. The second is that, I mean, like the talk of incrementalism, I think is fair. But I also want to sort of point out that we are at 412 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere today. Like that's the latest measurement. In the start of the industrial age, we were at 280. So yes, doing things better is obviously beneficial, but we do actually have to have a plan for fixing the food on food damage that's already been done. That could be through investments in technology or just an acknowledgement that yes, like we plan to get to net zero at some point of time in the future. But we actually need to zero out emissions starting a certain day. And there has to be a plan for that. And that again sends signals into the marketplace in terms of what is important. Because freezing CO2 levels that we are today is actually not enough. We have to bend that curve downward as well. So I think it's important to kind of acknowledge all of these and essentially have targets or metrics that help us get there. It seems like we had some reactions there to some of your comments. So feel free to love like in your little emoji area there and feel free to send some questions over in the chat. The panelists will be more than happy to answer. Yeah, sure. I do agree. This success, I believe that's a journey. That's a journey that we stop like the whole industry started from a couple of years back. And they acknowledge that is a challenge that we need to tackle as a whole industry. And I agree. That's the kind of incremental success through the milestone that we have because there is no endpoint that they said, okay, once we got that certain date, we're going to solve all the issue. No, that's not how it's going to work. But the fact is that with the increase of the energy consumption and the expansion of the AI ML and the cloud industry, once we had the like the smallest scale at this industry, especially in a data center. And once we are looking at in the next five to 10 years, we do see there would be a huge effort we need to make in order to still the same status that we are doing today. So we need to have a significant work to make sure that we can tackle the challenges that we have. Back to the end point, that's the scope one and two and three. The scope one, I believe some people are saying that's easy, but the thing is that that is something that we need to tackle at least from a first part of the data center, especially the diesel generator, how we can use the alternative, for example, using the hydrogen, using energy storage, that kind of thing. And at the end, I believe that the success is a whole journey and like getting and achieving the milestone at each step is a success for the whole industry. And while we have you, we'll dive into our last questions. We're about to wrap up here. We have a few minutes left, but looking into your crystal ball, what do you see happening in the next three to four years, let's say, as some predictions to create smarter, more flexible energy systems moving from that zero mission? Yeah, I believe that is from innovation side. I think that's the key important factor that in the next few years we need to invest and we need to find the to invest on a technology that can change or change from the technical perspective and also from the business perspective. And also the additional factor that is going to be happened with the increased amount of the IoT smart devices that we have and also more flexible and a smart controller that we're going to have, we're going to have the system more smarter and also especially the collaboration with the grid which is more grid friendly and working as the ecosystem which the data center is not going to the burden to the utility and to the energy industry that is going to a part of the whole solution. And I believe in the next few years, we do see the data center industry, they're going to have more contribution to the overall energy industry rather than only the burden to the industry and we hope that we're going to be a lead in that sector. Thank you. We have time for probably one more crystal ball prediction here. How about we turn that over to Edge Connects and Ad? Sure, I think the demand side flexibility is something that both Sindhu and Assam brought up and I think that's going to be really important. So we've always treated IoT loader as the invariant and I think we're reaching the situation where we're acknowledging that it's not. There's work that Microsoft has published, Google has published work about moving load according to carbon intensity of grids, etc. So I think approaches like these are going to become more commonplace. So that's one. And I think the second point in general I would like to make is that I think as an industry we've gotten pretty used to showing up and saying we must have XMAC awards and we kind of get that and we put it in the data center and so on and so forth. I think it's going to, the conversation is going to start getting flipped like how do we fit into communities? How do we fit into electricity grids? And I think as an industry we kind of have to go apart. 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