, you know answer the main question you were having or is that something that you feel you would need more time to think about to weigh in on My concern about massing might not be, um abetted by that issue I might still have concerns about it when you come back I'm just being candid But there have been a variety of other issues that have been raised including issues that um, Ms. Johnson has raised about uh site lighting that I think could be addressed and even if my vote can't be gained um I think there's potential, uh Other votes that could be Um, that being said, I've you know, we have five commissioners here. We have a quorum um There may be sufficient support for the proposals that currently exists and if if The applicant wants to move forward with a vote. I don't want to hold that up if the applicant prefers um To revisit some of the issues we've addressed um, we can um Move to continue and hold this open for um a month Carl Rosemarke planning department We could also do a straw poll so that the applicant knows where each commissioner stands I would be happy to conduct a straw poll. Um And I'll start with uh commissioner johnson I'm not inclined to vote in favor of the application Vice chair ghoulsby I I would like to see some Some more information to bring me some comfort to the elevations of Images from the district. Um I am interested in and now the opportunity to be able to shift this building plans out So in in my heart, I would say same day right now commissioner de berry Um I can support this but I also can support, you know, if they're amenable to a Um Coming back with a few tweaks if that would make the rest of our Our group feel a little better. Um, and I I think there are some compelling reasons to To do that and I I think all of us need to drive around that neighborhood particularly up and down vickers and look at other The 1200 block in particular There's several I think houses down there that are share some of the design Elements of this building And commissioner hamilton Um, this is commissioner hamilton. Yes, um, I think As proposed today, I would need um To look at the elevations again, and you know, maybe it is a matter of going And looking at vickers again myself, you know, obviously, I know it's a great diverse district. Um, And then also just having Those commitments related to the curbing at the back of sidewalk being Maintained and replaced and um Retained or you know, however it needs to happen based on their conversations with engineering or Elec works or whoever and The city has been doing but making sure that that that wall doesn't go away and then also The trees being replaced for the ones in the rear. I would need to you know, have some clarity on the Cc's of trees And then yeah, I mean, I don't I don't have the same concerns with it being closer to the street I'm you know, the further back it could be the better in my opinion, but um minor much more related Rhythm of Really that north elevation more than anything else Thank you all very much. Um For that input I think I know where this is headed at least for today, but let me ask karla before we move forward Karla, how soon would you need to? receive supplemental materials for us to be able to put this on for hearing again in october So we made the policy that we would need to continue two months rather than one I actually submitted all my staff reports last week for october. So minimum of two Applicant might want to consider three to really comb through But it's it's up to them how long they need. Um, so my for my turnaround, um, I would need for the November meeting I would need materials At least four weeks before so, um by the end of september So I will reopen the public hearing so that I can ask the applicant Would you prefer to have a continuance through or to the november meeting or to the december meeting based on that timeline? Um, mr. Chairman, my preference is is certainly november. Uh, I have not had a chance to coordinate with uh with my team with paul and rob and danny If if we say november if we ask for a continuance now to november And then within a short period of time need to ask for december instead. Is is there a process to do so? Carly you able to do that as a matter of staff or is that something to have to be loaded on again? Might be a question for christa as well. Um, christa, what would you say about that? Doesn't seem like it should be an issue, but Sorry, I've been on a call. Um, can you repeat the question? Oh, the question was um, if if we continue this case to november And in the applicant decides they need a little more time. Is there any problem continue? I think what we do is we just put it on the docket for november And then we would just say the state that the applicant needed to continue again Um to december they needed more time Yeah, I think I think that's fine. The commission could vote on it again. Um, And you know the only concern ever is sort of the the shot clock in terms of um timing but since there's Kind of revisions coming more information needed I'm not sure that there's an issue here, but that would certainly be something that we need to consider Well, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion here shortly It's going to be a very brief motion to continue And just to make sure that we do You know the applicant are solid and Making sure they understand what it is that We're concerned about It's primarily from what I have been hearing and taking notes on rhythm massing slash parking um curbing in the back sidewalk tree replacement clarity um Am I missing anything commissioners just so we make sure that the applicant knows what it is that we're hoping that they'll address Uh chair per charge. Did you mention site lighting in the district? Thank you very much site lighting. Absolutely I think that's the list And with that I'll go ahead and make a motion to continue case coa 2 1 0 0 0 5 3 uh 6 25 moorhead avenue 1005 victor's avenue new construction and site work to the november 2021 Meeting of this commission second and equals we Okay to the shard Yes Commissioner de berry yes Vice chair bullsby yes Commissioner hamilton Commissioner johnson yes Commissioner wayers has left haven't she okay motion passes five zero I want to thank everybody for your patience. Um, this was a delirious process lots of questions were asked Y'all have been very candid in providing responses We look forward to the additional information you'll provide and We look forward to seeing you again here in the next couple months Thank you all Chair brishard, could we take a five minute recess? Yes. Uh, let's uh reconvene If we can hear no later than 12 25. I realize we're running late, but I think we knew that coming into today See y'all shortly Chair as everyone gathers this is chris payerson from planning. Um, all the registered Individuals for these last two cases are in attendance What's the roster? um president montague mark mccore and david parker Thank you If commissioners can come uh back online or let me know that you're here Here comes commissioner de berry vice chair bullsby's back commissioner johnson's back Commissioner hamilton is back. All right. Um and carla's back So, uh, we'll now hear case coa zero zero zero six zero 23 26 englewood avenue demolition of primary structure Before we hear from staff. Is there any one of our commissioners who may have a conflict of interest in hearing this case? If not, then let us proceed with the swearing in of anyone who plans to speak for or against this case clerk alia Do you swear or affirm that testimony you're about to give in the public care and proceeding for today's case? Is the truth by your own knowledge or by information and belief? Let's start with mr. McClure Mr. McClure, I believe you're on mute Well, then then so is my husband um, hello Uh, mark and I have both signed papers Uh, I see there's a you're going on mute again Got it. Thank you. I'm sorry. Yeah Hello I'm sherry mcclure elliott and this is mark mcclure my husband We would both like to be under oath and to to speak Mr. McClure, do you agree to be under oath as well? Yes. Yes, sir. Okay, mr. Montague I agree. Yes, mr. Parker If we could have you verbally assent or uh, except the oath Wonderful, um, each of you agree to this hearing be conducted conducted by the Remote software here today. Uh, mr. Mrs. McClure Yes, yes Mr. Montague Do and mr. Parker. Yes. Thank you so much Carla I think we're prepared for the staff report. I'm carl Rosenberg planning department. This is case coa 21 000 60 It's 23 26 Englewood avenue demolition of a primary structure. It's an amendment of a previous coa It's the applicant is riverbank development represented by david parker Owned also by riverbank development located on the north side of Englewood avenue between alabama and virginia avenue It's owned residential urban five and it's a non contributing structure in In the watselondale historic district So the applicant is to proposing to demolish this Non contributing primary structure And what makes this application? Substantially different from the previous is the incorporation of a lot of materials and design elements into A new structure on the site specifically an Accessory structure to be built which is in a separate application So i'd like to introduce the staff report into the record and invite the applicants to present their case The floor is yours mr. McClark. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry Um, good afternoon. My name is david parker. I'm current owner of 23 26 Englewood avenue A general contractor that will be performing the material salvage and construction on the site I'm also a watselondale resident an adjacent neighbor on the subject property When we began this journey near nearly a year ago We knew that our goals of transforming 23 26 Englewood avenue into an environmentally healthy thoughtfully designed Modestly sized home We're going to be a challenge Little did we know the obstacles we would encounter related to fracture supply change often increasing the material costs labor shortage And a demolition delay imposed on youth first Each of these posing a threat to our values based goals for this project We're back before you today to ask that coa 2 1 0 0 0 3 6 Be amended to allow immediate commencement of demolition and material salvage efforts Of the non contributing primary structure at 23 26 Englewood avenue Since that June meeting and I would listen For this commission as we dissected transcripts from our past hearings and sought better understanding of your preservation objectives As one governing body and individual perspectives within To city staff As we've sought clarity and interpretation of the hbc guidelines Stated priorities within the watselondale district and fundamental distinctions like contributing versus non contributing For our clients mark and sherry have been incredibly encouraging and accommodating through all this Today's proposal is only possible because of their continued investment of time energy And resources in a home and community that they are passionate about To neighbors seeking feedback on how they are currently experiencing the property How they might experience the salvage demolition and construction and ultimately their feelings about the environment We're seeking to create and to members of preservation Durham and conversations that we ultimately initiated Per the stated intent of the 365 day delay on June 1st We've invested in environmental experts to better understand health risks and current structure and potential proposed materials And engineers to confirm structural integrity of salvage salvage materials used in a different context And design experts to create To creatively steward existing resources in a manner that might honor this property and all those We've listened to throughout this journey In this coa Excuse me, and I invested in the coa Apprevation process and we're excited about the studio design and collaborative compromise that will make it possible While holding tight to our convictions related to environmental health modest scale and thoughtful design We've been open-minded about how we might honor this property for what's hillandale district Restored preservation commission in dirham's history Today's application proposes immediate salvage or portions of the home The front storm door concrete driveway brick veneer the structural framing members Of those that have been identified as most viable or floor framing within the middle of the hall Thus requiring invasive demolition for salvage All salvage materials Will require some form of restoration and or remediation prior to reuse Such as removing mortar from individual bricks and denailing cleaning and encapsulating all subsides each piece of lumber The proposed studio is intentionally reminiscent of the existing home's front elevation And is designed to be constructed almost entirely of salvage materials Viability of salvage materials is time-sensitive And reuse may not be possible the longer we wait Our mold experts and structural engineer have expressed concerns with further deterioration of the structure materials within additionally Repurpose of existing materials and construction of this studio Will not be possible due to costs Encouraged by virtue of the delay should the 365 day delay stand Today I'll submit Then an additional nine month delay and revitalization of this site Is preserving a nuisance and a missed opportunity for creative reinvention stewardship and legacy Respect and appreciate the efforts of this commission. I really appreciate you allowing me back before you today I hope that you'll find this application for the other approval Thank you so much. Thank you for uh investing time now into the afternoon I welcome any questions Before the commissioners directing any questions to mr. Parker Uh does uh mr. Montague or mr. Mrs. McClure uh care to speak in support of the application Yes The floor is yours Thank you My name is sherry mcclure elliott and my husband dr. Mark mcclure And I are excited and truly honored to have the opportunity to build our new home on the property at 2326 Englewood Um, we want to thank the hpc for approving our house plans at the july meeting We understand however at the june meeting We were surprised that the hpc delayed the demolition of the existing structure at that location for the 365 days that david mentioned Especially since it's a non-contributory structure to the watson-londale district and it's been abandoned and neglected for over seven years We understand that the maximum delay was imposed to give riverbank a chance to meet with preservation derm to explore how to salvage the existing structure Therefore david parker arranged a meeting with mr. Miller in late june to review the situation Mark and I attended that meeting After discussing the pros and cons of salvaging the home David again concluded that restoration was not a viable option and we agreed with his assessment Nevertheless, we planned a salvage concrete from the driveway brick from the foundation to incorporate a crevice garden We also proposed using existing shuttered front door and treated lumber from the existing structure to the backyard studio In view of the above and since we've already Served 90 days of the delay. We would greatly appreciate if the committee would lift the remaining restriction Thank you so much Mr. McClure I have nothing more to add. Thank you. Thank you and mr. Montague Thank you. Um, I'd like to add that uh, this project Looks at the landscape and the natural energies storm water Air flow and vegetation and is seeking to not only maintain the front yard As a gift to the neighborhood As so many front yards in that neighborhood are but also takes into account the fact that as durham develops the behavior of storm water changes the the the ambient air temperature that even the wind flow changes and the The crevice garden sherry mentioned a moment ago Is really just essentially Um A garden that's being used to return the site to historic storm water movement levels And takes into account that uh, should change over time should development encourage more storm water flow Or more aggressive storm water flow that the site is Going to be designed to to manage that in fact to leave neighbors downhill In a better more safe condition than where they are right now Thank you. Thank you I will now open it up for questioning by commissioners of the african Andy pulls me Thank you for your presentation. A couple questions here Mr. Mr Montague, excuse me Could you clarify? Are you are you a neighbor or part of the design team? I'm a landscape architect here in durham and i'm on the design team Okay, thank you. Thank you. Um and david No, no one from preservation durham Or could you kind of lend into your conversation with preservation durham a little bit more and how this was After you heard their concerns how this was uh compromised Yes, sir. Um So, uh, yeah, I Well, uh I didn't I I know folks at preservation durham. Um, I Would consider mr. Miller friend also a neighbor. Um, I did not hear from him At any point in advance of the gene first meeting, which was a bit surprising quite honestly um and then uh, obviously spoke out in opposition to you first and There was a lot of surprise that came out of that meeting And The thing that that and looking back at it And looking at the official ruling that seemed to be pretty Straightforward was the fact that the the 365 delay was approved with the intent of preservation durham inner city staff to To to really support and leave it the preservation efforts. Um, so I waited I think it was three to four weeks actually Uh, we heard nothing and finally emailed mr. Miller to introduce mark and sherry and arranged for a conversation in the back Driver was set in the back of 2326 and had a great conversation. I think, um Again our hopefully our body of work speaks to our Respect for these neighborhoods and for preservation Our analysis and that of structural engineer and mold experts determined that it was not viable to keep this house in its Uh current form. So that's how we got to the demolition um from from the outset, so I feel like Where that conversation with preservation durham and mr. Even mr. Miller in particular ended up was kind of a agree to disagree as far as can the house be salvaged um, but I think as far as um You know preservation macro, I feel like we're a very much alive in our beliefs and desire to preserve so Sorry, that was kind of long-winded, but I wanted to give a little bit of backstory as to how We got there thank you. Um commit commissioner jocelyn, uh I just want to state for the record that I am the executive director of preservation durham I was not involved in conversations with the applicant regarding this property after the uh before the ruling and after But I know um our standard uh when it comes to these situations Is that we contact folks In the community who are known rehabbers Who look for properties in dire need? uh a rehabilitation or Whether it's because they they are sliding for demolition or of the sort now i'm not um, I don't remember or may not be up to date on um the success of finding said We have person to at least take a look at the property and maybe they've driven by But if you have not been contacted it could have been what the delay was about Contacted someone who might be interested um and um It had I known that you hadn't been contacted. Um, I could have at least Have gotten clarity from my particular board members involved in the situation. Um, but um, but for that to work either um One of the things we would want to do is ask you to consider Selling it to someone who is able or who have taken a look at the property and thinks that they could Put the investment in but that will mean that the owner will be will be willing to um to to um um sell the property um to someone else and and and Move on to a different project It's one of the avenues but for this particular property that probably would have been what mr. Miller was looking into Yeah, maybe so Oh Go ahead just park um Mr. Johnson, I certainly I really appreciate you adding context to that and um appreciate all of preservation during efforts. I think a lot of what uh We discussed with mr. Miller was kind of a fracture within the process of as far as timing The fact that preservation doesn't get awareness of these projects until they're submitted and so much time Effort and monies that have been allocated at that point to it. Um, So I think there's some systemic things that can be addressed to avoid conflict among Different parties and and neighbors as it relates to these preservation efforts and um, You know when I when a house that has been taken for seven years um Comes up in something like this it to me it seems like It should be no real surprise that uh, you know a substantial Redevelopment is now being proposed furthermore the prop we purchased the property At the end of the last year, which means that once the property changes hands, then it's public record So just like you get mailers from Folks wanting to offer additional mortgage insurance or whatever else I would I would imagine that that would be public information that We're creating the right system or process organizations that are Um, like reservations around that are that are passionate about protecting endangered properties Would have access and could proactively reach out Excuse me. Um, I just want to be clear. Are you stating that as a as an organization that when Transaction is made that That that we We should I just I just want to be clear I wasn't clear. I'm sorry. I was just suggesting that Obviously, there there's an inventory There's historic districts. There are addresses within that there's a clear inventory that notes properties that fall under these guidelines and so I would Imagine that a There could be a database that is created that throws a flag up win a Property within a district changes hands and if it were identified as a At-risk property one that has been vacant for seven years, then there could be an opportunity there for proactive engagement On that so again, I'm not at all I'm only seeking to offer suggestions that might better the The interaction between These organizations and the HBC and private foreign Hello Rosenberg planning department. Um, thank you David for that feedback Did Mr. chairman, um, sorry to commissioner ghouls. We feel like his answer was Like an answer was given for his question regarding the specific meeting you've had Um and how to compromise moving forward Looking yeah, it it is a little hard without getting into into hearsays I think David's given about as much as much as he can from from his side Uh, it is unfortunate that, um If there was still a concern from preservation Durham, mr. Miller could have been here But so so far i'm satisfied with my question And yeah, the commissioners have questions for the applicant This is commissioner Hamilton. I just want to verify so the um Brick will be salvaged for the new accessory structure and I know it's kind of like that That's 22 because we have two different cases to review but, um The intent is for the brick to be salvaged for a new Accessory structure and the concrete will be salvaged for the harvest garden, correct? Is that the intent with this demolition? And we'll review those designs later That's correct. So that accessory structure would be so almost entirely of salvage material and it is designed specifically um to reflect the current elevation And then just wanted to ask that question from commissioner Hamilton at what percentage I guess of the existing Obviously the new structure appears to be smaller in the next hearing. Um, so I guess just like you have a round about understanding of how much material of the salvage 50 percent 25 percent of the existing structure of the existing structure were probably looking somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 percent that would be repurposed in the new structure because again the scale of it is quite smaller. Um Certainly when we're doing salvage efforts, uh 100 percent is is not Possible there's going to be collateral damage. There's certainly a ton of brick right now that is cracked and Wouldn't be able to be repurposed regardless of how it comes off of the house. Um We've also engaged neighbors and other folks within the community to Make use of Materials that could can be reusing other ways. We've contacted local artists. So there's other things that again just from a HPC aside and and Reservation and legacy and those things that are we're trying to retain within the district. We just want to be good schools of What's there where possible? Hopefully that answers your question about percentage Thank you Chair Bouchard with a question for uh, mr. McClure and mismaclure elliot. Um, could you speak to The financial hardships if any you are facing right now, uh, and would continue to face if the commission were to elect to Leave the remaining nine months Delay in place Well as mr. Uh parker mentioned the cost of materials of course is something that that's an unknown But they're you know other than that there wouldn't be a severe hardship We we have um We are renting in a property on clarendon street and um We have we have things in storage and whatnot. We're we're here. We're safe Thank you Um, it does speak Just something towards the financial aspect Is that mr. Parker again? Yes, sir. Please um Well, I wanted to just provide a little bit of context to you talk about hardship and I think getting some definition on that has been has been challenging and I think fortunately for uh For most of us in our in our hopeful society hardship is probably a stretch uh as it relates to the world standard, but um We and hopefully this addresses some of mr. Johnson's um Comments about someone else potentially redeveloping this or buying it So as with every restoration of construction endeavor financial viability is a major consideration from the outset as i'm sure we all know unfortunately Many in our industry mitigate this by diluting the design and easing through materials Or compromising workmanship, but what I would submit is maybe even more threatening to the integrity of historic districts Is the temptation to increase the overall size of the structures to create economies of scale and increase marry so The challenge with rep restoring Let's say 1200 square foot house. I'm building a new one is that economies of scale really ramp up when you get 2000 3000 4000 feet and I think that's You've got those pressures from a financial perspective Better than I think adversely affecting the overall integrity of these historic districts. So to make the the assertion of the assumption that someone would See this house and say I love it just as it is and I'm going to invest The $400,000 that it takes to restore it as it sits I think is Unrealistic and so then you're saying okay They're going in order to make the numbers work. There's pressures to just make the thing bigger and bigger and bigger And what we really really sought to do here is keep scale down I I don't know of anyone else that is submitted new construction application that is not under the small the new small house guidelines that is 2025 feet that's Really an achievement. I feel like and so at some point while hardship might not mean that one is Homeless of destitute it doesn't mean that it's not a viable project and thus the house sits vacant Mr. Parker, go ahead. Mr. Commissioner Johnson Yes, this commissioner Johnson. I have a question for the property owner or mr. Parker um You know great statement But when when it comes to and I know that we don't have a set um definition or we haven't provided proper instructions for applicants to make this economic hardship claim But I would think that Is one of the things that we could do is kind of look at it look at it logically look at it Okay, your developer. Do you know if you were to rehab this house? um What's like what will be the cost and has anyone like done that and submitted that hardcore numbers And then look at what's the value of the property? Um, I just need I I need to see numbers um making statements without evidence Uh without something to support it. It's like asking Uh for it's like any applicant applicant coming to us asking to make changes to their property Without providing any information or any documentation whereby we can Uh Kind of look at I know that we don't have And I don't know if crista has figured this out yet or found some examples elsewhere But I would think that asking people to submit numbers um Taking a look at the market value of the property and then taking a look at how much Do you have an understanding of the hardship? How much is it going to really cost if we were to rehab and keep this property here? um That would help me like numbers numbers would help me um, and I would think that that would be something that that could be fairly easily done As an estimate that's something to submit as part of the application Other than that, I don't understand having the conversation about economic hardship when we don't have any numbers to review I think that's a great point miss johnson and I Would certainly welcome that data to be Requested or part of the analysis on these applications because I completely agree with you. I think the hardship the whole language of hardship is is very hard to contextualize and and um Make an argument for one way or another but I think uh financial analysis of option a versus option b and understanding like The viability of that um is is a wise thing to um Bring up and request um to answer your question have done analysis on it. I have I early on Certainly we always do various scenario analysis on it on projects like this not counting every stick and brick as we like to say um simply because it was clear quite early Given what was required to restore the home your basic You're basically rebuilding it from the inside out And so I don't know I I hope that answers Your question there, but I really appreciate that perspective I think it would be a valuable Yeah, I just yeah, I just need numbers or else it's like I can't I can't make a decision based on that Any additional questions for the applicant? Okay, hearing none. Is there anyone else present who would like to speak for or against this case? Hearing from nobody else. I'm going to close Public hearing uh reserving the right to reopen it in case we need to ask any additional questions of the applicant And open things up for discussion among the commissioners Who would like to get us started? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead April. Please Um, I'm just you know, I made my statement about the economic hardship. I think we just need to At a basic level require people to give us an idea of what the value of the property is And how much would it cost if to preserve the property? And I think that's something that can be easily done getting quotes, you know, you know pretty easily done My second my second point is I think last time I I remember last time I think I made a comment that this type of house um is is actually um, this is the Watsonville neighborhood correct? Yes. Um is Uh, you see this a lot in this neighborhood. Um And though it's not contributing it's starting to it's it's part now part of the neighborhood character of the neighborhood And I don't know. I have a hard time um This non contributing thing I'm still struggling with that. I struggle with it because I think that um these posts These 1940s 1950s houses are now part of the fabric of these neighborhoods and they they tell a continuous continual story And and if I can remember correctly and maybe commissioners can help me to remember Was there enough evidence the first go around that the mold was Irreparable That the mold issue was um Too dire to clean if it's I I don't remember Carl Rosenberg planning department. Um, that was not presented in the first hearing but only because If it just wasn't brought up And they wanted a second opportunity to be able to bring that up. It wasn't deemed relevant Initially, but it does factor into the hardship this year Okay, because um, the the the applicant had the uh, or at least the construction company Had a prior application before for demolition And they had a a mold report and and I just didn't remember if this one had a mold report that kind of helped us understand the depth of the issues so, um Okay, so that was just my comment Thank you commissioner johnson anyone else I'll go ahead and speak my mind then in that case. Um, chair bouchard here My recollection is I voted in support of a delay when this was considered back in june um I am on the fence about continuing that delay and the reason why is I don't know if we're going to get a better outcome than what is proposed here today um Three months of run nine months or left We can certainly hold the applicant to what we decided on the previous case um In the hopes of perhaps we get a better outcome. Um, then what is being proposed here particularly with the companion case to follow um Well, we are talking about a non-contributing structure They're willing to incorporate historic materials from a non-contributing structure into a new structure, which I think does At least continue To some extent the legacy of the existing structure um, and I am somewhat swayed by the excerpt from the Watts hill and dale local historic preservation plan that's included in the coa report um That reads in pertinent part A few dozen houses primarily duplexes built between world war two and the early 1960s Sharing different architectural character not congruent with the rest of the neighborhood um End of the day. I think we need to give serious thought to what role if any we can play as a commission to Basically reserving or re-rostering properties in the jurisdiction in the neighborhoods. Um On which we currently have jurisdiction um I feel like we have obtained a benefit here from imposing a 365 day delay back in june At the risk of repeating myself. I'm not sure we're going to do any better. Um, then what has been presented here Uh, and so I am inclined to switch the vote I had made back in june and to support Uh, this coa and to move forward with uh demolition Reutilizing these materials into, um, the accessory structure proposed in the next case um and Affording miz mclure and excuse me miz mclure elliot and miz mclure the ability to um build their house move out of their rental property and uh and move forward Mr chairman commissioner de baird So I'd like to echo commissioner johnson's comments in that I'm not I'm not sure one that we've allowed this process to play out the way We had envisioned it three months ago Um, given them the 365 was I thought to allow You know this process to go a while and hopefully find someone Who might be willing to purchase this house and rehabilitate it? I think two the the moniker non contributing is Not really appropriate for a house of this age Um, I'm getting ready to go to a seminar that is going to address Exactly this situation these types of homes that miss the cutoff not because they were um Not worthy but because of age and now because of age if we re um Did this historic district this house and many others would be included and this type of house and this type of architecture and and Decise everything now is being recognized as um as important and significant so non contributing bothers me a little bit and that It is in a way contributing and we're just now beginning to realize in what way it is and then thirdly if You buy property in a historic district. I feel like you should consider the default being that you will not demolish the home, but you will Rehab it or restore it and there are tax credits and All sorts of benefits to doing that and that's why we created these districts So I would have a really hard time reversing our Past decision because i'm not sure the process has played out the way we envisioned it and the way The criteria envisions it In order to maintain the characteristics of these neighborhoods Thank you commissioner de berry. Uh, we have yet to hear from vice chair ghoulsby and commissioner hamilton Hey, katie.  This is commissioner hamilton um I'm struggling with this one because I do feel that A delay will just end up with us not getting salvaged materials In this lack of delay at least is getting us salvaged materials However, I do understand commissioner de berry's point that like really the intent of this Is to encourage preservation of of houses and you know losing The This type of Structure is problematic when it is such a defining characteristic of the district and So i'm i'm on the fence. I honestly could probably vote either way with with the commission as they They see fit Thank you commissioner hamilton vice chair ghoulsby so so I was one of the Folks for no delay on on this project Reason being then is uh Most of the non contributing aspect to it um I wish we would have had some kind of stance beforehand Going into that media of you know, this is what is going to contribute or post-war home is going to be part of a contributing district um So I I tend to Want to stick with that vote That this is a non contributing structure And that we need as a commission or the city Needs to look at our guidelines And our definitions for these districts and if we want to include These post-war homes we need to change the criteria to one help us Have some understanding On how on which way to sway and to give the neighborhoods an understanding that these types of structures are important Um You know, I I don't think we're penalizing but I'll use that that word. I don't necessarily want to penalize this couple for Or this property for being the one that we're choosing to make our stance on on post-war homes um So again, I tend to lead me toward my original vote as uh, no delay um I do wish as part of this presentation um That the original parties to present it could have been here And and be able to talk about you know has it's been a a resolved matter um, but I think with the delay The idea is to pursue other options um And what I'm what I've heard is that that hasn't been that so this is some areas where I do have some conflict with with actually um This current, um case is I I'm not convinced that the 365 delay has been satisfied for the the intent of that by putting the 365 um that's um The conversations were had and we and that conclusion has been resolved there only because there's not the evidence to to really present um I will say my my personal thought is the salvage materials aspect to it. Um Doesn't really sway me uh to In terms of this is uh relieving the The historic, you know, importance of this building. I mean it's it to me. It's a good gesture to to reclaim these materials and reuse them um, but it doesn't say that hey this building was so important that we You know, we did something else with it. You know, we didn't move it. We didn't um You know keep it in its state. It doesn't doesn't contribute as it currently is. You know, it's again, it's it to me It's a good gesture. Um So with that said again, I I'm I still look to my Previous vote, but do add those other other comments so I appreciate that vice chair goesby. Um, I mean we got ourselves obviously a very close case here. Um Let me remind the applicant that This board has three grounds we can consider to Approve of a demolition without delay and the standards are the property owner will suffer extreme hardship The property owner will be permanently deprived of all beneficial use of a return from such property by virtue of the delay Or the building has no special significance or value toward maintaining the character of the district I'm not sure the applicant is going to convince a sufficient number of um members of this board that This building has no special significance. Um, and I'm certainly uh sympathetic and actually in agreement with the argument that There's some arbitrariness to labeling these structures as non contributing Because based on their age based on the contributions they've made to the historic neighborhood for more than half a century Um, it's certainly arguable that they're not contributing I also don't think it's going to be possible to convince a majority of this board that The homeowners will be permanently deprived of beneficial use of the property by waiting another nine months which gets really to the first criteria, which is The property owner will suffer extreme hardship Um, as I mentioned, it's one of the reasons why I'm considering changing my vote from uh, what it was in june uh, but I also get the sense especially in listening to commissioner johnson's questions that there is um insufficient information At least in in her mind and perhaps in the mind of other commissioners on that question. Um, I realize we just uh, you know Uh, continue the last case and I don't want to be the the chair that kicks cases down the road. Um, but I at least want to put the option on the table since it looks to me like the way to get around the delay Um, at least in my mind based on everything I've heard is to as for the applicant to demonstrate um, extreme hardship if it might make sense To give this process another 30 days or 60 days Provide that evidence So that it's a little bit more firm and perhaps a little bit more persuasive for some of the commissioners Um, and in the interim also have an opportunity to perhaps get up with folks like mr. Miller to see if there's anything else possible out there Um, again, I I realize we've been going at it for a while here It's probably nothing too satisfactory to either the applicant or to this board in considering another continuance, but um, it's not entirely clear to me that there are votes in support of Uh, this application this afternoon and I at least wanted to put it on the table To see if anyone wanted to bite at it I I just have a quick question for staff Maybe I don't remember how I voted and maybe that had helped me because I remember being torn at the time. Does anybody remember? Yeah, I pulled it up. It was uh, this commissioner calls me. Uh, it was myself and tom kurt That voted which way? No delay. Okay Do any commissioners in my my recollection? I was going to add my recollection of the discussion was it was primarily The the importance of post-war buildings and whether or not it's contributing to Not necessarily in itself, but in the neighborhood And it that is a good point to be able to say that there is a diversity of of ages of homes in the neighborhood Um, it certainly does contribute to that piece And goes me and I agree with you. You know thinking about it now If we haven't um, do we have a leg to stand on if it's not if we don't specifically If if it's not stated in the in the national register nomination, which is kind of the document we use to Identify historic character And things that are contributing I don't know. I think I'm still in between but On the other hand, I still don't feel like I have enough evidence that the property is Cannot is Cannot be repaired or we have And that there is an economic hardship issue Like I said before there was a report before a mold report before they helped us determine that and we didn't have that this month I think the central tension we have here Is once the building is demolished. There's no going back It's gone. Um, and Yeah, I mean that's that's it. It's it's gone now. There are reasons stated in our Approval criteria for demolitions as to why it's acceptable for that to happen without delay um, and I I think that's the central tension at least that I'm dealing with personally is not wanting to see a structure that I think reasonable minds can Agree is historic even if not contributing Um, but at the same time make a an accommodation where it's it's warranted and again Commissioners, I don't know how you feel about the issue. Um, and maybe I'll put it to commissioner johnson first I mean would having additional information about the potential hardship The applicant would suffer if the um full 365 days Is imposed would that potentially have an impact on on your vote? absolutely would And um, and if there's a claim that the mold is um, that there's so much mold that it can't be What's the word I mean cleaning up environment. Yeah, thank you Um remediate it then that will also be helpful too But yes, if you if you can If we can figure out some type of guideline value of the property How much is going to cost it's going to cost and if we can see that the percentage Compared to the value. I don't know. Um, we'll have to figure out a guideline for that, but it just helped me Um, but yes, thank you. So I guess I'll put the question then to um, the applicant, um, mr. McClure and ms. McClure Elliot Is this Additional information that you feel like you could provide to us in say the next 30 days so that we can put this back on Uh for hearing in november I realize that would be five months into the delay period, but if the Information provided is compelling. Um We may be able to Give consideration to removing the remaining seven month delay I would defer to mr. Parker on that because he did although he doesn't have firm numbers. He did Make evaluation and half time to reflect on it into discussion with mr. Miller and still came to The conclusion that it wasn't a viable option We're a holistic healthcare providers practitioners in addition to being You know traditional medical practitioners and the issue of mold Is one that can have serious repercussions And that's something that You know if it's can't be remediated and if it's severe as the report Appeared to show That's not a home that we would want to live in appreciate this conversation and Again y'all's willingness to just Continue to engage after So such a long meeting. Um I recognize The various arguments and the tensions that it is here um I want to be clear that We have tried I have personally tried everything I know to do within this process to Be by the book I honor the various constituents in the neighborhood from the preservation Commission and preservation Durham and even from the very out when we talk to city staff Here's not contributing. Here's all the issues. You need more reporting. You need structural And there was no precedent For this ruling for a not contributing structure. I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be preferred I respect that genre of Of architecture. We preserved and restored the one next door We're submitting enough, but you're gonna have an application next month that'll come before this board of a ad you where We specifically Changed the design because of the ruling based on this case But it's a struggle for me when we try to do everything we know to do I'm holding mold report right here. I've got shrubs here. I've got all of this stuff To then say well, it's not contributing But maybe it should be I don't disagree. But what rules are we then supposed to follow and at what cost? because I struggle using the word hardship because We're I'm blessed. We're all blessed like we can figure it out But at the end of the day, we spent 10 over 10,000 additional dollars to get from June 1st to today And I agree with with mr. Goldsman the the gesture of the Studio is not something that I would propose that is Is commensurate with preserving the house as it sits but Non contributing isn't the same thing as contributing either So I feel like it's a consideration that is consistent with the inconsistencies that exist within this whole debate And so, you know on a financial hardship perspective The cost of all this at this point Is at market or above like the market sharey have been incredibly gracious and patient and it's their Their passion and perseverance that are keeping them here today. I think But it can't Time is only worsening that spread in economics. It just is and so To say well, maybe it hasn't been fully This process hasn't run its course. Well, what is that process? because the ruling I see from june 1st is that It the impetus was on The parties that challenged our application to help find resolution But then ultimately I scheduled that I arranged that meeting I'm seeking collaboration But there's nothing from the other side and so I'm just I want to I really believe in y'all's efforts. I appreciate this commission But I'm trying to figure out how to work with that and it's it's frustrating and it's Disappointing and Being that to the Well, mr. Parker, we hear your frustration The only thing I can say in response to it is I don't know if you have And the applicants have sufficient support To have this period of delay cut today We can certainly put it to a vote I am not afraid of putting it to a vote. I've got no Reservations about putting it to a vote my sense is There could be some benefit to the applicant in providing additional information On whether or not the applicant would suffer extreme hardship And again, I'll emphasize The phrases suffer extreme hardship that includes financial, but it could also include other things My sense is we have at least one commissioner who might be swayed by additional evidence of that Um But if the desire of the applicant is to move forward with a vote today, we can certainly Put it to a vote today We do another straw poll We could do another straw poll. I think I think we know where Four votes are and it's really uh down to commissioner hamilton. Um in terms of Where she sees things I think she's deciding vote if we put it to a vote today Thanks cherry shark My apologies, um Yeah, I think some of the discussion that's been had in the last half hour With the fact that this is a non-contributing building um and that to To do the apply the criteria that we have The question of whether or not it should be contributing Um, probably Is one we need to address. Um, but it's non-contributing now. Um, and that's the criteria that We are, you know, we're looking at is like the historic value of it. And so I understand completely Mr. Parker's argument that It's considered non-contributing. So the you know, what is the historic value and how do you determine that if the If the written Record says it's not contributing So with that in mind um I I would be willing to vote for this but I would ask the commission if we should re-evaluate our Does contributing and non-contributing moving forward following this case. Um, that would be my stance today and Go ahead. Mr. Johnson I I just um, I just have one last final comment. Um, based on the last statement from mr. Parker um, I think that Sometimes what I see in these situations is that people don't treat The application process for the demolition of a non-contributing structure as they do for a contributing structure Because I didn't know that you had a mold report But for whatever reason it wasn't submitted.  They were speaking um, and so you know, I I think that you know Just because of building is not contributing doesn't mean that the same amount of work is not required I think that you have to make the case I mean, we don't even have pictures showing mold in the house. I mean that to me that helps like make your case Um, and I think that's another reason why I personally struggle because I don't know You know, you could be talking about a little piece of mold, you know in the corner Well, I know um, and I've seen that before and that could be clean that could be remediated. Um, so um, I just want to say just for future reference when you're dealing with a non-contributing structure treated As if it is contributing and you're you're trying to make your case Um, if you say something in the application bring the evidence and support it and say hey, this is the situation that will help That's all thanks I appreciate that that is their no learning opportunity for us through Carla, can we have a staff recommendation? Carl Rosenberg planning department staff would recommend approval of the application Um, amending the previous Uh ruling to remove the delay Everyone our next step is to move um Or continue Um, I'm happy to make a motion. It sounds like you might have adequate support today All right, I will move The Durham Historic Preservation Commission finds that in the case coa 21 00060 2326 Englewood Avenue demolition of primary structure The applicant is proposing to demolish a non-contributing primary structure dating from circa 1960 The commission has determined the structure to lack sufficient historical value or structural integrity to preserve it The commission has determined that the property owner Has shown substantive evidence of facing extreme hardship or being permanently deprived of all beneficial use of or return from the property by virtue of a delay The site will be stabilized with grass seed and straw following demolition No further construction has thus far been proposed therefore in accordance with udo requirements and ncgs 160d-949 The coa for the proposed demolition is approved without a delay Um, Carla is my planning department. I apologize. One of those bullet points I must not have Edited it correctly. It should say that There was any construction previously proposed and it was approved Let me reread the last bullet. The site will be stabilized with grass seed and straw following the demolition Period therefore in accordance with udo requirements and ncgs 160d-949 The coa for the proposed demolition is approved. Excuse me is approved without a delay Here we have a second second Second from vice chair ghoulsby clerk elliot. I'll vote please um chair for sardin approved Commissioner de berry no uh vice chair ghoulsby approved uh commissioner hamilton approved commissioner johnson now motion passes three to two We're going to move straight away into our next and final case. I believe we have the same roster of speakers This is case coa two zero two two one zero zero six one two three two six anglewood avenue new construction of accessory structure and site work I don't believe there's anyone here who has a conflict of interest in hearing the case Uh, so let us proceed with the swearing in actually if everyone's already sworn in christa any need to swear in the same witnesses for this case okay, uh Clerk elliot if you could go ahead and read the oath Thank you. Do you swear? Do you swear or affirm that a testimony you're about to give in the public? Here in proceeding for today's case is the truth by your own knowledge or by information and beliefs This on the floor Yes, yes Ms. McClure elliot Yes, yes And mr. Parker Yes, I do Mr. Montague Yes And once again, do all of you consent to this case being presented via the zoom platform, uh, mr. McClure Yes, yes Ms. McClure elliot. Yeah Mr. Parker If I have a verbal, please. Oh, yes, and mr. Montague Yes Thank you Staff report carla. Thank you Carla Roseburg planning department. This is case syria 21 000 61 23 26 and wood avenue new construction of an accessory structure and site work Owner and applicant riverbank development presented by david parker located north side of angle with avenue between alabama and virginia avenues So address a total urban five a non-contributing Structure parcel within the lat-sailing office to our district So the applicant is proposing to construct a new accessory structure repurposing materials that were contained within the building and site of the previous Primary structure, which was just approved for demolition. I'd like to Introduce the staff report into the record and invite mr. Parker to present his case Well, I know this one was Inter-tangled with the previous one. So I walked The labor this but as you know, we We've created this design to mimic The front elevation of the existing home. It's built almost entirely of repurposed materials and a lot of Time and effort and iterations went into Creating this what you see here before you would try to match the The proportions of the existing structure Have a flexible from a utility perspective a flexible space that addresses the backyard and the new primary structure and one that With a covered portion Combined with The Studio type shed space. It's one that that has a nice week though has a nice transition from enclosed space to just outdoor and yard and additionally if there's connectivity with the repurposed concrete elements that Preston is designed within the rear yard in front yard Thank you, mr. Parker. Is there anybody else from the applicant who wishes to present in support of the application? I'd like to say something Please respond to you I just wanted to also reiterate an earlier statement about The way myself and rearbank have been working on landscape performance with the mclores in an effort to maintain Certain degree of historic ecological Function of the site in what I think are really sophisticated ways that aren't really always apparent and it's an unfortunate part of landscape and some of the most important parts are hidden underground and uh that there are In my opinion some really exciting and sophisticated ways that we've all been Myself looking at historic stormwater movement Through the city and recognizing that currently it has become a problem for neighbors and that the landscape suggestions that we're making on this property Not only help to proceed historic conditions for stormwater movement actually making This property Actually beneficial to three or four neighbors down if not even further in the neighborhood um and Really appreciate The mclores giving me the opportunity to Use upcycled materials from the site As a way to strengthen and rehabilitate the site Thank you for that. Thank you Mr. McClure, Ms. McClure Elliott anything further? No, listen, I just want to say we really appreciate the commission We're new residents to Durham We've lived we've lived here for over a year. We've been in the triangle for over 25 years But as a commission I see that you wrestle with very difficult Situations and that your hearts are in the right direction. I just thank you for your work and your service to the community Thank you Commissioner is any questions for the applicant? Hearing none. I'll ask if there is anyone else present who would like to speak for or against the case Hearing from nobody else I will go ahead and close the public hearing so we can have discussion amongst commissioners commissioners I realized I think With respect to this property the hard work may have been the prior case but that being said I certainly want to entertain any conversation folks want to have about the Application in front of us right now if any The commissioner calls me not anything that kind of strikes me and thinking about historic districts um is the placement of this accessory uh building on the site and not necessarily that it's at the back rear of the lot But that it's in a different orientation to the house um I often think of the accessory Building being um in a similar orientation and I want to open that up to discussion Really good question Our criteria requires that new accessory structures be to the side or rear of the primary structure Have any Mr. Montague have a reason from a wind direction thing that he could share as to why it might be oriented that way Absolutely and thank you for the capacity to speak here. Um One of the troubles with landscape architecture is that when you design overhead like a bird some of these Juxtapositions of lines really stick out But when you're standing in the landscape and experiencing it One of the reasons this accessory structure is positioned in the way it is Is to maximize ease Of entry into the structure from the rest of the landscape. It follows a natural flow Um out of the door If you flip the shed and make it orthogonal right to line up At least kind of like spatially with the house You immediately leave the shed and are dumped immediately into the back wall of the house Now the front door the shed faces as you enter into the backyard furthermore the shed is positioned in a way that it Takes advantage of the topography And uh is also designed to move storm water around it like a wedge Dividing that flow reducing its volume and its velocity so that it enters the neighbor behind it With less destructive force. So even in an overhead mapping position. It seems like it's a little bit weak Angled it's done. So so that it actually positively affects storm water. It positively affects airflow It's responsive to uh to human use and I don't think that it's a condition that when you're actually in the landscape Would you ever think about Andy the only criteria that I can find that would relate to it would be B3d Which states that you should orient the primary entrance quote towards the street and quote I guess it is arguable if it is on a diagonal if the primary entrance to the accessory structure is towards the street Um Um chair bouchard does that apply to accessory structures or to primary structures only It's under the new structures heading for non contributing properties Um, so it's unclear whether it's intended to apply to primary only Um, or also to accessory structures That's a very good question. I read it as applying to primary in my report I would agree with that madness chair was or uh by chair was very good Any other questions from commissioners? Any other discussion among commissioners? Hearing none. I would ask for a staff recommendation carlo rosenberg's uh planning department staff would recommend approval of this application New things along here late in the day. I will go ahead and make the motion The Durham Historic Preservation Commission finds that in the case ceo a two one zero zero zero six one two three two six Englewood avenue new construction of accessory structure and site work The applicant is proposing a one-story accessory structure measuring approximately 12 feet by 12 feet It will be constructed with bricks and a louvered stume scooby louvered storm door With street numbers salvaged from the existing primary structure on site and painted fiberglass clad wood casement windows a fully glazed fiberglass door and a modern sanding seam metal roof crevice gardens that avail themselves of natural stormwater flow will be constructed of repurposed concrete from an existing driveway and parking pad to be demolished They will be located throughout the fronts and rear yards Therefore the conclusion of law is that the proposed addition and alterations are consistent with the historic character and qualities of the historic district And are consistent with the Durham Excuse me with the historic properties local review criteria Specifically those listed in the staff report and the Durham Historic Preservation Commission approves the certificate of appropriateness for case ceo a two one zero zero six one Two three two six Englewood Avenue new construction of accessory structure and site work with the following conditions One the improvements shall be substantially consistent with the plans and testimony presented to the commission at this commission hearing and attached to the ceo a Two the improvements may require additional approvals from other city or county departments or state or local agencies The applicant is responsible for obtaining all required approvals relating to building construction site work and work in the right of way And three a compliance inspection shall be performed immediately upon completion of the work approved here in You commissioner hamilton clerk elliott roll call vote, please I don't chair facade approved Commissioner de bary approved Vice chair ghosty no commissioner hamilton approved commissioner johnson approved Motion passes for one Thank you very much. I appreciate everybody's patience here. I know we went long But we had some important discussion here on some Big issues issues that this commission will continue to grapple with but we wish Mr. McClure and miz mclure elliott Best wishes as they move forward with this project Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all Thank you Thank you, everybody That is the last of our cases members of the commission Moving on quickly to old business One item on our list. That's the newsletter right, so um Katie emailed me a draft of the newsletter and I do have some feedback for her Um, uh, just some Some additional text and a photo to highlight two projects instead of one Katie if I were to give you these edits, how long would you need to be able to Make those changes and then Send it out to the commission for review by email Um, I can probably make that pretty quickly. Um I would uh With the third like if I gave it back to you on the 13th Uh 13th is that let's see what they let me do that Yeah Monday Okay, yeah, so That and we'll tell you that What's that? I don't know if you have any ideas on how we're going to get a whole other project to fit But hopefully you've cut some by reducing Reducing some of the text in the first story Yeah, it was a struggle to get it to fit already. So I was like, um, do you want me to reduce my text? Um, Um, well, I actually already took a stab at it. Okay. I'll text I can send it to both of you and then You let me know what you think but I I yeah, I did do some peering down of the first text and then added additional second Second project text and then I'll also have a picture from that second project So, um I will I'll I'll send those to you this afternoon um and then as soon as um Monday would be great or anytime that that we cannot send it out to the commission when I receive it from Katie So that's great And we'll be ready to distribute new business New business minor coas Yes, I will get those out Wonderful. Wow Um, obviously we've got a big issue here to discuss Uh regarding these non contributing, uh properties and demolition standards. Um Carl is that part of the upcoming refeed at all or is absolutely and so one of the things is um I wanted to get your questions today If you don't have them today, if you could by any chance Send them to me by the end of the week I would love to get questions from everyone because um our presenter Um specifically said her job will be much easier if she has specific questions from you as well So now that we've had a real uh hands-on experience with this issue Hopefully everybody has some questions formulated Okay, does anybody want to share right now some questions I might have for the record and then I mean generally speaking, I'd love to know what role um this commission can play in I guess accelerating the process by which uh properties currently located in Districts within our purview, um might be added uh to the list of contributing properties because it seems like this issue could continue to crop up and I'm hoping next time We'll have a more robust list of contributing properties, but I don't know what that process entails and How we might be a part of it And then my question would be the economic improvement economic hardship Was it called economic or financial hardship? Well, I think it's a suffer extreme hardship So I think you could look at it as financial and otherwise. Um, right So, yeah, I would like we would we need to provide guidance as people just throw it out Um, but we don't really have a way to measure what what that looks like We don't have thresholds Maybe that could be part of your presentation. Krista. Um regarding the legal Sure. I mean, I think it's a good question. I think unfortunately, there's not a lot of guidance in terms of case law on it. And so, um You know, Carla, I was thinking when you asked for questions That was going to be something that I thought we should discuss and it could be that maybe Our our other speaker has guidance on that because I I think we can come up with sort of reasonable factors for the commission to consider In making that determination, but we don't have anything that's required of us In making that decision. So I think, you know, looking at the The finances is a really concrete way of evaluating it. Um, but if if our other speaker has ideas I think that would be really helpful Well, our other speaker is um in charge of the national register side of things rather than clg So I'm not sure how verse she is in in what we face today Certainly about contributing status, um for mid-century structures, um, but I can Do we define hardship in our UDL? I don't think so Hey, Chris, if I were to send you a copy of my opening script, would you be able to change the Session law reference and the statutory reference to what it should be now? I would do that That's an easy that's an easy job I know it changed that I've been meaning to try to find the new sites, but I'll let y'all handle it Check Y'all, thanks so much. I mean these meetings are going long and part of that's a function of the way I'm handling things I'm not quite sure how to move things along faster We we had some contentious stuff today I don't think it's you it's not us Matt, um, I think you did I think great leading us through this discussion today. I didn't hear You know redundancies like we have in the past I would say that the hard part today was just having the evidence We needed to make a clear decision. Yeah Yeah, I agree. I think you did a wonderful job and these were hard cases and we knew it was going to be that way um, and so I think y'all did a really great job of tackling each issue and Being really logical and methodical in your deliberations Appreciate that feedback carla. How are we looking for october? uh or cases We think it's four. Okay, because one with your one we come in Yeah, it's four And I don't think they're gonna be quite as difficult as these Thank goodness excellent All right, does anyone have anything else before we adjourn? Yeah, thanks again everyone. I know it was long Bye. Have a good day. Have a great month


Hello and welcome to the session where we are going to understand the following problem today. Sine inverse 1 minus x minus 2, sine inverse x is equal to pi by 2, then x is equal to a 0, half b 1, half c 0, d 1 by 2. Now let us first write the key idea to the problem. Sine inverse x plus cos inverse x is equal to pi by 2, where x belongs to closed interval minus 1 power 1. This is the key idea to our problem. Now let us write the solution. Sine inverse 1 minus x plus cos inverse 1 minus x is equal to pi by 2.   We will name it as 1. Now let sine inverse x is equal to alpha which implies x is equal to sine alpha. We will name these as 2.  Now this becomes putting sine alpha is equal to x in above equation we get 1 minus 2x square minus is equal to 1 minus x which implies 2x square minus x is equal to 0 which implies staying x common so we are left with 2x minus 1 is equal to 0 which implies x is equal to 0 or x is equal to half. Putting x is equal to half the value does not satisfy the equation therefore x is equal to 0 is the answer. Hence the required answer is 3. I hope you understood the problem. Bye and have a nice day.


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We're not but be caught certified yet. We've put the application in. I think that, again, starting with what you can change immediately, so with all of the how we treat our employees, for example, that's something that you have complete control over in your business. Especially for us, we're only 35 people, so we can make those changes pretty much immediately. We've recently hired a head of people which I think is quite unique for a business of our size. Those sorts of things, I suppose, are easier to do quicker. I suppose the more environmental and supply chain things, and Liz, who works on our ops team, is proudly taking a picture of me right now. Probably knows more about this than I do, but I think that's where you really have to put the effort and the time in. One thing that we did do is we put a questionnaire out to all of our suppliers to understand what they were currently doing. Our beer is brewed in Bavaria, and I think Liz and I were chatting earlier about the fact that there are not as many bee corps in Germany, and none of them are breweries. So it's also about educating your suppliers and the people in your supply chain, but also educating the people in your team to be mindful of the suppliers they're using and the practices that they're using. So I think the challenges for us are that there's long-term and short-term wins. And I suppose the biggest challenge really for us being a start-up and only being three years old is becoming a bee corp whilst also running a start-up that's growing really fast. And I suppose one of the ways that we've done that is that we've worked that into our targets as a business. So again, it's not something that we're kind of like, oh, we'll get to that, you know, on Friday, I don't have any meetings and I'll get to the bee corp stuff. It's part of our targets as a business. And I think having that on your... I was talking to our MD, Emma, yesterday, about having personal things on your to-do list like going to the dentist and that will actually get you round to it. And I guess it's a similar sort of analogy where you have to have it on your list. It can't just be something that you think you're going to get round to. It has to be a priority. So that's probably the biggest challenge is making it a priority, but we know it's important, so we have kind of prioritised it. The workers bit is interesting because from our point of view, we got quite high quite quickly because we had a strong culture and there were lots of things that we were doing that were worked, but it wasn't really in either of the five areas. It wasn't really very rigorous or documented, so actually just getting off and making it really not just what people feel and what people are around, but actually a bit more of a process. And so things on workers in particular, yes, okay, we had a great culture, yes, we had team bonding sessions, but actually when it came to IND, when it came to parental leave, things that weren't set in stone that way, that's where the E-cops really helped us. So now, for example, we have parental leave, which is giving the same as men as it is to women. We have affinity groups, which people are, again, part of their objectives, so we've just integrated that into much more of a formal way. In that sense.


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Right now, I think the nation needs law and order because you have a bad group of people out there and they're using George Floyd and they're using a lot of other people to try and do some bad things and what we do and I we have a totally under control but you have Democrat in many cases in all cases Democrat super liberal mayors. I mean the mayor of Minneapolis was it was disgraceful when I watched that when I saw cops fleeing a precinct There's no reason in a million years that should have been done and we took that mess. That was a total mess We brought in the National Guard. We took care of it now. It's very good. If you look at that area It's very good. So yeah, we need healing, but we also need strength and we need toughness and we need law and order We need it all, but we do need healing


Alright, welcome to our new segment, Op Battles. So in these segments, we'll have two coasters, for example, of Eithan and Behemoth battling it out to see which had better operations that day of filming. In this segment, we'll analyze what could have been done better, or what can improve at the very end of the operations video. Two coasters will go head-to-head, and hopefully in the future we'll have coasters at bigger parks like Cedar Point, King's Island, Carolin's, and Six Flags parks going head-to-head. Maybe even parks going head-to-head as well, so maybe like Carolin's, Fury 325, versus Leviathan at Canada's Wonderland. Comment below what two coasters you want to see go-to-head, go head-to-head, or which two parks you want to see go-to-head, head-to-head, and at the end of the video also provide maybe your analysis on what could have improved in these operations on Behemoth and Leviathan as well. Alright, so Behemoth won. Yay! Hopefully you routine Behemoth in this operation videos, because if not, then maybe you just lost. But guys, what do you think went wrong? Comment below. What could have improved the operations on these coasters? In my opinion, it looks like the guess and the belongings aspect was the problem. So maybe having lockers, I know the park is kind of against lockers, and they have said that they don't like lockers, but maybe having lockers because they're such a big park will really help with capacity. I mean, they're such a busy park that it's almost becoming mandatory that they do have lockers to increase capacity and slow down or limit those wait times. But yeah, I hope you guys are enjoying this video. This is our first time doing an operations battle, and you know, we hope to do more. We have someone at Cedar Point filming tomorrow, and we hope to do park versus park, and yeah. So again, remember to comment down below which two coasters or which two parks you want to see go-to-head. Comment down below what you guys think could improve on the operations of these two coasters.  And give this video a like and subscribe if you haven't. Alright, thanks for watching guys, and thanks for supporting us. Have a good one. Bye.


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