This is the first no one's ever thought of this before the first panel show on the entirety of the internet that actually has interaction You get to decide what you get to decide who what we talk about at home. This is choose your own adventure All right, so all of you watching right now. What do you want us to talk about? Pogs Pokemon cards the defective hogs, whatever it is you choose hogs you get to pick Wow, that's a throwback. I'm dating myself by knowing what that is. I mean, I'm down for it And then yeah, let me throw at least in my chats The link Because I realized no one can submit anything if I don't put that in there So let me drop that in and feel free to fill it up with questions I Love everyone who submitted questions last time, but I assure you I will not be taking personal questions about me So if you put those in there, they're not gonna get answered. So please You'll take personal I mean, there's limits to what I'll answer but I'll take basically every single question. I have no shame You all Let me start this episode by saying Last episode I was not saying beats children. That is not what I was saying I am not a proponent of child abuse.  That was not what I was saying I will communicate my gender love of violence better in the future Just thought I should tell you are there any other controversies that we should address because I don't know if there are any others But I didn't know that that was a thing, but I'm glad that you cleared that up My friend told me like right at the end of the episode. He was like, oh, he was like they were so bad I was like And then one of my followers told me on Instagram and immediately I was like, no ma'am I agree with you. I agree with you.  Don't be I Actually, I am not a proponent of beating children. I don't I I know my people usually are but I my myself I'm not a fan and I just wanted to clear that up like just you know want to be in trouble for the right things I was gonna say we could we could use our powers of uncancellation to uncancel you there we go Thank you. I Feel like there's gonna come a point where something that we say is going to be deliberately Misconstrued because it's happened to all of us But we just have to like get under the skin of certain people and then they'll like take a clip They'll boost it. I feel like soon it's gonna happen. It hasn't happened to us yet. Just positive things Someone said when I did the when we did the midterm stream elections. Do y'all remember when y'all brought up? They don't work for a second one of the polls that had it wrong or something or we thought you read it though He was ahead and I was like, oh Somehow that that right there someone was on Twitter like and she's a real bait over work And we should have known People will take you out of context. They'll take certain clips. They This happened. Yeah, I mean YouTube comments I read I'll read things in my comments where it's like you should talk about this and in Literally in that video I talked about that and they didn't watch the big Yeah, this is just that's a literal worse when it's like Mike didn't even bring up this It's like well, you didn't get to minute nine motherfucker keep watching and I address all of your points I'm not gonna do a video and just like half-ass it like check my sources. Check what I say That's the most frustrating thing. I I would rather them like Misattribute a policy position to me then say that I didn't say something when I clearly did say something or vice versa I just I hate people like that and it's so common now. It's so common But I guess it's par for the course when you're on on the internet. I don't know That is the way of the internet.  No, sir I'll do it. Let me just give them what they want. Okay you a couple of out-of-context. Okay.  Okay, do what you will with that Get into it this evening, shall we So our first question I know is gonna be about the Donald Trump cards We're gonna wait on that till Matt gets in if I'm correct if that's what we're doing tonight. Yeah Enthusiast okay cool beans. So then we'll hold off on that for right now. So hold those questions on Donald Trump I promise we will address them later Let's see here. So oh Man, all right. So questions are already coming in Okay, this is about I think another Streamer do we want to talk about other kind of people in our spaces or not? Oh So you just straight up with drama Yeah, let's let us court it like here to question if it's about other people like Whenever it's about another person and then might whatever that we might know let's vote on it.  I I don't I haven't seen it. So I don't I can't I don't know if he's done a video If he's been interviewed if he's debating someone from Prager you I have no idea Okay, I just got to give shout out to Winston Winston is always in my chat always bringing the drama up. This is what he does I have Winston he's one of my mods. He's one of my mods, too Shout out to Winston I Don't follow destiny at all. So I'm even oh, yeah, I'm not I'm not qualified either. I I think they're a streamer. Oh I know who does yeah. Yeah, I've battled with them. I don't know who they are But I don't follow.  Yeah, that's what I would guess about as good faith as good faith as I can be Okay, that's fair. Let's move on this one specifically is for a leg. This one's for you Okay Oh, I like it or not. We have a prison issue How do we simultaneously end incarceration and protect from the truly dangerous this question comes from roller dragon? I think the first thing you need to recognize is that the current system isn't there to protect from the truly dangerous or the dangerous at all I think that I think we have to like not work from that misconception because You know the question purports to believe that that's what our system is doing now And the system has no like no concern at all for danger safety or any of that as a profit system That's just based on incarcerated and using you know black and brown bodies for certain things and that's just a reality It's not we are okay all these different atrocities and things we ask about only when concerning that question is only now coming up And the safety element once we are talking about poor and black and brown people that are already being criminalized But we have no concern for who walks amongst us by the rich or the white or that whatever we know of all kind of Maffar crazy things and they just proceed to exist among us So I think that's the first thing we have to recognize is if we want and then I think the second thing I would work from is the majority of crime and what we think of as crime in our society is just not violent crime That's just not true violent crime or people that are just like deranged or what we sensationalize it to be in media That's not the case with the majority of things are in our system There are root causes that we as a society can address to avoid those things And so I would say the first thing we want to do is if we want to in any inquiry And I think this is a mistake sometimes our side of the aisle does is we will when we talk about crimes of poverty We talk about that we always want to exclude we're like oh non-violent, but not only non-violence not violence You know what I mean? We associate crimes of poverty to only be what we directly think of as wealth like are you stole some food you stole some This but violence is a product of poverty in your environment and all these different things and all these different responses and in any event Violence at the end of the day condemning violence is to stop it from reoccurring. That's what you need That's what we need to understand you can condemn violence all you want to your blue in the face But you have to contend with it and where it comes from in order to deal with it So I would say if we want to have a system that deals with the truly violent among us First of all, we have to recognize that we don't have such a system as it stands And we are starting from scratch and that and that analysis would have to begin with well Where is this violence coming from? Why are these people committing this and how do we address that? So that would be my answer Can I just ask it when you said that you know people on this side of the aisle are like a little scared to mention violent crimes and stuff like that Do you think that is because they're trying to win people over because it's I like the argument being if I'm talking to someone I'm like we should release all non-violent drug offenders from prison. They'd probably be like yeah, okay You know, yeah, I was like and also some of them within certain conditions based on the violence They've perpetrated they'd be like wait what you know I I think that I think there is a part of that right like because strategy obviously whenever you have like if what you're arguing for like Let me give you an example if I'm what I'm arguing for is bail reform And I happen to know that what the modest bail reform is that I'm trying to get you to support only happens to Cover these non-violent crimes it is misdemeanors I'm gonna emphasize it because I know that that's gonna be a winning point to you even though in my mind My heart of hearts, you know what I mean? It should expand to this, but I think there is a Section of us that don't bother ever to explore at all don't even bother to contend with the fact that Violence is also a product of these things I think we are we ourselves most of us and the analysis there because when you say it to people when they whenever they even talk about What they they'll talk about, you know abolishing oh People who are non-violent crime or whatever shouldn't be in in pre-trial detention or these these kinds of people crimes of poverty People steal food who steal this they make all these special caveats and stuff because they truly do have excluded anything They deem is heinous because they're so focused on what is your moral outrage and your response to whatever it is You think falls under this catch-all you don't bother to address the fact that it still comes from the same other place I get still you still have to address it in all of the same way So I think some of it is us try some of us, you know in the moments We're making the arguments that are best Appealable, but I also think it's for the most part We have it as a collective weighted into our conversation that violence is also a product of poverty and your environment Yeah, that is a very complete answer. I've got nothing to add to that. I'm right with you. Thank you Essentially Well, kind of I guess not prison system, but still kind of talking about it another question Is asking specifically about measure 114 in Oregon So the law claims that it's going to grant county sheriffs and police chiefs Discretion to determine who actually qualifies to purchase a firearm under a new permit to purchase program They did provide a link to an NPR article, which I'm going to throw into our little chat So if you guys want to pull that out reference it whatever whatever I'm gonna go ahead and give that to everyone as well I'll pull that up and When you do look at the article the way it's kind of it's titled is saying Oregon's LGBTQ Community worries that a new law will keep them from obtaining guns And so that's kind of our jumping off point here I'm Milirizing myself on the fly here. Yeah, no, no, you're the law measure 114 grants county sheriffs and police chiefs Discretion to determine who qualifies to purchase a firearm under a new permit to purchase program But measure 114 lacks criteria clearly defining what disqualifies applicants details on what makes someone to threat I want the data can be used for law enforcement and making a decision. Oh, yeah, this is horrifying already It's already got all the all the scary measures I mean, I think like I'm speaking and David you can that can lay you up here as the two Canadians on the panel and I will say this maybe as someone on the left. I'm not opposed to people owning firearms I'm not like no one should be able to never own a gun ever in the history of anything. No, that's not my position I think it's totally reasonable to because in Canada the system is you need a license in the same way You need a license to drive a car which makes sense the car can kill people You need a license to own a firearm and you take a two-day course we get gun safety training and like I think that's a totally reasonable approach I wouldn't want on the other end of that the police based on criteria that they have complete Unfettered control over to be able to determine who is and who is not allowed to own a gun that to me It's just it's just a scary environment to be inside. I Will say in Canada. They also do background checks of the point where they you have to put down on the paper when you're applying to get a license Who your Significant other is or your ex is and they they actually call them and see if you're someone who should be able to own a gun And that there's no threat there. So they go deep in and I think they should I if it as Lance said like it's Like a car like why should you be able to drive a car without a license?  Why should you be able to operate a firearm or own one without a license? It doesn't make any sense to me. So I just think it makes sense to really dive into Ensuring that you're a person that can't handle a weapon and aren't yeah, I think the law is obviously a bad idea for a million of the obvious Of the obvious reasons. I want to say in general the way our gun laws already set up is to Prevent other people's certain certain people from ever having guns is the reason why they have the kind of criminal possession gun Possession charges they have and they riddle the black and brown communities with that and they never there's reason why they have illegal weapons In the first place because the law is not permitting them to get it the legally way They were there already being denied permits and all these different things. So yeah, absolutely This is gonna be a further way to discriminate and I also want to say the police have no business being granted set authority I mean the police shouldn't kill that they admit to they shouldn't kill over 1,045 people each and every year in America So, you know what I mean?  We're all gonna be armed There's also what led to crackdown on on on gun laws in and of itself But to the response from the police to change their name to protect and serve and to paint this in this Dangerous violent way. It's always been The response of the police to to target anybody deemed as activists in general any level of public You know knowledge on that But if they deem you as being armed and yeah, they're gonna absolutely they're gonna try and prevent them From getting weapons also additionally Just having to apply for this and put yourself on the radar of the police like Put you also in a particular position, right? You you're giving them all of your information They know in the case of certain people in populations. Yeah, obviously harmful Yeah, so I live in Oregon and I think if I'm remembering correctly I voted affirmatively for this Um, I don't like the idea of police officers being able to determine who qualifies to purchase a gun Um, but the way that the law was sold to us was kind of like this is just More of a red flag program and this element from the law in particular if I'm remembering correctly like the wording on the ballot Was significantly downplayed like it was just more gun control, which I do believe is a good thing Like I'm kind of canadian in my orientation towards guns. I agree with like, you know lansing and david there Um, but in terms of like police officers who are Able to make that determination. Yeah, I don't trust cops and I don't trust that they are the best to judge people um Adequately, especially marginalized people who need firearms I was their campaigns Because I know there's like there's some bills that people suddenly vote for because they saw a lot of advertising and it was like Oh, it was worded to me. There was mostly right-wing campaigns. I haven't heard the counter arguments from leftists Um, so because all the sources I'm looking at they are from pro lgbtq plus Uh criticism and and the civil rights criticism where it's like, uh, Widely documented abuse amongst law enforcement to abuser power when restricting firearms to citizens This says historically obviously targeted black communities and queer communities, blah, blah, blah, especially queer communities of color, etc Um Like it seems like something maybe that they wouldn't have probably put in maybe just wasn't in the writing Like I don't know what the ballot measure looked like for you. Yeah, I have the book I need to go back and look um because you know how they have like the arguments for and against and whatnot um, I don't really I don't really remember but um Yeah, if framed that way if I would have heard the arguments, I probably would have rethought it But it's been a while. So I I'm curious now to look it up But I'm a little bit worried based on like the arguments.  What white america continues to do is the gun control are just more laws Laws that lead to the further criminalization of black people and doesn't actually deal with the larger gun issues and the issues and the shootings And the masses and everything that you're responding to in and of itself All you end up doing is preventing exact same populations from ever being able to legally acquire something something they need Obviously, they should have the same right to bear arms the same right to self-defense Especially when you live in communities in and of itself where you have more of a reason to need to protect yourself Especially when you're heavily policed by a militarized police state And then you can never have access to these and they just continue to pass more more laws as a form of gun control That only criminalize you because the end of today is like yeah, I support it in theory Yeah, like in not this law, but in general I believe that america america has a gun problem I believe this country is way too goddamn trigger happy gun should not be what it is I don't believe that everybody and they mama need a gun and all the guns there There's nothing the second amendment and I could I'll spare y'all the actual legal diet tribe if anybody wants that in the comments one of these days on what the second amendment actually Like we could go the constitutional interpretation of that and how in no fucking way Like it actually could be read out of existence because it ain't like it says, you know You have the right to have guns forever It says in order to you know form a more perfect militia blah blah blah It's based on a whole bunch of circumstances of then times Why is a white militia by the way is historically they were talking about a white militia Right, and they're also talking about They're also talking about a time in american history that does not resemble the way that our country is currently set up in terms of regular people Localled whatever needing these right to bear arms because they are the people that are going and defending these towns and x y z So it's a whole bunch of shit You could technically read that right out of out of existence if you actually wanted to go to the originalism Approach, but that's another conversation But what I'm saying is as it as it currently stands We are not we are not extending that right to black and brown people while we continue to sensationalize And pump and fuel guns all and all all around the place and the only gun control we pass are just more criminal laws designed that Uh at punishing restrict because that's what it'll be even if initially you think oh, it's just a red flag law It's just a system. It's just a check right that prevents certain people from getting guns But what happens when people need guns when they feel like they need them or they feel like they should have this right to Self-defense or they live in communities where they do need that kind of protection They're going to go and get them Anyway, right?  So that's my Diet tribe. Yeah, I mean My views on this have certainly evolved over the years because I like if I could then oh snap all guns out of Existence I would do that but unfortunately that's not the reality that we're living in so Trying to navigate the reality of the world I think that there are things that you can do to reduce gun violence in particular like Australia had a really good model To wear in 1996 after they had a mass shooting They had a robust gun reform plan and they had like a gun buyback program So trying to reduce the existence of so many guns. I think it's an important priority But yeah to all amy's point Um, I think it is important that people who are marginalized who won't be protected from cops Arm themselves and my stance has always been a little bit more liberal in my orientation towards guns in the past But as I see like more LGBTQ plus events be targeted by patriot front and proud boys And then you see the response from like vets for equality show up armed and anti fascists Um, I think it's becoming abundantly clear that you can't like you can't show up to a gunfight Empty handed like not that I'm saying I'm encouraging the fights back and forth But I'm just saying like there needs to be protections And so like I'm not against gun ownership for sure like there's reform to take but like in terms of this particular law Um, yeah, I I wouldn't support it now if I could go back But then again, I have to look at how I voted and specifically what I read about it because on that one It seems pretty clear and I just read like through the little book So now I'll have to do some research afterwards and I'll report back um next week if we can remember Did they suspended math? On twitter did y'all know this? I was gonna say one one did they really news David Dole's power just cut out to anyone who's watching Or if you're still able to watch on David Dole's youtube. No, you can't. Okay. Well, David Dole's power just cut out He lost power. Oh, no, and apparently bender lost his or suspended twitter account. That's the only thing I saw Yeah I saw someone say it in the stream and I was I thought they were just talking and I went and It's true.  It is getting real. What's ramped up charge? What's ramped up charge? Uh, I take your pick. He tweeted so many bangers yesterday I re-tweeted a handful of them, but I mean some of them are still in my cash Um, basically just the hypocrisy that like, you know how much elan musk is flailing right now in public and You know in every possible way, um, just consistently quote tweeting screen grabbing like clowning on him Uh, which one is still up? Yeah, remember elan musk's first twitter file is the one about twitter blocking links to the new york post hunter biden story Elan musk is using the same thing to block links links to elan jet and other platforms right now the exact same thing Oh, welcome back Hey, sorry the power went out. That's There's a snow storm right now.  I am very upset for bender. He doesn't get it back. Is how long is the suspension? It's not suspended. So Is it temporary? And by the way, elan musk is suing elan jet too It's crazy.  What are you gonna do about it? Who cares?    I was like fair Earned, you know what I mean?   They blew doing life in real life. Yeah Like I saw that that was so funny Like out of out of dave chappelle show So it's not like you know what I mean?  Yeah, he lost the normies That's that's what that showed me when I when I saw that and then Afterwards being like, uh, there was actually 90% cheers 10% food and then a fight broke out You see it was a fight in the audience. That's that's why they were booing and then he deleted both It was all on camera and then you could see the fight happen and the fight was when dave chappelle was talking And it was like not even related to like what what happened with him. It was the whole it's so embarrassing He's so goddamn embarrassing. Ilan musk is it's insane. Well, every time I think he's peaked for us. He keeps growing Sorry blare He's he's the hello like what is it? How do you do fellow youths kind of guy? Oh 100% There was this article from NBC news They spoke to three people who were there who booed Dave chappelle and two of them specifically said that they booed because they didn't like what he was doing with twitter And another person said that they booed Because they didn't like how ilan musk has been firing twitter employees Um, if I'm remembering correctly, it's been a couple of days. So like these aren't woke leftists These are just straight up his tribe. They're normies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're the normies. So Yeah, I love how dave chappelle too was trying to um I don't know if you guys know whatever you're texting is popping up on your screens. Oh, yeah Oh, okay. Yeah, I was I was Like don't say anything spicy Oh in this chat the one we have Yeah, you see it on your face. It like it puts it onto your face. Oh Let me I'll show you I'll test it. Let me see That's actually hilarious. I did not know that. Oh bender is here. He can tell us about the best.    What happened your band? I just got better from twitter Okay, so my power went out. So I missed that conversation That's insane He's purging everyone who um, who's ever spoken about who who covers him. They uh, they've removed donnie from cnn ryan mack from the new york times drew hardwell from uh, the washington post There's a whole list of people who he's suspending and it's every Is the elon must beat at various publications. I'm I'm bad, baby. Wow.  That's what it says. Uh, I try to refresh twitter There's a little message that says, um, the weird thing is I'm I'm able to get in Um to see my feet. I just can't see any mess.  I'm so sorry Yeah, I was so close to a hundred thousand followers too. I was like just a few thousand followers away I'm really upset for you. I'm like, I'm really upset. Like that's really fucked. Yeah, Hasan just tweeted about your ban Yeah, well On sam cedar is messaging me a whole bunch of people are messaging me right now. I'm like, uh That's this is breaking news folks. Sorry. We haven't had our first breaking news moment on the internet We didn't see that that erin rupar was also banned. He's a guy that posts a lot of clips Him too rupar was banned. Um, see here's the thing. I could see my live twitter feed like the people I follow I can't see my own posts. How weird is that?   Like there's no reason.  I didn't even I didn't even post any links to I'm feeling wildly litigious I'm like What like bring back the storm front guy, but band mat got it Yeah, I didn't post any any location data. I didn't share the links to any of those sites I I followed the rules. All I did was criticize him. Like he said was fine. What was the reason for the ban? What did they give you? They don't tell me nothing yet. I didn't even get an email It just says I've been when I try to when I try to log in I basically get a message that says your account is suspended and is not permitted to perform this action Like when I try to refresh or whatever But I could see my feed of people who I follow Elan russian. That's what I had go Tonight to block you personally Someone in my chat tony saying uh donnie oceleven as well. He's isn't he that cnn guy that interviews like Taylor Lorenz tweets just disappeared.   They're gonna be gone.   That's no reason.   That's it's just that's the real world That's what we live in that's what his phc thesis and he's like ads because he's a groomer Now that person got so much death threats and hate that they had to move like he has he has the power to Warm people if he wants to his political enemies his business enemies anything he wants It's it's it's a boy with a toy and he's playing with this toy like he would expect a dictator to right now Except it has the power to destabilize countries and do revolutions We have a billionaire evil dictator who has the power to do that kind of stuff As much as he's just like losing all that money like that's 44 billion. Oh, yeah I mean he it was already worth like, you know not even half that at this point But now you're really killing the plot like this point.  Why are advertisers going to stay? Why is anyone going to stay that that's relevant? Yeah, did you see that he actually personally calls chief executives if they suspend advertising to like berate them?   I'd rather honestly twitter just completely go the way of the doto at this point Based on how he's seen it like like I use twitter. I like twitter. I use it for my show like david also but I mean at this point it just It's so bad and I kind of wanted to go down just as a fuck you to elan musk too yeah By the way, I just I just want to point out when matt bender went on tim pool's show He was debating an argument with tim pool and at one point tim pool brings up this whole free speech argument And then matt bender was like, well, yeah, I sometimes feel that republicans just want to say the n word and tim pool's like No, we don't As soon as baked Alaska was allowed back on the platform one of the first things he did was post a poll Should I say the n word yes or no and obviously his audience was like, yes And then he got roasted like nonetheless because he was like spewing a whole bunch of anti-semitic nonsense at the same time So matt I'm glad you got proven right in in real time with one of one of tim's friends Yeah, it's tim pool now gonna say that it's a right wing Outlet because that's what his argument was his arguments were the opposite before there was like a pro leftist Like the to s is baked in because misgender and is considered hate speech and since Right wingers don't accept the identity or the legitimacy of trans people Then that's inherently biased against conservatives when it's like they have religious protections too and whatnot But is is tim pool gonna come out and say that it's now officially biased against the left because it's very clearly More biased than it ever has been Well, no, I mean It's so ridiculous that uh, this is going on right now I mean, what is going to be the response like how do you like what like just It's not even like, uh, you know It's not even well planned out. They're literally just knocking out every journalist who dared to criticize musk. Yeah, um Like I I don't I can't remember if I've said it on this show or if I'm texting people this But I never shared the elan jet uh links. I never shared a location info. I just criticized him for banning the account Uh, because it was posting basically public information Um, and that's it. I mean I I always made sure that I followed the terms of service and the rules Whether it was old twitter new twitter, uh, you know, I can't retroactively go back like elan musk wanted elan jet to do Uh, you know follow rules that weren't even made yet But I bet if you even looked at all my old tweets if you could find them nothing ever broke any Any policy past present or future? Yeah, you don't even curse on twitter mat Like I rarely even see you curse like there's nothing there's no there there. How can he get you? It's just it's straight up just pettiness It doesn't tell you like why you're banned or like what offending tweets or whatever It doesn't say nothing. I didn't even get an email.  I want to say all of us, but I don't want to put my my twitter account on on notice with I'm not gonna take it so smooth if you If you take my Real smooth I will come on here like franklin and season five carrying the The thing I I I should have spent more time on other accounts.  I guess I gotta start Yeah, I honestly you can honestly just like twitter honestly to be fair. I mean you That was me too Oh mastodon was banned too by the way a competitor to twitter. I don't know why though Like a link to the like their account or a link to their the official mastodon twitter account They were banned. Yeah, they were banned Yes, they shared the elan jet. How could anyone the link to elan jet in competition?   I shared the um for all man I shared that post that donnie posted from cnn before he got banned. Did you guys see that? No, no, okay, so Uh, donnie from cnn donnie oceleven. He covers like, you know, the right and he died Really is on the street at the trump rallies and stuff Uh, he reached out to the la pd and they got and they gave him a statement on the musk incident La pd's threat management and remember elan must said he was accosted. His car was accosted He blamed jack sweeney's um elan jet account which tracked his private jet and Um, you know and he said that his car was attacked with his kid in it or whatever And the la pd said la pd's threat management unit is aware of the situation and tweet by elan musk And is in contact with his representatives and security team. No crime reports have been filed yet So there was no police report. I mean I don't yeah, I don't know how rich people do it, uh, but um You know as he said he was gonna take legal action against jack sweeney the the 20 year old who's running that elan jet account on other platforms But how are you gonna you didn't mean to file a police report? No judge is gonna They're gonna think it didn't happen. You got to file at the very least. You got to file their police reports You have the paper trail He's not doing it because he doesn't intend to do anything other than give his little people on the internet Something to suggest that there's something real or he's the one that's really in danger That's how he's trying to switch the narrative because he's in trouble because he's literally attacking trans people and all this So that's how he tries to re victimize himself.   I got one. He looks like the stock photo that is used in the tinder ads for the swipe left part All right, well, um I gotta say it's a good list. It's a good list to be on Don uh, Donnie O'Sullivan Ryan Mack. Yeah, uh, Drew Harwell, uh, Micah Flea from intercept Like Request to come on like I could see cnn like contacting you.  There's like multiple of us streaming on twitch and yeah I mean, I mean I I didn't but like I wish I had an interesting story I wish I had an interesting story other than I've been critical of musks for for a long time I mean people don't people don't realize I don't think people know this story because I've been I've been tweeting a lot about nexium lately because of people like, um James Lindsay who's apparently very close with nexium's nicky kline who helped groom women for um for Keith Reneary the convicted uh sex trafficker who ran the nexium uh grooming sex cult And people don't know this story really. I don't think but in 2018 Elon musk was going goo goo gaga over to this website called the knife of Aristotle Uh saying how this is how you know, this website is how you know, he said it inspired him that he should get Or you know start his own media organization organization because this is how like the news should be done or whatever I don't remember exactly what it says, but he was like thinking it was a great website Turns out that the knife of Aristotle Was a propaganda outlet for nexium It was run by members of nexium so they could control the narrative and fight back about bad Bad press about their sex cult. This is before Keith Reneary went to jail.   I'm sure he'll say all that stuff was planted by the fbi next See, I didn't even know about that. I thought that the jizz lane picture was incriminating enough And the accusations of other people being pedophiles was incriminating enough But one thing that's ironic about all this is last week He tweeted the follow the rabbit which is essentially a QAnon rallying cry And then people on QAnon messaging boards were ecstatic that Elon musk might be one of them And it's so bizarre to consider like this group Who thinks that there's this elitist cabal of pedophiles who's drinking the blood of children Is ecstatic that elon musk Pictured with jizz lane maxwell is now one of them Like he's the person who you should be suspicious of right?  I still understand it like Freaks love him and that says a lot about him.  So I mean uh instagram.com slash matt bender Uh, I don't know what else to Uh promote really those oh, uh, I guess the newsletter um And I have a sub stack at misinfo.substack.com like misinfo has a misinformation. M-i-s-i-n-f-o Um Subscribe there. Um Yeah, I mean I guess we'll see what happens.  That's what I'll be like.  We'll make it a mic and matt account. I'll just give you the password And you'll be suspended immediately. Yeah, that's never true It's bad Well, it'll be like one of those couple facebook accounts, but instead just like Two people just like no matt's back. I hope you got your account back.  I know that's so fucked up I'm genuinely disappointed I'm like sick for you like the the work that goes into building a platform and we are around the same amount of followers So I understand I feel deeply Organically with no bots or anything. I mean, I think Like people who track social media they value that it's like it's like that's almost worth like 90k or something to have an account That's because you have the ability to Spread information on a very large platform. Yeah. Yeah.  I mean, hey, how many how many how many lefties does he uh How many lefties does he have on the show? I mean it shows that I'm one of the few who reach out and contact and interact And I'm totally open to talking with people. That's what elan musk wanted right free speech. Hell I even said I even said I agree with uh, the idea that people shouldn't be permanently banned. I believe everyone should have like a Uh, you know a matter of time and then be brought back and if they break the rules again then ban them again I also agreed with people with his idea that people should know Whatever filter or shadow banning they have on their account so they could fix it and stop tweeting in a certain way If it's breaking the rules or whatever But the fact of the matter is those are the only good ideas he had The rest of everything the rest of everything he wanted to do sucks And um, you know if this is what he wants. I mean I can't imagine Um, you know, I think this is a this is a major Step in people uh changing their mind about this platform. I'm not saying because of me I mean the aggregate of it and I'm sure there's still people being banned I mean what everyone who dares to report on or criticize elan musk even if they're following twitter policy gets banned I mean How does that work the whole point of twitter is that it's a politics and news media outlet more so than any other social media platform Um, without that this this platform dies like that's the whole point of it. That's the whole point of it People could go on facebook and instagram to do entertainment and post pictures and video Uh, you know, that's what those sites are for honestly Let the record reflect that tim pool is this week's white person y'all are discussing that I do not know I just I just Wanted to add him to that's gonna be a uh a current he's known as the beanie man Some say he's more beanie than man. We don't know if the beanie's become sentient or if it controls or poisons his mind There's theories that perhaps it's actually like he's like superman in that instead of wearing like a costume He has beanies. He only wears a black beanie in everything. He will see him do I don't know if he showers in the beanie. I don't know if he poops with the beanie. We don't know Was he born with the beanie? Was he born with the beanie? We may never know, you know, it's it's a tough thing But uh, that's that's always easy to remember.   I don't know but he's a centrist though. Remember. He's a centrist Then consider it. Yes. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, I grow wary. I grow wary. Yeah Yeah, I feel almost guilty introducing you to all these folks I don't know how you've avoided this for so long. I really I it's unbelievable how often I don't know who y'all talking about Either dude though that like did that kind of uh Like a music video song that was reminiscent of like creed from the year 2000 Oh, right. He's got he's got two now two. Oh, that's what I know about technically three He's got the animated one. I did say now now now. I know enough Yeah, that's I know enough to understand it when embarrassments should befall us I think we can play a song, right? It's not that's that's an embarrassment to creed if we're being completely fair And I'm not saying something. All right. I'm not a not a fan of creed or anything the creed does But like this is this is very it's like I called it rage with the machine because it is very like, you know They are working against us, but we have pulled the structures of power like shit like that It's it's negative punk rock, you know, it's to the opposite of anyone rebelling. It's like conformity My one of my one of my high school and college ex-boyfriend's favorite band was creed and uh, I I as I just wanted to uh Express express the shames that I am living with just by having been adjacent to And I will not take any any follow-up questions or inferences that you make about that information you you leave that there Just to update, uh, Keith oberman's also been banned now He was also apparently very critical of Elon musk on twitter, so that appears to be the reason So what a soft bitch Just gotta say. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, but seriously, it's like he's like trump with the power of twitter Like that's this is what trump would do with a trump control twitter I'm like so when so so about this this banning thing this song because because I talked to him like If he didn't get to me like two days ago viral video, I'm good. Am I in the clear like I just want to know Like you know what I mean? I'm like, oh Okay, I do have some uh breaking news glenn greenwald is responding to all of the bands at least to erin rupar But this is the broader way. Um, let's see. So before I do do we want to take any guesses? Is he gonna be pro-free? Oh, of course How do you all think he's gonna someone someone ask someone ask uh glenn greenwald How he feels about me getting suspended someone who uh worked with his good buddy michael brooks Who when he listened to the majority poor glenn greenwald said to sam cedar apparently that it's that he's uh, you know He loves hearing michael and matt because he thinks they're uh, you know, they do a great job Ask him how he feels about me. Uh, I know he's not a fan of mine anymore But he used to think highly of me and I used to think highly of him too actually Yeah, I my my vote is going to be squarely in that he's going to mock the people who got kicked off because that's what he does He's going to make fun of them in their own words. That's what that's what he always does with the He's he's he's tipped the his hat to me before because he says how it's how I engage with people because he saw me debating michael tracy tim pool and he says, you know kudos to matt for engaging I mean, what is he gonna say? I would love to know love to know what he thinks about uh, Yeah, but pull it up. Well, this this isn't about this is about erin rupar not necessarily you but just in general the bands So he says what happened to? Private companies have the right to disassociate themselves from anyone they want Have you ever heard of the terms of service? If you don't like how twitter does content moderations start your own social media site Remember all these arguments. That's his response What terms were broken? That's my response.   Come on He needs to just put in the to s classroom. You know making fun of um Of ilan musk just put it in the to s Sorry, we just got a huge raid from uh from tyt. So I was just saying thank you for the raid and also We have the most banned person on the internet right now matt bender here Yeah, well bad too hot for silence.  They have truth social.   Yeah Yeah, yeah, because every single right wing alternative has essentially failed.  Uh parlor is also terrible. By the way, if you haven't tried it, uh locals is so exclusive Like I they made me wait a year and then Dave Rubin canceled my locals account It was brutal. Yeah, he made me wait a year. It was called debate sam cedar u cower dot locals dot com And it said like pending approval for a full year and then just deleted it. I don't know why but Yeah, so we know why lance.   I was in here to strut.  Honestly, I didn't see you talk about him worse than like other people And you you were on fire last couple days. I'll just say that like just tweet after tweet after tweet It was like he would do something that then you just like point out the hypocrisy I I didn't I didn't even share the elon jet stuff. Like I said everything. I've criticized him. I've uh wrote I was just on a uh a foreign news program Turkey a turkish program and they asked me about the twitter files and I said what I thought how it was being presented as You know very biased and it wasn't we're not seeing the raw data. We're not seeing the raw stuff It's being there's a sort of matter of being pushed But then they even but then they were really trying to push like a pro elon musk thing And they asked me what I thought about elon musk's decision to uh where he said people should be able to see if they have ghost ban or Uh trends blacklist and stuff like that.  Absolutely Where might go Blair questioner. I'm here. I got you. Okay. Well now that matt is here Let's just keep that focus going Um, it's time to talk about the donald trump cards if you don't mind walking us through that story Trump nfts matt, that's all you. Oh me. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry Hey, wait, wait before you start matt I want to ask you what did you think the day before when you saw the whole like animated thing with trump? But it's like flop sheer and you know and like all the cats jump and all that stuff like what did you think? What did you think the announcement was? Oh, I I actually um, I saw someone Speculate nfts. I don't remember who I was just scrolling and I actually I actually thought that the nfts already dropped the other day Because I saw that tweet and I don't really check what donald trump does anymore for the most part on So when I saw that I was like, oh, okay, um because I wasn't too surprising to me because I knew that um Uh, you know malania had dabbled in nfts and there were other Donald trump, uh crypto projects that were unofficial like non licensed And uh, you know, uh don jr. Had reached out to them to like work things out or something I don't know exactly what came of that. Um, but uh When I saw it drop today, I was a little bit surprised because I didn't realize that uh that it wasn't already done And then once I looked more into it.  That's true That's true Yeah, that's true. Um, so yeah, donald trump had a major announcement He said the other day and that major announcement was an nft project His followers and supporters are really not happy actually. It's very interesting to see this is really the first time I've seen it at this level Um, where they're really upset with him because they were expecting something big Like you should see some of the replies to him on truth social It's like, how could you do this to us? We're fighting a very serious war and for you to drop trading cards right now It's very unserious You're trying to like voice this pleasure at him in the nicest way possible. Yeah. Um, some people Uh, bake the laska who's back on twitter bake the laska's on twitter. Uh, and I'm not Bake the laska who's back on twitter He tweeted out.  Oh, okay That that yeah Yeah, do we want to take turns? Sharing our favorite trump nft because mine is the one with him blasting off into space And the reason why that's my favorite one is because he says that these are based off of his life and career So I really do appreciate him. You know, um Minting that in an nft when he blasted off into space. That was that was really great Yeah, I guess I forgot when he did that I have to look at them again to find a favorite I remember the golf one the cowboy one the cowboy one's pretty funny the football one There's him as a professional race car driver, which is a banger. That's right. Nascar. They're all very flattering. Yeah In terms of the proportions Yeah, one of him he has just a completely different body and they're using the head If you were to google like trump head transparent, like they just copy pasted that onto a cartoon body That's very very different than trumps. Okay. I haven't seen these. Let me google They're really good But if if you buy 45 of them Then you get to have dinner with trump at a which I assume would be a giant bank with like a donor Basically, which would cost about four thousand five hundred dollars to buy 40 45 of those McDonald's does not cost that much He's selling 45,000 45,000 NFTs for a hundred dollars a piece They claim that they won't copy the same one more than 20 times So I'm not sure how the math works out But that that turns out to be a lot of different versions of trump in I'm getting I'm getting lots of email records So I'll be here on stream You're having a commodity right now Yeah Before before I react what your fame before I react.  Yeah, that's a hundred dollars. He's even in a video. Actually, you know, you have three so that's 300 dollars You're holding 300 dollars with a value. Yeah He's even in a video that like talking like selling them like like infomercial. It's so it's embarrassing like that he would do that Did you see the moment in that video where he goes off script temporarily because he's he's like Reacting and finding out in real time that one of the prizes because when you when you purchase an nft You're automatically entered into a sweepstakes, but one of the prizes was dinner with him and he's like, okay I guess that's a great prize.   Would that not be like Okay, no, actually as I'm convincing myself as I think it through it would either be the worst thing ever or the best thing ever Just in terms of like entertainment value You could turn it into content. That's for sure. That's true That's true People in my chat are saying Matt Binder is trending on twitter right now matt Enjoy it into the galaxy Yeah Patreon.com That would be totally worth it if all of a sudden I got to uh do this full time honestly, so please Do it full time on my terms. I should say obviously. I'm a full-time journalist, but the dream is to do it my way uh, I'll uh I'll uh, you know, um Yeah, you know all the other wonderful journalists who are able to uh Yeah, so uh, yeah, uh, oh this may be one up there with guys for you actually. Yeah, hopefully hopefully Patreon.com slash matt binder. I mean I was I was I was I'm working on a number of things that I don't even know if I was going to be able to publish via You know my usual outlet I was looking into the various ties between right wingers and nexium, which there's a lot You'd be very surprised and surprised. This isn't already a piece that people have already looked into um, yeah, there's uh Yeah, I don't see the screenshot. I don't see the trending thing. So if you could take a screenshot of that um Yeah, uh, so Yeah, uh, I don't know what else to say We're gonna go like when twitter collapses. What's happening? I know. I don't know where the the meetup is gonna be honestly Wait, what? Yeah, I'm made up like when twitter collapses. Where do you go after twitter? Yeah, do we all just disperse? Like what happens? Where do we what do we meet? Instagram, I'm on instagram Yeah, yeah, but you can't it's not good for like feed and like news gathering and I don't know Because you have to post a picture, right? You can't just post post text. I don't really use instagram that much You can post. I mean you could post text in an image That's true. That's a good point. Yeah I post like some like tweets on there. I post my videos I do a lot of I mean y'all do a lot of video content too, obviously So, you know, I find that it's actually like better in that sense than twitter is because I have a million videos on twitter But you miss it. You don't know what to type in, you know what I mean? It's good. So instagram I like getting that respect, but I haven't created a mastodon and honestly, I don't think I I don't really I don't feel Appeals to everybody keeps telling me to join it But all I see is you know moderator issues. Honestly, it's a congregation of the nerds To be honest, like I'm not on twitter purely to air here just from awesome like a little nerd echo chamber with bad moderation Like I'm not I'm not feeling that like I like I I'm a strong believer that black twitter is the backbone of twitter um That's what makes a pipe for me and that's not on mastodon.  This was like a month ago the night when we all thought that twitter was going to collapse um When the offices were shut and so I don't I don't even know how to get in the barrier to entry seems kind of like High comparatively speaking Um, and then we can't really migrate to tiktok because it seems like that's going to go the way of the dodo Based on how things are going currently and I mean, I am on tiktok But there's just no alternative to twitter in my opinion at least that's like I don't think so either That's competitive. Yeah, I just once that goes then that whole ecosystem that community like it just disperses It's not like like when dig Like died everyone had read it to go to but like what's what's the next twitter?  Yeah twitter.  Um, but that being said Yeah, I think if I if I think if I use it purely if I thought of it like my media commentator head on it or whatever I would have a different position and like okay leave twitter our principal is in the next day But I think a bit more from the perspective of an organizer an activist or an advocate And I think of what I've been able to do with twitter Uh just in terms of actual bail reform criminal justice issues winning cases getting you know people out of jail It's just it's um, it's incomparable with like what I've tangibly tangibly been able to do and so for me I guess I'm like elon elon musk to me is um A billionaire white supremacist fool and that is pretty much what the police are and everybody else that I take on in life Right in court and all these different ways on my mind.  I hope I hope that don't happen. I will be sick But um, nonetheless, I'm I'm I'm gonna ride it out.  You know, I So, you know That's we're not Yeah, it's it's like I I There's so much that I hate about twitter too. I agree It's it's a miserable app people are terrible on there, but it is really an important utility like when you think about in in countries like Really conservative areas in the world like this is how they've been able to Create lgbtq plus movements in you know countries where that's criminalized and how they stage, you know protests and whatnot It's been a vital tool. So to have that go away all because of this arrogant billionaire It's sad and really it scares me because like what's stopping another billionaire from buying a different platform and doing the same thing like what happens if Jeff Bezos wants to buy youtube. We're all fucked.     I'm I'm name searching you matt if it can load All right. Yep. You're in here. I'm getting like press requests from tons of outlets matt bender Yeah, ride the train matt Yeah, this is great It you have to throw in there matt it happened when I was on the leftist mafia, which I am on every thursday at 5 30 pm pst Maybe the you know the rising tide lifts all boats. That's how that's how valuable you are right now your internet currency All this exploiting you simultaneously by matt bender stock now Rising it's a great long-term investment better than tesla. Yes True Oh matt, you know about that so he sold what three billion dollars worth of shares and what is tesla at now Like he's lost all the gains he made this year, hasn't he?   I really don't know another way to say it. It's really just really crazy. It's really wild It is simply free speech for thee.  Everybody Get themselves the main character people Everyone to talk about you you got it And because and if you start picking and cherry picking who you're gonna block for it now people say, oh That's who did it. That's who did it the baddest Oh, I wasn't I got to go harder next time because that's what I heard like in my mind And I was like and I took that personally Yeah, and whatever like I know he's a hypocrite now But remember when he said he was gonna be super transparent and put the entire twitter algorithm on github So that way you can see the way that they make these decisions and why they're banning people And it's just everything that he said he's doing the opposite But the right is super ecstatic because like they're racist bodies get to come back And now they can do polls saying should I say the n word or not like bake the last guy is doing it's just Yeah, he said back in april that I hope that even my worst critics remain on twitter because that is what free speech means Wow, that aged like milk.   Thank you. Yeah, this is really good Y'all are the real jerks.  That's that's hilarious Wow, this is a giant page.  Well, he was supposed to have a colony on mars by this point. I think Look, he was playing the game surviving mars got a little too into it That's all that happened there. Okay That's so true All right, well I can change the topic if y'all want we have a ton of questions. Um, okay So people are asking about Um, do you think trump is even going to make it to the primaries? He seems so deflated The hopefully I'm your favorite president statements, etc. Etc. That he just knows he doesn't have a grip on the republican party anymore I think he will make it as long as he Is legally able to make it Absolutely, he's Yeah, and then he'll go even if he goes down He will somehow find a way to blame, you know a rig system. I don't know something But I tend to think he's actually once he starts talking and there's an actual Fight between him and disantis assuming disantis is running. Um, trump has more Stronger charisma than disantis does and I think that is why he's been around this long. He is essentially a right-wing comedian I mean, he has the ability to perform in a way that no one else on that side does So even though disantis right now leading in all these polls I covered this today doing very well And it's looking like all the all the momentum is with disantis that Can easily change once there's actual, you know, an actual fight between the two happening and trump, you know I assume would pull out something better than whatever he called him last time ron desanctimonious The absolute worst name he's used for anybody But um Hasan actually has a grip like he says that trump should call him ronda Like ronda in from from florida, which I think is brilliant. Like yeah, call him ronda like just, you know demasculate him Yeah, and you know aside loves they'll love the homophobia. They'll definitely lean into that. That'll that'll work for them, you know I I agree david. I I think The thing about trump. I think at a at a certain point I I thought there was a chance trump would be would deflate maybe because originally I don't think trump ever when he first ever ran for president I don't think he intended to be president or thought he would make it as far as he did I think he was a issue candidate or whatever. I think he was surprised to see his bullshit galvanized people the way it did but I think Did y'all watch house of dragons Not yet Okay, when old boy gets crowned, um, um, even though he was like I should not be I should not be no way I am afraid but then the minute they actually crown him. He's a Put the sword up.  I could see I could see um Republicans getting regalvanized around trump and his bullshit over over the santas But I do think if they're actually smart, it would be bad for us But I think if they actually want the true evil that they want to see happen I think they should go with their boy the santas. I don't want that. He also has a better shot at At beating biden I mean there's recent polling on that but even apart from that the santas has essentially a clean slate nationally to work with Like people in florida, of course know who he is but outside of that unless you're Falling politics, you don't really know who the santas is. So he's the ability to frame the message about around who he is Meanwhile trump people already have a built-in Feeling about trump and they're not like they're like they're not going to change either way So trump I think has zero shot at winning again Um, the santas absolutely could win if he is the nominee. I think so too I just kind of feel though that like if you're at the point where you're fleecing what remains of your loyalists for nfts I mean trump selling nfts to me kind of feels as if he's trying to get that demographic of like old Old people who like think they're like grandchildren will love the fact that they got into crypto somehow Like look, I got you that thing you keep talking about it's an nft I got the blockchain and it's like grandma.  Why are you like slinging nfts? This is not like presidential. It's like it's really sad That's hilarious.  I think There you go. I told you. Yeah, you are I've got the article here tweeter suspends several high-profile journalists Thursday evening who have been covering the company at Elan musk the suspension come a day after twitter changes its policies around the accounts that track private jets Including one owned by elan the accounts of ryan mack at the new york times danio sullivan of cnn jew harwell of the washington post matt binder of mashable Hell, yeah You can leave the intercept an independent journalist erin rubar keith over in tony webster Holy shit. We're all suspended on thursday evening including rastadon.   Yes patreon.com slash map bender a few people have subscribed for sure. Thank you so much everybody um, yeah, um Just follow me everywhere so I can because listen if I had Um, youtube is basically the closest thing I have to to the following I had on twitter I have like about 26 000 subscribers on youtube. That's still only like 25 of what I had on twitter So just make it so I don't miss twitter at all Even if he even if he brings me back even if he decides to reverse his decision on all these accounts make it so I'm like Just another just another platform Yeah, he hasn't tweeted about this yet, which is very uncharacteristic That's because he did it directly. I bet He's guilty. I think this is this is also I think should be a lesson to us all to Myself included to not invest only in one platform and I think too much of us made that mistake And we're still making that a mistake even in the conversation we're having like, where are we all gonna go the one place?  Well, I wish I could see it That's not so fun It's weird because it's like I get oh I just got a message on my account uh that says hold on I just uh It says Your account is permanently suspended after careful review. We determined your account broke the twitter rules Your account is permanently in read-only mode, which means you can't tweet retweet or like content You won't be able to create new accounts if you think we got this wrong You can submit an appeal Y'all should jump him. I mean you should try anyways Y'all y'all gotta jump him permanently Listen, I I totally believe I totally believe that uh yilan musk has the right to uh run his little uh You know his little platform However, he'd like but if you post rules and those are the rules that tell people what they need to do And then those people follow those rules I mean you gotta at least introduce the new rules and say from this point on So whatever I did that broke the rules, please I will uh, I will immediately rectify the issue unless it's no longer talking about you, which then That's something I can't rectify.  I'm not coming back You can use this Historically told you why your band is like like when you get suspended it. They normally say I always see people I always see people for years get that the email saying this tweet broke the account and broke the rules Um, let me not like delete this account and you will be able to tweet again I mean delete this tweet and you'll be able to tweet again I never received one of those in the entire time. I've had but I've been on twitter since 2008 I've never once received a uh a infringement A policy break a temporary suspension a permanent suspension a any suspension None of my tweets ever caused any issues Um, because I've always just followed the rule. It's very you know, it's for me It's very simple because I just tweet about the news and sarcastically Uh knock people when I think they're wrong.  I've had this right winger in my dms threatening to uh Threaten to uh docks where my children go to school By the way, uh, I don't I don't ever go on record with that because I just find the best way to handle that She's just to ignore it honestly But I just wanted to bring it up now in terms of like How ironic it is that I literally had someone threatening my three and seven-year-old And uh, I get I get banned. Listen if someone did something horrible to elan musk kid. That's terrible I don't want anything to happen to anyone's children. I don't care how rich you are the kids are completely innocent Please I mean if anyone thought I was I mean that's just no one could possibly thought that from anything I was saying I just thought elan musk was being hypocritical with blaming this 20 year old kid jack swiney For just making an account that elan musk previously said was fine.    That's what I was commentating on Well, um to make this I guess really awkward because I'm not good at pivoting or transitions Um speaking of bands What about right wingers trying to ban tiktok apparently while we're on the topic of banning I didn't know that was a thing Are they trying are they trying to ban the app entirely or trying to like censor it or I believe the app is Someone in congress is trying to ban the app from united states citizens because it's okay if american companies Track your data, but not if chinese companies track your data Okay oligarchs are oligarchs billionaires billionaires. Yep At the end of the day somebody Somebody on twitter put it perfectly. Let me let me give them the credit for the sentiment because they're correct And i'm pretty much gonna paraphrase it because it it is what it is. Hold on. Um But I think up bang olivia juliana said um tiktok is where the overwhelming majority of young people get their information and political updates This tiktok ban has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with narrative control If privacy was really a problem, we'd talk about facebook having a monopoly To me, that's all there is. Yeah, I like that. She can't say it better I love her. I love her twitter. She's such a great person Yeah, from what I've seen Uh matt this question's for you if you if you have a moment to answer if not, I can go to a different question for now Okay, so it says, uh, please ask matt to discuss his impromptu interview with the young republicans from tuesday Oh my god, that was fantastic. Yes, that was I should do that. It's very good viewing Okay, so I had on michael edison hayden and hannah gays from the southern poverty law center on um on tuesday night on my show doomed at youtube.com slash matt binder go there and subscribe and excuse me and I had them on because they recently released a piece for uh splcs hate watch, uh, you know, they're the splcs like news website Um that basically ran down their personal experience attending the um new york young republican clubs annual gala Now you might have heard about this event if you know if you weren't paying attention to splcs very specific Like intricate reporting about very specific maybe lesser known white supremacists But you might have heard of it because it's the event where Marjorie taylor green was speaking and she said, uh, that if she was actually involved with planning The insurrection attempt on january 6th. They would have been armed. She said that at this event and then, um This is also an event where the big award of the night was given to bumble jack possobiak The pizza gate promoter and a friend of many white supremacists He was lied about his entire career. He's never worked for any of the mainstream news outlets He claims to have worked for um, and I just had them on to talk about that And I guess because they retweeted it and a lot of you know, the people who were attending were sort of monitoring what they were saying about it Um, they were in the live chat. Uh, ashley st. Clair Uh kashim the guy who used to work for breitbart uk who runs like the national pulse now I forget his name. Um A few other people And I was telling them, hey, if you want to if you want to talk to us right now I'm happy to talk with you guys. I'll bring you guys on the feed Just call in or DM me your skype names and none of them wanted to except for luchin wintrich Who is a uh, like a a board member of the new york city republican, uh, young republican club the new york young republican club And uh, this guy, nathan, I believe his name who was a vp Who's the vp of the new york young republican club? And so they called in we spoke with them And we went at it like it was it was crazy. It was like very heated It was uh, they wouldn't answer a lot of the questions, uh, directly. I had a very specific question for them.  Why was he there? And they said, you know, did you he asked did you invite him and they're like, no no no He paid for a ticket just like everybody else We can't control that so I said, okay Let's you know, and I don't think michael believed them but I said, okay, let's take it from there. Let's say that He did pay for a ticket. He paid the 400 dollar Particket early bird fee or the 800 dollar ticket for the regular fee or the vip whatever he paid He paid to go and you guys let anyone who pay for a ticket go. I that's fine. That's how you want to run your Shit, that's fine. But can you answer me this? What do you think some why do you think someone like peter brimlow Wanted to go to your event what what he made a Investment into attending this event. He lives in west virginia. He had to travel to get there He's laid down hundreds of dollars to go in What do you think someone like him gets out of that investment? What do you think he was hoping to get out of this? They couldn't answer the question They just were they they tried to get away from it as much as possible I mean, it's a very simple question to answer Uh, and they just couldn't handle it.  Like what is the criteria that why would you give me an award like They were members of that far right germany party who was an austrian That party in germany that just tried to do a coup that was all over the news that they arrested a bunch of their members because they were About to coup the uh, government of germany and they were there I mean, it was it was the devil's fascism.  That's not a household name. No one's like, oh, yes peter brimlow.  They used their real names They just the new york city young republican club new york young republican club didn't do any due diligence to check out Who these people were before letting them in they paid for their tickets when they were there They didn't lie about who they were they spoke to people and when asked who they were They truthfully and that's what reporters do if you're asked who you are you legitimately say I'm so and so from this outlet and that's what they did I mean, that's how they eventually got kicked out because they were being truthful with who they were Uh, no one like tracked them down like via facial recognition and figured out who they were They got outed because they were telling people who they were and people started to go to like the people in charge saying Hey, so and so is here. They just told me they're here. I mean, um, oh another major thing Like the op-ed section of news week was there And the op-ed editor, uh, josh or hammer or whatever his name is. I can't remember When uh, michael started talking to him michael said, oh, what do you think about peter brimlow being here and this guy? He's the op-ed editor of news week Goes, oh peter's here. Where is he? I want to say hello And then michael started asking him more questions about it And then he goes wait, who are you and then he says, oh, i'm michael hayden from uh, sudden poverty law center And then he goes, oh, I I don't want to talk with you anymore And he pretended not to care about uh, peter brimlow anymore This is the editor of news week if you're wondering why the op-ed section of news week looks the way it does now Because this is the guy accepting the pieces for news week Looking up to a white supremacist the white nationalist I I didn't know that that lucian guy that you were talking to uh got fired from drudge for that article about uh, Maybe that's not what got fired, but he had an article Fired from uh, I don't know about drudge, but lucian winter it went rich the guy who came on the the show One of the two guys he got fired from gateway pundit This is what was reported at the time. Oh, that's right. He got fired from gateway pundit Imagine getting fired from gateway pundit for something, but he got fired from gateway pundit For doing a podcast with nick fuentes Oh, I thought it was for the article about how antifa like super soldiers are going to behead white people I mean, maybe that was one of it too. Maybe the article I think that's what michael said Antifa super soldiers are going to behead white parents or something like that That's what that's what michael Said on the uh the podcast But then when I looked it up There was someone else who sourced the nick fuentes podcast episode that he did as the reason so maybe it was both Maybe it was none, uh, you know But the point is the guys did did both of those two things and then for some reason got fired From I mean to me the big deal is that he got fired from gateway pundit I mean if gateway pundit didn't fire him that still would have who cares the point is he Did that fake story about uh antifa super soldiers beheading parents and then also doing a podcast with nick fuentes All right, uh, let's let's go a little bit. Um Not so much a specific topic, but maybe more of an opinion piece of how we feel about things So, um, this question is As leftist content consumers, what can we do now that we're convinced socialism isn't a bad thing and is pretty based actually From everyone's perspective. How do we best organize as lefty content listeners? As listeners, I think I mean start with your workplace if like if you're I don't know I think unions are like an important piece of of power Because we have very little power individually, but collectively If you're able to work with your own workplace to Try and have a voice in that workplace Um, I would say start there. I know it's you know, it's not easy to start that but there are resources to help with that Uh That's kind of where my mind goes. Uh, if you have the time You know help on political campaigns ones that you really care about you think Even if you're not going to win maybe get These uh, these opinions out there these these positions out there and and trying to reach people That's another way. It also just helps with experience and kind of um, you know, you meet people in your own In that same mindset and you can grow from there. So there's there's opportunities, I think within workplace and within, you know, politics Um, I was going to quickly say uh and shout out to robert evans If you don't already know he's got a lot of really good podcasts about organizing. Um, He lays it out. He's like, there's a whole bunch of ways you can get involved get involved in your local community start with things like Look for organizations say food not bombs or pro lgbtq plus organizations or just organizations in general That align with some of your politics so you can get directly involved and then start working from there Then exactly what david said. He's like, that's one aspect of it Where do you spend the majority of your day in your workplace? So if your workplace isn't organized try to get your workplace organized go to more perfect union uh youtube.com Slash more perfect union they have direct instructions on how to organize and uh unionize safely because it is something that can risk You getting fired. So that's obviously a really big concern and also like david said when it comes to elections Don't just think about the sexy ones the ones that are like the president the prime minister But actually affects your life way more than anything and I found so much more rewarding is canvassing and volunteering for your local elections Who's your mayor? Most people don't even know sometimes who the mayor of their city is who's on your council Who like these are the people who determine the police budget the police priorities You have control over that and the show up like the turnout for local elections is abysmal in some major cities It's like 20 percent in mine.  I never posted it solidarity.  I never posted that link. I mean, that's a bullshit policy at the beginning, but I never even broke that policy posted the link I've replied with matt binder never posted the link. Yeah, I'm posting that too and by the way, like If you had why wouldn't they show you the tweet the offending tweet that caused the the suspension like you can't At least under I mean you can because he's elon musk, but the way it was supposed to work Oh, the way it did work is if you got suspended, you knew you at least knew why Um to just do this nonchalantly and like clearly have no basis for it.   That's the policy.  That's what happened And he bought the band my cast too Yeah Everyone is sharing the notorious tweet from elon musk or the one that david points it out Where he's like, I hope even my worst critics remain on twitter because that is what free speech means Motherfucker, what happened to that? I mean, holy shit to to say that he did a 180 Is the understatement of the century like he is the biggest most pettiest tyrant ever I mean, I would believe it's a 180 if I actually believed that what he said the first time was actually truthful That's a great, but I think it was always just a show. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point Blair that's the cosine. Yeah That's it. I've been said they be lying. You take him at face value.   Not doing the things they said. They said they do What you said They don't care.  That's their Political ideology.     They're gonna get there Yes We need to reorient ourselves to that absolutely undeniable fact Yes, yes What I already know. Let me tell you y'all gonna wake up to y'all. Twitter's gone But I'm a poor one out boy y'all Good honestly, I like I don't want to lose my twitter account But I've got to say my mental health would probably improve at least like 65 percent if I didn't have twitter If I'm being perfectly honest Twitter is the just as cool. It is You just you see Everything on twitter like the things that people won't call me on youtube.  I get talked greasier about than youtube comments That's probably because I was on the hill but Listen, oh the hill. Yeah That's gotta be brutal. Y'all don't know disrespect So y'all see youtube comments about me. You don't know Disrespect Okay, maybe in there talking about me like my my mother called me in a heated In a heated rage one day. I was like, oh no, my mommy you you can they don't love your daughter They love does not live there. Don't don't don't scroll my main don't scroll My mommy calls me like, why would they say that about you?   It's fine. Like they're It's youtube. It doesn't it's totally okay. Just don't read it. Don't look at the comments It's fine.  I'm obnoxious.  So what she'll do. She knows she'd be like She's like jeez.  No, she did Yes Yeah, she tricked me too. That's how she tricked me. That's how she tricked me because she don't know That's how she tricked me.  She came in the call and she was like Yeah, you know mostly positive. I saw a lot of positive comments about you proceeds to read only slander only deaf only deaf And she's like tickle. She's like she's like I always love when the races call people racist.  Oh my god Yeah, it's best to to just like not look at the comments I think that anyone who's getting in like who's new to like having a semi sort of platform Real number one is don't look at the comments.  I saw Blair. She shared a comment Uh, and I got the same type of comment from a different person of one of them saying Yeah, I man, it's too bad that you weren't in the club during the club queue shooting Like I got that Blair got that we bought like I shared my my screenshot in your thread Yep, I saw that and I was like, yeah, I mean I I was almost there like you were close buddy.  I'm still here Right, sorry.   I'm like, you don't even know my dad. My dad was super proud of me.  Where is that even coming from? Like they just try to like Find the lowest most like hurtful thing But I feel like the the bar is so high to get me to pay attention. Like it doesn't even affect me They're dickheads. They're dickheads It's just this it's really wild with the internet and the way people perceive social media visibility Like I feel like they think like as you get followers or something You start getting like you get 10 grand or something every every thousand followers or something like even when we did this Show someone was like someone commented to me and they were like Like you sure sold out quick. I was like sold the way the money was sold out stream What you talking about? I'm streaming with five people for the free on Thursday Damn Yeah, it's called me a sell-out.  Like I'm student that's still come on I'm saying me too. I still got 40 grand of student debt. Can't wait to pay that off piece by piece I have 95k It's gonna be a long time Yeah, so shout out to ron ronaldcworld on twitter clueless ron. He shared One of my responses to lauren bobert like I sometimes i'll just tweet it them like hey Remember when your husband was arrested on a bowling alley for exposing himself to a minor and like this random person Unprovoked i'm gonna get off the call for a second guys. I'll be back in a minute. Okay. Okay.  Yes Yes, this random unprovoked person came in calling again. He's too famous for us. I know God we're gonna have to find a new co-host.  Oh, uh, elon must tweet update by the way. He tweets.  First of all, I don't even have a database of commentators Let me just know that as y'all know, I don't know 99 percent of everybody.   I'm not in it. Like I think it is a waste of energy. Listen, I have thoughts I have thoughts on I'm an opinionated bitch So I have lots of thoughts on different commentators different people different that that I think But I think it is a waste of energy and space and attention and engagement for that to be what I'm engaged I don't give a fuck about what anybody else is saying on their platform I am not busy trying to win some kind of purity task from my perspective in terms of the work that I do Outside of like commenting and being media is an aspect of, you know How I go about advocacy and blah blah blah, but overall where I see my role and what I'm concerned about in terms of black liberation I think it has always been a mistake to be engaged in an argument is if if I read books if I read Huey Newton stokely Carmichael w big boys everybody at some point in time addresses their thought or beef or problem With some other black activists and who gives a fuck at the end of the day At like how I see it is under a certain level of umbrella We're not gonna agree on every motherfucking thing and like it's not my concern Regardless, I feel about it It's not my concern to be worried about you unless I find you to be like a truly harmful motherfucking I'm gonna speak about your ideology But wasting time and energy when we barely ever get space in the mainstream media at all Or or our attention or engagement to our post me wasting and taking that energy to go shit on such and such and This one and blah blah blah.  I am consistent. You put me in the room with the with the right You put me in the room with whomever the liberals the monsters centrist.  I have the same agenda And so I'm like, that's what I'm here for.  That's full. Yeah, that's that's it.    That's that's like the end of it. Like they love talking There's no room for evolution or realism or recognition that like listen.  But you think we should totally ignore any level of you know, who is a liberal or who is it this? I think we have to deal with those motherfuckers. I don't have to like it.  It isn't realistic and something for me that I try to consider I've always been somebody I don't like getting unfounded praise Like I don't believe I always say lines can tell you on my first interview with lines I'm like, I don't think being a public defender is doing God's work. I don't think anything like that. Y'all don't see me I don't call myself somebody's revolutionary. Nobody's activist. Yeah But I don't I don't feel that way But I I feel like if people are paying attention to Macy or there's a platform I feel a level of responsibility to make sure I'm actually saying something we're saying I'm espousing something I'm trying to tell y'all I'm trying to figure out how we could do something Which is why I have a learning Audi, which is why I read why I say all these different things I don't have the energy in the space for us to just be um Only only talk into other means because that's not gonna do nothing for us If I have I feel like I have all the answers in my house I feel like I have all these things that would be helpful if other people or people thought about this But I only tell my boy who agrees, you know What's that gonna do forget and at the end of the day you gotta recognize is no one starts Nobody starts at their most radical and and and political evolution is lifelong You're constantly learning it is a theory you are constantly Evolving I always say to people I did not start a fucking abolitionist I even I started and I started as somebody far more radical in your average person And when it was first posed to me I was like, you know because again We're all being educated in the society that educates us in the way of the bullshit You know educates us to be more on what is the status quo?      I do feel you, but you got to talk to them too. We can't just be like That person's not a real life. I'm just like at the end of the day even if you think if you're mine Do I see all the comments they say to me is like You're the only one I think is a real okay. So let's say all these these five white people are All liberals, right? Or you think they're more representative of the Dems and blah blah Are they not still the majority by comparison? You recognize that the five of those people definitely outrank like I'm like, it's not it's only me one If that's all the different view these people all everybody got a show and I don't all these people have Larger platforms, larmetry and access. So they're talking to more people Are that is it not better for you to get a person get people in the room and be having those conversations? Isn't it better for us to set us to be in fighting for us to actually have the discussions and share the Different information that we didn't know and cross cross content like because we just can't know at all We can't cover all the areas after things y'all talk about. I'm like, I didn't hear about it Didn't know Didn't know and then people who watch for me. They get to that information They didn't know and the people that watch for y'all that don't know the information I would say they get to that information and we do a much better job But at least trying to get on some more moving to the laugh and some more united messaging instead of just fighting to say I'm the wokeest leftist in the room This is why I also don't normally talk about ideology on my channel I I tend to I mean, I do think each person has a each of us have sort of a place in our audience and Like the goals that we want to achieve and and who are reaching for most of my content I do try to make it as broad as possible because I know discussing ideology like immediately like people don't care Or turns them off and it just it's not interesting for a lot of people Whereas if you talk about a news item in a way that Maybe opens their minds to ideas. They haven't thought of before I think that is a better way to to get to people than you know discussing my ideology. What that means It's it just that's how I always always applied like how I discuss news and that's also by the way Why I think it's important to at least for me to jump on, you know Various viral topics that are that are that are popping up or like a clip of like, you know The viewer some shit where it seems dumb on the face of it But if you introduce Different ideas and thoughts into those discussions that those people that you know would come upon come upon a clip like a viral clip They wouldn't normally see something like that Then you can you aren't just you know discussing or or showcasing the clip for the sake of the clip You are bringing other information into that discussion and reaching people that normally would not be seeing your channel Because you are discussing this trending topic that a lot of people are viewing So I think that that's always my goal is to try and reach as broad of an audience as possible That's why I people that are like elderly that watch me that comment on a regular basis I have people that are young in the comments So I have sort of people all over the place and I think that's that should be a lot of our goals at least You know it can't always be I know some of us are a little more focused on discussing talking to a leftist audience and how we frame arguments and that kind of thing But um for me, it's just it's always been a broader message Yeah, that's that's the way that I see it as well. It's like my goal is to move people as far as I can move them towards my position towards the far left But you can't do that by just like being in your face about it You've got to be strategic and I I do think that like trying to radicalize normies by like Introducing a view clip for a while and bringing like a leftist twist to it I think that is important like in in the days when like when my show was popping off in 2017 during net neutrality I I get comments all the time of people saying listen I was like I was not political or I was conservative and I just kept watching after net neutrality And now I'm a socialist or some people's you know now I'm a communist And they just like and it's not like like I don't really talk about ideology Like I'll introduce like anti-capitalist rhetoric from time to time if it's relevant or I'll talk about like Anti-capitalism if I'm talking about billionaires for example But like my goal is to just get them to have that spark To start like discovering their own political ideology. I just like point them in the direction So you have to like know who your audience is and it's unrealistic to like always be Beating up on liberals a hundred percent of the time, which we all shit on liberals We all love doing that because they are insufferable But the liberals are the ones who I think we need to win over To bring to the left and there has been liberals who have said like Yeah, I agree with you about this with the democratic party and how this has fucked up what they did Um and that's what that like that's what our jobs are I think as political commentators to the extent that like we have a grander message That's at least like what what I feel my mission is is radicalize these normies get all of the democratic party loyalists to see That the democratic party is flawed opt for the more progressive candidates if you're going to vote if you're gonna vote vote At all make sure you participate in local election support these progressive candidates because even though it makes a lot of sense to us People don't realize it like they don't understand Um politics the way that we see it like I went to a town hall back in 2018 And I had on a bernie sanders shirt and then this old lady who was signing everyone up. She was like, oh, I love bernie sanders I voted for him in 2016 and I'm like, hey, that's great.   Like you can't you can't do that So you've got to say well Like I forgot what I said, but it was very like gentle like yeah But I don't like the way that he's taking money from wall street. I'm like Bernie Sanders and she was like, yeah I mean, I didn't keep in touch with this lady.  So realistically liberals are the easiest Like they're the law hanging fruit So go after liberals try to convince as many as you possibly can and you know to the extent that people think I'm a liberal because I try to Radicalize the liberals and speak their language. That's fine. But like ultimately at the end of the day I I hide my power level.  I absolutely am anti-capitalist 100 percent I think that uh, the workers should own the means of production.  You have to speak their language and that's kind of like what I feel like My my job is You just said it Yeah, yeah, you just said it I was gonna say I think my channel falls into like that gateway area because I think between All of the content that we create I think I probably have some of the more neutral content because and it's interesting because um I think I briefly talked about it with you lance when we were on your show that I used to actually be very conservative um up until probably around 2012 2014 area and then I just claimed I was a libertarian while I was figuring my shit out and where I actually Like was what I believed in And one of the things that really made me lean left like faster than anything ever Was all the research that had to be done for all the episodes that we created to look at these businesses And what you realize is no one likes what these businesses are doing That's literally the reason why my content thrives and does what it does is because everyone hates this shit And they want to learn why are charities corrupt wise? Why are these cults here? Why do these mlm's and and scams and shit? Why are they all around and when you dig into it you start to realize that there's really one political party That really supports these things and puts laws in place to allow these things to happen And then when you start to let yourself put the pieces together over a series of time you go Holy shit There's no way that I can't that I can be part of the right because they believe all of these things are okay And I vehemently think that what these companies or nonprofits or whatever did are wrong And I've also gotten those comments where people like oh, I used to be like centrist or whatever And now I'm leaning so much further left after watching your content and I'm just like Me too honestly. I had to learn through that process as well. And then when it came time to kind of um Hiring employees when that was a whole thing when I started to do that and I was like no everyone needs health care Everyone needs 401ks everyone to have all my employees know I bug them regularly when I see they haven't taken off time in a couple Months, and I'm like, hey, do you need like a week off you want to go away for a week? You should you should go relax Do you have something to do I can I can like send you something like what do you need help with? Let's let's let you take a break and refresh and When I started going through like the laws and stuff to set things up what kind of funny is there was A program that I wanted to set up for employees. It's called like um A personal spending account essentially it's something that I know exists in canada Doesn't exist in the u.s And I tried to set that up I contacted this company in canada and they take a look at my company. They'll go. Oh, well, you're an american company So it's not actually this is an attacks exempt benefit in the u.s Um, this is something only like canadian companies can really work with and I was like, oh So I can't work with you guys at all. They were like, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, america is not compatible They don't believe in this type of benefit for their employees. So I had to manually create it For my employees and it's something where I take a nasty little tax hit on it every year essentially because it's Canada's a taxable benefit and I try to like kind of mitigate that kind of tax cost with them by paying for it And it just it became so clear how easy as an employer in america It would be to literally exploit the living shit out of my employees And it was kind of horrifying To see it firsthand to go Oh, I could write off like a g-wagon But the fact that I want to give my employees extra money so that they can like Have child care paid for or like be able to go to the movies or maybe be able to have their groceries Like, you know extra groceries or whatever paid for is like in the house parties, whatever Like I don't care what you do in your personal life But like so they can actually enjoy life outside of work And that I couldn't do anything about that But I could go buy like a g-wagon or I could go buy a boat Or any of these obscene things and call those tax write off And I just found that to be obscenely grotesque and I was like All right, listen here Now is like a tiny business owner I see a big difference and it gave me even more perspective when I'm looking at these companies Because I know they have even more options and reach on how they could help people and they choose not to And there's nothing that really motivated me more than kind of putting those pieces together And then being able to talk about it on a weekly basis Like nothing shifted me over and it's the subtle stuff that gets people I think if we're out there Yeah socialism people is such a Polarized word people don't even know what it means people don't care what it means anymore But if you're like let's talk about what this company did let's look at this example people go You're right that is fucked up and like that's right and let me tell you what else that might mean for you if you believe in that Yeah, yeah, everyone has this experience with like these these um these tyrannical bosses like the easiest conversation Uh about to to like get into the doorway with someone if they're not necessarily super political As you talk about how we don't have democracy in the workplace They literally control our expression what we can wear Where we have to be and we dedicate the majority of our days to these corporations I me personally I am very firmly obviously in what is my basic position and anything I am moving us to a radically different world in plain sight right like on my abolitionism, you know um And for me it's not about speaking around that it's about speaking in recognition of that in the sense that um I will always acknowledge and I think that always will will seed some you know grace in in discussions with people I always acknowledge that everything that I say and believe in espouse is radical by today's You know status core that it will seem abnormal to you and that Is something that allows people to give a more grace in conversation and in and in breaking that down Um, but I'm very squarely firmly. I don't give a fuck what we're just scared of And and what different things because I recognize that inherently Everything that I am and everything that I'm going to save just my face in the room Speaking the kinds of people that I'm speaking to and the world that I am trying to get them to change And what status core they are trying to maintain don't want to hear from me period Hearing from me at all in and of itself is the radical thing is the thing that scares them So there's no world in which I can mute or condense this in a way that does not make Whomever afraid I recognize and I think this is something we all should recognize and fighting for anything Is there are always to be people that that it doesn't there's no way that you can do it that they will not position themselves As your adversary as they will not have a problem as they will not receive it as terror But you just have to do your best To speak in truth or that speaking furtherance of that and also I think we have to be wary of the limited space we have like for me I'm all for everybody take the approach that works for them Like in a sense that even like with with lawyers like we have different style Like I could be a great lawyer and I'm a more bombastic type And there's a great lawyer that is far muter and reserved because different strokes for different folks Because there's different people on a jury right so in the same way They're different people that consume their information and prefer it in different ways There are people that are going to prefer to have them last people prefer to have them David People prefer to have Mike and so I don't I recognize that not every approach is there's not one approach It's the right way right the approach that works for whom and who can whom can package it that way But what I always and I want us to all recognize and something That I know from being in like the writing world in the media world and the lawyer world is They don't let us in much like in terms of writing op-ed based on how much should I write How much things that come out or can be published in mainstream You know print versus what I actually you know write or have or what I want to say is vastly different If I wrote for every op-ed that I've ever had come out if I showed you with the original version of it Very very very very different when they led us into Media to come on to mainstream media to talk to be on these shows very limited times So what I don't want us to do is get caught up in the talking about People and things more than issues and I think that is sometimes what the audience is what feeds us They they feed us and they want us to do that they want us to be worried about what such and such is doing and such and such Is saying and arguing and they want you're commentating on that person and that thing and it's like no no no We barely get space they barely offer us any any any of this space in his platform We need to be spent doing that in furtherance of whatever our goal is and whatever method it is That we are choosing to go about that and educate people rather than get caught up in the bullshit of people turning us into Turning us into low ponds. You know what I mean? Little things to dance with That's part of being an internet personality too. Sorry go ahead. No, sorry I was gonna say one of the things that I found really interesting was when I announced in like the community tab of my youtube channel Saying that we were gonna kind of do this whole thing most of the comments I'd say like 95 of them were super positive and everyone's like really excited They're like, oh my god Finally a whole bunch of people on the left are gonna, you know come together in a panel to discuss topics And it's a merging of minds and an emerging of platforms and it was really cool And then there was like this weird 5% of people maybe that were just like Well, you're not left enough like none of you are left enough you guys are all liberal cucks You guys are establishment motherfuckers and shit And I was like you do nothing to benefit the conversation Because while the right can unite itself all it wants all day and spew absolute hatred everywhere in waves We just sit here and have to pick up pieces because none of us want to get together because everyone's too big trying to figure out Whose dick is larger exactly just get together and do the damn thing and be united for once Yeah, I genuinely expected that's what I said what you got is your 95 percent That's what I expected to get honestly because to me as someone who's always I feel like I'm very rarely in a space Where it's not shitty like I'm a conservative show I'm like people like they love to see me in those spaces, but they have no respect for my mental health I want to wake up at eight and It is to roll out of bed at the top of the morning into a morning show with conservatives and everybody I'm like Y'all you really thinking about might be like to all week be like all day long Police in this center to add a whole conservative run agent to me when I like when I did lancet show, I'm like, oh, this is nice I'm like wouldn't it be nice? We do so much like grueling type of you know serious this everything so serious everything so hostile everything so combative wouldn't this be good? And also I felt like it was really consistent with what I was spous because I feel like there isn't enough Joint, you know what I mean collaboration on this on this side. They're really they really just isn't and I'm like It's better for us If we're constantly talking about how fragmented our side and it is it's because it's a large umbrella of a bunch of Different, you know movements and yada yada yada Wouldn't it be good?   Are they are they matt? Do they think it's like anti-italian discrimination or what? I got someone who's too sad that No Yeah, I saw a comment that said that I I'm sorry. I'm sorry to that person. I rolled my eyes I have italian cousins. I know people that are italian. My husband is italian.   Yeah, my husband is half italian. So he approves. It's fine. He gave me permission And bender is italian. So there's all right. We have an italian on the show. He gave he gave us all the freedom card Yeah, yeah, they talk they they they had a they had a lot of negative to say but nobody actually watched the show Can say like my friend was like, oh like my my associate was watching it because I was like Oh Because she wanted to watch it to get our personalities to do the little flowery person and she texted me. She goes She's so sweet. Oh, she's such a gem. She's I'm gonna buy a little christmas gift I'm a treater.  I love her um So she she texted me. She goes. Oh my god. This is actually so good like this is so like refreshing I'm like, isn't it? Yeah, people love it I've seen so many comments of people like, oh, this is already my favorite show after episode two So people like because nobody's really doing this. We're kind of doing something new for the left Which is just talking with other people. It's it's amazing. Like like let's have the regular conversation we have Yeah, I agree and it's great because it's we all get to meet new people We all have different audiences and like we were saying earlier We all have different perspectives on how we view the world and different issues that we You know look into in particular So when we come together to talk about these big things and obviously having our audience Contribute to kind of those questions and themes for us It gives a lot of different perspectives for a lot of different people Instantaneously, but I think all from still like a central leftist position and it's nice Because we talk about all these other panels and all these talk shows where all these crazy right-wing Nazi people go on and Like well, I don't want to say we don't have an equivalent because we don't really have Nazis, but like We don't we don't have a place for all no, we don't have a place Where we all want to talk and express our ideas and viewpoints because I know we're not sitting here all like little cookie cutters We all have varying degrees on viewpoints and I think that's really interesting because yeah It's not going to change, you know or grow if you sit in your little bubble and just regurgitate information back and forth So and there is nuance within, you know, each side of the political party, but obviously we're speaking left here There's a nuance here in different variations of how people feel about things And it's interesting to learn about that because that's the only way you're going to grow and expand your own knowledge And what you want to believe in and stand behind So long but and it's and it's representative of life I think people have to remember that is like if you're actually in community like as people consider themselves You know they're talking the advocates the true left the organizers I know you know let's keep it g real like let's not act like everybody that we have to be in community with that We have to be in these nonprofits with everybody that we're working with towards maybe the same common goal We we think that we have identical politics or we think that their politics are all that I love You know what I mean? There is that whether you like it or not there is variation It just exists They just exist and you have to be able to contend with that and have those conversations And and what I want us to remember the internet and I I know this because the internet does this to me too I realize so much twitter has twitter has made me be so um So quick fire like so immediate to be like who I feel like you know I because you just feel like people are coming at you and I and I notice that like there are things on on twitter Or that you get mad about like you're mad because you disagree with but that In real life if you're a friend or somebody was talking to like y'all disagree You wouldn't give a fuck like y'all would move fast that in the conversation like it wouldn't be that important But we are doing that we are constantly just It's Let's fight this to all of this but in real life we we have these conversations We know that in real life We have all kind of people that we cannot click lock on and click mute on in in real life That we got to work with that we got to protest with that we got to do all these things with So why not sit around and have those conversations with each other and show how it really goes Where you can have all kind of different viewpoints and nobody's mad. There's no beef.  Yeah I was gonna say that too. Yes, you definitely Yeah Have a fan base like built-in like a lot of people love you You know, I'm a Leo. I love me But oh, I had to ask this for research purposes Because I was like my friend was talking about how me and lance are so high energy and I was like I think it's we're both leos I was like maybe oh and mike and I was like wait, I think mike might be a fire sign too. Aren't you like I'm a cancer. I think no, you're are you a cancer? Yeah. Is that what you are? Yeah What does that mean because I'm not in this world. So what does that mean? I don't I don't know It means you're sensitive and wild and emotionally wild mike. Oh, that's no, I'm not at all But I am I am heavily medicated so there's no hi-highs or low I I want to ask your ex-boyfriends line them up Can we talk about that used to be my worst life nightmare? Like I used to have in my early 20s My greatest nightmare was that I would just walk out on to like the ellen.  I'm gasoline before Like if they do I don't know these men and that's crazy how men be out here lying And cloud chasing and trying to bring a good woman down. I don't know these men. I have never had sexual relations I don't know my great secrets my great fairs Do you do you watch the show atlanta at all? I watched the first season There's an episode about that where they go back to town and every one of their x's is just They're all at once and they have to deal with all of them at the same time I used to have you know what I used to ask a scenario when we go to the bar on time Me and my friends having this this debate at quarry oaky Um, like if you were if you think if you walked into room you were locked in a room with all your x's How do you think that would go for you? I would do fine to be honest with you This is gonna be great time Yeah, honestly, I'm What's one another you know that right like they're all in the room with you Like one little one little white padded room not because you're like locked away in the asylum But it's white in this padded for comfort I mean, I didn't I didn't date a lot before I came out but like my most like The one girlfriend who was like stood out the most who like met my parents came to my wedding with my husband and stuff So we're like really cool And yeah, I think I would do okay. I feel like I haven't made a lot of enemies except online Online is very different. What about you Blair? I'm on friendly terms with like all of my x's except one and actually still regularly message a lot of them When we like check in on each other and stuff, so yeah Yeah, okay, what about you labs? Uh, no, no, I would not like they would not go well. I would not like Be a room of chaos and dark energy. No, thank you I just would just a block and beyond nobody but me. All right cool. Cool. All right. Got it like Yeah Not the best So because you said something about the the um The horoscope signs so like since myself Blair and david had different answers Does that correlate like I don't know what there's because I'm not I'm not in this world So I'm just I'm just curious Let me write this out and I'm actually gonna come back with answers next Yes, because I do think this is interesting Yes, because recent purposes I I do want to know this and again Because I know that Mike is not qualified to give me the right I feel like I'm I'm 60% sure I'm a cancer, but I could be completely July 18th Yeah, uh, yes, you are cancer. I am. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm actually Okay, I used to be friends with a girl whose birthday that was she was wild Oh, okay. It's the same birthday as Nelson Mandela. So I feel blessed There you go. Yeah Okay I'm scorpio Oh, November. I'm definitely scorpio lair. I'm curious Okay, all right. I'll come back with research. I'll go I'll go look up max business. He's famous now So I'm sure it'll be on the internet for me Yeah, I'm curious if there's like any like Throughline there in terms of like with the similarities and stuff because I feel like for the people who hate me online in real life Talk to anyone who knows me. I have like Really no enemies like even co-workers like I'm cool with all of them Like I feel like I just kind of get along with everyone Which is weird because I'm very opinionated online and whatnot, but like I'm I'm believe it or not folks Okay haters. I'm a chill person I'm a polarizing character.    You don't like me.     They'll be like I know her All the time by people like you're famous now. I saw you on the hill and stuff All the time. That's crazy. I haven't I haven't had that yet. Oh, I have that all the time Yeah, like John after John John. I swear to you when John Oliver happened I found out before I saw it or knew I was on it because people were messaging me people I went to I went to school and I lived in Florida for one year I I I almost have like nobody from there that I speak to People who never talked to me not just like, oh, they haven't talked to me in a long time They didn't talk to me then I've never they've been on my social media for 15 years There's no interaction between us. They messaged like hey I just saw you and John Oliver. Did you know I live in New York City? You want to go to coffee?  I saw you. I saw you in the breakfast club I see you doing a lot of big things. Would you like to go to dinner?  It's been years.  No, as in like they do the card game regularly Like a standing a standing obligation. It's a new term to me. Okay, I don't play I was thinking like lads to be to be honest That's like to stand and play cards. I'm up with you only I had literally one of my high school bullies Like this dude was mean to me.  How's life been for you? And I was like and block That's how they be You made my That's how they give it up. It's very very shameless. I went on a first date with a guy He was the most miserable commudant. Can we talk about? Listen at least at least five men who ghosted me like six years ago, bro Like six years ago.  I ever like it was like christmas, bro And he was like gang banged on christmas. He ate christmas.  He'll gleeze page and ask me like That's so funny You're gonna get that song stuck in my head now.  It was stuck in my head last month for some reason Did you try to call the number when he first popped off now, you now, you know this I did You know this I was I was trying to call every number that they had and the stuff you can at one point I was convinced I was so obsessed with the lost city atlantis Like I just knew I could follow the instructions Ariel talking about to find it. I'm like this the Bahamas. We have atlantis It's definitely here.   She was just like randomly call us She'll be at work like laughing about it to her co-workers and call us to be like yummy yummy yummy Tell them tell them how you stop y'all working for me and I'm like Yes, yes, that is true.     She had fallen off the chair early in that day It was so funny.  She's like chasing us right now So we go running down the neighborhood and we're like all the way around the roundabout way like we don't we're good So we start walking You don't understand.  That's that's nonsense, right?   Like so obviously this isn't about that like yeah You can't link your mastodon account on twitter. It doesn't let you like this is You can link your gab Probably you you can Let's gab It's another like right wing, uh twitter ish.  Yeah losers. Yeah stochastic terrorist libs of tiktok tweeted out It's funny seeing the libs panic over their friends getting suspended.  They got a bomb threat Oh, all the doctors got bomb threats.  What's happening?   That's crazy.  Honestly. I wonder what like what legal remedy they have if any And that's not my area law But I feel like looking into that because there's no fucking way like people build like obviously twitter Plays into tremendously people's careers people's profit people's this people bill list and these arbitrary levels of these were not the Fucking terms of the term the terms of service haven't been violated and you are actually affecting people's revenue stream XYZ I feel like they probably have something they can get real litigious about and if it were me All right, well, let me uh, let me get some questions because we still have a lot of questions And I know we've we've gone off the rails tonight, which is good. Um, Nord Cal You didn't someone have to be somewhere too. I just want to make sure that I am probably gonna jump off in like 10 minutes or so because I gotta finish shoveling snow Oh, yeah, you were the 731 easy stuff.   The guy was like slurring half of his speech But he was on our election panel. Yeah, I love vosh He was there I don't know what that is He was he was on you were you did a stream with him. He was just so shit-faced and he could No, I think she ducked out before he came on Yeah Yeah, no, he was I was So yeah, I'd say he's in good standing. He's just doing his own thing Maybe we'll do guests in the future though. We've kind of talked about it for those who are wondering but You know, I think for the first few episodes, it's probably important that we kind of establish our own little thing first and then bring on other people Agreed Agreed Um, let's see here. Uh the constructive criticism says this isn't really a question But I want to say I love your content. Keep up the great work Wow, and that's not really constructive criticism. Thank you so much. I think that was her name. Yeah, I know I'm just kidding Um, so this person, uh, Nate says not a question but a suggestion I think you guys should make a list of the craziest events that happened this year and talk about it on the next episode Okay, yeah I actually I can I already edited and uh Pre-published a video to my youtube channel titled 2022 in 10 minutes all the biggest stories in lefty media So maybe um, I can share that link ahead of time with people it's scheduled to go live on the 29th of this month So it's available for patrons now, but yeah, I can maybe share that ahead of time Oh, yeah No, I think that's oh This one is a I guess a comment slash compliment for ole Just want to say this comes from shea Uh, they say I just want to say hi You are my favorite to follow on twitter before I left So happy to see you on rising and breakfast club. Great to see you on twitch. Oh, I love that. Thank you Um, I'm trying to run through some some quick ones here. Um, oh, let's see this uh callus cats parentheses serfs aka giga stacey parentheses bird app For some people I will Lots of indicators. So I'm assuming someone knows um They say if I build an effigy of elon and burn it for my pagan winter solstice yule celebration Film it upload it to twitter get banned in su elon for violating my freedom of religious expression Will everyone on the panel and in their chats go to burning man with me if I pay with elon's money Um I mean Someone in the chat on last episode when I was telling you all about TJ homes and is a fair someone said we should have tea time with ole There's a segment and I definitely want that. Oh, okay. Okay.  We've done it every episode. We have to cancel and uncancel somebody.  Yep. Yeah, just like matt bender's twitter Yeah Hashtag free bender Hashtag free. Yes, everyone go tweet hashtag free bender. I know you're watching on multiple streams Let's get that trending hashtag free bender. I'll do it right now. Yeah, and hashtag the leftist mafia That way you know where it's coming from Yeah, and join his patron patron. Yes, exactly patreon.com slash matt bender Help the man out. I'm gonna link that to miss info dot subsack dot com Oh, yeah, everyone shout outs to your thing Your people we do things Mike I am mike figurato hosted the humanist report. I'm on youtube. I'm on twitter for now next week. I'll check back in And um, yeah new videos monday through friday on my show twitch highlights on the weekends. Yeah, go subscribe to me folks david Hey, I am david dole. I host uh the rational national on youtube I am sometimes on twitch as well playing games on there and just talking shit So, uh, follow me on uh, there as well under the same title of rational national Also on twitter for now at david dole doel. You see the name right there in the corner There you go Uh, you can find me everywhere social media is sold at uh at the surfs tv at the surfs tv. Super easy Yeah, you can find me on all social media twitter instagram at tiktok at missa luren. That's ms O-l-u-r-i-n and subscribe to my sub stack oler nadi where I drop essays And yeah, and y'all should let me know if I should start like a um They could like a call in I feel like that would be fun or a twitch or something y'all let me know Y'all let me know if I should do that. I feel like that'd be cool. Twitch would be awesome Right. Yeah, I feel like that'd be cool. I agree. We make my instagram stories less long Um, all right. Hey, hey everyone. I'm Blair the Illuminati, uh Which by the way, I've seen some of the chats y'all are spelling it b. L. A. I. R. E I am not Blair white How dare they That's a mean mix-up.  And I was like List in here other people are allowed to have that name first of all so leave me alone Oh, but yeah, anyway Illuminati everywhere you go twitter. I'll probably be fine because I'm not verified So I get to hide in the shadows there on twitter, uh, youtube obviously instagram Tiktok whatever I'm there cool All right, this is a good show guys a lot of a lot of people say always great to chat with everybody And uh, we will see y'all next week at are we doing five 30%? Yeah, our normal Yeah back to the normal schedule. Yeah back to the normal schedule today Everyone gets wild. Yeah Yeah, I'll be traveling. So I might be a little bit late, but I also might be tipsy for a warning Yeah I might be in the Bahamas, but whatever. I'll be there nice Yeah, I feel this night. It was always great to chat with y'all. It was such a pleasure And uh everybody next week. Take care folks