That video go win the video is go win. I don't like that the blue alert Stays up over the live yellow button because it's harder to tell if it's like it goes from getting ready to go live to live, but we're live and I'm not gonna tell you about Fight Club because that breaks the first rule And We are we are we are chock full of the news We are we are brings bacon says I should put a strip of bacon over my nose Probably would help it heal It's just a cut folks just a cut probably probably from from dry air. It's the night air So Mary and you're gonna used to always say when when my friend mark would get sick. It's that night air. You shouldn't be up Yeah, that live blogging oh Geez man, I'll tell you what I Heady day for for my Twitter feed like it is just from all different directions between the WWDC and the E3 and Everybody's in full live blog mode. So they're just you know using One word it's all like one word updates with something that everyone just found out about live Right, and I have no idea at first glance whether or not it's like a new file system for one of the OS is or a new standalone game from Tony yeah, it's just like feed Yeah, it's dark. It's just all like quizzle ball Well, I have no idea what's happening By the way, there's an all caps line in the second story here that is not meant to be red shouted I just happened to accidentally turn caps lock on now. There's a tar dark mode um Sierra sling By the way that that might be the move to cut cable Yeah Think that's that's gonna be it Really, I just need to find a wrestling Substitute, but I think that might just be Hulu Okay Well, what about their own their own app is still just not moving at USA USA is the real real mother Lover PlayStation view. All right. Here we go ready We start again, I didn't have the right thing up All right now now I'm really ready. I'm really ready. Let's go. I'm ready for you to be ready This is your captain speaking I'd like to take a moment to remind you that this show is brought to you by listeners like you who give value for value To show your support go to daily tech news show dot com slash support We know you have a choice when it comes to getting your tech news and on behalf of the crew I thank you for choosing the daily tech news show This is the daily tech news for Monday, June 13th 2016 I'm Tom married joining me Justin Robert young fresh off the road host of night attack weird things dot com politics politics politics and Recently returned from jury in your house Yeah, I was in so many houses Thank you to everybody who came out that were DTNS fans and listeners in Louisville Cincinnati and Chicago We had such a great a great time and I really feel like there was a both of us I'd had great a great community experiences this weekend you with Scott Johnson in uh in salt lake city And we were just sending each other videos back and forth Uh with all of our friends who we don't live near Yeah, it was it was a really good time uh in salt lake watching warcraft hanging out meeting fellow fans podcasters, etc Uh, but today we come back and apple apple they don't give any of the The animal fox They just do their thing whenever they don't care if it's e3 day where every other gaming company On the planet is going to be putting out press conferences and microsoft Which also had a press conference running at the same time as apples w w dc announcements Uh just decided to buy linkedin yesterday and just make it extra special All those emails finally worked So what we're gonna do today, uh Last time we did this with google i o we did a main discussion that was separate from the google i o discussion and people got mad Uh, no people maybe like two people got mad. They're like you should have only had google i o So today we're just we're just gonna talk about everything that's in the top stories as we go Uh, and then we'll get to the emails at the end because there's just so much It'd be silly to talk about it and then talk about it again, you know Sometimes we can create a a beautiful bellagio fountain of news with everything perfectly in time This is a raging river and we are literally just trying to survive. So please This is we keep our head above the water. Ah, ser paracadismo right into these headlines Uh, watch os 3 can now keep apps in memory so it can do instant launch Uh, you can 3d look right into to see things not 3d look But but you can tap in and see it without even having to fully launch it side button is now a dock Button it pulls up the dock when you hit the side button control center can be accessed by swiping up from the bottom And you can use something called scribble, which I like to call newton to write letters instead of typing them It supports both english or chinese you can also press and hold the side button to call emergency service It's a three second press and then it will call automatically whatever the local emergency service number is Then then after it's called the emergency service number will automatically notify any of your emergency contacts And then display your medical id info. Uh, there's a new workout app that adds shared rings So you can have a little friendly competition with people Uh, there's new wheelchair settings that adapt with things like time to roll instead of time to stand There's two specific workouts for wheelchairs and a new breathe app tells you when to breathe It's a deep breathing app kind of like stand time to deep breathe apple pay is now supported in apps Not just on the watch itself and it's a free upgrade that comes in the autumn Uh, well finally, uh, gavin ross dale will have uh his Justices we are reminded on our wrist when to breathe in and breathe out Uh, we uh, I think this is certainly Where we want to go with watch os. I am a loyal apple watch user I I think this update is all Kind of the the the poo poo platter aside from whether or not This refreshing and and the quickness of app loading Is actually makes a difference because as it as it is now even with the most recent update They're still unusable. You can't reliably open something Uh at the in a reasonable amount of time for you to really get something out of it Well, they even like showed how not they didn't show the worst example But they showed how slow it was to launch apps on the watch on stage and then said Here's what it looks like in watch os 3 and it was fairly instant granted That's demo magic But you don't see them oftentimes show how bad the old os was Like that. So I think they're trying to acknowledge. Hey, this was not optimal here What i'm curious about is what this going to do to the battery life Of the apple watch because we're not getting a new model watch at least at this stage And you're going to have a lot of background app Activations a lot of memory caching and and that could be a drain I mean and this might just be them making that decision because obviously the way that the apps were set up now Is that they did not want to lose on battery? They wanted you to believe that that this is something that can last all day You're not going to be looking for a charger for both your watch and your phone Uh now maybe they say hey look now you guys understand the dark bargain that we have made You want faster apps? Congratulations now you have them But go ahead and make sure you keep that cord in your pocket homeboy because you might wind up without a watch That has all your notifications now on the other end They can say a dead apple watch or an apple watch in its Absolute lowest power capacity that can last for days Is still functional as a timepiece in a way that fair enough. Yeah is not functional when it runs out of battery Apple started with new apps coming to tv os including slings live tv service Coming today along with fox sports go and molotov next month There's also now a dark mode for viewing in the dark without the white glare A remote app for the iphone will include touch controls Siri game control with accelerometer and gyroscope and of course keyboard input some kind of Single sign on will be introduced throughout uh, uh, sorry will be introduced though apple didn't add details Apps downloaded to ios will automatically download the apple tv if available and home kit and its new home app are coming to apple tv The new update will be free This autumn by the way new update free this autumn That's the refrain that we're going to be saying for all of this stuff That's they've they've standardized on that for every one of these operating systems Uh, this this got the least amount of attention. They did this announcement in 10 minutes So it wasn't much longer than what you just said, uh, they whipped through it And so we didn't yet get details at least at this point Hopefully they'll be out within the next 24 hours about what that single sign on means I doubt they're participating in tv everywhere. Uh, that would be huge news But they should they they would have to be managing like a keychain To to do it some other way. So I I love this idea of like, hey, I sign in once I don't have to keep signing in to everything, but I don't know how that works Yeah, because that I mean one of the biggest, uh problem uses problems with uh apple tv And really any of these set top boxes is input, right? The less you can do that the better off that experience is always going to be especially when you are talking about Uh services that require Authentification from a cable company or and stuff like that if if we can just hey you want to set everything up Here's the easy way that you can maybe do it on your phone or maybe your phone can even authorize through uh other Services that now you you can like I can just log into hbo go Without having to do the annoying like when you go to this website Please enter in the following five digit code and when you see the old elf, please recite the following Well and the remote app will help with that because now you can do use the keyboard on your phone to enter some stuff I have a feeling though that well all this means there's a new tv everywhere tv anywhere, uh I can't remember which one it is now suddenly A service that only a few cable companies are supporting that do single sign on Yeah, and so it may be all the apple's doing is saying hey, we support that now if your cable company does it And whatever participating apps are part of it and and most of the major broadcasters are part of it Then you can use it on the apple tv that that may be all it means that which may be why apple Like sped through it so much because it's not their own technology In which case hbo now is not going to work sling tv is not going to work It's not going to be single sign in for everything So yeah, I mean they want to say it so it's a part of their bullet points But if they didn't make a big deal about it, then you know, obviously, I mean, I guess the other sub headline here is that Uh set top boxes still a hobby for apple that they don't really care all that much about Yeah, they well, I I think they care a little more each time But certainly not on the level that they care about the operating system the other operating systems Biggest news for me is sling like now. I don't have to switch to the roku to watch sling channels I'll be very curious how that app works It's the first app with the new interface that they unveiled at ces to come out So I can't I've downloaded it and installed it But I didn't get a chance to really play around with it with everything that was happening today OS 10 is now called mac os not a big surprise The new version that's coming out this fall will be called sierra You can auto unlock it with your apple watch Clipboard and copy paste will now work across mac os and ios iCloud will have the ability to manage your files So you can have a universal desktop across all your devices Make sure you don't run out of room. You can have it automatically remove files Similar to what dropbox is now going to do where they say like we'll just keep everything in the cloud And we'll manage it for you so that your files are available Apple pay is coming to safari. You'll have to use touch id on your ios device Most likely your phone to verify it But you can then in a website use apple pay picture and picture now works on mac os works very similarly To the way it does on the ipad and siri comes to the mac Although it is more limited than the siri that you're going to get on ios mac os here Free upgrade in the autumn also mentioned at w w dc in the lineup that came out after the keynote of a new apple file system Called apple file system that will replace hfs And that seemed to be the biggest Some of the biggest buzz i saw especially considering this is w w dc, which is obviously very developer focused Is is people still trying to wrap their head around exactly what that's going to mean going forward, but Uh, I I have to say uh, you know That what we've seen a lot with these kind of announcements for the the uh yearly incremental, uh You know a mac os Upgrades are a lot of nice Features, but if anything I feel like that is just kind of the new normal right like it's just features these days Yeah, I mean the the the fact that the file system wasn't even mentioned at the developer conference when it's probably the biggest Potential change to the operating system means that's what they're trying to catch people's attention with features and siri was the big one It doesn't really do All that much that's more impressive, but it's there right you can click On it from the dock. It will also have something up in the top right corner a little icon that you can access it from Uh, but it's it's just voice search. I mean it is no better than than what you get on chrome os or certainly cortana In fact, I think it's far a little bit farther behind what cortana does But but it's there and that that's essentially what os 10 does now is say hey guess what we have this now Hey, yeah, I mean it's them keeping themselves in in the game there I do think that uh apple is in a a kind of uh, you know Go or get off the pot kind of situation when it comes to freeing siri in a world where where you know Alexa and and google are are taking big gigantic steps into the voice assistant stuff for the record Both my siri and alexa were triggered while we were recording this very soon So the pain is felt by us as well not just those of you at home listening on your amazon echo I do I do love apple pay. I'm wondering in practice How fluid it will be to have to pick up my phone to confirm But I still think that's more fluid than having to remember a password or even use a password manager I have a wallet case on my phone. So if I need to pull out my credit card I go for my phone anyway if I can now do it with a tap of the button on my phone instead of opening up Uh, the the phone case and grabbing the card. I'll be very happy to do it The biggest problem with apple pay for me is I just need more banks I need my bank to get on it right now I only have one card and it's great for me because now it's my business card But I don't have all the options, you know apple bay is is as a technology. I think extremely useful As a business and family of services. It still has a ways to go before it is The absolute go-to uh that that I think it really needs to be Well, I think it's obvious which operating system apple loves the best these days because they they saved it for last And it got the most attention Indeed and that is The newton just kidding uh ios got the biggest list of new features and what tim cook called the mother of all releases Uh raised awake rich notifications are coming and siri is now available to devs Siri intelligence is being added to the keyboard too from maps Contact info or pre-filling calendar entries as it is multilingual typing. I'm gonna really have to shut down my phone Yeah, well, and and that's the point is siri will now have context available to you So so you can say things in different orders Uh, they they've really improved it on ios in a way that that was not apparent in the os 10 or i'm sorry the mac os Demonstration uh siri intelligence being added to the keyboard too shows that they are Definitely making a big deal out of the fact that they have got some machine intelligence development here They also made a big uh deal out of the fact that all the analysis happens on your phone Uh, they are they are not running this through a server somewhere where your data will be kept Although they did talk about differential Privacy and and and things like that. So it's not not like they're not collecting the data It's a little bit confusing what they're doing with it But they are doing most of the analysis on your phone Which means you're in control of it and yet you should still be able to get the benefit Of of an artificial intelligence machine learning deep learning look at your data These keyboard things were the most exciting to me because I don't really love talking to my phone out and about Uh, I don't want everyone to hear what i'm asking for but having say uh a map location show up on the keyboard or or or Prefilling a calendar in invite and although I don't really use calendar. I use google calendar So i'm you got to stay in the ecosystem, but I love the idea of it. That's what i'm saying Uh, certainly so and and you've really seen I think apps kind of lead the way in terms of uh, you know They have an advantage because you are already siloing exactly what you want by opening the app So having it, uh, you know be pre-filled with good information like you know for me as as a regular uber user The fact that they know that by and large i'm usually only going to one of four brunch places or the bart station, uh is Very very helpful You know and and I think there's no reason why apple as the conduit for all that can't Spread a lot of that functionality out to some other elements that could use it including texting my friends or or just When somebody says where are you at pre-filling with like, you know where I am physically Advanced computer vision will add facial recognition and cluster photos into memories So so in other words it will be able to tell like oh these all came from the same place Let's make a trip uh location here. This looks like it was a birthday party Let's put all that together plus being able to say oh, these are the people we think are in these photos Maps gets proactive suggestions and some common navigation elements like rerouting while you because of traffic Route info like gas stations. These are pretty basic things that other navigation apps have had for a long time But they're finally coming to apple maps apple news add subscriptions and breaking news notifications trying to make it work More like a newspaper a new app called home collects all the home kit functions together and apple tv Is getting a new role as the secure point for your remote access I think that also points to the idea of what apple wants to do with apple tv and turning it into a home hub The phone app adds voice transcription and an extension api for things like identifying spam numbers for instance Contact cards can support other apps so you can put somebody's whatsapp or we chat identification information in the contact card And starting with ios 10 apple will let you delete the companies built in apps They didn't announce this on stage, but it came out afterwards So maps calculator music videos those will all be in the app store. They showed up already And we were like well, wait a minute. We're going to be able to delete them and the integrity. I'm sorry the verge says yes You'll be able to add and delete those it also means that they'll be able to be updated Off scheduled you don't have to wait for an operating system update to get an update to these default apps That's huge. I mean that's something that people have asked for for a very very very long time It also shows a kind of a different philosophical view of where these You know what the roles of these apps and specifically it's saying that the strength of ios is in the app store And that includes even us the great and powerful and wise apple that yes You can have other apps that are going to find a home in our ecosystem that would supplant the stuff that we give you Uh real quick and just a post script to our apple tv conversation I kind of find the idea that apple tv is to secure a point for remote access a little bit of Uh Just I think that it's an important enough idea that they want to put it out there But the fact that apple tv is not being taken more seriously is something that I think Ultimately will will sort of hamper it either They're going to go all in on apple tv or an apple tv like device or some kind of home hub Or they're not and and right now it seems like apple tv is more focused in the in the way that they are As just being an entertainment hub and not necessarily a way that you can connect All of your uh all of your smart uh functionality Uh, but all all things being equal like this is a lot of a lot of stuff here Well, and and you could point to everything and find a predecessor, right? There's tons of home hubs out there that are End and encrypted. Uh, there's tons of a facial recognition facebook is the king Of facial recognition and google has been doing facial recognition in their photos and coming up with these Agregations, uh for you. So none of this is new. That's always the way that is always what apple does apple does not Do things usually not never say never, uh, but usually what they do is say, okay We finally figured out how to make it work the way that they think is the right way to make it work Meanwhile messaging got a lot of upgrades including rich links inline video and live camera preview emojis are three times bigger and you can auto And you can auto ili words are in place With emojis with one tap bubble effects allow you to make responses loud gentle slam in or hide behind an invisible link Uh, sorry invisible ink and you have to swipe to reveal it You can also add background images hand write text and send drawings and heartbeats eye message apps are now open for developers to add extra functions this kind of reminds me tom was it during facebook's Bot conversation that they added like whimsy as one of their key Uh key elements that I don't remember is that right? It sounds right It it it was either messaging or bots. It might be bots, uh, but but they they added things have to be fun And this to me Seems like apple taking seriously and this is something that i've always thought for a while But nobody really makes the point that for all that we talk about the boom of messaging apps if you just look At messages dot app, you know And if you were to slice it out of the ios system, right and just looked at it as its own impact It has a gigantic footprint and and it has done that with uh very very little of a lot of the secret sauce that has made All these other messaging apps super super popular the one thing that you just know is that it's pre-installed on ios This to me is a is a big sign that they are taking that More seriously and their position in that ecosystem is not just hey look. Here's how you send sms is uh, this is Let's do more bigger more fun Uh more more interesting and and give a lot of the creature comforts that have kind of been around in other apps for a while I mean, they're not doing stickers, but they're doing three times bigger emojis Uh, they're they're not really making their app a platform, but they are providing this sort of extra function app So it's it's a part way down the road of where every other messaging app has already gone And and yet at the same time they're allowing uh, they mention we chat a lot partly because they're just targeting the chinese audience Where we chat is huge but but also because I think they realize that while these other messaging apps We need to include them. Uh, we need people people really are using them We're not going to get chinese users to just switch over to iMessage But at the same time they they want to beef up iMessage for the loads of people Over here in north america that are using it. So I I think these are all Must-haves if you want to keep your messaging app at all competitive for people. I I don't know That I really think replacing emojis with one tap makes sense People seem to get the most excited. I got the biggest applause of anything in the announcement Like why would typing I have to type out an entire word Then it's automatically highlighted and then by tapping that I can replace it with one character Now I get searching for emojis is not is not a fast process So maybe this does make some sort of efficient sense certainly a psychological No, it's this is a real functionality This emoji search is the reason why I try to use gboard as my default keyboard Uh because of gift search and emoji search. This is their own version Of emoji search is just type a thing and then if it highlights you get to do that little A little thing now that's not search. It doesn't give you all the functionality of search But I do think that people like to use emojis and and uh, you know, it can add a playful tone in a world where text is read specifically by You know that the receiver right and this is a problem as old as the internet Any way that you can specifically in tone silliness fun sarcasm He's at a premium and emojis do that So I think that this is a little bit more serious than than we might initially think but you know at the end of the day It is just deciding You know typing two girls dancing and then you know just hitting it and getting those two little ball ballerina girls with their Legs out. Yeah, listen man. I I am certainly not going to be the one that says this is too silly It won't be successful because those two things are mutually exclusive necessarily And real quickly I just want to throw in a mention of swift playground It was it was tim cooks last announcement when he came back out on stage It's a way to teach kids to program in swift And it's real simple. In fact, if you're not a kid, you still might want to use it If you want to learn how to program in swift and it should be available in free beta next month And what do you say we get in the car and head down the 101 from uh from from the bay area to los angeles california Come with me to the electronic entertainment expo Where microsoft announced two new xboxes project scorpio Is a device that doesn't even have an official name much less a price or release date But it is targeted to come out around the holiday season of 2017. That's a that's more than a year from now We'll have eight cpu course six teraflops of gpu power support vr gaming offer true 4k gaming With 60 hertz rendering and uncompressed pixels and microsoft emphasizes Accessories and games will be compatible across all the xboxes xbox one project scorpio And the new xbox s justin tell us about that one It's going to be 40 smaller with an integrative power supply. No power brick Comes with a controller and with textured grip and bluetooth Supports 4k ultra hd video including 4k ultra hd blu ray And hdr for both gaming and video has a built-in ir blaster, but no connect port play your taps for that Uh, you'll need to get the connect with usb adapter if you want to still work with it It can be stood on its side too just like the xbox 360 The xbox one s will be available in early august with two terabytes of hard drive for 399 dollars whose standard version will be available soon after with a 500 gig addition for 299 and a 1 terabyte for 349 that seems like obviously The xbox division knows their price points, but that just seems crazy pants to offer a 1 terabyte for 50 dollars more Than the 500 gigs and 50 dollars less than the two terabyte, right? Yeah, I mean that's that's uh, We're making the money on game pricing right there. Uh, it's I wasn't that that is movie theater popcorn pricing. That's like would you like a large for 75 cents more? Right exactly I I'm not shocked that xbox came out with two Pieces of hardware, but I am surprised like the one thing people were going to be most incensed about is You're giving us new hardware and they're like great not only are we giving you new hardware in august But also next year as well. Uh, they're like they just jumped into the pool They're like get used to it new pieces of hardware every year is where we want to go And this is the beginning and in fact the the press conference opened up with a video of the xbox one s Now I imagine part of that might be Because of the leak of all the xbox one s details yesterday Which the conspiratorial part of my mind is like well, sony gave that weird interview that came out in the financial times on friday About yeah, we're gonna have a new uh, playstation 4 not anytime soon And I don't want to support 4k gaming, but it'll have 4k video So microsoft might have wanted to leak theirs out because beatmaster was one of the people in our chat room just now saying Microsoft always rips off sony's idea and that's what it looks like It looks like they just followed sony because sony got the word out first on friday So they just throw that at you right away. I swear just it. Yeah, I swear I heard booze when they when when phil spencer came on stage After the xbox one s video, but there were enough of the developers in the front rows Uplotting that I couldn't tell for sure. All right Well, I'm sure that we'll spend the next few hours the prudering through all of that and sifting through the audio with a fine tooth comb Let's just assume that this is I mean this is obviously for microsoft going to be the new normal They very much had uh, I think you could Charitably say a troubled launch for for the xbox one. They seeded control of the console market to sony This Is interesting, but it also kind of Is a such a radical departure for how consoles have been sold pretty much since The beginning right? I mean the is this is the official Death, uh, you know if microsoft has their way. This is the official death of the you know, four to six year development cycle Right, I mean if we if we actually get the same official announcement from sony or more Uh this evening at six o'clock. Uh, I think yeah, you could you could say it certainly microsoft is signaling. Yeah, we We would like to just keep doing this And 4k is a good way to make the justification To say look all we're doing is providing a version that takes advantage of your new tv Most of you guys didn't have a 4k tv when the xbox one came out Why would we put out one that could support 4k? But now the 4k tv's are coming along a few of you guys might want to buy one We want to provide you one that gives you 4k and they're being very clear All your games work on all three consoles The undame project scorpio all your accessories work on all three consoles. That's the huge part about it, right? is that uh Part of what we are hardwired to think is that with a new console comes this this, you know continental Divide where now the things that work before do not work going forward That seems to be something that will be different, but let's make no mistake You know we talked about apple and and their and their uh announcements earlier xbox microsoft is looking and saying oh wait, so you guys are spending Five hundred dollars on a phone every year. You're spending three hundred dollars on smart watches. What about me? What about raven? They want their uh, their their money if somebody wants to update their xbox every single year $300 is a very good price point for that Uh, there there will be people who just give microsoft or sony if they make the very similar announcement at 300 It makes a lot of sense And we got a couple of announcements, uh for updates to services one called xbox play anywhere Is the result of windows 10 universal apps, uh, so you can now get games bought for xbox one On your windows 10 box for free. Uh, you buy it in one place You get it free in the other place and basically you just get cloud access to the game Sports cross platform play you can even pick up a game where you left off on the other platform If you save games to the cloud anyway, if you save them locally, that's not going to work Forza horizon 3 gears war 4 halo wars 2 and recore are among the games that will support this xbox play anywhere at launch So it won't work for every single game Uh, this is also another another very interesting, uh thing that it seemed to get a fairly positive buzz From from what I was able to see and following along on social media, but uh People want to be able To to play where where they want and especially because PC gaming especially with vr as as uh experience, you know a continued, you know sustained, uh Moment in the sun This makes a lot of sense Yeah, and apple likes to think of their apple tv as a gaming device And it's the same motivation for them to say hey when you download something on your iphone If the app of exists for tv os we're going to put it over there microsoft tapping into that saying yeah It's all windows doesn't matter whether it's on an xbox or a windows 10 Desktop machine we're going to give you access to that if we can stuff like this also kind of shows A little bit more of of why Microsoft was putting such a do or die emphasis on windows 10 Right. Yeah that you know, they want these things all these features don't matter if people are hanging out on windows 7 Especially gamers that that are afraid of change So that's that might be why I don't know if i'm ready to forgive them for for force uh update upgrading me from 7 to 10 but uh, I can understand Uh xbox live is also adding clubs on xbox They're communities that share your interest in games and play styles a looking for group feature helps you find a gang to join Live is also getting arena tournament platform Publishers can run tournaments on the surface and ea will bring fifa to arena In coming years tom Yeah, it feels like they're taking uh mmo features and sort of making them into wider Community features, uh, you know clubs are or similar to like say guilds in world world of warcraft There's arenas in all kinds of games So that that makes perfect sense and some people are even pitching this is like hey It's a safe space to hang out and talk with people if that gaming culture Open nature gets you down you you may be able to find a club you enjoy and then you have people that you trust to play with etc Yeah, and that's that's huge, you know, uh because by and large now if you have a pretty selected group of people Uh that you can pop in and play multiplayer games with it's going to be more fun than going in there and getting a lot of what Has become, you know, just the the gross some of the gross stuff that comes out of team speak and stuff like that All right, we are done with the microsoft e3 announcements But not done with the microsoft announcements microsoft announced that they have agreed to buy linkedin for 26.2 billion dollars in cash Uh, that it's arguable whether that's the biggest acquisition They've ever made if you adjust for inflationary dollars in their long history Uh, but it's certainly the largest in a long time way bigger than what they paid for nokia Jeff weiner will stay on as ceo of linkedin reporting to sachin adela They say linkedin will maintain independent branding and corporate culture Microsoft did detail how it plans to use linkedin's social graph as an integrated sales tool with dynamics their crm And linkedin owns online starting learning site linda.com. So you can imagine they might want to Use that to promote some of their software or educate people about microsoft software in a memo to employees Nadella indicated linkedin would feed into office as well. So there you go Uh, both boards approved the agreement and it's expected to close by the end of 2016 I mean they bought linkedin justin now paul thorot on thorot.com Says they're making the same mistake again Uh, they're buying something that they don't need and aren't going to be able to integrate well same as they did with skype What I would say as much as thorot knows more about microsoft and microsoft culture than I will uh, he has forgotten more than I will ever know uh this Linkedin is in and of itself a successful company, right? I mean the reason why this price is so high is because you are adjusting for projected revenue over a certain amount of years skype has always been a troubled weird company that as a duly popular As it is hard to integrate it to anything It's a reason why google didn't buy it initially despite the fact that it would have seemed to be a very interesting Acquisition for them and this is pre google talk It's just because their architecture skype's architecture has and even now is just hard to update for the modern era Linkedin on the other hand Seems to me like a smarter buy it it also in the modern world of acquisitions Which we have seen facebook do very very well Just add it to the portfolio let it operate right next to you if it's already making money It's not like being owned by microsoft is immediately going to make it make less money Microsoft already does a tremendous amount in terms of selling the enterprise if linkedin can just give them data that makes that Smarter richer or more interesting that seems like a bonus if anything you can debate whether or not 26.2 billion And exactly how that deal went down is maybe paying too much for it But as far as what linkedin is it exists successfully I I can't see why I mean, yeah, if the rock's right and what they really want to do is fold it into the borg Yeah, that'll be a disaster But if they want to just let it do what it's going to do Why isn't this a bad? Why isn't this a good idea? No, you took the words right out of my mouth I I fully respect paul too, and I think he's probably right I'm afraid he's going to be right But i'm hoping you what you just described is what they do and nadella does things differently So that may be the case where they they don't pull linkedin into office They just use it as something that can complement office, but not at the expense of the linkedin product They don't change the linkedin product They leave it where it is now you get some arguments that people say uh linkedin stale They they haven't been growing as fast as they should So so that could be another wrinkle in this that undermines it for microsoft But if linkedin stays strong as linkedin and can get a little boost By the synergies etc as long as they let it go then yeah, I think it could be something where like minecraft Yep, you've got a property that can survive on its own And be a good piece of diversification for you should other elements of the company start to fade You know all right, so let's also have a linkedin conversation right now linkedin very much Is a company that gets a bad reputation because of their spammy emails and and because it is thought to be this this uh stale weird uh spammy operation Linkedin is the modern resume Linkedin is the modern way that you can look for jobs What it has done very effectively is work itself in to mainstream corporate culture And when you can say it's not growing. Maybe it's become stale In that world it will also take a long time for it to filter out People will be looking at that because it is not exactly a bleeding edge tech Savvy society linkedin crack that code So if if that's what it is and it's making that cash like I don't know I mean, it's it's obviously not the two most popular actors in the world of the tech scene right But you know, listen, they they are both very successful and I can't see as long as they maintain A separation of church and state why it can't continue to be both. Yeah, and big jim in the chat room Pointed out. It's important to note Which person Jeff weiner is reporting to he's reporting to nadella This is not oh, and and they'll be folded into the services group. They are the cloud group That that that I think tells you that they plan at least for the time being they can always change their mind But at least for the time being linkedin is going to continue to be linkedin and that's what they keep saying Uh, yeah, all right one last thing and and I can under see where we're we're the rocks coming from because if if now Oh to have an online awesome networked resume. You have to be using Microsoft products. That is a disaster Yeah, absolutely absolutely even just part way down that road is a problem. Yeah Hungary passed legislation monday giving the national communications authority the power to block internet access to quote illegal dispatcher services The move comes in response to demands from taxi drivers to outlaw uber Services without mermaids will be first fined and then have their internet access blocked for a year uber told Reuters that uh its drivers have permits to drive taxis the new legislation comes into effect In 31 days now. Hungary's got some uh, some interesting governmental controversies going on outside of the world of technology That I think bear on this a little bit Just wanting to control certain elements of the society usually involving the press But I very curious about uber saying yeah, we've got the permits and a Hungary saying well, we're going to require them to have permits So somebody's missing something here, and I don't know if it's the taxi drivers saying yeah They say they have permits, but they don't and once we get this law we can prove it. I don't know Very often what I find these kinds of stories are Both a they're tricky to report. They're tricky to really keep a handle on when you're doing analysis like we are here but this always just feels like Doing business in different countries with different cultures with different governments Are you know, they're all their own little dance steps and and who knows if this is just what that is is You know one powerful lobby saying to the government that uber needs to be shut down And this is maybe the government's way of saying hey look we're doing We're cracking down on them and uber saying well, yeah, okay Well, we talked to this guy and next thing you know, we all got taxi licenses. So who knows I got a couple more stories out of e3 before we're done here meta makers of the meta 2 headset that does vr And ar raised 50 million dollars company says they're going to use that money To enter china and continue to develop their next headset the meta 3 Meanwhile the osvr open source vr developers headset hdk 2 will be available in july for $399 has 21 60 by 1200 OLED panels at 441 pixels per inch with a 110 degree field of view supporting nine frames per second the hdk Does not come with headphones or a controller But you can plug your own headphones in and uh used, you know, and if you're on windows You can use an xbox controller if you already have one so hence the cheaper price, but even at 400 dollars That's quite a bit lower. Even if you have to provide your headphones and controller yourself Yeah, you know, I I think this all of these products will be dependent on developers If there is an over abundance of vr games and experiences then the devices like this will thrive if it remains pooled or limited within the oculus vive PlayStation Ecosystems then these will not do nearly as well. Yeah, and we're going to see Loads of vr coming out of e3. There's no doubt about that Speaking of the vibe at their e3 press conference Bethesda softworks announced that fallout 4 Is coming to the hdc vive in 2017? The company also announced new dlc for the game with uh contraptions workshop Voltec workshop and nuco world coming out through the summer finally their mobile game fallout shelter will come to pc Next month I thought they were doing a new mobile game when I first glanced over these headlines and I got really excited fallout shelter coming to the pc is not bad, but uh, I love fallout shelter.  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It's from thinnice Who points out that a big part of the shock Of the refresh of the ps4 and now the xbox one is that the last console cycle was very long If you look up the history of nintendo sega playstation atari, etc The one thing that stands out is the eight years for both the playstation 3 and xbox 360 Before then sega was a steady four-year refresh cycle Uh, and nintendo and sony were about on five The other aspect that people seem to forget is the xbox 360 received several redesigns during its life cycle Maybe you forget this because microsoft replaced it so many times for you Uh, or you bought a new one every couple of years anyway But the original version did not ship with hdmi later versions did That's very analogous to adding 4k in a way. Uh, this also allowed better 1080p upscaling something that the original xbox 360 lacked He says the last generation's long cycle was beneficial in many ways, but it also hurt gaming as a pc gamer I for one was grateful to see this generation arrive because the last three years of the previous cycle were terrible The ports we got with their washout textures and low resolution models were really awful And then he says, you know what these new consoles aren't great with their eight gigs of ram Uh, you know driving 1080p gaming at 30 or 60 hertz says that's something that's hurt the xbox one Especially so then it says start looking forward to more regular purchases of consoles and more remastered games Now with better graphics and enhanced shaders while still being able to play your older games so, uh, I mean this obviously the Uh, I will I will politically say that the gaming crowd can often be Uh, uh loud and uh hair triggered This seems like just the logical move though Yeah, and and one that ultimately better serves everybody who wants the best console gaming experience You know what if I could defend the loudness It would be to say That kind of pressure has made sure that both sony and microsoft are bending over backwards to say Everything you can do with the new consoles you can do with the console you have today We're not going to leave you behind and I think that pressure will will keep up They're they're they're may it's forcing them to just say all we're doing is making consoles that have better Video uh that that have better options But we're not making them with new functions that won't work on the older machines And that's ultimately what by giving them different names and and essentially creating a yearly product cycle for consoles They are giving themselves or buying themselves The ability to hype the new feature to hype the new thing now They were very reluctant to do that initially and the reason why they just made new versions of xboxes instead of saying This is the xbox uh 360 and 1 and 360 and 2 right Uh is because they didn't want to face backlash and they didn't want to make it seem like they were leaving people behind It was like look it's the same thing, but now I have minor minor things a new coat of paint an hdmi board look at that They want to be able to yell and scream about these devices every single year and that's and that's what they're doing But I don't think that they would be able to do that without Making the the the peripheral the the peripheral market compatible throughout all of them because like that would always be The biggest complaint and and it doesn't make sense for them to Like step out on a stage and say love us for these things if they're just going to get tomatoes thrown at them Well, we're going to talk more about this tomorrow with patrick beija Who has been covering these live at frogpants.com slash live with scott johnson So tomorrow patrick beija and paul spain from new zealand who's been at e3 We'll join us. 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You can give us a call 51259 daily That's 5932459 catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphagicradio.com and diamondclub.tv and visit our website dailytechnewshow.com Like I said back tomorrow with patrick beija and paul spain talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at the frog pants dot com As you have enjoyed this program Yes, we did it.  Yeah. Yeah That's huge huge See what else that linked in Mike's us off finally remember when we were joking and everyone was like, oh my god What a how how insane is zuckerberg for spending two billion on instagram? right Which worked out great so far like no i mean not been a problem.  We got new hardware hungry for a lift Defending a lot of upgrade now to throw more shade Microsoft adds linked in to its network I'm trying to spin off the uh Tom, please add me to your linkedin network Uh Add microsoft to your linkedin linkedin network msn microsoft network Microsoft finally gets linked in linkedin with microsoft I don't know. What do you guys like anything? Nothing really jumps out at me. Yeah, I'm tempted at this point to just say wwc and xbox e3 Uh, yeah, they're rimes Hold on. I have to take a call from brian brushwood.  We're still uh going in the post show, man Oh, hey, okay. Yeah, sorry. Okay. Yeah. I'm brian brushwood and this is okay. Cool. Bye He's like oops called too early Microsoft friends linkedin My the top getting is microsoft finally gets linkedin by big jim Well, should we go with that or just wwc and xbox e3? Yeah, you can do that But there won't be any i'm always for a I'm always for lame or titles. I'm like i'm like mr. Lame bottle. So you want the one I came up with?  I'm here for you Like like file names, right like right I don't put too much Stock in and how much that does for a podcast Because yeah, but but yeah Sometimes when it gets when it gets difficult when there's nothing just like really grabbing you and especially on a day like today When we have so much going on That well, even like for us, right? Like if we want to look up to say like, you know, we want to go back and and say Oh, look, we were right about this linkedin thing or we really good point about this when we first talked about it Like if it's called like, you know, uh, linkedin for such a silly goose Vive fall out something Like then then we're not going to be able to find it Such a goose That's your goose gets linkedy three Uh, all right, uh, i'm gonna i'm gonna tap out and go get some food All right, man. 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A chi wedi wnaeth gafod ein bod yn y trafyn rydyn ahogwch oherwydd ei wneud i'r enghraifftus fel y bach. Euron hefyd wedi ei wneud i'r ples i'r ples. Felly mae'r rôl i'r gwyllfa mewn gweld fel gwylliant awn oherwydd mae wedi wneud i'r gyfreid. Mae'r gwylliant sy'n ei wneud i'r gwylliant a'w ei iddynt eich cwmpiwn! Dwi yn eich gafod ni'n credu nad os mae'n ymgareddwataeth wedi'i gael ei parol o', Fy fyddai i hyn. Felly, rwy'n edrych yn gweithio yn ymdillfynig ac yn wneud yn edrych. How important is it having those sort of pattern to play that you're working on? Obviously seeing it coming to a version in the game must be really good to see it pay off. Yeah, I think it brings confidence throughout the group that you see the things that we're working on in training. Come together most importantly getting three points so yeah we're delighted, we'll keep going. We've got another tough game Friday night and it's another one we're looking forward to. We'll play the same way and hopefully we'll win the match for it. How do you say the performance as well? It's not an easy place to come and proud getting top of the pitch and all that kind of stuff. It seems that quite a controlled away performance and striking when we got our moments kind of thing. Yeah I think we scored two good goals, I think just after half time we had to weld the stone a bit. Got a lot of set pieces. They put good delivers into the box. Fy o phwyr ple ti'r harry, he commanded these books well, JT, Blattie, Keenan Kerley all done their jobs well. Thankfully me and Andy done our job at the other end. Cyngor o'r ddaf yn혀 yn amser yn y rhwng drwydd iawn? Yn nhw'n unrhyw dechrau'n gwynt ai'r ddweud o'r ddweud i chi'n byw sy'n ei dwydd iawn, ar y ddechrau'n iechyd a'r ff mineral, rhaid i ddweud ar y ddweud o ychwanerio'n ddod o'r bwysig i'r ddigwydd Mae'n ddigwydd i'r ddweud, mae wedi'u'n gwneud yma eu ddim yn chydig, mae'n'en jyst iawn i'r ddweud i'r gyfer gwahanau, ond rydw i'r cyfnod Felly we can keep doing that, and if somebody doesn't do their job, I'm sure they got full term, so yeah, we're delighted with the way it's going, it's only four or five games, if we want to push full up the table, we need to keep going, so yeah, we're looking forward to the game off either. It seems like a lot of depth as well in competition for places, they're the minute the lads coming off the bench, the lads not coming off the bench, the lads not making the 18, how good is that really in terms of relishing the competition for places and keeping everybody on the toes in the score? Yeah, it's healthy competition, I think you've seen today, Chappy and Bobby never made the substitute bench and they're two quality players, so we've got a great group of lads, a lot of quality throughout and if somebody gets injured, a suspension as you've seen with Fasthail today, somebody can come in and do their job just as well, so yeah, that's what you want as a group. You mentioned Doncaster back out on Friday, I guess when you're in the form and the way that we're playing at the minute, the confidence we have, five wins in a row, you relish every opportunity, don't you? Yeah, I think the way we're playing, we just want to get back out on the grass, obviously disappointed last week that the game was postponed for that reason, so yeah, we're looking forward to the game on Friday night, we'll take a good follow on that and know it's up to us to keep doing the right things and hopefully win another sport.


First semi-final then here, Mati Zegar, 28 points in the last two GPs with a semi-final to come here off the inside gate. Chris Holder, a torrent rider, riding beautifully tonight, gate two blue, Freddie Lingren, gate three wide, nine points for fast Freddie. And Bartosz Smarslik, the brilliant youngster from Gorzhov here in Poland, outside in yellow. And Smarslik, really chasing now a potential medal in the world championship. Yeah, we're Wuffenden out and can't score any more points. Yes, Smarslik is on the chase for the Rostrum and he will be aware of that. And he's ridden really well against tonight, Lingren, seen the championship standings. He's there in fourth place and six points behind Ty Wuffenden. So Wuffenden can't score again. So with the possibility of two more rides and Holder as well will be chasing a bronze medal at the very least. Here we go, Zegar on the inside, he's favourite. Semi-final number one here in Torren. And it's a great start from Holder off gate number two, but Zegar just jumps in wide. Steady move and the inside in yellow is Bartosz Smarslik. What a move from the brilliant young Paul. The lead is with Matty Zegar. Watch out for Lingren Naird. Smarslik second, but the lead is with the rejuvenated, revived. Matty Zegar, but for how long? Stuff out in front from Zegar. Great move from Bartosz Smarslik.  He's raised the rope here in Torren. He's going to go. What a ride from Bartosz Smarslik. Superb. Yeah, brilliant. Bartosz Smarslik the winner. Matty Zegar was second. Chris Holder was third there. Freddie Lingren at the back. Zegar moves on to 15 points. Smarslik on to 12. What a ride that was. He never gives up, the youngster. Hancock, Everson, Pavlicki, yep to the answer. Let's try again. Yeah, let's do that. And I'm interested to see what happens this time. Let's hope that all four riders get round the first corner safely. Hancock has now recomposed himself. Inside gate for Greg, needs to take advantage of that. Here we go. Semi final number two. Hancock's made a lovely start again and Everson has gone wide. On the inside comes Pavlicki, but the old master claps the line. Watch out for Everson down the back straight. Is there room for Niels Christian Everson outside? Hancock holds the line. That's immaculate riding for Greg Hancock. Everson tries the inside switch. Yep to the answer, he's third. And Piotr Pavlicki at the back. But Niels Christian Everson tries the nip of the inside. And Greg Hancock, the wheel to wheel down the back straight. Everson's going to take him wide. Hancock ready beautifully. Fantastic move from Everson. Now Hancock switches back to the inside. That's Kexman Speedway. From two masters of their art. Piotr opening back and a half of Speedway there. Hancock desperately hanging on to the front. Really knows how important this race is. Claps the line. Everson searching for more speed. We're into the last lap. Gibson gets it in third place. But Hancock and Everson putting on a terrific display of Speedway. Everson's got loads of speed. Now this will be the key. Hancock is going to clap the line. Is there room on the inside? There isn't. Greg Hancock to the line. Play across the line, but I'm pretty sure from where we are. Yeah. We're overlooking the start finish line. So Hancock looks over his shoulder. There's the win. Red, blue and who gets third here? Whoa. That's very tight. Very tight. This is a fantastic line up for the final race here in Europe. For the world championship this year. What a night. What a final we've got to look forward to. The grand final and the final Grand Prix in Europe this year. All roads lead to Melbourne in three weeks' time. And what sort of lead will Greg Hancock have ahead of Jason Doyle in the Etihad? He's on nine points clear in the moment. Can he make it 12? Greg Hancock off the inside. Bartosz Marslik chasing a bronze medal at the least of two. Niels Krzysztolews and Gatry White in the brilliant Mati Zegar.  He's off the outside. Hancock favourite off one perhaps. Tough one to call, but Hancock in the box seat on the inside. Here we go. The grand final here. Oh, little for a boomer there. And it's Hancock who's got the lead. Greg Arquois let the race go. Hancock has the advantage now. Everson's going to try the outside run. Zegar tries the inside on Marslik. Oh, is Everson going to go down? No, he's stayed up. And he's on the verge of leading the championship by 12 points with one round to go. But the start of Danny was very shamboy. He's sensational victory here. He's only won four in his career. And he's 69th world prize. It's a fifth win of his career for Niels Krzysztolews. Unbeaten and 21 point home. Congratulations to Niels Krzysztolews.


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Young This is Grizzlies Rookie Auto Zyre Williams Rookie Silver Joe Weiskamp Last box Do you have a couple cards to random After this before we do the hit recap Kevin Durant Franz Wagner Rookie This is to 49 Full Spectrum Auto Dominique Wilkins Hers I don't remember Wilkins playing for Anybody with the Hawks I mean I believe him There's a picture but I don't remember it Alright we'll random that one at the end There's Pascal Siakam 35 Again I'm going to break his scoring record Terry Rozier Jalen Green Rookie I mean in 2K This is 75 Rookie Jersey Auto Trey Mann This is Rookie 75th Cade Cunningham There you go Pistons No Pascal Siakam Steph Curry And Hornets To 99 Rookie Auto No Jersey, he's wearing a Jersey But Rookie Auto A very surprised Scottie Lewis There's Scottie Barnes Rookie to 99 Raptors Nice one Toronto Alright last pack of Spectra I'm a little bummed this is the last pack of Spectra Clint Capella Ayo Yasunmu This is to 99 Bulls Catalyst Auto Horace Grant Chris Paul Silver on the back And that will do it For Spectra basketball That was Tim Hardaway full Spectrum Warriors in Heat And Jalen Rose full Spectrum Nuggets and Sons Yeah the parallels were awesome I found myself like Oh and then there's the Dominique Wilkins Full Spectrum that was Hawks and Spurs But I found myself like getting to the end of the box Or the end of the pack Where I was looking forward to seeing what parallels Coming out more than what the hit was Yeah the parallels I think it's because the parallels are only of Really really good players Like every single time it's been like Really good player Jahl LeBron Or a really good rookie Yeah Spectra number 6 we had Hardaway Was Warriors Heat Spectra number 6 Rose Nuggets and Sons And Spectra number 6 Wilkins That was Hawks Spurs Alright Alright We will randomize On the Hardaway Three times Good luck One, two and three Heat get the hardaway On the Rose Eight times Good luck there's one Two, three, four Five, six, seven Eight Sons And on the Wilkins Six times Yeah They crushed it with Spectra this year One, two, three Four, five, six Spurs Get the Wilkins Alright let's do a recap Certified football is coming up after this So many mags for every break It's awesome We had Full Spectrum Auto Dominique Wilkins That went to the Spurs Scottie Lewis Full Spectrum Auto Jalen Rose That went to the Sons Full Spectrum Auto Tim Hardaway Went to the Heat Then we had Catalyst Auto Horace Grant Bulls Blazers Rookie Jersey Auto Keon Johnson Pacers Auto Miles Turner Hornets Radiant Rookie Auto JT Thor Clippers Rookie Jersey Auto Brandon Boston Jr Full Spectrum Auto Mono Ginobli Spurs That was a Kyle Kuzma Marvel 5 That was Wizards Sons, Auto, Omari Sodomire Clippers Radiant Auto, Amir Coffee That was Gold 10 Cavs Meta, Auto to 25, Larry Markinon Rockets Rookie Jersey Auto Dennis Rodman Gold 10 Nuggets Icons Auto Alex English Magic Auto Wendell Carter Jr Rookie Jersey Auto Trey Mann Grizzlies Rookie Auto Zire Williams Pacers Auto Dwayne Washington Nets Rookie Jersey Auto Dearon Sharp Pistons Purple to 35 Rockets Rookie Auto Alperin Shangu Kings Auto Reggithius Pistons Rookie Patch Auto Luca Garza to 35 Mavericks Auto Maxi Cleaver Grizzlies Rookie Patch Auto Santiago Dama to 49 Nicks Rookie Patch Auto Miles McBride Wags Raptors Rookie to 99 Scotty Barnes Pistons Rookie to 49 Kate Cunningham Magic Rookie Auto Pink Jalen Suggs to 25 LeBron James Lakers to 99 LeBron James Cavs Spectacular debut 35 25 3 numbered LeBron Parallels Rockets Rookie Jersey Auto to 99 Jalen Green Raptors Rookie to 49 Scotty Barnes Bulls Icons Auto Dennis Rodman Rodbob to 49 Hawks Auto Bogdan Bogdanovich Marble to 5 John Collins Nebula one of one Hawks and Scotty Barnes aspiring Rookie Auto to 99 for the Raptors that does it for Spectra basketball thank you everybody appreciate it we're going to get our first look at certified football up next


Welcome. I'm Chris Aguinaldo. I'm the host of Aloha United We Stand, brought to you by the Aloha United Way and Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness for issues here in Hawaii. And don't forget you can join the conversation on Twitter at Think Tech HI. I'm also there at Chris Aguinaldo, and we'll also take a look at your tweets while we have the program. Today we're welcoming Hinamaoka, which is an organization that provides treatment for addiction recovery here in Hawaii. We'll have a couple of people from the organization in this first part of the program, and we'll talk to a couple of clients in the later part of the program. Right now I'd like to introduce Alan Johnson, the CEO of Hinamaoka and Erica Vargas. Welcome to our program. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having us. Now Alan, you folks have been in Hawaii, I understand, about four decades now. Could you give our audience who are not familiar with the organization what you folks do and what has how you've expanded in the last four decades? Yes, so you know initially we started as a volunteer program in the Hawaii State Hospital because in 1969 it was illegal to be an alcoholic, and so they put you in jail. And so in 1969 Hawaii was the first state that said it's a medical disease, but they couldn't just release you from prison because you'd been convicted, so they put you in the Hawaii State Hospital, and we started as a volunteer program until there was no more room, and then we separated and started our own services. So that's how Hinamaoka got started. And today we still have a problem with a lot of addicts in jail. But we have residential services, we have a 48 bed, we're building 16 new beds, we have we have two outpatient programs. We also are in the high school, public high schools and public middle school full-on treatments. So this is outreach, this is not just only adults we're talking about, but prevention programs for an outreach. The public high school and middle schools are actually treatment programs in those schools. We have a classroom, but we also do prevention as well separately from that. So and we do a community-based adolescent program. So we're quite large with the 20-some sites, so we're spread out. So these sites, where are they throughout the island? Most of them are here on Oahu. We do have our team on the manager of the adults program. We have a manager for our teen care as well, and teen care is spread out throughout the island of Oahu as well as on Kauai. So they're in a couple, they're school-based in Kauai. Oh and we have 50 beds in the women's prison? Yes, and we have 50 beds. Erica, can you talk about that women's prison outreach, please? Sure, we have what's called a therapeutic community over at the women's prison, women's correctional. We have the capacity to service 50 of the women they're taking, you know, they apply from general population to get into our program. And it's about nine to 12 months of treatment while they're incarcerated. What's part of that? What do they go through during those nine months? Is it really counseling or what sort of things are being done with your clients? They're receiving one-on-one counseling, they're receiving a lot of group psycho education on substance abuse, also to address their criminal thinking. So everything is based out of curriculum, evidence-based practices. They also get, you know, trauma work as well as, so trauma treatment, as well as just general emotion management. The great thing about that is these 50 beds are separate from the regular population. And so we develop a very trustful supportive relationship. We build this whole new culture for this 18 months. It's really, it's a bit got national claim for what could be done in prisons and how it can be transformative. Now, Alan, I'd like to talk to you and thank you for mentioning that and giving history about how alcoholism was first viewed in the in the beginning when you folks started. What is this perception that it sounds like that you're trying to change that in the beginning prison really isn't the answer or within, you know, back then and now treating those who are like the women that you're walking through and having them addressed, you know, their issues of addiction. Why is it important to treat the person and not have that, okay, that stigmatism of a crime or prison. It's just treating the person and not not saying, hey, we go send you to jail. That's not treatment. Well, how important is it? Well, it's extremely important because we in the last few years, we've done great science to know it as a brain disease. We now even have medication that help assist treatment to help deal with the cravings of that. As we begin to understand addiction versus abuse, we begin to see it is a brain disease and you don't have control of your brain. And it's kind of like this is that we have, if you're diabetic, yeah, you shouldn't be taking sugar or white flour or white rice here and, you know, we need to exercise. But once you have diabetes, now we give you doctor and medical care. We work, we give you medications for your diabetes. And that's not really happened in our field very well, that we don't consider it that now that you reach addiction, it's a brain disease and it's a medical, you need medical treatment. And that would be a great response to doing that. And so what we're finding for the federal government just past three months ago, huge legislation that says we're not going to use treatment instead of criminal justice in the federal, you know, penitentiaries.  Versus, are you a criminal with a drug addiction? Those are two different distinctions. So if it's the latter, then I think we could do a lot to not be so overcrowded. Specifically in Hawaii, what are the levels that you see? I understand that we have a very high crystal methamphetamine use. What kind of level of use do you see this abuse addiction in our population just here in Hawaii? I have to assume the numbers. So sorry. It's the worry. We'll get to you with this. We're gonna talk about how we treat and help those folks. That would be all yours. So of course, if you're talking about the people and how much abuse it is, it's alcohol is huge. But if you're talking about how many people have an addiction and now need treatment, it's you know, the adults is 50% of that is methamphetamine for the kids in the schools, probably 50 to 55% of its marijuana where they're having major problems with marijuana as kids. But for adults, definitely methamphetamines an issue. So once, you know, those get introduced into people's lives, parents, teens, whomever, whether it is alcohol, whether it is crystal meth marijuana. What is the process of reaching out and getting getting help? How does someone who says, you know, I've had it. I don't want this anymore. How do they hook up with you? And how do you walk them through and get them into your care? We have great relationships with our community partners. You know, public safety is always referring to us. We have a lot of the case management, the agencies refer to us. And we have an open clinic. So you just walk right through all they have to do. Well, it's right. We have one based in Kaneohe and in Waipahu. So it's right at our treatment centers, they you just got to walk in the door and say, I need help. And someone hands you a packet. And that's how it all starts. It's pretty simple to get started. And then we'll walk them through the rest of the process. Now, what kind of people are there? You would they walk in? Who will they meet? Will they meet people like medical professionals, counselors, folks like that? Or will you help connect them? Well, we have our front desk, who is amazing at the job that she does very welcoming, really embodies the aloha spirit. She is just a regular person that works for us. So, you know, she's coming in, she knows, understand, she's, you know, been doing this for a long time, and she can definitely help anybody through the getting started process. Well, but you know, she just, just getting you connected. Yeah. So now you have a counselor that has a master level degrees, has licensures, has a state certified substance abuse counselor. So this is not just one, one little space. It's not one little office. Once your friendly staff welcomes a person, they have access to all of this. Yeah, they've access to that. And then today, you know, coming into treatment is way different than it was. I mean, I've been doing this for 20 years. So years ago, you were an alcoholic. And then we just said, Okay, it looks like you need treatment come in. But today, we need medical reports. People come in, they have diabetes, they have depression, they have PTSD, they have COPD, they have heart disease, kidney disease. So we're one of the few facilities that's treating all of that. So now if you've got comorbidity issues, you're going to see a nurse, you've got psychiatric issues, you're going to see our psychiatrist. So that can be, it can be a process simple that, you know, you only have an addiction. That's pretty rare. Or it can be a very complicated process. And we're going to need some time to, and some medical evaluations to get you in the car. But the first step is you can walk into your, your offices and just say, I need help. Yes, that's it. How do we contact? What's the website on that? Any, any address you want to give out? You can download our application at Hinamalka.org. So this is an app on the phone? Well, no. So on our website, we have Yeah, the application is actually posted on the website. Anybody can download it. You can download it yourself if you're working with a case manager, they can help you fill it out. And you can email it, fax it in, you can walk it in. But we're, you know, using all sorts of avenues to just get people in the door. How was that? A lot of people who have come to us through their family members. I mean, it really is. Or your physician who's saying, okay, look, I think you need some more care.  They're saying, you know, this has been your couple times. You know, you have major issues, you're using the emergency room a lot. Looks like you have medical issues, but you've got this drug problem first. And you need attention for that. So we're way better at being connected to all those folks nowadays. That sounds like that you have a lot of community partners, folks in the community that you are working with. I understand, you know, just talking about folks in the community who are supporting you. You have a fundraiser coming up. This is on October 22nd, your fourth annual Lula. Can you let us know, our viewers know more about that? Yes, it's at Coalina. We have a great bank of Hena and we have Tony Ocas for food. It's a lot of people who come out and support us. We have a lot of fun. It's October 22nd. And it's a major fundraiser. A lot of people come to us. They don't have money for medication. Some of the people come are homeless. They don't have anything. And this helps pay for all that. So the proceeds benefit the funding for all these different things that we've talked about. Go directly to our patients or sometimes we call them clients, but it's really patients and what their needs are and how they need so much. And you mentioned some of them cannot afford some of these services. Yeah, so, you know, government helps pay for if you're uninsured, but with healthcare reform a lot of people have Medicaid or quest insurance, but they don't have any, they don't have for just basic amenities. You know, and some people have got their family support. Some don't and so they need more. So really, from what you're saying and what I've read is that the substance abuse, these addiction issues go across, all across the entire socioeconomic spectrum. They do, although we are seeing an up kick in, you know, OxyContin, you know, all the opioids, the painkillers are coming and now we're starting to see elderly people using methamphetamine, which what we believe is happening is that there's a certain, a part of our population that has a sensitivity to addiction and you may be elderly and you never really abused drugs, so you never had a problem, but now you have problems with pain and now you're taking too much medication. You get an addiction and so now we're starting and then you can't get enough painkillers, so you move into methamphetamine, your grandson gets you hooked up with methamphetamine and then you show up at Hinamoka. So now we're treating grandma and grandpa. So after the break, we're going to take a break so we can hear more about our other programs and hosts here at Think Tech Hawaii, but after the break we're going to talk to a couple of folks who've gone through your programs, correct? Yes. So please join us. Again, this is a short break. Thank you, you too, and thank you for watching Think Tech Hawaii. Aloha, my name is Josh Green. I serve a senator from the Big Island on the Kona side and I'm also an emergency room physician. My program here on Think Tech is called Health Care in Hawaii. I'll have guests that should be interesting to you twice a month. We'll talk about issues that range from mental health care to drug addiction to our health care system and any challenges that we face here in Hawaii. We hope you'll join us. Again, thanks for supporting Think Tech. Hi, I'm Donna Blanchard. I'm the host of Center Stage, which is on Wednesdays at 2 o'clock here on Think Tech. On Center Stage I talk with artists about not only what they do and how they do it, but the meat of the conversation for me is why they do it, why we go through this. A lot of us are not making our livings doing this and a lot of us would do this with our last dying breath if we had to that choice. And that's what I love to talk to people about. I hope you enjoy watching it and I hope you get inspired because there's an artist inside you too. Join us on Center Stage at 2 o'clock on Wednesdays. Bye. Aloha. My name is Mark Shklav. I am the host of Law Across the Sea. Please join me every other Monday to hear lawyers from Hawaii discussing ways to reach across the sea and help people and bring people together. Aloha. Hello. My name is Crystal. Let me tell you my talk show. I'm all about health. It's healthy to talk about sex. It's healthy to talk about things that people don't talk about. It's healthy to discuss things that you think are unhealthy because you need to talk about it. So I welcome you to watch Quok Talk and engage in some provocative discussions on things that do relate to healthy issues and have a well-balanced attitude in life. Join me. Welcome back. I'm your host Chris Aguinaldo and this is Aloha United We Stand. Before the break we were talking with Hina Malka and their substance and recovery programs offered through the organization. We're joined now by a couple of friends of the organization. We have Alfred Hulpe and Michelle Navarro. Welcome to the program. Thank you for having me. Now, you too have been involved with the organization. I'd like to know what your involvement is. Alfred, let's start with you. I have been a client there. I was a patient back in 2002. I went to the program with Hina Malka. Now I'm an employer there. So I work there. It's time for me to get back here because I know it's very challenging out there and I wanted that change. So great treatment because I've identified that I had a problem. Now Erika in our last portion said people just need to come to the organization. They need to reach out. What was your story of reaching out and how did you know? How did it affect you? How did you know that you needed to put your hand on and say I need some help? I knew because it took me like after I lost my mom. So I became very rebellious over my dad and you know I started losing a lot of stuff and you know one thing led to another. I got incarcerated and I needed to find myself. So when I was staying at the shelter and I just reached out to this one woman named and she told me she said you know she did an assessment on me and then that's when my journey started and two days later I came and I became one of the patients there at Hina Malka and I went to the program. I did everything that was suggested to me to do and I did everything possible because I wanted to get my family back. What was that process? So what did when you say what did they have? You did everything that they asked you to do. What were the things that you needed to do? First I did an assessment. Once the assessment was done I went there to Hina Malka.  It was taking my family away from me. So being that I could identify that problem I went to the program with Hina Malka and eventually I graduated with them and with the VA so they called it what I killed two birds with one stone. And that's amazing you know and it taught me a lot and it gave me the person I needed to be and gave the brother that my siblings wanted to have back. So it was a it was a journey for me but you know what my journey doesn't stop there it continues because now I say I'm employed there and I'm it's giving back to the ones that's coming into the doors and you know let them know that there's a better way of life. How was it to have a group that could help you in that way? Amazing it's really amazing especially my counselor you know she she's taught me a lot what I needed to do and what I needed to to build on my my self-esteem because my self-esteem alone was really low here at that time and she bought me to to a breaking point to to know what was really going on with Alfred yeah. Alfred it sounds like you were able to hook up with a good good amount of people who are able to see you as a person and walk you through this process. Yes I have and then when I left treatment I ran a clean and sober house and I've been in contact with probation and all these other clean and sober houses and they restarted telling me that I had a good house so they wanted to bring people there and you know if I could help the world I'd bring everyone there at one time I would but you know it's very limited with people yeah that's coming there so I just keep in touch with them once once that open it happens then I bring them in. Michelle is your experience similar of meeting nice people helpful people at the at the organization? Oh yes I've served at various capacities I was once an employee of Hinamaka and you were an employee there. Over ten years ago it's a wonderful organization it's like the Ohana style of getting better that wrap around in care and service you know once you open yourself up to the idea that you know for me it was knowing that I was the problem and the alcohol and the drugs were just symptoms to the problem. How were you organized? How were you introduced to Hinamaka? I live on the island of Maui and having worked at other organizations I was asked by their clinical director at the time on Maui to work with them you know there's there's a special thing about counselors who come into the field who have been a part of the program and there are people who haven't had the issues that we do as recovering alcoholics and addicts who do just wonderful work but I was asked to go and work with the organization at the time they had an outpatient program on the island of Maui and I did I like Alfred I feel like part of the process of getting clean and sober is is being able to give that back because we're told in the program that in order to keep what you have you have to give it away and so it's just another alcoholic and addict helping another you know it's that reciprocity of of sobriety that that we can live. You feel that you have an understanding you've been there and you want to share that with someone who might be going through something that you remember going through. There's that understanding yes but for me through my education and there's there's a piece of me now that I don't readily share where I've been we walk the same walk we talk the same language but getting clean and sober is not about me anymore it's about the consumer about the client and once like I said you know we we speak the same language so I don't say that hey I'm in recovery too because a person's ability to get clean and sober solely depends and relies upon their ability to do that for themselves. So as much help as you too as much as Hinamaoka can give it still comes to the person inside wanting to go beyond this addiction they want to recover. Hinamaoka is is a tool it's a place a safe space in place for someone to do that at it has to come from the individual otherwise success will be limited you know but it's not to say that if you don't succeed at treatment the first or second or third time that you're not successful you just slowly chip at it you know slowly chip at the ability to remain clean and sober that's key anybody can get clean and sober it's staying clean and sober but what are the challenges either one of you I like what you said Michelle and that we have to address that long term what you said that you can get clean at any any time but it's that continuing to be clean continuing to be part of your Ohana your community without going and back into whatever made you an addict in the first place what contributes to that how can Ohana how can the neighbors how can just all these groups uh friends I see how how does that all contribute to staying clean well like for me um like I said I do what's suggested by the program and I use it to the best of my ability I'm not perfect but you know what if I can maintain it and I can keep myself abstinence for from what I used to do before then I'm good and the only way I know how is that um I do my 12-step program and I do it with a sponsor I have a sponsor um you know I kind of hit meetings a lot of meetings you know what I mean and I do my 12-step program um I use my support net and I use that on a regular basis yeah so to keep myself from from falling back or falling short I don't want to get into the place where I start thinking about a lot of things that have happened before because when you get complacent you know it really it tears you up so when you have when you use that support net or use your sponsor yeah you call these people and you know tell them what's going on with you you know for me I feel a lot better and I can keep myself in that moment you know what I mean and I know where I where I started and I don't want to go back there again about you my show um they say early in recovery you change everything yeah people places everything playgrounds friends it's being around positive people being around people that support how I live today um telling people I don't drink I don't use drugs you know just outing yourself so that the people that you're surrounded with will support the lifestyle that we choose today and and when you feel the urge because it doesn't matter how long you've been clean and sober you still have urges but it's knowing what to do who you can call on when those urges happen earlier in the program Alan was talking about you know in different populations there's a in you know different increases in whatever substances being abused have you too with the people that you work with now the folks who you're helping right now what's their challenge today what is the most challenging thing for them right now is it you know staying staying clean or is this availability of substances that are around not having enough resources or what do you see as the big challenge for someone that you may meet today says I need your help how is it different from your experiences that's hard to measure everybody every challenge is different for every individual and it's hard to say what it could be for the most part in terms of percentage and and and what population of people can't stay clean um we've seen I've seen a lot of success I've I've seen people go in and out go in and out of using but you know every time they come back they come back with something new something new that's that's good and something new that's bad but it's hard to measure what the reason is why people can't stay clean and sober but there's still people out there who will help them oh absolutely there's many resources on a while there's a lot of resources I live on the island of Maui and we lack a lot of resources but there's many times when I do assessments and I do refer people to Oahu to get treatment because the lack of treatment the access to treatment on our island of Maui so you know there's resources but there will always be limited resources in in this in this this type of issue that that our community faces they'll we'll always lack good Alfred Michelle thank you very much for sharing your stories and thank you so much for you know continuing to work I see that the both of you want to keep contributing and helping people thank you so much for stopping by and for those of you who want to know more about Inamaka they are online at Inamaka.org you can check them out there and there's an upcoming fundraiser too and thank you very much for tuning in to Aloha United We Stand thank you