Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. Okay, everybody, I am so excited to welcome my friend who also loves thrillers, especially early 90s erotic thrillers. There's definitely some sexy stuff that we're going to talk about, which I kind of forgot existed in single white female. But everybody, welcome back to the show. My good friend, Tariq Flanagan. Hello, Tariq. Hello there. Thank you for having me back. I, like you said, give me a 90s thriller and we can talk all night. So thank you for having me. Thank you for having me back. Oh, I am so happy. Thank you for giving me your time away from your beautiful family to talk about these two crazy women. Well, I mean one crazy woman and one really crazy. One really crazy.  If you guys might remember, Tariq was on, oh God, I can't believe that was already so long ago already back in January. We talked about that was, yeah, that was like mid January. We last spoke on here. You came on the show to talk about The Hand That Rocks The Cradle, another great, oh, but you know, isn't this so, I love that this is your niche on this podcast because you just love a good early 90s thriller where two women are just going at it. Yup. Sign me up. What's it like you're going to be? Sign me up. Right.  I know we were thinking, you know, The Hand That Rocks The Cradle could have been a little problematic. I feel like single white female probably is, although it's just so fun. I kind of honestly, I'm so close to it. I kind of can't even see if there are any problems. Do you know what I mean? Right, right. It's just such a fun, like ride, right? So a fun ride. Okay. You were just in P-town with your fan and you also need to fill us in about this awesome video that I saw you posted almost like short documentary on you and Jeff and the kids. Yes. Tell me about it. Well, a friend of ours knew that it was through U.S. Bank that they were looking for a family to kind of share their pandemic story or their, you know, something that was, that grew out of the pandemic or something that was hard for them during the pandemic. So we shared that we were adopting through the pandemic and they just loved that story. They loved being able to tell that story. So yeah, they came out to our house on a Saturday morning and they filmed for the, you know how it goes. They filmed for the entire day. I was going to say it was just funny because I, it was, it was a full thing.  It was the full, the full setup, but it was great. Like they, we did the sit down interview and then they, you know, they, they had us all throughout the house feeding the kids breakfast and showing us out in the backyard. And so it was just, it was, I think they did a really great job. Like the finished product. I was like, wow, they did a really good job. And it's just really cool to have that video just to kind of have a concise version of our story. Yeah. So nicely told in this little package, you know, I'm just, it's something that's really cool to be able to, to have for the future as well. Did you see anyone you knew like, you know, since the TV film world is so small? Yeah. No, we were, I talked to a few guys and we had like connections and like, oh, I've worked at that company or I know somebody that worked at that company. Nobody I knew, you know, firsthand, but yeah, it is such a small business that we, there were, there were a few kind of connections there. That's funny. So yeah, it was, and it was just funny for us TV people to be on the other side of it, just like watching it all happen and being the person being interviewed, you know, I know after all these years of interviewing and like, can you do that again? Can you say that again? Now you have to do it. Exactly. Exactly. You know, it probably made you and probably made you a better like producer to see, right? Like, oh, I thought you were going to say a better guess. I'm like, yes, that too. Yes, definitely. Oh, yes. He's ready for any podcast, any interview. I was like, just, right, just come on, just throw it at me. And I'm remembering Tariq, isn't this your birthday month? Your birthday is later in August. It is my birthday. Wow. Oh my gosh. What a special time to be on a release date. Rewind. Yes. Let the celebrations begin. Well, happy birthday month. Happy B Day to you. Thank you so much. Now, we are going to rewind 30 years ago, all right? So go back to your early 90s looks and style and vibes because we are going back to August 14th, 1992. That is when almost exactly 30 years ago this week, the 14th is coming up in a couple days. That is when single white female came out wide and changed filmmaking, changed stilettos. That's for sure, my god. Oh, absolutely. Oh my god. So let me set the scene for you, Tariq. And feel free to chime in. I want to hear your thoughts. This is what was going on at this time 30 years ago, OK, in entertainment.  We were just talking about theater before we started. On Broadway, Miss Saigon was the most popular Broadway show that year, followed by, of course, Phantom of the Opera, the show that isn't that isn't that still on?  It really will not die. Oh, wait. But as you get to look, we're talking about it in there. That's so funny. That's that's my husband's pick. That is not my pick. I would do an X. That was brilliant. I was going to say, you can't shade it if there's the I'm looking right at the mask. But OK, that's that's I can shade it because yeah, it was not my selection. Yeah, I mean, actually, some friends are going to see that next week. And they asked me if I wanted to go for a friend's birthday. And I'm like, wow. Yeah, for a friend's birthday for maybe for a friend's birthday back in 1992. But not now on the music side, End of the Road by Boys to Men was the number one song. And that's one of those songs when it comes on. I'm like, I can sing this. Like in my mind, I'm like, I can do this. I'm going to sing this part and then I can sing this part. I'm sure it doesn't sound as great as they do. But yeah, that is such a good valid, right? On the TV side, on the TV side in a couple of weeks after this late August, we were about to get the premiere of Martin, the Martin show starring Martin Lawrence, which I remember was a big comedy for a long time on Fox. So we were about to get that. And then on the movie side, these were popular movies at the time leading up to single white females release. Of course, Death Becomes Her, which I just talked about on this pod. Love that one. You've seen it, I'm sure. Right. So good. I think so. Like, I know. I know. Wow. You and Jeff will be upset with me. I think we watched it. Like that's that's the one. Wait, don't tell me. Wait, I just do it because you're going to be upset with me. Goldie Hawn and Meryl Streep. OK, thank God, everyone. OK, yes. OK, Bruce Willis. Yes, good. Yes. OK. So I think I've seen parts of it. Parts. OK. Do yourself a favor and watch that like ASAP, like put the kids to bed or keep them up. They'll have a good time and check that out because it's so good. It really is so good. So that was a big deal. Death Becomes Her had just come out at the end of July. Unforgiven on the flip side, a movie I don't really care about. Oh, yeah. Western. I think Clint Eastwood, maybe. That was a great. Yes. That was a big deal. I think then we had some thrillers. We had some more thrillers raising Kane, which I don't think I've ever actually seen. That was with Oh, my gosh, I can picture him. Third Rock from the Sun. Oh, my gosh. John. Yes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Sounds familiar, but I don't think I ever saw it, but I remembered the poster. Well, like it's him looking. He's like a bad guy. We had unlawful entry was pretty popular. I sort of about to like leave its like run in the theaters. But I remember you mentioned that one last episode, right? So this was like the heyday of those good, simple straightforward, you know, thrillers. So that one, that was with Kurt Russell, right? And Madeleine Stowe, I think. Ray Liotta and Madeleine Stowe, yes. We had that. We had a League of their Own, not a thriller, but a great classic as well that I talked about. But a good one. And you just talked about that too, yeah. Just did that one. So those were all out. And how funny, you probably, I have a feeling you probably didn't see this or maybe you did. It's a fun movie. I feel like Jeff definitely did. This movie came out the same day as another movie I'm gonna talk about this month on the podcast, Stay Tuned. Did you ever see Stay Tuned with John Ritter? Really wacky comedy. I don't know this one. Super, super kooky. So that came out the same day as this. Obviously, Single White Female was way more popular and more successful, but there you go. But so Tariq, now I'm gonna throw it over to you in your own words for anyone who is not sure what this movie's about. Tell us what is the story? What's the plot of Single White Female? What happens? Okay, so Single White Female is about a young woman. A young woman. Bridget Fonda, who needs a roommate, basically. There's some things that went down with her boyfriend, became her ex-boyfriend. So she needs a roommate. So she interviews a couple of young ladies and then Jennifer Jason Lee shows up and just lets herself in the house and charms her way into that spare bedroom. I mean, all she had to do was just fix a leaky faucet and...  Yeah, just open the cabinet and do her twisting mechanism and wow, she got the room, yep.  Her large, dimly lit, scary apartment. Yes. That's a whole other thing. Totally, Tariq. I'm so glad you said that. The whole movie, I'm like, can someone turn some lights on in this place? I know.  But I'm like, girl, get a headboard, get some sort of actual like bed stand, because it's just two mattresses on top of each other. You are not in college anymore. And you're so right. Turn on a few lights, a nightlight, a lamp. I mean, every... Every scene is very like... It's almost like a noir. Yes, absolutely. Which, I mean, it works. But then it's also frustrated. I know we're jumping ahead out slightly here when I say this, but it's funny, because then as things really ramp up in the movie, which, oh my God, it's just absolutely iconic, I actually feel like the movie gets brighter when things are getting darker emotionally. Really, you're right. So I don't know if that was intentional, but yeah, there's a lot of moody lighting, a lot of blues and reds, which, I mean, it looks great. A lot of blues, but it's also like... Yeah, it's also like, girl, you have a...  What an interesting gadget, right? Literally, it has like a little briefcase handle, and it's almost like the first generation iPad or something, it's sort of like a... Like an iPad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, first laptop.  And we just, we learned very quickly that Hedy is a little crazy.  Yeah, for Hedgeron. Exactly, so then we watched that all play out, Hedgeron.   Like, okay. In this city, on this street, in this apartment. Hi, are you Alison Jones? I'm Hedger Carlson. Hedgeron, that's unusual. When can you move in? An ad for a roommate brought a stranger into Alison's life. You know, this had actually been all, I hadn't rewatched this movie in a while. I remember, I definitely saw it as like a kid teen on TV and loved it, oh my God, fascinating. And I'll never forget when Hedy slash Ellen, I think it's Ellen, right? Yeah, when she is choking Ali in the elevator and it really looks like Bridget Fonda is like losing consciousness, right? Yes, yes. I remember as a kid that scene and God, the really disturbing, the creepy client with glasses who molests Ali, Bridget Fonda. Oh my God, and then he's making a turner, while she says I'll turn around because we know she's got a plan and he's starting to like undo his pants. Seeing that as like a teen, I was very disturbed. That was very realistic. Yes, like this is disturbing. So I'll never forget that but so I had seen this movie for the first time, you know, kid teen and then I know I rewatched it early in college with some friends like in the dorm room and we were screaming and like living life. But when's the last time? I think that was the last time I saw the whole movie in full. When's the last time you saw this? Well, well, as I was rewatching, looking to rewatch this movie for this chat here, I was trying to see where I could, you know, what streaming service I could watch it on. And I discovered that we had actually already purchased this movie. Of course you did. Oh my God. So this tells you a lot about what's happening in this house. Like, I don't know when, but I mean this had to have been within the last four to five years, I'm guessing. We purchased it. So instead of like renting it and you know, having a 24 hour watch, we purchased it. So it lives in our streaming library now. So I was like, oh perfect, you know. So yeah, so that kind of paints the picture of our thoughts on this movie and the genre. When did you first see this movie? Do you remember? I don't know. I don't remember actually. And when hearing that it was 30 years ago, I'm like, what? You know, like I just, I forget that it's been that long. So I really don't remember the first time that I watched it or where I was or what age I was. I don't know, I'm not sure. But it stuck with you, which is all that matters. This is actually based on, and I didn't realize until this latest rewatch, it's based on a novel, which I kind of like want to check out. I'm like, how was that like written in book form? But so the novel's name, it was a 1990 book, two years earlier before the film came out, called SWF Single White Female Seeks Same, written by John Lutz. And so they just kind of cut out the seek same and kept it SWF Single White Female. Now real quick Tariq, I'd love to get your input because I had never in 30 years ever thought about this, but so I rewatched it this time with Greg who had never seen it. I'm like, I cannot believe you have never seen this masterpiece on Saturday. Oh my gosh, he was floored. He was a little bored every now and then and I do have to say it does slow down here and there. Also we were pausing a lot and also we were doing a deep dive into Bridget Fonda's life, which is really interesting. Have you like Googled her? I've heard, I have not, but we were talking about this recently with some friends and I need to do that because yeah, I've heard that it's a whole thing. I had known that she has not acted in 20 years. She stopped acting. Her last role was a TV movie like The Snow Queen or The Ice Queen for Hallmark in 2002. And then soon after she got into a car accident which she was fine, but she hurt herself. And then she married Danny Elfman, major music, you know, film music composer. So I think she just was like, I'm good. I guess she always felt pressure, you know, being a Fonda and all that, which makes sense. Because of the name. Exactly. And living up to the name. I mean, I think she's great. She did great stuff back in the day. So it's sad because it's like. Wait, do you remember the movie Point of No Return? You know, it's so funny because that came out a year after this. And I don't think I ever saw it, but Tariq, I will always remember that poster with her in like that moody lighting with the gun. Yes. Like she has that like, it's so good. That's one of those movies I will watch. Like I don't know if it's that good today, but I used to love that movie. Oh. I'll have to check it out. So check it out. Yeah, you should check it out. I just love that she was very much in early 90s, like it girl, but it's sad. I looked her up and so get this. So the last time she was seen in public was with Danny Elfman in 2009 for the Inglourious Bastards movie premiere. I guess maybe Danny Elfman did the music or she, I know she worked on, oh my gosh, Jackie Brown with Quentin Tarantino. So maybe she was just there to see Inglourious Bastards to support him. And she's so hot in that movie, right? And so last time she was spotted was 2009 until apparently earlier this year on her birthday. And I heard she was like unrecognizable. Yeah. Greg and I were like, that's not her.  But all these pictures show her and wow. I mean, I don't wanna say, oh, I feel bad because maybe she just is happy with how she is, but she is unrecognizable. Oh, I see. Yeah, she is. And we were, so occasionally we would pause the movie because we just were also like doing deep dives on her and like trying to really figure out, is that really her or are these sites confused? Do you know these paparazzi confused? So we would occasionally pause it. And so Greg was like, it does feel a little long. I'm like, well, we are also looking at gossip sites while watching the movie. I mean, it's not really, you know, we were supposed to watch this straight through like as a normal person would. Well, hold on, we have to talk about two things. Before we talk about moments that could be, we talked about Bridget a little bit just now. Can we just talk about Jennifer Jason Lee for a moment? Oh, Tariq, say it. Say it. Well, as I was watching it, I laughed because Jeff, my husband and I, Jeff have always lovingly considered Jennifer Jason Lee to be a little cuckoo in a loving way. I am right there with you. And I'm like, did it start with this movie and this role? It was like, wait a minute, like where does the cuckoos come from? Maybe it's this movie. And I was trying to remember what other movies she's done that could have been the moment where she seemed crazy to her. So yeah, I just, I feel it takes time. She is so cuckoo. She always picks these roles where you're like, oh, okay, crazy, you know. She's always a little deranged. Or if it's just like a drama, like did you ever see back in, oh gosh, maybe the late 2000s, maybe like around 2007, she was in, which I actually kind of liked Margot at the wedding. It was like a quirky drama with Nicole Kidman and Jack Black. Yeah, I think Jeff has seen that movie. I've never seen it, yeah. Totally, yeah. You said Nicole Kidman, he's definitely seen it. Oh yeah, I'm sure he was there opening weekend, right? But it's fine, you know, it's decent. I liked it, but it's not something I've only seen it once, you know?   And that's my thing, like did it start with this? Or was it like, is that just her? Well, that's a good question. And hold your thought, the other thing you wanna talk about because now I'll talk about them real quick, okay, where they were. So on the cast side, the actress side, so we just were talking about Bridget Fonda. She was only 28 at this time. She, as we know, we already said she was a Fonda, so, you know, her dad, she's related to Jane Fonda. I almost called her Janet, but I'm losing my mind. Jane Fonda, so I'm like, that feels weird. She had just done Doc Hollywood, a movie called Iron Maze. Godfather Part Three, which I admit, I still haven't seen that one, had no idea she was in that, right? And then also Frankenstein Unbound, which I know you like some scary stuff too. That movie looks crazy. I've never seen it, I've heard about it. It's like super monster-y Frankenstein, so she was, I think, the female lead in that. So she had done that. Jennifer Jason Lee, she was 30, just a couple years older than Bridget. She had just done Backdraft, which was a big deal in 1991. Oh, we just watched that recently. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, so she's one of the wives.  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So she had some major success with that. That was a big deal. She was in Buried Alive, which I do remember. Apparently it was a TV movie, but it was a very dark, weird, twisted, like kind of comedy horror movie. And she had just also done Last Exit to Brooklyn, which was a little bit more gritty. Right, definitely gritty. And of course, that's the right word, gritty. Right? And of course she like really had her claim to fame in the 80s. Also having a big milestone anniversary this month is Fast Times at Ridgemont High. That turns 40, I believe. So that was like her breakout. Yeah, you know what? You're not alone. I've seen clips. I've seen like the Phoebe Cates naked in the pool. You know, I know that's the moment. Oh, that's that movie, okay. That's that movie. And I know everyone's in it. Blonde, Sean Penn, you know. But yeah, I've never seen the whole thing either. So I'm glad I'm not alone. But I know she was like the cute wholesome girl in that. So she already, you know, been doing some big stuff. So yeah, I don't know when she started kind of like getting a little like, almost like constantly a little drunk or like a little hunched over. Exactly, a little off. Yeah. Hold on, I have a special guest. We're currently talking about crazy, lovingly crazy Juliette. Oh, no, damn it. You really don't listen. Jennifer Jason Lee. You're currently talking about Jennifer Jason Lee and how we consider her a little cuckoo. And did it start with this movie? Single wife, female? No, she's a child actress. OK, all right. Ask Jeff. When did I can't hear you? When it's when did Jennifer Jason Lee start getting weird? Jennifer Jason Lee, start getting weird. Any any thoughts? It was probably that probably that. OK, probably snag wifey. That was one of the early ones. Good, and then she was she was in the anniversary party and then she was coming. And now he's naming her whole biography. Ask him. Ask him if he saw Margo at the wedding opening weekend. So I got it. Did you? Somebody wants to know if you were at Margo at the wedding opening weekend. Maybe not opening weekend, but definitely that week. Sure. OK. I was like, what is this about? Sure, Jane. Someone. I think beautiful on you. Who shares. What's kind of fun having a girlfriend again? Someone. Do you guys know when you'll be back? No, it's kind of an anniversary tonight. Really? Who cares?  Where can we feel like I'm 16 years old here? Real quick, we have to talk about Hottie MacHodderson. I think he is very pretty. Steven Weber, what do you think? Would would you would you tap that? OK, I don't hate it. OK, I didn't think that. I I didn't. I mean, I was never crossed my mind. Honestly, the whole time I was watching him, I was like, what is he from Wings? Yes, he went on to do wings. Yep, to a lot of TV. Yeah, I mean, he's attractive. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, he doesn't look at this age. He was he was thirty one, which makes sense.  But, you know, he also bears all in this movie. Yes, those.  Oh, definitely. There was a googling moment, for sure. Yes, absolutely. But so, yeah, he had done lots of TV, like we said, and theater and everything. But this definitely kind of made him like leading man status.  And it's interesting. Did you I feel like did you and Jeff just watch maybe Jeff posted that new Netflix show uncoupled with Neil Patrick Harris or no. Yes. Any good? We did. No. OK. We we watched, I should say, we got through two episodes. And I don't I don't necessarily know if we're going to continue. OK, that show is written and produced by the screenwriter of this movie, Don Ruse, isn't that? Yeah, uh-huh. He's done lots of TV. I think he also wrote for Younger for a while, which is which you love, right? Yeah, I remember you like that one for sure. But yeah, and he's done some interesting stuff. Don Ruse, this was his first film screenplay. He had mostly done TV up until this, but then he went on to do like other like kind of gritty stuff, like the opposite of sex with Christina Ricci, if you remember that one in the late 90s. He did some other kind of random stuff.  But so, yeah, a little fun fact there. And then last person to talk about is this was directed and produced by Barbette Schroeder, very interesting name. Right. He had just directed. Did you ever see with Glenn Close, Reversal of Fortune? I didn't see that one. I don't think I have, but that wasn't the Oscar nominated. I think so. Did he get an arm for that? Maybe he might have. You might be right. Yeah. I think he did. I remember that was a big one. That was a big deal for sure. It was her and maybe Jeremy Irons. I forget. But so he did that. Yeah, that sounds right. I was going to say that. Right. And then I know his later movies better. He went on to direct. Did you ever see another pretty good thriller? I thought before and after with Meryl and Liam Neeson in the mid 90s. Did you see that one? No. OK, where their son, I think, accidentally kills someone and they're like trying to like cover it up. That was OK. And then Murder by Numbers with Saundra Bullock a few years after that. Yeah, I remember that one. So he's done some thriller stuff. Yeah. OK. But so those are the major players where they were, what they were up to at this time. Kind of help me, Graham. She's a lunatic, at least. She needs me. There are two scenes in this movie that are like iconic for this movie, but then also just like iconic moments, period in like, I guess, in the thriller world. One, which you mentioned is the stiletto. Like when she, Hedy, yeah, takes that shoe with that point on it and slams it into his eye. Like that is like that's one of those. Like every time I think about the movie, I think about that scene. And then the other scene I always think about is the moment she walked Hedy again, walks down the stairs with a haircut. Like, oh, it's like. Oh, my God, Tariq. That like crazy. And I just kept thinking, like whenever you watch any of these movies, but for some reason, especially with this one, I just kept thinking to myself, what would you do if you were Bridget Fonda? Thanks so much for watching. 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Did you know penguins have projectile poop? Cool.  Hey, well, goodbye. Josh!  Except Corbin. I'm Rick. Follow me on Instagram, Twitter, for more cheese content. Thanks for following, subscribe, like, button. Oh, I'm ready for spring, man. I'm so ready for spring. I will, can't wait for spring.  Today, we got a thing. And congrats to the RRR team, obviously on the winner of the Golden Globe for Not Do Not Two. Yep, obviously, but also just won the Critics' Choice for Best Foreign Film. Yep. Which is a big deal. That is one of the steps, which is why we still believe it should have been the nomination for Best Foreign Film, because it would have won that category at the Oscars, and India would have had. It would have without question, but nominated. Yes. Without question. And we are still. It was a gimme. And we are still, and that's why we wanted it. And we are still rooting for the last film show, in case you guys don't. It's a wonderful movie. Fantastic film. It would be deserving of a nomination. It would have been, we wouldn't have had any issues, but the fact that you had a shoe in, literally, for the Oscars. But anyways, so they're all here. They're on their full Oscar campaign right now. And Rom Tron and Junior NTR did a interview with Variety, which is a big deal. Variety's huge. Big deal here. It is the premier, Hollywood reporter would argue, but it's the oldest and most premier industry resource in Hollywood. But the, they're in full force in campaign mode right now, which they should be, because there's actually a lot of buzz right now that not only, obviously not do not do, that's getting nominated, but picture is actually in contention. There's a, I was listening to some podcast that talked about it. There's some people that on Twitter that vote for the Oscars and said I voted, and I know many people have voted for it for picture. It's such a conversation reality that if it's not nominated for best picture, there will be articles and Variety in the Hollywood reporter when they talk about snubs, they will include RRR as one of the snubs. It's still a long shot. Long shot. Not for sunk, but for picture, but the buzz is picking up and it's a good time for the buzz to pick up. And I am so hoping, so hoping, so hoping that along with what they're doing right now, is they've got a rehearsal studio already working and ready, getting the number for when they do it at the Oscars. Because if it's nominated, every song gets performed. Yes. And there will be nothing like it in the history of the Oscars. Nothing. Anyway, so this say interview with them. So let's just get into this. Enter the room, NTR Jr. Ron Charan from RRR. Ron Charan. Great, Clayton. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you for coming in on this rainy day. That just means that the gods are crying because you're in LA finally. Wow. We're so excited that you're here. Rain's artist's blessing us, for sure. How has this ride of RRR been for the both of you? It's been a global box office sensation. It is super popular here. Feels great. I mean, it's overwhelming. And sometimes you think about it. LA has always been a spot for holiday or America such was a place for holiday or meeting family. But all of a sudden, LA and America in general, America in general has become a workplace now. We've never imagined this would happen. We come from the southernmost part of India, the southern part of India. And here we are today, very proud of being Indians. Yeah, Cleveland, I still can't believe I'm sitting in the studio in LA. And like he said, it was always a place of pleasure. And coming here for work is still digesting. I'm still getting around it. I think it's great. And as the world is becoming one, the cinema is also becoming one.  And it's really overwhelming to be here. Yeah, it's easy to be kind to movies that are great movies. Exactly. The insane mind SS Roger Mooli. I would give anything to read the production notes on this. Someone thought it was too far or we shouldn't do that part because it's so... Or the pitch, right? Storyboarding it or whatever. That's from this in 2018. Starter. Starter in 2018, yes. And then... That's amazing. 21, just a couple of months before the release is when we need a last shot. So they had to deal with the pandemic. Yeah, we lost in eight months there. Like this was the second... He's supposed to be the fastest movie of SSR. But he planned it. You know, he planned for that. But didn't happen. Yes, we were hit by the pandemic. I mean, no second thoughts about that. The whole world was in the standstill. So were we. We had to get off and stop, shoot and halt and then move on again. But having said that, Raj Mooli still took a sweet time. And I would like to agree with you on one thing. The insane mind of SSR, yes. He is insane. Let's talk about Natu Natu. Nominated for Golden Globe, shortlisted at the Academy Awards for Best Original Song. And then it won the Globe. He told me recently, SS Roger Mooli only likes to do things that he feels everyone can do. I watch Natu Natu, Ram. I don't think I can do a lot of it. I can do some of it. Yeah, no. You did multiple takes for it. Having our unique style ourselves, each of us. And just to be in sync and have one style called SSR style. So that was the most difficult part. It's not the choreography that was very difficult or pulled us down or made our knees wobble. Yeah, but it's just getting into sync of what Mr. Raj Mooli was trying to ask us from this. And today I understand, of course, it was the toughest song we did in terms of getting the synchronization. But today I can understand why it is what it is. Yeah, because everybody in, you know, including, I'm sure you would have tried it too quick. No, you would have. So yeah, you know, so that's the idea I think Raj Mooli had, you know. He does not want to give, you know, give you the so super complicated steps. I mean, if you see what he's done in Magadhira and or what I've done in my movies with Raj Mooli before, he does not like to complicate his dance, you know, especially in his movies, you know. It goes into the heart of the audiences only when you are willing or you have the chance to try it. You don't want to sit down here and say, oh my God, you know, I can never do that. No, you wouldn't want to give it a try. And that's exactly what Raj Mooli had in his mind. You know, when people are not willing to try or even capable enough to try doing it, why will it be nominated into the Golden Globes? Yeah. Or shortlisted them. Might be able to do it, but not with that kind of precision. No, definitely. Yeah. As you said, the time to start with the synchronization. Yeah. It was not the step. It's because you're both really good dancers. Talking about your characters in the film, Ram, you represent fire. You represent water and TR. Was there ever a moment that you guys thought about what it would be like if you had swapped roles? If you had played the other one, do you think that actually could have been on? No, just the other day I was telling, I think both our characters are very similar to us in real. And it came very natural when we were doing the scenes. So I don't know. Maybe I would love to try it just for the- Which Raj Mooli knew, obviously. To get into TR's nature and character and mind. I would love to. Why not? But I would tell you something for sure. I personally feel that, you know, with the friendship we've had over the past 20 years or 15 years, I think Sharon's more of water because he's, I would say he's an introvert for sure. A little bit of extrovert qualities here and there coming in and go. But I feel that Sharon's more water for me because, you know, when you look at the sea in general, you know, you really cannot estimate- Maybe we're saying it wrong because he just said Sharon. Us saying something wrong, what a shock. I'm listening, I'm telling you. Ram Charan. No, I'm Charan. So for me, Charan as a person in general is very deep. You cannot estimate what you're getting into unless and until you're willing or he's willing to invite you. So I would say that Charan's, Charan for me is- It's like Sharon with a cha. I'm somebody, I'm an extrovert. I would definitely agree on that. And Charan is somebody like, what you see is what you get. There's nothing hidden. So he is all in or all out. It's as simple as that. If you want to do it, you'll do it. And if you don't, then it's just not your thing. Yeah, that's impossible to make him do, I think. I appreciate that. Looking at some of those other scenes, I'm thinking about the swath again. There's one key to the scene in which you are on the shoulders of NTR. Yeah, so how do you plan for that scene and are you harnessed or are you actually holding the weight? There was a safety harness. There was a safety harness. 60% of it was still, I was setting on him. That was a tough sequence for him. That was tough. But that's the reason I don't want to swap for him. I don't want to carry him. No, I'm happy with that. You don't want to carry me off of what I'm so much weight. No. Because I've lost a bit of that muscle mass and I'm a little leaner than what I was back then.  It really demanded more.  It's not easy to be on a safety harness for a very long time. It's so uncomfortable. If you look at it, I have, I was carrying him, but he was doing all these weird stunts from up there. He was. Bending forward, yeah. Having said that, our base was almost going purple. I bet. After the second day of holding the harness and leaning forward against it as it pulls. My shoulders is easy, no. So it was, it was not easier for both of us. And it was, that went on for 15 days. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. You put on some mass. I mean, you guys both, bulked up a lot for this, for this role. What was your routine to get yourself prepared? Simple playing routine, Clayton. You know, this is what everybody, the, everybody. It's just, there's nothing special to it. It's the same thing.  But the only thing was challenging is we had to keep that shape. We had to retain that shape or muscle. For that long. For a very long time, for three years. Yeah. That was difficult because we were, That sounds awful. We were halted by the, Seriously. We still had to keep. It's one thing to do it for three months. That constantly. For continuity. Three years is a lot to do. Wow. That kind of a body. No pizza for three years. I didn't even think about that. It's like your calorie intake during that time to put on the weight. Protein was out. Protein was out the wazoo. That's why I'm bulking up for this, right? That's why I'm going to use it. Come train with us. I was put on about 3,000 calories a day. I was eating seven meals a day. Took me around a good 16 months to 17 to achieve that. Tark is very particular in how he eats and the calorie count. I've seen him on sets. He would never eat. He would look at my food and just smell it, but he would never touch for three years. He did that. Somebody, I think I'm more organic in my approach. I cannot. It's too much for me. I need some good food, bad food every day. I need my sweets every day. And I think it took about seven to eight months here. But the worst part was, the most difficult part was to not eat and not have any of that just to take a back seat during the pandemic. Yeah. The scene in which you two meet, swinging off bridges, saving little kids, wrapping yourself in fire, throwing flags. I mean, like, what, is that all green screen? I wish the pendulum swinging was also on green screen, but that was real. That was real. The flag was real. 12 days. Both were suspended. Oh my God. Please. It took 12 days. And the ice breaking. 12 days? Both of us meeting. And then the underwater sequence after that, the whole sequence. Can you view what was the third day of the shoot? It started in 2018. The first two days were very normal. I was driving the bike. He was sitting behind me. And it was just show, the first two days. We got loud. It's nice. But that's when it started. What's cooler, riding a motorcycle or riding a horse? I think I love horses. I love horses. And I'm not very good on bikes. And yeah, why is he worse? That's why they were on horses and bikes. I want to talk about the tollywood of it all, because this has been a great eye-opening experience for me myself. And someone who loves English, not in English language, can you talk about that impact for tollywood and hopefully get to a place where it's not Bollywood, tollywood, we're just Indian cinema. Heck yeah! And we're all just talking about cinema. I think we've already reached that stage click now. Well, I would say ararar was this ice breaker. Yeah, ice breaker, yeah. But I think with Bahubali, somewhere Rajmali was this director who could erase the imaginary lines of North film industry or Southern film industry, you know, the Northern and the Southern or the East or the West. We have different film industries. We have the Kannada. We have the Tamil. We have the Malayalam. We have the Telugu. We have the Hindi. We have the Bhogakudi. We have the Bengali.  So with Bahubali, I think Rajmali could erase those imaginary lines and made it one big Indian film. I think ararar added to it. Ararar made it one big Indian film industry today, you know, today. Globally, yes. Globally, you know. I think today we don't represent, you know, first we are Telugu and then we are Indians, as I mentioned before. It fills us with a lot of pride that we are Telugu people sitting down here and talking. But again, you know, today I think we are Indians as well. So it is a great breakthrough, you know, for us to sit down here and talk about work, share our culture, share our work patterns.  And it happened only because of one person's dream, SSR, SS Rajmali, you know. And I think that it's a very clear example of when a master storyteller comes out with master stories. I think that's when everybody in the globe is ready to reach out.  I mean, we all knew the breakthrough was inevitable. It had to happen at some point. And it happened with Globally, the whole of India and Asia knew who SSR was. And now the West is also enjoying his films as the world is becoming one, cinema is becoming one, the boundaries are being erased, cinema is one language that's the experience, that's the emotion, which he somewhere cracked it in India until today. And Indian audience have been enjoying his emotion universally. And now even the West understands that it's not coming from a small state in India, but it's just the movie that has been produced and made in that small state. I think that was, that should be the focus, you know, that yeah, I don't think we want to look up, I mean, we want to be addressed like a person coming from a small state and everything, but cinema is bigger than all of us. And I'm really proud that we're all part of this journey and it began with SSR's, I don't know. I like what he said, you know, cinema has one universal language. Yeah. I really agree to what he said, totally. That's the deep water we're talking about. You know, it's no secret, you're sitting down here with the awards editor of Variety. Yes. This is in the Oscar conversation. India didn't select it as it's official submission. No shades of last film show, it's actually a very good movie. Correct. But everyone in the punditry world says, you had a guaranteed win if you just chose RR. Can you talk about, maybe we're not aware about the politics about India choosing a Hollywood movie that's in Telugu versus other films that are typically in Hindi. Cause I believe that by history, they traditionally pick something that's in Hindi which I'm obviously in the last film show is not, not recently, no, because they chose Jalitaku. Which I've never seen before. Well, he just mentioned, it's dubbed in Hindi. I've never seen a black English language film. Yeah. Dubbed in another non-English language. Yeah, thanks for bringing that up. A country with 1.4 billion people population. I wouldn't say there's a lot of politics going on with choosing what films need to go, but I think the panel which is sitting down there knows what they do the best. So I'm not gonna get down that road of talking about why RRR was not chosen as its official movie from the country. Well, talk about Hindi. I think Hindi has primarily been a national language for a very long time. So, and that's why it's been, I think Hindi has taken its prominence through that. But for us, or for me, at least I would say that choose RRR, don't choose RRR. RRR has already made us proud. Absolutely. RRR is being really humble and nice, but I only won these two awards. But at the same time, like he said, all of us talking about it. Clayton, you're sitting here and you're mentioning it about it. It itself is quite satisfying for us and we're very grateful to the audience here and you. So, rest everything is a feather on the hat. So I'm gonna see if that feather falls on our hat or not. Let's wait for another day. As the norm on a jing says. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do it? It's one interesting thing that we learned how big the both of you are in India. I've had people describe you as the rockin' Vin Diesel. Times a billion. Yeah. Fantastic. What has been the conversation about this? That's insulting to them. Yeah. They are not. And making a big splash. Why not? Why not? You know how we're actors, Clayton. Bring it on, I would say. Bring it on, you know. Bring it on. I love to explore this. We would love to. What would you like to do? Like you said, rockin' Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel, yeah. Yeah, to pick a bit. We'll go faster if you're interested. Yeah, absolutely. That would be great. But yes, you know, as actors, I think we have to be open to accept what's given to us. And yeah, you know, we're really open to. Actually, eager to actually be a part of some of that. Have your directors experience us as well on the sets. Absolutely. We will do a great job. Absolutely. So Steven Spielberg is watching. Ron Charan would make a great bond, by the way. Yes, he would. I hope you're going. I have some fun questions for you. But before that happens, I brought you guys something that I thought would be great for us to talk with. Oh my God, wow. Some Jaguars. Tiger, no. Tiger was a great one. What a Jaguar, I think. That's a gift from me to you. Well, thank you so much. Don't throw it at each other, though. We've seen you throw Jaguars. He loves Jaguars and Jaguars. I want to talk about your 20 years of friendship. I want to see how well you guys know each other and what animal would you want to be if you could be any animal? Horse. Charan would want to be a horse. So we've got to answer for each other, right? Yeah, you can answer for each other. OK, I think that's all for each other. Oh, no, actually, that would be better. We can answer for each other. Horse, horse. I think Charan would want to be a horse. Tiger. Tiger? Yeah. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Is that horse true? Yes, absolutely. I'd like to be a sea turtle. In an actual fight with a tiger. No one. Who would last 11 years with a long one? Realistically, I think both of us would run. Why would I fight a tiger? If you were actually doing a dance battle of not do not do, who would win? How do you do? I mean, he would have got the step, right? In terms of endurance, I would have gone, but he would have gone. So the movie is... Do it! Let's see that. All right, who takes longer to do their hair on the day of shooting who lasts longer in bed? What? Dara takes a long time to do his hair not the makeup the hair you're very right on your question Your hair bounces and waves I have curly hair So to tame it you know it takes a little while I think he's right there Yeah, that's true. Hence why he's wearing the hat character more on set who like laughs more or messes up Dara, Dara, Dara, Dara What's he saying? Tadak? Tadak? Must be the T and NTR Tadak? Never gonna be an answer where you know he or me are gonna win No, it also tells you that maybe I never did anything It's Charan definitely To the audience What was the most fun you had on set? I think the most difficult episode and also a kind of Weirdly had fun was the 65 nights of shooting the the interval episode of us becoming arched rivals And then it's the intermission So that episode, weirdly 65 nights, I think nobody would any act of it doing that But I weirdly enjoyed it Like he told me one day saying I am the night owl I like shooting in the nights and he's more of a day person So probably I enjoyed it That's almost Helm's date I would say I would That's crazy I would say not to not to Would definitely be something which is a good which was a great experience I had fun as well but there was a lot of torture Before that but you know we were in Ukraine We would do after everything probably in a ketchup Go out to a restaurant Get some food You know we had that we had a good family time as well I would say not to not to in Ukraine was in Kiev Kiev was a fun experience We're going to get sentimental Please tell me the best quality about the other person What I like is he's one person not just me I know hundreds of people around him would say the same He's somebody you can really rely on At any point of the day Any time of the day At any situation in your life You know you can make that one call to him and he'll be there That's the trust he has built over the years With anybody and everybody he has ever come across in his life This is the number one quality I admire and love And he's a great father He's a great husband, great actor And more than anything he's a great friend One of the very very very few friends You know you have you know maybe You could just count on your fingers Which one would be definitely the first person The first person I would want to call and share Or ask for help Or even rely upon I'm hearing Dosti in the background Dosti And he's He's everything a friend needs to be That's why the chemistry is so good And you've got a friend in me Everything a friend should be He's everything a friend can be And yeah You know just this He's this beautiful person who can Who can literally you know Give you a shoulder and say you know what It's alright You know she happens The bromance I love it What's the scene that isn't in the movie That you were disappointed didn't make the final cut I could have given a better close up If he was not doing those things right If he did not irritate me I think I would have done a better job also Please This is the final question Listen there's been rumors about it RRR part two Wow What? I thought it sounded like one of the stages It sounds like it's definitely happening But listen we don't know anything Official things are always so secretive Listen it took four years to get this I can't wait four years RRR two I'm on your side on this as well So I have no clue as of now It has officially not told us But yeah I've been hearing it On the press on one of the stages Where he spoke after the screening The Q&A so yeah I'm waiting for him to roll this news with us It's been amazing to watch this bride It's been amazing to watch you guys It's been amazing to see Americans introduced to The talent of you two And the bromance but no thank you for saying guys Thank you thank you so much We're gonna be seeing a lot more of you Great interview I'm glad it's happening on such a prominent Site In the entertainment industry That's it And you're gonna be seeing a lot more Of them throughout Cause obviously once the nominations come out They're gonna be doing even more interviews With more prominent people Probably late night shows When the nominations come out Especially If it gets a picture not Keep going They're going to find A Don't be surprised to see them With SSR on Jimmy Fallon Your coat Sorry It's okay Keep going The love fest is By no means over because the Oscars aren't until March And it's deserved I think as far as the sequel is concerned It goes without saying anybody who knows Even the slightest bit about SSR He's only gonna make it if he has a vision And a story to tell The fact that people want it and it's a box office success And people will invest in it I don't think that means crap to him I'm very excited about the actual theater experience Of the next SS Russian movie film Yeah me too Obviously cause the A obviously has the love and support Of all Indians right You might even say we won't be the only white people Maybe in the The only Americans in the theater This time It is a phenomenon now and people know him And are excited about his next film And I really am interested to see I anticipate it would be big In and of itself because it's SRK But it won't surprise me If there will be people that go to see Padan Who wouldn't have seen it before Simply because They loved RRR so much and in their mind All they know is Another big Indian action film That wouldn't surprise me He does have a big following here in America Oh yeah of course But it wouldn't surprise me and that's a good thing How many people have come out on the 21st? How many? Oscar numbs 21st I don't remember it off Hannah It's a Tuesday Is it the 24th or is it the 17th? I'll tell you It's the 24th So about a week from now Exactly About a week from now Best picture numb RRR I hope so though We've said this it could get picture It could get director It will get song Yeah And hopefully It could even surprise folks with a visual effect I'm hoping we'll also hear the last film show as well Yeah that would be Serving film Everything that breathes I think is the documentary from India That we haven't seen yet That's also in the conversation It's too shortlisted Unlike other things that weren't shortlisted That people said were shortlisted Yeah So dumb Very great interview Loved that I would love to actually talk to them They're kind of busy right now Just a bit Slightly higher than OSR Depends on what you talk to Let us know What are the videos you could add to down below


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Hi, my name is Paul Stevens, I'm also from Catalyst and today I'm talking about payment gateways in Moodle. So you've created a really cool course and basically you've got the great idea you want to sell it. Or a whole bunch of courses when you're deciding, yep, we're going to sell those. So obviously you think they're good enough to sell and since they're almost certainly online, the obvious way to do that is with an online payment gateway. So with Moodle there are two obvious directions to go. One is to use effectively an enrolment plugin that takes you off to something like PayPal or Stripe or various other type of payment gateways or put in place a e-commerce system that allows you to do a little bit more. Now using a plugin or a Moodle module that does enrolment is a really good way to do that because it's quite simple, it's what your Moodle is already doing. Essentially basically it's taking you off to a PayPal, you're paying some money and if you pay that money you get into the next course. With the e-commerce system you might want to be doing some more complicated type of things and there's some great systems out there that essentially also allows you to do some complicated workflows and discounts and that sort of thing. Going the plugin route is certainly the easiest way to go first. So if you've got an existing Moodle system obviously you've already got your enrolments and so on set up, so if you're just adding on a simple payments thing for a single course just go that way and basically the user tries to log in, they get this type of screen, go off to PayPal, pay and get in. However that's only good really for a one to one type of scenario. It has a number of limitations, for instance you can't really do discounts so if you want to sell a whole set of courses you need something else to manage that. If you're a global organisation you can't really manage all the different tax enforcements of different areas and also each country seems to have their own type of e-commerce systems like some areas are happy with PayPal but if you go to China you cannot use PayPal and if you go to Russia they've got their own ones whereas the e-commerce systems basically have all of those often taken care of. And they've also got shopping carts built into them so the sort of things that the users are used to seeing with Amazon and eBay and so on, they're already there. Not sure if this is, yep there we go. So there are two open source options that we often use and one of them is Magento and the other one is Drupal Commerce. Both of these systems are really good systems and depending what you want to do. If you've already got a web page in a Drupal and so on, Drupal Commerce is a great way to go and for instance here's an example of where we already had a good website with a lot of product and so on listed. We've put Drupal Commerce in there and we've instantly got the shopping cart functionality. We've got the functionality that we can go off to the Moodle API and enroll the students. We can set up the single sign on and get people signed in and that sort of look and feel that people are used to and you just get it pretty much instantly. Now Magento is an awesome e-commerce system and don't mix that with Magneto which is an evil supervillain from the Marvel X-Men comics. One of my colleagues did a good presentation comparing these two a couple of Moodle roots ago so Google that if you want to have a look at that. But basically it gives you that whole shopping front end and more importantly behind the scenes not just the web page that has the shopping stuff but the workflows you might want to do. If you want to sell products and then you sell courses on top of that, I'm sorry I've thrown in a bit of an old picture there that's got a much better looking bootstrap one out now. And we've published a little bit of code as well so basically you install a plug-in into the Moodle side, a plug-in into the Magento side and link the courses together and it's very simple and straightforward and then the Magento takes care of the whole workflow and taxes and invoices and so on. If you're selling stuff don't forget to make sure people can find it. If you're going individual enrolment plug-in use the course summary page in Moodle it can be really good to make sure you can find these things on Google and get to it. Make sure the courses and the workflow to purchasing the courses are simple because otherwise you'll lose people very easily on the process. People get nervous as soon as they have to spend £20 or £1,000 or whatever it is to get there and if it feels complex to get to the purchase they'll drop off. Because your site is probably doing all of the purchasing even though you're passing stuff off to banks and whatever make sure you can audit it because the customers will come to you to find what has happened if something goes wrong and sometimes things do go wrong with PayPal and so on. Most importantly, whenever you're setting up e-commerce it is an integration so make sure you test it and test it again whenever you do upgrades on either side either on the e-commerce side or the Moodle side because things like enrolments can change, most formats can change with your enrolment plugins and so on. Thank you very much.


If Reality Check Radio enriches your day in life, support us to keep bringing you the content, voices, perspectives and the dose of reality you won't get anywhere else. Visit www.realitycheck.radio forward slash donate. Now it's time for Camus Buddies. This week we'll find out what they think about the Maori Party protests and their grandstanding over swearing an oath to the King. Our producer has them all lined up and ready to go. So let's hear what Camus Buddies have to say about to party Maori grandstanding. Good afternoon Paul, welcome to Camus Buddies. Good afternoon Cam, how are you going today? Yeah good, much better than last week, that's for sure. Very good, you're looking better too. Oh thank you very much, you know, body of a finely tuned athlete and all that. Exactly. So this week I thought I'd ask the question about what you thought about the shenanigans of the Maori Party or to party Maori as they like to call themselves these days and their little protest about the government and then their little swearing in ceremony on Tuesday where they appear to insult King Charles in taking the oath. I thought it was very interesting that if you want to take the politicians pay you have to take the oath. So what they do is they put up all the malarkey about oh no we're going to say to the treaty or to Ngati Whatur or to our whānau but in the end they take the oath because they want the money and I always think that's pretty funny stuff.  Exactly, that's the thing isn't it, I mean they did all this grandstanding organised what is a rather pathetic protest really when you consider the amount of people that were out protesting the mandates and the groundswell stuff the Maori Party didn't seem to be able to organise that for many people to hold up the motorway system at all and then their grandstanding is exactly that it's just grandstanding wearing silly hats and treating the parliament with disrespect but ultimately they've got to swear the oath because they don't get paid otherwise. Yes it's amazing what the golden rule does do and when people have the golden rule in effect he with the gold makes the rule then that's the new golden rule of course then these folk often fall into line because it's all about the money that they want and they're saying oh the young people care if you go into view 100 young people on the street and ask them about this they'd all say eh what they wouldn't even know what it's about because they don't care they would more likely say we support Palestine especially if we're gay because gay for Palestine is a really good thing that so they think or they think that we have the right to democracy so we can go and say silly things about folk it's the only people that have a democracy over there of course is Israel and not the Palestinians and I look and I'm thinking the young people seem to be deluded by the media often and I think our Maori folk here they got more Maori in Parliament than ever before so that they've got double the amount of Maori politicians as they have Maori in the populace and they're saying oh this is a big backward step for Maori hello looks like it's the most forward step that we've ever seen and when we stop fooling about with two governments or whatever they're thinking about and New Zealanders all get on with each other and we all try and make the country great we get on a whole lot better and everybody has a nice time and as for these people saying oh we're not going to do that and they don't like the fact that of Maori smoke more than the rest of the country so the taking the no-spoking generation away affects Maori they're just looking for something to be aggrieved by there's no reality in this I mean Maori have the same opportunities not to buy cigarettes as the rest of the populace and if they're relative to smoke and they can see them all croaking with emphysema they get a close-up eye view of why it's not really a very good idea I mean yeah that's the thing isn't it that is that there can't be any child that goes to school these days that doesn't know that smoking is bad for you and yet we seem to have this abiding belief that the government will protect us from our own stupidity and you know I mean I only smoke cigars and I only do that for health reasons but I don't smoke cigarettes because it's stupid and and I see see the diseases that come from that plus the increased taxes that you have to pay for the privilege of smoking cigarettes is a tax on stupidity well I think if you are stupid and you get taxed for it I think that that's sometimes an okay thing I've smoked in the past I thought better of it and I quit smoking and I feel a whole lot better for having done so but I mean I quit smoking I think more than years ago and from time to time I still look at them thinking I wouldn't mind a pass so it's actually definitely addictive stuff but I'm looking thinking no it's not for me I don't just worry about that and I don't want to say an example to any young people that actually look at me and think somehow I'm a role model and but back to the question you asked I think it's um if you if you say which treaty different treaties and the one that they're talking about which is the the Maori version of the treaty there's a lot less in there for them the translations are quite different so I mean one that talks about sovereignty being ceded and the other it doesn't and all these sorts of things and and if you were to ask the average person even the people I think in the Maori party and until they've been schooled up on there about how unfair it is they never thought it was unfair because they used the electoral system got themselves voted in and they're now in parliament getting more money than they've ever had in their lives and you're looking you think well can't be all bad well I mean that's the thing you know Debbie now we were packer was on on Tuesday morning on breakfast TV with Shane Jones and insulting him as as old and irrelevant and and then sitting there saying that the Maori that New Zealand first party and the act party don't represent Maori um they look they only got six percent and eight percent and I'm sitting there thinking well hang on why isn't the the interviewer saying well hang on you only got three percent so how can you how can you claim to have a mandate for Maori which is 17 percent of the population when you only got three percent of them to vote for you and whilst you're insulting the act party and the New Zealand first party the elite is a Maori and they're in government who would have thought that's the thing and they're in government making decisions they're in government making decisions not shouting from the outside and that's the other thing if you look at the cabinet 20 members of the cabinet and a third of them are Maori it's the biggest number ever of Maori cabinet ministers and these clowns are protesting and saying this is a racist government and and they don't represent Maori well Winston Peters would have something to say about that I'm sure so would David Seymour well also it's not a representative government when twice the number of cabinet positions are held by Maori then they represent in the population but but no Europeans complaining about it no Asia is complaining about it our Pacifica people aren't complaining about it people are saying let's get on and do some stuff so so three percent of the vote now think that they can call us and tell us who's complaining about what um they don't represent their people well I don't believe and most Maori that you speak to want to have a good feed a good hard day's work a game of rugby and a few laughs maybe a song or two on on the guitar now that might sound very stereotypical but I've employed many Maori who are the loveliest people we're having jokes laughing joking around it's all good and I've also had businesses where the Maori were the and I've worked for them they were the bosses all still good and so I'm thinking this is to me how commercial things happen not by the government saying oh we'll we'll hold you back here and we'll lift these people up because they've got a harder road to hoe at the end of the day life's tough work hard succeed moan about how everybody's done your wrong and fail if you keep getting told that you you're hopeless and you need the government to look after you you'll be hopeless won't you and you may even need the government to look after you which is which is what they want and then when the government says that they can be your daddy and then you get to do everything that you're told whereas when with rightly center right leading governments when they say get out there and give it a go work hard and you'll be rewarded and successful that's what we do and we have and then all sorts of things go well for all sorts of people that's right we need to get back to that thank you so much for your call paul and we'll talk next week all good take care bye for now welcome to cams buddies jack hey cam how are you fantastic this week better than last week that's for sure excellent so this week I've got a bit of a a curly question no doubt you're gonna give me your curmudgeonly opinion on that but what do you think about the performance of to party Maori or the Maori party with them organizing a protest and then you know performing like trained seals in parliament pretending they're not going to swear the oath and then eventually having to swear an oath to the king even though they said they wouldn't do it what are your thoughts on that well I think um basically I think it's just a bit of a laugh except it's not of course but they obviously have never done a salesmanship course if you want to actually get someone to be sympathetic to your cause you don't go pussing them off and that's what they've effectively done with a hell of a lot of people today as the painted face trolley wearing glassing glasses wearing whatever his name is in parliament yeah what has he ever done I was trying to think um you know everything Cameron what has he actually done how long has he been in parliament and what has he actually achieved well I think what he's achieved is uh expanding his girth uh supping at the trough a quick research into him says that he's done three-fifths of five-eighths of stuff all and he's been in parliament he's been in parliament uh yeah where he stood for the labour party originally in 2014 then he joined the Maori party and then was elected in 2020 and then basically he's done nothing since and will continue to do nothing um he's passed a couple of I had a couple of uh you know things to say about abortion and conversion therapy and stuff like that but not much really um in anything that he's done before entering parliament or after that was I thought um I see that um none of them were going to swear an oath of allegiance to the king until someone reminded them unless they did that they couldn't enter parliament and therefore they wouldn't get paid the moment they heard it not getting paid they quickly changed their mind which is so funny well that's the thing I mean that's the thing isn't it was all grandstanding they were going to have to swear the oath in any case because it's a legal requirement and they grandstand and and you know try and rewrite it and insult the king by calling him a scab and by using Maori and thinking that they're all a bit clever but the reality is is that the treaty that they swore allegiance to in their pretend allegiance the crown was a party to anyway so they're swearing allegiance to a ratty old document that was found on a shelf falling to pieces that the crown is a party to so it's hilarious uh really when you think about it it's this hilarious and what would all those I assume it was thousands of people protesting why weren't they at work no it'd be hundreds has the country lost productivity I don't think there was much of a protest at all I mean voices for freedom uh had organized and groundswell have organized much bigger protests so you know it doesn't say much for the organization power of of to party mary but then you know you look at it Debbie Nariwa Packer the co-leader she was on breakfast television on Tuesday morning slamming the act party in New Zealand first for only getting six and eight percent and it didn't ever enter her brain you know that actually that that was more than double what she got for her party which is three percent I did that I laughed at that too but you know no one pulls them up and says hang on you just have you just you just have to think of it as a joke you seriously do you cannot take it seriously except you know one of our colleagues even couldn't make our meeting this morning because the motorway was blocked yeah that peeve me yeah I mean it's just ridiculous motorway was blocked presumably by the colonialist motor vehicles that they were using um as they're protesting colonialism you know it's it's insane yeah why weren't they on horses like or did they actually have horses in 1840 no I knew the horses they stole of the British of course well that's where the that's where the kai manoa horses come from actually you know the famous kai manoa horses a little bit of interesting history there was a bunch of British soldiers you know and as you head up the um uh the Napier Taupo Highway and you you go up that big long hill and at the top of the hill there's a bit of bush there and there's a an ancient site we're not you know an old site from the 1840s there was a group of British soldiers that were ambushed there by Takuti's lot and all the horses escaped into the into the kai manoes and that's where they come from yes well I was about to say that I actually had two relatives killed by Murray and one of them was in that party you were talking about and the other one was much more recent which kind of like hardened me a little bit against their attitudes I wish they'd actually spend more time looking after their children and not murdering them on a daily basis well you know that's a debatable point obviously that they would oppose but they don't march in the streets for the young kids that are being bashed to death do they way back um when I had the owner's job of doing photographs for Her Majesty's New Zealand police uh we did all autopsy photos and I tell you what every single child that was killed were married there wasn't one that wasn't and the atrocious things that were done to them and I believe it's just the same today what do they concentrate on fixing that up well chance would be a fine thing they've got more important things to worry about really yeah like oaths and things like that anyway jack thank you for your comments um curmudgeonly as usual but on point and I look forward to talking to you next week see you cam thank you thank you welcome to cam's buddies Marcus how are you this week you know buddy I'm good mate how are you yeah good keeping out of trouble this week yeah I thought I'd come down to Tauranga to see what was happening down here with regards to um all the protests that were supposed to happen today in Tauranga you're in Tauranga yeah yeah I came down to visit the old folks you know that's a little bit out of the way from your um westy kicking ground stomping ground isn't it yeah I'm I'm keeping in my supply down here because I might get a bit scared if I know there's a westy in there and then you know this week's topic is um what do you think about the shenanigans of the Maori party their protests on Tuesday and their grandstanding in parliament over the swearing of oaths I think you've pretty well much uh thumbs up with that it's just shenanigans I mean they're trying their hardest to be relevant um I say good on them go protest I'm all for protests you can do all that it pisses people off and um and they and they either agree with you or don't agree with you and I mean how many how many percents of the Maori party get this um this last section two percent more than just a bit over three percent yeah three percent which is more than they deserve quite frankly but I mean hey I'm all for protests and um we all know what it's like when people the general population um slams protesters for being you know idiots and not not allowing people to go to work and all that sort of thing so I mean yeah sure they could have done it probably a bit better as far as um allowing people to get past and not stopping in the middle of the roads and that but hey at the end of the day they um felt like they achieved something so whatever good on them I mean clearly I don't agree with them as far as the shenanigans and and and parliament they're just trying to be relevant there I mean they're separatists and they're racists and and they're everything that we don't want New Zealand to be and I say let them talk and let them let them show themselves who they are I mean ultimately they're not in government I mean you know I mentioned to a couple of the other buddies that Debbie Nauri with Packer was moaning about how New Zealand First and ACT don't represent very much of the population they're very tiny percentage of course New Zealand First got double what the Maori party got and the ACT party got more than double what they got but but it was uh just said matter of factly not challenged by anybody in the media that the Maori party got just three percent of the vote Maori make up 17 percent of the electorate so and 35 percent of the um of the cabinet and 35 percent of cabinet I mean they're sitting there saying this is a racist government but all the evidence suggests otherwise that they're not racist at all that we've got more Maori in cabinet than we've ever had before even under the incredibly woke Labour Party and this is just a hangover this is a hangover from Labour days where they just say stuff and then the media accepts it as gospel and they just blurt on about all this rubbish and 100,000 homes and that and Maori parties say New Zealand First and ACT are racist and that's it that's all they have to do they don't have to prove that they don't have to pull any evidence out in fact the evidence again is pesky pesky facts they're the opposite they want all New Zealanders to be equal I mean that's exactly the opposite to being racist it's literally not racist and when you talk about one rule for somebody and one rule for somebody else that's an advantage to one group of people and if that group of people happens to be a race that's by definition racist so I don't I mean the facts aren't on their side so I mean I say just let them keep talking and hopefully the media gets slammed by people like Winston Peters and they pull them to account and say actually let's talk about what the word racist means and let's let's nail it down and let's let you the media tell me exactly what policy in my party is racist they won't be able to do it because there isn't well that's the thing the the Maori party seems to want to shut down debate and conversation and discussion over what is actually meant by the principles of the treaty because there are no principles in the treaty there's three articles there's no principles and yet and yet we're being told that these that they want to fight this government because their understanding of the treaty is the right understanding and the Maori that are in the government now the wrong sort of Maori and therefore we should ignore what the voters have actually delivered and do what they want the woke left never ever want to talk about facts you know they don't want to talk about what the what the actual meaning or what the intention of the treaty is because in their opinion in today's world this is the way it is and so when they die often the next generation comes in they'll have a different opinion about what the treaty means to them when in fact the treaty was derived at a time when things were much different than today and the Maori and the Pakeha all got together and says okay everybody's equal under the law of not 10 whatever his name was Charles yep yeah Queen Victoria um everyone's equal under the eyes of her and we've all got a chance to do well in this country we're going to call New Zealand that was that was what it was intended for you know and nowadays it seems that you can have some sort of um interpretation every single generation along the line so i mean this is just going to carry on forever and that's what i'm saying the what the work left or the woke people don't i hate that we work actually but i'll use it anyway those people the left crazy loony left don't want to talk about the facts because if you nail them down to the facts then they'll just revert to name coin which they do in this case call you racist or and um completely shut you off as somebody that i want to listen to sort of and so i mean i think it's been all right what what um uh act and and what competitors is doing they're looking at it going well hang on let's let's put a final nail on this and it's been tried before so it'll be be very interesting how they get on um but yeah i mean isn't there's much really you can say because every every generation is going to change your opinion it's you know it's like you know you can yeah go on all all night about what you think something is in someone else they have a different opinion to it and then later on in life that opinion changes it's like pronunciation of multi language i mean now it's not fun today it's fun today and that changes every five years it seems it's like no one knows how to call these names yeah so who's right who's wrong there's one right when i was a kid yeah and taranga they're taranga not too now and it's too too po or something like that now i'm down in taupo yeah i mean it's like i say it's just it's different opinions they come out with something they say well this is a quick one so everyone brings it on board and they do that then the next generation comes along says no that's not what the treaty meant look we've been hard done by we need to get some more money from the government we hate yeah and so the guys i mean they should be shamed i mean i'm not much of a monocist it's a monocist i'm not much of a monoc fan with regards to the king and queen all that sort of carry on i don't i'm not averse to being a republic although i don't think we're we're strong enough to be a republic because we haven't got any any sort of place in the world where we can stand our own two feet we rely too much on other countries however i mean if you're going to go into parliament we're under the the governance of king now what's his name charles charles so therefore we have to we have to you know this has come to his rule and so that part of the tradition is you have to do that if you're not going to do that then you can bugger off yeah i mean that that's the thing isn't it they don't want to play but they have to play and uh you know they can do all of their grandstanding all they like but at the end of the day they had to swear the oath otherwise it wouldn't get paid or they couldn't be an mp so they decided to take the money they didn't have money the money trumps had money trumps their principles bang on where where does cowboy hats come into the into the fault in the history of Maori as well i'd like to know oh i know he didn't wear a cowboy hat today he had some other sort of flax thing on his head it looked like a clown wig actually yeah i i did see that and there was another guy i mean looked like he was out of a you know a crash bandicoot playstation game mario brothers music in the background never mind yeah that's all a big slideshow mate that's all just a big game and and and the media's loving it because they got something to sort of hang their head on i mean the protest today i think i mean they got their word out there and the media's reporting on it i don't know if they achieved anything they feel like they did what 300 cars i think was up in Auckland yeah i was you know there's probably more down in town i don't yeah there's probably more cars in the local shopping center car park than then we're at the protest yeah there probably wasn't even 300 i mean the media probably pushed to those numbers up as opposed to what they did with the protest down at Wellington where they they shrunk those numbers and all those protests in Auckland where they said the 2000 people when there was like 10 000 plus easily yeah exactly so who knows the media are in on it the media are in on it yeah they want they want all this um agitation and um you know uh separatism separatism threats of violence all of that sort of they want all of this because they don't like the results of the election just as much as the Māori party doesn't like the results of the election i reckon Winston should come out and call the Te Pāti Māori party the river of filth that'd be awesome he's got far too much gravitas to do that i'm sure he does all right Marcus i'll let you get back to um buttering up your parents in Tauranga and uh we'll have to catch up when you get back some and now that i've got this bug out of the way and my black eye is uh is started to heal uh it'll be time for a smoke time for a smoke on the boat i'll give you i'll give you another one mate in the other line okay even though that yeah maybe we maybe i should bring all the recording equipment and do a cams buddies from the boat there you go there you go there'd be a bit of swearing in the background if we sail in oh here comes something exactly all right buddy thank you for your call and we'll talk next week all right mate catch you later welcome to cams buddies jimmy Cameron how are you this week oh fantastic did you get disrupted on on Tuesday morning no of course not i didn't get disrupted on Tuesday morning i work gentlemen's hours oh lucky for some yeah i know some people so what's your topic today topic today is precisely that the disruption on Tuesday the Maori Party protest and their carry on down in parliament fake swearing on the treaty and then insulting the king as they swore the oath of allegiance what your thoughts are on those i thought that the protest was just a big bunch of unhappy socialists who have lost an election and don't want to accept the result the parties clearly campaigned on the policies there at the meeting unlike the previous Labour government who didn't and yeah it's just a big it was mostly just you know socialists and unemployed people i mean honestly well i guess there's no way there was one benefit as you were stuck in traffic behind a bus with my picture on it i know i keep seeing your fat chops all over the show mate it's bloody terrible yeah never it's like it's good you're a blogger you can no longer say that i um don't take public transport i'm i've been on several buses the um yeah now that look that the protest was just not accepting the result of the debate we've just had our election like you can't say that there's any surprises here and it's really this this three years is going to probably be quite entertaining i think disruptive but it's just hope that the none of the current MPs back down from their policy positions they got voted in on because i don't think they're going to you know i'm pretty i'm pretty sure that ACT in New Zealand first actually want the Māori party to be having protests and marching and saying outrageous racist things um because it suits their agenda um that they can stand up against it and say well you know we might not be the right sort of Māori but you know at least we're in government well that's one of the funniest things is Seymour and Winston pushing this are literally Māori and Shane Jones i mean it's just bizarre but um i i think that the problem we have is that the media sympathize with the protesters more than with the government and so the spin you see on it is much more sympathetic to you know the cause than there shouldn't be any spin on it should it should be just the facts you know they shouldn't be sympathetic to the government or the protesters they should say there was a protest today 300 people annoyed a million commuters and those are the facts well if i agree but that's just not how it is and they they seek clicks and they seek outrage and they seek you know and so they were all there with their cameras on all the over bridges and they were snapping it up and loving it just causes drama and they get clicks and we literally have to stop clicking on their pages to kill them it's just metaphorically kill the media business you know i mean it just can't it's going to damage our democracy because it's just literally not the views of the public but it's made to appear like it is yeah and and that's the thing i think the government can help with that uh by removing their advertising dollars from spending it with these organizations that spend all of their time attacking them so this they should just call in all the heads of departments from the government you know departments sit down with the finance minister and nuclear willis and she'd sit there and say well how much money did you spend on advertising on radio and and what was it for and can we knock that on the head let's just knock that on the head for six months and see how that goes and take the money off them i think it'd be hilarious i'd love to i'd love to see them do that they would just be delicious but is that like i haven't seen any sort of policy on that i think Winston made some noises during the election but i haven't actually seen any clear policy on you know advertising spend or you know shifting budgets because it's such a problem like that protest today was just basically woke marxists and activists marry and and it just pissed everyone off i talked to about it they're all late to school and late to work and late for appointments and if you watch the media seems like it was a great thing yeah because they're sticking to the government that they don't like that's the thing the media are in on it and that's what i've said they're in on it they actually want this to happen because they want to undermine the government from the very beginning of it well i don't know what to do about that but because that well we do know but there's nothing i can do about it i'm not clipped stupid and in the experts the media go to are literally people activists why don't they go to a few soft school moms who are late why didn't they bring up cams buddies well maybe i could rent them cams buddies for a bit because you guys seem to be far far more sensible than than the talking heads that the other media use well that's true but they're just i mean they just seem to go to all the the most leftist on twitter end up talking on news it's just like well this is you know there's just it's just too extreme they're not talking to the right people but i guess they just want the activation and the clicks and this yeah so i just think that protest on tuesday was just just insane basically just a pointless loss of public support for the marley party amongst the activists let's remember that the marley party only got three percent of yep three percent to vote 17 percent of the population are Maori and they can only get three percent yeah it's just not widely supported they're a minnow but but they win seats due to the you know the seat situation that they're in well debbie now we were packer debbie now we were packer on breakfast television with shane jones on tuesday morning was attacking act in my first saying well you don't you don't have very much of the vote and um you know you don't represent marley and and nobody said hang on a minute you know lady you only got three percent yeah that's half of what new zealand first got and it's less than half of what act got so act in new zealand first plus national was a majority of parliament so why don't you shut up well i thought that she rebutted chain by calling him misogynist that's because she's gotten a decent argument other than saying that he doesn't just doesn't like women which is insane well that's just typical which is not just a racist it's completely nuts because if you know who shane jones wife is you can you know he's not a misogynist because he just get a clip if he was who it was dot you famous person no she's well known in marie circles but you know she's not one to take any nonsense and she wouldn't take any misogynist nonsense from shane jones that's for sure absolutely for sure so it's just an insult like you know it's like when they say oh you're a racist you know whatever yeah said the racist i don't like your politics you're a racist i don't like you you know the argument you're misogynist it's just it's just getting so boring and i've said it before i think even on kinespade it's you're gonna they're gonna lose the meaning of the word and people are not gonna care and then when there's real racism you know it's just gonna mean nothing and it's it's a bit of kind of sad really well it's like it's like you know we get called conspiracy theorists and cookers and all sorts of nonsense like that they're just words you know and they don't mean anything they don't signify anything and that's ultimately where the marie party is sitting there are three party in opposition we'll never hear from them again inside the parliament there's nothing that they'll be able to do they'll get very few questions because that's how it works and the grown-ups will carry on governing the country for the better and you know it's it's brilliant to see that hope it just continues well that's exactly right but i hope that they don't use their position to cause big division and end up with protests on motorways and you know causing real strife and there ends up with you know police there and battens and you know just it just it just no one wants it you know it just needs to be argued out politically and if we if we don't start if we stop accepting democracy in the vote then you know we've got real problems yeah so that's exactly right they need to make a good cause and they got three years time they need to make a good cause and get voted into power and change the policies if that's what they feel that shutting down motorways is not the way to win public support no in a way they've shown them through south but it could cause some carnage in the next three years i see david siebel got heckled oh i'm sure he doesn't won't worry i'm sure he doesn't care you know imagine if people were the vaccine protest was you know heckling MPs it was all called harassment and slugity and you know total rubbish anyway jimmy thank you for your comments this week and we'll talk next week thanks cam cheers see you my buddies are awesome they never let me down and we got a few cold hard truths there for sure tell us who you think is the best of cam's buddies and why by emailing inbox at 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