Superfizz from the Eath Staker community and had such a great turnout for this Road to DevCon painting party. I'm joined with a bunch of people but I know that the painters want to get started and so what I can shoot out to you really quick is that if you want to claim the PoEP to begin participating with the canvas you're going to message the PoEP bot that is on Discord capital P capital O capital A capital P dash BOT pound 0094 and you're going to send that PoEP that bot the word Columbia C-O-L-O-M-B-I-A the bot will respond with a link and you'll be able to use that link to claim your PoEP which will give you access to the canvas and we wanted to get that out of the way very first so that you can get started. If you have any trouble with that in just a few minutes we're going to turn things over to Logic Beach and he's going to demo things. Actually did we just decide that he wants to lay the center pixel first? Yeah okay let let me turn it over right now to Logic Beach because everyone's here to paint and then we can get into business as soon as that's rocking and rolling. All right hey guys I'm Logic Beach I've been helping coordinate some of these guilds I'm gonna show you just the basics of the canvas man I should have this pulled up already there we go. Uh oh some lines. All right so once you get your PoEP once you claim it you will connect your wallet it will find your PoEP. It is now seen that I have the PoEP and so I'll sign a transaction to join or to sign in. All right so now what I'm gonna do is as you can see here I'm gonna place this red dot right in the center of Deva's face here between her eyes but what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna look for the center pixel real quick. Uh two, one, two, fifty, six, five, one, twenty, eight. Nice okay so hopefully we'll get the color red right I should have probably had the color lined up. Oh no right there okay it is placed oh no so there's a green one there so what I just did is I placed that one I'm now going to place this one too over and this one too over to the left uh someone's trolling a little bit okay no someone's got the picture we got it going okay as you can see people are starting to see the picture of Deva and getting it going cool um another thing to note is that you can easily change colors on the fly by right clicking them and matching color like that okay it looks like someone placed a well you can't do that with white apparently I've tried that earlier so you actually have to select white to place white pixels all right so Deva is started but it looks like it's maybe misaligned one second one second we're gonna get this that one there all right so what you're looking at right wait a minute what's going on here well there's a cool down of one second just so you know you can't just keep placing so what you're seeing right here is just this area of Deva I wanted to mention that anyone that helps uh create the Deva centerpiece we'll get the friends of Deva po-app there will be a raffle down the road for that it's gonna be a lot of fun so thank you anybody that can work on Deva aside from that once all of the um guilds have like their pictures made if you guys are freed up and you want to help anybody jump over to landscape guild they can use as many people as they can handle they're gonna create like a cool wash and background of um just any free space it's gonna be a good time yep that's about it for me I think thank you so much Lodge Beach I would like to point out for the record that superfizz.eth did place a blue pixel and I need that po-app sorry yeah so welcome and we wanted to get that out of the way first we're gonna go back and talk a lot more about the canvas today but this is kind of an overarching event in the road to dev con it is our painting party and we have a lot of guests here both from dev con and from po-app and from ethestaker so really quick I want to shout out the ethestaker team and then I'm going to turn it over to Skyler and he's going to shout out his team and then we'll have a little bit of conversation I am superfizz I am a dude who hangs out in ethestaker and tries to positively engage the community we think of ethestaker as welcoming first and knowledgeable second and we always look forward to people joining us patricio worth halter hello patricio is a core member of ethestaker and he also is the man behind po-app so he wears a lot of hats sometimes we're not sure how he keeps going we also are joined by our friend colfax hey guys on vetica.eth hello and I should say colfax did a lot of the organization from the ethestaker side um on vetica is running our our systems right now so thanks to those guys and our master organizer is gray wizard hello everybody and our dude who knows everything that none of us else know is lamboshi also known as nolyn hello we also have a bunch of other guests just uh so jeremiah is here from ethestaker um i logic beach is a special guest today we're glad to have uh i see mono misa um a bunch of po-app staff mariona conti is here glad to have you and defy dude we're very glad to have you as well and skyler i'd like to give you a chance to do your intros and then we'll rock on right on right on thanks thanks super fizz um so yeah i'm skyler i'm uh you might have seen me in the discord there a little bit um stoked to be here glad everyone uh is joining us on our first quest event of the road to dev con the technically our second quest um and yeah we have a couple other team members from the dev con team here as well we've got a keel who's helping us out with some ux design on our website if you guys have seen that recently updated uh he's he's uh been a big part of that franzi who's helping us out with our community involvement efforts on dev con uh we have tomo in here who is helping us out with a lot of our graphics and uh and branding design and liggy who assists us with everything related to anything technical uh and i think i think that's about all we have from the team here on this call we have quite a few other team members on the dev con team who didn't make it here uh as it's kind of late in their time zone but uh nonetheless we're here we're happy to be here we're stoked to be painting pixels with you guys all and uh uh and yeah i'll guess i'm in super fizz uh anything else you want to cover you are on mute it's it's it's funny i have a standard mute reaction that only michael knows which is to flail my arms but um patricio would you like to uh tell us just a little bit about poep art and the team that you have joining us today yes you are um so although we are doing this for having fun um the reason why we invented poep art is because we wanted to showcase that by using decentralized technologies uh powered by syrium um you can do things that you couldn't do with any other tech um because this idea that you have a collaborative canvas that multiple parties can join that doesn't require to sign up doesn't require you disclosing any personal identifiable information it only requires a non-financial token that you could tap done elsewhere it's a novel mechanic and on our mission on putting syrium on the hands of the mainstream this is a nice way to showcase that syrium it's not all about defy it's not only about financial applications there are there are many non-financial applications that are enabled by syrium that are uh live ahead for humanity so we call this an experiment at the intersection of art and tech um this is the second poep art canvas we run it's been an effort of more than 20 people many of them at this call so thank you very much everyone uh hopefully we keep getting better and better every time and and now i'm going to focus on my painting bye bye thanks patricia uh one of the things we realize is the poep art team uh so for while this is fun for all of us they are all intensely monitoring the platform to make sure that our fun goes off without a hitch um and with that in mind i want to say if something if something goes berserk don't worry um it's this is a learning experience for everyone and we're all going to be fine and have fun um and so skiler it's it's funny um we've been planning this this for probably a couple weeks um and i was like wait i don't want to get to know skiler let's wait until the call and then we'll be like it'll be like we're meeting each other for the first time so how's it going it's going well it's going well so i'm curious what what is your role with uh devcon yeah right on um so i am technically i guess the devcon operations lead so helping to sort of make and oversee the team at large for this upcoming devcon um i've been involved with devcon now for the faster years since devcon three um super passionate about it for those who haven't attended or maybe even don't even know what devcon is um devcon's the annual ethereum developers conference um it's it's really like for those who are in the community already it's like a global family reunion everyone comes together has a lot of fun learns a lot collaborates a lot for those who are new to the community it's like an intense introduction into what what what the what ethereum is about from so many different angles so it is technically we call it the developers conference but it's really um it's really for a lot more than that we do try to keep it fairly technical from a talk perspective and um and from perspectives like that but really the whole community comes whether you're a developer designer researcher project manager whatever um it's a really really good time that's awesome uh and so i've been involved with ethereum uh well it was the beginning for me so since the crowd sale since the white paper since you know the olympic test net and i've never been to a devcon and so um i've always felt so intimidated uh and one of the things that i'm hoping about this kind of event is that we can lower that that intimidation bar and so allow more people to feel like it's accessible to them um do you think that's that's going to happen yeah absolutely so i think i think um it is fair i think it could be a little intimidating from from hearing about it at first and hearing that it is the developers conference but one thing we do try to do and are trying to do with this upcoming iteration is make it recognize that the people that people come with all backgrounds so some people are completely new to devcon some people are completely new to ethereum makes it ecosystem uh so making sure that we have content for for backgrounds of all types while still recognizing that a lot of like brilliant intelligent researchers are there trying to discuss the latest and greatest of of who knows what um we still need to have these very technical topics but also welcoming uh those who are who are fresh to the community and and devcon was actually my first introduction devcon three was my first introduction to ethereum i'd known about before uh learned about it's been sort of on the on the peripherals um and arriving at devcon and attending some of these talks and just hearing the like being around so many crazy intelligent researchers developers talking about things that are uh uh what like they weren't just talking about the price of ethereum they were talking about uh how we can solve problems that the world is facing right now using ethereum what kind of technological things we need to we need to improve and while some of the talks were over my head it was kind of what made me commit to the community and and made me realize that the people working on this this stuff are some of the smartest in the world right now yeah it's it's so funny like i i like to imagine i know a lot of this stuff imagine that i know a lot of it um and then i hear donkrad talking about kate commitments and i'm like explain it to me one more time and i'm like i still have no idea what's going on so yeah i i think you know the important thing is that ethereum hits so many levels for so many different people um and we just need to recognize that as mere mortals we're not going to get everything but there's still a lot to be gained from participating um and so to zoom out on the big picture we're here today on the road to dev con why aren't we buying tickets for dev con it's a great question i think a lot of you probably have a hint um as to why not but uh but yeah so right now dev con is unfortunately indefinitely postponed um so it's usually usually takes place in the fall we had postponed it last year once postponed it again this year um and we while while we are staying optimistic that uh and while we're staying optimistic that things are improving and things are improving around the world i don't know how many of us here have their vaccinations but that wasn't possible just just a month a few months ago probably um and so things are getting better we're staying optimistic that we can have dev con soon although timelines are still pretty indefinite um so in the meantime we launched the roads dev con efforts so we want to keep the community engaged uh learning uh and collaborating uh and so with roads dev con we have also introduced the concept of quests this being one of the first quest events that we've had um where we kind of come together um experiment some web free technology talk about things related to dev con also hopefully expose a little bit more about the e-staker community uh and some other communities in future quests perhaps that are are also um important in the ethereum community and and good uh good representations of what we're about um and so so yeah this is a quest on the roads dev con we also take uh and accept community ideas for quest so if you're if you're sitting there thinking about um something something that we could perhaps do collaboratively with the group that you're a part of in the community reach out to us and let's chat about it great so and i have to say um from the ethstaker perspective i am elated to be engaged with the dev con crew um and with the poep crew this this synergy of three different communities working together to do one neat social project um is it's exciting i don't think you see that in a lot of different uh different worlds you know everyone keeps to their own little group uh so this is a a neat experience uh and i'm i'm really glad to be here um so we're gonna switch gears just a tiny bit um you know why we're here we're here the road to dev con we're learning about what's coming up with dev con and i imagine there are a lot of people who are busy dropping pixels like whoever j t n i c h o l is um and so that's not a listen man nobody i i can't even get my paint tools up so i don't even know who drew that yeah somebody loves you man um i'd like to to hand off to patricio and logic beach and colfax um as they kind of take us through our next steps sweet hey guys uh nice to see you on colfax here as superfist said a member of the ethstaker community patricio did a quick little intro of pull up dot art and sort of what we're going to be doing here on the party and many of you are familiar with pull up dot art or pull up already but if you're not i'm gonna actually show you right now how to claim your pro app and how you can go ahead and get started participating in the drawing so i'm going to share my screen here real quick all right so here i am on discord so the way you're going to claim the pro app is join the road to dev con discord server which is this one that i'm looking at right here second to load and right here you're going to look for the po app bot v2 there's the po app bot on this discord server as well as other discord servers i message the po app bot on this discord server so you're going to look for the po app bot here and then right click it and click message and now i'm going to send the message the secret word which is columbia columbia and it is going to send back a link and you click that link it's great to see that's working live um because i know there were some chatter about people having not sure what was what to do but it's great to see that it works live yeah it's great to see it there a lot of people are claiming po apps right now so it could be a little slow to load so just be patient with it you can see this is loading here and when this comes up it's going to ask for an ethereum address or you can use your ens and you're going to click claim and then your po app's going to show up in your collection so we've heard many reports of people experiencing delays but at the same time we see oh you got it there we go okay it took a while so so we got many reports of things not working well but at the same time 11 000 pixels have been placed so so it might be as low for some we just request you to bear with us and be mindful that this is an experiment and and we don't have everything sorry some stats there are 250 people online in the canvas and there are 200 on youtube um is there a leaderboard for a number of pixels um there should be yeah all the bottom if you scroll below the canvas itself you can see the leaderboard i don't want to scroll because i actually i want to be on top so i don't want to waste precious seconds well there are people thinking we're all super this correctly mariano they are bombing us they are bombing us it looks like my po app has arrived so let's click check badges um very glad to hear so so yeah um it's nice that you shown shown a screen that you just have to be patient yep hey and there we go the painting party viewer po app quest two so now this is in my collection and you can look at the rest of my beautiful collection if you'd like over time treasie always gives me a hard time that my po app collection is a big enough so i'm working hard so now you connect wallet on the other tab so now road to dev con six you can see the URL here i'm just going to reload the page looks like i have the leaderboard open this is great so i'm going to click connect wallet it's going to open up metamask and so you're going to want to use an address that you have connected with metamask and then i'm going to connect here could someone explain what is that for 20 number that your pain on our canvas is do they mean something maybe are you serious or are you kidding what do you think you might be kidding i was like i don't know maybe that's not world known i don't know and then guys that you connect your wallet you're going to click sign and participate here and it's going to open up a transaction don't worry you're not sending any ether to anybody or anything like that you're just signing the canvas with the address from your po app and you click sign here and then i should be able to drop a pixel here soon there we go so let's scroll in okay so this is dev i want to help with this because i want to get the pop it looks like this should be a blue pixel so let me see if i can uh i'll do it logic beach taught me i will grab that color and i'm going to drop this pixel right here and you guys can see there we go well done so that is how you do it guys um the links should be all over the chats for both the discord server to join uh to be able to chat the pop up the road to devcon discord server as well as the canvas and if you guys have any questions or having any trouble i just say be patient if something's being slow it'll come through just as you saw on my screen and have fun painting someone has messed up with your rule dot oh no i'm gonna have to redraw it now i want to make sure i have a final pixel on from there so i can uh get that pop up so how long this lasts so this is going to be open yeah i think for the next hour or so for the duration of the call and then we'll close it up just before the end really that's 37 minutes uh unless we decide to but yeah um i think we will likely do an extension of maybe 10 or 15 minutes i love i love the bankles bankless couldn't get their other s it became bankles i love it what is the nifty balloon eating it's eating crayons yes it's very nice so just as an overview um we're gonna hang out just a few minutes and just enjoy the canvas and hopefully i'll get our um our graffiti on it and then we will hop into some chats about uh devcon so um we'll probably start that in about five or six minutes monomisa who are you here with are you are you are you for uh are you doing priority uh logo oh i see yeah i'm working on the variety logo right now i already help a little bit with the deva but yeah as soon as we finish this i'm going to have everything put into the one with the columbian flag of course of course so um something i think nobody mentioned um everyone that places a pixel will have increased chances of getting a builder ticket for devcon so if you are watching and you didn't feel or you felt like me i won't bother maybe you do bother and and place at this one's pixel because a single pixel will give you another power up and that probably might be useful for something in the future so so don't sleep on it nice and also placing pixels is fun um it has some sort of hypnotizing sounds and you pick pick pick so so don't miss your chance of placing a pixel i definitely second that yeah so as some of you guys might have seen in the announcement we're going to have a raffle later in the event which we'll talk about a little bit more and among the prizes are some builder discount uh devcon tickets so yeah stay tuned for more information later in the call so claim your po-ups guys i also want to mention that uh there is going to be a time lapse created of this canvas as it's created i'm trying something a little weird that i talked to some friends about but i'm gonna see if i can animate my little cube guy with his eyes moving around i don't know just keep that in mind when you're thinking about drawing things that this will be uh like an animated time lapse in the end that might it's easy to dream big when you're setting them up and then you get to the canvas and you're like oh i gotta get it done yeah i'm moving his eyes right now one one frame at a time you know we should do we should engage defy dude well he's uh he's feverishly drawing and defending reality cards yep sorry guys i'm very distracted here what so yeah deva looks great uh i and again you know logic beach i was has been working really hard to um to help kind of put this canvas together and one of the ultimate goals was that we hope that it that the canvas ended up as a reflection of devcon in some way um and i find that to be not only an awesome implementation of the design but uh that it's it's coming together that's that's really impressive um devcon has a red carpet uh so if we managed to build something nice maybe this becomes a background of the photo place yeah maybe we end up broadcasting this somewhere in the venue so your work can be uh shown at devcon maybe there we'll have to see what the actual infrastructure yeah i heard about some surprises about devcon um when are we hearing them surprises about that um what do you mean something about the idea of the new being open longer hours ah okay so um there are some rumors out there and uh yeah so we'll come out we'll come out with more more more official stuff later on but yeah one of the things we're planning on doing this year at devcon is keeping the venue open much later uh accompanying that with some other efforts that we're working on uh to get more community involvement which we'll announce more formally later on but uh we are excited about about about being able to keep the venue open quite a bit longer than we have in years past which has been i think five or so p.m. um so not going to spoil the the entire announcement there but do be prepared when we do announce devcon and and devcon will happen that we will have quite a bit of uh new improvements this year so i'm i'm feeling finding someone doing a solidity logo uh but it's very subtle it is on the left of diva and i need its shades of gray and and that can only be solidity is someone saying it definitely looks like solidity i can confirm as a member of the solidity team but uh it uh compressed right now and i can also uh confirm that i am not working on it it can't believe it the colors definitely resonate i will have the money that it was yours or someone from your team no i i'm actually working on the orange part of diva um on the nose but uh that looks really like the solidity logo nice shout out whoever is working on this so something else to note um la pandilla who are the argentinian guys have been extremely respectful of luscious beach uh keel on the lower left corner and instead of overriding them the yersha is painting around yeah la la pandilla i i reached out to them i said hey hey i'll make a detour it's gonna be okay yeah we moved a variety logo because of that we went we didn't want to fight with them that's been smart so um the 9 000 pixels have been placed so far by 300 people skyler is now a good time if you want to introduce um some of the um some of the speakers who have who are going to share with us more about defcon yeah yeah for sure absolutely so so one of the things we wanted to also do as part of this quest is talk a little bit about some of the upcoming um upcoming things we have for defcon some of the things we've been working on in the in the extra time that we've had uh and so i mean one of the main things that we've been trying to do with defcon is to make it more of a community a community planned event community gather a lot more involvement from our community here like it is an event for our community it is not a for-profit event we're not trying to make money off this event we're doing this for the benefit of all of you uh and so for that we want to get your guys's input we we the devcon team can't don't know everything about what you guys want to see there and i think it becomes a lot more fun sort of like this community um community uh art canvas that we're all contributing to if devcon can be a place where everyone contributes um so to chat a little bit more about that i'm going to pass it off to liggy uh and then frenzy to go a little bit about the dip processes and rfps that we've created you guys there yes hello can you hear me test one two three yep we got you wonderful and can you see the screen um yeah basically we uh decentralization is not only about code basically it's i think also for important for defcon as an event from the e f um and for that we created some things like one thing you see there is now we have a github organization where you can can contribute to our website to tools we use for example for the payment uh for the archive and for for the dip's the ip's are a little bit like the um eip's from ethereum or pip's from python um so you can basically contribute your ideas and you'll see some that we have here so they you contribute them on github or via the forum and then they will end up here so the first one is like the ip uh zero um just describing the process one i'm really excited about is um making defcon carbon neutral um basically we work together with co token they submitted this dip and um this way we try to make um be responsible like pos uh is coming so we try with ethereum to be a bit more on the ecological side and alongside the other advanced advantages of pro stake um you see um it has the status accepted there are also some that unfortunately didn't make it um with audio there was a problem unfortunately with the licenses uh there um so um yeah we have a flight and hotel booking um from winding tree basically so in the process of buying a ticket that you can use an um decentralized system to book your um flights in the hotel we have the treasure hunt game really excited about that played already some treasure hunts from uh from them they used the thc the treasure hunt generator and uh it's a beautiful treasure hunts also uh decentralized zero knowledge proves very exciting keycards so people might get a keycard everyone um for defcon basically a hardware wallet it's a project from status um and we will also use these it's also like building blocks basically so um that you can build up um on top of these uh things so if you want to um submit a dip um for example using the dip 5 the keycard so you want to use a keycard that's your option there um yeah we have adaptation based ticketing for um proof of attendance yeah protocol basics um crypto onboarding escape room it's a different also a game basically yeah different stuff um if you don't want to submit your um dip via github we would encourage that but not everyone is technical so and we've also wanted cater for those people because they're also important we have the forum so you can just put ideas there and then we can work with you to manifest it into a dip um or other stuff that you have like we want to get more get more bottom up you know that it's not just an event put out by the ethereum foundation it's basically a first step to decentralize the whole thing and um get more community involvement and just make it a much better experience um yeah with that i will hand it over to frenzy which uh has some more information about it yes amazing thank you leaky um so uh how we already saw just now in the screen chair we have this forum um dot defconn dot org if you did not visit it yet please um please visit it and have a look because there's basically two ways how you can now get involved in um contributing to defconn the one way is you just visit the forum you look at the discussion topics that are going on right now and you um you contribute either by sharing your opinion or maybe sharing an idea that you always wanted to see at defconn so you can do that without any further do you can just share it and drop it in the forum and see what the response will be that's the one way how you can uh get feedback and how you can get involved into contributing possibly to the next defconn and the other way maybe if you need some more inspiration is that you can have a look at the rfps rfps are requests for proposals um so basically they are requests from the defcon team that ask uh you guys um that we need specific help with or where we think that that would be a nice addition um to share so basically um you could go to the defconn uh dot org forum dot defconn dot org forum and there click on the rfp category and then you see all the requests for proposals that we have um and i want to highlight two of them i mean we have a lot of rfps they're already and please do make sure to monitor the rfp category in the forum uh also in future because actually um there will be many initiatives how the community can get involved much more hands-on than in other defconns before and uh they i'm unable to share them with you right now which is a shame but uh i will soon be able to share them and there will be more rfps coming up in future so please make sure to monitor the rfp category if you are an interest group or community that wants to get involved in defconn but um for now i want to highlight two rfps already one rfp is rfp number three uh game for attendees where uh you can just check it out if you like but i'm just gonna go through it very quickly it's an rfp which covers the idea that would be nice to have a game that the attendees of defconn could play throughout the entire um defconn event basically uh maybe you've been to other conferences before where uh games were there offered that you can play throughout the whole um defcon or i remember just in defcon osaka we had games um organized by the community that were amazing like scavenger hunts throughout the venue and so on so this is basically the category for those kind of games um and if you are interested in this please check out the game for attendees rfp rfp number three um and even closer to my heart and also very fitting to today's event is rfp number two which is a visual blockchain experience so basically calling all of the artists here but not only artists but also people interested in data or maybe the intersection of data and art that would be the best possible combination we would love to in some way display uh in the defcon venue a blockchain visualization or something that has to do with analyzing what is actually happening on ethereum and just transform it into art there are already amazing initiatives out there that do something like this for example based on analyzing the output of the different blocks of ethereum um some analyze uh there's this transaction visualization which compares bitcoin to ethereum which is also really nice so um imagine stuff like this but maybe even more crazy or even more artistic um all of the guys that are interested in yeah data and uh then data and art that are really really welcome to um to apply uh basically hand in a dip for this rfp number two a visual blockchain experience if you go to the forum and look at this rfp you can also see that uh there's a link of the venue as well so you can already see it's a video um how the venue in columbia will look like and um maybe that will inspire you to even better think about okay where could this artwork fit how could we display it the best um but in any case if you have uh even only a broad idea um you can put it in the forum and we can discuss it there further and yeah i guess that's it with regards to requests for proposals that are currently on the table but as i said stay tuned for proposals that are coming up and um if i am reaching any artist out there right now please also make sure to just post something in the forum or reach out to me individually because uh we want to display a lot of amazing art there which does not only need to be focused on uh data visualization so if you are an artist uh in the blockchain space um feel free to reach out to the defcon team because we would love to have um as much art displayed as possible that's uh that's it from my side awesome awesome absolutely thanks so much frenzy thanks leghi so yeah you guys want to contribute or participate check out forum.devcon.org um so that's where all these rfps are listed that's where if you have an idea for devcon anything from uh there should be a meditation space to we want to integrate our project um at devcon somehow and dog food web three technology post the idea on forum.devcon.org we'd love to hear it so pass it back over to you superfizz awesome um great job both of you uh i like i said as someone who hasn't attended devcon i've always been the the jealous bystander it's it's really great to get to get a a better view of the whole picture so you know while the road to devcon wasn't the ideal situation i think it has a lot of potential to improve access to information for those of us who just didn't make it before so that's that's pretty awesome i'm gonna make a quick comment always um painting it's not anonymous your ethereum account the account you have the power of leaks so for example we found out uh that the person doing the solidity uh image is alex berksasi from the solidity team so so so uh if you are vandalizing somebody else's artwork uh be mindful that you might be shame and call out in the future i love that but also let's know he does not vandalize anybody just no no no no no no i love we have the assumption of anonymity and then it's oh by the way we actually know who you are so for a long time we wanted to bring anonymity to pull up and and to make it privacy preserving um but the technology is not there yet um making ck stuff on the ethereum mainnet it's extremely expensive so so we have to accept but but it is nice it's nice because when everything about ethereum 2 ethereum 2 still doesn't bring privacy preservation on the base layer but ethereum 3 might so so it's like having a car rod for for tech development um ethereum 2 is not the end of the game um native privacy preserving primitives would be something really exciting to have so so for the most technical people ethereum has plenty places to go before we feel like we have run out of ideas great um i'd like to say the mountains coming into the background are absolutely awesome if people it's funny because i'm like i don't know how many of the actual pixel droppers are here with us or if they're in their own little worlds but um those mountains coming in are really great um i would it would be great to see those fleshed out and with that um i want to i want to start with logic beach um you did a lot of work connecting with communities and kind of giving a grander idea to this canvas can you talk to us about um how you connect with communities and how others can get involved because we're going to do more of these um how can people how can they get on this uh this is sort of by the seat of my pants i had i had tried to organize the berlin canvas and ultimately i missed it because it was at four in the morning but this one i was really focused on just trying to get as many people from as many different communities i could that wanted to express themselves um in the future um i i love i love the idea of you know maintaining the role of someone that wants to coordinate uh different communities to do this together so uh if anyone wants to be involved obviously they can just jump right in and do their own thing and that's fun and that's fine too but there's something special when you get a lot of people together to make like a coherent picture uh so uh i helped people start guilds like a few people would approach me and say hey we're this these people from this team uh what can we do and so i'd open a i'd start a guild forum in the discord and they could just like plan and everything i also i i'm an artist myself so i really enjoy taking people's just images and like scaling them down and making pixel art with them too so that was actually a lot of fun for me um just like getting to play uh i don't know like commissioned artists just like to create pixel art something that i've never really done before pixel art was it's new to me but i've really enjoyed it but anyone that wants to get involved and in any future uh canvas they can obviously just do it anyways but if you guys want to plan and i like i'm here to help people like get a guild going start a plan i can help you with the art that sort of thing yeah great and i i don't want to suggest either you're the original artist for this deva image but you did a great job of interpreting it for pixel art so and i know you went through several iterations so this this actually looks really great i appreciate that yeah i actually looked up um some tutorials about how to take an image and scale it down without interpolation so it would stay pixelated and then i go up and clean them up and make it like nice so yeah that was a lot of fun the the deva one worked out really well because it was i think it was a vector image it could easily be scaled and looked clean no matter what you did uh so i actually had to turn into a png and do all this stuff but yeah the art and like the technical side is very fun for me so i'm having a blast great skyler are we able to give a shout out to the original artist but tomo is there actually in the call i believe so tomo say hi to everyone hi yeah so yeah i just great like i mean i mean you know like everybody has you know give us some give me the feedback to iterate the deva so it's a collaborative for to make this yeah thank you it is it is a beautiful design so thank you for sharing that with us thank you um it looks like we're about time so i won't i won't steal this thunder cool facts what do you want to talk about great question fizz thanks um so what i'm going to talk about next is an exciting thing that's going to happen here on this call i don't know if you guys have ever participated in a po-app.fun raffle before but i know many of you probably have but there are many different features to the po-app platform so we're using po-app.r right now which your po-apps make you eligible to participate in the drawing and po-app.fun raffles are po-app driven raffles where if you have a given po-app you can actually enter into a raffle and if you have multiple po-apps that are eligible you actually increase your odds of winning the raffle so each each po-app is kind of like a lottery ticket so i'm going to show you guys the two raffles that we're going to be executing here maybe in about 30 minutes i'll show you guys how to join them and i'll explain to you the eligibility and the prizes so let me share my screen here all right so i'm going to close out i'm going to stop drawing just for a few minutes and so we're doing two raffles today and we'll be pushing the links out soon for these actually you know why don't we just paste them can uh sam can you paste the links that i posted into the chats so the two raffles we're executing today are going to be raffling off some very exciting prizes as we mentioned earlier we're raffling off some builder discount devcon tickets and we're actually going to also be raffling off the nft from the painting party that we're doing right now so we're going to be minting an nft of the final canvas and it's going to be owned by the winner of one of the raffles today just something to note the po-app that our team is busy building lots and lots of features so actually still working on the nft minting feature so that might take a little while but we'll talk about that a little bit longer a little bit later so the two raffles here are the first one is we want to give some recognition to all these contributors in the ethereum ecosystem so there's a number of po-apps that make you eligible for this raffle one of which is the genesis depositor for the beacon chain that's your e2 validators all previous devcon po-apps so devcon one two three four and five are all eligible for this raffle um any participants in the midasha test net those po-apps are eligible and then also all ethereum.org contributor po-apps are eligible and so if you have any of those po-apps you're going to go to po-app.fund slash 241 and we'll be sending those links out if we haven't already and you come here again um you'll see you'll can it'll ask you to connect your wall so you can see my wall it's connected here with my po-apps and you click here join raffle so i'm going to do that right now and you just sign again you're not sending any transaction or anything you're just signing and here we go now i'm in so you can see 18 people have already signed up and i just have one of the po-apps and when is the draw happening the draw is going to be happening at the end of this call so in about 30 minutes so make sure to sign up right away yeah and and please uh people watching if you're so kind and help us bring the message on the channels you are in if you are in discord if you are in youtube please let the people around you know that they can sign in on this raffle for for a heavy discounted ticket and or not a ticket i'm sorry for the nft and for a seat on the trivia game there we go so i just dropped the links in the youtube chat so this is one raffle and that's the eligibility for that and then the second raffle is very similar prizes and the eligible po-apps are the two road to devcon quest po-apps so that's going to be your devcon survey if you submitted that you get a po-app for that and then also the po-app for this call so all viewers of the call will be eligible for this po-app now i'm going to talk a little bit more about the prizes here so as you can see devcon trivia game ticket for those of you who've read more about the road to devcon quests uh for the person on youtube there is a link it's just not showing up as a hyperlink so it's the hbs po-app.fund slash 242 there we go thank you ethereum foundation so the next quest that's happening is going to happen in six weeks on july 10th and it's going to be a devcon trivia game and the way we're actually going to select the people that are going to participate in the trivia is through this raffle today and so the top 20 winners of the raffle for each of these two raffles are going to get a devcon trivia game ticket and you're actually going to be a participant in the trivia game so you want to study up on your ethereum and your devcon knowledge so you can uh participate while there and then the next 15 slots are waitlist slots so just in case we're not able to reach somebody who want a ticket or somebody can't make it you're going to be on the waitlist here for these next few slots so stay tuned as well um quick note if you do win the raffle we'll go over more details later but it's important that you reach out afterwards once the raffle draws oh it looks like a bunch of people have already entered here once the raffle draws you'll get an email address that you'll be able to uh reach out to us we'll talk a little bit more about that later but yeah so just to go over the prizes again raffle one is the raffle where there's a lot of the ethereum contributors past devcons co-apps the number one prize for that is going to be your nft from the painting party a builder discount devcon ticket and a devia devcon trivia game ticket the next two get both the the discounted devcon ticket and a devcon trivia game ticket and then the next 17 or so get a devcon trivia game ticket and the other raffle where the quest co-apps or the eligibility ones the first three people will be getting their builder discount devcon ticket as well as the devcon trivia game ticket and then the next 17 will be getting their devcon trivia game ticket and then some waitlist slots after that so i encourage you guys claim your props it looks like so many people already jumping in here this is super exciting um and yeah join the raffles and we'll be drawing them in about 20 to 25 minutes so so yeah enjoy i'll pass it back off to fizz yeah thanks so much cool facts and i want to point out about the timing for this call um it is it's going to the bottom of the next hour so we're looking at about 46 minutes left i'm sorry 36 minutes left i can't do clock math uh yeah so one other thing i wanted to point out let's not forget um deva looks really good uh but don't forget that if you contribute to dropping pixels in deva uh you will receive a specific co-app um and to me honestly that would be the the highest prize because you're you're here and you're contributing to the the goal that we all share of making a a beautiful road to devcon canvass so um i think i will let skylar introduce akile um and we'll go from there yeah sounds good um so next up so if you guys remember we we sent out a survey a while back um that was the quest number one and we actually had a significant number of people filled out uh and it wasn't that the shortest survey ever so appreciate everyone who spent the time to do that uh this the insights were actually super valuable and to chat about those a little bit and also just to have a little bit more casual conversation here um akile uh akile's on the call here um part of the devcon team uh user experience designer um so i'll pass it over to him thanks guys actually first time caller long-time listener so i want to kind of commend all the work that's been done by fizz and team patricio um lembo she etc like i've been watching the community kind of grow and become what it has become and it's amazing to see the way that you guys operate behind the scenes how polished it is uh how much you work and love kind of goes into it um so it's really interesting the topic that you kind of raised earlier fizz around getting more people involved in the community and making sure those individuals that don't have the technical background have some sort of representation within devcon so that's something that we've been thinking about a lot um and personally i came into the theorem ecosystem because of proof of stake similar to most of the individuals that might be on this call uh from the stake community uh i was maybe five six years a little bit too early and without a technical background so i had to personally navigate those conversations and the community myself so i wanted to kind of understand um what does that experience look like nowadays for you guys um especially with the great work that you guys are doing and then what does that experience look like for you personally and how do you think each staker has kind of maneuvered and improved that experience for individuals coming into the theorem ecosystem oh that's so it's it's funny because i i wasn't i wasn't expecting to be asked a question then i was like oh he's gonna ask me a question it's something i like to talk about um i so the development of the each staker ecosystem has been really serendipitous like i think we we saw the opportunity coming and we worked hard to ramp up quickly for um a lot of new users who we knew would be interested in staking and we wanted to set the bar low we wanted to be welcoming first and knowledgeable second because um like it can be really overwhelming and even if you have a lot of technical background walking into this ecosystem and and just hitting the ground running is is nearly impossible you've got to have somebody to kind of help you get in and so we wanted to fill that void and it really worked out especially with solo staking i i like to believe that each staker significantly increased the proportion of solo stakers and there's no data to support that all i can do is go based on my gut feeling but i'm really proud of that perception that that we did increase a lot of solo staking and where we're at now is a really interesting transition and i don't talk about this a lot publicly but we're in this transition where people who are going to solo stake have and the people now who are interested in staking um maybe don't have 32 ether and as as a community organizer i'm not really confident or comfortable um promoting the staking solutions the pool staking solutions are that are available and i'm not comfortable promoting the exchange based staking and so we're in this kind of um i hate to say but it's a limbo of waiting for a staking solution that is really community based rather than lining the pockets of a third party and and so my hope is that we can sort of i don't want to say starve them out but i want to urge the community to wait until someone steps up with that solution and then go in with pool staking or whatever solution they present and anyone who knows me knows that you know i have my eye on something and i sure as heck hope it works out um but yeah that's where we are right now it is a little bit of a tough spot because i never like to be just waiting for something but um i'm very happy with where we are and i'm very happy with the support we've provided to the community so do you see any more opportunities as far as like you mentioned being or feeling a little bit hesitant towards attending DEF CON are there certain opportunities or ways we could improve that or remove that hesitation it is somewhat of a developer conference as a position but there is community opportunity for other sides of the community that are crucial for the decentralization of what we're doing to be a part of that conversation at some point what do you think could be done to kind of improve that conversation um you know i it's not it's not my style to like i don't have any critique for DEF CON the what i know about DEF CON i you know i almost put it on a pedestal i think a lot of us put it on a pedestal it's like this this top notch production um and i think for me it it may be that that intimidation of um just going and not knowing how to fit in after you know at this point i have a lot of friends who i know would be there um but a lot of what i think for the new people is not knowing if they'll have somebody to connect with there will there be a place for me to go where i fit in or will i be the guy who's sitting in the corner of his laptop like messaging my friends at home because i i don't know how i ended up here so i i think helping individuals find a comfort a comfortable spot or maybe their own click when they're there if they don't come with the group would be a neat way to help more people feel comfortable i think that's kind of been the aim with the quest and the the forums and the discord community and the other efforts that have been kind of going on with the world to DEF CON is finding or allowing people to find that core community to kind of latch into as we progress towards the event uh so you mentioned a little bit about you messaging your friends or maybe someone else on the call wants to share once they got like fully engaged with the theorem community how did they describe a theorem to their family and friends in the first place or why they're on a Saturday call painting pixels um with strangers from all over around the world how does that fit in with the ethos of the community what does that mean for you when you're your future plans etc yeah this is victor uh i i can speak to this actually um one thing that i really like about ethereum and and that i love about DEF CON specifically um is that you can make friends so easily by just knowing one person at a time like if you just get to know one person not even like best friends with them or anything just like spot them out in a crowd um just go hang out with the group that they're in right and then become friends with those people um you don't have to try very hard just talk to them and if you like them get their telegram or their discord or any other way to reach them and then later that day when you're hanging out text them and be like hey what are you up to you want to hang out and then go hang out with them and then get to know their friends and then just keep going and going and you know you're not you're not networking you're not trying to get ahead you're not trying to like spot an opportunity or get anything from people like your only job and the only thing you should be trying to do is just like be yourself and hang out and try to have a good time and find the people that you like um and then just just build on that um and i've been doing that for the last couple of years that i've been around and and crypto and ethereum specifically and now like when i go to DEF CON i go and just see see all my friends that i haven't seen from around the world for the entirety of the previous year so it is a lovely lovely experience um and it's worked really well for me I agree and i feel like a lot of the individuals in the ecosystem are connectors so like personally i got connected through the few key individuals like Robbie Bent and Josh Stark etc that were core part of the Toronto community etc but those were like very key connectors in the community similarly i feel like now face has probably become a connector to anyone that's coming into the ecosystem with each staker and then Patricio obviously with his full app connections and so forth so like understanding what the connectors and connecting with them in some manner and making sure that you get out the and the fact that you're interested in doing something so even like i believe logic beach is probably somewhat new to the ecosystem and he's taken up quite a bit of a responsibility for this event so the opportunities really exist for you to make the most out of it it just putting yourself out there um i kind of hand it over to scholar to talk a little bit more about DEF CON and any questions anyone might have yeah absolutely thanks Keele um and one thing i also note with with regards to superfaces comments about um about coming and attending DEF CON alone so the way i actually got introduced to the community and my first DEF CON was i volunteered as a volunteer um and this was at DEF CON 3 back when we had only 15 or so volunteers but at the last at the last DEF CON we had i think around a hundred some volunteers uh and it was a great community of people so i came so i think if you are to come alone and you're looking for friends and you're looking to have a good time volunteering at DEF CON is an awesome opportunity to do so um and uh well we haven't released any details on how to do that yet they will be coming out uh so keep an eye on the on the twitter diva twitter and on the blog but uh but it's a pretty cool way to automatically come to DEF CON and have a community right from the start um and uh and yeah i guess like i don't know how much time we have left in this this this part here but i wanted to open up to just any questions about um about DEF CON if people here on the call have have have questions regarding i don't know sort of like a little mini ask me anything ask us anything um about DEF CON we're happy to have a dancer here and uh provides authority yeah i have some housekeeping info um the canvas will run for 15 minutes there from there we go to the ruffles if you haven't checked the ruffles please do because you need to sign it into them and the presses are called the ruffle links have been posted on the announcement channel on discord and there's been 95 000 pixels placed already so so um state team for the finish line right on right on we're almost there it's coming together it's looking good the canvas um yeah so maybe maybe a question that we get a lot obviously is when DEF CON so i answered at the beginning but i'll rephrase this right now reemphasize it and the answers we don't know um we're staying optimistic on the team that potentially something's possible before the end of the year if not we're looking at next year um we are monitoring the global situation obviously and one of the cool things about the conference is how global our community community is uh and uh one of the hardest things about planning a conference right now is how global our community is so it doesn't make it any easier um but there are some conferences that are happening that are taking place other community conferences that are taking place between now and um and later this year including ecc which i think is scheduled to happen in july 20th in paris um so that's planning to happen um hopefully i'll see some of you folks there and hopefully that goes off without a hitch um but if some of these other conferences and events can happen without without problems we we look more optimistically towards DEF CON happening sooner than later but uh it will happen at some point no doubt um anyone else on the call have questions about DEF CON that we can answer anything um um any burning questions if not i can talk about some other stuff have you placed a pixel skylar i have placed a pixel i placed a couple on on diva and then i intended to start drawing something else and realized i was going to run out of space quick and so i erased it so something interesting that we're trying out to see or hopefully with the online presence is web 3 integration um so we're looking for ideas on how to leverage that maybe perhaps are a part of that so the more perhaps you collect on the road to DEF CON perhaps there's some benefits that you'll get within the actual experience and so forth but it was interesting when we did put out the user survey around how many people are using web 3 technologies on a day-to-day basis which weren't uh financial use cases and we got the the results that it was quite high so i don't know what community that was but i'm curious to hear what people are using what 3 for on a day-to-day basis within the community just to kind of understand where those results came from because personally i'm not using it on a day-to-day basis so curious what are you guys doing come live in one of these and you will need it sorry so again come live to Buenos Aires and and you will need it to use cryptocurrencies for your financial needs yeah so other than like the non-financial applications are you guys using any dApps on a regular basis and what do those look like usually well i can tell you that there are three hundred and twenty four people using Poab out that's what i was gonna say my primary go ahead uh connected not only to poab art but i think one thing that's just incredibly useful is enes domain so now you could obviously also log into poab using your enes an address that is connected to enes so now when i put a pixel on the canvas i actually see francy.eth and not some arbitrary address which is nice so and also connecting the enes domain to an actual domain is i think an amazing way to and then host this on ipfs that's what i basically learned in the last year of my job how to host websites not only on web 2 but basically using ipfs and enes domains how to yeah basically decentralize your web presence a bit further it's still a bit unpleasant if you want to update regularly but other than that it's quite a cool opportunity that i use i wanted to say i talk it's weird i admit that i'm obsessed with some things i'm obsessed with poab and i talk about it all the time but it is a great non-financial use for ethereum and i i think it's it's probably i don't think it's before it's time i think it's at the right time and i think it has the potential to expand to a lot of different use cases um and it's it's i was actually thinking to myself last night like why do i participate in poab so much is it is it because of the the idea that maybe it's eventually going to be tied to some kind of airdrop and if i get enough poabs then i'll be on the airdrop but it's it's not really that it is just this neat concept of um documenting my history with ethereum in a way that was never possible before which i i just i find that really neat like i can scroll back through my my poab collection and know what i was doing a month ago or a week ago um and so i really feel like that use cases is just going to continue to to grow and grow so i i don't know of another non-financial use case for ethereum that is as well developed as poepis has anyone been participating in any of the newer games or any new solutions that have kind of come out i want to mention this i saw you superfizz coming up but i i feel like you were gonna probably mention dark forest i love dark forest i on the uh they released their version 0.05 uh a few months back and i got so into it i didn't do anything for a week and i actually had to refrain from playing version 0.06 if they just released a week ago because i really wanted to be involved with this canvas and i knew if i got if i got under my dark forest uh playing like i i wouldn't do anything else it's a great game it's a it's a non-financial application i believe it's uh it's built on ethereum and it's on the x-tai network it's it's fantastic it's incredibly addictive i had to give away my invite keys this time as well because last time i couldn't do anything for a week so yeah but it's i can also recommend it and the aesthetics are extremely nice as well yeah and i do want to mention that also my computer couldn't do anything else for a week because to get the map you basically are hashing pixels and it does it uses your gpu like all the way maxed out at least that's what i i did it's a lot of fun it's it's fun on multi like it's multifaceted fun it makes the fact that it's on blockchain like you couldn't do what's happening on that game without blockchain and so it's super cool it's there's so much to it the team has done a great job yeah that's i i was i was in the dark forest black hole from december january and february of this year and i i know that my team was like where is he what are you doing and i'm like leave me alone i'm doing something important um but yeah it's it's a great thing i just realized i have a key that i'd like to give away um and so if you want to check out poep dot fun after um after this call i will raffle a uh dark forest key there um that should be a little fun um so i think we are oh and nothing makes me happier on these canvases than to see the ethereum logo like never forgetting why we're here i don't know uh that was very religious um so i think colfax is going to talk now about the raffle oh yeah it's that time guys so let's see here i'm going to bring up the raffles and we're going to start drawing them very soon how many did you sign up let's see just one second here i feel like one second like in berlin we got the timing right because the canvas was starting to get too crowded and it's finishing in six minutes so so very cool so raffle one we have 180 perhaps they're signed up and raffle two we have 257 interesting great so why don't we trigger the drawing what do you say should we do one after another should we draw on both at the same time so so i my personal desire is that we wait until the canvas finishes because i'm protecting my stuff and i couldn't watch the draw it sounds good like this is this is quite a stressful um yeah it certainly is i'm not a lot do we save five more minutes for the canvas yeah i think it's four now no six sorry six perfect so then i'm gonna have the raffle start triggering right when that happens so that's okay at 20 minutes after the hour correct and could you explain how the raffle finds random numbers which is something that you'll wonder about i will it's so cool i'll explain that in just a second while he's setting that up um lunch beach can you can you shout out any of the guilds that you feel like have really stepped up today yeah i wonder if i can remember most of them by name uh yeah a giant shout out to the dev kind of group making dev happen was kind of the goal for me uh like i really wanted to see that happen so great job guys that looks fantastic it looks exactly like the photoshop image that i put up so nifty dot ink i love that group they did they did exactly what they set up to do i don't know about the red balloon i guess you couldn't make it um but they see a little neat in a crayon that gives me a good laugh every time i like what reality cards did you're i don't know if you guys were behind the color of that but that is cool uh the daily guay yeah uh he he actually looks a little bit different than i expected his eyes are open good job that looks neat um lapandia did exactly what they said they were going to do which is border the entire thing in a the blue flag is that the flag of columbia argentina argentina right on that's uh my vexology is is poor i wasn't sure which flag it was um who else do i know that it's called vexology i love that there's a subreddit called vexology okay the mountains are great um landscape guild i think if they if they had more human power behind this they could have really done uh i mean i love the mountains and i love the shading i was trying to help with that like i want to see that happen on a canvas like that needs to happen like the entire wash of mountains and like a sky and stuff it looks fantastic guys i'm trying to see you guys whoever did bender i'm a huge future rama fan so kudos to you that artwork looks incredible the canvas this time is four times the size of the one from berlin and we've done such a good job filling it up i mean it's it's really beautiful i have yeah and somebody's uh got rainbow road going uh i don't i think who who is helping me draw super fizz i see chris garner was helping me draw the super fizz someone that hasn't gotten a shout out and it was a fundamental member of this endeavor it's uh rami rand rami rand has developed the painting but we most most are using was that bot active in this canvas i guess i didn't use it um but all that the work that he did on that bot was fantastic i i played with it a little bit and it works exactly like you'd expect people use it can we tell what we used what used the bot and what didn't i'm curious um so you paste an image and the bot creates a sequence of all the pixels you need to paint for that image to be displayed as fast as possible and and that i think it's what lapandisha is using um i don't think they have placed all those pixels one by one i placed all my pixels one by one what have you drawn mariana i helped uh i helped with uh with the flag okay uh they have you have you placed one on diva so you get a diva painter pow up i did uh i hope it stays so i also deleted somebody else's pixel and paint it oh i i've done the same okay so i just hope nobody does that to my single pixel well um i've done it like in five places just in case my friend here is uh collecting names that helped with deva as the as it happened like she's not doing it after the fact so even if you placed it and it was covered up there's a chance she got it although think about it it's hundreds of pixels she had to go and collect addresses from so we'll see how uh accurate we are uh we're closing in one minute i i'd like to uh we mentioned rami ronda i want to bring that up because even when the raffle starts it'll still take a few moments for it to launch rami rond not only created the the poep automated graffiti tool graffiti tool graffiti tool but he also developed a poep or it's sorry a graffiti wall tool that you find on um beacon chain and so we'd love for you to give that a try that's all developed by steakhouse which is the eat steak or development branch that is led by colfax and he's gonna now hop into the raffle awesome yeah i again shut up rami ronda he's doing some awesome work with with art so i i think that the raffle has started the raffle has started guys so this is the moment we've all been waiting for now i'm going to talk to you about a little bit about the mechanics of how the raffle works so you guys can see here again all these participating poep's here each one of them has a number associated with them it's like this one for example is 27 nine oh five four um each one of them has a number now the cool part here is it's basically an elimination over time of poep's getting eliminated from the drawing and what is happening as you can see here the gas limit of each ethereum block that passes by the the last digit of this gas limit is uh going to eliminate the poep's that have that as their last digit and so as so poep's are probably being eliminated here as we go so leaderboard will climb all the way up from last place all the way oh sorry chris gardener um oh i see some familiar faces here superfizz is already eliminated it looks like a few different uh filled out eth there uh so people are getting eliminated as the last number in their poep matches the last number in the gas limit uh for each ethereum block that passes by so it's a very cool way to like have decentralized randomness so to speak to sort of select who is going to win this this uh this raffle and as you can imagine eventually all of the poep's are going to have the same last number and when that happens we're going to move on to the next digit over in the poep IDs so how are your poep's doing colfax i have four in one and two in the other one yet let's see here i think i so i have two i have one in raffle one and i have two in raffle two i wonder if i'm still standing let me see now i have one on one and three on the other one and something else that's pretty cool so we can actually try and identify who's remaining i think i'm out in both of them because it doesn't look like i'm here but you can click on the poep and you can view their poep collection and we can try and see who these uh try and guess who these people are based on their poep collection okay so i'm going to be the goofball here um i can't remember the prizes for really i just want to know what i'm going to win because i'm going to win the first one all good so i'll review the prizes so in raffle one the number one winner is going to actually get the nft mint of the canvas that we drew today they will also get in a theory or a builder discount dev con ticket and a ticket to the dev contravia coming up in six weeks the next two people will get their dev discounted dev con ticket as well as a trivia seat and then the next 17 people will get trivia seats and then after that we have some weightless trivia seats just in case we uh we need a call on those people now the raffle two is very similar those are so much fun this is going to be so much fun uh raffle two is very similar except we're not uh minting off at nft or raffling off the nft for raffle two that's going to be in raffle one something to mention while we wait mariana conty has been the account that plays the most pixels um has placed 2800 and hasn't been using a bot wow that's very impressive i take this painting parties very seriously i can see that you apparently take everything how are you doing on the on the raffles are you still running uh let me see i have three on raffle one i have two on that one and i and i have one on the second i do so too and on the second there's a still 94 and the first one there's 57 uh one nice thing when we move to egyptium too um is that we will know how long this will take because the block times are deterministic but we still won't know how long uh we'll know because the exclusions are still random like you can have multiple exclusions for the same thing that don't remove one uh good point true true oh so i'm out on the second one that's too bad my remaining poep on the first raffle is the only poep that i ever purchased which it's my devcon four poep i wasn't there but i bought one all right guys on raffle one you can see here we already have some prizes coming through so nanx nanx cool dot has the first hey has the first uh devcon trivia game ticket waitless oh sweet so congratulations hopefully uh well i guess hopefully many people are excited about trivia and they claim their tickets but if not there's a chance you might be able to to join on the trivia game so yeah if you haven't seen these trivia games they're kind of a staple in the east sacred community and they're quite a lot of fun so that's going to be july 10th at the same time six p.m utc so stay tuned for more details on that there's details in the posts about the quests it's going to be quest number three and we're really excited to to help post that as well um how many on the leaderboard on the right will get prizes the first 50 the first i think it's 45 okay sorry 35 people the top 35 so now everybody remaining in raffle one will get at least a prize one of the the at least a wait waitless ticket prize or an actual ticket to to trivia so something else to share while we wait um all these products in the poep ecosystem for a park for a fun um and others uh they are open source anyone in the community can use them we are always looking for new fun use cases so if you run communities in your city or if you think that this could be useful in your school or elsewhere um reach out to us and we will help you uh get you set up it's funny you say in your school because my fantasy is that like a school ends up using poep as an attendance token um well i can tell you people are using poep from the mit to stanford um from cost to cost bye frenzy thank you for coming today bye have fun i um have your raffles stalled call fox i don't know what's going on last digit eight let me refresh the page superfaces out i i saw the same view oh no it did load eventually all right cool yeah at all okay that's something broken no it did load eventually yeah for a second i thought i was still in the in the game and i got really excited but unfortunately not all right looks like my screen might have been a little frozen so we've been drawing uh these winners this is amazing so guys on raffle one we're starting to pass out the dev contribute game tickets um martin tell has got one martin tell superfaces you got a ticket did i holy crap i was like oh i've been outed well i i mean if superfaces got a ticket that means we will go through the waitlist because we will play oh yeah i'm on the waitlist and i think i'm going to win uh but yeah oh shim's currently got a ticket good wow good good and i wonder who will get the nft i got a uh waitlist but i've written all the questions so all i know is i have a dev contribute ticket and i know the guy who wrote the questions hey uh quick question about the second uh raffle if i had two perhaps do they both play or does it just choose one of them um we yeah but if both of you win uh we go through the waitlist of course yep it looks like me and my wife are still in the top 35 for the second raffle so that's cool i think i think i control f and look for uh lodger beach and i only found one so far so some programming note um i want to update everybody on the big picture uh so it's 230 and we were going to end the call um the plan right now is just to give the uh poep drawing enough time to complete and then skyler and i will wrap up and so if you're just hanging out for that we will be respectful of your time and should finish in five or six minutes and people being wondering how to get the pixel dropper poep um that's going to be announced on the road to the f1 discord stay tuned to it and and you will get instructions sound good one more note of logistics we're gonna go once the raffle finish the drawing we'll do a demo of this but if you are a winner of a dev contribute game ticket or a waitlist uh you please reach out to us so we can start coordinating the dev contribute game at the end of the raffle there will be an email address the pop set will say contact the organizer click there and there's an email and what you're going to need to do in order to verify that you only address you need to sign a message with that key and then just send that message to the email so we'll do a demo of that once it draws but in case you need to drop off now circle back to the raffle at the end if you're a winner and make sure to email us because that's the only way we're going to be able to get in touch with you to plan the event hey nolan are these you said you read the questions for the trivia are these questions that i know already uh if you looked at the google sheets document i think do i have access to it i definitely posted the link one time okay i was i was actually hoping to play but if there's any chance that i could have seen him it wouldn't be fair well i mean if you haven't seen it i'd take your word for it i trust you and you trust me but there are probably a couple hundred other people who would be upset if it yeah i don't want south i did see the questions there are some very good questions a great job nolan but i definitely can't participate uh have you guys seen some controversial questions like we like doing there's there's one or two let's see what's the right topic these questions cover are we allowed to know that in advance or just like anything to do with ethereum different community stuff technicals on different daps and you know a whole all manner of stuff cool cool right on so you don't need to have attended a dev company for necessarily to know the answer to these questions no no no if you've just been on crypto twitter and read it and been using ethereum you should do well nice what are you saying is if you spin 24 7 on crypto twitter you that's i'm thinking uh mariano is going to be in the game he will he'll rack up so um yeah we're down to the last couple poepps um and don't anyone let me forget that i want to give monomesa a chance to uh close you'll have the final word after i say goodbye and then michael we can cut the stream after uh monomesa has his his opportunity sounds good i haven't heard much from you michael how are you today great just happy to be here he must have been shuffling the screens and making sure that everything works exactly oh i say i haven't heard much from me you've been i've been staring your screen the whole time michael you've been doing a great job in vetica uh with all the logistics everything's done smoothly appreciate it yeah i east sticker is a really great team um in fact same with poepp same with defconn if you're looking to contribute anywhere um we're always always willing to help people find a place to be successful so um yeah i will say it may not be quick yeah just to expand on that it was probably the point you're you're just about to make where uh you know just a quick shill for not just east sticker community but i would say all communities within the ethereum ecosphere is that uh you don't you don't have to be a technical user you know i i have a passion for uh like the web two things and helping with organizing and things of that nature there are roles for you in any capacity um so don't be shy to sort of peek into some of these communities and try it out you don't necessarily have to know the the nuts and bolts of the protocol there's still definitely a need for organizers and people who are just generally curious to to lend a different perspective than than what we know today so go out there and join some communities i'm still in the uh we are down to two on one of the ruffles and those are good one because the res resuscitator and madash attesna those were both uh challenging to earn you had to actually yeah and and the third one the first builder ticket was won by someone whose ens ethereum developer dot edh so sounds like someone who's likely to use it yeah that's awesome yeah again sorry yeah i want you to open the tap to see who they are yeah so this is one person when they open up uh very active who they are let's see this is one of the people that's remaining it's still loading oh whoever he is he has many yeah um he's been on the other community call he's been using po-up art a lot that's many po-up art tokens that's been to ethereal so this is a hardcore po-up collector i'm lucky he's winning great oh they were on the berlin upgrade party that's great yeah hopefully he wins the nft actually is this ruffle for the nft this is for the nft yeah yeah and what about the other account i can't remember which one i clicked on so i'm gonna open those i can tell you by the collection yeah and on the other one hey um i need to ask this is actually an important question um do the people who won these tickets to trivia are they able to transfer those to another person or are they are well are they required to be the person with the signing key um that's what i want to talk about that but i think they are given a discount code so so it's not fair at all okay so i'm asking about the questions i think but quick quick note about the dev con tickets themselves are you are given a discount to buy the ticket when we go on sale tickets of course which is yet to uh yet to come through but for the trivia quotes um for the trivia tickets i'm not sure the answer there okay i have allowed them to be transferable but uh we'll work it out and i just know the people who are watching are going to be a bit curious i actually won two trivia tickets and they're probably not going to let me play um anyway it's fine i would say an interest of inclusivity if you did win a ticket and you can't make it and you know somebody that would have fun then feel free to invite them and if you don't want to then we'll go into the waitlist because there are many interested people on the waitlist so um as you know here with east taker and dev con we're very welcoming and very easy going we want everyone to have fun so if you know somebody that would have fun definitely pass that along i actually saw someone last time uh attach the uh the trivia ticket to an nft and sell it at i think rare ball or open c it was kind of a really neat experience oh and logic beach provided the art for that it was a cool thing did remember that that was fun so y'all we developed a really awesome canvas we learned a lot about dev con uh we had a fun raffle and we got to hang out for a while um i'm so delighted to have spent some time working with the dev con and poet folks um it was a good day uh i'm glad everyone joined us and um skylar do you have any thoughts one quick thing before you wrap it up skylar this is the button that i was talking about contact raffle organizer and since we're short on time michael maybe can we release a video of signing uh yep i will do that and get it posted right away for winners we'll do that afterwards so all you do is click this button and then you can send an email over to the the organizer which is e2stc at gmail.com so if you are one of the top 35 winners definitely reach out all right now off to you skylar right on right on yeah so the first thing i was going to say was a big thanks to to you guys e-staker and the poep team uh for proposing this idea initially and then helping us put this on i think it's been it's been really fun i'm super impressed with the canvas we came up with and uh the second thing is just um yeah if anyone has ideas or questions about dev con um submit them in the forum forum dot devcon.org stay active in the the chats and looking forward to seeing everyone at the uh the trivia game next which um maybe it was mentioned here but i'll re-emphasize it uh everyone can participate and watch uh from the youtube livestream the tickets are just for those who are going to be joining us in the uh in the zoom call is that that's correct uh call fax yes that's correct so anybody even if you didn't want a ticket you can definitely tune in and participate in the quest you'll still get your poep for participating in the quest by watching and the tickets are just for the participants that'll be on the zoom call answering the questions cool perfect so that's on july what 12th right looking forward to seeing you guys all there july 10th i believe it's saturday six weeks from now yeah okay cool perfect perfect and that's all i had thanks for everything thanks for coming up so let's hand it off i guess to uh uh mono mesa yeah so we hear from the ethereum community well in columbia the ethereum community i'm really excited to have everything and all of you guys from uh the ethereum ecosystem to come here and yeah share with us uh all all this crazy stuff that is happening and please come to columbia and yeah we hope you see you here we're not really good a nice cup of coffee so cheers guys perfect and nos vemos allá saludos thank you everyone for being part of these bye bye awesome thanks all bye everybody bye bye thank you everyone


My presentation today will be about conformity assessment and what is the relation actually with artificial intelligence and I will take as a perspective of course a proposal for a law because I'm a lawyer and I work in this field quite some time now and I'm going to look at the AI proposal for AI regulation. I should already say that this talk is very well connected to the previous two basic talks of my colleagues, Professor Ronald Leines who gave an introduction of the proposal for the Act and associate professor Esther Keimolen who introduced the concepts of trust and trustworthiness in AI. But first things first, where is the conformity assessment in the first place? Conformity assessment is to put it simply a demonstration that specified requirements are fulfilled or not. So we need an object to be assessed, this could be a product, a process, a system or a service, organization or a combination of those. We need pre-specified requirements, those can be found in technical standards like think of ISO or the EN, the European standards from CEN and CENLEC or Etsy, these are the European standards organizations. The requirements can also be found in legislation and this is what I'm going to refer to in this presentation. I should also mention that things can become a bit more complicated but we will not go so much into detail today because there are technical standards that are based in the legislation and there are all kinds of legal effects. When it comes to conformity assessment, it's very important to remember that there are three types of conformity assessment. You have a first-party conformity assessment, this means that let's say a manufacturer of a product and I'm going to refer to products from now on because it's more simple. A manufacturer of a product does the assessment himself on whether for instance the product is going to be before being placed in the market is going to be safe or fulfilling some other requirements that are prescribed in the law or a standard. Second-party conformity assessment is when we have let's say a business partner or an end user that wants to use a facial recognition system, this could be the police for example and they want to be sure that this facial recognition system is not going to be discriminatory or is going to fulfill some requirements. Then we have third-party conformity assessment. This is from third-party organizations that have been found to be expert in the field and also have integrity and that they are independent from the product manufacturer. First-party and third-party conformity assessment are very relevant for the proposal for the regulation that I'm referring to today. But that's a spoiler, but what does this have to do with actually public interest and public goals? Well actually the regulator, the public regulator, the lawmakers in the European Union and elsewhere, but I focus on the EU today, they have actually have been harvesting and relying quite a lot on this private law activity because conformity assessment is essentially done by private organizations, private bodies and they have been relying on the expertise of these private experts for quite some time now and I'm already referring to the new approach which actually dates back from the 80s and it's not so new anymore and the relevant new legislative framework as it is called. So what has been happening for quite some time now is that the EU lawmakers have been relying on the private lawmakers or private regulators to draft the nitty gritty details of the requirements of what is for example a safe toy or a product that fulfills some health requirements or that is friendly to the environment. And what this entails in practice is that the law provides only the essential, as we call them requirements, so the law says that a product needs to be safe before being placed in the market and then technical standards organizations and conformity assessment bodies work together with the commission and other public regulators to actually develop the standards that specify what it means for a product, for a toy for example to be safe for a kid of zero to two years old. So what does toy safety and all these issues have to do with artificial intelligence? So as mentioned also by my colleagues in their previous talks, in April this year, so a couple of months ago, the commission published this proposal for AI regulation and while I wouldn't have expected thinking about it some years ago, oh there's the commission proposing a regulation for AI, what is this going to be about? Well it did happen that one big part of this regulation is about conformity assessment and conformity assessment has a very central role in this regulation. It concerns Exante rules, so before actually product an AI system is placed in the market but also what we call as exposed enforcement. This essentially means that there are some measures in place to monitor that an AI system that is placed in the market continues to fulfill certain illegal requirements. And those requirements are actually mandatory requirements that are prescribed in the text of the proposal and they concern a range of things such as transparency but also avoiding discriminatory effects from the use of the AI system and the and other irrelevant things. So what happens is that let's say a manufacturer or a designer of an AI system needs to fulfill these requirements, the legal requirements, but they also need to make sure that this is a process that is verified so that is subject to conformity assessment, so what I referred to before. The AI regulation proposal adopts a risk-based approach and this is a quite an important notion also that is connected to conformity assessment. So the proposal actually qualifies three types of risk but it calls as an acceptable risk and is connected to prohibited uses of AI systems and this has nothing to do with conformity assessment. Then AI systems that are presenting high risk for the safety and the fundamental rights of individuals and these are very well connected to this talk about conformity assessment because conformity assessment concerns these types of systems and then low risk AI systems that are mostly connected to voluntary measures like codes of contact. And those what actually is a high risk or an acceptable risk are determined on the basis of several factors like the sector or taking account the impact on the rights and safety of individuals. Further there are two categories of high risk AI systems and first the regulation the proposal for the regulation distinguishes one category of AI systems that are safety components of products. These kind of systems they have to be subject to third-party conformity assessments so what I said before they have to be assessed by a third private organization but independent from the manufacturer the producer of the AI system. Then we also have what is called as standalone AI systems and this way it becomes more tricky because actually these are systems that have implications on fundamental rights of individuals. I think for example what I said before the system of live facial recognition system used for law enforcement purposes by the police which can turn out to be discriminatory if the proper requirements are not met. So these are systems that have high risk for not safety which is the first category but for fundamental rights of individuals. And what the regulation the proposal for the regulation does is that it mostly connects these kind of systems to self-assessment so that the manufacturer himself is going to assess whether the product is fulfilling some requirements legal requirements and it's okay to be placed in the market. So this is how the process looks like in a simplified manner. If you want a more complicated graph Ronald Lainas has posted on his Twitter account his Marvelous very very complicated graph so I thought not to scare you today but if you want more information more detail you can always refer to that graph. So this is what happens in practice or if adopted actually if the regulation is adopted as proposed the provider of the high risk AI system will go through either the third party conformity assessment or a self-assessment there will be an assessor this is an internal auditor in the case of self-assessment or an external person will assess whether the requirements the legal requirements are fulfilled and then we'll receive a C marking which means that it's okay to be placed in the market or it needs to go through some more fine tuning. Using this system in general of technical standards and conformity assessment can help organizations comply with legal requirements it provides tools and processes risk assessment methodologies but even common vocabularies for the experts engineers to communicate and talk to each other and meaning actually the same thing and then conformity assessment offers also an assurance to organizations that some external in the case of third party conformity assessment some external person has actually confirmed that they are fulfilling their requirements and it also of course offers some information to consumers about the qualities of the AI system without this of course being sufficient and on its own being enough for consumers to say that they are completely informed but that's for another discussion and then it also provides and this is what I discussed also in my PhD dissertation which I defended a couple of weeks ago they also provide meta rules so they make sure that the rules that apply in this AI systems and those very fast developing fields are actually up to date with the latest state of the art technology but of course there are also important legitimacy issues and it's no secret that these are private organizations and they are not following what we know as democratic legitimacy procedures so not all members have an equal say we're not sure it's not all so open and transparent always who sits around the table to make standards and there are also some issues of judicial accountability so can a certification body or standardization body be held liable for defective products that are based on their standards and of course independence and conflict of interest are also a tricky area when we're talking about private regulations because in the end of the day conformity assessment bodies are being paid by the manufacturer and because I see I'm running out of time I will pose these open questions and I'm actually looking forward to getting your input for brainstorming on answers to these questions one open question is how suitable is this whole system of product conformity assessment approach how can we see an AI system that proposes high risks to fundamental rights as a product what are we missing out but it's not in the picture how reliable can self assessment be for these high risk AI systems and then of course there are issues of assessment methodology and part of it is that the assessment will take place on the basis of the intended use of the product and not the actual use of the product so how can we be sure that despite any measures for market post market surveillance those rules will be for sure implemented and followed so this is from my side thank you very much for your attention


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