Go ahead, Likitha. Your time starts now. All the best. Good evening to everyone. Well, I'm a little bit enthusiastic about this presentation. Well, I took my inspirational entrepreneur as Narayana Murti, who is a very familiar to us. I thought about him in my childhood and at that eighth class I'll be also know about him. More than this, he did great things in making our India to become an outsourcing country. Sir, can you move the slide please? Sure, sure, Likitha. Go ahead, speak a bit louder and all the way you're making great presentation. Go ahead. Okay, sir. Formerly he is the co-founder of Infosys. He had led this company with another six persons at the age of 24 or 25. After that he did many things to make our country pride with this company. After his retirement, he became as a chairman emeritus. Apart from that, after his retirement also, he didn't work for five years because of some issues. Also, our country awarded him with Padma Vibhushan and Padma Sri awards in the 2008 great honours for him. Are you able to see the slides? Yes, sir. You can explain the slides, right? Oh, you did it already? Okay, okay. And this one? The main factors of his success, once he said with the news reporter that five factors that makes his company to be in a great position are openness to learn. In the sense, openness to learn and we have to welcome the ideas from not only, what do you say, we have to welcome the ideas from our below servants also. There should be a free-mindedness in learning, accepting the things and imagination is also needed for the application of our, what do you say, our dreams or goals either and sets. Steering in the sense we have to say that what you say is making our thought in progress as far as possible. Sure. That's it, sir. Okay, fantastic. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Likita. Likita, right? Yes, sir. Likita from first year. Thank you so thank you for this. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your enthusiasm to share about the story of Narayana Murthy. And yeah, what is that Narayana Murthy is what? Naga Vara Ramara. Ramara Narayana Murthy. Yeah, we all knew him as Narayana Murthy. Actually, I learned about him at the age of 14, sir, in my eighth standard. Okay. More than that, I connected to him very much with his struggles that he had faced during his studying period. Yes. In a poor situation also, he made his aspirations to be in a live situation today. Amazing, amazing. And he has thousands of crores, if not lakhs of crores, he has got thousands of crores of wealth with him, but still, he and his wife, Sudha Murthy, they live simple life, humble life.  And the campuses, the most beautiful campuses around, such as Gachiboli in Hyderabad are the training center in Mysore, you know, it's like landmarks, beautiful places. Yes, Rikita, do you want to say something? That's all, sir. Thank you very much. Fantastic. And I understand initially when he had an idea to start this business and he didn't have money and they were not knowing what to do. There was a time, you know, his wife, his wife gave her bangles or something, gold ornaments, or he could go and, you know, mortgage them, get that initial money with which they set up this company. And now it's lakhs of crores worth of company. And more than, I think, a lakh, people work in this company. It's a massive company. It's a massive company. Thank you very much. That's it. Let's give a big round of applause to Rikita for her enthusiasm for preparing the presentation. And yes, there's so many claps for you, Rikita, there. There's so many claps for you from your students, from your seniors. So thanks to all of you for appreciating Rikita and her enthusiasm and effort. Good presentation.


So, welcome to the Dr. Gendry podcast. On today's episode, I'm going to discuss something that may be a little uncomfortable for some people to talk about. Yes, I'm talking about what goes on in the bathroom. Poop. But, even if bathroom talk can put you outside your comfort zone and you can quit giggling right now, I promise you're going to learn a lot in this episode. We're going to talk about what your poop can tell you about your health and what a healthy poop looks like, the causes of constipation, bloating, and diarrhea, and why you might never need to use toilet paper again. Don't believe me? Well, listen in and find out as we talk all about poop. So, topic one, what exactly is poop? Now, what's fascinating to most people is we've always been told that our bowel movement is basically unused food particles that weren't absorbed from our small intestine and large intestine. And believe it or not, I was taught that in medical school. And that was before we actually learned about the microbiome.  So the vast majority of what comes out of your rare end is actually living bacteria. And that's what's so interesting. It is the vast majority is not residual things that you ate. It's the bacteria that ate what you ate. Now, why didn't we know that? It turns out that so many of the bacteria, particularly that live in our colon, cannot live in oxygen. They're what are called anaerobic bacteria. Bacteria that can live on oxygen are called aerobic bacteria like aerobic exercising. And for those of you who hit junkies, anaerobic exercise is when your muscles no longer burn oxygen and have to produce lactic acid, anyhow, most bacteria in our colon are anaerobic. And it's very difficult to grow anaerobic bacteria in traditional culture medium. So for years and years and years, we actually had no idea how much of our poop was bacteria. But thanks to the Human Microbiome Project, we now know that actually the vast majority of what you're pooping out is dead bacteria, pieces of bacteria, and living bacteria. So these bacteria get made by eating the foods that you eat. And that's where it gets into some very interesting things about feeding bacteria what you want them to eat. And as most of you know who've read or listened to the longevity paradox, there's a big difference between the bacteria that you want living in you and the bacteria that you don't want living into you. And that's why we're going to talk about this today. So first question, what should a good poop look like? Well, there's no absolute definition of you having a perfectly looking poop. If you listen to my good friend Dr. Terry Walls, when you have a bowel movement, you should look into the toilet and see a giant coiled snake looking back at you. And those of you who have heard this story, when I was writing the Plant Paradox, I actually in my unedited edition said that when you look into the toilet, you should see a giant anaconda looking back up at you. And my dear editor Julie Wills said, you realize there is a movie called Anaconda where an anaconda comes out of an airline toilet. She said, I don't think we want that visual in the book. So we changed it to a coiled snake.  And if it looks like soft serve ice cream, that's okay. If it looks harder and has markings, that's also okay. What you don't really want to see is actually floaters. If you have consistently floating stool, that means it actually has a high fat content.  And that actually can mean that you have a digestive enzyme insufficiency. And it's one of the first things to spot. If you've got floating stools, then one of the first things I recommend doing is getting yourself some digestive enzymes. And those can be both bile acids and pancreatic enzymes. These are readily available. You actually don't have to spend a lot of money. And just start taking digestive enzymes with your meals and report back to see if you've got some nice sinkers in your stool. Now, topic two, why is poop important? Those of you who have done water fasting or juice fasting may have noticed that you will lose about three to five pounds in a three or maybe four-day water fast. And most people think this is miraculous weight loss. But what you've actually done, and you probably noticed this in the bathroom, is you took away the food that your gut bacteria generally eats. And so that weight loss is, interestingly enough, that four to five pounds of bacteria that make you their home. So rather than some miracle, that weight loss is just those bacteria not eating and, in a way, starving to death. I've done this so many times I get a kick out of it. If I go on a three-day water fast, I will, no matter what my weight is, lose about three to five pounds. And then when I start eating, I will, once again, gain those three to five pounds, maybe minus one pound for the three days that I didn't eat anything. But it always comes back, and that's because I'm regrowing my microbiome. So the more you think about what's living inside of you, and as I talk about the longevity paradox, what's living inside of you is incredibly important for your long-term health. Now what's equally as important, and this is where we get into constipation and diarrhea and bloating. We know that there are bacteria that should normally exist in all of us. Again, there's at least 10,000 different bacteria that have now been discovered that potentially can make us their home. And this number goes up all the time. About six months ago, another 1,000 species of bacteria were discovered through the microbiome project. The problem is the vast majority of us have very few species of those 10,000 bacteria. And that's because of what I talk about. Number one, we all take too many antibiotics. Now don't hear me wrong. Antibiotics properly administered can be life-saving, and that's not what I want you to hear. In other words, antibiotics properly done should be life-saving, but we use them excessively for colds, the flu, which they don't work on. Most of our ailments that we catch or viruses that antibiotics don't work on, they're in almost all of our conventionally raised animal products, whether it's the beef you eat, the chicken you eat, the pork you eat, because they've been fed to these animals to make them fatten up quickly. Antibiotics are in our water supply. It's something that really can't be filtered out by water treatment plants. So we're under this constant barrage of things that destroy our microbiome. And the most recent addition to the problem is glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup. Glyphosate was patented as an antibiotic. It absolutely destroys gut bacteria, and it's one of the main reasons I think our health has deteriorated and our bowel problems have increased. So normally we have this huge, great, diverse flora of microbiome, and they're there waiting for you to feed them. But so many of us, that microbiome is very deficient. And we have very few bugs doing the work. Now the bugs we do have in general fall into two categories. And you've heard me talk about good guys or gut buddies and gang members. And the good guys, let's start focusing on them first. The good guys actually like what are called prebiotics. Prebiotics are primarily what used to be called soluble fiber. And we'll come to insoluble fiber in a little bit. But soluble fiber are long-chain sugars. They're called polysaccharides. And these sugar molecules are very difficult for us to digest in our stomach and our small intestine. And they arrive undigested primarily into our colon, where they are eaten by the gut buddies. The more of these long-chain sugars that you eat, the more the gut buddies eat and they make little gut buddies. So you've got family after family of gut buddies. And what's fascinating with soluble fiber is that you get giant poops. Because that soluble fiber is eaten by your gut buddies and they make more gut buddies. And so that's where these big giant poops come from. Now insoluble fiber is the exact opposite. And as it name implies, insoluble fiber cannot be digested by any bacteria. And what's interesting about insoluble fiber is, I like you to think of insoluble fiber as swallowing razor blades or nails. And there's very good proof that insoluble fiber actually irritates the lining of your intestines. And you are so irritated from these razor blades going through you, that it makes you have a bowel movement. It actually stimulates you to have a bowel movement because you're trying to get rid of these things. What's fascinating is most insoluble fiber is from the halls of grains. So for instance, wheat germ is all insoluble fiber. Wheat germ agglutinin is one of the worst lectins and it's insoluble fiber. The insoluble fiber on the lining of barley or rye is insoluble fiber. And so the things that so many people take to promote regularity are actually some of the worst things that you can use for bowel health. And I've talked about this in the past. The idea of fiber being healthy was discovered by an English surgeon by the name of Dennis Burkett. English surgeons, and I was one of them in my training, are called Mr. rather than Doctor. So he is Mr. Dennis Burkett. And some people know him from Burkett's lymphoma, which he discovered and named. But he was a colon surgeon who went on missionary work to Africa to operate on poor African people who had colon problems. And unfortunately when he got there, he couldn't find any colon disease. He couldn't find diverticulosis. He couldn't find diverticulitis. He couldn't find colon cancer. And he said, what the heck? You know, what am I going to do down here? And he became fascinated by the giant mountains of poops that these Africans would have. And he said, well, he became a poop fanatic. And he would go around following these Africans out into the field and measuring their poops, photographing their poops. And he said, wow, it's these giant poops that are preventing them from having these colon diseases. And he saw that they were primarily eating prebiotic fiber, mostly in the form of yams. And so he said, aha, it's the fiber in these yams that they're eating that makes them resistant to colon cancer and diverticulitis. So fiber is what we should be eating. He got back to England. And England had a lot of fiber as foods, but they were in the form of wheat and oats and rye and barley, and they actually didn't have a lot of yams and sweet potatoes. He didn't know, but he thought fiber is fiber. So the idea that you should be eating fiber came from him observing soluble fiber and not realizing that insoluble fiber was actually a problem. So that's where the entire concept of fiber being beneficial. So people like Dr. Terry Walls and I will tell you that, you know, having these giant mounds of poop every day is a great idea. Now, should you have one or two or three, again, it really depends on how much soluble fiber is going into your diet every day.  That's a lot of vegetables.  On the other hand, most people on a practical basis cannot do that. So that's the way that the idea of getting prebiotics either in a form of powder or even in the form of capsules came about. And there are a lot of ways to get prebiotics in you. Again, some of my favorite prebiotics are inulin. You can buy it as a powder. You can buy it as a sweetener. You can find it in, for instance, the sweetener sweet leaf. It's also in the sweetener just like sugar. Inulin is very present in the chicory family of vegetables like radicchio, the Italian red lettuce, it's not a lettuce at all. In frisee, in Belgian endive, it's really present in artichoke hearts and artichokes. It's great in Jerusalem artichokes, some people call it sun chokes. Another option that's very cheap is you can get psyllium powder, which is a great prebiotic. You can actually use flax seeds, ground flax seeds are a great prebiotic. Another option is to get yourself apple pectin. It's readily available. It's really cheap. It's another great prebiotic. One of my favorite prebiotics is modified citrus pectin. Now, unfortunately, it's pretty expensive, but it's been actually shown to break up what are called biofilms of bad bacteria in your intestines. I use it extensively in my patients who have really bad markers of biofilms in their intestines. We can measure this on blood tests. Many times what I see in most of my patients with diarrhea and or constipation is they're eating a very high lectin diet. Just remember that lectins break the tight junctions on the lining of our gut. Not only does that allow lectins into our gut wall, but spoiler alert, it's actually the cause of water entering the lining of our gut and into our bowels. This was actually discovered by Dr. Fasano from Johns Hopkins, who realized that cholera and most of us have heard of cholera, it's one of the most deadly diseases there is, and cholera victims die of massive, massive watery diarrhea. Dr. Fasano was fascinated with, well, why does the cholera bacteria cause this? He found that the cholera bacteria actually broke tight junctions, and when those tight junctions broke, water from our bloodstream and our lymph flooded into our gut and that caused the diarrhea. It was that observation that he learned that gluten, which is lectin, uses the exact same pathway as cholera does to break tight junctions. Spoiler alert number one, if you have a problem with diarrhea, the first thing I want you to do is get lectins out of your diet, and I think you'll be rather impressed with what happens, and that's one of the first things I do with any of my patients. The second warning I have, and a lot of my patients with diarrhea, do not realize that even foods in the future that are going to be really good for you to eat, particularly raw vegetables, raw cruciferous vegetables in particular, have lectins in them, and believe it or not, there is a lectin in spinach that some of us react to, raw. When we ingest those, and we're having problems with diarrhea, it often makes the diarrhea worse. So if I have a patient with gut issues with diarrhea, I don't let them have raw vegetables, raw cruciferous vegetables first. They can have them, but they basically got to cook them within an inch of their life, particularly in a pressure cooker. So if you've got diarrhea and you're listening to me and you're reading the plant paradox, in there kind of hidden saying, hey, if you've got intestinal issues and diarrhea, don't start with the three-day cleanse and don't eat a lot of raw vegetables, and it's a really good trick to remember, because those in and of itself will give you diarrhea. I'm reminded, and I think I've talked about this, early on, my wife Penny got a Nutribullet, and she decided to make me a kale smoothie. And we don't eat a lot of kale, but we do eat kale, but I don't eat it ground up and pulverized, and so I drank my kale smoothie, and I tolerate raw vegetables extremely well, but a few hours later I was in the bathroom and my kale smoothie left along with the rest of my abdominal contents, and I go, what the heck? And I realized that even though I was incredibly tolerant to raw vegetables, my dear wife Penny had broken every cell wall down, and I was assaulted by the lectins in raw kale, and even I couldn't tolerate it. So, word of warning, if you've got diarrhea, raw kale is not your favorite friend, particularly in a homogenized smoothie. Last but not least, I was on a podcast recently being asked about, well, don't prebiotics cause gas and bloating? And the answer is oftentimes they do. The famous gaps diet, which is an elimination diet of fermentable foods and quite frankly prebiotics are fermentable foods, is a great way to get rid of gas and bloating. But quite frankly, the gaps diet, as I've talked about, is probably the worst diet for your long-term health, because you really need these gut buddies to make incredibly powerful compounds like butyric acid, like propionic acid, like other short chain fatty acids that not only feed the wall of your gut and keep it healthy, but actually is some of the most important compounds to feed mitochondria, particularly in your brain. So eliminating these gut buddies by starving them of what you want may lessen your bloating and gas, but in the long term, it's the worst thing that you could do. And I'll tell you as I tell all my patients, yes, you may get more gas production, you may get more bloating initially, but that always quiets down. And give me a month and you'll notice the difference. OK, topic number three, fecal transplants. I have the pleasure of being one of the first contributors to fecal transplants in the modern era as a student at the Medical College of Georgia and Augusta Georgia in the early 70s. During that time, we had a outbreak of what's now called C. difficile colitis. And most of us are now aware of C. difficile colitis. We didn't know what the bug was back then. But it occurred as people were given broad spectrum antibiotics. That was a modern miracle in antibiotics because it killed just about everything. Unfortunately, we didn't know it, but it killed off our entire microbiome in our gut. And C. difficile is a very tough bug. It's a normal part of our Florida. Every one of us carries C. difficile, but it's kept in place by all the other microbiome. When that microbiome was killed off, C. difficile is having a field day. One of my mentors, Arlie Mansburger, who was the chairman of surgery at Georgia, said, you know, I think we've killed off all the good bugs. And there's a bad bug. And I think the only way we can get rid of this is to give people good bugs. And who would he turn to but medical students? Because, gosh, medical students must have good bugs. So once a week, they would pass around what was called the honey pot. And we would go into the bathroom and we would have a bowel movement in the honey pot. And he would take it back to his lab and he would put it in a wearing blender. I kid you not. And he would homogenize medical students poop. And we would put it in an enema bag and we would give people fecal enemas. And he got a lot of grief for this and a lot of jokes. But he was able to prove that within several days of getting a fecal enema, that this, what was called pseudomembridocemeral colitis, which is called C. difficile now, went away. And he had these amazing pictures and people accused him of forging the pictures. But it was, it worked. And of course, we now know it works. So we didn't understand at that point of this huge, dense, you know, population of bacteria. But he was brilliant in realizing that somehow broad spectrum antibiotics had changed our gut flora. And now we know that, in fact, fecal transplants can be used. So the power of fecal transplants has been used to look at the effect of the gut flora on making people fat or making people lean. And one of the earliest studies was taking germ-free mice and germ-free rats. And these are mice and rats that were raised from birth with no microbiome. And I actually did my fifth grade science project on that. But they take feces from obese individuals and feed them, humans, and feed them to germ-free mice or rats.  They became obese. You could take feces from lean individuals and give them to obese germ-free rats. And they would become lean, proving in fact that the bacteria in your gut has a huge influence on whether or not you will be fat or skinny. And we now know through some very sophisticated experiments that there are certain bacteria that are really good of extracting most of the calories that you consume and, in their gift to you, pass it into you. Now, if you're obese, that's exactly what you don't want in you. And when I talk about gut buddies, the interesting thing about gut buddies is they're very selfish. And they actually want to eat everything that you ate and don't want to give it to you. And the reason you know that that's what's happening is your stool volume increases. And so that's your gut buddies taking the vast majority of the calories that you're eating and saving it for themselves, growing more little baby gut buddies.  Now, what about fecal transplantation in general? There's a very exciting study that was published this year out of Arizona State University using techniques that were developed in Australia for autistic kids. And I think it's probably one of the most important papers that we'll look back at and say, oh my gosh, we had no idea how powerful the human microbiome is. Briefly, they used crapsules, which are fecal transplant material that can be swallowed. And I won't give the details of the study, but they did it right. They sterilized kids with autism's gut. We know that kids with autism have a very bizarre microbiome. It's completely abnormal. They sterilized the gut with antibiotics. They suppressed acid production in the stomach because, quite frankly, most probiotics are destroyed by stomach acid. They then seeded these kids with what are called crapsules, their fecal material in capsules. And then they've now followed them for two years. And in summary, over two years now, about 50% of the autism symptoms have ablated. And if you've got a kid with autism, a 50% reduction in symptoms two years after this fecal transplant is life-changing for you and your child. And I think that really shows the power of where this is going.  You can't buy crapsules. We do have people who go to Europe where this is available. It's sometimes available in Canada. It is under research here in the United States, so you can find a center that could enroll you in a research trial.  That's not what I'm suggesting. Is fecal transplantation iffy? Yes, indeed it is. Because you can, unfortunately, be transplanted with things you don't want. There's a famous marathon athletic woman who developed C. diff. She got a fecal transplant from a cousin. We try to do fecal transplants with relatives because you're likely to have the similar microbiome. The cousin was 30 pounds overweight. This marathon runner recovered thanks to that fecal transplant. But despite returning to irregular activities over the next year, she gained 30 pounds because she was transplanted with an obesogenic population from her obese cousin. It's one of the first reported human examples of be careful what you wish for. Save her life, but she's got an obesogenic set of bacteria.  Now, certainly in the wild and having been a Boy Scout for many, many years, Eagle Scout, that's how you naturally poop. On the other hand, that is not a necessity for having a natural poop. Believe me, if you have four or five pounds of gut buddies producing every day, they'll come out easy and smooth without you having to strain, without you having to get in the perfect position. Quite frankly, if you're having to get in the so-called anatomic perfect position to have a bowel movement, there's something else that you should be changing. Okay, it's time for the audience question. Viking Sandra asks on YouTube, are eggs good or bad? I know you mentioned omega-3 eggs in your book, but they're not always easy to find. What about regular eggs? I'm sure it depends on how they raise their chickens, too. Yeah, that's exactly right. Actually, omega-3 eggs are on almost every grocery store that I've ever walked into in this country. They may have different brand names, but I go all around this country lecturing or talking, and I usually go in grocery stores often to find something for me, but I usually look for omega-3 eggs, and they're there. Pastured eggs are becoming more and more frequent. We've even begun seeing producers who are saying, our chickens are not fed soy or are not fed corn, and do the best you can. But omega-3 eggs, the chickens are in general fed flax seeds or algae or both. It's difficult to raise a chicken completely on algae because, quite frankly, their shell gets too thin and it's not commercially profitable. But these things are pretty common. Are they good or bad? The yolk in the egg has some pretty cool stuff for your brain, including choline. There's a lot of controversy about eggs. I can tell you that in my autoimmune patients who have really leaky gut, about a third of them we're now finding will react to some components of eggs. There is no necessity for eggs in your diet. There are pretty good egg replacements out there. The vegan egg, which I talked about in the plant paradox, is now made with soy, so I do not recommend that. Bob's red mill egg replacer is probably the safest out there. Don't be afraid of the little bit of potato starch in there.  That's probably the safest one out there right now. So that's your question about eggs. Don't be afraid of them. Omega-3 eggs are available. Can you poop without toilet paper? First of all, we are the only animal that actually uses toilet paper. Think about that. Take your dogs for a walk. They don't use toilet paper. When I tell patients that Dr. Berkut noticed that Africans didn't use toilet paper, he was shocked because everybody needs to use toilet paper. And quite frankly, I was shocked when I changed my diet. Yes, I do use toilet paper, but no, there is nothing on the toilet paper. And many of my patients, when they come back to see me, said, you're right, I really don't need toilet paper. How did you know? I said, because this is what should be coming out of you. You weren't born with a need for toilet paper.  And it was because I totally changed my microbiome. I totally stopped my leaky gut, and water wasn't pouring into my gut. And I see so many patients who are on anti-diarrheal thinking that that's somehow normal for them. So it's not normal. And work with me, and maybe you won't need toilet paper anymore. It'll save you so many trips to Costco, believe me. That's all for the Dr. Gendry podcast today, and we'll see you next week.


Look at the hitbox! How's it going everybody?  Don't know why it is also this intro Look at this. Oh, they didn't show this in the trailer, baby. Oh, I got the full team Look at a little nice. Okay. He skipped his own show. I was about to say whoa. What is this? Goku Super Saiyan god beep here So what this guy's the 161st best Goku blue on um On um, what Xbox that's that's kind of neat I feel like it's it's gonna take a while for my eyes to adjust to not look at that.  We'll just swap him out. We'll swap him out and go for something a little crazy Six seven It's a good six M though. Oh, I didn't adjust. Okay. Get Goku out All right, let's let Genemba get some rest just a tiny bit though. We're gonna need him for later Danish, I'm not trying to play those games. Oh, let me take this sliding as well. Oh We got somebody that likes the Super Dash This might kill I don't know Even if it doesn't I'm okay with getting Genemba back out now go hon.  It's time to play neutral and I'm trying to play that sword It's still Vegeta boys new character still the same old Vegeta level one probably into level three I'd go for that anyway level one to level one He does it again Genemba has not gotten much time to shine but You know the only thing you can't practice in training mode really is a How you handle other players? Oh, watch this?  I can't blame that one on Genemba's assist. That was sick Got him so at least Genemba came in clutch with the assist his assist is not great neutral But I got to say it does offer up some unique combo pass We took a hit there Dude you only did oh, please be scaled. I don't know how much scaling that is Oh Unfortunate game one with the Genemba. He doesn't get to do anything. That's fine. That's fine We still got games two and three and we showed off a little bit of the assist. Oh My god, he's going full Vegeta He's the hundred and sixty first best Goku blue player, but what about his Vegeta skills?  That's a that's a punish.  I don't know what that was about I will take that all the way to the bank probably even take a sweet level three Just for the knockdown. Do we go overhead or low? I got to be honest I'm feeling the low here. This guy's gonna try to jump or do something. So we catch him frame one Yeah It's it's a matter. It's a thinking game dude. There's actually a puzzle game. That's crazy Portal 2 is actually the second best puzzle game in the world. This is the first Man, they really changed the UI here. I'm not feeling I've honestly. I'm not feeling that that change Don't like that at all. Come on, Genima. Show me something that you can do. Oh, there we go Just not getting the confirms right Okay, I'll get him down Do I'm really struggling to get off of me? Oh kick him in the face, Genima. Okay I was gonna command grab as you can see I was already planning my next move I was definitely about a command grab this man, huh? One two three four five get them down. I try to teleport I wanted to teleport and be on the run. Oh, but instead we're gonna take the full auto to the face And get in the corner. What's gonna happen here? Nothing much. Ah Man grab that's okay, Genima. Take it take it for now We got the combos. We get out of here, which we do No, he Please live. Oh, we're gonna live. I don't know why he did that. There's the down heavy He can't get a bar though. We're fine. We're fine. We're fine Geez we're playing really bad all of a sudden though Awesome even with the delay. It was too. I didn't I landed too far back even with the delay. It wasn't enough Hey, thank you there. If it died kick was so fast Save me Genima. Save me. What do I got to do for you to save me?   I got me. He didn't kill them No, I thought he would throw a key blast. Don't don't ask me why I tried to make the most complex read of I Can't believe he he down heavy through the sword Wow the turnaround with the lights. I'm not I don't feel bad because he did do that to me with Vegeta I got a punish, but you know my skills are pretty whack right now. Oh Oh, no, please don't level three. Please don't level three because you know I'm in a crack All right. He chose not to This guy is using his bar up for provocative. It gets the people going. Oh, get off of me Who are you trying to grab on day negative zero? This is a national holiday Are you kidding me dude? Just touch him I am panicking. I'm panicking. All right, just grip the xbox controller. You got to hold the controller tight Let's go. Let's go Let me jump up and talk to him. Okay 161st best goku bootflip Come on bro I only lose to the 160th best goku player Honestly that guy would Probably beat me It is over jenemba. I have come for you. Oh god. He's out Tall characters I'm too tall. I'm too tall for my own good I'm just slightly above goku height, but in dragon ball fighters. That's seven feet tall Jesus look at the damage in the corner That's fine. I'd rather I'd rather be knocked down on the ground than where I was Okay Please let me do this on the next box controller. Even with lag. Oh, no, please. Ah, why did I test Vegeta? Damn dude, the six frame came up at a terrible time It might not have been six frames. That was it looking It's one bar. Okay. That's what we're not we're not losing too bad just yet Again, you really don't want to use that there. It's just something you got to get used to it Jenemba. I just used it because I didn't know what else to do Oh my goodness. You know what? No, that was supposed to be a level three Oh, we lost we lost goku Oh We lost goku before we could think vegeto Now we if he gets out with vegeta, then that's a bad and that's bad news The best the best ll in the game boys. Did you see the tail smack down? All right, goku blue Is he gonna throw any key blast that I have to be worried about? Ah, he didn't He didn't but I was still looking for it. Okay six end No down heavy on it That heavy is really bad. Oh, that was sick Dude Okay, we're good. We're good Step on this man. Oh, we didn't even have to the step was just a bonus Okay Do we save jenemba for the assist? I'm gonna say yes I have to say yes All right, come here. Let me talk to him one two three four five six And I messed it up, but at least it was in my finer moments Got him Hi, you know what what we got we got the health back. Let's go jenemba show this man the glass Let's go. Oh, he did it at the last second We got him. It's okay. We still swept the leg. That's 2o We should be up 2o now One more win and jenemba can send us packing into we're almost super saiyan blue rank on xbox, which would be sick Oh the 2l Dude, that was nice Oh, we actually landed that Didn't know a way to block there honestly My man We're out How do you guys like that, huh? I could have down heavy that dude the rejump combo. We actually hit it online though Spend the bar because we are terrible. I should have 2h into the the key blast and that really would have been super nice Ah, we dropped it again. The jab is so nice The jab is really good Look at the hit box Still not the best, but you know it has its uses Uh, it wasn't our turn. Please drop. Ah, he's not dropping this Oh, what are you doing? And that was my I overextended. I should have just done a level three on the ground Once I saw I had no assist though. I kind of I kind of locked up Okay, I'm liking this so far Can we kill here? Big drops on little xbox Wow 161st Okay, we win. There's no way we don't win here, right? And then throwing a little yamcha and that should be the end of jenemba day negative one We got a use of his assist. We dropped some bnbs, but overall Good start, dude. We didn't get the bnb in the corner though. That's the only thing I would have preferred to get there But you know, I don't mind it too much. Uh, let's just go ahead and back out here great games to my opponent Thank you so much for the matches and hopefully you guys enjoyed it. I know it wasn't the greatest start And I'm still sick. Sorry about that if you heard in my voice, but yeah, dude I'm loving jenemba so much. Let me know your thoughts on jenemba and the full week of jenemba down below In the comments while you're down there if you're excited for it Make sure to hit the like button and subscribe to support the channel Show that you want to see even more of this stuff other than that if you want to watch more videos There should be some up on your screen. I have been dr. Doia and I will see you in the next video


I'd like to talk about hypotheticals, how the idea that we could have cause and effect apart, which the Course is teaching us, that God and Christ are together and that cause and effect are actually together, they're one in spirit. But this world is as if they could be split off and as if we could have hypothetical futures and hypothetical past, and this is a teaching I did years ago that's, it's really at the core of awakening and it's kind of interesting to me because I've used this teaching before like with Gary Renard, who's a friend of Jennifer's and I, this idea of art in a person and as I go around the world it's people would come up to me and they go, do you know Gary and tell me the truth, you know, did this really happen or not, did art in a person really come onto his couch or not in this and that, and then I remember, another friend of mine is Jimmy Twyman and you know he wrote this book Emissaries of Light and Silent Brotherhood and Kosovo, some of you are familiar with that and everything, and I get the same thing you know it's like, is there really Silent Brotherhood, you know, did they really have this sitting in a circle and praying for mankind and all these adventures they had and everything and then we mentioned Marla Morgan, I remember when she got back and started to do a little bit of a lecture tour, big controversies came up like, did she really meet these aborigines or is this, but I'm using these three examples as points is that the underlying assumption is that in this world you can make a distinction between what really happened and what didn't happen, you see, and that's where we get into hypotheticals because all of linear time is hypothetical and when Jesus is teaching us that separation never happened, the Atonement is the awareness that the separation never happened, he's really teaching us that cause and effect are together, have always been together and that song about just my imagination running away with me, that everything that you think in terms of the past and future is all hypothetical and I always remembered my grandfather, Harry Heinrich Hermann Hofmeister, very German name, Heinrich Hermann Hofmeister, he would always, when I was a little kid I was getting taught A Course in Miracles from Heinrich Hermann Hofmeister and I didn't know it because I would be there like, I was a big sports fan, so I'd be there watching football game with him or the baseball game or whatever and he was just this jolly happy man and I would be talking to the television screen yelling at the referees, you missed that call and I'd say if the ref hadn't blown the call my team would have scored and he would laugh, laugh, barrel laugh and everything and then you know, oh it's a player, if we hadn't had a penalty we would have, if it did, if it did, and he would like, Heinrich Hermann Hofmeister would raise his one finger up and here I am just a little boy and he would smile at me and he would go, if, if, the largest word in the English language and I realized, it took me years before I realized that was Jesus trying to reach me, you know, as a little boy about these hypotheticals and think about all the worry and concern that goes into the hypotheticals, concern about your, your weight or your diet or your, what you're going to do in the future or how you're going to be provided for even, you know, all the things that seem to be so practical, all those hypotheticals and really when you look at what the Course is teaching us and what Jesus is really teaching us is, is that's the problem. The problem is believing in hypotheticals. The problem is believing that, that there even could be two categories of it actually happened and it didn't happen. If it's all images and it's all the past and it's all over and done, how could we have two categories of what happened and what didn't happen? Even that, you know, all the, all the controversies aren't really controversies at all. It's just the ego's belief in imagination, in the idea of hypotheticals. That's the problem. It's believing in hypotheticals and just think of it. This very instant, if you gave your mind over and just were allowed to be shown the impossibility of hypotheticals, it would solve every problem right now. Trust would settle every problem now. You know, think of it in terms of like relationships, like Ben and Karen. If there were no hypotheticals, what joy? What joy? Are we going to sleep together tonight? Will there be any touching, any affection? Will there be sex? Will I be able to have money to buy a computer? Will I have control of my bank account? All the go on and on and on. If, if, if, if it's all just hypotheticals. That's the simplicity of salvation. Just starting to see that none of it has any meaning because it's all hypothetical. Look at any relationship. Look at any struggle you have. Any worry, any concern about the future, about being provided for, about where your life is going to hypothetically go. Really? Just, it starts to become laughable. It's all hypothetical. And that's, I think that's the greatest joy is just starting to be shown. We can let go of that. We don't have to think like that anymore. We can be in glee. We can be in joy. We can fully appreciate this very moment and and see that that is the most practical thing and that all this hypothetical thinking is just a big cobweb of distractions that always has some suffering with it, always has some misery. It has nothing to do with the way we were created. It has nothing to do with who we are. And there's no controversy in the present moment. There's no controversy. Jesus says those who seek for controversy will find it. But those who seek for clarity will find it as well. Are we going to be clarity seekers or controversy seekers? Are we going to seek for the moment and open to it or are we going to keep playing hypothetical games about could or would it should have? That was what I was screaming about with my, my grandfather laughing at me as I was going all these hypothetical things and him just hilariously laughing at me and me getting mad that he was so happy. I think he's so happy. He wasn't really rooting for any team. He wasn't seeing the possibility of could or would it should have. In heaven, cause and effect are together because God and Christ are one in spirit. And this whole world is the belief that cause and effect can be separate. Number one, that Christ could leave the mind of God. Christ is an idea in the mind of God and cause and effect are together. This world is the belief. This whole cosmos is a belief that Christ could leave. The effect could leave the cause. And then it's projected out and every, you know, you've got a PhD. I was in university for 10 years. Every discipline that we've ever studied, every discipline is based on spurious cause effect relationship. Everything from Newtonian physics for every action there's a reaction. I get that. I get that. It's the cause and effect thing together that I'm looking to deepen my experience at. Yeah. Well, the only way we can we can know that is we have to really actually, experientially get that that that it's impossible that everything we've believed about this world, which is all based on false cause and effect, split cause and effect has no validity and no reality because that's the underlying split. The idea that cause and effect are apart and that cause comes first and effect comes second. And it's just not the case. And so when I discovered this, you know, when I was doing the course many years ago in the 1980s, it was like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, help me transfer this like with diet and nutrition, you know, all false, all false, all based on false cause and effect. I just looked at all the disciplines I studied. I studied a lot of different disciplines, took a lot of classes in 10 years and full time in university. And then I got the course and I was like really hanging it. Okay, hanging in there with Jesus. And I was like, Oh, my God, everything I ever learned, everything I ever learned was false. And that set me free. That was what set me free. And then to practice that and teach that that's what all these seeming relationships and seeming things over the years over this last quarter of a century has been transferring that and making no exceptions to that, making no exceptions to the miracle. And seeing how humbling that is, but how joyful and gleeful. That is, I think of my grandfather just laughing and laughing and laughing and holding that finger up and going if largest word in English language and I'll be like, you know, but it was this Holy Spirit using this 80 some year old man, like a wise, you know, medicine man, a tribal man in the tribes, you know, wise, wise, wise holding that finger up going if, if, if and how that's what a time saver. What a what a saving grace that is to just begin to see wrong about it all. You know, I could be hurt by nothing but my thoughts, you know, thoughts, mind is a level of causation. I can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts is a great release because it pulls it off the screen. And, and, and I've had fun with that over the years, you know, I remember I was living in the peace house one time and ends and people got into the, to the refrigerator and they opened it up and they were like, Oh, the milk had gone completely and everything, but they left it in there. So, and then they watched me in the kitchen go in there and pour less milk and, and talk to them as I'm drinking the milk and they're just going, Oh, my God, what's he doing? You know, they thought to play a joke, a practical joke, but, but it's, it's mind over matter. It's, it's all mental. It's all mental or that people will say, Oh, you did too much travel. You need to rest. You need to rest. Rest doesn't come sleep, doesn't come from sleeping. Rest comes from waking. Rest comes from purpose. Rest doesn't come from resting the body. You don't ever really feel restful from resting the body. That's just, again, false cause effect relationships. So you give yourself over to this, this idea of simultaneous, this idea that everything is of the mind, that there's nothing outside of the mind that all causes in the mind. And then you practice transfer, transfer, transfer, transfer. And that's, to me, what true forgiveness is. It's making no exception to what the metaphysics are. Of course, it's great to have Jesus with his divine metaphysics because they're spectacular. They're just absolutely spectacular. But unless we transfer the training, unless we practice the teachings and make no exception, as he says, we won't, we won't really know the full experience that's available. And that's what we do. That's what our mind training is about here. That's why we're happy to be about our mind training. And there's so many opportunities to come up and forgive so many, like, like your friend, the woman who was the teacher who was saying it's more favorable, advantageous to practice in a group. Because it's just wham, it just hits you from every angle, you know, with a group. And that's really what we want. We just, we want it, want to come through it. We want to transfer it, bring it on, yeah.


Okay, we are now going to go on to S 25 and Michelle child is here. And Michelle can you tell the committee what what's happening or what the problem is and why we just got this. Sure. So is it. Do you guys like to share the see stuff on the screen or do you like consulting your own documents or what's your pleasure. We put it up on the screen. That's my screen sample. It's, yeah, it's, it's Friday afternoon you see how spin. I'm so excited everyone is you would prefer for to be on the screen everybody. Okay, sure. And there's a reasonable chance we're all looking at the same thing. Okay. Can everyone see this. I'm going to show you I'm going to walk you through the underlying judiciary and that work. So, so there are some fees in the in S 25. And this is in on two areas and this is the addition of advertising fees for that relate to the regulation of the new cannabis establishment will be coming online next year. So last year when Act 164 passed. I don't know if you recall but there was a there was a discrepancy or disagreement between the House and the Senate, with regard to the advertising language. The Senate had for some proposal, the House government operations kind of expanded that and put that on the floor but then on the House floor, an amendment passed banning all advertising. So, I went back to the Senate and there was a conference committee established. The Senate had some real concerns around constitutional issues of doing a straight up ban of advertising. And so the agreed upon language that was in the conference committee report was for the Attorney General's office was for the board, the cannabis control board working with the Attorney General's office to report back to the general assembly this April and then first, with regard to a proposal for regulating the advertisements for these new cannabis establishments in a way that kind of encompasses the principles at the act that the General Assembly put forth but, you know, to do it in a constitutionally defensible way. Unfortunately, we don't have a board yet. So, getting the board up and running has taken much longer than the timeline that you anticipated and put forth and act 164 and so there's no way, you know, because there's no board there's no way obviously you get those recommendations April 1. So what Senate judiciary decided to do is they took the House government operations proposal that was voted out of that committee and sent to the floor last year. And they've encompassed they've taken that and they've dropped that in as it passed House government operations and they've put that in S 25. I hear from the Attorney General's office that the Attorney General's office approved of the language and they felt as though it was defensible. And so that's what you have so I'm not going to go through the advertising language but I give you that backstory because one of the things that was contained in that proposal was a requirement that prior to a cannabis establishment, they were publishing their advertisements they had to submit them to the board for review and that there would be a cannabis advertising fee associated with that. And so what you have in section three and section four is addressing the advertising fee issues solely. You'll see in section three in the language I have up here. And if you're following along at home it's on page four. And you'll see just the addition of the fees going into the cannabis regulation fund the cannabis regulation fund is solely comprised of fees by the board, and that fund is what runs the regulatory program, all the tax money goes elsewhere so the program on straight up on the fees. So they're at they're adding it in section three. And then before this is the language the session law language that was an act 164 that directs the board to do the reporting. And so, again, this is this section is amending and adding that they would be reporting on the fees. And then I'm going to come back if I can I'm going to come back to this issue in a moment after Senator Pearson wants to talk to you about another proposal related to this and I can tie them together. Sir McDonald did you have a question. I'm just trying to find that just trying to find the build the mute button for me. No question. Senator Sorak and did you have a question. I do have a question it's not related to the language but I have a feeling it's going to be somewhat relevant to the rest of this bill. What was the requirement for when the board should have been appointed and what kind of timeframe, are we on now and is there a potential legal challenge to the delay. The timeline which I can, I have a timeline all spelled out I can provide that to you. The board was supposed to have been confirmed by the Senate by January 19. So if you got the names tomorrow, we have we have a confirmation period to go through to right. Right, right. And so, um, as I mentioned there isn't the board isn't seated yet. And so we are a few months behind and Senator Pearson is on the nominating committee so I would maybe defer to him, if you know to address the issues of the wise and how long it may take to get the board seated and such but there is, we are running at least a few months behind at this point. Thank you. The next changes. And this is a separate issue from advertising fees. And this is in section 11. And so one of the things that as 25 does is it addresses a few issues around social equity. And so you see in section 11. This has the office control board. They're reporting their recommendation on fees that they are to propose a plan for reducing or eliminating license fees for individuals from communities that have historically been disproportionately impacted by cannabis prohibition, or individuals that have been personally impacted by cannabis prohibition. And so that's what's in the bill. The issue that I'll just set up, I think for that is a big one is because of the delays. The general assembly is the one that sets the fees obviously it were in a bit of a pickle here. As to whether or not it's possible to roll out the program. The board is supposed to be next year because of because of these delays so the according to the act 164 timeline, the board is supposed to be accepted is supposed to finish their rulemaking and start accepting applications for the new, for the new licenses. As of next spring. And so if the general assembly adjourns this and doesn't have hasn't set the fees then it's not obviously functional. So, so the issue is just out there about what types of what kind of tweaks to act 164 or what, what you would include on an S 25, can you do to to still kind of hold out hope that you can still get these new cannabis businesses licensed. You know, close to the timeline that you've already set out, because you have to wait until obviously next January to establish the fees and then you'd have to push something through really quickly. And that doesn't really give applicants, a lot of time to consider, you know, the cost associated with the application and the licensing process. Adam. Sorry, I think Senator Pearson's been trying to talk for a while so I'll. Okay, I know Sandra Pearson has some proposed language so you have a question before. I do have a question if on the social equity fee part of it Michelle is, is there a definition anywhere for individuals that have been impacted by prohibition or anything or is it self certified or how do. There isn't and this has been, I imagine, if y'all and other committees have been kind of grappling with how do you identify this, this group. It's been a little tricky for folks there elsewhere in the bill it's, there's the creation of a cannabis business development fund. They specifically use a term around social equity applicants. But what they've done in S 25 is have the advisory committee that's within the board be making recommendations as to who qualifies as a social equity applicant, but that definition doesn't exist yet. And so, and there's just been a lot of discussion around how do you identify for who should qualify for the reduced fees and they don't want to wait to get a report back or anything like that they want it to be able to be for you guys to be able to consider those reduced or eliminated fees as soon as possible. And so there isn't a definition of that but the goal was to not limit it to just race or just people who might have a prior conviction, or things like that because it could there could be a wide array of ways in which someone could be negatively impacted by this prohibition and so they wanted to leave it to leave it a little bit open. So it would be up to the board to make a recommendation about who they think qualifies under that. Okay, so there may be some kind of application process or certification process or at least a definition process that the board. Yes, with okay. Yes, great. Yeah, thank you. Okay, Senator Pearson. So, just a question from Michelle and then I'm happy to get into my issue. If you're ready, ma'am chair. Yes, I think so. I think you said, when you're talking about the timeline that the original the law lays out this fee thing that the board was supposed to come to legislature I think April 1. And then start issuing permits. And you said, I think you said next spring but actually, if I recall some of the permits get issued, you know, for the grows and other processors. I think it's better than that right because the idea, as we conceived was that stores, at least integrated licenses could open as early as April 22. Right, I can't remember if they start accepting applicant I think they start accepting applications March 1 of next year. Okay. Except for the small office, the small Georgia so I still think of March spring, although I realize it doesn't count. It's small because there's some permits that start getting issued or accepted. So you need to have a fee I think by the time you accept an application, which is different from granting a permit. And I thought some of the permits might even be applications might come start coming in this fall. No, my totally miss her. Okay. No, I can email all of y'all in faith, the timeline while while we're discussing that Senator Hardy, among others will like that because it's a good chart if I recall. Yes, thank you. So the details of the timing are important. The details of the fees. So remember the fees are supposed to support the regulation the board itself their own staffing and infrastructure. They are meant to imagine to be offering different fees for different licenses. And then even some of those licenses say a growing license would have different tiers it's been imagined. And obviously if you have a big grow it's different fee than if you have a thousand square foot grow. The reason that we have wrestled with setting the fees is that we have wrestled with how much how many kinds of businesses do we want do we want to have five big ones and 100 little ones, etc etc figuring that balance out is tricky. Then figuring out how many you think we need versus how much money do we need to raise to get this whole thing going is even more tricky. What we face now is the choice of either us figuring it out, or not doing anything and losing an entire year where the board would come back to us in January for us to approve the fees. Neither of them seem practical to me we don't have the capability I don't think to figure it out. Because there's so many interconnected pieces, and I'm not interested, and I don't think others are interested now that we've taken this leap in losing another year. So what Michelle has kindly drafted some language, what I would propose we do is maintain that structure where the board comes up with a proposal for the fees. But since we won't be around to then approve them. They bring those that those proposed fees which are temporary fees for the first year to the joint fiscal committee. And only after the fiscal committee acts to approve them with those fees go into place so that the board could start accepting applications. And that's the concept that what we've got Michelle and and the I can walk us and the I can walk us through how it goes but that's what I'm hoping we can do because and if we don't want to do it here we could potentially still do it this year. But I like that this becomes the cannabis sort of update bill and his web together and I think that has some benefits for us as we head to the other body. So that's the concept and and appreciate folks thinking about it. Okay committee any questions. I'm not seeing any Michelle can you put the new wording up send her hearty. I was just going to ask if we could go through the amendment because there's a lot crossed out and I was wondering what's crossed out and what's new. Did you want me to just show you the timeline real quick on some of those dates or just go straight to the amendment. If you send us the timeline I can look at it on my own or on the side. Okay. If you send it to faith she'll send it to us. Yeah, and I send it to all of y'all as well as today, and they start accepting applications in April 1 of next year. And that is because we have to wait for the board to go through the rulemaking process adopt the rules, and in order so that everybody knows what roles they're, they're applying under so. Okay, I will share. Okay, so you should have Senator Pearson's amendment up I drafted it as a committee amendment just because I know everything's moving fast right now. So what this does is it strikes the, the section four in the judiciary proposal of amendment, which that section is amending section five of Act 164 from last year that required the board to report to you on April 1. They can't do it so it essentially strikes, strikes that language so if you see there and starting online. 19 is all of that language that struck through is all the all the stuff around fees that they were supposed to report to you on. But no don't worry because it's coming back in the second instance of amendment in section for a. And the alternative we came up with for your consideration is for the recommendations to go to the joint fiscal committee, instead of the General Assembly. And so you'll see there the new section for a and subsection a is that honor before August 1 of this year, the board would provide draft recommendations to the joint fiscal committee for its approval on the following and then there's the same list of items that was contained in Act 164 for reporting, plus the new language online 13 and 14 for including the advertising review fee. And so they would report to the committee as of August 1. Then on subsection be. You'll see on sorry I can't see my page numbers with the split screen but you'll see that within 30 days of receiving the proposal from the board, the committee shall review the recommendations at its regularly scheduled meeting and provide feedback to the board for any suggested and see the board shall revise the proposal if necessary to incorporate the committee's recommendations and present a revised draft for approval to the committee at its next regularly scheduled meeting. D states that the fees are to take effect upon approval by the committee. So the committee has to approve them and then they'll take effect. And then after that so that's just kind of a stop gap measure for this year so that the whole program doesn't come to a halt because there aren't any fees in the future, it'll just be part of the regular fee bill process. So it's Michelle. Yeah, I'm trying to line up the dates they have until August 1 to report to joint fiscal. Yes, memory serves me joint fiscal meets in July and November. I'm not clear if we have a meeting in October. So if it doesn't come in until August, we can't do it until November. I just want to make sure we get the dates. I didn't realize they I thought they had that they met more frequently but that was this past year we met weekly so I'm kind of thrown off the rate we may have a regular meeting in October. I mean you don't I just I just create that I mean you could say the board shall have a meeting specifically on this I mean you could put it for the July meeting but again with there's no board. Yeah, no let there will be let's just say they shall consider it joint fiscal shall consider it. Well, let's let me try emailing Steve Klein or Catherine and asking when we meet. I can look it up. So keep going and I'll. Okay, so the timing obviously you can play around with that you just want to make sure that we would we be safer to I see what you're doing Michelle and I liked the idea of you don't want to force them to meet specially but you also don't want the legislature suddenly to start delaying and so you've said within 30 days of receiving the proposal which keeps a little heat on the joint fiscal committee but if we took that 30 days out, then you know and frankly took out regularly scheduled meeting. Then you've left it firmly in the hands of the fiscal committee. And we're not in trouble if they meet on the 35th day or something. Be wiser madam chair. Yeah, I've just sent an email to Steve Klein just asking, there may, there may well be one in October. And if there is then it comes in in August we can do one in October and one in November. I also wonder Michelle about just saying September 1 because there's a lot of work that goes in before they craft these and it wouldn't shock me if joint fiscal didn't meet in August so No, we don't meet in August we meet in July, usually the end of July. So that's, may I suggest we make it September 1. We take out that 30 day stopwatch, and we just take out the regular scheduled meeting so that we're not binding ourselves in any weird way that we don't quite mean to. We give the board a little bit more time, and we make sure that the joint fiscal committee doesn't inadvertently trip some calendar, but we still have ourselves. You know we're not stuck in this weird time where we don't have anything sorted out because of the messed up timeline. This is an S bill right. So if there's an, yeah, if there's a problem it can get corrected. Our people are comfortable with those modifications. So we make it September 1. We take out the within 30 days and we take out regularly scheduled meeting so that it's just a little more fluid. I'm fine with that as long as Madam chair, since you're on the committee, you're okay with that. I mean, knowing that this isn't the last stop I'm okay with leaving it the way it is. And if it turns out the timeline doesn't work. Given the history of cannabis bills that'll be the least of the problems to correct. You know there's time to correct it. What I don't know. Yeah, if Steve Klein is sitting there watching his email anticipating my missive so. What happens if the names of the board further delayed. I mean at some point we're just pushing into January in terms of this question. But again, you know, we're trying to work. We're trying not to just sort of back into being a year late that's, that's my goal. If the board gets named this gives us time to move forward in our present timeframe. If the board doesn't get named. Then we got a whole new kettle of fish here, which does that work. The existing law, one that the legislature has to approve these fees. Is that the way it works now. They're bringing them to us by April 1st. So that would be a remarkable. Donald. I'm sure I believe existing law is that all fees must be approved by the legislature. I would count. I recounted a past the time when the legislature went and passed a statute that said that the taxes would be X if the federal government did why absent. And. That was challenged. It's constitutionality, but before the court, this case was heard, the legislature had resumed in January and retroactively, you know, and had approved the fees that had been established. That had been challenged. So I would suspect that I don't believe we can. Maybe we can. Delegate our taxing authority, but I'm not sure that these are there and yeah, you joined us. Can you help us. I brought in a visitor. I'm here for the record, and the extra Cooper from the office of legislative council filling in for Becky Wasserman who needed to be someplace else and draft a whole bunch of other stuff. So I'm here exclusively to answer this question and I consulted with Becky in advance. I'm not aware of the specific case that you are speaking of, but it does sound like it had to do with the authority to tax based on language in the 32 vsa section 603 subdivision one, and you'll see in the language that Michelle put up. I'm not withstood here. It says any new fees shall be established solely by act of the General Assembly, which will designate the service or product provided a regulatory function performed for which the fee is to be charged. So one, we're notwithstanding that to it's within the General Assembly's authority to set fees, which is being delegated to the joint fiscal committee. It's more specific than this general the General Assembly must set fees so the specific supersedes the general. And there are sort of two instances setting aside the fact that the joint fiscal committee has been used for the fee process on in other instances which is where this language is partially drawn from in subdivision to certain means that the fee calculations of fees is left to the joint fiscal committee in the ordinary course, and the approach that's being taken with the joint fiscal committee being sort of as the seal of approval of the General Assembly writ large when you're not in session is similar to the process that you have the IRF money with the joint fiscal committee sort of going through this money going back into the pot redistributing, which as your chair mentioned is is why the joint fiscal committee that so much over the last year. So we do think that this is something that is within the General Assembly's power to delegate to joint fiscal, and it would be within joint fiscal committees power to approve the fees under the sort of revamped timeline structure in the amendment. I'm sure that silenced me. That is a first senator. And can you stay with us for a while. Nice job. That is my full answer Michelle has all of the other answers for we'll find them for you. This was my I just want you to just the silent Senator McDonald so we get out of here before midnight. I think that someone challenges the legislature will probably come back in January and for stall work case. Okay, thank you for bringing in witness. And you are then providing a little bit of sort of consistency for the individuals who would be applying for these applications and I think Michelle said April, as to what those fees are apt to be if it does turn out. And we don't think it would that it would mean to be something that the General Assembly would adopt. Okay. So, so I did make those amendments as Senator Pearson just suggested you want me to pop those up on the screen just so you can see them. So, you'll see there so changing the August 1 to September 1. And then going down here and just instead of saying within the 30 days say upon receiving the proposal, the committee, oops, regularly scheduled that's got to go. Sorry. And provide feedback to the board and then see, I took out the language around the regularly scheduled meeting so. Right. And Michelle, you, for the committee's knowledge, you know, it's a little tricky. It's a little bit like the rules. When we're reviewing rules, the legislature can't direct changes but clearly here. The committee has to approve them. So if they say, geez, why didn't you do X, Y and Z, the board will be able to say, here's the updated version of our recommendation with X, Y and Z. And so the power retains with the Joint Fiscal Committee are sort of acting on our behalf. We thought that was well crafted as trying to hold on to that balance and not, you know, trip us up as much as we could think it through. And I had shared with Senator Pearson that something similar happens with the legislative review of judicial rules. The Joint Judicial Rules Committee has the ability to object to proposed court rules, but to try to avoid a last minute objection and stalemate. There's there's usually a dialogue between the court and the legislature and they send the proposed rules over and legislators can say this we'd like to tweak to that and then they go back and then they come back with it. It is the most boring committee I have ever served on as a non lawyer. I think it was my first year. Yeah, it is a bit of a niche.  It's even if you are. Yes, if you are it you like to get into that but I did want to let you know is that this is based loosely on something an existing launder title 22 with regard to the Vermont State Web portal is there's a process there and that was established and I think section 953 for something kind of similar to this where they're recommending things to Joint Fiscal Committee Joint Fiscal Committee has the ability to approve or reject so it's not exactly like that but just as another kind of some support for that this isn't creating something new that you've never done before. Thank you for your pleasure. Madam chair can I ask a question of Michelle. Is this the only thing in this bill that is relevant to the finance committee that we that we have to deal with today, or is there something else. It's just the, okay. Thanks. The advertising fee, the reduction for just historically disadvantaged, and then this proposal on top of that. Okay, but those two fees would be sort of incorporated into this process right. Yeah. Okay. Or all those provisions in in draft 2.1 1210 p.m. I've got 3.2. 3.2. Okay. Okay. 3.2 12 p.m. on the 12th or we have a different. 3.2. 317 p.m. I haven't emailed that out to folks I just did it while we were talking. So the one here says 319 2021. That's the same date. It's a 317 is the time. Okay. Thank you. Okay. But I need a motion. I think that. Chair, I'm happy to move that committee. A man approve. Well, no, a man S. 25 as it came to us with draft 3.2. Discussion. If not, I think Michelle, if you take that down, I can actually see if they're voting. Sorry. See them so they can vote. All right. Further discussion. If not, all those in favor say aye. Opposed say no. Are there seven of us here? Yeah. So that carries 7, 0, 0. And Senator Pearson, I assume you're going to be the reporter. Sure. Happy to. Okay. And the report favorably when so amended. Yes. You made that motion, right? Okay. Further discussion. If not, all those in favor say aye. Opposed. Okay. Hearing no negatives that carries 7, 0, 0. And we will send it to Senator Pearson. We can send it to Secretary Bloomer. And that's it. We were looking at a really light week next week, but I think we'll try and start. Working through some of Steve Whitaker's issues and that might tie up very well with the telecom plan that's coming. I'm going to set a bar at the last three years, maybe I'm not going back to sins of 1987. But I think we're going to have to see if we can figure out if there's something we can do going forward. Short of requiring the governor to put more people in there, which I think would help. You got three people in the, you know, the commissioners got two in herself working on broadband, which may be a source of some of the problems, but we shall see. That's a good weekend. We'll see everybody on Tuesday. At least that's my plan at this point. For me. I'm not here. I'll be in touch with Senator McDonald.