Hey guys, it's Nate, AKA The Foot Accountant. Welcome back to the channel. We have some very big news to talk about in today's video because there is a brand new pack code that has been added to FIFA 22 Ultimate Team talking about a future stars party bag SBC that is gonna be coming here in the next two days. Either today or tomorrow, this SBC is gonna be dropping inside of FIFA and I wanna talk to you about what kind of cards are gonna be available from this, how much is it gonna cost and what is it gonna do to the market because again, right now we are in a market where a lot of coins are being drained. We had that future stars reunion player pick yesterday where it was a very interesting SBC, really not that great a value but still some pretty cool, I guess you could say content. So we'll talk about how the market is going to react to this party bag SBC as well as EA just continue to drain coins off of this market and off of this game because the SBC content has been continually rolling out every single day on this game and that affects the market. So let's get into it and talk about this because this future stars party bag looks really, really sick. There's a lot, the three types of cards that are available from this party bag are fricking hype. So if you're excited for this party bag SBC, make sure to hit thumbs up on the video and subscribe if you're new, let's dive right into it, right? This is the pack code that has been leaked and it's also a little bit refreshing, may I say that this is like the old way. You know, when we didn't have leaks every single day on this game, we would just see stuff added to the code and we'd be like, oh my goodness, let's go. There's gonna be a pack that's coming to this game. No leaks about this party bag yet, just this code. But a code added to the game means the pack is coming very soon. Now, the future stars party bag, three different cards are gonna be available from this pack, which will be available in my opinion through SBC. This is not a pack that's in the store. This is a pack where EA is like, hey, we're gonna make this cost some coins and make people do a gamble SBC, right? As we so often see in this game nowadays, winter wild cards, team of the year honorable mentions and future stars, team number one only. Future stars, team number one. Those are the three types of players available from this party bag SBC. Those are some pretty good promos. There's some pretty good cards inside of each of those promo teams. They're even pretty expensive, still on this market right now. You think about winter wild cards. You've got guys like Neymar. You've got guys like Pogba. Plenty Zlatan Ibrahimovic is available through this SBC, right? Team of the year honorable mentions, we just had those cards, right? Those are very high cards. Holland, Foden, Bruno, Rutiger, great cards in there. Future stars, team one, of course, available right now. Bellingham, Vlahovic, Smith Row, Chalmeni, Ferrant Torres. There's a lot of great options that are available from this SBC and it makes you think that it might be kind of expensive. So if we're talking about how much would this cost, I really think, you know, we have to look back at this year's, we've had party bags already this year. We had two party bag SBCs during the winter wild cards promo that contained ones to watch rule breakers, adidas numbers up and team of the group stage players. And these SBCs costed about 30,000 coins a piece. They were very, very cheap. SBCs in general have been a lot cheaper this year. Last year during Future Stars, we had party bags as well that contained ones to watch rule breakers, row to the finals, Future Stars, like a lot of different promo teams. Some of those like ones to watch, not being that hype. And these costed 100,000 coins. I think for this player SBC right here, this Future Stars party bag, there's obviously a lot of great cards available. As we mentioned, I think this tweet says it here. Shout out to Foot Donkey for tweeting this out and do a little bit of research. There are 68 cards that are possible to pack from this party bag SBC. 25 of them, which is just under about 50%, are worth 200,000 coins a piece. He says, I can't be this party bag being cheap. Chance is at Neymar, Ibra, Pogba, Salah, Bruno, Bellingham, Chalmany, et cetera, right? There is a lot of potential from this party bag SBC. But again, as I look back and see a lot of SBCs, especially the upgrade pack SBCs throughout the year this year, I really think that today this party bag SBC is still only gonna cost you around 100,000 coins. I know there's a lot of great stuff that is in here, but if you have about 100 to 100 and maybe 50k max, I really think that 100,000 coin price range is gonna be where EA puts the price of this SBC today or tomorrow whenever this drops. I think it might even be today on Wednesday on this game. Everybody's gonna prepare for I think that like 100,000 coin range. Now SBC fodder is up, right? Cards on the market in terms of the fodder players on this game are up. 85s are 11, 12,000 coins apiece. After the big SBCs that we had yesterday, right? You take a look at these graphs, you see Cavani was like 9.9k. He rose all the way up to about 12,000 coins, you know, almost extinct. 85 rates are actually about to be extinct on the market. So EA needs to do some price range updating if they're gonna require more 85s. 86s is about 18k apiece. But I really think the potential here is if you're gonna make an SBC that's about 100,000 coins, they could do it with two squads. And I really think they could do like an 83 rated squad with an inform and then maybe an 84 rated squad with maybe two informs or something like that. That would get the price of this SBC up and it would focus on the lower tier fodder.  Those could definitely be required, not for sure. But what I would do is to play it safe, just maybe buy a couple of cards. I know that fodder is very expensive but maybe stock a couple in your club so that you can do this SBC before it actually comes out because these are the types of SBCs that everybody's going to do just because that it looks insane. And I don't really think it's gonna be over 200,000 coins to do this. And a lot of people have SBC fodder in their clubs right now because they've been doing 80 plus player picks, right? And these, I just did three of these right before recording this video. And I got an 88, an 84, and an 84, and three player picks. These are really grindable and worth the gamble. And a lot of people are doing these to try to pack future stars but they're also pretty good for crafting SBCs. I think people can easily get fodder with these player picks. But again, there are more and more coins being drained off this market because of how EA is doing this content right now. So with that being said, I do think that the fodder market could for sure rise when the future stars party bag is dropped in this game. I think you'll probably see, if it's an 86 rated squad and that's like the requirement for this SBC, that would end up being pretty expensive. I think that'd be like 180,000 coins. Maybe even a little bit more than that with the potential for fodder rising up a little bit. So I feel like it's gonna be more of the 83 to 85 fodder that is needed for this SBC and maybe an 86 card or two. So if you wanna go prepare, that's maybe how you can prepare for some of these cards. You know, informs are already up in price. I believe like all informs are like 11, 12 or 13,000 coins on this market right now. They're up like two to three K a card, I believe. If you even search like gold team of the week, I think this stuff is just all up, right? The cheapest team a week on the market, yeah, 14, 15,000 coins, all of these cards have gone up even for like the 76, 78 rated ones because there's been a lot of informed requirements. Lately, if they do back to back days requiring informs, that's gonna make those go up even more in price as well. So just kind of keep that in mind. And as of right now, you know, since it's so soon after this code has been dropped, I don't see 84s going up a lot right now, but I think what you're gonna see is and maybe when you're watching this video, keep a look at this index 84 because since this code has dropped, I've already started to see some people sell off cards from these Winter Wild Cards team. Team of the Year Honorable Lensions have started to go down a little bit in price, especially on the lower tier. Kiasas 215, Kunde is 220, that's not really low, but Jonathan David's 43K, Mendy is 39,000 coins. And especially on the lower tier of the Winter Wild Cards items, I think you're gonna see some of these cards drop like Collins, 46,000 coins. Genduzzi is just down 10,000 coins since I even started recording this video because the cards that are gonna get packed the most are gonna be these types of cards. So again, just to put this a reality check in mind, yes, this SBC does look really cool, but most likely you're gonna pack somebody from this lower tier section of this pack. But again, it's a fun gamble pack that so many people are going to want to go out and do, and I'm gonna do it right because it's fun. And EA has got us hooked with this sort of content, but we love it, right? We love it because we love collecting these cards, we love the potential of hitting something big, and that's why you're going to continue to see, even into today on Wednesday, you're gonna see people that will go out and panic sell the cards that are going to be packable from this SBC. Now of course, you open this pack and you get either Winter Wild Cards, honorable mentions team of the year or Future Stars item out of it, you're not gonna be getting a tradable version, right? Let's say you open up this Winter Wild Cards pack and you pack yourself Romain Lettuce, I call him Romain Lettuce, Alice Andrini, right? You're gonna pack this guy, he's pretty cheap, right? That would be maybe like a Consolation W, 42,000 coins but a pretty fun card and kind of a FIFA legend, whatever, right? But the card that you pack is not gonna be tradable. So what's gonna happen is yes, this Alice Andrini is gonna get Panic Soul, that it's gonna drop in price leading into the SBC and maybe even after the SBC drops because this is a lower rated card and it's cheaper, so people are gonna pack it a bit more. But let's talk about something through here, right? Talk about Winter Wild Cards Raheem Sterling. He's like 440,000 coins, wow, he's even more than that. Whoa, 460? Raheem Sterling is rare right now, right? This guy is very, very rare on the market and he's usually about 440 to 450K, right now he's 470, so he's up but this is the type of card that's not gonna be packed that much from the SBC today or if you think about even some of the future stars that are high in price right now, Smith Row, right? This is the type of card that you're not gonna see packed very often from the Party Bag SBC today or tomorrow whenever it's released but if you see Panic selling on these types of cards, this is where you have the biggest potential to trade and to make coins on this market. Now the only caveat and the only problem with this is that I will tell you if the player SBC, if the Party Bag SBC comes out today on Wednesday, Wednesday is not a really big buying day for the market but I think what you could see is with this potential Panic selling and with the price drops that you see today, once the division rivals rewards get paid out late Wednesday night into Thursday morning, that is when a lot of people switch on into buy mode as they go out and buy teams for their weekend leagues, for qualifying for weekend league and after they get those rewards, you see a lot of the market rise most Wednesdays and in the Thursdays we see that. So what today might present an opportunity for is buying some of these cards that get Panic sold and drop in price that are meta that are popular that people are gonna use in their teams and see them rise into the next day or so especially if it's somebody that you want for your team, I almost guarantee you we've already started to see a little bit of this Panic selling but you're going to see more Panic selling today into Wednesday as we get closer to the content drop unless we hear leaks or we hear information that the Party Bag SBC is not gonna be today again. I think that it is gonna be today, that's just my prediction. We got the prediction right yesterday with the mid-prime icon pack. So we're gonna hold tight to our lock and hold tight to our guns again and guess that it's gonna be today and we'll go with that. But that's a big SBC, right? Everybody loves these Party Bags and we see this type of SBC impact the market so much. Even yesterday with the reunion, the Future Stars reunion player pick, it was kind of the same scenario, right? A gamble pack where people Panic sold cards and then they rebounded back and then the market lost coins because fodder went up and people were buying these cards. But again, just to give you a summary, I think that this Future Stars Party Bag SBC dropping in my opinion today or tomorrow on Thursday, one of the two is gonna cost somewhere around 100,000 coins, maybe a little bit more and if it's really cheap, maybe a little bit less, I think it is gonna make fodder go up a bit and you're gonna see some more Panic selling on this market today on Wednesday or even tomorrow on Thursday if it is dropped. Then this other, the pack that is in here is called the Future Stars Foundation Pack which contains four gold rare gold rare players rated 80 or higher, one Future Stars swap token and a Future Stars loan player pick on seven games loan. This is a store pack. Now I know that the Party Bag SBC says store pack as well. All the packs that are added to the code, they say store pack. But this pack right here, this Future Stars Foundations pack, that is legit a store pack and what that is, is that is the pack that EA is going to put in the store and I'm searching and I'm finding right now getting into the store through the FIFA points mode because I have a card in mind assigned. But this pack is gonna show up in FIFA today in my opinion today or tomorrow that Future Stars Foundations pack is going to show up and it's going to be like 200 or 300 FIFA points, really cheap, but then it's gonna cost you like maybe 50 or 60,000 coins and that's gonna be what EA describes as our Foot Future Stars swap token pack available in the store. So if you're somebody who's trying to get all of the different swap tokens, that's gonna be the pack where we receive a Foot Future Stars swap token through the store. They said they were gonna make, I think it was just one token available for this through the store and that's our token right there, I believe. That's what that pack being added to the code means. So it's gonna be another great day on the market with making coins, with this SBC. If you have fodder, you know, I mean, a lot of people are probably going out right now as I'm recording this and looking to invest in some of that fodder, those low to mid-rated cards that they think are gonna go up. But again, seriously, if you're looking to trade and make coins today, watch the higher tier cards. Watch for percentage, big percentage drop offs whether before the SBC or after, like Bruno Fernandez, right, Honorable Mention's card. This guy's not gonna get packed that much from that upgrade party bag SBC. So that's the kind of thing to keep in mind, but also keep in mind that as you're seeing prices dropping, and just like we saw yesterday on FIFA, as you saw prices dropping with the SBC that was put out, that Foot Player Pick the reunion, I don't even know what to call this thing. If Foot Future Stars reunion player pick, you see some cards that don't rebound back up as high as they were, right? Perfect example is this Rodrigo. He was 290, almost 300,000 coins on the PlayStation and 224 on the Xbox. The SBC came out yesterday that he was a part of, packable, untradable though. He went from 290s all the way down to 260. Now he's rebounding back, he's about 280k, so he didn't rebound all the way back to 290 and he didn't rebound all the way back to 220 on the PS. He's still close, but not quite there. That's what I would watch out for with Team of the Year Honorable Mentions, the Future Stars items, and the Winter Wild Cards. I would really be careful with these cards and watch their rebounds because I really don't think I'm gonna sit here and tell you, hey, let's say this Fabinho who right now is actually undercut, he's usually 400k. Let's say this Fabinho card goes all the way down to 350, I wouldn't really expect him to go back up to 415,000 coins or 420k what he was yesterday because again, the market is losing a lot of coins right now because EA keeps releasing a ton of SBCs that are draining coins off the market. Yesterday they released that reunion player pick which is about 121,000 coins, right? It was an 85 rated squad with two informs and they released the mid or prime icon pack as well which was cheaper than the last time they put it out. But a lot of people, and this is why you saw the market drop yesterday and why we talked about at the beginning of this week how I really thought the market was gonna continue to drop down overall in value and as you saw a lot of prices do that yesterday it's because of EA right now is putting out these types of SBCs where people are selling cards because they want to get coins to go and do these sorts of SBCs and get the packs and have fun on the menus of this game because oh my goodness, you know, you could pack somebody insane. So that's kind of what's going on with the market right now at the moment and that's why again, if you're looking for drop offs today to try to make coins and try to buy and invest and flip cards on the market make sure that you're getting big percentage point drop offs on cards that are rare, popular and meta, right? The same thing from yesterday, I picked up two Joao Felix yesterday at 620,000 coins in the panic selling when he dropped off because I knew that this card of Joao Felix is popular, meta and very rare, right? So he went all the way down to 620 it was about right here, like right after the SBC was released, I bought two of these at 620 and I sold them both. I actually sold them a little bit early, I guess you could say because right now he's back up to almost 680,000 coins or he's right here at 680. I sold both of mine at 677. So 670, I think flat and 677. So that was a nice bit of a card that got panic sold and bounced back and that's exactly what you can do today with these cards with that party bag SBC when it does get dropped. But again, just remember that right now in this game, a lot of coins are being taken off of the market as it stands at the moment. And if you're somebody who's also like, man, I don't quite have the SBC fodder to do this or I'm broke and I got nothing to do. There's great trading opportunities, as we said but if you have a few coins and you wanna try to craft one of these SBCs again this 80 plus player pick is really good for stocking fodder in your club and on this game. So that's what I would say for that as well if you're looking to get some fodder. Now right now I almost have all of my coins liquid. Not quite. This is the last two days of flips for me. It's been a pretty busy last two days. You know, not every single card in here is a win as well, right? Like a lot of these Gen-Doozies you see here sold at 275, 274. I bought like eight Gen-Doozies yesterday at 240 to 250. They were somewhere in that 240 to 250 range. Sold all of them at like 270, 275. So that was nice. Some of these Tomiasus were from Sunday night and Monday and a couple of these other random cards in here as well. Like this is this case I bought at 97K. I lost some coins on Elmas, right? I bought a couple of these at like 112, 113. Had to sell those for a bit of a loss, right? Jonathan David, I bought this for like 60K two days ago trying to flip it for like 70, right? And now he's 47,000 coins. So we definitely are in the positive because of these flips, right?  I had to sell a couple at 250 but I sold some other ones at 230 to get out, bought some Tiago Jalos at 255. So a lot of those at 280, 270. So there's a lot of profits in here but there's also a few losses, right? And that's just the nature of trading in a market like this where you have a lot of coins being devalued from it is you have a lot of people that are losing coins and selling cards and those cards don't always bounce back to where they were. Take a look at Ferrant Torres. 1.35, that's a pretty big undercut and that got bought but you're seeing these future stars even as I'm recording this video these cards are literally just dropping in price. And I mean, a lot of these cards were a bit too expensive. Again, as they have ballooned up a lot on the market in the past couple of days but now especially on the lower tier cards like maybe it's a guy like Tomiasu you'd be very, very careful with today because this guy's probably gonna get packed a decent amount from that party bag SVC. You have to be careful with this guy, right? Yes, he's a prem right back. Yes, he's an exciting transfer to a big club in the Premier League. First special card that he's had on FIFA and it's a cool item and with good stats but a lot of people are gonna be packing these lower tier cards and that's why you're seeing the panic selling and it's going to continue to happen. So it's gonna be a crazy day of content today on Wednesday with all the stuff that is gonna be going on in this game. Now last couple of things I wanna talk about if you were confused about the SPC yesterday which I was definitely confused right away when it dropped. The Foot Future Stars reunion player pick it's like Nate, I did this SPC but it still shows that it's here, right? Well, this is the new, there's limited repeatable SPCs. It's a repeatable SPC that you can complete a certain number of times. So let me explain this, right? You can do this Future Stars reunion player pick once but it doesn't expire for three days but in one day and 14 hours it's gonna open up again and it's going to be able to be repeated again. So technically this SPC is out for three more days but in two more days you're gonna be able to do it again. Same thing with the mid or prime pack that was released yesterday. You can repeat it two times but then after you repeat it twice then you have to wait and I think and it may be a couple of days as well but I didn't do this so I can't see and then it re-ups again, right? That's the new limited repeatable so it shows as repeatable but it's not like you can just do it over and over and over and over, right? You have a limited number of repeats. So that's a very new and interesting concept as long as they never put a cap on the number of repetitions for like a player pick like this or for an upgrade pack, we're gonna be fine but other than that I think it's cool and honestly it's just different. It's a brand new concept that we haven't seen ever before so GGZA that's another kind of cool thing that they added to this game as well with what's going on right now in Future Stars. Also content-wise today, we have a new team of the week. I don't have any leaks for the team of the week. I don't think that Messi is gonna be in so my hope of Messi upgrading to a 96, I do have this card that I'm trying to sell and trying to flip. It doesn't look good, right? It doesn't look good. I think I'm gonna maybe get out as a break even as I bought it just over two million coins and he's only up about 150k so it's a small flip there if any profit for our Messi because I don't think he's gonna get in team of the week but I don't have any leaks on that right now. I'm sure that we're gonna have some leaks soon so we'll be keeping an eye on Twitter for all that stuff that's going on in today's game. So yesterday as well, I just had to point this out because I know a lot of you guys are like, dude, what happened with Genthusi? Why was he down in the first place? This yesterday was a huge leak and I don't know what's still gonna happen with this. We're still hoping for some more clarification because they added four players from Marseille listed as SBCs into the game. So there was a huge leak yesterday with a lot of people panic selling that Genthusi, Kamara, Gay and Saliba all potentially getting cards. It's wild that they're gonna release four cards from the same club. So we're gonna need some more information and some more, I guess, just some more information on this. Now it is again a leak so you see a lot of the market reacting right now to just a leak, right? You see a lot of that panic selling that drop off here with Genthusi and all of the, basically he dropped 100K yesterday, right? He went from 340,000 coins all the way down to 240, rebounded back up in the 270s and now he's coming back down again with this party bag leak. But this was the crazy leak yesterday that caused a lot of French Lee Gunn midfielders to drop in price and that's a lot of impending panic was because of that SBC. So as we get more information, we'll cover that and we'll talk about that but today's gonna look like a really interesting day on this game, right? And what I'm kinda doing right now is getting all my coins liquid. Once I can sell this messy card, then I'm pretty much liquid. I still have some Donna Rumas. I'm just gonna keep holding onto those, I think. But once I can get this messy out which I got again at 2.04, then I think I'm gonna get my coins liquid and it should be a pretty fun day today on FIFA with that party bag SBC either coming today or tomorrow. I really think it's gonna be today though. That's just my opinion. Watch out for some more leaks this morning maybe confirming that. But party bag SBCs, people love them. There's always a lot of hype around them and this one is, the hype is already beginning to happen. So if you have any questions, drop them down in the comments below but of course, give it a thumbs up to this video if you did enjoy it and subscribe to the channel if you are new. It has been Nate, The Foot Account and I'll catch you guys later. Peace out.


Hey guys, I'm Dreyas. I'm Ryan and today we were talking about gremlins 2 the new batch Prototypes made by none other than Ronculus So how did this all come about many years ago through my internet Porn finding no my internet exploring I came across Some photos from gremlins 2 of the props that did not make The movie beautiful. Yeah, there was penny. There was brownie. There was patches Zoe and Gary So what Nekka did they came along they bought the licences of the unreleased mogwai and they started releasing them in I think 3 to 4 inch form yeah, and those little figures which made me think Should I hunt down the original props from the movie? No because that's too expensive So anyway, Ron was keen to give it a go and as you can see I have the first female mogwai I have penny which was a potential lover interest for gizmo. We don't know how that would Actually happen, but it's a funny concept. We have Zoe, which was a second female mogwai Brownie and patches now There's not much known about where they would actually fit in the new batch, but they look pretty cool What do you reckon they were pulled out of the movie? Maybe there was actually too many mogwai to deal with and the cost of getting them because you're not only making One for the screen to be used over and over again You're making multiples different things that they can put all electronics in and it would have been too much And it would drastically have to change the storyline of gremlins 2 to fit in penny Zoe Duda Gary all the rest of them. There was a ton of prototypes made that just did not see life So I had to get them. Yeah, but you did and look I think they're absolutely fantastic You've got penny. She looks phenomenal with the eyelashes the coloring. You've got Zoe Bit thicker eyelashes on this one, but again, I love this pose how she's sitting down She's probably the the cutesy one. Yeah of all the mogwai You've got patches that does look a lot like gizmo You know, he's waving. I thought maybe he could have been a brother Like I try to figure out How they finish the story how do they fit into the storyline? Are they brothers? That's horrible about brownie Wasn't there a female gremlin in the first one? Yes, there was it's Greta No, because Mogwai not gremlins. Yes with you because she was never a mogwai She was only a gremlin and it was one of the gremlins taking female serum that turned her genetics into Right cross-dressing. Maybe I had every single kind of gremlin.  So anyway guys here you have it the first four Prototypes from the new batch gremlins to made by none other than the legendary Master of all Mogwai out there Ronculous Maximus big shout out to Ron and Matt for helping me secure these amazing pieces for my ever-growing Mogwai collection Bum bum bum So anyway guys remember to subscribe below hit that Bell button hit that red button so you can be kept up to date with all the videos that we'll be doing in our Channel definitely do it and this is Dras. I'm right and we are signing out. Peace


Hi guys, so we're doing this quick video for you to make you aware of another stunning discovery on Earth. We have previously told you about massive human-made structures dating back 12,000 years that were discovered in Bosnia, so we're keeping you updated of more ancient objects that had been on Earth. Wait till you hear this. In the region of Bosnia, 80 kilometers north of the Great Pyramid of the Sun, there's been another remarkable discovery in the form of a massive sphere buried in the ground. Archaeologists investigating the region claimed to be the largest man-made stone ball in Europe, and the oldest in the world, dating back more than 3,000 years at least, but further investigation is needed. The stone was found by Samir Osmanigic, nicknamed the Bosnian Indiana Jones. He says the sphere is further proof that Europe had an advanced civilization that used groundbreaking technology thousands of years ago. In 2005, Osmanigic claimed that Bosnia's Visoco Valley was the site of hidden ancient pyramids linked by underground tunnels stretching many miles. Check out another video on that by clicking the card at the top right of your screen after this short video. The stone sphere was discovered in March 2016 in a forest, and is roughly 3 meters across and is believed to weigh up to 60 tons. It is the most massive stone ball ever discovered in Europe. Does that not just blow your mind?  The most famous of these are found in Costa Rica, where over 300 granite balls weighing up to 14 tons have been discovered that were thought to have been created by a totally forgotten civilization. No one understands the purpose of these stone spheres. It is completely a mystery to experts. There could have been up to 80 of these stone balls in Bosnia, but most of them were destroyed when rumors started circling among locals that gold was hidden inside of them. Just eight remain now, with the latest being the largest one. The discovery adds to previous evidence that there was a technologically advanced civilization living in Bosnia. Amazingly, critics say the spheres was most likely the result of natural processes. Now, we can't speak for you on that, but that just seems like a completely deliberate attempt to hide the true purpose of such stones. Is this natural? Come on, man! In a world that is reawakening a little bit at a time every day, this is another stunning discovery of an ancient past where the civilizations appeared to have had a more advanced technologies than that we are led to believe. We may not have all the answers, but for now we at least have the questions. What do you guys think of the massive spheres of discovered in Bosnia? Thank you for watching, and remember, the ways by which we arrive at knowledge are hardly less wonderful than the discovery of these things themselves.


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Wednesday, exciting here on State Tech, and we're going to talk about weddings and marriage today. And we have not one, not two, but three guests, but our major contributor, John Kun Ching, is going to help us figure this out. It's all about weddings in Hawaii and how they were affected by COVID and where they are going now and their jointers, so to speak, at the hip of the hospitality industry. So welcome to the show, John Kun Ching, Jill Eastley, and Yari Moana-Chanbun. John Kun Ching, can you introduce the other ladies so we know who they are? Of course I can. Thanks for having me, Jay. Again, I'm John Kun Ching. I've been fortunate enough to host a new show on the Think Tech Network series called Hawaii Hospitality. And so, look forward to having more people join us to learn more about what's happening in our visitor industry. So yeah, I mean the wedding industry is huge part of our overall visitor industry, and it has been tremendously impacted by what happened with the pandemic and so forth. Once the shutdown kind of came, you know, February, March of 2020, it really hurt a tremendous amount of businesses. And these two ladies that are special guests can share a lot of that, you know, their own personal and business circumstances with all of you. I'd like to introduce the former director of catering events at Turtle Bay Resort who handled anywhere from 300 to 400 weddings per year. That's Tiari, Tipoti, Moana-Chanbun, and then also Jill Easley, who's the owner of Love and Honesty and also Easley Designs. And together or separately, I'm sure they'll be able to share tremendous insight on what's happened in the industry, how they were able to manage through this last year and maybe a year and a half, and how bright the future looks now that we're in tier three. So why don't we take it away, yeah, well, you know, weddings are really inextricably intertwined with Hawai'i because it's such a romantic place. It was always us, you know, for 100 years anyway. I remember when I was in the service, my wife took me to Kauai, she was from Kauai, and she took me on a little boat up the river in Kauai. The guys been on that boat up the river, and they played the Hawaiian wedding song, and she had me then, she had me there. I tell you, it was so romantic, it was just hard to believe. And then, you know, you look at Elvis Presley and all the music that he had at that time, it drew as, as, as hapahaui music with what was his name back in the 30s at the Moana Hotel, Wembley Edwards, it drew people from around the world, okay, and it drew me, of course, and still draws people, doesn't it? Hawai'i is a great romantic place, and therefore a wonderful place to get married. So three or four hundred per annum, that's one every day, plus, how can you handle that? Right. We sometimes have multiple in a day, you know, that'd be a day without, but a lot of Hawai'i's business is destination weddings. So of course, they don't care if they're on Monday through a Thursday, they're all here to celebrate and enjoy the beautiful island. So we have them, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, all the way through the week. And it's profitable, right? It is very profitable. I remember back in March, when all of this was starting, I was sitting at the back of the ballroom at Turtle Bay. We had done a destination wedding of 120 people, and we just did not know what was going to happen, where this was going to go. We all thought it was going to be a month or two or something. And I just started tearing up because I said, I think this is bigger than we all are going to imagine. And sure enough, here we are. It's over a year later, and we're finally getting some of these numbers back up again. It's been a long haul. There's a whole bunch of trades involved in the wedding industry, the wedding practice in Hawaii. Just off the top of my head, and I think of video because that's what we do, but there's a lot of video to be done. And video for weddings has to be high quality and therefore expensive. And then you have food, you have the room, you have, I don't know, there must be other people here. Who else participates in the coming together about a wedding. So so many of off top, you know, I think initially when everyone was impacted, they thought about venues. They thought about maybe the caterers, but not thinking about the florist, which is a huge part. Jill, the wedding planners, the musicians, the entertainers, fireknife and things like that all go into the videos, the photographers. There's just so many different moving pieces. There's companies that do rentals, such as we have Excel rentals, who I'm with now. We do the tents and things. And then there's small specialty companies that do photo booths.  Right. And then we had our DJs and our musicians. And I mean, the musicians were at almost every single one of those little Japanese weddings that you see are the foreign or destination weddings. You know, they were every single time you saw someone out there was a musician out there. So they were really impacted, too. Let us not forget the tuxedos. Yeah, rentals. Actually, all of the makeup artists for the weddings and things like that. That you don't initially think of when you think of an event or a wedding, you know, there's just so many. Right. Now in the hotel, like in Turtle Bay, that would be indoors. But there's a fair number of weddings that are outside. And am I right about this? Have been outside of tents and, you know, temporary structures. With the new rules and regulations right now, they are only allowing 100 people at the outdoor venues, the indoor venues for the little hotels and the little chapels. They're still at 10 people right now. So we're, you know, tomorrow meeting with the lieutenant governor. That's going to be one of our questions is, when is that going to happen? And is that going to impact these smaller, you know, type of venues that have the chapels and the rooms that are indoors? Yeah. Thank you. That's actually a very good topic, right? That maybe you could explain a little bit more about what that new policy is because I thought it was up to 100, you know, per gathering. So there's a separate standard for smaller venues as well. Yeah. So many of the hotels on the venues right now are actually feeling a little bit lost because, you know, I mean, at Turtle Bay, you have your pavilion. So if you're going to be indoors at the pavilion, or if you're going to be inside the ballroom for the ceremony portion, you are still only allowed to have 10 people. The new rule in law that has just been recently passed is a hundred guests per outdoor venue and outdoor weddings. So that's going to be a big, big question tomorrow. And we are inviting, you know, everyone to come down. But with Josh Green, our lieutenant governor, is that he's going to, you know, hopefully address some of those questions that we have. So let's just say at a local wedding, obviously, we're not just talking about destination weddings, because we have so many local weddings as well. So if they, for the indoor part, like in the church, they can have a maximum of 10. But if they do an outside ceremony at the reception, they can have up to 100 people. Right. So a lot of these outdoor venues, like Sunset Ranch, they are just lamb. They have so many people that are calling them because now they can, you know, they have also, I think, a restaurant licensed to for the reception. So now they can have their 100 people ceremony and then their 100 people reception after two. And, you know, our local families are up at 200, 300 numbers way before this. So now they still have to cut their guest list down. But, you know, we don't know how that impacts the church wedding and are the laws for the church is different for the 10 people, because that's all indoors too. I think it's important. When I went to law school and we studied for the recrams for the bar exam, the rooms were never big enough for all the people who were going to take the bars. Right. So a certain number of people would be in the main room and they'd see the speaker's teachers alive. The other ones would be in another ballroom down the passage somewhere and they'd see it on a television, a monitor. You know, these days you can get a monitor that's so big, almost better than live, you know. And I wonder if you could get around that 100 by having 100 here, 100 here, 100 here, repeating with monitors. What do you think? I'm not 100 percent sure. That might be a good question to ask tomorrow. But, you know, what they do too is that they actually do a live feed. And so anyone that can't be there, they can just click on the link and watch too.  Yeah. So it strikes me that through the year 2010, there were an awful lot of family gatherings done on Zoom. We're talking about weddings, we're talking about funerals, we're talking about anything. What do you like? They're all on Zoom and they were all over the country. And, you know, from the point of view of the people organizing the event, it was cheap because they didn't have to have a room and have that food. You know, all these things you were itemizing, they didn't have to have it. So it was cheap. They liked it that way. Don't you think they want to continue that way? Isn't that something that, you know, because romance requires personal proximity. That's what you're going to tell me. Yeah, go ahead, Scottie. I'll let you. You definitely missed that special moment, right? And those memories that you live. So, you know, funeral services were allowed and a great point was made that, you know, we're allowing the funeral services. Yes, it's an unexpected event, right? Whereas a wedding is planned, which totally understandable. But there's people passing, you know, the grandparents and parents that are waiting to see their child get married now have been waiting a full year for all these postponed weddings that are missing that special moment, you know, walking their daughter down the aisle. The brides are missing out on those moments. I think weddings and, you know, those events bring people together.  And that's, you know, just been totally stopped. I did want to mention about the 10 to also keep in mind that includes your vendors. So it was really hard for anyone to have a wedding. Because really, as you mentioned, all of the vendors that go into it, if you have a photographer, a videographer and a musician, that's four of your 10, you know, then you've got you in the groom. And then that leaves you really for guests. So it's not even that they can have to serve you. So, you know, the hotels, gee, I know people who were going to get married during the early part of COVID and they got stopped in the tracks. And, boy, that's hard.   I mean, a lot of local people would not follow. They would wait for the big shending because the big shending is not the same if you've looked already, you know, so I'm just wondering, John, about, about the how the hotels feel about weddings. How important are they? It seems to me that if you're looking for the big events and the big ballrooms, a lot of them are going to be weddings, right? Yeah, you know, you know, obviously things have changed pretty significantly over the last year, right? You know, at pre-COVID 2019, business was so strong that weddings were always important, especially for the local ones here. Most of the destination weddings weren't that large. I would say some of the Neighbor Island hotels and maybe Turtle Bay got the larger ones, but if you were like the Waikiki Hotel, like the Hyatt or the Hilton or the Marriott, you didn't get the large destination weddings, but the big local weddings were very important, right? So, you know, there were some weddings you could get a thousand, thousand people and so they were important and for the hotels that had large ballrooms like the Hilton, the Marriott, the Sheraton, the Alohielani Hotel, you know, from maybe May all the way through August, it was difficult to find a weekend, a Saturday night, especially and maybe a Sunday afternoon or Sunday night for your weddings. And so now with business levels dropped significantly, yeah, the volume for wedding inquiries has gone up tremendously. You know, I have a lot of contacts that are in sales and catering positions for some of the big hotels and their phones are going crazy.  So I can speak firsthand, so I was at Turtle Bay when it closed and I was there until mid-September and during the COVID, especially, you know, in April of 2020, I mean, we were inundated with calls of people, there was, you know, couples from the mainland and local that were going to have weddings in April, May, June and July and obviously they were frantic, they made all their arrangements, they had bought airline tickets, they had all their musicians plans, they had their tents, their videos, everything organized and deposits paid. And so obviously they were asking, okay, if you're cancelling us in April, are you going to be open in June? And, you know, no one has that crystal ball. So we were just moving weddings further down the road, you know, maybe three months, six months, you're not. You know, till finally, I think during the summer of last year, when things got really bad, I think a lot of the brides and the grooms decided, hey, it doesn't look good and there's no sense in moving it to the fall because, you know, let's just hold it off the next year. And so I know a lot of the hotels in Hawaii are slammed with those wedding requests and back to your question, yeah, I think it's even more important now because business levels are softer. So any business is pretty much good business. Oh, that's a very interesting thought. You know, we have to reopen. We have to reopen the hotel. And there's an avalanche of weddings out there that have been deferred. And these people want to get married, it means it's a natural thing. We have one member that she can hardly wait. And her family, you know, hundreds of people, they can hardly wait. They're one of those telephone calls you're talking about. And so there's a lot of them out there.  Even if you can't fill the rooms, you've got to fill the ballrooms, right? Yeah, you know, I think it's going to be really interesting how the hotels handle that, right?  And a lot of times you have the staff already working. So but with a lot of these hotels without meetings, without any other banquet or catered events, most of their catering, their banquet, their culinary staff are still on furlough.  So it's going to be interesting to see somebody's, how these hotels react to that.  But if you have to bring a team back just for a four-hour shift or a six-hour shift to handle a wedding that you may not make that much money on it, you know, will they actually want to do it? Or will they, you know, will they regret it and say, hey, we're not open for that business yet? Yeah, well, I mean, this goes to the changes that might result from COVID. For example, if I was working here, if I was working in a hotel before as part of a team that was regularly available for weddings, and there have been essentially no weddings for the past year, now we're uncertain about exactly when and what degree we're going to have weddings.  And when we need you to come down, and it won't be every day, every moment, we'll call you and we'll make a, we'll make a deal for that, for that wedding. Isn't that the future more than it was before? I think my, maybe possibly there's, I think a lot of people pivoting, right? So it's what makes business sense, like you said, without being able to predict when weddings were going to come back or what degree they're going to come back to. And then to the point we discussed earlier, like how long is it going to last? Is there going to be another shutdown? You know, there's, it's really unpredictable. So I think there are a lot of people looking to come up with creative solutions to manage labor and things like that. As you mentioned, it's a huge, a huge change from what it was, whereas we had constant weddings, as John had mentioned, you know, 400 events a year, we had a full team. But with weddings, it's kind of something that you do need constant because you're still in constant contact besides event days, you've got lead-up calls every day. Jill can attest to this, so she gets the money every day. You kind of need that support 24-7. So I do expect catering departments and things to fill back in at the hotels. There's just so many behind the scenes things that need to happen besides wedding days, as far as contractors and vendors coming back and managing their labor. For example, at Now With Excel, we had 150 employees at the end of the shutdown. We've just started to reopen and it was down to like 15, you know, on Island here and then a small team on Maui. So that shows you how many people were affected by this. And then, of course, it's now trying to ramp up and predict when is it going to boom. I can attest that my phone has been going absolutely crazy. For Excel, we sell tense events and event items. So of course, with the outdoor, people are pivoting their ideas and those that have the small ones reserved in ballrooms are moving out so that they can allow more people at the weddings. So it's just everything changing, kind of unpredictable. I don't think the whole business community has the same issue. But I think it's more accentuated with this because there's so many emotional strings attached.  We're still going to have to have our skeleton staff and the hiring contract workers because, you know, we've pivoted so many times with the date that all these weddings that we're having this year coming up, they're all paid for last year. So it's like, we still have all the expenses now. But, you know, all the money came in last year and we kept promising our clients no matter when this goes forward, we'll move the date. But we couldn't make any promises and we still can't like, you know, we can say, this is what's happening now. But we're, you know, we're all in this together, basically. But you can manage it to some extent. You know, John and I did a show a couple of weeks ago and one of the things we discussed about this is, is branding for safety. Right. And, you know, there are 27 things you can advertise to demonstrate that your operation is safe. And the restaurants are in the same ballpark. They also have the brand for safety. And when you can do that, you know, then, then you're going to have more customers because there'll be people who'll be less reserved about coming back. So, you know, I think part of this for the hotels and for the wedding organizations, so to speak, is to, is to bring people in who would otherwise be afraid. You know, whatever the number of people permitted is, you know, you want them to, yeah, your clientele are really the attendees. It's not, it's not just, you know, the pride improvement of families. You don't have to appeal to the people who might come or not. And you have to prove to them that this is safe.  So how do you do that? How do you do that? You know, this would help in reopening, wouldn't it? If you brand it for safety, what would you do here, the brand for safety? So it's just following the guidelines. And there's actually a fun kind of cheat sheet that the three has made. So there was an event team kind of working event coalition, working to bring back events and demonstrating that there are these professionals that have this knowledge, right? And that we can execute safely. This is what we do for a living. So that was one of the points in allowing weddings and events to come back. Conferences are cleared as well, but it is with the six foot social distancing. So keeping people distance, enforcing masks, having adequate or as much as possible the sanitation, right? Having the dispensers and things for hand washing and for sanitizer, wiping common touch surfaces. How about requiring proof of a vaccine? That's, yeah, I think something that may come about too as we see it popping up right now in the news, right? With travel and things considering that. So it's also not only the attendees though, what I worry for the bigger things like corporate meetings and stuff is, it's the host having to be comfortable and knowing that they can bring their people and promise safety, right? So like you said, it's demonstrating that and thinking through these things and it's definitely doable. You know, anyway, if we can come to a mall or anything like that, we can definitely execute safe meetings and events, right? So what about you, what would you add to that?  There's not a lot of dancing allowed. And if there is up and about wearing masks, but I just think that once we start the ball rolling, we're going to be able to tweak it as we go and see what needs to be made, the changes that need to be made and new rules. And I think that's, you know, the key is, is that everybody follows the rules, right? So people are out there and they just do whatever they want and they don't follow these guidelines. They're going to ruin it for the rest of us. So I think that's what we're kind of working with, with all of our vendors. Well, that would be the worst case analysis, wouldn't it?  Oh, that would be awful. And so whatever you do, you have to prevent that. You know, one of the things, John, that's come up in this discussion is about the deposits. Because, I mean, as in the case of a staff member who's getting married, she was very organized and she, you know, she was, she's a business woman. And so she was arranging things, every little detail, you know, attention to detail. That's what weddings are about, isn't it? It's kind of like an opera, attention to every single detail. And that's the payload. That's the mark of excellence. But to do that and to organize it the right way, you've got to make deposits. And, you know, in the case of this one staff member, she had a lot of deposits out there. And I'm not sure how it all worked out. But, you know, some organizations would like to give you your money back. Some organizations would like to hold on to your money for, you know, until it's, until it's soup later. And some organizations are going to fail. And that, and that money is gone. No refund. So what are your thoughts about that, John? No, good. Excellent point, Jay. You know, that, that is a, you know, that, that, that's really interesting how some companies and individual businesses reacted to that, right? So it seemed like a lot of the bigger companies, at first, whether it was corporate meetings or weddings or other special events, they didn't want you to cancel. Because, you know, as we talked a little bit earlier, nobody knew whether this shutdown was going to last one month, two months, three months, six months. I mean, no one expected it was going to last as long as it did. So people were saying, okay, we're not going to let you cancel. If you cancel, there's going to be X amount percent that will retain as a penalty. But if you just rebook, so if you had your wedding in April, if you were able to rebook it in June, then there would be no penalty. Where some companies came right out front and said, hey, we understand the concern. And you know what, we'll refund you 100% of your money.  So from my perspective, it was really interesting to see how the different big companies, small companies, facilities like Sunset Ranch, like Turtle Bay, like Hilton, like Hyatt, not just locally, but across the country, handled the deposit, refund, rebooking situation. And it was really interesting. I mean, there were definitely some concerns. So again, while the hotel was closed, I was fielding a lot of these requests about, you know, people who had put significant amount of money down for deposit. And so we took a real clear stance at Turtle Bay, saying that if you clearly wanted to cancel, we didn't want you to have to worry about whether you would get your deposit or not. Because we understand if we were in your same situation, we would not want to be held hostage, knowing that I had to rebook in another three months or six months. So we clearly said if you know you want to cancel, then just let us know in writing and we'll get your full refund back as soon as possible.  We'll hold your deposit and then when it's safe to rebook, then we'll rebook it. But you're right, Jay, that has been a really interesting dynamic in how different companies have reacted to that. And some have created lifelong customers for the future and some have created situations where customers might say, hey, I'll never do anything with your company again because you charge me a 50 percent penalty on my deposit when I had no recourse and it was completely out of my control. Yeah, that really touches an important point and that is this is an opportunity to have an engagement with your customers that will define their feeling about you for the rest of their lives. If you do it right and it doesn't have to be ridiculous, do it fairly. You will have them forever. If you do it unfairly or as you say, put a penalty on it, they're gone. They'll never come back to you and they'll be talking stink forever about you. So it's really an important, important issue and that goes for the wedding organizations too. How do you handle, how have you handled this issue about deposits, Jill? It was very difficult when, you know, we had moved several of the weddings and we're event planners, right? So we start planning from the very beginning. It's not like they paid for something that's going to be down the line. So we had a hard time because when our clients come in, we already tell them all of our deposits, no matter what the situation, are non-refundable. We make that very clear with them. So most of our clients were very understanding. It really folded our heartstrings like when some of them had to cancel and they said, you know, we understand this is non-refundable. But, you know, I'm a small company. If I have to give back 50 deposits that are at like $1,500 each, I'm out of business because I don't have any more business coming in. So it's not like I can refund it. So we just really were understanding with our clients. We said, listen, we will roll, we will ride this out with you even if you come back to us and say, okay, our company or our venue is not reopening. So we're going to move it to this place or we're going to get married in two years and we're going to do our ceremony first. Can you make the Brottable K and then do our reception flowers into the next two years? We basically bent over backwards as far as whatever we could do to help them. And I would say 95% of our clients were very, very understanding about that. 5% were not. But, you know, I think a lot of my small companies like myself and a lot of others just have to stand their ground on that. Well, you know, it goes to a point about the industry is the husband and the wife and the families and the attendees, they all want to feel there's love in the air. And that's why you want to show some love. And you can show it in various ways, even ways that are essentially business-like but also have love. And if you don't have that, if you have a hard-nosed kind of unfair, unpopular solution, it really crushes their whole experience as, you know, as participants in a wedding. You'll always remember that. And I'm going to tell you my own stories, but I think that everybody has a story either good or bad about how things went. So Terry, what would you add about deposits? Anything?  We all understand, as John mentioned, a lot of the bigger companies were able to. And I think if you're able to, you know, great, we understand that this is already a hard situation for them. But to Jill's point, there's so many smaller companies that some that just don't even have the money to give back at that point, right? If you made your deposit almost a year ago, that money's been invested already or spent. So there was a lot who I know really struggled with it, you know, going back and forth with their clients and just having to stick to that guideline. Most I think were understanding, as Jill said, we all know this is a totally unexpected situation. So I have a small company as well, which luckily I didn't have that many, you know, bookings, so we were able to refund or move. I have a lot that have just moved their event. So we just kind of been staying, playing the way to game, like Jill said, and just moving them as they go. You think that people's perception of the whole experience will have changed over this year? I mean, I keep looking for that, because our lives have changed. My life anyway, has changed a lot in my daily existence has changed. It just has. And my way of thinking, my way of dealing with people, all that. And so I'm always looking for what kind of profound changes are, have we learned about it? Have we experienced that change the way we're going to do things in the future? Do you think people's view of weddings will change, aren't changing? I think, I think Jill will be great feedback on this, but my short note on it is, I think they are going to cherish it more. For me, that's what it's meant for me, is to look at, really appreciating the moments that you have with your loved ones. My family is based in New Zealand, New Zealand and Australia. Been able to see my family. You know, I have family that's been ill. We've had funerals. Nobody can go to, and I think that's impacted a lot of people. So it's really taking advantage, like have I, do I have the opportunity to visit and go to a wedding now? Definitely jumping on it, you know, because you don't know when the next time is that you'll see your loved ones. Yeah. Well, to see them with a mask on is better than not. You can quote me on this. It's better than not to see them at all. Jill, you already said you know a lot about this. What is your thought? Yeah. A bride is a bride is a bride, no matter what time it is, you know. So I actually have a bride that just walked into love and honesty right now. She's going to get married center court here on Saturday at Woodward Mall.   I know we talked about Zoom, but you know, you can't see the little details of their shoes on Zoom. So it's just all those details coming together. So I think it has not stopped people from being excited to plan. It is sad in some of our clients because, you know, when they were going to get married last year, they had their grandmother that was going to attend. But now maybe necessarily not. So there are a lot of different things that are changing up where they're making sure that they have the remembrance table and pictures up of their family members that could have been here. But I have not seen any changes with how these brides are just so excited that, you know, we're finally opening and we're ready to go no matter what level it is. It's hope. It gives everyone hope. I think it reminds us, this all reminds us, and it plays well in the context of this discussion, that, you know, birth, marriage, death, and other cultural holidays, but mainly those define our culture, define our community, define our lives. And we can't live without them. We can't give up those very special moments in life. And we have missed those things for the past year. And as we return, we return with a with a sense of familiarity to the basic cortisone's life on the planet. And so I expect you guys should probably go out and hire a lot of staff right now. Just in case, okay? Yeah, dropping out. And John, I want to I want to talk to you about the the whole down as a hotel consultant, been in the hotel industry for a lifetime. And, you know, from a planning point of view, I'm a hotel, and I, and I talked to you and we try to figure out how we're going to handle this. It's not, it's not a done deal yet, because we have the possibility of surges and variants and issues about travel. It's not over at all. There's so many moving moving parts. I'm reminded of the Holly Colani and closed up last year, and they said, we are going, we're going to do a renovation. We've been waiting for the opportunity. Now we're going to spend a year or more. This renovation, we're going to open until the summer of this year, they said, right? The summer of this year sometime. Was that a good idea? And what kind of planning goes around that renovation versus trying to reopen? You know, the whole thing about the timeline, when are people ready to come back? When is the wedding industry ready to start up? What would be your advice, if you can formulate advice, you know, within a sea of unknown variables? Well, I don't know that I'm qualified to give any advice, but I'll share my opinions and thoughts.  And I think they looked at it, you know, they saw what was happening in January, February of 2020, things got really bad in the end of March, the island shut down, you had to surge. And I think at one point, you know, it was touch and go, anyway, I can speak for Turtle Bay, that they were, you know, do we open?  Does it look like our source market, our major market being North America might have an opportunity to come back? At the same time, I know that Turtle Bay was going through a major renovation. So how was that affecting contractors? How was it affecting the funds that were going to be able to be provided to do the renovations in the timeline that they wanted? So, you know, the Holly Colani was a little bit different. They knew that they had this major renovation. They know that the majority of their customers were from Japan. So I think they made the best decision saying that maybe that market is not going to come back for a while. Let's shut down. You know, we don't have that many North American customers. Let's just shut down and do as much work as we possibly can. And hopefully the market will come back by June or July. Now, it doesn't look like the Japan market is going to come back at that time. It may be the last quarter of 2020, or it could be the first quarter of 2021, or it could be the first quarter of 2022. But with Turtle Bay, with the North American customer being their number one source market, I think they're primed for a great reopening sometime in July. Obviously pending when the renovations are done. But yeah, it's been an interesting situation for its hotels. As we talked earlier, Jay, a couple of weeks ago, there are some hotel owners and management companies that decided to stay open during the entire time. For example, some of the smaller ones like the Surf Jack never closed. Some of the, I think the Outrigger Waikiki never closed. The Laylow, the Marriott Autograph Collection on Cugio Avenue, I think the Hilton Garden Inn never closed. So some of those hotels, they suffered through the worst times in April, May, and then the summer, when literally the occupancy might have been 5% or 10%. And most of that might have been some of the existing airline crews still flying cargo flights back and forth. And then all the incoming medical personnel, the nurses and the doctors that were coming in to support the medical facilities here. So without that business and then other government business and some corporate business that still had to take place, they would have suffered. But on the other hand, now that business is starting to ramp up, they may have a leg up because they've already been operating lean and mean. They're starting to add on people little by little. Yeah, so it's an interesting situation. In every hotel, the situation is different because obviously all the owners are different. They have economic impact on that particular owner. And then you've got the difference between a union hotel and a non-union hotel.  And then when the front desk gets busy, he or she can spend a couple of hours at the front desk and check gets in.  So I think for the union hotel, which are most of the major and larger hotels on the islands, they've had to do a lot more strategizing and thinking about how do we reopen and when we do reopen, how much staff do we bring back? Well, boy, I tell you, every time you look, it's more complex. And every time you look, it seems to be a moving target. And I hope you guys, Jill and Thierry, were taking notes from when John was speaking. Because although that doesn't necessarily relate to the local wedding market, it certainly speaks to the visiting wedding market. Very complex, very important to the state. You're all very important to the state. And through you guys, there are hundreds of thousands of people affected by this industry and by hospitality in general. I wish you all the best of luck. Thank you very much for coming on, Jill and Thierry. And John, thank you for setting this up. It's wonderful to be able to have this kind of discussion. It's so timely, so talkative. So say goodbye to the guest, John. Hello, hi, everybody.