It's a very difficult topic. We're talking about neutral subjects. I think we should have like weekends. It's a good road. If you were better than me, you could have been better. Yes, we had that. So I think we have two waves of press. We have two waves of press. Hold our fire. It was a good day. It was a good day. We did it. In the United States, it was a good day. We didn't hear about a week of tremendous impressions of the United States. It seems that one knows it all, but when one actually arrives, one understands how great a country is just in a purely physical way. The most important thing about a country is people. And that part of the city don't have a language. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. Most political prisoners have now been free in the Soviet Union, and this was partly your doing as well. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. And there are only individual political prisoners left. However, one of them is Vasily Milanov, who at the time that I was sent to Gorky protested against this and was imprisoned because of this. And I find it very ironic that here I am even free to travel to the United States, and he is still in prison there. So I decided the first thing I would do when coming here would be to mention this fact. There is another one, Mikhail Kukabakov, who has been in prison since 1970 because he refused to bear false witness against the foreign diplomat. Mr. President, you're hearing all this. Do you feel that human rights, then, are still in irisance in U.S.-Soviet relations? Yes. It's completely eliminated, this type of political prisoner. We have had great success, and the General Secretary has been more cooperative than any Soviet leader before him, and I assume that we have these names that have been mentioned here. Do you feel that all the remaining political prisoners will be released, as some have said? Well, soon that statement has been made and now we can only wait to see. Mr. President, do you remember a breakthrough on the TLO so far as you are concerned, so far as accepting Israel? Well, I only know this thing, that there has been an indication that they are willing to abide by 242 and hope it's true because then that would mean some progress, although I think there are many problems yet to be solved. Thank you very much. I think there will be an international conference. We have to go. Thank you. I'll wait for something. We've got to go. Thanks, Mr. President. I'm still not sure that that is the answer. Thank you. Thank you. Can you point those out? Good. Thank you. Thank you. Please take it down. And I'm excited about the remark made by the late President of the United States. If my helpers don't exist, I'm going to tell you exactly what the President of Johnson said today. Mr. President, Chief, I'm sorry. I had one appointment with an older gentleman. Don't worry about that.  Mr. President, looks like it was good for you. Glad to see you. Mr. President, nice to see you. Nice to see you. You look terrific.  You know about Johnson? Yes. Good to see you. Good to see you. You look terrific. Alan Martin. How are you? Good to see you. Nice to see you. Yeah. Nice to see you. You know what I mean. Nice to see you. Hello there. I think to the credit, first of all, I think you want to have that Dwayne and Chief. Okay. Okay. Sure. Thank you, Mr. President. Just over. Thank you. You got your book, Dwayne? I've got the book. Absolutely. Did you have one? Yes, I did. I'm going to get another one. I'm going to present it now. I'm going to present it now. I'm going to present it now. Mr. President, one of the projects that Jack Myers has brought for us, a lot of his experience in Time Magazine put into this, is to form a society that will receive every year three magazines with all the material about the Constitution. This is the first edition, and this is for you. And this is going to go on, we hope, for petrol forever. We're forming a society. Thank you very much. And we're very much inspired by one bit of good news that came with some bad news. The election was good news, but there were only 50% of the people voted in this country. Yes, I know. We think your program here for this constitutional program is a way to inspire enough interest in this country to get that voting level up before we lose some of our democracy. Well, I think you're right. I've had some worries that maybe, but with our local elections and state elections, and then congressional every two years, that maybe we're just overperforming for the country. Too many of them. Yeah. They can't rise to that kind of emotional thing that an election year calls for. Sure. And I've wondered if maybe it hadn't, we shouldn't be looking at the congressional thing for one thing and deciding whether there should be two or four years. Yes. Maybe Margaret Thatcher can come up with some ideas. Last six weeks over there. I'm very honored and pleased to have this.  I know we're pressed for time here because I guess we're far behind, but can I tell you an interesting little thing, at least it was interesting to me about the Constitution. Yeah. We gave a dinner in the White House for the Crown Prince and Princess of Japan, and she was there, my right at our table and the conversation had kind of begun around our table and it was on such a thing as this. And I made the statement that I had read a lot of constitutions in other countries.  This tiny thing, three little words that explains the whole difference between our Constitution and the others. And I told them, I said it's we the people. All those other constitutions are documents in which the government tells the people what they can do. Yeah. Ours, we the people, tell the government what it can do. And a quiet little voice behind me said ours does too now. And I turned and looked and it was the Crown Princess. And I said, what were you saying? She said now, our Constitution is we the people. Since the war, they've evidently changed their Constitution. Like ours, there is another Constitution. Roscoe Pound was having the message to hold an act of the Congress of their diets on Constitution. Ours was implied until John Marshall came in. Right now, everyone? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Well, I thank you all for this. I'm very proud to have you. Fire was unbearable. I'll have to fight with myself as to whether it will let me see into the Presidential Library or whatever it is. We'll get you another one. I'll get you another one. One on one out. I'm also going to make you an honorary member of the society. We'll have one on one out there. We're now ten minutes late. Good to see you, sir. Thank you. Very good to see you. Good to see you. I'm going to see your friend Gorbachev when he's here. Who you are? The message already. We're going to talk about trade programs. Yes. So this is my colleague. Well, Mr. President, you couldn't remember, but I had to bring an honorary degree together with you at Notre Dame a hundred years ago. Yes. Well, it is good to see you. We're very happy to be here. After these eight glorious years, you couldn't lose without getting the blessings of Jerusalem. Well, good to make that. Good to see you. Yes. Hi. Well, I just want to congratulate you on behalf of all Americans for all that you've done in your efforts with regard to the various communities in Jerusalem and keeping open the various religious shrines as well as preserving the historic sites. We did something about this, but we were always encouraged by the friendship of the United States about all your regard for our country, our people, our city. I brought your car a map of Jerusalem which is very special for us. Every man must think that this city is the center of the world, but I have a document. This is a map of about 1560, six, seven centuries after Columbus. And here is the map. Well, it's just I had the other day the visit of for the thousand years of the Russian church, of some Russian church dignitaries who came to Jerusalem and they were very unhappy about the Russian not being mentioned. Well, I mean it is mentioned, but this is a little embarrassing at the moment. But here is America. America, yes, for that time it wasn't so important as it is today. Can we hold it up for the future? I will. But you have navigated the free world so well, Mr. President. Well, thank you. Well, thank you and I am very pleased and proud to have this very, very kind of you to treasure that. Well, you have so many things to treasure, but the most things you have to treasure are your great achievements and your great memories of President Thomas. Good to see you. Thank you. Good to be here. Yes, I am. Well, yes, good to see you. Thank you. Good to see you again. I am very pleased to see you. Thank you. Well, what is your name? Good to see you. Good. Martin, say hello. Well, give her our best. Thank you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Thank you, sir. Mr. President. Say, you really took McComb County for the first time. Thank you. Well, I really enjoyed it. That was great. Yeah, what marvelous. And they gave you huge vote support. Good order. I hope you'll do that dinner on Los Angeles. I won't be able to answer that for a while until... Mr. President? Buck Reinhardt, Mayor of Columbus. Mr. President, I have a brief report for you, sir. In 1982, there were 42,000 partnerships in education in this country. In 1983, you issued your proclamation of the year of partnerships in education. Coincidentally, you are one of the advisors on private sectors in the United States. You are one of the advisors on private sector initiatives that year, had its first national symposium on partnerships in education. That was a clearinghouse to exchange successful programs and ideas which have worked in one city with people who wanted to start them in other cities throughout the country. I'm pleased to say that since that time, there's been a very significant growth as you see in partnerships in education. I'm pleased to say that the interest that occurred in having our fifth national symposium compared to the 200 we had the first year we've got over a thousand people coming to this symposium. From all over the country, we also, by the way, have 30 people from Britain. When you're having dinner with Margaret Thatcher this evening, we'll be having dinner with 30 business leaders who have had a lot in our private sector initiatives who are being over there who will be attending the national symposium. To establish the National Association of Partners in Education combining with 2 million volunteers in the National School Volunteer Program to establish this new organization to further spread the word. In doing this, we're going to be using a report which the Department of Education has now prepared, and this survey shows the starting point for, if I may, a new beginning to go forward with 140,000 partnerships we have now, and Under Secretary Wright has that report for you, sir. Well, Mr. President, on behalf of the Department of Education, we're proud that you're reporting that you could be proud of it for a long time because that chart indicates that there have been over a 350% increase in partnerships and education through the private sector initiative that you created with the leader of our great land. This report points out that the American School did everybody's business and it is said that that 140,000 partnerships touched the lives of over 9,000 young people and we are proud of that. We want you to receive this report and be proud of your accomplishments. I'm very proud of your work and your accomplishments. This is just one thing I appreciate everything you've done and continue to do. We congratulate you for creating your initiatives in 1983 and all the good that you've done for our country, areas outside of education, but all facets of life. Well, thank you and you were remarked about the 33 years coming. I have to tell you that, back quite early in our region, it has spread now two years ago after citizens because you were wanting to find out how we did it and the more recently the similar meeting and the host were the Italian private sector initiative group with all their plans. One of their first plans was an American park in Variety, Venice. Oh my God, I think Susan wants to you're right here in front of the desk I think maybe if they split apart then we'll be fine. I'm starting off the next Spread out a little so you won't be covered. Are you with me? What do you need, Susan? I'm here. You okay? I have to move one. When you started it, I haven't heard this story for a long time. One of my first activists groups of stars would be some gathering and they would want a picture of them together and everybody's kind of hanging toward the middle of the group except Frederick March a great star he'd make his way right over there to the end of the line being a beginner in the business I asked him, I said why do you do that you're a big star and he said no one needs the entire caption but they all begin reading going on for quite some time but I'm pleased to be late and welcome all of you here to this first meeting of the advisory committee presidential libraries I thank you Don Wilson for creating this important group who buys the government on issues of interest for presidential libraries as you've just heard plans will well underway for my presidential library and I'm looking forward officially to breaking down on this coming Monday great joy I say in California I know that some of you in this room a bit of assistance in the planning of that library and I'd like to thank you all for all that you have been doing well thank you Mr. President we are certainly honored to be able to come join us I think this is a very dedicated group of long involvement I think that the medium have worked through the foundation on your library and I think this is a very important mechanism that we can continue to use involve libraries together and build a strong base so again thank you so much for taking time to come talk to us well I know some people may think that you think of these as kind of a monument or something I don't feel that way I think it's a part of the history that makes possible a preservation of the history in a sort of a different level in a personal way that way so there is some real merit in having them I think that's the important part of the National Archives in terms of maintaining that very important aspect of history through the public private cooperation we can make it extremely viable I think I'm supposed to extend one of these pictures I think it's going to be very good of course excuse me sir I want you to take care of this thank you very much David Eisenhower Marty Allen Caroline Kennedy Thank you. The President of the Franklin Residence Library. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Very well. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hello. This is our Mr. Chapters. Hello. Thank you. Good to see you. Hello. This is Richard there. We have the capital here. The conversations are down for a few minutes. I think a wave of press is coming up here, photographers and so forth. I understand correctly. I've never found a head of state, Mr. President, who minded having their picture taken. See what they think of us?


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Good afternoon, folks. Steve Rhodes, coming to you live from the shores of sunny Delray Beach, Florida. With your 2 p.m. update and currently it is a sea of red. There's only two places to hide. And those two places to hide are in the good old U.S. dollar. U.S. dollar index up one point and seven ticks out here trading out a 104.95, taking out a TD nine count top, suggesting a run and A to B equal CD that would take us up into the 109-ish area out there. 30-year treasury is also trading higher by one full point. That's a way to get into the U.S. dollar as well. The danger there is, one of the real moves into the U.S. dollar are when there are threats of war, when there's anticipated war as sovereign entities manipulate their portfolios around, change their portfolios around. My concern is that that's really what this message is here longer term. But in the meantime, let's go take a look at what the markets are doing. We'll do that by taking a look at our indices out here. If you give me a moment, we'll change over to those. So everything, a sea of red. And let's try to get a feel for where price might be headed to if we can. Next, I don't know that I have it. You know what, to answer that question, I'm going to go to a different set of charts out here. So give me a moment. We're going back to the black screens because I do have the A to B equal CD pattern for the indices out here. So let's pull those up. I don't recall if I shared this with you yesterday or not. So you've got your primary indices. You've got your Dow in the upper left hand corner. It's likely price target is at the 3812 level. That's the one to one larger A to B equal CD to the downside. In the case of the S&P 500, it surpassed the one to one level. Its next price projection level would take us to 3741. In the case of NASDAQ 100, it's approaching this one to one level. That would be at 11, 5, 20. Now, even those, these are projection levels. It does not mean that that's where a bottom will form. The way that you should or could trade the A to B equal CD patterns, wait for confirmation that the pattern has completed. And for that, I look to bullish reversal candles. In the case of the Russell 2000, its next price target is in the 1585 level. In the case of the Summys, their one to one take us down to, well, we've got a couple of different patterns. So what is actually being hit as we speak right now? It's at 2753. If that fails to hold price, 2595 is its target. Folks, stay tuned. Your favorite polar bear, David Weitz up next. And Tom O'Brien will take us on home. Have a terrific Thursday. Thanks much for joining us.


Okay, so we're here with Miko Siebenen from Coiniverse. And Miko, you're gonna tell us a little bit about Coiniverse, the app, how it works. So first of all, can you tell me a little bit about your role and how the app kind of came about? Are you starting? Yeah, if I start about a little bit of history of the application itself, really it's kind of, we in Minto Finland have been studying different digital concepts for three or four years back now. And one of the things that really came up was that the coins has lots of content and it's like really interesting stories and information around them. And there still is no kind of application or real good service to present this type of information. And that's why we kind of decided to take the collecting to the digital age and launch an application where people could easily find the information from coins and kind of scan their coins and get easily to that kind of that big thing behind the stories that the coins carry. So that was kind of the launching point for the whole service. And the service was launched around one year ago in the World Monetary in 2021. So we've been around about a year now. And it seems that collectors have been picking us up quite nicely. It was a little bit slower in the beginning but we have now over 40,000 registered users and we're still growing quite rapidly. So it's really interesting to see that that they are kind of finding our work interesting and helping their hobby and collecting efforts. Okay. And kind of, I joined Minto Finland Coiniverse now last summer. Just kind of it was halfway through the first year's journey and kind of now being listening to the users and community and getting development ideas and we're still in kind of heavy, heavy development phase in that sense that we're adding new functions all the time and getting new features out. And now just before Christmas we actually launched version 2.0 of the service. So we introduced social features and that was kind of the heart in that application. We have developed, listened to the user community all the time and got some ideas and what they would like to have and been implementing those. And the social side has been one of the things that have been asked. And now we have kind of in the beginning of that bringing all of the social interaction to the collecting. And I think application is a great way to also enhance that and provide, provide a platform to have this interaction between users. Okay. So for someone that's completely new that haven't seen the app before, it's free, isn't it, to download? Yeah, it's completely free and no one only adds popping out. So it's a nice user experience as well. Excellent. And so if a coin collector, anyone watching this decides to download it, what does it kind of offer them? What can they do as soon as they get the app? All right, so first of all, it's available on Android and iOS. So those both platforms are supported. And really kind of the heart is the amount of coins and the possibility to kind of start digitalizing your own own collection. So basically the idea is that you can have the digital twin of your collection always with you. So you can check what you have and kind of brag about it also when you don't have the actual coins with you. So that's kind of the main thing really. So you can create different type of collections and also activate some ready templates if you want to start collecting, for example, two euros commemory coins and so on. So you can kind of have ready template and start marking which ones you have. And kind of we also revive with good achievements with different batches. So that's kind of interesting one. So you can always collect also this type of achievements in that sense. And I think one of the cool features has been and it's quite widely used as well as the scanning function. So if you happen to stumble upon a coin so you just scan it with your phone's camera and the application tells you what coin it is and then you can add it directly to your collection if you actually have that available. So it's quite neat. And I think that's also for the newer users quite interesting to kind of just see is this coin maybe first something or what is this about really and where is it from? So that's kind of interesting one. That's really great. That's fantastic. Okay. And would you say the app is mainly for collectors who specialize in modern coins like the two euro coins or is it open to collectors who might collect coins from last century or even further back in time? We do carry a little bit less than 80,000 coins at the moment. Database. So there are also more kind of older ones available but I think the main ones are from now the recent recent and the kind of circulation coins and coins from like 1900s, 1800s, 1900s and then by the recent more recent ones. But I was just checking yesterday so we do have also Roman Empire coins available and so on. So there are lots of things and then we're expanding the database all the time and also if you're missing something so users can send their coin information and we try to add also those coins to the database for everyone to enjoy. So that's kind of the idea to have the most white coin database available in the world. And that's what we're building together with also our member means. So that's a good source for the coin information and that's what we are especially this year concentrating on getting more coins and making service that way more fun for everyone. Yeah, okay. I was going to ask about the mints that are involved in Coiniverse because there's a growing number. So what do they kind of add to the app for users? Is it just a selection of the coins that they're offering at the moment? It's maybe a good start. We have now with us, we have the money parade from France. South Africa means Lithuania means Royal Spanish means Swiss means Switzerland and Münze Deutschland from Germany that are now members and of course, Minto Finland is providing the services as well. So really happy to get so many of the mints already on board and kind of the first thing really is to kind of also get them developing the service, getting their ideas to that service development and also their customers ideas. So I think that's kind of the main thing really to have kind of all the community involved not only the users, but also kind of the producers of the coins. So that's most important really. But then we get of course there in information from the coins and then we present now the new commemorative coins. They are selling and presenting to users. So those are available in Coiniverse also for purchases. And we have been discussing quite a lot what we could do together and then there are pretty good plans I think that would help also the users kind of giving maybe certain benefits of the new releases of coins and some pre-ordering are most likely possible in the future coming. So I think only kind of the imagination is the limit really, what there can be. And as I say, we really want to listen also of the user base and are more than happy to hear thoughts that the users have and try to get them to the service as soon as it's possible. Yeah, okay, brilliant. So you mentioned the development of the app and we're already onto the second version and there's quite a few kind of social aspects to it which is, that's great, that's part of collecting. So can you explain a bit more about the kind of the social aspects of the app and how people can kind of share their collections? Yeah, like I said, we just launched it before Christmas and we'll have kind of first phase in that sense, but really experimenting and now providing the possibility. But we're really kind of serious about security and confidence for and the privacy of the users. So at the moment, how we've done it so that if you want to, you're able to make your profile public for everyone to see and after you've done that, you can actually share the collections that you want to, one by one. So nothing kind of goes public without your knowledge, explicit will, so you're in control of everything that you share really. So starting with the profile and then with the collections that you share and then we're just about to launch also that you can follow the users and kind of get the information of what they're doing, what if they're sharing your collections and what they're liking. And kind of the idea really is to kind of show and give also what a new collector of ideas, what they could collect and what type of points people are collecting and kind of enhancing the hobby in that way as well. And there are kind of ideas, maybe adding at later stage discussions or maybe even trading of the coins in the service but that is something I think it's really part of the social aspect as well. But they are not yet online, but in the drawing board in any way. So that's kind of, and I've been really pleased how people have kind of taken off with the social side as well. So we have quite many collections already public and it's growing double digit numbers at the moment. And they're really nice to see what people are collecting. And of course then we can kind of success this based on your own preferences and your own collections also that maybe you should follow this user to have the same type of interest and collections that you have. Yeah, that's good. Kind of bringing people together like that. Yeah, fantastic. Okay, it sounds great. So the reaction to the app so far, you'd say has been very positive? Yes, yes, I'd say and we studied user and keep on studying also in the future. And the recent service we did was 85% of the users was telling that the app is supporting their hobby good or they're very good. So I think we have kind of found some kind of sweet spot in that sense. So it's really nice to see that we can help users to kind of start and enhance their collection. So it's really, it's really great to see. Okay, that's brilliant. So just finally, can you tell us how, you know, obviously we can go to the app store or the Android store. Is there a website we can look at or anything else just to check out the app? Yeah, if you want to kind of get the first first first impressions of Coiniverse.app is the website that we currently, so there's kind of kind of explaining what it is there's some blocks explaining what we're about, who we are partnering with and of course there's links to then the stores itself. But really, I guess the best way is to just download the app and the registration is really easy. You can do it by Facebook or your Google account or of course with the old fashioned way with your password and so on. So it's, but it is really easy. So I really think the best way is just to download it from people play or app store and have a look and play around with them and see if it fits your needs. Excellent. Okay, well, thank you so much for your time today. I'm sure we're gonna go and look at the app straight away.  Yeah, that would be great. So yeah, thank you so much for your time and we'll speak again soon. Okay, thank you, Matt. All right, cheers. Bye. Bye-bye.


Well thank you all for coming. We appreciate it. It sounds like an interesting program. Hugh came in one day and presented his book, and Mr. Chetka said if we owned it, which we didn't, unfortunately, so what we do now, and he's offered to do this program and talk about his book and the history of Portland that probably a lot of people don't know about. So anyway, I won't take up any more time. Mr. Hugh McLean. I thought the topic of today's talk is a book I wrote a few years ago, and I wrote it from 4th Floor 245 Commercial Street. You might recognize some of the establishments. It doesn't change in 200 years. That was in 1892, and you may recognize some of the places. Dewey's is on the corner there, Union Street and Commercial Street, and this was an excellent place to write this book, Our Main History, because I thought it was part of the history just being in there, as I do in this facility here, which predated the state of Maine, I understand. In 1820, Maine became a state. In this organization, the Maine Charitable Mechanical Association is one of the oldest and longest historically speaking buildings and institutions in the state of Maine, and you can see from the pictures behind me an incredibly important facility it was then. We forget about the movers and shakers. We're often these folks here. There were the architects and designers and engineers and fabricators of equipment and buildings, and really building this great city, which is here today. It's just incredible. You may have found the stairs sort of narrow coming up, and the elevator sort of narrow, but it's basically kept the original facility the way it was, and I understand that upstairs is even more remarkable. Isn't that true, Pat? It is, too. And that was the major hall and that kind of thing, and out front is one of the major halls. I asked Pat, are there going to be enough chairs? Of course, there are probably for today, but she said, no problem. If a bunch of people come in, we'll get them from neighbors and this kind of thing. It was kind of nice. She said these people will step up and help her with that, so I just didn't worry about it anymore. I thought I'd introduce my wife Barbara, who is acknowledged in the book in the beginning. Introduced Harry Pringle, I already have, our managing partner of our firm of Drummond Woodson, otherwise known as Drummond Woodson and McMahon, and I would thanks also to all the members of my firm who helped me with the providing facilities, the capacity through internet research, and so forth. They dig into basically 200 years of main law, going back that far and bringing it up. I could not have done it without the firm's help, and I appreciate it, and this is why I acknowledged Dick and Harry in the book and could not have been done without them. It could not have been done also without the encouragement of Frank Coffin, the late and great Frank Coffin, who was a chief judge of the First Circuit Court of Appeals for the U.S. Court of Appeals, and lived in South Portland. He had a great interest in this history and told me that I had a duty. Now that I've written it, he says, you have to get it out there and not just the lawyers. Make sure you get it out there to historians, anybody that's interested in history, because you've got 200 years of social history here, told through these court decisions, no one has ever done it before, and you've brought this all to life. So this maybe feel like I'd actually accomplished something as I got to the end of it, because you get a perspective. It gets kind of like you're grinding away, writing something up on the computer, and all of a sudden this is a great judge. He's probably regarded as one of the great judges of the 20th century, and certainly in the federal judiciary, and Judge McCusek, who also signed on to the back of this, these were my great encouragers. And if you're going to write anything and do anything, I find you really need to have encouragers. So anybody that started out to do something now, I really encourage them, do it, because it's not going to be all the time to do it, and you may as well just get it done, and you have to encourage them. And Dick was a great help. Dick said, this is going to be a classic. All I had to hear is the word classic, I know that I'd done something. Thank you, Dick. Let's hope so, or not. So thank you all. As you can see, this picture hasn't changed much at all. That's not me, by the way, walking across there. That's some poor soul probably going back to his shop to do something. But it might have been me if I was back then. I can't say enough about the firm, and Judge Coffin and Judge McCusek, they're just incredible what they've done. I was almost at the point of getting in shape to show it to Judge McCusek, and he showed it to me, he said, we should definitely do this. So what do you need other than that? And the point was no one had done it before. This is a first, and it's a, it turned out to be my contribution to the community, and to the greater Portland, and hopefully beyond. What have I done here in this book? I started out, as I was getting ready to retire, I was coming down to the end of, I, getting down to the end of my time with the firm, and I was going to be retiring, and I had a little extra time, and I thought I would go back and look at the, look at the cases. Beginning with the earliest days of Maine in 1820, when Maine became a state, a separate state from Massachusetts in 1820, and go back to the first cases, and I pulled the book off the shelf, and it was there, dust covered, blew it off, and started reading from page one right on through. And I looked at the cases, and pretty soon I realized I better get some notes here. I started taking notes. I got a big folder, you know, the three-ring deals that have large clamps on them. I put the cases in there, summaries of my work, and pretty soon I had about 50 different categories, topics of law, from everything from the rights of women, to the rights of the poor, to the rights of corporations, to the rights of the railroad, and all of this in there, I had all of these topics, and then I slotted my summaries of these cases in there, and it took an awful long time. I would bring the books home to a day and try to read them at night. I think you may remember, my wife I'm sure remembers this, I'd be sitting there, and what are you doing reading books again, and I would be reading these old law books, and I found these old cases, and I found these are interesting. They may be about horses, and they may be about this and that, but the same themes that we deal with today are all in those early cases, and we've come out a little bit different in the way we look at these things, but they were all there, and I got this whole body of law, and fortunately one of my partners came in and said, what are you doing? I said, well, I'm almost up to 100 years. He says, why don't you stop there? I said, I think I will. I was getting tired, so I stopped at 100 years, but then of course, law being what it is, you don't want to leave a false impression. So if any of the cases I had referred to in the book, in the next 100 years had changed, been overruled, and so forth, I had updated it. And I did that in the book, so it says a ramble through the early years of main law, 1820 to 1920, but in fact, it's pretty much up to date, generally speaking, in terms of coming into the end of the 20th century. So that's the background on that. Some of the topics I covered in there were poppers. That jumped out at me immediately. The poor people, the poppers, the indigent, who were treated like they were nobody really. They were just told to, I was thinking the relevancy of that one today, when you see the people walking around in these intersections and begging for money. It's certainly timely even today that people that don't have money have to find money somewhere. And with the way the main court treated those folks back then, it's covered in here. Railroad accidents, of course, railroads, huge. First it was animals and agriculture, and then you come into the middle of the 19th century, all of a sudden you almost feel the trains coming. And I have several train pictures in the back of this book. I brought a few extra copies if anybody wants one. The train coming in was just an amazing thing coming into a community. It'd be like having a jet aircraft building plant come in, or like in Seattle, having a Boeing plant right here in Augusta. And all of a sudden you see airplanes that are as high as 10 stories high coming into your community. These were trains coming in that were three stories high. An engineer would be up somewhere above the ceiling. These were massive engines and massive works that people had prepared to really develop and industrialize the country. And they took over wherever they were. They were the, and still are, really major contributors to the economy. Public schools, I get into that because I spent a lot of my career representing school districts and that kind of thing. And there's cases in here about corporal punishment which used to be allowed, but no longer is. And interesting, I was just reading the other day a case in the Supreme Court of the United States where some kids in Alaska were engaged in some, they had some drug paraphernalia and they were told to knock it off. And the case went up to the Supreme Court. The school board won the case. But the point that Clarence Thomas was making, and I think maybe another judge was that these kids can't, we can't give these kids all these rights in school.  And this is basically what the main court had said. And he quotes this very case that I have spent several pages of my book on. He quoted the same thing from that case, that the object of the schools is to instruct the youngsters in moral conditions and treat them to, teach them to be good citizens. And of course, you can see today, if we ever get away from that, what the courts may have been right then, I don't think it necessarily makes sense to have the children in the school at whatever age maybe telling the teachers how they're going to spend their day and what they're going to do with their free time when they're on school time and that kind of thing. So this is still up for grabs. The Supreme Court has given a lot of rights to students in terms of free speech and probably in some respects, it's right. But in some respects, it may not be right and the history is still playing out. All of this, we're in current history now. 100 years from now, people will be writing about these cases and they'll be asking, how could they have been so right or how could they have been so wrong? And that's what keeps me interested in this thing is to really, when you see the cases in the book, it looks in some respects as to why court was really hard headed and really tough to the point that we would think it was unfair. And you wonder how that happened, but you go back and you can understand how they felt. They were building an economy here. They were trying to build up a state. Maine was at the end of the line. We had to have corporations empowered to develop this state the industry had to be there. And yet at the same time, it was unfair in some respects, at least it seems that way today, but to the employees. So I make the point in the beginning of this book that if I was back there in those days, I probably would have made the same decisions they do, but I'm operating under 2020 hindsight. But I'm operating under 2020 hindsight. But if I don't make, if I don't state my opinions in the book, I don't think I've done justice to it. I owe it to people that are my readers to hear my opinion, because I've researched it. If they want to reject my opinions, that's fine. I'm not trying to sell them on my opinions, but I'm trying to get them thinking. That's my only object. This this book then ended up with some 330 p 33 pages of text, 23 pages of photographs, 247 cases mentioned in there. It became quite a thing. And it became like, I gotta get, I gotta stop this thing at some point and pull it together. So that's what I finally did. And the firm was very helpful in this, helping me pull us all of this information together and produce this book that I think is a value to the, to the state. And it's a contribution to the bookshelf that says history of main law. It's the first book in there. But there it is. Some have written about parts of main law. And judges, they've written about judges. But this, this does report to be a coverage of the law per say. And as Judge Crawford on the back said, he was kind enough to say it was a remarkable first. So he was pleased with it. And that made my I was going to say day made my year, I'm sure. When I did this book, I had to refer to the early main law, you know, if you're going to be critical of something, it's not a very diplomatic to be overtly critical. So I don't want to be critical of the Kermit judiciary. And more than I have to be an attorney and not being my desire to offend. But it would not be candid if I didn't take shots, if you will, or take opinions at the early main court where I felt in retrospect, with the benefit of 2020 hindsight, it's warranted. So the summer could learn something about what I thought. Judge Coffin also felt strongly was very important to get this out to the what he called the general reader, history buff, that kind of person. I think all of those people would be interested in this book. And particularly people that are interested, family members thinking, maybe I'll go into law, maybe I'll study history, that kind of thing. I tell people this to make the perfect Christmas present. Because it's the book I wanted. When I started looking back, I wanted this book to be available for me at many, many times during my practice. That give me some idea of what came before I came in. It wasn't it wasn't there. And not that it's complete and comprehensive and to the entire, it's selective. But it is a book and gives you some, some idea of the past. I should also explain at the beginning, I'm almost getting to the end, I'm just in the beginning with the common laws. If anyone heard of the common law, the common law is basically judge made law. There's the statutory law made up by the legislature, made by the legislature in Augusta. And then it's the common law which is court decisions. They hand down court decisions. They look kind of like this. And there are words on them and they are decided, they decide the case, here's the decision, here's the reason. And that's what is that case has been decided. That is a precedent for future cases and it becomes part of the body, thousands of cases of what is known as the court made law or the common law. And that's what I'm dealing with in this book, more than I am with legislation and statutes. How did the main court handle the whole question of slavery in the period leading up leading up to the civil war and during the civil war? Okay. The main court dealt directly with this problem of slavery. It so happened that in 1857, the Supreme Court of the United States, in what is widely regarded as a misguided opinion, ruled by majority Justice Tawny, the 77th or two decision, ruled that blacks, African Americans, basically slaves could not be citizens. And even if slaves were released from slavery, they could not be citizens. Basically black immigrants from Africa, even if released from slavery could not be citizens. There were not citizens in the ID eyes of the US Supreme Court. It's considered one of the worst turns, if you will, the court ever took. But there it is. And it came directly to the state of Maine, surprisingly enough, because the Maine Constitution says if you want to vote in Maine, you have to be a US citizen. And here we have the Supreme Court in Washington saying that blacks cannot be US citizens. First of all, the legislature in Maine really got offended by that decision and said that it was a terribly wrong decision. It was a case that it was a decision that denied, went against the grain of all people that believed in freedom and equality, that it was a disastrous decision and one that they didn't have to even think about a bang. But they wanted our court, our Supreme Court, to give them its opinion, an advisory opinion, as to whether under Maine law, the blacks in Maine, there were a number of blacks in Maine and whether they could vote. Because here we have the Supreme Court saying blacks can't be citizens of the United States on the one hand. And we have the Maine Constitution saying that to vote you have to be a citizen of the United States. So this went before our court. There were, I think, eight members on the court at that time. And they all came down with one exception, saying that they were not going to be following that decision because it didn't affect the meaning of the word citizen of the United States as that word is used in the Maine Constitution. It may affect the meaning of the phrase citizen of the United States as used in the US Constitution, but not the Maine Constitution. So it could be said they sidestepped that by just saying it really doesn't apply to us because we're dealing with the Maine Constitution. And we interpret the Maine Constitution, thank you, and there's a clear history in the Maine Constitution that when the Maine Constitution was being put together, probably right down the street from where the building is, when this building was in operation, someone made a motion that they exclude blacks from voting in Maine. And the chairman of the drafting committee, Holmes, he said that's not the way it is at all. God made no difference between us and the blacks and whites and our Constitution didn't matter. We're not going to go there with that. And we've always been a free state. In fact, we came in as a free state. So our court had nothing but bad, nothing but a good decision. They had a good decision. They disagreed with the US Supreme Court, but they didn't really have to take issue with them because they were saying that as far as we're concerned, under the Maine Constitution, their citizens of the United States can be, even though they may not be under the US Constitution, but they didn't have to deal with the US Constitution because the legislature asked them about voting in Maine. Now two members of our court really were so offended by this. And one of them was, this is my new, I got a picture of him for this event or for other events. That's the great John Appleton, probably the most famous judge in America in the middle of the 20th century, right here in Maine, a Bangor boy. He was on the court for some 36 years and really a truly great judge. He's the one that spearheaded the whole motion of letting defendants and criminal cases testify. If you were charged with a crime in those days, you couldn't testify because they didn't trust you. And he, they, they didn't, you couldn't testify. I mean, it seems incredible. But Appleton went overseas, he went over here, he went around, he wrote a book on this. It's in the Maine State Library, on evidence, Appleton on evidence. I found it up there, it's right on the shelf. And he was credited, it's in the book, by the US Supreme Court, Appleton of Maine, having done this great work. And nowadays, no one even knows about it, the sad thing. So my job is to bring this all out. He is a great judge. He sometimes got it wrong, if you will, from our 20th century perspective. But but a great guy said, he said, it's worth noting what he said. This is, this whole research, transformry, and this is part of it. So you can't read this history and going back to Jefferson. And here's what Appleton said, the equality of all before the law is the elementary principle of our institutions. He had a way of stating this. The equality of all before the law is the elementary principle of our institutions. He said, the Constitution of Maine recognizes this fundamental idea, the great principle upon all, which all popular governments rest, the equality of all before the law. It confers citizenship and entire equality of civil and political rights upon all its native born population. The fact that someone may have been a slave, maybe emancipated as a slave, obviously, certainly if you've been emancipated, you're not like a slave. And when you're able to walk around and go to the polls, anyone in name, black or good folk. He said, the people of this state, and he was, I think enjoying getting this down, because you know, these judges don't get a chance to make decisions whenever they want to. They have to wait, some say like an oyster, waiting at the bottom of the sea for a case to drift by, that they can grab. Otherwise, they have a party. Why a life?  You may not. You may wait a long time. It just so happened that he was the Chief Justice and one of the great writers and judges. Where is he? Right here. Still there. Distinguished looking, that's for sure. And he said, the people of this state and constitution assembled formed a constitution based on principle of the purest democracy, making no distinctions and giving no preferences, but resting on the great idea of equality before the law. The fundamental idea of the main constitution is equality of all before the law. And this turned out to me to be the most and it really changed my thinking about politics and everything. You can't read these things and not be transformed. And in addition to the great Appleton, we have Judge Davis, Woodbury Davis, who also has a picture in the book. It's in with the rest of them. Woodbury Davis said this is appalling. He was really saddened by what they'd done in Washington with that decision that he couldn't believe what they had said. The great Davis, I don't want to refer to the book too much. I try not to take me in court to judge us. Where in the record do you find that? You don't want to have to look around for it. I'd have it in my head, of course. The great Davis. He said, and this is a lot like Lincoln-esque. Because at the same time that the main court was getting back to the legislature with its opinion on these issues. It's incredibly important issues. Same time the main court was getting back from Abraham Lincoln was reading the decision. And Abraham Lincoln read the Dred Scott decision, which looked at what we're talking about, the Supreme Court said by majority that blacks could not be citizens. Lincoln wrote that he said he could not believe us. It was not, in his view, a very persuasive precedent. He didn't want to come to the point of saying he was going to disregard it, but he certainly said the Supreme Court has reversed itself before and we're going to see that it does again. We're not going to stand. And Davis was saying this. He says freedom are the privileged classes and equality among themselves. While trampling on the rights of others was no new thing, the world did not need to be informed of it. That's not the Declaration of Independence was all about. It was not to do that. He says if that was all the Declaration of Independence was doing, it wouldn't have merited the respect of mankind. It would not have justified a revolution. It would not have justified Washington. It would not have justified the Revolutionary War and their toil, sacrifice, and blood would have been in vain. He says he is so wrong on this. He says, but it was not so. It was not that. He says the Declaration of Independence was a heroic utterance of great truths for all men, meaning men and women I think today, so understood by the world and so intended by its authors they freely devoted fortune, honor, and life to sustain it. And then he goes on and he says the idea that one group of people can basically dump on another group of people and say we're going to be citizens and you guys aren't. It's so offensive to him. He says the worst enemy of our institutions could hardly say anything better to blacken the character of our ancestors. He said the idea that one group of people can lord it over another group of people and say we're citizens and you are not citizens. He said it would be just as legitimate to inquire what the African race intended to admit the whites to the privilege of citizenship. I mean it just didn't buy the thing. They all resided together, whatever their disparity in numbers and so forth. He says such a right to declare one of them, one group of people non-citizens, such a right does not exist under any free government. And he was so appalled by this. He says these assertions and doctrines need only to be stated in order to be rejected. So the great Davis, and I do make a point in here that we only have to imagine to appreciate the significance of Davis and Appleton, really taking on the Supreme Court on these questions. We need only imagine a gaping hole that would be left in the history of Maine law if the injustice of Taney's decision had been allowed to go unchallenged by any member of the court. I say this is a high point in the history of our Supreme Court. I was not aware of this research until I got into this project. I dare say many lawyers are not aware of it. And I dare say many people that are litigating in the courts aren't aware of it. But to me this is the kind of thing that you read through all of this, you have a completely different view of the law whether it's civil rights or whatever. You just see what these great people were doing in terms of charting out the rights for all of us citizens and making this hopefully the kind of community we want to be proud of, be proud of. Now there was one member of the court just half the way. He said he didn't go along with this. He's going to go along with Taney. He said I don't agree with that. We want to have a uniform rule of national citizenship. And he couldn't persuade anyone to his viewpoint. And I spent a little bit of time before I decided how to deal with this and put in there, put in this book. Hathaway found no support for his view that Taney was going to control what happened in May. He found no support for that view from his colleagues on the court and with the passage of time his opinion has fared no better. Considered from the perspective of the present day, everything's through 2020 hindsight. And I'm doing that. I don't have to benefit. I would have made the same decision some of these other people did back then. But with the benefit of hindsight, Hathaway's willingness to disenfranchise Maine's free black residents who were descendants of slaves which in practical effect would be to establish a race-based caste system that got two categories of people, whites and blacks. Blacks would be non-citizens. They could walk around, they just couldn't vote. They wouldn't be like slaves. They just, they were freed but they wouldn't, they're just, you know, in between. This is what would be the result, the race-based caste system that stands out, that stands out from the pages of Maine's legal history as a radical misjudgment that betrays the ideals of liberty and equality in a democratic society. And then I want further. It's all the more incredible and all the more misguided for Hathaway to have pronounced that opinion because if truth be known, Maine was the only state in the union. And this has been established by scholars that at that time by James Kent in his early commentaries on the law in the 19th century. And Tawney even cited this in his decision that Maine's the only state in the union where blacks were treated with complete equality. So why having, even Tawney having said that, Hathaway felt he had to disenfranchise them, we'd have to find out. He felt so strongly in terms of uniformity and a universal rule for the country that he was unwilling to take issue with Tawney. But Appleton and the rest of them, and Davis and the rest of our court said they were not going to go along with that so that the rights of blacks were secured by the Maine court. It's a great high point I think in the history of our Supreme Court to stand tall for the equality of rights for all our citizens. And it should be known I think. When you're finishing this I have a question. You used the word that writing this book transformed. It did it transformed me. Could you elaborate? Right. You cannot, it transformed me. See if I can explain that to you. I read the Declaration of Independence on this Jefferson. We hold these truths to be self evident at all. I'm going to create it equal and endowed by the creator, the certain nonalienable rights all were created equal. Basically the king we don't have kings. We don't have people that are up there down here they weren't born into it all or created equal. The main constitution starts off right out of the gate unlike our Supreme Court like our federal constitution which starts off by saying this is how we're going to govern. The executive will do this, the legislature it's basically allocating the powers of the various three parts of the government. Legislative judicial and executive. The main constitution starts off with a declaration of rights. It basically constitutionalizes the Declaration of Independence and that's what I put that in the book. It's a very liberal and provides a basis for a lot of lawyers and a lot of citizenry to perhaps eke out a few rights that they might not be able to find in the Supreme Court under the federal constitution. When it came into this union it became Ian after many years of trying to get in it became Ian as a free state as part of the Missouri, so-called Missouri Compromise. It was a very important event and Maine was a free state. From the get-go from the beginning the Maine Court started talking about equality. In one case where someone wanted to get a special deal cut for them in Augusta and the Supreme Court said no look we boasted we operate under a system of laws but that cannot be a valid boast unless we apply the great principle we should be mindful of the great principle of equality of constitutional equality. In this other case the Donoho case, well let's call it the red scot in the opinion of the justices on red scot. I have just discussed Lincoln's speech on red scot where he was against it and he said that he said that it was a misguided decision and then we have Lincoln and Gettysburg forescore in seven years a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Then we have a civil war which cut a great ripping through the nineteenth century of everything in this country and thousands were killed and massacred and died prison camps and death in that horror of war and then we have Lincoln at Gettysburg forescore in seven years. So all men are created equal? What was the court saying about women at this point? The court was not saying anything about women at this point. That's a good point, Harry. The court was basically the main court was divided on women. Thanks for asking that question because that does bring up. Mr. Dickerson, that picture there next to you. Dickerson is the only one who said it's just, well, the question came up this way. The legislature asked the court, can women be judges? Can they be justices of the piece? We've got to process these applications so women apparently want to do these things. And it went to the court. The court by five to two to one. Five said, and including apathy, who just ruled on the blacks, he said women it's a different case. Women were not part of this state when it was founded. They were not voting on the separation from Massachusetts. They aren't mentioned as being entitled to be judges. And the Massachusetts court had just ruled that women could not be judges. And the main court said, no, women can't be judges by vote of five. There were two others on there that said, wait a minute. He doesn't say they can't be. The main constitution says to say they can't be. So maybe they can be. In fact, that's the way we're going to end up beside. So you had five to two. And then you had Dickerson, this scholarly judge, Colby graduate, from Belfast. He came in and said, I got to tell you, he says you guys are missing it. You guys went right back to Brett Scott. He says there's no question that women can be. They should be. They must be on our court. And probably one of the great decisions was the dissenting opinion, the great dissenting opinions of all time, right up there with some of the great ones in the Supreme Court. This gentleman from Maine deserves, like Appleton did in another case, a seat in the Hall of Fame, because he said this is definitely something that should be allowed. He says women should definitely be on there and he was about 100 years ahead of his time because we had Supreme Court judges in Washington saying women should stay home. They're supposed to be in the domestic sphere. They are not supposed to be out and just get off of this. We don't want women being judges. This is what the Supreme Court's attitude was at the time in Washington. And you have this Dickerson from Belfast there. Dickerson is saying, hold on guys, it was really a heroic thing he did to take issue with the Supreme Court and get out there with this view of his. He used the same years later in the Supreme Court when there was a question about there, blacks could be separated but equal, separate but equal. The Supreme Court said in 1890, blacks could be separated but equal. They could be separate but equal. There was a dissenting opinion by a guy named Harlan, John Harlan. And he said that this is not right. It was whether separate but equal he said it's basically putting down blacks. We don't have a caste system in this country. We don't have it. We have all people are equal. And I think he may have taken some of the language of that particular decision which is considered a great, this is Harlan in Washington with the Supreme Court. I think he may have taken some of his wording of that. From the earlier opinions, Dickerson on women's rights in Maine. And I've asked the students if they want to go research. I tried to find out myself. I got lost in some state box that someone had found in some of the early writings of Harlan. I'll let someone else look it up. But it's an excellent question. So the Supreme Court of Maine was very solid in the protection of blacks as we've covered. When it got to the question whether women could be judges, they kind of like didn't stand up there for the rights of women. Well, with all of them, it was like five to three. And one of them was very strong, fair with the rights of women. But they were basically doing, I think, what was standard at that time. It would have been remarkable that women didn't, a lot of women didn't feel they were discriminated against. They were in the lot as we could see it today. But he wasn't going to jump right out there on that one. And, yep. I think he was the father of Franny Appleton, who was Longfellow's wife. She was very learned. I don't think... I don't know if that's true or not. I know this. Longfellow's wife, Franny Appleton, died in that tragic fire. Right. She burned in Cambridge. Longfellow has a history to it. Different person. They're related. I don't think that's true. Yeah. But this was one of, probably Maine's most famous judge. I think in the 20th century when that's written, Judge McCusek would be right up there. Still living down cables of us. And he's one of the founders of at least the present version of Pierce Atwood. And I mentioned him previously. He's in my book as I considered him such a good help to me in his work. What was the worst decision you encountered in the whole thing other than the ones you've mentioned? The worst decision was, I think, the case of a woman who married this guy and became pregnant and had a falling out with him and got a divorce. Now in those days, she couldn't... got an abortion. She had a first fall. She had a divorce. Then she had an abortion. The abortion was done by a friend of her, X's, where he actually restrained her. This is post-divorce. Held her down while her husband's, ex-husband's friend performed an abortion. They didn't call it an abortion, they called it an abortion. It's another word for an abortion. It was an abortion. Miscarriage. Miscarriage. He said in the court, the decision says, by using instruments unknown, I guess, you know, something he used. And it caused her great pain. It caused her great injury, she said. These were her allegations. And she took this claim into the main court. After her divorce, she sued this guy and done it. She couldn't sue her husband or her husband after the marriage because according to the Supreme Court of Maine in the 19th century, a woman was not allowed, or her husband, to sue the other party during marriage. Divorce, maybe, but not a lawsuit. And, our court said, the parties to a marriage, once it's dissolved through divorce, are forever unable to bring suits against each other. They didn't want anything to disturb the stability of a marriage. That's what they said. That's why they didn't want the parties to a marriage to start suing each other. And they thought that it would be undermined if they could get out of a marriage and then start suing each other. So they said, no. They said, you have to pull the curtains on the marriage and leave things as they are. And that's the way it is. Then they even went so far, this is where I think it's the worst decision, they went so far as to say that after the marriage, the ex could not sue the other. And nor could she sue the person who was asked by her ex to perform this. She could not sue him. That somehow he was cloaked with the same immunity that the husband was. There's no reason for that. It's like this convoluted idea. So in order to protect the sanctity of marriage, there's the steps they put. You cannot sue a wife during the marriage. You could not sue, I mean husband or wife after marriage.  I mean it's like, you've got a hit man, or hit man, to shoot your wife. This was the old way of looking at things. I want to make clear, that's not allowed. That would get you, don't do this. I'll give you history here. But someone asked for the worst case. And I think I covered that case in the book. In fact, I know I did. And I said, if anything is designed to make people not want to get married, to discourage marriage, it's that case. So think of the irony. In order to encourage marriage, they tell people, you'll get married to be fine. You won't be able to sue each other. I'm willing to go on with that maybe.  I'm so in love I'll go on with that at the time.  That I think is my it's right up there with probably some of them. It was not my job to find cases that I thought were out of line with the present day. But I come across these cases. This ought to be in my book because it's in the chapter on women's rights and I cover that extensively all of the issues involving women's rights, women's witnesses, divorce and everything else and the rights of women which are so different from the way they are today in this book. Before I wrap this up, anyone have any questions right now? I have one question here. Go ahead. What was the worst labor condition case that you ran into? The worst labor condition case I think was there were many of them. It was the woman aged 59 plus who had worked in this milldown in Bideford who had a do-it-job required to pick bobbins up which were used in the making of woven products. She had to pick these bobbins up under this spinning thing under a dowel, a metal dowel that spun at 280 rpm, 280 revolutions per minute. That's pretty fast. Even in the 19th century that was fast. And she'd been there working for years and there was screws on that, set screws they called and they connected this, they called it a dowel. It was a rod of some kind that got her into the machine and then you know what happened of course so she went down it was something it was so obvious it was dangerous. She caught her hair in it and the way the court describes this she was scalped. It's scalped her. And I get it pretty good if what it is I don't even want to go into detail on it but she sued the company and the main court said the risk of that would happen was so obvious and then the conclusion was not that they should never have allowed her to have that job it was so obvious that she should not have allowed that to happen to her hair. So she was blamed for that. That was life in the mill was in those days and I have all the pictures but some of the pictures of the youngsters and most of them in the mills you can see that Because juveniles were treated no better. Juveniles were treated no better. They got them in early because they could get a family if you had eight kids you might bring them in under 14 I think it was you could bring in ten if you were bringing your kids you had a chance of getting enough to pay for your food if you know whatever basic nourishment. So these were hard times in the mills look at these kids they're barefoot running around it's very dangerous is anything they're probably acquiring all kinds of difficulties by working in that mill and the Lewisson Library let me make these and I have another one that seemed to be misplaced both the women in the mills so this was another world the other one was a yeah, question Pat I just wanted you to touch briefly on the case you mentioned that related to the ice cutting industry Ice cutting yes in the ice cutting industry well the ice cutting industry was a risky business because during the time of the ice cutting or particularly on the large rivers ice cutting was done everywhere because there was no way of refrigerating products so Maine had a huge business a wonderful seasonal business once the woods were closed and people couldn't work in the woods they turned to ice and ice was harvested and major numbers out of the sabbatical leg it was harvested in the Kennedbeck right up through Augusta there in that region Gardner and Bowdenham and all of that it was favored because it was hard it would last longer it was colder in the spring it would still be good whereas the Massachusetts ice was getting softer and horses were falling through the river from time to time and into the water and of course if you lose your horse you'd be like having your car your truck and your pickup and everything else so these ended up in litigation and the court had to craft out this law that would govern whose rights on the rivers like that and it's mentioned in here it's mentioned it's no longer I think one or two places still do ice cutting small little operations but it's not a big deal right now because once the refrigeration came online ice cutting was no longer needed and it was not a good thing to invest in I think people probably get out of solar stock at that point once refrigerated but at the time it shows how in the cases that came up show how the court was dealing with these I've only covered the small part there's no spare because I've got to go any longer but I wanted to mention this one that you may have heard of the Dono case a 15 year old girl who was a Catholic up in Elseworld wanted to read the Bible which was required reading was considered a textbook in the school and she wanted to read it in the Catholic version the Dewey version she said in the King James version of the Bible and the schoolboy said no you've got to read our version she said later I don't have some protection here and they said no so again applicant I think he got this one wrong if you will by our standards today but he said we can't have this has been a textbook it's a textbook we can't have kids depicting our textbooks that's an argument but it's a different kind of textbook it happens to be a religious holy book of the Christian religion and Protestant religion and the Catholic religion and why couldn't they have given her an option to opt out and maybe read her version and that became a constant lever which is dealt with extensively in my book and it involved a huge fracas between the powers that be in the town of Ellsworth this was a dark chapter in their history and the Catholic minister a priest down there who wanted to read the duet version and they ultimately the townspeople a bunch of bullies got together and tried and feathered this priest and left him out in the dock somewhere and he became quite a martyr and ultimately became the first president of Boston College I believe that and I was a lot of time I spent wondering how could this be because I didn't want to put that in there this is how could this guy become the president of Boston College such people don't look at that I checked it out you can check it out and there's a library down there the John Bap's library there's John Bap's school those places he became quite a national figure and this all grew out of a very hateful time and the main court by today's standards got that one wrong but here's the good news in each of these areas race have always recovered the main stance of town always has race, religion and women's rights as far as women's rights women's rights today have all come out in favor of the development of more equality for women so that it's virtually impossible to justify any discrimination against women and so blacks and women there's a black president it's incredible based on what Connie was saying back there and I'm glad our main court stood tall and that one blacks women and in terms of religion the Supreme Court in 1983 recently you see Bridget Donahoe was this 15 year old girl in Ellsworth she was 150 years ago she was told no she has to read this book and she refused her and she thrown out of school and she lost her case but her argument she was making was like I say in this book a smoldering ember that kept going there was truth in what she was saying there was power in it and that ultimately ended up prevailing in the Supreme Court so in each of these areas race, religion and gender the good news is that out of all of this out of the civil war out of all these various precedents the good news is that the power of equality the irrepressible power of civil justice the irrepressible power of food not favoring one group the power of equality was so strong that in each of these areas it ultimately triumphed that's what I mean to transform me I couldn't look around anymore without being transformed by this and then you'd have Martin Luther King Martin Luther King in Montgomery he's out there preaching to his people and he says it will not be one they say how long? he says it won't be long we're going to get this he says how long? truth pressed earth shall rise again he says they say how long? there's a great speech how long? it's called truth pressed earth shall rise again and he also said the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice so this is important to note because it affects how you look at your surroundings how you look at the state how you look at your people my only hope is that lawyers particularly and people historians just as particularly will read some of this in here and find this because it's not anywhere else it's not anywhere else and be informed by that and be transformed as I end the book I gave it to Judge Coffin my script, my pages he said I like this but he says you need to have a conclusion I said well I have a conclusion I need more of a conclusion just a code of some kind summarizes your whole thing and I worked on it just before I went over to see my ed this last sentence I think we liked it it says here it would be unrealistic to expect courts to be the dynamo that drives change at the cutting edge of each and every new development in the ongoing evolution of society yet that being said and looking back over the entire history of main law some of the most inspiring judicial opinions from that era are those that invoke the irrepressible power of simple justice in the face of lingering inequalities of rights reminding us down through the years that justice remains the gold of which all will have to aspire and once you've been in the in the books reading this all these people all coming at you these victims of this and that these people that were doing this and that over 200 years you really begin to see the history it's like a DNA it remains a historical outlook it's driving it's moving the arc of justice is the line but it as Martin Luther King said the moral justice may be the line but it's bending the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice and with that I'd rather leave you there I'm Martin Luther King I hope that answers your you just can't see things the same way after you've been through 200 years of main law my hope is that lawyers particularly others also anyone interested in history will go through the same experience I had by looking at some of these cases I wrote this book so it was readable I think by non-lawyers you can ignore the footnotes and you can also start in the beginning the first introduction preface it just talks about how maybe my wife got started on some of this and you can go to the final chapter and you can fill in chapters you want to read in between as you're so moved and you don't have to read the whole thing it's not that kind of history book you have to start in the first page you read on the page of the history it's all by tropics so it's pretty readable 30 tropics only about 10 pages each at most so there you go thank you for your time


Everybody forced here ripping 21-22 in the war basketball hobby 4 box case number 27 tiered random teams There you go, there's the results you can always find those a late in sports cards calm. Thanks everyone for joining. Good luck Yeah, I mentioned Brad Johnson. He's definitely one of them. I don't know man Who's gonna throw key Shawn Johnson and Kina McCarty out the ball and hand off to Michael Pittman, huh? And Michael also who answered me that Me I could have done. Yeah, it's like don't hurt like go out and do nothing Here you go, Jamal Lewis.  Yeah, that's your job Be better than Kyle bowler When did Kyle I think I think I could have won that Super Bowl with the Bucks in 0-2 Yeah, oh too for sure easily Did I'm pretty sure the Bucks defense before like the end of like the fourth quarter score more points in the Raiders? All right, coach put me in I'm gonna hand the ball off you watch got Primo rookie spurs to 99 Nick's chemo walker to 35 And T-wolves Anthony Edwards to 35 That's kind of weird Vaughn Got pistons rookie Jersey card Cade Cunningham Jersey number two of 99 There we go pistons new wave jerseys hash card bulls DeMar DeRosin to 99 Game worn patch probably spurs game spurs game worn probably not many Bulls game worn jerseys from a Drowson at the time of this product was made Carl Anthony Towns jersey card T-wolves to 99 Rockets auto Jay Sean Tate To 99 second-year Jay Sean Tate Sneaker spotlight signature sons Jason Richardson to 99 Awesome Jay rich Yo Phoenix Silver screen debuts rookie auto wizards Corey Kispert to 99 and redemption Spotlights signatures vertical Vince Carter That'll be so sick, I'm a check in where that's going I would think wrap I think he's only raptor But I don't know I don't know a hundred percent for certain Vince in the war is only a raptor big congrats raptors that will be sick Definitely has become one of the nicer Vet hits needs to get on Yeah, they can stick our guy you have the cards come on There it goes, I don't know what the heck that was about Did it safely though? I've got Thunder shy Gildes Alexander to 99 split screen For the Rockets and Magic Jalen Green and Jalen Suggs at 25 dual Jalen card Imagine this is a random magic is Andrew s Rockets where they had Harper random at the end. Nice Rockets magic green and Suggs Nuggets Nicola Yolk is to 99. Yeah, I don't like them in war boxes But yeah, there was something good in here. I saw this too, and I pulled out the base cards One-on-one laundry tag Blazers Damien Lillard boom Game worn Monster for the Blazers Seguru big one that is sick What do you ought to think he's on a different team next year you guys I Don't know. There's always those rumblings, but he's never actually said he wants So yeah, that's rookie Jersey Card Day run sharp to 99 Yeah, I don't think he's leaving a lot of people like to speculate, but I just at least not this year things can change Anyway, rookie Jersey Wizards Corey Kisper to 99. They really did Mikey future magic legend Damien Lillard. I Wouldn't wish that upon Damien Lillard Spurs raining nights auto Lonnie Walker the fourth to 99 It's like deal with the Wizards though. Yeah, he's like I want to stay in the Wizards like Are you sure? Spurs auto a shadow signatures Devon Basel to 99. It did make me earn that longer time RPA nets Cameron Thomas to 99 and Silver screen debuts magic rookie auto Franz Wagner to 99 great hit magic I think Franz Otto's in both cases tonight That mags Draft next week, or is it? Magic to just get chat and your body Like has anyone ever tried to make take two players with one pick That's just do it everyone's like, what do we do now Hawks John Collins at 35 Blazers he's in McCullum to 99 and the 35 Hornets Lamello Go Hornets you'd have to trade Primus that no bomb No, no can do then patch card Raptors Vince Carter to 25 the Vince Carter case Nice three colors there You saying mobile no Could reverse Ricky Jersey card Keon Johnson to 99 Bamba for Steph Curry straight up who says no except the magic Nick's two shot rookie signatures Quentin Grimes and Mazur rides in 99 There you go, Nick's Bulls free-shram signatures BJ Armstrong to 99 Absolutely not we need Mo Bamba not less Bamba, okay Oh god, oh that was bad Big auto Blazers rookie Greg ground the third to 99. That's gorgeous GB3 what they're calling God's redemption Scotty Lewis rookie patch auto black and white for the Hornets Scotty Lewis Hornets Wow rainy nights Mavericks Luca Donchich auto 10 of 49 Big hit maves congrats Alan Lulu with the raining night. That's a beauty Matt magic are two and when now mode on learn when now mode Can't be bringing on an old veteran like Steph Curry to slow down the wind now mindset we need young players like Mario his own yeah and get cam reddish young high-end, you know Let's see stable Heck yeah, like to hear it Paul spearheaded by me. I Don't know why Samsung credit. Oh, I'm taking credit. God feature length metal car Devon Booker Sons Number one of 25 Jersey number D. Book Bucks drew holiday to 99. I'm like Brad's day if I collected his cases. I'd be like thunder Lou Dorton 35 Sure, you know, this is gone already. I'd be like, yeah, I collected these cases today and Brad immediately go. Yeah guys So who's he collected the case? God Spurs rookie Gembo Jersey Joshua Primo to 99 Pelicans Devontae Graham Jersey card to 99 magic Terence Ross Jersey card to 99 There you go two pinstripes on the patch nice one there Shadow signatures Nick's is Taj Gibson to 99 Hacer's RPA Isaiah Jackson four of 99 have not seen those sounds cool though What is Fuchera like a? card manufacturer Got freeze-frame signatures Nuggets Alex English to 99 and Cavaliers RPA Evan Mobley 13 of 99 Whoo, I was trying to think of more things Big hit calves tongue s so both cases tonight had a really nice Franz Wagner and Interesting interesting We've got a sound like I was recording like sound bites or something Sorry guys, I'm allergic to huge hits So I'm always sneezing Rockets magic split-screen Jalen green Jalen Suggs the battle of the Jalen's here Metal card number to 25 on the random. We will go six times whoever's up top after six gets the card one two three four five and six Magic Go magic Yeah, you know what we should get Brad to add an NBA Jam boom Chaka Laka to the We should do that it did sound like I was recording for NBA Jam Fireflame is my guy real real no cap FR FR no hat Relics got Terrence Ross Devontae Graham Joshua Primo dual Knicks rookies Keon Johnson Vince Carter Keon Johnson the clipper in this Cory Kispert Darren Sharp Carl Anthony Towns DeMar DeRosan Kate Cunningham Jersey number two of 99 on that one God autos Alex English Isaiah Jackson Taj Gibson Hornet Scotty Lewis redemption Greg Brown the third BJ Armstrong Cameron Thomas Devon Vasell Lonnie Walker the fourth Vince Carter Raptors redemption Cory Kispert wizards Jay Chante Rockets. That was a spotlight Vince Carter for the mouse.  That's a big hit God Sun sneaker spotlight Jason Richardson nice hit Suns got Franz Wagner silver screen debut magic rookie auto RPA Evan Mobley cabs one-of-one game use laundry tag Damian Lillard Blazers and reigning Knights Auto Mavericks Luca Donchich and Big hits tonight in the war. We've got football coming up next. Thanks everybody


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Thanks for checking out this unboxing video and what we have here is the August BAM box So I'm very excited for this one because this is the very first one that there's no theme to some of the themes in the past We're really good. See my Microphone sorry some of the themes in the past were really cool, but some of them they got kind of like weird and Adam from BAM box the CEO had said that it kind of pigeonholed them and trying to get certain items And they had to pass certain items up. They were really cool that they otherwise could done So they're not in this format of no themes, which I'm super excited about so they put out like a teaser the month before of what the franchises will be for the the next upcoming box But I'm not gonna talk about that kind of stuff just because I don't you know Want to spoil anything for anyone if they don't want to know the franchises at all So I do look at those though and knowing that I'm pretty excited about some of the stuff in here And even more excited for the franchises that will be for the September one also to let you know real quick I they started doing a horror box like a strictly horror box for BAM Had to sign up for that love horror stuff So I will be doing the horror box in September as well. That's the first month forward is September So look for that in addition to the regular BAM box. Anyway, let's get into this Hoping for good things. I did see some people post in the BAM box community on Facebook that No spoilers, but that they really like the box But then again, you never really know because you don't know who that person is what they typically like You know could be different for me. I don't know As per usual Some nice tissue paper from a cat Chloe come get your tissue paper All right There's something in here that feels weird. I Think I'll just pull that out first. It feels like a bird or something Shaped like a bird or something like that's a tail. I'll pull that out first cuz it's very odd. Oh It's it's legit a shark. Oh my god Oh So this is the shark NATO item. Oh my god, this is actually pretty awesome like awesomely hilarious So this is their sign item their autograph item and it's Shark NATO and as you can see there there's an autograph. Oh, there's lighting up better there Can you guess who signed this plastic shark? Oh Oh none other than the the person well The main person in the shark NATO films who that's what they need for this terror read That's hilarious my mother had had caught some of the Shark NATO movie because every now and then she likes to check in on the ridiculousness of sci-fi Made for TV movies and she saw some of it. She was just like Terri so terrible, so she'll be pretty excited when I let her know about this. She'll think it's funny. So that's funny That's cool. I I legit like that because it's so absurd. I don't know All right, so patch huge on patches, but Is this Vigo the Carpathian Yes from Ghostbusters to Vigo the Carpathian which the back looks interesting look at the colors on the bit Like it's any better. Not really. Sorry, but yeah Vigo Carpathian. That's all right Like you don't patches, but it's okay. I mean it's cool design flat item I Got another one killer. Oh my god. This is my third box in a row with a one-up That's super super exciting So I'll be looking for what this one-up item is in here. I hope it's the pin I always kids are my favorite and I always like the one-up pins So the next thing we have is from dark matter props BAM box edition. So this is exclusive for BAM box a prop made by dark matter props dark matter props calm. Well, I can show you the box See dark matter props There you go Oh, okay. Gotcha. This is one of the things I was not interested in just because it's For a game that I don't know much about I've never played it before I'm gonna take this out of Because it's a better way to show it So it looks like it's up like a medallion a pendant From witcher Um, as you can see it's There you go It's like this wolf head thing Like I've it's and it's metal um, it's hollow on on the back, but um, I've seen this logo for uh The watcher, but like I said, I don't know much about the watcher. I haven't played it. Um But I know some people who like it so maybe I can hand this off to them and it also comes with There's like a little You know silky bag in there Yeah, so and it says witcher wolf medallion from Witcher 3 wild hunt So that's a good item. That's a I'll say that's a decent item for if you like that Which I it's just not my thing. So Okay, I'll just do the pin now Oh Oh, that's cool. Okay. So this is uh limit one of this is my one up is my pin which I'm happy about This one's only 250 of them done And it is From the simpsons. Oh, I'm sorry from Futurama. Sorry Futurama sync creators. That's why I get confused Um from Futurama, they have like a sequence where they have all these I'll take it out of here All these like floating heads in like liquid And so it's that and it's Leonard Nimoy rip Leonard Nimoy Here's a cool dude. I never got to meet him or anything, but That's cool. That looks really good. Once again good design really nice pin Uh limited release of 250. They're numbered on the back Kind of makes me wonder what number I got All right, I'm gonna take it all just to just to know I got number 27 out of 250. So pretty low number. That's cool All right That's cool. I like that As always they're doing a really good job with their pens Next It's this art print and that might this might be it. This might be the last side. I'm not sure Oh, oh, this is cool Oh, this is really interesting. Okay. So I know one of the items was supposed to be joker So this actually incorporates joker as well as batman and it is A kind of feudal japan take on joker versus batman They're 1500 of this print made. I got number 902 and this is by Chrissy Chung Is the artist So check that there you go. You can see it there. So you got like the feudal japanese looking joker there and you got Batman On his steed That's pretty sweet. That's nice So I'm saying their pins and their prints are always really good. I think that might be it. Yes, that was it Oh, they went back to like full-on booklet They haven't been doing booklets Uh band box august 2017. It's got the shark nato going on on there So that's fine So the other Pins that you could have gotten One that has bender's head and it says rodriguez. That's cool and another one that was limited to 500 That has says dr. John and it's zoeberg That one's also cool. Um The one I got was the most rare because there was a regular one the 500 and the 250 in the London Emo's 250 So you can kind of see those Very cool. Then we have the witcher dog tags Right there. There's really nothing special about those The terror reed shark nato signed shark Hand signed by terror reed. That's just funny. They have a little promo for the horror box right there And Oh Oh, man, I actually as cool as I think that art print is I think the other art print that was available is more what I had interest in because um Yeah, because it's Basically a different take on the joker from the the killing joke comic, which is obviously the most popular Batman comic So that would have been cool. Um, and then there's supposed to be a replica in there. Did I miss that? Oh, I did miss it. It is in here. I was like, did that not come? This is funny. Actually, it's uh Wish I would have like looked looked I didn't expect something this small So it's an id of mclovin from superbad Looks legit looks exactly like mclovin. That's pretty funny. I like that. That's funny fun item And then that's it and they had a contest Oh, yeah, and then they had the fan art collection patch All about that there Yeah, that's pretty much it. Um overall I thought this autograph was really funny Slash fun. So down with that the pins were really cool. Really cool. Both the art prints were really cool Wish I got the other art print just because I prefer that but I still really like this one Um patches. I don't really care that much, but it's designed well The mclovin thing. It's funny. I'm not like a huge fan, but And the witcher pendant Well made cool looking Not really for me because I don't really care about the game if I can get that way overall happy with it. Um, Significantly more interested for next month But yeah, thank you everyone for checking this out Check in next month when I will do the september regular band box as well as the september Horror band box, which will be the very first horror band box in existence So hopefully there's some really cool stuff there Anyway, if you guys do want to see any teasers for the franchises, you can just go to the website or find them on facebook They post those types of things. So anyway, thanks again, and until next time keep it brutal