The following is a presentation of TFNN. The Trader's Edge with Steve Rhodes. All now, toll free at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. The Trader's Edge. Now, Steve Rhodes. Good afternoon from TFNN. Welcome to the October 2nd, the wonderful Wednesday edition of today's Trader's Edge show. I'm your host, Steve Perseverance Rhodes, who absolutely knows that each of us should always be pioneers of our future versus prisoners of our past. Hope everyone out there is having a great day. Hey, let's have an extraordinary one. The easy way to do that is to always remember that life is happening for us, not to us. That's right. We need to make that one little two-by-four shift. It means we can find the gift in every set of circumstance that life is going to toss at us. Now, today, you and I, we're going to go check on the circumstance of these markets. We're going to go figure out what the bulls and the bears, what those buyers and sellers are communicating to you and I just passed one o'clock in the afternoon. I want you to know that I'm absolutely grateful for your presence here, but much more important than that. During this next 60 minutes, I'm here to serve you. So feel free to pick up that phone. You can dial in<PHONE_NUMBER>. If you can't dial in, send me an email, Steve, at tfnn.com. Send it early. We already have about seven, eight questions by email out there. I want to be able to get to each of them. Put the radio show question to subject heading, if you will, and then inside the Tiger's Den. Well, any ping will do. So let's go ahead and get this show started on wonderful Wednesday. Of course, this is Tiger, Financial News Network. I'm Steve Rhodes. Welcome to LUS Show. Right now we've got the Dow off 545 points. That's off 2% to the downside in the Dow, the S&P, the NDX100, the Semis, the New York Stock Exchange. Trends are up 2.6% percent. You've got the Spot Volatility Index, a second day in a row right now up above the 10% level. It's up 12.88% trading out at $20.95, $2.39 cents to the upside. Now, the key here, you don't see it on this chart, but you'll see it as we turn to some charts out there. Peter wants to take a look at the VIX. Maybe what Peter knows, the Spot Volatility Index is trading above all of its forward futures contracts. I think that takes us out to June of 2020 out there. And you know what that means. Well, if you don't know what that means, stay tuned because we're going to go show you what that means to the markets. You've got gold up 18 bucks, silver up 37 pennies, we crude off a buck 16, trading out $52 in change. Let's skip the who's leading to the upside and to the downside with so many questions in. Let's go right to these markets out here. So I'm going to go through the markets and we'll probably get that done during the first segment or two out here and then go to the questions. Some of the questions may be answered during this process here, but the question's in essence, what are the markets doing as we speak right now? 109 in the afternoon. Now for that, I'm simply going to use our futures contracts out there. I like vehicles that trade nearly round the clock out there. I am not that fond of those vehicles to make our trading decisions that are only trading for six and a half hours a day. You know what I mean out there, Jellybean? I think you do. If you take a look at the four quadrants out here, the ES, the NQ, the Dow, YM, and the Russell 2000, what you're going to see out here is you're going to see some one horizontal red line for each of these. One horizontal red line. One ping, Vasili. And what we're looking at inside the ES, many is 28, 75, 25 out there. What does the red line represent? Jay, that represents the breakout area. That is the breakout area based upon utilizing that TD set up a nine count pattern out there. I have found this to be a much more versatile, provides you and I with much better information about where prices are headed to, where support and where it's resistance than actually using swing points out here. I'm not against using swing points, but it's not the be all to end all. Neither is this, but this really provides us with understanding where a breakout or a breakdown move to. In a normal marketplace, price will pull back to where it broke out. You and I have been taught this by Obi-Wan Kenobi. Well, for me for the last, I don't remember, 11, 12 years, whatever it's been, 2006, when I first was introduced to Tom out there. That first introduction was by a handshake out there. And so, you know, Tom likes to say, hey, don't buy the breakout, wait for price to pull back to the breakout. Well, right now if there's still a bull out there inside the ES mini, price has tested. So far rejected that level, 28, 75 in a quarter. NQ trading slightly below the breakout level out here, 75, 68, 75 out there. We're about 10 points away from that level. So that is an area of support that's being tested. And the Dow Equity Futures contract 25, 9, 10. Not I don't know if these were hit right to the tick or not, but you're looking at it on your screen if you're watching us on Tiger TV. If you're not, you got to ask yourself, why? Why aren't you watching us on Tiger TV? You know, I get it, you're working, but hey, you can always watch the archive of this. I know Scott will watch the archive of this. If we take a look at Russell 2000 right there at support. So here's the deal, Shamil. Right now we have the four equity futures contracts. And if we go take a look at the four daily cash indices out here, we're going to see a different picture. Which one's telling us the truth? Which one in this Liars poker game is telling us the truth? Well, you can use six and a half hours of information like, or you can use 23 plus hours worth of information. I'm going with the latter. Now look, if price closes below these levels, that's why it's so important. If price closes below these levels, what it signals to us is a change in trend will cross that bridge when we get to it. So that's what the daily timeframe charts for the equity futures contracts are showing us. We don't need to go take a look at profiles. We can, but prices below the daily, there's no new profiles daily or weekly for the equity futures contract. So right now what you and I are going to recognize and realize is that the four contracts have moved back to breakout support. I don't know if they're going to break down, mean close and break below those levels, but they have moved to this area. What else is it that we have out here? Well, what we've got, I mentioned this in the den. This one here is for Z for John inside the Tiger's Den. He loves the market singing in the key of G. And if we take a look at our five-hour timeframe chart for the ES mini, the high out here, road momentum indicator top back at about nine o'clock in the morning, this is on September the 13th. And now we are down, we actually got down there at about, when was it about four o'clock this morning, is when we saw price get down and begin that moving into that wave number seven. That is letter G on my screen out there. What does that mean? This is coinciding right at an area of support on the daily contract out there. It means be careful. It means be careful out here. It means adjust your stops. Or if you see some kind of bottoming signal, consider taking the other side of the trade. What do you mean a bottoming signal? Well, if we take a look at the short termers out there, that means a 30-minute timeframe chart. What we're going to see is that as we came on the air at one o'clock out here, it was bar number eight of a TD setup nine count pattern. We're likely to, we've got 16 minutes before this bar closed. We're likely to get a confirmed TD setup nine count on the 30-minute timeframe. Of course, price would need to close above Stevie's red line. That's $28.90 to suggest that it has legs to the upside. Upside legs would take you up into about the, let's say about $29.23 or just slightly above that. That's going to be the top of the profile, the current profile, but it's also going to be the resistance line. The main line will form there at about 130.01 seconds out there. So what do we know as we summarize the first segment here? Four equity futures contracts right at breakout support. Five-hour chart for the ESMini, wave number seven. 30-minute chart. TD setup nine count. Steve Rhodes with TFNN. We'll be right back. 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TFNN.com, educating investors. Toll free at 1-877-927-6648 Internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER> So Dom's off 526, S&P 57. We're gonna stay along the lines of the indices and then we'll switch over to some of the other instruments that have been requested out there. What do I mean by that? Well, Peter wanted to take a look at the New York Stock Exchange Advanced Decline Oscillator or I believe that he did. And for good reason, he probably follows it. He recognizes that right now you've got the Advanced Decline Oscillator with reading of minus 189. Now when you get down to the minus 150 level that is where the market, where you begin to see bounces or bottoms. Bounces or bottoms. It is also another way of saying that the New York Stock Exchange is very oversold at this stage. So as we speak right now, 119, going along with what we just looked at inside the Four Equity Futures contracts. Take a look at the oversold reading inside of the New York Stock Exchange Advanced Decline Oscillator. It says, okay, prepare. Now, you may say to yourself, look, Stevo, come on. How do you figure that out? Did you just pull that out of your, you know what? Well, the answer is no, absolutely not. Here, let me just show you how I figured it out.   Here's what I'm going to have you take a look at. I'm going to have you take a look at the green arrows. Now we know in 2007, the market topped right here where my crosshair was at. Closing base, October 12, 2007. Now what I want you to pay attention to is the bottom in panel number two, kind of where my cursor is at. You're just going to see a yellow horizontal line that represents the minus 150 level out here. What I want you to notice, I want you to notice, and here's the green arrow. So they're all marked there as the advanced the client oscillator reading gets down there. Even in the worst of markets, what you saw was some kind of relief rally. Some lasted longer than the others. Let's not get too caught up into it. There's an occasional time where it was just a blip, such as back here on July 7th of 2008 out there. Of course, the next bottom that formed out there, what you see is the price was moving lower, but the advanced client oscillator reading was actually making higher bottoms out there. The sign of more counter trend rally. So this was how Stevie, one of the ways that Stevie figured out, you know something, this minus 150, this minus 250 level, they're really key for us to be watching out there. What's the next thing that we figured out? Well, actually, if you kind of go back here, it's not going to be as easy to see, but you'll still see it, no matter if you're watching on your phone or your iPad or whatever you might be, or your computer screen, or whatever you might be watching on out here. What I want you to notice here is, here's the 2009 bottom, where my cursor is at. And when I want you to really know, and by the way, the spot volatility index reading at that stage on March the 9th was 49.68. 49.68, what are we at today? Remember what we're at today. I thought I had it out here. I don't have it out here. That's weird. Where did that thing go? Okay. Well, it doesn't matter. It's not there. I don't know. It's like 20 or something like that. 49.  As a 50 would be anything but complacency. But what I want you to notice here at the bottom of my screen, the red line is a 50-day exponential moving average. And notice how the spot volatility next day below the 50-day exponential moving average for a good majority of that move between March 9th of 2009, all the way up to that first move high in the June-May timeframe in 2009 out there. So that's how that other vehicle was determined. It's why you and I take a look at that 50-day exponential moving average for the spot volatility index. But what else did Stevie recognize? What I recognized as well was when that spot volatility, that was just trading at 2078 out there. Right now, as we speak, was above all of its forward futures contracts. So if you look at the below this level here, you'll see that we begin in October of 2019. And we take it all the way out to June of 2020. We're at 2081 in the spot. VIX, all the forward futures contracts are below that. There, I created this little screen on the bottom right-hand panel that's taking a look at the spot volatility index versus three months. You can do it versus three months and six months. It's one year out there. And when it gets to a reading of plus one, you start looking for bottoms to form. You don't just buy it outright. You look for other types of signals to form inside of the market. Whether or by not saying a bottom is happening today or it's happening at 1.23 in the afternoon, it could, based on some of the things that we're looking at. That's not what I'm saying. What I don't want you to do is get married to the short side here. I want you to be prudent about your decisions about using stops because we go take a look at these patterns. I just took you back to 2007, so you didn't think I was just pulling something out of thin air. I'm here today, each and every day, to do what I can to help you and protect you. And to just simply be the narrator of the charts. Recognize these patterns that are out there that help us. Hopefully you'll use them in your future as well to assist you and you'll pass it on to somebody else. This isn't some secret society that we're in. You and I. This is about you and I being able to make money as a team. As far as I'm concerned, we are all on the same team. Now, whether we have different views, that's okay. We're supposed to be able to have different views for goodness sakes. How else do we learn out here? But look, I am saying this stuff, narrating these charts for you, going back and looking at these patterns for your benefit, for everybody's benefit. It makes me a better trader as well. Nothing like trying to talk to somebody about patterns and anyway, here's the vex. I just found it was I looked over to the right-hand side. Now, we took a look at the support levels. Those were the red lines on the equity futures contracts. If we take a look where the spot volatility is bounced up to 2115, that's its breakdown level. So Jay, we took a look at the support areas. Those were the red lines on my chart inside the equity futures contracts. And now we're taking a look at the spot volatility index and it attaining its breakdown level. Now, if the spot volatility close above 2115, it could be a sign of things to come, meaning even future moves higher in that spot volatility index. But a bottom is in the process of forming, not necessarily today. In the New York Stock Exchange, it can take several days. There's different patterns out there associated with those bottoms, but recognize that you now have and you have the JS about the one-day rate of change in the spot volatility index. If we take a look at what went on inside the ES mini, so I was putting together the newsletter yesterday with my laptop, because as I mentioned to you the night before I lost power, it's kind of messed up a bunch of things, even though I had backup systems on there in any event. Enough of that. Jay, as I was writing the newsletter yesterday, what I was sharing with subscribers was that the ES mini on its 30-minute base was in the process of forming a rose momentum indicator pattern. It actually formed, well, let me see, where was it? It was right back here. It actually formed by five o'clock last evening out here when we had the bullish reversal signal. And there was like about a 12-point move to the upside, so there was that bit of a countertrend rally. And then as soon as Asia opened up, the markets began selling off. Does it matter if you have two days in a row? I don't know what today's reading is going to be. Right now, we're at 11.96% out there. I originally years ago did a bunch of work to see if you had two days in a row or three days in a row. Was there some higher probability? And the answer was there weren't actually enough occurrences to really conclude anything. And so my conclusion was, just trade each day differently. That's why we're not prisoners of our past. Can you imagine being a prisoner of your past and trying to navigate these markets? It's all about the new information provided to us. We'll be right back. I'm certain you are or strive to be one of the best of the best at everything you do in life. It's the most common trait that we tigers and tigers share. 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Get your copy of The Art of Timing the Trade Chart today by visiting TFNN.com and the Swim Banner on the front page of TFNN.com Alright folks, let's get to some of these requests that have come in here Let's move away from the equity markets Let's go take a mic rights in and let's take a look at LightSuite Crude Ruby wants to take a look at LightSuite Crude If we just took a look at this chart here and tried to figure out what LightSuite Crude is what we would know is that it looks like it's headed down towards the support level of its daily profile $1.32 out there but we're not going to stop there We're going to go take a look at Stevie's other charts If we wanted to understand the bigger picture of LightSuite Crude, what we would do is we would begin by taking a look at the monthly time frame chart and here's what we know from a monthly time frame perspective of LightSuite Crude It is trading between resistance Resistance was the TD setup breakdown level 77.54 You can see how price stopped right at that area This was right here back in October of 2018 We also know it's trading between that and support and support is 47.21 That area was tested back in December in January, December of 2018 January of 2019 So 47.21 to 77.54 on the bigger picture folks That's what LightSuite Crude is doing out here At this stage of the monthly time frame price below Stevie's red line which is 55.01 says lower price in the bigger picture out there If we take a look at a smaller picture of the time frame chart, it shows that price is trading between support and resistance of its breakdown and breakout levels out here How does this work? It works folks, that's the whole thing It just simply works out here So price is trading between 62.90 and 51.60 Now what do we know about the daily chart now that we didn't know when we took a look at Stevie's signal chart Today is going to be bar number nine Bar number nine of a TD setup nine count pattern Now a lower low can occur tomorrow and it may occur tomorrow The bar following bar nine can also be the low of a TD setup nine count Bar 11 negates the whole thing out here So we have price pulling back to support at 51.60 TD setup nine count that is going to culminate today out there If you're trading LightSuite Crude or you want to trade LightSuite Crude then look for a bullish position out here and recognize that the first stop, the first area of resistance will be Stevie's red line which turned red just a couple trading sessions ago So what we also know is that when the price also gets to zero, we know that because the line is a chameleon, not a chameleon a chameleon and changes colors that we should expect price and the line to catch up to each other That's at 55.81 So we should at least see some type of bounce of that level then you can open up the Kamona MySherona and head up to 60 to 90 This is the consolidation pattern that LightSuite Crude is trading within. I hope that helps you out Ruby I hope that helps you out Mike in Sarasota Mike, I'm going to skip over your other question at the moment and we'll come back to it assuming that we have the time out there but Nick writes, I just want to see what the other questions are Nick writes in and says where is the Dow and DAX and tell me what you see and where you think resistance and support levels are So Nick, I think we did that by taking a look at the Dow Equity Futures contract I know you want to take a look at the Dow I will do that for you where do I where is that chart where I'm looking for a chart that I can like well I can do it I guess I don't want to do it that way Nick I thought I had something that that would be easy for me to run to and clearly oh I didn't save it for some reason okay so how is Steve going to do it I guess I'm going to do it this way let me just take this fixed chart out here sorry about that folks let me pull up the Dow and what I'm going to do is I'm going to change a few things here so let's pull up the Dow for you so what we know on the Dow is well here if we take a look at the cash in to see you're asking for support that level is 25 978 22 that is the breakout level the actual low that we've seen in the Dow is 25 974 12 so that area there has been tested been tested out here so far rejected if you see a close below that level though it says curtains now what does curtains mean it means okay you could go run back to one of the prior swing areas out here you know I'd want to get a confirmation August 15th area but look Nick in light of what we just took a look at the spot volatility index out here the one day rate of change and so forth it may take a while to get down there right now the key is that prices have come back to a very logical breakout area and we don't know if they're going to fold fail or work and so that's what we're going to look at right now right now is a 135 in the afternoon they have worked out here or it has worked now you're asking me about the Dax and I think my Dax chart is not going to update until later on tonight I will pull up the Dax because I don't think it had a hammer candle today and so the support level that's what you're asking for where do I see support inside the Dax and look at how that resistance level for the Dax has worked so if the resistance level has worked maybe the support level is going to work too which takes you back to the Dow so Nick I hope that that helps you out with regard to what you're looking at as a closer look as to where support or resistance is for those two instruments next question coming in is a request from Dennis Dennis G writes in and says I'm looking at O-L-E-D let me do this here O-L-E-D let me type that in on one of my screens on the other let's type that in as well then we'll read the rest of the question to see what it is that Dennis is after so I'm looking at O-L-E-D it looks like it is broken it's broken broken if you break it you own it it's broken and going a lot lower well here's what we know it's below the daily profile the weekly profile and it is trading with inside the monthly profile so I don't know what a lot lower means but right now the monthly says headed back to 153.77 or the bottom of its monthly profile 128.26 is a profile that just formed in the month of October I was originally waiting for a bounce close to the 50 day moving average on the weekly I don't use the 50 I don't use but okay all right now I'm looking for a bounce to around the 173 are in exiting there I'm reading this right 173 so you're looking for a bounce okay so it sounds like you're in if I properly have interpreted your message out here O-L-E-D let's look at the daily chart daily chart I don't see a bottom I don't see a bottom I see the top right roads momentum indicator top shooting star evening star the whole nine yards out here wave number four to the downside maybe a TD set up nine count daily chart says price may come all the way back to the June lows in the 143 level forget about 173 at this stage here we don't see a bottom signal on a daily timeframe let's go take a look at the weekly timeframe what do we have prices trading blow its weekly support 165.36 Dennis you don't want to see a close below 165.36 says price will have closed below its breakout area it also has a weekly roads momentum indicator top big old bearish engulfing candle there this would say over the long haul O-L-E-D could easily come back to 80 to 13 I'm not making that as a forecast just yet that is just simply its next price target to the downside if we take a look at the monthly timeframe chart out here well it's not going to produce a well I don't know if it will right now doesn't look like it will produce a TD set up nine count pattern out here but at this stage here Dennis I see lower price I do not see higher price in other words I say I do not see a bottom in universal display corp Steve Rhodes with TFNN will be right back if you're in 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prospectus or summary prospectus should be read carefully before investing an investment in the funds is subject to risk including the possible loss of principal the funds are designed to be utilized only by sophisticated investors such as traders and active investors distributor four side fund services LLC the next move is the Bounce to the 173 area and if there is a bounce out here which you're going to be focused on Dennis is going to be Stevie's red line currently price at $172.11 price moves up a bit so too will the red line let's not and if price were to close over that then you could have more countertrend rally so no bottom but we can't control what the next move is going to be in the market what we can do is identify a tool that has been in in being able to provide you with the message of the market see when the line turns from green to red as it did back here on September 13th it tells us of a phenomena that phenomena is that we should see price in that level catch up to each other and that's exactly what took place out here on the trading session September 24th price and that line caught up to each other now because the line was red it was telling us that our price us that it was below zero the rejection of that which was both on the 24th and the 25th of September told you that the pattern was bearish why was it bearish because there's there's nothing more bearish than a falling price loss that are below zero that's what we have you could have an A to B equal CD to the downside let's not worry about that but if there is some type of rally Stevie's red line is likely going to be your resistance point currently priced at 172 and some change out there Lee writes in Lee B and he writes in and says beautiful day in sunny California perfect good day here also in Florida gold off to a off to the races again is it finally time to jump back into the gold sector or just a bull trap lots of volume picking back up so yesterday Lee when we took a look at that specific question we were looking at the 30 minute time frame chart on the show and we were noticing was the was a potential for a Gartley sell pattern that Gartley sell pattern this is a 30 minute chart never never came into play we never got the bearish reversal signal out here and so without that the Gartley sell pattern didn't take place there was a TD set up nine count but it was just the hiccup kind of a move it just simply moved sideways out here and continued moving higher now as we speak it looks like there may be another rose momentum indicator top that is trying to form so we're basically in the same place that we were yesterday afternoon again this pattern doesn't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing and the swing would be some type of bearish reversal candle first then you need to close below Stevie's green line which is a 1505 60 but with this pattern in play it's kind of hard to suggest that you get into the trade the and it was the 30 minute chart that gave us the sign of the bottom yesterday morning out here similar to what we're you know trying to watch on all of the futures contracts out here if we take a look at the 60 minute time frame chart because it too was identifying the bottom yesterday morning here's we're going to see we're going to see the larger a to b equal CD to the upside this pattern to this would also be a Gartley pattern out here or could be a Gartley pattern and so no just like yesterday only we're looking at 30 minute chart now I'm looking at the 60 minute chart out here you've got an a to b equal CD pattern that's in play it's probably only a matter of time before some type of bearish reversal candle forms although I cannot guarantee it but if it did every Gartley pattern has five potential outcomes those outcomes could be just at the point three eight two retracement point six one eight point seven eight six the hundred percent move a move or really an a to b equal CD to the downside so is now the time to get in I can't I can't give you that signal that now is the time to to get in now what I will share with you is the following and this folks are for subscribers as I mentioned this morning a new profile was attempting to form and that this profile may not take hold or may change now this is my advanced Doppler tool out here and what you will see and by the way it has changed let me just turn price off that way subscribers know exactly what they are looking at and this morning what we had I believe was a bearish structured profile care I think was bearish and structure out here the center line of that box has moved it has shifted to basically dead smack in the center 1504 20 the bottom is 1472 80 and the top is 1535 50 so Lee very possible that price is going to make its way all the way up to 1535 again I don't control price action but it's just the patterns that we're taking a look at that you know you ask me do you get in now here you what you've got inside of Goldilocks the series of lower lows lower lows and lower highs out here and so price may bounce all the way up to 1535 out there the top of its new daily profile but I won't know if this profile is really going to form what do you mean use an advanced tool let me put the other tool up here to show you the profile and now you'll see it and so you will see that the one that we were just taking a look at is the advanced Doppler Stevie system out here at this stage of the game Lee if we were only looking at this profile and it's not wrong to do so if we were looking at where is it that price would stop on a move higher it would be the center of that box and that level is at 1506 we're trading at 1510 $4 no big shakes out here so that my answer to you has got to be the same and it is no I don't I don't see I don't see the I don't see it I don't see it but I could be blind I shouldn't really say that to go to see the eye doctor yesterday but in any event I so that's what I'm looking at you're looking at what I'm looking at if you've got a different analysis then you know hunkered down if we take a look at the GDX just out of curiosity see what it is doing out here do we take we took a look at LED GDX out here see what it's doing with regard to profiles so you're asking about the GDX course I was focusing on gold what's the GDX doing trading below the bottom of its daily profile not good fine support at the bottom of its weekly profile 2672 so that's okay let's go to the GDX over on Stevie's other charts let's see what they say because in essence you're really asking about getting into the mining equity out here what kind of pattern do we have any kind of bottoming pattern out here we don't have anything inside of Stevie's system what we do have is on the GDX notice how Stevie's oscillator on changeline is turned from green to red did that today so there could be more of a countertrend rally right up to resistance which is 2797 out there now right now it shows that it's a hammer candle out there would that change my mind no the only thing that would really change my mind here Lee would be would be closing over Stevie's red line to 2797 right now it looks like just a countertrend rally up to that level before the next selloff takes place or inside of gold it could be the top of that new profile again I don't know if that is going to form or not so I hope that that helps you out at least with regard to the way that Stevie is reading the charts we got Jerry writes in and Jerry wants to take a look at Roku R-O-K-U and could I please take a look at it I can I don't know what Jerry is looking at if he's short if he's long at this stage here my analysis it really doesn't matter what do we know about Roku trading below the daily profile and this is a brand new pop star trading it has a brand new profile that just formed let me start over a brand new profile that just formed the bottom of that box out there is 101 0 1 the top is 109 81 out here doesn't mean that it's formed bottom but it's trading in between support and resistance below the weekly and there is no monthly profile out here has it bottom has Roku bottom isn't that the question well let's see the low out here was made on bar number 8 of a TD setup 9 count this says Roku at least wants to bounce to where folks Stevie's red line 1 14 59 since 1984 Basil Chapman has been using the Chapman wave methodology to advise traders of his expert market opinion well originally hand drawing charts from the late 1970s into the 1980s Basil noticed that prices under most circumstances virtually always had a certain number of likes to the upside before declining sharply later Basil found the computer software which included the standard market technical indicators enhanced the degree of accuracy and calling price turns as well as market trend calls thus was born the Chapman wave sequence using the Chapman wave methodology along with other indicators Basil Chapman advises his subscribers of his expert market opinion each market day with his 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count you want to watch 96 bucks Jerry that is its last breakout area on its weekly timeframe chart of price closed below you then you're looking at sixty one eighty five inside of Roku so right now it looks like just only a counter trend rally versus a bottom that signal could change if resistance levels begin to fail so in the last minute out here it looks like we're going to get to everything let's answer Mike's question about CBL so let me type that in here this is great perfect worked out great I think we got to everybody's question if we didn't I super apologize I thought I got to everybody inside the den so this is a CBL and associates property real state company as a broken its daily uptrend in essence out here as we take a look at it here's what's going on inside of CBL on the daily timeframe it appears that price is I don't boy the daily timeframe I don't have a good read I don't have a good read so I'm gonna skip the daily timeframe daily's trading below the bottom of its daily profile that formed yesterday so that says okay this thing may head lower weekly timeframe out here you know would say to me price may head down to 73 cents out here I don't have any real clear signals prices trading above the top of its weekly box so that's at the 113 level watch that Mike if price closer below that that says 84 cents would be in line out there for ticker symbol CBL and I don't see a bottom per se on the monthly timeframe chart but I need more than just a 10 seconds to look at it a folks thanks so much for being here stay tuned your favorite polar bears up next Tom will Brian to take us on home I'll be back with you at 1 o'clock on terrific Thursday have a wonderful Wednesday look forward to seeing you soon


What I want to share with you today is to have a conversation about building belonging through podcasting. And I want to chat you through what's worked, what mattered, what really ultimately didn't matter, and some of the challenges that we're still facing around building community, building belonging through podcasting. So the context for this conversation is really two-fold. It's building belonging through podcasting. So what do I mean by building belonging? And for me, it's the process by which we, both as individuals but also as a community, as a group, whether it's in this room or it's the entire word camp or it's your local meetup back in your neck of the woods. We as a community but also we as individuals create an environment where people feel welcome. People of any and all kind, I know that's kind of an awkward way to phrase it, but regardless of gender, regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of gender identification, of race, of culture, of language, all people should feel welcome in the WordPress community. They should feel welcome everywhere in the world. That's a little bit of a challenge these days, but if we can start with the WordPress community, we can build from that. So it's so that people feel like they matter, like they're valuable as individuals and their presence in our community is an asset to our community, both as individuals and as a group, as a community, through podcasting. So given the download counts of our podcast, I'm guessing that most of you probably are not listeners. Yes, thank you, sir. Give that man a prize. It's called hallway chats and shows available wherever you listen to find podcasts, but we're also online as you can see here at hallwaychats.com. I'll get into the specifics of that, but that's kind of the context. Signals at screen. Come on. There we go. Little tech issues on the screen here. So let me share a little bit about my own background in building community. And just like we heard from Raquel Lanfield this morning about how she became a community builder over time, in steps, in stages, my own journey was quite similar, not from mother and wife, but from non-community member to a community member. I first attended my first WordCamp in 2011 in Philadelphia and I went back, no, I'm sorry, in 2010. I went back the next year. It was such a great experience. I went back the next year. The following May, so May of 2012, I started the Philly-Berb's WordPress Meetup with the really the support and generous kind of push, if you will, from the Philadelphia WordPress Meetup. Kind of had one of those go to their Meetup. So, you know, maybe somebody was interested in, I don't know, maybe starting another Meetup, not too far from here. Oh, that go over. And they were very, very supportive. Started talking at WordCamps by 2014. I was involved in organizing them and I've organized WordCamp Philly 2014, 2015. When US came to town, we did 2015 and 2016. And then 2017 and again for 2018, I'm now the lead organizer for WordCamp Philly. I still run the Philly-Berb's WordPress Meetup and I talk and volunteer and attend more WordCamps than I should probably admit in public. But all of this is really just to say is that this can matter, this community matters a lot to me. I've invested a lot of my time and energy and money in it and I've gotten even more back from it. So, that's kind of where I've come at. I've done everything locally, not everything, but my focus has been locally. So, that's our context. But in January of 2016, 2017, I was going back and forth on Twitter with, God be the name of Joe Casabona, who runs a, if you started, and is the host of the How I Built It podcast. And he has something like 20,000 downloads a month. And what he does on his show is he asks people in the tech community, so how'd you build it? And Joe and ultimately Tara Clay is a friend of mine through the community. Didn't know her very well, but kind of met her at a couple of WordCamps kind of thing, maybe like you're making new friends this weekend. We were talking about wanting to do podcasts, but not really having an angle, not having an interest. We haven't found something that I felt that I could do weekend and week out or month in and month out, really be interested in, that other people might be interested in, and that would actually be fun. I didn't want the, so here's what Liam thinks this week show, because even my mother wouldn't listen to that. I mean, maybe one episode to say she did, but that's fine, son, that's fine. But then Tara, again, who I didn't really know that well, we were friendly but not friends. People kind of get that relationship. She messaged me and says, hey, I've got this idea. I'm kind of thinking about looking for somebody to do a podcast with. Would you be interested in getting together to talk about an idea? Of course. So Tara's on your left, I'm on the right. In case it wasn't clear. So over about six weeks, we held a lot of Zoom calls, went back and forth on Slack and on Twitter and email even, and we were exploring ideas about what we could do together, what would excite us, what would engage us, what did we feel would be of interest and value, and not only to us, but back for the WordPress community. And as we heard from Amy Copeland yesterday, the keynote speaker, we really wanted to help people. And as Amy said, helping people is where it's at. So we kind of wanted to do it as a gift back to the WordPress community because of everything that we've gotten. And to be clear, we didn't see it as kind of a pompous gift. Here you go, we're so magnificent. Here is a podcast that you may listen to. But more of, what can we create that the community would see as a gift? What could we create that would want to address that kind of community work that we were doing locally? How could we do that online? So took us about six weeks of going back and forth. Terra's office is generally very clean. Mine is a strategically placed camera. But there we go. So on June 1 of last year, we launched our first podcast. That's Jess Riley. She is a single mom. She's a web developer. And she has her own business. And I don't have a favorite podcast. But that's, if you're going to listen to just one of our episodes, my recommendation would be that one. Give it a go if you don't mind. So we've, we've now published 44 episodes. And if there's those of you in the room who could figure out that it hasn't been 44 weeks since June 1 of last year, it's been a little bit more, it's because we originally were going to do a fortnightly show every two weeks. But we got such a great response from this episode with Jess that we very quickly changed to become a weekly show. So our count is off, not because we're incompetent, but because we changed slightly. I mean, we are incompetent, or I am, but that's not why our count is off. So here's a little bit of our format, because I think it'll be helpful if you understand the show and how it works. And basically, as I said earlier, we're trying to interview folks across the entire WordPress community. We really didn't want it to be the friends of Terra and Liam Show. And we really wanted to talk with people who weren't so well known within the WordPress community. You know, to, to use kind of a boring phrase, we wanted John and Jane average. And not that they were average individuals, but that they weren't, you know, the, the, the people that are keynoting word camps that are on a lot of different podcasts and are doing things that in some ways might be seen as very, very successful. We wanted to talk to the folks who were, as we say, we're making a living with WordPress and we're just living. And we wanted to talk to whites. We wanted to talk to blacks. We wanted to talk to Latinos and Latinas. We wanted to talk to Asians. We wanted to speak to people in America. We wanted to speak to people in different countries. We only speak English. So that was our own limitation. But we have since spoken to and we look to speak with non-native English speakers. And so we've really, and we, we try to talk to developers and to designers and to project managers and copywriters and business owners and employees and employees of agencies and employees of businesses and non-profits. Really trying to, the same way of, if we all kind of identify ourselves by these various tags here at WordCamp Atlanta, we kind of want to talk to one of everybody. We'd love to talk to all of everybody, but from a logistical standpoint, we can't. So while our show uses WordPros, it's a focus. It's really more of a backdrop. Because what we talk about is success. And personal definition of success and a professional definition. And how do those come together for our, our guests? And what does their definition? And then how do they work to achieve or maintain or when they fall off the road towards success, how do they get back on it? So we talk about life and we talk about children if they want to talk about children. And we talk about their partner if they want to talk about their partner. And we talk about kind of the work-life balance and how it all comes together. And that's what our show is in a nutshell. And roughly 30 minutes or less. The show, not the talk. The talk will probably be about 30 minutes, but that's different. Okay. Oh. Actually, it is going to go on about 321 minutes. I have the director's cut with me today. So in the write-up to my talk today, the one that got posted on the WordCamp Atlanta website, I promised that I would talk through a number of how-to and insights and lessons learned. And before I actually get into that, I wanted to make it very clear to you folks today that the, the slides that I'm going to share, the content is not just mine. It is also from Tara. Tara and I started the podcast. Tara and I worked together weekly on it. And some of the insights and the lessons and the valuable points that we've extracted out of our experience were hers, some were mine. And I haven't really delineated who's our hers and some of mine because it's sometimes it would be, she would have an observation, oh yeah, I guess I do feel that way too. And vice versa. But ultimately, these slides are mine. So if there are typos or things do come across wrong, they're mine. And not Tara's. She's not here to defend herself or disavow it. She's actually in Japan right now. So here we go, here we go. So giving a voice to the unheard. And I hope that doesn't come across as really kind of too profound or too high on our own soapbox, so to speak. But really by talking to the folks who don't normally get the microphone, who weren't necessarily standing at the front of the room talking about this, that or the other thing. Who may, who may not be running the, the, the envy of the business community in their neck of the woods. We want to talk to those people and we want to, not that the other people aren't valuable, both intrinsically and instrumentally, but we really want to talk to the people that reflect the diversity and the value of this entire community. And the, the feedback that we got on social media, when we're at word camps individually, Tara and I, people come up to us. Tara even got the, oh I recognized you by your voice. I was a little jealous. But this is, this is a, this is a connection that a lot of people that we're hearing from really like. They like that, hey that's just like me. Hey, I recognize that person. I recognize myself in that story. Because we ask questions and we share the questions with our guests before they come onto the show, many of them have spent time preparing and thinking about how they want to answer it. Not only to, to do service to the show, but also with the understanding that it's a podcast that will be on the internet forever. They might want to think about what they say before they say it. But by serving as a story outlet, a storytelling outlet for them, we're really letting our guests, the individuals in this community share their own story and their own words. So we ask questions and they respond. We don't then, you know, tell the story in our words or rehash it in any way. It just is there. So they own their story, they own their words, they speak at their own pace and in their own way. Some of our guests have been very, very candid about some very challenging points of time in their life. Others have been less so, but it's, it's just they, we welcome them to share as candidly as they feel comfortable doing. And that seems to strike a connection with listeners. Shining the spotlight on the guest. The show really isn't about terror. It is not about me. It is about our guests. And Tara and I sort of have this view that what we think of the show doesn't matter. What we think about the topic that we're talking about doesn't matter. As far as the show is concerned, I'm not saying our opinions are of no value generally, but we really want to know what the individual's thinking, how they came to this, how they manage that, how they deal with this, how they respond to that. And so by, by serving as effectively a validation tool for our, for our guests and therefore for the wider community, by shining that spotlight on those individuals, we're able to make it very clear to the community that there are more people like you, like you, like you, like me, like anybody here. There's somebody out there who has some kind of similar or shared experience. We focus on life, not just work. Work's a big part of our lives as adults, but it's not the only part. And by, not just focusing on work, we both think that where people are connecting with that work isn't who they are. It's just a part of what they do.  Their value doesn't come from their role as a web developer, their role as a designer, their role as a project manager. I spoke a little bit about this earlier when I was talking about the kinds of show that Tara and I were trying to create. And certainly as hosts, it's really fun to talk to people who have hugely different experiences that we have. And we're not even really trying to compare. We just want them to share their experiences. And that then helps the wider community. There's somebody out there like me. I've been through that. I wish I had known that bit of advice that they just shared, because that would have been really helpful to get me through that similar situation. But by talking to people in different countries, we've been to Canada, virtually of course. Canada, the Netherlands, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Australia via Tasmania. And we're always looking to talk to new people. So we really have gone pretty far. So what's mattered? What worked really well? The written transcripts of our show. We originally wanted to do them really just for an accessibility, to be able to let people who might have hearing challenges read the conversations. But we've been really surprised that more than one, we're going to have a huge listenership. So not thousands. But we've had a handful of people who are fully hearing say to us that they love just reading the transcripts, because they can read very quickly. So they can get through the transcript. And if it's engaging enough, then they'll listen. But that was something that never even occurred to me. And to have that, and then to be able to serve a community in a way that we didn't expect has been really interesting. Yes, that was our focus for doing it originally. But the point that I was sharing was that those who don't have those needs were also engaging in a way that we didn't expect. Terra is very organized. And the flow with which we bring guests onto our show, we let them know the schedule, we let them know the questions we're going to ask, we give them a sense of the tone that they're going to take, that we take on our show. We don't expect them to listen to all of our episodes in advance. The follow-up that we do after the show has really made it easy for our guests, they tell us this, to be engaged with it. As I said, we don't talk to people who are on loads and loads of podcasts. So they don't really know what to expect. They're not sure if this is the right way to go about it or not. They're not sure how to answer things. So by making it, by treating them really as the stars, I don't mean that in a superficial way, but really kind of catering to their lack of knowledge, their lack of experience and trying to support them through the process, it makes it very enjoyable for them as guests and very easy. Regular publication, I don't know how all of us listen to podcasts if we listen to them right, then they come out. But there is definitely a notable portion of the world that listens right when the show comes out. And the fact that we publish at the same time every week, at the same time on the same day is valuable to them. In retrospect, I wish I didn't make the choice to publish at 5.30 in the morning. But we do. Because we're not a live show, we can stop. So in our before we record conversation with our guests, we chat about kind of the we're going to talk for 35 minutes here, that's going to work technically. But we make sure that they understand that they can share as candidly as they feel comfortable doing. We remind them that this is a podcast. This will be on the internet. But that said, it's not live. So if they get halfway through an answer, and they realize, I'm no longer comfortable saying it this way. Or I don't want to talk about that person in my life in this way. Or I don't want to say it this way, they can stop. Okay, we'll just ask the question again, we'll keep the audio recording going and we'll just take the bit that you want. And what we found is that to really help people be much more candid than they might otherwise be, because it's not live, they don't have to measure their words as closely. This really, really, really surprised both Tara and I. So for each of our guests, we send a handwritten thank you note. And the positive feedback, the sense of value that they get because we went to the trouble of sending a handwritten thank you note has made a huge, huge difference to them. And I suppose it kind of comes back to that human connection and that community sense and that belonging. But that was really surprising to us. You thought a couple of people might find it interesting, but that so many people enjoyed it at that level was helpful. Social media, one of the challenges that we have, because we're not interviewing people who are well known, is that nobody says, oh, I'm going to go listen to that show because I want to hear that woman's views on this.  She's done some other show. But the more that we tweet about an episode and talk about it and schedule things over a number of days, the higher our licentorship goes for that episode. And I'll talk about some of the challenges around that later on. But the more we engage on social media, the more that we augment the community work we're doing through the podcast with social media, the higher the number is the more engagement we get. This is a logistical thing. Having two hosts is really helpful. From kind of just getting a podcast live and running it on a weekly basis, having somebody else to do some of the work is really, really helpful. And Tara and I have fallen into a nice little rhythm where she handles her tasks and I handle mine. And we just kind of chose them on what we wanted, but everything gets done that way. And then kind of in a silly but very practical sense when we're actually during the conversation, if one of us spaces out or, you know, something, the lamp falls over, we can't, we don't really want to stop the recording, there's somebody else to jump in. And there's somebody else to kind of handle the hosting side of it. So that's been kind of nice. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. And we have gotten positive feedback about the flow that Tara and I have with our guests. So having some kind of dynamic between people, again, it helps make the conversation seem more authentic and build that belonging. So what didn't matter? When we were getting ready to launch the podcast, we were doing research in which microphone should we get and what equipment do we need and how are we going to record and there was a lot of emphasis in blog posts and YouTube videos and podcasts around sound quality, you've got to have great sound. And ultimately what we found is you don't. I mean, it's nice. And if you listen to like an NPR produced podcast in your car, it sounds a heck of a lot better than hallway chats. But if what we found though is that if the content is there, if the conversations are real, if they're genuine, if people, the listeners are making a connection with what they're hearing, they will tolerate whatever sound you give them. And I don't mean that in a condescending way. We try to for good sound. We do spend time and energy and money. But we just don't sweat it. We just don't care that much because it's much more about the story and the humanity of it than the quality of the sound. And this is a similar point. When we were starting, we were trying to do all sorts of different apps and recording GarageBand and so we could have the speakers voices were all on separate tracks so that we could edit them. And if if I cough, we could take that out of the podcast or if Tara said something and then we could just blip that out. But ultimately, we ran into kind of the challenge of, oh, use a PC. OK. Well, then you have to get Audacity. Tara and I don't have Audacity. We don't know how to use it. So it was all these kind of the logistics of, we just want to talk to you. What can we do? So we just kept coming back to, it doesn't really matter. As long as we can get decent sound, suitable sound, they won't care. So we use Zoom. We do a video call with Zoom and Zoom will output both the video and the audio separately. So we saved the video for posterity and for when NPR has us on. We can have a little video montage. But all we do is output the audio and we have a sound a sound post production sound person who takes care of it for it, cleans up whatever we need to do and that's how we do it. So it's simple. It doesn't, it's about belonging. It's about community. It's about people. It's not about technology. Correct. Correct. Z. So what challenges have we faced? To talk to the lesser known people who are not friends of terrors and friends of mine automatically means we don't know them and we don't know where they live or how to get in touch with them. So that's a challenge. So we rely on social media. We rely on coming to word camps and talking about the podcast and we rely on email and we rely on just trying to get the word out so that people know about it and it's a real, real challenge. And it's not impossible but as Tara and I are both doing this really just as a side project from a creative and community gift perspective, it's difficult because we don't have I'm going to go travel to three or four word camps in Europe this summer so I can meet people. We'll have some thousand dollars to do that and we'll like traipse around for three or four weeks in Europe. And because we're not interviewing people with huge Twitter following their huge social media presence, we don't get any kind of amplification. When our host, I'm sorry, when our guest has 43 Twitter followers and they long on to Twitter every three or four weeks whether or not they need to, you know, they're tweeting about the show three weeks later and that's okay. It's not their responsibility to promote the show. I don't mean that and they need to do more way but rather it's how do we build the community as Raquel was telling us this morning. It's about meeting in real life but the very nature of a podcast in building community is we don't meet in real life and if we have to meet everybody in real life we will be limited to locations that Tara and I can get to. So it's a challenge and Tara and I only speak English. She speaks French probably well enough to do a podcast with some polishing I could speak Spanish enough but you know, unless we had three or four translators it would be a difficult live, multi-language 30-minute podcast so we just challenged in that way. When Tara and I were thinking about putting this show together we were both very adamant individually and then we agreed collectively that we this was not going to be a business for us we did not want to make money out of this. You know, if some big company said hey this is a great show and I want to give it a million dollars would you guys do this full time you would probably consider that. But we didn't really want sponsors we kind of toyed with a little bit we chased it a little bit but we had already done the budget we knew what it was going to cost we agreed to split it 50-50 it's not free but it's not a huge amount of money and we both looked at it as a marketing business cost and we both let's just do it and then you know we'll assess on a regular basis do we want to keep doing it but because there's no money in it it's difficult to get done from time to time and that's not a complaint it's the very nature of if we love it we'll find a way to make it happen and we're still loving it so we're still making it happen. Go ahead, question. Open to something like a Patreon so people could donate to patronize the podcast as... Yeah, that's a great question and I'll repeat it just for Mike and audio. So the question was are we interested in doing anything like a Patreon connected to the podcast and what Patreon is is a way for the general public to donate and support our our effort without having us to set up like a PayPal donate page or anything like that and the short answer is no we have I mean we've thought about it and we don't want to do that I guess we're kind of waiting for that company to say here's a million dollars and if they don't we want to keep going well I think that's kind of it I mean you're joking all or nothing but it's we want to do it to build community and once we start to make real money out of it even if it's not a million you know if we're getting five hundred or a thousand or two thousand a month you know that's not retirement money and it's not even full time money but that's a fair amount of money then are we doing it for the money or are we doing it because we love it and we're trying to make sure that we do it because we love it okay great I want to hear it I totally want to hear it okay yes thank you thanks well I'm almost done so um but that's the challenge is how do we run it as a side project how do we commit to it when we both have our own businesses and families businesses to run and families to support so I guess wow we're done so thank you all I really welcome your questions and your constructive feedback and if it's not in this group setting you know I'll be here at least for another hour or two before I have to go feed the parking meter uh but thank you very much that didn't come off very well thank you thank you question two questions first what is your budget and second do you find that people are downloading the transcripts and using Google Translate for their particular language so what is our budget I should have had that but it's give me just a second it's about 45 dollars per episode 50 bucks per episode plus the equipment that we want plus domain name registration plus if you throw in like part of the reason I got a paid zoom account it's not just for client work but also for podcasting so all in all I think we kind of were looking at around $2,000 a year split two ways maybe it's $2,400 or maybe it's $1,800 I can't remember off the top of my head but it's about $1,200 per person per year so the question was are we hand transcribing is no and that's where our cost is we pay a service to transcribe we share the audio file with them before the episode gets published they type it up send it to Tara somehow I don't know I'm not involved in that and then she copies it and pastes it into the podcast blog post I'm supposed to be in person with somebody and doing an interview if you found any challenges doing it via zoom on a video call so versus real life we've only done one episode in real life and that was at WordCamp US and we were lucky to interview Bianca Welds who was in from Jamaica and that was actually harder because we were just in a hallway and we only had our laptop and kind of the environmental control plus the people walking by and the sound on the overhead was more of a challenge but the reason we do zoom for the video is so we have that face connection and so that we can see that she's ready to ask us something or she got stunned by that question I'm going to keep talking so that she can think about what she wants to answer that kind of thing so we also have a run up to it so we talk for 10 or 15 minutes before we start the show I'm going to go with the back the gentleman in the blue and I'll come up one then I came in a little bit late I just wanted to know where the podcast is found hallwaychats.com you can find the podcast at hallwaychats.com and Pam how much time would you spend? there is a fair amount of time and this is another reason to have a co-host because when my week is crazy Tara does most of the work and when Tara's week is crazy I like to think I do most of the work but there's not here to say I don't but any episodes an hour is what we book so there's a little bit of run up there's a little bit of the courting itself and then the follow up, the recap the prepping the files, getting them out to transcribers and to the post production team to do that for us there's social media there's preparing the post itself there's reviewing that, Tara preps it all and then I go in and review it and add the audio file keeping things straight some weeks we'll record three episodes other weeks we don't record any then there's social media and sometimes I remember to schedule things and sometimes it's oh, okay, yes, I will tweet about that how about now? so anywhere from maybe an hour to maybe four or five depending I'm going to come here and then go there your equipment did you go online determine what equipment if that's worth for you so the question was about what kind of equipment that we went with and I went to Joe Casabona because Joe writes about it and he podcasts and he's willing to spend more money than I am on podcasting equipment so he said, Joe, what did you start with not what do you have today so if you go to Joe Casabona if you Google him, he will have written blog posts about what to get I have a blue Yeti Mike I don't know what model anymore and I have a little Mike stand there you go, blue Yeti Lauren, one is $85 thank you, go ahead social media, when we do it it helps coming to word camps really helps the handwritten thank you notes to the guests that really encourages them I think I haven't asked them directly but our past guests seem to be very supportive of us, if they're on Twitter they support us, they retweet us, they like it they comment on some episode not every guest every time but that kind of thing really, really helps we thought about doing stuff like newsletters and it was until we get the million dollar grant we're just going to keep it the way it is go ahead do you make them sign anything like a release form? we will now no, we don't have anybody sign any kind of release for being on the podcast but you raise a good point of course, why shouldn't we, why don't we I suppose one could argue legally that by the fact that they applied to be on the show we interviewed them, if we don't know them at all we'll do a little prep interview are you articulate, can we understand each other do we like each other, do we want to talk so the process that we walked them through I suppose if we had a good lawyer she could argue that this is, that's enough of an agreement, there's a contract there I'm going to go right here and then to the back there did you primarily use Twitter or you said social media but all you mentioned was Twitter yeah, because I can't stand Facebook even before I don't hate Facebook, that's such a strong word anyway, but I, yeah, mostly just sold Twitter and that was a decision that again, kind of Tara and I were thinking how can we contribute how can we share, how can we do it in a structured way that doesn't overwhelm us Michael how did you find a transcription service you liked I asked Tara there's enough people blog, podcasting in the WordPress community, they're all on social media and ask him I would go back and I would ping Joe Casabona on Twitter, I don't know that he does transcripts but other people do I can certainly figure out who we use and let you know go ahead do you have any techniques for capturing a good take, or is there any way that you can convey to the editor like we want to make sure that this piece got in here we don't do a lot of takes unless there's kind of like a verbal trip and I can't pronounce my own name or hallway slaps wait, sorry, we're going to start over again but it kind of goes back to not being live we allow our guests a little bit more time if they want to think about it and they want to come up with it and we'll rephrase it what's the best thing that you do what's a really good thing that you do let's take the stress of best what's something that you do we don't do a lot of takes we called it hallway chats because we wanted to mimic the hallway conversations that you have at a word camp you don't do a take in a real life conversation it's not the same thing exactly but no we don't do a lot of that we do some of that and then Tara lets the post production sound team know hey can you get rid of that at about this time stamp there's this and something else but it's mostly as you hear so are you guys marking it through the time stamp or is she going back and re-listening and marking I guess I guess it kind of depends if Tara will have us do some kind of clap or something to create the sound but she handles all that side of that I have a different role so I'm going to go over here and go ahead so we have the video on zoom but we don't want that stress for the conversation so you know we come to word camp and we shower and we get dressed up and we go in nice and we as nice as we feel like we're not right but then my face and my movement is going to be on the internet forever and we just didn't want that stress we use zoom so that we can see each other and have that personal connection and have that eye contact but not because we wanted it to always maybe I'm old fashioned or new fashioned but I like seeing guests talk and react like you were talking about before I would agree that there's absolute value in that but to come back to the guests that we have is most of them have not been on podcasts before much less video casts and we didn't want the stress of that to be off-putting you had a question and I was going to ask you the way to the end and it's been the end did you want to ask again what that question was? I felt bad I kind of jumped around I wanted to come back it was so cool I was just thinking with regards to your community and also there's a podcast I listen to lore and they talk about a way to cultivate the community through Patreon so that people who pay and get additional things but there's obviously no pressure on that now mind you they do have sponsors on the podcast so I guess my question statement brainstorm was I'm interested to see if there's a way to cultivate some way of differentiating the cost to you guys something you're doing on the side while you're like hey thank you so much for being a Patreon here's I don't know maybe the video or some little action and I like that idea and I like where you're heading and the challenge I think is the wrap up time to get Patreon to the point where there's value versus what can we create without adding another one to four hours per week so that's kind of the way to be perfectly blunt about it the way that Tara and I look at it is the lessons that we learn from this from a marketing standpoint will deliver commercial return to our businesses so that is your ROI the ROI is also the community kind of that but in a financial sense we will learn more about podcasting we will learn more about how to market things we will learn what works on Twitter and what doesn't in this and that and get better at that kind of non-cash way yeah absolutely I'm going to come here and then I'm going to swing this way yeah so there's a lot of different formats that work and I think live has a great dynamic to it and the engagement of having people tweet in or chat in questions can be really fun and exciting kind of throw a spanner in the works and where is this going again thinking back to the audience we're talking to people who aren't typically in front of an audience and so we're trying to craft an environment in which they feel most willing to step into but yeah I think those formats definitely can work, it's not a format that we chose but they can definitely work I'm going to come down here and then jump to the back sure yeah I mean those I don't know that it would come from that specific angle but we shared those kind of concerns we wanted to be genuine and authentic without feeling like it's a big show we wanted a real conversation not a PR piece if you will it can be, yes it can and then we go all the way at the back there okay excellent job done okay yeah that's a great idea that's great okay and there was a third point that's an option I'm going to come over to Kathy and yeah no thank you and that's that's a great example of it and I remember you being in the car alright here we go no it's not that I have an issue in making money I'm pretty cool with making money no it's more the am I doing this because I want to make money from it or am I doing this because I want to contribute and build a better community and if I'm doing it because I want money that's not the right motivation that's not the right intent if I can focus on community and money happens in a way that is transparent and genuine and appropriate well yeah that would be wonderful I'm going to make a big comment say we love the community that you're doing here's 2,000 what is your bills what are your monthly out costs we will cover that we're not going to pay your time but yeah of course I'd be interested in that but once it starts to make enough money where it becomes job-ish then I need to be very careful because community is more important than money Jody correct if we have no idea like if I've met some people here I might say hey you should be on the podcast so I'll have met them but where do they live what's their story no I don't know do you have a set of questions we do no we have a range of questions the 2 that we ask are what is your definition of success in some phrase we'll ask that be a personal professional combination of both and then the other question that we ask always ask is the best piece of advice that you have been given and implemented in your life so those are the 2 that we absolutely go with but then we have this list of other questions and as we tell kind of in the run up to the show while we're chatting with them is we are going to let the conversation go where you the guests lead it and within that range we will try to get to as many of these questions as we reasonably can which is kind of nice right it's very nice we do we don't know them at all we'll do a little 10 minute, 15 minute chat beforehand just like can this person talk do I want to talk to this person kind of thing and that's about it and we kind of deliberately don't research because it's not you know Jody come tell us about this great thing you did that one time that was really interesting on your bio page it's oh my gosh this woman that we just met wow and in fact if you listen to the episode that we just published in Caba the Cameroonian moved to Nigeria to learn English became like an award winning journalist and then moved to the US and he's running a WordPress driven news site focusing on Africa if you listen to that episode he kind of finishes his intro and tear on like oh crap where do we go with that that's just wow there's so much there we don't even care about WordPress ugh and it was so neat and he was saying these things so I'm googling like is this real because holy crap this isn't time but yeah he is wow so it's that kind of it's that wow factor the kind of same way in the hallway where you meet somebody like oh my gosh you went through that wow thank you for sharing that wow kind of thing so yeah we like that we haven't been stung by it yet I wonder at some point if we will go ahead yes yes and we also have a version of the form that says I think you should talk to this person and then one of those questions is do they know that we now know who they are kind of thing because we don't want to be like hey your friend said that like who so uh yeah so that's how that's how we we get new people that we don't know yeah thank you yeah I'm getting back to that legal appreciate that you got me covered awesome I like you yeah yeah that is awesome that is awesome who else anybody thank you so very much for your comments and your questions and your feedback thank you thank you