Good day everybody. This is Dr. Sanjay Sanyal, Professor, Department Chair. So this is going to be a demonstration of the anti-authoristic world that we have already removed from the cadaver. So first we will show it from outside and then we will show it from inside. So let's take a look at the salient parts first. This is the manubrium sternum. This is the body of the sternum and this is the Zephoid process. This is the manubrium sternum joint which forms the sternum angle of Louie and we can see it is projecting forward and we can feel it in our own selves. And attached to either side of the sternum angle of Louie, we have the second rib, second costal cartilage to be more precise. At the Zephi sternum joint, we have the seventh costal cartilage inserting here. Now let's take a look at each rib and the costal cartilage itself. This is the place where the first rib is attached to the manubrium sternum and above that is the Articular facet for the clavicles which have been removed. These had formed the sternoclavicular joints. This is the second rib as I already mentioned and this is the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh. We notice that the costal cartilage is the terminal part of the rib, the medial portion. Before that is the bony portion and at the costal cartilage it makes an angle and it goes towards the sternum. This is going to play a significant role when I mention the muscles. The next thing I draw your attention to are the muscles themselves that we can see here. If you take a look, these muscles that we see here, these are the external intercostal muscles. These muscles are used only during forced respiration in what is called the thoracobdominal respiration. External intercostal muscles, they go from the rib above down to the rib below and they go in the direction as if like hands are in the pocket. The purpose of these are to elevate the ribs during forced inspiration. The external intercostal muscle as it comes towards the sternum. It becomes a membranous structure and I should show that membrane structure on the other side here. If you take a look, closer to the sternum it does not form muscle anymore. Now it's called a membrane. This is called external intercostal membrane. I have lifted it up here. I'm going to lift up the other side also. You can see it here. This is the external intercostal membrane. So therefore, closer to the sternum there is no muscle, external intercostal muscle. There is only external intercostal membrane. Now let's take a look at the next muscle under that and for that we will come to a lower portion here. We have removed the external intercostal muscle and we can see another muscle underneath and we can notice that the direction of fibers are different. The direction of fibers are going from the rib below to the rib above and they are at right angles to the previous muscle. This is the internal intercostal muscle. This internal intercostal muscle has got two portions. One portion is between the bony part of the ribs and that is called the interocious part and there's another portion which is between the cartilaginous part of the ribs and that is called the intercontral part. The two of them have got different types of action. The interocious part is responsible for depressing the ribs. Therefore it is used in forced respiration for exhalation while the intercontral part is responsible for the same action as the external intercostal. It is responsible for elevation of the ribs. Now why is it so? It is a simple law of mechanics. When the direction of muscle fibers are almost parallel to the direction of the ribs then they will produce elevation and when they are at right angles to the direction of the ribs they will produce depression. In the region of the costal cartilages the intercontral part of the internal intercostal direction of fibers are parallel to the direction of the ribs and therefore they produce elevation just like external intercostal. But in the interocious part the direction of fibers are at right angles to the direction of ribs and therefore they produce depression. So that is based on a simple law of mechanics. Seventh rib is attached to the zephyrstinal joint as I already mentioned. The eighth, ninth and tenth ribs are attached to the seventh cartilage. Therefore they form what is known as the intercontral articulation. The first rib articulation is a synchonrosis. Other articulations are synovial joints where there is a little bit of movement possible but with advancing age they become ossified. This angle that you see, this is the costal margin and this is called the infraternal angle or the subcostal angle. Incidentally this structure that we see attached to the zephyr process, this is a remnant of the linea alba which is a part of the abdomen. We shall not talk about this anymore. Now I am going to turn this and we shall take a look at the interior of the chest wall. In a living person the interior is entirely covered by two structures first. First we will have the parietal pleura and under that will be the endothoracic fascia. In certain parts of this dissection we can see a shiny white structure here that is the parietal pleura. But we have removed most of it along with the endothoracic fascia and we can see some of it in certain parts of it. The next thing that we see are the under leg muscles which we have already described. The main thing which I would like to show you in this side is these vessels that we can see on either side of the sternum. Just to orient you this is again the inner surface of the manabrium sternum. This is the juggler notch. These are the facets for articulation with the clavicle. This is the first rib here. This is the articulation with the body of the sternum. This is the body of the sternum itself and this is the zephyde process. Let's now focus on these neurovascular structures here. We can see one artery running down from the neck all the way on either side of the sternum. This is the internal thoracic artery also known as the internal mammary artery because this is an important artery which provides the medial mammary branches to the female breast. That's why some books also refer to it as the internal mammary artery. This internal thoracic artery it comes from the first part of the subclimane artery and it descends down. And as it descends down in each intercostal space it gives two anterior intercostal arteries which are quite small and we cannot see them in this particular dissection. And these anterior intercostal arteries, the anastomus with the posterior intercostal artery and its collateral branch. This happens up to the sixth intercostal space. From the seventh intercostal space downwards, this divides into a musculophrenic artery and a superior epigastric artery. The superior epigastric artery runs like this towards the abdomen. The musculophrenic runs obliquely and supplies the chest wall adjacent part of the diaphragm and the adjacent part of the abdominal wall. In the seventh and eighth and ninth spaces the musculophrenic artery gives the anterior intercostal arteries. This internal thoracic artery on the left side is used for coronary artery bypass grafting, the so-called left internal mammary artery bypass, lima bypass. And in very small percentage of cases in females, LIMA has been used for bypass and they have documented an area of breast necrosis because as I told you this internal mammary artery provides important circulation to the breast. But this incidence of breast necrosis is very, very rare. It is something in the order of 0.003%. Now let's take a look at the next structure next to the internal mammary artery, this bluish black structure that we see here on this side and on this side. This is the internal thoracic vein. The internal thoracic vein below the second rib is in the form of a vinae comitantes and we can see it here. Vinae comitantes means accompanying veins. One on this side, one on this side. Above the level of the second rib, the two of them unite to form a distinct single internal thoracic vein. Similarly we can here see, we can see this, a very small one on this side and a very small one on this side, but above it becomes a single one. This internal thoracic veins, they drain into the brachiocephalic vein respectively on either side. Both these are trees and veins. As they descend down, they enter under the transversus thoracus muscle. Now we have removed most of the transversus thoracus muscle just to show you the vessels, but we have kept a few remnants of that. We can see one muscle fiber here. We can see a little bit of muscle fiber here. Similarly we can see some remnants of muscle fibers here and here. These are the remnants of the transversus thoracus, which is actually a part of the innermost intercostal muscle. The transversus thoracus muscle fibers, they go like this, like this, like this and like this on either side and these two vessels, they go under the transversus thoracus. So this is what I wanted to show you in this particular view, the internal thoracic artery and its significance. Now let's mention a few quick clinical correlations pertaining to the chest wall itself. So for that I'm going to turn this again. So now again we have come back to the external surface of the chest wall. We use the intercostal spaces for various procedures, like for example putting in a chest tube. Before that we have to give anesthesia to the intercostal space. We must remember that the intercostal vessels and nerves, the main intercostal vessels and nerves are running in relation to the lower border of the rib above in this groove called the costal groove. But all of them give a collateral branch which runs in relation to the upper border of the rib below. So therefore when we give local anesthesia, we have to anesthetize both the branches, the main branch of the intercostal nerve and the collateral branch. The next point is when we are doing any intercostal procedure, we have to put in the trocar of the needle far from the lower border of the rib above and not very close to the upper border of the rib below, so somewhere here. And the usual site is the mid-axillary line in the fifth intercostal space. Now let's mention a few quick words about how to approach the chest itself through the chest wall, so-called thoracotomy. We can do a midline anesthesia which is usually done for CABG and that is called a midline sternotomy. We open the sternum and after the procedure we close it with steel sutures. We can do anterior thoracotomy where the pericondrium of the cartilage is removed by making an H-shaped incision and the cartilages are shelled out. And then we can open that is anterior thoracotomy. Another more common procedure which cannot be shown here but I will demonstrate it here, it is done from the posterior lateral aspect and that is called posterior lateral thoracotomy. That is done not through the intercostal spaces but it is done through a rib. The periosteum of the rib is incised, that portion of the rib is shelled out and we approach the thorax through the bed of the rib. That way we give the advantage of both the space above and below. When we suture the periosteum back the rib can grow back. So that is called posterior lateral thoracotomy through the bed of the rib. So these are some approaches through the chest wall, sternotomy, anterior thoracotomy, posterior lateral thoracotomy and other procedures. So these are the few salient points that I wanted to show you in this particular dissection. Thank you very much for watching. Dr. Sanjay Sanyal signing out. SIP is the camera person. If you have any questions or comments please put them in the comment section below. Have a nice day. Please like and subscribe.


The legendary Tommy Lasorda coached the LA Dodgers for 20 years, leading them to two World Series Championships during that time at the helm. Part of the reason why he is so revered among the Dodger faithful is because how he wore his heart on a sleeve when he came to his love for the franchise. He best put it into words when he said, caught me and I'll bleed Dodger blue. And with that remark, Dodger blue became so much more than just a color code. So when Alex Soto was trying to come up with a name for his company, a company that specialized in creating fan travel and experiences to away Dodger games. He knew he had found the winner of Pantone 294, the color code for Dodger blue. In 2016, Pantone 294 had organized a trip to watch the Dodgers play at Yankee stadium. They sold 1,555 tickets, maxing out seven planes, three hotels and two yachts on the Hudson. They then marched into Yankee stadium and took over left field. Pantone 294 made their presence known by stretching an absolutely massive flag across the outfield. The story called fire. Pantone 294 was published in nearly every major newspaper publication, including the LA Times, the New York Times and ESPN. This was the game that Pantone 294 on the map. And ironically, it's the reason that the Yankees refused to sell them tickets now. Today we shot with Alex, the founder of Pantone 294 about the first trip over 10 years ago way before their infamous Yankee stadium appearance. What is like booking an entire plane for next year's trip to watch the Dodgers play the Padres in South Korea and the steady growth that has gotten them to where they are today. All right. Welcome to the podcast on day show. We're talking Alex from Pantone 294. People don't know what does your company do? Thanks for having me. What we do is we organize Dodger trips all over the country. We support the Dodgers. We travel New York, Chicago, Miami, San Francisco. What we do is we get buses. We travel. We get planes. We get hotels. We do pre-parties. And we average about 17 trips a year anywhere between 500 people and 2000 people per trip. I think one of the hardest things, at least from my mind mentally, is getting a group of people to show up. That's always a thing that's like, to me, when people can do that, it's pretty unbelievable. When you first did it, what was like your first desire to set something like this up? I think for me, I'm right on point, right? Trying to do a family party or let's go to a concert, a group of eight people, it's so hard. Texting everybody and this and that. So I think the reason the business, Pantone grew is because I started running as a business. So back in 2009, we were at Dodger Stadium in Lafayette, Pavilion. We had a bunch of season ticket holders and friends were like, we should go to San Francisco. Watch the Dodgers. Everybody kind of looked at me because I was like, well, you don't worry. I'm like, I used to be an engineer for 99.6 Only Story. So I was at a lot of free time, a lot of free time. And I call a giant, I bought 56 tickets. I rented a bus. And when you do that, just walk me through what that's like. You call. Who do you call? I get asked that a lot, right? How do you get tickets? It's easy. Because it's not ticket master. It's not.  So what I did is you just Google. So the team has like a marketing. And they have a group sales department. That's right. You just call them. Hey, I need 56 tickets. Yeah. Watch your credit card. Here you go. And then you get the tickets. Obviously that's easy. That's the easy part. When I started, you rent a bus. At the time, I was spending like $2,000 for a bus. That fits 56 people round trip. Same thing. You're just calling a bus company. Yeah, just calling people. Yeah, calling people. But it's one of those things that as the company grew, you can't just buy 1,000 tickets, right? You can't be a ticket scalper, right? So I have great relationships with all the teams. And the reason teams sell me tickets is I put packages together. I don't sell the ticket. I sell the experience. Because of that, in 2013, I needed a website. I needed content. I needed photos. I needed video. I needed to show teams that, hey, I'm not just buying thousands of tickets, I'm then reselling for a profit. I'm putting the packages together. I'm taking fans and knocking on the wood. 13 years, we've never had a fight. Never had an incident. Never had anybody arrested. Which is, I think, wide teams still sell those tickets. But we are playing the Yankees next year. I called them. You're paying them. No, I called the Yankees. I told them I wanted tickets for next season. Because the Dodgers are going to play in Yankee Stadium in June. They said they can't sell me tickets. Because we had an incident back in 2016 where I took 1,500 people. I sold out seven planes, three hotels, two yachts on the Hudson River on 9-11. And we just, we did the roll cut at Yankee Stadium. Because of that, you know, I went to ownership. They got embarrassed. You know, we made LA Times, New York Times, New York Post. I mean, it was everywhere. And because of that incident six years ago, they don't want us to go back. But I just told them, we're going. What was the incident? The incident is like, we just took over Yankee Stadium. You Google Dodger take over Yankee Stadium. They don't like that. That seems so odd to me. All right. So let's go back to like your first, or maybe the moment like you realize you had a business. And so you put together this event. So it sounds like the logistics of it are kind of straightforward. You call the team, you get the buses in order, you're putting up a lot of money. Or are people, before you're buying the 1,000 tickets, are people already purchasing the package? I think for me that 2009 trip, it was 80% was friends and family. So I only had to sell like 20 tickets to fill up the bus. Everybody had a great time. The Dodgers won at nine and one. There was home runs by James Loney, Russell Martin, Matt Camp, Andre Aether. Following the year, they're like, we should go back. So it was kind of easy. That's kind of where the mouth. I think I sold the bus within like 10 minutes. 2011, same thing, we just did another one. 2012, we did it again. At this time, it was just fun, right? Yeah. 2013, when social media started popping up, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook. I don't like doing Mickey Mouse shops. If I'm going to do something that's sort of the right way. So I was like, we need a name. We need a website. We need a social media. So I got four of my friends and I was like, what should we call ourselves? Right? So we were on a group chat. Actually, back then, we didn't have group chats. So it was an email thread, right? John Fayette, what's the perfect name? I didn't want nothing thuggish gangsters. I didn't want an army. I didn't want a crew. I didn't want anything like that. I wanted something that was symbolic to Dodgers without saying Dodgers. Back and forth for three months, Karina. Three months back and forth, we were the blue tsunami, the blue tidal wave, the heart of LA.  I don't disrespect all my friends that are watching. They're dumb. Yeah. I was taking a shower one night. I always wear Dodger hats and I was like, I need a new hat. I'm a graphic designer. So my background is computer drafting and design. I need a new hat and I wasn't going to go to Lids. And I was like, man, I wonder what the first color of the Dodgers is. So I stopped. I had shampoo in my hair. I didn't even wash my body. Turned the water off. Went straight to the computer. I googled what's so official color of Dodgers. Pantone 294. And it just hit. I photoshopped a quick logo and I was like, Pantone 294. That's it. That's it. People always talk about Dodger blue, Dodger blue. Dodger blue being so symbolic. Dodger blue is Dodger blue. Well, what is Dodger blue? It's Pantone 294. So I sent it out to my friends and they're like, that's perfect. So that's how it all started. And then at some point, how do you personally start making money? You know what? I think I started making money from the beginning, but I was only making like $5 per person.  I saw the business and when I started doing it in 2013, I started like bigger trips. I started doing my first trip, which was May 17, 2014, when I was owner. I sold 200 tickets. I made a little bit of money. I did a trip in June, San Diego. I made a little bit of money. I did a trip in San Francisco. I made a little bit of money. But I used that same money to invest into the group. Going back to when I had my four friends that they were helping me with the group, I was like, we need to invest. At the time, no one wanted to invest. No one wanted to, you know, put money out there. I had just gotten laid off from Nine Nincents only store. So I decided either go find another engineering job or go full-time with Pantone. I had like $7,000 in my bank account and I invested it all. Got a website, social media. I started printing shirts, branding, marketing, flyers, going to events, letting people know. Marketing, you know, guerrilla marketing, like in person. And that's how it started. You know, so I think for the first seven years, it was hard. I lost a lot of friends. A lot of friends. I was always busy. I was always busy. I was trying to grow it. I was doing social media. I was doing emails, planning. You know, a lot of my trips, people don't know that. We plan our trips almost a year in advance. Like a year in advance. For example, Boston. We're going to Boston August 25th. The city in the world. I love Boston. It is second best city after LA. Okay. I sold out Boston back in November. And how many people was that? 2,000 people. So 2,000 people. You know, it's 1,900, 1,940. Let's round it off to 2,000. The Fenway Park. The best park in the world. It is. It is. It's small though.  But I love it. I've been there seven times. Love it. Love Boston. Yeah. There's nothing like that. There's nothing like that city. It's so beautiful. It's crazy where the park is located. You're from Boston, right? Yeah. But it's also like growing up there, you sort of realize, it's so special. I can think my favorite baseball game, oddly enough, was in LA. So I went to a World Series game. 2018. Yeah. And it was here in LA. If you grow up in Massachusetts or New England, it's freezing in October. Yeah. And so any game is miserable.  It's not fun unless they win. And then it's fun. But if it's like, if it's just the middle of the game, it's freezing. And so it was the first time I was like having a beer. I was outside. It was sunset. And I was watching a baseball game. And it was like, there's nothing like that. And they won the World Series in 2018. Yeah. When you talked to these teams directly, what's the hard part? The hard part is a first-timers. For example, I've never been to, let's see, next season we're going to Detroit. I've never done a trip to Detroit. It's calling, getting a rep, explaining what I do. Because a lot of people, first things, why do you need so many tickets? Well, this is what I do. We put packages together. Got it. We travel across the country. And it's still you doing that? Yeah. Okay. I personally reach out to everybody. Yeah. Letting them know who we are, showing them videos, showing them websites. Oh, okay. All right, cool. That's the hardest part. I think once we, obviously we have relationships without MLB where everybody knows who Pantheon 24 is. So once I call, it's kind of a funny story. Let me go back to Yankee State and the Yankees. So I called. I need tickets. All right. Is this Pantheon 24? I'm like, how'd you know? Well, I'm going to be honest with you. I've only been here two years, but you're in our training videos.  Because obviously the Yankees don't like fan groups at Yankee Stadium. So it's one of those things that what's the hardest part?  Obviously through teams. There's turnovers, you know. So you got new employees, new reps. But my biggest reps, the people who love me, who I have great relationship. And people get shocked when I have a great relationship with the Giants. I have a great relationship with the Angels. Padres, it's a great relationship with the D-Back. So it's one of those things that I've been working with them such a long time that my credit card doesn't get denied. We're all good, right? I find it shocking to me that a team, I guess even a Yankee scenario, wouldn't, they wouldn't want to work with groups. Because it's got to be, maybe in their head it's like we have the demand anyway. We'd rather Yankee fans come support the Yankees. It's one of the, I don't want to say we embarrassed them. But we took over Yankee Stadium. It was just crazy. People Google Dodger Yankee Stadium take over. But what's the downside of that? Like why do they not like that? It was just, we were loud. We were the home team. We were the away team flying 8,000 miles. But that's amazing. And it was in September. I think during that year they weren't in the playoffs. We were, that's the year that we lost against the Cubs. It's one of those things that we just took over Yankee Stadium. And I think that's the game that put Pantone 204 on the map. I'm surprised these companies, even the high level, like so even maybe the MLB doesn't, they don't look to partner with groups like you or with you specifically. As far as us, no one's reached out. Luckily we've been- Do you find that surprising? No. Yes and no. Obviously we've had, as the company has grown, we've had a lot of big companies reach out. They want to sponsor. They want to put the brand with us. But we're not at the point where someone said, hey, work with us 100%. I think we've been able to build our own brand where it's just us. There's no investors. There's no debt. There's no loans. It's kind of been organically where the company has grown. We're profitable, obviously. Yeah. When it comes to at a high level, you're sort of great at bringing people together, creating the experiences for these individuals. And then when I apply that, you can do that in anything, right? First of all, you can cover all sports. Yeah. But you can also do that, even if it's like a getaway weekend somewhere. Have you thought about doing anything like that? I also own a separate company called Fancation. Okay. It's the same thing. Same concept. At a lower scale. It's called Fancation, invocation for the fan. We've done King's games. We've done Laker games. We've done Ram's games. And I'm a radar fan. So we started a group with Fancation, but now I'm part of the Oost Nation, where we're doing packages together to Vegas. The same thing I do for Pantone at a smaller scale. Sure. Okay. College football, college basketball. Everything. Anything that sports. Obviously, Pantone 204 is Dodger Blue. I cannot take a... I know you're a Celtic fan, right? I can't take a Celtic fan and promote the Laker Celtic game on Pantone when it's a baseball group. So I have Fancation. Invocation for the fan. We do all sports, every team. Anything that you're able to put a trip together, a group of 15 people, that's off on separate business. Is it hard to get a plane? Yeah. How do you do it? It's a lot of money. How do you get a plane? Who do you call? You call United? I've been doing... Yeah.  No, there's a special line. So obviously, the Dodgers are playing the Podges in Korea next year. South Korea. I called Korean Airlines. Lucky for me, I live in downtown. There's a block office like two minutes away. I set up a meeting and I'm talking to like the executive of the West Coast region of Korea. How much does it cost to rent a plane? There's two things. Either you could charter a plane which is from here to Korea, it's like a million dollars each way, which is not affordable. A million dollars, seriously. If you take it on your own. Or you could charter 80% of the plane and that's how you get a group ticket. Which is how many seats? It depends on the plane. I think on that one it's just like 400 people. So I'll be able to reserve like 200 tickets. And what do you... And you get each ticket at like... 1500, ballparkish. That's a lot of money.  Could you do it so that like if you keep doing this with them, they can put like your logo on the plane? No, it's just they flight three times a year. For them it's just... They could sell it anyways. It'd be pretty cool though, wouldn't it? It'd be dope. So I actually used to work with N570 and we used to do spring training trips through Camelback and they would actually... Because they have a partnership with the radio and Southwest would put the logo on it and put them on the chairs of every seat. As soon as you walk in, it like looks badass. What's your dream? What's the vision like this? You know what? My passion is sports and travel. For me, I've traveled the world. I love sports. I just came from Qatar from the World Cup. My passion is just traveling and learning cultures. Like when I travel, I don't like staying at hotels. I don't like staying at five star hotels. Mary, I saw that. I like to stay where the people live. I like to stay where the people eat. I like to learn about the culture. I like to learn how they live. And that's my passion of traveling and then my passion of sports. And I just combine it. For me, as long as I'm around sports, that's what makes me happy. But what really makes me happy is seeing people happy. Starting in Pattinson, there's a lot of people that don't have money. I learned that there's a lot of people who have never left LA County. So when you take them to San Diego, you take them to San Francisco or Arizona, they're like, man, I've never left LA. I love it. And I do payments. I do payments so it's affordable. It's like a payment plan. You leave a $20 deposit and then everything's not due to like a month before the game. So it gives you time.  So you float that personally. Yeah. So that's where I invest. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people think that I just call and like, oh, you get tickets and you sell them, but people don't know that I'm taking the risk. I got to drop like six, seven, 15,000 per game. There's 15 games. And I got to fund everything a year in advance. And people don't see that. That's why I gamble.  So my job is to knock on wood. I've been able to sell every single ticket. My job is to be able to sell every single ticket or else I'm out. So a lot of people don't know that. When you think about most people, perhaps in our community, they really don't leave like 30 miles of where they grew up. And when I think about Boston, I grew up 90 miles from Boston. And so just going to that, going to like a city, some people never get to experience that. And so you're offer, you can, you're sort of transporting people into a different world. That's, and that's where I was going at. Movies trips, on the trips and the games and events, everything we put together. I'm always working. I'm always people watch. I love to people watch, right? I love when people are having fun. If you're having fun on my trip, I'm having fun. What about, what about things like concerts? Like Taylor Swift is here right now. You know what? It's one of those things. It's kind of hard. You can't buy tickets. I can't tap into everything. My passion is sports, right? I don't want to do anything like I tell all my friends. I even tell all my employees, there's a day that comes and this becomes a job. I want you to come and tell me, so you can quit or for me to fire you. I want you to have fun. We're working, but we're having fun. If you're not passionate about it, it's a job, right? I wake up every day like I want to go to the office. I want to reply to emails. I want to start planning. I'm passionate about it. So am I passionate about concerts? Yeah, you know, but it's like I'm not that passionate about it. Like my passion is sports. So I want to make sure I want to put the best packages available. I guess my brain explodes when I hear what you're doing. And I'm like, how do I skill this? And I go, all right, cool. Let me get the Alex version of the Taylor Swift variety. I mean, I'm sure there's groups out there. There's groups out there, I'm sure. At a smaller scale. I don't think there's no one doing it at the scale that we're doing it. That's what I'm saying. You could find people doing sport packages, concerts, or Grand Canyon, or Napa wineries, right? But it's like a little sprinter, 15, 20 people. Everybody could do that. But can you take 2,000 people to a winery? Can you take 2,000 people to a Taylor Swift concert?  You know, it's taking me to where I got my first like, real money. It took seven years. I've been doing it for 13 years. The first seven years, you know, every single dollar that I used, that I made, it went back into the business. I didn't touch anything. I had my, I was $200 in my bank account. The business had money. I didn't have money.  The windows wouldn't roll up. And I was already making money with Pentone. But every cent that I made went straight to the business.  Well, we, I do work with Michela's. We're trying to do bigger events, watch parties. I think it hurt, COVID hurt everybody, right? You couldn't, so my business is watch and travel. During COVID, there's no traveling. There's no sports. There's no meetups. So after that, I think now the brands are coming back. Now I have been sponsored by Eraduda and Tito's. We're having actually a watch party next week. It's one of those things that I want to do that. So where it kind of leads me to like my, I have three faces. Face one is to kind of build Pentone as big as possible, right? Make it huge, just thousands of fans. I only have like 125,000 followers on Instagram, but we're in LA. That number should be a lot higher, right? So my job is to tap into a new audience and just keep growing the brand. Face two was to open up a sports shop. So my brother used to be the manager at the Dodger Clubhouse where he helped all the stories in the one in Hollywood, the one in Manabello, the one inside of Monica, and he built it up, right? But I think it got to a point where you got tapped out, there was no more growth. So we decided to open up our sports shop. So we opened up a sports shop in East LA. It's LA sports, but it's kind of Dodger themed, right? So we have a lot of customization with Dodger items, jerseys and all that. Face three is... And do you license like the MLB logo? Yeah, everything is licensed. So obviously we have licensed products and then you have your custom jobs like custom shirts and this and that. Face three is to open up a sports bar. Careful. I know it's hard, you know. Tell me what it looks like. I'm not very yet, right? The conversation just started, right? I think we have the audience and the idea comes behind there's no sports bar in LA. There's not that one bar in LA. There's not that Dodger bar. What do you mean? When you say something like that, what's the problem with sports bars in LA? There's small, no parking, traffic, distance. I think for us, it's finding... It's not the money. We have the money. And if I don't have the money, I'm pretty sure I have investors. I already... I'm pretty sure, like, because you own a couple of restaurants and bars, right? So what's your biggest problem? You got to get people in the door, right? I think for us, we have the audience. If we were to open up a bar and say, hey, we're grand opening next week, pants on bar, we would have a line around the corner. Would you put it in Chinatown or would you put it? It would have to be like a two mile radius from Dodger Stadium. The Art District, Borough Heights, East LA, you know, that side of the town. But the problem is you got to find a location that has parking. I don't want a small bar. I don't want a big bar. You got to figure out what's the right location for a bar. Would you fix anything in particular about, like, the screens or anything? Like, is there anything you don't like? No, I think I love TVs. So I think if I was to own, like, 200 TVs, 300 TVs, you know, I'm an electronic guy. So, like, if you have an 80-inch TV, I don't want a projector. I want a nice TV. So I think that's the problem we're dealing with is finding a location. Who's your demo? Like, if you were to say, these are the people that, are they Latinos, are they like, who are they? Our business started with Latinos. Obviously, I'm Guatemala, my personal from Guatemala. First generation here. I was actually born here, but I don't learn English. I was 10 years old. Funny, I don't know why. It is. I took ESL to, like, throughout high school. I started. Remember, I was making $10 deposits, right? Affordable. My friends, you know, at the time, they didn't have money, but they went. But there was, like, $100, so then it was a lot. You know, there was 13 years ago, we were in our mid-20s. So for them, it was a lot of money. It started off as all Latinos. As the company started growing, I started seeing, like, you know, just the white people and then black people and then Indians. And then I would always keep my prices cheap. It wasn't until 2017 that I did rooftops after the Cups won the World Series. We couldn't get tickets to the opener. So we ended up getting the rooftop. $350. I didn't make a single dime off everybody because I thought that was a lot of money. So I priced, I got it for $350, and I sold it at $350. Why? Because I wanted to get content, just an experience. I didn't want people thinking, man, he's selling tickets at $350. I sold out in an hour. Everybody had fun. I think that's the chip that kind of made me realize, like, man, like, it's not just lower level. There's a lot of types of people. Anaheim as well. Anaheim 2018, I bought 2,300 tickets. And I want to say 80% maybe 75% was white. So it's one of the things like, man, it's not just Latino groups and it's so diverse. My group started with just Latinos, but right now you have people 18-year-olds, you have 70-year-olds. I get a lot of requests, hey, I'm on the older side, you know, I have bad knees, you have all the people going to the trip. What's like your most memorable trip that somebody proposed? It's got to be New York, 100%. We made the newspaper. It was just that trip. While we were there, I believe we started where we had like 10,000 followers. By the end of the game, we had 35. It was so instant, it went on TV. I mean, it was just viral. So viral that I remember I was a little bit intoxicated and I got a tap in the back. My name's, I forgot her name. New York Times, can you do an interview? I had a partner back then and she was like, I'll do the interview because I was drawing. So it went on New York Times, Yahoo Sports, TMZ, LA Times. It was on Sports.LA and it's one of those things that that game is what people still talk about. Even though it was seven years ago, people still talk about it. Do you guys do viewing parties at theaters? No. It goes back to COVID, right? Like right now, I think everything's back to normal. Whatever normal is. But before, we used to do watch parties all the time. But then I think after COVID, it kind of just like I don't want to say just put me down where you couldn't do events. We just started focusing on having better experiences on the road. Which leads me back. Why do I want to have events at different locations? I should just open up my own location. And that's where the idea came from. If you can do watch parties and you can sell those, those are going to be super affordable. 20 bucks a seat. I actually do have a partnership with different third-party companies that reach out to me every time they're screening. They give me like 200 tickets. I've got tickets from Sony, Paramount, Lion and every time there's a good movie, I get tickets. And instead of me selling them, I just get them right back. Usually when people give me stuff, I'll get sweets. I get them right back. I try to, when I'm handing anything for free instead of me, for me it's just like this is a sweet, right? For other people it's like, ooh, it's a sweet.  So anything I get for free, I get it right back. I mean, I just think about the viewing parties. It could be such a moneymaker, so easy. I think having a bar with a location that has big enough open space and big TV outside and LCD TV. I do do viewing parties. I do opening day parties as well. And you know, the money comes in. So that's why we're very focused on like trying to find a location and just kind of finding one. How big is the company now? The whole organization has 13 employees. And then after that, it's kind of like I started laying people off and then we started doing Zoom. So now we're down to four or five. What's next for you on this whole thing? The bar. The bar. I need the bar. I think the bar is what's going to elevate us. Like I said, I already have the audience. Everybody's like, after the game. Would it be a Dodger bar? Yes and no. I don't know.    What happens after baseball season? We got football season, right? We got the World Cup coming. We got Copa América, we got Copa Libertadores and we got the Olympics coming up in the next four years here in LA. So the same audience that, the same people that we traveled, for example, as me as a radar fan, 20%, 30%, 40% of that same group are radar fans. So it's easier for me to just transition them to football. LAFC fans, same thing. My daughters are Mexican. 98% of my friends are Mexican. So when we're Mexico players, that's another viewing party. So it's the same audience. We're all into sports and we love to travel. I wouldn't do it a baseball bar. I think it'd be just a sports bar. What does it look like when I walk in? TV's everywhere. People having fun. What's on tap? You know what, here's the thing. I'm not into, I don't like beer. It's not that I don't like beer. I don't know how to burp. I don't like beer. I mean, yen, I get blown up, right? I'm a Jack and Coke guy. I love Jack and Coke. Everybody knows it's like a funny thing. People don't even have to ask, here's your Jack and Coke.  So it's like, I got two. So it's like, I gotta finish it or I gotta put it away. But I think it's one of those things that I don't want to hold on the wall. But I think at the same time, I don't want something bougie. I don't want something fun. I want something that when you walk in, you feel where the country is. The reason is not to make money. Obviously it's a business, right? But the reason is, if you are in St. Louis and the dodgers aren't playing in St. Louis, I want you to go to the game and meet up with other people so that you don't feel like you're going there by yourself, right? The reason Pantone Starter is like, we were all traveling separately, but we're not traveled together. It's kind of fun. Like me and you, we go to go to Boston, watch the game. We had a good time. But if me and you go with 2,000 other people, it's the same thing. I want to be able to build that culture all over the country. Everywhere we go, we just came back from San Diego. I'll show you photos later. I like 800 people there. And it was actually a nightclub. They're not even open. I called the owner. Hey, I need a spot. Can you open? He's like, no, I don't open until 8 o'clock. I'm like, I'm gonna bring a thousand people. You make a lot of money. I'm not asking anything. I just need a place to party. He said no. Two days later, he called me. Hey, are you still available? I Google do. You're legit. I want to do business. Sure enough, he opened up. He made like 30 racks. And I didn't get anything. I didn't ask for it. So I think I'm at the point where I do all these events. I'm helping people make money. Now it's my turn. You should make some money. You should make a commission off there. A rev share. Is that what's next for you? There's a couple of bars giving me money here. Would you raise capital or no? For the bar? For anything. For the bar. I don't think for a pantone, I don't think I need it. I think the money's there. I think to open up a bar, I probably need investors. I'm not in the bar industry. I do have one of my best friends owns a bar in Westminster. I'm not a bar guy. I don't know how to manage people in the restaurant business. I don't know if it's $16, $24, whatever. I know how to manage business. I don't know how to manage a bar. So I think I would probably need an investor. Obviously, being in LA, trying to open a bar, you probably need land, right? You need a lot of money. So of course, I'm open for that. I don't think I'd be able to do it on my own. I love it. What type of people are they going to find you? Where they can go to the next experience? You know, it's kind of easy. Just go to Pantone on social media. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Pantone294, P-A-N-T-O-N-E 294. And you go to our website, everything's there. You know, our website is very easy going where all the details are there. It's very manageable. We're trying to rep our custom merch right now. So that's what's next right now. We're trying to put more content out there, more merch, and hopefully people buy them. Yeah. Thanks, brother. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much for the support and making it to the end of the episode. If you haven't already, please do review and show the episode with your friends. If you never want to miss a beat on all things entrepreneurship, make sure to follow us on socials for daily content. See you next Tuesday for another great episode.


Hello, I'm Marianne Chan and I will be at the 2022 Filipino American International Book Festival reading from all heathens. This book is about my family and our immigration from the Philippines to the U.S. by way of Europe. And it's also about Ferdinand Magellan and the narrative of the first circumnavigation of the world. So, of course, Ferdinand Magellan was a Portuguese explorer who during the 1500s was trying to find a westward route to the Spice Islands on behalf of Spain. And his arrival in the Philippines marks the beginning of the history of Spain on the islands. And so, in this book, I wanted to explore that early history of colonization and think about the ways that history impacts Filipinos today.


This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including Brad, Kevin, Paul Thiessen, and our new patrons, Donald, Michael, Antonio, and Saud. On this episode of DTNS, Threads Becomes More Fetter Verse C, Disney Plus Raises Prices, and Shannon Morse tells us all about the latest from Black Hat USA 2023. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, August 10th, 2023. From Studio Daraje, I'm Sarah Lane. And from Columbus, Ohio, I'm Rob Dunwood. From Studio Colorado, I'm Shannon Morse. And the show's producer, Roger Chan. Well, we've got quite a bit to talk about. We are excited to talk about Black Hat with you, Shannon, a little bit later in the show. But first, let's start with some Quikats. Instagram's Threads Social Network, obvious ex-competitor, has placed a new Fetter Verse friendly feature in our interoperability with Mastodon. Now you might say, how does that work? Well, by placing links in a Threads account that you control, and also having a Mastodon account that you also control, the Mastodon account can show a link to your Threads profile with a check mark indicating you're a verified owner of both accounts. The news for Google Docs users who need their remotely signed documents. Google has moved the feature from alpha to beta. Access for individual Google Workspace users is rolling out over the next couple of weeks. If you're an enterprise admin, you'll need to request the feature through a form. If you're a free Google Doc user, no word yet on when or even if you'll get access to the feature. U.S. President Biden issued an executive order on Wednesday prohibiting U.S. citizens from investing in advanced semiconductor and quantum computing business in China. The order also requires investors to report to the U.S. government on direct investments in Chinese companies that make AI and other semiconductors. Good news for Google. Oh, I just read that one. Let me read the one I'm supposed to read here. Amazon started scaling back its private label business last year after disappointing sales and also criticism from lawmakers. The Wall Street Journal sources say Amazon is now eliminating 27 of its 30 clothing brands such as Lark and Rowe, Daily Ritual and Good Threads. After Amazon sells off the remaining inventory, its own clothing division will be streamlined to Amazon Essentials, Amazon Collection and Amazon Aware. Sources also say Amazon is dropping private label furniture. Autonomous sidewalk delivery robot startup Serve Robotics, which previously spun out of Uber's acquisition of Postmates, is going public. Now you might have been familiar with something called Postmates X, which under the hood was Serve Robotics, delivering to Postmates customers in multiple neighborhoods in the LA area in 2018 with a commercial service launch in 2020. The deal was completed this month and regulatory filing show it's a reverse merger with Patricia Acquisition Corp. Now, as of the merger closing, Uber holds a 16.2% stake in Serve and Nvidia has an 11% stake. All right, Rob, let's talk about Disney. What's going on? Well, Disney has some bad news and some more bad news. The company announced Disney Plus lost 11.7 million subscribers in Q2 due in part to India losing IPL cricket broadcast. Disney Plus now has 150.1 million worldwide subscribers, but there's more that's going to make us feel some kind of way. Disney announced it will raise prices across its live streaming packages starting in October. And Disney CEO Bob Iger said the company plans to begin cracking down on password sharing in 2024 and potentially better news. Disney will expand its less expensive ad supported package to Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Norway, Sweden and Denmark starting in November 1st. So as of October 12th, Disney Plus premium, that's the one with no ad jumps from $11 to $14 a month for US customers. Hulu without ads goes from $15 to $18 a month. And then the Disney Plus and Hulu standalone ad supported tiers will both stay at $8 a month and the bundle for those two will stay at 10. But the main thing is that the big ones get more expensive. Shannon, what do you think about it? I'm so disappointed. I'm one of those people that has constantly had all of the streaming services. And honestly, I was going through them all just last night and looking at my watch list and going, which one of these should I cancel? Because all of them are raising their prices right now. And I'm not a big fan of watching ads. So I never really pay for the lower tier options, which are ad supported, just because I don't want to waste time watching those advertisements. I can fully understand why there might be families with smaller children who may not want to purchase the ad supported options for Disney Plus either. Like they might be more interested in doing password sharing so that they can get the non advertisement tiers that do cost more, but then they could share it out to more people. So the fact that they are cracking down on the passwords and then they're raising the prices, I can just see a lot of negatives here. Well, Netflix was in the news quite recently for the exact same thing, as far as crackdown on password sharing. And over the most recent quarter for Netflix, we're not talking about Disney, talking about Netflix. The company said, yeah, I mean, some people canceled, but by and large, we got a lot more signups, which indicates that a lot of people who might have been password sharing with others said, you know what? It's time. I'll go ahead and sign up and give the company, you know, my money. I would assume that Disney is thinking the same. At the same time, you know, if you have declining enrollment, so to speak, what do you do besides raise prices? Unless you're going to make everybody who's, you know, looking at your public company numbers disappointed. So I think an issue that streaming services are going to now have it. I know for me, I've been, I've been a court cutter for several years now.  But another big reason I did it was because it was just simply less expensive. Now with all of these price, you know, price hikes, or literally every single one of these platforms, you're getting to the point to where cable companies are actually not looking unattractive any longer as far as what they charge you. So I think that it's a game that these companies are going to have to pay. We, you know, we need to be profitable, but we also can't put the prices up so much that our customers start dropping us and going back to traditional cable because cable is really, really inexpensive right now. Yeah, I was always sort of wondering at what point do people start saying, you know, is cable really the worst idea in the world?  Uh, probably not for me, but one thing I have been looking into a lot more is the over-the-air, live free streaming services like Pluto TV, like Plex. There's a lot of them out there, and I've been using those a lot more often lately. And much of it is just because it's one less decision that I have to make. I just go there and choose a channel and then it plays. And I don't have to think about what show I'm watching. It just turns on a show and it's really nice. So in that sense, like there's a bit of that reminiscence of when I was younger and I watched a lot of cable TV, but there's a lot less decision making there. Well, and you're watching what's being offered to you. Yeah. And you kind of go like, okay, great. And the content works really nicely. It is really good. It's really good content on those, on those free platforms as well. I regularly watch Crackle and Pluto all the time. Yeah. It's because there's good shows on there. Pluto TV straight up has an entire channel dedicated to Sailor Moon. So like I'm good. Well, I think Disney, yeah, the next quarter or two will probably be, it will be enlightening as far as how things are going. And this is not just Disney plus. I mean, I think, you know, all of the standalone cable alternative networks are going through the same stuff. You might have a head show and then maybe have a good quarter. But it seems like most of them are experiencing the inevitable, oh yeah, well, they're not going to pay for everybody. So if they don't pay for us anymore, how do we get them back? Well, if you are wondering why urban drone delivery systems seem to be taking their sweet time arriving in your area, you aren't alone. I wonder the same thing. Where is my urban drone delivery? Tom recently got a chance to interview Zipline co-founder and CTO and platform architect Kenan Y.O. Beck to make sense of what is holding up widespread urban drone delivery that we've been promised. One of the things that has been frustrating to me to explain to people over the years is that you will see a company talk about drone technology and drone delivery. And I've tried to remind people that there are companies doing it, not just Zipline, but Zipline was the first one that I was ever aware of. And you've been doing it for a long time. It has been largely rural. What does it take for Zipline-like services to be more common place in urban locations? Because I feel like that's where people get hung up. They're like, sure, I guess they're doing it, but I don't see it in my neighborhood. Yeah, a great question. I think it comes down to two challenges. One challenge is the delivery experience. Can you deliver precisely enough that, I'm taking a picture you're on a row house in Boston. Can you actually hit that back porch? I noticed I said back porch. We can talk about that later. But can we deliver that back porch? Not easy. And then are you quiet enough that this is actually acceptable? This can't sound like a swarm of bees. I can't say that often enough. I describe that as a neighbor problem. We all hopefully have great relationships with our neighbors. And nobody wants to put up with your neighbor getting a swarm of bees all on a regular basis as they're getting deliveries from a drone. And so you have to solve that delivery experience problem. But then you also have to solve a really interesting airspace integration problem. How do you fly safely and responsibly with all the other traffic? And really, we call Platform 2 at Zipline, which is this new platform we're working on at Zipline. This was the answer to this question. Our customers have been asking it for years. Can you deliver to homes? Can you deliver to urban and metro areas? And our answer was, well, no, because our Platform 1, like I mentioned, this long-range platform, it needs a couple parking spots to deliver it. And most homes don't have that. So why the back porch? Yeah. Security is a big thing for deliveries. We obviously started in the healthcare space where you just don't want prescriptions and whatnot in someone's mailbox or even on their front stoop. And you don't always want to have to be home. So the security and the privacy of the back porch is really powerful. It's one of the many reasons drone delivery is transformational, assuming you solve the noise. Right. Because most delivery people are not going to walk around to your back porch or can't because you've got locked fences or whatever. Exactly. And so being able to walk out there in your slippers and get what you want, the privacy of your backyard, and not needing to be home and stuff like that, it's sort of the ultimate solution to the porch pirate problem. And yeah, that's really powerful for all kinds of deliveries. Do you think it's difficult enough to operate drone delivery that porch pirates would not be able to create their own drones with grappling hooks to come and try to steal your packages? I think it'd be extraordinarily challenging to do that. I'm just imagining the kind of questions I could see in my chat room as this goes by. What about folks who don't have a back porch? What about folks in apartment complexes or smaller buildings or things like that? Is it just, well, we'll deliver to the front porch or we'll deliver to a doorway? How does that work? Yeah. So the common area is how I think about it. Right. So depending where you are in the world, this can be a courtyard. It can be a lot of places spot up on the roof where you can hang out and have a barbecue and there's a patio we can deliver to. And so it's all about common areas. And one of the things that's nice about what drone delivery versus other types of delivery is we're on time. So if you pick a window that's a minute or two to deliver and we'll hit that window. So you don't have to be waiting there. And you can just wander. When your app says it's coming, it's actually coming then. And you can step out to that common area and grab your order. Let's talk a little bit about platform two specifically. How does that work? Walk me through loading the burrito or whatever on till the person gets it from their courtyard? Sure. So first of all, you have to kind of describe it because it's definitely not, at least what we assumed we'd be building. We started this design process. I don't think what anybody assumes you would solve this until you get into it. But it's a two part system. Okay. So there's the zip up high. That's the drone. And then there's the thing we call the droid that's lower down from the zip, but the line and the droid is active, right? Has its own fan so it can fly itself and its own sensor so it can find the delivery spot. Is it a quadcopter or is it something else? Yeah. It's tricky to describe. So I just, I picture it as like kind of a toaster, like a old fashioned toaster aesthetically, a very cute toaster with a little fan on the back. Okay. So kind of like a cross between a toaster and like maybe a miniature fan boat, if I'm trying to bring this to life. And it's tethered then? It's tethered exactly. So the tether handles the literally the heavy lifting weight of the delivery. And then the fans on the droid handle the basically the any kind of gusts that might hit it and things like that. So it can stay precise delivering that really tight spot you have on your porch or wherever we're delivering to. And so, okay. So when it comes in, I'm going to go backwards through the story here. So when it's delivering, the zip will fly out and hover over the delivery site. And then the droid will lower down on that line. And the zip is way up high, like, you know, as high up as like a football field is long. So it's way up there. So imagine that helps with the noise then because it's farther away. Oh, absolutely helps with the noise. It helps with general like kind of the we give it as the UX of the experience. How does it feel like the drone that's capable of heavy lifting? It just doesn't feel like it's in your yard at all. It feels like it's way up in the sky. And it feels great and helps with the noise helps with the overall safety challenges of the layered safety systems helps with lots of pieces of the design challenge. And yeah, so that droid lowers down. It takes about 10 seconds or so and it's got its fans so it's flying as to get right precisely to the delivery site drops the package and then zoop retracts back up and then it flies on back. And so the way that when it gets loaded so it flies into this dock. The droid then lowers down so in the dock is where it gets charging and things like that. And then it lowers the droid down from the zip again to an operator who then just opens a lid puts in the next order and sends it on its way. Well, if this is all exciting to you, it certainly is to me. You can hear the rest of Tom's interview with Kenan on the latest episode of A Word with Tom Merritt. It's a podcast. You can find out more at awordwithtommerritt.com. Thanks to everybody who became new patrons and increased their pledges. As of late, we were doing kind of a push for Molly Wood because we love Molly Wood. Because of your support, we can bring Molly on the show one Friday every other month. In fact, we have Molly coming on the show tomorrow. Yay! But to reach our goal of having a Molly on one Friday every month, we need more help. If you haven't already, if you feel like you can help, do consider supporting the show by visiting patreon.com slash DTNS. Today is the final day of the annual security conference known as Black Hat where researchers report on security vulnerabilities found on online networks, software, communication tools and connected devices. Shannon, I know this is right up your wheelhouse and you've compiled a big list of what's going on. So what stands out to you? What should we be looking at? Yeah, there was a lot of exciting news, but there were three top stories that really stuck out to me this year. One of them is super fun, another one is kind of interesting, and the other one's kind of scary. So researchers from the Technical University, I know, right? Trailer, teaser. Researchers from the Technical University of Berlin figured out how to jailbreak the infotainment system in Teslas with only about $100 in tools. That's the part that I was like, wow, that's so cool. This can let you extract the encryption key used to authenticate the car on the Tesla service network and access features like seat heaters and the acceleration boost, which actually is a paid feature. So technically, you could get that for free if you jail broke your Tesla. The researchers used it for late hacks like these, but this could also allow for more sensitive data snooping like access to session cookies, Wi-Fi passwords and more. So it is a vulnerability. It could allow somebody to do independent repairs or modifications as well. Now, this flaw was disclosed to Tesla and Tesla has not fixed it yet, but they are aware and they are working on it. The second one is the one that's kind of like, ooh, that's a little spooky. The Intel and AMD CPUs. Both of those brands had kind of exciting weekends at Black Hat. Google's security team found a bug in Intel CPUs that allows an attacker to access data stored by programs, all your different programs in the system's memory, such as encryption keys, for example. So that's the scary part. The team of researchers over at Comsec found the AMD issue. This one leaks data from Ryzen, Threadripper and EPCY CPUs. So it's a pretty vast vulnerability that affects a lot of different CPUs. Both of these issues were disclosed to both of the brands and they have fixed them with software updates. So if you have a motherboard in your computer and the CPUs, just look for firmware updates for those and you'll be able to fix those and patch them on your own systems. And there were no in the wild attacks that have happened that either of those brands know of. So this was just a researched vulnerability. It looks like it has not been used in any kind of real world attacks. Now, the third one is all about radios, which kind of has a place in my heart because I'm a licensed ham radio operator, not currently practicing researchers at ODA found that the Tetra or the terrestrial trunked radio, which is used in Europe Europe for law enforcement. It's also used worldwide for like government agencies for police for prisons, emergency and military operations. It turns out those can be leaking broadcasts. Yikes. But also Tetra is used for industrial setups. So that includes things like encrypted data and voice commands for ICS is like pipelines, like gas pipelines, freight trains, railways, electrical grids. So that includes multiple vulnerabilities that they disclosed in the cryptography that could allow for decryption of all sorts of different traffic, voice and data being sent via this trunked radio protocol. Mitigation techniques were shared with the affected industries, so they will have to work on patching those. So those are my top three stories. I mean, it's a little scary, but I'm happy that we have this event happening every year where researchers can share this information. The more everybody is familiar and hopefully, you know, knows what to do. I don't know, Rob, I got to say, just because I know a lot of people who have test laws, I was like, ooh, not great. Not great. I am not an EV owner yet. But I do know one of the things that I was not liking about just where things were seeming like they were going is that, oh, we're going to charge you per month for this thing that is already in the car that you apparently paid full price for. But now you have to have a subscription for your tush to be warm in the cold months. And I remember reading about this hack a few weeks ago. And one of the hackers said the reason that they did this is because they didn't want to pay for heated seats. That was what led to them trying to figure out how they could get around this. So I'm just wondering, are we going to get to a time to where people are actually going to be jailbreaking their cars? I mean, we already have heard of like Teslas that run on the road that they were like damaged by water and people got the parts and literally built their own Frankenstein car. So they're not really official Teslas. But are we going to see, you know, folks, you know, when these cars are used, are these the kind of things that owners are going to do? You'll take it to a third party shop and they actually will go in and hack your car to get you features that you ordinarily wouldn't have. I kind of love it because I feel very, very similar opinions about jailbreaking your devices so that you have the availability of, you know, all of these paid features. I mean, if I had to pay extra for heated seats, I would go to a different brand. That's just how I think. If it's available in the car, I want to be able to use it as well. This isn't the first time we have seen Tesla jailbreaks or any kind of Tesla hacks happening at Defcon or Black Hat. Tesla is very, very popular as one of the big events that happens during the weekend at like the car hacking village at Defcon. So it's not the first time that we've had something like this announced at Black Hat. And I'm glad that we have, you know, these researchers coming forward and kind of helping the jailbreak community so that we can do things like this. Yeah, I mean, I guess the last thing I wanted to ask you a little bit more about Shannon was the radio frequencies, you know, the possibility of them being hacked. I think a lot of people say like AM, FM, AM radio, what else is going on here? But there is more to it. There is a ton more frequencies and a lot of different cryptography that goes into radio. Most of radio is not encrypted whatsoever. Like you can tune into whatever broadcast you want to. I could make a broadcast from my studio and it is not going to be encrypted. Like I don't have that. Lawfully, I could not do an encrypted broadcast because that's not what my ham license allows for. But when you have law enforcement, you have medical emergency response and everything like that, like they do have access to this terrestrial trunked radio system. And apparently these issues with the cryptography have been very widely known for a really long time, at least internally with all of these systems. But it hasn't really been a consumer known fact until now. So it's a good thing that this research paper is coming out and making this more known so that these industries know that, yes, these can be hacked. And yes, it's a problem, especially if people could potentially hurt industrial control systems and like take down an electrical grid. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good way to think about how these things actually are quite serious. It really does. Yeah. I mean, we have the pipeline that went down back in 2021, 2022 on the East Coast. And this is kind of similar to that. Like those are the kind of issues that you need to think about whenever we're talking about like ICS and how those could be vulnerable. Well, while you're thinking about this, you might also think about the fact that you might want to just clean up your office room. Maybe you have a separate room. Maybe it's just part of your bedroom. Maybe it's part of your kitchen. We all in the remote world that we all live in make the best of what we have. So if you want a computer setup that folds and tucks away when not in use, you might like Logitech's new laptop best stand designed to be exactly that. It's called the Casa pop-up desk comes with a wireless keyboard, trackpad. They all pack up together in a case that is designed to be stored away easily. And in fact, if you look at the what the company tells you, it's sort of like it kind of looks like a book in a bookcase. The Casa pop-up desk is available in Australia, New Zealand and the UK. It's in off white rose and green graphite options. And it sells for £179 sterling, which is about $229 US dollars. So, Shannon, Rod, what do you think about, you know, putting away your, I don't know, work desk to the point that you want it to be invisible into a bookcase? Would you pay for this? No. I love my work desk. It's so like aesthetically pleasing. I have like cute plants and stuff up here. Like I don't want to put it away. Yeah, I like my desk so much that I've actually got a desk here. And on the other side of the desk, there is another desk facing it. So I can go around there and do other desk related things. I like my desk. Well, you know what? I mean, could as to both of you for being like, no, I like this. My desk, I would love to put this away and just not have this, you know, in the middle of my garage where I am right now. But that isn't always, you know, an option. I think that, I don't know, I guess this is probably marketed to people who are like, I'm going to be working from home for the foreseeable future. I don't really have an office.  And wouldn't it be nice to be able to put this away?  No, no. That's just more work. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to be like, bye. Bye desk. See you tomorrow. Bye desk. I'm going to go in the living room now. All right, Rob, let's talk about what we have in our mailbag today. So Patrick wrote in with a take on yesterday's conversation about YouTube no longer showing recommendations when watch history is turned off. And he says YouTube might be trying to get more people to turn on watch history by disabling the recommendations. Those people who have the watch history disabled now still get recommendations. If YouTube turns off recommendations, perhaps those users will turn it on turn on watch history to get the recommendations back. I mean, I don't know that I would do that. Um, I, you know, Rob and Shannon, you know, correct me if I'm wrong. I, I feel like the recommendations. Okay. Every now and then I'm like, maybe I'll watch this. Oh, actually, thank you, YouTube. But otherwise I don't know that this is moving the needle too much for me. I click on them every now and again.  That's just me and my watching happens. But I do, when I think back, I do click on them every once in a while. So, you know, I kind of like them being there. So I've had a lot of conversations with YouTube employees at different events and they have kind of explained the algorithm as the algorithm shouldn't be thought of as the algorithm. The other algorithm should be thought of as your audience, other people. So how are you uploading these videos to other people and how are people being recommended your content as your audience? And the fact that they are using, well, it sounds like they're using watch history to recommend, you know, specific videos to you. And for me, that makes sense as a viewer and a YouTuber. So personally, like this does not affect me. The fact that they're saying like, Hey, you need watch history turned on to be able to see recommendations like that just, it makes sense. I don't know if I'm, if it's just me, that's just like, yeah, that's not a problem. And in terms of me, but yeah, but it's like, how else will they know what to recommend to me? Yeah, I'm like, welcome to the, welcome to YouTube. Like this is how it's been working for years. The only time I can see this being an issue is if you have like a team account, because then if, if other people are seeing your watch history, that might be kind of cringe because a lot of it is very based on personal opinion and things like that. Or at least, you know, irrelevant. You might not want to see that watch history. But if you're using a team account to figure out like, who are your competitors in the market or anything like that, then yeah, you might want to see that watch or you might want to see those recommendations. So that's one way where I could see people saying like, I don't like this, but just for like a personal account, this does not bother me. Well, Shannon Morse, you always have really good, really, really good thoughts on all the things that we bring to the DTNS table. Thank you for being with us today. And also let folks know where they can keep up with the rest of your work. YouTube.com slash Shannon Morse, just like my name is spelled. I recently uploaded a couple of pixel fold videos. I have a z fold five in hand. If you're watching the video, I have that in hand right now and I'm about to go pick up my z flip five as well. So I have a ton of foldables coming up on the channel. Definitely keep an eye out for those reviews, the comparisons, the camera recommendations, all that good stuff. Well, patrons, patrons, patrons, you know who you are. Stick around for the extended show. Good day internet. We're going to be talking more about YouTube making changes. YouTube has been very busy lately. This time designed to fight spam. But just a reminder, DTNS is live Monday through Friday. Catch the show live Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern 200 UTC. You can find out more at DailyTechNewShow.com slash live. We'll be back tomorrow with Molly Wood joining us. We're so happy to have Molly Fridays. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com.


Petrombas again, through the middle this time. Petradovs out of the traffic. Nada across from deep. And at the second time the header is in. They couldn't keep it out. Western Sydney Wanderers get the breakthrough and Jared Carluccio is the man who has found the back of the net. You can see what it means to him at first eye suzing you to a league men's goal. Well what a wonderful passage of play that is from Western Sydney Wanderers. Telling cross to the back post.  It's just a touch out of his food on the Harvey Norman replay. And the Sun may have played a role in that, but ultimately Carluccio was just hungry for the ball. LaPane trying to knock it to his own advantage just takes on Uskok. Uskok stays golfside though, lifts across, down it comes Carluccio. He scored one and he's denied a second. It hits the crossbar. Oh from Leicester. Well that was harder to miss and it was to score. Barely believe that he hasn't found the back of the net with that. Some great work from LaPane and then Carluccio. Look at that. Ball down the right side. Early ball from McGee sliding through. Meredith should have done better on the instep trying to open up his body for a left-footed strike. But the legitimate focus is not about time. Giving away. De Villa. Touré. And McArthur finished the half with a bang. So here's the resulting corner. Shouts for a foul against Naha. Not heated. The player stays down in the referee. Casey Rybel is whistling play dead here. Casey Rybel has given a free kick against Tommy Yerich. Just mark down to have a case to answer here with this arm. Over to the monitor. Now this normally only goes one way. Here's the verdict for McArthur. Here's the penalty. Wanderer's fans will be aggrieved about. Here's this Wanderer's moment. Petraros. Slides through the box. Nazarene back into the mix up. And might be sending Western City Wanderers to a first ever win against their nearest rival. Casey Rybel is checking an offside. It's just where the nata comes from an offside position and affects the play which I don't think he does. We've already cleared him.