All right, welcome to another episode of China is not our enemy. And I really want to thank Madison. Thank you for co coordinating this campaign so amazingly it's, it's a lot it's multi headed. And I want to also thank our sponsors are. Campaign is about growing a big tent that to end this aggression, it's going to take all of us. And we really appreciate our amazing coalition. And today, some of them are co sponsoring this conversation, the campaign for nuclear disarmament UK. And I want to thank our sponsors and the international peace movements resistance against the August alliance show up America, the people's forum New York City, and no Cold War Britain. I'm super excited to be today with the amazing premiere per cat per kite. Water. I agree. All right, so it wouldn't even move. He's the founding editor of news click India. He's an engineer and a science and free software activists. He's a prolific speaker and writer globally, and was with code pink on our Gaza Freedom March in 2009. He's the author, along with DJ Prashad of and Ron blowout corporate capitalism and the theft of the global commons. Be very welcome and thank you so much for staying up late and joining us from India. Pleasure to be with you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to start with you letting us know what it looks like from India, as us just lost another two wars and now it's aggressing on China. And, you know, the United States citizens know about a little of India they do about China. What it what does this look like from where you sit. I think there is one thing which of course affects directly in this particular case the Indian people that we have been having border tensions with China. It's a long unresolved border issue, stepping back really to colonial times when the borders are not demarcated. And of course that is spilled over, as it happens in various countries into, what shall we say tensions, sometimes flashes into the violence. In 1962 war on the border. So that sort of complicates India's earlier attempts to build what will be called strategic autonomy, by which India did look after its interest independent of joining any block. It was a much longer history to nonline movement anti colonial struggles decolonization of the world, or which non linemen were the part, but he kept out of alignments and built his own new strategic autonomy. Right now, with the border tensions with China, it seems to have gone whole hog with the United States now, and that is cause for concern because that's not an interest, not an interest of the Indian people. You know with the Indian people, the Chinese people. It's a, it's a big. It's, it's hard to say right who are the Indian people who are the Chinese people. But, you know, India's right there in the middle of what, what is said to be the, the century of Asia.  So, where do you see, you know, is is is being part of the quad. Is strategy is a US pressure is where do you see India here. See, the current government that we have the body government is of course has a longer lineage in the sense it comes from the RSS, which wanted the right word shift post independence itself it wanted to be an ally of the western powers against Russia and China, what it called in the song, socialist was its enemy, that's how it saw itself, and of course wanted a Christian Jewish Hindu Alliance against Muslims and Communists. That isn't a very simple or a simplistic political understanding it seemed to have unfortunately 50 60 years down the line, that's trend of thinking still persist. Initially, even when the body government came into power, it tried to have a relationship with the United States and the western powers, but also try to build some relationship with China and Russia, which now in the last two three years seems to have collapsed completely, and it seems to be going much closer to the United States, of course, there is also an internal set of issues which are here, as you know, the Indian government has been, as you said, Kashmir, as well as internal violence against minorities, the kind of politics that we see in politics, that of course, Facebook, very actively helps with which algorithms are otherwise. So all of this is also causing internal problems inside the country, weakening us in some sense, but also that going whole hog with United States, particularly at a time when the US has just lost the Afghanistan war with after 20 years of occupation, getting out of Iraq, and also losing its, shall we say, the larger Eurasian landmarks for itself, you have Western Europe, you have the NATO, and then you have the so called pivot to the Pacific. The Eurasian landmarks is much bigger than the Pacific Ocean, and it's what should be about people, not about oceans. So I think that this is the wrong time, if you wanted to ally with the United States, this perhaps is the wrong century, if not the wrong time. Yes, totally agree. And, and also just the different the people in India. I don't know if, you know, our listeners know that, but in recently two to 400 million people that actions on the same day in India. It's a historic day that few global writers wrote about.  Can you talk about that. The government doesn't like critical analysis of what it is doing, or covering movements which are springing up in the country. So both these things are not something the ruling government wants. Most ruling governments do not want criticism of itself, but the way this government has attacked, particularly the digital platforms which have resisted the kind of massaging of the message shall be saying the government has been trying. So that has actually led the government to take various measures. Digital platforms are definitely under attack because they seem to be more recalcitrant, more disobedient of the government than others which have much bigger financial space. So easier to co op. So I think that is a reason why just because also come under various investigations as they're called, but other platforms other journalists have faced charges of solution for doing their everyday task of journalistic work. So I think we are seeing this, but at the moment we still have the courts functioning some protection of the courts and let's hope you know the Indian people will slowly come out in support of the media and the courts will hold the line as as of now, they seem to be at least thinking that free press, free media, journalistic endeavors should not be silent. So let's see where it goes. But yes, struggles on that front too. Well, do you think that that is an influence that comes from this relationship with the US we're very used to not getting our news and journalists being shut down and jailed. But ours is really severe with Julian Assange and Ed Snowden and Chelsea Manning and so many who try to get the word out and and and get crushed is do you think that this attack on journalism has anything to do with the relationship with the United States. You know because what you're saying about the landmass and not only that the number of people isn't isn't that something like four billion people or three and a half billion people in that region. To make Asia of course it is very large India and China alone will make it roughly about 2.8 billion or so. So of course, Asia is. In fact, the Eurasia is for fifth of the population of the world. Perhaps, you know, so and it will add Africa which is really shares corridor link to Asia that you really take it to most of the world's population. I wouldn't count Australia as a full-fledged continent that leaves only the Americas out of it. So I think there is this issue of, you know, when you talk about the Eurasia as a landmass Asia, what we are talking about a change of how the world has been looked at for the last say from the 16th 17th century onwards, which saw the rise of maritime empires. Unfortunately, colonial plunder slavery genocide all the things we can think of which today still plague us in different forms, but the power really shifted to maritime colonial powers in the United States, the European powers were really essentially maritime powers. And that is where I think this NATO being not Atlantic Alliance. And now we talk of Indo-Pacific. I think the focus is really force projection using your navy and of course aircraft carriers are really the fortresses on the little islands of the move, so to say. So I think this is the focus of the previous century, the 20th century. I think the 21st century is going to come back for what you were saying also the focus on the people. And therefore we are really looking at Eurasia, you're looking at the Americas as what we should be looking for, looking at Africa, and how do the people in these places, how do we really let those relationships develop and not big power projections and trying to do what is called a rule based order where three G3, G5, G7 countries are going to decide what is called the international rules of the game. And I think that is the significant change we are seeing. Can we have a cooperative order emerge instead of Indo-Pacific and NATO. And I think that is the significance when you talk about what is happening and where is India going. If India thinks with this 1.2 billion people, it's going to go to Indo-Pacific. I think they're making a huge mistake. Wow, well that's so hopeful. Thank you. I love that and you know a lot of the work which is not our enemy is also with the indigenous peoples in the Pacific islands.  And you know that just brings me to the, we've spoken about this before but the term that Biden uses the rules based order and you know while breaking the rules all the time, how you know how do we undermine obviously you know like Indo-Pacific which is a recent term you know made by the I think it was the Japanese officials and the Trump administration. How you know how what are other, what are ways like taking on the fact that it's not only not a rules based order but murdering mafia. How you know how can we switch that around in our activism. You know it's an interesting issue that when the United States about talks about a rule based order or the colonial powers with United States talks about a rule based order. They're not talking of the United Nations of the Security Council, which is all even about international law. All these three things are not on the table. So when you talk about an international rule based order. The question is who makes the rules and it's very clear. It's a G7 is the G3 and all of these if you look at it are essentially ex colonial past. Okay, and some of them are of course settler colonial past. So when you talk about for instance a US, UK, Australia coming together. Now, what unites United Kingdom has been power of course still has nuclear weapons and so on, but is really a long past. It's prime. What has it got to do with Southeast Asia. So what is it doing coming into this. So it is to give the fig leaf that there are there is a rule based order and a few countries set the rules, and the so called revisionist powers are the ones who do not accept these rules. So the question that really comes in. What is the meaning of rules when you, as you have stopped about the mafia's well let's put it this way, the United States at seven to 800 basis in the world military basis in the world, only country, which has this number of basis Russia which has one as 10 China has one. Okay, now this is the contrast. When you talk about the South China see the freedom of navigation, you are talking about a corridor which is supposed to be close to the Chinese sequence. We are not able to dominate that, talking about the freedom of navigation, and they're very clear that 2018 I think document strategic document about China says we have a problem, we're not able to dominate the Chinese coastline or the first island chain, we're not outside that we have dominance but not inside that we need that to know those kind of discussions that they're having, which are open. Now, how does it square it in the so called rule based international order and the freedom of navigation, as India discovered to the US Navy also did a freedom of navigation in Indian, what India calls its territorial waters, or it causes, you know, economic zones through which you pass you need to take permission. So all of these actually are interpretations US has over all these issues, which it says it decides international rules is very clear it doesn't say international law by the way, and I think that's an interesting distinction with making it's not talking about international law, but about international rule based order, and I think that distinction is very important. Thank you. Some good terms in there. So, Indian Biden's quad lateral, you know the Quad Alliance with US Japan, Australia and India. You wrote an excellent article on India's role in the Quad and August Alliance. Can you talk about the military components to the Quad Alliance. The alliance was initially a security dialogue, but recently both the United States and India has been talking about that this is not a India, it's not a in the Pacific equivalent of the NATO. We are not a military alliance we are going to do all the soft stuff, economy, vaccines and other stuff, but the military part of it the sort of be walking back from. It's really interesting that once you have the or US Australia being brought into this, and let's leave out the poor United Kingdom which gives them a big leaf to say this three country. It's really inducting Australia as a frontline state in its contention over really Southeast Asia. Now Southeast Asia is one of the most past developing places in the world. They have a cooperative economy they are building with trade, they have trading partnerships with Japan as well as with China, as well as with South Korea. So they see themselves as really the next growth zone in the world, which they seem to be doing as well. So I think inducting Australia in is to counterbalance provide at least a base of operations, if military target is one they have, as you said China being their target. So Australia provides a military staging post near Southeast Asia, and that seems to be Australia's attraction. Why Australia has gone with this is not clear, because Australia's economic interest live with Southeast Asia and East Asia. It's a supplier of raw materials, and it needs industrial goods and obvious, it is compliments the Chinese economy when. So that has been where this has been selling stuff. So it seems that it is willing to pay money to United States to buy nuclear submarines, which it didn't seem to want, because it didn't take the submarines from France earlier it said we want diesel submarines. And that's why the submarines are forced projection why they do they want it for defensive purposes is not clear at all. But they'll get it 20 years later. It seems that they're offering basis in Australia for the United States Navy and Air Force. And the Foreign Policy magazine also said that this is the informal understanding why Australia is willing to pay money to be a frontline state in the battle USS battling is China is not clear to me, and I think it's not clear to most of the Chinese Australian people too. Yes, true and there's an uprising so we hope it succeeds. British colonialism to Cold War Orientalism in the US Nixon proclaimed that India needed a mass famine while Kissinger declared the Indians were bastards. India has been exploited and treated paternalistically by Western powers off and on for centuries. Today, the US sees India as geopolitically useful again as a hedge against China, as a market for US weapons and a market for US goods and outsourcing and for moving factories for US factories from China to India. How do Indian government officials view this current political relationship and dynamic. But, you know, how does, how is India's sovereignty and and agency expressed. Well, the two questions over there. What is of course how does India see United United States, and of course his tensions or confrontation with China, that is one, particularly if it doesn't stretch from border to other issues, as long as it is border. If it goes beyond border issues that of course you have a larger problem. Other is how does United States view India. Now you know there is I think an old saying I don't know who said it. I think it's Kissinger, if I may be mistaken, who said to be a friend of any of the United States is dangerous. The only thing more dangerous than that is becoming a friend of the United States. This is when their allies in Vietnam, South Vietnam had to be dispensed with because they wanted to make peace over there and get out of South Vietnam. And I think the Afghan warlords have also discovered this bitter truth. So the United States has becoming an ally of United States has always been extremely dangerous for that country. If not the warlords or the leaders of those countries. Now if you come to the US issue, you know, it's interesting with the what the time period what you're talking about Nixon Kissinger, that's the 60s the war in the Pakistan war that took place at that point of time. Now if we look at those times, the colonial powers were very unhappy with non alignment countries like India, Indonesia, you had of course the cool against the United States, and a carnage over there which the US really supported instigated whatever you call it. So, all of this was very interesting was you will read the archives today, both the British colonial or post colonial archives at the United States and the same opinion that these countries we're letting them come in we can't stop them, but they really should not do anything except listen to us. In fact, the British archives say the Commonwealth should be led by the senior Commonwealth countries, all of them whites settler colonialism or UK, and the rest of them should really listen to us. So, at that point of time they hated the Nehru government, they hated non alignment, they basically realized it was about decolonization and that was the basic battle going on in the world. Now once we move beyond decolonization, I think even the Excolonial powers have accepted, they cannot get back to colonies. Now the question is, what is the form of extraction that we can do. And you can see from Africa, what is the mode of exploitation they have with countries they still think they can bulldoze team roller. And this is the difference I think they're finding with Asia that Asian countries have by now being able to come together and that's why I was talking about the ASEAN that in spite of the political differences which is significant, they come together Now that is the African Union was doing that and taking Gaddafi out and destroying Libya was the price African Union paid and Gaddafi paid for having brought African Union together. Now you are still seeing those battles being fought. Unfortunately countries like India which paid played an important role in rallying this third world, as we call it the global south for decolonization that this has decided that this lies in completely real politics. That means who do I dicker with purely transactionally and not look at the larger questions. Of course, it has its own problems with the kind of anti minority politics the government is doing. It finds itself very easily in the same boat with the United States with this policy of war global war on terror and at least internationally anti Islamic Islam supporting Islamophobia. So that is also something which is what is bringing the US and some of the settler Colombian states together of basically supporting Uighurs of supposedly while pursuing a completely Islamophobic line. But the only thing that has happened which I think is March of history, that if you look at West Asia look at Central Asia, which are actually the dominant religion here is Islamic Islam, that you can see they are moving towards a greater understanding with each other and trying to work out something independently of global powers, particularly the United States, and the fall of Afghanistan withdrawal of us partially from Iraq and possibly Syria means that those forces are probably likely to work out how to solve our problems ourselves and not look to create powers for playing one off against the other. Now that in Central Asia, this is what Brzezinski was most worried about that fall of the Soviet Union must be accompanied by capturing the central erasure part that is that is where the power lies, which is really Central Asia and Afghanistan that was for Brzezinski always important element. That's why you could remember Brzezinski started the Afghan intervention in 1979, well before any of this happened, and who were his allies in London. So this is the forces, the same Islamist forces which they went to war against in 2001 are the forces that propped up in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union and the progressive Afghan government. So you know this is the reality which is changing. And I think government of India, or Biden administration, or of course the Trump administration, he doesn't they're talking about all of them are missing the march of history, the march of history cannot be delayed like this. But yes, there is no guarantee that barbarism cannot try and destroy civilizations, and we have nuclear weapons and we have climate change so we have two threats hanging over us and our civilization. Exactly why we need cooperation instead of aggression and more weapons. That's our campaign. Thank you. But, I mean that was kind of depressing. What, what's the view, like, what do people say in India about this though because in what you just said it's, it's, there can't be a lot of people excited that India is on the side of the US and it's war in China. I mean, is that, how is that talked about. You know, one part of the Indian problem is that we are so big in terms of size, terms of population that we think our problems are the biggest problems in the world. So, unfortunately, we have that problem international issues are seen from a very narrow lens. One of the problems that we have is of course, China, because we had a border one war in 1962. Now we have the border tensions clashes that have taken place recently. We have to really fight or make it out that China is an enemy internally and anybody who says, like you were saying that China is not our enemy of people like us we spent, you know, signing with America against China doesn't make sense.  It's interesting while they're doing that, what is the objective reality. India China trade has grown in spite of India's best in, you know, efforts to come closer to United States. The fact is us is essentially the industrializing and it today controls intellectual property. It controls the financial systems of the world. It controls arms production, but beyond the three areas it doesn't produce much. So therefore, our trade in spite of all the campaign against China, which is being, which is there in India, the reality is our trade on both our selling to China and China selling to us is growing. Now that's the objective reality. Will it make India changes politics, will it have an impact internally about politics, we'll have to see. Unfortunately, the arc of history is a good term to use but doesn't work in the short term. The other part of it is that United States. Now, you know, the Indian middle class has a different relationship with the United States than it had originally. There's a lot of so called non resident Indians who are middle class who migrated to the United States have a good life over there, and who have an outsource outsized influence over there. The Indian middle class always had its eye to the West. That is what it looked towards, and weakening as I said of the national national movement heritage, anti colonial heritage. That has also put us at the moment into this quote unquote as I would call naval gazing mode, what is India for you know we knew where we are going. We wanted to be independent country we will develop internally. Now we are being told, you know, technology we can always get from outside, we can always buy things and you know we can get dollars will come in. But are we as a nation, what does it mean for us, is it recolonizing process, we're not clear. So you know the those issues still are very much there. On top of that we have what we call communism which is really sectarian politics, and the word in India is a bad word, unlike a lot of other places when it's talked to the communitarian. So here we've been communism by divisive sectarian politics based on religious identity, that's how the word is used in India. So this attempt to create a majoritarian psyche and disempower the minority. That is unfortunately the trajectory that seems to be taking place in South Asia, and it's being helped by small programs that are conducted in different parts. So the interesting part is unfortunately South Asia. This is something that has been happening for quite some time. So when the United States and the West sheds crocodile tears about the fate of minorities in Afghanistan. They have never shed the, you know, same tears for the minorities in Pakistan, India, or even Bangladesh. It is instrumental when it comes to say Burma, which is extremely easily sacrificed it doesn't they don't have any big states over there. But you don't hear the same thing said about these states when they seem to have much deeper stakes to use it against China or use it against each other. So I think those are the problems we have when we talk about how do the Indians look at all of this. Yes, there is resistance. Yes, there is struggle on these issues, but it is going to be a long hard struggle, because you have to reinvent the Indian nation that came out of our colonial struggle. And we have to reinvent the Indian nation. How do we build a secular strong India, which is doesn't want to look at either itself or the world in divisive terms, but tries to build solidarity with others, as well as with each other. I think that is the biggest challenge we face. And this is a challenge which is, I think a worldwide challenge. Definitely global. But, but hopeful. Thank you for that inspiration. But, I wonder if, just to back up a bit, you talked about, you know, what the US not talking about what happens in India. And if you could take that a little deeper, you know, like the, what, what does the violence in anti Muslim violence look like in India and what, why isn't that raised up. Especially like I know when we were in the US, you know, raising up the concerns about cashmere, what what keeps all that so hidden and quiet what what I'm always curious about that you have any ideas. The, I, I think the part of it is in India at the moment, the budget of majoritarian discourse is strong. So even though news outlets like news click and others talk about this cover news in Kashmir, and it has been doing so for quite some time. And discovered it to say that Kashmir is not normal. But all that is happening in the Kashmir is something that doesn't happen any other part of the country. So this is something if they say, if the government says everything is okay it is not okay. So that is the, you know, that's what we would say. We are not alone, the lots of people who are saying, but what has happened is that this voice is still at the moment defensive in the sense that the combination of government power, combination of money power and money power is because the bourgeoisie is not going to fight for a secular India. It's going to fight for a secular cause, make more money. Okay, so therefore it has a stake in the government. And even if it dislikes what the government is doing, the government can arm twist very easily if for a rich capitalist, you have a lot to lose. So therefore we can see that they are not willing to rock the boat. So they're getting into the major, majoritarian boat, even if they don't like it. I'm not going to go into what is called the election bond scheme by which you can make capital and give money, and even foreign capital can give money legally to Indian political parties. And of course, the ruling party has got 90% of that money. So this are all the strategies which this government has done. So resistance therefore is now relatively distributed in terms of, as I said, smaller media outlets raising their voices movements on the ground under attack in different ways. The majoritarian voice plus the money power plus all the kind of discourse that we divisive discourse being propped up. The question is hatred is something which is easier to round. And, unfortunately, for us, if you are trying to appeal to rational discourse that takes time, because hatred is easier, hopefully doesn't last too long. But as you know, hate hatred is something which hatred and fear are much easier to appeal to and rounds amongst the people, and bringing people together, building a rational discourse takes time. But I also believe that hate is short lasting doesn't last too long. Yes, you can do it for two years, three years, five years, you cannot do it more than that. So I do believe that everywhere in the world, when we still, we are seeing now the rise of hatred, of course, where by social media, Facebook algorithms, we know that, but it's by even that is a matter of time. How long can this hatred, which is being roused in different parts of the world, how long can that sustain itself. And I believe that is the struggle that brings all of us together, whether your battle against coatpinks battle against no war against peace for peace, you know, against war, which has been a long standing battle of coatpinks, our battle of different kinds against social divisions, which of course is there in the United States too. After all, race is very much a part of the social fabric of the United States. I think all of this survival of hate, and survival of hate cannot be long lasting. This is what I think all of us have to believe in. And this is what we have what we have to fight for. So I think the battles everywhere are similar. Oh, for beer. That was beautiful.  And so inspiring as we look out at, you know, so much devastation and hate and the region and things on the edge of the barbarism as you say, so I could listen to you for hours. Thank you so much for being with us and sharing your wisdom and your brilliance.  There's a lot to read and news click it to get smarter about India, as we all should be smarter about the world. Thank you China is not our enemy India is not our enemy. Yes, maybe live in 11 cooperation for the planet and for the future. So thank you for there. Thank you for letting me speak in this vein. Okay. This is a rare opportunity to speak to you. And I hope we can keep this conversation going. Oh that would be awesome. Thank you. Peace and love. Hi everyone. Thank you and stay engaged. And tonight you can join us at 8pm Eastern Standard Time for week seven of coalition peace initiatives webinar. The series is co sponsored on the US and China by China for peace and could pink and many others. Stay engaged and keep getting smarter. Bye. Thank you.


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It's just been two months since you're on last time. So I want to ask you what's been going on in the past couple of months. What's new? I know you're traveling right now. What are you doing? Yeah, well, I'm in the UK at the moment. So we've come over for my son Lee's wedding because he got married on Monday. And yeah, yeah, it was an amazing ceremony. It was really a brilliant ceremony at the back to the dental manner, which is the Harry Krishna temple in London, just outside London in a place called Watford. And it's an amazing place to back to the dental manner. It's the place that George Harrison bought for the Krishna guys back in the early 70s. And because it was John and George that kind of helped to popularize the movement. And George bought this manor house for them in London. I'm kidding you, this place today is probably worth well over 50 million pounds. Wow. It's an incredible place. And the thing with it is the Krishna movement is really thriving in London because of they've got this amazing base. And yeah, Lee's wedding was there. And when you go to the place, it's like you drive in through the gates. It's like, you know, the crazy madness of the outside world just disappears and you you feel the energy in there. It's completely different because all of the monks that were and, you know, live there, they're of service to the local community and they're immersed in spirituality 24 seven.  And when you struck me when I was there, they seem so happy. You know, they're living a very sort of simple or steer life in some ways because they're getting up at four in the morning and they're chanting and in meditation for hours on end and then they go out and they feed the homeless and that kind of thing. But they all seem so happy and so alive. And when you're out and about the moment, you know, you're meeting people that so many people are fearful and anxious because of what's going on in the world, but these, these people are living a different life, a different vibrational frequency they're tuned into and just experience their life in a different way. So yeah, it was it was brilliant to be there at the temple and, and just to feel that energy and obviously it was amazing to see Lee get married and have this amazing fantastic ceremony. It's been a really great week. That's awesome well congratulations Lee Lee Glenn son is also a hypnotherapist and offers sessions and I've had several with him is, you know, from the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree he's also very amazing, and he's a beautiful person so congratulations Lee I hope you're watching this that's amazing, and I happy for all of you.  So you're June 21, June 27. Yeah well I'm just on the cusp but because I was born early in the morning I'm a Gemini. I was born before midday. So Gemini and is yeah bang on the solstice. So I checked in midsummer's day. And, yeah, yeah, I've kind of got all the Gemini trades laser Gemini as well so we kind of were very in tune with each other. Oh that's nice. Gemini's are chatty. I found that they're very chatty very social. Yeah yeah we can talk the hind legs hind legs off a donkey as they say. And many Gemini friends so yeah it's awesome though it's great skill to have. And but it also because if you are in the cusp that also means you're, you've got a lot of properties being in the first week of that solstice that you've also got all those heart based very loving connecting properties from the canceran. Makes sense. The last time you were on the show you were saying sometimes you would start a recording and you would say oh no I'm gonna have to start that all over again. You know I want to connect with my heart first and then you can feel it through your recordings like yeah there's something very genuine there that comes through the recording to the recipient listening. Yeah, when I record I have to get in the right zone and it's you know sometimes our scripts are recording and then I think I'll record it. I've got a bit of time now you know I've got four hour window so I'll record it. And you know if I ever try to rush it or push it and I'm not in the right frequency the right energy. My voice is different it doesn't it's not right so I have to get into that sort of state to be. You know we're on projecting, you know projecting and putting the feelings into the recording because people feel it. You know I guess I often get that feedback you know people really feel it. So yes that's so important. Yeah when you say that it makes me curious. It's almost like your voice can create what solfeggio does or binaural beats do it sounds like there is also a vibration within your being and voice that can create the feeling outside of even the words or your methods. Yeah, I actually know when I've got it. I know when I've got it. And sometimes when I haven't got it. I can't force it I've just got to relax into it and let it come.  And then you feel it and it's the same with making meditations you know when you're in the zone it's just flows and that you channel phrases and you know it's not it's lovely. So why, why Glenn did stress of all things attract you as a niche to offer to people why in your career have you mostly talked about anxiety and sleep and stress to offer relief why are they prevalent. It's just because those issues are so big in this day and age, you know there's so many people struggling to get to sleep at night because you know they're on devices too long and you know they're wired and and all the fear and the anxiety in the world you know it's never been as bad as it is at the moment so it just makes sense that, and the recordings naturally do that you know even if I've, even if I make a recording on a certain subjects, say like weight loss you know a lot of people say, sometimes you know they haven't lost as much weight as they wanted to but they're sleeping much better. So, it's always that sleep is always a byproduct of meditation, whatever the theme it's so. And I just, yeah I really, you know like making, I like making recordings that are effective you know that really have got the something in them that I, you know if I make a recording now I can tell if it's got that sort of ingredient that's going to really connect with people. And, and I put the recordings out, I did a, I've done a couple recently one called Awaken and Ascend, which is, you know really strong spiritual recording which, you know gets people into their chakra energy and takes them on a real spiritual journey, and another one called Let Go of Fear. And those recordings I knew when I made them they've got something special and they'll have a long long lifespan. So people will be getting, you know, benefit from those in five, 10 years time. Well because I listened to your hypnosis recordings literally every day. I have, and I have your app on my phone, I have taken to. I get, I have, by the way, I have Gemini too in my relationship, my house of relationship so there's a few astrology houses like that Gemini's get bored easily, right you like challenge and change. So I, I literally buy a couple of your recordings about every week, anywhere from two to four and I realize I'm almost maxed out I almost have like literally everything you've ever created. So on your website, membership platform and I thought, oh, so what is that what does that offer. So the membership platform came about because we had a number of apps on the Android App Store. And for some reason, you know to Google they just suddenly took them all down. And they kind of sent us a vague message saying that they were too similar. But the time, the titles were different. What it had we devolved it over time where we put the whole of the app, everything we've got in each app. So the whole category given we give away a number of free ones and then the rest of the titles will be there as in apps and we duplicated that across a few apps not realizing you know and then about a year, a year ago they changed the rules. And we, it was in the small print we didn't see it and they deemed that we was spamming the store, you know, that's the last thing I'd ever do. So all of our apps came down we managed to get one back up relax and sleep well and we morph them all back into the, to that one so you know anyone who lost any apps we gave them codes to get that one back. So at that time it made me realize, you know, I'm not in control of what I'm selling here. You know you're selling to the public but you're not in control Google or Apple can change that in a heartbeat as we found out. So at that point I thought I'll build a membership site, have all of my content there and add new content videos and kind of interact with the people on there. And that was the reason it came about and it's developing over time you know I want to really add value to it and you know I've done that by adding a number of videos so if somebody on the membership site has got a particular issue they want to get over something. And it's something that would can you know connect with a number of people then I'll make a little video on that for that person and then we'll stick it up on membership site. And there's, there's ebooks on there, there's your videos, and I do webinars there exclusively for members. So, yeah that came about because we lost that Google app so yeah. And that's a pay to pay membership site. Yes, 12 pounds a month if you sign up for a year, or it's 15 a month if you just sign up for the month. Yeah, it's got everything 140 meditations on there. Wow. Wow. So yeah. Okay. So, okay that's why you went into stress and insomnia and you know just to address the things that all these people have been through and I know you yourself when you were on the show last time. You were sharing that you were raised in Balham London, the UK, and that you had kind of a rough childhood. And in a way, you were expressing that you're a miracle because many of the people in your neighborhood or that you ran around with ended up in not so good circumstances including prison, and it very well could have been you, but for the grace of God and the other choices that you made.  How did you Glenn, learn to look in the mirror and just love the person that you see, was there a turning point was there a breakthrough that allowed you to love and to receive yourself.  You know I ran around with a gang that was quite violent, you know there was lots of, you know, I was talking about it yesterday I was on an interview on insight timer and I remember the time when I was literally a couple of times beaten by gangs and I was completely out for the count and it's still on my medical records today one of those where I was just beaten up so badly I was unconscious my jaw was over there black I was just in a mess and you know I was just in a really bad place I was a pro my home life so the home life was violent and unpredictable and chaotic and I was so I hung out with kids on the street who came from broken homes as well. You know it's a it's a vibrational thing again you know when you're running on that you connect with people on the same frequency. And you know it was just life was such a struggle so hard you know because I was always in trouble. I was taking drugs and drinking to sort of submerged the pain and the trauma of it all. And I didn't know any better than that you know I just thought life was like that used to wake up in the morning with this heaviness and this sort of feeling of doom and gloom and you know the feeling that bad things are going to happen. I got a law of attraction in the opposite and I'm sure enough it did you know I was always just struggling you know with permanently broke. But it was years later I did. I was the one thing I did do back then I learned to play the bass guitar, I got into a band, and it took me away from hanging around on the streets and gave me a creative outlet. I loved it you know I put a lot of energy into that young age and learn to play. And then later on I was on the cabaret circuit, and I watched a stage hypnotist, and he was performing this hypnosis on the audience that looks so powerful. And from there I wanted to learn it because I could see in that I could fix a lot of my own dysfunction and the addictions and wounds and traumas that kind of thing so from there it was that was the real epiphany. Because when I realized that it put me on a path of healing and I had a thirst for knowledge. And so over time I did learn to love myself you know and build myself a steam from the inside out.   So I really worked on that when I learned hypotherapy and I really work on my self confidence my steam and you know learning to love that little boy that was, you know, growing up in a crazy world. And that was the turning point so that you know I've just built on that momentum ever since. Powerful. There's a quote from Gerard when one day your life will flash before your eyes, make sure it's worth watching. And so for people who are listening to you and feeling some kind of inspiration who may have also come from difficult beginnings or maybe they even came from I know people who are raised in amazing households and they've become addicts or they've had issues so you know it's it's relevant it's not relevant it's very interesting journey right. Go figure. Are there mindset hacks are there techniques that work that you can offer listeners who may be going through some challenges right now or have had a life pattern of challenges. I think the key thing is you have to be.  It's really important to crystallize that in your conscious mind. And, you know, for me a big thing was, you know, when I learned about hypotherapy and I started to use the law of attraction. I wanted to create an abundant happy life, you know where I had material things as well because, you know, I got sick of driving old bangers and living in, you know, crummy places and so that was a big thing for me so I wrote a list of things that I wanted to achieve you know a number of, you know as a young man and so I wanted these material things you know lanaster Martin a big house and, and I wrote all these things down and I was. And every single day I had built up this real determination within me this I had this fire in my belly, and it came from the fact that I'd struggled so much and not had really anything going for me.  So when he kicked me out of 15 so you used all that in a positive way and I really built up this fire this drive within me that I was going to succeed and know how but I was determined to succeed and make something of my life. So every day every single day back then I would do like an hour of self hypnosis and you had these set of goals and when I was in self hypnosis I used to project them out into the universe. I really used my feelings my feelings into them. Now imagine I was driving the car and imagine that life was abundant and happy and all this kind of stuff and I really really got into it. And to the point where my wife at the time she said to me that the bed would actually vibrate when I got deep into those self hypnosis session she could build a bed vibrating because I'd go so deep with it and you know got immersed in it and I'd even do it when I was in the because I'd read somewhere that projections are more powerful when you're in water. So I just have my nose sorry sorry for giving the listeners this image but I just have my nose out the bath and be projecting out this these abundance affirmations when I was having a bath and so it became a holistic journey you know when I was driving in the car to turn the radio off and I'd be chanting mantras and you know affirmations and that kind of thing and just immersed myself in it completely. And low and behold life started to change. I started to get more breaks opportunities came along I met the right people at the right time started to make money for the first time. And it was it was amazing you know it was really amazing and then because it started working I thought wow I've created this and it just you know I just I've never stopped and so anyone can do that you know but you've got to kind of get that desire in your belly you know you know whatever it is you want to do if you want to become abundant or you want to lose weight or you want to get it and you have to really get focused on that and give it all of your attention and you know get that determination first and the clearing you know I'm sure we'll talk about this as well clearing aspect is also really important. Yeah, you know so absolutely. Oh gosh I love that you just shared those really specific examples. So you know because I've dabbled in this and not fully realizing some of the technology I was using that it, why it worked. So for instance, I mean I can say, and an easy note because everybody knows about a vision board. I would say oh vision boards don't work but you know they did for me. I mean I literally created a car down to the color and it was a weird color but I knew I wanted it in forest green, the exact model. And everybody's like, you know, come on, I would go to dealerships and they'd say, it's going to be that's a shot in the dark, and then I did get a call the next day going. It's so strange somebody just pulled in a forest green Lexus RC 430 and they want to sell it you know things like that and it's like yeah of course. And also, without knowing this. It's so interesting you would say bathtub because I had done one Los Angeles marathon. 6.2 miles and when I was done with that marathon successfully I thought great I can take that off my bucket list. But as life would have it a number of circumstances, brought me back into the training again for a second year. And I thought well I need a new goal. And I made my goal to lop off time my finish time I wanted to be shorter. So I just came up and I thought 30 minutes. I researched it and it showed 30 minutes is very grand.  But I, I every night I trained of course, physically on the outside world, but in the inside world every night two weeks before the actual marathon. And I would visualize myself coming around the final corner, seeing the clock exactly the time I wanted it, going through the finish line and feeling elated. And I did that night after night very simple, and then came the day of the race. And just much like that I was in actuality in reality running around the corner, looked up at the clock, went through the finish line. And when they came, the volunteers came to take the chip off of my sneaker because I completed the race. I was crying, and everybody was alarmed like are you okay. And I said no I'm so happy I'm so happy, because I took one hour off of my finish. It was beyond. And I just said that that was the bath. That was the visualizations, because left my own devices. I don't know that that would happen. Powerful. Yeah, yeah, because your mind doesn't distinguish between what's real and what's imagined.  And it's really about getting your mind in the zone to, you know, to really, so that's amazing that you did that I mean an hour off from a marathon time is incredible. You know, it was so. Our next year I'll see you. Yeah. I don't know. You know what I loved about it mostly is that it was a doorway for me it's like if it's possible with something like this and a physical race. It's like if it's possible with something else as possible and all of a sudden the limitlessness was open. So it makes me curious because earlier you brought up, you know, one of the things you help people with his weight loss. And I would think that's one of the toughest subjects of all of the ones you could work on simply because you have to take the beast out at least three times right you have to eat at least, unless you're going to fast and maybe have one meal a day but in three times or if they do smaller meals six times. And I think when you keep opening yourself to interact with your drug of choice, it can be very difficult. So what results have you seen with weight loss like how do you use things like this to literally not just tame the beast but to actually have a healing. So food becomes fuel, as opposed to a need. Yeah, that's an interesting question because it is probably one of the biggest issues that I've seen clients for because, you know, so many people have dysfunctional relationships with food you know there's, you know, and their bodies as well. Yeah, that's a big part of it. And so I've seen a lot of clients over the years for weight loss issues. And I always say that you know if you had 10 clients that all had that issue, you'd have to work with them, each one of them in a different way, because there's always a different root cause as to why they're why they've got the issue first place. And you know I've seen some clients who've been abused at a young age and so they've actually put on weight to make themselves in their own mind unattractive to the opposite sex to not attracting the attention. You get things like that going on with the weight loss issues. Sometimes you know people use food to push down emotions and you know to make themselves feel better and you know using sweet foods as a treat that kind of thing so it was always a client therapy session I'd, you know, do a lot of analysis with to really find out what's at the heart of it and, and the key with that is you know again you know if the, the right motivation was there to to get fit and healthy and to lose weight, then, you know, more often than not the sessions are successful they work. You know sometimes you'd see clients who'd come because their partners have pushed them into going to see hemotherapy and they weren't motivated in the right way so they were, and they were, they could be harder sessions so it's a very complex issue. You know I had other sessions I had a thinking of the same theme I had a celebrity session for a magazine in London where this magazine had sent me five celebrities, you know, various or various sort of stature. And each one of them had a fiction or a phobia and I had to fix them all for this editorial piece. And the lead, the lead celebrity is a lady called Andrew McLean she's quite she's well known in the UK. She was on a daily TV show, and she had a chocolate addiction. And it was so bad and every single day she did a big bar of chocolate, and she'd done that for years and years and she was kind of getting away with it she still look good but, you know, she was worried she was going to take its toll. So I did the session in my published my publishing house up in London. And, and I was aware when I was speaking to her that there was some more gratification from this sweet hit that she was getting from the sugar, you know, from the chocolate. It was more than just gratification so I regressed her back to the first time that she felt this kind of overwhelming impulse to eat chocolate all the time and she went back to being a young kid and what what happened at that time her dad used to hide chocolate around the house. And her and a sister used to be on this mission to find it. And when they found it at this eureka moment it was all exciting. She needed a dad wouldn't let them eat it. So she had all this stuff going on in her unconscious mind and bring that into a conscious awareness and also changing the emotion she had attached to chocolate all these positive and forbidden feelings that she had emotions and that kind of thing. It was I was able to clear those can that conditioning that was driving it was kind of underpinning it was driving it. And then I did an aversion techniques so I got to imagine chocolate mixed up with rot in it and you know you kind of when someone's in a translate like that they can really get into that. And it was powerful really powerful and she phoned me up or couple of weeks later she said, I feel terrible I feel absolutely terrible I'm going through this cold two weeks by feel awful because the first time her body was releasing it. You know she was she was literally going cold turkey, and she said that even if she saw a chocolate advert on the TV, she'd feel nauseous she'd want to So the session works so well, but it, it was the fact that I combined the regression and the clearing part with her dad and also the aversion technique that made it work so well. And if I just done the aversion technique it might have worked for a while, but ultimately the drive from conditioning would have come back and she would have, you know drifted back into it so that was it she, she couldn't even watch advert it will make a throw up and then I saw her about two months later of photo shoot and we were filming in London. And she said she'd never touched it again and she's still, you know occasionally talks about it on the TV show. Yeah, it's a great story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I, it makes a lot of sense when you describe needing to go in and remove whatever is the operating system, you know wipe it out. So there's that clean slate and you can put in a new program to run. Yeah, I think without creating nothing or no thing in that space. That's been the behavior pattern whatever it is. It's hard to create on top of it. Yeah, that's the thing and just to add to that you know the recordings, say my weight loss is very generalized you know it does help a lot of people but there's no substitute for one to one session. You know if you've really got those, you know, conditioned patterns of behavior running. You know so that's why the clearing stuff is so important. Do you only work with celebrities these days. Do you still offer one on ones or do you have some other regular folk clientele. I tend to nowadays. I do stuff for media and that kind of thing occasionally, but I'm so busy with the recordings because you know I'm literally selling a million recordings a year now so it's I'm so flat out with that that it's, that's my focus now you know I've seen thousands of clients over the years and I feel like I've done my apprenticeship and I've you know done my time doing that. And now I'm focused on the recordings that's my way you know and if I make a recording. I'm so fortunate I put it out there and it reaches thousands of people. So I'm blessed and and if anyone wants a one to one session as you know I send them to Lee and, you know, leaves a chip off the old block and as you said the acorn doesn't fall far I'm really lucky that leaves you know got that it's got that gift and so he's seeing my the clients that I can't see. Some of the work you're doing lately uses the technology we mentioned earlier which is so Feggio frequencies and by neural beats fact one of the ones I have your hypnosis mp3's I listened to yesterday had both in it, both so Feggio and by neural is like, I love it. Let's do this. I want to say that 396. That's exactly the one I did. Yeah. Yeah. So beautiful. Oh my gosh. And I want people who don't know about I mean, I think at this point, probably most everybody's heard of it, maybe many people understand it in depth but can you talk a little bit about what happens healing wise or scientifically. So folks understand why you imbue some of your recordings with this. Yeah, well the, the soul phageo frequencies are six main frequencies that Gregorian monks used to charm to invoke certain states, and also to clear certain issues. For example, that one the 396 hertz, they would chant that frequency to release feelings of guilt and fear. So you can imagine that's pretty powerful in all of us you know we will wherever you're at you know that's we've all got elements of that in us. Yeah, that was a really, and when the soul phageo frequencies got rediscovered in the nineties by Dr Len Horowitz and another doctors name escapes me. They wrote a book about it and they repopularized them and myself and a shamanic friend at the time I was hanging out with. Who's a very gifted musician we decided to make meditations based on those six frequencies. And so you've got the combination of Alice, Ali called it was amazing music, because he wrote music for by a wasca ceremonies that he was holding and so he knew how to make real amazing frequency music. So he made the music we scripted a meditation together and you know imbued it with everything around the each of the tones each of the frequencies. And you also got that amazing alchemy of the music frequency and then my voice and the meditation and you know it's kind of like when you get a band together and everyone's trying in the little bit and it makes something greater than the sum total. And that's what we did and and those recordings have gone out there and even Dr Horowitz he wrote to us one day at the blue and he said, I've listened to a lot of frequencies soul phageo frequency says yours is spot on. He even bought us a tiny ball. He was buying them and selling them on his website. So we knew we'd got them right. And yeah, they're powerful recordings, you know, we, we, you know, you feel the energy of them there's a that frequency that time when you hear it just goes through every seven fiber in your body is powerful stuff. You know, yesterday, I had a sports medicine massage, which means they go after the fast shot. It's pretty deep. It can be a little uncomfortable.  It was 90 minutes. It was really interesting as my first time with this guy. God he's good. He came highly recommended. And he explained to me at least 10 minutes after starting to work on my body said first I have to understand the lay of the land after understand what's going on with your body. Now that I got it and I'm going to start working on with you. Give me one minute. I'm starting this soul phageo music, and I'm picking something specifically to help heal you in a sound wave vibration. I'm going to work on you physically.  This is so great that he's doing and that he understands the technology that even when I'm laying on a massage table getting worked on. I can be also listening to this music, whether I pass out, you know, and it's subliminal or it's conscious but that there's two things operating at once to really help me. Yeah, when you've got that healing coming at you in, you know, in frequency and in physical, it's powerful, isn't it? Because you're getting them, you know, it's mind body spirit, isn't it? Yeah. So, yeah, that's always the thing, you know, with the recordings, I try to put as much of that kind of thing into the recordings, you know, the feeling I want to project out, I want to get across, you know, I really get into that.  It's powerful stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So this, this is ancient for folks who haven't dabbled in it before, as he was saying, it actually goes back, it's traced back to medieval him by John, John the Baptist. That's how old Sofegio is. And the original Sofegio six tone scale was developed by a Benedictine monk. And I think it's something like Do Re Mi Fa So La. And then I think something like that. But it's, it's definitely starts Do Re Mi Fa. And then I'm not sure where it skips because obviously we have a seventh in our tones today. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the frequencies are, I know is it UT is the first one, isn't it? It's similar to that. But yeah, the UT, yeah, that's it. And they go from this. But yeah, so if there's so much, so much in those tones and those frequencies, you know, there's, you know, I'm never one of those who needs to sort of scientifically understand it. I'm never good at kind of explaining that side of it. So I kind of feel it. I know, I know that it works. I trust that it works. And I project that, you know, that's the thing I, I've got a brother, my youngest brother is very scientific. And he always needs to know how things work. And he wants to know, but I just know if I sent something works, I go with my gut feeling I trust it and that's good enough for me without needing to know the mechanics of it. And when we were kids, we'd go with Christmas, I always remember Christmas day we, I've been playing with my toys are going to see him and he'd taken his toys apart because he needed to know how they work. It was just the way we were wired up as young kids, you know, it's still with us now and take the Mickey out of him now for that, you know, that's hilarious. What did he end up doing with his life. He's in it. No surprise, he fixes people's computers and yet build software that kind of stuff. Perfect. Oh my God. Very mechanical. I know that you and I have ceremonies in common. And just last week and I did my first San Pedro ceremony. Have you done San Pedro the cactus yet. I only micro dosed it micro dosed it. But I'm here just never really had the opportunity. But some fun enough, Nicola, my wife said to me today that she's just connected with somebody who will hold ceremonies where we live in Portugal. So I thought, Oh, wow, that's that's interesting. So, you know, is the when the students ready the teacher will arrive and it happens, especially with medicine. So you've, I know you've done ayahuasca and probably different variations from whatever country but you've not yet, outside of micro dosing tried the San Pedro. No, no, yeah. Now it's on my sort of radar with this guy and then I'll research it and look into it. It's different. It's really different ayahuasca. Is it. Very. Really. Yes. Is it as intense. Is it as powerful. Yeah. So here's the thing, it depends on the shaman, as you know, it depends on the brew that they create, because not all bruises are like, and then it depends on the state of mind and being that you're in probably if I did it five more times with different people, it would be completely different. I will say in general, and it'll be interesting because I'm sure people weigh in and have different points of view and they'll all be valid. And I, and I've only done it once is that I much prefer ayahuasca. And let's see, I went into it thinking, oh, you know, it's like the happy lighter version. Right. It's like, yeah, ask a light and think, but you know it wasn't like that at all. Although I also want to say, here's what's amazing. I had all the ways I didn't feel like I went through quite a gestalt, or an awakening in a divine aspect like I did with ayahuasca or Yahe, etc. However, that's not true at all, because a lot of it in retrospect and I'm still it hasn't even been a week so I'm still incorporating. There's some really major things that I became aware of. And I literally the day after the ceremony came out and started making phone calls to clean up stuff. I started reaching out. I started setting up appointments, there were things I had to handle period. So that was wonderful. And that means a lot of great stuff happened. And the other thing was some interesting letting goes some because I came in with some physical stuff I wanted to release. And I'm on it now. I'm, I mentioned the massage and there's other things but I'm on it I realize no I'm done with this. I whatever this is needs to go, we need to work out. One of the interesting things like I know this was was in a huge revelation but what was really beautiful was releasing I think the energy around it. I'm a child of the Holocaust. Well, how do I say this my father was a child of the Holocaust.  Yeah. And I know about all this so none of this is a surprise, but during the medicine, I could feel the heaviness of what didn't belong to me, but then under. And I just, you know I took it it seems so simple at the time, but just sort of took it out and said you know, doesn't belong to me. It doesn't help me. I'm not helping anybody. And I just return it to center with love and consciousness attached. And just, you know, let it go and it seemed. That's amazing. Amazing. It's, I don't know if you can still hear me Debbie so you frozen on the screen so hopefully it will correct itself. Yeah, I hear you wonderful. I'm talking just in case you can. It happens with ayahuasca. Did you hear me Debbie because I lost you for a minute. No, I think you're, you're going a little bit in and out, and even your picture is getting very deep. Suddenly, it's, it's the time of year in the UK where it suddenly gets dark. And I mean, as I said, I'm traveling on my normal place so I couldn't set it up how I wanted it but. Yeah, just repeat that. Yeah, that's an amazing story you just told there because ayahuasca, the plant medicine does pretty much the same thing. And I had this amazing experience in one of my ceremonies where I was getting messages from my patriarchal downline. And I might have, sorry if I told this story last time, but it is one that sticks with me and it's relevant to what you just said. And that's where I saw my father, my grandfather, his father, as like the faces in Mount Rushmore, like the presidents. And that's how they would communicate me. It was a really weird one. And they were saying to me, keep doing what you're doing because you're healing the family karma. And, you know, going back in my patriarchal downline, they were bookmakers, boxers, gamblers, wheeler and dealers, ducker and divers, you know, they didn't always make their money in the best way. So I, you know, for the first time in the lineage, I'm healing, I'm projecting out healing and doing good work in that way. So I've got this really strong message, keep doing what you're doing because you're healing the family karma. And up until that point, I've never really been aware of that concept. I've never really heard of it. But then I read about it afterwards and it's a byproduct of ayahuasca and the ceremonies. So how amazing that you were doing the same in your San Pedro ceremony, you were healing your family downline in a similar kind of way. You know, it's, and how amazing that there are plants in this world that allow you to do that. It's mind blowing. You know, we could, we could, you know, every person on this planet could absolutely shine and blossom and heal from the inside out if we were allowed to. If there weren't these dark pharmaceutical forces that are controlling things, you know, that, that's the reality. You know, this, this battle between dark and light is in full flow now. And, you know, the healers know it, the healers know what we could have and what, how the world could be, how we could all exist. You know, but we're, you know, we're battling this, these other energies, but yeah, I want to track a little bit there, but that's the ultimate what's going on, isn't it? Yeah. And it's interesting healers. I have had a couple of occasions where I know people who are pretty powerful healers, and they have never done ayahuasca, but they speak about it as though they have with incredible intimacy, just because they read energy. And it's like, no, I really don't think that's a good thing to do. And here's why. And they seem to have all this very specific information, but I, it actually bothers me because I think how there is no way you can talk about something that you've not tried. It's obviously organic. It's a plant, right? It's not LSD, not a chemical. It's literally a plant. And once the plant is in you, the beautiful thing about the plant is it still lives in you. It will still communicate. I made sure before I went to do the, we have a lot of San Pedro cactus around here. So the night before, because I was scared, I'm always scared before I do something like that, like, I don't know what's going to happen. And so I went out and I put, sorry. It's a journey into the unknown, isn't it? It's very unknown. Yeah. And I put my hands on the cactus, not on the thorny bar, but you know, just actually on the beautiful green cactus. And I just did some prayer with it and let it know what my intentions were. And then I asked it for help and guidance and just had a whole connection with it. And I had heard that if you spit into the soil and then put water in it, your energy gets into the plants and it into you. Obviously the next day it would literally be in me. So that's what I did. And I really did feel held. I really did feel taken care of. And that I had this connection. I made sure the day after to go out and thank it as well. You know, thank you for me and for what was wrong. Yeah, that's an important part, isn't it? The blessings and the respect you give to the plant, you know, for what it's done for you. And yeah, it's an amazing thing. I've got a ceremony. I'm booked in for a ceremony about a month's time back in Portugal. I've met a shaman there. You know, felt really ready to journey again. And I've met this guy and he's an amazing shaman. So I'm booked in. And the thing is, as soon as you make that commitment to the ceremony, things start to come up. It's amazing. You start to have issues coming up in you because they're ready to be healed. And it's almost like the medicine is there to, it starts that process early. And it's an amazing thing. The intelligence of it is something that, you know, I don't fully understand and, you know, but I've seen it in amazing ways. And talking about Lee again, he would he journeyed a couple of weeks ago. There was an opportunity to do a ceremony here not far from here where I'm staying with a friend of his. And he took it and he went and he had an amazing journey. You know, tough. He said it was really tough at times. It was all, all guys. And they were outdoors. It was through the afternoon rather than through the night. And he said they're all outdoors in this big garden.  But he was ready for it. He's so mentally prepared for it and went through it and had an amazing time. And I've noticed that was two weeks ago and I've had conversations with Lee where he's just dropping these knowledge bombs. And he doesn't know he's doing it, but I'm hearing this wisdom in him. That is, you know, higher, higher wisdom that not that he didn't have before, but it's just the medicines given him something extra, you know, and he's his whole perspective on what's going on today. You know, he's given me sort of insights on a spiritual level as to what's happening in the world at the moment. And, you know, how the easiest way to understand it is from an energetic viewpoint. And yeah, we've had some amazing conversations. So it's like you said, you know, it stays with you that the experience of the medicine and the wisdom that you experienced in the ceremony.  It's like, you know, graduation almost. What is different about the one you're going to be doing in a month besides the shaman is the is the actual plant you're going to be drinking different or what what attracted you. Well, what it was, I'd, I'd spoken to Nicola, my wife, and she's never journeyed before. And she was always quite a good girl when she was young, so she never took drugs. She never took drugs, but she said she feels ready. You know, the medicine's calling her. So we were talking about it. And then I put my barbecue up the cell. And lo and behold, this gentleman comes along, who's a shaman and wants to buy it. He recognized me because he'd seen me in the film The Time in the Six Sun. I had a tiny little part in this film, and he saw what he recognized me from this film.  You know, I forgot all about the barbecue. And I suddenly thought, you know, and he holds ceremonies 25 minutes up the road from where I am. And he's in Pine Mountain Peru.  And I thought, well, that's amazing. You know, me and Nic have been talking about it. And all of a sudden this shaman comes along to get my barbecue. And he alone, but that's the thing. When you're ready, you put it out there. I say to people, you know, meditate on it. If you really want to, you'll find the right shaman or the right opportunity. If you meditate, reject it out there. And so, yeah, we've been up to his place and he lives in this lovely little valley up in the hills inland a bit. He's got a lake on his land and it's an amazing place, a little dojo. And we're going to journey in there in there and Nic's going a week before me and then a week after. So can't wait. Can't wait. I'm really up for it. Oh my gosh. I am so excited for Nicola and her first experience. Congratulations in advance. And you know what, as well Debbie, the thing is, you know, Jason, the shaman, he sent us through a list of things we've got to do. I've never had this before, but he said, so a month before you've got to really start to refine your diet. You know, no spices, no garlic, no salt, no stuff like that. No nookie either. Sex is off the agenda. Are you having trouble with that? Yeah, big time. I love my wife. So yeah, you know, all those things, but you know, so it's a different approach. So we're rolling with it. We're going with that. You know, if that's the way he wants to roll the ceremony. I'm trying. It's a new new experience for us. But oh yeah. That's very true. I mean, every ceremony I've ever done, that's what I've received from the shaman. I mean, you know, six, seven, however many times in different places, I've done it. Is the diet that is really important and that we've been listening to books on ayahuasca and San Pedro from the shaman's been great books on audible. And they talk about the chemical interaction. So the reason why no spice, no garlic, no meat, no dairy, no alcohol, no coffee.  You don't actually, it's fantastic. You basically can have fish, you can have seafood, you can have salads, vegetables, smoothies. I mean, only the hardest thing for me always is the coffee.  But it's like, yeah, it's interesting. It's so, yeah, coffee. I'm showing my true colors here, but I really love my daily coffee and it had impacted this time to not, but still I follow the diet because you also as much as possible, don't want to get nauseous, or have to expel or purge. And it also gives you the best cleanest experience. So your body is a conduit for the plant medicine in the most. That's it. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? And it's a good focus. You know, if you do want to give up anything or get clean, you know, having a goal to aim for like this in a month's time, you know, we're really up for it. I've been totally on it and, you know, mine's a week after hers. So I'm just getting my head around it now and getting focused on those things. But yeah, I'll do that. I want, I want to have the best possible experience and clear as much stuff as I can. And so I'll go into it, you know, really focused on this stuff. And, you know, yeah, it's going to be amazing. And I had a friend of mine who I was living in the UK at the time he was living in Spain. And when I first told him about ayahuasca, he was, he was so drawn to it, he wanted to do it. And he was like a real hippie from the 60s, you know, so he'd done a lot of acid in his younger life and he was up for it. But he knew what it was all about. He knew it was a spiritual journey and he knew the therapeutic benefits of it. And I'll never forget when he came over, he walked into the room and he had all these white robes on. He looked like Gandhi. He was already was brown as a berry from being in Spain and he'd so prepared for it. He was so up for it, so ready for the medicine that when he drank, he just soared into it and he had most amazing experience. And it's the preparation before is a big part of it. It's a really important part. So I'm making it more serious this time than I've ever done. And, you know, if this is helpful to Nicola, you know, I'm still scared when I do it. So I felt, I felt a lot coming up, you know, we did social distancing masks outdoors also in the day like you're describing for the San Pedro ceremony. And because I'd never done it before I was scared, and I was sitting and I felt before I drank, I felt it ramping up. And I could feel there was a precipice where it's like, okay, this could go full launch into panic. And so, you know, it's like in those moments, I mean, we even have lucid moments of wisdom pre drinking because immediately the next thought is you have a choice, you're at a path right across roads, you could either launch yourself like who panic bill here we come, or you do the other, which is to not know, be safe anyway and jump. And I thought I far clearly I wanted clearly it calls to me. And there's a reason I have to trust the reason I don't have to know, even though I want to, and just jump. And it's like the moment I make that choice.   And that was smart. That was really smart. And then let the games begin, you know, then the journey is going to begin for 10 hours. It's like, it's the best therapy in the world.   Yes, it's an amazing thing and I know one of my son's friends who journeyed with it years ago when he when he first took it and he, he was a tough lad this kid he was, you know, a bit of a brawler who's always getting in fights in nightclubs and he knew he wanted to fix this part of him and when he went down there with Lee back back then he drank the medicine and they said for two hours he just he stood in the corner saying who the fmi who the fmi didn't know who he was and he was just saying this over and over like a mantra. And because what happened to him for the first time in his life he was outside of his ego, yonked his identity and his personality and just didn't know who he was. And yes, it's powerful, you know, it takes you into places that, you know, realms and places that you don't, you're not aware of at times, you know, scary, scary places. So it's good to be a little bit frightened of it and, you know, I will, you know, as it gets closer to the medicine this is a new ceremony and new experience a new place. You know, I'll have that fear up in me. I'll use it in a positive way. I feel like every year Glenn is sort of has a theme. I've noticed that that there's some kind of theme, something I'm supposed to learn something I'm incorporating and, and I love that usually it's obviously revealed to me. I mean, I could choose a theme and that's fine. But usually themes choose themselves at a soul level. And I know I know what mine is this year is what's the most important thing that you've been learning this year. What's the thing that's come up for you the most to learn from and deal with. I suppose for me the biggest thing this year in particular it's kind of brought it to the surface more is for me that you know how important family is. I know that's probably a bit of a cliche but I was somebody who grew up in a very, very dysfunctional and violent household so I did I never had that lesson at the beginning. You know, and I'm still very disconnected. My dad's still alive. My mom's not. I'm very disconnected from my father so I never had that family thing you know that. So I was always a young kid. I was always very independent. I, you know, run away from home when I was 12 and sleep rough on the streets and, you know, and I survived on my own because I just built up this independence and I've always been very independent and my wife said to me you know that it's times you don't need anyone it's like you don't need anyone but you know in some ways that's a good thing because you're very independent but the downside of that is that you put people away. And that's been a theme for me so for me to really embrace family and to really, you know, realize the importance of family has been a bit of a breakthrough for me you know it's been a real big thing so I think this year. You know with the lockdown and everything and it made me it really made me realize that and value it as well and and realize what an amazing thing you know just having a being in a little family unit with your, your wife and your kids and you know my older son Lee, what an amazing blessing that is and I love that you know so the relationship thing you know that's that's been the most important thing for me this year. I just want to drive people to Glenn Harold.com if they want more information on you GL EN and HR or LD calm. And is there anything at the end, Glenn here that you'd like to say to the listeners. Yeah I just think as you know, we've been talking about you know, the work you do on yourself is the most important thing you can do in this life the clearing work, because you know we've incarnated into this, you know, crazy world of dark and light people going on and, you know, but we've chosen to incarnate at this time with all its challenges and it's, you know, life has never been more challenging than it is at the moment it's, people are very divided and struggling in different ways. But, you know, it's a really heroic journey I read this once years ago you know the assholes have chosen a really heroic path. And here we are we've rocked up you know we've put a chest out you know shoulders shoulders out and we're we're here you know we're doing the best we can in this world and trying to get as clear and light as we can so. And I think you know the way to really navigate your way through this life is to get as clear as you possibly can through through hypnotherapy through, you know, kinesiology other therapies plant medicine. You know, San Pedro, ayahuasca, whatever it is that calls you, you know get as clear as you can because this is the opportunity to really come back to that person. You're supposed to be and to get lighter freer. And that's it you know and I'll be doing this work when I'm 90 I'll never stop. You're I can tell that you're on that same path you're constantly looking for new ways to get clearer and move forward and you know we're both on it and it's great because the rewards are amazing. I want to check out and ascend and you know experience a higher vibrational future lifetime. I think that's why it works I think you know whatever your vibration is when you check out of this planet you're going to connect on a in another dimension at that same vibration. I'm so you came back on the show. This is, again, been so fast. A time to spend together and Yeah, I just enjoy you so much. I really love the conversation. I feel the same you know with, you know, I think you have musicians, you know, and the experiences we've had you we've shared, you know we're on a similar understanding and yes it's great is he so easy to chat with you so anytime Debbie anytime. Thank you. Yeah. Cool music really came up for me in this last ceremony to and I just got it you know the shaman said to me I used to be a really great violin player when I was a kid I was, you know all county orchestra and stuff and you know, then I turned 16 and other things became important to me and I left lessons and I left the violin and, as you know I was a singer for most of my professional life and then I, I stopped doing that to do podcasting radio and books and it's been an interesting journey and I had that feeling of like, where does that go when we stop it like that we stop the violin at 16 we stop singing, you know, fully as an adult and, and, you know, and I talked about it post ceremony and the shaman said to me. It doesn't go, it is still there, and you can start doing violin lessons yes it'll be something and maybe harder than when you were a kid, but you could start that again. And although you know I'm the jury's still out on that I'm not sure how I feel about, you know having to get back into lessons would take, but the singing it's like, oh I still have a voice so I immediately started pulling up ceremony songs and looking at sheet music and I started practicing, you know now it's amazing what's online and available. I am going to start doing that again so that was something that came up through me was my love of music and missing it in my life. So, yeah. Obviously such an important part of your life and you never lose that you know, you know not for me you know I love writing songs and creating music and I'm not doing that at the moment but at some point I'm sure I'll come back to it because when you get so much from it, you know it's it's always there isn't it. I think just timing has to be right you know at the moment I'm very, I've been really focused on my career for the last year and getting more webinars and being more visual with it. So the music will come back and you know it's when you're ready and yeah that's it. When the music is ready the student appears. That too. Oh gosh, folks to find out more about him you can join his member website, Glenn Harold calm highly recommended it's one of the only things and I'm, you know, I'm not getting paid to say this it's one of the literally the only things and people I can listen to that a creates a difference and be actually allows me to surrender and go deep into the hypnotic state. Just a lot of people out there of recordings it's like God bless him but it actually irritates me but but Glenn is Glenn is the real deal. So reason why is world renowned. I end this show with this quote from Mark Twain kindness is a language that the deaf can hear and the blind can see. Subscribe to the show, leave us a review please so others can find the conversation, share this show with friends and family. The upcoming guest on dare to dream next week is Denise Colette. She is a profound healer who runs core trauma healing created for healing from childhood trauma and addiction. Her energy work is extremely special and deep she's highly gifted. I have experienced it firsthand through her and with her. So definitely tune in to find out what is possible for you to heal some core trauma or addiction. You can enjoy the show on all the podcast sites, Apple podcasts, in particular and many others as well as youtube.com slash Debbie dashinger. Thank you so much for joining us today on the show. It's always a pleasure to be here with you. And if ever there was a time in this planet to dream and create your dreams, it is now we need you. Thanks for joining.


was a part of the blockade for the Hampton Roads area and the water you see behind us. She represented the Union and protected the area on patrol. The Minnesota was part of the Battle of Hampton Roads as well as the Monitor. The Minnesota came under fire from the Merrimack and the Monitor intercepted the fire and protected the Minnesota during that battle. And the Minnesota was able to free herself from the navigation restraint she was put in and continue the fight. The Monitor solidified her place in naval history as the first battle of the clash of the iron clads at that point in time and it totally changed the way the Navy ships did battle. Well the Monitor protected the steam frigate Minnesota and the Battle of the Hampton Roads and the third ship Minnesota is a submarine building built in Hampton Roads and just so a couple miles up the road from where the third ship the submarine Minnesota is being built the remains of the Monitor are being restored at the Mariners Museum in Newport News. It's always a great honor to be part of remembering those who have given their life for the defense of the country but it's especially rewarding to be part of this internment because of the link that has between the Monitor and the Minnesota. The Navy always emphasizes history tradition and it's a great honor to be part of the internment of the sailors who lost their life during their service on board the Monitor. The USS Minnesota and the USS Monitor were there to effectively blockade for you know to keep all the other incoming ships out and the Minnesota ended up getting stranded on the rocks and the Monitor was there to take care of it which started the Battle of Hampton. I think it's a great honor that we are looking after sailors in the past. I mean it's the America way to look after the soldiers and sailors in the past and this is you know this was part of the American Navy at the time and we look after our own and to see that they make it to the rifle resting place and are honored the way that they should be I mean it's a great thing to do and we should do it for everyone. We are finally bringing them home after they were on the bottom of the ocean for all those years. 151 years.