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What I want to do before I bring my guests on I wanted to cover a few things That I believe are important and out and also appropriate for Tonight's discussion and that is what is going to be a a discussion I want to read a message that I received earlier today. I believe it is definitely timely in light of what we are Addressing and dealing with tonight, of course, we know in the bite of Christ we're going to have differences We're going to have views that are Not always congruent with each other a little inconsistent and unfortunately there may be conflicts Conflicts as you know, the Bible says Some are necessary And and the purpose of conflicts or the purpose of division the purpose of heresy the purpose of schisms and things of that nature According to what Paul says in 1st Corinthians 1119 is for those to know who God has approved Who is on the Lord side and so? Though we may try to run from it though We may try to steer away from it though we may even try to act as though conflict is sinful It depends on how we respond to it But ultimately God says the purposes of conflict the purposes of disagreement Among believers, although ideally we should strive to Say the same thing when it comes to essentials, but of course we don't always agree and unfortunately even with the essentials But we were talking about tonight Maybe somewhat of an essential some of it may be preference But sometimes people make their preference a preset for others and I believe that even creates a wider wedge and a greater chasm Than those who differ with us when it comes to the essential issues So what I want to do is I want to read a message from a sister who who has been very supportive of of this ministry of my family and I and I do have their permission to read this I'm going to read it Anonymously, I'm not going to disclose the name, but I am going to read it They have given me permission to do so and hopefully as a blessing and encouragement and also challenges all of us to to Conduct ourselves and to carry ourselves according to the word of God by the Spirit of God, Biblically, so Person said sister said God will lead you all just as he is doing now I'll keep supporting and I find it bothersome That certain people seem to lack discernment Bullying and hypocrisy are evident in the situation the situation that the sister is referring to is regarding me Cory aka the mob and all that that has been Precipitated because of John MacArthur and and people's Now indecision on who they should support what they should believe and things of that nature But nonetheless the sister says bullying and hypocrisy are evident in this is in the situation Some kids don't even engage in this type of cyber bullying They are fabricating lies about the ministry in an effort to draw attention away From the pressing issue at hand, which discussed and disappointed me instead of us coming together to hold a church leader accountable And that's John MacArthur and asked for a change in the rules for how abuses handled in the church Some Christians come together to harass a fellow minister's wife and brother In order to maintain my objectivity as I already really mentioned. I have watched videos from both sides. They said From the other side only juvenile arguments are provided Regardless of how somebody perceives you to speak the information and all of your ministry videos is accurate Each person is unique Speaking styles are different between my husband and I he is more direct and I am more passive I won't however make an effort to make him become an alter ego of mine Due to the fact that we are both unique people our personalities and tones are different For example, I am more firm in certain situations than I deem important where he is more flexible However, that should not distract us from the truth We might always like the delivery, but what's in the package?  I was like that was a bar right there when I read the sisters quote right there. I'm gonna read that again They said she says we may not always like the delivery, but what's in the package?  What do you desire?  Also regarding that 20 Comment that was so inappropriate a lower number doesn't mean lower value For example, everybody doesn't isn't going into Princeton and Harvard only a select few because they are specifically chosen a bigger crowd Doesn't equal higher value integrity does I Don't care how kindly you say you're robbing me.  I'm not sure why folks don't get this concept What strikes me the most is that you are all parents Why tell lies about a child's parent when it affects them so much? Disgusting because children are incapable of handling what adults can God bless and keep it up We pray for your whole family and so I wanted to read that and I definitely share my appreciation and gratitude to the sister and Her family as well they too have been in been recipients of unfortunate of church abuse and of bullying from people even close to them as well and You kind of like those things kind of relate to you, you know I'm saying so Thank you sister. You know who you are. God bless you. Thank you so much for that and and may your tribe Increase as well. So thank you for that. Now what I want to do is I want to lay some Some foundational scriptures out. I've already told my guests. I'll be bringing them on one side, you know, lay some other things out in preparation for this discussion and I Want to share them share my screen because I want us to read and follow along with me With the scriptures that I want to bring to your bring to your attention and some of these are review But I but it's always good to review to keep these things in our mind so that we know how to Government ourselves when these issues arise and I know they will Of course Roman shot the 14 verses 1 through 23. I'm gonna read the whole chapter We've read it before I'm gonna highlight some verses and some portions of the of the text But I'll start at verse one it says now accept the one who is weak in faith But not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions One person has faith that he may eat all things but he who is weak eats vegetables only The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat and The one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats For God has accepted him Verse for who are you to judge the servant of another to his own master? He stands or falls and he will stand for the Lord is able to make him stand One person regards one day above another another person regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his or her own mind Verse 10 But you why do you judge your brother or you again? Why do you regard your brother with contempt for we will all stand before the judgment seat of God? Verse 13 therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this not to put a obstacle or stumbling block in a brother's way I Know and I'm convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself But to him who thinks it anything to be unclean to him it is unclean Dude therefore verse 16 do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil All things indeed are clean verse 20 But they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense verse 22 the faith which you have have as your own conviction before God Happy is he or she who does not condemn himself in what he approves But he who doubts is condemned if he eats because his eating is not from faith and whatever is not from faith is sin First commit then chapter 1 and verse 10 Now I exhort you brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you But that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same Judgment and then in also chapter 11 verse 19 for there must also be factions among you So that those who are approved may be made evident among you Galatians chapter 2 verse 11 through 14 But when Cephas came to Antioch I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned for prior to the coming of certain men from James He used to eat with the Gentiles But when they came he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof Fearing the party of the circumcision The rest of the Jews joined him in his and join him in his hypocrisy in hypocrisy with the result That even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel I said to Cephas in the presence of all if you being a Jew live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews How is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? James chapter 4 verse 1 through 3 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? It's not the social pleasures that wage war in your members you lust and do not have so you commit murder You are envious and cannot obtain so you fight and quarrel you do not have You do not have because you do not ask You ask and do not receive because you may you ask with wrong motives so that you may spend it on your pleasures And then lastly Jude verse 17 19 but you beloved ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ that they were saying to you And the last time there will be markers following their own on golly lusts These are the ones who cause divisions worldly minded devoid of the spirit I Wanted to read those verses just to kind of like set that the tone and the stage of what we're going to be talking about tonight With my guests that we bring it on shortly because I do believe That a lot of the conflicts and a lot of the the issues that we have in the body of Christ although we are one body Many members Different functions. There seems to be a lot of war a lot of contention a lot of strife Unfortunately in the body I put up a poll question earlier as well And I had asked the question For those who have not seen it yet, I would encourage you if you don't mind to participate in it And it said the question was why do you believe some Christian? Why do you believe Christians can't get along with other Christians 59% said one of both are being carnal? 41% so far have said one is spiritual and one or the other is Fleshly so if you have not participated in that in that poll if you like to do so it is in the chat You can enter your answer what you think the issue of contention or conflict in the body of Christ is My first guest that I have on I believe the his handle is a sort of truth His name is Eric And so he he will be joining me in just a moment I brought him on because He has shared his concerns or his contention With those who embrace Calvinism or those who are reformed I have had opportunity to read his comments Instead of me just assuming what he said I wanted to share them With with you the viewer and also I reached out to him and this is why he had accepted my invitation And I do appreciate and thank him for that But one of his posts that he had made He says why do reformed Calvinists think they are obligated to make merchandise off the gospel? These guys will expose the prosperity, word of faith, demon slayers, NAR, etc crowds But yet many of them make videos as quote content creators in quote All the while monetizing their channel selling merch Soliciting donations and much more They're no better than all the quote heretics in quote the expose But actually they are worse Repent he says he says repent You digital panhandling bums And work like men instead of the feminine sissy girls sitting behind a computer Pontificating all day and acting super pious He says okay ran over And then in his following Comments people have responded and said Ricky according said reformed the cabinets are the same thing Ricky said and these infidels need to repent And he also responded says some of your buddies do this by the way And Ricky responded to Eric and says wait you believe we're infidels And Eric responded to rick and said I didn't say you are but those making money off the gospel are They're actually worse than infidels. He says and then he Uh persists on in his comments and said What stevy said to Eric? I'm truly surprised to hear that about reformed cabinets I've thought of them as golly people and people of integrity. I also like your statement work like men so true And so I reached out to Eric love And I um Asked him that would he be interested in having a conversation He said he does he does and he also laid out four things and four points that I want to share as well He says number one He said i'm not a part of the mob number two Not mentioning the financial motivations of for alan par. I guess he wanted to address and and Confront me about that of the video and I'll give him the opportunity to clarify that But these are the four things he wants to to uh to to raise or to ask me Uh about why I guess not mentioning the financial motivations for alan par number three the financial motivations that you The meaning myself and others may have for making content aka making merchandise off the gospel and then fourthly what bible you use so I wanted to give him the opportunity to explain and elucidate this point clarify or either Condemn his own statements, but if not then we'll have a good conversation with that my second guest also jp I've been on his his platform before about a year ago. He could probably tell me it not But I wanted to have an opportunity to talk with him He has concerns about what he has observed what he has seen within the reform community Uh the hypocrisy, I guess he says and and I would understand it. I definitely agree with that But he wants to share his perspective and his thoughts and so this is going to be an unscripted conversation I don't know everything these gentlemen are going to say, but I wanted to give them the opportunity and the platform Uh to come up so without any further ado Introduce to both of you to both these gentlemen to you Eric and jp. Welcome to the broadcast. Thank you all so much for joining Okay, um, yeah, I should be able to hear me Okay, there you go. All right jp. You good Yes, sir. All right. Eric. How about you? Can you hear me? Well Nope, not yet You you you you were hot at first man. Try it again Check check you check your mute. Make sure your mic is not muted Nope not yet You should be good. Let's let's try it again. Let's work it. Let's work it out. We should be okay But uh jp. You can't hear me good, right? No, I can hear you good. Okay. Good. All right. Um Eric check it check your levels making sure that you can um Hear me. Okay, because I can say it make sure your mic is not muted anymore Okay, so you're saying it's not Okay, tell you what? I can see you and I can but I can't hear you I can see you but I can't hear you So maybe come back out and then come in And then let's see if that works. Yeah, just come out and come back in. Let's try that. Okay So, um, as he's doing that, um jp man, welcome for welcome to the broadcast man I think this is the first time that I've actually Had you on is that is that true? I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I may be old Before on my channel, but we I've never been on your channel before. Okay. Okay. All right So I'm glad I'm glad you came on man. And I know you have some things you wanted to share Let's see if we can get Eric on again. Let's see them get him on here Sign him to this one. All right. How about now Eric? I can hear you can hear me now. Yes. There we go. There we go. Good. Good. All right. All right Don't don't touch nothing. Don't move. Don't move nothing else Let me go on the record. Mr. Seiko Woods. I do not know who Eric is and I do not know his views I don't he could be a heretic for all I know. So let the record show right and vice versa for him with you Yes, yes, I know who JP is. I know of him. Okay But this is one of you gentlemen have and either one of you gentlemen have been briefed or anything like that by me There's no script or anything like that. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Good. Good. Just want to make sure we're fair and we're clear with that. All right, so Eric, let's start with you introduce yourself to my uh to the viewers people who may not know you Give you the opportunity to introduce yourself and what brings you on All right. So my name is Eric Many, you know, my channel is sort of truth. Some of you don't I know many of you do As I obviously make a lot of content on my channel street preaching exposing false teachers preaching sound doctrine preaching the truth Also, many of you who watch my channel know that I also obviously share a lot about men Working with their hands. I think it's valuable. I think it's very important Um, I understand if there's men who maybe they're maybe they're amputees or maybe they uh, maybe they're paralyzed Maybe they have to work from a desk. I get all that. I understand that so, um You know a big thing again a big thing that I'm I'm opposed to is men who make merchandise off the gospel as we'll We'll get into later, but um, but that's just a quick rundown. Obviously, um For those who want to know or don't know Um, I grew up in and out of church was a false convert Um thought I got saved in prison, but then was a false convert as well Uh, and what I mean by that is I was sitting under false teachers like jollo seen creflo dollar Um, you name it like those kind of guys and then actually got truly born again in 2011. So All right, I appreciate it man. Well, thank you for joining. All right and, um jp Let people know a little bit about yourself man and and what brings you on and what we are, uh, What you would like to talk about tonight Well, I'm hearing that there are people chasing after, uh, Mormons. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't know what's going on around here, but this seems to be a lot of craziness going around here and, uh You know just the hypocrisy in all world views, right? You have the catholics. You have the Reform you have the arminians the way to protect their guys is crazy. It's like a cult, right?  I'm not reform. You know what i'm saying? So i'm out here I gotta just keep it a hundred by saying he keeps it a hundred. You know what i'm saying homie from detroit He's not lying. You know what i'm saying? There's problems out here So I just wanted to address that and especially the guy that's chasing around Mormons. I couldn't believe that actually happened Okay guy chasing them Yeah, all right Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. I have an idea, but he's talking about k-dub. I figured Come on k-dub. Yeah, so um, all right. So let's let me let me start with you eric.  You you don't really know me personally. Do you? No, I mean, I'm familiar how I became familiar with you Uh, just a quick background was your videos on g craig lewis Okay Because I used to I used to listen to g craig lewis and then once I saw your videos Yeah, then things started to you know, I started to see why I should not be listening to g craig lewis What what it was any video in particular? What was the turning point for you? Um, I mean if you I mean, it's just a lot. I honestly and then I mean, where do you begin? Where do you begin with him? I mean and uh Honestly, um I think the real tipping point for me aside from the fact of you know, his his stance on certain things um I think the real tipping point though honestly goes back to the making the merchandise You know how if you want the truth behind hip hop while you gotta pay for it You know, and I I think it's like if you really have the truth the word of god says buy the truth and sell it Not right. So why are you sitting here selling the truth if the lord is blessing you with all this knowledge and all this information Put it out there. Let people be get get free from this information Let him, you know, let him find freedom in understanding that especially those who are, you know, babes in christ Because well, I mean, let's just be honest most of that kind of information is is Is milky kind of kind of information You know what I mean like when I when I when I when I started seeking the lord hardcore G trev lewis is like one of the first people I came across And that kind of got me back into like, you know wanting to you know Follow the lord and really surrendered my life instead of living a lukewarm life. So anyway, so that was Not to go down a rabbit show here because we'll be here all night But it was basically it was basically you exposing Just I mean, I can't remember what all you expose. I mean you'd have to refresh my memory, but Regarding I think a lot regarding g correct. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. I mean that was that's what I said It was a lot. So the doctrine dealt with the abuse dealt with people You know witnesses that came forward Things like that, you know, basically brought all the receipts out. But uh, but yeah, I mean and that was Something that was I guess you can say thrust upon me because I wasn't I wasn't you know I'm looking for this and and that has been something that I've been always trying to convey to people I don't I don't go looking for this stuff. Um, this stuff kind of like, you know finds me People know my ministry people know what I do and what I'm about And so when these when these issues come up, you know, I want to make sure that I'm not just chasing, you know Salacious or just, you know fruitless Stories and situations I want to make sure that I have the facts and if the facts are Needed to be, you know, brought forth and and people need to be have accountable Especially those who are in ministry or pastors and elders and things like that Then we need to hold we need to hold a body of Christ accountable other than that Then we're an indictment to the world But the world sees the hypocrisy the world sees how we don't you know, govern our own while we're trying to Check them and which flies in the face of what Paul tells the Corinthian church in 1st and 5 that That those who are outside God judges not saying we can't you know speak against these things but We should not be so preoccupied with what's going on outside while the inside Is is imploding so but no, I appreciate you You know Sharing that and and and I didn't know that you had that you had caught on to my caught on to me through the You know the g craig video so So, so let me ask you this because again, you know, I want you to explain You know a person like me you consider a person like me a christian or no um I mean Like okay. Well, what is the gospel? Are you asking are you are you asking me? I'm asking yes as as as to determine if you are truly a christian or not Sure The gospel the gospel is the is the death barrel of resurrection of Jesus christ first quiz is 15 1 through 3 That's the gospel also It looked chapter 3 repentance is also part of the gospel and I had my debate With uh with uh, Sean Lazar just this past weekend. Uh, I elucidated that The gospel is not just about any event the gospel is about the effects Once a person has been saved how how do they how do we know? An individual to say well by how they live and and the fruit that they produce Is it going to be perfect? No because we're not perfect vessels But we should be striving for it because God has given us as 2nd Peter 1 verse 3 says everything we need for life and godliness and so Uh, those of us who have been saved those of us who are connected to the true vine As the bible says then we will produce fruit more fruit and much fruit There's no such thing as a person being connected to an electrical outlet and there'd be no change at all So how can we be connected to the the ultimate source of power of all things? And there'd be no change in our life in our conduct in our speech and our thinking again Sanctification is a process sanctification is something that is not a one-stop shop Uh justification happens at the moment of salvation But sanctification will take a lifetime on this side of heaven. We should always be growing from glory to glory But we have not always we have we would not arrive here. Uh, we are looking for our home Uh in heaven. So, uh, just to give you the summation of that. Does that does that suffice? Hey, I will say it does and I will say this most of the time when I ask people that They get offended And they don't want to answer really. Yeah Did I make history? I won't say you made history, but I mean I mean I'm gonna make history with you because you're assuming that I didn't You mean you you asked well, no, no, I I have to ask I have to yeah, no, no I'm good with that. Yeah, I'm not offended. I'm not offended at all. Yeah, because I mean in honestly when when we know what we were And what we are now what we what we were and what we came to when we came to salvation We we should want to share that, you know, like the sake of still saved if he doesn't read the kjv Just for my reference because I'm curious The fact that I even have to dignify that with a response What the fact that I that the fact that you would even ask that you actually think I believe that I mean, are you a kjv only? I believe it's king james bible is the word of god in english. Yes, but what if I don't read the kjv? Well, I mean that doesn't mean you're not saved. Okay. What does it mean then? What's huh? What does it mean? What do you mean? What does that mean? It means it means you need to graduate it means you need to it means you need to graduate Okay, so because and let me just let me just kind of like I guess Piggy back on on what jp said because that was one of the fourth one of the four questions that you had asked me You know, what what bible do I doubt that right that question? Right, but I there's a there's a there's a sequence of of questions how I want to do it So that question is actually okay. No problem. I mean, but yeah, I want to make sure that you know We do address that so right um, but the first but the first question you had asked you had uh, You had wanted to address it. Well, you said you're not a part of the mob. So that's fine. Right. So Just get that off the top. I'm not a part of the mob. I don't support john mcarthur Uh, I don't support honestly. I mean, there's not many kelvin or some really supportive of us to be honest Okay I don't be wrong. I've gleaned from paul washer. I gleaned from bodhi bakum But you know at the end of the day, I mean, I think when it comes to one calling yourself a calvinist I think is in and of itself carnal like your question has When you go to first Corinthians one and first Corinthians three when you start calling yourself I'm of calvin. I'm of lutheran or luther, you know, I'm of I'm of this one I'm a methodist that to me that in and of itself is is carnal because in the word of god It says that we were we're called christians. We're called believers. We're called saints So so let me let me ask you this question. Um, do you believe that there should be some context if I'm saying, um If I say I'm a trinitarian is that is that a sin? I mean, I'm not saying I know I never said it was a sin. I don't know what you say. It's carnal I mean you say you say this right so but being carnal Is not being it's not being it's not being golly, right? Well, I mean, we know we know the word trinities We know the word trinity is not a biblical word But but the concept is right I mean, you could say the concept is yeah, but I was gonna say what the I was gonna say what the scripture says Do you believe that do you believe in one god three persons? I believe in the godhead One god three persons I do well, I believe in the godhead right one god and three persons, right If that's how you want to worry. Well, I'm asking I'm asking you Do you believe that jesus christ is god the spirit is god and father was god, right? Okay, so so if I say I'm a trinitarian Is that is that a sin to identify myself with a theological concept? I mean, I just don't think it's necessary Is that an opinion or that is that an objective standard that the word of god tells me not to do Well, I mean, don't once you say it's kind of carnal according to no, it's not No, but the content the first quit is not talking about it. I wasn't but I wasn't but here's the thing I wasn't talking about saying trinitarian. I was talking about calvinist lutheran You know when you start naming yourself after these men Well, again, what I'm saying what you had the apostles you mean you had the disciples of john. Is that carnal? Well, what again, what does paul say? I mean, no, I'm not no, I'm asking what is the god Did they call themselves Johnists or no, they call themselves disciples of john You're talking about the ones and cycles of Disciples of john disciples of john John matter fact john matter fact john John the paul said there's disciples of john when he was when he was talking about john the baptist John's disciples the disciples of john so is john carnal Well, again, they weren't calling themselves johnites No, I think you're being I think you're being semantic now because it's not semantic Because I'm asking a clear question. I'm asking a quick quick question if the text says the disciples of john Okay, so would you say you're a disciple of calvin? I don't know calvin and I and I and I mean when I when I say i'm a calvinist I'm not saying that to boast in a man I'm saying that I'm identifying with a theological system And technically and technically and technically eric technically calvin didn't introduce these So then why call yourself a calvinist that makes no sense? Well again, but but but i'm at but i'm i'm asking i'm asking your question. I'm asking your question If you if you're telling me that it's a sin Then you're going to have to bring the burden of truth and show me in scripture And when a person did I say it was sin what carnality is sin brother Carnality is fleshly that means that means of the flesh look it up Okay So either our mother spirit or a mother flesh now can I behave carnally? Of course But to say that i'm carnal because i'm identifying with a particular system Only for the only for the sake of clarification So then that's charging then that's charging then that's charging another brother With sin and that's why I read the roman's 14 passage just because you don't like something or just because jp may not like something Or just because I don't like something Who cares? What is the word of god say? So my my point is if i'm if i'm charging you with a sin Or i'm calling you carnal then i'm i'm bringing false accusation against you without biblical evidence of biblical proof Well, I just I just went by the scripture paul said it's carnal when you say i'm of calvin or i'm of luther I mean it's that simple You want me to put up the text again so we can read it in context First correct is chapter one first correct is chapter one verse 10 All right first is chapter one verse 10. Yeah, let me go ahead and pull it I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and share it on the screen if y'all It's gonna say that if I quote myself a trinitarian i'm carnal That's why i'm asking him Oh, okay So let's look at the text. Let's look at the text. Let me go back again. Sorry Here we go Verse verse verse 10 first comethians chapter one now I exhort you brethren by the name of our lord jesus christ that you all agree That you all agree That there be no divisions among you But that you be made complete and in the same mind and in the same judgment.  That's the that's that's the issue Now I mean this that each one of you is saying i'm a paul i'm of apollos And i'm of syphus and i'm of christ verse 13 has christ been divided paul was not crucified for you was he or were you baptized in the name of paul I thank god that i baptized none of you except christmas and gayus So that no one would say you were baptized in my name and so he just goes on right to my point is The context of the of the whole situation is that they were dividing over people over personalities Me saying that hey, I you know if a person matter of fact of a person says hey um if i'm reading john six And I say well john six says you know such and such no man comes to the father but by me That's not like calvinism. I'm just reading what what christ says. Well, that's that's what calvinists believe Okay, call it what you will I have no problem with that But if you're saying it in a in a in a divisive or the the risk of term Then that's where the context of this passage is referring to these people are dividing over personalities They're not dividing because a person is saying well, hey, I I embrace this position I embrace this position and we can be able to you know lovingly graciously live together or Fellowship together. No, they're dividing because a person doesn't believe what I believe and vice versa and it's causing conflicts in the church That's the whole point of the passage. So eric. I'm asking you again, brother If you're telling me that of a person is saying I identify with a particular theological Tenant or slant that they're being carnal. They're being in sin Why call it calvinism you said you're reformed right? Yeah, so why not just call it reformed why call it calvinism Because calvinism because calvinism is a is a is an offset of reform theology But you said it existed before calvin. What are you talking about? The faith that you hold to you say you you say it came before calvin, right? What faith that I hold to well, hold on. Let me make sure you understand what faith Do I hold that came before calvin Christianity, right the theology and the understanding that you hold to Mm-hmm Came before calvin, right? Well technically I hold to the teachings of christ That's what I hold to so why call it calvinism because we're talking about a system the same reason why I say i'm a Trinitarian the same reason I say i'm a Baptist I believe I believe in in credo baptism. So I'm gonna call myself a credo Baptist too So my question is why why my question is why is it sinful to identify with a particular system? Insofar as I am not boasting or bragging and if you're saying okay, well, you may have seen people say Well, I'm a calvinist and you you just do some sorry armenian. I get that now that violates description about okay But but that's not me though. So you made a statement on facebook Hold on. Hold on that statement. I made on facebook. Did I say your name in that statement? You want to put it you want to pull the quote up again? Yeah, that your name wasn't in there No, no, my name wasn't in but you talked about people that that corner quote making merchandise of money You talked about Calvinists you talk about Calvinists too. So In the ones I was mainly talking about were the mob You didn't you didn't you didn't clarify that though. That's why I told Ricky. Some of these are your friends Okay, but you didn't clarify you made you made a blanket. That's like me saying that's like me saying white people are the devil But why would you assume I was talking about you? I'm asking the question That's why I brought you on because I wasn't talking about you But you said Calvinist in particular in particular it was the mob because The mob had a meetup in Douglasville, Georgia Which is also where I live and I had intended on going there and bringing these concerns to them What concerns were there? Well, the concerns of them making merchandise of the gospel number one I mean, that's a big concern I mean, I remember kdub before he even started when he had 100 subscribers I remember kdub from back then And I've seen how much he's changed since he started making merchandise off the gospel This isn't a this this this this conversation with me and you tonight isn't necessarily about kdub. However I intended on going to the night unfortunate. I didn't get off of work soon enough. So I couldn't get there to do so But that was my intentions because it's wrong It's wrong to sit there and make merchandise off the gospel So Yeah, so, uh, this is very inconsistent because you're saying you have a problem with him calling himself a Calvinist But you're saying why doesn't he just call himself reform? But that's still That's still a label because But that's something here's a thing Calvinism is literally based off another man a man's name like Lutheranism Calvinism But you know, but you know where the Protestant Reformation started, right? You know how that started, right? Yeah, I do. You know who started it? Luther, okay Okay Christians existed before the Protestant And I'm agreeing with you on that bro. But what I'm saying is you said why did I call me a reform? Why don't why don't some reform? I'm saying it doesn't matter what I call myself If I'm identifying what a particular set or a particular theological view It's not sending any of itself to do that unless I'm causing the vision intentionally And this is what paul was talking about because I gave you I just gave you one example Just one if I say that I identify or I believe in matter of fact, let's say I'm a tutelianist What tutelian was the one that that that that codified and one that initiated originated the doctrine of the trinity okay, so He all he did was was take what the word of God said and he made it a concept But it came from the word of god So if I said that I'm a I'm a I'm a baptist because I believe or I'm a credo baptist because I believe in immersion I believe that born again believers not babies I'm not a paido baptist But I know I know I have some brothers and sisters who are paido baptists, but I'm not a paido baptist. I'm a credo baptist I don't believe in baptizing babies. So if I identify myself and saying hey, I hold to credo baptism But I'm not I'm not dividing or I'm not attacking My brother or sister who may hold to infant or paido baptism. What's the problem with that? So so let's say all that's true, right? So you read my post So if my if you knew then my post didn't apply to you, why would you assume that it did? Well, what they applied to me or not you made a general statement And you and I said you made a broad statement basically it looks like attacking Calvinist and attacking anybody who quote unquote monetizes their channel I'm monetize my channel. So here's my question. You're saying that I am what'd you call math? And let me let me pull it up. Let me let me pull it up Because I want I want to get the quote, right? I don't want to I don't want to mess up anybody Go right ahead man. Go ahead. Is there a problem? Okay, so Seiko can't call himself a Calvinist because that's from a man Look, hold on. Hold on.  Yes, but what should I call myself if I'm not reformed? You say seiko can All right, all right You guys can call yourself whatever you want if you're not reformed. I mean, aren't you born again? Aren't you born again christian? Why not call yourself that that's biblical Oh, okay, so christian christian if you find christian in the bible you find you find born again in the bible You find no, you don't you find saint in the bible. So then why can seiko call himself reformed? Where do we get that standard? But then I can't If that's what seiko wants to say It's not consistent. You're saying he can't call himself a Calvinist, but he can call himself reform I said he can call himself whatever he wants. Okay, so hold on. Let me let me read you Let me read you say if he wants to call himself a Calvinist, he can Yeah, let me let me read you say yourself in our menu and you can yeah, let me read you statement, Eric Let me read you statement jp. Hold on. So here here. Just if you see it on the screen I don't know if you have another device because I have it on I have it on the screen right now for those who can See it as well. But here's what you said. You said, why do we form Calvinists? Okay, you didn't say why do you certain reform cabinet? You say, why do we form Calvinists? Think that they are obligated to make merchandise off the gospel These guys will expose the prosperity word of faith demon slayers n.a.r Etc. But yet many of them make videos as content creators. You have it in quotes All the while monetizing their channel selling merch soliciting donations and much more They're no better than all the heretics. You have that in quotes Uh that they expose but actually they are worse repent You digital panhandling bums and work like men instead of effeminate sissy girls sitting behind a computer Pontificating all day and acting super pious. Okay rant over for now next time I start calling our names So I if you if here's your opportunity now then bro Your opportunity is now you want to call out the names that way if you're not talking about me Then that then that's cool. Uh, but your opportunity for you to clarify what you what you're saying You have the floor. Well, number one Let's because that's part of number three. I'm not mistaken number That's part of number two number three of the of the yeah, you can mix them together no matter go ahead You put them all together of the of the four points that I uh, That I propose to you. So the second the second point I proposed to you was alan par Yes, and why you did not bring up his financial motivation for making videos You want to why you want to answer that question now? Go ahead because I'm not the fourth member of trinity. That's why I don't know his heart. That's number two number three I just read to you in roman chapter 14. Who am I the justice servant of another now? Unless he said he's in it for the bag Then I can go at him for that but I can't judge a brother or a sister for them monetizing their channel and making and making content Because that is work though, eric. You may not believe it's work, but it's work And you can satisfy but that's that's that's that's work because you don't like it or because you don't care for it You have no right and either do I to tell another man or tell another woman or another sister in christ How they are to make content in so far is the content is not dishonoring and not and not Not glorifying to god and not benefiting the body of christ because that is the whole purpose of first green Instead of 10 verse 31 whatever we do due to the glory right out of god. Therefore when I put up content I'm putting in work bro Every single time I put up content So let me ask you a question go right here. You believe you believe what you're doing right now is hard work Right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's work. But I mean when you want to define hard work for you because listen I don't listen. I don't want I don't want to I don't want to assume anything You tell me what hard work is for you because now we want to measure what hard work is So you tell me what hard work is go right here. Okay. Well, you got the floor. Let's let's back up. Let's back up Because we got a lot of questions going at one time So let's go back to the original point. The point was was about Alan par and you not mentioning it So I want to clear I want to get that out of the way first then we'll jump right into number three So with Alan par you did not bring up financial motivations For his little video that he made playing a little playing the little manipulating music in the background Now I did for the record for the record Eric Go ahead man go ahead go ahead My point my my And if I'm wrong, I'll repent if I'm wrong I believe the reason you didn't mention the financial motivations is because you would have a beam in your own eye and it would make you a Hippocrite because you also make merchandise Off the gospel you make merchandise off these videos with your ads selling merch promoting promoting your merch asking for donations Why I mean That's my take on it now again. I could be wrong You are but go ahead continue I'm wrong. So I'm wrong that you're not you're like like like two left shoes on amputee. You're wrong, bro Oh, yeah, you're wrong. So you're not making merchandise. Oh, yeah, I'm making merchandise. Yes. I am Say it again. Yes. I am making merchandise. Yes. You're making merchandise. Yes What is the word of god have to say about that? Which one you want to go to because now if you I hope you're gonna do it in context now, Eric You want to go in context? Peter first Okay, you want me to pull it up? You want to read it?  Yeah, let me let me go ahead and pull it up for you But I'm gonna read it though for sure. All right. Give me your text. Give me a ticket Come on make sure I'm on the same page with you. Give me your text second Peter chapter two second Peter chapter two. All right And then I have Other scripture. Oh no problem. No problem. No problem Now I hope you understand what you're doing, right? What am I doing? Well, you about to find out but go ahead. You want me to stop at verse three? You want me to stop at verse five? Doesn't matter My way, give me your text. Give me your text of support. I want to make sure I have the right Just go to second Peter chapter two. Uh-huh one through we'll go one through five Okay, there we go. We'll go one through one through three for now because there we go go ready.  You got the flow, sir. Go right here. So but there were false prophets also among you I'm sorry, but there were false prophets also among the people Even as there shall be false teachers among you who privately shall bring indamable heresies Even denying the lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction And many shall follow their pernicious ways by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of And through covetousness Shall they with feign words make merchandise of you whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not And their damnation slumbereth not That's it Yeah, that's I mean, that's all I really needed to read in those regards. That's it. You you you you didn't want it You didn't want to exegete that Well, I know what you're gonna say. You're gonna say, well, I'm not a false teacher I'm not a false prophet. Are you are you well, could could we start there with the first question then? Since you've read in my mind. Thank you, Holy Spirit. Um, am I a false teacher? Oh, I know Well, I mean, I'm I'm answering your your your response. Am I a false teacher? When it comes to this doctrine, I believe you are yes So when it when it comes to making merchandise off the gospel and you thinking that it's okay, that would make you a false teacher So I'm a false teacher Yes You're falsely teaching that you can make merchandise off the gospel. I'm falsely teaching this. Okay. Yes. Okay So you're gonna read the rest of the text? I mean if you want for if god spared not the angels that sin You want me to keep reading? I want I want you to read verse verse verse two. Oh, sorry Hmm And many shall follow their pernicious ways by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of And through covetousness shall they with fame words Make merchandise of you whose judgment now of a long time linger if not and their damnation slumber if not Um, so let me make sure I get your point here. So in verse verse two Well, first of all, let me go to verse one So I'm a false teacher What what covert and overt heresies am I teaching? Eric I said in particular with this doctrine. Again, I'm asking you so no no problem What covert and overt teachings am I teaching people regarding making merchandise of people?  I do. Okay. What are the ones? Well, this is one of the few stories we find in all four of the gospels So I mean you could pick any anyone you want, but when jesus goes into the temple and he kicks out the money changers You could say in today's times. This is similar to that to my john too Whichever one you want to go to it's in john too. It's in luke. Yep Can we put it away you too as well Go ahead. All right first 14 I believe yeah You know what 20 brothers say for my friend my uh, my youth pastor Is in the comment section And he told us the context of the selling in the temple. So right right, right? Well, well the burden of proof is on is on my brother eric I want him to give me the context of john too.  You go. It's on the screen. Um, you're right here We'll actually be back up to Over back up to verse 12 verse 12. Okay After this he went down to capernaum He and his mother and his brethren and his disciples and they continued there not many days And the jews passed over was at hand and jesus went up to jerusalem and found in the temple Those that sold oxen and sheep and doves and and the changers of money sitting And when he had made a scourge of small cords He drove them all out of the temple and the sheep and the oxen and poured out the changers Money and overthrew the tables and said unto them that sold doves take these things hence Make not my father's house and house of merchandise and And his disciples remembered that it was written the zeal of thine house Have eaten had eaten me up Mm-hmm So I know I know I know and I know and I know what you're I already know what you'll say to this, but Eric you already know what I'm gonna say Go right here.  Mm-hmm. Nice try though Uh, you gonna give me the historical context of this passage Go ahead.  Why was jesus beaten him out of the temple? Well, it's obvious Well, then obviously stated they were making murk. They were making merchandise in the temple Why were they making merchandise? Why was jesus beaten him out of the temple making merchandise? What was the reason why was the reason why? Well, he was quoting from the old testament about the seal of thine house at the eatin and have Or but what was the reason why he He made a cord And was beating the money changers out of the temple I mean, it's I'm kind of like giving you the cheat codes But please tell me why why was why did jesus beat these people out of the temple? For for making merchandise out of these individuals now I'll just go ahead and give it to you because I know you don't know it Because they were extorting The poor They were starting the poor The issue was People who could not afford to buy doves They would have to go to the temple and they were and they would make exorbitant amounts of money Overcharging them because they knew they were obligated to make sacrifices And so it was basically supply and demand kind of like right now when we live in our culture and society You know, we pay all this money for eggs and usually we don't have to pay this much money for it before Jesus was beating them beating the brakes off of them for extorting the poor Question you just caught me a false teacher in 2nd Peter chapter 2 And then you quote John 2 Saying that I'm making merchandise Off of you said it. No, no, no your logic your logic because these are the texts that you're using To charge people like me For making merchandise of individuals for profit without the context and without you even asking So actually you're violating Proverbs 18 13 You're making accusations without ascertaining facts which bible called you a fool. I'm not saying it. God says it I always say see you're not trying to live off of this When you say live off of it, um, I'm trying to earn a living off of anything that I do Now I'm hoping that you're going to go to 1st Corinthians 9 I I hope and pray you do and I hope you pray that you go to 1st Timothy 5. I hope and pray you do I already know why you want to go to wow. I hope you hope you go to the door I'm hoping that you I'm hoping that you're gonna say because you're gonna say to not muzzle the ox, right? Okay, so so, but what's the principle behind it though?  Here's the reason why let's go. Let's go to first Let me see. Let's go to first Corinthians. Uh first Corinthians two. Let's go there Here's the reason why I can't judge another man's motive. All right Here's why first Corinthians chapter two verse 11. We'll start we'll start there Process for who among men knows the thoughts of a man Except the spirit of the man which is in him eric. Here's my question You want me to judge this man's motives and I don't know this man's motives nor his heart. I would have to be god Would you agree with that? So it's not obvious No, are you god? No, but here's the thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you say you say isn't it obvious? Why would it be obvious make it know man's motives? Let's make it obvious. Okay. Go right ahead Tell me how is it obvious that I should have judged this man's motives. Tell me how first versus with you for instance every video you start off Here's how you can donate get my merch. Yeah, you're you're constantly pushing it. Like people don't already constantly push you Share like people don't already know Eric here's the question. Eric. Here's the question Show me where that's a sin So you don't think again. No, no, no, no, no anybody what I think show me What does god think about it? I'm giving the scripture because so far you owe for two. So I'm asking you No, this is a game. This is a game. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is kind of funny because I'm asking Asking you to you right? Well, it is because here's what I'm asking Eric, Eric, Eric brother Brother, it is because you don't you don't have any Because you're gaming the people So so now okay, so I'm extortioner. I'm a false teacher and I'm gaming the people. What what else am I? What else am I? What am I? What else am I? It's a game Well, this is this is kind of funny. This is kind of funny. It's sad and it's funny.  That was a big file You're committing isogeesis of the text, bro And you you can even give me that you accuse me of being a false teacher You accuse me of extorting people you go to john chapter two And you don't even know the background of the historical context of it on why Jesus beat these men out of the temple And yet you were trying to tell me That when I do my video number one that i'm not i'm not producing any work I'm not i'm not a hard worker. So I guess hard working for you I need to be plowing the till and plowing to feel like a slave. Is that what I need to be doing boss? Can I Here we go. Here we go. If that what I need to do it. I'm asking you. Here comes here. I'm asking you. I'm asking you Because I'm asking you. What is what is hard work? What is hard work? You tell me now see now?   I'm you. I'm asking you what is hard work Should I be out here slaving should I be out here towing to feel I see what you're doing I see what you're doing and that's a question. Nice try. It's not gonna work. I'm asking a question I'm asking what is hard work.  Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Eric. Eric. Eric. No, no, no, no, no, Eric.  Should I should I should I go out in the field? I make videos and I don't ask for one dime. That's your that's your preference, bro That's you.  Listen. Listen. Listen. The bible says the bible says That the laborer is worthy of his wage. The bible says those who preach the gospel should get their living from the gospel So now what if you tell me hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm asking you a question First Corinthians chapter nine verse 14. What does it say? Let's go to the text First one is nine first one is nine the con go ahead. We'll say we'll say JP. I'm sorry. Go ahead. What's say Well, yeah, yeah, my question to this fellow is this let's take things to its logical conclusions If you can't sell apparel because it's based off the gospel Then no one can sell christian apparel and christian apparel shouldn't exist Because somebody's making it and somebody by technicality is profiting or making it based off the gospel So then I don't think they should not wear. Hold on. That means I cannot wear a jesus loves you t-shirt Because somebody in the world made that t-shirt and therefore since it's based off the gospel And they're selling me a product that says I love jesus that person's in sin Therefore, none of us should wear christian apparel. Is that what you're saying? What number one that's not true people can make it for free And number two or give it away number two number two One I never said that but number two I don't think they should be selling it.  Let me put a T like this I I can count. I remember one day in particular. I count. Can you get back in the camera shot though? Eric, you gotta get back in the camera. Sorry. I was going to the microphone. No problem. All right I I counted one day. I got advertised on facebook at least 40 different christian clothing companies Oh, and what are they what all are they are they doing? They're making money. They're making merchandise off the gospel Bro, what's the problem when selling a t-shirt to somebody because Hold on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah In order for you to make product, right? There needs to be an aspect of resource, right? You can't just money doesn't grow on trees, right? There needs to be an aspect of creating Uh purchasing materials and things of that sort, right? And then you get funds and then you make more material and things of that sort So my question to you is this Are you telling me that if I purchase? a I heart jesus t-shirt That person that created that product is in sin. What if it's their business? So once again, you're making merchandise off the gospel It's that simple Where in the bible does it say that I cannot sell a I love jesus t-shirt? Where in the bible does it say you can? The bible says it clearly the laborer's worth of his it was a wage Oh, but here's a here's a question eric eric. What kind of bible do you have? Oh, you said king james, right? Right. I think it was obvious when I was reading Yeah, I'm just I'm for the sake of clarity. Um Who who who made that bible? Uh, who made this by this particular one was published by Thompson shane You think you think they you think nobody gave them money to make these bibles and sell them Did you purchase that bible? Did you know I did not somebody gave you free? Uh, yes, I did get it for free. Do you think everything is for free? Are you a socialist? Of course not You're not a socialist, right? You're not a socialist, are you? If if if you're you're logical, no, I didn't no, no, I did not vote for obama and no Praise god, but here's my question. Here's my question. If everything is supposed to be for free You can't sell anything Of religious of religious of religious significance, right? Yeah, we shouldn't we shouldn't Okay, so that's so then that's to then that's spiritual socialism because you believe That we should just give stuff away free.  Do you know who else? Do you know who else said jesus and essentially the gospel was merchandise? And a product You're gonna say what judas No, td jakes I'm not td jakes. So why why keep bringing td jake td jake said he said that jesus is a product He said it on his own. He's a wolf. So that's exactly but that's exactly what jp is basically saying. No He said oh product is a product. We can't. No. No. No what we're saying what we're saying what we're saying to you Eric is it takes money to do ministry? How do we know that because jesus made him jesus made it made it clear himself He when he sent his disciples out, he told him he told them when you go out When you go into this house, whatever they give you Receive it why for the laborer is let hold on for the laborer is worthy of their wages now Let's look at first committee chapter nine. Okay And then we'll look at second and now we're gonna look at second Thessalonians. Not a problem. Not a problem Paul is defending his apostleship Okay, the context of this of this passage is paul is defending his apostleship to the very people that he Had given the word of god to Right, he says am i not free He's asking rhetorical questions. Am i not an apostle? Have i not seen jesus our lord for those who think that apostles still exist today? anyway He says are you not my work in the lord If to others I am not an apostle at least I am to you For you are the seal of my apostleship in the lord verse three my defense my apologia to those who examine me Critique me is this do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take a believing wife? Even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the lord and seifers Or do only barnabas and I not have a right to refrain from working. Oh, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, man wait a minute Do only barnabas and I not have a right to refrain from working Who at any time serves as a soldier at his own expense Who plants a vineyard and does not eat the fruit of it Or who tends the flock and does not use the milk of the flock I am speaking paul says these things according to human judgment. Am I Am excuse me. I'm not speaking these things according to human judgment. Am I or does not the law also say these things For here's the purpose clause For it is written In the law of moses. You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing God is not concerned about oxen. Is he or is he speaking altogether for our sake answer? Yes For our sake it was written because the plowmen ought to plow in hope And that the and the thresher to thresh and the in hope of sharing the crops If we sold oh my gosh, come on paul What you say if we sold spiritual things in you if i'm teaching online if i'm taking resources if i'm using these lights in my house and these and these Its equipment and i'm giving spiritual meat In you if i'm selling spiritual meat in you is it too much we reap material meat from you If others share the right notice paul says if others share the right over you do we not more Nevertheless, we did not use this right notice. He says use this right He chose not to do it But we endure all things so that we would cause no hindrance to the gospel of christ Do you not know that those who perform sacred services eat the food of the temple? And those who attend regularly the altar have their share from the altar So then here it is right here eric So also the lord directed them Those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel unless it's social media Unless it's unless it's youtube Okay, and we'll get unless it's unless it's facebook and unless and we'll get into that Unless according to eric and unless it's according to eric no that i work hard according to his standard And not not not take the mental not take the mental intelligence and the mental tenacity and the mental Exercise that it takes for me to create content and for me to decide what's what's information i'm going to use the research The the the the work and all of that No, no, no verse 15. He says but i have used none of these things And i'm not writing these things so that i will be be done So it'll be done so in my case for it would be better for me to die Then have any man make my boast an empty one for if i priest the gospel i have nothing to boast of For i am under compulsion for woe is me if i do not priest the gospel for if i do it voluntarily I have a reward, but if against my will i have a stewardship And trust it to me what then is my reward reward that when i priest the gospel i may offer the gospel Without charge so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel For though i am free from all men i have made myself a slave to all that i might or that i may win the more So the purpose of why paul is writing to the Corinthian church eric Is because they are challenging and questioning his apostleship that they're accusing this man Is that he's in it for the money and he's asking rhetorical questions But he's also referring back to the law showing that every person who works Are to be compensated remunerated for what they do now you tell me how is paul supporting what you're saying I'll let you have the floor sir paul never stopped working number one He never stopped working and they should be compensated in the sense that yes Freely you give freely you receive right so it's a free will offering. It's a free will giving It's not it's not constraining them to give And that's what many of these ministries do especially when they beat it over the head Continuously constantly okay, you can give here. Okay give give give look if people want to give They're gonna find a way to give They don't need people to constantly beat them and badger them over the head to give And not just you you don't you i'll say it's you you offer it I don't see you doing like i've seen other ministries do it where they will literally Put on a guilt trip for people if they're not giving I see street preaching ministries do this I see online ministries doing this where they will literally lay a guilt trip before the people if they're not giving So are you apologizing for making calling me a false a false teaching and extortion Well, you are you wanting to make that apology right now publicly are you wanting to make that You said you said I said you're an extortion. I never said you did say that you said if that's you want to call it You said that's what I said. I said if that's what you want to call your side, right?  So do you want to retract that statement?  Your microphone is shaking. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, sorry Where if you feel like you're obligated To make money off this because here let me give back to my point with paul paul never stopped working He was still a tent maker and he was still making tents He never stopped making he never that's by choice. That's by choice. Eric. Okay, okay That's by choice. So if he chose not to but did you not read first Corinthians nine? He says do now we don't have a right not to stop working He says so only so only only bars and I we can't stop working But everybody has to stop working and live off the gospel but we can't that's his argument to the Corinthian church Because oh mind you mind you these same Corinthians had paper. They had money But now he's being accused by these Corinthians who had the money to support him. He said man I would rather I robbed temples did not get money from y'all because I don't want y'all thinking that I'm in it for the money Re second Corinthians chapter eight He elucidates that and tells them the people of Macedonia gave out of their poverty to me When you had the money to give but I didn't want to take it from you because I didn't want you Since you're being played and being gaslit by these false teachers having you thinking I'm not a true apostle I'm in it for the money and I'm taking advantage of you. Paul says man. Y'all keep y'all money there So now you're saying What about paul because paul just made it clear that the laborer Works and should be rewarded for his wage. He didn't say depending on what it is If I work I'm to be rewarded for my work. I have never for the sake of clarity I have never manipulated Gaslit or Mind screwed anybody on my channel never Yes, I will can hold on. Yes, I will continue every day when I come up and when I go live I would give people the option If you would like to support this ministry financially and I've always and I've always preference it by saying thank you To those of you who have consistently faithfully and graciously supported this ministry with your tangible expressions of love and financial support Thank you for that So how am I making or taking advantage of people when this is this is what I do now This is what you do because God told you to or because of your own free will Yeah Yeah, what? Yes, okay Second Thessalonians Okay Now, uh, I'm sorry second Thessalonians chapter three. All right Verse six and down Mm-hmm Now we command you brethren in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ That you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walk it disorderly and not after the tradition which he Have which he received of us For yourselves know how you ought to follow us for we behave not ourselves disorderly among you Neither did we eat any man's bread for naught But wrought with labor and travail night and day that we might not be chargeable to any of you Not because we have not power But to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us For even when we were with you this we commanded you that if any would not work Neither should he eat for we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly Working not at all, but our busy bodies now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ That with quietness they work and eat their own bread That's that's it I mean, I could please tell me please tell me you're gonna you're gonna explain this one better than you did Second Peter and john too, please I'm begging. I mean, it's it's pretty obvious, right? We'll make it make it obvious make it obvious Number number one. A lot of people who are content creators If you if you want to kind of bring it bring it to life with the scripture to in today's time A lot of content creators. They don't work, but rather they're busy bodies Can we can we can we go back ready for to one point? Did you make it? Oh, yeah, go ahead. Which point problem? Yeah, you said content what? Content creators So creator right Right I'm making something Okay, would that I mean I'm just asking I'm just asking Aside from those that you say and I would agree 100% aside from those who are Making content for the purpose of stirring up confusion and sewing division We'll not get them clowns forget them clowns. Okay. Let's talk about the content creators who are creating content. Okay key word create Is that work? Not necessarily. Okay. So that's what and so this is this is why I mocked you earlier because I said then what is work boss What is work? What is work to you? Tell me tell me what would be work that will satisfy your preference working Working with your hands having a business creating a business. Oh, so so a person who doesn't use their mind So a person that doesn't use their mind is not working I mean anybody can go on video make videos anybody anybody Okay, so all you need all you need is a phone or a laptop and so so so so now You make am I making my you making my point even more Work to you Has to be according to what you believe work is and if it's not If it's not they're sinning so now that makes you god and that makes you the person who judges No, yes, it does. Yes, it does because I just asked you clearly. I said what is work. You said work is working with your hands That's what you say it So if I'm using if I'm using my mind And if I am thinking of ideas to bless the body of christ if I am using if I'm presenting information You're saying that's not that's not working and then again, then you cite another text. So now you owe for three You owe for three now because you're taking the word of god and you're twisting it To your own selfish And personal agenda Eric and that's wrong my brother and here's the reason why let's look at the context Let's go back. Let me help you with the context again. Let's go back to second That's the long ends the verse that you that you ice-eated and let's exeget it clearly okay Verse six, right? That's what you was at, right? Yeah. Okay. All right Now we command you brother in the name of the lord of our lord Jesus christ that you keep away from every brother Who leads an unruly life eric? Am I leading an unruly life? well We'll get to that part four. No, no, I need you to answer the question I'm gonna we're going first by verse you said So people should stay away from me Because I'm lead what what unruly life am I am I leading? Well, what what are the so you're a pastor, right? Yes What church are you pastor of? I'm not currently a pastor and I still have I still have the calling My ordination is not has not been defrocked Okay, so Quality just like just like John Piper. It's a past. He's no longer pastoring. Just like uh everyone loses his past He's no longer pastoring. Yeah, I don't know that is Okay, I'm just told you This is a true saying if a man desire the office of a bishop He desires the good work. We know a bishop and pastor are interchangeable. Right any elder. Yeah, right a bishop then must be blameless the husband of one wife vigilant Sober of good behavior given the hospitality apt to teach not given to wine No striker not greedy a filthy lucre, but patient not a brawler not covetous One that ruled well his own house Having his children in subjection with all gravity for if a man know not how to rule his own house How shall he take care of the church of god? Not a novice less being lifted up with pride. He fall into the condemnation of the devil Moreover, he must have a good report of them which are without Less he fall into the reproach and the snare of the devil Um, and then it goes on talks with qualifications. So so you read you read that for what reason? Um, because we're talking about second. That's the longest three. So, right, right. We'll get back to that You said about being disorderly, right? Yeah, and and the qualifications of the pastor, right? So one of the qualifications of a pastor is the husband of one wife. Mm-hmm Literally one woman man. Literally one woman man. So that's so that's what you believe. That's what that means That's what the text says in the greek Okay, well my bible says the husband of one wife It literally I don't I don't I don't need to go to the greek Well, I'm giving you I'm giving you a degree and I don't have to go to the greek either But I'm giving you the literal the literal statement what the word means How many times have you been married? In my lifetime three as a new creation of christ once Second Corinthians chapter five verse 17. What you got? Okay. I'm just just asking No, well, I think you are new to answer to that. But what you're going with the eric? Come on. Let's keep it real No, you are you eric you already know the answer come on. Let's don't don't don't play the games. Let's go there. You don't You said you said you said you don't believe i'm qualified. You don't believe i'm qualified because in your mind once again Because i've been married three times in my entire life But one time as a new believer in christ and by the way 23 years is fine thing in my other room 23 coming june 3rd. What did what did jesus have to say to that? What did what did he have to say? I just gave you what paul said who was who was inspired by the god to say what he said Because now you now you're now you're chasing rabbits.  I ain't on my foot, bro He said whosoever put it away his wife and married to another committed adultery And whosoever married her that is put away from her husband committed adultery And mark that's what he had to say mark And i'm sure you're already familiar with the scriptures, but for conversation's sake And he saith unto them whosoever shall put away his wife and married another Committed adultery against her and if a man shall put away her husband and be married I'm sorry if a woman shall put away her husband and be married to another she committed What Hold on. Hold on. Hold on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me go to roman's, let me go to roman's I'm not done I think you were done when you started, but go ahead, man. I'm done. Okay, that's your that's your that's your view For the woman Okay, so roman's seven for the woman Which hath an husband is bound by the law to her so long as he live it But if the husband be dead she is loose from the law of her husband And so then if while her husband liveth, she'd be married to another man, she should be called an adulteress. But if her husband be dead, she is free from the law so that she is no adulteress, though she'd be married to another man. Eric, when are we gonna get to the text that you cited? Cause that you thought- Right, second, that's the one. My point is, my point is, is, if you're one, if you're not the husband or one wife and you're calling yourself a pastor, then you are walking disorderly.  All right. But I do want, this goes back to why I asked you what Bible are you reading from? So- We get- That's gonna matter. That's gonna matter. Yeah, it definitely gonna matter. It's definitely gonna matter. So we get the translation in just a minute. Cause this is fun. Okay, so based on your logic, you cited texts that have no support, no butchers to what you just said. But, so this makes you 0 for four, but let's see you're gonna be 0 for five in a minute. So I'm not qualified to be a pastor because of my past life. Well, doesn't scripture say whosoever? Whosoever what? Well, let me pull it up. Whosoever what? So are you saying I'm not qualified to be a pastor because before I would say I was married twice, I'm not qualified to be married to my wife now? Let me pull it up. Cause I know there's the infamous, everyone likes to go to the infamous, right, exception clause, right? I'm not, somebody exception clause. I'm just asking you. Well, Matthew 19, Matthew 19, that's why I'm curious what your version says.  And the reason why this does matter is because John the Baptist, when he rebuked Herod, when he rebuked Herod for taking his brother's wife, it's because it was divorce and remarriage. It was adultery in that sense. Okay, so you mentioned when I get it. And he was a lost person. Herod was a lost person. He wasn't born again. What's your point? What's your point? My point is, is why would he get rebuked for divorce? Not banging on your desk. You're making a mic shake. Sorry. Give me your mic, thank you. Why would he get rebuked for divorce and remarriage as a lost person if it doesn't matter? Herod was marrying his brother's wife. That's why John rebuked him. Right, okay. So what's your point about me? It's if it was divorce and remarriage. Because it was okay for Onan. It was okay for Onan to marry his brother's wife. We're not under the old covenant, brother.  So what I'm asking you, what it doesn't, I'm asking you this question. Here's my, here's my, here's my masking you. You just gave scriptures and they don't apply to anything that you said. You're trying to force a text on me. How does it not apply? I'm glad you asked, because I just gave you second Corinthians at the five verse 17. I just gave that to you. And then I'm gonna give you first Timothy chapter one. Okay, matter of fact, let me give you first Timothy one. And JP, feel free to chime in, brother, because I don't want you to feel like you left out in this conversation. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm enjoying this conversation. Okay, okay. All right, so let's go to first Timothy chapter one. Okay. Which first Timothy chapter one. And we'll start, let's go to verse 12. Verse 12. I'm just preserving my energy for Wednesday. That's all I say. Yeah, this one is, yeah. First Corinthians chapter one verse 12. All right, y'all have it. Oh, he's got first Corinthians. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, first Timothy, excuse me, excuse me. First Timothy, excuse me, first Timothy. Chapter one verse 12. And it's on the screen for those who want to see it. This is Paul, the apostle. Okay. Eric, what was he before he became an apostle? Do you remember? He was, well, you're saying before after salvation. Before, yeah, before salvation before he became an apostle. What was he? He was a Pharisee. What else was he? He was a Jew. What else was he? What was his occupation? He was, he was a tempman, but he was still as a temp maker after he became an apostle. In a spiritual sense. What was his, what was his occupation against the church? A murderer. Okay. Again, so he- Persecutor. He's a persecuted church, right? Okay, all right, good. Let's look at the text. Verse 12. Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me because he considered me faithful, putting me into service, even though I was, not am, this is past tense. This is his former life. Matter of fact, he says it right there. Thank you, Paul. Even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor, yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly and unbelief. And the grace of our Lord Jesus, of our Lord was more than abundant with the faith and love, which I found in Christ Jesus. It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners among whom I am foremost, or the King James says, am chief. He says, verse 16. Yeah, for this reason, I found mercy. Why, Paul? So that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate his perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in him for eternal life. Now, here's the thing. Now he goes into doxology. He's about to get his praise on. He's about to go on to be flat on the organ here, on the Hammon organ. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God be honor and glory for ever and ever, amen. Now, can we go to 2 Corinthians 5, 17 now? Can we go there? We can. I wanted to add one thing. This isn't in regards to the topic at hand today, but this is just a sidebar, just a quick sidebar. Since you read that particular scripture. Sure. You read where Paul said, well, in context, he was talking about his past life, right? Yes, yes. So when he says that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief, Paul's talking about his past life, right? Not talking about presently being a sinner, right? Yeah, he still considers himself of whom I am still the chief of the sinners. He's not considered. He's calling himself. Hold on, because I can't take your advice for this because I'm trying to teach you how to interpret the text. He says of whom I am, present tense. He's not saying I'm living in sin. He's comparing himself to the holiness of God. Okay. That's what he's doing, okay? He said, this is what God saved me from. I'm worse than all of y'all because of what I did to his bride, the church. This is what he says. Okay, thank you. Okay, so. I agree with that. Okay, so what's your question? What's your question? My quick question was, was do you believe born again Christians, born again saints of God are sinners still? No, we're saints by calling according to 1 Corinthians 1. We're saints by calling. We're saints by calling. But Christians, Christians, Christians, Christians sin, but we're not sinners. Wow. Well, we're in agreement on that one. Yeah, I never, I don't, you know what people say? Yeah, you know what people say sinners saved by grace. I kind of bristle with that. You know, I get the spirit behind it because I'm looking at the spirit behind what Paul is saying. He's saying, look, you know, of whom I am chief, but he's comparing himself amongst those that he has, you know, been saved among and how he persecuted the church. I always say, look, look, I'm the worst because I persecuted the church. I was a blasphemer. So, so, but in 2 Corinthians 517. Right. Paul says, matter of fact, let's go for context. Let's go up a little bit. And while you're pulling it up. Sure. 2 Corinthians 516. You're one of the only, you're one of the only professing reform guys I know who actually would believe it that way. Oh, okay. So I may hear you twice. Yeah. All the reform guys I know would say we're all sinners and we're always going to be sinners. No, no, no, no. They ain't what the Bible says. We're saints by calling them. Praise God. And we're children of God. We call us beloved. We call us sheep. We're not goats. But 2 Corinthians 5 verse 16 says, therefore, from now on, we recognize no one according to the flesh, even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him in this way no longer. Therefore, in a lot of what we know Christ to be, therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he or she is a new creature or a new creation. Old things and I'm gonna read your version because I get it on the screen right side by side of mine. Old things are passed away. He says they are passed away. Behold, new things are all things have become new. And oh, by the way, by the way, Eric, the verb tense is an instance in the indicative mood. It's a statement of fact. He's pause not giving an opinion. He says my old life is under the blood. My old life is under the cross. My old life is in Christ now.  And how do we know that? Because he says it also in 1 Corinthians chapter six, when he tells the unrighteous, they wanna inherit the kingdom of God. And he gives a whole list and litany of sins and says that these people practice this stuff, they wanna inherit the kingdom of God. And he says, but such were some of you.    You see what I'm saying? What I used to do, I don't do anymore. Ain't no such thing as a saved hoe, a saved homosexual, no such thing, okay? But there is such thing as Christians sinning after being born again. Why? Because we still continue with our flesh, okay? So my question to you is, you gave these scriptures, you cited first Timothy, so give me chapter three, verses one through seven. And you're saying I'm disqualified? When Paul said, when Paul under, by the matter of fact, God, because all scripture is inspired by God. So when God says, I'm not, but you're saying that I am. So whose report should I believe, the gospel of Eric or the gospel of the exalted Christ? I'll wait.  Didn't you have a past life, Eric? Didn't you say that you had a past life? So you shouldn't be preaching at all then, right? I shouldn't be preaching at all, I never said that. No, no, no, you need to say that, because you had a past life too. Why not? So why should you do what you're doing? But I can't do what God has called me to do. Because you're saying this. So when Jesus says, if you marry somebody who's been divorced. But you're going by my past, bro. What else you got?  Answer the question though. I just did. When Jesus says that, when he says, if you marry the person who's been divorced, he says it's adultery. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So what? You tell me, you tell me. You're saying I'm disqualified from my past life? But you agree with what Jesus says. I agree with everything Jesus said. I don't agree with what you're applying. If you marry the person who's been divorced, it's adultery, right?  Nobody, listen, nobody's arguing with that. What I'm arguing against what you're saying is, you're saying that I'm still an adulterer? So you're saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm asking, answer the question. Are you still saying that as a new creation in Christ Jesus that I'm still an adulterer? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Give me, give me what does the scripture say? Are you saying everyone who has a past life, they still are that after being born again? What did Jesus say? Okay. So you're not, you don't, you don't know scripture. JP, go ahead, bro. He Jesus said, he said he was still ever. He said he was still ever. Let me ask you a question, man. Go ahead, JP. Let me ask you a quick question. So obviously, Saco's been married for 23 years. So Saco's asking you, can you find something within those 23 years that disqualify him because we're not judged by our past? We have, we're born again. And if logically speaking, if you're born again, that means that you are something new that didn't do those things in the past. Therefore, logically speaking, you can't hold Saco to that standard because it's like if he never did him in the eyes of God. So what did Jesus say? He said, whosoever. Yes. So who is whosoever then? In the context of whosoever in the faith. In that context. Jesus said whosoever put away his wife who is whosoever. That's anyone. That's anyone, Eric. That's anyone. Thank you. You answered my question. Eric, Eric, Eric. You didn't want to point, Eric. You didn't want to point with that. We already agreed with you on that. But let me ask you to, Eric, Eric, Eric. Hold on, Eric, Eric, here's my question to you because I'm observing something about you. I'm a slim dude. I'm a slim dude. You're kind of husky. So you're saying my sin is adultery. The promise says, put a knife to your throat if you are taken by the king's delicacies. So do you have a problem with self-control? Are you gluttony? And Jesus said, judge not according to appearance. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Jesus said, judge not according to appearance. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, Eric, Eric, come on now. Come on now, Eric. Listen to me. Listen to me. Yeah, he did. If you're telling me, if you're telling me that I'm still, so basically you're implying I'm not even a Christian now because you say I'm living in adultery. I didn't say it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, so I'm not saved now. So according to the gospel of Eric, I'm not a Christian, I'm a false teacher, I'm an extortioner. What else, what else was I, JP? Can I forget? I'm not according to scripture. A whole list of sins. Okay, so then, so then, so when I see you, I should be like, hey, hey, hey. Should I be like that with you because you're not holding yourself control type, bro? I'm not. Do you know that?  You're judging by appearance. You're judging by appearance. I'm just based on facts. No, you're judging by appearance. You weren't born that way, were you? Which isn't righteous judgment. You were you born that way? By your standard judgment. Matthew Seven, by your standard judgment, you're gonna be judge, right? Actually, actually, all babies are born chubby. Really? Our most babies all have chubby babies. Really? It's called baby fat, it's called baby fat. So you got baby fat. So you baby fat. Oh, I'm just playing your team game. So you're heavy E. So you're heavy E. Now we're gonna play a game. So you're heavy E. So you're heavy E now. I didn't say that. I'm just asking.  You're running. I'm not running. No, I'm saying- Because you're shifting. I'm not shifting. I'm making an observation. I'm making an observation. What did Jesus say? What did he say? He said, judge not according to appearance, but judge writes his judgment. Okay, so I'm making a righteous judgment.  Oh, really? You're putting your hand on your stomach, bro. You got your hand on your stomach. So do you know my background? Your stomach is an arm rest. What you doing? So do you know my background at all? I don't have to know your background because you don't know my- You don't. Okay, okay, okay. You don't care about my background. I just gave you mine. Okay. So you're saying I'm not even a Christian now. What you saying? No, it's the word of God says this. Okay, so fine.  The word of God says that you're in adultery. That's what the word of God says. And the word of God says that you're in a gluttony. But your Bible, your Bible says, well, except for immorality. That's what the Bible says. Eric, here's the thing, bro. Does your Bible say that? Here's your Bible, Eric. Here's the thing, it says for fornication. It says for immorality. And it encompasses all. It encompasses all. But here's the thing, Eric, here's the thing because you don't have a case. So I'm asking you this question. So I'm gonna have Eric. And that's why you're deflecting. Eric, I'm not deflecting. Eric, Eric.  Eric, I'm not taking any personal jazz. I'm making observations. I'm making a public observation. Don't judge by appearance, but you're not right. Eric, Eric, I'm making a observation. I didn't call you skinny. That would be a lie. Because you're not skinny. You're very much not skinny. I know that. OK, so by your own testimony. I was at one point, yeah. But we're talking about today. I once was an adulterer at one point. So can I just try? But you're not today, though. Can I just magically lose 20 pounds overnight? We ain't talking about overnight. Have you put forth any effort to lose you? Yeah, have you put forth any effort to lose you gala on right now? Yeah, I have, actually. OK, come back to me in six months. Let's see. OK. Because right now, you're gluttoning. Oh, really? Can you prove that? Yeah. Look at you. No, you can't.  Eric, Eric, Eric. See, this is what you do. This is what the devils do. This is what devils do. Bro, you lack self-control, bro. You lack self-control. You lack self-control. You're mad because the scripture can make you lose it. I'm not mad about anything. Yes, you are. Eric, you're not mad at anything.  OK. Adulters will go past. No problem, Eric. Eric, no problem. No problem, Eric.  No problem, Eric. Eric, real quick.  No problem, Eric. No problem. No problem. Eric, we'll do your BMI right now. How tall are you and how much you weigh? We're going to find out if you overweight. That doesn't matter. We're going to find out if you're an adulterer. Here's the thing. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, let's get back to the subject of hand because I'll write proof that you've been an adulterer. What somebody weighs right at that moment doesn't mean they're in gluttony. That's a lie. Eric, Eric. Gluttony is somebody who overeats every day. Eric, you've been overeating. Eric, you've been overeating. You don't know that. You don't know that. The proof is in the jello pudding, bro. The proof is in the jello pudding. But let's get back to the topic of hand. Let's get back to the topic of hand. Let's get back to the topic of hand. So here's the thing. What? So now, Matthew 7-1 will slap you in the face because you are judging me and not even dealing with your own hypocrisy, OK? Oh, oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just an adultery. I'm not an adultery. I'm not making merchandise so the gospel like you are. Eric, Eric, Eric, calm down because the blood pressure may get up. Oh, I'll calm down. I'll calm down. But see, you're taking personal jab. I'm not making any personal jab. I'm making an observation. You just mad because I'm calling it out what it is. You're judging by appearance because you got called out for your sin. What's my sin, Eric? What's my sin?   And you're making merchandise off the gospel. That's not a sin. I would just say I established that. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. OK, well, everybody already knows that's not a sin. You're making merchandise off the gospel. Eric, Eric, Eric. You don't want to work because you don't want to work. I don't want to work. You don't. You don't. Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric, Eric. You think getting in front of a camera is working? Eric, I'm not going to help you. But here you are, Eric. But here you are. Welcome. Do you think getting it? And I'm not getting paid to do this. But I am. Yeah, I know. Because this is your job. It is. Thank you for admitting that. Thank you for admitting that. Thank you for admitting that. Thank you for admitting that. So now we'll see how well that flies with the word. But here's the thing. Here's the thing, Eric. We'll see how well that flies. Exegetically, Eric, you have no case, OK? And that's why I brought you on. So now, if you want to talk about the fourth point and then I'll let you go and have JP share his concerns as well regarding reform theology and stuff like that. So now, you said do you believe that the King James is without air? That's correct. No, pull on. The fourth point, my question was, what Bible do you use? I use several Bibles. I use several Bibles. But what's the main Bible you use? I have NAS. I have ESV. All right, pull up Matthew 99 and your NASV or whatever. Pull it up. Here we go. What you got? What's it saying?  The King James says, and I say to you, whoever puts shall put away his wife except it be for fornication and shall marry another commits adultery. So what's your point? So read yours again. All right. Whoever divorces his wife. Slower. Whoever. All right, OK, go ahead. Divorces? OK, come on. Not that slow. Whoever divorces his wife except for immorality and marries another woman commits adultery. King James says. Except for immorality. It didn't say except. Didn't say it. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, except for immorality. But yours also says except it be for fornication. What is fornication? What you were talking about in there in there in the Greek? Or are you just talking about in general? Well, yeah, what's fornication? Pornia. Fornication is sex outside of marriage, right? Pornia. Unmarried, unmarried, unmarried sex outside of marriage. Yes, exactly. Yes, unmarried, right? Unmarried. Yes, unmarried. That's right. Yes. So your version says though except for immorality. It says that. So what is immorality? Eric, do you see it on the screen? I don't. OK, it said literally fornication. I don't see it on the screen. It's on the screen. I got it on both. It has a little footnote right next to it. It says literally fornication. Literally fornication. Now, are you trying to go tiff a tat regarding translations?  No, no, no, I just wanted to know what you're trying to say. Well, I'm just asking. So are you saying that the King James is the only reliable Bible, English Bible that we have? It is the word of God in English, yes. Because we have to have a standard, right? Hold on, but so is the NAS, so is the ESV. OK, let me ask you a question. Sure. Are things that are different the same? Excuse me? Are things that are different the same? Concerning regarding what? Make your point regarding what? Well, I mean, you just showed me right there in the NASB. Your Bible says except for immorality. Right, and it has the footnote right next to it, fornication, literally fornication. Right, and it is not, hold on, but is not fornication immorality? Right, and so is thievery, robbery. But immorality, immorality, but the context determines the interpretation. Would you agree with that, at least? He's talking about marriage. Yes, and right. OK, so he says, here's my point, here's my point. OK, go ahead, sure. Is in nowadays time, people are going to pick the Bible translation that best suits their preconceived notion, their presupposition, right? Usually, that's what a lot of people do. So people can pick the NASB because it says, well, except for immorality.  Like that's what was going on back in the time of the Jews. They were divorcing for any old reason. They were divorcing for whatever reason they could figure. And we see that in today's time. People are divorcing for any old reason. OK, but what's your point, though, Eric, because I'm asking you. Well, my point is the King James Bible says except for fornication. So are you are you saying that the King James Bible is an error? Let me let me let me get to that. Let me get to that. So it's except for fornication, right? Except for fornication. So fornication is unmarried sex. So the context of what is being spoken there is in reference to, for instance, like with Matt with Mary and Joseph, right? Joseph thought to put Mary away because she was with child and they weren't married yet. So he and he they didn't do any. They didn't consummate any kind of marriages. So he knew there was no way it could be his child. So he he thought to put her away because he thought she fornicated against him, but she did not. That's why the angel came to him and said, hey, don't put her away. She's with child of the Holy Ghost. The point being is fornication there. That's why the King James Bible has fornication because it's in reference to that kind of scenario. That's why in that's why you see in Mark and Luke, you don't see any exception clause, but you only see the exception clause in Matthew because Matthew was written to Jews as we know. So in that particular context, that's what it's in reference to is the betrothal period having relations before the marriage is actually consummated. And that's what they thought took place. So that's why it says fornication. And it doesn't say adultery. It doesn't say sexual immorality. It says fornication. It says adultery in the B clause of verse nine. It says it in both translations. But here's my question. What's your point? What's my point? Well, my point is, is obviously there's things changed in modern versions to suit sin. Modern versions, modern versions, actually going back to what the point I brought up earlier. The point I brought up earlier, the point I brought up earlier about, are we all sinners? Well, the NLT and the NLT in Romans chapter eight, Paul actually refers to himself and believers. Did you say the NLT? Did you say the NLT? I did, yeah. That's a paraphrase. That's not a word for word translation. Why are you bringing that up? Oh, I'm bringing that up just to prove a point about it. Why, but you asked me what version do I read? And I gave you two word for word translations. NLT is a paraphrase version of the Bible. I understand that. It's good for people to get to the bare bones of it, but that's fine. But that's not a word for word translation. The reason I'm bringing it up again, as I was just saying, is because different versions change things to one, suit, sin, and essentially change doctrine. But my question I'm asking you is this, do you believe that the King James is inerrant? Yes, 100%. So define inerrant. Inerrant without error. Without error. And is that your final answer? Yes. All right. I'm glad you said that. Let's look at some scriptures in your own translations, because here's the problem that I have with the King James. The King James, God didn't write the King James.  But that's a translation, okay? And it is not the first translation of the King James. This is like the second one, give or take. We did about three translations, three revisions of the King James. Not translations, but revisions, right? Revisions. But it's still a translation, too, because it's not the same words. Why was the 1611? I'm glad you asked. I'm glad. Let's look at the 1611, then look at the modern version of the King James. And then you tell me, how was something inerrant without error, and then it has errors in it? But let's go to the text. Well, that has to make revisions? That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're talking revisions. Yes, let's look at the text. Let's go right here. Here we go. All right. Let's see. Let's see. Here we go. All right. Do you see that? Y'all see that? No. No, I see it. You see it now? Where are you showing this at? Are you showing it on the screen, dude? It's on the screen. It's on the screen. It's on the screen. I don't see it on the screen. Do you have another device? Do you have another device? I see it now, yeah. Okay. What version do you have? The version, what do you mean? What's King James version? Yeah, I have a 1611, and I have a... And I have a 16, or 1769. Nine, right? So those are two revisions, right? And translations of different words. So you said the word of God, you said King James is an errand, it doesn't have any error. So explain to me these versions, these two versions or two revisions, how you are going to use it, but the words are different. And if God is a God of perfection, and he's meticulous, and he's a stickler for perfection, and he is, then I have only one question to ask you. How do you explain your version now being changed to a modern version of the King James? Who told the translators to do this? Did God tell the King James translator that, hey, I'm bad, y'all. Let me give y'all the actual word of what it meant in the original manuscripts. I would have to look at what you're showing me here. Okay. Because I've never seen this particular, I don't know if you wanna call it a meme or whatever you wanna refer to it as, but I've never seen this. These are references from actual scriptures in the King James. And then I have another question to ask you as well after you answer this one. Okay. But go ahead and answer this question. Can you explain these different variations? If the word of God, if you believe the word of God in the King James is an errand without error, explain these errors, explain these revisions. Please. Well, see, here's the thing. First and foremost, you're showing me this, but I don't actually have a 1611 Bible in front of me. Oh, I got one, let me get mine. Okay. So you can show me this, but until I actually see it myself. I think it's pretty real, bro. I just Googled it myself. It looks legit. When you're doing that, I gotta go use the restroom right quick. So give me like, like three minutes. And while you're in the restroom, you make sure to Google that because it's legitimate. All right. So let me go ahead and, I'll go, yeah, go ahead, brother. Go ahead. All right. Let me go ahead and do this real quick. And let me go back. And I'll go ahead and do, let's see here. All right. So what I have in my hands, y'all, is the 1611 King James Bible. We can't, hold on. Oh, there we go. Yeah, yeah. What I have in my hands right now is the 1611 King James version. Okay. And actually it got dust on it. Sorry. But this is the 1611 King James Bible. As a matter of fact, my dad, when I was a kid, you can see my name right there, right there at the bottom. All right. This is, this is, this is the hitherto and per adventure and whether thou goest thee, thou thou, yeah, all of that. All right. So Genesis 39 verse 16, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it in real time. All right. J.P., you with me? I'm here, I see you. All right. But Genesis chapter 39 in verse 16, it says, and the word of God, it's still the word of God. I'm not knocking at verse 16. K.J.B. And she lay up his garment by her until his Lord came home. That's the, that's the, that's the, yeah, I have the modern one. So until his Lord came home, the 1611 says until her Lord, matter of fact, yeah, until her Lord came home. So my question will be, why the difference of the revisions? And then I have one more question to ask him because I'm, I wanna know, I wanna know if it's an errant, then why do we have these different, these different variations in these updates? I never known the word of God. If he, if the word of God is without error, I never knew that the word of God would be a 2.0. That man's in the back from Googling the answers. Let's look at another one. And I'm not knocking anyone who uses the King James or the new King James. I'm not knocking anybody for that. All I'm asking is, is that, can we chill with this translation supremacy? That's really what it is. We talk about white supremacy all the time. There's this thing now, I just made it up, translation supremacy. And most of my King James or KJVO brothers and sisters, they're guilty of this, translation supremacy. Numbers chapter six verse 14. And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord. One he lamb, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering. And one you lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering. And one Ram without blemish for a peace offering. But on the screen, it says, it says this. I had to switch screens and show you. You see the modern version? I put it back on the screen in case it comes back. But it is right there. Numbers chapter six verse 14, the 1611 says, one lamb without blemish. And the modern King James says, and one Ram without blemish. So a ram and a lamb. I ain't the sharpest pencil in the box, but. Yeah, I think the different animals. It is right. So one goes cram. And the other one goes eh, right? That's, okay, all right. So again, that's the, that's the, so yeah. This is the King James, I'm reading now the King James. And giant print, let's see. Yeah, so anyway, hopefully this is informative for many of us. Again, I'm not knocking anyone who has the King James at all. Matter of fact, I grew up. I mean, as you can see, I grew up with the King James. So I'm not knocking anybody who has that. What I will bristle and what I take umbrage with is anybody that tells me that this is without error when the Bible doesn't say that. The autographs are without error, but the translations are not. So I was just sharing with the audience, Eric, the different versions and wordings of both the 1611 and the modern version of the King James. So my next question is this, and we're already two hours in this. This has been kind of cool, but here's my next question. All right, I didn't unmute it. Okay, you good? Yeah. Okay, here's my question for you. If you believe that the King James is an errant, we just, I just proved to you that it's not because it has revisions and updates. Something that's an errant can't have revisions and updates if it's an errant. I mean, you don't need no updates and revisions. If it's an errant without error, right? Would you agree with that? Okay, you want to make a comment today before I ask the next question? Well, yeah, what I was going to say was number one, I want to review those points that you showed on there. Sure. You want me to send you the link? Yeah, email to me. Okay, bet, bet, bet. And number two, number two with that, I don't know what public, because I don't know if that's the case, but I'm just saying this based off what I've seen with different publishing companies. Different publishing companies of King James Bibles actually publish different things in it. But what you said, the King James Bible. Right, as long as you're using the right one, yeah. Okay, well, what do you mean by the right one? According to who? Well, there's literally counterfeit King James Bibles out there. Okay, so I'm not citing from a kind of fit version. This is footnoted. Well, I'm just giving you, you can go to, you can go here. I understand that. You say, how do you understand that? You don't understand that. No, no, no, I'm saying, I understand what you're saying. Okay, okay, okay. Right, I'm just saying, I don't know what version that's quoting from. So that's why I want to see it myself. Okay, all right, so here's my next question. Here's my next question to you. And again, I was gonna say, I appreciate us even having this spirited in real discussion. If you know, I know you don't send me a Christian and all that, that's fine. But here's my next question I wanna ask you. All right, so you believe that the King James isn't in there and you believe that it's without error and so forth. How did a person, how did a person get saved prior to the King James? In other words, there were other English translations.  You know, you had all of these different, these different versions. Yeah, you had all these different versions. Bishops Bible, right. Right, prior to, prior to King James. Now, you do know, spoiler alert, Roman Catholics pinned the King James. No. Erasmus with the Roman Catholic. Okay. He wouldn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't pin the King James. It was a Texas receptice. The way the King James to get there, get there, right? Okay, but the, the, the one, does that mean Erasmus? It was the Roman Catholic though. It was, it was, it was, it was Erasmus. Roman Catholic. Was he a, was he a defective Roman Catholic? He was a Roman Catholic. He was a Roman Catholic. He wasn't a Christian. He was a Roman Catholic. And do you know who, and do you know who pinned the modern translations from the West Cotton Horde? Mm-mm. Cause I, cause I don't, I don't have, I don't have this, you gotta, you gotta the camera shot. But I don't have, I don't have a superiority complex when it comes to translation. Cause I understand the translations are exactly what they are. They're translations. They're not, they're not in the errands. So my question is how does a person get saved, prior to, how does a person get saved prior to the King James? Well, number one, I never said a person can't get saved from a different version. I never said that. No, I'm asking, but you, cause if the King James, I never said that. I didn't say you did. I'm saying, I'm asking. You said the King James is in errand, right? Right. Are there any other English translations you believe that are in errand? Not modern ones, definitely not. Okay, so the King James is the only in errand modern translation. And that has proved to you that it's not. But, since I just go by your argument, if it is in errands, how do people get saved prior to the in errand version, according to your logic, of the King James? How does a person get saved? How did they get saved since the death burial and resurrection? Well, the word of God. That's what I read, but you don't believe, but you don't believe the, you don't believe the translations outside of the King James are in there? No, modern versions are definitely not the word of God in the sense that, in the sense, let me finish. Let me, in the sense that, in the sense that everything in this world has a standard, right? So, let me just kind of lay this out.  There's literally a person whose job it is to come through and check and make sure each of those pumps is giving a gallon of gas when a person is pumping a gallon of gas. If not, that person could lose, that gas station could lose their ability to sell gas. Basically, it's about equal scales and balances like the scripture says. So, there's a standard, there's, what's the word I'm looking for? There's basically, for anything and everything in life, essentially, there's a standard, right? So, why is it the only thing we don't have, at least according to most Christians, the only thing we don't have a standard for is the word of God? The word of God seems to be subjective anymore, and not objective. You can make it say whatever you want. All you gotta do is slap a new translation on it, adjust 10% of the Bible, and now you can make your own copyright of it. There's no standard anymore. Why in English do we need 200, 300 modern translations? You don't see that in other language. The only other language you see several translations of like that is Chinese. All other languages, they don't have hundreds of translations, but in English, oh, in English though, we got 200, 300 different translations. So, where is the standard? There has to be a standard that we all hold to as believers. And we can easily prove that different Bibles say different things, even different King James Bibles, because there are counterfeit King James Bibles. For instance, many modern versions, well, them too, but many King James Bibles that are not, depending on what publishing company it is. So, for instance, a Zondervan King James Bible. You go to Genesis one in one, and it says in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Well, I'm pretty sure it's what it says. Let me, don't quote me on that one. I want to, I meant to skip down to verse two. I'm pretty sure though it says heavens in the Zondervan, but when you skip down to verse two, it says, and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Now, in my King James Bible, spirit is capitalized. And like for instance, the Zondervan published King James Bible, spirit is lowercase. That's one of many different changes that are made throughout a different publishing company. So, going back to what you said earlier, I have to look at what you're gonna email me because I don't know the publishing company if that has been changed in all King James Bibles. But you do understand that there are no chapter breaks in the Hebrew or in the Greek. I get that, I get that. And there are no capitals, letters. What do you mean? Like capital letters, it wasn't a capital S, you know anything like that. So I'm asking how. But you understand why it is a capital letter. No, no, no, no, because again, you're trying to show the supremacy of a translation. And you can't do that. So you don't think that we have one Bible in English that we can rely on, that we have to use all these different words. I believe what the Bible says and all that getting, get understanding. And then so far as the understanding it does not violate authorial intent of the original writers, okay? Then I have no problem with that. The problem I have is again, when people try to impose or people try to enforce or manipulate or guilt trip individuals into believing unless you have the version, that's nothing more than modern day Judaism. Unless you're circumcised, well, it kind of is because you're telling people if they don't have the King James then they don't have the Word of God. That's what you're saying. Well, let me, let me, let me, let me. And I just showed you that there are errors in the King James. They're not, you're kidding me. I don't know what publishing company that's for. Whether you don't know what a publishing company it is or not, the King James is not in an errant text. That's, again, again, you're not showing me what you're saying. So I just gave, I just gave you an example out of your own translation, the 1611 in the modern translation.  Wow, wow. He didn't speak the Kings in English either. So you get this per adventure and it's the, and it's here the two and the Vow stuff. Where you get that from? What, do you understand why the V's and Vows? No, I don't. No, I don't. You don't. Because it's not, because that doesn't matter when it comes to. It doesn't matter. Yes, it does matter. You know why? Because it's specifically who it's talking about. I know who the author is talking about, but what I'm saying, they did not speak in that language. That doesn't matter. It, hold on. They weren't speaking in that language in 1611. Say again. They weren't speaking in that, they weren't speaking in that language. That, the using the V's and the Vows, the reason it was there was because it was being specific in who it was talking about. This is a common, this is a common attack that people take on the King James. I'm not attacking the King James. I'm just saying that the King James is not, it's not inerrant. That's all I'm saying. And my point is, is this, do you, you do understand there were, there were other translations. I do. Other translations before the King James. I, I, I completely, I don't know that. So what makes the King James superior? It is the completion. Why after the King James and that line of manuscripts, why do we not have anymore? And don't say the new King James. Who told you that? Who told you that? We don't. Who told you that? That stopped at the King James Bible. Who told you that? In that line of manuscripts. What line, what line are you talking about? What, what line? The line that it comes from, the line from Antioch Syria. If it stopped there, then expect, then explain this to me. Why are y'all having, why'd you have revisions? After 1611. Keep your argument. If it stopped there, why explain the revisions then, Eric? Phone a friend, do whatever you have to do.  Because you're not, you're making, you're making translations to be superior when the word of God does not do that. The word of God is perfect. Not the King James. I didn't say, it is the word of God though. You know, you said the word, no, you said the King James is that, you said the King James was an errant, brother. That means it's perfect. The word of God. I believe the ESV, I believe the King James, I believe the new King James, I believe the NAS, I believe the NASB, I believe the net, I believe the home and standard Christian Bible, I believe the legacy study Bible, which is out. I believe it as long as it aligns with the original manuscripts that we do have. That's it, we don't have the autographs anymore, but that's it. But translations, Eric, are not, they are not inerrant. They are not perfect. I'm sorry, they're not. I just gave you examples of your own. I don't think it's perfect. No, I know it's not perfect. No, no, I already told you, I have to review that because I don't know what. Review it and get back to me then. Review it and get back to me. Review it and get back to me. But that's my whole point. But is that not a valid point? What's a valid point? About the publishing companies. I don't know. Well, I do know this about the publishing companies. They make money off of what they're doing. Otherwise it would be a publishing company. So then you need to go back to your King James publishing companies and get on them for being extortioners and being false teachers because they're making profits. Yeah, it's their socialism because if everything's gonna be free, then that's spiritual socialism. You can get the King James Bible for free. I'm sorry? I'm not saying you can, but I'm saying it takes money to kill them, to chop them trees down. It takes money to produce that information. It takes money to do that. Otherwise, what would it cost them a publishing company? And I never said there's anything wrong with it. Okay, but no, no, you did. Because you said you shouldn't be making money off of it. No, no, hold up, hold up. I never said there was anything wrong with people giving. I didn't say giving. I didn't say giving. I'm talking about people who make it an obligation. Hey, the King James Bible that you have comes from a publishing company that makes money producing these Bibles. These people are not doing it for free, Eric. I'm sorry, they're not. They got miles to feed. They got rent to pay. They got cars to put gas in. They got kids that can put to college in school. Okay, I know. I know you believe that King James only translators, they do this stuff and the word of God is their food. That's fine. That's fine. You go and believe that. But I know better. They need money to make it in this world. And the Bible says, clearly that's the money answer all things in this temporal life. So it takes money to do ministry, Eric. If you don't want to earn any monetization from your content, bro, praise God. Listen to the wrong with that. Listen, I applaud you. I would not let anybody come at you and say that you are wrong for not monetizing your channel any more than you should have anybody come at me or someone else because they do. Unless, unless you saying it makes you more golly when you don't, then I'm gonna come at you for being a Pharisee or if somebody saying, hold on. Let me finish, let me finish, let me finish. Or if somebody says I'm monetizing my channel, I'm trying to get the bag, then I'm gonna come at them for being a grifter. See, there has to be balance, bro. And you're not providing balance. You're saying it is either this or this. And I'm saying, no, the Bible tells us that we're free in Christ. And this is an issue of preference. This is not an issue of a violation of the scripture unless you can prove that. So no, I'm not gonna come at Alan Parr. Yes, I got issues against Alan. I got issues with Rouge Line. But me judging them because they are monetizing their content and you got nothing to do with me monetizing mine because I don't know the motivation and neither do you. So you made a maybe kind of a somewhat of an accusation there about being a Pharisee, right? I said, if I give the qualifier. I said, if you are, am I Jewish? Am I Jewish? No. Okay, so I can't be a Pharisee, number one. I'm talking about the attitude to care at the risk of a Pharisee. See, this is what's funny is I notice this with most Christians, they like to throw that accusation out at people in general and other Christians who disagree with them. They do this all the time. Did you not hear me say this? It's actually demonic. It's a demonic spirit that leads people to accuse other born again believers of being a Pharisee because it was the Pharisees essentially who had Jesus murdered. Did you hear me say if? Did you hear me say if, Eric? Yeah, I get that. No, no, no, no. So why are you continuing on with the statement that I said? But I see what you're doing though. What am I doing? That's the same thing that, that's the same thing that the what do you call it? The demon slayer followers. That's the same thing they do. If you expose the demon slayers, all their followers call you a Pharisee. Eric.  Eric, brother, I just said to you and I thought I was pretty perspicuous when I said it because I was here when I said it. I said if you made a decision not to monetize your channel because you believe, I said if, if you believe not monetizing your channel makes you more godly, I said then you are being a Pharisee because the Pharisees, the character, one of the characteristics of the Pharisees they thought since they knew the law, since they knew the word of God that made them closer to God and it didn't. And then I said, and then I said in the same context, I said if a person were monetizing their channel, let me just put myself, okay? If I'm monetizing my channel for the purpose of just getting the bag, then yes, you can call me a grifter. You can say that I'm extorting people. You can say that I'm trying to make merchandise.  That'll be an accurate charge if I'm saying that or if I gave clear evidence that, hey, if y'all don't do this, like one of the things that Kevin Samuels used to do that I hated, but he was an unbeliever. Kevin Samuels, he was a guy that was a content creator. He died a year or so ago, but he would not continue on with his program until he got certain likes up, okay? So for me, I'll have a problem with that because whether I get as many likes or not, I'm gonna still produce the content that God has called me to produce. You see what I'm saying? But that's him. He had no spiritual governor on him. For me, you're telling me that I'm extortionate. I'm a false teacher. You cited second Thessalonians three. You cited James. You cited John two.  Nothing. Now, if you wanna talk about other people that were doing that, if you, if you had proof, then get at them. But you can't get at me about something that I'm not guilty of doing. What I do, I do for the kingdom of God. I do for the people of God, but ultimately for God's glory. Do I get it right? Absolutely not. But what- I'm not saying you, but isn't that what all the grifters would say? Okay, see, but see again, I'm telling you what Seiko Kenyatta Woods does on the BCV channel.  As lo