Are we ready to go? Good? Okay. Okay. Great. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the CTO Perspective Service Function Chaining. We have a great panel for you today and what we're going to do, I'm the moderator. I'm Wendy Carti and what we're going to do today is we're going to start by having the panelists introduce themselves and we'll do a little bit of Q&A here for about 20, 25 minutes and then we're going to open up the last 10 minutes to the floor for Q&A. Unfortunately, we do not have mics on the floor so I'm going to have to run around a little bit especially if you're on the back. So please be patient in that process and we'll make sure that all of your questions will get asked. So with that, we're going to go ahead and get started and we are going to have the panelists introduce themselves. So, Pare, would you like to go first? Sure. Hi, everyone. Clues, CTO and co-founder at Plumgrid. At Plumgrid, what we do is we focus on creating SDN solutions for private and public clouds especially now with the movement of NFV focusing on service instruction and some of the topics we'll cover. Before that, there was a distinguished engineer at Cisco and in there, it was architecting some of the network functions especially the ones related to security, high performance firewalls, intrusion prevention and it came up on the topics that now we are going to debate a lot very close in terms of how those network functions have to integrate and I guess we are going to discuss today on the topics that we didn't solve back then and now some people are solving them in the community and how this is shaping the industry of the network function virtualization. Thank you. I'm Joel Halpern, distinguished engineer with Ericsson. I've been building routers and routing systems for a very, very long time. More recently I've gotten involved in SDN in its various aspects. I'm a very active member of the IETF service function chaining working group where we're trying to define an interoperable data plane solution, interoperability being the keyword in almost any IETF work. I also do policy work and other related things which all are part of making these solutions actually work for us. I'm with Intel CTO for the data center network solution group, it's a little bit of a mouthful but what we do is we work on the whole stack for SDN and NFV from the manual areas, open stack, open daylight where I actually am on the board and the TSC. Also co-editor for the network service header draft in the IETF, the same work group that Joel is a part of so we are involved with service chaining implementation from standards on one hand and code that runs either on an SDN controller or on servers. So hopefully you guys are going to enjoy the panel today. Great, thanks. So we're going to start with just maybe providing a rough definition of what SFC is and I think most of us understand it as a way of doing service stitching for VNFs that you can then create and deploy on demand. You create the service graph that is used for various VNFs. Is that the right way to think about SFC or should there be other ways to look at it? So the way I tend to look at it is it is particularly focused on service function chaining is about applying network functions, capabilities in the network to data traffic that is addressed to other endpoints. So for a traditional NFV deployment the packets are addressed to the function with their packets from the user or packets from one function to another. In the SFC case we're still talking about mostly virtual functions. Obviously we allow legacy functions and we allow physical functions but we're mostly talking virtual functions but the packets we're handling are those from the user that are intended for some other endpoint in the network but we want to apply services to them in the middle of the network. That's why the phrase service insertion is often used. The point of service function chaining is to direct the traffic to the correct places. Having tried to build solutions that inserted traffic control in previous incarnations it was a nightmare. People do it. Lots of people have service function chaining solutions right now and they have all sorts of difficulties. So maybe we can use the slide because I think we may go back and forth to that slide just to help those who have not seen it before understand what it is doing, the way Joel described that and then how it relates to OpenStack and some of the challenges and all of the many opportunities that we all have with this kind of a technology. So simply by ways of introduction of this slide as you could see here we have some clients or some consumers or some entities that could be your cell phone that is trying to actually reach out to some server that provides whatever service could be simply you are trying to serve the net for something. From the operator point of view before we allow you to do that we need to do many things. We need to make sure you have been authenticated, you bought that service, you are not posing a threat to the network and so on and so forth. So when your traffic comes in I want to potentially send the traffic to all of those little stations that are going to do different things for their traffic. I could do something very simple, I could say oh that person has node 7 before there is a problem with that device maybe I could do some video but I need to actually make the best adjustment for that characteristic of the device in terms of the video quality, the drivers on it and so on and so forth. So the red traffic may go and do some type of series of checkpoints or processing while the blue one may have a different one depends on the service you are doing. Before we had that and that actually slide Joel is with Ericsson as he pointed out and the first place I have seen that slide was from Ericsson that idea that the red as an example goes through all the stations but the blue doesn't is right there a big saving because I don't, before I know the traffic I'm going to send each traffic to all the stations meaning I have to set up my infrastructure for peak on all the different things I'm doing with this I'm actually setting the infrastructure sized the right way for whatever pieces of traffic each of those need to see. There are many other challenges and opportunities here we'll talk as the panel progresses I don't want to talk for too long of a time right now so bear it. I will just say a little bit what Joel was saying is that network service function chaining it's a concept right is the ability to create services beyond the traditional forwarding capabilities of networking and what happens is that in the industry what we try to do is to add new capabilities like security, scalability of applications and things like that and if we add them from a policy point of view since there is a business case to be made about that what happens is that implementations go ahead of standards and this is where definition starts to diverge there's a proper way properly sanctioned by ITF and standard bodies that are going to define how to do things but then there are the realities in the ground it's like when applications get deployed when network functions get deployed people want to stitch them and what you have is a community of vendors providing network functions that some of them may support the proper metadata some of them not some of them may have legacy ways of thinking and it's an interesting aspect on how the community from a standardization point of view evolves and the deployments and the prototypes and the early production environments happen because both things kind of fit on each other as we learn more from real deployments and from standardization so now service function changing I think is kind of widely accepted as one of the fundamental elements that has to fuel this new evolution of networking in service providers from the ability to create new service model marketplaces and things like that and I can enjoy all that both things are important and sometimes it is more complex than the proper way of doing it and now we have to figure out how to take that as fast as possible so that's a brings a good point so if you were an open stack operator and you want to do service function changing are there considerations and how one should look at how to stitch these functions together are there you know at these topology base how do you decide how to define that flow through your virtual topology so the way I tend to think about it I think this is helpful for most people you first define the services you want to deliver what functions you want applied to packets and so one of the first things that open stack becomes responsible for is to make sure those service functions are available in the network so if you need more of them make sure they're available if you if for other policy reasons you want them in different locations open stack has the mechanisms for deploying that so open stack drives that and then mechanisms like service function chaining from the IETF and the NSH header allow us to flexibly forward the packets to the places we have put them arranging things so that we have an efficient placement so that the open stack techniques know where to place the functions so that we can efficiently deliver the packets that is a complexity that we are beginning to address but the standards aren't even talking about yet but what NSH gives us is a mechanism to specify the sequence of delivery independent of the underlying data center or even inter data center topology so we're not bound by the physical topology much the way when you use neutron to create an overlay network you're independent of the underlay network but in this case you're creating not just connectivity but a forwarding sequence using NSH and you drive that from a classifier which puts the NSH header on the packet and it lets us put in metadata one of the problems people talk about is but all these service functions are too closely coupled well first off do some design work so you can cut them and then use metadata to enable you to carry information along there so maybe you could elaborate on NSH a little bit more what is that work service header no such header you mean so before before I go to NSH I and this diagram is going to serve us in order to really follow some of the work we are doing with NSH I want to first point out few additional aspects that are related to open stack and the way it deals with this so first of all I'll start with the notion that this is potentially exactly was that example of your cell phone trying to connect to some internet service this is an end-to-end architecture you could actually deploy it not that anybody is doing it today and Joel mentioned people are doing it in proprietary ways right now but you could actually deploy it beyond the boundaries of a given open stack deployment so while open stack would many cases be geographically limited this is not so you need to think about it first of all from orchestration point of view as I need something top down that is able to understand where I want to deploy what pieces of my service now let's confine our views just to that open stack instance within which I would like to deploy potentially the whole service potentially a section of that service I have multiple service functions here you see service function one and two on the slide I first of all need to understand what amount of traffic what amount of processing I'm gonna have there it may mean that I need to have a way to sometime and Joel was talking about placement and we do not necessarily have easy answer to that right now within open stack my ability to say I'm going to place these two next to each other we have zones and things like that but it doesn't really make it easy for me to express what are going to be my h.a. requirements what's gonna be my scale up or scale down requirements and do I really want these two service function to be on the same platform in the same rack so how does the logical architecture relate to the physical architecture more over if you look at neutron and you're doing some sort of a logical network overlay or whatever you want and and NSH and we'll get into NSH next is kind of an overlay approach so how do I actually make sure that I even have the bandwidth and what happens when the traffic really gets much higher and now I have to traverse multiple nodes and I don't have a way to control that so so the normal way we deploy is like we are okay we are always over providing over provisioning of the bandwidth is the way we actually do this so I don't need to worry about that if you really have data plane intensive activity you better be aware of that so there are some challenges here some of them come from the telco world some of them so I have a larger scope some of them come from the fact that open stack is individual VM slash container where is not really providing a good holistic placement or control or management solution for a group of VMs or containers and then I simply don't want to take too much time I'm happy to continue to NSH but yes maybe before we go into the NSH I mean sometimes service function chaining it becomes an overload term in the sense that is is a mechanism a mechanism to basically wire things together based on some sort of policy that is going to classify traffic and send it how to carry metadata in a way that you can compound the capabilities of multiple of them now the question is what's the use case why are we doing that and a lot of times people associate NFB with service function chaining us as one and the same as the ability to solve all the network function virtualization problems of the world but you have to always think that this is a mechanism is a way to as Joel was explaining before redirect the traffic based on certain requirements policies use cases that in a way that you are going to enhance the value that you wanted to offer in that service if you focus on that then those clouds that have nothing to do with networking network function NFB that could be let's say an IT cloud an IT cloud where I have my containers and VM workloads running an Apache web server doing some sort of shopping basket and now suddenly I want to secure it and I want to secure it in a way that I don't want to alter the topology of that application so then I could express a policy that redirects the traffic into a firewall and if the travel firewall may be transparent you send the traffic back and now suddenly you secure your application so somehow the mechanisms that SFC provides they can be used for many things and this is where the placement aspect becomes relevant because if you think in this case the picture that you have in the whiteboard clients and servers are on the sites and then your cloud is running only network functions this could be an NFB use case using SFC as a mechanism to solve the problem and now you'd schedule the days with traffic basically the traverse of all these functions is proper you go to another completely different use case which is I want to secure my VMs running in open stack now the placement of those network functions may be fully distributed in the computer themselves or they may be centralized into an array of things so the the mechanism that we are discussing when you see pictures like that they feel fairly straightforward you stitch function A with function B with function C based on short short of redirection you carry metadata but then you have to tie the placement and the optimization and the scale out of those network functions to the specific use case that you are driving and this is not necessarily only for the NFB community for service providers it's the ability to enhance your capabilities to your applications regardless of what's the use case that you have in a cloud and open stack is one of the main drivers for those obviously interoperability is extremely important between different VNS from different vendors as well as SFC and how perhaps vendors might implement NSH I hear open stack IETF all being mentioned and I know there is Etsy, OP, NFV, open daylight there are many groups manual on the orchestration side e-comp right there's a lot of different initiatives it seems like between open source initiatives and standards activities and maybe you can shed some light in terms of you know it's an open stack operator how should you be looking at all these different initiatives and how do you track all the development and all the definition perhaps that's going on between all the different groups you just want us to spend a minute on NSH intro before we get into a topic that we cannot get out you mean? So this slide is gonna be your quick guide to NSH there's much more to see about that but you could see few of the key architectural components that we have over there as an example we have two classifiers here when the traffic enters into the NSH domain the first action you take is to classify it which really means having the ability to decide what subset of my traffic should be subject to what policy that I have may have set aside which is going to determine what services I want in what order and then I would subject that subset of my traffic to a given service path that here is exemplified by these colorful snakes that are connecting the different service functions but the key element in the architecture that is dealing with the forwarding decision is the service function for the that is an element that understands that apology NSH is transport independent which really means I could stitch together different pieces of the network where I have this service here and that service on a completely different transport it is kind of think of it as a service type of an overlay so I create myself a little service domain and that domain that really sits in this particular diagram between the first classifier the outbound of that first classifier to the outbound of the second classifier which is optional is really my domain and within that domain everything is being forwarded by those SFF and I could have native service functions that are aware of of the NSH NSH has a specific header format the header really carries the information of the path that you need to traverse but that is only understood by the SFF a service function is like the model is go create your service function create your differentiation and the NSH architecture is going to make sure that the right traffic is plugged into it you don't need to worry about that as a service function provider but in the transition as we go into this type of standard based service functions I may have some service functions that are not aware of that header yet and for that piece we have created the notion of the service function proxy that really sits in between and would absorb those packets that have the headers strip them off provide a native packet if you want to that service function and on the way back would encapsulate again the header so just a two minute intro to the way the architecture works and anything you want to add so I believe you touched on it but I want to make clear the net effect is that NSH creates an overlay structure we use the transport mechanisms that exist in the data center whether they are neutron transports or even lower layer transports to provide connectivity between the SFF so the NSH header represents the forwarding within the overlay that represents the service chain that we're sending the packet along the service function path to be more precise and has an index even to represent the position on that path and one of the nice things that does is if you have either a mixture of data centers or a data center that is itself using a mixture of transport technologies you can still run NSH over the whole thing and run the different transports as you've chosen so it works with your data center infrastructure your networking but creates an overlay that delivers service function paths and maybe one more point that is on the slide but we forgot to mention is the notion of the metadata and the metadata as you could see in this example we have DPI as the second function obviously it's just some sort of an arbitrary position but the key idea of the metadata is that you may have already accumulated some understanding that has to do with a particular flow set of flows a particular packet whatever is the right granularity for your case and instead and that's another saving that that architecture provides instead of having to recreate that in each and every station because I don't know what is the policy associated with it or I need to actually send it out of band so while I show you a nice data plane story there is a complicated control plane because I need to time it in the right way or a new flow just started and I need to make sure the policy shows up exactly the same time so the service function would know what to do should I drop this type of packet should I note all of those kind of things you could embed in the metadata few of those things and we have few structures it's not the time and place to go into the details but just to give you an idea and so when we talk about the way OpenStack supports these kind of things we are kind of raising here issues of placement of SLAs of QoS of the ability to actually define the policies externally and inject them into the data plane the ability to create metadata and how this is supported and as a community we have I think some future progress we could all do in order to support all of those and so if we take that and we talk about the question that Wendy asked which is how do all these open source and standards components relate we've been talking about the data plane standard we're going to define somewhere control requirements but then if we're going to get interoperability if we're going to be able to use either OpenStack directly or ODL or ONOS to control these we're going to need interoperable control interfaces and control abstractions in fact arguably more than the control protocols it's the control abstractions we need to get so that the different mechanisms can all be manipulating the same behaviors in a consistent fashion and there's a lot of work to be done on that and it's collaborative work between the open source activities which are moving these control activities forward and the standardization activities which provide a way to actually define abstractions that are useful for more than one open source and so it's that feedback between the two sides it's going to lead to stronger solutions that can get all the way from the policy definitions and the orchestration control down to the data plane behavior you need and taking a more practical approach and echoing what Jolie saying is it's good to start thinking these abstractions and how to map them to the multiple ecosystems from an open source point of view and how do we start converging them being a small company what happens is that now you start talking to customers to different projects and everybody has a different flavor of those orchestration environments and they all have their slightly different models and integration requirements so if we have to move this community forward we have to start creating a value out of these technologies and these mechanisms we have to make sure that we don't start sprawling in terms of control structures and model integrations otherwise we cannot follow there's too many of them we have to test too many combinations or too many requirements that come so we have to figure out how from an open stack point of view which kind of is the centerpiece that is being used not only from infrastructure service but going into all pnfb and into all the nfb environments as kind of a standard environment for the virtual infrastructure manager how now when we start growing up the stack and we are starting to find the frameworks that are going to manage those network functions and orchestrate them how we don't overlap between projects and especially because now we have here the big 10 with lots of projects one of them is aiming at service function training and service instruction but at the same time there's a lot of service providers working on frameworks that are going to define that too so basically the aspect that we have to bring is how do we bring the definitions from the standard and the models and the abstractions from an API that we are going to create and now maybe we are a little bit more loose in terms of what's the right piece of code to implement a specific model a specific API because otherwise we are going to get caught into too many of those and we will not be able to manage the complexity that arises from that so I'll give you a somewhat different take different cross-section of the way the industry looks right now starting from silicon because we make a little bit of silicon here and there there is support in in network cards there is support in switches that you could find in the industry for the frame format of of NSH it also takes a slight variation of the popular VXLan something called VXLan GPE because VXLan didn't have a next protocol field to it so we had to change that so I do have basic support in multiple companies actually silicon when you start looking at these switches life starts becoming a little bit more interesting there is a work in progress in OVS this is work in progress for long long long time and maybe one day we'll get there there is full support today with FDIO actually we have few talks on FDIO here in in this event including one tomorrow if you're interested to learn more about that supports SFC with the NSH format going to SDN controllers there is support in open daylight fully compliant with the IETF going to OpenStack in OpenStack we have few different initiatives right now and as Joel pointed out what we really need to enable let many flowers bloom we need the right obstruction in place we have all sorts of bypass and the main path is partially supportive while I think the high-level good news is that there is an industry momentum towards convergence and it looks like eventually everybody would agree that NSH is the way to go today with neutron I cannot really directly control and manipulate an SDN controller like open daylight that has that capability we do have Techier as a big tent project that works around that and and kind of behind the scene connect the dots so that we could do this but your perspective everybody here may have different perspective whether this is the desired outcome a good approach or a patch what is really I think the question in front of us is what is the right standard main way to do these kind of things and then going to the next level up if you think of the service as something that starts with some sort of a management and orchestration which is a man or from telco Etsy point of view then maybe it all has to start at the top where I actually have a global picture of my topology I have understanding of the consumer and all the entitlement or lack thereof that that consumer has and how all of that applies and some pieces of my solution may be proper pure SDN some may be open stack and I need to stitch that together so that's a snapshot okay so we only have about maybe at most five minutes left any questions from the audience please raise your hand and I'll walk the mic over anything if you could change those questions in the service way service function chaining for questions okay okay because no one ask any questions so I'll ask one there is a Geneva protocol which sounds to me like it could fit both the overlay tunneling and the service here is what about that so there is a proposal that I have seen in an internet draft to put all of the NSH information into Geneva TLV is but speaking personally I much prefer to carry the NSH header as payload in Geneva so Geneva is a valid transport but if I want NSH interoperability it's much cleaner if I keep the NSH header intact across each transport yes there are ways to encode service chains into MPLS label stacks there are ways to encode service chains into Geneva there are ways to compose service chains into V&Is but if we use the NSH we can get interoperability without trying to get M squared mapping at all the boundaries so while you could embed it in something else and there's guys who want to embed it in Ethernet source MAC addresses and lots and lots of answers in fact that's the problem there are way too many answers and instead of trying to say well this is the definitive transport well you build your network one way he builds his network a different way I prefer to use NSH as the commonality and use the transport mechanisms that the network wants to use. Just one short comment while I fully agree with Joel here you need to this I'm putting an ITF head on you need to distinguish because open source we could do you need to distinguish between service function chaining and the different transport mechanisms that are available there's only one proposal in the service function chaining workbook today and that's NSH. There are multiple transport options Geneva is one of them that actually there is a design team that is in formation right now as part of the NVO3 workgroup to resolve that issue regardless as Joel pointed out this is a proposed mechanism would be good for all of us not to argue on on bits and pieces but to agree with something we are all gonna move faster and then maybe let me take a different approach to the answer here there's always the notion of headers has to have to be standardized because multiple devices have to interoperate at the same time we are working towards a new generation of type of data plans that they are programmable. The programmability may be driven because hardware is becoming more flexible or the programmability may be driven because networking is happening more and more into the edge of the network in the compute nodes where you have more tools in terms of software data planes programmable data planes and so on so from a practical point of view we are we are a small company we are a plant grid of course we are not a plug as influential into standard bodies as we would like so somehow we have to be kind of followers and always react towards what the industry defines so we took an approach saying well headers are like very very very strong positioning when you start thinking that you have to burn it into an ASIC but if you have the luxury to have a programmable data plane now the question is how do you react fast to the standardization efforts in a way that you can track them almost like the draft is done and you have a data plane that matches that implementation and doing a mistake is not a big deal because you can change it so in this way it allows for a much more interactive thing for example Joe was saying what if we use NSH values translated to TLVs engine if or we put it into a payload you say well why don't we try both and why don't we see which one carries more things than that so we had to take this approach more from a survival point of view but at the end of the day what happens is regardless the way you achieve a consensus on what's the way to go by the option or by a standardization standardization has to happen and now the thing is like how careful you are defining those headers versus like try and fail fast and that will be based on the implementations that you have available okay do we have time to do one more question I think so yeah hi just a question on them obviously with service trading we're introducing a lot more east to west traffic so from your point of view what solutions are you looking at from a security perspective now we've got this lateral movement are you introducing like micro segmentation I mean how are you dealing with that aspect because that's the issue that I see with all these different points so if you're gonna introduce things like Palo Alto or some you know inspection traffic what do you how are you dealing with that maybe let me start on the use case going back to what I was saying before is when you say how do we deal with security east west traffic means that you have a use case in mind let's say that you have different tenants running different web applications on your cloud and now you want a micro segmentation solution that when you do service chaining using the mechanism of chaining functions you are going to carry the information of the identity of the compute workloads that you have into the network functions that you have and this is what where the metadata comes handy because once you decided that you're going to standardize your service function chaining with a specific mechanism now is the orchestration aspect on how your container or your VM running a website is stuck in a way that when the overlay is going to inject the metadata it carries the metadata in a way that Palo Alto can consume it for example and now standards are important because if one network function vendor consumes dot one qtax versus another one and such headers now the plumbing infrastructure the SDN layer or the physical network layer that has to do the plumbing becomes much more complicated so today this is the reality where we are different network function vendors are providing different mechanisms for integration and the micro segmentation companies like what Plumgrid offers into data centers have to deal with the complexities of the wall so we have to figure out how to accelerate as fast as possible towards a standard like NSH and a proper integration model in a way that the network function vendors can integrate can develop one standard and the integration models become cleaner and then you can attach it to micro segmentation you can attach it to interfaces to whatever you want because this is how you hook the mechanism to identity of the workloads that you have in your cloud so let me just add to that one of the things about the standard as opposed to a solution that somebody might sell is we have to recognize the range of needs if a traditional IP service provider is doing this to add services in their data flow then they are operating within a trusted network they're not worried about securing the traffic against adjustment by the elements of their own network not everybody has the set that security assumption other people have different assumptions so there is a draft for example that's chose how you can add an authentication information to the NSH header to authenticate the header and the content if you want to protect it from modification but the default case you don't use that you use because there's a cost to authenticating and reauthenticating and adjusting the signature when information metadata changes and all of the other things you need to do similarly you could split your service functions and have one for each subscriber and if a subscriber is a major tenant maybe that's the right granularity other times you will want multi-threaded service functions and you trust them enough for them not to be adjusting the metadata that identifies the tenant because you as an operator work with them and make sure that they're trustworthy and so there's different environments and different solutions and different degrees of security and when you're shipping things between two data centers maybe you want to protect it with IP sec even if you're not protecting it inside your data center and that again because that's a transport becomes a solution you can apply in conjunction with NSH okay great I think that's all the time we have Uri, Joel, Peret, thank you very much for being part of the panel I also want to let the audience know if you'd like to learn more about the topics this is an excellent book it just came out called network function virtualization a lot of the topics are covered here we have two copies of the PlumGrid booth so feel free to come by and for additional information on NSH you can also just Google IETF, NSH and the draft IETF will pop up and you should be able to get the entire draft in terms of how that works so thank you very much and have a great conference thank you thank you thank you guys thank you


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And yeah they really did a great thing. So that's pretty good. East down a little bit. Bitcoin's up a little bit. XRP's still I mean 81% for the week. Watch out. It's pretty good. Heather nobody cares. Cardano is up a little bit. Polkadot Uniswap wow Uniswap 21% it's pretty good. Usually because that version 3 is coming out or is out. So yeah a lot of great things that are happening. But just look at Binance Coin and when you're sitting at home looking at what to invest in take a look at what is actually has a utility right now. Now what it says is going to do but what it's doing right now Binance Coin is really doing those things. Bitcoin is a store of value. I think we can all agree there. Ethereum you can build a lot of things on Ethereum and of course it's great for the swap not great for the price but hopefully they figure that out and Binance Coin and that's why you got 1, 2, and 3. So that's how I see it. And yeah let's jump into today's top story. But real quick let me do the projected range real quick and see if you're a trader out there look at trade the chain because the next hour this is with 90% assurance. You got a 5 it's going to go at 5%. What is this? Rary governance I don't know what that is. Haven protocol stacks red coin Binance Coin bean trust swap like sushi all these things that I really don't deal with. So if you're a trader check out trade the chain link in the description 14 days try all that good stuff. All right so let's jump into today's top story. So the kind Coinbase IPO everybody's talking about it's going to be great. They think that on that day everything will blow up slow down it doesn't usually work like that. Just because you have an IPO people who are in this IPO or you know who got early access sure they're going to make an old load of money and the people once it gets listed and they can they can buy it yeah I mean it could go IPOs it could go to the moon it could it could just be stagnant probably goes up a little bit but you know it'll fluctuate and that's great for like traditional people who are like in the stock market maybe you yourself will get into it. I don't think I'm going to buy Coinbase stock I just I mean it'll probably do great I just doesn't really do much for me. I think I'll put in this something else that will appreciate a little faster again it could appreciate tons I don't know but remember that this really to me what it means to me is like a stamp of approval like hey here's your here's your exchange and it's all cryptocurrency assets and this will kind of just lead all these people who are like naysayers not just naysayers but people like I don't really know about this stuff just to go you know what there's a publicly traded company besides Voyager which is an exchange Voyager isn't a brokerage that is actually been listed and it has a high valuation and a lot of smart money is getting into it maybe I should look into that maybe it's nudges for drug smugglers and all that stuff that they talked to me about anyhow so just so you know this will happen April 14th in two days two days wow and again the big thing is traditional finance when when they see this happening I think a lot of money is going to start to dump into crypto's digital assets but this is just the IPO once this goes through I think potentially an ETF can actually go go actually happen I'm going to tell you exactly why and some other pitfalls so just so you know Coinbase itself has 56 million verified users that's verified users overall monthly users it's like 6 million and we we covered this in a story about a couple weeks ago and yeah so 6 million monthly users that's pretty great 36 million verified users that's fantastic but they've been around for a long time so I could see that actually happening and they talked about how the value could be anywhere from 50 billion to a hundred billion dollars for Coinbase wow right now I'm trying to make a lot of money by contrast just to give a comparison Intercontinental exchange or ICE which runs a New York stock exchange has a market cap of 65 billion NASDAQ has a market cap of 25 billion and here comes little old Coinbase hey we're at a hundred billion sorry new kid in the block and that's how it goes that kind of valuation is getting the investment community particularly the exchange trade of fund or ETF community very excited so first of all a couple of things and that is that um I think if we take a look at this is just what everything is compared to the world's money and markets and what it all is you scroll down and I'll link this in the in the comment section or in the description so stock markets you got 89 and a half trillion dollars that is just kind of sloshing around there and then money and global real estate at 270 how much is it 280 trillion wealth is a ton and then derivatives you know futures that type of thing like almost a quadrillion or at least 500 trillion so when we talk about these these traditional money players this is where the money's at this is where it all is and this is where we have to extract that money from them doing goofy things not financial advice that they can get into our market and so when we talk about like our cap of two trillion dollars remember one year ago we were at like 200 billion dollars during march of 2020 and now I mean that just sounds ridiculous doesn't it too I mean two trillion you're like yeah that's how it should be so if we take a look at all the money that's sloshing around out there a lot of different factors I think that these types of things are good stories to bring people out I don't care who gets into it I just want people into it so they can actually bring all these funds in there now if they want to keep playing in those markets and do forex trading all that crazy stuff where they get a 0.05% per day have fun that sounds awful to me so again I think it's gonna be great and this is all about really transitioning from the IPO to the ETF market so it talks about other tech ETFs particularly Cathie Wood's ARK FinTech innovation as well as GlobalX FinTech ETF FinX will also be likely buyers and as just the beginning we will see many more ETF firms filing for a crypto type fund so there's two things ETF type I mean ETF type funds or hedge funds sure they can get into it they can put in a basket whatever else but if we take a black like an ETF like a traditional ETF that's going to be hopefully coming through this year I've talked about this in the channel I don't I never really thought it could actually happen but with things that are going on and the institution is really getting into it then you got Gensler who's going to be hopefully confirmed very soon who taught blockchain and cryptocurrency at MIT I think this could be you know it could actually happen which would be fantastic and then to me I'm like who cares about an ETF right because I always make the mistake of everybody's like me like well everybody's go down just go down to Voyager or go down to Gemini or go on a Coinbase and just pick yourself up some Bitcoin you know you don't have to be a credit investor just put 25 bucks in dollar cost average what's the problem I didn't really get it until I talked to a couple friends Alex Maschioli and Ryan Gorman over at Trade the Chain and I listened to also an article or it was I think it was Pompliano's podcast and he had Kevin O'Leary from Shark Tank and he was talking about how like look you don't understand it if I could just have an ETF and then I could roll my you know millions of dollars in there I'm not everything right but you know a couple just a whole tree couple million dollars and I could put that into an ETF that'd be great because he was like it doesn't make any sense for me to go to an exchange where I don't it doesn't really physically exist and then I have to like you know just you know they're going to custody it maybe or I'm going to put it on like that little device like this this is going to be a couple million dollars you out of your mind and we're like yeah that's exactly how it is so for him and the rest of the people like him that doesn't compute they need an old style ETF so where someone else can just do all the work for them they just dump money in and go make me some more money and that's what rich people do here's a bunch of money make me more money and an ETF is what they're used to so let's just give them what they're used to it's just like every other business out there you have a customer this customer wants this thing you give them that thing and they do the thing that you want to do it's so simple I don't see why that's why businesses just don't do that so with this ETF again like the little graph we just took took a look at there's a lot of money sloshing around there and if we can just get an ETF then a lot of more people have like all right I'll get into it now the smarter ones the earlier adapters they're already here but I think there's a lot of people on the sidelines just waiting that's how I see it anyhow so that's the good part right here's a couple a couple things that I think you should know first of all ETF solves a lot of problems we just talked about it's like a stamp of approval all we were talked about too this was interesting the gold the gold ETF changed the world when it came out in 2004 it made it easy to own gold as an asset class and I was like really couldn't you just pick up some gold bullion it's like circle k or something like that apparently not apparently it was very tough and 2004 I'm like well what did that ETF do for gold interesting enough here's a nice little chart of like 30 years it's really 1972 40 years it is wow I'm getting old and then uh you know here you know Nixon took us off this gold standard and kind of went up people could get and then in 2004 right around here I don't know around let's see around here May 12, 2004 some around here right this one that ETF was launched I don't know the exact date but if you take a look at 2004 look at 2005 and six and seven and eight nine 10 11 12 then there's a drop off and then here we are back again so again ETF really did do that you know and I'm sure gold bugs are like what's the problem you can just go down to wherever and get yourself a gold bullion onto the problem it's the same thing with me I'm like what's the problem just go down to you know your local exchange sign up it's online use your phone and put it in there people are used to that give them an ETF that's it so I will say this though those gold bugs I own gold and silver just so you know but when I see stuff like this I'm like wow went up from $1500 in 2012 almost a 2000 2020 what a huge deal right anyhow I'm not going to get rich off gold just a hedge and I hate the people who are always talk about like you got to own gold because you know economic collapse right on the corner and Mad Max Thunderdome and EMPs sure anyhow I own gold but get real so going on several weeks ago and this is this is kind of like the negative part of it right so we want an ETF the IPO is going to do well several weeks ago the SEC acknowledged the receipt of Vanax Bitcoin ETF application which set in motion a 45-day regulatory review period great at the end of the period the SEC must approve deny or punt or like just go out for another 240 days and then what most people believe is that even though it's you've got Fidelity they're trying to get their ETF you got Vanax which were big traditional players in gold and now they're into Bitcoin they're just going to punt it down the road and 240 days then they'll just probably they might deny they might approve hopefully they approve again we got Gensler in there so who knows but the thing is we've been waiting this for a long time and I remember there's been videos about this before and it never happens but I think we're close and here's a couple reasons why a few years ago there was no regulated futures market now there is and the volumes are pretty darn high there was also no regulated custodians with insurance I think that's big because the SEC's job is to make sure that people are protected whatever you want to say to that and now there is custodians with insurance so again I think we're on the right track maybe this actually happens and if it does actually happen I know some people think it's not going to be a big deal I kind of think it will because of what we just talked about with all this trillions of dollars just sloshing around and it could be enormous anyhow let me know what you think in the comment section but lastly I will just say this if you think everything's going to happen on April 14th when the IPO comes about and everyone's like give me bitcoin and give me cardano and give me tron and give me well tomato coin it's not going to happen it's just like marketing you got to see it a lot of times before you actually buy it but this gives us legitimacy and that's why I think that 2021 towards the end of the year we're going to see fireworks let me stay in the comment section let's move on to our next piece ah real quick finance is pretty awesome let's be honest I wish I could have gone in a Binance coin I'm in America can't do it we got Binance US I mean Texas you can't do that either so I mean that maybe it's changed I'm not for sure but I remember when I tried to get Binance US like sorry Texan you're not going nowhere which is why I'm probably moving to Puerto Rico anyhow so this was something that Voyager was talking about doing about you know going crypto to stocks and I thought it was fantastic and then I was going to say this I'm like damn they wrapped they lapped them already so Binance is going to offer up digital tokens that represent fully back shares of equity stock and they're going to do Tesla to start it off and to me like I know there's there's slight differences in you know actually only the stock and then the digital tokens of the stock but if you're trying to make money I don't see the the big thing right so of course people in the comments will tell me what a moron I am and that I this is doesn't really make sense but to me if you're going from crypto and you can own a Tesla stock or you can own an Airbnb stock or a Mara stock or a Riot stock and you don't want to deal with you know what was it Robin Hood and all the shenanigans that they do sure why not let's make some money so I think it's that's pretty good so again if you're looking at what your token does take a look at what it does right now let me just think of the comment section it's going to our last two pieces just so you know not to toot my own horn not really but uh I try to do the things I just say I'm going to do like we used to do scam of the day and now what I try to do is like clean up all the scammers I had my assistant and she would go through and wipe some things out it was just ridiculous because they would just come back and put more in so somebody contacted me a company contacted me and go look we want to help clean this up and this is just ridiculous I go sure let's let's give it a shot and like the first couple uh weeks worked out pretty great it was like 70% reduction I go you guys get a tweak it and make it even better and they did and now we got a 99 90 to 95% reduction in spam comments in our in our comment section because here's the thing YouTube ain't going to do it so it's up to us so I was like well let's do it and we did it works out pretty well if you look at my comment section as as compared to like other comment sections and other YouTube videos you'll see it's pretty clean it's not perfect it can't be perfect it's very hard to do that but uh I think we might be able to get to near perfection as time goes on so this is just my commitment to you because I don't want you to go through all the scams and I want you to be screwed over and on top of that I don't want you to have to like go through all these spammy crappy comments all the time just be like oh call my what's that blah blah blah it's stupid so if I can do that great if you are a YouTuber reach out to me directly at dan digital asset news with an s at gmail.com or for all you guys who already DM me just DM me I've already got you my DMs oh one more thing if I don't if I don't reply to your DM in Twitter I get like 100 DMs a day and the it's very tough so uh the best I can do is get you at some point sorry and then the last thing is so that's the comment section but there's also scammers I don't know how the hell they did this but there's somebody from with the gmail of dan digital asset new without the s uh dan digital asset new at gmail.com and that is not my email my email is dan digital asset news with an s at gmail so I need you to do me a favor if you get something from this piece of trash could you take that email and every email account that I know of there's like a spam folder or you can label it as spam label as a spam because he has he's on the gmail domain if you label it as spam enough a lot enough people do that then he will get his email banned or taken away or reduced or something so please do that so I don't have people going hey you scam me that always sucks and let's not scam people so please that'd be great anyhow let me know what you think of the comment section and again if you're a YouTuber reach out to me I'll give you the information for this new company and I'll give you the introduction all right so that's it for the and then we'll move on to the last piece which is this this scared the hell out of me because I was like I didn't know how to do this and I was just I was actually just researching for a couple of articles because I was going to shill crypto trader and I trust that's right okay it is what it is I don't lie to you so with this one I found this article and this is what it says I was like damn it this is only for Americans just you know the deadline to file a 2020 individual federal turn and paying tax has been extended May 17th so that's what I've been talking about on this channel like I think that usually crypto universe does pretty well in uh right after April 15th because Americans all pay their taxes I know America is in the whole world I get it but we're a kind of a good size chunk in the crypto sphere so like people like me we don't have times or don't have the funds to actually put more in we got to actually take some out and pay our tax just how it is so usually see at the end of April May then things have to really shoot up so I think that this is going to be great especially with the Coinbase IPO and maybe an ETF it's approved who knows then we start to see May June July is going to be just just bananas so that's what's happening but this is what was interesting um most states are following the extended federal deadlines and a few have adopted even more extensions uh tax deadline remains this year the first estimated tax deadline remains April 15th here's what the IRS says individuals including sole proprietors partners and s-corps shareholders generally have to make estimated tax payments if they expect to owe a tax of a thousand bucks or more when the return is filed corporations generally have to make estimated tax payments if they expect to owe tax of 500 bucks or more when their return is filed so just you know reach out to your CPA or to the place you do your tax and go is this true in my state do I have to pay right now and then I can file in May we I always ask for an extension and file in October but I still got to pay so that's just how it is everybody's got to pay so that's what's going on which leads me to my last points first of all if you're struggling with getting everything together for your uh your taxes use crypto trader dot tax okay I've used it for two years now the first year from the time I signed up got logged in put all my information in and sent it to my accountant to review took me 30 minutes this time it took a little bit longer because I had to wait for Voyager CSV file which sucked but I mean hey it was it is what it is and I had to wait but everything else was done and she's a god and everything's good so uh in the link in the description there is in the link in the description in the description there's a link and it's it goes to crypto trader dot tax you get 20% off for viewers of ban on top of there's a video that explains exactly how to use the information or how to put the information in a video I did it's like 15 minutes very simple and then lastly there's also a link to this web page where you can enter to win a $300 unlimited tax report just put your first name and email enter to win they draw one every single week so whichever you want to do you want to try to win one big one sure or you want to get things done just sign up for crypto traders not that much so that's that part lastly if you're sick of paying taxes like me just why I'm probably gonna move uh take a look at a crypto IRA and uh what's great about that is that first of all if you have a traditional IRA uh old employer plan like a 401k 403b or a military tsp if you're about to retire for military tsp just so you know or a 457 you can move it over tax and penalty free to a crypto IRA with eye trust look in the description there's a video I talked about between all the difference like a Roth a sep and a traditional IRA and how this all works and then also just so you know uh these are tax free when you put them in there and you can actually trade inside your IRA tax free when it's in there and then lastly in quarter two which is like right now they're going to be able to allow you to uh stake ethereum and polka dot and then all the rewards are also tax free so that's pretty great so uh what do you want to do link in the description and that is it for today so first of all thanks for sticking with me and it was a bit of a rant a lot of great things going on it's going to be a fantastic year if you like today's video give it a thumbs up it helps tremendously also consider subscribing a lot of things we talk about our time sensitive like we just talked about and that is it for today so thanks so much for watching I do appreciate I'll see you on the next 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Novak Djokovic vs Aleksandr Zverev, it's the second semi-final for the men's Cincinnati Open for 2023. Both guys have been very impressive to get to the semi-finals. Zverev entered the tournament as the number 16 seed, and will take on Grigory Dmytrov in the first round. This is no problem for Zverev getting through in straights, 6-2, 6-2. In the second round he take on Nishioka, and after a close first set, Zverev would win in straights, 7-5, 6-4. In the third round he take on Danomevvedev, the number three seed, a man that he'd already lost to three times this year. And after splitting the first two sets, Zverev would fight back in the final set to win, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, to advance to the quarter-finals. In the quarter-finals, Zverev would take on the unseared Manorino. He wasn't expected to get this far, but Zverev was so dominant, getting through in straights, 6-2, 6-3, to advance to the semi-finals. Djokovic entered the tournament as the number two seed, and will get a buy in the first round. In the second round he take on Fakina, and after winning the first set, Fakina was forced to retire. In the second, giving Djokovic the win, 6-4 of retirement. In the third round he take on Moffiis, a guy that he'd beaten 18 times before. And just like the previous meetings, Moffiis had no chance. Djokovic getting the win, 6-3, 6-2, to advance to the quarter-finals. In the quarter-finals, Djokovic would take on the number nine seed Fritz, who played a close match against last year at the ATP Finals. However, Djokovic was on another level, beating Fritz in an hour, 6-love, 6-4, to advance to the semi-finals. These guys have played 11 times with Djokovic leading the head to head 7-4, but Zverev has won two of their last three matches, including a match two years ago at the ATP Finals. If Zverev is going to win this match, he needs to serve well and be aggressive. Fritz was so passive against Djokovic, despite having a big serve, so Zverev is going to have to do a little bit more than that and play more like he did when he played against Mervitav, come to the net and mix it up against Djokovic. If Djokovic is going to win this one, he needs to just keep doing what he's doing. He's beaten Zverev a few times before. Also, Zverev is still on the comeback. I know it's been almost eight months since he played his first match in his comeback, but he still is on the comeback and trying to get to these big finals. So, Djokovic should use that and maybe there is some nerves from Zverev that he can take advantage of in the first sets.  Eleven times they've played, but they haven't played in two years. So, I've got to go with Djokovic in this one. I think Djokovic will win this one. Maybe in three sets, a close one, but I think Djokovic is just a little bit extra experience at the moment. Zverev is still, like I said, coming back to this stage of tournaments and rising up the rankings, but let me know in the comments below. Who's going to make the final?


Your coca-cola bottler presents Claudia Claudia based on the play and novels by Rose Franken brought to you transcribed Monday through Friday by your friendly neighbor who bottles coca-cola Relax and while you're listening refresh yourself Have a coke And now Claudia Kitchen where are you at the office hadn't left yet? We'll be finished breakfast ten minutes ago five things awful long for five minutes But hopefully short for ten. I didn't even find what I was looking for. What are you looking for me? I was looking for my pants. You're wearing them. Oh, what do you think? I only have one pair Anything the matter with the pair you're wearing. No, nothing except they aren't the pair. I'm looking for you're gonna change them now No Evans no, I'm I'm getting ready to paint the bookcases. I thought you were going to the office. Well not now darling I mean I'm going to the office now I'm getting ready to paint the bookcases some other time, but they don't need painting. They're lovely green Well, don't you remember we decided last night. We want them white in the country made you think of that now We're not moving for months. Are we I'm going to get the paint today and start working on them tonight Oh wonderful. I love painting things when they're all one color you are not painting the bookcase What color are we going to paint? We are not painting them. I'm painting them I don't know why women think it's so easy to paint houses and furniture and things. It is easy. It is not Well, it looks easy.  I know Looks like fun while you're doing it, and then it looks terrible after you don't have to be a man to paint a bookcase The hardest part is taking the books out and putting them back again. Well, maybe I'll give you a hand with that I wouldn't want you to do that That's the kind of thing only women know how to do apparently you really don't think there's any art at all the painting bookcase None. Don't you know the brush stroke is everything?  That's just why I haven't left for the office yet What's why I'm not wearing a smock, but I do want those painting pants of mine. Oh What do you suppose I've been looking for ever since I said goodbye You've been looking for your painting pants. Oh bright girl. You haven't seen them. Have you those body old things? Mm-hmm. I don't see what you want with them. That's not spot It's tradition the spotiest tradition I ever saw my whole career as a house painter can be traced on those Pants don't you think it's about time you have them clean clean? Yeah, those parents. Yeah Worst idea I've heard of yet. You don't want them clean. Of course not Remind me to tell you sometime how happy I am to have married you me Any other woman would have sent those pants to the cleaners after seeing them in my closet without a second thought Any other woman Not only wasteful, but such a total lack of understanding a total lack of understanding just because she She'd send a pair of pants to the cleaners. There are some things that just shouldn't be cleaned. What? Besides old pants with paint on them for instance old pants with paint on them are enough Meddling women can't leave a man's things alone. I'm glad I didn't marry one. Oh Oh What I've done just an old egg cup. Oh that I wasn't thinking of the egg cup nice one though They're also hard to get nowadays egg cups are so are old pants. Oh, you didn't see mine around anywhere. Did you I? Like eating eggs out of the shell don't you? David did you hear that a man has invented square eggs?  There weren't any cleaners that I bet you 20 cent well Please try to find my painting pants today because I'd like to start on the bookcases this evening We aren't doing anything else.  I wouldn't touch them if I did find them if those pants were clean I'd probably lose my touch completely cut so you please look for them. Will you I'll look master And you better look for a couple of egg cups darling or a dozen square eggs. I will Goodbye Goodbye, David.  We just got to Hello, is this Logan's cleaning and dying? Hello, Mr. Logan. This is Mrs. Norton. Mrs. David Norton. Oh, Mr. Logan. Look, I've got something terribly terribly urgent And you'll just have to help me do it. Mr. Logan Well, of course, we're going to do everything we can to help you Mrs. Norton Urgent things of our specialty, you know, brown trousers with paint on them You brought them in last week What color did you say they were? Excuse me, please, Mr. Norton. My other phone is ringing Logan's cleaning and dying Mr. Logan speaking. Good morning. You'll have to excuse me. I've got someone on the other phone Yes, Mr. Norton. I mean Norton. Of course your trousers are ready. I'm sure they are Excuse me a moment, please. And now what exactly can I do for you, madam? A blue dress with pleats Wasn't I talking to you just now? Well, well, I'm sorry madam, but you'll still have to wait Yes, I'm sure they're ready, Mrs. Norton. You'd like me to deliver them. Well, oh, there's the third phone Mrs. Norton, my girl is sick and the deliver boy didn't show up today and and my assistant is on his vacation and oh, there's the door Oh, and my goodness the back door And if you don't mind, Mrs. Norton, you'd better come over and get the trousers yourself Things were a tiny bit upset, but I think I'll have everything all straightened out by three o'clock Hey, Mr. Logan, I'm Mrs. Norton. Mrs. Norton and Mrs. David Norton. That's me. I that's I Here are your trousers, Mrs. Norton You don't mind. I'm sure if I open them for you. I like to look at the superior work turned out by this establishment What sort of spots did you say were on these trousers paint big tremendous gobs of paint all colors, too Red paint yellow paint and blue paint. Well, Mrs. Norton as you will see every drop of paint has been removed by your husband from your Husband trousers without the slightest injury. Oh, I was afraid of that afraid afraid I'm not sure I understand. Just let me have the trousers, Mr. Logan. I couldn't begin to explain I want you to see them first Well, well, Mrs. Norton here you are just as I said, isn't it? Beautiful herringbone trousers and not the suspicion of paint on them. I never saw anything like it in my life We pride ourselves on our work, Mrs. Norton. You mean under all that paint these trousers look like that You know, Mr. Logan, I didn't even know they were herringbone. You didn't Well, well, that's very amusing. Mrs. Norton as a matter of fact I'm almost sure it wasn't herringbone, but I could see of it delightful You don't mind if I use this little incident and some advertising we're planning Your husband will be very busy. I'm very happy. I'm sure it's just like finding a new pair of trousers in one's closet Just like it's more than that. How's that again, Mrs. Norton? Those are new trousers. I beg your pardon Those are not my husband's trousers. There must be some mistake, Mrs. Norton Perhaps the shock of seeing them without paint. Mr. Logan's shock hasn't anything to do with it Mr. Norton's pants were not herringbones and they were about about 12 inches smaller Around here than those there must be some mistake Where do you think our pants are? They're probably at the factory being cleaned They won't be back until tomorrow. Aren't they in your store? Mrs. Norton nothing is kept in the store What's that pile of things over there? That's nothing. It's not nothing at all an awfully big pile for nothing That's clothes. It just recently came in. We haven't had time to send to the plant yet Mrs. Norton you you can't go back there. Mrs. Norton really you you haven't any right to go looking through those clothes Telephone only Mrs. Norton. I assure you those trousers were sent off last week Logan's cleaning and dying Logan's cleaning and dying excuse me, please Mrs. Norton. What are you doing with that old oily rag? This old oily rag mr. Logan happens to be quite a tradition in my family It's my husband's pants, but Mrs. Norton. Oh, mr. Logan. You're such a wonderful cleaner Anybody home? Who wants to know? It's the bookcase painter lady. All ready to go to work? Who wants to know? Coffee clean for a painter. Are you sure you can qualify? Just give me time lady. Just let me get started A good painter doesn't have to get started. He looks dirty before he gets started. Well, you've got to give me a chance Mrs. No, no, I'm very sorry mr. Norton, but the lady who owns that bookcase won't let anybody near them Who doesn't look like a painter? Well, if you won't huh?  No, you're too clean Your clothes are too clean, but I've got the paint. No, you need more than paint to be a painter I've got the brush too and the turpentine and the rags. Your uniform is not right and the lady who owns these bookcases won't let you near them Well, um How about you? Can't you do anything for me? 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ook at it from a business standpoint it's not our decision we're not making this decision you guys and you ladies are making this decision we believe it's a good decision for the common council and for the city of Sheboygan and Sheboygan County we talk about a timeline because there's been a lot of communication about such a fast timeline Mark McCarroll, one of the partners and owners of the of Great Lakes said and I repeated, you got a PGA that is going to open up or have a project in August of 2004 that comes once in a lifetime once in a lifetime and yeah, we'd love to see the helicopters flying over and showing that peninsula and promoting Sheboygan that's an opportunity we can't miss we're not going to get into that one if we are, we might get into that one but not right away, we don't get them that quick we talk about if this project fails if this project fails it's because not enough people were involved I can share something and I don't think I'm speaking out of school here when you have to negotiate a 52 million dollar deal and you got 18 people in the room which there were at times that was tough enough add another 16 to negotiate it I think that's what we rely on our professional people started this thing off you had some great people doing negotiations and as Alderman Schultz said yes, we may need to rely on them and take their advice it's a very difficult document to understand I can't understand it and I'm not saying that because it's stupid it's just very difficult to understand and if it's up to 80 pages now it just became another 16 or 18 pages more to understand as I said a week or two ago our SDC people would be more than happy to answer any questions about the financial parts of it but we don't really have to you got Rich Gappert which is one great finance director he watches your money very closely you got a city attorney that dots every I and every T and then goes back and checks it and then you hired Anne you got Paulette you had good people look at this I think this is a time where we need to put some faith and I guess I don't say just trust me because that's not what I'm saying I'm saying we rely on experts and when I need to have business decisions I need to go to the experts you got the experts and the next week or so or next week whatever it's going to be you're going to have all the numbers we're going to ask you to take a real close look at it we believe that when you sit down with these people they're going to tell you you got a good deal I'd hate to see this not happen not only because yes we put personal monies up and we did put personal monies up the land was bought with money from the friends of sheboygan that's how we got the land some are grants some are loans that's how we got the land it's interesting it's not as individuals but as people that have our companies in this city and people that have employees that work in this city and live in this city yes we believe it's a good investment and it's going to raise our it's going to keep our taxes down we're going to have something on the south pier that is second to none and I think this council can be proud to say that they passed that we put our foot forward we're standing behind it we're asking the city to do the same thing Mr. Sousha referenced being short 20 million dollars on TIFF 6 if you look at that that counts for I believe it's 17 acres 17 acres out of 41 or 42 can you put another 20 million dollars on that TIFF 6 doesn't just sit in that peninsula just so everybody's aware of that it goes across the river reference to the armory to the green warehouse site TIFF 6 is not a peninsula it's all part of that marina do we think you can put another 20 million dollars I think so if you got something classy enough to start off with but if we're going to put a bunch of condos down there or some single family housing or a bunch of fish shanties now I don't think you're going to get another 20 million dollars because I don't think we can get 52 million dollars out of fish shanties and condominiums will we step forward as the SDC and the friends to help find another 20 million dollars for the development down there you darn right you darn right we've stepped forward this far we're not going to walk away and say bye boys bye girls that's a commitment you have from the SDC we'll keep whirling, we'll keep trying to help and work with the city we're not trying to strong arm anybody we're just trying to see a good project for sheboygan and we think it's a great project and I ask you when you look at this look at the risk but also look at the benefits because ladies and gentlemen we don't have anything in our back pocket if this does not go through thank you very much thank you Alderman Warner hang on I've been looking at this document as long as I could just like the rest of you have and we've received a lot of information this evening we've also had two weeks to review the basic document it's now up to us individually to review the facts and come to a conclusion this council over the past year many people have worked very hard to get to this point Mayor Shram Rich our finance director Steve our city attorney Tom our director of public works Paulette our director of planning and development and others have spent countless hours both in sheboygan and away working on this agreement many times these people the mayor included put in 12 to 14 hour days working home until 11 o'clock p.m. at night or later after their exhaustive efforts and those of the sheboygan development corporation and the friends of sheboygan the baton has been passed to us it is time for this council to prepare for the future of sheboygan time for this council to do its part and its duty over the next couple of weeks make sure to take notes of any questions you have call the mayor staff email your questions in you can and should get the answers you need to make an informed decision but it is your responsibility to seek those answers I urge you to do this on a continual basis not only with this issue but with all issues the appropriate city officials have done their job the mayor and staff have brought this to the common council for our review the staff is here to provide the council guidance and expert advice use this resource ask your questions and you'll get answers you do not have to wait until the last minute to get the answers you need this city is not static it is not standing still and neither is the world around us sometimes things do move faster than we like but that is part of the world we live in today competent and reliable people have worked very hard on this and we owe them the respect to do our part in the same way lastly I think we all realize the importance of this project to the future of the city of sheboygan the added tax base the additional jobs the business activity it will produce the diversification of our economy our local economy all of those are benefits we as a city will reap and it will ripple across the entire county and beyond I wish to thank Mayor Schramm the staff, the STC the friends of sheboygan for their perseverance many times in the face of undue criticism in bringing this project forward it takes courage and vision to lead but it also takes a lot of hard work and I think that hard work is evident tonight I think it truly is time to honorize on the sea rise coal yard and its transformation into the south pier district and ultimately the blue harbor resort and conference center let's do our job and let's move forward thank you alderman warner alderman manny thank you just a quick question about our debt structure I understand and please define this for me it sounds somewhat unbelievable perhaps it's true that we can maintain our 3% debt structure and not transcend that and still do the police station and the south pier project a quick outline of that structure I would appreciate I believe what you said is true but I don't have those numbers right in front of me but I in discussing with the mayor and rich before rich left town he apologized for not being here what he needed to do today was set long time ago but in some discussions the debt structure would be set up because we have a self-imposed 3% limit and that we would still try to maintain under that the state imposes I believe it's a 6% limit 5% or 6% 5% limit and the council has decided to stay under 6% out of 3% I'm sorry and it's my understanding that we would still maintain that that's one of the things we'll be discussing with rich in how we would do that and the dollars that would be needed to do that in the structure and future borrowings for things like Mr. Shusha and you have just brought up how would that reflect in future borrowings and affect our debt service in the future for other projects that's something we're going to be discussing and we will bring that back to you anything else Alderman and Wongamit thank you a lot of questions have been asked tonight we've been given a lot of facts we've seen a whole bunch of beautiful drawings we've got experts, plenty but one question hasn't been asked is what do the taxpayers of Sheboygan want this is a representative body have we forgotten the people who sent us here I hope not because after all is said and done the bottom line is what do the people who pay the bills want what do the taxpayers want this document keeps getting thicker and thicker we get all kinds of presentations but again the bottom line is what do the taxpayers want I challenge every Alderman in this distinguished body to find out what the people in their districts want and to represent that desire because that's why we're supposed to be here this is a representative body we really do hope when all is said and done we actually do represent the people who put us in these seats thank you if not you'll hear from them next April Alderman Mayor Schramm thank you Alderman Manny if you'd like to stop up tomorrow we'll show you those figures, correct we can do both projects and we can stay under a 3% cap correction for Mayor Schuchat we are not borrowing $11.2 million for the police facility my statement to the council was we're borrowing $6.5 or $6.7 million and doing that we can do both projects we can do the South Spear District and we can also do the police station and stay under a 3% cap but I do have those figures in my office if you'd like to see them I'll give them a mile Chief Chief you sat quiet all day long I'd just like to say one thing it's a sense of seriousness in this meeting tonight to concern and that's good but I want to remember one thing why it's good that we have a decision to make we have a decision to make because of our country and I think we should remember that there's people, men and women in this world from our United States that are protecting our country for the right that they have the decisions that we're making tonight for the future of Sheboygan I want to say that I've stayed in a facility in Wisconsin Dales many times and I think we should be glad the company of this sort has come forth to City of Sheboygan to do this I can tell you I can speak on behalf of many people in labor I came from labor background that they're excited about this I think they're hoping you dot the I's cross the T's and make it right for Sheboygan and again let's remember the troops across C's who are protecting the right that you 16 older men have to make a great decision like you have tonight thank you okay as it was said I think all the okay Denny Moyer I thought we had her hang on let me okay I just would like to take one minute here basically to thank the mayor and to thank the staff and to thank the SDC and the Friends of Sheboygan and the development redevelopment group for getting it this far it was unbelievable and I would like to share with you just you're looking at numbers and you're looking at pros and cons and you should that's what you're here for but I'd like to share with you a couple of things that you may not have thought about tourism tourism by its nature is an investment it's just a simple investment if you have any idea how much money the convention and visitors Bureau invested with the NCAA to get that tournament this last week it would boggle your mind if you had any idea how much money the fans spent in Minneapolis last week it too would boggle your mind Great Lakes people are talking they're going to hire 300 people there's going to be so much more than 300 more people working because in the wintertime we can do things now in the state in tourism and essentially we're only working five months a year if we have a water park if we have an ability to bring in conventions we can have people here in the winter and then briscoe county and dox I don't have to worry about just having people on weekends in the summer they're going to have to hire people all year long everybody moves up and we don't need any more people in the summer right hotels are full you know what we can do in the summer if I had more room to promote things with that lake sailing we can't bring in an NCAA I'm not asking you to build me a Coliseum here we got Lake Michigan sailing regattas we can bring in huge fishing tournaments we can't do it now because it's pointless because there's no place to put anybody another 180 rooms will get us over the top we've gone so far and that's essentially all I've got to say but the dreams and the things that we can do in this community with a little vision a little courage and a little support for our leaders is something that will just put us on the map and our kids for years to come will really thank us for thank you thanks Danny I want to thank everybody for being here tonight it's been a long night we've had a lot of questions answered but I think we also asked as many questions to still need answers to as we do to still work the next process on this whole thing will be the finance committee will be meeting next week Monday and then we will have another committee of the whole in which we can go over more specific dollars again please if you have any questions contact the staff they're all here contact the SDC contact the city staff the mayor's office you know I don't think there's been a day that gone by that I've talked to Mayor Shram and one of the last words out of my mouth would be how's the Great Lakes thing going all you got to do is ask and you'll get an update from them of what's happening so we're all in the building talk to him talk to him talk to them ask the questions if you don't get them we need to get all the questions answered before we move on if it takes another meeting if it takes two more meetings we've got to do that I think everybody deserves the right to have all the information before we make this decision it's been moved and seconded to adjourn and thank you very much


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was not many Popeyes near my area when I was growing up Growing up before I before like when I was a baby baby, honestly um Baby baby like my parents actually first of all, I just learned that church's chicken is like texas church's chicken I didn't realize that was like a texas thing Because all the church's chickens here haven't rebranded and It doesn't say like texas church's chicken. It just says churches But when I was a kid that's like the one we used to go to a lot But then they built like a kfc near us and that's where we always just went Tony romas I've been to one of those All right, let's do this randomizer here guys and let's give away some break credit. So That is it guys I'm gonna put like last last one right there for Raymond because he's like the last entry See we can track that okay doki. So Let's throw this in there Into the sheets And we're deleting you buddy And we're also deleting these ones. Oh, Davey said my family was yeah Take a picture of your scissor Honestly, I like I said, I remember here in scissor because of my uncles all my parents side But like I never knew where there was a scissor and so I got older And there I grew up in almonium in so called it was just very very dominant mexican hispanic so Besides like normal little fast food places. It wasn't really anything chain-wise So if I were if we wanted to go to like a restaurant or something like that we really had to like Drive out of our city really I mean we had like denny's Stuff like that, but it was never really that crazy But you know for me me growing up like Like I definitely had it a little bit better You know financially because my parents were a lot older For my brother and sister that were that are much older than me like 18 years apart they they had it a lot rougher because My parents were so young and they had their kids. I mean my mom was basically like 16. My dad was like 19 Um, and you know had kids so young and You know had it rough really but By the time out my by the time my sister was born to my other sister It was a little bit better And then obviously me I got her a lot better than all my other siblings All right guys, here we go. So again, I'll I'll do all the announcements and let you guys know, you know all this stuff But yeah, 10 winners got our eight winners only guys top eight get some break credit 200 codes each Good luck everybody What's up everybody jason from jaspercasebreak.com we just sold out our promo guys We unlocked it. So basically we had a packers versus four naners bounty promo Which was tonight only and potentially giving away up to $2,000 in break credit. So you're probably thinking man I haven't seen this before. It's been a while guys. I don't think we've done these in a little bit But for the people that have been breaking this for a little bit, you know, it's pretty pretty fun one um And uh always entertaining to watch the game and break so basically guys We had to do some breaks in the football section Uh, we had to sell at least seven breaks to run the promotion And if we hit that quota and broke at least seven football breaks no matter which ones they were Then we were going to randomize the names and give away some break credit Now the question is how much break credit we were supposed to give away Well, the way it worked was we kind of had to hit some bounties And we didn't actually the 49ers and packers had to hit some bounties for us so If there was a touchdown in the first quarter We'll give away $200 in break credit. If there was a christian mccaffrey touchdown $200 in break credit obviously et cetera, et cetera Like I said every break was out of the ball now ended up being that This bounties did not hit we did not get a touchdown in the first quarter And we did not get three or more total sacks. We only had one sock really So those two did not hit but everything else did hit from the christian mccaffrey Brock purdy 30 for 200 yards or more brown. Are you having three or more catches and jones having two or more catches? Jayden reed had exactly 35 yards receiving That one hit jordan love had two touchdowns or more We had actually two miss field goals. So Actually one was blocked and then one was missed. So that one hit And then there was 45 total points scored in this game. So we only needed 44 So potentially we're going to give away 2000 but in reality, we're only giving away 1600 There's still a lot of money And basically guys, these are the breaks that qualified for it. So we actually ended up doing I think 10 breaks or nine breaks I think one two three four five six seven eight Nine yeah nine breaks actually so two over what we needed So i'm going to gather the names here guys It's actually not as many names as I thought it would be because a lot of the breaks are only 15 spot breaks. So in reality Not too bad And then we're just going to randomize only the names guys. That's it only the names And roll it three into six nine times Top eight customers get break credit codes of 200 dollars each And i'll send those out to you tonight guys. Thank you. Good luck Three into six nine times one two three four five six seven eight nine nine times nine nine All right, here we go Just gonna scroll just just scrolling Just scrolling into the sixties Whoa, why did I go back down bro?   That was last last last mojo 30s 20s teens Edward Or poor just missing out now, of course Edward and Jeremy would have gotten break credit if You would have hit 10 bounties, but unfortunately we did not But top eight Brad s congrats Chris Joe Andresen Alexander Eric K Kenneth barefoot Eric K again And at number one Stephen Kendrick last spot mojo. Oh my god. Was that the break that you sold out? Eric the uh The the uh, panini contenders football break. Wow That's how you do it if that was it All right, so I'm gonna copy the whole list, but unfortunately only the top eight. All right. We'll see you Kendrick Thank christian mccaffrey for scoring a touchdown because you got $200 in break credit Eric Thank brock party for throwing 200 yards or more Kenneth thank brown riuke for having three catches Eric thank erin jones for having two or more catches Alexander thank jaden reed for having 35 uh receiving yards or more. Joe. Thank jordan love for throwing two touchdowns chris Thankfully they missed some field goals And you got $200 and then bret Total score was more than 44 points. Thank the Packers and 49ers for scoring more than 44 points So appreciate it guys. I'll send you guys your break credit codes Like I said, look out for maybe another one another day These are always fun and I think it gets to people wanting to you know get these breaks done and I think it just It's always a fun one guys. So appreciate it guys. I'll send these out and uh, have a great night No problem bret. Appreciate you man So I'll send those out right now and then uh, like I said, I'm done for the night guys. I have my next two days off.   So I got to uh, I think i'm gonna come in like just in the morning from like 10 a.m. To like three do like a four or five hour shift And then someone else will be here. I assume on friday and saturday while i'm gone So like I said, i'll see you guys wednesday for any new releases and then like I said, I'll be here thursday normal and then half a day friday So have a great night guys. I'll set these break credit codes out. Stephen Kendrick. I think I just paid you so you're good to go So have a great night. Thank you guys and uh