Educational access continues to be a major talking point, particularly in the transition of a new presidential administration in a recent edition of the Washington Post, two HBCU presidents underscored the need for a second chance Pell, a program that gives financial aid to incarcerated individuals across the country access to higher education, degree earning opportunities and workforce development. The authors of that editorial joined me today. Dear brothers and friends of the show, Claflin University President, Dr. Duane Wormack and Langston University President, Dr. Kent Smith. Brothers, I appreciate you coming on to talk about this because as many conversations as we have about educational access, it is easy to forget about the significant number of brothers and sisters in that prison pipeline who are looking to come out and make a better way for themselves. So I appreciate the time today, man. Thank you. Thank you for having us. This is an initiative that started in 2017 under the Obama administration. Currently there are five historically black institutions with which Langston and Claflin are part of that cohort. Dr. Smith, I will start with you. We clearly know the benefits of working to make sure that educational access expands to this particular group, but are there also enrollment revenue opportunities for the schools? And could you kind of speak to how such a program creates the expansion for recruitment or even positioning or a good positioning of certain degree programs within such a cohort and how that makes a difference for Langston? Sure. Well, to begin with, for us, it was more about being an HBCU and reaching out to a demographic that is often forgotten. Meaning when you look at the number of people who are incarcerated, certainly African-Americans, blacks are disproportionately incarcerated nationally. And that applies almost in every state in the US, if not all. And so for us, it wasn't necessarily about just an increase in enrollment, but more about serving a population that is often forgotten, particularly African-Americans. So, but the truth of the matter is it can have a boost in enrollment. We started in 2017, the first initiative when we started in one particular prison segment, we started with approximately 10 students. In three years, our program has grown to a little over 90 students in three different facilities today. And I'm interested, no, Dr. Wormack, I will throw you the same question. And it's true, it's not so much an issue to say, hey man, let's get our enrollment up. But it is to say, let's provide opportunities for people who really need it. As a private institution, is there a line where you say this could be a strategic thing, particularly as some of the elements of this program or for certain offenders with nonviolent crimes, certain restrictions on their incarceration and when they will be released? Is it something that you see that could be a strategy over the long term? Yeah, again, I think as Dr. Smith clearly articulated, it could be a strategy, but that's not the purpose. As an HBCU, we have a civic and a more responsibility to support our African-Americans, right? And no matter if and often the lease of those. And so when you think about the critical mass of folks that are incarcerated today or African-American, and if you look at that population and extrapolate that data, and if we don't give them an opportunity, Second Chance Pail is not new, right? In pre-1994, Pail Grant was offered to every prisoner. But then in 1994, under President Clinton's administration, the Pail Grant was taken out. And so what I'm trying to do is bring back the Pail Grant to provide that educational opportunity, because not just the incarceration rate, you gotta look at recidivism. And so how many times these folks are repeating offenders without having a quality? We know access and opportunity and education is equalized in this country. And so why not give them that to limit the recidivism and we can stop using tax dollars to continue to incarcerate them, but to educate them? It's an excellent point about how to appropriately and most effectively use the public trust to support the public itself. As I'm glad you brought that point up. And to that point, as we think about the opportunities and what they take to appropriately grant educational access. And this is for both of you guys. What do you think it would take specifically for cohorts coming out of the incarcerated American pipeline to get them to be successful? We know that a lot of our students at HBCUs, they need just a little bit of nudge to realize their potential. Do you think that there will have to be certain investments made in technology, certain investments made in student support and mentoring or tutoring that will make sure that the handful of students that will be eligible to take advantage of it are indeed successful? And Dr. Smith, and maybe you've been in it, I think you've had about 90 students and maybe you can talk to some of those successes. I think you have some graduates coming up or something like that. And so, to begin with, what we've found is that it really depends on the warden at a given facility. For instance, we are just beginning the process of we have one warden that is now making a way to have the internet available to the students whereby faculty could talk with the prisoners, the inmates outside of the class. In most cases, we've not had wardens. In the other two cases, we've not had wardens who wanted to allow the internet, even just doing a class period. So it's been all face-to-face instruction and follow-up and feedback. So certainly when you look at technology, that's an important piece, we believe, but it does not make it impossible if you don't have the technology. But clearly, when you look at the inmates, it's not just about obtaining the education, it's also about having the connections for them so that when they are released or even pre-release, they have an opportunity to look at certain types of jobs and those kinds of things. Three years later, we are embarking upon our first graduate. In May of 2021, we will have our first set of graduates from the program and two of those have been released already. I'm happy to report they've continued on with us after being released. So they're still involved in completing their education. And I think Dr. Warmer brought up something really, really important. When people, as you notice in the Washington Post piece, there were some comments where people say, why would we use public dollars to do that? Well, to me, it's a question of where you want to put the public dollars. Do you want to re-spend and re-spend because the recidivism rate is so high? And I'll tell you a bias that I have. You know, in the neighborhood I grew up in, didn't grow up in the best of neighborhoods in Louisiana, the reality is I'm one of maybe three doing my time in my hood that went to college. So only because I had a mother who worked an extra job to send me to private schools. And it gave me an opportunity and a viewpoint of that education was important. And I'll tell you, there were many people in my hood who are a lot smarter than me that have given the right opportunity and having the right guidance. They would have gone to college. They would have finished and been done off the thing. So... Well... Yeah, I think we may be losing them, but... Dr. Womack, I think you can kind of speak to that as well because I think it's a powerful point to illustrate. You know, I think Dr. Smith hit on it really, really quickly. I think all three of us have come out of situations in cities, you in Detroit, and me outside of D.C. Where you can say, yes, I'm like, I'm literally a handful of folks that were able to make it out and use education as kind of that vault. Can you speak to that? Because I think that's a really critical point that underscores recidivism, but also underscores the value of HBCUs at large. Right, and I think part of that for me, and that's why I said this is not just an opportunity for educational, this is a labor love. And so as you mentioned, grown up in Detroit, father been incarcerated, brother's been incarcerated, I understand that system. And not that I was just that special, I just had an opportunity to get out. And so I think having that space and provide an educational opportunity for them to be able to better theirself when they come out. Our system is supposed to rehabilitate. And so the system is to rehabilitate and they're not given the opportunities. We clear that a college degree, that you have a potential to have higher earning potential with the college degree, but you're not given that opportunity then the probabilities are low. But also too with technology, with us coming in as new to this, we will kick our first pilot off in January. And part of ours is two of the programs we're looking at is 100% online. So we've been very fortunate to sit in South Carolina. The first three prisons that we're working with are committed to this opportunity and using this virtual and the spirit of, or the challenges of COVID-19. It's allowed us to really reimagine and the prisons reimagine how we deliver education. And so we're excited that, the prisons that we're gonna work with on the pilot will allow us to do some virtual piece. And so hopefully we can be a model for what that looks like of utilizing technology to deliver a top quality HBCU education as well. Dr. Smith, I know we lost you for a second. Just wanted you to finish up that point because it was a critical one. Oklahoma ain't cheating right on that internet. No, no, no. Hope is they don't have a like versus with Teddy Baralee and baby face. That's my guy, I can't see my man. But to that point, and I'll, once again, you got it, you there? Yeah, no, he's trying, but we'll get him back. Okay, I just think it's, okay, I just, for me, it's imperative, if we're in a growing up in situations, circumstances, we're fortunate to be out, but there's a lot of folks that grew up in our communities and our neighborhoods who were just as smart, who just didn't have that opportunity. And so you talk about that prison pipeline, it's imperative we create the education pipeline. And so how do we break some of that? So that's why our program is called the prison education and breaking some of those disparities that are there to get those folks educated and then gainfully employed. But just the education is not enough. You got to provide the full wrap-around services for them. How do we have the mental health component that comes behind it, the housing piece. So we're working with a variety of different entities. And so there's a group out of St. Louis called Concordes Academy that we're gonna partner with very actively, which they have limited their recidivism rate cut it by 44%, no one else in the country has done that because they have 12 points of entry where they have the mental health, they have the housing, they have the food, they have the job placement, have all of those services that's wrapped around. So we're the education component for us. And so we can partner with other entities to help those folks be successful. And then the last thing I would ask, what would you say to folks who would suggest that the best approach for incarcerated individuals is a trade or technical training and not so much the traditional liberal arts training. You know, I just, it's a theory that a lot of folks are buying into, especially when you think about the commitment that a lot of states and cities are making to community college access in particular. How do you kind of respond to that question about the kinds of training that incarcerated individuals should get? Right, I mean, that's very similar to anyone that's going to college, right? You know, I think you find what your niche is. And if your niche is a four year institution with a bachelor's degree that will help you progress, that's great. If it's going into a trade or a two year institution, that's your journey as well. I can speak to both. I went to a community college first, received my social degree and transferred to a four year school. So I understand the importance of both. I don't think it has to be either or it can be a both and. So how do you create stackable credentials? And so maybe they do something at a trade or a two year school and have those credentials be able to transfer. We just want to provide an educational opportunity. But I really struggled with those conversations here and I struggled with them to my core because often the folks that have those conversations when they say four year schools are not for everyone or maybe you need to trade, but if you go to their communities, that conversation is not being had because four year schools are good enough for them, but sometimes it's just not good enough for other folks. I fundamentally believe everybody has the ability to learn and finding out where that niche is. And that's what makes our HBCU so special. We meet students where they are, right? And so however they are, our faculty are engaged in pedagogy strategies and models to help them develop that academic and intellectual curiosity to move them to that space. So they don't have to limit just because of technical, that's in a technical school or two year school is bad. If that's their niche, that's fine, but we're not going to limit them just to say because they're in prison, that's what they have to do. No, if they have the wherewithal and the commitment and the passion, Dr. Smith is not here. He shared with me what was the most enlightened piece for him was how serious the folks were that were in prison, right? Because no point attended, they had nothing but time. And so they were focused on the academic experience. And it was a really eye-opener to the faculty for him because I've asked him this so we can eliminate some learning challenges as we're going through this process. But I said, those students was very serious, were committed and continue to stay focused on that. So I think it's spending that myth of folks who have to go to technical school or two years college. If the four year school is with their passion and commitment and they can deal with the rigor and the hard work, they deserve the opportunity. We're going to try to get Dr. Smith in here for the last word. Hopefully you can hear me now. I'm switching, I'm getting in here. I did hear what you said, DeWon, and I really agree. And again, not all inmates are born the same or created equal. And so to me, we're doing a huge disservice if we automatically assume that just because someone's in prison or they're incarcerated, that they don't have the smarts of the wherewithal to be able to produce or to help society. We found it to be quite the opposite. Some of these students or some of the sharpest students that our faculty have seen and have been very, very keenly and surprised, quite frankly, where some of our faculty initially were concerned about having to go into the prisons. I can tell you three years later, we have very little trouble finding faculty now to teach in the second chance program, because they find that the majority of the second chance pale students are very serious, very smart, and many of them want to better themselves, which most people have never been to prison. They don't understand what it's really like. And the final piece, just full disclosure, even though I grew up where I grew up with two parents at home, my parents, my mom in particular made a way for me to go to a certain type of school, but I have a brother who was locked up. And so I know firsthand that even if you come from a household with good guidance, the background and the surroundings really do matter. And in my same household, my brother had a very different path and he's doing well today, but he spent a year locked up. And so that doesn't make him any less intelligent than I am. And he's now producing and helping society, but people make judgments mostly because they don't know what it's really like. This is a powerful conversation, man. And I think you both lifted up the critical point. This is at its core, the HBCU mission. And so, brother, I am grateful for your time today. I'm grateful for the editorial. You laying that out in the Washington Post or a international audience and calling attention to the HBCU calling for this particular area of educational delivery. And we look forward to having you guys back on with a hotspot down in Oklahoma. We continue to follow up on these conversations. Thank you so much, brother. Thank you so much. What you do for bringing attention to HBCUs. That's indeed. Thank you for your advocacy, man. And a pretty happy Founders Day to both of you Alphas on this call, man. Thank you.


Let's talk about rifles. Hey everyone, Dylan Schumacher, Citadel Defense, and this video is about our Citizen Rifle One course. Couple times a year, I teach a course called Citizen Rifle One, and I wanted to make a quick video to explain what that course is and what it is that we're gonna do at that course. So, Citizen Rifle One is for people who want to learn to use their rifle. That should be fairly obvious.  And one of the things that really makes our Citizen Rifle One course unique, among other courses that I've been to, is the fact that we learned to do that in the context of a buddy team. At the beginning of the course, you're paired up with a buddy, and if you come with a friend, even better, you already have your buddy, and you really learn to shoot, move, and communicate with your buddy during this course. We learn to shoot our rifles in the context of a buddy team, because that's really the fundamental building block for learning to shoot your rifle with a larger team. And hopefully in your life, you have someone who can be your buddy partner or teammate, right? If it's your spouse, if it's your friend, whatever. And hopefully you can both come and take the course together. But if not, at least you're able to learn those basic fundamentals of working with a buddy, and you can take that back home with you, and then you can be a buddy partner to your buddy, and you guys can be more effective together, and you can have some synergy together rather than just being an individual rifleman. I really like the idea of teaching how to shoot the rifle in the context of a buddy team, because if you just learn that way, and you learn how to work with a buddy from the get-go, then it's gonna make other things way, way simpler. I think that part of the problem is that we can develop training scars if we're only ever used to shooting a rifle by ourself. And if we're only ever taught that it's just kind of us in the flat range, everybody's online, and everything's good, and there are good safety controls that have there, right? But my point being that you can get a training scar if you only start thinking about yourself when you're working your rifle. Whereas if you're forced to work in the context of a buddy pair and a buddy team, and how to safely work with your partner to engage threats based on priority, you're gonna learn a lot, lot more. So I really like teaching rifles in the context of a buddy pair. So I would invite you to come on out.  The only requirement for this course, and which is of course a requirement for any gun course you would ever take, is to follow the four rules of gun safety. And if you're gonna follow the four rules of gun safety, then we're gonna have a great time. If you don't know what those are, don't worry, we talk about them at class. If you do know what those are, well, even better. We all just have to actually do them. So I hope that is helpful. I hope that gives you some insight into what Citizen Rifle One is about and how we do things. And I really hope to see you at a Citizen Rifle One course where we can learn to shoot your rifle better together with your buddy. Do brave deeds and endure.


And I'm Money Moser by the way, and we create content every damn day. Check it man, hey man, it's good to have you back up Money Moser, where you been all my life man, the people want to know, yeah, so- At least I been at home my big mama, I ain't gonna hurt her. But hey man, ain't nothing wrong with that, you ain't gonna make me say nothing different man, I appreciate you for being on the show man. I'm always here, in spirit. Say so man, check it man, we got a special guest in here today man, this man right here man, hey man, he from Arkansas man, and you know how to have some people on here from Arkansas man. Two, three. Yeah man, hey man, shout out to that boy Jesse McDonald, the official Jesse McDonald, but check it man, Mr. Young Banks is in the house. What's up with you? What's up man, what's up with you? Hey man, we happy to have you. Thank you so much for this opportunity man, just about to be the first one, I think we're gonna go where we go from here. Oh yeah? Yeah. Say man. God is in control, so what can they stop?  I think I'm the one to do it, I think I'm the one to do it, I think I'm the one to do it. Check it. So coming up as a youngster man in Arkansas man, how did that all start man, let's be real cause we can't be fake. Already, I was officially born in San Diego, right? Okay, you born in San Diego? Yeah, born in San Diego. How old was you when you left? About, I think nine out of ten, something like that, but we always went back and forth to Arkansas cause that's the roots. Are you a parent in the Navy? Nah, he stayed in San Diego some of the time, but my mom, we all from Arkansas, from Arkansas. What part? Pine Bluff. Pine Bluff.  And Pine Bluff, you know how I go down from there, so I was born there, but then I was raised in Arkansas, Pine Bluff. To me, I don't say, I say New Orleans poor, that's when you ain't got nothing. You know what I mean? That's when I say like, if we didn't have the checks, if we didn't have the food stem stuff, we would be New Orleans poor. Oh really? And you call that when you just don't have nothing. Yeah. You being hurt is so. I know from the Louisiana side. Yeah, so he know like, you feel me? So I got to me just grow up in Pine Bluff. It was street. It was drug dealing, same stuff. But I always went my own way though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what we say? We broken houses, all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To eat. It was just my mom until I don't know my posses. I hollered at him when I got, when I was still in prison. Okay. He wasn't with me. So you went to prison. How old was you when you went to prison? I was 29 when I went to prison, the first time with the jail, juvenile. I was 13. Wow. Yeah. So all them events, it just make me better. People look at it as bad, but it ain't. No, no, no, no. It's a way out. I'm glad I wasn't here them seven years in this, what's going on right now.  Yeah. I'm glad I wasn't here. Look at me now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So how old was you? You was 29 when you went? Yeah, I was 29 when I went. Man, you look young as hell, boy. I'm 30. Yeah, I'm 38.  Yeah, everybody's saying that. So was it in Arkansas? No, I did time in Maryland, Cumberland, Maryland, Baltimore. I was around all Baltimore. So me and Tony, two times, if y'all know what y'all know about him, or the Baltimore way, we're going to do a prison interview. Okay.  Even for him, because everybody out of touch, I want to help. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Even with words. How was Maryland? In the prison system during? All right. So, you know, Palm Bluff, I love my country stuff. So even when I see country houses, I smile. So ditches, I smile. But the prison system in Maryland is more like, it's games, you know, it's, I ain't it didn't think about it. I ain't, wasn't in no game. I know how to cut hair, sing, rap and all this. So it was just more like your vibe and your spirit. You know, I'd have been in prison. So I've been in some stuff. Not me. To be in stuff is just because they dope fiends, a lot of dudes in prisons are dope fiends. So they'll do anything to get high. Okay. Stab, kill, go against it. But you know, as the streets, now what I'm seeing down here, that's what it looked like. Okay. This look like prison. You just got easy access to pussy. That's the only difference. You got to watch out. You got to hold your gun.  You see what I'm saying? It's more close range. So now nigga's driving and shooting out. This is prison right now. You see what I'm saying? You can't go with your kid. You and your girl really don't need to drive in the car together.  And you know what I'm saying? Because people don't know what's going on.  And it's just crazy. So now that get mad in the highway. When I got out of prison, little news was going in. What did you go to prison for? I went to prison for first degree assault on white people, second degree assault. When I was in prison, I argued. I see why you like Charleston white. Yeah. Yeah. It clicked now.  I ain't going to fight with you. If you don't like me, I'm going to go somewhere else. That's just it. You know what I'm saying? So you assaulted somebody and it probably was other cases that was, you were already going through a thing and you can relate to that. You know when you're going through some things with like, okay, it don't just start, I just started assaulting white people. Now it was some more things that trick you, like you say you went to TYC or to I went to, what did they call it down to AYC? I went to Texas, I Kansas is a juvenile. Okay. So, man, we posed the way, because me and my homeboys in the hood, they're like, let's rock. You know what I'm saying?  So you know what I'm saying? If it wasn't for me, we would have got more time because I hit the gun. Which I was young. Yeah, we was young, 13. I was in the eighth grade. Yeah. You were just traveling state to state doing crazy stuff? No. Me? No, I was just saying, because remember you said you were in Maryland. Yeah, Maryland. Now I see with me, with prison and trouble, is the devil want me, but he can't get me. So God sit me down for a minute every time. Look at me. Yeah. He said the devil want him, but God sit him down. At least he know it though. He know it. Yeah. So like now I'm moving a little too fast and he telling me like, chill. Yeah. I am. I'm grinding. I wasn't here here. They're doing it by myself. So it's like the spirit is like, yo, chill, chill. So now this week coming up, like I'm chilling. I ain't going nowhere for like three, four days. Wow. Because that's what it's telling. I move with the spirit. Yeah. Even when you dealing with a female, like, all right, listen, when I see you, that means it's going to be the right timing. Everything going to be on point. Young banks. Yeah. Mr. Young Banks. I got to put Mr. because I got older. So I put Mr. Young Banks. Yeah. Mr. Young Banks. I like that. I was going to ask you. I like that. It was Banks. I got the name when I was in the fifth, fourth grade, fourth, fifth grade as a rapper called Ant Banks. Oh, man. Stop playing. From West Coast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my first name Anthony. Yeah. Okay.  So my brother got killed back home at the club at PJ, one of the hottest club was in Pine Bluff. Okay. You know, Tupac got shot there two before. He was like, Ant Banks. I always used to say that. And we just look at it like, well, yeah, Ant Banks. So people just said, Ant Banks, these banks, they just stick to banks. Wow. So then when I got to DC, Maryland, we started our label target squad, which I started TS murderous thugs under that was younger too. But I had a vision. They didn't have. We always had a love for the music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My Indian crew in DC, Maryland, they didn't have a vision. I said, just listen to me. I got you. But God didn't want it. He wanted now because I know the business. I know everything now. I know I don't want to sign a deal with Birdman. I know me and NBA young boy ain't going to sign no deal because the money going to be cool, but I got to take on his beef. I got to do all that. And if you're real, that's what you're going to do. So now you're going to take on a beef of five million dollars that you might not get to spend. It makes no sense. So if I can get with my nigga, watch whoever, we can make 100,000.  That's what we're going to do. I don't need a Bentley.  It's the nigga in the car, not the car. You said something, you know, to be to go through everything that you went through and still to have the positive attitude that you have about God. Yeah, that's my bad. You know what I'm saying? I know already that a lot of people don't know, but when you go through incarceration and you go through different things, man, it's a lot of times, man, that that that, you know, God is holding you in a position where you're in a cocoon to where he's he's preserving you and you got preserved and I can look at you and tell, man. And then you had some time to read. Did you get to read? I don't do no reading. No reading. How did you research for your spirituality? I meditate and listen to God. I daydream about my cars. I daydream about my shoes. I know why you love Charles and White. You and him talking the same old stuff. I mess with them. So you never read any book? No, people used to have me. You write music as you. I saw the music in my head. I ain't got to write that. That's right. I'm going to have you to freestyle. Yeah, you know that. You know that. I said you want to play. Yeah, you hear that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to see. We're going to see. We're going to see. It's in your mind. All that is in your mind. We're going to see the day. I got a list of car. Wild thing cover on my YouTube and I'm from the street. You hear what I just said. It's in your mind. That mean you can come with it, nigga. I'm excited. Let's go. God bless you, man. I'm excited for y'all, too, man. No, man, thank you for coming on the show, man. It's real, brother. I love my people, man. I know you. Just to see you looking like this.  I want to talk more. I want to talk more. I want to talk more. I want to talk more. You already know what's going on. This is on YouTube. Yes, sir. And we're going to do at least a thousand views in a week. Already. They in trouble, nigga. I promise you. Oh, man, the setup is lovely in here, ain't it? Man, it's lovely. This is what it's in. I just love the fact, man, that you learn overcame. Listen, you heard what I just said. You don't overcame, bro. It's it.  I just heard you say, oh, such, such died and such a, such shot out to him. You know, but God has something for you, man. And where you had to touch somebody in this time. Amen. Oh, that's heavy. I'm talking about everybody.  I'm talking about 30 people on there. Nah, it's like, bye, because I'm banking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know who the haters. I know who is who. I know who is what. I mean, talking about real life situation, even when I got out, the devil tried me. And we'll talk about that off camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't for everybody. Already. You feel me? That's like personal family stuff. Yeah, yeah, but it's all right, man. I still prosper and made it through that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm still dealing with, you know what I'm saying? Leave stuff a little bit, but it ain't nothing I'm worried about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?  Oh, you want to take this polygraph tip? Nigga, I did seven years.  Already. What is wrong with y'all? That's what's wrong with it. We get scared. Nigga, lock me up. Yeah. You got to listen. All right, put me over there. Show how I feel.   Put me over there. Mm-hmm. They're going to come to you. What's up with it? Man, listen. Either you're going to give me some time, or you're going to let me go. Yeah. Do you have a lot of riots in there? When you dealing with prison now, gangs on gang is they on gang because they're scared to go to war. When I first came in prison, this is 2012, so I had to do county time then 2013. So I just did the last show with Toxic Crow, DC. Man, I'm doing it.  Yeah, I'm doing all my son. Boom. All right. Ooh, but I'm moving too fast still. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, dang, go. Black kids still like ours. I get in the fight next to me. You know, two days later, up. U.S. Marsh. I'm like, I was like, what do I do? Yeah, you know, you did big deal with guns. I'm like, God, let me use six, eight. You got that gun. Yeah. I ain't money with it. Man, I was like, oh, my God. So the other Virginia police had to tell me, because I'm in Virginia at the studio. Mm-hmm.  I was like, nah, man, either. I said, I know they ain't locked me up by no fight. But this is Townsend, White County, Maryland. See people don't understand. Yeah. A lot of countries don't understand going to East Coast and getting in trouble or anything. Mm-hmm. It could be this small. Mm-hmm. And you like, damn, but I was in Arkansas. They was, you gave me a fine and what? Yeah. No, they give you, they give you a business. So I'm going to be, I got a soft child with no DNA. I got a soft child with no bruise. I got a soft child with no hospital bill. Nothing. It's just, then I got a- Trumped up charges. Yeah, that's why. Even when I get with, with y'all, even with y'all, even if we don't make so much money on my case too, that's why people don't understand. They be lab. I said, man, you don't even understand. Ain't no evidence in my case and my lawyer been disbarred before I got on. Why? So I'm like, okay, give me a second. We're a South time serve. I did four years. So you know what I'm talking about? So I'm off and then I'm like, nah, they all right. I'm like, huh? They ain't got nothing. So we like, oh, the state, I know he got disbarred. Ooh, I was like, all right, all right. I said, so that's the reason overturned.  Yeah. So I said, okay, play the game, but God said, chill. Yeah. You want to go, you know, I got you.  Don't worry about that. But I got a, I got a plan for you. You got a story. You see what I'm saying? Cause we all come from a bottom. We all come from a story. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we just got a.   Was you able to help in those young youngsters coming through there? Oh, let me see how can I say this? Yeah. Cause that's a good question, man. Only way, and I'm telling females, anybody today, you can't help nobody with no money. That's right. You can't help nobody with no care. You can't help not it, but no look.  Don't try. Don't do nothing. I understand that. You cannot imprison. They ain't trying to hit them little niggas trying to get high. Them try to get right. They trying to phone all that. They don't care about that good stuff. Oh man. I come through a conversation every week. Dang. I said God. Everybody that wrote me, everybody sent money with females. No niggas. My brother, which preaching Dallas now, he doing this thing. I want you to do an interview with him too.   But uh, he, uh, he sent me $25 and like, man. You dealing with such a set from where, you know, I'm a country. I'm not like my people from where I'm from. You know, I'd be in DC, Maryland or whatever, but they just, they not Southern. You feel me? That's just what it is. That's just like a female or Southern female. Get a New York. Oh man. You ain't, we ain't on the same page. Like you ain't got that country and you're like, I'm cool. Yeah. Yeah.   That's it. They just go for me and whoever. So, so are you telling me that you really couldn't articulate the formula to help one of those young people or two of those young people or anybody that came in your surroundings? Man, Baltimore.  Yup. You had people that you talked to on a constant basis? Oh yeah. Yeah.  I could promise you. I talked to little Smitty, but he joined the gang when he left me. It don't matter, but you still gave him something. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but see with God, you got a light in you. Yeah, I got a word. That shows people out of darkness. Yeah. Out of dark places. They don't have to just be darkness on the whole, but out of dark places in spots in their life.  You might not even seen it.  I wasn't in the gang. See? So it was always God, like I've been in the bathroom with gang members. Yeah, yeah. I've been punched by it, but I'm so deep with that ain't, I ain't even feel it. Yeah, yeah. And he gave me all he had. Yeah. I really couldn't do none because it's three more. It don't matter what I do, I'm getting jumped. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? It ain't no game and no prison. Yeah.  I used to have niggas on my wife. But I was going through that thing.  Nigga, I'm in here anyway. I ain't got nobody. I ain't going nowhere. Boom. It'll be good in a week, nigga. We're going to, we're going to have to fight. But everybody that don't like me in the world and prison, something happened. Not saying I want something to happen. They got away from me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody had a problem with me on the tail or anybody and you shitting though. But guess who, guess who I'm connected with? God. God in the, in the higher up. Yeah, yeah. Because they see banks in prison. I've been with him for four years. Dang. What you talking about? He do. But you a crackhead. So I know you want some doping. Banks don't ask nobody for nothing. He do his thing. He on the phone.     Yeah. So what you saying? So his respect. They seen that over the time. They seen that in you. And that's what it is. You call them BMs and Baltimore. Yeah. And the Bush members, which you know, BGF is big. Okay. And Baltimore ain't no city to play with. Yeah, I've been up there. Yeah. He know. So that's what why Tony two time want to do a big interview with me too about that. Cause he like, nigga, you from Arkansas and was in DC. And you went to seven years and Baltimore prison. You here? You know what I mean? Yeah. He like, what the? I say, man, God, like you feel me? Yeah. Yeah. I'm always find a way. Heads of protection. Yeah. Not to get in trouble. I'm the nicest, coolest person. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.   It's going to be worth your while. You know what I'm saying? Are we just saying on top?  Most definitely. So do you? So, so how did you process the music while you was in there? Um, I just let little niggas in there. Did you write or you didn't write? You didn't write nothing. No, I ain't write nothing. You just kept it in your mind. The music that I just did, the 80, how many? I got 84 songs on YouTube videos right now in a year, six months. So most of that is new. It's just all spontaneous. I come here and we just think of a hook in the song and we are just doing it. That's what it is. I really can't, I could write, but it's too much sometimes. And then it's like now you got to figure out what you're going to say when you write it. All that. So with the punching now, you could just stop and say, all right, I'm going to go back. And that's what makes it harder. That's why Lil Baby is so hot because he know how to punch better than, and NBA young boy, he know how to punch back and forth. And that's what makes you a hot rapper. I knew that a long time ago when Rick Ross was doing it. Yeah. You feel me? So I went in and uh, and music for me, I did it stop. It kept me through. Like everyone for August, I'll stay in a man. There was a lot of days in prison. My nigga took me through there. Wow.  He knew August Austin. I said, man, nobody. I don't want to listen to nobody. I said, man, right now what I was listening. I'm listening to Kevin Gay. Um, what was it? The blood of mixtape. Um, my cousin CJ tried to hit me with all brick or all joint that I said, man, I'm listening to Meek Mill right now drink. He was hot at the time. You know the two down with 14. You couldn't leave that alone. I'm a nigga. That's why I'm a nigga. I'm listening to, uh, what else? Uh, GZ, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, seen it all and all that. I don't want to hit the dog as I was saying, so I'm telling you. I'm gonna like it. He can sing like you. Man, I'm telling you. I was like, all right. I'm gonna order. So boom. Like in a catalog, I ordered. Best CD I've ever ordered in my life, period to this day. So did you, okay. You like Mode 32. Mode three, my nigga.  You heard that. Yeah. Stop playing. But he didn't hear. I heard it. No. You didn't hear. Yeah. Why? Before he passed my son called limited days. Hard time. I say mode three.  Because when I got on the print. You hear that? What did he say? Before he even died. Yeah. Before. Like a lot of cats got on the bandwagon after he died. See, it's a lot of cats. See, I don't want to hunt it. Mm hmm. All day long. See, be Watts. Shout out to be Watts. Be Watts. Yeah. Yeah. See, he was, he was with mode three and, and, and, and, and DeRoe and him, but I wasn't even following mode three or DeRoe. I was following Watts. See. Cause that's my boy. You know what I'm saying? So when I seen today, like when I, when I think about mode three, I didn't like it at first. And I keep telling people this. Cause the attitude. But no, no, it wasn't the attitude. That really wasn't it. It was just, he wasn't marketable to me at first. I'm a money man. So I'm looking at, okay, he be cutting up, then he jumped on somebody. Yeah. On Facebook. It was all kind of stuff that led me to believe that I could put my money into somebody like a yellow B's and I could make my money. And it wouldn't, you know, and it would be marketable. But the nigga kept coming with so much fire when it came to lyrics that I had to respect. Yeah. I was in the city. You see what I'm saying? I'm just telling you how it went down for me. And I didn't switch up whenever he died. I already had certain feelings about it, but he was hot. Once he made the song like the one with Boosie. I really, the one, what's that one that he made? Everybody ain't friend. Everybody ain't friend. That one right there. I started to see the momentum and the Kevin Gates. I had seen it when he was at the church when he had Rawley in there with him. So I knew he was hot. And you couldn't deny that. But I think the people went berserk after he died. But I can say he deserved it because he was going to do it anyway. Hey, if he wouldn't have died, the city he got right now, it would have been gone. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. We can't just say that. I say that he's got more impact with him there because he put more eyes on it. But listen to me. I'm being real. I was on that city right now. I was talking about him dying and killing everybody. So how wouldn't he be in good right now? I just think the fact that he's, you got to understand man, that he was making certain moves that would have made certain moves that would have made certain things happen in his life if he was here. So we don't know what he would have done with the music that he was making or how much attention he would have paid to it or if he would have made something else. But with him is... You understand where I'm coming from. He could have made something. He's that talented and he worked that hard to where you talking about this album, he could have been talking about two or three other things that maybe even took from that album. Yeah, I did get upset. Did you hear what I just said? I was like, Mo, you ain't got to do them live. You know what I'm saying in this shit? Yeah. Mo, that's what I want the nigga want to see. Exactly.  Yeah, yeah. You know that's how they feel.  Okay, bye. I'm a holler at you. The judge told me one day it was a day you didn't know them or the day she or he didn't know you. Let's go back to that day. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I like that. So, and that was just Johnson, the older judge. Yeah, yeah. I'm like nigga, I ain't one ray like boo boo. But I always got caught but the devil's the devil is trying to. See, you keep saying something. See, you recognize that it was the devil trying to trick you out of your position. And I'm going to be real a lot of times I feel like the Mo threes and people like that and even some of the other guys, man. Oh, he took Mo out. Listen. He tried because God got wanted Mo. Exactly. But I'm just saying it's a lot of people that he trying to trick out of their position and then we recognize him. Yeah, he trying to get me to just like not to bring up. Try boyfriend. You got money.  Yeah. You been having money with your old G's.   Everybody doing it. So abroad ain't even impressed by that. But I think a lot of times people get caught up in these situations. You know what I'm saying? In their environments. You know what I'm saying? You had an environment. You had people that you used to deal with it now. You don't even deal with those same people. No, no. You see what I'm saying?  You can't sit back and say, oh man, he need to do this. He need to do that.  You had to be put in a position of to where you had a hedge of protection. Yeah. It's like Mo or something could have been walking and niggled out of them. Yeah. And then now they just Yeah. Even Mo could have had a chance to get that hedge of protection. Yeah. It would have made at that time the thing that you got then his situation would have been different. But Mo was carried by God. So all them demons around them. When God mess with you, he gonna bring people in your life to put you over here over there.  Wild is a motherfucker, but he over there. Yeah. Because the niggas around don't want to feed their family. And they, you feel me, is they can't. They don't care about them shining. They just care about feeding their family. Niggas like around him want to shine. Yeah. And that's what me and my first label messed up. My DJ, you want to be the artist. Yeah. We can't do that. Yeah. We go to TRR. You want to be on TRR.  You just all, yeah, I got the mixtape in it. I did it with 360.  So you worked with 360 before? I done dealt with 360. Trace on my niggas. So you, he on the pow. Yeah. DJ pow. I'll pow pow. Yeah. The reason why I really deal with a couple of pow, I'll walk in there today. He gonna tell you how long he know me. Yeah. In Baltimore, in Townsend, it was him, them franchise boys. No, this night it was Frank, it was Keisha Cole's franchise boys. I heard that name in a minute.  They were high back then too. What? Yeah.   Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I don't be saying, I guess I'm gonna keep up with him enough, do we have videos, visuals, and stuff that be popping off like that? I'm looking for that. But I get it, you know, you right, he got a name, so he could drop some. Yeah, you can just drop it, and I can feed you. Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm trying to get all my YouTube everything. So if I drop something like, okay, somebody hurting, I can feed them. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't want nobody hurting around me, period. So whatever we can do, we can try to do, they don't know the power in giving. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? You got females that do the asking for money, but she'd like them, but she said, I don't know you, but she had sex with them.  God damn. Yeah, yeah. I give her bomb money. I don't know him. Yeah, yeah. What is you saying? But you expect that nigga to run, if your car break down, you just met him.  Oh, he gonna come fix it and everything.  I ain't just saying that, but I don't expect a nigga, boom, be right there. Yeah, yeah. And then we like that.   Now while I be telling women, listen, you get your nigga and boss up with him and understand see what's going on.   It's real, I mean, I used to gauge it like that.  Okay. You know what I'm sayin'? I'm a grown man.  If you playin' games, I'm movin' on. Yeah, I'm gone. I can't do it. Time is real, real serious, really. People got their own kids and grandkids that they can play with. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Let's get back to the music. So a question, you know, top three artists of all time, man. Top three artists. Yeah, the top three- Dead or Alive. Dead or Alive. Alive, any year, any more. The Bishop of Mr. Maker is not on camera, guys. I don't know what she doin', but she's skippin' in on- She's still on the show, she ain't on camera. Okay, we'll let her be on the show. Okay, but give us top three artists of all time. Number one. Tupac, definitely. There he is right there. Tupac. Number two. Number two. Eminem. Eminem? Wow. That's crazy. Cause I be hard on Eminem. I'm hard on Eminem, but I'll tell you why when we go through it. Who else? Number four. I mean, number three. Last but not least, Money Bag. Money Bag, yo. He the last nigga that's just keepin' it real, man. And to me, I like Money Bag. Yeah, cause Walk Dog is fallin' Money Bag swaps. I see Walk Dog. That boy goin' in. He smart.  We tryin' to take care and have fun. I ain't tryin' care to get it back in blood, bro. I'm good, I love it. I like the song. I wanna know what Eminem, how he get on his list. Cause I be trippin' on that. Because Eminem went into it. Eminem correct. Black. But do you know what you just said? He went into it. Do you know what you said? He went. He was already there. He just had to go down the street to the club. The only thing I'ma tell you. The only thing I can say is, I hear a lot of people, you know. You said I could just see it a while ago and you said Money Bag, yo, and Look Baby. I always have, I listened to Eminem back then, but it's not the same as our people in it. You know what I'm saying? Like I go by the ear and I can't relate to it. Listen, I can't relate to it. I can listen to it. It's a different way to say who your top five and who you're ridin' to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's totally different. Hey, if you love him. I'm not ridin' to Eminem. I never, but I know he a hell more rapper. Did you hear what I just said? Yeah. I get it. But your top three artists, you look at it. But if you want me to take him out. No, I don't want you to take him out. I want you to tell me why. Not if you want me to, I put Gotti there. Yo Gotti there. I love Gotti Cool. I don't like Gotti. I'll stop it. That's personal, man. Yeah. Hey, I understand if somebody treats you to something. No, no, no. He do nothing to me. He did something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He a good dude. Yeah, he a good dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God bless you, God. But he on the wall. But the thing I can say is, man, when I look at Eminem, I think it's just the sound of the music and did I listen to it during the time and I heard him on that with Jay-Z and I get it, but the culture, I guess the difference for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I come for him. He a cool, but you can't do what a brother can do on the mic. You will never be able to top what we do. We made it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's us. You can only rap. And I'm holding on to it because it's ours. So you feel that way about him like I feel about the Beastie Boys. Yeah, same thing. Same thing. But I bet they cool. Yeah, they cool. I'm rocked out. But I just think Eminem can rap. What you think? When you say top, because I can say top. What you think? I think that was my co-host. And Jay-Z, if that's the case. Eminem can give it to me raw. Eminem can rap. Like you just gotta know his culture and how he feeling about, how he rapping about, what he rapping about. Because he can rap about anything and give him a moment. Like it doesn't matter what he rapping about. Yeah, he just saying it. Like, whatever he rapping about, it's gonna be something like, you gonna like, damn, what he saying is he saying that? It's gonna be something good. Every time he speak on it.  I ain't listen to that man like T.D. That's what I'm talking about. Now you see what I'm saying? You're right, you're right about that. I'm gonna stop playing with y'all in here. Okay. Yeah, you remember Stan, nigga. But after that, y'all niggas don't even remember no song. Right. But y'all hear everybody else saying that.    But you can't tell me. When you talk about like top five, like record sales and rapping for real, like he rapped for real and plus did all this money. Well, who didn't rap for real? You know what I'm talking about? We got niggas like Money Bag, yo. We got niggas like Money Man. We got niggas like NBA, young boy. I'm just saying, we got, all I'm saying is, it's hard for me to do this and not be real with my ear. Y'all don't hear me, man. You're, I'm gonna be real with you. I gotta be real with my ear, man. But I get it though. I get it cause a lot of people pick Eminem. Now, but if you were to say, man, who you ride and listen to right now? I'm gonna say Walk Dog, Big Boogie. You feel me, Big Sky.  P's gonna come. It's cool without, if he on top of killing the gun, the sun probably go more. Yeah. You feel me? So Big Walk Dog gonna do his thing because he talking about the street, but he make it sound. He signed 1017, didn't he? Yeah. So bag make it sound good. That's what they wanna hear. Yeah, NBA, young boy went up, but me and the young dudes in prison used to argue about bag and NBA, young boy. But I ain't know what was going on. He said, bang, she been locked up. You don't know what was going on really in the street street.  You feel me? I'm like, man, you know we old man.  But you know what I'm saying? They like, I said, nah, money bag is talking real, but street. So you gotta respect that. I can't bust a nigga.  Bad walk, man. You ride with your girl.   And out in our cute little tuning down the street. So your girl supposed to be, if she riding bumping at with you, she's a lane.  Yeah, yeah. You feel me? Yeah. But money bag, niggas be lying like they raw.  Let me find me a beat, man. Come on, man. And he speaking his life, though. Like he speaking his life. That's what they said, do I like the life? Yeah, yeah, but his life, we like artists because we can relate to the life. Exactly. We did a gon do whatever they saying. Yep. You know what I mean? You don't went crazy over shining. Everybody shining. I don't like all that. So you don't even gotta shine now. All you gotta do is have mom and the belated master money, man, they maintain. I'm trying to tell you. Like I said, you ain't got to leave home. That's crazy for the girls. For you know what I'm saying? Never heard of anybody talking to me like that.   Yes, some type of connection. Yeah, yeah, we can't just be banging like you said. So we got nigga, I don't know. You're saying it cause you got a older. Hold on, hold on. Yeah, you know, I used to bang this way when I was a little boy. Niggas ain't need what? I was just a beef for the new single. I'm trying to see. I'm trying to make it on. I'm trying to get you like that. Let's go. Okay, let's go. All right, I'm okay. If y'all like that, I'm saying every time for the first one. And we ain't, we ain't. We ain't. We ain't. Everybody knows that I'm right. Check it, man. Say, man, I'm over here, man. My boy, man, Mr. Young Banks in the building, man. We got to go in, man. What's up with y'all? This will be a good part of the show. Keep the bag keys locked, man. Come on with me. Ball talk one-on-one. I'm making it move, making it cool. Bang it swing, nigga B coming down.  They say I can sing and rap. Nigga A ain't no salary cap. Yeah, I'm about to put my hood on the map. Nigga whole head, nigga, what you talking back? Come on. Nigga money over hold. Coming down, nigga, with the drip and clothe.  I ain't coming down, man. I'm slipping in doughs. Money over dimes. Money over fine. G-O-D, nigga, rapping his name.  Wrapping dough, nigga, I bow.   I'm a crowd before I walk. I'm a giddy, nigga, hella slow. Million dollar bill, nigga, million dollar deals.   Arkansas, nigga, pine, I blow. P-23, that's where I'm from. We some country mother and we really don't get enough.   I used to game back in the day.  Check it, man, check it, man.  Let's pull him out. He don't pull up. I wasn't done talking. He don't pull up. I'm playing game, man, man. Now you gotta joke with him, man. You don't pull up, now you gotta. Check it, man. Hey, man, hey, man. No, I definitely like that, man, you know. But you say you sing, too. Yeah, we do. Yeah, yeah, see, we gonna put, uh-oh. See, my wife, she like did them song, nigga. She gonna put you on the spot, man. So you did the acapella? To y'all, too. We can do acapella, be whatever. Man, get you a wife. I'm at the 18 years, man, the 19 years. To anybody watching, man.  Every time a nigga bow, it's a woman. Already. Every time a woman know this nigga, that nigga, this nigga, that it's a woman that put it even when you selling dope. That's it. My cousin, my uncle, somebody. Putting him on.  Man, appreciate it, bro.  Appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. So yeah, what's the song, babe? Where we going? You want to, you want to beat? Hold on, I'll get you a, you do it. I mean, we can do something to beat the acapella all day long. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm gonna get this, I got something. And we thank all my subscribers, man, all thousands and some subscribers. And there's almost 2,000, man. I thank y'all for subscribing, man.  Yeah, Boss Talk 101. Boss Talk 101 is in here. Where the Boss is talking. You hear me? Number go. Yeah. Y'all, let me check it out. All right, what song are we gonna give? I'm trying to see if I can find you some of this. Ah, nah, they boys, really. Money Bay. Hey, I'll just say, you can make a good song with Ken and Gage on Money Bay. Yeah, Money Bay and then Gage listed like that.  I see, let me even do my R&B with the street niggas like, cause they like it. They just do it on a low in this. Cause they girls. Check it out. Yeah, yeah. Check it, man. Let's see what we got on this beat. Let's go. Let's take it back for my niggas. I was impressed. I was blown. I ain't smoking nothing, but. Say, man, now the thing is, man, it's just good to see organic talent, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of niggas can't do that, bro. They got to have a machine. Watts got to try to tone the damn music out for them. All this stuff to try to make a damn album. You know what I'm saying? All these niggas mixing and mastering.  What did you say, Watts? They know you got Miller Vanilla in there. You know what Watts said? Look, do what Watts said. You record that on your phone? I said, yeah.  But if you don't tell them, they don't even know.  And he will hold it.  Niggas, you love money more than me.  Already. I can't deal with you. You love money more than me. I'm good.  That's all I want. That's a good nigga around me. If it's gonna be because every dude always cross me, I don't know why I don't do nothing. Because you're a good nigga. Yeah. Because God let them flee them to the land.  You just be happy to see me in there, nigga, I might get you 100,000 dollars.  Yeah, yeah. Just chill. But now I know you itching and catching.  So that's why I said, right now I know my music banging and once it get in the right ears, I already know the people gonna be like, but I'm like, okay, I ain't gonna sign a deal with Birdman.  It feel good, cool, but I know it. I said, I get it off the mud. Birdman called it, this person called it. Get it off the mud. So now I could care about the future, but like you said, money bag, like you said, Kevin Gaze, I love it.  That's why he got videos in the island now. Cause he know what niggas is about and what they doing, it's about the music.  Yeah. That's why my song is called Strapped Up. I created the song for a personal family reason. I wanted to hurt somebody for real. Kids, you feel me that I looked out for, but that's the other way I told, we talk about album. But I did the song Strapped Up, but the meaning in the song, I said, I don't need nobody. I got my own self, bro. Two, two, three is black and blue. We call them mephanins, glock on deck. And you know I'm about to spend the bend. But the key is, I don't need nobody. I got my own self. So if young niggas know that, it'll be less killing and less gangs. Cause they feel like nigga, I don't need nobody. So everybody gonna, it ain't click now. It's like, if I see him, you gotta be with y'all, gotta fight it up, whatever, you know, whatever going on, where they gonna shoot it out the day I don't care what nobody said. Do not try to fight me. That's right. That's right. What you try to do, you're not good, you is.  Listen, run, I had your gun. That's it. Run, I had your gun. That's it. Run, I had your gun. Run, I had your gun. I'm gonna put that on shirt already. How can, how can, how, okay. If you was able to go back and talk to that, I'm gonna say the 18 year old guy. Banks. Yeah, yeah, young banks. What would you say to that young, young banks? To help him to get through to what he's about to face? I never thought I'd go to prison, so that let you know I wouldn't run around doing what I should. I never thought I'd go to jail. It was always females involved in prison. Dudes get involved and I come to say, that's why I stay away from dudes and females around dudes. If you got dudes. What would you tell them? You're telling that. Now, if you got a nigga, if you even talk to your cousin too much, I don't want to talk to you. Okay. Straight up, it's just not cool. You know what I'm saying? So, you would tell him. You would tell that young man? I would tell him. Slow it down. I didn't want to get to know you. That's what I just tell him. You know what I'm saying? That's deep, that's tight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a great voice, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank God. That's a blessing. Yeah, I just, we got to use it. And all my brothers got voices. We just shot the PG movie for Arkansas. Pine Bluff, we just shot the PG movie right now. I'm going to send them all the information on where they going to get it. We got more scenes in August. So if they ain't busy, if Boss Talk ain't busy, they can come out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be on Netflix. Oh, really? I'm going to talk about, we got Slab. They, YouTube took some of my views, but I'm still going to call it. I got 10,000 views on Slab. Already.  You know, that's good for me. I love it. No, no, no. For myself? So how do you feel? Let's talk about that for a second. You know, a lot of people buying views. It's not organic, but they doing it. I can't. I can't buy and I can't promote on my YouTube. Well, how do you make money? I mean promote on my... How do you bring in income from music? Who, me? Yeah. Right now, I bring income from the streets. That's to be real. You feel me? Yeah, because I... And I bring income from my property in Arkansas, too. Okay, okay. So they got the casino down, we from the bills and stuff. I got that, too. It ain't really just the street. I got, you know, stock, low investment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I don't mean to ask you that because I just want to, I just really, really want to key in on the fact of how do we break the algorithm to get money back in your pocket through the music? Yeah. Outside of the sources that people are using because there has to be a way. There gotta be a way. So we gotta talk about it. Yeah, we talking about real estate, or we just talking about music. Just music. I mean, to get back to it, see what's happening is, there's nothing new under the sun, bro. Everything that goes around, come right back around again. Goes up and come down. So now we gotta figure out how to make this algorithm to where, now independent is so strong. How do we make it? Yeah, we do the streaming and all that stuff when it happened. But I want to try to take it back to the street some kind of way so y'all can get recognized. So we gotta sit down and we gotta, oh, see, you know, the thing reason why. I got a cat coming on here called Aldi 300 and that's something that he put in my head the other day. He came at me when he was locked up for 12 years. See what I'm saying? And he'll be on the show. What day is he coming? I don't know, y'all know us boys from prison. Oh, y'all had a lot to think about. We winning. Had a lot of time. We's winning. Brooke, CEO, Lil Rock, that's my Ken Folk, one of my OG from back home. Yeah. They for to come in.  And Lil Rock, Brooke, you know, he got his thing going. I can't even talk about that on camera too. It's okay, it's okay. Because he send me emoji like this. It's okay.  Like, yeah, I do. He's like, you're going to be hard trying to do it. But I said, man, I don't care.  Like the music, I just sit down and I can just ask people, they like, you there for, man, you there for 24, I was doing a video. I was like, yeah, I'm not stopping till it's done. Amen. You know what I mean? Amen. So I enjoy making the music. Yeah. The picture, I just say, hey, come here. Take the picture. A daughter, a goddaughter, him or her. Come here, come on. I'm from to run around. That picture just come out from nothing. That's what's happening. And I just put it together and I just, the gram and from three, I'm over 4,000 followers on Instagram just a year and a half from prison. Yeah. You know what I mean? Big shot to at Tink Walker. You know what I'm saying? Definitely be putting it down. I taught her how to do promotion for myself. So I had 10 of me, we probably had 20,000 subscribers, 100,000 videos going and YouTube is not playing with these niggas about these fake views and stuff no more. They cracking down. Like they'll take, they'll do like, you can go to YouTube and find out everything going on with your, it's a real business. So I know that's the easy way and I just got a thousand subscribers in a year. Yeah. So I said, okay. So we do this even harder and get more people. Look, look how God worked. Like he called me, man, look how God, thanks.  What's up? Yeah, yeah.  I'm gonna head to Houston. He like, man, when he said it again, that's when I know he's serious. If I say he was like, all right, that was when I ain't got nothing. But he like niggas. Better get on this. You better get on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the grace of God and that's how God worked. And that's when you know you own the way to write your music, to write your money, to write. You gotta just wait. I'm glad I waited. I went seven years, I've been nine years now. So he gave me back them seven plus the nine and two mode. Job. Yeah, I like it. I'm Job. Yeah, I like it. I tell people, I say I'm Job, but I'm David when it comes to female in my back. But I'm Job. Yeah, I think that's all of us. These niggas, hey, niggas be lying.  Say man. I'ma tell you something. You ain't love to sing more than a rap, but I do not do that. No, no, no, I love all of it, bro. Say, bro, you're an artist, bro. Yeah, God, I do. But you don't, ain't man, everything. Do it all. Yeah. Most niggas can't. No, I tell the kid, play basketball, baseball, soccer, do everything. They can't do it. I can do it all, man. Bro, but I'm sad. I'm talking about with the music. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to keep doing everything. Yes, yeah, I do everything. Your talent, man, you helping people, you giving people a gift, a vibe. Yeah. Keep doing that, man. It's good, man. We thank you for coming on the show. I think, yeah, he said I'm missing one. What is missing? Put your YouTube name on the back of a shirt. Like if you just land around all day and walking around as well, put it on the back of a shirt. Somebody gonna see it, subscribe. Hustling. That's another way. Okay, so you make the call, get the shirts ordered, and we gonna go. Nah, we make shirts, bro.  Make the shirts and take a bag to hold it and see it. This is what you're holding. Yeah, we got you. We got ain't no problem. Make the shirts. I can do that. Make them, do whatever you want to make them. I'm with it. I'm with it. Just call them, bank, cash, I'm with it. I got you. All right, that sound good. That's what my money go for. You got it. My money go for my music. You got to send me the pictures of what we need on our show. We gonna, every number we change, every number I'm gonna make sure. We gonna lock it in, man. We gotta do drops and everything, man. We love you, brother. Love you too. Mr. Young Bangs, man, we love you. I tell you. If you almost over, right? Yeah. All right, y'all. We pray. I think you already, did you? Yeah, we gonna pray. That's fine. Don't ever tempt me with a good time. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got something to say, cause I like the people like you that come in. He say, do you mind if we pray? Amen, amen. That's the first for that, though, but I'm like. That ain't the first. I didn't start them off. I would get them in a minute, man. I'm talking about him. Oh, for the guests, yeah. I've been through the storm. I've been through the storm. For the person, for the person-wide, like how you carry yourself. That's a good thing. Like that you've grown, and you've been through all the struggle and stuff. Now you've seen your growth thing, you know what's going wrong, what's going right. So I love it about you. Appreciate it. I ain't went without watching you. See, I ain't meet them tonight. So to me, you're still a celebrity to me. I'm gonna keep it ready. Wow. Both of y'all. Thank you. So when I watch you talk, I say, man, that why I say you'll be a dude at school, we kick it. Yeah. Because we on the same heart. I see no trouble in all that. We whatever we get into about, we trying to describe it. Yeah, before it even goes. But then it'll hide. So I just stay away from it. When I pull up in Dallas, and I don't know not being in this hood. What's up? And here it was. What's up? You know what I mean? I ain't to tell, but here's a bank by itself. Yeah, yeah. I pull up in my Mustang, pull up my Honda, but I'm by myself. Because, but I say in the song, the demons, I said, the demons try to get through my soul right beside me, but the niggas can't get through. Wow. You know I'm going up, the king of the bluff. They steady talking down. That's why you put the niggas up. Wow. Good luck. Cause if he tell me that I got one shot, I'm gonna go, ain't going like no ho, any nigga know.  Wow. Every day you'll learn me, that why I try to tell female, just go listen. You not in tune until I'm popping. And I ain't going to want to talk to your deal, which I ain't going to buy no groceries or nothing. I'm telling my cousin, if I get out of jail, they begging me for money because we blessed.   Wow. Nigga, and I'm giving you hot music. I'm giving you a thousand subscribers you could promote. I got 10 views over here, I got 1.3 in two weeks, I'll double cup, I did for us in a little rock. Already. So when I'm telling this raw view, this ain't no paid, no, this is raw. That's why I was so happy about it.  You know what I'm saying? So I'm telling you.  Cuck, play it. Cuck. Cuck. No, you cuck. And I go to your store. You got bag on nothing wrong with it. I was just going to say that, they all were like promoting people that are already hot, instead of pointing people that's not. I hate that. But they want you to support them. You tell nigga, man, you got a show with X, Y, and Z, man. Y'all put it in, y'all follow it. Y'all throw it in, y'all Facebook do it. Okay, okay, never do it. But soon you heard that new Beyoncé song, girl. They always saying, I hate that. You heard how juvenile got on, he said word of mouth. Back then it was okay. He popped up word of mouth. He said that's how I came up back then. That's what I would tell people. If all these phones are still leading out, what can you do? Yeah. What can you do all these phones are gone? Pray. Yeah. Talk to God. Let us talk to God now. You gonna pray or y'all want me to pray? Do your thing. This show just you're the boss. Check it, man. Say, man, God, Heavenly Father, we come to you, God, with bowed heads and humbled hearts. We just ask that you keep continuing to bless us, man. We thank you for Mr. Young Banks, man. We thank you for Money Moses, man. We just appreciate you, God, for this platform. Hey, man, shout out to official Mr. Maker, man. Who've been a pillar in my life. I thank God, man, for, I thank you for just being here with us, God. I thank you for the set. I thank you for the people that came on this platform and it's gonna come on this platform. And we know that you're gonna continue to bless Mr. Young Banks' career, man. Say, hey, God, thank you. You know me. I'm always talking to you, man. Appreciate you for everything you do for me. In Jesus' name, amen. I love the Lord, you're my cry. You feel me? God is good, man. Let me check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. Already.


My name is Anjian, I am Malagasy American and I am working as a volunteer here in the commune of Manjikandjin. I studied international business and development and so the Luaran program was a perfect opportunity for me to reconnect with Madagascar and use my skills to support the community. Together with other volunteers, we are teaching language courses in business management to university students and other community members. My name is Anais, I was born in France to Malagasy parents and now live in Sweden where I specialize in business management and marketing. It was important for me to return to the district from which my mother is from, Manjagadrian, and give back to the community. We were welcomed by our host family, they showed us around and introduced us to the local culture. Returning home to a homemade meal made all the difference, especially during the cold Malagasy winter. We had no expectations or idea of how the project would work out, but we had the ground running, organizing with the mayor and community leaders on how and where we could roll out our project and spreading the word for youth to enroll in our courses. One of the commune's priorities was to teach students and local associations how to start a business. As we taught the course, I realized our success was in exposing our students to a new set of tools and a new mindset. One of the main challenges we faced here was the lack of resources. Here you have to make do with what's available, but if you're resourceful, you can get a lot done. Together with local youth and our students, we took part in volunteer renovation activities in the community. We helped repaint the market, which was a fun way to engage with youth associations. The young people we met had left Manjaka Drian to go to the capital, but now come back regularly to give back to their community. Engaging with the local volunteer youth reinforced my belief that as a DS4 member, it is also my responsibility to stay connected to where I came from, and that by simply taking the time to work together on a common goal, we can have an impact on a whole town. We may only be nine volunteers in the Lohalan program. We alone will not change the country, but by working together, we have motivated one another to continue growing and to give back each one of us as best we can.