From London, England, it's theCUBE. Covering Discover 2016 London. Brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Now, here's your host, Dave Vellante and Paul Gillis. We're back to wrap Paul Gillin and I. Gonna put a bow on Discover 2016. We're here at the dock lens in London. If you've never been to Excel London, it's a huge facility. Number of conferences are here, train station right there, of course, giant docks and huge moat river, whatever. It's actually technically not the Thames, I don't think it's a tributary, but nonetheless it's a pretty impressive place and somewhat remote from London. Yeah, not a lot of distractions around here, from the conference. A lot of the action at night is in London Center, but let's try to summarize what we've learned this week. Several things happening. So let's go back to HPE's decision or Hewlett Packard's decision to split into two Fortune 50 companies. They've done that and then HPE was perceived to be the growth company. I put growth in quotes because it's slow growth, but it was the growth company, whereas HPE, Inc. was the cash flow company, largely from Inc., pun intended. And so HPE, as that new entity decided, okay, we got to clean up the balance sheet, subsequently it made the acquisition of Aruba and it made another small acquisition of SGI, but it began to delever. It sold off its Chinese operation, now it's a joint venture. It's announced that it's going to spin in EDS into CSC and maintain a large proportion of the ownership, at least HPE sharehold as well. It's announced it's going to sell its large portions of its software group to Micro Focus, an England, UK-based company. And what's left is largely an infrastructure company, a pure play hardware player, Antonio Neary bristled at that and said, no, no, we've got services as well. We asked the question several times to several people here, are you a services company or are you a product company? The answer is mixed. Services guys say, oh yeah, we're services led, product people always say we're product led. The diplomatic answer is, well, we're both. We're a technology company. Interestingly, years and years and years of asking this question of Joe Tucci and Howard Elias who runs services at EMC, the answer was always, always, always, we are a product company. And they sent that message because they wanted to convey to their partners that they are product first, they have services and by the way, a very successful services business as does HPE, but they always positioned it as a product and technology company first. Personally, I see HPE as a product and technology company, not as a services play. I see Accenture and Deloitte and Ernie Young and PWC as what I would consider real and even IBM to a great extent as services companies. I see HPE as a product and technology company. What do you think? I agree with you, but I think part of that may be just our own perception because this is a legacy of HPE is they build great products. You know, they've been doing that for 50 years. Right. They have, first of all, I think it's kind of an academic discussion. I mean, the point is, if they're delivering something that customers want, then who cares how they define themselves? Here's why I don't think it's academic. When Lou Gerstner, and maybe, I don't know, maybe it is academic, but when Lou Gerstner made the decision that we're going to go all in on services, many of us made the contention that that is going to be the death knell of Best of Bede products at IBM and I would argue that it was. Other than the mainframe and the think pad, you couldn't really come up with any products where IBM was a true leader. DB2 lost to Oracle, the storage group lost to EMC. I mean, in many, many, many examples.  Now having said that, that was when the industry was very fractured and structured and competition occurred on the lines of Intel and Cisco and Microsoft and apps, et cetera. And so maybe with the world reintegrating in the cloud services and moving up stack and all that stuff, maybe it's better to position as a service company and maybe it doesn't matter. I mean, it certainly hasn't heard IBM long term. And so perhaps it is academic, but it's to me, it's something to watch. Question, do you have to have Best of Bede products in, you know, for the next decade or it is good enough, good enough? Well, I mean, there was, most of the talk here was about products. We did have some people on the cube talking about services, but when you think of the themes that in my perception dominated the show, it was composable infrastructure, it was IoT, it was Aruba, it was, and then the subcurrent, this whole thing really kicked it off, was the machine, this technology that can really upend this industry in a big way. So what I took away from, frankly, I came into this conference pretty skeptical about HPE, thinking this is a company that's, they're managing their assets, it's a slow growth thing, it's, you know, it is just not much exciting going on there. I heard a lot of interesting technology coming out of this company. Now whether they are able to turn that into a coherent vision that the customers understand that the market responds to, of course we won't know, but the feedback we had here today on the cube talking to the bloggers, talking to the analysts, very positive, they got it, they came away with a clear message about what HPE is doing on the technology front. Yeah, I think, again, back to my products versus services, I think HPE has to be a best-of-breed products company because when you go all in on infrastructure, you better be investing in that and be able to defend that we have the best Widget X product and we can beat Dell because of this and we can beat Lenovo because of that. Give me an example, I mean, I'm sorry we didn't get the edge line until the very end but edge line, that's a really cool idea. The idea of these small intelligent endpoint devices that have sensors, they have controls built in, sensors built in, that's, I've never seen anything quite like it. And so, you know, it's funny, we were talking to Peter Burris the other day and he's like, look, the problem with this industry is everybody looks at things through a product prism. That's what we'll understand. We can seize it for us to make comparisons. I think it's feeling as we should be focused more on the business impact. Well, I wouldn't disagree with that. That's kind of how people think, you know, they put things next to each other and try to do comparisons. And so, again, my point being, to me, HPE is lining up against Dell as a major competitor to be an arms dealer to the cloud and the cloud, however you want to define the cloud, public cloud, private cloud, they're not going to sell a ton of stuff to Amazon and Google and Facebook and maybe Microsoft, but generally speaking. It could be private cloud, I think it was clear. It could be private cloud. It's how private cloud is. It's how GFV said as much, right? He said, well, the public cloud guys are just going to buy a white box. Well, right. And the zillion, right, clouds. Now, HPE and Dell both compete with the ODMs. ODMs are now up to 25% of the, I think the units. So it's becoming a sizable component. But I guess my argument would be, I know Dell EMC, they're a product focused company and they're going to go hard at their customers with we got the best product because we look at all the features we have. They don't have this, we have that. And so I think HPE rightly, when we talk to their product people, is saying, hey, we are different because we have fluid infrastructure. We have this capability. We're developing technologies out of the machine, et cetera, et cetera. So I think it's an important part of the marketing message. It's a much cleaner. I completely agree, by the way. I mean, when you look at who is successful in the computer industry, it's the companies with products. And that's what companies sell, products. Don't make, you don't get rich selling solutions. And even what we're seeing from AWS, okay, their services, but their products, right? We got Kinesis for streaming. We got S3 for objecting, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, and so, but we're seeing a much cleaner, a much more streamlined Hewlett Packard enterprise. The decision to basically, well, long ago, get out of the public cloud, okay? To me, that was a fateful decision in that it decided the future fate of HP as what I call an arms dealer for the cloud. They don't have a public cloud play other than to partner. So smart, let's make money partnering with Azure in particular. I mean, I see that as obviously their premier partner. Yeah, we could do Amazon, we could do Google, if that's what the customer wants. No one wants to partner with Amazon. Amazon is, like I say, but to me, again, it's a one-way street into the cloud. The Azure strategy, I think is a good one. And I think it's a winning one. And I think it will pressure Amazon. I think that is the Achilles heel, really, of Amazon. And I think there's sensitivity there. So I like that strategy. Moving the software business to micro-focus, despite the fact that they're going to be a partner and they're still going to have a large ownership. I don't think they're going to be reporting that income on the HPE income statement. I don't believe so. I don't believe so because, yeah, because HPE itself doesn't own. HPE shareholders own 51%, but not HPE itself. So as a result, it's not going to have a positive, it's not going to be a tailwind for margins and operating profit. As a result of all this, HPE becomes a lower margin player. Like Dell and EMC, once you bring those two together and you cut those costs, which Dell is clearly doing. As a result, you've got a business model that has to make money.  If they focus more on profit than growth, they didn't grow, they have to balance profit and growth. The point is, and we've talked about this, AWS had 31, 32% operating profit last quarter. It's fluctuated between 25 and 32 over the last year or so. This is the company that supposedly is the race to zero company. And it's got, you know, EMC just for reference before it went private, operating profits in the mid-teens. Maybe as high as 17%. So you're talking double the operating profit to the company that is supposedly bombing the market. Now, everybody points out, and I wanted to bring this up, we talked about it to the bloggers, the cost of private cloud is oftentimes cheaper than public cloud, the price, let's say, the TCO. But let's not confuse cost or price with cost. My argument has consistently been the low cost supplier is going to win. And usually does in this business. And Amazon, in my view, is the low cost supplier. I don't see how companies like Dell and EMC and Hewlett Packard Enterprise and maybe even Lenovo for that matter, then China Inc. can compete on a cost basis with AWS because when you add in all the services and the deployment factors, Amazon to me is more efficient at volume. We'll see. We'll see if they can take out the cost. They aren't trying. I mean, Google is the only one who is trying to compete on cost with Amazon. The other guys are all in flanking strategy. Well, no, I think Microsoft, from a cost standpoint, Azure Cloud is true hyperscale. And look at this three true hyperscale companies in the United States. You can maybe put Alibaba in there. Maybe there's a company, maybe there's a company in Japan as well, but really it's those big three that have the volume. So my point is you either have to have to be a public cloud player. So I'm not saying it was a mistake for HPE to get out of the public cloud because you either have to have massive volume or you have to have upstack differentiation like Oracle has or like the SaaS players have. The SaaS players can very effectively compete against the Amazon. And HPE getting out of the public cloud business may have been the happiest accident the company ever had. I mean, they certainly didn't set out to do that, but having made their decision to abandon it, they have hatched this whole partnership strategy, which is very interesting if they can pull it off. If they really can partner on an equal basis, with all of these different companies and they really can create all these win-wins, a lot of companies who don't want to do business with systems vendors like Oracle or even IBM because they're afraid they're going to end up being lunch. Well, and I will come back to that in the strategy of choice and I think that's a winning strategy. It's just a lower margin strategy. I failed to mention IBM is another example of a company who's betting on analytics and Watson and their cloud play is really their software. So again, you've got to have that kind of differentiation. If you're HPE, if you're Dell EMC, you got to have low cost, you got to be able to replicate the public cloud wherever's possible. You got to, the tagline of make hybrid IT simple, it's a good North Star. And hybrid IT ain't simple today. First of all, most organizations aren't doing the way we would define hybrid IT seamless application and data movement between on-prem and public cloud. That's non-trivial. And the partnership with Microsoft, which is a long standing over 20 year partnership with Microsoft may turn out really to be their whole card there. I mean, those companies know each other intrinsically. They trust each other. And Microsoft has vested interest in making private clouds successful. So does HPE. Yeah, and Microsoft obviously has a large estate there, but even the gentleman from Microsoft, I think admitted this is early days for us. I mean, the functionality of, we talked about same-same. Oracle claims same-same, it's all there today. It's all working perfectly. That's what Oracle's always done. We know that's not true. But the strategy to me of Microsoft and Oracle is quite similar with the exception. There are a lot of differences. There are a lot of similarities in terms of, we want the same on-prem versus public cloud sort of stack. The big difference is Microsoft is doing it with partners. Oracle is going to building its own proprietary stack. So this comes back to HPE. The new HPE must have a really robust partnering strategy. That's why it's putting so much emphasis on that. And it can get leveraged from partners, but it's got to get volume. And IoT is where it gets that volume. So that is kind of the... It's a big question mark. Yeah, and certainly they're not the only company that's betting a lot on IoT. Cisco has big investments in IoT as well. As I said earlier, the edge line is a very interesting dimension of that that I haven't seen elsewhere. And no one really knows how big that market is going to be. We hear about the economic disruption will be massive, but how much money is going to be in it for system vendors? Yeah, so again, big picture strategy, HPE's board has decided, we're going to go it focused on infrastructure. I don't know if there's a big move that it can make, maybe. Who would you buy? Well, the rumor was that we're going to mind the TANIX. That's too late. GE, I mean, well... Emerging with GE would be really interesting. Well, maybe, but GE's trying to become a software company, right? I'm not sure GE wants to be in the low margin infrastructure business. The, I want to come back to one thing. The cloud piece, you know, and seeing Staccato and OpenStack Distro go to SUSE, again, a cost-cutting move, the last remnants of HPE cloud, HPE's cloud group was folded in. I was always, and Vertica is now going, I was always hopeful that when HPE bought Vertica, it was going to do an IBM-like analytics play on their cloud. And I think that could have been a winning strategy. I was excited about HPE trying to get its software act together. It never could find that formula. And I think that, you know, they just got worn down and internally said, you know what? We got to get rid of that business and we got to focus. So, in effect, I think it's the right call because slogging it out was not working. I think it is the right call. I mean, they were not going to win that battle. And so many computer companies have gone down the drain fighting a battle that they couldn't possibly win. And give it credit to HPE. They have gotten rid, they've gotten out of businesses, profitable businesses, where they were never going to be number one. And it's tough to do that, but it requires discipline. Well, they could have run it as one big portfolio company and leverage their supply chain. And that, again, quite uninteresting. And I give HPE's board credit because they're saying, okay, let's go for it as an infrastructure company and let's go after the third pillar of IoT and let's try to grow this thing. The other key move is Hewlett Packard Labs being integrated into the enterprise group. That is a clear move. We heard it from Antonio Neary to really try to get more productivity out of HP Labs to drive product through the pipeline into the marketplace. We haven't seen enough of that. Store wants is sort of their example and their deduplication and their other examples, but not enough. Not enough productivity out of your R&D. I mean, as a result, acquisitions are much better use of cash than R&D. Well, I think the question around the machine I have is, they've obviously got some great technology here. Is this going to become a breakout? Is this going to break them out of the pack? Or is this going to become like IBM Power? Is it going to become this sort of not very big, not very big revenue base ecosystem, but it's not really moving the market very much. And that's going to be up to their execution. Yeah, well, I think the strategy of trickling out bits and pieces of technology into their portfolio, parts of their portfolio that they control is the right thing to do. And frankly, it's the only thing to do. A big bang of a machine with a price on it has just never made much sense to us. We saw some coverage this week speculating that this was a disappointment, that the announcement of the machine was disappointment. I just don't see it that way. I agree. There was a proof of the concept, and this is technology you'll be rolling out for years. No, I looked at it as, this is a pragmatic way to get something to the market. Okay, it's not. What a stake in the ground. Yeah, and it's not going to overnight change anything, but it could give HP some sustainable competitive advantages in the server business, which they've dominated for years. So server storage, the storage business, we'll see. Well, it's interesting that they've now reorganized under the server head, a former server head in Alain Andreoli. We'll see what that means for the storage divisions. Can they kill, still continue to get more out of three par? On the networking side, to me, it's an Aruba play. Gives them a significantly better story against Cisco than 3Com gave them, which was, hey, we got a nice second source to Cisco. Now they've got the whole wireless first approach, which I think is quite solid. And of course, again, IoT. We talked a lot to a number of folks talking about IoT. Big unknown, big potential growth area. I think it's about it. Missing anything? What more can you say? So the new HPE focused on infrastructure, smaller company, we'll see in the financials, we still expect good cash flow, maybe not quite as good as these other assets were profitable. But I think if Meg Whitman has proven anything, it's that she is a good financial manager. Right, I agree. She's a tight ship. Okay, we're here, it's warming up in London. It's at 46 degrees outside, and that's a wrap, Paul. It's a pleasure working with you. Thanks very much for hanging with us, and thanks very much for the crew here. Really appreciate all the awesome attention, great production here. Thanks to HPE for having us at this great venue. Kristen Nicole and company and the live bloggers, Bert, appreciate all your help. We're going to pick it up. If you go to SiliconANGLE TV, we got Reinvent, going live, John Furrier and Stu Miniman and Jeff Frick and all the crew out there are going to be covering Reinvent today. Go to SiliconANGLE.com, you'll see all the videos and the news of the day from this event and other events. Go to Wikibon.com for all the research. Thanks for watching everybody. We're out from HPE Discover London 2016. This is theCUBE.


Who is this weird guy? So I am DEF CON's official cryptographer and puzzle master. I created the hardware hacking village. I've been doing puzzles, mystery challenge, that kind of thing for many, many years. 1057 is a derivative of the term lost boy, which was boiled down to lost and then to 1057, which is in fact a palindrome in binary. And consequently was the solution to the very first mystery challenge. So that's who I am. So this is my lovely wife who is up in the front row here. And the reason I put her on here is she is a very much behind the scenes person. She is very much involved in the cryptography and art of DEF CON as well, but doesn't like any accolades. So I put her picture up there. And yes, that is a doctor who suit on the left and Amy pond cosplaying on the right.  I already had you raise your hands. First DEF CON.  I probably wouldn't have stayed out otherwise. I'm not a Vegas person myself. So for 101, which is what this is, the 101 track, it's generally for noobs. Not necessarily to any particular subject area, but to DEF CON. So this is not going to be a giant enlightening talk for those who are technically savvy. What this is generally when I give a presentation at 101, it's kind of my ranting through from things that happen throughout the year. I often share what type of research I've been doing throughout the year, how I come up with some of the craziness that I do with the puzzle challenges. How many of you have noticed, by the way, there are a few odd things about the record around your neck? Yeah? Okay. You can make noise, by the way. I like it when you guys make noise. Thank you. And I was talking with somebody earlier about you can tell the generation of somebody by how they hold a record. Like, this equals like born circa 1980s and earlier, this equals born 90s and later, by the way, they hold the record. Oh, and by the way, those clips, we put the 3D printer file on the conference CD, so you already have that. So if you wanted to print a clip to there. So the reason I put this slide on here is this, for those of you, how many of you know who Matt Blazes? Okay, if you're in this community, you don't know who Matt Blazes is looking at. He's one of my heroes. But anyway, he was in my hotel room the other night and we were having a discussion about when he was speaking. I think it was an RSA. He hates giving slides because he thinks they distract from what the talk should be. So I don't want to insult everyone's intelligence and read slides. So these are basically general guidelines for me to guide me through talking with you guys. But I want this to be more of a discussion. I want you to yell stuff out. I want you to question things. I want you to ask questions. I want to talk about what you want to hear about. That's what 101 is for. So don't be shy. My daughter says don't be shy. So a quick shout out to the tribe 949303 APG and a couple others. I've got to give props for props or do. Everyone should do that. And disclaimers. What I won't do. I'm not going to sit up here and read slides to you. I will not advocate criminal activity and there's an asterisk for a reason. You can determine what that good. You can probably figure out what that asterisk is for later. So how many of you noticed a certain folder on my desktop when I came in here? How many of you want me to open that folder? For real. Let's take a vote. How many want to see that folder open that was on my desktop? What's it called? What was the folder? All right. You asked for it. Remember you asked for this. Oh. Oh. Dang.   How many of you are going to now look at the weird ass name of this talk and read just the first letter of each word that's there? Now, I have a bit of a confession.  So get over yourself.  You need to get over yourself. Be approachable because we have to band together. I made a waste in our comment earlier. How many of you know what waste in our is when I talk about that? Okay.  Go look it up. So what, look it up. Basically it's talking about legislating what types of security research are legal and not legal. So that's what I talk about banding together. So the big joke, haha, everyone came to DEF CON this year. Now you all have a record. So, haha, I see what you did there. So back to the name of the talk. So I never tidal this talk. The person who put one-on-one together is a hacker who calls himself high whiz. If you see him at the conference shake his hand and thank him for putting this together. He started it a while ago and it was always just a bunch of us giving like impromptu talks the Thursday before CON actually officially starts because usually reg takes a lot longer. How many of you have been through the hellacious red line? Not this year but in years past that took like hours and hours. How many have had a red line that took longer than four hours? Five hours? Six hours? Seven hours? So some people have had the red line literally take seven hours in the past. So how was it this year? Good?  I hope it did. Same thing with the swag, right? Shag was okay? Or was it awful? Tell the truth. Better than last year. So anyway, for those of you who are familiar with the contests and puzzles that I do, there are teams working already on the crypto challenge and some of the people that come to DEFCON come solely to compete in those challenges and it takes up their entire con time. It takes me as much time as they invest. It takes me almost an entire year to put everything together that I do. So I'm always really busy. So when highway decided he was going to do DEFCON 101, he would always bug me for slides and a talk title. And I kept putting him off and putting him off because I was busy doing other stuff like crypto for the badge, for the lanyards and everything else. And so he would start making a talk title. So that title for this time is also now kind of a tradition. Highways came up with that. And so that was kind of Rick Rowling, both me and you guys. So I'm the brunt of that joke as well as you guys. So anyway, this is, how many of you seen Spinal Tap? I mean, get the reference when I say we're going to have a free form jazz, turn it up to 11.   That's kind of what this 101 talk is. No, I'm kidding. Not really. The point being, I want to talk about what you guys want to talk about. That's why I'm encouraging you to make more noise and trying to loosen you up. Especially if this is your first DEFCON. DEFCON is not like other conferences you've been to. I would encourage you when you go to presentations, if somebody is saying something that doesn't sound right to you, challenge the speaker. Challenge me. Love it. I love to have intellectual discussion. That's how we're going to get better with the stuff that we're doing. But that's the whole point of a conference like this.  We try to make sure that that doesn't happen every now and then something slips through.  That's how we're going to get better. I've done it. I did it. How many of you seen my 101 spiel before? Be honest. So I apologize for the parts that I'm going to repeat and there's a reason I'm repeating them which I will talk about in a second. So one of my pet peeves is because of all of the puzzles and crypto and mysterious things that I do, I'm often accused of thinking outside the box. Most of the time when I talk to reporters and other people, they're like, oh, you're creative. So you think outside the box. It's one of my greatest pet peeves right now that people bring up thinking outside the box because of where the term comes from. How many of you know where the term thinking outside the box comes from? It comes from this nine dot problem. You've all heard the nine dot problem. Connect all the dots. Don't lift your pen from the paper. Oh, and by the way, if this is not your cup of tea for this presentation, feel free to leave. And I will not be offended for real. So like if you're like, this guy is just going to get up here and rant, I will talk about some technical issues but it is 101. So it is what it is. If you want to leave and go to somewhere else, go ahead like some people just did. So the nine dot problem, you're often presented with, connect all the dots as few lines as possible. Can't lift the pen from the paper or you have a limit, et cetera, et cetera. And of course everyone knows the standard solutions are, you have to extend the lines past the distance of the mentally imposed box.  And especially with us being hackers who are trying to come up with interesting solutions to problems, people often think, oh, as a hacker you have to think outside the box because you have to come up with some creative method to solve a problem or abuse a system that somebody else hasn't thought of. And there's actually been a study and by the way there's another solution. So there's an unexamined assumption that basically says all I have to do to make people solve that nine dot problem is tell them that they are mentally constraining themselves by drawing within the constraints of that imaginary box. And there's actually been studies that have shown that that's not true. There have been studies that have found that even with telling people ahead of time, you cannot, you have to draw outside of this imposed space in order to solve this problem. The same percentage of people still could not solve that particular puzzle. And so the ones that could do it could do it anyway and the ones that couldn't, it didn't help. The only thing that they found that helped was quote unquote study of the problem. Now the reason I bring this up is we've got a young generation. How many of you guys are in high school right now? Anyone? How many of you are in college? College students. How many of you have refreshed out of school that are here? How many of you are looking for jobs? No, I'm serious. It's a great place to get recruited. How many out there are looking to hire somebody? Wow. So let's do that one more time. How many looking for jobs? Raise your hands. The other people look around. How many are looking to hire someone? Did everybody see that? Okay. Just trying to help. You're welcome. Thank you. So the reason I bring that up is we have a generation of want to be hackers that don't want to do the intellectual work or exercise to get good in a problem space. They want it to come very easily. The ah-ha epiphanal moments will come through not thinking outside the box, but through a deep fundamental knowledge of the problem space that you're working in, exposure to. And the reason I bring that up is I used to teach at a university and I would have students that would come up and ask me does it such and such work or how do I do such and such. And I would always ask them first, have you tried what you're asking me? Have you tested it? And I'm afraid that we're getting a generation of students coming out and hackers, whether you've been in school or not, that don't tinker anymore. And look at the ways in our thing. We're going to make things illegal so you can't study those things. And we're going to put constraints on people that if you do the stuff that I used to do as a kid, exploring all these different systems, you're going to go to jail, you're going to get arrested, you're not going to be able to get a job. And so we're terrifying this younger, we're scaring this younger generation to where they're not tinkering anymore. So we have to break that or we're not going to have those epiphanial moments or we're not going to have the genius breakthrough things that are going to help us move forward and make the world better. And I have a brand new baby daughter who's in the front row right now who I want to have a better world and I want her to have a safe and free internet. I want her to be able to do and explore like I used to and not go to jail for it, not get a record for it. But anyway, that's my soapbox for that. Thoughts? Bullshit, would you agree with me? You argue with me? Yeah. That's a very good point. And the puzzles that I make, by the way, you'll see the word mystery used a lot in the stuff that I do. I have to Google proof everything that I do.  And I have to insulate my stuff against that. But you are correct. That goes back to the instant gratification and getting that knowledge means you don't do that leg work that gives you that base foundation, that gives you the ability to have those epiphanal moments to have these great breakthroughs so you can say, aha, and invent the next great thing. I agree completely. When I did the very first mystery challenge, I was afraid there is no more magic in the world. And literally magic like Siegfried and Roy or Penn and Teller because as a kid, when I would see magic tricks, I used to enjoy trying to figure out how they were done.  And so the magic is ruined because they have instant gratification of a solution to thinking about that problem space. So that's why I do the stuff that I do. How many of you have looked at the code on your land you're already? Yeah? So that code is deliberately deceptive. It looks very simple and it looks like hey it might be this and it might even have a red herring path that will take you down that direction. But I will tell you it is not simple. I will also tell you that everything else that I do that you see in my puzzles and my challenges require you to talk to other people. They require you to have communication with others. Because if you look at where a lot of our great tech came from, it came from places like Bell Labs which doesn't exist anymore. How many of you know what I mean when I sell it? So because of the way the financial world works these days and corporations work, we don't have something great like Bell Labs. It's not like we used to. Because nobody wants to foot the bill for it. So in places like Bell Labs, you had a giant group of people that had a depth of knowledge in different subject areas but they all had direct access to each other very quickly. You have that because of Bell Labs. Now if we don't have a Bell Labs anymore, where is the next great thing to do?  How are you going to use a language that everything is an object? I totally disagree with that way of teaching things. And then you have to think to yourself, well, then why do we start with Java? Because we're trying to spit out clones that can go work at some meat factory as far as coding is concerned to spit out code for some giant conglomeration. And you're not going to get innovation that way. It's not going to happen. Talk to me. Talk to me. I don't know that I agree conceptually, but it's a good point. And by the way, I don't know if you were intentionally making fun of the Bucker-Banzai reference, we're talking about solids. Anyway, sorry. Everything I do is deliberate. I love the way you're thinking. I would love to have a discussion with you about that. Go ahead. If I could interrupt on one point. I was in a school where Java was my first language that I was taught. And a deep... He said that we have an intuitive understanding of objects.  Yeah.  I grew up with computers since I was in elementary school. And I was doing random stuff. Deep understanding of objects when I took Java in school coming out of high school, I was a group of people all about the same type of nerd as me. Our minds were melted by what objects were when we had been scripting our entire high school career. And it took about five weeks of doing these labs and everything for us to finally have that epiphany of objects. Even though we knew all the scripting languages. Thank you for that comment. Sounds like we need to get together I want to continue the conversation.  Come over and talk to me. Everybody turn and say hi to Russ. Russ is the guy in the black hat right here. Russ is actually in charge of DEF CON operations. He's the one you can throw things at when things don't go right. That's probably not a good thing to ask me because of what my background is. I have mixed feelings. Or assembly. So if you take for example a deep understanding, in fact I'm going to talk about that in a minute, those of you who've been to my one-on-one talks you'll know. I do kind of a little list of skills that I think everyone that is considering themselves a hacker, a basic list of reference skills that everyone should have. And you would be amazed at some people who are freaking elite coders in certain things that don't have a background. But in fact when I get to that point I'll explain to you why I think assembly is important. It has to do with abstraction because ultimately what are you doing?  And if you don't understand what's going on under the hood you're not going to code in certain ways. And I believe that if you teach people how that engine actually works. Maybe not to the nitty gritty to where they're going to go be a designer and make a freaking processor from that. How many people today go in and sit down at their computer and don't have that fundamental knot? Not at the deep level but just a general explanation. Like could you explain to a four-year-old or a five-year-old in general terms how that abstraction works? I have literally a wire and a cutter and a hat. And I can make that a knot gate or turn it off a switch. Because everyone goes oh I know that computers use binary. They use ones and zeros. How many of you all heard people that say I must be very educated because I know computers use binary. And I go okay what does that mean? And they don't understand fundamentally what it means. They're just regurgitating. But anyway back to what I was good at and I like this. So at this point I was going to talk a little bit about the life of the DAT file as far as AV is concerned. Yay or nay? Thumbs up, thumbs down. Nay? I got no. And I comment. Just shout it out. Sure. And I can also play devil's advocate and say because I have instant gratification to knowledge I'm going to learn quicker and grow faster. And to a point that is true. For example but what you need to do is you need to learn to use the tool properly. And we as hackers need to learn to use those tools in such a way that still give the benefit of the deep knowledge and understanding but still take advantage of the fact that it's for example I study a lot of foreign languages. Looking things up in a Chinese dictionary is more time consuming than me taking my finger and drawing it out or using text identification but I can still use the tool in a way that doesn't shortcut that process where I have just no understanding. It's just a black box function which goes back to the discussion of Java and objects which is the whole point of object oriented programming in the first place is to abstract. Right? Right. Anyway, so you guys don't want to hear about DAT files. That's full. So let's slip past those. Basically I was going to talk about how DAT files are created. Sorry. Maybe a little more if you're there. So I'll talk a little bit about what I was interested in. Ryan's really funny. So some of the things I'm interested in. I'm interested in classifications of things in the language study. By the way, my personal technical philosophy is that all forms of tech are learning communication. Whether I'm learning to speak in language to another person or speak to a processor or speak to a compiler and learning that syntax, I believe mathematics is the language of science and physics. So I'm all about going to the root of whatever that subject area is and if you're going to learn the romance language, have some knowledge of Latin, for example. But anyway, we don't want to talk about that. So, yeah. I'm pausing just long enough for you to read the slides. For the few that we're interested in hearing about how to break AV engines. So, Chipsack, how many of you know what movie this picture is from? Barry Gordy's Last Dragon. So in that movie, he's trying to seek out this magical power called the glow. And it's kind of like Dorothy Slippers. You've had it all the time, Dorothy. I have been preaching to the hacker community, you all need to learn and play with a tool called Chipsack. And now I have surreptitiously given it to all of you because it is on the conference CD for DEF CON this year. So you're welcome. I saved you the trouble of going to go download it. Go play with it. If you don't know what it is, how many of you know what it is? So Chipsack is basically a framework. And by the way, the authors of this are here at DEF CON. And everyone always asks me, in my opinion, who should I go hear talk? If you want to have your mind blown, go see Yuri's talk. And I can't remember what the title of this talk is. Look through the program, you'll find it. He's genius. Complete genius. He's the one who created Chipsack. Go read about what that is. And the reason I bring this up is that it's not just about communication, whether to fix it or to break it. If you look at the evolution of how we are doing attacks and intrusions and red team pentesting and everything else, we are slowly moving down a step, right? First we were using stuff in the software. Then we were going down to OS, the network. Now we're kind of getting a little lower. Now you're starting to hear about biases and you're starting to hear about stuff. And so we are constantly moving that shift is happening. And Chipsack takes you a little bit lower to processors. And the reason it's very much applicable, especially this day and age, is it's also applicable against hypervisors.  This is 101.  I really, like for example, a lot of people didn't know what that was. So in dealing with virtualization, you have this thing. This is the cliff notes. Again, take it for what it's worth. I'm summarizing. I'm oversimplifying, going back to that deep knowledge. The hypervisor is basically the underlying piece that allows you to get a little bit deeper. And so because a lot of our systems now are virtualized in data centers and on cloud and everything else, learning how to attack hypervisor and getting down lower in the stack is more important. So anyway, that's why Chipsack is on your CD. By the way, the purpose for me up here for 101 in my mind is to throw nuggets of information into your brains that you may not have thought of or heard of that give you a starting point to start going down the rabbit hole on your own. I have stuff to start tomorrow. So I'm going to give you all the quick basics that are a pet peeve of mine. Now I was thinking about taking this out of the talk this year because I put these in my 101 talk last year. The reason I left them in is I still to this day am having interactions with people. I go to a lot of security conferences and I try and talk with people in some of the weird ass solutions that I come up with things or the things that I think about people are lacking even though they may be a genius or brilliant in a particular area. So these are kind of like tick pet peeve of mine that if you consider yourself a computer person or a hacker I think you should know these things. It's really fundamental stuff. Here we go. And there's my fry. How am I doing on time by the way? I have no idea. Anyone? 328 what are we supposed to go to for? We're going nice. So I talked earlier. Binary everybody hold up your right hand. We're going to count together in binary. If you don't know how to count in binary I'm going to cry because you're at DEF CON. One, two, three, four. Okay. You've all flipped me off at DEF CON. Literally if you can't do a binary count on your fingers go home and learn how to do that. If you can't do it and do 0000 to 1111 and write it out in the series and I mean quickly like then go home and learn how to do that. You need to do that. Especially if you're going to do reversing or you're going to do certain types of root kiss or hacking it's going to help you. Like I said for binary math same thing. And I talk with people who are way above my level on a lot of subjects who can't do simple things. It's amazing. Same thing with hex. How many of you have a general understanding of why we use hex? Tell the truth. Don't lie.  Tell the truth. Okay. So a lot more than I thought. Basically for the few that raise their hands it boils down to the fact that we don't want to waste space in the memory that we have and ultimately our systems are a discussion. If you don't those of you that were embarrassed and shy and didn't want to admit that you don't know fundamentally why do we use a hex representation now go look it up so that next time you don't lie. So interesting side tangent what would be the largest digit in Bart Simpson's phone number? I've asked this before. Who knows? What's the largest digit possible in Bart Simpson's phone number? Why? How many fingers does Simpson characters have? So what do they count in? October. October, they say, right? What number base do you think a pirate would count in? Heximal. Radius 6. Why? Five fingers and a hook. Right? So we actually created a thing called the pirate radix because you know what the term radix means it's just referring to the number base. Which is also called heximal not hexadecimal. But anyway, that's nerd speak for later. Things I think you should know about, there's a list for you. If you don't at least know what these things are, I would suggest you look them up. Especially if you're going to come and have a conversation here with people at DEF CON. And by the way I totally encourage you to approach the speakers at DEF CON.  Thank you. And I don't care who you are because everybody started somewhere and built themselves up. And we have too many people in this community now who are becoming InfoSec rock stars that think they are too cool for school to talk to people. And that's got to stop. Because we need to band together. We got enough problems with people trying to cram back doors into our crypto systems and all kinds of other discussions and fighting are too elite to talk to everyone else. It's really going to destroy the community and I really love the hacker committee. I donate tons of my own time and money to make DEF CON happen every year. So another group of the things that I think that we should talk about or you should at least know about. By the way, going back to my discussion on tinkering. If you do not know how to set up a VM and experiment with stuff that would otherwise fail for doing in the real world, learn. It's not a matter of finance because there are a number of free solutions. VM where player is free. People are now giving out VMs of stuff. You can also get virtual box and there's all kinds of visual, there's all kinds of stuff out there that allows you to set up a system and attack it. To hack it. To throw metasploited things. To try and fuzz things. And I'm trying to get the tinkers back into the community. And one of the ways I'm going to jail these days is through virtualization. Which also goes back to the hypervisor discussion. Any comments on the list so far? Come on, you guys are smart. Can I go back one? Right there? So I don't generally ever give my slides out. This is also the first time that I've allowed my 101 to be recorded. I usually don't let my talks get recorded because I think they go stale. It's not enjoyable at the same time and I know that I hate when I go find a talk and watch it and then realize it's like six years old and I wasted my time. That's why I generally don't like my stuff to be recorded. But I will make these slides available on the Lost Boy website after DEF CON. I didn't do it before I left, but if you don't get notes, they'll be available. And if I forget to do that, send me e-mail. You said you put those slides up and I'll put them up. We good here? Can I make a comment about tinkering as far as hardware is concerned? The bottom one. How many of you know what Digi-Key is? How many of you know about the sad demise of Radio Shack? Breaks my heart. How many of you remember Forrest Mem's Green Book from Radio Shack that was printed on graph paper that was handwritten? How many of you that book changed your life as a kid? So, it hurt my soul when Radio Shack first of all turned into a place that only sold cell phones. Why? Because that was the place you went to buy components, electrical components to experiment with stuff. So these days we have some giant Walmart-esque parts suppliers and that's all we have left. Digi-Key is one of them. I would suggest, even if you have no interest in hardware, just as a passing fancy to keep these companies and request their catalogs and I say this about Digi-Key because those of you who have it know that it's comically large. It is larger than most phone books and I will tell you what it's good for. Even if you don't have any interest in using it, it's great for when you're drilling through things and you need something underneath. But go and you know what?  I can't repeat myself. I have to do stuff that's Google proof. I have to do stuff that's fun and interesting for freaking brilliant people like you guys and I have to do it so that it's solvable within a finite amount of time. It's a very difficult problem space but the way I do that is every year I try and find new things that I had no interest in and said I'm just going to learn a little bit about this. Like getting a subscription to a magazine and no hardware background at all. It's free. Go get the Digi-Key catalog and put it in your bathroom and we're taking a dump thumb through the Digi-Key catalog. You'll learn about some crazy stuff that's out there. Yeah, comment, yell it loud. Yeah, excellent. So this goes a little deeper into the secret that how many of you know who Lady Aida is? Lady Aida. So she puts out a list of places you can get free samples from.  They will even pay shipping. They'll often time put a T-shirt in there with it too and you can get all kinds of free crap for real. A tinkering thing especially if you're a student and you don't have the money to do this stuff get on some of these lists and figure out and by the way it's not even just parts anymore there's people that make enclosures, plastic enclosures for things I have scripts that I run where I get free stuff every so often I figured out what the window of abuse is for certain places. So and don't get greedy usually five is about the max of anything you can request like if you go to Maximum and request one of their chips like but you'll learn that kind of stuff but it's kind of fun to get free stuff that you don't pay for including the shipping it's really easy to do and the reason I brought Lady Aida but she keeps a list of that stuff so you can look up hers. Okay we need to continue moving along how we doing you guys bored tell the truth am I talking too fast you have comments this guy crazy what louder is this better okay so here's another fun way of doing an exercise regardless of what field you're in pick an illegal activity and try and find a legal way of doing that activity you will be amazed at the stuff you will learn I'm not kidding so how many of you know what this Simon gift card is you've seen these how many of you read Brian Krebs book by the way Spam nation I think was his one that just came out right where he talks about the Russian hackers and everything else so Krebs in that book talks about something that a lot of us know about if you're trying to procure infrastructure or things and not have it traced back to you and by the way I'm not going to have the philosophical debate with you guys in here about why I should have the right to privacy if you're at this conference and don't believe that you have a right to privacy and if I hear the argument I'm not doing anything illegal I have nothing to hide well when you have sex with your wife that's not illegal do you want somebody watching you do that do you want somebody watching you take a dump in the bathroom it has to stop somewhere so I'm not going to have the argument with you that I should have to justify to you why I should be able to have privacy so the discussion we're going to have right here is a little bit of some of the stuff that I've done in just the past year in trying to find legal ways and there's a reason that I'm doing this if you want to hear more about it come talk to me in the room I tried to find legal ways of doing illegal activities and it's a really interesting study and so I found there are certain magical gift cards that you can get at certain places that are the type that you can go online and register an address for when you purchase them the reason that's interesting and necessary is if you're going to buy things online with a credit card there are many systems in place that check address of the registration of a card and many just generic gift cards that you buy will get flagged by MaxMind and a lot of those systems and get dumped and you can't use them to buy things for certain things like VPN access or VMs you can't use them but certain ones you can like the Simon gift cards I'm going to use the hell out of it until they go away because I'm sure they eventually will but what these allow is you buy that card with cash and then you go online and you register an address for that card and that address could be anything you want it can be a completely fabricated address I will tell you a little hint though certain sites will actually look at the geolocation of the IP that you come from when you do it and it needs to match what the card is you just can find a VPN point in the particular state or wherever that matches with what you registered for the card it's easy to do some of the fun I found with this is can you all see that it's too small how many of you see the charge on December 9th, 2014 yeah that was me playing with the illegal stuff and somebody tried to charge a million dollars to that card and that's funny the part I thought was the most funny about it was that if you look it's listed as a recurring installment so I was like wait a second these guys are completely off their rocker until they did it again and again so if you look I have two charges on 12.9 for restricted country and see this is the stuff you learn when you study this kind of stuff and one is a recurring installment and three charges for a million dollars to that credit card which had like 200 dollars actually shows no that one had 100 if you look at the value load on that so anyway I just thought that was fun you guys might find that fun and interesting so become a hacker don't get caught up in the stupid media definition of what a hacker is and by the way is there anyone in the room that's pressed confess your sins honestly anyone in this room right now how many of you have a yellow badge so for those who are new to DEF CON we have very special press policies for a particular reason we try to be hacker and anonymity friendly and so anyone you see with a big freaking yellow disc on around their neck is pressed and by the way if you get a chance ask one of them to turn it around if you've seen the back of it so the back of the press badge this year is a guy like this I said it I wasn't in here so I didn't hear but they usually do take this for what it's worth the press is not your friend okay they really aren't I've seen a lot of friends get burned I've been burned there are very few people in the media that I trust there are a lot of them that are coming here because they want to get a shock piece they want to get a sound blurb they want to get a bite that they can throw up on a web page or put something on the news they're coming to get me because fear sells so be careful what you say to anyone that's in the press and just be aware of the fact that you will be misquoted stuff and so that's the end of my rant for that but anyway take it for what it's worth what do you guys think about that think full crap tell us through so that's the end of my little notes there I am happy to answer questions about any and everything that you guys have for however much time we have left can you use the mic so people can hear do you stick a hubcap on us this year so for those of you new to DEF CON we do a tick talk cycle where we do an electronic badge every other year when Joe Granth was doing the original electronic badge designs we were one of the first conferences doing electronic badges there are a few others now every flippin hacker conference you go to on the face of the planet as an electronic badge it's become passe at this point take it for what it's worth I am a hardware guy and I love some of the badges from some of the other conferences but we always try and do something new and different and fun and so this is a non-electronic year and I was trying to come up with something interesting and it was actually my wife's idea to do the record not that I'm trying to throw the hate at her but this is actually not the largest badge we've ever had she's a lot smarter than he is yes she is my wife is way smarter than I am so these are I had to go seven inch I couldn't do a five inch because nobody makes records anymore it took a lot of work to find someone who could handle and by the way and I'll tell you guys here because I'm going to talk more in detail about the badges so I'm going to talk more in detail tomorrow about the badges but I will tell you that we printed roughly half as many LP records as Taylor Swift has put out in her entire career I will also tell you that the vinyl that's in these when they all came here weighed over two tons that's how many people are going to be at DEF CON this year any other questions oh oh I almost forgot thank you for reminding me so if those of you that follow me on Twitter will know that I recently was got a tweet back from William Shatner any William Shatner fans I'm a fan can you fake it if you're not because it makes me feel better any Star Trek fans in the audience okay so I'm going to stick with our own policy I'm going to ask permission for something I would like to take a selfie with all of you in the background per request of William Shatner doing the Spock sign to live long and prosper now what I will say is if you would not do not want your face in this for whatever and keep in mind the resolutions will be crap anyway please cover your face but I'm giving you enough warning because I do respect our press policy so I'm going to hold my phone up if you could all do the Spock thing and then I'm going to send that to William Shatner so can you hold that it has to be a selfie alright you guys ready three two one we'll do one more three two one by the way if anybody wants that I'll put it thank you thank you and consequently I think that it's actually for charity that he's doing that for and if anybody wants a copy that picture I'll put it up on the lostboy.net website as well so I hope you guys have a great con we put a lot of work into this by the way if you have a bad experience or something is wrong we want to hear about it we do try and fix it we do care everybody that's here is volunteer I'm volunteer I don't get paid to do this I spend a lot of my own personal money doing the crazy stuff that I do so please enjoy yourself it's for you we're trying to help build the community comment or question just one question man who is the speaker you said who is talking I think is how you pronounce his last name he's Russian thank you and he's brilliant other questions comments boring waste of time tell the truth what do you want to hear in a 101 talk 3 minutes anything you would not want to hear next year tomorrow is where all the technical stuff starts no nothing else you want to yell at me did I waste your time I'm asking a real question and I'm serious about that when I ask that so I'll give you a little teaser for tomorrow I'm going to explain in detail this year's uber badge if you win first place in a competition at DEF CON you receive a black slash uber badge it is free entrance to DEF CON for the rest of your life but more than that it's status in the community it's resume building I know people that will hire you on the spot if you have a DEF CON black badge this year there are six radio active isotopes on this badge I'm going to talk about what those are and how these came to be built and so that's tomorrow's talk


This is Think Tech Hawaii. Community matters here. Aloha. I'm your host, Sharon Thomas Yarbrough. Welcome and thank you for joining Sister Power. Our topic for this episode is transgender voices from a native Hawaiian and transgender veteran. Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender, identity, gender expression or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Gender identity refers to a person, internal sense of being male, female or something else. Gender expression refers to a way a person communicates. Gender identity to others through behavior, clothing, hairstyles, voice or body characteristics. Transgender is sometimes used as shorthand for transgender. While transgender people are talked about in popular culture, academia and science are constantly changing particularly as individuals awareness, knowledge and openness about transgender people and their experiences grow. Welcome to Sister Power. Welcome Valerie and Hina. How are you? Aloha. Aloha to you. Aloha. Aloha to you. Valerie and Hina, tell us a little bit about yourselves. Tell the viewers about your childhood. I was born in Southeast Texas November 1962. So I grew up in Southeast Texas back in the 60s and 70s and very large area was very discriminatory. One of the largest chapters of the KKK was less than two miles from my home. So lived with that. My father was a policeman. So I am a homicide detective and he used to bring home some of his paperwork and case loads and I got to see a lot of the pictures and I kind of learned at an early stage that in order for me to survive, I keep my feelings and my thoughts to myself. Hina, what about you? Tell me your story. I am a product of Hawaii in the 1970s and at age 45 now I look back and think upon my childhood here in the islands. I wasn't necessarily someone who wanted to openly embrace what I knew from a young age in terms of my, not only my sexuality but my gender expression. But what is most striking about thinking back to that time is that Hawaii was a very, very different place. Hawaii was a place where everyone greeted each other. Everyone invited you over to their house. You could be walking by on the road and somebody will say come in and come eat. How are you? Aloha, what are you doing? We never had to lock our doors and we were always immersed in a sense of large community and togetherness was something that was always the underpinning in whatever we did. Our community has changed and so as a transgender woman living now here still in my home, it's a very different place for me. Hawaii sounds like southern hospitality and when I was growing up in Virginia, this is how we lived with our doors open, our neighbors embraced us with food and I love Hawaii. I just love the spirit of Aloha here. Well, tell us, what age did you know you were a transgender? I knew by the time I was seven years old that I was different but back in the 68, 69, 70, there was no term for this and recently after I retired from the Navy, I had done some researching and that's when I, around 2007, discovered it, oh, transgender, that is what this is. This is what it meant and then from there I started doing more research online. I met my therapist and we did a couple of, actually one consultation and then she put me in contact with the doctor in January of 2010, that's when I started my transition. That's a long time, age seven to- Yes, well, the era that I grew up in, the location I grew up in, down in southeast Texas, that was, that would get you killed. Even in the military when I joined in 84, 85, some of the places I was stationed at was the same way and society wasn't ready for it and the community I was in in the Navy on board of the U.S. submarines really wasn't the place to do it. Okay. From the Island perspective, it's a little different. I knew at that same early age, maybe somewhere around five or six, I knew that I wanted to be beautiful like my mother. I knew that I wanted to wear beautiful things like she did and that I wanted to, I just wanted to be my mother's daughter, but that was never going to be something that I was going to be able to say because children at that time would often make fun and of course my mannerisms and my everything from A through Z, the way I walk, the way I talk was just slightly different and as someone who was teased and put down for those things, it was the instinctual thing to do is just go back into myself and not try to draw too much attention but then that's the natural, you know, that was the natural me and sometimes I would go to my mother and tell her, you know, I'm bothered by the fact that kids tease me and she then tell me, well, why do you do this? Why do you walk that? Why do you talk like this? And it was only until later on that I allowed myself to just face my reality and say, okay, maybe this isn't something that I was meant to suppress. I should simply embrace it and at the age, maybe between 17 and 18, I found my first boyfriend. I had yet to transition and I, coming from Kamehameha schools, we were always close with our classmates. So I put all the boys that, you know, we played sports together. We went to school together, sat them all down and made them wait for at least a good half an hour while I hand in hard and finally found the courage and the strength to say I'm seeing somebody I like somebody. It's not a girl. And their response was, so finally you admit it. We always knew and we're glad that you are now embracing it. We still love you. You better make sure that he treats you well. Otherwise, we'll kick his happy self around and we'll take care of that. And that was the end of it. And, you know, it wasn't that difficult a thing because that's, we were Hawaiian first to be Mahu or to be gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or anything under that Western umbrella of being is secondary. It's it's rather irrelevant. We're Hawaiian first. I love that. We need a t-shirt on that. We're Hawaiian first. Lovely.  What is the message? My message is one rooted here to Hawaii as a native Hawaiian, as a Polynesian, as a Pacific Islander, I come from an immediate and a larger culture that has a clear understanding of sometimes gender neutrality, sometimes gender expression from one side of the spectrum to the other and a whole lot of space in between. I come from a culture and a society that when you actually look at our language and our oral accounts of history, number one, you don't find negative references to people who are Mahu. You do not find negative references to iconic relationships. And same sex oriented relationships and our very basic linguistic understanding is that the pronoun he, she, and it are all one word. Depending on what island you come from, it's Oya here in Hawaii and in other islands, it's Goya, but it's the same word. So he, she and it are all gender neutral. What does your message mean? Well, my culture and society, like I said, I come from down pretty much the deep south and everything was there. We pressed for a period of time. Was it until I had joined the military and started my traveling and when I was stationed in Northern California, I started to see more openness and awareness. And then when I came here right after Hurricane Iniki, that's when I seen a lot of the difference what he and we're just talking about, the culture, the openness, the acceptance as like when I came out to my fellow employees at the shipyard, a lot of them pulled me off to the side and told me not to worry. They're happy for me. And if I ever have any problems with anybody, any sailor or anybody employee, your contractor working in the shipyard to let them know, and they would take care of it, so that's something I would never have experienced in the south. So and that's changing as the years progress and everything. Our society is becoming more open. It's a lot of times now right now in some places. Yesterday, we had all these bathroom bills and stuff, legislation going around. But people themselves, even back home in Texas, are very accepting and very supportive. Can we just all get along? Exactly. Just look at Hurricane Harvey. Yes. I mean, those groups came together as all these different groups and demographics together to take care of their brothers or sisters and their neighbors, regardless of who you are, what you are or anything else.  You needed help and they offered the assistance. Well, we have a lot to talk about.  So we want to talk about how should we best explain to our children who transgender people are? Keep it here. We'll be right back. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. I just walked by and I said, what's happening, guys? They told me they were making music. Welcome back to Sister Power and our episode today is transgender voices. And before we went on break, we were talking about the children are our future. How should we best explain to our children who transgender people are? Tina, you want to take that one? Explaining to my children that I taught formally at the Hawaiian focused charter school, I spent 13 years at a K through 12 charter school. And we never really focused too much on the topic of transgender because from a cultural perspective, that's that secondary and almost irrelevant. We focused on the cultural values of to love, honor and respect one another. Cocoa, kukoku, amai to help others and be helped. Laulima, many hands working together. And mahaluikome alawa'a, be thankful for what we have. Those are some of the basic understandings that are part and parcel of the life of Kanaka or the life of being Hawaiian. And when we are Hawaiian and we observe those things, we learn to orient ourselves from the perspective of how we identify is not based on what's between our legs. And we do not identify based on what kind of person we want in our lives to be a relationship, whether it be a nominal touch and go relationship or a committed relationship. We identify as, for example, myself, Inale Moana, I am child of so and so and so and so, grandchild of so and so. I come from this land and I we articulate the name of the land that we come from, the valley or the part of the island that we are associated with. We identify as, again, Kanaka first. So that places a much different emphasis on what's important. And then when we are actually looking at people for their role in society, we're looking at one another for our skill, our talent, our contribution to not only ourselves, our personal name, but more importantly than ourselves, we're assessed and analyzed by a contribution to our family and to our community. So that is the perspective on Kanaka and sexuality is merely that. It's sexuality, it has far more room to be fluid and to be embracing of whatever it is that the individual feels calls to them. Well, I have a specific question for you, Valerie. That was deep. It was definitely deep. You definitely covered that, Hina. In 2011, Obama, into the militaries, don't ask, don't tell. Yes, he did.  In 2017, Trump announces transgender ban for the military. How does it affect troops and veterans? One of the way it affects the veterans is our benefits package, which is tied into our service. Depending on how many years, if we retire, how many years of service or whatever, depending on what we were discharged or discharge type and everything else, we all have certain benefits. A lot of these stuff that has changed what President Trump is trying to change is the insurance protection, insurance coverage for the veterans. That's pretty much where the big portion of it's going to fit. The other portion that we're going to have issues with is getting our records and our documentations changed to match our legal names. Oh. I have to submit a request to change the name of my DD 214, which is my discharge papers. And it has to go through a year-long review process. And in the Navy, in the last several years, only three or four people have been allowed to change the name of their DD 214s. Only a few people? Only a few. And we have a picture. Yes. It's very interesting. Tell us about this picture that we're going to see of your colleagues. Okay, this picture right here was taken in 1998 on board a U.S. submarine I was attached to. We were on deployment in the Western Pacific. We had been on station for approximately 60 days. I had just got finished conducting training, which as you can tell by the weapons everywhere, small arms training, and that's my division. And you are the one holding the big gun? Yes, I am the one with the full beard, the glasses, the great big diver's watch, and holding up the M60 machine gun. M60 machine gun. Okay. Don't mess it up. Oh, I can see that right now. It's very interesting. What has been the most wonderful thing to happen to you because you are transgender? I think one of the things that is up there was when I was coming back from Thailand in 2013, we had one of the old submarines I was attached to back in the late 80s, early 90s, was having a reunion in Burminton, Washington. And I was asked by several of my friends to come to the reunion. Only a few of them knew that I had transitioned. And then a couple of guys who were in charge of it, you better show up. You're here on the mainland getting ready.  You better show up. So I went, and I was amazed at the reception that I had got from my old shipmates. People I served with back in the 88 through 92 at their reception. And again in 2015, 16. 2016, same group, another reunion. This one was even bigger. And again, I was told by multiple people that I didn't even serve with who were there before I got there and after.  I was amazed. I'm not talking people in their 60s and 70s. A lot of love there. Yes. How about you? I think that, well, to contribute to what she just said, I think that this acceptance can come to us in its myriad of forms and diverse avenues from the people that will respect us because we contributed something to the larger whole. I don't think that she would have been on high demand if they felt that she wasn't a part of the team. But that's what happens when you're a part of the team. It's no different from being a Polynesian, a Pacific Islander. You don't necessarily have to articulate being a part of the team. You articulate as being Kanaka. You articulate as being an Islander. And an Islander person, much like someone who's in the military, identifies because everyone has their job. Everyone has their duty. You fulfill your duty to the best of your ability. You strive to exceed the capacity that you set for yourself this time, the next time, and the next time. And you keep pushing and you keep doing better in my craft as someone who teaches hula. I teach in incarceration now to men in a lava correctional facility and the men in O'ahu Community Correctional Center and soon to be Federal Detention Center. The reason why I can go into a facility to teach men is because I'm not here trying to focus on my sex, my sexuality, my gender expression. I'm here to focus on the betterment and the empowerment of those inmates whom I come into contact with. It was something that I had to establish clearly with people who perhaps made a comment or made reference to something that insinuated being effeminate but in a negative way. I simply had to say, I don't know what you think I'm all about. I don't know what you think I'm here representing. But let me inform you that I'm here to do a job. I'm not here trying to be glamour queen and trying to gain attention. If I gain attention in here, it's because of the work that I do in here and the quality of what I do. And it is that which I will be scrutinized on. I like that. So what kinds of discrimination do transgender people face? Housing, employment, any and all types of discrimination we face. You know, Hawaii is one of the first states to provide protections against discrimination in the job and in home. That's it. Medical, police, everything. It's across the board with people but we face discrimination. It's not here. It's just not wanting it. It all depends on the state. Some states have a lot of protection against discrimination against transgender people. Some states have none. Some states right now are passing laws to allow discrimination against transgender community. Do you feel like we're moving backwards instead of forward? I would agree. Here in Hawaii, the history of Hawaii for viewers out there who may be current with not only the political status of Native Hawaiians but the political status of the islands and the United States of America and its responsibility for the illegal annexation of Hawaii. So when I hear about the American president, Donald Trump, I can't identify with him as my president because I'm Hawaiian first. And if someone were to ask me if I'm an American, I'm going to say no, I am required to hold an American passport. My mainland is Hawaii. My mainland is not America. In fact, America is not even the majority of current Americans' mainland. Majority of Americans are immigrants from someplace else. The Native Americans, the Native Indians are those who are native to that land. But that translates into, back to the question of discriminatory practices against transgender people. The more we subscribe to attitudes and beliefs, who's right and who's wrong, that are contradictory to more of a natural way of being. And I view it, not everybody may agree, but I view it as the more we as Native people become American, Americanized, colonized, the more we subscribe to this kind of approach to being, the more we suffer. Because then we have allowed, nobody else forces, we allow ourselves to do it. So what it really requires is for us to be critical thinkers and to analyze exactly who we are and what we do and why. And that's knowing our self-worth. Exactly. That's what it's all about, knowing yourself. Exactly. One important question I would like to ask the both of you, what is the one thing you want the world to know about you? Judge me by who I am and what I do. Not who you think I am. Couldn't have said it any better. I'm telling you, I feel the same way. You know, when I sit here and we're interacting with each other, a lot of the discrimination is exactly what my people had to — well, we're still dealing with it right now with the discrimination, but housing and employment, it just sounds so similar. And when are we going to get past all of this? What do you think needs to happen? That's a big one. We can't do it overnight. We know that, but we can take baby steps. Well, look, we saw the United States of America had the first black president assume control of leadership. But depending on who you talk to, the change that he promised, the change that he represented indeed came with him, but there was a whole lot of people out there who did not want change in that way, in that form, under that name. We await to see a first woman elected as the president of the United States. Everybody has their opinion on who would and who wouldn't be an appropriate woman leader. Imagine the potential for one of the most powerful nations in the world to be governed and led by a different perspective, perhaps one that might actually have some semblance of what it means to truly and sincerely care about life itself. Women, biological women have the power to give birth and therefore I await the day that a biological woman ascends to leadership. The current American leadership right now has got to be the epitome of all of the worst elements of American culture that we have yet to see. And again, I don't identify as American, but as someone who watches and understands the role of America in the world, it would behoove every one of us to consider what are the implications. I always tell people, no matter what the American President Trump does within the confines of the United States, it's more important what he does outside of the United States. And right now Hawaii is poised to have to have preparedness training because why? Because somebody's mouth goes like this. It's like I'm back in school in the 60s. Yes. Well, you know, I feel like we're in the 50s. Or we have to, you know, the drills, get under the desk, get under behind the wall and stuff like that. And why are we even in this predicament? It's because of the leadership. Now, every leader is different. I believe that those in, you know, the American public who supported this President, they did so because he represented this great change and he represented them. So that, you know, that's scary. It is scary. Because that represents a view that really, to be transgender, there's no place for us in that world. Yes. Well, unfortunately, we have to close Zoom. And we will have a part two. That's for sure. But in 10 seconds or less each, what is the one thing? Well, I wouldn't ask you this. Who do you consider your greatest mentor and why? Can we do that in 30 seconds or less? My greatest mentor, wow, is several. I would say Janet Mock, Jennifer Finley-Bowlin, an author. And, you know, herself. Watching your movie and everything that you are trying to do is, to me, it just inspires me to want to help others. Mahalo. Mahalo. I always give credit to my grandparents who raised me. My Chinese grandparents, both of them, Edith and Henry. My Hawaiian grandparents, Mona and John. But today I'm going to give a shout out to my mother and father. My mother, George Jett, and my father, Henry. I'm going to emphasize my father, Henry. He taught me unconditional acceptance. My virtue of what he did. So, he told me whatever it is I wanted to do in my lifetime, as long as I took care of my grandmother and I completed school, he'd be completely fine with whatever my life brought me. I love it. And with that said, thank you so much for spending your time with Sister Power. Stay tuned for part two. Part two? Here we go. Thank you for...


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspy's casebreaks.com coming at you with 2022 Tops Gold Label Baseball. 16 box, pick your team number six. This is the last case we have in the store at the moment. I'm not sure if we have any more on the way, but for now, that's that. So thanks everyone for helping up Phillip all these breaks. You have a little rooftop next to your name that means you won that team in the filler. James you also ended up with last spot Mojo with the Marlins. Got the last spot before I pulled the remaining teams for that filler. I think personal breaks may have a few more individual boxes left if you really want to get into some more gold labels. And that's on Instagram, Instagram Live at Jaspy's breaks. Thanks everybody for the fill and good luck. Sorry Eric, no trades in a pick your team today. All right, we're looking for one frame per box. One gold frame a box. There's a relic in the case somewhere. That's the auto, and the relic is here already. All right, so we're going to get the one per case relic early. Pop that corner open right there, there you go. All right, good luck. Got a blue Willie Mays, a blue Cody Bellinger. Still Dodger's edition here. That's to 150, that'll be for Eric. And to 50, that's Willie Mays for my rivals, the giant Tosetta with that one. All right, the relic behind upside down, Mark McGuire is Jeff Bagwell, one out of five. A train whistle, nice. Piece of his lumber there, game use memorabilia. Jeff Bagwell, Astros, part of the killer bees. Ed P with Houston, Ed. All aboard the Big Hen Express, whoo-hoo. Nice start, autograph. Auto is a blue J, an auto, auto. Auto Lopez, and that is for Toronto that's gonna be for Henry, onwards. Got a blue Hank Aaron, got another Cody Bellinger blue. Got a Bobby Whit Jr. base. Bobby Whit Jr., it's gonna go to Kevin Hall on the Royals. I'll randomize the Royals in the filler. And the Cody Bellinger goes to Eric. That's to 150, and the Hank Aaron, 73 out of 99 is gonna go to Stephen Carney, Atlanta. Your autograph is gonna be for the Cardinals, Juan Yepes. Rookie Auto for the Redbirds, that is for Eric Houston. Cardinals, on the board, Eric, there you go. I'll take it. You can put it on the board. A Tatease Jr. blue, first Wander Franco, and a Spencer Torkelson. Kevin has the Tigers, Jake got the Rays, and the blue Tatease Jr. is to 150, that will be for Gary and the Friars. No, I did not, it's a wreck star, I was probably in the midst of Cal Raleigh, in the midst of watching UCLA lose. Wait, so what was your question? Oh, who my top five announcers are or were? That's Rob and the Meredith. That's a good question, let's think about that. Vince Scully probably sits on top. Vince Scully, Chick Hearn, Vince Scully of the Los Angeles Dodgers, Brooklyn and Los Angeles Dodgers, and then Chick Hearn who did the Lakers broadcast for a long time, and coin phrases such as, coin phrases such as slam dunk. Vince Scully was great because he often let the crowd tell the story, so if there's like a big home run or something like that, he'll sometimes not say anything, and just let the crowd just cheer on for like, I don't know, 30 seconds or something like that. There's a lot of power in sort of, in silence. So Eric, the tiers are all in these tiny, tiny print right there that circles the team logo. It's sort of hard to tell at a quick glance. There's a red Willy Mays to 50, but I think all the parallels have different numbering based on the tier. So let me pull that list up really quick. So class two, so out of 50 is class two. A red out of 25 would be class three. This Julio Rodriguez I think is class three. It's sort of hard to see, but that's a class three, and that'll be for Rob and the Mariners. Garrett Cole, purple to 99. Purple to 99 is class one. And that's a class three, Boba Shet 25. So that's for Toronto, that'll be for Henry. The announcer questions are hard questions because I feel like a lot of people are gonna default to listening to who they grew up with. And there is TJ Friedel for the red legs. And that will be for John. I guess it's like, I'm trying to think of like, who are some like national announcers? Cause like everyone's been told like, for example, how great, you know, Vince Scully is, but I'll bet most people haven't heard too much of Vince Scully announcing. He's been the exclusive Dodgers announcer for so long, unless you're of a certain age. And you remember Vince Scully doing like football for NBC in the early 80s and some golf too. When he did a lot more work. All right, first quarter of the case done. Second, oh, you know what, Eric? I'm gonna drop the checklist in the chat for you and everybody else. So you can see, if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see the class one, two and three, the class one, two and three parallels on what they're numbered to. Just want to follow along. But yeah, I'm trying to think of like national broadcasters. Yeah, I do like the, what is it? Is it Jim Nantz and Tony Romo? I like Jim Nantz and Tony Romo. I like Kevin Harlan, who just did the use, I think it was Kevin Harlan that did this UCLA game. Mike Green for basketball is pretty good. He's the guy that goes, bang! So he's pretty good. There's a Brandon Marsh, purple to 99. And these are parallels, so I'm pretty sure the blackboarder are considered non-numbered parallels. I don't mind Joe Buck doing football, but I dislike Joe Buck doing basketball or doing a baseball. Here's an O'Neill Cruz Rookie Auto, nice! That goes to Darren and the Pirates, got the Pirates straight up. I don't know for the socks who says you can put it on the board. Dennis Eggersley is a good color commentator for the red socks. He's come up, yeah, I think he came up with the phrase walk-off, I want to say. I like the Yankees radio announcers. What was that one guy, that one guy in Susan? It is high, it is fall, it is out of here. Is that Michael K? Is that Michael K? I think you mentioned that earlier. Like a good glaver, Torres is there! Oh, is it John Sterling, oh. Wait, Susan's not there anymore? It's no fun. 52 out of 75. Garrett Cole speaking of the Yankees, that's Richard. And then there's Frank Thomas to 150. Trust me, she'll like it too. And the next one is Shane Baz, the Baz. Oh, Susan's there, but it's John Sterling's time. Tampa Bay Rays, that'll be for Jake. What's great is, oh, and Mike's saying it was Ken Harrelson for the white socks with that phrase, Rex. Oh, one of them's gone. I would enjoy listening to your T-Mobile customer. You can get MLB.tv for free. And I think included in that is the radio package as well. So sometimes when I'm out for, during the summer when I'm not for a walk or running or at the driving range or whatever, you know, I'll listen to other games and sometimes be the Yankees and to be that team and that'd be a pretty fun one to listen to. Bobby Whit Jr. for the Royals, that's gonna go to Kevin. There's a Red Hank Aaron to 75. A blue Edward Cabrera to 99. Mike's saying as a Tigers fan, was a big fan of Ernie Harwell. Andre Jackson reveals a brave Matt Olson, 13 out of 75. Nice. That goes to Stephen Carney and the Atlanta Braves. Brent Musbur. That's another good one. What was that, Brent Musburger had like a shtick where he would like, shtick would be like the cameraman would point to like an attractive lady in the crowd and he, but then there was one where he, there was like one where he was like just really thirsting after one of these girls. It was like a national broadcast too. I think it was like a bowl game. It was college football. And I forget who's girlfriend. It was someone's gonna tell me in the chat. I know it. They're gonna know. Forget who the quarterback was. I forget the name of the girl too. But Brent Musburger was like sort of, sort of, not kind of being, I bet it's, it's like an in a Brent Musburger way. So it wasn't gross, but it was just sort of like a letcherous grandpa. And he was just like, wow. He was just impressed. Say, oh, the quarterbacks get all the good ones. And just making comments like that was really pretty funny. That's right. It was AJ McCarron's girlfriend, Catherine Webb, I think. Is it Catherine? I think they ended up getting married. Bobby Wood, Jr., the black parallel going to Kevin and the Royals. Now there you go, Catherine Webb. Yeah. All right. The autograph behind Jose Ramirez is bang. It's Alfonso Rivas, 61 out of 75. Cubbies, James and the Cubs. There you go, Mike's got it married since 2014. Still married? All right, we were halfway through this break. AJ McCarron might be a, might still be a backup somewhere. Surprise known as mentioned Costas and Michaels. That's true. Al Michaels and his prime was pretty good. Costas, I kind of like more in studio rather than like a, as a studio analyst or as like a hosting a sports, hosting like a magazine show is what they call them. But I like them there less in the play by play scenario. There's Trey Turner to 150. Jake Myers to 99. So different class levels. Oh, AJ McCarron's not a backup but he's the quarterback for the St. Louis battle Hawks of the of the XFL. Jake Myers goes to Ed Dodgers, Trey Turner goes to Eric and the water Franco base goes to Jake. Behind CJ Abrams is bang. Cabrion Hayes got the O'Neill cruise earlier, Darren. Now add a Kibriana Hayes to that one. Card Sharks naming a Jim Fox, Bob Miller. Bob Miller is doing, no, I'm thinking of John Miller, that John Miller, Joe Morgan, son in at baseball team was pretty good. Way back when, I think John Miller still does TV play by play for the San Francisco Giants, I want to say. What's everyone's favorite sports related theme song? Could be Fox's doodoo doodoo doodoo. Could be CVS's doodoo doodoo. Doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo. Or it could be doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo. Or it could be doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo. Doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo. I think that might be my favorite round ball rock by John Tesh. There's four out of 50 Trey Turner Dodgers and then just up the five freeway or just down the fry freeway from the Dodgers is the Angels Mike Trout. To 150, that'll be four Rob. Bobby Wood Jr. for the Royals. I don't know. I don't know how to get there from here. You probably have to go up to 15 and go across the 10 up to 15 all the way to like Utah maybe. And then go over another interstate to get to Kansas City. All right, next autograph, bang. It's Juan Yepez. It's another one for Eric and the St. Louis Cardinals. Rex misses watching bowling on Sunday after he ends on your kid, bowling. I feel like that's the most midwesterly thing that I've heard Rex say. Sunday, yes, depending on the season, Sundays is always, always baseball, baseball or football and a little bit of golf in the morning. There's Ronald Acuna Jr. 75. Braves, Stephen Carney. Here's Wander Franco for the Rays. It's for Jake. Ronzie Contreras to 75. Purple. Bob Schett to 50 for Toronto.  You should watch John Tesh do like after this stream is over, before you go to bed, just look up John Tesh doing the NBA on NBC theme song and do it live.  You won't be able to get to bed.  All right, the autograph is Greg Deekman.  Yeah, he gets, he gets pretty into it. Some of the, some of the other live performances, he'll actually tell the story of how he came up with that song. Apparently he was on tour, maybe in Europe or something like that. And he got the commission, got the call from NBC to say, hey, we want you to write us the theme song for NBA on NBC. And he said he, back in the day, so he said he called, he called his own, he called his own answering machine and sang the hum the tune into his answering machine so he would remember it. And it pretty much sound like the way I'm singing it now.  Well, the uneducated kids have no idea, Charles. We've got a lot of educated kids around here that know about the Marvin Gaye, Star-Spangled Banner, one of the tops. Rex no longer wants to talk about John Tesh. He's like, let's change the subject. Speaking of music, I heard that Pearl Jam's drummer, Mike Cameron's gonna be replacing Taylor Hawkins. Oh, interesting. And the drummer from Angels and Airways. Bang, Josiah Gray, Rookie Auto, Nationals, that's for James and the Nats. Spot 31. All right, final four boxes. The final four. It's a good time for that. Good time for that. My final four officially busted. I only have Houston left in my final four. Never should have picked Purdue. I feel like Purdue was a boneheaded move here. All right, there is a Wanda Franco on top. His teammate, Vidal Bruhan. And here's the Freddie Freeman blue to 50. That'll be for Eric and the Dodgers. And then there's Jake Smith with the Vidal Bruhan to 75. There's a Julio Rodriguez. Black parallel, that's for Rob and the Mariners. And I think that's, it's a class three. You might have to use a jeweler's loop to take a look at that unless you have sharp eyes. 49, that's 75, Jose, Siri, Ray's edition going to Jake. And another Bobby Whit Jr. for Kevin and the Royals. And we'll never be Royals. And bang, we got Jake McCarthy for John and the Snakes. He's a cold hearted snake looking to his eyes. Uh-oh, he's been telling lies. Not Jake, maybe I can't speak for if Jake's been telling lies or not. The character in question of that song was a snake. That's a pretty good one. The CVS March Madness theme. Hey, what's going on, Delara? What's going on? What's going on?  Remember that, remember that one video with the cat? What was the animated cat? Oh yeah, the NHL on ESPN. That's, I don't know if I could sing that one. That's what we were going to sing. And I'm going to try it. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. That's something like that? Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Something like, something like, is that close? Jake, maybe not. In my head, it sounded close. There's Torkelson for Kevin. There's Clayton. And there's a Jim Abbott. Nice, classic. Jim Abbott for the Angels Rob. Thanks guys. I should see John. I have not seen any of the other John. Do I need to see the other wicks before I see this wick? They look like pretty, they look pretty entertaining. I think they're doing a spin-off movie from the John Wick universe with Hannah de Armas, who is Marilyn Monroe and Blonde, and she was a Bond, a Bond girl. She was in James, the latest James Bond. It's pretty easy on the eyes. Look at that. Couple other pretty good movies. I think she was in the first Knives Out movie as well. One Shining Moment or Good Riddance? Do they do Good Riddance, Time of Your Life, by Green Day after the championship game? I don't remember that. I do remember One Shining Moment. Do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. That's not that song. That's the title screen for Mario Kart. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. So what, 15? I'm losing it, folks. Fernando Teteis Jr. for the Padres, that'll be for Gary. Another one over, let's find an autograph. Where's Wander? You, too, Julio, that autograph better be one of those two guys. There's Julio Rodriguez to 25. I think that's a class three to 25, Rob. Can we find you an autograph, please? Hey, let's see one of these guys. Wander, Bobby Whit Jr., Julio Rodriguez, Buster Posey, red for the Giants, that'll be for Jose, and a Torkelson. And there's a Bryan DeLa Cruz, rookie Otto for the fish, James Laszpat Mojo. I did not know. I don't watch the tonight show. Guessing you, Collard and Tazer, did a bit with a bunch of people singing Super Mario theme. Doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie. Doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie, doobie, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I don't need to look her up Rex, because she was on Mad Men. She was the Buxom Redhead in Mad Men, on Mad Men. She's done some other stuff too since then. I think that was her first main role. Rex acting like nobody saw Mad Men. All right, last box. Good luck. There's Bobby with Junior. There's Louise Robert to 75. Do-bo-do-do-bo-do-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo. Bo-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo. Do-bo-do-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-bo-do-do. All right, Curtis Terry. No Julio, no Wander, no Bobby, but a Curtis Terry for the Twins. That's gonna go to Gary, who won that team in the filler on the board with an autograph. There you go, ladies and gentlemen, that's Picker Team Six in the books. Our last Picker Team for now, but keep your eye out for more on jaspeaskacebrakes.com. Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. Appreciate it. And there's the out of five Bagwell bat relic. Thanks, everybody. I'm Joe for jaspeaskacebrakes.com and I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye-bye.